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Title: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 22, 2009, 01:55:36 PM
3 states already released (600 adults, polls conducted Jan. 20/21):

Alabama:

60% Approve
24% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=61adfc41-d836-464f-8186-f5a8bcb76249

California:

77% Approve
15% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=030afd67-3556-4a63-8e9a-442cb1e2b7f0

Iowa:

68% Approve
22% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=ecb45028-93b8-4bc9-8e18-ef45914bd040

Rasmussen shows the following result today (nationally of course, 3-day tracker):

64% Approve
29% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Tender Branson on January 22, 2009, 02:02:09 PM

States that were likely polled as well and will be released soon:

Kansas
Kentucky
Massachusetts
Minnesota
Missouri
New Mexico
New York
Ohio
Oregon
Virginia
Washington
Wisconsin


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Tender Branson on January 22, 2009, 02:03:12 PM
Update:

Kansas

62% Approve
24% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=d87c6dde-e886-458a-a13e-0fbe918d548f


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Alcon on January 22, 2009, 02:08:49 PM
Not pushing those leaners are we


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Tender Branson on January 22, 2009, 02:16:31 PM

Gallup notes today that many people who took sides during the Transition have moved into "Undecided"-mode in past cycles. Maybe we witness the same here.

Rasmussen's national tracking for example showed 98% of those polled having an opinion about Obama until a few days ago. Today it's just 93% ...


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Eraserhead on January 22, 2009, 02:16:50 PM

The real Alabama numbers are probably something like 62%/38%. Heh.


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Holmes on January 22, 2009, 02:40:55 PM
No Indiana numbers? I am sad.


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Tender Branson on January 22, 2009, 02:46:58 PM

The 15 states above are polled almost every month for Presidential, Senatorial and Gubernatorial Approval Ratings, but some states like Indiana, Pennsylvania etc. were only polled for the General Election ...


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: bgwah on January 22, 2009, 02:53:51 PM
7% disapproval among Hispanics in California

Interesting.


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Lief 🗽 on January 22, 2009, 03:11:09 PM
There's probably a pretty significant Bradley Effect going on in Alabama. :P


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Holmes on January 22, 2009, 03:23:14 PM
Kentucky(:)) is out.

Approve: 62%
Disapprove: 25%

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=9c74442f-6013-401f-a949-7801bbecca36

Obama only received 69% of the Democrat vote in Kentucky, I wonder what it would've looked like with 83% instead.


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 22, 2009, 04:58:09 PM
So after two days on the job...


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Rob on January 22, 2009, 05:11:48 PM

After two days on the job, 25 percent of Kentuckians already disapprove. Honeymoon over?


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 22, 2009, 05:17:03 PM

After two days on the job, 25 percent of Kentuckians already disapprove. Honeymoon over?

No, I'd say the honeymoon is over because the press is already giving him a hard time over something silly (not letting enough reporters/cameras in on that second swearing in).  :P


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Holmes on January 22, 2009, 05:50:33 PM
Massachusetts

Approve: 78%
Disapprove: 11%

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=48501a4c-9bd7-480a-b19f-9102044921ed

Minnesota

Approve: 64%
Disapprove: 21%

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=2c18d27f-7462-448c-88bf-939da8b31076

Uhh, about Minnesota, I'm not saying the actual results look out of place, but the numbers Obama got from the 18 - 34 age group kinda do...


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Lief 🗽 on January 22, 2009, 07:11:50 PM
SUSA has a ridiculously gigantic Republican bias in Minnesota for some reason.

I'm glad to hear that even states like Kentucky and Alabama support our President (and thus do not hate America or wish ill on our soldiers fighting overseas).


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: tmthforu94 on January 22, 2009, 07:39:19 PM
Interesting numbers.
I didn't know he has accomplished that much in less than a week. People should wait a bit before automatically loving him. If I had to guess, because he won't be able to make all of his promises, in one year, he will be around 55-60%.


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Democratic Hawk on January 22, 2009, 09:23:52 PM

Rasmussen shows the following result today (nationally of course, 3-day tracker):

64% Approve
29% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

Rasmussen has released polls for Texas and Tennessee:

Texas

62% approve (41% strongly) / 35% disapprove (19% strongly)

Tennessee

60% approve (39% strongly) / 35% disapprove (21% strongly)

 Link  (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/combined_states/hopes_for_obama_high_in_mccain_country)

Dave


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Smid on January 22, 2009, 09:47:14 PM
What was the question they were asking? Perhaps "Do you approve of Obama swearing the oath?" I don't think that's about the only thing on which to judge him one way or the other at the moment...


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Alcon on January 22, 2009, 10:30:11 PM
What was the question they were asking? Perhaps "Do you approve of Obama swearing the oath?" I don't think that's about the only thing on which to judge him one way or the other at the moment...

Well, cabinet appointments and actions over the first two days, however few of them are.

Cabinet appointments is 90% what I'm going on, currently.


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Lief 🗽 on January 22, 2009, 11:25:32 PM
Of the two days Obama has been president so far, I really could not approve more. I was very worried that he'd start triangulating and backtracking right out of the gate; so far, it seems like he's sticking to his promises, and then some.


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: RosettaStoned on January 23, 2009, 12:27:24 AM
So far so good.


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Tender Branson on January 23, 2009, 01:01:48 AM

Rasmussen shows the following result today (nationally of course, 3-day tracker):

64% Approve
29% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

Rasmussen has released polls for Texas and Tennessee:

Texas

62% approve (41% strongly) / 35% disapprove (19% strongly)

Tennessee

60% approve (39% strongly) / 35% disapprove (21% strongly)

 Link  (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/combined_states/hopes_for_obama_high_in_mccain_country)

Dave

It should be noted that the TX and TN polls were taken Jan. 14, when Obama had a 65-33 rating nationally ...

SUSA has a ridiculously gigantic Republican bias in Minnesota for some reason.

Very True ...


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Tender Branson on January 23, 2009, 01:07:17 AM
The rest of the states that were released by SUSA:

Missouri: 65% Approve, 21% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=72913ec2-fb62-4950-ae14-9245ddae368b

New Mexico: 65% Approve, 22% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=a6bfa544-a441-421d-966c-6e0e45ef34d0

New York: 78% Approve, 11% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=3522e847-a0a9-4b4c-b115-8e8679b68b2e

Oregon: 68% Approve, 18% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=66a5dc08-d9a2-4b34-b49a-12418ff87e3c

Virginia: 62% Approve, 23% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=4ab3b8db-1579-46ff-93f5-48290a120ea1

Washington: 69% Approve, 17% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=90c0da33-6856-4e0a-946f-438fe35bf976

Wisconsin: 70% Approve, 18% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=37e8eafa-5bd0-42c8-aee2-3802b511b4ef


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on January 23, 2009, 01:16:04 AM
The Minnesota numbers look fine to me (the subsamples don't but they're always way off due to the extreme MoE.) Obama's at about the max approval ANYONE can have in Minnesota due to polarization. Minnesota has so many hardcore left-wingers and hardcore right-wingers that the ceiling for approval for anyone is relatively low.


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: justfollowingtheelections on January 23, 2009, 09:16:29 PM
Of the two days Obama has been president so far, I really could not approve more. I was very worried that he'd start triangulating and backtracking right out of the gate; so far, it seems like he's sticking to his promises, and then some.

I couldn't agree more.  Closing Guantanamo and all secret prisons was an excellent first move.  What needs to be done now is prosecute those who were responsible for the atrocities that took place there.
Making healthcare reform a priority is another thing I approve of.
 


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: The Duke on January 24, 2009, 05:07:54 AM
The One.


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Tender Branson on January 24, 2009, 01:48:53 PM
According to Gallup, Obama starts with a 68-12 approval rating (Jan. 21-23).

That's better than Clinton (58-20) and Bush (57-25) and comparable with Eisenhower (68-7), Kennedy (72-6) and Carter (66-8).

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113962/Obama-Starts-Job-Approval.aspx

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113923/History-Foretells-Obama-First-Job-Approval-Rating.aspx


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Democratic Hawk on January 24, 2009, 01:58:35 PM
According to Gallup, Obama starts with a 68-12 approval rating (Jan. 21-23).

That's better than Clinton (58-20) and Bush (57-25) and comparable with Eisenhower (68-7), Kennedy (72-6) and Carter (66-8).

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113962/Obama-Starts-Job-Approval.aspx

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113923/History-Foretells-Obama-First-Job-Approval-Rating.aspx

Not so good over at Rasmussen, however

Approve 61% (-1); strongly 44% (-1)

Disapprove 33% (+4); strongly 18% (+2)

 Link  (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_approval_index)

Dave


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on January 24, 2009, 02:12:59 PM
Very strong numbers in Virginia.  It's interesting to see him at 41-38 among conservatives, and 47-34 among Evangelicals.  The only group that disapproves of him are Republicans, and even then it's only a -13, with 25% unsure.  He's actually above 50% with most groups, which is a good sign.  I'm a little surprised he's the same with men and women, though.


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Tender Branson on January 25, 2009, 08:47:30 AM
Rasmussen (25-01-2009):

60% Approve (-1)
36% Disapprove (+3)


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Inmate Trump on January 25, 2009, 08:58:36 AM
I couldn't agree more.  Closing Guantanamo and all secret prisons was an excellent first move.  What needs to be done now is prosecute those who were responsible for the atrocities that took place there.
Making healthcare reform a priority is another thing I approve of.
 


You're absolutely right.  Closing Guantanamo and allowing some already confirmed 60 or so terrorists back into their terrorist camps was a great idea.

Bravo Obama!  May he be President 4 Life!


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Eraserhead on January 25, 2009, 12:49:02 PM
I couldn't agree more.  Closing Guantanamo and all secret prisons was an excellent first move.  What needs to be done now is prosecute those who were responsible for the atrocities that took place there.
Making healthcare reform a priority is another thing I approve of.
 


You're absolutely right.  Closing Guantanamo and allowing some already confirmed 60 or so terrorists back into their terrorist camps was a great idea.

Bravo Obama!  May he be President 4 Life!

You do realize that your heroes Hillary and McCain claim that they would also have closed it?


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 25, 2009, 12:58:22 PM
Rasmussen (25-01-2009):

60% Approve (-1)
36% Disapprove (+3)

Already? Wow.


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Holmes on January 25, 2009, 01:11:35 PM
I couldn't agree more.  Closing Guantanamo and all secret prisons was an excellent first move.  What needs to be done now is prosecute those who were responsible for the atrocities that took place there.
Making healthcare reform a priority is another thing I approve of.
 


You're absolutely right.  Closing Guantanamo and allowing some already confirmed 60 or so terrorists back into their terrorist camps was a great idea.

Bravo Obama!  May he be President 4 Life!
You're right, detaining people suspected of terrorism without a proper trial and making them live in horrible conditions is the way to go.

:)


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Democratic Hawk on January 25, 2009, 01:14:43 PM
Rasmussen (25-01-2009):

60% Approve (-1)
36% Disapprove (+3)

Not surprisingly, partisan and ideological divides remain clear when it comes to evaluating the President. The number of political conservatives who Strongly Disapprove of Obama’s performance has increased from 29% on the morning of Inauguration Day to 38% today. Only 17% of conservatives Strongly Approve.

At the other extreme, 79% of liberal voters Strongly Approve of Obama’s performance to date while just 5% Strongly Disapprove.

On a partisan basis, the President earns a +68 rating from Democrats, a -23 rating from Republicans, and a +8 from those not affiliated with either major party. Among the unaffiliated voters, 32% Strongly Approve and 24% Strongly Disapprove.


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: BM on January 25, 2009, 01:20:10 PM
I expected him to stay in the high 60s-low 70s for at least a month or longer.


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Tender Branson on January 25, 2009, 01:27:45 PM

Well, according to Gallup he's in better shape today:

69% Approve (+1)
13% Disapprove (+1)

Don't know really why there's such a big difference between the 2 institutes, but if SUSA showed Obama with a 60% approval rating in Alabama, I tend to trust Gallup more ...


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Lief 🗽 on January 25, 2009, 01:36:34 PM
Rasmussen has a bit of a Republican lean, we should remember.


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Eraserhead on January 25, 2009, 02:12:18 PM
They ask the question in a different manner too. Please don't start the hackfest already. kthanx


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on January 25, 2009, 02:37:20 PM
They ask the question in a different manner too. Please don't start the hackfest already. kthanx

And they use a different weighting model which brings it closer to the center. We all know how hackish I can be and the whole "Rasmussen is a Republican pollster" crap annoys even ME.


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Stranger in a strange land on January 25, 2009, 05:06:51 PM
I couldn't agree more.  Closing Guantanamo and all secret prisons was an excellent first move.  What needs to be done now is prosecute those who were responsible for the atrocities that took place there.
Making healthcare reform a priority is another thing I approve of.
 


You're absolutely right.  Closing Guantanamo and allowing some already confirmed 60 or so terrorists back into their terrorist camps was a great idea.

Bravo Obama!  May he be President 4 Life!

You do realize that your heroes Hillary and McCain claim that they would also have closed it?

or that it won't actually be closed for a year and that nobody will be released as a direct result of it's closing?


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Democratic Hawk on January 26, 2009, 09:23:51 AM

Well, according to Gallup he's in better shape today:

69% Approve (+1)
13% Disapprove (+1)


http://www.gallup.com/poll/113968/Obama-Initial-Approval-Ratings-Historical-Context.aspx

By Party Affiliation

Democrats: Approve 88%; Disapprove 2%; No opinion 10% (+86)
Independents: Approve 62%; Disapprove 12%; No opinion 27% (+50)
Republicans: Approve 43%; Disapprove 30%; No opinion 27% (+13)

Other approvals:

Liberals 83%; Moderates 75%; Conservatives 52%

18-to-29 year olds 79%; Nonwhites 78%; Women 71%; Men 64%

Jan. 21-24 Gallup Poll Daily tracking

Dave


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Matt Damon™ on January 26, 2009, 09:26:43 AM
How the hell are a majority of cons approving of a lib?


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Democratic Hawk on January 26, 2009, 09:39:25 AM
How the hell are a majority of cons approving of a lib?

Rasmussen, on the other hand, tells a different story. 17% of conservatives strongly approve; 38% strongly disapprove

Dave


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Democratic Hawk on January 26, 2009, 09:43:47 AM
Rasmussen (26-01-2009):

60% Approve (n/c)
37% Disapprove (+1)

Forty-six percent (46%) of women strongly approve along with 36% of men. Eighty-one percent (81%) of African-American voters Strongly Approve along with 37% of White voters. Among those who see the economy as the most important issue, 55% Strongly Approve.

At the same time, the President’s negatives have risen a bit since he assumed office and 20% now Strongly Disapprove of his performance. That stems largely from growing disapproval from conservatives. The higher negatives give Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of +21, his lowest rating as President or President-elect since before Thanksgiving.


Dave


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Tender Branson on January 27, 2009, 01:40:35 AM
Latest Des Moines Register Iowa poll by Selzer & Co.:

68% Approve
12% Disapprove

Pretty similar to SUSA, allthough both Selzer and SUSA overestimated Obama in the GE ...

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20090126/NEWS09/901260331/1056


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Democratic Hawk on January 27, 2009, 01:57:11 PM
Rasmussen (27-01-2009):

62% Approve (+2)
36% Disapprove (-1)

Among those who see the economy as the top issue, 55% Strongly Approve of Obama’s performance. He also gets such upbeat ratings from 64% of those who view domestic issues as tops. Among national security voters, 19% Strongly Approve. Nineteen percent (19%) of cultural issue voters Strongly Approve as do 11% of fiscal policy voters.

Dave


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Holmes on January 27, 2009, 02:06:59 PM
Rasmussen (27-01-2009):

62% Approve (+2)
36% Disapprove (-1)
Already? Wow.

;)


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Tender Branson on January 27, 2009, 02:24:40 PM

It`s about 65% right now if we average Rasmussen and Gallup and assign the Undecideds.

It`s probably not 70% because a few Conservatives who previously were undecided or mildly approving were scared away by Obama's abortion orders and big spending plans ...


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Holmes on January 27, 2009, 04:50:09 PM
West Virginia

Approve: 67%
Disapprove: doesn't say

http://www.statejournal.com/story.cfm?func=viewstory&storyid=50464

Dunno how reliable this pollster is though. But apparently Manchin is mad popular.


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Nym90 on January 27, 2009, 11:51:15 PM
How the hell are a majority of cons approving of a lib?

Probably the same way that a majority of liberals and Democrats approved of Bush's job performance in the aftermath of 9/11.


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Matt Damon™ on January 28, 2009, 08:58:09 AM
But Obama hasn't even done anything major yet!


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Brittain33 on January 28, 2009, 09:15:49 AM
But Obama hasn't even done anything major yet!

He identified all of his main advisors and the bulk of his Cabinet and helped shape the stimulus bill the House is about to pass.


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Tender Branson on January 30, 2009, 02:11:32 PM
Rasmussen:

63% Approve
36% Disapprove

Gallup:

66% Approve
17% Disapprove

FOX News:

65% Approve
16% Disapprove


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Tender Branson on February 06, 2009, 03:42:07 AM
Update:

Rasmussen:

62% Approve
36% Disapprove

Gallup:

65% Approve
20% Disapprove

CBS News:

62% Approve
15% Disapprove


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on February 06, 2009, 04:08:10 AM
Update:

Rasmussen:

62% Approve
36% Disapprove

Gallup:

65% Approve
20% Disapprove

CBS News:

62% Approve
15% Disapprove

Well, it's obvious that the Obama presidency has failed.
How long till the RNC puts up a clock ticking to his resignation?


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Holmes on February 06, 2009, 08:02:46 AM
Oh god, don't give them any ideas.


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Tender Branson on February 06, 2009, 11:01:14 AM
VA Obama Approval from Rasmussen (Feb. 4):

64% Approve (61% Nationally)
35% Disapprove (36% Nationally)

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2009/virginia/toplines/toplines_virginia_governor_election_february_4_2009


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 06, 2009, 06:45:29 PM
VA Obama Approval from Rasmussen (Feb. 4):

64% Approve (61% Nationally)
35% Disapprove (36% Nationally)

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2009/virginia/toplines/toplines_virginia_governor_election_february_4_2009
PRESIDENCY IN CRISIS; IS IT TOO SOON TO CALL OBAMA THE WORST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY?


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Iosif on February 07, 2009, 10:56:59 AM
Huh, it appears the Republican party is out of touch with the American public.

Who would've thought?


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Tender Branson on February 08, 2009, 01:37:24 AM
Latest Illinois Obama Approval Rating by Rasmussen (Feb. 3):

73% Approve

Pat Quinn Approval:

80% Approve

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/illinois/64_of_illinois_voters_say_blagojevich_got_fair_trial


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Tender Branson on February 08, 2009, 09:42:42 AM
Rasmussen today:

59% Approve
39% Disapprove

"Today’s results mark the first time that Obama’s overall rating has fallen below 60% as either President-elect or President."


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 08, 2009, 12:28:15 PM
Just under three weeks...


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Holmes on February 09, 2009, 08:36:19 AM
()
http://www.gallup.com/poll/114202/Obama-Upper-Hand-Stimulus-Fight.aspx

Just under three weeks...


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2009, 10:52:36 AM
LOL Republicans.


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 09, 2009, 12:23:46 PM

Because we know those historically low approval ratings for the Democrats in Congress over the past two years really hurt them and prevented them from picking up eight seats in the Senate and plenty more in the House...


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on February 09, 2009, 12:27:14 PM

Because we know those historically low approval ratings for the Democrats in Congress over the past two years really hurt them and prevented them from picking up eight seats in the Senate and plenty more in the House...

No. Bacause the Congressional Republicans approval ratings were even worse.


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Eraserhead on February 09, 2009, 12:28:28 PM

Because we know those historically low approval ratings for the Democrats in Congress over the past two years really hurt them and prevented them from picking up eight seats in the Senate and plenty more in the House...

The other major party was considerably less popular though, so that isn't terribly relevant to the current situation.


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 09, 2009, 12:36:18 PM

Because we know those historically low approval ratings for the Democrats in Congress over the past two years really hurt them and prevented them from picking up eight seats in the Senate and plenty more in the House...

The other major party was considerably less popular though, so that isn't terribly relevant to the current situation.

And the Reoublicans aren't in power now. So, yes, for the time being, it doesn't help their electability argument but if Obama continues to slip and if the Dems in Congress remain unpopular, watch as the GOP ratings go up.


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on February 09, 2009, 01:00:03 PM
They are hanging it all on this stimulus. If it fails, heads will roll. The media will still push the narrative of Obama, though.


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on February 09, 2009, 01:26:33 PM
They are hanging it all on this stimulus. If it fails, heads will roll. The media will still push the narrative of Obama, though.

The same media where during the Stimulus debate the 2/3 of their guests were Republicans?
the same media where Michael Steele says that the Government has NEVER created jobs and Wolf Blitzer says nothing?

Yeah, totaly in the tank for Obama.


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Eraserhead on February 09, 2009, 03:13:05 PM
Obama is just about finished, guys. He's only at 76%. ;)

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/09/poll.obama.stimulus/index.html


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2009, 03:13:48 PM
CNN Poll also shows that Obama is still overwhelmingly beloved, the public still hates Republicans and wants them to go away, and a majority still support the stimulus.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/02/another-poll-shows-public-approving-obama-disapproving-gop-on-stimulus.php

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Obama has a 76% overall job approval and 23% disapproval. On the economy specifically, his rating is 72%-28%. Meanwhile, Congress has a very poor rating of 29%-71% -- but it quickly becomes clear that this should be not be simply laid at the feet of the majority Democrats, and is instead the GOP's fault.

The Democratic leadership in Congress has a solid rating of 60%-39%, while the Republican leaders are at 44%-55%. Furthermore, respondents said by 74%-25% that Obama is doing enough to cooperate with Republicans, while they say by a 60%-39% margin that Republicans are not doing enough to cooperate with him.

As for the stimulus bill itself, it is currently favored by a 54%-45% margin. If it becomes law, 16% expect it to do a lot to help the economy, 48% expect it to help somewhat, and only 20% say it won't help.

edit: aw... Eraserhead beat me.


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Eraserhead on February 09, 2009, 03:21:10 PM
It's okay, you provided a more detailed presentation. :)


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Tender Branson on February 10, 2009, 12:38:49 AM
Obama is just about finished, guys. He's only at 76%. ;)

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/09/poll.obama.stimulus/index.html

On Rasmussen, he's back up to 60-38 and up to 66-21 in Gallup's daily tracking.


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Tender Branson on February 11, 2009, 01:30:43 AM
New Utah poll by Dan Jones out:

Obama's approval rating is @ 59%.

Among Utah Republicans, 45% approve of Obama and among young Utah voters, Obama's rating is @ 79%.

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http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=5564944


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Aizen on February 11, 2009, 01:35:04 AM
utah is going to be an interesting state to watch


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 11, 2009, 02:32:09 AM
Huh. Obama might yet win Utah in 2012 after all.

(provided he wins in a Reagan- or LBJ-esque fashion, before the Republicans jump down my throat)


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 11, 2009, 01:07:47 PM
Huh. Obama might yet win Utah in 2012 after all.

(provided he wins in a Reagan- or LBJ-esque fashion, before the Republicans jump down my throat)

Give us Kansas, Lief. Come on.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 11, 2009, 01:56:53 PM
Latest numbers:

Florida (Strategic Vision)

1. Do you approve or disapprove of President Barack Obama's overall job performance?

Approve 64%
Disapprove 25%
Undecided 11%

2. Do you approve or disapprove of President Barack Obama's handling of the economy?

Approve 59%
Disapprove 26%
Undecided 15%

3. Do you approve or disapprove of President Barack Obama's handling of the war in Iraq?

Approve 65%
Disapprove 19%
Undecided 16%

4. Do you approve or disapprove of President Barack Obama's handling of the war on terrorism?

Approve 58%
Disapprove 23%
Undecided 19%

5. Do you approve or disapprove of President Barack Obama's order to close the Guantanamo Bay prison housing terror suspects?

Approve 42%
Disapprove 49%
Undecided 9%

The poll results are based on telephone interviews with 1200 likely voters in Florida, aged 18+, and conducted February 6-8, 2009. The margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.

http://www.strategicvision.biz/political/florida_poll_021109.htm

Connecticut (Quinnipiac)

Do you approve or disapprove of President Barack Obama's overall job performance?

Approve 69%
Disapprove 18%
Undecided 13%

From February 5 - 8, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,603 Connecticut registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.5 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1296.xml?ReleaseID=1260

Ohio (Quinnipiac)

Approve 67%
Disapprove 16%
Undecided 17%

From January 29 - February 2, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,127 Ohio voters, with a margin of error of +/- 2.9 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1284.xml?ReleaseID=1258

New Jersey (Quinnipiac)

Approve 65%
Disapprove 16%
Undecided 19%

From January 29 - February 5, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,173 New Jersey registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.9 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1284.xml?ReleaseID=1256

New Pennsylvania numbers by Quinnipiac will be released tomorrow ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Republic on February 11, 2009, 02:48:01 PM
It's about time somebody cut a map based on the random states provided in this thread so far:


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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 11, 2009, 03:13:39 PM
It's about time somebody cut a map based on the random states provided in this thread so far:

Thx. For what it's worth, here's the latest NC Obama Approval Rating by Civitas:

60% Approve
6% Disapprove
34% Undecided

http://www.nccivitas.org/media/poll-results/january-2009-monthly-poll


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 12, 2009, 01:36:10 AM
Brand-new McClatchy-Ipsos poll (they absolutely nailed the 2008 election with a 53-46 poll (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/election2008/story/55193.html)):

69% Approve (38% Strongly)
26% Disapprove (12% Strongly)

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/310/story/61991.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Aizen on February 12, 2009, 01:42:20 AM
anyone who has the audacity to disapprove of obama is a traitor


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 12, 2009, 01:43:36 AM
It's about time somebody cut a map based on the random states provided in this thread so far:

Thx. For what it's worth, here's the latest NC Obama Approval Rating by Civitas:

60% Approve
6% Disapprove
34% Undecided

http://www.nccivitas.org/media/poll-results/january-2009-monthly-poll

6%? LOL.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 12, 2009, 12:23:51 PM
anyone who has the audacity to disapprove of obama is a traitor

That goes too far --  way too far. I heard much the same about dissent with George W. Bush many times, and on some other Forums after I criticized the Great and Infallible Leader I occasionally saw suggestions that I find another country -- typically Iran, Cuba, or North Korea. 

Dissent with the President is not treachery. Insistence that dissent with the President is disloyalty to the Nation is in fact a repudiation of the principles upon which our Constitutional republic was founded.

Article 3, Section 3 of the Constitution of the United States defines treason and limits it so that treason applies only to the most blatant acts of disloyalty to the United States, such as waging war against the United States, collaborating with wartime enemies, or conspiring to overthrow the government of the United States on behalf of a foreign power.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bacon King on February 12, 2009, 12:28:31 PM
anyone who has the audacity to disapprove of obama is a traitor

That goes too far --  way too far. I heard much the same about dissent with George W. Bush many times, and on some other Forums after I criticized the Great and Infallible Leader I occasionally saw suggestions that I find another country -- typically Iran, Cuba, or North Korea. 

Dissent with the President is not treachery. Insistence that dissent with the President is disloyalty to the Nation is in fact a repudiation of the principles upon which our Constitutional republic was founded.

Article 3, Section 3 of the Constitution of the United States defines treason and limits it so that treason applies only to the most blatant acts of disloyalty to the United States, such as waging war against the United States, collaborating with wartime enemies, or conspiring to overthrow the government of the United States on behalf of a foreign power.

he was being sarcastic bro


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: jamestroll on February 12, 2009, 12:42:24 PM
anyone who has the audacity to disapprove of obama is a traitor


^^^^

Finally we agree on something.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Person Man on February 12, 2009, 01:19:07 PM
anyone who has the audacity to disapprove of obama is a traitor


^^^^

Finally we agree on something.
Sorta makes your almost feel bad that we are closing Gitmo....almost...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 12, 2009, 02:07:49 PM
Pennsylvania (Quinnipiac):

63% Approve
22% Disapprove

From February 5 - 9, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,490 Pennsylvania voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.5 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1327.xml?ReleaseID=1262


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Holmes on February 12, 2009, 02:14:16 PM
It's about time somebody cut a map based on the random states provided in this thread so far:

Thx. For what it's worth, here's the latest NC Obama Approval Rating by Civitas:

60% Approve
6% Disapprove
34% Undecided

http://www.nccivitas.org/media/poll-results/january-2009-monthly-poll

6%? LOL.
36% "undecided" :P

Thanks for the numbers. :)


Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Holmes on February 12, 2009, 02:26:13 PM
utah is going to be an interesting state to watch
If Huckabee is the nominee and all he does is whine about how Obama is un-religious...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on February 12, 2009, 03:07:05 PM
Are there any numbers from Indiana? I'm anxious to see those.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 13, 2009, 01:47:02 PM
Massachusetts (Rasmussen):

69% Approve
29% Disapprove

This telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters was conducted by Rasmussen Reports February 10, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/massachusetts/toplines/toplines_massachusetts_february_10_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 13, 2009, 03:27:16 PM
It's about time somebody cut a map based on the random states provided in this thread so far:


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Pennsylvania now accounted for -- no surprise there, except I could use a darker shade of green.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Verily on February 13, 2009, 03:41:53 PM
It's about time somebody cut a map based on the random states provided in this thread so far:


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Pennsylvania now accounted for -- no surprise there, except I could use a darker shade of green.

The third number is the percentage. I also updated Massachusetts (although really Rasmussen should be kept separate from everyone else because they claim to poll approval differently). But, if we're using everything, Civitas is in there, too.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 16, 2009, 03:51:51 AM
RealClearPolitics has a new average tracking Obama's approval:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 17, 2009, 01:25:50 AM
Latest New Hampshire poll by the University of NH:

Obama Approval Rating

66% Approve
21% Disapprove

Obama Favorable Rating:

71% Favorable
16% Unfavorable

These findings are based on the latest Granite State Poll conducted by the University of New Hampshire Survey Center. 619 randomly selected New Hampshire adults were interviewed by telephone between February 5 and February 9, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/-3.9 percent.

http://www.unh.edu/survey-center/news/pdf/gsp2009_winter_presapp21609.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 17, 2009, 01:47:43 PM
It's about time somebody cut a map based on the random states provided in this thread so far:


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New Hampshire now accounted for, with a very dark green shade.

Biggest ones left: Michigan, Georgia, Arizona, Indiana, Maryland, and Colorado.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 17, 2009, 01:49:32 PM
Latest Rhode Island poll by Brown University:

How would you rate the job Barack Obama is doing as president?

Excellent/Good: 62.4%
Fair/Poor: 16.5%
Don’t know/No answer: 21.1%

The survey was conducted Feb. 7-10, 2009, at Brown University by Marion Orr, the Fred Lippitt Professor of Public Policy and Political Science and director of the Taubman Center for Public Policy and the John Hazen White Public Opinion Laboratory. It is based on a statewide random sample of 451 registered voters in Rhode Island. Overall, the poll had a margin of error of about plus or minus 4.6 percentage points.

http://news.brown.edu/pressreleases/2009/02/survey


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 17, 2009, 02:13:07 PM
Biggest ones left: Michigan, Georgia, Arizona, Indiana, Maryland, and Colorado.   

Maybe sooner or later we'll get a Georgia poll by Strategic Vision and an Arizona poll by BRC or KAET, but I think it's unlikely that we'll see a poll from the other states, allthough there's a slight chance that Selzer may poll Michigan for the Detroit Free Press.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 17, 2009, 02:30:38 PM
Biggest ones left: Michigan, Georgia, Arizona, Indiana, Maryland, and Colorado.   

Maybe sooner or later we'll get a Georgia poll by Strategic Vision and an Arizona poll by BRC or KAET, but I think it's unlikely that we'll see a poll from the other states, allthough there's a slight chance that Selzer may poll Michigan for the Detroit Free Press.

Selzer is really good; it got Indiana and Missouri right in 2008. Strategic Vision has a GOP bias, so I would have to give it a grain of salt as I gave PPP with its Democratic bias... 

Heck, Montana would be interesting because it was a swing state.

It might be hard to see, but we get to add Rhode Island:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 17, 2009, 02:37:18 PM
Biggest ones left: Michigan, Georgia, Arizona, Indiana, Maryland, and Colorado.   

Maybe sooner or later we'll get a Georgia poll by Strategic Vision and an Arizona poll by BRC or KAET, but I think it's unlikely that we'll see a poll from the other states, allthough there's a slight chance that Selzer may poll Michigan for the Detroit Free Press.

Selzer is really good; it got Indiana and Missouri right in 2008. Strategic Vision has a GOP bias, so I would have to give it a grain of salt as I gave PPP with its Democratic bias... 

Heck, Montana would be interesting because it was a swing state.

Selzer is generally good, but overestimated Obama in IA. SV tends to overestimate Republicans early in the year (just like Rasmussen), but ends up producing good polls just before the election. They just got FL wrong last year. PPP was also rather good, underestimated Obama in Nevada and got MT wrong.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 19, 2009, 01:48:38 PM
Update:

Rasmussen: 60% Approve, 39% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

Gallup: 62% Approve, 25% Disapprove

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

FOX News/Opinion Dynamics: 60% Approve, 26% Disapprove

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/021909_FNCPoll.pdf

ARG: 60% Approve, 33% Disapprove

http://americanresearchgroup.com/economy/

AP-GfK: 67% Approve, 24% Disapprove

http://surveys.ap.org/data%5CGfK%5CAP-GfK%20Poll%20Topline%20021809.pdf

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New York (Quinnipiac):

72% Approve, 17% Disapprove

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1267

Florida (Quinnipiac):

64% Approve, 23% Disapprove
69% Favorable, 22% Unfavorable

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1266

North Carolina (PPP):

52% Approve, 41% Disapprove

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_218.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on February 19, 2009, 02:07:43 PM
Update:

Rasmussen: 60% Approve, 39% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

Gallup: 62% Approve, 25% Disapprove

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

FOX News/Opinion Dynamics: 60% Approve, 26% Disapprove

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/021909_FNCPoll.pdf

ARG: 60% Approve, 33% Disapprove

http://americanresearchgroup.com/economy/

AP-GfK: 67% Approve, 24% Disapprove

http://surveys.ap.org/data%5CGfK%5CAP-GfK%20Poll%20Topline%20021809.pdf

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New York (Quinnipiac):

72% Approve, 17% Disapprove

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1267

Florida (Quinnipiac):

64% Approve, 23% Disapprove
69% Favorable, 22% Unfavorable

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1266

North Carolina (PPP):

52% Approve, 41% Disapprove

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_218.pdf

NC can't be right. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on February 19, 2009, 07:17:44 PM
Update:

North Carolina (PPP):

52% Approve, 41% Disapprove

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_218.pdf

NC can't be right. 

Well, according to PPP, only 50% of 18-to-29-year-olds approve of Obama, while 46% disapprove; and this was the only age demographic he carried in November by a thumping 76-24 against McCain, according to exits

He has a net approval rating of 19% (56-37) among the 35-45s, which he lost 48-52; +12 (53-41) among the 46-65s, which he lost 43-56; and +4 (46-42) among the 65+, which he lost 43-56

Dave


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on February 19, 2009, 07:53:25 PM
Pew Research [February 18, 2009]

Approve 64%; Disapprove 17%

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1125/terrorism-guantanamo-torture-polling


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on February 19, 2009, 07:55:41 PM
North Carolina must be off.  PPP probably flipped some numbers around.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 20, 2009, 12:54:13 AM
Michigan (Rasmussen - Feb. 18 - 500 LV):

68% Approve
32% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/michigan/toplines/toplines_michigan_february_18_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 20, 2009, 01:08:23 AM
Biggest ones left: Michigan, Georgia, Arizona, Indiana, Maryland, and Colorado.   

Maybe sooner or later we'll get a Georgia poll by Strategic Vision and an Arizona poll by BRC or KAET, but I think it's unlikely that we'll see a poll from the other states, allthough there's a slight chance that Selzer may poll Michigan for the Detroit Free Press.

Selzer is really good; it got Indiana and Missouri right in 2008. Strategic Vision has a GOP bias, so I would have to give it a grain of salt as I gave PPP with its Democratic bias... 

Heck, Montana would be interesting because it was a swing state.

It might be hard to see, but we get to add Rhode Island:

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... and now Michigan, until now the most populous state for which an approval rating wasn't yet posted. Georgia might be equal in electoral votes in 2012, though, as people who have a chance to leave "Michigrim" get to do so.

The Quinnipiac polls put Florida in the 65-75 range, so I make a revision. (I am not making an upgrade for a DailyKos rating for Washington state because DailyKos has an overwhelming left-wing slant).

It looks as the GOP has its work cut out for itself if it is to achieve anything in the 2012 election. Note that Obama barely won Florida, and his approval rating in Florida approaches 70%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 20, 2009, 01:13:30 AM
Latest Washington numbers (R2000 for DailyKos, Feb. 16-18, 600 LV):

66% favorable
21% unfavorable

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/2/18/WA/209


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on February 20, 2009, 01:23:15 AM
You'd think people would be polling Indiana by now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 20, 2009, 10:31:01 AM
R2k/DailyKos released their weekly update today. They poll a lot of stuff, it's pretty interesting, you should check it out: http://www.dailykos.com/weeklytrends

Obama Approval:
Favorable: 69% (+1)
Unfavorable: 26% (+1)
Don't know: 5% (-2)

Pelosi is also the only Congressional leader with net favorables (43-39).



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 20, 2009, 06:40:41 PM
R2k/DailyKos released their weekly update today. They poll a lot of stuff, it's pretty interesting, you should check it out: http://www.dailykos.com/weeklytrends

Obama Approval:
Favorable: 69% (+1)
Unfavorable: 26% (+1)
Don't know: 5% (-2)

Pelosi is also the only Congressional leader with net favorables (43-39).



Compare those Pelosi numbers to the ones produced by Rasmussen(35-58), and you obviously see that these polls for Kos have an overwhelming Democratic bias.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 20, 2009, 06:47:03 PM
1) Favorable vs. Approval; it's different

2) Rasmussen seems to be an approval outlier, compared to nearly every other polling firm


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 20, 2009, 07:25:59 PM
1) Favorable vs. Approval; it's different

2) Rasmussen seems to be an approval outlier, compared to nearly every other polling firm

Number 2 is pretty much false. They have Obama at 59% while FOX has him at 60% and Gallup at 63%. The ones in the upper 60's are the true outliers(CNN, KOS).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 20, 2009, 07:40:47 PM
They've pretty consistently had his disapprovals about 10% higher than everyone else (except Insider Advantage and Zogby Internet): http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama.php


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 20, 2009, 08:41:01 PM
They've pretty consistently had his disapprovals about 10% higher than everyone else (except Insider Advantage and Zogby Internet): http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama.php

Well they probably push people more. The others have high numbers of "not sure" which is not really believable that a person could not have an opinion about the President of the United States.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 21, 2009, 12:53:34 AM
Georgia (Rasmussen - Feb. 17 - 500 LV):

58% Approve
41% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/georgia/toplines/toplines_georgia_likely_voters_february_17_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 21, 2009, 12:57:20 AM
According to Rasmussen's Daily Tracking, Obama's national approval was 59%.

So, if 58% approve in Georgia (which was about -5 for Obama in the '08 election) and 68% in Michigan (which was about +5 for Obama), I think his national approval must be somewhere around 63%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 21, 2009, 01:08:12 AM
New CNN poll:

67% Approve
29% Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 21, 2009, 01:28:49 AM
They've pretty consistently had his disapprovals about 10% higher than everyone else (except Insider Advantage and Zogby Internet): http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama.php

Well they probably push people more. The others have high numbers of "not sure" which is not really believable that a person could not have an opinion about the President of the United States.

Well, whatever they're methodology, it's giving results far off from every other poll that isn't a joke. We should take Rasmussen polls with a grain of salt; they seem to have something of a "house effect", if I may borrow a Silverism.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on February 21, 2009, 03:11:13 AM
Doesn't Rasmussen count "fair" as disapprove?

That makes a considerable difference and is annoying and inane.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 21, 2009, 10:00:14 AM
Doesn't Rasmussen count "fair" as disapprove?

That makes a considerable difference and is annoying and inane.

Here's the question they ask: "Do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job President Obama is doing?"

The first two add up to your approval number and the second two are the disapproval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 21, 2009, 11:12:52 AM

Biggest ones left: Michigan, Georgia, Arizona, Indiana, Maryland, and Colorado.   

Maybe sooner or later we'll get a Georgia poll by Strategic Vision and an Arizona poll by BRC or KAET, but I think it's unlikely that we'll see a poll from the other states, allthough there's a slight chance that Selzer may poll Michigan for the Detroit Free Press.

Selzer is really good; it got Indiana and Missouri right in 2008. Strategic Vision has a GOP bias, so I would have to give it a grain of salt as I gave PPP with its Democratic bias... 

Heck, Montana would be interesting because it was a swing state.
Approval ratings just came in for Georgia, a swing state into which Obama put much effort until September (when the GOP gave a scare):

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... and now Georgia, until now the most populous state for which an approval rating wasn't yet posted. Georgia might be equal in electoral votes to Michigan in 2012, though, as people who have a chance to leave "Michigrim" get to do so.

It looks as the GOP has its work cut out for itself if it is to achieve anything in the 2012 election. Note that Obama barely won Florida, and his approval rating in Florida approaches 70%. Right now it seems that any Republican who had to challenge Obama today for the Presidency would be the new Alf Landon... with apologies to Landon in case the personalities aren't the same.

Mercifully for the GOP, the election isn't being held today. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 21, 2009, 07:42:25 PM
I still don't understand the euphoria about Obama's approval ratings.  It's called a honeymoon you morons.  And Obama's approval rating has gone consistently down.  There is nothing to celebrate here.  Call me back at the end of the year.

In fact, his approval is tanking in the Rasmussen poll, down to 57% today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on February 21, 2009, 07:45:48 PM
I still don't understand the euphoria about Obama's approval ratings.  It's called a honeymoon you morons.  And Obama's approval rating has gone consistently down.  There is nothing to celebrate here.  Call me back at the end of the year.

In fact, his approval is tanking in the Rasmussen poll, down to 57% today.

I give him one month before he gets impeached.
;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 21, 2009, 07:46:05 PM
I still don't understand the euphoria about Obama's approval ratings.  It's called a honeymoon you morons.  And Obama's approval rating has gone consistently down.  There is nothing to celebrate here.  Call me back at the end of the year.

In fact, his approval is tanking in the Rasmussen poll, down to 57% today.

What a joke. Even Fox has 60%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 21, 2009, 07:49:16 PM
I still don't understand the euphoria about Obama's approval ratings.  It's called a honeymoon you morons.  And Obama's approval rating has gone consistently down.  There is nothing to celebrate here.  Call me back at the end of the year.

In fact, his approval is tanking in the Rasmussen poll, down to 57% today.

What a joke. Even Fox has 60%.

Yeah, call the most accurate pollster in 2008 a joke. See what there gets you.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 21, 2009, 07:52:47 PM
I still don't understand the euphoria about Obama's approval ratings.  It's called a honeymoon you morons.  And Obama's approval rating has gone consistently down.  There is nothing to celebrate here.  Call me back at the end of the year.

In fact, his approval is tanking in the Rasmussen poll, down to 57% today.

What a joke. Even Fox has 60%.

Yeah, call the most accurate pollster in 2008 a joke. See what there gets you.

That doesn't stop his approval rating polls from being some serious outliers. Toss out the 2 biggest outliers (Rasmussen and CNN), and it's clear that his approval rating is in the 60s.
http://www.pollingreport.com/obama_job.htm


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 21, 2009, 07:56:05 PM
I still don't understand the euphoria about Obama's approval ratings.  It's called a honeymoon you morons.  And Obama's approval rating has gone consistently down.  There is nothing to celebrate here.  Call me back at the end of the year.

In fact, his approval is tanking in the Rasmussen poll, down to 57% today.

What a joke. Even Fox has 60%.

Yeah, call the most accurate pollster in 2008 a joke. See what there gets you.

That doesn't stop his approval rating polls from being some serious outliers. Toss out the 2 biggest outliers (Rasmussen and CNN), and it's clear that his approval rating is in the 60s.
http://www.pollingreport.com/obama_job.htm

Those polls are outdated.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 21, 2009, 07:58:29 PM
I still don't understand the euphoria about Obama's approval ratings.  It's called a honeymoon you morons.  And Obama's approval rating has gone consistently down.  There is nothing to celebrate here.  Call me back at the end of the year.

In fact, his approval is tanking in the Rasmussen poll, down to 57% today.

What a joke. Even Fox has 60%.

Yeah, call the most accurate pollster in 2008 a joke. See what there gets you.

That doesn't stop his approval rating polls from being some serious outliers. Toss out the 2 biggest outliers (Rasmussen and CNN), and it's clear that his approval rating is in the 60s.
http://www.pollingreport.com/obama_job.htm

Those polls are outdated.

Hardly. The 3 most recent from there:
CNN 2/18-19 67%
Fox 2/17-18 60%
AP 2/12-17 67%

Also, Research 2000 2/16-19 69%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 21, 2009, 08:02:47 PM
I still don't understand the euphoria about Obama's approval ratings.  It's called a honeymoon you morons.  And Obama's approval rating has gone consistently down.  There is nothing to celebrate here.  Call me back at the end of the year.

In fact, his approval is tanking in the Rasmussen poll, down to 57% today.

What a joke. Even Fox has 60%.

Yeah, call the most accurate pollster in 2008 a joke. See what there gets you.

That doesn't stop his approval rating polls from being some serious outliers. Toss out the 2 biggest outliers (Rasmussen and CNN), and it's clear that his approval rating is in the 60s.
http://www.pollingreport.com/obama_job.htm

Those polls are outdated.

Hardly. The 3 most recent from there:
CNN 2/18-19 67%
Fox 2/17-18 60%
AP 2/12-17 67%

Also, Research 2000 2/16-19 69%


Rasmussen polls Likely Voters, meaning he uses a realistic voter breakdown. The others just pick random people off the streets.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 21, 2009, 08:13:46 PM
Likely voters for what? The election is 4 years away.

And Rasmussen was far from the most accurate pollster in 2008. They were pretty mediocre overall, and had a bit of a Republican bias.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 21, 2009, 08:16:30 PM
Likely voters for what? The election is 4 years away.

And Rasmussen was far from the most accurate pollster in 2008. They were pretty mediocre overall, and had a bit of a Republican bias.

On the national poll they were essentially dead on. They had 52-46, the final was 53-46. I'd call that pretty damn accurate. Did I say they got the states right?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on February 21, 2009, 09:01:03 PM
Likely voters for what? The election is 4 years away.

And Rasmussen was far from the most accurate pollster in 2008. They were pretty mediocre overall, and had a bit of a Republican bias.

On the national poll they were essentially dead on. They had 52-46, the final was 53-46. I'd call that pretty damn accurate. Did I say they got the states right?

When you're determining who is a good pollster, ignoring state polling in favor of the final national result is a bad idea.  It's essentially taking one poll and ignoring dozens of others that use a similar methodology.

Either way, an LV screen right now does very little.  The only criteria that can be employed, is past electoral participation.  I'd much prefer RV for now.  Adult does tend to have a Democratic bias.

But you're still doing that annoying mode of analysis you did last time you were here.  You do realize that you were, how to say this, completely wrong?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 21, 2009, 09:04:21 PM
Likely voters for what? The election is 4 years away.

And Rasmussen was far from the most accurate pollster in 2008. They were pretty mediocre overall, and had a bit of a Republican bias.

On the national poll they were essentially dead on. They had 52-46, the final was 53-46. I'd call that pretty damn accurate. Did I say they got the states right?

When you're determining who is a good pollster, ignoring state polling in favor of the final national result is a bad idea.  It's essentially taking one poll and ignoring dozens of others that use a similar methodology.

Either way, an LV screen right now does very little.  The only criteria that can be employed, is past electoral participation.  I'd much prefer RV for now.  Adult does tend to have a Democratic bias.

But you're still doing that annoying mode of analysis you did last time you were here.  You do realize that you were, how to say this, completely wrong?

Apparently I haven't. And the only RV poll out there right now is FOX and that is at 60%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on February 21, 2009, 09:11:56 PM
Likely voters for what? The election is 4 years away.

And Rasmussen was far from the most accurate pollster in 2008. They were pretty mediocre overall, and had a bit of a Republican bias.

On the national poll they were essentially dead on. They had 52-46, the final was 53-46. I'd call that pretty damn accurate. Did I say they got the states right?

When you're determining who is a good pollster, ignoring state polling in favor of the final national result is a bad idea.  It's essentially taking one poll and ignoring dozens of others that use a similar methodology.

Either way, an LV screen right now does very little.  The only criteria that can be employed, is past electoral participation.  I'd much prefer RV for now.  Adult does tend to have a Democratic bias.

But you're still doing that annoying mode of analysis you did last time you were here.  You do realize that you were, how to say this, completely wrong?

Apparently I haven't. And the only RV poll out there right now is FOX and that is at 60%.

It's equally unnecessary to just disregard adult polls, though.  If you ask an average group of adults, "are you registered to vote?," many will lie in the affirmative.  Therefore, the % RV is not really hugely lower than the % adult.  It does not account for a nine-point swing like that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 21, 2009, 09:14:53 PM
Likely voters for what? The election is 4 years away.

And Rasmussen was far from the most accurate pollster in 2008. They were pretty mediocre overall, and had a bit of a Republican bias.

On the national poll they were essentially dead on. They had 52-46, the final was 53-46. I'd call that pretty damn accurate. Did I say they got the states right?

When you're determining who is a good pollster, ignoring state polling in favor of the final national result is a bad idea.  It's essentially taking one poll and ignoring dozens of others that use a similar methodology.

Either way, an LV screen right now does very little.  The only criteria that can be employed, is past electoral participation.  I'd much prefer RV for now.  Adult does tend to have a Democratic bias.

But you're still doing that annoying mode of analysis you did last time you were here.  You do realize that you were, how to say this, completely wrong?

Apparently I haven't. And the only RV poll out there right now is FOX and that is at 60%.

It's equally unnecessary to just disregard adult polls, though.  If you ask an average group of adults, "are you registered to vote?," many will lie in the affirmative.  Therefore, the % RV is not really hugely lower than the % adult.  It does not account for a nine-point swing like that.

You also have to take into account the quality of the pollster. CNN and R2K are known to have a liberal bias.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on February 21, 2009, 09:18:03 PM
You also have to take into account the quality of the pollster. CNN and R2K are known to have a liberal bias.

1. "Are known to"?  Is this a feeling, or do you have 2008 analytical numbers?  It may be true, but I doubt you know why other than because you want it to be.

2. You're known to have a sharp implicit conservative bias, but yet you never ever ever ever account for that.  You account for other biases rigorously, but only in order to support your own.  What the hell is up with that?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 21, 2009, 09:23:26 PM
You also have to take into account the quality of the pollster. CNN and R2K are known to have a liberal bias.

1. "Are known to"?  Is this a feeling, or do you have 2008 analytical numbers?  It may be true, but I doubt you know why other than because you want it to be.

2. You're known to have a sharp implicit conservative bias, but yet you never ever ever ever account for that.  You account for other biases rigorously, but only in order to support your own.  What the hell is up with that?

1. In some states they did, but since they never released the crosstabs its hard to tell.
2. I am a moderate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on February 21, 2009, 09:27:19 PM
You also have to take into account the quality of the pollster. CNN and R2K are known to have a liberal bias.

1. "Are known to"?  Is this a feeling, or do you have 2008 analytical numbers?  It may be true, but I doubt you know why other than because you want it to be.

2. You're known to have a sharp implicit conservative bias, but yet you never ever ever ever account for that.  You account for other biases rigorously, but only in order to support your own.  What the hell is up with that?

1. In some states they did, but since they never released the crosstabs its hard to tell.

Why would the crosstabs be relevant to the topline?  We're not adjusting for crosstabs with these polls, either.


I don't care if you're a full-fledged communist.  Your "adjustment" techniques render a sharp pro-Republican bias to your analysis.  Your political affiliation does not make the analysis any less bad.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 21, 2009, 09:29:25 PM
You also have to take into account the quality of the pollster. CNN and R2K are known to have a liberal bias.

1. "Are known to"?  Is this a feeling, or do you have 2008 analytical numbers?  It may be true, but I doubt you know why other than because you want it to be.

2. You're known to have a sharp implicit conservative bias, but yet you never ever ever ever account for that.  You account for other biases rigorously, but only in order to support your own.  What the hell is up with that?

1. In some states they did, but since they never released the crosstabs its hard to tell.

Why would the crosstabs be relevant to the topline?  We're not adjusting for crosstabs with these polls, either.


I don't care if you're a full-fledged communist.  Your "adjustment" techniques render a sharp pro-Republican bias to your analysis.  Your political affiliation does not make the analysis any less bad.

They are relevant because if they oversampled Democrats and just happened to get lucky with the topline, that doesn't make them a good pollster.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on February 21, 2009, 09:36:32 PM
They are relevant because if they oversampled Democrats and just happened to get lucky with the topline, that doesn't make them a good pollster.

That's a fair point.  However, in the past you've used that just to claim that Democrats are oversampled, and it turned out you were wrong.

Which brings me to the half of my post you clearly ignored, and I eagerly await an answer to.  This is your chance to admit analytical fault, correct for your errors, and redeem yourself -- the scientific way!

Or, keep living in fantasyland and I'll keep annoying you like this.  What's your choice on this one?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 21, 2009, 09:41:36 PM
They are relevant because if they oversampled Democrats and just happened to get lucky with the topline, that doesn't make them a good pollster.

That's a fair point.  However, in the past you've used that just to claim that Democrats are oversampled, and it turned out you were wrong.

Which brings me to the half of my post you clearly ignored, and I eagerly await an answer to.  This is your chance to admit analytical fault, correct for your errors, and redeem yourself -- the scientific way!

Or, keep living in fantasyland and I'll keep annoying you like this.  What's your choice on this one?

I'll admit that in 2008 there was an ahistorical party ID jump towards the Democrats that I did not expect. To go from a tie in party ID to D+8 was something that I found hard to believe. I was basing my analysis off of history, and it turned out to be wrong. Life goes on.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on February 21, 2009, 09:42:52 PM
So you think that you used the information available to the best of your abilities?

And you think that you are not any more zealous in adjusting for things that favor Republicans, than Democrats?

That's your final answer?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 21, 2009, 09:49:17 PM
So you think that you used the information available to the best of your abilities?

Probably not.

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And you think that you are not any more zealous in adjusting for things that favor Republicans, than Democrats?

Of course I am going to try to make things seem better for my candidate than they might appear to be, everyone does that to some degree. But at no point after mid-September, did I ever believe McCain actually had a shot to win.

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That's your final answer?

I'd like to phone a friend first.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Meeker on February 21, 2009, 10:31:01 PM
I find it really funny when anyone thinks Alcon is being a hack for either side.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 21, 2009, 10:37:10 PM
I find it really funny when anyone thinks Alcon is being a hack for either side.

Well, I sort of agree. He plays both sides so frequently that he can't be established as a hack for just one side.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on February 21, 2009, 10:45:28 PM
I still don't understand the euphoria about Obama's approval ratings.  It's called a honeymoon you morons.  And Obama's approval rating has gone consistently down.  There is nothing to celebrate here.  Call me back at the end of the year.

In fact, his approval is tanking in the Rasmussen poll, down to 57% today.

Time to resign, I guess.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on February 21, 2009, 11:12:48 PM
Probably not.

...

Of course I am going to try to make things seem better for my candidate than they might appear to be, everyone does that to some degree. But at no point after mid-September, did I ever believe McCain actually had a shot to win.

It's a natural human tendency to overestimate evidence to fit a precept.  Most people over-adjust toward what they want to be true.  Some people over-adjust toward pessimism, because then they're always pleasantly surprised.  Others (studly others with I-WA avatars) attempt to compensate artificially for this, by observing their biases and trying to create "weighted" auto-corrections.  And others use different methods of correction.  Corrections like these aren't perfect (or even close!), but they tend to be closer to reality than what our minds initially tell us.

Outright "try[ing] to make things seem better for my candidate than they might appear to be" is even worse than just working on those precepts.  It's, like, bad ESPN football analysis.  "Everyone" does not do that.  And, what's the point?  I guess, if the point of political analysis for you is to find creative ways to prove that what you want to happen, will happen, that's an option.  But, even ifyour goal is creative thinking, the resulting info is totally poisoned.  You could make it more useful.  As it is, the product of your analysis has nothing to with actuality.  It's useless.

I'm not advocating the way I (over)compensate, but knowing you have a bias and encouraging yourself to propagate it, is even worse than pretending that it doesn't exist.  Which is bad enough.  Things will inevitably end up not corresponding with reality.  If you're going in with the intent of making them correspond with reality as little as possible (that is, "make things seem better than they might appear to be"), why even bother advancing your theories?

So, if you're going for something other than realism...well, mazel tov with getting people interested in that.  Otherwise, I ask again:  What the hell?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 21, 2009, 11:19:36 PM
Probably not.

...

Of course I am going to try to make things seem better for my candidate than they might appear to be, everyone does that to some degree. But at no point after mid-September, did I ever believe McCain actually had a shot to win.

It's a natural human tendency to overestimate evidence to fit a precept.  Most people over-adjust toward what they want to be true.  Some people over-adjust toward pessimism, because then they're always pleasantly surprised.  Others (studly others with I-WA avatars) attempt to compensate artificially for this, by observing their biases and trying to create "weighted" auto-corrections.  And others use different methods of correction.  Corrections like these aren't perfect (or even close!), but they tend to be closer to reality than what our minds initially tell us.

Outright "try[ing] to make things seem better for my candidate than they might appear to be" is even worse than just working on those precepts.  It's, like, bad ESPN football analysis.  "Everyone" does not do that.  And, what's the point?  I guess, if the point of political analysis for you is to find creative ways to prove that what you want to happen, will happen, that's an option.  But, even ifyour goal is creative thinking, the resulting info is totally poisoned.  You could make it more useful.  As it is, the product of your analysis has nothing to with actuality.  It's useless.

I'm not advocating the way I (over)compensate, but knowing you have a bias and encouraging yourself to propagate it, is even worse than pretending that it doesn't exist.  Which is bad enough.  Things will inevitably end up not corresponding with reality.  If you're going in with the intent of making them correspond with reality as little as possible (that is, "make things seem better than they might appear to be"), why even bother advancing your theories?

So, if you're going for something other than realism...well, mazel tov with getting people interested in that.  Otherwise, I ask again:  What the hell?

Thanks for the lecture. If my goal in life was to please you then I might care, but since it's not, I will continue to be optimistic about my candidates chances, even if that is somehow unacceptable to you.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on February 21, 2009, 11:23:47 PM
That wasn't a lecture, that was a question with paragraphs!  A question with paragraphs!

I'm not asking you to be likable.  I'm just saying there are more private places to masturbate than Internet forums

Metaphorically speaking.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 21, 2009, 11:30:50 PM
That wasn't a lecture, that was a question with paragraphs!  A question with paragraphs!

I'm not asking you to be likable.  I'm just saying there are more private places to masturbate than Internet forums

Metaphorically speaking.

Isn't that the whole point of forums? So people can masturbate together? Metaphorically speaking of course.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on February 21, 2009, 11:34:06 PM
That wasn't a lecture, that was a question with paragraphs!  A question with paragraphs!

I'm not asking you to be likable.  I'm just saying there are more private places to masturbate than Internet forums

Metaphorically speaking.

Isn't that the whole point of forums? So people can masturbate together? Metaphorically speaking of course.

You're creeping me out.  Unmetaphorically.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 22, 2009, 12:53:07 AM
I still don't understand the euphoria about Obama's approval ratings.  It's called a honeymoon you morons.  And Obama's approval rating has gone consistently down.  There is nothing to celebrate here.  Call me back at the end of the year.

Cut the allegations of stupidity.

Sure, it might be a honeymoon.  Note well that when the approval rating is above the percentage that voted for him, that something has gone right. The approval rating is above the voting percentage.

What could that mean?

1. That Obama has shown clearly what his administration will be like for until the next Presidential election.

Unlikely. Things can change rapidly. Nobody ever expected George W. Bush to preside over the most extensive interventions in the economy even as late as August 2008.

2. That he has made no severe and irreversible blunders.

That depends upon one's ideology.

3. That he has kept campaigning after winning the election.

That would be pathological if such were true.

4. He was a stronger candidate than the votes suggested in November.

That says more about John McCain than about Barack Obama. Considering how dreadful Dubya was, McCain could hardly have been anything less than an improvement.  Would McCain have similar approval ratings had he won? Maybe.

5. It's the normal respect for the winner if not an incumbent.

He will need to sacrifice some political capital to achieve what he wants to achieve, and both  the economy and extant wars stand to bite back.

6. He has fostered expectations that he can never achieve.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 23, 2009, 01:46:34 PM
2/23/09:

Rasmussen 58%/40%
Gallup 62%/25%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 23, 2009, 02:37:52 PM
What Happened to the Hopemonger?

By David Paul Kuhn

Here's a fact that will probably shock you: Americans today have the same level of confidence in President Obama as they had in George W. Bush after his first month in office. According to Gallup, Obama's public approval rating currently stands at 63 percent, only a point above George W. Bush in late February 2001.

Few modern presidents have been greeted with such lofty expectations as Obama. That Obama now stands where Bush did eight years ago, on the eve of his first address to a joint session of Congress on Tuesday, serves as a reminder of how quickly the demands of the presidency can sober even the most talented politicians.

Obama's popularity today, by Gallup's measure, is a few points higher than Bill Clinton, Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan at the infancy of their presidencies. He precisely matches George H.W. Bush. And excluding Harry Truman and Lyndon Johnson who took office amid tragedy, and therefore earned staggeringly high early approval, Obama is notably shy of other new presidents. Jimmy Carter and John Kennedy had more than seven out of 10 Americans behind them at the close of their first February in office.

This is the stage Obama takes tomorrow. The hardest legislative battles are before him and the luster that greeted him on Inauguration Day is now behind him.

It's long been said that presidents are only as powerful as their public perception. Already, President Obama has lost a measure of his hopefulness at the moment he most requires it. The public seems to have noticed. And there are some in Washington who speculate that Obama's standing could still worsen.

"Obama is in a much weaker position than his poll numbers suggest and I think that the whole thing could collapse on him sooner rather than later," Doug Schoen, one of Bill Clinton's former pollsters, said.

That remains to be seen. But even at this early stage, Obama has already assumed a good deal of risk. With his first major legislative accomplishment, a $787 billion dollar economic stimulus bill, he has taken ownership of an economy that could quickly worsen.

Obama's potential legislative achievements ahead will be directly tied to his popularity, which has ebbed a couple points in recent weeks. The portion of the public disapproving of the president has also doubled over that period, from 12 percent to 24 percent.

Just last year, President Bush was unable to rally his own party around his bailout legislation because he no longer carried with him the perception of public support. There was a similar impasse a couple years earlier as Bush pushed for immigration reform.

Obama's challenges are far greater than Bush's at the outset of his presidency, as are his objectives. Obama's domestic agenda is the most ambitious since Lyndon Johnson.

President Johnson, however, reminds us of what can go wrong. LBJ aspired to be the greatest president since Franklin Roosevelt. But he escalated a war without end and lost control of the times. Obama's fate is not likely that of Johnson's. But despite the allusions to Roosevelt, comparisons to FDR may be no more apt.

Obama seems however not to be discussed in these sober terms. In fact the one person who could use less sober words, the president himself, seems too solemn in his first weeks.

Obama scoffed during the 2008 campaign at some in Washington considering him, in Obama's words, a "hope-monger." But this is not Obama’'s problem of late. The Democratic president is not offering Carter's malaise. But now some wonder whether the president is helping matters by repeatedly comparing the nation's hard times to its worst economic catastrophe, the Great Depression.

The unemployment rate remains a third of what it was in the first year of Franklin Roosevelt's presidency. FDR inherited a stock market that was 75 percent below its 1929 high. It took decades for the market to return to that high. Obama is right to worry about what more could happen, but he's hardly helping the markets when he repeatedly harkens to its most horrible era.

Moreover, it never helps a player who is in a slump to keep talking about it. So it is with the nation as well. There are now increasingly calls for Obama to move toward the more convincing and sanguine rhetoric of Roosevelt and Reagan. Last week, the president who came from a place called Hope (Arkansas) asked for more soaring words from the candidate of hope. Bill Clinton praised Obama's realism, but he added to ABC News that he “would like” Obama to conclude his speeches “by saying that he is hopeful and completely convinced we’re gonna come through this.” Clinton's talent is not just that he uses optimistic words, but that he conveys reassurance as well. Obama must do no less, especially since some of his ebb in popularity may be partially rooted in his more somber tone.

FDR owned this sense of optimism. His inaugural address framed fear as the antagonist with the famous line, “the only thing we have to fear is fear itself.” He spoke of overcoming the Great Depression in war-like terms, requesting similarly broad executive powers. He said what mattered was to “try something.” Obama has taken that lesson to heart. Yet FDR was able to do so, in part, because he kept the country believing that he could.

"You have a lot of people invested in this guy succeeding," said Republican pollster Tony Fabrizio of Obama. Fabrizio believes its “always better to under promise and over deliver.”

That may be true when it comes to legislation and predicting public support, but Schoen argues that a president must over deliver on the big picture. Obama's restrained optimism, in Schoen's view, is not helping a president already undermined by early mishaps, such as his problems with several cabinet nominations.

"Thirty days after Obama [took office] the Democrats face much more vulnerability than I ever thought was Possible," Schoen said.

Obama came into office with unrivaled good will. Now his early Bush-like level of popularity reminds his White House that goodwill can only do so much.

But that Obama remains slightly more popular than Reagan, after his first month, reminds the White House that a president can take on a lofty aura that sometimes eludes him early on. In January 1981, Reagan inherited the same unemployment rate as Obama. But Reagan conveyed in words and tone Americans indigenous optimism, as Obama still must.

Both Reagan and Obama began their presidencies with less than one in five Americans “satisfied” with the direction of the country. At the same time, today, like when Reagan first took office, eight in 10 Americans remain “satisfied with the way things are going in” their “own personal life.” Recently, the Pew Research Center found that 46 percent of Americans believe “the nation's economy will improve” in the next year. By comparison, 59 percent of Americans believe their personal finances will improve.

In other words, the people today seem more optimistic than their president. They haven't given up hope, and Obama's burden tomorrow is to demonstrate that neither has he.
David Paul Kuhn is the author of The Neglected Voter.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/02/what_happened_to_the_hopemonge.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 23, 2009, 04:01:56 PM
We now discover how much hidden damage happened under our 43rd President.  The banking failures demonstrate the folly of Dubya's demagoguery of "every family owning a home" despite low incomes. The job losses demonstrate the tendency of entities once known as manufacturers becoming importers instead.

In late February 2001 Americans continued to bask in the Indian Summer of the aftermath of the Clinton era in which government was still small (give appropriate credit to the Republican-majority Congress that kept Clinton from enacting the big programs of his dreams, of course); eight years later we reel from massive corruption and incompetence in Big Business. Government takes over failing entities -- something unnecessary except for failures. Hank Paulson and George W. Bush were firm believers in free enterprise and had no proclivities toward socialism. Reality had a socialist bias in the autumn of 2008.

Dubya was much less a reformer than a socialist; reform would have made the government takeovers of business unnecessary.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 23, 2009, 05:11:20 PM
We now discover how much hidden damage happened under our 43rd President.  The banking failures demonstrate the folly of Dubya's demagoguery of "every family owning a home" despite low incomes. The job losses demonstrate the tendency of entities once known as manufacturers becoming importers instead.

Uhh, I think you are confusing presidents. That was Clinton.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 24, 2009, 01:09:54 AM
NYT/CBS News Poll:

63% Approve
22% Disapprove

The latest New York Times/CBS News poll is based on telephone interviews conducted Feb. 18 through Feb. 22 with 1,112 adults throughout the United States.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20090224poll-results.pdf

Washington Post/ABC News Poll:

68% Approve
25% Disapprove

This ABC News/Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone Feb. 19-22, 2009, among a random national sample of 1,001 adults including both landline and cell phone-only respondents.

http://abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/1086a2ObamaatOneMonth.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 24, 2009, 01:26:33 AM
This week we should also get fresh 15-state numbers from SUSA ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 24, 2009, 01:35:11 AM
North Carolina (Civitas Institute):

65% Approve
16% Disapprove

The study of 600 registered voters was conducted Feb. 16 to 19, 2009. All respondents were part of a fully representative sample of registered voters in North Carolina. For purposes of this study, voters we interviewed had to have voted in either the 2004, 2006 or 2008 general elections or were newly registered voters since 2008. The confidence interval associated with a sample of this size is such that: 95 percent of the time, results from 600 interviews (registered voters) will be within +-4%.

http://www.wnct.com/nct/news/local/article/nc_president_obama_poll_results/32263/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 24, 2009, 01:48:29 AM
Obama should resign. It's clear that the American people have rejected his socialist, possibly Muslim, agenda.

DEMINT/CANTOR 2012


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on February 24, 2009, 01:57:04 AM
Obama should resign. It's clear that the American people have rejected his socialist, possibly Muslim, agenda.

DEMINT/CANTOR 2012

No way a leftist Jew f****t like Cantor will be on the ticket.

DeMint/Coburn!
And just in case that doesn't work, Santorum/Limbaugh.
:)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 24, 2009, 11:00:58 AM
Rasmussen Obama Approval 2/24/09:

Overall 59.5%/39.2%

GOP: 32.5%/66.8%
DEM: 86.1%/11.9%
INDY: 51.2%/47.8%

MEN: 51.6%/47.6%
WOMEN: 66.3%/31.9%

WHITE: 56.1%/43.2%
BLACK: 85.7%/8.8%
OTHER: 55.9%/43.4%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 24, 2009, 03:22:56 PM
SurveyUSA has just released the new February polls from 14 states:

Alabama:

48% Approve (-12)
45% Disapprove (+21)

California:

63% Approve (-14)
33% Disapprove (+18)

Iowa:

63% Approve (-5)
32% Disapprove (+10)

Kansas:

54% Approve (-8)
37% Disapprove (+13)

Kentucky:

57% Approve (-5)
37% Disapprove (+12)

Massachusetts:

66% Approve (-12)
29% Disapprove (+18)

Minnesota:

62% Approve (-2)
32% Disapprove (+11)

Missouri:

51% Approve (-14)
43% Disapprove (+22)

New Mexico:

59% Approve (-6)
34% Disapprove (+12)

New York:

70% Approve (-8)
25% Disapprove (+14)

Oregon:

61% Approve (-7)
32% Disapprove (+14)

Virginia:

54% Approve (-8)
42% Disapprove (+19)

Washington:

64% Approve (-5)
32% Disapprove (+15)

Wisconsin:

60% Approve (-10)
37% Disapprove (+19)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 24, 2009, 04:54:29 PM
Obama should resign. It's clear that the American people have rejected his socialist, possibly Muslim, agenda.

DEMINT/CANTOR 2012

...

So you're being just as idiotic as the people saying he's guaranteed to lose?

We're barely a month into his Presidency, folks. It's not time for anyone to get cocky.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 24, 2009, 05:54:02 PM
Obama should resign. It's clear that the American people have rejected his socialist, possibly Muslim, agenda.

DEMINT/CANTOR 2012

...

So you're being just as idiotic as the people saying he's guaranteed to lose?

We're barely a month into his Presidency, folks. It's not time for anyone to get cocky.

When did I say he was guaranteed to win? I was just making fun of the hacks who think Obama's approvals are collapsing or that the stimulus/his economic policies are unpopular.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 24, 2009, 08:32:31 PM

When did I say he was guaranteed to win? I was just making fun of the hacks who think Obama's approvals are collapsing or that the stimulus/his economic policies are unpopular.

Well, maybe you haven't said it out right but you've implied it and haven't once corrected these ridiculous maps that have him practically sweeping the nation.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 24, 2009, 08:37:16 PM

When did I say he was guaranteed to win? I was just making fun of the hacks who think Obama's approvals are collapsing or that the stimulus/his economic policies are unpopular.

Well, maybe you haven't said it out right but you've implied it and haven't once corrected these ridiculous maps that have him practically sweeping the nation.

Anything is possible, as you so like to say. A Reagan/Nixon/LBJ-re-election-esque victory is a distinct possibility.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on February 24, 2009, 08:39:32 PM
It looks like Alabama is starting to remember that it's Alabama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 24, 2009, 08:39:45 PM

When did I say he was guaranteed to win? I was just making fun of the hacks who think Obama's approvals are collapsing or that the stimulus/his economic policies are unpopular.

Well, maybe you haven't said it out right but you've implied it and haven't once corrected these ridiculous maps that have him practically sweeping the nation.

Anything is possible, as you so like to say. A Reagan/Nixon/LBJ-re-election-esque victory is a distinct possibility.

Sure it is but at the same time you say that, you laugh off the possibility of a Republican landslide. Consistency problem? Absolutely.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 26, 2009, 01:53:56 PM
For the first time in Rasmussen's Daily Tracking there are no "Undecideds" today:

60% Approve
40% Disapprove

BTW, Gallup:

65% Approve
21% Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 26, 2009, 01:57:46 PM
Also, Texas Approval Ratings for Obama by PPP:

45% Approve
46% Disapprove

PPP polled 1,409 likely voters from February 18th to 20th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-2.6%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_Texas_226.pdf

Seems to be the first poll that shows a negative rating for Obama ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 26, 2009, 02:09:20 PM
California (Public Policy Institute of California):

70% Approve
16% Disapprove

This report presents the responses of 2,502 California adult residents, including 1,453 likely
voters. Interviewing took place on weekday nights and weekend days from February 3–17, 2009.

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/survey/S_209MBS.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 26, 2009, 02:15:33 PM
Pennsylvania (Franklin & Marshall):

How would you rate the way that Barack Obama is handling his job as president?

55% Excellent/Good
36% Fair/Poor

Is your opinion of Barack Obama favorable or unfavorable ?

56% Favorable
23% Unfavorable

The survey findings presented in this release are based on the results of interviews conducted February 17-22, 2009. The data included in this release represent the responses of 644 adult residents of Pennsylvania. The sample error for this survey is +/- 3.9 percent.

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/download/2009/0226/18801144.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 26, 2009, 04:01:41 PM

Biggest ones left: Michigan, Georgia, Arizona, Indiana, Maryland, and Colorado.   

Maybe sooner or later we'll get a Georgia poll by Strategic Vision and an Arizona poll by BRC or KAET, but I think it's unlikely that we'll see a poll from the other states, allthough there's a slight chance that Selzer may poll Michigan for the Detroit Free Press.

Selzer is really good; it got Indiana and Missouri right in 2008. Strategic Vision has a GOP bias, so I would have to give it a grain of salt as I gave PPP with its Democratic bias... 

Heck, Montana would be interesting because it was a swing state.
Approval ratings just came in for Georgia, a swing state into which Obama put much effort until September (when the GOP gave a scare):

(
)

... and we get new numbers, if no 'new' states polled Declines, largely, but not huge ones or where one wouldn't expect them.

It looks as the GOP has its work cut out for itself if it is to achieve anything in the 2012 election. Note that Obama barely won Florida, and his approval rating in Florida approaches 70%. Right now it seems that any Republican who had to challenge Obama today for the Presidency would be the new Alf Landon... with apologies to Landon in case the personalities aren't the same.

Mercifully for the GOP, the election still isn't being held today. 


Adjustments made. Yellow indicates approval under 50%. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 26, 2009, 07:14:02 PM
Obama has a net +10 improvement in two days, says Gallup.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

Approve: 65%
Disapprove: 21%
Don't Know: 14%

Clearly, Obama should just give a fancy prime time speech every month, and he'll be popular forever.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 27, 2009, 11:20:38 AM
Latest DailyKos/R2000 weekly update:

71% Favorable
25% Unfavorable

A total of 2400 adults nationally were interviewed by telephone. A cross-section of calls was made into each state in the country in order to reflect the adult population nationally. The margin for error, according to standards customarily used by statisticians, is no more than plus or minus 2% percentage points.

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklytrends
http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypoll/2009/2/26


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on February 27, 2009, 11:27:49 AM
Latest DailyKos/R2000 weekly update:

71% Favorable
25% Unfavorable

A total of 2400 adults nationally were interviewed by telephone. A cross-section of calls was made into each state in the country in order to reflect the adult population nationally. The margin for error, according to standards customarily used by statisticians, is no more than plus or minus 2% percentage points.

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklytrends
http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypoll/2009/2/26

Has the RNC installed the ''Countdown to impeachment'' clock yet?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Holmes on February 27, 2009, 02:17:15 PM
Obama has a net +10 improvement in two days, says Gallup.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

Approve: 65%
Disapprove: 21%
Don't Know: 14%

Clearly, Obama should just give a fancy prime time speech every month, and he'll be popular forever.
[o,g]http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/fsvxqfje20ybafiq1cltha.gif[/img]

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: justfollowingtheelections on February 27, 2009, 04:45:28 PM
This guy is so popular, it's insane.  I was reading some of the comments on his decision not to withdraw from Iraq at CNN and the same people who were praising him for opposing the war are now calling Pelosi names for disagreeing with the Chosen One.  I'm so glad now I didn't vote for this liar (I voted for Nader).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on February 27, 2009, 05:15:08 PM
He's still withdrawing from Iraq.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Holmes on February 27, 2009, 05:15:20 PM
He's ending the war and its spending by August 2010 and all troops will be out by 2011, is CNN spinning this or something?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: justfollowingtheelections on February 27, 2009, 05:18:59 PM
Well Pelosi and other congressional leaders believe it should happen earlier, something I agree with (and something Obama based much of his campaign on as well).

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/02/27/democrats-voice-concerns-on-obamas-iraq-drawdown-plan/

As you can see most of the people making comments are saying things like "I LUUVV da PrezidenT" and are asking for Pelosi's head.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 27, 2009, 05:24:01 PM
Obama always made it clear that he would listen to the generals, and get out as carefully as we carelessly got in.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on February 27, 2009, 07:59:31 PM
Also, Texas Approval Ratings for Obama by PPP:

45% Approve
46% Disapprove

PPP polled 1,409 likely voters from February 18th to 20th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-2.6%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_Texas_226.pdf

Seems to be the first poll that shows a negative rating for Obama ...

lol Texas.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on February 27, 2009, 08:01:48 PM
Goodness why hasn't a polling agency done Indiana yet? Who cares about the Alabama approval rating?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 28, 2009, 01:06:19 AM
North Carolina (Elon University):

59% Approve
25% Disapprove

The survey was conducted Sunday, February 22nd through Thursday, February 26th of
2009. Interviews for this survey were completed with 758 adults from households in North Carolina. For a sample size of 758, there is a 95 percent probability that our survey
results are within plus or minus 3.6 percentage points.

http://www.elon.edu/docs/e-web/elonpoll/022709_ElonPollData.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Duke on February 28, 2009, 12:23:47 PM
Obama always made it clear that he would listen to the generals, and get out as carefully as we carelessly got in.

Are you seriously posting verbatim lines from Obama campaign speeches as your argument?

All Obama's Iraq plan does is abide by the SOFA signed before he ever took office.  The Iraq stuff is the least interesting news story of the month unless you've been paying literally no attention all this time.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 03, 2009, 09:55:52 AM
Obama Surge !

Rasmussen - Tuesday - 03/03/2009:

60% Approve (+2)
39% Disapprove (-2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ChrisFromNJ on March 03, 2009, 10:36:05 AM
Obama Surge !

Rasmussen - Tuesday - 03/03/2009:

60% Approve (+2)
39% Disapprove (-2)

Add a few points to the Approval column simply because it's Rasmussen(R).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 03, 2009, 01:06:06 PM
Cook Political Report/RT Strategies Poll (Feb 27-March 1, 2009):

57% Approve
28% Disapprove
15% Undecided

http://www.cookpolitical.com/poll


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 03, 2009, 02:18:14 PM
Tennessee (MTSU poll):

53% Approve
27% Disapprove

RACIST JOKES: “Nearly one in six Tennesseans has told a joke about Barack Obama’s race, and three-fourths say they’ve heard or read at least one, even though only 15 percent of Tennesseans say they would find such a joke funny.”

http://www.mtsusurveygroup.org/mtpoll/s2009/MTSU%20Poll%20National%20Report_final.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: memphis on March 03, 2009, 02:20:55 PM
Tennessee (MTSU poll):

53% Approve
27% Disapprove

RACIST JOKES: “Nearly one in six Tennesseans has told a joke about Barack Obama’s race, and three-fourths say they’ve heard or read at least one, even though only 15 percent of Tennesseans say they would find such a joke funny.”

http://www.mtsusurveygroup.org/mtpoll/s2009/MTSU%20Poll%20National%20Report_final.pdf

Just for the heck of it (and I know I'm going to get lambasted for it) this Tennesseean will tell the racist joke he heard about Obama:

Why is Obama afraid to go to sleep?


Because the last N***a who had a dream got shot.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Holmes on March 03, 2009, 02:38:20 PM
That's the first one I heard too! Actually, it was my latino boyfriend who told me, and he's the biggest Obama supporter ever, so I can't really say making racist jokes about Obama means you dislike him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on March 03, 2009, 09:03:08 PM
Obama Surge !

Rasmussen - Tuesday - 03/03/2009:

60% Approve (+2)
39% Disapprove (-2)

Add a few points to the Approval column simply because it's Rasmussen(R).

Right. Because so many polls have him higher than 60%. I guess you want to add a few to the NBC/WSJ poll too. What about the Cook Political Report? Why not even Gallup while you're at it? Give me a break dude. Obama is at 60%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on March 03, 2009, 10:33:39 PM
RACIST JOKES: “Nearly one in six Tennesseans has told a joke about Barack Obama’s...even though only 15 percent of Tennesseans say they would find such a joke funny.”

lol


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 04, 2009, 12:53:21 AM
WSJ/NBC poll (February 26-March 1, 2009):

60% Approve
26% Disapprove
14% Undecided

68% Have positive feelings about Obama
19% Have negative feelings about Obama
13% Have neutral feelings about Obama

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/090303_NBC-WSJ_poll.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Verily on March 04, 2009, 12:55:47 AM
RACIST JOKES: “Nearly one in six Tennesseans has told a joke about Barack Obama’s...even though only 15 percent of Tennesseans say they would find such a joke funny.”

lol

The most hilarious thing is that "nearly one in six" and "15%" are pretty much the same number. Some misleading reporting of the numbers...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 04, 2009, 12:59:46 AM
New York (Marist Poll)

68% Excellent/Good
28% Fair/Poor

This survey of 1,045 registered voters in New York State was conducted on February 25th and February 26th, 2009.  Registered voters were interviewed by telephone in proportion to the voter registration in each county in New York and adjusted for turnout in statewide elections.  Results are statistically significant at ±3%.  There are 480 Democrats and 314 Republicans.  Results for these subsamples are statistically significant at ±4.5% and ±5.5%, respectively.  The error margin increases for cross-tabulations.

http://www.maristpoll.marist.edu/nyspolls/NY090303.htm


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 04, 2009, 01:14:02 AM
Biggest ones left: Michigan, Georgia, Arizona, Indiana, Maryland, and Colorado.   

Maybe sooner or later we'll get a Georgia poll by Strategic Vision and an Arizona poll by BRC or KAET, but I think it's unlikely that we'll see a poll from the other states, allthough there's a slight chance that Selzer may poll Michigan for the Detroit Free Press.

Selzer is really good; it got Indiana and Missouri right in 2008. Strategic Vision has a GOP bias, so I would have to give it a grain of salt as I gave PPP with its Democratic bias... 

Heck, Montana would be interesting because it was a swing state.
Approval ratings just came in for Georgia, a swing state into which Obama put much effort until September (when the GOP gave a scare):

(
)

... and we get new numbers, if no 'new' states polled Declines, largely, but not huge ones or where one wouldn't expect them.

It looks as the GOP has its work cut out for itself if it is to achieve anything in the 2012 election. Note that Obama barely won Florida, and his approval rating in Florida approaches 70%. Right now it seems that any Republican who had to challenge Obama today for the Presidency would be the new Alf Landon... with apologies to Landon in case the personalities aren't the same.

Mercifully for the GOP, the election still isn't being held today. 



Adjustments made. Yellow indicates approval under 50%. 


... If Obama is above 50% in Tennessee, then that suggests that the GOP has its work cut out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on March 04, 2009, 01:59:27 AM
RACIST JOKES: “Nearly one in six Tennesseans has told a joke about Barack Obama’s...even though only 15 percent of Tennesseans say they would find such a joke funny.”

lol

The most hilarious thing is that "nearly one in six" and "15%" are pretty much the same number. Some misleading reporting of the numbers...

That's exactly what I was lol'ing at :P  In fact, ostensibly the "not funny" one is likely to be higher, since 15% is closer to one in seven.  But then there's rounding...

Still, funny.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Saxwsylvania on March 04, 2009, 02:04:13 AM

Biggest ones left: Michigan, Georgia, Arizona, Indiana, Maryland, and Colorado.   

... If Obama is above 50% in Tennessee, then that suggests that the GOP has its work cut out.

Dude.  It's called a honeymoon.  We're less than two months into Obama's term.  Quit being a moron.  When it's this time in 2012 and these are Obama's numbers, then you can gloat.  Until then, regard Obama's approval as mere trivia.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 04, 2009, 02:10:23 PM
New California Field Poll:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on March 04, 2009, 09:26:54 PM
Texas (Rasmussen)

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/texas/47_of_texas_voters_support_governor_s_opposition_to_stimulus_funds)

Approve 50% (37% strongly) / Disapprove 49% (40% strongly)

Dave


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 05, 2009, 01:03:55 AM
Texas (Rasmussen)

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/texas/47_of_texas_voters_support_governor_s_opposition_to_stimulus_funds)

Approve 50% (37% strongly) / Disapprove 49% (40% strongly)

Dave

Bottom Line: Obama will not win TX in 2012 ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 05, 2009, 03:55:27 AM
Texas (Rasmussen)

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/texas/47_of_texas_voters_support_governor_s_opposition_to_stimulus_funds)

Approve 50% (37% strongly) / Disapprove 49% (40% strongly)

Dave

Bottom Line: Obama will not win TX in 2012 ...

He can, but some things have to change.

The last Democratic Presidential nominee to win Texas was Jimmy Carter in 1976. Bill Clinton's ideology was much like that of Jimmy Carter and was even from a neighboring State and did not win. (All right, the Arkansas/Texas border is short by Texas standards... but Hope, Arkansas is very close to the Texas/Arkansas state line.   

Should Obama win Texas, he wins it in at least an Eisenhower-scale landslide.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 05, 2009, 04:44:49 AM
Biggest ones left: Michigan, Georgia, Arizona, Indiana, Maryland, and Colorado.   

Maybe sooner or later we'll get a Georgia poll by Strategic Vision and an Arizona poll by BRC or KAET, but I think it's unlikely that we'll see a poll from the other states, allthough there's a slight chance that Selzer may poll Michigan for the Detroit Free Press.

Selzer is really good; it got Indiana and Missouri right in 2008. Strategic Vision has a GOP bias, so I would have to give it a grain of salt as I gave PPP with its Democratic bias... 

Heck, Montana would be interesting because it was a swing state.
Approval ratings just came in for Georgia, a swing state into which Obama put much effort until September (when the GOP gave a scare):

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... and we get new numbers, if no 'new' states polled Declines, largely, but not huge ones or where one wouldn't expect them.

It looks as the GOP has its work cut out for itself if it is to achieve anything in the 2012 election. Note that Obama barely won Florida, and his approval rating in Florida approaches 70%. Right now it seems that any Republican who had to challenge Obama today for the Presidency would be the new Alf Landon... with apologies to Landon in case the personalities aren't the same.

Mercifully for the GOP, the election still isn't being held today. 



Adjustments made. Yellow indicates approval under 50%. 


... If Obama is above 50% in Tennessee, then that suggests that the GOP has its work cut out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on March 05, 2009, 09:13:55 AM
Still stunned at no polling of Indiana. It goes Democratic for the first time in 44 years and no one polls it post-election. Honestly.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 05, 2009, 09:46:13 AM
Still stunned at no polling of Indiana. It goes Democratic for the first time in 44 years and no one polls it post-election. Honestly.

If it makes you happy:

I´ve just sent E-mails to Rasmussen, PPP, R2000, SurveyUSA, Selzer & Co. and Howey Gauge with a request to poll Indiana, or if they have any plans to do so ... ;)

The problem nowadays is that with the bad economy, less newspapers are willing to commission costly polls ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 05, 2009, 09:51:18 AM
Still stunned at no polling of Indiana. It goes Democratic for the first time in 44 years and no one polls it post-election. Honestly.

If it makes you happy:

I´ve just sent E-mails to Rasmussen, PPP, R2000, SurveyUSA, Selzer & Co. and Howey Gauge with a request to poll Indiana, or if they have any plans to do so ... ;)

The problem nowadays is that with the bad economy, less newspapers are willing to commission costly polls ...

Sh!t, I forgot Zogby !


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 05, 2009, 10:25:03 AM
Quick response from Del Ali of Research2000:

"Probably not until June or July when either WISH-TV or the Daily Kos commissions a poll for Indiana. I think this would be an interesting poll.
 
take care - Del"

PS: With "interesting poll" he's referring to my request that they should poll Obama vs. Romney/Huckabee/Palin/Jindal for an early look on 2012 in the state, as well as Obama's approval rating in Indiana and the perceptions of IN voters on the economy.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tagimaucia on March 05, 2009, 11:45:20 AM
Texas (Rasmussen)

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/texas/47_of_texas_voters_support_governor_s_opposition_to_stimulus_funds)

Approve 50% (37% strongly) / Disapprove 49% (40% strongly)

Dave

Bottom Line: Obama will not win TX in 2012 ...

He can, but some things have to change.

The last Democratic Presidential nominee to win Texas was Jimmy Carter in 1976. Bill Clinton's ideology was much like that of Jimmy Carter and was even from a neighboring State and did not win. (All right, the Arkansas/Texas border is short by Texas standards... but Hope, Arkansas is very close to the Texas/Arkansas state line.   

Should Obama win Texas, he wins it in at least an Eisenhower-scale landslide.

While I think it is relatively unlikely that Obama will win Texas in '12, that poll is far from a sign that he can't.  Historically, there has been a very very strong correlation between where an incumbent's approval rating is in relation to the 50% mark and their margin of victory/defeat.  Barring a remarkably strong or poor candidate on the other side, it's basically a referendum on the incumbent.  Bush's approval rating in exit polls in 2004 was 53%, he won by 3 points.  If you split the (somewhat large number of) undecideds evenly, Clinton's approval rating in polls right before the 96 election is almost exactly 58.5%, and he won by 8 1/2 points.  Again, I wouldn't put any money on it, but if Obama is at a high-ebb of popularity in November 2012, he certainly CAN win TX.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 05, 2009, 12:13:38 PM
Also interesting... Colorado and Arizona. Both are legitimate swing states, even if they gave near-10% margins for the winners of those states.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on March 05, 2009, 12:37:50 PM
Diaego/Hotline Poll

67% Approve


Outlier?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on March 05, 2009, 01:46:59 PM
Diaego/Hotline Poll

67% Approve


Outlier?

Maybe by a point or two.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 05, 2009, 02:44:17 PM

That's about right I think. 65-70% Approve, 30-35% Disapprove (if the undecideds are properly allocated as well) - with Rasmussen the outlier.

Also, the latest Fox News Poll (the newest, conducted March 3-4 among 900 RV):

63% Approve (+3)
26% Disapprove (nc)

What do you think the nation's economy needs more of right now -- the economic policies of Ronald Reagan or the economic policies of Barack Obama?

Obama: 49%
Reagan: 40%

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/030509_Poll.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on March 05, 2009, 03:11:35 PM

That's about right I think. 65-70% Approve, 30-35% Disapprove (if the undecideds are properly allocated as well) - with Rasmussen the outlier.

Also, the latest Fox News Poll (the newest, conducted March 3-4 among 900 RV):

63% Approve (+3)
26% Disapprove (nc)

What do you think the nation's economy needs more of right now -- the economic policies of Ronald Reagan or the economic policies of Barack Obama?

Obama: 49%
Reagan: 40%

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/030509_Poll.pdf

What about Gallup at 62%? Cook Political at 57%? NBC/WSJ at 60%? I think its more in the 60-63% range, rather than 65%-70%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 05, 2009, 03:16:18 PM

That's about right I think. 65-70% Approve, 30-35% Disapprove (if the undecideds are properly allocated as well) - with Rasmussen the outlier.

Also, the latest Fox News Poll (the newest, conducted March 3-4 among 900 RV):

63% Approve (+3)
26% Disapprove (nc)

What do you think the nation's economy needs more of right now -- the economic policies of Ronald Reagan or the economic policies of Barack Obama?

Obama: 49%
Reagan: 40%

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/030509_Poll.pdf

What about Gallup at 62%? Cook Political at 57%? NBC/WSJ at 60%? I think its more in the 60-63% range, rather than 65%-70%.

Those polls have all 10-25% Undecideds. In fact, no poll besides Rasmussen has ever shown Obama's disapproval higher than 29%. If you allocate the Undecides by 6/4 for Obama, you are approaching 70% Approval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on March 05, 2009, 03:26:13 PM

That's about right I think. 65-70% Approve, 30-35% Disapprove (if the undecideds are properly allocated as well) - with Rasmussen the outlier.

Also, the latest Fox News Poll (the newest, conducted March 3-4 among 900 RV):

63% Approve (+3)
26% Disapprove (nc)

What do you think the nation's economy needs more of right now -- the economic policies of Ronald Reagan or the economic policies of Barack Obama?

Obama: 49%
Reagan: 40%

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/030509_Poll.pdf

What about Gallup at 62%? Cook Political at 57%? NBC/WSJ at 60%? I think its more in the 60-63% range, rather than 65%-70%.

Those polls have all 10-25% Undecideds. In fact, no poll besides Rasmussen has ever shown Obama's disapproval higher than 29%. If you allocate the Undecides by 6/4 for Obama, you are approaching 70% Approval.

You can't just allocate undecideds like that. In fact, if they aren't willing to say they approve of Obama, I'm willing to bet they are more likely to disapprove of him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Holmes on March 05, 2009, 03:27:26 PM
That's like saying the undecideds broke way more for McCain than Obama last November, which wasn't the case obviously.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 06, 2009, 01:12:37 AM
Obama's Approval Rating in Germany, according to the monthly "Deutschlandtrend" by Infratest-dimap for the TV station ARD (1000 Germans interviewed, March 2-3):

74% Approve
2% Disapprove
24% Undecided

http://www.infratest-dimap.de/download/dt0902.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on March 06, 2009, 01:33:24 AM
Obama's Approval Rating in Germany, according to the monthly "Deutschlandtrend" by Infratest-dimap for the TV station ARD (1000 Germans interviewed, March 2-3):

74% Approve
2% Disapprove
24% Undecided

http://www.infratest-dimap.de/download/dt0902.pdf

Quite impressive.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 06, 2009, 01:40:02 AM
Obama's Approval Rating in Germany, according to the monthly "Deutschlandtrend" by Infratest-dimap for the TV station ARD (1000 Germans interviewed, March 2-3):

74% Approve
2% Disapprove
24% Undecided

http://www.infratest-dimap.de/download/dt0902.pdf

Quite impressive.

It's astonishing that the number of traitors (2%) is already this high.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on March 06, 2009, 02:17:10 AM
Obama's Approval Rating in Germany, according to the monthly "Deutschlandtrend" by Infratest-dimap for the TV station ARD (1000 Germans interviewed, March 2-3):

74% Approve
2% Disapprove
24% Undecided

http://www.infratest-dimap.de/download/dt0902.pdf

Quite impressive.

It's astonishing that the number of traitors (2%) is already this high.

What's Hitler's approval rating in Germany? 2%?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 06, 2009, 01:54:22 PM
Let's remember that the superb German intelligence services stated clearly that Saddam Hussein had no WMD programs and had no connection to international terrorism before Dubya invaded Iraq. Also, George W. Bush put his hands on Chancellor Angela Merkel once, behavior best described as repugnant.

I figure that Dubya was (and remains) extremely unpopular in Germany -- and Obama has a huge reservoir of good will. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 06, 2009, 02:09:14 PM
Minnesota (Rasmussen):

62% Approve (47% Strongly)
38% Disapprove (26% Strongly)

This state telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 3, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/-4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/minnesota/61_of_minnesota_voters_don_t_think_pawlenty_should_seek_presidency_in_2012


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 06, 2009, 02:48:40 PM
New Jersey (Fairleigh Dickinson University):

66% Approve
21% Disapprove
13% Undecided

The Fairleigh Dickinson University poll of 751 registered voters statewide was conducted by telephone from Feb. 25, 2009 through March 2, 2009, and has a margin of error of +/- 4 percentage points.

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/or/tab.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on March 06, 2009, 02:50:47 PM
National (Newsweek):

Approve 58%
Disapprove 26%
Undecided 16%

http://www.newsweek.com/id/188005


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on March 06, 2009, 02:51:13 PM
Minnesota (Rasmussen):

62% Approve (47% Strongly)
38% Disapprove (26% Strongly)

This state telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 3, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/-4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/minnesota/61_of_minnesota_voters_don_t_think_pawlenty_should_seek_presidency_in_2012

That actually seems a little low to me.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on March 06, 2009, 07:21:16 PM
Zogby Approval

Approve 52%
Disapprove 46%

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1681


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on March 06, 2009, 07:37:50 PM
Zogby Approval

Approve 52%
Disapprove 46%

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1681

Time for Drudge to bring out the sirens.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on March 06, 2009, 09:29:08 PM
Zogby Approval

Approve 52%
Disapprove 46%

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1681

LOL at Zogby.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Saxwsylvania on March 07, 2009, 08:48:40 PM
Rasmussen Reports and pollster.com shows Obama's approval dipping to his lowest yet.  Unsurprisingly, this thread has been relatively quiet today.

Here is a handy-dandy chart:

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Obama is now less popular than Eisenhower, Kennedy, Nixon, Carter, Bush 41, and Bush 43 at this point in their Presidencies.

Go Obama go!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 07, 2009, 08:54:19 PM
And more popular than Reagan, the one who had the largest victory of all of those people.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on March 07, 2009, 09:14:43 PM
Yes I know that this is fairly old, but I decided to make a graph of Obama's approval ratings in his first month (January 20 to February 19 2009 inclusively) according to Rasmussen Reports:

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It shows net approval (total approve minus total disapprove), and the information was collected from http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history).

Also interesting is this article (which has a link to the previously mentioned Web page): http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 07, 2009, 09:28:15 PM
Rasmussen Reports and pollster.com shows Obama's approval dipping to his lowest yet.  Unsurprisingly, this thread has been relatively quiet today.

Here is a handy-dandy chart:

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Obama is now less popular than Eisenhower, Kennedy, Nixon, Carter, Bush 41, and Bush 43 at this point in their Presidencies.

Go Obama go!

No statistical significance. One can say nothing, so one might as well remain quiet.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Saxwsylvania on March 07, 2009, 09:37:11 PM
Rasmussen Reports and pollster.com shows Obama's approval dipping to his lowest yet.  Unsurprisingly, this thread has been relatively quiet today.

Here is a handy-dandy chart:

()

Obama is now less popular than Eisenhower, Kennedy, Nixon, Carter, Bush 41, and Bush 43 at this point in their Presidencies.

Go Obama go!

No statistical significance. One can say nothing, so one might as well remain quiet.

What are you talking about, 'no statistical significance'?  It's inherently statistically significant because it's a statistic!

I could shut up about the whole thing.  But then, why have the thread at all?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 07, 2009, 11:25:12 PM
Rasmussen Reports and pollster.com shows Obama's approval dipping to his lowest yet. 

Obama is now less popular than Eisenhower, Kennedy, Nixon, Carter, Bush 41, and Bush 43 at this point in their Presidencies.


No statistical significance. One can say nothing, so one might as well remain quiet.

What are you talking about, 'no statistical significance'?  It's inherently statistically significant because it's a statistic!

I could shut up about the whole thing.  But then, why have the thread at all?

I look at the curve, look at the wild scatter of data points, I look at the regression line and I find the regression line over roughly 50 days more precise than the data suggest. In effect I see no cause to believe that Obama has been gaining or losing popularity (which I think is your point), although I see significant difference in popularity at a similar time between Obama and either Ronald Reagan or John F. Kennedy.

No, I don't have the tools for an analysis of regression at my disposal now because I don't have the raw data and I don't have the computer program available for it. But I have seen plenty of random scatters, and very few of them give an exactly flat line of regression.

There is no reason to believe that the support for Obama is anything other than flat. Over time there will be more data and there will be less randomness. There is plenty of time between now and November 2012 for events and deeds to shape the regression "line".


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on March 08, 2009, 04:44:18 AM
Zogby Approval

Approve 52%
Disapprove 46%

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1681

lulz


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 10, 2009, 01:57:14 PM
Connecticut (Quinnipiac University):

67% Approve
23% Disapprove
10% Undecided

From March 3 - 8, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,238 Connecticut registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.8 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1296.xml?ReleaseID=1272


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 10, 2009, 02:09:33 PM
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Counting 66% as "7" for New Jersey and now 67% as "7" for Connecticut.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 11, 2009, 02:55:48 PM
Ipsos/McClatchy:

65% Approve
29% Disapprove

Obama's approval rating, for example, is 89 percent among Democrats and 25 percent among Republicans. Among independents, his approval rating is 58 percent.

These are some of the findings of a McClatchy-Ipsos poll conducted last Thursday through Monday. For the survey, Ipsos interviewed a nationally representative, randomly selected sample of 1,070 people 18 and older across the United States. With a sample of this size, the results are considered accurate within 3.04 percentage points, 19 times out of 20, of what they would have been had the entire adult population in the U.S. been polled.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/politics/story/63774.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 11, 2009, 03:03:59 PM
Delaware (Public Policy Polling):

63% Approve
31% Disapprove

His reviews are pretty polarized along party lines with 89% of Democrats but only 25% of Republicans expressing support for the job he’s doing. Independents are pretty much divided, with 49% giving him good marks compared to 43% who are not.

PPP surveyed 782 Delaware voters between March 5th and 8th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-3.5%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_DE_311.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 11, 2009, 03:15:46 PM
New Jersey (Quinnipiac):

61% Approve (D: 94%, I: 57%, R: 22%)
28% Disapprove (D: 3%, I: 28%, R: 64%)

From March 4 - 9, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,386 New Jersey registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.6 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1274


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 11, 2009, 03:27:05 PM
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Counting 66% as "7" for New Jersey and now 67% as "7" for Connecticut.

Now add Delaware.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 11, 2009, 03:28:55 PM
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Counting 66% as "7" for New Jersey and now 67% as "7" for Connecticut.

Now add Delaware.



NJ = 6,

11% undecided won't split 9-2 for Obama to get 70


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 12, 2009, 01:53:50 PM
Rasmussen National Approval (March 9-11):

58% Approve
41% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

Rasmussen California Approval (March 9):

56% Approve (LOL !)
43% Disapprove (LOL !)

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/california/toplines_california_senate_election_2010_march_9_2009

Gallup National Approval (March 9-11):

63% Approve
27% Disapprove

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 13, 2009, 12:46:49 AM
Rasmussen New Jersey Approval (March 10):

59% Approve
41% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2009/new_jersey/toplines/toplines_new_jersey_governor_march_10_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Aizen on March 13, 2009, 12:53:54 AM
California is a right-wing state


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 13, 2009, 01:16:22 PM
California actuallybeing below the national average is as likely as Wyoming voting for Obama in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on March 13, 2009, 02:50:25 PM
Rasmussen New York

Approve 65%
Disapprove 34%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/new_york/toplines/toplines_ny_governor_march_11_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 13, 2009, 02:55:14 PM
Rasmussen New York

Approve 65%
Disapprove 34%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/new_york/toplines/toplines_ny_governor_march_11_2009

THAT looks about right (about 5% too low).

As if there's such a big difference between CA & NY ... :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tagimaucia on March 14, 2009, 06:26:45 PM
Fascinating crosstabs data over time from the Research 2000/Dailykos poll (which has a significant democratic lean but is very stable)

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Obama is getting killed among Republicans and in the South relative to where he was at inauguration time, but any movement in most other demographics just looks like statistical noise right now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on March 14, 2009, 06:31:50 PM
It's really stunning how far out of the mainstream the South has drifted.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 14, 2009, 07:57:59 PM
So in effect the cultural divide that existed on November 4, 2008 remains. It figures.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on March 16, 2009, 11:50:28 AM
Pew Poll Obama Approval

Approve 59%(-5%)
Disapprove 26%(+9%)

http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/498.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on March 16, 2009, 12:18:56 PM
CNN Obama Approval

Approve 64%(-3)
Disapprove 34%(+5)

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/16/obama.poll/index.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: jamestroll on March 16, 2009, 12:33:33 PM
The deluge is coming!!!!!!!!

lolz!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on March 16, 2009, 01:22:39 PM
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Wall St. Wiz on March 16, 2009, 04:44:09 PM
Well, I guess the White House is concerned enough about the trend that they are shifting into campaign mode.  Fund raising, appearances on Leno, stops in battleground states, etc.

Just like Clinton, this will be a never-ending campaign with the objective to keep the approval ratings as high as possible.  And the dumb ass Republicans are afraid to take him on directly, allowing him to run circles around him.  They deserve to lose then.  I'm at the point that I'll support the first Republican who has the stones to go after him.  That's why Sanford is looking good at the moment.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 16, 2009, 05:37:35 PM
Well, I guess the White House is concerned enough about the trend that they are shifting into campaign mode.  Fund raising, appearances on Leno, stops in battleground states, etc.

Just like Clinton, this will be a never-ending campaign with the objective to keep the approval ratings as high as possible.  And the dumb ass Republicans are afraid to take him on directly, allowing him to run circles around him.  They deserve to lose then.  I'm at the point that I'll support the first Republican who has the stones to go after him.  That's why Sanford is looking good at the moment.

In fact the GOP largely took Obama on directly, voting against his stimulus and threatening to filibuster against it. That is standing up to Obama, even if it should prove folly a few months hence.

Dubya didn't do that? Sure. he knew enough to stay clear of places that would never vote for him. That demonstrates an awareness of his weaknesses as a campaigner.

We shall see soon enough whether standing up to Obama is political suicide or wisdom -- fewer than twenty months from now. I will be right or you will be wrong. Don't be surprised if there should be a defection or two from the GOP.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Beet on March 16, 2009, 09:46:55 PM
Obama's approvals will inevitably fall below 50%. The only question is whether it comes in June, July, August, September, etc.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on March 16, 2009, 10:16:16 PM
Obama's Approval Equal To or Better Than Bush's, Clinton's [Gallup, March 16, 2009]

Biggest change since inauguration has been decline among Republicans

http://www.gallup.com/poll/116845/Obama-Approval-Equal-Better-Bush-Clinton.aspx

Mid-March Ratings

Obama (2009): 61% Approve; 28% Disapprove
Bush (2005): 58% Approve; 29% Disapprove
Clinton (1993): 53% Approve; 34% Disapprove

Obama Job Approval, By Party I/D

Republicans: 26% Approve; 63% Disapprove

Independents: 59% Approve; 26% Disapprove

Democrats: 91% Approve; 4% Disapprove

Gallup Poll Daily Tracking, March 9-15, 2009

 In sum, since his inauguration, Obama's approvals remain stratospheric among Democrats; steady among Independents but they show a marked decline among Republicans

Dave


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 17, 2009, 09:27:44 AM
Texas (University of Texas, Feb. 24 - March 6, 2009):

45% Approve
42% Disapprove
13% Undecided

http://www.laits.utexas.edu/txp_media/html/poll/files/200903-summary.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 17, 2009, 09:42:35 AM
CBS News Poll:

62% Approve
24% Disapprove
14% Undecided

This poll was conducted among a random sample of 1,142 adults nationwide, interviewed by telephone March 12-16, 2009. Phone numbers were dialed from RDD samples of both standard land-lines and cell phones.

The error due to sampling for results based on the entire sample could be plus or minus three percentage points. The error for subgroups is higher. This poll release conforms to the Standards of Disclosure of the National Council on Public Polls.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_031709_7am.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on March 17, 2009, 09:55:24 AM
NPR Obama Approval

Approve 59%
Disapprove 35%

http://media.npr.org/documents/2009/mar/nprpoll/nprpoll_interview.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on March 17, 2009, 12:57:59 PM
Obama's approvals will inevitably fall below 50%. The only question is whether it comes in June, July, August, September, etc.

The more relevant question is when he gets out of it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on March 17, 2009, 06:32:27 PM
Rasmussen himself gives an excellent explanation in comparing his approval poll vs. others.  I basically agree with every point made.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_scott_rasmussen/comparing_approval_ratings_from_different_polling_firms


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 18, 2009, 03:14:26 PM
Rasmussen (March 15-17):

57% Approve
42% Disapprove

Gallup (March 15-17):

61% Approve
28% Disapprove

Public Policy Polling (March 13-15):

55% Approve
37% Disapprove

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_318.pdf

Ohio Quinnipiac (March 10-15):

57% Approve
33% Disapprove

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1322.xml?ReleaseID=1277


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on March 18, 2009, 06:49:17 PM
Texas (University of Texas, Feb. 24 - March 6, 2009):

45% Approve
42% Disapprove
13% Undecided

http://www.laits.utexas.edu/txp_media/html/poll/files/200903-summary.pdf

That seems hard to believe.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 19, 2009, 12:32:15 PM
Texas (University of Texas, Feb. 24 - March 6, 2009):

45% Approve
42% Disapprove
13% Undecided

http://www.laits.utexas.edu/txp_media/html/poll/files/200903-summary.pdf

That seems hard to believe.

University polls are never the best.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on March 19, 2009, 08:33:01 PM
Arizona - Rasmussen

Approve 53%
Disapprove 47%

The numbers are in the premium crosstabs.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 20, 2009, 03:26:49 AM
One more state to add:




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 20, 2009, 01:58:21 PM
Rasmussen (March 17-19):

55% Approve ("That’s his lowest overall rating to date.")
43% Disapprove

Gallup (March 17-19):

62% Approve
27% Disapprove

ARG (March 16-19):

56% Approve
37% Disapprove

North Carolina - PPP - (March 17-19):

53% Approve
40% Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 20, 2009, 02:02:40 PM
North Carolina - Elon University - (March 15-19):

61% Approve
29% Disapprove

http://www.wral.com/news/local/politics/story/4780410/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BM on March 20, 2009, 03:09:52 PM
any polls that don't have him in the mid 60s are obviously bogus


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 20, 2009, 03:15:53 PM
any polls that don't have him in the mid 60s are obviously bogus

I wonder how McCain would do now ...

Mid-40s ?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 20, 2009, 04:41:26 PM
any polls that don't have him in the mid 60s are obviously bogus

I wonder how McCain would do now ...

Mid-40s ?

I'd guess around 50%. Lower than Obama anyway. And Palin would've made a good few blunders by now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on March 20, 2009, 06:16:11 PM
any polls that don't have him in the mid 60s are obviously bogus

I wonder how McCain would do now ...

Mid-40s ?

It'd be split about 50-50.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 21, 2009, 01:53:14 PM
The gap between Rasmussen and Gallup widened today:

Rasmussen:

55% Approve (nc)
44% Disapprove (+1)

Gallup:

64% Approve (+2)
26% Disapprove (-1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on March 21, 2009, 02:19:49 PM
The gap between Rasmussen and Gallup widened today:

Rasmussen:

55% Approve (nc)
44% Disapprove (+1)

Gallup:

64% Approve (+2)
26% Disapprove (-1)

I'd guess Obama is probaby at about 60% right now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on March 21, 2009, 02:46:44 PM
Probably because Rasmussen uses a LV screen while Gallup uses adults.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 21, 2009, 02:54:22 PM
A LV screen is ridiculous 3 and a half years before an election.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Verily on March 21, 2009, 03:11:32 PM
I don't think Rasmussen is using an LV screen. If they are, it's monumentally stupid in an off-year. LV screens are useless more than three months before an election.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 21, 2009, 03:21:55 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_scott_rasmussen/comparing_approval_ratings_from_different_polling_firms

Quote
Some firms poll all adults while others, including Rasmussen Reports, base their results on likely voters. Generally speaking, polls of all adults will show a somewhat higher rating for President Obama than polls of likely voters.

Why is this? Primarily because some demographic groups such as young adults are less likely to vote than others. These same groups also happen to be segments of the population where the current president gets rave reviews. So if a poll of all adults shows the president’s approval rating at 60%, you’d expect a comparable poll of likely voters to show a rating of roughly 57%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on March 21, 2009, 04:06:33 PM
But a registered voter poll is a million times better than an adult poll which is useless.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on March 21, 2009, 05:37:36 PM
But a registered voter poll is a million times better than an adult poll which is useless.

The problem is that many of them won't be around to vote in 2012, while younger people who will be able to vote by then aren't polled.
So to use registered, or even worse likely, voters screen NOW is completely useless.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on March 21, 2009, 06:18:34 PM
But a registered voter poll is a million times better than an adult poll which is useless.

The problem is that many of them won't be around to vote in 2012, while younger people who will be able to vote by then aren't polled.
So to use registered, or even worse likely, voters screen NOW is completely useless.

Wait, so you are saying people like Gallup are polling kids? LOL. They are polls ofadults. That means everyone is at least 18, which means that registered voters are a better gauge of a poll of a people that actually matter. If you don't vote, you don't matter.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on March 21, 2009, 06:35:39 PM
But a registered voter poll is a million times better than an adult poll which is useless.

The problem is that many of them won't be around to vote in 2012, while younger people who will be able to vote by then aren't polled.
So to use registered, or even worse likely, voters screen NOW is completely useless.

Wait, so you are saying people like Gallup are polling kids? LOL. They are polls ofadults. That means everyone is at least 18, which means that registered voters are a better gauge of a poll of a people that actually matter. If you don't vote, you don't matter.

No, you got it completely backwards.
I am saying that there are adults who just became (or will soon become) eligible to vote, but they haven't registered yet (something normal, we are years away from the next election).
So, these people aren't polled, even though in 2010 and 2012 they will vote, thus their opinion matters.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 22, 2009, 01:46:01 AM
Rasmussen's LV screen caused it to get the election wrong in some states, typically by undercounting the likely Democratic vote. The 18-22 vote in 2008 was strongly Democratic, and it was unusually high for youth vote. If one was under 22 on November 4, 2008, then Rasmussen's LV screen (that is, those people who had voted in a the last Presidential election) ignored one. It even rejected people actively campaigning for their respective parties, and if any people vote, it is they, so long as they are of voting age.

It's a reasonable screen in most elections, but not this time.   It is made to prevent bias and reject the spin of the Democrats... but this time it is an over-response to such a concern, and that can at times be as hazardous as outright bias.

Should voters born between 1991 and 1994 act much like those born between 1987 and 1990 in the next election, then the GOP stands to be in deep trouble. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 23, 2009, 01:49:36 AM
Up once again:

Rasmussen:

56% Approve (+1)
43% Disapprove (-1)

Gallup:

65% Approve (+1)
26% Disapprove (nc)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on March 23, 2009, 02:27:43 AM
People who don't approve of our President make baby Jesus cry. :(


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 23, 2009, 02:08:17 PM
Tennessee - Rasmussen - March 16 - 500 Likely Voters:

51% Approve
46% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/tennessee/toplines_tennessee_likely_voters_march_16_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 23, 2009, 02:14:02 PM
So TN is only 4% more anti-Obama than the nation as a whole?

Okay Rasmussen... ::)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 23, 2009, 02:14:10 PM
So, given these results, isn't Obama's national approval really closer to 62% ?

Tennessee was about 11% less Democratic than the nation.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 23, 2009, 02:18:42 PM
So TN is only 4% more anti-Obama than the nation as a whole?

Okay Rasmussen... ::)

All of Rasmussen approval polls have seemed... odd compared to polls from other firms.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 23, 2009, 02:19:09 PM
New York - Siena College - March 16-18 - 626 Registered Voters:

70% Favorable
23% Unfavorable

http://www.siena.edu/uploadedFiles/Home/Parents_and_Community/Community_Page/SRI/SNY_Poll/09%20March%20SNY%20Poll%20Release%20--%20FINAL.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 23, 2009, 02:33:01 PM
Harris Poll, March 9-16, 2.355 adults interviewed online:

55% Excellent/Good
45% Fair/Poor

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/pubs/Harris_Poll_2009_03_23.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on March 23, 2009, 02:42:34 PM
Another graph, this time of Obama's second month (February 20 to March 19 inclusively), again acccording to Rasmussen Reports.

()

Again this is net approval (total approve minus total disapprove), and the information was collected from http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 23, 2009, 06:21:27 PM
One more state to add:


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Arizona, a genuine swing state.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 24, 2009, 01:02:33 AM
CBS News, March 20-22, 949 adults:

64% Approve (+2)
20% Disapprove (-4)

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/Mar09b-AIG.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 24, 2009, 01:06:19 AM
"The honeymoon is over, a national poll will signal today as President Obama’s job approval stumbles to about 50 percent over the lack of improvement with the crippled economy.

Pollster John Zogby said his poll out today will show Americans split on the president’s performance. He said the score factors out to “about 50-50.”

Some polls show Obama coasting with a 65 percent job approval, but not in Zogby’s tally.

“The numbers are going down,” Zogby told the Herald. “It’s not because of the gaffes, but a combination of high expectations and that things aren’t moving fast enough with the economy.”

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view.bg?articleid=1160639


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on March 24, 2009, 01:28:59 AM
Zogby is such a troll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on March 24, 2009, 01:40:05 AM
"The honeymoon is over, a national poll will signal today as President Obama’s job approval stumbles to about 50 percent over the lack of improvement with the crippled economy.

Pollster John Zogby said his poll out today will show Americans split on the president’s performance. He said the score factors out to “about 50-50.”

Some polls show Obama coasting with a 65 percent job approval, but not in Zogby’s tally.

“The numbers are going down,” Zogby told the Herald. “It’s not because of the gaffes, but a combination of high expectations and that things aren’t moving fast enough with the economy.”

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view.bg?articleid=1160639

That's good news for John McCain.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on March 24, 2009, 04:12:50 AM
And don't forget the Bradley Effect, of course.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on March 24, 2009, 06:34:26 AM
"The honeymoon is over, a national poll will signal today as President Obama’s job approval stumbles to about 50 percent over the lack of improvement with the crippled economy.

Pollster John Zogby said his poll out today will show Americans split on the president’s performance. He said the score factors out to “about 50-50.”

Some polls show Obama coasting with a 65 percent job approval, but not in Zogby’s tally.

“The numbers are going down,” Zogby told the Herald. “It’s not because of the gaffes, but a combination of high expectations and that things aren’t moving fast enough with the economy.”

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view.bg?articleid=1160639

Uh-oh. Drudge better get his sirens out!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 24, 2009, 10:51:20 AM
() ZOGBY: OBAMA MOST UNPOPULAR PRESIDENT SINCE GEORGE W. BUSH ()


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 24, 2009, 11:27:40 AM
...I shudder to think what Drudge's headline's gonna be.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on March 24, 2009, 12:02:56 PM
PPP Arkansas

Approve 47%
Disapprove 45%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_AR_3241.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 24, 2009, 02:21:56 PM
North Carolina (Civitas Poll):

64% Favorable
24% Unfavorable

http://www.nccivitas.org/media/press-releases/civitas-poll-obama-perdue-enjoy-early-favorable-rating


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 24, 2009, 02:25:49 PM
() ZOGBY: OBAMA MOST UNPOPULAR PRESIDENT SINCE GEORGE W. BUSH ()

The actual numbers are:

49% Excellent/Good
50% Fair/Poor

LOL !

Zogby International conducted an online survey of 4523 voters.

A sampling of Zogby International's online panel, which is representative of the adult population of the US, was invited to participate. Slight weights were added region, party, age, race, religion, gender, education to more accurately reflect the population. The margin of error is +/- 1.5 percentage points. Margins of error are higher in sub-groups.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1686


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 24, 2009, 02:51:03 PM
() ZOGBY: OBAMA MOST UNPOPULAR PRESIDENT SINCE GEORGE W. BUSH ()

The actual numbers are:

49% Excellent/Good
50% Fair/Poor

LOL !

Zogby International conducted an online survey of 4523 voters.

A sampling of Zogby International's online panel, which is representative of the adult population of the US, was invited to participate. Slight weights were added region, party, age, race, religion, gender, education to more accurately reflect the population. The margin of error is +/- 1.5 percentage points. Margins of error are higher in sub-groups.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1686

Surely even the most far-right Republican could see that those numbers are botched.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on March 24, 2009, 03:49:19 PM
() ZOGBY: OBAMA MOST UNPOPULAR PRESIDENT SINCE GEORGE W. BUSH ()

The actual numbers are:

49% Excellent/Good
50% Fair/Poor

LOL !

Zogby International conducted an online survey of 4523 voters.

A sampling of Zogby International's online panel, which is representative of the adult population of the US, was invited to participate. Slight weights were added region, party, age, race, religion, gender, education to more accurately reflect the population. The margin of error is +/- 1.5 percentage points. Margins of error are higher in sub-groups.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1686

Epic fail.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on March 24, 2009, 09:44:05 PM
() ZOGBY: OBAMA MOST UNPOPULAR PRESIDENT SINCE GEORGE W. BUSH ()

The actual numbers are:

49% Excellent/Good
50% Fair/Poor

LOL !

Zogby International conducted an online survey of 4523 voters.

A sampling of Zogby International's online panel, which is representative of the adult population of the US, was invited to participate. Slight weights were added region, party, age, race, religion, gender, education to more accurately reflect the population. The margin of error is +/- 1.5 percentage points. Margins of error are higher in sub-groups.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1686

Surely even the most far-right Republican could see that those numbers are botched.

I don't know about that, but it is pretty obvious.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 25, 2009, 12:35:11 AM
One more state to add:


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Arkansas, roughly an even split, but a state in which Obama was crushed in 2008.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 25, 2009, 12:42:29 AM
Michigan (EPIC-MRA for Detroit News-WXYZ-TV):

54% Excellent/Good
39% Fair/Poor

67% Favorable
26% Unfavorable

Michiganians also say they support Obama's policies and goals, by a margin of 64 percent to 32 percent.

Jennifer Granholm:

36% Excellent/Good
63% Fair/Poor

46% Favorable
52% Unfavorable

The poll of 600 likely Michigan voters was conducted from March 19-22. It has a margin of error of 4 percentage points.

http://www.detnews.com/article/20090325/POLITICS/903250385/1408/LOCAL/Obama+gets+good+job+review+in+Michigan+poll


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 25, 2009, 12:49:08 AM
Pennsylvania (Franklin & Marshall College):

59% Favorable
21% Unfavorable

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/news/cityregion/s_617671.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on March 25, 2009, 12:51:22 AM
One more state to add:


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Arkansas, roughly an even split, but a state in which Obama was crushed in 2008.


I'd really like to see Indiana, South Carolina and Vermont done.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 25, 2009, 01:01:41 AM
Utah (Dan Jones for Deseret News):

51% Approve
43% Disapprove

()

"Even so, only 60 percent of Salt Lake County residents approve of the job Obama is doing, Jones found in a survey conducted last week of 400 adults statewide. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 5 percent."

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705292894,00.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 25, 2009, 01:09:25 AM
One more state to add:


(
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Arkansas, roughly an even split, but a state in which Obama was crushed in 2008.


BTW: Why is Alabama coloured in yellow ?

SUSA had it 48-45 last time ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 25, 2009, 01:23:40 AM
One more state to add:


(
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Arkansas, roughly an even split, but a state in which Obama was crushed in 2008.


BTW: Why is Alabama coloured in yellow ?

SUSA had it 48-45 last time ...

The last that I saw, Alabama had a net negative rating for Obama. That deserves a different color.

...

I'd love to see analogous polls  Indiana, Montana, the Dakotas, and South Carolina: those states were close enough that some think that they will be in play in 2012.  Colorado is still out?

We will probably get Maine, Vermont, Maryland, Mississippi, Idaho, and Oklahoma instead.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 25, 2009, 01:37:26 AM
One more state to add:


(
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Arkansas, roughly an even split, but a state in which Obama was crushed in 2008.


BTW: Why is Alabama coloured in yellow ?

SUSA had it 48-45 last time ...

The last that I saw, Alabama had a net negative rating for Obama. That deserves a different color.

...

I'd love to see analogous polls  Indiana, Montana, the Dakotas, and South Carolina: those states were close enough that some think that they will be in play in 2012.  Colorado is still out?

We will probably get Maine, Vermont, Maryland, Mississippi, Idaho, and Oklahoma instead.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=f385051a-03b2-4947-a115-65d3f82f71fc

Anyway, new March polls by SUSA will be out in the coming days, and I believe AL will move into negative territory ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Republic on March 25, 2009, 11:35:31 AM
The last that I saw, Alabama had a net negative rating for Obama. That deserves a different color.

The forum standard for maps of this kind is green for positive and red for negative.  :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 25, 2009, 11:46:39 AM
But Red is associated with Democrats (and now Obama) in this Forum.... and yellow gives an adequate contrast and is available. I can't hold anyone to my choice, but I had good reason for picking yellow. Nobody seemed to complain about the color until now.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Republic on March 25, 2009, 12:01:54 PM
People can differentiate red for Obama from red for disapproval, just like we did with the various maps of gubernatorial and senatorial approval maps that were made in the past.

I didn't mention this sooner because (a) I hadn't seen it; and (b) I thought Alabama was giving a tied rating.  Now I know differently, I just wanted to point it out to you so other people won't make a similar mistake. :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 25, 2009, 01:17:35 PM
Pennsylvania (http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1327.xml?ReleaseID=1280)
The Quinnipiac University Poll
3/19-3/23/2009; 1,056 registered voters, +/- 3% margin of error
Mode: Live Telephone Interviews
Barack Obama Job Rating
All voters: 61% approve, 30% disapprove
(Feb 2009: 63% approve, 22% disapprove)



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 25, 2009, 09:50:40 PM


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Survey USA gives Obama a small net positive rating in Alabama. Thus the color change!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on March 25, 2009, 10:23:41 PM
Did anyone watch O' Reilly in Late October? I remember one of Zogby's polls was being publicized because it said more Americans like McCain better on the economy then Obama. Then, they had Dick Morris on, and he infamously said: "The tide is turning. This is just the tip of the iceberg." LOL. Hilarious. Zogby is SO horrible.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 26, 2009, 12:01:29 AM
Did anyone watch O' Reilly in Late October? I remember one of Zogby's polls was being publicized because it said more Americans like McCain better on the economy then Obama. Then, they had Dick Morris on, and he infamously said: "The tide is turning. This is just the tip of the iceberg." LOL. Hilarious. Zogby is SO horrible.

The Propaganda Channel (FoX "News") isn't a reliable source. It spins everything as its ownership wants news to be spun -- and we all know what that means. If it doesn't get the news that it likes it creates the news. It deliberately conflates its analysis with objective reporting, and its selection of talking heads is one of choosing the appropriate lapdogs (for Dubya) and attack dogs (for Clinton and Obama). When a guest fails to take the Party Line FoX "News" turns on the guest, calling the fellow a nut, a member of the Far Left, or un-American.

Does anyone remember the Valerie Plame scandal? As other media were examining it, FoX "News" diverted people with the wall-to-wall coverage of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba. I'm not going to trivialize the disappearance (and likely death) of a pretty girl from the right side of the tracks (or an ugly one from the wrong side), but I knew that as soon as FoX "News" started a story in Aruba there was news to be had elsewhere.

Add to this, a survey of Americans on news sources and their correlation to being right on the Iraq war asked people to agree or disagree with three statements involving the war:

1. Saddam Hussein had connections to such international terror groups as al-Qaeda.

2. Saddam Hussein possessed or tried to procure or develop weapons of mass destruction despite sanctions imposed by the United Nations.

3. The rest of the world generally concurs with the American invasion of Iraq.

All three statements are demonstrably false.

Then they were asked what news sources they replied on.  It is hardly surprising that those who depended upon newspapers (printed or electronic) were most likely to get all three answers right.  Radio sources were next-best, NPR listeners getting the best marks. Regular viewers of CNN and MSNBC were slightly poorer, but generally well-informed. Viewers of PBS' News Hour with Jim Lehrer did about as well as NPR radio listeners... but that's no-fluff news and it does not make compromises for attention spans. 

Those who relied upon the news of the nightly news  three main networks (CBS, ABC, and NBC) were highly likely to get it wrong. It's just not possible to get all of one's news from 30 minutes of televised news that fits a commercial format.

Now here's the tragedy -- regular viewers of FoX News Channel got it most regularly -- WRONG! Its viewers watch much of what looks like news...  but somehow isn't.

Oddly, those who relied on Comedy Central's Daily Show got it right about as well as NPR listeners. That's a comedy program!

(Whatever virtues regular viewers of FoX "News", being well-informed isn't one of them).

It uses the US flag extensively as if acceptance of its disinformation at face value were an act of patriotism.

That entity is more adept at propaganda than Pravda ever was.

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 26, 2009, 01:18:51 AM
SurveyUSA March 2009 Release (all conducted March 20-22 among 600 adults):

Alabama:

47% Approve (-1)
47% Disapprove (+2)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=1042b5f1-c12e-43e1-8dad-cd1c644903e3

California:

67% Approve (+4)
28% Disapprove (-5)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=c6eaaf21-aa2b-4f1b-83ac-50563d5bc60c

Iowa:

57% Approve (-6)
40% Disapprove (+8)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=e79ed495-b7ab-414e-b851-17be9c2b39d7

Kansas:

55% Approve (+1)
40% Disapprove (+3)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=14750682-5826-481c-a4e4-f6ed11910ca8

Kentucky:

56% Approve (-1)
38% Disapprove (+1)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=06788390-97c9-4604-adb0-d121c387690e

Massachusetts:

68% Approve (+2)
26% Disapprove (-3)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=dd2c51d3-a7f3-4d98-afaf-293d9b4ca26a

Minnesota:

61% Approve (-1)
32% Disapprove (nc)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=daff7ebe-0483-464b-b259-4f3989dddc6b

Missouri:

57% Approve (+6)
39% Disapprove (-4)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=77dfc060-a0ce-4bcb-b16c-33ca3cea4cf9

New Mexico:

61% Approve (+2)
35% Disapprove (+1)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=abafb949-e911-48ac-acac-6d99b6f87523

New York:

72% Approve (+2)
23% Disapprove (-2)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=564b22a9-49c5-46bd-894d-bcc297f27923

Oregon:

62% Approve (+1)
31% Disapprove (-1)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=146a9814-db58-4923-ae31-dd251a944a3a

Virginia:

55% Approve (+1)
35% Disapprove (-7)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=052effc4-d100-4392-a920-43b1f646d876

Washington:

62% Approve (-2)
34% Disapprove (+2)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=a7421118-21b0-44b1-adf4-831673fb3a1d

Wisconsin:

53% Approve (-7)
42% Disapprove (+5)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=0b21a806-01a4-45e8-8d6c-ab64982d89f7


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 26, 2009, 01:32:14 AM
Hillary Clinton (Secretary of State) - CNN/Opinion Research, March 12-15:

71% Approve
23% Disapprove

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/03/clinton_has_rob.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 26, 2009, 01:38:00 AM
Pennsylvania (Franklin & Marshall College):

59% Favorable
21% Unfavorable

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/news/cityregion/s_617671.html

PS:

How would you rate the way that Barack Obama is handling his job as president?

60% Excellent/Good (+5)
36% Fair/Poor (nc)

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/download/2009/0325/19009605.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 26, 2009, 01:43:14 AM
California - Public Policy Institute of CA:

Adults:

71% Approve
20% Disapprove

Registered Voters:

67% Approve
23% Disapprove

Likely Voters:

63% Approve
28% Disapprove

PPIC Statewide Survey: Californians and Their Government, March 2009. Includes 2,004 adults, 1,525 registered voters, and 987 likely voters. Interviews took place March 10–17, 2009. Numbers in above table are for all adults. Margin of error ±2%.

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/other/APR_Obama0309.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 26, 2009, 01:46:04 AM
Texas (Texas Tech):

44% Approve
39% Disapprove

http://lubbockonline.com/stories/032609/loc_414533490.shtml


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on March 26, 2009, 08:14:40 AM
I live in Obamaworld. lolz.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 26, 2009, 10:36:00 AM
DC APPROVAL POLL PLZ.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on March 26, 2009, 10:55:27 AM
So he goes up in some states in SUSA but down in other states, and I really can't see any connection between the states either. Random.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 26, 2009, 11:11:18 AM
Hillary Clinton (Secretary of State) - CNN/Opinion Research, March 12-15:

71% Approve
23% Disapprove

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/03/clinton_has_rob.html

I would've thought Hillary's approval would be closer to Obama's than that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 26, 2009, 11:12:43 AM
Quote
Iowa:

57% Approve (-6)
40% Disapprove (+8)

Huh? Why has Iowa dropped so much?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on March 26, 2009, 11:53:17 AM
Quote
Iowa:

57% Approve (-6)
40% Disapprove (+8)

Huh? Why has Iowa dropped so much?

Like I said, some of these are just really random, like Missouri went way up. You'd think it would be the opposite since you know, he lost the state. I have no idea why Iowa is dropping that much in a state he won by 10 points.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 26, 2009, 01:39:14 PM
Connecticut (Research 2000):

69% Favorable
22% Unfavorable

The Research 2000 Connecticut Poll was conducted from March 23 through March 25, 2009. A total of 600 likely voters who vote regularly in state elections were interviewed statewide by telephone.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/3/25/CT/275


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on March 26, 2009, 01:52:43 PM
Quote
Iowa:

57% Approve (-6)
40% Disapprove (+8)

Huh? Why has Iowa dropped so much?

Like I said, some of these are just really random, like Missouri went way up. You'd think it would be the opposite since you know, he lost the state. I have no idea why Iowa is dropping that much in a state he won by 10 points.

SUSA really isn't a good enough pollster to put so much stock in movements like those.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 27, 2009, 01:31:52 AM
Quote
Iowa:

57% Approve (-6)
40% Disapprove (+8)

Huh? Why has Iowa dropped so much?

Like I said, some of these are just really random, like Missouri went way up. You'd think it would be the opposite since you know, he lost the state. I have no idea why Iowa is dropping that much in a state he won by 10 points.

SUSA really isn't a good enough pollster to put so much stock in movements like those.

Iowa and Wisconsin are really odd, also Kentucky on the other hand.

Wisconsin went from 70% to 53% in 2 months ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 27, 2009, 09:03:41 AM
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Wisconsin and Iowa would seem very similar. Until they see real campaigning they don't seem very partisan. People there start making up their minds when the campaigning gets serious; until then they want leaders to govern. It's just as well.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 29, 2009, 08:18:17 AM
Slight uptick for Obama on Rasmussen today:

58% Approve (+2)
41% Disapprove (-2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on March 29, 2009, 09:31:01 AM
Rasmussen bump seems to be only coming from Republicans(up to 29%) so I assume it is just a bad sample, as Obama is still under 50% with Indies.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BM on March 29, 2009, 01:05:20 PM
Gallup's at 60/31 today, probably the closest it's ever been to Rasmussen.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 30, 2009, 08:02:29 AM
South Carolina (Crantford & Associates, March 17, 1.382 voters, MoE=2.6%):

Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Barack Obama?

Favorable: 49%
Unfavorable: 44%
Not Sure: 7%

Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Mark Sanford?

Favorable: 40%
Unfavorable: 53%
Not Sure: 7%

Do you agree or disagree with Governor Sanford's efforts to try and stop President Obama's economic stimulus package from being spent in South Carolina?

Agree: 37%
Disagree: 53%
Not Sure: 10%

http://www.thestate.com/politics/story/721273.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 30, 2009, 08:33:47 AM
Rasmussen bump seems to be only coming from Republicans(up to 29%) so I assume it is just a bad sample, as Obama is still under 50% with Indies.

58-40 (nc, -1) today


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Holmes on March 30, 2009, 08:34:48 AM
South Carolina (Crantford & Associates, March 17, 1.382 voters, MoE=2.6%)

Iiiinteresting numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 30, 2009, 08:42:30 AM
South Carolina (Crantford & Associates, March 17, 1.382 voters, MoE=2.6%)

Iiiinteresting numbers.

Yeah, but unfortunately done for the SC Democratic Senate Caucus ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 30, 2009, 01:53:42 PM
New USAToday/Gallup poll (March 27-29):

64% Approve
30% Disapprove

Gallup Daily Tracking (also March 27-29):

60% Approve (nc)
30% Disapprove (-1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 30, 2009, 02:41:27 PM
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Now add South Carolina, where Obama has more approval than does the Governor, someone supposedly having a chance to be a Presidential or VP nominee.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 30, 2009, 11:59:01 PM
New Washington Post/ABC News poll:

Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling his job as president ?

66% Approve
29% Disapprove

Changing topics, do you have a favorable or unfavorable impression of Michelle Obama ?

76% Favorable
16% Unfavorable

This Washington Post-ABC News poll was conducted by telephone Mar. 26-29, 2009, among a random national sample of 1,000 adults including landline and cell phone-only respondents. The results from the full survey have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points. Sampling, data collection and tabulation by TNS of Horsham, PA.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_033109.html?hpid=topnews


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tagimaucia on March 31, 2009, 07:45:30 AM
from the same poll:

3. Do you think things in this country (are generally going in the right direction) or do you feel things (have gotten pretty seriously off on the wrong track)?

                Right     Wrong     No
              direction   track   opinion 
3/29/09          42        57        1
2/22/09          31        67        2
1/16/09          19        78        3
12/14/08         15        82        3
10/25/08 LV      13        85        2
10/11/08 RV       8        90        2


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 31, 2009, 08:33:19 AM
Obama taking the "steering wheel" and axing capitalist failures is probably not a bad thing for his polling numbers.

Rasmussen today:

59% Approve (+1)
39% Disapprove (-1)

First time below 40% since March 4 ...

38% Strongly Approve (nc)
27% Strongly Disapprove (-3)

"That’s the first time his Approval Index rating has reached double digits since the first week in March."

()


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on March 31, 2009, 10:09:15 AM
Obama taking the "steering wheel" and axing capitalist failures is probably not a bad thing for his polling numbers.

Rasmussen today:

59% Approve (+1)
39% Disapprove (-1)

First time below 40% since March 4 ...

38% Strongly Approve (nc)
27% Strongly Disapprove (-3)

"That’s the first time his Approval Index rating has reached double digits since the first week in March."

()

It's because he is now at 32% among Republicans after being in the low 20's for the past month. Hard to tell if this is lasting change or just an outlier.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on March 31, 2009, 12:14:57 PM
Gallup Down:

Approve 59(-1)
Disapprove 30(nc)

Seems to me that Rasmussen must have a clear outlier if these two have the same approval as Gallup has been traditionally a few points higher than Rasmussen.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 31, 2009, 01:34:49 PM
Gallup Down:

Approve 59(-1)
Disapprove 30(nc)

Seems to me that Rasmussen must have a clear outlier if these two have the same approval as Gallup has been traditionally a few points higher than Rasmussen.

First Gallup under 60? :/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 31, 2009, 01:50:17 PM

No, it happened once before, in Mid-February I think ...

......................................................................................

Diageo Hotline (March 26-29, 800 Registered Voters):

63% Approve
31% Disapprove

http://www.diageohotlinepoll.com/documents/diageohotlinepoll/FDDiageoHotlinePoll_release033109.pdf

Democracy Corps (March 25-29, 1000 Likely Voters):

58% Approve
34% Disapprove

http://www.democracycorps.com/download.php?attachment=dc10032909fq4.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 02, 2009, 12:01:02 AM
Now add South Carolina, where Obama has more approval than does the Governor, someone supposedly having a chance to be a Presidential or VP nominee.

SurveyUSA now supports the Crantford & Associates poll:

Do you approve or disapprove of the job Mark Sanford is doing as Governor?

41% Approve
55% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=fa7fe67e-60d1-4167-999c-fc2f6dbda8cd

Not so hot numbers for the "great Republican rising star in 2012" ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 02, 2009, 01:02:39 AM
Now add South Carolina, where Obama has more approval than does the Governor, someone supposedly having a chance to be a Presidential or VP nominee.

SurveyUSA now supports the Crantford & Associates poll:

Do you approve or disapprove of the job Mark Sanford is doing as Governor?

41% Approve
55% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=fa7fe67e-60d1-4167-999c-fc2f6dbda8cd

Not so hot numbers for the "great Republican rising star in 2012" ...

The first stage of ruin is DENIAL.

... I don't have a drinking problem; I can quit drinking at any time.

... Cancer? Not me!

... This pitcher with a high ERA or batter now hitting .240 is on the brink of pulling out of a slump.

... I can still make the minimum payment.

... I don't need no book-learnin'. I'll show that teacher yet!

... The President will yet make a fool of himself.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on April 02, 2009, 02:05:40 AM
Now add South Carolina, where Obama has more approval than does the Governor, someone supposedly having a chance to be a Presidential or VP nominee.

SurveyUSA now supports the Crantford & Associates poll:

Do you approve or disapprove of the job Mark Sanford is doing as Governor?

41% Approve
55% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=fa7fe67e-60d1-4167-999c-fc2f6dbda8cd

Not so hot numbers for the "great Republican rising star in 2012" ...

Wow! The citizens of South Carolina who suffer through a recession actually prefer help from the federal goverment, rather than political grandstanding from their governor.

Knock me down with a feather. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Holmes on April 02, 2009, 09:08:34 AM
So who's willing to bet the Democrats won't run anyone serious and the next governor of South Carolina will be Sanford 2.0?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on April 02, 2009, 10:01:27 AM
Obama taking the "steering wheel" and axing capitalist failures is probably not a bad thing for his polling numbers.

Rasmussen today:

59% Approve (+1)
39% Disapprove (-1)

First time below 40% since March 4 ...

38% Strongly Approve (nc)
27% Strongly Disapprove (-3)

"That’s the first time his Approval Index rating has reached double digits since the first week in March."

()

It's because he is now at 32% among Republicans after being in the low 20's for the past month. Hard to tell if this is lasting change or just an outlier.

Seemingly, an outlier given the shift from March 31 to April 2:

Approve 56% (-3); Disapprove 44% (+5) [Strongly approve 35% (-3); Strongly Disapprove 30% (+3)

Dave


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on April 02, 2009, 11:02:20 AM
Remember too, that Rasmussen's new April partisan targets will undoubtedly shift the numbers a bit, and I believe today's sample was the first sample with the new targets (even though it could have been yesterday):

Dems 38.7% (40.8%)
Reps 33.2% (33.6%)
Indys 28.1% (25.6%)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 02, 2009, 11:16:03 AM
Remember too, that Rasmussen's new April partisan targets will undoubtedly shift the numbers a bit, and I believe today's sample was the first sample with the new targets (even though it could have been yesterday):

Dems 38.7% (40.8%)
Reps 33.2% (33.6%)
Indys 28.1% (25.6%)

"Our baseline targets are established based upon separate survey interviews with a sample of adults nationwide completed during the preceding three months (a total of 45,000 interviews) and targets are updated monthly. Currently, the baseline targets for the adult population are 40.1% Democrats, 33.1% Republicans, and 26.7% unaffiliated."

He uses the average of the previous three months, not just the preceding month.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on April 02, 2009, 11:18:41 AM
Remember too, that Rasmussen's new April partisan targets will undoubtedly shift the numbers a bit, and I believe today's sample was the first sample with the new targets (even though it could have been yesterday):

Dems 38.7% (40.8%)
Reps 33.2% (33.6%)
Indys 28.1% (25.6%)

"Our baseline targets are established based upon separate survey interviews with a sample of adults nationwide completed during the preceding three months (a total of 45,000 interviews) and targets are updated monthly. Currently, the baseline targets for the adult population are 40.1% Democrats, 33.1% Republicans, and 26.7% unaffiliated."

He uses the average of the previous three months, not just the preceding month.

Sorry, I wasn't being clear there.  Still, it will affect the underlying numbers, somewhat.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 02, 2009, 12:37:10 PM
Connecticut (Quinnipiac University):

71% Approve (+4)
22% Disapprove (-1)

From March 26 - 31, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,181 Connecticut registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.9 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1296.xml?ReleaseID=1283


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 02, 2009, 12:44:27 PM
FOX News/Opinion Dynamics:

58% Approve (-5)
32% Disapprove (+6)

Polling was conducted by telephone March 31 - April 1, 2009, in the evenings. The total sample is 900 registered voters nationwide with a margin of error of ±3 percentage points.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/040209_FNCPoll.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 02, 2009, 01:34:12 PM
South Dakota (Research 2000/DailyKos):

47% Favorable
45% Unfavorable

The Research 2000 South Dakota Poll was conducted from March 30 through April 1, 2009. A total of 600 likely voters who vote regularly in state elections were interviewed statewide by telephone.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/4/1/SD/280


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 02, 2009, 04:20:07 PM
South Dakota (Research 2000/DailyKos):

47% Favorable
45% Unfavorable

The Research 2000 South Dakota Poll was conducted from March 30 through April 1, 2009. A total of 600 likely voters who vote regularly in state elections were interviewed statewide by telephone.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/4/1/SD/280

I've just seen this on DKos now, i'm pretty suprised that Obama only have a net +2 in South Dakota. I know it went to McCain by +10 points, but still.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 02, 2009, 10:56:43 PM

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Now add South Dakota, with 3EV. 

The biggest states in electoral votes for which there are no polls are Maryland, Indiana, Colorado, Louisiana, and Oklahoma.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 03, 2009, 12:05:02 AM
The biggest states in electoral votes for which there are no polls are Maryland, Indiana, Colorado, Louisiana, and Oklahoma.

Well, actually there was a Maryland poll, but it was conducted January 5-9, before Obama was sworn in as President.

The results from this Gonzales Research survey:

Do you approve or disapprove of the way President-elect Barack Obama is handling his transition?

80% Approve
11% Disapprove

http://www.garesearch.com/Surveys/Maryland_Media_Poll_January_2009.htm


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 03, 2009, 12:25:33 AM
The biggest states in electoral votes for which there are no polls are Maryland, Indiana, Colorado, Louisiana, and Oklahoma.

Well, actually there was a Maryland poll, but it was conducted January 5-9, before Obama was sworn in as President.

The results from this Gonzales Research survey:

Do you approve or disapprove of the way President-elect Barack Obama is handling his transition?

80% Approve
11% Disapprove

http://www.garesearch.com/Surveys/Maryland_Media_Poll_January_2009.htm

(
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That's what an 80% approval rating looks like in Maryland. Of course I figure that Maryland would be about 70%, and I don't qualify as a pollster. But I still have to go with this:

(
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What people predict about the baseball season around April Fool's Day will mean nothing during the World Series.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 03, 2009, 12:33:23 AM
Obama's Approval Rating in Germany, according to the monthly ARD Deutschland-Trend by Infratest-dimap (conducted March 30-31, among 1.000 Germans, MoE=3%):

80% Approve
6% Disapprove

()

"With Obama as President, the US is on the right way again":

89% Yes

"I´m happy that Obama visits Germany":

82% Yes

"With Obama as President, the US is a country that we can trust":

78% Yes

"Obama's first months in office have surprised me in a positive way":

72% Yes

http://www.tagesschau.de/inland/deutschlandtrend592.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 03, 2009, 09:28:46 AM


"With Obama as President, the US is on the right way again":

89% Yes

"I´m happy that Obama visits Germany":

82% Yes

"With Obama as President, the US is a country that we can trust":

78% Yes

"Obama's first months in office have surprised me in a positive way":

72% Yes

http://www.tagesschau.de/inland/deutschlandtrend592.html

"Would you want Obama to father your daughter's child?"

94% Yes

"Do you approve of Obama's blond hair and blue eyes?"

88% Yes


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on April 03, 2009, 12:50:26 PM
I doubt Hitler's approval ratings were ever as high as Obama's. The most the Nazi Party ever got was like 44%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rob on April 03, 2009, 01:35:21 PM
Germans are gullible people.  Remember, these are the people that elected Hitler.

Yep, and German-Americans voted overwhelmingly for Willkie and Dewey to protest the war against Germany. Kind of sad and scary at the same time.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: minionofmidas on April 03, 2009, 04:10:58 PM
I doubt Hitler's approval ratings were ever as high as Obama's. The most the Nazi Party ever got was like 44%.

Hitler's approvals at the peak of his popularity, 1935-6, were probably well into the upper 80s. Not that anybody polled, of course.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 03, 2009, 04:13:35 PM


"With Obama as President, the US is on the right way again":

89% Yes

"I´m happy that Obama visits Germany":

82% Yes

"With Obama as President, the US is a country that we can trust":

78% Yes

"Obama's first months in office have surprised me in a positive way":

72% Yes

http://www.tagesschau.de/inland/deutschlandtrend592.html

"Would you want Obama to father your daughter's child?"

94% Yes

"Do you approve of Obama's blond hair and blue eyes?"

88% Yes

Germans are gullible people.  Remember, these are the people that elected Hitler.

They aren't so gullible as they were seventy years ago. They aren't the psychological primitives that Sigmund Freud exposed -- the sorts of people who couldn't recognize what a fraud Hitler was -- anymore. They are no longer the people that one can most lead with a manual that might as well have been titled "How to control people through deception and misplaced pride" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf).  

I'd be more scared of the Germans if they admired Dubya and loathed Obama. Wouldn't you?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 03, 2009, 04:25:07 PM


"With Obama as President, the US is on the right way again":

89% Yes

"I´m happy that Obama visits Germany":

82% Yes

"With Obama as President, the US is a country that we can trust":

78% Yes

"Obama's first months in office have surprised me in a positive way":

72% Yes

http://www.tagesschau.de/inland/deutschlandtrend592.html

"Would you want Obama to father your daughter's child?"

94% Yes

"Do you approve of Obama's blond hair and blue eyes?"

88% Yes

Germans are gullible people.  Remember, these are the people that elected Hitler.

I'd be more scared of the Germans if they admired Dubya and loathed Obama. Wouldn't you?

Most definitely!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: minionofmidas on April 03, 2009, 04:32:47 PM
From the same poll

"I had hoped for more from Obama" 12% say yes
"Obama's policies are the same as Bush's" 7% say yes.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on April 03, 2009, 04:53:51 PM
I'd be more scared of the Germans if they admired Dubya and loathed Obama. Wouldn't you?

There are people like that.
They are called Israelis.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on April 03, 2009, 05:06:52 PM
I'd be more scared of the Germans if they admired Dubya and loathed Obama. Wouldn't you?

There are people like that.
They are called Israelis.

Don't worry, px75.  I don't like Jews either.

Fitting.

Get in contact with Robert Stark.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 03, 2009, 05:18:17 PM
I'd be more scared of the Germans if they admired Dubya and loathed Obama. Wouldn't you?

There are people like that.
They are called Israelis.

Don't worry, px75.  I don't like Jews either.

American Jews voted heavily for Obama. What's wrong with Judaism, anyway?

(No, I am not Jewish, but I certainly respect Jews for their achievements and their comparatively-few pathologies. For one thing, Jews never persecuted my Quaker, Huguenot, Mennonite, or Moravian ancestors. For another, they were the white people most likely to support the Civil Rights Movement and did not participate in segregationist politics.

I'm not black, either, by the way).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on April 03, 2009, 05:24:59 PM
I'd be more scared of the Germans if they admired Dubya and loathed Obama. Wouldn't you?

There are people like that.
They are called Israelis.

Don't worry, px75.  I don't like Jews either.

I said Israelis dickhead. Not Jews.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 03, 2009, 05:31:03 PM
I don’t think Rasmussen can poll Hispanics very well. He has Obama at 28/72 approval among them. LOL


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on April 03, 2009, 05:37:23 PM
I don’t think Rasmussen can poll Hispanics very well. He has Obama at 28/72 approval among them. LOL

Haha, seriously? If so, the poll is kind of useless...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Boris on April 03, 2009, 06:15:32 PM
I don’t think Rasmussen can poll Hispanics very well. He has Obama at 28/72 approval among them. LOL

maybe they accidentally reversed the numbers


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on April 03, 2009, 10:55:58 PM
Germans are gullible people.  Remember, these are the people that elected Hitler.

Yep, and German-Americans voted overwhelmingly for Willkie and Dewey to protest the war against Germany. Kind of sad and scary at the same time.
They also were for the Union and voted for LaFollete. ;)

But yeah mostly I dislike German-American political views.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 04, 2009, 12:13:06 AM
Germans are gullible people.  Remember, these are the people that elected Hitler.

Yeah, it's only the nazi (http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,616499,00.html)-loving Germans (http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,617015,00.html) that approve of Obama by 9-1.

And not the Italian, the French, the British or Spanish or even the fascist Canadians ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 04, 2009, 12:24:21 AM
Arizona (WestGroup Research, never heard of it ...):

41% Approve
29% Disapprove

The poll has a 5 percent margin of error.

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2009/03/30/daily77.html

Newsweek/Princeton Research (April 1-2):

61% Approve
27% Disapprove

http://www.newsweek.com/id/192311


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on April 04, 2009, 07:57:22 AM

38% voted for a quasi-far-right party in 2008.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 04, 2009, 12:05:46 PM
Gallup's back up to 63-27, after 59-30 a few days ago.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on April 04, 2009, 12:13:45 PM
Gallup's back up to 63-27, after 59-30 a few days ago.

Hardly a surprise. Even the Republicans, of the non-Michelle-Bachmann variety, admit that his European trip has been a success until now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 04, 2009, 03:58:50 PM
Gallup's back up to 63-27, after 59-30 a few days ago.

Hardly a surprise. Even the Republicans, of the non-Michelle-Bachmann variety, admit that his European trip has been a success until now.

Except for the part where he blames America for everything.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on April 04, 2009, 04:15:48 PM
Gallup's back up to 63-27, after 59-30 a few days ago.

Hardly a surprise. Even the Republicans, of the non-Michelle-Bachmann variety, admit that his European trip has been a success until now.

Except for the part where he blames America for everything.

Your clock is about 20 years behind.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 04, 2009, 04:18:14 PM
Gallup's back up to 63-27, after 59-30 a few days ago.

Hardly a surprise. Even the Republicans, of the non-Michelle-Bachmann variety, admit that his European trip has been a success until now.

Except for the part where he blames America for everything.

Your clock is about 20 years behind.

I DARE him to come back on American soil and call America "arrogant." Let's see what kind of reaction he would get. He'd be lucky not to get a shoe thrown at him. Instead he plays right into the hands of the Anti-American Europeans.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on April 04, 2009, 04:28:13 PM
Gallup's back up to 63-27, after 59-30 a few days ago.

Hardly a surprise. Even the Republicans, of the non-Michelle-Bachmann variety, admit that his European trip has been a success until now.

Except for the part where he blames America for everything.

Your clock is about 20 years behind.

I DARE him to come back on American soil and call America "arrogant." Let's see what kind of reaction he would get. He'd be lucky not to get a shoe thrown at him. Instead he plays right into the hands of the Anti-American Europeans.

Arrogant is too mild a word to describe George W. Bush's America.

If you want to live into a fantasy world where your country invades a sovereign nation under false pretenses, ignores and belittles its allies and precipitates the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, and yet you admire it, then be my guest.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 04, 2009, 04:30:05 PM
Gallup's back up to 63-27, after 59-30 a few days ago.

Hardly a surprise. Even the Republicans, of the non-Michelle-Bachmann variety, admit that his European trip has been a success until now.

Except for the part where he blames America for everything.

Your clock is about 20 years behind.

I DARE him to come back on American soil and call America "arrogant." Let's see what kind of reaction he would get. He'd be lucky not to get a shoe thrown at him. Instead he plays right into the hands of the Anti-American Europeans.

Arrogant is too mild a word to describe George W. Bush's America.

If you want to live into a fantasy world where your country invades a sovereign nation under false pretenses, ignores and belittles its allies and precipitates the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, and yet you admire it, then be my guest.

Oh you're part of the blame America first crowd too. Good to know.

And yes, I do admire my country. I live in the greatest country on Earth.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on April 04, 2009, 04:50:00 PM
Oh you're part of the blame America first crowd too. Good to know.

And yes, I do admire my country. I live in the greatest country on Earth.

How is your crowd called? Delusional, flag waving, ultra-nationalist defenders of ''Manifest Destiny''?
Or perhaps the ''White Resentment Appreciation Association''?

Grow up man! The 80's are over and Ronald Reagan is still dead.
And I hate to break it to you, but the greatest country on earth is owed by China. So get used to some ass kissing.
 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on April 04, 2009, 04:57:52 PM
Oh you're part of the blame America first crowd too. Good to know.

And yes, I do admire my country. I live in the greatest country on Earth.

How is your crowd called? Delusional, flag waving, ultra-nationalist defenders of ''Manifest Destiny''?
Or perhaps the ''White Resentment Appreciation Association''?

Grow up man! The 80's are over and Ronald Reagan is still dead.
And I hate to break it to you, but the greatest country on earth is owed by China. So get used to some ass kissing.
 
:o


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on April 04, 2009, 05:58:07 PM
Oh you're part of the blame America first crowd too. Good to know.

And yes, I do admire my country. I live in the greatest country on Earth.

How is your crowd called? Delusional, flag waving, ultra-nationalist defenders of ''Manifest Destiny''?
Or perhaps the ''White Resentment Appreciation Association''?

Grow up man! The 80's are over and Ronald Reagan is still dead.
And I hate to break it to you, but the greatest country on earth is owed by China. So get used to some ass kissing.
 
:o

Why are you surprised?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rob on April 04, 2009, 06:03:12 PM
Oh you're part of the blame America first crowd too. Good to know.

And yes, I do admire my country. I live in the greatest country on Earth.

How is your crowd called? Delusional, flag waving, ultra-nationalist defenders of ''Manifest Destiny''?
Or perhaps the ''White Resentment Appreciation Association''?

Grow up man! The 80's are over and Ronald Reagan is still dead.
And I hate to break it to you, but the greatest country on earth is owed by China. So get used to some ass kissing.
 
:o

Too soon?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 04, 2009, 07:25:13 PM
Gallup's back up to 63-27, after 59-30 a few days ago.

Hardly a surprise. Even the Republicans, of the non-Michelle-Bachmann variety, admit that his European trip has been a success until now.

Except for the part where he blames America for everything.

Your clock is about 20 years behind.

I DARE him to come back on American soil and call America "arrogant." Let's see what kind of reaction he would get. He'd be lucky not to get a shoe thrown at him. Instead he plays right into the hands of the Anti-American Europeans.

Alot have only became anti-American because of George W Bush. I don't know about the rest of Europe, but here in the UK, generally, there's been more respect for America since November 4th.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on April 04, 2009, 10:41:01 PM
Only America would elect George W. There is just a special breed of people here who simply cannot stand the thought of their president being more intelligent than they are.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 05, 2009, 05:39:44 AM
Iowa (Des Moines Register/Selzer & Co.):

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The poll, conducted Monday through Wednesday by Selzer and Co. of Des Moines, included telephone interviews with 802 Iowans age 18 and older. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20090405/NEWS09/904050334/1001/NEWS


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on April 05, 2009, 02:14:38 PM
And yes, I do admire my country. I live in the greatest country on Earth.

That doesn't mean you cannot criticize America.  I'm certainly not member of the "Blame America first crowd" (partly because it doesn't exist); America has made a lot of mistakes, especially in the way it has handled the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.  It is foolish to think that America is infallible, because it isn't.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 06, 2009, 08:33:30 AM
Rasmussen:

58% Approve (+2)
41% Disapprove (-2)

New York (Quinnipiac):

71% Approve
21% Disapprove

From April 1- 5, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,528 New York State registered voters, with a margin of error of +/- 2.5 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1284


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 06, 2009, 12:45:01 PM
Kentucky(PPP)

Approve 46%
Disapprove 45%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_KY_406.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 06, 2009, 02:49:38 PM
Kentucky(PPP)

Approve 46%
Disapprove 45%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_KY_406.pdf

New map:

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Did anyone expect Kentucky to give Obama a strong positive approval rating indefinitely?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 06, 2009, 03:13:52 PM
Hasn't there been any polls from Indiana?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 06, 2009, 05:51:14 PM
Hasn't there been any polls from Indiana?

... or Colorado, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, Montana, Nevada, or Oklahoma


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: justfollowingtheelections on April 06, 2009, 06:35:24 PM
I'm more interested in Idaho, Wyoming and Nebraska.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 07, 2009, 12:16:11 AM
Kentucky(PPP)

Approve 46%
Disapprove 45%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_KY_406.pdf

While the crosstabs of this poll look very weird (young voters strongly disapprove of Obama, olds approve), I think the overall approval is more accurate for KY than what SUSA showed a week ago.

...

New York Times/CBS poll:

66% Approve
24% Disapprove

This poll was conducted among a random sample of 998 adults nationwide, interviewed by
telephone April 1-5, 2009.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_Obama_040609.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 07, 2009, 05:18:11 AM
New International Herald Tribune/Harris Interactive poll:

Do you have a very good/somewhat good or somewhat poor/very poor opinion of Barack Obama ?

France: 86% Good, 3% Poor (+83)

Italy: 86% Good, 5% Poor (+81)

Germany: 85% Good, 5% Poor (+80)

Spain: 84% Good, 6% Poor (+78)

UK: 72% Good, 10% Poor (+62)

USA: 68% Good, 23% Poor (+45)

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/world/2009/07iht-poll.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Holmes on April 07, 2009, 07:23:49 AM
Obama should stop campaigning for president of the world. ::)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 07, 2009, 08:57:13 AM

I know that's really high, but I really think it should be higher for the UK.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 07, 2009, 09:20:30 AM
Kentucky(PPP)

Approve 46%
Disapprove 45%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_KY_406.pdf

While the crosstabs of this poll look very weird (young voters strongly disapprove of Obama, olds approve), I think the overall approval is more accurate for KY than what SUSA showed a week ago.

...

New York Times/CBS poll:

66% Approve
24% Disapprove

This poll was conducted among a random sample of 998 adults nationwide, interviewed by
telephone April 1-5, 2009.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_Obama_040609.pdf

I love the D+16 partisan split in this poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 07, 2009, 01:25:13 PM
Kentucky(PPP)

Approve 46%
Disapprove 45%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_KY_406.pdf

While the crosstabs of this poll look very weird (young voters strongly disapprove of Obama, olds approve), I think the overall approval is more accurate for KY than what SUSA showed a week ago.

...

New York Times/CBS poll:

66% Approve
24% Disapprove

This poll was conducted among a random sample of 998 adults nationwide, interviewed by
telephone April 1-5, 2009.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_Obama_040609.pdf

I love the D+16 partisan split in this poll.

It's an adult poll, so it shouldn't be that surprising or far off from reality (more minorities, more non-citizens, more youngster, therefore the sample is more Democratic).

Even if you adjust it for 2008 Exit poll data, his numbers are at 63-27 ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Nym90 on April 08, 2009, 11:55:18 AM
New International Herald Tribune/Harris Interactive poll:

Italy: 86% Good, 5% Poor (+81)

Phil can't be too pleased about those numbers. :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 08, 2009, 12:02:49 PM
Latest CNN Poll (1023 Adults, April 3-5):

66% Approve
30% Disapprove

Latest Pew Poll (1506 Adults, March 31-April 6):

61% Approve
26% Disapprove

Latest Rasmussen Tracking (1500 Likely Voters, April 5-7):

57% Approve
42% Disapprove

Latest Gallup Tracking (1500 Adults, April 5-7):

60% Approve
28% Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 08, 2009, 12:27:11 PM
Marist Poll (928 Registered Voters, April 1-3):

56% Approve
30% Disapprove

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/usapolls/us090401/Obama/Obama%20Approval%20Rating.htm


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on April 08, 2009, 01:05:37 PM
http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama.php

He seems to have gotten some sort of EURO TRIP bump. That, or his approvals are stabilizing around 60%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on April 08, 2009, 02:40:04 PM
Why does Rasmussen like being idiots? 57% approval? Likely voters? I liked them during the campaign but now they're just being ridiculous.

Also, why hasn't any polling organization polled one of the closest states of the election and a state that went Democrat for the first time in 44 years yet!!!!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 08, 2009, 02:56:25 PM
Why does Rasmussen like being idiots? 57% approval? Likely voters? I liked them during the campaign but now they're just being ridiculous.

Also, why hasn't any polling organization polled one of the closest states of the election and a state that went Democrat for the first time in 44 years yet!!!!

Whats wrong with a 57% approval? Thats more realistic than CBSNews and CNN 66% crap.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on April 08, 2009, 02:57:58 PM
Why does Rasmussen like being idiots? 57% approval? Likely voters? I liked them during the campaign but now they're just being ridiculous.

Also, why hasn't any polling organization polled one of the closest states of the election and a state that went Democrat for the first time in 44 years yet!!!!

Whats wrong with a 57% approval? Thats better than CBSNews 66% crap.

Rasmussen deflates it's numbers alot by using a ridiculous "likely voters" screen. We're three and ahalf years from the next Presidential election and a year and ahalf from a Congressional election, so there's no point to something like that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 08, 2009, 03:01:46 PM
New International Herald Tribune/Harris Interactive poll:

Italy: 86% Good, 5% Poor (+81)

Phil can't be too pleased about those numbers. :)

Oh, boy. The same country that adores Berlusconi. They just love their celebrities.

Italy is consistently one of Obama's "best countries," by the way. It's also one of the most right wing countries in all of Europe. Does that smell funny to anyone else?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 08, 2009, 03:37:52 PM
Why does Rasmussen like being idiots? 57% approval? Likely voters? I liked them during the campaign but now they're just being ridiculous.

Also, why hasn't any polling organization polled one of the closest states of the election and a state that went Democrat for the first time in 44 years yet!!!!

Whats wrong with a 57% approval? Thats more realistic than CBSNews and CNN 66% crap.

Rasmussen got it right in 2000 and 2004. But his "likely voters" screen would have rejected as a "likely voter" someone under 22 who was actively involved in a campaign because that person had never voted in a Presidential election.  That screen proved unduly rigid in 2008. Obama wasn't Kerry, and 2008 was very different from 2004.

Although the young adult vote is capricious it is capricious in odd ways.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 08, 2009, 03:39:13 PM
Why does Rasmussen like being idiots? 57% approval? Likely voters? I liked them during the campaign but now they're just being ridiculous.

Also, why hasn't any polling organization polled one of the closest states of the election and a state that went Democrat for the first time in 44 years yet!!!!

Whats wrong with a 57% approval? Thats more realistic than CBSNews and CNN 66% crap.

Rasmussen got it right in 2000 and 2004. But his "likely voters" screen would have rejected as a "likely voter" someone under 22 who was actively involved in a campaign because that person had never voted in a Presidential election.  That screen proved unduly rigid in 2008. Obama wasn't Kerry, and 2008 was very different from 2004.

Although the young adult vote is capricious it is capricious in odd ways.   

Uhh, Rasmussen nailed it in 2008.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lunar on April 08, 2009, 03:43:01 PM
what's a likely voter right now anyway?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 08, 2009, 03:44:44 PM
I have to agree that "likely voters" aren't a factor at this point.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 08, 2009, 03:46:08 PM
what's a likely voter right now anyway?

Someone likely to vote. :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lunar on April 08, 2009, 03:52:23 PM

in the last election or in 2012?  And Rasmussen lacks the magic powers necessary to come up with any kind of reasonable voter model four years before an election occurs


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 08, 2009, 03:54:25 PM

in the last election or in 2012?  And Rasmussen lacks the magic powers necessary to come up with any kind of reasonable voter model four years before an election occurs

Don't underestimate Scotty. Who knows what his LV screen is.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on April 08, 2009, 04:01:46 PM
Why does Rasmussen like being idiots? 57% approval? Likely voters? I liked them during the campaign but now they're just being ridiculous.

Also, why hasn't any polling organization polled one of the closest states of the election and a state that went Democrat for the first time in 44 years yet!!!!

Whats wrong with a 57% approval? Thats more realistic than CBSNews and CNN 66% crap.

Rasmussen got it right in 2000 and 2004. But his "likely voters" screen would have rejected as a "likely voter" someone under 22 who was actively involved in a campaign because that person had never voted in a Presidential election.  That screen proved unduly rigid in 2008. Obama wasn't Kerry, and 2008 was very different from 2004.

Although the young adult vote is capricious it is capricious in odd ways.   

Uhh, Rasmussen nailed it in 2008.

No...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 08, 2009, 04:07:24 PM
Why does Rasmussen like being idiots? 57% approval? Likely voters? I liked them during the campaign but now they're just being ridiculous.

Also, why hasn't any polling organization polled one of the closest states of the election and a state that went Democrat for the first time in 44 years yet!!!!

Whats wrong with a 57% approval? Thats more realistic than CBSNews and CNN 66% crap.

Rasmussen got it right in 2000 and 2004. But his "likely voters" screen would have rejected as a "likely voter" someone under 22 who was actively involved in a campaign because that person had never voted in a Presidential election.  That screen proved unduly rigid in 2008. Obama wasn't Kerry, and 2008 was very different from 2004.

Although the young adult vote is capricious it is capricious in odd ways.   

Uhh, Rasmussen nailed it in 2008.

No...

No? He had 52-46, the final result was 53-46.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lunar on April 08, 2009, 04:09:41 PM
one of the biggest critiques of Rasmussen is that he uses far too tight LV screens way out before it's remotely possible to determine who the LV's are.  you should at least acknowledge this criticism if you are going to assert his superiority over other polls for an election four years away


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 08, 2009, 04:12:08 PM
one of the biggest critiques of Rasmussen is that he uses far too tight LV screens way out before it's remotely possible to determine who the LV's are.  you should at least acknowledge this criticism if you are going to assert his superiority over other polls for an election four years away

I am no way saying that his poll is perfect right now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that at all. My personal preference would be for registered voters polls. But to say he didn't nail the final result in 2008, is just ignoring the facts.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lunar on April 08, 2009, 04:17:18 PM
fair enough, he's a very credible pollster, especially with a few like Gallup wildly missing the need to have a more conservative voter turnout model in 2008


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on April 08, 2009, 04:24:16 PM
one of the biggest critiques of Rasmussen is that he uses far too tight LV screens way out before it's remotely possible to determine who the LV's are.  you should at least acknowledge this criticism if you are going to assert his superiority over other polls for an election four years away

I am no way saying that his poll is perfect right now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that at all. My personal preference would be for registered voters polls. But to say he didn't nail the final result in 2008, is just ignoring the facts.

