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Title: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Vepres on June 14, 2009, 11:05:28 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel

Coming soon...

I decided to start this to report, analyze, and comment on news. I decided to do this for three reasons: One, many have been complaining about the disconnect between the senate and citizens, this will inform citizens of the senate's activities. Two, there are no regularly updated news sources around of late. Three, I have nothing better to do.

I plan to update it every few days if not every day and I hope to have the first edition out tomorrow. If you want to submit a commentary or analysis (probably when/if this gains more momentum and popularity), pm a summary of your post for my approval. Comments are welcome.


Title: Re: New!!! The Atlasian Sentiel
Post by: Rowan on June 14, 2009, 11:06:55 PM
You might want to start by fixing the title. ;)


Title: Re: New!!! The Atlasian Sentiel
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on June 14, 2009, 11:12:28 PM
What RowanBrandon said.

Also, it looks like this will discuss only the Senate--why?


Title: Re: New!!! The Atlasian Sentiel
Post by: Purple State on June 14, 2009, 11:17:22 PM
What RowanBrandon said.

Also, it looks like this will discuss only the Senate--why?

Because we are just that damn interesting. Also, the majority of average Atlasians never or rarely visit the Government board, so this seems like a way to bridge that disconnect.


Title: Re: New!!! The Atlasian Sentiel
Post by: Vepres on June 14, 2009, 11:28:33 PM
You might want to start by fixing the title. ;)

Good idea. ;)

What RowanBrandon said.

Also, it looks like this will discuss only the Senate--why?

The senate is why I started this, but they will be by no means the pure focus. Campaigns, the executive branch, and state governments will come into focus as well. GM events and news stories will also be commented on.

Because we are just that damn interesting. Also, the majority of average Atlasians never or rarely visit the Government board, so this seems like a way to bridge that disconnect.

Yes. Elections will be more interesting and activity will increase (hopefully) if Atlasians are informed. Besides, I need something to do, and there were no regularly updated news sources.


Title: Re: New!!! The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on June 14, 2009, 11:51:05 PM
Good to see one my campaign ideas was implemented...


Title: Re: New!!! The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: bgwah on June 15, 2009, 12:44:31 AM
Good luck!


Title: Re: New!!! The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 15, 2009, 12:59:19 AM
I've always believed that a number of quality, active, well-written news sources are critical to the functioning of this game, and so I wish you luck!

And if this being elected President thing doesn't work out, maybe I'll start a newspaper as well.


Title: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 15, 2009
Post by: Vepres on June 15, 2009, 11:17:40 AM
June 15, 2009; Edition 1
The Atlasian Sentinel

Constitutional Amendment Fails to Pass
By Vepres

As of yesterday, the constitutional amendment banning capital punishment nation-wide has failed to pass in the regional votes. The constitution states that three-fourths of all states must approve an amendment for it to pass. Two regions passed the amendment, the Midwest and the Pacific, and the Northeast is still voting. However, two regions, the Dirty South and the Mideast, rejected the amendment. With two of the regions rejecting it, there is no way the three-fourths of regions required for it to pass can be achieved (as two-fifths are greater than one-fourth, the maximum fraction of regions that can disapprove of an amendment, and have it still be instituted into law).

This is a major victory for the Regional Protection Party, which advocates for regional rights. Presidential candidate and RPP member Senator PiT, reportedly urged all RPP members to vote against the amendment. His efforts seem to have been proven successful.


Keystone Phil Confirmed by Senate for AG position
By Vepres

Keystone Phil (DPL-PA), President Bgwah's nominee to replace Attorney General Marokai, was unanimously confirmed by the senate today, with seven ayes, and zero nays and abstains. This nomination generated little controversy, though Senator Purple State questioned whether Keystone Phil was just making a power grab, considering he was already in a senate race. Keystone Phil replied,

Quote from: Keystone Phil
You asked what appeals to me. I said serving the people. You asked why I'd be willing to abandon a Senate run. I said because I have a better chance at getting this spot than a Senate seat. I never said I can 'better serve' as Attorney General. I don't know how it gets anymore straightforward. You just want to spin my answers as much as possible and cause a scene. Such a pity.

Ultimately, Senator Purple State voted for Keystone Phil anyway. Senators Smid, Bacon King, Afleitch, were not present at the vote.



Tmthforu94 Appointed to the Mideast Assembly
By Vepres

Friday, Tmthforu94 was appointed to fill the vacancy in the Mideast assembly by Governor Inks.LWC. The seat had been vacated when it was revealed that the current office-holder, Persepolis, was Ogis, and then removed from the office. When asked by the Governor why he should appoint him to the seat, Tmthforu94 said, "I'm one of the only non-Assembly members who is active in the Assembly thread, so I know what is happening in the Mideast. I am devoted to helping the Mideast, and will represent the values of the Regional Protection Party."

Tmthforu94 is a member of the RPP, and currently a resident of Indiana.




Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 15, 2009
Post by: Vepres on June 15, 2009, 04:31:32 PM
Page 2
June 15, 2009; Edition 1

School Lunch Bill is Signed into Law
By Vepres

Today, the "School Lunch Bill" was passed by the senate and subsequently signed by President Bgwah. The bill passed with 8 Ayes, 0 Nays, and 1 Abstain. Senator PiT was the only senator to abstain from the vote, and Senator Smid was not present.

The bill requires that all public Atlasian schools provide students with a salad bar at lunch. Poor families would be eligible for either partial or full subsidies based on their income so their children could afford a lunch. It also provided an additional $3.5 billion of school lunch and construction funds to each region.

The bill was introduced by Senator Marokai.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 15, 2009
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 15, 2009, 04:55:37 PM
Ah, something new to read over breakfeast.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 15, 2009
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on June 15, 2009, 05:15:16 PM
I have been considering doing something like this myself. Well, good luck.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 15, 2009
Post by: Purple State on June 15, 2009, 05:22:44 PM
Keystone Phil Confirmed by Senate for AG position
By Vepres

Keystone Phil (DPL-PA), President Bgwah's nominee to replace Attorney General Marokai, was unanimously confirmed by the senate today, with seven ayes, and zero nays and abstains. This nomination generated little controversy, though Senator Purple State questioned whether Keystone Phil was just making a power grab, considering he was already in a senate race. Keystone Phil replied,

Quote from: Keystone Phil
You asked what appeals to me. I said serving the people. You asked why I'd be willing to abandon a Senate run. I said because I have a better chance at getting this spot than a Senate seat. I never said I can 'better serve' as Attorney General. I don't know how it gets anymore straightforward. You just want to spin my answers as much as possible and cause a scene. Such a pity.

Ultimately, Senator Purple State voted for Keystone Phil anyway. Senators Smid, Bacon King, Afleitch, were not present at the vote.

I object to this portrayal of my questioning. I simply was attempting to understand what about the position of AG appealed to Phil more than the Senate seat for which he was a candidate. It was my attempt at understanding what about the AG position most stood out in his mind. Instead, he answered with "Serving the people," which in no way related to the question (unless he was implying that Senators don't serve the people, which did not seem to be the case). My subsequent posts were meant to elicit a clearer response, which ended up muddled down by Phil's defensive posture.

Nevertheless, I voted for the AG's confirmation because I attribute his attitude to the cut-throat attitude that Atlasia has taken on, rather than any flaw in Phil's ability to get the job done.

By the way, I am always available for comment or an interview if the need/urge arises. ;)


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 15, 2009
Post by: Vepres on June 15, 2009, 06:18:54 PM
Keystone Phil Confirmed by Senate for AG position
By Vepres

Keystone Phil (DPL-PA), President Bgwah's nominee to replace Attorney General Marokai, was unanimously confirmed by the senate today, with seven ayes, and zero nays and abstains. This nomination generated little controversy, though Senator Purple State questioned whether Keystone Phil was just making a power grab, considering he was already in a senate race. Keystone Phil replied,

Quote from: Keystone Phil
You asked what appeals to me. I said serving the people. You asked why I'd be willing to abandon a Senate run. I said because I have a better chance at getting this spot than a Senate seat. I never said I can 'better serve' as Attorney General. I don't know how it gets anymore straightforward. You just want to spin my answers as much as possible and cause a scene. Such a pity.

Ultimately, Senator Purple State voted for Keystone Phil anyway. Senators Smid, Bacon King, Afleitch, were not present at the vote.

I object to this portrayal of my questioning. I simply was attempting to understand what about the position of AG appealed to Phil more than the Senate seat for which he was a candidate. It was my attempt at understanding what about the AG position most stood out in his mind. Instead, he answered with "Serving the people," which in no way related to the question (unless he was implying that Senators don't serve the people, which did not seem to be the case). My subsequent posts were meant to elicit a clearer response, which ended up muddled down by Phil's defensive posture.

Nevertheless, I voted for the AG's confirmation because I attribute his attitude to the cut-throat attitude that Atlasia has taken on, rather than any flaw in Phil's ability to get the job done.

By the way, I am always available for comment or an interview if the need/urge arises. ;)

Thank you Senator! In hindsight I should've asked you personally why you questioned him.  I would edit it, but you make a good case here yourself.


Title: Re: New!!! The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 15, 2009, 10:18:42 PM
Good to see one my campaign ideas was implemented...

I was going to introduce the "Secretary of the Senate" idea, but I figured since it was Hashemite's idea, I didn't want to look like a thief.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 15, 2009
Post by: Devilman88 on June 15, 2009, 10:37:46 PM
Good to see one my campaign ideas was implemented...

I was going to introduce the "Secretary of the Senate" idea, but I figured since it was Hashemite's idea, I didn't want to look like a thief.

The Secretary of the Senate idea was my idea, not Hashemite. He just had the idea of the noticeboard.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 15, 2009
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 15, 2009, 10:45:23 PM
Good to see one my campaign ideas was implemented...

I was going to introduce the "Secretary of the Senate" idea, but I figured since it was Hashemite's idea, I didn't want to look like a thief.

The Secretary of the Senate idea was my idea, not Hashemite. He just had the idea of the noticeboard.

Oh, damn, I'm getting nothing straight today :P


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 15, 2009
Post by: Devilman88 on June 15, 2009, 10:49:49 PM
Good to see one my campaign ideas was implemented...

I was going to introduce the "Secretary of the Senate" idea, but I figured since it was Hashemite's idea, I didn't want to look like a thief.

The Secretary of the Senate idea was my idea, not Hashemite. He just had the idea of the noticeboard.

Oh, damn, I'm getting nothing straight today :P

If you want to you can PM me and we can work on a bill to make the office and Hashemite can add his noticeboard idea to our bill.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 15, 2009
Post by: Purple State on June 15, 2009, 11:05:51 PM
I actually like this done by private citizens for as long as possible. The Noticeboard idea with the Secretary of the Senate should still be implemented as soon as these elections are done with.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 15, 2009
Post by: Brandon H on June 15, 2009, 11:10:41 PM
So I came up with the idea of a Clerk for the Senate in 2006. ;)


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 15, 2009
Post by: Vepres on June 16, 2009, 04:44:54 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel

Presidential Election Could Be a Close One
By Vepres

According to both the Survey Atlasia presidential poll as well as Franzl's tracking of the absentee ballots, the presidential election is shaping up to be a close one. The current poll shows Senator PiT with 54.5% of the vote, while Former Senator Lief has 45.5% of the vote. A nine point margin, essentially a tie given the historical inaccuracy of Atlasian polls.

The current absentee ballot results are close as well. Senator PiT and Fmr. Senator Lief are tied after DC_United's vote is distributed to PiT in the second round. If these patterns hold in the rest of the election, we could well have razor-thin victory from either PiT or Lief.






Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Update - June 16, 2009
Post by: bgwah on June 16, 2009, 04:47:37 PM
gporter edited his vote after 20 minutes, rendering it invalid.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Update - June 16, 2009
Post by: Franzl on June 16, 2009, 04:48:31 PM
gporter edited his vote after 20 minutes, rendering it invalid.

I think he meant DC United's vote for GPORTER.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Update - June 16, 2009
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 16, 2009, 04:49:10 PM
gporter edited his vote after 20 minutes, rendering it invalid.

     Though Lief & I are still tied in a second round, due to the distribution of Dc_united's vote. Right idea, wrong poster.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Update - June 16, 2009
Post by: Vepres on June 16, 2009, 04:52:01 PM
gporter edited his vote after 20 minutes, rendering it invalid.

     Though Lief & I are still tied in a second round, due to the distribution of Dc_united's vote. Right idea, wrong poster.

Fixed.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Update - June 16, 2009
Post by: Countess Anya of the North Parish on June 16, 2009, 05:00:47 PM
your welcome folks. This is a tight race.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Update - June 16, 2009
Post by: Vepres on June 16, 2009, 05:03:05 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel

Repeal of the Magnetic Research Legislative Act is Introduced in Senate

Introduced by Senator Afleitch, the bill would repeal a statute passed by the fifth senate. The bill being repealed provided money for the research of maglev trains and required the construction of maglev routes between major cities. However, with the passage of the High Speed Rail Act by the thirtieth senate, which was very similar, but with the cheaper high speed rail much like in Europe, many believed that the maglev research was unnecessary.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Update - June 16, 2009
Post by: Vepres on June 17, 2009, 05:58:39 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel

Ben Constine, Head of Atlasians for Intelligent and Active Legislators, Endorses PiT/Happy
By Vepres

Today, Ben Constine, the head of Atlasians for Intelligent and Active Legislators (AIAL), announced that he would support PiT/Happy for president in the coming election. Ben, an RPPer from Virginia, said, "I encourage everyone to follow my ballot, at least for the Presidency.  PiT and HappyWarrior both have long and distinguished records of activity in Atlasia, and deserve our support."

The AIAL is nonpartisan group that advocates for the election of legislators who are well versed on the issues facing Atlasian and have proven to be active in Atlasia and therefore will actively advocate for their issues.

Because Ben had finals around the election season, the group did not give out endorsements for any race, though one could say Ben's endorsement of PiT is official due to his status as the head of the organization.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Update - June 16, 2009
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 17, 2009, 06:02:23 PM
I'm curious as to why a socially conservative economically liberal pseudo-southern populist would support a west coast socially liberal free-trader, but not much ever makes sense here in Atlasia-land.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Update - June 16, 2009
Post by: HappyWarrior on June 17, 2009, 06:17:47 PM
I'm curious as to why a socially conservative economically liberal pseudo-southern populist would support a west coast socially liberal free-trader, but not much ever makes sense here in Atlasia-land.

Atlasia is not the same as America, they are two entirely different places politically.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Update - June 16, 2009
Post by: Vepres on June 17, 2009, 06:38:43 PM
I'm curious as to why a socially conservative economically liberal pseudo-southern populist would support a west coast socially liberal free-trader, but not much ever makes sense here in Atlasia-land.

Because he believes that PiT will be more active and knowledgeable on the issues (my opinion).


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Update - June 16, 2009
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 17, 2009, 06:59:37 PM
I'm curious as to why a socially conservative economically liberal pseudo-southern populist would support a west coast socially liberal free-trader, but not much ever makes sense here in Atlasia-land.

Because he believes that PiT will be more active and knowledgeable on the issues (my opinion).

Ben would vote for a kitchen appliance if it was endorsed by the RPP.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Update - June 16, 2009
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 17, 2009, 07:11:22 PM
I'm curious as to why a socially conservative economically liberal pseudo-southern populist would support a west coast socially liberal free-trader, but not much ever makes sense here in Atlasia-land.

Because he believes that PiT will be more active and knowledgeable on the issues (my opinion).

Ben would vote for a kitchen appliance if it was endorsed by the RPP.

Thanks Marokai, Now I know "what" we can run in the Pacific against MaxQue. :D


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Update - June 16, 2009
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 17, 2009, 07:13:06 PM
I'm curious as to why a socially conservative economically liberal pseudo-southern populist would support a west coast socially liberal free-trader, but not much ever makes sense here in Atlasia-land.

Because he believes that PiT will be more active and knowledgeable on the issues (my opinion).

Ben would vote for a kitchen appliance if it was endorsed by the RPP.

Thanks Marokai, Now I know "what" we can run in the Pacific against MaxQue. :D

:P


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Update - June 16, 2009
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on June 17, 2009, 07:33:51 PM
Marokai, you’re correct; PiT and I are not in agreement over most issues.  As HappyWarrior said, Atlasia is not America.  As I said, both PiT and HappyWarrior have very long and distinguished records in Atlasia; I worked closely with HappyWarrior during my time as Lieutenant Governor and Governor of the Mideast, and he and I are very close on issues of ideology; we really only disagree on the death penalty, and even HappyWarrior voted against the recent Death Penalty Abolition Amendment.  While I have a large amount of respect and affection for both Lief and Bacon King, I feel that the PiT/HappyWarrior ticket is the right ticket for Atlasia at this time, and therefore I offer them my endorsement.

Oh, and Vepres, my group is actually named Atlasians for Intelligent and Active Legislators.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Update - June 16, 2009
Post by: Vepres on June 18, 2009, 12:40:01 PM
Oh, and Vepres, my group is actually named Atlasians for Intelligent and Active Legislators.

Fixed.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Update - June 16, 2009
Post by: Vepres on June 18, 2009, 12:59:54 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel

Senate Debating Fair Interest Rates Bill
By Vepres

The senate is currently debating the Fair Interest Rates bill. The original bill, which was introduced by the newest member of the senate, Senator Marokai, would cap interest rates on credit card debt at 20%, and the interest rate on pay day loans at 30%.

Senator Purple State introduced an amendment on Tuesday which would make the regional governments administer a six hour course on the "proper uses and risks of credit." It states that if an individual completes the course, the government will subsidize the a reduction in the individuals credit by half. To pass, one must score a 75% or higher on a government approved exam. Regions may set stricter standards.

The amendment is currently up for vote.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Update - June 16, 2009
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on June 18, 2009, 01:19:29 PM
Oh, and Vepres, my group is actually named Atlasians for Intelligent and Active Legislators.

Fixed.

Much appreciated.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Senator PiT
Post by: Vepres on June 18, 2009, 05:41:21 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel

Interview With Presidential Candidate, Senator PiT
By Vepres

Today, June 18, I conducted an interview with Presidential candidate and current Southeast Senator PiT (RPP-LA).


Vepres: First of all, I would like to thank you for accepting this interview. Before we get to the presidential race, I would like to ask you about some questions about your work as a senator.

Do you support the Fair Interest Rates bill currently in the senate?

Senator PiT: I think it's a good idea, but as I have pointed out, it does nothing to teach people that credit cards are not just toys to spend however much they want. That's why I initiated a push for an amendment to the bill to do just that.


Should the amendment fail to pass, would you vote for the bill anyway?


I probably would. I do not see how preventing exorbitant interest rates is that objectionable, though I would be disappointed if no compromise were achieved to help teach fiscal responsibility to credit card holders.


Alright, moving on. How do you feel about the school standards reform bill?

As long as public schools exist, we can do well to set out guidelines for them. I must say that I am happy that the amendment banning soda sales failed. While students should be educated about healthy food choices, if they still choose to consume unhealthy food & drink they should be able to do so.


Midwest senatorial candidate, Fritz, has said this bill violates regions' rights. Don't you, as an RPP member, believe this bill violates regions' rights?

Regions can always implement school voucher programs if they do not like federal standards, or legislate stricter standards.

     That aside, if people demand it, the federal standards could be loosened, though I do not think this is an area where regions or the federal government really should be involved anyway. It just so happens that doing things this way might encourage higher private school enrollment.


How so?

If people think that the public school requirements are too draconian, they might seek alternative means of schooling. Then again, they might not. We would have to see what ultimately happens.


So, if I understand you correctly, you support this bill because it drives people away from the public school system, and not because it could potentially improve existing public schools?

 I dislike the public school system in principle. If we can take measures that encourage higher private school enrollment, I would be fine with that. That's not to say that that is my only consideration in this bill, but it is something that has crossed my mind.


Fair enough.

Alright, let's move on to the current election. First, how, in terms of governing style, will you be different from President Bgwah?


For one thing, I intend to be more hands-on than President Bgwah. I will frequently get involved in Senate debate, though I reserve the right to not take part in it. Still, I hope to be a voice for compromise where I think it willl be helpful.

I also plan to have more of an agenda than he does. I cannot remember any instance of a Senator introducing a bill at the request of President Bgwah, though I can remember that happening several times under President Moderate.

Furthermore, I plan to work with the GM to help introduce my agenda, with relevant stories, such as referring to increased efficiency in government offices. I will also encourage him to write articles about the effects of bills passed by the Senate.


What will be your top three priorities should you be elected?

In no particular order, they are:

1) Promoting freedom of the media in other countries,

2) Codifying the roles of appointed government officers,

3) Making the Game Manager more accountable to the Senate as well as to the President.


Before we conclude this interview, I would like to take a brief moment to discuss politics with you.

There is no doubt that you are one of the most influential members of the RPP at the moment. Just a few weeks ago, before the special senate election, you had four seats in the senate, tied with the DA for the plurality. The RPP candidate lost by a significant margin to the JCP candidate, then-AG Marokai, leaving you three seats. All are up for reelection currently.

Now, according to Senator Franzl's election tracker, you are behind. Not only that, but Hashemite, the DA candidate in the Northeast, has a large lead over RowanBrandon, the RPP candidate. Senator MasterJedi is currently tied with Fritz. The only race your party has the lead in is the southeast senate race. You're party could potentially be left with only one senate seat, not good news.

So, how do you feel about this?

And, as an influential RPP member, how will keep the party alive should a worst case scenario occur?

Finally, you are currently behind Lief, how do you feel about this?


     I am not worried currently. The RPP voter base has not yet begun to be mobilized. Also, the RPP & DA combined are close to the same size as the JCP. Furthermore, as the votes of sbane, Torie, Andy Jackson, bullmoose, & others have shown, I have the ability to appeal to voters who are not registered with any of the three major parties.

     As such, I have faith that I will emerge victorious, as will MasterJedi. I would also like RowanBrandon to enter the Senate, but it appears that this is not the season for that.

     Assuming a worst case scenario that sees NC Yankee as the only RPPer in federal office, I would suggest a back to basics approach. Focus on regions where we are already strong & make sure that we can win offices there. Also, looking forward to August, we should very easily pick up one, & possibly two Senate seats.


Thank you Senator and good luck!




Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Senator PiT
Post by: Purple State on June 18, 2009, 09:27:00 PM
Good interview. Especially fond of the last question, getting into the fun politics of the game.

I know I'm not part of any exciting races at the moment, but I'm always up for an interview.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Senator PiT
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 18, 2009, 09:28:50 PM
Good interview. Especially fond of the last question, getting into the fun politics of the game.

I know I'm not part of any exciting races at the moment, but I'm always up for an interview.

As am I :) This is shaping up to be an excellent newspaper, I'll admit to being pleasantly surprised.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Senator PiT
Post by: HappyWarrior on June 18, 2009, 10:10:01 PM
Good interview. Especially fond of the last question, getting into the fun politics of the game.

I know I'm not part of any exciting races at the moment, but I'm always up for an interview.

As am I.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Senator PiT
Post by: Vepres on June 18, 2009, 11:14:49 PM
Excellent!


In truth I am a little bit as well.

Well, I will be conducting an interview with somebody tomorrow (not a government official), but I would certainly like to interview all you senators, especially as things quiet down in the off season.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Senator PiT
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 18, 2009, 11:18:08 PM
Excellent!


In truth I am a little bit as well.

Well, I will be conducting an interview with somebody tomorrow (not a government official), but I would certainly like to interview all you senators, especially as things quiet down in the off season.

My PM box is always open! I promise to make plenty of controversial remarks to get you lots of traffic. :P


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Senator PiT
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 18, 2009, 11:38:54 PM
Excellent!


In truth I am a little bit as well.

Well, I will be conducting an interview with somebody tomorrow (not a government official), but I would certainly like to interview all you senators, especially as things quiet down in the off season.

My PM box is always open! I promise to make plenty of controversial remarks to get you lots of traffic. :P

Mine is open as well. I probably will generate some controversy as well especially with the ideas I am cooking up ;D .


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Senator PiT
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 18, 2009, 11:39:53 PM
Excellent!


In truth I am a little bit as well.

Well, I will be conducting an interview with somebody tomorrow (not a government official), but I would certainly like to interview all you senators, especially as things quiet down in the off season.

My PM box is always open! I promise to make plenty of controversial remarks to get you lots of traffic. :P

Mine is open as well. I probably will generate some controversy as well especially with the ideas I am cooking up ;D .

I look forward to hearing them :P


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Senator PiT
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on June 18, 2009, 11:43:01 PM
I could give a good humorous interview if people are up for a good laugh.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Senator PiT
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 18, 2009, 11:45:32 PM
I could give a good humorous interview if people are up for a good laugh.

How to Get A Girl In 10 Days
By Governor Duke


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Senator PiT
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on June 18, 2009, 11:54:41 PM
I could give a good humorous interview if people are up for a good laugh.

How to Get A Girl In 10 Days
By Governor Duke

10 days? I once proposed to a girl in 10 minutes.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Senator PiT
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 18, 2009, 11:56:35 PM
I could give a good humorous interview if people are up for a good laugh.

How to Get A Girl In 10 Days
By Governor Duke

10 days? I once proposed to a girl in 10 minutes.

How about proposing a concession in 10 miliseconds. I am getting tired ;)


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Senator PiT
Post by: Joe Republic on June 18, 2009, 11:59:55 PM
I could give a good humorous interview if people are up for a good laugh.

How to Get A Girl In 10 Days
By Governor Duke

10 days? I once proposed to a girl in 10 minutes.

Please don't hack other people's accounts, BushOklahoma.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Senator PiT
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 19, 2009, 12:02:09 AM
I could give a good humorous interview if people are up for a good laugh.

How to Get A Girl In 10 Days
By Governor Duke

10 days? I once proposed to a girl in 10 minutes.

Please don't hack other people's accounts, BushOklahoma.

Now that explains his last minute disorganized Write-in campaign against me. :D After all I did for him in the Special Election ;)


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Senator PiT
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on June 19, 2009, 12:03:14 AM
I could give a good humorous interview if people are up for a good laugh.

How to Get A Girl In 10 Days
By Governor Duke

10 days? I once proposed to a girl in 10 minutes.

Please don't hack other people's accounts, BushOklahoma.

LOL! You hit that one out of the park.

I could give a good humorous interview if people are up for a good laugh.

How to Get A Girl In 10 Days
By Governor Duke

10 days? I once proposed to a girl in 10 minutes.

Please don't hack other people's accounts, BushOklahoma.

Now that explains his last minute disorganized Write-in campaign against me. :D After all I did for him in the Special Election ;)

It's politics. If I lose, I'll simply switch parties and run again like my hero Arlen Specter! :D unless the Lord comes for his church before then.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Senator PiT
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 19, 2009, 12:12:58 AM
I could give a good humorous interview if people are up for a good laugh.

How to Get A Girl In 10 Days
By Governor Duke

10 days? I once proposed to a girl in 10 minutes.

Please don't hack other people's accounts, BushOklahoma.

LOL! You hit that one out of the park.

I could give a good humorous interview if people are up for a good laugh.

How to Get A Girl In 10 Days
By Governor Duke

10 days? I once proposed to a girl in 10 minutes.

Please don't hack other people's accounts, BushOklahoma.

Now that explains his last minute disorganized Write-in campaign against me. :D After all I did for him in the Special Election ;)

It's politics. If I lose, I'll simply switch parties and run again like my hero Arlen Specter! :D unless the Lord comes for his church before then.

Then I will be Pat Toomey. :D


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Vepres on June 19, 2009, 03:31:53 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel

Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
By Vepres

Around the time of his reelection, President Bgwah called for a new constitution and constitutional convention. He said, "I hope we can come up with something that will breathe new life into Atlasia." Fast forward to today, and the situation is far different. We have many active newbies, a competitive presidential election as well as three competitive senatorial elections. Our senate has been very active as well, passing over twenty bills in its time. There has been daily activity throughout Atlasia in recent times.

The one place where you don't see much activity, however, is the constitutional convention. I have been following the constitutional convention for some time now, and it occurred to me that they weren't getting much done, particularly in the past few weeks. They appeared to be mostly having theoretical discussions about this and that and the other thing. None of it seemed to really have the potential to take shape into anything concrete. Sure, they were drafting constitutions, but the convention itself seemed to be an after thought for most of the delegates. And even if they could finally draft something, I highly doubt it would survive through the public referendum process. Indeed, the two most prominent proposals mirrored European style democracy as opposed to American style democracy. I highly doubt that either of these proposals would be popular among the mostly American participants in Atlasia.

With this in mind, one has to ask himself: Is the convention really necessary? When asked if we needed a complete overhaul of the system, President Bgwah simply said, "No." When asked just today by the Atlasian Sentinel if he believes the constitutional convention is necessary, he, again, simply answered, "No."

What stimulates activity is the willingness of our elected officials and candidates to campaign, debate and pass laws, and encourage others to be active. If a region's governor is active, the region will be as well. e.g. Mideast Governor Inks.LWC. We should stop focusing on how to change the system and instead focus on getting active office holders and active campaigners.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 19, 2009, 04:10:14 PM
I've been thinking about this a lot recently, actually, and that's partly my reason for my serious drop in activity in the convention. I've been thinking that we should simply take the constitution we have now, make simple edits, compile all passed amendments into the Constitution, expand the Senate by perhaps 5 seats, shrink the regions to perhaps three, and just go from there, as opposed to an entirely new government.

I'm thinking more along the lines of the status-quo crowd in terms of retaining the government we have now, but changes are needed and our current system just isn't going to cut it. We need a lot of serious alterations and there have been so many changes over the years that it makes our current constitution clumsy and disorganized. I think the best way to do that is a constitutional convention, but perhaps myself and the delegates should re-think our approach.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Devilman88 on June 19, 2009, 04:12:14 PM
I've been thinking about this a lot recently, actually, and that's partly my reason for my serious drop in activity in the convention. I've been thinking that we should simply take the constitution we have now, make simple edits, compile all passed amendments into the Constitution, expand the Senate by perhaps 5 seats, shrink the regions to perhaps three, and just go from there, as opposed to an entirely new government.

I'm thinking more along the lines of the status-quo crowd in terms of retaining the government we have now, but changes are needed and our current system just isn't going to cut it. We need a lot of serious alterations and there have been so many changes over the years that it makes our current constitution clumsy and disorganized. I think the best way to do that is a constitutional convention, but perhaps myself and the delegates should re-think our approach.

Thats funny, I have been thinking the same thing.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Franzl on June 19, 2009, 04:21:03 PM
Hate to admit it....but I've also had similar thoughts.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on June 19, 2009, 04:22:20 PM
I'm inclined to agree with Marokai.  We really don't need a new Government; just some adjustments here and there.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 19, 2009, 04:34:04 PM
This proposal has been dead for about a month and a half basically, and I've been doing something thinking.

Activity in Atlasia has taken a jump, even though of course some of the activity is from The 25's, I think that an entirely new government has lost considerable support amongst the people and this convention's activity, including mine here, has dropped to a record low. As such, I think we need to re-think our approach. We still have considerable problems in Atlasia and the best way to fix them IS through this convention, but let's take our current system as our model and make some improvements here and there.

  • Take our current Constitution and combine it with all the passed Amendments so it's alot cleaner and more organized, and make some changes where necessary to deal with Regional Powers and other small areas, etc.
  • Reduce the number of regions to three, the simplest way could be to divide the Midwest and the Mideast between the Pacific, Southeast, and Northeast regions. This still keeps the mode of some of the current regions but improves the system a bit.
  • Expand the size of the Senate to 15, perhaps having two elected by each of the three new expanded (and consequently more active) regions, and the remaining six elected at-large.
  • Deal with issues revolving around the GM, such as putting the position in the Constitution or putting it's responsibilities into a new job reminiscent of my "Department of Economic Affairs" or something.
  • Fix other misc. problems such as Absentee voting, Presidential powers, or anything else we need to deal with.

We can do all of this within the framework of our current constitution without the need to build and entirely new government. So, if Lief is willing to hear me out, and PS is willing to possibly scrap and rebuild this proposal like we did with Presidential Universalism, I think we can fix Atlasia without building an entirely new house and get something we can all agree with.

Something I was thinking about and posted in the convention.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Vepres on June 19, 2009, 04:38:48 PM
This proposal has been dead for about a month and a half basically, and I've been doing something thinking.

Activity in Atlasia has taken a jump, even though of course some of the activity is from The 25's, I think that an entirely new government has lost considerable support amongst the people and this convention's activity, including mine here, has dropped to a record low. As such, I think we need to re-think our approach. We still have considerable problems in Atlasia and the best way to fix them IS through this convention, but let's take our current system as our model and make some improvements here and there.

  • Take our current Constitution and combine it with all the passed Amendments so it's alot cleaner and more organized, and make some changes where necessary to deal with Regional Powers and other small areas, etc.
  • Reduce the number of regions to three, the simplest way could be to divide the Midwest and the Mideast between the Pacific, Southeast, and Northeast regions. This still keeps the mode of some of the current regions but improves the system a bit.
  • Expand the size of the Senate to 15, perhaps having two elected by each of the three new expanded (and consequently more active) regions, and the remaining six elected at-large.
  • Deal with issues revolving around the GM, such as putting the position in the Constitution or putting it's responsibilities into a new job reminiscent of my "Department of Economic Affairs" or something.
  • Fix other misc. problems such as Absentee voting, Presidential powers, or anything else we need to deal with.

We can do all of this within the framework of our current constitution without the need to build and entirely new government. So, if Lief is willing to hear me out, and PS is willing to possibly scrap and rebuild this proposal like we did with Presidential Universalism, I think we can fix Atlasia without building an entirely new house and get something we can all agree with.

Something I was thinking about and posted in the convention.

That's actually a pretty good idea.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 19, 2009, 04:40:47 PM
I made a bit of a typo with how to elect Senators. It could be two from each region and 9 at-large. Or three from each region and 6 at-large. Sorry.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 19, 2009, 04:44:09 PM
I made a bit of a typo with how to elect Senators. It could be two from each region and 9 at-large. Or three from each region and 6 at-large. Sorry.

     9 at-large seems a little excessive to me for some reason. Never mind the inherent difficulty of passing a plan to reduce the number of regions.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 19, 2009, 04:46:07 PM
I made a bit of a typo with how to elect Senators. It could be two from each region and 9 at-large. Or three from each region and 6 at-large. Sorry.

     9 at-large seems a little excessive to me for some reason. Never mind the inherent difficulty of passing a plan to reduce the number of regions.

I think there are enough of us who support shrinking the regions in combination with those who support eliminating them. If we can join forces through some compromise I'm sure we could overcome those who support five regions, which has been pretty much, a failure.

I support regional governments, but even I can see five regions have led to a couple good regions, and a couple HORRIBLE regions.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 19, 2009, 04:46:08 PM
I will oppose any attempts to reduce the number of regions in Atlasia. I will compromise to 4 but 3 or less is impossible.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 19, 2009, 04:48:56 PM
     If we did four, we could have two Senators by each region, along with seven at-large. That would roughly approximate the current balance of regional vs. at-large in the Senate.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Purple State on June 19, 2009, 04:52:51 PM
I have also been thinking bout this, less because I don't believe massive reforms are needed and more because activity in the Convention has all but disappeared.

However, what I have come to realize is that, while national reform may not be necessary on a large scale, the regions are in dire need of reform. Can this be done by the regions? Should the federal government step in and push these reforms? The questions are complicated and likely elicit strong feeling by most people one way or the other.

The truth is, a movement of citizens dedicated to regional reform is necessary to enact the reforms necessary, including elected regional legislatures and clear constitutions. There is no need to reduce the number of regions so long as there remains sufficient and sustained activity by members. I am willing to help any region that wishes to revamp its constitution.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 19, 2009, 04:56:19 PM
I have also been thinking bout this, less because I don't believe massive reforms are needed and more because activity in the Convention has all but disappeared.

However, what I have come to realize is that, while national reform may not be necessary on a large scale, the regions are in dire need of reform. Can this be done by the regions? Should the federal government step in and push these reforms? The questions are complicated and likely elicit strong feeling by most people one way or the other.

The truth is, a movement of citizens dedicated to regional reform is necessary to enact the reforms necessary, including elected regional legislatures and clear constitutions. There is no need to reduce the number of regions so long as there remains sufficient and sustained activity by members. I am willing to help any region that wishes to revamp its constitution.

That's a big leap though. It takes a lot to get & keep a region active. Five regions is too large a number and does ultimately been a failure in the grand scheme of things. A smaller number of regions would increase activity and competition.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Purple State on June 19, 2009, 04:58:37 PM
     If we did four, we could have two Senators by each region, along with seven at-large. That would roughly approximate the current balance of regional vs. at-large in the Senate.

The issue doesn't seem to be national seats. There is barely competition for 10 Senators. Will there be any for 15?

How about we remove governors and lieutenant governors, create three person regional legislatures in every region that together form a House of Representatives and reduce the Senate to five.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 19, 2009, 04:59:50 PM
     If we did four, we could have two Senators by each region, along with seven at-large. That would roughly approximate the current balance of regional vs. at-large in the Senate.

The issue doesn't seem to be national seats. There is barely competition for 10 Senators. Will there be any for 15?

How about we remove governors and lieutenant governors, create three person regional legislatures in every region that together form a House of Representatives and reduce the Senate to five.

The idea of creating two houses in a new bicameral system seems unnecessary. If we allowed people to hold two offices (regional and federal) then that would solve the problem, since regional offices largely don't hold the same importance.

EDIT: Also, keep in mind the whole idea here is to try and work within the system we have now.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Vepres on June 19, 2009, 05:13:13 PM
I agree with Purple State, 15 is too big for legislature. I would like to return to the district system without ditching the at-large races. What if each region had a senator, the country was, every x months, divided into districts as close in population as possible, and the other four would be at-large. Senators could have a 6 month terms, but we would have senatorial elections every two months.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 19, 2009, 05:21:32 PM
Didn't we try districts before? We don't need to be too complicated here folks.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Vepres on June 19, 2009, 05:24:21 PM
Didn't we try districts before? We don't need to be too complicated here folks.

I wasn't around then, so I don't know how it turned out.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 19, 2009, 05:24:53 PM
Guys, regional Senate elections, as evidence by the ones currently happening, are boring and awful. Why do we want more of them again?


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Vepres on June 19, 2009, 05:29:27 PM
Guys, regional Senate elections, as evidence by the ones currently happening, are boring and awful. Why do we want more of them again?

If we had three regions, and then two per region, they will be far more competitive. If you had three regions, you would be far less likely to have ideological bastions like the Pacific and Southeast, thus resulting in more competitive elections.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 19, 2009, 05:35:28 PM
Guys, regional Senate elections, as evidence by the ones currently happening, are boring and awful. Why do we want more of them again?

Six months ago I might have agreed with you, but I think there are alot more people who would participate if given the chance and these elections aren't really unchallenged. The Mideast, Midwest, and Northeast each had at least two candidates for the seat. Duke ran for the Senate in the special election and probably would run for the Senate if there were other opportunities for him to do so. The Pacific is of course a special unfortunate case, but we would at least find more candidates, we have plenty of them.

The old canard of not being able to fill the spaces isn't so true now.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Ben Constine
Post by: Vepres on June 19, 2009, 05:36:09 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel

Interview With Ben Constine, Founder of Atlasians for Intelligent and Active Legislators
By Vepres


Today, June 19, I interviewed Ben Constine, the founder of Atlasians for Intelligent and Active Legislators.


Vepres: First I would like to thank you for allowing us to interview you.

On to the questions. The most notable thing you have done in Atlasia of late is start the "Atlasians for Intelligent and Active Legislators"(AIAL). Could you describe for our readers the organizations goals and how it will go about achieving those goals?

Ben: Thank you for agreeing to interview me.  I think The Sentinel is an excellent newspaper and I look forward to it having a long, healthy life.

The AIAL was founded to combat the trend of people joining and seeking office in Atlasia before they fully understood the concept, or the issues facing Atlasia.  Our primary goal is to ensure that the people elected to office in Atlasia, at both the Regional and National levels, are fully cognizant of the major problems in Atlasia, and have solutions to these problems.  I have found that far too often, candidates will run for office with little or no understanding of the issues in Atlasia, and run solely on platitudes.

We hope to achieve this goal in the most basic way possible: the ballot box.  We hope to elect officeholders throughout Atlasia, to all offices, who demonstrate an understanding of the issues in Atlasia.  This won’t be difficult to do, as the AIAL currently has 9 members, from across all Regions, with several more voters proclaiming sympathy to our goals.  We also count in our membership 1 incumbent Senator, 2 more apparent Senators-elect, and either another Senator, or the incoming Vice President.  Using the democratic process is, in my view, the most expedient way to achieve our goals.


Your organizations thread mentions activity, as in, you want to get active people elected to both the regional and national legislatures. How will you decide whether somebody is active enough our not?

I personally don’t believe that activity can be quantified into number of posts, or something like that.  My definition of “active” is someone who posts frequently in the Atlasia boards, votes in every, or almost every, election, and who posts substance, not just white noise.  But of course every person will have their own definition.


So how will the AIAL choose which candidates to endorse in any given race?

A week or so before each election, we will vote on which candidate to endorse in each race.  Whichever candidate gets the most votes in each race will gain the endorsement.  In the event of a tie in a two person race, no endorsement will be given.  If two people tie in a three or more candidate race, then we will vote on the top two candidates.


Was there a single event or set of events that prompted you to start the AIAL?

It was a series of events, so to speak.  For the last several months, people have been joining Atlasia and seeking office despite, in my view, not being qualified to run for Office.  Kyle Gordon’s Senate bid is a prime example of that.  The straw that broke the camels back for me was Garrison Porter’s most recent Presidential campaign, in which he once again avoided giving substantive answers, instead posting only platitudes and delusional comments about his opponents gossiping.


I assume that includes my and Tmthforu94's campaigns, no?

To an extent.  You and Tmthforu94 are, in my view, some of the better new people to join Atlasia; you’re both active and fairly well informed on the issues.  Some new people join Atlasia and are an asset, such as yourself and Purple State.  Others are not as successful, and they are the reason the AIAL was founded.


Do you support regional assemblies, and if so, will AIAL advocate for their creation?

I support regional assemblies if they will be active.  The Mideast Assembly has been very active, and it has propelled several of its members to higher office.  In some regions, though, such an Assembly would not increase activity.  AIAL will advocate regional assemblies in regions where they will be active.


Which of the four regions without assemblies do you think would most likely have an active legislature?

My guess would be the Pacific, but it’s hard to say.  I think, though, that the Midwest would be the least active.  I can’t be sure; I’d have to watch the debate unfold, and see how that went.  A large number of citizens took place in the Mideast debate; I’d watch for that type of activity.


Finally, before we end this, I would like to ask you about your future. Are you interested in running for any political office in the future?

It isn’t something I’ve thought much about, to be honest.  I’m barred from seeking office until September, so I haven’t entertained any notion of running again.  Eventually, I will probably make a political comeback, but for now, the AIAL has my total attention.


Thank you, and good luck with the AIAL!

Thank you very much for the interview, and best of luck to The Sentinel.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Purple State on June 19, 2009, 06:26:35 PM
How about this:

Reduce the Senate to 5 at-large Senators, making sure all elections to the more prestigious body are exciting.

Create a House, with 15 members, 3 max from each region, made up of 3 members from each regional legislature (if they exist) to incentivize regional constitutional reform and activity.

Abolish regional executive and judicial branch.

Require national legislation to pass both chambers. All financial legislation must originate in the Senate. Other legislation can only be in one chamber at a time, may be amended by each chamber respectively, first by the originating chamber, then by the other, and finally again by the originating before it must be passed by the second chamber as it stands.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Ben Constine
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 19, 2009, 06:28:36 PM
     Well, as time goes on, we may have regional legislatures with more than three members. I see that that could lead to additional election fun as certain members among them need to be elected to sit in the House of Representatives.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Ben Constine
Post by: bgwah on June 19, 2009, 06:29:33 PM
I like regional governments.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 19, 2009, 06:33:40 PM
How about this:

Reduce the Senate to 5 at-large Senators, making sure all elections to the more prestigious body are exciting.

Create a House, with 15 members, 3 max from each region, made up of 3 members from each regional legislature (if they exist) to incentivize regional constitutional reform and activity.

Abolish regional executive and judicial branch.

Require national legislation to pass both chambers. All financial legislation must originate in the Senate. Other legislation can only be in one chamber at a time, may be amended by each chamber respectively, first by the originating chamber, then by the other, and finally again by the originating before it must be passed by the second chamber as it stands.

Would that just make sure that we have 5 really exciting elections and 15 really boring ones? I think now we're just trying to change and complicate everything again and go back to previously rejected proposals. I proposed a back-to-the-basics idea so we could work within the framework of what we have now, not just come up with something else entirely new.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Ben Constine
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 19, 2009, 06:35:05 PM
How about this:

Reduce the Senate to 5 at-large Senators, making sure all elections to the more prestigious body are exciting.

Create a House, with 15 members, 3 max from each region, made up of 3 members from each regional legislature (if they exist) to incentivize regional constitutional reform and activity.

Abolish regional executive and judicial branch.

Require national legislation to pass both chambers. All financial legislation must originate in the Senate. Other legislation can only be in one chamber at a time, may be amended by each chamber respectively, first by the originating chamber, then by the other, and finally again by the originating before it must be passed by the second chamber as it stands.

You might as well abolish the regions all together then. Not on your life Senator. :)


As do I.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Ben Constine
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 19, 2009, 06:36:01 PM

Ditto.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Ben Constine
Post by: Purple State on June 19, 2009, 06:38:28 PM
     Well, as time goes on, we may have regional legislatures with more than three members. I see that that could lead to additional election fun as certain members among them need to be elected to sit in the House of Representatives.

Exactly.

And as an aside, excellent interview with Ben (although you may want to pace yourself before you run out of people ;) ). I also want to thank Ben for his little shout out there. I'm glad to be involved.

How about this:

Reduce the Senate to 5 at-large Senators, making sure all elections to the more prestigious body are exciting.

Create a House, with 15 members, 3 max from each region, made up of 3 members from each regional legislature (if they exist) to incentivize regional constitutional reform and activity.

Abolish regional executive and judicial branch.

Require national legislation to pass both chambers. All financial legislation must originate in the Senate. Other legislation can only be in one chamber at a time, may be amended by each chamber respectively, first by the originating chamber, then by the other, and finally again by the originating before it must be passed by the second chamber as it stands.

Would that just make sure that we have 5 really exciting elections and 15 really boring ones? I think now we're just trying to change and complicate everything again and go back to previously rejected proposals. I proposed a back-to-the-basics idea so we could work within the framework of what we have now, not just come up with something else entirely new.

Perhaps, but it would also free up people that hold high positions in the regions, such as justices, governors and lieutenant governors. My hope is that the regional legislatures are less competitive, sure, but also able to serve as an "introduction to Atlasia." It gets people involved in national politics, but forces them to do so through regional avenues. Also, regional legislatures with greater than three seats would have their own internal politics of who to send to the national level.

How about this:

Reduce the Senate to 5 at-large Senators, making sure all elections to the more prestigious body are exciting.

Create a House, with 15 members, 3 max from each region, made up of 3 members from each regional legislature (if they exist) to incentivize regional constitutional reform and activity.

Abolish regional executive and judicial branch.

Require national legislation to pass both chambers. All financial legislation must originate in the Senate. Other legislation can only be in one chamber at a time, may be amended by each chamber respectively, first by the originating chamber, then by the other, and finally again by the originating before it must be passed by the second chamber as it stands.

You might as well abolish the regions all together then. Not on your life Senator. :)


As do I.

There would still be regional governments, but they would also be involved in national politics. There would need to be provisions on how this triumvirate would work as a regional government, but that is up to the regions, isn't it?


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Ben Constine
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 19, 2009, 06:41:16 PM
How about this:

Reduce the Senate to 5 at-large Senators, making sure all elections to the more prestigious body are exciting.

Create a House, with 15 members, 3 max from each region, made up of 3 members from each regional legislature (if they exist) to incentivize regional constitutional reform and activity.

Abolish regional executive and judicial branch.

Require national legislation to pass both chambers. All financial legislation must originate in the Senate. Other legislation can only be in one chamber at a time, may be amended by each chamber respectively, first by the originating chamber, then by the other, and finally again by the originating before it must be passed by the second chamber as it stands.

Would that just make sure that we have 5 really exciting elections and 15 really boring ones? I think now we're just trying to change and complicate everything again and go back to previously rejected proposals. I proposed a back-to-the-basics idea so we could work within the framework of what we have now, not just come up with something else entirely new.

Perhaps, but it would also free up people that hold high positions in the regions, such as justices, governors and lieutenant governors. My hope is that the regional legislatures are less competitive, sure, but also able to serve as an "introduction to Atlasia." It gets people involved in national politics, but forces them to do so through regional avenues. Also, regional legislatures with greater than three seats would have their own internal politics of who to send to the national level.

But you're really turning regional governments into skeleton crews. There's no reason to abolish regional executive and/or judicial branches, if you want to solve the problem all we need to do is allow people to serve in regional positions as well as federal ones if they choose to run for the Senate.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Ben Constine
Post by: Vepres on June 19, 2009, 06:42:42 PM
And as an aside, excellent interview with Ben (although you may want to pace yourself before you run out of people ;) ). I also want to thank Ben for his little shout out there. I'm glad to be involved.

Well, I didn't want interview another person so soon, but Ben requested one concerning the AIAL, and as I believe in their cause, I wanted to help out.

Thanks for the compliment as well.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Ben Constine
Post by: Vepres on June 19, 2009, 06:45:21 PM
How about this:

Reduce the Senate to 5 at-large Senators, making sure all elections to the more prestigious body are exciting.

Create a House, with 15 members, 3 max from each region, made up of 3 members from each regional legislature (if they exist) to incentivize regional constitutional reform and activity.

Abolish regional executive and judicial branch.

Require national legislation to pass both chambers. All financial legislation must originate in the Senate. Other legislation can only be in one chamber at a time, may be amended by each chamber respectively, first by the originating chamber, then by the other, and finally again by the originating before it must be passed by the second chamber as it stands.

Would that just make sure that we have 5 really exciting elections and 15 really boring ones? I think now we're just trying to change and complicate everything again and go back to previously rejected proposals. I proposed a back-to-the-basics idea so we could work within the framework of what we have now, not just come up with something else entirely new.

Perhaps, but it would also free up people that hold high positions in the regions, such as justices, governors and lieutenant governors. My hope is that the regional legislatures are less competitive, sure, but also able to serve as an "introduction to Atlasia." It gets people involved in national politics, but forces them to do so through regional avenues. Also, regional legislatures with greater than three seats would have their own internal politics of who to send to the national level.

But you're really turning regional governments into skeleton crews. There's no reason to abolish regional executive and/or judicial branches, if you want to solve the problem all we need to do is allow people to serve in regional positions as well as federal ones if they choose to run for the Senate.

Or, what if the regional senators were also members of their regional assembly (if one exists). I say this because I don't personally like the idea of dual office holdings. Though my idea is basically the same thing, it eliminates electoral issues that could arise.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Ben Constine
Post by: Purple State on June 19, 2009, 07:23:28 PM
How about this:

Reduce the Senate to 5 at-large Senators, making sure all elections to the more prestigious body are exciting.

Create a House, with 15 members, 3 max from each region, made up of 3 members from each regional legislature (if they exist) to incentivize regional constitutional reform and activity.

Abolish regional executive and judicial branch.

Require national legislation to pass both chambers. All financial legislation must originate in the Senate. Other legislation can only be in one chamber at a time, may be amended by each chamber respectively, first by the originating chamber, then by the other, and finally again by the originating before it must be passed by the second chamber as it stands.

Would that just make sure that we have 5 really exciting elections and 15 really boring ones? I think now we're just trying to change and complicate everything again and go back to previously rejected proposals. I proposed a back-to-the-basics idea so we could work within the framework of what we have now, not just come up with something else entirely new.

Perhaps, but it would also free up people that hold high positions in the regions, such as justices, governors and lieutenant governors. My hope is that the regional legislatures are less competitive, sure, but also able to serve as an "introduction to Atlasia." It gets people involved in national politics, but forces them to do so through regional avenues. Also, regional legislatures with greater than three seats would have their own internal politics of who to send to the national level.

But you're really turning regional governments into skeleton crews. There's no reason to abolish regional executive and/or judicial branches, if you want to solve the problem all we need to do is allow people to serve in regional positions as well as federal ones if they choose to run for the Senate.

The problem is, prominent members would almost be guaranteed a seat on their regional Assembly. The races may be more competitive, but the results wouldn't be in doubt. Had this been allowed I would never have left the Speakership of the Mideast Assembly, Dan may not have joined the Assembly and wouldn't have gained enough prominence to (likely) become a Senator. You have to look at the domino effect. It takes an overhaul, not just a tweak.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Electoral Projections
Post by: Vepres on June 19, 2009, 07:28:37 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel

Election Projections, June '09
By Vepres

We have some projections, albeit obvious ones:

MaxQue will win the Pacific senate seat
NCYankee will win the Southeast senate seat
Hashemite will win the Northeast senate seat

Too close or too early to call:

The presidential race
The Mideast senate race (too early)
The Midwest senate race






Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on June 19, 2009, 08:20:47 PM
How about this:

Reduce the Senate to 5 at-large Senators, making sure all elections to the more prestigious body are exciting.

Create a House, with 15 members, 3 max from each region, made up of 3 members from each regional legislature (if they exist) to incentivize regional constitutional reform and activity.

Abolish regional executive and judicial branch.

Require national legislation to pass both chambers (agree). All financial legislation must originate in the Senate. Other legislation can only be in one chamber at a time, may be amended by each chamber respectively, first by the originating chamber, then by the other, and finally again by the originating before it must be passed by the second chamber as it stands (undecided).


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on June 19, 2009, 08:44:34 PM
Of course we need a new Constitution. But the Convention is no good. I said it would get bogged down with lots of nonsense, and it did.

Stay tuned...


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Electoral Projections
Post by: Brandon H on June 20, 2009, 11:53:38 AM
I would hate to see the regions eliminated. I could possibly accept shrinking to 4.

As far as a ban on dual office holding goes, I think we could add some flexibility, but not eliminate it altogether:
  • A person may not hold multiple offices in the same level of government (federal or regional).
  • A person may not hold multiple offices in the same branch of government, even in different levels. (Regional Governor and Federal Cabinet, or Regional Assembly and Federal Senate would not be allowed, but Federal Cabinet and Regional Assembly would be.)
  • A person may not serve as both a Regional Governor and a Federal Senator.
  • The President and Vice-President may not hold any other office.

 


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: More Election News
Post by: Vepres on June 20, 2009, 05:43:02 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel

More Election News
By Vepres

For all you Midwesterners out there, there is currently an election for lieutenant governor of our region.  Though it may be overshadowed by the current election, don't forget to vote.

On to the national election. We cannot project anymore elections, but we can give you the current layout of the senate.

Old Senate
DA: 4
RPP: 3
JCP: 3

New Senate
DA: 4
JCP: 3
RPP: 1
Ud: 2

Last one is undecided.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: More Election News
Post by: Purple State on June 21, 2009, 12:49:55 AM
Why does your "Old Senate" only have 9 members?

By the way, relating to the whole Constitution problem, I've offered a major Amendment for consideration by the Senate. Feel free to tear it apart. Seriously though, I invite you all to jump into the debate when MasterJedi opens up the thread in the Government board. You guys are allowed to post in those deliberations and this is an important Amendment (that you will all, hopefully, ge tot vote on).


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: More Election News
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 21, 2009, 03:57:22 AM
Why does your "Old Senate" only have 9 members?

By the way, relating to the whole Constitution problem, I've offered a major Amendment for consideration by the Senate. Feel free to tear it apart. Seriously though, I invite you all to jump into the debate when MasterJedi opens up the thread in the Government board. You guys are allowed to post in those deliberations and this is an important Amendment (that you will all, hopefully, ge tot vote on).

1. Ew.

2. We have a constitutional convention for these things, PS.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Јas on June 21, 2009, 09:06:54 AM
Guys, regional Senate elections, as evidence by the ones currently happening, are boring and awful. Why do we want more of them again?

^^^
Again, another series of tired, uncompetitive regional elections.
They haven't worked for years.

I don't like that there are so many safe seats in the Senate and I don't like systems which allow that to thrive.

Every PR-STV election so far has went down to the final minutes. Few candidates have been safe in those elections until late into balloting. By comparison, many of this weekend's races were effectively over before official polling began. -_-


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Vepres on June 21, 2009, 10:10:35 AM
Guys, regional Senate elections, as evidence by the ones currently happening, are boring and awful. Why do we want more of them again?

^^^
Again, another series of tired, uncompetitive regional elections.
They haven't worked for years.

I don't like that there are so many safe seats in the Senate and I don't like systems which allow that to thrive.

Every PR-STV election so far has went down to the final minutes. Few candidates have been safe in those elections until late into balloting. By comparison, many of this weekend's races were effectively over before official polling began. -_-

Our senate race is competitive, so not all are boring. The Mideast's would've been had Persepolis not been Ogis. The Northeast's would've also been competitive if Smid endorsed Ronan, the candidate from his party. Something needs to be done about the Southeast and Pacific. I think we should redraw the regions, reduced them to five, and draw them so there are no safe elections.

Edit: What about senatorial term limits? This would not only cycle newbies into the system but also prevent uncompetitive elections.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: A New Projection
Post by: Vepres on June 21, 2009, 10:12:02 AM
The Atlasian Sentinel

Dan Has Won the Mideast Senate Race
By Vepres

We can now project that Dan will win the Mideast senate race.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: More Election News
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 21, 2009, 11:04:37 AM
Why does your "Old Senate" only have 9 members?

By the way, relating to the whole Constitution problem, I've offered a major Amendment for consideration by the Senate. Feel free to tear it apart. Seriously though, I invite you all to jump into the debate when MasterJedi opens up the thread in the Government board. You guys are allowed to post in those deliberations and this is an important Amendment (that you will all, hopefully, ge tot vote on).

