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JohnFKennedy
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Posts: 7,449
Senatorial Procedure Act
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July 18, 2004, 10:41:47 AM »
The Constitution of the United States Election Atlas Forum states that:
The Senate shall establish its own rules and proceedings
(Article I, Section 5, Clause 1)
As of yet, we do not have any rules or proceedings regarding the Senate so I would like to propose that we take steps to bring the level of organization in the Senate up a notch so we can follow a stricter procedure.
For this reason I propose the following act:
Senatorial Procedure Act
Clause 1: At any one time there may be no more than two Bills/Acts/Constitutional Amendments being debated upon the Senate Floor. This does not include those Bills/Acts/Constitutional Amendments being voted upon at the time.
Clause 2: Each Bill/Act/Constitutional Amendment will be allotted debating time by the President of the Senate (Vice-President of the Forums) or the President Pro Tempore of the Senate.
Clause 3: Each Bill/Act/Constitutional Amendment will be debated upon for one week before a vote called. If the Senate wishes to end the debating early then a motion to cease debate may be brought forward by a Senator, if it gains the support of three other Senators then the debating shall cease immediately and the voting commence as soon as the President of the Senate or the President Pro Tempore begins the voting. If the Senate wishes to continue debating beyond one week a motion must similarly be brought before the Senate and supported by three other Senators. The debating will then be extended for one further week at which point a new motion may be put forward to extend debating otherwise the Bill/Act/Constitutional Amendment goes to a vote.
Clause 4: Voting in the Senate will take place for one week during which time the Senators must vote. All those Senators who do not vote will be considered to have abstained. If needed an injunction may be brought by a Senator to keep the polls open for a further week after which time the voting shall close. This injunction must be seconded by another Senator.
Clause 5: The public poll to pass a Constitutional Amendment once it has passed the Senate shall last for one week upon which time if it receives a majority vote it passes and if not then it does not.
So, lets get debating on this.
What do you think? Is there anything you would like to see change?
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Peak Harry
Harry
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Posts: 27,059
Re:Senatorial Procedure Act
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Reply #1 on:
July 18, 2004, 11:38:32 AM »
personally, I don't really think we should do this
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JohnFKennedy
Concerned Citizen
Posts: 7,449
Re:Senatorial Procedure Act
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Reply #2 on:
July 18, 2004, 11:39:41 AM »
Quote from: Senator Harry on July 18, 2004, 11:38:32 AM
personally, I don't really think we should do this
Any reason why? We are supposed to establish rules and proceedings.
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Peak Harry
Harry
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Posts: 27,059
Re:Senatorial Procedure Act
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Reply #3 on:
July 18, 2004, 11:43:19 AM »
Quote from: Senator John F. Kennedy, PPT on July 18, 2004, 11:39:41 AM
Quote from: Senator Harry on July 18, 2004, 11:38:32 AM
personally, I don't really think we should do this
Any reason why? We are supposed to establish rules and proceedings.
limiting to two bills and such just doesn't seem necessary. We should be able to debate as many as needed
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JohnFKennedy
Concerned Citizen
Posts: 7,449
Re:Senatorial Procedure Act
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Reply #4 on:
July 18, 2004, 11:45:13 AM »
Quote from: Senator Harry on July 18, 2004, 11:43:19 AM
Quote from: Senator John F. Kennedy, PPT on July 18, 2004, 11:39:41 AM
Quote from: Senator Harry on July 18, 2004, 11:38:32 AM
personally, I don't really think we should do this
Any reason why? We are supposed to establish rules and proceedings.
limiting to two bills and such just doesn't seem necessary. We should be able to debate as many as needed
I would say no more than five should be before the Senate at once though, gets a bit confusing.
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Peak Harry
Harry
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Posts: 27,059
Re:Senatorial Procedure Act
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Reply #5 on:
July 18, 2004, 12:05:18 PM »
Quote from: Senator John F. Kennedy, PPT on July 18, 2004, 11:45:13 AM
Quote from: Senator Harry on July 18, 2004, 11:43:19 AM
Quote from: Senator John F. Kennedy, PPT on July 18, 2004, 11:39:41 AM
Quote from: Senator Harry on July 18, 2004, 11:38:32 AM
personally, I don't really think we should do this
Any reason why? We are supposed to establish rules and proceedings.
limiting to two bills and such just doesn't seem necessary. We should be able to debate as many as needed
I would say no more than five should be before the Senate at once though, gets a bit confusing.