But you do need to give more concession to LV screens.  One of the major components of a quality LV screen is "how much attention are you paying to this election?"  Such a screen becomes event-sensitive at a time like now, and for instance bailout critics are more likely to identify as "paying close attention" right now than supporters.  If such a screen isn't used, this test falls back on past electoral participation -- a useful variable, but one that inevitably biases Republican at this time in the cycle.

Rasmussen is a reputable pollster.  I'd hardly dismiss his LV screen, even very early, as a measurement of likelihood to be politically educated.  But there is no such thing as a "likely voter" screen three years before an election.  A "likely voter" three years before the election is not hard to screen, but like I said, you're not going to get a representative sample.

By the way, not to criticize results-oriented analysis, but a Zogby could nail final results.  Even if someone nailed three elections in a row, they shouldn't be granted unquestioned credibility unless they can rationally explain their methodology.  Rassy can, but I'm saying, "nailed it" is not the end-all.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on April 08, 2009, 06:09:44 PM
His final nation poll was good, yes, but his state polls were pretty mediocre.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lunar on April 08, 2009, 06:11:31 PM
His final nation poll was good, yes, but his state polls were pretty mediocre.

not really relevant if we're talking about a current national poll


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smash255 on April 09, 2009, 12:38:33 AM
His final nation poll was good, yes, but his state polls were pretty mediocre.

not really relevant if we're talking about a current national poll

I'm not 100% sure, but I believe his polls leading into the election were a bit more GOP friendly.  He got it close at the very end, but a week or so out IIRC he was a bit off, though I don't remember exactly what he had.

One other thing to mention is when a President is popular he seems to have lower approvals than everyone else and when a President isn't popular his numbers seem to be better than everyone else.  Rasmussen tended to be the pollster where Bush had the highest approvals (the last several years) and where Obama has had his worst numbers.  Hard to say if that has to do with the way its asked (Strongly, somewhat approve/disapprove), a more GOP lean, or the LV screen, but the fact Rasmussen was Bush's best pollster & Obama's worst is interesting nonetheless.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on April 09, 2009, 12:47:56 AM
His final nation poll was good, yes, but his state polls were pretty mediocre.

not really relevant if we're talking about a current national poll

Maybe. I mean, I don't know that the methodology behind a state poll and a national poll is that different. I assume a national poll is just like polling a very large state, but I may be wrong. On election day, 2008, (or the days leading up to it, at least), Rasmussen released a number of finals polls, of which the national poll was only one out of what, 10 or 20? Can a pollster be much better at national polls than he is at state polls? Was his national poll's accuracy a fluke? I don't know.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 09, 2009, 01:13:53 AM
I think the upcoming immigration debate will cost him a few points (~5%) as well ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on April 09, 2009, 01:23:49 AM
Just have to stay above 55%. No way we can lose as long as we keep that goal in place.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on April 09, 2009, 01:46:44 AM
I think the upcoming immigration debate will cost him a few points (~5%) as well ...

Losing a few points temporarily, but possibly locking in the Democratic camp the fastest-growing minority group. That sounds a pretty fair deal.
Carl Rove was no dummy when he insisted that Bush and the Republicans MUST pass immigration reform in order to remain relevant in the future.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 09, 2009, 12:28:50 PM
Rasmussen and Gallup are both down today, 55-44 vs. 59-29.

New Jersey (FDU, 809 RV, March 30-April 5):

66% Approve
22% Disapprove

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/aig/tab.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on April 09, 2009, 12:54:05 PM
Folks, the Rasmussen national poll for 2008 would have been pretty much *dead on the money* had he adjusted his sample for higher black turnout.  His moving weight party ID was pretty much dead-on, as I recall.

Now, I have issues with Rasmussen national polling *at this moment*, in that I can't figure how you determine what a "likely voter" is when we're a couple of year away from a major election.  But his record on the national poll level cannot be poo-pooed.

At the state-wide level, as I have noted in my "state poll review" thread, I am pretty convinced that the reason certain pollsters fared the best in 2008 was because of loose LV screens.  That would explain why a number of questionable college pollsters did well and why Rasmussen and Mason-Dixon didn't (for example).  Now, this is something to keep in mind, especially for 2012, but I wouldn't expect the same event to happen in 2010.

Anyway, I view this whole thread as kind of mundane.  Obama's approval is around 60% right now (+/- 3% - I lean more towards the minus), with roughly around 35%-40% loving him, 20% thinking he's doing ok and 30% hating his guts.  The 10% who show up as neutral probably would vote against him if he were running today, but don't expect that to translate into activity down-ballot for now.  If and when those 10% move to hating his guts or the 20% start questioning or turning against him whole hog, then it will translate downballot.  But that's not happening now. 

Lastly, if and when his approval has any type of major movement one way or the other, we'll know.  Be patient.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 15, 2009, 09:52:05 PM
Georgia-SurveyUSA

Approve 54%
Disapprove 40%

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=a96fd956-46f4-49e8-b3d5-c8abb3d47a0e


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on April 15, 2009, 10:02:14 PM
Just have to stay above 55%. No way we can lose as long as we keep that goal in place.

According to the prophet Nate Silver, Obama needs a 65% approval rating in Nov 2010 for the Democrats to avoid losing congressional seats.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 15, 2009, 10:18:38 PM
New map:

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Obama is still above 50% in Georgia... That's still trouble for the GOP. Big trouble!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 15, 2009, 11:37:07 PM
Minnesota (PPP, April 14-15):

60% Approve
30% Disapprove

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_MN_415.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 16, 2009, 05:07:30 PM
Virginia- Rasmussen

Approve 56%
Disapprove 44%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2009/virginia/toplines/toplines_virginia_governor_election_april_15_2009

Illinois- Rasmussen

Approve 67%
Disapprove 33%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/illinois/toplines/toplines_illinois_april_14_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on April 16, 2009, 05:54:55 PM
0% of people in Virginia have no opinion or are undecided about Obama?

Okay Scott...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 16, 2009, 08:34:15 PM
0% of people in Virginia have no opinion or are undecided about Obama?

Okay Scott...

He gives the "somewhat" option that other pollsters don't. This draws more people into giving some type of opinion.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 16, 2009, 11:51:49 PM
North Carolina (PPP):

54% Approve
38% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 979 North Carolina voters from April 8th to 11th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-3.1%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_416.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 17, 2009, 12:03:08 AM
South Dakota (Dakota Wesleyan University):

62% Approve
29% Disapprove

Respondents who identified themselves as Democrats approved of Obama at a rate of 83 percent, while the approval rating from self-identified Republicans was 41 percent and the rating from self-identified independents was 61 percent.

DWU’s new poll results are based on telephone interviews with 413 South Dakotans conducted by students and faculty between March 23 and April 6. The poll’s theoretical margin of error is plus or minus 4.8 percent for the statewide sample, with a confidence level of 95 percent.

http://www.dwu.edu/press/2009/apr16.htm


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 17, 2009, 12:07:01 AM
Florida (Quinnipiac):

60% Approve
32% Disapprove

63% Favorable
30% Unfavorable

From April 6 - 13, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,332 Florida voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.7 percentage points. The survey includes 570 Republicans with a margin of error of +/- 4.1 percentage points and 474 Democrats with a margin of error of +/- 4.5 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1287


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 17, 2009, 12:29:05 AM
Cook Political Report/RT Strategies:

60% Approve
30% Disapprove

In a hypothetical 2012 presidential general election match-up, 50 percent said that they would definitely or probably vote for Barack Obama again (32 percent definitely, 18 percent probably) while 39 percent indicated that they would definitely or probably vote against him (26 percent definitely, 13 percent probably).

Conducted April 8-11 among 833 RV, MoE=3.4%

http://www.cookpolitical.com/poll


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 17, 2009, 04:43:39 AM
Map update:

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South Dakota approval rating 62%? South Dakota went decisively for John McCain in 2008.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Holmes on April 17, 2009, 07:51:05 AM
Who knows. Maybe an outlier, maybe a political shift!? :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 17, 2009, 09:42:56 AM
Who knows. Maybe an outlier, maybe a political shift!? :P

Or a junk uni poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 17, 2009, 09:43:25 AM
Texas- Rasmussen

Approve 48%
Disapprove 52%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/texas/toplines/toplines_texas_april_16_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Nhoj on April 17, 2009, 09:57:08 AM
Texas- Rasmussen

Approve 48%
Disapprove 52%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/texas/toplines/toplines_texas_april_16_2009
now there's a poll that seems accurate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on April 17, 2009, 10:28:01 AM
Texas- Rasmussen

Approve 48%
Disapprove 52%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/texas/toplines/toplines_texas_april_16_2009

Bring on the declaration of secession!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 17, 2009, 10:37:28 AM
Texas- Rasmussen

Approve 48%
Disapprove 52%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/texas/toplines/toplines_texas_april_16_2009

Oh well, they're gonna seceed anyway, apparently.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 17, 2009, 11:07:22 AM
DKos/Research 2000
Obama Favourable/Unfavourable: 69%/27%

April 13-16, 2009
MOE 2%

http://dailykos.com/weeklypoll/2009/4/16 (http://dailykos.com/weeklypoll/2009/4/16)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 17, 2009, 12:58:04 PM
Texas- Rasmussen

Approve 48%
Disapprove 52%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/texas/toplines/toplines_texas_april_16_2009

Not too bad, given that Rasmussen has Obama @ 55% nationally (-7).

But Obama got a 9-10% lower share in TX on Election Day.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 17, 2009, 01:00:22 PM
Latest Czech Republic Obama approval rating:

85% Approve
13% Disapprove

Poll conducted by STEM between April 1-6 among 1297 people aged 18+.

http://www.stem.cz/clanek/1790


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 18, 2009, 12:28:07 AM
Map update:

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Yellow is for larger disapproval than approval.

What can you expect of a State that voted for Rick Perry?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ottermax on April 18, 2009, 12:48:29 AM
I wonder what his approval rating in Hawaii is when you compound the native son and incumbency factors?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on April 18, 2009, 04:23:44 AM
DKos/Research 2000
Obama Favourable/Unfavourable: 69%/27%

April 13-16, 2009
MOE 2%

http://dailykos.com/weeklypoll/2009/4/16 (http://dailykos.com/weeklypoll/2009/4/16)

Not buying that one.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: marvelrobbins on April 18, 2009, 09:03:05 AM
Texas- Rasmussen

Approve 48%
Disapprove 52%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/texas/toplines/toplines_texas_april_16_2009

Not too bad, given that Rasmussen has Obama @ 55% nationally (-7).

But Obama got a 9-10% lower share in TX on Election Day.

They giving Obama a 48 percent approvol Is not bad for him in Texas.From how Perry Is talking you would think It would be 38 percent approval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 18, 2009, 09:22:01 AM
DKos/Research 2000
Obama Favourable/Unfavourable: 69%/27%

April 13-16, 2009
MOE 2%

http://dailykos.com/weeklypoll/2009/4/16 (http://dailykos.com/weeklypoll/2009/4/16)

Not buying that one.

That one is pretty questionable, but I suppose you can still disapprove of the job Obama is doing, but still find him "favourable".


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Verily on April 18, 2009, 09:23:51 AM
DKos/Research 2000
Obama Favourable/Unfavourable: 69%/27%

April 13-16, 2009
MOE 2%

http://dailykos.com/weeklypoll/2009/4/16 (http://dailykos.com/weeklypoll/2009/4/16)

Not buying that one.

That one is pretty questionable, but I suppose you can still disapprove of the job Obama is doing, but still find him "favourable".

It's not actually questionable at all. Favorable numbers are always about 10% above approval numbers until you start getting really, really unpopular. Now, Kos is reporting favorable numbers instead of approval numbers because they look better and most people don't know the difference, so in that sense it's dishonest. But the numbers aren't a lie.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 20, 2009, 12:44:25 PM
New York (Siena Poll):

75% Favorable
19% Unfavorable

http://www.siena.edu/uploadedFiles/Home/Parents_and_Community/Community_Page/SRI/SNY_Poll/09%20April%20SNY%20Poll%20Release%20--%20FINAL.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on April 20, 2009, 05:54:03 PM
New York (Siena Poll):

75% Favorable
19% Unfavorable

http://www.siena.edu/uploadedFiles/Home/Parents_and_Community/Community_Page/SRI/SNY_Poll/09%20April%20SNY%20Poll%20Release%20--%20FINAL.pdf

That's how we do it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 21, 2009, 12:51:53 AM

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In case someone wants to see what an 80% approval rating looks like in a substantial state if one rounds up 75% to 80%.

It looks like an outlier, so back to what I really think it is (round 75% down to 70%):

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75% is hard to get even as an outlier even for a Democrat in New York State.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 21, 2009, 09:52:33 AM
Massachusetts- Rasmussen

Approve 58%
Disapprove 42%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/massachusetts/toplines/toplines_massachusetts_likely_voters_april_16_2009

Cue the Rasmussen bashing in 3, 2, 1...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Nhoj on April 21, 2009, 10:02:54 AM
Massachusetts- Rasmussen

Approve 58%
Disapprove 42%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/massachusetts/toplines/toplines_massachusetts_likely_voters_april_16_2009

Cue the Rasmussen bashing in 3, 2, 1...
ok will do crap poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 21, 2009, 11:02:18 AM
Colorado- PPP

Approve 49%
Disapprove 45%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_CO_421.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on April 21, 2009, 12:52:52 PM
Colorado- PPP

Approve 49%
Disapprove 45%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_CO_421.pdf

That seems pretty strange. It makes me interested in seeing some more polls out of Colorado.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 21, 2009, 01:22:35 PM
Map update:

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When you want a Colorado poll and you get it, you don't have cause to carp about it being something other than what you like.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 21, 2009, 01:53:29 PM
How dare those Colorado voters not like the Messiah! Junk poll!!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on April 21, 2009, 02:00:58 PM
How dare those Colorado voters not like the Messiah! Junk poll!!

If they dont like him then they shouldnt have voted for him in November.  They knew exactly what they were getting and if they didnt like it then they could have voted for McCain and help put him in the White House.  The attitude these days of voting for somebody and then deciding they dont like them is just shameful.  They knew what they were getting. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Holmes on April 21, 2009, 02:37:17 PM
Don't be sad when Obama wins Massachusetts >62% in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 21, 2009, 02:51:13 PM

Lol, that made me laugh.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on April 21, 2009, 02:57:11 PM
Colorado- PPP

Approve 49%
Disapprove 45%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_CO_421.pdf

That seems pretty strange. It makes me interested in seeing some more polls out of Colorado.

The numbers for Mark Udall are even stranger. He is in negative territory (41%-46% ), even though he hasn't done anything controversial, not to mention it's just a few months since he was sworn in.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on April 21, 2009, 03:18:49 PM
Don't be shocked if the Democrat's approvals don't remain sky high forever. Remember, the Republicans had a lot of negative approvals for congressional candidates who had done nothing controversial as well. If Obama is not particularly popular in Colorado, then it's no surprise that the Democratic senator is running behind him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on April 21, 2009, 03:24:11 PM
Hmmm, I wasn't expecting Colorado to be so low. I know it's only one poll, but judging by it, Republicans will at least have a shot to win it back in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Holmes on April 21, 2009, 03:31:52 PM
You should not base 2012 predictions on polls that are 44 months out. These are just for fun. Your posts will only get bumped in the future and laughed at.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 21, 2009, 03:33:03 PM
You should not base 2012 predictions on polls that are 44 months out. These are just for fun. Your posts will only get bumped in the future and laughed at.

He said "a shot." He didn't say that Obama would lose Colorado.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on April 21, 2009, 03:38:37 PM
You should not base 2012 predictions on polls that are 44 months out. These are just for fun. Your posts will only get bumped in the future and laughed at.

I'm not stupid. If you look at my post, I said "I know it's only one poll" and "a shot". I'm not making an predictions. I'm just going off this one poll, which I obviously know is premature. Honestly though, if the election was today, I know Colorado would vote for Obama. But if the Colorado ratings are this much lower than the national ratings, we could have a good chance, even if Obama has a 50% approval rating nationwide.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on April 21, 2009, 03:43:46 PM
Don't be shocked if the Democrat's approvals don't remain sky high forever. Remember, the Republicans had a lot of negative approvals for congressional candidates who had done nothing controversial as well. If Obama is not particularly popular in Colorado, then it's no surprise that the Democratic senator is running behind him.

The Republican candidates were dragged down by Bush's horrible numbers and a tarnished party brand. And even then it took a while for their numbers to go south. 
That doesn't apply here. Obama still has a positive rating and the Democratic party has consistently high ratings. And of course Udall just got elected rather comfortably.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: justfollowingtheelections on April 21, 2009, 06:42:06 PM
The sample for the Colorado poll was 38% Republican and 36% Democratic, which is probably why the results are so weird.  There's no way it's representative of the state's population if we take into account how they voted in November or the fact that registered Democrats exceed the number of registered Republicans.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 21, 2009, 06:52:11 PM
You should not base 2012 predictions on polls that are 44 months out. These are just for fun. Your posts will only get bumped in the future and laughed at.

Of course. Four months before Election Day, 2008 the Presidency entailed a very close race. Sarah Palin showed herself a fool and the economy melted down, and it's merciful for the GOP that the election of 2008 didn't happen later. The polls are at best snapshots of sentiment in a place at given time. Example: there were times in which McCain was ahead of Obama or when Obama was ahead of McCain in Alaska.

The "Tea Party"  activities gave free publicity to the GOP and right-wing interests. A pundit on the Propaganda Channel (FoX "News") just played it up as the beginning of the end for Obama's Presidency. The Republican candidate of  2012 be obliged to offer an alternative to Barack Obama in 2012. A mealy-mouthed stealth candidate won't win; neither will a nut.

Many thought Michael Dukakis a shoo-in in the summer of 1988.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 21, 2009, 06:54:45 PM
New Jersey- Strategic Vision
Approve 58%
Disapprove 35%

http://www.strategicvision.biz/political/newjersey_poll_042209.htm


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 21, 2009, 11:56:45 PM
The sample for the Colorado poll was 38% Republican and 36% Democratic, which is probably why the results are so weird.  There's no way it's representative of the state's population if we take into account how they voted in November or the fact that registered Democrats exceed the number of registered Republicans.

No, more Republicans than Democrats voted in Colorado last year. The only difference is that Obama won Independents by 10, but is now tied in this poll. He also gets a record low approval from Republicans somehow (17%), allthough other polls show his support among Republicans nationwide at between 25-35%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 21, 2009, 11:57:57 PM
Georgia (Strategic Vision):

55% Approve
39% Disapprove

The results are based on telephone interviews with 800 likely voters in Georgia, aged 18+, and conducted April 17-19, 2009 by telephone. The margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.

http://www.strategicvision.biz/political/georgia_poll_042209.htm



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on April 22, 2009, 12:10:06 AM
For what it's worth, PPP has been showing pretty low approvals for Obama. They were also one of the more accurate pollsters last year. So, I'm not sure what to think.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on April 22, 2009, 12:38:03 AM
Hard to believe that Obama is more popular in Georgia than in Colorado.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 22, 2009, 12:42:45 AM
Obama might experience softer approval ratings from hard-core liberals these days, after coddling the CIA torturers and not prosecuting former members of the vicious and murderous Bush junta. Many of them could move to "undecided" now, pushing down his high approvals in states like Jersey and Massachusetts.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 22, 2009, 06:15:21 AM
Obama might experience softer approval ratings from hard-core liberals these days, after coddling the CIA torturers and not prosecuting former members of the vicious and murderous Bush junta. Many of them could move to "undecided" now, pushing down his high approvals in states like Jersey and Massachusetts.

Imaginable -- but should there be indictments of people of low morals formerly in high places, then that would really scare the Right.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on April 22, 2009, 09:00:27 AM
Obama might experience softer approval ratings from hard-core liberals these days, after coddling the CIA torturers and not prosecuting former members of the vicious and murderous Bush junta. Many of them could move to "undecided" now, pushing down his high approvals in states like Jersey and Massachusetts.

Is this a joke post?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 22, 2009, 09:05:15 AM
I think the major difference in approval ratings and why they are lower for Rasmussen and PPP is that they both use IVR while most other pollsters still use live callers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on April 22, 2009, 10:34:22 AM
I think the major difference in approval ratings and why they are lower for Rasmussen and PPP is that they both use IVR while most other pollsters still use live callers.

It's the most logical explanation I can come up with - especially with the higher disapprovals.  I also believe PPP uses *voters*, which translates to me to mean RV.  Any type of voters vs. adults comparison would undoubtedly show higher disapprovals.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on April 22, 2009, 12:21:45 PM
Obama might experience softer approval ratings from hard-core liberals these days, after coddling the CIA torturers and not prosecuting former members of the vicious and murderous Bush junta. Many of them could move to "undecided" now, pushing down his high approvals in states like Jersey and Massachusetts.

zufällig im Heurigen gewesen heute? ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 22, 2009, 01:04:00 PM

No, 100% my opinion.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: jamestroll on April 22, 2009, 01:04:53 PM
Obama might experience softer approval ratings from hard-core liberals these days, after coddling the CIA torturers and not prosecuting former members of the vicious and murderous Bush junta. Many of them could move to "undecided" now, pushing down his high approvals in states like Jersey and Massachusetts.

zufällig im Heurigen gewesen heute? ;)

You know/learned a lot of what?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 22, 2009, 01:05:42 PM
New Jersey (Quinnipiac):

67% Approve (+6)
24% Disapprove (-4)

From April 14 - 20, Quinnipiac University surveyed 2,222 New Jersey registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.1 percentage points. The survey includes 486 Republican likely voters, with a margin of error of +/- 4.5 percentage points, and 460 Democratic likely voters, with a margin of error of +/- 4.6 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1288


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 22, 2009, 01:07:58 PM
Obama might experience softer approval ratings from hard-core liberals these days, after coddling the CIA torturers and not prosecuting former members of the vicious and murderous Bush junta. Many of them could move to "undecided" now, pushing down his high approvals in states like Jersey and Massachusetts.

zufällig im Heurigen gewesen heute? ;)

You know/learned a lot of what?


Franzl asked if I was in a (wine) bar in the morning, but forgot to metion that Heurige only exist in Eastern Austria, not Salzburg ... :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on April 22, 2009, 01:13:44 PM
Obama might experience softer approval ratings from hard-core liberals these days, after coddling the CIA torturers and not prosecuting former members of the vicious and murderous Bush junta. Many of them could move to "undecided" now, pushing down his high approvals in states like Jersey and Massachusetts.

zufällig im Heurigen gewesen heute? ;)

You know/learned a lot of what?


Franzl asked if I was in a (wine) bar in the morning, but forgot to metion that Heurige only exist in Eastern Austria, not Salzburg ... :P

yeah well....I've not been to many other places but Vienna in Austria :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: jamestroll on April 22, 2009, 01:14:15 PM
I strongly approve of Obama.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 22, 2009, 01:40:26 PM
ARGHHH ! also has a new poll out:

Adults:

57% Approve
38% Disapprove

Registered Voters:

58% Approve
37% Disapprove

http://americanresearchgroup.com/economy


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on April 22, 2009, 01:54:48 PM
Quote
Adults:

57% Approve
38% Disapprove

Registered Voters:

58% Approve
37% Disapprove

lol


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 23, 2009, 10:52:01 AM
PPP National

Approve 53%
Disapprove 41%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_423.pdf

Geez an approval even lower than the Republican hack Rasmussen??????


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on April 23, 2009, 11:13:13 AM
PPP National

Approve 53%
Disapprove 41%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_423.pdf

Geez an approval even lower than the Republican hack Rasmussen??????

And Pew has him at 63-26 and AP/GfK at 64-30.
So apparently PPP is the odd one here.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 23, 2009, 11:18:15 AM
PPP National

Approve 53%
Disapprove 41%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_423.pdf

Geez an approval even lower than the Republican hack Rasmussen??????

And Pew has him at 63-26 and AP/GfK at 64-30.
So apparently PPP is the odd one here.

Weren't Democrats criticizing AP late in the 2008 presidential race when it showed Obama only up by 2 points?

Now they are great!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on April 23, 2009, 11:25:05 AM
PPP National

Approve 53%
Disapprove 41%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_423.pdf

Geez an approval even lower than the Republican hack Rasmussen??????

And Pew has him at 63-26 and AP/GfK at 64-30.
So apparently PPP is the odd one here.

Weren't Democrats criticizing AP late in the 2008 presidential race when it showed Obama only up by 2 points?

Now they are great!

Who are ''the Democrats''?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 23, 2009, 11:26:02 AM
PPP National

Approve 53%
Disapprove 41%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_423.pdf

Geez an approval even lower than the Republican hack Rasmussen??????

And Pew has him at 63-26 and AP/GfK at 64-30.
So apparently PPP is the odd one here.

Weren't Democrats criticizing AP late in the 2008 presidential race when it showed Obama only up by 2 points?

Now they are great!

Who are ''the Democrats''?


Obamabots.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on April 23, 2009, 11:31:56 AM
PPP National

Approve 53%
Disapprove 41%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_423.pdf

Geez an approval even lower than the Republican hack Rasmussen??????

And Pew has him at 63-26 and AP/GfK at 64-30.
So apparently PPP is the odd one here.

Weren't Democrats criticizing AP late in the 2008 presidential race when it showed Obama only up by 2 points?

Now they are great!

Who are ''the Democrats''?


Obamabots.

Go ask them.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on April 23, 2009, 01:43:47 PM

jamespol approval rating: OMG 100%!!!11


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 23, 2009, 03:08:28 PM
PPP National

Approve 53%
Disapprove 41%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_423.pdf

Geez an approval even lower than the Republican hack Rasmussen??????

And Pew has him at 63-26 and AP/GfK at 64-30.
So apparently PPP is the odd one here.

Weren't Democrats criticizing AP late in the 2008 presidential race when it showed Obama only up by 2 points?

A poll for an election is different to a poll for approval though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 23, 2009, 03:12:05 PM
PPP National

Approve 53%
Disapprove 41%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_423.pdf

Geez an approval even lower than the Republican hack Rasmussen??????

And Pew has him at 63-26 and AP/GfK at 64-30.
So apparently PPP is the odd one here.

Weren't Democrats criticizing AP late in the 2008 presidential race when it showed Obama only up by 2 points?

A poll for an election is different to a poll for approval though.

Translation: When it shows what I want it's a good pollster, when it doesn't, it's trash.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Duke on April 23, 2009, 09:06:27 PM
Isn;t the PPP poll registered voters?  Rassmusen is likely voters and they Obama in the 60s.  The Gallup and AP polls are all adults.

Isn't the unreported story on these approval ratings that Obama's numbers among people who are paying attention are mediocre and his numbers among people who get their news by reading the cover of Us Weekly in the supermarket checkout are high?

Shouldn't we start saying that PPP and Rasmussen are the canary in the coal mine?  That they are outliers because they measure a different, and more relevant, universe of people than the AP and Gallup polls?  And that their sample is telling us where things are headed?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on April 23, 2009, 09:22:24 PM
Isn;t the PPP poll registered voters?  Rassmusen is likely voters and they Obama in the 60s.  The Gallup and AP polls are all adults.

Isn't the unreported story on these approval ratings that Obama's numbers among people who are paying attention are mediocre and his numbers among people who get their news by reading the cover of Us Weekly in the supermarket checkout are high?

Shouldn't we start saying that PPP and Rasmussen are the canary in the coal mine?  That they are outliers because they measure a different, and more relevant, universe of people than the AP and Gallup polls?  And that their sample is telling us where things are headed?
If you go to Rasmussen though and read most of their polls it is the "political class" that approves of Obama's actions and policies. Their views also tend to be more liberal. If you are trying to put forth the idea that Democrats are idiots and Republicans are not doing it right.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on April 23, 2009, 10:11:32 PM
Isn;t the PPP poll registered voters?  Rassmusen is likely voters and they Obama in the 60s.  The Gallup and AP polls are all adults.

Isn't the unreported story on these approval ratings that Obama's numbers among people who are paying attention are mediocre and his numbers among people who get their news by reading the cover of Us Weekly in the supermarket checkout are high?

Shouldn't we start saying that PPP and Rasmussen are the canary in the coal mine?  That they are outliers because they measure a different, and more relevant, universe of people than the AP and Gallup polls?  And that their sample is telling us where things are headed?

Trying to poll "likely voters" in an off-year is just a bad idea.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smash255 on April 23, 2009, 10:16:33 PM
PPP National

Approve 53%
Disapprove 41%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_423.pdf

Geez an approval even lower than the Republican hack Rasmussen??????

And Pew has him at 63-26 and AP/GfK at 64-30.
So apparently PPP is the odd one here.

Weren't Democrats criticizing AP late in the 2008 presidential race when it showed Obama only up by 2 points?

A poll for an election is different to a poll for approval though.

Translation: When it shows what I want it's a good pollster, when it doesn't, it's trash.

Ehh its more along the lines of looking at the consensus.......   The AP poll from October was called out because it showed results far different from virtually every other pollster, which is the same reason why PPP is being called out now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 23, 2009, 11:45:54 PM
Isn't the PPP poll registered voters?  Rasmussen is likely voters and they Obama in the 60s.  The Gallup and AP polls are all adults.

Isn't the unreported story on these approval ratings that Obama's numbers among people who are paying attention are mediocre and his numbers among people who get their news by reading the cover of Us Weekly in the supermarket checkout are high?

Shouldn't we start saying that PPP and Rasmussen are the canary in the coal mine?  That they are outliers because they measure a different, and more relevant, universe of people than the AP and Gallup polls?  And that their sample is telling us where things are headed?

Of course it is 44 months until the next Presidential election. We don't know what sort of Presidency Obama will have.

The signs are far better than those for George W. Bush at the same stage of the Presidency, and Dubya won re-election... barely. I can see how Obama can lose in 2012 :

1. Sex scandal. For obvious reasons he has less leeway for sexual misdeeds than did Bill Clinton. The bromide that a politician can get away anything in bed other than a live boy or a dead woman doesn't apply to Obama; Obama can't get away with the exposure that a white female of any kind, no matter how willing she is, has shared a bed with him. Clinton got away with Monica Lewinsky; Obama could never. The best advice for Obama to remain President after 2012 is to stay with Michelle Obama. If anything happens to Michelle, then Obama had better not end up with any white, Asian, or non-black Hispanic woman; he isn't a popular musician, pro athlete, or professional athlete.

2. Economic calamity. Nobody expects any reprise of the real-estate boom of the Dubya era; such is clearly impossible. Real estate will be a very poor investment in the 2010s unless it is bought cheaply or built cheaply... and everyone knows that. Enough time remains for a boom that goes bust.

3. A persistent international calamity. A bolt from the blue (Pearl Harbor, Khobar Towers bombing, 9/11) doesn't cause so many problems for the President as does a war going badly (Korean War, Vietnam War 1966-1968, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in 2007-2008) or a bad situation with no obvious solution (Carter-era '444 Days' situation in Iran).

4. A bungled response to a natural disaster -- volcanic eruption, hurricane, earthquake, flood, or urban conflagration. Before 2005, such had never happened. After Hurricane Katrina, the President's Party had one political problem after another. To be sure, Dubya wasn't running for re-election, but the bad situation surely weakened the chances of some GOP Representatives and Senators to be re-elected in 2006 and 2008. In 2012 such bungling would endanger the chances of re-election of the President.

5. A mega-scandal involving abuse of power or economic corruption that Obama can't sweep under the rug.

If Obama avoids such snares, then he wins re-election. If he gets a steady economic recovery with "tax-and-spend" liberalism, then the only people who will reliably respond to condemnation of that method are the people who would never give a break to any Democratic nominee for President. The relevant and most recent parallel is Ronald Reagan, who ended the stagflation of the 1970s with economic decisions that the liberal playbook mentioned only with the words "Absolutely not!" Walter Mondale campaigned on opposition to the harsh effects of Reaganomics -- and won support almost entirely from core Democrats. That obviously wasn't enough for a Mondale victory.

A slow wind-down of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan won't be too little for Obama; fault will fall upon Dubya for the wars. Some negotiated settlement? That was Dwight Eisenhower. After eight years of you-know-who, an Eisenhower-like Presidency would look very good.

........

I look at the map of approval ratings, and I notice one huge trend: that the political polarization by region is far less than it was on Election Day. That itself is good for America. The approval map does not show that Obama is going to win Utah, Alabama, or Kentucky in 2012; in fact it doesn't even show that Obama will win Michigan or Pennsylvania. It shows, apparently, that potential voters do not yet reject Obama in overwhelming numbers anywhere -- yet. Americans in all regions -- even in some States that voted against him by 20% or greater margins -- give him a chance.  

Obama has ways in which he can lose his re-election bid in 2012, and many in which to win.       

    


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 23, 2009, 11:54:42 PM
Isn;t the PPP poll registered voters?  Rassmusen is likely voters and they Obama in the 60s.  The Gallup and AP polls are all adults.

Isn't the unreported story on these approval ratings that Obama's numbers among people who are paying attention are mediocre and his numbers among people who get their news by reading the cover of Us Weekly in the supermarket checkout are high?

Shouldn't we start saying that PPP and Rasmussen are the canary in the coal mine?  That they are outliers because they measure a different, and more relevant, universe of people than the AP and Gallup polls?  And that their sample is telling us where things are headed?

Trying to poll "likely voters" in an off-year is just a bad idea.

Indeed -- especially when some of the voters in the 2012 election aren't yet 15 years old, when Obama has yet to state that he will run for re-election, and nobody knows who the GOP nominee will be.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 24, 2009, 12:12:51 AM
PPP National

Approve 53%
Disapprove 41%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_423.pdf

Geez an approval even lower than the Republican hack Rasmussen??????

And Pew has him at 63-26 and AP/GfK at 64-30.
So apparently PPP is the odd one here.

Also, the new Harris Interactive Online poll (April 13-21, 2401 adults):

58% Excellent/Good
42% Fair/Poor

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/pubs/Harris_Poll_2009_04_23.pdf

Texas (DailyKos/R2000, April

45% Favorable
53% Unfavorable

The Research 2000 Texas Poll was conducted from April 20 through April 22, 2009. A total of 600 likely voters who vote regularly in state elections were interviewed statewide by telephone.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/4/22/TX/288


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 24, 2009, 12:45:11 PM
Daily Kos/Research 2000.
April 20-23, 2009
2400 Adults
Fav/Unfav

68%(-1)/26%(-1)

http://dailykos.com/weeklypoll/2009/4/23 (http://dailykos.com/weeklypoll/2009/4/23)



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lunar on April 24, 2009, 03:26:11 PM
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hmmm


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on April 24, 2009, 05:09:48 PM
All State/National Journal

http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/nj_20090423_4001.php

Presidential approval

Approve 61.1% (strongly 38%; somewhat 23.1%)
Disapprove 27.6% (somewhat 7.6%; strongly 20%)

Right Direction/Wrong Track (Country)

Right Direction 47.2%
Wrong Track 41.5%

Right Direction/Wrong Track (Economy)

Right Direction 30.3%
Wrong Track 54.6%

Obama and the Swells by Ronald Brownstein

Polls show President Obama gaining support from both affluent and blue-collar voters.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/nj_20090425_7496.php

Dave


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 24, 2009, 05:15:50 PM
Gallup the outlier? Everything is trending down except them.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on April 24, 2009, 05:30:08 PM
Gallup the outlier? Everything is trending down except them.

Not quite. Both Pew and Fox News have trended up :) compared with their immediately previous polls

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html#polls

Pew: Approve 63% (+2) / Disapprove 26% (nc)

Fox News: Approve 62% (+4) / Disapprove 29% (-3)

Dave


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on April 24, 2009, 06:04:57 PM
Gallup the outlier? Everything is trending down except them.

An outlier in that it's going up and two other polls are going down?  That does not meet any statistical definition of "outlier" I know of.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Duke on April 24, 2009, 06:29:05 PM
2. Economic calamity. Nobody expects any reprise of the real-estate boom of the Dubya era; such is clearly impossible. Real estate will be a very poor investment in the 2010s unless it is bought cheaply or built cheaply... and everyone knows that. Enough time remains for a boom that goes bust.

Except that no one who knows anything thinks the real estte bubble is over.  Seen commercial real estate values?  As we say in California, aftershock.

A calamity is not required, just sustained misery.  I fully expect sustained misery (in fact I expect the next President to preside over sustained misery).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lunar on April 24, 2009, 09:17:28 PM
Gallup the outlier? Everything is trending down except them.

how the hell do you get that from the image I posted which you are responding to?  Did you turn your laptop upsidedown and are confused?

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 24, 2009, 11:07:21 PM
Rasmussen and "National Non-Daily Polls" are going down, no? Obviously the All polls trend estimate is being affected by the Gallup. Isn't "National Non-Daily Polls" everything except Gallup and Rasmussen? And is that not going down?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 25, 2009, 12:06:51 AM
Michigan (Rasmussen, April 14, 500 Likely Voters):

64% Approve
35% Disapprove

(Jennifer Granholm):

48% Approve
52% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/michigan/michigan_voters_say_auto_bailouts_good_bank_bailouts_bad


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 25, 2009, 12:18:29 AM
Elon Carolinas Poll (April 19-23):

WARNING: SMALL SAMPLE SIZE !!!

North Carolina (356 adults):

56% Approve
33% Disapprove

South Carolina (305 adults):

47% Approve
43% Disapprove

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/politics/2009/04/24/5018065/ElonPollData_042409.swf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on April 25, 2009, 01:12:05 AM
Michigan (Rasmussen, April 14, 500 Likely Voters):

64% Approve
35% Disapprove

(Jennifer Granholm):

48% Approve
52% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/michigan/michigan_voters_say_auto_bailouts_good_bank_bailouts_bad

Isn't that high for Granholm?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on April 25, 2009, 01:19:24 AM
I was thinking that too, her approvals must have shot up or this is definitely an outlier. I haven't seen Granholm's approvals in the high 40's in a long time.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 25, 2009, 01:30:47 AM
I was thinking that too, her approvals must have shot up or this is definitely an outlier. I haven't seen Granholm's approvals in the high 40's in a long time.

No, Michigan = part of

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on April 25, 2009, 01:38:15 AM
I was thinking that too, her approvals must have shot up or this is definitely an outlier. I haven't seen Granholm's approvals in the high 40's in a long time.

No, Michigan = part of

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That's badass. We should change our flag to that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 25, 2009, 03:46:01 AM
Latest update:

(
)...

The biggest state in electoral votes not yet shown is Indiana (11).  Next is Maryland (10), which I suspect will show up in a very dark shade of green. Louisiana (9) should be interesting.

If Obama is picking up support from blue-collar workers and people with low incomes, then he is likely cutting into the two traditionally-Democratic constituencies in which the GOP has made inroads -- most significantly, poor whites. Contrary to a common American myth, most poor people are white. Obama did very well among poor non-whites -- blacks, Latinos, and First People. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 25, 2009, 12:08:10 PM
Both Rasmussen and Gallup show Obama's numbers improving again:

Gallup: 66-27 (+1, -1)
Rasmussen: 56-43 (+1, -1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 25, 2009, 12:39:43 PM
Both Rasmussen and Gallup show Obama's numbers improving again:

Gallup: 66-27 (+1, -1)
Rasmussen: 56-43 (+1, -1)

The the first piece of real movement in ages on Rassmussen...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 25, 2009, 12:45:59 PM
Gallup is insane. They were awful in the 2008 election.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on April 25, 2009, 12:57:07 PM
Polls are meanless, why are you guys making them out to be bigger then they are?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 25, 2009, 02:27:51 PM
Gallup is insane. They were awful in the 2008 election.

True, they had 2 or 3 different daily trackers didn't they, and the USA Today/Gallup polls and they still didn't get it right.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on April 25, 2009, 07:07:44 PM
Polls are meanless, why are you guys making them out to be bigger then they are?

Because we're geeks and we can't help ourselves. :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lunar on April 25, 2009, 08:00:54 PM
Have you never seen Obama shortless?

enough said


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on April 25, 2009, 08:02:51 PM
Avalanche of polls: http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/33317/obama_maintains_good_rating_in_us/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 26, 2009, 12:21:41 AM
Washington Post/ABC News Poll (April 21-24):

69% Approve
26% Disapprove

72% Favorable
26% Unfavorable

Please tell me whether the following statement applies to Obama, or not?

He understands the problems of people like you: 73-25
He is a strong leader: 77-22
He can be trusted in a crisis: 73-21
He is willing to listen to different points of view: 90-10
He is honest and trustworthy: 74-22
He shares your values: 60-38
He has brought needed change to Washington: 63-34
He is a good commander-in-chief of the military: 56-34

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_042609.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 26, 2009, 12:30:44 AM
21% Republicans? Why do they even make polls like this? I am supposed to believe that in less than a month since their last poll, 4 percent of Americans have gone from being Republicans to Independent? There's no other reason for these polls except to shape public opinion. It really is disingenuous.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 26, 2009, 12:39:36 AM
In the seperate ABC News release it is mentioned that 93% of Democrats approve, as do 67% of Independents and 36% of Republicans.

Even adjusted for the 2008 Exit Poll (39D, 32R, 29I) Obama's approval is at 67% with these numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 26, 2009, 12:42:38 AM
That 36% is crock sh**t and you know it. That 67% number is horse sh**t as well.

Even Kos has Obama at 23% favorable among Republicans so there's no way in Hell that he is at 36% approval. Who the  did they poll, the Specter family?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 26, 2009, 12:46:42 AM
That 36% is crock sh**t and you know it. That 67% number is horse sh**t as well.

Only Rasmussen shows Obama tied among Independents. All other polls show him up by 2:1 among Independents. There is no f*****g way Obama is tied with Independents right now. Same with Republicans. Only Rasmussen and PPP (?!) have him at about 20% or lower.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on April 26, 2009, 01:03:40 AM
He is willing to listen to different points of view: 90-10

It's amazing how few people in this country are complete hacks.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on April 26, 2009, 04:18:17 AM
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 26, 2009, 10:01:50 AM
That 36% is crock sh**t and you know it. That 67% number is horse sh**t as well.

Only Rasmussen shows Obama tied among Independents. All other polls show him up by 2:1 among Independents. There is no f*****g way Obama is tied with Independents right now. Same with Republicans. Only Rasmussen and PPP (?!) have him at about 20% or lower.

Okay, let's see how accurate that is:

Independents
Fox News(4/22)- 57%
Pew(4/14-4/21)-58%
Harris(4/23)- 58%
ARG(4/23)-53%
PPP(4/19)-54%
Rasmussen(4/26)-50%
Marist(4/1)-53%
Cook/RT(4/8-4/11)-55%
CBS(4/1-4/5)-63%

Republicans
Fox News(4/22)-24%
Pew(4/14-4/21)-30%
Harris(4/23)-22%
ARG(4/21)- 17%
PPP(4/19)-18%
Cook/RT(4/8-4/11)-30%
Pew(4/14-4/21)-29%
CBS(4/1-4/5)-31%
Marist(4/1)-25%
Quinnipiac(3/24-3/30)-25%

Okay, so here's what I notice from this list. Only one other polling firm even has him above 60%(just barely) among Independents. This means that the WAPO poll is clearly out on it's own in this regard. Yeah, some(not even close to all) of them are near 2-1 but they aren't anywhere close to 67% which is just absurd. I even doubt the WAPO poll is 2-1 among Independents, more likely 2.5-1 or 3-1. Then, we go to the Republicans. This again is the highest number found. If you take an average of the other polls that I have listed, you get an average approval among Republicans of 25.1%, a far cry from the 36%. Heck, even the Pollster.com trend line average is 23.8%. To say this poll is not way out of the mainstream is just wrong.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 26, 2009, 11:50:53 PM
Minnesota (Star Tribune/Princeton Research, April 20-23):

62% Approve
25% Disapprove

http://www.startribune.com/newsgraphics/43744872.html?elr=KArksCCCWiaEyayP4O:DW3ckUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiacyKUUr


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 27, 2009, 08:48:00 AM
Minnesota (Star Tribune/Princeton Research, April 20-23):

62% Approve
25% Disapprove

http://www.startribune.com/newsgraphics/43744872.html?elr=KArksCCCWiaEyayP4O:DW3ckUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiacyKUUr

That's impossible. He's at 69% nationally and he won the state big. Junk poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Stranger in a strange land on April 27, 2009, 09:34:02 AM
Minnesota (Star Tribune/Princeton Research, April 20-23):

62% Approve
25% Disapprove

http://www.startribune.com/newsgraphics/43744872.html?elr=KArksCCCWiaEyayP4O:DW3ckUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiacyKUUr

That's impossible. He's at 69% nationally and he won the state big. Junk poll.

There's a difference between approval rating (% that think he's doing a good job) and favorability rating (% who think he's a good guy). The latter is usually higher than the former.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 27, 2009, 10:30:18 AM
Minnesota (Star Tribune/Princeton Research, April 20-23):

62% Approve
25% Disapprove

http://www.startribune.com/newsgraphics/43744872.html?elr=KArksCCCWiaEyayP4O:DW3ckUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiacyKUUr

That's impossible. He's at 69% nationally and he won the state big. Junk poll.

There's a difference between approval rating (% that think he's doing a good job) and favorability rating (% who think he's a good guy). The latter is usually higher than the former.

I guess you missed the fact that I was mocking the Washington Post poll mentioned above.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 27, 2009, 11:15:20 AM
Marist

Approve 55%(-1)
Disapprove 31%(+1)

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/427-majority-approves-of-obamas-job-performance/



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dan the Roman on April 27, 2009, 12:00:03 PM
A lot of these polls are defining in independents differently. Rasmussen asks people to self-identify, CBS may well be weighting by registration. I would tend to to believe that given that CBS tends to suck as a pollster.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 27, 2009, 01:45:48 PM
Florida-Rasmussen

Approve 53%
Disapprove 47%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/florida/toplines/toplines_florida_april_23_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 27, 2009, 01:52:51 PM
Oh noooeees, Obama is at 63% among a GOP Likely Voter Poll !!!:

Public Opinion Strategies (R) (800 LV, April 19-21):

63% Approve
32% Disapprove

Party Composition:

37% DEM
30% GOP
32% IND

Looking forward to Rowan's spin ...

http://blog.pos.org/2009/04/819/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 27, 2009, 02:01:28 PM
I would like to know what his approval is for each D, R, and I but they don't list it. Nonetheless, it doesn't look like a bad poll.

And I see you ignored the fact that I shot down your argument that the Washington Post poll was not out on its own.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 27, 2009, 02:27:06 PM
And I see you ignored the fact that I shot down your argument that the Washington Post poll was not out on its own.

Democrats are fine at 93%, Independents are fine at 67% with few Undecideds, Republicans could be off by about 5-10%. If this poll stands out for high Republican support, Rasmussen stands out for his crappy insisting that Indies split 50-50 atm.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 27, 2009, 02:31:32 PM
New Hampshire (503 adults, University of NH, April 13-22):

63% Approve (D-97, I-62, R-36)
29% Disapprove (D-1, I-28, R-54)

64% Favorable (D-96, I-66, R-34)
27% Unfavorable (D-2, I-26, R-52)

http://www.unh.edu/survey-center/news/pdf/gsp2009_spring_presapp42709.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 27, 2009, 02:32:27 PM
And I see you ignored the fact that I shot down your argument that the Washington Post poll was not out on its own.

Democrats are fine at 93%, Independents are fine at 67% with few Undecideds, Republicans could be off by about 5-10%. If this poll stands out for high Republican support, Rasmussen stands out for his crappy insisting that Indies split 50-50 atm.

Independents are fine at 67%? No one else even has it that close. I would really like to see how many of these Independents disapprove in that poll, but of course they don't show that. How do you know if there are few undecideds?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on April 27, 2009, 02:44:08 PM
OBAMA IS POPULAR???!!!???

ROWAN MAD!!!11 RAAA!!!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 27, 2009, 04:41:40 PM
Georgia- Rasmussen

Approve 54%
Disapprove 46%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/georgia/toplines_election_2010_georgia_april_23_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on April 27, 2009, 04:48:33 PM
Georgia- Rasmussen

Approve 54%
Disapprove 46%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/georgia/toplines_election_2010_georgia_april_23_2009

So, Obama is more popular in Georgia than in Florida.

Oooookay!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on April 27, 2009, 05:39:58 PM
Georgia- Rasmussen

Approve 54%
Disapprove 46%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/georgia/toplines_election_2010_georgia_april_23_2009

So, Obama is more popular in Georgia than in Florida.

Oooookay!

I must say that those are some... interesting... results.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Holmes on April 27, 2009, 06:31:51 PM
New Hampshire (503 adults, University of NH, April 13-22):

63% Approve (D-97, I-62, R-36)
29% Disapprove (D-1, I-28, R-54)

64% Favorable (D-96, I-66, R-34)
27% Unfavorable (D-2, I-26, R-52)

http://www.unh.edu/survey-center/news/pdf/gsp2009_spring_presapp42709.pdf

Ooh. Lately I've been having a high affinity for New Hampshire, so thanks for an approval ratings fix. :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on April 27, 2009, 06:34:11 PM
I'll stop treating Rasmussen like a joke when he stops pretending what he knows likely voters are over a year before any election (and over three before the Presidential) and when he stops claiming that 100% of voters have an opinion of Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on April 27, 2009, 06:46:42 PM
Georgia- Rasmussen

Approve 54%
Disapprove 46%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/georgia/toplines_election_2010_georgia_april_23_2009

So, Obama is more popular in Georgia than in Florida.

Oooookay!

I must say that those are some... interesting... results.

Using Rasmussen's Presidential Approval Index (strongly approve - strongly disapprove), it's +7 in Georgia and +1 in Florida

Dave


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 27, 2009, 06:55:02 PM
Georgia- Rasmussen

Approve 54%
Disapprove 46%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/georgia/toplines_election_2010_georgia_april_23_2009

So, Obama is more popular in Georgia than in Florida.

Oooookay!

I must say that those are some... interesting... results.

Using Rasmussen's Presidential Approval Index (strongly approve - strongly disapprove), it's +7 in Georgia and +1 in Florida

Dave

It's probably because black Democrats in Georgia(a high percentage of the total electorate) are more likely to strongly approve of Obama than white Democrats in Florida are.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on April 27, 2009, 11:55:25 PM
The WP poll's internals just look wacky.  Partisan polls - well, you know...

I continue to be concerned about the wide divergences between IVR polls and live questioner polls.

However, I want to see what SUSA provides this month before saying too much more.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 28, 2009, 12:04:02 AM
CBS News/NYT Poll (April 22-26):

68% Approve (D-91, I-65, R-31)
23% Disapprove (D-3, I-24, R-57)

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_042709_100days.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 28, 2009, 12:10:30 AM
CNN/Opinion Research:

63% Approve
33% Disapprove

Democrats overwhelmingly approve of how Obama is handling his job as president; 61 percent of independents agree. Only 28 percent of Republicans say the president is doing a good job in office.

The CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll was conducted Thursday through Sunday, with 2,019 adult Americans questioned by telephone. The survey's sampling error is plus or minus 2 percentage points.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/27/poll.obama.policies/index.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lunar on April 28, 2009, 01:26:51 AM
NBC/WSJ is coming out tomorrow, yays


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on April 28, 2009, 01:37:06 AM
CBS News/NYT Poll (April 22-26):

68% Approve (D-91, I-65, R-31)
23% Disapprove (D-3, I-24, R-57)

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_042709_100days.pdf

CNN/Opinion Research:

63% Approve
33% Disapprove

Democrats overwhelmingly approve of how Obama is handling his job as president; 61 percent of independents agree. Only 28 percent of Republicans say the president is doing a good job in office.

The CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll was conducted Thursday through Sunday, with 2,019 adult Americans questioned by telephone. The survey's sampling error is plus or minus 2 percentage points.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/27/poll.obama.policies/index.html

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 28, 2009, 10:18:01 AM
Illinois- PPP

Approve 61%
Disapprove 31%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_IL_428.pdf

I think it's becoming pretty clear that the IVR pollsters are getting lower approval ratings.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 28, 2009, 10:36:04 AM
Latest update:

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The biggest state in electoral votes not yet shown is Indiana (11).  Next is Maryland (10), which I suspect will show up in a very dark shade of green. Louisiana (9) should be interesting.

... It is surprising that Obama has positive ratings in several states that he lost in 2008. If he is roughly as well-regarded in Kansas (which he lost big) as he is in Pennsylvania (which he won big), then he is doing better at creating popularity than he did at election time.

Possible explanations:

1. Obama has maxed out his support in the "Blue firewall". There's just no way for him to get greater support in New York or California.

2. Obama is picking up support from constituencies who didn't vote for him in 2008: farmers? Poor white people?

I look at South Dakota and Kansas, two of the most rural states in America... and perhaps some people who didn't vote for him now think that he isn't "all that bad". I look at such states as Arkansas and Kentucky and figure that people who couldn't vote for him because he was "too urban", "too Northern", or "too liberal" in 2008... find his policies tolerable. Maybe fewer people in those states get FoX Propaganda Channel.  

3. Obama may be succeeding at reducing the political polarization in America. Does anyone see any Rove-like "majority of a majority" stuff under Obama? He has already set his style of leadership, and people may be seeing it as more effective than what they have seen recently.

4. Obama still has much good will on the economy. He's not  getting blame for the economic distress that Americans now endure -- yet. He could get blame for new economic distress should it occur, but that distress (like a second crash) has yet to happen.

5. Should the pattern hold, the GOP is in deep trouble in 2012. It might whittle away a couple of House seats of marginally-incompetent Democrats or those in districts decidedly more conservative than the average in 2010, but in 2012... the GOP has few areas that it can now rely upon for votes. Huckabee might win a bunch of states now in pale green in the southeastern US only to lose in the Upper Plains while whittling away nothing from the Blue Firewall. Palin and Romney look as if they would have trouble in the South because they have no obvious ties to it -- and neither can whittle away at the Blue Firewall. Who runs shapes how elections... but if I were predicting the 2012 Presidential election, I could only predict (assuming no real change, itself asking much) that the only significant difference between possible GOP nominees is how they lose.  

6. Obama is a masterful politician, and that shows in approval polls. The approval ratings don't show his techniques so much as they show the geographical basis of his approval.


 


  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on April 28, 2009, 10:54:41 AM

Have you ever written a post that isn't aggressive or sarcastic in tone?

Yes, to legitimate posters. I really don't waste my time with left wing hacks and religious bigots like you.

As often as I get upset with some of your comments....that was perfectly legitimate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on April 28, 2009, 10:56:29 AM
And you consider religious bigotry worse than racist bigotry?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on April 28, 2009, 10:56:43 AM
Illinois- PPP

Approve 61%
Disapprove 31%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_IL_428.pdf

I think it's becoming pretty clear that the IVR pollsters are getting lower approval ratings.

That number extrapolates pretty well into a 53-41 national number, all told.

I did my re-check of the SUSA numbers extrapolated from the 14 states polled in March (500 adults) and came up with 59% approval.  Given the way adults skews from RV (or LV), that puts it in the Rasmussen/PPP category of mid-50s approval.  I am curious to see April.

The only other poll out there which gives us an approval in the mid-50s range is Marist and I have no clue why that would be different than the others.  They're not using computer technology, as far as I know.  

They are using RV.  And the other polls using RV with live questioners tend to show lower approval (around 60%) than the adult polls (mid-60%) on average.

But this IVR vs. live questioner skew is troubling me greatly, especially if it continues.  Makes me suspect that lying is going on.  It can't be laid on survey methodology, since Rasmussen has the tightest voter screen (which should skew his polls more Republican) and PPP tends to uses weights which skew Democratic.

Just some food for thought.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on April 28, 2009, 10:57:30 AM
And you consider religious bigotry worse than racist bigotry?

I oppose both.


Have you ever written a post that isn't aggressive or sarcastic in tone?

Yes, to legitimate posters. I really don't waste my time with left wing hacks and religious bigots like you.

As often as I get upset with some of your comments....that was perfectly legitimate.

Just a pad in the echo chamber.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on April 28, 2009, 11:01:57 AM
Intelligent people find it very hard not to look down on overly religious types, and I have said nothing about Christians that isn't true.

You are nothing more than a pathetic, venomous slime that constantly tries to draw attention and start fires with outrageous comments.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 28, 2009, 11:02:39 AM
Maybe the "bradley effect" is finally showing up, this time on approval ratings.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on April 28, 2009, 11:03:16 AM
Shadow, you're so cute. I love you man.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on April 28, 2009, 11:16:12 AM
Maybe the "bradley effect" is finally showing up, this time on approval ratings.

I know I'm going to be crucified for this, but JJ is right in a certain sense, I'm almost sure of it.  Among the undecideds who didn't lean (in other words - the "pure"guys), it looked pretty apparent to me that they all went towards McCain (probably worth about 2% or so).  That, however, was counterbalanced by almost all polls underestimating black turnout (an extra 1%-2%, I'm pretty sure as to this exact number), along with some other really minor factors.

But that's not really a "Bradley effect" - that's more of an "undecideds" effect.

If the divergences in the polling are because people are lying, a conclusion which I'm not coming to yet, but is in my mind, the IVR vs. live questioner divergence is a big point in its favor. (remember most polls use college kids/minorities (usually black people) to conduct their polling)

Remember also, there was always the theory out there that the "Bradley" effect was more of a "media" effect - in that people were less likely to say they didn't like someone because of their race when positive media attention was showered endlessly on him.

Of course, one could argue that happened during the campaign and nothing happened.  But this might be different.

Anyway, more food for thought.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 28, 2009, 12:45:05 PM
SurveyUSA April Polls:

Alabama:

48% Approve (+1)
49% Disapprove (+2)

California:

69% Approve (+2)
27% Disapprove (-1)

Iowa:

59% Approve (+2)
35% Disapprove (-5)

Kansas:

44% Approve (-11)
50% Disapprove (+10)

Kentucky:

52% Approve (-4)
41% Disapprove (+3)

Minnesota:

63% Approve (+2)
33% Disapprove (+1)

Missouri:

57% Approve (nc)
40% Disapprove (+1)

New Mexico:

63% Approve (+2)
32% Disapprove (-3)

New York:

73% Approve (+1)
24% Disapprove (+1)

Oregon:

58% Approve (-4)
37% Disapprove (+6)

Virginia:

57% Approve (+2)
39% Disapprove (+4)

Washington:

64% Approve (+2)
30% Disapprove (-4)

Wisconsin:

56% Approve (+3)
42% Disapprove (nc)

No data for Massachusetts so far.

KS = Outlier ? Or just returning to its conservative roots ?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RI on April 28, 2009, 12:47:03 PM
Other than the OR/WA disparity, those look rather realistic for a popular Democratic president.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 28, 2009, 12:54:23 PM

Latest update (after some SurveyUSA polls):

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... Survey USA is a GOP-leaning poll. It might still be accurate.

Indiana, anyone? Louisiana? Montana?






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 28, 2009, 12:56:35 PM
... Survey USA is a GOP-leaning poll.

How so ?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on April 28, 2009, 01:03:25 PM

didn't you know, everything besides NY Times and CNN is a GOP leaning poll?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on April 28, 2009, 01:28:56 PM
So what did he do to piss Kansas off so royally? lol.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 28, 2009, 01:31:38 PM
Kentucky surprises me for some reason.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on April 28, 2009, 02:06:36 PM
Still translates into a 59% approval among adults nationally, folks.  No change.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 28, 2009, 02:08:31 PM
Those look like reasonable polls. He is a few points higher in the states than the percentage he won in the election, which is what should be expected.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: marvelrobbins on April 28, 2009, 02:40:23 PM
SurveyUSA April Polls:

Alabama:

48% Approve (+1)
49% Disapprove (+2)

California:

69% Approve (+2)
27% Disapprove (-1)

Iowa:

59% Approve (+2)
35% Disapprove (-5)

Kansas:

44% Approve (-11)
50% Disapprove (+10)

Kentucky:

52% Approve (-4)
41% Disapprove (+3)

Minnesota:

63% Approve (+2)
33% Disapprove (+1)

Missouri:

57% Approve (nc)
40% Disapprove (+1)

New Mexico:

63% Approve (+2)
32% Disapprove (-3)

New York:

73% Approve (+1)
24% Disapprove (+1)

Oregon:

58% Approve (-4)
37% Disapprove (+6)

Virginia:

57% Approve (+2)
39% Disapprove (+4)

Washington:

64% Approve (+2)
30% Disapprove (-4)

Wisconsin:

56% Approve (+3)
42% Disapprove (nc)

No data for Massachusetts so far.

KS = Outlier ? Or just returning to its conservative roots ?

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Missouri Is the Mccain state most likely to flip In 2012.I am surprised by Kentuckey.Perhapes
White Democrats are coming around.Remember Bill Clinton won It In both 92 and 96.I would be very Intrested In poll out of West Virginia.I am also surprised by him only slightly more disapproved In Alamaba than Approve.I thought It would be higher disapproval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on April 28, 2009, 02:43:41 PM
Obama Is doing well In the states he won.Here In Missouri people are seeing he Is not the carticure Palin and others were saying.Remember Mccain only won by 4 thousand votes.
Missouri Is the Mccain state most likely to flip In 2012.I am surprised by Kentuckey.Perhapes
White Democrats are coming around.Remember Bill Clinton won It In both 92 and 96.I would be very Intrested In poll out of West Virginia.I am also surprised by him only slightly more disapproved In Alamaba than Approve.I thought It would be higher disapproval.

kinda reminds me of someone...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: jamestroll on April 28, 2009, 02:51:42 PM
Obama Is doing well In the states he won.Here In Missouri people are seeing he Is not the carticure Palin and others were saying.Remember Mccain only won by 4 thousand votes.
Missouri Is the Mccain state most likely to flip In 2012.I am surprised by Kentuckey.Perhapes
White Democrats are coming around.Remember Bill Clinton won It In both 92 and 96.I would be very Intrested In poll out of West Virginia.I am also surprised by him only slightly more disapproved In Alamaba than Approve.I thought It would be higher disapproval.

kinda reminds me of someone...

Yeah, I understand. However, this person is not me. IP Checks work wonders.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on April 28, 2009, 03:34:10 PM
Quote
Kansas:

44% Approve (-11)
50% Disapprove (+10)
:)
I think this will close any assumptions that Kansas could vote for Obama under a good term.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 28, 2009, 03:39:48 PM
Quote
Kansas:

44% Approve (-11)
50% Disapprove (+10)
:)
I think this will close any assumptions that Kansas could vote for Obama under a good term.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on April 28, 2009, 03:44:12 PM
Quote
Kansas:

44% Approve (-11)
50% Disapprove (+10)
:)
I think this will close any assumptions that Kansas could vote for Obama under a good term.


A 21-point swing not exhibited in any other states looks a heck of a lot like an anomaly to me, either in the first poll, the second or both.  Either way, I doubt Obama was +14 in KS last time and -6 now.  I don't think we can learn much from the polls together.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on April 28, 2009, 03:49:42 PM
SOMEONE PLEASE POLL INDIANA.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 28, 2009, 03:52:11 PM
SOMEONE PLEASE POLL INDIANA AND MONTANA.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on April 28, 2009, 04:00:24 PM

Totally.
If I had to guess it, it would be about
Approve: 54%
Disapprove:40%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Holmes on April 28, 2009, 04:06:01 PM
SOMEONE PLEASE POLL INDIANA AND MONTANA.
Are you kidding?

No one would poll the more interesting ones. :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 28, 2009, 04:09:21 PM
SOMEONE PLEASE POLL INDIANA AND MONTANA.
Are you kidding?

No one would poll the more interesting ones. :P

You mean to say New York and California polls don't interest you? Didn't you know that they're gonna be toss-ups in 2012...? Duh...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: justfollowingtheelections on April 28, 2009, 05:00:47 PM
I'm more interested in states such as Idaho, Wyoming or Nebraska than Indiana to be honest.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on April 28, 2009, 05:10:30 PM
I'm more interested in states such as Idaho, Wyoming or Nebraska than Indiana to be honest.
Are you being sarcastic?
Because I would love to see polling there. I mean, is there any chance Obama could win there in 4 years?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: justfollowingtheelections on April 28, 2009, 05:13:37 PM
I'm more interested in states such as Idaho, Wyoming or Nebraska than Indiana to be honest.
Are you being sarcastic?
Because I would love to see polling there. I mean, is there any chance Obama could win there in 4 years?

Why would I be sarcastic?
I'm just curious of whether some of these sparsely populated Western states approve of Obama or not.  I just happen to have an interest in why many of these western states are so republican and whether it's for the same reason the South is.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on April 28, 2009, 05:13:45 PM
I'm more interested in states such as Idaho, Wyoming or Nebraska than Indiana to be honest.
Are you being sarcastic?
Because I would love to see polling there. I mean, is there any chance Obama could win there in 4 years?

Polling by congressional district in Nebraska would be kind of cool, but yeah, do we really need Wyoming polls?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: justfollowingtheelections on April 28, 2009, 05:25:28 PM
I'm more interested in states such as Idaho, Wyoming or Nebraska than Indiana to be honest.
Are you being sarcastic?
Because I would love to see polling there. I mean, is there any chance Obama could win there in 4 years?

Polling by congressional district in Nebraska would be kind of cool, but yeah, do we really need Wyoming polls?

Why wouldn't we?  Wyoming is the state where the margin between McCain and Obama voters was the greatest.  Wouldn't you be interested in seeing whether they have a different opinion of Obama now that he is actually the president?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on April 28, 2009, 05:28:34 PM

pbrower, this site usually uses red for disapproval/no votes, just fyi.

Also SUSA continues to be weird and show gigantic swings and discrepancies between states that should be similar.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 28, 2009, 05:41:55 PM
WSJ/NBC

Approve 61%
Disapprove 30%

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/WSJ_NewsPoll_042809.pdf



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on April 28, 2009, 06:07:58 PM
I mostly want to post this SUSA ad graphic because I find it amusing

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on April 28, 2009, 06:35:09 PM
Looks like a church flier.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Holmes on April 28, 2009, 06:44:01 PM
WSJ/NBC

Approve 61%
Disapprove 30%

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/WSJ_NewsPoll_042809.pdf

Is this honestly what Lunar was waiting for?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 29, 2009, 12:43:02 AM
Wisconsin (St. Norbert College, April 1-9, 400 adults):

How satisfied are you with the way President Obama is doing his job overall? Would you say
you are very satisfied, somewhat satisfied, somewhat dissatisfied, or very dissatisfied?

60% Very/Somewhat Satisfied
35% Very/Somewhat Dissatisfied

http://www.snc.edu/surveycenter/docs/2009/national.pdf


Arizona (AZ State University):

53% Approve
36% Disapprove

Support for Obama divides strongly along partisan lines. While 87 percent of Democrats and 68 percent of independents polled gave the president positive ratings, only 32 percent of Republicans said he is doing a good job.

The poll, conducted April 23-26, sampled 390 registered voters, in a split of 40 percent Republican, 34 percent Democrat and 26 percent Independent. The results have a 5 percent margin of error.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/138529


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 29, 2009, 12:47:10 AM
Utah (Dan Jones/KSL-TV/Deseret News):

53% Approve
43% Disapprove

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=6306801


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lunar on April 29, 2009, 01:14:38 AM
WSJ/NBC

Approve 61%
Disapprove 30%

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/WSJ_NewsPoll_042809.pdf

Is this honestly what Lunar was waiting for?

my professor runs that poll and I got a 26 page update of it that I have to read for class tomorrow ... and my question that I had proposed didn't get into the poll as I had a remote hope for.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on April 29, 2009, 02:26:09 AM
WSJ/NBC

Approve 61%
Disapprove 30%

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/WSJ_NewsPoll_042809.pdf

Is this honestly what Lunar was waiting for?

my professor runs that poll and I got a 26 page update of it that I have to read for class tomorrow ... and my question that I had proposed didn't get into the poll as I had a remote hope for.

What was your question?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 29, 2009, 02:48:28 AM

Electoralvote.com recognized it (with PPP  on the other side) as a partisan poll.

That said, the 2012 election is far enough away that people can be objective even if they have their biases. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on April 29, 2009, 02:54:09 AM
Electoralvote.com recognized it (with PPP  on the other side) as a partisan poll.

Weird, on what basis?  They poll mostly for media outlets, and may do polling for the Republicans, but hell Rasmussen did it for the Libertarians.  They've certainly never exhibited any profound GOP bias, so I wouldn't really see it as especially relevant either way.  We have enough of a record to know of one if it were to exist.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 29, 2009, 03:16:25 AM

Obama Is doing well In the states he won.Here In Missouri people are seeing he Is not the carticure Palin and others were saying.Remember Mccain only won by 4 thousand votes.
Missouri Is the Mccain state most likely to flip In 2012.I am surprised by Kentuckey.Perhapes
White Democrats are coming around.Remember Bill Clinton won It In both 92 and 96.I would be very Intrested In poll out of West Virginia.I am also surprised by him only slightly more disapproved In Alamaba than Approve.I thought It would be higher disapproval.

I disagree with you on Missouri only with one qualification: Arizona seems more likely to flip. Although John McCain carried his home state by 8%, that is decidedly less than the usual effect (about 10-15%) of the Favorite Son effect.  To be sure, Obama did almost as well in 2008 in Massachusetts as did Kerry in 2004 -- Massachusetts wasn't going to vote for any Republican for President in either year, and probably won't for the next twenty. Obama did "only" a little better (7%)  in Illinois than did Kerry in 2004 -- but then, Obama did little campaigning in Illinois.  He did far more campaigning in Indiana, and Indiana responded as if he were a Favorite Son.

Bush won Texas by about 11% more in 2004 than did McCain in 2008.  To be sure, demographic trends (larger Hispanic electorate, more urbanization) might push Texas more toward Obama next time, the Favorite Son effect is significant.  It was enough to get South Dakota to give 45% of its vote for George McGovern in 1972 (one of his best performances in a dreadful result) in contrast to the 35% that he got in North Dakota and the 30% that he got in Nebraska.

Demographics -- Arizona has a fast-growing and young Hispanic electorate and is one of the most urban states in America (greater Phoenix and greater Tucson probably have more than 80% of the state's population) -- suggest that Arizona would have been a tough state for any Republican other than McCain to carry.  I think that Obama could lose Indiana and gain Arizona. The Republicans will not take Indiana for granted next time.

Missouri? With an effective Presidency, Obama wins Missouri -- no question.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 29, 2009, 03:29:55 AM

pbrower, this site usually uses red for disapproval/no votes, just fyi.

Does anyone want to vote on it? I find green and yellow an adequate contrast, and non-partisan. Red and green are opposites, so they are more glaring.   Green and yellow are only 60 degrees away so they have adequate contrast without glare.

I will comply with the result of a vote.

Quote
Also SUSA continues to be weird and show gigantic swings and discrepancies between states that should be similar.

That was a problem in 2008 for SUSA. But I accept it for now in view of a paucity of polls.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: marvelrobbins on April 29, 2009, 08:04:48 AM

Obama Is doing well In the states he won.Here In Missouri people are seeing he Is not the carticure Palin and others were saying.Remember Mccain only won by 4 thousand votes.
Missouri Is the Mccain state most likely to flip In 2012.I am surprised by Kentuckey.Perhapes
White Democrats are coming around.Remember Bill Clinton won It In both 92 and 96.I would be very Intrested In poll out of West Virginia.I am also surprised by him only slightly more disapproved In Alamaba than Approve.I thought It would be higher disapproval.

I disagree with you on Missouri only with one qualification: Arizona seems more likely to flip. Although John McCain carried his home state by 8%, that is decidedly less than the usual effect (about 10-15%) of the Favorite Son effect.  To be sure, Obama did almost as well in 2008 in Massachusetts as did Kerry in 2004 -- Massachusetts wasn't going to vote for any Republican for President in either year, and probably won't for the next twenty. Obama did "only" a little better (7%)  in Illinois than did Kerry in 2004 -- but then, Obama did little campaigning in Illinois.  He did far more campaigning in Indiana, and Indiana responded as if he were a Favorite Son.

Bush won Texas by about 11% more in 2004 than did McCain in 2008.  To be sure, demographic trends (larger Hispanic electorate, more urbanization) might push Texas more toward Obama next time, the Favorite Son effect is significant.  It was enough to get South Dakota to give 45% of its vote for George McGovern in 1972 (one of his best performances in a dreadful result) in contrast to the 35% that he got in North Dakota and the 30% that he got in Nebraska.

Demographics -- Arizona has a fast-growing and young Hispanic electorate and is one of the most urban states in America (greater Phoenix and greater Tucson probably have more than 80% of the state's population) -- suggest that Arizona would have been a tough state for any Republican other than McCain to carry.  I think that Obama could lose Indiana and gain Arizona. The Republicans will not take Indiana for granted next time.

Missouri? With an effective Presidency, Obama wins Missouri -- no question.  

I totaly see your point.I see Arizona as totally flipable.Let's remember while Mccain was the favored son In 2008 he was kinda weak.Obama didn't campagin there except for a commercial In the last week and on Election Eve Mccain felt he had to have a rally In Arizona yet Obama got 45 percent of the vote.
With Mccain off the ticket Arizona Is In play for Obama,and he will campagin there In 2012.A Arizona poll has come out with him at 53 percent approval so winning there Is possable.And also consider
Clinton narrorly lost arizona In 92 but won it In 96

As for Indiana It Is the obama state most likely to flip however don't underestimate Obama.The
Clintons,Mccain,and the congressional Republicans have all made that mistake.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 29, 2009, 08:19:59 AM
Quinnipiac University:

58% Approve
30% Disapprove

President Obama wins 90 - 4 percent approval from Democrats and 53 - 33 percent approval from independent voters, while Republicans disapprove 59 - 26 percent. Black voters approve 93 - 1 percent, White voters 53 - 35 percent. There is a 10-point gender gap, as women approve 63 - 25 percent while men approve 53 - 35 percent.

From April 21 - 27, Quinnipiac University surveyed 2,041 registered voters nationwide with a margin of error of +/- 2.2 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1291


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 29, 2009, 08:42:08 AM
Quinnipiac University:

58% Approve
30% Disapprove

President Obama wins 90 - 4 percent approval from Democrats and 53 - 33 percent approval from independent voters, while Republicans disapprove 59 - 26 percent. Black voters approve 93 - 1 percent, White voters 53 - 35 percent. There is a 10-point gender gap, as women approve 63 - 25 percent while men approve 53 - 35 percent.

From April 21 - 27, Quinnipiac University surveyed 2,041 registered voters nationwide with a margin of error of +/- 2.2 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1291

Hey at least they were able to find 1% of blacks that disapproved, CBSNews found 0.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 29, 2009, 09:20:04 AM
Oklahoma (Sooner Poll, April 23-26, 318 Likely Voters):

47% Approve
48% Disapprove

"The only good news for Obama was that, even at 47 percent, his approval rating is higher in Oklahoma than George W. Bush's during the final year of his presidency."

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20090429_16_A1_OLHMIY212294


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 29, 2009, 09:59:53 AM
Utah (Dan Jones/KSL-TV/Deseret News):

53% Approve
43% Disapprove

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=6306801

How come Utah is giving Obama good numbers considering how deeply red (Atlas:Blue) it is?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 29, 2009, 10:20:19 AM
Utah (Dan Jones/KSL-TV/Deseret News):

53% Approve
43% Disapprove

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=6306801

How come Utah is giving Obama good numbers considering how deeply red (Atlas:Blue) it is?

Because it's a crap poll. :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on April 29, 2009, 10:27:42 AM
Quinnipiac University:

58% Approve
30% Disapprove

President Obama wins 90 - 4 percent approval from Democrats and 53 - 33 percent approval from independent voters, while Republicans disapprove 59 - 26 percent. Black voters approve 93 - 1 percent, White voters 53 - 35 percent. There is a 10-point gender gap, as women approve 63 - 25 percent while men approve 53 - 35 percent.

From April 21 - 27, Quinnipiac University surveyed 2,041 registered voters nationwide with a margin of error of +/- 2.2 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1291

Hey at least they were able to find 1% of blacks that disapproved, CBSNews found 0.

Apparently Michael Steele couldn't answer the phone when the CBS pollster called but he was there for the Quinnipiac one.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on April 29, 2009, 10:30:52 AM
Quinnipiac University:

58% Approve
30% Disapprove

President Obama wins 90 - 4 percent approval from Democrats and 53 - 33 percent approval from independent voters, while Republicans disapprove 59 - 26 percent. Black voters approve 93 - 1 percent, White voters 53 - 35 percent. There is a 10-point gender gap, as women approve 63 - 25 percent while men approve 53 - 35 percent.

From April 21 - 27, Quinnipiac University surveyed 2,041 registered voters nationwide with a margin of error of +/- 2.2 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1291

Hey at least they were able to find 1% of blacks that disapproved, CBSNews found 0.

Apparently Michael Steele couldn't answer the phone when the CBS pollster called but he was there for the Quinnipiac one.

He won't talk to CBS. They are commie, duh.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lunar on April 29, 2009, 10:48:13 AM
WSJ/NBC

Approve 61%
Disapprove 30%

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/WSJ_NewsPoll_042809.pdf

Is this honestly what Lunar was waiting for?

my professor runs that poll and I got a 26 page update of it that I have to read for class tomorrow ... and my question that I had proposed didn't get into the poll as I had a remote hope for.

What was your question?

Just asking people if they feel that their tax rates have gone up over last year.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 29, 2009, 11:12:40 AM
Louisiana (Southern Media & Opinion Research):

53% Excellent/Good
38% Not So Good/Poor

600 Likely Voters, April 13-16, 2009

http://www.laplaintalk.com/news-releases/3005press-release.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on April 29, 2009, 11:21:34 AM
Louisiana (Southern Media & Opinion Research):

53% Excellent/Good
38% Not So Good/Poor

600 Likely Voters, April 13-16, 2009

http://www.laplaintalk.com/news-releases/3005press-release.pdf

That is higher than I would have expected.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: marvelrobbins on April 29, 2009, 11:55:45 AM
Louisiana (Southern Media & Opinion Research):

53% Excellent/Good
38% Not So Good/Poor

600 Likely Voters, April 13-16, 2009

http://www.laplaintalk.com/news-releases/3005press-release.pdf

Surprised by this.I guess In Lousiana the white democrats are coming along.We know the
Black Democrats are on Obama's side.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: justfollowingtheelections on April 29, 2009, 04:29:20 PM
That's some great news from Utah and Louisiana!  I wish someone would poll Alaska.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Duke on April 29, 2009, 07:44:15 PM
This thread will be amusing when unemployment hits 12%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 29, 2009, 07:48:43 PM
This thread will be amusing when unemployment hits 12%.

That won't happen, silly. You see, America hates the GOP so much that they won't ever disapprove of Obama because they know the alternative!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on April 29, 2009, 07:54:27 PM
This thread will be amusing when unemployment hits 12%.

That won't happen, silly. You see, America hates the GOP so much that they won't ever disapprove of Obama because they know the alternative!

Not far from the truth.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 30, 2009, 12:05:37 AM
Ayres, McHenry & Associates (R):

61% Approve
32% Disapprove

Survey of 1000 registered voters, conducted April 13-16.

http://www.resurgentrepublic.com/system/assets/7/original/RR_April_09_Toplines.pdf

Diageo Hotline:

62% Approve
33% Disapprove

Survey of 800 registered voters, conducted April 23-26.

http://www.diageohotlinepoll.com/documents/diageohotlinepoll/FDDiageoHotlinePoll100DaysMasterToplineforRelease.pdf

New York (SurveyUSA, conducted separately after their April poll release):

66% Approve
28% Disapprove

If there was a do-over election for president of the United States today, would you vote for Barack Obama the Democrat? Or John McCain the Republican?

Obama - 62%
McCain - 32%

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=ca1b31c7-00c9-4032-95d5-33cae93ccf7d


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 30, 2009, 12:12:19 AM
Massachusetts (Suffolk University):

66% Approve
27% Disapprove

http://www.suffolk.edu/images/content/SUPRC.Mass.Marginals.April.28.2009.pdf

Florida (Suffolk University):

60% Approve
30% Disapprove

http://www.suffolk.edu/images/content/Flordia.Marginals.April.28.2009.pdf

The Suffolk University/7NEWS poll of Massachusetts voters was conducted April 24 through April 27, 2009.  The Florida poll was conducted April 26 through April 28. The margin of error on each study of 400 is +/- 4.9 percent at a 95 percent level of confidence.  All respondents from the statewide surveys were registered voters.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on April 30, 2009, 06:57:19 AM
Uni poll? LOL


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 30, 2009, 07:23:33 AM
Why is Suffolk polling Florida? Geez...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on April 30, 2009, 07:29:09 AM
Why is Suffolk polling Florida? Geez...

Gotta make the numbers look good.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on April 30, 2009, 09:37:12 AM
This thread will be amusing when unemployment hits 12%.

I don't know, with GOP reactions like that, I'd say that it's pretty amusing right now. :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 30, 2009, 09:49:39 AM

Latest update:

(
)

Indiana, anyone? Louisiana? Mississippi? Montana?

First, the bad news for Obama/good news for the GOP:

One new net-negative: Oklahoma, and it is extremely close in one of the most right-wing states in America.

Now the good news for Obama: Oklahoma is one of the most right-wing states in America, and it is perhaps the only state that will vote for every imaginable GOP nominee in 2012.

Louisiana suggests a positive trend in a raft of states in the WV-LA crescent that voted strongly against Obama but voted for Clinton. Recent approval polls suggest that Obama could win such against any Republican except perhaps Huckabee (and I recognize the significance of cultural geography in voting).






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 30, 2009, 01:07:03 PM
Ohio (University of Cincinnati):

63% Approve (D 89, I 54, R 30)
32% Disapprove (D 8, I 41, R 65)

Registered to vote ?

62% Approve
34% Disapprove

These findings are based on the latest Ohio Poll, conducted by the Institute for Policy Research at the University of Cincinnati. The Ohio Poll is sponsored by the University of Cincinnati. The Poll was conducted between April 16 and April 27, 2009. A random sample of 818 adults from throughout the state was interviewed by telephone.

http://www.ipr.uc.edu/documents/op043009.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 30, 2009, 01:23:46 PM
Finally, Obama's standing in Indiana (to some extent):

Hamilton Campaigns (D) for Evan Bayh:

61% Favorable
38% Unfavorable

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/cheat-sheet/043009-white-house-cheat-sheet.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 30, 2009, 01:31:17 PM
Finally, Obama's standing in Indiana (to some extent):

Hamilton Campaigns (D) for Evan Bayh:

61% Favorable
38% Unfavorable

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/cheat-sheet/043009-white-house-cheat-sheet.html

That's better than I expected, although I guess his job approval will be about 56-58.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 30, 2009, 01:31:35 PM
FYI:

Hamilton Campaigns doesn't seem to be a DEM hack poll institute, as they had Obama up by 4 in Florida (47-43) a few weeks before the election.

In FL-24, they even showed Kosmas (D) trailing Incumbent Rep. Feeney (R) by 42-43, but Kosmas beat Feeney by 57-41 in the General election.

In FL-25 they had Rep. Diaz-Balart (R) ahead by 3 (45-42),  he won by 53-47.

http://www.hamiltoncampaigns.com


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 30, 2009, 06:11:01 PM
Georgia- Research 2000/Kos

Favorable 49%
Unfavorable 46%

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/4/29/GA/291


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on April 30, 2009, 06:24:12 PM
In FL-24, they even showed Kosmas (D) trailing Incumbent Rep. Feeney (R) by 42-43, but Kosmas beat Feeney by 57-41 in the General election.

So, they may not be biased, but... :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on May 01, 2009, 10:26:34 AM
Georgia- Research 2000/Kos

Favorable 49%
Unfavorable 46%

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/4/29/GA/291

Wow, that's pretty bad... it's not like he lost Georgia by a huge margin either.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 01, 2009, 10:53:18 AM
Georgia- Research 2000/Kos

Favorable 49%
Unfavorable 46%

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/4/29/GA/291

Wow, that's pretty bad... it's not like he lost Georgia by a huge margin either.

Not really. Rasmussen recently had him at 54-46 and Strategic Vision at 55-39.

Or Georgia voters don't like Obama personally, but like what he's doing ... :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 01, 2009, 11:03:34 AM
Finally, Obama's standing in Indiana (to some extent):

Hamilton Campaigns (D) for Evan Bayh:

61% Favorable
38% Unfavorable

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/cheat-sheet/043009-white-house-cheat-sheet.html

That's better than I expected, although I guess his job approval will be about 56-58.

No, according to Howey Politics, Obama's approval rating in Indiana is 61-36.

http://www.howeypolitics.com/2009/05/01/bayh-votes-against-obamas-budget


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on May 01, 2009, 11:09:11 AM
Finally, Obama's standing in Indiana (to some extent):

Hamilton Campaigns (D) for Evan Bayh:

61% Favorable
38% Unfavorable

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/cheat-sheet/043009-white-house-cheat-sheet.html

That's better than I expected, although I guess his job approval will be about 56-58.

No, according to Howey Politics, Obama's approval rating in Indiana is 61-36.

http://www.howeypolitics.com/2009/05/01/bayh-votes-against-obamas-budget

Once again Bayh shows that he really has the finger on the pulse of his constituents.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 01, 2009, 11:23:04 AM
FYI, Rasmussen April Party ID:

D 38.7%(nc)
R 32.6%(-0.6%)
I 28.7%(+0.6%)

These are the changes from March. Republicans went lower and Indies went up.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 01, 2009, 12:52:55 PM
Latest update:

(
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Indiana in! Correction made! Georgia gets cut down a bit.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 01, 2009, 12:57:19 PM
I'm going to interpret the 63% support for Bayh in Indiana as a "high 5" in Indiana for Obama. That's not too far off from Ohio. Georgia gets cut down a bit.

No, you got this wrong:

The poll was conducted for Evan Bayh, but also asked for Obama's approval.

Obama's approval in Indiana is 61-36, his favorable rating is 61-38.

Bayh's approval is at 73%, his favorable rating at 74-23.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 01, 2009, 01:02:15 PM
It's a Democratic poll for a Democratic candidate, the numbers are likely inflated.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 01, 2009, 01:07:34 PM
It's a Democratic poll for a Democratic candidate, the numbers are likely inflated.

Not necessarily: Dick Lugar has a 74-19 favorable rating in the same poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 01, 2009, 01:12:11 PM
It's a Democratic poll for a Democratic candidate, the numbers are likely inflated.

Not necessarily: Dick Lugar has a 74-19 favorable rating in the same poll.

Then all of their favorables are way too high. :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 01, 2009, 02:29:47 PM
It's a Democratic poll for a Democratic candidate, the numbers are likely inflated.

Not necessarily: Dick Lugar has a 74-19 favorable rating in the same poll.

Lugar ran unopposed in a bad year for the Republican Party (2006) because no Democrat thought himself able to beat him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 01, 2009, 03:55:04 PM
SurveyUSA

Approve 58%
Disapprove 38%

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=ac7c1602-9851-41a1-bf10-cfc2a8f69022


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on May 01, 2009, 04:01:27 PM
SurveyUSA

Approve 58%
Disapprove 38%

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=ac7c1602-9851-41a1-bf10-cfc2a8f69022

Another interesting question, the do-over:

Obama 54%
McCain 39%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 01, 2009, 04:10:04 PM
SurveyUSA

Approve 58%
Disapprove 38%

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=ac7c1602-9851-41a1-bf10-cfc2a8f69022

Another interesting question, the do-over:

Obama 54%
McCain 39%

But it's kinda not relevant since it uses a different electorate composition than what voted in 2008.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Duke on May 02, 2009, 12:40:56 AM
This thread will be amusing when unemployment hits 12%.

I don't know, with GOP reactions like that, I'd say that it's pretty amusing right now. :)

You can pretty much put me in the Sam Spade level of pessimism camp on the economy.  I basically think we're in deep you-know-what for a couple of years no matter what we do, and it will come as no shock that I think almost every single thing Obama has done has made the problem bigger.  He misdiagnosed both the problem and the solution.

So yeah, suffice it to say I think Obama's approval ratings are going to slide quite a bit over the next year.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 02, 2009, 05:13:44 AM
This thread will be amusing when unemployment hits 12%.

Unemployment is a lagging indicator. As a rule, businesses do not hire to stimulate economic activity; they hire only after they can no longer speed up production lines and push Herculean efforts onto workers. The Darwinian cull of the workforce continues until it is unsustainable.

The current recession/depression will not end with a new speculative boom; any recovery will need a new basis -- at the least, replacement of the threadbare, wrecked, and obsolete consumer goods. New technologies and new ways of doing business will have to create economic growth that is not so much a boom as a recovery.

Many people will have to do what they did in the 1930s: establish businesses -- unglamorous start-up enterprises that can undercut cartels and trusts. But let's remember: there is no better time than a depression for starting a business. Good help is easy to find; real estate is cheap; capital is cheap; plenty of used equipment (from businesses that went under) is available; inventories are cheap.  Sweat equity builds capital without bloated bureaucracies.
 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 02, 2009, 12:22:09 PM
The gap between Rasmussen and Gallup is widening again:

54-45 (nc, nc) vs. 67-28 (+4, -3 in the last 2 days)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on May 02, 2009, 12:33:47 PM
The gap between Rasmussen and Gallup is widening again:

54-45 (nc, nc) vs. 67-28 (+4, -3 in the last 2 days)
I'm going to say it's right in the middle of those 2. Probably about 60-35, which is average for a President at this time.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 02, 2009, 03:14:11 PM
Gallup is a joke. Maybe they should use three different tracking polls like they did during the election. Maybe one of them will be close.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on May 02, 2009, 03:50:52 PM
Gallup is a joke. Maybe they should use three different tracking polls like they did during the election. Maybe one of them will be close.

Crap, they're showing what most other pollsters are. They're so terrible...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 02, 2009, 03:52:29 PM
Gallup is a joke. Maybe they should use three different tracking polls like they did during the election. Maybe one of them will be close.

Crap, they're showing what most other pollsters are. They're so terrible...

Right. And by most other pollsters you mean CBS and WAPO? Thanks for playing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 03, 2009, 12:26:20 AM
Gallup is a joke. Maybe they should use three different tracking polls like they did during the election. Maybe one of them will be close.

At least Gallup was better than Rasmussen in predicting Bush's approval on Election Day:

Gallup: 26-69

Rasmussen: 35-62

According to the Exit Poll: 28-72


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on May 03, 2009, 01:06:34 AM
An exit poll is just that. Another poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on May 03, 2009, 01:09:59 AM
SurveyUSA

Approve 58%
Disapprove 38%

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=ac7c1602-9851-41a1-bf10-cfc2a8f69022

Another interesting question, the do-over:

Obama 54%
McCain 39%

But it's kinda not relevant since it uses a different electorate composition than what voted in 2008.

1. There were polls of adults in 2008

2. The 2012 election is kinda not relevant since it uses a different electorate composition than what voted in 2008, or can be modeled by the current LV polls you've (IIRC) previously advocated

You're kind of annoying sometimes

An exit poll is just that. Another poll.

Not really -- Different flaws and benefits


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on May 03, 2009, 01:18:25 AM
All polls have different 'flaws and benefits.'

It's just not hard enough data.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on May 03, 2009, 01:21:51 AM
All polls have different 'flaws and benefits.'

In a very specific sense, yes.  But exit polls have a radically different methodology and sample than phone polls -- they are hence not "just...another poll."  That's what I meant, at least.

It's just not hard enough data.

What do you mean by "hard," and it's not hard enough for what?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on May 03, 2009, 01:54:04 AM
This thread will be amusing when unemployment hits 12%.

I don't know, with GOP reactions like that, I'd say that it's pretty amusing right now. :)

You can pretty much put me in the Sam Spade level of pessimism camp on the economy.  I basically think we're in deep you-know-what for a couple of years no matter what we do, and it will come as no shock that I think almost every single thing Obama has done has made the problem bigger.  He misdiagnosed both the problem and the solution.

Bush is just as responsible, of course.  But what Obama's doing will not help any, obviously.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on May 03, 2009, 02:06:38 AM
Gallup is a joke. Maybe they should use three different tracking polls like they did during the election. Maybe one of them will be close.

At least Gallup was better than Rasmussen in predicting Bush's approval on Election Day:

Gallup: 26-69

Rasmussen: 35-62

According to the Exit Poll: 28-72

A poll conducted on Election Day is not the same as a poll conducted on Inauguration Day.  Come on.

I am still concerned about the distinction between IVR polls and phone polling - SUSA saying 58% approval with adults translates into somewhere near a Rasmussen (LV) @ 54% or a PPP (RV) @ 53%. (not to mention the higher disapprovals)

Does anyone else have a good explanation for this other than people lying to phone pollsters?   Well, other than people lying to machines and not to phone pollsters (not likely)?  There's only one phone poll not showing this distinction - Marist (and they show lower disapprovals)

Another point I would make is that if the distinction I am noting is accurate and if the IVR polls are picking up a lying distinction, then the "do-over" Alcon posted makes a lot of sense.

And leads to a much more interesting conclusion in my mind...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 03, 2009, 02:16:13 AM
Gallup is a joke. Maybe they should use three different tracking polls like they did during the election. Maybe one of them will be close.

At least Gallup was better than Rasmussen in predicting Bush's approval on Election Day:

Gallup: 26-69

Rasmussen: 35-62

According to the Exit Poll: 28-72

A poll conducted on Election Day is not the same as a poll conducted on Inauguration Day.  Come on.


The Rasmussen and Gallup polls I mentioned were not conducted on Inauguration Day, but between Nov. 2 and 4.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on May 03, 2009, 02:28:22 AM
Gallup is a joke. Maybe they should use three different tracking polls like they did during the election. Maybe one of them will be close.

At least Gallup was better than Rasmussen in predicting Bush's approval on Election Day:

Gallup: 26-69

Rasmussen: 35-62

According to the Exit Poll: 28-72

A poll conducted on Election Day is not the same as a poll conducted on Inauguration Day.  Come on.


The Rasmussen and Gallup polls I mentioned were not conducted on Inauguration Day, but between Nov. 2 and 4.

ok, thanks.  My confusion.

The more interesting question is why Rasmussen was much closer in the actual result than Gallup considering the Bush approval calls.  I have a theory, naturally...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 03, 2009, 07:57:13 AM
The latest Democracy Corps poll should also be noted, because they were very accurate in 2008:

They showed Obama vs. McCain at 51-44 in a 3-way race and 52-44 in a 2-way, the House at 52-42 (it ended up as 53-44) and Bush's approval at 30-64.

http://www.democracycorps.com/strategy/2008/11/national-survey-7/?section=Survey

Now to their new likely voter poll (1000 actual 2008 voters and 851 likely 2010 voters):

58% Approve
32% Disapprove

2010 Congressional Vote:

50% Democrats
40% Republicans

http://www.democracycorps.com/download.php?attachment=dc10042609fq5web.pdf

So what is causing the discrepancy between them and Rasmussen, as they both use LV-models ? Why does Rasmussen show 13% higher disapprovals for Obama and why is there a 13% difference in the Congressional vote, desite the fact that DC was about as/or even more accurate in Nov. 2008 than Rasmussen ? Is it really like Sam Spade thinks that LV are lying to real people more than machines when they are polled ?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 03, 2009, 08:45:49 AM
SurveyUSA

Approve 58%
Disapprove 38%

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=ac7c1602-9851-41a1-bf10-cfc2a8f69022

Another interesting question, the do-over:

Obama 54%
McCain 39%

Let's interpret that as a "vote-over". 93% are decided, so that leaves 7% undecided. A third of the undecided don't vote for President, and of the undecided who end up voting they go 3-2 for McCain (because those voters are more likely to be Republicans):

Add 40% x 2/3 x 7% = 1.867% to Obama's 54% (55.867%)
Add 60% x 2/3 x 7% = 2.800% to McCain's 39% (41.800%)

Add the sum of their results from 100% to get a percentage of voters (97.667%)

Divide each by .97667 to reduce the number of non-voters polled, and you get:

Obama 57.20%
McCain 42.80%

2008 reality:

Obama 52.87%
McCain 45.61%

Likely effect of a vote with a 57-43 spread instead of 52-47:

(
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That assumes that Obama gains as much in percentage in California as in Kentucky. Without such an assumption, things look very bad for the GOP in 2012.








Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 03, 2009, 09:44:18 AM
I just think one of the explanations has to be that people are more comfortable telling a machine that they disapprove of Obama than they are a live caller(for fear of being perceived racist, not wanting to look like you want him to fail, telling the pollster what you think they want to hear, etc.). The same is true of party ID. Because the Republican brand is tarnished now, people are more likely to tell a machine that they are Republican than they are a live caller.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on May 03, 2009, 09:47:00 AM
I just think one of the explanations has to be that people are more comfortable telling a machine that they disapprove of Obama than they are a live caller(for fear of being perceived racist, not wanting to look like you want him to fail, telling the pollster what you think they want to hear, etc.). The same is true of party ID. Because the Republican brand is tarnished now, people are more likely to tell a machine that they are Republican than they are a live caller.

How many more times do we have to hear about the Bradley Effect?
I thought the last election proved once and for all that this thing is dead and buried, if it ever existed.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on May 03, 2009, 09:47:55 AM
All polls have different 'flaws and benefits.'

In a very specific sense, yes.  But exit polls have a radically different methodology and sample than phone polls -- they are hence not "just...another poll."  That's what I meant, at least.

It's just not hard enough data.

What do you mean by "hard," and it's not hard enough for what?

Hard data is an actual count.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 03, 2009, 09:48:33 AM
I just think one of the explanations has to be that people are more comfortable telling a machine that they disapprove of Obama than they are a live caller(for fear of being perceived racist, not wanting to look like you want him to fail, telling the pollster what you think they want to hear, etc.). The same is true of party ID. Because the Republican brand is tarnished now, people are more likely to tell a machine that they are Republican than they are a live caller.

How many more times do we have to hear about the Bradley Effect?
I thought the last election proved once and for all that this thing is dead and buried, if it ever existed.

It's not the Bradley Effect(learn what it actually is first). Can you give me an explanation why the numbers vary so widely?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on May 03, 2009, 09:51:09 AM
I just think one of the explanations has to be that people are more comfortable telling a machine that they disapprove of Obama than they are a live caller(for fear of being perceived racist, not wanting to look like you want him to fail, telling the pollster what you think they want to hear, etc.). The same is true of party ID. Because the Republican brand is tarnished now, people are more likely to tell a machine that they are Republican than they are a live caller.

How many more times do we have to hear about the Bradley Effect?
I thought the last election proved once and for all that this thing is dead and buried, if it ever existed.

It's not the Bradley Effect(learn what it actually is first). Can you give me an explanation why the numbers vary so widely?

I know very well what the Bradley Effect is, thank you very much.
And I don't know why the polls differ. Different methodology perhaps.
But certainly no conspiracy theory about whites being afraid to say that they disapprove Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 03, 2009, 12:04:42 PM
Obama-surge ?

Gallup: 68-26 (+5, -5 in the past 3 days)

Rasmussen: 56-43 (+2, -2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on May 03, 2009, 12:07:19 PM
Obama-surge ?

Gallup: 68-26 (+5, -5 in the past 3 days)

Rasmussen: 56-43 (+2, -2)

Is it because of Wednesday's TV stint? The whole thing from the campaign of Obama's numbers going up if he's on TV.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lunar on May 03, 2009, 12:34:40 PM
maybe he should do what Blago can't and go on that reality show?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on May 03, 2009, 01:04:25 PM
I think a more negative sample simply came off in Rasmussen more so than an actual gain.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dan the Roman on May 04, 2009, 09:10:28 AM
Still heading up:

Rasmussen 57(+1) 43(0)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on May 04, 2009, 10:26:53 AM
Still, saying the same.

He went down to plus 1 in the stronglys, so it is not unreasonable that he bounces back.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Verily on May 04, 2009, 11:02:53 AM
Still, saying the same.

He went down to plus 1 in the stronglys, so it is not unreasonable that he bounces back.

He's actually up to +5 on the Stronglys. Still, Rasmussen has been inclined to just bounce around its preferred number for a while, so I wouldn't be surprised to see it go down tomorrow.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on May 04, 2009, 11:07:47 AM
Quinnipiac University
4/29 - 5/3/09; 1,120 registered voters, 2.9% margin of error
Mode: Live Telephone Interviews

Pennsylvania

Job Approval / Disapproval
Pres. Obama: 66 / 29
Gov. Rendell: 53 / 38
Sen. Specter: 56 / 36
Sen. Casey: 55 /21


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 04, 2009, 11:16:24 AM
Still, saying the same.

He went down to plus 1 in the stronglys, so it is not unreasonable that he bounces back.

He's actually up to +5 on the Stronglys. Still, Rasmussen has been inclined to just bounce around its preferred number for a while, so I wouldn't be surprised to see it go down tomorrow.

Based on the internals actually, it is most likely to go up tomorrow to 58% or either stay the same at 57%...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on May 04, 2009, 11:55:28 AM
Seems that way, even from not having the internals...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on May 04, 2009, 11:58:27 AM
Quinnipiac University
4/29 - 5/3/09; 1,120 registered voters, 2.9% margin of error
Mode: Live Telephone Interviews

Pennsylvania

Job Approval / Disapproval
Pres. Obama: 66 / 29
Gov. Rendell: 53 / 38
Sen. Specter: 56 / 36
Sen. Casey: 55 /21

So much for Phil's claim that Pennsylvanians are dissapointed with Casey.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 04, 2009, 12:14:38 PM
Gallup

Approve 67%(-1)
Disapprove 27%(+1)

COLLAPSE!!!! OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 04, 2009, 12:49:56 PM
New York (Marist, 1029 RV, April 28-29):

64% Excellent/Good
34% Fair/Poor

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/nyspolls/ny090428/Obama%20Approval%20Rating.htm


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 04, 2009, 01:10:31 PM
Zogby Internet Poll of 3.367 Likely Voters (April 28-30):

Rate performance of Barack Obama in his first 100 days?

54% Positive
45% Negative

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1691


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on May 04, 2009, 01:36:16 PM
Zogby Internet Poll of 3.367 Likely Voters (April 28-30):

Rate performance of Barack Obama in his first 100 days?

54% Positive
45% Negative

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1691

WOW! Zogby Internet has him at 54%, he must be doing well.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rob on May 04, 2009, 03:55:34 PM
Zogby is the only pollster who hasn't sold out to the liberal Democrat Socialist Party, apparently.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on May 04, 2009, 05:02:36 PM
Liberal Democrat Fascist-Socialist Workers Party, apparently.

Didn't you get that memo?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on May 04, 2009, 05:24:13 PM
SurveyUSA

Approve 58%
Disapprove 38%

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=ac7c1602-9851-41a1-bf10-cfc2a8f69022

Another interesting question, the do-over:

Obama 54%
McCain 39%

Let's interpret that as a "vote-over". 93% are decided, so that leaves 7% undecided. A third of the undecided don't vote for President, and of the undecided who end up voting they go 3-2 for McCain (because those voters are more likely to be Republicans):

Add 40% x 2/3 x 7% = 1.867% to Obama's 54% (55.867%)
Add 60% x 2/3 x 7% = 2.800% to McCain's 39% (41.800%)

Add the sum of their results from 100% to get a percentage of voters (97.667%)

Divide each by .97667 to reduce the number of non-voters polled, and you get:

Obama 57.20%
McCain 42.80%

2008 reality:

Obama 52.87%
McCain 45.61%

Likely effect of a vote with a 57-43 spread instead of 52-47:

(
)


That assumes that Obama gains as much in percentage in California as in Kentucky. Without such an assumption, things look very bad for the GOP in 2012.







FWIW: Doesn't GA also flip under this scenario?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 04, 2009, 06:51:54 PM
SurveyUSA

Approve 58%
Disapprove 38%

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=ac7c1602-9851-41a1-bf10-cfc2a8f69022

Another interesting question, the do-over:

Obama 54%
McCain 39%

Let's interpret that as a "vote-over". 93% are decided, so that leaves 7% undecided. A third of the undecided don't vote for President, and of the undecided who end up voting they go 3-2 for McCain (because those voters are more likely to be Republicans):

Add 40% x 2/3 x 7% = 1.867% to Obama's 54% (55.867%)
Add 60% x 2/3 x 7% = 2.800% to McCain's 39% (41.800%)

Add the sum of their results from 100% to get a percentage of voters (97.667%)

Divide each by .97667 to reduce the number of non-voters polled, and you get:

Obama 57.20%
McCain 42.80%

2008 reality:

Obama 52.87%
McCain 45.61%

Likely effect of a vote with a 57-43 spread instead of 52-47:

(
)


That assumes that Obama gains as much in percentage in California as in Kentucky. Without such an assumption, things look very bad for the GOP in 2012.







FWIW: Doesn't GA also flip under this scenario?


I didn't realize that Obama was within 4 points of winning Georgia -- and the difference is slightly more than 4%.

You are right, and I make a subtle correction for the Dakotas --

(
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Nebraska and West Virginia get very close.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on May 04, 2009, 07:48:39 PM
Zogby Internet Poll of 3.367 Likely Voters (April 28-30):

Rate performance of Barack Obama in his first 100 days?

54% Positive
45% Negative

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1691

Joke pollster.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on May 04, 2009, 07:58:36 PM
SurveyUSA

Approve 58%
Disapprove 38%

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=ac7c1602-9851-41a1-bf10-cfc2a8f69022

Another interesting question, the do-over:

Obama 54%
McCain 39%

Let's interpret that as a "vote-over". 93% are decided, so that leaves 7% undecided. A third of the undecided don't vote for President, and of the undecided who end up voting they go 3-2 for McCain (because those voters are more likely to be Republicans):

Add 40% x 2/3 x 7% = 1.867% to Obama's 54% (55.867%)
Add 60% x 2/3 x 7% = 2.800% to McCain's 39% (41.800%)

Add the sum of their results from 100% to get a percentage of voters (97.667%)

Divide each by .97667 to reduce the number of non-voters polled, and you get:

Obama 57.20%
McCain 42.80%

2008 reality:

Obama 52.87%
McCain 45.61%

Likely effect of a vote with a 57-43 spread instead of 52-47:

(
)


That assumes that Obama gains as much in percentage in California as in Kentucky. Without such an assumption, things look very bad for the GOP in 2012.







FWIW: Doesn't GA also flip under this scenario?


I didn't realize that Obama was within 4 points of winning Georgia -- and the difference is slightly more than 4%.

You are right, and I make a subtle correction for the Dakotas --

(
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Nebraska and West Virginia get very close.



SC, ND and SD could switch given that Obama wins the South in this rematch and trounces McCain in the Midwest, which if I'm not mistaken, includes the Plains for polling purposes. A swing to McCain in the West, may see MT elude Obama


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 05, 2009, 01:15:33 PM
Very Important Polls (VIP's) today:

Maricopa County: 51% Excellent/Good, 44% Fair Poor

http://www.brcpolls.com/09/RMP%202009-II-01.pdf

Delaware:

62% Approve

http://www.ledgerdelaware.com/articles/2009/05/04/news/doc49ffa1c1afca0453799066.txt


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Verily on May 05, 2009, 01:47:58 PM
The Maricopa County poll is actually 51-20 because apparently they included "very poor" as an option, meaning "fair" was intended by context to be neutral. (Excellent/Good/Fair/Poor is a terrible way to measure opinion anyway because "Fair" has positive connotations.)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 05, 2009, 01:49:36 PM
Again, a rare feature from across the pond:

Italy Obama Approval by Digis S.r.l for SkyTG24:

72% Approve
28% Disapprove

PdL/Lega Nord Voters:

68% Approve
32% Disapprove

Partito Democratico Voters:

81% Approve
19% Disapprove

93% of Italians are also happy that Obama withdraws US-troops from Iraq by 2010.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzZrGs3yuDs


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rob on May 05, 2009, 03:37:24 PM
(Excellent/Good/Fair/Poor is a terrible way to measure opinion anyway because "Fair" has positive connotations.)

"Mediocre" would be a much better choice imo.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 06, 2009, 12:57:30 PM
Ohio (Quinnipiac, April 28-May 4):

62% Approve
31% Disapprove

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1322.xml?ReleaseID=1295


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 06, 2009, 12:58:48 PM
Gallup

Approve 66%(-1)
Disapprove 27%(nc)

Inching back down towards reality.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 06, 2009, 01:00:57 PM
Gallup

Approve 66%(-1)
Disapprove 27%(nc)

Inching back down towards reality.

But Rasmussen's back up today to 57-43 (+1, nc).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 06, 2009, 01:06:15 PM
Gallup

Approve 66%(-1)
Disapprove 27%(nc)

Inching back down towards reality.

But Rasmussen's back up today to 57-43 (+1, nc).

Reality(to me at least) is 60-62%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on May 06, 2009, 01:32:32 PM
Gallup

Approve 66%(-1)
Disapprove 27%(nc)

Inching back down towards reality.

But Rasmussen's back up today to 57-43 (+1, nc).

Reality(to me at least) is 60-62%.

Yeah, it's probably been hovering at that point for a good few weeks. 60%'s a good guess.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 06, 2009, 02:24:02 PM
Very Important Polls (VIP's) today:

Maricopa County: 51% Excellent/Good, 44% Fair Poor

http://www.brcpolls.com/09/RMP%202009-II-01.pdf

Delaware:

62% Approve

http://www.ledgerdelaware.com/articles/2009/05/04/news/doc49ffa1c1afca0453799066.txt

Maricopa County is the political base of John McCain. In 2008 that was relevant. In 2012 that isn't.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 06, 2009, 11:50:20 PM
North Carolina (Civitas Institute, 600 Likely Voters, April 21-23)

60% Favorable
29% Unfavorable

http://www.nccivitas.org/media/press-releases/civitas-poll-obama-popular-policies-not


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 07, 2009, 06:55:41 PM
Ipsos/McClatchey

Approve 65%
Disapprove 31%

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/67621.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 07, 2009, 11:51:49 PM
Pennsylvania (Research2000/DailyKos):

65% Favorable
28% Unfavorable

The Research 2000 Pennsylvania Poll was conducted from May 4 through May 6, 2009. A total of 600 likely voters who vote regularly in state elections were interviewed statewide by telephone.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/5/6/PA/304


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 08, 2009, 05:11:50 AM
Latest update:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on May 08, 2009, 07:01:12 AM
Great numbers for Obama. "You're doing a heck of a job Brownie!" hehe


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 08, 2009, 12:46:31 PM
Rasmussen:

58% Approve (+1)
41% Disapprove (-2)

Gallup:

66% Approve (-1)
28% Disapprove (+2)

California (Public Policy Institute of CA, April 27-May 4):

Adults (N=2005): 72% Approve, 20% Disapprove

Registered Voters (N=1515): 68% Approve, 24% Disapprove

Likely Voters (N=1080): 66% Approve, 26% Disapprove

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/other/APR_Obama0509.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on May 08, 2009, 12:47:55 PM
So Obama's probably at around 60% nationally.  Good numbers for May.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 08, 2009, 03:06:32 PM
Wow, that's pretty sad that only just over half of California adults are considered likely voters.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on May 08, 2009, 05:52:22 PM
Wow, that's pretty sad that only just over half of California adults are considered likely voters.

Well the next election is November next year, nevermind presidential.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 11, 2009, 01:22:25 PM
Arizona (Rasmussen, 500 LV, May 6):

49% Approve
50% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/arizona/toplines/toplines_john_mccain_and_arizona_may_6_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on May 11, 2009, 01:27:56 PM
Arizona (Rasmussen, 500 LV, May 6):

49% Approve
50% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/arizona/toplines/toplines_john_mccain_and_arizona_may_6_2009

That's suprising... So much for it being in swing state territory. Or is that just sour grapes that their senator lost or something?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on May 11, 2009, 01:37:15 PM
Actually, McCain is not overwhelmingly popular in AZ right now. He does have enough, support, however.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 11, 2009, 06:04:47 PM
Latest update:

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The slight negative approval difference in Arizona looks specious, but who am I to argue?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on May 11, 2009, 07:05:20 PM
Arizona (Rasmussen, 500 LV, May 6):

49% Approve
50% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/arizona/toplines/toplines_john_mccain_and_arizona_may_6_2009
This isn't as terrible as it seems. I think this confirms Arizona could be a swing state almost on the level of North Carolina and the state's demographics still have 4 years to change.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on May 11, 2009, 08:16:39 PM
Latest update:

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The slight negative approval difference in Arizona looks specious, but who am I to argue?

North Carolina looks so pro-Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on May 12, 2009, 03:50:45 PM
Latest update:

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The slight negative approval difference in Arizona looks specious, but who am I to argue?

North Carolina looks so pro-Obama.

More PrObama than Rhode Island it seems on the map, lol.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 12, 2009, 05:24:55 PM
Latest update:

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The slight negative approval difference in Arizona looks specious, but who am I to argue?

North Carolina looks so pro-Obama.

More PrObama than Rhode Island it seems on the map, lol.

Sometimes it depends upon who took the last poll. I rounded a 65% to 70% for North Carolina, and Rhode Island hasn't been polled for a long time.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on May 12, 2009, 05:37:04 PM
Latest update:

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The slight negative approval difference in Arizona looks specious, but who am I to argue?

North Carolina looks so pro-Obama.

...and Arizona looks way too anti-Obama. Sometimes polls are wrong.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RI on May 12, 2009, 05:41:04 PM
Latest update:

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The slight negative approval difference in Arizona looks specious, but who am I to argue?

North Carolina looks so pro-Obama.

More PrObama than Rhode Island it seems on the map, lol.

Sometimes it depends upon who took the last poll. I rounded a 65% to 70% for North Carolina, and Rhode Island hasn't been polled for a long time.

Why are you rounding?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: the artist formerly known as catmusic on May 12, 2009, 06:48:39 PM
Latest update:

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The slight negative approval difference in Arizona looks specious, but who am I to argue?

I am. I'll move for this!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 13, 2009, 06:38:25 PM
CBSNews

Approve 63%(-5%)
Disapprove 26%(+3%)

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_obama_051309.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 14, 2009, 12:54:04 PM
Today we have

California (Rasmussen, 500 LV, May 12):

59% Approve (Lol)
39% Disapprove (Lol)

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/california/toplines/toplines_california_budget_crisis_may_12_2009

Missouri (Democracy Corps (D), 800 LV, April 28-30):

56% Approve
39% Disapprove

http://www.democracycorps.com/strategy/2009/05/a-carnahan-advantage-in-missouri-senate-race/?section=Survey


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 14, 2009, 01:39:17 PM
FOX News:

60% Approve
30% Disapprove

The large partisan divide on Obama's performance continues: 93 percent of Democrats approve compared to 23 percent of Republicans. For independents, 57 percent approve.

Opinion Dynamics Corp. conducted the national telephone poll of 900 registered voters for FOX News from May 12 to May 13. The poll has a 3-point error margin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520210,00.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 14, 2009, 08:04:11 PM
Maryland is now the largest state in electoral votes still unpolled -- not that anyone expects any surprises.

More interesting? Mississippi and Nebraska. Maybe Nevada.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on May 14, 2009, 08:15:58 PM
Latest update:

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The slight negative approval difference in Arizona looks specious, but who am I to argue?

North Carolina looks so pro-Obama.

...and Arizona looks way too anti-Obama. Sometimes polls are wrong.

Perhaps, but the Phoenix metropolitan area is more conservative than say Denver or Las Vegas. Also, could there be some bitterness among Republican and Independent Arizonans over their favorite son's loss in the election?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 15, 2009, 12:00:18 AM
New Jersey (Rasmussen, 500 LV, May 12):

64% Approve
36% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2009/new_jersey/toplines/toplines_new_jersey_governor_may_12_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 15, 2009, 12:04:04 AM
Omaha, NE Obama approval (Wiese Research Associates):

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http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10634401


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 15, 2009, 05:59:04 AM

Perhaps, but the Phoenix metropolitan area is more conservative than say Denver or Las Vegas. Also, could there be some bitterness among Republican and Independent Arizonans over their favorite son's loss in the election?

That could be.

But one interesting poll is out, and even though it applies to only one congressional district, that district actually has one meaningful electoral vote: NE-02, or Greater Omaha. That was the shakiest single electoral vote for Obama, and it can be discussed:

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... even if it doesn't show.

NE-01, eastern Nebraska other than Omaha (largest city: Lincoln) could be interesting. Nebraska will likely split its electoral votes again in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 15, 2009, 08:03:50 AM
This map, unlike previous ones, WILL show results for Nebraska and Maine, states that by law can split their electoral votes. Except in an utter disaster for Obama, Maine will not split its electoral votes; Nebraska barely did in 2008. Now that someone has polled NE-02, Obama's shakiest win in 2008, this map supersedes earlier ones: 


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Obama's positive approval rating in Greater Omaha (NE-02) is stronger than his bare margin of  November 2008. It looks as if an election were to be held today between Obama and a generic GOP nominee (which could in theory still be John McCain), then Obama would win handily. He would win everything that he won in 2008 (I assume that he would win the District of Columbia, Maryland, Maine, Vermont, Hawaii, and Nevada, all of which were far beyond question after the 2008 election). 

I have rounded the results for North Carolina down (65% as "6" instead of "7").



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on May 15, 2009, 08:51:09 AM
Do you seriously think Obama would get 65% in an election in North Carolina?

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 15, 2009, 08:58:13 AM
Attempted translation into electoral results, 2012 with the whopper of an assumption that nothing really changes before then: 


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Projection:
Navy -- Generic Republican strong (10% or more)
Blue  -- Generic Republican weak   (5 - 9.9%)
Pale blue -- Generic Republican, barely (under 5%)
White -- Undeterminable or toss-up
Pink -- Obama, barely (under 5%)
Red -- weak Obama (5-9.9%)
Deep red -- strong Obama (10% or more)

Obama                    418
Toss-up                     13
Generic Republican  107

It's obvious that there will be more polls.  At this stage I consider Montana and North Dakota "unpolled", Nebraska a tossup at large as it is unpolled except for one Congressional district, and Arkansas because it has too many contradictions.  No state in which Obama gets at least a 45% approval rating can be considered anything more than "barely Generic Republican".  In the absence of polls I go with Mississippi, Maryland, D.C., Vermont, Maine, Idaho, Wyoming, Alaska, and Hawaii  as they did in 2008. I "mute" Nevada for lack of polls and because the double-digit win could be a one-time event.  Although West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Louisiana give support in the positive range to Obama, he lost those states by huge margins so they can't be more than "weak Obama".   Although I recognize a strong positive (50%+) for Obama in Utah, I just can't imagine him winning the state.  

Much of this is arbitrary, and one poll can change things dramatically for one state. Much will change politically by 2012; most obviously, Obama absolutely won't be running against a "generic Republican" in 2012.
 






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 15, 2009, 08:59:57 AM
Do you seriously think Obama would get 65% in an election in North Carolina?

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Absolutely not. 55%, tops. An approval rating does not translate smoothly into voting.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on May 15, 2009, 01:35:51 PM
Missouri (Democracy Corps (D), 800 LV, April 28-30):

56% Approve
39% Disapprove

http://www.democracycorps.com/strategy/2009/05/a-carnahan-advantage-in-missouri-senate-race/?section=Survey

And that coming from a sample which is 17% liberal; 32% moderate; and 46% conservative [according to the 2008 exits, they comprised 19%, 45% and 36%, respectively]


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on May 15, 2009, 01:50:35 PM
PPP NC Poll (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_515.pdf)

Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance? If you
approve, press 1. If you disapprove, press 2.
If you’re not sure, press 3.
Approve .......................................................... 51%
Disapprove...................................................... 41%
Not Sure.......................................................... 8%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on May 15, 2009, 02:32:48 PM
PPP NC Poll (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_515.pdf)

Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance? If you
approve, press 1. If you disapprove, press 2.
If you’re not sure, press 3.
Approve .......................................................... 51%
Disapprove...................................................... 41%
Not Sure.......................................................... 8%

Eventhough PPP is a dem leaning company, those are still pretty good numbers for NC.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on May 16, 2009, 01:57:57 PM
Do you seriously think Obama would get 65% in an election in North Carolina?

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Absolutely not. 55%, tops. An approval rating does not translate smoothly into voting.

More like 52%.  The last Democrat to break 55% in NC was Carter in 1976.  Only 1 Democrat has broken 45% since then, and that was Obama last year.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on May 16, 2009, 02:54:10 PM
Just for the record, the City of Omaha isn't contiguous with NE-2.  It's only about 2/3 of the district.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on May 16, 2009, 04:21:07 PM
Attempted translation into electoral results, 2012 with the whopper of an assumption that nothing really changes before then: 


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Projection:
Navy -- Generic Republican strong (10% or more)
Blue  -- Generic Republican weak   (5 - 9.9%)
Pale blue -- Generic Republican, barely (under 5%)
White -- Undeterminable or toss-up
Pink -- Obama, barely (under 5%)
Red -- weak Obama (5-9.9%)
Deep red -- strong Obama (10% or more)

Obama                    418
Toss-up                     13
Generic Republican  107

It's obvious that there will be more polls.  At this stage I consider Montana and North Dakota "unpolled", Nebraska a tossup at large as it is unpolled except for one Congressional district, and Arkansas because it has too many contradictions.  No state in which Obama gets at least a 45% approval rating can be considered anything more than "barely Generic Republican".  In the absence of polls I go with Mississippi, Maryland, D.C., Vermont, Maine, Idaho, Wyoming, Alaska, and Hawaii  as they did in 2008. I "mute" Nevada for lack of polls and because the double-digit win could be a one-time event.  Although West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Louisiana give support in the positive range to Obama, he lost those states by huge margins so they can't be more than "weak Obama".   Although I recognize a strong positive (50%+) for Obama in Utah, I just can't imagine him winning the state.  

Much of this is arbitrary, and one poll can change things dramatically for one state. Much will change politically by 2012; most obviously, Obama absolutely won't be running against a "generic Republican" in 2012.
 







LOL

I'm with Fezzy now. It's amazing how much bull you spew in each of your posts, yet you come off as almost intelligent.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 16, 2009, 06:39:55 PM
I know my limitations, as shown in that map. I look at the approval rating, which I consider more significant than how Obama did in 2008. In relatively few States, the most recent poll suggests that Obama has popularity in the 50-60% range. That stands to be more relevant in 2012 than what Obama did in 2008. In 2008 Obama won or lost on his promises; in 2012 he runs on his record because he will have no chance to run from his record.  If Obama has an approval rating of 55% in Kentucky, then unless the GOP has strong ties to the area, Obama wins, and getting crushed there in 2008 won't matter in 2012. 

I look at the current positive rating for Obama, and if it is below 50% I give a marked edge to the Republican nominee, but it won't be large enough to suggest that Obama will get creamed there as he was in 2008. If Obama has an approval rating below 45% in a state and it is negative, then the state will go into "Strong Republican". Not even Oklahoma fits that category yet (and any state that as right-wing in its leanings as Oklahoma will not likely be close in 2012) .  I have good cause to believe that Obama will win Arizona, but right now the technique assigns Arizona to the Republicans, just as it now assigns Tennessee to Obama. A switch in those two will hardly surprise me. Perhaps many Arizonans have the hope that John McCain will be the GOP nominee in 2012.

Obama has very slight positive ratings in Utah, Georgia, and South Carolina -- but I have no cause to believe that Obama will win any of them should nothing change.  I assign them as "slight Republican", suggesting that the Republican will win those states by minuscule margins.  Obama can win Utah under some freakish circumstances, but it's too early for me to predict any freakish circumstances.

OK -- so how can I project Obama victories in Louisiana, Tennessee, and Kentucky for now?  The positive ratings are significant, and I choose to consider them more significant than the 2008 election. Arkansas would be in the same group -- except that Huckabee could be the GOP nominee for VP, and that makes Arkansas too difficult to predict... for now.

South Dakota? The current strong positive is more powerful than the 2008 result. Such is the rule.

Now, as for states not yet polled....

Does anyone now think that if Obama does well in New Hampshire, that he won't do exceedingly well in Maine and Vermont in 2012 as in 2008? Does anyone expect Obama to not do well in Maryland or Dee Cee? Neighboring states that are politically analogous suggest that nothing will change.  Hawaii has no neighboring state, so I use its 2008 results.  The same is true of Alaska, so I must assume that it will vote in 2012 as in 2008 until I see indications to the contrary. Idaho? Wyoming? They are more analogous to each other than to any other states -- even Utah. If polls in either state suggest that they give Obama about the same level of support as Utah, then I reduce them.

Montana and especially North Dakota have a good analogue in South Dakota, and my model calls them toss-ups until I see otherwise. I haven't shown as much certitude on Nevada; even though it voted for Obama by a double-digit margin, that was a shock on November 4, 2008; I attribute that to the mortgage meltdown which won't be repeated. I can easily put Nevada into the "Strong Obama" category with any poll that shows an approval rating above 55%.

Now -- swing states of 2008. Colorado is in the weak Obama category because of a very thin positive poll and its 2008 performance. An earlier poll was more positive, but I go with the more recent one.  Such is the rule. An average of 2008 performance and the most recent polls put Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, Missouri (which Obama lost -- barely), and Indiana   into the "Weak Obama" category. Ohio goes into the strong zone, as do Iowa and New Hampshire. Swing states of 2008 will be very interesting for a very long time in 2012.

Finally -- Nebraska. NE-02 (Greater Omaha) barely barely voted for Obama, but support for Obama in that district is about ten points higher. NE-01 is more  GOP-leaning, but not that much more, so I could just as easily color it "Barely Republican" as "Barely Democratic". Eastern Nebraska is much like western Iowa. As you will see I couldn't call it a tossup in my map because I colored the toss-ups white, and that would make NE-01 disappear.

Nebraska is politically between Kansas (my scheme shows it "Barely Republican" and South Dakota "Barely Obama"). That suggests a toss-up. NE-03 of course is one of the most right-wing districts in America; it would vote for a liberal Democrat only against a madman, commie, fascist, or KKK member.

Nobody knows who the Republican nominee will be, and that will decide to no small extent which states Obama will win and which ones he will lose. If it's Huckabee, then Louisiana, Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee, and likely Georgia are off limits to Obama; political culture matters greatly.  Positive ratings for Obama just won't be enough for him to win those states. If it's Romney, then Obama likely wins all of those states -- and Arkansas. 

Not the big qualification I give: if nothing really changes before 2012. That is a huge assumption, as all sorts of weird events can transpire. One thing is certain: nobody knows who the GOP nominee will be.  I can imagine Obama picking off Utah against Huckabee and losing it by a 75-25 margin to Romney. I can still imagine one of the GOP candidates dropping out early and running on the Reform ticket, which really messes things up.

Above all else, Obama could still fail as President. There's plenty of time for that. There's plenty of time for a nutty leader in Iran or North Korea to do something incredibly stupid and cruel. The Big Three automakers could go bankrupt, and subsidized banks could fail. It is conceivable that some natural disaster could catch Obama off guard and overtax his abilities as Hurricane Katrina showed how incompetent Dubya was. The Stock Market could conceivably go to 2000. It's also possible that America could undergo a new Religious Revival that causes Americans to support a strident anti-abortion, pro-business, anti-environmentalist, anti-union candidate who rides such a tide.  All of those are possible, and I can imagine many Americans seeking to renew their passports if such happens. Likely? Probably not. It's also possible that Usama bin Laden ends up in US custody -- or that we get to see his cadaver somewhere.

Some of my choices are arbitrary -- and they are on the margin. Look at Utah.  They show the limitations of my knowledge -- limitations that everyone has. My assumption that on the net nothing happens to change things is an average of the possibilities is itself a whopper of an assumption.   



 
 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 17, 2009, 12:43:40 PM
CA-8 SurveyUSA

Approve 84%
Disapprove 13%

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=2328c94e-0f2f-4290-9293-7d4f2e11cd74


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Saxwsylvania on May 17, 2009, 01:04:29 PM
CA-8 SurveyUSA

Approve 84%
Disapprove 13%

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=2328c94e-0f2f-4290-9293-7d4f2e11cd74

Why?  Just why?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 17, 2009, 01:05:51 PM
CA-8 SurveyUSA

Approve 84%
Disapprove 13%

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=2328c94e-0f2f-4290-9293-7d4f2e11cd74

Why?  Just why?

Because it is San Francisco and Obama got 85% there ?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Saxwsylvania on May 17, 2009, 01:07:59 PM
CA-8 SurveyUSA

Approve 84%
Disapprove 13%

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=2328c94e-0f2f-4290-9293-7d4f2e11cd74

Why?  Just why?

Because it is San Francisco and Obama got 85% there ?

Alas, my question was not one of despair, but of bewilderment.  Who in the world blows their money on a poll for San Francisco?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 17, 2009, 01:09:26 PM
Gallup

Approve 63%(-2)
Disapprove 30%(+2)

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 17, 2009, 01:13:43 PM
CA-8 SurveyUSA

Approve 84%
Disapprove 13%

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=2328c94e-0f2f-4290-9293-7d4f2e11cd74

Why?  Just why?

Because it is San Francisco and Obama got 85% there ?

Alas, my question was not one of despair, but of bewilderment.  Who in the world blows their money on a poll for San Francisco?

The poll actually has some news:

Republicans and Independents don't like Pelosi in her own district.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on May 17, 2009, 01:26:13 PM
CA-8 SurveyUSA

Approve 84%
Disapprove 13%

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=2328c94e-0f2f-4290-9293-7d4f2e11cd74

Why?  Just why?

Because it is San Francisco and Obama got 85% there ?

Alas, my question was not one of despair, but of bewilderment.  Who in the world blows their money on a poll for San Francisco?

The poll actually has some news:

Republicans and Independents don't like Pelosi in her own district.

That's suprising, I thought Republicans were totally in love with Speaker Pelosi.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on May 17, 2009, 03:58:02 PM
Obama's approval rating is +26 among San Francisco Republicans, and Schwarzenegger's is -7.  Funny.  Tiny sample but weird.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 18, 2009, 12:36:05 AM
A new Mason-Dixon Nevada poll will be out soon.

But I don't know how reliable Mason-Dixon is after showing only a 4-point Obama win in Nevada, when he really won it by 13% ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 18, 2009, 04:19:44 PM
A new Mason-Dixon Nevada poll will be out soon.

But I don't know how reliable Mason-Dixon is after showing only a 4-point Obama win in Nevada, when he really won it by 13% ...

In all fairness, did anyone get NV right? I remember PPP also had a 4 point spread.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on May 18, 2009, 04:21:19 PM
A new Mason-Dixon Nevada poll will be out soon.

But I don't know how reliable Mason-Dixon is after showing only a 4-point Obama win in Nevada, when he really won it by 13% ...

In all fairness, did anyone get NV right? I remember PPP also had a 4 point spread.

Zogby had a 10 point lead on 11/3.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 18, 2009, 05:05:40 PM
New York- Rasmussen

Approve 65%
Disapprove 32%



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 19, 2009, 05:59:45 AM
CNN

Approve 62%
Disapprove 35%

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/us_national_survey_cnn51415.php


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 19, 2009, 12:39:41 PM
Minnesota (Rasmussen, 500 LV, May 18):

44% Approve
55% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/minnesota/toplines/toplines_minnesota_senate_may_18_2009

WTF !???


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on May 19, 2009, 12:40:27 PM
Minnesota (Rasmussen, 500 LV, May 18):

44% Approve
55% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/minnesota/toplines/toplines_minnesota_senate_may_18_2009

WTF !???

LOL


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on May 19, 2009, 12:45:24 PM
Minnesota (Rasmussen, 500 LV, May 18):

44% Approve
55% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/minnesota/toplines/toplines_minnesota_senate_may_18_2009

WTF !???

LOL

Maybe they mixed the numbers up...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 19, 2009, 12:45:41 PM
Minnesota (Rasmussen, 500 LV, May 18):

44% Approve
55% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/minnesota/toplines/toplines_minnesota_senate_may_18_2009

WTF !???

LOL

Enter BRTD or Snowguy - immediately - to explain why MN has turned into a traitor-state ... !


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on May 19, 2009, 12:48:44 PM
It's called an outlier ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 19, 2009, 01:06:42 PM
Democracy Corps (D), May 10-12:

Among 1000 2008 voters:

59% Approve
33% Disapprove

Composition of sample: 40% DEM, 32% GOP, 27% IND

Among 852 likely 2010 voters:

58% Approve
33% Disapprove

Composition of sample: 39% DEM, 34% GOP, 27% IND

http://www.democracycorps.com/strategy/2009/05/obama-closes-the-democrats-historical-national-security-gap


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 19, 2009, 01:09:50 PM
Nevada (Mason-Dixon, May 12-14, 625 RV):

55% Favorable
30% Unfavorable

http://www.lvrj.com/hottopics/politics/polls/may_2009_3_polls.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on May 19, 2009, 03:16:49 PM
Minnesota (Rasmussen, 500 LV, May 18):

44% Approve
55% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/minnesota/toplines/toplines_minnesota_senate_may_18_2009

WTF !???

From your link I see that Obama's numbers are 66-33.

You must have mixed them up with Al Franken's and Norm Coleman's approval ratings.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on May 19, 2009, 03:39:07 PM
Minnesota (Rasmussen, 500 LV, May 18):

44% Approve
55% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/minnesota/toplines/toplines_minnesota_senate_may_18_2009

WTF !???

Obama is at 66/33, Coleman and Franken are both at 44/55.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on May 19, 2009, 06:52:59 PM
Minnesota (Rasmussen, 500 LV, May 18):

44% Approve
55% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/minnesota/toplines/toplines_minnesota_senate_may_18_2009

WTF !???

Obama is at 66/33, Coleman and Franken are both at 44/55.

They changed it. It was 44/55, I guess Rasmussen changed the numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 19, 2009, 07:19:51 PM
Updated map:

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66% Minnesota, 55% Nevada... eleven states outstanding.

Mississippi anyone? North Dakota? Montana?

Colorado or Arizona again?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on May 19, 2009, 07:21:50 PM
Updated map:

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66% Minnesota, 55% Nevada... eleven states outstanding.

Mississippi anyone? North Dakota? Montana?

Colorado or Arizona again?

Very interesting. I wonder if Colorado and Arizona are outliers, or if the mountain west libertarianism is starting to show itself. I really didn't expect him to have low approvals out here this early, but if these polls aren't outliers, I can see why.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 19, 2009, 07:44:56 PM

Very interesting. I wonder if Colorado and Arizona are outliers, or if the mountain west libertarianism is starting to show itself. I really didn't expect him to have low approvals out here this early, but if these polls aren't outliers, I can see why.

Possible explanation. I would have never expected Colorado to be a near-tossup with Obama holding a 60% nationwide approval. Coloradans and Arizonans might vote differently from that pattern in 2012 if the GOP nominee is not a libertarian. I can't see any potential GOP nominee (that of course excludes Ron Paul, who would do very well in the Mountain West if he were nominated) as a libertarian.

Who runs will matter greatly. The only question about Obama as the nominee for the Democratic Party has an actuarial answer.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on May 19, 2009, 09:36:45 PM
Updated map:

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66% Minnesota, 55% Nevada... eleven states outstanding.

Mississippi anyone? North Dakota? Montana?

Colorado or Arizona again?

NC should be 50%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 19, 2009, 11:45:40 PM
Minnesota (Rasmussen, 500 LV, May 18):

44% Approve
55% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/minnesota/toplines/toplines_minnesota_senate_may_18_2009

WTF !???

Obama is at 66/33, Coleman and Franken are both at 44/55.

Yes, it was definitely a typo by Rasmussen. Considering that Rasmussen had Obama at 58-41 nationally in the previous 3 days, 66% approval in Minnesota is pretty good.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on May 19, 2009, 11:55:35 PM
I think some of you are overestimating how "libertarian" states like Colorado and Arizona actually are...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 20, 2009, 12:50:49 AM
I think some of you are overestimating how "libertarian" states like Colorado and Arizona actually are...

If as the bromide goes, a conservative is a liberal who was just mugged...

a libertarian stranded in a traffic jam begins to think of the government as a possible solution.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on May 20, 2009, 07:51:56 AM
I think some of you are overestimating how "libertarian" states like Colorado and Arizona actually are...

If as the bromide goes, a conservative is a liberal who was just mugged...

a libertarian stranded in a traffic jam begins to think of the government as a possible solution.

And a liberal is a conservative who's just been downsized.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 20, 2009, 12:57:21 PM
New Jersey (Quinnipiac):

67% Approve
27% Disapprove

The President gets a 93 - 4 nod from Democrats and a 63 - 29 percent OK from independent voters, while Republicans disapprove 60 - 32 percent.

From May 12 - 18, Quinnipiac University surveyed 2,532 New Jersey registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1300


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on May 20, 2009, 10:50:33 PM
I think some of you are overestimating how "libertarian" states like Colorado and Arizona actually are...

I consider myself a moderate libertarian, and many independents and Republicans I meet out here (Denver and Boulder regions) have a libertarian streak. Maybe not as extreme as the libertarian party itself, or even myself, but still undeniably libertarian leaning. The thing is, liberals in my area of the state are very liberal, which overwhelms the libertarian vote. However, if these approval ratings prove accurate, than I would be tempted to say that small government, state's rights voters are the reason for it (these people voted for Obama because they no longer trusted the Republican party).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 21, 2009, 12:11:38 AM
PPP will release Obama's approval in Oklahoma today.

Based on their early glimpse that 31% of Democrats in the state disapprove of Obama, I´m estimating Obama's standing in the state at 36% approve and 55% disapprove.

Let's see what the real numbers show ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 21, 2009, 09:22:41 AM
Alabama (Anzalone-Liszt Research (D) for Artur Davis, 600 LV, May 5-9):

"58 percent of voters approve of Obama's performance, including 46 percent of white voters.  In addition, 87 percent of white Democrats and 57 percent of independents approve of Obama’s performance."

http://www.arturdavis2010.com/release_details.asp?id=65

Interesting, because the last Alabama poll by SUSA (600 adults) had Obama at only 48%.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=c643766a-9eb3-42a5-a1ce-38215e0aa02b


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on May 21, 2009, 09:43:21 AM
Alabama (Anzalone-Liszt Research (D) for Artur Davis, 600 LV, May 5-9):

"58 percent of voters approve of Obama's performance, including 46 percent of white voters.  In addition, 87 percent of white Democrats and 57 percent of independents approve of Obama’s performance."

http://www.arturdavis2010.com/release_details.asp?id=65

Interesting, because the last Alabama poll by SUSA (600 adults) had Obama at only 48%.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=c643766a-9eb3-42a5-a1ce-38215e0aa02b


Interesting outlier.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 21, 2009, 09:55:11 AM
PPP will release Obama's approval in Oklahoma today.

Based on their early glimpse that 31% of Democrats in the state disapprove of Obama, I´m estimating Obama's standing in the state at 36% approve and 55% disapprove.

Let's see what the real numbers show ...

The actual numbers from PPP are:

38% Approve
56% Disapprove

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_OK_521.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 21, 2009, 02:26:45 PM

Most of them should be lighter, he has this weird rounding thing he's doing to make Obama look more popular.

I did round up the 56% disapproval in Oklahoma.

Translation:

Disapproval greater than approval:

darkest "yellow" -- 56-65% (Oklahoma)
darkened  yellow -- 50-55%
pale yellow -- under 50% but larger than approval

Exact equality -- probably white, but none show.

palest green -- under 50%, but more than disapproval
medium green --   50-55%
darkened green -- 56-65%
dark green -- 66-75%
very dark green --76-85%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on May 21, 2009, 02:52:26 PM
Oklahoma. lol.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on May 21, 2009, 03:23:29 PM
Alabama (Anzalone-Liszt Research (D) for Artur Davis, 600 LV, May 5-9):

"58 percent of voters approve of Obama's performance, including 46 percent of white voters.  In addition, 87 percent of white Democrats and 57 percent of independents approve of Obama’s performance."

http://www.arturdavis2010.com/release_details.asp?id=65

Interesting, because the last Alabama poll by SUSA (600 adults) had Obama at only 48%.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=c643766a-9eb3-42a5-a1ce-38215e0aa02b


Interesting outlier.

Which one? The 48% approval rating or the 58% one? Or maybe just high end MOE combined with small actual changes in approval/disapproval?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: justfollowingtheelections on May 21, 2009, 03:24:29 PM
Virginia according to Research 2000:

Approve 56%
Disapprove 40%

According to the same poll, Mcdonnell would win easily against any Democrat so it's definitely not a biased poll

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/5/20/VA/305


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 21, 2009, 03:32:50 PM

Updated map:

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Alabama looks like an outlier, but I follow the rule of using the latest poll. Oklahoma makes more sense (56% disapproval, and I round that up). Oklahoma could go 60-40 for the GOP in an Obama landslide in 2012.  Virginia is also at 56% approval, and that's hardly surprising, considering how it voted.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on May 21, 2009, 03:35:46 PM

Seriously, I'm thinking right now what Sergeant Foley said about Oklahoma. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 21, 2009, 03:40:03 PM

Two Senators best described as border-line fascists. Few states have even one.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 21, 2009, 04:20:12 PM
ARG
Approve 61%
Disapprove 32%

http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lunar on May 21, 2009, 06:00:24 PM

Seriously, I'm thinking right now what Sergeant Foley said about Oklahoma. 

Sgt Foley: "You a queer?"
Sid Worley: "Hell no sir!"
Sgt Foley: "Where you from, boy?"
Sid Worley: "Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, sir."
Sgt Foley: "Ah! Only two things come out of Oklahoma. Steers and queers."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 22, 2009, 12:11:47 AM
Winthrop / ETV Poll of 11 southern states:

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49% Approve
38% Disapprove

This Winthrop/ETV Poll was conducted among 955 registered voters from AL, AR, FL, GA, LA, MS, NC, SC, TN, TX, and VA between May 1 and May 17, 2009. Respondents were randomly selected from lists of registered voters in these states. Data utilizing all respondents has a margin of error of plus/minus 3.17 percent. As is true with all survey data, any results that use a subset of the respondents will have a higher margin of error.

http://www.scetv.org/index.php/winthrop/results/10/0/65/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on May 22, 2009, 12:33:01 AM
Attempted translation into electoral results, 2012 with the whopper of an assumption that nothing really changes before then: 


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Projection:
Navy -- Generic Republican strong (10% or more)
Blue  -- Generic Republican weak   (5 - 9.9%)
Pale blue -- Generic Republican, barely (under 5%)
White -- Undeterminable or toss-up
Pink -- Obama, barely (under 5%)
Red -- weak Obama (5-9.9%)
Deep red -- strong Obama (10% or more)

Obama                    418
Toss-up                     13
Generic Republican  107

It's obvious that there will be more polls.  At this stage I consider Montana and North Dakota "unpolled", Nebraska a tossup at large as it is unpolled except for one Congressional district, and Arkansas because it has too many contradictions.  No state in which Obama gets at least a 45% approval rating can be considered anything more than "barely Generic Republican".  In the absence of polls I go with Mississippi, Maryland, D.C., Vermont, Maine, Idaho, Wyoming, Alaska, and Hawaii  as they did in 2008. I "mute" Nevada for lack of polls and because the double-digit win could be a one-time event.  Although West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Louisiana give support in the positive range to Obama, he lost those states by huge margins so they can't be more than "weak Obama".   Although I recognize a strong positive (50%+) for Obama in Utah, I just can't imagine him winning the state.  

Much of this is arbitrary, and one poll can change things dramatically for one state. Much will change politically by 2012; most obviously, Obama absolutely won't be running against a "generic Republican" in 2012.
 






That's a very hopeful map for Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 22, 2009, 12:40:14 AM

I agree. There's about a zero chance that Obama wins states like LA (lol), TN, KY, WV or the western district of NE. AR is also unwinnable. SD and ND are becoming more favorable, but still lean Republican. But a Huckabee has a greater chance to lose them than, let's say a Romney has.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on May 22, 2009, 12:50:00 AM

I agree. There's about a zero chance that Obama wins states like LA (lol), TN, KY, WV or the western district of NE. AR is also unwinnable. SD and ND are becoming more favorable, but still lean Republican. But a Huckabee has a greater chance to lose them than, let's say a Romney has.

Utah at less than 5% margin for Republican - I thought that was just crazy.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lunar on May 22, 2009, 12:52:05 AM

I agree. There's about a zero chance that Obama wins states like LA (lol), TN, KY, WV or the western district of NE. AR is also unwinnable. SD and ND are becoming more favorable, but still lean Republican. But a Huckabee has a greater chance to lose them than, let's say a Romney has.

You're wrong.  If Obama doesn't win all of those [if not more LOL] you can color me surprised.


You can choose the color you want too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Crayola_crayon_colors


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 22, 2009, 01:54:17 AM

I agree. There's about a zero chance that Obama wins states like LA (lol), TN, KY, WV or the western district of NE. AR is also unwinnable. SD and ND are becoming more favorable, but still lean Republican. But a Huckabee has a greater chance to lose them than, let's say a Romney has.

That map is already obsolete due to later polls. This is my more recent map, and in it I have exchanged white for yellow because yellow shows electoral votes better than does white:

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Projection:
Navy -- Generic Republican strong (10% or more)
Blue  -- Generic Republican weak   (5 - 9.9%)
Pale blue -- Generic Republican, barely (under 5%)
Yellow -- Undeterminable or toss-up
Pink -- Obama, barely (under 5%)
Red -- weak Obama (5-9.9%)
Deep red -- strong Obama (10% or more)

For example, Nevada has been polled. It consolidates my assessment that anything that Obama won by 10% or more in 2008 is out of reach, and I need not wait for Maine, Vermont, or Maryland.

A more recent poll for Oklahoma suggests what about everyone reasonably thinks -- that Obama can be defeated there by about a 60-40 margin even if he wins nationwide at a 60-40 spread. I saw a poll for Alabama that gives Obama a 58% approval rating... not that I fully believe it.  But I have cause to believe that a 56% positive rating in Virginia is genuine, as that is close to the vote for Obama in 2008, and that is enough to put Virginia in the "solid Obama" category. West Virginia gave Obama about a 60% approval rating, suggesting that the depiction of Obama as an environmental extremist out to 'punish coal' may be unfounded. If the GOP won on that canard in 2008 and it remains a canard in 2012, then Obama wins West Virginia.

The Alabama poll suggests that some of those surprisingly-high ratings in some of the southeastern and south-central states in which Obama got clobbered in 2008 are genuine.  It's hard for me to believe that Obama is viewed more positively in Alabama than in Georgia -- but such reflects the latest polls. It could be an outlier. But note well -- the "Mid-South" (AL, AR, KY, LA, MS, and TN) is several states that generally move together in recent years. Those states may be easier to figure than Texas, which has no political analogue. Mississippi has yet to be polled, so I guess.

How could Obama be more popular in the South now than on November 4, 2008? He might not be. Those states have a strong heritage of admiration for the military, and they may have voted for McCain because of that heritage. McCain will not be the GOP nominee in 2012, and none of the likely GOP nominees has any military record.

I think that Mike Huckabee picks up all states of the South not on the Atlantic coast, and that if he is a VP candidate, he still wins Arkansas if not all other such states. But he has to get the nomination to do that. Romney and Palin have no connections to the South.

I don't know which to believe about Alabama: the 38% vote for Obama, the recent 48% approval rating, or the current 58% approval rating.  An average suggests a toss-up. Nebraska? At-large, Nebraska was in between South Dakota and Kansas, and the 62% approval rating for NE-02 suggests a gain in NE-01. Districts of Nebraska are shown left-to-right with an increasing number to the right, which is geographically absurd for Nebraska. NE-03 is one of the most right-wing congressional districts in America, and I have it as "Strong (generic) Republican". It offers the surest electoral vote or votes for a generic Republican. NE-01? More GOP-leaning than NE-02, but Nebraska went for McCain only by 13%, and NE-03 went for something like thirty. NE-01 and NE at large are thus undecided.

Of course it looks very hopeful for Obama, suggesting an Eisenhower-scale, if not Reagan-scale or LBJ-scale, landslide in 2012. It suggests that Obama will win everything that he won in 2008 except Colorado at least firmly, and everything that was close. The southern states are daring.

 

 



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Mikado on May 22, 2009, 11:01:51 AM
Winthrop / ETV Poll of 11 southern states:

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49% Approve
38% Disapprove

This Winthrop/ETV Poll was conducted among 955 registered voters from AL, AR, FL, GA, LA, MS, NC, SC, TN, TX, and VA between May 1 and May 17, 2009. Respondents were randomly selected from lists of registered voters in these states. Data utilizing all respondents has a margin of error of plus/minus 3.17 percent. As is true with all survey data, any results that use a subset of the respondents will have a higher margin of error.

http://www.scetv.org/index.php/winthrop/results/10/0/65/

I see I'm not the only person who defines the "South" as the 11 states of the former Confederacy.  I must say that it always throws me when people refer to KY or MO as "Southern" rather than as "Border States."

(OK is marginal...it was a Confederate territory, after all)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 22, 2009, 01:13:39 PM

I agree. There's about a zero chance that Obama wins states like LA (lol), TN, KY, WV or the western district of NE. AR is also unwinnable. SD and ND are becoming more favorable, but still lean Republican. But a Huckabee has a greater chance to lose them than, let's say a Romney has.

Utah at less than 5% margin for Republican - I thought that was just crazy.

So do I -- but Obama's most recent approval rating in Utah was above 50%.

Mitt Romney will absolutely crush Obama in Utah even if Obama has a 60% approval rating there. But I can see Obama winning Utah against Huckabee, Palin, or especially Gingrich. The Mormons pay much attention to "family values" -- and so far those of Obama look far better than those of Palin or Gingrich (or for that matter Bill Clinton). As for Huckabee -- he has said some nasty things about the LDS Church, and Obama hasn't.

We don't know who will be the 2012 GOP nominee for President, do we? We don't even know whether there will be a strong third-party candidate, do we?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on May 22, 2009, 01:21:18 PM

I agree. There's about a zero chance that Obama wins states like LA (lol), TN, KY, WV or the western district of NE. AR is also unwinnable. SD and ND are becoming more favorable, but still lean Republican. But a Huckabee has a greater chance to lose them than, let's say a Romney has.

Utah at less than 5% margin for Republican - I thought that was just crazy.

So do I -- but Obama's most recent approval rating in Utah was above 50%.

Mitt Romney will absolutely crush Obama in Utah even if Obama has a 60% approval rating there. But I can see Obama winning Utah against Huckabee, Palin, or especially Gingrich. The Mormons pay much attention to "family values" -- and so far those of Obama look far better than those of Palin or Gingrich (or for that matter Bill Clinton). As for Huckabee -- he has said some nasty things about the LDS Church, and Obama hasn't.

We don't know who will be the 2012 GOP nominee for President, do we? We don't even know whether there will be a strong third-party candidate, do we?

You're probably being to hopeful there. Huckabee maybe though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 22, 2009, 02:47:31 PM
OBAMA IS NOT WINNING UTAH UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. NONE. ZILCH.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on May 22, 2009, 08:01:11 PM
OBAMA IS NOT WINNING UTAH UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. NONE. ZILCH.
Disagree
If Huckabee is the nominee, it will be close. If Obama's approval ratings are above 60%, and Huckabee is the Republican nominee, Obama will carry the state. Romney would barely get 60% under that scenario.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on May 22, 2009, 09:36:46 PM
OBAMA IS NOT WINNING UTAH UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. NONE. ZILCH.
Disagree
If Huckabee is the nominee, it will be close. If Obama's approval ratings are above 60%, and Huckabee is the Republican nominee, Obama will carry the state. Romney would barely get 60% under that scenario.

I'm sorry but you are wrong, dead wrong. Please try again.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on May 22, 2009, 09:48:01 PM
OBAMA IS NOT WINNING UTAH UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. NONE. ZILCH.
Disagree
If Huckabee is the nominee, it will be close. If Obama's approval ratings are above 60%, and Huckabee is the Republican nominee, Obama will carry the state. Romney would barely get 60% under that scenario.

I'm sorry but you are wrong, dead wrong. Please try again.

I'm dead right. Mormons hate Huckabee. Many will stay home on election day. The whole southwest is trending Democrat. A strong Obama term + Huckabee as the Republican nominee = Utah going Democrat


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 22, 2009, 10:27:10 PM
OBAMA IS NOT WINNING UTAH UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. NONE. ZILCH.
Disagree
If Huckabee is the nominee, it will be close. If Obama's approval ratings are above 60%, and Huckabee is the Republican nominee, Obama will carry the state. Romney would barely get 60% under that scenario.

I'm sorry but you are wrong, dead wrong. Please try again.

I'm dead right. Mormons hate Huckabee. Many will stay home on election day. The whole southwest is trending Democrat. A strong Obama term + Huckabee as the Republican nominee = Utah going Democrat

That may be what my map indicates.  Who runs shapes the voting of individual states, if not regional blocks. I can imagine Utah voters voting for Obama as a protest against someone disrespectful of the LDS Church or the sensibilities of LDS members. Could an active alcoholic  win Utah as a Republican? I think not. Could a serial spouse-cheater win in Utah? Perhaps not. Someone nutty? Utah rejected Goldwater.

Utah is not a difficult state in which to campaign; if it had any chance of voting Democratic in 2008, then Obama's style of campaign would be well suited to the state and he would have been there often. Obama loves publicity and large crowds more easily obtained in big cities and their suburbs than in isolated rural areas.  Utah is easy to get to and get around -- at least between Logan and Provo, an area that contains about 90% of the population. The Salt Lake City television market covers practically the entire state through feeds throughout the state. Obama could make a speech or two supporting religious tolerance while praising Mormon community (they take care of themselves) in Salt Lake City, Ogden, and Provo.

That hardly indicates that Utah becomes a Democratic haven -- far from it. It could be a one-time event. But it does put forth a warning to candidates of all political types: if you want Utah to vote for you, then at the least respect the LDS Church and community or expect to lose Utah!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on May 22, 2009, 11:04:40 PM
OBAMA IS NOT WINNING UTAH UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. NONE. ZILCH.
Disagree
If Huckabee is the nominee, it will be close. If Obama's approval ratings are above 60%, and Huckabee is the Republican nominee, Obama will carry the state. Romney would barely get 60% under that scenario.

I'm sorry but you are wrong, dead wrong. Please try again.

I'm dead right. Mormons hate Huckabee. Many will stay home on election day. The whole southwest is trending Democrat. A strong Obama term + Huckabee as the Republican nominee = Utah going Democrat

Dude, your hate for Huckabee is blinding your judgement. Also you don't speak for mormons, you just speak for yourself. The fact is Huckabee would kill Obama in Utah and thats the bottom line.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on May 22, 2009, 11:08:03 PM
OBAMA IS NOT WINNING UTAH UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. NONE. ZILCH.
Disagree
If Huckabee is the nominee, it will be close. If Obama's approval ratings are above 60%, and Huckabee is the Republican nominee, Obama will carry the state. Romney would barely get 60% under that scenario.

I'm sorry but you are wrong, dead wrong. Please try again.

I'm dead right. Mormons hate Huckabee. Many will stay home on election day. The whole southwest is trending Democrat. A strong Obama term + Huckabee as the Republican nominee = Utah going Democrat

That may be what my map indicates.  Who runs shapes the voting of individual states, if not regional blocks. I can imagine Utah voters voting for Obama as a protest against someone disrespectful of the LDS Church or the sensibilities of LDS members. Could an active alcoholic  win Utah as a Republican? I think not. Could a serial spouse-cheater win in Utah? Perhaps not. Someone nutty? Utah rejected Goldwater.

Utah is not a difficult state in which to campaign; if it had any chance of voting Democratic in 2008, then Obama's style of campaign would be well suited to the state and he would have been there often. Obama loves publicity and large crowds more easily obtained in big cities and their suburbs than in isolated rural areas.  Utah is easy to get to and get around -- at least between Logan and Provo, an area that contains about 90% of the population. The Salt Lake City television market covers practically the entire state through feeds throughout the state. Obama could make a speech or two supporting religious tolerance while praising Mormon community (they take care of themselves) in Salt Lake City, Ogden, and Provo.

That hardly indicates that Utah becomes a Democratic haven -- far from it. It could be a one-time event. But it does put forth a warning to candidates of all political types: if you want Utah to vote for you, then at the least respect the LDS Church and community or expect to lose Utah!

Indeed. The question is, would Mormons vote for a pro-life, anti-gay marriage candidate who criticized the Mormon church and community, or a pro-choice, pro-civil unions candidate who respects the community? This is not one I can answer, though Mormons seem to have a strong loyalty with the Republican party.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lunar on May 22, 2009, 11:11:17 PM

Dude, your hate for Huckabee is blinding your judgement. Also you don't speak for mormons, you just speak for yourself. The fact is Huckabee would kill Obama in Utah and thats the bottom line.

Although that may be true...

"Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?"

—Mike Huckabee, in an interview with New York Times magazine in response to a question on whether Mormonism is a religion or a cult. Huckabee said the quote was taken out of context, and later apologized to Romney.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on May 23, 2009, 12:15:57 AM
OBAMA IS NOT WINNING UTAH UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. NONE. ZILCH.
Disagree
If Huckabee is the nominee, it will be close. If Obama's approval ratings are above 60%, and Huckabee is the Republican nominee, Obama will carry the state. Romney would barely get 60% under that scenario.

I'm sorry but you are wrong, dead wrong. Please try again.

I'm dead right. Mormons hate Huckabee. Many will stay home on election day. The whole southwest is trending Democrat. A strong Obama term + Huckabee as the Republican nominee = Utah going Democrat

Dude, your hate for Huckabee is blinding your judgement. Also you don't speak for mormons, you just speak for yourself. The fact is Huckabee would kill Obama in Utah and thats the bottom line.

Agree completely on this and on RowanBrandon's post.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on May 23, 2009, 12:23:53 AM
Mormons don't like Huckabee too much, "hate blinding" or otherwise.  We had numerous approval polls and head-vs.-heads where a lot of Utahans claimed they'd vote Obama vs. Huckabee.  Obama even led Huckabee pretty solidly in one, albeit one that showed the Presidential race improbably close.

Would Utah vote Obama against Huckabee?  I sincerely doubt it, but Huckabee is not especially popular in Utah.  Voters would "come home" gradually, especially because I doubt a Huckabee candidacy would concentrate much on evangelical Christianity.  But otherwise I see it as analogous to Obama's GE performance in West Virginia -- not a tanking, but swimming against an added current.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lunar on May 23, 2009, 12:59:00 AM
Huckabee doesn't seem willing to compromise for political expediency, for better or for worse.  When it comes to not being super evangelical it's the latter.

Hell, he doesn't have to prove his social conservative credentials but every time he's been making the news the last few weeks it's been for that needless reason.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on May 23, 2009, 01:09:39 AM
I think Obama could win Utah against Huckabee. Mormon turnout would be very, very low and SLC is bound to vote for Obama at even higher rates due to the few Republican more secular gentiles and  Jack Mormons voting for Obama along with the city growing somewhat in the next four years. This is if he wages a masterful campaign with perfect conditions though. I think if Obama has 55% approval ratings and conducts an average campaign the closest he could make Utah is in the low 40's.

Idaho would also get significantly closer in the southern areas with Huckabee as a candidate. Evangelicals are pretty non-existent until you get to Boise and Mountain Home. In other words if Huckabee is nominated pretty large parts of the West will swing even further towards Obama, while others should actually go towards Huckabee.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on May 23, 2009, 09:39:16 AM
I think Obama could win Utah against Huckabee. Mormon turnout would be very, very low and SLC is bound to vote for Obama at even higher rates due to the few Republican more secular gentiles and  Jack Mormons voting for Obama along with the city growing somewhat in the next four years. This is if he wages a masterful campaign with perfect conditions though. I think if Obama has 55% approval ratings and conducts an average campaign the closest he could make Utah is in the low 40's.

Idaho would also get significantly closer in the southern areas with Huckabee as a candidate. Evangelicals are pretty non-existent until you get to Boise and Mountain Home. In other words if Huckabee is nominated pretty large parts of the West will swing even further towards Obama, while others should actually go towards Huckabee.
Agreed.
If it's a tight race nationally, Huckabee would win in Utah. But if Obama was approval rating's in the 60's, maybe even high 50's, Utah will be extremely competitive. Mormon turnout will be ridiculously low. They could just flock to a 3rd party candidate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BM on May 23, 2009, 11:35:29 AM
When did you become an independent?  Are the mean Republicans purging moderates again? :(


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on May 23, 2009, 12:38:22 PM
When did you become an independent?  Are the mean Republicans purging moderates again? :(
Pretty much
Actually, I'll give a small list...
1. I don't approve of our chairman
2. Huckabee is doing way to well in polls
3. Far Right Republicans are ruling our party, and want all moderates out.
4. Rush and Hannity are becoming the voices of our party...that is scary :(


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on May 23, 2009, 12:42:19 PM
When did you become an independent?  Are the mean Republicans purging moderates again? :(
Pretty much
Actually, I'll give a small list...
1. I don't approve of our chairman
2. Huckabee is doing way to well in polls
3. Far Right Republicans are ruling our party, and want all moderates out.
4. Rush and Hannity are becoming the voices of our party...that is scary :(

5. I realize that having a conservative viewpoint on this forum will not help me make "forum friends", therefore I better get in line quick with the clique or they'll hate me.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on May 23, 2009, 12:43:38 PM
When did you become an independent?  Are the mean Republicans purging moderates again? :(
Pretty much
Actually, I'll give a small list...
1. I don't approve of our chairman
2. Huckabee is doing way to well in polls
3. Far Right Republicans are ruling our party, and want all moderates out.
4. Rush and Hannity are becoming the voices of our party...that is scary :(

5. I realize that having a conservative viewpoint on this forum will not help me make "forum friends", therefore I better get in line quick with the clique or they'll hate me.

6. I realize that the amount of conservatives in America is getting smaller and smaller, and unless we adjust to the center, we're screwed in Presidential elections.
7. Many of the Democrats on here are quite smart, and thanks to them, I'm seeing clearer how Democrats think. And actually, it isn't all that bad, although I tend to agree with Republicans more.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on May 23, 2009, 12:48:09 PM
My point exactly. We could use another Josh22 though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on May 23, 2009, 12:51:35 PM
My point exactly. We could use another Josh22 though.

What's your point?
The only reason I was so conservative when I got on here was because I've been brainwashed by my Dad for the past 15 years of my life. He thinks Democrats had planned on Gore winning in 2000, and had already paid terrorists to bomb the World Trade Centers so Democrats would look strong on National Security. Thanks to some people on here, I've becomed more open-minded, and have reversed my position on some key issues.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on May 23, 2009, 12:53:13 PM
Ever attended a leadership conference?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on May 23, 2009, 12:53:50 PM
I don't think so
I'm only 15
Why?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on May 23, 2009, 01:04:31 PM
We all know that his only reason for switching to an I avatar is to protest against Huckabee.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on May 23, 2009, 01:43:39 PM
Why do people care what avatar he has?  He has a Romney banner in his sig, for pete's sake.  It really doesn't matter.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on May 23, 2009, 01:50:14 PM
We all know that his only reason for switching to an I avatar is to protest against Huckabee.

I actually agree with Ben...
Why does it matter?
Seriously
And yes, protesting Huckabee is part of the reason. I don't like him. I'm not going to support him. I wouldn't leave the party just because of him though. Other reasons are involved.
And besides, I'm not a Republican. I'm not even a registered voter. It doesn't really matter how I feel until 2012, because that's when I vote.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BM on May 23, 2009, 02:14:48 PM
It's just odd how your whole schtick is that Republicans can only win with "moderates" when you were a big Michele Bachmann fan not too long ago. Romney/Bachmann '12!!!  The Utah debate is a little absurd too.

People tend to exaggerate how far out of the mainstream people like Huckabee and Palin are, especially when your beloved Romney is forced to pathetically pander to the type of voter they appeal to. But whatever. If you're at your rebellious teenage stage I'm sure we'll see the red avatar emerge by the 2010 elections. ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 23, 2009, 03:38:52 PM
My point exactly. We could use another Josh22 though.

What's your point?
The only reason I was so conservative when I got on here was because I've been brainwashed by my Dad for the past 15 years of my life. He thinks Democrats had planned on Gore winning in 2000, and had already paid terrorists to bomb the World Trade Centers so Democrats would look strong on National Security. Thanks to some people on here, I've becomed more open-minded, and have reversed my position on some key issues.


It isn't easy to get away from a conspiracy-theory cult. What your father did -- in trying to get you in on such a cult -- is inexcusable. I find it troublesome enough that some believe that Dubya had a role in the attacks on 9/11... and I despise Dubya.

One of the great ironies was that after the 1993 bombing of the WTC the United States had arrested the key figures who eventually were convicted, whereupon they now languish in a federal Supermax. Likewise the Embassy Bombings in Kenya and Tanzania (governments extraditing the killers and plotters to the United States because the embassies are under US legal authority). We are still out to get Usama bin Laden and his henchmen. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on May 23, 2009, 04:04:12 PM
My point exactly. We could use another Josh22 though.

What's your point?
The only reason I was so conservative when I got on here was because I've been brainwashed by my Dad for the past 15 years of my life. He thinks Democrats had planned on Gore winning in 2000, and had already paid terrorists to bomb the World Trade Centers so Democrats would look strong on National Security. Thanks to some people on here, I've becomed more open-minded, and have reversed my position on some key issues.

"People who will not stand for something will fall for anything."
You should have an open mind about things, but don't ever let them change your views, if you truly believe in them views you (had)have.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: justfollowingtheelections on May 23, 2009, 09:52:29 PM
I'm pretty sure those who think Obama has no chance in Utah thought the same thing about Indiana last year...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on May 23, 2009, 10:45:11 PM
I'm pretty sure those who think Obama has no chance in Utah thought the same thing about Indiana last year...

Well, probably.  If they didn't think Obama would win in Indiana, then why would they suddenly give him a chance in Utah?

Obama wins Utah only in the best of scenarios.  Huge economic recovery, a new era of good feelings, and only against Mike Huckabee (this is why Huckabee must not get the nomination).  If the economy hasn't recovered, no way in hell Utah goes for Obama, or most other states for that matter.

What I find interesting is that people give Obama a chance in Utah but they refuse to consider the possibility of a Republican winning in Massachusetts, Illinois, or California (which Obama won by around the same percentage that McCain won Utah).  It's like they think that Obama is guaranteed re-election based on his approvals four months into his term.  ing incredible. 

That is because we are talking about Obama here. Didn't you get the memo, Obama is god and can do anything. ::)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 23, 2009, 11:20:28 PM
I'm pretty sure those who think Obama has no chance in Utah thought the same thing about Indiana last year...

Well, probably.  If they didn't think Obama would win in Indiana, then why would they suddenly give him a chance in Utah?

Obama wins Utah only in the best of scenarios.  Huge economic recovery, a new era of good feelings, and only against Mike Huckabee (this is why Huckabee must not get the nomination).  If the economy hasn't recovered, no way in hell Utah goes for Obama, or most other states for that matter.

Huckabee is the only candidate who can win a bunch of southern states. Arkansas alone is at least as big a prize than Utah. 

Obama is the only Democratic politician not from Indiana who could win Indiana. Everything went right for Obama, and he still barely won Indiana.   

The economy needs not fully recover for Obama to win in 2012 -- big. The economy hadn't fully recovered for FDR in 1936, either, and he won in a landslide.

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What I find interesting is that people give Obama a chance in Utah but they refuse to consider the possibility of a Republican winning in Massachusetts, Illinois, or California (which Obama won by around the same percentage that McCain won Utah).  It's like they think that Obama is guaranteed re-election based on his approvals four months into his term.  ing incredible.
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Because the Republicans have no candidate who has no regional weaknesses that prevents Obama by winning re-election simply by winning every state that he won by at least 9%  and one other state. Pick Romney and Obama picks up at least one Southern state. Pick Huckabee and Obama wins a few more northern states. Pick Palin and lose... Ohio. Pick Gingrich and Obama wins an Eisenhower landslide.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on May 24, 2009, 01:50:34 AM
My point exactly. We could use another Josh22 though.

People can adjust their outlook on things. Josh22 was just funny because he was literally flipping every other week for a while there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 24, 2009, 06:29:40 AM
I'm pretty sure those who think Obama has no chance in Utah thought the same thing about Indiana last year...

Completely different animal. Indiana isn't 70% Mormon.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 24, 2009, 06:40:15 AM
I'm pretty sure those who think Obama has no chance in Utah thought the same thing about Indiana last year...

Well, probably.  If they didn't think Obama would win in Indiana, then why would they suddenly give him a chance in Utah?

Obama wins Utah only in the best of scenarios.  Huge economic recovery, a new era of good feelings, and only against Mike Huckabee (this is why Huckabee must not get the nomination).  If the economy hasn't recovered, no way in hell Utah goes for Obama, or most other states for that matter.

Huckabee is the only candidate who can win a bunch of southern states. Arkansas alone is at least as big a prize than Utah. 

Obama is the only Democratic politician not from Indiana who could win Indiana. Everything went right for Obama, and he still barely won Indiana.   

The economy needs not fully recover for Obama to win in 2012 -- big. The economy hadn't fully recovered for FDR in 1936, either, and he won in a landslide.

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What I find interesting is that people give Obama a chance in Utah but they refuse to consider the possibility of a Republican winning in Massachusetts, Illinois, or California (which Obama won by around the same percentage that McCain won Utah).  It's like they think that Obama is guaranteed re-election based on his approvals four months into his term.  ing incredible.

Because the Republicans have no candidate who has no regional weaknesses that prevents Obama by winning re-election simply by winning every state that he won by at least 9%  and one other state. Pick Romney and Obama picks up at least one Southern state. Pick Huckabee and Obama wins a few more northern states. Pick Palin and lose... Ohio. Pick Gingrich and Obama wins an Eisenhower landslide.



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Pray tell what "southern" state would Romney lose. McCain wasn't exactly southern himself.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on May 24, 2009, 06:50:00 AM
Pray tell what "southern" state would Romney lose. McCain wasn't exactly southern himself.

McCain wasn't a Mormon. And his military background played well in the South.

Romney not only will have problems with the Evangelicals, but I doubt that as a Massachusets multimillionaire he will be the ideal messenger for GOP's pseudopopulist talking points about ''East Coast elites''.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 24, 2009, 06:51:00 AM
Pray tell what "southern" state would Romney lose. McCain wasn't exactly southern himself.

McCain wasn't a Mormon. And his military background played well in the South.

Romney not only will have problems with the Evangelicals, but I doubt that as a Massachusets multimillionaire he will be the ideal messenger for GOP's pseudopopulist talking points.   

So instead of voting for the Republican like they usually do, they are going to vote for a black liberal Democrat? Uh no.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on May 24, 2009, 06:51:43 AM
Pray tell what "southern" state would Romney lose. McCain wasn't exactly southern himself.

McCain wasn't a Mormon. And his military background played well in the South.

Romney not only will have problems with the Evangelicals, but I doubt that as a Massachusets multimillionaire he will be the ideal messenger for GOP's pseudopopulist talking points.   

So instead of voting for the Republican like they usually do, they are going to vote for a black liberal Democrat? Uh no.