He forgot one of the JCP Senators. It should be 4-3-3.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Purple State on June 21, 2009, 11:08:02 AM
Edit: What about senatorial term limits? This would not only cycle newbies into the system but also prevent uncompetitive elections.

What would Senators who are term-limited do? Perhaps a consecutive term limit? So after sitting one out they can then run in the one two months later.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Јas on June 21, 2009, 01:39:46 PM
Guys, regional Senate elections, as evidence by the ones currently happening, are boring and awful. Why do we want more of them again?

^^^
Again, another series of tired, uncompetitive regional elections.
They haven't worked for years.

I don't like that there are so many safe seats in the Senate and I don't like systems which allow that to thrive.

Every PR-STV election so far has went down to the final minutes. Few candidates have been safe in those elections until late into balloting. By comparison, many of this weekend's races were effectively over before official polling began. -_-

Our senate race is competitive, so not all are boring. The Mideast's would've been had Persepolis not been Ogis. The Northeast's would've also been competitive if Smid endorsed Ronan, the candidate from his party. Something needs to be done about the Southeast and Pacific. I think we should redraw the regions, reduced them to five, and draw them so there are no safe elections.

Edit: What about senatorial term limits? This would not only cycle newbies into the system but also prevent uncompetitive elections.

Yes, the Midwestern race is competitive. That's 1 of 5. IMO, that's not good enough.
If you review the election results in regional (and district elections) for the past couple of years, you'll find that that's about average. (I'd also bear in mind that Fritz entered the race ostensibly for the purpose of having a proper election.)

I disagree with your analysis of the Mideastern and Northeastern elections. Given the declared candidates, neither race was ever likely to be competitive. Your analysis in the Northeast is, I think,  particularly wide of the mark as I'd suggest that Smid runs far ahead of his party there, as indeed he would in just about every region. Few other RPPers could get close to winning there.

On Senatorial term-limits, I would suggest that that would only exacerbate the problem of uncompetitive elections as you're simply reducing the likely number of competitors.

Thereis nothing you can do about the Southeast or Pacific - they are one party regions. The Pacific having been so for quite some time now; the Southeast having slowly seen its non-RPP membership scuttle off into anonymity. The idea that reducing the number of regions will solve anything seems to me to be flawed - it admits that the current set-up isn't working but presumes a small increase in population will revive activity. However, there is no relationship as things stand between the population of the various regions and their activity levels. The regions have failed both as a system of government and as a basis for allowing competitive elections to the Senate.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: More Election News
Post by: Purple State on June 21, 2009, 01:46:43 PM
I agree with most of what Jas said, which is why I believe that the more important reform for the game is regional. There needs to be a change in the way the regions function to ensure that people actually care about having an active region.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Vepres on June 21, 2009, 05:40:57 PM
Guys, regional Senate elections, as evidence by the ones currently happening, are boring and awful. Why do we want more of them again?

^^^
Again, another series of tired, uncompetitive regional elections.
They haven't worked for years.

I don't like that there are so many safe seats in the Senate and I don't like systems which allow that to thrive.

Every PR-STV election so far has went down to the final minutes. Few candidates have been safe in those elections until late into balloting. By comparison, many of this weekend's races were effectively over before official polling began. -_-

Our senate race is competitive, so not all are boring. The Mideast's would've been had Persepolis not been Ogis. The Northeast's would've also been competitive if Smid endorsed Ronan, the candidate from his party. Something needs to be done about the Southeast and Pacific. I think we should redraw the regions, reduced them to five, and draw them so there are no safe elections.

Edit: What about senatorial term limits? This would not only cycle newbies into the system but also prevent uncompetitive elections.

Yes, the Midwestern race is competitive. That's 1 of 5. IMO, that's not good enough.
If you review the election results in regional (and district elections) for the past couple of years, you'll find that that's about average. (I'd also bear in mind that Fritz entered the race ostensibly for the purpose of having a proper election.)

I disagree with your analysis of the Mideastern and Northeastern elections. Given the declared candidates, neither race was ever likely to be competitive. Your analysis in the Northeast is, I think,  particularly wide of the mark as I'd suggest that Smid runs far ahead of his party there, as indeed he would in just about every region. Few other RPPers could get close to winning there.

On Senatorial term-limits, I would suggest that that would only exacerbate the problem of uncompetitive elections as you're simply reducing the likely number of competitors.

Thereis nothing you can do about the Southeast or Pacific - they are one party regions. The Pacific having been so for quite some time now; the Southeast having slowly seen its non-RPP membership scuttle off into anonymity. The idea that reducing the number of regions will solve anything seems to me to be flawed - it admits that the current set-up isn't working but presumes a small increase in population will revive activity. However, there is no relationship as things stand between the population of the various regions and their activity levels. The regions have failed both as a system of government and as a basis for allowing competitive elections to the Senate.

I'm newer, so I wouldn't know that Smid was more electable.

Anyway, let's say we completely redrew the regions so that there were only three with roughly a 33:33:33 ratio of moderates, conservatives/libertarians, and liberals.

Besides, the only alternative to regions is a European-like system (which I personally hate the whole concept of a parliamentarian system, but that's another debate) as there wouldn't be enough positions for newbies in our current system without regionalism.

If we decrease the number of regions to 3, and perhaps decentralize our government so the regions have more power, than regional elections would matter more. For example, education should be more of a regional responsibility than a federal one as it is in real life.


Why does your "Old Senate" only have 9 members?

By the way, relating to the whole Constitution problem, I've offered a major Amendment for consideration by the Senate. Feel free to tear it apart. Seriously though, I invite you all to jump into the debate when MasterJedi opens up the thread in the Government board. You guys are allowed to post in those deliberations and this is an important Amendment (that you will all, hopefully, ge tot vote on).

He forgot one of the JCP Senators. It should be 4-3-3.

Indeed I did, fixed.

I confused the pre-Marokai senate numbers with the post-Marokai ones.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Regional Elections Tracker
Post by: Vepres on June 21, 2009, 05:57:25 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel

Regional Elections Update
By Vepres

As you may or may not know, two regions are having elections other than the senatorial elections. The Midwest has its race for the lieutenant governor, and the Southeast has two initiatives. One prohibits the use of cameras for the purpose of catching drivers breaking speed limits or traffic signals. The other removed speed limits for divided highways in rural areas. What constitutes rural and non-rural is up to the region's government. It would still allow officers to arrest people for reckless driving.

Current Tallies


Midwest Lt. Gov.
GMantis: 2
Vepres: 2
Randy Jones' Salad Bar: 2
ilikeverin: 1

Southeast Traffic Photo Enforcement Ban Initiative

Aye: 6
Nay: 0

Southeast Speed Limit Modification Act Initiative

Aye: 5
Nay: 1

Update: The Northeast voting booth has also opened. The current elections are governor and lieutenant governor. Nobody has voted, so no point in giving numbers.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Regional Elections Update
Post by: Purple State on June 21, 2009, 06:08:41 PM
I just want to publicize a constitutional amendment I have introduced in the Senate here (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=97801.msg2042922#msg2042922). Because of the wide-scale changes this would create in our system of government, we really need to hear from all citizens before we pass anything on to a public referendum. Post in the thread and air your thoughts, suggestions, etc.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=97801.msg2042922#msg2042922


Quote
Constitutional Revampification Amendment

Article I, Section 1 shall hereby read as follows:
Quote
1. The Senate shall be composed of five Senators, each with a term of four months. The Senators shall be elected by At-Large bids.
2. No Person shall be a Senator who has not attained two-hundred fifty or more posts, and is not a registered voter in Atlasia for a period greater than one month.
3. The Vice President of the Republic of Atlasia shall be the President of the Senate, but shall have no vote unless they be equally divided.
4. The Senate shall choose their other officers, and also a President pro tempore, who shall act as President of the Senate in the absence of the Vice President.

The following shall be included in Article I as Section 2: The House, with subsequent sections renumbered accordingly:
Quote
1. The House shall be composed of a maximum of fifteen Representatives, each with a term of one month, evenly distributed among the regions to the nearest whole number. The representatives shall be elected from among the members of the regional legislatures according to the laws of each region.
2. No Person shall be a Representative who has not attained one hundred or more posts, and is not a registered voter and elected legislator in the Region that they represent.
3. The House shall choose their other officers, and also a Speaker of the House, who shall be responsible for chairing debate that occurs within the House and for managing every day business.

Article I, Section 5 shall hereby be renumbered Section 4 and read as follows:
Quote
Section 3: Congressional Rules and Legislation
1. The separate chambers of Congress may establish their own rules of procedure, and with the concurrence of two-thirds of its number, respectively, may expel a member of the same chamber.
2. Each chamber shall have fulfilled a quorum if a majority of its members are capable of discharging their offices and sworn into office. A quorum in each chamber shall have voted on any Resolution, Bill, Impeachment or Constitutional Amendment for it to be considered valid.
3. For any Bill or Resolution to pass the Congress, it shall have gained a majority in a valid vote in each respective chamber. Before the Bill or Resolution becomes Law, it shall be presented to the PPT, Speaker, and sponsors of the Bill or Resolution from each chamber for conference, unless it be concerning the rules for the proceedings of a chamber. Upon resolution of any differences between the separate versions of legislation, the Bill or Resolution shall be returned to both chambers for approval. If passed by both chambers separately, the revised Bill or Resolution shall then be presented to the President of the Republic of Atlasia. If the President approves, he shall sign it, and it shall become Law. If the President does not approve, he shall return the Bill with his objections to the Congress, and it shall not become Law. Upon reconsidering the Bill, if each chamber shall approve the legislation by two-thirds of its number, it shall become Law. If a Bill is not returned to the Congress by the President within seven days after it shall have been presented to him, it shall become Law regardless.

Article I, Section 4 shall hereby be renumbered Section 5 and read as follows:
Quote
1. Elections for the seats in the Senate shall be held in the months of February, June and October.
2. Elections shall be held from midnight Eastern Standard Time on the second to last Friday of a given month and shall conclude exactly 72 hours later.
3. If a vacancy shall occur in a Senate seat, then a special election shall be called to fill the remainder of the vacated term within one week of the vacancy occurring; Such special election shall be held from midnight Eastern Standard Time on a Friday and shall conclude exactly 72 hours later. However, if a vacancy shall occur when there is a person due to assume that office within two weeks, then no special election shall be necessary.
4. The Senate shall have necessary power to determine regulations for the procedure of and the form of Senate elections and shall have necessary power to determine a procedure for declaration of candidacy for such elections. All elections to the Senate shall be by public post.
5. Those elected in ordinary elections to the Senate shall take office at noon Eastern Standard Time on the first Friday in the month after their election. Those elected in special elections to the Senate shall take office as soon as the result of their election has been formally declared.

All instances of the words "Senate" or "Senator(s)" in Article I, Sections 5 and 6 shall hereby read "Congress" or "Congressmen," respectively.

Article I, Section 8 is hereby removed.

Article IV shall hereby read as follows:
Quote
Section 1: Regional Government
1. The Regions may elect a Governor as chief executive officer, and may establish other executive posts as they wish, however no executive member may be elected for a term of more than six months.
2. A Region may establish a legislature for itself to make proper laws and electoral procedures.
3. A Region may establish a judiciary for itself; However, if they choose not to, the federal Supreme Court shall arbitrate in all election disputes, but only insofar as Regional Law may provide.
4. Regions are autonomous of the federal government and may govern themselves and their elections as they wish, except where otherwise provided for in this Constitution.

Section 2: Regional Boundaries
1. The Regions shall be drawn up by the Senate and approved by the House.
2. The Senate may redraw the Regional Boundaries in the months of January and July without consent of the Regions, any other time consent is required by the region(s) being changed.
3. In the event that a new State joins the Republic of Atlasia, the Senate may apportion this State to a Region via proper legislation, however, the State shall still be liable to all the provisions of this Article.
 
Section 3: Supremacy Clause and Restriction on Federal Government
This Constitution and the Laws of the Republic of Atlasia which shall be made in Pursuance thereof, shall be the Supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every Region shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or Laws of any Region to the contrary notwithstanding.
The powers not delegated to the Republic of Atlasia by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the Regions, are reserved to the Regions respectively, or to the people.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Regional Elections Update
Post by: Vepres on June 21, 2009, 06:17:13 PM
I just want to publicize a constitutional amendment I have introduced in the Senate here (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=97801.msg2042922#msg2042922). Because of the wide-scale changes this would create in our system of government, we really need to hear from all citizens before we pass anything on to a public referendum. Post in the thread and air your thoughts, suggestions, etc.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=97801.msg2042922#msg2042922


Quote
Constitutional Revampification Amendment

Article I, Section 1 shall hereby read as follows:
Quote
1. The Senate shall be composed of five Senators, each with a term of four months. The Senators shall be elected by At-Large bids.
2. No Person shall be a Senator who has not attained two-hundred fifty or more posts, and is not a registered voter in Atlasia for a period greater than one month.
3. The Vice President of the Republic of Atlasia shall be the President of the Senate, but shall have no vote unless they be equally divided.
4. The Senate shall choose their other officers, and also a President pro tempore, who shall act as President of the Senate in the absence of the Vice President.

The following shall be included in Article I as Section 2: The House, with subsequent sections renumbered accordingly:
Quote
1. The House shall be composed of a maximum of fifteen Representatives, each with a term of one month, evenly distributed among the regions to the nearest whole number. The representatives shall be elected from among the members of the regional legislatures according to the laws of each region.
2. No Person shall be a Representative who has not attained one hundred or more posts, and is not a registered voter and elected legislator in the Region that they represent.
3. The House shall choose their other officers, and also a Speaker of the House, who shall be responsible for chairing debate that occurs within the House and for managing every day business.

Article I, Section 5 shall hereby be renumbered Section 4 and read as follows:
Quote
Section 3: Congressional Rules and Legislation
1. The separate chambers of Congress may establish their own rules of procedure, and with the concurrence of two-thirds of its number, respectively, may expel a member of the same chamber.
2. Each chamber shall have fulfilled a quorum if a majority of its members are capable of discharging their offices and sworn into office. A quorum in each chamber shall have voted on any Resolution, Bill, Impeachment or Constitutional Amendment for it to be considered valid.
3. For any Bill or Resolution to pass the Congress, it shall have gained a majority in a valid vote in each respective chamber. Before the Bill or Resolution becomes Law, it shall be presented to the PPT, Speaker, and sponsors of the Bill or Resolution from each chamber for conference, unless it be concerning the rules for the proceedings of a chamber. Upon resolution of any differences between the separate versions of legislation, the Bill or Resolution shall be returned to both chambers for approval. If passed by both chambers separately, the revised Bill or Resolution shall then be presented to the President of the Republic of Atlasia. If the President approves, he shall sign it, and it shall become Law. If the President does not approve, he shall return the Bill with his objections to the Congress, and it shall not become Law. Upon reconsidering the Bill, if each chamber shall approve the legislation by two-thirds of its number, it shall become Law. If a Bill is not returned to the Congress by the President within seven days after it shall have been presented to him, it shall become Law regardless.

Article I, Section 4 shall hereby be renumbered Section 5 and read as follows:
Quote
1. Elections for the seats in the Senate shall be held in the months of February, June and October.
2. Elections shall be held from midnight Eastern Standard Time on the second to last Friday of a given month and shall conclude exactly 72 hours later.
3. If a vacancy shall occur in a Senate seat, then a special election shall be called to fill the remainder of the vacated term within one week of the vacancy occurring; Such special election shall be held from midnight Eastern Standard Time on a Friday and shall conclude exactly 72 hours later. However, if a vacancy shall occur when there is a person due to assume that office within two weeks, then no special election shall be necessary.
4. The Senate shall have necessary power to determine regulations for the procedure of and the form of Senate elections and shall have necessary power to determine a procedure for declaration of candidacy for such elections. All elections to the Senate shall be by public post.
5. Those elected in ordinary elections to the Senate shall take office at noon Eastern Standard Time on the first Friday in the month after their election. Those elected in special elections to the Senate shall take office as soon as the result of their election has been formally declared.

All instances of the words "Senate" or "Senator(s)" in Article I, Sections 5 and 6 shall hereby read "Congress" or "Congressmen," respectively.

Article I, Section 8 is hereby removed.

Article IV shall hereby read as follows:
Quote
Section 1: Regional Government
1. The Regions may elect a Governor as chief executive officer, and may establish other executive posts as they wish, however no executive member may be elected for a term of more than six months.
2. A Region may establish a legislature for itself to make proper laws and electoral procedures.
3. A Region may establish a judiciary for itself; However, if they choose not to, the federal Supreme Court shall arbitrate in all election disputes, but only insofar as Regional Law may provide.
4. Regions are autonomous of the federal government and may govern themselves and their elections as they wish, except where otherwise provided for in this Constitution.

Section 2: Regional Boundaries
1. The Regions shall be drawn up by the Senate and approved by the House.
2. The Senate may redraw the Regional Boundaries in the months of January and July without consent of the Regions, any other time consent is required by the region(s) being changed.
3. In the event that a new State joins the Republic of Atlasia, the Senate may apportion this State to a Region via proper legislation, however, the State shall still be liable to all the provisions of this Article.
 
Section 3: Supremacy Clause and Restriction on Federal Government
This Constitution and the Laws of the Republic of Atlasia which shall be made in Pursuance thereof, shall be the Supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every Region shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or Laws of any Region to the contrary notwithstanding.
The powers not delegated to the Republic of Atlasia by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the Regions, are reserved to the Regions respectively, or to the people.

If this passed, do you think the constitutional convention be shut down? I don't think we can support a twenty member congress. What if the house was 10 members? That would be more reasonable.

I like that regions can be redone, so a region like, say, the Pacific can be made more competitive.

The Sentinel (I) will be following and subsequently writing about the debate in the senate concerning this.

By the way, if anybody would like to write an opinion article about this amendment or anything else in Atlasia, feel free to ask me to put it in the Sentinel.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Regional Elections Update
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 21, 2009, 06:23:49 PM
I support having a 10 member House. Maybe elected the 5 Senators based on Regions, and have a 10 member house elected based on STV (or better yet, MMP) with 2 month terms.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Regional Elections Update
Post by: Vepres on June 21, 2009, 06:25:45 PM
I support having a 10 member House. Maybe elected the 5 Senators based on Regions, and have a 10 member house elected based on STV (or better yet, MMP) with 2 month terms.

What's MMP?


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Regional Elections Update
Post by: Purple State on June 21, 2009, 06:27:07 PM
The Convention is governed by the delegates. If a delegate was to bring a motion calling for the closure of the Convention, it would require the delegates to vote to close it down. However, I have long believed that the actions of the Convention should have no bearing on our actions in the Senate and regions. We should work to revamp the game as best we can until a new Constitution is ratified (if that even happens).

I wouldn't mind reducing the number in the House to 10 max, distributed evenly among the regions to the nearest whole number (so 5 regions would be two each, 4 regions 2 each, 3 regions 3 each, etc.). Feel free to offer your recommendations and ideas in the debate in the thread in the Senate. You are all allowed to post there and we want the input.

I support having a 10 member House. Maybe elected the 5 Senators based on Regions, and have a 10 member house elected based on STV (or better yet, MMP) with 2 month terms.

The STV Senate elections are the more exciting ones. I would rather retain those and allow the House to be more regional. This both prompts regions to create legislatures, but also gives regions the flexibility to decide how its legislators are chosen to represent them in the House.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Regional Elections Update
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 21, 2009, 06:32:08 PM
The Convention is governed by the delegates. If a delegate was to bring a motion calling for the closure of the Convention, it would require the delegates to vote to close it down. However, I have long believed that the actions of the Convention should have no bearing on our actions in the Senate and regions. We should work to revamp the game as best we can until a new Constitution is ratified (if that even happens).

I wouldn't mind reducing the number in the House to 10 max, distributed evenly among the regions to the nearest whole number (so 5 regions would be two each, 4 regions 2 each, 3 regions 3 each, etc.). Feel free to offer your recommendations and ideas in the debate in the thread in the Senate. You are all allowed to post there and we want the input.

I support having a 10 member House. Maybe elected the 5 Senators based on Regions, and have a 10 member house elected based on STV (or better yet, MMP) with 2 month terms.

The STV Senate elections are the more exciting ones. I would rather retain those and allow the House to be more regional. This both prompts regions to create legislatures, but also gives regions the flexibility to decide how its legislators are chosen to represent them in the House.

I was just thinking that upper houses are usually more reflective of regional interests.


I support having a 10 member House. Maybe elected the 5 Senators based on Regions, and have a 10 member house elected based on STV (or better yet, MMP) with 2 month terms.

What's MMP?

Mixed Member PR. Actually, that's just stupid now that I think of it. A simple PR system would be better. The parties have lists, and we vote for the parties, or perhaps a candidate of the party we choose.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Regional Elections Update
Post by: Purple State on June 21, 2009, 06:33:50 PM
The Convention is governed by the delegates. If a delegate was to bring a motion calling for the closure of the Convention, it would require the delegates to vote to close it down. However, I have long believed that the actions of the Convention should have no bearing on our actions in the Senate and regions. We should work to revamp the game as best we can until a new Constitution is ratified (if that even happens).

I wouldn't mind reducing the number in the House to 10 max, distributed evenly among the regions to the nearest whole number (so 5 regions would be two each, 4 regions 2 each, 3 regions 3 each, etc.). Feel free to offer your recommendations and ideas in the debate in the thread in the Senate. You are all allowed to post there and we want the input.

I support having a 10 member House. Maybe elected the 5 Senators based on Regions, and have a 10 member house elected based on STV (or better yet, MMP) with 2 month terms.

The STV Senate elections are the more exciting ones. I would rather retain those and allow the House to be more regional. This both prompts regions to create legislatures, but also gives regions the flexibility to decide how its legislators are chosen to represent them in the House.

I was just thinking that upper houses are usually more reflective of regional interests.

Because of the nature and size of the game, the more prestigious house should be the one subject to national approval and a rigorous election process.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Regional Elections Update
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 21, 2009, 06:40:36 PM
The Convention is governed by the delegates. If a delegate was to bring a motion calling for the closure of the Convention, it would require the delegates to vote to close it down. However, I have long believed that the actions of the Convention should have no bearing on our actions in the Senate and regions. We should work to revamp the game as best we can until a new Constitution is ratified (if that even happens).

I wouldn't mind reducing the number in the House to 10 max, distributed evenly among the regions to the nearest whole number (so 5 regions would be two each, 4 regions 2 each, 3 regions 3 each, etc.). Feel free to offer your recommendations and ideas in the debate in the thread in the Senate. You are all allowed to post there and we want the input.

I support having a 10 member House. Maybe elected the 5 Senators based on Regions, and have a 10 member house elected based on STV (or better yet, MMP) with 2 month terms.

The STV Senate elections are the more exciting ones. I would rather retain those and allow the House to be more regional. This both prompts regions to create legislatures, but also gives regions the flexibility to decide how its legislators are chosen to represent them in the House.

I was just thinking that upper houses are usually more reflective of regional interests.

Because of the nature and size of the game, the more prestigious house should be the one subject to national approval and a rigorous election process.

It's not a big deal, really. I support your idea over what we have now.

I once had an idea for a 15 seat Senate where 5 seats would be by district, 5 seats by region and 5 seats by STV/PR. I miss the District days, only because re-districting was a fun part of the game, even though they were uncompetitive.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Regional Elections Update
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on June 21, 2009, 07:04:28 PM
I just want to publicize a constitutional amendment I have introduced in the Senate here (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=97801.msg2042922#msg2042922). Because of the wide-scale changes this would create in our system of government, we really need to hear from all citizens before we pass anything on to a public referendum. Post in the thread and air your thoughts, suggestions, etc.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=97801.msg2042922#msg2042922

Thank you, but what thread are you referring to? This one, or the thread where the amendment is being debated?


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Regional Elections Update
Post by: Purple State on June 21, 2009, 07:06:42 PM
I just want to publicize a constitutional amendment I have introduced in the Senate here (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=97801.msg2042922#msg2042922). Because of the wide-scale changes this would create in our system of government, we really need to hear from all citizens before we pass anything on to a public referendum. Post in the thread and air your thoughts, suggestions, etc.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=97801.msg2042922#msg2042922

Thank you, but what thread are you referring to? This one, or the thread where the amendment is being debated?

I think it would be best to ost your thoughts where the amendment is being debated to ensure that we keep everything as centralized in one thread as possible, but if you post it here I am likely to see it as well and pass it along to the Senate.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Regional Elections Update
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 21, 2009, 07:06:50 PM
I just want to publicize a constitutional amendment I have introduced in the Senate here (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=97801.msg2042922#msg2042922). Because of the wide-scale changes this would create in our system of government, we really need to hear from all citizens before we pass anything on to a public referendum. Post in the thread and air your thoughts, suggestions, etc.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=97801.msg2042922#msg2042922

Thank you, but what thread are you referring to? This one, or the thread where the amendment is being debated?
I believe he means the link he posted at the end of the message. This is a newspaper, not a debating thread. :)


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Regional Elections Update
Post by: Vepres on June 21, 2009, 07:12:34 PM
I just want to publicize a constitutional amendment I have introduced in the Senate here (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=97801.msg2042922#msg2042922). Because of the wide-scale changes this would create in our system of government, we really need to hear from all citizens before we pass anything on to a public referendum. Post in the thread and air your thoughts, suggestions, etc.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=97801.msg2042922#msg2042922

Thank you, but what thread are you referring to? This one, or the thread where the amendment is being debated?
I believe he means the link he posted at the end of the message. This is a newspaper, not a debating thread. :)

Though I am glad it is stimulating debate.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Regional Elections Update
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 21, 2009, 07:14:41 PM
I just want to publicize a constitutional amendment I have introduced in the Senate here (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=97801.msg2042922#msg2042922). Because of the wide-scale changes this would create in our system of government, we really need to hear from all citizens before we pass anything on to a public referendum. Post in the thread and air your thoughts, suggestions, etc.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=97801.msg2042922#msg2042922

Thank you, but what thread are you referring to? This one, or the thread where the amendment is being debated?
I believe he means the link he posted at the end of the message. This is a newspaper, not a debating thread. :)

Though I am glad it is stimulating debate.
My personal thoughts...(I'll write something up later probably and post it in the official thread for it)
It could potentially confuse a lot of people. I think we should allow plenty of time for people to understand it. I would recommend it taking effect on Jan. 1, 2010, so people won't have an excuse for being confused.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Regional Elections Update
Post by: Vepres on June 21, 2009, 07:28:18 PM
I just want to publicize a constitutional amendment I have introduced in the Senate here (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=97801.msg2042922#msg2042922). Because of the wide-scale changes this would create in our system of government, we really need to hear from all citizens before we pass anything on to a public referendum. Post in the thread and air your thoughts, suggestions, etc.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=97801.msg2042922#msg2042922

Thank you, but what thread are you referring to? This one, or the thread where the amendment is being debated?
I believe he means the link he posted at the end of the message. This is a newspaper, not a debating thread. :)

Though I am glad it is stimulating debate.
My personal thoughts...(I'll write something up later probably and post it in the official thread for it)
It could potentially confuse a lot of people. I think we should allow plenty of time for people to understand it. I would recommend it taking effect on Jan. 1, 2010, so people won't have an excuse for being confused.

Well, a public awareness campaign by the government as well as the Sentinel's coverage should be sufficient.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Regional Elections Update
Post by: Purple State on June 21, 2009, 07:33:41 PM
I just want to publicize a constitutional amendment I have introduced in the Senate here (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=97801.msg2042922#msg2042922). Because of the wide-scale changes this would create in our system of government, we really need to hear from all citizens before we pass anything on to a public referendum. Post in the thread and air your thoughts, suggestions, etc.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=97801.msg2042922#msg2042922

Thank you, but what thread are you referring to? This one, or the thread where the amendment is being debated?
I believe he means the link he posted at the end of the message. This is a newspaper, not a debating thread. :)

Though I am glad it is stimulating debate.
My personal thoughts...(I'll write something up later probably and post it in the official thread for it)
It could potentially confuse a lot of people. I think we should allow plenty of time for people to understand it. I would recommend it taking effect on Jan. 1, 2010, so people won't have an excuse for being confused.

Well, a public awareness campaign by the government as well as the Sentinel's coverage should be sufficient.

I think a delay clause would be appropriate, possibly to the next presidential election, to ensure that people know what's going on and we allow the regional offices which are eliminated to serve out their terms. It would also give the regions time to reform their constitutions in anticipation of the offices they will likely want to fill.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Regional Elections Update
Post by: Vepres on June 21, 2009, 07:40:57 PM
I just want to publicize a constitutional amendment I have introduced in the Senate here (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=97801.msg2042922#msg2042922). Because of the wide-scale changes this would create in our system of government, we really need to hear from all citizens before we pass anything on to a public referendum. Post in the thread and air your thoughts, suggestions, etc.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=97801.msg2042922#msg2042922

Thank you, but what thread are you referring to? This one, or the thread where the amendment is being debated?
I believe he means the link he posted at the end of the message. This is a newspaper, not a debating thread. :)

Though I am glad it is stimulating debate.
My personal thoughts...(I'll write something up later probably and post it in the official thread for it)
It could potentially confuse a lot of people. I think we should allow plenty of time for people to understand it. I would recommend it taking effect on Jan. 1, 2010, so people won't have an excuse for being confused.

Well, a public awareness campaign by the government as well as the Sentinel's coverage should be sufficient.

I think a delay clause would be appropriate, possibly to the next presidential election, to ensure that people know what's going on and we allow the regional offices which are eliminated to serve out their terms. It would also give the regions time to reform their constitutions in anticipation of the offices they will likely want to fill.

I see a problem. If there is no regional legislature, will they get no representatives? Or will they be decided by public vote?


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Regional Elections Update
Post by: Barnes on June 21, 2009, 07:43:10 PM
I just want to publicize a constitutional amendment I have introduced in the Senate here (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=97801.msg2042922#msg2042922). Because of the wide-scale changes this would create in our system of government, we really need to hear from all citizens before we pass anything on to a public referendum. Post in the thread and air your thoughts, suggestions, etc.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=97801.msg2042922#msg2042922

Thank you, but what thread are you referring to? This one, or the thread where the amendment is being debated?
I believe he means the link he posted at the end of the message. This is a newspaper, not a debating thread. :)

Though I am glad it is stimulating debate.
My personal thoughts...(I'll write something up later probably and post it in the official thread for it)
It could potentially confuse a lot of people. I think we should allow plenty of time for people to understand it. I would recommend it taking effect on Jan. 1, 2010, so people won't have an excuse for being confused.

Well, a public awareness campaign by the government as well as the Sentinel's coverage should be sufficient.

I think a delay clause would be appropriate, possibly to the next presidential election, to ensure that people know what's going on and we allow the regional offices which are eliminated to serve out their terms. It would also give the regions time to reform their constitutions in anticipation of the offices they will likely want to fill.

I see a problem. If there is no regional legislature, will they get no representatives? Or will they be decided by public vote?

Quite true, like the Northeast, whose Legislature has been inactive for over a year.  The Senate would have to address this.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Regional Elections Update
Post by: Purple State on June 21, 2009, 07:48:09 PM
That's the point. If a region were to wan representation they would need to create some form of legislature. I am not happy that it comes to this, but it is clear federal action is necessary to spur regional activity. It is for everyone's best. However, to account for this "infringement" on regional power, I give the regions the power to decide how their legislators are chosen to join the House (if they have 5 legislators and only 3 slots, they need a way to choose which 3).


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Regional Elections Update
Post by: Vepres on June 21, 2009, 08:19:37 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel

School Standards Reform Bill Passed in Senate; Heads to the Pres.' Desk
By Vepres

Today, the School Standards Reform Bill passed in the senate with 5 ayes, 1 nay, and 2 abstains. The bill set federal standards for all public schools in Atlasia. The bill includes standards for classes that must be offered, mandatory physical education programs, and requires all public elementary schools to offer pre-k.

Among those to not vote for the bill was Senator HappyWarrior(DA-MD), who said, "I like the bill but I think it violates the powers of the regions." He voted abstain. The only senator to vote nay on the bill was Senator Marokai (JCP-AZ) who, when questioned as to why he voted nay, said,"The bill, I think, unfortunately falls victim to the idea that if we make kids work, we can make all children scientists, mathematicians, astronauts, historians, football players, and so on, rather than giving all kids a basic education in all subjects, and focusing on what kids are most proficient in."

The supporters of the bill cited the physical education requirements as a way to help combat Atlasia's obesity problems. Senator PiT(RPP-LA) pointed out that those who don't like the standards could go to private schools.

The bill was introduced by Senator PurpleState.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: School Standards Bill Passes Senate
Post by: Vepres on June 21, 2009, 08:25:06 PM
I would like to request that everybody continue this debate in the official thread over in the government board. While I don't mind debate in this thread, I would like to move on from this topic and get back to reporting/commentating.

Edit: Here's (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=97801.msg2042922#msg2042922) the link.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Regional Elections Update
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 21, 2009, 08:56:57 PM
I support having a 10 member House. Maybe elected the 5 Senators based on Regions, and have a 10 member house elected based on STV (or better yet, MMP) with 2 month terms.

I'm sorry, but why? There's no need for those changes, you can establish pretty much the same thing just by changing some elections and tacking 5 more seats to the Senate.

I have no intention of going along with unnecessary change or shuffling.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Regional Elections Update
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 21, 2009, 08:58:17 PM
Among those to not vote for the bill was Senator HappyWarrior(DA-MD), who said, "I like the bill but I think it violates the powers of the regions." He voted abstain. The only senator to vote nay on the bill was Senator Marokai (JCP-AZ) who, when questioned as to why he voted nay, said, "The bill, I think, unfortunately falls victim to the idea that if we make kids work, we can make all children scientists, mathematicians, astronauts, historians, football players, and so on, rather than giving all kids a basic education in all subjects, and focusing on what kids are most proficient in."

I appreciate you putting that in. :)


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Regional Elections Update
Post by: Vepres on June 21, 2009, 09:00:18 PM
Among those to not vote for the bill was Senator HappyWarrior(DA-MD), who said, "I like the bill but I think it violates the powers of the regions." He voted abstain. The only senator to vote nay on the bill was Senator Marokai (JCP-AZ) who, when questioned as to why he voted nay, said, "The bill, I think, unfortunately falls victim to the idea that if we make kids work, we can make all children scientists, mathematicians, astronauts, historians, football players, and so on, rather than giving all kids a basic education in all subjects, and focusing on what kids are most proficient in."

I appreciate you putting that in. :)

No problem.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Јas on June 22, 2009, 03:06:34 AM
Guys, regional Senate elections, as evidence by the ones currently happening, are boring and awful. Why do we want more of them again?

^^^
Again, another series of tired, uncompetitive regional elections.
They haven't worked for years.

I don't like that there are so many safe seats in the Senate and I don't like systems which allow that to thrive.

Every PR-STV election so far has went down to the final minutes. Few candidates have been safe in those elections until late into balloting. By comparison, many of this weekend's races were effectively over before official polling began. -_-

Our senate race is competitive, so not all are boring. The Mideast's would've been had Persepolis not been Ogis. The Northeast's would've also been competitive if Smid endorsed Ronan, the candidate from his party. Something needs to be done about the Southeast and Pacific. I think we should redraw the regions, reduced them to five, and draw them so there are no safe elections.

Edit: What about senatorial term limits? This would not only cycle newbies into the system but also prevent uncompetitive elections.

Yes, the Midwestern race is competitive. That's 1 of 5. IMO, that's not good enough.
If you review the election results in regional (and district elections) for the past couple of years, you'll find that that's about average. (I'd also bear in mind that Fritz entered the race ostensibly for the purpose of having a proper election.)

I disagree with your analysis of the Mideastern and Northeastern elections. Given the declared candidates, neither race was ever likely to be competitive. Your analysis in the Northeast is, I think,  particularly wide of the mark as I'd suggest that Smid runs far ahead of his party there, as indeed he would in just about every region. Few other RPPers could get close to winning there.

On Senatorial term-limits, I would suggest that that would only exacerbate the problem of uncompetitive elections as you're simply reducing the likely number of competitors.

Thereis nothing you can do about the Southeast or Pacific - they are one party regions. The Pacific having been so for quite some time now; the Southeast having slowly seen its non-RPP membership scuttle off into anonymity. The idea that reducing the number of regions will solve anything seems to me to be flawed - it admits that the current set-up isn't working but presumes a small increase in population will revive activity. However, there is no relationship as things stand between the population of the various regions and their activity levels. The regions have failed both as a system of government and as a basis for allowing competitive elections to the Senate.

I'm newer, so I wouldn't know that Smid was more electable.

Anyway, let's say we completely redrew the regions so that there were only three with roughly a 33:33:33 ratio of moderates, conservatives/libertarians, and liberals.

I'd like to see that attempt (and indeed there is plenty of fresh data from this election to work with) -  bearing in mind that any change will require the approval of 4 of the 5 regions already in existence including the 2 that are effectively one party regions.


Besides, the only alternative to regions is a European-like system (which I personally hate the whole concept of a parliamentarian system, but that's another debate) as there wouldn't be enough positions for newbies in our current system without regionalism.

The ConCon is there to propse and debate alternatives and they produced many more than 1.

At any rate, i disagree with your suggestion that we have newbies all that involved in regional Government.
In the Pacific we have CultureKing and Alcon.
In the Midwest, GMantis and Lewis.
In the Northeast, Andrew and Moderate.
In the Mideast, Inks.
In the Southeast, Duke and Daniel Adams.

How many of these are newbies? Close to 0.


If we decrease the number of regions to 3, and perhaps decentralize our government so the regions have more power, than regional elections would matter more. For example, education should be more of a regional responsibility than a federal one as it is in real life.

I've heard regionalists moan for quite some time now about their lack of power (and proceed to do nothing but moan about it at any given election). The truth is that the regions already have substantial power. Indeed in your own example, I would put it to you that education is something almost entirely within the region's remit.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Vepres on June 22, 2009, 09:15:36 AM
Guys, regional Senate elections, as evidence by the ones currently happening, are boring and awful. Why do we want more of them again?

^^^
Again, another series of tired, uncompetitive regional elections.
They haven't worked for years.

I don't like that there are so many safe seats in the Senate and I don't like systems which allow that to thrive.

Every PR-STV election so far has went down to the final minutes. Few candidates have been safe in those elections until late into balloting. By comparison, many of this weekend's races were effectively over before official polling began. -_-

Our senate race is competitive, so not all are boring. The Mideast's would've been had Persepolis not been Ogis. The Northeast's would've also been competitive if Smid endorsed Ronan, the candidate from his party. Something needs to be done about the Southeast and Pacific. I think we should redraw the regions, reduced them to five, and draw them so there are no safe elections.

Edit: What about senatorial term limits? This would not only cycle newbies into the system but also prevent uncompetitive elections.

Yes, the Midwestern race is competitive. That's 1 of 5. IMO, that's not good enough.
If you review the election results in regional (and district elections) for the past couple of years, you'll find that that's about average. (I'd also bear in mind that Fritz entered the race ostensibly for the purpose of having a proper election.)

I disagree with your analysis of the Mideastern and Northeastern elections. Given the declared candidates, neither race was ever likely to be competitive. Your analysis in the Northeast is, I think,  particularly wide of the mark as I'd suggest that Smid runs far ahead of his party there, as indeed he would in just about every region. Few other RPPers could get close to winning there.

On Senatorial term-limits, I would suggest that that would only exacerbate the problem of uncompetitive elections as you're simply reducing the likely number of competitors.

Thereis nothing you can do about the Southeast or Pacific - they are one party regions. The Pacific having been so for quite some time now; the Southeast having slowly seen its non-RPP membership scuttle off into anonymity. The idea that reducing the number of regions will solve anything seems to me to be flawed - it admits that the current set-up isn't working but presumes a small increase in population will revive activity. However, there is no relationship as things stand between the population of the various regions and their activity levels. The regions have failed both as a system of government and as a basis for allowing competitive elections to the Senate.

I'm newer, so I wouldn't know that Smid was more electable.

Anyway, let's say we completely redrew the regions so that there were only three with roughly a 33:33:33 ratio of moderates, conservatives/libertarians, and liberals.

I'd like to see that attempt (and indeed there is plenty of fresh data from this election to work with) -  bearing in mind that any change will require the approval of 4 of the 5 regions already in existence including the 2 that are effectively one party regions.


Besides, the only alternative to regions is a European-like system (which I personally hate the whole concept of a parliamentarian system, but that's another debate) as there wouldn't be enough positions for newbies in our current system without regionalism.

The ConCon is there to propse and debate alternatives and they produced many more than 1.

At any rate, i disagree with your suggestion that we have newbies all that involved in regional Government.
In the Pacific we have CultureKing and Alcon.
In the Midwest, GMantis and Lewis.
In the Northeast, Andrew and Moderate.
In the Mideast, Inks.
In the Southeast, Duke and Daniel Adams.

How many of these are newbies? Close to 0.


If we decrease the number of regions to 3, and perhaps decentralize our government so the regions have more power, than regional elections would matter more. For example, education should be more of a regional responsibility than a federal one as it is in real life.

I've heard regionalists moan for quite some time now about their lack of power (and proceed to do nothing but moan about it at any given election). The truth is that the regions already have substantial power. Indeed in your own example, I would put it to you that education is something almost entirely within the region's remit.

Personally, as long as our system has regions and a US style government, I don't care what reforms are made.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: School Standards Bill Passes Senate
Post by: Vepres on June 22, 2009, 09:44:07 AM
The Atlasian Sentinel

Senator PiT Appears to Have Won the Presidency
By Vepres

Despite some claiming certain votes for PiT invalid, most, including JCP members, have already congratulated PiT on his apparent victory. The election was a close one, with PiT garnering 51.1% of the vote, and Lief receiving 48.9% of the vote. Unless something unforeseen happens with some of the votes, PiT is our next president.



The DA Seizes Control of the Senate
By Vepres

The DA now has a majority in the senate with five members. While this is less significant than a takeover by one of the more ideological parties, it shows that the moderates have a hold on the legislative branch. Our incoming President, PiT, is a staunch libertarian RPP member, and may have trouble getting the more partisan parts of his agenda through the now moderate congress. Unlike the DA, the RPP took a relative beating in this election, losing two seats if you include the special election earlier this month. The JCP's power is about the same, with three members.



President Bgwah Gives Some Final Thoughts as President
By Vepres

President Bgwah delivered a few thoughts to the public in his last days in office. He expressed a great deal of excitement about the turnout, which was double last year's. His address was not very partisan, though he did admit disappointment that his party's candidate, Lief, lost. He did note that it was impressive Lief came so close to winning, given the fact he had a partisan ticket, but added that it was good for Atlasia as it created a close election.

He also stated that he viewed the constitutional convention, probably the most important thing he did in second term, as a mistake.

Quote from: bgwah
The problems facing Atlasia weren’t related to the Constitution. Our problems stemmed from the collapse of parties and the lack of competitive elections. Our concern now should be to combat the ideology of Antillianism. What is Antillianism, you ask? I refer to the idea that we should move towards a parliamentary government. I find such ideas to be completely ridiculous. Our fictional nation is not hosted on the United Kingdom Election Atlas! Our government should continue to mimic the United States. I personally vow to fight any attempt to move toward a parliamentary system. The forumers behind this idea tried it in the Antillia simulation and it failed. So now they want to try it in Atlasia. Let us learn from past mistakes and avoid any such type of government like the plague.

Notice that he criticized those who wanted to move towards a parliamentary system of government, but also those who wished to add more seats or even another house to the legislative branch.

Quote from: bgwah
Some think we should expand the Senate or add a House (increase the number of seats in our legislature). I disagree. Atlasia is about elections, and part of having elections requires more people interested in running for office than there are offices available. Look at what happened in this election. Competitive elections cause candidates to register people--it causes them to introduce more people to the game."

All in all, he expressed satisfaction at the increased activity during his tenure as president, and wished PiT the best of luck.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 22, 2009
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on June 22, 2009, 09:54:51 AM
Ugh, not that "RPP is dead" drums again.  I had some problems and for that I apoligize, but my seat is easily winnable back in the next cycle.  There is little to no chance that the RPP cannot win back at least 1 at-large senate seat.  I have no idea who won in the Northeast (election coverage is awful), but I hope Smid will be back for the next cycle and I have give him a great chance to win his old seat back if he wants it.

And hello, we just won the presidency for the first in our history.  As we approach our one-year anniversery, don't think we are dead at all.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 22, 2009
Post by: Vepres on June 22, 2009, 10:07:53 AM
Ugh, not that "RPP is dead" drums again.  I had some problems and for that I apoligize, but my seat is easily winnable back in the next cycle.  There is little to no chance that the RPP cannot win back at least 1 at-large senate seat.  I have no idea who won in the Northeast (election coverage is awful), but I hope Smid will be back for the next cycle and I have give him a great chance to win his old seat back if he wants it.

And hello, we just won the presidency for the first in our history.  As we approach our one-year anniversery, don't think we are dead at all.

I didn't say you were dead, I said your President would have trouble getting his agenda through a more moderate congress (though some parts are nonpartisan).


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: School Standards Bill Passes Senate
Post by: Purple State on June 22, 2009, 12:35:13 PM
President Bgwah Gives Some Final Thoughts as President
By Vepres

I would just like to point out that, while bgwah at first criticizes the sudden influx of new members as "mysterious" and a "strategy" he does not approve of, he goes on to pat himself on the back for bringing in so many new members and says that reform is unnecessary because "competitive elections cause candidates to register people."

Some consistency from the President (and a critical eye from the press) would be greatly appreciated.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: School Standards Bill Passes Senate
Post by: Vepres on June 22, 2009, 01:20:15 PM
President Bgwah Gives Some Final Thoughts as President
By Vepres

I would just like to point out that, while bgwah at first criticizes the sudden influx of new members as "mysterious" and a "strategy" he does not approve of, he goes on to pat himself on the back for bringing in so many new members and says that reform is unnecessary because "competitive elections cause candidates to register people."

Some consistency from the President (and a critical eye from the press) would be greatly appreciated.

Sort of hard to be critical when you enter Atlasia in a Presidents last month, if you understand what I mean. I'll be much more critical (if justified) of PiT and the incoming congress.

By the way, Bgwah said he was proud of the increased activity, so it doesn't contradict his remarks about the newbies. However, you're right in that it has nothing to do with his work as President.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 22, 2009
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 22, 2009, 01:21:45 PM
Vepres, first of all, this paper is excellent. Keep up the good work. :)

How do you think all of these controversial votes should be resolved, and who do you think should, and will become the next President?


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 22, 2009
Post by: Vepres on June 22, 2009, 01:29:30 PM
Vepres, first of all, this paper is excellent. Keep up the good work. :)

How do you think all of these controversial votes should be resolved, and who do you think should, and will become the next President?

Personally, I think some in the JCP are trying to win through a technicality, and that PiT won. However, what matters is the legal opinion of the justices, should it get that far. Whatever they decide, the Sentinel will support (however, I personally may not). In the end, I think PiT will win, but we'll have to see.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: MasterJedi on June 22, 2009, 01:30:25 PM
In the Midwest, GMantis and Lewis.

Lewis left ages ago, I'm in for the Midwest now.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 22, 2009
Post by: afleitch on June 22, 2009, 01:32:32 PM
Vepres, first of all, this paper is excellent. Keep up the good work. :)

How do you think all of these controversial votes should be resolved, and who do you think should, and will become the next President?

Personally, I think some in the JCP are trying to win through a technicality, and that PiT won. However, what matters is the legal opinion of the justices, should it get that far. Whatever they decide, the Sentinel will support (however, I personally may not). In the end, I think PiT will win, but we'll have to see.

Electoral laws are not technicalities.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 22, 2009
Post by: Vepres on June 22, 2009, 01:43:25 PM
Vepres, first of all, this paper is excellent. Keep up the good work. :)

How do you think all of these controversial votes should be resolved, and who do you think should, and will become the next President?

Personally, I think some in the JCP are trying to win through a technicality, and that PiT won. However, what matters is the legal opinion of the justices, should it get that far. Whatever they decide, the Sentinel will support (however, I personally may not). In the end, I think PiT will win, but we'll have to see.

Electoral laws are not technicalities.

Nobody doubted their registration until the election turned out to be close.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 22, 2009
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 22, 2009, 01:44:48 PM
Vepres, first of all, this paper is excellent. Keep up the good work. :)

How do you think all of these controversial votes should be resolved, and who do you think should, and will become the next President?

Personally, I think some in the JCP are trying to win through a technicality, and that PiT won. However, what matters is the legal opinion of the justices, should it get that far. Whatever they decide, the Sentinel will support (however, I personally may not). In the end, I think PiT will win, but we'll have to see.

Electoral laws are not technicalities.

Nobody doubted their registration until the election turned out to be close.
Ditto
I also question if the same people would be fighting this hard for those votes not to count if the questionable votes had been for Leif, not PiT.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 22, 2009
Post by: Vepres on June 22, 2009, 01:46:50 PM
Anyway, does it matter if they registered before of after the 25 post achievement? In practical matters it doesn't, and legally, well we'll have to see.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 22, 2009
Post by: afleitch on June 22, 2009, 01:51:15 PM
Vepres, first of all, this paper is excellent. Keep up the good work. :)

How do you think all of these controversial votes should be resolved, and who do you think should, and will become the next President?

Personally, I think some in the JCP are trying to win through a technicality, and that PiT won. However, what matters is the legal opinion of the justices, should it get that far. Whatever they decide, the Sentinel will support (however, I personally may not). In the end, I think PiT will win, but we'll have to see.

Electoral laws are not technicalities.

Nobody doubted their registration until the election turned out to be close.
Ditto
I also question if the same people would be fighting this hard for those votes not to count if the questionable votes had been for Leif, not PiT.

I voted for PiT...and I am challenging the votes.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 22, 2009
Post by: Franzl on June 22, 2009, 01:51:31 PM
Who cares what motives are driving people to seek invalidation? We're talking about laws here...not simply preferences.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 22, 2009
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 22, 2009, 01:54:09 PM
Vepres, first of all, this paper is excellent. Keep up the good work. :)

How do you think all of these controversial votes should be resolved, and who do you think should, and will become the next President?

Personally, I think some in the JCP are trying to win through a technicality, and that PiT won. However, what matters is the legal opinion of the justices, should it get that far. Whatever they decide, the Sentinel will support (however, I personally may not). In the end, I think PiT will win, but we'll have to see.

Electoral laws are not technicalities.

Nobody doubted their registration until the election turned out to be close.
Ditto
I also question if the same people would be fighting this hard for those votes not to count if the questionable votes had been for Leif, not PiT.

I voted for PiT...and I am challenging the votes.
And you are just about the only one, too.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 22, 2009
Post by: Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese on June 22, 2009, 02:00:13 PM
Also, the voting booth says that you need to register before or on June 11th. electoraljew2 registered on June 11th, according to Earl's official registry, so I believe that he is elgiible to vote.

All well and good, but if that vote turns out to be crucial, don't be surprised if I lodge a case with the court seeking its invalidation.

As you can see, Jas clearly stated he would only care if the election was close.

We know you're in it for the right reasons Afleitch, but don't deny that all the other supporters do it cause they want Leif to win.

EDIT: Franzl, why did you have to ruin my argument. :P


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 22, 2009
Post by: Franzl on June 22, 2009, 02:01:35 PM
Vepres, first of all, this paper is excellent. Keep up the good work. :)

How do you think all of these controversial votes should be resolved, and who do you think should, and will become the next President?

Personally, I think some in the JCP are trying to win through a technicality, and that PiT won. However, what matters is the legal opinion of the justices, should it get that far. Whatever they decide, the Sentinel will support (however, I personally may not). In the end, I think PiT will win, but we'll have to see.

Electoral laws are not technicalities.

Nobody doubted their registration until the election turned out to be close.
Ditto
I also question if the same people would be fighting this hard for those votes not to count if the questionable votes had been for Leif, not PiT.

I voted for PiT...and I am challenging the votes.
And you are just about the only one, too.


Wrong. I would also be willing to challenge these votes.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 22, 2009
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 22, 2009, 02:04:21 PM
Vepres, first of all, this paper is excellent. Keep up the good work. :)

How do you think all of these controversial votes should be resolved, and who do you think should, and will become the next President?

Personally, I think some in the JCP are trying to win through a technicality, and that PiT won. However, what matters is the legal opinion of the justices, should it get that far. Whatever they decide, the Sentinel will support (however, I personally may not). In the end, I think PiT will win, but we'll have to see.

Electoral laws are not technicalities.

Nobody doubted their registration until the election turned out to be close.
Ditto
I also question if the same people would be fighting this hard for those votes not to count if the questionable votes had been for Leif, not PiT.

I voted for PiT...and I am challenging the votes.
And you are just about the only one, too.


Wrong. I would also be willing to challenge these votes.
^See bold^
What I'm saying, is that the one of the main reasons most of these "challengers" are challenging these votes is because they don't want PiT to win. Would they have challenged the votes if the votes were for Leif? Who knows, but I'm sure the chances would be a lot lower.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 22, 2009
Post by: Franzl on June 22, 2009, 02:06:02 PM
Vepres, first of all, this paper is excellent. Keep up the good work. :)

How do you think all of these controversial votes should be resolved, and who do you think should, and will become the next President?

Personally, I think some in the JCP are trying to win through a technicality, and that PiT won. However, what matters is the legal opinion of the justices, should it get that far. Whatever they decide, the Sentinel will support (however, I personally may not). In the end, I think PiT will win, but we'll have to see.

Electoral laws are not technicalities.

Nobody doubted their registration until the election turned out to be close.
Ditto
I also question if the same people would be fighting this hard for those votes not to count if the questionable votes had been for Leif, not PiT.

I voted for PiT...and I am challenging the votes.
And you are just about the only one, too.


Wrong. I would also be willing to challenge these votes.
^See bold^
What I'm saying, is that the one of the main reasons most of these "challengers" are challenging these votes is because they don't want PiT to win. Would they have challenged the votes if the votes were for Leif? Who knows, but I'm sure the chances would be a lot lower.

It doesn't matter why people want to challenge votes. If anyone has reason to believe that a vote was cast illegally...then I'd say it's their duty to challenge.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 22, 2009
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 22, 2009, 02:07:32 PM
Vepres, first of all, this paper is excellent. Keep up the good work. :)

How do you think all of these controversial votes should be resolved, and who do you think should, and will become the next President?

Personally, I think some in the JCP are trying to win through a technicality, and that PiT won. However, what matters is the legal opinion of the justices, should it get that far. Whatever they decide, the Sentinel will support (however, I personally may not). In the end, I think PiT will win, but we'll have to see.

Electoral laws are not technicalities.

Nobody doubted their registration until the election turned out to be close.
Ditto
I also question if the same people would be fighting this hard for those votes not to count if the questionable votes had been for Leif, not PiT.

I voted for PiT...and I am challenging the votes.
And you are just about the only one, too.


Wrong. I would also be willing to challenge these votes.
^See bold^
What I'm saying, is that the one of the main reasons most of these "challengers" are challenging these votes is because they don't want PiT to win. Would they have challenged the votes if the votes were for Leif? Who knows, but I'm sure the chances would be a lot lower.

It doesn't matter why people want to challenge votes. If anyone has reason to believe that a vote was cast illegally...then I'd say it's their duty to challenge.
Agreed
But would they have challenged it if the votes were for PiT? Possibly, but I doubt it.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 22, 2009
Post by: MaxQue on June 22, 2009, 02:12:27 PM
Vepres, first of all, this paper is excellent. Keep up the good work. :)

How do you think all of these controversial votes should be resolved, and who do you think should, and will become the next President?

Personally, I think some in the JCP are trying to win through a technicality, and that PiT won. However, what matters is the legal opinion of the justices, should it get that far. Whatever they decide, the Sentinel will support (however, I personally may not). In the end, I think PiT will win, but we'll have to see.

Electoral laws are not technicalities.

Nobody doubted their registration until the election turned out to be close.
Ditto
I also question if the same people would be fighting this hard for those votes not to count if the questionable votes had been for Leif, not PiT.

I voted for PiT...and I am challenging the votes.
And you are just about the only one, too.


Wrong. I would also be willing to challenge these votes.
^See bold^
What I'm saying, is that the one of the main reasons most of these "challengers" are challenging these votes is because they don't want PiT to win. Would they have challenged the votes if the votes were for Leif? Who knows, but I'm sure the chances would be a lot lower.

It doesn't matter why people want to challenge votes. If anyone has reason to believe that a vote was cast illegally...then I'd say it's their duty to challenge.
Agreed
But would they have challenged it if the votes were for PiT? Possibly, but I doubt it.

Jas would have challenged the votes. He likes to challenges elections and to sue the government.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 22, 2009
Post by: Vepres on June 22, 2009, 02:14:42 PM
I think we need a concrete interpretation of that law, but either way, I do agree they need to be looked into, though the motives of some are suspect. But that in no way means they're wrong of course.

Edit: On reflection, I do think these votes may not be legal and should be challenged.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Supreme Court Rules GM Removal Act Unconstitutional
Post by: Vepres on June 22, 2009, 10:26:20 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel

Supreme Court Rules Senate's GM Replacement Act Unconstitutional
By Vepres

The supreme court has ruled that the Removal of the GM Act that was passed in the senate, which would forcibly remove the GM, unconstitutional. Sam Spade, who delivered the courts opinion, stated that the GM was a constitutional executive office, and therefore couldn't be eliminated or transformed into a new executive office by the senate, save a constitutional amendment.

The court also found in a previous case, Sam Spade v. Porce, that the power to appoint the GM was vested solely in the President, thus the removal of the GM also is vested solely in the president. The senate was infringing the executive branch's power by removing the GM due to inactivity. Thus, they found the Removal of the GM Act unconstitutional. They stated that any present or future attempts by the senate to remove the GM will be deemed invalid.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Supreme Court Rules GM Removal Act Unconstitutional
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 22, 2009, 10:32:41 PM
It took awhile, but it's an excellent decision. I'm quite happy that the Supreme Court made this ruling to say only what myself and others have been saying since the beginning.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Supreme Court Rules GM Removal Act Unconstitutional
Post by: Vepres on June 22, 2009, 10:35:38 PM
It took awhile, but it's an excellent decision. I'm quite happy that the Supreme Court made this ruling to say only what myself and others have been saying since the beginning.