rather than making it a law, maybe we should just limit it ourselves
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JohnFKennedy
Concerned Citizen
Posts: 7,449
Re:Senatorial Procedure Act
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Reply #6 on:
July 18, 2004, 12:07:20 PM »
Quote from: Senator Harry on July 18, 2004, 12:05:18 PM
Quote from: Senator John F. Kennedy, PPT on July 18, 2004, 11:45:13 AM
Quote from: Senator Harry on July 18, 2004, 11:43:19 AM
Quote from: Senator John F. Kennedy, PPT on July 18, 2004, 11:39:41 AM
Quote from: Senator Harry on July 18, 2004, 11:38:32 AM
personally, I don't really think we should do this
Any reason why? We are supposed to establish rules and proceedings.
limiting to two bills and such just doesn't seem necessary. We should be able to debate as many as needed
I would say no more than five should be before the Senate at once though, gets a bit confusing.
rather than making it a law, maybe we should just limit it ourselves
So you would like Clause 1 removed?
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Peak Harry
Harry
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Posts: 27,059
Re:Senatorial Procedure Act
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Reply #7 on:
July 18, 2004, 12:10:47 PM »
Quote from: Senator John F. Kennedy, PPT on July 18, 2004, 12:07:20 PM
Quote from: Senator Harry on July 18, 2004, 12:05:18 PM
Quote from: Senator John F. Kennedy, PPT on July 18, 2004, 11:45:13 AM
Quote from: Senator Harry on July 18, 2004, 11:43:19 AM
Quote from: Senator John F. Kennedy, PPT on July 18, 2004, 11:39:41 AM
Quote from: Senator Harry on July 18, 2004, 11:38:32 AM
personally, I don't really think we should do this
Any reason why? We are supposed to establish rules and proceedings.
limiting to two bills and such just doesn't seem necessary. We should be able to debate as many as needed
I would say no more than five should be before the Senate at once though, gets a bit confusing.
rather than making it a law, maybe we should just limit it ourselves
So you would like Clause 1 removed?
yeah i don't have a problem with the rest of it
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StevenNick
StevenNick99
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Re:Senatorial Procedure Act
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July 18, 2004, 02:21:28 PM »
I think it should take more than four senators to cut off or continue debate. Under such circumstances four senators could endlessly prolong debate on an issue to effectively kill a bill. Likewise, a relatively small number of senators would be able to cut off debate whether or not the majority is willing. I think it should take five senators to cut off or continue debate.
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JohnFKennedy
Concerned Citizen
Posts: 7,449
Re:Senatorial Procedure Act
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Reply #9 on:
July 18, 2004, 03:02:50 PM »
Quote from: Senator StevenNick on July 18, 2004, 02:21:28 PM
I think it should take more than four senators to cut off or continue debate. Under such circumstances four senators could endlessly prolong debate on an issue to effectively kill a bill. Likewise, a relatively small number of senators would be able to cut off debate whether or not the majority is willing. I think it should take five senators to cut off or continue debate.
Good point. I will make changes accordingly with what people want.
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JohnFKennedy
Concerned Citizen
Posts: 7,449
Re:Senatorial Procedure Act
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Reply #10 on:
July 18, 2004, 04:08:13 PM »
Senatorial Procedure Act
Clause 1: At any one time there may be no more than four Bills/Acts/Constitutional Amendments being debated upon the Senate Floor. This does not include those Bills/Acts/Constitutional Amendments being voted upon at the time.
Clause 2: Each Bill/Act/Constitutional Amendment will be allotted debating time by the President of the Senate (Vice-President of the Forums) or the President Pro Tempore of the Senate.
Clause 3: Each Bill/Act/Constitutional Amendment will be debated upon for one week before a vote called. If the Senate wishes to end the debating early then a motion to cease debate may be brought forward by a Senator, if it gains the support of four other Senators then the debating shall cease immediately and the voting commence as soon as the President of the Senate or the President Pro Tempore begins the voting. If the Senate wishes to continue debating beyond one week a motion must similarly be brought before the Senate and supported by four other Senators. The debating will then be extended for one further week at which point a new motion may be put forward to extend debating otherwise the Bill/Act/Constitutional Amendment goes to a vote.
Clause 4: Voting in the Senate will take place for one week during which time the Senators must vote. All those Senators who do not vote will be considered to have abstained. If needed an injunction may be brought by a Senator to keep the polls open for a further week after which time the voting shall close. This injunction must be seconded by another Senator.
Clause 5: The public poll to pass a Constitutional Amendment once it has passed the Senate shall last for one week upon which time if it receives a majority vote it passes and if not then it does not.
Ok, I am resubmitting an altered version of this act, the number of bills/acts/amendments before the Senate can now go up to four and the number of senators support required to end debating early or extend it is five.