No. They can stay home or vote third party.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 24, 2009, 06:53:20 AM
Pray tell what "southern" state would Romney lose. McCain wasn't exactly southern himself.

McCain wasn't a Mormon. And his military background played well in the South.

Romney not only will have problems with the Evangelicals, but I doubt that as a Massachusets multimillionaire he will be the ideal messenger for GOP's pseudopopulist talking points.   

So instead of voting for the Republican like they usually do, they are going to vote for a black liberal Democrat? Uh no.

No. They can stay home or vote third party.

And risk Obama getting elected again? I'm not saying they will be voting for Romney, but their vote for Romney would be against Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on May 24, 2009, 06:59:32 AM
And risk Obama getting elected again? I'm not saying they will be voting for Romney, but their vote for Romney would be against Obama.

If they voted against Obama last year just because they believed all the crap about him being a radical Muslim who will persecute whites and surrender America to terrorists, then it's very possible that after four years of seing the truth, they will prefer him over a phony like Romney.

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 24, 2009, 09:43:25 AM
I'm pretty sure those who think Obama has no chance in Utah thought the same thing about Indiana last year...

Well, probably.  If they didn't think Obama would win in Indiana, then why would they suddenly give him a chance in Utah?

Obama wins Utah only in the best of scenarios.  Huge economic recovery, a new era of good feelings, and only against Mike Huckabee (this is why Huckabee must not get the nomination).  If the economy hasn't recovered, no way in hell Utah goes for Obama, or most other states for that matter.

Huckabee is the only candidate who can win a bunch of southern states. Arkansas alone is at least as big a prize than Utah. 

Obama is the only Democratic politician not from Indiana who could win Indiana. Everything went right for Obama, and he still barely won Indiana.   

The economy needs not fully recover for Obama to win in 2012 -- big. The economy hadn't fully recovered for FDR in 1936, either, and he won in a landslide.

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What I find interesting is that people give Obama a chance in Utah but they refuse to consider the possibility of a Republican winning in Massachusetts, Illinois, or California (which Obama won by around the same percentage that McCain won Utah).  It's like they think that Obama is guaranteed re-election based on his approvals four months into his term.  ing incredible.

Because the Republicans have no candidate who has no regional weaknesses that prevents Obama by winning re-election simply by winning every state that he won by at least 9%  and one other state. Pick Romney and Obama picks up at least one Southern state. Pick Huckabee and Obama wins a few more northern states. Pick Palin and lose... Ohio. Pick Gingrich and Obama wins an Eisenhower landslide.


Pray tell what "southern" state would Romney lose. McCain wasn't exactly southern himself.

Virginia (which might not be particularly Southern anymore, but it would be enough)
Florida
North Carolina
Georgia (heavy military presence helped McCain as it won't help Romney)

So far I can't see Obama losing Virginia to any imaginable GOP candidate in 2012 except in the aftermath of political disaster, category self-inflicted.

.... Anything else beyond those indicates a landslide.

I see no indication that Romney can win as much of the poor white vote as did McCain -- a large vote in the South, and one critical to GOP success in recent years. Romney is just as much a d@mnyankee as Obama, but in 2012 Obama will be the d@mnyankee that they know. Besides, if Obama does good for poor Southern blacks, he will also do good for poor Southern whites.  He will be running for re-election as President -- not to be some white person's in-law.

Mitt Romney will have to explain his religion; Joe Lieberman had to do that, too, and that didn't help Gore in 2000. Mormonism is about as exotic in the South as is Judaism.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 24, 2009, 10:36:15 AM
I was referring to states Obama didn't win already. I also doubt Obama can do much better in Georgia, he maxed out the black vote, and still lost by 5 points.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on May 24, 2009, 10:40:51 AM
I was referring to states Obama didn't win already. I also doubt Obama can do much better in Georgia, he maxed out the black vote, and still lost by 5 points.

If he does two points better nationally then why can't he take Georgia?
Also, in four years blacks and Hispanics will be an even bigger part of the electorate in the state.
And old time segragationists will be even less. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on May 24, 2009, 11:39:50 AM
I was referring to states Obama didn't win already. I also doubt Obama can do much better in Georgia, he maxed out the black vote, and still lost by 5 points.

If he does two points better nationally then why can't he take Georgia?
Also, in four years blacks and Hispanics will be an even bigger part of the electorate in the state.
And old time segragationists will be even less. 

Yes, but I think that IF the GOP turns down the anti-immigrant rhetoric (which they appear to have been doing, but we'll see when the President tackles immigrant reform) Hispanics will vote for the Republicans in much the same way they did for Bush in 2004. As for blacks, their turnout will likely be down, and I could see about 5% or so defecting towards Republicans now that we have a black president (typically, 10% vote Republican, not 3%). So that would balance out the lessening of the racist vote.


Pray tell what "southern" state would Romney lose. McCain wasn't exactly southern himself.

Virginia (which might not be particularly Southern anymore, but it would be enough)
Florida
North Carolina
Georgia (heavy military presence helped McCain as it won't help Romney)

So far I can't see Obama losing Virginia to any imaginable GOP candidate in 2012 except in the aftermath of political disaster, category self-inflicted.

.... Anything else beyond those indicates a landslide.

I see no indication that Romney can win as much of the poor white vote as did McCain -- a large vote in the South, and one critical to GOP success in recent years. Romney is just as much a d@mnyankee as Obama, but in 2012 Obama will be the d@mnyankee that they know. Besides, if Obama does good for poor Southern blacks, he will also do good for poor Southern whites.  He will be running for re-election as President -- not to be some white person's in-law.

Mitt Romney will have to explain his religion; Joe Lieberman had to do that, too, and that didn't help Gore in 2000. Mormonism is about as exotic in the South as is Judaism.

I think they will warm up to the Mormonism as the campaign goes on. I think Romney could win all of those, though I think he will have the hardest time in North Carolina. He may do better in Virginia than North Carolina, though I think he would win or lose them together.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on May 25, 2009, 04:42:10 PM
I went back and will show the trends month by month of Obama's approval ratings. (Green approve, Blue Disapprove)

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 25, 2009, 08:21:31 PM
Allowing a distinction for Congressional districts in Maine and Nebraska:


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 I round up 6-9 to the next ten for anything above 55%, so that may be some difference. .


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Magic 8-Ball on May 26, 2009, 12:47:05 PM
While I find the idea of Obama winning Georgia and Utah unlikely, I was one of the people in 2007 who disregarded polls that had "Generic Democrat" defeating "Generic Republican" by something like 10 points.

Obama may have net positive support in both states, but it's difficult to tell how strong it would be once the country is in election mode.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 26, 2009, 02:54:56 PM
While I find the idea of Obama winning Georgia and Utah unlikely, I was one of the people in 2007 who disregarded polls that had "Generic Democrat" defeating "Generic Republican" by something like 10 points.

Obama may have net positive support in both states, but it's difficult to tell how strong it would be once the country is in election mode.

Indeed the model may grossly understate the chance that Obama wins some states as much as it grossly overestimates a reasonable assessment of the chance of Obama winning such states as Utah or Alabama. I think that Obama has more of a chance to win Colorado (he did in 2008, of course) than some states in which the most recent poll gives Obama as much as a 60% or so approval rating. Likewise Arizona, where the demographics suggest that Obama would have won Arizona against any GOP nominee other than McCain. I think that he even has more of a chance of winning Texas than of winning Utah...

I can think of circumstances in which Obama wins Utah -- circumstances far from having materialized, of course.

But if Obama is getting strong positive approval in a bunch of Southern states, then that suggests that unless the GOP nominates someone with an obvious connection to the region (the area seems almost homogeneous in its politics, then the GOP stands to lose more of the South than Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida. Let's remember that Obama got clobbered in Southern states not on the Atlantic Coast -- not that the GOP nominee won't need Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida.

If I were a GOP figure trying to win the Presidency from Obama, then I would find his approval ratings portending a huge loss in 2012. Think about the Mid-South; although no state is individually a big prize (Georgia isn't in that group), the group itself holds 38 electoral votes if one excludes Kentucky. Should Obama win most of that group (which includes unpolled Mississippi), then Obama surely wins Kentucky and Missouri as well... and with no other major changes for Obama, that suggests an Eisenhower-scale landslide. Other than that the only hope for a GOP win of the Presidency is something going very bad for Obama.

God help us if that catastrophe involves North Korea.   



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on May 26, 2009, 03:24:38 PM
NC: 2010 Senate (PPP-5/19-21)

Public Policy Polling (D)
5/19-21/09; 798 registered voters, 3.5% margin of error
Mode: IVR

North Carolina

Obama Job Approval
51% Approve, 42% Disapprove

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_526.pdf (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_526.pdf)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Magic 8-Ball on May 26, 2009, 05:37:03 PM
While I find the idea of Obama winning Georgia and Utah unlikely, I was one of the people in 2007 who disregarded polls that had "Generic Democrat" defeating "Generic Republican" by something like 10 points.

Obama may have net positive support in both states, but it's difficult to tell how strong it would be once the country is in election mode.

Indeed the model may grossly understate the chance that Obama wins some states as much as it grossly overestimates a reasonable assessment of the chance of Obama winning such states as Utah or Alabama. I think that Obama has more of a chance to win Colorado (he did in 2008, of course) than some states in which the most recent poll gives Obama as much as a 60% or so approval rating. Likewise Arizona, where the demographics suggest that Obama would have won Arizona against any GOP nominee other than McCain. I think that he even has more of a chance of winning Texas than of winning Utah...

I think that if Obama is reelected, even in a 50/50 scenario, he will win with Colorado.  The state party has made such huge gains over the past four or five years, that it's hard to see him win without it.

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But if Obama is getting strong positive approval in a bunch of Southern states, then that suggests that unless the GOP nominates someone with an obvious connection to the region (the area seems almost homogeneous in its politics, then the GOP stands to lose more of the South than Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida. Let's remember that Obama got clobbered in Southern states not on the Atlantic Coast -- not that the GOP nominee won't need Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida.

We'll see.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on May 26, 2009, 05:54:28 PM
pbrower2a, approval ratings doesn't mean votes. Get that, and stop trying to say because someone approves of Obama they will vote for him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on May 26, 2009, 06:22:20 PM
pbrower2a, approval ratings doesn't mean votes. Get that, and stop trying to say because someone approves of Obama they will vote for him.

On the other hand, of course, disapproval ratings don't necessarily mean votes against. In 2004, 9% of those who approved of Bush (53%) voted for Kerry, while 6% of those who didn't (46%) voted for Bush


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on May 26, 2009, 06:23:59 PM
pbrower2a, approval ratings doesn't mean votes. Get that, and stop trying to say because someone approves of Obama they will vote for him.

On the other hand, of course, disapproval ratings don't necessarily mean votes against. In 2004, 9% of those who approved of Bush voted for Kerry, while 6% of those who didn't voted for Bush

You are right, you can't us approval ratings to see if someone will win a state.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 26, 2009, 06:46:34 PM
pbrower2a, approval ratings doesn't mean votes. Get that, and stop trying to say because someone approves of Obama they will vote for him.

It is more my temptation to see the 2008 vote as an approval rating of sorts.

So far those ratings are all that we have. Surely some of us would take notice if Obama had approval ratings of 35% in North Carolina or 52% in New York State; such would indicate huge trouble. Approval isn't the same as a "vote for". Obama would lose to Romney in Utah even with an approval rating of 65% and to Huckabee in Arkansas with a similar approval rating in Arkansas. George Herbert Walker Bush had fairly high approval ratings going into the 1992 election; those of his son were mediocre. Go figure.

I see this: those who disapprove of the performance of an incumbent President are unlikely to vote for him unless the opponent has the perception of a bird commonly served as dinner on Thanksgiving Day.

Who gets the GOP nomination will decide whether Obama wins certain states... and with statewide approval ratings as they are, the nominee may win some in contest and lose some in contest. I see no evidence that Obama is vulnerable in any State that he won in 2008 by at least 5%, and winning those states would be enough in 2012.  He will disappoint people with some of his choices.

This may be a more important question: can Obama maintain these approval ratings? If he can't, then how much can he lose and still win?

Huge differences exist for approval ratings between Obama and all four of these GOP candidates: Huckabee, Palin, Romney, and Gingrich. When asked to choose whether one would choose Obama over one or the other, then people nationwide answer the nationwide "would you vote for him/her?" is in the 50's for Obama and that for the Republican is in the 30's. Among the Republicans, Huckabee does best... with about 40% of the likely vote, and Gingrich does very badly -- in the mid-30s. Romney and Palin are somewhere in between. "Don't know" is as high as 10% or so.

It now looks as if Obama would beat any of them handily -- maybe not with 60% of the vote except perhaps against Gingrich. Of course that says nothing about such people as Tom Ridge and Bobby Jindal who are not offered as alternatives.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on May 26, 2009, 07:06:42 PM
If you have the following:

Election day approval rating of each state
Election day vote percentage of each state
Current approval rating of each state

Then you can come up with:

Educated guess of the current vote percentage

If you want better, you would have to find a way to compare the 2008 McCain/ Palin ticket to any potential 2012 Republican tickets.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dan the Roman on May 26, 2009, 08:45:26 PM
If you have the following:

Election day approval rating of each state
Election day vote percentage of each state
Current approval rating of each state

Then you can come up with:

Educated guess of the current vote percentage

If you want better, you would have to find a way to compare the 2008 McCain/ Palin ticket to any potential 2012 Republican tickets.

The latter I think is impossible. McCain/Palin was a unique combination of two very different candidates who may very well have attracted with one part of the ticket the part that was attracted by the other. How many people came out for McCain due to Palin who would not have come out for McCain/Romney? How many voted for McCain because of his reputation in spite of disliking Palin?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on May 26, 2009, 09:34:24 PM
I never said it would be easy.

Some states are more populistic (Ohio), some more libertarian (Arizona), some more liberal (Rhode Island), and some more conservative (Mississippi). It would be very rough estimation.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 26, 2009, 11:45:47 PM
New York (Siena Research Institute, May 18-21):

72% Favorable
23% Unfavorable

http://www.siena.edu/uploadedFiles/Home/Parents_and_Community/Community_Page/SRI/SNY_Poll/SNY0509%20Crosstabs_Final_2.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on May 26, 2009, 11:49:22 PM
I bet we'll get some polls focusing on Obama's approval among hispanics post-Sotomayor.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 27, 2009, 12:02:06 AM
Michigan (EPIC-MRA, May 18-21):

Overall, how would you rate the job being done by Barack Obama as President -- would you give him a positive rating of excellent or pretty good, or a negative rating of just fair or poor?

61% Total Positive
37% Total Negative

http://www.wxyz.com/content/news/seenon7priority/story/EXCLUSIVE-POLL-Michigan-on-Wrong-Track/EXSk_1_-p0u-ZwRskF-pZg.cspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 27, 2009, 12:48:47 PM
Connecticut (Quinnipiac University)

71% Approve
22% Disapprove

From May 20 - 25, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,575 Connecticut registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.5 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1296.xml?ReleaseID=1301


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Holmes on May 27, 2009, 06:00:27 PM
Rhode Island (Brown University Taubman Center for Public Policy)

How would you rate the job Barack Obama is doing as president?
Excellent 36%
Good 38%
Only fair 16%
Poor 7%
Don’t know 2%
No answer 1%

The poll was conducted May 18-20 with a random sample of 593 registered voters statewide. Overall, the margin of error was plus or minus about 4 percentage points.

http://news.brown.edu/pressreleases/2009/05/survey


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 27, 2009, 06:14:31 PM
Change in two states (MI, down for Obama; RI, up):


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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on May 27, 2009, 08:13:03 PM

Removed the numbers to make the smaller states easier to see. :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 27, 2009, 10:17:26 PM

Removed the numbers to make the smaller states easier to see. :)

Thank you; that was a good idea. We don't know what the electoral vote counts will be for individual states. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on May 27, 2009, 10:17:45 PM

I agree. There's about a zero chance that Obama wins states like LA (lol), TN, KY, WV or the western district of NE. AR is also unwinnable. SD and ND are becoming more favorable, but still lean Republican. But a Huckabee has a greater chance to lose them than, let's say a Romney has.

That map is already obsolete due to later polls. This is my more recent map, and in it I have exchanged white for yellow because yellow shows electoral votes better than does white:

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Projection:
Navy -- Generic Republican strong (10% or more)
Blue  -- Generic Republican weak   (5 - 9.9%)
Pale blue -- Generic Republican, barely (under 5%)
Yellow -- Undeterminable or toss-up
Pink -- Obama, barely (under 5%)
Red -- weak Obama (5-9.9%)
Deep red -- strong Obama (10% or more)

For example, Nevada has been polled. It consolidates my assessment that anything that Obama won by 10% or more in 2008 is out of reach, and I need not wait for Maine, Vermont, or Maryland.

A more recent poll for Oklahoma suggests what about everyone reasonably thinks -- that Obama can be defeated there by about a 60-40 margin even if he wins nationwide at a 60-40 spread. I saw a poll for Alabama that gives Obama a 58% approval rating... not that I fully believe it.  But I have cause to believe that a 56% positive rating in Virginia is genuine, as that is close to the vote for Obama in 2008, and that is enough to put Virginia in the "solid Obama" category. West Virginia gave Obama about a 60% approval rating, suggesting that the depiction of Obama as an environmental extremist out to 'punish coal' may be unfounded. If the GOP won on that canard in 2008 and it remains a canard in 2012, then Obama wins West Virginia.

The Alabama poll suggests that some of those surprisingly-high ratings in some of the southeastern and south-central states in which Obama got clobbered in 2008 are genuine.  It's hard for me to believe that Obama is viewed more positively in Alabama than in Georgia -- but such reflects the latest polls. It could be an outlier. But note well -- the "Mid-South" (AL, AR, KY, LA, MS, and TN) is several states that generally move together in recent years. Those states may be easier to figure than Texas, which has no political analogue. Mississippi has yet to be polled, so I guess.

How could Obama be more popular in the South now than on November 4, 2008? He might not be. Those states have a strong heritage of admiration for the military, and they may have voted for McCain because of that heritage. McCain will not be the GOP nominee in 2012, and none of the likely GOP nominees has any military record.

I think that Mike Huckabee picks up all states of the South not on the Atlantic coast, and that if he is a VP candidate, he still wins Arkansas if not all other such states. But he has to get the nomination to do that. Romney and Palin have no connections to the South.

I don't know which to believe about Alabama: the 38% vote for Obama, the recent 48% approval rating, or the current 58% approval rating.  An average suggests a toss-up. Nebraska? At-large, Nebraska was in between South Dakota and Kansas, and the 62% approval rating for NE-02 suggests a gain in NE-01. Districts of Nebraska are shown left-to-right with an increasing number to the right, which is geographically absurd for Nebraska. NE-03 is one of the most right-wing congressional districts in America, and I have it as "Strong (generic) Republican". It offers the surest electoral vote or votes for a generic Republican. NE-01? More GOP-leaning than NE-02, but Nebraska went for McCain only by 13%, and NE-03 went for something like thirty. NE-01 and NE at large are thus undecided.

Of course it looks very hopeful for Obama, suggesting an Eisenhower-scale, if not Reagan-scale or LBJ-scale, landslide in 2012. It suggests that Obama will win everything that he won in 2008 except Colorado at least firmly, and everything that was close. The southern states are daring.

 

 



Do you believe anything you say? Or do you just try to paint the rosiest picture possible for your candidate?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 28, 2009, 11:28:17 AM


Do you believe anything you say? Or do you just try to paint the rosiest picture possible for your candidate?

No, I do not believe it fully. Note that I have qualifications in my prediction.

Obama could lose a state or two in which he has a 55%-60% approval rating, but he won't lose a raft of them. He's not going to win Oklahoma, where his approval rating is in the thirties. But it is clear that the Blue Firewall is intact, at least according to opinion polls, and Obama will have to have a catastrophic Presidency to lose it. He is above 60% approval in every state that he won by 9% or more... except Maine, Vermont, Maryland, DC, and Hawaii.  Do you want to bet that if polls came out from any of those that they wouldn't show approval ratings above 60%?  Such is how they voted.

What can't I predict? Obama's approval ratings in November 2012 will determine whether he wins or loses.  What could be simpler? If he is effective and does good he wins. How much? Who knows? Should he be an effective President and face a GOP who either has serious flaws as a campaigner, can be depicted as an extremist, or can be linked to some corruption, then Obama wins in a landslide. I could have said the same of Nixon in 1969 or Reagan in 1981. Should Obama fail as President, then we will see that in approval ratings.  Can he fail as President? He has plenty of time in which to do so. 

We just can't know, can we?  I can't predict who the GOP nominee could be in 2012 except that it won't be "Generic Republican", as nobody goes by that name. If it is Huckabee, then Huckabee will likely win the whole South except perhaps Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida. Romney fares better in some states unlikely to matter in 2012, but unless Obama has an inept Presidency that only means that the votes even out between the states -- giving Obama a landslide in the Electoral College even with a 52-47 split of the popular vote (I figure that Romney would do badly in the South). It gets worse for Palin and Gingrich. Romney would do better than Huckabee in Montana and the Dakotas and might shave Obama's margins of victory in some Northern states -- only to gain little in electoral votes. 

Maybe the most effective GOP nominee would be Charlie Crist or Tom Ridge. I don't know; I have seen no differential polls discerning whether Obama is more popular than either.

The 2012 prediction is about as serious as pre-season predictions of baseball pennant races. In February they can freely predict that the Baltimore Orioles have the New Mickey Mantle ... and by May we find that that prospect so praised in February has so many holes in his swing that he is hitting .225 with 3 home runs, makes lots of errors in the field, has been benched, and by June is back in the minors. In October people have other things in mind in baseball, like the playoffs and the World Series, and if the Orioles lost 95 games in the regular season, nobody cares. Baseball fans in places like St. Louis may be paying attention to a .275-hitting shortstop and a sinkerball pitcher who has been around for twelve years.

OK -- I base my map on an assumption that the 2008 election says much about Barack Obama as a campaigner and a politician. Incumbency is a an overpowering asset to a President who seems to do the job well even if his Presidency has induced "hidden damage" that can do great harm to America. If everything remains the same in 2012 as in 2008, then Obama probably ends up with a victory similar in scale to that of 2008.

Of course things will be different -- McCain won't be running in 2012, the economy is in a condition unlikely to be frozen until 2012, and there will be international events. The best evidence of change in events will be approval polls -- and if Obama were getting approvals around 47% in Wisconsin or Pennsylvania with 49% disapproval, then I would show those states as likely losses for Obama. But what can I do if Obama has an approval rating of 58% in Alabama? That suggests change in political realities in Alabama.

I find it hard to believe that Obama is doing so well in the South -- but the polls are consistent, and if those for a bunch of states similar in political tendencies concur, then I have no cause to believe otherwise. If Obama's approval remains as it is in those states, then he has no chance of losing them by double-digit margins in 2012 as he did in 2008. Sure, it's counter-intuitive -- but truth is often counter-intuitive. Obama will be running on his record in 2012 and not on promises.

Contrast Oklahoma, where Obama's approval rating is in the thirties. My prediction map shows Obama getting clobbered there no matter who the GOP nominee is. Mississippi? It looks better for the GOP than any other Southern state -- only because it hasn't been polled.

My model (a/k/a predictive map) suggests that Obama would lose Arizona and barely scrape by in Colorado -- also counter-intuitive.  Models do that at times.

... In any event the so-called Blue Firewall is intact, with Obama likely to have 290 (which in this model includes Virginia, Nevada, and Ohio among them) or so electoral votes locked up barring catastrophe. That will be enough for a close win, and the rest will at most shape the "character" of the win. For the GOP to get its Presidential nominee elected in 2012, much must change, including the proclivity of eighteen states and DC to vote indiscriminately for Democratic nominees in every Presidential election after 1988.

Also, there will be some interesting Senate races in 2010.  Florida and Ohio have open seats, and apparently Senators  Vitter (R-LA), Thune (R-SD), Murkowski (R-AK), and Bunning (R-KY) will have difficult times defending their seats. The only Democratic Senator in apparent difficulty is Bennet (D-CO). We will have a much better indication how some of those states will vote in 2012 -- in November 2010.  We will also have more arguments, too.   

   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on May 28, 2009, 11:44:50 AM
Obama's approval ratings in November 2012 will determine whether he wins or loses.

Wrong.  Approval ratings have no direct relationship with the percentage of the vote a candidate gets.  This is completely different than predicting baseball because there are no absolute precedents, just relative precedents.  In politics there is no such thing as definite causation.  You can never predict the future in politics because even if you were to somehow know what Obama is going to do and how people have reacted to that in the past, it will never be the same as anything that has happened.  There are too many variables.  That's why peoples' predictions on election day are sometimes wildly off.  Predicting now, especially based on approval ratings, is the most asinine and ridiculous notion in politics.  There is no other reason but hackery to seriously suggest that Obama will win West Virginia, Kentucky, and Louisiana.

I agree, but he doesn't see it that way.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 28, 2009, 11:54:07 AM
Obama's approval ratings in November 2012 will determine whether he wins or loses.

Wrong.  Approval ratings have no direct relationship with the percentage of the vote a candidate gets.  This is completely different than predicting baseball because there are no absolute precedents, just relative precedents.  In politics there is no such thing as definite causation.  You can never predict the future in politics because even if you were to somehow know what Obama is going to do and how people have reacted to that in the past, it will never be the same as anything that has happened.  There are too many variables.  That's why peoples' predictions on election day are sometimes wildly off.  Predicting now, especially based on approval ratings, is the most asinine and ridiculous notion in politics.  There is no other reason but hackery to seriously suggest that Obama will win West Virginia, Kentucky, and Louisiana.

I have shown their limitations in my response -- and I have stated that anything can change. Some changes are more likely than others.

I have explained West Virginia, where Obama now has an approval rating around 60%. Do you argue with that rating?

If anything, my model suggests that the GOP has more chance of getting  trounced in the 2012 Presidential race than of winning, and that should be a fair warning: expend efforts elsewhere, especially in grass-roots efforts to win city council seats and county-wide elections -- and of course to distance itself as much as possible from ideological stances no longer popular and no longer achievable. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on May 28, 2009, 11:58:42 AM
Obama's approval ratings in November 2012 will determine whether he wins or loses.

Wrong.  Approval ratings have no direct relationship with the percentage of the vote a candidate gets.  This is completely different than predicting baseball because there are no absolute precedents, just relative precedents.  In politics there is no such thing as definite causation.  You can never predict the future in politics because even if you were to somehow know what Obama is going to do and how people have reacted to that in the past, it will never be the same as anything that has happened.  There are too many variables.  That's why peoples' predictions on election day are sometimes wildly off.  Predicting now, especially based on approval ratings, is the most asinine and ridiculous notion in politics.  There is no other reason but hackery to seriously suggest that Obama will win West Virginia, Kentucky, and Louisiana.

I have shown their limitations in my response -- and I have stated that anything can change. Some changes are more likely than others.

I have explained West Virginia, where Obama now has an approval rating around 60%. Do you argue with that rating?

If anything, my model suggests that the GOP has more chance of getting  trounced in the 2012 Presidential race than of winning, and that should be a fair warning: expend efforts elsewhere, especially in grass-roots efforts to win city council seats and county-wide elections -- and of course to distance itself as much as possible from ideological stances no longer popular and no longer achievable. 

That WV poll was taking right after Obama took office. You are just a Democratic hack who twist thing to make Obama look better. Next you will be saying Obama will become King and take over the world.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 28, 2009, 12:53:13 PM
Pennsylvania (Quinnipiac University):

62% Approve
31% Disapprove

From May 20 - 26, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,191 Pennsylvania voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.8 percentage points. The survey includes 517 Republicans with a margin of error of +/- 4.3 percentage points and 561 Democrats with a margin of error of +/- 4.1 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1327.xml?ReleaseID=1304


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 28, 2009, 01:02:27 PM

That WV poll was taking right after Obama took office. You are just a Democratic hack who twist thing to make Obama look better. Next you will be saying Obama will become King and take over the world.

My model is flexible. It's worth noting that the commercial polls of early November 2008 got things right. Getting Indiana, North Carolina, Montana, and Missouri wrong wasn't much of a mistake because the polls recognized that predictions for those states were within the margin of error.  As a rule they got the rest right.

Earlier ones seemed to get things as they were at the time.  My model should be recognized for what it says and what it didn't say. I don't predict how things will be in 2012, but I can pick some sure paths of failure for the GOP in 2012 -- like cleaving to ideologies associated with Rove, Cheney, Dubya, DeLay, and the like.

If Obama should fail -- then I have created a model that can illustrate that.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 28, 2009, 01:05:40 PM
Obama support down to 62% in Pennsylvania:


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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on May 28, 2009, 03:39:31 PM
Obama support down to 62% in Pennsylvania:


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Hmm... I find it surprising there is no poll of Montana yet considering how close the results there were.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 28, 2009, 07:21:17 PM
Mississippi and North Dakota would be interesting, too.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: justfollowingtheelections on May 28, 2009, 07:49:50 PM
It isn't really surprising we have no polls from those 3 states.  They don't have any interesting races in 2010 so no one has polled them.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on May 28, 2009, 07:56:49 PM
It isn't really surprising we have no polls from those 3 states.  They don't have any interesting races in 2010 so no one has polled them.

OT but HAHAHA amazing screen name. Google says it exists aswell. lol


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: justfollowingtheelections on May 28, 2009, 08:03:09 PM
It isn't really surprising we have no polls from those 3 states.  They don't have any interesting races in 2010 so no one has polled them.

OT but HAHAHA amazing screen name. Google says it exists aswell. lol

thanks :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 29, 2009, 11:55:04 PM
Rasmussen:

59% (+3) Approve (37% Strongly Approve, +2)
40% (-3) Disapprove (27% Strongly Disapprove, -2)

"That’s the highest level of overall approval since March."

Gallup:

64% Approve (nc)
29% Disapprove (-1)

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New Jersey (Research 2000/DailyKos):

69% Favorable
26% Unfavorable

The Research 2000 New Jersey Poll was conducted from May 25 through May 27, 2009. A total of 600 likely voters who vote regularly in state elections were interviewed statewide by telephone.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/5/27/NJ/306


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 30, 2009, 01:10:57 AM
Just like Carter!  Good path to be following. ;)

And even is he is like Carter (which I doubt), the Republicans have nobody like Reagan for '12.

They just don't have ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on May 30, 2009, 01:21:35 AM
Just like Carter!  Good path to be following. ;)
America doesn't need another Reagan. :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 30, 2009, 09:05:57 AM
Just like Carter!  Good path to be following. ;)

Obama's political skills (including his ability to get his point across) better resemble those of Ronald Reagan than those of Jimmy Carter. Carter barely became President, defeating a weak incumbent.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on May 30, 2009, 09:09:10 AM
Just like Carter!  Good path to be following. ;)

And even is he is like Carter (which I doubt), the Republicans have nobody like Reagan for '12.

They just don't have ...

My dog could've beaten Carter, easily (and he's not the brightest dog either).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 30, 2009, 09:12:15 AM
I love how liberals hate Reagan, but always want to compare themselves to him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 30, 2009, 12:16:26 PM
I love how liberals hate Reagan, but always want to compare themselves to him.

We may have despised much of what Ronald Reagan stood for, but we find his techniques more effective -- and less troublesome -- than those of Dubya.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: GLPman on May 30, 2009, 12:53:02 PM
I love how liberals hate Reagan, but always want to compare themselves to him.

You hit the nail right on the head.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on May 30, 2009, 05:08:10 PM
I love how liberals hate Reagan, but always want to compare themselves to him.

Well, they hated Goldwater too but they have no problem admitting that they copied his tactics.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lunar on May 30, 2009, 05:09:46 PM
I love how liberals hate Reagan, but always want to compare themselves to him.

Why not?  It's hard to deny that he was a successful politician that inspired a lot of people, was an effective communicator for his beliefs, and, despite being an ideologue, and won hella electoral votes what WHAAAT


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on May 31, 2009, 11:20:07 AM
I love how liberals hate Reagan, but always want to compare themselves to him.

You hit the nail right on the head.
^^^^


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lunar on May 31, 2009, 11:46:59 AM
thanks for another insightful contribution


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 31, 2009, 11:49:08 AM
thanks for another insightful contribution

Agreeing with my posts is always insightful. :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on May 31, 2009, 01:11:49 PM
I went back and will show the trends month by month of Obama's approval ratings. (Green approve, Blue Disapprove)

January 09

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February 09

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March 09
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April 09

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May 09

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on June 01, 2009, 07:32:57 AM
I love how liberals hate Reagan, but always want to compare themselves to him.

You mean the same way conservative politicians compare themselves with FDR, Truman and JFK?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on June 01, 2009, 01:13:47 PM
WV: PPP poll (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_WV_601.pdf)

Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance? If you
approve, press 1. If you disapprove, press 2.
If you’re not sure, press 3.
Approve ................. 39%
Disapprove............. 50%
Not Sure................. 10%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on June 01, 2009, 01:15:21 PM
I went back and will show the trends month by month of Obama's approval ratings. (Green approve, Blue Disapprove)

January 09

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February 09

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March 09
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April 09

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May 09

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June 09(So far)

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 01, 2009, 01:28:58 PM
The most recent poll for Alabama shows a 58% approval rating. That may be counter-intuitive.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on June 01, 2009, 01:31:51 PM
The most recent poll for Alabama shows a 58% approval rating. That may be counter-intuitive.



Link?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on June 01, 2009, 01:43:54 PM
I love how liberals hate Reagan, but always want to compare themselves to him.

You mean the same way conservative politicians compare themselves with FDR, Truman and JFK?

Oh Quayle. ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: minionofmidas on June 01, 2009, 01:54:38 PM
The most recent poll for Alabama shows a 58% approval rating. That may be counter-intuitive.



Link?
Can't seem to find a poll like that. There was a poll with Obama at 60% approval of Alabama once, but that was right around inauguration day. The newest poll I found was 48% app, 49% disapproval, which I figure is probably the one actually shown in your map.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on June 01, 2009, 01:55:46 PM
The most recent poll for Alabama shows a 58% approval rating. That may be counter-intuitive.



Link?
Can't seem to find a poll like that. There was a poll with Obama at 60% approval of Alabama once, but that was right around inauguration day. The newest poll I found was 48% app, 49% disapproval, which I figure is probably the one actually shown in your map.

Yep.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 01, 2009, 02:31:29 PM
Here is the poll, like it or not. I am not familiar with the polling agency, but until someone discredits it I go with it, just as I go with some polls that suggest that Colorado is weak in support for Obama:

Alabama (Anzalone-Liszt Research (D) for Artur Davis, 600 LV, May 5-9):

"58 percent of voters approve of Obama's performance, including 46 percent of white voters.  In addition, 87 percent of white Democrats and 57 percent of independents approve of Obama’s performance."

http://www.arturdavis2010.com/release_details.asp?id=65

Interesting, because the last Alabama poll by SUSA (600 adults) had Obama at only 48%.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=c643766a-9eb3-42a5-a1ce-38215e0aa02b

It's almost a month old, but one poll a month from Alabama is about the most that anyone can expect.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 01, 2009, 02:35:01 PM
Here is the poll, like it or not. I am not familiar with the polling agency, but until someone discredits it I go with it, just as I go with some polls that suggest that Colorado is weak in support for Obama:

Alabama (Anzalone-Liszt Research (D) for Artur Davis, 600 LV, May 5-9):

"58 percent of voters approve of Obama's performance, including 46 percent of white voters.  In addition, 87 percent of white Democrats and 57 percent of independents approve of Obama’s performance."

http://www.arturdavis2010.com/release_details.asp?id=65

Interesting, because the last Alabama poll by SUSA (600 adults) had Obama at only 48%.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=c643766a-9eb3-42a5-a1ce-38215e0aa02b

It's almost a month old, but one poll a month from Alabama is about the most that anyone can expect.

Artur Davis is running for a Congressional seat in 2010 as a Democrat.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on June 01, 2009, 02:56:13 PM
Here is the poll, like it or not. I am not familiar with the polling agency, but until someone discredits it I go with it, just as I go with some polls that suggest that Colorado is weak in support for Obama:

Alabama (Anzalone-Liszt Research (D) for Artur Davis, 600 LV, May 5-9):

"58 percent of voters approve of Obama's performance, including 46 percent of white voters.  In addition, 87 percent of white Democrats and 57 percent of independents approve of Obama’s performance."

http://www.arturdavis2010.com/release_details.asp?id=65

Interesting, because the last Alabama poll by SUSA (600 adults) had Obama at only 48%.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=c643766a-9eb3-42a5-a1ce-38215e0aa02b

It's almost a month old, but one poll a month from Alabama is about the most that anyone can expect.

Artur Davis is running for a Congressional seat in 2010 as a Democrat.

That is a campagin run poll, most people don't really look at them.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: minionofmidas on June 01, 2009, 02:58:33 PM
Artur Davis is running for a Congressional seat in 2010 as a Democrat.
Actually, he currently holds a Congressional seat. He's running for Governor.

Here is the poll, like it or not. I am not familiar with the polling agency, but until someone discredits it I go with it, just as I go with some polls that suggest that Colorado is weak in support for Obama:

Alabama (Anzalone-Liszt Research (D) for Artur Davis, 600 LV, May 5-9):

"58 percent of voters approve of Obama's performance, including 46 percent of white voters.  In addition, 87 percent of white Democrats and 57 percent of independents approve of Obama’s performance."

http://www.arturdavis2010.com/release_details.asp?id=65

Interesting, because the last Alabama poll by SUSA (600 adults) had Obama at only 48%.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=c643766a-9eb3-42a5-a1ce-38215e0aa02b

It's almost a month old, but one poll a month from Alabama is about the most that anyone can expect.

Artur Davis is running for a Congressional seat in 2010 as a Democrat.

That is a campagin run poll, most people don't really look at them.
It's still a poll.
I don't know your standard for including polls here, and care not whether it is included or not, but his statement appears to have been correct. You might admit as much, too.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on June 01, 2009, 03:43:40 PM
Well, if we're going to be cross-comparing pollsters, indiscriminately suborning uni polls, and juxtaposing polls conducted months apart as if it were a current snapshot...what the hell, Artur Davis's polling team can come on board too! :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 01, 2009, 11:34:09 PM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/118970/Among-Workers-Service-Employees-Rate-Obama-Highest.aspx

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Transport workers is kind of surprising, since bus/subway/taxi drivers would generally be working class and/or minority, I'd think.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 02, 2009, 05:57:53 PM
There was a SurveyUSA Alabama poll which would obviously be more credible than a published "internal" poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 04, 2009, 12:57:00 PM
New Jersey (Rasmussen, 500 LV, June 3):

60% Approve
40% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2009/new_jersey/toplines/toplines_new_jersey_governor_june_3_2009

Quinnipiac University

59% Approve
31% Disapprove

From May 26 - June 1, Quinnipiac University surveyed 3,097 registered voters nationwide with a margin of error of +/- 1.8 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1308

Democracy Corps (May 28 - June 1, 1013 LV)

58% Approve
33% Disapprove

http://www.democracycorps.com/wp-content/files/dcor060109fq7-web.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 04, 2009, 02:31:13 PM
Two polls for NJ today, 59% and 60% approval:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 04, 2009, 02:37:50 PM
Two polls for NJ today, 59% and 60% approval:

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It would be interesting to see some more polls for Southern states.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on June 04, 2009, 02:45:51 PM
Two polls for NJ today, 59% and 60% approval:

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It would be interesting to see some more polls for Southern states.

Arizona is bizarre. Was the poll an outlier? Is the abnormally conservative Phoenix the reason? Or is there bitterness over McCain's defeat?

Another surprise is Colorado. As a resident, I can see Obama having these approvals, but I don't think it's likely.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 04, 2009, 03:00:32 PM
Those approval ratings are getting old, and they surprise me even more than do the astonishingly-high approval ratings for Obama in much of the South. The state most similar to either of them in politics (Nevada) gives a strong positive approval for Obama.

Obama would probably lose Colorado with a 50-50 split of the popular vote, but win Arizona, which McCain won by a margin smaller than the usual benefit of a Favorite Son effect. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 04, 2009, 03:52:13 PM
That 59% from Quinnipiac was nationally, not in NJ.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: minionofmidas on June 04, 2009, 04:04:02 PM
There was a SurveyUSA Alabama poll which would obviously be more credible than a published "internal" poll.
But older.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on June 04, 2009, 09:53:25 PM
Two polls for NJ today, 59% and 60% approval:

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And people think Obama can win over Arizona in 2012 and hold onto Colorado?  Doubt that, I think Obama will flip Missouri and South Dakota before the other two according to the polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Verily on June 04, 2009, 09:58:18 PM
Yes, because of one approval rating poll, Obama will lose Colorado.

Stop overanalyzing the approval ratings. You're not helping yourselves become decent political analysts; you're just looking like fools.

::)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on June 04, 2009, 10:24:08 PM
Yes, because of one approval rating poll, Obama will lose Colorado.

Stop overanalyzing the approval ratings. You're not helping yourselves become decent political analysts; you're just looking like fools.

::)

That one Colorado poll was also highly questionable.  Do you think only 23% of Hispanics really approve of Obama there?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on June 04, 2009, 10:35:31 PM
Yes, because of one approval rating poll, Obama will lose Colorado.

Stop overanalyzing the approval ratings. You're not helping yourselves become decent political analysts; you're just looking like fools.

::)

Wait... some people here don't look like fools?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on June 04, 2009, 11:12:06 PM
Two polls for NJ today, 59% and 60% approval:

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And people think Obama can win over Arizona in 2012 and hold onto Colorado?  Doubt that, I think Obama will flip Missouri and South Dakota before the other two according to the polls.

Yeah, I think you can agree as a fellow resident that the mountain west has an aversion to big government. However, I think if the GOP nominates, say, Huckabee, Obama will still win Colorado and Arizona. However, a candidate popular in the west like Romney or Huntsman could keep these states.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on June 04, 2009, 11:21:19 PM
Don't get me wrong, I think Huckabee would be a good candidate, but I still prefer Romney to run in 2012 against Obama.  Only one can hope for that to happen, still too early to predict.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 05, 2009, 08:17:15 AM
Yes, because of one approval rating poll, Obama will lose Colorado.

Stop overanalyzing the approval ratings. You're not helping yourselves become decent political analysts; you're just looking like fools.

::)

That one Colorado poll was also highly questionable.  Do you think only 23% of Hispanics really approve of Obama there?

Not sure where you pulled those numbers from, probably your ass. He was at 58% among Hispanics in the poll.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_CO_421.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 05, 2009, 09:00:06 AM
After getting his best results in a while, Rasmussen today shows Obama with his worst approvals so far:

54% Approve
46% Disapprove

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 34% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-four percent (34%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of 0. That’s the highest level of strong disapproval and the lowest overall rating yet recorded."

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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 05, 2009, 09:40:16 AM
Florida (Strategic Vision, 1200 Likely Voters, May 29-31):

60% Approve

http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2009/06/05/fl-poll-crist-cruising-to-sen-gov-race-tight/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on June 05, 2009, 12:07:55 PM
After getting his best results in a while, Rasmussen today shows Obama with his worst approvals so far:

54% Approve
46% Disapprove

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 34% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-four percent (34%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of 0. That’s the highest level of strong disapproval and the lowest overall rating yet recorded."

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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

These numbers don't make sense based on the state by state numbers. With Obama still getting huge approval ratings in most recent state polls, particuarly those with larger populations, all of the unpolled and not recently polled states would've had to slip to 70-80% disapproval for these national numbers to add up.

Outlier


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 05, 2009, 12:22:37 PM
After getting his best results in a while, Rasmussen today shows Obama with his worst approvals so far:

54% Approve
46% Disapprove

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 34% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-four percent (34%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of 0. That’s the highest level of strong disapproval and the lowest overall rating yet recorded."

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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

These numbers don't make sense based on the state by state numbers. With Obama still getting huge approval ratings in most recent state polls, particuarly those with larger populations, all of the unpolled and not recently polled states would've had to slip to 70-80% disapproval for these national numbers to add up.

Outlier

You can't compare state numbers from other firms to Rasmussen as they each use a different polling method. Rasmussen just had Obama at 60% in NJ, so a 54% national rating based off of that, is hardly unreasonable.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on June 05, 2009, 01:29:11 PM
I think his Rasmussen numbers will bounce back. I don't think they'll hit the 60's any time soon, but I don't think people are completely fed up with him just yet. It's very possible that yesterday was an outlier.

Lookng at the trends, it does seem to be more partisan than the previous days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on June 05, 2009, 03:38:52 PM
After getting his best results in a while, Rasmussen today shows Obama with his worst approvals so far:

54% Approve
46% Disapprove

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 34% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-four percent (34%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of 0. That’s the highest level of strong disapproval and the lowest overall rating yet recorded."

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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

There is no way that there are absolutely zero undecideds.  Majorly flawed poll. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on June 05, 2009, 03:42:30 PM
After getting his best results in a while, Rasmussen today shows Obama with his worst approvals so far:

54% Approve
46% Disapprove

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 34% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-four percent (34%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of 0. That’s the highest level of strong disapproval and the lowest overall rating yet recorded."

()

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

There is no way that there are absolutely zero undecideds.  Majorly flawed poll. 

He was one of the most accurate pollsters in the last several elections. This is also not among adults but likely voters. Majorly flawed post.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on June 05, 2009, 03:57:06 PM
After getting his best results in a while, Rasmussen today shows Obama with his worst approvals so far:

54% Approve
46% Disapprove

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 34% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-four percent (34%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of 0. That’s the highest level of strong disapproval and the lowest overall rating yet recorded."

()

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

There is no way that there are absolutely zero undecideds.  Majorly flawed poll. 

He was one of the most accurate pollsters in the last several elections. This is also not among adults but likely voters. Majorly flawed post.

He was almost never right with Bush's approval ratings.  All throughout 2006 when Bush's ratings were around 30% in most polls, Rasmussen consistantly had him in the mid 40's. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on June 05, 2009, 04:32:36 PM
After getting his best results in a while, Rasmussen today shows Obama with his worst approvals so far:

54% Approve
46% Disapprove

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 34% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-four percent (34%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of 0. That’s the highest level of strong disapproval and the lowest overall rating yet recorded."

()

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

There is no way that there are absolutely zero undecideds.  Majorly flawed poll. 

He was one of the most accurate pollsters in the last several elections. This is also not among adults but likely voters. Majorly flawed post.

He was almost never right with Bush's approval ratings.  All throughout 2006 when Bush's ratings were around 30% in most polls, Rasmussen consistantly had him in the mid 40's. 

Way to not read what I typed...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on June 05, 2009, 04:43:19 PM
After getting his best results in a while, Rasmussen today shows Obama with his worst approvals so far:

54% Approve
46% Disapprove

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 34% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-four percent (34%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of 0. That’s the highest level of strong disapproval and the lowest overall rating yet recorded."

()

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

There is no way that there are absolutely zero undecideds.  Majorly flawed poll. 

He was one of the most accurate pollsters in the last several elections. This is also not among adults but likely voters. Majorly flawed post.

He was almost never right with Bush's approval ratings.  All throughout 2006 when Bush's ratings were around 30% in most polls, Rasmussen consistantly had him in the mid 40's. 

Way to not read what I typed...

My point is that he is good with election polling, but not good with approval and issue polling. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 05, 2009, 05:26:37 PM
Sorry, but you can't be "right" polling approval ratings. There's no such thing. It's something that cannot be verified.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on June 05, 2009, 05:45:23 PM
Sorry, but you can't be "right" polling approval ratings. There's no such thing. It's something that cannot be verified.

For some reason his approval and issue polling usually comes out around five to ten points more favorable to Republicans than other polling. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Duke on June 05, 2009, 05:46:08 PM
My suspicion is that Rassmussen's numbers dipped down because people aren't in love with the GM takeover.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 05, 2009, 05:50:18 PM
Sorry, but you can't be "right" polling approval ratings. There's no such thing. It's something that cannot be verified.

For some reason his approval and issue polling usually comes out around five to ten points more favorable to Republicans than other polling. 

He uses a Likely Voters, while others poll adults.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mechaman on June 05, 2009, 05:50:52 PM
I think his Rasmussen numbers will bounce back. I don't think they'll hit the 60's any time soon, but I don't think people are completely fed up with him just yet. It's very possible that yesterday was an outlier.

Lookng at the trends, it does seem to be more partisan than the previous days.

Agreed.  Plus look at what's listed: "Strongly Approve" and "Strongly Disapprove". It looks like it only has the polls of people who have strong convictions about their opinion about Obama and not fencesitters. The cumulative "Agree" or "Disagree" percentages could be higher or lower.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 05, 2009, 05:57:14 PM
Also he uses an IVR poll, most other pollsters use a live interviewer. PPP has consistently found the same results as Rasmussen(they are also IVR and they are a D pollster).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on June 05, 2009, 06:00:10 PM
All of this talk is stupid. You can't assume things based on three or four approval rating polls and then make very baseless assumptions about the rest of the country. I do think Obama's approval ratings will consistently be heading down until it seems clear that the economy is beginning to recover though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on June 05, 2009, 06:20:57 PM
My suspicion is that Rassmussen's numbers dipped down because people aren't in love with the GM takeover.

What do you suggest then, leave GM to fail and cause another economic crisis?  If he ratings went down because of this, the American people are too stupid to know how the economy works. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 05, 2009, 06:22:45 PM
My suspicion is that Rassmussen's numbers dipped down because people aren't in love with the GM takeover.

What do you suggest then, leave GM to fail and cause another economic crisis?  If he ratings went down because of this, the American people are too stupid to know how the economy works. 

How exactly would it cause an economic crisis? You liquidate it and sell it off piece by piece. Do you seriously think the government can run a car company? When is the last time the government has done anything right?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on June 05, 2009, 06:36:26 PM
My suspicion is that Rassmussen's numbers dipped down because people aren't in love with the GM takeover.

What do you suggest then, leave GM to fail and cause another economic crisis?  If he ratings went down because of this, the American people are too stupid to know how the economy works. 

How exactly would it cause an economic crisis? You liquidate it and sell it off piece by piece. Do you seriously think the government can run a car company? When is the last time the government has done anything right?

January 20th, lol


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 05, 2009, 06:39:25 PM
Sorry, but you can't be "right" polling approval ratings. There's no such thing. It's something that cannot be verified.

For some reason his approval and issue polling usually comes out around five to ten points more favorable to Republicans than other polling. 

He uses a Likely Voters, while others poll adults.

"Likely Voters" implies those who voted in the previous election. Some of the voters of 2012 are now only 14 years old. Should the youth vote behave differently from the rest of the vote, then an approval rating can badly distort the likely vote.    


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 05, 2009, 06:45:11 PM
Sorry, but you can't be "right" polling approval ratings. There's no such thing. It's something that cannot be verified.

For some reason his approval and issue polling usually comes out around five to ten points more favorable to Republicans than other polling. 

He uses a Likely Voters, while others poll adults.

"Likely Voters" implies those who voted in the previous election. Some of the voters of 2012 are now only 14 years old. Should the youth vote behave differently from the rest of the vote, then an approval rating can badly distort the likely vote.    

That makes zero sense. An adult poll wouldn't poll that person either.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 05, 2009, 07:56:28 PM
Sorry, but you can't be "right" polling approval ratings. There's no such thing. It's something that cannot be verified.

For some reason his approval and issue polling usually comes out around five to ten points more favorable to Republicans than other polling. 

He uses a Likely Voters, while others poll adults.

"Likely Voters" implies those who voted in the previous election. Some of the voters of 2012 are now only 14 years old. Should the youth vote behave differently from the rest of the vote, then an approval rating can badly distort the likely vote.    

That makes zero sense. An adult poll wouldn't poll that person either.

It also shows how the chance of Obama winning the Presidency was so badly underestimated until late in October.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Duke on June 05, 2009, 10:05:51 PM
My suspicion is that Rassmussen's numbers dipped down because people aren't in love with the GM takeover.

What do you suggest then, leave GM to fail and cause another economic crisis?  If he ratings went down because of this, the American people are too stupid to know how the economy works. 

How exactly would it cause an economic crisis? You liquidate it and sell it off piece by piece. Do you seriously think the government can run a car company? When is the last time the government has done anything right?

He appears not to understand how bankruptcy works.  If GM filed for bankruptcy in the traditional Chapter 11 (Instead of the version of Chapter 11 they entered into under the federal government's plan), a bankruptcy judge would simply rewrite the terms of the union contract and shrink the brand lines down based on a standard of reasonableness.  The company would restructure and become solvent again.  GM would not go away.

Instead, we've got the government taking over a car company without doing the things that need to be done to make it competitive.  The government will now subsidize make-work jobs at above market wages for the President's labor union backers so Obama can win Michigan in 2012.

In the process, we have prevented companies like Tesla and Magna (Small electrical car manufacturers) from having a fair chance to expand and take over GM's market share.  GM will have massive govenrment aid in retaining its market share and these smaller more agile companies that haven't run themselves into the ground will never have a chance to compete fairly.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on June 05, 2009, 10:45:24 PM
My suspicion is that Rassmussen's numbers dipped down because people aren't in love with the GM takeover.

What do you suggest then, leave GM to fail and cause another economic crisis?  If he ratings went down because of this, the American people are too stupid to know how the economy works. 

How exactly would it cause an economic crisis? You liquidate it and sell it off piece by piece. Do you seriously think the government can run a car company? When is the last time the government has done anything right?

It would have had a similar affect that letting Lehman fail had on the economy. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Nhoj on June 06, 2009, 12:21:24 AM
this isnt really the place to discuss GM people.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 06, 2009, 07:35:33 AM
Rasmussen

Approve 53%(-1)
Disapprove 47%(+1)



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on June 06, 2009, 09:49:31 AM
Rasmussen

Approve 53%(-1)
Disapprove 47%(+1)



I guess that means he's officially down to election day levels.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on June 06, 2009, 07:25:07 PM
Rasmussen

Approve 53%(-1)
Disapprove 47%(+1)



I guess that means he's officially down to election day levels.

According to one (and only one) pollster.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 06, 2009, 07:29:06 PM
Well Zogby has him at 51%....


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on June 06, 2009, 07:36:22 PM

Zogby Internet, there is a massive difference between Zogby's normal polls and the internet polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rob on June 06, 2009, 07:42:34 PM

lol

Zogby Internet, there is a massive difference between Zogby's normal polls and the internet polls.

Yeah. One is garbage and the other is shit


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 06, 2009, 11:41:47 PM

Interactive polls are so easy to manipulate that they are worthless.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on June 06, 2009, 11:47:00 PM
Rasmussen

Approve 53%(-1)
Disapprove 47%(+1)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMqfBlMjU0A


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on June 06, 2009, 11:51:49 PM
Rasmussen had him at 65% on the day after inauguration.

In late January, he was at 69% for Gallup.

A fall is a fall.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Beet on June 06, 2009, 11:56:00 PM
My suspicion is that Rassmussen's numbers dipped down because people aren't in love with the GM takeover.

What do you suggest then, leave GM to fail and cause another economic crisis?  If he ratings went down because of this, the American people are too stupid to know how the economy works. 

How exactly would it cause an economic crisis? You liquidate it and sell it off piece by piece. Do you seriously think the government can run a car company? When is the last time the government has done anything right?

He appears not to understand how bankruptcy works.  If GM filed for bankruptcy in the traditional Chapter 11 (Instead of the version of Chapter 11 they entered into under the federal government's plan), a bankruptcy judge would simply rewrite the terms of the union contract and shrink the brand lines down based on a standard of reasonableness.  The company would restructure and become solvent again.  GM would not go away.

Instead, we've got the government taking over a car company without doing the things that need to be done to make it competitive.  The government will now subsidize make-work jobs at above market wages for the President's labor union backers so Obama can win Michigan in 2012.

In the process, we have prevented companies like Tesla and Magna (Small electrical car manufacturers) from having a fair chance to expand and take over GM's market share.  GM will have massive govenrment aid in retaining its market share and these smaller more agile companies that haven't run themselves into the ground will never have a chance to compete fairly.

Have you been even following this story at all? There is no DIP financing for GM (or indeed for many companies) out there right now, thanks to the global economic crisis. The kind of Chapter 11 bankruptcy you are talking about is a fantasy. The alternative to nationalization was total liquidation.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 07, 2009, 12:01:55 AM
Rasmussen had him at 65% on the day after inauguration.

In late January, he was at 69% for Gallup.

A fall is a fall.

Of course he's going to fall from his approval ratings right after his inauguration. That should have been the high point of his approvals, at least until some major positive news event happens.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on June 07, 2009, 12:02:49 AM

Oh, the poll that had him under 50% some months ago? Sorry, I guess I meant one real pollster.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on June 07, 2009, 12:15:22 AM
Rasmussen had him at 65% on the day after inauguration.

In late January, he was at 69% for Gallup.

A fall is a fall.

Of course he's going to fall from his approval ratings right after his inauguration. That should have been the high point of his approvals, at least until some major positive news event happens.

Then people shouldn't complain about Ras's findings. Some people took the GM bankruptcy thing a bit hard. It's not rocket science to see it as a potential cause for numbers dropping.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on June 07, 2009, 12:21:18 AM
I've yet to find a non-political person who really knows anything of or cares at all about the GM situation.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on June 07, 2009, 12:22:59 AM
I've yet to find a non-political person who really knows anything of or cares at all about the GM situation.

That's kind of the point actually.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on June 07, 2009, 12:25:59 AM
The point is that Rasmussen should stop using a likely voter model in an off-year.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on June 07, 2009, 12:38:19 AM
The point is that Rasmussen should stop using a likely voter model in an off-year.
It's better than an adult poll.

I really don't see a problem with a likely voter poll, anyway. People were complaining about it, during the election season, too.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Duke on June 07, 2009, 05:13:43 AM
My suspicion is that Rassmussen's numbers dipped down because people aren't in love with the GM takeover.

What do you suggest then, leave GM to fail and cause another economic crisis?  If he ratings went down because of this, the American people are too stupid to know how the economy works. 

How exactly would it cause an economic crisis? You liquidate it and sell it off piece by piece. Do you seriously think the government can run a car company? When is the last time the government has done anything right?

He appears not to understand how bankruptcy works.  If GM filed for bankruptcy in the traditional Chapter 11 (Instead of the version of Chapter 11 they entered into under the federal government's plan), a bankruptcy judge would simply rewrite the terms of the union contract and shrink the brand lines down based on a standard of reasonableness.  The company would restructure and become solvent again.  GM would not go away.

Instead, we've got the government taking over a car company without doing the things that need to be done to make it competitive.  The government will now subsidize make-work jobs at above market wages for the President's labor union backers so Obama can win Michigan in 2012.

In the process, we have prevented companies like Tesla and Magna (Small electrical car manufacturers) from having a fair chance to expand and take over GM's market share.  GM will have massive govenrment aid in retaining its market share and these smaller more agile companies that haven't run themselves into the ground will never have a chance to compete fairly.

Have you been even following this story at all? There is no DIP financing for GM (or indeed for many companies) out there right now, thanks to the global economic crisis. The kind of Chapter 11 bankruptcy you are talking about is a fantasy. The alternative to nationalization was total liquidation.

Nhoj is actually right that this is not the place to discuss GM, but I have to say that if there is no DIP financing available, then that is a good sign the company can never be viable and it should be allowed to fail and go into liquidation.  If no lenders want a piece of this taxpayers shouldn't want a piece of it either and we've just sunk another couple of billion down a rat hole.  If no one will be a DIP lender to GM then our choice is simply between GM failing now and GM failing later.  I say its cheaper to let it fail now.

But I don't think the issue was financing becuase the banks have more cash on their balance sheet than at any point in a long time.  Further, the government basically owns the banks, too, so a call from Tim Geithner to Jamie Dimon would have been able to produce some DIP financinf, no?  The White House hasn't shied away from using the fact that they own the banks to push their political agenda before. 

But the issue is not and never was DIP financing.  The money could have been gotten, either by GM finding fnancing or by having Treasury throw their elbows around to get the financing.  And if the issue was a lack of financing, the government could have simply provided the financing.  They could have given GM a loan as a stand-in for a bank.  Instead, the government decided to buy a goddam car company.

The issue was never the availablity of financing.  The issue is that the administration wanted to avoid the rewriting of union contracts that would have occurred under a real Chapter 11 process.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on June 07, 2009, 07:38:36 AM
The point is that Rasmussen should stop using a likely voter model in an off-year.
It's better than an adult poll.

I really don't see a problem with a likely voter poll, anyway. People were complaining about it, during the election season, too.

Really? Who?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 07, 2009, 08:19:11 AM
Until PPP stops showing similar results, it's hard to call Rasmussen an outlier.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pogo stick on June 07, 2009, 10:42:43 AM
I highly doubt Obama still has 60% + Approvals for doing nothing productive in the entire time as president. It'll be funny if the pollsters show Obama's #'s go up if GM or Chrysler close down.

All these polls are B.S , you can thank the media for that :D


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on June 07, 2009, 10:45:02 AM
I highly doubt Obama still has 60% + Approvals for doing nothing productive in the entire time as president. It'll be funny if the pollsters show Obama's #'s go up if GM or Chrysler close down.

All these polls are B.S , you can thank the media for that :D

How old are you? Just curious.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 08, 2009, 08:45:34 AM
Rasmussen is back up to 56-43 (+3, -3) and +7 again.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pogo stick on June 08, 2009, 09:12:59 AM
I highly doubt Obama still has 60% + Approvals for doing nothing productive in the entire time as president. It'll be funny if the pollsters show Obama's #'s go up if GM or Chrysler close down.

All these polls are B.S , you can thank the media for that :D

How old are you? Just curious.

14.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on June 08, 2009, 09:35:15 AM
Rasmussen is back up to 56-43 (+3, -3) and +7 again.

Yeah, the one outlier came off.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smash255 on June 08, 2009, 12:15:01 PM
I highly doubt Obama still has 60% + Approvals for doing nothing productive in the entire time as president. It'll be funny if the pollsters show Obama's #'s go up if GM or Chrysler close down.

All these polls are B.S , you can thank the media for that :D

How old are you? Just curious.

14.


Ahhh......


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 08, 2009, 04:23:21 PM
I highly doubt Obama still has 60% + Approvals for doing nothing productive in the entire time as president. It'll be funny if the pollsters show Obama's #'s go up if GM or Chrysler close down.

All these polls are B.S , you can thank the media for that :D

How old are you? Just curious.

14.

You have some growing up to do before you can join the armed services, use cancerweed or stupidwater products, drive a motor vehicle, attend college, view R-rated movies without an adult parent or guardian, or vote.  You will surely find out by then why your Jewish ancestors typically had political views diametrically opposite yours.

May God bless you with much more wisdom before you get any real responsibilities.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 08, 2009, 08:22:13 PM
Marist

Approve 56%
Disapprove 32%

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/majority-lauds-obamas-overall-job-performance/

"However, fervor among younger voters has died down.  In those previous polls, 18 to 29 year olds tipped the scales toward the president’s positive approval ratings with his rating among this group in the seventies.  The current proportion of voters within this age group who approve of President Obama’s performance — 61% — is just slightly higher than registered voters in general."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on June 08, 2009, 08:37:23 PM
Marist

Approve 56%
Disapprove 32%

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/majority-lauds-obamas-overall-job-performance/

"However, fervor among younger voters has died down.  In those previous polls, 18 to 29 year olds tipped the scales toward the president’s positive approval ratings with his rating among this group in the seventies.  The current proportion of voters within this age group who approve of President Obama’s performance — 61% — is just slightly higher than registered voters in general."

Just as I have been predicting. Once the overly idealistic youth sees that Obama's big government policies won't work, and the Obama loses his novelty, they will start to defect from him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: justfollowingtheelections on June 08, 2009, 09:49:36 PM
Marist

Approve 56%
Disapprove 32%

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/majority-lauds-obamas-overall-job-performance/

"However, fervor among younger voters has died down.  In those previous polls, 18 to 29 year olds tipped the scales toward the president’s positive approval ratings with his rating among this group in the seventies.  The current proportion of voters within this age group who approve of President Obama’s performance — 61% — is just slightly higher than registered voters in general."

Just as I have been predicting. Once the overly idealistic youth sees that Obama's big government policies won't work, and the Obama loses his novelty, they will start to defect from him.


I highly doubt fervor among young voters has died down because of Obama's "big government" policies.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 08, 2009, 11:58:52 PM
Nah, we youngsters love the socialism.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on June 09, 2009, 04:47:05 AM
Marist

Approve 56%
Disapprove 32%

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/majority-lauds-obamas-overall-job-performance/

"However, fervor among younger voters has died down.  In those previous polls, 18 to 29 year olds tipped the scales toward the president’s positive approval ratings with his rating among this group in the seventies.  The current proportion of voters within this age group who approve of President Obama’s performance — 61% — is just slightly higher than registered voters in general."

Just as I have been predicting. Once the overly idealistic youth sees that Obama's big government policies won't work, and the Obama loses his novelty, they will start to defect from him.

Yeah, I'm sure the Chrysler bailout killed him among youngsters. ::)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 09, 2009, 05:56:46 AM
I think it's most likely just a case of "It's summer dude, let's go to the beach and get wasted. That would be soo cool! Wait, I need to take this survey first?  the government!"


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 09, 2009, 11:02:22 AM
Rasmussen today:

58% Approve (+2)
41% Disapprove (-2)

So the 53-47 was really an outlier ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 09, 2009, 11:09:26 AM
Marist

Approve 56%
Disapprove 32%

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/majority-lauds-obamas-overall-job-performance/

"However, fervor among younger voters has died down.  In those previous polls, 18 to 29 year olds tipped the scales toward the president’s positive approval ratings with his rating among this group in the seventies.  The current proportion of voters within this age group who approve of President Obama’s performance — 61% — is just slightly higher than registered voters in general."

Just as I have been predicting. Once the overly idealistic youth sees that Obama's big government policies won't work, and the Obama loses his novelty, they will start to defect from him.

Youthful idealism has a way of becoming middle-aged pragmatism, but that takes time. That pragmatism may preserve practices that once seemed outside the range of possibility.

We are thrust into the need for Big Government as the only possible solution for stopping an economic meltdown. Government choices got us into the predicament, and government choices either get us out or get us in worse. At the least, Obama has reversed the bad trends that his predecessor promoted.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pogo stick on June 09, 2009, 11:11:51 AM
I highly doubt Obama still has 60% + Approvals for doing nothing productive in the entire time as president. It'll be funny if the pollsters show Obama's #'s go up if GM or Chrysler close down.

All these polls are B.S , you can thank the media for that :D

How old are you? Just curious.

14.

You have some growing up to do before you can join the armed services, use cancerweed or stupidwater products, drive a motor vehicle, attend college, view R-rated movies without an adult parent or guardian, or vote.  You will surely find out by then why your Jewish ancestors typically had political views diametrically opposite yours.

May God bless you with much more wisdom before you get any real responsibilities.



oh...yes, I'll find out why Jews are so far-left that christians support Israel more  then  some Jews.

oh.. wait I already know why... because they want the "Treat specialer then christians" treatment

Just cause i'm a Jew It doesn't mean i'll start voting stupidly like most American Jews. Isralei Jews are also more Conservative BTW.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 09, 2009, 11:33:12 AM
Alabama (Public Policy Polling):

45% Approve
47% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 667 Alabama voters from June 2nd to 5th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-3.8%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_AL_609.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 09, 2009, 11:42:14 AM
Update:


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The 58% approval for Obama in Alabama a few weeks ago now looks like an outlier.  But note that PPP, who related this poll, says that a 45% approval rating in a state that Obama got only 39% of the vote in is still a big gain.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 09, 2009, 11:51:45 AM
Don't know what's up with SurveyUSA. They used to release their monthly approval polls by the end of each month and the May numbers are still missing ...

As for AL, Obama won't win it in 2012 ... :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 09, 2009, 12:20:08 PM
Today's Gallup:

61% Approve (-1)
34% Disapprove (+2)

Probably the closest Rasmussen and Gallup have been for a while now ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on June 09, 2009, 03:32:18 PM
Marist

Approve 56%
Disapprove 32%

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/majority-lauds-obamas-overall-job-performance/

"However, fervor among younger voters has died down.  In those previous polls, 18 to 29 year olds tipped the scales toward the president’s positive approval ratings with his rating among this group in the seventies.  The current proportion of voters within this age group who approve of President Obama’s performance — 61% — is just slightly higher than registered voters in general."

Just as I have been predicting. Once the overly idealistic youth sees that Obama's big government policies won't work, and the Obama loses his novelty, they will start to defect from him.

Yeah, I'm sure the Chrysler bailout killed him among youngsters. ::)

No, but if/when healthcare reform fails, and the national debt continues to rise, trust me, they'll defect. As a younger person myself, I can safely say most of the 14-17 year olds (future voters) don't really know what's going on and only support Obama because it's cool. These people will only have become politically aware in a world where Democrats control everything.

You can quote me on this, Obama will still win the youth in 2012 for sure (unless he's an epic failure), but the margin of victory relative to the national PV will be far lower.

The down turn in these polls probably has less to do with policy and more to do with the novelty of Obama waring off and reality setting in.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 09, 2009, 03:50:10 PM
Current prediction -- for now. Alabama is definitely not a tossup.


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Key:

GOP wins by 10% or more
GOP wins 5-9%
GOP wins up to 5%
tossup
Obama wins up to 5%
Obama wins 5-9%
Obama wins 10% or more


Much depends, of course, on who the GOP nominee will be.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on June 09, 2009, 04:19:34 PM
Current prediction -- for now. Alabama is definitely not a tossup.


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Key:

GOP wins by 10% or more
GOP wins 5-9%
GOP wins up to 5%
tossup
Obama wins up to 5%
Obama wins 5-9%
Obama wins 10% or more


Much depends, of course, on who the GOP nominee will be.

I still find it incredible that Obama has higher approvals in Tennessee than Colorado or Arizona.

By the way, what is your methodology. Do you take into account Obama's margin of victory in 2008?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 09, 2009, 06:11:57 PM

I still find it incredible that Obama has higher approvals in Tennessee than Colorado or Arizona.

By the way, what is your methodology. Do you take into account Obama's margin of victory in 2008?

I have no algorithm which would give a more reliable methodology. I lack the computer power for one.

Only in the absence of a relevant poll (which could be of a neighboring state -- in the cases of Mississippi, Montana, and North Dakota -- not to mention the District of Columbia and NE-03)  or as a check in a marginal case. Such states as Maryland, Maine, Vermont, Wyoming, Idaho, Alaska, and Hawaii have to be shown as they voted in 2008, and in each case those are anything but marginal.  Let's remember that the 2008 election is not itself a reliable predictor of how states will vote in 2012. Think of Indiana in 2008: about everyone was surprised that it was close from summer 2008 on. Did the results of 2004 in Indiana mean anything then? Hardly! Virginia was much the same, and it too was a surprise. Slight positives for Utah and Kansas for Obama require that I temper any prediction with the intuitive: "No way does Obama win this state except under freakish circumstances". Well, if the GOP nominee says things disrespectful of the LDS Church, then Obama wins Utah; if the GOP nominee is an utter nutcase, Obama wins Kansas. 

My technique could work the other way, too.  If I noticed that Obama had an approval rating of 42% and a disapproval rating of  46% in Minnesota, then the fact that Obama had won the state by a double-digit margin in 2008 might not in itself cause me to believe that he would lose  Minnesota. But some states seem to move together because of political similarities -- with Minnesota, Iowa and Wisconsin suggest themselves, so if similar results start appearing in those states, one would have to wonder what constituencies he has been losing.       

Any new poll is now significantly more relevant to 2012 because it is newer and it reflects the perception of Obama as President. In 2012 he will be running on his record -- and not on his promises -- if he is at all effective. If he is doing badly as a President he will try to run from his record and it will catch up to him. We are eight months away from the 2008 election and nearly five months into his Presidency. We are 39 months away from  the 2012 electio.n

He seems to have lost nothing in the states that voted for him by a margin over 9%. Colorado is hard to figure, but the near 50-50 approval rating suggests trouble there. I would have thought that Obama has a very good chance of picking up Arizona because of the narrowness of McCain's win of the state, but the most recent poll does not so show things. Other states that were marginal wins (FL, IN, NC, OH, and NE-01) or marginal losses (MO, MT, ND, SD, and GA) and show big improvements. One good poll (for Obama) in Colorado could force him into a redder category on this map. Sure, I rate MT, ND, and SD as likely wins because of South Dakota showing a good poll (ND and SD usually move in tandem, and MT is usually a bit more Democratic than either Dakota) -- and that could change dramatically if I saw a bad poll (for Obama in any one of those three states.

I find big surprises in an inner arc of states that voted for Bill Clinton (LA, AR, TN, KY, and WV) but not for Gore, Kerry, or Obama, and in fact voting strongly against Obama in 2008. One of these would be a surprise, but all five? He's apparently doing better in those states than in Georgia. They all give positive approval ratings for Obama, who seems to have shown little effort to campaign in any of those states.  His style of campaign was not suited to those states as it was suited to more urban states like Virginia, North Carolina, and Indiana. Could it be that white Southerners couldn't relate to him? Could it be that they are far more deferential to a military record than Americans elsewhere? None of that will be relevant in 2012. In 2008 many assumed the worst about him, and in 2012 he will have established what sort of President he is. Maybe he has so established himself already. If he reminds people of Bill Clinton, then he wins the arc against anyone other than Huckabee.

I treat Arkansas as a tossup for one reason: Mike Huckabee, who could win Arkansas as a VP candidate, which he could do in no other state in the "Clinton Arc".

This projection is at most an early-warning signal. If a Republican figure were  looking at my map and saw that the GOP was beginning to have trouble in Texas, then that figure might want to do things to shift the political debate from something ineffective to something more effective. Another possible interpretation is to look long-term in hope that the GOP could wait out Obama popularity and make efforts at the grass-roots level -- like trying to form College Republican branches at universities whose student bodies might now be very liberal in voting patterns, seeking out potential dissidents from the Democratic Party, or targeting corrupt and ineffective machine politicians in big cities for defeat even if such requires promoting liberals as challengers. The GOP could reconstitute itself in some places as a "Clean Government" movement of would-be reformers even in such places as ... Detroit.


 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 10, 2009, 05:47:56 AM
I have a better algorithm than what you are using, it's called common sense.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 10, 2009, 09:31:43 AM
Florida (Quinnipiac University):

58% Approve
35% Disapprove

62% Favorable
32% Unfavorable

From June 2 - 7, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,245 Florida voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.8 percentage points. The survey includes 486 Republicans and 477 Democrats, each with a margin of error of +/- 4.5 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1311

New Jersey (Quinnipiac University):

68% Approve
25% Disapprove

From June 3 - 8, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,338 New Jersey registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.7 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1311


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 10, 2009, 10:01:25 AM
I have a better algorithm than what you are using, it's called common sense.

What constitutes common sense is a matter of taste. Sometimes, reality is counter-intuitive, and in such a case common sense fails.

The system that I offer is very flexible -- and swift to respond to change. It can also offer the counter-intuitive. If I had no polling data, I would base any prediction of 2012 upon what happened in 2008. I would expect Obama to effectively trade Indiana for Arizona because Indiana was a fluke (everything going wrong for the GOP that year) and Arizona had a favorite-son candidate if nothing else truly changed. The map suggests otherwise for now -- that he will win Indiana but lose Arizona.

The map suggests that the GOP is doing surprisingly badly in places that it won by huge margins -- most notably the states that Bill Clinton won but Obama didn't. If a state like Arkansas looks like a likely tossup even if Obama lost it by a margin of 20% or so then that suggests that political reality is different from what it was in November. The alternative of course is that the model is wrong.

I admit its limitations. It can't predict scandals, military or diplomatic catastrophes, or economic realities. It can't predict the health of Barack Obama. It can't predict whether the GOP nominating process will be a knock-down, drag-out struggle or a dull process. Above all it pits the current President against some Republican named "Generic", and no Party ever nominates someone named "Generic". Mitt Romney would win a different set of states than would Mike Huckabee.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on June 10, 2009, 10:24:46 AM
Current prediction -- for now. Alabama is definitely not a tossup.


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Key:

GOP wins by 10% or more
GOP wins 5-9%
GOP wins up to 5%
tossup
Obama wins up to 5%
Obama wins 5-9%
Obama wins 10% or more


Much depends, of course, on who the GOP nominee will be.

OMG, I hope you really don't believe that. If you do go ahead and change your name to #1ObamaHack.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on June 10, 2009, 10:46:39 AM
Current prediction -- for now. Alabama is definitely not a tossup.


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Key:

GOP wins by 10% or more
GOP wins 5-9%
GOP wins up to 5%
tossup
Obama wins up to 5%
Obama wins 5-9%
Obama wins 10% or more


Much depends, of course, on who the GOP nominee will be.

OMG, I hope you really don't believe that. If you do go ahead and change your name to #1ObamaHack.

NC and IN before CO is laughable enough.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on June 10, 2009, 10:48:25 AM
Current prediction -- for now. Alabama is definitely not a tossup.


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Key:

GOP wins by 10% or more
GOP wins 5-9%
GOP wins up to 5%
tossup
Obama wins up to 5%
Obama wins 5-9%
Obama wins 10% or more


Much depends, of course, on who the GOP nominee will be.

OMG, I hope you really don't believe that. If you do go ahead and change your name to #1ObamaHack.

NC and IN before CO is laughable enough.

LA, AR, NE, TN, ND, SD, KY and WV are all laughable too.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 10, 2009, 11:15:45 AM

OMG, I hope you really don't believe that. If you do go ahead and change your name to #1ObamaHack.

NC and IN before CO is laughable enough.

LA, AR, NE, TN, ND, SD, KY and WV are all laughable too.

For real laughs may I suggest Charlie Chaplin, Laurel and Hardy, and the Marx Brothers.

I said that it was counter-intuitive. It all depends upon polls of transient usefulness and often-questionable reliability.

Can you accept these statements as facts?

1. The GOP was losing popularity in November -- which explains the meltdown of the McCain/Palin campaign.

2. The economic woes of which we are aware are still largely associated with GWB and company.

3. Because John McCain had the war record, he had a stronger appeal than any other imaginable GOP candidate in 2008.  Someone else would have lost even worse.

4. Aside from nationwide approval polls that say nothing about individual states, the approval polls in the individual states (40 -- although the one for Nebraska is partial) are the only indications of how states might vote. 

5. Obama's popularity was rising in early November and it is stable now.

6. Although Obama generally does better in states that he won big in, he isn't so far behind in approval in some in which he did badly. Such holds true for states that Bill Clinton won in 1992 and 1996 but Obama got clobbered in. Should Obama do much that Bill Clinton did as President (politically -- not sexually, and he has far less leeway for sexual misconduct than did Bill Clinton, for obvious reasons) he can win those states in 2012.

7. If anything, the political polarization of America that marks the last twelve or so years seems to be weakening.

   



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on June 10, 2009, 11:30:58 AM
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1. The GOP was losing popularity in November -- which explains the meltdown of the McCain/Palin campaign.
Yes, but what does that have to do about 2012?

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2. The economic woes of which we are aware are still largely associated with GWB and company.
Wrong, the economic woes are now on Obama, after the first 100 days it became Obama's woes. Also, the economy was find until 2007 when Democrats took over.

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3. Because John McCain had the war record, he had a stronger appeal than any other imaginable GOP candidate in 2008.  Someone else would have lost even worse.
Wrong, McCain just has that appeal, which has nothing to do with war record.

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4. Aside from nationwide approval polls that say nothing about individual states, the approval polls in the individual states (40 -- although the one for Nebraska is partial) are the only indications of how states might vote. 

You can't base how states will vote on approval polls. You are just trying to twist it to make it look like Obama is going to win states he will never win.

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5. Obama's popularity was rising in early November and it is stable now.
It isn't stable, his popularity is slowing falling.

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6. Although Obama generally does better in states that he won big in, he isn't so far behind in approval in some in which he did badly. Such holds true for states that Bill Clinton won in 1992 and 1996 but Obama got clobbered in. Should Obama do much that Bill Clinton did as President (politically -- not sexually, and he has far less leeway for sexual misconduct than did Bill Clinton, for obvious reasons) he can win those states in 2012.

You are using polls that were taken right after Obama won. Like in WV, last poll showed Obama with a 36% approval rating, but you don't have that on there.

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7. If anything, the political polarization of America that marks the last twelve or so years seems to be weakening.
Not really, it only seemed to weakening because Obama won by 7%, due to the economy being blamed on the Republican, which is not true, but most Americans are to stupid to know the real truth.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on June 10, 2009, 11:39:42 AM
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1. The GOP was losing popularity in November -- which explains the meltdown of the McCain/Palin campaign.
Yes, but what does that have to do about 2012?

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2. The economic woes of which we are aware are still largely associated with GWB and company.
Wrong, the economic woes are now on Obama, after the first 100 days it became Obama's woes. Also, the economy was find until 2007 when Democrats took over.

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That is actually not true at all.  The economy was clearly weakening in 2006.  The housing bubble popped in the summer and GDP growth slowed to almost nothing toward the end of the year. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BM on June 10, 2009, 12:29:47 PM
Gallup is showing their highest disapproval and lowest approval to date.  They're also getting closer and closer to Rasmussen

Gallup:

Approve 59%
Disapprove 34%


Rasmussen:

Approve 57%
Disapprove 42%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on June 10, 2009, 01:28:41 PM
Gallup is showing their highest disapproval and lowest approval to date.  They're also getting closer and closer to Rasmussen

Gallup:

Approve 59%
Disapprove 34%


Rasmussen:

Approve 57%
Disapprove 42%

I don't see an approval in the late 50's as surprising. What I do find slightly surprising is that there is only a 2% difference between likely voters and all adults.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 10, 2009, 02:10:26 PM
Diageo Hotline:

65% Approve
31% Disapprove

67% Favorable
29% Unfavorable

Looking ahead to 2012, if the presidential election were held today, would you
vote to reelect Barack Obama or would you like to see someone else become President?

46% Reelect
30% Someone else
18% Too early to decide

The Diageo/Hotline Poll was conducted by telephone from June 4 – 7, 2009, among a random, representative sample of 800 registered voters, age 18 and older (margin of error +/- 3.5%).

http://www.diageohotlinepoll.com/documents/diageohotlinepoll/FDDiageoHotlineJuneToplineFORRELEASE061009.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ej2mm15 on June 10, 2009, 02:16:47 PM
So Obama's approval rating debating? Being a republican I hope it goes down, but not to the point where he puts the country in the sh**tter


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 10, 2009, 04:04:02 PM
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1. The GOP was losing popularity in November -- which explains the meltdown of the McCain/Palin campaign.
Yes, but what does that have to do about 2012?

The GOP is not gaining popularity.

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2. The economic woes of which we are aware are still largely associated with GWB and company.
Wrong, the economic woes are now on Obama, after the first 100 days it became Obama's woes. Also, the economy was find until 2007 when Democrats took over.

100 days? The subprime lending, the de-industrialization of America, and the meltdown of the speculative booms went into overdrive when Dubya was President.

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3. Because John McCain had the war record, he had a stronger appeal than any other imaginable GOP candidate in 2008.  Someone else would have lost even worse.
Wrong, McCain just has that appeal, which has nothing to do with war record.


I say that it was worth at least 2% of the vote.

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4. Aside from nationwide approval polls that say nothing about individual states, the approval polls in the individual states (40 -- although the one for Nebraska is partial) are the only indications of how states might vote. 

You can't base how states will vote on approval polls. You are just trying to twist it to make it look like Obama is going to win states he will never win.

That's all that we have now, isn't it?

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5. Obama's popularity was rising in early November and it is stable now.
It isn't stable, his popularity is slowing falling.
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Statistical noise.

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6. Although Obama generally does better in states that he won big in, he isn't so far behind in approval in some in which he did badly. Such holds true for states that Bill Clinton won in 1992 and 1996 but Obama got clobbered in. Should Obama do much that Bill Clinton did as President (politically -- not sexually, and he has far less leeway for sexual misconduct than did Bill Clinton, for obvious reasons) he can win those states in 2012.

You are using polls that were taken right after Obama won. Like in WV, last poll showed Obama with a 36% approval rating, but you don't have that on there.

Show me the poll. Who, when, and link.

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7. If anything, the political polarization of America that marks the last twelve or so years seems to be weakening.
Not really, it only seemed to weakening because Obama won by 7%, due to the economy being blamed on the Republican, which is not true, but most Americans are to stupid to know the real truth.


What "real truth"? That we didn't have high-enough pay for our executive elite, that we didn't outlaw labor unions, that we didn't abolish welfare,  that we didn't restore the seventy-hour workweek, and that we establish bondage as a consequence of default on debt? That Dubya was a wonderful President instead of the buffoon that he seems to be?

The polarization that I recognized was that Obama was winning a bunch of states with large two-digit margins and losing some by similar margins, and that roughly 100 electoral votes were decided by 9% or less (as opposed to 160 or so in 2000 or 2004).   

Oh, who is to get the blame for the messed-up economy?  It looked much like a reprise of 1929-1932 for a while, and now it seems to have improved some:

() 

Take a good look at the blue line in September and October 2008. That's when catastrophic  devaluation of assets went on, when the American economy was on the brink of a 1929-style free-fall. If the objects of excessive and destructive speculation were different (real estate as opposed to securities), the mechanism was the same, and the consequences had parallels that few could fail to miss. Roughly the same economic policies of eighty years earlier brought analogous results.


 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on June 10, 2009, 04:09:01 PM
WV: PPP poll (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_WV_601.pdf)

Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance? If you
approve, press 1. If you disapprove, press 2.
If you’re not sure, press 3.
Approve ................. 39%
Disapprove............. 50%
Not Sure................. 10%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 10, 2009, 04:33:52 PM
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Key:

GOP wins by 10% or more
GOP wins 5-9%
GOP wins up to 5%
tossup
Obama wins up to 5%
Obama wins 5-9%
Obama wins 10% or more


See? The system works. Even if I split the "not sure" 50/50 (which may be charitable for Obama), WV is on the line between "medium" and "hard". In the event of a tossup between such categories I use the 2008 vote to decide -- and it decides that Obama would lose by at least 10% in West Virginia. 

Now that I think of it, that criterion allows me to distinguish Nebraska as a likely win for the GOP nominee and Colorado as a likely win, however marginal, for Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on June 10, 2009, 04:37:19 PM
A system that identifies Nebraska as likely Republican.  You've clearly found the Holy Grail of analysis here


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 10, 2009, 04:40:37 PM
I love that Obama will win VA by 10 points or more. Dude, your "system" sucks.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: justfollowingtheelections on June 10, 2009, 04:45:19 PM
I honestly don't understand why everyone is giving pbrower such a hard time.  I don't think he ever claimed that THIS is what will happen in 2012.  His maps are clearly based on numbers and the only numbers we have right now are approval/favorability ratings.  There are of course many factors they cannot measure, but they're fun to look at.  I'm sure that if/when Obama's approval ratings drop, pbrower's map will become more red and you will all be happy.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 10, 2009, 04:47:57 PM
A system that identifies Nebraska as likely Republican.  You've clearly found the Holy Grail of analysis here

I had Nebraska as a tossup because of NE-02, which barely voted for Obama but gave a 62% approval rating. That caused me to believe that NE-01 is a tossup even if NE-03, one of the most right-wing congressional districts in America, is a sure loss for Obama. Because Kansas wasn't decisively-enough for a generic Republican and South Dakota seemed to be trending toward Obama, with Nebraska electorally in between,  I had Nebraska as a tossup. I explained how I could choose between categories, and that forced me to take another look at both Colorado and Nebraska. Colorado is far more likely to go for Obama than Nebraska... for good reasons.

I can modify the technique to resolve something troublesome -- and not only because I dislike the results.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 10, 2009, 04:50:15 PM
But clearly approval ratings in June 2009 are not even close to what will happen in November 2012. His approvals are buoyed by 25% Republican support. I think anyone with half a brain knows he won't get 25% R support in 2012, so these numbers are useless.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on June 10, 2009, 04:56:17 PM
I agree with blagohair. Too many posters are willfully ignoring pbrower's explanations in order to take some cheap shots against him.

The guy has said time and again that he works with current numbers and that it is more than certain that things will be very different by 2012. Yet some people continue to pester and mock him as if he said the exact opposite.

Perhaps next time before they attack him, they should take off their blinders and earplugs.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on June 10, 2009, 05:04:41 PM
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Key:

GOP wins by 10% or more
GOP wins 5-9%
GOP wins up to 5%
tossup
Obama wins up to 5%
Obama wins 5-9%
Obama wins 10% or more


See? The system works. Even if I split the "not sure" 50/50 (which may be charitable for Obama), WV is on the line between "medium" and "hard". In the event of a tossup between such categories I use the 2008 vote to decide -- and it decides that Obama would lose by at least 10% in West Virginia. 

Now that I think of it, that criterion allows me to distinguish Nebraska as a likely win for the GOP nominee and Colorado as a likely win, however marginal, for Obama.

I fixed it, gave Colorado 10 electoral votes. 

With an approval rating that Obama has in CO, I would clearly make Colorado as tossup or even 5% for the GOP.  His popularity is not going to last forever in CO.  Another reason is people are already getting sick of the democrat governor that we have and his job approval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 10, 2009, 06:01:21 PM
I love that Obama will win VA by 10 points or more. Dude, your "system" sucks.

Obama won Virginia by 6.3% in 2008.  A 10% margin? Sure -- if the young-adult vote turns out to be as liberal-leaning in 2012 as in 2008. I see no reason to expect otherwise. They will be supplanting older voters who are not-so-liberal (largely voters born in the late 1920s and early 1930s).  Whether the polls take that into account or don't is beyond my knowledge of specific polls. In any event I take an approval rating as an estimate of the likely vote. The same applies in Ohio (which I consider a surprise), Florida, Indiana, Missouri, or North Carolina.

Obama will have to be a very effective President to win Virginia, let alone Ohio, by a 55-45 or larger margin. He had to be a very effective campaigner to win Indiana, North Carolina, and Virginia, states that hadn't voted for a Democratic nominee for President since 1964, 1976, or 1964, respectively. He will have to be an effective President to win Indiana or North Carolina again, let alone pick off Missouri.

Obama won Michigan and Pennsylvania by double-digit margins; those two states are ordinarily close in close elections.  Face it: only a very adept politician can pull that off.  History shows that effective campaigners are effective Presidents. That means Obama, Clinton, Reagan, Nixon (for a time), JFK, Eisenhower, Truman (to an extent) and of course FDR.  

We shall see, of course.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on June 10, 2009, 06:26:39 PM
I'm sorry, px, I wasn't meaning to be as critical as you're making the comment out to be.  I just find the idea that this map is an especially good predictive, or even cross-sectional analysis, to be misfounded.  Even if we were assuming that approval ratings are strongly correlated (which they are sorta), this ignores:

1. That some outfits treat "fair" as disapproval, while people often think of "fair" as "OK."

2. Time.

3. Differences in pollster quality.

4. Differences in push levels.

It's not a bad effort, it's just not anything to base an electoral narrative on.  pbrowser deserves credit for compiling this all, but the extrapolations being made are unfounded.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on June 10, 2009, 06:27:58 PM
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Key:

GOP wins by 10% or more
GOP wins 5-9%
GOP wins up to 5%
tossup
Obama wins up to 5%
Obama wins 5-9%
Obama wins 10% or more


See? The system works. Even if I split the "not sure" 50/50 (which may be charitable for Obama), WV is on the line between "medium" and "hard". In the event of a tossup between such categories I use the 2008 vote to decide -- and it decides that Obama would lose by at least 10% in West Virginia. 

Now that I think of it, that criterion allows me to distinguish Nebraska as a likely win for the GOP nominee and Colorado as a likely win, however marginal, for Obama.

I fixed it, gave Colorado 10 electoral votes. 

With an approval rating that Obama has in CO, I would clearly make Colorado as tossup or even 5% for the GOP.  His popularity is not going to last forever in CO.  Another reason is people are already getting sick of the democrat governor that we have and his job approval.


Since when did Colorado have 10 EVs? If you mean in 2012, I'm not sure it will gain any then.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 10, 2009, 06:30:06 PM
I honestly don't understand why everyone is giving pbrower such a hard time.  I don't think he ever claimed that THIS is what will happen in 2012.  His maps are clearly based on numbers and the only numbers we have right now are approval/favorability ratings.  There are of course many factors they cannot measure, but they're fun to look at.  I'm sure that if/when Obama's approval ratings drop, pbrower's map will become more red and you will all be happy.

I qualify my statements, and I show my methods. I suggest my prediction as "likely results if nothing really changes". Much WILL change by November 2012 -- most particularly that we will have no "Generic Republican" nominated for President.

This model does not allow someone to say such things as "when Oregonians get tired of high taxes or when the auto industry blows up on Obama, then Oregon, Michigan, and Ohio will be easy pickings for any Republican" before such happens. Likewise it does not allow one to say that  "when poor whites and poor blacks recognize shared interests in economics, then they will vote alike -- for Obama".  If "tax revolts" become successful in some states  in the so-called Blue Firewall or if the American auto industry implodes, then Obama will be in political trouble, as shown in Obama having approval ratings in the forties or thirties in such states. Likewise if white poor people and black poor people in the South find common cause in struggles against shared exploiters and oppressors, Obama could win a raft of states that he didn't win in 2008, and that would show in approval ratings in the sixties or higher.

My map is modeled, such as it is, on models not in use (Electoralvote.com, 538.com, 270 to win) since the 2008 election. I respect those models. Am I completely justified in assuming that a 52% approval rating suggests a likely win? Hardly. People who approve of an incumbent President are likely to vote for him; those who don't generally vote for someone else. That's before I can account for the personality of someone who will comprise half the attention of the Presidential campaign of 2012 -- the Republican half.  

Not until we have specific polls involving specific candidates in specific states will we have a really good idea of how Election 2012 will be going. We will have heard the rhetoric at the Democratic and Republican national conventions. We will see the campaign ads.

My system lets nobody count chickens before they hatch; it shows where the eggs are and it might not even be able to tell whether the eggs are from hens or from snakes. They can show statewide trends (in case anyone still needs to be educated on this matter, the States decide who becomes or remains President, and voters don't).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 10, 2009, 06:43:15 PM
I'm sorry, px, I wasn't meaning to be as critical as you're making the comment out to be.  I just find the idea that this map is an especially good predictive, or even cross-sectional analysis, to be misfounded.  Even if we were assuming that approval ratings are strongly correlated (which they are sorta), this ignores:

1. That some outfits treat "fair" as disapproval, while people often think of "fair" as "OK."

2. Time.

3. Differences in pollster quality.

4. Differences in push levels.

It's not a bad effort, it's just not anything to base an electoral narrative on.  pbrowser deserves credit for compiling this all, but the extrapolations being made are unfounded.

I prefer a poll to an extrapolation. I make those only in the absence of a poll. Example: does anyone have any cause to believe that the Democrats won't win Vermont, Maine, Maryland, DC, and Hawaii by large margins? Likewise on the other side on Alaska, Idaho, Wyoming, or the 3rd Congressional District of Nebraska? The troublemakers are the not-so-obvious ones not yet polled: Montana, North Dakota, NE-01 (eastern Nebraska other than Greater Omaha), and Mississippi.  I could use gray for states not yet polled, but that loses much common-sense data that no approval poll yet shows (Maryland won't be voting for any Republican, and Idaho won't vote for Obama). The extrapolations that I show imply a carryover from States politically similar to a state in question (Mississippi somewhat intermediate between Alabama and Arkansas, Montana and North Dakota to South Dakota. 

Extrapolations are always risky. I'd rather have polls.  By 2012 I will leave this effort to people who better know what they are doing than I do.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on June 10, 2009, 06:45:20 PM
I also much prefer polls to "extrapolations" (I'm not sure what we'd be extrapolating if not polls?).  My point is that you're comparing un-alike polls to each other, and then making a theoretical extrapolation of electoral returns based on that.  It's a perfectly fair effort if you don't want to go to the trouble of developing an algorithm to adjust for the passage of time, or a way of managing polls that ask different questions than "strongly approve"/"approve"/"somewhat approve"/whatever.  But, as it stands, this information is poisoned by a number of variables.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on June 10, 2009, 06:47:32 PM
I honestly don't understand why everyone is giving pbrower such a hard time.  I don't think he ever claimed that THIS is what will happen in 2012.  His maps are clearly based on numbers and the only numbers we have right now are approval/favorability ratings.  There are of course many factors they cannot measure, but they're fun to look at.  I'm sure that if/when Obama's approval ratings drop, pbrower's map will become more red and you will all be happy.

I qualify my statements, and I show my methods. I suggest my prediction as "likely results if nothing really changes". Much WILL change by November 2012 -- most particularly that we will have no "Generic Republican" nominated for President.

This model does not allow someone to say such things as "when Oregonians get tired of high taxes or when the auto industry blows up on Obama, then Oregon, Michigan, and Ohio will be easy pickings for any Republican" before such happens. Likewise it does not allow one to say that  "when poor whites and poor blacks recognize shared interests in economics, then they will vote alike -- for Obama".  If "tax revolts" become successful in some states  in the so-called Blue Firewall or if the American auto industry implodes, then Obama will be in political trouble, as shown in Obama having approval ratings in the forties or thirties in such states. Likewise if white poor people and black poor people in the South find common cause in struggles against shared exploiters and oppressors, Obama could win a raft of states that he didn't win in 2008, and that would show in approval ratings in the sixties or higher.

My map is modeled, such as it is, on models not in use (Electoralvote.com, 538.com, 270 to win) since the 2008 election. I respect those models. Am I completely justified in assuming that a 52% approval rating suggests a likely win? Hardly. People who approve of an incumbent President are likely to vote for him; those who don't generally vote for someone else. That's before I can account for the personality of someone who will comprise half the attention of the Presidential campaign of 2012 -- the Republican half.  

Not until we have specific polls involving specific candidates in specific states will we have a really good idea of how Election 2012 will be going. We will have heard the rhetoric at the Democratic and Republican national conventions. We will see the campaign ads.

My system lets nobody count chickens before they hatch; it shows where the eggs are and it might not even be able to tell whether the eggs are from hens or from snakes. They can show statewide trends (in case anyone still needs to be educated on this matter, the States decide who becomes or remains President, and voters don't).

Let me just add that this is if the election were today against a generic Republican. Neither is going to happen. Likely, the Republicans will nominate somebody significantly better or significantly worse than a "generic Republican".

Also remember that Obama hasn't tackled large divisive issues yet such as healthcare, immigration reform, and cap-and-trade. Thus, the majority of moderates (~40% of the population) combined with the majority of liberals (~25% of the population) make up his approvals. Until he does something that will alienate independents and moderate Republicans and Democrats, expect his approvals to remain in the upper fifties. Thus making the map much more Democratic than it will most likely be on election day.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on June 10, 2009, 08:44:16 PM
So Obama's approval rating debating? Being a republican I hope it goes down, but not to the point where he puts the country in the sh**tter

He's doing that with good approval ratings or not.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on June 10, 2009, 10:03:46 PM
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Key:

GOP wins by 10% or more
GOP wins 5-9%
GOP wins up to 5%
tossup
Obama wins up to 5%
Obama wins 5-9%
Obama wins 10% or more


See? The system works. Even if I split the "not sure" 50/50 (which may be charitable for Obama), WV is on the line between "medium" and "hard". In the event of a tossup between such categories I use the 2008 vote to decide -- and it decides that Obama would lose by at least 10% in West Virginia. 

Now that I think of it, that criterion allows me to distinguish Nebraska as a likely win for the GOP nominee and Colorado as a likely win, however marginal, for Obama.

I fixed it, gave Colorado 10 electoral votes. 

With an approval rating that Obama has in CO, I would clearly make Colorado as tossup or even 5% for the GOP.  His popularity is not going to last forever in CO.  Another reason is people are already getting sick of the democrat governor that we have and his job approval.


Since when did Colorado have 10 EVs? If you mean in 2012, I'm not sure it will gain any then.
That is for 2012, Colorado should have 10 electroal votes by then or maybe 11, who knows for sure.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 10, 2009, 10:17:58 PM
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Key:

GOP wins by 10% or more
GOP wins 5-9%
GOP wins up to 5%
tossup
Obama wins up to 5%
Obama wins 5-9%
Obama wins 10% or more


See? The system works. Even if I split the "not sure" 50/50 (which may be charitable for Obama), WV is on the line between "medium" and "hard". In the event of a tossup between such categories I use the 2008 vote to decide -- and it decides that Obama would lose by at least 10% in West Virginia. 

Now that I think of it, that criterion allows me to distinguish Nebraska as a likely win for the GOP nominee and Colorado as a likely win, however marginal, for Obama.

I fixed it, gave Colorado 10 electoral votes. 

I'm sticking with the 2008 electoral vote until the Census establishes the apportionment of Representatives, and I restore Colorado to a 'weak hold'.

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With an approval rating that Obama has in CO, I would clearly make Colorado as tossup or even 5% for the GOP.  His popularity is not going to last forever in CO.  Another reason is people are already getting sick of the democrat governor that we have and his job approval.


Since when did Colorado have 10 EVs? If you mean in 2012, I'm not sure it will gain any then.
That is for 2012, Colorado should have 10 electroal votes by then or maybe 11, who knows for sure.

This model does not adjust for the unpopularity of a Governor because such is a different question.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on June 10, 2009, 11:04:32 PM
Doesn't make much sense.  Georgia and South Carolina should be pink then.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 11, 2009, 06:31:54 AM
North Carolina (Civitas Institute):

66% Approve
28% Disapprove

The study of 600 registered voters was conducted May 18-21, 2009 by Tel Opinion Research of Alexandria, Virginia.  All respondents were part of a fully representative sample of registered voters in North Carolina. For purposes of this study, voters we interviewed had to have voted in either the 2004, 2006 or 2008 general elections or were newly registered voters since 2008.

http://www.jwpcivitasinstitute.org/media/poll-results/may-2009-poll-results


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 11, 2009, 06:33:55 AM
So PPP has him at 51% there, but Civitas at 66%? I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's closer to the 51% than the 66%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 11, 2009, 06:39:57 AM
So PPP has him at 51% there, but Civitas at 66%? I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's closer to the 51% than the 66%.

The guys from PPP note that because of their automated polls people are more likely to give negative opinions on politicians, rather than to real people which Civitas is using.

I think 51% is slightly too low and 66% way too high (joke poll).

55% seems to be right for NC at the moment.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: SUSAN CRUSHBONE on June 11, 2009, 06:41:53 AM
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Key:

GOP wins by 10% or more
GOP wins 5-9%
GOP wins up to 5%
tossup
Obama wins up to 5%
Obama wins 5-9%
Obama wins 10% or more


See? The system works. Even if I split the "not sure" 50/50 (which may be charitable for Obama), WV is on the line between "medium" and "hard". In the event of a tossup between such categories I use the 2008 vote to decide -- and it decides that Obama would lose by at least 10% in West Virginia. 

Now that I think of it, that criterion allows me to distinguish Nebraska as a likely win for the GOP nominee and Colorado as a likely win, however marginal, for Obama.

I fixed it, gave Colorado 10 electoral votes. 

With an approval rating that Obama has in CO, I would clearly make Colorado as tossup or even 5% for the GOP.  His popularity is not going to last forever in CO.  Another reason is people are already getting sick of the democrat governor that we have and his job approval.


Since when did Colorado have 10 EVs? If you mean in 2012, I'm not sure it will gain any then.
That is for 2012, Colorado should have 10 electroal votes by then or maybe 11, who knows for sure.
LOL. Colorado will likely remain at 9 EVs.
And even if it doesn't, your fix changes NONE of the other states? That's not correct. Your map now has 539 EVs.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 11, 2009, 08:56:39 AM
Virginia (Rasmussen):

52% Approve
46% Disapprove

(Tim Kaine)

62% Approve
35% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Virginia was conducted by Rasmussen Reports June 10, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2009/virginia/election_2009_virginia_governor_election


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on June 11, 2009, 10:27:07 AM
Virginia (Rasmussen):

52% Approve
46% Disapprove

(Tim Kaine)

62% Approve
35% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Virginia was conducted by Rasmussen Reports June 10, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2009/virginia/election_2009_virginia_governor_election

If we reverse the numbers (62% Obama, 52% Kaine), that should be more believable.
Otherwise Tim Kaine might want to share his secret with the other governors whose favorables are hard hit by the recession.
And wasn't everyone saying that Virginians were disatisfied with his decision to become DNC Chair?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on June 11, 2009, 10:54:40 AM
You can't switch results. That's not how it works.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 11, 2009, 01:38:49 PM
Virginia support for Obama cut back a bit:

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Key:

GOP wins by 10% or more
GOP wins 5-9%
GOP wins up to 5%
tossup
Obama wins up to 5%
Obama wins 5-9%
Obama wins 10% or more


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on June 11, 2009, 02:16:55 PM
Considering Obama's approvals are mediocre, that isn't happening.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: marvelrobbins on June 11, 2009, 02:52:58 PM
Fox News Poll

Obama Approval/Disapproval

Overall: 63%/31%

Democrats 88%/8%

Republicans: 28%/62%

Independents: 66%/26%

Biden Approval/Disapproval

Overall: 49%/32$

Democrats: 75%/13%

Republicans: 18%/59%

Independents: 48%/27%

Economy getting better/getting worse/staying the same

Overall: 40%/42%/16%

Democrats: 50%/28%/19%

Republicans: 27%/57%/14%

Independents: 41%/41%/16%

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on June 11, 2009, 04:26:23 PM
Why all the Republican hate towards Biden?
Ok, he's made some gaffes, but he hasn't been especially partisan and I haven't heard any Republican official complain about him and his role (like the Dems did with Cheney).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on June 11, 2009, 05:11:31 PM
Ok, what I did was took the national average approval rating and subtracted it from the approval rating of the said state. For Example:

Poll was taken on Feb 6, 2009 for a said state: On that date Obama had a 62% approval rating. So lets say the poll showed said state had a 68% approval rating of Obama. I took 68 - 62= 6. So, that state polled 6% higher then the national average on Obama's approval ratings.

Key is:
Dark Red: 10% higher
Medium Red: 7-9% higher
Light Red: 4-6 higher
Green: Any were from 3% higher to 3% lower
Light Blue: 4-6% lower
Medium Blue: 7-9% lower
Dark Blue: 10% or below


Feb 2009

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April 2009
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May 2009
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on June 11, 2009, 05:41:56 PM
I love that Obama will win VA by 10 points or more. Dude, your "system" sucks.
Uh, he won by 6.3 points only several months ago. So you're incredulous about Obama improving by at least 3.7 points nationally, let alone in one of the most aggressively Democratic shifting states?

I don't think it's his analysis that sucks here.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on June 11, 2009, 05:44:22 PM
I honestly don't understand why everyone is giving pbrower such a hard time.  I don't think he ever claimed that THIS is what will happen in 2012.  His maps are clearly based on numbers and the only numbers we have right now are approval/favorability ratings.  There are of course many factors they cannot measure, but they're fun to look at.  I'm sure that if/when Obama's approval ratings drop, pbrower's map will become more red and you will all be happy.
What Blago said. I think that anyone trying to spin these ratings into anything more than an estimate of what would happen if the presidential election were held today is overacting.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 11, 2009, 05:49:28 PM
I love that Obama will win VA by 10 points or more. Dude, your "system" sucks.
Uh, he won by 6.3 points only several months ago. So you're incredulous about Obama improving by at least 3.7 points nationally, let alone in one of the most aggressively Democratic shifting states?

I don't think it's his analysis that sucks here.

Hmm, his approval rating there is 52%, lower than his 2008 vote total. So yeah, I have a hard time believing it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on June 11, 2009, 05:51:25 PM
I also much prefer polls to "extrapolations" (I'm not sure what we'd be extrapolating if not polls?).  My point is that you're comparing un-alike polls to each other, and then making a theoretical extrapolation of electoral returns based on that.  It's a perfectly fair effort if you don't want to go to the trouble of developing an algorithm to adjust for the passage of time, or a way of managing polls that ask different questions than "strongly approve"/"approve"/"somewhat approve"/whatever.  But, as it stands, this information is poisoned by a number of variables.
True, but isn't this argument just as applicable to polls taken in Oct. 2012 as those taken today? Again, I don't think PB2 is trying to predict the 2012 race so much as show where Obama's popularity is today on a state by state basis. Measuring it in terms of 2012 electoral maps makes sense only because we're such political junkies grubbing poll results to be displayed on pretty map graphics. (Nice job, BTW).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on June 11, 2009, 06:06:27 PM
I love that Obama will win VA by 10 points or more. Dude, your "system" sucks.
Uh, he won by 6.3 points only several months ago. So you're incredulous about Obama improving by at least 3.7 points nationally, let alone in one of the most aggressively Democratic shifting states?

I don't think it's his analysis that sucks here.

Hmm, his approval rating there is 52%, lower than his 2008 vote total. So yeah, I have a hard time believing it.
His 2008 vote share in VA was 52.63%. Nice try.

You'll pull amuscle stretching like that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 11, 2009, 07:01:36 PM
I love that Obama will win VA by 10 points or more. Dude, your "system" sucks.
Uh, he won by 6.3 points only several months ago. So you're incredulous about Obama improving by at least 3.7 points nationally, let alone in one of the most aggressively Democratic shifting states?

I don't think it's his analysis that sucks here.


Hmm, his approval rating there is 52%, lower than his 2008 vote total. So yeah, I have a hard time believing it.


After a 52% approval rating for Obama in Virginia, I cut the estimate down from a 10% margin to a 5% margin. That is the line, and does that put Virginia in the "bare" or "weak" category? The 2008 election makes the decision. Such is my judgment, as I am in no position to judge a poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on June 11, 2009, 07:16:17 PM
I love that Obama will win VA by 10 points or more. Dude, your "system" sucks.
Uh, he won by 6.3 points only several months ago. So you're incredulous about Obama improving by at least 3.7 points nationally, let alone in one of the most aggressively Democratic shifting states?

I don't think it's his analysis that sucks here.


Hmm, his approval rating there is 52%, lower than his 2008 vote total. So yeah, I have a hard time believing it.


After a 52% approval rating for Obama in Virginia, I cut the estimate down from a 10% margin to a 5% margin. That is the line, and does that put Virginia in the "bare" or "weak" category? The 2008 election makes the decision. Such is my judgment, as I am in no position to judge a poll.

I like my way better :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 11, 2009, 07:25:52 PM
I love that Obama will win VA by 10 points or more. Dude, your "system" sucks.
Uh, he won by 6.3 points only several months ago. So you're incredulous about Obama improving by at least 3.7 points nationally, let alone in one of the most aggressively Democratic shifting states?

I don't think it's his analysis that sucks here.


Hmm, his approval rating there is 52%, lower than his 2008 vote total. So yeah, I have a hard time believing it.


After a 52% approval rating for Obama in Virginia, I cut the estimate down from a 10% margin to a 5% margin. That is the line, and does that put Virginia in the "bare" or "weak" category? The 2008 election makes the decision. Such is my judgment, as I am in no position to judge a poll.

I like my way better :P

National polls are a good control, but let's remember: the States elect the President; the people don't.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on June 11, 2009, 09:27:37 PM
If his approvals in VA are down, he will not end up getting more votes there...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on June 11, 2009, 09:30:03 PM
I love that Obama will win VA by 10 points or more. Dude, your "system" sucks.
Uh, he won by 6.3 points only several months ago. So you're incredulous about Obama improving by at least 3.7 points nationally, let alone in one of the most aggressively Democratic shifting states?

I don't think it's his analysis that sucks here.


Hmm, his approval rating there is 52%, lower than his 2008 vote total. So yeah, I have a hard time believing it.


After a 52% approval rating for Obama in Virginia, I cut the estimate down from a 10% margin to a 5% margin. That is the line, and does that put Virginia in the "bare" or "weak" category? The 2008 election makes the decision. Such is my judgment, as I am in no position to judge a poll.

I like my way better :P

National polls are a good control, but let's remember: the States elect the President; the people don't.

Huh?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 11, 2009, 11:46:56 PM
Wisconsin (Research 2000):

63% Favorable
31% Unfavorable

The Research 2000 Wisconsin Poll was conducted from June 8 through June 10, 2009. A total of 600 likely voters who vote regularly in state elections were interviewed statewide by telephone.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/6/10/WI/309


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 11, 2009, 11:48:14 PM
I love that Obama will win VA by 10 points or more. Dude, your "system" sucks.
Uh, he won by 6.3 points only several months ago. So you're incredulous about Obama improving by at least 3.7 points nationally, let alone in one of the most aggressively Democratic shifting states?

I don't think it's his analysis that sucks here.

Hmm, his approval rating there is 52%, lower than his 2008 vote total. So yeah, I have a hard time believing it.

I agree, outliers happen.

And Rasmussen's final VA poll before the election wasn't the best either ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on June 12, 2009, 12:03:40 AM
I love that Obama will win VA by 10 points or more. Dude, your "system" sucks.
Uh, he won by 6.3 points only several months ago. So you're incredulous about Obama improving by at least 3.7 points nationally, let alone in one of the most aggressively Democratic shifting states?

I don't think it's his analysis that sucks here.

Hmm, his approval rating there is 52%, lower than his 2008 vote total. So yeah, I have a hard time believing it.

I agree, outliers happen.

And Rasmussen's final VA poll before the election wasn't the best either ...

Didnt he show Obama up just 49%-48% in the final VA poll?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 12, 2009, 12:07:27 AM
I love that Obama will win VA by 10 points or more. Dude, your "system" sucks.
Uh, he won by 6.3 points only several months ago. So you're incredulous about Obama improving by at least 3.7 points nationally, let alone in one of the most aggressively Democratic shifting states?

I don't think it's his analysis that sucks here.

Hmm, his approval rating there is 52%, lower than his 2008 vote total. So yeah, I have a hard time believing it.

I agree, outliers happen.

And Rasmussen's final VA poll before the election wasn't the best either ...

Didnt he show Obama up just 49%-48% in the final VA poll?

51-47

Fox News Poll

Obama Approval/Disapproval

Overall: 63%/31%

Hmm, I find it strange to see Gallup's adult voter model having lower approvals than Fox's registered voter model ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on June 12, 2009, 08:50:48 AM
Fox always gave him high approvals...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 12, 2009, 01:41:33 PM
Illinois (Rasmussen):

62% Approve
37% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Illinois was conducted by Rasmussen Reports June 10, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/illinois/61_of_illinois_voters_say_they_would_definitely_vote_against_roland_burris


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on June 12, 2009, 04:10:05 PM
Hmm, I find it strange to see Gallup's adult voter model having lower approvals than Fox's registered voter model ...

Fox is a liberal commie poll, quite obviously.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on June 12, 2009, 05:20:58 PM
Hmm, I find it strange to see Gallup's adult voter model having lower approvals than Fox's registered voter model ...

Fox is a liberal commie poll, quite obviously.

Like I just said, but you ignored... Fox always gives him high ratings.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on June 12, 2009, 06:56:04 PM
National - Ipsos-McClatchy [June 4-8, 2009]

http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pressrelease.cfm?id=4429

Approve 64% (-1)
Disapprove 32% (+1)

1023 adults; 823 registered voters


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 13, 2009, 01:43:19 PM
Gallup is back to normal levels again:

63-29 (+4, -5)

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on June 14, 2009, 03:27:59 PM
So, in four different national polls Obama's approval is 63(Gallup), 63(R2k), 64(Ipsos) and 62(Fox).
Yet Rassmusen gives him 62 at his home state.

Ooooookay!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 14, 2009, 03:45:46 PM
KOS doesn't have an approval rating. It's a favorable rating. Big difference. But then again, you're not smart enough to realize that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on June 14, 2009, 03:46:49 PM
KOS doesn't have an approval rating. It's a favorable rating. Big difference. But then again, you're not smart enough to realize that.

Hey, at least I haven't misplaced a whole state.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 14, 2009, 03:47:43 PM
KOS doesn't have an approval rating. It's a favorable rating. Big difference. But then again, you're not smart enough to realize that.

Hey, at least I haven't misplaced a whole state.

Whatever the hell that even means...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on June 14, 2009, 04:02:54 PM
KOS doesn't have an approval rating. It's a favorable rating. Big difference. But then again, you're not smart enough to realize that.

Hey, at least I haven't misplaced a whole state.

Whatever the hell that even means...

And you are supposed to be the smart one. ::)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 14, 2009, 04:05:33 PM
KOS doesn't have an approval rating. It's a favorable rating. Big difference. But then again, you're not smart enough to realize that.

Hey, at least I haven't misplaced a whole state.

Whatever the hell that even means...

And you are supposed to be the smart one. ::)

Sorry, I don't speak gibberish.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on June 14, 2009, 04:09:23 PM

Ok, let's explain it to you like you're a four year old.

You seem to have misplaced a state the size of New Jersey.

Got it son?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 14, 2009, 04:12:06 PM

Ok, let's explain it to you like you're a four year old.

You seem to have misplaced a state the size of New Jersey.

Got it son?

Oh.

Hilarious.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 14, 2009, 10:52:59 PM


Please bear with me: Some blogger who did some poll-watching with an algorithm, someone capable of assessing the bias in polling and did a good job of predicting the 2008 election, uses a system similar to mine. Someone at www.fivethirtyeight.com (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com) has combined multiple polls, election results, and the national trend to show how "Election June 2009" would go:   

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Obama Approval Rating Exceeds 50% in States Containing 445 Electoral Votes
by Nate Silver @ 2:15 PM (June 14, 2009)


Where would Barack Obama be re-elected if an election were held today?

We can't know for sure, and it would depend on many contingencies, such as the identity of his Republican opponent. One quick-and-dirty way to assess this question, however, is to look at those states where Obama's approval rating is 50 percent or higher. Based on a compilation of public polls since February 15th, that appears to be the case in the following states:



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(Note well: anything not in any shade of blue gives Obama a positive rating, the lowest of which is 50.0% in Louisiana). Even those in pink look as if Obama would get 55% or more of the vote based on approval ratings alone, which implies that he would win them by double-digit margins. Really, anything in gray or the medium shade of blue (that's right --

T-E-X-A-S

should be considered a toss-up for now.


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Now, how did we come up with these numbers? We did a lot of work, that's how. First, we compiled a database of all publicly-available Obama approval and favorability numbers since February 15th, since which time Obama's approval ratings have been exceptionally steady. (Obama's disapproval ratings have increased some over this period, but we're only looking at the approval side of the coin for this exercise). A maximum of one poll was used in each state from each survey firm; this totals 88 polls in all, covering 39 of the 50 states.

Secondly, we performed an adjustment for house effects , just like we did during the election. Most of the approval ratings are from Public Policy Polling, SurveyUSA, Quinnipiac, Research 2000/Daily Kos, or Rasmussen; polls from all other survey firms were then lumped into an "Other" category. The PPP, Rasmussen and Research 2000 produces slightly lower numbers than average for Obama, and so were adjusted upward; the Quinnipiac, SurveyUSA and Other polls produced slightly higher numbers for Obama than average, and so were adjusted downward.

Obama's approval equals or exceeds 50 percent in all of the states that he won on November 4th, plus Arizona (10 electoral votes), Arkansas (6), Georgia (15), Kentucky (8), Louisiana (9), Missouri (11), South Dakota (3) and Tennessee (11).

Thirdly, in states where no approval polls have been conducted since February 15th, we took Obama's share of the vote on November 4th and added 6.1 points to it, which corresponds the average gain that Obama has made over his election day results in states where approval ratings are available. This flips Montana (3), Nebraska's 1st Congressional District (1) and North Dakota (3) to Obama.

...and that's how we got the map you see above, which contains 445 electoral votes for Obama.

Generally speaking, Obama's approval ratings are extremely strongly correlated with his November 4 results. If you take his election day total and add 6 points to it, you'll have a very good estimate of his approval rating in that state.

There are a couple of places, though, where there is a little bit of a suggestion that Obama is overperforming or underperforming. His approval ratings are somewhat slack in the Southwest relative to his election day totals, although it is hard to reach a definitive conclusion since we only have one poll to look at in Nevada, Colorado and New Mexico. Conversely, there are some signs that Obama is overperforming in the Inner South or what we sometimes call the "Highlands" region -- states like Kentucky, Tennessee, and Arkansas. These are places where Obama appeared to suffer somewhat owing to racial animus. I have theorized before that Obama might gain ground in these states as the manifest familiarity of his Presidency displaced the fear of his otherness. It is too early to confirm or refute that hypothesis, but we perhaps shouldn't completely rule out the possibility that Obama could be competitive in some of these states in 2012.



Key (different from the one you expect from me, but for approval ratings):

Near-black 70% or more
Deep red: 65-69.99%
Medium red: 60-64.9%
Pink 55-59.9%
Gray 50-54.9%
Blue 45-45.9%
Deep blue  44.9% or less


My new projection (I will add orange for states and in which Obama seems to have an approval rating above 52.5) based on Nate Silver:   


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Key:

GOP wins by 10% or more
GOP wins up to 9%

tossup -- Obama wins barely, if at all (under 5%)
Obama wins 5-9.9%
pink, red,  deep red, or near-black Obama wins by more than 10%


The near-black are DC, Hawaii, and Rhode Island, all hard to see. The usual caveats apply: who the GOP nominee is, and of course (by 2012) how good a President Obama is.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on June 14, 2009, 11:36:39 PM
Didn't someone tell you that approval and who would actually vote for him are two different things?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on June 15, 2009, 12:33:03 AM
These keep getting better and better.  I'm not a big fan of the rub-it-in thing after an election is over, but this is just too obnoxious.  I hope this is still going strong by the time 2012 rolls around because these maps are going to be hilarious.  And they'll be totally within the limits of reasonable gloating because of the total arrogance of the whole thing.  "Like, duh Obama is going to win Missouri by more than 10 points, are you kidding me?  Pssh..."
Don't tell me you guys didn't do this after 2004. At least we have more logic on our side than you guys did, Bush barely beat John Kerry, who was an anemic candidate. Obama could easily be an extremely popular president and you know your party has huge problems right now. Chances are that he will win pretty easily if the economy improves. Nothing definite can be said right now though, that's for sure.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 15, 2009, 01:28:59 AM
Didn't someone tell you that approval and who would actually vote for him are two different things?

Of course. People can vote for the lesser of two evils (both with lower-than 50% popularity) or the better of two good choices (both with popularity above 50%), in which the higher number likely wins. But the approval polls are all that we have, aside from the 2008 results.  That's why I have multiple colors on all predictive maps, and why I make so many qualifications, biggest of which is that Election 2012 is more than 40 months away. The second-biggest is that who the nominee is matters, too. This map is but one frame in a reel of film yet to be completed, and it could prove an outtake.

Votes that candidates won in 2008 won't mean a d@mned thing in November 2012. All that I show is a trend to the present in any prediction.

What doesn't  this model say?

1. That Obama is an effective President and that he will remain so.

2. The GOP can't rebound -- ever, or even before 2012.

3. That there won't be some Great Religious Revival that convinces enough people that it is their duty to vote for warmongers, exploiters, and reactionaries because their souls depend upon such even if it is contrary to their worldly interests (in essence, vote GOP or prepare to experience eternal damnation).

4. That people won't get nostalgic for the "good old days" of Dubya's Presidency.

5. That people will get more concerned about taxes than about income.

6. That Obama won't do appreciable campaigning.


.... Okay. This map must have some validity and some relevance, or a reputable analyst of the polls wouldn't offer it.  If I am GOP I notice that my Party is in deep trouble even in places where John McCain did extremely well.  I might find it astonishing that Colorado and Nevada are more iffy than one might expect -- but it must be troubling that such a state as Ohio is drifting out of reach, and that taking back such states as Virginia, Florida, North Carolina, and Indiana will be tough. Missouri, which McCain barely won, is big trouble.

I look at this map and figure that Obama gets:

     9 EV  (only states and DC  in near-black)
 126 EV  (add deep red)
 259 EV  (add medium red)
 358 EV  (add pink)
 397 EV  (add orange)
 442 EV  (add gray)

Sure, Parties whose Presidential candidate loses badly in a landslide often rebound, but they must as a rule try to re-establish winning coalitions. The GOP coalition of tycoons, executives, and the Religious Right successful in 2000 and 2004 has shrunk to the point that it can't win on its own. The GOP needs to rebuild the Party from the grass roots even if such means supporting liberals in places in which incumbent Democrats seem entrenched.  

Demographic trends can make things even worse for the GOP. The young adult vote split about 2-1 Democratic in 2008, and it is supplanting older and more conservative voters in the polls -- and youth now 14 to 18 don't seem to be bucking the trend.  The fast-growing Hispanic population is electoral trouble for a Party that has so many nativists.  The GOP has begun to lose Suburbia as Suburbia becomes increasingly urban in nature.

It shows that the so-called Blue Firewall is intact, and that it may be expanding. It also shows that recent GOP gains among poor whites (especially in the South)  could be ephemeral. To win Presidential elections, the GOP must rebuild nationwide appeal. How? I have no idea. No, don't bet on failure by Obama; such is a bad bet because even if one loses that bet the prize is tainted.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 15, 2009, 01:47:48 AM
These keep getting better and better.  I'm not a big fan of the rub-it-in thing after an election is over, but this is just too obnoxious.  I hope this is still going strong by the time 2012 rolls around because these maps are going to be hilarious.  And they'll be totally within the limits of reasonable gloating because of the total arrogance of the whole thing.  "Like, duh Obama is going to win Missouri by more than 10 points, are you kidding me?  Pssh..."

Consider this more the equivalent of an audit of the books of a publicly-held corporation. Audits can show much bad news. Anyone who fails to see patterns that suggest trouble for the GOP is blind. America is changing and the GOP seems mired in a pattern that barely worked in 2000, 2002, and 2004 and has since failed badly twice. Your Party needs a new Ronald Reagan who can appeal in all regions of America, who can co-opt moderates, and who can convince Americans to give conservatism a chance. Your Party needs to be able to field candidates -- liberals if necessary -- to challenge corrupt and incompetent urban machines better able to waste public funds than to teach kids in school, fix potholes, and enforce the law. 

Unpleasant as an audit is, it can show a struggling firm what it must do to save itself. Sometimes a failing company must change its policies with respect to collection of receivables or issuing credit, in dropping unprofitable lines, in finding assets  such as real estate better sold off to someone else who can use them better...

Republicans delude themselves perhaps even more than anything on this map if they believe that they can pick of Pennsylvania or Michigan and start winning again. The trouble is far deeper than the need to spend more money here or there or make more campaign appearances. The GOP cannot win in 2012 with the 2000-2004 coalition alone.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on June 15, 2009, 08:48:37 AM
It's not the best you have. You can use the actual votes in Nov, the approval in Nov, plus the approvals of today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 15, 2009, 03:15:41 PM
The "audit" to which I refer is not so much about the Obama Presidency as it is about the GOP and its leading figures -- and their prospects for winning in 2012 or later.
With a financial audit, poor finances reflect other problems. A company with efficient manufacturing or service, with a product line up to the standard that customers like and ideally pay a premium for, with a competent sales force and suitable advertising will have good finances unless the executives are robbing the company blind (which is comparatively easy to detect -- Enron notwithstanding). A company in financial trouble might have inefficiencies of manufacturing that competitors don't have. It might be selling an obsolescent product or one with huge flaws or other inadequacies. An obsolescent or substandard product ends up at such places as Dollar General (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_General),  Family Dollar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Dollar_Stores), or Big Lots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lots), which as a seller of low-end goods might not be so profitable a marketing outlet as is one that can handle a hierarchy of features and quality among its wares.  Its sales force might be inadequate and complacent.  Its advertising campaigns may need renovation. It might be losing its engineers and creative people to competitors who can pay more and offer better perks (note well that such is how IBM and Xerox long dominated their markets -- not because they consistently had the most innovative products but instead because they were attractive places for engineers). 

Nate Silver offers (which is even harsher than my assessment) a window into a political party in disarray.   I see the prospect of a Party going into ideological bankruptcy as its once-reliable constituencies seem to be shrinking or else drifting away. GOTV campaigns do no good when the votes are not to be found. Enthusiasm of the base isn't enough when the base shrinks below the critical mass (example: American Communists  have at times been even more satisfied with their perception of the rectitude and relevance of their cause than Democrats and Republicans with theirs, but we know that support for the CPUSA has never been enough to even shape an election).

The Republican Party continues to rely heavily upon monetary contributions from giant corporations, their large shareholders, and executives -- but those have become far less reputable in recent years to people who actually work for them. The number of people who vote Republican because they think that they owe such to trustworthy bosses declines as people trust their workplace bosses far less. It relies heavily upon the Religious Right for votes -- and the Religious Right is in serious decline as youth flee it. The only group of people with whom the GOP won more votes in 2008 was a group that I best describe as "poor whites", one of the most fickle of voting blocs.

Look at how that bloc has voted since 1944:

1944 FDR
1948 Thurmond
1952 Stevenson
1956 Stevenson
1960 Kennedy
1964 Goldwater/ LBJ split
1968 Wallace
1972 Nixon
1976 Carter
1980 Reagan
1984 Reagan
1988 GHWB
1992 Clinton/Perot/GHWB split
1996 Clinton/Perot/Dole split
2000 Dubya
2004 Dubya
2008 McCain


The partisan divide is less significant than the ideological divide. It's not clear whether Stevenson was the liberal and Eisenhower was the conservative  in the 1950s. Kennedy and Carter were more liberal (if slightly so) than their opponents. Poor whites seem more likely than any other demographic groups to vote for third-party candidates, as shown in the inability of Wallace and Thurmond to get significant strength outside the South; they are also likely to vote for the Presidential candidates that the rest of the country rejects (examples: Stevenson won only in the South and bordering states in 1952 and 1956, and Goldwater won only his own non-Southern state of Arizona and some Southern states in 1964.   

Should the GOP lose enough of it in the 2012 general election, then the GOP nominee will lose in a blowout reminiscent of 1972 or 1984. The South has lots of poor whites, and if enough of them can recognize that they have more in common with poor blacks than with large landowners, then Obama wins states like Mississippi and Alabama in 2012.

It's up to GOP leadership to decide, as they alone can do, how to rescue their own Party from what looks like a serious and possibly lethal decline. In the 2008 election the GOP lost states that hadn't voted for a Democratic nominee in a long time: Indiana, North Carolina, and Virginia. They lost two states that had recently been seen as examples of the ascendancy of conservatism (Nevada and Colorado). They ran the strongest GOP nominee since Reagan (John McCain) and he still lost.  Conservatism is not dead, but any conservatism based upon superstition and class privilege has at most a limited shelf life. That shelf life seems to have expired, and even the Democrats are finding ways in which to attract conservatives who have objectives other than superstition and class privilege.

The GOP has been failing to appeal to youth who have no stake so far in class privilege because they see it only as a means of constricting such freedom as thy think rightly theirs, and even less in religion-based superstitions. If one sees the GOP as the de facto conservative party in America  then it is going far from the conservative precepts of Edmund Burke that remain relevant for over two hundred years. Conservatives, to have credibility, must offer something worthy of preservation as a legacy to humanity and must promote caution as an antidote to radical rhetoric and causes. Conservatism will have a strong revival in American history, but perhaps as a rift develops in the Democratic Party between those who want to go further and faster and those who think that political change once thought radical around 2008 is worthy of preservation. There just might not be a Republican Party, or it might have become another minor Party. 




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on June 15, 2009, 04:43:09 PM
Remember, if the election were held today against a generic Republican with almost no campaigning from either side, this would be the result. The interesting thing will be to see the trends from now to November 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 15, 2009, 05:15:30 PM
Remember, if the election were held today against a generic Republican with almost no campaigning from either side, this would be the result. The interesting thing will be to see the trends from now to November 2012.

Beyond question, Obama will face a not-so-generic GOP challenger in 2012, who will likely run a spirited campaign for the Presidency and will choose a VP candidate. That campaign could be very effective in challenging Obama -- or it could be a travesty. We just don't know.  Nobody can predict how popular Obama will be at the time, and how well Obama is perceived as President at the time will more determine whether he is re-elected or will not be re-elected. There will likely be gaffes by both sides, some gaffes more troublesome than others. 

The challenger will have clear and unambiguous connections to a region and will do better or worse among some of the usual Republican constituencies.  Obama will do better and worse among different Democratic constituencies.

Political culture will at the least face some incremental changes.  Some of those will be demographic. Some things won't change. I predict that George W. Bush will be hated as few ex-Presidents have been hated, and the Obama campaign will try as much as possible to link the Republican nominee, whether Saxby Chambliss or Olympia Snowe, to his still-disgraced predecessor. Will it work? Ask in 2012.

So far I assume that the so-called Blue Firewall will hold.  A bunch of states and the District of Columbia have voted indiscriminately for Democratic nominees for President since 1992 (WA, OR, CA, HI, MN, WI, IL, MI, PA, MD, DC, DE, NJ, NY, CT, RI, MA, VT, ME) and three have voted only once since then for a Republican nominee (IA, NH, NM) -- and none of them was close in 2008. Such states constituted 264 electoral votes in 2008 and will likely comprise about 255 in 2012. Add Florida, North Carolina, or Ohio, or two of CO, NV, AZ, MO, IN, and VA and the GOP nominee loses.  There won't be much room for error for the GOP nominee.

Nate Silver suggests that if nothing really changes, then Obama stands to win an electoral landslide on the scale of Eisenhower in 1956. Much will change.     


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on June 16, 2009, 01:16:56 AM
Approval is actually a very good tracker of how well an incumbent performs, generally.  Approval tends to decline among members of the opposite party and ideology as election-time increases tensions.  Other than that, it's genuinely the best projection method we have.

It's Generic GOPer vs. Generic Dem.  I mean, it's useless, but would an accurate presentation of who's leading as of now be any more useful?  It's fun.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 16, 2009, 06:24:57 AM
New York City-Quinnipiac

Approve 79%
Disapprove 16%

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1284.xml?ReleaseID=1314&What=&strArea=;&strTime=0


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 16, 2009, 12:44:41 PM
Wisconsin (Public Policy Polling):

55% Approve
40% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 580 Wisconsin voters on June 9th and 10th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-4.1%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_WI_616.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 17, 2009, 01:40:34 PM
Georgia (Strategic Vision):

49% Approve
43% Disapprove

The results are based on telephone interviews with 800 likely voters in Georgia, aged 18+, and conducted June 12-14, 2009 by telephone. The margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.

http://www.strategicvision.biz/political/georgia_poll_061709.htm


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 17, 2009, 01:59:04 PM
HUGE SurveyUSA release (polls conducted May 30 and June 15):

Alabama:

May: 47% Approve, 51% Disapprove (-4)
June: 46% Approve, 49% Disapprove (-3)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=ec90f8c3-6922-453a-9548-142faea42807

California:

May: 65% Approve, 32% Disapprove (+33)
June: 64% Approve, 32% Disapprove (+32)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c717d146-99e7-4de8-8217-9fb792fc2fb8

Iowa:

May: 66% Approve, 31% Disapprove (+35)
June: 57% Approve, 39% Disapprove (+18)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=6408b81e-dd35-4b69-9ad6-d765376ae58b

Kansas:

May: 53% Approve, 44% Disapprove (+9)
June: 49% Approve, 49% Disapprove (-)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c9cb9d95-0451-467c-8613-efb0bf5d4a7e

Kentucky:

May: 51% Approve, 45% Disapprove (+6)
June: 47% Approve, 51% Disapprove (-4)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=7821d33a-39fb-4798-bbec-849448704b72

Minnesota:

May: 61% Approve, 36% Disapprove (+25)
June: 59% Approve, 36% Disapprove (+23)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=836b59e0-2aa3-472d-a03b-0c523b7edbc9

Missouri:

May: 52% Approve, 44% Disapprove (+8)
June: 51% Approve, 45% Disapprove (+6)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=df83ddf0-e81b-4665-8845-22c2259d620e

New Mexico:

May: 62% Approve, 35% Disapprove (+27)
June: 53% Approve, 44% Disapprove (+9)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=fedc4074-c638-4e1f-8071-439470cd78cb

New York:

May: 72% Approve, 26% Disapprove (+46)
June: 65% Approve, 30% Disapprove (+35)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=a5e2c33c-bec0-49e9-9f7a-41e6c61021ff

Oregon:

May: 56% Approve, 40% Disapprove (+16)
June: 56% Approve, 41% Disapprove (+15)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=87dabdb7-5435-402e-891e-11b3bf475127

Virginia:

May: 60% Approve, 36% Disapprove (+24)
June: 59% Approve, 36% Disapprove (+23)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=160c2abe-62b7-457a-85cd-dede0055e407

Washington:

May: 63% Approve, 33% Disapprove (+30)
June: 63% Approve, 33% Disapprove (+30)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c34262fe-7152-4e56-be8d-dd7e32b0f6dd

Wisconsin:

May: 57% Approve, 39% Disapprove (+18)
June: 59% Approve, 38% Disapprove (+21)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=4073822a-e65c-48e3-8d7f-7b02fc7d5456


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 17, 2009, 02:21:47 PM
He's slightly going down. New Mexico is interesting, as it is below the national average. It could end up being a toss-up on election day, 2012. I'm still suprised how high Obama's approval ratings are in Virginia though. Besides that, nothing suprising here. I think most expect Obama's approval ratings to keep slipping until the economy recovers (if it does).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 17, 2009, 02:27:36 PM
Approval Map (only 1 month old polls):

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on June 17, 2009, 03:11:45 PM
Obama's Kansas and Iowa numbers are a real rolercoaster.
Ten and twenty points swings every month? Really?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on June 17, 2009, 03:14:30 PM
New Mexico is really suprising. Wonder what the big drop there was for.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 17, 2009, 03:16:37 PM
Mine again, and not my interpretation of Nate Silver's model:

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White indicates an exact tie -- in Kansas. That is a huge surprise.


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Key:

GOP wins by 10% or more
GOP wins 5-9%
GOP wins up to 5%
tossup
Obama wins up to 5%
Obama wins 5-9%
Obama wins 10% or more


I would not be surprised to see several southern states (notably TN, AR, and LA) become GOP-leaners in view of Kentucky.  My system causes me to force KY into the GOP category but GA out of it. I'm not calling Kansas a tossup.
 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on June 17, 2009, 06:02:57 PM
Do you think ND, SD, MT, CO will lean GOP anytime soon?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 17, 2009, 06:21:12 PM
NBC/WSJ Obama Approval
Approve 56%
Disapprove 34%

http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/WSJ-NBC_Poll090617.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on June 17, 2009, 06:24:46 PM
NBC/WSJ Obama Approval
Approve 56%
Disapprove 34%

http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/WSJ-NBC_Poll090617.pdf

...Wow... and that's from NBC.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BM on June 17, 2009, 07:28:45 PM
That approval is exactly the same as Rasmussen's from today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on June 17, 2009, 07:48:01 PM
NBC/WSJ Obama Approval
Approve 56%
Disapprove 34%

http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/WSJ-NBC_Poll090617.pdf

...Wow... and that's from NBC.

...and the Wall Street Journal.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on June 17, 2009, 08:20:59 PM
NBC/WSJ Obama Approval
Approve 56%
Disapprove 34%

http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/WSJ-NBC_Poll090617.pdf

...Wow... and that's from NBC.

...and the Wall Street Journal.

Meanwhile, the Democratic Party has a +8 favorability rating (45-37) and the Republican Party a -19 favorability rating (25-44)

Sample: Dem/Dem-leaning Independent 41%; Independent 18%; Rep/Rep-leaning Independent: 30%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 17, 2009, 11:54:40 PM
New Mexico is really suprising. Wonder what the big drop there was for.

Could be a simple outlier.

Back to 60%+ next month ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 18, 2009, 12:31:22 AM
Do you think ND, SD, MT, CO will lean GOP anytime soon?

CO? I am surprised that Colorado is so close as it is. The poll is old.

SD? The latest poll (and it is old) indicated that Obama had about a 60% approval rating in the state.

ND? No poll, but I assume that it goes with its southern neighbor.

MT? No poll yet, but I figure that Montana -- which was close in 2008 -- is more likely to go D than either Dakota.

Bonuses:

AZ? I am surprised that it seems to be for a "generic Republican".

UT? I call it a leaner for the GOP because of its history even with a positive poll for Obama.

ID? WY? No poll, so I go on the 2008 election.

Nebraska:

NE-01? I'm going with NE-02 on that one as a clue. No poll.

NE-02? There is a poll out, and Obama had a huge favorable rating.

NE-03? Arguably the most conservative electoral vote or set of votes up for grabs in  an election

NE- at large? Practically a toss-up.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on June 18, 2009, 12:28:17 PM
National (CBS/NYT):

Obama (Job Approval):

Approve 63% (-); Disapprove 26% (-)

Foreign policy: Approve 59% (-); Disapprove 25% (-)
The threat of terrorism: Approve 57% (+2); Disapprove 24% (-4)
The economy: Approve 57% (+1); Disapprove 35% (+2)
Health care: Approve 44%; Disapprove 34%
Problems facing the auto industry: Approve 41%; Disapprove 46%

Views of the budget deficit:

41% say the government should spend money to stimulate the economy, even if it means increasing the deficit; 54% say the government should not spend money to stimulate the economy and should instead focus on reducing the deficit

30% say that the Obama administration has developed a clear strategy for dealing with the budget deficit; 60% say it has not

Democratic Party: Favorable 57% (+1); Unfavorable 32% (-2)
Republican Party: Favorable 28% (-3); Unfavorable 58% (-)

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/18/us/politics/18poll.html?_r=2&ref=politics

CBS/NYT interviewed 895 adults between June 12-16, 2009. Sample: Democrat 35% (-); Republican 24% (+4); Independent 31% (-5)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 18, 2009, 12:36:08 PM
National (CBS/NYT):

Obama (Job Approval):

Approve 63% (-); Disapprove 26% (-)

Foreign policy: Approve 59% (-); Disapprove 25% (-)
The threat of terrorism: Approve 57% (+2); Disapprove 24% (-4)
The economy: Approve 57% (+1); Disapprove 35% (+2)
Health care: Approve 44%; Disapprove 34%
Problems facing the auto industry: Approve 41%; Disapprove 46%

Views of the budget deficit:

41% say the government should spend money to stimulate the economy, even if it means increasing the deficit; 54% say the government should not spend money to stimulate the economy and should instead focus on reducing the deficit

30% say that the Obama administration has developed a clear strategy for dealing with the budget deficit; 60% say it has not

Democratic Party: Favorable 57% (+1); Unfavorable 32% (-2)
Republican Party: Favorable 28% (-3); Unfavorable 58% (-)

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/18/us/politics/18poll.html?_r=2&ref=politics

CBS/NYT interviewed 895 adults between June 12-16, 2009. Sample: Democrat 35% (-); Republican 24% (+4); Independent 31% (-5)
It's quite interesting that Obama's approval rating is higher than the issues, which proves that many Americans are "in love" with Obama, despite the fact they don't like what he's doing...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on June 18, 2009, 12:42:07 PM
Apparently, there is a Pew poll coming out later that will show strong numbers for Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on June 18, 2009, 12:49:56 PM
Apparently, there is a Pew poll coming out later that will show strong numbers for Obama.

61-30

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on June 18, 2009, 12:56:26 PM
National (CBS/NYT):

Obama (Job Approval):

Approve 63% (-); Disapprove 26% (-)

Foreign policy: Approve 59% (-); Disapprove 25% (-)
The threat of terrorism: Approve 57% (+2); Disapprove 24% (-4)
The economy: Approve 57% (+1); Disapprove 35% (+2)
Health care: Approve 44%; Disapprove 34%
Problems facing the auto industry: Approve 41%; Disapprove 46%

Views of the budget deficit:

41% say the government should spend money to stimulate the economy, even if it means increasing the deficit; 54% say the government should not spend money to stimulate the economy and should instead focus on reducing the deficit

30% say that the Obama administration has developed a clear strategy for dealing with the budget deficit; 60% say it has not

Democratic Party: Favorable 57% (+1); Unfavorable 32% (-2)
Republican Party: Favorable 28% (-3); Unfavorable 58% (-)

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/18/us/politics/18poll.html?_r=2&ref=politics

CBS/NYT interviewed 895 adults between June 12-16, 2009. Sample: Democrat 35% (-); Republican 24% (+4); Independent 31% (-5)
It's quite interesting that Obama's approval rating is higher than the issues, which proves that many Americans are "in love" with Obama, despite the fact they don't like what he's doing...


The WSJ/NBC poll is even more telling on that score:

48% said they like the president personally and approve of most of his policies
27% said they like the president personally but disapprove of many of his policies

3% said they don't like the president personally but approve of many of his policies
16% said they don't like the president personally and disapprove of many of his policies


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 18, 2009, 01:07:49 PM
Pennsylvania (Rasmussen):

60% Approve
39% Disapprove

This telephone survey of 800 Likely Voters was conducted by Rasmussen Reports June 16, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/pennsylvania/toplines_2010_pennsylvania_senate_election_june_16_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 18, 2009, 01:18:05 PM
Virginia (R2000/DailyKos):

56% Favorable
41% Unfavorable

The Research 2000 Virginia Poll was conducted from June 15 through June 17, 2009. A total of 600 likely voters who vote regularly in state elections were interviewed statewide by telephone.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/6/17/VA/310


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on June 18, 2009, 01:23:50 PM
His support is definitely softening a bit.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 18, 2009, 01:39:45 PM
Views of the budget deficit:

41% say the government should spend money to stimulate the economy, even if it means increasing the deficit; 54% say the government should not spend money to stimulate the economy and should instead focus on reducing the deficit

Yet again the American public shows it doesn't know what the f**k it's talking about.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 18, 2009, 02:21:28 PM
Views of the budget deficit:

41% say the government should spend money to stimulate the economy, even if it means increasing the deficit; 54% say the government should not spend money to stimulate the economy and should instead focus on reducing the deficit

Yet again the American public shows it doesn't know what the f**k it's talking about.

Yup. And then they'd start complaining when the economy cratered again. Idiots. ::)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on June 18, 2009, 04:19:16 PM
Views of the budget deficit:

41% say the government should spend money to stimulate the economy, even if it means increasing the deficit; 54% say the government should not spend money to stimulate the economy and should instead focus on reducing the deficit

Yet again the American public shows it doesn't know what the f**k it's talking about.

The craziest part is the same poll showed approval of Obama's handling of the economy 57% to 35%.  But not for how he's handling it?  Hard to understand the contradiction.  Maybe people felt now that we've spent enough, we should hold off?  Or just people want no deficit, no taxes, and things that cost a lot of money.


Perhaps they like what he's done thus far, but want him to moderate now that the immediate crisis is over.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on June 18, 2009, 06:17:21 PM
Perhaps, they are still trying to justify why he was elected?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 19, 2009, 09:05:57 AM
Hawaii (R2000/DailyKos):

68% Favorable
26% Unfavorable

The Research 2000 Hawaii Poll was conducted from June 15 through June 17, 2009. A total of 600 likely voters who vote regularly in state elections were interviewed statewide by telephone.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/6/17/HI/311


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 19, 2009, 09:18:22 AM
One more state finally polled:

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Yawn! It's Hawaii. No big surprise there. Don't wake me up for Vermont, Maine, DC, or Maryland.


(White is an exact tie, and Kansas is a huge surprise!)


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Key:

GOP wins by 10% or more
GOP wins 5-9%
GOP wins up to 5%
tossup
Obama wins up to 5%
Obama wins 5-9%
Obama wins 10% or more


Because of Kentucky I am changing Arkansas to "Lean GOP".

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 19, 2009, 09:27:03 AM
Yawn! It's Hawaii. No big surprise there. Don't wake me up for Vermont, Maine, DC, or Maryland.

Actually I found a recent Maine poll by Critical Insights:

Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Barack Obama?

61% Favorable
25% Unfavorable

For the current wave of the study, Critical Insights completed a total of 601 random telephone interviews across the state between May 14, 2009 and May 20, 2009.

With a sample of 601 interviews, results presented here have an associated margin of error of ±3.4 percentage points at the 90% confidence level, or ±4.0 percentage points at the 95% confidence level.

All interviews were conducted with self-reported registered voters; final data was statistically weighted according to relevant demographics to reflect the voter base in Maine.

http://www.criticalinsights.com/assets/CriticalInsightsTrackingSurveySpring2009.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 19, 2009, 10:47:40 AM
Maine added:


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Eight states (VT, MD, MS, MT, ND, ID, WY, AK) and DC still unpolled, one only partially polled (NE), but the partial poll is interesting.  I assume that Maine's two congressional districts are fairly even, but if they aren't then one is 55% and the other is 65% or something like that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on June 19, 2009, 12:04:23 PM
Gallup (Adults):

58% Approve (-3) (Seems to be the lowest so far)
33% Disaprove (+1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 19, 2009, 03:31:05 PM
You shouldn't include polls in your map that ask for favorability instead of approval. It is usually purposely done that way to make the numbers higher.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on June 19, 2009, 04:34:03 PM
You shouldn't include polls in your map that ask for favorability instead of approval. It is usually purposely done that way to make the numbers higher.

Yeah, favourability implies that pollsters are asking about how the responsdants like Obama personally, not job wise.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on June 19, 2009, 04:34:18 PM
I'm still somewhat surprised by Obama's approvals in Colorado and Arizona.

I will be very interested in a Montana poll, they don't seem to like government spending there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on June 19, 2009, 05:39:57 PM
I'm still somewhat surprised by Obama's approvals in Colorado and Arizona.

I will be very interested in a Montana poll, they don't seem to like government spending there.
You would expect Obama is god in Colorado, but that's not the case.  I can't wait to see what the map looks like when all the polls are in.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 19, 2009, 11:42:05 PM
You shouldn't include polls in your map that ask for favorability instead of approval. It is usually purposely done that way to make the numbers higher.

Yeah, favourability implies that pollsters are asking about how the responsdants like Obama personally, not job wise.

Job approvals are just 2-3% lower than favorability ratings. So, in the case of Maine, where job approval was not asked and favorabilty is in the 60s, we can assume that approval is also above 50%. So we can include this as an exception.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 19, 2009, 11:43:31 PM
Michigan (Rasmussen, June 15):

59% Approve
39% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/michigan/toplines/toplines_michigan_june_15_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on June 20, 2009, 11:15:29 AM
Looks to me like that his job approval has moved down another 2-4 points from the holding pattern we've been in over the last three months.

The WSJ/NBC is a quality poll, folks, in that it weights its numbers enough that so you're not going to get the weird outliers you tend to get this time of the political season.

If you're trusting CBS/NYT for anything, you need to have your head examined.

The gap between computer-operated polls and phone-operated polls still exists.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 20, 2009, 12:51:07 PM
This is interesting:

Editorial note: Gallup will not publish new Gallup Poll Daily tracking results Saturday, June 20. The next update will be Sunday, June 21.

I bet they got a word from Dear Leader. He didn’t like their results.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 20, 2009, 12:52:22 PM
This is interesting:

Editorial note: Gallup will not publish new Gallup Poll Daily tracking results Saturday, June 20. The next update will be Sunday, June 21.

I bet they got a word from Dear Leader. He didn’t like their results.

Or Omaha was hit by a tornado once again ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on June 20, 2009, 01:09:12 PM
This is interesting:

Editorial note: Gallup will not publish new Gallup Poll Daily tracking results Saturday, June 20. The next update will be Sunday, June 21.

I bet they got a word from Dear Leader. He didn’t like their results.

Dude, it's Saturday evening.
Go get some because you are starting to come apart.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on June 20, 2009, 01:25:12 PM
This is interesting:

Editorial note: Gallup will not publish new Gallup Poll Daily tracking results Saturday, June 20. The next update will be Sunday, June 21.

I bet they got a word from Dear Leader. He didn’t like their results.

Dude, it's Saturday evening.
Go get some because you are starting to come apart.
^^^^^^^


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on June 21, 2009, 08:26:39 AM
Rasmussen 21 June 2009:

Approve 53% (-1)

Disapprove 46% (-)

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 32% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-four percent (34%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -2. That’s the President’s lowest rating to date and the first time the Presidential Approval Index has fallen below zero for Obama.

Sixty percent (60%) of Democrats Strongly Approve of the President’s performance but only 8% of Republicans share that view. Sixty-one percent (61%) of Republicans Strongly Disapprove.


 Six months into to the job, is the honeymoon over?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 21, 2009, 08:52:26 AM
Rasmussen 21 June 2009:

Approve 53% (-1)

Disapprove 46% (-)

 Six months into to the job, is the honeymoon over?

It's over. That approval is now very close to the results of the 2008 Presidential election. Such will be adequate in 2012.

It could be the mess in Iran; the GOP finally has something to capitalize upon. As the #1 Diplomat, the President can't stir up trouble, but the Opposition Party can get away with far more stridency.  That's how democracy works.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on June 21, 2009, 09:26:24 AM
Republic, and no he is being blamed for his own faults.

BTW, 53% isn't the number that would vote for him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 21, 2009, 09:33:43 AM
Yeah Bush was at 53% on election day 2004, but only got 51% of the vote.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on June 21, 2009, 09:35:13 AM
Rasmussen 21 June 2009:

Approve 53% (-1)

Disapprove 46% (-)

 Six months into to the job, is the honeymoon over?

It's over. That approval is now very close to the results of the 2008 Presidential election. Such will be adequate in 2012.

It could be the mess in Iran; the GOP finally has something to capitalize upon. As the #1 Diplomat, the President can't stir up trouble, but the Opposition Party can get away with far more stridency.  That's how democracy works.

I'm not sure if it's Iran. Rasmussen released polling data on Friday:

 Link  (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics2/on_iran_43_say_obama_s_response_about_right_35_say_not_aggressive_enough)

Has President Obama been too aggressive in supporting the reformers in Iran, not agressive enough, of has the response been about right?

Too aggressive: 9%
Not agressive enough: 35%
About right: 43%
Not sure: 14%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on June 21, 2009, 09:40:24 AM
I agree Hawk, because I saw those statistics, too.

Some people are slow learners, and may only be finding out one thing or another, recently. Some may have given him several months grace.

This is also the first day that Obama had a negative number for strongly approve/disaprove. While those aren't as telling as the total number, it does indicate that his opposition is beginning to look as strong or stronger than his current "base."

Then again, we could see Gallup heading back into the other direction with its adults poll, causing us to through our arms up in the air.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on June 21, 2009, 10:21:03 AM
Does anyone have approval info for Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton and Bush Jr from this point in their first term?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on June 21, 2009, 10:31:13 AM
Does anyone have approval info for Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton and Bush Jr from this point in their first term?

According to Gallup: http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx

Jimmy Carter 63% (June 1977)
Ronald Reagan 59% (June 1981)
George H. W. Bush 70% (June 1989)
Bill Clinton 41% (June 1993)
George W. Bush 54% (June 2001)

Average for U.S. Presidents Since Franklin D. Roosevelt: 55%
Average for Elected Presidents' Second Quarter: 62%

Barack Obama's Most Recent Weekly Approval Rating Average: 61% (Jun 8-14, 2009)
 
Barack Obama's Term Average: 63%
 
Barack Obama's High Point: 69% (Jan 22-24, 2009)
 
Barack Obama's Low Point: 59% (several times; most recent: Jun 7-9, 2009)

Though Obama currently stands at 58%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on June 21, 2009, 10:37:19 AM
Yeah Bush was at 53% on election day 2004, but only got 51% of the vote.

Much would depend Obama's Republican opponent. Someone who disapproves may well vote Obama if the Republican alternative, was, in their eyes, worse still

Much depends on the economy - and Obama's approvals could echo Reagan's. Will Obama be at 35% in Gallup come January 2011? Because that is where Reagan stood in January 1983. Things got worse with Reagan long before they improved to the point that he was re-elected in a landslide

Signs suggests that the president remains personally popular and pretty well-liked but there is, for now, decreasing confidence in aspects of his agenda


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on June 21, 2009, 10:38:43 AM
Does anyone have approval info for Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton and Bush Jr from this point in their first term?

According to Gallup: http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx

Jimmy Carter 63% (June 1977)
Ronald Reagan 59% (June 1981)
George H. W. Bush 70% (June 1989)
Bill Clinton 41% (June 1993)
George W. Bush 54% (June 2001)

So it's very stupid to use approvals to guess if a president will be reelected at this point.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on June 21, 2009, 11:10:45 AM
Does anyone have approval info for Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton and Bush Jr from this point in their first term?

According to Gallup: http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx

Jimmy Carter 63% (June 1977)
Ronald Reagan 59% (June 1981)
George H. W. Bush 70% (June 1989)
Bill Clinton 41% (June 1993)
George W. Bush 54% (June 2001)

So it's very stupid to use approvals to guess if a president will be reelected at this point.

It's stupid to say that he will be reelected or won't be reelected.

It's not stupid to guess. The evidence just says it is not likely, given that current trends continue. The people that this hurts the most (given trends continue to the fall and next fall) are freshmen Congressmen, Corzine, and maybe even Deeds.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on June 21, 2009, 11:55:18 AM

Obama's still doing well in Virginia.  I also don't think Deeds is tied too closely to Obama for it to hurt him unless Obama falls into the 40's.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 21, 2009, 12:00:24 PM
Rasmussen 21 June 2009:

Approve 53% (-1)

Disapprove 46% (-)

 Six months into to the job, is the honeymoon over?

It's over. That approval is now very close to the results of the 2008 Presidential election. Such will be adequate in 2012.

It could be the mess in Iran; the GOP finally has something to capitalize upon. As the #1 Diplomat, the President can't stir up trouble, but the Opposition Party can get away with far more stridency.  That's how democracy works.

I'm not sure if it's Iran. Rasmussen released polling data on Friday:

 Link  (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics2/on_iran_43_say_obama_s_response_about_right_35_say_not_aggressive_enough)

Has President Obama been too aggressive in supporting the reformers in Iran, not agressive enough, of has the response been about right?

Too aggressive: 9%
Not agressive enough: 35%
About right: 43%
Not sure: 14%

I think that Iran is the first test in which the GOP has a chance as the Outsiders to be more aggressive than the President and get away with it. Those who don't have direct responsibilities for the failure of international policy can get away with much that that the Party in power can't. Obama must be more cautious, and the GOP can get with sharper expressions of solidarity with Iranian revolutionaries (and it is a revolution).  Obama has other concerns: what do Turkish, Pakistani, or Saudi leadership think? How does this influence events in Iraq and Afghanistan? Turkey, Pakistan, Iraq, and Afghanistan all have borders with Iran, and Saudi Arabia is a near-neighbor. GOP leadership has no such concerns, having more pressing ones (namely, revival of its political chances in 2010 and 2012). Such is politics, and the GOP isn't going to roll over and play dead.  

In the short term this is a no-win situation for Obama in domestic, partisan politics.  But that's not the end of the story. It can be an unmitigated disaster for America should an anti-American government successfully crack down on a revolution to which the President has given verbal support. Obama has little to gain in the event of a successful revolution in Iran that makes Iran less hostile to the US. Of course that is short term. Long-term damage arises from a crackdown on a revolution with the establishment of rule more hostile to the United States and that decides to support anti-American violence in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The long-term effects of a pro-American or less-hostile Iranian government offer much potential for good for Obama, and in that case he gets the credit for diplomatic measures that cut off support for anti-American violence in Iraq and Afghanistan.

... I am ready for the Obama Administration to be judged on its achievements more than upon promises. Isn't everyone? So far he has gone for comparatively-easy victories and gestures, which makes much more sense than putting everything on the line early.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on June 21, 2009, 12:04:34 PM

Obama's still doing well in Virginia.  I also don't think Deeds is tied too closely to Obama for it to hurt him unless Obama falls into the 40's.

That's why I said maybe. ;)

pbrower: Again, it's not Iran. You are just making things up.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 21, 2009, 12:05:46 PM
Gallup today:

Approve 57%(-1, lowest ever)
Disapprove 35%(+2, highest ever)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ronnie on June 21, 2009, 02:01:49 PM
Hm, his approvals are still very good.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on June 21, 2009, 04:50:43 PM
It looks like Obama is hovering around 55-57% approval ratings. I think as long as Obama doesn't go under 40%, he'll be fine. Then, when the economy turns around, his approval will shoot up, similar to W's approval after they captured Saddam.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 21, 2009, 05:37:15 PM
PPP North Carolina
Approve 50%
Disapprove 43%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on June 21, 2009, 05:44:59 PM
PPP North Carolina
Approve 50%
Disapprove 43%

That's about right. Obama won NC with a margin of -7 the national popular vote. His approvals hover around 57% at the moment.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on June 21, 2009, 05:46:12 PM

Evidence?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on June 21, 2009, 05:50:48 PM

There hasn't really been an economic recovery yet, but I'd guess that there's a VERY strong chance that the economy will rebound in the next few years before 2012, enough to boost Obama's approval ratings no matter what they are (could be 20% or 80%).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on June 21, 2009, 06:25:21 PM

There hasn't really been an economic recovery yet, but I'd guess that there's a VERY strong chance that the economy will rebound in the next few years before 2012, enough to boost Obama's approval ratings no matter what they are (could be 20% or 80%).

If the economy is still in the crapper on November 6, 2012 Obamam doesnt even deserve the nomination.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on June 21, 2009, 06:27:25 PM

There hasn't really been an economic recovery yet, but I'd guess that there's a VERY strong chance that the economy will rebound in the next few years before 2012, enough to boost Obama's approval ratings no matter what they are (could be 20% or 80%).

Who the hell cares about 2012?  Democrats need to be worried about 2010 right now. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on June 21, 2009, 06:29:49 PM

There hasn't really been an economic recovery yet, but I'd guess that there's a VERY strong chance that the economy will rebound in the next few years before 2012, enough to boost Obama's approval ratings no matter what they are (could be 20% or 80%).

Who the hell cares about 2012?  Democrats need to be worried about 2010 right now. 

No, it'll be a landslide victory in '10. I know because I read it on this forum.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on June 21, 2009, 06:32:16 PM

There hasn't really been an economic recovery yet, but I'd guess that there's a VERY strong chance that the economy will rebound in the next few years before 2012, enough to boost Obama's approval ratings no matter what they are (could be 20% or 80%).

Who the hell cares about 2012?  Democrats need to be worried about 2010 right now. 

Yeah, I actually find it doubtful we'll make gains. But, look at '94, Republican landslide and Dole did terrible in '96. The midterms are a good guide, not always though. If we do well in 2010, it'll be because of Republican failings, not our success.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on June 21, 2009, 06:36:23 PM

There hasn't really been an economic recovery yet, but I'd guess that there's a VERY strong chance that the economy will rebound in the next few years before 2012, enough to boost Obama's approval ratings no matter what they are (could be 20% or 80%).

Who the hell cares about 2012?  Democrats need to be worried about 2010 right now. 

Yeah, I actually find it doubtful we'll make gains. But, look at '94, Republican landslide and Dole did terrible in '96. The midterms are a good guide, not always though. If we do well in 2010, it'll be because of Republican failings, not our success.

Clinton beat Dole because he basically became a Republican, abandoning healthcare reform, and signing Welfare Reform and deregulation.  A Republican landslide in 2010 would likely wipe Democrats out of Congress for at least another 12 years. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on June 21, 2009, 06:48:05 PM

There hasn't really been an economic recovery yet, but I'd guess that there's a VERY strong chance that the economy will rebound in the next few years before 2012, enough to boost Obama's approval ratings no matter what they are (could be 20% or 80%).

Who the hell cares about 2012?  Democrats need to be worried about 2010 right now. 

Yeah, I actually find it doubtful we'll make gains. But, look at '94, Republican landslide and Dole did terrible in '96. The midterms are a good guide, not always though. If we do well in 2010, it'll be because of Republican failings, not our success.

Clinton beat Dole because he basically became a Republican, abandoning healthcare reform, and signing Welfare Reform and deregulation.  A Republican landslide in 2010 would likely wipe Democrats out of Congress for at least another 12 years. 

Then everybody would talk about how the Democratic party is dead, and how they've lost touch with America, blah, blah, blah.

Anyway, Republicans will make gains in 2010, but they will be hard pressed to take back either house of congress.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on June 21, 2009, 06:51:00 PM

There hasn't really been an economic recovery yet, but I'd guess that there's a VERY strong chance that the economy will rebound in the next few years before 2012, enough to boost Obama's approval ratings no matter what they are (could be 20% or 80%).

Who the hell cares about 2012?  Democrats need to be worried about 2010 right now. 

Yeah, I actually find it doubtful we'll make gains. But, look at '94, Republican landslide and Dole did terrible in '96. The midterms are a good guide, not always though. If we do well in 2010, it'll be because of Republican failings, not our success.

Clinton beat Dole because he basically became a Republican, abandoning healthcare reform, and signing Welfare Reform and deregulation.  A Republican landslide in 2010 would likely wipe Democrats out of Congress for at least another 12 years. 

Then everybody would talk about how the Democratic party is dead, and how they've lost touch with America, blah, blah, blah.

Anyway, Republicans will make gains in 2010, but they will be hard pressed to take back either house of congress.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on June 21, 2009, 06:56:46 PM

There hasn't really been an economic recovery yet, but I'd guess that there's a VERY strong chance that the economy will rebound in the next few years before 2012, enough to boost Obama's approval ratings no matter what they are (could be 20% or 80%).

Who the hell cares about 2012?  Democrats need to be worried about 2010 right now. 

Yeah, I actually find it doubtful we'll make gains. But, look at '94, Republican landslide and Dole did terrible in '96. The midterms are a good guide, not always though. If we do well in 2010, it'll be because of Republican failings, not our success.

Clinton beat Dole because he basically became a Republican, abandoning healthcare reform, and signing Welfare Reform and deregulation.  A Republican landslide in 2010 would likely wipe Democrats out of Congress for at least another 12 years. 

Then everybody would talk about how the Democratic party is dead, and how they've lost touch with America, blah, blah, blah.

Anyway, Republicans will make gains in 2010, but they will be hard pressed to take back either house of congress.

Well, luckily for the Democrats, the Senate is impossible this cycle, but the House could get awfully close. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on June 21, 2009, 07:38:30 PM
Does anyone have approval info for Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton and Bush Jr from this point in their first term?

According to Gallup: http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx

Jimmy Carter 63% (June 1977)
Ronald Reagan 59% (June 1981)
George H. W. Bush 70% (June 1989)
Bill Clinton 41% (June 1993)
George W. Bush 54% (June 2001)

So it's very stupid to use approvals to guess if a president will be reelected at this point.

It's stupid to say that he will be reelected or won't be reelected.

It's not stupid to guess. The evidence just says it is not likely, given that current trends continue. The people that this hurts the most (given trends continue to the fall and next fall) are freshmen Congressmen, Corzine, and maybe even Deeds.

*facepalm*


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mechaman on June 21, 2009, 10:17:31 PM
Holy sh**t, Bush senior had a 70% approval rating only 5 months after taking office?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on June 21, 2009, 10:52:19 PM
Does anyone have approval info for Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton and Bush Jr from this point in their first term?

According to Gallup: http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx

Jimmy Carter 63% (June 1977)
Ronald Reagan 59% (June 1981)
George H. W. Bush 70% (June 1989)
Bill Clinton 41% (June 1993)
George W. Bush 54% (June 2001)

So it's very stupid to use approvals to guess if a president will be reelected at this point.

It's stupid to say that he will be reelected or won't be reelected.

It's not stupid to guess. The evidence just says it is not likely, given that current trends continue. The people that this hurts the most (given trends continue to the fall and next fall) are freshmen Congressmen, Corzine, and maybe even Deeds.

*facepalm*

Instead of being insulting, why don't you just point out what you don't like and why.

There had been many things that you have said that I did not like. Don't expect everyone to agree with you on everything.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 21, 2009, 11:32:41 PM
Nevada (Mason-Dixon):

47% Excellent/Good (25% Excellent, 22% Good)
50% Fair/Poor (25% Fair, 25% Poor)

49% Favorable
32% Unfavorable
19% Neutral

This poll was conducted by Mason-Dixon Polling & Research, Inc. of Washington, D.C., from June 18 through June 19, 2009. A total of 625 registered Nevada voters were interviewed statewide by telephone. All stated they vote regularly in state elections.

http://www.lvrj.com/hottopics/politics/polls/june_2009_polls.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 22, 2009, 02:28:24 AM
Response to late polls:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on June 22, 2009, 10:05:52 AM
Nevada (Mason-Dixon):

47% Excellent/Good (25% Excellent, 22% Good)
50% Fair/Poor (25% Fair, 25% Poor)

49% Favorable
32% Unfavorable
19% Neutral

This poll was conducted by Mason-Dixon Polling & Research, Inc. of Washington, D.C., from June 18 through June 19, 2009. A total of 625 registered Nevada voters were interviewed statewide by telephone. All stated they vote regularly in state elections.

http://www.lvrj.com/hottopics/politics/polls/june_2009_polls.html

It looks like the Mountain West states are now 50\50 on Obama, after voting for him decisively in the election. I saw a poll from New Mexico where his numbers were barely 50\50. Colorado approves of him, but not very strongly.

Can anyone explain this? My guess is that the libertarians in these states may have supported Obama on election day, but they don't support him anymore.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 22, 2009, 10:10:02 AM
Nevada (Mason-Dixon):

47% Excellent/Good (25% Excellent, 22% Good)
50% Fair/Poor (25% Fair, 25% Poor)

49% Favorable
32% Unfavorable
19% Neutral

This poll was conducted by Mason-Dixon Polling & Research, Inc. of Washington, D.C., from June 18 through June 19, 2009. A total of 625 registered Nevada voters were interviewed statewide by telephone. All stated they vote regularly in state elections.

http://www.lvrj.com/hottopics/politics/polls/june_2009_polls.html

It looks like the Mountain West states are now 50\50 on Obama, after voting for him decisively in the election. I saw a poll from New Mexico where his numbers were barely 50\50. Colorado approves of him, but not very strongly.

Can anyone explain this? My guess is that the libertarians in these states may have supported Obama on election day, but they don't support him anymore.
I think that when a lot of people voted for Obama, they were giving him a chance. They didn't agree with his views as much as they did McCain, but they wanted to see what he could do. He hasn't done a lot, and our economy is still failing, so of course they are going to go against him. Far left people are annoyed that Obama is governing to the center, and centrists think Obama is governing to the left. If this continues, I think he'll face a serious primary challenge in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on June 22, 2009, 10:37:00 AM
Or, they didn't see much of a difference between Obama and McCain on some key issues. Even Obama has said he'd support taxing health benefits. That was the same thing he blasted McCain for during the campaign. Anyway, any libertarian minded person would naturally be appalled at the spending that Obama has done in the past 5 months.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 22, 2009, 10:44:47 AM
My own little map, of what I expect the map would look like if the election was tomorrow.

