Talk Elections

Kinda like Exnaderite's fantasy poll..
http://www.demochoice.org/dcballot.php?poll=B20CP

1st   Franklin D. Roosevelt
2nd   Bill Clinton
3rd   Dwight Eisenhower
4th   Theodore Roosevelt
5th   John F. Kennedy
6th   Richard Nixon
7th   Harry S Truman
8th   Woodrow Wilson
9th   Lyndon B. Johnson
10th   George H. W. Bush
11th   William McKinley
12th   Gerald Ford
13th   Calvin Coolidge
14th   Jimmy Carter
15th   Ronald Reagan
16th   Warren G. Harding
17th   William Taft
18th   Herbert Hoover

1. Reagan
2. Cooldige
3. Eisenhower
4. Kennedy
5. Carter
6. Ford
7. Taft
8. Harding
9. Truman
10. Bush XLI
11. Clinton
12. Harding
13. Wilson
14. McKinley
15. TR
16. Nixon
17. Johnson
18. FDR

Roosevelt, Roosevelt, and Reagan.

1st Franklin D. Roosevelt
2nd Harry S Truman
3rd Bill Clinton
4th John F. Kennedy
5th Woodrow Wilson
6th Lyndon B. Johnson
7th Theodore Roosevelt
8th Jimmy Carter
9th Dwight Eisenhower
10th George H. W. Bush
11th William McKinley
12th Gerald Ford
13th Richard Nixon
14th Calvin Coolidge
15th Herbert Hoover
16th Ronald Reagan
17th William Taft
18th Warren G. Harding

Reagan sticks out the most in my mind.

1. William McKinley
2. Franklin D. Roosevelt
3. Ronald Reagan
4. Dwight Eisenhower
5. Theodore Roosevelt
6. Harry S Truman
7. John F. Kennedy
8. Richard Nixon
9. Herbert Hoover
10. George H. W. Bush
11. Calvin Coolidge
12. Woodrow Wilson
13. Gerald Ford
14. William Taft
15. Jimmy Carter
16. Bill Clinton
17. Warren Harding
18. Forgot :)

John F. Kennedy
Harry S Truman
Theodore Roosevelt
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Bill Clinton
Ronald Reagan
Dwight Eisenhower
Richard Nixon
William McKinley
Woodrow Wilson
William Taft
Lyndon B. Johnson
Herbert Hoover
George H. W. Bush
Gerald Ford
Jimmy Carter
Calvin Coolidge
Warren G. Harding

Took it!

Hoover #1

1  Ronald Reagan                   10  William McKinley
2  Theodore Roosevelt            11  Herbert Hoover
3  Harry Truman                      12  William Taft
4  John Kennedy                     13  Gerald Ford
5  Franklin Roosevelt              14  Lyndon Johnson
6  George Bush                       15  Calvin Coolidge
7  Woodrow Wilson                16  Bill Clinton
8  Dwight Eisenhower             17  Jimmy Carter
9  Richard Nixon                       18  Warren Harding

If I did this tomorrow it would probably come out different.

1. LBJ
2. FDR
3. Bill Clinton
4. Truman
5. JFK
6. Teddy Roosevelt
7. Eisenhower
8. Jimmy Carter
9. Gerald Ford
10. George H.W. Bush
11. Woodrow Wilson
12. William McKinley
13. Richard Nixon
14. Herbert Hoover
15.  Calvin Coolidge
16. Harding
17. Reagan
18. Taft

YOU ROCK TEXASGURL!

1. Reagan
2. F. Roosevelt
3. Truman
4. T. Roosevelt
5. McKinley
6. Coolidge
7. Eisenhower
8. Ford
9. Kennedy
10. Bush
11. Taft
12. Hoover
13. Wilson
14. Nixon
15. Clinton
16. Harding
17. Carter
18. Johnson

Has someone hacked into PB's account? Surely he wouldn't rank his hero the only the 9th best in this century

My first post to these boards! Yay!

So anyway, on with my picks:

1. John F. Kennedy
2. Harry S. Truman
3. Ronald Reagan
4. Franklin D. Roosevelt
5. Dwight Eisenhower
6. Theodore Roosevelt
7. Bill Clinton
8. Woodrow Wilson
9. George H.W. Bush
10. Gerald Ford
11. William H. Taft
12. Herbert Hoover
13. William McKinley
14. Lyndon Johnson
15. Richard Nixon
16. Jimmy Carter
17. Calvin Coolidge
18. Warren G. Harding

My picks

1.  "Silent" Calvin Coolidge
2.  Ronald Wilson Reagan
3.  Warren G. Harding
4.  William McKinley
5.  Harry S Truman
6.  Dwight David Eisenhower
7.  George H.W. Bush
8.  Teddy Roosevelt
9.  William Jefferson Clinton
10.  William Howard Taft
11.  Herbert Hoover
12. Richard Milhaus Nixon
13. John Fitzgerald Kennedy
14. Gerald R. Ford
15. Woodrow Wilson
16. James Earl Carter
17. Lyndon Baines Johnson
18. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

Goldwater tops the list for people who should have won.