While at the beginning I sided with the senate, the court's opinion is fool-proof, and therefore I side with them.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Supreme Court Rules GM Removal Act Unconstitutional
Post by: Purple State on June 22, 2009, 11:18:24 PM
I dislike the Court's limiting of the "necessary and proper" clause to solely create executive offices (as opposed to general offices of the Republic), but I won't protest the decision. I know the Court put a lot of effort into crafting their ruling and I plan on abiding it.

I can only express my hope that, whomever shall be elected to the presidency, we will see a newly active GM to build on the recent activity in the game.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Supreme Court Rules GM Removal Act Unconstitutional
Post by: Sam Spade on June 23, 2009, 12:33:49 AM
I dislike the Court's limiting of the "necessary and proper" clause to solely create executive offices (as opposed to general offices of the Republic), but I won't protest the decision.

There is no such limit in the ruling.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 22, 2009
Post by: Јas on June 23, 2009, 03:31:08 AM
Vepres, first of all, this paper is excellent. Keep up the good work. :)

How do you think all of these controversial votes should be resolved, and who do you think should, and will become the next President?

Personally, I think some in the JCP are trying to win through a technicality, and that PiT won. However, what matters is the legal opinion of the justices, should it get that far. Whatever they decide, the Sentinel will support (however, I personally may not). In the end, I think PiT will win, but we'll have to see.

Electoral laws are not technicalities.

Nobody doubted their registration until the election turned out to be close.
Ditto
I also question if the same people would be fighting this hard for those votes not to count if the questionable votes had been for Leif, not PiT.

I voted for PiT...and I am challenging the votes.
And you are just about the only one, too.


Wrong. I would also be willing to challenge these votes.
^See bold^
What I'm saying, is that the one of the main reasons most of these "challengers" are challenging these votes is because they don't want PiT to win. Would they have challenged the votes if the votes were for Leif? Who knows, but I'm sure the chances would be a lot lower.

It doesn't matter why people want to challenge votes. If anyone has reason to believe that a vote was cast illegally...then I'd say it's their duty to challenge.
Agreed
But would they have challenged it if the votes were for PiT? Possibly, but I doubt it.

Jas would have challenged the votes. He likes to challenges elections and to sue the government.

^^^
We have a winner. ;D

(I also think I'm a tough fit for a JCP stooge, as I'm sure the President agrees.)


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Editorial: Do We Really Need a New Constitution?
Post by: Јas on June 23, 2009, 03:32:21 AM
In the Midwest, GMantis and Lewis.

Lewis left ages ago, I'm in for the Midwest now.

As Senator indeed.
The list though was of ilikeverins Governors & ican'tbelieveit'snotverins Lt. Governors.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 22, 2009
Post by: Јas on June 23, 2009, 03:36:49 AM
Vepres, first of all, this paper is excellent. Keep up the good work. :)

How do you think all of these controversial votes should be resolved, and who do you think should, and will become the next President?

Personally, I think some in the JCP are trying to win through a technicality, and that PiT won. However, what matters is the legal opinion of the justices, should it get that far. Whatever they decide, the Sentinel will support (however, I personally may not). In the end, I think PiT will win, but we'll have to see.

Electoral laws are not technicalities.

Nobody doubted their registration until the election turned out to be close.

Their registration is not in question (though I still believe that question marks hang-over some of these individuals). Their legal ability to vote in this election is at issue - and to my mind is open-and-shut.

I highlighted the issues as I noticed them. At any rate, even if one were to believe I was acting in some malign fashion - that doesn't take away from the veracity of my arguments.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: June 22, 2009
Post by: Vepres on June 23, 2009, 11:45:40 AM
Vepres, first of all, this paper is excellent. Keep up the good work. :)

How do you think all of these controversial votes should be resolved, and who do you think should, and will become the next President?

Personally, I think some in the JCP are trying to win through a technicality, and that PiT won. However, what matters is the legal opinion of the justices, should it get that far. Whatever they decide, the Sentinel will support (however, I personally may not). In the end, I think PiT will win, but we'll have to see.

Electoral laws are not technicalities.

Nobody doubted their registration until the election turned out to be close.

Their registration is not in question (though I still believe that question marks hang-over some of these individuals). Their legal ability to vote in this election is at issue - and to my mind is open-and-shut.

I highlighted the issues as I noticed them. At any rate, even if one were to believe I was acting in some malign fashion - that doesn't take away from the veracity of my arguments.


Indeed, motives are meaningless if your arguments are sound.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Lief/Bacon King Elected
Post by: Vepres on June 23, 2009, 11:52:54 AM
The Atlasian Sentinel

Lief/Bacon King Elected
By Vepres

The SOFA certified the official election results, which elected Lief/Bacon King President and Vice President, respectively. It was a tie at 41 to 41 in the final round, however, because Lief/Bacon King had one more first preference vote, they were deemed the winners of the election.

This is, of course, after the Atlasian Sentinel reported that PiT had won. In Franzl's count, he did. However, the SOFA, who is more familiar with election laws and thus better qualified to determine which votes are valid and which aren't, and his results showed Lief winning. We apologize for the error.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Lief/Bacon King Elected
Post by: Franzl on June 23, 2009, 12:14:30 PM
In Franzl's count, he did. However, the SOFA, who is more familiar with election laws and thus better qualified to determine which votes are valid and which aren't, and his results showed Lief winning. We apologize for the error.

I posted a warning saying that my count included certain disputed votes! ;)


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Lief/Bacon King Elected
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 23, 2009, 12:18:40 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel

Lief/Bacon King Elected
By Vepres

The SOFA certified the official election results, which elected Lief/Bacon King President and Vice President, respectively. It was a tie at 41 to 41 in the final round, however, because Lief/Bacon King had one more first preference vote, they were deemed the winners of the election.

This is, of course, after the Atlasian Sentinel reported that PiT had won. In Franzl's count, he did. However, the SOFA, who is more familiar with election laws and thus better qualified to determine which votes are valid and which aren't, and his results showed Lief winning. We apologize for the error.
It might not be in error.  PiT could still win, as this will go to court.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Supreme Court Rules GM Removal Act Unconstitutional
Post by: Purple State on June 23, 2009, 12:43:56 PM
I dislike the Court's limiting of the "necessary and proper" clause to solely create executive offices (as opposed to general offices of the Republic), but I won't protest the decision.

There is no such limit in the ruling.

Why did the GM Act necessarily create the GM as an executive office? Under the necessary and proper clause, the GM was created, through statute, as an office outside of the direct jurisdiction of the President.

Granted the decision was lengthy and it's possible I misread.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Lief/Bacon King Elected!
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on June 23, 2009, 01:45:44 PM
Not my preferred outcome, but I suppose this is fine.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Lief/Bacon King Elected
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 23, 2009, 02:01:56 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel

Lief/Bacon King Elected
By Vepres

The SOFA certified the official election results, which elected Lief/Bacon King President and Vice President, respectively. It was a tie at 41 to 41 in the final round, however, because Lief/Bacon King had one more first preference vote, they were deemed the winners of the election.

This is, of course, after the Atlasian Sentinel reported that PiT had won. In Franzl's count, he did. However, the SOFA, who is more familiar with election laws and thus better qualified to determine which votes are valid and which aren't, and his results showed Lief winning. We apologize for the error.

Where can I find official results ?


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Lief/Bacon King Elected
Post by: Vepres on June 23, 2009, 02:15:23 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel

Lief/Bacon King Elected
By Vepres

The SOFA certified the official election results, which elected Lief/Bacon King President and Vice President, respectively. It was a tie at 41 to 41 in the final round, however, because Lief/Bacon King had one more first preference vote, they were deemed the winners of the election.

This is, of course, after the Atlasian Sentinel reported that PiT had won. In Franzl's count, he did. However, the SOFA, who is more familiar with election laws and thus better qualified to determine which votes are valid and which aren't, and his results showed Lief winning. We apologize for the error.

Where can I find official results ?

SOFA thread, second to last page.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Lief/Bacon King Elected
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 24, 2009, 03:09:03 AM
The Atlasian Sentinel

Lief/Bacon King Elected
By Vepres

The SOFA certified the official election results, which elected Lief/Bacon King President and Vice President, respectively. It was a tie at 41 to 41 in the final round, however, because Lief/Bacon King had one more first preference vote, they were deemed the winners of the election.

This is, of course, after the Atlasian Sentinel reported that PiT had won. In Franzl's count, he did. However, the SOFA, who is more familiar with election laws and thus better qualified to determine which votes are valid and which aren't, and his results showed Lief winning. We apologize for the error.

Where can I find official results ?

SOFA thread, second to last page.

I didn't find it. Could you send me a link please ?


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Lief/Bacon King Elected!
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 24, 2009, 03:22:34 AM
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=79358.msg2045787#msg2045787


Title: Re: BrandonH Nominated for GM Position; Confirmation Underway
Post by: Vepres on June 24, 2009, 10:44:22 AM
The Atlasian Sentinel

BrandonH Nominated for GM Position; Confirmation Underway
By Vepres

President Bgwah appointed BrandonH to fill the GM position after Ebowed resigned. Yesterday marked the beginning of his confirmation hearing with the senate. Though the hearing has just begun, we do know that BrandonH's two biggest concerns will be our relations with foreign nations and the economic situation in Atlasia. He has also stated that he hopes to provide updates at least weekly, and that he can dedicate enough time to fulfill the duties of the GM.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Post-Election Blues Felt Across Atlasia; Govs Should Act
Post by: Vepres on June 25, 2009, 09:16:34 AM
Whoops, accidentally deleted article. Oh well.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Post-Election Blues Felt Across Atlasia; Govs Should Act
Post by: Vepres on June 26, 2009, 11:53:34 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel

Editorial: Post-Election Blues Felt Across Atlasia; Governors Should Act
By Vepres

Now that the election season is over, many Atlasians are withdrawing into the void, silent. Just a few days ago, two-thirds of the front page had posts from the current day. Now, only three can claim that. The contrast between now and just last week is stark to say the least. It's as if the majority of Atlasians have gone on extended vacation.

Even the Senate is feeling it. While they wait for the new senate to begin, they have largely stopped activity, only debating bills introduced prior to the election fall-out (where Lief was declared victorious). The exception to this is the Intelligent Voting Amendment to the constitution which, among other things, changes the requirements to register to vote and to become a President or officeholder.

While BrandonH is stuck in confirmation, we have absolutely nothing to talk about or do in Atlasia. The regional governors should do something to stir activity in their respective regions. After all, it is part of the job. Governor Inks.LWC is trying just that by bumping up the Mideast Assembly thread. I urge CultureKing, AndrewCT, Duke, and GMantis to do something. anything to inject discussion and debate into Atlasia now, before we get too far into these blues. If not, Atlasia will be dead for the next month and a half, which would be unfortunate.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Post-Election Blues Felt Across Atlasia; Govs Should Act
Post by: Fritz on June 27, 2009, 12:08:23 AM
That is fairly typical after an election...but where are the lawsuits?  That would liven things up a bit.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Post-Election Blues Felt Across Atlasia; Govs Should Act
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 27, 2009, 12:09:30 AM
I expect everyone is waiting for the court challenge to the election results to start. If we can get the runoff expect activity to shoot upwards.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Post-Election Blues Felt Across Atlasia; Govs Should Act
Post by: Vepres on June 27, 2009, 10:31:58 AM
I expect everyone is waiting for the court challenge to the election results to start. If we can get the runoff expect activity to shoot upwards.

Obviously. However, I want the governors to actually do something to fill the void. Not just now, but during the whole off season.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Post-Election Blues Felt Across Atlasia; Govs Should Act
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 27, 2009, 05:23:18 PM
Very useful topic. ;) I think I'll regularly read it to remain informated about Atlasian news.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Post-Election Blues Felt Across Atlasia; Govs Should Act
Post by: Vepres on June 27, 2009, 05:27:08 PM
Very useful topic. ;) I think I'll regularly read it to remain informated about Atlasian news.

Informed.

Not to be petty, I assume English isn't your first language.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Post-Election Blues Felt Across Atlasia; Govs Should Act
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on June 27, 2009, 05:40:45 PM
Very useful topic. ;) I think I'll regularly read it to remain informated about Atlasian news.

Informed.

Not to be petty, I assume English isn't your first language.

It probably is not. Check out his signature.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Post-Election Blues Felt Across Atlasia; Govs Should Act
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 27, 2009, 05:44:52 PM
Very useful topic. ;) I think I'll regularly read it to remain informated about Atlasian news.

Informed.

Not to be petty, I assume English isn't your first language.

Thanks for correction. ;) I still have some problems to find the right word sometimes, but to be honest it could be far worse...


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Post-Election Blues Felt Across Atlasia; Govs Should Act
Post by: Purple State on June 27, 2009, 08:45:17 PM
I expect everyone is waiting for the court challenge to the election results to start. If we can get the runoff expect activity to shoot upwards.

Obviously. However, I want the governors to actually do something to fill the void. Not just now, but during the whole off season.

It is rare to see regional activity, unfortunately. But I would like to see the governors use this time to perhaps reform the regions, start some legislatures, hold ConCons.

I would just ask that the Assemblymemebers in the Mideast please try to maintain the example set by your predecessors. Especially Bayh, who has striven to hold a seat there for quite some time. How can you expect to join the Senate if you aren't active in the Assembly?


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Opinion: Senator Purple State: Profiles in Transition
Post by: Vepres on June 28, 2009, 11:27:02 AM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Opinion: Profiles in Transition
by Senator Purple State


We are a near-perfect nation, now leaving the safe hands of a competent leader. Or so some would have you believe. We are a nation on the brink of chaos, staring destruction down at every turn. Or so others would have you believe.

Obviously neither of these extreme descriptions comes close to properly depicting the current state of this game. But then, what does adequately characterize the hopes and challenges we face? We are a nation in transition, caught within a whirlwind of change everywhere we look. We are a nation in flux, as calls for game reform and the voices of newer members ring louder and louder. Yet, we are only given a vague idea of what these challenges are. The problems are palpable, but obscure. Activity seems to appear and vanish, ebb and flow, repeatedly, yet few take the initiative to change all that. So let me answer a few questions.

What are the problems we face? They include defunct regions void of initiative, non-competitive elections for half of the Senate seats, weak parties without disciplined or passionate members and new members prematurely running for office.

What are the solutions? That is a harder question. We cannot force activity, nor can we make parties exclusive clubs. In addition, few of the answers can be initiated by a higher body or strong President. What is needed is a grassroots commitment to change, a swelling of popular support for sweeping reform. I do not call for a new federal Constitution, altering the very essence of the game. Instead, I have come to understand that we must revamp the interior, replace the rotting furniture and peeling wallpaper with cleaner, modern amenities, while maintaining the basic pillars of our game.

So what do I propose? Shrink the Senate to five at-large seats, as those provide for the most competitive, exciting elections and allow all Atlasians to participate in the process. Create a second chamber, a House, made up by regional representatives to balance the national standing of the Senate. In addition, use the structure of this House to spark regional reform, including the creation of elected regional assemblies fashioned after (but not necessarily replicating) the one in the Mideast.

Of course, all this is no cure-all for the game. With these reforms comes the increased need for members, whether old-timers just coming back into the fold or new members looking for an interesting experience, to actively participate and care. You need to feel it in you. You need to commit to run for elected office, make use of your position and help the game progress and thrive. So let this serve as my call to service for all Atlasians. Push your Senators to pass comprehensive reform, throw yourselves into the mix and run for the appropriate office and make sure this game remains active and successful during your time here.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Opinion: Profiles in Transition, By Senator Purple State
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on June 28, 2009, 02:13:50 PM
Some comments on Purple State's suggestions.

Regarding the problems we face: I agree with regions, disagree on the Senate, am undecided on parties, and disagree on new members.

Regrding the new Constitution: I agree.

Regarding the Senate: I oppose shrinking the Senate to five seats. Regional seats are necessary, just as at large seats are.

Regarding the House of Representatives: The House should use districts like in real life. The number of districts that a region gets should be as equal as possible to that region's share of the Atlasian population, but each region should have at least one district. For the purpose of the House, each region is divided into districts, each having about the same population. Each district elects one representative.

Regarding the formation of regional legislatures such as the one in the Mideast: I agree.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Opinion: Profiles in Transition, By Senator Purple State
Post by: MasterJedi on June 28, 2009, 02:45:23 PM
Might I saw good job with the newspaper and congratulations on becoming Midwest Lt. Gov.! :)


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Opinion: Profiles in Transition, By Senator Purple State
Post by: Vepres on June 28, 2009, 02:52:20 PM
Might I saw good job with the newspaper and congratulations on becoming Midwest Lt. Gov.! :)

Thank you.

Since the Lt. Governor isn't too influential on a day to day basis, I will continue to run the Sentinel. However, should I have become the temporary Governor, I will stop reporting until that has ended. Don't want any conflicts of interest no do we.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Opinion: Profiles in Transition, By Senator Purple State
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 28, 2009, 05:52:17 PM
Lord help me, he never gives up, does he?


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Opinion: Profiles in Transition, By Senator Purple State
Post by: Purple State on June 28, 2009, 08:25:44 PM
Some comments on Purple State's suggestions.

Regarding the problems we face: I agree with regions, disagree on the Senate, am undecided on parties, and disagree on new members.

Regrding the new Constitution: I agree.

Regarding the Senate: I oppose shrinking the Senate to five seats. Regional seats are necessary, just as at large seats are.

Regarding the House of Representatives: The House should use districts like in real life. The number of districts that a region gets should be as equal as possible to that region's share of the Atlasian population, but each region should have at least one district. For the purpose of the House, each region is divided into districts, each having about the same population. Each district elects one representative.

Regarding the formation of regional legislatures such as the one in the Mideast: I agree.

I thank you for the comments. I would just like to point out that while my proposal does remove the regional Senate seats, it maintains the balance of national and regional representatives with the House, as the two bodies would be equal in strength.


Who me? I am supposed to give up on fixing the problems in the game? Present your solutions and I'll work to find the best solution.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Opinion: Profiles in Transition, By Senator Purple State
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on June 28, 2009, 09:21:14 PM

Braindead reactionaries don't contribute much to the game, don't you think? Maybe you might try giving your solutions. Too bad you don't have any.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Purple State Tries to Steer the ConCon in a New Direction
Post by: Vepres on June 28, 2009, 09:45:52 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Purple State Tries to Steer the ConCon in a New Direction
by Vepres

Senator Purple State, the presiding officer of the constitutional convention publicly delivered some thoughts to the convention. He noted that the convention was dead, with no quorum being reached in weeks. He said that public opinion would not allow for a parliamentarian style government, and that the focus needs to be shifted to fixing up the current system.

Quote from: Senator Purple State
What we need to do is work to create a set of amendments for the current Constitution, small tweaks rather than overarching change. And when I think about it, this is for the best. The issue with this game has never been that the framework, the house, is unstable or poorly built; rather, it is that the interior is aging, the paint peeling. The solution is not to knock the whole house down. All we need to do is apply a fresh coat of paint, replace some of the broken furniture.

While some had a positive reaction to Purple State's ideas, such as Senators Afleitch and PiT, Senator Marokai criticized his reform ideas, citing his attempt to reform the constitution through the Senate. However, Senator Purple State dismissed these criticisms saying,"I like the feedback, but what would you propose? Especially you Marokai. You publicly condemn and scorn my ideas, yet you propose nothing but petty tweaks. Show me something real we can work on."

Fmr. Senator Lief reiterated his support of abolishing regions, but said nothing more regarding Senator Purple State's ideas.

Of note, Senator PiT stated in the thread that he had a regional legislature Dirty South constitutional amendment in the works.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Opinion: Profiles in Transition, By Senator Purple State
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 28, 2009, 09:47:19 PM
I'd like to point out that I didn't criticize PS, just the idea that more regional elections (or even retaining them at all) is the solution.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Opinion: Profiles in Transition, By Senator Purple State
Post by: Vepres on June 28, 2009, 09:59:24 PM
I'd like to point out that I didn't criticize PS, just the idea that more regional elections (or even retaining them at all) is the solution.

Noted. Article edited accordingly.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Opinion: Profiles in Transition, By Senator Purple State
Post by: Purple State on June 28, 2009, 10:23:08 PM
I'd like to point out that I didn't criticize PS, just the idea that more regional elections (or even retaining them at all) is the solution.

And I thank you for the sentiment. I would urge you (and anyone else, delegate or not) to propose broad visions or specific ideas in my thread in the ConCon so we can start working out the best way to move forward.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Opinion: Profiles in Transition, By Senator Purple State
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on June 28, 2009, 11:08:27 PM
I'd like to point out that I didn't criticize PS, just the idea that more regional elections (or even retaining them at all) is the solution.

And I thank you for the sentiment. I would urge you (and anyone else, delegate or not) to propose broad visions or specific ideas in my thread in the ConCon so we can start working out the best way to move forward.

So even non delegates can propose ideas on the convention, on government systems and so on?


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Opinion: Profiles in Transition, By Senator Purple State
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 29, 2009, 12:29:20 AM

Braindead reactionaries don't contribute much to the game, don't you think? Maybe you might try giving your solutions. Too bad you don't have any.

I did give a proposal (go read), it was ignored and then Purple State used the momentum generated by my discussion of it and presented some horrible bastardized version.

Edit: Also, I haven't posted much as of late partly because I've been, quite frankly, disgusted at Purple's horrible proposals and grandstanding, and this newspaper's literal obsession with him now.

This proposal has been dead for about a month and a half basically, and I've been doing something thinking.

Activity in Atlasia has taken a jump, even though of course some of the activity is from The 25's, I think that an entirely new government has lost considerable support amongst the people and this convention's activity, including mine here, has dropped to a record low. As such, I think we need to re-think our approach. We still have considerable problems in Atlasia and the best way to fix them IS through this convention, but let's take our current system as our model and make some improvements here and there.

  • Take our current Constitution and combine it with all the passed Amendments so it's alot cleaner and more organized, and make some changes where necessary to deal with Regional Powers and other small areas, etc.
  • Reduce the number of regions to three, the simplest way could be to divide the Midwest and the Mideast between the Pacific, Southeast, and Northeast regions. This still keeps the mode of some of the current regions but improves the system a bit.
  • Expand the size of the Senate to 15, perhaps having two elected by each of the three new expanded (and consequently more active) regions, and the remaining six elected at-large.
  • Deal with issues revolving around the GM, such as putting the position in the Constitution or putting it's responsibilities into a new job reminiscent of my "Department of Economic Affairs" or something.
  • Fix other misc. problems such as Absentee voting, Presidential powers, or anything else we need to deal with.

We can do all of this within the framework of our current constitution without the need to build and entirely new government. So, if Lief is willing to hear me out, and PS is willing to possibly scrap and rebuild this proposal like we did with Presidential Universalism, I think we can fix Atlasia without building an entirely new house and get something we can all agree with.

Edit #2: Guess where this went? No. Freaking. Where.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Opinion: Profiles in Transition, By Senator Purple State
Post by: Purple State on June 29, 2009, 08:17:24 PM
I'd like to point out that I didn't criticize PS, just the idea that more regional elections (or even retaining them at all) is the solution.

And I thank you for the sentiment. I would urge you (and anyone else, delegate or not) to propose broad visions or specific ideas in my thread in the ConCon so we can start working out the best way to move forward.

So even non delegates can propose ideas on the convention, on government systems and so on?

Absolutely. Everyone and anyone is welcome to post their ideas in the Convention. Only delegates will ultimately be able to vote on whatever proposals are created, but you are certainly able to contribute to the process.


Braindead reactionaries don't contribute much to the game, don't you think? Maybe you might try giving your solutions. Too bad you don't have any.

I did give a proposal (go read), it was ignored and then Purple State used the momentum generated by my discussion of it and presented some horrible bastardized version.

Edit: Also, I haven't posted much as of late partly because I've been, quite frankly, disgusted at Purple's horrible proposals and grandstanding, and this newspaper's literal obsession with him now.

I fail to see why you are taking my genuine wish to improve the game and trying to inject your demonstrable hyperpartisanship. You are free to disagree with my proposals, but to be so offensive while doing so is uncalled for.

Regarding your proposals, I agree with most of them. While I don't see the merit (or viability for passage) of reducing the number of regions and expanding the size of the Senate, I would be happy to discuss these things. You need to remember that, just as with the current proposals, anything the Convention passes has to pass regional voting. It needs to be viable in the regions. Your first idea can easily be implemented by citizens and the current AG. And if you think we should add the GM to the Constitution, I look forward to your Aye vote (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=98210.0) on my amendment to do just that.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Opinion: Profiles in Transition, By Senator Purple State
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on June 29, 2009, 08:25:10 PM
I'd like to point out that I didn't criticize PS, just the idea that more regional elections (or even retaining them at all) is the solution.

And I thank you for the sentiment. I would urge you (and anyone else, delegate or not) to propose broad visions or specific ideas in my thread in the ConCon so we can start working out the best way to move forward.

So even non delegates can propose ideas on the convention, on government systems and so on?

Absolutely. Everyone and anyone is welcome to post their ideas in the Convention. Only delegates will ultimately be able to vote on whatever proposals are created, but you are certainly able to contribute to the process.

Sounds good. Where are propositions to be posted?


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Opinion: Profiles in Transition, By Senator Purple State
Post by: Purple State on June 29, 2009, 08:30:38 PM
I'd like to point out that I didn't criticize PS, just the idea that more regional elections (or even retaining them at all) is the solution.

And I thank you for the sentiment. I would urge you (and anyone else, delegate or not) to propose broad visions or specific ideas in my thread in the ConCon so we can start working out the best way to move forward.

So even non delegates can propose ideas on the convention, on government systems and so on?

Absolutely. Everyone and anyone is welcome to post their ideas in the Convention. Only delegates will ultimately be able to vote on whatever proposals are created, but you are certainly able to contribute to the process.

Sounds good. Where are propositions to be posted?

I plan on using this thread (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=98178.0) for discussing and compiling ideas for proposals. That would be the best place to start. And you can read up on what others are proposing as well.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Opinion: Profiles in Transition, By Senator Purple State
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on June 29, 2009, 08:38:22 PM
I'd like to point out that I didn't criticize PS, just the idea that more regional elections (or even retaining them at all) is the solution.

And I thank you for the sentiment. I would urge you (and anyone else, delegate or not) to propose broad visions or specific ideas in my thread in the ConCon so we can start working out the best way to move forward.

So even non delegates can propose ideas on the convention, on government systems and so on?

Absolutely. Everyone and anyone is welcome to post their ideas in the Convention. Only delegates will ultimately be able to vote on whatever proposals are created, but you are certainly able to contribute to the process.

Sounds good. Where are propositions to be posted?

I plan on using this thread (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=98178.0) for discussing and compiling ideas for proposals. That would be the best place to start. And you can read up on what others are proposing as well.

OK, I currently am about to post my ideas in that topic. Though I am not sure if anything similar has been suggested already, but anyway.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Senator-elect Hashemite
Post by: Vepres on June 29, 2009, 09:41:36 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Interview with Senator-elect Hashemite
by Vepres

Today, June 29, 2009, I interviewed Senator-elect Hashemite (DA-ME).


Vepres: First of all, I would like to thank you for allowing us to interview you. On to the questions.

First, how do you feel about your job performance as Secretary of External Affairs (SOEA)? Is there anything you regret?


Hashemite: It is my pleasure. I feel that I was generally successful as SoEA, doing the job as best I possibly could and doing as much as I realistically could be expected to do. I feel that I was, at times, inactive, and I regret being inactive at certain times. However, I regret that the SoEA's job was, until the recent legislation, very vague and with very little power. I hope that the new legislation will clarify the expectations for the job, and I will continue working so that the SoEA's actions and work is taken seriously by the Senate and the White House.


Do you wish the senate gave the SoEA more powers or responsibilities?


Optimally, but I don't see how it could. What I want is to revalourize the work of the SoEA. For example, I believe once a Foreign Policy Review is complete, the Senate should debate, amend and pass the review. Furthermore, Senators should take a vested interest in the SoEA's job, work and role.


Has either Presidential candidate contacted you about remain SoEA during their administration? Would you want to stay on?


I was elected to the Senate and I fully intend to serve as Senator.


What are your top priorities in terms of legislation in the Senate?

I will introduce legislation related to the objectives I outlined in my campaign thread, most notably the creation of a public and accessible Senate notice board, an idea which received the support of numerous prominent Atlasians.


As you may or may not know, Senator Purple State has changed the direction of the convention from changing the framework of the game to reforming the current system? Firstly, do you support this change in direction, and secondly, what changes/reforms would you like to see come out of the convention?

I am in theory opposed to the change of discussion from a new constitution to minor "fake" reforms, but I realistically understand that the forces of status-quo have undoubtedly prevailed and any work done for a new constitution will be shot down by these same forces of status-quo. I fully intend to work, in my capacity as delegate, with others to reform atleast something in a system that's undeniably flawed. I will work for real reform, reform that changes important things and reform that takes into account the problems faced by Atlasia. I will oppose any "fake" reforms to change one word here or there or minor tweaks that fail to touch on the important issues. I will make sure the Convention addresses the issues of very low regional activity, poor regional leadership, regional stagnation and decline; among others; in an acceptable way and not in a extremely flawed "everything's fine" approach that seems to be favoured by many here.


You seem to believe, based on what you said, that regional stagnation is one of your biggest concerns. What would be your solution in an ideal world? What do you think you could realistically do?

The truth is, most regions are woefully inactive. Few citizens participate in the initiative process, if the Governors even bother to have one. Elections to regional jobs and regional Senate seats are uncontested or poorly contested. We need competent Governors who are active at all times, Governors who carry out their constitutional duties at all times and on time. We should also remove positions which have extremely little power (if they're even filled) and cannot be sustained in the current environment. For example, Lt. Governors and CJOs. Assemblies are a good idea, though they need to be small so that it doesn't become a universal chamber for all citizens. However, some regions, such as the Midwest, may not even have enough citizens or active citizens for an Assembly to be viable. For that reason, regional boundary reforms is a solution that needs to be taken seriously. I cannot do much alone, but hopefully, with others who share my views, we can make real progress in regional issues and provide a real, viable and sane solution to the issue - which is of utmost importance, obviously.


Would you reduce the number of regions, or simply redraw the boundaries so there are an equal number of citizens in each region as well as roughly a similar amount of people from the three parties proportional to the national party id?


I do not favour any of these ideas over the others at the same time over the other, however, I will refuse to support gerrymandered regions in the name of equal party ID. I am open to discussion and debate of these ideas, something which is lacking, I feel.


I'd like to thank you for doing this interview, and good luck in the Senate.

I thank you for your time.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Senator-elect Hashemite
Post by: Purple State on June 29, 2009, 10:01:01 PM
I agree with Hash. We definitely should remove unnecessary regional positions, just as we did in the Mideast Constitution. Also, if progress is made on the Council of Governors idea, I think allowing the Senate to redistrict once a year by a four-fifths majority, with majority approval by the Governors, would provide a good balance and maintain relatively equal regions.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Senator-elect Hashemite
Post by: Vepres on June 29, 2009, 10:12:08 PM
I agree with Hash. We definitely should remove unnecessary regional positions, just as we did in the Mideast Constitution. Also, if progress is made on the Council of Governors idea, I think allowing the Senate to redistrict once a year by a four-fifths majority, with majority approval by the Governors, would provide a good balance and maintain relatively equal regions.

I would prefer they remain static so regional identity remains. However, I guess we could put something like that in there so we don't get a new Pacific-esque region


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Senator-elect Hashemite
Post by: Purple State on June 29, 2009, 10:13:44 PM
I agree with Hash. We definitely should remove unnecessary regional positions, just as we did in the Mideast Constitution. Also, if progress is made on the Council of Governors idea, I think allowing the Senate to redistrict once a year by a four-fifths majority, with majority approval by the Governors, would provide a good balance and maintain relatively equal regions.

I would prefer they remain static so regional identity remains. However, I guess we could put something like that in there so we don't get a new Pacific-esque region

Redistricting wouldn't drastically change the regions. It would simply move one or two states to even out the number of residents in each.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Senator-elect Hashemite
Post by: Vepres on June 29, 2009, 10:15:04 PM
I agree with Hash. We definitely should remove unnecessary regional positions, just as we did in the Mideast Constitution. Also, if progress is made on the Council of Governors idea, I think allowing the Senate to redistrict once a year by a four-fifths majority, with majority approval by the Governors, would provide a good balance and maintain relatively equal regions.

I would prefer they remain static so regional identity remains. However, I guess we could put something like that in there so we don't get a new Pacific-esque region

Redistricting wouldn't drastically change the regions. It would simply move one or two states to even out the number of residents in each.

I see.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Senator-elect Hashemite
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 29, 2009, 10:31:35 PM
I agree with Senator-elect on the SoEA, and I would like to see more interaction between the cabinet members and the Senate.

As for unnecessary regions I would disagree that the Judicial officer ensures that all three branches are represented in the Regions, and since this is an American simulation I would prefer to keep that. I also think that risks weakening the regions. The Lt. Governor serves no purpose except make daily inquires on the health of the Governor. LOL :). As such I think it is not the end of the world if isn't filled yet keeping the position around can be a good opportunity to allow a newbie to get good feel for running for, and holding, an officer before becoming Governor, or Senator.

Finally the idea of redistricting every year by the Senate without the consent of the regions would number one violate my principles of regionalism ;) and more importantly sets a precedent whereby the Senate could gerrymander them to preserve the majority in power at the time. It sets a very bad precedent.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Senator-elect Hashemite
Post by: Purple State on June 29, 2009, 10:45:47 PM
I agree with Senator-elect on the SoEA, and I would like to see more interaction between the cabinet members and the Senate.

As for unnecessary regions I would disagree that the Judicial officer ensures that all three branches are represented in the Regions, and since this is an American simulation I would prefer to keep that. I also think that risks weakening the regions. The Lt. Governor serves no purpose except make daily inquires on the health of the Governor. LOL :). As such I think it is not the end of the world if isn't filled yet keeping the position around can be a good opportunity to allow a newbie to get good feel for running for, and holding, an officer before becoming Governor, or Senator.

Finally the idea of redistricting every year by the Senate without the consent of the regions would number one violate my principles of regionalism ;) and more importantly sets a precedent whereby the Senate could gerrymander them to preserve the majority in power at the time. It sets a very bad precedent.

Which is why I proposed the CoG must confirm any changes to the regions that are passed by a supermajority of the Senate. And regional legislatures would replace the Lt. Gov. as the training ground for new members.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Senator-elect Hashemite
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 30, 2009, 04:08:31 AM
Great Hash, as always. :D


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Purple State Tries to Steer the ConCon in a New Direction
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on June 30, 2009, 04:33:00 PM
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=92890.0

lol


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Senator-elect Hashemite
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on June 30, 2009, 04:35:05 PM
I agree with Senator-elect on the SoEA, and I would like to see more interaction between the cabinet members and the Senate.

As for unnecessary regions I would disagree that the Judicial officer ensures that all three branches are represented in the Regions, and since this is an American simulation I would prefer to keep that. I also think that risks weakening the regions. The Lt. Governor serves no purpose except make daily inquires on the health of the Governor. LOL :). As such I think it is not the end of the world if isn't filled yet keeping the position around can be a good opportunity to allow a newbie to get good feel for running for, and holding, an officer before becoming Governor, or Senator.

Finally the idea of redistricting every year by the Senate without the consent of the regions would number one violate my principles of regionalism ;) and more importantly sets a precedent whereby the Senate could gerrymander them to preserve the majority in power at the time. It sets a very bad precedent.

Explain this to me. I've never understood this, especially since the regions are creations of the central government and not vice versa.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Fair Interest Rates Bill Signed Into Law
Post by: Vepres on July 01, 2009, 05:40:44 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Fair Interest Rates Bill Signed Into Law
by Vepres

The Fair Interest Rates Bill was signed into law by President Bgwah today. The bill capped interest rates on credit cards as well as banning payday loans. The fourth clause included a regionally administered credit education course.

Quote from: Fourth Clause of Fair Interest Rates Bill
4. The government of each region shall administer a 6-hour education course on the proper use and risks of credit. Upon completion of the course and passage of a final examination, the government shall offer a loan equal to one year's worth of credit card payments, which shall be paid back to the government at an interest rate of 10%. A passing grade on the final examination shall be deemed as performance exceeding 75%, not to be interpreted as to prevent or overwrite stricter grades in any region.

The bill's text can be found here (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=post;topic=97485.195;num_replies=206#top).


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Fair Interest Rates Bill Signed Into Law
Post by: MasterJedi on July 01, 2009, 05:44:35 PM
It's actually this:

The government of each region shall administer a 6-hour education course on the proper use and risks of credit. Upon completion of the course and passage of a final examination, the government shall offer a loan equal to one year's worth of credit card payments, which shall be paid back to the government at an interest rate of 10%. A passing grade on the final examination shall be deemed as performance exceeding 75%, not to be interpreted as to prevent or overwrite stricter grades in any region.

My bad for not putting that in the quote for final passage. But everyone knew it was there. :P


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Fair Interest Rates Bill Signed Into Law
Post by: Vepres on July 01, 2009, 05:49:53 PM
It's actually this:

The government of each region shall administer a 6-hour education course on the proper use and risks of credit. Upon completion of the course and passage of a final examination, the government shall offer a loan equal to one year's worth of credit card payments, which shall be paid back to the government at an interest rate of 10%. A passing grade on the final examination shall be deemed as performance exceeding 75%, not to be interpreted as to prevent or overwrite stricter grades in any region.

My bad for not putting that in the quote for final passage. But everyone knew it was there. :P

Fixed.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Fair Interest Rates Bill Signed Into Law
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on July 01, 2009, 06:21:20 PM
It is, in my opinion, the best economic legislation we've implemented in awhile.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Fair Interest Rates Bill Signed Into Law
Post by: Sam Spade on July 02, 2009, 01:28:43 AM
The Fair Interest Rates Bill is a good example of legislation written by kids who can't do math and who don't understand how lending works.

Which is not terribly surprising.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Fair Interest Rates Bill Signed Into Law
Post by: Purple State on July 02, 2009, 01:37:40 AM
The Fair Interest Rates Bill is a good example of legislation written by kids who can't do math and who don't understand how lending works.

Which is not terribly surprising.

So comment when we are debating these things and help us out. I know you have a better understanding of economics than most people on the forum. Don't just wait for us to pass stuff and then criticize it. Play an active role in shaping policy.

If you propose something better I will gladly propose it next session.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Fair Interest Rates Bill Signed Into Law
Post by: Lief 🗽 on July 02, 2009, 03:06:06 PM
The Fair Interest Rates Bill is a good example of legislation written by kids who can't do math and who don't understand how lending works.

Which is not terribly surprising.

So comment when we are debating these things and help us out. I know you have a better understanding of economics than most people on the forum. Don't just wait for us to pass stuff and then criticize it. Play an active role in shaping policy.

If you propose something better I will gladly propose it next session.

Hahah, PS, Sam doesn't work that way. He's much too intelligent to do anything besides vaguely criticizing us proles.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Fair Interest Rates Bill Signed Into Law
Post by: Vepres on July 03, 2009, 04:07:59 PM
Lot's of activity; I'll have an update soon.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: No President!
Post by: Vepres on July 03, 2009, 04:35:12 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
No President!
by Vepres

After the extremely close June '09 Presidential election, Senator PiT, a candidate in the election, sued the Secretary of Forum Affairs EarlAW for allowing Senator Marokai to vote twice. PiT aruged that  “[Marokai] invalidated his vote, pursuant to section 6, clause 4 & section 10, clause 3 of the Consolidated Electoral System Reform Act.” This is significant because, should Marokai's vote be invalidated, PiT would become President instead of Lief.

It is not so clear cut however. Marokai's original vote did not appear in the voting booth, only in Marokai's post history. It is then argued that because of that, the SoFA was allowed to authorize Marokai to vote again.

The case has dragged on until today, when the President-elect is supposed to be sworn in. Because the winner of the Presidential race is not clear, nobody was sworn in as President. The supreme court stated that Bgwah would remain President until a winner had been found.

However, Peter sued the supreme court because he believes that Keystone Phil is the temporary President. Justice Sam Spade dismissed this, saying the court's ruling was only temporary. Yet others, such as Senator Purple State, argue that the SoFA should be acting President because he is next in the line of succession. However, Peter argued that he shouldn't be President because he is involved in the original case, and therefore AG Phil should be acting President.

Just in, Chief Justice bullmoose88 says a court opinion will be up tonight. For now, unclear as to who is acting President.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: No President!
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on July 03, 2009, 05:14:14 PM
And this is why the Revolution has been implemented.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: No President!
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 03, 2009, 05:51:55 PM
I've almost registered and there is already a Constitutionnal Crisis ! :o :o :o


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: No President!
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on July 03, 2009, 05:54:27 PM
I definitely agree that I should be President ;)


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: No President!
Post by: Purple State on July 03, 2009, 06:01:05 PM
I definitely agree that I should be President ;)

I don't see why not. Conflict of interest is not cited (nor should it be) as a reason to ignore the line of succession. As the SoFA will likely always be at the center of such conflicts, it was then silly to place it at such a high place in the order if it would just be ignored.

I have also proposed a new line of succession legislation to ensure that it is clear from now on who is in charge.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: No President!
Post by: Lief 🗽 on July 03, 2009, 06:09:17 PM
I, for one, recognize the authority of Acting President Earl. I offer him my full support in these difficult times.

Though if Bgwah wants to be President for another day that's cool as well. Whatevs.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: No President!
Post by: Purple State on July 03, 2009, 06:36:27 PM
As no one has sworn in as acting President, which would also require them to resign from any current positions they may hold, I recognize no presidential authority in Atlasia at the moment. Hopefully the court's decision will fix that soon enough.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: No President!
Post by: Fritz on July 03, 2009, 06:39:44 PM
As no one has sworn in as acting President, which would also require them to resign from any current positions they may hold, I recognize no presidential authority in Atlasia at the moment. Hopefully the court's decision will fix that soon enough.

Actually Phil did, but it got deleted.  He didn't resign as AG though.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: No President!
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on July 03, 2009, 06:40:49 PM
As no one has sworn in as acting President, which would also require them to resign from any current positions they may hold, I recognize no presidential authority in Atlasia at the moment. Hopefully the court's decision will fix that soon enough.

Actually Phil did, but it got deleted.  He didn't resign as AG though.

That's because Phil is a troll. ;)


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: No President!
Post by: Purple State on July 03, 2009, 06:41:37 PM
As no one has sworn in as acting President, which would also require them to resign from any current positions they may hold, I recognize no presidential authority in Atlasia at the moment. Hopefully the court's decision will fix that soon enough.

Actually Phil did, but it got deleted.  He didn't resign as AG though.

In which case his assumption of the presidency would be invalid. In addition, as SoFA EarlAW would be the appropriate next in line to assume the presidency, he would have to indicate he did not want the position for Phil to have such authority. Since Earl indicated he would be open to serving as acting President, I see no reason for Phil to have acted so hastily.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: No President!
Post by: Barnes on July 03, 2009, 06:41:58 PM
Someone should change the first page of the Wiki to say "President: Vacant and Vice President: Vacant".  And make a page called "The Atlasian 2009 Constitutional Crisis"!


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Lief is now President
Post by: Vepres on July 03, 2009, 09:54:50 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Lief is now President
by Vepres

Today, the supreme court ruled in favor of the SoFA in the case challenging the validity of Marokai's vote. The court stated that PiT failed to provide enough evidence that Marokai's first vote existed, and further more that the law was intended to prevent manipulation of the system, not to disenfranchise voters who suffer from a forum glitch.

The court upheld the SoFA's results, and stated that the President and Vice President should swear into their offices.

Therefore, Lief is now President and Bacon King is now Vice President (once they are sworn in).


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Lief is now President
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 03, 2009, 10:05:41 PM
I would urge all Atlasians to accept this rulling for the good of the country and to not hold any bitterness, anger, or resentement over this rulling.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Lief is now President
Post by: Barnes on July 03, 2009, 10:10:34 PM
I would urge all Atlasians to accept this rulling for the good of the country and to not hold any bitterness, anger, or resentement over this rulling.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Lief is now President
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 04, 2009, 03:43:24 AM
I would urge all Atlasians to accept this rulling for the good of the country and to not hold any bitterness, anger, or resentement over this rulling.

Time's up for peace...


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Lief is now President
Post by: Purple State on July 05, 2009, 01:54:14 AM
I would urge all Atlasians to accept this rulling for the good of the country and to not hold any bitterness, anger, or resentement over this rulling.

Accepted. Was there a fear that we wouldn't? ;)

I totally missed all the excitement today. Too bad. Well, I congratulate Lief and BK on a well run, clean campaign and I look forward to working with them in the next term.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Lief is now President
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 05, 2009, 02:17:35 PM
I would urge all Atlasians to accept this rulling for the good of the country and to not hold any bitterness, anger, or resentement over this rulling.

Accepted. Was there a fear that we wouldn't? ;)

I totally missed all the excitement today. Too bad. Well, I congratulate Lief and BK on a well run, clean campaign and I look forward to working with them in the next term.

No but there were protests in the streets of Nyman according to the GM. Also there were some threats from "certain" people.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Lack of Consensus in the ConCon, CoG Debate is the Focus
Post by: Vepres on July 07, 2009, 11:53:12 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Lack of Consensus in the ConCon, CoG Debate is the Focus
by Vepres

As we reported earlier, Senator Purple State, the presiding officer of the constitutional convention, attempted to steer the convention in a new direction. Now the ConCon is attempting to simply reform the current system, instead of building a new system from scratch. Many ideas have been thrown around, yet there is a lack of consensus among the delegates. Purple State seems to be most interested in encouraging regional reform with the new system, as well as reducing the number of elected positions to increase the competitiveness of elections.

Quote from: Senator Purple State
My goal is to see what has the best, most productive ripple affect and implement it. I wouldn't mind reducing the number of nationally elected seats to make those more competitive, but we need to find a way to induce regional reform. I don't believe legislatures are inherently better than initiatives, but I believe active governors are necessary. So how can we make races for governor more competitive? That's really the biggest question?

He repeatedly emphasized that the reforms must encourage the Governors to be active. The only idea that has seen the much support is creating a council of governors (CoG). They would, in addition to their other gubernatorial activities, approve of legislation passed in the Senate before it would be presented to the President. Supporters of this argue that it would not only reduce the number of offices, as it removes five Senate seats, which would in theory increase the competitiveness of Atlasia's elections, but also ensure that the governors were active citizens of Atlasia.

It is not without it's opponents however.

Quote from: Senator Afleitch
Why does this Council of Governors idea seem to pop up from time to time? I genuinely cannot think of anything more grotesque than 'doubling' up offices and effectively abolishing 5 senators/offices to impliment it.

However, the main debate now seems to be focused around Senator North Carolina Yankee's firm support of regional senate seats, regardless if there is a CoG or not. Many want to eliminate the regional seats and make a CoG in their place. NCYankee doesn't support that however.

Quote from: Senator North Carolina Yankee
Keep in mind that me and Purple State are still trying to come to an agreement. The hang up is one how to make the Governors races more competitive without removing Regional Senate seats. I will support the CoG as a way to make the Governor's positions more valuable, but the Regional Senate seats is where I draw the line.

A compromise has yet to be reached, and it's unclear when a draft of the amendments will begin to be written.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Lack of Consensus in the ConCon, CoG Debate is the Focus
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on July 08, 2009, 12:40:57 AM
I called it...


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview With Fritz
Post by: Vepres on July 09, 2009, 05:53:19 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Interview With Fritz
by Vepres

I interviewed Fritz, a candidate in the special Senate election.


Vepres: First, I would like to thank you for allowing us to interview you.

Fritz: Thank you for having me.


So, why have you suddenly become interested in seeking elected office?

This country needs strong leaders who will be able to understand and analyse the arguments being presented in the Senate from both opposing points of view, and come to the most rational conclusion.  I believe that is the type of Senator I will be.  While I am a member of the JCP, I do not intend to vote strictly along party lines.   My brief tenure with the DA testifies to my centrist qualities.
 

What is your primary goal, legislation wise, in the senate?

My first priority is universal health care, this is so important.  I intend to begin drafting this legislation as soon as I am elected.


How would you ensure universal coverage in your plan? What ideas do you have at this point?

I support a single payer health plan, such as is found in Canada and Australia.  These plans are not government run health care systems, but they do guarantee coverage for all.  I am open to debate on the best ways to implement this, the most important thing is that we guarantee coverage for all Atlasians.


What are your thoughts on the "Federal Government Accountability and Oversight Reform" bill?

It appears to be a sensible piece of legislation.  I will vote in favor of it, if it is still on the floor when I am sworn in.



How do you feel about the general direction being taken in the Constitutional Convention? What ideas stand out to you?


I am very pleased that the Convention has changed directions from attempting to write an entirely new Constitution, that was unnecessary.  The changes that are made to the Constitution should enhance the game in some fashion.  I am personally in favor of the proposal to replace regional Senators with the Council of Governors.  This would eliminate the uncompetitive regional Senate elections, as well as make the position of Governor much more interesting.  I realize there is a lot of opposition to this idea, however, and I am willing to listen to opposing points of view.


How do feel about your chances of winning? After all, you are running against a very established and well known RPP candidate and former Senator Downwithdaleft.


I think we have just recently seen how close elections in Atlasia can be.  Honestly, I feel my chances are fifty-fifty.  This could go either way.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview With Fritz
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on July 09, 2009, 06:55:52 PM
Quote
I support a single payer health plan,

     :o


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview With Fritz
Post by: Countess Anya of the North Parish on July 09, 2009, 07:02:46 PM
Quote
I support a single payer health plan,

     :o
it is better than nothing.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview With Fritz
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 09, 2009, 07:08:24 PM
Quote
I support a single payer health plan,

     :o
it is better than nothing.

As long as people are lazy and refuse to take responsibililty for the own well being, no reform will be affordable. A better term for this is third party Health care. People currently view health insurance the same way. Instead of comparison shopping, asking about prices and generics, they just hand over the card be done with it. Prices can very be as much as 19% among hospitals. 


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview With Fritz
Post by: Countess Anya of the North Parish on July 09, 2009, 07:20:09 PM
Quote
I support a single payer health plan,

     :o
it is better than nothing.

As long as people are lazy and refuse to take responsibililty for the own well being, no reform will be affordable. A better term for this is third party Health care. People currently view health insurance the same way. Instead of comparison shopping, asking about prices and generics, they just hand over the card be done with it. Prices can very be as much as 19% among hospitals. 
also it seems to disappear when someone is ill and needs it.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview With Fritz
Post by: MasterJedi on July 09, 2009, 07:23:33 PM
Quote
I support a single payer health plan,

     :o
it is better than nothing.

As long as people are lazy and refuse to take responsibililty for the own well being, no reform will be affordable. A better term for this is third party Health care. People currently view health insurance the same way. Instead of comparison shopping, asking about prices and generics, they just hand over the card be done with it. Prices can very be as much as 19% among hospitals. 
also it seems to disappear when someone is ill and needs it.

lol


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview With Fritz
Post by: Purple State on July 09, 2009, 07:24:36 PM
Quote
I support a single payer health plan,

     :o
it is better than nothing.

True, but not better than a French or (fingers crossed) new American system.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview With Fritz
Post by: Countess Anya of the North Parish on July 09, 2009, 07:32:02 PM
Quote
I support a single payer health plan,

     :o
it is better than nothing.

True, but not better than a French or (fingers crossed) new American system.

well we have to start somewhere.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview With Fritz
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on July 09, 2009, 07:36:40 PM
Quote
I support a single payer health plan,

     :o
it is better than nothing.

True, but not better than a French or (fingers crossed) new American system.

well we have to start somewhere.

     So start with one of the more overarching, restrictive systems?


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview With Fritz
Post by: Lief 🗽 on July 09, 2009, 07:45:03 PM
Quote
I support a single payer health plan,

     :o
it is better than nothing.

As long as people are lazy and refuse to take responsibililty for the own well being, no reform will be affordable. A better term for this is third party Health care. People currently view health insurance the same way. Instead of comparison shopping, asking about prices and generics, they just hand over the card be done with it. Prices can very be as much as 19% among hospitals. 

There are a lot of things wrong with what you just said. First of all, unlike with a consumer good or something, health insurance doesn't follow a lot of the normal rules of supply and demand. You can "shop around" for a new TV because if you don't find one that you like or one that is cheap enough, you can just not buy one or buy a used one or buy a smaller one. With health insurance when you're sick, on the other hand, you either buy it or you die; the supplier has all the power and the consumer has very little. Secondly, in many areas, there's no such thing as choice between insurance options, as there are only one or two insurance providers in the area. This is especially problematic in rural areas. Finally, depending on your insurance plan, you might not be able to "shop around" when it comes to hospitals or treatments either, as often times your insurance company tells you where you should go or will only pay for treatment at certain hospitals.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview With Fritz
Post by: Countess Anya of the North Parish on July 09, 2009, 07:51:40 PM
Quote
I support a single payer health plan,

     :o
it is better than nothing.

True, but not better than a French or (fingers crossed) new American system.

well we have to start somewhere.

     So start with one of the more overarching, restrictive systems?
well i don't see someone else having a better idea. Plus there is always be some who dislikes an idea.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview With Fritz
Post by: Purple State on July 09, 2009, 07:56:35 PM
It will be amended and worked on in the Senate. Look what we did to DWTL's Free Palestine Bill a few Senates ago.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview With Fritz
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on July 09, 2009, 07:58:03 PM
Quote
I support a single payer health plan,

     :o
it is better than nothing.

True, but not better than a French or (fingers crossed) new American system.

well we have to start somewhere.

     So start with one of the more overarching, restrictive systems?
well i don't see someone else having a better idea. Plus there is always be some who dislikes an idea.

     Fair enough, then. I guess it depends on where your priorities lie.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview With Fritz
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 09, 2009, 08:15:35 PM
Quote
I support a single payer health plan,

     :o
it is better than nothing.

As long as people are lazy and refuse to take responsibililty for the own well being, no reform will be affordable. A better term for this is third party Health care. People currently view health insurance the same way. Instead of comparison shopping, asking about prices and generics, they just hand over the card be done with it. Prices can very be as much as 19% among hospitals. 

There are a lot of things wrong with what you just said. First of all, unlike with a consumer good or something, health insurance doesn't follow a lot of the normal rules of supply and demand. You can "shop around" for a new TV because if you don't find one that you like or one that is cheap enough, you can just not buy one or buy a used one or buy a smaller one. With health insurance when you're sick, on the other hand, you either buy it or you die; the supplier has all the power and the consumer has very little. Secondly, in many areas, there's no such thing as choice between insurance options, as there are only one or two insurance providers in the area. This is especially problematic in rural areas. Finally, depending on your insurance plan, you might not be able to "shop around" when it comes to hospitals or treatments either, as often times your insurance company tells you where you should go or will only pay for treatment at certain hospitals.

In some cases you are right but not all surgeries are life and death and many are completely elective. Health Consumerism can be made possible with a few simple reforms. Like the lack of competition and the almost cartel like relationship between Hospitals/Doctors and the insurance companies. I am in support of some kind of plan to help the poor, but I would oppose all such measures untill these  issues are addressed.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview With Fritz
Post by: Vepres on July 09, 2009, 11:32:25 PM
Quote
I support a single payer health plan,

     :o
it is better than nothing.

As long as people are lazy and refuse to take responsibililty for the own well being, no reform will be affordable. A better term for this is third party Health care. People currently view health insurance the same way. Instead of comparison shopping, asking about prices and generics, they just hand over the card be done with it. Prices can very be as much as 19% among hospitals. 

There are a lot of things wrong with what you just said. First of all, unlike with a consumer good or something, health insurance doesn't follow a lot of the normal rules of supply and demand. You can "shop around" for a new TV because if you don't find one that you like or one that is cheap enough, you can just not buy one or buy a used one or buy a smaller one. With health insurance when you're sick, on the other hand, you either buy it or you die; the supplier has all the power and the consumer has very little. Secondly, in many areas, there's no such thing as choice between insurance options, as there are only one or two insurance providers in the area. This is especially problematic in rural areas. Finally, depending on your insurance plan, you might not be able to "shop around" when it comes to hospitals or treatments either, as often times your insurance company tells you where you should go or will only pay for treatment at certain hospitals.

You know you can walk into an ER for free and they have to take you.


As long as people are lazy and refuse to take responsibililty for the own well being, no reform will be affordable. A better term for this is third party Health care. People currently view health insurance the same way. Instead of comparison shopping, asking about prices and generics, they just hand over the card be done with it. Prices can very be as much as 19% among hospitals. 

1. They're often forced into one by their employer. As the business secures deals with the insurance company, it is far cheaper than if you bought it on your own. Very few people can afford to pay premiums without the aid of an employer.

2. The health insurance industry is not competitive at all. As to why, it probably has to do with over regulation combined with excellent lobbying.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview With Fritz
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 09, 2009, 11:45:43 PM
Quote
I support a single payer health plan,

     :o
it is better than nothing.

As long as people are lazy and refuse to take responsibililty for the own well being, no reform will be affordable. A better term for this is third party Health care. People currently view health insurance the same way. Instead of comparison shopping, asking about prices and generics, they just hand over the card be done with it. Prices can very be as much as 19% among hospitals. 

There are a lot of things wrong with what you just said. First of all, unlike with a consumer good or something, health insurance doesn't follow a lot of the normal rules of supply and demand. You can "shop around" for a new TV because if you don't find one that you like or one that is cheap enough, you can just not buy one or buy a used one or buy a smaller one. With health insurance when you're sick, on the other hand, you either buy it or you die; the supplier has all the power and the consumer has very little. Secondly, in many areas, there's no such thing as choice between insurance options, as there are only one or two insurance providers in the area. This is especially problematic in rural areas. Finally, depending on your insurance plan, you might not be able to "shop around" when it comes to hospitals or treatments either, as often times your insurance company tells you where you should go or will only pay for treatment at certain hospitals.

You know you can walk into an ER for free and they have to take you.