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Prediction: By the end of 2009, Obama will have negative approval ratings in Montana, New Mexico, Colorado, Arizona, and Nevada, the Mountain West swing states.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 22, 2009, 12:48:39 PM
Nevada (Mason-Dixon):

47% Excellent/Good (25% Excellent, 22% Good)
50% Fair/Poor (25% Fair, 25% Poor)

49% Favorable
32% Unfavorable
19% Neutral

This poll was conducted by Mason-Dixon Polling & Research, Inc. of Washington, D.C., from June 18 through June 19, 2009. A total of 625 registered Nevada voters were interviewed statewide by telephone. All stated they vote regularly in state elections.

http://www.lvrj.com/hottopics/politics/polls/june_2009_polls.html

It looks like the Mountain West states are now 50\50 on Obama, after voting for him decisively in the election. I saw a poll from New Mexico where his numbers were barely 50\50. Colorado approves of him, but not very strongly.

Can anyone explain this? My guess is that the libertarians in these states may have supported Obama on election day, but they don't support him anymore.
I think that when a lot of people voted for Obama, they were giving him a chance. They didn't agree with his views as much as they did McCain, but they wanted to see what he could do. He hasn't done a lot, and our economy is still failing, so of course they are going to go against him. Far left people are annoyed that Obama is governing to the center, and centrists think Obama is governing to the left. If this continues, I think he'll face a serious primary challenge in 2012.

It's also Mason-Dixon. They blew Nevada by almost 10% last year.

Also, the "excellent/good/fair/poor" questioning is something different to "Approve/Disapprove" ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on June 22, 2009, 01:07:24 PM
Nevada (Mason-Dixon):

47% Excellent/Good (25% Excellent, 22% Good)
50% Fair/Poor (25% Fair, 25% Poor)

49% Favorable
32% Unfavorable
19% Neutral

This poll was conducted by Mason-Dixon Polling & Research, Inc. of Washington, D.C., from June 18 through June 19, 2009. A total of 625 registered Nevada voters were interviewed statewide by telephone. All stated they vote regularly in state elections.

http://www.lvrj.com/hottopics/politics/polls/june_2009_polls.html

It looks like the Mountain West states are now 50\50 on Obama, after voting for him decisively in the election. I saw a poll from New Mexico where his numbers were barely 50\50. Colorado approves of him, but not very strongly.

Can anyone explain this? My guess is that the libertarians in these states may have supported Obama on election day, but they don't support him anymore.
I think that when a lot of people voted for Obama, they were giving him a chance. They didn't agree with his views as much as they did McCain, but they wanted to see what he could do. He hasn't done a lot, and our economy is still failing, so of course they are going to go against him. Far left people are annoyed that Obama is governing to the center, and centrists think Obama is governing to the left. If this continues, I think he'll face a serious primary challenge in 2012.

It's also Mason-Dixon. They blew Nevada by almost 10% last year.

Also, the "excellent/good/fair/poor" questioning is something different to "Approve/Disapprove" ...

Yeah, I think people sometimes come to a term like "fair" with different interpretations of what it means in their head.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on June 22, 2009, 02:08:20 PM
Nevada (Mason-Dixon):

47% Excellent/Good (25% Excellent, 22% Good)
50% Fair/Poor (25% Fair, 25% Poor)

49% Favorable
32% Unfavorable
19% Neutral

This poll was conducted by Mason-Dixon Polling & Research, Inc. of Washington, D.C., from June 18 through June 19, 2009. A total of 625 registered Nevada voters were interviewed statewide by telephone. All stated they vote regularly in state elections.

http://www.lvrj.com/hottopics/politics/polls/june_2009_polls.html

It looks like the Mountain West states are now 50\50 on Obama, after voting for him decisively in the election. I saw a poll from New Mexico where his numbers were barely 50\50. Colorado approves of him, but not very strongly.

Can anyone explain this? My guess is that the libertarians in these states may have supported Obama on election day, but they don't support him anymore.

State's rights and the budget deficit are big issues out here (relatively speaking). Obama appeared to be a moderate who would cut wasteful spending, be pragmatic and work with Republicans. The stimulus, which many people out here opposed, didn't help either. And, at least in Colorado's case, there are many independents, and Obama's approvals have been slowly declining with them.

I would be interested to see Obama's approvals amongst Latinos, because they are a crucial demographic out west (and in Florida of course).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on June 22, 2009, 02:55:45 PM
Nevada (Mason-Dixon):

47% Excellent/Good (25% Excellent, 22% Good)
50% Fair/Poor (25% Fair, 25% Poor)

49% Favorable
32% Unfavorable
19% Neutral

This poll was conducted by Mason-Dixon Polling & Research, Inc. of Washington, D.C., from June 18 through June 19, 2009. A total of 625 registered Nevada voters were interviewed statewide by telephone. All stated they vote regularly in state elections.

http://www.lvrj.com/hottopics/politics/polls/june_2009_polls.html

It looks like the Mountain West states are now 50\50 on Obama, after voting for him decisively in the election. I saw a poll from New Mexico where his numbers were barely 50\50. Colorado approves of him, but not very strongly.

Can anyone explain this? My guess is that the libertarians in these states may have supported Obama on election day, but they don't support him anymore.
I think that when a lot of people voted for Obama, they were giving him a chance. They didn't agree with his views as much as they did McCain, but they wanted to see what he could do.

Surely, those who agreed more with McCain would have voted for him

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He hasn't done a lot, and our economy is still failing, so of course they are going to go against him.

Yes, the recession ain't over yet. It's, obviously, a pretty severe one. This president hasn't had the fortune of coming to office with a reasonably good economy and a federal government living well within its means. Yes, there was the bursting of the dot-com bubble but that was nothing compared to this. I don't recall the UK and Europe in recession as a result

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Far left people are annoyed that Obama is governing to the center, and centrists think Obama is governing to the left. If this continues, I think he'll face a serious primary challenge in 2012.

The president is what he is, a pragmatic center-leftist, and generally-speaking, I'd say that is where he is governing from

Still, as far as the economy goes, as long as it remains in down-turn with unemployment rising then this president's approvals are sure to take a hit just as they did with Reagan. In January 1983, he was sitting at 35% approval in Gallup but it wasn't, as we all know, to stay that way

Rome wasn't rebuilt in six months! My advice to the president is to knuckle-down, get on with the job, fight the good fight and do what has to be done

It took me until August 2004 to come out swinging against George W Bush - for ideologically-driven ineptitude. And believe me if Obama, ultimately, proves to be an improvement on that it would most certainly be "change" I can believe in

Oh, and in the context of this Nevada poll, "fair" isn't in itself isn't necessarily a negative assessment. It could, to a degree, imply "lukewarm" to "cool" approval - and Mason-Dixon, where a bit wide of the mark, when it came to how that stated voted in November.

Of course, the libertarian Mountain West could be irked by a rising deficit and all of the spending (or rather investment in this president's case given the nature of the Economic Recovery and Reinvestment Act) - but it didn't prevent the region from re-electing Bush in 2004 did it?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 22, 2009, 03:30:26 PM
ARG

Approve 57%(-4)
Disapprove 41%(+9)

http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 22, 2009, 03:32:30 PM
Harris Poll

Approve 54%
Disapprove 46%

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/pubs/Harris_Poll_2009_06_22.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 22, 2009, 03:36:22 PM
Harris Poll

Approve 54%
Disapprove 46%

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/pubs/Harris_Poll_2009_06_22.pdf

Interactive polls -- no controls -- no value.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 22, 2009, 03:39:26 PM
...
His ratings are in a freefall. I'm surprised, as my opinion of him has slightly improved over the past few weeks.
Will Obama's approval rating be lower than his disapproval rating by the end of the year, by RCP averages? I was sceptical, but I think there is a chance, unless the economy quickly recovers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 22, 2009, 05:32:36 PM

There hasn't really been an economic recovery yet, but I'd guess that there's a VERY strong chance that the economy will rebound in the next few years before 2012, enough to boost Obama's approval ratings no matter what they are (could be 20% or 80%).

Who the hell cares about 2012?  Democrats need to be worried about 2010 right now. 

No, it'll be a landslide victory in '10. I know because I read it on this forum.

::)

How many times must it be explained to you people that Democrats will likely lose a handful of seats in the House but due to structural advantages, will likely pick up at least a couple Senate seats?

Honestly, I get tired of this BS disingenuous attitude. I haven't heard any remotely serious individual claim 2010 will be another blowout year. Get a clue.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 22, 2009, 05:35:49 PM
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His ratings are in a freefall. I'm surprised, as my opinion of him has slightly improved over the past few weeks.

It's pretty simple, actually. He's playing the age-old Democratic game of trying to act Conservative on everything he can and being a wimp about approaching things, and generally acting as if he didn't get one of the largest and most unique victories in recent decades. The left is growing to hate him because he's a spineless liar who wants to pretend to be as Republican as possible, and the Republicans hate him because he's a Democrat.

Hence, he governs from the center, and pleases almost no-one.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 22, 2009, 05:38:56 PM
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His ratings are in a freefall. I'm surprised, as my opinion of him has slightly improved over the past few weeks.

It's pretty simple, actually. He's playing the age-old Democratic game of trying to act Conservative on everything he can and being a wimp about approaching things, and generally acting as if he didn't get one of the largest and most unique victories in recent decades. The left is growing to hate him because he's a spineless liar who wants to pretend to be as Republican as possible, and the Republicans hate him because he's a Democrat.

Hence, he governs from the center, and pleases almost no-one.

Ouch.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on June 22, 2009, 05:42:09 PM
...
His ratings are in a freefall. I'm surprised, as my opinion of him has slightly improved over the past few weeks.

It's pretty simple, actually. He's playing the age-old Democratic game of trying to act Conservative on everything he can and being a wimp about approaching things, and generally acting as if he didn't get one of the largest and most unique victories in recent decades. The left is growing to hate him because he's a spineless liar who wants to pretend to be as Republican as possible, and the Republicans hate him because he's a Democrat.

Hence, he governs from the center, and pleases almost no-one.

Ouch.

As of now, he wouldn't get my vote a second time. ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on June 22, 2009, 06:23:40 PM
National ABC/WP:

http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/story?id=7898197&page=1

Overall: Approve 65% (-4); Disapprove 31% (+5) [Democrats 88% approve; Independents 65% approve; Republicans 26% approve]

International affairs: Approve 61% (-6); Disapprove 32% (+5)
Threat of terrorism: Approve 57% (-); Disapprove 36% (+10) [leads Republicans, 55-34 on trust]
Economy: Approve 56% (-2); Disapprove 41% (+3) [leads Republicans, 55-31 on trust]
Global warming: Approve 54% (-7); Disapprove 28% (+5)
Health care: Approve 53% (-4); Disapprove 39% (+10) [leads Republicans, 55-27 on trust]
Iran: Approve 52% (-2); Disapprove 36% (+1)
Deficit: Approve 48% (-3%); Disapprove 48% (+5) [leads Republicans, 56-30 on trust]
Automakers: Approve 45% (+4); Disapprove 50% (-3)

58% say, beneath it all, Obama is a new-style Democrat who will be careful with the public's money; 36% says he's an old-style, tax-and-spend Democrat

Democratic Party: 56% favorable; 40% unfavorable
Republican Party: 36% favorable; 56% unfavorable

This poll was conducted by telephone June 18-21, 2009, among a random sample of 1,001 adults including landline and cell-phone only users


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on June 22, 2009, 06:33:48 PM
...
His ratings are in a freefall. I'm surprised, as my opinion of him has slightly improved over the past few weeks.
Will Obama's approval rating be lower than his disapproval rating by the end of the year, by RCP averages? I was sceptical, but I think there is a chance, unless the economy quickly recovers.

Uh, this isn't what you would call a free fall, more like slow degradation.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 22, 2009, 06:34:45 PM
You can always count on the media polls. It's getting pretty disgraceful.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on June 22, 2009, 07:08:56 PM
...
His ratings are in a freefall. I'm surprised, as my opinion of him has slightly improved over the past few weeks.
Will Obama's approval rating be lower than his disapproval rating by the end of the year, by RCP averages? I was sceptical, but I think there is a chance, unless the economy quickly recovers.

Uh, this isn't what you would call a free fall, more like slow degradation.

The president's approvals, all things considered, are just coming down to Earth. He's had his six months of goodwill and that's about it!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on June 23, 2009, 07:30:14 PM
Today's Gallup has Obama at 60-33. It was 57-35 yesterday.

Why does Gallup have these large random swings? This definitely isn't the first time.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on June 23, 2009, 07:31:33 PM
Today's Gallup has Obama at 60-33. It was 57-35 yesterday.

Why does Gallup have these large random swings? This definitely isn't the first time.



On the moving average, a bad day 3 days ago is replaced by a good day today I guess.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on June 23, 2009, 11:39:22 PM
I didn't vote for Obama, and will never vote for him.  Romney better make it past primaries!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rob on June 23, 2009, 11:54:34 PM
I didn't vote for Obama, and will never vote for him.  Romney better make it past primaries!

I voted twice for Obama, and will vote for him again. Romney better make it past primaries! :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on June 23, 2009, 11:56:27 PM
I didn't vote for Obama, and will never vote for him.  Romney better make it past primaries!

I voted twice for Obama, and will vote for him again. Romney better make it past primaries! :)
uhhh, ok...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 24, 2009, 12:10:35 AM
Idaho (Greg Smith & Associates):

45% Favorable
47% Unfavorable

400 adult Idahoans, March 15-18

http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/boise/2009/jun/23/smith-poll-idahoans-unexcited-about-obama/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 24, 2009, 01:04:55 AM
Better than I could have thought for Obama in Idaho -- one more state shows where it stands:

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Very good for a state that gave John McCain almost a 30% margin.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on June 24, 2009, 08:05:39 AM
Look at all that yellow, it looks beautiful! LOL


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on June 24, 2009, 08:08:27 AM
wtf Nevada?

The rest are failed states, but Nevada?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on June 24, 2009, 08:11:10 AM
wtf Nevada?

The rest are failed states, but Nevada?

People are coming around.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 24, 2009, 12:02:39 PM
Look at all that yellow, it looks beautiful! LOL

How to really show some yellow:

1. Show honest proportions for Alaska.

2. Poll Alaska.

3. Poll some more Southern states again (and Mississippi for the first time).

Of course, Alaska has fewer electoral votes than Massachusetts, so showing Alaska with the right proportion of area would be a big distortion of political reality.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on June 24, 2009, 12:08:47 PM
Idaho (Greg Smith & Associates):

45% Favorable
47% Unfavorable

400 adult Idahoans, March 15-18

http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/boise/2009/jun/23/smith-poll-idahoans-unexcited-about-obama/

Wow, that is quite good for Idaho. I wonder where he was at there when he was really popular...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 24, 2009, 12:11:56 PM
wtf Nevada?

The rest are failed states, but Nevada?

Obama suddenly lurched wildly for Obama in October due to the real estate meltdown and subprime lending mess. It could also be that a lot of Obama's paid campaign staffers from California changed their legal residence so that they could vote in Nevada in 2008. Perfectly legal, and many of them could have moved back to California. Add to that, I would not be surprised if many who lost their houses (a heavily Democratic population)  in Las Vegas moved elsewhere.

... In any event, the poll of Nevada has a "fair" category, so try to figure what that means.

Of course the poll for Idaho is a surprise. Nobody expected Idaho to ever give anywhere near a 50/50 divide of approval and disapproval. The state won't vote for Obama except in a landslide reminiscent of LBJ in 1964 or Reagan in 1984. But that Idaho could be close at this point suggests big trouble for the GOP.



 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on June 24, 2009, 12:19:51 PM
Of course the poll for Idaho is a surprise. Nobody expected Idaho to ever give anywhere near a 50/50 divide of approval and disapproval. The state won't vote for Obama except in a landslide reminiscent of LBJ in 1964 or Reagan in 1984. But that Idaho could be close at this point suggests big trouble for the GOP.

You're suggesting that Idaho could be close?

lol


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Aizen on June 24, 2009, 12:43:56 PM
Obama *probably* takes Idaho come 2012. If you disagree, you have no grasp on reality.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 24, 2009, 01:10:14 PM
Ohio (PPP):

51% Approve
40% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 619 Ohio voters from June 17th to 19th. The survey’s margin of error is +/- 3.9%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_Ohio_624.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 24, 2009, 01:11:39 PM
New Jersey (Strategic Vision):

56% Approve
38% Disapprove

The results of a three-day poll in the state of New Jersey. Results are based on telephone interviews with 800 likely voters in New Jersey, aged 18+, and conducted June 19-21, 2009 by telephone. The margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.

http://www.strategicvision.biz/political/newjersey_poll_062409.htm


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 24, 2009, 01:16:09 PM
New York (Quinnipiac):

67% Approve
26% Disapprove

From June 16 - 21, Quinnipiac University surveyed 2,477 New York State registered voters, with a margin of error of +/- 2 percentage points. The survey includes 1,048 Democrats with a margin of error of +/- 3 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1341


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 24, 2009, 01:27:07 PM
Texas (Texas Lyceum):

68% Approve
29% Disapprove

We interviewed Texas adults during the June 5-12 period, talking to 860 adults, 51% female, and 49% male. Three out of four said they are registered voters.

About a third of the respondents (32%) are identified as Hispanic, 11% as African American, and 54% as White.

More respondents (46%) identified themselves as Independents than as Republicans (25%) or Democrats (28%). More of those who don't identify with a party said they lean Republican (29%) than lean Democrat (22%).

Asked about their political outlook, more consider themselves Conservative (46%) than as Moderate (35%) or Liberal (19%).

http://www.texaslyceum.org/media/staticContent/PubCon_Journals/2009/TexasLyceum2009Poll_ExecutiveSummary_2010RacesAndApprovalRatings.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on June 24, 2009, 01:29:51 PM
Texas (Texas Lyceum):

68% Approve
29% Disapprove


How the hell is that possible? :o


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 24, 2009, 01:30:28 PM
Texas (Texas Lyceum):

68% Approve
29% Disapprove


How the hell is that possible? :o

They only polled hippies ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on June 24, 2009, 01:31:15 PM
Texas (Texas Lyceum):

68% Approve
29% Disapprove

We interviewed Texas adults during the June 5-12 period, talking to 860 adults, 51% female, and 49% male. Three out of four said they are registered voters.

About a third of the respondents (32%) are identified as Hispanic, 11% as African American, and 54% as White.

More respondents (46%) identified themselves as Independents than as Republicans (25%) or Democrats (28%). More of those who don't identify with a party said they lean Republican (29%) than lean Democrat (22%).

Asked about their political outlook, more consider themselves Conservative (46%) than as Moderate (35%) or Liberal (19%).

http://www.texaslyceum.org/media/staticContent/PubCon_Journals/2009/TexasLyceum2009Poll_ExecutiveSummary_2010RacesAndApprovalRatings.pdf

LOL, thats an outlier. The only way Texas gives Obama a 68% approval rating is if Obama is at 75-80% approval nationwide.

The NJ, NY, and OH polls look about right.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 24, 2009, 01:39:10 PM
North Carolina (InsiderAdvantage):

50% "favorable opinion of his job performance"
37% "unfavorable opinion of his job performance"

The InsiderAdvantage poll of 894 registered voters in North Carolina, weighted for age, race, gender, and political affiliation, was conducted Monday night, June 22 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3%.

http://www.southernpoliticalreport.com/storylink_624_916.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on June 24, 2009, 01:43:10 PM

What are you talking about? Obama is obviously just as popular in Texas as he is in New York!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 24, 2009, 02:47:32 PM
For the Nevada poll, remember that Mason-Dixon had very Republican numbers in 2008, especially in Nevada, where their last poll was something like 9 points off and they had polls with McCain ahead by high single digits earlier in the summer.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on June 24, 2009, 03:25:50 PM
The Texas poll is obviously an outlier.
But then again so are probably the Nevada and Arizona ones.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on June 24, 2009, 03:31:12 PM
Obama *probably* takes Idaho come 2012. If you disagree, you have no grasp on reality.


Haha, what a hack. Obama obviously takes Idaho.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 24, 2009, 05:20:19 PM
Florida(Rasmussen)

Approve 46%
Disapprove 50%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/florida/toplines_election_2010_florida_senate_june_22_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 24, 2009, 05:33:03 PM
Of course the poll for Idaho is a surprise. Nobody expected Idaho to ever give anywhere near a 50/50 divide of approval and disapproval. The state won't vote for Obama except in a landslide reminiscent of LBJ in 1964 or Reagan in 1984. But that Idaho could be close at this point suggests big trouble for the GOP.

You're suggesting that Idaho could be close?

lol

Disapproval is larger than approval. But it's consistent with a poll in Utah a few months back. Obama just might not lose Idaho by a large double-digit margin in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 24, 2009, 05:38:56 PM


New polls, some weird.

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Go figure. Who is the Texas Lyceum? How could anyone poll a 68% approval rating for Obama in Texas when he slips below 50% in Florida?   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on June 24, 2009, 05:39:43 PM
Florida is in bad shape right now. Apparently Crist hugging Obama hasn't helped either here.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on June 24, 2009, 09:11:16 PM


New polls, some weird.

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Go figure. Who is the Texas Lyceum? How could anyone poll a 68% approval rating for Obama in Texas when he slips below 50% in Florida?   


According to Obama's approval ratings map, this is the 2012 election map I came up with an average Republican opponent.  It's only speculation.

The closer to dark green, Obama wins that state.  Light green and yellow, Republicans win that.
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on June 24, 2009, 11:33:03 PM
Florida(Rasmussen)

Approve 46%
Disapprove 50%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/florida/toplines_election_2010_florida_senate_june_22_2009

No


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 25, 2009, 12:15:58 AM
Florida(Rasmussen)

Approve 46%
Disapprove 50%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/florida/toplines_election_2010_florida_senate_june_22_2009

No

Indeed.

Obama does 9% worse compared with the US (55%), but got only 2% less in the election ?

Unlikely ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on June 25, 2009, 10:06:52 AM
Not at all. All that needs to happen is that he goes up elsewhere, or remains relatively stable elsewhere.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: minionofmidas on June 25, 2009, 12:16:10 PM

What are you talking about? Obama is obviously just as popular in Texas as he is in New York!
The people they polled claim to have voted for McCain by five points and John Cornyn by two. IIRC that's not quite how the elections turned out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 25, 2009, 01:13:49 PM
Good news on the national front today:

Rasmussen:

56% Approve (+1)
44% Disapprove (nc)

Gallup:

61% Approve (+1)
32% Disapprove (-2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Edu on June 25, 2009, 01:19:22 PM
THE SANFORD BUMP!!!11!!!!1!!



:P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 25, 2009, 01:20:51 PM
Pennsylvania (F&M):

55% Excellent/Good
44% Fair/Poor

56% Favorable
27% Unfavorable

The survey findings presented in this release are based on the results of interviews conducted June 16-21, 2009. The data included in this release represent the responses of 580 adult residents of Pennsylvania. The sample error for this survey is +/- 4.1 percent.

http://edisk.fandm.edu/FLI/keystone/pdf/June%202009%20Franklin%20and%20Marshall%20College%20Poll%20Release.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on June 25, 2009, 04:08:49 PM
Pennsylvania (F&M):

55% Excellent/Good
44% Fair/Poor

56% Favorable
27% Unfavorable

The survey findings presented in this release are based on the results of interviews conducted June 16-21, 2009. The data included in this release represent the responses of 580 adult residents of Pennsylvania. The sample error for this survey is +/- 4.1 percent.

http://edisk.fandm.edu/FLI/keystone/pdf/June%202009%20Franklin%20and%20Marshall%20College%20Poll%20Release.pdf

Pretty good approval ratings, considering that they included the "fair" option. I hate when they do that, it doesn't give us a clear picture. Ask if they approve or disapprove, much simpler in my opinion.

It looks like Obama's approval ratings in the Rust Belt are holding up well.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 25, 2009, 08:01:11 PM
I modified the Nevada poll to give preference to a "favorable/unfavorable" rating.

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Current projection, and oh can it change!

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 25, 2009, 11:59:27 PM
Oregon (R2000/DailyKos):

62% Favorable
31% Unfavorable

The Research 2000 Oregon Poll was conducted from June 22 through June 24, 2009. A total of 600 likely voters who vote regularly in state elections were interviewed statewide by telephone.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/6/24/OR/312


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on June 26, 2009, 12:06:33 AM
THE SANFORD BUMP!!!11!!!!1!!



:P

lol


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on June 26, 2009, 12:46:17 AM

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Current projection, and oh can it change!

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Why is Montana pink along with the Dakota's?  Montana hasn't been polled yet neither has ND.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 26, 2009, 12:54:18 AM
South Dakota has been polled, and North Dakota and Montana ordinarily move with it. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on June 28, 2009, 12:37:05 PM
Democracy Corps:

56% approve, 36% disapprove

Dems: 89\6
Reps: 17\74
Inds: 50\39

http://www.democracycorps.com/strategy/2009/06/creating-a-sustainable-majority-for-health-care-reform/

Also, CNN releases a poll they did a MONTH ago.

66% approve, 29% disapprove
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/25/obama.poll/index.html

Strategic Vision New Jersey: 56% approve, 38% disapprove
http://strategicvision.biz/political/newjersey_poll_062409.htm

ARG: 57% approve, 41% disapprove
http://americanresearchgroup.com/economy/

This poll shows Obama approval among independents as 47\48.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 28, 2009, 01:29:26 PM
FWIW, Gallup is back down to 57/35, tying the worst of his presidency.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on June 28, 2009, 03:44:30 PM
FWIW, Gallup is back down to 57/35, tying the worst of his presidency.

Romney is obviously going to win in a landslide then I guess. :/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on June 28, 2009, 07:47:01 PM
FWIW, Gallup is back down to 57/35, tying the worst of his presidency.

Romney is obviously going to win in a landslide then I guess. :/

I guess facts scare you, so you have to make extreme claims to make fun of people reporting them...

It's not like he made a stupid map with his information, claiming a landslide for Obama or anyone else.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: East Coast Republican on June 29, 2009, 08:14:52 AM
I've been lurking and this has been annoying me for a while so I'm just going to come out with it.

Pbrower2a: You are the biggest hack on this entire website.  Utah going blue?  475 EV Obama landslide based on approval ratings instead of head to head polls?  Even if head to heads were used it's so far out from 2012.  You then try to use arguments 'well NOBODY KNEW INDIANA WOULD GO BLUE AND IT DID SEE!?'

Dude just post the approvals and cut the weak biased analyses.  You want to analyze politics in this nation?  Do it from an independent point of view-that means stop saying stupid stuff about Utah and how Obama's got it all locked up for 2012 (this is still 2009, right?).  Yeah, the President looks good for 2012 but...Texas?  UTAH?!  Give it a rest man.

To the UK guy with the sarcastic comment: It's a fact that he's tied with the worst rating of his Presidency although it's still a very good rating.  Get off TrueRepublic's back.

On a final note, isn't it funny that my username has Republican in it but I have yet to go on any huge rants against Obama or devote multiple maps to my insane red state theories?  Hmmm.  I do notice this section of the forum attracts diehard Obama supporters who disguise their fascinations as pure analyses.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: East Coast Republican on June 29, 2009, 08:38:39 AM
6/29/09 from Rasmussen Reports.

55% approval
44% disapproval

You can rejoice pbrower2a for the President's approval rating on Rasmussen Reports has gone up 1%.  It looks like my previous post will be proven wrong.  You can now use this against me.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 29, 2009, 10:19:55 AM


Pbrower2a: You are the biggest hack on this entire website.  Utah going blue?  475 EV Obama landslide based on approval ratings?  You then try to use arguments 'well NOBODY KNEW INDIANA WOULD GO BLUE AND IT DID SEE!?'

Dude just post the approvals and cut the weak biased analyses.  You want to analyze politics in this nation?  Do it from an independent point of view-that means stop saying stupid stuff about Utah and how Obama's got it all locked up for 2012 (this is still 2009, right?).  Yeah, the President looks good for 2012 but...Texas?  UTAH?!  Give it a rest man.

On a final note, isn't it funny that my username has Republican in it but I have yet to go on any huge rants against Obama or devote multiple maps to my insane red state theories?  Hmmm.  I do notice this section of the forum attracts diehard Obama supporters who disguise their fascinations as pure analyses.

1. Hack? Hardly. I state my assumptions. I recognize that all polls have flaws. Much can change between now and November 2012. The election will be a test of how well Obama performs as President. If he proves incompetent, corrupt, or irrelevant he will be defeated in 2012.

2. I expect extreme partisans of the Right to dislike him. Some people will never vote for any any Democratic nominee; some will never vote for any Republican nominee. Moderates decide who wins and who doesn't. We have three distinct populations of voters in America: left-leaning Democrats, right-leaning Republicans, and the moderates who hold the balance of power in Presidential politics.

3. I recognize any possibility of Obama winning Utah or Texas as a fringe possibility. The LDS Church creates a social and political ethos -- oddly, a theocratic welfare state that makes a large federal role in government activity irrelevant. Utah is going to vote for the Republican nominee except under one circumstance: that the GOP nominee shows disrespect for the LDS Church. Mormons in Utah don't need the Democratic Party except as a protest vote against some Republicans that members perceive as nutty (Goldwater 1964) or someone who offends Mormon sensibilities.  Huckabee has said some very nasty things about Mormonism, but he has plenty of time in which to make amends. It's up to him to make those amends.

Of course Mitt Romney wins Utah by a huge margin against Obama under any circumstances, even if Obama has a 60+% approval rating in Utah in 2012. I have Utah shown as "weak generic GOP" because of an old poll that suggested that Obama had a slight positive rating a couple months ago.
 
Big Oil and farm-and-ranch interests have unusual influence in Texas politics that push it toward the conservative side of the political spectrum despite demographics that make it more like California than like Alabama even if it has recently voted more like Alabama than like California. The State is hard to place in any region or even to describe as a region in its own right.   No state is a good analogue for Texas statewide politics. I have the model of "Kansas grafted onto Florida" because parts of Texas are much like Kansas in politics and parts are more like Florida.  

Texas goes to Obama only in a landslide. Obama would have to pick up everything that he won in 2008 and at the least flip Missouri, Georgia, and Arizona to get a chance to win Texas. Such are 70 electoral votes in those four states alone; 365+70 = 435, which is close to an Eisenhower-scale victory. That's without winning over Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, and Kentucky, which together are about as big as Texas in electoral votes and generally move together.  I have suggested that Texas goes for Obama only if Florida goes for him by at least 8%. Texas is absolutely not a lock for the GOP.

My current projection of Texas as a toss-up is based on a poll that looks like an outlier.  The same role that keeps me from projecting Arizona as a tossup (most recent poll) forces me to consider Texas at least a toss-up.

4. I did see Indiana as a possible pickup for the Democrats as soon as Obama was the Democratic nominee. Obama got lots of free media access in Indiana because about a third of the state is in or feeds into an Illinois TV market (northwest Indiana, Terre Haute, Evansville); fully a half are in the Chicago newspaper and radio markets (South Bend - Elkhart, maybe Indianapolis). Obama got much attention in Indiana, all positive. The Indiana economy  that seemed to be rural enough to weather economic vicissitudes that neighboring Michigan, Illinois, and Ohio feel hard was getting hit hard. Democratic nominees don't ordinarily campaign much in Indiana -- and Obama did. Despite the rural image of Indiana it is more urban than it looks; its population is heavily concentrated in a few medium-to-large cities, and Obama had a campaign style well suited to urban campaigning.

5. Political culture matters greatly. I see a bunch of states that Mike Huckabee wins because those states are perfect fits for successful politicians from Arkansas. States that voted for Bill Clinton but against Obama by huge margins will vote for Mike Huckabee. Romney probably loses them because he is the d@mnyankee politician that they don't know. Forget race as an explanation; Tennessee came close to voting for Harold Ford in 2006.

6. Beyond any question, the GOP has shown no sign of cutting into the Blue Firewall of states that haven't voted for any GOP nominee since 1992. Such states accounted for 248 electoral votes in 2008 and probably 240 in 2012. Add Iowa, New Hampshire, and New Mexico that have voted only once for a GOP nominee and one has about 260 electoral votes, leaving little room for any GOP victory in 2012. All of those states voted for Obama by large margins (9%+)... which means that the GOP has to win just about everything else to win in 2012.  The deep red colors on my map largely show that.

The GOP has been losing New England, the West Coast, and much of the Midwest badly. It's in part the rural/urban divide; it's also that the Religious Right never got a strong hold in those regions. It's not enough for a Republican hack to say that "these regions will come to their senses and turn against tax-and-spend Democrats". The GOP has failed to hold onto middle-class suburbanites who used to show more concern about taxes than about public services. Suburbia now has big-city problems, and much of the middle class is government employees (teachers, cops, firefighters). Big Business used to succeed at telling employees that their prosperity depended upon the prosperity of the companies that they worked for, but in the last two decades and especially this decade employees of Big Business know that their continued employment depends more upon the caprice of some executive who might get a fat bonus for a mass firing of staff.

7. Nobody knows how much campaigning Obama will do. Nobody knows who his opponent will be. Both will matter in the electoral count.

8. The difference between Obama winning 270 electoral votes in 2012 and 450 electoral votes is ultimately a quibble. He will be no more the 44th President of the United States in a second term whether he picks up the "Blue Firewall + Virginia" or makes electoral inroads into a bunch of states that he lost by huge margins in 2008. In view of the conduct of the last three Presidents to win re-election by landslides (Reagan, Nixon, LBJ), I'm not sure that an Obama landslide that bloats his ego would be good for America. Eisenhower kept his head on straight, but Obama is not an Eisenhower-like leader.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Aizen on June 29, 2009, 01:00:11 PM
jesus christ. who the hell is going to read that?



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 29, 2009, 01:35:40 PM
jesus christ. who the hell is going to read that?


I actually did. I think he makes excellent points, and I agree with just about everything he said. In a close election, Obama is guarenteed about 250 EV's, while a Republican is guarenteed about 150. I honestly believe the only way Obama will lose is in a landslide. If it's close, he'll probably win.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on June 29, 2009, 01:50:12 PM
But he continues to make the same assumption that states that give Obama a net approval will ultimately vote for him. Candidates have lost states even if the state approves of their job. The most recent example was Lincoln Chaffee in Rhode Island, who lost reelection despite having something like a 66% approval rating.

Just because Utah gives Obama a net positive approval rating does in no way mean he will win the state, or make it close.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on June 29, 2009, 05:56:57 PM
But he continues to make the same assumption that states that give Obama a net approval will ultimately vote for him. Candidates have lost states even if the state approves of their job. The most recent example was Lincoln Chaffee in Rhode Island, who lost reelection despite having something like a 66% approval rating.

Just because Utah gives Obama a net positive approval rating does in no way mean he will win the state, or make it close.

QFT


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 29, 2009, 06:09:29 PM
But he continues to make the same assumption that states that give Obama a net approval will ultimately vote for him. Candidates have lost states even if the state approves of their job. The most recent example was Lincoln Chaffee in Rhode Island, who lost reelection despite having something like a 66% approval rating.

Just because Utah gives Obama a net positive approval rating does in no way mean he will win the state, or make it close.

I concur on Lincoln Chaffee. His defeat in the 2006 Senatorial election was a freakish event.  He lost his Senate seat because of an odd circumstance: the extreme unpopularity of his political party in Rhode Island in 2006. In 2012 Obama might get positive approval ratings in a bunch of states that voted strongly against him in 2008, and the Bradley effect may strike even without any obvious signs. Should 2012 polls suggest that Obama might have a 55% approval rating in such a state as Louisiana and the Republican nominee be Sarah Palin, then I expect Obama to lose Louisiana. The Bradley effect is more likely to operate in Louisiana than in Michigan.

It is possible that Obama could have an approval rating of 60% in Utah in 2012 and lose the state by a wide margin should Mitt Romney be the GOP nominee. Likewise it is imaginable that Obama could have a similar approval rating in Arkansas and lose the state to Mike Huckabee. Should the GOP nominee offer a convincing repudiation of his anti-Mormon statements, he wins Utah.  

Don't you accept that it would be a good thing that if some political candidates takes swipes at the people of a State because of their ethnicity or religion that he should lose that state? If a Democratic nominee were to change the "N" to a "J" for the largest city in the United States and its own state that he should  lose a bunch of states in which such is generally considered objectionable? I need not be a Jew to find Jew-baiting intolerable. Utah is more Mormon than New York is Jewish (New York City is more Catholic than Jewish, by the way).

But note well; there are a lot of states that Obama doesn't have to win to get re-elected so long as he holds onto the Blue Firewall If one accepts the Blue Firewall as all states that haven't voted for a Republican nominee more than once since 1992, inclusive, and wins one of Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Georgia, Virginia, Arizona, Indiana, or Missouri -- or Colorado and one of Nevada or Montana -- then Obama wins re-election. He would have to be catastrophically inept as President to lose anything in the Blue Firewall.  (I make an allowance for re-apportionment of members of the House of Representatives as the result of the 2010 Census).  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on June 29, 2009, 06:28:28 PM


New polls, some weird.

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Go figure. Who is the Texas Lyceum? How could anyone poll a 68% approval rating for Obama in Texas when he slips below 50% in Florida?   


According to Obama's approval ratings map, this is the 2012 election map I came up with an average Republican opponent.  It's only speculation.

The closer to dark green, Obama wins that state.  Light green and yellow, Republicans win that.
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You have to admit, this map is pretty fair according to the polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 29, 2009, 06:33:09 PM


New polls, some weird.

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Go figure. Who is the Texas Lyceum? How could anyone poll a 68% approval rating for Obama in Texas when he slips below 50% in Florida?   


According to Obama's approval ratings map, this is the 2012 election map I came up with an average Republican opponent.  It's only speculation.

The closer to dark green, Obama wins that state.  Light green and yellow, Republicans win that.
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You have to admit, this map is pretty fair according to the polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 29, 2009, 06:59:30 PM
Here's what I think will happen:

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Strong Republican win (10% +)
Weak  Republican win (5-9.9%)
Bare    Republican win (under 5%)
No tossups shown
Bare    Obama win  (under 5%)
Weak  Obama win  (5-9.9%)
Strong Obama win  (10% +)


This is a cautious prediction based on assumptions that:

1. Demographic change will be enough to flip Missouri and solidify Obama 's 2008 wins in Indiana and North Carolina

2. Obama maxed out support in Nevada, Colorado, Florida, Indiana, Ohio, Virginia, and North Carolina in 2008 -- and really, the Blue Firewall.

3. The absence of a candidate from Arizona takes away the Favorite Son effect

4. Obama makes gains in the South and Plains, but not enough to win anything other than Missouri.

5. Obama meets expectations of most who voted for him but doesn't convince enough of those who voted against him to change their minds enough to flip any state, except in Arizona (again, no Favorite Son effect will be active there) .

6. The GOP nominee has no unusual weaknesses in any region that Obama lost. 



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on June 29, 2009, 07:03:12 PM
CNN/Opinion Dynamics: National

Approve 61% (-1); Disapprove 37% (+2)

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/06/29/obamas-approval-rating-remains-steady-poll-says/

WASHINGTON (CNN) – A new national poll indicates that President Barack Obama's approval rating among Americans remains steady.

Sixty-one percent of people questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Monday say they approve of how Obama's handling his duties as president. Thirty-seven percent disapprove.

The 61 percent approval rating is down one point from May and down six points from February.

"Since March, Obama's approval rating has gone down one percentage point each month in CNN polls," notes CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "In March it was 64 percent; in April it was 63 percent. Last month his approval rating stood at 62 percent and now it is at 61 percent."

The poll suggests when it comes to opinions of Obama, gender and generation gaps continue.

Sixty-seven percent of women questioned in the survey approve of how Obama's handling his job as president. That number drops to 54 percent among men. Two-thirds of people under 50 years old questioned in the poll approve of the president's handling of his duties. That number drops to 54 percent among people over 50 years of age.

"We saw these same patterns in the exit polls on election night," Holland says. "It looks like the groups who voted heavily for Obama are sticking with him, but the groups in which his vote was lower are starting to drift."


The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll was conducted Friday (6/26) through Sunday (6/28), with 1,026 adult Americans questioned by telephone. The survey's sampling error is plus or minus three percentage points.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on June 29, 2009, 07:10:23 PM
Here's what I think will happen:

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Strong Republican win (10% +)
Weak  Republican win (5-9.9%)
Bare    Republican win (under 5%)
No tossups shown
Bare    Obama win  (under 5%)
Weak  Obama win  (5-9.9%)
Strong Obama win  (10% +)


This is a cautious prediction based on assumptions that:

1. Demographic change will be enough to flip Missouri and solidify Obama 's 2008 wins in Indiana and North Carolina

2. Obama maxed out support in Nevada, Colorado, Florida, Indiana, Ohio, Virginia, and North Carolina in 2008 -- and really, the Blue Firewall.

3. The absence of a candidate from Arizona takes away the Favorite Son effect

4. Obama makes gains in the South and Plains, but not enough to win anything other than Missouri.

5. Obama meets expectations of most who voted for him but doesn't convince enough of those who voted against him to change their minds enough to flip any state, except in Arizona (again, no Favorite Son effect will be active there) .

6. The GOP nominee has no unusual weaknesses in any region that Obama lost. 


I think Colorado will flip to Romeny if he runs.  If Obama doesn't stay away from being a far left radical, then Arizona will stay blue.  Nevada, keep as toss-up.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: marvelrobbins on June 29, 2009, 07:32:24 PM
Obama Is in better shape than Clinton or Bush JR were.

In 1996 Clinton lost 2 States that Perot caused him to win Colorado and Montanta.He also
lost Georgia which he barely won In 1992.He won Florida which Perot cost him In 1992.He
also won Arizona which he might have won In 1992 had Perot stayed out of the general
Election.

Bush In 2004 with a 50 percent approvol ratings lost New Hamphserie which would have gone to al Gore In 2000 If not for Ralph Nader and won Iowa and New Mexico which he
lost In 2000 due to Incresed support from Hispanic by fear tactics.

As I have said many times Obama will not win a landslide In 2012.Obama has a good shot at taking Missouri.His best approval from a Mccain state.Nader may have cost Obama Missouri In 2008.Nader got more votes here than Mccain beat Obama by.Beyond that Arizona without Mccain on the ticket could be In Play.Indiana and Noth Carolna are questions.My thinking Is If he loses one It will Indiana.NC Is more likely to stay Dem.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on June 29, 2009, 07:46:58 PM
Obama Is in better shape than Clinton or Bush JR were.

In 1996 Clinton lost 2 States that Perot caused him to win Colorado and Montanta.He also
lost Georgia which he barely won In 1992.He won Florida which Perot cost him In 1992.He
also won Arizona which he might have won In 1992 had Perot stayed out of the general
Election.

Bush In 2004 with a 50 percent approvol ratings lost New Hamphserie which would have gone to al Gore In 2000 If not for Ralph Nader and won Iowa and New Mexico which he
lost In 2000 due to Incresed support from Hispanic by fear tactics.

As I have said many times Obama will not win a landslide In 2012.Obama has a good shot at taking Missouri.His best approval from a Mccain state.Nader may have cost Obama Missouri In 2008.Nader got more votes here than Mccain beat Obama by.Beyond that Arizona without Mccain on the ticket could be In Play.Indiana and Noth Carolna are questions.My thinking Is If he loses one It will Indiana.NC Is more likely to stay Dem.

You know who had approvals higher than Obama's at this point... Jimmy Carter.

Yeah, he really won his reelection in a landslide didn't he. ::)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 29, 2009, 07:55:26 PM
Obama Is in better shape than Clinton or Bush JR were.

In 1996 Clinton lost 2 States that Perot caused him to win Colorado and Montanta.He also
lost Georgia which he barely won In 1992.He won Florida which Perot cost him In 1992.He
also won Arizona which he might have won In 1992 had Perot stayed out of the general
Election.

Bush In 2004 with a 50 percent approvol ratings lost New Hamphserie which would have gone to al Gore In 2000 If not for Ralph Nader and won Iowa and New Mexico which he
lost In 2000 due to Incresed support from Hispanic by fear tactics.

As I have said many times Obama will not win a landslide In 2012.Obama has a good shot at taking Missouri.His best approval from a Mccain state.Nader may have cost Obama Missouri In 2008.Nader got more votes here than Mccain beat Obama by.Beyond that Arizona without Mccain on the ticket could be In Play.Indiana and Noth Carolna are questions.My thinking Is If he loses one It will Indiana.NC Is more likely to stay Dem.
lol
I love it when people blame elections on 3rd party candidates.
Because look at it from the other side: Clinton caused Perot to lose Maine and Montana, as well as a couple other states. If it wasn't for Clinton, Perot could have won. If it wasn't for Bush, Perot could have won.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on June 29, 2009, 07:59:06 PM
We need to stop acting like the states that haven't voted Republican ince the 1980s provide some sort of structural advantage to Obama. The Democrats have won those states because Republican national margins have been nonexistent to narrow.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: marvelrobbins on June 29, 2009, 08:04:18 PM
Republicans have been saying for years Perot caused Clinton's election.You have to acknoldge third party candiates cost candiates from major party states In General Election.

Keep bringing up Carter.Obama Is not Carter.A better candiate than Carter ever was.And
better President.Clinton and Bush won reelection.Although with Bush It was more an election after the supreme court stopped the recount.

On this forum I repersente the Democrats where most others are against him on this forum.I will be for Obama while many others here are for romney.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on June 29, 2009, 08:45:27 PM
Republicans have been saying for years Perot caused Clinton's election.You have to acknoldge third party candiates cost candiates from major party states In General Election.

Keep bringing up Carter.Obama Is not Carter.A better candiate than Carter ever was.And
better President.Clinton and Bush won reelection.Although with Bush It was more an election after the supreme court stopped the recount.

On this forum I repersente the Democrats where most others are against him on this forum.I will be for Obama while many others here are for romney.
Uh, ok whatever you say...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 29, 2009, 10:03:41 PM
We need to stop acting like the states that haven't voted Republican since the 1980s provide some sort of structural advantage to Obama. The Democrats have won those states because Republican national margins have been nonexistent to narrow.

So how do you suggest that the GOP can win back the states that the GOP hasn't won since the 1980's? Look at some of the margins of Obama victories in 2008:


California            24%
Massachusetts   27%
New York            26% 
Rhode Island      27%
Connecticut        22%
Vermont             37%
Maryland            25%
Maine                 17%
Michigan             17%
Oregon               16%
Washington        17%
Wisconsin           14%
Minnesota           11%
New Jersey         16%
Pennsylvania      10%


I haven't mentioned Illinois, Hawaii, or Delaware out of fairness as those are arguable home states of the President and Vice-President.

As for those that have voted once for a GOP nominee for President since 1988, Iowa and New Hampshire both went for Obama by 9% and New Mexico went by 15%.  There were no squeakers among those. So the GOP nominee had to win just about everything else to win in 2008 just as Dubya succeeded at in 2000 and 2004 (maybe "with a little help of his friends" like Katharine Harris and Kenneth Blackwell).

Obama had that working for him in the late summer of 2008: 264 electoral votes. Winning all states that hadn't voted for a GOP Presidential nominee in at least twenty years wasn't enough to win, but it put the 2008 GOP nominee in the position in which he couldn't lose anything else. At that point, Nevada was enough to put the final vote into a tiebreaker that the Democrats could expect to win. A bunch of states were close, and Obama needed only one with which to win the election outright: Colorado, Virginia, North Carolina, Ohio, Indiana, Missouri, Georgia, and Florida. A Presidential campaign reasonably certain of 264 electoral votes had 511 ways in which to win and one in which to lose.  That's mathematics -- not politics. You can argue with my politics any time that you want, but math has no partisan bias. Make the right promises, and you win one of the states you are seeking.

Here's one way of looking at the voting history in a state:

Map:

PRESIDENTIAL VOTING HISTORY

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Obama wins (last GOP nominee wins):

near-black: 1972 (MN) or never (DC)  Nixon*
deep red: 1984   Reagan
medium red: 1988    GHWB
pink: 2000 or 2004  GWB won once
beige: 2004  GWB won twice


McCain wins (last Democratic win):

light blue: 1992 or 1996 Clinton
blue: 1976  Carter
deep blue: 1964  LBJ
 

Note that this is not a prediction of how any state will vote in 2012. For example, Obama has a much better chance of winning North Dakota than of winning Arkansas, about as much chance of winning Missouri as of winning Indiana, and more chance of losing Minnesota than California.

Any state in beige will be a legitimate swing state in 2012, and any state in pale blue is a swing state under the right circumstances. Those in any shade of red (including near-black as well as pink) isn't -- and those states will account for about 260 electoral votes in 2012.  In essence the GOP nominee can win only if getting everything in beige and any shade of blue.



 
 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on June 29, 2009, 10:52:26 PM
Why is Hawaii mentioned?

Hawaii is not Obama's home state.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 29, 2009, 11:05:42 PM
Why is Hawaii mentioned?

Hawaii is not Obama's home state.

He was born there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on June 29, 2009, 11:18:36 PM
Why is Hawaii mentioned?

Hawaii is not Obama's home state.

He was born there.

Biden was born in Pennsylvania, yet Pennsylvania was not mentioned as one of the home states.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on June 29, 2009, 11:31:46 PM
Why is Hawaii mentioned?

Hawaii is not Obama's home state.

He was born there.

Biden was born in Pennsylvania, yet Pennsylvania was not mentioned as one of the home states.

Not to mention that a politician's place of birth is pretty much irrelevant. Because apparently Connecticut was a home state of Bush II, but he never won there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 29, 2009, 11:47:44 PM
We need to stop acting like the states that haven't voted Republican ince the 1980s provide some sort of structural advantage to Obama. The Democrats have won those states because Republican national margins have been nonexistent to narrow.

Actuallly no for instance in 1976 Ford won California inspite losing the Nation wide vote by 2%. In 1988 Bush Sr won CA by 3.5% although he won nationwide by 8. In 2004 Bush won by 2.5% and lost CA by 10%. In 2008 McCain lost by 7% and lost CA by 24%. The trend has clearly been away from us since the 80's. CA votes Dem by 17 points more then the National Average. Meaning in 2012. A Republican would have to win 58% of the vote and still could just narrowly lose it the same way Bush narrowly lost NY in 1988.

1976 R+3
1984 D+1
1988 D+4.5%
2004 D+12.5%
2008 D+17


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 29, 2009, 11:48:24 PM
Massachusetts (Rasmussen):

63% Approve
36% Disapprove

This state telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in the state of Massachusettes was conducted by Rasmussen Reports on June 24, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/massachusetts/toplines_election_2010_massachusettes_governor_june_24_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 29, 2009, 11:52:11 PM
Why is Hawaii mentioned?

Hawaii is not Obama's home state.

He was born there.


Biden was born in Pennsylvania, yet Pennsylvania was not mentioned as one of the home states.

Not to mention that a politician's place of birth is pretty much irrelevant. Because apparently Connecticut was a home state of Bush II, but he never won there.

Of course it depends on the candidates appeal there which Bush had none. Biden's theme appealed to Pennsylvanias but its impossible to know how much of that 10 point margin is his doing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: justfollowingtheelections on June 29, 2009, 11:55:00 PM
Why is Hawaii mentioned?

Hawaii is not Obama's home state.

He was born there.

Biden was born in Pennsylvania, yet Pennsylvania was not mentioned as one of the home states.

Hawaii loves Obama and they're very proud of him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rob on June 30, 2009, 12:54:55 AM
So how do you suggest that the GOP can win back the states that the GOP hasn't won since the 1980's?

California and Vermont are just waiting for a true conservative to win the Republican nomination, hack.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on June 30, 2009, 03:34:12 AM
Clinton 1996:

Pennslyvania - +9
Florida - +6
Nevada - +1
Missouri - +6
New Mexico - +7
New Hampshire - +10
Ohio - +6
Arizona - +2

Gore 2000:

Pennslyvania - +4
Florida - -0.1
Nevada - -4
Missouri - -3
New Mexico - +0.1
New Hampshire - -1
Ohio - -3
Arizona - -6


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 30, 2009, 09:22:45 AM
So how do you suggest that the GOP can win back the states that the GOP hasn't won since the 1980's?

California and Vermont are just waiting for a true conservative to win the Republican nomination, hack.

Wasn't John McCain a genuine conservative? Bob Dole? George H.W. Bush in 1992?

The consistencies of the Republican Party look increasingly like those that typically support fascist movements: financiers, industrialists, big landowners, racists, snobs, religious bigots, and ultra-nationalists.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on June 30, 2009, 10:30:26 AM
Republicans have been saying for years Perot caused Clinton's election.You have to acknoldge third party candiates cost candiates from major party states In General Election.

Keep bringing up Carter.Obama Is not Carter.A better candiate than Carter ever was.And
better President.Clinton and Bush won reelection.Although with Bush It was more an election after the supreme court stopped the recount.

On this forum I repersente the Democrats where most others are against him on this forum.I will be for Obama while many others here are for romney.

At this point in his Presidency, you would've said Carter was a great candidate and leader.

Clinton won reelection because he moved to the middle. Bush won because his opponent sucked.

Obama has some problems:

1. The chance that healthcare could fail. He and other Democrats have made this their central domestic issue. So if it fails, there will be a much greater impact than in 1992.

2. The media, which so far has been pretty nice to Obama, is starting to actually do its job and be critical. If you saw Obama's latest press conference, he seemed frustrated and dismissive towards reporters who asked hard questions.

3. All this spending could cause massive inflation in the future.

4. So far, the stimulus doesn't seem to have slowed the job loss rate. If this continues he's in big trouble.

5. He isn't being bipartisan like he said.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on June 30, 2009, 11:41:01 AM
2. The media, which so far has been pretty nice to Obama, is starting to actually do its job and be critical. If you saw Obama's latest press conference, he seemed frustrated and dismissive towards reporters who asked hard questions.


Yeah, very hard questions. Like the one if John McCain and Lindsay Graham's whining influenced his denunciation of the Iran violence or the other one about smoking.


LMAO!
You know, it's pretty hard to be bipartisan when the other party doesn't even hide his complete and absolute unwillingness to compromise.
Unless of course you use the David Broder definition of bipartisanship: the Democrats capitulating to every Republican demand.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: marvelrobbins on June 30, 2009, 12:25:27 PM
The biggest Myth Is the Media In the tank for Obama.Besides the weeknight prime time lineup on MSNBC you can't find any Media outlets fair to Obama.Why do you think MSNBC Is beating CNN In the raitings?

In 2005 Kerry was never given as much airtime as Mccain got and Kerry got more votes than Mccain did.

Gingrich reelected Clinton by shuting down the government and his other actions.Kerry lost due to sabatoge by Clinton people and one of the dirtiest campagins ever.

I was only 3 In 1977 so I only know Carter as President by History but keep underestimating Obama and you will regret It.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on June 30, 2009, 12:34:44 PM
keep underestimating Obama and you will regret It.

I agree. I can't remember how many times I thought during the campaign that he was out...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 30, 2009, 08:38:58 PM
Why is Hawaii mentioned?

Hawaii is not Obama's home state.

He was born there.

Biden was born in Pennsylvania, yet Pennsylvania was not mentioned as one of the home states.

The VP doesn't have the pull that the President has. That both Biden and Palin came from States with only three electoral votes suggests that they were selected for ideological purposes more than the ability to "deliver" a state. McCain could have selected well-known and well-respected Dick Lugar to "deliver" Indiana or George Voinovich to "deliver" Ohio, which were both close -- and both of which McCain lost. 

Let's take a good look at earlier VP nominees. John Edwards couldn't deliver North Carolina or any other Southern state in 2004, but Obama could win North Carolina in 2008. Go figure. al Gore picked Joe Lieberman  not so much to win Connecticut (a foregone conclusion) as to win the Jewish vote in critical states, particularly Florida or perhaps Ohio. He delivered neither, and Gore lost. Dick Cheney changed his legal residence to Wyoming, with three electoral votes never in doubt.  Such accounts for elections for Dubya.

1988-1996?  Bob Dole selected Jack Kemp with little chance of Kemp delivering New York State and 30+ electoral votes. Kemp was from the wrong part of the state, and even if he was well respected in New York, he couldn't prevent a Clinton landslide. Bill Clinton, an Arkansas politician, chose a running mate from Tennessee -- a state that generally travels politically with Arkansas due to similar demographics. Clinton chose Gore probably more for ideological compatibility than the ability to deliver what looked like a critical State (let us say Pennsylvania). Clinton/Gore did quite well, even against an incumbent President generally well-respected.  GHWB chose Dan Quayle as VP for reasons other than delivering a shaky state (Indiana was then a rock-solid GOP preserve). Whatever questions anyone could have had about Dan Quayle, one had few about Mike Dukakis' choice for VP, the well-regarded Lloyd Bentsen, Senator from Texas. Problem: GHWB was also connected to Texas, demonstrating the comparative significance of having a Presidential candidate from a State over a VP candidate from the state. GHWB won Texas, which as late as 1980 voted more than the national average for Jimmy Carter.

Not much need be said of the elections involving Ronald Reagan, so I will say little. 1976? Carter picked Walter Mondale, Senator from a State with no tendency to go Republican; Ford picked Bob Dole, a Senator from a small state unlikely to go Democratic. Ho hum.

1960-1972? Call it the Nixon era if you wish, containing one near-miss of Nixon and his two elections. Both Kennedy and Nixon sought geographic balance and draw your own conclusions. You can say little about an electoral blowout in 1964. 1968? Humphrey chose a fellow Yankee (Muskie); Nixon got Spiro T. Agnew. 1972? 1964 in reverse.   

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on July 01, 2009, 03:09:37 AM
This thread is becoming such a train wreck. Good stuff!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 01, 2009, 12:59:06 PM
This thread is becoming such a train wreck. Good stuff!

Then it's time for some new polls:

New York (Marist)

63% Excellent/Good
36% Fair/Poor

This survey of 1,003 registered voters in New York State was conducted on June 23rd through June 25th 2009.  Registered voters were interviewed by telephone in proportion to the voter registration in each county in New York and adjusted for turnout in statewide elections. Results are statistically significant at ±3%. There are 441 Democrats and 281 Republicans. Results for these subsamples are statistically significant at ±5% and ±6%, respectively. The error margin increases for cross-tabulations.

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/nyspolls/ny090623/Registered%20Voters/Obama%20Approval%20Rating.htm

60% of Whites approve and 78% of Non-Whites.

What is this poll made of to get 63% overall ? 95% Whites ? :P

Chuck Schumer's approval also looks suspicously low ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 01, 2009, 01:02:50 PM
New Jersey (Fairleigh Dickinson University)

61% Approve
29% Disapprove

The Fairleigh Dickinson University poll of 803 registered voters statewide was conducted by telephone from June 22, 2009, through June 29, 2009, and has a margin of error of +/- 3.5 percentage points.

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/30jun/tab.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: marvelrobbins on July 01, 2009, 01:20:59 PM
Gallup
__________________________________________________________________________
Approve 63%(+3)
Disapprovol 30%(-2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 01, 2009, 01:40:41 PM
New polls today:

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New York State comes down to Earth to some extent.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: the artist formerly known as catmusic on July 01, 2009, 01:47:56 PM
New polls today:

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New York State comes down to Earth to some extent.

Hmmmm...... interesting map. I was hoping for a Maryland or Vermont poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on July 01, 2009, 01:55:37 PM
New Survery USA 50 polls:

Approve\Disapprove

Alabama: 46\49
California: 64\32
Iowa: 57\39
Kansas: 49\49
Kentucky: 47\51
Minnesota: 59\36
Missouri: 51\45
New Mexico: 53\44
New York: 65\30
Oregon: 56\41
Virginia: 59\36
Washington State: 63\33
Wisconsin: 59\38


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 01, 2009, 02:01:26 PM
New Survery USA 50 polls:

ApproveDisapprove

Alabama: 4649
California: 6432
Iowa: 5739
Kansas: 4949
Kentucky: 4751
Minnesota: 5936
Missouri: 5145
New Mexico: 5344
New York: 6530
Oregon: 5641
Virginia: 5936
Washington State: 6333
Wisconsin: 5938


They are not "new":

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=91754.1125


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: the artist formerly known as catmusic on July 01, 2009, 02:03:54 PM
New Survery USA 50 polls:

ApproveDisapprove

Alabama: 4649
California: 6432
Iowa: 5739
Kansas: 4949
Kentucky: 4751
Minnesota: 5936
Missouri: 5145
New Mexico: 5344
New York: 6530
Oregon: 5641
Virginia: 5936
Washington State: 6333
Wisconsin: 5938


They are not "new":

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=91754.1125


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 01, 2009, 02:09:23 PM
New Jersey (PPP):

53% Approve
40% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 1,094 New Jersey voters from June 27th to 29th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-3.0%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NJ_701.pdf

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 01, 2009, 02:14:55 PM
The NJ poll is especially interesting because Senators Menendez and Lautenberg are at 32-43 and 41-46 disapproval, while Strategic Vision just a week ago had them at 50-37 and 47-40 approval, while their numbers on Obama were quite similar (SV about 3% higher).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 01, 2009, 02:44:29 PM


Hmmmm...... interesting map. I was hoping for a Maryland or Vermont poll.

Funny! I was interested more in Mississippi, Montana, and North Dakota.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 02, 2009, 01:39:07 PM
Quinnipiac University National Poll:

57% Approve
33% Disapprove

From June 23 - 29, Quinnipiac University surveyed 3,063 registered voters nationwide with a margin of error of +/- 1.8 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1345


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 04, 2009, 12:35:25 AM
Due to a lack of domestic polls, let's look north:

Canada Harris-Decima poll:

73% Excellent/Good
20% Fair/Poor

Each week, Harris/Decima interviews just over 1000 Canadians through teleVox, the company’s national telephone omnibus survey. These data were gathered between June 18 and June 21 2009. A sample of the same size has a margin of error of 3.1%, 19 times out of 20.

http://www.harrisdecima.com/en/downloads/pdf/news_releases/070209E.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on July 04, 2009, 11:42:44 AM
^ Actually, I think it could be higher than that. It says that 16% say he's doing a fair job, while only 4% say he's doing a poor job. I hate when they include the "fair" option.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on July 04, 2009, 11:56:25 AM
The Canadian poll makes sense. Obama has had a stellar foreign policy thus far, and that's what people in other countries care about.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on July 04, 2009, 02:04:42 PM
The Canadian poll makes sense. Obama has had a stellar foreign policy thus far, and that's what people in other countries care about.

Ironic since his economic policy will actually hurt Canada. But people are not very intelligent in this country.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 06, 2009, 12:58:32 PM
*big yawn*

Are polling outfits finally bankrupt or the newspapers paying them ?

(Or it was July 4th ...)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 06, 2009, 01:22:15 PM
PPP will poll Pawlenty against Obama in Minnesota this week ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on July 06, 2009, 02:44:17 PM
PPP will poll Pawlenty against Obama in Minnesota this week ...

I think Obama will have a lead of 3-4 points.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 06, 2009, 11:59:20 PM
PPP will poll Pawlenty against Obama in Minnesota this week ...

I think Obama will have a lead of 3-4 points.

I`ll predict 53-42 Obama approval in the state and 47-41 vs. Pawlenty.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on July 07, 2009, 12:01:22 AM
PPP will poll Pawlenty against Obama in Minnesota this week ...

I think Obama will have a lead of 3-4 points.

I`ll predict 53-42 Obama approval in the state and 47-41 vs. Pawlenty.

Yeah, maybe, since it's PPP and they have been giving Obama far worse numbers than anyone else.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 07, 2009, 12:12:59 AM
PPP will poll Pawlenty against Obama in Minnesota this week ...

I think Obama will have a lead of 3-4 points.

I`ll predict 53-42 Obama approval in the state and 47-41 vs. Pawlenty.

Yeah, maybe, since it's PPP and they have been giving Obama far worse numbers than anyone else.

Also, MN polls have been really weird too in the last 3 cycles. In 2004 they overestimated Bush, in 2006 they overestimated Hatch and in 2008 they overestimated Obama ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on July 07, 2009, 06:08:45 AM
Ohio(Quinnipiac)

Approve 49%
Disapprove 44%

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1322.xml?ReleaseID=1347


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on July 07, 2009, 08:44:20 AM
Rasmussen Tracking

52% Approve
47% Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on July 07, 2009, 09:39:07 AM
Whoa! Ohio is lower than I thought it would be, and Obama has fallen again in Rasmussen. Will more disapprove than approve by the end of the month?

Not sure what Rasmussen poll you see, but mine has Obama at 53-47.

Gallup (National):
Approve: 59%
Disapprove: 34%
Undecided: 7%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on July 07, 2009, 10:19:41 AM
It's 52%.

Today's Gallup among Adults

58% Approve (-1)
35% Disapprove (+1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BM on July 07, 2009, 04:33:27 PM
PPP:

Quote
Obama's Decline with Independents
It's been seven weeks now since we put out any poll- national or state level- that showed Barack Obama's approval rating over 50% with independents. Tomorrow's Virginia release on politician approvals in the state finds Obama with just 38% of voters in that group giving him good marks to 52% disapproving.

Here's how Obama fared among independents in our last eight polls, listed in reverse chronological order:


Virginia
38/52

New Jersey   
43/46

Ohio
49/39

North Carolina
49/43

National
46/49

Wisconsin
49/45

Alabama
40/49

West Virginia
33/53


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Holmes on July 07, 2009, 04:36:34 PM
Gee. I wonder why independents aren't approving a right-leaning administration.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on July 07, 2009, 04:51:33 PM
Gee. I wonder why independents aren't approving a right-leaning administration.

Probably the same reason they disapproved of the left-leaning Bush administration.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on July 07, 2009, 04:55:52 PM
I bet a lot of these "Democrats" they survey don't turn out in elections, so their opinion means very little. They're probably overestimating his support. This seems to be the trend, Democrats' numbers are overestimated because many "Democrats" don't care very much and thus don't vote.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dan the Roman on July 07, 2009, 05:10:26 PM
I bet a lot of these "Democrats" they survey don't turn out in elections, so their opinion means very little. They're probably overestimating his support. This seems to be the trend, Democrats' numbers are overestimated because many "Democrats" don't care very much and thus don't vote.

Amusingly before both the 2006 and 2008 elections there was enormous amounts of discussion about over weighting Democrats blah blah blah, and the end finding was that at least in most state polls there was absolutely nothing to it. If anything, in order to get an accurate picture of results you had to overweight Democrats and Independents substantially to make up for the extreme conservatism of the rump of the GOP, whose supporters are a lot more cohesive since most Republicans who are likely to vote against the party or support Obama have switched identifications.

 This is a issue with polls that use identification rather than registration as their baseline. It also seemed mostly to apply to state polls more than national ones. A lot of this is because most national polls were by CBS/ABC/NBC/NYT whose polls suck generally.

This should not be an issue at all with Rassmussen or Surveyusa which use a likely voter screen, and there is enormous evidence(go back and look at polls in 2003 or 1997 for senate races) that the further out from an election, the greater a likely voter screen favors Republicans.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 07, 2009, 11:57:19 PM
Wisconsin (University of Wisconsin Badger Poll):

63% Approve
32% Disapprove

http://www.uwsc.wisc.edu/BP28_PR1.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on July 08, 2009, 12:14:33 AM
If anything, in order to get an accurate picture of results you had to overweight Democrats and Independents substantially to make up for the extreme conservatism of the rump of the GOP, whose supporters are a lot more cohesive since most Republicans who are likely to vote against the party or support Obama have switched identifications.

 This is a issue with polls that use identification rather than registration as their baseline. It also seemed mostly to apply to state polls more than national ones. A lot of this is because most national polls were by CBS/ABC/NBC/NYT whose polls suck generally.

I don't really understand why this would show up in polls but not at the polls.  I'm very tired, but could you explain in greater depth?

Or just, like, say "read it tomorrow you jerk."  I can do that, too, although I think I'll still probably be confused.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 08, 2009, 07:00:03 AM
PPP:

Quote
Obama's Decline with Independents
It's been seven weeks now since we put out any poll- national or state level- that showed Barack Obama's approval rating over 50% with independents. Tomorrow's Virginia release on politician approvals in the state finds Obama with just 38% of voters in that group giving him good marks to 52% disapproving.

Here's how Obama fared among independents in our last eight polls, listed in reverse chronological order:


Virginia
38/52

New Jersey   
43/46

Ohio
49/39

North Carolina
49/43

National
46/49

Wisconsin
49/45

Alabama
40/49

West Virginia
33/53

Nationally, Independents soured on Republicans these past two election cycles (though, IIRC, only in Florida - of the Southern states - did they clearly break for Obama (52-45); pretty evenly split in Virginia - so if Obama's trailing 38-52 in approval then it is bad). It was mostly in the traditionally Democratic and Democratic-leaning swing states where they overwhelmingly split for Obama

It's understandable that if Democratic efforts to rejuvenate the economy are perceived to be falling short that they are souring on Obama

Will Republicans ultimately benefit? Possibly - but lets see how things stand in autumn of 2010. Much could happen, for the better - or for the worse - (at home and abroad) between now and then


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on July 08, 2009, 09:09:07 AM
Rasmussen

52% Approve (+0)
48% Disapprove (+1)
Overall +4 (-1)

Strongly Approve 32% (-1)
Strongly Disapprove 37% (+1)
Overall -5 (-2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dan the Roman on July 08, 2009, 10:17:14 AM
If anything, in order to get an accurate picture of results you had to overweight Democrats and Independents substantially to make up for the extreme conservatism of the rump of the GOP, whose supporters are a lot more cohesive since most Republicans who are likely to vote against the party or support Obama have switched identifications.

 This is a issue with polls that use identification rather than registration as their baseline. It also seemed mostly to apply to state polls more than national ones. A lot of this is because most national polls were by CBS/ABC/NBC/NYT whose polls suck generally.


I don't really understand why this would show up in polls but not at the polls.  I'm very tired, but could you explain in greater depth?

Or just, like, say "read it tomorrow you jerk."  I can do that, too, although I think I'll still probably be confused.


Basically we all agree that the number of Republicans has been going down over the last few years and adjust polls accordingly. But at the same time the percentage of Republicans is going down, those voters leaving them aren't dissapearing, but they are actively changing the makeup of independents. As a result numbers that might well have been

D Candidate R Candidate

D(35%)  93%              7%
I(31%)   55%             43%
R(34%)  85%              13%

Will very likely change into

D(37%) 91%               9%
I(37%)  52%               44%
R(26%) 93%                 7%

This would be portrayed as voters souring on Democrats even though few voters have actually changed their preference at all. All they have done is changed their identification. I think that there has been an approach taken that all Independents are actually ideologically similar, when in fact, independents are ideologically closest to the minority party whose members have moved en masse into it. All that has really changed is that Republicans are identifying as independents. Now a few may have actually changed their ideology, but most have probably kept at least some of their views.

Basically this is my counter to Rasmussen's claims that independents are becoming more conservative on "x issue". I don't think there is actual evidence of them becoming more anti-tax. Instead Anti-tax  people switched registration recently.

Sorry on not posting earlier. In a European time zone.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on July 08, 2009, 11:34:27 AM
Dan, SUSA doesn't use a LV screen, at least until a month or two before said election.  All of their approval polls right now are of "adults".

The key point to keep in mind - what do SUSA, PPP and Rasmussen share in common?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BM on July 08, 2009, 12:17:41 PM
Gallup:

Approve 56% (-2)
Disapprove 36% (+1)

both the worst ever for his presidency


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on July 08, 2009, 12:29:05 PM
Wisconsin (University of Wisconsin Badger Poll):

63% Approve
32% Disapprove

http://www.uwsc.wisc.edu/BP28_PR1.pdf

New Badger poll: Approval--100%.

(Number of badgers polled: 1; MOE = +/- 5%) :-)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on July 08, 2009, 02:26:57 PM
Gallup:

Approve 56% (-2)
Disapprove 36% (+1)

both the worst ever for his presidency

56% was JFK's lowest approval rating.

I can see him having 45-55% approval ratings in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on July 08, 2009, 03:28:25 PM
The key point to keep in mind - what do SUSA, PPP and Rasmussen share in common?

IVR.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 08, 2009, 03:36:05 PM
Anyone have any numbers for what Bush and Clinton's approvals were at this point in their term? For comparison.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on July 08, 2009, 04:32:29 PM
Anyone have any numbers for what Bush and Clinton's approvals were at this point in their term? For comparison.

Gallup averages:

Clinton July 1993: 43% approve 49% disapprove

Bush July 2001: 57% approve 34% disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on July 08, 2009, 06:12:59 PM
I know favorable ratings aren't the same thing as approval ratings, but they go hand in hand.

Anyway, Obama's favorable ratings in NC: 61% favorable, 29% unfavorable

http://www.nccivitas.org/media/poll-results/june-2009-poll-results


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on July 08, 2009, 06:50:50 PM
Virginia(PPP)

Approve 48%
Disapprove 46%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_VA_708.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on July 08, 2009, 09:31:28 PM
I know favorable ratings aren't the same thing as approval ratings, but they go hand in hand.

Anyway, Obama's favorable ratings in NC: 61% favorable, 29% unfavorable

http://www.nccivitas.org/media/poll-results/june-2009-poll-results

I wouldn't read to much into that poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on July 08, 2009, 10:04:58 PM
I know favorable ratings aren't the same thing as approval ratings, but they go hand in hand.

Anyway, Obama's favorable ratings in NC: 61% favorable, 29% unfavorable

http://www.nccivitas.org/media/poll-results/june-2009-poll-results

Civitas? Quality polling firm right there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 08, 2009, 10:28:01 PM
New polls today:

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Obama is slipping some -- probably because he is out of the country.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Purple State on July 08, 2009, 10:34:39 PM
Obama is slipping some -- probably because he is out of the country.

Haha, what?  Do you think people are like, "Ah! I don't see the President! Where is he, where is he?! He's horrible!"

Only in Fake America. Those damn elitist liberals can't go without those visuals, ya know.



:P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on July 08, 2009, 10:35:52 PM
Obama is slipping some -- probably because he is out of the country.

Haha, what?  Do you think people are like, "Ah! I don't see the President! Where is he, where is he?! He's horrible!"

I don't think that's the reason his approval ratings have fallen (slightly...), but the perception that he's spending too much time focusing on international issues, which is reinforced when people see photos of him smiling with Putin or Medvedev, and not doing anything to help the economy certainly can't be helpful (in the short term, at least).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on July 08, 2009, 11:20:38 PM
New polls today:

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)

Obama is slipping some -- probably because he is out of the country.



Expect to see more yellow on that map within 6 to 12 months.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on July 08, 2009, 11:28:43 PM
Obama is slipping some -- probably because he is out of the country.

Haha, what?  Do you think people are like, "Ah! I don't see the President! Where is he, where is he?! He's horrible!"

I don't think that's the reason his approval ratings have fallen (slightly...), but the perception that he's spending too much time focusing on international issues, which is reinforced when people see photos of him smiling with Putin or Medvedev, and not doing anything to help the economy certainly can't be helpful (in the short term, at least).
Yeah the fact that he has spent so much time focusing on foriegn policy with almost no attention put on the economy has gotten even me irritated with him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Purple State on July 08, 2009, 11:47:09 PM
Obama is slipping some -- probably because he is out of the country.

Haha, what?  Do you think people are like, "Ah! I don't see the President! Where is he, where is he?! He's horrible!"

I don't think that's the reason his approval ratings have fallen (slightly...), but the perception that he's spending too much time focusing on international issues, which is reinforced when people see photos of him smiling with Putin or Medvedev, and not doing anything to help the economy certainly can't be helpful (in the short term, at least).
Yeah the fact that he has spent so much time focusing on foriegn policy with almost no attention put on the economy has gotten even me irritated with him.

What no attention?

The issue with modern media is that we assume that if it's not in the 24 hour news cycle, it isn't happening. It's not like Obama is single-handedly steering the economy, so what does him being home have to do with how he handles the economy? He can't make domestic decisions abroad?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 08, 2009, 11:47:15 PM
New Jersey (Rasmussen):

55% Approve
44% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in New Jersey was conducted by Rasmussen Reports July 7, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2009/new_jersey/toplines/toplines_new_jersey_governor_july_7_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 09, 2009, 01:15:01 AM
Obama is slipping some -- probably because he is out of the country.

Haha, what?  Do you think people are like, "Ah! I don't see the President! Where is he, where is he?! He's horrible!"

When a mad leader in North Korea fires off missiles and has a nuke program, any missiles (nukes or not) that that mad leader orders fired at the West Coast must pass through Russian airspace, and our President gets a chance to discuss what to do about it with the Russian political leadership and gets a chance, do you think that he would be wise to take factory tours in Ohio instead?

To put it crudely, he had better do diplomacy with Russia so that people in Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Sacramento, Fresno, Los Angeles, San Diego can be sure of being able to vote for him. Vaporized people don't vote, among other things. If one of our great cities is hit hard enough, then a high level of unemployment there will be the least of most people's problems.

Who wants to create jobs for grave diggers? 

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on July 09, 2009, 06:41:43 AM
Obama is slipping some -- probably because he is out of the country.

Haha, what?  Do you think people are like, "Ah! I don't see the President! Where is he, where is he?! He's horrible!"

When a mad leader in North Korea fires off missiles and has a nuke program, any missiles (nukes or not) that that mad leader orders fired at the West Coast must pass through Russian airspace, and our President gets a chance to discuss what to do about it with the Russian political leadership and gets a chance, do you think that he would be wise to take factory tours in Ohio instead?

To put it crudely, he had better do diplomacy with Russia so that people in Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Sacramento, Fresno, Los Angeles, San Diego can be sure of being able to vote for him. Vaporized people don't vote, among other things. If one of our great cities is hit hard enough, then a high level of unemployment there will be the least of most people's problems.

Who wants to create jobs for grave diggers? 

 

Well thanks for enlightening us dullards on the virtues of diplomacy. I think, however, that he was making fun of another one of your unsubstantiated views and desired more evidence for them.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on July 09, 2009, 11:20:16 AM
Judging by all these new state polls, I'd peg Obama's nationwide approval somewhere around 50-53%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on July 09, 2009, 11:24:38 AM
I think we can all agree that with these approval numbers, Utah is no longer in play for Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pogo stick on July 09, 2009, 11:34:02 AM
I think we can all agree that with these approval numbers, Utah is no longer in play for Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: the artist formerly known as catmusic on July 09, 2009, 12:22:26 PM
I think we can all agree that with these approval numbers, Utah is no longer in play for Obama.

Utah never was in play for him. Utah is Yoo-tah and it is going to stay that way.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ronnie on July 09, 2009, 12:40:39 PM
Why is Gallup so different from Rasmussen?  Is it the Adult vs. Likely voters thing?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on July 09, 2009, 02:04:45 PM
Minnesota Preview
 
Tomorrow we're releasing a poll looking at how Minnesota voters view Barack Obama, Sarah Palin, and Tim Pawlenty and how Obama does in a head to head against the Republicans.

There is some good news for Republicans in the numbers, but here are a couple key points:

-Only 6% of respondents who say they approve of Obama's job performance indicated they would support Pawlenty against him- not much of a 'home field' advantage for the state's Governor.

-As for Palin, well, all I can say is Goldwater.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on July 09, 2009, 02:09:44 PM
a bad news from texas ...
Job Approval / Disapproval
Gov. Perry: 42 / 32
Pres. Obama: 43 / 46

2010 Governor: Republican Primary
Rick Perry 38%, Kay Bailey Hutchison 26%

2010 Governor: Democratic Primary
Kinky Friedman 12%, Leticia Van de Putte 7%

If Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison resigns from the Senate to run for Governor and there is a special election to fill her Senate seat, which of the following candidates would you vote for, or haven't you thought enough about it to have an opinion?

John Sharp (D) 9%, David Dewhurst (R) 9%, Bill White (D) 6%, Greg Abbot (R) 5%

2012 President
Obama 36%, Romney 34%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on July 09, 2009, 02:10:23 PM
Why is Gallup so different from Rasmussen?  Is it the Adult vs. Likely voters thing?

Probably. Many people who don't really know much about politics are generally Democrats (as to why, I don't know). However, if you don't vote, then your opinion of the President is irrelevant in my opinion. While interesting, it doesn't really matter because they don't vote and thus don't hold him accountable.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on July 09, 2009, 02:13:08 PM
If the 2012 presidential election were held today, which of the following would you vote for, or haven’t
you thought enough about it to have an opinion?
1. Barack Obama 36% 34% (Registered voters)
2. Mitt Romney 34% 39%
3. Don’t know 30% 27%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Duke on July 09, 2009, 02:17:09 PM
Obama is down to 51% in Rassy and down to  56% in the RCP average.

Don't worry, Dems, I'm sure that Obama is as invincible as you've all told us for months.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 09, 2009, 02:19:56 PM
Obama is down to 51% in Rassy and down to  56% in the RCP average.

Don't worry, Dems, I'm sure that Obama is as invincible as you've all told us for months.

I'm not worried considering Saint Reagan was sitting at 35% in Gallup as of January 1983


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Duke on July 09, 2009, 02:23:52 PM
Obama is down to 51% in Rassy and down to  56% in the RCP average.

Don't worry, Dems, I'm sure that Obama is as invincible as you've all told us for months.

I'm not worried considering Saint Reagan was sitting at 35% in Gallup as of January 1983

Saint Reagan's won because the economy recovered in the second half of '83.  So Obama should be fine if the next election doesn't happen until 2017.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on July 09, 2009, 02:28:28 PM
Obama is down to 51% in Rassy and down to  56% in the RCP average.

Don't worry, Dems, I'm sure that Obama is as invincible as you've all told us for months.

I'm not worried considering Saint Reagan was sitting at 35% in Gallup as of January 1983

Saint Reagan's won because the economy recovered in the second half of '83.  So Obama should be fine if the next election doesn't happen until 2017.
I don't see how the economy would take that long to recover when almost every group of economists has predicted the recovery to start in 2010...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Duke on July 09, 2009, 03:53:20 PM
Obama is down to 51% in Rassy and down to  56% in the RCP average.

Don't worry, Dems, I'm sure that Obama is as invincible as you've all told us for months.

I'm not worried considering Saint Reagan was sitting at 35% in Gallup as of January 1983

Saint Reagan's won because the economy recovered in the second half of '83.  So Obama should be fine if the next election doesn't happen until 2017.
I don't see how the economy would take that long to recover when almost every group of economists has predicted the recovery to start in 2010...

The same economists who didn't see the crash coming?  The same economists who now have to admit their stimulus projections were wrong because they underestimated the recession?

And when the ysay the recession will end, they mean GDP will stop literally shrinking.  That doesn't mean they are predicting recovery.

In 1984 the economy grew at a 5.8% pace.  For 1983 it grew at a 7.7% pace.  There is nothing like that on the horizon.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on July 09, 2009, 04:51:19 PM
The same economists who didn't see the crash coming?  The same economists who now have to admit their stimulus projections were wrong because they underestimated the recession?

And when the ysay the recession will end, they mean GDP will stop literally shrinking.  That doesn't mean they are predicting recovery.

In 1984 the economy grew at a 5.8% pace.  For 1983 it grew at a 7.7% pace.  There is nothing like that on the horizon.

Well, I guess the only thing that's left to do for Obama is to appoint you next January as Bernanke's succesor.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Duke on July 09, 2009, 05:07:41 PM
The same economists who didn't see the crash coming?  The same economists who now have to admit their stimulus projections were wrong because they underestimated the recession?

And when the ysay the recession will end, they mean GDP will stop literally shrinking.  That doesn't mean they are predicting recovery.

In 1984 the economy grew at a 5.8% pace.  For 1983 it grew at a 7.7% pace.  There is nothing like that on the horizon.

Well, I guess the only thing that's left to do for Obama is to appoint you next January as Bernanke's succesor.

It wouldn't be a bad move, though I don't think Bernanke is the problem.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Duke on July 09, 2009, 05:08:17 PM
The same economists who didn't see the crash coming?  The same economists who now have to admit their stimulus projections were wrong because they underestimated the recession?

And when the ysay the recession will end, they mean GDP will stop literally shrinking.  That doesn't mean they are predicting recovery.

In 1984 the economy grew at a 5.8% pace.  For 1983 it grew at a 7.7% pace.  There is nothing like that on the horizon.

Well, I guess the only thing that's left to do for Obama is to appoint you next January as Bernanke's succesor.

Yes, I'd be a real booster for consumer confidence.

And I don't think Bernanke is the problem.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on July 09, 2009, 05:29:23 PM
The same economists who didn't see the crash coming?  The same economists who now have to admit their stimulus projections were wrong because they underestimated the recession?

And when the ysay the recession will end, they mean GDP will stop literally shrinking.  That doesn't mean they are predicting recovery.

In 1984 the economy grew at a 5.8% pace.  For 1983 it grew at a 7.7% pace.  There is nothing like that on the horizon.

Well, I guess the only thing that's left to do for Obama is to appoint you next January as Bernanke's succesor.

It wouldn't be a bad move, though I don't think Bernanke is the problem.

I like your humility.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on July 09, 2009, 05:40:27 PM

I'm pretty sure most of the 30% who didn't give an answer are Republicans, so not to worry.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 09, 2009, 05:53:10 PM
Obama is down to 51% in Rassy and down to  56% in the RCP average.

Don't worry, Dems, I'm sure that Obama is as invincible as you've all told us for months.

I'm not worried considering Saint Reagan was sitting at 35% in Gallup as of January 1983

Saint Reagan's won because the economy recovered in the second half of '83.  So Obama should be fine if the next election doesn't happen until 2017.
I don't see how the economy would take that long to recover when almost every group of economists has predicted the recovery to start in 2010...

The same economists who didn't see the crash coming?  The same economists who now have to admit their stimulus projections were wrong because they underestimated the recession?

And when they say the recession will end, they mean GDP will stop literally shrinking.  That doesn't mean they are predicting recovery.

In 1984 the economy grew at a 5.8% pace.  For 1983 it grew at a 7.7% pace.  There is nothing like that on the horizon.

I have only a BA in economics, and I saw this meltdown coming. Real estate prices can't continue to overshoot incomes indefinitely, and rip-off lending eventually wrecks borrowers so that they must scale back their consumption to the barest necessities of life after they exhaust their assets and creditors find people un-creditworthy.  The downsizing of our industrial base was certain to result in a damaging imbalance of payments with a resulting debasement of currency.

I expected this one to be far worse than the effects of the stagflation of the middle-to-late 1970s. All that would keep it from being as bad as that of 1929-1933 was New Deal reforms and Great Society programs that would prevent bank runs, ensure that retirees have some income, and that people would have the equivalent of food stamps. I just couldn't think of any means in which to take advantage of the situation.  The stagflation of the 1970s resulted from inflation in energy prices that drove the price of everything else up; this one suggests major losses of American capital.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on July 09, 2009, 06:02:29 PM
CNN Poll:

61% approve, 37% disapprove

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/07/08/rel10j.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 09, 2009, 06:04:28 PM
CNN Poll:

61% approve, 37% disapprove

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/07/08/rel10j.pdf

...*waits for a response from a Republican*...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on July 09, 2009, 06:16:35 PM
I dont think we will see unemployment fall significantly until around 2014-2015.  The problem is that you need a year of growth of around 5%-6% to significantly drop the unemployment rate and I dont see growth going higher than maybe 1%-2% in the next four years.  That wont be enough to reduce the unemployment rate. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Duke on July 09, 2009, 06:45:03 PM
CNN Poll:

61% approve, 37% disapprove

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/07/08/rel10j.pdf

...*waits for a response from a Republican*...

RCP has a CNN poll with a 61-37 approval, but it says the poll was conducted in late June.  If this is the same poll, it occurred when other polls had Obama around 60% and before the new job loss numbers.  More recent polls have Obama much lower.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 09, 2009, 06:59:52 PM

I'm pretty sure most of the 30% who didn't give an answer are Republicans, so not to worry.

That Obama should be slightly ahead of Romney in Texas even with a large number of undecided suggests that

(1) Texans don't know Romney well enough to make a decision,

(2) Romney would be in trouble in Texas in 2012 against Obama, or

(3) Huckabee would do far better than Romney in Texas.

I would have expected Romney to fare better than Huckabee in Texas.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on July 09, 2009, 08:00:56 PM

I'm pretty sure most of the 30% who didn't give an answer are Republicans, so not to worry.

That Obama should be slightly ahead of Romney in Texas even with a large number of undecided suggests that

(1) Texans don't know Romney well enough to make a decision,

(2) Romney would be in trouble in Texas in 2012 against Obama, or

(3) Huckabee would do far better than Romney in Texas.

I would have expected Romney to fare better than Huckabee in Texas.



1 is the correct answer.

Texas would definitely favour Huckabee more than Mitt Romney. Texas has a large base of evangelicals (24.4 % I believe), and it is a very conservative state with a Southern culture. Huckabee got 38% in the Texas primary, much more than Mitt Romney would have gotten even if he was still in the race.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on July 09, 2009, 08:15:40 PM
New polls today:

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Obama is slipping some -- probably because he is out of the country.



Expect to see more yellow on that map within 6 to 12 months.
And a lot more green in 18 to 24...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on July 09, 2009, 08:26:03 PM
Obama is down to 51% in Rassy and down to  56% in the RCP average.

Don't worry, Dems, I'm sure that Obama is as invincible as you've all told us for months.

I'm not worried considering Saint Reagan was sitting at 35% in Gallup as of January 1983

Saint Reagan's won because the economy recovered in the second half of '83.  So Obama should be fine if the next election doesn't happen until 2017.
I don't see how the economy would take that long to recover when almost every group of economists has predicted the recovery to start in 2010...

If those economists keep talking about how the recovery will begin next year, and then it doesn't... it makes Obama look worse than if they had said nothing at all. They're building up expectations and if those expectations aren't met, it will be the perception that it's the government's fault. Mind you, if they were wandering around, saying how things are going to get worse and the economy won't pick up for another six years or something - and then it does pick up next year... well, people will be hailing the great economic manager in the White House.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on July 09, 2009, 08:36:40 PM
New polls today:

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Obama is slipping some -- probably because he is out of the country.



Expect to see more yellow on that map within 6 to 12 months.
And a lot more green in 18 to 24...
Doubt that, Obama approval ratings are not looking too hot, not pleasing alot of people by leaving the country and not focusing on what the US needs.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 09, 2009, 08:54:04 PM
The las trip probably helped, but not this one.  We're approaching that six months mark.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Purple State on July 09, 2009, 09:02:41 PM
Obama is down to 51% in Rassy and down to  56% in the RCP average.

Don't worry, Dems, I'm sure that Obama is as invincible as you've all told us for months.

I'm not worried considering Saint Reagan was sitting at 35% in Gallup as of January 1983

Saint Reagan's won because the economy recovered in the second half of '83.  So Obama should be fine if the next election doesn't happen until 2017.
I don't see how the economy would take that long to recover when almost every group of economists has predicted the recovery to start in 2010...

The same economists who didn't see the crash coming?  The same economists who now have to admit their stimulus projections were wrong because they underestimated the recession?

No, the same economists that said that the GOP neutering of the stimulus bill would slow the recovery because Republicans underestimated the recession.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 09, 2009, 09:43:25 PM
The las trip probably helped, but not this one.  We're approaching that six months mark.

This one is even more important because the Russian leadership has more to say about whether our Korea policy works -- or doesn't -- except for the leadership of the PRC. 

Should the mad tyrant of North Korea vaporize an American city with a missile and a nuke, then President Obama's approval ratings in recent weeks won't matter; they will then fall precipitously. 38 or 62 the day before? They will be in the teens within a week.

Oh -- Obama was able to get Russia to allow American access to Afghanistan through Russia. Nice deal, likely with good effects.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 10, 2009, 12:27:47 AM
Ohio (Research 2000/DailyKos):

59% Favorable
35% Unfavorable

The Research 2000 Ohio Poll was conducted from July 6 through July 8, 2009. A total of 600 likely voters who vote regularly in state elections were interviewed statewide by telephone.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/7/8/OH/313


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 10, 2009, 12:44:23 AM
I mark 'em down, so I also mark 'em up. Same day, same state, and one pivotal in the last three Presidential elections, so I average it (Ohio):

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.... Mississippi, North Dakota, and Montana have yet to show up, and there are some old polls that I'd like to see get superseded (notably Arizona and Colorado, but also a bunch of southern states).

Note well that after Obama took a foreign junket during the 2008 campaign, his polls slipped some.  The same effect may apply this time, too.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 10, 2009, 12:46:38 AM
Michigan (EPIC-MRA/Detroit News/WXYZ):

Now, I would like to read a list of several political figures. For each one, please tell me if you recognize the name, and if you do, whether you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of that person.

Barack Obama

60% Favorable
34% Unfavorable

Jennifer Granholm

44% Favorable
52% Unfavorable

Debbie Stabenow

48% Favorable
36% Unfavorable

Overall, how would you rate the job being done by Barack Obama as President -- would you give him a positive rating of excellent or pretty good, or a negative rating of just fair or poor?

57% Positive Rating
42% Negative Rating

Overall, how would you rate the job being done by Jennifer Granholm as Michigan's Governor -- would you give her a positive rating of excellent or pretty good, or a negative rating of just fair or poor?

32% Positive Rating
66% Negative Rating

How would you rate the job being done by Debbie Stabenow as U.S. Senator -- would you give her a positive rating of excellent or pretty good, or a negative rating of just fair or poor?

40% Positive Rating
46% Negative Rating

http://www.detnews.com/article/20090709/POLITICS02/907090491


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 10, 2009, 12:52:23 AM
New Hampshire (University of NH):

61% Approve
33% Disapprove

62% Favorable
30% Unfavorable

These findings are based on the latest Granite State Poll, conducted by the University of New Hampshire Survey Center. 558 randomly selected New Hampshire adults were interviewed by telephone between June 24 and July 1, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/-4.1 percent.

http://www.unh.edu/survey-center/news/pdf/gsp2009_summer_presapp70909.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on July 10, 2009, 01:16:16 AM
tender you forgot to add texas ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Duke on July 10, 2009, 01:17:44 AM
Obama is down to 51% in Rassy and down to  56% in the RCP average.

Don't worry, Dems, I'm sure that Obama is as invincible as you've all told us for months.

I'm not worried considering Saint Reagan was sitting at 35% in Gallup as of January 1983

Saint Reagan's won because the economy recovered in the second half of '83.  So Obama should be fine if the next election doesn't happen until 2017.
I don't see how the economy would take that long to recover when almost every group of economists has predicted the recovery to start in 2010...

The same economists who didn't see the crash coming?  The same economists who now have to admit their stimulus projections were wrong because they underestimated the recession?

No, the same economists that said that the GOP neutering of the stimulus bill would slow the recovery because Republicans underestimated the recession.

It is amazing that it took only six months for the left's argument to reach this point.

The failure of Keynesianism is evidence of the need for more Keynesianism!

Your arguments have reached the point where nothing is ever falsifiable.  If your polices fail, you can always excuse the failure by saying your policies were not sufficiently pure.  You never have to re-examine your premises or think seriously about where you went wrong, you just have to shout louder.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 10, 2009, 01:19:22 AM

I´m not creating the maps ... :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on July 10, 2009, 01:20:26 AM
Ohio (Research 2000/DailyKos):

59% Favorable
35% Unfavorable

The Research 2000 Ohio Poll was conducted from July 6 through July 8, 2009. A total of 600 likely voters who vote regularly in state elections were interviewed statewide by telephone.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/7/8/OH/313

well it's from daily kos which is far left, quinnipac is more independent IMO


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on July 10, 2009, 01:29:22 AM
Ohio (Research 2000/DailyKos):

59% Favorable
35% Unfavorable

The Research 2000 Ohio Poll was conducted from July 6 through July 8, 2009. A total of 600 likely voters who vote regularly in state elections were interviewed statewide by telephone.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/7/8/OH/313

well it's from daily kos which is far left, quinnipac is more independent IMO

lol, not this again.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on July 10, 2009, 01:31:41 AM
Ohio (Research 2000/DailyKos):

59% Favorable
35% Unfavorable

The Research 2000 Ohio Poll was conducted from July 6 through July 8, 2009. A total of 600 likely voters who vote regularly in state elections were interviewed statewide by telephone.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/7/8/OH/313

well it's from daily kos which is far left, quinnipac is more independent IMO

lol, not this again.
well the average of both polls might be  the correct rate ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 10, 2009, 01:39:19 AM
Minnesota Preview
 
Tomorrow we're releasing a poll looking at how Minnesota voters view Barack Obama, Sarah Palin, and Tim Pawlenty and how Obama does in a head to head against the Republicans.

There is some good news for Republicans in the numbers, but here are a couple key points:

-Only 6% of respondents who say they approve of Obama's job performance indicated they would support Pawlenty against him- not much of a 'home field' advantage for the state's Governor.

-As for Palin, well, all I can say is Goldwater.


So let's guess:

The release will be 39% Independent, 34% Democratic and 27% Republican.

I guess Obama gets a rating of about 49-43 among MN Independents, 87-9 among Democrats and 15-78 among Republicans.

That means Obama will have a roughly 53-41 approval rating in Minnesota.

Pawlenty gets just 6% of people who approve of Obama, which is roughly 3% of his total share. Let's say he gets 90% of the people that disapprove of Obama, which is another 37%.

So, Pawlenty will have the support of 40% of Minnesota voters against Obama.

Let's say Obama gets 85% of people who approve of him (45%) and 10% of people that disapprove (4%).

Bottom line: Obama leads Pawlenty by about 49-40 in todays PPP release.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 10, 2009, 01:49:42 AM
Assessment of the likelihood of Obama winning certain states in 2012 (by sequence):

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First five for Obama: deep red   
Second ten for Obama: red
Third five for Obama: pink
Fourth two for Obama:orange
Fourth five for a generic Republican: aqua
Third five for generic Republican: light blue
Second ten for generic Republican: blue
First five for generic Republican: deep blue


All others are in white.

Obama will have to win anything in a reddish color or pale orange as well as one in white to win. The generic Republican dares not lose anything in any shade of red, orange, or white.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 10, 2009, 01:53:38 AM

The Texas poll today pitted Obama against Romney, and although it gave a slight lead to Obama, it was something like 39-36 with so many undecided (obviously!) that it is worthless even at its purpose. 

I'm surprised that so few Texas voters know about Romney.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on July 10, 2009, 01:59:45 AM

The Texas poll today pitted Obama against Romney, and although it gave a slight lead to Obama, it was something like 39-36 with so many undecided (obviously!) that it is worthless even at its purpose. 

I'm surprised that so few Texas voters know about Romney.
Job Approval / Disapproval
Gov. Perry: 42 / 32
Pres. Obama: 43 / 46



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on July 10, 2009, 02:03:00 AM
It is amazing that it took only six months for the left's argument to reach this point.

The failure of Keynesianism is evidence of the need for more Keynesianism!

Your arguments have reached the point where nothing is ever falsifiable.  If your polices fail, you can always excuse the failure by saying your policies were not sufficiently pure.  You never have to re-examine your premises or think seriously about where you went wrong, you just have to shout louder.

Why does an econimic genius like you continues to argue with some unwashed losers hanging at a politics forum?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Duke on July 10, 2009, 03:08:53 AM
It is amazing that it took only six months for the left's argument to reach this point.

The failure of Keynesianism is evidence of the need for more Keynesianism!

Your arguments have reached the point where nothing is ever falsifiable.  If your polices fail, you can always excuse the failure by saying your policies were not sufficiently pure.  You never have to re-examine your premises or think seriously about where you went wrong, you just have to shout louder.

Why does an econimic genius like you continues to argue with some unwashed losers hanging at a politics forum?

I am truly benevolent.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on July 10, 2009, 05:41:50 AM
It is amazing that it took only six months for the left's argument to reach this point.

The failure of Keynesianism is evidence of the need for more Keynesianism!

Your arguments have reached the point where nothing is ever falsifiable.  If your polices fail, you can always excuse the failure by saying your policies were not sufficiently pure.  You never have to re-examine your premises or think seriously about where you went wrong, you just have to shout louder.

Why does an econimic genius like you continues to argue with some unwashed losers hanging at a politics forum?

I am truly benevolent.


Just one of your inumerable virtues.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on July 10, 2009, 09:28:14 AM
Ford is one of the smartest posters on this forum PX. Sit down, shut up and learn something from the man. He's actually been involved in REAL politics, child.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on July 10, 2009, 11:14:38 AM
Ford is one of the smartest posters on this forum PX. Sit down, shut up and learn something from the man. He's actually been involved in REAL politics, child.

If he is all those things you say, then he doesn't need a pimp.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on July 10, 2009, 11:30:14 AM
Obama is down to 51% in Rassy and down to  56% in the RCP average.

Don't worry, Dems, I'm sure that Obama is as invincible as you've all told us for months.

I'm not worried considering Saint Reagan was sitting at 35% in Gallup as of January 1983

Saint Reagan's won because the economy recovered in the second half of '83.  So Obama should be fine if the next election doesn't happen until 2017.
I don't see how the economy would take that long to recover when almost every group of economists has predicted the recovery to start in 2010...

The same economists who didn't see the crash coming?  The same economists who now have to admit their stimulus projections were wrong because they underestimated the recession?

No, the same economists that said that the GOP neutering of the stimulus bill would slow the recovery because Republicans underestimated the recession.

It is amazing that it took only six months for the left's argument to reach this point.

The failure of Keynesianism is evidence of the need for more Keynesianism!

Your arguments have reached the point where nothing is ever falsifiable.  If your polices fail, you can always excuse the failure by saying your policies were not sufficiently pure.  You never have to re-examine your premises or think seriously about where you went wrong, you just have to shout louder.

I will gladly take Keynesian economics over supply-side theory any day of the week. Comparing the historcial performance of each, as well as the logic behind both theories, it's clear Keynes had it right and supply side is a dismal failure.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl on July 10, 2009, 11:45:55 AM
I will gladly take Keynesian economics over supply-side theory any day of the week. Comparing the historcial performance of each, as well as the logic behind both theories, it's clear Keynes had it right and supply side is a dismal failure.
As if those were the only two choices.

There is little logic behind either approach, and their reckless positions on spending and inflation are virtually the same.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on July 10, 2009, 11:51:01 AM
Here's the Minnesota poll:

Obama 51, Pawlenty 40
Obama 56, Palin 35

Obama: 54% Approve, 39% Disapprove

Pawlenty: 44% approve, 48% disapprove

Palin: 39% favorable, 53% unfavorable


http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 10, 2009, 12:05:12 PM
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/07/obama-up-big-on-pawlenty-palin.html

In case anyone wondered whether Pawlenty had any viability as a GOP nominee, then look at how he does in his own state, Minnesota, against Obama:

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Barack Obama's approval rating in Minnesota has dropped six points since April, but that doesn't mean voters are responding too positively to some of his Republican alternatives.

54% of voters in the state now give Obama good marks, with 39% saying they disapprove of his job performance. That's down from a 60/30 spread when PPP last polled it in April. Obama has maintained all of his popularity with Democrats but has seen a small drop in his support among independents and a significant one with Republicans. Where before 23% of voters in the opposing party thought he was doing a good job, now just 12% do.

Obama nevertheless fares very well when pitted in hypothetical contests against Tim Pawlenty and Sarah Palin.

Against Pawlenty Obama leads 51-40, a margin that would actually exceed what he won against John McCain in the state last fall. Pawlenty's approval has also declined since we polled the state in April, and a slight plurality now disapprove of his job performance by a margin of 48/44. Previously he had a positive 46/40 spread. Perhaps the key finding within these numbers is that only 6% of respondents who approve of Obama said they would vote for Pawlenty against him. That's not much of a home field advantage for the Governor. 

Whoops! There goes another question mark!

If Pawlenty can't do well in Minnesota, then he certainly won't pick off Wisconsin, Iowa, or Michigan for the GOP in 2012, those states being most similar to Minnesota in their political cultures -- states that the GOP will need to win if something goes wrong for the GOP in the South, like poor whites finding that they have common interests with poor black people.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 10, 2009, 12:14:51 PM
Obama is down to 51% in Rassy and down to  56% in the RCP average.

Don't worry, Dems, I'm sure that Obama is as invincible as you've all told us for months.

I'm not worried considering Saint Reagan was sitting at 35% in Gallup as of January 1983

Saint Reagan's won because the economy recovered in the second half of '83.  So Obama should be fine if the next election doesn't happen until 2017.
I don't see how the economy would take that long to recover when almost every group of economists has predicted the recovery to start in 2010...

The same economists who didn't see the crash coming?  The same economists who now have to admit their stimulus projections were wrong because they underestimated the recession?

No, the same economists that said that the GOP neutering of the stimulus bill would slow the recovery because Republicans underestimated the recession.

It is amazing that it took only six months for the left's argument to reach this point.

The failure of Keynesianism is evidence of the need for more Keynesianism!

Your arguments have reached the point where nothing is ever falsifiable.  If your polices fail, you can always excuse the failure by saying your policies were not sufficiently pure.  You never have to re-examine your premises or think seriously about where you went wrong, you just have to shout louder.

Supply-side economics has been tried for the last 28 years, and it has proved promising at first and troublesome later. Productivity increases have not resulted in improved living for most Americans, so its very premise has been proved false.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 10, 2009, 12:47:33 PM
Obama comes down to earth a bit in Minnesota:



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but has little to fear from a challenge from Pawlenty:

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I may be excessively generous to Pawlenty, whose surname will be no less exotic in the South than "Obama" in 2012 (a huge detriment), and who is likely well known in the Dakotas (except for Rapid City, the more populated areas of the two states' media come from or feed into Minnesota).

We will have a Polish-American President someday; we missed our chance with Muskie, and Pawlenty is not the one.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Duke on July 10, 2009, 05:01:23 PM
I will gladly take Keynesian economics over supply-side theory any day of the week. Comparing the historcial performance of each, as well as the logic behind both theories, it's clear Keynes had it right and supply side is a dismal failure.

Supply side has only really been tried once and it was a huge success.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 10, 2009, 05:36:42 PM
I will gladly take Keynesian economics over supply-side theory any day of the week. Comparing the historcial performance of each, as well as the logic behind both theories, it's clear Keynes had it right and supply side is a dismal failure.

Supply side has only really been tried once and it was a huge success.

The time that it worked was the 1980s, when lots of young workers (late-wave Baby Boomers)  entered the workforce who learned because of severe competition in the workplace that they would be wise to be thankful just to be able to have food in their bellies, clothes on their backs, the means of getting to work (an aging used car), and protection from the elements (some tiny apartment). Supply-side economics then rode the learning curve of young workers in rapidly-growing service and retail businesses (like fast food places). It could then be imposed with little loss of personal freedom. Poverty, sure, but tycoons and executives can always exempt themselves from its hazards.

The failure of the 1929 economy was not that it was insufficiently productive by the standards of the time.

The cruder sort of Keynesian (depression) economics can fail -- when it is done too long or in inappropriate times. If it is done in a time of inflation -- as Jimmy Carter tried to do -- it leads almost entirely to inflation. When a national economy is working at its maximum of effectiveness and unable to add desirable workers, then bigger government spending can only result in squeezing the private sector.  John Milton Keynes recognized that in the 1930s.

So let's suppose that the following conditions exist:

1. Mass unemployment exists. Where unemployment reaches double digits, competent employees who can be very productive can be found easily. With huge needs, such people will (upon getting a paycheck) spend just about everything they get. They will replace their rags with new clothes. They will celebrate with restaurant meals. They will get medical and dental care that they deferred. They will start commuting and get auto repairs. Their hard-luck relatives will start leeching off them.

2. Real interest rates are near zero -- the liquidity trap. If government simply prints more money, then people will sit on it for fear that there will be no more to come. Look at the image of the Great Depression: the people who still had money were hoarding it in the expectation of later needs, rather than enjoying what remained of the bounties of capitalism.

3. People are averse to investing -- or even maintenance -- in productive activities. Net investment (investment less depreciation) went negative at times around 1930.

4. Productive capacity is grossly under-used. Industrial plants are in mothballs, retail rentals are cheap, raw materials are plentiful. 

Deficit spending that puts people back to work in construction, iron and steel, concrete, brickmaking, lumber, coal, and probably now glass industries and landscaping effectively pays for itself in income tax and sales tax receipts -- and of course reduction in "relief" payments, some of them through the multiplier effect. Some newly-employed construction worker at a dam project or bridge buys, buys, and buys. That worker's income ends up flowing through retail stores, restaurants, apartment rents, etc.

You tell me -- does this time look more like 1930 in economic direction... or 1980?  Keynesian depression economics are relevant now as they weren't in 1980. Indeed, JMK would have told government to cut government spending and raise taxes around 1980 even if it were politically uncomfortable.
 


 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: the artist formerly known as catmusic on July 11, 2009, 03:39:02 AM
Obama comes down to earth a bit in Minnesota:



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Lol at Nevada and Florida. Whatheck is going on?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Duke on July 11, 2009, 04:23:40 AM
I don’t really want to turn this into an econ threadjack so I will not address all your points, but I do feel the need to correct the most egregious of your errors.

The time that it worked was the 1980s, when lots of young workers (late-wave Baby Boomers)  entered the workforce who learned because of severe competition in the workplace that they would be wise to be thankful just to be able to have food in their bellies, clothes on their backs, the means of getting to work (an aging used car), and protection from the elements (some tiny apartment). Supply-side economics then rode the learning curve of young workers in rapidly-growing service and retail businesses (like fast food places). It could then be imposed with little loss of personal freedom. Poverty, sure, but tycoons and executives can always exempt themselves from its hazards.

The 1980s were not a period where people got less but were happy to get it, which is how you seem to be portraying it.  Inflation and unemployment fell and GDP grew.  Actual economic indicators went in a positive direction at an impressive rate.

And poverty fell in the 1980s!  I don’t have a clue where you would get the idea that most late wave boomers were all stuck working in fast food or that the 1980s created more poor people while shielding tycoons from onrushing social decay.  The America you describe as existing in the 1980s actually has not existed for about a century.

The failure of the 1929 economy was not that it was insufficiently productive by the standards of the time.

No one said that was the cause of the crash of ’29.  In fact, my view of the crash of ’29 is quite the opposite.  The economy needed to slow down in the late ‘20s because we were in a severe bubble.

The cruder sort of Keynesian (depression) economics can fail -- when it is done too long or in inappropriate times. If it is done in a time of inflation -- as Jimmy Carter tried to do -- it leads almost entirely to inflation.

The Carter years were not an anomaly.  In fact, they are quite instructive because the Keynesians said that high unemployment and high inflation in concert were impossible (Or close to impossible).  The very fact that stagflation happened at all undercuts one of the central theses of Keynesianism: That in times of high unemployment we need not worry about inflation.  The late 1970s proved once and for all that inflation is not caused by prosperity, but rather is a primarily a monetary phenomenon.

This is very useful today.  Keynesians dismiss the events of the 1970s as an anomaly.  Then they dramatically expand the monetary base while increasing government expenditures.  They then claim that there is no threat that increasing public expenditures and growing the money supply will create inflation because there isn’t enough consumption to have inflation.  But the 1970s prove that you don’t need an overheated economy to have inflation!  When inflation has returned by the middle of next year, the Keynesians will be very surprised but the monetarists and supply-siders will not.  The reason is that Keynesians never learned the central lessons of stagflation because those lessons were too inconvenient for them.


Look at the image of the Great Depression: the people who still had money were hoarding it in the expectation of later needs, rather than enjoying what remained of the bounties of capitalism.

Wrong.  People did not hoard that much in the Great Depression.  The money supply was shrinking when the economy was shrinking.  Once FDR went partially off the Gold Standard and the money supply was allowed to grow people did, in fact, begin consuming as the supply of money increased.  When monetary policy was conducted well, it was an effective stimulus.

Deficit spending that puts people back to work in construction, iron and steel, concrete, brickmaking, lumber, coal, and probably now glass industries and landscaping effectively pays for itself in income tax and sales tax receipts -- and of course reduction in "relief" payments, some of them through the multiplier effect. Some newly-employed construction worker at a dam project or bridge buys, buys, and buys. That worker's income ends up flowing through retail stores, restaurants, apartment rents, etc.

You make the classical economist mistake: You assume that because you can design a stimulus program that will get economic activity going then that means you must be able to actually create that stimulus program in the real world.  But you can’t translate that program from the blackboard to real life.  Part of the reason for that is that politics take over and money is directed towards the politically connected and not towards things that are economically viable.  Part of the reason is that shovel ready projects aren’t shovel ready.  Part of the reason is the leaky bucket problem, where money is siphoned off in administrative costs instead of being injected straight into the economy.

And part of the problem is that central planners often just make bad decisions about where to spend money, so even when the money is spent quickly and does into the economy it often still doesn’t do any good.

You tell me -- does this time look more like 1930 in economic direction... or 1980?  Keynesian depression economics are relevant now as they weren't in 1980. Indeed, JMK would have told government to cut government spending and raise taxes around 1980 even if it were politically uncomfortable.   

Your question is irrelevant.  The issue is not our circumstances; it is the policies you are advocating.  Bad economic policies are bad economic policies.  Keynesianism doesn’t work (And it didn’t work any better in the US in the 1930s than it did in Japan in the 1990s).  It isn’t a matter of it working in some circumstances and not in others; it doesn’t work in any circumstances!  If you were advocating policies that would work in certain circumstances but not others, your comparison would be well taken.   But you are not.  You are advocating policies with a track record of perfect failure in all circumstances.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on July 11, 2009, 05:24:26 AM
I will gladly take Keynesian economics over supply-side theory any day of the week. Comparing the historcial performance of each, as well as the logic behind both theories, it's clear Keynes had it right and supply side is a dismal failure.

Supply side has only really been tried once and it was a huge success.

Double sigh.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on July 11, 2009, 05:16:46 PM
I fail to see how supply-side is really that different from Keynesian economics, at least in its 1980s incarnation.  In fact, I would argue that supply-side tactics is the only thing that has kept Keynesian-style economics from collapsing under its own weight as long as it has.

Also, any declines in Obama's approval that are occurring (and yes there has been a material one over the past couple of weeks) are because of the economy.  Everything else is pretty much irrelevant and will be irrelevant unless it is really, really major.

There are three material points that Obama's approval has to fall through before we can say "he is in danger".  I believe that we're either touching or very close to #1 right now.  And the regression line is not looking great for now (though that's not terribly surprising)

The first is his 2008 % of vote = 53%.  It's probably slightly higher in adult poll incarnations = 55% or so.

The second is following below the 50% level, but only in adult polls.  It is very hard to get a wave to occur until the incumbent party falls below this point and with Republican's current ratings, I don't think it'll happen here.

The third is the point where disapproval is greater than approval in adult polls.  If and when Obama reaches this point - we will have a different paradigm.  We're not there yet and if it happens, it will be a while. (you have to go through the other two first, you know, and there's always support at those levels)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 11, 2009, 11:09:24 PM
I don’t really want to turn this into an econ threadjack so I will not address all your points, but I do feel the need to correct the most egregious of your errors.

The time that it worked was the 1980s, when lots of young workers (late-wave Baby Boomers)  entered the workforce who learned because of severe competition in the workplace that they would be wise to be thankful just to be able to have food in their bellies, clothes on their backs, the means of getting to work (an aging used car), and protection from the elements (some tiny apartment). Supply-side economics then rode the learning curve of young workers in rapidly-growing service and retail businesses (like fast food places). It could then be imposed with little loss of personal freedom. Poverty, sure, but tycoons and executives can always exempt themselves from its hazards.

The 1980s were not a period where people got less but were happy to get it, which is how you seem to be portraying it.  Inflation and unemployment fell and GDP grew.  Actual economic indicators went in a positive direction at an impressive rate.

And poverty fell in the 1980s!  I don’t have a clue where you would get the idea that most late wave boomers were all stuck working in fast food or that the 1980s created more poor people while shielding tycoons from onrushing social decay.  The America you describe as existing in the 1980s actually has not existed for about a century.

Of course the economic misery that many young workers found to their surprise (I got a college degree and I am working for the minimum wage!) generally did not last long for individuals.  Many learned something from their low-wage job, such as marketable skills more lucratively rewarded elsewhere. Many were stranded for a few months in fast food, retail sales, and cleaning work.

The failure of the 1929 economy was not that it was insufficiently productive by the standards of the time.

No one said that was the cause of the crash of ’29.  In fact, my view of the crash of ’29 is quite the opposite.  The economy needed to slow down in the late ‘20s because we were in a severe bubble.

The cruder sort of Keynesian (depression) economics can fail -- when it is done too long or in inappropriate times. If it is done in a time of inflation -- as Jimmy Carter tried to do -- it leads almost entirely to inflation.

The Carter years were not an anomaly.  In fact, they are quite instructive because the Keynesians said that high unemployment and high inflation in concert were impossible (Or close to impossible).  The very fact that stagflation happened at all undercuts one of the central theses of Keynesianism: That in times of high unemployment we need not worry about inflation.  The late 1970s proved once and for all that inflation is not caused by prosperity, but rather is a primarily a monetary phenomenon.

This is very useful today.  Keynesians dismiss the events of the 1970s as an anomaly.  Then they dramatically expand the monetary base while increasing government expenditures.  They then claim that there is no threat that increasing public expenditures and growing the money supply will create inflation because there isn’t enough consumption to have inflation.  But the 1970s prove that you don’t need an overheated economy to have inflation!  When inflation has returned by the middle of next year, the Keynesians will be very surprised but the monetarists and supply-siders will not.  The reason is that Keynesians never learned the central lessons of stagflation because those lessons were too inconvenient for them.[/quote]

Reason: once-low fuel prices skyrocketed. Until the 1970s the US produced the oil that it needed for fuel; then it became a net importer. If a major component of both productive activities and consumer costs gets more expensive, then one can have both reduced economic activity and rising prices. Few could have predicted that -- monetarists, supply-siders, or monetarists. Until 2007 the highest real cost of petroleum was to be found in the early 1980s.   

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Look at the image of the Great Depression: the people who still had money were hoarding it in the expectation of later needs, rather than enjoying what remained of the bounties of capitalism.

Wrong.  People did not hoard that much in the Great Depression.  The money supply was shrinking when the economy was shrinking.  Once FDR went partially off the Gold Standard and the money supply was allowed to grow people did, in fact, begin consuming as the supply of money increased.  When monetary policy was conducted well, it was an effective stimulus.
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After, of course, efforts to stimulate the economy through government spending. But getting America off the gold standard violates monetarist principals.

Deficit spending that puts people back to work in construction, iron and steel, concrete, brickmaking, lumber, coal, and probably now glass industries and landscaping effectively pays for itself in income tax and sales tax receipts -- and of course reduction in "relief" payments, some of them through the multiplier effect. Some newly-employed construction worker at a dam project or bridge buys, buys, and buys. That worker's income ends up flowing through retail stores, restaurants, apartment rents, etc.

You make the classical economist mistake: You assume that because you can design a stimulus program that will get economic activity going then that means you must be able to actually create that stimulus program in the real world.  But you can’t translate that program from the blackboard to real life.  Part of the reason for that is that politics take over and money is directed towards the politically connected and not towards things that are economically viable.  Part of the reason is that shovel ready projects aren’t shovel ready.  Part of the reason is the leaky bucket problem, where money is siphoned off in administrative costs instead of being injected straight into the economy.

And part of the problem is that central planners often just make bad decisions about where to spend money, so even when the money is spent quickly and does into the economy it often still doesn’t do any good.


Central planning? Who is asking for central planning? Such aid as business has been getting has been thrown heavily at those culpable of the mess (banks far more than the auto industry). I'd have let the giant banks that got us into this mess fail; banking used to be a cottage industry, and it worked far better for all when it was "Bailey Savings and Loan" instead of "First International Megabank" (Citibank/Wells Fargo/Bank of America/Chase/SunTrust/PNC...) The auto industry? The Big 3 hardly misbehaved so badly, and got burned by the failure of the banking system.

The fault in 1929 as in 2007 -- the ends of corrupt booms based on enrichment of the "right people" (the wealthy, politically-connected) -- was that the people who did the work were terribly underpaid. Such wealth as the economy created tended to go into speculation -- securities in the 1920s and real estate a few years ago. Productivity gains outpaced wages, an unstable situation. Debt burgeoned, and as it outpaced wages, the economic order became a pyramid game in its last stage. Even the political orders of the Harding-Coolidge and Dubya eras were remarkably similar in their unconstrained belief in the concentration of economic power as the cornerstone of some super-prosperity that would make all questions of inequity irrelevant.

The Meltdown of 1929-1933 was the realization that all of the supposed economic gains of the Roaring 'Twenties were a sham. America receded to levels of GDP per capita not known since about 1908. We are going to see much the same as what we thought were assets are either debt that nobody can ever pay off or empty shells that sucked wealth into dubious investments. We may be back to 1950s levels of economic activity faster than we think.   

Of course we have a lack of shovel-ready projects other than repairs. Such an activity as highway construction requires engineering plans, efforts to find politically-feasible routes, and often land acquisition, both of which take time. Supertrains? They are at least as expensive as superhighways and have much the same problems.

Among the administrative costs is engineering cost. Engineering cost is an early cost.  After that comes surveying.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Duke on July 12, 2009, 12:06:43 AM
Fix you quote boxes, please.

And the infaltion of the 1970s wasn't due only to energy prices.  It was due to a large expansion of the money supply.  We had price spikes in '73 and '79, but inflation was a problem from '68-'82.  The inflation was persistent.  Was it worse during the energy price spikes?  Yes, energy exacerbated the problem.  But it is, by itself, an incomplete explanation.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 12, 2009, 12:20:38 AM
Obama comes down to earth a bit in Minnesota:



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Lol at Nevada and Florida. Whatheck is going on?

Housing bust hitting a swing state puts states to Obama by wider margins then he should have won them, especially NV. Housing continues to bust and guess what Obama hasn't solved the problem yet. Even if condiditions stay the same Obama's approvals will drop in the hardest hit areas first and it will show up in the swing states first like NV and FL. The only way the trends top is for things to improve and we are far away from that at this point.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 12, 2009, 01:57:10 AM
Obama comes down to earth a bit in Minnesota:



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Lol at Nevada and Florida. Whatheck is going on?

Housing bust hitting a swing state puts states to Obama by wider margins then he should have won them, especially NV. Housing continues to bust and guess what Obama hasn't solved the problem yet. Even if condiditions stay the same Obama's approvals will drop in the hardest hit areas first and it will show up in the swing states first like NV and FL. The only way the trends top is for things to improve and we are far away from that at this point.

The other side of the coin is that Obama seems to be doing surprisingly well in the Plains states and the  Southeast (FL and NC excepted) -- in places in which he was absolutely crushed in the election. It could be that the more agrarian states have been hurt less, and that there was no corrupt housing boom in places like Tennessee and Arkansas. 

I figure that the recent Lyceum poll in Texas is an outlier, but if Texas is nearly-even, then that suggests big trouble for the GOP. It is consistent with an even-approval rating in Kansas at the least. It could be that the states that voted decisively for McCain were in better economic shape than the others, and that good times favor the incumbent Party and bad times the other.

I see no quick fix to the housing devaluation. Major reforms of the banking industry, including quite possibly the break-up of the giant banking trusts, must take place before there can be any new big lending.  Even the prosecution of culpable people will do more to sate transitory anger than to solve the mess.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 13, 2009, 02:25:56 PM
Interesting similarity:

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In the first half of May, even Rasmussen had Obama at about 58-40 approval.

Does the increase in positive feelings about the state of the nation also lift Obama's approvals ?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 14, 2009, 12:13:50 AM
CBS News:

57% Approve
32% Disapprove

This poll was conducted among a random sample of 944 adults nationwide, interviewed by telephone July 9-12, 2009. Phone numbers were dialed from samples of both standard land-line and cell phones. The error due to sampling for results based on the entire sample could be plus or minus three percentage points. The error for subgroups is higher. This poll release conforms to the Standards of Disclosure of the National Council on Public Polls.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_Obama_071309.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on July 14, 2009, 01:32:45 AM
CBS News:

57% Approve
32% Disapprove

This poll was conducted among a random sample of 944 adults nationwide, interviewed by telephone July 9-12, 2009. Phone numbers were dialed from samples of both standard land-line and cell phones. The error due to sampling for results based on the entire sample could be plus or minus three percentage points. The error for subgroups is higher. This poll release conforms to the Standards of Disclosure of the National Council on Public Polls.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_Obama_071309.pdf

CBS, washington polls  and NBC polls are always hack even Fox polls are pro democrats in the rates don't trust that sh**t ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 14, 2009, 01:43:19 AM
CBS News:

57% Approve
32% Disapprove

This poll was conducted among a random sample of 944 adults nationwide, interviewed by telephone July 9-12, 2009. Phone numbers were dialed from samples of both standard land-line and cell phones. The error due to sampling for results based on the entire sample could be plus or minus three percentage points. The error for subgroups is higher. This poll release conforms to the Standards of Disclosure of the National Council on Public Polls.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_Obama_071309.pdf

CBS, washington polls  and NBC polls are always hack even Fox polls are pro democrats in the rates don't trust that sh**t ...

The poll is not really different than what Gallup showed between July 9-12 ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on July 14, 2009, 03:14:56 AM
CBS News:

57% Approve
32% Disapprove

This poll was conducted among a random sample of 944 adults nationwide, interviewed by telephone July 9-12, 2009. Phone numbers were dialed from samples of both standard land-line and cell phones. The error due to sampling for results based on the entire sample could be plus or minus three percentage points. The error for subgroups is higher. This poll release conforms to the Standards of Disclosure of the National Council on Public Polls.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_Obama_071309.pdf

CBS, washington polls  and NBC polls are always hack even Fox polls are pro democrats in the rates don't trust that sh**t ...

YARRGHH!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on July 14, 2009, 05:58:11 AM
I'm just disappointed how they weight their polls by party ID the way they do. They actually found 27% of people identifying as Republicans, but they weighted it down to 23%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 14, 2009, 02:30:14 PM
New Jersey (Quinnipiac University):

Registered Voters

61% Approve
33% Disapprove

Likely Voters

60% Approve
34% Disapprove

From July 8 - 12, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,514 New Jersey likely voters, with a margin of error of +/- 2.5 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1348


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Mikado on July 14, 2009, 03:07:07 PM
CBS News:

57% Approve
32% Disapprove

This poll was conducted among a random sample of 944 adults nationwide, interviewed by telephone July 9-12, 2009. Phone numbers were dialed from samples of both standard land-line and cell phones. The error due to sampling for results based on the entire sample could be plus or minus three percentage points. The error for subgroups is higher. This poll release conforms to the Standards of Disclosure of the National Council on Public Polls.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_Obama_071309.pdf

Isn't 11% a bit high for undecided/not sure on a presidential job approval poll?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on July 15, 2009, 02:59:38 AM
CBS News:

57% Approve
32% Disapprove

This poll was conducted among a random sample of 944 adults nationwide, interviewed by telephone July 9-12, 2009. Phone numbers were dialed from samples of both standard land-line and cell phones. The error due to sampling for results based on the entire sample could be plus or minus three percentage points. The error for subgroups is higher. This poll release conforms to the Standards of Disclosure of the National Council on Public Polls.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_Obama_071309.pdf

Isn't 11% a bit high for undecided/not sure on a presidential job approval poll?

CBS is just pretty bad in general, so I wouldn't pay too much attention to this poll. They are also known for their always high amount of undecideds.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 15, 2009, 01:10:50 PM
Virginia (Rasmussen):

51% Approve
48% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Virginia was conducted by Rasmussen Reports July 14, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2009/virginia/toplines/toplines_virginia_governor_election_july_14_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on July 15, 2009, 02:13:20 PM
Gallup poll for the week ending July 12th

58% approve, 34% disapprove

Male: 54% approve
Female: 62% approve

Dems: 90% approve
Reps: 20% approve
Indeps: 56% approve

18-29: 70% approve
30-49: 58% approve
50-64: 57% approve
65+: 52% approve

White: 51% approve
Black: 91% approve
Hispanic: 75% approve

http://www.gallup.com/poll/politics.aspx?CSTS=wwwsitemap&to=POLL-PoliticsNews


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 15, 2009, 02:22:27 PM
North Carolina (PPP):

49% Approve
44% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 767 North Carolina voters from July 10th to 12th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-3.5%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_715.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 15, 2009, 04:49:21 PM

Obama comes down to earth in North Carolina:



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Let's see what happens after he's back in the USA for a few days when he can address American audiences. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on July 15, 2009, 05:28:09 PM
Really? Really? Still using the "his approvals drop only because he left the country" theory?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on July 15, 2009, 06:01:58 PM
Really? Really? Still using the "his approvals drop only because he left the country" theory?
This is actually partially true. The image of Obama touring the world, instead of focusing on domestic issues probably has hurt him. If he makes a few grandiose speeches on economic policy and the direction of the country his approval should bump up a little.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on July 15, 2009, 06:17:06 PM
Virginia (Rasmussen):

51% Approve
48% Disapprove

:'(


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: exopolitician on July 15, 2009, 07:10:30 PM

Hell I'm surprised he's still favored positively here at all.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on July 15, 2009, 07:17:31 PM
Diaego Hotline Poll

Approve 56%
Disapprove 38%

http://www.diageohotlinepoll.com/documents/diageohotlinepoll/FDDiageoHotlinePollJulyRelease_071509.pdf

New York, July 15, 2009 – The Diageo/Hotline Poll of 800 U.S. registered voters conducted
by FD from July 9-13, 2009, finds that the percentage of American voters who approve of the
job President Obama is doing has dropped nine points to 56%. The previous Diageo/ Hotline
Poll, conducted from June 4-7, found that 65% of voters approved of the job he was doing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on July 16, 2009, 07:02:36 AM

Obama comes down to earth in North Carolina:



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Let's see what happens after he's back in the USA for a few days when he can address American audiences. 


Sorry but texas is in yellow ...
http://www.utexas.edu/news/2009/07/09/government_texas_poll/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 16, 2009, 10:04:42 AM

Sorry but texas is in yellow ...
http://www.utexas.edu/news/2009/07/09/government_texas_poll/

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... and still close. I thought that the Lyceum poll was an outlier.

Face it: if Obama is close in Texas in 2012, the GOP nominee is in deep trouble. I can think of at least one of whom many now tout as a likely challenger for the nomination (Barbour) who would probably lose.  Gingrich probably also loses Texas.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on July 16, 2009, 10:13:34 AM

Sorry but texas is in yellow ...
http://www.utexas.edu/news/2009/07/09/government_texas_poll/


Obama comes down to earth in North Carolina:



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... and still close. I thought that the Lyceum poll was an outlier.

Face it: if Obama is close in Texas in 2012, the GOP nominee is in deep trouble. I can think of at least one of whom many now tout as a likely challenger for the nomination (Barbour) who would probably lose. 


this map must be independent not partisan. ANd BTW the matchup was against Romney who has -at the moment- no appeal in texas. If it was against Huckabee it might be between +5 and +10 for huckabee ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on July 16, 2009, 12:00:52 PM

Why?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 16, 2009, 11:56:14 PM
New York (Rasmussen):

63% Approve
37% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 800 Likely Voters in New York was conducted by Rasmussen Reports July 14, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/new_york/toplines_2010_new_york_governor_race_july_14_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 17, 2009, 12:17:40 AM
New Jersey (Monmouth University):

Registered Voters (792 RV):

59% Approve
29% Disapprove

Likely Voters (527 LV):

56% Approve
34% Disapprove

The Monmouth University/Gannett New Jersey Poll was conducted and analyzed by the Monmouth University Polling Institute research staff. The telephone interviews were collected by Braun Research on July 9-14, 2009 with a statewide random sample of 792 registered voters. For results based on this sample, one can say with 95% confidence that the error attributable to sampling has a maximum margin of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

http://www.monmouth.edu/polling/admin/polls/MUP26_1.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 17, 2009, 06:07:37 AM
New Hampshire (R2000/DailyKos):

62% Favorable
30% Unfavorable

The Research 2000 New Hampshire Poll was conducted by Research 2000 of Rockville, Maryland from July 13 through July 15, 2009. A total of 600 likely voters who vote regularly in state elections were interviewed statewide by telephone.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/7/15/NH/319


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on July 17, 2009, 07:51:34 AM
from diageo's poll:

Looking ahead to 2012, if the presidential election were held today, would you
vote to reelect Barack Obama or would you like to see someone else become President?

Definitely Re-elect Obama 31%
Probably Re-elect Obama 12%
TOTAL RE-ELECT 43%
Probably Someone 6%
Definitely Someone 33%
TOTAL SOMEONE  39%
Too early to decide 13%
Don’t Know / Refused 6%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 17, 2009, 08:10:39 AM
from diageo's poll:

Looking ahead to 2012, if the presidential election were held today, would you
vote to reelect Barack Obama or would you like to see someone else become President?

Definitely Re-elect Obama 31%
Probably Re-elect Obama 12%
TOTAL RE-ELECT 43%
Probably Someone 6%
Definitely Someone 33%
TOTAL SOMEONE  39%
Too early to decide 13%
Don’t Know / Refused 6%


Too early to decide 13%

Hmm.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on July 17, 2009, 11:33:41 AM
Isn't Diageo a joke polling firm?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 17, 2009, 11:47:34 AM

No. Their final poll on Nov. 3 had it 50-45 for Obama and they got the Congress about right.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on July 17, 2009, 11:55:07 AM
His approval ratings are looking good in the Northeast.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on July 17, 2009, 12:41:59 PM
According to Rasmussen, who got the '08 election correct, Obama has a 52% Approval, 47% Disapproval rating. But this is likely voters, all adults give him a higher rating.

Also, more people strongly disapprove then strongly approve of him, acccording to the poll.

On a side note, it says Bob McDonnell has a very narrow lead over Creigh Deeds.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

EDIT, it also says the GOP leads on the Generic Congressional Ballot, 40%-37%






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on July 17, 2009, 02:35:19 PM
His approval ratings are looking good in the Northeast.

Given the New Jersey polls over the last few months and trying to excuse personal observation, I would say he is late 50's here, with the likely voter support in the mid 50s. NJ got hit hard, economically, with Corzine not helping matters, so that is pretty much why he isn't in the 60's.

I don't think his approvals will get much lower here, aside from further economic troubles or something blowing up in Obama's face. It will probably rebound, even.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on July 17, 2009, 03:57:17 PM
According to Rasmussen, who got the '08 election correct, Obama has a 52% Approval, 47% Disapproval rating. But this is likely voters, all adults give him a higher rating.

Also, more people strongly disapprove then strongly approve of him, acccording to the poll.

On a side note, it says Bob McDonnell has a very narrow lead over Creigh Deeds.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

EDIT, it also says the GOP leads on the Generic Congressional Ballot, 40%-37%

Well see, now you've given Ford one poll to cling onto above all others and beat everyone over the head with. What have you done?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ronnie on July 18, 2009, 11:35:10 AM
I'd say his approval rating is in between the Gallup and Rasmussen numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on July 18, 2009, 11:03:31 PM
I'd say his approval rating is in between the Gallup and Rasmussen numbers.

Cop out answer :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on July 18, 2009, 11:11:41 PM
I'd say his approval rating is in between the Gallup and Rasmussen numbers.

Yeah, i'd agree with that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on July 18, 2009, 11:15:30 PM
I'd say his approval rating is in between the Gallup and Rasmussen numbers.

Yeah, i'd agree with that.

Thirded, but that isn't exactly a surprise.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on July 18, 2009, 11:40:34 PM
I say his approvals will be between 0% and 100%...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on July 19, 2009, 05:07:17 AM
I say his approvals will be between 0% and 100%...

I'm sorry. -3. We were looking for -3. :p


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on July 19, 2009, 05:11:37 AM
I say his approvals will be between 0% and 100%...

I think you are too quick to discount the possibility that every single person in America approves/disapproves.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 19, 2009, 08:37:18 AM
Rasmussen today:

51% Approve
49% Disapprove

Gallup yesterday:

60% Approve
33% Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on July 19, 2009, 08:53:46 AM
Gallup is showing higher than just about everyone else. They are the highest on the current RCP by 3 points.

Ras numbers are LV, so that's why they are low. The disapproval rating is higher from the machine polling, as well. I know it's been said before, but for some reason people keep forgetting.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 19, 2009, 09:10:55 AM
Plus: A new Mason-Dickson Nevada poll of 400 RV will be out in the next few days ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 19, 2009, 11:02:45 AM
Plus: A new Mason-Dickson Nevada poll of 400 RV will be out in the next few days ...

YAY for joke polling.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ronnie on July 19, 2009, 11:49:29 AM
Gallup is showing higher than just about everyone else. They are the highest on the current RCP by 3 points.

Ras numbers are LV, so that's why they are low. The disapproval rating is higher from the machine polling, as well. I know it's been said before, but for some reason people keep forgetting.

51-49 seems way too low for Obama's approval rating.  I'd say it's around 55-45 right but that's probably a very inaccurate guess on my part.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 19, 2009, 01:03:36 PM
Gallup is showing higher than just about everyone else. They are the highest on the current RCP by 3 points.

Ras numbers are LV, so that's why they are low. The disapproval rating is higher from the machine polling, as well. I know it's been said before, but for some reason people keep forgetting.

51-49 seems way too low for Obama's approval rating.  I'd say it's around 55-45 right but that's probably a very inaccurate guess on my part.

Rasmussen is good in his election polling, but I'm not so sure about his approval ratings considering the strongly disapprove rating for Bush hovered around 45%, while exit polls showed Bush's approvals significantly lower than those of Rasmussen, so perhaps Obama's disapprovals are too high. Interestingly, his strongly disapproval rating about matches Bush's overall approval rating (post-Katrina, when they really began to hit the tank) so perhaps it's those who remained steadfastly supportive of Bush, who are most hostile to the president


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on July 19, 2009, 01:27:39 PM
Gallup is showing higher than just about everyone else. They are the highest on the current RCP by 3 points.

Ras numbers are LV, so that's why they are low. The disapproval rating is higher from the machine polling, as well. I know it's been said before, but for some reason people keep forgetting.

51-49 seems way too low for Obama's approval rating.  I'd say it's around 55-45 right but that's probably a very inaccurate guess on my part.

Rasmussen is good in his election polling, but I'm not so sure about his approval ratings considering the strongly disapprove rating for Bush hovered around 45%, while exit polls showed Bush's approvals significantly lower than those of Rasmussen, so perhaps Obama's disapprovals are too high. Interestingly, his strongly disapproval rating about matches Bush's overall approval rating (post-Katrina, when they really began to hit the tank) so perhaps it's those who remained steadfastly supportive of Bush, who are most hostile to the president

Nope. The ones mostly against him are the ones who think Bush was not much different, in the end.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on July 19, 2009, 07:13:34 PM
If that's the case, then it's time for a 3rd party or independent candidate to run.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 19, 2009, 11:53:32 PM
Washington Post/ABC News Poll:

59% Approve (D: 90, I: 58, R: 20)
37% Disapprove

And views of Obama as a “tax-and-spend Democrat” – the perception that dogged Bill Clinton in his early days – have gained 11 points since March.

More than Clinton, though, Obama is following the early course charted by Ronald Reagan, the last president to take office in the teeth of a recession. Reagan’s job approval rating fell to 57 percent near his six-month mark; Obama’s is nearly the same, 59 percent in this ABC News/Washington Post poll, down 10 points from his springtime peak.

The bigger concern for Obama is what came next: Reagan weakened further as the economy struggled, bottoming out at 48 percent approval after his first year in office and 42 percent at the end of his second year, shortly after unemployment hit 10.8 percent, its highest since the 1940s. It’s 9.5 percent now.

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METHODOLOGY – This ABC News/Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone July 15-18, 2009, among a random national sample of 1,001 adults, including landline and cell-phone-only respondents. Results for the full sample have a 3.5-point error margin.

http://abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/1092a1ObamaatSixMonths.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 20, 2009, 12:09:37 AM
SurveyUSA's monthly "adult" state polls will be released in the coming days, because they are usually conducted in the middle of each month.

It's very good that we have 2 "adult" national polls out (WaPo and Gallup), which show similar results (average of 59-35 between July 15-18), giving us a good baseline to compare the SUSA state polls with the national results.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on July 20, 2009, 12:11:58 AM
Plus: A new Mason-Dickson Nevada poll of 400 RV will be out in the next few days ...

YAY for joke polling.

God, the days when that would have been blasphemy... :(


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 20, 2009, 09:05:52 AM

gets even lower:

50% Approve
49% Disapprove

"The President earns approval from 41% of white voters, 97% of black voters, and 58% of all other voters."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 20, 2009, 09:15:46 AM

gets even lower:

50% Approve
49% Disapprove

"The President earns approval from 41% of white voters, 97% of black voters, and 58% of all other voters."

Net negative before the weeks out, but that goes without saying I guess.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on July 20, 2009, 01:24:01 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/minnesota/toplines/toplines_minnesota_july_15_2009
Obama:
F-47
U-46


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on July 20, 2009, 01:33:28 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/minnesota/toplines/toplines_minnesota_july_15_2009
Obama:
F-47
U-46

No where on that link does it have the question of Obama's approval rating.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 20, 2009, 01:45:10 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/minnesota/toplines/toplines_minnesota_july_15_2009
Obama:
F-47
U-46

8* Generally speaking, do you strongly favor, somewhat favor, somewhat oppose or strongly oppose the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and the congressional Democrats?

28% Strongly favor
19% Somewhat favor
11% Somewhat oppose
35% Strongly oppose
6% Not sure



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on July 20, 2009, 04:32:07 PM
Gallup tracking: 61% approve

USA Today/Gallup poll: 55% approve

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-07-20-obama-poll-economy_N.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-07-20-obama-poll-economy_N.htm)



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 20, 2009, 05:23:36 PM
Gallup tracking: 61% approve

USA Today/Gallup poll: 55% approve

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-07-20-obama-poll-economy_N.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-07-20-obama-poll-economy_N.htm)



Silly question, but how can a poll show two different results from the same company...?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 20, 2009, 05:25:58 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/minnesota/toplines/toplines_minnesota_july_15_2009
Obama:
F-47
U-46

No where on that link does it have the question of Obama's approval rating.

It's specifically on his health care proposals. Obama has a huge selling job to do.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 20, 2009, 07:38:42 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/minnesota/toplines/toplines_minnesota_july_15_2009
Obama:
F-47
U-46

No where on that link does it have the question of Obama's approval rating.

It's specifically on his health care proposals. Obama has a huge selling job to do.

Agreed. First, he needs to forge a consensus among Democrats. No wonder confidence is slipping, if they cannot so much as form a group of two ::). Republicans, no doubt, will be scratching around somewhere in that dogma of theirs but, all the while health care costs were rising, emaciating the middle class and having a detrimental impact on economic growth and job creation, I don't recall them doing anything about it. Nero fiddled while Rome burned, but the Republicans only snored

Still maybe the president is pushing the ideological comfort zone - and conservatives are spinning what is pragmatically center-left as radical left - but that is leadership :). Any Tom, Dick or George the Inept can cut taxes, that's as easy as pie but raising them, however, modestly, to - shock horror - pay for what is needed takes bottle

The primary role of government is the welfare, and the national security, of its people - and it doesn't run on fresh air

I'll be honest bipartisanship looks and sounds good - and it can be good :) - but I have sore misgivings as to whether Republicans are any more rational than they were when Bush the Inept was running the show. It infuriates me the state of things he broke his neck to bequeath

Hell, to think that I was looking forward to quiet life once Obama was elected. So much for the post-ideological era. It won't work when only one side is looking for solutions while the other lot seem to be doing their damdest to encapsulate Einstein's definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over, yet expecting different results


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on July 20, 2009, 09:06:53 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/minnesota/toplines/toplines_minnesota_july_15_2009
Obama:
F-47
U-46

No where on that link does it have the question of Obama's approval rating.

It's specifically on his health care proposals. Obama has a huge selling job to do.

Agreed. First, he needs to forge a consensus among Democrats. No wonder confidence is slipping, if they cannot so much as form a group of two ::). Republicans, no doubt, will be scratching around somewhere in that dogma of theirs but, all the while health care costs were rising, emaciating the middle class and having a detrimental impact on economic growth and job creation, I don't recall them doing anything about it. Nero fiddled while Rome burned, but the Republicans only snored

Still maybe the president is pushing the ideological comfort zone - and conservatives are spinning what is pragmatically center-left as radical left - but that is leadership :). Any Tom, Dick or George the Inept can cut taxes, that's as easy as pie but raising them, however, modestly, to - shock horror - pay for what is needed takes bottle

The primary role of government is the welfare, and the national security, of its people - and it doesn't run on fresh air

I'll be honest bipartisanship looks and sounds good - and it can be good :) - but I have sore misgivings as to whether Republicans are any more rational than they were when Bush the Inept was running the show. It infuriates me the state of things he broke his neck to bequeath

Hell, to think that I was looking forward to quiet life once Obama was elected. So much for the post-ideological era. It won't work when only one side is looking for solutions while the other lot seem to be doing their damdest to encapsulate Einstein's definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over, yet expecting different results

Hopefully the Republicans will be more like the Gingrich congress.

The problem Obama has is not selling universal coverage, people of all political views agree on that, but controlling costs. So far, he has yet to convince anybody that the health care bill will lower the rising cost of health care. Add the enormous budget deficit, and Obama is going to have a very hard time getting this legislation passed.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 21, 2009, 12:05:33 AM
Gallup tracking: 61% approve

USA Today/Gallup poll: 55% approve

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-07-20-obama-poll-economy_N.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-07-20-obama-poll-economy_N.htm)

Silly question, but how can a poll show two different results from the same company...?

That has been the case before. The difference is probably due to different sample size and something that is called the Margin of Error.

The Tracking Poll has roughly 520 interviews each day.

This USAToday poll has roughly 340 interviews each day.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 21, 2009, 12:08:01 AM
Texas (Rasmussen):

47% Approve
51% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 1,000 Likely Voters in Texas was conducted by Rasmussen Reports July 15, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/texas/toplines/toplines_texas_july_15_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 21, 2009, 12:09:39 AM
That's rather good for Obama in Texas, because Rasmussen had Obama at 51/52% approval nationally on July 15. Only 4-5% less compared with the nation is a nice showing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 21, 2009, 12:36:07 AM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/minnesota/toplines/toplines_minnesota_july_15_2009
Obama:
F-47
U-46

The actual (partial) approval ratings for Obama in MN are:

38% Strongly Approve
35% Strongly Disapprove

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/news/politics/Rasmussen_Poll_Shows_Party_Polarization_Over_Elected_Officials_july_20_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on July 21, 2009, 01:10:15 AM
That's rather good for Obama in Texas, because Rasmussen had Obama at 51/52% approval nationally on July 15. Only 4-5% less compared with the nation is a nice showing.

That really doesn't square with his national polling at all. Whatever.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 21, 2009, 01:45:31 AM
The 47-51 in Texas looks more ominous for Obama than it is, but such are the rules:


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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on July 21, 2009, 02:01:43 AM
The 47-51 in Texas looks more ominous for Obama than it is, but such are the rules:


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So, Florida disapproves of Obama while Utah approves? That's interesting.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: the artist formerly known as catmusic on July 21, 2009, 02:31:37 AM
The 47-51 in Texas looks more ominous for Obama than it is, but such are the rules:


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So, Florida disapproves of Obama while Utah approves? That's interesting.

And whatheck is up with NV? Holy crap don't tell me its gonna go republican!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 21, 2009, 08:24:30 AM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/minnesota/toplines/toplines_minnesota_july_15_2009
Obama:
F-47
U-46

No where on that link does it have the question of Obama's approval rating.

It's specifically on his health care proposals. Obama has a huge selling job to do.

Agreed. First, he needs to forge a consensus among Democrats. No wonder confidence is slipping, if they cannot so much as form a group of two ::). Republicans, no doubt, will be scratching around somewhere in that dogma of theirs but, all the while health care costs were rising, emaciating the middle class and having a detrimental impact on economic growth and job creation, I don't recall them doing anything about it. Nero fiddled while Rome burned, but the Republicans only snored

Still maybe the president is pushing the ideological comfort zone - and conservatives are spinning what is pragmatically center-left as radical left - but that is leadership :). Any Tom, Dick or George the Inept can cut taxes, that's as easy as pie but raising them, however, modestly, to - shock horror - pay for what is needed takes bottle

The primary role of government is the welfare, and the national security, of its people - and it doesn't run on fresh air

I'll be honest bipartisanship looks and sounds good - and it can be good :) - but I have sore misgivings as to whether Republicans are any more rational than they were when Bush the Inept was running the show. It infuriates me the state of things he broke his neck to bequeath

Hell, to think that I was looking forward to quiet life once Obama was elected. So much for the post-ideological era. It won't work when only one side is looking for solutions while the other lot seem to be doing their damdest to encapsulate Einstein's definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over, yet expecting different results

Hopefully the Republicans will be more like the Gingrich congress.

The problem Obama has is not selling universal coverage, people of all political views agree on that, but controlling costs. So far, he has yet to convince anybody that the health care bill will lower the rising cost of health care. Add the enormous budget deficit, and Obama is going to have a very hard time getting this legislation passed.

The deficit never stopped Republicans in Congress from granting Bush the Inept his every whim and folly!

So lets look at the starting point of the Bush and Obama presidencies. There is a world of difference between a Republican inheriting a robust economy which had generated 23 million new jobs only to bequeath his Democratic successor a broken economy haemorrhaging jobs at a rate not seen since the recession of the early 1980s - and that's after $1.6 trillion in tax cuts!. They, obviously, fell short. That's no record to be proud of but there was a man who revelled in his own ineptitude more than any pig ever revelled rollicking around in its own muck. "I got an A in cutting taxes". And? Anybody can cut taxes, that doesn't take balls

The primary cause of the budget deficit is the fiscal ineptitude and an abdication of responsibility on the part of George W Bush and a servile party in Congress. Cutting taxes at a time of prosperity, when the federal government was living well within its means? Hell, that's a level of insanity verging on the indefensible

Seems to me that the entire raison d'etre of the contemporary Republican Party is that because they so were so God dam abysmal in government, it's proof positive that government doesn't work. They've predicted catatrophe with just about any reasonable piece of domestic legislation since the 'New Deal'; yet when it comes down to it, in the post-Depression era, when it comes to robust economic growth; a more equitable rise in prosperity and job creation, the Democratic record, collectively, trumps that of Republicans

Very little of the current deficit can be attributed to this president but he'll get all the blame; and while the 'Great Recession' rages, the deficits aren't going to get any better, which means that Obama is going to have to make tough choices as far raising taxes and/or cutting spending goes, which Bush neither had the bottle nor the brains to address

What would have happened to a Democratic president in 2004 had he been as fiscally reckless? It would have been a big issue, as it happens it was non-issue. Indeed, for Dick Cheney, Saint Reagan was proof positive that deficits didn't matter but the same logic, surprise, surprise can't hold now that a Democrat is president and his party controls Congress. Can't be having any of that?

And don't get me started on Gingrich, Pond Life by name, as well as by nature. That sanctimonious hypocritical scumbag who instigated a persecuting witch hunt against Bill Clinton. That far right nut is the reason why relations on Capitol Hill are so bloody toxic to this day. He was given the Speaker's gavel by the right of his party. Pelosi owes hers to the electoral success of moderate Democrats. Moderate Republicans, on the other hand, are a dying breed. Liberal Republicans are extinct

There was a time when Democrats and Republicans could knuckle-down, work together and get things done but today when you have an entire party, more or less, in thrall to the same dogmatic excess wherein all the causation lies for the 'Great Recession', bipartisanship - despite this president's sincere and genuine attempts at it. [Yes, he had a "liberal" voting record in the Senate; but all that tells me is that he had the good sense not to find much ground with Republican irrationalism - and, my oh my, look at the consequences of that]

The simple truth is that liberals are the pragmatists and conservatives the radicals - and failed reactionary ones at that! I'm giving Obama his fair shot, he's been dealt a very poor hand - and Bush wants to think a thousand shames of himself. And as Sen. Tom Harkin of Iowa would say "It makes my blood boil"

A prediction, if Obama falls short it sharply diminishes his chances of re-election but there will be none of that Bush atttitude. "Hell, I've screwed-up so bad, I'm going to do my damdest to make sure the other guy has an impossible task ahead of him".

When conservatism returns to its pragmatic Burkean roots (Burke was no radical) sentiments, on my part, might change. That said, I'm a Christian Democrat, so "fusionism" was never going to rest well on my conscience. Capitalism either works for the well-being of all, or it doesn't work at all

The middle class are the lifeblood of the economy but when they become emaciated to the extent that they have that only serves to economic good whatsoever. Even in 2004, more than 80% of Americans felt they gained nothing from the Bush tax cuts. There was a pretty illuminating article I read, back then, entitled "Bush: By Numbers" - and it was a damming indictment - but a majority didn't take any notice. More fools them

Godspeed to this president because the reactionary forces in thrall to special interests are out to scupper him. It's clear he's going to be held to a higher standard than George W Bush ever was - that's the about the only certainty - and, being a meritocrat, that's exactly how it should be. And ain't merit a funny thing consideing what would George W Bush ever have accomplished, politically, were it not for him being the drone-like eldest son of a blue-blooded Yankee Republican who relocated to Texas? Texas had a popular Democratic governor. There was never any need for him and there certainly wasn't any need for him in January 2001

Surprising as it may seem, I didn't dislike Bush personally until Katrina because strumming away there while New Orleans flooded as though he had not a care in the world informed just exactly who he was. It didn't look very appropriate

Anyway, this is an Obama approvals rating thread but, as the Good Lord Knoweth, when things need to be said, I'll say it. I speak my mind without fear or favor, I've never been afraid to stand behind my own beliefs

Signed: Without Prejudice*

* Because Barack and the Democrats will be getting a kick up the jacksy, when they need it as well. In many respects, I'm tougher on my own kind than I am on the other lot. It's a question of standards. And ya either got 'em or ya ain't and folks I got 'em ;)

Anyway I'm off to kip before Rasmussen (R) brings on another busted blood vessel


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 21, 2009, 08:45:34 AM
The 47-51 in Texas looks more ominous for Obama than it is, but such are the rules:


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So, Florida disapproves of Obama while Utah approves? That's interesting.

The poll for Utah is old -- really old. It could be that Obama had not done anything to offend Mormon sensibilities.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on July 21, 2009, 11:05:39 AM
Latest newsweek poll!!!

Obama approval:
approve- 69 pc
dissaprove-18 pc


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on July 21, 2009, 11:06:14 AM
Latest newsweek poll!!!

Obama approval:
approve- 69 pc
dissaprove-18 pc
well that's the kind of poll I hate. :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 21, 2009, 11:50:28 AM
Latest newsweek poll!!!

Obama approval:
approve- 69 pc
dissaprove-18 pc

Is the party I/D something like 48% Dem, 20% Rep or something?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 21, 2009, 12:02:28 PM
Can't find the Newsweek poll ???

But meanwhile down at Rasmussen [7/21/09] its:

Approve 51% (+1); Disapprove 47% (-2)



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RI on July 21, 2009, 12:04:25 PM

I think he was making it up...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 21, 2009, 12:19:05 PM

Taking the mickey, is he?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 21, 2009, 12:47:44 PM
Latest newsweek poll!!!

Obama approval:
approve- 69 pc
dissaprove-18 pc

Latest rass poll!!!

Obama approval:
Approve - 21%
Disapprove - 79%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 21, 2009, 01:29:33 PM
New Jersey (Strategic Vision):

50% Approve
40% Disapprove

(official numbers will be released later)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on July 21, 2009, 01:46:36 PM
All these statewide polls tell me that Obama has only moderate approval in most states, but very strong in Democratic strongholds. This is good news for both sides in a way. The GOP can make inroads into lean-Dem states, while the Democrats have a solid wall of states they will almost definitely hold.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on July 21, 2009, 02:11:09 PM
well indeed it was a joke ^^
it's because i hate newsweek polls just like abc polls are jokes and i hate it


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on July 21, 2009, 02:12:21 PM
Latest newsweek poll!!!

Obama approval:
approve- 69 pc
dissaprove-18 pc

Latest rass poll!!!

Obama approval:
Approve - 21%
Disapprove - 79%
lol
but rasmussen polls are more fair than newsweek's ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 21, 2009, 02:19:38 PM
Latest newsweek poll!!!

Obama approval:
approve- 69 pc
dissaprove-18 pc

Latest rass poll!!!

Obama approval:
Approve - 21%
Disapprove - 79%
lol
but rasmussen polls are more fair than newsweek's ;)

Of course, only the right leaning pollsters are ever fair...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on July 21, 2009, 03:26:02 PM
Latest newsweek poll!!!

Obama approval:
approve- 69 pc
dissaprove-18 pc

Latest rass poll!!!

Obama approval:
Approve - 21%
Disapprove - 79%
lol
but rasmussen polls are more fair than newsweek's ;)

Of course, only the right leaning pollsters are ever fair...
no that's not my point
before election day
rasmussen had obama leading by 6 while newsweek had obama leading by 13 or something.
I was laughing of loud ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on July 21, 2009, 03:26:51 PM
and according to newsweek, 35 pc of americans are liberal.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on July 21, 2009, 04:29:52 PM
Gallup poll for the week ending July 19th:

59% approve, 33% disapprove

71% approval among 18-29 year olds, 49% approval among those over 65
His best region is the East, with 68% approval, while his worst is the South, with 55% approval

51% of Whites approve, 81% of Non Whites approve (94% of blacks, 79% of hispanics)

92% of Dems approve, 56% of independents, as do 23% of Republicans

http://www.gallup.com/poll/121199/Obama-Weekly-Job-Approval-Demographic-Groups.aspx



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 21, 2009, 04:42:31 PM
All these statewide polls tell me that Obama has only moderate approval in most states, but very strong in Democratic strongholds. This is good news for both sides in a way. The GOP can make inroads into lean-Dem states, while the Democrats have a solid wall of states they will almost definitely hold.

Taking the last five presidential elections, the Democrats have a wall of 18 states plus D.C., which currently stands at 248 electoral votes compared with a Republican wall, of 13 states, totalling 95 electoral votes. You could add the Clinton states (AR, KY, LA, TN and WV) to the GOP as well given only KY saw a modest swing to the Democrats in 2008. Of course, 1992 and 1996 had Ross Perot in the mix

Perhaps the floor of the Democratic Party has reached a point to which an electoral majority is a lot easier than that of the Republican Party. But positive accomplishments, for the president and his party, are going to matter immensely moving forward

Looking at the latest Diageo/Hotline, voters may be sour with politicians (period) considering the president's approvals slumped 9%; congressional Democrats' approval slumped 8% and congressional Republicans' approval slumped 9%. If that were to hold, maybe a significant third party candidacy could be a factor in 2012

As for NJ, Corzine seems most certainly a drag on the Democratic brand and I doubt of the two Democratic senators are particularly held in high esteem either. But then NJ has a habit of disliking its Democrats only to re-elect them. Still, if Christie doesn't win it for the Republicans this fall but what does Corzine have pots of? Lish, lolly, the moolah. I'm not sure I'd support Corzine and I certainly have reservations as to the extent to which the president should get too actively involved. His job is to lead, to govern, to motivate - the nation through stormy seas

As for VA does it want to role the die on continued Democratic governence or dos it want 'change'? At least, the VA GOP rid itself of an inflamatory state party chairman and Bob McDonnell is obviously an attractive prospect to Virginians, since he has the edge over Deeds. Kaine seems, reasonably, popular but by no means to extent Warner was and, indeed, is - and rightly so, he was, obviously, a very good governor - and would make a very good president, one day, if he could only get out of the primary starting blocks


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pogo stick on July 21, 2009, 05:18:14 PM
Latest newsweek poll!!!

Obama approval:
approve- 69 pc
dissaprove-18 pc

Latest rass poll!!!

Obama approval:
Approve - 21%
Disapprove - 79%
lol
but rasmussen polls are more fair than newsweek's ;)

Of course, only the right leaning pollsters are ever fair...
OH GOD FORBID, OBAMA GETTING LOW RATINGS FROM ANY POLLS MEANS THAT THOSE POLLS ARE REPUBLICAN POLLS!

GROW UP!



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 21, 2009, 05:26:50 PM
Latest newsweek poll!!!

Obama approval:
approve- 69 pc
dissaprove-18 pc

Latest rass poll!!!

Obama approval:
Approve - 21%
Disapprove - 79%
lol
but rasmussen polls are more fair than newsweek's ;)

Of course, only the right leaning pollsters are ever fair...
OH GOD FORBID, OBAMA GETTING LOW RATINGS FROM ANY POLLS MEANS THAT THOSE POLLS ARE REPUBLICAN POLLS!

GROW UP!



Well considering Scott Rasmussen worked on Bush Jr's re-election campaign, i'm inclined to detect a slight right lean.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on July 21, 2009, 05:27:57 PM
Latest newsweek poll!!!

Obama approval:
approve- 69 pc
dissaprove-18 pc

Latest rass poll!!!

Obama approval:
Approve - 21%
Disapprove - 79%
lol
but rasmussen polls are more fair than newsweek's ;)

Of course, only the right leaning pollsters are ever fair...
OH GOD FORBID, OBAMA GETTING LOW RATINGS FROM ANY POLLS MEANS THAT THOSE POLLS ARE REPUBLICAN POLLS!

GROW UP!



Well considering Scott Rasmussen worked on Bush Jr's re-election campaign, i'm inclined to detect a slight right lean.

Don't you think you should probably use numbers, not just assume that a previous affiliation has caused a pollster to introduce a subtle bias into their sampling?

I mean, he'd (generally) have to go out of his way to do that intentionally.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on July 21, 2009, 07:28:57 PM
The problem is, he actually discloses all of his methods. He weights his polls by party ID which is why his numbers always seem more Republican.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 21, 2009, 11:45:23 PM
More bad polls for Obama:

ARG National Survey

Adults

52% Approve
44% Disapprove

Registered Voters

51% Approve
46% Disapprove

The results presented here are based on 1,100 completed telephone interviews conducted among a nationwide random sample of adults 18 years and older. The interviews were completed July 17 through 20, 2009. The theoretical margin of error for the total sample is plus or minus 2.6 percentage points, 95% of the time, on questions where opinion is evenly split.

http://americanresearchgroup.com/economy

Georgia (Strategic Vision)

40% Approve
52% Disapprove

The results are based on telephone interviews with 800 likely voters in Georgia, aged 18+, and conducted July 17-19, 2009 by telephone. The margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.

http://www.strategicvision.biz/political/georgia_poll_072209.htm


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 21, 2009, 11:50:19 PM

Ouch! Georgia was close in 2008!

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We will likely see a bunch of southern states go from green to tan when some of the old polls are supplanted.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 22, 2009, 12:01:49 AM
Associated Press/GfK (1006 adults, July 16-20)

55% Approve
42% Disapprove

http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com/pdf/AP_GfK_Poll_Politics_Economy_Topline.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on July 22, 2009, 10:03:30 AM
The problem is, he actually discloses all of his methods.

He discloses his phone list and his sampling method?  No pollster discloses all of their methods.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on July 22, 2009, 11:24:14 AM


Georgia (Strategic Vision)

40% Approve
52% Disapprove

The results are based on telephone interviews with 800 likely voters in Georgia, aged 18+, and conducted July 17-19, 2009 by telephone. The margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.

http://www.strategicvision.biz/political/georgia_poll_072209.htm

I doubt his numbers are that low in Georgia. I think they're more in the 45-50% range.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on July 22, 2009, 11:29:24 AM
PPP Louisiana:

Obama: 44% approve, 50% disapprove
74% of Dems approve, 30% of indeps approve, 12% of Reps approve
91% of AA's approve, 25% of whites approve

Landrieu: 43% approve, 43% disapprove

Jindal: 55% approve

Palin: 46% favorable, 42% unfavorable

Jindal vs Obama: Jindal 54, Obama 40

Palin vs Obama: Palin 49, Obama 42

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_Louisiana_722.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 22, 2009, 11:50:35 AM
PPP Louisiana:

Obama: 44% approve, 50% disapprove
74% of Dems approve, 30% of indeps approve, 12% of Reps approve
91% of AA's approve, 25% of whites approve

Landrieu: 43% approve, 43% disapprove

Jindal: 55% approve

Palin: 46% favorable, 42% unfavorable

Jindal vs Obama: Jindal 54, Obama 40

Palin vs Obama: Palin 49, Obama 42

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_Louisiana_722.pdf

Bad numbers for Palin considering it's Louisiana, one of the few states that swung GOP in '08. Obama's numbers are better than what I expected here.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 22, 2009, 01:13:20 PM
From the LA poll by PPP:

Whites Approval: 25%, Obama gets 19% against Jindal and 23% against Palin

Blacks Approval: 91%, Obama gets 91% against Jindal and 92% against Palin

He got 14% against McCain, but regularly polled 20% or more among Whites before the 2008 election (Rasmussen 23%, ARG 21% and Southeastern Louisiana University 17%).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 22, 2009, 01:21:42 PM
Pennsylvania (Quinnipiac University):

56% Approve
37% Disapprove

From July 14 - 19, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,173 Pennsylvania voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.9 percentage points. The survey includes 511 Republicans with a margin of error of +/- 4.3 percentage points and 512 Democrats with a margin of error of +/- 4.3 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1327.xml?ReleaseID=1351


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 22, 2009, 01:50:29 PM
Expected (Louisiana):

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on July 22, 2009, 02:09:22 PM
We've got some pretty screwed up numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Person Man on July 22, 2009, 02:13:26 PM
What is Louisana, gay? :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 22, 2009, 02:56:48 PM

No, not gay enough.

Sorry about the dreadful pun. It's simply reverting to the pattern that it showed in November 2008.

Obama has been President for six months, and he has yet to face a natural disaster. After all, hurricane season has yet to happen, and the southeastern US always gets at least one. How well will he handle it? I can't imagine him bungling the response any hurricane as badly as Dubya bungled the response to Katrina.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Person Man on July 22, 2009, 03:44:51 PM

No, not gay enough.

Sorry about the dreadful pun. It's simply reverting to the pattern that it showed in November 2008.

Obama has been President for six months, and he has yet to face a natural disaster. After all, hurricane season has yet to happen, and the southeastern US always gets at least one. How well will he handle it? I can't imagine him bungling the response any hurricane as badly as Dubya bungled the response to Katrina.

Well, what do you call a Republican that doesn't get a chubby over Palin?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on July 22, 2009, 04:02:24 PM

No, not gay enough.

Sorry about the dreadful pun. It's simply reverting to the pattern that it showed in November 2008.

Obama has been President for six months, and he has yet to face a natural disaster. After all, hurricane season has yet to happen, and the southeastern US always gets at least one. How well will he handle it? I can't imagine him bungling the response any hurricane as badly as Dubya bungled the response to Katrina.

Well, what do you call a Republican that doesn't get a chubby over Palin?

Sane...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 22, 2009, 11:54:28 PM
The first 2 states from SurveyUSA's monthly tracking have been released:

Missouri

55% Approve (+4)
42% Disapprove (-3)

Kansas

41% Approve (-8)
53% Disapprove (+4)

http://www.kctv5.com/news/20146837/detail.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on July 23, 2009, 12:24:26 AM
The first 2 states from SurveyUSA's monthly tracking have been released:

Missouri

55% Approve (+4)
42% Disapprove (-3)

Kansas

41% Approve (-8)
53% Disapprove (+4)

http://www.kctv5.com/news/20146837/detail.html

Wacky changes.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 23, 2009, 04:48:11 AM
Two Midwestern states from SurveyUSA's monthly tracking (KS, MO) . Down to Earth a bit in both states:

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Since 1960, the only Presidential candidate to win Missouri and lose the election was John McCain, and THE bellwether state seems to revert to its old pattern. In view of the Blue Firewall, and that there are several states not in the Firewall  more D than Missouri (NM, IA, NH, NV, VA, CO, OH, FL, NC, IN, perhaps AZ),  Obama cannot win Missouri without getting re-elected. Demographic change alone would still be enough to swing Missouri from R to D.

So here's how I call it 39 and a half months out:

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Key (margins) :

Deep Blue:     Generic GOP win 10% or more
Blue:              Generic GOP win 6 - 9.9%
Pale Blue:      Generic GOP win, 3 - 5.9%

White             Far too close to call
Pink:              Obama wins 3 - 5.9%
Red:               Obama wins 6- 9.9%
Deep Red:     Obama wins 10% or more
 

Jeb Bush or Charlie Crist probably wins Florida, but I don't see either of the two winning the Republican Presidential nomination, and VP won't be enough for either. Thune would probably be enough to flip South Dakota as a VP nominee. Romney stands to lose a raft of Southern states if Obama plays the Clinton-like populist role well this time. Huckabee could lose Utah if he doesn't make amends with the LDS Church and wins the nomination.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 23, 2009, 06:40:45 AM
The first 2 states from SurveyUSA's monthly tracking have been released:

Missouri

55% Approve (+4)
42% Disapprove (-3)

Kansas

41% Approve (-8)
53% Disapprove (+4)

http://www.kctv5.com/news/20146837/detail.html

Good numbers from Missouri, and Kansas is to be expected I guess.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 23, 2009, 01:12:52 PM
Connecticut (Quinnipiac University):

63% Approve
32% Disapprove

Obama gets a 93 - 6 percent approval from Democrats and a 61 - 31 percent thumbs up from independent voters. Republicans disapprove 75 - 19 percent.

From July 16 - 20, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,499 Connecticut registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.5 percentage points. The survey includes 612 Democrats with a margin of error of +/- 4 percentage points and 384 Republicans with a margin of error of +/- 5 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1296.xml?ReleaseID=1353


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 23, 2009, 01:38:53 PM
For now, I'm :) with any poll that shows the president either ahead of, or thereabouts, the % of the popular vote in the states that he carried. I'm not too concerned about the McCain states though I will say the latest Strategic Vision for Georgia is disappointing. Wonder if the demographics were realistic?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 23, 2009, 01:42:14 PM
PPP Louisiana:

Obama: 44% approve, 50% disapprove
74% of Dems approve, 30% of indeps approve, 12% of Reps approve
91% of AA's approve, 25% of whites approve

Landrieu: 43% approve, 43% disapprove

Jindal: 55% approve

Palin: 46% favorable, 42% unfavorable

Jindal vs Obama: Jindal 54, Obama 40

Palin vs Obama: Palin 49, Obama 42

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_Louisiana_722.pdf

Bad numbers for Palin considering it's Louisiana, one of the few states that swung GOP in '08. Obama's numbers are better than what I expected here.

Yes, I was pleasantly surprised to see his approval rating as high as 44% in Louisiana


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on July 23, 2009, 03:38:41 PM
Just for the record, Obama is at his lowest approval and highest disapproval in Gallup polling:

Approve 55%
Disapprove 39%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on July 23, 2009, 03:40:52 PM
Fox News

Approve 54%
Disapprove 38%

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/072309_poll.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on July 23, 2009, 03:56:30 PM
According to www.realclearpolitics.com , which averages out 6 recent polls to determine President Obama's job approval, his approval rating is at it's worst, and his disapproval rating is at it's highest, going over 40% for the first time. The President's approval rating has dropped 5 points in July alone. If this rate continues (which is unlikely), Obama's approval rating will be below 50% by mid-August.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 23, 2009, 04:07:40 PM
For the record, Bush Jr's approvals on Gallup on  7/19-22/01 were 56/33 and Clinton's on 7/19-21/93 were 41/49. Obama's not doing disastrously bad by comparison, although President Bush's numbers held up through August and then, as we all know, shot up after 9/11.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on July 23, 2009, 04:11:08 PM
For the record, Bush Jr's approvals on Gallup on  7/19-22/01 were 56/33 and Clinton's on 7/19-21/93 were 41/49. Obama's not doing disastrously bad by comparison, although President Bush's numbers held up through August and then, as we all know, shot up after 9/11.

