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Blackacre
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« on: December 01, 2012, 07:59:42 PM »


^ In all seriousness this isn't a bad answer. Fixing how people get their information would be the biggest start.

Cough *MSNBC* Cough Cough Tongue

MSNBC brings facts to the table. Fox pulls things out of their ass.

No, they really don't... MSNBC is attempting to be Fox for liberals, and in the process has become even
ore hackish than them.

Hackishness doesn't equal misinformation and outright lying. Those are what FOX is good at.

I would think that their bias has reached a point where it could be categorized as misinformation.
One, MSNBC is a response to Fox. If Fox was destroyed, MSNBC would suffer a similar fate or become less partisan. Two, they don't make stuff up. They're biased, but they report and comment on facts that are legitimately there, unlike Fox. Three, they don't scream about the rest of the media being biased against them. They talk about the "beltway media" but that's specifically Fox and conservative radio, not CNN or NBC. Four, a lot of people who watch MSNBC also watch the Daily show and/or Colbert Report, shows whose viewers are better informed than anyone else.
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Blackacre
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Posts: 2,172
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Political Matrix
E: -5.35, S: -7.22

« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2012, 05:13:39 PM »


^ In all seriousness this isn't a bad answer. Fixing how people get their information would be the biggest start.

Cough *MSNBC* Cough Cough Tongue

MSNBC brings facts to the table. Fox pulls things out of their ass.

No, they really don't... MSNBC is attempting to be Fox for liberals, and in the process has become even
ore hackish than them.

Hackishness doesn't equal misinformation and outright lying. Those are what FOX is good at.

I would think that their bias has reached a point where it could be categorized as misinformation.
One, MSNBC is a response to Fox. If Fox was destroyed, MSNBC would suffer a similar fate or become less partisan. Two, they don't make stuff up. They're biased, but they report and comment on facts that are legitimately there, unlike Fox. Three, they don't scream about the rest of the media being biased against them. They talk about the "beltway media" but that's specifically Fox and conservative radio, not CNN or NBC. Four, a lot of people who watch MSNBC also watch the Daily show and/or Colbert Report, shows whose viewers are better informed than anyone else.

One, does that in any way negate the fact that they're horrendously biased? Yes, they're trying to be the left-wing FOX, and are just as accurate. Two, there's really no difference. They report on stuff in an extremely biased manner and exempt things that don't fix their narrative, exactly like FOX. Three, so what? Four, I'd be interested in seeing a source for that.
Modern (IE, post-2008) studies taken on misinformation has MSNBC on par with CNN and Public Broadcast (PBS, NPR) in terms of how well-informed its audience is, and thus how factually accurate it is. Fox News is in a league of its own in terms of being made of lies. MSNBC is several times better than Fox when it comes to the facts and not lying. (I'd love to post the study I derived the solution to, but I don't have enough posts. It was taken after the 2010 midterms, the first study taken in the wake of Citizens United) Equating the two is a case of false equivalency for the sake of it.
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Blackacre
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Posts: 2,172
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E: -5.35, S: -7.22

« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2012, 10:39:25 PM »


^ In all seriousness this isn't a bad answer. Fixing how people get their information would be the biggest start.

Cough *MSNBC* Cough Cough Tongue

MSNBC brings facts to the table. Fox pulls things out of their ass.

No, they really don't... MSNBC is attempting to be Fox for liberals, and in the process has become even
ore hackish than them.

Hackishness doesn't equal misinformation and outright lying. Those are what FOX is good at.

I would think that their bias has reached a point where it could be categorized as misinformation.

Both FoX News and MSNBC are heavy on analysis, and both have undeniable bias. But at that FoX News is in a league of its own for propaganda in America. Maybe Soviet-era Pravda is a good comparison for FoX News. It is so d@mn manipulative.

MSNBC almost never gets its facts wrong. Unlike FoX it fact-checks. If it catches FoX News in error more often than does it catch itself on the air it is because it stops falsehoods from going on its cable feed, and FoX is more concerned with whether something pleases its audience than that it is right.

Rachel Maddow, Lawrence O'Donnell, and Ed Schultz don't pretend to be without bias. But they aren't political stooges of a political party. They have criticized Democrats for not going far enough.     
...exactly. What he said. lol. (sweet sig, btw)
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