As long as people are lazy and refuse to take responsibililty for the own well being, no reform will be affordable. A better term for this is third party Health care. People currently view health insurance the same way. Instead of comparison shopping, asking about prices and generics, they just hand over the card be done with it. Prices can very be as much as 19% among hospitals. 

1. They're often forced into one by their employer. As the business secures deals with the insurance company, it is far cheaper than if you bought it on your own. Very few people can afford to pay premiums without the aid of an employer.

2. The health insurance industry is not competitive at all. As to why, it probably has to do with over regulation combined with excellent lobbying.

And is there a reason why those two things can't be corrected. If people shopped around or at least those who could did, it will decrease prices making insurance more affordable and encourage price competition. You change regulation that hurts competition and work to again reduce prices through competition. I know, when my dad got laid off we would have to have paid three times as much for the insurance, allmost 1,000 dollars a month to keep it, then we did when he was employed. It was pretty damn good coverage two, and as such it had the price to match. We need to get those prices down and encourage ways to help people afford there health care once they get laid off. It will be much easier to cover everyone once we achieve what I am talking about, then to just jump in an pick up the tab.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview With Fritz
Post by: Purple State on July 09, 2009, 11:48:25 PM
Are we going to finish the whole debate before it even hits the Senate floor?


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview With Fritz
Post by: Vepres on July 10, 2009, 12:17:08 AM
Are we going to finish the whole debate before it even hits the Senate floor?

Yes.


Quote
I support a single payer health plan,

     :o
it is better than nothing.

As long as people are lazy and refuse to take responsibililty for the own well being, no reform will be affordable. A better term for this is third party Health care. People currently view health insurance the same way. Instead of comparison shopping, asking about prices and generics, they just hand over the card be done with it. Prices can very be as much as 19% among hospitals. 

There are a lot of things wrong with what you just said. First of all, unlike with a consumer good or something, health insurance doesn't follow a lot of the normal rules of supply and demand. You can "shop around" for a new TV because if you don't find one that you like or one that is cheap enough, you can just not buy one or buy a used one or buy a smaller one. With health insurance when you're sick, on the other hand, you either buy it or you die; the supplier has all the power and the consumer has very little. Secondly, in many areas, there's no such thing as choice between insurance options, as there are only one or two insurance providers in the area. This is especially problematic in rural areas. Finally, depending on your insurance plan, you might not be able to "shop around" when it comes to hospitals or treatments either, as often times your insurance company tells you where you should go or will only pay for treatment at certain hospitals.

You know you can walk into an ER for free and they have to take you.


As long as people are lazy and refuse to take responsibililty for the own well being, no reform will be affordable. A better term for this is third party Health care. People currently view health insurance the same way. Instead of comparison shopping, asking about prices and generics, they just hand over the card be done with it. Prices can very be as much as 19% among hospitals. 

1. They're often forced into one by their employer. As the business secures deals with the insurance company, it is far cheaper than if you bought it on your own. Very few people can afford to pay premiums without the aid of an employer.

2. The health insurance industry is not competitive at all. As to why, it probably has to do with over regulation combined with excellent lobbying.

And is there a reason why those two things can't be corrected. If people shopped around or at least those who could did, it will decrease prices making insurance more affordable and encourage price competition. You change regulation that hurts competition and work to again reduce prices through competition. I know, when my dad got laid off we would have to have paid three times as much for the insurance, allmost 1,000 dollars a month to keep it, then we did when he was employed. It was pretty damn good coverage two, and as such it had the price to match. We need to get those prices down and encourage ways to help people afford there health care once they get laid off. It will be much easier to cover everyone once we achieve what I am talking about, then to just jump in an pick up the tab.

Sure, they can be corrected, but it's not so simple. Yes, in theory, if everybody started shopping for their personal insurance it would drive prices down, but it is so much more expensive to do that, so much so that many literally cannot do it. As you said, your father had to devote $12k to health insurance. Now what of somebody who makes only 30k a year. Well, a third is taxed (not sure about Atlasia's tax code, is it even clear), so that leaves 20k. So over half of his income adjusted for taxes goes to health insurance. Not good.

I agree with you that there are regulations that hurt competition. Modernization, as well as removal of redundant laws are a step in the right direction. But realize that people cannot suddenly buy their own insurance in the marketplace en masse.

By the way, have medicare and medicaid been addressed in Atlasia?


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview With Fritz
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 10, 2009, 12:43:19 AM
Are we going to finish the whole debate before it even hits the Senate floor?

Yes.


Quote
I support a single payer health plan,

     :o
it is better than nothing.

As long as people are lazy and refuse to take responsibililty for the own well being, no reform will be affordable. A better term for this is third party Health care. People currently view health insurance the same way. Instead of comparison shopping, asking about prices and generics, they just hand over the card be done with it. Prices can very be as much as 19% among hospitals. 

There are a lot of things wrong with what you just said. First of all, unlike with a consumer good or something, health insurance doesn't follow a lot of the normal rules of supply and demand. You can "shop around" for a new TV because if you don't find one that you like or one that is cheap enough, you can just not buy one or buy a used one or buy a smaller one. With health insurance when you're sick, on the other hand, you either buy it or you die; the supplier has all the power and the consumer has very little. Secondly, in many areas, there's no such thing as choice between insurance options, as there are only one or two insurance providers in the area. This is especially problematic in rural areas. Finally, depending on your insurance plan, you might not be able to "shop around" when it comes to hospitals or treatments either, as often times your insurance company tells you where you should go or will only pay for treatment at certain hospitals.

You know you can walk into an ER for free and they have to take you.


As long as people are lazy and refuse to take responsibililty for the own well being, no reform will be affordable. A better term for this is third party Health care. People currently view health insurance the same way. Instead of comparison shopping, asking about prices and generics, they just hand over the card be done with it. Prices can very be as much as 19% among hospitals. 

1. They're often forced into one by their employer. As the business secures deals with the insurance company, it is far cheaper than if you bought it on your own. Very few people can afford to pay premiums without the aid of an employer.

2. The health insurance industry is not competitive at all. As to why, it probably has to do with over regulation combined with excellent lobbying.

And is there a reason why those two things can't be corrected. If people shopped around or at least those who could did, it will decrease prices making insurance more affordable and encourage price competition. You change regulation that hurts competition and work to again reduce prices through competition. I know, when my dad got laid off we would have to have paid three times as much for the insurance, allmost 1,000 dollars a month to keep it, then we did when he was employed. It was pretty damn good coverage two, and as such it had the price to match. We need to get those prices down and encourage ways to help people afford there health care once they get laid off. It will be much easier to cover everyone once we achieve what I am talking about, then to just jump in an pick up the tab.

Sure, they can be corrected, but it's not so simple. Yes, in theory, if everybody started shopping for their personal insurance it would drive prices down, but it is so much more expensive to do that, so much so that many literally cannot do it. As you said, your father had to devote $12k to health insurance. Now what of somebody who makes only 30k a year. Well, a third is taxed (not sure about Atlasia's tax code, is it even clear), so that leaves 20k. So over half of his income adjusted for taxes goes to health insurance. Not good.

I agree with you that there are regulations that hurt competition. Modernization, as well as removal of redundant laws are a step in the right direction. But realize that people cannot suddenly buy their own insurance in the marketplace en masse.

By the way, have medicare and medicaid been addressed in Atlasia?

You misunderstood my post. My dad made 36,000 a year where he worked. He had to pay about 300 a month out his check for the insurance and the company paid 600. When he lost the job he would have had to pay 900 dollars to keep it. So I know what it is like to not be insured. I know Vepres that these little tweaks aren't enough alone, but I also said that I support a plan to cover the poor, didn't I. You are again taking me out of context. Damn Reporters ;). I am just trying to make sure that we don't subsidize irresponsible behavior, that we don't sacrifice qualitly when we don't have to, and we don't ration the supply to cut costs when again we may not have too, or have too to the same extent.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview With Fritz
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 10, 2009, 07:28:36 AM
Great interview. :) I wish you will win...


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview With Fritz
Post by: Vepres on July 10, 2009, 12:27:26 PM
Are we going to finish the whole debate before it even hits the Senate floor?

Yes.


Quote
I support a single payer health plan,

     :o
it is better than nothing.

As long as people are lazy and refuse to take responsibililty for the own well being, no reform will be affordable. A better term for this is third party Health care. People currently view health insurance the same way. Instead of comparison shopping, asking about prices and generics, they just hand over the card be done with it. Prices can very be as much as 19% among hospitals. 

There are a lot of things wrong with what you just said. First of all, unlike with a consumer good or something, health insurance doesn't follow a lot of the normal rules of supply and demand. You can "shop around" for a new TV because if you don't find one that you like or one that is cheap enough, you can just not buy one or buy a used one or buy a smaller one. With health insurance when you're sick, on the other hand, you either buy it or you die; the supplier has all the power and the consumer has very little. Secondly, in many areas, there's no such thing as choice between insurance options, as there are only one or two insurance providers in the area. This is especially problematic in rural areas. Finally, depending on your insurance plan, you might not be able to "shop around" when it comes to hospitals or treatments either, as often times your insurance company tells you where you should go or will only pay for treatment at certain hospitals.

You know you can walk into an ER for free and they have to take you.


As long as people are lazy and refuse to take responsibililty for the own well being, no reform will be affordable. A better term for this is third party Health care. People currently view health insurance the same way. Instead of comparison shopping, asking about prices and generics, they just hand over the card be done with it. Prices can very be as much as 19% among hospitals. 

1. They're often forced into one by their employer. As the business secures deals with the insurance company, it is far cheaper than if you bought it on your own. Very few people can afford to pay premiums without the aid of an employer.

2. The health insurance industry is not competitive at all. As to why, it probably has to do with over regulation combined with excellent lobbying.

And is there a reason why those two things can't be corrected. If people shopped around or at least those who could did, it will decrease prices making insurance more affordable and encourage price competition. You change regulation that hurts competition and work to again reduce prices through competition. I know, when my dad got laid off we would have to have paid three times as much for the insurance, allmost 1,000 dollars a month to keep it, then we did when he was employed. It was pretty damn good coverage two, and as such it had the price to match. We need to get those prices down and encourage ways to help people afford there health care once they get laid off. It will be much easier to cover everyone once we achieve what I am talking about, then to just jump in an pick up the tab.

Sure, they can be corrected, but it's not so simple. Yes, in theory, if everybody started shopping for their personal insurance it would drive prices down, but it is so much more expensive to do that, so much so that many literally cannot do it. As you said, your father had to devote $12k to health insurance. Now what of somebody who makes only 30k a year. Well, a third is taxed (not sure about Atlasia's tax code, is it even clear), so that leaves 20k. So over half of his income adjusted for taxes goes to health insurance. Not good.

I agree with you that there are regulations that hurt competition. Modernization, as well as removal of redundant laws are a step in the right direction. But realize that people cannot suddenly buy their own insurance in the marketplace en masse.

By the way, have medicare and medicaid been addressed in Atlasia?

You misunderstood my post. My dad made 36,000 a year where he worked. He had to pay about 300 a month out his check for the insurance and the company paid 600. When he lost the job he would have had to pay 900 dollars to keep it. So I know what it is like to not be insured. I know Vepres that these little tweaks aren't enough alone, but I also said that I support a plan to cover the poor, didn't I. You are again taking me out of context. Damn Reporters ;). I am just trying to make sure that we don't subsidize irresponsible behavior, that we don't sacrifice qualitly when we don't have to, and we don't ration the supply to cut costs when again we may not have too, or have too to the same extent.

Taking things out of context is one of the cornerstones of reporting. ;D


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview With Fritz
Post by: Vepres on July 13, 2009, 12:03:05 AM
Apologies for a lack of an update, I've had my mind on other things of late. I should have one tomorrow however.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Debate Over Stimulus Bill in Senate
Post by: Vepres on July 13, 2009, 02:13:14 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Debate Over Stimulus Bill in Senate
by Vepres

The "2009 Atlasian Economic Relief and Recovery Bill" is currently being debated in the Senate. Introduced by Senators Marokai and MaxQue on behalf of the President, the bill does a number of things to attempt to aid the ailing economy. The bill includes additional funding for welfare programs such as food stamps, Medicaid, and disabled worker rehabilitation and training, among others. It also apportions money for infrastructure investment, aid to the auto industry, and fiscal relief for the regional and local governments. Finally, it includes tax cuts for small businesses and "responsible individuals".

The early debate was largely between Senators Marokai, North Carolina Yankee, and Franzl. Franzl questioned the "buy Atlasian" provision, as well as the nationalization of the Atlasian auto industry.

Quote from: Senator Franzl
Shouldn't the work be done by the company that offers the best quality and price? Why can't we force Atlasian companies to actually compete instead of just relying on friendly government policy?

Marokai countered by saying:
Quote from: Senator Marokai
This is a stimulus bill to stimulate/jump-start our industries and give relief to our unemployed workers. (And our weakening manufacturing sector) We rely too heavily on imports from other countries, such as China, and increasing that reliance, especially in these times, is not a bright idea.

The debate grew when Senator North Carolina Yankee delivered his opinion of the bill.

Quote from: North Carolina Yankee
Like Franzl, I think that the Buy Atlasian provisions are essentially playing Russian roulette with certain Atlasian workers. I also don't think that the honerable Senator Marokai takes into account the serious impact of the message that would send. Atlasia should take the lead in kicking populist demands for protectionism in the face and send a message to the world that this is not going to be like the 1930's. However this puts shaky and politically unstable Gov't in a position that would make them far more susceptible to the illogical demands of populist anger that allways spreads in these environments.

When it comes to the Auto companies, I agree with Franzl in not taking them over, howeve I disagree that we should let them be liquidated just like that. I think that General Motors can survive this, however the Gov't is going to have to do the things necessary to help them compete and if necessary insure they survive inevitable bankruptcy. However that does not mean a takeover, and it does not mean a bailout. It would have to be a bankruptcy where the hard decisions are finally made, and the company gets its long overdue reorganization.

Sen. Marokai responded simply with an ad hominem attacks on Sen. North Carolina Yankee and the debate quickly dissolved into more of a substanceless argument.

Finally, Sen. Purple State proposed an amendment that quelled the two other Senators.

Internal investment is best, but we need to make sure we are getting the most for our money with this package. Spending far too much just so we can pay an inefficient American contractor doesn't allow the bad companies to die. So, rather than simply repealing the "Buy America" clause, how is this?

Quote
Section 2, Clause a. shall include the words "shovel ready" before the word "highway".

Section 2, Clause i. is replaced with the following: "All projects and purchased materials related to highway, road, and bridge construction or repair projects funded through this legislation are required to go through a competitive bidding process. Preference in bidding shall be given to companies that hire American workers for projects and are closest to the start of construction."

Discussion then shifted to spending on alternative energy sources. The general consensus that seemed to emerge was a government partnership with private corporations.

Southeast Lt. Governor SPC offered his opinion of the bill:
Quote from: Southeast Lt. Gov. SPC
As Lt. Governor of the Dirty South, I strongly urge all senators to vote against this bill.


However, Sen. Marokai criticized him for his lack of details and analysis. SPC replied simply by saying that there is nothing wrong with a statesmen voicing their opinion of a bill.

The Senate is currently voting on an amendment which would eliminate this clause:
Quote from: 2009 Atlasian Economic Relief and Recovery Bill
i. Two-thirds of the manufacturing material related to highway, road, and bridge construction or repair projects are required to have been produced and manufactured by Atlasian businesses

Opposition to the amendment cited the superior alternative as their reason for voting nay. The current tally is 4-4.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Debate Over Stimulus Bill in Senate
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on July 13, 2009, 03:35:59 PM
Quote
Sen. Marokai responded simply with an ad hominem attacks on Sen. North Carolina Yankee and the debate quickly dissolved into more of a substanceless argument.

I sort of resent that characterization. I did a great deal of indepth discussion here that I wish this newspaper focused on rather than one short paragraph from me and then saying "afterward Marokai continued just to insult him."

NCY was going on and on about a doomsday scenario with no basis in reality and continually compared my provision to Smoot-Hawley, which is about as ridiculous a comparison as I could imagine.

The problem is you're dreaming up fantasy scenarios with no basis in reality. You argument is "It could be a problem to others, I dunno how, but it could be. It could be like Smoot-Hawley, but I'm not comparing them or anything!"

We did this already in the stimulus bill, and it was a much stricter provision, and it didn't result in the crashing of global trade or a wave of protectionist policies. Your fantasy scenario has yet to realize under harsher conditions in the real world.

The global economy is indeed slumping and other countries have alot of work to do when it comes to stimulating our own economies. But the idea that I'm "ignoring the consequences of my own actions" is ludicrous. The U.S. (aka Atlasia) should not be stimulating the world on our own, other countries should stimulate their economies on their own. We can maintain trade, and make things easier for people to get into the market, but we need to be realistic about the real effect certain policies have on the economy, and, for one, "Buy Atlasian" ain't got nuthin' on Smoot-Hawley. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot-Hawley)

Smoot-Hawley jacked up tariffs to record levels (more than quadrupling them) on over 20,000 types of imported products and effectively choked off trade to Europe and other areas of the world very quickly. This provision does nothing of the sort and pretending it does is the height of ignorance. This clause of the bill simply mandates that a great deal of the manufacturing material involved in projects funded by the stimulus package will be created/manufactured from Atlasian businesses and workers, it doesn't stop other projects from being funded by foreign sources, it doesn't block foreign sources from doing trade with us in any other way, and it still allows a full 33% of stimulus project materials to be obtained from other countries.

Protectionism is never a great policy when it's the only solution, and raising tariffs is seldom a bright idea when it comes to fixing the economy or raising revenue, but this is neither serious protectionism nor tariff raising, nor any other sort of trade restriction. I'm baffled that you would even pretend that they're on the same level.

He panicked over tariffs, which aren't going to be touched. Claimed there could be economic armageddon through a great trade war, which hasn't materialized under stricter circumstances in the real world. Then he claimed that protectionist people at the helm could give the wrong idea to other countries (wtf?) and could spark protectionism world-wide no matter the policies, which makes no sense given that Obama and Clinton both railed against free trade throughout the campaign and Republicans throughout the 18th, 19th, and early 20th century were very protectionist with tariffs and manufacturing. It makes no sense. NCY was dreaming up doomsday scenarios.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Debate Over Stimulus Bill in Senate
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 13, 2009, 04:50:22 PM
Quote
Sen. Marokai responded simply with an ad hominem attacks on Sen. North Carolina Yankee and the debate quickly dissolved into more of a substanceless argument.

I sort of resent that characterization. I did a great deal of indepth discussion here that I wish this newspaper focused on rather than one short paragraph from me and then saying "afterward Marokai continued just to insult him."

NCY was going on and on about a doomsday scenario with no basis in reality and continually compared my provision to Smoot-Hawley, which is about as ridiculous a comparison as I could imagine.


There is a definite basis in reality that you simply brush aside due to your own partisan realities. In these types of economic environments the call to take action particulary from protections or otherwise anti-free trade elements grow louder and gain a wider audience. It is my belief that you are naively assuming there will be no reaction at all and then attempt to brush it aside using flimsy comparisons from the RL that really don't hold water. The fact is you did insult me and you called in to question my judgement over an issue of partisan disagreement.



The problem is you're dreaming up fantasy scenarios with no basis in reality. You argument is "It could be a problem to others, I dunno how, but it could be. It could be like Smoot-Hawley, but I'm not comparing them or anything!"

We did this already in the stimulus bill, and it was a much stricter provision, and it didn't result in the crashing of global trade or a wave of protectionist policies. Your fantasy scenario has yet to realize under harsher conditions in the real world.

The global economy is indeed slumping and other countries have alot of work to do when it comes to stimulating our own economies. But the idea that I'm "ignoring the consequences of my own actions" is ludicrous. The U.S. (aka Atlasia) should not be stimulating the world on our own, other countries should stimulate their economies on their own. We can maintain trade, and make things easier for people to get into the market, but we need to be realistic about the real effect certain policies have on the economy, and, for one, "Buy Atlasian" ain't got nuthin' on Smoot-Hawley. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot-Hawley)

Smoot-Hawley jacked up tariffs to record levels (more than quadrupling them) on over 20,000 types of imported products and effectively choked off trade to Europe and other areas of the world very quickly. This provision does nothing of the sort and pretending it does is the height of ignorance. This clause of the bill simply mandates that a great deal of the manufacturing material involved in projects funded by the stimulus package will be created/manufactured from Atlasian businesses and workers, it doesn't stop other projects from being funded by foreign sources, it doesn't block foreign sources from doing trade with us in any other way, and it still allows a full 33% of stimulus project materials to be obtained from other countries.

Protectionism is never a great policy when it's the only solution, and raising tariffs is seldom a bright idea when it comes to fixing the economy or raising revenue, but this is neither serious protectionism nor tariff raising, nor any other sort of trade restriction. I'm baffled that you would even pretend that they're on the same level.

He panicked over tariffs, which aren't going to be touched. Claimed there could be economic armageddon through a great trade war, which hasn't materialized under stricter circumstances in the real world. Then he claimed that protectionist people at the helm could give the wrong idea to other countries (wtf?) and could spark protectionism world-wide no matter the policies, which makes no sense given that Obama and Clinton both railed against free trade throughout the campaign and Republicans throughout the 18th, 19th, and early 20th century were very protectionist with tariffs and manufacturing. It makes no sense. NCY was dreaming up doomsday scenarios.

I resent you saying that I panicked. I had a political disagreement with you that you ratcheted up to a level where it never should have gone. It did not say that policy choices did not matter, I said that because of our current leaders "relative" Protectionism to the RL the policies that foreign countries expect them to enact would be far more damaging then what was expected of either Senators Hillary CLinton or Barak Obama in RL. You need only look at the recent interpretation of recent LGBT Trade Amendement by the distinguished Secretary of External Affairs, which Senator Purple State showed at least a little dismay over how it was interpreted. As to the RL I don't remember either Senators Clinton or Obama railing against Free Trade, I remember critizing some of the methods of George Bush on that issue and pandering to the union vote, bought overall the theme of Clintons campaign was a return to the 90's and under her husband Free Trade made more strides then it had under any previous President, and most foriegn countries still believe that both US parties support Free Trade. The calls for renegotiating NAFTA was nothing more then propaganda in a tight election campaign, which if I recall both candidates have since then backpeddled on. President Obama wants internation Trade talks resumed and is working to move some more Free Trade deals. Not exactly what you would expect from a "so-called" raving Anti-Free Trade candidate. The facts don't match your arguement that Obama and Clinton were more protectionist and yet still got away with "Buy American" provisions in RL. The Truth is most foriegners gave him a free pass on that cause they believe that real Protectionism is dead in America as a movement, however here in Atlasia it is not.

Now we get to that silly arguement about the GOP in the 19th and early 20th century, so what. Who cares what position a party took back 90 years ago, that was then, and now we know that they were just as much wrong then as the arguement for protectionism is today. The GOP got burned on protectionism not only in 1930 but also in 1890, and several previous times. So what does this have to do with anything I am arguing, because I am a Republican in RL I can't take a certain position cause some digwad President in my Party took a different approach 60 years before I was even born. Protectionism has never worked, when the country was largely Cotton based it hurt the economy(1830's), and when it was Industrial based it hurt the economy(1890 and 1930). This last arguement involving the GOP is pointless and has nothing to do with what we are talking about, they were wrong then, just as you are now.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Debate Over Stimulus Bill in Senate
Post by: Purple State on July 13, 2009, 05:04:16 PM
Just a few fixes, Vepres. The title says "Interview with Fritz." ;) Also, the vote can't be tied 8-8 (only 10 Senators) and the clause being repealed is clause i. of that section, not a.



Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Debate Over Stimulus Bill in Senate
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 13, 2009, 05:07:32 PM
Just a few fixes, Vepres. The title says "Interview with Fritz." ;) Also, the vote can't be tied 8-8 (only 10 Senators) and the clause being repealed is clause i. of that section, not a.



I guess thats what you call errors of the Main Stream Media. Kind of like the idiot who does all the Letterboards and teleprompters at Fox News.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Debate Over Stimulus Bill in Senate
Post by: Vepres on July 13, 2009, 07:50:04 PM
Just a few fixes, Vepres. The title says "Interview with Fritz." ;) Also, the vote can't be tied 8-8 (only 10 Senators) and the clause being repealed is clause i. of that section, not a.



I guess thats what you call errors of the Main Stream Media. Kind of like the idiot who does all the Letterboards and teleprompters at Fox News.

At least my errors aren't biased.


Marokai, I don't deny that you only responded with ad hominem, however, at that point you were being dismissive, instead of explaining your position. Certainly earlier in the thread you had compelling arguments.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Debate Over Stimulus Bill in Senate
Post by: Vepres on July 13, 2009, 07:50:35 PM
Just a few fixes, Vepres. The title says "Interview with Fritz." ;) Also, the vote can't be tied 8-8 (only 10 Senators) and the clause being repealed is clause i. of that section, not a.



In my defense I was very tired.

Edit: I believe I fixed it all.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Debate Over Stimulus Bill in Senate
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 13, 2009, 07:53:28 PM
Just a few fixes, Vepres. The title says "Interview with Fritz." ;) Also, the vote can't be tied 8-8 (only 10 Senators) and the clause being repealed is clause i. of that section, not a.



In my defense I was very tired.

CAn you at least get the clause I am trying to amend correct, right now. The current form is extremely misleading.

Edit: That is much better, thank you. :)


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview With Swedish Cheese
Post by: Vepres on July 14, 2009, 04:40:56 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Interview With Swedish Cheese
by Vepres

Vepres: First of all, I would like to thank you for allowing us to interview you.

Now, why did you decide to start the ARNA? Was it a specific event, was it a series of events, or was it just the general atmosphere of Atlasia?

Swedish Cheese: You’re welcome. It’s an honour that you’re interested in our organisation.

Well a little bit of both number 1 and 3. It was mainly the behaviour I saw from a few senior members here on the forum. They basically seemed to consider everyone who was new to the game to be an idiot and voting slave. However it was while reading the discussion in the Sentinel’s Referendum Tracker that I became inspired to start the organisation. There was a comment from a poster that I thought was not only stupid but also discriminating. I have never been able to stand it when people judge a whole group of people on a few bad individuals of that group. I was tired of being ladled an idiot, and realised that we newbies needed to start stand up for ourselves.


What are you're organization's primary goals, and how will you go about achieving them?


Our first and foremost goal is to be a helping hand for new Atlasians. The game can be a bit confusing when you’re new, and when I first came here I was kind of surprised that there wasn’t even a FAQ thread or similar. It’s my opinion that if we helped people to get a better understanding for the game from the start, newbies would be able to get involved quicker and make better contributions.

We also want to work to eliminate the current prejudice and discrimination that exists towards new members. We have a lot of new fresh ideas to contribute with, and deserve to be treated with respect. I’m confident that newbies and senior posters would get along just fine if we just gave each other a chance. As a matter of fact most older members are very friendly and helpful, so I’m positive. Creating this organisation is a first step to show that newbies are not just dumb and lazy voting slaves, but that we do in fact have great ideas and intelligent minds too. We have to prove that we can contribute, and that we are as worthy as people who have been here since 05.

We also intend to work against legislation that we believe violates our rights as citizens. To achieve this goal we will of course campaign for such legal proposals to fail.


Do you think there is anything from a legislative perspective that would help your cause?


Well since it looks like the Intelligent Voting Amendment will pass in a landslide, repealing it would be helpful. However I don’t think there is any need for special laws for newbies, we want to be treated like everyone else. We just don’t want any laws limiting our rights to run for offices for example. So I don’t think there is any law that could pass that would help us. What is really helpful to us is friendly older citizens with open minds.
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The Sentinel would like to thank Swedish Cheese for the interview, and we apologize for not being able to ask more questions. Time zone differences, as well as other activities of mine prevented me from interviewing him further.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview With Swedish Cheese
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 14, 2009, 06:57:21 PM
Great Swedish Cheese ! :D

Now, it's time for ARNA to become an important political organization, for the rights of newbies and a more friendly Atlasia.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Some of the ConCon Delegates Protest PO *Updated*
Post by: Vepres on July 16, 2009, 04:57:14 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Some of the ConCon Delegates Protest PO
by Vepres

A number of delegates, MaxQue, Marokai, and bgwah, have signed a protest against the current Presiding Officer of the Constitutional Convention, Purple State. Marokai, a delegate of the Pacific region, asserted that Purple State has "lost sight of not only what we've been trying to accomplish, but also of what his job is supposed to be and the simple procedure here".

Purple State spoke in his own defense today.

Quote from: Presiding Officer Purple State
As to the general running of the Convention, I would have loved it if I was simply able to bring delegate proposals to the floor for votes and carry forward the Convention directed by the delegates. Unfortunately, hardly any independent actions or proposals were initiated by delegates.

Quote from: Presiding Officer Purple State
It also became necessary, just to promote participation by delegates, to introduce proposals and then wait for reactionary thoughts and proposals. Without the faux-"controversy" that I, at times, initiated, nothing would have been done here. I am proud that, through consistent pressure, we were able to craft almost a complete proposal in the Parliamentary Bicameralism thread before rampant inactivity sidelined those efforts.

He stated that he would not step down and that if any delegate had a formal proposal that he would gladly introduce it for them.

Pacific Delegate Marokai retorted:

Quote from: Pacific Delegate Marokai Blue
As if doing something that wasn't part of your job description was ever a problem for you. You brought forward your own proposals even though you are not an elected delegate and you routinely volunteered to write things up for people throughout the convention.

Quote from: Pacific Delegate Marokai Blue
Quote from: Senator Purple State
I'll try to write something up tonight after work.
Quote from: Senator Purple State

My proposal (and no, its not a carbon copy of my previous proposal, read carefully):
Emphasis mine. Point is, you show favoritism with what you want to write up and what you just want to ignore, and you propose things even though you should most definitely not have that power. You were elected to your position amongst the delegates to do what we told you, to propose what we wanted, and to follow our suggestion, and you were elected because I pushed for you to be in the position.

Now you're here acting like the God of Reform. Listening to what you want to listen to and not entertaining anything else.

It is unclear as to what will happen to the current Presiding Officer. The outcome of this could affect the direction of the convention as whole.
 
Update: President Lief also supports the removal of Purple State as Presiding Officer.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Some of the ConCon Delegates Protest PO
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on July 16, 2009, 05:08:03 PM
Lief now supports it as well.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Some of the ConCon Delegates Protest PO
Post by: Vepres on July 16, 2009, 08:10:30 PM

Alright, updated.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Some of the ConCon Delegates Protest PO
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on July 16, 2009, 08:14:02 PM

BK does too now, but you don't need to update it again if you like :P


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Some of the ConCon Delegates Protest PO
Post by: Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese on July 16, 2009, 08:24:53 PM
The CC needs to be killed off and burried already. Has it resulted in anything of value yet?

We don't need a new constitution, and changes needed in the old one can be handled by the Senate.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Some of the ConCon Delegates Protest PO
Post by: Vepres on July 16, 2009, 08:52:07 PM
Swedish Cheese, more people will probably hear your opinion if you post in the convention thread.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Some of the ConCon Delegates Protest PO
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on July 16, 2009, 10:04:53 PM
What does it have to do with the Assembly elections?


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Some of the ConCon Delegates Protest PO
Post by: Vepres on July 16, 2009, 11:56:39 PM
What does it have to do with the Assembly elections?

Nothing, I just don't want to overshadow them, or visa versa.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: A Message From the Editor-in-Chief
Post by: Vepres on July 19, 2009, 11:13:45 AM
A message from the Atlasian Sentinel editor in chief, Vepres:

As you know, I am running for Governor of the Midwest. I will continue to run the Sentinel, and hopefully provide coverage on all major events in Atlasia. I know there may be a conflict of interest between my politics and the accurate reporting of the news. Just know, that I work as hard as I can to keep the paper unbiased (except of course, for op-eds).


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Debate Over Stimulus Shifts to Struggling Automakers
Post by: Vepres on July 23, 2009, 12:44:07 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Debate Over Stimulus Shifts to Struggling Automakers
by Vepres

The large stimulus package currently being debated in the Senate includes a section for aid to the Big 3 automakers, Ford, General Motors, and Chrysler. Some of the more left-wing Senators such as Marokai and Fritz are advocating for the nationalization of the big three. However, this has met much criticism from both DA and RPP members of the Senate.

Quote from: Senator Franzl
Seems pretty clear actually....Ford made good economic decisions, and is now able to sell products that are up to international standards, and GM made poor economic decisions, clinging for too long to gas guzzling cars (like the Hummer).

I think GM clearly does deserve to fail in such a climate.

However, others say that government action is the only way to save the large number of jobs related to the automakers.

[Senator MaxQue]I support helping Atlasian automakers because many workers would lose their jobs if the automaker collaspes. Not because I think than those businesses should survive.[/quote]

The issue is divisive and a compromise still hasn't been reached. Indeed some, such as Dirty South Lt. Governor SPC claim the automaker nationalization is unconstitutional. SPC has stated he will sue the government should that section of the bill pass in its current form.

So far, no amendments concerning this section have been voted on.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Debate Over Stimulus Shifts to Struggling Automakers
Post by: Vepres on July 23, 2009, 02:17:45 PM
Here's a county map based on the first preference results of the Mideast Assembly Elections*:

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Peter = Red
Officepark = Blue
Swedish Cheese = Yellow
Badger = Green

*This is all theoretical and is no way official


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Mideast First Preference County Map
Post by: Peter on July 24, 2009, 09:33:07 AM
Interesting map - its nice to know that this Atlasian tradition isn't dead. I'm happy that I won my home county.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Mideast First Preference County Map
Post by: Badger on July 24, 2009, 11:53:26 AM
Interesting map - its nice to know that this Atlasian tradition isn't dead. I'm happy that I won my home county.
I didn't. :-( 

Oh well, I would have trouble carrying it in a real-world legislative race too (it's more than a tad conservative).


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Mideast First Preference County Map
Post by: Vepres on July 24, 2009, 12:03:31 PM
Interesting map - its nice to know that this Atlasian tradition isn't dead. I'm happy that I won my home county.
I didn't. :-( 

Oh well, I would have trouble carrying it in a real-world legislative race too (it's more than a tad conservative).

You live in southwest Ohio?


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Mideast First Preference County Map
Post by: Badger on July 24, 2009, 04:04:54 PM
Interesting map - its nice to know that this Atlasian tradition isn't dead. I'm happy that I won my home county.
I didn't. :-( 

Oh well, I would have trouble carrying it in a real-world legislative race too (it's more than a tad conservative).

You live in southwest Ohio?

For now lets just say "western". ;-)


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Mideast First Preference County Map
Post by: Vepres on July 29, 2009, 10:41:04 PM
Bump. Slow news week.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Week in Review
Post by: Vepres on August 01, 2009, 10:39:15 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Week in Review

- On July 27, President Lief signed the controversial LGB Dignity Bill (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=99596.msg2087238#msg2087238).

- Also on July 27, President Lief signed The Absentee Voting Bill (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=99422.msg2078619#msg2078619), which changed the procedure for absentee voting. To post in it, you must publicly notify the SoFA of your request to vote absentee and your reasons for doing so. If he approves you may then vote in the absentee booth. The bill also laid out criteria for who may have valid absentee votes.

- The Enumerated Powers Resolution (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=99903.msg2089254#msg2089254) was tabled after receiving practically zero support. The bill would've required Senators to cite where in the constitution a bill they are proposing is allowed. Even the sponsor, Senator North Carolina Yankee had reservations about it. In fact, he had introduced it on behalf of Dirty South Lt. Governor SPC.

- Peter is suing the government of Atlasia over the LGB Dignity Bill (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=99596.msg2087238#msg2087238), which he believes is unconstitutional.

- President Lief signed the Identifying Crime Bill (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=99566.msg2081541#msg2081541) into law. The bill required that law enforcement departments will make public all collected crime data unless the data somehow identified a suspect or if it has been collected for a jury trial or criminal investigation.

- The Nuclear Waste Reprocessing Bill (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=99367.msg2092208#msg2092208), which provided a large tax incentive to reprocess nuclear waste and required it to be transported in low density areas where it would have little impact, passed in the Senate with an 8-0-0 vote. It is currently on the President's desk.

-An amendment (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=99368.msg2094097#msg2094097) to the Atlasian National Healthcare Bill appears to have passed. It clarified points in the regional administration of the bill. Additionally, a number of people including Senator Marokai and President Lief have voiced their opposition to so called "sin taxes", taxes on cigerettes and alcohol, stating that they believed their current rate, 50%, is already too high.

- The automaker relief section of the 2009 Atlasian Economic Relief and Recovery Bill was amended (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=98994.msg2092544#msg2092544) to state that any of the Big 3 was eligible for a $12 billion dollar loan from the government should they request it.

- Due to the potential absence of Attorney General bgwah for the Peter v. Atlasia (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=99930.msg2089977#msg2089977) court case, Senator Purple State has suggested that the filing deadline be extended so the AG can "pop his case cherry".

- Alexander Hamilton announced his candidacy for the Pacific Lt. Governorship.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Week in Review
Post by: Purple State on August 01, 2009, 10:50:56 PM
Haha, I am glad my "cherry" comment was newsworthy. ;)

One more piece of news, the Convention officially closed on Friday. Not sure if you are working on a piece for that. It was easy to miss with the vote lasting two weeks.



Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Week in Review
Post by: Vepres on August 01, 2009, 10:52:58 PM
Haha, I am glad my "cherry" comment was newsworthy. ;)

One more piece of news, the Convention officially closed on Friday. Not sure if you are working on a piece for that. It was easy to miss with the vote lasting two weeks.



I didn't even know that. I have been ignoring that board lately. Yeah, I'll write a detailed piece on it.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Week in Review
Post by: HappyWarrior on August 01, 2009, 11:14:19 PM
I also have been updating Atlasian foreign policy.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Week in Review
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 01, 2009, 11:19:45 PM
I also have been updating Atlasian foreign policy.
Yea but no one cares about the DoEA


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Week in Review
Post by: Purple State on August 01, 2009, 11:20:42 PM
I also have been updating Atlasian foreign policy.
Yea but no one cares about the DoEA

Hopefully an active GM will change that. Some foreign events would be nice.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Week in Review
Post by: Vepres on August 01, 2009, 11:25:00 PM
I also have been updating Atlasian foreign policy.

I'll report on that another time. Sorry I missed it.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Week in Review
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on August 02, 2009, 01:47:06 AM
The AIAL is also making endorsements; you may want to report on that.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Week in Review
Post by: Vepres on August 02, 2009, 11:25:37 AM
The AIAL is also making endorsements; you may want to report on that.

As soon as you make them, I'll report them.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Week in Review
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 05, 2009, 09:25:20 PM
Where's the LNF? We are important. >:(


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: ConCon Comes to a Close
Post by: Vepres on August 05, 2009, 11:29:26 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
ConCon Comes to a Close
By Vepres

After many months, the Constitutional Convention has come to a close. The ConCon was originally opened at the beginning of President bgwah's second term. At the time, Atlasia was very inactive, with little activity outside the Senate. At the time there was a real push for reform to get the game active again.

One of the first proposals right off the bat was a universalism proposal by Smid. Universalism is basically a system where every citizen would be in a government position of some kind. These universalist bills made great progress, but never amounted to anything as the convention's activity slowly fell. One of the major proponents of the unversalist system, ilikeverin, had this to say:

Quote from: ilikeverin
Of course the Convention was an utter disappointment.  We universalists were first out the gate with Smid's proposal just a couple of days after the Convention started, and it's a shame that the proposal was essentially roundly ignored after the beginning.  As per usual, the forces of the status quo won out in Atlasia; it was disheartening to see how vocal they were.  Our biggest fault was probably putting the brakes on reform.  At the time the convention was launched, there was a consensus that radical reform was necessary, and when the general proposal outlines were brought forward the universalist ones combined won an easy plurality of the vote.  If we had moved more quickly, we might've been able to pass Smid's proposal and get it to an overall vote.

Indeed, there was protest to retain the status quo. Upon his return to Atlasia, Fritz immediately protested the convention stating that the system need not be changed. It was not long after that thread that the convention faded and eventually entered total inactivity. Finally, an Op-Ed, written by yours truly, questioning the point of the convention was published in the Sentinel. Many agreed with my sentiments in the article. Even President bgwah, the one who pushed to open the convention, said that in hindsight it wasn't necessary. Activity in Atlasia had rose significantly in the past few months, and public opinion wasn't behind massive reforms any longer.

Presiding Officer Purple State attempted to shift the direction of the convention by focusing on improving the current system instead of a complete overhaul. Some preliminary progress was made on some constitutional amendments however it was not to be. Soon many of the delegates were protesting a change in leadership, and then some went further and called for the end of the convention. Just last week, the vote to end the convention was completed with a majority supporting ending the convention.   

When asked for comment, Senator Purple State had a positive view of the ConCon.

Quote from: Senator Purple State
While some may try to sweep the Convention under the rug or spin it as a massive failure, I have a much more positive perspective. It is true that the delegates were unable to pass a substantive proposal to reform the game; however, what we were able to accomplish is perhaps just as significant. The Convention served the game well by bringing new ideas to the table, sparking serious dialogue about the future of Atlasia.

So do I have regrets? Not at all. In fact, with the Convention behind us, I am ever the optimist that the seeds we laid over the past few months will, in time, blossom into a renaissance in the way we think about and play the game.

While some criticized him for his performance as Presiding Officer, ilikeverin was more sympathetic towards the former Presiding Officer.

Quote from: ilikeverin
I credit Purple State for sticking to his guns despite the intransigence of me and later Marokai.  We did exactly what we asked of him.  The problem is, we were asking the wrong things.

And so ends the Constitutional Convention. What started as an enthusiastic attempt to bring activity to Atlasia ended with no tangible results. Presiding Officer Purple State believes it did ultimately help, while reformers such as ilikeverin were disappointed at the outcome. Whatever your views, the ConCon was an interesting place where new ideas and thoughts were expressed, and while in the end it could be regarded as a failed experiment, everybody agrees that the now that Atlasia is more active and healthy than it has been in a long time.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: ConCon Comes to a Close
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 05, 2009, 11:35:21 PM
While ConCon was a failure, in a sense, we must acknowledge the Purple State was right in creating a new vehicle of ideas and bringing up new debates in Atlasia again.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: ConCon Comes to a Close
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 05, 2009, 11:39:10 PM
Universalism proposals were absolutely awful, that's why it started to die out shortly after the initial fuss over the convention. I'm not exactly thrilled with this newspapers subtle favoritism, but, I suppose we're all human and bring our own biases to reporting. Happy to read the newspaper, at the very least.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: ConCon Comes to a Close
Post by: Vepres on August 05, 2009, 11:42:52 PM
Universalism proposals were absolutely awful, that's why it started to die out shortly after the initial fuss over the convention. I'm not exactly thrilled with this newspapers subtle favoritism, but, I suppose we're all human and bring our own biases to reporting. Happy to read the newspaper, at the very least.

What favoritism? I though ilikeverin would slam Purple State to be honest. I will always try to eliminate bias and favoritism, and a watchful eye from the readers is a big help, even more so if I'm elected to the Midwest Governorship.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: ConCon Comes to a Close
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 05, 2009, 11:44:04 PM
Universalism proposals were absolutely awful, that's why it started to die out shortly after the initial fuss over the convention. I'm not exactly thrilled with this newspapers subtle favoritism, but, I suppose we're all human and bring our own biases to reporting. Happy to read the newspaper, at the very least.

What favoritism? I though ilikeverin would slam Purple State to be honest. I will always try to eliminate bias and favoritism, and a watchful eye from the readers is a big help, even more so if I'm elected to the Midwest Governorship.

Well, I'm not sure why so much attention was focused on Universalism, it seemed rather out of place. And of course, this newspaper is always kind to Purple State.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: ConCon Comes to a Close
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 05, 2009, 11:45:43 PM
Universalism proposals were absolutely awful, that's why it started to die out shortly after the initial fuss over the convention. I'm not exactly thrilled with this newspapers subtle favoritism, but, I suppose we're all human and bring our own biases to reporting. Happy to read the newspaper, at the very least.

What favoritism? I though ilikeverin would slam Purple State to be honest. I will always try to eliminate bias and favoritism, and a watchful eye from the readers is a big help, even more so if I'm elected to the Midwest Governorship.

Well, I'm not sure why so much attention was focused on Universalism, it seemed rather out of place. And of course, this newspaper is always kind to Purple State.

You seem to have an obsession with making claims of RPP members being "biased" towards Purple State and vice-versa.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: ConCon Comes to a Close
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 05, 2009, 11:48:55 PM
Universalism proposals were absolutely awful, that's why it started to die out shortly after the initial fuss over the convention. I'm not exactly thrilled with this newspapers subtle favoritism, but, I suppose we're all human and bring our own biases to reporting. Happy to read the newspaper, at the very least.

What favoritism? I though ilikeverin would slam Purple State to be honest. I will always try to eliminate bias and favoritism, and a watchful eye from the readers is a big help, even more so if I'm elected to the Midwest Governorship.

Well, I'm not sure why so much attention was focused on Universalism, it seemed rather out of place. And of course, this newspaper is always kind to Purple State.

You seem to have an obsession with making claims of RPP members being "biased" towards Purple State and vice-versa.

You weren't around when this paper was giving Purple State back-to-back headlines. I'm not trying to make a big deal about it or anything, I just wish this newspaper included a bit more varied set of opinions.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: ConCon Comes to a Close
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 05, 2009, 11:52:53 PM
Universalism proposals were absolutely awful, that's why it started to die out shortly after the initial fuss over the convention. I'm not exactly thrilled with this newspapers subtle favoritism, but, I suppose we're all human and bring our own biases to reporting. Happy to read the newspaper, at the very least.

What favoritism? I though ilikeverin would slam Purple State to be honest. I will always try to eliminate bias and favoritism, and a watchful eye from the readers is a big help, even more so if I'm elected to the Midwest Governorship.

Well, I'm not sure why so much attention was focused on Universalism, it seemed rather out of place. And of course, this newspaper is always kind to Purple State.

You seem to have an obsession with making claims of RPP members being "biased" towards Purple State and vice-versa.

You weren't around when this paper was giving Purple State back-to-back headlines. I'm not trying to make a big deal about it or anything, I just wish this newspaper included a bit more varied set of opinions.

Well if that's the case I'm not sure exactly what's posted previous, therefore, no comment.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Gubernatorial Race Heats Up and More!
Post by: Vepres on August 06, 2009, 12:01:12 AM
Universalism proposals were absolutely awful, that's why it started to die out shortly after the initial fuss over the convention. I'm not exactly thrilled with this newspapers subtle favoritism, but, I suppose we're all human and bring our own biases to reporting. Happy to read the newspaper, at the very least.

What favoritism? I though ilikeverin would slam Purple State to be honest. I will always try to eliminate bias and favoritism, and a watchful eye from the readers is a big help, even more so if I'm elected to the Midwest Governorship.

Well, I'm not sure why so much attention was focused on Universalism, it seemed rather out of place. And of course, this newspaper is always kind to Purple State.

Well, I contacted three people. Purple State, the PO and proponent of reforming the current system. I contacted ilikeverin, a proponent of universalism, and I also contacted Fritz, who had no comment, but was a proponent of no change.

I think part of the problem was that I wasn't around for the first few months of the convention, so all I knew I got second hand.

As for the Purple State favoritism, that's about to change.


The Atlasian Sentinel
Breaking News: Purple State Sucks!
By Vepres

According to anonymous sources, Purple State sucks.

Developing...


:P



Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: ConCon Comes to a Close
Post by: Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese on August 06, 2009, 12:05:21 AM
Why do you have to become such a whiny bitch everytime someone or something does not agree with you 95 % of the time, Marokai? If you want a newspaper slaming Purple State you have the right to create one. You're sounding awfully similar to a Southern Redneck crying about the evil LEEBERAL media.



Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: ConCon Comes to a Close
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 06, 2009, 12:08:51 AM
Why do you have to become such a whiny bitch everytime someone or something does not agree with you 95 % of the time, Marokai? If you want a newspaper slaming Purple State you have the right to create one. You're sounding awfully similar to a Southern Redneck crying about the evil LEEBERAL media.



Except it costs billions of dollars to run a national news channel or newspaper. Marokai can spend five minutes typing whatever he wants bashing Purple State and have it up here right now for all to read.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: ConCon Comes to a Close
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 06, 2009, 12:11:17 AM
Why do you have to become such a whiny bitch everytime someone or something does not agree with you 95 % of the time, Marokai? If you want a newspaper slaming Purple State you have the right to create one. You're sounding awfully similar to a Southern Redneck crying about the evil LEEBERAL media.

This newspaper has routinely covered Purple State in a sympathetic light, and has occasionally pointed me out as some trouble-maker (which generally I like the label of), which, in turn, causes me to complain. If you find my criticisms invalid then I look forward to an explanation to such an end.

I fancy myself a loud-mouth but I don't complain just for the sake of it, if I complain, I usually have a reason.

Why do you have to become such a whiny bitch everytime someone or something does not agree with you 95 % of the time, Marokai? If you want a newspaper slaming Purple State you have the right to create one. You're sounding awfully similar to a Southern Redneck crying about the evil LEEBERAL media.

Except it costs billions of dollars to run a national news channel or newspaper. Marokai can spend five minutes typing whatever he wants bashing Purple State and have it up here right now for all to read.

I must admit, and have told plenty of others here as much, that starting a newsletter of my own simply to refute all the other nonsense out there I don't like has been tempting. But I don't expect that to quell the "Marokai whines! I'm whining about Marokai, but he's a bigger whiner!" crowd, hm?


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: ConCon Comes to a Close
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 06, 2009, 12:12:27 AM
Universalism proposals were absolutely awful, that's why it started to die out shortly after the initial fuss over the convention. I'm not exactly thrilled with this newspapers subtle favoritism, but, I suppose we're all human and bring our own biases to reporting. Happy to read the newspaper, at the very least.

What favoritism? I though ilikeverin would slam Purple State to be honest. I will always try to eliminate bias and favoritism, and a watchful eye from the readers is a big help, even more so if I'm elected to the Midwest Governorship.

Well, I'm not sure why so much attention was focused on Universalism, it seemed rather out of place. And of course, this newspaper is always kind to Purple State.

As for the Purple State favoritism, that's about to change.

The Atlasian Sentinel
Breaking News: Purple State Sucks!
By Vepres

According to anonymous sources, Purple State sucks.

Developing...


:P

I like it ;)


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: ConCon Comes to a Close
Post by: Purple State on August 06, 2009, 10:06:41 AM
Why are you all up so late just to fuss about me?

Marokai, I am one of the most active members in Atlasia. That I make headlines often is no surprise and it really doesn't take much. Also, while we may have policy disagreements, I don't generally piss many people off. Perhaps key members of the JCP dislike me which is why I'm not counting on the JCP machine to turn out many votes for me, but I am generally liked overall.

On a related note, Vepres hasn't even interviewed me yet, so I'm not really sure how you want to explain away that one...

EDIT: I also want to thank ilikeverin for taking it easy on me. ;)


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: ConCon Comes to a Close
Post by: SPC on August 06, 2009, 11:10:08 AM
Universalism proposals were absolutely awful, that's why it started to die out shortly after the initial fuss over the convention. I'm not exactly thrilled with this newspapers subtle favoritism, but, I suppose we're all human and bring our own biases to reporting. Happy to read the newspaper, at the very least.

What favoritism? I though ilikeverin would slam Purple State to be honest. I will always try to eliminate bias and favoritism, and a watchful eye from the readers is a big help, even more so if I'm elected to the Midwest Governorship.

Well, I'm not sure why so much attention was focused on Universalism, it seemed rather out of place. And of course, this newspaper is always kind to Purple State.

Why don't you start your own newspaper if you don't like the Atlasian Sentinel or the National Weekly Atlasian? I would offer to hire you, but you go out of your way to be hostile toward me and others.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: ConCon Comes to a Close
Post by: ilikeverin on August 06, 2009, 11:56:46 AM
EDIT: I also want to thank ilikeverin for taking it easy on me. ;)

*hughughug* ;D


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: ConCon Comes to a Close
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 06, 2009, 05:49:15 PM
Why do you have to become such a whiny bitch everytime someone or something does not agree with you 95 % of the time, Marokai? If you want a newspaper slaming Purple State you have the right to create one. You're sounding awfully similar to a Southern Redneck crying about the evil LEEBERAL media.

This newspaper has routinely covered Purple State in a sympathetic light, and has occasionally pointed me out as some trouble-maker (which generally I like the label of), which, in turn, causes me to complain. If you find my criticisms invalid then I look forward to an explanation to such an end.

I fancy myself a loud-mouth but I don't complain just for the sake of it, if I complain, I usually have a reason.

Why do you have to become such a whiny bitch everytime someone or something does not agree with you 95 % of the time, Marokai? If you want a newspaper slaming Purple State you have the right to create one. You're sounding awfully similar to a Southern Redneck crying about the evil LEEBERAL media.

Except it costs billions of dollars to run a national news channel or newspaper. Marokai can spend five minutes typing whatever he wants bashing Purple State and have it up here right now for all to read.

I must admit, and have told plenty of others here as much, that starting a newsletter of my own simply to refute all the other nonsense out there I don't like has been tempting. But I don't expect that to quell the "Marokai whines! I'm whining about Marokai, but he's a bigger whiner!" crowd, hm?

Marokai a trouble-maker? who woulda thunk it? ;)


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Gubernatorial Race Heats Up and More!
Post by: Vepres on August 11, 2009, 11:24:54 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Pacific Lt. Gubernatorial Race Heats Up
By Vepres

The Lt. Governorship is considered insignificant in most circles, a stepping stone for newbies. The election for the Pacific Lt. Governorship, however, has drawn much attention as newbie RPPer Hamilton attempts to win office in the most JCP region in the country. Ebowed is challenging him, and his party affiliation as well as his extensive experience would normally prove to be an asset. Indeed, he brings it up often in his campaign thread.

However, Ebowed is considered by many to have been a failure as GM, his most recently held position. This has no doubt hurt his credibility with some of the more moderate Pacificers. Recent polls by Survey Atlasia show the race to be competitive, the first in recent Pacific history.

Hamilton has an uphill battle, but to the surprise of many he may stand a chance.



Midwest Governor GMantis Vetoes Two Midwest Referendums
By Vepres

Despite Lewis' executive name amendments passing with a majority of the vote, Governor GMantis exercised his constitutional authority to veto any proposals that receive less than 60% of the vote.

If passed, the name of the Governorship would have been changed to "the position formerly known as the ilikeverinship", and the Lieutenant Governorship would have been changed to " the position formerly known as the ican'tbelieveit'snotverinship".

However, as stated above, neither will become law.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: ConCon Comes to a Close
Post by: Purple State on August 11, 2009, 11:27:13 PM
Ebowed, not Meeker, is challenging Hamilton. It's okay, it's late. ;)


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: ConCon Comes to a Close
Post by: Vepres on August 11, 2009, 11:28:55 PM
Ebowed, not Meeker, is challenging Hamilton. It's okay, it's late. ;)

They're both just red Washington avatars to me. :P


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: ConCon Comes to a Close
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 11, 2009, 11:38:13 PM
Ebowed, not Meeker, is challenging Hamilton. It's okay, it's late. ;)

They're both just red Washington avatars to me. :P

And this is what the Pacific needs... not just another empty suit hiding behind a red avatar. We need a true independent voice that will work for the people.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 12, 2009, 05:48:22 PM
I haven't ran any polls for the Pacific yet. ??? A-Bob did using a title that looked similar to mine, maybe I should sue him for trademark infringement. ;D.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: ConCon Comes to a Close
Post by: Sewer on August 12, 2009, 05:51:51 PM
Ebowed, not Meeker, is challenging Hamilton. It's okay, it's late. ;)

They're both just red Washington avatars to me. :P

And this is what the Pacific needs... not just another empty suit hiding behind a red avatar. We need a true independent voice that will work for the people.

Says the Blue avatar.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: ConCon Comes to a Close
Post by: Meeker on August 12, 2009, 06:04:18 PM
Ebowed, not Meeker, is challenging Hamilton. It's okay, it's late. ;)

They're both just red Washington avatars to me. :P

And this is what the Pacific needs... not just another empty suit hiding behind a red avatar. We need a true independent voice that will work for the people.

I'll take an empty suit hiding behind a red avatar over an insufferable twelve-year-old with the intellectual acumen of a goldfish any day.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: ConCon Comes to a Close
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 12, 2009, 06:12:38 PM
Ebowed, not Meeker, is challenging Hamilton. It's okay, it's late. ;)

They're both just red Washington avatars to me. :P

And this is what the Pacific needs... not just another empty suit hiding behind a red avatar. We need a true independent voice that will work for the people.

I'll take an empty suit hiding behind a red avatar over an insufferable twelve-year-old with the intellectual acumen of a goldfish any day.

I don't know any of those on this forum but you seem to be the only person acting like one.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: ConCon Comes to a Close
Post by: Meeker on August 12, 2009, 08:10:04 PM
Ebowed, not Meeker, is challenging Hamilton. It's okay, it's late. ;)

They're both just red Washington avatars to me. :P

And this is what the Pacific needs... not just another empty suit hiding behind a red avatar. We need a true independent voice that will work for the people.

I'll take an empty suit hiding behind a red avatar over an insufferable twelve-year-old with the intellectual acumen of a goldfish any day.

I don't know any of those on this forum but you seem to be the only person acting like one.

You're so clever!


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: ConCon Comes to a Close
Post by: HappyWarrior on August 12, 2009, 10:55:38 PM
Ebowed, not Meeker, is challenging Hamilton. It's okay, it's late. ;)

They're both just red Washington avatars to me. :P

And this is what the Pacific needs... not just another empty suit hiding behind a red avatar. We need a true independent voice that will work for the people.

I'll take an empty suit hiding behind a red avatar over an insufferable twelve-year-old with the intellectual acumen of a goldfish any day.

I don't know any of those on this forum but you seem to be the only person acting like one.