True, but there wasn't the huge drop with Bush that there has been with Obama. That's why it's getting more attention.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on July 23, 2009, 04:35:06 PM
For the record, Bush Jr's approvals on Gallup on  7/19-22/01 were 56/33 and Clinton's on 7/19-21/93 were 41/49. Obama's not doing disastrously bad by comparison, although President Bush's numbers held up through August and then, as we all know, shot up after 9/11.

Screenshot comparisons are always bad. You have to look at the entire pictures.

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-presapp0605-31.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: East Coast Republican on July 23, 2009, 04:45:28 PM
Just for the record, Obama is at his lowest approval and highest disapproval in Gallup polling:

Approve 55%
Disapprove 39%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

It's all over!!  It's all over!!

President Obama will be a one termer!!!

BYE BYE BARACK!  BYE BYE BARACK!!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: JerryBrown2010 on July 23, 2009, 04:58:34 PM
Rasmussen Reports

Approve 51%   
Disapprove 48%

What a one sided Poll!

RealClearPolitics.com Average Approval

Approve 54.8% (-1.1%)

Disapprove 40.8% (+1.9%)

Spread +14.0% (-3.0%)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on July 23, 2009, 05:01:57 PM
Rasmussen Reports

Approve 51%   
Disapprove 48%

What a one sided Poll!

RealClearPolitics.com Average Approval

Approve 54.8% (-1.1%)

Disapprove 40.8% (+1.9%)

Spread +14.0% (-3.0%)

If Rasmussen was one-sided, he would be in the low 40's. It's only a few points lower than the national average.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: JerryBrown2010 on July 23, 2009, 05:08:10 PM
Rasmussen Reports

Approve 51%   
Disapprove 48%

What a one sided Poll!

RealClearPolitics.com Average Approval

Approve 54.8% (-1.1%)

Disapprove 40.8% (+1.9%)

Spread +14.0% (-3.0%)

If Rasmussen was one-sided, he would be in the low 40's. It's only a few points lower than the national average.

Rasmussen always had Obama behind in the approval ratings then all the other polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: JerryBrown2010 on July 23, 2009, 05:11:34 PM
Just for the record, Obama is at his lowest approval and highest disapproval in Gallup polling:

Approve 55%
Disapprove 39%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

It's all over!!  It's all over!!

President Obama will be a one termer!!!

BYE BYE BARACK!  BYE BYE BARACK!!

If it was 1993 you would have been saying the same thing about Bill Clinton, and look what happened In 1996. It's still to early to predict who's going to win.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 23, 2009, 05:12:10 PM
Just for the record, Obama is at his lowest approval and highest disapproval in Gallup polling:

Approve 55%
Disapprove 39%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

It's all over!!  It's all over!!

President Obama will be a one termer!!!

BYE BYE BARACK!  BYE BYE BARACK!!

He's the new Carter, don't you know?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 23, 2009, 05:28:05 PM
Just for the record, Obama is at his lowest approval and highest disapproval in Gallup polling:

Approve 55%
Disapprove 39%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

It's all over!!  It's all over!!

President Obama will be a one termer!!!

BYE BYE BARACK!  BYE BYE BARACK!!

As of January 1983, Ronald Reagan looked like he was going to be one termer too given that he was riding in at 35% approval according to Gallup


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: East Coast Republican on July 23, 2009, 05:29:40 PM
Just for the record, Obama is at his lowest approval and highest disapproval in Gallup polling:

Approve 55%
Disapprove 39%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

It's all over!!  It's all over!!

President Obama will be a one termer!!!

BYE BYE BARACK!  BYE BYE BARACK!!

As of January 1983, Ronald Reagan looked like he was going to be one termer too given that he was riding in at 35% approval according to Gallup

Excuses excuses.  I smell desperation!!

IT'S ALL OVER!!!!!  Like an OVERBID on the Price is Right with Bob Barker.  I can even hear Barker sadly saying 'You're Over!' with the loser horns playing in the background.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 23, 2009, 05:37:24 PM
Just for the record, Obama is at his lowest approval and highest disapproval in Gallup polling:

Approve 55%
Disapprove 39%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

It's all over!!  It's all over!!

President Obama will be a one termer!!!

BYE BYE BARACK!  BYE BYE BARACK!!

As of January 1983, Ronald Reagan looked like he was going to be one termer too given that he was riding in at 35% approval according to Gallup

Excuses excuses.  I smell desperation!!

IT'S ALL OVER!!!!!  Like an OVERBID on the Price is Right with Bob Barker.  I can even hear Barker sadly saying 'You're Over!' with the loser horns playing in the background.

No desparation here. I've always said that Obama will be held to a high standard, such is the ideological nature of America. As for Reagan's approvals, as of January 1983, I'm merely stating a fact


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on July 23, 2009, 05:39:00 PM
Just for the record, Obama is at his lowest approval and highest disapproval in Gallup polling:

Approve 55%
Disapprove 39%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

It's all over!!  It's all over!!

President Obama will be a one termer!!!

BYE BYE BARACK!  BYE BYE BARACK!!

As of January 1983, Ronald Reagan looked like he was going to be one termer too given that he was riding in at 35% approval according to Gallup

Excuses excuses.  I smell desperation!!

IT'S ALL OVER!!!!!  Like an OVERBID on the Price is Right with Bob Barker.  I can even hear Barker sadly saying 'You're Over!' with the loser horns playing in the background.

I bet you hear that a lot.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on July 23, 2009, 05:40:39 PM
...Or we can not analyze trends and just see who has the biggest stick up the rear.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 23, 2009, 05:41:38 PM
Just for the record, Obama is at his lowest approval and highest disapproval in Gallup polling:

Approve 55%
Disapprove 39%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

It's all over!!  It's all over!!

President Obama will be a one termer!!!

BYE BYE BARACK!  BYE BYE BARACK!!

As of January 1983, Ronald Reagan looked like he was going to be one termer too given that he was riding in at 35% approval according to Gallup

Excuses excuses.  I smell desperation!!

IT'S ALL OVER!!!!!  Like an OVERBID on the Price is Right with Bob Barker.  I can even hear Barker sadly saying 'You're Over!' with the loser horns playing in the background.

Yes, President Obama will never get re-elected if his approvals keep sliding. It's not like the election is 3 years away and anything can change before then, including a recession ending followed by a recovery. Obama's approvals will be in the 20s by October, obviously.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 23, 2009, 06:01:52 PM
Just for the record, Obama is at his lowest approval and highest disapproval in Gallup polling:

Approve 55%
Disapprove 39%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

It's all over!!  It's all over!!

President Obama will be a one termer!!!

BYE BYE BARACK!  BYE BYE BARACK!!

As of January 1983, Ronald Reagan looked like he was going to be one termer too given that he was riding in at 35% approval according to Gallup

Excuses excuses.  I smell desperation!!

IT'S ALL OVER!!!!!  Like an OVERBID on the Price is Right with Bob Barker.  I can even hear Barker sadly saying 'You're Over!' with the loser horns playing in the background.

No desparation here. I've always said that Obama will be held to a high standard, such is the ideological nature of America. As for Reagan's approvals, as of January 1983, I'm merely stating a fact

Considering how badly George W. Botch messed things up, making things far more dangerous for America, it is necessary that President Obama be held to a higher standard than his predecessor.

I almost think that he welcomes a higher standard.

two words:  North Korea.

four letters: Iran. 



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 23, 2009, 06:10:36 PM
Just for the record, Obama is at his lowest approval and highest disapproval in Gallup polling:

Approve 55%
Disapprove 39%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

It's all over!!  It's all over!!

President Obama will be a one termer!!!

BYE BYE BARACK!  BYE BYE BARACK!!

As of January 1983, Ronald Reagan looked like he was going to be one termer too given that he was riding in at 35% approval according to Gallup

Excuses excuses.  I smell desperation!!

IT'S ALL OVER!!!!!  Like an OVERBID on the Price is Right with Bob Barker.  I can even hear Barker sadly saying 'You're Over!' with the loser horns playing in the background.

No desparation here. I've always said that Obama will be held to a high standard, such is the ideological nature of America. As for Reagan's approvals, as of January 1983, I'm merely stating a fact

Considering how badly George W. Botch messed things up, making things far more dangerous for America, it is necessary that President Obama be held to a higher standard than his predecessor.

I almost think that he welcomes a higher standard.

two words:  North Korea.

four letters: Iran. 

I agree that the President of the United States should be held to a high standard, irrespective of whether they are a Democrat or a Republican but I still think the ideological make-up means Democrats have less margin for error

The sooner this economy shows tangible signs of turning a corner, the better :). Didn't you know that the deficit is all Obama's fault?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 23, 2009, 06:23:04 PM
Nevertheless, a two-day slide in Gallup from 61% to 55% is a bit worrying :(


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Inmate Trump on July 23, 2009, 06:33:21 PM
I think Republicans need to step back and see how things play out.  Obama's still very early on in his first term and there's more than enough time for him to make these falling numbers go back up again before the next election.  I personally hope they just keep getting lower and lower, because I think everything about him is scary and anti-American and I'm glad my fellow citizens are starting to wise up to his act, but Republicans need to take all of this with a grain of salt or else they'll appear as even bigger fools than they've been acting like for the past six or seven months.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ronnie on July 23, 2009, 06:49:58 PM
It might be just noise, guys.

Nevertheless, until Obama starts becoming fiscally responsible, I can't see his approval rating going up.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 23, 2009, 07:49:03 PM

Nevertheless, until Obama starts becoming fiscally responsible, I can't see his approval rating going up.

That all sounds rather rich to me Ronnie :) - and I know you were critical of Bush's spending. Neverthless, the president and his party when in control of Congress were far from being fiscally responsible). The House passed pay-go, yesterday, (13 Democrats voted against; 24 Republicans voted in favor). Hopefully, most of what they hope to accomplish can be funded from spending cuts elsewhere rather than tax increases. This may well mean that any further tax cuts the president would like to enact are going to have to be funded. That tells me that the Democrats are committed to fiscal responsibility - and in this environment, it ain't going to be easy

Down the line, this president is going to have to make the tough and, potentially, painful choices, on taxes and spending, his predecessor neither had the guts nor the sense to address - and that's leadership. The entire Bush presidency was characterized by an abandonment of fiscal responsibility - yet I only hear Republicans atoning for the spending. As for tax cuts, they are still proposing those as though they were some all-encompassing panacea yet in spite of $1.6 trillion enacted under Bush - the best he can bequeath is the 'Great Recession'. Doing their damdest to encapsulate Einstein's definition of insanity or what? Go down that road, and everytime a down-turn comes along, they'd be nowt left to cut

I don't particularly like either but tax-and-spend trumps borrow-and-spend. Bush could have made a conscious effort to kept the government living within its means but he didn't. In fact, the GOP rarely practices its so-called fiscal principles. Reagan didn't and W certainly didn't. Bush 41 did to a point - and if they'd had a cross, they'd have crucified him. Republicans, in sum, given their track record are hypocrites

Any one can cut taxes; politically, its the easiest thing in the world - but it takes balls to raise them, especially given the nation's 30 year old tax allergy


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 23, 2009, 07:53:29 PM
I personally hope they just keep getting lower and lower, because I think everything about him is scary and anti-American and I'm glad my fellow citizens are starting to wise up to his act

Never expected you to be struck down by Obama Derangment Syndrome, Clay, but then you are a fan of the hate-inciting Palin. Disgusting what she elicited from her rallies. Aye they reached an international audience and its one thing for right wing fringies (as they do in other parts of the Free World, which your president leads), to engage in that but a potential Vice-President of the United States? Shame


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on July 23, 2009, 07:56:34 PM
I think Republicans need to step back and see how things play out.  Obama's still very early on in his first term and there's more than enough time for him to make these falling numbers go back up again before the next election.  I personally hope they just keep getting lower and lower, because I think everything about him is scary and anti-American and I'm glad my fellow citizens are starting to wise up to his act, but Republicans need to take all of this with a grain of salt or else they'll appear as even bigger fools than they've been acting like for the past six or seven months.
How is anything Obama does scary and anti-American?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 23, 2009, 08:02:36 PM
I think Republicans need to step back and see how things play out.  Obama's still very early on in his first term and there's more than enough time for him to make these falling numbers go back up again before the next election.  I personally hope they just keep getting lower and lower, because I think everything about him is scary and anti-American and I'm glad my fellow citizens are starting to wise up to his act, but Republicans need to take all of this with a grain of salt or else they'll appear as even bigger fools than they've been acting like for the past six or seven months.
How is anything Obama does scary and anti-American?

At least this president is raising his country's image wherever he goes (and beyond!) - and I'd say that was a very pro-American thing to be accomplishing. Far from being an "apologist", this president is playing the role of "restorationist"


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rob on July 23, 2009, 08:52:04 PM
I think Republicans need to step back and see how things play out.  Obama's still very early on in his first term and there's more than enough time for him to make these falling numbers go back up again before the next election.  I personally hope they just keep getting lower and lower, because I think everything about him is scary and anti-American and I'm glad my fellow citizens are starting to wise up to his act, but Republicans need to take all of this with a grain of salt or else they'll appear as even bigger fools than they've been acting like for the past six or seven months.
How is anything Obama does scary and anti-American?

Clay is from Georgia. Obama is a black.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on July 23, 2009, 10:38:57 PM
Just for the record, Obama is at his lowest approval and highest disapproval in Gallup polling:

Approve 55%
Disapprove 39%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

It's all over!!  It's all over!!

President Obama will be a one termer!!!

BYE BYE BARACK!  BYE BYE BARACK!!

As of January 1983, Ronald Reagan looked like he was going to be one termer too given that he was riding in at 35% approval according to Gallup

Excuses excuses.  I smell desperation!!

IT'S ALL OVER!!!!!  Like an OVERBID on the Price is Right with Bob Barker.  I can even hear Barker sadly saying 'You're Over!' with the loser horns playing in the background.

No desparation here. I've always said that Obama will be held to a high standard, such is the ideological nature of America. As for Reagan's approvals, as of January 1983, I'm merely stating a fact

Reagan had an economy that grew explosively in 1983 and brought down the unemployment rate significantly.  This economy will not grow enough to bring down unemployment much over the next several years. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 23, 2009, 11:20:03 PM
I think Republicans need to step back and see how things play out.  Obama's still very early on in his first term and there's more than enough time for him to make these falling numbers go back up again before the next election.  I personally hope they just keep getting lower and lower, because I think everything about him is scary and anti-American and I'm glad my fellow citizens are starting to wise up to his act, but Republicans need to take all of this with a grain of salt or else they'll appear as even bigger fools than they've been acting like for the past six or seven months.

President Obama has demographic trends working in his direction. The youngest voters lean strongly Democratic and are much more liberal than America as a whole. The potential new voters born between 1990 and 1994 in no way show signs of moving away from that tendency. America is becoming less white -- and no non-white groups except perhaps Vietnamese-Americans trend Republican. As the Grim Reaper takes away older and more conservative-leaning voters (by the standards of 2008), the American electorate becomes more amenable to Obama.

Another trend that can do well for Obama is practically any economic recovery. So far the worst bear market in 75 years seems to have abated:

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Even if he did nothing to make this recovery possible other than "do nothing stupid" he gets the credit because you-know-who gets the blame for the dangerous downturn.

I have yet to see anything anti-American about him. We don't prove how "American" we are by endorsing recent faults of American leadership any more than a devoted spouse shows loyalty to an alcoholic by providing copious booze and excusing the drunken behavior that one expects from a heavy drinker. Putting an end to those faults is no act of disloyalty.

Scary? Maybe he seems scary because he isn't as "100% American" as you wish.  That concern need not be racial; most American blacks have no African ancestry from persons arriving in America after 1807. His African heritage reeks of the British colonial empire, and someone whose father were from Hong Kong would be no less exotic. But note well that he was born in the United States, so he fits the Constitutional requirement for the Presidency. 

He is not a Muslim; he is no more a Muslim than John Kerry is a Jew because of his father's religious heritage -- as if having a non-Christian father (or not being a Christian)  should disqualify anyone from the Presidency. He gets a perverse sort of endorsement from the condemnation of him from Mahmoud Ahmedinedjad, President of Iran (and certifiable nutcase) as a (derogatory term for a submissive black man who sells out to the white establishment).  Sure, he is without precedent as the first President not descended wholly from stock from the British Isles, Low Countries, France, Germany, and Scandinavia... does that matter?

I can think of worse strategies than "wait and see" from the GOP. Obstruction of what seem like constructive solutions will backfire. Obama might find his ratings going down -- but so will those of any possible rival. Such is no bargain for Americans other than those who seek failure of the system -- typically radicals.

I watch state polls of approval more than I watch national tracking polls -- and the most recent one for Missouri, a state that he lost in 2008 (if barely) seems to give him about a 55% approval rating. In view of the Blue Firewall (states that have not voted for a GOP nominee for President after 1988) showing no signs of weakening, and other states not in the Firewall showing recent polls positive for Obama (like Ohio), I have no cause to expect anything other than re-election in 2012. Obama will not win Missouri and lose the election.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 24, 2009, 12:11:31 AM
The new SurveyUSA polls (all conducted on July 20 among 600 state adults):

Alabama:

42% Approve (-4)
56% Disapprove (+7)

California:

66% Approve (+2)
30% Disapprove (-2)

Iowa:

56% Approve (-1)
40% Disapprove (+1)

Kansas:

41% Approve (-8)
53% Disapprove (+4)

Kentucky:

41% Approve (-6)
55% Disapprove (+4)

Minnesota:

51% Approve (-8)
46% Disapprove (+10)

Missouri:

55% Approve (+4)
42% Disapprove (-3)

New Mexico:

61% Approve (+8)
37% Disapprove (-7)

New York:

63% Approve (-2)
34% Disapprove (+4)

Oregon:

54% Approve (-2)
42% Disapprove (+1)

Virginia:

44% Approve (-15)
49% Disapprove (+13)

Washington:

56% Approve (-7)
41% Disapprove (+8)

Wisconsin:

50% Approve (-9)
45% Disapprove (+7)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 24, 2009, 01:00:28 AM
A bunch of new polls. VA is a big surprise, and it won't be long before polls turn a few states "yellow" or "tan" (NC, SC, SD, TN, AR, UT) should they appear.

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The GOP still has plenty of ways to lose, and few in which to win.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on July 24, 2009, 01:02:39 AM
I'm not quite sure I buy a couple of those polls. (Namely Minnesota and Virginia. Especially Virginia.)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on July 24, 2009, 06:10:54 AM
That is an EPIC collapse for one state.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on July 24, 2009, 06:21:46 AM
I'm not quite sure I buy a couple of those polls. (Namely Minnesota and Virginia. Especially Virginia.)

And New Mexico is wildly swinging yet for another month.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 24, 2009, 07:08:13 AM
I'm not quite sure I buy a couple of those polls. (Namely Minnesota and Virginia. Especially Virginia.)

I show what I see and don't judge the poll unless it is somehow suspect, as in "Who are those guys?"


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 24, 2009, 07:26:06 AM

Virginia:

44% Approve (-15)
49% Disapprove (+13)

Who the hell did they call to get an (unrealistic) swing like that?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on July 24, 2009, 08:15:55 AM

Virginia:

44% Approve (-15)
49% Disapprove (+13)

Who the hell did they call to get an (unrealistic) swing like that?

Or just maybe their VA poll before this one was unrealistic. Anywho, this seems close to right.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 24, 2009, 08:53:25 AM

Virginia:

44% Approve (-15)
49% Disapprove (+13)

Who the hell did they call to get an (unrealistic) swing like that?

Or just maybe their VA poll before this one was unrealistic. Anywho, this seems close to right.

Not in a state which Obama carried by 6.3% it doesn't


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BM on July 24, 2009, 08:58:29 AM
Rasmussen:

Approve 49%
Disapprove 51%

=o


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on July 24, 2009, 09:03:15 AM
Rasmussen:

Approve 49%
Disapprove 51%

=o
Ahh, Obama's first negative approval. Given how different Rasmussen is compared to others, I expect the nexting polling to give Obama a negative approval will be early August.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on July 24, 2009, 09:03:57 AM
Rasmussen:

Approve 49%
Disapprove 51%

=o
Ahh, Obama's first negative approval. Given how different Rasmussen is compared to others, I expect the nexting polling to give Obama a negative approval will be early August.

that's good news ... for obama :D


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 24, 2009, 09:13:24 AM
Rasmussen:

Approve 49%
Disapprove 51%

=o

That was on the cards. No justification for it, however, given the fact that the president is governing exactly from where any rationalist knew he would, the pragmatic center-left. Cannot be any worse than the last eight years of governance with all the finesse of an idiologically-driven cackhanded incompetent and a 'Great Recession', which, fairly and squarely, vindicates that

Only time will tell but he's going to be held to a higher standard than his predecessor (and I take comfort in that because it's how it should be for any president regardless of party and ideology), who abused the center-right nature of America to the point, he got a pass in 2004. If a Democrat had been that fiscally inept, they'd have been out on their arse

Yes, the economy and the deficit is all Obama's fault >:(


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on July 24, 2009, 09:35:16 AM
First negative poll. How long until the idiots call on him to resign? It's inevitable after any negative poll for any world leader, UK, France, Australia, US.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 24, 2009, 09:56:20 AM
CA: Boxer 45 Fiorina 41 (Rasmussen 7/22)

By Emily Swanson

Rasmussen
7/22/09; 500 likely voters; 4.5% margin of error
Mode: IVR

(Rasmussen results)

California

Job Approval / Disapproval
Pres. Obama: 57 / 43
Gov. Schwartzenegger: 38 / 60

Favorable / Unfavorable
Sen. Boxer: 50 / 47
Carly Fiorina: 30 / 35

2010 Senate
Boxer 45%, Fiorina 41%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on July 24, 2009, 10:35:59 AM

Virginia:

44% Approve (-15)
49% Disapprove (+13)

Who the hell did they call to get an (unrealistic) swing like that?

Or just maybe their VA poll before this one was unrealistic. Anywho, this seems close to right.

Not in a state which Obama carried by 6.3% it doesn't

Yes right now Obama's approval rating is 50-53 national, so VA would be somewhere in the 48-50 range. Like I said it is close to right, not right on the money.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 24, 2009, 11:08:43 AM

Virginia:

44% Approve (-15)
49% Disapprove (+13)

Who the hell did they call to get an (unrealistic) swing like that?

Or just maybe their VA poll before this one was unrealistic. Anywho, this seems close to right.

Not in a state which Obama carried by 6.3% it doesn't

Yes right now Obama's approval rating is 50-53 national, so VA would be somewhere in the 48-50 range. Like I said it is close to right, not right on the money.

I don't consider that particularly close to right. Anyway, I need to see the demographic base percentages to determine whether its plausible or not. Could be too few, or too many, of this, that and the other. I'm not buying any significant drop-off from moderates, given that the president is governing from the pragmatic center-left and isn't by any stretch of the imagination a radical, not from where I stand on the issues, at least, and I consider myself a Christian Democrat


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on July 24, 2009, 11:18:49 AM
The disapproval is also stemming from liberals, who are seeing that all his foreign policy/national security stances that fervently supported him for have rapidly become George W. Bush all over again. And no way is Obama governing from the center. Obama is the least "central" president since FDR, or at least Johnson.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on July 24, 2009, 12:03:27 PM
It might be just noise, guys.

Nevertheless, until Obama starts becoming fiscally responsible, I can't see his approval rating going up.
It never hurt Bush much.

And at least Obama actually has a good reason for running up the deficit in the short term with  economic stimulus to combat the recession and addressing the banking/mortgage crisis (thanks again, W), as opposed to Bush's long term budgetary plan of: "raise $4 revenue and spend $5" was simply far-right ideology trumping plain arithmetic.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on July 24, 2009, 12:06:09 PM
How is spending more right-wing?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on July 24, 2009, 01:06:56 PM
The Virginia poll is an outlier. His approval in Virginia is probably between 50-55%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 24, 2009, 01:10:11 PM
ALLSTATE NATIONAL JOURNAL HEARTLAND MONITOR NATIONAL SURVEY Conducted by FD:

56% Approve
36% Disapprove

National Sample of 1202 Adults Age 18+ (Margin of Error = +/ 2.8% in 95 out of 100 cases)
July 5-12 2009

http://www.nationaljournal.com/img/news/090723heartland2topline.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: JerryBrown2010 on July 24, 2009, 01:33:52 PM
Rasmussen:

Approve 49%
Disapprove 51%

=o

This is funny they probably added all the undecided to the disapprove. Look at these two polls and compare it to Rasmussen.

Gallup

Approve 56%   
Dissaprove 39%

FOX News

Approve 54%
Disaprove 38%   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on July 24, 2009, 01:56:43 PM

Virginia:

44% Approve (-15)
49% Disapprove (+13)

Who the hell did they call to get an (unrealistic) swing like that?

Or just maybe their VA poll before this one was unrealistic. Anywho, this seems close to right.

Not in a state which Obama carried by 6.3% it doesn't

Yes right now Obama's approval rating is 50-53 national, so VA would be somewhere in the 48-50 range. Like I said it is close to right, not right on the money.

I don't consider that particularly close to right. Anyway, I need to see the demographic base percentages to determine whether its plausible or not. Could be too few, or too many, of this, that and the other. I'm not buying any significant drop-off from moderates, given that the president is governing from the pragmatic center-left and isn't by any stretch of the imagination a radical, not from where I stand on the issues, at least, and I consider myself a Christian Democrat

Most polling firms show him with negative nation approvals with independents. It's usually around 40-60 with the 60 disapproving. Independents are ~27% of voters in Virginia. So if you have the Republican base, which is ~33%, and the Democratic base, which is ~39%, and the independents lean disapprove, then you get around the area that this poll was.

As to why independents are more disapproving of Obama, I personally think it has to do with the budget deficits.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on July 24, 2009, 02:09:56 PM
Rasmussen:

Approve 49%
Disapprove 51%

=o

This is funny they probably added all the undecided to the disapprove. Look at these two polls and compare it to Rasmussen.

Gallup

Approve 56%   
Dissaprove 39%

FOX News

Approve 54%
Disaprove 38%   

Rasmussen is likely voters. The others are all adults.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 24, 2009, 03:01:38 PM
Rasmussen:

Approve 49%
Disapprove 51%

=o

This is funny they probably added all the undecided to the disapprove. Look at these two polls and compare it to Rasmussen.

Gallup

Approve 56%   
Dissaprove 39%

FOX News

Approve 54%
Disaprove 38%   

Rasmussen is likely voters. The others are all adults.

Rasmussen's "likely voters" screen grossly underestimates the youngest voters. Young voters were strongly Democratic and voted at an unusually-high volume  for youth voters in 2008. Some of Rasmussen's "likely voters" won't vote in 2012 (largely-older voters due to death or senescence); Rasmussen's "likely voters" fails to include voters born between 1990 and 1994.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on July 24, 2009, 03:07:36 PM
Rasmussen:

Approve 49%
Disapprove 51%

=o

This is funny they probably added all the undecided to the disapprove. Look at these two polls and compare it to Rasmussen.

Gallup

Approve 56%   
Dissaprove 39%

FOX News

Approve 54%
Disaprove 38%   

Rasmussen is likely voters. The others are all adults.

Rasmussen's "likely voters" screen grossly underestimates the youngest voters. Young voters were strongly Democratic and voted at an unusually-high volume  for youth voters in 2008. Some of Rasmussen's "likely voters" won't vote in 2012 (largely-older voters due to death or senescence); Rasmussen's "likely voters" fails to include voters born between 1990 and 1994.

You are grasping at straws and coming up with nothing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on July 24, 2009, 03:22:58 PM
Look, until Rasmussen starts using a registered voters or adult voters sample (or we get to within a month or two from the next election) their poll numbers are going to be slanted Republican by a bit. Using a likely voters screen over a year before any election (and over three from the next presidential election) is stupid. But this way Rasmussen gets to spin the poll numbers his own way and Fox is willing to invite him on the air to talk about how much Obama sucks.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on July 24, 2009, 04:08:11 PM
There is nothing Republican about trying to figure out who will actually vote.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 24, 2009, 05:46:02 PM

Virginia:

44% Approve (-15)
49% Disapprove (+13)

Who the hell did they call to get an (unrealistic) swing like that?

Or just maybe their VA poll before this one was unrealistic. Anywho, this seems close to right.

Not in a state which Obama carried by 6.3% it doesn't

Yes right now Obama's approval rating is 50-53 national, so VA would be somewhere in the 48-50 range. Like I said it is close to right, not right on the money.

I don't consider that particularly close to right. Anyway, I need to see the demographic base percentages to determine whether its plausible or not. Could be too few, or too many, of this, that and the other. I'm not buying any significant drop-off from moderates, given that the president is governing from the pragmatic center-left and isn't by any stretch of the imagination a radical, not from where I stand on the issues, at least, and I consider myself a Christian Democrat

Most polling firms show him with negative nation approvals with independents. It's usually around 40-60 with the 60 disapproving. Independents are ~27% of voters in Virginia. So if you have the Republican base, which is ~33%, and the Democratic base, which is ~39%, and the independents lean disapprove, then you get around the area that this poll was.

Independents only narrowly favored Obama in Virginia (48-47). Nationally, independents will ebb towards him and flow away from him depending on his performance, and the extent to which his policies are perceived, positively or negatively, and as we all know there is one bad ass bitch of a recession right now

Quote
As to why independents are more disapproving of Obama, I personally think it has to do with the budget deficits.

Little of which, to date, can be directly attributed to this president


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 24, 2009, 05:46:58 PM
There is nothing Republican about trying to figure out who will actually vote.

It's simply impossible to predict which current 15-year-olds and 16-year-olds will vote three years from now. Rasmussen does not try; it is thus safe to look at a Rasmussen poll as a floor (for Democrats) that will likely rise as Election Day approaches.

If Rasmussen had been polling in 1980 or 1984 with the same methodology, then his firm would have greatly underestimated Reagan victories.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on July 24, 2009, 06:05:19 PM
Look, until Rasmussen starts using a registered voters or adult voters sample (or we get to within a month or two from the next election) their poll numbers are going to be slanted Republican by a bit. Using a likely voters screen over a year before any election (and over three from the next presidential election) is stupid. But this way Rasmussen gets to spin the poll numbers his own way and Fox is willing to invite him on the air to talk about how much Obama sucks.

Rassmusen is the new Zogby. 8)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Inmate Trump on July 24, 2009, 07:10:10 PM
Clay is from Georgia. Obama is a black.

No.

Just.....

No.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on July 24, 2009, 07:24:42 PM
There is nothing Republican about trying to figure out who will actually vote.

It's simply impossible to predict which current 15-year-olds and 16-year-olds will vote three years from now. Rasmussen does not try; it is thus safe to look at a Rasmussen poll as a floor (for Democrats) that will likely rise as Election Day approaches.

If Rasmussen had been polling in 1980 or 1984 with the same methodology, then his firm would have greatly underestimated Reagan victories.

Dude, I hope you know that no polling firm tries to predict how 15 and 16 year olds will vote.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on July 24, 2009, 08:04:14 PM
There is nothing Republican about trying to figure out who will actually vote.

It's simply impossible to predict which current 15-year-olds and 16-year-olds will vote three years from now. Rasmussen does not try; it is thus safe to look at a Rasmussen poll as a floor (for Democrats) that will likely rise as Election Day approaches.

If Rasmussen had been polling in 1980 or 1984 with the same methodology, then his firm would have greatly underestimated Reagan victories.

Dude, I hope you know that no polling firm tries to predict how 15 and 16 year olds will vote.



I don't think he understands that concept.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on July 24, 2009, 08:04:25 PM
Well than how anything Obama has been doing unamerican?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 24, 2009, 08:11:09 PM
Well than how anything Obama has been doing unamerican?

Aren't all Democrats unamerican?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 24, 2009, 10:03:49 PM
There is nothing Republican about trying to figure out who will actually vote.

It's simply impossible to predict which current 15-year-olds and 16-year-olds will vote three years from now. Rasmussen does not try; it is thus safe to look at a Rasmussen poll as a floor (for Democrats) that will likely rise as Election Day approaches.

If Rasmussen had been polling in 1980 or 1984 with the same methodology, then his firm would have greatly underestimated Reagan victories.

Dude, I hope you know that no polling firm tries to predict how 15 and 16 year olds will vote.



I have seen little evidence of such youth going R when they vote in 2012. If one tries to predict how an election will go four years out, then you need to know what the demographic trends are.

Of course those trends do not show what the general perception of Obama will be in 2012; if he proves corrupt, inept, or otherwise disreputable then no well-tuned campaign machine can rescue him. But if things are reasonably good for him -- if nothing changes but demographics -- then the best scenario for the Republicans is that Obama picks up Missouri, Arizona, and maybe Montana or Georgia. So he pleases the people who voted for him and gets a little gain from the youth vote, and the best that the GOP can hope for rescuing as many electoral votes as possible is Huckabee versus Obama, and Obama wins.

(Romney probably does better with popular votes,  cutting some of the gigantic margins by which Obama won in 2008 in the Blue Firewall, but not enough to swing any state except perhaps Indiana. Romney has no obvious appeal in the South, and might lose a couple states as many poor-white votes hemorrhage away from McCain's margins. That's before I even talk about Sarah Palin or Newt Gingrich.)

I make this prediction of the votes of persons now 14 to 18 who were too young to vote on the material of  Neil Howe and the late William Strauss in their Generations and Fourth Turning theories which so far have explained how youth will vote -- and how they have voted since the 1930s. They could explain the huge margins for FDR... and Ronald Reagan.  Current young adults, according to these theories, have political attitudes similar in many ways to the GI Generation of World War II veterans -- and in the 1930s that generation was the most politically-liberal in American history. It was too rational to fall for "Vote this way lest the Devil take you!); even if it was religious it went for such types as Billy Graham or Fulton Sheen  who kept the message optimistic and rational.

Such is much in contrast to the Lost Generation born late in the 19th century who voted heavily for Warren G. Harding and Calvin Coolidge, and Generation X, who amazed the rest of America with their support for Ronald Reagan -- youth already suspicious of everything other than commerce, youth who thought that so long as the Right People wielded the power and managed the wealth, all would be well. 

What can overcome this?

1. An incredibly-strong, charismatic GOP nominee who has no regional weaknesses (Reagan) or who has a record of military heroism as a leader (Eisenhower). A technocrat who seems to have no feelings will remind people of what is worst with the GOP.

Problem #1 for the GOP: Barack Obama has much the same repertory of political skills as Ronald Reagan.

Problem #2: should General Petraeus get a pair of glorious victories in Iraq and Afghanistan, then he solves the mess that Dubya left behind to the political advantage of Obama in 2012 and even if he takes the role of Dwight Eisenhower, he does so in 2016, when the 22nd Amendment likely retires Obama.

2. Catastrophic failure by Obama as President. A recession giving way to a shaky recovery that ends in a 1929-style Crash would be the economic disaster that leads to political failure, and I will leave diplomatic and military calamities with similar effect to your imagination.

Problem: We are all up a filthy creek (we all know its metaphoric name) with no paddle, so to speak.

You cannot assume that the Religious Right will reshape American political values in time for 2012; it relied heavily upon Baby Boomers, and their kids flee it at the first chance. Taxing and government spending will of course offend the Corporate base of the GOP, but those will matter little to voters so long as those seem to bring higher pay and better lives. Face it: if you get a government job do you care about the taxes that fund your job and make the difference between going hungry and having some semblance of middle-class norms of life?

Nothing can redeem the record of our disgraced 43rd President.  Democrats will bring that record up as often as they think necessary in 2012 as in 2008, and any GOP nominee will need to distance himself from him. Republicans from a time before Dubya will be too old (Dubya will be 66 in 2012) to appeal with nostalgia for 'better times'; younger Republicans who have no ties to Dubya have yet to have careers advanced enough to be serious nationwide candidates... or (Collins or Snowe in Maine, maybe Murkowski in Alaska) might as well be Democrats.

I remember one ad campaign by the Reagan candidacy from 1984: "I Remember You",  a scathing presentation of Mondale/Ferraro as an attempt to return to the old liberal habits of Jimmy Carter and their consequences (gas lines, high unemployment, hostage-taking in Iran).  I can imagine a campaign that morphs any GOP nominee into George W. Bush:

"He believes in ravaging the environment to get quick profits for his buddies...

He believes in tax breaks for the super-rich that will do you no good...

He believes in keeping wages low...

He believes in forcing creationism in schools...

He believes in outsourcing American jobs...

He believes that the current (or former) way of health care is just fine...

JUST LIKE GEORGE W. BUSH

or, in a twist on "I remember you"...

business failures, corruption scandals, "Mission Accomplished!", massive job losses, people abandoning or being foreclosed from houses, personal debt outpacing personal income...

Obama proved a masterful campaigner in 2012, and even if he can't do appreciable overt campaigning, he has a formidable campaign machine that he can restart at the right time.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pogo stick on July 24, 2009, 10:18:48 PM
Honestly, Stop being a baby!


If things don't go your way you throw a f***ing tantrum!



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ej2mm15 on July 24, 2009, 10:22:05 PM
You are talking about 15-16 year olds? They are very democratic.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on July 24, 2009, 10:25:47 PM
The SUSA numbers extrapolate out to about a 53% approval rating.

Also, of polls at this time in the game, RV is best.  Adults will skew too Democratic (as always).  I don't know what a LV is at this point, so I tend to leery of that measure as well, though Rasmussen is so heavily weighted, it may not make a difference between RV and LV for him (the distinction may be not statistically significant).

Once again, the key distinction that is statistically significant and that shows up again and again is that Obama does 2-5 points better in adult polls vs. RV polls (expected) AND does 2-5 points better in live operator polls vs. computer-operated ones (adults vs adults and RV vs. RV NOT adult vs. RV).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajc0918 on July 24, 2009, 10:40:36 PM
You are talking about 15-16 year olds? They are very democratic.

Somewhat true, but a lot of teens are only democrat because Obama was running. Most teens don't know what the difference between a Republican and  a Democrat. I think the GOP needs to show teens the principles of the party.

Here's how most teens figure politics:
George Bush = Bad = Republican
Obama = God = Democrat

So most teens think since they like Obama then they are a democrat. When they mature, they will figure it out and become more conservative.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on July 24, 2009, 10:56:06 PM
You are talking about 15-16 year olds? They are very democratic.

Somewhat true, but a lot of teens are only democrat because Obama was running. Most teens don't know what the difference between a Republican and  a Democrat. I think the GOP needs to show teens the principles of the party.

Here's how most teens figure politics:
George Bush = Bad = Republican
Obama = God = Democrat

So most teens think since they like Obama then they are a democrat. When they mature, they will figure it out and become more conservative.

Very true. These teens will only know a country controlled by Democrats, so any mistakes will make the Democrats look bad in their eyes.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on July 24, 2009, 11:07:24 PM
You are talking about 15-16 year olds? They are very democratic.

Somewhat true, but a lot of teens are only democrat because Obama was running. Most teens don't know what the difference between a Republican and  a Democrat. I think the GOP needs to show teens the principles of the party.

Here's how most teens figure politics:
George Bush = Bad = Republican
Obama = God = Democrat

So most teens think since they like Obama then they are a democrat. When they mature, they will figure it out and become more conservative.

Very true. These teens will only know a country controlled by Democrats, so any mistakes will make the Democrats look bad in their eyes.
I'd say they will still be pretty heavily Democratic based on issues and the general feel of the Democrats. As long as the Republicans stay very socially conservative and anti-environmental they will be unpopular among the youth. Plus the youth is very heavily made up of minorities.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 24, 2009, 11:17:57 PM
Current young adults -- and current juveniles --  will eventually have more cause to vote for conservative pols. What Howe and Strauss call the Millennial Generation (born largely in the last two decades of the 20th century) are more liberal than the older Generation X (born largely in the 1960s and 1970s) when one controls for region, ethnicity, military experience, income, social class, education, job title, and the like. Generation X tended to be conservative even if it had cr@ppy jobs because it still had faith in Corporate America to either make things right or had (often) inordinate faith in their own abilities as survivors. The Millennial Generation saw Generation X treated badly even when it showed competence and dedication.

The Millennial Generation so far has little stake in the economic status quo. They have not entered elite positions in industry. If they have started businesses, then those businesses are at the stage in which owners think more about getting income than from protecting it from taxes or demands of unrelated employees.  Few have started fast-track careers in such lucrative professions as medicine, dentistry, or law. Although they are no more religious than Generation X they are hostile to irrationality in religion. When they get more of a stake in the system they will have more cause for political and economic conservatism -- but so far any faith in top-down management, trickle-down economics, will take huge leaps of faith that few people have.  

One thing will push Millennial adults toward cultural conservatism -- their children... teen-age children, that is. Not until at least 2016 will that be a big issue for them, as their children are largely infants, toddlers, or elementary-school pupils -- early, that is. Note well that the economic hardships of recent years have delayed many marriages and much child-bearing, so that may slow that trend toward cultural conservatism (few want their children to grow up as savages and incompetent sure-losers). Then some might be more amenable to the "school prayer" pushers and the like who offer in-school devotions in school as the only reliable protection against juvenile delinquency.

Should Barack Obama and his Democratic politicians be as successful as those of FDR (which is pushing the envelope as prophecy) in reshaping American economic and political life, then the consensus among the Millennial Generation will likely divide between those who think that things have gone too far, about enough, and not far enough. Such will redefine the left/center/right paradigms of American politics. Undoing something like national health care or free education through graduate school for those who can legitimately use it will be difficult.  America could seem more like a European country in its politics than it does now -- but note well that all democratic societies in Europe have conservative parties.

It is possible that the GOP will lose its political relevance as did the Federalists and Whigs-- but a single-Party system would be unwieldy here. Should the GOP disappear due to its irrelevance or become a fringe party, then the Democratic Party would likely split into such groupings (and they will be known as Parties) as Christian Democrats and Social Democrats.   
 

  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 24, 2009, 11:50:23 PM
One way to explain the Virginia numbers is the drastically different composition between the June and July polls as well as the downward spiral in Obama's approval in these groups:

June:

42% Democrats (93-6 approve)
29% Republicans (27-68 disapprove)
22% Independents (44-49 disapprove)

July:

33% Democrats (83-16 approve)
32% Republicans (19-76 disapprove)
27% Independents (34-51 disapprove)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on July 25, 2009, 09:46:03 AM
Rasmussen still has him under 50% today:

Approve 49%

Disapprove 51%



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on July 25, 2009, 10:09:48 AM
Rasmussen still has him under 50% today:

Approve 49%

Disapprove 51%



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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on July 25, 2009, 11:17:06 AM
Again, your response to a professional pollster is over the top.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on July 25, 2009, 11:22:59 AM
Again, your response to a professional pollster is over the top.

Perhaps.

But you must admit, it's a cool sign.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 25, 2009, 01:48:38 PM
One way to explain the Virginia numbers is the drastically different composition between the June and July polls as well as the downward spiral in Obama's approval in these groups:

June:

42% Democrats (93-6 approve)
29% Republicans (27-68 disapprove)
22% Independents (44-49 disapprove)

July:

33% Democrats (83-16 approve)
32% Republicans (19-76 disapprove)
27% Independents (34-51 disapprove)

Using July's percentages with June's party I/D, for example, Democrats 42%, 83-16 approve, I get 47.85% approve; 39.98% disapprove (48-40 approve)

Using July's percentages with the 2008 exit polls, for example, Democrats 39%, 83-16 approve, I get 47.82% approve; 45.09% disapprove (48-45 approve)

Perhaps a case of June having too many Democrats and July, too few?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: JerryBrown2010 on July 25, 2009, 01:58:43 PM
Gallup

Approve: 55%
Disapprove 39%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 25, 2009, 03:53:12 PM
You are talking about 15-16 year olds? They are very democratic.

Somewhat true, but a lot of teens are only democrat because Obama was running. Most teens don't know what the difference between a Republican and  a Democrat. I think the GOP needs to show teens the principles of the party

Here's how most teens figure politics:
George Bush = Bad = Republican
Obama = God = Democrat

Less of the God please. As a Christian, I take issue with any reference to the president as "God" or the "Messiah".  Good, in this context, is more appropriate

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So most teens think since they like Obama then they are a democrat. When they mature, they will figure it out and become more conservative.

Younger people are, actually, more rational than you give them credit for - and if their formative years have been characterized by what they perceive as being nothing short of abject incompetence and neglect culminating in failure, on the part of a conservative Republican, you can't expect them to skew either conservative or Republican. And there is no lack of maturity about it

I'm not suggesting, of course, that they will be skew either liberal or Democratic infinitum. That, of course, in no small part, is going to depend on the extent to which Democrats are successful or otherwise


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 25, 2009, 04:46:31 PM
You are talking about 15-16 year olds? They are very democratic.

Somewhat true, but a lot of teens are only democrat because Obama was running. Most teens don't know what the difference between a Republican and  a Democrat. I think the GOP needs to show teens the principles of the party.

Here's how most teens figure politics:
George Bush = Bad = Republican
Obama = God = Democrat

So most teens think since they like Obama then they are a democrat. When they mature, they will figure it out and become more conservative.

Very true. These teens will only know a country controlled by Democrats, so any mistakes will make the Democrats look bad in their eyes.

In fact they know what a Republican administration and a stooge GOP Congress could do in America -- and it wasn't pretty. They remember the Religious Right, and they run from it. Until the GOP can prove itself unconnected to our 43rd President and his amoral, incompetent, alienating leadership, the GOP is in big trouble with people born between 1980 and at least 1994. If the GOP should take the very low road of male chauvinism, homophobia, and racism, then such a road is one to ruin. Ronald Reagan exuded optimism and always had an agenda, and he could always cut a deal to get what he most wanted.

Someone born in 1994 can't avoid knowing about the bungled response to Hurricane Katrina. Eleven-year-olds are aware of unsubtle events -- wars and natural disasters. Someone born that late can't  know any GOP President other than George W. Bush, and that is a very bad memory. Dubya's father at the least got some dramatic events abroad to go the way almost everyone wanted them to go. Ronald Reagan may have been a mixed bag as a political leader. That happened before the youngest voters of 2012 were born, and it happened while the youngest voters of 2008 were literal infants.

Like the generational approach or not, you must recognize that time itself is environment. People would have to be born no earlier than the early 1980s to remember Republican leadership doing anything positive. Time is environment; it shapes attitudes arguably as much as religion, ethnicity, region, and class.

I'm old enough to remember Ronald Reagan (and indeed JFK!), but as a liberal I was prone to underestimating him as a leader. If you can accept this model for the difference between Reagan and Carter:

Carter    = inept and irrelevant       = Democrat
Reagan  = effective and convincing = Republican

then this so far seems to work:

GW Bush = incompetent, glory-seeking = Republican
Obama    = effective and principled       = Democrat

Can Obama fail? Sure. His judgment could prove faulty, and his liberalism can conceivably go too far. He could be the recipient of some incredible misfortune. That said, his personality seems right for the role, and he gets much leeway after a bad President. Right now it seems just as likely that Obama will win re-election in an Eisenhower-style landslide or be defeated.
Take 100 electoral votes from Obama's 2008 victory and he ends up with 265 EV and a loss; add 100 and he ends up with 465 EV and a huge landslide.



 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on July 25, 2009, 04:55:03 PM
Obama effective? HA!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Duke on July 25, 2009, 05:01:57 PM
pbrower is in fantasyland.  A lot of Dems are.

Comparing Obama in 2012 to Reagan in 1984?

Reagan's "morning in America" campaign worked because the economy was growing.  I fhe had said it was morning in America and unemploymnet had been at 12%, people would have thought he had a screw loose.  Reagan won because he ran on his record.

You think Obama can win simply by pointing to the failures of his predecessor?  Absurd!  If Obama can't turn the economy around, no one will care about George Bush.

Obama's re-election is totally dependent on his record.  If his record is defensible, he will be re-elected.  If his record is indefensible, he will not be re-elected.  Pretening that his charisma guarantees him a second term is unserious.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 25, 2009, 07:14:53 PM

Mocking are we, Rowan? Here's my take on things.

Domestically, this president is going to have to make the kind of tough decisions on taxes and spending than his predecessor, sloth that he was didn't make much headway on. And if Obama does that, he'll be showing leadership. Any tom, dick or harry can cut taxes willy-nilly, politically, it's the easiest thing in the world to do; but raising them takes guts. The House this week passed "pay-go", which if passed by the Senate and signed into law, commits Democrats, moving forward, to fiscal responsibility :). It's not inconceivable that a point will come when the 30 year old tax allergy is going to have be confronted head-on - and by woudn't that take testicular fortitude! Obama wasn't bequeathed a robust economy that had generated 23 million jobs and federal government living well within its means, far from it

Seemingly, even a pragmatic center-leftist like Obama is pushing his nation's ideological comfort zone - and that in itself is leadership. The ideological nature of America, in so far as conservatives outnumber liberals three to two, makes governing inherently more challenging for him and positive accomplishments all that more important. Not to mention the forces of restraint from within, in the form of the Blue Dogs. No such checks on Bush from the GOP given that he got just every whim and folly handed him as though Congress were some compliant wife

On the international stage, meanwhile, Obama the Apologist Restorationist, rather, is, thus far, proving dam effective at raising his nation's image; but it's going to take longer to restore the trust between the Free World and her leader (good ol' Uncle Sam)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 25, 2009, 07:38:06 PM

Comparing Obama in 2012 to Reagan in 1984?

Even were this president to be as "brilliant" as Reagan, there will be no rerun of 1984 - given the recalcitrant spirit of conservatism (no matter bad how we screw up, there is no alternative to us) - but if the economy has rebounded nicely, there are no unpopular foreign wars and no major scandals directly implicating the president, he wins re-election

Of course, capitalism, then and now, is more universal and, as a consequence, there are more significant global players competing with America et al.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on July 25, 2009, 11:59:16 PM
If Obama can't turn the economy around, no one will care about George Bush.

Nothing else really needs to be said on this board. Ford sums it up nicely, as usual.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 26, 2009, 12:07:07 AM
Zogby

48% Approve
49% Disapprove

47% Excellent/Good
53% Fair/Poor

“What is troubling for the President is not only his slide with voters but that they are re-polarized. He is strong with Democrats but only has 6% approval from Republicans and 40% from Independents. Support from young voters is high (59%) but he is down several points from the margin they gave him in November 2008. His support wanes as voters get older.”

The Zogby Interactive survey of 4,470 likely voters nationwide was conducted July 21-24, 2009 and carries a margin of error of +/- 1.5 percentage points.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1726


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on July 26, 2009, 12:33:20 AM
The bad news for Obama is he is hemorrhaging independents. It's not just Zogby showing that either.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 26, 2009, 02:23:11 AM
pbrower is in fantasyland.  A lot of Dems are.

Comparing Obama in 2012 to Reagan in 1984?

Reagan's "morning in America" campaign worked because the economy was growing.  If he had said it was morning in America and unemploymnet had been at 12%, people would have thought he had a screw loose.  Reagan won because he ran on his record.

We are likely to have a slow recovery. The easy gains from real estate speculation and from predatory or destructive activities (subprime lending, export of jobs) are no longer available. Obama will be unable to impose some economic magic that cuts unemployment levels to the point that inflation becomes a genuine threat, as he does not have command of the economy.

Any recovery in America is going to depend upon import substitution, formation of small businesses, and the likely recovery of industries that have recently had hard times (like the auto industry). Much of this will happen without him doing anything, and he will derive political gain from it.    

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You think Obama can win simply by pointing to the failures of his predecessor?  Absurd!  If Obama can't turn the economy around, no one will care about George Bush.

This is the nastiest economic downturn since the Great Depression. But note well that much of the Great Depression was a recovery from the worst effects of the catastrophic crash.  Even a depression offers opportunities -- so long as people look to the long term and make commitments to underperforming activities (by recent standards) more likely to enrich progeny than to enrich founders. High unemployment ensures that plenty of competent people are able to take on new jobs in start-up activities. Raw materials, equipment, and real estate are available cheaply. Lenders have capital to lend. The 1930s may have been the best time ever for starting a business; consider that something so "normal" in life as the supermarket came into existence then.    

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Obama's re-election is totally dependent on his record.  If his record is defensible, he will be re-elected.  If his record is indefensible, he will not be re-elected.  Pretening that his charisma guarantees him a second term is unserious.

Which may include staying out of the way of necessary change, and keeping the corruption  and cronyism that Dubya fell for out of the federal government. Government activity must be effective and economical; it must create wealth (think of highway projects, conservation, retrofitting buildings for savings of energy, and the like). Even defense spending can be part of the mix; a nutty dictator in North Korea who makes Leonid Brezhnev look like a paragon of decency, caution, and reason may force us into the SDI program that Reagan wanted.

So far I consider it blasphemous to compare Obama to FDR -- but Obama knows his US history. Note well that FDR won a huge landslide victory in 1936 even though the economy had yet recovered the 1929 level of prosperity -- but enough people seemed to believe that America was headed in the right direction.

That will be enough in 2012 to win, if not in a spectacular landslide.    



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on July 26, 2009, 02:35:39 AM
Zogby

48% Approve
49% Disapprove

47% Excellent/Good
53% Fair/Poor

“What is troubling for the President is not only his slide with voters but that they are re-polarized. He is strong with Democrats but only has 6% approval from Republicans and 40% from Independents. Support from young voters is high (59%) but he is down several points from the margin they gave him in November 2008. His support wanes as voters get older.”

The Zogby Interactive survey of 4,470 likely voters nationwide was conducted July 21-24, 2009 and carries a margin of error of +/- 1.5 percentage points.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1726

Dont even bother with Zogby.  They are an online poll and not at all accurate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on July 26, 2009, 02:39:12 AM
pbrower is in fantasyland.  A lot of Dems are.

Comparing Obama in 2012 to Reagan in 1984?

Reagan's "morning in America" campaign worked because the economy was growing.  If he had said it was morning in America and unemploymnet had been at 12%, people would have thought he had a screw loose.  Reagan won because he ran on his record.

We are likely to have a slow recovery. The easy gains from real estate speculation and from predatory or destructive activities (subprime lending, export of jobs) are no longer available. Obama will be unable to impose some economic magic that cuts unemployment levels to the point that inflation becomes a genuine threat, as he does not have command of the economy.

Any recovery in America is going to depend upon import substitution, formation of small businesses, and the likely recovery of industries that have recently had hard times (like the auto industry). Much of this will happen without him doing anything, and he will derive political gain from it.    

Quote
You think Obama can win simply by pointing to the failures of his predecessor?  Absurd!  If Obama can't turn the economy around, no one will care about George Bush.

This is the nastiest economic downturn since the Great Depression. But note well that much of the Great Depression was a recovery from the worst effects of the catastrophic crash.  Even a depression offers opportunities -- so long as people look to the long term and make commitments to underperforming activities (by recent standards) more likely to enrich progeny than to enrich founders. High unemployment ensures that plenty of competent people are able to take on new jobs in start-up activities. Raw materials, equipment, and real estate are available cheaply. Lenders have capital to lend. The 1930s may have been the best time ever for starting a business; consider that something so "normal" in life as the supermarket came into existence then.    

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Obama's re-election is totally dependent on his record.  If his record is defensible, he will be re-elected.  If his record is indefensible, he will not be re-elected.  Pretening that his charisma guarantees him a second term is unserious.

Which may include staying out of the way of necessary change, and keeping the corruption  and cronyism that Dubya fell for out of the federal government. Government activity must be effective and economical; it must create wealth (think of highway projects, conservation, retrofitting buildings for savings of energy, and the like). Even defense spending can be part of the mix; a nutty dictator in North Korea who makes Leonid Brezhnev look like a paragon of decency, caution, and reason may force us into the SDI program that Reagan wanted.

So far I consider it blasphemous to compare Obama to FDR -- but Obama knows his US history. Note well that FDR won a huge landslide victory in 1936 even though the economy had yet recovered the 1929 level of prosperity -- but enough people seemed to believe that America was headed in the right direction.

That will be enough in 2012 to win, if not in a spectacular landslide.    



Things are completely different than they were in the 1930's.  In the 1930's, there wasnt a 24 hour newmedia that picked at every little thing FDR did.  There also wasnt the need for instant gratification that people seem to have today.  People increasingly expect things to turn around fast and if they dont, those in power are in a lot of trouble no matter who they preceeded. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Duke on July 26, 2009, 03:56:34 AM
We are likely to have a slow recovery. The easy gains from real estate speculation and from predatory or destructive activities (subprime lending, export of jobs) are no longer available. Obama will be unable to impose some economic magic that cuts unemployment levels to the point that inflation becomes a genuine threat, as he does not have command of the economy.

Silly Keynesian, inflation is a monetary phenomenon.  Inflation can occur even without meaningful growth (See: Zimbabwe).

And you are right that the recovery will be slow.  It will take up the lions share of this decade, I'm afraid.  That is one of the main reasons I do not see Obama being re-elected: Recovery will not be obvious enough fast enough.

Nor are Obama's programs likely to make things better.

Any recovery in America is going to depend upon import substitution, formation of small businesses, and the likely recovery of industries that have recently had hard times (like the auto industry). Much of this will happen without him doing anything, and he will derive political gain from it.

I agree that growth will need to be driven by small businesses.  But you can't grow small businesses by raising taxes on small businesses or by mandating employer helath coverage.

Small businesses cannot afford to insure their employees because their small workforces give them little pricing power.

Obama's promised tax increase on the rich is actually a tax increase on small businesses.  Small businesses pay what's claled pass through taxation.  That menas taxes are not levied directly on the business' profits, but rather on the income the owner earns from his business.  Tax increases on the top marignal rate hit small businesses primarily, a fact that is apparently not known by the White House.  50% of the top 5% are small business owners and 75% of the top 1% are small business owners.  The owner recieves his share of the profits and pays income tax on his share.  This is how small businesses are taxed.

Which may include staying out of the way of necessary change, and keeping the corruption  and cronyism that Dubya fell for out of the federal government.

The man whose early campaigns were funded by Tony Rezko will be ending corruption?  How do you expect me to take this seriously?

No corruption in the Obama administration?  See: Walpin, Gerald (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Gerald-Walpin-speaks-the-inside-story-of-the-AmeriCorps-firing-48030697.html).

Obama and Emmanuel practice the Chicago Way (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g0RLyxP13o).

Government activity must be effective and economical; it must create wealth (think of highway projects, conservation, retrofitting buildings for savings of energy, and the like).

When Obama starts building highways, be sure to notify me.

Government may retrofit its own buildings, but this is a tiny protion of our energy consumption.  If we end up saving money by retrofitting buildings, it will be because individuals and businesses chose to do it, not government.

Even defense spending can be part of the mix; a nutty dictator in North Korea who makes Leonid Brezhnev look like a paragon of decency, caution, and reason may force us into the SDI program that Reagan wanted.

Er, Obama just ciut missile defense.

So far I consider it blasphemous to compare Obama to FDR -- but Obama knows his US history. Note well that FDR won a huge landslide victory in 1936 even though the economy had yet recovered the 1929 level of prosperity -- but enough people seemed to believe that America was headed in the right direction.

That will be enough in 2012 to win, if not in a spectacular landslide.

Look at the actual data from FDRs first term.  There is a startling rapid improvement in every meaningful stat.  Where do people get this idea that FDR got re-elected without serious recovery?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 26, 2009, 07:14:06 AM

Things are completely different than they were in the 1930's.  In the 1930's, there wasnt a 24 hour newmedia that picked at every little thing FDR did.  There also wasnt the need for instant gratification that people seem to have today.  People increasingly expect things to turn around fast and if they dont, those in power are in a lot of trouble no matter who they preceeded. 

Nobody questions that the news media are different in technology and public reach. FoX Propaganda Channel  and Rush Limbaugh can carp at  Obama 24/7, and like-minded people can share their conspiracy stories about Barack Obama at Free Republic (that he is the Antichrist, that he is the new Hitler, etc.) We have e-mail which allows our friends, relatives, and business associates to reach us with the horror tale of the day which may include a forged screed against Obama or even a faked photograph. How long will it be before someone sends out a forged image of Barack Obama fornicating with a pretty white girl in the Oval office? But that said, we have left wing media as well, not all from established news sources. MSNBC has Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, and Rachel Maddow  attacking right-wing politicians who go too far. There's also the Huffington Post and the Daily Kos. People gravitate to what they like.    

Times are also different from about five years ago. The public mood has changed drastically. We have less tolerance for mediocre, let alone perverse, efforts. George W. Bush could be re-elected, with a little help of his friends (like Kenneth Blackwell) despite his mediocrity or worse as a President. Obama cannot get away with such, and it is just as well.  

And ten. Bill Clinton was not one of our best President; a trimmer, he rode trends. He was the most popular President who accomplished little for decades.  He began as a populist and became a "moderate".  Sure, he got budget surpluses, which is far better than what followed, but that resulted from budgetary gridlock that kept both he and the GOP-dominated Congress from achieving the spending priorities that either wanted.

Or twenty. That's when Communist rule in central and southeastern Europe was in mortal collapse. That's when Poland started having free elections and when Hungary, having  stripped the barbed wire at the Austrian border, became a favorite vacation spot for East Germans who found that they could cross into Austria on a circuitous trip around the internal German borders.

Or thirty, which is when our long-time Iran soured on us, and when Jimmy Carter rode the existing trends of liberalism into identity politics to one of the most smashing defeats by a challenger in American history.  That's about when the electronic media began to resemble what we now have, with 24/7 news coverage.

Or forty, when Nixon was as newly elected as President as Obama is now. Those times are very different from what we know now. The youth-adult generation gap was getting ugly; adults who had something to protect became reactionary. Boomer youth left the idea that they would love to live in a world like the set of Hair and that they had nothing but contempt for institutions that largely worked well.

Need I go on?

The young-adult voters of 2008 trend strongly liberal and Democratic; the younger that they were, the more Democratic they were. The new voters of 2012 have consistently shown themselves much the same. They have heard their parents cursing Big Business for treating people badly -- pushing pay down and offering no semblance of economic security even when things go well. They have seen an unjust bubble in real estate collapse with even-more-severe injustice. They know Dubya as a liar and poseur who shows loyalty only to his financial supporters and to people who "deliver votes". They were taught in school to expect better -- and they have seen a travesty. Such is the culture of our youth. About all that they endorse about capitalism is its productivity and the consumer choice that it allows.

Those are not bad kids. They are not cynical and opportunistic; they are smart and rational. They seem to reject the Religious Right, the only large group that has had any success in convincing people that economic hardships on behalf or rapacious elites are the necessary Will of God. Unlike the "Flower Power" kids of the 1960s they are more likely to convince their parents than to offend them. They have a good work ethic and want to be treated fairly. A society that cheats them out of the Good Life solely to enrich entrenched elites will throw away their virtues -- but one that gives an honest day's pay for an honest days' work and a stake in the system will get very good results. A society that must look for long-term results absolutely must offer rewards that encourage people to stick around, develop skills, and get things done.

Demographics alone suggest that the GOP is in for political hard times for the next few years. The GOP cannot remake itself quickly enough to adapt to the political values of young voters. If things go well, Democrats get the credit; if things go badly, then Republicans get the blame.  To be sure, current young voters will become more politically conservative when they have a stake in the economic system -- when many start having lucrative professions, when some of their start-up businesses turn profitable enough that they are as concerned about keeping their income as they are in earning revenue (taxes and unions becoming threats to profits), and when they start entering management in big corporations. They will become more culturally conservative as their kids enter adolescence -- which has yet to happen -- and start going away from what Mom and Dad want.

If the GOP is to make any political gains between now and 2012, then they will have to come from voters over age 35 or so.  That will be difficult. The GOP has been going more to the Right even as America seems to run from it.  How can the GOP win back enough voters from among people over 35? Your guess is as good as mine.

    

  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 26, 2009, 07:25:27 AM
Zogby

48% Approve
49% Disapprove

47% Excellent/Good
53% Fair/Poor

“What is troubling for the President is not only his slide with voters but that they are re-polarized. He is strong with Democrats but only has 6% approval from Republicans and 40% from Independents. Support from young voters is high (59%) but he is down several points from the margin they gave him in November 2008. His support wanes as voters get older.”

The Zogby Interactive survey of 4,470 likely voters nationwide was conducted July 21-24, 2009 and carries a margin of error of +/- 1.5 percentage points.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1726

Dont even bother with Zogby.  They are an online poll and not at all accurate.

They had him at worse numbers in March.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 26, 2009, 08:09:45 AM
We are likely to have a slow recovery. The easy gains from real estate speculation and from predatory or destructive activities (subprime lending, export of jobs) are no longer available. Obama will be unable to impose some economic magic that cuts unemployment levels to the point that inflation becomes a genuine threat, as he does not have command of the economy.

Silly Keynesian, inflation is a monetary phenomenon.  Inflation can occur even without meaningful growth (See: Zimbabwe).

Silly deflationist, deflation is also a monetary phenomenon. It always results in extreme hardship for any debtor. The Bush Administration and Big Business pushed debt as a surrogate for income, and deflation would make things far worse. Even we Americans have our limits of tolerance for personal ruin and for economic subjection.

And you are right that the recovery will be slow.  It will take up the lions share of this decade, I'm afraid.  That is one of the main reasons I do not see Obama being re-elected: Recovery will not be obvious enough fast enough.

Much as in the 1930s. Reality has set in, and nobody reasonably expects a return to the speculative binge that created the illusory prosperity of the 1920s this decade.

Nor are Obama's programs likely to make things better.

What did the GOP have to offer? Lower wages, tax cuts directed at the super-rich, big cuts in government spending except on defense, subsidies to the well-connected? Deflation to more thoroughly ruin those who had borrowed money for college loans to keep kids from becoming paupers?

Right-wingers are just lucky that the US doesn't have  a strong socialist movement. 

Any recovery in America is going to depend upon import substitution, formation of small businesses, and the likely recovery of industries that have recently had hard times (like the auto industry). Much of this will happen without him doing anything, and he will derive political gain from it.

I agree that growth will need to be driven by small businesses.  But you can't grow small businesses by raising taxes on small businesses or by mandating employer helath coverage.

Small businesses cannot afford to insure their employees because their small workforces give them little pricing power.

Most countries rely upon sales taxes to support their healthcare system. The US makes employees veritable hostages of their employers who offer health insurance out of some supposed pangs of charity.  Whether one buys an all-you-can-eat  buffet meal at some restaurant that pays its employees little or retains a high-priced law firm such a healthcare system ensures that because one has work one can get medical care.

Obama's promised tax increase on the rich is actually a tax increase on small businesses.  Small businesses pay what's called pass through taxation.  That menas taxes are not levied directly on the business' profits, but rather on the income the owner earns from his business.  Tax increases on the top marignal rate hit small businesses primarily, a fact that is apparently not known by the White House.  50% of the top 5% are small business owners and 75% of the top 1% are small business owners.  The owner recieves his share of the profits and pays income tax on his share.  This is how small businesses are taxed.

Most of the small businesses that you describe seem to be professional practices and large family farms -- not the mom-and-pop business struggling for survival on minuscule earnings.


Government activity must be effective and economical; it must create wealth (think of highway projects, conservation, retrofitting buildings for savings of energy, and the like).

When Obama starts building highways, be sure to notify me.

Government may retrofit its own buildings, but this is a tiny protion of our energy consumption.  If we end up saving money by retrofitting buildings, it will be because individuals and businesses chose to do it, not government.

Tax breaks. People got tax breaks for installing new windows with better insulation. 

So far I consider it blasphemous to compare Obama to FDR -- but Obama knows his US history. Note well that FDR won a huge landslide victory in 1936 even though the economy had yet recovered the 1929 level of prosperity -- but enough people seemed to believe that America was headed in the right direction.

That will be enough in 2012 to win, if not in a spectacular landslide.

Look at the actual data from FDRs first term.  There is a startling rapid improvement in every meaningful stat.  Where do people get this idea that FDR got re-elected without serious recovery?

Division of a small number by a much smaller number gets a big number. If a country like Burma or Laos ever gets its economic act together then it could easily have a spectacular growth rate. FDR had a huge growth rate for the economy because the 1929-1932 meltdown had utterly ravaged the US economy.

This gives some idea of how badly the valuations of common stock went in 1929, 1973, 2000, and 2007:

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I can't tell you whether the current improvement is the start of something big -- or a suckers' rally (the 1929-1933 meltdown had one that looks much like the current gain in stock values)... but we seem to be in better shape than we were in a couple moths ago.

Don't fool yourself; the 2007-2009 Bad Bear followed the decline curve of the 1929-1933 bear for a couple of months, even going below in some weeks. This is a really bad one, and everyone knows it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: FloridaRepublican on July 26, 2009, 08:26:04 AM
"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 29% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -11. That’s the first time his ratings have reached double digits in negative territory" -- Rasmussen Reports, Sunday, July 26, 2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DS0816 on July 26, 2009, 11:58:18 AM

Can Obama fail? Sure. His judgment could prove faulty, and his liberalism can conceivably go too far. He could be the recipient of some incredible misfortune. That said, his personality seems right for the role, and he gets much leeway after a bad President. Right now it seems just as likely that Obama will win re-election in an Eisenhower-style landslide or be defeated.
Take 100 electoral votes from Obama's 2008 victory and he ends up with 265 EV and a loss; add 100 and he ends up with 465 EV and a huge landslide.

You're a smart individual.

The changing demographics. The 18-29 voters. Part of that group that will, for Election 2012, move into 30-44 while new 18-29 voters emerge. The fact that all age groups except those 65 and over … voted, in Election 2008, for Barack Obama. Men, too. And, yet, reduced overall support in party indentification for the GOP who were exposed, via the Bush administration, for the empty shells they are…

Some people here are doing a whole lotta fantasizing. They're dreaming there's a movement back to Republican Party rule while the country is realigning against the GOP.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on July 26, 2009, 12:12:55 PM

Can Obama fail? Sure. His judgment could prove faulty, and his liberalism can conceivably go too far. He could be the recipient of some incredible misfortune. That said, his personality seems right for the role, and he gets much leeway after a bad President. Right now it seems just as likely that Obama will win re-election in an Eisenhower-style landslide or be defeated.
Take 100 electoral votes from Obama's 2008 victory and he ends up with 265 EV and a loss; add 100 and he ends up with 465 EV and a huge landslide.

You're a smart individual.

The changing demographics. The 18-29 voters. Part of that group that will, for Election 2012, move into 30-44 while new 18-29 voters emerge. The fact that all age groups except those 65 and over … voted, in Election 2008, for Barack Obama. Men, too. And, yet, reduced overall support in party indentification for the GOP who were exposed, via the Bush administration, for the empty shells they are…

Some people here are doing a whole lotta fantasizing. They're dreaming there's a movement back to Republican Party rule while the country is realigning against the GOP.




It's no longer Nov 2008.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 26, 2009, 12:28:15 PM
"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 29% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -11. That’s the first time his ratings have reached double digits in negative territory" -- Rasmussen Reports, Sunday, July 26, 2009

All that tells me is this president is being held to a very high standard. Even post-Katrina, I can only recall Bush's strongly disapprove rating hovering around 46% and pretty much staying there

While the economy remains as it is, the trajectory for this president seems likely to echo Reagan's. He, of course, was saved by robust growth, and falling unemployment, in the later period of his first term after what was a pretty nasty recession. Unfortunately, for this president, capitalism is more universal nowadays and, consequently, there are more significant players out there

Bottom-line, if people are expecting miracles seventh months into the Obama presidency, then that is wishful thinking and the challenge is for the president to prove his doubters wrong. Healthcare, for a start, would be an easier sell were the economy not as it is. And like all those faced with challenging times before him, he is going to have to be bold. FDR, of course, never had such the wide range of special interests lined up against him, while both he and LBJ had been given thumping mandates bty the electorate

It ain't easy being a Democrat considering the ideological nature of America, especially given the recalcitrant nature of the Right, for whom Bush's only folly was to spend too much


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: FloridaRepublican on July 26, 2009, 12:29:36 PM
"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 29% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -11. That’s the first time his ratings have reached double digits in negative territory" -- Rasmussen Reports, Sunday, July 26, 2009

All that tells me is this president is being held to a very high standard. Even post-Katrina, I can only recall Bush's strongly disapprove rating hovering around 46% and pretty much staying there

While the economy remains as it is, the trajectory for this president seems likely to echo Reagan's. He, of course, was saved by robust growth, and falling unemployment, in the later period of his first term after what was a pretty nasty recession. Unfortunately, for this president, capitalism is more universal nowadays and, consequently, there are more significant players out there

Bottom-line, if people are expecting miracles seventh months into the Obama presidency, then that is wishful thinking and the challenge is for the president to prove his doubters wrong. Healthcare, for a start, would be an easier sell were the economy not as it is. And like all those faced with challenging times before him, he is going to have to be bold. FDR, of course, never had such the wide range of special interests lined up against him, while both he and LBJ had been given thumping mandate

It ain't easy being a Democrat considering the ideological nature of America, especially given the recalcitrant nature of the Right, for whom Bush's only folly was to spend too much

You can't even compare Obama to Reagan or FDR or even LBJ.  And if anything, it's the left that's recalcitrant.  Or at least they were when Bush was president.  The right is only giving them a taste of their own medicine.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 26, 2009, 01:47:09 PM
"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 29% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -11. That’s the first time his ratings have reached double digits in negative territory" -- Rasmussen Reports, Sunday, July 26, 2009

All that tells me is this president is being held to a very high standard. Even post-Katrina, I can only recall Bush's strongly disapprove rating hovering around 46% and pretty much staying there

While the economy remains as it is, the trajectory for this president seems likely to echo Reagan's. He, of course, was saved by robust growth, and falling unemployment, in the later period of his first term after what was a pretty nasty recession. Unfortunately, for this president, capitalism is more universal nowadays and, consequently, there are more significant players out there

Bottom-line, if people are expecting miracles seventh months into the Obama presidency, then that is wishful thinking and the challenge is for the president to prove his doubters wrong. Healthcare, for a start, would be an easier sell were the economy not as it is. And like all those faced with challenging times before him, he is going to have to be bold. FDR, of course, never had such the wide range of special interests lined up against him, while both he and LBJ had been given thumping mandate

It ain't easy being a Democrat considering the ideological nature of America, especially given the recalcitrant nature of the Right, for whom Bush's only folly was to spend too much

You can't even compare Obama to Reagan or FDR or even LBJ.  And if anything, it's the left that's recalcitrant.  Or at least they were when Bush was president.  The right is only giving them a taste of their own medicine.

Can you read or not? I'm not comparing Obama to Reagan, FDR or LBJ. As for Bush, my criticism only ever centred on the man's ineptitude

This president hasn't been bequeathed a robust economy that had generated 23 million jobs or a federal government living well within its means, which means that about the only certainty is that Obama has a steep climb ahead of him, which, sooner or later, will require bold, and not necessarily popular, action - and that, in my book, is leadership. The action taken in respect of General Motors, for example, has hardly proven to be the most popular decision the president has made, now has it?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on July 26, 2009, 02:04:59 PM
You can't even compare Obama to Reagan or FDR or even LBJ.  And if anything, it's the left that's recalcitrant.  Or at least they were when Bush was president.  The right is only giving them a taste of their own medicine.

Yeah, it's all the fault of the recalcitrant left who voted against Bush's tax cuts, the Patriot Act, the Iraq War, Bush's Prescription Drug Benefit, etc.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: FloridaRepublican on July 26, 2009, 02:19:26 PM
You can't even compare Obama to Reagan or FDR or even LBJ.  And if anything, it's the left that's recalcitrant.  Or at least they were when Bush was president.  The right is only giving them a taste of their own medicine.

Yeah, it's all the fault of the recalcitrant left who voted against Bush's tax cuts, the Patriot Act, the Iraq War, Bush's Prescription Drug Benefit, etc.

Actually the Iraq War would have went much smoother had the left not kept getting in the way of Bush's actions and constantly criticizing him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 26, 2009, 02:30:02 PM
You can't even compare Obama to Reagan or FDR or even LBJ.  And if anything, it's the left that's recalcitrant.  Or at least they were when Bush was president.  The right is only giving them a taste of their own medicine.

Yeah, it's all the fault of the recalcitrant left who voted against Bush's tax cuts, the Patriot Act, the Iraq War, Bush's Prescription Drug Benefit, etc.

Actually the Iraq War would have went much smoother had the left not kept getting in the way of Bush's actions and constantly criticizing him.

Where are those WMDs again?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 26, 2009, 02:42:33 PM
Gallup 7/26/09

Approve 56% (+1)

Disapprove 37% (-2)

http://www.gallup.com/poll/politics.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on July 26, 2009, 03:13:34 PM
You can't even compare Obama to Reagan or FDR or even LBJ.  And if anything, it's the left that's recalcitrant.  Or at least they were when Bush was president.  The right is only giving them a taste of their own medicine.

Yeah, it's all the fault of the recalcitrant left who voted against Bush's tax cuts, the Patriot Act, the Iraq War, Bush's Prescription Drug Benefit, etc.

Actually the Iraq War would have went much smoother had the left not kept getting in the way of Bush's actions and constantly criticizing him.

Tell me again why you hate Chavez, Putin and Ahmedinejad?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: FloridaRepublican on July 26, 2009, 03:26:57 PM
You can't even compare Obama to Reagan or FDR or even LBJ.  And if anything, it's the left that's recalcitrant.  Or at least they were when Bush was president.  The right is only giving them a taste of their own medicine.

Yeah, it's all the fault of the recalcitrant left who voted against Bush's tax cuts, the Patriot Act, the Iraq War, Bush's Prescription Drug Benefit, etc.

Actually the Iraq War would have went much smoother had the left not kept getting in the way of Bush's actions and constantly criticizing him.

Tell me again why you hate Chavez, Putin and Ahmedinejad?

Because they're tyrannical dictators


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on July 26, 2009, 03:46:35 PM
You can't even compare Obama to Reagan or FDR or even LBJ.  And if anything, it's the left that's recalcitrant.  Or at least they were when Bush was president.  The right is only giving them a taste of their own medicine.

Yeah, it's all the fault of the recalcitrant left who voted against Bush's tax cuts, the Patriot Act, the Iraq War, Bush's Prescription Drug Benefit, etc.

Actually the Iraq War would have went much smoother had the left not kept getting in the way of Bush's actions and constantly criticizing him.

Tell me again why you hate Chavez, Putin and Ahmedinejad?

Because they're tyrannical dictators

Thanks for the clarification.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on July 26, 2009, 04:12:38 PM
You can't even compare Obama to Reagan or FDR or even LBJ.  And if anything, it's the left that's recalcitrant.  Or at least they were when Bush was president.  The right is only giving them a taste of their own medicine.

Yeah, it's all the fault of the recalcitrant left who voted against Bush's tax cuts, the Patriot Act, the Iraq War, Bush's Prescription Drug Benefit, etc.

Actually the Iraq War would have went much smoother had the left not kept getting in the way of Bush's actions and constantly criticizing him.
No.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Duke on July 26, 2009, 06:19:48 PM
We are likely to have a slow recovery. The easy gains from real estate speculation and from predatory or destructive activities (subprime lending, export of jobs) are no longer available. Obama will be unable to impose some economic magic that cuts unemployment levels to the point that inflation becomes a genuine threat, as he does not have command of the economy.

Silly Keynesian, inflation is a monetary phenomenon.  Inflation can occur even without meaningful growth (See: Zimbabwe).

Silly deflationist, deflation is also a monetary phenomenon. It always results in extreme hardship for any debtor. The Bush Administration and Big Business pushed debt as a surrogate for income, and deflation would make things far worse. Even we Americans have our limits of tolerance for personal ruin and for economic subjection.

What I'm telling you is not that deflation is good.  I don't know how you got that idea.

What I am telling you is that:
a) The Fed should be tasked with handling the recovery because only they have the tools and expertise to control price level
b) The stimulus ties the Fed's hands by forcing them to monetize more debt than they want to and
c) If you force the Fed to monetize more debt than they want to you can get inflation without growth

You seem to be under the impression that we won't have inflation period.  I think that view is tragically mistaken.  The Fed has managed to keep price level steady, avoiding deflation or inflation, since the crash began.  How much longer will they be able to keep price level steady with our current fiscal policy?  The only way for them to keep price level steady will be to raise interest rates, which will slow the recovery further.

Shoulda let the Fed do its job, guys.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on July 26, 2009, 06:24:27 PM
Actually the Iraq War would have went much smoother had the left not kept getting in the way of Bush's actions and constantly criticizing him.

Really?  Was it the Left's fault that Rumsfeld badly mismanaged the War, or that Bush didn't have a plan for the post Hussein era?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 26, 2009, 08:18:34 PM
We are likely to have a slow recovery. The easy gains from real estate speculation and from predatory or destructive activities (subprime lending, export of jobs) are no longer available. Obama will be unable to impose some economic magic that cuts unemployment levels to the point that inflation becomes a genuine threat, as he does not have command of the economy.

Silly Keynesian, inflation is a monetary phenomenon.  Inflation can occur even without meaningful growth (See: Zimbabwe).

Silly deflationist, deflation is also a monetary phenomenon. It always results in extreme hardship for any debtor. The Bush Administration and Big Business pushed debt as a surrogate for income, and deflation would make things far worse. Even we Americans have our limits of tolerance for personal ruin and for economic subjection.

What I'm telling you is not that deflation is good.  I don't know how you got that idea.

What I am telling you is that:
a) The Fed should be tasked with handling the recovery because only they have the tools and expertise to control price level
b) The stimulus ties the Fed's hands by forcing them to monetize more debt than they want to and
c) If you force the Fed to monetize more debt than they want to you can get inflation without growth


a) I agree.

b) If the debt results from government spending in an under-heated economy, then such is simply arithmetic. The debt may do no obvious immediate good -- let us say, that it pays off foreign creditors  -- in which it "simply" realizes the worthlessness of what we borrowed for. Going heavily into debt to keep up appearances or to go on spending binges has always been bad economy for a person -- and a people. 

c) You are discussing destructive inflation -- the sort that makes a mockery of thrift. The government $crews its creditors -- bond-holders -- through a repudiation of debt in all but name. Assets go into inflation-dodges, and people think only of the short term. Savings accounts, government and industry bonds,  and insurance policies (the usual means of financing long-term investments) lose their value or become extremely unpopular. People with money to lend do what they can to lend outside their economy.   But John Maynard Keynes  explained that situation very well, too, and he offered an obvious solution: raise taxes, cut spending, and shrink the money supply.

It is unwise to confuse fiscal policy and monetary policy. Government spending does not itself create inflation -- so long as the government is able to cut consumption (the least of our problems right now, thank you).

The quantity theory of money, prices, and exchange is a basic equation of economics:

   MV  = PT

M is the money supply, V is the velocity of money, P is the price level (not an inflation rate!), and T is the real value of transactions. It's easy to believe that V and T are fixed -- but toward the Keynesian "liquidity trap" (people are hoarding cash because they dare not take any risks of consuming more than the bare minimum), an increase in the money supply might be completely ineffective in getting people to spend more because PT is fixed and the velocity of money shrinks to accommodate the increased amount of money in hoards.  With an overheated economy an increase of the money supply leads to a similar increase in the price level (a/k/a inflation); thus a 5% increase in the money supply leads to roughly a 5% increase in the price level. When the money-issuing authority goes wild with the printing press, things really go bad -- current Zimbabwe, Germany in the 1920s, China and Hungary in the late 1940s.  Because creditors are the most reliable conservers of wealth, such inflation implies big trouble.

Zero inflation is an impossible goal if one wants to reduce unemployment, but even worse than a minuscule amount of inflation is the effort needed to achieve it. 

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You seem to be under the impression that we won't have inflation period.  I think that view is tragically mistaken.  The Fed has managed to keep price level steady, avoiding deflation or inflation, since the crash began.  How much longer will they be able to keep price level steady with our current fiscal policy?  The only way for them to keep price level steady will be to raise interest rates, which will slow the recovery further.

Shoulda let the Fed do its job, guys.
[/quote]

Monetary policy can precipitate economic collapses, but no evidence exists that it can get a nation out of a depression or even a recession.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smash255 on July 26, 2009, 11:27:25 PM
You can't even compare Obama to Reagan or FDR or even LBJ.  And if anything, it's the left that's recalcitrant.  Or at least they were when Bush was president.  The right is only giving them a taste of their own medicine.

Yeah, it's all the fault of the recalcitrant left who voted against Bush's tax cuts, the Patriot Act, the Iraq War, Bush's Prescription Drug Benefit, etc.

Actually the Iraq War would have went much smoother had the left not kept getting in the way of Bush's actions and constantly criticizing him.

Ok so wait.  Your attempting to argue that the Iraq war went the way it did because of people who held protests and not  because of the people within the Bush administration who made the decisions and  'planning'  (cough)??  Is that what your trying to argue here??


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on July 26, 2009, 11:53:03 PM
pbrower is in fantasyland.  A lot of Dems are.

Comparing Obama in 2012 to Reagan in 1984?

Reagan's "morning in America" campaign worked because the economy was growing.  I fhe had said it was morning in America and unemploymnet had been at 12%, people would have thought he had a screw loose.  Reagan won because he ran on his record.

What was Reagan's record in July 1981?  Was it the same as it was in November 1984?

I don't think so.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Duke on July 27, 2009, 01:19:46 AM
Sigh.  No one said all government spening is inflationary.  But if government spending forces the central bank to monetize debt (as is happenning now) it will be inflationary.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 27, 2009, 07:40:11 AM
Arizona (Rasmussen):

46% Approve
53% Disapprove

(Gov. Jan Brewer)

48% Approve
48% Disapprove

Generally speaking, do you strongly favor, somewhat favor, somewhat oppose or strongly oppose the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and the congressional Democrats?

45% Favor
52% Oppose

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Arizona was conducted by Rasmussen Reports July 21, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/arizona/toplines/toplines_arizona_july_21_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on July 27, 2009, 07:53:07 AM

Let them be sick and die then.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 27, 2009, 08:12:47 AM
New poll in Arizona:

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It replaces an old one, and nothing really changes. It's Rasmussen's "likely voters" screen which likely underestimates younger potential voters. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dan the Roman on July 27, 2009, 08:14:25 AM

And let them be unemployed. The whole reason the US manufacturing sector has been collapsing for the last ten years is because of the lack of government healthcare which makes it impossible to compete with what is a massive government subsidy anywhere else in the world.

Granted Obama deserves his approval rating for badly mismanaging the healthcare debate and not casting it in economic terms where there is no sane opposition.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on July 27, 2009, 12:28:24 PM
Actually the Iraq War would have went much smoother had the left not kept getting in the way of Bush's actions and constantly criticizing him.
Comedy goldmine here.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on July 27, 2009, 12:40:35 PM
Sigh.  No one said all government spening is inflationary.  But if government spending forces the central bank to monetize debt (as is happenning now) it will be inflationary.
What would be bad about inflation if we are starting to get into levels of big amounts of deflation...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: jamestroll on July 27, 2009, 12:58:17 PM
You know, I am starting to revert back to this:

Bush + Obama = Death of America.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on July 27, 2009, 01:08:11 PM
If only we had elected Hillary, huh James?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on July 27, 2009, 06:34:23 PM
It says on Pollster.com (which combines all polls) that he has a 51.1% approval rating, and a 45% disapproval rating, in the most sensitive version. It also says he has a 47.6% approval/46.9 disapproval on the economy, 55.2 approval/35.4 disapproval on foreign policy, and a 46.2 approval/43.9 disapproval on health care.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Duke on July 27, 2009, 07:57:33 PM
Sigh.  No one said all government spening is inflationary.  But if government spending forces the central bank to monetize debt (as is happenning now) it will be inflationary.
What would be bad about inflation if we are starting to get into levels of big amounts of deflation...

You don't want inflation or deflation.  You want price stability.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BM on July 28, 2009, 03:18:37 PM
Gallup:

54% (-2)
37% (+1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ronnie on July 28, 2009, 03:44:43 PM
Droppin' steadily...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on July 28, 2009, 04:05:21 PM
54% is his lowest ever in Gallup polling. Considering Gallup does adults and Rasmussen does likely voters, it's pretty plausible that Rasmussen's number isn't as far off as the left would want to believe.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 28, 2009, 04:36:41 PM

Droppin' steadily, then rising, then droppin' steadily again - it would seem


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on July 28, 2009, 04:41:44 PM

Droppin' steadily, then rising, then droppin' steadily again - it would seem

His approvals use to be much higher. What are you smoking?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Beet on July 28, 2009, 04:55:44 PM
Given this economy, he was always going to drop below 50... it was inevitable. Although I must say I am surprised at both his honeymoon (the only President I really remember coming into office while I followed politics was George Bush, and he didn't really have much of a honeymoon, so this is the first "honeymoon" for me) and the speed at which it suddenly collapsed starting around mid June, about 5 months into his Presidency.

The question, as I believe someone pointed out several months ago, is when he gets back over 50.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 28, 2009, 06:52:07 PM

Droppin' steadily, then rising, then droppin' steadily again - it would seem

His approvals use to be much higher. What are you smoking?

That they did - and they'll ebb and flow, no doubt, upwards or downwards, for the duration of his presidency depend on events and how he responds to them, as well as the, overall, state of the economy. The honeymoon is over. Question is can he and congressional Democrats hold their nerve? Tough choices lie ahead - and they aren't, by any means, always going to be popular


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on July 28, 2009, 07:18:11 PM
Given this economy, he was always going to drop below 50... it was inevitable. Although I must say I am surprised at both his honeymoon (the only President I really remember coming into office while I followed politics was George Bush, and he didn't really have much of a honeymoon, so this is the first "honeymoon" for me) and the speed at which it suddenly collapsed starting around mid June, about 5 months into his Presidency.

The question, as I believe someone pointed out several months ago, is when he gets back over 50.

He isn't under 50 on average yet but he probably will be in the not so distance future. I agree that your question is the right one though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on July 28, 2009, 07:35:24 PM
NPR

Approve 53%
Disapprove 42%

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111194032&ps=cprs


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ronnie on July 28, 2009, 07:53:56 PM
NPR

Approve 53%
Disapprove 42%

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111194032&ps=cprs

Does anyone know whether they polled likely, registered, or adult voters?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on July 28, 2009, 08:28:39 PM
It's RV.

Look folks, as I've said before, the economy will drive Obama's ratings to a large extent. 

But if Obama is going to attempt to drive legislation through the way he's done, you're going to see something similar to Bush's trendline in the absence of 9/11 and Iraq.  Of course, some other events can occur (similar to 9/11) to affect these numbers (and probably will).  And if the economy were to turn into mid-80s or late-90s style, then you'll definitely see the trendline broken.  I don't see the latter, of course, at all, but just as a hypo...

Presently, Obama's numbers are a bit artificially low temporarily (like maybe 2%-3%) because of the complete mishandling of this Gates thing.  They should bounce up again once this gets out of the news.  The trendline is still there, however,


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ronnie on July 28, 2009, 08:39:49 PM
Is RV the most accurate of methods at the moment?

It seems as if LVs are the least favorable toward Obama, RVs are kind of middle of the road, and Adult Voters favor Obama.  Am I correct in my assessment.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on July 28, 2009, 08:40:33 PM
It's RV.

Look folks, as I've said before, the economy will drive Obama's ratings to a large extent. 

But if Obama is going to attempt to drive legislation through the way he's done, you're going to see something similar to Bush's trendline in the absence of 9/11 and Iraq.  Of course, some other events can occur (similar to 9/11) to affect these numbers (and probably will).  And if the economy were to turn into mid-80s or late-90s style, then you'll definitely see the trendline broken.  I don't see the latter, of course, at all, but just as a hypo...

,

I dont think the economy will look the way it did in mid 80's or late 90's anytime soon.  Probably not until around 2016 or later. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on July 28, 2009, 08:45:00 PM
Is RV the most accurate of methods at the moment?

It seems as if LVs are the least favorable toward Obama, RVs are kind of middle of the road, and Adult Voters favor Obama.  Am I correct in my assessment.

I am naturally inclined to believe RVs are the best measure at this point.  Adults will of course, favor Democrats.  I don't know what a LV is right now.

Though honestly, the difference between RV and LV has not shown up in PPP vs. Rasmussen.  But of course, I tend to believe that a computer-pollster effect exists, comparing SUSA (adults), PPP (RV) and Rasmussen (LV) with other polling firms.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on July 28, 2009, 10:21:02 PM

Funny talking like that about Arizona. That's where many of the elderly reside in their retirement. Your wish will certainly come true for them under nationalized healthcare.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on July 29, 2009, 04:27:04 AM
I still think Obama will be a popular president. I'm also thinking that his lowest rate may be 45 pc but he will, like every president before, regain popularity. I think that he's calculating what he's doing and BTW he is smarter than Bush or Clinton.
He has and will always have a strong popularity among Blacks and Liberals, having 2/3 or at least 1/2 of the latino support and at least 40 pc of the White support.
American Electoral Landscape is changing and the only descent republican for the future is Charlie Crist


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 29, 2009, 06:05:36 AM
I still think Obama will be a popular president. I'm also thinking that his lowest rate may be 45 pc but he will, like every president before, regain popularity. I think that he's calculating what he's doing and BTW he is smarter than Bush or Clinton.
He has and will always have a strong popularity among Blacks and Liberals, having 2/3 or at least 1/2 of the latino support and at least 40 pc of the White support.
American Electoral Landscape is changing and the only descent republican for the future is Charlie Crist

I whole heartedly agree with that. Future Senator Crist should run in 2016.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 29, 2009, 10:16:02 AM
Battleground Poll (The Tarrance Group and Lake Research Partners):

53% Approve (40% Strongly, DEM: 90-6, REP: 18-78, IND: 42-50)
42% Disapprove (37% Strongly)

Whether you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling his job as President, what is your impression of Barack Obama as a person? Do you approve or disapprove of him?

72% Approve
20% Disapprove

Favorable Ratings:

Obama: 61% Favorable, 36% Unfavorable
Biden: 49% Favorable, 38% Unfavorable
Palin: 42% Favorable, 47% Unfavorable

Composition of sample: 42% DEM, 37% REP, 19% IND, 1% OTHER, 1% REFUSED

1000 Registered "Likely" Voters, July 19-23, 2009

The George Washington University Battleground Poll is a collaborative bi-partisan survey produced by Republican strategist Ed Goeas of The Tarrance Group and Democrat Celinda Lake of Lake Research Partners.

http://www.tarrance.com/BG-37-questionnaire.pdf

http://www.tarrance.com/Battleground37GOPAnalysisCharts.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 29, 2009, 10:23:19 AM
It's interesting that the Battleground Poll and the NPR Survey (both conducted by bipartisan institutes) have the same approval numbers. Both use Likely Voter Models. I guess both of them have live callers. So is it really the computer that makes up the 10%-difference from Rasmussen ?

Last time I checked Rasmussen, they had just 80% of Democrats approving, while this poll has 90% approving. Why this difference ? Rasmussen also says Independents are split, while this poll shows a leaning towards disapproval. Probably Republicans at Rasmussen disapprove by a bigger margin as well.

If you look at page 2 of the Battleground release

http://www.tarrance.com/Battleground37GOPAnalysisCharts.pdf

you will notice why Adult polls differ by about 5% from LV polls. Minority voters and therefore Democrats are far less likely to state that they "are likely to vote".


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 29, 2009, 10:43:04 AM
Quote
72% Approve
20% Disapprove

Um... what?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 29, 2009, 10:45:09 AM
Quote
72% Approve
20% Disapprove

Um... what?

That is if Americans approve of him "as a person".

Don't ask me what the difference between this and the 61% favorable rating is though ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 29, 2009, 10:47:21 AM
Quote
72% Approve
20% Disapprove

Um... what?

That is if Americans approve of him "as a person".

Don't ask me what the difference between this and the 61% favorable rating is though ...

Aren't favourable/unfavourable polls asking whether you like him "as a person"?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 29, 2009, 10:51:37 AM
Quote
72% Approve
20% Disapprove

Um... what?

That is if Americans approve of him "as a person".

Don't ask me what the difference between this and the 61% favorable rating is though ...

Aren't favourable/unfavourable polls asking whether you like him "as a person"?

Yeah of course, that's why I said "Don't ask me what the difference is" ... :P

Maybe people are more inclined to think about the job he's doing when asked about favorability, rather than just the black/white definition if Obama's a good or bad person ...

So, "Favorability" could be a mixture of his personality and job approval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 29, 2009, 10:54:23 AM
New Jersey (PPP):

53% Approve
39% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 552 New Jersey voters from July 24th to 27th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-4.2%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NJ_729.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 29, 2009, 11:09:42 AM
Plus: A new WSJ/NBC poll will be released at 6:30 pm Eastern.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pogo stick on July 29, 2009, 11:13:44 AM
I still think Obama will be a popular president. I'm also thinking that his lowest rate may be 45 pc but he will, like every president before, regain popularity. I think that he's calculating what he's doing and BTW he is smarter than Bush or Clinton.
He has and will always have a strong popularity among Blacks and Liberals, having 2/3 or at least 1/2 of the latino support and at least 40 pc of the White support.
American Electoral Landscape is changing and the only descent republican for the future is Charlie Crist

I whole heartedly agree with that. Future Senator Crist should run in 2016.

Why so His scandals can become national and destroy any chances for the GOP to win  in 2016 or 2020?

Crist has too many skeletons in the closet.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on July 29, 2009, 11:23:14 AM
I still think Obama will be a popular president. I'm also thinking that his lowest rate may be 45 pc but he will, like every president before, regain popularity. I think that he's calculating what he's doing and BTW he is smarter than Bush or Clinton.
He has and will always have a strong popularity among Blacks and Liberals, having 2/3 or at least 1/2 of the latino support and at least 40 pc of the White support.
American Electoral Landscape is changing and the only descent republican for the future is Charlie Crist

I whole heartedly agree with that. Future Senator Crist should run in 2016.

Why so His scandals can become national and destroy any chances for the GOP to win  in 2016 or 2020?

Crist has too many skeletons in the closet.
well quote them ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on July 29, 2009, 11:32:17 AM
I still think Obama will be a popular president. I'm also thinking that his lowest rate may be 45 pc but he will, like every president before, regain popularity. I think that he's calculating what he's doing and BTW he is smarter than Bush or Clinton.
He has and will always have a strong popularity among Blacks and Liberals, having 2/3 or at least 1/2 of the latino support and at least 40 pc of the White support.
American Electoral Landscape is changing and the only descent republican for the future is Charlie Crist

I whole heartedly agree with that. Future Senator Crist should run in 2016.

Why so His scandals can become national and destroy any chances for the GOP to win  in 2016 or 2020?

Crist has too many skeletons in the closet.
well quote them ...

His closet homosexuality.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on July 29, 2009, 11:36:33 AM
I still think Obama will be a popular president. I'm also thinking that his lowest rate may be 45 pc but he will, like every president before, regain popularity. I think that he's calculating what he's doing and BTW he is smarter than Bush or Clinton.
He has and will always have a strong popularity among Blacks and Liberals, having 2/3 or at least 1/2 of the latino support and at least 40 pc of the White support.
American Electoral Landscape is changing and the only descent republican for the future is Charlie Crist

I whole heartedly agree with that. Future Senator Crist should run in 2016.

Why so His scandals can become national and destroy any chances for the GOP to win  in 2016 or 2020?

Crist has too many skeletons in the closet.
well quote them ...

His closet homosexuality.

Damn, those homophobe Democrats! 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on July 29, 2009, 12:07:57 PM
Battleground Poll (The Tarrance Group and Lake Research Partners):

53% Approve (40% Strongly, DEM: 90-6, REP: 18-78, IND: 42-50)
42% Disapprove (37% Strongly)

Whether you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling his job as President, what is your impression of Barack Obama as a person? Do you approve or disapprove of him?

72% Approve
20% Disapprove

Favorable Ratings:

Obama: 61% Favorable, 36% Unfavorable
Biden: 49% Favorable, 38% Unfavorable
Palin: 42% Favorable, 47% Unfavorable

Composition of sample: 42% DEM, 37% REP, 19% IND, 1% OTHER, 1% REFUSED

1000 Registered "Likely" Voters, July 19-23, 2009

The George Washington University Battleground Poll is a collaborative bi-partisan survey produced by Republican strategist Ed Goeas of The Tarrance Group and Democrat Celinda Lake of Lake Research Partners.

http://www.tarrance.com/BG-37-questionnaire.pdf

http://www.tarrance.com/Battleground37GOPAnalysisCharts.pdf

Wow, that is surprisingly... positive.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on July 29, 2009, 12:29:31 PM
I still think Obama will be a popular president. I'm also thinking that his lowest rate may be 45 pc but he will, like every president before, regain popularity. I think that he's calculating what he's doing and BTW he is smarter than Bush or Clinton.
He has and will always have a strong popularity among Blacks and Liberals, having 2/3 or at least 1/2 of the latino support and at least 40 pc of the White support.
American Electoral Landscape is changing and the only descent republican for the future is Charlie Crist

I whole heartedly agree with that. Future Senator Crist should run in 2016.

Why so His scandals can become national and destroy any chances for the GOP to win  in 2016 or 2020?

Crist has too many skeletons in the closet.
well quote them ...

His closet homosexuality.
well is that a man?
http://www.francollc.com/MainIndex/AboutUs/pics/CAROLE.jpg


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BM on July 29, 2009, 12:33:58 PM
Gallup:

53% (-1)
39% (+2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on July 29, 2009, 12:34:45 PM
He is now at his lowest approval from Gallup and his highest disapproval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on July 29, 2009, 01:37:23 PM
TIME

Approve 56%
Disapprove 38%

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1913426,00.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on July 29, 2009, 01:43:43 PM
He is now at his lowest approval from Gallup and his highest disapproval.

Does that get you hot?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 29, 2009, 02:26:26 PM
New Jersey (PPP):

53% Approve
39% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 552 New Jersey voters from July 24th to 27th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-4.2%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NJ_729.pdf

That, believe it or not, is 1-point net approval gain :) on PPP's last NJ poll (July 1, 2009)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 29, 2009, 02:47:58 PM
Battleground Poll (The Tarrance Group and Lake Research Partners):

53% Approve (40% Strongly, DEM: 90-6, REP: 18-78, IND: 42-50)
42% Disapprove (37% Strongly)

Whether you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling his job as President, what is your impression of Barack Obama as a person? Do you approve or disapprove of him?

72% Approve
20% Disapprove

Favorable Ratings:

Obama: 61% Favorable, 36% Unfavorable
Biden: 49% Favorable, 38% Unfavorable
Palin: 42% Favorable, 47% Unfavorable

Composition of sample: 42% DEM, 37% REP, 19% IND, 1% OTHER, 1% REFUSED

1000 Registered "Likely" Voters, July 19-23, 2009

The George Washington University Battleground Poll is a collaborative bi-partisan survey produced by Republican strategist Ed Goeas of The Tarrance Group and Democrat Celinda Lake of Lake Research Partners.

http://www.tarrance.com/BG-37-questionnaire.pdf

http://www.tarrance.com/Battleground37GOPAnalysisCharts.pdf

This poll is encouraging re-healthcare and energy. The pollsters offered respondents a choice between the Democrat and the Republican "message" on healthcare and energy, as to which they most agreed with, and Democrats win the debate on healthcare (51-42) and energy (52-40)

Interestingly, while the Democratic Party edges out the Republican Party in terms of who is doing a good job (4.4-3.9), Republicans lead 42-43 on the generic ballot


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 29, 2009, 03:10:46 PM
Battleground Poll (The Tarrance Group and Lake Research Partners):

53% Approve (40% Strongly, DEM: 90-6, REP: 18-78, IND: 42-50)
42% Disapprove (37% Strongly)

Whether you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling his job as President, what is your impression of Barack Obama as a person? Do you approve or disapprove of him?

72% Approve
20% Disapprove

Favorable Ratings:

Obama: 61% Favorable, 36% Unfavorable
Biden: 49% Favorable, 38% Unfavorable
Palin: 42% Favorable, 47% Unfavorable

Composition of sample: 42% DEM, 37% REP, 19% IND, 1% OTHER, 1% REFUSED

1000 Registered "Likely" Voters, July 19-23, 2009

The George Washington University Battleground Poll is a collaborative bi-partisan survey produced by Republican strategist Ed Goeas of The Tarrance Group and Democrat Celinda Lake of Lake Research Partners.

http://www.tarrance.com/BG-37-questionnaire.pdf

http://www.tarrance.com/Battleground37GOPAnalysisCharts.pdf

Wow, that is surprisingly... positive.

I'm pretty impressed with the high personal favorability of the president because likeability, at that level, were it to hold through his presidency, will be a huge electoral asset, especially if his Republican opponent were to have a deficit on that score


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 29, 2009, 05:09:24 PM
Battleground Poll (The Tarrance Group and Lake Research Partners):

53% Approve (40% Strongly, DEM: 90-6, REP: 18-78, IND: 42-50)
42% Disapprove (37% Strongly)

Whether you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling his job as President, what is your impression of Barack Obama as a person? Do you approve or disapprove of him?

72% Approve
20% Disapprove

Favorable Ratings:

Obama: 61% Favorable, 36% Unfavorable
Biden: 49% Favorable, 38% Unfavorable
Palin: 42% Favorable, 47% Unfavorable

Composition of sample: 42% DEM, 37% REP, 19% IND, 1% OTHER, 1% REFUSED

1000 Registered "Likely" Voters, July 19-23, 2009

The George Washington University Battleground Poll is a collaborative bi-partisan survey produced by Republican strategist Ed Goeas of The Tarrance Group and Democrat Celinda Lake of Lake Research Partners.

http://www.tarrance.com/BG-37-questionnaire.pdf

http://www.tarrance.com/Battleground37GOPAnalysisCharts.pdf

This poll is encouraging re-healthcare and energy. The pollsters offered respondents a choice between the Democrat and the Republican "message" on healthcare and energy, as to which they most agreed with, and Democrats win the debate on healthcare (51-42) and energy (52-40)

Interestingly, while the Democratic Party edges out the Republican Party in terms of who is doing a good job (4.4-3.9), Republicans lead 42-43 on the generic ballot

The whole "people only like split government" arguement?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on July 29, 2009, 06:17:02 PM
WSJ/NBC

Approve 53%
Disapprove 40%

http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/WSJ-NBC_Poll090729.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on July 29, 2009, 06:27:28 PM
CBS News

Approve 58%
Disapprove 30%

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/29/opinion/polls/main5196563.shtml


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on July 29, 2009, 06:36:40 PM
CBS News

Approve 58%
Disapprove 30%

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/29/opinion/polls/main5196563.shtml

Does anyone here still defend CBS/New York Times polls as anything other than a complete joke?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on July 29, 2009, 06:36:50 PM
CBS News

Approve 58%
Disapprove 30%

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/29/opinion/polls/main5196563.shtml
Ugh
Polls like these and Rasmussen mess up the average.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 29, 2009, 10:34:57 PM
CBS News

Approve 58%
Disapprove 30%

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/29/opinion/polls/main5196563.shtml
Ugh
Polls like these and Rasmussen mess up the average.

Average them and you get something impressive nationally for Obama (54-44 or the like).  The strong disapproval ratings suggest that America itself is as polarized late in July 2009 as it was in November 2008, suggesting that those who thought him a very poor choice in November 2008 still think him such.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: JerryBrown2010 on July 29, 2009, 11:21:03 PM
CBS News

Approve 58%
Disapprove 30%

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/29/opinion/polls/main5196563.shtml
Ugh
Polls like these and Rasmussen mess up the average.

At least they usually even them self's out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 30, 2009, 12:30:02 AM
California (PPIC):

Adults:

65% Approve
27% Disapprove

Registered Voters:

62% Approve
31% Disapprove

Likely Voters:

58% Approve
35% Disapprove

PPIC Statewide Survey: Californians and the Environment, July 2009. Includes 2,501 adults, 2,019 registered voters, and 1,457 likely voters. Interviews took place July 7–21, 2009. Numbers in above table are for all adults. Margin of error ±2%.

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/other/APR_Obama0709.pdf

Very much in line with SUSA's latest CA numbers (Adults) and Rasmussen's (Likely Voters).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ronnie on July 30, 2009, 09:06:57 AM
Rassy:

Approve: 48%
Disapprove: 51%

A new low for Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 30, 2009, 12:03:25 PM
Gallup down a bit further today ...

52% Approve (-1)
41% Disapprove (+2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 30, 2009, 01:45:13 PM

New polls in California:

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"Adults" would give a borderline "7", and the other two average 60% one for Registered Voters and one for "Likely Voters", whatever the latter is.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BM on July 30, 2009, 03:10:49 PM
I must say I'm enjoying the rationalizations for his dropping numbers more than this thread couple months ago - a circle jerk over how high his numbers are.

With that said I'm sure his approvals will rebound sometime over the next 3 years...maybe.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 30, 2009, 03:32:30 PM
There's something simplistic asking job approval.  It'd be more illuminative to ask if one's opinion of the job Obama is doing has changed, let them specify why if so and categorize the answers.  I suppose one poll shows Obama's job approval among white, working class dropped in response to Obama's comments on the Gates arrest thing.  If true, that frankly seems retarded to me.

The president would have been wise to have passed over the Gates issue when it was raised at his press conference. The Right, no doubt, will be doing its damdest to fan its flames given that they have everything to gain, politically, by doing so given the extent to which their shabby record in government is threatened by this most enlightened pragmatically moderate (center-left) of presidents. Not to mention all the scaremongering coming forth on healthcare and energy. Surprising as it may seem, it's not in this president's, or his party's, political interest to make things worse for himself/themselves, his/their country or its people. The ideological nature of America obviously affords Republicans more of a pass

The House in passing pay-go, recently, has, at least, committed itself moving forward to fiscal responsibility which is more than can be said for the other lot, who should never be forgiven their whims and follies which, radically, altered the trajectory of the fiscal health, that of budget surplus, of the nation -  for the worst. That would have come in useful to combat this bad ass mother of an economic downturn. It's clearly now a matter for the Senate to pass.  At the end of the day, it all needs to paid for. The only Republican, of late, who understood that was Bush 41 - and he was effectively crucified by many on the Right. I've no beef with pragmatic conservatives, but those beholden to dogma really need incarcerating in their Ivory Towers, where they can do no harm. And they can take them "Tea-Baggers" with them

If this president succeeds it will be a triumph of rationalism :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on July 30, 2009, 03:44:12 PM
Pew Research

Approve 54%
Disapprove 34%

http://people-press.org/report/532/obamas-ratings-slide


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on July 30, 2009, 06:17:40 PM
Pew Research

Approve 54%
Disapprove 34%

http://people-press.org/report/532/obamas-ratings-slide

Holy cow, 38% approval on the economy? Even I'm shocked....


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on July 30, 2009, 09:06:52 PM
Pew Research

Approve 54%
Disapprove 34%

http://people-press.org/report/532/obamas-ratings-slide

Holy cow, 38% approval on the economy? Even I'm shocked....

Probably due to the deficit spending and the over optimism when he sold the stimulus package.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on July 31, 2009, 02:51:16 AM
Pew Research

Approve 54%
Disapprove 34%

http://people-press.org/report/532/obamas-ratings-slide

Holy cow, 38% approval on the economy? Even I'm shocked....

Probably due to the deficit spending and the over optimism when he sold the stimulus package.

Historically people have always been concerned about deficit spending, even when it didn't make sense compared to other things they supported, no matter what happened. Polls going back to FDR's terms in office showed America "concerned about the deficit" despite the fact that they elected FDR four times.

Just wanted to get that out there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on July 31, 2009, 11:04:47 AM
Pleasantly surprised Arkansas approve of him, considering it's Arkansas.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 31, 2009, 11:46:03 AM
Pleasantly surprised Arkansas approve of him, considering it's Arkansas.

This poll is ages old ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 31, 2009, 12:05:16 PM
Gallup:

54-40 (+2, -1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 31, 2009, 01:45:43 PM
Pew Research

Approve 54%
Disapprove 34%

http://people-press.org/report/532/obamas-ratings-slide

Holy cow, 38% approval on the economy? Even I'm shocked....

Probably due to the deficit spending and the over optimism when he sold the stimulus package.

One minute the president was being damned for being pessimistic, the next he's dammed for being optimistic. When it comes to deficits, the Republicans cannot take the high ground. Certainly not when you consider that Bush was bequeathed a robust economy that had created 23 million jobs along with a trajectory that projected a growing surplus only to bequeath the 'Great Recession' and an economy losing jobs at a rate not since that of 1981/82

Any rationalist understands that deficit reduction isn't a short-term option. It is something that will, of course, inevitability have to be confronted

Capitalism needs to be as much premised on security as it is liberty. The role of government is to, effectively, enhance positive, but restrain negative, freedom

I dread to think of the consequences of the major financial institutions being allowed to collapse even if bailing-out errant behaviour does look like rewarding said behaviour. But doing nothing isn't an option. Not when there are millions of livelihoods and families; indeed, communities, at risk. And when I hear the likes of Palin championing the freedom to fail, it doesn't inspire confidence in Republicans if they are of that mindset


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 01, 2009, 08:08:13 AM
RAS today:

50/49 Approval

30/38 Strongly Approve/Strongly Disapprove

The crosstabs don’t look much different than yesterday, so I am going to assume that the change in party ID was more favorable to Democrats.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 01, 2009, 09:40:40 AM

Back in the positives, phew.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 01, 2009, 12:50:00 PM
Gallup today:

56-38 (+2, -2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on August 01, 2009, 12:52:47 PM
the bounce ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 01, 2009, 01:10:04 PM

Beer Summit Bounce or GDP Bounce?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 01, 2009, 01:29:52 PM

Haven't you heard ? Obama chose the wrong beer and is therefore a unpatriotic traitor.

Therefore GDP-bounce.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 01, 2009, 02:38:58 PM

Haven't you heard ? Obama chose the wrong beer and is therefore a unpatriotic traitor.

Therefore GDP-bounce.

Wasn't it red, white and blue or something? Jeez, the prez can't win.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: JerryBrown2010 on August 01, 2009, 02:53:58 PM
Pew Research

Approve 54%
Disapprove 34%

http://people-press.org/report/532/obamas-ratings-slide

Holy cow, 38% approval on the economy? Even I'm shocked....

Even though people think he's doing bad on the Economy, Health care and the deficit people say they would rather have Obama doing the job then the Republicans.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 01, 2009, 03:25:33 PM
Pew Research

Approve 54%
Disapprove 34%

http://people-press.org/report/532/obamas-ratings-slide

Holy cow, 38% approval on the economy? Even I'm shocked....

Even though people think he's doing bad on the Economy, Health care and the deficit people say they would rather have Obama doing the job then the Republicans.

ROFL. Pwnage.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on August 01, 2009, 07:13:20 PM
Pew Research

Approve 54%
Disapprove 34%

http://people-press.org/report/532/obamas-ratings-slide

Holy cow, 38% approval on the economy? Even I'm shocked....

Even though people think he's doing bad on the Economy, Health care and the deficit people say they would rather have Obama doing the job then the Republicans.

ROFL. Pwnage.

Except they don't :P

Gallup Poll (http://www.gallup.com/poll/121814/More-Disapprove-Than-Approve-Obama-Healthcare.aspx)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: JerryBrown2010 on August 02, 2009, 01:37:55 PM
Pew Research

Approve 54%
Disapprove 34%

http://people-press.org/report/532/obamas-ratings-slide

Holy cow, 38% approval on the economy? Even I'm shocked....

Even though people think he's doing bad on the Economy, Health care and the deficit people say they would rather have Obama doing the job then the Republicans.

ROFL. Pwnage.

Except they don't :P

Gallup Poll (http://www.gallup.com/poll/121814/More-Disapprove-Than-Approve-Obama-Healthcare.aspx)
If you want to argue with CNN the biggest news network in the world, be my guest. I don't even see on there where it says people would rather have republicans taking over things then Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 02, 2009, 01:44:36 PM
Pew Research

Approve 54%
Disapprove 34%

http://people-press.org/report/532/obamas-ratings-slide

Holy cow, 38% approval on the economy? Even I'm shocked....

Even though people think he's doing bad on the Economy, Health care and the deficit people say they would rather have Obama doing the job then the Republicans.

ROFL. Pwnage.

Except they don't :P

Gallup Poll (http://www.gallup.com/poll/121814/More-Disapprove-Than-Approve-Obama-Healthcare.aspx)
If you want to argue with CNN the biggest news network in the world, be my guest. I don't even see on there where it says people would rather have republicans taking over things then Obama.

Neither can I. :/

Please point it out for us slower people (if it's there that is).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on August 02, 2009, 05:18:54 PM
Pew Research

Approve 54%
Disapprove 34%

http://people-press.org/report/532/obamas-ratings-slide

Holy cow, 38% approval on the economy? Even I'm shocked....

Even though people think he's doing bad on the Economy, Health care and the deficit people say they would rather have Obama doing the job then the Republicans.

"From health care to handguns, the American public has more confidence in the
Democratic party than the Republican party to deal with domestic issues. By margins of more
than 20 percentage points, the public thinks the Democratic party would do a better job of
protecting the environment (46% to 22%), and reforming health care (47% to 25%) than would
the GOP. Smaller pluralities give the nod to the Democratic party on issues where there has been
either party parity or a GOP advantage. Times Mirror's respondents preferred the Democrats for
reducing crime by a 35% to 29% margin and for reducing the budget deficit by a thin 36% to
31%. Wider pluralities had more confidence in the Democrats for reforming the welfare system
(40% to 30%) and on gun control (42% to 32%)."


--Pew Research, December 1993 http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/19931209.pdf (http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/19931209.pdf)

I wonder how that worked out for the Dems in 1994....



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: JerryBrown2010 on August 02, 2009, 06:53:51 PM
Pew Research

Approve 54%
Disapprove 34%

http://people-press.org/report/532/obamas-ratings-slide

Holy cow, 38% approval on the economy? Even I'm shocked....

Even though people think he's doing bad on the Economy, Health care and the deficit people say they would rather have Obama doing the job then the Republicans.

"From health care to handguns, the American public has more confidence in the
Democratic party than the Republican party to deal with domestic issues. By margins of more
than 20 percentage points, the public thinks the Democratic party would do a better job of
protecting the environment (46% to 22%), and reforming health care (47% to 25%)
than would
the GOP. Smaller pluralities give the nod to the Democratic party on issues where there has been
either party parity or a GOP advantage. Times Mirror's respondents preferred the Democrats for
reducing crime by a 35% to 29% margin and for reducing the budget deficit by a thin 36% to
31%. Wider pluralities had more confidence in the Democrats for reforming the welfare system
(40% to 30%) and on gun control (42% to 32%)."


--Pew Research, December 1993 http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/19931209.pdf (http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/19931209.pdf)

I wonder how that worked out for the Dems in 1994....



That's good news not bad news for the democrats.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on August 02, 2009, 07:56:48 PM
Um, the point was that even though the public in 1993 said they agreed with the Democrats more than the Republicans, they had no problem with throwing them out of Congress the very next year. The same dynamic can work now. Remember, the Democrat's rise in 2006 was almost entirely due to anti-Bush sentiment, not any positive agenda they offered. Being "the party of no" may be enough for Republicans to make gains in 2010 (assuming discontent with  Obama) even if the public presently supports the Democrats more than the Republicans.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on August 02, 2009, 08:01:18 PM
Folks, the regression line on Obama's approval has been overextended to the negative side over about the past month or so (imo compared to earlier months).  In the short term, however, what's going on over the past couple of days is the "beer" thing - you have to wait a week to see where it levels out.

Based on this regression line, a bounce for Obama up into the 55% range on Rasmussen or 60% range in Gallup or other adult polls not strongly weighted like NBC/WSJ over the next month would not be at all surprising and would certainly not invalidate it


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on August 02, 2009, 09:50:29 PM
Um, the point was that even though the public in 1993 said they agreed with the Democrats more than the Republicans, they had no problem with throwing them out of Congress the very next year. The same dynamic can work now. Remember, the Democrat's rise in 2006 was almost entirely due to anti-Bush sentiment, not any positive agenda they offered. Being "the party of no" may be enough for Republicans to make gains in 2010 (assuming discontent with  Obama) even if the public presently supports the Democrats more than the Republicans.



Agreed


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on August 02, 2009, 10:40:36 PM
Pew Research

Approve 54%
Disapprove 34%

http://people-press.org/report/532/obamas-ratings-slide

Holy cow, 38% approval on the economy? Even I'm shocked....

Even though people think he's doing bad on the Economy, Health care and the deficit people say they would rather have Obama doing the job then the Republicans.

ROFL. Pwnage.

Except they don't :P

Gallup Poll (http://www.gallup.com/poll/121814/More-Disapprove-Than-Approve-Obama-Healthcare.aspx)
If you want to argue with CNN the biggest news network in the world, be my guest. I don't even see on there where it says people would rather have republicans taking over things then Obama.

Neither can I. :/

Please point it out for us slower people (if it's there that is).

People disapprove of Obama on healthcare and the deficit which implies (but doesn't necessarily mean) that the Republicans are trusted more. Either way, his numbers are slipping in these key areas.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on August 02, 2009, 11:43:36 PM
Pew Research

Approve 54%
Disapprove 34%

http://people-press.org/report/532/obamas-ratings-slide

Holy cow, 38% approval on the economy? Even I'm shocked....

Even though people think he's doing bad on the Economy, Health care and the deficit people say they would rather have Obama doing the job then the Republicans.

ROFL. Pwnage.

Except they don't :P

Gallup Poll (http://www.gallup.com/poll/121814/More-Disapprove-Than-Approve-Obama-Healthcare.aspx)
If you want to argue with CNN the biggest news network in the world, be my guest. I don't even see on there where it says people would rather have republicans taking over things then Obama.

Neither can I. :/

Please point it out for us slower people (if it's there that is).

People disapprove of Obama on healthcare and the deficit which implies (but doesn't necessarily mean) that the Republicans are trusted more. Either way, his numbers are slipping in these key areas.

Unfortunately for your hypothesis, polls have proven that not to be the case.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 03, 2009, 12:08:28 AM
I would again like to point out that Americans have historically always answered that they're concerned about the deficit, even when other answers contradict that one. As I said before, even under FDR, the public said they wanted to balance the budget, despite the fact that they largely supported FDR's big spending New Deal programs.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: FloridaRepublican on August 03, 2009, 12:13:12 AM
I would again like to point out that Americans have historically always answered that they're concerned about the deficit, even when other answers contradict that one. As I said before, even under FDR, the public said they wanted to balance the budget, despite the fact that they largely supported FDR's big spending New Deal programs.

Yeah let's spend more to get out of debt....  that makes perfect sense.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 03, 2009, 12:24:31 AM
I would again like to point out that Americans have historically always answered that they're concerned about the deficit, even when other answers contradict that one. As I said before, even under FDR, the public said they wanted to balance the budget, despite the fact that they largely supported FDR's big spending New Deal programs.

Yeah let's spend more to get out of debt....  that makes perfect sense.

That was rather off-topic, considering I was talking about polling, not the issue itself.

Of course, if you're going to complain about the New Deal, you're still wrong. But let's leave that to another thread.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on August 03, 2009, 01:02:10 AM
I would again like to point out that Americans have historically always answered that they're concerned about the deficit, even when other answers contradict that one. As I said before, even under FDR, the public said they wanted to balance the budget, despite the fact that they largely supported FDR's big spending New Deal programs.

Yeah let's spend more to get out of debt....  that makes perfect sense.

If we tried to cut spending right now it would crash the economy again.  The only reason why we are not in another Great Depression IS government spending. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on August 03, 2009, 06:54:25 AM
I would again like to point out that Americans have historically always answered that they're concerned about the deficit, even when other answers contradict that one. As I said before, even under FDR, the public said they wanted to balance the budget, despite the fact that they largely supported FDR's big spending New Deal programs.

Yeah let's spend more to get out of debt....  that makes perfect sense.

If we tried to cut spending right now it would crash the economy again.  The only reason why we are not in another Great Depression IS government spending. 

Exactly


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on August 03, 2009, 03:12:14 PM
Pollster.com shows a 52.4/42.1 approval rating.

Mitt Romney with a 28.3/21.4 approval rating.

Mike Huckabee with a 41.4/30.7 approval rating.

Sarah Palin with a 40.3/46.9 approval rating.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on August 03, 2009, 03:16:28 PM
Pollster.com shows a 52.4/42.1 approval rating for Obama.

Mitt Romney with a 28.3/21.4 approval rating.

Mike Huckabee with a 41.4/30.7 approval rating.

Sarah Palin with a 40.3/46.9 approval rating.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 03, 2009, 03:24:33 PM
Pollster.com shows a 52.4/42.1 approval rating.

Mitt Romney with a 28.3/21.4 approval rating.

Mike Huckabee with a 41.4/30.7 approval rating.

Sarah Palin with a 40.3/46.9 approval rating.

Is that approval or favorability for the governors there?

EDIT: I see it's favorability. (http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/fav-palin.php) That's basically if you like the candidate as a person.

Obama's is currently 56.1% - 34.4%. (http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/fav-obama.php)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on August 03, 2009, 03:26:16 PM
Pollster.com shows a 52.4/42.1 approval rating.

Mitt Romney with a 28.3/21.4 approval rating.

Mike Huckabee with a 41.4/30.7 approval rating.

Sarah Palin with a 40.3/46.9 approval rating.

Is that approval or favorability for the governors there?

The republicans are current favorability across the nation. Obama's is his job approval as president.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: minionofmidas on August 03, 2009, 03:37:06 PM
What's with the weird "no opinion of Romney" hike?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 03, 2009, 03:40:45 PM
What's with the weird "no opinion of Romney" hike?

The NBC/WSJ poll is the first time that Pollster has recorded anyone but PPP, Pew or Gallup on Romney fav/unfav and the NBC/WSJ had a large amount in the undecided column. Probably an outlier in that respect.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on August 04, 2009, 12:28:51 PM
Pollster.com shows a 52.4/42.1 approval rating.

Mitt Romney with a 28.3/21.4 approval rating.

Mike Huckabee with a 41.4/30.7 approval rating.

Sarah Palin with a 40.3/46.9 approval rating.

Is that approval or favorability for the governors there?

EDIT: I see it's favorability. (http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/fav-palin.php) That's basically if you like the candidate as a person.

Obama's is currently 56.1% - 34.4%. (http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/fav-obama.php)

Yes, I saw that poll I didn't know which one post.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: JerryBrown2010 on August 04, 2009, 05:30:23 PM
Gallup

Approve 55%

Disapprove 38%

Rasmussen

Approve 50%

Disapprove 48%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 04, 2009, 05:45:14 PM
Current averages Approval/Disapproval

Pollster (http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama.php) - 52.4/42.0
RCP (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html) - 54.1 (-0.1)/38.6 (-0.3)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on August 04, 2009, 06:36:28 PM
Gallup

Approve 55%

Disapprove 38%

Rasmussen

Approve 50%

Disapprove 48%

Looks like he recovered from that whole Gates issue, he's increased a couple of points in the polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on August 04, 2009, 06:53:15 PM
It looks like Obama fell to earth about a month before Carter did in 1977.  http://webapps.ropercenter.uconn.edu/CFIDE/roper/presidential/webroot/presidential_rating_detail.cfm?allRate=True&presidentName=Carter

Carter fell from 66% to 54% around Labor Day 1977 after the Bert Lance scandal broke. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on August 05, 2009, 11:46:14 AM
PPP: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_VA_805513.pdf (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_VA_805513.pdf)

Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama's job performance? If you
approve, press 1. If you disapprove, press 2.
If you're not sure, press 3.
Approve .......................................................... 42%
Disapprove...................................................... 51%
Not Sure.......................................................... 7%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: JerryBrown2010 on August 05, 2009, 12:41:37 PM

What a disturbing piece of work the Right wingers have made, I'm sure that's going to get them In the White House!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on August 05, 2009, 01:18:18 PM
PPP: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_VA_805513.pdf (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_VA_805513.pdf)

Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama's job performance? If you
approve, press 1. If you disapprove, press 2.
If you're not sure, press 3.
Approve .......................................................... 42%
Disapprove...................................................... 51%
Not Sure.......................................................... 7%

That poll tells me more about the appalling mindset of many Virginia Republicans and conservatives given the findings on that whole "Birther" nonsense

The center is holding nicely in favor of the president. Moderates :) approve by 61-31

Compare and contrast the party and ideological base of this poll with the 2008 exit polls:

Party identification PPP [2008 exits]

Democrat 32 [39]; Republican 35 [33]; Independent 33 [27]

In this poll, Democrats approve 92/4; Republicans 3/92; Independents 34/54. Applying the 2008 exit poll base:

Approval rating: Dem 35.88 + Rep 0.99 + Ind 9.18 = 46.05%

Disapproval rating: Dem 1.56 + Rep 30.36 + Ind 14.58 = 46.50%

Ideology PPP [2008 exits]

Liberal 14 [19]; Moderate 41 [46]; Conservative 45 [33]

In this poll, Liberals approve 87/7; Moderates 61/31; Conservatives 10/84. Applying the 2008 exit poll base:

Approval rating: Liberal 16.53 + Moderate 28.06 + Conservative 3.80 = 48.39%

Disapproval rating: Liberal 1.33 + Moderate 13.02 + Conservative 31.92 = 46.27%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on August 05, 2009, 01:21:18 PM
PPP: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_VA_805513.pdf (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_VA_805513.pdf)

Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama's job performance? If you
approve, press 1. If you disapprove, press 2.
If you're not sure, press 3.
Approve .......................................................... 42%
Disapprove...................................................... 51%
Not Sure.......................................................... 7%

Quoting from the PPP release:

It’s important to note that if this poll was of the 2008 electorate Obama’s
approval would be a positive 50/44, but his low numbers among likely voters for this
fall’s election reflects Democratic disinterest in the race.


More highlights from this poll:
- Only 53% of Virginia voters believe that Obama was born in the United States, while
24% think he was not and 24% are unsure.
-Only 3% of Republicans approve of his job performance.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 05, 2009, 01:24:39 PM
PPP: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_VA_805513.pdf (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_VA_805513.pdf)

Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama's job performance? If you
approve, press 1. If you disapprove, press 2.
If you're not sure, press 3.
Approve .......................................................... 42%
Disapprove...................................................... 51%
Not Sure.......................................................... 7%

That poll tells me more about the appalling mindset of many Virginia Republicans and conservatives given the findings on that whole "Birther" nonsense

The center is holding nicely in favor of the president. Moderates :) approve by 61-31

Compare and contrast the party and ideological base of this poll with the 2008 exit polls:

Party identification PPP [2008 exits]

Democrat 32 [39]; Republican 35 [33]; Independent 33 [27]

In this poll, Democrats approve 92/4; Republicans 3/92; Independents 34/54. Applying the 2008 exit poll base:

Approval rating: Dem 35.88 + Rep 0.99 + Ind 9.18 = 46.05%

Disapproval rating: Dem 1.56 + Rep 30.36 + Ind 14.58 = 46.50%

Ideology PPP [2008 exits]

Liberal 14 [19]; Moderate 41 [46]; Conservative 45 [33]

In this poll, Liberals approve 87/7; Moderates 61/31; Conservatives 10/84. Applying the 2008 exit poll base:

Approval rating: Liberal 16.53 + Moderate 28.06 + Conservative 3.80 = 48.39%

Disapproval rating: Liberal 1.33 + Moderate 13.02 + Conservative 31.92 = 46.27%

I know Republicans disapprove, but 3% approval still seems way to low.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on August 05, 2009, 01:35:12 PM
PPP: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_VA_805513.pdf (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_VA_805513.pdf)

Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama's job performance? If you
approve, press 1. If you disapprove, press 2.
If you're not sure, press 3.
Approve .......................................................... 42%
Disapprove...................................................... 51%
Not Sure.......................................................... 7%

That poll tells me more about the appalling mindset of many Virginia Republicans and conservatives given the findings on that whole "Birther" nonsense

The center is holding nicely in favor of the president. Moderates :) approve by 61-31

Compare and contrast the party and ideological base of this poll with the 2008 exit polls:

Party identification PPP [2008 exits]

Democrat 32 [39]; Republican 35 [33]; Independent 33 [27]

In this poll, Democrats approve 92/4; Republicans 3/92; Independents 34/54. Applying the 2008 exit poll base:

Approval rating: Dem 35.88 + Rep 0.99 + Ind 9.18 = 46.05%

Disapproval rating: Dem 1.56 + Rep 30.36 + Ind 14.58 = 46.50%

Ideology PPP [2008 exits]

Liberal 14 [19]; Moderate 41 [46]; Conservative 45 [33]

In this poll, Liberals approve 87/7; Moderates 61/31; Conservatives 10/84. Applying the 2008 exit poll base:

Approval rating: Liberal 16.53 + Moderate 28.06 + Conservative 3.80 = 48.39%

Disapproval rating: Liberal 1.33 + Moderate 13.02 + Conservative 31.92 = 46.27%

I know Republicans disapprove, but 3% approval still seems way to low.

That's among those likely to vote in this year's gubernatorial election. In 2008, according to the exit poll, 8% of Virginia Republicans cast ballots for Obama

According to Gallup's most recent weekly data, 20% of Republicans, nationally, approve of Obama (33% among liberal/moderate Republicans but only 12% among conservative Republicans)

So, yes, I'm minded to agree that 3% is too low


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on August 05, 2009, 02:04:34 PM

What a disturbing piece of work the Right wingers have made, I'm sure that's going to get them In the White House!

The right wingers clearly know jack sh**t about socialism; indeed, Michael Lind, a progressive populist in the 'New Deal' tradition, argues that Obama is prisoner to the cult of neoliberalism


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President Mitt on August 05, 2009, 02:23:16 PM

What a disturbing piece of work the Right wingers have made, I'm sure that's going to get them In the White House!

Heh, I like it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajc0918 on August 05, 2009, 02:50:03 PM

What a disturbing piece of work the Right wingers have made, I'm sure that's going to get them In the White House!

Kind of like this photo got the dems in the white house.
Yep, it's Bush.
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Oh wait, what about this one, it's a real hitter.
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on August 05, 2009, 03:40:06 PM

What a disturbing piece of work the Right wingers have made, I'm sure that's going to get them In the White House!

Kind of like this photo got the dems in the white house.
Yep, it's Bush.
()

Oh wait, what about this one, it's a real hitter.
()

None of those pictures got the Democrats into the white house...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 05, 2009, 03:49:32 PM
But the Dems seem to have selective outrage. It's okay to mock Bush, but not okay to mock Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pogo stick on August 05, 2009, 04:16:15 PM
I'm tired of hearing democrats whine, If your going tobeat the s*** out of our president when he's in office, then we "Right WINGZ MORALFAGS, TERROSIRTZZZZ" have the same right to do to your president.


First with Conservatives being a threat ot HLS, Now GOPhers hiring mobs to make Specter, Sebelius and other democrats cry.

I mean, Come on. I know osme one will say that the GOP is no better with the stupid birther thing. It's BS

But guess what, I'm one of those 42% of GOPhers who think Obama was born in America.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on August 05, 2009, 04:18:51 PM
I am pretty sure that Obama carrying Virginia in 2012 is very unlikely.  It was probably a one time thing. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 05, 2009, 04:19:49 PM
I'm tired of hearing democrats whine, If your going tobeat the s*** out of our president when he's in office, then we "Right WINGZ MORALFAGS, TERROSIRTZZZZ" have the same right to do to your president.


First with Conservatives being a threat ot HLS, Now GOPhers hiring mobs to make Specter, Sebelius and other democrats cry.

I mean, Come on. I know osme one will say that the GOP is no better with the stupid birther thing. It's BS

But guess what, I'm one of those 42% of GOPhers who think Obama was born in America.




Please stop using "GOPhers." It's really stupid.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on August 05, 2009, 04:34:44 PM
I am pretty sure that Obama carrying Virginia in 2012 is very unlikely.  It was probably a one time thing. 
Nah, I am thinking there is a very good chance he will take it again. It all depends on the margin of victory. NOVA should continue to go strong for him, that's for sure.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 05, 2009, 04:37:53 PM
One observation from the PPP Virginia poll:

Quote
Do you think Barack Obama was born in the
United States?

53% Yes, 24% No

Barack H. Obama   Joseph R. Biden, Jr.   Democratic     1,959,532     53%   13
   John S. McCain, III   Sarah Palin   Republican    1,725,005    46%   0

Probably unrelated, but i'm just saying.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 05, 2009, 05:21:05 PM
Zogby Telephone

Approve 53%
Disapprove 38%

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1728


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 05, 2009, 05:24:56 PM
Zogby Telephone

Approve 53%
Disapprove 38%

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1728

Much more realistic than their generally terrible internet polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 05, 2009, 05:36:34 PM
But the Dems seem to have selective outrage. It's okay to mock Bush, but not okay to mock Obama.

Mockery of George W. Bush began early when many questioned whether he had been elected fair-and-square. That faded on 9/11. It began anew as reports emerged that the basis of the invasion of Iraq was specious, and intensified after the bungled response to Hurricane Katrina.

Anyone who fouls up as badly as Dubya did, and not only for holding the "wrong" ideology, deserves mockery. But even the great ones (except perhaps Washington) get mockery. Lincoln did, and FDR did.  

Question: is the mockery valid?
 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 05, 2009, 05:38:17 PM
But the Dems seem to have selective outrage. It's okay to mock Bush, but not okay to mock Obama.

Mockery of George W. Bush began early when many questioned whether he had been elected fair-and-square. That faded on 9/11. It began anew as reports emerged that the basis of the invasion of Iraq was specious, and intensified after the bungled response to Hurricane Katrina.

Anyone who fouls up as badly as Dubya did, and not only for holding the "wrong" ideology, deserves mockery. But even the great ones (except perhaps Washington) get mockery. Lincoln did, and FDR did.  

Question: is the mockery valid?
 

If it's funny, I really couldn't care less about mocking. It's when you get into the area of disrespect, then it gets sketchy.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on August 05, 2009, 08:04:45 PM
But the Dems seem to have selective outrage. It's okay to mock Bush, but not okay to mock Obama.

Mockery of George W. Bush began early when many questioned whether he had been elected fair-and-square. That faded on 9/11. It began anew as reports emerged that the basis of the invasion of Iraq was specious, and intensified after the bungled response to Hurricane Katrina.

Anyone who fouls up as badly as Dubya did, and not only for holding the "wrong" ideology, deserves mockery. But even the great ones (except perhaps Washington) get mockery. Lincoln did, and FDR did.  

Question: is the mockery valid?
 

By this standard, it would be okay to mock Obama for botching his swearing in. I can only imagine what it would have been like if Bush had done that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 05, 2009, 08:08:11 PM
But the Dems seem to have selective outrage. It's okay to mock Bush, but not okay to mock Obama.

Mockery of George W. Bush began early when many questioned whether he had been elected fair-and-square. That faded on 9/11. It began anew as reports emerged that the basis of the invasion of Iraq was specious, and intensified after the bungled response to Hurricane Katrina.

Anyone who fouls up as badly as Dubya did, and not only for holding the "wrong" ideology, deserves mockery. But even the great ones (except perhaps Washington) get mockery. Lincoln did, and FDR did.  

Question: is the mockery valid?
 

By this standard, it would be okay to mock Obama Justice Roberts for botching Obama's swearing in. I can only imagine what it would have been like if Bush had done that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on August 05, 2009, 08:30:53 PM
But the Dems seem to have selective outrage. It's okay to mock Bush, but not okay to mock Obama.

Mockery of George W. Bush began early when many questioned whether he had been elected fair-and-square. That faded on 9/11. It began anew as reports emerged that the basis of the invasion of Iraq was specious, and intensified after the bungled response to Hurricane Katrina.

Anyone who fouls up as badly as Dubya did, and not only for holding the "wrong" ideology, deserves mockery. But even the great ones (except perhaps Washington) get mockery. Lincoln did, and FDR did.  

Question: is the mockery valid?
 

If it's funny, I really couldn't care less about mocking. It's when you get into the area of disrespect, then it gets sketchy.
You disrespect Obama all the time...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on August 06, 2009, 01:37:59 PM
Zogby Telephone

Approve 53%
Disapprove 38%

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1728

Much more realistic than their generally terrible internet polls.

"Both measures of job performance have improved over a Zogby Interactive survey of 4,470 likely voters nationwide conducted July 21-24. Then, 48% approved and 49% disapproved. In the same poll, on the four-point scale, 47% gave Obama excellent or good grades, and 53% chose fair or poor."



lol zogby is a joke.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: JerryBrown2010 on August 06, 2009, 01:43:48 PM
CNN/Opinion Research Poll

Approve 56%

Disapprove 40%

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/08/05/rel11e.pdf for more polling data


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 06, 2009, 03:30:23 PM
But the Dems seem to have selective outrage. It's okay to mock Bush, but not okay to mock Obama.

Mockery of George W. Bush began early when many questioned whether he had been elected fair-and-square. That faded on 9/11. It began anew as reports emerged that the basis of the invasion of Iraq was specious, and intensified after the bungled response to Hurricane Katrina.

Anyone who fouls up as badly as Dubya did, and not only for holding the "wrong" ideology, deserves mockery. But even the great ones (except perhaps Washington) get mockery. Lincoln did, and FDR did.  

Question: is the mockery valid?
 

By this standard, it would be okay to mock Obama for botching his swearing in. I can only imagine what it would have been like if Bush had done that.

It's the Chief Justice who choked -- not Barack Obama.

Quote
President to the United States
?

... I figure that President Obama had a retake done in some back office to make the swearing-in official in the event of some embarrassing questions.

I'm surprised that some have yet to question the legitimacy of our President because of the botching of the Oath of Office.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 06, 2009, 11:45:07 PM
Ipsos/McClatchy (1005 Adults):

58% Approve
37% Disapprove

Quinnipiac (2409 RV):

50% Approve
42% Disapprove

New Jersey (Rasmussen, 500 LV):

56% Approve
43% Disapprove

New Jersey (R2000/DailyKos, 600 LV):

62% Favorable
31% Unfavorable

Virginia (R2000/DailyKos, 600 LV):

51% Favorable
44% Unfavorable


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 07, 2009, 08:13:54 AM

I'm tired of hearing democrats whine, If your going tobeat the s*** out of our president when he's in office, then we "Right WINGZ MORALFAGS, TERROSIRTZZZZ" have the same right to do to your president.


First with Conservatives being a threat ot HLS, Now GOPhers hiring mobs to make Specter, Sebelius and other democrats cry.

I mean, Come on. I know osme one will say that the GOP is no better with the stupid birther thing. It's BS

But guess what, I'm one of those 42% of GOPhers who think Obama was born in America.




I'd like to see the GOP drop the Astroturf politics of setting up pseudo-populist right-wing activity (made to look grass-roots but choreographed as rigidly as a Busby Berkeley dance number) and disrupting Town Hall meetings. If you are from Kalamazoo and you are in a town hall meeting for the Congressional representative for greater South Bend-Elkhart, at least be polite. There is an appropriate time and place for debating who should be President, and that ended on November 4 and January 20, depending on your taste.

Of course the "Obama isn't a real American" meme must.... die. We are stuck with him, and if his efforts are honest and his message coherent, then such is an improvement over what preceded him. He won the President fair, square, and decisively despite all sorts of personal attributes that don't ordinarily go with the Presidency. He looks little like any prior President, he has an uncharacteristic name for a President, and he has had an unusually-swift tise to power.

I have big problems with some of the activities of those who show disrespect for Members of Congress and by allusion to those who voted for them. 

You are welcome to believe whatever you want about whether the GOP endorses such tactics, opposes them, or treats them as something to disavow or exploit as is convenient:

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/balance_of_power/2009/08/steele-on-protesters-dont-look.html

Quote

(CQ)

Steele on Protesters: Don't Look at Me

By David Nather | August 5, 2009 4:03 PM

Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele had some explaining to do this afternoon, after loud and nasty protests by conservative activists have disrupted Democratic town hall meetings around the country and given the GOP’s supporters a bad image.


It shouldn’t have been a surprise that most of the questions on Steele’s conference call with reporters were about the protests — especially on a day when the Democratic National Committee compiled some of the ugliest incidents into a Web ad charging that Republicans have “called out the mob.” But Steele couldn’t decide whether to disown the protesters or embrace them. So he did a little of both.

“We are not inciting anybody to go out and disrupt anything,” Steele said. But “as citizens, they have a right to express their point of view.”

In Steele’s world, these loud protesters aren’t activists — despite evidence that they’re being encouraged by conservative groups — but ordinary Americans outraged by the Democrats’ health care and climate change proposals and by the alleged failures of the stimulus bill. “The Democrats have, by force of their policies, by force of their votes … set in motion a number of things that they’re going to have to take responsibility for, and are going to take responsibility for,” said Steele.

Still, “we’re not encouraging people to express their concerns by being nasty, brutish and ugly,” Steele said. “There is no upside for the Republican Party for people to do that.”

Clear enough? It wasn’t to most of the reporters on the conference call. “Okay, I’ll speak slowly,” Steele said. “There is legitimacy to the protests. But how they conduct their protests, I have no control over. Some people are going to express themselves more strongly than others.”

Even though he was asked, Steele couldn’t cite anything the Republican Party was doing to discourage the worst of the protests. And that’s unlikely to happen, since top Republicans like House Minority Leader John A. Boehner of Ohio are having too much fun pointing to the protests as evidence of the “long, hot summer” of anger over Democratic policies.

Clearly, the strategy of the day is to insist these are homegrown protests. “Instead of acknowledging the widespread anger millions of Americans are feeling this summer toward Democrat-controlled Washington, Washington Democrats are trying to dismiss it as a fabrication,” Boehner said in a statement helpfully e-mailed to reporters during Steele’s conference call. “That isn’t likely to sit well with Americans outside of Washington who are struggling and wondering when their elected leaders are going to wake up and change course.”

Not that there’s any upside to that. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 07, 2009, 08:18:33 AM
One state changes in the absence of a large battery of recent statewide polls, if not a big change, but the state in question (Virginia) is as critical as they get:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: marvelrobbins on August 07, 2009, 12:35:01 PM
Gallup new numbers

Approve 58%
Disapprove 36%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ronnie on August 07, 2009, 01:01:34 PM
Gallup new numbers

Approve 58%
Disapprove 36%

Wow...Gallup has been all over the place lately.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 07, 2009, 01:47:02 PM
Gallup new numbers

Approve 58%
Disapprove 36%

Wow...Gallup has been all over the place lately.

"Bill Clinton: Korean Saviour" bounce.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 08, 2009, 12:08:29 AM
Gallup new numbers

Approve 58%
Disapprove 36%

Wow...Gallup has been all over the place lately.

"Bill Clinton: Korean Saviour" bounce.

Yes, that, the economy, Sotomayor, and the liquidation of the Taleban Terrorist probably, diverting attention from domestic agendas like health care.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on August 08, 2009, 12:53:26 AM
Gallup new numbers

Approve 58%
Disapprove 36%

Wow...Gallup has been all over the place lately.

Isn't that kind of like saying "the sky is blue" or "the Pope is Catholic" or something similar.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: MaxQue on August 08, 2009, 03:00:23 AM
Gallup new numbers

Approve 58%
Disapprove 36%

Wow...Gallup has been all over the place lately.

Isn't that kind of like saying "the sky is blue" or "the Pope is Catholic" or something similar.

Well, someone could argue than the Pope betrayed the rules of the Catholic Church and than the sky is white because the weather is overcast. By being all the over the place, they are sure to be right sometimes.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 08, 2009, 08:25:39 AM
Rasmussen today:

50% Approve
50% Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on August 08, 2009, 03:23:13 PM
Does Rasmussen not let responders answer undecided? Because I still think it's kind of ridiculous that no one doesn't have an opinion (or is neutral or something).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 08, 2009, 03:27:39 PM
I guess people don't think they have that option. This is the question:

"How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?"


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on August 08, 2009, 04:24:04 PM
I'd expect a bounce for Obama after Friday's economic numbers. CNBC was having an orgasm proclaiming "America is back!" and "the new bull market!" all because we only lost 200,000 jobs. The media is now pushing this narrative.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Nhoj on August 08, 2009, 04:44:09 PM
I'd expect a bounce for Obama after Friday's economic numbers. CNBC was having an orgasm proclaiming "America is back!" and "the new bull market!" all because we only lost 200,000 jobs. The media is now pushing this narrative.
CNBC was pretty much saying the economy was fine tell Lehman bros went under so this shouldnt come as a surprise.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on August 08, 2009, 04:49:02 PM
I'd expect a bounce for Obama after Friday's economic numbers. CNBC was having an orgasm proclaiming "America is back!" and "the new bull market!" all because we only lost 200,000 jobs. The media is now pushing this narrative.
CNBC was pretty much saying the economy was fine tell Lehman bros went under so this shouldnt come as a surprise.

It's not a surprise, but I was a bit surprised how jubilant they were. Kudlow had some people on claiming we should see 3-3.5% growth during the rest of the year and into 2010, and that it is time to put all of your money into stocks.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on August 08, 2009, 06:06:04 PM
I'd expect a bounce for Obama after Friday's economic numbers. CNBC was having an orgasm proclaiming "America is back!" and "the new bull market!" all because we only lost 200,000 jobs. The media is now pushing this narrative.
CNBC was pretty much saying the economy was fine tell Lehman bros went under so this shouldnt come as a surprise.

It's not a surprise, but I was a bit surprised how jubilant they were. Kudlow had some people on claiming we should see 3-3.5% growth during the rest of the year and into 2010, and that it is time to put all of your money into stocks.

And to think that some people accused Jon Stewart of being excessively nasty with these fools. ::)
I wonder when will be the day when the investors will invade the channel and beat the crap out of these clowns.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on August 08, 2009, 06:14:18 PM
I'd expect a bounce for Obama after Friday's economic numbers. CNBC was having an orgasm proclaiming "America is back!" and "the new bull market!" all because we only lost 200,000 jobs. The media is now pushing this narrative.
CNBC was pretty much saying the economy was fine tell Lehman bros went under so this shouldnt come as a surprise.

It's not a surprise, but I was a bit surprised how jubilant they were. Kudlow had some people on claiming we should see 3-3.5% growth during the rest of the year and into 2010, and that it is time to put all of your money into stocks.

Generally, the deeper the recession, the more powerful the recovery.  The 1991 and 2001 recessions had such weak and slow recoveries because those recessions were not very deep.  If you look at the 1980-1982 recession(which was comparable to the 2007-2009 recession), it had a pretty quick and strong recovery. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on August 08, 2009, 06:18:23 PM
I'd expect a bounce for Obama after Friday's economic numbers. CNBC was having an orgasm proclaiming "America is back!" and "the new bull market!" all because we only lost 200,000 jobs. The media is now pushing this narrative.
CNBC was pretty much saying the economy was fine tell Lehman bros went under so this shouldnt come as a surprise.

It's not a surprise, but I was a bit surprised how jubilant they were. Kudlow had some people on claiming we should see 3-3.5% growth during the rest of the year and into 2010, and that it is time to put all of your money into stocks.

These people need to get real jobs...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on August 09, 2009, 06:46:14 PM
Gallup is back down to 55\38.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Purple State on August 09, 2009, 10:44:57 PM
His numbers are currently right where they were when he was elected, right? I would think this is all to be expected. He is pushing the agenda he promised, so this is just all those Republicans that were drawn to Obama's personality, rather than his policy, returning where they really stand.

Panic only hits when he falls below 50% approval I would imagine.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on August 10, 2009, 12:24:42 AM
His numbers are currently right where they were when he was elected, right? I would think this is all to be expected. He is pushing the agenda he promised, so this is just all those Republicans that were drawn to Obama's personality, rather than his policy, returning where they really stand.

Panic only hits when he falls below 50% approval I would imagine.

No, his approvals were higher than his vote total.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 10, 2009, 06:00:48 AM
Gallup just released 50 states, but they are from January-June polling so I have no idea what to make of it. Pretty much meaningless numbers.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/122165/Obama-Approval-Highest-D.C.-Hawaii-Vermont.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 10, 2009, 06:31:42 AM
Gallup just released 50 states, but they are from January-June polling so I have no idea what to make of it. Pretty much meaningless numbers.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/122165/Obama-Approval-Highest-D.C.-Hawaii-Vermont.aspx

I concur, so I won't make any map about these. Polls from January to June might be rich in data but they would also be obsolete.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on August 10, 2009, 07:13:47 AM
Gallup just released 50 states, but they are from January-June polling so I have no idea what to make of it. Pretty much meaningless numbers.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/122165/Obama-Approval-Highest-D.C.-Hawaii-Vermont.aspx
ROLF OBAMA approval in Alabama 56 pc LOL xD


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 10, 2009, 07:41:15 AM
Gallup just released 50 states, but they are from January-June polling so I have no idea what to make of it. Pretty much meaningless numbers.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/122165/Obama-Approval-Highest-D.C.-Hawaii-Vermont.aspx

I concur, so I won't make any map about these. Polls from January to June might be rich in data but they would also be obsolete.

Oh, man. This is really cool to look at, I'll give them that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: minionofmidas on August 10, 2009, 09:44:13 AM
Gallup just released 50 states, but they are from January-June polling so I have no idea what to make of it. Pretty much meaningless numbers.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/122165/Obama-Approval-Highest-D.C.-Hawaii-Vermont.aspx

I concur, so I won't make any map about these. Polls from January to June might be rich in data but they would also be obsolete.
Should be useful for that projection thingee you did. But not be confused with current polling.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 10, 2009, 12:14:34 PM
Only two states (Missouri and Montana) would go to Obama in 2012,  solely due to the marginal effects of the Age Wave (that young voters are more liberal-leaning than the general public, and that the group of young voters who voted overwhelmingly for Obama in 2008 will have expanded from ages 18-30 to 18-34 in 2012,  if nothing else changes. Note that those are marginal effects. Young voters remain decidedly Democratic, and any shift of them to the Republican nominee will require strong counteraction of the Age Wave. 41 electoral votes will not be enough to change the nature of the 2012 election; the Republicans will have to pick up about 75 electoral votes to make things close (which would include IN, NC, and NE-02, and  FL and OH as well) -- and that the Republicans would have to more than undo the Age Effect.

My expression of this topic in the form of a map:

 
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Explanation                                                                                                    EV Cumulative

Reddish-black: "Metropolitan America" -- Fuhgeddaboudit.                          209  209
Deep Red: "Suburban America" -- Obama must absolutely win all of these.  55   264
Red: Obama victory zone: OH, FL, or two of CO, NV, and VA                          74  338 
Pink: Age Wave Obama wins, 2008 (NC, IN, NE-02)                                    27 365

The Age Wave alone strengthens all 2008 wins for Obama in 2012.

Dark  orange : Obama wins, 2012 (MO, MT)                                                   14  379 

Anything beyond this will require something other than the effect of the Age Wave in politics

Beige: Arizona  (reversal of Favorite Son effect, 2008-2012):                        10   389

Anything beyond this requires political changes that I cannot yet predict, but that I can't rule out, either. In arbitrary order of likelihood:


Pale green: Clinton-but-not-Obama states "return"                                     38   437
Dark green: racially-polarized Deep South                                                  39   466
Pale blue:  Small-but-unlikely gains, Upper Plains                                         7   473
Medium blue: Texas                                                                                       34   507

Beyond this, Obama wins are all but impossible:


Deep blue: No way!                                                                                       31   538

                     

I am playing loose with one category: Clinton won Louisiana twice but never won South Carolina. South Carolina was much closer than Louisiana in 2008. The Age Wave is weak in the Dakotas.

----

This map shows how Obama can win in 2012 -- or lose. It's clear that Obama has no way of losing anything in reddish-black, just as he has no reasonable expectation of winning anything in the bluish-black. The second-darkest shade of red (really a reddish-brown) shows some slight evidence of shakiness, like having voted for a Republican nominee for President once or having been really close to doing so in 2000 or 2004. In a 50-50 race these all go to Obama. Should Obama lose any state in this reddish-brown group. he loses.

The medium red includes the legitimate swing states of a 50-50 contest in 2012. Those include Nevada, which went for Obama by a huge margin -- but late. Nevada may be joining the Blue Firewall, but one election does not show that. Should the Republicans win all of these or lose only Nevada it will win in 2012. Colorado? Virginia? Such depends upon the apportionment of House seats, and those in the red-brown and red-black categories will lose lots of seats due to relative losses of population. The GOP absolutely must win Florida and Ohio and can't lose two of the other states in this category and expect to win. Virginia may be enough for Obama to win even if he wins only it; I will have a more definitive answer after the 2010 Census.

Pink? Obama won these  by slight margins. No Democratic nominee for President had ever won Indiana or anything in Nebraska since 1964 (also true of Virginia, but Virginia was no squeaker).  Obama won their 27 electoral votes because of young voters (other explanations are possible -- Latinos, Hispanics, GLBT populations).

The Age Wave -- that younger voters are much more Democratic-leaning  than their elders, and that the new voters of 2012 are likely to be no less liberal -- should solidify Obama's wins even in the "pink" group. Such will be enough to flip only two states in 2012: Missouri and Montana, which will be little more than enough to offset losses of electoral votes in dark-red and medium-red categories.

Picking up everything in red or orange will indicate that Obama has gained no support between 2008 and 2012 except through demographic change. That's still a decisive victory.

Arizona? Unless Senator John Kyl (R, AZ)  becomes the Republican nominee for President or Vice-President, the Republicans probably lose Arizona. The favorite-son effect is worth 10-15% in votes. Consider that even George McGovern got 45% of the vote in South Dakota in 1972 while losing neighboring North Dakota and Nebraska by about 70-30 margins and  faring about as well in Minnesota and not so well in Iowa, both of which were much more Democratic-leaning. 

The rest? States in any shade of green are sure losses for Obama should Mike Huckabee be the GOP nominee. Those in light green could conceivably vote against Mitt Romney. Those in dark green seem so polarized on ethnic lines (white-black) -- even Georgia -- that they are unlikely to swing toward Obama unless voting behavior changes. Sure, Georgia went for McCain by a small margin, and it is easy for many non-Georgians to think that greater Atlanta and such places as Athens and Savannah would go strongly for him. Northern Georgia is politically much like North Carolina; southern Georgia is much like Mississippi.   

The states in pale green were not as racially-polarized in their voting as those in dark green; white voters in Kentucky and West Virginia voted in the 40-45% range for Obama in 2008, which probably isn't that far from white behavior in Indiana or Ohio. Relevant rates in the states in dark green were very low. Should those rates approach 35%, Obama might pick off the Deep South.  Note well: that for Obama to pick off any of these states he must induce people to change some voting behaviors.

Pale blue? The Dakotas and NE-01. Obama will NOT win Nebraska at large, let alone NE-03 (arguably the most conservative district in America). Although these are not strong Republican areas, the Age Wave in these very rural areas is far too weak to make a difference in 2012. Besides, they hold only seven electoral votes. Perhaps rural areas induce kids to have political values much closer to those of their parents than is the case in Suburbia. In this category one sees only seven electoral votes. Obama isn't going to put much effort into winning them over.

Medium blue? That's one state, and a big one -- Texas. The Age Wave is strong in Texas; under-30 voters went for Obama by about a 10-point margin in Texas. Texas fits into no particular region. I'm going to discuss Texas as a possible pickup so long as people keep talking about any GOP nominee having any chance to win Wisconsin, because Texas was about as far from going for Obama as Wisconsin was from going for McCain, or until the GOP nominee has a 15% lead in Texas. Texas is essentially Kansas grafted onto Florida politically; Texas will go for Obama in 2012 if Florida goes to Obama by 8% or more or if Kansas goes to the Republican nominee by 10% or less. I don't think that the Age Wave will be strong enough to give Texas to Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on August 10, 2009, 01:23:34 PM
Gallup just released 50 states, but they are from January-June polling so I have no idea what to make of it. Pretty much meaningless numbers.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/122165/Obama-Approval-Highest-D.C.-Hawaii-Vermont.aspx
ROLF OBAMA approval in Alabama 56 pc LOL xD

LOL, also 53% in Oklahoma and 58% in Mississippi? That would only happen if he had n 80% approval nationwide.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on August 10, 2009, 08:22:48 PM
His numbers are currently right where they were when he was elected, right? I would think this is all to be expected. He is pushing the agenda he promised, so this is just all those Republicans that were drawn to Obama's personality, rather than his policy, returning where they really stand.


Approval seems to declined among moderate Republicans pretty heavily but, for now, the center holds :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 11, 2009, 10:23:21 AM
Portland Region, Oregon (SurveyUSA, 500 adults, August 10):

56% Approve
40% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=116e21d5-bb00-4e86-9311-c5abaa0af93b

This is what SurveyUSA defines as "Portland Region":

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http://www.surveyusa.com/SUSA_Regional_Definitions_As_Of_081029_files/sheet042.htm


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rob on August 11, 2009, 01:28:33 PM
The only counties that should be in a "Portland Region" are Multnomah, Washington, Clackamas, Hood River, and Wasco...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Verily on August 11, 2009, 01:49:50 PM
I don't think even Wasco belongs in the Portland Region.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ronnie on August 11, 2009, 01:53:49 PM
Support for congressional health care reform is pretty bad:

42% Support
53% Oppose

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/august_2009/support_for_congressional_health_care_reform_falls_to_new_low


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on August 11, 2009, 02:32:55 PM
Support for congressional health care reform is pretty bad:

42% Support
53% Oppose

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/august_2009/support_for_congressional_health_care_reform_falls_to_new_low

That doesn't surprise me for two reasons:

1) Democrats seem either unable - or worse still, unable - get their act together and reach a 'consensus', in private, about how best to move forward. It only sends a message of disarray

2) I've never been one to underestimate the effectiveness of the fear and smear machine operated by the Rabid Reactionary Right against Democrats


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 11, 2009, 02:54:52 PM
Support for congressional health care reform is pretty bad:

42% Support
53% Oppose

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/august_2009/support_for_congressional_health_care_reform_falls_to_new_low

Rasmussen will have it lower than anyone else, of course.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 11, 2009, 03:23:23 PM
Support for congressional health care reform is pretty bad:

42% Support
53% Oppose

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/august_2009/support_for_congressional_health_care_reform_falls_to_new_low

Rasmussen will have it lower than anyone else, of course.

NYT/CBS polls: LIBERAL SOURCE, LOLOL.
Rasmussen polls: Completely accurate and fair.

Also, since Republicans have engaged in tactics of organized disinformation, disruption, and outright lying, this should hardly be surprising.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: marvelrobbins on August 11, 2009, 04:27:00 PM
RAS had Mccain gaining In PA last fall.They had people supporting Drill Baby Drill.How well
did that go.As a rule I Ignore RAS untill we are In General Elections then they can be taken
seriously.As for CBS/NYTimes polls calling them liberal orginazations are a joke.The New York
Times buried the surveilance programs till 2005.And If you think CBS Is proObama that Is
news to the Democratic base.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on August 11, 2009, 04:37:12 PM
Support for congressional health care reform is pretty bad:

42% Support
53% Oppose

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/august_2009/support_for_congressional_health_care_reform_falls_to_new_low

Rasmussen will have it lower than anyone else, of course.

NYT/CBS polls: LIBERAL SOURCE, LOLOL.
Rasmussen polls: Completely accurate and fair.

Also, since Republicans have engaged in tactics of organized disinformation, disruption, and outright lying, this should hardly be surprising.

Just like Democrats did with social security reform in 2005. ;D


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 11, 2009, 04:40:01 PM
Support for congressional health care reform is pretty bad:

42% Support
53% Oppose

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/august_2009/support_for_congressional_health_care_reform_falls_to_new_low

Rasmussen will have it lower than anyone else, of course.

NYT/CBS polls: LIBERAL SOURCE, LOLOL.
Rasmussen polls: Completely accurate and fair.

Also, since Republicans have engaged in tactics of organized disinformation, disruption, and outright lying, this should hardly be surprising.

Just like Democrats did with social security reform in 2005. ;D

Oh, we hang congressmen in effigy and brought guns to protests?

Silly me, you know my memory.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ronnie on August 11, 2009, 04:40:11 PM
RAS had Mccain gaining In PA last fall.They had people supporting Drill Baby Drill.How well
did that go.As a rule I Ignore RAS untill we are In General Elections then they can be taken
seriously.As for CBS/NYTimes polls calling them liberal orginazations are a joke.The New York
Times buried the surveilance programs till 2005.And If you think CBS Is proObama that Is
news to the Democratic base.

Not really.  His final poll (if I'm not mistaken) showed Obama+8.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 11, 2009, 04:43:46 PM
Support for congressional health care reform is pretty bad:

42% Support
53% Oppose

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/august_2009/support_for_congressional_health_care_reform_falls_to_new_low

Rasmussen will have it lower than anyone else, of course.

NYT/CBS polls: LIBERAL SOURCE, LOLOL.
Rasmussen polls: Completely accurate and fair.

Also, since Republicans have engaged in tactics of organized disinformation, disruption, and outright lying, this should hardly be surprising.

Just like Democrats did with social security reform in 2005. ;D

Oh, we hang congressmen in effigy and brought guns to protests?

Silly me, you know my memory.

No, you just hung bush in effigy and burned him too while you were at it. And last I checked, it's not illegal to carry a gun.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ronnie on August 11, 2009, 04:51:50 PM
Support for congressional health care reform is pretty bad:

42% Support
53% Oppose

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/august_2009/support_for_congressional_health_care_reform_falls_to_new_low

Rasmussen will have it lower than anyone else, of course.

NYT/CBS polls: LIBERAL SOURCE, LOLOL.
Rasmussen polls: Completely accurate and fair.

Also, since Republicans have engaged in tactics of organized disinformation, disruption, and outright lying, this should hardly be surprising.

Just like Democrats did with social security reform in 2005. ;D

Oh, we hang congressmen in effigy and brought guns to protests?

Silly me, you know my memory.

No, you just hung bush in effigy and burned him too while you were at it. And last I checked, it's not illegal to carry a gun.

Don't forget that someone hung Sarah Palin and McCain in effigy in West Hollywood during the campaign.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on August 11, 2009, 04:55:16 PM
Support for congressional health care reform is pretty bad:

42% Support
53% Oppose

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/august_2009/support_for_congressional_health_care_reform_falls_to_new_low

Rasmussen will have it lower than anyone else, of course.

NYT/CBS polls: LIBERAL SOURCE, LOLOL.
Rasmussen polls: Completely accurate and fair.

Also, since Republicans have engaged in tactics of organized disinformation, disruption, and outright lying, this should hardly be surprising.

Just like Democrats did with social security reform in 2005. ;D

Oh, we hang congressmen in effigy and brought guns to protests?

Silly me, you know my memory.

No, you just hung bush in effigy and burned him too while you were at it. And last I checked, it's not illegal to carry a gun.

Don't forget that someone hung Sarah Palin and McCain in effigy in West Hollywood during the campaign.

Uhhh... That was actually an artist who put this up his roof as Halloween decoration.

But nice try anyway, son. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 11, 2009, 05:10:16 PM
Support for congressional health care reform is pretty bad:

42% Support
53% Oppose

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/august_2009/support_for_congressional_health_care_reform_falls_to_new_low

Rasmussen will have it lower than anyone else, of course.

NYT/CBS polls: LIBERAL SOURCE, LOLOL.
Rasmussen polls: Completely accurate and fair.

Also, since Republicans have engaged in tactics of organized disinformation, disruption, and outright lying, this should hardly be surprising.

Just like Democrats did with social security reform in 2005. ;D

Oh, we hang congressmen in effigy and brought guns to protests?

Silly me, you know my memory.

No, you just hung bush in effigy and burned him too while you were at it. And last I checked, it's not illegal to carry a gun.

Don't forget that someone hung Sarah Palin and McCain in effigy in West Hollywood during the campaign.

Uhhh... That was actually an artist who put this up his roof as Halloween decoration.

But nice try anyway, son. 

Oh, so you can just claim anything is art and it is fine?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on August 11, 2009, 07:09:49 PM
Oh, so you can just claim anything is art and it is fine?

I mentioned it to show that it wasn't a public demonstration or protest during a political event, you dumbass.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 11, 2009, 08:36:41 PM
NC: Obama Approval, Birth (PPP 8/4-10)

By Emily Swanson

Public Policy Polling (D)
8/4-10/09; 749 likely voters, 3.6% margin of error
Mode: IVR
(PPP release)

North Carolina

Job Approval / Disapproval

Pres. Obama: 46 / 47 (chart)

Do you support or oppose President Obama's health care plan, or do you not have an opinion?

39% Support, 50% Oppose

Do you think Barack Obama was born in the United States?

54% Yes, 26% No


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: JerryBrown2010 on August 11, 2009, 11:21:05 PM
Support for congressional health care reform is pretty bad:

42% Support
53% Oppose

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/august_2009/support_for_congressional_health_care_reform_falls_to_new_low

Rasmussen will have it lower than anyone else, of course.

NYT/CBS polls: LIBERAL SOURCE, LOLOL.
Rasmussen polls: Completely accurate and fair.

Also, since Republicans have engaged in tactics of organized disinformation, disruption, and outright lying, this should hardly be surprising.

So having Obama's Approval 49% and his Disapproval 50% is fair.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 11, 2009, 11:42:41 PM
Virginia (Rasmussen):

48% Approve
51% Disapprove

(Tim Kaine)

56% Approve
43% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Virginia was conducted by Rasmussen Reports August 10, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2009/virginia/toplines/toplines_virginia_governor_election_august_10_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on August 11, 2009, 11:53:24 PM
RAS had Mccain gaining In PA last fall.They had people supporting Drill Baby Drill.How well
did that go.As a rule I Ignore RAS untill we are In General Elections then they can be taken
seriously.As for CBS/NYTimes polls calling them liberal orginazations are a joke.The New York
Times buried the surveilance programs till 2005.And If you think CBS Is proObama that Is
news to the Democratic base.

Not really.  His final poll (if I'm not mistaken) showed Obama+8.

Rasmussen was pretty accurate during this cycle. He may have been 1-2 points bias to the Republicans, but nothing along the lines of how this forum depicts them. Obama's approvals are certainly not at the NYT and CBS levels. Those firms are just as bias as Rasmussen. Anyone who claims otherwise is a mindless hack.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on August 12, 2009, 12:08:55 AM
RAS had Mccain gaining In PA last fall.They had people supporting Drill Baby Drill.How well
did that go.As a rule I Ignore RAS untill we are In General Elections then they can be taken
seriously.As for CBS/NYTimes polls calling them liberal orginazations are a joke.The New York
Times buried the surveilance programs till 2005.And If you think CBS Is proObama that Is
news to the Democratic base.