Franklin D. Roosevelt
Theodore Roosevelt
Harry S Truman
John F. Kennedy
Dwight Eisenhower
Bill Clinton
Jimmy Carter
Woodrow Wilson
Gerald Ford
Warren G. Harding
Richard Nixon
William Taft
George H. W. Bush
Herbert Hoover
William McKinley
Calvin Coolidge
Lyndon B. Johnson
Ronald Reagan

I can not rank him #1, I once ranked him as #5, but I have to listen to the actual lessons of history, not mt personal partisanship to my hero.

1st Franklin D. Roosevelt
2nd Lyndon B. Johnson
3rd Woodrow Wilson
4th Theodore Roosevelt
5th Richard M. Nixon
6th John F. Kennedy
7th Harry S Truman
8th William J. Clinton
9th James E. Carter
10th William H. Taft
11th Gerald Ford
12th Dwight Eisenhower
13th George H. W. Bush
14th Ronald Reagan
15th Herbert Hoover
16th Calvin Coolidge
17th Warren G. Harding
18th William McKinley

1. Ronald Reagan
2. Theodore Roosevelt
3. George H.W. Bush
4. Dwight Eisenhower
5. Richard Nixon
6. Harry Truman
7. William McKinley
8. Franklin D. Roosevelt
9. Calvin Coolidge
10. Woodrow Wilson
11. Herbert Hoover
12. William Taft
13. Gerald Ford
14. John F. Kennedy
15. Bill Clinton
16. Warren Harding
17. Jimmy Carter
18. Lyndon Johnson

How exactly do these "lessons of history" say he is wrong?

None.

Well, although Hoover did try to end the Great Depression, to say he was our greatest President would be wrong.

He is:

Our kindest President.

Our smartest president.

The President with the biggest heart.

The most honest president.

The most athletic President next to TR. (Hooverball is a grueling game)

The hardest working President.

Hmm, upon reading your signature (Hoover quote) and then reading your post I understand

I can't really rank them in 1 2 3 4... last type, but i'll put them in categories (names in no particular order):

Top tier:
Reagan (top Republican)
Eisenhower
T. Roosevelt

Middle of the road:

Clinton
Truman
Kennedy (top Democrat)
F. Roosevelt
Ford
GHW Bush
Coolidge
Taft
McKinley

Bottom of the barrel:

Nixon
Harding (bottom Republican)
Carter (bottom Democrat)
Hoover
Johnson
Wilson


Where some primary and electoral candidates would go in my opinion..

Top Tier:
none

Middle of Road:
George W. Bush
Richard Cheney
Joe Lieberman
Richard Gephardt
Michael Badnarik
Michael Peroutka

Bottom of Barrel:
John Kerry
John Edwards
Al Sharpton
David Cobb
Ralph Nader
Carol Moseley-Braun
Howard Dean

Unknown:
Wesley Clark (middle or bottom?)

I'm not going to list them since it would take too long. More time than I have. So I think at the top of my list would be Ronald Reagan and Teddy Rooseavelt.

1st   Ronald Reagan
2nd   Teddy Roosevelt
3rd   Harry Truman
4th   John F. Kennedy
5th   Richard Nixon
6th   William McKinley
7th   George H. W. Bush
8th   Ike Eisenhower
9th   FDR
10th   William Taft
11th   Gerald Ford
12th   Herbert Hoover
13th   Calvin Coolidge
14th   Bill Clinton
15th   Woodrow Wilson
16th   LBJ
17th   Warren Harding
18th   Jimmy Carter

ing an intern sure hurt the country more than the Great Depression.

The best president by far is interestingly the one that wins every election regardless of the era, government regulations or the media. it's 
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A direct democracy would and has worked better than any representational system.   It's makes sense that more than half the population stays home on election day in "freest nation in the world".

Ignoring the terrorist threat certainly hurt the world more than a tariff, if you want to go that route.