Meeker is one of our oldest and still a very respected poster here.  Hes also a friend of mine Hamilton and to my knowledge he'd never said anything to you man.  Please be respectful.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: ConCon Comes to a Close
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 12, 2009, 10:57:18 PM
Ebowed, not Meeker, is challenging Hamilton. It's okay, it's late. ;)

They're both just red Washington avatars to me. :P

And this is what the Pacific needs... not just another empty suit hiding behind a red avatar. We need a true independent voice that will work for the people.

I'll take an empty suit hiding behind a red avatar over an insufferable twelve-year-old with the intellectual acumen of a goldfish any day.

I don't know any of those on this forum but you seem to be the only person acting like one.

Meeker is one of our oldest and still a very respected poster here.  Hes also a friend of mine Hamilton and to my knowledge he'd never said anything to you man.  Please be respectful.

He actually has, in other threads, for reasons unknown, simply stating "I don't like you." HW, I like you, but please don't judge me on my disagreeing with someone who insults me without offering me justification.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: ConCon Comes to a Close
Post by: HappyWarrior on August 12, 2009, 10:59:01 PM
Ebowed, not Meeker, is challenging Hamilton. It's okay, it's late. ;)

They're both just red Washington avatars to me. :P

And this is what the Pacific needs... not just another empty suit hiding behind a red avatar. We need a true independent voice that will work for the people.

I'll take an empty suit hiding behind a red avatar over an insufferable twelve-year-old with the intellectual acumen of a goldfish any day.

I don't know any of those on this forum but you seem to be the only person acting like one.

Meeker is one of our oldest and still a very respected poster here.  Hes also a friend of mine Hamilton and to my knowledge he'd never said anything to you man.  Please be respectful.

He actually has, in other threads, for reasons unknown, simply stating "I don't like you." HW, I like you, but please don't judge me on my disagreeing with someone who insults me without offering me justification.

I'm not judging you dude.  Just saying.  I had'nt seen him disrespecting you before.  I've never seen him disrespect anyone actually lol.  Just saying man.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: ConCon Comes to a Close
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 12, 2009, 10:59:48 PM
Ebowed, not Meeker, is challenging Hamilton. It's okay, it's late. ;)

They're both just red Washington avatars to me. :P

And this is what the Pacific needs... not just another empty suit hiding behind a red avatar. We need a true independent voice that will work for the people.

I'll take an empty suit hiding behind a red avatar over an insufferable twelve-year-old with the intellectual acumen of a goldfish any day.

I don't know any of those on this forum but you seem to be the only person acting like one.

Meeker is one of our oldest and still a very respected poster here.  Hes also a friend of mine Hamilton and to my knowledge he'd never said anything to you man.  Please be respectful.

He actually has, in other threads, for reasons unknown, simply stating "I don't like you." HW, I like you, but please don't judge me on my disagreeing with someone who insults me without offering me justification.

I'm not judging you dude.  Just saying.  I had'nt seen him disrespecting you before.  I've never seen him disrespect anyone actually lol.  Just saying man.

I'm not trying to say you're judging, I'm just hoping that you don't. He said he really dislikes me, and has taunted my candidacy in multiple threads.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: Meeker on August 13, 2009, 01:12:42 AM
I never said I disliked you simply for personal reasons. I simply responded to your accusation that I was a partisan hack by noting that my objection to you was not based on party affiliation but rather on your own personal actions since arriving in Atlasia. As HappyWarrior correctly observed, I'm hardly ever rude or even confrontational towards anyone - it's simply not in my nature. However, when someone such as you comes along and practically demands I respond, there's nothing more I can do then defend myself and my friends.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 13, 2009, 01:14:52 AM
I never said I disliked you simply for personal reasons. I simply responded to your accusation that I was a partisan hack by noting that my objection to you was not based on party affiliation but rather on your own personal actions since arriving in Atlasia. As HappyWarrior correctly observed, I'm hardly ever rude or even confrontational towards anyone - it's simply not in my nature. However, when someone such as you comes along and practically demands I respond, there's nothing more I can do then defend myself and my friends.

Well you said you dislike me, and I took it personally. I also said you were being a dick to me, which was wrong. I would like to make it clear to you that maybe there is a bit of misunderstanding but I don't hold anything against you anymore and appreciate you helping to clear things up.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 13, 2009, 01:15:51 AM
Can more than one person be a dick to you? 'Cause i'll jump in if I can.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 13, 2009, 01:17:50 AM
Can more than one person be a dick to you? 'Cause i'll jump in if I can.

I've actually looked forward to seeing you back in the Senate, so I'd hope you wouldn't want to just be a dick to me. I think we have many common positions that we can help each other work with and I'd sure be glad to do so. Without you in the Senate, people like us lose an important economic voice.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: Hash on August 13, 2009, 08:02:12 AM
The recent invasion of RPP drones registering in the Pacific is ing disgusting.

Hamilton might win by virtue of useless drones who will fade into irrelevancy until the next time they're needed. Good job people, you're really screwing Atlasia.

It's la grande noirceur all over again. Welcome to the new Union nationale.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: Јas on August 13, 2009, 08:22:02 AM
The regular influxes of neophyte RPPites are becoming a useful reminder that elections are approaching. I'm particularly looking forward to cindywho2212 returning to vote.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: Ebowed on August 13, 2009, 08:23:26 AM
I'm particularly looking forward to cindywho2212 returning to vote.

She is one of the forum's most valued assets.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: Vepres on August 13, 2009, 10:35:23 AM
Reminder from the Editor
Remember, I will accept op-eds from anybody provided they're well written and not hackery.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: SPC on August 13, 2009, 10:45:51 AM
Hamilton might win by virtue of useless drones who will fade into irrelevancy until the next time they're needed.

Isn't that how the JCP wins elections?


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: MaxQue on August 13, 2009, 04:03:35 PM
Hamilton might win by virtue of useless drones who will fade into irrelevancy until the next time they're needed.

Isn't that how the JCP wins elections?

No, our voters are active in other forum parts, unlike RPP drones.

Hashemite, that is a grat comparison than, sadly, most Atlasians won't catch.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 13, 2009, 07:12:19 PM
Hamilton might win by virtue of useless drones who will fade into irrelevancy until the next time they're needed.

Isn't that how the JCP wins elections?

No, our voters are active in other forum parts, unlike RPP drones.

Hashemite, that is a grat comparison than, sadly, most Atlasians won't catch.

     So? They are inactive in Atlasia, which has been a consistent issue explored by all real attempts at registration reform. Nevertheless, no good solution has ever emerged.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 13, 2009, 07:15:35 PM
All parties have their respective good and not so good posters. Trying to make it partisan won't solve the problem.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: MaxQue on August 13, 2009, 09:34:16 PM
All parties have their respective good and not so good posters. Trying to make it partisan won't solve the problem.

Right.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: Sewer on August 13, 2009, 09:36:56 PM
All parties have their respective good and not so good posters. Trying to make it partisan won't solve the problem.

Lies, All LNF posters are good.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 13, 2009, 10:48:53 PM
All parties have their respective good and not so good posters. Trying to make it partisan won't solve the problem.



JCP has Gporter for starters, among other undesirables. But I won't judge the party or it's members based on the actions of other members. I'd appreciate if you wouldn't do that to any other party, as well.

"All LNF posters are good," said a bad one.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: Vepres on August 13, 2009, 11:21:25 PM
Please take your bickering elsewhere.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: Sewer on August 13, 2009, 11:24:06 PM
Please take your Mom elsewhere.



O SHI.T BURN.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 13, 2009, 11:28:40 PM

Why the mods don't eliminate road kill like you I will never know.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: Sewer on August 13, 2009, 11:33:54 PM

Why the mods don't eliminate road kill like you I will never know.


THE RPP WATS TO BAN ME.


AGAN.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: bgwah on August 14, 2009, 12:09:25 AM
Hamilton might win by virtue of useless drones who will fade into irrelevancy until the next time they're needed.

Isn't that how the JCP wins elections?

No, our voters are active in other forum parts, unlike RPP drones.

Hashemite, that is a grat comparison than, sadly, most Atlasians won't catch.

     So? They are inactive in Atlasia, which has been a consistent issue explored by all real attempts at registration reform. Nevertheless, no good solution has ever emerged.

We haven't ever registered large numbers of mysterious newbies who spam their way to the required number of posts. Surely you can understand why some of us, and it's clearly not just those of us in the JCP, find it suspicious.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: Sewer on August 14, 2009, 12:11:37 AM
Hamilton might win by virtue of useless drones who will fade into irrelevancy until the next time they're needed.

Isn't that how the JCP wins elections?

No, our voters are active in other forum parts, unlike RPP drones.

Hashemite, that is a grat comparison than, sadly, most Atlasians won't catch.

     So? They are inactive in Atlasia, which has been a consistent issue explored by all real attempts at registration reform. Nevertheless, no good solution has ever emerged.

We haven't ever registered large numbers of mysterious newbies who spam their way to the required number of posts. Surely you can understand why some of us, and it's clearly not just those of us in the JCP, find it suspicious.

Why bgwah why?


Why do you lie?


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 14, 2009, 12:12:46 AM
The RPP is constantly accused of signing up newbies who never get involved, when in fact almost none of our members haven't gotten involved.  This accusation is not new, we heard it about Smid, dead0man, PiT, NCYankee, Daniel Adams, etc., etc.

Just because someone is new in Atlasia does not mean they won't be active, obviously we have to start somewhere.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 14, 2009, 12:16:43 AM
Hamilton might win by virtue of useless drones who will fade into irrelevancy until the next time they're needed.

Isn't that how the JCP wins elections?

No, our voters are active in other forum parts, unlike RPP drones.

Hashemite, that is a grat comparison than, sadly, most Atlasians won't catch.

     So? They are inactive in Atlasia, which has been a consistent issue explored by all real attempts at registration reform. Nevertheless, no good solution has ever emerged.

We haven't ever registered large numbers of mysterious newbies who spam their way to the required number of posts. Surely you can understand why some of us, and it's clearly not just those of us in the JCP, find it suspicious.

     I'm also sure you can understand why I don't think much of your suspicions when you & your party members make it plainly clear that you don't care at all about activity in Atlasia. Of course, I'm more inclined to address any concerns of non-JCPers.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: Purple State on August 14, 2009, 12:21:27 AM
The whole "which machine is less ethical?" debate really boils down to the nature of each party.

The JCP has been around for a long time and was founded, presumably (as it was way before my time), on the basis of a different time in Atlasia. So its zombies are members from a different era of the game that just fell away. This has pros (they are proven contributing members) and cons (they are less likely to get back into the game).

The RPP has not been around very long and was founded out of some sort of attempt at a shaking up of the game. It's zombies tend to be new members that have never played the game and know little about the forum, oftentimes being recruited right at the legal point. This has pros as well (new blood in the game can lead to some good things) and cons (it whiffs of attempting to rig an election and could lead to trolls, etc.).

I'm not going to judge which one is worse. Each one certainly frustrates me at certain times, but I'm not going to pretend that it's not an integral part of this game. I guess the goal now is to find some way, whether by statute or sheer effort, to simultaneously weaken the machines so no one is advantaged unduly. Perhaps a combination of Hashemite's proposal to clean up inactive members and Marokai's initiative to raise the registration requirements. Just my two cents.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 14, 2009, 12:22:21 AM
So its zombies are members from a different era of the game that just fell away.

Generally not true anymore, although a year ago most of its zombies were.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 14, 2009, 12:35:21 AM
I guess the goal now is to find some way, whether by statute or sheer effort, to simultaneously weaken the machines so no one is advantaged unduly. Perhaps a combination of Hashemite's proposal to clean up inactive members and Marokai's initiative to raise the registration requirements. Just my two cents.

     The way to do it would be to introduce some sort of reform that required activity in Atlasia. Genuine activity, not just spamming. That would be very difficult to accomplish, however.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: bgwah on August 14, 2009, 12:37:16 AM
Hamilton might win by virtue of useless drones who will fade into irrelevancy until the next time they're needed.

Isn't that how the JCP wins elections?

No, our voters are active in other forum parts, unlike RPP drones.

Hashemite, that is a grat comparison than, sadly, most Atlasians won't catch.

     So? They are inactive in Atlasia, which has been a consistent issue explored by all real attempts at registration reform. Nevertheless, no good solution has ever emerged.

We haven't ever registered large numbers of mysterious newbies who spam their way to the required number of posts. Surely you can understand why some of us, and it's clearly not just those of us in the JCP, find it suspicious.

     I'm also sure you can understand why I don't think much of your suspicions when you & your party members make it plainly clear that you don't care at all about activity in Atlasia. Of course, I'm more inclined to address any concerns of non-JCPers.

I don't believe I was criticizing the activity of RPP members...

I try to recruit as many established forumers as I can to the JCP & Atlasia. Some of them choose not to get terribly involved beyond voting. But even then, many of them do chime in every once in a while, like Alcon and Lunar. I even had BRTD and Boris both come to me telling me they opposed the JCP name change. How would those guys even be aware of that if they never read this forum? And really, when the RPP constantly floods the forum with spamming newbies to vote for them, I cannot help but feel it is necessary to ask all members of my party to vote to counter them and even the playing field.

But what I'm saying is that I think there is something fishy with the latest batch of RPP recruits. And clearly just about everybody who isn't in the RPP feels the same way. But at this point we can only speculate.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 14, 2009, 12:39:59 AM
I can 100% assure you that none of our voters our socks, our private forum has the IP checks to prove it.  We wouldn't allow such a thing and everyone knows that


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: Sewer on August 14, 2009, 12:43:08 AM

Prove it.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 14, 2009, 12:44:53 AM
Prove what?  That none of the IPs match?  What do you want a list of everyone's IP?  (why do I ask of course you do because that's you)


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: Sewer on August 14, 2009, 12:48:02 AM
Prove what?  That none of the IPs match?  What do you want a list of everyone's IP?  (why do I ask of course you do because that's you)


If you don't show me that means your lying.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 14, 2009, 01:04:31 AM
Hamilton might win by virtue of useless drones who will fade into irrelevancy until the next time they're needed.

Isn't that how the JCP wins elections?

No, our voters are active in other forum parts, unlike RPP drones.

Hashemite, that is a grat comparison than, sadly, most Atlasians won't catch.

     So? They are inactive in Atlasia, which has been a consistent issue explored by all real attempts at registration reform. Nevertheless, no good solution has ever emerged.

We haven't ever registered large numbers of mysterious newbies who spam their way to the required number of posts. Surely you can understand why some of us, and it's clearly not just those of us in the JCP, find it suspicious.

     I'm also sure you can understand why I don't think much of your suspicions when you & your party members make it plainly clear that you don't care at all about activity in Atlasia. Of course, I'm more inclined to address any concerns of non-JCPers.

I don't believe I was criticizing the activity of RPP members...

I try to recruit as many established forumers as I can to the JCP & Atlasia. Some of them choose not to get terribly involved beyond voting. But even then, many of them do chime in every once in a while, like Alcon and Lunar. I even had BRTD and Boris both come to me telling me they opposed the JCP name change. How would those guys even be aware of that if they never read this forum? And really, when the RPP constantly floods the forum with spamming newbies to vote for them, I cannot help but feel it is necessary to ask all members of my party to vote to counter them and even the playing field.

But what I'm saying is that I think there is something fishy with the latest batch of RPP recruits. And clearly just about everybody who isn't in the RPP feels the same way. But at this point we can only speculate.

     Eh, you're probably my favorite JCPer, so I'll be more cordial now than I was before.

     The RPP has been especially aggressive in its recruiting efforts as of late in order to level the playing field, actually. As I'm sure you've noticed, no member of the RPP has ever won an at-large special election. At some point, we realized that if we just sat around & didn't bother to expand, we may as well not even attempt to compete in the special elections.

     For the most part, I am not aware of offsite recruiting, though my power in the RPP is not a fraction of what it once was. The RPP is large enough now that most of its operations occur out of my purview, & I am proud of that. After all, it was largely out of my efforts that it became such a self-sufficient entity. I do however find it unlikely that recent registrees on the forum lean so strongly to the right.

     Also, we try to get many of our members involved in Atlasia. Obviously we don't get the chance to get everyone involved, but if we think that we can win a given seat while running a candidate with little or no previous experience in Atlasia, we will often approach them about running. If we can get someone genuinely interested in participating in Atlasia, that makes me happy.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: bgwah on August 14, 2009, 01:08:28 AM
^ Well, this forum in general tends to lean a bit to the left. When you look at these national elections, you see that when a more moderate person such as yourself ran you basically tied us... But DWTL and Duke lost not because they were members of the RPP, but because they were too conservative for your average Atlasian.

The fact that the left is so divided, into two parties, and arguably three (I consider a majority of the DA to be more leftist than rightist) would seemingly level the playing field for the RPP, somewhat.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 14, 2009, 01:16:43 AM
^ Well, this forum in general tends to lean a bit to the left. When you look at these national elections, you see that when a more moderate person such as yourself ran you basically tied us... But DWTL and Duke lost not because they were members of the RPP, but because they were too conservative for your average Atlasian.

The fact that the left is so divided, into two parties, and arguably three (I consider a majority of the DA to be more leftist than rightist) would seemingly level the playing field for the RPP, somewhat.

     I worked extremely hard in order to just get a tie. I literally PM'd half the JCP making the case for why they should vote for me, & as well as anyone outside of the RPP who I deemed even remotely likely to vote for me. I was sabotaged by an incredible run of bad luck, though, including something like five of my supporters getting their votes invalidated.

     Also, preferential voting means that splits in each wing don't mean too much. They only really matter when party bosses start micromanaging the vote, like when Purple State got elected at the expense of Lief. ;)


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: Purple State on August 14, 2009, 01:19:26 AM
     Also, preferential voting means that splits in each wing don't mean too much. They only really matter when party bosses start micromanaging the vote, like when Purple State got elected at the expense of Lief. ;)

Yeah, I'll be the first to admit that together with SPC's dive to get DWTL in was the purest example of what is wrong with the preferential method. But it adds a level of excitement that far outweighs the issues.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 14, 2009, 01:20:10 AM
     Also, preferential voting means that splits in each wing don't mean too much. They only really matter when party bosses start micromanaging the vote, like when Purple State got elected at the expense of Lief. ;)

Yeah, I'll be the first to admit that together with SPC's dive to get DWTL in was the purest example of what is wrong with the preferential method. But it adds a level of excitement that far outweighs the issues.

Kind of like the electoral college. People like seeing the states pop up on the map.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: bgwah on August 14, 2009, 02:47:36 PM
^ Well, this forum in general tends to lean a bit to the left. When you look at these national elections, you see that when a more moderate person such as yourself ran you basically tied us... But DWTL and Duke lost not because they were members of the RPP, but because they were too conservative for your average Atlasian.

The fact that the left is so divided, into two parties, and arguably three (I consider a majority of the DA to be more leftist than rightist) would seemingly level the playing field for the RPP, somewhat.

     I worked extremely hard in order to just get a tie. I literally PM'd half the JCP making the case for why they should vote for me, & as well as anyone outside of the RPP who I deemed even remotely likely to vote for me. I was sabotaged by an incredible run of bad luck, though, including something like five of my supporters getting their votes invalidated.

     Also, preferential voting means that splits in each wing don't mean too much. They only really matter when party bosses start micromanaging the vote, like when Purple State got elected at the expense of Lief. ;)

Sabotage suggests something sinister---there was nothing sinister about three of your own voters invalidating their votes.

Your side turned the absentee voting booth into the general voting booth, and I felt like we lost a lot of votes because we did not intend to go into full campaign mode so early. But we had to to have a chance.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Pacific Lt. Governor Race Heats UP and More!
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 14, 2009, 04:38:11 PM
^ Well, this forum in general tends to lean a bit to the left. When you look at these national elections, you see that when a more moderate person such as yourself ran you basically tied us... But DWTL and Duke lost not because they were members of the RPP, but because they were too conservative for your average Atlasian.

The fact that the left is so divided, into two parties, and arguably three (I consider a majority of the DA to be more leftist than rightist) would seemingly level the playing field for the RPP, somewhat.

     I worked extremely hard in order to just get a tie. I literally PM'd half the JCP making the case for why they should vote for me, & as well as anyone outside of the RPP who I deemed even remotely likely to vote for me. I was sabotaged by an incredible run of bad luck, though, including something like five of my supporters getting their votes invalidated.

     Also, preferential voting means that splits in each wing don't mean too much. They only really matter when party bosses start micromanaging the vote, like when Purple State got elected at the expense of Lief. ;)

Sabotage suggests something sinister---there was nothing sinister about three of your own voters invalidating their votes.

Your side turned the absentee voting booth into the general voting booth, and I felt like we lost a lot of votes because we did not intend to go into full campaign mode so early. But we had to to have a chance.

     Well, I was using it as a figure of speech.

     I seem to recall Lief leading wire-to-wire in the absentee voting booth & me doing the same in the regular voting booth. I know that I did not mass PM RPPers about voting until the regular voting booth opened. If anything, I lost a lot of votes by going into full campaign mode too late. By the time I really started PMing people, I had lost several crucial votes that I think I could have gotten otherwise.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Duke Enters the At-Large Senate Race
Post by: SPC on August 16, 2009, 12:11:49 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Duke Enters the At-Large Senate Race
By Vepres

Former Dirty South Governor AHDuke has entered the at-large Senate election as a write-in candidate. He is the third RPP member to enter the race, a risky move because the party managed only to win one seat in the last regular at-large election. Interestingly, he seems to have more support from DA and JCP voters than either SPC or RowanBrandon.

It appears the RPP is trying to pull of three seats, much like the DA did in April 2009. In that election, Purple State and afleitch both narrowly defeated SDP candidate Lief. If the RPP could pull off the same feat, they would have five seats, just one shy of a majority. However, the odds are slim that this will happen, despite the recent recruitment the RPP has conducted.

Duke may prove to be a formidable candidate, as he is more moderate than SPC and RowanBrandon.

Actually we would have six seats if Duke won, our first majority ever.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Duke Enters the At-Large Senate Race
Post by: afleitch on August 16, 2009, 12:16:47 PM
There is a strong chance that the RPP will see all 3 elected. What counts more than anything are 1st and 2nd prefs. With the JCP and the RPP likely to preference their own (understandably) 1, 2 and in the case of the RPP, 3 then it leaves myself and Franzl in a difficult position.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Duke Enters the At-Large Senate Race
Post by: Purple State on August 16, 2009, 01:01:39 PM
There is a strong chance that the RPP will see all 3 elected. What counts more than anything are 1st and 2nd prefs. With the JCP and the RPP likely to preference their own (understandably) 1, 2 and in the case of the RPP, 3 then it leaves myself and Franzl in a difficult position.

I will certainly be rooting for you and Franzl to get re-elected. I will probably hold my vote for Sunday to help out whichever one of you could use the bigger boost. I figure if everyone else can vote strategically, why not me? It would be a disservice to lose one of you in the Senate.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Duke Enters the At-Large Senate Race
Post by: Vepres on August 16, 2009, 01:02:14 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Duke Enters the At-Large Senate Race
By Vepres

Former Dirty South Governor AHDuke has entered the at-large Senate election as a write-in candidate. He is the third RPP member to enter the race, a risky move because the party managed only to win one seat in the last regular at-large election. Interestingly, he seems to have more support from DA and JCP voters than either SPC or RowanBrandon.

It appears the RPP is trying to pull of three seats, much like the DA did in April 2009. In that election, Purple State and afleitch both narrowly defeated SDP candidate Lief. If the RPP could pull off the same feat, they would have five seats, just one shy of a majority. However, the odds are slim that this will happen, despite the recent recruitment the RPP has conducted.

Duke may prove to be a formidable candidate, as he is more moderate than SPC and RowanBrandon.

Actually we would have six seats if Duke won, our first majority ever.

Right. Fixed.

By the way, if we achieve a majority, do we select a majority leader? And will there be a minority leader among the JCP and DA? That would be interesting to say the least.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Duke Enters the At-Large Senate Race
Post by: Purple State on August 16, 2009, 01:04:26 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Duke Enters the At-Large Senate Race
By Vepres

Former Dirty South Governor AHDuke has entered the at-large Senate election as a write-in candidate. He is the third RPP member to enter the race, a risky move because the party managed only to win one seat in the last regular at-large election. Interestingly, he seems to have more support from DA and JCP voters than either SPC or RowanBrandon.

It appears the RPP is trying to pull of three seats, much like the DA did in April 2009. In that election, Purple State and afleitch both narrowly defeated SDP candidate Lief. If the RPP could pull off the same feat, they would have five seats, just one shy of a majority. However, the odds are slim that this will happen, despite the recent recruitment the RPP has conducted.

Duke may prove to be a formidable candidate, as he is more moderate than SPC and RowanBrandon.

Actually we would have six seats if Duke won, our first majority ever.

Right. Fixed.

By the way, if we achieve a majority, do we select a majority leader? And will there be a minority leader among the JCP and DA? That would be interesting to say the least.

Well you can bet that the PPT will be a member of the RPP and I imagine DWTL will be a lot more active in influencing the Senate. You can also count on Lief exercising his veto right quite a bit, as well as long forgotten cloture votes to prevent final votes on legislation.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Duke Enters the At-Large Senate Race
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 16, 2009, 01:05:17 PM
We could have an unofficial leader, but not an official one in the sense of the American congress.  The closest thing was when we had 5 seats and I thought I was going to be PPT :P


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Duke Enters the At-Large Senate Race
Post by: Vepres on August 16, 2009, 01:09:16 PM
I was thinking we could have an unofficial leader who would speak for the majority.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Duke Enters the At-Large Senate Race
Post by: Rowan on August 16, 2009, 01:12:16 PM
I was thinking we could have an unofficial leader who would speak for the majority.

The only person that speaks for me is me, so I disagree with this idea.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Duke Enters the At-Large Senate Race
Post by: SPC on August 16, 2009, 01:14:09 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Duke Enters the At-Large Senate Race
By Vepres

Former Dirty South Governor AHDuke has entered the at-large Senate election as a write-in candidate. He is the third RPP member to enter the race, a risky move because the party managed only to win one seat in the last regular at-large election. Interestingly, he seems to have more support from DA and JCP voters than either SPC or RowanBrandon.

It appears the RPP is trying to pull of three seats, much like the DA did in April 2009. In that election, Purple State and afleitch both narrowly defeated SDP candidate Lief. If the RPP could pull off the same feat, they would have five seats, just one shy of a majority. However, the odds are slim that this will happen, despite the recent recruitment the RPP has conducted.

Duke may prove to be a formidable candidate, as he is more moderate than SPC and RowanBrandon.

Actually we would have six seats if Duke won, our first majority ever.

Right. Fixed.

By the way, if we achieve a majority, do we select a majority leader? And will there be a minority leader among the JCP and DA? That would be interesting to say the least.

I suspect that the closest thing to a majority leader would be PPT Masterjedi.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Duke Enters the At-Large Senate Race
Post by: Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese on August 16, 2009, 01:15:09 PM
I hope that our current PPT gets to keep his job even if the left comes out on top in this election. MasterJedi has done a good job as Senate leader if you ask me.

 


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Duke Enters the At-Large Senate Race
Post by: SPC on August 16, 2009, 01:16:45 PM
I hope that our current PPT gets to keep his job even if the left comes out on top in this election. MasterJedi has done a good job as Senate leader if you ask me.

 

The RPP is guarenteed to gain at least one seat in this election, so I doubt MasterJedi could possibly be hurt.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Duke Enters the At-Large Senate Race
Post by: afleitch on August 16, 2009, 01:18:45 PM
I hope that our current PPT gets to keep his job even if the left comes out on top in this election. MasterJedi has done a good job as Senate leader if you ask me.

 

The RPP is guarenteed to gain at least one seat in this election, so I doubt MasterJedi could possibly be hurt.

That aside, I don't expect any challenge to him should things even remain 'as is'. He holds my support and the support of nearly everyone else too.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Duke Enters the At-Large Senate Race
Post by: Vepres on August 16, 2009, 01:30:20 PM
I was thinking we could have an unofficial leader who would speak for the majority.

The only person that speaks for me is me, so I disagree with this idea.
The Atlasian Sentinel
Duke Enters the At-Large Senate Race
By Vepres

Former Dirty South Governor AHDuke has entered the at-large Senate election as a write-in candidate. He is the third RPP member to enter the race, a risky move because the party managed only to win one seat in the last regular at-large election. Interestingly, he seems to have more support from DA and JCP voters than either SPC or RowanBrandon.

It appears the RPP is trying to pull of three seats, much like the DA did in April 2009. In that election, Purple State and afleitch both narrowly defeated SDP candidate Lief. If the RPP could pull off the same feat, they would have five seats, just one shy of a majority. However, the odds are slim that this will happen, despite the recent recruitment the RPP has conducted.

Duke may prove to be a formidable candidate, as he is more moderate than SPC and RowanBrandon.

Actually we would have six seats if Duke won, our first majority ever.

Right. Fixed.

By the way, if we achieve a majority, do we select a majority leader? And will there be a minority leader among the JCP and DA? That would be interesting to say the least.

I suspect that the closest thing to a majority leader would be PPT Masterjedi.

You're probably right. I think our Senate may be too small. It would add an interesting dynamic, but 10 is too small.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: New GM Very Active, Yet Senators Take Little Notice
Post by: Vepres on August 21, 2009, 07:34:43 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
New GM Very Active, Yet Senators Take Little Notice
By Vepres

When GM Purple State was sworn in, people from all sides of the political spectrum celebrated. For the first time in a long time, Atlasia would have an active GM. Yet, while Purple State has performed admirably thus far, few in the government seem to take any action on the news.

Take, for example, his recent report on the healthcare bill. Not one Senator commented on it despite the fact that it was one of the most important bills signed into law in the past few Senates.

Purple State said this in the news unit:

Quote
Not even a comment on health care, not to mention moves to amend or make it better. You guys need to keep up with these things. I can give you all the data in the world, but it wont mean anything if you don't respond.

The only Senator to comment on the healthcare article was Senator North Carolina Yankee (RPP-NC).

Quote
Well I being a cynical conservative doubt that it would run a surplus, at least initially. Other then that they seem at least somewhat reasonable. It would have a positive effect on wages and employement, and even GDP cause small Businesses will expand as you say so thats correct. It would also lead to the dropping of private Health Care plans and the bankruptcy of many small insurers as you say it does.

However, besides him, the Senators have given little in the way of response to the new GM"s articles. Of course, it is election season, and so the focus is on the elections, but let's not lose sight of the fact that the government must respond to the GM news or else the position is useless.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: New GM Very Active, Yet Senators Take Little Notice
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 21, 2009, 08:24:37 PM
Well, two things.

One, it's an election, and usually very little is done legislatively because people are hesitant or simply unwilling to move on important legislation when there's no idea how the make-up of the Senate will end up being, so it's unfair to criticize the Senate now over activity.

Secondly, I would happily take more notice of the goings-on around here if my last few days hadn't been a stressful disaster. I promise to take more notice when I'm not dealing with house burnings.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Projection
Post by: Vepres on August 21, 2009, 08:32:34 PM
We can project that RowanBrandon will be elected to the Senate.

That makes this the current make up of the Senate:
()

Yellow - RPP
Light Blue - DA
Green - JCP


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Projection
Post by: Barnes on August 21, 2009, 08:34:37 PM
We can project that RowanBrandon will be elected to the Senate.

That makes this the current make up of the Senate:
()

Yellow - RPP
Light Blue - DA
Green - JCP

I like the graphic! :D


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: New GM Very Active, Yet Senators Take Little Notice
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 21, 2009, 08:35:08 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
New GM Very Active, Yet Senators Take Little Notice
By Vepres

When GM Purple State was sworn in, people from all sides of the political spectrum celebrated. For the first time in a long time, Atlasia would have an active GM. Yet, while Purple State has performed admirably thus far, few in the government seem to take any action on the news.

Take, for example, his recent report on the healthcare bill. Not one Senator commented on it despite the fact that it was one of the most important bills signed into law in the past few Senates.

Purple State said this in the news unit:

Quote
Not even a comment on health care, not to mention moves to amend or make it better. You guys need to keep up with these things. I can give you all the data in the world, but it wont mean anything if you don't respond.

Of course, it is election season, and so the focus is on the elections, but let's not lose sight of the fact that the government must respond to the GM news or else the position is useless.

Excuse me, and just what the hell do you call this post from the other day, whistling Dixie?
Obviously if any deputy GM would be needed, it's in the economic sector. ;)

How do the healthcare numbers look?

Well I being a cynical conservative doubt that it would run a surplus, at least initially. Other then that they seem at least somewhat reasonable. It would have a positive effect on wages and employement, and even GDP cause small Businesses will expand as you say so thats correct. It would also lead to the dropping of private Health Care plans and the bankruptcy of many small insurers as you say it does. I would say Good job.

And you wanted to do it for Foriegn policy? Told you :P. Needs a separate position. Unfortunately most of the "experts" either aren't registered in Atlasia like Beet, Ford, Carl Hayden or have other positions already, Sam Spade. And if you are thinking about me the answer is No way in hell. :P

Granted it was more about PS's analysis then the Healthcare plan itself but I did comment on the "effects" of the bill as a way of showing where PS had a good analysis, so I was commenting about it indirectly. Am I not considered a Senator?

That comment you posted from PS was in response to a request for economic data from me? What he has given so far while important is too broad and too disconected from underlying factors to tell us where to go? I asked for Libor-OIS spread to see if Credit markets where tightening, and maybe the need for a direct loans to consumers and Businesses as a response, PS refused sighting he didn;t now what it is.

I then today asked for data on Consumer and Factory orders and he refuses, saying we aren't responding. I am responding god damnit, I can't introduce legislation without more specific details about the real prime economic movers like Factory orders, Consumer data, Housing and Exports. The stock market and even Unemployement is basically meaningless in addressing matters of policy. Clearly Purple State has a very limited knowledge of economics and if he is unwilling or unable to expand his knowledge on the subject I am afraid he will end up like the last two GM's, a mistake of an appointment. I wish we could have have two GM's let PS handle foriegn sh**t and give the other one to Sam Spade or somone who know economics handle the economy.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Projection
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 21, 2009, 08:35:31 PM
We can project that RowanBrandon will be elected to the Senate.

That makes this the current make up of the Senate:
()

Yellow - RPP
Light Blue - DA
Green - JCP

I like the graphic! :D

Will you still like it when it has 6 yellow spaces? ;)


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: New GM Very Active, Yet Senators Take Little Notice
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 21, 2009, 08:36:38 PM


Granted it was more about PS's analysis then the Healthcare plan itself but I did comment on the "effects" of the bill as a way of showing where PS had a good analysis, so I was commenting about it indirectly. Am I not considered a Senator?

RPP gets no credit around here.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: New GM Very Active, Yet Senators Take Little Notice
Post by: Vepres on August 21, 2009, 08:38:11 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
New GM Very Active, Yet Senators Take Little Notice
By Vepres

When GM Purple State was sworn in, people from all sides of the political spectrum celebrated. For the first time in a long time, Atlasia would have an active GM. Yet, while Purple State has performed admirably thus far, few in the government seem to take any action on the news.

Take, for example, his recent report on the healthcare bill. Not one Senator commented on it despite the fact that it was one of the most important bills signed into law in the past few Senates.

Purple State said this in the news unit:

Quote
Not even a comment on health care, not to mention moves to amend or make it better. You guys need to keep up with these things. I can give you all the data in the world, but it wont mean anything if you don't respond.

Of course, it is election season, and so the focus is on the elections, but let's not lose sight of the fact that the government must respond to the GM news or else the position is useless.

Excuse me, and just what the hell do you call this post from the other day, whistling Dixie?
Obviously if any deputy GM would be needed, it's in the economic sector. ;)

How do the healthcare numbers look?

Well I being a cynical conservative doubt that it would run a surplus, at least initially. Other then that they seem at least somewhat reasonable. It would have a positive effect on wages and employement, and even GDP cause small Businesses will expand as you say so thats correct. It would also lead to the dropping of private Health Care plans and the bankruptcy of many small insurers as you say it does. I would say Good job.

And you wanted to do it for Foriegn policy? Told you :P. Needs a separate position. Unfortunately most of the "experts" either aren't registered in Atlasia like Beet, Ford, Carl Hayden or have other positions already, Sam Spade. And if you are thinking about me the answer is No way in hell. :P

Granted it was more about PS's analysis then the Healthcare plan itself but I did comment on the "effects" of the bill as a way of showing where PS had a good analysis, so I was commenting about it indirectly. Am I not considered a Senator?

I was referring to it from a policy stand point. I'll add that you commented on the article.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: New GM Very Active, Yet Senators Take Little Notice
Post by: Vepres on August 21, 2009, 08:43:38 PM
Well, two things.

One, it's an election, and usually very little is done legislatively because people are hesitant or simply unwilling to move on important legislation when there's no idea how the make-up of the Senate will end up being, so it's unfair to criticize the Senate now over activity.

Secondly, I would happily take more notice of the goings-on around here if my last few days hadn't been a stressful disaster. I promise to take more notice when I'm not dealing with house burnings.

I wasn't critiquing anybody specific, and I did note that it was election season.

Your real life crisis absolutely means that you have a good reason to not comment. I am just trying to making sure that Purple State's effort isn't wasted.

@ NCYankee: I added that you commented on the health care article in the my article.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Projection
Post by: Lief 🗽 on August 21, 2009, 08:47:02 PM
I like the graphic, they're always fun.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: New GM Very Active, Yet Senators Take Little Notice
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 21, 2009, 08:49:04 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
New GM Very Active, Yet Senators Take Little Notice
By Vepres

When GM Purple State was sworn in, people from all sides of the political spectrum celebrated. For the first time in a long time, Atlasia would have an active GM. Yet, while Purple State has performed admirably thus far, few in the government seem to take any action on the news.

Take, for example, his recent report on the healthcare bill. Not one Senator commented on it despite the fact that it was one of the most important bills signed into law in the past few Senates.

Purple State said this in the news unit:

Quote
Not even a comment on health care, not to mention moves to amend or make it better. You guys need to keep up with these things. I can give you all the data in the world, but it wont mean anything if you don't respond.

Of course, it is election season, and so the focus is on the elections, but let's not lose sight of the fact that the government must respond to the GM news or else the position is useless.

Excuse me, and just what the hell do you call this post from the other day, whistling Dixie?
Obviously if any deputy GM would be needed, it's in the economic sector. ;)

How do the healthcare numbers look?

Well I being a cynical conservative doubt that it would run a surplus, at least initially. Other then that they seem at least somewhat reasonable. It would have a positive effect on wages and employement, and even GDP cause small Businesses will expand as you say so thats correct. It would also lead to the dropping of private Health Care plans and the bankruptcy of many small insurers as you say it does. I would say Good job.

And you wanted to do it for Foriegn policy? Told you :P. Needs a separate position. Unfortunately most of the "experts" either aren't registered in Atlasia like Beet, Ford, Carl Hayden or have other positions already, Sam Spade. And if you are thinking about me the answer is No way in hell. :P

Granted it was more about PS's analysis then the Healthcare plan itself but I did comment on the "effects" of the bill as a way of showing where PS had a good analysis, so I was commenting about it indirectly. Am I not considered a Senator?

That comment you posted from PS was in response to a request for economic data from me? What he has given so far while important is too broad and too disconected from underlying factors to tell us where to go? I asked for Libor-OIS spread to see if Credit markets where tightening, and maybe the need for a direct loans to consumers and Businesses as a response, PS refused sighting he didn;t now what it is.

I then today asked for data on Consumer and Factory orders and he refuses, saying we aren't responding. I am responding god damnit, I can't introduce legislation without more specific details about the real prime economic movers like Factory orders, Consumer data, Housing and Exports. The stock market and even Unemployement is basically meaningless in addressing matters of policy. Clearly Purple State has a very limited knowledge of economics and if he is unwilling or unable to expand his knowledge on the subject I am afraid he will end up like the last two GM's, a mistake of an appointment. I wish we could have have two GM's let PS handle foriegn sh**t and give the other one to Sam Spade or somone who know economics handle the economy.

Bumping cause I added a furher response to the rest of a very pro-PS article.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Projection
Post by: Barnes on August 21, 2009, 08:49:23 PM
I like the graphic, they're always fun.

Especially when the seats are Blue and Green! ;D


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: New GM Very Active, Yet Senators Take Little Notice
Post by: Vepres on August 21, 2009, 08:52:15 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
New GM Very Active, Yet Senators Take Little Notice
By Vepres

When GM Purple State was sworn in, people from all sides of the political spectrum celebrated. For the first time in a long time, Atlasia would have an active GM. Yet, while Purple State has performed admirably thus far, few in the government seem to take any action on the news.

Take, for example, his recent report on the healthcare bill. Not one Senator commented on it despite the fact that it was one of the most important bills signed into law in the past few Senates.

Purple State said this in the news unit:

Quote
Not even a comment on health care, not to mention moves to amend or make it better. You guys need to keep up with these things. I can give you all the data in the world, but it wont mean anything if you don't respond.

Of course, it is election season, and so the focus is on the elections, but let's not lose sight of the fact that the government must respond to the GM news or else the position is useless.

Excuse me, and just what the hell do you call this post from the other day, whistling Dixie?
Obviously if any deputy GM would be needed, it's in the economic sector. ;)

How do the healthcare numbers look?

Well I being a cynical conservative doubt that it would run a surplus, at least initially. Other then that they seem at least somewhat reasonable. It would have a positive effect on wages and employement, and even GDP cause small Businesses will expand as you say so thats correct. It would also lead to the dropping of private Health Care plans and the bankruptcy of many small insurers as you say it does. I would say Good job.

And you wanted to do it for Foriegn policy? Told you :P. Needs a separate position. Unfortunately most of the "experts" either aren't registered in Atlasia like Beet, Ford, Carl Hayden or have other positions already, Sam Spade. And if you are thinking about me the answer is No way in hell. :P

Granted it was more about PS's analysis then the Healthcare plan itself but I did comment on the "effects" of the bill as a way of showing where PS had a good analysis, so I was commenting about it indirectly. Am I not considered a Senator?

That comment you posted from PS was in response to a request for economic data from me? What he has given so far while important is too broad and too disconected from underlying factors to tell us where to go? I asked for Libor-OIS spread to see if Credit markets where tightening, and maybe the need for a direct loans to consumers and Businesses as a response, PS refused sighting he didn;t now what it is.

I then today asked for data on Consumer and Factory orders and he refuses, saying we aren't responding. I am responding god damnit, I can't introduce legislation without more specific details about the real prime economic movers like Factory orders, Consumer data, Housing and Exports. The stock market and even Unemployement is basically meaningless in addressing matters of policy. Clearly Purple State has a very limited knowledge of economics and if he is unwilling or unable to expand his knowledge on the subject I am afraid he will end up like the last two GM's, a mistake of an appointment. I wish we could have have two GM's let PS handle foriegn sh**t and give the other one to Sam Spade or somone who know economics handle the economy.

Bumping cause I added a furher response to the rest of a very pro-PS article.

I have a subconscious bias towards Purple State, isn't that obvious :P
He is to me as Obama is to Chris Matthews, if you will :P

He does have his flaws though, and I will make sure to bring them up in future articles. The point of the article was to remind Senators that they have a part in making the GM position useful.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: New GM Very Active, Yet Senators Take Little Notice
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 21, 2009, 09:33:43 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
New GM Very Active, Yet Senators Take Little Notice
By Vepres

When GM Purple State was sworn in, people from all sides of the political spectrum celebrated. For the first time in a long time, Atlasia would have an active GM. Yet, while Purple State has performed admirably thus far, few in the government seem to take any action on the news.

Take, for example, his recent report on the healthcare bill. Not one Senator commented on it despite the fact that it was one of the most important bills signed into law in the past few Senates.

Purple State said this in the news unit:

Quote
Not even a comment on health care, not to mention moves to amend or make it better. You guys need to keep up with these things. I can give you all the data in the world, but it wont mean anything if you don't respond.

Of course, it is election season, and so the focus is on the elections, but let's not lose sight of the fact that the government must respond to the GM news or else the position is useless.

Excuse me, and just what the hell do you call this post from the other day, whistling Dixie?
Obviously if any deputy GM would be needed, it's in the economic sector. ;)

How do the healthcare numbers look?

Well I being a cynical conservative doubt that it would run a surplus, at least initially. Other then that they seem at least somewhat reasonable. It would have a positive effect on wages and employement, and even GDP cause small Businesses will expand as you say so thats correct. It would also lead to the dropping of private Health Care plans and the bankruptcy of many small insurers as you say it does. I would say Good job.

And you wanted to do it for Foriegn policy? Told you :P. Needs a separate position. Unfortunately most of the "experts" either aren't registered in Atlasia like Beet, Ford, Carl Hayden or have other positions already, Sam Spade. And if you are thinking about me the answer is No way in hell. :P

Granted it was more about PS's analysis then the Healthcare plan itself but I did comment on the "effects" of the bill as a way of showing where PS had a good analysis, so I was commenting about it indirectly. Am I not considered a Senator?

That comment you posted from PS was in response to a request for economic data from me? What he has given so far while important is too broad and too disconected from underlying factors to tell us where to go? I asked for Libor-OIS spread to see if Credit markets where tightening, and maybe the need for a direct loans to consumers and Businesses as a response, PS refused sighting he didn;t now what it is.

I then today asked for data on Consumer and Factory orders and he refuses, saying we aren't responding. I am responding god damnit, I can't introduce legislation without more specific details about the real prime economic movers like Factory orders, Consumer data, Housing and Exports. The stock market and even Unemployement is basically meaningless in addressing matters of policy. Clearly Purple State has a very limited knowledge of economics and if he is unwilling or unable to expand his knowledge on the subject I am afraid he will end up like the last two GM's, a mistake of an appointment. I wish we could have have two GM's let PS handle foriegn sh**t and give the other one to Sam Spade or somone who know economics handle the economy.

Bumping cause I added a furher response to the rest of a very pro-PS article.

I have a subconscious bias towards Purple State, isn't that obvious :P
He is to me as Obama is to Chris Matthews, if you will :P

He does have his flaws though, and I will make sure to bring them up in future articles. The point of the article was to remind Senators that they have a part in making the GM position useful.

Its like a fruit seller has apples and oranges. I come by to pick up my orange and he bites my head off cause I don't buy the apple two, and no one else has bought it yet. I right now don't need an apple and just want the orange and get very pissed and threatened to tell his boss and have him fired.

I need more specific info before I can craft my legislation. I was planning on introducing a program to offer a few billion in Gov't loans, but I wanted to see the Libor-OIS spread to see if it was worth the expense.

PS tells me he doesn't know what the Libor-OIS spread is.

The Fruit seller tells me he doesn't know what an avacodo is when I ask for one

I then ask for Consumer data, Factory orders, and Housing numbers.

I asked the fruit Seller for the orange.

He then attacks me and the whole SEnate for not responding to his crusade against Chavez

The fruit Seller then gets pissed cause I don't just buy the apple he just put on the Shelf.

I then threatened to have him Impeached

I threatened the Fruit guy with telling his boss and getting him fired.



Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: New GM Very Active, Yet Senators Take Little Notice
Post by: Vepres on August 21, 2009, 11:25:52 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
New GM Very Active, Yet Senators Take Little Notice
By Vepres

When GM Purple State was sworn in, people from all sides of the political spectrum celebrated. For the first time in a long time, Atlasia would have an active GM. Yet, while Purple State has performed admirably thus far, few in the government seem to take any action on the news.

Take, for example, his recent report on the healthcare bill. Not one Senator commented on it despite the fact that it was one of the most important bills signed into law in the past few Senates.

Purple State said this in the news unit:

Quote
Not even a comment on health care, not to mention moves to amend or make it better. You guys need to keep up with these things. I can give you all the data in the world, but it wont mean anything if you don't respond.

Of course, it is election season, and so the focus is on the elections, but let's not lose sight of the fact that the government must respond to the GM news or else the position is useless.

Excuse me, and just what the hell do you call this post from the other day, whistling Dixie?
Obviously if any deputy GM would be needed, it's in the economic sector. ;)

How do the healthcare numbers look?

Well I being a cynical conservative doubt that it would run a surplus, at least initially. Other then that they seem at least somewhat reasonable. It would have a positive effect on wages and employement, and even GDP cause small Businesses will expand as you say so thats correct. It would also lead to the dropping of private Health Care plans and the bankruptcy of many small insurers as you say it does. I would say Good job.

And you wanted to do it for Foriegn policy? Told you :P. Needs a separate position. Unfortunately most of the "experts" either aren't registered in Atlasia like Beet, Ford, Carl Hayden or have other positions already, Sam Spade. And if you are thinking about me the answer is No way in hell. :P

Granted it was more about PS's analysis then the Healthcare plan itself but I did comment on the "effects" of the bill as a way of showing where PS had a good analysis, so I was commenting about it indirectly. Am I not considered a Senator?

That comment you posted from PS was in response to a request for economic data from me? What he has given so far while important is too broad and too disconected from underlying factors to tell us where to go? I asked for Libor-OIS spread to see if Credit markets where tightening, and maybe the need for a direct loans to consumers and Businesses as a response, PS refused sighting he didn;t now what it is.

I then today asked for data on Consumer and Factory orders and he refuses, saying we aren't responding. I am responding god damnit, I can't introduce legislation without more specific details about the real prime economic movers like Factory orders, Consumer data, Housing and Exports. The stock market and even Unemployement is basically meaningless in addressing matters of policy. Clearly Purple State has a very limited knowledge of economics and if he is unwilling or unable to expand his knowledge on the subject I am afraid he will end up like the last two GM's, a mistake of an appointment. I wish we could have have two GM's let PS handle foriegn sh**t and give the other one to Sam Spade or somone who know economics handle the economy.

Bumping cause I added a furher response to the rest of a very pro-PS article.

I have a subconscious bias towards Purple State, isn't that obvious :P
He is to me as Obama is to Chris Matthews, if you will :P

He does have his flaws though, and I will make sure to bring them up in future articles. The point of the article was to remind Senators that they have a part in making the GM position useful.

Its like a fruit seller has apples and oranges. I come by to pick up my orange and he bites my head off cause I don't buy the apple two, and no one else has bought it yet. I right now don't need an apple and just want the orange and get very pissed and threatened to tell his boss and have him fired.

I need more specific info before I can craft my legislation. I was planning on introducing a program to offer a few billion in Gov't loans, but I wanted to see the Libor-OIS spread to see if it was worth the expense.

PS tells me he doesn't know what the Libor-OIS spread is.

The Fruit seller tells me he doesn't know what an avacodo is when I ask for one

I then ask for Consumer data, Factory orders, and Housing numbers.

I asked the fruit Seller for the orange.

He then attacks me and the whole SEnate for not responding to his crusade against Chavez

The fruit Seller then gets pissed cause I don't just buy the apple he just put on the Shelf.

I then threatened to have him Impeached

I threatened the Fruit guy with telling his boss and getting him fired.



Interesting analogy I must say. Like I said, in the future I will be more even sided. It's just I get a tingle up my leg every time he speaks :P


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Projection
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 22, 2009, 07:33:16 AM
We can project that RowanBrandon will be elected to the Senate.

That makes this the current make up of the Senate:
()

Yellow - RPP
Light Blue - DA
Green - JCP

Four RPPers ?!?

Saddening results... :(


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Projection
Post by: Hash on August 22, 2009, 07:40:39 AM
We can project that RowanBrandon will be elected to the Senate.

That makes this the current make up of the Senate:
()

Yellow - RPP
Light Blue - DA
Green - JCP

Four RPPers ?!?

Saddening results... :(

Probably 5, in fact. Nothing surprising of course, the Big Khaki Machine has turned out massively and their preference flows are tightly controlled by the machine.

However, the recent records show that a magnificent STV election for one party is followed by a rout/mini-disaster/bad showing in the next STV election...


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Projection
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 22, 2009, 08:02:38 AM
I got three write-ins, that's awesome. :)


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Projection
Post by: Vepres on August 22, 2009, 10:07:30 AM
We can project that RowanBrandon will be elected to the Senate.

That makes this the current make up of the Senate:
()

Yellow - RPP
Light Blue - DA
Green - JCP

Four RPPers ?!?

Saddening results... :(

Probably 5, in fact. Nothing surprising of course, the Big Khaki Machine has turned out massively and their preference flows are tightly controlled by the machine.

However, the recent records show that a magnificent STV election for one party is followed by a rout/mini-disaster/bad showing in the next STV election...

Well, generally if one party does very well in a congressional election (in both Atlasia and real life) they usually lose seats in the next few elections because they peaked their support.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Another Projection
Post by: Vepres on August 22, 2009, 10:03:42 PM
We can now project that Fritz will be reelected.

That makes this the current make up of the Senate:
()

Yellow - RPP
Light Blue - DA
Green - JCP


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Projection
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 22, 2009, 10:06:58 PM
lol, How do you come to that projection? Fritz and I have an identical number of votes. How am I in doubt but he's not?

I'm not trying to suggest my election is a sure-win, I'm just saying that seems odd.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Projection
Post by: Vepres on August 22, 2009, 10:09:13 PM
lol, How do you come to that projection? Fritz and I have an identical number of votes. How am I in doubt but he's not?

I'm not trying to suggest my election is a sure-win, I'm just saying that seems odd.

Well, Angry Weasel's vote was invalidated(didn't notice that). I was very close to calling a victory for you, but Fritz seems to have more support outside the JCP. Trust me, literally one more first preference for you and you have it.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Projection
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 22, 2009, 10:13:05 PM
lol, How do you come to that projection? Fritz and I have an identical number of votes. How am I in doubt but he's not?

I'm not trying to suggest my election is a sure-win, I'm just saying that seems odd.

Well, Angry Weasel's vote was invalidated(didn't notice that). I was very close to calling a victory for you, but Fritz seems to have more support outside the JCP. Trust me, literally one more first preference for you and you have it.

Fair enough, that he does.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Projection
Post by: Vepres on August 22, 2009, 10:14:19 PM
lol, How do you come to that projection? Fritz and I have an identical number of votes. How am I in doubt but he's not?

I'm not trying to suggest my election is a sure-win, I'm just saying that seems odd.

Well, Angry Weasel's vote was invalidated(didn't notice that). I was very close to calling a victory for you, but Fritz seems to have more support outside the JCP. Trust me, literally one more first preference for you and you have it.

Fair enough, that he does.

I have very little doubt you'll win reelection, but you can never be too careful. Don't want another "Gore wins Florida" now do we?


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Projection
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 22, 2009, 10:15:00 PM
lol, How do you come to that projection? Fritz and I have an identical number of votes. How am I in doubt but he's not?

I'm not trying to suggest my election is a sure-win, I'm just saying that seems odd.

Well, Angry Weasel's vote was invalidated(didn't notice that). I was very close to calling a victory for you, but Fritz seems to have more support outside the JCP. Trust me, literally one more first preference for you and you have it.

Fair enough, that he does.

I have very little doubt you'll win reelection, but you can never be too careful. Don't want another "Gore wins Florida" now do we?

I never take my election for granted. The anti-Marokai sentiment is alive and well. :P


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Projection
Post by: ilikeverin on August 22, 2009, 10:47:35 PM
lol, How do you come to that projection? Fritz and I have an identical number of votes. How am I in doubt but he's not?

I'm not trying to suggest my election is a sure-win, I'm just saying that seems odd.

Well, Angry Weasel's vote was invalidated(didn't notice that). I was very close to calling a victory for you, but Fritz seems to have more support outside the JCP. Trust me, literally one more first preference for you and you have it.

Fair enough, that he does.

I have very little doubt you'll win reelection, but you can never be too careful. Don't want another "Gore wins Florida" now do we?

I never take my election for granted. The anti-Marokai sentiment is alive and well. :P

FWIW my ballot was more anti-Marokai-of-a-few-weeks-ago than Marokai-of-the-present-day.  I've noticed a serious abatement of your and Purple State's rivalry since I whined about it :)

(which isn't to say that I'm the cause of it)


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Projection
Post by: Purple State on August 22, 2009, 11:19:32 PM
Whoa, I leave for a day and I get assaulted with analogies. Calm yourself Yank. It's been less than a week since I got the job. I have so many pieces waiting in the wings and more demands than should be accommodated in a day. I could post all ten things I have ready to go tomorrow, but then where would we be the next day?

You will get your economic numbers, just as Vepres will get his education stats and everyone will get their employment info in due time.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Projection
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 23, 2009, 09:12:14 AM
Well, it looks that we will save ouselves from the debacle. The DA will probably be the most hurt by these results.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Projection
Post by: Hash on August 23, 2009, 09:16:19 AM
Well, it looks that we will save ouselves from the debacle. The DA will probably be the most hurt by these results.

Yeah, we don't have enough zombies.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Projection
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 23, 2009, 09:19:28 AM
Well, it looks that we will save ouselves from the debacle. The DA will probably be the most hurt by these results.

Yeah, we don't have enough zombies.

Also, according to Fritz's tracker, it seems that Rowanbrandon will be the only RPPer elected, so that DA could keep its two seats. Therefore, the change is not as dramatic as expected.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Projection
Post by: Purple State on August 23, 2009, 09:24:57 AM
Well, it looks that we will save ouselves from the debacle. The DA will probably be the most hurt by these results.

Yeah, we don't have enough zombies.

Also, according to Fritz's tracker, it seems that Rowanbrandon will be the only RPPer elected, so that DA could keep its two seats. Therefore, the change is not as dramatic as expected.

There is a long way to go. As of last count that is true, but afleitch received a bunch of votes last night and I believe the quota has also increased, meaning all the current counts are incorrect. There is also the questions of the LNF votes.

This will likely come down to Earl's totals, as there is also confusion on exactly how to divide the votes.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Projection
Post by: Vepres on August 23, 2009, 12:21:42 PM
Well, it looks that we will save ouselves from the debacle. The DA will probably be the most hurt by these results.

Yeah, we don't have enough zombies.

Also, according to Fritz's tracker, it seems that Rowanbrandon will be the only RPPer elected, so that DA could keep its two seats. Therefore, the change is not as dramatic as expected.

There is a long way to go. As of last count that is true, but afleitch received a bunch of votes last night and I believe the quota has also increased, meaning all the current counts are incorrect. There is also the questions of the LNF votes.

