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Blackacre
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« on: October 30, 2016, 11:45:19 AM »

At the very least, DC should get a rep with full voting rights. I'd also either give them one Senator or have their votes count towards the Senatorial election in either Maryland or Virginia.

I'd also give the delegates from the territories full voting power in the House. Yes the territories have a different relationship with the US government, but the people there are still Americans, so they deserve some degree of participation in our American government.
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Blackacre
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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2016, 04:48:07 PM »

At the very least, DC should get a rep with full voting rights. I'd also either give them one Senator or have their votes count towards the Senatorial election in either Maryland or Virginia.

Why not make them a state like they actually want? All these "compromise" ideas are insulting to the people of DC.

I'd much rather they become a state, hence the "at the very least" bit. Sorry, let me clear things up and state my preferred case scenario:

DC Statehood, becomes known as the state of Hamilton. (HA) State's constitution states that the mayor of DC is by definition the governor of the state of Hamilton. 23rd amendment repealed, and the federally-controlled district becomes just the land where the capitol and white house are.

Puerto Rican Statehood.

US Citizenship to American Samoans

And a Rep with full voting rights to every non-state territory
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Blackacre
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E: -5.35, S: -7.22

« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2016, 05:28:02 PM »

At the very least, DC should get a rep with full voting rights. I'd also either give them one Senator or have their votes count towards the Senatorial election in either Maryland or Virginia.

Why not make them a state like they actually want? All these "compromise" ideas are insulting to the people of DC.

Yes, thank you. As a former resident, it is an insult (though I don't take it personally from that user).

Sorry bud. I clarified in a post above but I'll say again that I'd really like to see the people of DC have statehood.

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...I hate to be that guy, but I unironicaly agree with this statement. The Senate should be proportional to some degree, and Wyoming and Vermont have no business having the same representation in the Senate as states like Texas or California with orders of magnitude more people
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Blackacre
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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2016, 10:15:58 AM »

If DC was intended to be a state, they would have never created in the first place.  There's something to be said for having the federal capitol seperate from the states.
True. But DC was also never meant to be home to over a million people.

It's not.  lol.

658,000. Which, while not 7 digits, is still more than 2 states.
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Blackacre
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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2016, 03:47:32 PM »

I'd like to point something out: when DC was put under federal control, the rationale was that the Founders didn't want one state to have a leg-up against all the others due to holding the nation's capital. It was a good decision at the time, because the states were still very much their own thing and the US was much more decentralised.

Now, however, the federal government is stronger and the states don't consider themselves to be separate nations. The issue of federal power vs states' rights was settled first with Jackson, then with the Civil War, and was put to an end under the New Deal. Now, it doesn't really matter which state has the nation's capital aside from maybe an electoral vote. Whatever wisdom existed in having DC be a federally controlled district no longer applies
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