Why was Prop 187 considered racist and xenophobic

[DINGO Joe]

Well, the nation has become quite reliant on illegals, especially Hispanic illegals to keep our agriculture industry functioning.  They do the jobs Americans are unwilling or unable to do.  Until you can come up with a system to acknowledge and incorporate them in a human manner, then yes, Prop 187 and everything else like it is racist and xenophobic.

[DINGO Joe]

They come here to do the work that feeds your fat ass (people in general, not you specifically).  Yet you would deprive them (many being children who need education) of basic services because the rule of law.

Let’s start severely punishing these Republican voters relying on undocumented labor, then.  Confiscate their farms, imprison anyone with an ownership interest in these farms, and auction the farms off to people willing to obey the law.

Indeed.  We need to punish the people that hire the illegals more than we do the poor bastards just looking for a job and a better life for his kids.  If it makes our fresh fruit and veggies 40% more expensive to pay what it actually should cost to get an American to pick vegetables for a living, so be it.  Or, ya know, crazy idea here, if there are Mexicans (or whatever) willing to do the work we aren't willing to do, import them (and maybe make sure the healthy Americans that turned down the jobs aren't getting any benefits from the state).

Fresh fruit and veggies?  It will make every category of ag more expensive.  Why does Dakota county in Nebraska almost have a Hispanic majority now?  Why are there so many Hispanics in Eastern NC amid all the chicken and hog farms?

Just a quick note regarding Nebraska, it recently passed WV in population but both states still have about the same number of people 16 and over.  The total number of people working in WV is around 740,000 while in Nebraska it's 986,000. 

https://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.wv.htm

I guess instead of Hispanics, we could load up trains full of West Virginians to do the work.  Not sure which you'd prefer.

[DINGO Joe]

Can we please stop saying “illegals”?

What would you prefer?

Undocumented immigrants. Or at least illegal immigrants if you can't do that much.

They're illegal just like alcohol was illegal in prohibition.

[DINGO Joe]

I guess instead of Hispanics, we could load up trains full of West Virginians to do the work.  Not sure which you'd prefer.

I doubt even they would do this line of work unless they too were given a wage high enough to cause price of agricultural products to skyrocket.

Well, of course.  I just wanted to give dead0man some options.  

[DINGO Joe]

Just a reminder of how things really work in the Midwest

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a23471864/devin-nunes-family-farm-iowa-california/

And who can forget that the employer of the illegal immigrant who killed Mollie Tibbetts was a prominent Republican candidate for ag commissioner in the state of Iowa who initially claimed that they used everify but didn't.  Said he was a great hardworking employee for 4 years (and he probably was).

So, he's not locked up.  The Nunes family isn't locked up.

Of course, it's not just the midwest but anywhere there's agriculture.  It's a ridiculous kabuki dance
 

[DINGO Joe]

To dead0man:

My point is that it's not about California, it's countrywide, or at least anyplace with agriculture. Agriculture needs workers and there isn't a local populace to fill the need.   It's nice that you're willing to pay much more for everything, I think it's debatable whether a majority would.  It would also be interesting to see how that would all work.  It would also be interesting too if they started locking up all the employers of illegal immigrants.  I would imagine the food chain would be radically disrupted and places like Iowa and Nebraska would probably have to double or triple their prison capacity. 

So, you have a huge mass of illegal immigrants working in the ag centers of America while the employers pretend they don't employ them.  The OP think some simple e-verify program will solve all this (the OP also believes Republicans were once fiscal conservatives)

Basically, you have a huge mass of illegal aliens that need to be legitimized and given US demographics you're going to need tons more labor coming in each year, especially if you want to keep this whole high debt ponzi scheme going.  Making them legal also makes them eligible to vote which makes some racist hicks angry.

And no, your not going to get the WV to go anywhere, they're perfectly willing to die off in place while yelling about how coal keeps the lights on.  If any coal is mined in WV 20 years from now, you'll probably need to bring in Hispanics to do that too.

[DINGO Joe]

I love all the red avatars talking about needing that cheap illegal labor to exploit so they can have cheap goods and services. You are all disgusting, and should be ashamed of yourselves. "If we had to pay a fair wage for agricultural workers then my avocado toast and soy latte would cost a fortune!"

At least were I live, my avocados say they're  from Mexico.  Everything you put in your mouth would cost more.  Illegals immigrant labor dominate the pork, beef, chicken and dairy industry.  The tiny brained racist hicks don't seem to grasp that.

[DINGO Joe]

I love all the red avatars talking about needing that cheap illegal labor to exploit so they can have cheap goods and services. You are all disgusting, and should be ashamed of yourselves. "If we had to pay a fair wage for agricultural workers then my avocado toast and soy latte would cost a fortune!"

At least were I live, my avocados say they're  from Mexico.  Everything you put in your mouth would cost more.  Illegals immigrant labor dominate the pork, beef, chicken and dairy industry.  The tiny brained racist hicks don't seem to grasp that.

Yup, just keep on exploiting those poor folks you hypocrite. I know you think those brown people are only good for picking your crops and doing all the dirty work you're apparently too good for. I'll bet you support raising the minimum wage too, but can't see the contradiction in how that would also cause prices to rise, while you say we need all that cheap illegal labor to keep prices down. But your tiny brain just can't seem to grasp that.

For the record, I support raising the minimum wage, and for reducing illegal immigration so that those employers will have to pay more to get legal workers to do them. I'm not a hypocrite like most of you red avatars.

Yeah, there are tons of legal workers in the US clamoring to work in ag processing.  Raise the minimum, pay them more, bring in legal workers to do the job, but they're still going to be a huge wave of Hispanics.  At least, they'll get to vote and maybe unionize too.  I'm all for it.

[DINGO Joe]

Is there anyone here who actually thinks the people doing these hard agricultural, household, hurricane cleanup jobs would be any different if we had a perfect immigration system versus the current one?

[DINGO Joe]

To dead0man:

My point is that it's not about California, it's countrywide, or at least anyplace with agriculture. Agriculture needs workers and there isn't a local populace to fill the need.   It's nice that you're willing to pay much more for everything, I think it's debatable whether a majority would.  It would also be interesting to see how that would all work.  It would also be interesting too if they started locking up all the employers of illegal immigrants.  I would imagine the food chain would be radically disrupted and places like Iowa and Nebraska would probably have to double or triple their prison capacity.  

well we wouldn't have to lock up very many of them, for obvious reasons.

Well, in the Esquire article they talk about a high profile prosecution in Iowa that was meant to be an example to others.  Maybe it worked, maybe all the Hispanics up there are really legal.

You still act like they have options.  They have two, hire from the available pool or shut down.  Maybe Nebraska can get a governor to arrest the farmers hiring illegals en masse.  Let's see what happens.  Best to do a trial run in one state than to do it nationwide.