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12th Doctor
supersoulty
Atlas Star
Posts: 20,599
Re:Senatorial Procedure Act
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Reply #11 on:
July 18, 2004, 04:26:54 PM »
Actually, this should be a "Resolution" not an act, as it only pertains to the conduct of the Senate.
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JohnFKennedy
Concerned Citizen
Posts: 7,449
Re:Senatorial Procedure Act
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Reply #12 on:
July 18, 2004, 04:28:31 PM »
Quote from: Vice-President Supersoulty on July 18, 2004, 04:26:54 PM
Actually, this should be a "Resolution" not an act, as it only pertains to the conduct of the Senate.
Ok, sorry, then this is a Resolution
.
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JohnFKennedy
Concerned Citizen
Posts: 7,449
Re:Senatorial Procedure Act
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Reply #13 on:
July 19, 2004, 05:21:01 AM »
Please move to the fantasy government board.
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Platypus
hughento
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Posts: 21,487
Re:Senatorial Procedure Act
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Reply #14 on:
July 21, 2004, 07:40:46 AM »
The problem I see with this, and with alot of the new rules and regs flooding in, is that it makes the community closed to newcomers. For example, the peopblems lots of new members have with regions and districts, and also how the senate works, who can debate in the senate, etc.
We need some ground rules, but they need to be as easy to understand as possible, as quickly as possible. I thereforen suggest we strip this resoulation to the bones; the framework is very good ut it needs to be a lot simpler.
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JohnFKennedy
Concerned Citizen
Posts: 7,449
Re:Senatorial Procedure Act
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Reply #15 on:
July 22, 2004, 05:06:09 PM »
Quote from: hughento on July 21, 2004, 07:40:46 AM
The problem I see with this, and with alot of the new rules and regs flooding in, is that it makes the community closed to newcomers. For example, the peopblems lots of new members have with regions and districts, and also how the senate works, who can debate in the senate, etc.
We need some ground rules, but they need to be as easy to understand as possible, as quickly as possible. I thereforen suggest we strip this resoulation to the bones; the framework is very good ut it needs to be a lot simpler.
I think these are reasonably easy to understand personally.
If they are placed in a sticky or something it will be easy for new applicants to learn Senate procedure rules.
Anyway, if nobody else has anything to say I will call a vote on this resolution tomorrow.
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JohnFKennedy
Concerned Citizen
Posts: 7,449
Re:Senatorial Procedure Act
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Reply #16 on:
July 26, 2004, 09:35:19 AM »
«
Edited:
July 26, 2004, 11:04:34 AM
by
Senator John F. Kennedy, PPT »
A bit behind but I'd like to call a vote on the Senatorial Procedure Resolution as posted by John F. Kennedy on July 18th at 4:02 PM.
Please vote Yea or Nay.
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JohnFKennedy
Concerned Citizen
Posts: 7,449
Re:Senatorial Procedure Act
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July 26, 2004, 09:35:48 AM »
I vote Yea.
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StatesRights
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Posts: 31,153
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Re:Senatorial Procedure Act
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Reply #18 on:
July 26, 2004, 11:50:39 AM »
Nay.
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StevenNick
StevenNick99
Jr. Member
Posts: 1,899
Re:Senatorial Procedure Act
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Reply #19 on:
July 26, 2004, 03:07:07 PM »
Yea
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Peak Harry
Harry
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Posts: 27,059
Re:Senatorial Procedure Act
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Reply #20 on:
July 26, 2004, 03:14:58 PM »
yea, i guess
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Akno21
Concerned Citizen
Posts: 9,078
Re:Senatorial Procedure Act
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Reply #21 on:
July 26, 2004, 03:42:26 PM »
Yea.
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Platypus
hughento
Atlas Star
Posts: 21,487
Re:Senatorial Procedure Act
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Reply #22 on:
July 26, 2004, 06:29:09 PM »
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Edited:
July 28, 2004, 04:19:01 PM
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hughento »
I have reservations, but this is a lot better then nothing.
I vote Yea.
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JohnFKennedy
Concerned Citizen
Posts: 7,449
Re:Senatorial Procedure Act
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Reply #23 on:
July 28, 2004, 07:51:19 AM »
1 more vote and this passes.
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Demrepdan
Jr. Member
Posts: 1,305
Re:Senatorial Procedure Act
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Reply #24 on:
July 28, 2004, 05:25:11 PM »
Quote from: Senator John F. Kennedy, PPT on July 28, 2004, 07:51:19 AM
1 more vote and this passes.
You got your vote.....
I vote Yea.
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