Not really.  His final poll (if I'm not mistaken) showed Obama+8.

Rasmussen was pretty accurate during this cycle. He may have been 1-2 points bias to the Republicans, but nothing along the lines of how this forum depicts them. Obama's approvals are certainly not at the NYT and CBS levels. Those firms are just as bias as Rasmussen. Anyone who claims otherwise is a mindless hack.
No one is arguing that his election polls are inaccurate but rather his off year polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on August 12, 2009, 12:16:37 AM
RAS had Mccain gaining In PA last fall.They had people supporting Drill Baby Drill.How well
did that go.As a rule I Ignore RAS untill we are In General Elections then they can be taken
seriously.As for CBS/NYTimes polls calling them liberal orginazations are a joke.The New York
Times buried the surveilance programs till 2005.And If you think CBS Is proObama that Is
news to the Democratic base.

Not really.  His final poll (if I'm not mistaken) showed Obama+8.

Rasmussen was pretty accurate during this cycle. He may have been 1-2 points bias to the Republicans, but nothing along the lines of how this forum depicts them. Obama's approvals are certainly not at the NYT and CBS levels. Those firms are just as bias as Rasmussen. Anyone who claims otherwise is a mindless hack.
No one is arguing that his election polls are inaccurate but rather his off year polls.


Really? He was pretty accurate on the 2006 Senate races and nailed Virginia. In which case was he inaccurate in off year polls? I am using his most recent examples. I know Rasmussen was a mess in 2000 and 2002.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on August 12, 2009, 12:44:41 AM
Do you think Barack Obama was born in the United States?

54% Yes, 26% No

That's pretty embarassing considering the "Yes" is only a few points higher than the percentage that voted for him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 12, 2009, 12:46:40 AM
Do you think Barack Obama was born in the United States?

54% Yes, 26% No

That's pretty embarassing considering the "Yes" is only a few points higher than the percentage that voted for him.

Actually not. Only the electorate of the Republican Party is embarrassing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 12, 2009, 01:38:37 AM
Do you think Barack Obama was born in the United States?

54% Yes, 26% No

That's pretty embarassing considering the "Yes" is only a few points higher than the percentage that voted for him.

Actually not. Only the electorate of the Republican Party is embarrassing.

Not all of us are loons.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on August 12, 2009, 02:13:21 AM
Do you think Barack Obama was born in the United States?

54% Yes, 26% No

That's pretty embarassing considering the "Yes" is only a few points higher than the percentage that voted for him.

Actually not. Only the electorate of the Republican Party is embarrassing.

Not all of us are loons.

Well then you should be embarassed by those poll numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: MaxQue on August 12, 2009, 02:46:26 AM
Do you think Barack Obama was born in the United States?

54% Yes, 26% No

That's pretty embarassing considering the "Yes" is only a few points higher than the percentage that voted for him.

Don't forget than there is a part of the ''No'' who voted for Barack Obama. In the polls, there were always a part of the population who was ''I vote for Obama, but I think he is not born in America''.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 12, 2009, 02:53:09 AM
Do you think Barack Obama was born in the United States?

54% Yes, 26% No

That's pretty embarassing considering the "Yes" is only a few points higher than the percentage that voted for him.

Don't forget than there is a part of the ''No'' who voted for Barack Obama. In the polls, there were always a part of the population who was ''I vote for Obama, but I think he is not born in America''.

That's the "well, I done had to vote for the n" crowd. They are an interesting lot.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 12, 2009, 06:15:50 AM
New Jersey(Quinnipiac)

Approve 56%
Disapprove 39%

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1363


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on August 12, 2009, 09:36:14 AM
Support for congressional health care reform is pretty bad:

42% Support
53% Oppose

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/august_2009/support_for_congressional_health_care_reform_falls_to_new_low

Rasmussen will have it lower than anyone else, of course.

NYT/CBS polls: LIBERAL SOURCE, LOLOL.
Rasmussen polls: Completely accurate and fair.

Also, since Republicans have engaged in tactics of organized disinformation, disruption, and outright lying, this should hardly be surprising.

flag@whitehouse.gov


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ronnie on August 12, 2009, 10:45:43 AM
Yikes:

8/12/09:
48% approve
52% disapprove

I still don't understand why Rasmussen doesn't have a registered voter model.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on August 12, 2009, 11:06:13 AM
Do you think Barack Obama was born in the United States?

54% Yes, 26% No

That's pretty embarassing considering the "Yes" is only a few points higher than the percentage that voted for him.

Actually not. Only the electorate of the Republican Party is embarrassing.

Not all of us are loons.

Well then you should be embarassed by those poll numbers.

It's the rural Republicans who say he isn't born in the US A.K.A the backwood Hillbillies.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on August 12, 2009, 12:30:01 PM
RAS had Mccain gaining In PA last fall.They had people supporting Drill Baby Drill.How well
did that go.As a rule I Ignore RAS untill we are In General Elections then they can be taken
seriously.As for CBS/NYTimes polls calling them liberal orginazations are a joke.The New York
Times buried the surveilance programs till 2005.And If you think CBS Is proObama that Is
news to the Democratic base.

Not really.  His final poll (if I'm not mistaken) showed Obama+8.

Rasmussen was pretty accurate during this cycle. He may have been 1-2 points bias to the Republicans, but nothing along the lines of how this forum depicts them. Obama's approvals are certainly not at the NYT and CBS levels. Those firms are just as bias as Rasmussen. Anyone who claims otherwise is a mindless hack.
No one is arguing that his election polls are inaccurate but rather his off year polls.


Really? He was pretty accurate on the 2006 Senate races and nailed Virginia. In which case was he inaccurate in off year polls? I am using his most recent examples. I know Rasmussen was a mess in 2000 and 2002.
By off year polls, I mean in reading public opinion.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 12, 2009, 12:54:59 PM
Marist Poll:

55% Approve
35% Disapprove

This survey of 938 United States residents was conducted on August 3rd through August 6th, 2009. There are 845 registered voters. The results for this subset are statistically significant at ±3.5%.  The error margin increases for cross-tabulations.

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/usapolls/us090803/Obama_Eco%20Release/Obama%20Approval%20Rating.htm


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 12, 2009, 02:03:51 PM
Marist Poll:

55% Approve
35% Disapprove

This survey of 938 United States residents was conducted on August 3rd through August 6th, 2009. There are 845 registered voters. The results for this subset are statistically significant at ±3.5%.  The error margin increases for cross-tabulations.

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/usapolls/us090803/Obama_Eco%20Release/Obama%20Approval%20Rating.htm

COMMIE POLL!!!!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ronnie on August 12, 2009, 02:17:08 PM
This poll is even more exaggerated than Gallup, which is a little exaggerated as it is.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 12, 2009, 02:19:13 PM
This poll is even more exaggerated than Gallup, which is a little exaggerated as it is.

You forget that Gallup was at 58-36 between August 3-6, when this Marist poll was conducted.

RV about 3% lower than adults is ok, disapproval higher could be MoE movement.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 12, 2009, 02:34:57 PM
Arkansas - Wilson Research Strategies (R):

42% Approve
54% Disapprove

(Mike Beebe)

78% Approve
15% Disapprove

(Blanche Lincoln)

49% Approve
40% Disapprove

The poll was commissioned by Talk Business Quarterly, a magazine headed by Stephens Media columnist Roby Brock. Washington-based Wilson Research Strategies (R) surveyed 600 likely Arkansas voters by phone July 13-15.

http://arkansasnews.com/2009/08/12/poll-beebe-has-78-percent-approval-rating-lincoln-49-percent/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 12, 2009, 02:41:14 PM
Here's the complete breakdown of this Arkansas poll:

http://www.talkbusiness.net/assets/documents/TBQ309poll.pdf

Obama Favorables:

44% Favorable
51% Unfavorable


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on August 12, 2009, 02:44:37 PM
Arkansas - Wilson Research Strategies (R):

42% Approve
54% Disapprove

(Mike Beebe)

78% Approve
15% Disapprove

(Blanche Lincoln)

49% Approve
40% Disapprove

The poll was commissioned by Talk Business Quarterly, a magazine headed by Stephens Media columnist Roby Brock. Washington-based Wilson Research Strategies (R) surveyed 600 likely Arkansas voters by phone July 13-15.

http://arkansasnews.com/2009/08/12/poll-beebe-has-78-percent-approval-rating-lincoln-49-percent/

Something interesting from this on Lincoln, is that only 27% of voters will definately vote for Lincoln in 2010, meaning Lincoln could be somewhat vulnerable, with the right opponent. Huckabee would probably easily beat Lincoln, if he ran.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on August 12, 2009, 03:23:39 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/pennsylvania/toplines_healthcare_in_pennsylvania_august_11_2009
Approve 51
Dissaprove 47


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 12, 2009, 05:35:16 PM

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The Rasmussen poll of Virginia is on the heel of another poll, so I call the state a tie. Arkansas? A matter of time.

Obama must in Pennsylvania about 53-47 to have a reasonable chance to win in view of the state being about D+3.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Holmes on August 12, 2009, 06:24:56 PM
Arkansas - Wilson Research Strategies (R):

42% Approve
54% Disapprove

(Mike Beebe)

78% Approve
15% Disapprove

(Blanche Lincoln)

49% Approve
40% Disapprove

The poll was commissioned by Talk Business Quarterly, a magazine headed by Stephens Media columnist Roby Brock. Washington-based Wilson Research Strategies (R) surveyed 600 likely Arkansas voters by phone July 13-15.

http://arkansasnews.com/2009/08/12/poll-beebe-has-78-percent-approval-rating-lincoln-49-percent/

Something interesting from this on Lincoln, is that only 27% of voters will definately vote for Lincoln in 2010, meaning Lincoln could be somewhat vulnerable, with the right opponent. Huckabee would probably easily beat Lincoln, if he ran.

27 - 73 against Jesus Christ confirmed.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on August 12, 2009, 06:41:11 PM
Arkansas - Wilson Research Strategies (R):

42% Approve
54% Disapprove

(Mike Beebe)

78% Approve
15% Disapprove

(Blanche Lincoln)

49% Approve
40% Disapprove

The poll was commissioned by Talk Business Quarterly, a magazine headed by Stephens Media columnist Roby Brock. Washington-based Wilson Research Strategies (R) surveyed 600 likely Arkansas voters by phone July 13-15.

http://arkansasnews.com/2009/08/12/poll-beebe-has-78-percen
t-approval-rating-lincoln-49-percent/

Does any governer have a higher approval than Beebe?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on August 12, 2009, 06:44:27 PM
Arkansas - Wilson Research Strategies (R):

42% Approve
54% Disapprove

(Mike Beebe)

78% Approve
15% Disapprove

(Blanche Lincoln)

49% Approve
40% Disapprove

The poll was commissioned by Talk Business Quarterly, a magazine headed by Stephens Media columnist Roby Brock. Washington-based Wilson Research Strategies (R) surveyed 600 likely Arkansas voters by phone July 13-15.

http://arkansasnews.com/2009/08/12/poll-beebe-has-78-percen
t-approval-rating-lincoln-49-percent/

Does any governer have a higher approval than Beebe?

Hunstman had 86% a few days ago.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on August 12, 2009, 08:54:51 PM

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The Rasmussen poll of Virginia is on the heel of another poll, so I call the state a tie. Arkansas? A matter of time.

Obama must in Pennsylvania about 53-47 to have a reasonable chance to win in view of the state being about D+3.

You didn't change NC, new PPP poll is out, look on the page before this one to see it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 12, 2009, 09:00:24 PM
Arkansas - Wilson Research Strategies (R):

42% Approve
54% Disapprove

(Mike Beebe)

78% Approve
15% Disapprove

(Blanche Lincoln)

49% Approve
40% Disapprove

The poll was commissioned by Talk Business Quarterly, a magazine headed by Stephens Media columnist Roby Brock. Washington-based Wilson Research Strategies (R) surveyed 600 likely Arkansas voters by phone July 13-15.

http://arkansasnews.com/2009/08/12/poll-beebe-has-78-percen
t-approval-rating-lincoln-49-percent/

Does any governer have a higher approval than Beebe?

Hunstman had 86% a few days ago.

Hoeven was in the ballpark but I think it was an internal.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 12, 2009, 11:40:40 PM
The Rasmussen poll of Virginia is on the heel of another poll, so I call the state a tie. Arkansas? A matter of time.

Obama must in Pennsylvania about 53-47 to have a reasonable chance to win in view of the state being about D+3.

Obama is in negative territory in VA (2 polls by Rasmussen and PPP) and in NC (PPP).

The poll by R2000 for DailyKos is using "Favorables", which are normally higher and shouldn't be included in your maps ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on August 12, 2009, 11:54:13 PM
Ah, but pbrower2 uses the polls that make the map look most favorable to Obama. Texas and Utah will be competitive, you see.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajc0918 on August 12, 2009, 11:58:56 PM
There needs to be more Florida polls conducted. I'm interested to see current approvals.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 13, 2009, 12:02:15 AM
There needs to be more Florida polls conducted. I'm interested to see current approvals.

What do people think in your part of Florida?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajc0918 on August 13, 2009, 12:03:45 AM
There needs to be more Florida polls conducted. I'm interested to see current approvals.

What do people think in your part of Florida?

Well I think most people are against the healthcare reform stuff. As seen in the Tampa/Kathy Castor protest. Especially most seniors are worried.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 13, 2009, 12:07:11 AM
Ah, but pbrower2 uses the polls that make the map look most favorable to Obama. Texas and Utah will be competitive, you see.

The UT poll is about 5 months old or so and the TX poll was a useless University poll (also months old) ...

Probably maps should only include polls that were posted here or anywhere else and which are just up to 1 month old.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on August 13, 2009, 12:07:24 AM
There needs to be more Florida polls conducted. I'm interested to see current approvals.

What do people think in your part of Florida?

Well I think most people are against the healthcare reform stuff. As seen in the Tampa/Kathy Castor protest. Especially most seniors are worried.

Well they have good reason to be.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on August 13, 2009, 07:13:45 AM

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The Rasmussen poll of Virginia is on the heel of another poll, so I call the state a tie. Arkansas? A matter of time.

Obama must in Pennsylvania about 53-47 to have a reasonable chance to win in view of the state being about D+3.
don't forget NC in yellow ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on August 13, 2009, 07:15:21 AM
Ah, but pbrower2 uses the polls that make the map look most favorable to Obama. Texas and Utah will be competitive, you see.
You're SO right :)
He could have been Obama's adviser ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 13, 2009, 07:33:59 AM
There needs to be more Florida polls conducted. I'm interested to see current approvals.

What do people think in your part of Florida?

Well I think most people are against the healthcare reform stuff. As seen in the Tampa/Kathy Castor protest. Especially most seniors are worried.

Well they have good reason to be.

Yeah, with those death panels and everything.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on August 13, 2009, 11:51:54 AM
Do you think Barack Obama was born in the United States?

54% Yes, 26% No

That's pretty embarassing considering the "Yes" is only a few points higher than the percentage that voted for him.

Don't forget than there is a part of the ''No'' who voted for Barack Obama. In the polls, there were always a part of the population who was ''I vote for Obama, but I think he is not born in America''.
Including a measurable percentage who believed he was Muslim and voted for him anyway.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on August 13, 2009, 01:29:12 PM
Do you think Barack Obama was born in the United States?

54% Yes, 26% No

That's pretty embarassing considering the "Yes" is only a few points higher than the percentage that voted for him.

Don't forget than there is a part of the ''No'' who voted for Barack Obama. In the polls, there were always a part of the population who was ''I vote for Obama, but I think he is not born in America''.
Including a measurable percentage who believed he was Muslim and voted for him anyway.
Except there were almost none of these people. I'm sure in a Romney vs. Obama contest there would be a lot more birthers for Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 13, 2009, 06:01:14 PM

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The Rasmussen poll of Virginia is on the heel of another poll, so I call the state a tie. Arkansas? A matter of time.

Obama must in Pennsylvania about 53-47 to have a reasonable chance to win in view of the state being about D+3.

You didn't change NC, new PPP poll is out, look on the page before this one to see it.

I missed it. The correction is made.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on August 13, 2009, 07:10:56 PM
Do you think Barack Obama was born in the United States?

54% Yes, 26% No

That's pretty embarassing considering the "Yes" is only a few points higher than the percentage that voted for him.

Don't forget than there is a part of the ''No'' who voted for Barack Obama. In the polls, there were always a part of the population who was ''I vote for Obama, but I think he is not born in America''.
Including a measurable percentage who believed he was Muslim and voted for him anyway.
Except there were almost none of these people. I'm sure in a Romney vs. Obama contest there would be a lot more birthers for Obama.
Pre-election polls showed a number of such voters IIRC


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on August 13, 2009, 07:18:27 PM
I trust the embracement of enlightened Democratic pragmatism taken by VA, NC, FL and NV, in 2008, wasn't a temporary blip. Still, they are holding Obama to a higher standard, at this point, than they ever did Bush, which can only bode well for good government

Bush abused the ideological nature of America, Obama cannot do that


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 13, 2009, 08:24:06 PM
I hope the enlightened embracement of pragmatism taken by VA, NC, FL and NV, in 2008, wasn't a temporary blip. Still, they are holding Obama to a higher standard, at this stage, than they ever did Bush, which can only bode well for good government

We need good government more than we need bigger or smaller government. Bad small government will prove dreadfully inadequate for such needs as we will have in what look like dangerous times; bad big government will simply bleed most of us.

Many of our current problems result from having held Dubya too long to low standards of achievement, rationality, and moral conduct as President. We see the consequences -- consequences that won't vanish quickly.

The young-adult vote portends a strong trend away from the GOP as it is currently configured.  It reflects that young Americans no longer trust Big Business or the Religious Right, two of the key constituencies of the GOP.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on August 13, 2009, 08:33:53 PM
If the election was today, I would put the map at something around this...

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With the corruption with Governor Sanford, South Carolina is a state Obama might be able to win in 2012, if he can raise his approval rating. Tennesee's poll is extremly out of date, so I'm basically trying to go off the polls of states around it. Polling in Indiana would be appreciated as well.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 13, 2009, 08:48:15 PM
I trust the embracement of enlightened Democratic pragmatism taken by VA, NC, FL and NV, in 2008, wasn't a temporary blip. Still, they are holding Obama to a higher standard, at this point, than they ever did Bush, which can only bode well for good government

Bush abused the ideological nature of America, Obama cannot do that

Enlightened Democratic pragmatism. I think NC has had enough of that BS after the Mike Easley Administration, Meg Scott Phipps, State House Speaker Jim Black, and State Rep. Tom Wright.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 14, 2009, 12:01:08 AM
FOX News/Opinion Dynamics:

53% Approve
40% Disapprove

Polling was conducted by telephone August 11-12, 2009, in the evenings. The total sample is 900 registered voters nationwide with a margin of error of ±3 percentage points. Results are of registered voters, unless otherwise noted.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/081309_poll.pdf

The Economist/YouGov (Internet Poll):

49% Approve
43% Disapprove

1000 Adults, August 9-11

http://media.economist.com/media/pdf/Toplines20090813.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on August 14, 2009, 09:01:33 AM
I trust the embracement of enlightened Democratic pragmatism taken by VA, NC, FL and NV, in 2008, wasn't a temporary blip. Still, they are holding Obama to a higher standard, at this point, than they ever did Bush, which can only bode well for good government

Bush abused the ideological nature of America, Obama cannot do that

Enlightened Democratic pragmatism. I think NC has had enough of that BS after the Mike Easley Administration, Meg Scott Phipps, State House Speaker Jim Black, and State Rep. Tom Wright.

Maybe I'm just down on all that governance with all the finesse of an idiologically-driven cackhanded incompetent on the part of George W Bush, aided and abetted by a most servile - and yes, you can take in the most derogatory sense of the word - Republican Party in Congress

Bush might be gone but the party is still singing from the same hymn book in their slavish dogmatic adherence to 1) a fiscal policy skewed in favor of the wealthiest and 2) deregulation

Ever occurred to you that had they been not so downright incompetent and neglectful, there wouldn't have been much of a red flag for me to charge at? Competence is my litmus. Bush abused the ideological nature of America (center-right in so far as conservatives outnumber liberals) and that enabled him to get a pass ::) for as long as he did - and with near catastrophic consequences

Believe it or not, it was not until August 2004 when I emerged from the shadows to become a critic. And all that should tell you is that I was more than willing to give the man some grace, especially in the wake of 9/11. Doesn't this president deserve the same given the challenges he is having to face?

As long as the Rabid Reactionary Right continues to perpetuate falsehoods against him and his policies, I've no intention of sitting silent


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on August 14, 2009, 09:05:49 AM

Many of our current problems result from having held Dubya too long to low standards of achievement, rationality, and moral conduct as President. We see the consequences -- consequences that won't vanish quickly.

Now that is what I do consider to be telling it like it is :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 16, 2009, 06:29:25 AM
NY (Quinnipiac University):

60% Approve
35% Disapprove

In today's survey, Obama wins 92 - 7 percent approval from Democrats and 50 - 42 percent support from independent voters, while Republicans turn thumbs down 73 - 20 percent.

From August 10 - 13, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,667 New York State registered voters, with a margin of error of +/- 2.4 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1284.xml?ReleaseID=1364


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on August 16, 2009, 02:50:46 PM
Trends for comparison:

Carter Aug. 1977: 63/20

Reagan Aug. 1981: 60/29

Bush I Aug. 1989: 69/19

Clinton Aug. 1993: 44/48

Bush II Aug. 2001: 56/35


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on August 16, 2009, 11:19:09 PM
Snap shot trends are bad.

Use this. I actually posted it before.

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-presapp0605-31.html

It shows you how much of an exception Clinton really is.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on August 17, 2009, 07:00:55 AM
Uh, no there not bad. They show how different presidents were at similar times in their career.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on August 17, 2009, 08:31:31 AM
They aren't, because presidents start out differently and undergo different circumstances.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 17, 2009, 09:05:10 AM
August 14-16, 2009 - Rasmussen Tracking

Approve - 49% (+1%)
Disapprove - 50% (-2%)

Obviously yesterday was a good day for the rolling average.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 17, 2009, 02:12:04 PM
Illinois (Rasmussen):

56% Approve
42% Disapprove

(Pat Quinn)

47% Approve
49% Disapprove

This telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Illinois was conducted by Rasmussen Reports August 12, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/illinois/toplines_illinois_senate_august_12_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 17, 2009, 03:18:36 PM
Illinois (Rasmussen):

56% Approve
42% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/illinois/toplines_illinois_senate_august_12_2009

Uh... WHAT? Obama's definitely in a bad state ATM.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on August 17, 2009, 03:21:23 PM
So Obama's current approval ratings are Bush 2004-esque.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 17, 2009, 03:23:58 PM
Illinois (Rasmussen):

56% Approve
42% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/illinois/toplines_illinois_senate_august_12_2009

According to Scott Rasmussen's off-year polling, he sure is.

Uh... WHAT? Obama's definitely in a bad state ATM.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on August 17, 2009, 03:25:26 PM
Trends for comparison:

Carter Aug. 1977: 63/20

Reagan Aug. 1981: 60/29

Bush I Aug. 1989: 69/19

Clinton Aug. 1993: 44/48

Bush II Aug. 2001: 56/35


By early September, Carter had fallen to where Obama currently is. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 17, 2009, 03:28:04 PM
Presumably, they're heading much lower.  The person who flinches at a showdown always gets hit.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 17, 2009, 03:28:10 PM
Having Illinois 7 points more Democratic than his national numbers are actually pretty damn consistent.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 17, 2009, 03:28:34 PM
So Obama's current approval ratings are Bush 2004-esque.

:|

Can you imagine him at 25% in November 2012? That'd be horrible...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on August 17, 2009, 03:38:27 PM
So Obama's current approval ratings are Bush 2004-esque.

:|

Can you imagine him at 25% in November 2012? That'd be horrible...

Yes, but the level of horrible would be determined by who the Republican Nominee is....


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on August 17, 2009, 03:43:45 PM
Democrats should have never wanted to win this election.  This has just been a disaster.  Democrats need to start running away from and against Obama like they did to Carter. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on August 17, 2009, 03:49:43 PM
I have confidence that his approvals will rebound by this winter.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 17, 2009, 04:46:18 PM
Democrats should have never wanted to win this election.  This has just been a disaster.  Democrats need to start running away from and against Obama like they did to Carter. 

Don't blame the cycle. The economy isn't helping, but the real problem is a leadership vacuum.

Obama has no leadership experience and it shows. Bush may have consistently led us down the wrong path, but at least he could lead.

But, yes, you're right, it's time for 2010 Dems in vulnerable seats to shy away from White House photo ops. Maybe even for 2009.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on August 17, 2009, 04:54:07 PM
Democrats should have never wanted to win this election.  This has just been a disaster.  Democrats need to start running away from and against Obama like they did to Carter. 

Don't blame the cycle. The economy isn't helping, but the real problem is a leadership vacuum.

Obama has no leadership experience and it shows. Bush may have consistently led us down the wrong path, but at least he could lead.

But, yes, you're right, it's time for 2010 Dems in vulnerable seats to shy away from White House photo ops. Maybe even for 2009.
This is a stupid statement on so many levels. Obama is still fairly popular, and is still extremely popular among the base. We have no idea what his approval ratings will be in the next year There are too many things that no one knows about that makes this a dumb statement.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 17, 2009, 04:55:50 PM
Illinois (Rasmussen):

56% Approve
42% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/illinois/toplines_illinois_senate_august_12_2009

Uh... WHAT? Obama's definitely in a bad state ATM.

According to Scott Rasmussen's off-year polling, he sure is.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on August 17, 2009, 04:57:28 PM
Illinois (Rasmussen):

56% Approve
42% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/illinois/toplines_illinois_senate_august_12_2009

Uh... WHAT? Obama's definitely in a bad state ATM.

According to Scott Rasmussen's off-year polling, he sure is.
And as everyone knows Rasmussen's off-year polling is terrible. There is no way Kirk is up by three in Illinois. I could see a tie or a close race but not Kirk leading.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 17, 2009, 05:00:46 PM
Illinois (Rasmussen):

56% Approve
42% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/illinois/toplines_illinois_senate_august_12_2009

Uh... WHAT? Obama's definitely in a bad state ATM.

According to Scott Rasmussen's off-year polling, he sure is.
And as everyone knows Rasmussen's off-year polling is terrible. There is no way Kirk is up by three in Illinois. I could see a tie or a close race but not Kirk leading.

How is a tie really all that different than a 3 point lead when you factor in the MOE?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on August 17, 2009, 05:05:20 PM
Illinois (Rasmussen):

56% Approve
42% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/illinois/toplines_illinois_senate_august_12_2009

Uh... WHAT? Obama's definitely in a bad state ATM.

According to Scott Rasmussen's off-year polling, he sure is.
And as everyone knows Rasmussen's off-year polling is terrible. There is no way Kirk is up by three in Illinois. I could see a tie or a close race but not Kirk leading.

How is a tie really all that different than a 3 point lead when you factor in the MOE?
eh I don't really ever factor in MOE's. There's a difference between a three point lead and a tie for sure though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 17, 2009, 05:14:58 PM
Illinois (Rasmussen):

56% Approve
42% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/illinois/toplines_illinois_senate_august_12_2009

Uh... WHAT? Obama's definitely in a bad state ATM.

According to Scott Rasmussen's off-year polling, he sure is.

()

Well, I see two outliers here, one being the Ipsos poll. But, a poll being unfavourable to Obama, it must be legit. *eyeroll*


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on August 17, 2009, 05:19:40 PM
Illinois (Rasmussen):

56% Approve
42% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/illinois/toplines_illinois_senate_august_12_2009

Uh... WHAT? Obama's definitely in a bad state ATM.

According to Scott Rasmussen's off-year polling, he sure is.

()

Well, I see two outliers here, one being the Ipsos poll. But, a poll being unfavourable to Obama, it must be legit. *eyeroll*

Doesn't matter because Ipsos and Rasmussen balance each other out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 17, 2009, 05:30:35 PM
Why does everyone conveniently keep forgetting that both Quinnipiac and PPP also have him at 50% nationally?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 17, 2009, 05:31:56 PM
Why does everyone conveniently keep forgetting that both Quinnipiac and PPP also have him at 50% nationally?

Very different disapproval numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 17, 2009, 05:32:24 PM
Illinois (Rasmussen):

56% Approve
42% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/illinois/toplines_illinois_senate_august_12_2009

Uh... WHAT? Obama's definitely in a bad state ATM.

According to Scott Rasmussen's off-year polling, he sure is.
And as everyone knows Rasmussen's off-year polling is terrible. There is no way Kirk is up by three in Illinois. I could see a tie or a close race but not Kirk leading.

How is a tie really all that different than a 3 point lead when you factor in the MOE?
eh I don't really ever factor in MOE's. There's a difference between a three point lead and a tie for sure though.

Well statistically speaking, they are exactly the same considering Rasmussen's poll has a 3.5% margin of error. But I get your point.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: bgwah on August 17, 2009, 05:34:23 PM
YAWN

The state of the economy in 2012 will determine whether or not Obama is re-elected, not the health care reform debate of 2009.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on August 17, 2009, 05:39:27 PM
YAWN

The state of the economy in 2012 will determine whether or not Obama is re-elected, not the health care reform debate of 2009.
This guy gets it. Still health care will definitley be a factor for the 2010 midterms and 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 17, 2009, 05:51:06 PM
YAWN

The state of the economy in 2012 will determine whether or not Obama is re-elected, not the health care reform debate of 2009.

I'm more worried about 2010 at this point.  The health care reform debate of 93 was one of the ways Republicans got their "in" leading to their '94 showing. Clinton easily recovered during 95 and 96 leading to his re-election, although (as someone in another thread said earlier) he had the option of pushing the blame on Hillary.

But yeah, if America is no longer in recession and unemployment is down, prepare to be hearing a concession from (which will probably be from) Governor Romney on November 6th 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 17, 2009, 05:55:05 PM
Why does everyone conveniently keep forgetting that both Quinnipiac and PPP also have him at 50% nationally?

Look at the spread. 50/42 implies that it is still a majority among those who make a choice. It's a substantial majority at that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 17, 2009, 06:15:56 PM
This is a stupid statement on so many levels. Obama is still fairly popular, and is still extremely popular among the base. We have no idea what his approval ratings will be in the next year There are too many things that no one knows about that makes this a dumb statement.

Before blinking on health care reform, Obama was already upside down amongst independents in New Jersey and upside down amongst registered voters in Virginia. And all indications are that things will be getting worse instead of better.

I don't know for sure where his approvals will be even three months from now, but given the last seven months of his administration, I can make a pretty good educated guess.

Update: Corrected for fairness.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on August 17, 2009, 07:25:47 PM
This is a stupid statement on so many levels. Obama is still fairly popular, and is still extremely popular among the base. We have no idea what his approval ratings will be in the next year There are too many things that no one knows about that makes this a dumb statement.

Before blinking on health care reform, Obama was already upside down amongst independents in New Jersey and upside down amongst registered voters in Virginia. And all indications are that things will be getting worse instead of better.

I don't know for sure where his approvals will be even three months from now, but given the last seven months of his administration, I can make a pretty good educated guess.

Still more confidence in this president than I ever had the dogmatoid arthritic who preceded him

Obama is being held to a higher standard. That's how it should be. No Democrat could make an arse of things through bad policy decisions and get a pass four years later. Bush abused the ideological nature of America to the point that he thought he'd never be held accountable - misruled, accordingly, and with near catastrophic consequences

The starting point of the Bush presidency was way prettier than the end point. Why didn't he build on the prosperity of the Clinton era? He was a compassionate conservative alright - and the bigger your wallet, the more compassion he had. Clinton, on the other hand, was fair; just as this president will endeavour to be

Can't be easy being for Obama attempting to seek consensus when so many on the other side remain dogmatically recalcitrant. They just aren't that interested in working with him on the major issues of the day. So invested in him failing, they are itching for the moment to perpetuate more of their own ::) - and they would, you mark my words


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on August 17, 2009, 08:23:57 PM
You keep repeating that over and over again, and it isn't any more convincing than the first time you said it.

The President does not control the economy. Bush and Clinton had absolutely nothing to do with how the economy performed under them.

The only thing I saw Bush get from the fall of 2003 on was an endless parade of attacks against him. Obama is getting beat up by the right, to be sure, but his media protectors are probably giving him an extra 10 points.

Democrats were pretty much invested in Bush's failure, and boy did they hit the jackpot. Why shoulld we expect Republicans to be different?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Beet on August 17, 2009, 08:34:37 PM
Exactly.

After fall 2003.

Up until Sept. 11, 2001, I was mildly indifferent to Bush, but I hoped the economy would go well for reasons not political. After that date, I approved of him and hoped he would succeed. As did most Democrats, which is why the country came together and he had 80, 90 percent approval ratings. After decades of polarizing culture wars, it felt the country had finally come together. Trust in the government was at a high, and people felt we were heading in the right direction. At the helm of this good feeling was our Command in Chief, George W. Bush.

In 2002 and 2003, I saw George W. Bush and the GOP take Sept. 11, and turn it from a national tragedy into a Republican campaign talking point. I saw them use it as a bludgeon to push us into a war in Iraq. Democrats even voted for the war and tried to support Bush. Bush's answer was to portray the Democrats as unpatriotic. Other conservative authors and radio and cable hosts were even worse. The GOP called Democrats "the enemy within" and used hard edged tactics in Congress to govern with an iron fist. Democrats did not turn against Bush until then. From then until the end of his Presidency Bush was the same... the stubborn Presidency of the voters who gave him his own non-existent mandate, while treating the rest of the country as much as a foreign country as possible.

As for the claim that the President does not control the economy, that is only true up to a point. It was the Washington Consensus, the blind faith in the "free market" and the miracles that it could do, and the miracles that financial innovation could do, that inequality and job loss does not matter, that created the crisis, and while both parties and even government regulators were all involved, this belief originated primarily from the Reagan wing of the GOP. It was strengthened under Bush. Under Bush, under these beliefs, people ran up tens of trillions of dollars of fraudulent debts, Bush campaigned under the fraudulent "prosperity" created by these fraudulent debts in 2004, and then in 2008-09 it was dumped on the following President to solve.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on August 17, 2009, 09:22:41 PM
You keep repeating that over and over again, and it isn't any more convincing than the first time you said it.


Well it's there ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on August 17, 2009, 09:29:06 PM
Democrats should have never wanted to win this election.  This has just been a disaster.  Democrats need to start running away from and against Obama like they did to Carter. 

Don't blame the cycle. The economy isn't helping, but the real problem is a leadership vacuum.

Obama has no leadership experience and it shows. Bush may have consistently led us down the wrong path, but at least he could lead.



Bush was able to lead?  Where was he when the economy began falling off a cliff in 2007?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: paul718 on August 17, 2009, 09:47:33 PM

Still more confidence in this president than I ever had the dogmatoid arthritic who preceded him

Because the Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit and No Child Left Behind adhered so closely to conservative dogma?


Quote from: Mr. Moderate

Don't blame the cycle. The economy isn't helping, but the real problem is a leadership vacuum.

Obama has no leadership experience and it shows. Bush may have consistently led us down the wrong path, but at least he could lead.



Bush was able to lead?  Where was he when the economy began falling off a cliff in 2007?

He signed a ridiculous "stimulus" bill.  When the sh**t really hit the fan, he signed the EESA against the will of his own party.  Oh, and he did this with a Congress in opposition.  While he may have made bad decisions, you can't say he wasn't able to lead.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 17, 2009, 11:45:47 PM
Having Illinois 7 points more Democratic than his national numbers are actually pretty damn consistent.

Yeah, in Rasmussen-World. The poll was conducted Aug. 12, when Obama was at 47/48 nationally. 9% higher approval in IL is exactly where he was on election day, relative to the national result.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 17, 2009, 11:46:53 PM
Virginia (Washington Post):

57% Approve
41% Disapprove

This Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone August 11-14, 2009, among a random sample of 1,002 adults in the Commonwealth of Virginia including users of both conventional and cellular phones. The results from the full survey have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points. Sampling, data collection and tabulation by TNS of Horsham, Pa.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_081609.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on August 17, 2009, 11:51:13 PM
Funny that you then post the Washington Post.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 17, 2009, 11:54:55 PM
Funny that you then post the Washington Post.

OK, then Pennsylvania (R2000/DailyKos):

55% Favorable
40% Unfavorable

The Research 2000 Pennsylvania Poll was conducted from August 10 through August 12, 2009. A total of 600 likely voters who vote regularly in state elections were interviewed statewide by telephone.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/8/12/PA/345


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on August 17, 2009, 11:56:06 PM
And another joke pollster...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on August 18, 2009, 12:06:19 AM
Virginia (Washington Post):

57% Approve
41% Disapprove

This Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone August 11-14, 2009, among a random sample of 1,002 adults in the Commonwealth of Virginia including users of both conventional and cellular phones. The results from the full survey have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points. Sampling, data collection and tabulation by TNS of Horsham, Pa.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_081609.html

And yet it has McDonnell leading Deeds by 7-15 points.  ::)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 18, 2009, 12:13:59 AM
Virginia (Washington Post):

57% Approve
41% Disapprove

This Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone August 11-14, 2009, among a random sample of 1,002 adults in the Commonwealth of Virginia including users of both conventional and cellular phones. The results from the full survey have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points. Sampling, data collection and tabulation by TNS of Horsham, Pa.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_081609.html

And yet it has McDonnell leading Deeds by 7-15 points.  ::)

The Obama approval is among "adults", the governor race is about "registered and likely voters".

If you scroll down to the bottom, you'll notice the completely different makeup of these groups:

ADULTS: 37% IND, 31% DEM, 28% REP (IND lean 16-15 for the REPs)

RV: 35% IND, 31% DEM, 29% REP (IND lean 17-13 for the REPs)

LV: 34% IND, 27% DEM, 34% REP (IND lean 20-11 for the REPs)

So, there's a 46-44 DEM advantage among Adults, a 46-44 REP advantage among RV and a 54-38 REP advantage among LV ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on August 18, 2009, 12:21:26 AM
Well statistically speaking, they are exactly the same considering Rasmussen's poll has a 3.5% margin of error. But I get your point.

not quite.  Statistically speaking, we cannot be 95% sure that they are not the same result.  They are not "exactly the same" until we're 95% sure they aren't the same and then we magically decide that they are definitely different.  That doesn't make any sense

Just because a poll is within the MoE does not mean the result should be assumed to be the same, and 95% is a fundamentally arbitrary cut-off anyway


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 18, 2009, 01:11:03 AM
Virginia (Washington Post):

57% Approve
41% Disapprove

This Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone August 11-14, 2009, among a random sample of 1,002 adults in the Commonwealth of Virginia including users of both conventional and cellular phones. The results from the full survey have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points. Sampling, data collection and tabulation by TNS of Horsham, Pa.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_081609.html

Probably too good to be true.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 18, 2009, 06:16:28 AM
Can't be easy being for Obama attempting to seek consensus when so many on the other side remain dogmatically recalcitrant.

It also can't be easy for Obama to seek consensus when he's unable to lead.

A good leader doesn't pass the buck. A good leader starts with a plan, and then leads people towards consensus.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 18, 2009, 07:59:25 AM
Virginia (Washington Post):

57% Approve
41% Disapprove

This Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone August 11-14, 2009, among a random sample of 1,002 adults in the Commonwealth of Virginia including users of both conventional and cellular phones. The results from the full survey have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points. Sampling, data collection and tabulation by TNS of Horsham, Pa.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_081609.html

...no...even I can admit that that's not right.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 18, 2009, 08:02:13 AM

Still more confidence in this president than I ever had the dogmatoid arthritic who preceded him

Because the Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit and No Child Left Behind adhered so closely to conservative dogma?

No Child Left Behind (NCLB) was practically designed to feed purveyors of standardized tests. It pushed teachers and school administrators to meet the demands of tests at the expense of other teaching activities -- anything other than the Three Rs. Such came at the cost of such essentials as science, history, civics,  and the arts. You know science, right? That's how we solve lots of problems. History is how we make sense of events. Civics tells us the norms of government (norms that Bush, Cheney, Rove, Abramoff, and deLay mocked to the detiment of good practice). The arts establish that more exists to life than crude acquisitiveness.

The Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit forced the government to pay top dollar for prescription medications, clearly something that only a corporate stooge would promote.

Quote
Quote from: Mr. Moderate

Don't blame the cycle. The economy isn't helping, but the real problem is a leadership vacuum.

Obama has no leadership experience and it shows. Bush may have consistently led us down the wrong path, but at least he could lead.



Bush was able to lead?  Where was he when the economy began falling off a cliff in 2007?

He signed a ridiculous "stimulus" bill.  When the sh**t really hit the fan, he signed the EESA against the will of his own party.  Oh, and he did this with a Congress in opposition.  While he may have made bad decisions, you can't say he wasn't able to lead.


Whatever deficiencies Obama may have as a leader, his deficiencies are nothing contrasted to those of Dubya. Dubya was a pathological liar and a puppet of those who gave him his campaign funds. As for the stimulus bill, such came at the behest of his buddies in the financial industry, people who themselves created the problem and got scared of consequences of failure that might include mass revolt that might happen under his successor. To them it mattered far less who would be President then than that there be no threat of revolution. Choose your metaphor for the consequences: the financiers culpable for the subprime lending/real-estate bubble meltdown would be among the first to go to the wall before the firing squad (as in Castro's Cuba) or be led to the guillotine (French Revolution).  At the least the would be dispossessed like aristocrats in Lenin's Bolshevik Russia... it was the financiers who were scared. Add to that, much of the give-away was to foreign investors -- like capitalists in China -- who insisted on a return of the investment that the Bush maladministration pushed upon them. Those who rip off foreign lenders are in deep trouble; they make it good or they take others down with themselves. You didn't expect Chinese lenders to let us off the hook for our follies, did you? Don't you think that they would have ways in which to overthrow those who ripped them off?

As for economic management, Dubya stood for the most hare-brained of policies possible: rewarding tycoons and executives for gutting a nation's manufacturing with tax cuts while promoting speculation in real estate as an anodyne. Except that the object of speculation in the 1920s was more in corporate securities than in real estate, Dubya's economic policies were out of the Harding/Coolidge playbook whence came the disaster that Herbert Hoover couldn't undo.   

Dubya had one virtue as a politician: he was loyal to those who raised him into the formality of power. He never contradicted them and never showed any resistance to their most hare-brained and myopic schemes. When his handlers got scared, he did what they told him to do. That stimulus bill arose when financiers got scared of images of people like them losing their class privilege, if not their lives.

The best evidence that Dubya was a disaster was that the GOP used his image as sparingly as possible -- and the Democrats exploited contempt of his egregious failures as much as possible.  Dubya took the trust that others had developed in America and trashed it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 18, 2009, 08:09:47 AM
Here we go again:

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Again, VA is an average, and if it weren't an average, it would be a darker shade of green.

Except for some very old polls (SC, TN, SD, UT), Obama seems to be about where he was in November 2008.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on August 18, 2009, 09:41:06 AM
No, he wasn't... his approvals were higher.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on August 18, 2009, 12:15:31 PM
Todays's Gallup Poll:

Approve - 52%
Disapprove - 42%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 18, 2009, 12:18:55 PM
Todays's Gallup Poll:

Approve - 52%
Disapprove - 42%

New low


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ronnie on August 18, 2009, 12:29:07 PM
At this point, I think Obama's approval is somewhere in between Rasmussen and Gallup, tilting a little bit to Gallup....say, around Obama+7


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 18, 2009, 12:35:46 PM
At this point, I think Obama's approval is somewhere in between Rasmussen and Gallup, tilting a little bit to Gallup....say, around Obama+7

Obama +7 (52-45)  is very close to the result of Election  2008. That's about 370 EV with the regional polarization of voting patterns that we now have.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: GLPman on August 18, 2009, 12:42:09 PM
At this point, I think Obama's approval is somewhere in between Rasmussen and Gallup, tilting a little bit to Gallup....say, around Obama+7

Obama +7 (52-45)  is very close to the result of Election  2008. That's about 370 EV with the regional polarization of voting patterns that we now have.



It's tough to make such a claim when there is no opponent to match up with Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 18, 2009, 12:51:33 PM
Don't mix up an apple with an orange, please.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on August 18, 2009, 12:52:10 PM
At this point, I think Obama's approval is somewhere in between Rasmussen and Gallup, tilting a little bit to Gallup....say, around Obama+7

Obama +7 (52-45)  is very close to the result of Election  2008. That's about 370 EV with the regional polarization of voting patterns that we now have.



No, it's not. His vote was around there. Approvals were higher. Some people approved of both him and McCain and voted for McCain.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on August 18, 2009, 12:57:31 PM
At this point, I think Obama's approval is somewhere in between Rasmussen and Gallup, tilting a little bit to Gallup....say, around Obama+7

Obama +7 (52-45)  is very close to the result of Election  2008. That's about 370 EV with the regional polarization of voting patterns that we now have.



Bush Approval Rating in 2004 Exit Poll:

Approve - 53%
Disapprove - 46%

Election Result:

Bush - 51% (286 ECV's)
Kerry - 48% (251 ECV's)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 18, 2009, 01:02:33 PM
At this point, I think Obama's approval is somewhere in between Rasmussen and Gallup, tilting a little bit to Gallup....say, around Obama+7

Obama +7 (52-45)  is very close to the result of Election  2008. That's about 370 EV with the regional polarization of voting patterns that we now have.





Bush Approval Rating in 2004 Exit Poll:

Approve - 53%
Disapprove - 46%

Election Result:

Bush - 51% (286 ECV's)
Kerry - 48% (251 ECV's)

Well within the margin of error. So was a near 50-50 split.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on August 18, 2009, 01:03:38 PM
At this point, I think Obama's approval is somewhere in between Rasmussen and Gallup, tilting a little bit to Gallup....say, around Obama+7

Obama +7 (52-45)  is very close to the result of Election  2008. That's about 370 EV with the regional polarization of voting patterns that we now have.



Approval ratings are generally higher than the actual vote percentage they will get.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on August 18, 2009, 01:16:43 PM
At this point, I think Obama's approval is somewhere in between Rasmussen and Gallup, tilting a little bit to Gallup....say, around Obama+7

I agree. I think his approvals will drop below 50 in the Gallup poll at some point in September. From there he could continue to dive, stagnate, or rise, depending.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 18, 2009, 01:21:08 PM
Virginia (Washington Post):

57% Approve
41% Disapprove

This Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone August 11-14, 2009, among a random sample of 1,002 adults in the Commonwealth of Virginia including users of both conventional and cellular phones. The results from the full survey have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points. Sampling, data collection and tabulation by TNS of Horsham, Pa.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_081609.html

Probably too good to be true.

Gallup's adult model had it 55-37 during the same time the WaPo adult VA poll was conducted.

The approval for VA might be on the upper hand of the 3%-MoE though, the disapproval in the state seems to be right relative to Gallup.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on August 18, 2009, 01:50:12 PM
At this point, I think Obama's approval is somewhere in between Rasmussen and Gallup, tilting a little bit to Gallup....say, around Obama+7

Obama +7 (52-45)  is very close to the result of Election  2008. That's about 370 EV with the regional polarization of voting patterns that we now have.





Bush Approval Rating in 2004 Exit Poll:

Approve - 53%
Disapprove - 46%

Election Result:

Bush - 51% (286 ECV's)
Kerry - 48% (251 ECV's)

Well within the margin of error. So was a near 50-50 split.

1. This was pretty consistent across polls and exit polls -- Bush was slightly more popular than he was strong electorally.  Hard to imagine, but there was a time where Bush was personally popular but lukewarm approvals -- just like Obama is now, except it's 2009 and not 2004.

2. The fact that it's within MoE does not automatically mean we can reject it.  That just means that we haven't reached a scientific level of reasonable certainty (somewhat arbitrarily, 95%).  Eighty percent certainty is still something.

3. I don't like using MoE with weighted exit polls because they are not a representative random sample.  Otherwise, they would not have to be re-weighted so frequently.

4. No, it wouldn't be within the Margin of Error.  The 2004 exit poll's MoE would have been ±0.84%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on August 18, 2009, 04:04:05 PM
Folks, it is all about the long-term trendlines here.  Actual numbers really aren't that important.

Also, if what I think is going on and conservatives are excited while liberals are deflated (generally), then Gallup should continue to go down because of its model, even if Rasmussen stays stagnant (Rasmussen weights a lot of this variation out).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 18, 2009, 04:53:57 PM
It's funny how hate can get conservatives so excited. (Honestly, they won't be able to do much beyond that for quite a while.)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on August 18, 2009, 05:07:32 PM
It's funny how hate can get conservatives so excited. (Honestly, they won't be able to do much beyond that for quite a while.)

Just like hate of Bush got conservatives so excited. ;D


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 18, 2009, 05:53:54 PM
NBC News/WSJ

Approve 51%
Disapprove 40%

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/NBC-WSJ_Poll.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on August 18, 2009, 06:22:58 PM
It's funny how hate can get conservatives so excited. (Honestly, they won't be able to do much beyond that for quite a while.)

Just like hate of Bush got conservatives so excited. ;D

Shouldn't that read liberals ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: paul718 on August 18, 2009, 08:57:16 PM

Still more confidence in this president than I ever had the dogmatoid arthritic who preceded him

Because the Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit and No Child Left Behind adhered so closely to conservative dogma?

No Child Left Behind (NCLB) was practically designed to feed purveyors of standardized tests. It pushed teachers and school administrators to meet the demands of tests at the expense of other teaching activities -- anything other than the Three Rs. Such came at the cost of such essentials as science, history, civics,  and the arts. You know science, right? That's how we solve lots of problems. History is how we make sense of events. Civics tells us the norms of government (norms that Bush, Cheney, Rove, Abramoff, and deLay mocked to the detiment of good practice). The arts establish that more exists to life than crude acquisitiveness.

The Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit forced the government to pay top dollar for prescription medications, clearly something that only a corporate stooge would promote.


I wasn't arguing the merits of either program.  I was merely bringing forth examples to debunk the myth that George W. Bush was some sort of dogmatic conservative.


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Quote from: Mr. Moderate

Don't blame the cycle. The economy isn't helping, but the real problem is a leadership vacuum.

Obama has no leadership experience and it shows. Bush may have consistently led us down the wrong path, but at least he could lead.



Bush was able to lead?  Where was he when the economy began falling off a cliff in 2007?

He signed a ridiculous "stimulus" bill.  When the sh**t really hit the fan, he signed the EESA against the will of his own party.  Oh, and he did this with a Congress in opposition.  While he may have made bad decisions, you can't say he wasn't able to lead.


Whatever deficiencies Obama may have as a leader, his deficiencies are nothing contrasted to those of Dubya. Dubya was a pathological liar and a puppet of those who gave him his campaign funds. As for the stimulus bill, such came at the behest of his buddies in the financial industry, people who themselves created the problem and got scared of consequences of failure that might include mass revolt that might happen under his successor. To them it mattered far less who would be President then than that there be no threat of revolution. Choose your metaphor for the consequences: the financiers culpable for the subprime lending/real-estate bubble meltdown would be among the first to go to the wall before the firing squad (as in Castro's Cuba) or be led to the guillotine (French Revolution).  At the least the would be dispossessed like aristocrats in Lenin's Bolshevik Russia... it was the financiers who were scared. Add to that, much of the give-away was to foreign investors -- like capitalists in China -- who insisted on a return of the investment that the Bush maladministration pushed upon them. Those who rip off foreign lenders are in deep trouble; they make it good or they take others down with themselves. You didn't expect Chinese lenders to let us off the hook for our follies, did you? Don't you think that they would have ways in which to overthrow those who ripped them off?

As for economic management, Dubya stood for the most hare-brained of policies possible: rewarding tycoons and executives for gutting a nation's manufacturing with tax cuts while promoting speculation in real estate as an anodyne. Except that the object of speculation in the 1920s was more in corporate securities than in real estate, Dubya's economic policies were out of the Harding/Coolidge playbook whence came the disaster that Herbert Hoover couldn't undo.   

Dubya had one virtue as a politician: he was loyal to those who raised him into the formality of power. He never contradicted them and never showed any resistance to their most hare-brained and myopic schemes. When his handlers got scared, he did what they told him to do. That stimulus bill arose when financiers got scared of images of people like them losing their class privilege, if not their lives.

The best evidence that Dubya was a disaster was that the GOP used his image as sparingly as possible -- and the Democrats exploited contempt of his egregious failures as much as possible.  Dubya took the trust that others had developed in America and trashed it.

Again, I don't mean to disregard your well-written and obiously well-thought out post, but my aim wasn't to justify Dubya's record as President.  I was countering Mr. Phips' statement that Dubya wasn't a leader.  He may not have led us in the best possible direction, but he was most certainly a leader.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 19, 2009, 08:24:47 AM
Rasmussen to overtake Gallup in 3, 2, 1 ...

51% Approve (+2)
49% Disapprove (-1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 19, 2009, 08:30:16 AM
Rasmussen to overtake Gallup in 3, 2, 1 ...

51% Approve (+2)
49% Disapprove (-1)

And the Gallup Vs Rasmussen people now have egg on their face...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 19, 2009, 08:33:43 AM
This isn't approval, although it is pretty interesting regarding economic management. I love how misleading the headline is aswell.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/august_2009/39_blame_obama_policies_for_bad_economy (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/august_2009/39_blame_obama_policies_for_bad_economy)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on August 19, 2009, 09:52:40 AM
It's not misleading, if you take it into context.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on August 19, 2009, 10:45:56 AM
Read my post above wrt Rasmussen and Gallup.  If what I'm seeing fits, then this should be the general movement that occurs. (Rasmussen flatlines, Gallup moves downward)

Note:  It is, of course, stupid to read anything into any one day samples.  But, some food for thought is that Rasmussen occasionally (and don't place your hopes on this) can show strengthening in approval when approval is actually accelerating downward.  It's counterintuitive but it has to do with the heavy, heavy weighting of his model.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 19, 2009, 12:05:38 PM
Gallup:

51% Approve
41% Disapprove

PPP:

52% Approve
42% Disapprove

PPP conducted a national survey of 909 voters from August 14th to 17th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-3.3%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_819513.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 19, 2009, 12:42:52 PM
Pew Research:

51% Approve
37% Disapprove

Results for this survey are based on telephone interviews conducted under the direction of Princeton Survey Research Associates International among a nationwide sample of 2,010 adults, 18 years of age or older, from August 11-17, 2009.

http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/536.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 19, 2009, 01:13:04 PM
Colorado (PPP):

49% Approve
47% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 969 Colorado voters from August 14th to 16th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-3.2%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_CO_819.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 19, 2009, 02:03:04 PM
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New poll for Colorado, but it changes nothing except to show that polling groups still pay attention to one of the states that decided the 2008 election.

Indiana, Nevada, Montana, and Arizona would be interesting, too.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 19, 2009, 04:27:39 PM
Florida(Rasmussen)

Approve 42%
Disapprove 57%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/florida/toplines_election_2010_florida_senate_august_17_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Nhoj on August 19, 2009, 04:33:02 PM
Colorado (PPP):

49% Approve
47% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 969 Colorado voters from August 14th to 16th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-3.2%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_CO_819.pdf
Pretty close to his national numbers and also a improvement over the previous ppp poll of CO or is that wrong?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 19, 2009, 04:40:39 PM
Florida(Rasmussen)

Approve 42%
Disapprove 57%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/florida/toplines_election_2010_florida_senate_august_17_2009

WTF? :(


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pogo stick on August 19, 2009, 04:41:23 PM
Florida(Rasmussen)

Approve 42%
Disapprove 57%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/florida/toplines_election_2010_florida_senate_august_17_2009

LOL


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on August 19, 2009, 04:43:55 PM
Florida(Rasmussen)

Approve 42%
Disapprove 57%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/florida/toplines_election_2010_florida_senate_august_17_2009

Based on that approval rating, Obama would lose Florida by about 60%-40% if the election was held today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajc0918 on August 19, 2009, 04:45:01 PM
Florida(Rasmussen)

Approve 42%
Disapprove 57%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/florida/toplines_election_2010_florida_senate_august_17_2009

Well considering he was under 50 approval before the healthcare debate it doesn't surprise me.
He basically lost most seniors with healthcare. Sucks for him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on August 19, 2009, 04:50:40 PM
We also have to remember that the Baby Boomers are turning 60, so there will be a huge over-60 vote at the next election, which as we know, usually at least leans Republican.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 19, 2009, 04:53:13 PM
We also must keep in mind that these are 2010 likely voters. This will always skew Republican. His approval will always be lower among 2010 likely voters.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on August 19, 2009, 05:14:08 PM
Florida(Rasmussen)

Approve 42%
Disapprove 57%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/florida/toplines_election_2010_florida_senate_august_17_2009

LOL.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on August 19, 2009, 06:31:33 PM
Florida(Rasmussen)

Approve 42%
Disapprove 57%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/florida/toplines_election_2010_florida_senate_august_17_2009

Based on that approval rating, Obama would lose Florida by about 60%-40% if the election was held today.

I think Florida probably wont go for Obama again in 2012.  Florida, North Carolina, and Virginia were all probably a one time deal for Obama. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on August 19, 2009, 07:49:44 PM
Florida(Rasmussen)

Approve 42%
Disapprove 57%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/florida/toplines_election_2010_florida_senate_august_17_2009

Well considering he was under 50 approval before the healthcare debate it doesn't surprise me.
He basically lost most seniors with healthcare. Sucks for him.

What's the matter with seniors like? Worried about something that isn't going to happen. Medicare was an LBJ (Democratic) achievement. Seniors wouldn't have had such programs that have improved their quality of life were it not for Democrats. No doubt there were Republicans in favor - but the party was a way more benevolent beast back then with many Northeastern and Midwestern pragmatic moderate types. Aye, the very people who are now, for the most part, Democrats. Even I'll concede that now there are some pretty good reasonably moderate Republican from those regions, relative to most of their Southern and Mountain West peers, at least. They are some moderates in Florida. The Diaz-Balart brothers and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, spring to mind

Should healthcare reform pass, perhaps it will all become too apparent that the Republicans have been peddling porkies. As far as Medicare goes, it's not the Democrats they should be worried about. Must really stick in the throats of rightwing dogmatoids that they have been unable to roll back Social Security (FDR) and Medicare (LBJ) - those bid bad evil government programs

Is it really in Obama's best political interests to inact policies that are going to have the opposite effect on their quality of healthcare? I think not


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on August 19, 2009, 07:51:44 PM
Florida(Rasmussen)

Approve 42%
Disapprove 57%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/florida/toplines_election_2010_florida_senate_august_17_2009

Based on that approval rating, Obama would lose Florida by about 60%-40% if the election was held today.

I think Florida probably wont go for Obama again in 2012.  Florida, North Carolina, and Virginia were all probably a one time deal for Obama. 
It depends on who is nominated and how much the economy recovers. If it is Huckabee vs. Obama, then prepare for a ridiculous blowout in Virginia and Florida.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ronnie on August 19, 2009, 07:55:26 PM
Florida(Rasmussen)

Approve 42%
Disapprove 57%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/florida/toplines_election_2010_florida_senate_august_17_2009

Based on that approval rating, Obama would lose Florida by about 60%-40% if the election was held today.

I think Florida probably wont go for Obama again in 2012.  Florida, North Carolina, and Virginia were all probably a one time deal for Obama. 
It depends on who is nominated and how much the economy recovers. If it is Huckabee vs. Obama, then prepare for a ridiculous blowout in Virginia and Florida.

If Obama's approval will be in the mid-low forties by 2012, there won't be a "ridiculous blowout" by any means.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RI on August 19, 2009, 07:58:03 PM
You all are idiots if you think current polls are in any way indicative of what the political climate will be like by November of 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 19, 2009, 08:13:31 PM
You all are idiots if you think current polls are in any way indicative of what the political climate will be like by November of 2012.

The current polls at most say what the political situation is on the day of the poll. There will be history made before November 2012 -- and there will be politics. Some people will make big blunders, and some will capitalize from them. Strong political skills and favorable events will give Obama a sure re-election in 2012. Big stumbles on his part -- stumbles that he can't rebound from in time -- will ensure his defeat. It's that simple.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on August 19, 2009, 08:44:11 PM
You all are idiots if you think current polls are in any way indicative of what the political climate will be like by November of 2012.

The current polls at most say what the political situation is on the day of the poll. There will be history made before November 2012 -- and there will be politics. Some people will make big blunders, and some will capitalize from them. Strong political skills and favorable events will give Obama a sure re-election in 2012. Big stumbles on his part -- stumbles that he can't rebound from in time -- will ensure his defeat. It's that simple.

Yes, he has to be astute enough not to make major stumbles

Florida(Rasmussen)

Approve 42%
Disapprove 57%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/florida/toplines_election_2010_florida_senate_august_17_2009

Based on that approval rating, Obama would lose Florida by about 60%-40% if the election was held today.

I think Florida probably wont go for Obama again in 2012.  Florida, North Carolina, and Virginia were all probably a one time deal for Obama. 
It depends on who is nominated and how much the economy recovers. If it is Huckabee vs. Obama, then prepare for a ridiculous blowout in Virginia and Florida.

The way I see it is if the economy has rebounded nicely, unemployment has fallen, there are no unpopular foreign wars, major scandals, or as Pbrower points out, major stumbles, I see little reason why the president shouldn't carry those states he did in 2008 - and a few more. Hopefully, that's the trajectory moving forward. He wins re-election and things stay on track

My advice would be to stear well clear of the hot-button wedge issue cultural stuff, only moving forward as attitudes change. I'd also advise that, as soon as feasibly possible, Democrats' rein in spending. Wouldn't it be a right smack in the mush if the Democrats could prove themselves, at the federal level,  something the Republicans never were, alone in government, fiscally responsible :). Republicans may have been in a bygone era (pre-FDR)

But can things improve, sufficiently, to avoid major GOP gains in the mid-terms? Obama and the Democrats need time and patience but will they get it? Can a president be cautiously bold? Was the stimulus a damp squib or is it yet to really kick in? Maybe if voters felt that was working, perhaps healthcare reform wouldn't be as much of a hurdle

If there is a strategy to Obama, I'd say it was an investment strategy (be it education, energy, healthcare), seemingly short on short-term fruits but with potentially big dividends over time but that's best left to the policy wonks around him to work out

Poor as the state of affairs he was bequeathed was, any one expecting quick instant fixes can think again


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 20, 2009, 12:17:30 AM
Alabama (Capital Survey Research Center):

50% Very/somewhat satisfied with Obama's job performance
46% Very/somewhat dissatisfied with Obama's job performance

The CSRC poll indicates 47 percent of likely voters statewide are opposed to President Obama's efforts to reform the nation's health care system while 43 percent support the proposed measure. The remaining 10 percent of those surveyed don't know where they stand.

Answers to the CSRC questions were divided along party and racial lines. Approximately 97 percent of black voters and 88 percent of Democrats support Obama's efforts to reform health care. Only 34 percent of white voters and 19 percent of Republicans support the proposal.

The poll of 887 registered voters, which was taken on Aug. 12, has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.2 percent.

http://www.thedailysentinel.com/story.lasso?ewcd=846fb6ea77aa49e8


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on August 20, 2009, 12:23:25 AM
You all are idiots if you think current polls are in any way indicative of what the political climate will be like by November of 2012.
You see, they are a little indicative of the political climate in November of 2012. I think approval polls have consistently shown Obama to be doing rather poorly in the West/Sunbelt. If that trend persists(which is fairly likely), then it will be indicative of the next presidential election.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 20, 2009, 01:10:34 AM
Florida(Rasmussen)

Approve 42%
Disapprove 57%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/florida/toplines_election_2010_florida_senate_august_17_2009

These numbers aren't even believable going by Rasmussen's own suspect national numbers. I'm sure he'll have a nice, saliva filled discussion with Hannity over them though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 20, 2009, 05:40:14 AM
Alabama (Capital Survey Research Center):

50% Very/somewhat satisfied with Obama's job performance
46% Very/somewhat dissatisfied with Obama's job performance

The CSRC poll indicates 47 percent of likely voters statewide are opposed to President Obama's efforts to reform the nation's health care system while 43 percent support the proposed measure. The remaining 10 percent of those surveyed don't know where they stand.

Answers to the CSRC questions were divided along party and racial lines. Approximately 97 percent of black voters and 88 percent of Democrats support Obama's efforts to reform health care. Only 34 percent of white voters and 19 percent of Republicans support the proposal.

The poll of 887 registered voters, which was taken on Aug. 12, has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.2 percent.

http://www.thedailysentinel.com/story.lasso?ewcd=846fb6ea77aa49e8

Probably a biased poll, as it is taken by a union (Alabama Educational Association). It's intriguing nonetheless. Alabama goes to Obama only in a 45-state landslide. The state was an early call for John McCain in 2008, Obama losing it by a 60-38 margin. Should Obama lose Alabama by 'only' about a 55-45 margin, then he surely picks up Georgia and South Carolina and makes Tennessee, Kentucky, and Mississippi very close. Such suggests roughly a 40-state landslide.

Such is the material of political dreams.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 20, 2009, 05:50:30 AM

A poll is a poll.

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Logically I would trade Alabama for Florida and North Carolina and maybe Georgia, but a union-commissioned poll in Alabama isn't strong enough to suggest some "great new reality". Maybe there haven't been enough Town Hall sessions in Alabama or other core Southern States to be disrupted to turn them into political theater for the Hard Right.

Mississippi, anyone? Polls for South Carolina and Tennessee are quite stale, too.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 20, 2009, 06:00:44 AM
A poll is a poll?

Not really. Junk is junk.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 20, 2009, 06:09:00 AM
Florida(Quinnipiac)

Approve 47%
Disapprove 48%

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1367


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 20, 2009, 06:23:05 AM
Florida adjusted with a non-junk poll.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on August 20, 2009, 07:34:22 AM
Florida adjusted with a non-junk poll.

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Rassy isn't a juck poll, but whatever.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 20, 2009, 08:08:07 AM
Florida adjusted with a non-junk poll.


Rassy isn't a junk poll, but whatever.

The reference was to the poll in Alabama commissioned by a teachers' union.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on August 20, 2009, 08:45:06 AM
Florida adjusted with a non-junk poll.


Rassy isn't a junk poll, but whatever.

The reference was to the poll in Alabama commissioned by a teachers' union.

Oh ok, the way you wrote it, it read as if you was talking about the Rassy poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Barack Hussian YO MAMA!!!! on August 20, 2009, 10:46:51 AM
I think it might be potentially a good thing for obama's presidency that his poll numbers have fallen back down to earth, it might keep  him from  getting a big head about his presidency hopefully it stop him from believing all the hype about him being the next FDR, JFK and Democratic Reagan all rolled into one and he can just get back worrying about effective manger of the country.

 a classic example of this would be when Clinton tanked in 1994, the Conservatives over reached and then Clinton came back stronger then ever in 1996.   
 
just something to ponder.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: WillK on August 20, 2009, 11:37:58 AM
I think it might be potentially a good thing for obama's presidency that his poll numbers have fallen back down to earth...


It should also be remembered that most President's approval ratings drop during the early part of their presidency.    Reagan's approval ratings dropped to something like 40%  as the economy tanked in his first two years.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on August 20, 2009, 11:47:26 AM
YAWN

The state of the economy in 2012 will determine whether or not Obama is re-elected, not the health care reform debate of 2009.
True, BUT Obama's approval ratings in 2009 will effect the outcome of the 2009 health care debate, which in turn will effect the 2010 Congressional elections.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on August 20, 2009, 12:10:28 PM
Gallup:

Approve - 51%
Disapprove - 42%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 20, 2009, 01:04:16 PM
ARG seems to have copied PPP's numbers:

Adults:

52% Approve
42% Disapprove

Registered Voters:

52% Approve
42% Disapprove

Among Republicans (26% of adults registered to vote in the survey and 23% of all adults in the survey), 6% approve of the way Obama is handling his job and 94% disapprove. Among Democrats (44% of adults registered to vote in the survey and 40% of all adults in the survey), 86% approve and 8% disapprove of the way Obama is handling his job. Among independents (30% of adults registered to vote in the survey and 27% of all adults in the survey), 41% approve and 48% disapprove of the way Obama is handling his job as president.

The results presented here are based on 1,100 completed telephone interviews conducted among a nationwide random sample of adults 18 years and older. The interviews were completed August 16 through 19, 2009. The theoretical margin of error for the total sample is plus or minus 2.6 percentage points, 95% of the time, on questions where opinion is evenly split.

http://americanresearchgroup.com/economy


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on August 20, 2009, 02:07:30 PM
I think it might be potentially a good thing for obama's presidency that his poll numbers have fallen back down to earth...


It should also be remembered that most President's approval ratings drop during the early part of their presidency.    Reagan's approval ratings dropped to something like 40%  as the economy tanked in his first two years.


As of January 1993, Reagan was at 35% approval in Gallup. Of course, the economy rebounded and unemployment sharply fell between then and November 1984. The supply side tax cuts of 1981 were projected, by computer simulation, to see the economy grow by 5% in 1982, but it contracted by 2.2%. Keynesian economists, no doubt, would credit deficit spending with the recovery


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 20, 2009, 03:24:49 PM
I think it's safe to say that Obama's approval rating is between 50-52%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on August 20, 2009, 10:06:18 PM
Based off the current polls, this is my prediction for 2012.
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DEM: 276
REP: 251

Look for Obama's approval rating to lower more then steady.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on August 20, 2009, 10:19:45 PM
Florida(Rasmussen)

Approve 42%
Disapprove 57%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/florida/toplines_election_2010_florida_senate_august_17_2009

These numbers aren't even believable going by Rasmussen's own suspect national numbers. I'm sure he'll have a nice, saliva filled discussion with Hannity over them though.

Even if you account for Rasmussen's deviation from the average, disapproves still outnumber approves (I think).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajc0918 on August 20, 2009, 11:48:59 PM
Florida(Rasmussen)

Approve 42%
Disapprove 57%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/florida/toplines_election_2010_florida_senate_august_17_2009

These numbers aren't even believable going by Rasmussen's own suspect national numbers. I'm sure he'll have a nice, saliva filled discussion with Hannity over them though.

Even if you account for Rasmussen's deviation from the average, disapproves still outnumber approves (I think).

Don't even bother arguing. If a poll isn't to a liberals liking, it's skewed...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 21, 2009, 01:07:18 PM
Georgia (Rasmussen):

45% Approve
54% Disapprove

This state telephone survey of 1,200 Likely Voters was conducted by Rasmussen Reports August 18, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/georgia/toplines_georgia_healthcare_august_18_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 21, 2009, 01:27:00 PM
Zogby (INTERNET POLL):

45% Approve
51% Disapprove

43% Excellent/Good
56% Fair/Poor

While this latest poll shows Democrats continue to overwhelmingly approve of Obama's job performance (84%), just 6% of Republicans say the same. Most independents (59%) now disapprove of the job the President is doing.

The Zogby Interactive survey of 2,530 likely voters nationwide was conducted Aug. 18-20, 2009, and carries a margin of error of +/- 2.0 percentage points.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1734


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 21, 2009, 01:31:05 PM
Zogby (INTERNET POLL):

45% Approve
51% Disapprove

43% Excellent/Good
56% Fair/Poor

While this latest poll shows Democrats continue to overwhelmingly approve of Obama's job performance (84%), just 6% of Republicans say the same. Most independents (59%) now disapprove of the job the President is doing.

The Zogby Interactive survey of 2,530 likely voters nationwide was conducted Aug. 18-20, 2009, and carries a margin of error of +/- 2.0 percentage points.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1734

A reminder: interactive polls of any kind are unreliable.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 21, 2009, 01:50:46 PM
A reminder: interactive polls of any kind are unreliable.

Except if it is called "Harris" ... ;)

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=970


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on August 21, 2009, 02:14:21 PM
Georgia (Rasmussen):

45% Approve
54% Disapprove

This state telephone survey of 1,200 Likely Voters was conducted by Rasmussen Reports August 18, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/georgia/toplines_georgia_healthcare_august_18_2009
Yeah for some reason I doubt that Obama has higher approval ratings in Georgia than Florida...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 21, 2009, 02:14:52 PM
Twitters about the PPP Arkansas poll, currently in the field:

"Ark. poll is looking brutal for Democrats, but Mike Beebe still looks to have the highest approval of anyone we've polled on nationally this year.

Arkansas is definitely the birtherest state to date...it's been fun but I think we'll stop asking about it after this poll

Public Policy Polling (D) is currently in the field in the state that gave us Bill Clinton, and their survey includes this question: "Between Rush Limbaugh and Barack Obama, who do you think has the better vision for America?"

So far, PPP communications director Tom Jensen tells me, Limbaugh is winning by about ten points. The numbers could potentially narrow between now and when the survey is finished over the weekend, but Jensen is sure that Limbaugh will end up winning."

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/early-poll-data-arkansas-likes-limbaugh-more-than-obama.php

http://twitter.com/ppppolls


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 21, 2009, 02:17:46 PM
Twitters about the PPP Arkansas poll, currently in the field:

"Ark. poll is looking brutal for Democrats, but Mike Beebe still looks to have the highest approval of anyone we've polled on nationally this year.

Arkansas is definitely the birtherest state to date...it's been fun but I think we'll stop asking about it after this poll

Public Policy Polling (D) is currently in the field in the state that gave us Bill Clinton, and their survey includes this question: "Between Rush Limbaugh and Barack Obama, who do you think has the better vision for America?"

So far, PPP communications director Tom Jensen tells me, Limbaugh is winning by about ten points. The numbers could potentially narrow between now and when the survey is finished over the weekend, but Jensen is sure that Limbaugh will end up winning."


http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/early-poll-data-arkansas-likes-limbaugh-more-than-obama.php

http://twitter.com/ppppolls

BAHAHAHAHA! That's hilarious!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 21, 2009, 03:00:37 PM
I think it might be potentially a good thing for obama's presidency that his poll numbers have fallen back down to earth, it might keep  him from  getting a big head about his presidency hopefully it stop him from believing all the hype about him being the next FDR, JFK and Democratic Reagan all rolled into one and he can just get back worrying about effective manger of the country.

 a classic example of this would be when Clinton tanked in 1994, the Conservatives over reached and then Clinton came back stronger then ever in 1996.   
 
just something to ponder.


Right. President Obama  has discovered to his surprise that the GOP/Hard Right neither rolls over and plays dead nor plays by Queensbury rules. His election and later events have not convinced those who voted against him that he is a suitable President.  Special interests consider any change in the so-called American way of delivering and paying for health care a threat unless such guarantees higher profits. Just because he likes a civil debate and rational discussion of the issues that allows a workable compromise does not mean that the Other Side wants such. The Other Side might want instead to turn up the invective as its best chance to undo the "damage" of the 2008 election.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on August 21, 2009, 03:52:41 PM
Twitters about the PPP Arkansas poll, currently in the field:

"Ark. poll is looking brutal for Democrats, but Mike Beebe still looks to have the highest approval of anyone we've polled on nationally this year.

Arkansas is definitely the birtherest state to date...it's been fun but I think we'll stop asking about it after this poll

Public Policy Polling (D) is currently in the field in the state that gave us Bill Clinton, and their survey includes this question: "Between Rush Limbaugh and Barack Obama, who do you think has the better vision for America?"

So far, PPP communications director Tom Jensen tells me, Limbaugh is winning by about ten points. The numbers could potentially narrow between now and when the survey is finished over the weekend, but Jensen is sure that Limbaugh will end up winning."


http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/early-poll-data-arkansas-likes-limbaugh-more-than-obama.php

http://twitter.com/ppppolls

BAHAHAHAHA! That's hilarious!

The sad thing is, a pollster asked that question in Oklahoma a couple of months ago, and they actually favored Limbaugh. Seriously.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 21, 2009, 04:04:18 PM
Twitters about the PPP Arkansas poll, currently in the field:

"Ark. poll is looking brutal for Democrats, but Mike Beebe still looks to have the highest approval of anyone we've polled on nationally this year.

Arkansas is definitely the birtherest state to date...it's been fun but I think we'll stop asking about it after this poll

Public Policy Polling (D) is currently in the field in the state that gave us Bill Clinton, and their survey includes this question: "Between Rush Limbaugh and Barack Obama, who do you think has the better vision for America?"

So far, PPP communications director Tom Jensen tells me, Limbaugh is winning by about ten points. The numbers could potentially narrow between now and when the survey is finished over the weekend, but Jensen is sure that Limbaugh will end up winning."


http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/early-poll-data-arkansas-likes-limbaugh-more-than-obama.php

http://twitter.com/ppppolls

BAHAHAHAHA! That's hilarious!

The sad thing is, a pollster asked that question in Oklahoma a couple of months ago, and they actually favored Limbaugh. Seriously.

Oklahoma -- the first Fascist state on American soil.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on August 21, 2009, 04:11:53 PM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

RCP:

52.2% Approve
41.4% Disapprove

Everyone should follow this poll, it blends together all polls, making it better.



 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on August 21, 2009, 04:13:07 PM
Here is the link to the Oklahoma poll:



A majority of Oklahoma voters disapprove of the job Barack Obama is doing as President, not a great surprise in the state he fared poorest in at the ballot box last year.

Just 38% of voters approve of his performance so far, with 56% disapproving.

Even among Democrats 31% disapprove of Obama's work, a rate far higher than PPP has found in any other state. And while he's doing pretty well with independents nationally, 58% disapprove of him in the Sooner State.

To get a gauge of just how conservative Oklahoma is we also took a look at public opinion about Rush Limbaugh in the state, and asked respondents whether they think Limbaugh or Obama has a better vision for America.

Even in this reddest of states, more voters have a negative opinion of Limbaugh than a positive one, by a margin of 45-39. But when it comes to whether they think the country should head more in the direction the President envisions or the one the talk show host would like to see Limbaugh wins out 56-44. 81% of Republicans, 58% of independents, and even 29% of Democrats picked him.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/05/obama-not-doing-too-well-in-oklahoma.html

And that was in May, when Obama's approval ratings were higher nationally.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 21, 2009, 04:23:43 PM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

RCP:

52.2% Approve
41.4% Disapprove

Everyone should follow this poll, it blends together all polls, making it better.



 

I agree. The Pollster (http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama.php) average is also pretty good.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 21, 2009, 05:23:38 PM
Montana(Research 2000)

Favorable 44%
Unfavorable 52%

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/8/19/MT/347

I'd think that his approval would be slightly under his favorables, so around 40% or so. No way in hell he carries MT in 2012 like pbrower has been preaching for the past 6 months.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 21, 2009, 05:34:46 PM
Montana(Research 2000)

Favorable 44%
Unfavorable 52%

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/8/19/MT/347

I'd think that his approval would be slightly under his favorables, so around 40% or so. No way in hell he carries MT in 2012 like pbrower has been preaching for the past 6 months.

It's nearly impossible to say since we're 39 months away from the election.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 21, 2009, 05:38:17 PM
Montana(Research 2000)

Favorable 44%
Unfavorable 52%

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/8/19/MT/347

I'd think that his approval would be slightly under his favorables, so around 40% or so. No way in hell he carries MT in 2012 like pbrower has been preaching for the past 6 months.

It's nearly impossible to say since we're 39 months away from the election.

Tell him that, not me. He has said Obama will definitely win MT because of the "age wave".


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on August 21, 2009, 05:41:05 PM
Montana(Research 2000)

Favorable 44%
Unfavorable 52%

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/8/19/MT/347

I'd think that his approval would be slightly under his favorables, so around 40% or so. No way in hell he carries MT in 2012 like pbrower has been preaching for the past 6 months.
Not surprising.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on August 21, 2009, 05:47:31 PM
Georgia (Rasmussen):

45% Approve
54% Disapprove

This state telephone survey of 1,200 Likely Voters was conducted by Rasmussen Reports August 18, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/georgia/toplines_georgia_healthcare_august_18_2009
Yeah for some reason I doubt that Obama has higher approval ratings in Georgia than Florida...

Well, the only explanation I can think of is that Florida has been harder by the housing crisis and the recession (due to drops in tourism) than Georgia.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 21, 2009, 06:17:55 PM
Montana(Research 2000)

Favorable 44%
Unfavorable 52%

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/8/19/MT/347

I'd think that his approval would be slightly under his favorables, so around 40% or so. No way in hell he carries MT in 2012 like pbrower has been preaching for the past 6 months.

Map updated (Montana finally polled):

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It's not hugely off from 2008, and I welcome the poll as it addresses an "interesting" state for predictions of 2012. Maryland, Vermont, Nebraska, and Alaska aren't "interesting".

I am not convinced that Montana is unwinnable for Obama; it depends upon who his opponent is.

This is very different from the situation in Pennsylvania or Texas.  My argument for Montana being a likely pickup for Obama is that it was close enough in 2008  for the age wave to flip the state in 2012. I have yet to be convinced of any spuriousness of an age wave in American politics. The age wave will at most flip two states -- Missouri and Montana.  The Age Wave cannot operate in reverse anywhere in America. Should Obama not do so well in 2012 as in 2008, then such will reflect that either young adults have become less liberal in their leaning than they were in 2008 or that the GOP nominee has overpowered the Age Wave by attracting older voters away from Obama.

It is possible for the GOP to undo or counteract some of the effects of the Age Wave in which younger voters enter the electorate and older, more conservative ones exit. Biological reality of aging is beyond refutation. To get their nominee elected the GOP must overpower the Age Wave somehow. How? Your guess is as good as mine. Voting practices by age are generally well known.

The electorate in all states will be different in 2012 from what it was in 2008. It will not vote exactly the same, or differ only by such a feature as the "Age Wave". There will be a Favorite Son effect in at least one state in favor of the Republican, and there will be hot economic issues. Add to that, Obama will have shown whether he is an effective and desirable President who possesses a vision of a new America that enough people share or he will be a failure. Spectacular success or failure will overpower any Age Wave.

My model of an effective Obama Presidency is that he wins everything that he won in 2008 and adds Missouri and Montana due to the Age Wave and Arizona due to the disappearance of John McCain as a Favorite Son. A more effective Presidency suggests that he will win more states -- let us say Georgia, and a less-effective one that he loses such a state as North Carolina or Indiana. 


 








Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on August 21, 2009, 06:43:18 PM
Montana(Research 2000)

Favorable 44%
Unfavorable 52%

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/8/19/MT/347

I'd think that his approval would be slightly under his favorables, so around 40% or so. No way in hell he carries MT in 2012 like pbrower has been preaching for the past 6 months.

I think if your correct and his approval is 40% in Montana, then I'd say he's around 50\50 in Colorado.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 21, 2009, 08:15:16 PM
This is a copy of a post that I put in another thread. It shows the only trend that I consider realistic. It's the Age Wave, and if you have familiarity with the political values of people who will be voting for the first time in 2012, including the political culture  that they know best and have responded to as one can reasonably expect.

Here's one trend to watch:

The youngest voters from 2004-2008

State       2004 Margin      2008 Margin            Swing

The Mid-Atlantic

PA            60-39 Kerry       66-34 Obama          D + 6
DE           54-45 Kerry        71-25 Obama         D + 17
NY           72-25 Kerry         76-21 Obama        D + 4
NJ            64-35 Kerry        67-32 Obama         D + 3
MD           62-35 Kerry       70-26 Obama          D + 8
DC           90-8 Kerry       95-5 Obama              D + 5

New England

CT            70-29 Kerry       79-18 Obama      D + 9
ME            50-48 Bush       67-30 Obama      D + 19
NH            57-43 Kerry       61-37 Obama      D + 4
VT            71-27 Kerry       81-18 Obama      D + 10
MA           72-26 Kerry       78-20 Obama      D + 6
RI             68-30 Kerry       68-25 Obama      D + 0

The Midwest

OH           56-42 Kerry       61-38 Obama              D + 5
IN            52-47 Bush        63-35 Obama              D + 16
MO           51-48 Kerry        59-39 Obama             D + 8
IA              53-46 Kerry        63-34 Obama            D + 10
MI             55-43 Kerry         68-29 Obama            D + 13
MN           57-41 Kerry         66-32 Obama            D + 9
WI            57-41 Kerry         64-35 Obama            D + 7
IL             64-35 Kerry        71-27 Obama    D + 7

The Coastal South

VA             54-46 Kerry       63-34 Obama              D + 9
NC             56-43 Kerry       74-26 Obama              D + 18
SC             51-48 Bush        57-42 Obama             D + 9
GA             52-47 Bush        51-48 McCain             D + 1
FL              58-41 Kerry        61-37 Obama             D + 3

The Deep and Inland South

AL            57-41 Bush         51-49 Obama           D + 10
MS           63-37 Kerry         56-43 Obama           R + 6
TN            53-46 Bush         59-40 Obama           D + 13
KY           54-45 Bush          51-48 Obama           D + 6
WV          52-48 Bush         50-50 Tie      D + 2
AR           51-47 Bush         49-49 Tie      D + 2
LA            53-45 Bush         49-48 McCain   D + 4 (but won 18-24 by 53-45)
TX            59-41 Bush         54-45 Obama   D + 13

The Plains States

KS           55-44 Bush          51-47 Obama   D + 7
ND           68-32 Bush         51-47 Obama   D + 19
SD           55-43 Bush         50-48 Obama   D + 7
NE           60-38 Bush         54-43 Obama   D + 16
OK           62-38 Bush         60-40 McCain   D + 2

The Rockies and the Southwest

AZ            50-48 Bush        52-48 Obama            D + 4
NV            56-42 Kerry        70-29 Obama           D + 14
NM           50-49 Bush         77-21 Obama           D + 27
CO           51-47 Kerry         No result                  N/A
UT            77-18 Bush         62-33 McCain           D + 15
WY          72-25 Bush         63-35 McCain            D + 10
MT            52-43 Bush        61-37 Obama            D + 18
ID            65-35 Bush        56-42 McCain              D + 7

The West

CA           58-39 Kerry         76-23 Obama            D + 18 (80% of 18-24 for Obama)
OR           62-37 Kerry          No result                 N/A
WA          50-47 Kerry          No result                 N/A
AK            59-37 Bush         61-37 Bush               R + 2
HI             61-39 Kerry         82-18 Obama            D + 21



Figure that this bloc of voters will get larger in 2012 (it will be under 35 instead of under 30) and that it will be no less liberal-leaning by then. I notice that the youngest voters vote much more Democratic than older voters in practically every state.

The significance? Younger voters will supplant older voters in the electorate as older ones die or go senile and no longer vote. If you figure that the voters in a state like Virginia (which voted about 53-46 for Obama) had young voters going 63-34 for Obama.  So the youngest 16 years of voters in Virginia voted 63-34 for Obama, then the rest of the electorate voted  about 50-50 for Obama.

The math:

(1/4)x(63%) + (3/4) N = 53%

N =49.7%.

Next time with nothing more than the appearance of new young voters and the disappearance of older voters to death or senility, (round up 49.7% to 50%)

(20/64) x 63% + (44/64) x 50% = 54.1%

With no other change than new voters supplanting older voters, such suggests that Obama will win Virginia about 54-44-2.   That's roughly a 1.5% change in favor of Obama without doing much.

With someone else's guess on how Congressional seats will be re-apportioned and that the Favorite Son effect will disappear from Arizona (unless Senator John Kyl runs, which I think unlikely). This assumes that Obama will face an opponent as strong as John McCain was in 2008 (which itself is a huge assumption) :



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 Overpowering Obama win (20%+)
Strong Obama win (10-20%)
Modest Obama win (5-10%)
Weak Obama win (under 5%)
Weak GOP win (under 5%)
Modest GOP win (5-10%)
Strong GOP win (10%-20%)
Overpowering GOP win (20%+)
Nebraska: splits its electoral votes



(Nebraska splits its electoral votes, and the map fails to show it):

NE-01 is "Modest GOP"
NE-02 is "Weak Obama"
NE-03 is "Overwhelming GOP"
the state at large is "Strong GOP"


Obama wins of 2008 are solidified everywhere, and many viewers will be turning channels as the suspense fails to develop. 

Young voters in Georgia are not particularly liberal -- probably many of them are military, and the military tends to attract conservative-leaning young adults. Georgia, close as it was for Obama in 2008, will not go for him.  Older voters in the Dakotas aren't as conservative as those in Kansas, but younger voters in the Dakotas are too close to 50-50 to swing either state. Maybe farm-and-ranch life is good for ensuring that kids really are chips off the old block, so to speak, even in politics. 


 

This is before other things happen -- like shifts in regional loyalties, unusually poor or good performance by the President, diplomatic successes and failures, change in the political culture for unpredictable reasons,  partisan bickering, severe gaps or their consistent absence, the presence or absence of a strong GOP candidate (does anyone really know Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee well as a politician?), and of course economic realities. We don't know how those will break.

Some things will be much the same in 2012 as in 2008: George W. Bush, the last Republican President that anyone will know in 2012, will be no less or more beloved (ahem!) than he was in 2008. The campaign apparatus that Barack Obama established in 2008 will be up and running in 2012 and it will be as effective as it was in 2008.  Favorite son effects are real, but they can be reversed as well as established -- which explains how I have Arizona as a likely Obama pickup.

This model suggests that Obama will solidify the Blue Firewall with such states as Virginia, Iowa, and New Hampshire as double-digit victories. Colorado, perhaps -- except that I lack the data, so I can't suggest that Obama will win the state by any more than he did in 2008.

It's a predictive model based on such little information as is available now. Polls will go up and down. Those for Harry Truman went up with every military advance by our side in the Korean War and went down with ever retreat by our side. How some legislation goes in 2009 may have lesser effects upon day-to-day polling.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on August 22, 2009, 03:10:27 PM
The problem is that you aren't basing it any any of the actual data coming out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 22, 2009, 03:16:35 PM
So you said that Obama won the 18-29 vote in MT by a 61-37. Then why is his favorables with them only 51-47? Not much of an "age wave" if you ask me.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on August 22, 2009, 04:07:05 PM
Update my prediction map...changed it around a bit.  Made Minnesota, Wisconsin, Oregon and Missouri lean Obama. Nevada, Colorado, Florida, Virginia, and Ohio lean REP for now.  This all depends on who is running for the REPs and how Obama is doing later on.

Folks, 2012 will be close election to watch.  Don't expect it to be anything like 2008, thank god!

DEM: 276
REP: 262
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on August 22, 2009, 04:24:17 PM
My current prediction:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on August 22, 2009, 04:54:21 PM
It's impossible to predict 2012 right now. If the economy has turned around and we do not experience a double dip recession, Obama will win reelection easily.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 23, 2009, 12:52:48 AM
Wow, so many people on both sides speaking with certainty about an election that won't occur until late 2012. lol.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on August 23, 2009, 12:55:49 AM
Wow, so many people on both sides speaking with certainty about an election that won't occur until late 2012. lol.

It's pretty funny, but I must remind people that they are only contributing to their own as well as all of our future annoyance come 2012 when BRTD feels the need to bump EVERY SINGLE thread with a prediction in it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on August 23, 2009, 01:04:00 AM
Well, its exciting! This is the do or die moment for Obama, and the future of his term rests in his monumental decisions. it's no wonder so many are predicting.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 23, 2009, 01:07:29 AM
Well, its exciting! This is the do or die moment for Obama, and the future of his term rests in his monumental decisions. it's no wonder so many are predicting.

Is it? How do we know that? Speculation can be fun but people should probably stop speaking in absolute terms.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on August 23, 2009, 01:10:58 AM
Well, its exciting! This is the do or die moment for Obama, and the future of his term rests in his monumental decisions. it's no wonder so many are predicting.

NOTHING else could possibly happen in the next three years to change the momentum of Obama's term?  Someone doesn't remember our last President very well, which is ironic considering his apparent assertion that Americans' political memories go back quite a bit farther than they actually do.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 23, 2009, 03:02:25 AM
Nevada (Mason Dixon):

44% Favorable
43% Unfavorable
13% Neutral

This poll was conducted by Mason-Dixon Polling & Research, Inc. of Washington, D.C. from August 17 through August 18, 2009. A total of 400 registered Nevada voters were interviewed statewide by telephone. All stated they vote regularly in state elections.

http://www.lvrj.com/hottopics/politics/polls/august_2009_4_polls.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 23, 2009, 10:04:15 AM
Nevada again:

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Nevada caught everyone by surprise in Election 2008. The state seems to have been drifting D because of its urbanization and the appearance of a large number of Hispanic voters.  The economic meltdown of 2008 hit Nevada hard and may have been the difference between a bare Obama victory and a huge one -- of course at the worst possible time for a Republican in Nevada since at least 1964.  The 2008 results suggested that Nevada had become a firm part of the Blue Firewall even if it wasn't quite so.

The change from a previous poll to this one is itself subtle even if the color change isn't.  Nevada is probably "Shaky Democrat", and the time for deciding whether Nevada is other than a swing state will be November 2010, when a Governorship (Republican incumbent) and perhaps a Senate seat (if John Ensign has had to vacate it after a sex scandal and possible obstruction of justice) will be up for grabs. 

Ensign won Nevada firmly in 2006 -- but I don't think that he could have won re-election in 2008 even before the sex scandal broke. After the sex scandal... it apparently didn't fall under the "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" rule.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on August 23, 2009, 12:14:47 PM
Gallup:

Approve - 54%
Disapprove - 38%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on August 23, 2009, 12:28:34 PM
Didn't see this posted here, so

PPP
Colorado: 49% approve, 47% disapprove

"His reviews are highly polarized along partisan lines with 88% of Democrats but only 13% of Republicans saying he's doing a good job. Independents split almost evenly with 48% giving him good marks and 46% disapproving.

Both of our Colorado polls since he took office have found Obama's approval lagging the 54% of the vote he received in the state last year and a Gallup study last week had his popularity there ranking 43rd out of 50 states, behind many places where he did much worse at the ballot box last year.

That begs the question: what's Obama's problem in Colorado?

Comparing our final pre-election poll in the state, which correctly showed him winning with 54% of the vote, to his approval numbers a few things stand out:

-Obama's numbers with Democrats and Republicans now are virtually identical to the share of the vote he got, but he's slipped among independents. He won about 60% of the independent vote but now has just a 48% approval rating with them.

-While Obama is pretty much steady with high approval among Hispanic and black voters, only 44% of whites approve of the job he's doing where 50% of them voted for him.

-His approval rating among young voters (good) and old voters (bad) is similar to what he got in November but he's dropped from winning about 56% of the vote from middle aged voters to a 49% approval rating with them.

One issue that's not helping Obama too much in the state is health care, as 51% of respondents say they're opposed to the President's plans with just 38% in support.

The 'birther' movement is relatively strong in Colorado. Just 58% of voters in the state will say for sure that they think Obama was born in the United States while 24% believe that he was not and 18% are unsure. This line of thinking is particularly prevalent among Republicans, 43% of whom think the President was not born in the country compared to just 33% who think he was.

One thing Colorado voters can be proud of though is their awareness that Hawaii is part of the United States. A PPP national poll released earlier today found that only 90% of Americans overall think that it is, but 97% of folks in Colorado do."

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/08/obama-steady-in-colorado.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on August 23, 2009, 12:39:09 PM
So you said that Obama won the 18-29 vote in MT by a 61-37. Then why is his favorables with them only 51-47? Not much of an "age wave" if you ask me.

When reality set in, Obama isn't as cool and perfect as he was in the campaign. That said, he still has an advantage among them ATM.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 23, 2009, 02:45:16 PM
So you said that Obama won the 18-29 vote in MT by a 61-37. Then why is his favorables with them only 51-47? Not much of an "age wave" if you ask me.

He's not actively campaigning right now. The efficient and effective election machine that he had in operation in 2008 is in mothballs. Don't worry; it will be up and running, perhaps even before the Republicans start their knock-down, drag-out in New Hampshire. There are no political campaign ads. In a knock-down, drag-out primary struggle the opposing sides usually supply grist for the campaign apparatus of the incumbent.

I predict that Obama will have no meaningful primary challenge. It will be likely light-weight Dennis Kucinich and some heavy-handed acolyte of Lyndon LaRouche. Who runs will determine what sort of advertising and campaign messages will be out, as well as the locations of the ads. The autumn of 2008 will be shown as a bad time for America except for one thing. No, it's not the Philadelphia Phillies winning the World Series, which wasn't so delightful in Florida.

Without a meaningful primary challenge and with sharp competition within the other party's primaries, Obama will have a head start in winning re-election against a challenger. Is that unfair? No. That's just how American politics operates, and it shows how a mediocre-to-good incumbent President is all-but-invincible in a campaign for re-election. You can count on the Obama campaign exploiting any weakness of the opponent, just as in 2008, and pulling back only when going further will seem like overkill. Barack Obama will have control of official travels, and they will tend to go to swing states (possible exception: natural disasters).






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on August 23, 2009, 03:45:15 PM
There is no opponent campaigning, either.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 23, 2009, 03:58:21 PM
There is no opponent campaigning, either.

Shhh, be quiet, or else you will wake pbrower up from his wet dream.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dan the Roman on August 23, 2009, 08:07:01 PM
The thing about 18-29 year olds, and other groups as well, is that their is no opponent to compare Obama too. When there is a Republican nominee, social issues will drive younger voters to cast ballots for the Democrats as they did for Kerry.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 23, 2009, 11:43:59 PM
Didn't see this posted here, so

PPP
Colorado: 49% approve, 47% disapprove

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: nhmagic on August 24, 2009, 12:13:27 AM
So you said that Obama won the 18-29 vote in MT by a 61-37. Then why is his favorables with them only 51-47? Not much of an "age wave" if you ask me.

He's not actively campaigning right now. The efficient and effective election machine that he had in operation in 2008 is in mothballs. Don't worry; it will be up and running, perhaps even before the Republicans start their knock-down, drag-out in New Hampshire. There are no political campaign ads. In a knock-down, drag-out primary struggle the opposing sides usually supply grist for the campaign apparatus of the incumbent.

I predict that Obama will have no meaningful primary challenge. It will be likely light-weight Dennis Kucinich and some heavy-handed acolyte of Lyndon LaRouche. Who runs will determine what sort of advertising and campaign messages will be out, as well as the locations of the ads. The autumn of 2008 will be shown as a bad time for America except for one thing. No, it's not the Philadelphia Phillies winning the World Series, which wasn't so delightful in Florida.

Without a meaningful primary challenge and with sharp competition within the other party's primaries, Obama will have a head start in winning re-election against a challenger. Is that unfair? No. That's just how American politics operates, and it shows how a mediocre-to-good incumbent President is all-but-invincible in a campaign for re-election. You can count on the Obama campaign exploiting any weakness of the opponent, just as in 2008, and pulling back only when going further will seem like overkill. Barack Obama will have control of official travels, and they will tend to go to swing states (possible exception: natural disasters).
I think Hillary could be a surprise nominee - if she smells blood, also if this healthcare thing doesn't go, dont think she won't be sniffing up the progressive members to see if they will lend her a hand.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 24, 2009, 06:25:36 AM
So you said that Obama won the 18-29 vote in MT by a 61-37. Then why is his favorables with them only 51-47? Not much of an "age wave" if you ask me.

He's not actively campaigning right now. The efficient and effective election machine that he had in operation in 2008 is in mothballs. Don't worry; it will be up and running, perhaps even before the Republicans start their knock-down, drag-out in New Hampshire. There are no political campaign ads. In a knock-down, drag-out primary struggle the opposing sides usually supply grist for the campaign apparatus of the incumbent.

I predict that Obama will have no meaningful primary challenge. It will be likely light-weight Dennis Kucinich and some heavy-handed acolyte of Lyndon LaRouche. Who runs will determine what sort of advertising and campaign messages will be out, as well as the locations of the ads. The autumn of 2008 will be shown as a bad time for America except for one thing. No, it's not the Philadelphia Phillies winning the World Series, which wasn't so delightful in Florida.

Without a meaningful primary challenge and with sharp competition within the other party's primaries, Obama will have a head start in winning re-election against a challenger. Is that unfair? No. That's just how American politics operates, and it shows how a mediocre-to-good incumbent President is all-but-invincible in a campaign for re-election. You can count on the Obama campaign exploiting any weakness of the opponent, just as in 2008, and pulling back only when going further will seem like overkill. Barack Obama will have control of official travels, and they will tend to go to swing states (possible exception: natural disasters).
I think Hillary could be a surprise nominee - if she smells blood, also if this healthcare thing doesn't go, dont think she won't be sniffing up the progressive members to see if they will lend her a hand.

Primary challenges to an incumbent President happen with a weakened incumbent. So it was with Ted Kennedy against Jimmy Carter in 1980 and Ronald Reagan against  Gerald Ford in 1976. Such challenges bode ill for the incumbent's party in the general election because they offer grist for an organized and unified opponent. Ford was defeated in 1976; Carter was defeated in 1980.

Then there was 1968, when the incumbent with a strong record on everything except for a war gone awry faced challenges from a peace faction and the racist campaign of George Wallace. The incumbent President chose not to run for re-election, and Richard Nixon crushed the VP.

Do I think intra-party challenges wrong? Hardly. It's too bad that there wasn't one in 2004 against what some consider the worst President in American history. McCain? Lugar? Voinovich?  Specter? Collins? Even someone from the Hard Right -- Coburn, Santorum,  or DeMint -- could have chosen to challenge the "good" with the "perfect" (abortion ban, crackdown on homosexuality, acceleration of the drug war, attempt to "Christianize" American politics, and a dismantling of the welfare state in favor of a fascist economy).

Obama knows well enough to put potential rivals in responsible positions in which they can achieve everything other than establishing a political base. That's the "Team of Rivals" approach. After eight years, the maximum time for his Presidency, what happens is no longer his concern; his personal role in governing America will be over.

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on August 24, 2009, 08:08:30 AM
The thing about 18-29 year olds, and other groups as well, is that their is no opponent to compare Obama too. When there is a Republican nominee, social issues will drive younger voters to cast ballots for the Democrats as they did for Kerry.

I think they would support Gingrich or Gary Johnson.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 24, 2009, 09:14:20 AM
The thing about 18-29 year olds, and other groups as well, is that their is no opponent to compare Obama too. When there is a Republican nominee, social issues will drive younger voters to cast ballots for the Democrats as they did for Kerry.

I think they would support Gingrich or Gary Johnson.

Gingrich really is a Hard Right social "conservative" who would turn off American young adults -- just like Palin in that respect.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on August 24, 2009, 12:21:37 PM
Gallup:

Approve - 52%
Disapprove - 40%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 24, 2009, 01:15:03 PM
Massachusetts (Rasmussen):

59% Approve
41% Disapprove

This state telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in the state of Massachusettes was conducted by Rasmussen Reports on August 20, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/massachusetts/toplines_election_2010_massachusettes_governor_august_10_2009

Michigan (Rasmussen):

52% Approve
48% Disapprove

This state telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Michigan was conducted by Rasmussen Reports August 19, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/michigan/toplines/toplines_michigan_august_19_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 24, 2009, 01:28:58 PM
"Likely voters, again, MA and MI"


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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 24, 2009, 01:58:08 PM
New York (Siena Research Institute):

70% Favorable
23% Unfavorable

This SRI survey was conducted August 17-20, 2009 by telephone calls to 621 New York State registered voters. It has a margin of error of 3.9 percentage points. Data was statistically adjusted by age, party and geography to ensure representativeness. Sampling was conducted via random digit dialing weighted to reflect known population patterns.

http://sienaresearchinstitute.pbworks.com/f/09+August+SNY+Poll+Release+--+FINAL.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on August 24, 2009, 06:38:19 PM
The thing about 18-29 year olds, and other groups as well, is that their is no opponent to compare Obama too. When there is a Republican nominee, social issues will drive younger voters to cast ballots for the Democrats as they did for Kerry.

I think they would support Gingrich or Gary Johnson.
No. Gingrich wasn't popular among the youth even when he was relativley young himself.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 24, 2009, 06:44:09 PM
Just for the record, favorables among 18-29 year olds from PPP's latest poll:

Huckabee 45/19
Romney 32/34
Gingrich 30/32
Palin 30/53


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on August 24, 2009, 06:45:56 PM
Just for the record, favorables among 18-29 year olds from PPP's latest poll:

Huckabee 45/19
Romney 32/34
Gingrich 30/32
Palin 30/53
I'm not surprised Huckabee is doing so well among the youth.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on August 24, 2009, 07:27:28 PM
Just for the record, favorables among 18-29 year olds from PPP's latest poll:

Huckabee 45/19
Romney 32/34
Gingrich 30/32
Palin 30/53
I'm not surprised Huckabee is doing so well among the youth.

And, according to PPP, Obama would carry them against Huckabee (51-40); Gingrich (53-40); Romney (58-28); and Palin (60-28)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 24, 2009, 07:28:52 PM
Yeah, but for a Republican to get 40% of the youth vote is pretty impressive compared to McCain, and LOL at Palin's 28%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajc0918 on August 24, 2009, 08:50:45 PM
Just for the record, favorables among 18-29 year olds from PPP's latest poll:

Huckabee 45/19
Romney 32/34
Gingrich 30/32
Palin 30/53
I'm not surprised Huckabee is doing so well among the youth.

And, according to PPP, Obama would carry them against Huckabee (51-40); Gingrich (53-40); Romney (58-28); and Palin (60-28)

Why is Romney so low?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on August 24, 2009, 08:53:09 PM
Just for the record, favorables among 18-29 year olds from PPP's latest poll:

Huckabee 45/19
Romney 32/34
Gingrich 30/32
Palin 30/53

Huckabee's numbers are surprising.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on August 24, 2009, 09:55:23 PM

Because the youth of today don't want to vote for Pure Evil.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mechaman on August 24, 2009, 09:59:42 PM
Just for the record, favorables among 18-29 year olds from PPP's latest poll:

Huckabee 45/19
Romney 32/34
Gingrich 30/32
Palin 30/53

Huckabee's numbers are surprising.

I worry for the future of today's youth if Huckabee is that popular.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on August 24, 2009, 10:05:41 PM

Because the youth of today don't want to vote for Pure Evil.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on August 24, 2009, 10:18:32 PM
I worry for the future of today's youth if Huckabee is that popular.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 25, 2009, 06:24:39 AM

He's folksy and his best friend's Chuck Norris... of course Republican young'uns like him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 25, 2009, 06:25:40 AM

He's folksy and his best friend's Chuck Norris... of course Republican young'uns like him.

Those aren't just Republican 18-29 year olds, it's all of them...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on August 25, 2009, 08:04:51 AM
Gingrich is surprisingly strong with the youth. No doubt his intellectualism attracted some independents. I suspect that he would win more if he was the party's nominee because of the higher profile.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on August 25, 2009, 09:10:41 AM
Gingrich is surprisingly strong with the youth. No doubt his intellectualism attracted some independents. I suspect that he would win more if he was the party's nominee because of the higher profile.
Having a net disapproval is not surprisingly strong.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on August 25, 2009, 10:38:11 AM
The youth seem to be drawn to the hopeful message both Obama and Huckabee espouse. To tell you the truth, if I didn't know Huckabee was batsh*t crazy, I'd probably be a supporter of his. I have a favorable view of the man, his politics are just too, well, out there for me.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on August 25, 2009, 11:58:43 AM
The youth seem to be drawn to the hopeful message both Obama and Huckabee espouse. To tell you the truth, if I didn't know Huckabee was batsh*t crazy, I'd probably be a supporter of his. I have a favorable view of the man, his politics are just too, well, out there for me.

I think much of his 40% among 18-29 year olds is because of his likable personality. If he is the Republican candidate in a general election vs Obama, and young people see how nutty his views are, I am certain Obama will get a similar margin among young voters as he did in the 08 election vs McCain.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on August 25, 2009, 12:32:29 PM
Gallup:

Approve - 51%
Disapprove - 42%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Guderian on August 25, 2009, 04:07:40 PM
I remember being shocked when Huckabee got a huge standing ovation from undergraduates at Brown University (probably the most liberal Ivy League school) after giving a speech there. It's not really all that suprising when you think about it, he comes across very friendly and authentic and two things 18-29s really dislike in politicans is mean-spiritedness and hypocrisy, which explains why they shunned Hillary and McCain for Obama and are not very supportive of Romney, Gingrich or Palin.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 25, 2009, 04:45:09 PM
Arkansas(PPP)

Approve 40%
Disapprove 56%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_AR_825.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 25, 2009, 04:49:41 PM
Arkansas:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on August 25, 2009, 04:56:29 PM
Huckabee could be dangerous, which scares me. His message is a good one, and if he can keep his theocracy cravings to himself until election day, he could give Obama a run for his money. As I said, I would vote for him if I was unaware of his politics.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 25, 2009, 05:13:30 PM
Arkansas(PPP)

Approve 40%
Disapprove 56%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_AR_825.pdf

That's not actually as bad as I would have expected it to be at the moment.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on August 25, 2009, 05:15:18 PM
Arkansas(PPP)

Approve 40%
Disapprove 56%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_AR_825.pdf

That's not actually as bad as I would have expected it to be at the moment.
I don't see how it could be much worse. That is about the amount of people that voted for Obama, it makes sense.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Nhoj on August 25, 2009, 05:17:55 PM
Arkansas(PPP)

Approve 40%
Disapprove 56%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_AR_825.pdf

That's not actually as bad as I would have expected it to be at the moment.
I don't see how it could be much worse. That is about the amount of people that voted for Obama, it makes sense.
Its actually a few points better, but probably within the margin of error.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 25, 2009, 05:18:22 PM
Arkansas(PPP)

Approve 40%
Disapprove 56%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_AR_825.pdf

That's not actually as bad as I would have expected it to be at the moment.
I don't see how it could be much worse. That is about the amount of people that voted for Obama, it makes sense.

PPP had a good article on their blog explaining that Obama has higher approval than his vote percentage in states with large black populations, compared to states with low black populations(CO to name one).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 26, 2009, 06:22:41 AM
NYC(Quinnipiac)

Approve 76%
Disapprove 19%

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1302.xml?ReleaseID=1368


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 26, 2009, 09:19:10 AM
Clarus research

Nationwide
Approve - 49
Disapprove 39

http://www.clarusrg.com/press_releases/2009/Obam-Aug09-Clarus-poll-aug24%20ppt.pdf (http://www.clarusrg.com/press_releases/2009/Obam-Aug09-Clarus-poll-aug24%20ppt.pdf)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 26, 2009, 11:20:50 AM
Clarus research

Nationwide
Approve - 49
Disapprove 39

http://www.clarusrg.com/press_releases/2009/Obam-Aug09-Clarus-poll-aug24%20ppt.pdf (http://www.clarusrg.com/press_releases/2009/Obam-Aug09-Clarus-poll-aug24%20ppt.pdf)

Against opponents most likely to run against him (page 12 of the 13-page PDF in the report):


Obama      47
Romney     38


Obama      48
Huckabee  38

Obama      52
Gingrich     34

Obama      53
Palin          34

Split the difference that falls short of 100% as the sum of support 3/2 R/D (a cautious division), and assume that the remainder would go for third-party candidates, and you get:

Obama     53
Romney    47

Obama     52
Huckabee 46

Which are about what Obama did in 2008 anyway. Huckabee and Romney have different patterns of nationwide support, resulting in different maps of electoral success or failure.

Palin and Gingrich are apparent jokes:

Obama    56
Gingrich   42

Obama     57
Palin        42

which would be a victory on roughly the scale of Eisenhower in 1956 for Obama against either.

The health care mess has been sapping support for Obama without creating support for Senate and Congressional Republicans. If Obama is seen as ineffective in getting health care reform, his Republican opponents get fault, too, for failure to do what is usually expected of the "loyal opposition" -- not so much to roll over and play dead, but instead to smooth the edges of the big programs that the majority promotes.

The Republicans don't have control of any economic issue other than taxes, and they will be in huge trouble if they try to defend the "enhanced interrogation techniques" that seem to have been approved very high in the prior administration.

People may have their doubts about Obama, but they are developing little confidence in the GOP. Core support of the GOP will be insufficient for keeping the number of House and Senates that it now has, let alone ousting Obama in 2012.






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on August 26, 2009, 12:49:49 PM
Gallup:

Approve - 51%
Disapprove - 44%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 26, 2009, 01:15:05 PM
Georgia (Strategic Vision):

37% Approve
56% Disapprove

The results are based on telephone interviews with 800 likely voters in Georgia, aged 18+, and conducted August 21-23, 2009 by telephone. The margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.

http://www.strategicvision.biz/political/georgia_poll_082609.htm

To East Coast Republican: Look, I´m posting a biased poll in favor of Obama ... ! :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ronnie on August 26, 2009, 01:15:31 PM
I think this is the lowest Gallup has ever had it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 26, 2009, 01:36:23 PM
US - Public Opinion Strategies (R)

54% Approve
43% Disapprove

August 11-13 poll of 800 registered voters (MoE +/- 3.5%)

http://pos.org/inthenews/heathcare_interviewschedule.pdf

Florida - Public Opinion Strategies (R)

45% Approve
50% Disapprove

August 4-5 poll of 600 likely Florida voters (MoE +/- 4%)

http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2009/08/gop-poll-bill-mccollum-47-alex-sink-38.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 26, 2009, 02:26:07 PM
US - Public Opinion Strategies (R)

54% Approve
43% Disapprove


August 11-13 poll of 800 registered voters (MoE +/- 3.5%)

http://pos.org/inthenews/heathcare_interviewschedule.pdf

And from an (R) pollster?

But anyway, Pollster's high sensitivity has it at 49.7/47.4 and RCP has it at 51.8/42.2. Obama needs a good few good news cycles.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 26, 2009, 04:48:03 PM
Nebraska(Research 2000)

Favorable 36%
Unfavorable 61%

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/8/19/NE/349


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 26, 2009, 04:57:01 PM
Nebraska(Research 2000)

Favorable 36%
Unfavorable 61%

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/8/19/NE/349

...I'm soooooooooo shocked at that. This doesn't bode well for his approvals/favourables in Wyoming and Idaho does it?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on August 26, 2009, 05:01:55 PM
Nebraska(Research 2000)

Favorable 36%
Unfavorable 61%

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/8/19/NE/349

I'm not exactly suprised at that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on August 26, 2009, 05:09:24 PM
Nebraska(Research 2000)

Favorable 36%
Unfavorable 61%

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/8/19/NE/349
Taking the Age Wave into account, Obama should still be competitive in NE-02, and will get around 42-45% statewide.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 26, 2009, 05:20:46 PM
The Georgia poll has some independence; the Florida poll, commissioned by a political party, has none. (I also reject interactive polls). Nebraska polled for the first time statewide (doesn't affect NE-02, Greater Omaha). I suspect that Obama is around 70% disapproval in NE-03, I'm guessing on NE-01 (near the state average) and NE-02.

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Obama may be paying a price for the failure of his health care reform to take hold... but the GOP seems to be gaining no lasting political capital from it so far; look at the approval ratings for Obama against imaginable candidates. Remember: a campaign of confusion is less likely to create long-term support (the GOP needs this more than anything else) than is offering a valid alternative.  The GOP has taken a high-risk strategy -- one that can still blow up badly.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on August 26, 2009, 05:47:43 PM
Nebraska(Research 2000)

Favorable 36%
Unfavorable 61%

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/8/19/NE/349
Taking the Age Wave into account, Obama should still be competitive in NE-02, and will get around 42-45% statewide.

You've bought into the ludicrous "age wave" theory? I'm not so sure I buy it considering I saw a poll on Facebook today with 70% of respondents (258,000) saying they would not want Obama reelected. Small snap shot, I know, but still.

I'm still going to go with the old age theory of approval ratings. If Obama has less than a 50% approval rating in a state, he probably will lose it. If his approvals are 36% in Nebraska, I have no idea why you'd think he'd get 42%-45% or so statewide. The old method has been true in the past, and I am not going to buy these age wave theories until they actually are proven to be true.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on August 26, 2009, 05:55:41 PM
Nebraska(Research 2000)

Favorable 36%
Unfavorable 61%

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/8/19/NE/349
Taking the Age Wave into account, Obama should still be competitive in NE-02, and will get around 42-45% statewide.

You've bought into the ludicrous "age wave" theory? I'm not so sure I buy it considering I saw a poll on Facebook today with 70% of respondents (258,000) saying they would not want Obama reelected. Small snap shot, I know, but still.

I'm still going to go with the old age theory of approval ratings. If Obama has less than a 50% approval rating in a state, he probably will lose it. If his approvals are 36% in Nebraska, I have no idea why you'd think he'd get 42%-45% or so statewide. The old method has been true in the past, and I am not going to buy these age wave theories until they actually are proven to be true.

Barack Obama supporters on Facebook - 6,636,600
McCain/Palin 08 supporters on Facebook - 180,295
Ron Paul supporters on Facebook - 138,143

So the reason for Obama appearing so unpopular on Facebook is probably because most users on there dislike the President, whoever he/she is, as they see the President as an authority figure, and young people are known to rebel aganist authrority. Then again, Obama does have a lot more support than any other politician on there, so i dunno....


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Nhoj on August 26, 2009, 05:57:32 PM
Nebraska(Research 2000)

Favorable 36%
Unfavorable 61%

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/8/19/NE/349
Taking the Age Wave into account, Obama should still be competitive in NE-02, and will get around 42-45% statewide.

You've bought into the ludicrous "age wave" theory? I'm not so sure I buy it considering I saw a poll on Facebook today with 70% of respondents (258,000) saying they would not want Obama reelected. Small snap shot, I know, but still.

I'm still going to go with the old age theory of approval ratings. If Obama has less than a 50% approval rating in a state, he probably will lose it. If his approvals are 36% in Nebraska, I have no idea why you'd think he'd get 42%-45% or so statewide. The old method has been true in the past, and I am not going to buy these age wave theories until they actually are proven to be true.
facebook polls are really crappy and completely unrepresentative please do not bring them up.

As for the age wave, i wouldnt buy into it either as you said people generally get about the same percent that approve give or take a few points. Though tmth may be going on the fact that the neb poll showed him doing about 5% better among younger age group than the other age groups.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on August 26, 2009, 06:00:12 PM
Nebraska(Research 2000)

Favorable 36%
Unfavorable 61%

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/8/19/NE/349
Wow that is bad. I'm thinking that this poll is wrong though. This would mean his approvals are in the low 30's in Nebraska, which I highly doubt. Those kind of numbers are reserved for Utah, Wyoming and Idaho.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on August 26, 2009, 07:31:55 PM
Pbrower, what's up with Utah and Alabama?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 26, 2009, 07:47:31 PM
Wow, I'm surprised to see that nobody here has thrown out the idea of a "Kennedy bump" yet...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on August 26, 2009, 07:55:50 PM
Pbrower, what's up with Utah and Alabama?

Really old polls. You can safely assume Obama isnt too popular in those states.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on August 26, 2009, 07:56:58 PM
Wow, I'm surprised to see that nobody here has thrown out the idea of a "Kennedy bump" yet...

I'm not sure, but maybe it will help increase support for health care reform by a couple of percentage points.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on August 26, 2009, 08:15:23 PM
Wow, I'm surprised to see that nobody here has thrown out the idea of a "Kennedy bump" yet...

I actually was thinking about that. I think that'll help the dems in their version of Healthcare reform.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 26, 2009, 08:52:37 PM
Does anyone know if Bush got a bit of a bump after Reagan died (I honestly can't remember)?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 26, 2009, 10:48:04 PM
Pbrower, what's up with Utah and Alabama?

Utah? Really-old poll. Alabama? Suspicious poll because it is commissioned by an independent (but partisan) group -- a teachers' union. For Alabama, a poll is a poll, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it change in a few days.

South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee -- likewise.

I find it hard to believe that Obama support can be 60% in Indiana or Iowa -- those polls are old. I don't replace an old poll with guesswork.

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 27, 2009, 12:24:12 AM
Wow, I'm surprised to see that nobody here has thrown out the idea of a "Kennedy bump" yet...

I'm not sure, but maybe it will help increase support for health care reform by a couple of percentage points.

The death of Teddy Kennedy loses one reliable Democratic vote for a few weeks at the least. That's two percentage points in the Senate.

That said, should the Democrats pass a health care reform bill, then the GOP leadership loses (for at least a while) an issue  upon which to carp. Political life gets quiet again -- with lots of current Republicans having to explain where the "death panels" were in the legislation and other such stuff.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 27, 2009, 05:55:47 AM
Pbrower, what's up with Utah and Alabama?

Utah? Really-old poll. Alabama? Suspicious poll because it is commissioned by an independent (but partisan) group -- a teachers' union. For Alabama, a poll is a poll, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it change in a few days.

South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee -- likewise.

I find it hard to believe that Obama support can be 60% in Indiana or Iowa -- those polls are old. I don't replace an old poll with guesswork.

 

He's at 56% in Iowa. You just missed the SUSA poll apparently. I know that they were all posted in this thread.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=3fab4706-44e4-498e-b857-5a08b6d5d81b


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 27, 2009, 08:37:54 AM
Pbrower, what's up with Utah and Alabama?

Utah? Really-old poll. Alabama? Suspicious poll because it is commissioned by an independent (but partisan) group -- a teachers' union. For Alabama, a poll is a poll, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it change in a few days.

South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee -- likewise.

I find it hard to believe that Obama support can be 60% in Indiana or Iowa -- those polls are old. I don't replace an old poll with guesswork.

 

He's at 56% in Iowa. You just missed the SUSA poll apparently. I know that they were all posted in this thread.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=3fab4706-44e4-498e-b857-5a08b6d5d81b

More than a month ago, and 56% rounds up to 60%.  I see a bigger difference in practice between 52% and 56% than between 56% and 63% in support, so I round up. That also works with negative appraisals; a 56% disapproval suggests that things are not close enough for easy "rectification" as does 63%, more so than 52%. maybe the system would work better with 5% gradations between 50 and 70% and a really-dark shade for something above that.

Some have criticized me for rounding up because when things were going well for Obama the rounding-up made him look more popular than he is. When things begin to look not so good, this system may exaggerate that. In 2008 Obama quit appearing in a state when it was up 55-45 one way or another... when it was up 55-45 for him because further campaigning was going to pile on, and when he was down 55-45 because his efforts weren't going to change things fast enough.   

There will be ups and downs. Does anyone expect the Hard Right to give up? They have the class privilege of the rich to protect and the superstitions of the under-learned to uphold against challenges from liberals and secularists. They were satisfied with Dubya, who gave them what they wanted most even if such alienated everyone else. They may see Obama as a bump on the road after which America will come to its senses and recognize that prosperity depends upon the unrelieved sacrifices of working people (misery creates wealth, doesn't it?) and upon the widespread acceptance of an abortion ban and a Biblical view of physical reality. The Hard Right still has a vision of a Christian and Corporate State, and if the Hard Right can make the new Jimmy Carter or Herbert Hoover out of Barack Obama, then things will be going very well -- maybe not for the rest of us, but surely well for themselves. If they can't get a continuation of their favored sort of politician, then at least they can get a failed liberalism that convinces America that (I hate to use the political f-word) works better, and maybe puts someone with a Dubya-like agenda back in the White House in 2012 and a "reliable" Congress and Senate back in charge -- this time with more power to enforce its well and to get institutional changes.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on August 27, 2009, 09:03:13 AM
Don't you just love hacks...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 27, 2009, 10:46:37 AM
Rasmussen
8/25/09; 500 likely voters; 4.5% margin of error
Mode: IVR

New Jersey

Job Approval / Disapproval
Pres. Obama: 55% Approve, 44% Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on August 27, 2009, 12:09:10 PM
Gallup

Approve: 50%
Disapprove: 43%

Oh noes... Gallup was infiltrated by the fascist robot overlords of the Republican Party!!!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on August 27, 2009, 12:13:26 PM
Obama needs to stop his slide quickly.  He has got to get to the Senate and tell Democrats taht they dont have a choice of opposing this. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on August 27, 2009, 12:28:15 PM
Obama needs to stop his slide quickly.  He has got to get to the Senate and tell Democrats taht they dont have a choice of opposing this. 

How would ramming the healthcare bill through congress help the President's approval ratings when a majority of Americans oppose it?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 27, 2009, 01:14:47 PM
Obama needs to stop his slide quickly.  He has got to get to the Senate and tell Democrats taht they dont have a choice of opposing this. 

How would ramming the healthcare bill through congress help the President's approval ratings when a majority of Americans oppose it?

The choice of methods that the Hard Right is using is itself a huge gamble. The GOP has been losing about as much as Obama has so far. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on August 27, 2009, 01:19:40 PM
Obama needs to stop his slide quickly.  He has got to get to the Senate and tell Democrats taht they dont have a choice of opposing this. 

How would ramming the healthcare bill through congress help the President's approval ratings when a majority of Americans oppose it?
Well it obviously wouldn't help in the short term but long term it would help tremendously. The Republicans would look like a bunch of ass clowns once it turns out that death panels don't exist and that the government is nationalizing everything. Besides not passing the health care bill would hurt him in the same way short term.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 27, 2009, 01:59:36 PM

Honestly, should you really be talking about anyone else? Honestly?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on August 27, 2009, 03:26:12 PM
People are being too dramatic on the death panels. It's not nearly as huge of an issue as some are making it to be.
Just a small note, Obama's Gallup approval rating is tired with Rasumussen's. So I guess Gallup is now a Republican hack poll, too.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BM on August 27, 2009, 03:54:21 PM
If you look at the Gallup graph, his overall decline started around his 100th day in office almost to the exact date. I never bought in to the 100 day honeymoon thing, but maybe it is true in this case.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on August 27, 2009, 05:49:43 PM
Obama needs to stop his slide quickly.  He has got to get to the Senate and tell Democrats taht they dont have a choice of opposing this. 

How would ramming the healthcare bill through congress help the President's approval ratings when a majority of Americans oppose it?
Well it obviously wouldn't help in the short term but long term it would help tremendously. The Republicans would look like a bunch of ass clowns once it turns out that death panels don't exist and that the government is nationalizing everything. Besides not passing the health care bill would hurt him in the same way short term.

Why? In the short term, it looks like more people would be happy that this healthcare bill didn't go through. Long term it's a tossup. If it works out, then Obama wins, but if it ends up costing us more and ruining our healthcare system, then it will ruin him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Beet on August 27, 2009, 08:07:38 PM
Jesus, this guy is dropping like a rock. I thought he would drop some, find some support for a few months, then drop some more, but instead he's just dropping like a rock. This summer has been a nightmare. The talk of sleeping giants, peaceful revolution, a grassroots movement like never before, and the depth of passion is terrifying. It certainly wasn't reflected in the polls this spring. How did we go from 60+% approval and adoring crowds to peaceful revolution, screaming and shouting in a couple months? What happened to the middle phase where people begin to express disapproval but aren't going crazy?

Where does it end? What can Obama possibly do? If this goes on for the next 3 years, Obama will be fleeing the country taking a private charter plane to France before the end of his term rather than running for re-election.

Why weren't these people more vocal back in 2007 or 2008, when Obama's health care plan was first proposed?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rob on August 27, 2009, 09:48:19 PM
Why weren't these people more vocal back in 2007 or 2008, when Obama's health care plan was first proposed?

It just sank in that, yes, a Negro is in the White House. Grab yer guns, boys!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: zclark1994 on August 27, 2009, 09:59:22 PM
Why weren't these people more vocal back in 2007 or 2008, when Obama's health care plan was first proposed?

It just sank in that, yes, a Negro is in the White House. Grab yer guns, boys!
Jesus, this guy is dropping like a rock. I thought he would drop some, find some support for a few months, then drop some more, but instead he's just dropping like a rock. This summer has been a nightmare. The talk of sleeping giants, peaceful revolution, a grassroots movement like never before, and the depth of passion is terrifying. It certainly wasn't reflected in the polls this spring. How did we go from 60+% approval and adoring crowds to peaceful revolution, screaming and shouting in a couple months? What happened to the middle phase where people begin to express disapproval but aren't going crazy?

Where does it end? What can Obama possibly do? If this goes on for the next 3 years, Obama will be fleeing the country taking a private charter plane to France before the end of his term rather than running for re-election.

Why weren't these people more vocal back in 2007 or 2008, when Obama's health care plan was first proposed?

To answer your question of Why these people weren't more vocal in 2007 + 2008, it was b/c they didn't like Bush, McCain, or Obama.  I have heard it argued that If McCain had not chosen Sarah Palin as his running mate, and had been able to energize the republican electorate, he could have won the election by a thin margin.  Of course this is just a thesis, and it's also my opinion.

The last time something like this happened was probably back in 1994, when the last healthcare debate was going on.  I don't mean to copy fox news hosts, but the same thing happened.  Dems tried to do to much to fast, and were to far to the left, and lost their A) majority, and B) chance of having a long term majority.

Today we see the same thing happening.  Democrats are once again trying to do to much to fast, and are losing the american people.  They have re-energized that part of the Republican Electorate that was once dormant.  Had Clinton stayed on the Left, it is very possible that President Dole would have been a reality.  However, Clinton moved right to the center, and signed everything that came to his desk.

And to the people who always say that Republicans will never lose an election again and will go the way of the Federalists and the Whig's, I have one thing to say.  During the 86th united states congress, things were not looking to good for Republicans.  They had 35/100 seats in the senate, and 153 seats in the house compared to the Democrats 283 house seats and 65 senate seats.  Just about 8 short years later, Richard Nixon became president of the united states, and won re-election by a pretty good margin (520-17 electoral votes).  Even though democrats continued to dominate the house for several years, the tide turned.

Heres the facts, america is in a state of constant political evolution and change.  just because you won a landslide one year (2008 for Dems, 1988 for republicans) doesn't mean that it you are guaranteed safety in the next election (1992, Clinton elected in a landslide).

And republicans are not racists, although their are some bad apples, don't try and invalidate all of the Tea parties, Healthcare Protesters, and opponents of Obama by calling them racists.  Although I have heard some pretty outrageous things said, and would personally prefer if the debate was centered around issues that are real like how for profit insurance is supposed to compete with a public option that you don't even have to pay for or how much this plan will increase the debt by, whatever helps stop this works for me.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on August 27, 2009, 11:46:21 PM

Honestly, should you really be talking about anyone else? Honestly?

Are you calling me a hack? A hack for who exactly?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on August 28, 2009, 12:08:28 AM
Jesus, this guy is dropping like a rock. I thought he would drop some, find some support for a few months, then drop some more, but instead he's just dropping like a rock. This summer has been a nightmare. The talk of sleeping giants, peaceful revolution, a grassroots movement like never before, and the depth of passion is terrifying. It certainly wasn't reflected in the polls this spring. How did we go from 60+% approval and adoring crowds to peaceful revolution, screaming and shouting in a couple months? What happened to the middle phase where people begin to express disapproval but aren't going crazy?

Where does it end? What can Obama possibly do? If this goes on for the next 3 years, Obama will be fleeing the country taking a private charter plane to France before the end of his term rather than running for re-election.

Why weren't these people more vocal back in 2007 or 2008, when Obama's health care plan was first proposed?

Probably because people were so upset with Bush and the way the wars were going. They wanted to elect anyone from the other side, and Obama seemed like an inspiring, practical candidate. Unfortunately he has governed exactly as I expected him to do. People don't want to hear the Democrats exclaim "you lost, get over it, shut up and follow us." I've never seen the passion and anger in this country either. It's almost frightening, and when the media calls them organized mobs, it makes it worse. All of this anger was first projected on the Democrats in Congress, and now it's finally made its way to Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 28, 2009, 08:19:04 AM
US: National Survey (Economist 8/23-25)

Economist / YouGov
8/23-25/09; 1,000 adults, 4.9% margin of error
Mode: Internet

National

Favorable / Unfavorable
Barack Obama: 49 / 45
Nancy Pelosi: 25 / 53
Ted Kennedy: 43 / 41

Obama Job Approval
48% Approve, 45% Disapprove
Dems: 83 / 12
Reps: 14 / 82
Inds: 44 / 50
Economy: 45 / 48
Health Care: 41 / 51

Congress Job Approval
14% Approve, 60% Disapprove

National House Ballot
41% Democrat, 38% Republican

State of the Country
32% Right direction, 54% Wrong track

Economy: 24% Getting better, 36% Getting worse

Do you favor or oppose having a "public option" which would allow individuals to purchase
health insurance coverage from the government?
43% Favor, 30% Oppose

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2009/08/this_weeks_economistyougov_pol_12.cfm (http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2009/08/this_weeks_economistyougov_pol_12.cfm)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on August 28, 2009, 09:03:36 AM
Why weren't these people more vocal back in 2007 or 2008, when Obama's health care plan was first proposed?

This is America, we don't react until something actually happens.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 28, 2009, 10:35:14 AM
Rasmussen
Approval/Disapproval - 50/49, unchanged from yesterday

"Approval index" (Strongly approve-Strongly disapprove) is -8.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on August 28, 2009, 11:29:14 AM
R2000 for dailykos

Obama:

fav: 55 % (-3)
unfav: 40 % (+2)

no opinion: 4 (+1)

Party id: 31 % dem, 25% ind, 22 % rep, 5% other (?) and 17 % non voters (very useful, the "non voters")

Congressional ballot:

Dem : 34% (-1)
Gop: 28% (-1)

not sure: 38 % (+2)
                       

Considering the horrific democratic biais, it's very bad for Obama...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 28, 2009, 11:31:05 AM

Honestly, should you really be talking about anyone else? Honestly?

Are you calling me a hack? A hack for who exactly?

Democrats, of course. ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on August 28, 2009, 11:34:08 AM
Why weren't these people more vocal back in 2007 or 2008, when Obama's health care plan was first proposed?

Obama had a health care plan in 2007 or 2008?  Actually, Obama has a health care plan now?  Must've missed something.

I'm not going to necessarily brag about what I've said for many years, but it is the truth and gets proven "more truthier" every day.

Health care is to the Democrats what immigration reform is to Republicans - an issue that can be campaigned on, but must never be legislated on, otherwise it ends up destroying you.

This is so mainly because the polls lie.  Everyone says they want "universal health care" but the moment when you get into the specifics as to what is required, the people (and your base) turn against it and you.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on August 28, 2009, 01:17:05 PM
Jesus, this guy is dropping like a rock. I thought he would drop some, find some support for a few months, then drop some more, but instead he's just dropping like a rock. This summer has been a nightmare. The talk of sleeping giants, peaceful revolution, a grassroots movement like never before, and the depth of passion is terrifying. It certainly wasn't reflected in the polls this spring. How did we go from 60+% approval and adoring crowds to peaceful revolution, screaming and shouting in a couple months? What happened to the middle phase where people begin to express disapproval but aren't going crazy?

Where does it end? What can Obama possibly do? If this goes on for the next 3 years, Obama will be fleeing the country taking a private charter plane to France before the end of his term rather than running for re-election.

Why weren't these people more vocal back in 2007 or 2008, when Obama's health care plan was first proposed?
Relax. These same screamers and shouters were out in full crazy force at McCain/Palin rallies last fall, and again at the tea bag parties earlier this year when Obama was hovering around 60% approval. There is a substantial minority in this country utterly unreconstructed to Obama as president who are now venting their conservative spleens at town hall meetings about socialist death panels. Obama's drop is tied directly to the economy and lack of immediate progress on passing health care reform. If both continue to tank the Dems could face a wave election, but personally I suspect health care will pass this year as either a public option plan or co-ops and the economy will show signs of life by November next year (how much life is questionable, but the national mood should be at least somewhat better by then).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on August 28, 2009, 01:54:49 PM
I'm going to shout "Ronald Regan" every time someone mentions his approval rating in 200-and-ing-9 as an indicator of his electoral chances in 2012. His approval will probably go under 50% - maybe even under 40%, like Reagan - but he'll bounce back.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on August 28, 2009, 02:28:44 PM
I'm going to shout "Ronald Regan" every time someone mentions his approval rating in 200-and-ing-9 as an indicator of his electoral chances in 2012. His approval will probably go under 50% - maybe even under 40%, like Reagan - but he'll bounce back.
On that very cogent note, how bad were Reagan's approval ratings when unemployment was at this level in 81 or 82?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: paul718 on August 28, 2009, 02:44:25 PM
I'm going to shout "Ronald Regan" every time someone mentions his approval rating in 200-and-ing-9 as an indicator of his electoral chances in 2012. His approval will probably go under 50% - maybe even under 40%, like Reagan - but he'll bounce back.

Reagan's approvals were low in the beginning because the economic malaise hadn't been remedied.  It wasn't until is tax cuts were fully implemented circa-1983 that his approval rating recovered. 

The same exact thing is happening now.  If the economy makes a mid-term recovery a la Reagan, and I hope that it does, he'll be fine.  If not...we'll see.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 28, 2009, 07:44:00 PM
Good post from PPP:

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/08/was-obamas-approval-ever-that-high.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on August 28, 2009, 07:55:00 PM
Why weren't these people more vocal back in 2007 or 2008, when Obama's health care plan was first proposed?

Obama had a health care plan in 2007 or 2008?  Actually, Obama has a health care plan now?  Must've missed something.

I'm not going to necessarily brag about what I've said for many years, but it is the truth and gets proven "more truthier" every day.

Health care is to the Democrats what immigration reform is to Republicans - an issue that can be campaigned on, but must never be legislated on, otherwise it ends up destroying you.

This is so mainly because the polls lie.  Everyone says they want "universal health care" but the moment when you get into the specifics as to what is required, the people (and your base) turn against it and you.

I suspect that if Democrats fail on this, they will never attemp it again.  They are not stupid.  They will soon realize that this is a loser issue for them.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 28, 2009, 09:19:26 PM
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The survey finds President Obama holding up reasonably well in the conservative state: Fifty percent of Alabama likely voters are either very satisfied or somewhat satisfied with the job he's doing -- a number which may wind up having a big impact on the prospects of Davis and other local Democrats.

And people think that Kos polls are bad. Sorry, but that poll is hilarious!!! HAHAHAHA

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0809/Davis_leads_in_Al_poll.html?showall (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0809/Davis_leads_in_Al_poll.html?showall)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on August 28, 2009, 09:32:38 PM
Why weren't these people more vocal back in 2007 or 2008, when Obama's health care plan was first proposed?

Obama had a health care plan in 2007 or 2008?  Actually, Obama has a health care plan now?  Must've missed something.

I'm not going to necessarily brag about what I've said for many years, but it is the truth and gets proven "more truthier" every day.

Health care is to the Democrats what immigration reform is to Republicans - an issue that can be campaigned on, but must never be legislated on, otherwise it ends up destroying you.

This is so mainly because the polls lie.  Everyone says they want "universal health care" but the moment when you get into the specifics as to what is required, the people (and your base) turn against it and you.
Yeah, passing and prtecting Medicare has been a pain for Democrats to run on the last 40 years.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on August 28, 2009, 09:36:19 PM
Why weren't these people more vocal back in 2007 or 2008, when Obama's health care plan was first proposed?

Obama had a health care plan in 2007 or 2008?  Actually, Obama has a health care plan now?  Must've missed something.

I'm not going to necessarily brag about what I've said for many years, but it is the truth and gets proven "more truthier" every day.

Health care is to the Democrats what immigration reform is to Republicans - an issue that can be campaigned on, but must never be legislated on, otherwise it ends up destroying you.

This is so mainly because the polls lie.  Everyone says they want "universal health care" but the moment when you get into the specifics as to what is required, the people (and your base) turn against it and you.
Yeah, passing and prtecting Medicare has been a pain for Democrats to run on the last 40 years.

Times were far different back when Medicare was passed.  Republicans didnt work in lockstep as kneejerk opposition to anything a Democratic President supported and there was no corporate media attacking every little thing in the bill.  The days of liberals passing anything substantitive are likely over. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on August 29, 2009, 07:03:19 AM
I wrote it in another thread, but it deserves mention in that one too.

If Obama had a nickel every time the pundits declared him "dead and buried", he'd be able to buy Microsoft by now.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 30, 2009, 07:39:32 AM
Rasmussen

Approve 47%(tied for lowest ever)
Disapprove 52%(tied for highest ever)

Strongly Approve 32%
Strongly Disapprove 42%(highest ever)



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on August 30, 2009, 10:07:14 AM
President Obama isn't looking too hot right now. How's the hope and change doing for you? Ha ha ha


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on August 30, 2009, 10:27:13 AM
Rasmussen

Approve 47%(tied for lowest ever)
Disapprove 52%(tied for highest ever)

Strongly Approve 32%
Strongly Disapprove 42%(highest ever)



logical.

Rasmussen could not have the same numbers than gallup for longtime. Not sure than september will be better for Obama...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on August 30, 2009, 11:23:37 AM
Why weren't these people more vocal back in 2007 or 2008, when Obama's health care plan was first proposed?

Obama had a health care plan in 2007 or 2008?  Actually, Obama has a health care plan now?  Must've missed something.

I'm not going to necessarily brag about what I've said for many years, but it is the truth and gets proven "more truthier" every day.

Health care is to the Democrats what immigration reform is to Republicans - an issue that can be campaigned on, but must never be legislated on, otherwise it ends up destroying you.

This is so mainly because the polls lie.  Everyone says they want "universal health care" but the moment when you get into the specifics as to what is required, the people (and your base) turn against it and you.
Yeah, passing and prtecting Medicare has been a pain for Democrats to run on the last 40 years.

Medicare?  You have to go back that far for a reference.  You do realize my comparison issue - immigration reform - was not really on Republican radar screens until the last 15-20 years or so.  So, my comment is really not intended to go back that far.

Also, the comment refers to passing legislation, not protecting or whatever euphemistic term you want to come up with.  Which reminds me, the present legislation in front of Congress does not protect Medicare one bit.  Go read it.

Btw, if we're going to get real technical about it, LBJ signed Medicare into law in 1965.  And then examine how Democrats performed in the 1966 or 1968 or 1970 or 1972 elections.  Not that it was about Medicare, but I'm really growing tired of the stupidity around here.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 30, 2009, 12:58:28 PM
President Obama isn't looking too hot right now. How's the hope and change doing for you? Ha ha ha

LOL OMG GOOD ONE


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on August 30, 2009, 01:33:37 PM
Anyway, here's what I think the map for Obama approval ratings are right now.

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Red is approve
Blue is disapprove
Grey is tied

States that are close to 5050: Virginia, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, Ohio, Florida


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on August 30, 2009, 03:16:21 PM
I agree with your analysis Darius, except I think Florida may lean a bit more to the GOP then 50/50, and Ohio a bit more to the Dems.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: East Coast Republican on August 31, 2009, 08:17:57 AM
My TOP SECRET SOURCE informed me this morning that Rasmussen Reports is going to show President Obama at 46% approval-his LOWEST. APPROVAL. EVER.

I have to be dramatic because my source is almost never wrong.  They are reliable 90% of the time.  I wish I could tell you my source but I can't!  It's a SUPER BIG SECRET.

But take my word for it!  Obama will be at 46% approval when Rasmussen Reports releases their daily tracking poll at 930 AM EDT.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 31, 2009, 08:25:05 AM
My TOP SECRET SOURCE informed me this morning that Rasmussen Reports is going to show President Obama at 46% approval-his LOWEST. APPROVAL. EVER.

I have to be dramatic because my source is almost never wrong.  They are reliable 90% of the time.  I wish I could tell you my source but I can't!  It's a SUPER BIG SECRET.

But take my word for it!  Obama will be at 46% approval when Rasmussen Reports releases their daily tracking poll at 930 AM EDT.

Drudge.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: East Coast Republican on August 31, 2009, 08:45:08 AM
Wow!  He gives you inside information behind a 7-11 dumpster in FL every morning too?!

Dammit.  I thought I was the only client of his services.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 31, 2009, 09:05:40 AM
"Overall, 46% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. That’s the lowest level of total approval yet measured for Obama. 53% now disapprove.

81% of Democrats approve while 83% of Republicans disapprove. As for those not affiliated with either major party, 66% disapprove."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 31, 2009, 09:10:44 AM
SurveyUSA has just released their August tracking numbers, previous month in paranthesis:

Alabama: 40/58(42/56)
California: 62/33(66/30)
Iowa: 45/51(56/40)
Kansas: 45/51(41/53)
Kentucky: 36/61(41/55)
Minnesota: 53/44(51/46)
Missouri: 48/50(55/42)
New Mexico: 52/46(61/37)
New York: 58/38(63/34)
Oregon: 54/39(54/42)
Virginia: 42/54(44/49)
Washington: 51/46(56/41)
Wisconsin: 45/50(50/45)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 31, 2009, 09:17:39 AM
Bad numbers for Obama given it is "adults", but what's up with Kansas having the same numbers like IA and WI ?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 31, 2009, 09:20:24 AM
Bad numbers for Obama given it is "adults", but what's up with Kansas having the same numbers like IA and WI ?

Iowa changed dramtically because they found a lot more Republicans this time, and a lot less Democrats, so that change is probably solely because of party ID.

Wisconsin actually had a more favorable party ID for the Dems, but the fact that Obama is down 35/61 among Indies is what is dragging him there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 31, 2009, 09:23:10 AM
Ahahaha, Alabama:

Whites: 28% Approve, 69% Disapprove
Blacks: 75% Approve, 24% Disapprove

More like:

Whites: 15% Approve, 81% Disapprove
Blacks: 95% Approve, 3% Disapprove

:P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on August 31, 2009, 10:26:07 AM
The SUSA numbers extrapolate to 49%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: East Coast Republican on August 31, 2009, 12:03:03 PM
My jockstrap grows tighter with anticipation of todays Gallup numbers.  Will they go below 50?  Above?!  Stay the same?!?!

Somebody post the results.  I-and the forum-would loveeeee to know them ;-)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 31, 2009, 12:12:26 PM
It ticked up to 51/42.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: East Coast Republican on August 31, 2009, 12:16:55 PM
HAH! 

I KNEW that's was coming!  Ok I didnt know but I suspected it.  Seriously.  Anytime rasmussen moves into unchartered territory, Gallup always seems to counter it purposely by jumping up a bit.

What's with that?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on August 31, 2009, 12:51:58 PM
Democrats have a serious choice to make.  Will they simply cut Obama off from them much like they did to Carter in 1978 and blur the differences between themselves and Republican on most issues, or will they tie themselves to him, hoping that he recovers? 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on August 31, 2009, 12:55:22 PM
Ahahaha, Alabama:

Whites: 28% Approve, 69% Disapprove
Blacks: 75% Approve, 24% Disapprove

More like:

Whites: 15% Approve, 81% Disapprove
Blacks: 95% Approve, 3% Disapprove

:P

SurveyUSA always has messed up crosstabs.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on August 31, 2009, 12:56:39 PM
SurveyUSA has just released their August tracking numbers, previous month in paranthesis:

Alabama: 40/58(42/56)
California: 62/33(66/30)
Iowa: 45/51(56/40)
Kansas: 45/51(41/53)
Kentucky: 36/61(41/55)
Minnesota: 53/44(51/46)
Missouri: 48/50(55/42)
New Mexico: 52/46(61/37)
New York: 58/38(63/34)
Oregon: 54/39(54/42)
Virginia: 42/54(44/49)
Washington: 51/46(56/41)
Wisconsin: 45/50(50/45)

Iowa, Kansas, Virginia, Washington, and Washington look off.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese on August 31, 2009, 01:01:57 PM
Democrats have a serious choice to make.  Will they simply cut Obama off from them much like they did to Carter in 1978 and blur the differences between themselves and Republican on most issues, or will they tie themselves to him, hoping that he recovers? 

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It's still three years to re-election. We don't have to start sweating until after Midterm elections. What approval ratings are this early in a presidential term is quite irrelevant on election day. In September 2001 Bush had 90 % approval, yet he didn't win a landslide re-election.

So yeah, we're tying ourselves to him hoping he recovers. Not a serious or tough choice at all. 

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on August 31, 2009, 01:10:41 PM
Democrats have a serious choice to make.  Will they simply cut Obama off from them much like they did to Carter in 1978 and blur the differences between themselves and Republican on most issues, or will they tie themselves to him, hoping that he recovers? 

::)

It's still three years to re-election. We don't have to start sweating until after Midterm elections. What approval ratings are this early in a presidential term is quite irrelevant on election day. In September 2001 Bush had 90 % approval, yet he didn't win a landslide re-election.

So yeah, we're tying ourselves to him hoping he recovers. Not a serious or tough choice at all. 

 

The midterm elections are what I am talking about.  If Democrats lose the House in 2010, Obama is basically a dead duck.  He will probably get reelected, but he will run so far to the right that it wont matter. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese on August 31, 2009, 01:23:12 PM
Democrats have a serious choice to make.  Will they simply cut Obama off from them much like they did to Carter in 1978 and blur the differences between themselves and Republican on most issues, or will they tie themselves to him, hoping that he recovers? 

::)

It's still three years to re-election. We don't have to start sweating until after Midterm elections. What approval ratings are this early in a presidential term is quite irrelevant on election day. In September 2001 Bush had 90 % approval, yet he didn't win a landslide re-election.

So yeah, we're tying ourselves to him hoping he recovers. Not a serious or tough choice at all. 

 

The midterm elections are what I am talking about.  If Democrats lose the House in 2010, Obama is basically a dead duck.  He will probably get reelected, but he will run so far to the right that it wont matter. 

Oh well then I understand.

I however strongly doubt that the Democrats will loose the house. The Republicans will probably make gains (relativly big gains if  Obama is unpoular in 2010) but not enough to conquer congress agian. The Republicans approval ratings are not raising when Obama's falls after all.



 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 31, 2009, 02:10:50 PM
SurveyUSA has just released their August tracking numbers, previous month in paranthesis:

A great day for the coming Union of Christian and Corporate States, if you believe these polls:

Alabama: 40/58(42/56)
California: 62/33(66/30)
Iowa: 45/51(56/40)
Kansas: 45/51(41/53)
Kentucky: 36/61(41/55)
Minnesota: 53/44(51/46)
Missouri: 48/50(55/42)
New Mexico: 52/46(61/37)
New York: 58/38(63/34)
Oregon: 54/39(54/42)
Virginia: 42/54(44/49)
Washington: 51/46(56/41)
Wisconsin: 45/50(50/45)

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They are playing for keeps this time. There won't be any elections possible to challenge the basic reality after 2012. Get your passports ready if you are a liberal or something other than a fundamentalist Christian.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pogo stick on August 31, 2009, 02:21:15 PM
SurveyUSA has just released their August tracking numbers, previous month in paranthesis:

A great day for the coming Union of Christian and Corporate States, if you believe these polls:

Alabama: 40/58(42/56)
California: 62/33(66/30)
Iowa: 45/51(56/40)
Kansas: 45/51(41/53)
Kentucky: 36/61(41/55)
Minnesota: 53/44(51/46)
Missouri: 48/50(55/42)
New Mexico: 52/46(61/37)
New York: 58/38(63/34)
Oregon: 54/39(54/42)
Virginia: 42/54(44/49)
Washington: 51/46(56/41)
Wisconsin: 45/50(50/45)

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They are playing for keeps this time. There won't be any elections possible to challenge the basic reality after 2012. Get your passports ready if you are a liberal or something other than a fundamentalist Christian.

Wut?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on August 31, 2009, 02:25:51 PM
Low Obama approvals in Summer '09 will unquestionably lead to the Autumn '12 election of Mitt Romney, who will institute a fundamentalist Christian theocratic state.  With no elections.  Duh!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 31, 2009, 02:49:26 PM
Low Obama approvals in Summer '09 will unquestionably lead to the Autumn '12 election of Mitt Romney, who will institute a fundamentalist Christian theocratic state.  With no elections.  Duh!

Isn´t the Maya calendar saying that aliens will abduct the Romney/Crist ticket in late 2012 and that the Republican world will end ?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 31, 2009, 02:51:15 PM
Low Obama approvals in Summer '09 will unquestionably lead to the Autumn '12 election of Mitt Romney, who will institute a fundamentalist Christian theocratic state.  With no elections.  Duh!

There will be elections, but the Rove-like figures will arrange things so that there will be nothing like 2006 again. People will be able to vote 'wrong', but they will be taxed to hell while getting no public services. Democrats might win in places like the Sixteenth District of New York, and might be allowed enough leeway to win the electoral votes of places like Rhode Island and Vermont, and successors of Charlie Rangell and Maxine Waters might give  stirring speeches about the responsibilities of the government to the poor -- but it will be about as irrelevant as speeches in the Volkskammer of the old DDR (East Germany) from the tolerated opposition parties that "knew their places" in the "socialist" order. GWB-like figures will run the country into the ground until gross diplomatic blunders put a dictatorial America at war with entities like the EU, Russia, Japan, or China with the likely end of the order.

American wages and working conditions will be abysmal -- the sorts that encourage Americans to emigrate for better opportunities. The fastest-growing job category will be "domestic service". Peonage will be the normal relationship between management and capital. Children will be educated to believe that the most rapacious plutocrats are the most generous benefactors possible, and that such is the Will of God.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on August 31, 2009, 02:56:04 PM
By the "Rove-like figures," I presume you mean Mormons?

Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 31, 2009, 02:57:39 PM
By the "Rove-like figures," I presume you mean Mormons?

Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

I don't think that Karl Rove is a Mormon. His religious heritage means little in view of his ruthlessness.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 31, 2009, 03:17:58 PM
It may also be time for Obama to make an effort to rebuild the Bill Clinton coalition. It is time that he starts appearing in West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, and Oklahoma -- yes, Oklahoma with its two fascist Senators -- and telling people in states that rejected him so thoroughly in 2008 what they have to gain from liberalism.  Visiting states that were on the margin in 2008 may not be enough. He surely maxed out in places like Indiana and North Carolina, and he won't be able to count on them in 2012.

It's time for him to bring out the fact that poverty greatly reduces not only the quality of life, but also the length of life, and that poor whites and poor blacks in fact have something in common. Poor people are cheated in America, whatever their region and ethnicity.

Obama may not be the model of a fiery populist -- but he might be wise to prepare to become one just to push his favored programs -- the ones that will have him remembered as a great figure in American or a tantalizing figure in American history.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on August 31, 2009, 03:20:40 PM
Alan Keyes will be the next President of the United States of America.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on August 31, 2009, 03:35:02 PM
It may also be time for Obama to make an effort to rebuild the Bill Clinton coalition. It is time that he starts appearing in West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, and Oklahoma -- yes, Oklahoma with its two fascist Senators -- and telling people in states that rejected him so thoroughly in 2008 what they have to gain from liberalism.  Visiting states that were on the margin in 2008 may not be enough. He surely maxed out in places like Indiana and North Carolina, and he won't be able to count on them in 2012.



Obama has ZERO chance in any of those states you listed with the exception of maybe Texas.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on August 31, 2009, 03:51:59 PM
Does anyone else think that a Dennis Kucinich run is possible?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on August 31, 2009, 03:53:41 PM
Democrats have a serious choice to make.  Will they simply cut Obama off from them much like they did to Carter in 1978 and blur the differences between themselves and Republican on most issues, or will they tie themselves to him, hoping that he recovers? 

Democrats do have a serious choice to make. They either support the president's "investment" strategy on healthcare, education and energy or they don't. I mean what have Republicans to offer beyond "austerity" and $3 trillion in new tax cuts biased in favor of, surprise, surprise, the wealthy

The political 'problem' with the "investment" strategy, of course, is that much of it is short on reaping instant fruits. Nevertheless, there is no doubt in my mind that investment and a tax policy that rewards WORK and job creation is the way forward

Obama may yet still prove to be an effective president when it comes to the economy and jobs, but I don't see him being a transformational president unless he liberates himself from the "cult of neoliberalism" - that has reigned supreme with near catastrophic consequences - and starts championing the virtues of positive freedom over the vices of negative freedom

Capitalism needs to work for the well-being of all - and the fact that it hasn't of late (obviously, given that median incomes have fallen under George W Bush) - has only contributed to the severity of this recession. The spiralling costs of healthcare, for a start, can only have suppressed wages for millions of Americans. The middle class are the backbone of the economy and it is they, through consumer spending, who drive economic growth and spur job creation. I doubt its by "luck", that in the post-Depression era, it has been Democrats, rather than Republicans, who have tended to preside over more robust economic growth and job creation, as well as a more even rise in prosperity across all income quintiles. Policy preferences, surely, affect outcomes

That said, there just isn't any realistic going back to pre-Reagan tax rates; a welfare policy that was perceived as rewarding idleness over work, and that is where the Democratic Party went wrong in that it served to alienate much of the white working class, one of the founding pillars of the 'New Deal' coalition, into the arms of the Republicans; or a mixed economy

Maybe Independents, right now, are weary of all the spending, but it's pretty clear to me that government activism, through the AERRIA and TARP - and yes, I'm giving George W Bush some credit here - may well have prevented a reprisal of the 'Great Depression'. Would they have preferred that I wonder?

Surprising, as it may seem, I don't think the president is a state of terminal decline ... yet.

Nevertheless, this president is going to have to make tough choices on taxes and on spending that GWB neither had the sense nor the guts to confront. Any one can cut taxes; politically, I can't think of anything easier to accomplish, but raising them, however modestly, is going to take guts. The right decisions to make are not always, by any means, going to be the most popular ones

As far as healthcare reform goes, the public option is a hard sell given the deficit, and if that means, the libertarian-left non-profit "cooperative" plan or Wyden-Bennett getting a closer look then so be it. The president has his goals, expanding coverage to the uninsured and reducing costs, and he has set the fiscal parameters, deficit neutrality and no tax increases on those earning less than $250,000. He's not George W Bush, and he "gets it" that programs just can't be run-up on tick ... the never-never. I'm only dismayed with Democrats because they failed to achieve "unity" - on the best way forward - in caucus before any of it reached committee stage in the House. Division and disarray as only served to help the Republicans

Part of me would like to see a public option, if only to prove the lies, smears and scares coming from those invested, for stank political reasons, in it failing. Salivating at the thought of a re-run of 1994, no doubt. Moderate Republicans seem are scared sh*tless of seeking common ground out of fear from retribution from the dogmatoid Right

Still, there could be several factors driving a fall in Obama's approvals other than the economy. Could be the perception that the war in Afghanistan isn't going too well or it could be the decision to investigate CIA "abuses" - and I have strong reservations about that. Bush has gone, what happened under his watch happened - but, in all fairness to the man, there were no more 9/11's. All that should have done was draw a line in the sand - and move on

As far as 2012 goes, as a rule, voters vote prosperity. Shame they rolled the die on that back in 2000 ::). Well, most Americans didn't but that's another story ...

Nevertheless, this president deserves his fair shot. He wasn't bequeathed the best of starting points on which to build. And as the ol' saying goes "Rome [the economy] wasn't built in a day". If he's held to the same standard as Reagan, he'll start owning the economy from around the end of the Q1 2010. The rightwing dogmatoids, of course, started to blame Obama... well the day after he was elected, just as they were blaming Jimmy Carter for Reagan's woes long beyond the date their "sainted-one" took office. Speaking of Reagan, he actually signed off on tax increases in six of his eight years as president, alarmed by the deficits his supply side tax cuts spurred. It was them very same tax cuts that were supposed to see the economy grow by 5% in 1982, when in fact, it contracted by 2.2%

Republicans aren't the daddies when it comes to economic growth, jobs and prosperity

It may also be time for Obama to make an effort to rebuild the Bill Clinton coalition. It is time that he starts appearing in West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, and Oklahoma -- yes, Oklahoma with its two fascist Senators -- and telling people in states that rejected him so thoroughly in 2008 what they have to gain from liberalism.  Visiting states that were on the margin in 2008 may not be enough. He surely maxed out in places like Indiana and North Carolina, and he won't be able to count on them in 2012.

It's time for him to bring out the fact that poverty greatly reduces not only the quality of life, but also the length of life, and that poor whites and poor blacks in fact have something in common. Poor people are cheated in America, whatever their region and ethnicity.

Obama may not be the model of a fiery populist -- but he might be wise to prepare to become one just to push his favored programs -- the ones that will have him remembered as a great figure in American or a tantalizing figure in American history.

Obama needs to champion WORKFARE, rather than WELFARE, if he is to reach those voters given that it was the perception that welfare rewarded idleness over work that drove much of the white working class (one of the founding pillars of the 'New Deal') into the arms of the Republican Party, the tax policy of whom in the post-Reagan era, has been one of WEALTHFARE


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on August 31, 2009, 03:54:45 PM
Does anyone else think that a Dennis Kucinich run is possible?
yes I think him and a blue dog ala Ben Nelson will challenge Obama


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on August 31, 2009, 04:07:00 PM
Does anyone else think that a Dennis Kucinich run is possible?
yes I think him and a blue dog ala Ben Nelson will challenge Obama

If the Democratic Party chooses to cannibalize itself like it did in 1968 and 1980, it would lose the presidency in 2012

Besides isn't a bit early to be writing the president off seven months into his presidency?

On economic and quality of life issues, I've every confidence. He's a Democrat


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 31, 2009, 04:09:02 PM
Zogby Interactive

Approve 42%
Disapprove 48%

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1737


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 31, 2009, 04:11:58 PM
It may also be time for Obama to make an effort to rebuild the Bill Clinton coalition. It is time that he starts appearing in West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, and Oklahoma -- yes, Oklahoma with its two fascist Senators -- and telling people in states that rejected him so thoroughly in 2008 what they have to gain from liberalism.  Visiting states that were on the margin in 2008 may not be enough. He surely maxed out in places like Indiana and North Carolina, and he won't be able to count on them in 2012.



Obama has ZERO chance in any of those states you listed with the exception of maybe Texas.

He has a chance in Indiana and North Carolina, but Texas is more likely than any of the Clinton-but-not-Obama states.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on August 31, 2009, 04:18:06 PM
The things being posted in this thread remind me of why no matter how far left I move on some issues, I will never be able to become a Democrat. A Corporate and theocratic state will come in 2012 because the election will be rigged? When someone basically comes out and says that the only legitimate elections are those won by Democrats, then I tune them out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Meeker on August 31, 2009, 04:19:08 PM
Why are you guys so fascinated by this? It's like taking photos of a plant growing every day and analyzing them. It's completely irrelevant without some time between data.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on August 31, 2009, 04:20:23 PM
The things being posted in this thread remind me of why no matter how far left I move on some issues, I will never be able to become a Democrat. A Corporate and theocratic state will come in 2012 because the election will be rigged? When someone basically comes out and says that the only legitimate elections are those won by Democrats, then I tune them out.
No Democrat actually believes those things besides pbrower.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 31, 2009, 04:24:44 PM
The things being posted in this thread remind me of why no matter how far left I move on some issues, I will never be able to become a Democrat. A Corporate and theocratic state will come in 2012 because the election will be rigged? When someone basically comes out and says that the only legitimate elections are those won by Democrats, then I tune them out.
No Democrat actually believes those things besides pbrower.

He probably believes Diebold rigged the 2004 election too.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 31, 2009, 04:29:28 PM
The things being posted in this thread remind me of why no matter how far left I move on some issues, I will never be able to become a Democrat. A Corporate and theocratic state will come in 2012 because the election will be rigged? When someone basically comes out and says that the only legitimate elections are those won by Democrats, then I tune them out.

It's the ones after 2012 that would be rigged.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pogo stick on August 31, 2009, 04:31:50 PM
The things being posted in this thread remind me of why no matter how far left I move on some issues, I will never be able to become a Democrat. A Corporate and theocratic state will come in 2012 because the election will be rigged? When someone basically comes out and says that the only legitimate elections are those won by Democrats, then I tune them out.

It's the ones after 2012 that would be rigged.

Wow. Congrats you reached my levels of stupidity.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on August 31, 2009, 04:33:59 PM
The things being posted in this thread remind me of why no matter how far left I move on some issues, I will never be able to become a Democrat. A Corporate and theocratic state will come in 2012 because the election will be rigged? When someone basically comes out and says that the only legitimate elections are those won by Democrats, then I tune them out.

It's the ones after 2012 that would be rigged.

Wow. Congrats you reached my levels of stupidity.

Your opinion matters.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on August 31, 2009, 04:41:40 PM
The things being posted in this thread remind me of why no matter how far left I move on some issues, I will never be able to become a Democrat. A Corporate and theocratic state will come in 2012 because the election will be rigged? When someone basically comes out and says that the only legitimate elections are those won by Democrats, then I tune them out.

It's the ones after 2012 that would be rigged.

Ah, I see. So what happened in 2006 and 2008? The Republicans had no problems rigging the 2000 and 2004 elections. Why did they rest on their laurels in 2006 and 2008?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 31, 2009, 04:44:37 PM
The things being posted in this thread remind me of why no matter how far left I move on some issues, I will never be able to become a Democrat. A Corporate and theocratic state will come in 2012 because the election will be rigged? When someone basically comes out and says that the only legitimate elections are those won by Democrats, then I tune them out.
No Democrat actually believes those things besides pbrower.

He probably believes Diebold rigged the 2004 election too.

No. Kenneth Blackwell, Secretary of State in Ohio in 2004. Add to that a smear campaign that incorporated forgeries, including one putting John Kerry and Jane Fonda in the same place at the same time (lighting patterns indicate a forgery due to light striking them from different directions) and a campaign of manipulation of fear of international terrorism.

Obama played a beat-the-cheat strategy and won in 2008.

I simply have no faith in any honor of the Hard Right in America -- people who act as if Niccolo Machiavelli were a Founding Father.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 31, 2009, 04:46:21 PM
The things being posted in this thread remind me of why no matter how far left I move on some issues, I will never be able to become a Democrat. A Corporate and theocratic state will come in 2012 because the election will be rigged? When someone basically comes out and says that the only legitimate elections are those won by Democrats, then I tune them out.
No Democrat actually believes those things besides pbrower.

He probably believes Diebold rigged the 2004 election too.

No. Kenneth Blackwell, Secretary of State in Ohio in 2004. Add to that a smear campaign that incorporated forgeries, including one putting John Kerry and Jane Fonda in the same place at the same time (lighting patterns indicate a forgery due to light striking them from different directions) and a campaign of manipulation of fear of international terrorism.

Obama played a beat-the-cheat strategy and won in 2008.

I simply have no faith in any honor of the Hard Right in America -- people who act as if Niccolo Machiavelli were a Founding Father.

Oh! Obama is so great that he can beat a rigged election! All Hail Lord Obama!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on August 31, 2009, 04:48:39 PM
Does anyone else think that a Dennis Kucinich run is possible?
yes I think him and a blue dog ala Ben Nelson will challenge Obama

If the Democratic Party chooses to cannibalize itself like it did in 1968 and 1980, it would lose the presidency in 2012

Besides isn't a bit early to be writing the president off seven months into his presidency?

On economic and quality of life issues, I've every confidence. He's a Democrat

I think Democrats need to lose the Presidency if they fail on healthcare. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 31, 2009, 04:56:08 PM
The things being posted in this thread remind me of why no matter how far left I move on some issues, I will never be able to become a Democrat. A Corporate and theocratic state will come in 2012 because the election will be rigged? When someone basically comes out and says that the only legitimate elections are those won by Democrats, then I tune them out.
No Democrat actually believes those things besides pbrower.

He probably believes Diebold rigged the 2004 election too.

No. Kenneth Blackwell, Secretary of State in Ohio in 2004. Add to that a smear campaign that incorporated forgeries, including one putting John Kerry and Jane Fonda in the same place at the same time (lighting patterns indicate a forgery due to light striking them from different directions) and a campaign of manipulation of fear of international terrorism.

Obama played a beat-the-cheat strategy and won in 2008.

I simply have no faith in any honor of the Hard Right in America -- people who act as if Niccolo Machiavelli were a Founding Father.

Oh! Obama is so great that he can beat a rigged election! All Hail Lord Obama!

I don't want to go too far with this. The GOP was able to manipulate the consequences of the September 11 attack for every bit of political gain possible. In 2004 the Bush campaign manipulated terror warnings to scare people into voting for them. By 2006 they recognized that the gig was up. They could rig a small margin and make things look close, but not a huge gap. In 2008 the gap got even larger because of GOP bungling of the economy.

That's enough for 2008. The GOP continues to attract the most ruthless of political operatives  -- at one time, Lee Atwater, and more recently Karl Rove. The GOP can make things very profitable for a small group of economic elites at the expense of everyone else, and those economic elites don't want to relinquish the power that they had when Rove was Party Boss and wielded dictatorial powers -- once the Hard Right gets power back.

I just don't trust the b@stards. Enough said.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 31, 2009, 05:12:36 PM
Does anyone else think that a Dennis Kucinich run is possible?
yes I think him and a blue dog ala Ben Nelson will challenge Obama

If the Democratic Party chooses to cannibalize itself like it did in 1968 and 1980, it would lose the presidency in 2012

Besides isn't a bit early to be writing the president off seven months into his presidency?

On economic and quality of life issues, I've every confidence. He's a Democrat

I think Democrats need to lose the Presidency house of reps if they fail on healthcare. 

In my opinion anyway.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on August 31, 2009, 05:17:31 PM
Does anyone else think that a Dennis Kucinich run is possible?
yes I think him and a blue dog ala Ben Nelson will challenge Obama

If the Democratic Party chooses to cannibalize itself like it did in 1968 and 1980, it would lose the presidency in 2012

Besides isn't a bit early to be writing the president off seven months into his presidency?

On economic and quality of life issues, I've every confidence. He's a Democrat

I think Democrats need to lose the Presidency if they fail on healthcare. 

It's kind of a double edged sword. I think they are hurt more if they pass it than if they back off in the minds of the public. It will look worse if they go it alone and force it through.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 31, 2009, 05:27:43 PM
Does anyone else think that a Dennis Kucinich run is possible?
yes I think him and a blue dog ala Ben Nelson will challenge Obama

If the Democratic Party chooses to cannibalize itself like it did in 1968 and 1980, it would lose the presidency in 2012

Besides isn't a bit early to be writing the president off seven months into his presidency?

On economic and quality of life issues, I've every confidence. He's a Democrat

I think Democrats need to lose the Presidency if they fail on healthcare. 

It's kind of a double edged sword. I think they are hurt more if they pass it than if they back off in the minds of the public. It will look worse if they go it alone and force it through.

I agree, but then they look weak if they don't get it passed and just give up. In my opinion, they can't get out of this easily without getting a kick in the face really.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on August 31, 2009, 05:47:14 PM
By 2006 they recognized that the gig was up. They could rig a small margin and make things look close, but not a huge gap. In 2008 the gap got even larger because of GOP bungling of the economy.
Do you have any proof that Republicans rig all of these elections, or is this just you in denial of the fact that a high % of Americans actually like Republicans?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on August 31, 2009, 06:08:17 PM
Does anyone else think that a Dennis Kucinich run is possible?
yes I think him and a blue dog ala Ben Nelson will challenge Obama

If the Democratic Party chooses to cannibalize itself like it did in 1968 and 1980, it would lose the presidency in 2012

Besides isn't a bit early to be writing the president off seven months into his presidency?

On economic and quality of life issues, I've every confidence. He's a Democrat

I think Democrats need to lose the Presidency if they fail on healthcare. 