This will likely come down to Earl's totals, as there is also confusion on exactly how to divide the votes.

There will be a half dozen or so RPP voters today (IIRC), so SPC or Duke could get in.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Projection
Post by: Peter on August 23, 2009, 12:30:42 PM
There are quite a few liberal/left friendly voters still out there, so I think that it could get very close.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Projection
Post by: Vepres on August 23, 2009, 12:34:22 PM
*I should've said this earlier, but these are based on Fritz's/Peter's count, and thus there may be errors if Earl's count is different.

We can now project that Marokai will win another term.

That makes this the current makeup of the Senate:
()

Yellow - RPP
Light Blue - DA
Green - JCP


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Projection
Post by: Peter on August 23, 2009, 12:46:37 PM
The possibility of a Franzl election is now more likely than a Fritz election in my opinion.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Projection
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 23, 2009, 12:48:07 PM
So what are saying likelihood is now?

RowanBrandon
Marokai
SPC
Afleitch
Franzl
Fritz
Duke

?


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Projection
Post by: Vepres on August 23, 2009, 12:49:20 PM
Rowan
Marokai
Fritz
Franzl
SPC
afleitch
Duke
Jas

Franzl, afleitch, and SPC have essentially the same odds in my opinion.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Projection
Post by: Peter on August 23, 2009, 01:32:14 PM
Best guess:

Rowan
Marokai
Franzl
Fritz
Afleitch
SPC


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Projection
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 23, 2009, 03:50:33 PM
Ok, I asked a question in another topic, but I didn't get any answer. So, I try to see if I'll have more success here :

I'd like to ask a question. This is probably not the right topic for it, but since we don't really have a place for this sort of question I'll still try here.

Well, I'm certainly not an expert in voting systems, but this has always interested me, so that I tried to research about that and now I know the basics. But there is something I don't understand about the voting system used for this election.
The Single Transferable Vote is suppposed to be a proportionnal system, selecting the 5 people that represent better the electors. In this case, why the quota fixed to be elected is 1/6 of the total votes insteasd of 1/5 ? If you fix it at 1/6 where there are only 5 senators elected, the representativity of the elected will be just slowly higher to 5/6, whereas we could have a 100% one with an 1/5 of the votes. This clearly hurts proportionnality of the system and can be dangerous.
If there is a reason why things are so, I hope someone could explain it to me, because this issue worries me since sometimes now. I admit that I can be wrong and will accept any sort of explanation. Thanks a lot. :)


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: A New Projection
Post by: Vepres on August 23, 2009, 08:15:41 PM
We can project that afleitch will win reelection.

This is the current Senate:
()

Yellow - RPP
Light Blue - DA
Green - JCP


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: New Projection
Post by: Vepres on August 23, 2009, 10:59:32 PM
We can now project that Franzl will win reelection.

This is the makeup of the next Senate (unless Earl has a different count):
()

Yellow - RPP
Light Blue - DA
Green - JCP


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection insid
Post by: Purple State on August 23, 2009, 11:17:31 PM
What? For real? How did this happen? I'm away for a few hours and Franzl and afleitch both get re-elected? I hope you're not screwing with me Vepres.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection insid
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 23, 2009, 11:18:29 PM
What? For real? How did this happen? I'm away for a few hours and Franzl and afleitch both get re-elected? I hope you're not screwing with me Vepres.

We tried very hard to help make it happen, the RPP alternatives were deplorable. :P


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection insid
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 23, 2009, 11:19:28 PM
What? For real? How did this happen? I'm away for a few hours and Franzl and afleitch both get re-elected? I hope you're not screwing with me Vepres.

We tried very hard to help make it happen, the RPP alternatives were deplorable. :P

I think Duke is more in line with JCP views than either Franzl or afleitch.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: Lief 🗽 on August 23, 2009, 11:22:46 PM
I'll take the re-election of the four Senators who voted in favor of the two pieces of my legislative agenda I championed in the last session as a vote of confidence. :P

Congratulations to all four of you, and congratulations to Senator-elect RowanBrandon as well.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 23, 2009, 11:25:35 PM
Despite the fact that this obviously could have gone better, a solid showing (someone has to lose) we'll just get more members active for next time.  Still the RPP holds the most seats


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection insid
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 23, 2009, 11:28:08 PM
What? For real? How did this happen? I'm away for a few hours and Franzl and afleitch both get re-elected? I hope you're not screwing with me Vepres.

We tried very hard to help make it happen, the RPP alternatives were deplorable. :P

I think Duke is more in line with JCP views than either Franzl or afleitch.

SPC was more the one we were hoping to keep out, considering that he's a few sandwiches short of a picnic if you catch my drift.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 23, 2009, 11:29:50 PM
Marokai, there is no need to hate on SPC because his family can afford to have a picnic


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 23, 2009, 11:39:04 PM
Marokai, there is no need to hate on SPC because his family can afford to have a picnic

LOL You're terrible at dissing. :P


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: Vepres on August 23, 2009, 11:52:29 PM
I to write an analysis tomorrow.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 24, 2009, 08:04:49 AM
Despite the fact that this obviously could have gone better, a solid showing (someone has to lose) we'll just get more members active for next time.  Still the RPP holds the most seats

Our greatest chances to change that will be the next regional Senate elections, when we could manage to oust one of your three senators.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: MasterJedi on August 24, 2009, 08:06:09 AM
Despite the fact that this obviously could have gone better, a solid showing (someone has to lose) we'll just get more members active for next time.  Still the RPP holds the most seats

Our greatest chances to change that will be the next regional Senate elections, when we could manage to oust one of your three senators.

One of us could be removed, but it won't be by a JCP member thank God. :)


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 24, 2009, 08:08:13 AM
Despite the fact that this obviously could have gone better, a solid showing (someone has to lose) we'll just get more members active for next time.  Still the RPP holds the most seats

Our greatest chances to change that will be the next regional Senate elections, when we could manage to oust one of your three senators.

One of us could be removed, but it won't be by a JCP member thank God. :)

We'll see.. :P


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: MasterJedi on August 24, 2009, 08:10:35 AM
Despite the fact that this obviously could have gone better, a solid showing (someone has to lose) we'll just get more members active for next time.  Still the RPP holds the most seats

Our greatest chances to change that will be the next regional Senate elections, when we could manage to oust one of your three senators.

One of us could be removed, but it won't be by a JCP member thank God. :)

We'll see.. :P

Well I doubt they'll elect SewerSocialist against me and everyone else is either LNF or RPP and Fritz is in office. And are there even JCP members in the Mideast?


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: HappyWarrior on August 24, 2009, 08:19:01 AM
Despite the fact that this obviously could have gone better, a solid showing (someone has to lose) we'll just get more members active for next time.  Still the RPP holds the most seats

Our greatest chances to change that will be the next regional Senate elections, when we could manage to oust one of your three senators.

One of us could be removed, but it won't be by a JCP member thank God. :)

We'll see.. :P

Well I doubt they'll elect SewerSocialist against me and everyone else is either LNF or RPP and Fritz is in office. And are there even JCP members in the Mideast?

opebo? Lol and KyleGordon and badger.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection insid
Post by: Purple State on August 24, 2009, 09:02:52 AM
Despite the fact that this obviously could have gone better, a solid showing (someone has to lose) we'll just get more members active for next time.  Still the RPP holds the most seats

Our greatest chances to change that will be the next regional Senate elections, when we could manage to oust one of your three senators.

One of us could be removed, but it won't be by a JCP member thank God. :)

We'll see.. :P

Well I doubt they'll elect SewerSocialist against me and everyone else is either LNF or RPP and Fritz is in office. And are there even JCP members in the Mideast?

opebo? Lol and KyleGordon and badger.

Badger could probably beat Tmth. The Mideast will likely be the most vulnerable seat in October.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 24, 2009, 09:22:15 AM
We'll probably lose a regional seat, but if Smid runs our chances are great in the Northeast.  A few more recruits in the Pacific and we have a chance there too


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: HappyWarrior on August 24, 2009, 09:23:41 AM
We'll probably lose a regional seat, but if Smid runs our chances are great in the Northeast.  A few more recruits in the Pacific and we have a chance there too

Uhhhh how?  Hashemite has been a strong Senator and it isn't like the RPP is superpowerful in the region.  They have no reason to throw him out.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection insid
Post by: Purple State on August 24, 2009, 10:27:10 AM
We'll probably lose a regional seat, but if Smid runs our chances are great in the Northeast.  A few more recruits in the Pacific and we have a chance there too

Uhhhh how?  Hashemite has been a strong Senator and it isn't like the RPP is superpowerful in the region.  They have no reason to throw him out.

Not to mention, you would need more than a "few" recruits to make any substantive gains in the Pacific. Does this mean more inactive nobodies for the Pacific? What joy!


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 24, 2009, 10:43:49 AM
We'll probably lose a regional seat, but if Smid runs our chances are great in the Northeast.  A few more recruits in the Pacific and we have a chance there too

Uhhhh how?  Hashemite has been a strong Senator and it isn't like the RPP is superpowerful in the region.  They have no reason to throw him out.
Smid was the regional senator and is incredibly popular.  It would be moronic for the RPP to throw away what is a great oppurtunity.  We have nothing to lose by challenging Hashemite in the Northeast with Smid, we have to off-set a possible DA gain in the Mideast.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection insid
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 24, 2009, 11:11:27 AM
We'll probably lose a regional seat, but if Smid runs our chances are great in the Northeast.  A few more recruits in the Pacific and we have a chance there too

Uhhhh how?  Hashemite has been a strong Senator and it isn't like the RPP is superpowerful in the region.  They have no reason to throw him out.

Not to mention, you would need more than a "few" recruits to make any substantive gains in the Pacific. Does this mean more inactive nobodies for the Pacific? What joy!

Like Rosetta Stoned and phknrocket1k?


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection insid
Post by: Purple State on August 24, 2009, 11:20:11 AM
We'll probably lose a regional seat, but if Smid runs our chances are great in the Northeast.  A few more recruits in the Pacific and we have a chance there too

Uhhhh how?  Hashemite has been a strong Senator and it isn't like the RPP is superpowerful in the region.  They have no reason to throw him out.

Not to mention, you would need more than a "few" recruits to make any substantive gains in the Pacific. Does this mean more inactive nobodies for the Pacific? What joy!

Like Rosetta Stoned and phknrocket1k?

Is this the phknrocket1k than contributes or the one that goes crazy and trolls? As long as you recruit active members that contribute (as opposed to one- or two-time voters just to bolster your numbers) I am fine with it.

Also, bear in mind that most of the JCP zombies, will no longer active in Atlasia, used to be a big part in this game. Zombies that once were active and contributing are far better than random recruits like azmajic, ajc, FallenMorgan, etc. that have never been a part of the game and never plan to be.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: Ebowed on August 24, 2009, 11:28:32 AM
A few more recruits in the Pacific and we have a chance there too

Is this an admission of guilt? :)


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 24, 2009, 11:30:09 AM
That is your opinion, Purple State, and I must say I disagree. Just because someone used to be active here doesn't make them any better than someone who rarely posts here, if those former members don't ever post here except to vote.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection insid
Post by: Purple State on August 24, 2009, 11:46:32 AM
That is your opinion, Purple State, and I must say I disagree. Just because someone used to be active here doesn't make them any better than someone who rarely posts here, if those former members don't ever post here except to vote.

I can't imagine you disagree that there is something...unsavory...about recruiting random people to spam the forum to reach the required post count, register, vote and disappear. While having an army of older members ready at one's disposal is not a good thing, it does not involve getting people to join the forum for the sole purpose of voting for you.

To give an analogy, there is a big difference between driving apathetic citizens to the polling site to vote and trucking in people from outside to vote for you and then go back home.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection insid
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 24, 2009, 11:49:42 AM
That is your opinion, Purple State, and I must say I disagree. Just because someone used to be active here doesn't make them any better than someone who rarely posts here, if those former members don't ever post here except to vote.

I can't imagine you disagree that there is something...unsavory...about recruiting random people to spam the forum to reach the required post count, register, vote and disappear. While having an army of older members ready at one's disposal is not a good thing, it does not involve getting people to join the forum for the sole purpose of voting for you.

To give an analogy, there is a big difference between driving apathetic citizens to the polling site to vote and trucking in people from outside to vote for you and then go back home.

Unless there is some kind of conspiracy going on that I don't know about, no one is bringing people in from other sites. And all of our new members have been active in other parts of the forum, as well as making a few posts in Atlasia. I don't see how anyone could honestly think that having an army of people that know absolutely nothing about Atlasia is preferable to new people who show interest, unless it's blatant partisanship. I honestly believe it is pure envy. The same things were said when I came, and when people before me came, and really it's just stupid.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 24, 2009, 11:52:07 AM
A few more recruits in the Pacific and we have a chance there too

Is this an admission of guilt? :)
I have nothing to do with it still, I mean I'm starting to condone it more but I still don't recruit.  The only thing I did this whole cycle was spew hatred, promote my candidates, and PM a few people at the last minute


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection insid
Post by: Purple State on August 24, 2009, 11:59:41 AM
That is your opinion, Purple State, and I must say I disagree. Just because someone used to be active here doesn't make them any better than someone who rarely posts here, if those former members don't ever post here except to vote.

I can't imagine you disagree that there is something...unsavory...about recruiting random people to spam the forum to reach the required post count, register, vote and disappear. While having an army of older members ready at one's disposal is not a good thing, it does not involve getting people to join the forum for the sole purpose of voting for you.

To give an analogy, there is a big difference between driving apathetic citizens to the polling site to vote and trucking in people from outside to vote for you and then go back home.

Unless there is some kind of conspiracy going on that I don't know about, no one is bringing people in from other sites. And all of our new members have been active in other parts of the forum, as well as making a few posts in Atlasia. I don't see how anyone could honestly think that having an army of people that know absolutely nothing about Atlasia is preferable to new people who show interest, unless it's blatant partisanship. I honestly believe it is pure envy. The same things were said when I came, and when people before me came, and really it's just stupid.

Yes, and sometimes people stay and remain active, such as yourself, Vepres, big bad fab, Swedish Cheese, badger, Barnes, etc.

However, most active members are not recruited simply to win an election. Most times, what brings in true and committed members just takes them wandering into the boards. So far the purpose of these recruits seems pretty clear. You aren't looking for active new citizens; you are looking for a quick way to win in a regional election.

I've yet to figure out if you are simply being lied to, but we will see who is vindicated at the end of this. Like my 7 vote prediction, I am skeptical (yet, hopeful) that I will be proven wrong and that the RPP really is looking to keep these new recruits excited, interested and active in the game.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection insid
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 24, 2009, 12:00:50 PM
That is your opinion, Purple State, and I must say I disagree. Just because someone used to be active here doesn't make them any better than someone who rarely posts here, if those former members don't ever post here except to vote.

I can't imagine you disagree that there is something...unsavory...about recruiting random people to spam the forum to reach the required post count, register, vote and disappear. While having an army of older members ready at one's disposal is not a good thing, it does not involve getting people to join the forum for the sole purpose of voting for you.

To give an analogy, there is a big difference between driving apathetic citizens to the polling site to vote and trucking in people from outside to vote for you and then go back home.

Unless there is some kind of conspiracy going on that I don't know about, no one is bringing people in from other sites. And all of our new members have been active in other parts of the forum, as well as making a few posts in Atlasia. I don't see how anyone could honestly think that having an army of people that know absolutely nothing about Atlasia is preferable to new people who show interest, unless it's blatant partisanship. I honestly believe it is pure envy. The same things were said when I came, and when people before me came, and really it's just stupid.


However, most active members are not recruited simply to win an election. Most times, what brings in true and committed members just takes them wandering into the boards.

What makes you think that?


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection insid
Post by: Purple State on August 24, 2009, 12:01:42 PM
That is your opinion, Purple State, and I must say I disagree. Just because someone used to be active here doesn't make them any better than someone who rarely posts here, if those former members don't ever post here except to vote.

I can't imagine you disagree that there is something...unsavory...about recruiting random people to spam the forum to reach the required post count, register, vote and disappear. While having an army of older members ready at one's disposal is not a good thing, it does not involve getting people to join the forum for the sole purpose of voting for you.

To give an analogy, there is a big difference between driving apathetic citizens to the polling site to vote and trucking in people from outside to vote for you and then go back home.

Unless there is some kind of conspiracy going on that I don't know about, no one is bringing people in from other sites. And all of our new members have been active in other parts of the forum, as well as making a few posts in Atlasia. I don't see how anyone could honestly think that having an army of people that know absolutely nothing about Atlasia is preferable to new people who show interest, unless it's blatant partisanship. I honestly believe it is pure envy. The same things were said when I came, and when people before me came, and really it's just stupid.


However, most active members are not recruited simply to win an election. Most times, what brings in true and committed members just takes them wandering into the boards.

What makes you think that?


My time here and my experiences thus far.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection insid
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 24, 2009, 12:02:32 PM
That is your opinion, Purple State, and I must say I disagree. Just because someone used to be active here doesn't make them any better than someone who rarely posts here, if those former members don't ever post here except to vote.

I can't imagine you disagree that there is something...unsavory...about recruiting random people to spam the forum to reach the required post count, register, vote and disappear. While having an army of older members ready at one's disposal is not a good thing, it does not involve getting people to join the forum for the sole purpose of voting for you.

To give an analogy, there is a big difference between driving apathetic citizens to the polling site to vote and trucking in people from outside to vote for you and then go back home.

Unless there is some kind of conspiracy going on that I don't know about, no one is bringing people in from other sites. And all of our new members have been active in other parts of the forum, as well as making a few posts in Atlasia. I don't see how anyone could honestly think that having an army of people that know absolutely nothing about Atlasia is preferable to new people who show interest, unless it's blatant partisanship. I honestly believe it is pure envy. The same things were said when I came, and when people before me came, and really it's just stupid.


However, most active members are not recruited simply to win an election. Most times, what brings in true and committed members just takes them wandering into the boards.

What makes you think that?


My time here and my experiences thus far.

I can only speak for myself, but I would have never just wandered in to this board.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection insid
Post by: Purple State on August 24, 2009, 12:06:06 PM
That is your opinion, Purple State, and I must say I disagree. Just because someone used to be active here doesn't make them any better than someone who rarely posts here, if those former members don't ever post here except to vote.

I can't imagine you disagree that there is something...unsavory...about recruiting random people to spam the forum to reach the required post count, register, vote and disappear. While having an army of older members ready at one's disposal is not a good thing, it does not involve getting people to join the forum for the sole purpose of voting for you.

To give an analogy, there is a big difference between driving apathetic citizens to the polling site to vote and trucking in people from outside to vote for you and then go back home.

Unless there is some kind of conspiracy going on that I don't know about, no one is bringing people in from other sites. And all of our new members have been active in other parts of the forum, as well as making a few posts in Atlasia. I don't see how anyone could honestly think that having an army of people that know absolutely nothing about Atlasia is preferable to new people who show interest, unless it's blatant partisanship. I honestly believe it is pure envy. The same things were said when I came, and when people before me came, and really it's just stupid.


However, most active members are not recruited simply to win an election. Most times, what brings in true and committed members just takes them wandering into the boards.

What makes you think that?


My time here and my experiences thus far.

I can only speak for myself, but I would have never just wandered in to this board.


I did after months of wondering what it was. And was it not you who said you had been following the board for weeks and just decided to register after following it for some time?

The people that stay are the ones that don't believe their sole purpose is as a simple vote in a machine. It is the people like Vepres and Barnes, that want to do more than just serve as partisan hacks, that keep the game going.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection insid
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 24, 2009, 12:08:40 PM
That is your opinion, Purple State, and I must say I disagree. Just because someone used to be active here doesn't make them any better than someone who rarely posts here, if those former members don't ever post here except to vote.

I can't imagine you disagree that there is something...unsavory...about recruiting random people to spam the forum to reach the required post count, register, vote and disappear. While having an army of older members ready at one's disposal is not a good thing, it does not involve getting people to join the forum for the sole purpose of voting for you.

To give an analogy, there is a big difference between driving apathetic citizens to the polling site to vote and trucking in people from outside to vote for you and then go back home.

Unless there is some kind of conspiracy going on that I don't know about, no one is bringing people in from other sites. And all of our new members have been active in other parts of the forum, as well as making a few posts in Atlasia. I don't see how anyone could honestly think that having an army of people that know absolutely nothing about Atlasia is preferable to new people who show interest, unless it's blatant partisanship. I honestly believe it is pure envy. The same things were said when I came, and when people before me came, and really it's just stupid.


However, most active members are not recruited simply to win an election. Most times, what brings in true and committed members just takes them wandering into the boards.

What makes you think that?


My time here and my experiences thus far.

I can only speak for myself, but I would have never just wandered in to this board.


I did after months of wondering what it was. And was it not you who said you had been following the board for weeks and just decided to register after following it for some time?

The people that stay are the ones that don't believe their sole purpose is as a simple vote in a machine. It is the people like Vepres and Barnes, that want to do more than just serve as partisan hacks, that keep the game going.

Well I don't think the JCPers are "people that stay", at least with newbies they may decide to get interested. And I signed up for the forum in April after following for months and only made like 12 posts until July. Once I got started here I got more active. I think that model can and will be replicated. New RPPers are certainly active across the forum regardless, so I think if you do want to attack them, you must be fair and attack the JCP voters that don't come to this board.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection insid
Post by: Purple State on August 24, 2009, 12:13:01 PM
Well I don't think the JCPers are "people that stay", at least with newbies they may decide to get interested. And I signed up for the forum in April after following for months and only made like 12 posts until July. Once I got started here I got more active. I think that model can and will be replicated. New RPPers are certainly active across the forum regardless, so I think if you do want to attack them, you must be fair and attack the JCP voters that don't come to this board.

I'm not attacking the new members you bring in. I'm attacking the tactics you use, tactics that the JCP does not use. The JCP doesn't bring in newbies and instruct them to vote how they want.

You prove my point. You came and stayed because you were actively interested, not because you were asked to come and vote a certain way.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection insid
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 24, 2009, 12:15:29 PM
Well I don't think the JCPers are "people that stay", at least with newbies they may decide to get interested. And I signed up for the forum in April after following for months and only made like 12 posts until July. Once I got started here I got more active. I think that model can and will be replicated. New RPPers are certainly active across the forum regardless, so I think if you do want to attack them, you must be fair and attack the JCP voters that don't come to this board.

I'm not attacking the new members you bring in. I'm attacking the tactics you use, tactics that the JCP does not use. The JCP doesn't bring in newbies and instruct them to vote how they want.

You prove my point. You came and stayed because you were actively interested, not because you were asked to come and vote a certain way.

I don't bring anything in, except my friend NiK and FallenMorgan, note that a couple newbies posted here before they registered asking what it's about and how to get involved.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 24, 2009, 12:19:23 PM
We'll probably lose a regional seat, but if Smid runs our chances are great in the Northeast.  A few more recruits in the Pacific and we have a chance there too

Hashemite is unbeatable.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 24, 2009, 12:20:11 PM
We'll probably lose a regional seat, but if Smid runs our chances are great in the Northeast.  A few more recruits in the Pacific and we have a chance there too

Hashemite is unbeatable.

No one is unbeatable. ;)


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: Meeker on August 24, 2009, 01:06:50 PM
If the RPP seriously thinks they have a shot in the Pacific they need to take another look at this weekend's results.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: Lief 🗽 on August 24, 2009, 03:17:26 PM
A few more recruits in the Pacific and we have a chance there too

hahaha


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 24, 2009, 03:51:28 PM
We'll probably lose a regional seat, but if Smid runs our chances are great in the Northeast.  A few more recruits in the Pacific and we have a chance there too

Hashemite is unbeatable.
You really need to wake up and realize that you no nothing of Atlasia.  Do you have any idea who popular Smid was as a senator?


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 24, 2009, 04:09:45 PM
We'll probably lose a regional seat, but if Smid runs our chances are great in the Northeast.  A few more recruits in the Pacific and we have a chance there too

Interesting how you just casually say "a few more recruits" as if recruiting is nothing more than a game to you, and voters your pawns. You make it sound like you view recruiting as a sport or something.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: Vepres on August 24, 2009, 06:13:15 PM
I plan on having a detailed analysis of the election out tonight or tomorrow.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection insid
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 24, 2009, 07:09:37 PM
Well I don't think the JCPers are "people that stay", at least with newbies they may decide to get interested. And I signed up for the forum in April after following for months and only made like 12 posts until July. Once I got started here I got more active. I think that model can and will be replicated. New RPPers are certainly active across the forum regardless, so I think if you do want to attack them, you must be fair and attack the JCP voters that don't come to this board.

I'm not attacking the new members you bring in. I'm attacking the tactics you use, tactics that the JCP does not use. The JCP doesn't bring in newbies and instruct them to vote how they want.

You prove my point. You came and stayed because you were actively interested, not because you were asked to come and vote a certain way.

Yes but if I hadn't PMed him about Atlasia, would he have still came, maybe, maybe not. As I told Marokai last night I never would have joined Atlasia if PiT hadn't PMed me about it back in late November/Early December. Lately I find myself wishing I just deleted the damn thing, I almost did.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: Rowan on August 24, 2009, 07:31:32 PM
Yeah, I would have never come either if I had not been recruited.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection insid
Post by: Purple State on August 24, 2009, 07:44:49 PM
Well I don't think the JCPers are "people that stay", at least with newbies they may decide to get interested. And I signed up for the forum in April after following for months and only made like 12 posts until July. Once I got started here I got more active. I think that model can and will be replicated. New RPPers are certainly active across the forum regardless, so I think if you do want to attack them, you must be fair and attack the JCP voters that don't come to this board.

I'm not attacking the new members you bring in. I'm attacking the tactics you use, tactics that the JCP does not use. The JCP doesn't bring in newbies and instruct them to vote how they want.

You prove my point. You came and stayed because you were actively interested, not because you were asked to come and vote a certain way.

Yes but if I hadn't PMed him about Atlasia, would he have still came, maybe, maybe not. As I told Marokai last night I never would have joined Atlasia if PiT hadn't PMed me about it back in late November/Early December. Lately I find myself wishing I just deleted the damn thing, I almost did.

There are two questions from all of this: 1) how many worthless recruits are worth one active recruit and 2) can this lead to laxer and laxer standards.

The first question is up for debate, but the second question must be answered yes. Once recruiting begins to dip into outside the forum for votes, it is opening a door that may not close again. I am aware that it was only once or twice that this happened, but it means it could very well happen again now.

Recruiting active members of the forum with 500+ posts is different than recruiting new members that rapidly post to reach the limit and then join here.

As to your last comment, you regret it because of this questioning of new recruits, but BK considers leaving because no one accepts this questioning. Obviously there needs to be a balance. Obviously all parties have their flaws and all members have their weaknesses. It's life boiled down into a "No Accountability Zone" over the internet. Just have to make the best of it.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection insid
Post by: Vepres on August 24, 2009, 07:47:19 PM
Well I don't think the JCPers are "people that stay", at least with newbies they may decide to get interested. And I signed up for the forum in April after following for months and only made like 12 posts until July. Once I got started here I got more active. I think that model can and will be replicated. New RPPers are certainly active across the forum regardless, so I think if you do want to attack them, you must be fair and attack the JCP voters that don't come to this board.

I'm not attacking the new members you bring in. I'm attacking the tactics you use, tactics that the JCP does not use. The JCP doesn't bring in newbies and instruct them to vote how they want.

You prove my point. You came and stayed because you were actively interested, not because you were asked to come and vote a certain way.

Yes but if I hadn't PMed him about Atlasia, would he have still came, maybe, maybe not. As I told Marokai last night I never would have joined Atlasia if PiT hadn't PMed me about it back in late November/Early December. Lately I find myself wishing I just deleted the damn thing, I almost did.

There are two questions from all of this: 1) how many worthless recruits are worth one active recruit and 2) can this lead to laxer and laxer standards.

The first question is up for debate, but the second question must be answered yes. Once recruiting begins to dip into outside the forum for votes, it is opening a door that may not close again. I am aware that it was only once or twice that this happened, but it means it could very well happen again now.

Recruiting active members of the forum with 500+ posts is different than recruiting new members that rapidly post to reach the limit and then join here.

As to your last comment, you regret it because of this questioning of new recruits, but BK considers leaving because no one accepts this questioning. Obviously there needs to be a balance. Obviously all parties have their flaws and all members have their weaknesses. It's life boiled down into a "No Accountability Zone" over the internet. Just have to make the best of it.

I like PiT's approach (he recruited me), ask them if they're interested in joining, but never tell them how to vote.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection insid
Post by: Purple State on August 24, 2009, 07:49:47 PM
Well I don't think the JCPers are "people that stay", at least with newbies they may decide to get interested. And I signed up for the forum in April after following for months and only made like 12 posts until July. Once I got started here I got more active. I think that model can and will be replicated. New RPPers are certainly active across the forum regardless, so I think if you do want to attack them, you must be fair and attack the JCP voters that don't come to this board.

I'm not attacking the new members you bring in. I'm attacking the tactics you use, tactics that the JCP does not use. The JCP doesn't bring in newbies and instruct them to vote how they want.

You prove my point. You came and stayed because you were actively interested, not because you were asked to come and vote a certain way.

Yes but if I hadn't PMed him about Atlasia, would he have still came, maybe, maybe not. As I told Marokai last night I never would have joined Atlasia if PiT hadn't PMed me about it back in late November/Early December. Lately I find myself wishing I just deleted the damn thing, I almost did.

There are two questions from all of this: 1) how many worthless recruits are worth one active recruit and 2) can this lead to laxer and laxer standards.

The first question is up for debate, but the second question must be answered yes. Once recruiting begins to dip into outside the forum for votes, it is opening a door that may not close again. I am aware that it was only once or twice that this happened, but it means it could very well happen again now.

Recruiting active members of the forum with 500+ posts is different than recruiting new members that rapidly post to reach the limit and then join here.

As to your last comment, you regret it because of this questioning of new recruits, but BK considers leaving because no one accepts this questioning. Obviously there needs to be a balance. Obviously all parties have their flaws and all members have their weaknesses. It's life boiled down into a "No Accountability Zone" over the internet. Just have to make the best of it.

I like PiT's approach (he recruited me), ask them if they're interested in joining, but never tell them how to vote.

That works, but I also think there needs to be a higher post requirement. Closer to 300 maybe. New members are great for this game (you make a prime example of that), but you should be somewhat familiar with the forum before you jump right in. I'm not sure 50 is high enough and it clearly hasn't worked any better than 15.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection insid
Post by: Vepres on August 24, 2009, 07:55:38 PM
Well I don't think the JCPers are "people that stay", at least with newbies they may decide to get interested. And I signed up for the forum in April after following for months and only made like 12 posts until July. Once I got started here I got more active. I think that model can and will be replicated. New RPPers are certainly active across the forum regardless, so I think if you do want to attack them, you must be fair and attack the JCP voters that don't come to this board.

I'm not attacking the new members you bring in. I'm attacking the tactics you use, tactics that the JCP does not use. The JCP doesn't bring in newbies and instruct them to vote how they want.

You prove my point. You came and stayed because you were actively interested, not because you were asked to come and vote a certain way.

Yes but if I hadn't PMed him about Atlasia, would he have still came, maybe, maybe not. As I told Marokai last night I never would have joined Atlasia if PiT hadn't PMed me about it back in late November/Early December. Lately I find myself wishing I just deleted the damn thing, I almost did.

There are two questions from all of this: 1) how many worthless recruits are worth one active recruit and 2) can this lead to laxer and laxer standards.

The first question is up for debate, but the second question must be answered yes. Once recruiting begins to dip into outside the forum for votes, it is opening a door that may not close again. I am aware that it was only once or twice that this happened, but it means it could very well happen again now.

Recruiting active members of the forum with 500+ posts is different than recruiting new members that rapidly post to reach the limit and then join here.

As to your last comment, you regret it because of this questioning of new recruits, but BK considers leaving because no one accepts this questioning. Obviously there needs to be a balance. Obviously all parties have their flaws and all members have their weaknesses. It's life boiled down into a "No Accountability Zone" over the internet. Just have to make the best of it.

I like PiT's approach (he recruited me), ask them if they're interested in joining, but never tell them how to vote.

That works, but I also think there needs to be a higher post requirement. Closer to 300 maybe. New members are great for this game (you make a prime example of that), but you should be somewhat familiar with the forum before you jump right in. I'm not sure 50 is high enough and it clearly hasn't worked any better than 15.

I joined with only ~75 posts, but there was that fiasco early on with the Midwest Senate seat.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: bgwah on August 24, 2009, 11:42:13 PM
Looks like four people in the JCP gave their first preference to candidates of other parties. Can the DA or RPP say that?

Yeah, some "Zombie-Drone" Party.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 24, 2009, 11:54:56 PM
Looks like four people in the JCP gave their first preference to candidates of other parties. Can the DA or RPP say that?

Yeah, some "Zombie-Drone" Party.
Four?  Obviously Realistic, he always does, but not anyone of signifigance I'm guessing


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: SPC on August 24, 2009, 11:55:58 PM
Looks like four people in the JCP gave their first preference to candidates of other parties. Can the DA or RPP say that?

Yeah, some "Zombie-Drone" Party.

Yeah, that couldn't have easily been a strategic decision to ensure my defeat. ::)


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 24, 2009, 11:56:34 PM
Looks like four people in the JCP gave their first preference to candidates of other parties. Can the DA or RPP say that?

Yeah, some "Zombie-Drone" Party.
Four?  Obviously Realistic, he always does, but not anyone of signifigance I'm guessing

Meeker and Lunar as well, I'm not sure who the other one is.

Looks like four people in the JCP gave their first preference to candidates of other parties. Can the DA or RPP say that?

Yeah, some "Zombie-Drone" Party.

Yeah, that couldn't have easily been a strategic decision to ensure my defeat. ::)

Not as much as you'd think. :P


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 24, 2009, 11:57:29 PM
Didn't think the strategic angle, hell if it was between Fritz and Franzl for that last spot, I would have had RPPers pref Franzl first too


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: Ebowed on August 24, 2009, 11:58:29 PM
Didn't think the strategic angle, hell if it was between Fritz and Franzl for that last spot, I would have had RPPers pref Franzl first too

Aren't you supposed to be some sort of political mastermind? ;)


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Franzl will win reelection, final Senate projection inside!
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 25, 2009, 12:01:58 AM
Didn't think the strategic angle, hell if it was between Fritz and Franzl for that last spot, I would have had RPPers pref Franzl first too

Aren't you supposed to be some sort of political mastermind? ;)
I can be, but I'm not a math person :P  But my scenario was hypothetical which is why it didn't happen


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Change in RPP Leadership
Post by: Vepres on August 27, 2009, 10:43:00 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Duke Replaces DWTL as RPP Chairman, Sen. Tmthforu94 second Vice-Chair
By Vepres

Right before the August 2009 midterm elections, the RPP was sure it was headed towards a new era of right-wing government. Indeed, they were the only one of the four major parties to run three candidates (RowanBrandon, SPC, AHDuke) in the at-large Senate elections. However, despite an early surge of support for Rowan, SPC and Duke fell short of the quota, thus netting the RPP only one seat.

This was a crushing blow. The party had expected to win two seats, and possibly a third, ushering in the first truly right-wing Senate in a long time. Despite a disappointing election, many were criticizing the RPP for recruiting zombies. Indeed, the RPP had recruited many new members in August, but it wasn't enough get them that second Senate seat.

To make matters worse, Ben Constine, a moderate member of the RPP, left the party for the DA shortly after the election. This was not good news for the party. About four days later, another high profile moderate RPPer, Vepres, left the party for the DA. The RPP leadership had accused him of being an apologist, a political opportunist, which is why Vepres left the party for the more moderate DA.

Many believed that the outspoken RPP chairman, Downwithdaleft, was partially to blame for the parties under performance. Under pressure, and fearing the long term prospects of his party, Downwithdaleft resigned as chair and appointed AHDuke, one of the founders of the party to replace him.

Many are hopeful. Duke has a lower profile, and isn't as aggressive towards the other parties. In his acceptance speech, he said:

Quote
But today we stand at a crossroads in the RPP. We have expanded a great deal in the past few months. We have made great strides in national recognition. Yet, we find ourselves dissatisfied. We did not win the two senate seats we expected to win. We have lost several high profile members. Neither of these sit well with me. Also, there are several scandals that are being thrown at the RPP, and as Chairman, I pledge to all Atlasians that if any illegal or otherwise shady activity that is unfair to the game is occurring in recruiting, I will make sure to stop it.

...I cannot say that my style of leadership will be anywhere near the style DWTL used, but I hope all members of the RPP, from the oldest to the newest, feel comfortable coming to me with any problems or concerns they have with the party, as well as ideas that they feel could better the party.

The new chairman's first test will be this October, when the party fields a candidate against President Lief and when it will attempt to hold it's three regional seats and possibly gain another.



Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: DWTL Resigns as RPP Chair, Appoints Duke as Successor
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 27, 2009, 10:44:59 PM
All good in that story. I might write a little rant on the topic later on myself.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: DWTL Resigns as RPP Chair, Appoints Duke as Successor
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 27, 2009, 10:46:05 PM
You forgot to mention that this is the second national election in a row that we would've won had all of our votes counted. :P


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: DWTL Resigns as RPP Chair, Appoints Duke as Successor
Post by: Vepres on August 27, 2009, 10:47:13 PM
All good in that story. I might write a little rant on the topic later on myself.

I tried to stay unbiased given recent event. I hope I succeeded.



Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: DWTL Resigns as RPP Chair, Appoints Duke as Successor
Post by: Purple State on August 28, 2009, 12:08:46 AM
You forgot to mention that this is the second national election in a row that we would've won had all of our votes counted. :P

Of course, that is why we have laws governing registration dates here. Does it mean anything that seemingly no matter how many people the RPP recruits, it just can't seem to get over the hump?


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: DWTL Resigns as RPP Chair, Appoints Duke as Successor
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 28, 2009, 12:09:15 AM
I wasn't aware that appointment was a method set out in the bylaws. You learn something new every day.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: DWTL Resigns as RPP Chair, Appoints Duke as Successor
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 28, 2009, 12:24:06 AM
I wasn't aware that appointment was a method set out in the bylaws. You learn something new every day.

No, I called an emergency convention. We voted for this. We prefer our officeholders not chair the party, so PiT will stay on as vice-chair.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: DWTL Resigns as RPP Chair, Appoints Duke as Successor
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 28, 2009, 12:40:56 AM
It would be nice if this wasn't done behind closed doors, for the sake of the RPP members without private forum access.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: DWTL Resigns as RPP Chair, Appoints Duke as Successor
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 28, 2009, 12:42:37 AM
It would be nice if this wasn't done behind closed doors, for the sake of the RPP members without private forum access.

Why?


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: DWTL Resigns as RPP Chair, Appoints Duke as Successor
Post by: Purple State on August 28, 2009, 12:43:10 AM
It would be nice if this wasn't done behind closed doors, for the sake of the RPP members without private forum access.

Why?

Something about transparency in politics just seems so... right.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: DWTL Resigns as RPP Chair, Appoints Duke as Successor
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 28, 2009, 12:44:46 AM
Shadowy operating is nothing new for the RPP.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: DWTL Resigns as RPP Chair, Appoints Duke as Successor
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 28, 2009, 12:45:07 AM
It would be nice if this wasn't done behind closed doors, for the sake of the RPP members without private forum access.

Why?

Something about transparency in politics just seems so... right.

In government... yes. Intra-party- no way.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: DWTL Resigns as RPP Chair, Appoints Duke as Successor
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 28, 2009, 12:46:15 AM
As I recall, your Vice-Chair-designate didn't know there was a private forum until I told him. Decision-making in the RPP is reserved for a small clique.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: DWTL Resigns as RPP Chair, Appoints Duke as Successor
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on August 28, 2009, 12:53:50 AM
There is no need to go through a back and forth, Hamilton.

While the RPP board was once very exclusive, it has now been opened up to all members who wish to participate on it. This party can reform, so it would be nice to be given a chance to do so. Of course, I don't expect it.

As for the JCP guys talking about transparency, it's, well, a complete joke. They answer to bgwah just as much as we answered to DWTL, but there isn't a point to pointing fingers. Hamilton, you aren't doing yourself any favors by arguing in circles.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: DWTL Resigns as RPP Chair, Appoints Duke as Successor
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on August 28, 2009, 12:56:46 AM
As I recall, your Vice-Chair-designate didn't know there was a private forum until I told him. Decision-making in the RPP is reserved for a small clique.

The reason for that was because of your buddy Ogis, had already gotten in and threatened to spam us. He had just been banned again and then tumuforu showed up. We thought he was another incarnation of Ogis because he was arriving with all these newer, suspicious members. That's why we didn't open the doors to him immediately. None of us want to be spammed.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: DWTL Resigns as RPP Chair, Appoints Duke as Successor
Post by: bgwah on August 28, 2009, 01:43:33 AM
As for the JCP guys talking about transparency, it's, well, a complete joke. They answer to bgwah just as much as we answered to DWTL...

Not really...


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: DWTL Resigns as RPP Chair, Appoints Duke as Successor
Post by: Peter on August 28, 2009, 04:07:39 AM
You forgot to mention that this is the second national election in a row that we would've won had all of our votes counted. :P
Actually thats not true. Even if you count the azmagic and ajc votes, and even if you discount the Einzige vote as well, you still end up with the same characters elected as we do now.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: DWTL Resigns as RPP Chair, Appoints Duke as Successor
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 28, 2009, 06:52:28 AM
RPP can only go better without DWTL.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: DWTL Resigns as RPP Chair, Appoints Duke as Successor
Post by: Purple State on August 28, 2009, 09:52:06 AM
RPP can only go better without DWTL.

I'll believe it when I see it, but label me a skeptic until then. I can't recall a period when the RPP has done better without DWTL.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: DWTL Resigns as RPP Chair, Appoints Duke as Successor
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 28, 2009, 10:33:52 AM
You forgot to mention that this is the second national election in a row that we would've won had all of our votes counted. :P
Actually thats not true. Even if you count the azmagic and ajc votes, and even if you discount the Einzige vote as well, you still end up with the same characters elected as we do now.

No. Fezzy's.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: DWTL Resigns as RPP Chair, Appoints Duke as Successor
Post by: Countess Anya of the North Parish on August 28, 2009, 01:56:35 PM
I heard a rumor of some people wanting to leave the RPP and form a new party.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: DWTL Resigns as RPP Chair, Appoints Duke as Successor
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 28, 2009, 03:51:17 PM
RPP can only go better without DWTL.

I'll believe it when I see it, but label me a skeptic until then. I can't recall a period when the RPP has done better without DWTL.
Actually during my abscene we saw the only real downturn of the RPP.  Either way I am confident Duke will do the same things I did as chair but for some reason it makes some people happy so I don't care


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP
Post by: Vepres on August 29, 2009, 12:29:23 AM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Two More Leave the RPP
By Vepres

The departure of Midwest Lt. Governor Vepres and Ben Constine from the RPP was a blow to the party, though certainly not a dramatic game changer as both were relatively moderate. Today, however, two members, Senator Tmthforu94 and Senator-elect RowanBrandon, have followed Vepres' and Ben's lead and left the RPP for the DA. PiT briefly joined them, but then decided to stay in the party.

Both Rowan and Tmthforu94 stated that there reason for leaving was the oligarchic rule of a few members. Apparently they didn't feel like they had enough voice and that the party was far to aggressive towards the other side.

The Senate is now made up of 5 DA members, 2 RPP members, and 3 JCP members. Is this a speed bump on the RPP's path, or is it the beginning of the end for the first strong right-wing party in many years? Only time will tell.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 30, 2009, 07:54:04 AM
Formidable news. :)
Not surprising considering RPP's stances and how it was controlled by DWTL and co... Hoping that grassroots will follow theses two proud Senators.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 30, 2009, 08:42:02 AM
Formidable news. :)
Not surprising considering RPP's stances and how it was controlled by DWTL and co... Hoping that grassroots will follow theses two proud Senators.
Good job idiot, in case you didn't notice Tmth is back


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 30, 2009, 08:46:55 AM
Formidable news. :)
Not surprising considering RPP's stances and how it was controlled by DWTL and co... Hoping that grassroots will follow theses two proud Senators.
Good job idiot, in case you didn't notice Tmth is back

Hope it will be enough, because RPP is still going down...


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 30, 2009, 09:00:18 AM
Yeah the RPP is going down because some guy no one ever heard of said so!  Better book because I think Antonio is one of the most releveant, respected, and knowing of all Atlasians.

Let me know when someone who isn't a selfish attention whore leaves the party (well I guess Ben isn't that but I can see why Ben left)


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Vepres on August 30, 2009, 09:04:40 AM
Let me know when someone who isn't a selfish attention whore leaves the party

()


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 30, 2009, 09:07:31 AM
Do I need to bring up the quote when you just stated your criticism of SPC caused people other than yourself to leave the party?  Hell, even RB said that had nothing to do with it.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 30, 2009, 09:08:29 AM
Yeah the RPP is going down because some guy no one ever heard of said so!  Better book because I think Antonio is one of the most releveant, respected, and knowing of all Atlasians.

Let me know when someone who isn't a selfish attention whore leaves the party (well I guess Ben isn't that but I can see why Ben left)

I know that you use to be an *sshole with anyone who says something you don't agree with or makes something that doesn't pleas you, but all this hatred against those who left ( all are attention whores, of course ! :P ) make me think you're less optimistic that you want us to believe.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 30, 2009, 11:00:13 AM
I'm actually incredibly optimistic, we will win the presidential race, its not like the voters that defected are going to be voting for Lief over our candidate


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Vepres on August 30, 2009, 11:02:12 AM
Do I need to bring up the quote when you just stated your criticism of SPC caused people other than yourself to leave the party?  Hell, even RB said that had nothing to do with it.

I didn't think that in and of itself caused it. It did cause me to leave, and soon after I did, people like Tmthforu were PMing me saying they were thinking of leaving. That statement of mine was poorly phrased, and I was just surprised at all the intraparty conflict it caused which lead to my leaving the party. Now, as for Tmth and Rowan, that didn't cause them to leave obviously. However it, along with Ben's leading, seemed to open the door for others to leave. Would they have left anyway? I don't know.

Everybody phrases things in a bad way every once in a while. Remember Obama's "clinging to guns and religion" comment?

I'm actually incredibly optimistic, we will win the presidential race, its not like the voters that defected are going to be voting for Lief over our candidate

You're probably right ;)


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Vepres on August 30, 2009, 11:03:03 AM
Yeah the RPP is going down because some guy no one ever heard of said so!  Better book because I think Antonio is one of the most releveant, respected, and knowing of all Atlasians.

Let me know when someone who isn't a selfish attention whore leaves the party (well I guess Ben isn't that but I can see why Ben left)

I know that you use to be an *sshole with anyone who says something you don't agree with or makes something that doesn't pleas you, but all this hatred against those who left ( all are attention whores, of course ! :P ) make me think you're less optimistic that you want us to believe.

If you want to be really philosophical, everybody is an attention whore to an extent :P


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: DWTL Resigns as RPP Chair, Appoints Duke as Successor
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on August 30, 2009, 12:29:36 PM
I heard a rumor of some people wanting to leave the RPP and form a new party.

For some reason I was thinking of that as well.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: DWTL Resigns as RPP Chair, Appoints Duke as Successor
Post by: afleitch on August 30, 2009, 12:35:32 PM
I heard a rumor of some people wanting to leave the RPP and form a new party.

For some reason I was thinking of that as well.

It was a pretty open discussion yesterday. Don't know what's happened to it now.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: AndrewTX on August 30, 2009, 12:35:44 PM
I'm actually incredibly optimistic, we will win the presidential race, its not like the voters that defected are going to be voting for Lief over our candidate

Unless maybe another candidate will run who can take potential voters from an RPP candidate to give Lief a secured victory.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 30, 2009, 12:36:33 PM
I'm actually incredibly optimistic, we will win the presidential race, its not like the voters that defected are going to be voting for Lief over our candidate

Unless maybe another candidate will run who can take potential voters from an RPP candidate to give Lief a secured victory.
As long as they preferenced the RPP candidate ahead of Lief it wouldn't matter.  Just like my candidacy did nothing to hurt Bgwah


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: AndrewTX on August 30, 2009, 02:24:41 PM
I'm actually incredibly optimistic, we will win the presidential race, its not like the voters that defected are going to be voting for Lief over our candidate

Unless maybe another candidate will run who can take potential voters from an RPP candidate to give Lief a secured victory.
As long as they preferenced the RPP candidate ahead of Lief it wouldn't matter.  Just like my candidacy did nothing to hurt Bgwah

Of course it didnt. It only helped


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 30, 2009, 03:48:22 PM
Let me know when someone who isn't a selfish attention whore leaves the party

Yeah that's totally a great way to make people like your party.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Rowan on August 30, 2009, 04:13:03 PM
Let me know when someone who isn't a selfish attention whore leaves the party

Yeah that's totally a great way to make people like your party.

Don't worry, he's not chairman. So things are COMPLETELY different.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 30, 2009, 04:14:48 PM
Let me know when someone who isn't a selfish attention whore leaves the party

Yeah that's totally a great way to make people like your party.

Don't worry, he's not chairman. So things are COMPLETELY different.

Oh, silly me :P


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 30, 2009, 06:02:27 PM
Let me know when someone who isn't a selfish attention whore leaves the party

Yeah that's totally a great way to make people like your party.
The RPP can do without people who don't want to work toward the goal of the party.  As we saw, they are likely to leave and betray the party.  I warned against this as early as June


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 30, 2009, 06:09:25 PM
Let me know when someone who isn't a selfish attention whore leaves the party

Yeah that's totally a great way to make people like your party.
The RPP can do without people who don't want to work toward the goal of the party.  As we saw, they are likely to leave and betray the party.  I warned against this as early as June

DWTL, Vepres was NOT one of those people. I think we both know that.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 30, 2009, 06:13:00 PM
Did he not betray the party for absolutley no good reason? Yeah, 100%


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 30, 2009, 06:15:53 PM
Did he not betray the party for absolutley no good reason? Yeah, 100%

Vepres has made it clear that he handled the situation in a way that he is not particularly proud of. He was attacked while he was with us, now he is attacked without us. He is not a veteran, he is still new, and we need to give him a fair shot to be himself and redeem himself for what you might perceive as wrongdoing. We've all made mistakes, and we'll all make more.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 30, 2009, 06:18:42 PM
Did he not betray the party for absolutley no good reason? Yeah, 100%

Vepres has made it clear that he handled the situation in a way that he is not particularly proud of. He was attacked while he was with us, now he is attacked without us. He is not a veteran, he is still new, and we need to give him a fair shot to be himself and redeem himself for what you might perceive as wrongdoing. We've all made mistakes, and we'll all make more.
One of the main goals of the RPP as such a large party is to acquint newbies with the game and give them a footing, Vepres decided he knew what was best after about 2 weeks


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 30, 2009, 06:20:12 PM
     Well, guys like Vepres & Mechaman have basically said that they will be voting the same way as before. I don't like the RPP losing people, but if it doesn't really hurt our vote share & also helps prevent Atlasia from collapsing into a two-party system, it's not that bad.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 30, 2009, 06:20:58 PM
Did he not betray the party for absolutley no good reason? Yeah, 100%

Vepres has made it clear that he handled the situation in a way that he is not particularly proud of. He was attacked while he was with us, now he is attacked without us. He is not a veteran, he is still new, and we need to give him a fair shot to be himself and redeem himself for what you might perceive as wrongdoing. We've all made mistakes, and we'll all make more.
One of the main goals of the RPP as such a large party is to acquint newbies with the game and give them a footing, Vepres decided he knew what was best after about 2 weeks

We should still work with them and not crucify them. It's better for the party to not burn bridges.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 30, 2009, 06:22:25 PM
I'm not saying to burn bridges, I'm simply saying that it was childish for Vepres to leave the party and then claim he caused others to leave as well.  More childish was RB for using our help to get in and then absconding, and the DA was absurd for welcoming him with open arms


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Vepres on August 30, 2009, 06:26:50 PM
I'm not saying to burn bridges, I'm simply saying that it was childish for Vepres to leave the party and then claim he caused others to leave as well.  More childish was RB for using our help to get in and then absconding, and the DA was absurd for welcoming him with open arms

Did you read my explanation, it was a poorly worded statement.

Sigh


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 30, 2009, 06:27:33 PM
I'm not saying to burn bridges, I'm simply saying that it was childish for Vepres to leave the party and then claim he caused others to leave as well.  More childish was RB for using our help to get in and then absconding, and the DA was absurd for welcoming him with open arms

Did you read my explanation, it was a poorly worded statement.

Sigh
I see no reason why you wouldn't rejoin the RPP then.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Vepres on August 30, 2009, 06:28:31 PM
I'm not saying to burn bridges, I'm simply saying that it was childish for Vepres to leave the party and then claim he caused others to leave as well.  More childish was RB for using our help to get in and then absconding, and the DA was absurd for welcoming him with open arms

Did you read my explanation, it was a poorly worded statement.

Sigh
I see no reason why you wouldn't rejoin the RPP then.

My saying I caused others to leave was very poorly worded, I don't feel I can return to the party, however.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 30, 2009, 06:30:03 PM
Of all to leave the RPP for the DA, I think Rowan and Vepres are the best fits, and Vepres is a very reasonable and pragmatic guy who, though I disagree with him alot, is just fine in the DA.

In my opinion, anywho.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Badger on August 31, 2009, 07:58:59 AM
I'm actually incredibly optimistic, we will win the presidential race

Yes, that is indeed the definition of "incredibly optomistic".


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Vepres on August 31, 2009, 08:08:14 AM
Anyway, DWTL, I left because I was being attacked for being myself. I just got sick of it, and I just feel more at home in the DA at the moment. Besides, it's not like I'm suddenly going to vote straight JCP or anything like that.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Rowan on August 31, 2009, 08:09:27 AM
Anyway, DWTL, I left because I was being attacked for being myself. I just got sick of it, and I just feel more at home in the DA at the moment. Besides, it's not like I'm suddenly going to vote straight JCP or anything like that.

You don't need to defend yourself anymore, your friends don't need it, and your enemies won't believe you anyway.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Vepres on August 31, 2009, 04:42:44 PM
Anyway, DWTL, I left because I was being attacked for being myself. I just got sick of it, and I just feel more at home in the DA at the moment. Besides, it's not like I'm suddenly going to vote straight JCP or anything like that.

You don't need to defend yourself anymore, your friends don't need it, and your enemies won't believe you anyway.

You're right.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on August 31, 2009, 04:45:27 PM
Anyway, DWTL, I left because I was being attacked for being myself. I just got sick of it, and I just feel more at home in the DA at the moment. Besides, it's not like I'm suddenly going to vote straight JCP or anything like that.

You don't need to defend yourself anymore, your friends don't need it, and your enemies won't believe you anyway.

You're right.

You're not an enemy. I understand your plight with what happened. There was no reason why it should've been dragged out to the public like it was, and because of that, it wasn't a shock that you did leave. Matters such as yours should have been kept in private.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 31, 2009, 04:45:45 PM
Anyway, DWTL, I left because I was being attacked for being myself. I just got sick of it, and I just feel more at home in the DA at the moment. Besides, it's not like I'm suddenly going to vote straight JCP or anything like that.
You were attacked (privately by the way and it was far from an attack) because you were unnecessarily critizing members of our party.  I simply asked you, outside of inflated ego and attention whoring, the matter concerned you in the slighest.  Making friends with people like Lewis and Jas is about the stupidest thing a conservative can do in Atlasia, but if you want to go down that path and leave our party I'm not going to stop you.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 31, 2009, 07:29:15 PM
This is the language of the playground...


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Vepres on August 31, 2009, 07:35:41 PM
This is the language of the playground...
Indeed (I'm guilty as well).

@ DWTL:
And, no, it was criticism. Making an entire thread call "Vepres: What the hell is your problem" is not the friendliest action, to put it nicely.

DWTL, is it not attention-whoring (by your logic) when you criticized Antonio in the Northeast assembly thread over the name of region representatives?


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Mechaman on August 31, 2009, 09:45:39 PM
This is the language of the playground...

Agreed.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Vepres on August 31, 2009, 09:59:02 PM

I will refrain from fighting with DWTL further. You're right.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on September 01, 2009, 11:29:51 AM
This is the language of the playground...
Indeed (I'm guilty as well).

@ DWTL:
And, no, it was criticism. Making an entire thread call "Vepres: What the hell is your problem" is not the friendliest action, to put it nicely.

DWTL, is it not attention-whoring (by your logic) when you criticized Antonio in the Northeast assembly thread over the name of region representatives?
That thread was created in a private forum, it was pretty much the equivalent of PMing you the same thing.  SPC and the other members of the party fully agreed that was the correct course of action.  I didn't criticize Antonio on that (although he is a fool) I simply that the tradition was there and holding something up on something that simple was absurd.  Plus, if I want to issue a statement against an opposing party as the chair of the party, that's different. 


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on September 01, 2009, 01:11:19 PM
Only DWTL could believe creating a thread for members of the entire political party to see called "Vepres: What the hell is your problem" is the same as a PM.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on September 01, 2009, 01:14:10 PM
The funny stuff was what RowanBrandon said about Vepres, compared to what he did. LOL, what a joke.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Vepres on September 01, 2009, 07:03:44 PM
Anyway, DWTL, I left because I was being attacked for being myself. I just got sick of it, and I just feel more at home in the DA at the moment. Besides, it's not like I'm suddenly going to vote straight JCP or anything like that.

You don't need to defend yourself anymore, your friends don't need it, and your enemies won't believe you anyway.

You're right.

You're not an enemy. I understand your plight with what happened. There was no reason why it should've been dragged out to the public like it was, and because of that, it wasn't a shock that you did leave. Matters such as yours should have been kept in private.

I would like to point out that this:

Quote
I am leaving the RPP for the DA. Inter-party drama surrounding me was too much, which is why I have left. I really feel bad about leaving the likes of PiT, Hamilton, Tmth, Inks, and MasterJedi, but I don't feel welcome in the party anymore.