It is better than the 15% turn out that you have in France.

my ranking:

1) T. Roosevelt
2) Harry Truman
3) Ronald Reagan
4) FDR
5) LBJ
6) Bill Clinton
7) Dwight Eisenhower
8) Richard Nixon
9) JFK
10) Gerald Ford
11) Woodrow Wilson
12) G.H.W. Bush
13) Herbert Hoover
14) Calvin Coolidge
15) William Mckinley
16) James Carter
17) William Taft
18) Warren Harding

1st Theodore Roosevelt
2nd Lyndon B. Johnson
3rd Franklin D. Roosevelt
4th Harry S Truman
5th John F. Kennedy
6th Woodrow Wilson
7th Bill Clinton
8th Jimmy Carter
9th Dwight Eisenhower
10th Gerald Ford
11th George H. W. Bush
12th Ronald Reagan
13th Calvin Coolidge
14th Herbert Hoover
15th William McKinley
16th William Taft
17th Warren G. Harding
18th Richard Nixon

The man who got us deeply involved in Vietnam is #2?

The man who said (essentially) screw what the South thinks, black people have rights is #2!

I probably should have put Nixon higher and Carter lower. One's just so mean and the other so nice. I forget it shouldn't be aesthetic.

The only reason LBJ even signed the Civil Rights act is because Republicans in congress passed it and it basically forced LBJ to sign in because of his re-election. I doubt an old time southern democrat racist like LBJ would have came up with such an idea on his own. Since Democrats have never tried to push for civil rights. Republicans did all the work for equality from 1867 - Present. Democrats are the ones that lie and make up bogus stories to pander to blacks. Like the newest ad that's being played on a local R&B station, "If George Bush is re-elected he will take away civil rights". Then at the end, "I'm John Kerry and I approve of this message." I hope one day the black community can wake up and realize that the Democrats are still the party of racial oppression but they've just changed their mode of operations.

In another thread you said:

" But we sacrificed our 'great experiment' when Lincoln was inaugurated. He set a terrible precedent for how to govern and is easily the worst president in American history. "

I can see we don't see eye to eye on what constitutes civil rights progress or what constitutes a truly bold and visionary leader.

I'll give you that the congressional Republicans were generally pretty good about civil rights and many congressional Democrats in the South were not. But nonetheless Johnson was President in 1964, signed the Civil Rights legislation, and should get the credit in a ranking of Presidents. By your logic, it's fair for me to say George Bush opposed a Dept of Homeland Security and only signed it because of pressure from Democrats. Is that a point you'll give me???

CNN transcript, Jack Valenti, a Republican, on Johnson and Civil Rights:
"PHILLIPS: Now, Jack, when all this was going on, you were very involved in politics. You were an aide to Lyndon Johnson. Tell us about the mind set of Lyndon Johnson and why he wanted to make civil rights a priority. And what he said to you and how you advised him as his aide.

VALENTI: Well, first, it's a great honor to be on this show with one of America's greatest heroes, John Lewis.

LEWIS: Jack, you've been very kind, jack. It's good to be with you, my friend.

VALENTI: Well, you're a great hero, John, and we're in your debt.

On the very night of Johnson's first night of his accession to the presidency, I flew back with him from Dallas, having been in that motorcade when President Kennedy was murdered, and in that photograph.

As he lay in bed, with Bill Moyers, Cliff Carter (ph) and I surrounding him, sitting around that big bed, I guess it might have been midnight on November the 22nd, '63, he brought up fact that the civil rights bill was languishing in the Senate, wasn't going anywhere, and that by damn he was going to get it out of there and pass it. And he was going to make it on the moral issue, the moral imperative, and force everybody to come to that line and cross it.

It was an extraordinary experience that this man determined that the first priority on his agenda was human justice and civil rights, and he made it all come true.

PHILLIPS: Well, Jack, Roy Wilkins, who was the head of the NAACP at that time, he said some pretty powerful things to you with regard to how he felt about Lyndon Johnson and what Johnson was doing for the black community.

VALENTI: That's right. We were in a meeting in the Cabinet Room, with all the great black leaders, Dorothy Hite, whom I saw yesterday, Phil Randolph, Bayard Rustin, Whitney Young, Clarence Mitchell and Roy Wilkins, of course, were the largest among them all. As we left the meeting, he put his arm around me, and he said, Jack, don't you realize that God moves in strange and wondrous ways?"

And I said, What do you mean, Roy?

He said, don't you find it odd the greatest friend the Negro in America has ever had turns out to be a southern president?

And I must say, I kind of misted up a little bit on that.

PHILLIPS: Congressman Lewis, you were telling me how JFK was so inspirational to you. I asked you that question, why did you decide to get into politics? And did you ever think you'd be in the position to change policy that really fought against you for so long? And then Lyndon Johnson, so tight with JFK -- it's interesting how this all came about.

LEWIS: Well, I was deeply, deeply inspired by President Kennedy. I watched the campaign of 1960. I could not even register to vote in Alabama. My own mother and father could not register to vote for President Kennedy. But he was elected.