Something will pass, whether or not it includes a public option or not, is any one's guess given all the irrational fear of government out there. Aye that big bad evil government - the intervention of which appears to have averted a reprise of the 'Great Depression'. Them Tea Bagging loons, of course, would have guaranteed that

Modern liberalism premised on postive freedom could save capitalism yet. It was the original 'Third Way', occupying the center ground between socialism, on the left, and classical liberalism (and contemporary neoliberalism and conservatism), on the right. Both extremes of which have inevitably led to disaster or near disaster, in different parts of the world

As president's go, it can't be easy being  blue . How any pragmatically center-left Democrat can attract such vitriolic hatred, so soon into his presidency, is shameful, especially when he is having to fix a Right ol' mess

Democrats must be a class above Republicans, in so far as they tend to be more willing to give a new president of the opposite party a fair go - and they did George W Bush, especially in the wake of 9/11. This president deserves the same given the magnitude of the challenges he was bequeathed


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on August 31, 2009, 06:22:02 PM
Why weren't these people more vocal back in 2007 or 2008, when Obama's health care plan was first proposed?

Obama had a health care plan in 2007 or 2008?  Actually, Obama has a health care plan now?  Must've missed something.

I'm not going to necessarily brag about what I've said for many years, but it is the truth and gets proven "more truthier" every day.

Health care is to the Democrats what immigration reform is to Republicans - an issue that can be campaigned on, but must never be legislated on, otherwise it ends up destroying you.

This is so mainly because the polls lie.  Everyone says they want "universal health care" but the moment when you get into the specifics as to what is required, the people (and your base) turn against it and you.
Yeah, passing and protecting Medicare has been a pain for Democrats to run on the last 40 years.

Medicare?  You have to go back that far for a reference.  You do realize my comparison issue - immigration reform - was not really on Republican radar screens until the last 15-20 years or so.  So, my comment is really not intended to go back that far.
Alright, I'll grant you health care reform bit the Dems in the ass once about 15 years ago. Not much of a harbinger compared to the decades they've had to run as the protector of medicare and medicaid.
Also, the comment refers to passing legislation, not protecting or whatever euphemistic term you want to come up with.  Which reminds me, the present legislation in front of Congress does not protect Medicare one bit.  Go read it.
So how does the proposed legislation actually threaten Medicare?
Btw, if we're going to get real technical about it, LBJ signed Medicare into law in 1965.  And then examine how Democrats performed in the 1966 or 1968 or 1970 or 1972 elections.  Not that it was about Medicare, That, is just a tad bit an understatement. but I'm really growing tired of the stupidity around here. Yep.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: SenatorShadowLands on August 31, 2009, 06:49:26 PM
I think it goes without saying that Obama's approvals are more pertinent to 2010 than 2012. If he tanks badly enough (as most polls are suggesting) then the GOP retaking the House and moving to within throwing distance of control of the Senate (especially with the 2012 Senate Geography, the only GOP member that can be considered vulnerable is Ensign and only becuase of his scandal or he would have been safe too). I realize that info has all been posted and hashed over repeatedly but some here seem to need a reminder that these numbers mean more to the midterms than the Presidential election.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on August 31, 2009, 07:26:40 PM
Why weren't these people more vocal back in 2007 or 2008, when Obama's health care plan was first proposed?

Obama had a health care plan in 2007 or 2008?  Actually, Obama has a health care plan now?  Must've missed something.

I'm not going to necessarily brag about what I've said for many years, but it is the truth and gets proven "more truthier" every day.

Health care is to the Democrats what immigration reform is to Republicans - an issue that can be campaigned on, but must never be legislated on, otherwise it ends up destroying you.

This is so mainly because the polls lie.  Everyone says they want "universal health care" but the moment when you get into the specifics as to what is required, the people (and your base) turn against it and you.
Yeah, passing and protecting Medicare has been a pain for Democrats to run on the last 40 years.

Medicare?  You have to go back that far for a reference.  You do realize my comparison issue - immigration reform - was not really on Republican radar screens until the last 15-20 years or so.  So, my comment is really not intended to go back that far.
Alright, I'll grant you health care reform bit the Dems in the ass once about 15 years ago. Not much of a harbinger compared to the decades they've had to run as the protector of medicare and medicaid.
Also, the comment refers to passing legislation, not protecting or whatever euphemistic term you want to come up with.  Which reminds me, the present legislation in front of Congress does not protect Medicare one bit.  Go read it.
So how does the proposed legislation actually threaten Medicare?
Btw, if we're going to get real technical about it, LBJ signed Medicare into law in 1965.  And then examine how Democrats performed in the 1966 or 1968 or 1970 or 1972 elections.  Not that it was about Medicare, That, is just a tad bit an understatement. but I'm really growing tired of the stupidity around here. Yep.

Reactionary rightwing dogmatoid Republicans would have rolled back Social Security and Medicare if they could have by now. That's what they fear most about a public plan. Not being able to roll it back should it pass and 1) expose their lies, scares and smears for what they are and 2) prove itself enduringly popular, once in effect, in the eyes of the American electorate

There is nothing radical about wanting to expand healthcare coverage and reduce costs

Indeed, the House GOP alternative to the CBR committed them to 1) means-testing Social Security; 2) replacing Medicare with vouchers; and 3) turning Medicaid into block grants. Not to mention rolling back the tax cuts for WORKERS in the stimulus

In the wake of the 'Great Society', the white working class - a longtime pillar of FDR's 'New Deal' and WORKFARE started to bolt the Democratic Party because of a perception that WELFARE was rewarding idleness over work (and it was) and send them into the arms of the Republican Party, which, of course, in the post-Reagan era has championed WEALTHFARE

Left: WELFARE .................... Center: WORKFARE .................. Right: WEALTHFARE

No gold stars on which path, I suggest, President Obama and congressional Democrats follow, emphatically, moving forward. WELFARE and WEALTHFARE ferment resentment :(


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on August 31, 2009, 07:54:05 PM
I think it goes without saying that Obama's approvals are more pertinent to 2010 than 2012. If he tanks badly enough (as most polls are suggesting) then the GOP retaking the House and moving to within throwing distance of control of the Senate (especially with the 2012 Senate Geography, the only GOP member that can be considered vulnerable is Ensign and only becuase of his scandal or he would have been safe too). I realize that info has all been posted and hashed over repeatedly but some here seem to need a reminder that these numbers mean more to the midterms than the Presidential election.

The only hope for Obama and the Democrats moving through 2010 is for the economy to have rebounded nicely with falling unemployment. They can then charge Republicans with standing in the way of the recovery - and they will have

If meaningful healthcare reform does not pass, that will serve to demoralize Democrats. The Congressional Progressive Caucus - long advocates of single-payer - have already compromised, while any bipartisan tradeoff, according to former Sen. Bill Bradley (D-NJ), should be to combine universal coverage with malpractice tort reform in healthcare


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 01, 2009, 12:25:04 AM
New Jersey (Quinnipiac):

51% Approve
43% Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 01, 2009, 05:55:45 AM
More slouching to the Right:


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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 01, 2009, 07:59:37 AM
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 01, 2009, 08:21:03 AM
Rasmussen

Approve 45%
Disapprove 53%



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 01, 2009, 08:25:19 AM

Wow...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on September 01, 2009, 08:55:57 AM

The president is clearly being held to a high standard, unlike Bush. It's not like Obama was bequeathed a robust economy that had generated 23 million jobs, on which to build, or a federal government living within its means. If there were any standards whatsoever the Republican Party would have hit 1932 levels by now and President Obama would still be riding high

The rightwing dogmatoids were blaming Obama for the economy the day after he was elected; just as they blamed Carter for Reagan's Recession, well after Reagan took office. The supply side tax cuts passed in 1981 were supposed to see the economy grow by 5% in 1982, when, in fact, it contracted by 2.2%. Reagan, actually, signed off on tax increases in six of his eight years as president. If Obama is to be held to the same standard as Reagan, he should own the economy no sooner than the end of Q1 2010

As for big bad evil govenment, intervention through TARP (supported by a majority of House Democrats but not a majority of House Republicans) and the stimulus (opposed by the Republicans, en masse, essentially because there was nothing there for those unto whom they are dogmatically beholden, in other words no WEALTHFARE), if nothing else, appear to have averted a reprisal of the 'Great Depression'. Indeed they hated the WORKFARE tax cuts in the stimulus so much that their alternative Congressional Budget Resolution would have rolled them back

Many Independents may well be alarmed by the spending and the deficit - but only 10% of the projected deficit can be attributed to Obama's policies, according to non-partisan Concord Coalition. The rest being a consequence of fiscally reckless tax cuts; unfunded increases in expenditure - on the part of George W Bush - and the 'Great Recession', during which time tax revenue receipts have fallen and unemployment has risen, meaning more welfare expenditure

The deficit peaked following World War II at 30% of GDP - to be expected following the 'Great Depression' and the war - but for much of the modern liberal era it hovered around 1%-2% of GDP. On the other hand, save from 1998-2001 when a budget surplus was built on the back of an economic boom and increased tax revenues - yes, Clinton raised taxes - the neoliberal era has been marked by higher deficits

A crisis of this magntitude was inevitable sooner or later

I don't think its by "luck" that in the post-Depression era, it has been Democrats who have tended to preside over more robust economic growth and job creation. Not to mention a broader increase in prosperity. Policy preferences, surely, affect outcomes


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on September 01, 2009, 09:08:19 AM
If there were any standards whatsoever the Republican Party would have hit 1932 levels by now and President Obama would still be riding high

Lawl.  To "ride high" you need to be capable of doing something. People were very lenient when judging Obama (and continue to be, to some extent) in the first 100 days, but as time goes on, we're expecting action.  The most memorable aspects of the Obama administration thus far have been a stimulus package whose funds will mostly be spent after the economic downturn has subsided, and a cash-for-clunkers program that shifted most planned new car purchases from late 2009 and 2010 to the month of August at great public expense.

Most of what has come from the White House since Bush left office has been, frankly, uninspiring.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on September 01, 2009, 10:12:14 AM
Democratic Hawk is not going to blame Obama or his policies for his low rating.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on September 01, 2009, 10:18:06 AM
If there were any standards whatsoever the Republican Party would have hit 1932 levels by now and President Obama would still be riding high

Lawl.  To "ride high" you need to be capable of doing something. People were very lenient when judging Obama (and continue to be, to some extent) in the first 100 days, but as time goes on, we're expecting action.  The most memorable aspects of the Obama administration thus far have been a stimulus package whose funds will mostly be spent after the economic downturn has subsided, and a cash-for-clunkers program that shifted most planned new car purchases from late 2009 and 2010 to the month of August at great public expense.

Most of what has come from the White House since Bush left office has been, frankly, uninspiring.

I've more confidence in the "investment" strategy and WORKFARE than I do "austerity" and WEALTHFARE

Any one who thinks I can forgive George W Bush - and all the damage done - can think again


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on September 01, 2009, 10:23:19 AM
This was to be expected, so just take a deep breath.

He is falling faster than I expected, but I don't see his approval going below 40%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on September 01, 2009, 10:35:22 AM
I am shocked at the speed of Obama's decline in recent weeks. There has been no fluctuation at all. He's gone straight off the cliff. When is he going to bottom out? I thought maybe he'd get a small bounce when Kennedy died, but that hasn't happened.

I don't think the public is giving Bush a pass so much as they disapprove of Obama's actions. He's running up the debt at a pace that makes Bush look like a sissy. On top of that, he's wanting to add another trillion to it with the healthcare reform, even after it looks like our recovery may not be a strong as we thought, which will lead to a larger debt down the road. That's certainly why I disapprove of him now. I understand he came in under difficult circumstances, but the stimulus, which hasn't done a thing, and now healthcare reform have turned me completely off, not to mention the Big Brother policies (email the WH if your neighbor is acting fishy, I thought we were done with that when Bush left office?).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on September 01, 2009, 10:44:37 AM
Democratic Hawk is not going to blame Obama or his policies for his low rating.

And why should I? I'm a pragmatic moderate, not some rightwing dogmatoid


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 01, 2009, 11:14:44 AM
I am shocked at the speed of Obama's decline in recent weeks. There has been no fluctuation at all. He's gone straight off the cliff. When is he going to bottom out? I thought maybe he'd get a small bounce when Kennedy died, but that hasn't happened.

I don't think the public is giving Bush a pass so much as they disapprove of Obama's actions. He's running up the debt at a pace that makes Bush look like a sissy. On top of that, he's wanting to add another trillion to it with the healthcare reform, even after it looks like our recovery may not be a strong as we thought, which will lead to a larger debt down the road. That's certainly why I disapprove of him now. I understand he came in under difficult circumstances, but the stimulus, which hasn't done a thing, and now healthcare reform have turned me completely off, not to mention the Big Brother policies (email the WH if your neighbor is acting fishy, I thought we were done with that when Bush left office?).

Debt is invisible. It's not until people start seeing it in tax increases or cuts in public services that they see it.

The proposed healthcare reform is part of the problem, and the Right has been operating a vicious smear campaign. It's all soundbite-scaled lies, but they are vicious lies.

"Death panels"... "They will kill your grandmother"... Obama = Hitler

It's easier to tell a simple lie than to refute it. It's easy to press "Send All" to everyone in the e-mail box and far more difficult to examine the facts. People will need to see results in order to see the lies if they don't try to look at pages of a PDF.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: SenatorShadowLands on September 01, 2009, 11:18:55 AM
Democratic Hawk is not going to blame Obama or his policies for his low rating.

And why should I? I'm a pragmatic moderate, not some rightwing dogmatoid


You post an entire speech babbling about the evils of Reactionary Republican "wealthfare" attacking the GOP and nation en masse for their reactions to Obama's doing next to nothing since taking office and we are really supposed to believe you are a moderate? And do you really believe Obama stands for your "workfare" and not leftist welfare? You are delusional if that is the case.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on September 01, 2009, 11:41:17 AM
I've more confidence in the "investment" strategy and WORKFARE than I do "austerity" and WEALTHFARE

If you want to call what Obama did an "investment," that's fine. There's a lot of good that will be done with that money.

But it wasn't sold to the public as a long-term strategy for rebuilding infrastructure. It was sold as an economic recovery bill. Basically, a repackaging of something Democrats want to masquerade as something that is immediately needed to heal the economy when it would realistically do no such thing.

And now that we're not seeing immediate positive signs from the stimulus, Obama's paying a political price. While some people are still wondering where their job went, it gives the appearance as though Obama has wiped his hands clean and moved on to the next issue, health care, at the expense of paying attention to economic needs.

Any one who thinks I can forgive George W Bush - and all the damage done - can think again

Don't worry.  No one expects you to stop being a broken record.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on September 01, 2009, 11:47:40 AM
Democratic Hawk is not going to blame Obama or his policies for his low rating.

And why should I? I'm a pragmatic moderate, not some rightwing dogmatoid


You post an entire speech babbling about the evils of Reactionary Republican "wealthfare" attacking the GOP and nation en masse for their reactions to Obama's doing next to nothing since taking office and we are really supposed to believe you are a moderate? And do you really believe Obama stands for your "workfare" and not leftist welfare? You are delusional if that is the case.

Before you get caught up in semantics, I think it's fair enough just assume that Hawk is a moderate (or whichever set of buzzworded talking-pointed euphamism he chooses to use, "Christian :) Democrat" or pragmatic whateverthehell).

But to clarify, he's a Democratic partisan first and a moderate second.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on September 01, 2009, 11:59:08 AM
Democratic Hawk is not going to blame Obama or his policies for his low rating.

And why should I? I'm a pragmatic moderate, not some rightwing dogmatoid


You post an entire speech babbling about the evils of Reactionary Republican "wealthfare" attacking the GOP and nation en masse for their reactions to Obama's doing next to nothing since taking office and we are really supposed to believe you are a moderate? And do you really believe Obama stands for your "workfare" and not leftist welfare? You are delusional if that is the case.

Before you get caught up in semantics, I think it's fair enough just assume that Hawk is a moderate (or whichever set of buzzworded talking-pointed euphamism he chooses to use, "Christian :) Democrat" or pragmatic whateverthehell).

But to clarify, he's a Democratic partisan first and a moderate second.

No, Democratic Hawk is far from a moderate. You and I are moderates.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 01, 2009, 12:00:09 PM
PPP Generic Ballot

Republican 45%
Democrat 41%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_901.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on September 01, 2009, 01:54:23 PM
Democratic Hawk is not going to blame Obama or his policies for his low rating.

And why should I? I'm a pragmatic moderate, not some rightwing dogmatoid

You post an entire speech babbling about the evils of Reactionary Republican "wealthfare" attacking the GOP and nation en masse for their reactions to Obama's doing next to nothing since taking office and we are really supposed to believe you are a moderate?

I beg your pardon

Quote
And do you really believe Obama stands for your "workfare" and not leftist welfare?

Actually, the largest tax cut in the stimulus is the "Making Work Pay" tax credit ($116.2bn). What it is that if its not WORKFARE :)? The Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center deems that a B+ in terms of stimulus effect, along with increasing eligibility for the refundable portions of child credit ($14.8bn), which would help those on low incomes :). Problem with those?


But to clarify, he's a Democratic partisan first and a moderate second.

No, moderate first


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 01, 2009, 02:15:19 PM
West Virginia (Mark Blankenship Enterprises):

45% Approve
51% Disapprove

Governor Joe Manchin (D):

78% Approve
19% Disapprove

Senator Robert Byrd (D):

69% Approve
29% Disapprove

Senator Jay Rockefeller (D):

65% Approve
32% Disapprove

Rep. Shelley Moore Capito (R):

58% Approve
23% Disapprove

The telephone poll of 400 registered West Virginia voters was conducted Aug. 27 – 30 by Mark Blankenship Enterprises.

http://www.wsaz.com/political/headlines/56452337.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pogo stick on September 01, 2009, 02:22:53 PM
The things being posted in this thread remind me of why no matter how far left I move on some issues, I will never be able to become a Democrat. A Corporate and theocratic state will come in 2012 because the election will be rigged? When someone basically comes out and says that the only legitimate elections are those won by Democrats, then I tune them out.
No Democrat actually believes those things besides pbrower.

He probably believes Diebold rigged the 2004 election too.

No. Kenneth Blackwell, Secretary of State in Ohio in 2004. Add to that a smear campaign that incorporated forgeries, including one putting John Kerry and Jane Fonda in the same place at the same time (lighting patterns indicate a forgery due to light striking them from different directions) and a campaign of manipulation of fear of international terrorism.

Obama played a beat-the-cheat strategy and won in 2008.

I simply have no faith in any honor of the Hard Right in America -- people who act as if Niccolo Machiavelli were a Founding Father.

Oh! Obama is so great that he can beat a rigged election! All Hail Lord Obama!

I don't want to go too far with this. The GOP was able to manipulate the consequences of the September 11 attack for every bit of political gain possible. In 2004 the Bush campaign manipulated terror warnings to scare people into voting for them. By 2006 they recognized that the gig was up. They could rig a small margin and make things look close, but not a huge gap. In 2008 the gap got even larger because of GOP bungling of the economy.

That's enough for 2008. The GOP continues to attract the most ruthless of political operatives  -- at one time, Lee Atwater, and more recently Karl Rove. The GOP can make things very profitable for a small group of economic elites at the expense of everyone else, and those economic elites don't want to relinquish the power that they had when Rove was Party Boss and wielded dictatorial powers -- once the Hard Right gets power back.

I just don't trust the b@stards. Enough said.  

Keep being a idiotic hack. It'll get you many places.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 01, 2009, 02:27:25 PM

AL = yellow

Plz also colour all of NE in yellow.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 01, 2009, 03:15:37 PM

I can recognize the Alabama poll as spurious, but NE-02 isn't. Obama actually won it, and the poll for Nebraska was statewide. I'm not changing Tennessee, Utah, South Dakota, or South Carolina until I see new polls, either. It's up to you to recognize that those polls are old.




   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 01, 2009, 03:24:55 PM
I can recognize the Alabama poll as spurious, but NE-02 isn't. Obama actually won it, and the poll for Nebraska was statewide.

The R2000 poll was 36-61 favorable for Obama, but he got 42% on election day.

Obama won NE-02 just slightly and approval ratings are generally lower than favorables, so I doubt Obama is in positive territory considering these statewide numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on September 01, 2009, 03:37:36 PM
Well this sucks. I wasn't expecting the drop off to be so sudden.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Beet on September 01, 2009, 03:44:31 PM
Obama better get  back to the economy right away after this health care thing gets resolved one way or another.

His biggest problem is that the obsession with health care reform is making him seem out of touch, since 80% of the people are worried about the economy and the deficit, not health care. I do agree we need reform, and I hope he can get it done (with a public option), but then he has to turn his attention back to the economy and in a big way.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 01, 2009, 03:47:39 PM
CNN

Approve 53%
Disapprove 45%

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/09/01/cnn-poll-independents-disapprove-of-obama/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on September 01, 2009, 03:49:53 PM
Obama better get  back to the economy right away after this health care thing gets resolved one way or another.

His biggest problem is that the obsession with health care reform is making him seem out of touch, since 80% of the people are worried about the economy and the deficit, not health care. I do agree we need reform, and I hope he can get it done (with a public option), but then he has to turn his attention back to the economy and in a big way.
The good news is that the economy seems to be recovering quite well at the moment. It could be spun that way pretty easily by Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Beet on September 01, 2009, 03:57:23 PM
Obama better get  back to the economy right away after this health care thing gets resolved one way or another.

His biggest problem is that the obsession with health care reform is making him seem out of touch, since 80% of the people are worried about the economy and the deficit, not health care. I do agree we need reform, and I hope he can get it done (with a public option), but then he has to turn his attention back to the economy and in a big way.
The good news is that the economy seems to be recovering quite well at the moment. It could be spun that way pretty easily by Obama.

The economy is in deep sh*t. Whether it recovers or not from here on out is an open question. When you get days like you did today when the financial sector loses 4% completely out of the blue, it just goes to show how unstable things still are.

Just as bad, Obama doesn't seem to have any political instincts on this issue. His economic team are widely seen as cronies. He hasn't clearly explained the bailouts and spending. He hasn't responded to any of the crap out there criticizing his policies at all. He hasn't framed the issue in the right way. He is completely AWOL.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 01, 2009, 04:00:02 PM
I can recognize the Alabama poll as spurious, but NE-02 isn't. Obama actually won it, and the poll for Nebraska was statewide.

The R2000 poll was 36-61 favorable for Obama, but he got 42% on election day.

Obama won NE-02 just slightly and approval ratings are generally lower than favorables, so I doubt Obama is in positive territory considering these statewide numbers.
You forgot about the Age Wave. Obama will get back everything he has lost so far, including Missouri and Montana, because of the Age Wave.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 01, 2009, 04:00:25 PM
I can recognize the Alabama poll as spurious, but NE-02 isn't. Obama actually won it, and the poll for Nebraska was statewide.

The R2000 poll was 36-61 favorable for Obama, but he got 42% on election day.

Obama won NE-02 just slightly and approval ratings are generally lower than favorables, so I doubt Obama is in positive territory considering these statewide numbers.
You forgot about the Age Wave. Obama will get back everything he has lost so far, including Missouri and Montana, because of the Age Wave.

I hope that's sarcasm?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 01, 2009, 04:02:57 PM
I can recognize the Alabama poll as spurious, but NE-02 isn't. Obama actually won it, and the poll for Nebraska was statewide.

The R2000 poll was 36-61 favorable for Obama, but he got 42% on election day.

Obama won NE-02 just slightly and approval ratings are generally lower than favorables, so I doubt Obama is in positive territory considering these statewide numbers.
You forgot about the Age Wave. Obama will get back everything he has lost so far, including Missouri and Montana, because of the Age Wave.
I hope that's sarcasm?
Even in 2012, the recession will still be Bush's fault, and the new voters will realize that, therefore, at least 60% of them will automatically vote for Obama. It's a given fact...;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on September 01, 2009, 04:04:23 PM
Obama better get  back to the economy right away after this health care thing gets resolved one way or another.

His biggest problem is that the obsession with health care reform is making him seem out of touch, since 80% of the people are worried about the economy and the deficit, not health care. I do agree we need reform, and I hope he can get it done (with a public option), but then he has to turn his attention back to the economy and in a big way.
The good news is that the economy seems to be recovering quite well at the moment. It could be spun that way pretty easily by Obama.
The economy is in deep sh*t. Whether it recovers or not from here on out is an open question. When you get days like you did today when the financial sector loses 4% completely out of the blue, it just goes to show how unstable things still are.

Just as bad, Obama doesn't seem to have any political instincts on this issue. His economic team are widely seen as cronies. He hasn't clearly explained the bailouts and spending. He hasn't responded to any of the crap out there criticizing his policies at all. He hasn't framed the issue in the right way. He is completely AWOL.
I disagree, the economy seems to be starting to recover. The Manufacturing Indexes have been up, consumer spending has been up etc. Sure it isn't doing great and there are huge structural problems, like the continuing bank failures and the continuation of the foreclosure mess but the fact that the GDP only decreased by 1% in the second quarter of 2009 shows that the recession should be officially over once the third quarter GDP numbers are released.

Oh I agree but I think he still has the ability to do so. Hopefully failures on health care will teach him to show more leadership.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Beet on September 01, 2009, 04:09:48 PM
Obama better get  back to the economy right away after this health care thing gets resolved one way or another.

His biggest problem is that the obsession with health care reform is making him seem out of touch, since 80% of the people are worried about the economy and the deficit, not health care. I do agree we need reform, and I hope he can get it done (with a public option), but then he has to turn his attention back to the economy and in a big way.
The good news is that the economy seems to be recovering quite well at the moment. It could be spun that way pretty easily by Obama.
The economy is in deep sh*t. Whether it recovers or not from here on out is an open question. When you get days like you did today when the financial sector loses 4% completely out of the blue, it just goes to show how unstable things still are.

Just as bad, Obama doesn't seem to have any political instincts on this issue. His economic team are widely seen as cronies. He hasn't clearly explained the bailouts and spending. He hasn't responded to any of the crap out there criticizing his policies at all. He hasn't framed the issue in the right way. He is completely AWOL.
I disagree, the economy seems to be starting to recover. The Manufacturing Indexes have been up, consumer spending has been up etc. Sure it isn't doing great and there are huge structural problems, like the continuing bank failures and the continuation of the foreclosure mess but the fact that the GDP only decreased by 1% in the second quarter of 2009 shows that the recession should be officially over once the third quarter GDP numbers are released.

Oh I agree but I think he still has the ability to do so. Hopefully failures on health care will teach him to show more leadership.

My concern is that he hasn't shown any 'ability' to do anything for a while now. When has Obama done something original? Taken a stand? Shocked the world? Taken bold, decisive action on a central issue? It seems like he did back in early 2008 but hasn't done so since.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on September 01, 2009, 04:12:09 PM
Obama better get  back to the economy right away after this health care thing gets resolved one way or another.

His biggest problem is that the obsession with health care reform is making him seem out of touch, since 80% of the people are worried about the economy and the deficit, not health care. I do agree we need reform, and I hope he can get it done (with a public option), but then he has to turn his attention back to the economy and in a big way.
The good news is that the economy seems to be recovering quite well at the moment. It could be spun that way pretty easily by Obama.
The economy is in deep sh*t. Whether it recovers or not from here on out is an open question. When you get days like you did today when the financial sector loses 4% completely out of the blue, it just goes to show how unstable things still are.

Just as bad, Obama doesn't seem to have any political instincts on this issue. His economic team are widely seen as cronies. He hasn't clearly explained the bailouts and spending. He hasn't responded to any of the crap out there criticizing his policies at all. He hasn't framed the issue in the right way. He is completely AWOL.
I disagree, the economy seems to be starting to recover. The Manufacturing Indexes have been up, consumer spending has been up etc. Sure it isn't doing great and there are huge structural problems, like the continuing bank failures and the continuation of the foreclosure mess but the fact that the GDP only decreased by 1% in the second quarter of 2009 shows that the recession should be officially over once the third quarter GDP numbers are released.

Oh I agree but I think he still has the ability to do so. Hopefully failures on health care will teach him to show more leadership.

My concern is that he hasn't shown any 'ability' to do anything for a while now. When has Obama done something original? Taken a stand? Shocked the world? Taken bold, decisive action on a central issue? It seems like he did back in early 2008 but hasn't done so since.
The answer is that he hasn't. It looked like he was about to in early 2009 with the bailouts but no real defense of the bailouts and spending was offered. All he has done is yield ground to the Right, when he should be fighting back hard.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Beet on September 01, 2009, 04:16:03 PM
It never looked like he was going to in early 2009, frankly. The bailouts are anything but bold and decisive; to the extent they were all the balls came from Hank Paulson. You may disagree with what he did but at least he did take charge there. Obama was just following the leader.

From the beginning his appointments of Rahm Emanuel and Tim Geithner indicated that Obama was going to follow the insider Washington way.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 01, 2009, 06:17:47 PM
CBS/NYT Hack Poll

Approve 56%
Disapprove 35%

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_health_care_090109.pdf?tag=contentMain;contentBody


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 01, 2009, 06:20:58 PM
CBS/NYT Hack Poll

Approve 56%
Disapprove 35%

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_health_care_090109.pdf?tag=contentMain;contentBody

Even i'll admit that that's hackish. DKos's favourables arent even that high. Is the crosstabs like 45-35-20 Dem-Ind-Rep or something stupid like that?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 01, 2009, 06:23:30 PM
CBS/NYT Hack Poll

Approve 56%
Disapprove 35%

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_health_care_090109.pdf?tag=contentMain;contentBody

Even i'll admit that that's hackish. DKos's favourables arent even that high. Is the crosstabs like 45-35-20 Dem-Ind-Rep or something stupid like that?

D 36
R 25
I 39


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 01, 2009, 06:27:17 PM
And now a message from the President of Joke Polls International (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-zogby/obama-losing-support-amon_b_274013.html)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ronnie on September 01, 2009, 06:49:57 PM
CBS/NYT Hack Poll

Approve 56%
Disapprove 35%

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_health_care_090109.pdf?tag=contentMain;contentBody

...Are they not ashamed?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on September 01, 2009, 07:07:26 PM
It's getting old seeing these inflated polls from the CBS/NBC types.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on September 01, 2009, 11:00:17 PM
NBC/WSJ is a good poll.  Don't confuse it with CBS/Zogby.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 02, 2009, 03:24:48 AM
NBC/WSJ is a good poll.  Don't confuse it with CBS/Zogby.

Zogby = JOKE!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on September 02, 2009, 06:22:15 AM
CBS/NYT Hack Poll

Approve 56%
Disapprove 35%

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_health_care_090109.pdf?tag=contentMain;contentBody
Unless my tired eyes are playing tricks on me, the chart had Obama's approval and disapproval within a couple of tenths of crossing. Then along came CBS and CNN. What a fortunate coincedence.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: SenatorShadowLands on September 02, 2009, 06:53:22 AM
At least Zogby can follow a trend, CBS just seems to be like "Hey everything's wonderful, Obama hasn't moved in months, everyone loves him, and there's just a small number of crazy people who could possibly oppose his catastrophic policies."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on September 02, 2009, 07:01:27 AM
At least Zogby can follow a trend, CBS just seems to be like "Hey everything's wonderful, Obama hasn't moved in months, everyone loves him, and there's just a small number of crazy people who could possibly oppose his catastrophic policies."
Exactly and CBS samples are sh**t. They are according no importance to the US demography.
Well it's good to see that according to CBS Obama's approval in NY is from 56 pc!! :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 02, 2009, 09:07:58 AM
Here's my best guess on where his approvals stand, based on current polling/common sense:

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Blue is <50%
Red is >50%
Green approximately 50%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 02, 2009, 11:50:35 AM
Pew

Approve 52%
Disapprove 37%

http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/539.pdf

Ipsos

Approve 56%
Disapprove 40%

http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/client/act_dsp_pdf.cfm?name=mr090902-1tb1.pdf&id=4506



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 02, 2009, 12:19:32 PM
CBS/NYT Hack Poll

Approve 56%
Disapprove 35%

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_health_care_090109.pdf?tag=contentMain;contentBody
Unless my tired eyes are playing tricks on me, the chart had Obama's approval and disapproval within a couple of tenths of crossing. Then along came CBS and CNN. What a fortunate coincedence.

On Pollster, it did cross yesterday.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 02, 2009, 12:26:10 PM
Approvals for Sec. Hillary and Joe

Hillary Clinton: 51 / 31
Joe Biden: 33 / 38

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/pubs/Harris_Poll_2009_09_02.pdf (http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/pubs/Harris_Poll_2009_09_02.pdf)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: marvelrobbins on September 02, 2009, 12:27:15 PM
Gallup

Approval 54% +2

Disapprove 40% -2


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on September 02, 2009, 12:48:37 PM
Here's my best guess on where his approvals stand, based on current polling/common sense:

(
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Blue is <50%
Red is >50%
Green approximately 50%
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Lower in Arizona, higher in Colorado. Otherwise, looks good.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 02, 2009, 01:10:18 PM
Virginia(Public Policy Polling)

Approve 47%
Disapprove 49%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_VA_902.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on September 02, 2009, 01:20:15 PM
Pew

Approve 52%
Disapprove 37%

http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/539.pdf

Ipsos

Approve 56%
Disapprove 40%

http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/client/act_dsp_pdf.cfm?name=mr090902-1tb1.pdf&id=4506



Party id for ipsos:

Dem: 47 %
Rep: 38 %
I: 15 %

No comment...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on September 02, 2009, 01:40:38 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2009/republican_voters_say_gop_reps_in_congress_still_out_of_touch

Is anyone more horrified by this? The current makeup of Republicans are too LIBERAL? What on earth have they done that was liberal?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on September 02, 2009, 01:44:05 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2009/republican_voters_say_gop_reps_in_congress_still_out_of_touch

Is anyone more horrified by this? The current makeup of Republicans are too LIBERAL? What on earth have they done that was liberal?
The GOP base has gone off the deep end.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 02, 2009, 01:49:15 PM
Here's how things probably were when Obama was at the nadir of his recent polling:

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on the way to a catastrophic defeat before even Sarah Palin (???), with America destined again to be committed to Jesus Christ and pure plutocracy as its only available saviors from... whatever.  Enjoy it, right-wingers; you might enjoy this snapshot:

Obama                             220

Indeterminable                  31

God's Appointed Leader  287


You may need to visit an art gallery or a national park to see something more beautiful, according to your tastes. Mercifully the Hard Right won't get a chance to sell Yellowstone and Yosemite away to clear-cutting loggers.

Recent nationwide polls over 50% approval  suggest that we will start to see things more like this:

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Note the change in Virginia.

Remember: a few states have yet to be polled, and rules are rules with statewide polling.

Here's how I think America will look with a 52-47 split:

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Much like 2008!



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on September 02, 2009, 01:50:01 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2009/republican_voters_say_gop_reps_in_congress_still_out_of_touch

Is anyone more horrified by this? The current makeup of Republicans are too LIBERAL? What on earth have they done that was liberal?
The GOP base has gone off the deep end.

The Independents believe it, too though.  Perhaps there was some confusion between being liberal and being completely ineffective and hypocritical.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 02, 2009, 01:50:34 PM
Virginia (Rasmussen):

50% Approve
49% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Virginia was conducted by Rasmussen Reports September 1, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2009/virginia/toplines/toplines_virginia_governor_election_september_1_2009

Virginia is now 5% better than the national average ? ::)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on September 02, 2009, 01:50:51 PM

Uh, duh...it's only 2009.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on September 02, 2009, 01:53:09 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2009/republican_voters_say_gop_reps_in_congress_still_out_of_touch

Is anyone more horrified by this? The current makeup of Republicans are too LIBERAL? What on earth have they done that was liberal?
The GOP base has gone off the deep end.

The Independents believe it, too though.  Perhaps there was some confusion between being liberal and being completely ineffective and hypocritical.
Yeah liberal still has an extremely negative connotation.

Anyways though all of this Republican radicalism(the bad kind of radical Republicans) is creeping me out. It could be a good thing in 2010 for the Democrats because it will probably lead to more terrible nutjob candidates being nominated in competitive districts but it could also be a terrible thing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 02, 2009, 01:54:22 PM

Here's how I think America will look with a 52-47 split:

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Make Indiana slightly republican and I agree, although i'm assuming that Deleware is a mistake.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 02, 2009, 01:55:24 PM
Virginia (Rasmussen):

50% Approve
49% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Virginia was conducted by Rasmussen Reports September 1, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2009/virginia/toplines/toplines_virginia_governor_election_september_1_2009

Virginia is now 5% better than the national average ? ::)

That's 'cos Scott Rasmussen is clearly a hack for Obama and the rest of the Democratic Party.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 02, 2009, 01:59:15 PM
What I also don't get is why Obama is now having the best approvals in VA among Likely voters (50%, Rasmussen), followed by PPP and the worst among Adults (42%, SurveyUSA) ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 02, 2009, 02:12:38 PM

1996 was much like 1992.

2004 was much like 2000.

Political cultures of the states aren't likely to change much over the next three years.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on September 02, 2009, 02:17:54 PM
Yeah, and 2000 was nothing like 1996 and 1992 was nothing like 1988.  Things always change, you CANNOT predict this far out what the map will look like in one let alone three years.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 02, 2009, 02:25:21 PM
Democratic party ID advantage down 12 points since January and is now D+5.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/122693/Democratic-Advantage-Party-Affiliation-Shrinks.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on September 02, 2009, 03:14:02 PM
The question I have is, will Democrats ever want control of the White House again after this?  They get into power and then everything falls apart for them.  They should probably just let Obama sink in 2012 and then use the time to rebuild. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 02, 2009, 03:36:13 PM

Here's how I think America will look with a 52-47 split:

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Make Indiana slightly republican and I agree, although i'm assuming that Deleware is a mistake.

Much like 2008!



Delaware is indeed an oversight. Indiana? Obama maxed out in Indiana in 2008 (think of Reagan in Massachusetts in 1980 and 1984), but he's still got the campaign machine, and enough of Indiana is in the Illinois media market.

In any event, Arizona, Indiana, Missouri, and North Carolina are the states most likely to flip.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 02, 2009, 03:38:07 PM
The question I have is, will Democrats ever want control of the White House again after this?  They get into power and then everything falls apart for them.  They should probably just let Obama sink in 2012 and then use the time to rebuild. 

LOL, they're not Republicans 9 months ago.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 02, 2009, 03:55:36 PM
WV: Approval Ratings (MBE 8/27-30)

Mark Blankenship Enterprises
8/27-30/09; 400 registered voters, 4.9% margin of error
Mode: Live telephone interviews

West Virginia

Job Approval / Disapproval
Pres. Obama: 45 / 51
Sen. Byrd: 69 / 29
Sen. Rockefeller: 65 / 32
Gov. Manchin: 78 / 19

http://www.markblankenship.com/web/news/Day%201%20Voter%20Survey%20Release%20Final.pdf (http://www.markblankenship.com/web/news/Day%201%20Voter%20Survey%20Release%20Final.pdf)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on September 02, 2009, 04:08:39 PM
So, if I get this right, about 50-55% disapprove of Obama, and the Democrats or Obama are all politically dead and the Democrats won't ever win elections again?

k sure.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 02, 2009, 04:33:22 PM
So, if I get this right, about 50-55% disapprove of Obama, and the Democrats or Obama are all politically dead and the Democrats won't ever win elections again?

k sure.

IT'S TRUE! Glenn Beck had a story about it on his show.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 02, 2009, 05:17:59 PM
Pew

Approve 52%
Disapprove 37%

http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/539.pdf

Ipsos

Approve 56%
Disapprove 40%

http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/client/act_dsp_pdf.cfm?name=mr090902-1tb1.pdf&id=4506



Wow, nice polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 02, 2009, 05:28:54 PM
Pew

Approve 52%
Disapprove 37%

http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/539.pdf

Ipsos

Approve 56%
Disapprove 40%

http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/client/act_dsp_pdf.cfm?name=mr090902-1tb1.pdf&id=4506



Wow, nice polls.

Yeah, but they're hack polls. They still have higher approvals than disapproval so therefore, they're bias towards liberals and communists who hate America...

(...But yeah, i'm liking them polls, they even out Rasmussen's I guess.)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on September 02, 2009, 05:58:53 PM
The question I have is, will Democrats ever want control of the White House again after this?  They get into power and then everything falls apart for them.  They should probably just let Obama sink in 2012 and then use the time to rebuild.  

It's but seven months into the Obama presidency. And this president needs to take control of his agenda. Isn't it the job of the president to propose and Congress to dispose? Right now congressional Democrats are proposing and disposing. The party is in grave danger of cannibalizing itself (not that's anything new)

This president was elected, in part, because many voters felt he could transcend the ideological chasm and be something of a consensus-building pragmatist. I accept that "bipartisanship" ain't easy given the recalcitrantly dogmatoid nature of the Republican Party

The ideological 'coalition' which elected Barack Obama was Liberal 19.58%; Moderate 26.40% and Conservative 6.80% (52.78%) And it was support from sufficient enough conservatives in several states that made the difference between a win and a loss. Wouldn't it be more wise to maintain that 'coalition' and expand on it? The president is clearly struggling, approval wise, among Independents, which he carried 52-44

The President needs to leading the Democratic Party - and that means bringing together its disparate congressional factions, so that they can work through their differences and reach a consensus. Maybe, maybe, healthcare reform wouldn't have fallen into such disarray. That only helps the opposition. If there is one thing the Democratic Party is good at, it's scoring own goals ::). As for taking on 'special interests' and changing how Washington works, that is going to mean taking on some Democratic special interests

If there is one thing that stands in the way of progress - it's the full loaf or no loaf absolutist stance. Why do you think it has been difficult to achieve wider healthcare reform in the past?

There is too much to be done for Congress to be fiddling around like latter day Nero's. And any legislation has to, just has to, deliver on its objectives. Right now, the stimulus is perceived of, at best, as having fallen short of its goals - and there again more proposing and disposing from Congress. If the economy was back on track, healthcare and energy reform would be an easier sell

The thing is much of what Obama wants to accomplish seems big on the long-term ("investment") but small in the short-term. Obama's "investment" strategy makes sense to some, but it may not to others


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: SenatorShadowLands on September 02, 2009, 06:29:22 PM
What is this Arizona is very likely to flip farce? I know the favorite son effect blah blah blah occurred in 08 but does anyone remember AZ has voted GOP in every election (excluding 96) since 1952, both Senators are Republicans (Kyl being one of the MOST conservative in the Senate and McCain is moving sharply to the right as well) and the GOP controls the Governor's Mansion and BOTH houses of the State Legislature and have controlled all those marbles for some time. Arizona is bright red despite Clinton being able to take it once in a 3 way race.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smash255 on September 02, 2009, 06:40:31 PM
What is this Arizona is very likely to flip farce? I know the favorite son effect blah blah blah occurred in 08 but does anyone remember AZ has voted GOP in every election (excluding 96) since 1952, both Senators are Republicans (Kyl being one of the MOST conservative in the Senate and McCain is moving sharply to the right as well) and the GOP controls the Governor's Mansion and BOTH houses of the State Legislature and have controlled all those marbles for some time. Arizona is bright red despite Clinton being able to take it once in a 3 way race.

Jan Brewer was NOT elected to be Governor of Arizona.  She was elected to be Sec of State and took over the Governor's mansion when Democrat Janet Naplitano (who was first elected in the strong GOP year of 2002) resigned to take the Sec of  Homeland Security position within the Obama admin.

I'm not suggesting Arizona will flip, though no more home state advantage + continued GOP problems with the growing Hispanic vote could make it much more competitive than it was.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: SenatorShadowLands on September 02, 2009, 06:55:51 PM
What is this Arizona is very likely to flip farce? I know the favorite son effect blah blah blah occurred in 08 but does anyone remember AZ has voted GOP in every election (excluding 96) since 1952, both Senators are Republicans (Kyl being one of the MOST conservative in the Senate and McCain is moving sharply to the right as well) and the GOP controls the Governor's Mansion and BOTH houses of the State Legislature and have controlled all those marbles for some time. Arizona is bright red despite Clinton being able to take it once in a 3 way race.

Jan Brewer was NOT elected to be Governor of Arizona.  She was elected to be Sec of State and took over the Governor's mansion when Democrat Janet Naplitano (who was first elected in the strong GOP year of 2002) resigned to take the Sec of  Homeland Security position within the Obama admin.

I'm not suggesting Arizona will flip, though no more home state advantage + continued GOP problems with the growing Hispanic vote could make it much more competitive than it was.

And within 10 years the GOP will be relegated to 5 white men and the huge mass of minorities and "age wave" voters will ensure that a Liberal Democrat at last wins the final GOP House seat in Utah wiping out the GOP forever. Yawn. And I didn't seriously think I'd have to reitirate the fact that Brewer hasn't been elected Governor yet but is the pack of nobodies the Dems are putting up against her very likely to defeat her or whoever the GOP nominates?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 02, 2009, 08:02:09 PM
Well, with his approvals only slightly above 50%, I guess it's time Obama resign and allow Mitt Romney to become President. You win this round, Republicans!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dan the Roman on September 02, 2009, 08:27:18 PM
What is this Arizona is very likely to flip farce? I know the favorite son effect blah blah blah occurred in 08 but does anyone remember AZ has voted GOP in every election (excluding 96) since 1952, both Senators are Republicans (Kyl being one of the MOST conservative in the Senate and McCain is moving sharply to the right as well) and the GOP controls the Governor's Mansion and BOTH houses of the State Legislature and have controlled all those marbles for some time. Arizona is bright red despite Clinton being able to take it once in a 3 way race.

Jan Brewer was NOT elected to be Governor of Arizona.  She was elected to be Sec of State and took over the Governor's mansion when Democrat Janet Naplitano (who was first elected in the strong GOP year of 2002) resigned to take the Sec of  Homeland Security position within the Obama admin.

I'm not suggesting Arizona will flip, though no more home state advantage + continued GOP problems with the growing Hispanic vote could make it much more competitive than it was.

And within 10 years the GOP will be relegated to 5 white men and the huge mass of minorities and "age wave" voters will ensure that a Liberal Democrat at last wins the final GOP House seat in Utah wiping out the GOP forever. Yawn. And I didn't seriously think I'd have to reitirate the fact that Brewer hasn't been elected Governor yet but is the pack of nobodies the Dems are putting up against her very likely to defeat her or whoever the GOP nominates?

Any name picked randomly from the phonebook would probably beat Brewer. Luckily for the GOP, that is true of the primary as well as the general. She is unlikely to be the Republican nominee.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on September 02, 2009, 08:42:28 PM
(Kyl being one of the MOST conservative in the Senate and McCain is moving sharply to the right as well)

John McCain does whatever best serves John McCain


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on September 02, 2009, 08:46:16 PM
Democratic party ID advantage down 12 points since January and is now D+5.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/122693/Democratic-Advantage-Party-Affiliation-Shrinks.aspx

Maybe Republicans are coming home now that George W Bush is out of the way. I miss Bush

Seemingly the moderate conservative Democrat that was Carl Hayden is a new recruit. He's sporting a big blue R-AZ avatar. Wonder if he's mounting a primary challenge to McVain


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 02, 2009, 09:30:38 PM

What is this Arizona is very likely to flip farce? I know the favorite son effect blah blah blah occurred in 08 but does anyone remember AZ has voted GOP in every election (excluding 96) since 1952, both Senators are Republicans (Kyl being one of the MOST conservative in the Senate and McCain is moving sharply to the right as well) and the GOP controls the Governor's Mansion and BOTH houses of the State Legislature and have controlled all those marbles for some time. Arizona is bright red despite Clinton being able to take it once in a 3 way race.

Arkansas has two Democratic Senators, and Obama lost it by 20 points. Go figure. Obama could easily lose Arkansas by 30 points in 2012 if Mike Huckabee is the GOP nominee.

If I were to tell you that I believed that John Thune would probably win South Dakota by about a 20% margin in in 2012 as the GOP Presidential nominee or that the GOP would do 5% with him as VP nominee instead of someone else, would you consider that preposterous?

It's not farce. John McCain won the state by 8.5%. A favorite son typically has about a 10% advantage in a state over a non-Favorite Son.  If the GOP had run someone else, then the state would have been a legitimate battleground state. A politician respected within his own state has an obvious advantage over someone from outside. That politician already has a campaign network in place that he can easily turn to winning that State's electoral votes and has a well-known record, and local media know the candidate very well. Station managers are tempted to tout the Favorite Son in news stories.

Take a good look at Texas. Obama had no real chance to win Texas ... little more than did John Kerry. George W. Bush absolutely crushed Kerry in Texas (61-38) in roughly a 50-50 election; McCain beat Obama in Texas roughly 55-44. That is a swing of twelve points; that is huge. McCain did well in Texas, but not as well as someone who has real connections to the state. A twelve-point swing in Arizona even in a 50-50 election  makes Arizona a 50-50 state.

The effect is so strong that it works even for losers. In 1972, Senator George McGovern's home state South Dakota gave him 45% of the vote. Sure, he lost South Dakota and 47 other states... but he did better in South Dakota than in some states that were more decidedly liberal in their politics -- including Iowa, Wisconsin,  Michigan, Pennsylvania, New York, Connecticut, and Rhode Island. McGovern was well respected in South Dakota as a war hero and on farm issues... and he was absolutely crushed in North Dakota (36%) and Nebraska (29%) that year. Do you think either North Dakota or Nebraska greatly different from South Dakota?

In a close election? Look at 1976. Gerald Ford, who had never gone beyond the House of Representatives, won Michigan 52-47 while losing Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and New York -- states generally understood to be politically similar to Michigan -- to Jimmy Carter, someone not from the Northeastern quadrant of the United States.  

(OK, Obama actually did better in 2008 in Massachusetts than did John Kerry did in 2004... which may say much about John Kerry and Barack Obama. But that's rare).  

I can make a concession on Arizona: if Senator John Kyl is the GOP nominee for President, then he will win Arizona. VP nominee? He could swing the state in a close election.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 02, 2009, 11:58:23 PM
WV: Approval Ratings (MBE 8/27-30)

Mark Blankenship Enterprises
8/27-30/09; 400 registered voters, 4.9% margin of error
Mode: Live telephone interviews

West Virginia

Job Approval / Disapproval
Pres. Obama: 45 / 51
Sen. Byrd: 69 / 29
Sen. Rockefeller: 65 / 32
Gov. Manchin: 78 / 19

http://www.markblankenship.com/web/news/Day%201%20Voter%20Survey%20Release%20Final.pdf (http://www.markblankenship.com/web/news/Day%201%20Voter%20Survey%20Release%20Final.pdf)

Page 149 ;)

Anyway, "good" numbers for West Virginia.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 03, 2009, 12:09:51 AM
Pennsylvania (Franklin & Marshall College):

47% Excellent/Good
53% Fair/Poor

Most people — 55 percent — have a favorable view of Obama, about the same as in February, shortly after his inauguration.

The poll of 643 adults, conducted from Aug. 25-31, has a margin of error of plus-or-minus 3.9 percentage points.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/pittsburgh/s_641271.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: SenatorShadowLands on September 03, 2009, 07:31:02 AM
Quote foulup here, sorry about that. This reply is for pbrower.

Arkansas has two Democratic Senators, and Obama lost it by 20 points. Go figure. Obama could easily lose Arkansas by 30 points in 2012 if Mike Huckabee is the GOP nominee.

If I were to tell you that I believed that John Thune would probably win South Dakota by about a 20% margin in in 2012 as the GOP Presidential nominee or that the GOP would do 5% with him as VP nominee instead of someone else, would you consider that preposterous?

It's not farce. John McCain won the state by 8.5%. A favorite son typically has about a 10% advantage in a state over a non-Favorite Son.  If the GOP had run someone else, then the state would have been a legitimate battleground state. A politician respected within his own state has an obvious advantage over someone from outside. That politician already has a campaign network in place that he can easily turn to winning that State's electoral votes and has a well-known record, and local media know the candidate very well. Station managers are tempted to tout the Favorite Son in news stories.

Take a good look at Texas. Obama had no real chance to win Texas ... little more than did John Kerry. George W. Bush absolutely crushed Kerry in Texas (61-38) in roughly a 50-50 election; McCain beat Obama in Texas roughly 55-44. That is a swing of twelve points; that is huge. McCain did well in Texas, but not as well as someone who has real connections to the state. A twelve-point swing in Arizona even in a 50-50 election  makes Arizona a 50-50 state.

The effect is so strong that it works even for losers. In 1972, Senator George McGovern's home state South Dakota gave him 45% of the vote. Sure, he lost South Dakota and 47 other states... but he did better in South Dakota than in some states that were more decidedly liberal in their politics -- including Iowa, Wisconsin,  Michigan, Pennsylvania, New York, Connecticut, and Rhode Island. McGovern was well respected in South Dakota as a war hero and on farm issues... and he was absolutely crushed in North Dakota (36%) and Nebraska (29%) that year. Do you think either North Dakota or Nebraska greatly different from South Dakota?

In a close election? Look at 1976. Gerald Ford, who had never gone beyond the House of Representatives, won Michigan 52-47 while losing Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and New York -- states generally understood to be politically similar to Michigan -- to Jimmy Carter, someone not from the Northeastern quadrant of the United States.  

(OK, Obama actually did better in 2008 in Massachusetts than did John Kerry did in 2004... which may say much about John Kerry and Barack Obama. But that's rare).  

I can make a concession on Arizona: if Senator John Kyl is the GOP nominee for President, then he will win Arizona. VP nominee? He could swing the state in a close election.


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Arkansas has a nasty habit of voting Democrat at the state level "cuz my daddy did and his daddy did etc etc etc" it has nothing to do with pure ideology.

Arizona's voters have demonstrated a loyalty to the GOP at all levels of the government consistently. The 2008 vote is muddied by the fact that so many areas broke with the GOP that normally vote for it. Ignoring the way people voted in one cycle and then running in and saying there is a massive "favorite son" effect and next time the state will flip after 50 years for absolutely no reason is absurd.

I'm not denying there IS a favorite son factor but having it be absent doesn't mean a 50 year or 20 or 30 or whatever voting streak will change.

Obama won Virginia and North Carolina and Iowa and Indiana despite being a liberal Northern Democrat what does that have to do with Gerald Ford winning Michigan while Carter managed to win other states that weren't part of his background?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 03, 2009, 11:07:27 AM
Today's Rasmussen has Obama at 47/53


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on September 03, 2009, 12:05:12 PM
Gallup:

Approve - 55%
Disapprove - 39%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 03, 2009, 12:23:41 PM

Cool.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 03, 2009, 02:41:33 PM

Arizona's voters have demonstrated a loyalty to the GOP at all levels of the government consistently. The 2008 vote is muddied by the fact that so many areas broke with the GOP that normally vote for it. Ignoring the way people voted in one cycle and then running in and saying there is a massive "favorite son" effect and next time the state will flip after 50 years for absolutely no reason is absurd.

I'm not denying there IS a favorite son factor but having it be absent doesn't mean a 50 year or 20 or 30 or whatever voting streak will change.

John McCain did less well in Arizona than one would expect in a state voting so firmly Republican and thus having a GOP political culture. Arizona is most similar in its demographics to Nevada and Colorado.  The 2008 vote suggests that economic conditions and demographic change have eroded the certainty of Republican wins in subsequent years.  The Favorite Son effect masked the obvious fact that Arizona has been drifting D. Without a Favorite Son (and I doubt that John Kyl will be running for President) , Arizona willl be a legitimate battleground for the 2012 election.

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Obama won Virginia and North Carolina and Iowa and Indiana despite being a liberal Northern Democrat what does that have to do with Gerald Ford winning Michigan while Carter managed to win other states that weren't part of his background?


I don't live in  Virginia or North Carolina, so I can't fully explain their politics except to say that they have gone from being more rural than the national average to being more urban. It's arguable that Virginia has become a Northern state in its politics. North Carolina? Lots of Northerners  have brought their voting patterns with them. One joke about one North Carolina suburb is that Cary stands for Containment Area for Relocated Yankees.

Indiana? I live in southwestern Michigan, so I get to know a little about Indiana politics. In 2008 the state acted as if it had a Favorite Son -- Obama. The Favorite Son effect may be more relevant to news media than to campaign efforts. Much of Indiana media feed from or into Illinois, where Obama was a Senator.  Because of the state's off transportation network (despite its size, Indianapolis is not a great airline hub, and most air traffic in Indiana goes through Chicago), the state is ordinarily difficult to set up a campaign apparatus in from outside -- unless the other state is Illinois. About 90% of all air travel to or from Indiana goes through O'Hare International Airport, with a little going through Detroit and Cincinnati. The economy was messed up due at first to high energy prices (which hit the RV industry hard); those energy prices abated just as the financial  meltdown hit (people could better afford to drive RVs, but they couldn't get financing so easily). Ouch! Obama actually campaigned in Indiana, which Democrats from outside the area don't ordinarily do in a contested election.

Hillary Clinton would definitely have lost Indiana. JFK lost the state by 11 points in one of the closest elections ever, and neither Gore nor Kerry could get close.  It's hard to campaign in Indiana  from Massachusetts (JFK, Kerry), Tennessee (Gore), Georgia (Carter),  Arkansas (Clinton), or even Minnesota (HHH). Adlai Stevenson was from Illinois, but he couldn't win anything in the North. Hillary Clinton would have had a hard time campaigning in Indiana from New York. Oddly, Obama turned the table on McCain, exposing the difficulty of having to campaign in Indiana from a long distance.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 03, 2009, 02:56:03 PM
Nevada(Kos)

Favorable 48%
Unfavorable 41%

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/9/2/NV/357


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on September 03, 2009, 03:30:02 PM

Obviously time to resign.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 03, 2009, 04:04:41 PM

I agree. Republicans are gonna gain 150 seats in the house and 20 seats in the senate otherwise and Sarah Palin's gonna be the next prez. 53% of Americans disapprove of Obama... stick a fork in the white house, this administration is done.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 03, 2009, 06:18:05 PM
Nevada(Kos)

Favorable 48%
Unfavorable 41%

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/9/2/NV/357

 Obama up 7% in Nevada? The GOP could still win without Nevada, but it would be difficult.

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Harry Reid is in trouble politically:

Harry Reid
                    FAV    UNFAV    NO OPINION
ALL                       36   52   12
MEN                       33   56   11
WOMEN               39   48   13
DEMOCRATS       58   32   10
REPUBLICANS       15   73   12
INDEPENDENTS    28   57   15
18-29               36   51   13
30-44               37   51   12
45-59               36   53   11
60+                       35   53   12

The Age Wave that helped Obama in 2008 isn't helping Senator Reed (D-NV)

At least he's not in the same trouble as his fellow Nevada Senator:


  John Ensign
                            FAV    UNFAV    NO OPINION
ALL                           28   53            19
MEN                           31   49            20
WOMEN                   25   57            18
DEMOCRATS           11   75            14
REPUBLICANS           49   26            25
INDEPENDENTS   26   57            17
18-29                   22   58            20
30-44                   26   55            19
45-59                   31   51            18
60+                           33   48            19

Need I spell it out: T-I-M-E   T-O   R-E-S-I-G-N







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 03, 2009, 06:20:03 PM
Nevada(Kos)

Favorable 48%
Unfavorable 41%

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/9/2/NV/357

That's NEVADA, not Nebraska. If Obama were up 48-41 in Nebraska, it would be time for the Republican to think of re-establishing a political career that does not contain 1600 Pennsylvania. Obama up 7% in Nevada? The GOP could still win without Nevada, but it would be difficult.

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Harry Reid is in trouble politically:

    FAV     UNFAV     NO OPINION
ALL   36    52             12

He needs a good card to stay in the game. At least it's an outside straight.



... but John Ensign is in political quicksand:

  John Ensign
                            FAV    UNFAV    NO OPINION
ALL                           28   53            19
MEN                           31   49            20
WOMEN                   25   57            18
DEMOCRATS           11   75            14
REPUBLICANS           49   26            25
INDEPENDENTS   26   57            17
18-29                   22   58            20
30-44                   26   55            19
45-59                   31   51            18
60+                           33   48            19

Need I spell it out: T-I-M-E   T-O   R-E-S-I-G-N





Time to run for re-election giving the Dems a free pickup. ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 03, 2009, 06:22:53 PM
You seem to be forgetting that Obama won NV by 13 points. Also, this is favorables, not approval which would be lower. And plus, it's a Kos poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: SenatorShadowLands on September 03, 2009, 06:57:10 PM

Arizona's voters have demonstrated a loyalty to the GOP at all levels of the government consistently. The 2008 vote is muddied by the fact that so many areas broke with the GOP that normally vote for it. Ignoring the way people voted in one cycle and then running in and saying there is a massive "favorite son" effect and next time the state will flip after 50 years for absolutely no reason is absurd.

I'm not denying there IS a favorite son factor but having it be absent doesn't mean a 50 year or 20 or 30 or whatever voting streak will change.

John McCain did less well in Arizona than one would expect in a state voting so firmly Republican and thus having a GOP political culture. Arizona is most similar in its demographics to Nevada and Colorado.  The 2008 vote suggests that economic conditions and demographic change have eroded the certainty of Republican wins in subsequent years.  The Favorite Son effect masked the obvious fact that Arizona has been drifting D. Without a Favorite Son (and I doubt that John Kyl will be running for President) , Arizona willl be a legitimate battleground for the 2012 election.

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Obama won Virginia and North Carolina and Iowa and Indiana despite being a liberal Northern Democrat what does that have to do with Gerald Ford winning Michigan while Carter managed to win other states that weren't part of his background?


I don't live in  Virginia or North Carolina, so I can't fully explain their politics except to say that they have gone from being more rural than the national average to being more urban. It's arguable that Virginia has become a Northern state in its politics. North Carolina? Lots of Northerners  have brought their voting patterns with them. One joke about one North Carolina suburb is that Cary stands for Containment Area for Relocated Yankees.

Indiana? I live in southwestern Michigan, so I get to know a little about Indiana politics. In 2008 the state acted as if it had a Favorite Son -- Obama. The Favorite Son effect may be more relevant to news media than to campaign efforts. Much of Indiana media feed from or into Illinois, where Obama was a Senator.  Because of the state's off transportation network (despite its size, Indianapolis is not a great airline hub, and most air traffic in Indiana goes through Chicago), the state is ordinarily difficult to set up a campaign apparatus in from outside -- unless the other state is Illinois. About 90% of all air travel to or from Indiana goes through O'Hare International Airport, with a little going through Detroit and Cincinnati. The economy was messed up due at first to high energy prices (which hit the RV industry hard); those energy prices abated just as the financial  meltdown hit (people could better afford to drive RVs, but they couldn't get financing so easily). Ouch! Obama actually campaigned in Indiana, which Democrats from outside the area don't ordinarily do in a contested election.

Hillary Clinton would definitely have lost Indiana. JFK lost the state by 11 points in one of the closest elections ever, and neither Gore nor Kerry could get close.  It's hard to campaign in Indiana  from Massachusetts (JFK, Kerry), Tennessee (Gore), Georgia (Carter),  Arkansas (Clinton), or even Minnesota (HHH). Adlai Stevenson was from Illinois, but he couldn't win anything in the North. Hillary Clinton would have had a hard time campaigning in Indiana from New York. Oddly, Obama turned the table on McCain, exposing the difficulty of having to campaign in Indiana from a long distance.  


Bush won Arizona by 6 in 2000 and 11 in 2004. McCain won it by 8 in a crappy GOP year. 2000 was an average GOP year and Bush took it by 6, so  the favorite son effect helped the GOP in a bad year but its ludicrous to suggest Arizona will magically flip in 2012 when it didn't stay Dem in 2000.

What is with the massive Indiana speech? You threw in some random statement about Ford winning Michigan but losing states that were much like it to Carter and you tried to link that to Arizona.

Indiana isn't ANYTHING like Michigan or Illinois (even in Indianapolis) I dont know if you;ve ever been there but just because some of the airwaves broadcast over from Chicago doesn't by any stretch of the imagination make it like IL and MI. Regardless, you threw some random statement at me about Carter winning non-Carter friendly states well Obama won states that had non-Obama friendly backgrounds, big whoop. What does it have to do with Arizona???


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on September 03, 2009, 07:12:20 PM
You seem to be forgetting that Obama won NV by 13 points. Also, this is favorables, not approval which would be lower. And plus, it's a Kos poll.

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Correct.  "Favorability" is not "job approval".  One shouldn't treat them interchangeably.  And yes, Obama won NV by ~5 points more than he won by nationally, so the GOP could certainly win without it.  Heck, post-2010 reapportionment, the GOP can win by getting all the states that Bush won twice minus Nevada.  That currently adds up to 269 EV, but would be ~277 EV in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on September 03, 2009, 07:18:21 PM
You seem to be forgetting that Obama won NV by 13 points. Also, this is favorables, not approval which would be lower. And plus, it's a Kos poll.

^^^
Correct.  "Favorability" is not "job approval".  One shouldn't treat them interchangeably.  And yes, Obama won NV by ~5 points more than he won by nationally, so the GOP could certainly win without it.  Heck, post-2010 reapportionment, the GOP can win by getting all the states that Bush won twice minus Nevada.  That currently adds up to 269 274 EV, but would be ~277 EV in 2012.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: YankeeFan007 on September 03, 2009, 07:23:06 PM
You seem to be forgetting that Obama won NV by 13 points. Also, this is favorables, not approval which would be lower. And plus, it's a Kos poll.
His approval rating is 11.7 percent.  Its only 11.7 percent because Rasmussen is -7.   There is at least a 14 percent difference between Rasmussen and all other polls.  Also, Rasmussen is the only poll that is not releasing demographics. 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on September 03, 2009, 07:37:52 PM
The ironic thing is that if McCain or Biden was President, they wouldn't be as popular as Obama, but they wouldn't be as unpopular either. Obama's supporters are like "GOOOO OBAMA!!!!!!!!! CHANGE THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!! CHANGE AMERICA!!!!!!! KICK THOSE REPUBLICAN ASSES", and the anti-Obama people are like "OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST!!!!!!!!!!! HE'S A TRAITOR!!!!!!!!! LIBERAL PUSSY!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

In fact, there's a lot of people on Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, MySpace etc who have created accounts solely based on thier love or hatred of Obama.

Why is this? Well, it's because Obama as a glamour President, a different President, by most people. Politicians like McCain and Biden are seen as normal, and boring, by most people.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 03, 2009, 07:41:03 PM
The ironic thing is that if McCain or Biden was President, they wouldn't be as popular as Obama, but they wouldn't be as unpopular either. Obama's supporters are like "GOOOO OBAMA!!!!!!!!! CHANGE THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!! CHANGE AMERICA!!!!!!! KICK THOSE REPUBLICAN ASSES", and the anti-Obama people are like "OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST!!!!!!!!!!! HE'S A TRAITOR!!!!!!!!! LIBERAL PUSSY!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

In fact, there's a lot of people on Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, MySpace etc who have created accounts solely based on thier love or hatred of Obama.

Why is this? Well, it's because Obama as a glamour President, a different President, by most people. Politicians like McCain and Biden are seen as normal, and boring, by most people.

It's hard not to admit that Obama is polarizing and inspirational at the same time. If Palin was liked by independants, the same would be true of her if she ever became President some day.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 03, 2009, 08:20:38 PM

Bush won Arizona by 6 in 2000 and 11 in 2004. McCain won it by 8 in a crappy GOP year. 2000 was an average GOP year and Bush took it by 6, so  the favorite son effect helped the GOP in a bad year but its ludicrous to suggest Arizona will magically flip in 2012 when it didn't stay Dem in 2000.

What is with the massive Indiana speech? You threw in some random statement about Ford winning Michigan but losing states that were much like it to Carter and you tried to link that to Arizona.

Indiana isn't ANYTHING like Michigan or Illinois (even in Indianapolis) I dont know if you;ve ever been there but just because some of the airwaves broadcast over from Chicago doesn't by any stretch of the imagination make it like IL and MI. Regardless, you threw some random statement at me about Carter winning non-Carter friendly states well Obama won states that had non-Obama friendly backgrounds, big whoop. What does it have to do with Arizona???
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It's LOGISTICS and media penetration. Should Obama need Indiana in 2008, then he has an advantage in Indiana from the relative ease of reaching Indiana that nobody else can have. Obama's campaign headquarters are in Chicago, and his campaign can more easily get equipment into Indiana cities than will anyone else. You tell me: are there any direct flights between Little Rock and Indianapolis?

Indiana doesn't have to be as liberal as Illinois, Michigan, or Ohio to give Obama an advantage. Indeed, any Democrat would have to win three of the four surrounding states to have a chance at winning Indiana. Media penetration? Obama knows how to use media, and his staff knows Indiana media and Indiana media made his campaign in Indiana front-page news or the leading story.

The common wisdom before 2008 was that Indiana would never go to any Democratic nominee for President except in a 40-state blowout or with a Democratic nominee from Indiana. Such must now be modified: Indiana is nearly impossible for a Democratic nominee to win except  in a 45-state landslide or if the Democratic nominee is from a neighboring state (IL, MI, OH, KY), if not from Indiana itself, in a strong campaign. Wisconsin? Probably not.

Unless the GOP completely melts down, I'd give it about a 95% chance of winning Indiana in 2016.

If Indiana and Arizona have any connection in 2012 they could easily two states that change sides in 2012.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smash255 on September 04, 2009, 12:53:30 AM

Arizona's voters have demonstrated a loyalty to the GOP at all levels of the government consistently. The 2008 vote is muddied by the fact that so many areas broke with the GOP that normally vote for it. Ignoring the way people voted in one cycle and then running in and saying there is a massive "favorite son" effect and next time the state will flip after 50 years for absolutely no reason is absurd.

I'm not denying there IS a favorite son factor but having it be absent doesn't mean a 50 year or 20 or 30 or whatever voting streak will change.

John McCain did less well in Arizona than one would expect in a state voting so firmly Republican and thus having a GOP political culture. Arizona is most similar in its demographics to Nevada and Colorado.  The 2008 vote suggests that economic conditions and demographic change have eroded the certainty of Republican wins in subsequent years.  The Favorite Son effect masked the obvious fact that Arizona has been drifting D. Without a Favorite Son (and I doubt that John Kyl will be running for President) , Arizona willl be a legitimate battleground for the 2012 election.

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Obama won Virginia and North Carolina and Iowa and Indiana despite being a liberal Northern Democrat what does that have to do with Gerald Ford winning Michigan while Carter managed to win other states that weren't part of his background?


I don't live in  Virginia or North Carolina, so I can't fully explain their politics except to say that they have gone from being more rural than the national average to being more urban. It's arguable that Virginia has become a Northern state in its politics. North Carolina? Lots of Northerners  have brought their voting patterns with them. One joke about one North Carolina suburb is that Cary stands for Containment Area for Relocated Yankees.

Indiana? I live in southwestern Michigan, so I get to know a little about Indiana politics. In 2008 the state acted as if it had a Favorite Son -- Obama. The Favorite Son effect may be more relevant to news media than to campaign efforts. Much of Indiana media feed from or into Illinois, where Obama was a Senator.  Because of the state's off transportation network (despite its size, Indianapolis is not a great airline hub, and most air traffic in Indiana goes through Chicago), the state is ordinarily difficult to set up a campaign apparatus in from outside -- unless the other state is Illinois. About 90% of all air travel to or from Indiana goes through O'Hare International Airport, with a little going through Detroit and Cincinnati. The economy was messed up due at first to high energy prices (which hit the RV industry hard); those energy prices abated just as the financial  meltdown hit (people could better afford to drive RVs, but they couldn't get financing so easily). Ouch! Obama actually campaigned in Indiana, which Democrats from outside the area don't ordinarily do in a contested election.

Hillary Clinton would definitely have lost Indiana. JFK lost the state by 11 points in one of the closest elections ever, and neither Gore nor Kerry could get close.  It's hard to campaign in Indiana  from Massachusetts (JFK, Kerry), Tennessee (Gore), Georgia (Carter),  Arkansas (Clinton), or even Minnesota (HHH). Adlai Stevenson was from Illinois, but he couldn't win anything in the North. Hillary Clinton would have had a hard time campaigning in Indiana from New York. Oddly, Obama turned the table on McCain, exposing the difficulty of having to campaign in Indiana from a long distance.  


Bush won Arizona by 6 in 2000 and 11 in 2004. McCain won it by 8 in a crappy GOP year. 2000 was an average GOP year and Bush took it by 6, so  the favorite son effect helped the GOP in a bad year but its ludicrous to suggest Arizona will magically flip in 2012 when it didn't stay Dem in 2000.

What is with the massive Indiana speech? You threw in some random statement about Ford winning Michigan but losing states that were much like it to Carter and you tried to link that to Arizona.

Indiana isn't ANYTHING like Michigan or Illinois (even in Indianapolis) I dont know if you;ve ever been there but just because some of the airwaves broadcast over from Chicago doesn't by any stretch of the imagination make it like IL and MI. Regardless, you threw some random statement at me about Carter winning non-Carter friendly states well Obama won states that had non-Obama friendly backgrounds, big whoop. What does it have to do with Arizona???

Arizona I think is thrown into the mix if Obama wins by a somewhat similar margin nationally in 2012 than he did in 2008.   If you look at how Arizona compared to the national average in 2000 and 2004, it was in line with Obama's 08 margin.  6.79% more GOP in 2000, 8.01% more GOP in 04, Obama won nationally by 7.28% in 08. 

Granted that doesn't exactly mean Arizona will be in that range in 2012, but its not out of the question especially with the problems the GOP has with the Hispanic vote (which wasn't really seen last year in Arizona because of McCain, but will pretty much be seen with anyone else in 2012)

Its even possible that we can see Arizona trend a few points in the Dems direction compared to the national average with no more home state effect as the neighboring states all did (New Mexico, nevada & Colorado) and Obama could pull off Arizona with a national victory of 5-6 points, but I think that is unlikely.  My guess is he probably would need a slightly larger national victory than he had in 2008 to pull it off in 2012 (7.5-8%) and anything around 4 or 5% could make Arizona quite close.  With that being said if Obama wins Arizona or even if he makes it within a couple points there the election will already be over.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: SenatorShadowLands on September 04, 2009, 07:05:00 AM

Bush won Arizona by 6 in 2000 and 11 in 2004. McCain won it by 8 in a crappy GOP year. 2000 was an average GOP year and Bush took it by 6, so  the favorite son effect helped the GOP in a bad year but its ludicrous to suggest Arizona will magically flip in 2012 when it didn't stay Dem in 2000.

What is with the massive Indiana speech? You threw in some random statement about Ford winning Michigan but losing states that were much like it to Carter and you tried to link that to Arizona.

Indiana isn't ANYTHING like Michigan or Illinois (even in Indianapolis) I dont know if you;ve ever been there but just because some of the airwaves broadcast over from Chicago doesn't by any stretch of the imagination make it like IL and MI. Regardless, you threw some random statement at me about Carter winning non-Carter friendly states well Obama won states that had non-Obama friendly backgrounds, big whoop. What does it have to do with Arizona???

 

It's LOGISTICS and media penetration. Should Obama need Indiana in 2008, then he has an advantage in Indiana from the relative ease of reaching Indiana that nobody else can have. Obama's campaign headquarters are in Chicago, and his campaign can more easily get equipment into Indiana cities than will anyone else. You tell me: are there any direct flights between Little Rock and Indianapolis?

Indiana doesn't have to be as liberal as Illinois, Michigan, or Ohio to give Obama an advantage. Indeed, any Democrat would have to win three of the four surrounding states to have a chance at winning Indiana. Media penetration? Obama knows how to use media, and his staff knows Indiana media and Indiana media made his campaign in Indiana front-page news or the leading story.

The common wisdom before 2008 was that Indiana would never go to any Democratic nominee for President except in a 40-state blowout or with a Democratic nominee from Indiana. Such must now be modified: Indiana is nearly impossible for a Democratic nominee to win except  in a 45-state landslide or if the Democratic nominee is from a neighboring state (IL, MI, OH, KY), if not from Indiana itself, in a strong campaign. Wisconsin? Probably not.

Unless the GOP completely melts down, I'd give it about a 95% chance of winning Indiana in 2016.

If Indiana and Arizona have any connection in 2012 they could easily two states that change sides in 2012.


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If you throw enough time and effort into a state, especially when its starting to become competitive then yeah you're going to do well there. I've got no problem with saying that. I'm still trying to establish the connection between all of that and Arizona. If Obama spends a ton of time and money there does he have a shot? Yes, it's not Alabama but that's true  eveywhere else as well. If you make many appearnaces and spend a lot of money trying to win a state you have a better chance of doing so. That's common sense not some shocking political trend that will make Arizona vote Dem in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: SenatorShadowLands on September 04, 2009, 07:10:09 AM
Don't think anyone caught these yet:

FDU Public Mind New Jersey:
Approve: 56
Disapprove: 36

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/healthhelps/release.pdf

Chicago Tribune/ WGN Illinois Political Survey
Approve: 59
Disapprove: 33

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-obama-poll04sep04,0,2367412.story


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on September 04, 2009, 10:38:16 AM
"President Barack Obama will address a joint session of Congress on health care reform in prime time on Wednesday, Sept. 9, a senior official tells POLITICO.

Obama will receive House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid at the White House the day before for a previously scheduled sit-down.

The last time a president addressed a joint session of Congress that wasn’t a State of the Union, or the traditional first address by a new president, was Sept. 20, 2001, when President George W. Bush spoke on the war on terrorism following the 9/11 attacks."




This should mean a bump in Obama approval ratings, unless he messes up badly. Obama usually knocks these kind of speeches out of the park, so I'm hopeful.

For reference, when Bill Clinton gave his big health care speech in front of Congress in '93, his approval rating went up 10 points. Keep in mind that the bump Obama likely will receive won't last very long, but it would stop the fall in approval he's experiencing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on September 04, 2009, 12:24:12 PM
Gallup:

Approve - 55%
Disapprove - 38%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: marvelrobbins on September 04, 2009, 12:24:48 PM
Gallup

Approve 55%(No change)

Disapproval 38%(-1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on September 04, 2009, 12:40:06 PM
Pennsylvania (Franklin & Marshall College):

47% Excellent/Good
53% Fair/Poor

Most people — 55 percent — have a favorable view of Obama, about the same as in February, shortly after his inauguration.

The poll of 643 adults, conducted from Aug. 25-31, has a margin of error of plus-or-minus 3.9 percentage points.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/pittsburgh/s_641271.html

"Fair", of course, ain't necessarily negative. Fair means 'could be doing better'


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on September 04, 2009, 12:42:51 PM
"President Barack Obama will address a joint session of Congress on health care reform in prime time on Wednesday, Sept. 9, a senior official tells POLITICO.

Obama will receive House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid at the White House the day before for a previously scheduled sit-down.

The last time a president addressed a joint session of Congress that wasn’t a State of the Union, or the traditional first address by a new president, was Sept. 20, 2001, when President George W. Bush spoke on the war on terrorism following the 9/11 attacks."




This should mean a bump in Obama approval ratings, unless he messes up badly. Obama usually knocks these kind of speeches out of the park, so I'm hopeful.

For reference, when Bill Clinton gave his big health care speech in front of Congress in '93, his approval rating went up 10 points. Keep in mind that the bump Obama likely will receive won't last very long, but it would stop the fall in approval he's experiencing.


For a start, the president needs to assert control of his agenda, instead of Congress doing much of the proposing and disposing. The Progressive Caucus chairs too many House committees relative to it's strength in the caucus. Many progressives think they can draft legislation for America as though the entire nation was as blue as their districts - well, it isn't

The Democratic majority in the House and Senate rests on moderate Democrats and the overwhelming support of moderate voters, not left-liberals from uber safe  states and districts . And much of the Democratic success, of late, has meant having to run the right kind of Democrat who can, successfully, challenge and defeat right-wing Republican dogmatoids (certainly outside of the Northeast). Indeed, I lament the decline of more pragmatically-minded moderate Republicans

The biggest threat to much-needed healthcare reform lies in "absolutism" be it on the part of the minority Democratic left and the mainstream Republican right. In all fairness, to the progressives, of course, they have compromised on single-payer, which is more than I can say for the reactionary party, who all the while healthcare costs spiralled were more than content to do nothing; seemingly, oblivious, to any wider negative impact on economic growth, wages and job creation

The middle class are the backbone of the American economy and it is they who drive it through consumer spending. Given that median incomes have fallen is it any wonder the economy hit the crappers to the extent that it did?

And here's something else the Democrats need to get a handle on. They are going to have stop acquiesing to the environmental lobby so much because should the price of gas go through the roof, hurting the middle class, and the Republican solution is "drill, baby drill" it may well be advantage GOP

It was the Democratic Party and the modern liberal era which founded the mass middle class - in the wake of the 'Great Depression' and World War II - and they are under moral obligation, IMO, to champion it

I shouldn't need to remind any one that, during the 1970s, it was the perception that WELFARE rewarded idleness over work that, in part, sent much of the white working class - the founding pillar of the 'New Deal' - increasingly into the arms of the Republicans. Not to mention the effect of the Democratic Party spinelessly handing defense and national security, in wake of the fratricide, which tore the party apart in 1968 and beyond, over the war in Vietnam, to the GOP. I've about as much love for the 'New Left' as I have the 'New Right', which isn't very much

The Democrats, now, at least, have a chance to get it right because, unfortunately, the Republican Party is not as discredited as it was back in 1932


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 04, 2009, 01:21:26 PM
Rassy

48/52

We've seen a 2-3 point rise on Rass and 5 points on Gallup over the past few days and RCP and Pollster graphs show a pretty noticable jump. The president's obviously had a better week than other recent ones.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 04, 2009, 03:39:15 PM
I'm going to make a modification: orange is for polls that I consider indefensible because of their age  and because good evidence in surrounding states suggest that they are worthless:

(
)

Rationales:

1. South Carolina and Tennessee are much less Democratic than North Carolina and Georgia.

2. South Dakota is much less Democratic than Montana.

3. Utah is... Utah.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 04, 2009, 03:45:43 PM
I'm going to make a modification: orange is for polls that I consider indefensible because of their age  and because good evidence in surrounding states suggest that they are worthless:

(
)

Rationales:

1. South Carolina and Tennessee are much less Democratic than North Carolina and Georgia.

2. South Dakota is much less Democratic than Montana.

3. Utah is... Utah.





NE-02?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 04, 2009, 03:58:05 PM
Hmm, he definitely seems to be getting a bit of a boost. That's good news going into this speech and whatnot.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 04, 2009, 04:11:19 PM
Hmm, he definitely seems to be getting a bit of a boost. That's good news going into this speech and whatnot.

I was reading somewhere that Obama's made a net gain of 17 on Gallup in a week. Definately some momentum building.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 04, 2009, 04:20:15 PM
You wouldn't know it listening to MSM though, what a surprise...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 04, 2009, 04:21:06 PM
Hmm, he definitely seems to be getting a bit of a boost. That's good news going into this speech and whatnot.

I was reading somewhere that Obama's made a net gain of 17 on Gallup in a week. Definately some momentum building.

Uhh 17? I doubt that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on September 04, 2009, 04:27:49 PM
Hopefully Obamamentum is kicking in.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 04, 2009, 04:29:22 PM
Hmm, he definitely seems to be getting a bit of a boost. That's good news going into this speech and whatnot.

I was reading somewhere that Obama's made a net gain of 17 on Gallup in a week. Definately some momentum building.

Uhh 17? I doubt that.

Yeah, I just checked. The article I was reading was obviously wrong. :/

Since the polls from August 26-28 (50/42), Obama's made a net gain of 9 points.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on September 04, 2009, 04:32:50 PM
In my opinion, his approval ratings are recovering after the town hall protests and Republicans bashing him, if anything.

You'll see a real boost of momentum hopefully after his big health care speech.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 04, 2009, 04:45:49 PM
NE-02 was polled a few weeks ago.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on September 04, 2009, 04:46:27 PM

Results?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 04, 2009, 04:49:30 PM

As I recall they were about 62% positive. it's not likely that those stick. Nothing was said of NE-01 or NE-03. Nebraska was polled statewide recently, and I cut NE-02 back a little.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 05, 2009, 12:01:55 AM
Kentucky (R2000/DailyKos):

34% Favorable
63% Unfavorable

Do you believe that Barack Obama was born in the United States of America or not?

51% Yes
20% No
29% Not Sure

The Research 2000 Kentucky Poll was conducted from August 31 through September 2, 2009. A total of 600 likely voters who vote regularly in state elections were interviewed statewide by telephone.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/9/2/KY/355


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smash255 on September 05, 2009, 12:04:05 AM
Kentucky (R2000/DailyKos):

34% Favorable
63% Unfavorable

Do you believe that Barack Obama was born in the United States of America or not?

51% Yes
20% No
29% Not Sure


The Research 2000 Kentucky Poll was conducted from August 31 through September 2, 2009. A total of 600 likely voters who vote regularly in state elections were interviewed statewide by telephone.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/9/2/KY/355

Holy F***


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 05, 2009, 04:30:56 AM
Kentucky (R2000/DailyKos):

34% Favorable
63% Unfavorable

Do you believe that Barack Obama was born in the United States of America or not?

51% Yes
20% No
29% Not Sure


The Research 2000 Kentucky Poll was conducted from August 31 through September 2, 2009. A total of 600 likely voters who vote regularly in state elections were interviewed statewide by telephone.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/9/2/KY/355

Holy F***

Only 70-odd% of Democrats aswell and most Republicans believe it than dont...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ronnie on September 05, 2009, 08:38:15 PM
Obama went down in today's Gallup:

Favorable: 53% (-2)
Unfavorable: 40% (+2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: JerryBrown2010 on September 05, 2009, 11:00:57 PM
Obama went down in today's Gallup:

Favorable: 53% (-2)
Unfavorable: 40% (+2)

Close to where Bush was 8 years ago and he didn't even propose a health care plan.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 06, 2009, 05:55:15 AM
One thing seems reasonably certain: Obama is not about to get a spike in his approval ratings analogous to that of Dubya eight years ago!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on September 06, 2009, 06:04:52 AM
Obama went down in today's Gallup:

Favorable: 53% (-2)
Unfavorable: 40% (+2)

That's his job approval, not his favorability.  Should read:

Approve: 53% (-2)
Disapprove: 40% (+2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on September 06, 2009, 10:51:07 AM
One thing seems reasonably certain: Obama is not about to get a spike in his approval ratings analogous to that of Dubya eight years ago!

Let us hope so.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 06, 2009, 03:10:20 PM
Gallup drops again today:

Approve 52%(-1)
Disapprove 41%(+1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ronnie on September 06, 2009, 06:23:33 PM
Gallup drops again today:

Approve 52%(-1)
Disapprove 41%(+1)

I really think we should ignore these numbers unless there is some really important news.  They fluctuate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on September 06, 2009, 06:31:39 PM
Gallup drops again today:

Approve 52%(-1)
Disapprove 41%(+1)

I really think we should ignore these numbers unless there is some really important news.  They fluctuate.

Maybe reacting to the news (Friday) that the rate of unemployment jumped from 9.4% to 9.7%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: xavier110 on September 06, 2009, 06:35:14 PM
Maybe it's because of the school speech that will be shown soon. Think of the children and how Barack Obama will mold their little feeble minds!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on September 06, 2009, 08:54:21 PM
Rasmussen has Obama back at 49%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on September 06, 2009, 10:21:56 PM
Folks, it's Labor Day.  Means the polling sucks worse than normal.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on September 06, 2009, 10:27:55 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2009/republican_voters_say_gop_reps_in_congress_still_out_of_touch

Is anyone more horrified by this? The current makeup of Republicans are too LIBERAL? What on earth have they done that was liberal?

Duke, I told you in February/March what was going on within the Republican party (or where it's headed for the time being).  I'll repeat it if I have to, but it was as obvious then as now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: zclark1994 on September 07, 2009, 02:37:19 PM
Is gallup not posting anything today, I hate Labor day so much.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 07, 2009, 02:48:41 PM
Is gallup not posting anything today, I hate Labor day so much.

Labor day polling is horrible anyway.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: zclark1994 on September 07, 2009, 03:00:21 PM
Is gallup not posting anything today, I hate Labor day so much.

Labor day polling is horrible anyway.

Yeah, it's just my first Labor Day in which I wanted to look at the polls.  Just got into politics last year.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on September 09, 2009, 09:34:48 AM
Obama went down in today's Gallup:

Favorable: 53% (-2)
Unfavorable: 40% (+2)

Close to where Bush was 8 years ago and he didn't even propose a health care plan.

September 7–10, 2001: Bush 51% approve, 39% disapprove (http://www.gallup.com/poll/4882/Bush-Job-Approval-51-Immediately-Before-Tuesdays-Attacks.aspx). The final Gallup poll of our pre-war era.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 09, 2009, 12:08:22 PM
AP/GfK

Approve 50%
Disapprove 49%

http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com/pdf/AP-GfK_Poll_Healthcare_Politics_Topline.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on September 09, 2009, 04:46:38 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2009/republican_voters_say_gop_reps_in_congress_still_out_of_touch

Is anyone more horrified by this? The current makeup of Republicans are too LIBERAL? What on earth have they done that was liberal?

Duke, I told you in February/March what was going on within the Republican party (or where it's headed for the time being).  I'll repeat it if I have to, but it was as obvious then as now.

No need to repeat your little caveat. I remember what you said. No matter what happens, the Republican Party is still the lesser of the two evils when it comes to the things I care about.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on September 09, 2009, 05:01:14 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2009/republican_voters_say_gop_reps_in_congress_still_out_of_touch

Is anyone more horrified by this? The current makeup of Republicans are too LIBERAL? What on earth have they done that was liberal?

Duke, I told you in February/March what was going on within the Republican party (or where it's headed for the time being).  I'll repeat it if I have to, but it was as obvious then as now.

No need to repeat your little caveat. I remember what you said. No matter what happens, the Republican Party is still the lesser of the two evils when it comes to the things I care about.

What do you care about?  And I mean this in a serious sense.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 09, 2009, 05:42:08 PM
Massachusetts(Rasmussen)

Approve 58%
Disapprove 41%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/massachusetts/toplines/toplines_massachusetts_interim_senator_september_8_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 09, 2009, 06:00:32 PM
Massachusetts(Rasmussen)

Approve 58%
Disapprove 41%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/massachusetts/toplines/toplines_massachusetts_interim_senator_september_8_2009

Nationwide + 8. About right probably.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on September 09, 2009, 06:00:42 PM
I never thought that he would drop below 60% in Massachusetts.

[waiting for people to start complaining about the fact that it is Rasmussen]


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on September 09, 2009, 06:02:42 PM
I just went and fooled around at Pollster.com and interestingly, the most drastic change was removing Rasmussen.  The lines were much cleaner and the points were much closer together.  And his net approval jumped.  No other filters did that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 09, 2009, 06:14:27 PM
I never thought that he would drop below 60% in Massachusetts.

[waiting for people to start complaining about the fact that it is Rasmussen]

Rasmussen has Obama at 50 nationwide, Mass is at 58%. Mass was D+8 in November. So it's about right.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 09, 2009, 06:50:31 PM
Nothing really new:

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This time orange indicates that a state had a positive poll for Obama when it was last polled, but long ago and now unlikely to have any value.

White would be for an exact tie.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on September 09, 2009, 07:11:02 PM
How old is NE-02? I know Obama's more popular there, but he only got 49% of the vote on election day. I doubt he still has a 50% approval there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on September 09, 2009, 07:13:11 PM
Yeah, NE-02 should probably be orange.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 09, 2009, 07:22:29 PM
I just went and fooled around at Pollster.com and interestingly, the most drastic change was removing Rasmussen.  The lines were much cleaner and the points were much closer together.  And his net approval jumped.  No other filters did that.

Yes, Rasmussen is a large outlier (that and Pollster adds a new Rasmussen poll every three days, which aside from Gallup, makes it weigh much, much more).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 09, 2009, 07:31:43 PM
Yeah, NE-02 should probably be orange.
Obama's still doing decent nationwide, and he won NE-02, so it'd be close. But once you factor in the Age Wave, Obama would comfortably win it if the election was today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 09, 2009, 07:45:48 PM
How old is NE-02? I know Obama's more popular there, but he only got 49% of the vote on election day. I doubt he still has a 50% approval there.

The South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, and  Utah polls are from the winter of 2009. That from NE-02 is much newer, and the district votes very differently from the rest of Nebraska.

If the state is re-apportioned in a way in which Nebraska's Congressional districts are allotted latitudinally  (so that districts split Omaha) instead of longitudinally, then I would make the change.

NE-02 votes more like Missouri than like Nebraska as a whole.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on September 09, 2009, 09:04:56 PM
I would say eastern CO and western/central Nebraska vote similarly.  Same goes for southern CO and New Mexico.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 10, 2009, 11:13:56 AM
North Carolina(PPP)

Approve 45%
Disapprove 51%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_910.pdf

North Carolina(Civitas)

Approve 44%
Disapprove 46%

http://www.nccivitas.org/files/CFP%20Obama%20Sep%2009%20CTs.pdf

New Jersey(Rasmussen)

Approve 53%
Disapprove 45%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2009/new_jersey/toplines/toplines_new_jersey_governor_september_9_2009

Illinois(Chicago Tribune)

Approve 59%
Disapprove 33%

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-090903-poll-obama,0,5074975.graphic


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on September 10, 2009, 11:16:12 AM
Obama's Illinois approvals are almost as surprising as his Massachusetts numbers, and for the same reason.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 10, 2009, 01:17:50 PM
Obama's Illinois approvals are almost as surprising as his Massachusetts numbers, and for the same reason.

lolwut


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 10, 2009, 04:36:25 PM
Colorado(Rasmussen)

Approve 51%
Disapprove 48%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/colorado/toplines/toplines_2010_colorado_senate_september_9_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Nhoj on September 10, 2009, 04:52:32 PM
Colorado(Rasmussen)

Approve 51%
Disapprove 48%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/colorado/toplines/toplines_2010_colorado_senate_september_9_2009
Thats better than ppp's last poll isnt it? Though, ppp i think had higher undecideds so they might actually be about the same.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 10, 2009, 06:04:29 PM
Colorado speaks!

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Translated into a likely electoral result:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on September 10, 2009, 08:39:51 PM
Colorado speaks!

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Translated into a likely electoral result:

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Modified CO to tossup. You can't predit anything yet, 3 years to go.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 11, 2009, 12:16:57 AM
California (PPIC):

Adults

63% Approve
32% Disapprove

Registered Voters

60% Approve
35% Disapprove

Likely Voters

58% Approve
38% Disapprove

PPIC Statewide Survey: Californians and Their Government, September 2009. Includes 2,006 adults, 1,689 registered voters, and 1,291 likely voters. Interviews took place August 26–September 2, 2009. Margin of error ±2%.

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/other/APR_Obama0909.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 11, 2009, 10:29:55 AM
Kos/R2K Weekly poll

Name            Favourable    Unfavourable   Net Gain
PRESIDENT OBAMA   56 (52)   39 (43)   +8
         
PELOSI:   33 (32)   59 (59)   +1
REID:   30 (31)   59 (58)   -2
McCONNELL:   18 (19)   64 (63)   -2
BOEHNER:   14 (15)   62 (63)   0
         
CONGRESSIONAL DEMS:   38 (39)   57 (56)   -2
CONGRESSIONAL GOPS:   17 (18)   70 (69)   -2
         
DEMOCRATIC PARTY:   40 (39)   51 (52)   +2
REPUBLICAN PARTY:   22 (23)   68 (69)   0


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 11, 2009, 11:25:59 AM
Kos/R2K Weekly poll

Name            Favourable    Unfavourable   Net Gain
PRESIDENT OBAMA   56 (52)   39 (43)   +8
         
PELOSI:   33 (32)   59 (59)   +1
REID:   30 (31)   59 (58)   -2
McCONNELL:   18 (19)   64 (63)   -2
BOEHNER:   14 (15)   62 (63)   0
         
CONGRESSIONAL DEMS:   38 (39)   57 (56)   -2
CONGRESSIONAL GOPS:   17 (18)   70 (69)   -2
         
DEMOCRATIC PARTY:   40 (39)   51 (52)   +2
REPUBLICAN PARTY:   22 (23)   68 (69)   0

What does 57-39 look like?  It depends, surprisingly, on how the undistributed 4% go. Should that undecided vote split about 3-1 Republican, it's something like this:

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An Eisenhower '56 victory for Obama should Texas flip.

With a southern racist of the Strom Thurmond/George Wallace heritage splitting the conservative vote, it looks something like this:

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LBJ '64 again.

I do not claim that either will happen.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on September 11, 2009, 11:30:13 AM
It was nice to see your 2001 prediction of 2004, pbrower.  It was a fantastic reminder of how bad of an idea it is to predict elections so far in advance.  Why did you delete it?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 11, 2009, 11:48:19 AM
Why anyone would take a KOS poll seriously is beyond me.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on September 11, 2009, 11:49:12 AM
Kos/R2K Weekly poll

Name            Favourable    Unfavourable   Net Gain
PRESIDENT OBAMA   56 (52)   39 (43)   +8
         
PELOSI:   33 (32)   59 (59)   +1
REID:   30 (31)   59 (58)   -2
McCONNELL:   18 (19)   64 (63)   -2
BOEHNER:   14 (15)   62 (63)   0
         
CONGRESSIONAL DEMS:   38 (39)   57 (56)   -2
CONGRESSIONAL GOPS:   17 (18)   70 (69)   -2
         
DEMOCRATIC PARTY:   40 (39)   51 (52)   +2
REPUBLICAN PARTY:   22 (23)   68 (69)   0

What does 57-39 look like?  It depends, surprisingly, on how the undistributed 4% go. Should that undecided vote split about 3-1 Republican, it's something like this:

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An Eisenhower '56 victory for Obama should Texas flip.

With a southern racist of the Strom Thurmond/George Wallace heritage splitting the conservative vote, it looks something like this:

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LBJ '64 again.

I do not claim that either will happen.





Oh my God.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Edu on September 11, 2009, 11:58:19 AM
Why are people always pissing on Pbrower2a? As i understand it, he's not claiming that Obama will win this type of electoral victory in 2012, he just makes maps that take into account the polling data of today and then makes a projection of how it can be in 2012 if everything stays like it is today.
Things will stay like today? not likely. Is this unnecessary? You could say so. A bit dense? definitely. But apart from that i don't see anything wrong with what he's doing with the maps.

Even in his last post he said "I do not claim that either will happen"

Of course i could be mistaken :P but I've seen no indication that this guy thinks that the data for today will be exactly what will happen in 2012


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on September 11, 2009, 11:59:15 AM
Colorado speaks!

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Translated into a likely electoral result:

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Modified CO to tossup. You can't predit anything yet, 3 years to go.
Really, people. Do we need to remind ourselves in every 5th post for this thread that 2012 is a long way off, etc. etc.? (This is by no means just aimed at you Magnetic Free--there are MANY here who persist in this habit). Like I've said before let us political junkies just enjoy PB's maps as a snapshot of what an election against a generic Republican would look like if held today and please limit reiterating the obvious and redundant point about how much could change in the next 3 years (or even till November next year).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 11, 2009, 11:59:58 AM
Why are people always pissing on Pbrower2a? As i understand it, he's not claiming that Obama will win this type of electoral victory in 2012, he just makes maps that take into account the polling data of today and then makes a projection of how it can be in 2012 if everything stays like it is today.
Things will stay like today? not likely. Is this unnecessary? You could say so. A bit dense? definitely. But apart from that i don't see anything wrong with what he's doing with the maps.

Even in his last post he said "I do not claim that either will happen"

Of course i could be mistaken :P but I've seen no indication that this guy thinks that the data for today will be exactly what will happen in 2012
Because he is a Democratic hack, and always rambles on about how the "Age Wave" will cause Obama to easily win re-election, even though little polling has been done on these new voters. It's an assumption that the youth will like our black president.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on September 11, 2009, 12:03:21 PM
Why are people always pissing on Pbrower2a? As i understand it, he's not claiming that Obama will win this type of electoral victory in 2012, he just makes maps that take into account the polling data of today and then makes a projection of how it can be in 2012 if everything stays like it is today.
Things will stay like today? not likely. Is this unnecessary? You could say so. A bit dense? definitely. But apart from that i don't see anything wrong with what he's doing with the maps.

Even in his last post he said "I do not claim that either will happen"

Of course i could be mistaken :P but I've seen no indication that this guy thinks that the data for today will be exactly what will happen in 2012
Because he is a Democratic hack, and always rambles on about how the "Age Wave" will cause Obama to easily win re-election, even though little polling has been done on these new voters. It's an assumption that the youth will like our black president.

Well, they certainly did a year ago.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/04/exit.polls/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 11, 2009, 12:28:28 PM
Why anyone would take a KOS poll seriously is beyond me.

Because they were accurate last year?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 11, 2009, 12:32:22 PM
Why anyone would take a KOS poll seriously is beyond me.

Because they were accurate last year?

They had Obama up double-digits practically the whole time, and then made it close at the end to save face. If you looked at their poll you would think that McCain had a great final two weeks the way the gap shrunk.

But anyway, look at their sample, it's terrible. 17% "Non-Voters"? What the hell is that? Almost more of these "Non-voters" than Republicans.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on September 11, 2009, 01:13:33 PM
pbrower2 is not taken seriously.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 11, 2009, 01:48:02 PM
It was nice to see your 2001 prediction of 2004, pbrower.  It was a fantastic reminder of how bad of an idea it is to predict elections so far in advance.  Why did you delete it?

Accident. I had repeated a post and deleted the wrong one.

Here it is again, hopefully improved, based upon reasonable assumptions a few days after 9/11 of the Presidential election of 2004:

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Dubya (R) 488 EV
Levin   (D)   50 EV



Dubya wins 85% of the vote in Oklahoma and 92% in NE-02!  People are already asking whether Rick Santorum or George Allen will win in a landslide in the 2008 Presidential election, and whether the Democratic Party has any long-term viability. One would have to make an allowance that the Democratic candidate of 2004, probably someone with long and respected service to his country (let's say Senator Carl Levin, D-MI) might get the nomination and flip a state or two -- in his case Michigan and perhaps New York and/or New Jersey, but don't count on it).

It would look really bad had the Democratic nominee not been from so large a state in electoral votes.

Oh -- Carl Levin loses his Senate seat in 2006 as "Michigan's McGovern" in the second-to-last last wave of conservative sweeps of liberals from office in 2006.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on September 11, 2009, 01:51:22 PM
It was nice to see your 2001 prediction of 2004, pbrower.  It was a fantastic reminder of how bad of an idea it is to predict elections so far in advance.  Why did you delete it?

Accident. I had repeated a post and deleted the wrong one.

Here it is again, hopefully improved, based upon reasonable assumptions a few days after 9/11 of the Presidential election of 2004:

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Dubya (R) 488 EV
Levin   (D)   50 EV



Dubya wins 85% of the vote in Oklahoma and 92% in NE-02!  People are already asking whether Rick Santorum or George Allen will win in a landslide in the 2008 Presidential election, and whether the Democratic Party has any long-term viability. One would have to make an allowance that the Democratic candidate of 2004, probably someone with long and respected service to his country (let's say Senator Carl Levin, D-MI) might get the nomination and flip a state or two -- in his case Michigan and perhaps New York and/or New Jersey, but don't count on it).

Oh -- Carl Levin loses his Senate seat in 2006 in the last wave of conservative sweeps of liberals from office in 2006.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 11, 2009, 02:02:10 PM
All political life is flux. We must never forget that. Some things are of course impossible, or at least so unlikely that one has to go through incredible contortions to make them seem possible, as in "a Republican could win DC if the Democrat appears as a particiapant in a KKK rally" or "the Democrat will win Utah if his opponent calls Mormonism a 'demonic cult'".

Many people over-estimated Dubya's political abilities after 9/11 and his likelihood of getting genuine bipartisanship in meeting real dangers to America. I was one of them for a time.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pogo stick on September 11, 2009, 02:47:29 PM
All political life is flux. We must never forget that. Some things are of course impossible, or at least so unlikely that one has to go through incredible contortions to make them seem possible, as in "a Republican could win DC if the Democrat appears as a particiapant in a KKK rally" or "the Democrat will win Utah if his opponent calls Mormonism a 'demonic cult'".

Many people over-estimated Dubya's political abilities after 9/11 and his likelihood of getting genuine bipartisanship in meeting real dangers to America. I was one of them for a time.

And oyu are currently way overestimating Obama.


Your a hack admit it.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on September 11, 2009, 02:51:13 PM
All political life is flux. We must never forget that. Some things are of course impossible, or at least so unlikely that one has to go through incredible contortions to make them seem possible, as in "a Republican could win DC if the Democrat appears as a particiapant in a KKK rally" or "the Democrat will win Utah if his opponent calls Mormonism a 'demonic cult'".

Many people over-estimated Dubya's political abilities after 9/11 and his likelihood of getting genuine bipartisanship in meeting real dangers to America. I was one of them for a time.

And oyu are currently way overestimating Obama.


Your a hack admit it.



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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 11, 2009, 02:53:38 PM
JC isn't a hack, just an idiot.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 11, 2009, 03:16:31 PM
All political life is flux. We must never forget that. Some things are of course impossible, or at least so unlikely that one has to go through incredible contortions to make them seem possible, as in "a Republican could win DC if the Democrat appears as a particiapant in a KKK rally" or "the Democrat will win Utah if his opponent calls Mormonism a 'demonic cult'".

Many people over-estimated Dubya's political abilities after 9/11 and his likelihood of getting genuine bipartisanship in meeting real dangers to America. I was one of them for a time.

And you are currently way overestimating Obama.


Your a hack admit it.



History will show whether I am right or wrong about Obama. I just see too many political strengths -- superb orator, good political strategist, ability to appeal to voters that the other Party takes for granted, shrewd use of media... all he has to do is to have some legislative successes and avoid scandals, and he could easily win the popular vote 54-45 in 2012.

Demographic change alone suggests that Obama will do slightly better in 2012 than in 2008. That's without the GOP shooting itself in the foot with "death panels" and without tea-bag "parties" going stale.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 11, 2009, 03:36:35 PM

I just see too many political strengths -- superb orator, good political strategist, ability to appeal to voters that the other Party takes for granted, shrewd use of media...
Hitler had many of those qualities too, but he was still  unpopular. That stuff might help him in his first election campaign, but people will be voting on how he did as a President, not how well of a speaker he is.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on September 11, 2009, 03:42:25 PM

I just see too many political strengths -- superb orator, good political strategist, ability to appeal to voters that the other Party takes for granted, shrewd use of media...
Hitler had many of those qualities too, but he was still  unpopular. That stuff might help him in his first election campaign, but people will be voting on how he did as a President, not how well of a speaker he is.

Hitler was very popular in Germany.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on September 11, 2009, 04:09:27 PM
Rasmussen says Obama approval is 59% in Connecticut.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 11, 2009, 04:15:30 PM
This really is the official "baby says goo goo gaa gaa" thread.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 11, 2009, 05:40:23 PM
Subtle, and in one state of little area -- less area than greater Los Angeles.

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(Connecticut cut down one category for Obama).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 12, 2009, 12:00:05 AM
Is it really 2 months now that we had an OH (!) poll ?

PS: pbrower2a, plz colour IN and NE-02 in orange, because the polls are really old and IN was part of an Evan Bayh-sponsored poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 12, 2009, 12:29:16 AM
Is it really 2 months now that we had an OH (!) poll ?

PS: pbrower2a, plz colour IN and NE-02 in orange, because the polls are really old and IN was part of an Evan Bayh-sponsored poll.

Have patience. More polls will be out soon. I can't predict which ones, let alone which way they will go. Connecticut appeared tonight. Many agencies will have good cause to show new polls.

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For the state of California you will see the number "79" where you expect to see electoral votes. A code for months will be "7"+ X, with X representing the numerical value of the month from January to September or "80" for October, "81" for November, or "82" for December as the opportunities arise.

I am going to give asterisks for the states smallest in territory instead of a code for the month -- states that will all go to the GOP nominee in 2012 only in an Obama loss.   



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 12, 2009, 05:31:54 PM
Well, here's the "kryptonite" of the Obama Administration being rendered almost innocuous. This Rasmussen poll suggests that Americans are beginning to recognize some merits in major health-care reforms not directed by the insurance cartel and Big Pharma:


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Following Speech, Support for Health Care Reform Up to 46%


Friday, September 11, 2009





President Obama’s speech to Congress Wednesday night has provided at least a short-term boost in support for the health care reform plan that he and congressional Democrats have proposed. But the bounce is partisan in nature, with the increase in support coming entirely from those in the president’s own party.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national tracking survey shows that 46% favor the plan and 51% are opposed. The survey was conducted on Wednesday and Thursday nights. The previous two-day sample, conducted Tuesday and Wednesday nights, found that 44% favored the plan while 53% were opposed.

The Thursday night portion of the current survey is the first based entirely upon interviews conducted following the president’s speech to Congress. That data finds that the number who support and oppose the legislation are essentially even. Rasmussen Reports will be tracking support for the proposals on a daily basis over the next several days and will release new updates each morning at 9 EDT.

Another measure of the speech's impact will be found in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll. Early indications are that Obama also received a modest personal bounce in his approval ratings.


Eighty percent (80%) of Democrats now support the health care plan, up from 72% in the previous survey results. Support among Republicans declined two points while support among those not affiliated with either major party rose by a single percentage point. Premium Members can see full demographic crosstabs for results released today, yesterday and, for comparison, in late August.

The speech also increased enthusiasm for the plan. Thirty percent (30%) now Strongly Favor the legislation and 39% are Strongly Opposed. In the previous survey, 27% Strongly Favored the plan and 41% Strongly Opposed. In August, those numbers were 23% and 43% respectively.

From a different perspective, 51% now say that health care reform is at least somewhat likely to pass this year. That’s up from 47%.

If the plan passes, 31% of voters say the quality of care will get better and 46% say it will get worse. In August, the numbers were 23% better and 50% worse.

Forty-seven percent (47%) say passage of the plan will make the cost of health care go up while 23% say it will make costs go down. The previous survey found 52% thought the plan would lead to higher costs, and only 17% thought it would achieve the stated goal of lowering costs.

Other recent polling prior to the president's speech shows that most people with insurance say it’s likely they would be forced to change coverage if the plan passes. Voters overwhelmingly believe that every American should be able to buy the same health insurance plan that Congress has. Most favor limits on jury awards for medical malpractice claims and think that tort reform will significantly reduce the cost of health care.

Rasmussen Reports on Wednesday provided a summary of public opinion on health care reform leading up to the speech.

Nationally televised appearances by the president have typically provided a bounce in the polls that last for a week or two. In all cases but one, the bounce has been positive for the president. Following a nationally televised press conference in August, he received a negative bounce when he commented on an incident involving a black Harvard professor and a white Cambridge policeman. Still, even following that press conference which was intended to promote the health care plan, the president’s appearance temporarily improved support for the reform legislation.



This national telephone survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted by Rasmussen Reports September 9-10, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence . 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 12, 2009, 05:51:00 PM
Um, he is still under 50% on the question, that's not good.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on September 12, 2009, 06:04:45 PM
Obama will probably end up getting his public option anyway.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on September 12, 2009, 09:15:32 PM
Obama will probably end up getting his public option anyway.

And even then it would only be an insurance provider of the 'last resort' - that is an option for those who have no other alternative. That's the sense I got from the President's address to Congress


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 12, 2009, 10:03:31 PM
Um, he is still under 50% on the question, that's not good.

... on his weak spot. He has left responsibility for the legislation to Congress.  Congress did badly. Surely Obama will be judged on other things as well -- like the economy in general.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on September 12, 2009, 10:32:56 PM
Um, he is still under 50% on the question, that's not good.

... on his weak spot. He has left responsibility for the legislation to Congress.  Congress did badly. Surely Obama will be judged on other things as well -- like the economy in general.

Congress is far more important than Obama. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on September 13, 2009, 12:35:05 AM
Wow, a few days after Obama gives a speech on a health care reform (of some sort), support for health care reform goes up.

I can't tell you how shocked I am about that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 13, 2009, 01:33:44 AM
Wow, a few days after Obama gives a speech on a health care reform (of some sort), support for health care reform goes up.

I can't tell you how shocked I am about that.

Be patient.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on September 13, 2009, 02:27:41 AM
"Beginning to"?  Like this was based on some sort of substantial upgrade in America's understanding, that will go out exponentially?  haha, if only!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on September 13, 2009, 04:41:24 AM
Um, he is still under 50% on the question, that's not good.

... on his weak spot. He has left responsibility for the legislation to Congress.  Congress did badly. Surely Obama will be judged on other things as well -- like the economy in general.

Congress is far more important than Obama. 

The President should be in charge of his agenda. It's his job to propose and that of Congress to dispose. Many commentators feel that in allowing Congress to do the proposing explains the president's slippage in approval among Independents


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on September 13, 2009, 04:53:25 AM
Is it really 2 months now that we had an OH (!) poll ?

PS: pbrower2a, plz colour IN and NE-02 in orange, because the polls are really old and IN was part of an Evan Bayh-sponsored poll.

Have patience. More polls will be out soon. I can't predict which ones, let alone which way they will go. Connecticut appeared tonight. Many agencies will have good cause to show new polls.

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For the state of California you will see the number "79" where you expect to see electoral votes. A code for months will be "7"+ X, with X representing the numerical value of the month from January to September or "80" for October, "81" for November, or "82" for December as the opportunities arise.

I am going to give asterisks for the states smallest in territory instead of a code for the month -- states that will all go to the GOP nominee in 2012 only in an Obama loss.   

Cool, but I would just drop the "7" code, and just have the month by itself, leaving out all electoral vote #s.  For states with no month #, just leave them blank.  The 2008 electoral votes aren't going to be used in the 2012 election anyway.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 13, 2009, 08:29:51 AM
Rasmussen at 51-48 today.

Support for Health Reform at 48-48.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: East Coast Republican on September 13, 2009, 10:38:30 AM
Hey Tender

Corzine is behind 8 points this morning and his numbers are still upside down.  Go look at Monmouth polling.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 13, 2009, 11:17:55 AM
Obama will probably end up getting his public option anyway.

And even then it would only be an insurance provider of the 'last resort' - that is an option for those who have no other alternative. That's the sense I got from the President's address to Congress

There would be lots of hardship cases -- people with pre-existing conditions, people over 50 with low incomes... Such are the people that the health insurance industry doesn't want as customers or only at at terms that price them into hunger or homelessness.  It could be an expansion of Medicare to such people.

One must say this of the civil service by which Medicare is run; it doesn't pay as lavishly those at the top of the scale as does private enterprise, and private enterprise pays people well to treat others badly.

Would you treat people badly if the pay weren't so great? At the preposterous extreme, a Mafia hit isn't cheap -- even if i comes from sociopathic persons so predisposed.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 13, 2009, 01:54:57 PM
Is it really 2 months now that we had an OH (!) poll ?



Yes, it really is two months since we had an Ohio poll.

Maybe letters will work better for the "territorially-challenged" states. Until I sort them out or get new polls I will continue to use asterisks for them.

A is for January, B is for February, C is for March... H is for August, I is for September, J will be for October... and Z for unpolled. Then:

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For the state of California you will see the number "79" where you expect to see electoral votes. A code for months will be "7"+ X, with X representing the numerical value of the month from January to September or "80" for October, "81" for November, or "82" for December as the opportunities arise.

I am going to give asterisks for the states smallest in territory instead of a code for the month -- states that will all go to the GOP nominee in 2012 only in an Obama loss.   

Cool, but I would just drop the "7" code, and just have the month by itself, leaving out all electoral vote #s.  For states with no month #, just leave them blank.  The 2008 electoral votes aren't going to be used in the 2012 election anyway.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 14, 2009, 01:36:45 PM
Arkansas(KOS)

Favorable 41%
Unfavorable 55%

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/9/10/AR/371


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 14, 2009, 01:41:16 PM
Today's trackers:

Rass - 52/48 (Pass health care/Kill Health Care 51/46)
Rass approval index - -3
Gallup - 53/40

Others:

USA Today/Gallup - 54/43
ABC/Washington Post - 54/43
Anzalone-Liszt (D-AUFC) - 56/41
On Message (R-RNC) - 55/43 (eugh, commie poll!)

Averages:

Pollster (normal) - 52.9/44.3
Pollster (high sensitivity) - 53.6/43.2
Pollster (low sensitivity) - 52.4/44.4
RCP - 52.6/44.6 (Partisan polls not included)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 14, 2009, 02:50:58 PM
Arkansas(KOS)

Favorable 41%
Unfavorable 55%

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/9/10/AR/371

Update of slight value:

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Arkansas went about 58-38 for McCain in 2008. This poll portends well for improvements elsewhere.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 14, 2009, 03:02:23 PM
Again, you are missing the difference between favorability and approval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 14, 2009, 03:11:36 PM
Again, you are missing the difference between favorability and approval.

Aswell as it being from Kos.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 15, 2009, 12:33:59 AM
Not that I have any delusion to the contrary; Mike Huckabee would trounce Barack Obama in Arkansas.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on September 15, 2009, 01:01:27 AM
Again, you are missing the difference between favorability and approval.

^^
Indeed.  Is this a map of favorability #s or approval #s?  Or is it a mix of both?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 15, 2009, 01:09:19 AM
For what it's worth, I doubt there is much of a difference between Obama's job approval and favorability ratings in Arkansas.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 15, 2009, 08:41:10 AM
New York (Marist College):

57% Excellent/Good
43% Fair/Poor

This survey of 805 New York State registered voters was conducted on September 8th through September 10th, 2009. Registered voters were interviewed by telephone in proportion to the voter registration in each county in New York and adjusted for turnout in statewide elections. Telephone numbers were selected based upon a list of telephone exchanges from throughout the state. The exchanges were selected to ensure that each region was represented in proportion to its population. To increase coverage, this land-line sample was supplemented by respondents reached through random dialing of cell phone numbers. The two samples were then combined.  Results are statistically significant at ±3.5%. The error margin increases for cross-tabulations.

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/914-obamas-approval-rating-dips-in-nys


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 15, 2009, 09:17:35 AM
New York (Marist College):

57% Excellent/Good
43% Fair/Poor

This survey of 805 New York State registered voters was conducted on September 8th through September 10th, 2009. Registered voters were interviewed by telephone in proportion to the voter registration in each county in New York and adjusted for turnout in statewide elections. Telephone numbers were selected based upon a list of telephone exchanges from throughout the state. The exchanges were selected to ensure that each region was represented in proportion to its population. To increase coverage, this land-line sample was supplemented by respondents reached through random dialing of cell phone numbers. The two samples were then combined.  Results are statistically significant at ±3.5%. The error margin increases for cross-tabulations.

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/914-obamas-approval-rating-dips-in-nys

Update of slight value:

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The "H" becomes an "I" upon New York state.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 15, 2009, 09:24:47 AM
If you look at pollster, Obama clearly got quite a bump from his healthcare speech. Hopefully it translates into state polls so that map becomes less ugly.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 15, 2009, 11:57:18 AM
CNN National:

Approve: 58% (+5)

Disapprove: 40% (-5)

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/09/15/obama_approval_rises.html




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 15, 2009, 12:04:44 PM
Gallup

52(-1)
41(+1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 15, 2009, 12:06:08 PM
Nevada (Rasmussen):

46% Approve
53% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Nevada was conducted by Rasmussen Reports September 14, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/nevada/election_2010_nevada_senate_race


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 15, 2009, 12:07:44 PM
CNN National:

Approve: 58% (+5)

Disapprove: 40% (-5)

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/09/15/obama_approval_rises.html
Democratic hack poll...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 15, 2009, 12:12:48 PM
CNN National:

Approve: 58% (+5)

Disapprove: 40% (-5)

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/09/15/obama_approval_rises.html
Democratic hack poll...

Umm, no.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 15, 2009, 01:39:08 PM
Nevada (Rasmussen):

46% Approve
53% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Nevada was conducted by Rasmussen Reports September 14, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/nevada/election_2010_nevada_senate_race

Nothing about the President in Nevada, in case anyone is confused.

How old are the Utah and Tennessee polls? February and January, respectively.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 15, 2009, 01:42:33 PM
Nevada should be yellow.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 15, 2009, 01:58:52 PM

That's about the health care legislation. Nothing is said of President Obama except that he supports it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 15, 2009, 02:55:23 PM

That's about the health care legislation. Nothing is said of President Obama except that he supports it.

No.

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

37% Strongly approve
9% Somewhat approve
8% Somewhat disapprove
45% Strongly disapprove
1% Not sure


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 15, 2009, 03:12:00 PM

That's about the health care legislation. Nothing is said of President Obama except that he supports it.

No.

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

37% Strongly approve
9% Somewhat approve
8% Somewhat disapprove
45% Strongly disapprove
1% Not sure

That was not in the poll that I saw. That looks like an old one.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 15, 2009, 03:18:38 PM
Do I have to hold your hand?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/nevada/toplines/toplines_2010_nevada_senate_september_14_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 15, 2009, 04:17:06 PM
Do I have to hold your hand?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/nevada/toplines/toplines_2010_nevada_senate_september_14_2009

No. Getting the right link is necessary and adequate.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on September 15, 2009, 04:35:04 PM
Trends for comparison:

Carter 54/29 (September 1977)

Reagan 52/37 (September 1981)

Bush I 70/17 (September 1989)

Clinton 50/40 (September 1993)

Bush 51/39 before 9/11, 90/6 after (September 2001)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 15, 2009, 11:54:06 PM
Virginia (Clarus Research Group):

48% Approve
43% Disapprove

Sept. 10-14, 600 registered voters, 4% margin of error

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/va_mcdonnell_42_deeds_37_claru.php


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 15, 2009, 11:55:48 PM
New Mexico (Albuquerque Journal / Research & Polling Inc.):

53% Approve
37% Disapprove

Sept. 8-10, 402 registered voters, 5% margin of error

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/nm_approval_ratings_albuquerqu.php


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on September 16, 2009, 08:37:31 AM
New Mexico (Albuquerque Journal / Research & Polling Inc.):

53% Approve
37% Disapprove

Sept. 8-10, 402 registered voters, 5% margin of error

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/nm_approval_ratings_albuquerqu.php

Interesting. In November New Mexico was advantage Democrat, now it seems to be at about the national level.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 16, 2009, 12:18:12 PM
New Hampshire(Rasmussen)

Approve 50%
Disapprove 50%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/new_hampshire/toplines/toplines_new_hampshire_senate_september_14_2009

Colorado(Rasmussen)

Approve 48%
Disapprove 51%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/colorado/toplines/toplines_2010_colorado_senate_september_15_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 16, 2009, 12:22:38 PM
New Jersey(PPP)

Approve 45%
Disapprove 48%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NJ_916.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on September 16, 2009, 12:40:50 PM
I wonder if pbrower2a will color New Hampshire green or yellow.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Nhoj on September 16, 2009, 12:41:37 PM
New Jersey(PPP)

Approve 45%
Disapprove 48%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NJ_916.pdf
Is that just likely voters in this falls election? it would seem very odd to me if obama had a lower approval rating in NJ than CO.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 16, 2009, 12:53:22 PM
New Jersey(PPP)

Approve 45%
Disapprove 48%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NJ_916.pdf
Is that just likely voters in this falls election? it would seem very odd to me if obama had a lower approval rating in NJ than CO.

2009 Likely Voters. PPP said that the 2008 electorate would extrapolate to a 51/43 approval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 16, 2009, 12:53:48 PM
Make NJ yellow.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on September 16, 2009, 12:59:33 PM

Why would you use 2009 LV's instead of 2008 electorate?  I can see an argument for 2008 electorate measure not being included on the map, but why use the number from an election that's obviously going to be less reflective of any Presidential electorate?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 16, 2009, 01:02:01 PM
Ohio (Quinnipiac University):

53% Approve
42% Disapprove

From September 10 - 13, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,074 Ohio registered voters, with a margin of error of +/- 3 percentage points. The survey includes 375 Republicans with a margin of error of +/- 5 percentage points and 421 Democrats with a margin of error of +/- 4.8 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1322.xml?ReleaseID=1372


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 16, 2009, 01:04:42 PM

Why would you use 2009 LV's instead of 2008 electorate?  I can see an argument for 2008 electorate measure not being included on the map, but why use the number from an election that's obviously going to be less reflective of any Presidential electorate?

Because you can't cherry pick the numbers. NH and CO are both 2010 likely voters, should those not be included either?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on September 16, 2009, 01:20:02 PM
I wonder if pbrower2a will color New Hampshire green or yellow.

It will remain green. He still refuses to acknowledge that NE-02 is probably an outdated poll, believing that a district that was 49-49 on election day 2008 would still give Obama over 50% approvals.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on September 16, 2009, 01:46:42 PM
New Mexico (Albuquerque Journal / Research & Polling Inc.):

53% Approve
37% Disapprove

Sept. 8-10, 402 registered voters, 5% margin of error

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/nm_approval_ratings_albuquerqu.php

Interesting. In November New Mexico was advantage Democrat, now it seems to be at about the national level.

NM polling = crapshoot

I just want to make a logical point here that people seem to be missing with regards to state polls:

Excluding turnout issues and what not - once Obama's approval got/gets under his 2008 number of 53% (and probably even before that), we should probably expect the greatest reversals in the states where he most strongly outperformed Kerry.  That 5% or so of voters are almost undoubtedly his weakest supporters and would probably be the quickest to jump off the approval bandwagon within his coalition.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 16, 2009, 02:43:36 PM
CO, NH, NM, OH, VA updates


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The New Jersey poll relates to a gubernatorial race in 2010.  NH is a 50-50 tie; a lesser tie (let us say 49-49) would be white.

The positive ratings in Ohio and Virginia suggest that Obama would win. The GOP absolutely can't afford to lose either state again in the 2012 election.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on September 16, 2009, 02:57:44 PM
NJ should be yellow!!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 16, 2009, 02:59:54 PM
You're an idiot. The CO, NH, and VA numbers were all included in election polls too. Be honest, you are not including NJ because you don't like what it shows.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 16, 2009, 03:08:51 PM
You're an idiot. The CO, NH, and VA numbers were all included in election polls too. Be honest, you are not including NJ because you don't like what it shows.

I don't cover gubernatorial or senatorial races in this thread. "Corzine is behind" is not my concern here.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 16, 2009, 03:12:29 PM
You're an idiot. The CO, NH, and VA numbers were all included in election polls too. Be honest, you are not including NJ because you don't like what it shows.

I don't cover gubernatorial or senatorial races in this thread. "Corzine is behind" is not my concern here.

What are you even talking about? I am talking about OBAMA'S APPROVAL RATING. It's like talking to a freaking wall. How can you possibly justify putting the recent CO, NH, and VA polls on the map but not the NJ one?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on September 16, 2009, 03:46:25 PM
Ohio (Quinnipiac University):

53% Approve
42% Disapprove

Very surprising, but good.  New Jersey is also incredibly odd; any explanations?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 16, 2009, 03:52:45 PM
*Sigh*
Do you even read what it says, pbrower???

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NJ_916.pdf


Quote
Obama Popularity Dropping in New Jersey
Raleigh, N.C. – Barack Obama’s approval rating among likely voters for this fall’s
Gubernatorial election has dropped to just 45%, with 48% disapproving of him.

Those numbers are down a good bit from PPP’s last survey of the state in July, which
found his approval at 53/39. While Obama is steady with Democrats he has dropped a
good deal with both Republicans and independents. Among GOP voters his approval has
dropped from 20% to 12%. With unaffiliated ones it’s an even steeper decline from 48%
to 36%.
Support for Obama on health care is even lower than his overall approval rating. Only
39% of voters say they support his plans, while 50% are opposed. That falls largely
along party lines, but 64% of independents are against his plans with only 26%
expressing favor.
“There are more Obama voters in New Jersey now who don’t approve of him than there
are McCain voters who believe he’s doing a good job,” said Dean Debnam, President of
Public Policy Polling. “This is the first time we’ve found that anywhere and it makes you
wonder how effective Obama’s really going to be on behalf of Jon Corzine.”
There is a fair amount of political extremism among New Jersey voters, as there is
everywhere right now. 21% of voters in the state don’t think Barack Obama is a natural
born US citizen and 19% believe George W. Bush had advance knowledge of 9/11. 8%
of voters go so far as to say they think Barack Obama is the Anti-Christ.
PPP will release numbers tomorrow looking at how Cory Booker and Frank Pallone
would do if they were swapped in for Jon Corzine.
PPP surveyed 500 likely New Jersey voters from September 11th to 14th. The survey’s
margin of error is +/-4.5%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and
weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.
Complete results are attached and can be found at www.publicpolicypolling.com.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on September 16, 2009, 05:24:43 PM
Ohio (Quinnipiac University):

53% Approve
42% Disapprove

Very surprising, but good.  New Jersey is also incredibly odd; any explanations?

Ohio: measuring the temporary health care speech bounce.

New Jersey: Likely voters 2009 are 48-46 Obama over McCain when it was 57-41 in November.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 16, 2009, 06:07:22 PM
Quote:

Barack Obama’s approval rating among likely voters for this fall’s
Gubernatorial election
has dropped to just 45%, with 48% disapproving of him.
Those numbers are down a good bit from PPP’s last survey of the state in July, which
found his approval at 53/39. While Obama is steady with Democrats he has dropped a
good deal with both Republicans and independents. Among GOP voters his approval has
dropped from 20% to 12%. With unaffiliated ones it’s an even steeper decline from 48%
to 36%.

Note the correction:

"Likely voters in a midterm election (2010) an odd-year election" means something very different from likely voters in a Presidential contest. That is why I cannot accept this polling result.

Because I had a bug in Adobe Reader I was unable to read the PDF until a few minutes ago.

MidtermOdd-year elections are very different from Presidential and even midterm elections; they have far lesser participation, and such elections tend to be more Republican than those in Presidential years.

No question: Corzine is in big trouble politically.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 16, 2009, 06:16:10 PM
Then all of your polls are worthless. Almost EVERY SINGLE poll of Obama's approval, accompanies either a gubernatorial or senatorial poll.

So I ask you again, for the fourth freaking time, what is the difference between the OH, CO, and VA poll's and the NJ poll?

It's like talking to a freaking braindead person.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on September 16, 2009, 06:17:48 PM
"Likely voters in a midterm election (2010)" means something very different from likely voters in a Presidential contest. That is why I cannot accept this polling result.

You mean 2009.  The NJ gov race is this year.

You include other polls of likely voters for 2010 midterms.  These polls are headlined "Colorado Senate" and "New Hampshire Senate":

link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/colorado/toplines/toplines_2010_colorado_senate_september_15_2009)

link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/new_hampshire/toplines/toplines_new_hampshire_senate_september_14_2009)

so they're for the 2010 midterms, and they poll "likely voters".  They are polling likely voters for next year's midterms, so should you exclude them as well?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 16, 2009, 06:40:22 PM
I would just give up on the whole map thing. It's fairly pointless at this point anyway.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 16, 2009, 06:49:09 PM
Quote:

Barack Obama’s approval rating among likely voters for this fall’s
Gubernatorial election
has dropped to just 45%, with 48% disapproving of him.
Those numbers are down a good bit from PPP’s last survey of the state in July, which
found his approval at 53/39. While Obama is steady with Democrats he has dropped a
good deal with both Republicans and independents. Among GOP voters his approval has
dropped from 20% to 12%. With unaffiliated ones it’s an even steeper decline from 48%
to 36%.

"Likely voters in a midterm election (2010)" means something very different from likely voters in a Presidential contest. That is why I cannot accept this polling result.

Because I had a bug in Adobe Reader I was unable to read the PDF until a few minutes ago.

Midterm elections are very different from Presidential elections; they have far lesser participation, and such elections tend to be more Republican than those in Presidential years.
wtf? Polls include Senate races all the time, and you have no problem including them. Your problem with this poll is it will turn New Jersey yellow. You would have accepted this poll if Obama was doing good in NJ.
Please quit making maps, and let someone else do it who isn't a hack for either side.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 16, 2009, 07:03:08 PM
I don't know whats with all the letters, so I'm changing it back to numbers.
I will not be picking and choosing which polls to put on.
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on September 16, 2009, 07:17:46 PM
I don't know whats with all the letters, so I'm changing it back to numbers.
I will not be picking and choosing which polls to put on.
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When making the map, tick off the box that shows Congressional Districts - since most of the polls for either Nebraska or Maine are going to be state-wide anyway... And if we're having Green >30% for >50% ties, we should have Yellow >30% for <50% ties.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 16, 2009, 07:27:08 PM
When making the map, tick off the box that shows Congressional Districts - since most of the polls for either Nebraska or Maine are going to be state-wide anyway... And if we're having Green >30% for >50% ties, we should have Yellow >30% for <50% ties.
There. I tried accommodating all of your suggestion. A tie is now tan.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on September 16, 2009, 08:30:22 PM
I don't know whats with all the letters, so I'm changing it back to numbers.
I will not be picking and choosing which polls to put on.
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When making the map, tick off the box that shows Congressional Districts - since most of the polls for either Nebraska or Maine are going to be state-wide anyway... And if we're having Green >30% for >50% ties, we should have Yellow >30% for <50% ties.
Based on polls, this it an update what I think the 2012 election will turnout.
Dem - 249
Rep - 257
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 17, 2009, 12:01:37 AM
Massachusetts (Suffolk University):

64% Favorable
30% Unfavorable

The statewide survey of 500 Massachusetts registered voters was conducted Sept. 12-15, 2009. Of those polled, 39 percent were registered Democrats, 15 percent Republicans, and 44 percent independent. The margin of error is +/- 4.4 percent at a 95 percent level of confidence.

http://www.suffolk.edu/37947.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 17, 2009, 04:59:24 AM
Massachusetts update (no surprise there):


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The New Jersey poll relates to voters in a gubernatorial race in 2009; I consider it void as a measure of the approval for Obama . 


Explanation of the letters:

A January                     G July
B February                   H August
C March                        I September
D April                          J October
E May                           K November
F June                           L December

Z -- no poll since the election

Letters show the age of the most reliable and credible poll. Age of the poll is relevant.

* -- small states in territory, or districts that have their own electoral vote for which I can't find the most recent poll.

Colors:

Green -- positive approval rating. The lightest is for a positive difference with the approval under 50%. Darker shades of green are for higher levels of approval.

Aqua -- exact 50-50 tie, which I have just seen today.

White -- exact tie with an approval under 50%.

Orange -- old positive approvals that I no longer consider relevant and reliable. These are  as a rule in states that Obama lost.

Yellow -- any  state or district in which  disapproval is higher than approval for Obama; darker shades indicate stronger disapproval.

Gray -- unpolled. Those are Alaska, DC, Maryland, Mississippi, North Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming.

I colored Utah yellow because it is Utah. I colored NE-01 and NE-03 yellow because they voted for McCain. I colored ME-01 and ME-02 because the voted very close to the pattern for Maine itself, which voted decisively for Obama.

Trouble spots are Indiana and NE-02 because they voted for Obama and have been polled --if with aging polls -- positively for Obama. That is very different from the cases with South Carolina, South Dakota, and Tennessee. I am not going to color those yellow or orange until they are polled again. If I am not making a quick change of color for Iowa or Wisconsin to green until I see a poll for either state, than I will not do so for Indiana or NE-02.





 

 
 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on September 17, 2009, 05:07:48 AM
Massachusetts update (no surprise there):

Once again, I would like to point out that you're adding a poll that measures Obama's *favorability* rating, not his *job approval* rating.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on September 17, 2009, 07:55:05 AM
He doesn't care. He is just trying to make Obama look as good as possible.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 17, 2009, 08:07:14 AM
North Carolina (Rasmussen):

47% Approve
52% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in North Carolina was conducted by Rasmussen Reports, September 15, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/north_carolina/toplines/toplines_2010_north_carolina_senate_september_15_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 17, 2009, 08:09:59 AM
Connecticut (Quinnipiac University):

57% Approve
36% Disapprove

From September 10 - 14, Quinnipiac University surveyed 921 Connecticut registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 3.2 percentage points. The survey includes 248 Republicans with a margin of error of +/- 6.2 percentage points and 342 Democrats with a margin of error of +/- 5.3 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1296.xml?ReleaseID=1374


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 17, 2009, 08:16:31 AM
North Carolina goes from 40% disapprove-50% disapprove. Connecticut goes from 60%-50% approving.
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on September 17, 2009, 08:18:58 AM
He doesn't care. He is just trying to make Obama look as good as possible.

^^^^


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 17, 2009, 10:17:20 AM
North Carolina (Rasmussen):

47% Approve
52% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in North Carolina was conducted by Rasmussen Reports, September 15, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/north_carolina/toplines/toplines_2010_north_carolina_senate_september_15_2009

That's not that bad, considering it's North Carolina and Rasmussen's Republican house effect.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on September 17, 2009, 10:21:12 AM
Right now, 22 states are in the "yellow."

Come on Obama. You can do it. Just 4 more. ;)

Although, Alaska, Mississippi, North Dakota, Wyoming, South Dakota, South Carolina, and Tennessee are all probably "yellow" right now.

DC, Vermont, and Maryland are likely "green."

I always saw yellow as a lukewarm color rather than a color of disapproval. The lukewarm people barely approve, and there is no color for that. They just get stuck with light green. :(


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on September 17, 2009, 11:34:22 AM
MidtermOdd-year elections are very different from Presidential and even midterm elections; they have far lesser participation, and such elections tend to be more Republican than those in Presidential years.

Actually, in New Jersey, midterm elections see almost identical turnout when you compare them to odd-year gubernatorial elections.  Some of the voters will be different, sure, but I don't think they're going to be as different as you think.

In 2005, 49% turned out; it was 48% in 2006.  In 2001, 49% turned out; it was 46% in 2002.

Comparitively, 73% turned out for the 2008 Presidential election; only 32% showed up for odd-year State Senate legislative midterms (2007).  Expect that already-low number to get even worse next decade—State Assemblymen will top the ticket in 2015 and 2019.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 17, 2009, 11:43:59 AM
I kind of want to change the yellow states to red states. Granted, that is a party color, but red means negative. I might start doing that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 17, 2009, 12:50:23 PM
Texas Republicans (Rasmussen):

18% Approve
80% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/texas/toplines/toplines_texas_republican_primary_september_16_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on September 17, 2009, 01:14:13 PM
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Green- Has positive approval rating
Red- Has negative approval rating
White- Tie
Orange- Out of date poll
Gray- No Data








Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 17, 2009, 01:14:51 PM
Pew Research:

55% Approve
33% Disapprove

Results for this survey are based on telephone interviews conducted under the direction of Princeton Survey Research Associates among a nationwide sample of 1,006 adults, 18 years of age or older, from September 10-15, 2009.

Total sample 1,006
Republicans 250
Democrats 353
Independents 327

http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/545.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 17, 2009, 01:17:28 PM
Texas Republicans (Rasmussen):

18% Approve
80% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/texas/toplines/toplines_texas_republican_primary_september_16_2009

I would've expected worse for some reason.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 17, 2009, 01:33:21 PM
NC update:

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... I promise: unless Indiana or NE-02 is polled by September 31, it goes "orange". Six months is clearly outdated.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 17, 2009, 01:43:24 PM
NC update:

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... I promise: unless Indiana or NE-02 is polled by September 31, it goes "orange". Six months is clearly outdated.

Any older than a month and a half, at the most, should really be orange.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 17, 2009, 01:51:08 PM
Virginia (Rasmussen):

49% Approve
50% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Virginia was conducted by Rasmussen Reports September 16, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2009/virginia/toplines/toplines_virginia_governor_election_september_16_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on September 17, 2009, 01:54:19 PM
Virginia (Rasmussen):

49% Approve
50% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Virginia was conducted by Rasmussen Reports September 16, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2009/virginia/toplines/toplines_virginia_governor_election_september_16_2009

*Sigh*

Don't you know that NJ and VA polls that have Obama below 50% don't count.

Hack!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 17, 2009, 03:10:50 PM
Here's why that poll does not count:

9* Generally speaking, do you strongly favor, somewhat favor, somewhat oppose or strongly oppose the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and the congressional Democrats?

34% Strongly favor

12% Somewhat favor

6% Somewhat oppose

45% Strongly oppose

3% Not sure

The question is excessively specific on one issue and to broad in  responsibility (it includes Congress). It does not ask either for general approval or general favorability of the President.

 As such it is disqualified for my map.

Most recent poll,


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 17, 2009, 03:13:37 PM
Here's why that poll does not count:

9* Generally speaking, do you strongly favor, somewhat favor, somewhat oppose or strongly oppose the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and the congressional Democrats?

34% Strongly favor

12% Somewhat favor

6% Somewhat oppose

45% Strongly oppose

3% Not sure

The question is excessively specific on one issue and to broad in  responsibility (it includes Congress). It does not ask either for general approval or general favorability of the President.

 As such it is disqualified for my map.

Most recent poll,

LOL.

What about question 1:

"How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?"


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 17, 2009, 03:19:31 PM
Pbrower has to be one of the most brain dead people I have ever dealt with.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on September 17, 2009, 03:21:02 PM
We now have two maps that are misinterpreting poll results in unique ways :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 17, 2009, 03:29:17 PM
FOX News:

54% Approve
39% Disapprove

Polling was conducted by telephone September 15-16, 2009, in the evenings. The total sample is 900 registered voters nationwide with a margin of error of ±3 percentage points. Results are of registered voters, unless otherwise noted.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/091709_poll.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 17, 2009, 03:29:51 PM
Updated with Virginia...

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If the election was today, I would predict this as the map...

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 17, 2009, 03:41:36 PM
FOX News:

54% Approve
39% Disapprove

Polling was conducted by telephone September 15-16, 2009, in the evenings. The total sample is 900 registered voters nationwide with a margin of error of ±3 percentage points. Results are of registered voters, unless otherwise noted.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/091709_poll.pdf

Totally haackery for the Dems!!! It's unbelievable.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 17, 2009, 04:18:23 PM
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... I promise: unless Indiana or NE-02 is polled by September 31, it goes "orange". Six months is clearly outdated.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on September 17, 2009, 04:43:36 PM
... I promise: unless Indiana or NE-02 is polled by September 31, it goes "orange". Six months is clearly outdated.

I would make the change on Sept. 30th.  Usually, nothing much of anything happens in the world on Sept. 31st.  :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on September 17, 2009, 05:37:21 PM
GJ with the maps pbrower!

Remember, higher turnout doesn't necessarily benefit Democrats, but those NJ numbers don't hold much weight.

The mountain west is interesting. Obama was very strong there for a Democrat in November, but they seem to not be happy about the gov't spending. Could we see Bennet and Reid ousted in 2010? That seems like a greater possibility every day.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 17, 2009, 05:52:13 PM
Harry Reid is in deep political trouble; he is an ideologue in a moderate state. It could simply that he has passed the "sell-by" date.

Of course, he's not in as bad shape as the Republican Senator from Nevada, reasons having nothing to do with ideology.

Strange things can happen.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pogo stick on September 17, 2009, 06:02:50 PM
Harry Reid is in deep political trouble; he is an ideologue in a moderate state. It could simply that he has passed the "sell-by" date.

Of course, he's not in as bad shape as the Republican Senator from Nevada, reasons having nothing to do with ideology.

Strange things can happen.


Ensign lives in Whorevada the scandal may have made him Safe for all we know.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 18, 2009, 07:15:12 AM
Maine(KOS)

Favorable 68%
Unfavorable 23%

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/9/16/ME/376

LOL Kos, he doesn't he try to hide his bias(or just awfulness).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 18, 2009, 08:49:58 AM
68% allows me to put a beautiful pine-green shade on a pine-rich state (Maine), even if the poll is from the Daily Kos:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 18, 2009, 10:26:29 AM
Nate Silver has an interesting statement on whether 50% approval is the "magic" threshold for winning re-election:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/08/50-percent-is-not-magic-number.html

FiveThirtyEight.com has a graphics-rich page that I can't quite duplicate, so here is a synopsis:

A President with an approval rating of 44% has roughly a fifty-fifty chance of winning re-election nationwide.  With a 50% approval rating his chance of winning re-election is about 90%. Who runs against the President matters greatly; even with a 60% approval rating in Utah, Obama would lose to Romney, and much the same holds true against Huckabee in Arkansas.

An example: in 2004, George W. Bush's last approval rating according to the Gallup Poll was 48% -- and he won barely. Another: Gerald Ford's last approval rating was 45%, and he lost -- barely.  The elder Bush had a 34% approval rating (even if he was a far better President than his son) and lost badly.  Clinton, Nixon, Reagan, Eisenhower, and Reagan had approval ratings from 54% to 74% -- and won decisively. Truman had an approval rating of 39% -- and still won (although he was on a roller-coaster, so to speak).

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President Obama of course has the responsibility to keep his approval rating up, and he can do much of it himself. Much of it will come from elsewhere, like whether the economy does reasonably well (there won't be any speculative boom) and whether there will be no foreign-policy disasters (that may be up to Kim Jong-il and Mahmoud Ahmedinejad). To have a chance against a President with a 47% approval rating, the Republicans will have to run someone effective at getting his point across. John Kerry in 2004 demonstrated how a weakened challenger can assure a bare win for an incumbent President with sub-50% support.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on September 18, 2009, 10:59:56 AM
Harry Reid is in deep political trouble; he is an ideologue in a moderate state. It could simply that he has passed the "sell-by" date.

Of course, he's not in as bad shape as the Republican Senator from Nevada, reasons having nothing to do with ideology.

Strange things can happen.


Indeed, though Ensign has the benefit of time.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 18, 2009, 11:41:04 AM
Maine(KOS)

Favorable 68%
Unfavorable 23%

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/9/16/ME/376

LOL Kos, he doesn't he try to hide his bias(or just awfulness).
This poll is one that just isn't believable, like the Texas one in March that had Obama at 67% approval. Assuming 100% of Democrats and Independants favored Obama, still, at least 17% of Republicans would have to approve of him too.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 18, 2009, 11:51:45 AM
Maine(KOS)

Favorable 68%
Unfavorable 23%

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/9/16/ME/376

LOL Kos, he doesn't he try to hide his bias(or just awfulness).
This poll is one that just isn't believable, like the Texas one in March that had Obama at 67% approval. Assuming 100% of Democrats and Independants favored Obama, still, at least 17% of Republicans would have to approve of him too.

Here's the split:

                           FAV             UNFAV     NO OPINION
ALL                           68              23             9
MEN                           63               29                   8
WOMEN                   73              17                 10
DEMOCRATS           89                5                   6
REPUBLICANS           35              54           11
INDEPENDENTS   74              17                   9
18-29                   72              18                 10
30-44                   71              20                   9
45-59                   65              26                   9
60+                           62              30                   8

Maine is not a normal state; it is one of the most liberal in America, the sort that goes for a Republican nominee for President only  in a 40+ state landslide. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on September 18, 2009, 11:56:29 AM
I can't believe anyone would try to justify that poll. No way does he have a 68% favorable in Maine unless they just like him personally. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 18, 2009, 11:57:04 AM
Maine(KOS)

Favorable 68%
Unfavorable 23%

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/9/16/ME/376

LOL Kos, he doesn't he try to hide his bias(or just awfulness).
This poll is one that just isn't believable, like the Texas one in March that had Obama at 67% approval. Assuming 100% of Democrats and Independants favored Obama, still, at least 17% of Republicans would have to approve of him too.

Here's the split:

                           FAV             UNFAV     NO OPINION
ALL                           68              23             9
MEN                           63               29                   8
WOMEN                   73              17                 10
DEMOCRATS           89                5                   6
REPUBLICANS           35              54           11
INDEPENDENTS   74              17                   9
18-29                   72              18                 10
30-44                   71              20                   9
45-59                   65              26                   9
60+                           62              30                   8

Maine is not a normal state; it is one of the most liberal in America, the sort that goes for a Republican nominee for President only  in a 40+ state landslide. 
Early October it appeared to be close. If the election had been the beginning of October, McCain probably would have won a congressional district. It was also close in 2004. One poll actually had Bush ahead


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 18, 2009, 12:54:16 PM
Obama got 58% in ME. It is hardly one of the "most liberal" states in the country(also evidenced by their opposition to same-sex marriage in the same poll). To think he is 10 points above what he got in 08 is just absurd.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 18, 2009, 12:57:59 PM
Obama got 58% in ME. It is hardly one of the "most liberal" states in the country(also evidenced by their opposition to same-sex marriage in the same poll). To think he is 10 points above what he got in 08 is just absurd.

Now you are mixing up an election with favorables ...

Maybe Mainers just like the person Barack Obama, what they think about his job is a completely different story ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 18, 2009, 01:01:14 PM
Obama got 58% in ME. It is hardly one of the "most liberal" states in the country(also evidenced by their opposition to same-sex marriage in the same poll). To think he is 10 points above what he got in 08 is just absurd.

Now you are mixing up an election with favorables ...

Maybe Mainers just like the person Barack Obama, what they think about his job is a completely different story ...

Eh. I still doubt 68% of Maineians really like him and only 23% don't like him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on September 18, 2009, 01:48:41 PM
Obama got 58% in ME. It is hardly one of the "most liberal" states in the country(also evidenced by their opposition to same-sex marriage in the same poll). To think he is 10 points above what he got in 08 is just absurd.

Now you are mixing up an election with favorables ...

Maybe Mainers just like the person Barack Obama, what they think about his job is a completely different story ...

My point... This isn't approvals, rather favorability, but it's not a shock that it only took p2bower an hour to bump Maine up to 70% on his map, yet he still refuses to add New Jersey or make NE-02 and the like orange.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese on September 18, 2009, 03:05:08 PM
Obama's approval right now is around 50 % !!!!

Oh my start to panic! That's about the approval numbers Reagan, Clinton, and Nixon had in September their first year in office. Clearly Obama doesn't have a shot at being re-elected. ::)

Oh and asuming he's going to win no matter what is equally stupid. And you can't discredit a poll just cause it doesn't agree with you. If that New Jersey poll had shown big approval for him, I'm sure it would have counted.







 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on September 18, 2009, 03:11:56 PM
If you want maps, they you will have to make your own, instead of relying on the unreliable.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on September 18, 2009, 03:38:00 PM
I don't agree with prbrowers logic, but instead of getting mad about it, why not just make your own tracking map?

The Maine poll looks like an outlier, and so does the New Jersey one.

If Obama is at 50% nationwide, his approval will be positive in New Jersey. Obama isn't doing well among independents or Republicans, yet his favorables in Maine is 74% among independents and 35% among Republicans. Doesn't make sense.

Just exercise some common sense people, that's all I'm saying.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 18, 2009, 04:24:42 PM


If the election was today, I would predict this as the map...

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.... lol


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 18, 2009, 04:36:56 PM
Explain. I basically went off polling and 2008 results.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on September 18, 2009, 04:41:31 PM
Well for one thing, New Jersey is not a tossup.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 18, 2009, 04:45:33 PM
Again, the approval rating involves "likely voters" in an odd-year election. Until someone can convince me that odd-year elections have the same level of participation as midterm elections, let alone Presidential elections, I am not going to accept the New Jersey poll except as an expression of how a Governor's campaign is going in the autumn of 2009. Of course the poll is relevant to the gubernatorial race. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on September 18, 2009, 04:46:11 PM
Explain. I basically went off polling and 2008 results.

New Mexico would go blue before Iowa or Wisconsin.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on September 18, 2009, 04:46:20 PM
Well for one thing, New Jersey is not a tossup.

Neither is Wisconsin or Iowa.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: xavier110 on September 18, 2009, 04:49:12 PM
Maine(KOS)

Favorable 68%
Unfavorable 23%

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/9/16/ME/376

LOL Kos, he doesn't he try to hide his bias(or just awfulness).

In that same poll, voters are against same-sex marriage


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Nhoj on September 18, 2009, 04:49:54 PM
Well for one thing, New Jersey is not a tossup.
Yeah and Wisconsin isnt lean R.  i could excuse this if tmth were merely mocking pb for his equally stupid maps but if hes serious...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on September 18, 2009, 04:52:00 PM
Well for one thing, New Jersey is not a tossup.

Of course it's not. There isn't even a presidential election now; this is about approval ratings.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on September 18, 2009, 04:54:35 PM
Well for one thing, New Jersey is not a tossup.

Of course it's not. There isn't even a presidential election now; this is about approval ratings.

My comment specifically refered to tmth's prediction "if the election were held today".


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 18, 2009, 05:04:16 PM
If the election were held today, Obama would obviously win, as a majority (http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama.php) of Americans approve of the job he's doing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Person Man on September 18, 2009, 06:00:43 PM
I can say, at the height of Obama's controversy, what the map will probably look like in a close election-

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foru94 is probably right if Obama only gets about 48% of the vote.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on September 18, 2009, 06:27:10 PM
I don't agree with prbrowers logic, but instead of getting mad about it, why not just make your own tracking map?

The Maine poll looks like an outlier, and so does the New Jersey one.

If Obama is at 50% nationwide, his approval will be positive in New Jersey. Obama isn't doing well among independents or Republicans, yet his favorables in Maine is 74% among independents and 35% among Republicans. Doesn't make sense.

Just exercise some common sense people, that's all I'm saying.

You are forgetting Corzine's impact and the fact that Obama is an open buddy of his.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 18, 2009, 08:29:27 PM
I can say, at the height of Obama's controversy, what the map will probably look like in a close election-

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foru94 is probably right if Obama only gets about 48% of the vote.

Even if Obama only got 48% of the vote, New Jersey would not be a tossup.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 18, 2009, 08:30:55 PM
I don't agree with prbrowers logic, but instead of getting mad about it, why not just make your own tracking map?

The Maine poll looks like an outlier, and so does the New Jersey one.

If Obama is at 50% nationwide, his approval will be positive in New Jersey. Obama isn't doing well among independents or Republicans, yet his favorables in Maine is 74% among independents and 35% among Republicans. Doesn't make sense.

Just exercise some common sense people, that's all I'm saying.

You are forgetting Corzine's impact and the fact that Obama is an open buddy of his.

I know right, I always see those two out bar-hopping together.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Person Man on September 18, 2009, 08:34:43 PM
I can say, at the height of Obama's controversy, what the map will probably look like in a close election-

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foru94 is probably right if Obama only gets about 48% of the vote.

Yes. Actually, I had no idea why I did that. I think even if Corzine can't get to 40% in the next election, Obama will still be able to get to at least 55% in 2012.
I know this because New Jersey probably just hates Corzine for being a total whore and just wants someone else. I think there will be a change of behavior
after just a small time under a far-right freak like Christie. Then again, Rhode Island has a rightie for governor...and there are some red, red states that have
pretty liberal governors. My state SORT OF comes to mind. At least there is Kansas.

Even if Obama only got 48% of the vote, New Jersey would not be a tossup.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on September 18, 2009, 10:38:31 PM
I don't agree with prbrowers logic, but instead of getting mad about it, why not just make your own tracking map?

The Maine poll looks like an outlier, and so does the New Jersey one.

If Obama is at 50% nationwide, his approval will be positive in New Jersey. Obama isn't doing well among independents or Republicans, yet his favorables in Maine is 74% among independents and 35% among Republicans. Doesn't make sense.

Just exercise some common sense people, that's all I'm saying.

You are forgetting Corzine's impact and the fact that Obama is an open buddy of his.

1)No they're not.

2)Just because a Democratic governor is unpopular in a state, it does not mean it will bring Obama's numbers down.

3) That logic works the other way too. Governor Mike Beebe of Arkansas has a really high approval rating, it hasn't helped Obama's approval in Arkansas. And in West Virginia, the two Democratic senators and the governor are all fairly popular I believe, while Obama isn't.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on September 18, 2009, 10:45:48 PM
They are buddies. Why are you denying it?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on September 19, 2009, 12:01:51 PM


You're a Republican. Why are you denying it?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on September 19, 2009, 12:40:48 PM
I'm registered  as a Republican...

Is there a problem?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on September 19, 2009, 01:21:54 PM
I'm registered  as a Republican...

Is there a problem?

Not at all tough guy, but why don't you change your registration on the forum?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on September 19, 2009, 06:32:32 PM
VOTER REGISTRATION-RELATED FIGHT!!!!  VOTER REGISTRATION-RELATED FIGHT!!!!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on September 19, 2009, 08:26:12 PM
VOTER REGISTRATION-RELATED FIGHT!!!!  VOTER REGISTRATION-RELATED FIGHT!!!!
Damn, Alcon! You almost made me pee myself laughing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Person Man on September 19, 2009, 11:05:23 PM
Well, it's a dispicable practice to claim to be an "independent", in an attempt to shift the center. However, its their perogative. What can we do about it? You look like a total dick for calling someone a partisan who claims that they are not a partisan. I do think it is reasonable to call someone out for claiming to be part of a particular party but oppose most its important policies.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on September 20, 2009, 12:09:37 AM
I'm registered  as a Republican...

Is there a problem?

Not at all tough guy, but why don't you change your registration on the forum?

Why do you care? What does this have anything to do with Corzine and Obama being political buddies?

I'm registered to the Republican Party to keep loonies like Lonegan from being on the ballot.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 20, 2009, 12:34:34 AM
Change your avatar. It would be for the best. Just ask Rowanbrandon how free he feels now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 20, 2009, 02:30:21 AM
Virginia (Washington Post):

53% Approve
47% Disapprove

Iowa (Des Moines Register):

53% Approve
41% Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on September 20, 2009, 05:48:28 AM
Change your avatar. It would be for the best. Just ask Rowanbrandon how free he feels now.

Lol RowanBrandon is a joke. He's not a real Republican


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 20, 2009, 07:00:54 AM
Virginia (Washington Post):

53% Approve
47% Disapprove

Iowa (Des Moines Register):

53% Approve
41% Disapprove

Map revised:

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Consider the Virginia result an average.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 20, 2009, 08:25:51 AM
Hahaha, so you include the VA poll when it's positive but dismiss the NJ poll when it's negative. You sir are not just a moron, but a HACK.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on September 20, 2009, 09:28:43 AM

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 20, 2009, 09:50:45 AM

Uhh what? Where have I ever suggested that Obama is going to lose no matter what?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on September 20, 2009, 09:56:57 AM
Change your avatar. It would be for the best. Just ask Rowanbrandon how free he feels now.

No, this is for Iran.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Person Man on September 20, 2009, 10:21:51 AM
Change your avatar. It would be for the best. Just ask Rowanbrandon how free he feels now.

No, this is for Iran.
That's reasonable...for a while at least. I wonder where that Iran thing is going, anyway. I wounder how the first few months of the last revolution were reported. Is this thing eventually going to go away? Maybe if the rebellion gets put down/ the protesters get boreda nd Iran isn't developing nukes after all, maybe we should just go back to ignoring them if they are neither a threat or opportunity.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 20, 2009, 11:53:36 AM
Hahaha, so you include the VA poll when it's positive but dismiss the NJ poll when it's negative. You sir are not just a moron, but a HACK.

The Virginia result comes from an average between a 49-50 and a 53-47 poll.

I maintain that an odd-year election has a significantly-different electorate than an even-year election. The NJ result that some ballyhoo won't likely hold. Show one after the gubernatorial election -- or show that the participation in the election is essentially the same as in 2008 in New Jersey, and I will "unfreeze"  the result.

I recognized recent polls in Wisconsin and Iowa that did not look good for Obama.  Those polls were valid. (So was the one that negated the Iowa poll that showed Obama in trouble there.

I see no difference between rejecting the recent poll in New Jersey and rejecting a poll commissioned by the NAACP or the NRA. Neither does polls, but you can just imagine what bias either would show.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 20, 2009, 11:54:36 AM
Then why are you including ANY VA polls? Those are from a 2009 electorate. You are brain dead.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 20, 2009, 12:17:14 PM
Then why are you including ANY VA polls? Those are from a 2009 electorate. You are brain dead.

Because they are consistent with 2008 and not with an incumbent trying to save a failing governorship.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 20, 2009, 12:28:19 PM

The New Jersey poll relates to a gubernatorial race in 2010.  NH is a 50-50 tie; a lesser tie (let us say 49-49) would be white.

I'll ignore the fact that you posted that the governor race is in 2010...
So basically, from what I understand from how you determine this with the `09 Governor race states, if Obama's negative is higher than positive, it doesn't count because it refers to the 2009 election. BUT, if Obama has a positive rating, the poll is consistant with 2008.

Then why are you including ANY VA polls? Those are from a 2009 electorate. You are brain dead.

Because they are consistent with 2008 and not with an incumbent trying to save a failing governorship.
Are you seriously out of your mind? You are saying the New Jersey poll shouldn't count because they have a bad Governor. That is extremely ignorant. A lot of states have bad Democratic governors, so lets ignore those states too, since Obama will probably have bad approvals there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 20, 2009, 12:42:43 PM
Virginia (Washington Post):

53% Approve
47% Disapprove

Iowa (Des Moines Register):

53% Approve
41% Disapprove

Not bad.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 20, 2009, 01:12:44 PM
Then why are you including ANY VA polls? Those are from a 2009 electorate. You are brain dead.

Because they are consistent with 2008 and not with an incumbent trying to save a failing governorship.

LOL hack.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on September 20, 2009, 02:06:14 PM
p2bower is now spinning himself in circles. None of what he is doing is making a lick of sense.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Person Man on September 20, 2009, 02:37:20 PM
Basically, if we take everything at face value, and adjust Rasmussen numbers to comply with the field, this is what we get:

RCP Average: 53%
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on September 20, 2009, 02:51:22 PM
Hahaha, so you include the VA poll when it's positive but dismiss the NJ poll when it's negative. You sir are not just a moron, but a HACK.

For the third time, why are you advocating for the inclusion of a poll of likely 2009 voters?

Is the Virginia poll likely 2009 voters, too?  If not, why shouldn't it be inclusion?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 20, 2009, 03:39:03 PM
Hahaha, so you include the VA poll when it's positive but dismiss the NJ poll when it's negative. You sir are not just a moron, but a HACK.

For the third time, why are you advocating for the inclusion of a poll of likely 2009 voters?

Is the Virginia poll likely 2009 voters, too?  If not, why shouldn't it be inclusion?

I just want consistency. You either include both VA and NJ polls, or neither. You can't include the VA simply because it's positive and exclude the NJ because it's negative.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on September 20, 2009, 03:44:22 PM
Hahaha, so you include the VA poll when it's positive but dismiss the NJ poll when it's negative. You sir are not just a moron, but a HACK.

For the third time, why are you advocating for the inclusion of a poll of likely 2009 voters?

Is the Virginia poll likely 2009 voters, too?  If not, why shouldn't it be inclusion?

I just want consistency. You either include both VA and NJ polls, or neither. You can't include the VA simply because it's positive and exclude the NJ because it's negative.

Pot calling the kettle black, hack. You are the blue avatar pbrower2


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 20, 2009, 03:45:14 PM
Hahaha, so you include the VA poll when it's positive but dismiss the NJ poll when it's negative. You sir are not just a moron, but a HACK.

For the third time, why are you advocating for the inclusion of a poll of likely 2009 voters?

Is the Virginia poll likely 2009 voters, too?  If not, why shouldn't it be inclusion?

I just want consistency. You either include both VA and NJ polls, or neither. You can't include the VA simply because it's positive and exclude the NJ because it's negative.

Pot calling the kettle black, hack. You are the blue avatar pbrower2
How is Rowan a hack? Because he is conservative and wants a good map on here?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 20, 2009, 03:47:51 PM
Hahaha, so you include the VA poll when it's positive but dismiss the NJ poll when it's negative. You sir are not just a moron, but a HACK.

For the third time, why are you advocating for the inclusion of a poll of likely 2009 voters?

Is the Virginia poll likely 2009 voters, too?  If not, why shouldn't it be inclusion?

I just want consistency. You either include both VA and NJ polls, or neither. You can't include the VA simply because it's positive and exclude the NJ because it's negative.

Pot calling the kettle black, hack. You are the blue avatar pbrower2
How is Rowan a hack? Because he is conservative and wants a good map on here?

Try reading the point that Alcon made.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 20, 2009, 03:51:47 PM
Hahaha, so you include the VA poll when it's positive but dismiss the NJ poll when it's negative. You sir are not just a moron, but a HACK.

For the third time, why are you advocating for the inclusion of a poll of likely 2009 voters?

Is the Virginia poll likely 2009 voters, too?  If not, why shouldn't it be inclusion?

I just want consistency. You either include both VA and NJ polls, or neither. You can't include the VA simply because it's positive and exclude the NJ because it's negative.

Pot calling the kettle black, hack. You are the blue avatar pbrower2
How is Rowan a hack? Because he is conservative and wants a good map on here?

Try reading the point that Alcon made.

Try reading my response.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on September 20, 2009, 05:28:19 PM
Brandon is right.  The WaPo poll is of likely 2009 voters.  You should be consistent if you're going to dismiss the NJ poll for the same reason.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 20, 2009, 05:56:30 PM
Neither of the polls should be used then, not both.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on September 20, 2009, 06:01:18 PM
Neither of the polls should be used then, not both.

Exactly


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 20, 2009, 06:16:05 PM
Neither of the polls should be used then, not both.

Which is the point I've been trying to make. It's about consistency. :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 20, 2009, 07:56:58 PM
Neither of the polls should be used then, not both.

Which is the point I've been trying to make. It's about consistency. :)

Oddly the effect would be to negate the two last polls involving Virginia, which means that the state would remain light-green as it was before the Rasmussen poll that showed a 49-50 split on approval ratings.

The New Jersey poll is of course inconsistent with what is shown in politically-similar states... like Connecticut; if anything it looks like an inversion of what one might expect.     


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on September 20, 2009, 07:58:19 PM
Neither of the polls should be used then, not both.

Which is the point I've been trying to make. It's about consistency. :)

Oddly the effect would be to negate the two last polls involving Virginia, which means that the state would remain light-green as it was before the Rasmussen poll that showed a 49-50 split on approval ratings.

The New Jersey poll is of course inconsistent with what is shown in politically-similar states... like Connecticut; if anything it looks like an inversion of what one might expect.     

Then don't use the stupid Maine outlier either, you incompetent troll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 20, 2009, 08:29:38 PM
Neither of the polls should be used then, not both.

Which is the point I've been trying to make. It's about consistency. :)

Oddly the effect would be to negate the two last polls involving Virginia, which means that the state would remain light-green as it was before the Rasmussen poll that showed a 49-50 split on approval ratings.

The New Jersey poll is of course inconsistent with what is shown in politically-similar states... like Connecticut; if anything it looks like an inversion of what one might expect.     

Then don't use the stupid Maine outlier either, you incompetent troll.

Outliers tend to get whittled down.  Nobody expects Maine to go 68-31 for Obama in 2012; it didn't go 60-40 in 2008. But only if Obama has a catastrophically-incompetent Presidency is Maine in question in 2012 will the state be in question as an Obama win -- and the GOP nominee will win. Just wait; even if the next approval rating for Obama is 64% the shade for Obama becomes less pronounced. 

Maine sticks out because it has a large territory for its electoral vote count. The state has almost the area of Ohio and a fifth the electoral votes. Consider the illusion that a state with a large area and few electoral votes can offer: Montana has roughly the area of Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio combined, and only three electoral votes while the five other states have 79 electoral votes. I have put Maine in the "7" category because of rounding -- and because the most interesting area is between 45 and 55 I don't round up anything from 45 to 54, inclusive. 

Attention is best placed at the states rightly seen as the likely margin of victory in the 2012 election -- Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Ohio, Indiana, Colorado, Arizona, and Nevada... maybe New Mexico, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, New Hampshire, and Pennsylvania showing deep trouble for Obama should he be in electoral trouble.

Much remains unknown -- especially who will be the Republican nominee, whether Obama loses significant support in places that Democrats used to take for granted or whether he can gain support in places in which he got clobbered in 2008. There could be a third-party challenge.  So far this map can show some trends. One of the most obvious is that the honeymoon is over. We shall see how the health-care debate goes soon enough. We will also see whether the right-wing tax revolt is successful in eroding support for the President or whether it peters out. 

All that we have is approval ratings or performance appraisals, and we don't have enough to predict exactly how Obama will fare in 2012. Some states haven't been polled at all, and some of the most recent polls for some states come from this winter. We can see patterns and we can see noise -- the latter, minor variations that mean little.         


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 21, 2009, 10:49:20 AM
TX and MN approvals to be released later today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 21, 2009, 11:54:07 AM
TX and MN approvals to be released later today.

From who?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 21, 2009, 03:56:40 PM
Looks like RAS didn't include a presidential approval in his Franken poll. Weird.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on September 21, 2009, 06:43:02 PM
PPP gives some hints about their upcoming Arizona poll:

The big question on our Arizona poll tomorrow is whether Barack Obama is set up to win the state in 2012, and the answer as of today is no. He is winning 9-10% of the 2008 McCain vote against Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, and Sarah Palin but that's not quite enough.

-Two positive points for Obama from the poll though: only 3% of his 2008 voters disapprove of the job he's doing and independents are split 45-45 on his health care plan. That's the first poll we've done where indies weren't opposed. And he certainly doesn't seem to have a base problem in Arizona.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 21, 2009, 09:10:52 PM
Didn't Pbrower say Obama is a lock to win Arizona?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 21, 2009, 09:45:18 PM
Texas(Rasmussen)

Approve 53%
Disapprove 56%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/texas/most_in_texas_give_public_health_agencies_positive_marks_on_swine_flu_response


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on September 21, 2009, 09:48:57 PM
Texas(Rasmussen)

Approve 53%
Disapprove 56%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/texas/most_in_texas_give_public_health_agencies_positive_marks_on_swine_flu_response

109%?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 21, 2009, 09:49:34 PM
Didn't Pbrower say Obama is a lock to win Arizona?

No!

I haven't said that he is a lock to win re-election; he can still fail badly as President. Likely? I doubt it. He just has too many political skills.  

I have said that Senator John Kyl wins the state should he be the Republican nominee for President or Vice-President. The first is unlikely; the second is as likely as many others. Favorite Son effect is real, but not 100% effective.  It means much free media access by a candidate, that his usual campaign apparatus for winning statewide elections (typically for Governor or US Senate)  can seal things up early, and that lots of people have favors to return as votes. It means that he has the pulse of the voting public in that state, and that he need not introduce himself as an outsider. Those are huge advantages, and unless someone contends that John McCain has become a political schmuck in Arizona,  the Favorite Son effect will be significant. It does not remain after the candidate has left. Is anyone ready to say that some other potential GOP nominee of 2008 would have done as well as McCain in Arizona?

Of course such does not apply to a candidate who has never won statewide office -- let's say a big-city mayor or a Representative (Rudy Giuliani may have had that problem in 2008), and it does not apply to someone whose name is poison (example: Rick Santorum is not going to win Pennsylvania). If someone has a reputation as a political lightweight in that state, then the Favorite Son effect doesn't exist.