I am thankful for the DAers hospitality and welcoming attitude.

I am still in the Midwest gubernatorial race though, so keep the votes coming!

Was my original statement. It was when DWTL started attacking me in public that I retaliated.

It is unfortunate that this was made into a big public story, but so be it. This is the last time I'll publicly comment on this.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on September 01, 2009, 07:05:08 PM
You leaving the party was a pretty public action


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Vepres on September 01, 2009, 07:06:06 PM
You leaving the party was a pretty public action

Yeah, but I didn't say anything about any specific RPP members.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Sewer on September 01, 2009, 07:06:56 PM
You leaving the party was a pretty public action

You cant leave a party in privte.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on September 01, 2009, 07:07:29 PM
You leaving the party was a pretty public action

Yeah, but I didn't say anything about any specific RPP members.
Doesn't matter, I don't let people just leave the party over stupid things and think that is okay with the party.  We helped you get started and you ditched us


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on September 01, 2009, 07:13:54 PM
I request that the title now be changed to:

"One Senator Returns to RPP, Sorry Excuse for Senator and Insignifigant Governor Stay Gone"


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Rowan on September 01, 2009, 07:21:48 PM
I request that the title now be changed to:

"One Senator Returns to RPP, Sorry Excuse for Senator and Insignifigant Governor Stay Gone"

LOL. And what political office do you hold again?


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on September 01, 2009, 07:23:14 PM
I request that the title now be changed to:

"One Senator Returns to RPP, Sorry Excuse for Senator and Insignifigant Governor Stay Gone"

LOL. And what political office do you hold again?

Well the poor thing tried for Senator but he just couldn't pull it off. :(


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Vepres on September 01, 2009, 07:33:24 PM
You leaving the party was a pretty public action

Yeah, but I didn't say anything about any specific RPP members.
Doesn't matter, I don't let people just leave the party over stupid things and think that is okay with the party.  We helped you get started and you ditched us

If anything, my party affiliation was a liability in the Midwest (which is where I've been elected).


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on September 01, 2009, 07:34:55 PM
I request that the title now be changed to:

"One Senator Returns to RPP, Sorry Excuse for Senator and Insignifigant Governor Stay Gone"

LOL. And what political office do you hold again?
Great comeback, I mean I'm only a five-term senator and started the party that got you elected to the senate.  You would never have been a senator without me


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Rowan on September 01, 2009, 07:41:34 PM
I request that the title now be changed to:

"One Senator Returns to RPP, Sorry Excuse for Senator and Insignifigant Governor Stay Gone"

LOL. And what political office do you hold again?
Great comeback, I mean I'm only a five-term senator and started the party that got you elected to the senate.  You would never have been a senator without me

Oh how could I ever repay you for your generosity? I am not worthy to stand in your presence.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on September 01, 2009, 07:59:23 PM
I request that the title now be changed to:

"One Senator Returns to RPP, Sorry Excuse for Senator and Insignifigant Governor Stay Gone"

LOL. And what political office do you hold again?
Great comeback, I mean I'm only a five-term senator and started the party that got you elected to the senate.  You would never have been a senator without me

Oh how could I ever repay you for your generosity? I am not worthy to stand in your presence.

Perhaps showing an ounce of respect would be a start. Folks like Vepres and mechman had legitimate reasons to leave the party, but you, of all people, did not. The RPP threw their entire machine behind you over a respected Atlasian, SPC, to get you into the Senate only to see you leave for trivial reasons a week later. I don't like DWTL's attack dog style on most cases because I feel it hurts us more than it helps, but, in this case, I have no problem seeing him give you hell.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Rowan on September 01, 2009, 08:07:17 PM
I request that the title now be changed to:

"One Senator Returns to RPP, Sorry Excuse for Senator and Insignifigant Governor Stay Gone"

LOL. And what political office do you hold again?
Great comeback, I mean I'm only a five-term senator and started the party that got you elected to the senate.  You would never have been a senator without me

Oh how could I ever repay you for your generosity? I am not worthy to stand in your presence.

Perhaps showing an ounce of respect would be a start. Folks like Vepres and mechman had legitimate reasons to leave the party, but you, of all people, did not. The RPP threw their entire machine behind you over a respected Atlasian, SPC, to get you into the Senate only to see you leave for trivial reasons a week later. I don't like DWTL's attack dog style on most cases because I feel it hurts us more than it helps, but, in this case, I have no problem seeing him give you hell.

I respect you and most members of the RPP. I don't respect DWTL.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on September 01, 2009, 08:09:06 PM
I think we're using "respected Atlasian" in regards to SPC a little loosely.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on September 01, 2009, 08:11:06 PM
I request that the title now be changed to:

"One Senator Returns to RPP, Sorry Excuse for Senator and Insignifigant Governor Stay Gone"

LOL. And what political office do you hold again?
Great comeback, I mean I'm only a five-term senator and started the party that got you elected to the senate.  You would never have been a senator without me

Oh how could I ever repay you for your generosity? I am not worthy to stand in your presence.

Perhaps showing an ounce of respect would be a start. Folks like Vepres and mechman had legitimate reasons to leave the party, but you, of all people, did not. The RPP threw their entire machine behind you over a respected Atlasian, SPC, to get you into the Senate only to see you leave for trivial reasons a week later. I don't like DWTL's attack dog style on most cases because I feel it hurts us more than it helps, but, in this case, I have no problem seeing him give you hell.

I'm pretty sure things would quiet down if you didn't have members out here trying to pretend their vote never occurred or to call former RPP members 'worthless.'


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on September 02, 2009, 05:42:11 AM
I could never imagine that RPP was such an authoritarian political machine. "You would never be Senator without me", "The political machine was behind you", "You don't respect your party". Switch "party" with "family", and you could have the exact phrasing of the mafia.
Rowan Brandon is a free individual, and people who voted for him voted "Rowan Brandon", not "Regional Protection Party". You don't own his seat, he does, and therefore he is free to do whatever he considers right with his political positions.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: afleitch on September 02, 2009, 07:05:49 AM
I could never imagine that RPP was such an authoritarian political machine. "You would never be Senator without me", "The political machine was behind you", "You don't respect your party". Switch "party" with "family", and you could have the exact phrasing of the mafia.
Rowan Brandon is a free individual, and people who voted for him voted "Rowan Brandon", not "Regional Protection Party". You don't own his seat, he does, and therefore he is free to do whatever he considers right with his political positions.


Bravo!


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on September 02, 2009, 03:03:43 PM
Wrong.  People voted for Brandon because he was the RPP candidate


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on September 02, 2009, 03:19:28 PM
I could never imagine that RPP was such an authoritarian political machine. "You would never be Senator without me", "The political machine was behind you", "You don't respect your party". Switch "party" with "family", and you could have the exact phrasing of the mafia.
Rowan Brandon is a free individual, and people who voted for him voted "Rowan Brandon", not "Regional Protection Party". You don't own his seat, he does, and therefore he is free to do whatever he considers right with his political positions.

That may have been true in the past, but in the current landscape of Atlasia, people are elected, with maybe the exception of afleitch, because of the party they run with. Rowan was preference and not preferenced entirely because he was in the RPP, as was Fritz and Marokai because they were in the JCP, as was myself and SPC, as was Franzl and afleitch. That's the nature of the game, like it or not. If he ran as an independent, he would've been nowhere near the Senate. If he was in a different party, he would have never been nominated. I'm not trying to be confrontational, but I am stating facts about the current landscape of Atlasia. It is his seat now, and he doesn't have to step down, but hardly anyone gets elected these days because of who they are (with exceptions, as I said). It's foolish to make that argument, because it simply is not true. Most people vote down party lines whether it be JCP, RPP or DA. Virtually everyone voted their top 2 party candidates first in the last senate election.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on September 02, 2009, 03:32:55 PM
I think we're using "respected Atlasian" in regards to SPC a little loosely.
I'm hard pressed to find many Atlasians who are respect more, at least by their side.  Conservative /=/ Disrespected except in the eyes of the JCP/LNF/and some of the DA


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on September 03, 2009, 06:30:06 AM
Atlasia isn't at all partisanly polarized, and the recent senate elections prove how vote are in great part a matter of personal candidacies. If not how could the DA get 25 votes with only 18 members ? And how in april the same party got 31 with about 10 members ? And why the RPP got only one seat in april and august, when they are the second largest party and only 3 people behind the JCP ?Why did the two JCP candidates get 42 out of 82 votes agaist an united RPP-DA candidacy if the sum of the two parties' members is greatly superior to JCP's ? There is of course many partisan voters, but the elections are decided by people who "betray" their own party, JCPers and RPPers that chose DA. Above all, I think the current RPP leadership didn't notice how the RPP grassroots is more and more in conflict with the party's stances and strategy, and that these grassroots are more and more friendly to the DA and use to vote for it because they disagree with their party's radicalism. Also, I think RowanBrandon didn't betray at all his party, but just followed it in it's protest of the "DWTL system". If you keep negating it, RPP has no future.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on September 03, 2009, 07:29:04 AM
::)

Yeah Antonio you should definitely be lecturing me on how to win elections


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on September 03, 2009, 07:34:38 AM
::)

Yeah Antonio you should definitely be lecturing me on how to win elections


Yes, nice win there in the Senate. Oh wait, I'm sorry. You lost.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on September 03, 2009, 07:41:10 AM
For reference moron:

https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/April_2007_Senate_Election
https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/December_2008_Senate_Election
https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/April_2009_Senate_Election

As well as being appointed to a senate seat by AHDuke

Not to mention having my candidate win the December 2008 and April 2008 presidential elections, including finishing one vote of out of second by my lonesome in April, as well as would have would the June 2008 election had I been around to help my party.

When you come close to having that kind of electoral success, I'd like to know


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on September 03, 2009, 08:16:59 AM
You know how to win elections. Just as George W. Bush, Richard Nixon, Hitler, Mussolini, and in a certain way Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Pétain. Are they popular statesmen today ?


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on September 03, 2009, 08:20:05 AM
For reference moron:

https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/April_2007_Senate_Election
https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/December_2008_Senate_Election
https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/April_2009_Senate_Election

Perhaps he was thinking more about this one:
https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/August_2007_Senate_Election

;)


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on September 03, 2009, 08:55:26 AM
For reference moron:

https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/April_2007_Senate_Election
https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/December_2008_Senate_Election
https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/April_2009_Senate_Election

Perhaps he was thinking more about this one:
https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/August_2007_Senate_Election

;)
I'll admit defeats come to, butr remember I dropped out ;)


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Two More Leave the RPP, Both Senators
Post by: Vepres on September 03, 2009, 09:34:09 PM
I'll start being more active here once the new Senate begins and they do Senate-ish things.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Week in Review
Post by: Vepres on September 13, 2009, 12:50:08 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Week In Review
By Vepres

Alrighty then, let's look at what's been going on in the new Senate, and more:

  • The Global Treaty Organization Expansion Bill was withdrawn by Senate Hashemite after meeting opposition. One opponent, Ebowed, said, "...the GTO wasn't actually meant to replace the UN."

  • Secretary of External Affairs Happy Warrior spoke with Colombian President Uribe. According to the Secretary, Uribe had not intentions of going to war with Venezuela and that they would only use their military to combat the FARC rebels. Secretary Happy Warrior recommended that President Lief commit troops to fighting the FARC and prevent an attack on the Colombian President. No action has been taken by either the President or the Senate thus far.

  • The Party Empowerment Act has passed in the Senate. If signed into law, the bill would allow parties to remove members from their party and deny them the ability to rejoin if they so choose. No word as of yet on if the President is going to sign or veto the bill.

  • Senator MasterJedi was reelected as the President Pro-Tempore of the Senate in a vote of 6-4 against opponent Marokai.

  • A verdict has yet to be reached in Purple State v. Lief. The case came about after President Lief pardoned Devilman. Purple State argues that the Atlasian President doesn't have the constitutional ability to pardon criminals. Attorney General bgwah, arguing on behalf of the President, argues that there is precedent for it, despite it not being explicitly mentioned in the constitution.

  • The Atlasian Motorcycle Safety Bill is up for final vote. So far the tally is 5 in favor and 3 opposed. If passed, nobody under the age of ten will be allowed to ride on a motorcycle, nobody can knowingly allowing somebody unlicensed to use a motorcycle on a highway or not wearing protective headgear. The punishment will be a small fine, and licence suspension and jail time for repeated offenses.

  • Senator North Carolina Yankee introduced the Emergency Credit Access Bill. Essentially, the bill would apportion $75 billion of credit in lines of $100k for small businesses with another $50 billion to be available to people looking to start a business. Additionally it would apportion $75 billion of credit to be available to people looking to buy a house and another $75 billion available to people with mortgages at or above 5% interest who want to refinance. All these loans will have a 4% interest rate.

  • The Reasonable Minimum Wage Bill, introduced by Senator Marokai, is currently being debated. In its current form, the minimum wage will be set to $7.75 per hour and will be increased to $8.50 by 2010. It will also impose harsher punishments to businesses paying people below minimum wage.

  • The Colombian Assistance and Stability Bill has passes the Senate with a vote of 8 in favor and 2 opposed. The bill allows Atlasia to proved monetary and military aid to Colombia, and apportions $250 dollars to the Department of Foreign Affairs to be used at the SoEA's discretion to help maintain stability in the country. No word on the President's position on the bill.

  • The Efficient Automobile Rebate System Bill is currently being debated in the Senate. The bill currently provides rebates for people with cars ten years or older that get under 21 mi/gal who seek to purchase a new car with at least 33 mi/gal or a truck or SUV with at least 26 mi/gal. The rebates will be between $3500 and $5000.

  • The Internet Infrastructure and Access Expansion Bill passed the Senate with 9 in favor, and 1 opposed. The bill apportions money to be used to lay fiber optic cables and build broadband towers in rural areas. The goal is to extend internet access to poor and rural areas. It is currently on the President's desk.

  • BenConstine declared his candidacy for the Mideast Senate seat.

  • Senator MasterJedi has announced he will run for President in October, speculation mounts as to who his VP will be.

  • Breaking News: According to the Atlasia Dispatch-Herald, five masked gunmen have taken as many as thirty hostages in the Atlasian Colombian Embassy. Atlasian and Colombian troops, after some gunfire with the attackers, have the embassy surrounded and are trying to find a way to quickly and safely free the hostages.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Week in Review
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on September 13, 2009, 12:54:18 PM
You forgot, MasterJedi running for President (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=95132.msg2151426#msg2151426).


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Week in Review
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on September 13, 2009, 01:08:33 PM
You forgot, MasterJedi running for President (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=95132.msg2151426#msg2151426).

And my running for Senate (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=102205.0).


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Week in Review
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on September 13, 2009, 01:12:08 PM
You forgot, MasterJedi running for President (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=95132.msg2151426#msg2151426).

And my running for Senate (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=102205.0).

An announcement for the presidential race not making the news is more surprising than an announcement for a senate race not making the news, but whatever you say.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Week in Review
Post by: Vepres on September 13, 2009, 01:13:40 PM
I'll add it. I was so focused on all the Senate stuff I forgot, sorry guys.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Week in Review
Post by: Hash on September 13, 2009, 02:28:25 PM
I withdrew the original GTO bill to rework the language, not because of opposition, and a GTO2 bill was immediately re-introduced.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Week in Review
Post by: Vepres on September 13, 2009, 06:15:34 PM
I withdrew the original GTO bill to rework the language, not because of opposition, and a GTO2 bill was immediately re-introduced.

Oh, ok.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: This Week in Nyman
Post by: Vepres on October 04, 2009, 01:24:06 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
This Week in Nyman
By Vepres

*These are not in chronological order.

  • A group of prominent Atlasians, led by Senator Marokai, are considering impeaching Associate Supreme Court Justice Sam Spade. They cite the court's ruling on the LGB Dignity bill, in which the court ruled that it was unconstitutional because it violated a parent's right to raise their children in a manner they see fit. There is still much controversy over at the capital.

  • President Lief's veto of the Protection of Public Health Bill (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=102433.msg2157792#msg2157792), has been over turned by the Senate. The bill bans smoking in public areas.

  • The Supreme Court dismissed (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=102670.msg2164542#msg2164542) Purple State's lawsuit after they determined he did not have the standing to sue. Justice Opebo dissented (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=102670.msg2165132#msg2165132) from this ruling, saying that this would increase judicial activism and that there was no good reason to create such precedent.

  • The Reasonable Minimum Wage Bill (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=102029.msg2166401#msg2166401) was signed into law by the President. The bill, among other things, would increase the minimum wage to $8.50 by 2010.

  • The Cabinet Restructuring Bill 2009 (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=102599.msg2166412#msg2166412) was signed into law by President Lief on Tuesday. The bill creates a Department of Internal Affairs, which would handle the enforcement of domestic law and policy. The President has yet to make an appointment.

    • The Right to Life Bill (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=102852.msg2168249#msg2168249), which would ban abortions, has been withdrawn by its sponsor Senator RowanBrandon.

    • Xahar has sued President Lief for his pardoning of Devilman88. Xahar believes that the President does not have the power to pardon a felon. No word yet as to whether the court will accept the case or not.

    • The Welfare Reform Bill 2009 (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=102787.msg2166791#msg2166791), which is being sponsored by Senator afleitch, which at first seemed to be sure to pass, has met some resistance from Presidential candidate Al, who believes the bill, as it is currently worded, would be a legal nightmare. Afleitch as offered an amendment that may solve the problem, though it has yet to be debated.

      • The Voting Reform Bill 2009 (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=103042.msg2173718#msg2173718) has met strong resistance from Senators of all three major parties. The bill would require people to be a member of the Atlas forum at-large for 6 months (though even the sponsor, Senator RowanBrandon, says this will be decreased) before registering to vote in the fantasy board. The bill aims to reduce the number of zombie voters.

      • The Bow Chicka Bow Wow Bill (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=103041.msg2173714#msg2173714), which would allow people 14 years and up to legally buy porn, is currently being debated on the Senate floor. While opinions on the bill are mixed, it appears to have support from a number of Senators.

      • The  is currently being debated in the Senate. It would require airline passengers to be compensated if they are forced to remain on a grounded aircraft for more than three hours. (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=102232.msg2156378#msg2156378)


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: A (hopefully) Unbiased Analysis of the Upcoming President
Post by: Vepres on October 17, 2009, 06:52:53 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
A (hopefully) Unbiased Analysis of the Upcoming Presidential Election
By Vepres

The up coming election is a significant one in our country's recent history. This election is a referendum on President Lief, who enacted major reforms as President including a stimulus package and health care reform. His opponents are all established Atlasian politicians, one of each representing the three ideologies Lief doesn't, European socialism, moderate, and libertarian/conservative.

Former President Al, the first LNF candidate for President, has expressed very left-wing views and has criticized politicians from all sides of the aisle. His LNF base, which consists of roughly 10 voters, will net him 10%-15% of first preference votes (assuming turnout is roughly the same or a little higher than the last Presidential election). This is a strong base indeed, however beyond this he has few potential voters. While the left-wing JCP has endorsed him as their second preference, there is very little chance President Lief will be eliminated before the final round if he fails to win because he has the almost unanimous support of his own party, the JCP. Al has almost no appeal outside these two parties, and thus Lief would have to have unrealistically low support for Al to have a chance.

President Lief is a member of the JCP; Atlasia's largest party. As is stated above, the President has near unanimous support from his party, which will net him at least 30 votes if the party's turnout is very low, most likely many more. Even if there is 100% turnout from the general populace, this base alone will give Lief at least 30% of the vote under worst case scenarios. If turnout assumptions for the JCP are made more reasonable, he could conceivably net 45% of the vote from his party alone. Therefore, he will almost certainly make it to the final round because of this strong base.

Former Senator PiT, a member of the Progressive Conservative Party, is probably Lief's strongest opponent. Indeed, PiT tied with Lief in the final tally of the vote, losing only because Lief had one more first preference than his opponent. The PCP, which has ballooned into Atlasia's second largest party with 52 members appears to have strong support for PiT. Both the conservative and libertarian wings of the party have united behind him, and because of the party's greater size, PiT could nearly match Lief in numbers with his base. Depending on the PCP turnout, PiT could receive between 25% and 40% of the vote from his base alone. However, PiT doesn't have the benefit of a PCP/DA unity ticket like he had four months ago, so his support may be more limited to Atlasia's right-wing, at least in the first round of voting.

The wild card in this race is Senator Franzl, the "youngest" (time in Atlasia) candidate in the race. The DA has fielded a purely DA ticket, a risky move considering the party is roughly 1/3 the size of the next largest party, the PCP. While his base of 12-18 voters may be small, he does have the advantage of being well liked by those on all sides of the aisle. However, though he may receive many 2nd, 3rd, and 4th preferences, these may not benefit him if he is eliminated before Former Senator PiT or President Lief and Former President Al. While in a one-on-one race he would most likely defeat any of his opponents, in a four-way race he lacks the strong base that the President and PiT enjoy. His success will depend on how many JCP and PCP members first preference him, and how many Al voters 2nd preference him over Lief.

So, there is the relative support of each candidate. Now, the odds of each candidate emerging victorious must be assessed. Fmr. President Al has a small base and little first preference support outside of his party. The only way for him to emerge victorious is for the JCP turnout to be extremely low and for some members of other parties to first preference him. If, through and intervention of the gods, Lief is somehow eliminated before Al, all those JCP votes would transfer to the former President. Even then, this scenario could only occur with low left-wing turnout, thus PiT or Franzl may still defeat him in the end. Therefore, it is determined that Al's odds of emerging victorious are close to zero.

Senator Franzl, like Al, is an underdog. However, a Franzl victory is more likely than an Al victory. Franzl has been endorsed by the PCP for their 2nd preference vote, thus if PiT is eliminated before him, he may have a chance. In fact, should PiT somehow be eliminated before Franzl, the DA Senator would probably win in a squeaker, as the election would become similar to last June, only with a larger PCP. Still, it is unlikely PiT would be eliminated before Franzl, and the LNF voters seem to mostly want to 2nd preference Lief. Thus, his odds are probably low, though not hopelessly so.

Former Senator PiT probably has the best chance of defeating Lief. With a far more robust PCP behind him, he has the highest odds of the three challengers to Lief the make it to the final round of voting. Assuming he makes it to the final round, his victory will depend on how many DA voters preference him over Lief. If one looks at the last election, PiT received almost unanimous DA support. However, then-Senator HappyWarrior (DA) was on the ticket, and it without a DA running mate, it is hard to determine whether more left-leaning DA members such as Purple State and Hashemite will favor him over Lief.

So, the President does in fact have the highest chance of winning, but if the election goes as the Sentinel projects it will, he will win by > 10 votes. Really, under the most likely scenario, the election comes down to who the left-wing DA members prefer, Pit or Lief. The JCP has only has four more voters than the PCP, so the bases are roughly equal. Now, assuming all of the LNF votes transfer to Lief after Al's likely elimination, Lief will have a 15-20 vote advantage over PiT (assuming high turnout and roughly proportional turnout by party). Now, The more centrist and right-wing DA members such as afleitch, Fraznl, myself, and others 2nd preference PiT, he will only have ~5-10 vote deficit. It all comes down to the left-leaning DA members. If most of them 2nd preference PiT, he will win in a squeaker. If they err towards Lief however, the President will win reelection by ~8-12 votes.

Based on our analysis, the candidates rank in this order from most likely to win at the top to least likely at the bottom.

Odds of Winning:
1. President Lief (JCP)
2. Former Senator PiT (PCP)
3. Senator Franzl (DA)
4. Former President Al (LNF)


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: A (hopefully) Unbiased Analysis of the Upcoming Presidential
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on October 17, 2009, 06:56:09 PM
AndrewCT/afleitch was a purely DA ticket and did even better than Franzl has a chance to do

Also, the SoFA list contains people that have no chance of voting so I wouldn't go off of that.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: A (hopefully) Unbiased Analysis of the Upcoming Presidential
Post by: Vepres on October 17, 2009, 06:57:05 PM
AndrewCT/afleitch was a purely DA ticket and did even better than Franzl has a chance to do

Ah, my mistake. Fixed.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: A (hopefully) Unbiased Analysis of the Upcoming Presidential
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on October 17, 2009, 06:58:07 PM
And Franzl has not been endorsed with our second prefs. In fact, I'm second preferenceing AL and encouraging others to do so as well.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: A (hopefully) Unbiased Analysis of the Upcoming Presidential
Post by: Vepres on October 17, 2009, 07:02:22 PM
And Franzl has not been endorsed with our second prefs. In fact, I'm second preferenceing AL and encouraging others to do so as well.

Did your party make a 2nd pref. endorsement? If so, link please. :)


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: A (hopefully) Unbiased Analysis of the Upcoming Presidential
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on October 17, 2009, 07:03:06 PM
And Franzl has not been endorsed with our second prefs. In fact, I'm second preferenceing AL and encouraging others to do so as well.

Did your party make a 2nd pref. endorsement? If so, link please. :)

No. The voting hasn't begun. But you said Franzl had our second prefs when he doesn't, at least not yet.

You said: Franzl has been endorsed by the PCP for their 2nd preference vote,


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: A (hopefully) Unbiased Analysis of the Upcoming Presidential
Post by: Rowan on October 17, 2009, 07:06:01 PM
Well Franzl will be the second preference of the rational members of the RPP.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: A (hopefully) Unbiased Analysis of the Upcoming Presidential
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on October 17, 2009, 07:06:55 PM
Well Franzl will be the second preference of the rational members of the RPP.

No he won't. Continue being irrelevant, why don't you?


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: A (hopefully) Unbiased Analysis of the Upcoming Presidential
Post by: Rowan on October 17, 2009, 07:09:51 PM
Well Franzl will be the second preference of the rational members of the RPP.

No he won't. Continue being irrelevant, why don't you?

I'm a senator, you're an assemblyman. Me > You


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: A (hopefully) Unbiased Analysis of the Upcoming Presidential
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on October 17, 2009, 07:10:15 PM
Well Franzl will be the second preference of the rational members of the RPP.

No he won't. Continue being irrelevant, why don't you?

I'm a senator, you're an assemblyman. Me > You

You're time as a Senator is limited, I'm afraid.

And I've certainly accomplished more in my position than you have in yours.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: A (hopefully) Unbiased Analysis of the Upcoming Presidential
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on October 17, 2009, 07:15:57 PM
And no response... Hmmm....


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: A (hopefully) Unbiased Analysis of the Upcoming Presidential
Post by: SPC on October 18, 2009, 01:13:32 AM
The DA really thinks it can win without a coalition? LOL


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: A (hopefully) Unbiased Analysis of the Upcoming Presidential
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on October 18, 2009, 01:20:25 AM
The DA really thinks it can win without a coalition? LOL

Oh I'm certain that's exactly the kind of attitude they love being treated with.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: A (hopefully) Unbiased Analysis of the Upcoming President
Post by: Purple State on October 18, 2009, 01:25:10 AM
The DA really thinks it can win without a coalition? LOL

Our whole ideology is about cross-party outreach. It isn't as much about an explicit "coalition" so much as appealing to the moderates and pragmatists of all the parties.

And as we have said numerous times, it isn't about winning in this race. It's about being the DA and running a ticket on our own.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: A (hopefully) Unbiased Analysis of the Upcoming Presidential
Post by: Vepres on October 18, 2009, 10:03:09 AM
The DA really thinks it can win without a coalition? LOL

Ah, good to see you're back!


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: A (hopefully) Unbiased Analysis of the Upcoming Presidential
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on October 18, 2009, 10:06:45 AM
Hamilton, all you've accomplished is becoming an irritating, irrelevant troll.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: A (hopefully) Unbiased Analysis of the Upcoming Presidential
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on October 18, 2009, 04:21:54 PM
Hamilton, all you've accomplished is becoming an irritating, irrelevant troll.

I'm nowhere near irrelevant.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: A (hopefully) Unbiased Analysis of the Upcoming Presidential
Post by: Franzl on October 18, 2009, 10:11:27 PM
The DA really thinks it can win without a coalition? LOL

What's your point again? We should whore ourselves to another party to increase our chances of winning?


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: A (hopefully) Unbiased Analysis of the Upcoming Presidential
Post by: SPC on October 18, 2009, 10:29:48 PM
The DA really thinks it can win without a coalition? LOL

What's your point again? We should whore ourselves to another party to increase our chances of winning?

It certainly makes more sense than whoring yourselves to another party to decrease your chances of winning.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: A (hopefully) Unbiased Analysis of the Upcoming President
Post by: Purple State on October 18, 2009, 10:32:41 PM
The DA really thinks it can win without a coalition? LOL

What's your point again? We should whore ourselves to another party to increase our chances of winning?

It certainly makes more sense than whoring yourselves to another party to decrease your chances of winning.

I didn't realize rallying the base was "whoring" to another party.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: A (hopefully) Unbiased Analysis of the Upcoming Presidential
Post by: SPC on October 18, 2009, 10:36:15 PM
Just out of curiosity, would you consider HappyWarrior to have been a whore in the last election because he ran with PiT? If not, then why would it be whorish to run with him in this election, considering that it is once again the same two major candidates?


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: A (hopefully) Unbiased Analysis of the Upcoming President
Post by: Purple State on October 18, 2009, 10:43:29 PM
Just out of curiosity, would you consider HappyWarrior to have been a whore in the last election because he ran with PiT? If not, then why would it be whorish to run with him in this election, considering that it is once again the same two major candidates?

I'm not really interested in starting this conversation again for someone who decided to leave for a few months. Feel free to find the relevant threads and read through them.

And you should be aware that PiT was not the PCP's original candidate.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: A (hopefully) Unbiased Analysis of the Upcoming Presidential
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on October 20, 2009, 11:23:41 AM
I find it humurous that Hamilton goes so far in being like me that he continues to use the word "relevant", however, unlike me it doesn't apply.  He has really never done anything, he's a new Xahar


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: A (hopefully) Unbiased Analysis of the Upcoming Presidential
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on October 20, 2009, 03:24:23 PM
I find it humurous that Hamilton goes so far in being like me that he continues to use the word "relevant", however, unlike me it doesn't apply.  He has really never done anything, he's a new Xahar

I find it humorous that you not only cannot spell, but you also think you are the sole claim to the word "relevant." FYI, the only other forum I've posted on regularly is a hip-hop forum and that is our way of referring to the nobodies. "Irrelevant." The somebodies. "Relevant."

As for me being the new Xahar, well first of all I've won an election, second of all, you've made statements saying otherwise, and third, Xahar is very intelligent so maybe I am like him. Certainly not like you, because you consistently prove that you have no grasp of politics.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: A (hopefully) Unbiased Analysis of the Upcoming Presidential
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on October 20, 2009, 03:37:01 PM




Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: A (hopefully) Unbiased Analysis of the Upcoming Presidential
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on October 20, 2009, 04:08:00 PM
Hamilton you are an idiot, the PPT was a blemish but the fact is, I was a senator then, something you will never be.  And I still have a uber-powerful party to run


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: A (hopefully) Unbiased Analysis of the Upcoming Presidential
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on October 20, 2009, 04:15:18 PM
Hamilton you are an idiot, the PPT was a blemish but the fact is, I was a senator then, something you will never be.  And I still have a uber-powerful party to run

You're a fool.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Mideast Senator Tmthforu94
Post by: Vepres on October 21, 2009, 06:08:17 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Interview with Mideast Senator Tmthforu94
By Vepres

Vepres: How do you feel about your odds this weekend? After all, you were appointed, not elected, to your position with relatively low experience.

Sen. Tmthforu94: I feel pretty confident, honestly. I think I've done a good job at getting my party behind me, and I have also gotten the support of people outside of my party, which is crucial in this election. I am confident that the citizens of the Mideast will elect the right person, whether it is myself or Governor BenConstine.


Ben has won elected office in the region and is no doubt a strong candidate, why do you think voters will choose you over him?

Ben was elected, but the political landscape of the Mideast has drastically changed since them. I'm sure there are voters out there that are worried about voting to him, due to his awful record as Governor and being banned for months. I think the voters will vote for me over Ben because they think I will represent them better in the Senate.


How do you feel about the new Department of Internal Affairs? Do you think Nik was a good choice for the Secretary?

It's an interesting position. I'm extremely curious to see what it develops into. As to NiK, I do think he is a good choice. He is an active member in Atlasia, which will be important to this job. I'm confident that he knows his stuff, and will be able to prove to doubters that creating the SoIA was a good choice.


You have been critical of the RPP/PCP in the past, what about the party has changed that has kept you from leaving?

I am an outspoken individual. Even though some may not like it, I will voice my opinion when something is wrong. This party has had its ups and its downs. Ultimately though, I think this party is best for me politically, as well as the fact I think I can make a positive impact on this party and the right wing of Atlasia, which I don't think I could do in other parties.


Do you think Rowan Brandon deserves to be punished for violating the Privacy Protection Act?

I will have to wait to see both sides of the case before making a decision. How do we know for sure he posted those PMs?


How do you feel about the strategic voter registration reform bill in the Senate?


I am very enthusiastic about it. I created it, after all. Strategic registering ruins the regions, since parties can move people from other regions into a region with a competitive election in order to win. Hopefully changing the numbers of days you have to wait to 180 will discourage that.


Thank you, Senator


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Mideast Senator Tmthforu94
Post by: Vepres on October 21, 2009, 06:09:22 PM
Note: Op-eds are always welcome, and I will almost always accept an interview if somebody requests one.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Mideast Senator Tmthforu94
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 21, 2009, 06:15:57 PM
Ben wasn't banned unless you mean banned from holding office/voting. Other then that, he wasn't "banned" in the way we would assume one would be when using that term(like KoTBP, Straha, Ogis etc).


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Mideast Senator Tmthforu94
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on October 21, 2009, 06:16:28 PM
I'll take an interview, no one has done one for anyone in awhile and I always thought they were interesting


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Mideast Senator Tmthforu94
Post by: tmthforu94 on October 21, 2009, 06:17:07 PM
Ben wasn't banned unless you mean banned from holding office/voting. Other then that, he wasn't "banned" in the way we would assume one would be when using that term(like KoTBP, Straha, Ogis etc).
That's what I was referring to. ;)


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Mideast Senator Tmthforu94
Post by: Purple State on October 21, 2009, 07:44:17 PM
I'm not clear on the ambivalence towards Atlasia v. RowanBrandon. Unless those involved publicly state their permission for him to post their PMs, the case seems pretty cut-and-dry.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Mideast Senator Tmthforu94
Post by: tmthforu94 on October 21, 2009, 07:47:47 PM
I'm not clear on the ambivalence towards Atlasia v. RowanBrandon. Unless those involved publicly state their permission for him to post their PMs, the case seems pretty cut-and-dry.
I'm just trying to be open-minded on it. The defense could present a great case. I don't want to go around saying I support Rowan being banned, when I'm not 100% sure.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Mideast Senator Tmthforu94
Post by: HappyWarrior on October 21, 2009, 07:50:47 PM
I'm not clear on the ambivalence towards Atlasia v. RowanBrandon. Unless those involved publicly state their permission for him to post their PMs, the case seems pretty cut-and-dry.

I'm in total agreement on this


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Mideast Senator Tmthforu94
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on October 21, 2009, 08:19:16 PM
I'm not clear on the ambivalence towards Atlasia v. RowanBrandon. Unless those involved publicly state their permission for him to post their PMs, the case seems pretty cut-and-dry.
I'm just trying to be open-minded on it. The defense could present a great case. I don't want to go around saying I support Rowan being banned, when I'm not 100% sure.

Don't be partisan.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Mideast Senator Tmthforu94
Post by: Rowan on October 21, 2009, 08:23:23 PM
I'm not clear on the ambivalence towards Atlasia v. RowanBrandon. Unless those involved publicly state their permission for him to post their PMs, the case seems pretty cut-and-dry.
I'm just trying to be open-minded on it. The defense could present a great case. I don't want to go around saying I support Rowan being banned, when I'm not 100% sure.

Don't be partisan.

Don't be a troll.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Mideast Senator Tmthforu94
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on October 21, 2009, 08:24:14 PM
I'm not clear on the ambivalence towards Atlasia v. RowanBrandon. Unless those involved publicly state their permission for him to post their PMs, the case seems pretty cut-and-dry.
I'm just trying to be open-minded on it. The defense could present a great case. I don't want to go around saying I support Rowan being banned, when I'm not 100% sure.

Don't be partisan.

Don't be a troll.

bt i cant hlp it tho


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Mideast Senator Tmthforu94
Post by: Vepres on November 06, 2009, 06:02:37 PM
With my duties as Governor and a very busy RL I have not been able to update this much. I hope to return to at least weekly articles by next week when things slow down for me.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Vepres on November 07, 2009, 12:52:44 PM
As you know, I have been having a hard time keeping up with this paper. Thus, I would like to announce that the Sentinel will have a new Junior Editor, Tmthforu94.

I will provide the bulk of the more objective coverage, and we'll both contribute opinion articles and interviews.

Additionally, it's probably better to have another write this while I run for an office to keep the conflict of interest down.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on November 07, 2009, 01:10:51 PM
Thank you, Governor Vepres, for letting me work with you. :) This will continue to be the best newspaper in Atlasia.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on November 07, 2009, 02:17:39 PM
The NWA has more entertainment value. :[


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Dr. Cynic on November 07, 2009, 03:27:09 PM

The wrestling promotion or the rap group?


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on November 07, 2009, 06:13:44 PM
Still want to be interviewed :)


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on November 07, 2009, 06:14:27 PM
Interview me! I'm surrounded with drama! I'm interesting! Pick me, pick me!


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Vepres on November 07, 2009, 06:20:29 PM

I can interview you next weekend, as it is, I'm very busy this weekend and next week.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on December 14, 2009, 08:30:44 PM
For anyone who would like to be interviewd by the Sentinel, you may either post your interest in this thread, or privately message either Governor Vepres or myself.
Thank you,
Isaac


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Vepres on December 14, 2009, 08:38:23 PM
Thanks for bumping this.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on December 14, 2009, 09:44:42 PM
What I don't understand is why these news papers don't seek interviews with people rather than having a free-for-all approach. We just end up having the same folks getting interviewed each time. :P


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Vepres on December 14, 2009, 10:09:35 PM
What I don't understand is why these news papers don't seek interviews with people rather than having a free-for-all approach. We just end up having the same folks getting interviewed each time. :P

I will ramp it up when the election for Governor is over.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on December 14, 2009, 10:14:13 PM
What I don't understand is why these news papers don't seek interviews with people rather than having a free-for-all approach. We just end up having the same folks getting interviewed each time. :P

I will ramp it up when the election for Governor is over.

Well, it's not just yours in particular. All the papers do the "if you want to be interviewed, tell us!" Instead, why not go after the news makers like other news outlets do!


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on December 14, 2009, 10:35:10 PM
For anyone who would like to be interviewd by the Sentinel, you may either post your interest in this thread, or privately message either Governor Vepres or myself.
Thank you,
Isaac

I would like to be interviewed.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: CatoMinor on December 14, 2009, 11:13:58 PM
For anyone who would like to be interviewd by the Sentinel, you may either post your interest in this thread, or privately message either Governor Vepres or myself.
Thank you,
Isaac

I would like to be interviewed.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Mideast Senator Tmthforu94
Post by: tmthforu94 on December 27, 2009, 10:29:20 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Interview with Mideast Assemblyman Swedish Cheese
By Tmthforu94

Good evening, Assemblyman Swedish Cheese, and thank you.

Glad to be here, Tmthforu94

Let's get started.

Tmthforu94: In a surprising and bold move by SoFA Franzl, you were chosen to be his Vice President. Was it a surprise to you that you were asked?

Swedish Cheese: It did come as somewhat of a shock at first, I admit. When Franzl first asked me to join the ticket I was sure it was some sort of joke or misunderstanding. However after Franzl had made it clear that he was sincere in his offer to me, I quickly settled in my new role as Franzl's main support in his campaign, and had a fun and exciting time running for the second highest office in this country

Tmthforu94: Even though you lost, what did you learn from running for Vice President? Has it changed your perception on the office?

Swedish Cheese: I gained a lot of self-confidence from running for Vice President. The fact that a lot of people saw me as a good candidate (even those who did not end up voting for me and Franzl) as well as me taking part in a broader national debate made me a stronger and more daring politician. I think that's the best quality I learnt from being Franzl's running mate.

My opinion of the Office of Vice President has changed very little. I still consider it an important office in Atlasia.

Tmthforu94: Regarding the future, many see you as a rising star in Atlasia, and you were nominated by several as "Newbie of the Year". Do you have plans to take a step up in public office, possibly running for the open Senate seat in February, or even President?

Swedish Cheese: I know that many would like to see me make a run for the Senate, and although the opportunity to seek the Mideast Regional Seat is tempting, I don't believe it likely for me to run in February. Senator is probably the most time consuming position one can hold in Atlasia, and I need to focus a lot of energy on getting good grades my last semester of High School so that I'm able to get into a Law-School of my choice this fall. Therefore I'm not sure I have the time to do the job of a Senator properly at the moment.

A Presidential run someday in the future is of course always a possibility, but I can almost say for sure it won't happen these next two elections.

Tmthforu94: Not too long ago, Assemblyman, you became the Speaker of the Assembly, following Peter. Those were pretty big shoes to feel. What do you feel that you have accomplished as Speaker, and how have you made the Mideast region a better region for all?

Swedish Cheese: Peter's shoes were indeed pretty big to fill, as he's truly the greatest of Speakers. But even though I don't want to flatter myself too much I still believe I've done a very good job as Speaker. During my first term as Speaker I lead the most productive Assembly in history, partly due to my own efforts to keep the Assembly active and effective. Much of it was of course thanks to my excellent fellow Assemblymen Badger and Big Bad Fab as well. I believe we together have improved our region by bringing forward Moderate bipartisan legislation that will improve many aspects of life for Mideast citizens. My biggest personal contribution was of course the bill to save our economy, which according to the Game Moderator was successful in lowering our Region's high unemployment with several points.

This term has been rather stormy and ineffective due to court cases, resignations, and other problems. But I've still managed to keep the Assembly running through all these trails, and I believe that after we once again starts working after Christmas recess, I will once again lead a very productive Assembly.

Tmthforu94: Recently, HAEV was passed, and three Atlasians were selected to serve on HAEV. What is your opinion of HAEV, and do you think it will actually work?

I have long been a strong supporter of Zombie Control, and during the Presidential race me and Franzl discussed the subject several times. I'm not sure that the HAEV is the best or the fairest way to deal with the problem, but I'm more than willing to give it a chance. The system ultimatley depends on the individual HAEV’s, and whether they allow their personal biases to get in the way of whom they label a zombie, and whom they don't. It might be a great success, and it might be a failure. I believe Leif has made good nominations however, and I'm awaiting to see the actual results of this before I make a final judgment on the subject.

Thank you for your time, Mr. Assemblyman.

(My apologies for the formatting. I am having a major scrolling problem on this site that makes it nearly impossible to make lengthy posts, so I have to do this on Word)


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on December 29, 2009, 05:49:43 PM
For anyone who would like to be interviewd by the Sentinel, you may either post your interest in this thread, or privately message either Governor Vepres or myself.
Thank you,
Isaac
I would like to be interviewed.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on December 29, 2009, 11:45:06 PM
An interview would be delightful for me, as well, if this paper or anyone else would like.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Vepres on December 30, 2009, 12:54:08 PM
Understand we can't interview all who request it. At the moment, Tmthforu94 is basically doing all the work here as I'm busy with real life and my soon to begin next term as Governor.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 24, 2011, 06:09:35 PM
Boom shika laka.

The Atlasian Sentinel is back. Since Vepres is gone, I will be assuming full powers. For now we're staying in the old thread - tbd whether a new one will be created.



Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Mideast Senator Tmthforu94
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 24, 2011, 07:23:08 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Analysis of the Ongoing Elections
By Tmthforu94

Presidential Election

When this race started out, some thought Teddy/Mechaman actually stood a chance. If they could get high turnout from the RPP and POP, as well as win over some moderates and loonies, they posed a serious threat to the "invincible" Polnut/Bacon King ticket. However, as the race progressed, the chances of this happening diminished. Teddy ran one of the poorest campaigns in recent memory, due to unfortunate problems in RL. A confusing platform, poor debate performance, and low activity in general kept the ticket from ever lifting off the ground.

The results this weekend look just how I expected them to - Polnut is winning almost unanimous support from the left and moderate wings of Atlasia, and is also getting a high percentage of votes from the RPP, the party of Presidential candidate Teddy.

The Atlasian Sentinel projects that the Polnut/Bacon King ticket will comfortable be elected, winning between 65-75% of the vote.


Mideast Senate Race

The last few Senate races in the Mideast have produced photo-finish races. This race, however, looks to be tightly locked in, well, my column.

The Atlasian Sentinel projects that Tmthforu94 will be elected to the Senate with over 70% of the vote.


Northeast Senate Race

This is probably the only race in this election that's interesting to me, and it's shaping up to be pretty exciting. Our count shows Napoleon with a very slight lead, but that could easily be changed.

The start of this race looked to be smooth sailing for Napoleon, but his campaign has had several missteps, and Marokai has been able to keep his mouth shut enough to actually have a chance at pulling this off. The Atlasian Sentinel would have endorsed Marokai Blue or Wormy for this Senate race, due to it's concerns about Napoleon's game reform ideas, specifically him advocating the repeal of the Game Reform Act of 2011. While I recognize amendments may need to be made to the bill, an all out repeal would sweep much of the progress we've made, specifically the relevancy we gave to the SoEA and SoIA positions.

The Atlasian Sentinel rates this race as too close to call.

Midwest Senate Race

I was very disappointed to learn that Kalwejt wouldn't be running for a second term. Though we've had our rough spots, I can't help but acknowledge Kalwejt's commitment and dedication to Atlasia. His presence will be missed. 

Many believed going into this election that it would be Fuzzybigfoot's for the taking, but he currently leads BelgianSocialist by just 1 vote.

The Atlasian Sentinel rates this race as too close to call.


Pacific Senate Race

The Atlasian Sentinel gives massive props to Junkie for actually running a fairly active campaign in the Pacific, something that is rarely ever seen due to the boring, one-party state of the region. In a slightly better enviornment, Junkie could pull off an upset, but due to the massive amount of influence bgwah has on the region, he's in very good shape to take this.

The Atlasian Sentinel projects that Bgwah will be elected to the Senate.


Southeast Senate Race


North Carolina Yankee will easily be reelected to his 406346th term. Hopefully he will be reelected as PPT, too!

The Atlasian Sentinel projects that North Carolina Yankee will be elected to the Senate.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 25, 2011, 03:54:34 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Sam Spade Resigns as Chief Justice
By Tmthforu94

Yesterday evening, many were shocked to learn that esteemed Chief Justice Sam Spade resigned from his position. Sam Spade has been a Justice since July 2008, months before I even registered for that Atlas Forum. Same Spade has been a dedicated and committed worker on the Supreme Court, and I have no doubt that his presence will be missed.

Spade's resignation gives me, as President, a unique opportunity to do something that is considered to be one of the most powerful decisions of a President - appoint a Justice. Not only will I have ability to appoint a Justice, but also the Chief Justice. The person whom I appoint must be in good standing in the Atlasian community, have integrity and character, and also have extensive knowledge of the law.

Sources close to the President say he will likely make a decision within the next 48 hours. :)


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Oakvale on June 25, 2011, 04:05:43 PM
Woah, Sam Spade resigned? That's certainly a shakeup of the Court.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 26, 2011, 12:07:23 AM
Aw, there goes the last of my influence on the Supreme Court. :(


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 26, 2011, 12:09:53 AM
Woah, Sam Spade resigned? That's certainly a shakeup of the Court.

Is it really? He was a good procedure guy and everything but it's not like this changes the general make-up of the court in any way.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 26, 2011, 04:44:37 AM
So who now as whief justice ? Bullmoose ?


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 26, 2011, 04:53:59 AM

     Bullmoose has been off the Court for a long time.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Jake Matthews Resigns as Northeast Governor!
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 26, 2011, 11:10:11 AM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Jake Matthews Resigns as Northeast Governor!
By Tmthforu94

This morning, many were surprised to learn that newly elected Northeast Governor Jake Matthews had resigned from his position.

Fellow Northeasterners,

I've made a very difficult decision today. After lots of consideration and pondering, I've made the decision to resign as Governor of the Northeast. I'm very sorry to everyone who expected to see positive change come at my hands, but I just can't commit to the game anymore. I've had it to the moon and back with cut-throat politics in the game. The fact that some of my issues in Atlasia are effecting my personal life is frightening and I'm going to take a break. I'd like to assure everyone that this doesn't not mean the end. I would also like to make a genuine apology to Napoleon for my invalidation of my vote that would have been counted in his favor. I apologize to everyone. My resignation is effictive immediately. I wish only the best for the Northeast Region and it's people. I hope you all can find a Governor that will impose positive change and I'm sorry that wasn't me.

-Jake Matthews

This is certainly disappointing. The Atlasian Sentinel was looking forward to what JM had in store for the Northeast. This is a huge blow to the Northeast region as well, who were looking forward to finally having an active and competent Governor.



Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Napoleon on June 26, 2011, 11:12:50 AM
I'm sure you were. ::)


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 26, 2011, 11:17:43 AM
I was. It is my wish that the Northeast turns itself around, as it will benefit the entire game as a result. Jake Matthews resigning is certainly blow in this turnaround process, but I still believe the region can be fixed.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Napoleon on June 26, 2011, 11:21:32 AM
I was. It is my wish that the Northeast turns itself around, as it will benefit the entire game as a result. Jake Matthews resigning is certainly blow in this turnaround process, but I still believe the region can be fixed.

If you were looking forward to it so much, why threaten to destroy his career?

You are an embarrassment to your office.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 26, 2011, 11:39:25 AM
I was. It is my wish that the Northeast turns itself around, as it will benefit the entire game as a result. Jake Matthews resigning is certainly blow in this turnaround process, but I still believe the region can be fixed.

If you were looking forward to it so much, why threaten to destroy his career?

You are an embarrassment to your office.
I would never threaten to destroy his career. When he was down yesterday, I sent him several encouraging pm's, telling him that if he could successfully turn around the Northeast, he could even be President one day.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Napoleon on June 26, 2011, 11:40:27 AM
You make me laugh bro.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Jake Matthews Resigns as Northeast Governor!
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 26, 2011, 12:16:45 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel

I'm going to go ahead and bring this out into the open, since I'm sure many people are now curious as to what's going on.

I am being accused of forcing Jake Matthews to invalidate his vote.

I will admit here and now, I sent Jake Matthews a personal message asking him to change his vote to Marokai Blue, and I explained to him why I felt he should do this. However, I sent that message to him just minutes after he voted, with the hopes he'd read it before the 20 minutes had elapsed. Unfortunately, he logged out just moments after he voted. The practice of trying to get someone to edit their vote before 20 minutes had expired has been long practiced in Atlasia, and I believe that I did nothing illegal.

Later in the evening, or maybe it was the next day (I honestly don't know), I talked with Jake Matthews about this, and let him know I was extremely upset that he voted for Napoleon, considering he wants to abolish the biggest piece of legislation in my administration - The Game Reform Act of 2011. At one point, he sent me a message telling me he would change his vote, knowing it would be invalidated. I immediately sent him a response telling him to wait, but he had already posted it.

I'm sorry in any way if my anger towards Jake Matthews changes the outcome of an election or if it was the reason for him leaving - that was honestly not my intent. I've also been told impeachment charges are being planned against me for campaigning for votes as elective administrator. I honestly did not know I wasn't supposed to be doing this, but if it's true, I have no problem admitting that I did it. Though I think impeachment trials are almost unnecessary considering my term ends in less than a week.

What I did was wrong, I shouldn't have acted how I did to Jake Matthews. It absolutely was not professional or nice of me, and I apologize for that. I have already sent an apology to Jake Matthews for being angry towards him, and I hope he accepts this apology. He has always been a good and loyal friend to me.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Jake Matthews Resigns as Northeast Governor!
Post by: Napoleon on June 26, 2011, 12:24:19 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel

I'm going to go ahead and bring this out into the open, since I'm sure many people are now curious as to what's going on.

I am being accused of forcing Jake Matthews to invalidate his vote.

I will admit here and now, I sent Jake Matthews a personal message asking him to change his vote to Marokai Blue, and I explained to him why I felt he should do this. However, I sent that message to him just minutes after he voted, with the hopes he'd read it before the 20 minutes had elapsed. Unfortunately, he logged out just moments after he voted. The practice of trying to get someone to edit their vote before 20 minutes had expired has been long practiced in Atlasia, and I believe that I did nothing illegal.

Later in the evening, or maybe it was the next day (I honestly don't know), I talked with Jake Matthews about this, and let him know I was extremely upset that he voted for Napoleon, considering he wants to abolish the biggest piece of legislation in my administration - The Game Reform Act of 2011. At one point, he sent me a message telling me he would change his vote, knowing it would be invalidated. I immediately sent him a response telling him to wait, but he had already posted it.

I'm sorry in any way if my anger towards Jake Matthews changes the outcome of an election or if it was the reason for him leaving - that was honestly not my intent. I've also been told impeachment charges are being planned against me for campaigning for votes as elective administrator. I honestly did not know I wasn't supposed to be doing this, but if it's true, I have no problem admitting that I did it. Though I think impeachment trials are almost unnecessary considering my term ends in less than a week.

What I did was wrong, I shouldn't have acted how I did to Jake Matthews. It absolutely was not professional or nice of me, and I apologize for that. I have already sent an apology to Jake Matthews for being angry towards him, and I hope he accepts this apology. He has always been a good and loyal friend to me.


Impeachment may not be necessary, but hopefully the four month office holding ban can be put into effect. Ignorance of the law is no defense.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Jake Matthews Resigns as Northeast Governor!
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 26, 2011, 12:27:40 PM

Impeachment may not be necessary, but hopefully the four month office holding ban can be put into effect. Ignorance of the law is no defense.
Whoever said it was defense?


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on June 26, 2011, 12:42:21 PM
I find it interesting, Napoleon, that you seem so dead set on destroying all the parts of Atlasia that make it function.  Repealing the Game Reform, trying to prevent one of the few active Atlasians from holding office, etc.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: ZuWo on June 26, 2011, 12:42:51 PM
Thank you for responding so quickly to these allegations, which were unfortunately uttered with too harsh words. This will definitely help to clarify the case. :)


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Yelnoc on June 26, 2011, 12:44:30 PM
Voter intimidation is a very serious charge. I suppose it's for the best that you are not running for reelection. That said, I don't see how Jake's vote could be counted; the 20 minute law is a Long-standing, well tried statute. No one gains from a lawsuit so let's just move on and hope that Jake comes back.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 26, 2011, 12:44:40 PM
I find it interesting, Napoleon, that you seem so dead set on destroying all the parts of Atlasia that make it function.  Repealing the Game Reform, trying to prevent one of the few active Atlasians from holding office, etc.
Regardless of whether or not I'm an active Atlasian, we can't completely ignore the law. If there is legal evidence that election administrators are not supposed to do any campaigning, I must accept that and deal with the consequences.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Napoleon on June 26, 2011, 12:44:59 PM
The activity in question is criminal activity. I should care, as I'd be winning my Senate race were it not for the President's disgusting voter intimidation.

Voter intimidation is a very serious charge. I suppose it's for the best that you are not running for reelection. That said, I don't see how Jake's vote could be counted; the 20 minute law is a Long-standing, well tried statute. No one gains from a lawsuit so let's just move on and hope that Jake comes back.

I'm sure there is a good reason legislation was crafted to criminalize these actionsa. It may just affect the election outcome.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on June 26, 2011, 12:46:24 PM
The law is the law. Active or not, we can't start applying it people based on how active they are. If these allegations are correct, the law was broken.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Napoleon on June 26, 2011, 12:49:58 PM
It has been brought to my attention that this was not an isolated incident. The President should resign.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Rowan on June 26, 2011, 12:53:03 PM
Finally something interesting going on in Atlasia!


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 26, 2011, 12:53:50 PM
Finally something interesting going on in Atlasia!
My whole intent. :P


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Barnes on June 26, 2011, 01:16:16 PM
Sue! Sue! Sue! :P

Also, it doesn't matter to me who wins the Senate race. But the law should be served. And knowing Marokai, I think he'd agree.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 26, 2011, 02:26:48 PM
OMG, what a sh*tstorm...

Whatever has actually happened, I'm confident in my friend Tmthforu's good faith and I hope all this story will be resolved in a mature and rational way. Of course if the law has been broken there needs to be a trial. And I just hope the final election result won't be determinated by such a regrettable incident.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Insula Dei on June 26, 2011, 02:51:14 PM
If tmth is condemned, does that mean I automatically become a Senator?


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 26, 2011, 02:53:51 PM
If tmth is condemned, does that mean I automatically become a Senator?
No. Even if a case has been brought against me, I don't know of any law that says you can't be certified the winner of an election if you have a lawsuit against you. If I never take office, A-Bob would appoint someone to the seat. If I take office, then have to vacate it, A-Bob would still appoint someone to the seat.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: ZuWo on June 26, 2011, 02:54:27 PM
If tmth is condemned, does that mean I automatically become a Senator?

I could imagine that a special election would be held, or the Governor of the Mideast could appoint a Senator. I hope both measures won't be necessary, though.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: homelycooking on June 26, 2011, 05:14:20 PM
A disgusting scene, really. Does Marokai have any comment?


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 26, 2011, 06:31:25 PM
A disgusting scene, really. Does Marokai have any comment?

I've been away for the day until now. Lots of family issues going on around home.

First off I just want to make it clear that I PMed alot of people to vote, but I backed off if they weren't going to vote for me and just moved on to other people. Any attempt to try and connect this to me would be silly.

If Tmth sent a PM to Jake within the first 20 minutes of his vote to try and get him to change his vote, then I see nothing inappropriate. There's been cases in the past where people have PMed individuals to change their vote and they didn't change it in time or didn't realize the time constraints. Jake, in particular, has always seemed a little.. off the wall himself anyway. I otherwise know nothing about the details of what went on behind the scene.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on June 26, 2011, 06:47:20 PM
Jake, in particular, has always seemed a little.. off the wall himself anyway.

How so?