And years later, I met him, in May of 1963 or June of 1963. And we developed a friendship. And later, when President Johnson became president, he invited me to the White House when he signed the Voting Rights Act of '65. And I will never forget that.

So all of these men, Robert Kennedy, President Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Martin Luther King Jr., just coming there to testify before a committee, or meet with the others...

PHILLIPS: And all those white men. I mean this was pretty shocking. LEWIS: It was all white men. But when I met with them and talked with them, you saw them moving, you saw them changing and growing. And I became convinced that they were convinced that it was the right thing to do to get this legislation passed.

PHILLIPS: Let's talk about that legislation.

Jack, you remember that day. Let's just bring us back to it, 40 years ago.

VALENTI: Well, the day of course was the climax of ceaseless, relentless persuasion on the part of Lyndon Johnson and all the people around him. I know that in the days leading up to the vote on the Civil Rights Act of '64, as later we did on the Voting Rights Act of '65, he told me, he said, now, here's some congressmen and senators I want you to talk to. They're southern congressmen and senators, but you talk like they do, so by God, you go up to that Hill and you get their vote.

And I would go in there and say, senator or congressman, President Johnson wants you to know that if you vote with him, he'll never forget. But if you vote against him, he'll always remember. We played -- we played it tough.

But he was determined that he was going to pass that bill which was so locked up deep in the bowels of the Senate, that it looked like it could never get out. But he got it out.

One other anecdote: I remember in December '63, a conversation he had with Senator Russell, and he told him he was going to pass that bill.

And Senator Russell said, Well, Mr. President, if you do, you'll not only lose this election, but you'll lose the south forever. I remember Lyndon Johnson saying in words I have never forgotten, he said, well, Dick if that's the price I have to pay, I will gladly pay it. "

He won the election, basically lost the South for the Dems forever, but for the worthiest cause of all- equality under the law.

Lincoln waged war on southern civilians and violated the constitution in regards to policies towards the south. If that does not make a bad president I don't know what does.

South Carolina violated the Constitution when it seceded from the Union. Where in the Constitution do they get that power? They don't. Elected officials in the emerging "Confederacy" essentially waged a military occupation of states that belonged to the Union.

The very type of action you are decrying now is the only justifiable argument your President has for invading Iraq. "Freeing the Iraqi people from a brutal dictator." Lincoln freed the American slaves from a brutal ecopnomic system and the governments that supported it.

"Freedom is on the march" is the only decent line Bush had in the three debates. Although I don't really buy it, it's the only vision that could save Bush from the trash heaps of history. It really could be a Lincolnesque vision for the world if he doesn't muck it up. Geez, you've got me defending Bush now. Yuck!

Secession is a constitutional right.

Article and section, please.

Amendment 10.

Article IV, section 2 "The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territories or other property belonging to the United States"

Funny that "South Carolina Declaration of Causes of Secession" doesn't invoke the Tenth Amendment.

My priorities are peace and prosperity.  No one keeps track of wars not fought.

1. Reagan
2. Coolidge
3. Eisenhower
4. Kennedy

Not sure beyond that.

Reagan
Nixon
FDR
Truman
Bush I
Bush II
Ike

All of the presidents have had their annoying issues. I can't say I like any of them specifically, but if I had to choose one, it would probably be Theodore Roosevelt.

1. FDR
2. JFK
3. Harry Truman
4. Woodrow Wilson
5. Ike Eisenhower
6. Theodore Roosevelt
7. Bill Clinton
8. Gerald R. Ford
9. Lyndon Johnson
10. Jimmy Carter
11. Richard Nixon
12. Ronald Reagan
13. William Howard Taft
14. George H.W. Bush
15. Herbert Hoover
16. Calvin Cooligde
17. Warren G. Harding
18. George W. Bush

1. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
2. Bill Clinton
3. Woodrow Wilson
4. Lyndon B. Johnson
5. John F. Kennedy


And the best of the 21st century...

Al Gore.

When is he going to get elected?

He was....:lol:

yes!!! someone else who is pissed off about the 2000 election!!!

Wishful dreaming.

I'm curious about all this unhappiness about the 2000 election, and I mean no disrespect.  Admittadly I voted for Bush in both elections and continue to support him as president.  Understandably it's not like 1992 when Republicans were unhappy about the election, but didn't claim that Bush Sr really won.  I also have no issue with Gore for not conceding until he actually did.  But what evidence is there that Gore actually won the election.  I'm not talking about the overall popular vote.  Florida is the issue.  Bush's victory was indeed close, possibly even questionable.  But I've never seen anything that proves beyond any doubt that Gore won. 

That's what I thought.