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 26, 2011, 06:47:53 PM

You're just young, that's all. :P


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 28, 2011, 10:17:59 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Poll: Which Would You Prefer?
By Tmthforu94

For the past three days, the Atlasian Sentinel has been running a poll, asking citizens if they preferred a hotly contested election or one where their candidate easily won. The results are in!

65% of those polled said they prefer competitive elections, while just 29% preferred where their candidate easily won. 6% said they didn't like either. This is just about what I expected, though I'm sure the numbers would be much different if this was about a race you were actually in, not just someone you supported.

An interesting observation - those who would rather their candidate win easily must not feel comfortable sharing this, as no one who made a reply said they preferred this race. Everyone who responded were either not sure or preferred competitive elections.

While cakewalks may be relieving to the candidate (I speak from experience), contested elections are certainly much better for the game - turnout is higher and more are interested in the game. I can't imagine how inactive this last election would have been if I didn't have my scandal! :P

You can visit the poll by clicking here (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=137315.0).


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 29, 2011, 09:30:12 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
President-elect Polnut Begins Assembling Cabinet
By Tmthforu94

Yesterday, President-elect Polnut began one of the most difficult processes a President must endure - assembling a cabinet. One of the most unenjoyable parts for me as President was the whole cabinet thing. Don't get me wrong, it's very essential for a cabinet, but difficult to assemble.

Back in February, when I was assembling my cabinet (I feel like this is shop class), there was only one position where I had multiple people contact me about. And for many positions, I had to personally recruit people to take a spot.

During my administration, I went through 3 Attorney General's, 2 Secretary of Internal Affairs, and 2 Game Moderator's. Almost every time a position became vacant, I had to personally reach out to anyone who I thought may be interested in it - no one ever really came to me. I've contacted quite a few people for the SoIA position, and not one of them would take it.

Napoleon, along with others, have stated many times we need to reduce the size of the cabinet, and that would honestly be great. The big problem with that, though, is when we merge positions, people won't take want to fill the spots. If we merged the SoFE and RG, like it used to be, we'd once again have extreme difficulties in filling the position and would be often stuck with people who couldn't always keep up. Probably the most important thing The Game Moderator Reform Act of 2011 did was make the GM position more desirable by giving it less power. Go figure.

President-elect Polnut: Congratulations! :) It's relieving to know I'll be handing the power over to someone who is just as dedicated to this game as I am. I'm going to give you a warning though - don't be surprised if you'll have several cabinet vacancies throughout your term. I thought I had a stellar cabinet too when I first announced it, but vacancies occurred within weeks of my swearing in.

For anyone who may be interested, here is the beginning of The Polnut Administration!

President - Polnut
Vice President - Bacon King
SoFE - Teddy
RG - Hans
SoEA - Benconstine
SoIA - Barnes
AG - TBD
Game Moderator - RowanBrandon
MG - TBD
Game Reform Panel (Great idea, btw) - Marokai Blue, BelgianSocialist


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on June 29, 2011, 10:32:50 PM
Yay!  I'm essentially Atlasia's version of Bob Gates!


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Napoleon on June 29, 2011, 10:35:40 PM
Yay!  I'm essentially Atlasia's version of Bob Gates!

HP, as I would vote for any other warmonger.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 29, 2011, 10:39:33 PM
Yay!  I'm essentially Atlasia's version of Bob Gates!


;)


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on June 30, 2011, 06:32:19 PM

Wait, I'm a warmonger?  That seems a bit harsh, Senator.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Napoleon on June 30, 2011, 06:39:18 PM

I was simply posting my opinion of Robert Gates, someone I wouldn't like to compare myself to, although I understand you were basing the comparison off of the caregiver.

I haven't seen you warmonger but if I recall you called for harsh action against Libya. That may have been someone else though, as I was relatively new.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on July 01, 2011, 03:36:06 PM
I haven't seen you warmonger but if I recall you called for harsh action against Libya. That may have been someone else though, as I was relatively new.

So calling for tough action and the removal of a brutal dictator is warmongering?  Good to know.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on July 05, 2011, 09:31:28 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Voters Find SoEA Least Importation Position
By Tmthforu94

Over the course of three days, The Atlasian Sentinel conducted a poll to find out which cabinet position Atlasians felt was the least important.

13 citizens cast their vote, and the position that has been voted least important is the Secretary of External Affairs, which received 54% of the vote. Coming in second was the Secretary of Internal Affairs, with 31%, followed by the SoFE and AG, both receiving 8% of the vote.

As I promised in the poll, I'll state my own vote, which was actually in a minority here - I voted for SoIA. I actually find all positions to be fairly important to the game, but I feel that both the SoEA and SoIA are positions we could theoretically live without. Of those two, I have to vote for SoIA, considering over time, the SoIA has had less relevance. My opinion of this position could change, however, with Barnes as SoIA. Barnes shows real promise to the position, and hopefully thanks to the Game Moderator Reform Act of 2011, introduced by my administration, he'll be able to fully bring the SoIA position into relevance.

On top of my vote for SoIA, I expected SoIA to narrowly edge out SoEA, but it looks like I was wrong. It's tough to determine how this reflects Atlasia as a whole though, considering less than 10% of the population votes in it.

You can visit the poll by clicking here (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=137525.0).

(I look forward to SoEA Benconstine's response to this ;) )


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on July 05, 2011, 10:17:47 PM
I mean, I've always known this was the public view; look at how little attention my posts get.  And SoEA rotates between me and Hashemite, essentially - the last time neither of us held the job was in March of 2010.  We're the only ones willing to take this job, apparently.

My biggest problem is getting people to give a damn; if more people cared, and there was more activity, then SoEA would become much more important.  So yeah, given the level of attention paid to it now, SoEA has a big problem - that nobody cares.  I've done my best to change that, and last Senate clearly paid some level of attention; I hope that is indicative of more activity in the future.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on July 11, 2011, 03:18:36 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Marokai Blue Takes Over as Game Moderator
By Tmthforu94

Yesterday, the Senate voted to confirm former Attorney General, Senator, Supreme Court Justice, Vice President (did I miss anything?) Marokai Blue by a vote of 6-2-1. This was certainly not a party line vote, as Antonio, Yankee, Officepark, Fuzzy, Duke, and Snowguy voted in favor, while Napoleon and Shua voted against. Bgwah abstained. The Atlasian Sentinel finds Marokai Blue very qualified for the position, and wonders what the breakdown would have been if Marokai Blue was in the JCP or even UDL.

Marokai has gotten off to a hot start as Game Moderator, giving us a budget update, tax brackets, unemployment numbers, and other financial news. It'll be interesting to see if he can keep it up. The future looks bright in Atlasian storytelling, with Marokai Blue, Barnes, and Benconstine all hard at work. We look forward to seeing the progress that is made in the coming months.



Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on July 14, 2011, 03:31:04 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Polnut Starts Presidency With Strong Approval Ratings
By Tmthforu94

For the past three days, the Atlasian Sentinel ran a poll to determine the approval ratings of President Polnut. The answer is clear - the honeymoon is clearly not over yet for Polnut. Over 69% of Atlasians approval of the job President Polnut is doing, while 13% disapprove. Nearly half of Atlasia, 44%, strongly approve of the job Polnut is doing.

Polnut has clearly started off well, staying active, making several speeches, assembling a strong cabinet, and starting a game reform committee. It is my hopes that Polnut keeps it up. It'll be interesting to see if Polnut's upcoming tax proposal does anything to his ratings, as well as other policy goals the President has.


Title: Re: Atlasian Sentinel: Interview with Senate Candidate JBrase
Post by: tmthforu94 on July 14, 2011, 10:25:44 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Interview with Senate Candidate JBrase
By Tmthforu94

Thank you, JBrase, for your willingness to participate in a debate. Unfortunately, we weren't able to get all of the candidates together for one, so I'll just have to give you an interview instead. :)



Tmthforu94: What led you to your decision to run in this Special Election?

JBrase: I saw this as a chance to help bring activity back to the Senate. I also see this as an opertunity to help in efforts to reform Atlasia into a much more pleasant and prosperous place for all.

Tmthforu94: You speak of activity, however, during my administration, you had to step down just weeks after taking the position of SoIA due to lack of activity. I don't think any stories were ever published under your reign. How can we trust that you'll be fully devoted to your job and will stay active the remainder of your term?

JBrase: When I had accepted the postion I felt I would be able to have the time to do the job justice. However due to work and classes I was much less active than I would have liked, so out of respect for that office I would have rather resigned than continue to let the office go to waste. I do not have the issues with time as I once did and for that I will not allow myself to simply show up for final votes on bills, but to be an active participant.

Tmthforu94: That's good to hear. What would you say will be your top legislative goal if you're in the Senate? Do you have plans to introduce pieces of legislation while in the Senate?

JBrase: Well I have two that come to mind:
1. Allow the Regions to run their own Senate elections.
2. Give the people more influence in Presidential nominations.
   
That second one I have already started paving the way for in the form of my recently passed IDS law, the "Our Opinions Matter Dag Nabbit! Act" which has the IDS legislature hold a vote on whether or not we approve of the nominee, the results would then be handed to the senate with a brief statement from the winning side of the vote.

Tmthforu94: Tonight President Polnut unveiled his plans for cutting government spending, as well as a mixture of tax hikes and cuts. Thoughts on it?

JBrase: From what I have seen, I applaud the President's efforts to reign in spending without massive lay-offs. This is a good start and I support his efforts.

Tmthforu94: In President Polnut's address, he also brought up tax increases for the higher-brackets, who many on the right would argue are already paying insanely high prices. Would you support raising their taxes more?

JBrase: Not at all, but at the same time I am not calling for 0% tax either. I would like to see the taxes lower and flatter, but that simply cannot happen until the spending is reduced first.

Tmthforu94: Is there a specific area of government you'd like to see reduced?

JBrase: Well across the board every part of government can find some area to save money, but I would focus on defense spending to find the deepest cuts.

Tmthforu94: If you win this special election, do you plan on running for a full term in August?

JBrase: If I do happen to win, and voters seem to approve of time in office then it would not be out of the question.

Tmthforu94: Do you have plans to join a political party in the near future, or even create your own?

JBrase: I had thought of creating a party in the past, for independent minded Atlasians focused on reform, but there did not seem to be much interest in a new party. I am happy as an Indy, and if elected as an independent, I promise to remain independent of party throughout my term.

Tmthforu94: One final question, not really related to Atlasia...Casey Anthony, guilty, or innocent?

JBrase: The jury found her not guilty. So, regardless of whether she commuted the crime if not, she is not guilty. If she is innocent however is not and will likely never be known.

Tmthforu94: Thank you, JBrase. It was a pleasure interviewing you. :)

JBrase: Thank you for the interview my good sir. I only regret not being able to debate with the others.

...

If any other Senate candidates would like to be interviewed, even though the election begins very very soon, please contact me ASAP and we can work something out. :)


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on July 16, 2011, 01:31:28 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
JBrase off to Strong Start in Special Election
By Tmthforu94

I think we all expected this to be an unpredictable election, with neither of Atlasia's two largest parties having a candidate on the ballot. The campaign featured a libertarian Independent in JBrase, who many thought would have a hard time finding a strong coalition due to a tense relationship with the RPP, and TexasGurl, someone who hasn't hidden her distaste for Bgwah and the JCP. Additionally, Homelycooking, the Independent Speaker of the Northeast, and Meeker, a JCPer, ran write-in campaigns.

The election, thus far, has gone extremely well for JBrase. Similar to how I was able to win in February, JBrase is winning due to a divided and bickering left, though it's working even more to his advantage as it's happening during the election, while the bickering in my race happened weeks before. JBrase is winning over many of the "swing voters" needed to win a race as a righty in Atlasia. If turnout remains strong on the right and RPPers continue to vote for JBrase, I think we'll have a pretty good idea who's going to win this race hours before polls close. Current tallies have JBrase up by 7, with a large number of RPP members yet to vote.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: homelycooking on July 16, 2011, 09:29:34 PM
Jbrase leads by ten votes (31-21, or 58%-40%), with 53 votes in.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on July 17, 2011, 10:33:53 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel

So I can say we projected the results before polls closed...

The Atlasian Sentinel projects that JBrase will win the at-large Senate Special Election over TexasGurl in the final round by a comfortable margin. This is certainly a huge victory for the right, as they now hold a majority of at-large seats, for the first time in, well, as long as I can remember. It will be interesting to see if they can keep them all in the Senate at the August elections.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: homelycooking on July 17, 2011, 10:49:27 PM
Jbrase leads by nine (36-27, or 55%-41%), with 66 votes in. That's presumably the final result.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 18, 2011, 09:41:14 AM
WE NEED MAPS!!!! :P


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: homelycooking on July 18, 2011, 09:51:06 AM
I'll get on it soon.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on July 24, 2011, 10:37:46 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Mixed Results for President Polnut
By Tmthforu94

Earlier in the month, the Atlasian Sentinel did a poll showing President Polnut with very high approval ratings, with over 60% of Atlasians approving of his job. However, that didn't quite translate into successes in head-to-head matchups, as there is still an obvious partisan divide in Atlasia.

President Polnut has posted strong leads over former Senator RowanBrandon, former President Tmthforu94, and Mideast Governor A-Bob, but none of these candidates are likely to run. The two strongest candidates, both who have been potentials in the past, are Yankee and Duke. President Polnut posted a narrow, 4 vote lead over Senator Duke. However, against PPT North Carolina Yankee, Polnut finds himself trailing the popular Senator. Other polling firms have confirmed our results on this as well.

If Polnut keeps it up, he should be safe for reelection...that is, as long as North Carolina Yankee isn't his opponent.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on July 27, 2011, 09:12:06 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
President Polnut Releases Tax Plan - Wants to CUT Taxes
By Tmthforu94

I want to open this thread straight up for discussion regarding the President's proposed taxes, will add my insight throughout the debate. ;) Needless to say, this is a step in the right direction, but I believe more spending cuts are also needed.

ps... forgive formatting.

()

PRESS RELEASE

The President's Tax Policy

Please note that further economic modeling has meant some change

Corporate Taxation
At a time when unemployment is a huge weight on our ability to rejuvenate our economy, we need to make sure that business, and especially small businesses are able to direct more funds towards bringing on more people and ending the cycle of low business confidence.

The current system

Corporate Taxes:
Percentage of:   Taxable Income
15%             $0 - $50,000
25%            $50,000 - $75,000
34%            $75,000 - $100,000
39%                   $100,000 - $335,000
34%              $335,000 - $10,000,000
35%            $10,000,000 - $15,000,000
38%            $15,000,000 - $18,333,333
35%            $18,333,333+

The new proposal

Corporate Taxes:   
   
Percentage of:   Taxable Income
12%                  $0 - $50,000
23%                  $50,000 - $75,000
30%                  $75,000 - $100,000
31%                  $100,000 - $335,000
33%                  $335,000 - $10,000,000
34%                  $10,000,000 - $15,000,000
35%            $15,000,000 +
There is understanding that many will not be pleased by any reduction in corporate taxation, but I ask that two considerations are undertaken.  The first is that we need jobs to be created in the private sector, we can only do so much from Government. The second is that these cuts will not be instituted until the Senate has passed a Bill closing corporate tax loopholes – so the practical Budgetary impacts will be minimal in relation to physical government revenue.

Personal income tax

Percentage of:     Single Individual
0%                    $0 - $8,025
14%                   $8,026 - $32,550
25%            $32,551 - $78,850
28%                   $78,851 - $164,550
35%                   $164,551 - $367,700
41%             $367,701 - $1,000,000
50%                   $1,000,001 - $2,500,000
60%             $2,500,001+
Proposed changes

Percentage of:   Single Individual
0%           $0 - $9,500
13%     $9,501 - $35,000
24%           $35,001 - $80,000
28%    $80,001 - $170,000
35%    $170,001 - $367,700
41%      $367,701 - $1,000,000
50%*   $1,000,001 - $2,500,000
60%*   $2,500,001+

*I am anticipating reducing those top two brackets to 49% and 58% respectively, but not until the economic situation has stablilised.

These rates and brackets will be carried across to apply equally to couples who file their taxes jointly - however, they do not apply to those couples who file separately.

I have decided to not raise taxation on those two upper-levels. Further modeling has determined that this would have a negligible impact on the Budget.

The short-term impacts of these changes may mean that the deficit may be increased ever-so-slightly, but the medium-long-term impacts are to provide incentives for business to get hiring again- and that can only have a positive effect on our economy and the country’s prosperity going forward.



Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on July 27, 2011, 09:15:20 PM
I have made my spending-cuts clear - that work is currently being carried out at a departmental level.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 28, 2011, 06:03:29 AM
Why should we cut taxes while we have a deficits issue ? And why should we cut spendings while we are under the threat of a recession ?


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on July 28, 2011, 06:24:40 AM
I should stress, what I stressed in all of my speeches about this - I directed that government spending cuts would be strategic - they could not lead to lay-offs and could not end effective stimulus programs.

There is method to my madness - we are on the way to lower deficits, but we have some broader issues

- high unemployment, the private sector is depressed and needs more incentive to hire - Government stimulus can only do so much. Also, we need to encourage more people into paid employment.

- Consider the corporate tax cuts will be matched with closing the loopholes, so the Budget impacts will be balanced.

I've thought long and hard about these options, and I've thought about what would address that I think are the key economic issues

1. Increase business confidence
2. Lower unemployment
3. Maintain reduction in the deficit
4. Lower the debt


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 28, 2011, 06:33:04 AM
Makes sense. Aren't there some government sectors (like social security, even though my bill is probably dead right now) where a spending increase would actually be necessary ?


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on August 08, 2011, 09:53:30 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel

Announcement: The Atlasian Sentinel will soon be conducting an exclusive (and I believe first since he became President) interview with President Polnut. It should be posted publicly in the coming days.

:)


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on August 08, 2011, 10:26:08 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Snowguy Introduces a Good Bill!
(Sorry, went brain-dead on a title ;) )
By Tmthforu94

Submitted on behalf of constituent Tmth:

Campaigning for Invalidation of Votes Act Amendment

Section 1 of the Campaigning for Invalidation of Votes Act shall be amended to read:

1. It shall be a crime against the Republic of Atlasia for any citizen to instruct or encourage a voter who has already cast his or her ballot to take an action that would have the effect of invalidating the ballot.

2. For the purposes of this statute, federal election shall extend to (but is not limited to) any election for President, Vice-President or Senator, any federal impeachment vote, and any public vote sanctioned by Law which requires that an officer of the federal government administer it.

3. The instruction or encouragement of a voter shall be interpreted to include any action which indicates the possibility of invalidating a vote to affect a federal election.

^^^This was a bill I had brought into discussion about a month ago, but I never really took it past that. I reckoned earlier tonight that this is something I should bring back to attention, and thankfully, I got a Senator to sponsor this for me. :)

What does this bill do? Essentially, it makes it illegal for anyone to campaign for the invalidation of votes, not just the election administrator. If campaigning for the invalidation of votes is so bad for an administrator to do, why should a regular citizen be able to do the same thing? I looked to the original thread of passage to the bill, and I saw what I expected - a couple Senators said they supported it, no real debate occurred or possible amendments, and it was passed (Only Sam Spade voted against it). Unfortunately, the original sponsor, Sensei, hasn't been around for quite some time, so we may never get a full explanation of why he only included election administrators.

Now, I understand there will probably be fresh attacks on me over this, after all, this all came to light over "Invaligate". Despite what you may think of me, I do have a passion for this game and want to see it improved in every way possible. I'm willing to take several hits likely to happen from certain people if Atlasia is improved as a result of this. Though small, I think this would be an improvement in the way the game is played.

Any discussion regarding this proposed bill is welcome in this thread, as it will likely not make it to the Senate floor for a while.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: ZuWo on August 09, 2011, 03:34:20 AM
If I were a Senator, the bill would have my vote. It will help to spare us future scandals connected with federal elections. :)


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 09, 2011, 06:54:57 AM
Isn't it already illegal to campaign for invalidation ? ???


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on August 09, 2011, 11:33:53 AM
Isn't it already illegal to campaign for invalidation ? ???
Only for election administrators. I could do it now and it would be perfectly legal.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 09, 2011, 11:38:40 AM
Isn't it already illegal to campaign for invalidation ? ???
Only for election administrators. I could do it now and it would be perfectly legal.

That's weird, I remembered it was illegal for anyone.


If you want I can introduce this bill on your behalf. ;)


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on August 09, 2011, 11:41:52 AM
Isn't it already illegal to campaign for invalidation ? ???
Only for election administrators. I could do it now and it would be perfectly legal.

That's weird, I remembered it was illegal for anyone.


If you want I can introduce this bill on your behalf. ;)
Yeah, I originally thought that too, but then when I looked closely at the wording, it appears to be only for someone who could be an election administrator. Snowguy has already introduced this for me. :)


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on August 09, 2011, 11:07:46 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Interview with President Polnut
By Tmthforu94

Today, Tmthfour94 sat down with President Polnut.

Describe the period of time between February and May, 2011. You had just lost a gubernatorial race against someone whose campaign wasn’t nearly as active as yours. What was your plan going forward?  Did you consider leaving the game? What led you to run for President?

I certainly was not anticipating winning in the Northeast - I honestly believe I did as well as I could have in that region at that time.

I never considered leaving Atlasia because of losing a pretty much un-winnable election. I left the Northeast and moved to the Pacific, that was my only real reaction to the loss.

Well, I had run unsuccessfully for President before, so I know what it took to run. I had made the decision probably by late March that I was ready to run again and that I had the pragmatic agenda I felt the country really needed.

Unless I simply missed it, I believe no Senator has introduced your tax plan yet. Can we expect that to be introduced within the coming days, or are you waiting for a later time to do such?

I released my proposal, as sort of an exposure draft. 'Here's what I'm proposing to do, I'm going to give you all a chance to read over it and see what you think'. I'm still having discussions with people about those proposals, just to make sure that it will have the best possible chance of passing. I imagine the Senate will be looking at it formally shortly.

Currently, several African nations are considering petitioning to join the GTO. Would you be supportive of their entrance?

I believe GTO admission is a great thing for a country's future, and assuming they intend to adjust and make changes to ensure that they follow the principles of the GTO's mission, then I'm fully supportive.

One thing your campaign promised was making the GTO Ambassador solely appointed by the SoEA, not just a recommendation with the President’s approval required as it is now. Will you make sure this passes soon? And on the subject of GTO Ambassador, would you have signed a recently debated law abolishing the position?

While I understand this is of great concern to you and the SoEA, this is not a major priority at this stage. It would be primarily an issue of symbolism as most recommendations from the SoEA to the President are supported. But I will be negotiating with Senators to put that before the Senate before the end of the my current term.

I would not have supported the Bill if it had passed.

While we’re on the subject of foreign policy, what’s it like to have a SoEA who is very different from you, ideological-wise?

Ben and I have different views on foreign policy sometimes. I certainly had some people ask me why I asked him to stay on as SoEA when there are such stark differences. But Ben and I respect each other and the positions we hold. I also kept him on because he really has enthusiasm for the role.

When there is a disagreement, Ben has every right as my key foreign policy adviser to advise me, in fact I ask for his input and expect it. But as a part of the team, I expect him to support and advocate the decision I've made as President and Commander-in-Chief. He's done a great job, and I thank him especially when it must have been difficult for him.

Senate elections are starting to get boring. At the regional level, every region is pretty locked in at least which type of ideology their Senator will have, minus the Northeast. Little campaigning has been done in recent At-Large Senate elections, and it appears the same is shaping up for this election. Any idea’s for ways we could possibly shake up the way we elect our Senators?

I think regional and political polarization are big issues for the future of the country.

The Northeast is an interesting example, it was only when Eraser won last year that there was a small crack in what was seen as an impenetrable POP wall. I think in some ways you need to accept the stagnation that inevitably comes along from time to time. In most liberal democracies, there are very few genuinely competitive elections - especially when you're talking about for a legislature.

I think finding more ways to 'mix-up' the game sometimes prevents you from playing it... if that makes sense.

The political dynamics will always change, it's just sometimes it takes longer than we'd like.

What are your current thoughts on your Vice President’s activity level?

The Vice President has been active, just not always publicly. We have pretty regular discussions and he's been engaging positively in the Senate.

Who would you say is your favorite Senator, currently? Who has disappointed you the most?

That's a loaded question, lol.

It's also more personal than I generally approach politics with. I can't think of a Senator that I don't think is a decent person who wants to work hard for their constituents. I certainly disagree politically with many over some issues, from both left and right.

While I hope the Senators support my agenda, it's really not my place to say who I think are good and not so good at their jobs, that's for their constituents to say.

I personally won't comment on that, considering we have pretty varying opinions there. ;)

Regarding the election of Senators, would you personally rather have an active Senator who may disagree with you often ideology-wise, or a less-active Senator who’d vote however you wanted him to?


I think debate is important, and this Senate has been incredibly active on that front. I think opposition that isn't constructive is a bad thing for the country, but I generally don't see that.

I understand some ideological immovability, I know the debate over our troop deployments has given opportunities for the left  and libertarian right to advocate we leave ASAP. When you're president, you're mindful of the duty you have to every single citizen, also to the armed forces, our allies and the people of the country you're involved with... it's a really tough balancing act. What I think as a person is largely immaterial in comparison to what I HAVE to do.

While it would be easier as president to have a Senate that just agrees with you, it would be a very bad thing for our democracy.

Generally speaking, what is your opinion of the Northeast Region now, and do you think the region has a chance at becoming stable and successful?

I have a real soft-spot for the Northeast, I was in the Assembly for two terms and Speaker of the Assembly for one of them. I think you've seen in the last nine months a slow unraveling of the 'one-party state with token opposition' that the Northeast was for so long.

There are great people from across the political spectrum who really want the place to work, not just provide a political safe-haven for their party. I think this is the best chance the region has had in years.

Now, whether you want to think about it or not, October is just a couple months away. ;) Have you given any thought to your future plans, specifically whether or not you will run for reelection?

As you know, the decision to seek reelection is one that has to be made carefully.

I know a lot of people would have expected me to just say 'of course I'm running again' - but I won't say that. My mind really hasn't turned to that issue yet.

As president, you need to be active and you need to be able to devote a lot of time to the job.

So I suppose as I get closer to the time I would be asking myself some questions
Can I maintain my levels of activity?
Have I been as effective as I wanted to be?
If yes, can I keep it up?
If no, can I make a difference to that?
What can I offer the Atlasian people?

I am anticipating making an announcement, one way or another in early September.



Special thanks to Polnut for seeking us out on the interview and responding quickly. :) Hopefully we'll be able to interview him again in the future.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Discuss Debate Here!
Post by: tmthforu94 on August 15, 2011, 09:36:44 AM
I changed my mind! :P

Instead of creating a new thread to discuss the Senate Debate, I figured we might as well save some space and do it here. :)

So yeah, feel free to give your input on how the debate is going.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Junkie on August 18, 2011, 09:26:04 AM
I read that you wanted all comments on the debate in this thread.  I have to say, amazing debate.  The last round of questions were great and wide-ranging and the responses by all the candidates informed and thoughtful.  I actually have a problem.  The questions covered a wide range of topics.  During each candidates response I found myself saying "totally agree" and thought maybe I had my first preference.  Then later within those same answers found something that I disagreed with and decided that maybe someone else should be number 1.

I am left with a real issue.  I agree with each candidate on a issue very important to me and also disagree on an issue very important to me.  Great debate, great candidates.  Honestly, I kind of want to first preference everybody and also not first preference everybody.  This honest and thoughtful discussion really makes this game for me.

Great job everyone.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 18, 2011, 04:34:56 PM
I read that you wanted all comments on the debate in this thread.  I have to say, amazing debate.  The last round of questions were great and wide-ranging and the responses by all the candidates informed and thoughtful.  I actually have a problem.  The questions covered a wide range of topics.  During each candidates response I found myself saying "totally agree" and thought maybe I had my first preference.  Then later within those same answers found something that I disagreed with and decided that maybe someone else should be number 1.

I am left with a real issue.  I agree with each candidate on a issue very important to me and also disagree on an issue very important to me.  Great debate, great candidates.  Honestly, I kind of want to first preference everybody and also not first preference everybody.  This honest and thoughtful discussion really makes this game for me.

Great job everyone.

I've been pretty disappointed by it, but I guess I always am. I think nearly everyone in the debate opposed every specific proposal from the reform committee save one or two, which is what pretty much always happens the second you go from talking in game reform generalities to talking about specific changes. And thus, we'll end up with our current system for eternity.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Junkie on August 18, 2011, 04:40:15 PM
I read that you wanted all comments on the debate in this thread.  I have to say, amazing debate.  The last round of questions were great and wide-ranging and the responses by all the candidates informed and thoughtful.  I actually have a problem.  The questions covered a wide range of topics.  During each candidates response I found myself saying "totally agree" and thought maybe I had my first preference.  Then later within those same answers found something that I disagreed with and decided that maybe someone else should be number 1.

I am left with a real issue.  I agree with each candidate on a issue very important to me and also disagree on an issue very important to me.  Great debate, great candidates.  Honestly, I kind of want to first preference everybody and also not first preference everybody.  This honest and thoughtful discussion really makes this game for me.

Great job everyone.

I've been pretty disappointed by it, but I guess I always am. I think nearly everyone in the debate opposed every specific proposal from the reform committee save one or two, which is what pretty much always happens the second you go from talking in game reform generalities to talking about specific changes. And thus, we'll end up with our current system for eternity.

That is one area where I don't agree.  But as far as discussion of the issues, and questions that are wide ranging and force disagreement, the dabte has been great.

By the way, I am little angry.   Just saw your proposal to eliminate the joint Pres/VP ticket.  It is something that occurred to me last night.  Was going to mention something about it, and saw your proposal for the first time.  I am just not  quick enough.  Great idea though.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Napoleon on August 18, 2011, 04:44:09 PM
I read that you wanted all comments on the debate in this thread.  I have to say, amazing debate.  The last round of questions were great and wide-ranging and the responses by all the candidates informed and thoughtful.  I actually have a problem.  The questions covered a wide range of topics.  During each candidates response I found myself saying "totally agree" and thought maybe I had my first preference.  Then later within those same answers found something that I disagreed with and decided that maybe someone else should be number 1.

I am left with a real issue.  I agree with each candidate on a issue very important to me and also disagree on an issue very important to me.  Great debate, great candidates.  Honestly, I kind of want to first preference everybody and also not first preference everybody.  This honest and thoughtful discussion really makes this game for me.

Great job everyone.

I've been pretty disappointed by it, but I guess I always am. I think nearly everyone in the debate opposed every specific proposal from the reform committee save one or two, which is what pretty much always happens the second you go from talking in game reform generalities to talking about specific changes. And thus, we'll end up with our current system for eternity.
Apparently not only Senators have this problem.




Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 18, 2011, 04:44:42 PM
I read that you wanted all comments on the debate in this thread.  I have to say, amazing debate.  The last round of questions were great and wide-ranging and the responses by all the candidates informed and thoughtful.  I actually have a problem.  The questions covered a wide range of topics.  During each candidates response I found myself saying "totally agree" and thought maybe I had my first preference.  Then later within those same answers found something that I disagreed with and decided that maybe someone else should be number 1.

I am left with a real issue.  I agree with each candidate on a issue very important to me and also disagree on an issue very important to me.  Great debate, great candidates.  Honestly, I kind of want to first preference everybody and also not first preference everybody.  This honest and thoughtful discussion really makes this game for me.

Great job everyone.

I've been pretty disappointed by it, but I guess I always am. I think nearly everyone in the debate opposed every specific proposal from the reform committee save one or two, which is what pretty much always happens the second you go from talking in game reform generalities to talking about specific changes. And thus, we'll end up with our current system for eternity.

That is one area where I don't agree.  But as far as discussion of the issues, and questions that are wide ranging and force disagreement, the dabte has been great.

By the way, I am little angry.   Just saw your proposal to eliminate the joint Pres/VP ticket.  It is something that occurred to me last night.  Was going to mention something about it, and saw your proposal for the first time.  I am just not  quick enough.  Great idea though.

Hah, sorry. :P I'm always at work to come up with new crackpot reform ideas. The whole wiki editing contest thing came to me only as I sat down to write my contribution to the interim report.

I can't really take all credit for that though, I've opposed and supported and opposed again the idea of breaking up the P/VP ticket throughout my time in Atlasia when it was brought up by others, though I think I've finally settled on supporting the separation. I just seem to have finally settled in my views on this issue at a time where no one else is talking about the issue.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Junkie on August 18, 2011, 04:48:03 PM
Some I am years behind the curve on this one?  Well I guess I won't campaign as an original reform thinker. 


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 18, 2011, 04:55:59 PM
Some I am years behind the curve on this one?  Well I guess I won't campaign as an original reform thinker. 

It was only supported by a handful of people as a random idea. I only had to think about it so many times because when I first joined Atlasia it was the official position of the party I was in, and then a couple people brought it up in the Senate during my time there. It's an idea that's been kicked around, but never really taken seriously by most people. Thankfully I think momentum is building to do something with the Vice Presidency.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on August 18, 2011, 07:37:11 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
A Need for Compromise
By Tmthforu94

Sources close to the administration are telling the Atlasian Sentinel that talks between several Atlasian Senators and President Polnut have fallen flat. The President reportedly made several attempts to compromise by making concessions over Iraq and Afghanistan. However, the Senators could not find an agreement amongst themselves on a way to move forward.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on August 18, 2011, 07:55:42 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Senate Field Set
By Tmthforu94

Up until the last minute, the Senate Race looked pretty predictable with only 5 candidates running. However, late announcements have shaken up the race. Here is a short background and a bit of an analysis of each candidate:

Snowguy716: Snowguy, though a longtime resident of the Atlas forum, only started getting active in Atlasia recently. Snowguy first served as the appointed Midwest Senator, starting in November 2010, and then later became an at-large Senator. Senator Snowguy has a center-left voting record and has had strong activity as of late, though has been criticized in the past for missing votes. Snowguy is a member of the JCP.

ahduke99: Duke has been in the Senate for ages, and has had a strong record of activity in the Senate during his time there. Duke has a center-right voting record, being more conservative on economic issues. Duke is a member of the RPP.

Shua: Shua has served in the Senate for several terms as the at-large representative for the Populares. Shua has had a libertarian streak in the Senate, and like Duke, has a consistent record of activity.

JBrase: JBrase was just elected in a surprise upset in the July 2011 Special Election where he defeated TexasGurl and Meeker, many dubbing him as the "Scott Brown of Atlasia". While it's a bit early to accurately describe JBrase's voting record, he has been a very active Senator in his short time. JBrase is a member of the CID.

HomelyCooking: Homelycooking has played a big role in turning the Northeast around in the past few months, and also founded the surging Coalition of Independent Democrats Party.

Benconstine: Benconstine is one of the oldest Atlasian's of this bunch, and has served in many prominent positions, but never Senator. Ben describes himself as a foreign policy hawk, and is also pretty liberal on economic issues. Ben is a member of the CID.

BRTD: BRTD is running a last-minute write-in campaign. BRTD hasn't really been involved in Atlasia for a long time, and really hasn't established much of a platform or described his position on key issues in Atlasia. However, as the second JCP candidate in this race, The Atlasian Sentinel expects BRTD to have a pretty good chance at claiming an at-large seat. Though he may be the most active of any of these candidates on the forum at-large, he ranks last on activity in Atlasia.



The Atlasian Sentinel won't be making any endorsements in this Senate race. I think there are 5-6 very qualified candidates who will make great Senators. This will be a tough vote :P


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on August 23, 2011, 09:48:39 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
I'm quoting this post by President Polnut in this thread because I think it's important and people should read it. :)

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TRANSCRIPT


The President's remarks to airport press-conference, Cleveland Hopkins International Airport

Reporter: Mr President, is this visit the unofficial start of your re-election campaign?

President: *laughs* No, not at all. I have to decide whether I'm running again before conversations start about campaigns, official or unofficial.

Reporter: What are main issues you think the Mideast region is dealing with, that you could have an influence on?

President: Look, the entire nation is very slowly recovering from the fundamental economic shock from nearly 3 years ago. Considering how severe and deep those problems were and are, we are getting there. But unemployment is still far too high, too many people without jobs and too few businesses with the confidence to hire.

Reporter: Back in Nyman you are dealing with a sometimes hostile Senate, which is largely made of people from your own party, how does that make you feel?

President: What I feel is immaterial, I think both myself and all Senators know that what we do in our capacities, we do in those roles. The issues being debated are very important to people all over the country, so passion is expected and to be fair, a bit of a necessity. I don't think the Senate is actual hostile, no more than I am to them. It's a robust exchange of views and ideas and we need that in a democracy. But sometimes words are said that shouldn't be and passion overwhelms reason, but that's very human.

Reporter: Given what's going on in Libya right now, what are your hopes for your Troop Withdrawal plan being implemented over the more dare I say ambitious plan supported by Senators Napoleon and Snowguy?

President: I think what's going on in Libya is positive, but it's too early to claim any sort of victory, the rebel forces still need to do a lot of work before any sort of practical end game comes about.

In relation to the competing withdrawal plans, I think we do need to tone down the rhetoric and the temperature. I've said from the outset that our plans have the same end goal. We both want our troops extricated from the theatres. I do understand the position of those who want a more rapid withdrawal, but I want to know that they also understand where I'm coming from. The position my administration has come to, has been developed with the involvement of the highest levels of our military and diplomatic services. We can move out of Libya and Iraq the fastest, because our involvement is smaller and less crucial, but we need to realise that the Afghanistan theatre is the one that cannot be exited rapidly from without consequences. The situation on the ground is not stable enough. I truly hope some kind of compromise can be reached.

Reporter: If the current Bill passes the Senate, will you veto it?

President: I really hope I don't have to. I think some clear thinking and better understanding of each other's positions would cure a lot of the ills we're dealing with. But I've said that if I'm presented with a Bill that is militarily irresponsible or endangers the situation that so many have fought and died to achieve, then I will veto it. But, there are other options before a blanket veto. But in the end, I do respect the constitutional role for the Senate to declare war and reverse that declaration and to withdraw funding. I will not go beyond what are my constitutional powers but I will argue until I'm blue in the face for what is the better approach to our joint goal.

I think the first step is to calm down and work through our differences.

Guys, I've got to go, thanks.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on August 24, 2011, 09:32:09 AM
The Atlasian Sentinel
"It's believed the President may have struck a deal over troop deployments. Details are sketchy however, it is believed that while combat troops may be coming home sooner from some hotspots, greater flexibility will be given to localised stability and training forces"


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 01, 2011, 07:01:59 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Interview with Reagafan
By Tmthforu94


Today, The Atlasian Sentinel will be interviewing one of the older members in Atlasia, Reaganfan.

First off, Reaganfan, I’d like for you to have the chance to give a brief introduction on who you are/what you have done in Atlasia, since many of our new members may not be familiar with you exactly you are.


Well thank you for having me today. I began public service in Atlasia...geez...seven years ago. The game was new and the rules were much more loose so I found that getting involved was rather easy, but no doubt serving in public office was a challenge especially when trying to confront the difficult issues that face the people of the nation. I served as Senator from District 3 about six years ago after I defeated Senator and former President Nym, and that began a downward trend in my approval ratings and a witch-hunt began against me. As you know I was narrowly elected, I mean, that election was as close as close could get, and our get-out-the-vote efforts were far and away the most superior GOTV efforts ever to have been implemented in Atlasia at that time. This was within the rules of our laws and was justly used to increase awareness and participation, but of course when one side does it and wins the election, another side clearly was upset due to the defeat and that began the witch-hunt against me throughout my brief Senate career, leading to my decision that the best thing I could do for the people of my district was to step aside. I was elected Lieutenant Governor of the Southeast region, and later ascended to the Governorship to which I was elected to my own term unopposed. Again the partisanship atmosphere did me in and I decided that my best bet would be to retire from public life.

What has been your proudest accomplishment in Atlasia?


Helping elect President PBrunsel. I don't think Atlasia has had such a distinguished politician that was as impeccable and articulate and had such a tremendous love for this nation as did PBrunsel. I mean from his whistle-stop tours to his amazing speeches and addresses to the nation, deciding not to seek re-election as President which was for all intents and purposes in the bag, it was just an amazing administration and I think that whatever I did to help contribute to that would be my most proud accomplishment.

When you look at how Atlasia was years ago and how it is today, what are some ways you think Atlasia has improved throughout the years? What are some ways you think Atlasia has declined?

I think the improvement is the positive fact that the game has continued. We wondered how long Atlasia would last...maybe a year or so...here we are almost a decade later and we're all still so deeply involved, some more than others, and the participation continues, so that is an improvement. As far as the decline, I do believe there are far too many rules and too little individual decision making on the part of Atlasians. Whether this can be contributed to the game moderators or our elected leaders or the legislation, I can't quite say, but for sure that decline over the past couple of years is due to their inability to lessen the amount of rules and Government, I guess you could say, and allow more individuality among Atlasia as a hole. I do feel though that there may be a leader in the coming months who can return Atlasia maybe back more to the days of President PBrunsel when participation was growing and people had fun, it wasn't just a game of continuity.

Have you given any thought to possibly getting involved in Atlasia again? We all know now that you’ve been an active, conservative leader in the past. Any chance we could see that side of you again?

I'd like to someday, perhaps when the time is right. I ran for office and lost so many times I think there had to be a period of several years out of public life to regain some sense of legitimacy. I did come in third for President in February 2007, which, all things considered, wasn't half as bad as people had anticipated, and despite the shakiness and the controversy surrounding it, I was a Senator and a Governor so I hope that someday I can get involved again.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: ZuWo on September 02, 2011, 03:55:07 AM
An interesting read, thanks! ;)


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 03, 2011, 11:17:06 AM
The Atlasian Sentinel
A Decision Soon?
By Tmthforu94

Recently, it was revealed that President Polnut would be making his decision regarding reelection in the coming days. Our sources close to the administration tell us a decision could come as soon as tonight. The President is grateful of his strong approval ratings, but hasn't quite made up his mind. Our sources also tell us that the President is concerned over how effective he has been as a President and whether some of his opponents might do a better job.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on September 03, 2011, 11:43:54 AM
He better not run again. Otherwise, I'll crush him like an ant...

Oh, I thought you're talking about Purple State. Sorry


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: ZuWo on September 03, 2011, 12:00:10 PM
It might catch the left off guard IF Polnut doesn't run, in a way that is similar to when Tmth announced that he would not seek a second term. And then the right will seize the opportunity and triumph in the election. :P


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on September 03, 2011, 12:10:07 PM
It might catch the left off guard IF Polnut doesn't run, in a way that is similar to when Tmth announced that he would not seek a second term. And then the right will seize the opportunity and triumph in the election. :P

I'm here :P


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: ZuWo on September 03, 2011, 12:13:31 PM
It might catch the left off guard IF Polnut doesn't run, in a way that is similar to when Tmth announced that he would not seek a second term. And then the right will seize the opportunity and triumph in the election. :P

I'm here :P

Yes, but maybe in the wrong "party" (=independent)? ;)


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 03, 2011, 12:20:26 PM
I'm actually getting responses to a story?!?! :D

*Does happy dance*

The JCP has much better organization skills than the right does - there's almost never an election where the JCP doesn't put up a strong fight. It takes a very special environment/ticket for the right to be successful.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: ZuWo on September 03, 2011, 12:24:14 PM
I'm actually getting responses to a story?!?! :D

*Does happy dance*

The JCP has much better organization skills than the right does - there's almost never an election where the JCP doesn't put up a strong fight. It takes a very special environment/ticket for the right to be successful.

I'm sure - and the previous pages show it - there are many readers of the Atlasian Sentinel. People simply don't always respond, but the stuff you post here is usually very worthwile to read. ;)


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on September 03, 2011, 12:47:29 PM
It might catch the left off guard IF Polnut doesn't run, in a way that is similar to when Tmth announced that he would not seek a second term. And then the right will seize the opportunity and triumph in the election. :P

I'm here :P

Yes, but maybe in the wrong "party" (=independent)? ;)

Shhh... it's just a cover.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 03, 2011, 09:07:00 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel is currently in the process of interviewing our President, who has just announced he will NOT be seeking reelection. We'll post it as soon as it's done. :)


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 03, 2011, 09:29:12 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Interview With Polnut
By Tmthforu94

Once again, I got the pleasure of interviewing Herr Polnut....


First, let it be known, I saw this coming. I think I predicted this happening somewhere recently.

Polnut: Did you? What made you think that?

I'm a palm reader. I snuck into your house a couple weeks ago and felt your palms. I go to great lengths to get the stories.  

Polnut: ...I thought that was dream....

The questions was asked multiple times to me when I decided not to run..."Why?" since I had rather high approval ratings. Yours are even higher - you have solid ratings across the board, and would have coasted to reelection. What made you pass that up?

Polnut: Toward mid-August I was thinking about my goals versus my performance. I thought about what I could achieve and why I hadn't been able to do as much this term... and I didn't see a clear way through

What was your biggest pain as President?

Polnut: Pain? I think I had many frustrations ... but I suppose my biggest was my inability to engage with the Senate sometimes, in the constructive manner I would have preferred.

Anyone who follows the Senate closely knows there were some heated negotiations going around the "End to Imperialism Act". What made reaching compromise so difficult for those involved?

Polnut: I think that particular negotiation was especially trying... I admit getting my back up at the premise of the original Bill for a 30 day withdrawal, I thought it was based on an ideological view, and not in reality. I had already outlined a policy for withdrawal long-before this Bill emerged. However, I went into negotiations with the Sponsor and others in good faith to get a workable compromise. I made massive concessions, knowing that Senate would have the ultimate say. I know concessions were made on the other side, but I think the current Bill reflects my willingness to work with others

You mentioned in your statement that some external pressures kept you from running. Care to elaborate?

Polnut: Well I do have a long-planned holiday coming up and it would have meant I would have had varied and unreliable contact for several weeks, which is why I stressed the need for the Atlasian people to have an active president.

Were there any forces within the game you felt were pushing you from running?

Polnut: Well, certainly no one trying to get me not to run, but there were some elements that certainly made me less interested in running, let's say that

Care to elaborate?

Polnut: Not really, lol but I think it doesn't take too much to figure it out

You seem to have had a pretty bumpy relationship within your party recently. You hinted at dissatisfaction with some in the left in your speech and how you may not have lived up to what they hoped for. You've also been nearly mocked in the Senate debate over the "Student Loan Protection Act". Did this play a pretty big role in your decision?

Polnut: I think the relationship has been too antagonistic at times, it doesn't help our democracy. I'll admit not appreciating the tone of the Senate to my questions, the Bill is incredibly vague and needs tightening up... simple as that. I think the President and the Senate need to have a constructive relationship, I hope my successor will have more luck.

How do you feel about the current party system in Atlasia, particularly your party, the JCP?

Polnut: Parties are a natural consequence, and given the background of many Atlasians, it makes sense that there are two dominant parties. The JCP is a dominant and well-organized party, but it exists only as long as people are prepared to support it...

If there's one thing you could do right now that would massively shake up the game for the good, what would it be, if anything?

Polnut: There's still a long time left in my term, I do have some ideas... but they're about positive change and I will make details public soon

Let me just say, I think you've been an excellent President, and you would have had my support if you had ran for reelection. Best of luck to you in future endeavors. Thank you for doing this interview.

Thank you very much. :)

(I think it'll be better in the future to italicize my questions, but I don't feel like changing it now)


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: ZuWo on September 04, 2011, 07:23:00 AM
A truly revealing interview. When can we expect the President to publish his memoirs which contain a reckoning with his political opponents? :P


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 05, 2011, 09:55:27 AM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Senate Could Be Losing Icon
By Tmthforu94

The Senate has already taken a small hit by Shua (someone who actually was an active part in debate) now gone, but The Atlasian Sentinel suspects that North Carolina Yankee's days as PPT are also numbered. Despite arguably being the best PPT Atlasia has ever had, we believe Bgwah will finally have the votes to overtake Yankee in the position, with 5 JCP Senators and a JCP Vice President. Bgwah almost had the votes in July, but due to a Senate vacancy and Antonio V voting for Yankee.

While I have no doubt Bgwah will do a fine job as PPT, I also believe this is telling of how partisan the Senate has become, particularly the PPT, which should be a non-partisan position.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Napoleon on September 05, 2011, 12:13:19 PM
An election for PPT that hasn't even take place is evidence of the Senate's partisanship? Are you serious?


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 05, 2011, 01:12:11 PM
Past elections for PPT have shown the position has become increasingly partisan. It's almost to the point that every PPT election is between someone from the JCP vs. everyone else. I'm going to assume, this is just a prediction, that Yankee won't run for PPT because he knows he won't win. It's fairly obvious the 5 JCP Senators will all vote for Bgwah.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 05, 2011, 02:29:43 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
IDS Fights STD's
By Tmthforu94

Back in July, the Imperial Dominion of the South took steps to fight STD by passing a bill which puts male condom dispensers in all male restrooms in public universities. This was paid for by a $5 dollar tuition increase.

The bill also introduces the Dibble as a bartering tool in the IDS, allowing citizens to use the Dibble (very similar to Atlasian coins). Dibbles can be exchanged for dollars at any state capitals.

The Atlasian Sentinel commends the IDS for taking steps to fight STD's while also bringing some fun and humour into the game. :P You can see the full text of the bill here (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=138083.msg3012762#msg3012762).


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 05, 2011, 02:32:35 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel will be giving out two more interviews within this week. Please contact me ASAP if you are interested.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 05, 2011, 03:34:35 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel
Interview with SoEA Benconstine
By Tmthforu94

Thank you for contacting me about an interview, SoEA Benconstine. How are you?

Ben: Thank you for interviewing me.  I'm doing quite well.  I'm having a mild panic attack about school starting tomorrow, but I am otherwise content.

Be grateful, I started three weeks ago. Are you pleased with the job you've done as SOEA over the course of your time there?

Ben: I definitely am.  I feel like foreign affairs has become more prominent, which is my overarching goal.  Additionally, I am pleased with the actual policy successes; notably the diplomatic agreement with China, which was started while I was GTO Ambassador and completed during my term, as well as the policies enacted for the Middle East, and of course the pending GTO Expansion.

You've now been Secretary of External Affairs in two administrations. However, you've expressed recently your interest in running for Mideast Senate in October? Has a decision been reached?

Ben: No it has not.  I'm currently in the exploratory stage.  No decision will be reached for at least two more weeks, as I want to see who else declares, and also get a feel for my schoolwork to see if I have the time.

Is running for President again on your mind?

Ben: James Carville once said that running for President was like having sex: you don't do it once and forget about it.  It's on my mind, in the back.  I am not currently considering a run for President in the near future, and my hope is that Senator Duke will take the plunge and run for President.

You've been active in Senate debate, particularly those regarding foreign policy. How would you judge the Senate and the members within it?

Ben: That's an interesting question.  On the one hand, the Senate has recently been far more active than in the past, and I appreciate that.  Ideologically, I am very much at odds with the Senate, especially Senator Napoleon, who I wish were more like his Corsican namesake in terms of ideology.  I also feel as though the Senate has discounted me in terms of negotiations, focusing on simply attacking me, and that hurts both sides.  Overall, though, I do approve of the Senate, but I wish it would be quicker on debating my many recently introduced bills, and the FPR I released.

Are you pleased with the compromise to the "End to Imperialism Act", or would you have rather done Polnut's proposed plan?

Ben: I would have preferred the President's plan, which I helped work on, but the ultimate compromise was acceptable.  I do wish, though, that it had been renamed.  I bristle at the suggestion our foreign policy is based on "imperialism" which is in itself a ridiculous notion as far as I am concerned.

How has working with President Polnut worked out for you?

Ben: Surprisingly well.  Polnut has been extremely supportive of me, and has kept me involved in everything the Administration does.  He has also been very tolerant of my conservative ideology in foreign policy, and my often combative statements.  He has been an excellent President, and I will miss him.  I have worked for three Presidents, and have been blessed to always have a good relationship.

You say surprising. What were you expecting?

Ben: To be fired or sidelined.  To be honest, I did not have much experience with Polnut prior to his election, whereas I had worked closely for a long time with Purple State and with you, so I had known how I would be received previously.  With Polnut, all I knew was that, politically, he was a standard JCP liberal - I would agree domestically, but on foreign policy less so.  Shortly before his term began, he had sent me a PM explaining that he knew foreign policy well, and so I was concerned that conflict would ensue.  I was pleasantly surprised, then, when Polnut continually asked my advice, kept me involved, and had me remain one of the main spokesman for the Administration.  I do not want to give the impression that I distrusted Polnut, or had low or negative expectations; he simply surprised me by how much faith he had in me, and how tolerant he was of my differing viewpoint.  I never feared disagreeing with him, and I appreciate that.

You indicated earlier that you're saddened Polnut isn't running for reelection. Why do you think he chose not to run?

Ben: He mentioned a long vacation, and that was also the explanation given privately - he said that he would be away in the Winter, and didn't want to leave Atlasia with an absentee President.  Everything he said publicly he said privately, so I have no reason to doubt his statements.  I also hope he does not keep to his retirement announcement.

What are the biggest problems today in Atlasia, and how would you seek to fix them, regardless of what position you may hold?

Ben: I think the Senate election system is broken.  I think it is a problem when someone who is barely active, essentially a zombie, declares for the Senate after the deadline, and is then elected easily as a Write-In over a far more active candidate - although BRTD has been a good Senator so far.  I also think the discourse needs to calm down; things are getting too personal, and that is driving people away.  As to fixing them, I am less sure.  The latter problem cannot be legislated away; it can only be fixed through conscious decisions to change.  The former problem, too, is tough to fix.  More stringent activity requirements, but they can also hurt newbies and others who are trying to stay involved.  It's difficult, and it makes me glad that I am a FoPo wonk.

Any last words?

Ben: Hmm.  I want to thank the citizens who have continued to support me, especially you and Polnut for appointing me SoEA, and the members of the Senate who have kept foreign policy debate alive. :)


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on September 05, 2011, 06:47:22 PM
Past elections for PPT have shown the position has become increasingly partisan. It's almost to the point that every PPT election is between someone from the JCP vs. everyone else. I'm going to assume, this is just a prediction, that Yankee won't run for PPT because he knows he won't win. It's fairly obvious the 5 JCP Senators will all vote for Bgwah.

The JCP exists solely to turn everything into a partisan funhouse. They stand for nothing but themselves.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Napoleon on September 05, 2011, 07:03:11 PM
Past elections for PPT have shown the position has become increasingly partisan. It's almost to the point that every PPT election is between someone from the JCP vs. everyone else. I'm going to assume, this is just a prediction, that Yankee won't run for PPT because he knows he won't win. It's fairly obvious the 5 JCP Senators will all vote for Bgwah.

The JCP exists solely to turn everything into a partisan funhouse. They stand for nothing but themselves.

Tell that to the region you left. :)


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on September 05, 2011, 07:06:30 PM
Past elections for PPT have shown the position has become increasingly partisan. It's almost to the point that every PPT election is between someone from the JCP vs. everyone else. I'm going to assume, this is just a prediction, that Yankee won't run for PPT because he knows he won't win. It's fairly obvious the 5 JCP Senators will all vote for Bgwah.

The JCP exists solely to turn everything into a partisan funhouse. They stand for nothing but themselves.

Tell that to the region you left. :)

Blah blah. Your controversies are about two months out of date. I intended to move for awhile now.

You all seem to enjoy being a left-wing version of the Populares anywho.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: Napoleon on September 05, 2011, 07:11:33 PM
Past elections for PPT have shown the position has become increasingly partisan. It's almost to the point that every PPT election is between someone from the JCP vs. everyone else. I'm going to assume, this is just a prediction, that Yankee won't run for PPT because he knows he won't win. It's fairly obvious the 5 JCP Senators will all vote for Bgwah.

The JCP exists solely to turn everything into a partisan funhouse. They stand for nothing but themselves.

Tell that to the region you left. :)
Blah blah. Your controversies are about two months out of date. I intended to move for awhile now.
You all seem to enjoy being a left-wing version of the Populares anywho.

I know you intended to move but that doesn't mean the JCP is super partisan. One look at the Northeast would tell you that both I and Governor Winfield, and the Assembly, have ignored partisanship in our reforms of the region. You don't have to give us credit but it would be nice not to insult us.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on February 21, 2013, 08:15:27 PM
I took a nap earlier. While I was taking a nap, John Engle came to me in a dream and informed me that instead of becoming GM, I was to (once again) revive the Atlasian Sentinel, one of Atlasia's most successful papers.

I am looking for individuals to be contributors to the paper. I am looking for folks who could write on Senate/regional affairs, party politics, as well as give interviews. I will also be engaging in all of these activities.

Please PM me if interested.

Isaac :)


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on February 21, 2013, 08:25:19 PM
How can I be of assistance? :D


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel
Post by: tmthforu94 on February 21, 2013, 08:29:46 PM
Wolfentoad, Scott, and Napoleon will all be contributors to The Sentinel. More may come. Details will be released later on what roles each individual will have.

For now, we'll be taking requests for individuals who would like to be interviewed.


Title: Re: The Atlasian Sentinel: Update - June 16, 2009
Post by: tmthforu94 on February 21, 2013, 08:44:35 PM
The Atlasian Sentinel

Things Looking Up in the Midwest
By Tmthforu94

After years of struggling to stay alive, things appear to be finally looking up for the Midwest Region.

Despite large growth in Atlasia over the past year, the Midwest is the only region to have shrunk, has often lagged in open voting booths, and the Universal Alþing has barely stayed afloat. However, the current Midwestern regional election has drawn out fourteen voters, which equals to over 70% turnout! The region is also about ready to experiment with an elected legislature as well as elect Maxwell as Wisard Extraordinære. Maxwell is a new, excited member of the Midwest who seems to have a true interest in turning things around, much like Vepres did several years ago.

Better days appear to be ahead for the good people of the Midwest Region. The Atlasian Sentinel, originally based in the Midwest, wishes Maxwell and The People of the Midwest the best of luck as they attempt to bring activity once again to the region! :D :D :D


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We have opened a new thread. Please respond in that one if you have any comments or would like to be interviewed! :)
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=169775.0