All that I have said is that if Barack Obama does as well in 2012 with the sorts of voters that he did well with in 2008... he has a good chance of winning Arizona. He has a far better chance of winning Arizona than of winning any Plains state or any of the Clinton-but-not-Obama States of the New Orleans-Wheeling Arc.  He could win Arizona while losing Indiana. He absolutely won't win Arizona in a 50-50 election. 52-47 as in 2008?  Arizona has then about a 50-50 chance of voting for Obama. 53-46?  Maybe 70%. 54-45? About 90% -- and that is with Obama holding North Carolina and Indiana while picking up Missouri and perhaps Montana as well. Anything "beyond" Arizona will be difficult -- even Georgia and the Dakotas. To pick up Georgia he must practically resuscitate the old Clinton coalition, which might cost some electoral votes elsewhere.







 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 21, 2009, 09:59:43 PM
Texas(Rasmussen)

Approve 53%
Disapprove 56%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/texas/most_in_texas_give_public_health_agencies_positive_marks_on_swine_flu_response


It's 43-56.

I forgive the typo.

56% rounds up to 60% for the level of color:

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Come on, Wisconsin, Indiana, and NE-02!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 22, 2009, 12:30:51 AM
Looks like RAS didn't include a presidential approval in his Franken poll. Weird.

Yeah that's odd. I was expecting one.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 22, 2009, 08:39:26 AM
Btw, why did they use an "approval ratings-scale" for Pawlenty but an "excellent/good/fair/poor-scale" for Franken and Klobuchar, that is clearly showing lower numbers for the 2 Dems than approval ratings would ? Maybe Franken would even have POSITIVE approvals ? Yeah, because Rasmussen is a right-wing HACK institute ! :) :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 22, 2009, 08:46:20 AM
Actually Obama's approval is listed on the crosstabs in the premium section:

Approve 55%
Disapprove 45%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/premium_content/state_polls_general/minnesota/crosstabs_minnesota_september_15_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 22, 2009, 10:06:25 AM
2012 Arizona(PPP)

Romney 50%
Obama 43%

Huckabee 49%
Obama 45%

Obama 47%
Palin 47%

Obama Approval: 47/47

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_AZ_922806.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 22, 2009, 01:16:56 PM
Arizona is a 47-47 tie; Minnesota's 55% rounds up (I rounded up Texas, so don't quibble).

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Colorado, Missouri, Montana, and Nevada should be interesting.  Come in Indiana and NE-02, too!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 22, 2009, 01:19:49 PM
Arizona is a 47-47 tie; Minnesota's 55% rounds up (I rounded up Texas, so don't quibble).

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Colorado, Missouri, Montana, and Nevada should be interesting.  Come in Indiana and NE-02, too!


Please stop rounding polls up and down. MN's 55% cannot be rounded up to 60%, because it's 55%-45% and there's a 4% MoE.

BTW: Nobody seems to polls IN, a really interesting state that has not been polled for 1 year. I have written to PPP to include it in their user choice, but they have never done so ... :(


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 22, 2009, 01:56:17 PM
Arizona is a 47-47 tie; Minnesota's 55% rounds up (I rounded up Texas, so don't quibble).

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Colorado, Missouri, Montana, and Nevada should be interesting.  Come in Indiana and NE-02, too!


Please stop rounding polls up and down. MN's 55% cannot be rounded up to 60%, because it's 55%-45% and there's a 4% MoE.

BTW: Nobody seems to polls IN, a really interesting state that has not been polled for 1 year. I have written to PPP to include it in their user choice, but they have never done so ... :(

I'm going to treat 55% as "5", but 56-64 as "6". 65-74 as "7", 75-84 as "8", and anything above 85 as a "9" (in case someone polls DC). 45-55 is the interesting area, and anything beyond that suggests the possibility of a blowout. That goes just the same for disapprovals, too.

You have a case on 55%; that is a 10% lead, and McCain did take a quixotic effort to win Pennsylvania in the last few weeks -- one that few Democrats thought could succeed. 

I'm going to start treating states with polls older than six months as "unpolled". So the orange disappears:

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Romney would absolutely crush Obama in Utah, so I will keep that state shaded yellow.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 22, 2009, 02:17:46 PM
New Maryland poll (Yeehaw !) about Obama to be released tomorrow.

Here's the first part of it:

http://wbal.com/apps/news/articlefiles/36023-Maryland%20Media%20Poll%20Part%201%20September%202009.doc

Good to see a popular Democratic Governor once in a while ... :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on September 22, 2009, 09:10:18 PM
Arizona is a 47-47 tie; Minnesota's 55% rounds up (I rounded up Texas, so don't quibble).

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Colorado, Missouri, Montana, and Nevada should be interesting.  Come in Indiana and NE-02, too!


Please stop rounding polls up and down. MN's 55% cannot be rounded up to 60%, because it's 55%-45% and there's a 4% MoE.

BTW: Nobody seems to polls IN, a really interesting state that has not been polled for 1 year. I have written to PPP to include it in their user choice, but they have never done so ... :(

I'm going to treat 55% as "5", but 56-64 as "6". 65-74 as "7", 75-84 as "8", and anything above 85 as a "9" (in case someone polls DC). 45-55 is the interesting area, and anything beyond that suggests the possibility of a blowout. That goes just the same for disapprovals, too.

You have a case on 55%; that is a 10% lead, and McCain did take a quixotic effort to win Pennsylvania in the last few weeks -- one that few Democrats thought could succeed. 

I'm going to start treating states with polls older than six months as "unpolled". So the orange disappears:

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Romney would absolutely crush Obama in Utah, so I will keep that state shaded yellow.
My map update based on polls for 2012. Anything can change from now until then.
DEM: 284
REP: 250
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 22, 2009, 11:31:57 PM
Wisconsin should be colored red; last month's polls for Iowa and Wisconsin both showed marginal advantages for "Generic Republican"; this month a poll showed Iowa a positive approval for Obama and Minnesota showing a decisive one (55%). Wisconsin is typically between Iowa and Minnesota in its polls, so it's not as if Wisconsin is likely to vote for the Republican if Minnesota and Iowa vote for Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 22, 2009, 11:53:12 PM
LOL @ WI being blue. Obama would kill off any of those current joke Republicans (Huck, Romney, Palin) there. Pawlenty would have a better time there, but would still lose by 5%+


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 23, 2009, 12:10:19 AM
Maryland (Gonzales Research):

60% Favorable
27% Unfavorable

58% Approve
31% Disapprove

This survey was conducted by Gonzales Research & Marketing Strategies from September 8 through September 17, 2009.  A total of 833 registered voters in Maryland were interviewed by telephone. A cross-section of interviews was conducted in each jurisdiction within the state to reflect general election voting patterns. The margin of error (MOE), according to customary statistical standards, is no more than plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/20085013/Maryland-Media-Poll-Part-Two-September-2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 23, 2009, 12:25:45 AM
Georgia (Strategic Vision):

35% Approve
58% Disapprove

The results are based on telephone interviews with 800 likely voters in Georgia, aged 18+, and conducted September 18-20, 2009 by telephone. The margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.

http://www.strategicvision.biz/political/georgia_poll_092309.htm

New York (Siena Research Institute):

65% Favorable
31% Unfavorable

This SRI survey was conducted September 13-17, 2009 by telephone calls to 792 New York State registered voters. It has a margin of error of + 3.5 percentage points. Data was statistically adjusted by age, gender, party and geography to ensure representativeness. Sampling was conducted via random digit dialing weighted to reflect known population patterns.

http://www.siena.edu/pages/1167.asp


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 23, 2009, 12:32:07 AM
New Jersey (Rasmussen):

53% Approve
47% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in New Jersey was conducted by Rasmussen Reports September 21, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2009/new_jersey/election_2009_new_jersey_governor


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 23, 2009, 07:25:56 AM
Missouri(Rasmussen)

Approve 44%
Disapprove 56%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/missouri/toplines/toplines_2010_missouri_senate_september_21_2009

It'll be very interesting to see if Pbrower includes the NJ poll on his map.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Person Man on September 23, 2009, 09:11:11 AM
Wisconsin should be colored red; last month's polls for Iowa and Wisconsin both showed marginal advantages for "Generic Republican"; this month a poll showed Iowa a positive approval for Obama and Minnesota showing a decisive one (55%). Wisconsin is typically between Iowa and Minnesota in its polls, so it's not as if Wisconsin is likely to vote for the Republican if Minnesota and Iowa vote for Obama.
It's best not really to look at job approval ratings right now. I want to see more polling where Obama is under 50%, but is based on a pollster that has Obama's national approval under 50%. At least we will learn about states that the GOP or Obama might be able to firewall early (swings states that already swung).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 23, 2009, 09:59:15 AM
GA, MD, MO, NJ, NY -- MD for the first time, but no surprise there.

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I'm a bit surprised about Missouri. I'd expect it to be much closer than it is. Strategic Vision is an R-leaning poll, but a 56% disapproval rate is outside the MOE.

I have frequently said that the Age Wave alone could push Missouri into an Obama pick-up in 2012. It's not the whole of political reality; it works on the margin.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on September 23, 2009, 10:05:25 AM
Wouldn't it be easier to just put the number for the month?  I think we all know those a little better.  And this is a political forum after all, so it's not like we're going to think California and Nevada both have 9EVs.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on September 23, 2009, 10:22:03 AM
I thought you weren't using NJ samples of likely 2009 voters?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 23, 2009, 10:47:03 AM
Wouldn't it be easier to just put the number for the month?  I think we all know those a little better.  And this is a political forum after all, so it's not like we're going to think California and Nevada both have 9EVs.

The I means that the latest useful poll came from the ninth month of the year (September). When a state was most recently polled matters greatly. One time this year Obama had a positive approval rating in , of all places, Utah.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on September 23, 2009, 10:53:55 AM
After a year I think it's safe to drop the poll from the map.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 23, 2009, 11:09:16 AM
I thought you weren't using NJ samples of likely 2009 voters?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 23, 2009, 11:13:27 AM
Pbrower, what makes this NJ poll different than the NJ poll that you rejected before?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on September 23, 2009, 11:16:52 AM
Pbrower, what makes this NJ poll different than the NJ poll that you rejected before?

It gives Obama a net positive approval rating.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on September 23, 2009, 11:23:25 AM
Well, that NJ poll was added very quickly, despite including only 2009 likely voters.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 23, 2009, 11:50:28 AM
I'm a bit surprised about Missouri. I'd expect it to be much closer than it is.

It's OK I guess, because MO was about 4% more Republican last year than the nation.

If Rasmussen has Obama at 49% or 50% approval, 44% looks fine, because we also have to notice that MO is trending away from the Democratic Presidential Candidate since 5 or 6 elections now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 23, 2009, 12:09:13 PM
New RAS stuff from Iowa to be released at 5pm ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 23, 2009, 01:32:27 PM
Well, that NJ poll was added very quickly, despite including only 2009 likely voters.

Probably low, but the direction makes sense.

No way is New Jersey more R than America as a whole!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 23, 2009, 01:33:53 PM
Well, that NJ poll was added very quickly, despite including only 2009 likely voters.

Probably low, but the direction makes sense.

No way is New Jersey more R than America as a whole!

It still doesn't make sense why you included this NJ poll and not the previous one.

Why won't you answer the simple question of why?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on September 23, 2009, 02:09:19 PM
Well, that NJ poll was added very quickly, despite including only 2009 likely voters.

Probably low, but the direction makes sense.

No way is New Jersey more R than America as a whole!

Isn't this map supposed to be just a compilation of polls coming out on Obama's job approvals? It seems like you're just picking which polls you agree with and adding them. NJ is not more R than America, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't add it. Likewise, Maine is not D+20 compared to America, yet you added the ridiculous poll showing Obama at 70% there. I just want consistency, not a map that you want to see.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on September 23, 2009, 02:50:54 PM
Well, that NJ poll was added very quickly, despite including only 2009 likely voters.

Probably low, but the direction makes sense.

No way is New Jersey more R than America as a whole!

Isn't this map supposed to be just a compilation of polls coming out on Obama's job approvals? It seems like you're just picking which polls you agree with and adding them. NJ is not more R than America, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't add it. Likewise, Maine is not D+20 compared to America, yet you added the ridiculous poll showing Obama at 70% there. I just want consistency, not a map that you want to see.

You have to remember, you are talking an Obama hack. In his mind any poll that shows his savior unpopular is just the work of the evil right wing terrorists that are trying to destroy America.

Duh!! ::)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 23, 2009, 03:39:30 PM
Well, that NJ poll was added very quickly, despite including only 2009 likely voters.

Probably low, but the direction makes sense.

No way is New Jersey more R than America as a whole!

Isn't this map supposed to be just a compilation of polls coming out on Obama's job approvals? It seems like you're just picking which polls you agree with and adding them. NJ is not more R than America, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't add it. Likewise, Maine is not D+20 compared to America, yet you added the ridiculous poll showing Obama at 70% there. I just want consistency, not a map that you want to see.

You have to remember, you are talking an Obama hack. In his mind any poll that shows his savior unpopular is just the work of the evil right wing terrorists that are trying to destroy America.

Duh!! ::)

The vast majority of American conservatives seek continual improvement in American life. Most seem to want the best for America, and should President Obama do well, then they do well.

Danger comes from extremists posing this time as conservatives who want Obama to fail so that they can get their pet agenda without qualification. They want him to have one legislative failure after another, and they willingly risk economic failure so long as they can direct America "back" to Jesus or Mammon, whichever they believe in at the time.  In the meantime they will disrupt the political process to make liberals of all kinds look bad, and if we get an economic meltdown that rivals that of 1929-1933, so much the better as a Sign from God that America must return to some old values that have been betrayed.

The early stage of the economic upturn can turn into a mirage. Iran and North Korea are both far more dangerous to the lives of Americans and to genuine friends in Israel and South Korea. Healthcare costs are rising more rapidly than wages and productivity -- and they are crippling our potential to export while giving perverse subsidies to countries that have healthcare systems more sensible than ours. Elected conservatives have no obligation to roll over and play dead -- but they have no prerogative to disrupt the political process.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 23, 2009, 03:42:26 PM
Why do you continue to ignore the question about why you chose to include this NJ poll and rejected the earlier one?

I'm going to keep asking until you answer.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on September 23, 2009, 03:57:42 PM
Why do you continue to ignore the question about why you chose to include this NJ poll and rejected the earlier one?

I'm going to keep asking until you answer.

Do you like banging your head against a wall too?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 23, 2009, 04:20:53 PM
Iowa(Rasmussen)

Approve 48%
Disapprove 49%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/iowa/toplines/toplines_2010_iowa_senate_september_22_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on September 23, 2009, 04:24:57 PM
The last Iowa poll that gave Obama positive approvals was more accurate, so we should keep that one.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on September 23, 2009, 04:25:56 PM
The last Iowa poll that gave Obama positive approvals was more accurate, so we should keep that one.

Actually, this one rounds up to an approval, so don't worry about it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 23, 2009, 05:08:52 PM
Omg, stupid conservatives! It doesn't matter how bad Obama's approvals are. The Age Wave will still cause him to win.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 23, 2009, 05:45:33 PM
Stop jacking each other off in a public forum. It's... weird.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on September 23, 2009, 05:52:50 PM
Why do you continue to ignore the question about why you chose to include this NJ poll and rejected the earlier one?

I'm going to keep asking until you answer.

For the NJ poll showing disapproval of Obama, remind me again what the sample's 2008 vote was? Wasn't it a few points for McCain compared to an actual vote of 57-41? Even if a reasonable expected number of 2008 Obama voters lied about their vote to pollsters over regret/selective memory, that sample was still clearly FAR out of whack with the actual NJ electorate. Not to mention, even the most partisan NJ Republican on this board will acknowledge that Obama's approval rating in NJ should be running at least several points ahead of his national ratings. So Rasmussen showing Obama's national approval/disapproval rating at about -2 to even, Rassy concurrently showin a NJ approval poll a couple points worse is obviously flawed.

In a word, outlier.

Of course, Pbrower, you could just factor that errant NJ poll in to the map anyway just to shut these people up. What the hey? NJ will be back to green--probably to stay--when the next couple poll comes out over the next month and a half.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on September 23, 2009, 06:37:59 PM
Doesn't matter if it's a rogue poll, the next one will correct it. If a new poll doesn't come along, eventually the poll will drop off, like the one for Tennessee.

The simple thing to do would be to include all polls, even ones that don't look correct, or average the last few polls released if you're worried about a single rogue poll corrupting the sample. While we're at it, let's drop the congressional districts, since most polls are of the entire state, not just a single congressional district. People are smart enough to make their own minds up about how the congressional districts lie in relation to the state as a whole.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 23, 2009, 09:19:05 PM
Why do you continue to ignore the question about why you chose to include this NJ poll and rejected the earlier one?

I'm going to keep asking until you answer.

For the NJ poll showing disapproval of Obama, remind me again what the sample's 2008 vote was? Wasn't it a few points for McCain compared to an actual vote of 57-41? Even if a reasonable expected number of 2008 Obama voters lied about their vote to pollsters over regret/selective memory, that sample was still clearly FAR out of whack with the actual NJ electorate. Not to mention, even the most partisan NJ Republican on this board will acknowledge that Obama's approval rating in NJ should be running at least several points ahead of his national ratings. So Rasmussen showing Obama's national approval/disapproval rating at about -2 to even, Rassy concurrently showin a NJ approval poll a couple points worse is obviously flawed.

In a word, outlier.

Of course, Pbrower, you could just factor that errant NJ poll in to the map anyway just to shut these people up. What the hey? NJ will be back to green--probably to stay--when the next couple poll comes out over the next month and a half.

It would fit that way -- as would the two polls involving Iowa.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 23, 2009, 11:48:49 PM
New Jersey (Strategic Vision):

48% Approve
43% Disapprove

The results of a three-day poll in the state of New Jersey. Results are based on telephone interviews with 800 likely voters in New Jersey, aged 18+, and conducted September 18-20, 2009 by telephone. The margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.

http://www.strategicvision.biz/political/newjersey_poll_092409.htm

TX-28 (R2000):

50% Favorable
45% Unfavorable

This survey was conducted by Research 2000 of Rockville, Maryland. A total of 600 likely voters in the Twenty-Eighth Congressional District were interviewed by telephone September 15 through September 17, 2009.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/9/17/TX/380


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 24, 2009, 05:10:13 AM
New Jersey (Strategic Vision):

48% Approve
43% Disapprove

The results of a three-day poll in the state of New Jersey. Results are based on telephone interviews with 800 likely voters in New Jersey, aged 18+, and conducted September 18-20, 2009 by telephone. The margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.

http://www.strategicvision.biz/political/newjersey_poll_092409.htm

TX-28 (R2000):

50% Favorable
45% Unfavorable

This survey was conducted by Research 2000 of Rockville, Maryland. A total of 600 likely voters in the Twenty-Eighth Congressional District were interviewed by telephone September 15 through September 17, 2009.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/9/17/TX/380

NJ polling is simply wild.

What is it with TX-28? It's a district that stretches from about halfway between Austin and San Antonio to the Mexican border, just skirting Laredo  and holding a small part of San Antonio and some of its eastern and southern suburbs. It is 65% Hispanic; its Cook PVI is even, which means that it on the average can vote as America does. Its Representative, Henry Cuellar, is a so-called Blue Dog Democrat.

This poll is about healthcare, and it is apparently with Obama -- not against him.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 24, 2009, 05:35:53 AM
So you are only including the NJ polls with him over 50%? Makes a helluva lot of sense to me.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 24, 2009, 08:06:15 AM
So you are only including the NJ polls with him over 50%? Makes a helluva lot of sense to me.

The positive polls this month overpower the one negative appraisal. No harm, no foul.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on September 24, 2009, 11:09:09 AM
48% rounds to 50% anyway, as fezzy said, so no big deal. ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 24, 2009, 11:16:21 AM
CA & NY approvals to be released later today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mechaman on September 24, 2009, 11:18:50 AM
Omg, stupid conservatives! It doesn't matter how bad Obama's approvals are. The Age Wave will still cause him to win.

All hail the ALMIGHTY AGE WAVE!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 24, 2009, 12:58:17 PM
New York (Rasmussen):

61% Approve
38% Disapprove

This national telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters was conducted by Rasmussen Reports September 22, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/new_york/new_york_senate_gillibrand_narrowly_leads_pataki


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 24, 2009, 01:07:52 PM
New York (Rasmussen):

61% Approve
38% Disapprove

This national telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters was conducted by Rasmussen Reports September 22, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/new_york/new_york_senate_gillibrand_narrowly_leads_pataki

NY still loves a black.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 24, 2009, 02:12:23 PM
New York (Rasmussen):

61% Approve
38% Disapprove

This national telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters was conducted by Rasmussen Reports September 22, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/new_york/new_york_senate_gillibrand_narrowly_leads_pataki

NY still loves a black.

But hates the other one.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on September 24, 2009, 03:34:44 PM


What is it with TX-28? It's a district that stretches from about halfway between Austin and San Antonio to the Mexican border, just skirting Laredo  and holding a small part of San Antonio and some of its eastern and southern suburbs. It is 65% Hispanic; its Cook PVI is even, which means that it on the average can vote as America does. Its Representative, Henry Cuellar, is a so-called Blue Dog Democrat.

This poll is about healthcare, and it is apparently with Obama -- not against him.   

It has been shown that areas that are poorer than average tend to, quite obviously have more people uninsured. And uninsured people are much more likely to back the health care plan.

A lot of blue dog, socially conservative areas (eg Arkansas) would probably support the health care plan even though they do not like Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 24, 2009, 04:00:32 PM


What is it with TX-28? It's a district that stretches from about halfway between Austin and San Antonio to the Mexican border, just skirting Laredo  and holding a small part of San Antonio and some of its eastern and southern suburbs. It is 65% Hispanic; its Cook PVI is even, which means that it on the average can vote as America does. Its Representative, Henry Cuellar, is a so-called Blue Dog Democrat.

This poll is about healthcare, and it is apparently with Obama -- not against him.   

It has been shown that areas that are poorer than average tend to, quite obviously have more people uninsured. And uninsured people are much more likely to back the health care plan.

A lot of blue dog, socially conservative areas (eg Arkansas) would probably support the health care plan even though they do not like Obama.

Maybe that will push some voters toward Obama in 2012 -- the sorts who voted for Clinton in 1992 and 1996 but for McCain in 2008?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 24, 2009, 04:46:57 PM
OH poll averages a recent one into a tie; old polls for IN and NE-02 are no longer relevant.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 24, 2009, 06:22:58 PM
NY: 2010 Sen, Gov (Marist 9/22)

Marist
9/22/09; 616 registered voters, 4% margin of error
Mode: Live telephone interviews and IVR

New York

Do you think it's right or wrong for the White House to suggest that Governor Paterson should not run for office next year?
27% Right, 62% Wrong

Do you agree or disagree that having David PAterson on the ticket would hurt other Democratic canddiates running in new York next year?
43% Agree, 41% Disagree

Do you want David Paterson to run for governor in 2010, or not?
25% Yes, 63% No

Job Approval
Gov. Paterson: 17% Excellent/Good, 79% Fair/Poor
Pres. Obama: 52 / 46

2010 Senate
Giuliani 51%, Gillibrand 40%
Pataki 45%, Gillibrand 41%


ROFL!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 25, 2009, 01:59:43 AM
New York (Rasmussen):

61% Approve
38% Disapprove

This national telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters was conducted by Rasmussen Reports September 22, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/new_york/new_york_senate_gillibrand_narrowly_leads_pataki

NY still loves a black.

But hates the other one.

Well, yeah.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 25, 2009, 07:14:26 AM
California (Rasmussen):

60% Approve
39% Disapprove

This telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters was conducted by Rasmussen Reports on September 23, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/california/toplines/toplines_2010_california_senate_september_23_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 25, 2009, 08:29:13 AM
Ohio(Rasmussen)

Approve 48%
Disapprove 50%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/ohio/toplines/toplines_2010_ohio_senate_race_september_25_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on September 25, 2009, 11:46:58 AM
Ohio(Rasmussen)

Approve 48%
Disapprove 50%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/ohio/toplines/toplines_2010_ohio_senate_race_september_25_2009

Rounds up to 50% approval nicely. We can keep OH green on the map.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on September 25, 2009, 12:21:47 PM
Gallup:

Approve - 50%
Disapprove - 42%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 25, 2009, 12:53:07 PM
Yes, they do average out slightly above 50% for Obama.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 25, 2009, 12:57:51 PM
Why are we picking and choosing when to average and when not to average?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 25, 2009, 01:08:02 PM
In the same month with no breaking news likely to change events we can find averages between credible pollsters. PPP, Rasmussen, and Strategic Vision are likely to get different results because of different methodologies. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 25, 2009, 01:12:57 PM
You are such a liar. The only reason you are averaging it is because the Ohio poll is negative. If it was positive, you wouldn't be doing any kind of averaging.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 25, 2009, 01:29:34 PM
You are such a liar. The only reason you are averaging it is because the Ohio poll is negative. If it was positive, you wouldn't be doing any kind of averaging.

Wrong! That is to keep recent polls relevant and not simply to decide that the most recent poll within a month supersedes all others. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on September 25, 2009, 02:48:27 PM
You are such a liar. The only reason you are averaging it is because the Ohio poll is negative. If it was positive, you wouldn't be doing any kind of averaging.
agreed
pbrower2a is dishonest ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on September 25, 2009, 03:01:35 PM
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What the hell is so hard about making an honest map without stupid rounding?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 25, 2009, 03:24:49 PM
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What the hell is so hard about making an honest map without stupid rounding?

It's impossible to do so without rounding.

Really, I don't round between 45 and 55, which is the "interesting" zone. A candidate with a 56% approval rate is still closer to 60% than to 50%.

Political activity works at the margins. Big gains and losses are rare -- but telling.


Averaging seems to cause more trouble. I believe that if someone has a 52% approval rating from one poll on Monday, a 44% approval rating on Wednesday, and a 52% approval rating on Friday, is his approval really 52%? It's probably about 49%. Everything -- including polling itself -- entails estimates. Some estimates are more valid than others.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 25, 2009, 03:57:19 PM
You don't make sense, pbrower. Obama's disapproval rating is higher than his approval rating in Ohio, yet you color it green because of rounding? There have been more Virginia polls in the past few weeks that have had Obama yellow, not green, yet you still leave Ohio green.
50% of Ohio residents do no support Obama. Only 48% do. I wouldn't even round if Obama had 59% in a state.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 25, 2009, 05:48:00 PM
Today's trackers:
Rass - 51/48
Gallup - 50/42

Rass is higher than Gallup... is this a sign of the apocalypse or something?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 25, 2009, 09:05:25 PM
Today's trackers:
Rass - 51/48
Gallup - 50/42

Rass is higher than Gallup... is this a sign of the apocalypse or something?

Yeah, but if Gallup pushed undecideds like Rass does, they'd probably still be higher.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 25, 2009, 10:23:12 PM
You don't make sense, pbrower. Obama's disapproval rating is higher than his approval rating in Ohio, yet you color it green because of rounding? There have been more Virginia polls in the past few weeks that have had Obama yellow, not green, yet you still leave Ohio green.
50% of Ohio residents do no support Obama. Only 48% do. I wouldn't even round if Obama had 59% in a state.

It's not rounding; it's averaging. A 49-48 difference, were it so, would still be green because it is positive -- just a very pale green. Turn it around, and it would be yellow.

I do not round between 45 and 55.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 26, 2009, 01:12:31 AM
Colorado (The Tarrance Group (R) for the Colorado Policy Institute):

48% Approve
47% Disapprove

The Tarrance Group is pleased to present the Colorado Policy Institute with the key findings from a survey of voter attitudes in Colorado. These key findings are based on telephone interviews with N=500 “likely” registered voters throughout the State. Responses to this survey were gathered September 16-17, 2009 and the confidence interval associated with a sample of this type is + 4.5%.

http://www.coloradopolicyinstitute.com/Key%20Findings%20CPI%209-21-09.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 26, 2009, 01:30:42 AM
Colorado (The Tarrance Group (R) for the Colorado Policy Institute):

48% Approve
47% Disapprove

The Tarrance Group is pleased to present the Colorado Policy Institute with the key findings from a survey of voter attitudes in Colorado. These key findings are based on telephone interviews with N=500 “likely” registered voters throughout the State. Responses to this survey were gathered September 16-17, 2009 and the confidence interval associated with a sample of this type is + 4.5%.

http://www.coloradopolicyinstitute.com/Key%20Findings%20CPI%209-21-09.pdf


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See? Averaging prevents a sudden lurch of color for Colorado.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 26, 2009, 08:34:30 AM
You shouldn't be including internal partisan polls, as they are notoriously bad(and biased).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 26, 2009, 12:52:27 PM
BUMP !


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 26, 2009, 12:55:57 PM
Today's trackers:

Gallup - 52/41
Rass - 50/49


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on September 26, 2009, 01:47:27 PM
Today's trackers:

Gallup - 52/41
Rass - 50/49

Finally things are back to normal. Gallup should always be higher then Ras.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on September 26, 2009, 04:30:35 PM
Obama's approval seems to stay stable at his Election Day levels (53%). During the town hall meetings and all the outrage over healthcare, his approval dropped to 50%, but he quickly rebounded.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on September 27, 2009, 04:18:11 PM
Other people are allowed to make maps.  Here you go, if you don't like his.  No rounding, no selective averaging, just a report on the results of the most recent polls (only August and September).  Ignore the unchanging Maine and Nebraska month values.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on September 27, 2009, 04:35:00 PM
We should really do separate maps, one of which that has adults/registered voters and the other one with likely voters.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 28, 2009, 11:39:56 AM
Minnesota (Star Tribune):

51% Approve
34% Disapprove

http://www.startribune.com/newsgraphics/62267652.html?elr=KArks8c7PaP3E77K_3c::D3aDhUoaEaD_ec7PaP3iUiacyKUUr

Arizona numbers will also be released later today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on September 28, 2009, 12:08:30 PM
I wish Dave could set up a map like he did for the election polling; so that we can see an unbiased view of the whole.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 28, 2009, 02:57:09 PM
Minnesota (Star Tribune):

51% Approve
34% Disapprove



Weird! The 14% undecided is remarkable.

I figure that people are confused about healthcare reforms.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 28, 2009, 03:08:41 PM
Additionally to Arizona today, Arkansas, Delaware, Kentucky, Louisiana and Virginia numbers will be released by Rasmussen this week, mostly Senate and Obama numbers and Virginia Governor numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on September 28, 2009, 03:55:57 PM
I can't wait until 2012 when that damn Socialist gets voted out of office. His approvals will be 20% on election day. Starting on Jan 20, 2013, Ron Paul will bring Capitalism back to America.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 28, 2009, 04:59:11 PM
I can't wait until 2012 when that damn Socialist gets voted out of office. His approvals will be 20% on election day. Starting on Jan 20, 2013, Ron Paul will bring Capitalism back to America.

LOL.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 28, 2009, 05:20:10 PM
I can't wait until 2012 when that damn Socialist gets voted out of office. His approvals will be 20% on election day. Starting on Jan 20, 2013, Ron Paul will bring Capitalism back to America.

oh hellz yeah!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on September 28, 2009, 05:26:17 PM
Obama's approval seems to stay stable at his Election Day levels (53%). During the town hall meetings and all the outrage over healthcare, his approval dropped to 50%, but he quickly rebounded.

A bounce at 50% after going through the 53% level is not terribly surprising.  In fact, I quite expected it (references past posts).

Numbers-wise, this bounce should extend into the mid-50s or so, maybe upper 50s over the next few months, before turning down again.

If the bounce to 53% is all there is, then the odds go up quite exponentially that his approvals will be above disapprovals by 2010 elections (excluding major outside unexpected events, of course).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: zclark1994 on September 28, 2009, 05:26:45 PM
I can't wait until 2012 when that damn Socialist gets voted out of office. His approvals will be 20% on election day. Starting on Jan 20, 2013, Ron Paul will bring Capitalism back to America.

Haha, lol, Ron paul won't ever win.  He won't get on the Republican ticket or the democrat ticket.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 28, 2009, 06:47:20 PM
I can't wait until 2012 when that damn Socialist gets voted out of office. His approvals will be 20% on election day. Starting on Jan 20, 2013, Ron Paul will bring Capitalism back to America.

The bad socialism began when George W. Bush was President -- when his cronies in Big Business got to him and told him that if the economy didn't recover, he might be in almost as deep trouble as they in the event of a socialist revolution as they would be.

I estimate that we were five years away from a Red Revolution in the autumn of 2008 -- and the "republic" might have a hammer-and-sickle emblem attached to it as well as a proclivity to put tycoons, executives, and their political enablers between a firing squad and a wall. "Red" would mean Bolshevik and bloody -- and not the GOP. We may have gone from five years away from such a revolution to ten years away -- significant progress, of course.

The ideal will be that the bailed-out entities succeed and can give back the bailout funds to an Administration that uses them to pay down the national debt. Such would be a conservative dream -- and a means of ensuring a 40-state landslide for the President of the time. We now have no viable alternative; we must wait for the results. 

The solution for our economic mess is of course more capitalism -- not less. That means small businesses that can't buy access to lobbyists, can't buy off politicians, and can't influence the political process.  Such capitalism appears when the freefall is over. Bloated enterprises staffed with cruel executives and political operatives capable of convincing right-wing politicians that the key to economic growth is letting those companies corner markets and treat people badly are bad capitalism. We are better off with competing businesses; banking worked better when it was a veritable cottage industry. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on September 28, 2009, 07:40:44 PM
One has to wonder if Obama's approvals wouldn't be lower if the "frontrunners" for 2012 weren't so atrocious.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 28, 2009, 10:26:19 PM
One has to wonder if Obama's approvals wouldn't be lower if the "frontrunners" for 2012 weren't so atrocious.

A possible explanation.

Is the talent in the GOP that weak?

Unless Obama fails catastrophically as President (a legislative failure on health care reform is not such a failure), he is unlikely to be defeated in 2012.

It's going to take a new Ronald Reagan -- some charismatic candidate who can not only exude confidence, state his case clearly, make a "conservative" agenda seem moderate, and cut into Democratic support in the so-called Blue Firewall.

That will be tough. The political polarization in 2008 will not vanish of its own accord.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on September 28, 2009, 10:32:39 PM
I actually think it would be better for Democrats to just let Obama lose in 2012. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on September 28, 2009, 10:38:44 PM
I actually think it would be better for Democrats to just let Obama lose in 2012. 
Why do you say that? Democrats want him to win obviously.  They worship the guy like he's god or something.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on September 28, 2009, 10:39:42 PM
One has to wonder if Obama's approvals wouldn't be lower if the "frontrunners" for 2012 weren't so atrocious.

A possible explanation.

Is the talent in the GOP that weak?

Unless Obama fails catastrophically as President (a legislative failure on health care reform is not such a failure), he is unlikely to be defeated in 2012.

It's going to take a new Ronald Reagan -- some charismatic candidate who can not only exude confidence, state his case clearly, make a "conservative" agenda seem moderate, and cut into Democratic support in the so-called Blue Firewall.

That will be tough. The political polarization in 2008 will not vanish of its own accord.
You sir are an Obama leech.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 28, 2009, 10:43:02 PM
Arizona(Rasmussen)

Approve 44%
Disapprove 56%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/arizona/toplines/toplines_2010_arizona_governor_race_september_27_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on September 28, 2009, 10:43:37 PM
Arizona(Rasmussen)

Approve 44%
Disapprove 56%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/arizona/toplines/toplines_2010_arizona_governor_race_september_27_2009

Likely 2010 voters wtf?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mechaman on September 28, 2009, 10:48:26 PM
I actually think it would be better for Democrats to just let Obama lose in 2012. 
Why do you say that? Democrats want him to win obviously.  They worship the guy like he's god or something.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 28, 2009, 10:52:51 PM
Averaging Arizona:

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I still think that as Arizonans recognize that John McCain won't be the GOP nominee for President  they won't be so supportive of "Generic Republican".


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 29, 2009, 12:45:24 AM
Arizona (Rocky Mountain Poll/Behavior Research Center):

47% Excellent/Good
53% Fair/Poor

The poll was conducted among 800 Arizonans (629 were registered voters) from Sept. 9-18. The results were released Sept. 28. The poll has a margin of error of 3.5 percent.

http://azcapitoltimes.com/azpolicywonk/2009/09/28/poll-mccain-obama-kyl-have-similar-approval-ratings-in-az/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 29, 2009, 07:41:32 AM
http://azcapitoltimes.com/azpolicywonk/2009/09/28/poll-mccain-obama-kyl-have-similar-approval-ratings-in-az/

For calibration of Arizona, a contrast between President Barack Obama and the two US Senators from Arizona:

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                              Excellent/Good     Fair     Poor/Very Poor

President Barack Obama 
 
All voters                    47%                 21%             32%
Democrats                  75%                 16%              9%
independents              46%                 23%             31%
Republicans                17%                 25%             58%

U.S. Sen. John McCain (R, AZ)

All Voters                    48%                31%             21%
Democrats                  37%                32%             31%
independents              38%                34%             28%
Republicans                56%                31%             13%

U.S. Sen. Jon Kyl (R, AZ)

All Voters                    44%                32%             24%
Democrats                  26%                31%             43%
independents              29%                35%             36%
Republicans                63%                29%               8%

The two GOP Senators seem no different in public assessment of their effectiveness and popularity than President Obama. This may indicate that the mudflinging efforts of the Right, which have effectively cut at the assessment of Barack Obama have done little to shore up the assessment of Republican politicians. Those efforts have not succeeded in building support for Republican politicians. Political change to the benefit of Republicans will absolutely depend upon the creation of a positive image of Republican politicians.

I consider Senator Jon Kyl a plausible nominee for Vice-President of the United States in 2012.  He would probably enough to keep Arizona from swinging D in 2012.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on September 29, 2009, 08:38:58 AM
Given:

1. McCain is not popular in Arizona (and he isn't)
2. McCain can win Arizona over Obama (and he did)

Conclusion: A "generic," well-liked enough Republican can win Arizona without much hassle.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 29, 2009, 08:39:52 AM
Given:

1. McCain is not popular in Arizona (and he isn't)
2. McCain can win Arizona over Obama (and he did)

Conclusion: A "generic," well-liked enough Republican can win Arizona without much hassle.

Well, Rasmussen's poll today has McCain at a 56-43 approval rating...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 29, 2009, 09:26:56 AM
Given:

1. McCain is not popular in Arizona (and he isn't)
2. McCain can win Arizona over Obama (and he did)

Conclusion: A "generic," well-liked enough Republican can win Arizona without much hassle.

Given:

1. Senator Jon Kyl (R, AZ)is less well-regarded in Arizona than is Barack Obama
2. Senator Jon Kyl is a fair approximation of "Generic Republican"
3. The Favorite Son effect is real and good for about 10% for the Presidency and 5% for the Vice-Presidency

Conclusion:

Jon Kyl would probably keep Arizona from voting for Obama in 2012 as a GOP nominee for either President or Vice-President.

Other Republicans would have trouble in Arizona.

The GOP will be in deep trouble in America on the whole if it barely wins a Republican-leaning state. let alone loses it.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on September 29, 2009, 10:04:14 AM
I consider Senator Jon Kyl a plausible nominee for Vice-President of the United States in 2012.  He would probably enough to keep Arizona from swinging D in 2012.

LOL, you're ridiculous.

In any case, if you're playing the pick-a-vice-president-to-win-a-state game, Arizona is not the sorrt of state you should be going after.  Try a genuine toss up or slight-D state like Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Colorado, or New Hampshire instead.

Kyl is a nobody garbage pick that would be laughed at for its incomprehensibility.

If Republicans can't win Arizona, they've already lost the election, so all else is academic.  McCain could have firewalled North Carolina or Indiana in 2008, but what difference would it have made?  Making the defeat look less brutal?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 29, 2009, 11:20:26 AM
New Rasmussen Arkansas numbers to be released later today at 5pm.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 29, 2009, 11:55:10 AM
New Rasmussen Arkansas numbers to be released later today at 5pm.

I'm sure Obama is kicking ass and taking names over there! Woot!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on September 29, 2009, 12:33:00 PM
Given:

1. McCain is not popular in Arizona (and he isn't)
2. McCain can win Arizona over Obama (and he did)

Conclusion: A "generic," well-liked enough Republican can win Arizona without much hassle.

Given:

1. Senator Jon Kyl (R, AZ)is less well-regarded in Arizona than is Barack Obama
2. Senator Jon Kyl is a fair approximation of "Generic Republican"
3. The Favorite Son effect is real and good for about 10% for the Presidency and 5% for the Vice-Presidency

Conclusion:

Jon Kyl would probably keep Arizona from voting for Obama in 2012 as a GOP nominee for either President or Vice-President.

Other Republicans would have trouble in Arizona.

The GOP will be in deep trouble in America on the whole if it barely wins a Republican-leaning state. let alone loses it.



"Favored Son" doesn't help when the guy is not that popular, overall. It doesn't help much at all with the VP slot.

Legit pollsters are giving Obama negative approvals in AZ.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on September 29, 2009, 01:16:41 PM
I actually think it would be better for Democrats to just let Obama lose in 2012. 

Obama isn't the problem - it's congressional Democrats. He has allowed them to propose too much of his agenda and many feel that has caused his approvals to slip among Independents

The problem with the likes of Pelosi, Waxman, Frank and Rangel is they think they can draft legislation as if the United States were as blue as their districts

Obama, and congressional Democrats, should be building on the ideological coalition that elected him and them - and yes that includes conservatives. The base (52.78%) that elected Obama was liberal 19.58%; moderate 26.40% and conservative 6.80%. And it was enough support from conservatives that made all the difference between Obama winning, and losing, states like North Carolina (15 electoral votes), Indiana (9 electoral votes), Florida (27 electoral votes) and Ohio (20 electoral votes)

Democrats need to be rational and pragmatic moving forward


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 29, 2009, 02:12:35 PM
I consider Senator Jon Kyl a plausible nominee for Vice-President of the United States in 2012.  He would probably enough to keep Arizona from swinging D in 2012.

LOL, you're ridiculous.

In any case, if you're playing the pick-a-vice-president-to-win-a-state game, Arizona is not the sorrt of state you should be going after.  Try a genuine toss up or slight-D state like Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Colorado, or New Hampshire instead.

Kyl is a nobody garbage pick that would be laughed at for its incomprehensibility.

If Republicans can't win Arizona, they've already lost the election, so all else is academic.  McCain could have firewalled North Carolina or Indiana in 2008, but what difference would it have made?  Making the defeat look less brutal?

GOP talent in 2012 is thin. I just wanted someone to discuss Jon Kyl. Could he be chosen for ideological coherence with one of the major figures?

Genuine tossups in a 50-50 election are Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, Ohio, Virginia, and Wisconsin.  Pennsylvania is the sort of State that the GOP wins to get 320 EV, and Michigan is about as far from being a tossup in a 50-50 election as is Texas in a 50-50 election.

A Southern right-winger has no chance of cutting into the Blue Firewall.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on September 29, 2009, 05:10:41 PM

Arkansas:

Approve: 37%

Disapprove: 62%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arkansas/toplines/toplines_2010_arkansas_senate_race_september_28_2009 (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arkansas/toplines/toplines_2010_arkansas_senate_race_september_28_2009)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on September 29, 2009, 05:11:35 PM
Arkansas:

Approve: 37%

Disapprove: 62%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arkansas/toplines/toplines_2010_arkansas_senate_race_september_28_2009 (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arkansas/toplines/toplines_2010_arkansas_senate_race_september_28_2009)

Strongly Disapprove well over 50% too.  Doesn't seem to be all that much substance to the idea of white southern voters swinging Democratic more than any group in '12.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 29, 2009, 06:20:40 PM

Arkansas:

Approve: 37%

Disapprove: 62%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arkansas/toplines/toplines_2010_arkansas_senate_race_september_28_2009 (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arkansas/toplines/toplines_2010_arkansas_senate_race_september_28_2009)

Aww shucks. i thought Obama would be hitting 60% of the vote in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 29, 2009, 09:10:07 PM
Arkansas again, and it doesn't look pretty to Democrats even as an average:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 30, 2009, 01:16:35 AM
NC (Civitas):

44% Approve
46% Disapprove

http://www.nccivitas.org/media/poll-results/health-care-reform-flash-poll


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 30, 2009, 01:25:00 AM
Arizona (ASU/Cronkite/Eight):

49% Approve
44% Disapprove

"While 79 percent of Democrats and 53 percent of independents give the president positive ratings, only 18 percent of Republicans say he is doing a good job."

The poll was conducted by the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication at Arizona State University and Eight/KAET. The statewide sample of 724 registered voters was 37 percent Republican, 34 percent Democrat and 29 percent Independent. Fifty-nine percent of the interviews were conducted in Maricopa County, 16 percent in Pima County and 25 percent in Arizona’s other counties. Forty-eight percent of the voters interviewed are men and 52 percent are women. The sampling error for the survey was plus or minus 3.6 percent.

http://www.azpbs.org/horizon/poll/2009/9-29-09.htm


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 30, 2009, 07:40:19 AM
New Jersey (Quinnipiac):

56% Approve
39% Disapprove

From September 23 - 28, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,188 New Jersey likely voters, with a margin of error of +/- 2.8 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1377


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 30, 2009, 08:20:11 AM

Here we go again with two states (AZ, NC) that the GOP nominee can't afford to lose in 2012, and a fairly-large one out of reach for the GOP except in a landslide (NJ):

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on September 30, 2009, 09:38:29 AM
New Jersey is out of reach except in a landslide?  It's only 8% more Democratic than the country.  That's barely more than Obama won by.  Was 2012 a landslide?  Conversely Texas is 19% more Republican than the country, yet is almost certain to be competitive?  What logic suggests this?  And for the record, Michigan is about half as far from the national average as Texas, so stop trying to compare the two.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on September 30, 2009, 10:41:23 AM
you can't tell a hack anything.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on September 30, 2009, 10:58:04 AM


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on September 30, 2009, 11:45:09 AM
New Jersey is out of reach except in a landslide?  It's only 8% more Democratic than the country.  That's barely more than Obama won by.  Was 2012 a landslide?  Conversely Texas is 19% more Republican than the country, yet is almost certain to be competitive?  What logic suggests this?  And for the record, Michigan is about half as far from the national average as Texas, so stop trying to compare the two.

I think I can take this one for pbower2.

The age wave, you see, is causing a dramatic shift in the direction of the Democratic Party. The states Obama won in 2008 are now dubbed "the blue firewall," meaning its almost certain that any Democratic nominee will begin with 365 electoral votes before any primary votes have been cast. New Jersey is in that firewall and is basically unwinnible for any far-rightist (Republican) for the foreseeable future except if the Republicans are able to steal the next election, which may happen considering they forgot to rig the election machines in 2006 and 2008.

As for your inane Texas argument; what don't you understand? The youth in Texas are overwhelmingly Democratic and Hispanics are switching parties as we speak. It way have been 19% more GOP in 2008, but that is only because the age wave has not taken full effect. I expect it will be a swing state/lean D come 2012 after Obama saves us from certain collapse. If the age wave is as powerful as I am conceding, we can expect a map like this come 2012. The only states that are safe from this tsunami of people who are looking for change are the ones full of Christian bigots, right wing extremists, and idiotic supply siders. Also expect a gigantic swing of southern white voters to Obama in 2012 after his stimulus package is in full effect, netting Arkansas, Kentucky and West Virginia. They will realize Obama's policies benefit them much more than the Republican tax cuts for the rich and corporate welfare. America has woken up and rejected the theocracy/fascist regime we were forced to live in during the Bush years!

As for my accurate map:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 30, 2009, 01:01:17 PM

New Jersey is out of reach except in a landslide?  It's only 8% more Democratic than the country.  That's barely more than Obama won by.  Was 2012 a landslide?  Conversely Texas is 19% more Republican than the country, yet is almost certain to be competitive?  What logic suggests this?  And for the record, Michigan is about half as far from the national average as Texas, so stop trying to compare the two.

Let's put it this way: if New Jersey goes GOP, then the GOP has a landslide.  If you accept that the eighteen states and DC that haven't voted for a Republican nominee for President since 1988 all went by more than 10% for Obama and will comprise about 240 electoral votes (in other words, if the GOP nominee manages to win everything else, which would be Kerry 2004 without New Mexico or Gore 2000 without Iowa and New Mexico, then that nominee would win about 300 electoral votes. That's about what JFK did in 1960 in a close election.

Beyond that, the GOP nominee has to pick up such states as Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania to get into the range of 340 electoral votes.

In fact the zone between 310 and 360 electoral votes is quite unstable for any Presidential nominee.  A candidate can take low-risk efforts to improve his position when he thinks he has a floor of 250 or so electoral votes -- campaign a little more in a few marginal places, and cut deals with critical special interest groups, and one might do fine. When that floor drops to 220 or so the candidate knows that he is losing badly and must take chances that risk doing far worse or get a slight chance of winning.

So imagine the scenario if Obama knew that he needed about 30 more electoral votes to have a real chance to win, and the only opportunity were a longshot known as Texas, with 34 electoral votes which he has about a 10% chance of winning as states like Iowa and Pennsylvania fade away from him. So he blitzes Texas with ads and campaign appearances.  By doing so he may be exposing himself to losses of states like Michigan and Washington, but what could he do?

(If you think that that is absurd, think of what John McCain tried to do in Pennsylvania late in the 2008 election. His efforts there cost him the chance to win some states that the GOP absolutely needed but that weren't adequate for winning).

Of course, under about 180 electoral votes (about a third of the total, or 2/3 of what is necessary to win), the candidate knows that he has practically no chance and starts thinking about other ways to enhance his political career. Maybe the Senate or the Governor's Mansion isn't so bad after all. 

Texas is out of reach in 2012, and like such states as new Jersey and Michigan it goes into play only when the winning side is on the brink of winning 400+ electoral votes.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 30, 2009, 01:03:03 PM
Virginia (Rasmussen):

52% Approve
48% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2009/virginia/toplines/toplines_virginia_governor_election_september_29_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on September 30, 2009, 01:11:51 PM

New Jersey is out of reach except in a landslide?  It's only 8% more Democratic than the country.  That's barely more than Obama won by.  Was 2012 a landslide?  Conversely Texas is 19% more Republican than the country, yet is almost certain to be competitive?  What logic suggests this?  And for the record, Michigan is about half as far from the national average as Texas, so stop trying to compare the two.

Blah, blah, blah, I like to pull made up rules out of my ass instead of answering questions asked of me when I make up numbers and then decide to ignore the real numbers.

Do you ever get dizzy when you post here?

That post reminded me of Sarah Palin's infamous interview.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 30, 2009, 01:14:41 PM
Maine (Democracy Corps):

62% Approve
34% Disapprove

Based on a survey of 808 registered voters in Maine conducted by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner for Democracy Corps, September 23-27, 2009.  Margin of error 3.5 percent.

http://www.democracycorps.com/wp-content/files/mesw092709fq1web.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 30, 2009, 02:05:32 PM
Virginia (Rasmussen):

52% Approve
48% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2009/virginia/toplines/toplines_virginia_governor_election_september_29_2009

Obama is more popular in Virginia than he is nationally? er...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: jamestroll on September 30, 2009, 02:13:44 PM
Obama is flippin' insane.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 30, 2009, 02:17:23 PM
Virginia (Rasmussen):

52% Approve
48% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2009/virginia/toplines/toplines_virginia_governor_election_september_29_2009

Obama is more popular in Virginia than he is nationally? er...

Well it is Rasmussen.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 30, 2009, 03:26:33 PM
For those who don't like seeing the very dark pine green color on Maine, it does go down a bit to something more credible:


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I'd love to see new results for Indiana, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, and NE-02...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on September 30, 2009, 07:04:27 PM
Virginia (Rasmussen):

52% Approve
48% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2009/virginia/toplines/toplines_virginia_governor_election_september_29_2009

The Deeds numbers don't match up either.  Weird.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on October 01, 2009, 03:38:02 AM
Arkansas again, and it doesn't look pretty to Democrats even as an average:

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Obama could probably get us to 3% unemployment and still lose Arkansas. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 01, 2009, 09:08:36 AM
Pennsylvania (Quinnipiac):

49% Approve
42% Disapprove

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1327.xml?ReleaseID=1379


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 01, 2009, 09:20:18 AM
New Jersey (Monmouth University):

RV: 54% Approve, 33% Disapprove
LV: 52% Approve, 39% Disapprove

http://www.monmouth.edu/polling/admin/polls/MUP29_1.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 01, 2009, 10:06:08 AM
First two October polls:

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Note that I DO NOT round up positive approval polls under 50% even if they are 49-42 (as in Pennsylvania).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on October 01, 2009, 11:36:20 AM
Delaware(Rasmussen)

Approve 54%
Disapprove 45%


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/delaware/toplines/toplines_delaware_senate_september_30_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on October 01, 2009, 11:42:45 AM
I'm guessing this is what the a polling map would look like if the election was held this November..

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on October 01, 2009, 12:03:09 PM
SUSA’s Monthly numbers are out:

Alabama: 37/61
California: 62/33
Iowa: 46/48
Kansas: 39/57
Kentucky: 39/57
Minnesota: 55/40
Missouri: 44/54
New Mexico: 50/45
New York: 63/33
Oregon: 59/37
Virginia: 49/48
Washington: 53/42
Wisconsin: 47/47

http://www.surveyusa.com/50StateTracking.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: marvelrobbins on October 01, 2009, 12:16:09 PM
New Gallup Numbers

Approve 54%(+1)
Disapproval 38%(no change)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Age Wave on October 01, 2009, 01:40:28 PM
What are the current numbers for Pennsylvania?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CultureKing on October 01, 2009, 02:02:04 PM
SUSA’s Monthly numbers are out:

Alabama: 37/61
California: 62/33
Iowa: 46/48
Kansas: 39/57
Kentucky: 39/57
Minnesota: 55/40
Missouri: 44/54
New Mexico: 50/45
New York: 63/33
Oregon: 59/37
Virginia: 49/48
Washington: 53/42
Wisconsin: 47/47

http://www.surveyusa.com/50StateTracking.html


How is it that Obama has such higher approvals in Oregon than Washington?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on October 01, 2009, 02:16:18 PM
SUSA’s Monthly numbers are out:

Alabama: 37/61
California: 62/33
Iowa: 46/48
Kansas: 39/57
Kentucky: 39/57
Minnesota: 55/40
Missouri: 44/54
New Mexico: 50/45
New York: 63/33
Oregon: 59/37
Virginia: 49/48
Washington: 53/42
Wisconsin: 47/47

http://www.surveyusa.com/50StateTracking.html


How is it that Obama has such higher approvals in Oregon than Washington?

WA is more liberal... therefore more disappointed with Obama's pandering and lying and flip-flopping and basically direction-less administration

Possibly


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 01, 2009, 02:25:41 PM
SUSA’s Monthly numbers are out:

Alabama: 37/61
California: 62/33
Iowa: 46/48
Kansas: 39/57
Kentucky: 39/57
Minnesota: 55/40
Missouri: 44/54
New Mexico: 50/45
New York: 63/33
Oregon: 59/37
Virginia: 49/48
Washington: 53/42
Wisconsin: 47/47

http://www.surveyusa.com/50StateTracking.html


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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 01, 2009, 02:29:26 PM
What are the current numbers for Pennsylvania?

49-42 in Quinnipiac's release today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 01, 2009, 02:30:03 PM
SUSA’s Monthly numbers are out:

Alabama: 37/61
California: 62/33
Iowa: 46/48
Kansas: 39/57
Kentucky: 39/57
Minnesota: 55/40
Missouri: 44/54
New Mexico: 50/45
New York: 63/33
Oregon: 59/37
Virginia: 49/48
Washington: 53/42
Wisconsin: 47/47

http://www.surveyusa.com/50StateTracking.html


How is it that Obama has such higher approvals in Oregon than Washington?

WA is more liberal... therefore more disappointed with Obama's pandering and lying and flip-flopping and basically direction-less administration

Possibly

pandering, lying, and flip-flopping... not nearly as much as his predecessor.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on October 01, 2009, 02:33:04 PM
SUSA’s Monthly numbers are out:

Alabama: 37/61
California: 62/33
Iowa: 46/48
Kansas: 39/57
Kentucky: 39/57
Minnesota: 55/40
Missouri: 44/54
New Mexico: 50/45
New York: 63/33
Oregon: 59/37
Virginia: 49/48
Washington: 53/42
Wisconsin: 47/47

http://www.surveyusa.com/50StateTracking.html


How is it that Obama has such higher approvals in Oregon than Washington?

WA is more liberal... therefore more disappointed with Obama's pandering and lying and flip-flopping and basically direction-less administration

Possibly

pandering, lying, and flip-flopping... not nearly as much as his predecessor.

That's isn't true at all. Bush only really flip-flopped on foreign policy things, which could be justified by post-9/11 fear (still not a great excuse) and even so, I though Obama was going to bring the troops home? Yeah, I thought so. Obama is far worse of a liar and flip-flopper and panderer. He is so splineless that his party can control everything yet he can't get his own healthcare plan done. Bush managed to push through a worse healthcare plan with far less favorable numbers (Medicare D)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Age Wave on October 01, 2009, 02:35:24 PM
What are the current numbers for Pennsylvania?

49-42 in Quinnipiac's release today.

Thank you! I figured it'd be higher..


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 01, 2009, 03:21:10 PM
Fox News:

50% Approve
42% Disapprove

Virginia (PPP):

45% Approve
49% Disapprove

Providence (Brown University):

65% Approve
29% Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 01, 2009, 03:45:37 PM


How is it that Obama has such higher approvals in Oregon than Washington?
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WA is more liberal... therefore more disappointed with Obama's pandering and lying and flip-flopping and basically direction-less administration

Possibly

pandering, lying, and flip-flopping... not nearly as much as his predecessor.

That's isn't true at all. Bush only really flip-flopped on foreign policy things, which could be justified by post-9/11 fear (still not a great excuse) and even so, I though Obama was going to bring the troops home? Yeah, I thought so. Obama is far worse of a liar and flip-flopper and panderer. He is so splineless that his party can control everything yet he can't get his own healthcare plan done. Bush managed to push through a worse healthcare plan with far less favorable numbers (Medicare D)

Pandering -- to the money changers

Lying -- lies about non-existent WMDs to get us into a high-profit war in Iraq on behalf of American oil companies.

Flip-flopping? from the definitive free-market (or at least profits Above All Else) to the bailout of failed cronies in the banking industry. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on October 01, 2009, 10:04:20 PM
Interesting, though not unexpected, that Obama is losing ground in the mountain west far faster than in the rest of the country. Wisconsin is a surprise as well.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Nhoj on October 01, 2009, 10:17:31 PM
Interesting, though not unexpected, that Obama is losing ground in the mountain west far faster than in the rest of the country. Wisconsin is a surprise as well.
His numbers improved over last month in Wisconsin. all in all SUSA's monthly poll is very erratic so i would really like another reputable poster to confirm before i make conclusions. But so far susa and maybe a republican internal are all that have polled here.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on October 02, 2009, 04:28:40 AM


How is it that Obama has such higher approvals in Oregon than Washington?
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WA is more liberal... therefore more disappointed with Obama's pandering and lying and flip-flopping and basically direction-less administration

Possibly

pandering, lying, and flip-flopping... not nearly as much as his predecessor.

That's isn't true at all. Bush only really flip-flopped on foreign policy things, which could be justified by post-9/11 fear (still not a great excuse) and even so, I though Obama was going to bring the troops home? Yeah, I thought so. Obama is far worse of a liar and flip-flopper and panderer. He is so splineless that his party can control everything yet he can't get his own healthcare plan done. Bush managed to push through a worse healthcare plan with far less favorable numbers (Medicare D)

Pandering -- to the money changers

Lying -- lies about non-existent WMDs to get us into a high-profit war in Iraq on behalf of American oil companies.

Flip-flopping? from the definitive free-market (or at least profits Above All Else) to the bailout of failed cronies in the banking industry. 

You idiotic trolling hack, Bush didn't campaign on that stuff.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on October 02, 2009, 08:06:27 PM
Domestically, George W Bush was spineless. Any one can cut taxes, any one can ramp up spending on the never, never. He neither had the sense nor the guts to make responsible decisions on either taxes or spending - and that was an abdication of responsiblity

Obama is going to have to make tough decisions on both scores. That much is certain. And they won't necessarily be popular either, which will take a spine and, furthermore, demonstrate leadership

Leadership is making decisions that push the ideological comfort zone, rather than comply with it


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on October 02, 2009, 09:05:59 PM
Obama increased spending. That is not different from Bush.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on October 02, 2009, 09:46:40 PM
Obama increased spending. That is not different from Bush.

Because there is one thing that a President can do, ever.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on October 03, 2009, 01:25:41 PM
Obama increased spending. That is not different from Bush.

Yes and in response to the worst economic crisis since the 'Great Depression'

Obama's budget is not George W Bush's budget. Obama's strategy is one of "investment" be it in education, energy and healthcare, and he's committed to a tax policy that rewards WORK :), and that was the nature of largest single tax cut (the Working Families Tax Credit) passed in the AERRA, which the elitist rightwing dogmatoid party in their House alternative to the CBR committed themselves to rolling back

Furthermore, Democrats are committed, moving forward, to "pay-as-you-go", which means any new spending and/or tax cuts have to be offset by cuts in spending and/or tax increases


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on October 03, 2009, 02:07:02 PM
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Furthermore, Democrats are committed, moving forward, to "pay-as-you-go", which means any new spending and/or tax cuts have to be offset by cuts in spending and/or tax increases

Are you being serious? Deficit projections show massive budget deficits in the years ahead (worse than the Bush years).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on October 03, 2009, 04:02:42 PM
On the "More Sensitive" standard at Pollster:

http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama.php#

50.2% Approve
45.0% Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 04, 2009, 02:38:20 AM
Monroe County (Mason-Dixon):

26% Excellent
25% Good
20% Fair
29% Poor

2008: 58% Obama, 41% McCain

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/assets/pdf/A2143666102.PDF


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 04, 2009, 02:44:11 AM
Wisconsin (Wisconsin Policy Research Institute):

57.4% Approve
40.4% Disapprove

The survey of 700 randomly selected Wisconsin adults was conducted by phone with live interviewers from Sept. 27-29.  It was directed by Ken Goldstein, a UW-Madison political science professor, as part of a partnership between the UW Department of Political Science (www.polisci.wisc.edu) and the Wisconsin Policy Research Institute (www.wpri.org). The poll has a margin of error of 3.8 percentage points. The margin of error will be higher for sub-group analysis. The sample of Wisconsin adults was selected by random digit dialing (RDD) of landline phones; cell-only households were not included.

http://www.wpri.org/polls/WPRISeptemberSurveyToplinesSaturday.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 04, 2009, 11:16:21 AM
Wisconsin (Wisconsin Policy Research Institute):

57.4% Approve
40.4% Disapprove

About what I expected.

(with a Virginia poll):

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on October 04, 2009, 11:24:50 AM
Wisconsin (Wisconsin Policy Research Institute):

57.4% Approve
40.4% Disapprove

Good to see, but inaccurate.  Plus, it's all adults, not even just registered voters.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on October 04, 2009, 12:32:55 PM
Monroe County (Mason-Dixon):

26% Excellent
25% Good
20% Fair
29% Poor

2008: 58% Obama, 41% McCain

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/assets/pdf/A2143666102.PDF

"Fair" is not necessarily a negative assessment. That could mean "I approve, but he could be doing better"


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on October 05, 2009, 05:04:23 PM
SUSA’s Monthly numbers are out:

Alabama: 37/61
California: 62/33
Iowa: 46/48
Kansas: 39/57
Kentucky: 39/57
Minnesota: 55/40
Missouri: 44/54
New Mexico: 50/45
New York: 63/33
Oregon: 59/37
Virginia: 49/48
Washington: 53/42
Wisconsin: 47/47

http://www.surveyusa.com/50StateTracking.html


Still extrapolates to 49%-50% approval nationally, not much different than last month.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: xavier110 on October 05, 2009, 06:25:02 PM
Kentucky - Rasmussen
47% Approve
53% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/kentucky/toplines/toplines_2010_kentucky_senate_september_30_2009

Don't ask!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on October 05, 2009, 06:28:18 PM
wtf

Well, that's cool, I guess.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 05, 2009, 11:22:21 PM
Kentucky - Rasmussen
47% Approve
53% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/kentucky/toplines/toplines_2010_kentucky_senate_september_30_2009

Don't ask!

Kentucky? Momentous!

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Should the GOP have to defend Kentucky, then it has lost.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on October 05, 2009, 11:27:16 PM
A five-margin disapproval in Kentucky, the same day SUSA shows an 18-point disapproval, is "momentous"?

And I would point out the ludicrousness of Kentucky randomly being the tipping-point state, and one poll being the grounds to ignoring national polls, but...eh.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 06, 2009, 12:45:23 AM

You mean like New Jersey was momentous in the other direction?  ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on October 06, 2009, 11:46:53 AM
Should the Democrats have to defend New Jersey, then it has lost.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on October 06, 2009, 11:52:35 AM
Should the Democrats have to defend New Jersey, then it has lost.

Christie can't even beat Corzine and you think one these jokers is going to give Obama a run for his money there?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 06, 2009, 02:20:18 PM
Should the Democrats have to defend New Jersey, then it has lost.



Of course. New Jersey is about as far away from being a Republican pickoff in a 50-50 election as Kentucky is from being a Democratic pickoff in a 50-50 election. I look at the 2008 election, and rather few states were really close. McCain won it by a 16.22% margin, which is in the range of the states that Clinton won but Obama got clobbered in. A bigger margin than Texas, mind you.

The five-point margin surprises me, but it is from Rasmussen, so what do you want to believe? I've ordinarily thought Rasmusseen R-leaning, so it's unlikely to be an outlier.   I'd like to see corroboration in polls in other states that voted like Kentucky in the last 20 years (Arkansas, Louisiana, Tennessee, and West Virginia) -- or debunking.   

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on October 06, 2009, 05:04:32 PM
Nope. Kentucky is R+23, New Jersey is D+8


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajc0918 on October 06, 2009, 05:18:18 PM
Nope. Kentucky is R+23, New Jersey is D+8

Actually Kentucky is R+11 and New Jersey is D+7. I got these from wiki so they could be wrong.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on October 06, 2009, 08:26:49 PM
Of course. New Jersey is about as far away from being a Republican pickoff in a 50-50 election as Kentucky is from being a Democratic pickoff in a 50-50 election.

I don't know where you keep coming up with these total bullshit comparisons.  Kentucky was 23.49% more Republican than the country, New Jersey was 8.26% more Democratic.  Not even close to being comparable.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 07, 2009, 12:25:42 AM
Rasmussen has overtaken Gallup:

51-49 vs. 50-43

AP-GfK:

56% Approve
39% Disapprove

NJ (Rasmussen):

57% Approve
42% Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on October 07, 2009, 12:50:48 AM
Of course. New Jersey is about as far away from being a Republican pickoff in a 50-50 election as Kentucky is from being a Democratic pickoff in a 50-50 election.

I don't know where you keep coming up with these total bullshit comparisons.  Kentucky was 23.49% more Republican than the country, New Jersey was 8.26% more Democratic.  Not even close to being comparable.

Going by the 2008 results, New Jersey was four points more Democratic than the nation as a whole and Kentucky 11 points more Republican. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 07, 2009, 08:13:43 AM
California (Field Poll):

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on October 07, 2009, 08:52:24 AM
Of course. New Jersey is about as far away from being a Republican pickoff in a 50-50 election as Kentucky is from being a Democratic pickoff in a 50-50 election.
I don't know where you keep coming up with these total bullshit comparisons.  Kentucky was 23.49% more Republican than the country, New Jersey was 8.26% more Democratic.  Not even close to being comparable.
Going by the 2008 results, New Jersey was four points more Democratic than the nation as a whole and Kentucky 11 points more Republican. 

McCain won Kentucky by 16.22% added to the 7.27% Obama margin is 23.49% more Republican.
Obama won New Jersey by 15.53% minus the 7.27% margin is 8.26% more Democratic.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 07, 2009, 11:52:27 AM
Obama didn't campaign much in Kentucky... but he did in North Carolina (which he barely won) and Georgia (until he gave it up when he had to defend a few states that he absolutely had to win). Such made a huge difference. About all the campaign activity was the buying of advertising time on Kentucky TV and radio stations in Louisville, Paducah,  Ashland, and southeastern Kentucky that reach into battleground states (Missouri, Indiana, Ohio, and Virginia) .

I don't know how genuine the 47-53 split is; Obama would absolutely not win Kentucky with that sort of disapproval. Mike Huckabee would clearly win Kentucky because his political culture fits Kentucky well. But Romney or Pawlenty? Don't be so sure. The 2008 election was between a d@mnyankee and someone (John McCain) with southern cultural roots. Unless Huckabee wins the Democratic nomination, the 2012 election will be between two d@mnyankee Northerners.

Question: can Obama win over the southern populist vote? That vote turned against him in 2008. But should Obama get populist-like results, that vote might turn on the GOP.

In any event the 2012 US Senate race in Kentucky will be interesting.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on October 07, 2009, 12:00:40 PM
John McCain was southern? He was born in Panama, went to boarding school in Alexandria, and then settled in Arizona. How is he southern?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 07, 2009, 12:15:08 PM
Louisiana (Rasmussen):

41% Approve
59% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/louisiana/toplines/toplines_election_2010_louisiana_senate_race_october_5_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 07, 2009, 12:31:25 PM
North Carolina:

PPP: 45% Approve, 49% Disapprove

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_1006.pdf

Civitas: 44% Approve, 53% Disapprove

http://www.nccivitas.org/media/press-releases/obama-moves-negative-territory


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 07, 2009, 07:51:06 PM
John McCain was southern? He was born in Panama, went to boarding school in Alexandria, and then settled in Arizona. How is he southern?

His family is from Mississippi.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on October 07, 2009, 07:52:10 PM
John McCain was southern? He was born in Panama, went to boarding school in Alexandria, and then settled in Arizona. How is he southern?

His family is from Mississippi.
I bet less than 5% of America knows that. It's a complete non-factor.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 08, 2009, 02:28:34 PM
New Hampshire (UNH/WMUR Granite State Poll):

55% Approve
40% Disapprove

56% Favorable
35% Unfavorable

These findings are based on the latest WMUR Granite State Poll, conducted by the University of New Hampshire Survey Center. 503 randomly selected New Hampshire adults were interviewed by telephone between September 25 and October 2, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/-4.4 percent.

http://www.unh.edu/survey-center/news/pdf/gsp2009_fall_presapp100709.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 08, 2009, 02:39:56 PM
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The odd 50-50 tie in New Hampshire vanishes.

Louisiana update -- it looks as if Obama isn't popular there, but neither is the Republican Senator (understandable in view of a sex scandal)-- or (to my surprise) Governor.  A governor having problems with popularity in his own state (unless he belongs to the minority Party in his state) seems to have greatly-reduced chances of winning a Presidential nomination. 

North Carolina -- two polls, and they average to about 45-51. That's not much of a change from what I showed last time, but it just goes over the line of 50% disapproval, and so the darker hue. Now you see why I average polls out.

Tennessee, anyone? Georgia? South Carolina? Mississippi (which has never been polled since the election)?

It looks as if trust for politicians of all political stripes is down -- way down -- in the South. Conservative Republicans may not be delivering the goods there, and should Obama build trust in that region of America, then Election Night, 2012, will be a very short one for media spin.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on October 08, 2009, 08:06:21 PM
power2, who is green and who is yellow on the map?
Green are states where Obama has a positive approval rating where yellow states are where he doesn't. White is a tie and grey is unpolled/old polling.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 08, 2009, 08:28:14 PM
power2, who is green and who is yellow on the map?

Green -- states in which the approval for Barack Obama is greater than disapproval, as measured in the latest poll or average of most recent polls. Pale green is under 50%; medium green is 50-55%; dark green is 55% to 64%; very dark green is an approval greater than 64%.  

White is an exact tie in which approval and approval are both under 50%. Aqua (which I have used once) is for a rare 50-50 tie.

Shades of yellow indicate disapproval greater than approval for Obama. In such cases, a pale yellow indicates disapproval under 50%, beige disapproval 50% to 55%, and tan disapproval  56% to 65%. Genuine brown indicates disapproval of 55% or more (I have never seen any place with such a polling, but I presume it for Nebraska's Third District (there was an unflattering poll for Nebraska at large, and NE-03 is the arguably the most right-leaning district or State that figures to offer electoral votes.  If Obama's disapproval is 64% in Nebraska at large, then NE-03 probably gives about 70% disapproval.

Gray indicates that the state has never been polled (Alaska, DC, North Dakota,  Mississippi, and Vermont) or most recently showed greater approval than disapproval for Barack Obama six months or more ago (Indiana, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, and Nebraska's Third District. Obama either lost those states or barely won the state or district in 2008 (which would now make such a poll suspect or worthless).

I am not coloring Idaho or Utah gray because nobody has reasonable cause to believe that those states, two of which most strongly voted for John McCain, would reasonably give a positive approval for Obama, and the last poll showed more disapproval than approval. Idaho and Utah surely disapprove more sharply than the pale yellow suggests, but I can't say how much right now.

As it is now, if Obama wins every state now in any shade of green, Vermont, and the District of Columbia (the latter two among the strongest voters for Obama in 2008), he would win re-election in 2012. It's very hard to lose a state when one has 50% or stronger approval in a Presidential election or stronger approval than disapproval.  All of those states voted for Obama by at least 9% in 2008.

Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Nevada, North Carolina, and Virginia have been jumping from one 'camp' to another (Wisconsin and Ohio are in that group).

Do I have a conclusion? Sure!  Political support for Obama is pretty much where it was in 2008 and disapproval is largely where he was voted against. The polarization of American politics remains severe.
      


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 09, 2009, 12:06:22 AM
Virginia (Washington Post):

RV: 58% Approve, 39% Disapprove
LV: 53% Approve, 46% Disapprove

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_100709.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 09, 2009, 12:11:58 AM
Here is a map more of electoral history in America since 1992 than anything else. That's sixteen years and five Presidential elections:

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Eighteen states and the District of Columbia haven't voted for a Republican nominee for President after 1988, and all voted for Obama by a double-digit margin in 2008 -- and those states and DC will account for about 240 electoral votes in 2012 after reapportionment.  It's possible for a Republican nominee to win the Presidential nominee  to win election without those states and without the states (Iowa, New Hampshire, and New Mexico) that barely voted for Dubya once. To win more than 300 electoral votes, the GOP nominee for President  must cut into the so-called Blue Firewall, which requires an effective assault on the political culture in some states best described as aggressively secular and comparatively liberal. A Southern reactionary won't do that job, and will not only lose the whole Blue Firewall but also Iowa, New Hampshire, and New Mexico as well.

Who runs of course matters greatly.

At that point the GOP has plenty of ways to lose -- Virginia, Ohio, or Florida singly, or a combination of Colorado and Nevada. That's before I even discuss such states as North Carolina, Indiana, Missouri, Georgia, Montana, NE-02, or Arizona that Obama wins only if he wins certain other states (he's not going to win North Carolina without winning Virginia, Indiana or Missouri without winning Ohio, Georgia without winning Florida, or Arizona without winning Colorado and Nevada) in an electoral year similar to 2008, or any of the states that Clinton could win but in which Obama got clobbered in in 2008 . Any wins -- or even near-misses -- in any of those states (in green) would suggest that Obama has resuscitated the Clinton coalition with Huckabee not having won the GOP nomination.

Anything in blue hasn't voted for a Democratic nominee for President since at least Jimmy Carter in 1976 or LBJ in 1964, and not one of them was close in 2008. Ignore shades of blue.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on October 09, 2009, 12:16:35 AM
The US should probably just do away with General Elections once and for all and just hold Democrat primaries instead.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 09, 2009, 12:17:14 AM
Only one state (Virginia)

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... but it is absolutely essential to any Republican victory, just like Florida, Ohio, or a combination of Colorado and Nevada.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on October 09, 2009, 08:19:55 AM
Actually Virginia isn't essential. It just increases it's chances, significantly.

The 2010 realignment changes everything.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on October 09, 2009, 08:30:26 AM
Do we think there will be a boost from Obama's Nobel Prize win?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ChrisJG777 on October 09, 2009, 08:37:51 AM
Do we think there will be a boost from Obama's Nobel Prize win?

The way I see it there might be a bit of a boost amongst some people, though at the same time the cynic in me sees others to view Obama less positively, considering how early on in his presidency he received the prize some might see it as coming too early or something like that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on October 09, 2009, 08:42:13 AM
Do we think there will be a boost from Obama's Nobel Prize win?

Only if he turns it down.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 09, 2009, 08:43:50 AM
Actually Virginia isn't essential. It just increases it's chances, significantly.

The 2010 realignment changes everything.

The Republicans haven't won a Presidential election without winning Virginia since 1924. To win the Presidential election without winning Virginia the Republicans would have to pick off either Pennsylvania or two of Iowa, Wisconsin, and Minnesota. Democrats can win and have won without Virginia (1960, 1976, 1992, 1996).  

The Blue Firewall was 248 electoral votes in 2008 and I expect about eight congressional seats to disappear from those states in 2010; Iowa, New Hampshire, and New Mexico comprised 15 electoral votes in 2008 and will be roughly the same in 2012. Virginia might gain a seat. With 14 electoral votes in Virginia and a loss of 8 electoral votes in the Blue Firewall, Obama gets 269 electoral votes and state delegations decide who becomes President. New Mexico wins a Congressional seat, and Obama wins with Virginia.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 09, 2009, 09:20:57 AM
Do we think there will be a boost from Obama's Nobel Prize win?

Any Nobel Peace Prize for President Barack Obama is premature. Obama has yet to bring peace to either Iraq or Afghanistan. For getting a settlement in Korea, Dwight Eisenhower deserved a Nobel Peace Prize far more than does Barack Obama.  He might get credit for not making the same mistakes as George W Bush... but Nobel Prizes are not awarded for "not doing bad" or "not being as bad" as a predecessor.

It's hard to figure the Nobel Prize committee, and the Prize may have been awarded to strengthen the President's standing against nutty regimes in Iran and North Korea. If t takes a Peace Prize to get Ahmedinedjad or Kim Jong-il to do the right thing -- it's better that a Nobel Peace Prize be awarded to a scoundrel than that some scoundrel shoot missiles at Tel Aviv or Seattle. Some sacrifices are worth them.

It's too early to be of any use in the 2012 election.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on October 09, 2009, 10:38:51 AM
Do we think there will be a boost from Obama's Nobel Prize win?

Any Nobel Peace Prize for President Barack Obama is premature.

The understatement of the century.

And, no its not to "strengthen" his hand, its to weaken it. Will the man who got the Nobel Peace Prize vigorously prosecute two wars and use force to stop Iran?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on October 09, 2009, 11:20:49 AM
Do we think there will be a boost from Obama's Nobel Prize win?

Any Nobel Peace Prize for President Barack Obama is premature.

The understatement of the century.

And, no its not to "strengthen" his hand, its to weaken it. Will the man who got the Nobel Peace Prize vigorously prosecute two wars and use force to stop Iran?

I doubt it would have any real impact on his decisions. Hopefully he won't do either of those things anyway though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on October 09, 2009, 06:20:16 PM
Obama's approvals are basically hovering around what the popular vote in the election was. Those who voted for him still approve for the most part though some are probably frustrated with health care. I wonder when one side will start gaining as I cannot see this level of polarization lasting throughout the administration.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on October 09, 2009, 07:12:34 PM
Obama's approvals are basically hovering around what the popular vote in the election was. Those who voted for him still approve for the most part though some are probably frustrated with health care. I wonder when one side will start gaining as I cannot see this level of polarization lasting throughout the administration.

We are a very polarized country.  I could definately see this polarization continuing for quite a while. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on October 10, 2009, 12:16:11 AM
John McCain was southern? He was born in Panama, went to boarding school in Alexandria, and then settled in Arizona. How is he southern?

His family is from Mississippi.
I bet less than 5% of America knows that. It's a complete non-factor.

Less than .05%, you mean. I was unaware of that until just now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 11, 2009, 07:19:29 AM
Nevada (Mason-Dixon):

46% Favorable
43% Unfavorable

This poll was conducted by Mason-Dixon Polling & Research, Inc. of Washington, D.C. from October 6 through October 8, 2009. A total of 500 registered Nevada voters were interviewed statewide by telephone. All stated they vote regularly in state elections.

http://www.lvrj.com/hottopics/politics/polls/october_2009_2_polls.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 11, 2009, 09:13:02 AM
Nevada checks in, and it has nothing to do with any Nobel Peace Prize:

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Really, Nevada is a pipe dream for the GOP in 2012, and not because of the surprising margin for Obama in 2008. If it's close, then a bunch of California Democrats will have such a huge presence in the Obama campaign effort in Nevada, many will even take up legal residence in Nevada so that they can vote there. If it isn't close, then the Obama campaign will do that in Arizona instead.

The GOP can win in 2012 without Nevada, but it would have to win everything else that Bush won in both 2000 and 2004. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on October 11, 2009, 09:40:23 AM
Nevada checks in, and it has nothing to do with any Nobel Peace Prize:

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Really, Nevada is a pipe dream for the GOP in 2012, and not because of the surprising margin for Obama in 2008. If it's close, then a bunch of California Democrats will have such a huge presence in the Obama campaign effort in Nevada, many will even take up legal residence in Nevada so that they can vote there. If it isn't close, then the Obama campaign will do that in Arizona instead.

The GOP can win in 2012 without Nevada, but it would have to win everything else that Bush won in both 2000 and 2004. 

I wouldn't be so sure. Nevada is pretty anti-federal government, at least rural voters are. Now, I don't have any data for Nevada, but I do know that Hispanics are starting to turn against Republicans in Colorado. Now, obviously, by turn against I mean going from 60 approve to 45 approve. Plus, the longer the Las Vegas real estate problems go on, the harder it will be for Democrats to regain those voters.

If Reid is somehow defeated, I think Nevada goes from lean-Dem to toss-up in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on October 11, 2009, 09:42:26 AM
No of course it's a pipe dream! Pbrower knows all!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 11, 2009, 11:59:07 AM
Nevada checks in, and it has nothing to do with any Nobel Peace Prize:

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Really, Nevada is a pipe dream for the GOP in 2012, and not because of the surprising margin for Obama in 2008. If it's close, then a bunch of California Democrats will have such a huge presence in the Obama campaign effort in Nevada, many will even take up legal residence in Nevada so that they can vote there. If it isn't close, then the Obama campaign will do that in Arizona instead.

The GOP can win in 2012 without Nevada, but it would have to win everything else that Bush won in both 2000 and 2004. 

I wouldn't be so sure. Nevada is pretty anti-federal government, at least rural voters are. Now, I don't have any data for Nevada, but I do know that Hispanics are starting to turn against Republicans in Colorado. Now, obviously, by turn against I mean going from 60 approve to 45 approve. Plus, the longer the Las Vegas real estate problems go on, the harder it will be for Democrats to regain those voters.

If Reid is somehow defeated, I think Nevada goes from lean-Dem to toss-up in 2012.

Senator John Ensign is even more vulnerable than Harry Reid -- if for different reasons. Should Ensign have to resign before November 2010, then his successor and Harry Reid will both be similarly vulnerable in a near 50-50 state.

Have you ever been in Nevada outside of Reno and Vegas? Rural Nevada might be firmly Republican, but that's not where the people are. The people are in Greater Reno-Carson City and Greater Las Vegas. A drive on Interstate 80 across the state gives quite a geography lesson; Interstate 80 in Nevada looks little like Interstate 80 in between Joliet and North Platte (farmland, farmland, and more farmland) even without the mountains.  I can only imagine the impression that Interstate 15 in Nevada creates -- one even sharper than Interstate 80 because Interstate 15 goes through outright desert.

Does Nevada have any large population centers outside of Greater Las Vegas and Greater Reno-Carson City? Only if you count such places as Elko, Battle Mountain, Winnemucca, Hawthorne, Ely, and Tonopah that act like large cities because they are in the middle of nowhere other than miles of rangeland in every direction with perhaps a little mining or a military base. Laughlin might as well be part of Vegas, and Henderson is part of Greater Las  Vegas, thank you. 

Urban Nevada seemed very Democratic in 2008, thank you. That's where the people are, and it would have to be split about 51-49 for the Republicans to have a chance in Nevada.

Harry Reid is vulnerable for some unpopular deeds -- mostly in attempting to keep federal lands locked up so that urban Nevada remains overpriced. That has nothing to do with Obama.  His behavior may have made the economic hardships in Las Vegas all the more severe. Obama gets no blame for that. Should the economy pick up at all, Las Vegas will do better, and Obama will get the credit.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 11, 2009, 12:01:53 PM
No of course it's a pipe dream! Pbrower knows all!

No -- I just know how Obama campaigned in 2008 and expect much the same in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on October 11, 2009, 12:07:01 PM
All stated they vote regularly in state elections.

That's kind of a weird model.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 11, 2009, 12:53:25 PM
All stated they vote regularly in state elections.

That's kind of a weird model.

A Senatorial election -- the one in which Harry Reid is apparently vulnerable -- is a statewide election. So is any election that involves someone to complete part of a term of Senator John Ensign should he resign -- and he might.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on October 11, 2009, 01:06:15 PM
No of course it's a pipe dream! Pbrower knows all!

No -- I just know how Obama campaigned in 2008 and expect much the same in 2012.

Obama, unlike McCain, waged a most positive spirited campaign in 2008 (and with that came the positive media coverage) and, God willing, the president will have a positive record to run on in 2012

The McCain-Palin campaign was a sickening spectacle, by comparison. Palin's rallies, during which she incited hatred on the stump towards a political opponent, undoubtedly, alienated many swing voters


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: marvelrobbins on October 11, 2009, 01:28:50 PM
New Gallup Numbers

Approval 56%(+2)
DisApproval 37%(-1)

His best numbers since early August from Gallup.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Saxwsylvania on October 11, 2009, 01:43:53 PM
No of course it's a pipe dream! Pbrower knows all!

No -- I just know how Obama campaigned in 2008 and expect much the same in 2012.

Obama, unlike McCain, waged a most positive spirited campaign in 2008 (and with that came the positive media coverage) and, God willing, the president will have a positive record to run on in 2012

The McCain-Palin campaign was a sickening spectacle, by comparison. Palin's rallies, during which she incited hatred on the stump towards a political opponent, undoubtedly, alienated many swing voters

Correct, Obama ran one of the most positive campaigns of all time.  Throughout the election and this current health care debate, he has not once distorted his opponent's arguments.  Saintly Sarah will go down as one of the most vile, hateful politicians in U.S. history, along the lines of Huey Long or Theodore Bilbo.  Her speeches were directly responsible for the burnings of several black churches in Alabama and the violent death of a census worker.  Meanwhile, President Obama has remained a pragmatic, center-left :) Christian Democrat.  If he wasn't, then why would Hawk support him?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on October 11, 2009, 01:59:32 PM
Obama's gotten a pretty clear bump for some reason: http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama.php

Probably because healthcare looks like it might pass now, as opposed to August? Or Dems and Independents tuning back in?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on October 11, 2009, 02:02:28 PM
LOL Gallup. So he goes from 50/43, to 56/37 in a matter of 4 days? Yeah sure.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajc0918 on October 11, 2009, 02:17:40 PM
LOL Gallup. So he goes from 50/43, to 56/37 in a matter of 4 days? Yeah sure.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on October 11, 2009, 02:21:57 PM
Obama's gotten a pretty clear bump for some reason: http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama.php

Probably because healthcare looks like it might pass now, as opposed to August? Or Dems and Independents tuning back in?

Lief, Lief, Lief! Why would he get a positive bump in the polls if most polls show Americans disapproving of healthcare reform?

Anyway, I can't explain why he went from 50% to 56% in four days. Of course, I can't explain why Obama won the Nobel Prize either. You learn with him that most things that occur occur because of external forces, not something the President actually does. I expect Gallup thought it was appropriate to raise his approvals because he intends to do a better job in the future.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on October 11, 2009, 02:24:59 PM
Lief, Lief, Lief! Why would he get a positive bump in the polls if most polls show Americans disapproving of healthcare reform?

Er... not really. They're pretty mixed, and Americans still strongly support most of the individual parts of the reform package.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on October 11, 2009, 02:33:17 PM
Obama's gotten a pretty clear bump for some reason: http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama.php

Probably because healthcare looks like it might pass now, as opposed to August? Or Dems and Independents tuning back in?

And the noble prize?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 11, 2009, 03:25:18 PM
No of course it's a pipe dream! Pbrower knows all!

No -- I just know how Obama campaigned in 2008 and expect much the same in 2012.

Obama, unlike McCain, waged a most positive spirited campaign in 2008 (and with that came the positive media coverage) and, God willing, the president will have a positive record to run on in 2012

The McCain-Palin campaign was a sickening spectacle, by comparison. Palin's rallies, during which she incited hatred on the stump towards a political opponent, undoubtedly, alienated many swing voters

Add to that -- Obama had as well-organized a campaign as anyone in recent history, and he picked his battles well.

.... I hope that we never see stump speeches as demagogic, divisive, and inflammatory as those of Sarah Palin again from any candidate for President or Vice-President.    


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on October 11, 2009, 04:59:12 PM

ITS A CONSPIRACY


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on October 11, 2009, 07:13:26 PM
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Add to that -- Obama had as well-organized a campaign as anyone in recent history, and he picked his battles well.

Add to that -- Obama had a

a) Bush

b) the economy

c) a stock market meltdown, complete with bank collapses

d) a corrupt media establishment basically working for him, often conforming to his campaign propaganda and covering up anything that could hurt him.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on October 11, 2009, 07:30:38 PM

d) a corrupt media establishment basically working for him, often conforming to his campaign propaganda and covering up anything that could hurt him. 

That was more down to the fact that Obama, unlike McCain, waged a positive spirited campaign considering that the very same media had given their ol' busmate John McCain his free pass since Adam were a lad

With positive campaigns come positive coverage. Fair is fair


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on October 11, 2009, 07:30:59 PM

d) a corrupt media establishment basically working for him, often conforming to his campaign propaganda and covering up anything that could hurt him. 

That was more down to the fact that Obama, unlike McCain, waged a positive spirited campaign

Yeah, according to the media.

Of course McCain's campaign was primarily negative but Obama had a ton of negative stuff thrown at McCain too.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on October 11, 2009, 07:31:34 PM

No, just bad polling.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on October 12, 2009, 09:49:52 AM
I don't see how Obama could get a large bump from winning the Peace Prize. If anything, I expect that winning the prize and donating the money to charity would help his favorability ratings, not approval.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Gallup interviews all adults right? I guess its possible that among all adults, Obama's peace prize may have an effect, because some people don't follow politics closely, and they may approve of Obama now that he won the peace prize because they assume it means he's doing a good job.

I doubt the prize made much of an impact among likely voters.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on October 12, 2009, 09:54:12 AM

The burden of proof is on you then.  The Gallup poll is actually extremely close to all of the other recent polling.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

One of these is not like the others and it isn't Gallup.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: marvelrobbins on October 12, 2009, 12:08:08 PM
Today's gallup numbers

Approval 56%(no Change)
Disapproval 36%(-1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 12, 2009, 01:54:58 PM
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Add to that -- Obama had as well-organized a campaign as anyone in recent history, and he picked his battles well.

Add to that -- Obama had a

a) Bush

b) the economy

c) a stock market meltdown, complete with bank collapses

d) a corrupt media establishment basically working for him, often conforming to his campaign propaganda and covering up anything that could hurt him.


That says nothing about FoX Propaganda Channel.

Obama knows how to attract and keep media attention, and to act so that the attention is neutral at worst. He's always good copy.

In 2012, Obama will still have

1) George W. Bush to kick around, as in

"So and so ... just like George W. Bush".  I can almost see the ads in which some opponent's face morphs into that of George W. Bush.

2) the economy -- and if it is showing steady growth even short of an all-out boom, he can claim that slow growth is best for all. Who wants another speculative boom?

3) the stock market and real estate crash of 2009 in the rear-view mirror fading  into the horizon

4) a legislative record. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on October 12, 2009, 02:20:40 PM
Today's gallup numbers

Approval 56%(no Change)
Disapproval 36%(-1)

Obama is surging.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 12, 2009, 04:39:38 PM
Today's gallup numbers

Approval 56%(no Change)
Disapproval 36%(-1)

Obama is surging.

I'll wait until I see other, non-Gallup  polls to be sure.

56-39 suggests not simply 5% or so across the board, but major changes in patterns of support. Piling on support in New York, New England, or California means nothing. But if you see a virtual tie in Texas, something important is happening.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on October 12, 2009, 05:04:39 PM
Today was Obama's best RCP average (spread) since August 17th.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on October 12, 2009, 07:49:25 PM
Today's gallup numbers

Approval 56%(no Change)
Disapproval 36%(-1)

Obama is surging.

Although my own support for him is pretty tepid at this point, this is good news for obvious reasons.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on October 12, 2009, 09:18:06 PM
Today's gallup numbers

Approval 56%(no Change)
Disapproval 36%(-1)

Obama is surging.

I'll wait until I see other, non-Gallup  polls to be sure.

Er... other non-Gallup polls are showing pretty much exactly the same numbers (except R(epublican)assmussen).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on October 12, 2009, 09:26:41 PM
Gallup will be back down to 52/41 within a week, don't get too excited.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on October 12, 2009, 10:15:03 PM
The analysis by Gallup of their poll says the bump will probably be gone by next week.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on October 14, 2009, 12:09:44 PM
Gallup

Approve 52%(-4)
Disapprove 39%(+3)

BYE BYE BOUNCE!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ChrisJG777 on October 14, 2009, 12:10:56 PM
Gallup

Approve 52%(-4)
Disapprove 39%(+3)

BYE BYE BOUNCE!

It never stood a chance.  :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on October 14, 2009, 01:47:38 PM
Sometimes you get one of those samples.  No biggie.

Technically though, right now (starting in mid-September) to the next few months is when Obama should be bouncing.  At least that's what the chart is telling me.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 14, 2009, 01:55:33 PM
Gallup

Approve 52%(-4)
Disapprove 39%(+3)

BYE BYE BOUNCE!

Just as I told people. Legislative achievements (or their lack) and economic conditions would matter more.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on October 14, 2009, 04:07:02 PM
I haven't seen these posted on the last 2 pages, sorry if these already have been.

Tennessee Obama Approval (MTSU): 46% approve, 48% disapprove

Florida Nobel Prize: (Insider Advantage)
33% think he deserves it
47% think he does not

New Jersey Approval and Nobel Prize: (PPP)
46% approve, 45% disapprove
30% think he deserves the prize, 56% think he does not

Maine Approval (Pan Atlantic): 58% approve, 38% disapprove

Pennsylvania Approval (Susquehanna): 50% approve, 37% disapprove

www.pollster.com


There's good news for both Democrats and Republicans. His approval in Tennessee is surprisingly high, while in New Jersey it's surprisingly low.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on October 14, 2009, 04:12:39 PM
Nice try MTSU. He's not even at 40% in TN. Thanks for playing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on October 14, 2009, 04:17:04 PM
There's good news for both Democrats and Republicans. His approval in Tennessee is surprisingly high, while in New Jersey it's surprisingly low.

This is almost certainly because both of the polls are way off.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on October 14, 2009, 04:20:12 PM
There's good news for both Democrats and Republicans. His approval in Tennessee is surprisingly high, while in New Jersey it's surprisingly low.

This is almost certainly because both of the polls are way off.

Well the NJ poll is of 2009 likely voters so it makes sense when you take that into account(considering the sample was Obama +4).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on October 14, 2009, 09:10:36 PM
Gallup

Approve 52%(-4)
Disapprove 39%(+3)

BYE BYE BOUNCE!

It never stood a chance.  :P

Well, if it had adequate health insurance it may have survived :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 15, 2009, 12:11:05 AM
There's also a new PA poll by Rasmussen:

51% Approve
48% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/pennsylvania/toplines_2010_pennsylvania_senate_election_october_13_2009

Marist National Poll (RV):

53% Approve
41% Disapprove

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/usapolls/us091007/Obama_HC_Economy/Obama%20Approval%20Rating%20Trend%20Table.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ChrisJG777 on October 15, 2009, 04:40:34 AM
Gallup

Approve 52%(-4)
Disapprove 39%(+3)

BYE BYE BOUNCE!

It never stood a chance.  :P

Well, if it had adequate health insurance it may have survived :P

It did, but then the insurance company cut it off over the most minor of technicalities.  :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on October 15, 2009, 12:27:29 PM
57% Job Approval in NJ according to Rasmussen:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2009/new_jersey/election_2009_new_jersey_governor

His visit should be fairly helpful to Corzine.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 15, 2009, 12:55:51 PM
It's a college poll (Mid-Tennessee State University) in a state that has been little polled:
 
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Tennessee. If that state is close (really a statistical tie), then there should be some interesting polls coming up. If the poll shows a genuine move in popular support for Obama, then we ought to see much more green appear (CO, FL, IA, MO, MT, NC  -- maybe IN and NE-02 again).

Of course it is a college poll, and it might have some limitations.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 15, 2009, 01:13:01 PM
New Jersey (Quinnipiac):

55% Approve
40% Disapprove

From October 7 - 12, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,264 New Jersey likely voters, with a margin of error of +/- 2.8 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1385


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 16, 2009, 01:55:28 PM
New Jersey (NY Times):

62% Approve
25% Disapprove

The latest New York Times poll of New Jersey is based on telephone interviews conducted Oct. 9 to 14 with 987 adults throughout the state.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/16/nyregion/16jersey.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on October 16, 2009, 02:00:28 PM
New Jersey (NY Times):

62% Approve
25% Disapprove

The latest New York Times poll of New Jersey is based on telephone interviews conducted Oct. 9 to 14 with 987 adults throughout the state.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/16/nyregion/16jersey.html

Hahaha, what??


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 16, 2009, 02:03:35 PM
New Jersey (NY Times):

62% Approve
25% Disapprove

The latest New York Times poll of New Jersey is based on telephone interviews conducted Oct. 9 to 14 with 987 adults throughout the state.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/16/nyregion/16jersey.html

Hahaha, what??

Go a few posts north. Even Rasmussen has him @ 57% among LV. Quinnipiac at 55%. And the NYT poll isn't even from RV, but from all state adults and this includes many Hispanics, Blacks etc. who are not likely voters, but who approve.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on October 16, 2009, 02:09:32 PM
Yeah, but they don't have a +37 net.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 16, 2009, 02:13:47 PM

That's because they measure "likely" voters: Notice that in the 2008 election only 58% of all New Jersey adults went to the polls and voted for Obama with 57%. So what do we know about the other 42% that did not go to the polls ? They could be a really Obama-friendly but silent crowd and that's pushing up his numbers among adults.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on October 16, 2009, 05:55:42 PM

That's because they measure "likely" voters: Notice that in the 2008 election only 58% of all New Jersey adults went to the polls and voted for Obama with 57%. So what do we know about the other 42% that did not go to the polls ? They could be a really Obama-friendly but silent crowd and that's pushing up his numbers among adults.

Or it could just be more NYT BS.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 17, 2009, 01:52:26 AM
Iowa (R2000/DailyKos):

55% Favorable
36% Unfavorable

The Research 2000 Iowa Poll was conducted from October 12 through October 14, 2009. A total of 600 likely voters who vote regularly in state elections were interviewed statewide by telephone.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/10/14/IA/398

Delaware (R2000/DailyKos):

64% Favorable
32% Unfavorable

The Research 2000 Delaware Poll was conducted from October 12 through October 14, 2009. A total of 600 likely voters who vote regularly in state elections were interviewed statewide by telephone.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/10/14/DE/395


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 17, 2009, 05:34:54 AM
Iowa:

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Not since 1976 has the Democratic Presidential nominee won election without Iowa.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on October 17, 2009, 06:25:54 AM
Iowa:

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Not since 1976 has the Democratic nominee won election without Iowa.
hmm you wish it was favorables :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 17, 2009, 12:54:29 PM


Not since 1976 has the Democratic nominee won election without Iowa.
hmm you wish it was favorables :P

Of course it is possible for a candidate to lose an individual state with a high favorability rating. Obama could have a 65% favorability rating in Utah and lose decisively to Mitt Romney or a similarity rating of a similar level and lose to Mike Huckabee in Arkansas.  But losing under those circumstances requires situations specific to a State to arise.

Obama won 54% of the vote in Iowa, so the favorability rating is close to what one could reasonably expect in 2012 if nothing truly changes.

...It's about time for polls of Colorado, Florida, Indiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska,  the Dakotas, South Carolina, and West Virginia.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 19, 2009, 10:11:26 AM
New IL numbers (RAS) out later today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on October 19, 2009, 11:49:06 AM
Oh. My. Gosh.
Do you not understand that there is a difference between approval ratings and favorable ratings? For example, I favor Bayh, and I like him. But right now, I don't approve of the job he's doing.
If you were actually fair on polling, you would dismiss these polls. But of course, you won't.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 19, 2009, 12:13:44 PM
Illinois (Rasmussen):

56% Approve
44% Disapprove

This telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Illinois was conducted by Rasmussen Reports October 14, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/illinois/toplines/toplines_2010_illinois_senate_october_14_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 19, 2009, 12:44:21 PM
Illinois (Rasmussen):

56% Approve
44% Disapprove

This telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Illinois was conducted by Rasmussen Reports October 14, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/illinois/toplines/toplines_2010_illinois_senate_october_14_2009

All that changes is a letter:

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Please wake me when fresh Florida, Indiana, Missouri, Montana, West Virginia, Arizona, or Colorado polls appear.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on October 19, 2009, 02:42:53 PM
Why I disagree with rounding up:
Your map makes it appear that at least 60% of Illinois residents approve of Obama, when less than 60% does. It is deceiving.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on October 19, 2009, 02:59:16 PM
Why I disagree with rounding up:
Your map makes it appear that at least 60% of Illinois residents approve of Obama, when less than 60% does. It is deceiving.

I agree.

Use the %s in the same way that you would for an election map... I.E. No rounding.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: GLPman on October 19, 2009, 03:59:49 PM
Why I disagree with rounding up:
Your map makes it appear that at least 60% of Illinois residents approve of Obama, when less than 60% does. It is deceiving.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on October 19, 2009, 04:22:49 PM
Why I disagree with rounding up:
Your map makes it appear that at least 60% of Illinois residents approve of Obama, when less than 60% does. It is deceiving.

^^^^

pbrower2a is a left wing drone who tries to make Obama approval look greater than it actually is.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: FloridaRepublican on October 19, 2009, 04:29:39 PM
Tsk tsk tsk...

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 30% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -10. This is the fourth straight day the Approval Index has been in negative double digits"


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on October 19, 2009, 06:47:33 PM
Tsk tsk tsk...

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 30% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -10. This is the fourth straight day the Approval Index has been in negative double digits"

WHY HASN'T OBAMA RESIGNED YET


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 19, 2009, 06:52:23 PM
I don't round up between 45% and 55%.  I see a  bigger distinction between 53% and 56% than between  50% and 53%, largely because 56% is outside the usual margin of error in polls. (Really, 55% is too, but I took enough heat to buckle on that one).   60% (really 56-64%) approvals are rare (look at the map), and 70% approvals might not even exist at times.  

That applies to negative approvals too. If Obama has a disapproval rating of 56%, I round that up too.  

I look more at the likelihood of winning than the likely margin of winning or losing. Surely you can see the very dark shades, too, in the South and the Great Plains region, and I don't underplay those.   All in all, my map is the best surrogate now available for predicting whether Obama would win or not win certain states when we have no idea of who his opponent will be (which would change much). It can show whether Obama would win with approvals as they are at a given time. It can show patterns of regional change in support.

Does anyone doubt that if one started to see lots of pale greens and yellows in New England that Obama would be in trouble there? If I saw a bunch of pale yellows and greens in the South or the Plains, then that would say something about Obama's chances of winning there.

The current pattern looks much like polls did for Obama a year ago, three weeks before November 4, 2008.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 20, 2009, 12:34:31 AM
Why I disagree with rounding up:
Your map makes it appear that at least 60% of Illinois residents approve of Obama, when less than 60% does. It is deceiving.

pbrower2a has a valid point. It`s only 56% in "Rasmussen-World".

There's also another IL poll out and it shows:

(with an opinion)

64% Approve
36% Disapprove

(incl. undecideds)

63% Approve
35% Disapprove

http://paulsimoninstitute.org/images/PDF/simon_institute_poll_results.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 20, 2009, 12:53:50 AM
New Jersey (Monmouth University/Gannett):

53% Approve
39% Disapprove

The Monmouth University/Gannett New Jersey Poll was conducted and analyzed by the Monmouth University Polling Institute research staff. The telephone interviews were collected on October 15-18, 2009 with a statewide random sample of 1,004 likely voters. For results based on this sample, one can say with 95% confidence that the error attributable to sampling has a maximum margin of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.

http://www.monmouth.edu/polling/admin/polls/MUP30_1.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 20, 2009, 09:12:50 AM
New York (Siena College):

65% Favorable
31% Unfavorable

This SRI survey was conducted October 14-18, 2009 by telephone calls to 624 New York State registered voters. It has a margin of error of + 3.9 percentage points. Data was statistically adjusted by age, gender, party and geography to ensure representativeness. Sampling was conducted via random digit dialing weighted to reflect known population patterns.

http://www.siena.edu/uploadedfiles/home/Parents_and_Community/Community_Page/SRI/SNY_Poll/09%20October%20SNY%20Poll%20Release%20--%20Final.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on October 20, 2009, 10:20:18 AM
Why I disagree with rounding up:
Your map makes it appear that at least 60% of Illinois residents approve of Obama, when less than 60% does. It is deceiving.

pbrower2a has a valid point. It`s only 56% in "Rasmussen-World".

*facepalm*

So what if Rasmussen says it is 56%?

I bet pbrower would do this rounding up nonsense no matter who is doing the poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 20, 2009, 01:41:12 PM
Why I disagree with rounding up:
Your map makes it appear that at least 60% of Illinois residents approve of Obama, when less than 60% does. It is deceiving.

pbrower2a has a valid point. It`s only 56% in "Rasmussen-World".

*facepalm*

So what if Rasmussen says it is 56%?

I bet pbrower would do this rounding up nonsense no matter who is doing the poll.

True, except for one thing: I don't consider the rounding "nonsense". I do it both ways, so I am consistent. I average polls less than two weeks apart because a three-day difference between Rasmussen and PPP doesn't mean much.  

If a bunch of polls in September 2012 showed that Obama were ahead 57% to 43% in Michigan and behind 57% to 43% in Texas,  but were ahead 52% to 48% in Florida and behind 52% to 48% in Indiana that he would be bleeding resources from Florida to Texas to make Texas "closer" or from Indiana to Michigan to widen his lead in Michigan? I'd expect exactly the opposite, which is how he did things in 2008.

Until we see lots of statewide individual match-ups (let us say Huckabee 49%, Obama 44% in Arizona or Obama 49%,  Romney 47% in Iowa) the favorability and performance ratings are all that we have.    

At least I show my methods.  Yes, I round up 56% because the difference between 56% and 62% is much less significant in winner-take-all elections than is the difference between 56% and 52%.  I have rounded both ways, and a 56% disapproval rating also rounds to 60%.

Why do I do it this way? Because in 2008, campaigning operated on the margin -- and not on the general level of support. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 21, 2009, 12:38:41 AM
New Quinnipiac Florida and NY polls coming out later today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 21, 2009, 12:50:06 AM
Michigan (EPIC-MRA):

48% Excellent/Good
51% Fair/Poor

51% Favorable
45% Unfavorable

The poll was conducted between Oct. 11-15 of 600 voters and has a margin of error of +/- 4%.

http://woodtv.triton.net/news/epic%20poll%2010209.txt


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 21, 2009, 01:23:19 AM
Michigan (EPIC-MRA):

48% Excellent/Good
51% Fair/Poor

51% Favorable
45% Unfavorable

The poll was conducted between Oct. 11-15 of 600 voters and has a margin of error of +/- 4%.

http://woodtv.triton.net/news/epic%20poll%2010209.txt

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The Michigan result is an average of an approval and a performance rating. Both have been used.

Obama support is shaky in Michigan now -- economy in the sewer? The pale green is marginally above a 50-50 tie. No Democratic nominee for President has won election without Michigan since Jimmy Carter in 1976, and then only because of Michigan's Favorite Son (Gerald Ford).

Cash for Clunkers is over, so that can explain much.  It was popular in Michigan.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 21, 2009, 07:49:15 AM
Florida (Quinnipiac):

48% Approve
46% Disapprove

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1386

New York (Quinnipiac):

62% Approve
32% Disapprove

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1387


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on October 21, 2009, 08:18:24 AM
Favorable are not approvals!
Everyone, please disregard Phacker's map on Michigan. It is false.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on October 21, 2009, 08:43:05 AM

True

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Everyone, please disregard Phacker's map on Michigan. It is false.

"Fair", of course, is not necessarily a negative appraisal


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 21, 2009, 08:54:06 AM
Louisiana (Southern Media and Opinion Research):

45% Excellent/Good
54% Not So Good/Poor

This statewide poll was developed and conducted by Southern Media & Opinion Research, Incorporated and paid for by Lane Grigsby. Interviews for this statewide poll were completed by telephone with 600 likely Louisiana voters from Sunday, October 4, 2009, through Wednesday, October 7, 2009. The overall margin of error for the statewide statistics obtained from the survey data is not greater than plus or minus 4.0 percentage points at the 95% level of confidence.  In other words, there is a 95% certainty that the statistics presented from the results obtained on this survey of 600 likely voters statewide will not be more than 4.0 percentage above or below the figure that would be obtained if all of the likely voters in the state would have been interviewed.

http://www.bayoubuzz.com/News/Louisiana/Politics/Louisiana_Poll__Vitter_Leads_Obama_Hurts_State_Concerned_Over_Cuts__9681.asp


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 21, 2009, 09:00:34 AM
Interesting polls, Florida and Louisiana:

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Sometimes you get what you ask for. Florida isn't that much of a surprise; Obama barely won the state in 2008. Recent polls in Kentucky, Louisiana, and Tennessee suggest that although he would lose those states he wouldn't lose them by as much as in 2008. Could the political polarization of 2008 be abating?



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on October 21, 2009, 09:02:07 AM
Interesting polls, Florida and Louisiana:

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Sometimes you get what you ask for. Florida isn't that much of a surprise; Obama barely won the state in 2008. Recent polls in Kentucky, Louisiana, and Tennessee suggest that although he would lose those states he wouldn't lose them by as much as in 2008. Could the political polarization of 2008 be abating?



No, and you're an idiot if you think it will be close in those states.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 21, 2009, 09:07:43 AM
Favorable are not approvals!
Everyone, please disregard Phacker's map on Michigan. It is false.

Take a look at the title of this thread. There just aren't enough of the polls that you prefer. That is your problem -- not mine. Given a choice I averaged because I have no cause to favor one sort of poll over another.

The average of 51% and 48% is 49.5%. The average of 45% and 51% is 48%. Thus a light-green shade.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 21, 2009, 09:10:26 AM
I agree with Rowan (though not with the idiot part ... :P). There`s a difference in the approval rating and an actual campaign between 2 people. 25% of White People in Lousiana will currently say they approve of Obama, but 10% of them will never vote for Obama, as seen last year, and Obama ends up with 15% of Whites if the election is held now (or even less). Same with Utah: Obama could have 60% approvals there and lose the state by 70-30 today to Romney.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 21, 2009, 09:26:13 AM


Sometimes you get what you ask for. Florida isn't that much of a surprise; Obama barely won the state in 2008. Recent polls in Kentucky, Louisiana, and Tennessee suggest that although he would lose those states he wouldn't lose them by as much as in 2008. Could the political polarization of 2008 be abating?



No, and you're an idiot if you think it will be close in those states.

Florida will almost certainly be close in 2012.

I didn't say that it would be close in Kentucky, Louisiana, or Tennessee; I simply said that it would be closer in 2012 in some of the states that Obama got clobbered in in 2008, perhaps most likely in those states that Bill Clinton won but Obama got crushed in in 2008. Familiarity does not always breed contempt. 



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 21, 2009, 12:11:51 PM
I agree with Rowan (though not with the idiot part ... :P). There`s a difference in the approval rating and an actual campaign between 2 people. 25% of White People in Lousiana will currently say they approve of Obama, but 10% of them will never vote for Obama, as seen last year, and Obama ends up with 15% of Whites if the election is held now (or even less). Same with Utah: Obama could have 60% approvals there and lose the state by 70-30 today to Romney.

1. Why does anyone pay attention to this thread? Because it can show trends that suggest where Obama is gaining or losing support.  Such can show the effectiveness or failure of his legislative agenda and consequences of his foreign policy. Such can show whether Obama is gaining or losing support. For example, if a Gallup poll shows Obama 50-50 in approval, then is it because he is losing support in states that he barely won or in states that weren't close? If he is up 54-45, then is he piling on support in New York and California or is he drawing closer in places like Kentucky and Texas? It can show the shape of the next election.

For example, I could see Obama winning 54-45 in 2012 and picking up "only" Missouri, Montana, and Arizona (age wave and the reversal of the Favorite Son effect that allowed McCain to win Arizona) while adding 2% onto every margin by which he won where he did.  A 54-45 split could also imply the paring of some of the gigantic margins by which Obama won while allowing him to pick off more such states as Kentucky, Georgia, the Dakotas, and even Texas.       

2. Obama campaigned very little in some of the states that he lost by large margins, which includes Kentucky, Tennessee, and Louisiana. He worked margins -- which meant that he made lots of campaign appearances in North Carolina, Indiana, Florida, and Ohio. If he is in any doubt about being re-elected in 2012 he will work the margins again as he did in 2008.

3. You are right that favorable/unfavorable and approval/disapproval ratings three years before the 2012 election won't be relevant in 2012. The ideal is of course head-to-head matchups between two known candidates in active campaigns. The only reasonable certainty will be that barring some tragedy, Barack Obama will be the Democratic nominee for President in 2012. They are the best predictors that we now have unless we try to rely upon assessments of political skills, economic performance, and military or diplomatic success. I can try to compare Barack Obama to other Presidents and figure that if he isn't the new Abraham Lincoln he isn't the new Millard Fillmore, either.   

4. Take a good look at one of the surprises of 2008: Virginia. Obama won the state and won it with surprising strength. Virginia had elected a black man as governor (Douglas Wilder) and he proved wholly adequate. In 2012 Americans even in the South -- yes, white ones, too -- will be accustomed to the idea that the President doesn't have to be white. In 2012 Obama runs on his record and wins or runs from his record and loses.

Obama has changed the style of American politics. Will people like that or dislike the change? Time and achievement will tell. If Obama does nothing to aggravate the fears of white Southerners, he could win back the Clinton-but-not-Obama vote and precipitate a landslide.

5. You restate something that I have said; approval ratings alone do not guarantee victory in any given state. Political culture matters greatly in any state, which explains how I have said that Romney could win Utah 70-30 against Barack Obama if Obama has even 60% support there. The prospect of electing the first Mormon President of the United States would have to be even more intoxicating than the "strong drink" that the LDS Church prohibits.  On the other side, Mike Huckabee would likely win Arkansas if Obama had a 60% favorability in Arkansas. The Favorite Son effect is real, too.

But those situations don't operate in enough states to make the difference in any but the closest of elections.  If Obama should have 60% approval ratings in Arizona and Colorado, he almost certainly wins both states against Romney or Huckabee.

6. Should the racial polarization of voting in the Deep South (Louisiana to South Carolina) weaken for the Presidency (if not state office), then Obama wins Louisiana -- and Mississippi. That of course asks for much. I could discuss ethnic polarization of voting in a long story in a thread of its own. That polarization fosters machine politics, with inherent corruption and insensitivity by politicians toward people who will never vote for them, even in hick towns. What if Obama creates a problem of perception -- that he is clearly better than the local machine hacks that people in the Deep South know all too well? In 2008, misgivings about elected officials that southern whites knew all too well (black elected officials associated with local Democratic machines) hurt Obama. Could southern whites see Barack Obama very differently from the corrupt local black politicians that they know (by the way, the white Republican machine pols are no better than the corrupt black Democratic machine pols; such is the nature of machine politics).

One political hack won't hurt Obama in Louisiana in 2012: William "Cold Cash" Jefferson, formerly US Representative, LA-01 (D) and now defeated and convicted of bribery. That crook may have lost Obama any chance to win Louisiana in 2008.  Don't expect him to get any Presidential pardon!



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 21, 2009, 12:15:46 PM
So, what do we have on the national front today ?

Gallup: 50-42 (nc, -1)

Rasmussen: 47-53 (nc, +1)

PPP: 51-43

ARG: 57-41 (adults), 56-42 (registered voters)

Zogby: 49-51, 45% Excellent/Good 55% Fair/Poor

Harris: 45% Excellent/Good 55% Fair/Poor


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajc0918 on October 22, 2009, 12:16:59 PM
Michigan (EPIC-MRA 10/11-15)

Epic-MRA / Detroit News / WXYZ-TV / WOOD-TV / WILX-TV, WJRT-TV
10/11-15/09; 600 likely voters, 4% margin of error

Job Rating:
Pres. Obama: 48% Excellent/Pretty Good, 51% Just Fair/Poor

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/me_2010_gov_epicmra_101115.php


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on October 22, 2009, 01:01:44 PM
Interesting polls, Florida and Louisiana:

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Sometimes you get what you ask for. Florida isn't that much of a surprise; Obama barely won the state in 2008. Recent polls in Kentucky, Louisiana, and Tennessee suggest that although he would lose those states he wouldn't lose them by as much as in 2008. Could the political polarization of 2008 be abating?



No, and you're an idiot if you think it will be close in those states.

So what was your prediction for Florida last year, Rowan?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 22, 2009, 02:13:37 PM
Interesting polls, Florida and Louisiana:

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Sometimes you get what you ask for. Florida isn't that much of a surprise; Obama barely won the state in 2008. Recent polls in Kentucky, Louisiana, and Tennessee suggest that although he would lose those states he wouldn't lose them by as much as in 2008. Could the political polarization of 2008 be abating?



No, and you're an idiot if you think it will be close in those states.

I didn't say that Obama will win those states in 2012 -- yet. Could? It's getting interesting. Recent polls in Kentucky, Louisiana, and Tennessee suggest that Obama is getting stronger approval than the 2008 election would have suggested in those three states.  A nominee with an approval rating just under 50% at election time is not going to get clobbered in such an area unless the political culture culture is unusual, the opponent is a Favorite Son, or the opponent is a very strong challenger.  Obama's  most recent polls in Kentucky, Louisiana, and Tennessee are not much weaker than those that he has in Florida, Ohio, or (something of a surprise this week) Michigan.

The three states have voted together since 1968 (when Wallace won Arkansas and Louisiana and Nixon won Tennessee). Bill Clinton won those three states twice, but Obama got clobbered this time. I don't have one data point from one shaky poll; I have three from different polls. Is Bill Clinton that much different from Barack Obama? Or could it be that white people in those three states (and not only those) just couldn't imagine a black man as President of the United States? They have gotten nine months to associate the Presidency with a black man -- and after three more years they will be much more accustomed to the reality.

I at first thought the poll in Tennessee suspect; after all, it was conducted from a college -- but the methodology was solid. The polls from Kentucky and Louisiana suggest that that poll was no outlier. Of course I would like to see corroboration in other polls -- South Carolina? Arkansas? Missouri? Alabama? Texas? Mississippi? 

People will vote for what they perceive as their self interest. If Barack Obama does well for them, then they will vote for someone who looks little like John F. Kennedy. But even at that, Obama has shown that he doesn't need Kentucky, Louisiana, or Tennessee for winning re-election, but the Republicans absolutely cannot afford to lose any one of those states.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on October 22, 2009, 03:36:43 PM
Democracy Corps Obama FAVORABLES in New Jersey : 54\31

Clarus Virginia Obama Approval: 47 % approve, 43% disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 23, 2009, 12:04:21 PM
Wild swings in the daily trackers for Obama:

Gallup: 54-39 (+3, -2)
Rasmussen: 49-50 (+2, -2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on October 23, 2009, 02:37:50 PM
Interesting polls, Florida and Louisiana:

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Sometimes you get what you ask for. Florida isn't that much of a surprise; Obama barely won the state in 2008. Recent polls in Kentucky, Louisiana, and Tennessee suggest that although he would lose those states he wouldn't lose them by as much as in 2008. Could the political polarization of 2008 be abating?



No, and you're an idiot if you think it will be close in those states.

So what was your prediction for Florida last year, Rowan?

That Obama would win.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on October 23, 2009, 02:39:13 PM
Wild swings in the daily trackers for Obama:

Gallup: 54-39 (+3, -2)
Rasmussen: 49-50 (+2, -2)

I think they both had low one day samples that have just rolled off the average. There was a wild negative swing a few days ago.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on October 23, 2009, 03:52:09 PM
Wild swings in the daily trackers for Obama:

Gallup: 54-39 (+3, -2)
Rasmussen: 49-50 (+2, -2)

Those are my kind of swings.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 24, 2009, 12:01:50 AM
Here was mine, and I allowed no ties :


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McCain win 10% or more
McCain win 5% - 9.9%
McCain win up to 4.9%


Obama win 10% or more
Obama win 5% - 9.9%
Obama win up to 4.9%



And reality was:

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McCain win 10% or more
McCain win 5% - 9.9%
McCain win up to 4.9%


Obama win 10% or more
Obama win 5% - 9.9%
Obama win up to 4.9%


My tentative prediction for 2012:

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Huckabee win 10% or more
Huckabee win 5% - 9.9%
Huckabee win up to 4.9%


Obama win 10% or more
Obama win 5% - 9.9%
Obama win up to 4.9%




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 26, 2009, 02:24:36 PM
Massachusetts (Rasmussen):

54% Approve
44% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/massachusetts/toplines/toplines_massachusetts_governor_october_22_2009

Michigan (Rasmussen):

52% Approve
47% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/michigan/toplines_michigan_governor_october_21_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on October 26, 2009, 02:26:18 PM
Massachusetts (Rasmussen):

54% Approve
44% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/massachusetts/toplines/toplines_massachusetts_governor_october_22_2009

Michigan (Rasmussen):

52% Approve
47% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/michigan/toplines_michigan_governor_october_21_2009

...Rasmussen fail?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 26, 2009, 06:17:02 PM
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The Massachusetts poll looks a bit fishy, but a poll is a poll unless the organization is suspect. Michigan? Not so strange.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on October 26, 2009, 07:24:36 PM
but a poll is a poll unless the organization is suspect.

Coming from you, LOL.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swing Voter on October 26, 2009, 07:25:17 PM

He does seem very biased.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on October 26, 2009, 07:27:06 PM
Get used to it. Sometimes I think he is a robot, created by the DNC, to try and get people to think Obama is unbeatable in 2012, in the hopes that many Republicans won't even vote.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on October 26, 2009, 07:36:49 PM
Pbrower has been proficent at predictions in current trends, but I feel he lacks in long term trends.


I believe he posted information about his prediction back in '01 after 9/11, and it was something like Bush winning 400+ electoral votes.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swing Voter on October 26, 2009, 07:44:11 PM
Get used to it. Sometimes I think he is a robot, created by the DNC, to try and get people to think Obama is unbeatable in 2012, in the hopes that many Republicans won't even vote.

I don't understand why he is the one running this thread. I see a clear bias and he uses favorability instead of approval, I've noticed! Can't we find someone else to make the fancy little map?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on October 26, 2009, 07:45:15 PM
Get used to it. Sometimes I think he is a robot, created by the DNC, to try and get people to think Obama is unbeatable in 2012, in the hopes that many Republicans won't even vote.

I don't understand why he is the one running this thread. I see a clear bias and he uses favorability instead of approval, I've noticed! Can't we find someone else to make the fancy little map?

Anyone can make the maps, no one else besides PBrower chooses to, though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swing Voter on October 26, 2009, 07:46:44 PM
Get used to it. Sometimes I think he is a robot, created by the DNC, to try and get people to think Obama is unbeatable in 2012, in the hopes that many Republicans won't even vote.

I don't understand why he is the one running this thread. I see a clear bias and he uses favorability instead of approval, I've noticed! Can't we find someone else to make the fancy little map?

Anyone can make the maps, no one else besides PBrower chooses to, though.

Well, watch this space. I may start making my own nonpartisan maps.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on October 26, 2009, 07:49:55 PM
I would, but I'm too lazy. I have a map memorized in my head of what it should be. I'll go ahead and give my "prediction" though, if the election was today, with no toss-ups.

Generic Republican/Generic Republican vs. Barack Obama/Joe Biden

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swing Voter on October 26, 2009, 07:54:56 PM
I would, but I'm too lazy. I have a map memorized in my head of what it should be. I'll go ahead and give my "prediction" though, if the election was today, with no toss-ups.

Generic Republican/Generic Republican vs. Barack Obama/Joe Biden

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What makes you think Colorado goes Republican but not traditionally Republican Ohio?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on October 26, 2009, 08:14:15 PM
I would, but I'm too lazy. I have a map memorized in my head of what it should be. I'll go ahead and give my "prediction" though, if the election was today, with no toss-ups.

Generic Republican/Generic Republican vs. Barack Obama/Joe Biden

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What makes you think Colorado goes Republican but not traditionally Republican Ohio?
Approval ratings. Colorado is a more libertarian state, so probably isn't a big fan of Obama's policies. Many though are still giving Obama a chance there, since they voted for him heavily in 2008. Even in a lean Obama election, I think Colorado could go Republican.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on October 26, 2009, 08:31:50 PM
Ohio is a libertarian state now? Christ almighty.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 26, 2009, 08:46:31 PM
I don't pretend to be without bias. All that I can hope for is to be consistent, rational, relevant, and timely. My commentary should be obvious as such.

54% approval in Massachusetts when Obama is above 50% in Ohio? Not likely. Now if states politically similar to Massachusetts show similar results, then there could be a trend -- as I have suggested in response to recent polls in Kentucky, Louisiana, and Tennessee that look nearly even in approval and disapproval.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on October 26, 2009, 08:50:30 PM
Ohio is a libertarian state now? Christ almighty.
Sorry, I meant Colorado.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 26, 2009, 08:56:40 PM
I would, but I'm too lazy. I have a map memorized in my head of what it should be. I'll go ahead and give my "prediction" though, if the election was today, with no toss-ups.

Generic Republican/Generic Republican vs. Barack Obama/Joe Biden

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I don't know whether you refer to a percentage or a margin, so a legend would be welcome.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on October 26, 2009, 08:57:22 PM

That looks about right to me, except perhaps Florida.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on October 26, 2009, 08:57:24 PM
I would, but I'm too lazy. I have a map memorized in my head of what it should be. I'll go ahead and give my "prediction" though, if the election was today, with no toss-ups.

Generic Republican/Generic Republican vs. Barack Obama/Joe Biden

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I don't know whether you refer to a percentage or a margin, so a legend would be welcome.
The darker the color, the more confident I am with that prediction. 60% is the max.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 26, 2009, 09:54:24 PM
My tentative prediction for 2012:

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Huckabee win 10% or more
Huckabee win 5% - 9.9%
Huckabee win up to 4.9%


Obama win 10% or more
Obama win 5% - 9.9%
Obama win up to 4.9%


I am not a robot. Maybe a robot would be easier to deal with than I.   I am looking at a combination of things:

1. the 2008 results

2. that the liberal tendency of young voters is likely to continue in 2012 with a tendency of new young voters to supplant statistically older, more conservative voters tending to drop out of the voting due to death and senescence -- an age effect.

So far that age effect would push "only" Missouri and Montana to Obama in 2012 while he keeps everything that he won in 2008 -- including his bare wins in Indiana, North Carolina, and NE-02. The Age Wave would not push Georgia or either of the Dakotas to Obama because the youth are split nearly 50-50 in states that Obama lost.

3. The appearance or disappearance of a Favorite Son effect  where it is most likely to have or have had an effect (obviously Arizona).

4. Ethnic shifts -- most notably the rapid increase of Hispanic voters in 2012 in the southwestern US.

#3 and #4 would be enough to flip Arizona -- but not Texas, which will be significantly closer. Such is the long-term trend relevant to 2012.

I ignore national tracking polls except as indicators of nationwide trends likely to appear in statewide polls.

Beyond that, I look at state polls... and I see recent trends for Obama in three states in which Obama did very badly in 2008. Those states in which Clinton could win but Obama didn't

I admit that for now Missouri is touchy... and I have no recent poll for Indiana. So?

Now what can't I predict with this model?

1. How effective or ineffective Obama will be as President.  That can absolutely throw every assumption that I have here, one way or the other.

2. How Obama will do against anyone other than Huckabee.

I have only hunches about Mitt Romney  (less polarization at the cost of Obama picking up a few states), Tim Pawlenty (we know little), and Sarah Palin (unqualified disaster).

Huckabee is easier to figure out against Obama because he is more likely to maintain the polarization of the American electorate as it was in 2008.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on October 27, 2009, 07:36:00 AM
Get used to it. Sometimes I think he is a robot, created by the DNC, to try and get people to think Obama is unbeatable in 2012, in the hopes that many Republicans won't even vote.

I don't understand why he is the one running this thread. I see a clear bias and he uses favorability instead of approval, I've noticed! Can't we find someone else to make the fancy little map?

Anyone can make the maps, no one else besides PBrower chooses to, though.

(To everyone): Then for the love of God quit bitching about his maps and make your own!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on October 27, 2009, 07:52:49 AM
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The Massachusetts poll looks a bit fishy, but a poll is a poll unless the organization is suspect. Michigan? Not so strange.

He includes a pro-Obama outlier poll. The chorus swells: "Pbrower's an Obamabot hack" etc. etc.

He includes an anti-Obama outlier poll from Massachusetts here: Two pages follow of: "Pbrower's an Obamabot hack" etc. etc. etc. etc.

I'm not saying Pbrower's every decision on mapping has been correct, nor that people shouldn't call him on it if he does it again, but the constant chorus of hackery disconnected from what he's actually doing is getting downright annoying. (Or maybe it's still early for me and I'm just grumpy) ):-(

Regardless, he's the only one consistently updating an electoral map for this thread. If his methodology is so bad, someone else step up and persistently maintain your own map on the thread.

OK, rant off.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on October 27, 2009, 08:02:40 AM
I would, but I'm too lazy. I have a map memorized in my head of what it should be. I'll go ahead and give my "prediction" though, if the election was today, with no toss-ups.

Generic Republican/Generic Republican vs. Barack Obama/Joe Biden

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What makes you think Colorado goes Republican but not traditionally Republican Ohio?

Ohio, "traditionally Republican"? ...'Kay. If anything it's just a bellwether state.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on October 27, 2009, 09:59:45 AM
I would, but I'm too lazy. I have a map memorized in my head of what it should be. I'll go ahead and give my "prediction" though, if the election was today, with no toss-ups.

Generic Republican/Generic Republican vs. Barack Obama/Joe Biden

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What makes you think Colorado goes Republican but not traditionally Republican Ohio?

Ohio, "traditionally Republican"? ...'Kay. If anything it's just a bellwether state.

I agree, though I have a hard time seeing Colorado going Republican but not Ohio (unless the GOP nominee is from the mountain west).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swing Voter on October 27, 2009, 10:14:05 AM
I would, but I'm too lazy. I have a map memorized in my head of what it should be. I'll go ahead and give my "prediction" though, if the election was today, with no toss-ups.

Generic Republican/Generic Republican vs. Barack Obama/Joe Biden

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What makes you think Colorado goes Republican but not traditionally Republican Ohio?

Ohio, "traditionally Republican"? ...'Kay. If anything it's just a bellwether state.

I agree, though I have a hard time seeing Colorado going Republican but not Ohio (unless the GOP nominee is from the mountain west).

Do you disagree that Ohio has a natural Republican lean?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on October 27, 2009, 10:26:39 AM
I would, but I'm too lazy. I have a map memorized in my head of what it should be. I'll go ahead and give my "prediction" though, if the election was today, with no toss-ups.

Generic Republican/Generic Republican vs. Barack Obama/Joe Biden

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What makes you think Colorado goes Republican but not traditionally Republican Ohio?

Ohio, "traditionally Republican"? ...'Kay. If anything it's just a bellwether state.

I agree, though I have a hard time seeing Colorado going Republican but not Ohio (unless the GOP nominee is from the mountain west).

Do you disagree that Ohio has a natural Republican lean?

I think it has a 1%-2% Republican lean, but that is hardly significant statistically.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on October 27, 2009, 10:27:11 AM
Ohio was more Republican than the national average in 2008, so it may be safe to say that it leans more culturally towards the Republican Party today than it does the Democratic Party.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on October 27, 2009, 10:29:59 AM
I would, but I'm too lazy. I have a map memorized in my head of what it should be. I'll go ahead and give my "prediction" though, if the election was today, with no toss-ups.

Generic Republican/Generic Republican vs. Barack Obama/Joe Biden

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What makes you think Colorado goes Republican but not traditionally Republican Ohio?

Ohio, "traditionally Republican"? ...'Kay. If anything it's just a bellwether state.

I agree, though I have a hard time seeing Colorado going Republican but not Ohio (unless the GOP nominee is from the mountain west).

Do you disagree that Ohio has a natural Republican lean?

I think it has a 1%-2% Republican lean, but that is hardly significant statistically.

But to answer your point, it is definitely more republican culturally than Colorado, which tends to have a more libertarian state GOP.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 27, 2009, 11:14:30 AM
If I have a suspect poll, then tell me. I don't want a poll from a special interest, a push poll, or one from a suspect organization (some entity that makes up its own polls).  So you tell me when I include a poll from a labor union or a "gun-rights" group.

There will be suspect results -- outliers like the 54% approval in Massachusetts (We all know what Massachusetts is like; if it doesn't go for the Democratic nominee by a wide margin, then the Democratic nominee will lose) or a fishy one of 60% in Texas a few months ago (if the Democratic nominee is even within 10% in Texas these days, then the Republican nominee is in deep trouble).

Outliers tend to disappear -- or else show trends. The mid-month poll that showed Obama close in Tennessee looked like an outlier until I saw polls similar in range in Kentucky and Louisiana, states that generally move with Tennessee. Obama was absolutely clobbered in those states in 2008 even though Clinton won both states in 1992 and 1996. But what happens if he convinces people in those states that he is not the scary figure that they thought he was? Landslide 2012 as Obama wins states that unselectively vote for Democratic nominees or do so most of the time, the usual and reasonable swing states, and the Clinton-but-not-Obama states of 2008. Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Tennessee, and West Virginia comprise 34 electoral votes, which is about like winning Texas.

Now what of the other side? Suppose that  Rasmussen comes out with a poll that reads like this:


Approvals, Barack Obama:

California  47% approve, 51% disapprove

(note that this is a fictional poll)

It could be an outlier. But if you see others like this in California, and other unflattering polls in unexpected places, then  Obama's popularity may be fading in a place that he has usually taken for granted because of its demographics and political culture.  (California's economy is in very poor condition). Maybe there are solutions "out there" that right-leaning politicians have yet to find, and should they find them those right-wing politicians might win in 2012.

 

 





 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on October 27, 2009, 03:15:32 PM
Ohio was more Republican than the national average in 2008, so it may be safe to say that it leans more culturally towards the Republican Party today than it does the Democratic Party.

Right, but in 2004, the state was on par with the election results from the nation. In fact, it might have been SLIGHTLY more Democratic IIRC.

It really depends on the candidate. If a Clinton type Democrat is running, it will probably lean Democrat by 1-2%. If there's a stong Republican running, then it will lean slightly Republican.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on October 27, 2009, 04:08:36 PM
Ohio was more Republican than the national average in 2008, so it may be safe to say that it leans more culturally towards the Republican Party today than it does the Democratic Party.

Right, but in 2004, the state was on par with the election results from the nation. In fact, it might have been SLIGHTLY more Democratic IIRC.

It really depends on the candidate. If a Clinton type Democrat is running, it will probably lean Democrat by 1-2%. If there's a stong Republican running, then it will lean slightly Republican.

Ohio was, in fact, slightly more Democratic voting than the country---by less than 0.4%. Other than LBJ's 64 landslide it was the only time this century Ohio leaned further from the GOP than the national vote (including both of Clinton's wins). The 2004 aberration isn't surprising considering Ohio was at the time dead last in job creation and a host of other economic indicators.

Ohio's GOP lean has generally run about 1-4 points. Obama's Ohio margin of victory running approx 2.7% behind his national margin was fairly average in this respect.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on October 28, 2009, 10:55:00 AM
If I have a suspect poll, then tell me. I don't want a poll from a special interest, a push poll, or one from a suspect organization (some entity that makes up its own polls).  So you tell me when I include a poll from a labor union or a "gun-rights" group.

There will be suspect results -- outliers like the 54% approval in Massachusetts (We all know what Massachusetts is like; if it doesn't go for the Democratic nominee by a wide margin, then the Democratic nominee will lose) or a fishy one of 60% in Texas a few months ago (if the Democratic nominee is even within 10% in Texas these days, then the Republican nominee is in deep trouble).

Outliers tend to disappear -- or else show trends. The mid-month poll that showed Obama close in Tennessee looked like an outlier until I saw polls similar in range in Kentucky and Louisiana, states that generally move with Tennessee. Obama was absolutely clobbered in those states in 2008 even though Clinton won both states in 1992 and 1996. But what happens if he convinces people in those states that he is not the scary figure that they thought he was? Landslide 2012 as Obama wins states that unselectively vote for Democratic nominees or do so most of the time, the usual and reasonable swing states, and the Clinton-but-not-Obama states of 2008. Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Tennessee, and West Virginia comprise 34 electoral votes, which is about like winning Texas.

Now what of the other side? Suppose that  Rasmussen comes out with a poll that reads like this:


Approvals, Barack Obama:

California  47% approve, 51% disapprove

(note that this is a fictional poll)

It could be an outlier. But if you see others like this in California, and other unflattering polls in unexpected places, then  Obama's popularity may be fading in a place that he has usually taken for granted because of its demographics and political culture.  (California's economy is in very poor condition). Maybe there are solutions "out there" that right-leaning politicians have yet to find, and should they find them those right-wing politicians might win in 2012.


  
If that was the case, then CA would be tossup and the rest is what I came up with.
DEM: 210
REP: 273
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on October 31, 2009, 09:14:53 AM
SurveyUSA has some of their monthly tracking numbers out:

Alabama: 39/58
California: 61/35
Iowa: 46/48
Kansas: 41/56
Kentucky: 46/51
Missouri: 48/47
New York: 61/36
Oregon: 50/45
Virginia: 48/49
Washington: 55/39


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 31, 2009, 11:32:35 AM
SurveyUSA has some of their monthly tracking numbers out:

Alabama: 39/58
California: 61/35
Iowa: 46/48
Kansas: 41/56
Kentucky: 46/51
Missouri: 48/47
New York: 61/36
Oregon: 50/45
Virginia: 48/49
Washington: 55/39

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Approval higher in Missouri than in Iowa in one poll? That's strange.  The second near-even poll in Kentucky this month, along with similar polls in Louisiana and Tennessee and a positive poll in Missouri suggest that President Obama is doing better in the "Clinton-but-not-Obama, Obama-losing-big"   states of 2008. Because of the similarity of political culture between those states and Arkansas, Huckabee would win them (this does not include Missouri) in 2012, but I now have severe questions of whether Romney or Pawlenty could win them.
   
Iowa and Virginia show averages with polls from earlier in this month.  One day later with the poll and both states would appear canary-yellow. 

The poll for Oklahoma is getting old, but I'm not going to drop it in November; no way is Obama close there.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 31, 2009, 01:03:55 PM
Those are not the real SurveyUSA numbers, pbrower. I posted them.

Nope, Rowan's right. You posted the September numbers ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 31, 2009, 01:17:05 PM
Gallup and Rasmussen now worlds apart:

Gallup: 55-40 approve
Rasmussen: 46-52 disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 31, 2009, 01:26:13 PM
Ohio (University of Cincinnati):

52% Approve
45% Disapprove

http://www.ipr.uc.edu/documents/op103009.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Coburn In 2012 on October 31, 2009, 01:36:59 PM
obama sucks and he has from day one.  more people are learning to break free from stupid, media-imposed white guilt.  Its okay to criticize the pres, America.  It doesnt make you a racist if you do!!!!

Worst pres ever.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ChrisJG777 on October 31, 2009, 03:27:35 PM
I wondered when this one was going to return.  Still, no much change I see, posts still lacking intelligent content for one thing.  :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on October 31, 2009, 03:57:56 PM
It's obvious that Coburn In 2012 is a fake account.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ChrisJG777 on October 31, 2009, 04:05:05 PM
It's obvious that Coburn In 2012 is a fake account.

The worst kept secret on the forum quite frankly.  Whenever I read one of his posts, I kind of imagine that if you could  actually listen to the posts here, the voice you'd hear for him would be that of some bratty 14 year old kid, you know the sort that beats up younger kids at school for their money and has a superiority complex the size of Kazakhstan.  :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajc0918 on October 31, 2009, 04:51:13 PM
I can't find the pollster's version of the poll but it is in this article:

FLORIDA APPROVAL:

"President Obama also earns weak job approval marks from Florida voters, with 46 percent saying he is doing a good or excellent job and 51 percent calling it fair or poor. The voters who delivered Florida's 27 electoral votes — independents — have turned on him, with nearly 6 in 10 negatively assessing Obama's performance."

Approval 46/51

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/gov-charlie-crists-popularity-slides/1048529?postCode=1


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 31, 2009, 05:03:06 PM
It's obvious that Coburn In 2012 is a fake account.

The worst kept secret on the forum quite frankly.  Whenever I read one of his posts, I kind of imagine that if you could  actually listen to the posts here, the voice you'd hear for him would be that of some bratty 14 year old kid, you know the sort that beats up younger kids at school for their money and has a superiority complex the size of Kazakhstan.  :P

"Coburn in 2012" just doesn't get any respect, does he?

No wonder. That fellow probably thinks that Rhode Island will be in play for Charles Manson if he wins the GOP nomination against Barack Obama.

Ohio checks in with a new poll, and a poll in Florida suggests that an average would be indistinguishable from a tie:

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Letter change, but it still establishes that Obama has held his ground in Ohio, all in all, for a year.

I am now changing a letter for Oklahoma. I remain convinced that Obama has about as much chance of winning Oklahoma in 2012 as the Detroit Kittens football team has of winning the next Super Bowl, or of Khartoum winning the next available Winter Olympics. I'm six hours early on changing the letter to indicate "unpolled" -- but this time I am not going to change the shade of Oklahoma.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rob on October 31, 2009, 05:59:13 PM
It's obvious that Coburn In 2012 is a fake account.

He is the retarded man's Vander Blubb.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ChrisJG777 on November 01, 2009, 07:14:45 AM
"Coburn in 2012" just doesn't get any respect, does he?

Not really, no.  Of course he would if he deserved any, though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on November 01, 2009, 04:26:17 PM
Obama's approval rating in October according to Gallup:

53% Approve
40% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 55/29 (October 1977)

Reagan 55/35 (October 1981)

Bush I 68/20 (October 1989)

Clinton 48/44 (October 1993)

Bush II 88/8 (October 2001)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Republic on November 01, 2009, 04:36:03 PM
Its okay to criticize the pres, America.

But wait, I thought conservatives taught us it was unpatriotic to do so?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese on November 01, 2009, 04:43:23 PM
Its okay to criticize the pres, America.

But wait, I thought conservatives taught us it was unpatriotic to do so?

Please, Joe, it's only unpatriotic if the president is a conservative, and you're a member of the Dixiechicks. When it's a marxist socialist librul DemocRAT it's totally ok. Didn't you get the memo?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RosettaStoned on November 01, 2009, 06:47:19 PM
Obama's approval rating in October according to Gallup:

53% Approve
40% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 55/29 (October 1977)

Reagan 55/35 (October 1981)

Bush I 68/20 (October 1989)

Clinton 48/44 (October 1993)

Bush II 88/8 (October 2001)


Interesting. Proves approval ratings this early don't mean much.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lahbas on November 03, 2009, 12:45:29 AM
What I am waiting for is the President's policy of Afghanistan. His ambiguity certainly is not helping the view of him as a leader, and there is really no indicator on where he will turn. In my mind, he might follow the opinion polls on the issue, which might prove to be more negative in the end.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on November 03, 2009, 11:26:27 AM
New numbers from Arkansas

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/ar_approval_ratings_tbq_101215.php (http://www.pollster.com/blogs/ar_approval_ratings_tbq_101215.php)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 03, 2009, 03:07:06 PM
Arkansas give us our first November poll, as shown with the letter K (11th letter in the alphabet):

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Which gives no support to the idea that Obama has making headway in the most obvious Clinton-but-not-Obama state.

Quote from: pollster.com

Arkansas

Favorable / Unfavorable
Barack Obama: 40 / 56
Mike Beebe: 71 / 15
Blanche Lincoln: 42 / 46

Job Approval / Disapproval
Pres. Obama: 39 / 59
Gov. Beebe: 79 / 13
Blanche Lincoln: 45 / 45

If the 2010 election was held today, and you had to make a choice, would you vote to re-elect Blanche Lincoln as your United States Senator no matter who ran against her?
25% Yes, 61% No

Arkansas now looks like a likely pickup -- by Republicans in the US Senate. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on November 03, 2009, 10:11:59 PM
According to RCP averages, Barack Obama's approval rating is at it's lowest point today ever...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on November 04, 2009, 04:48:19 AM
NJ Exit Poll: 57%

VA Exit Poll: 51%

NYC Exit Poll: 77%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 04, 2009, 04:52:40 AM
NJ Exit Poll: 57%

VA Exit Poll: 51%

NYC Exit Poll: 77%

VA is 48% Approve, 51% Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on November 04, 2009, 05:03:07 AM
NJ Exit Poll: 57%

VA Exit Poll: 51%

NYC Exit Poll: 77%

VA is 48% Approve, 51% Disapprove

Okay, it was 51% the last time I heard about it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on November 04, 2009, 06:59:12 AM
NJ Exit Poll: 57%

VA Exit Poll: 51%

NYC Exit Poll: 77%

VA is 48% Approve, 51% Disapprove

Okay, it was 51% the last time I heard about it.

Yeah, they have to reweigh them, which is why taking the leak ones at face value is just stupid most of the time.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 04, 2009, 09:49:24 AM
NJ Exit Poll: 57%

VA Exit Poll: 51%

NYC Exit Poll: 77%


VA is 48% Approve, 51% Disapprove

Okay, it was 51% the last time I heard about it.

Yeah, they have to reweigh them, which is why taking the leak ones at face value is just stupid most of the time.

But look at what data one can derive for them. The NYC poll is worthless for explaining how New York State would vote in 2012 because NYC does not vote separately from the state.

New Jersey and Virginia voters said that they thought Obama OK but in one case failed to re-elect a governor with huge political weaknesses (being associated with a powerful investment-banking firm that is now seen more as a part of the problem than a part of the solution) and in another rejected a weak campaigner for the Governorship.

Such happens. I could draw some conclusions about public opinion from exit polls in New Jersey and Virginia, and those would both strengthen the appearance of Obama support. But those exit polls are irregular samples and not polls of likely voters in the 2012 election, as the people who vote in odd-year elections are a smaller selection of voters.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 06, 2009, 01:27:02 AM
Maryland (Clarus Research Group):

60% Approve
33% Disapprove

Clarus conducted this statewide survey among 637 voters in Maryland, based on a representative sample. The margin of error is +/- 3.9 percent. Interviews were conducted via telephone by live interviewers between October 30 and November 2, 2009. (It should be noted that all interviews were completed before the Nov. 3 elections.) These survey questions were not asked on behalf of, or paid for by, any client, political candidate or party organization. This study was conducted for the internal use of Clarus.

http://www.clarusrg.com/sites/default/files/Clarus_Maryland%20Voter%20Survey_Nov%204%2009.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swing Voter on November 06, 2009, 04:07:28 AM
Any national numbers?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 06, 2009, 03:33:01 PM
Maryland checks in:

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Still strong support there. Yawn!



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on November 06, 2009, 05:13:10 PM
Obama is still looking strong in the very blue states, it's the swing states in which it looks like his approval is below his Election Day totals.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 06, 2009, 07:18:57 PM
Another way to look at it is that the GOP nominee of 2012 looks to have lots of ways to lose and  few in which to win. The map resembles the low point of Obama support between the Democratic convention and the election. Some of the states that Obama was absolutely crushed in now look far too close for GOP comfort (KY, LA, TN). Huckabee would probably win those, but I can't be certain that Romney would win them.

Fresh polls in Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Indiana, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, and West Virginia would all be interesting. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on November 07, 2009, 07:20:48 AM
Still a hack, I see.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on November 07, 2009, 08:49:27 AM
wow fresh polls from the Pbrower2a Polling Institute!!!
Ohio:
Approve 69 -Dissaprove 6
Florida:
Approve 98 - Dissapprove 1
Alabama:
87 - 1

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t164/zaxtax/258Troll_spray.jpg


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 07, 2009, 11:02:40 AM
Fresh polls from the Right-Wing Wish Fulfillment Institute:


(Approve-Disapprove, Obama):

Pennsylvania  44-52

Michigan         39-56

Ohio                29-70

Connecticut    46-50

Illinois             47-47

Rhode Island  50-48

Texas           Seek political asylum now!
 
Oklahoma    Seek political asylum now!


.... I too can do sarcasm.

 




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on November 07, 2009, 06:10:27 PM
lol brilliant


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on November 08, 2009, 11:04:24 AM
4* How would you rate the job Barack Obama as been doing as President….excellent, good, fair or poor?

21% Excellent
21% Good
20% Fair
37% Poor
2% Not sure
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/econ_survey_toplines/october_2009/toplines_barack_obama_october_27_28_2009

Obama 45
Republican 49

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/november_2009/45_for_obama_49_against_if_election_were_held_right_now


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 08, 2009, 11:43:26 AM
4* How would you rate the job Barack Obama as been doing as President….excellent, good, fair or poor?

21% Excellent
21% Good
20% Fair
37% Poor
2% Not sure
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/econ_survey_toplines/october_2009/toplines_barack_obama_october_27_28_2009

Obama 45
Republican 49

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/november_2009/45_for_obama_49_against_if_election_were_held_right_now

Of course Barack Obama will not be running against "Mr. Generic Republican" in 2012. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on November 08, 2009, 01:49:41 PM
I wonder what kind of bounce he'll get if/when HC passes.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on November 08, 2009, 07:30:35 PM
I wonder what kind of bounce he'll get if/when HC passes.

He'd probably get a small bump just because it would be historic, but about 45-50% of Americans right now oppose the bill, so I imagine the bump would last only 2-3 days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on November 08, 2009, 08:10:56 PM
I wonder what kind of bounce he'll get if/when HC passes.

But it won't pass...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on November 08, 2009, 08:19:32 PM
It better not pass, I don't want an increase in my taxes.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on November 08, 2009, 08:26:43 PM
It better not pass, I don't want an increase in my taxes.

So you're a rich?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on November 08, 2009, 08:27:23 PM
It better not pass, I don't want an increase in my taxes.

So you're a rich?

It doesn't just raise taxes on the rich.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on November 09, 2009, 08:47:42 AM
It better not pass, I don't want an increase in my taxes.

So you're a rich?
I'm not rich or poor, just need to conserve my money.  I have student loans, car payment etc....


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 09, 2009, 11:11:52 AM
It better not pass, I don't want an increase in my taxes.

So you're a rich?
I'm not rich or poor, just need to conserve my money.  I have student loans, car payment etc....

But if it creates greater economic opportunity, then the benefits overwhelm the harm. The huge problem is that we have an under-performing economy. Government expenditures in a deflationary time mitigate an economic downturn or turn it around.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on November 09, 2009, 12:52:07 PM
It better not pass, I don't want an increase in my taxes.

So you're a rich?

It doesn't just raise taxes on the rich.

Wrong.

# The bill taxes individuals making more than $500,000 and $1 million for couples. It is a 5.4 percent tax.

That is the definition of rich. Very, very rich actually.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on November 09, 2009, 12:54:01 PM
It better not pass, I don't want an increase in my taxes.

So you're a rich?
I'm not rich or poor, just need to conserve my money.  I have student loans, car payment etc....

# The bill taxes individuals making more than $500,000 and $1 million for couples. It is a 5.4 percent tax.


If like most Americans you're struggling with student loans and a car payment, this will not touch you, or probably not even the richest person you personally know.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 11, 2009, 01:12:01 AM
AP-GfK Poll:

54% Approve
43% Disapprove

The Associated Press-GfK Poll was conducted November 5th – November 9th, 2009, by GfK Roper Public Affairs & Media – a division of GfK Custom Research North America. This telephone poll is based on a nationally-representative probability sample of 1,006 adults age 18 or older. The interviews were conducted with 806 respondents on landlines and 200 on cellular telephones. Both the landline and cell phone samples were provided by Survey Sampling International. The survey sample included the contiguous 48 states, Alaska and Hawaii. Interviews were conducted in both English and Spanish. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus 3.1 percentage points at the 95% confidence level, for results based on the entire sample of adults.

http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com/pdf/AP-GfK_Poll_11_10_09.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ronnie on November 11, 2009, 12:24:31 PM
Republican edge Democrats in congressional vote according to Gallup:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124226/Republicans-Edge-Ahead-Democrats-2010-Vote.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on November 11, 2009, 03:55:17 PM
Republican edge Democrats in congressional vote according to Gallup:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124226/Republicans-Edge-Ahead-Democrats-2010-Vote.aspx

The white man is angry.

Why is this in this thread though?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on November 11, 2009, 04:28:49 PM
Republican edge Democrats in congressional vote according to Gallup:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124226/Republicans-Edge-Ahead-Democrats-2010-Vote.aspx

The white man is angry.

Why is this in this thread though?

cos the librulz democRATs are gunna looooosein 2010, ever1 must no.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CultureKing on November 11, 2009, 05:17:04 PM
Rasmussen (Georgia):

52% Approve
46% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/georgia/toplines/toplines_georgia_governor_november_10_2009

Rasmussen (Connecticut):

65% Approve
41% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/connecticut/toplines/toplines_connecticut_governor_november_10_2009



Wow... those are suspiciously good numbers from Rasmussen.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on November 11, 2009, 05:26:08 PM
Rasmussen (Georgia):

52% Approve
46% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/georgia/toplines/toplines_georgia_governor_november_10_2009

Rasmussen (Connecticut):

65% Approve
41% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/connecticut/toplines/toplines_connecticut_governor_november_10_2009



Wow... those are suspiciously good numbers from Rasmussen.

Georgia gives majority approval, yet the nation doesn't. Oh, Scott Rasmussen, you do make me giggle.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 11, 2009, 09:33:47 PM
Disaster for the GOP in Georgia (if genuine -- as I found nothing at Rasmussen):

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Georgia is less R than such states as Kentucky, Louisiana, and Tennessee which have shown polls suggesting nearly-even approval and disapproval for Obama.

Even if the Rasmussen poll is an inverse of reality, the GOP will be unable to win the 2012 election unless it can win Georgia by more than 2%. Obama support is now not only positive, but also above 50%, in two states that he lost in 2008: Georgia and Missouri.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on November 11, 2009, 09:56:31 PM
Rasmussen (Georgia):

52% Approve
46% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/georgia/toplines/toplines_georgia_governor_november_10_2009

What?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on November 11, 2009, 09:58:35 PM
you guys are way too easily trolled by vanderblubb


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajc0918 on November 11, 2009, 11:32:37 PM
Disaster for the GOP in Georgia (if genuine -- as I found nothing at Rasmussen):

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Georgia is less R than such states as Kentucky, Louisiana, and Tennessee which have shown polls suggesting nearly-even approval and disapproval for Obama.

Even if the Rasmussen poll is an inverse of reality, the GOP will be unable to win the 2012 election unless it can win Georgia by more than 2%. Obama support is now not only positive, but also above 50%, in two states that he lost in 2008: Georgia and Missouri.  

I love how with disapproval majority polls your have to "average" them in. But with polls such as Georgia, they are just accepted.  Nice map troll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 12, 2009, 12:20:23 AM
Disaster for the GOP in Georgia (if genuine -- as I found nothing at Rasmussen):


Georgia is less R than such states as Kentucky, Louisiana, and Tennessee which have shown polls suggesting nearly-even approval and disapproval for Obama.

Even if the Rasmussen poll is an inverse of reality, the GOP will be unable to win the 2012 election unless it can win Georgia by more than 2%. Obama support is now not only positive, but also above 50%, in two states that he lost in 2008: Georgia and Missouri.  

I love how with disapproval majority polls your have to "average" them in. But with polls such as Georgia, they are just accepted.  Nice map troll.

I don't average polls more than two weeks apart; I use the latest credible one (or one that looks credible. I average polls that show stronger approval and disapproval. 

If the Georgia poll proves a forgery, then I will promptly cast it out. The previous Georgia poll was two months old.

Trolls do not do my analysis. I register surprise when Obama is doing unusually well in a place that he lost in 2008. Can you deny recent polls in Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, and Tennessee?

I'd love to see one for North Carolina, which is much more likely to go Democratic in 2012 than Georgia. 

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on November 12, 2009, 12:26:46 AM
The link to the Georgia poll doesn't work. Unless the numbers quoted can be backed up, I suspect them to be fake and should be disregarded.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 12, 2009, 06:31:27 AM
In the event that Vander Blubb's reported polls aren't genuine, this is what we work with:


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Georgia is a candidate for a PPP poll, anyway.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on November 12, 2009, 11:45:29 AM
you guys are way too easily trolled by vanderblubb


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on November 12, 2009, 11:49:53 AM
People fell for it. lol.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on November 12, 2009, 12:27:28 PM
Okay some real numbers now:

Ohio
Approve 45%
Disapprove 50%

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1322.xml?ReleaseID=1396

Connecticut
Approve 58%
Disapprove 35%

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1296.xml?ReleaseID=1395



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 12, 2009, 02:12:39 PM
Okay some real numbers now:

Ohio
Approve 45%
Disapprove 50%

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1322.xml?ReleaseID=1396

Connecticut
Approve 58%
Disapprove 35%

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1296.xml?ReleaseID=1395



Not as much to my liking as the spurious polls, but sometimes medicine has a bad taste to it:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Wiz in Wis on November 14, 2009, 12:41:43 AM
NC Presidential Favorables/Approvals - Civitas 10(20/21)

Obama Favorables: 49/47
Obama Approval: 50/48

I dunno why pollster/Civitas took so long to release, but here the data be!

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/nc_ratings_civitas_102021.php


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 14, 2009, 01:35:52 AM
Utah (Mason Dixon):

38% Approve
60% Disapprove

The Tribune's poll of 625 registered voters was conducted by Mason-Dixon Polling & Research Inc. from Nov. 9 through Nov. 11. The margin of error was plus or minus 4 percent.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13784503

North Carolina (PPP):

47% Approve
47% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 711 North Carolina voters from November 9th to 11th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-3.7%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_1113.pdf

Massachusetts (Suffolk):

60% Approve
36% Disapprove

The statewide survey of 600 Massachusetts registered voters was conducted Nov. 4-8, 2009. The margin of error is +/- 4 percent at a 95 percent level of confidence.

http://www.suffolk.edu/images/content/FINAL.SUPRC.Marginals.Nov.8.2009.pdf

Minnesota (Rasmussen):

51% Approve
48% Disapprove

(Tim Pawlenty)

52% Approve
47% Disapprove

Suppose Governor Tim Pawlenty runs for President in 2012 and wins the Republican nomination. If Pawlenty was the Republican Presidential candidate, would you vote for him?

42% Yes, 46% No

(Al Franken)

50% Approve
45% Disapprove

(Amy Klobuchar)

58% Approve
38% Disapprove

(Michele Bachmann)

51% Approve
45% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 1,000 Likely Voters in Minnesota was conducted by Rasmussen Reports November 10, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/minnesota/toplines/toplines_minnesota_senate_favorables_november_10_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on November 14, 2009, 02:02:18 AM
I really hope that people in Minnesota don't have a better opinion of Bachmann than Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on November 14, 2009, 06:27:05 AM
Minnesota (Rasmussen):

51% Approve
48% Disapprove


lol, k


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on November 14, 2009, 10:07:48 AM

Heaven forbid your savior is unliked. ::)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on November 14, 2009, 12:02:57 PM
Obama is not nearly as popular in NC as he is in MN.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 14, 2009, 01:31:08 PM
A great variety of polls even from a comparative few have appeared in a couple of days. Three polls in North Carolina average out to a very bare advantage for Obama, so recognize that average for what it is.  One finally gives a reasonable update in Utah.

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Anyone who looks at this map and sees a Republican takeover of the White House in 2012 must distort this map like Salvador Dali distorted pocket watches in one of his most famous paintings. The states close in 2008 are still close, and some of the states that Obama lost by huge margins are much closer.

Polls for Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Montana, Nebraska, the Dakotas, Texas,and West Virginia would be extremely welcome.     


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on November 14, 2009, 06:01:23 PM
How the hell does Michelle Bachman have 51% approval in Minnesota. The state has more Democrats than Republicans, so that means if Bachmann is over 50%, there are some Democrats and a sizable number of independents who approve of her. Can someone from Minnesota explain this to me?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on November 14, 2009, 07:07:26 PM
How the hell does Michelle Bachman have 51% approval in Minnesota. The state has more Democrats than Republicans, so that means if Bachmann is over 50%, there are some Democrats and a sizable number of independents who approve of her. Can someone from Minnesota explain this to me?

I'm bordering on distressed that it's equal to Obama's 51% (from Rass) in Minnesota.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on November 14, 2009, 08:14:28 PM
Meh, Bachmann's poll was an outlier, methinks.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Saxwsylvania on November 14, 2009, 08:22:13 PM
Mason Dixon (South Carolina)

50% Approve
44% Disapprove

The statewide survey of 500 South Carolina registered voters was conducted Nov. 8-12, 2009. The margin of error is +/- 4.5 percent at a 96 percent level of confidence.

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/poll_masondixon_south_carolina.php



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on November 14, 2009, 08:25:49 PM
lol

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A new Mason-Dixon statewide survey of likely primary voters in South Carolina (conducted 6/13 through 6/15) finds:


•Among 329 Democrats, Sen. Barack Obama leads Sen. Hillary Clinton 34% to 25% in a statewide primary; former Sen. John Edwards trails with 12%.


•Among 432 Republicans, former Sen. Fred Thompson edges out former Mayor Rudy Giuliani 25% to 21% in a statewide primary; former Gov. Mitt Romney trails at 11%, Sen. John McCain at 7%, former Gov. Mike Huckabee at 5%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 14, 2009, 08:45:19 PM
lol

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A new Mason-Dixon statewide survey of likely primary voters in South Carolina (conducted 6/13 through 6/15) finds:


•Among 329 Democrats, Sen. Barack Obama leads Sen. Hillary Clinton 34% to 25% in a statewide primary; former Sen. John Edwards trails with 12%.


•Among 432 Republicans, former Sen. Fred Thompson edges out former Mayor Rudy Giuliani 25% to 21% in a statewide primary; former Gov. Mitt Romney trails at 11%, Sen. John McCain at 7%, former Gov. Mike Huckabee at 5%.

Huckabee and McCain might as well drop out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on November 14, 2009, 09:05:51 PM
lol

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A new Mason-Dixon statewide survey of likely primary voters in South Carolina (conducted 6/13 through 6/15) finds:


•Among 329 Democrats, Sen. Barack Obama leads Sen. Hillary Clinton 34% to 25% in a statewide primary; former Sen. John Edwards trails with 12%.


•Among 432 Republicans, former Sen. Fred Thompson edges out former Mayor Rudy Giuliani 25% to 21% in a statewide primary; former Gov. Mitt Romney trails at 11%, Sen. John McCain at 7%, former Gov. Mike Huckabee at 5%.

Huckabee and McCain might as well drop out.


Hillary's probably gonna wipe the floor with Obama come '08 anyway.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 14, 2009, 09:15:59 PM
lol

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A new Mason-Dixon statewide survey of likely primary voters in South Carolina (conducted 6/13 through 6/15) finds:


•Among 329 Democrats, Sen. Barack Obama leads Sen. Hillary Clinton 34% to 25% in a statewide primary; former Sen. John Edwards trails with 12%.


•Among 432 Republicans, former Sen. Fred Thompson edges out former Mayor Rudy Giuliani 25% to 21% in a statewide primary; former Gov. Mitt Romney trails at 11%, Sen. John McCain at 7%, former Gov. Mike Huckabee at 5%.

Huckabee and McCain might as well drop out.


Hillary's probably gonna wipe the floor with Obama come '08 anyway.

I don't know.  I could imagine Obama winning Iowa, and creating a wave of momentum going into NH, only to see Clinton pull out a surprise victory in NH, and then a victory in NV, followed by an Obama win in SC.  Then maybe a Super Tuesday that ends in what's virtually a tie, followed by a long slog through to June, with Obama ultimately winning.  Obama might run into trouble though, say if the media manages to find any damaging videos from Rev. Wright sermons.

Actually, scratch all that.  Who am I kidding?  HRC's got it in the bag.

Also, latest Obama approval #s from Zogby in South Dakota (11/13-15):

approve 39%
disapprove 52%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 15, 2009, 01:10:40 AM
Big movement in the Rasmussen and Gallup daily numbers:

Rasmussen: 50% Approve, 49% Disapprove (+3, -2)

Gallup: 54% Approve, 38% Disapprove (+2, -3)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on November 15, 2009, 01:38:55 AM
Big movement in the Rasmussen and Gallup daily numbers:

Rasmussen: 50% Approve, 49% Disapprove (+3, -2)

Gallup: 54% Approve, 38% Disapprove (+2, -3)

All hail the messiah.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rob on November 15, 2009, 05:24:33 AM
Big movement in the Rasmussen and Gallup daily numbers:

Rasmussen: 50% Approve, 49% Disapprove (+3, -2)

Gallup: 54% Approve, 38% Disapprove (+2, -3)

All hail the messiah.

The hour of the Antichrist is now. The end is nigh, and the satanic Democrat Party has been given dominion over Earth.

Now we just have to hold on until Jesus returns and casts the liberals into Hell for eternity!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on November 15, 2009, 08:43:21 AM
It's not liberals that worry me, it's Obama supporters. :p

Besides, everyone knows that Jesus is on vacation right now. He's in the Bahamas.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on November 15, 2009, 08:44:00 AM
Big movement in the Rasmussen and Gallup daily numbers:

Rasmussen: 50% Approve, 49% Disapprove (+3, -2)

Gallup: 54% Approve, 38% Disapprove (+2, -3)

What's the bounce for?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 15, 2009, 09:30:38 AM
Big movement in the Rasmussen and Gallup daily numbers:

Rasmussen: 50% Approve, 49% Disapprove (+3, -2)

Gallup: 54% Approve, 38% Disapprove (+2, -3)

What's the bounce for?

Maybe because he`s "focusing on the Deficit" now ...

At least Rasmussen continues to be at 50-49 today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on November 15, 2009, 09:40:09 AM
Big movement in the Rasmussen and Gallup daily numbers:

Rasmussen: 50% Approve, 49% Disapprove (+3, -2)

Gallup: 54% Approve, 38% Disapprove (+2, -3)

What's the bounce for?

ACORN!!!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 15, 2009, 10:08:41 AM
Mason Dixon (South Carolina)

50% Approve
44% Disapprove

The statewide survey of 500 South Carolina registered voters was conducted Nov. 8-12, 2009. The margin of error is +/- 4.5 percent at a 96 percent level of confidence.

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/poll_masondixon_south_carolina.php



Fake!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on November 15, 2009, 10:22:36 AM
Mason Dixon (South Carolina)

50% Approve
44% Disapprove

The statewide survey of 500 South Carolina registered voters was conducted Nov. 8-12, 2009. The margin of error is +/- 4.5 percent at a 96 percent level of confidence.

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/poll_masondixon_south_carolina.php



Fake!
I think that was established quite a while ago. You would know that if you actually read the posts after that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on November 15, 2009, 02:51:56 PM
Big movement in the Rasmussen and Gallup daily numbers:

Rasmussen: 50% Approve, 49% Disapprove (+3, -2)

Gallup: 54% Approve, 38% Disapprove (+2, -3)

What's the bounce for?

Fort Hood speech?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on November 15, 2009, 02:59:49 PM
I'd think it was the Fort Hood speech, maybe a bit about his Asia trip mixed in.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on November 17, 2009, 01:15:36 AM
Why are all these pages so wide?

I hate this thread.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 18, 2009, 01:36:17 AM
Montana (Montana State University):

37% Approve
53% Disapprove

In terms of his overall job performance, a majority (82.5%) of Democrats approved of the
job the president is doing, while majorities of Republicans (87.2%) and independents
(53.4%) replied “disapprove” to this question.

http://www.msubillings.edu/cas/NAMS/2009MSUBPollDay2.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BM on November 18, 2009, 10:08:55 AM
Quinnipiac:
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President Barack Obama's job approval rating is 48 - 42 percent, the first time he has slipped below the 50 percent threshold nationally, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today. Support for the war in Afghanistan and approval of President Obama's handling of the war also is down in the last month, and Republican support for the war is more than twice as strong as Democratic support.

 Rasmussen:
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The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 26% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -14. That matches the lowest Approval Index rating yet recorded for this President


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on November 18, 2009, 10:58:04 AM
Montana (Montana State University):

37% Approve
53% Disapprove

In terms of his overall job performance, a majority (82.5%) of Democrats approved of the
job the president is doing, while majorities of Republicans (87.2%) and independents
(53.4%) replied “disapprove” to this question.

http://www.msubillings.edu/cas/NAMS/2009MSUBPollDay2.pdf

Figures, Democrats are losing popularity fast out west.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on November 18, 2009, 01:06:53 PM
Missouri(PPP)

Approve 43%
Disapprove 52%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_MO_1118.pdf

Don't worry, the Age Wave will still give him the state in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 18, 2009, 03:54:43 PM
Keeping up with bad news as well as good news:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on November 18, 2009, 06:54:14 PM
There is no good or bad. It's just numbers. :p


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 18, 2009, 07:15:29 PM
My bias is evident enough, and well known.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on November 19, 2009, 03:28:27 PM
Recent national polling:

ABC/WaPo: 56% Approve, 42% Disapprove
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/postpoll_111609.html?hpid=topnews
CBS (adults):  53% Approve, 36% Disapprove
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_obama_111709.pdf
CNN (adults):  55% Approve, 42% Disapprove
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/11/17/rel17d.pdf
FOX (RV):  46% Approve, 46% Disapprove
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/111909_ObamaPoll.pdf
PPP (RV):  49% Approve, 46% Disapprove
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_1119.pdf
Quinnipiac (RV):  48% Approve, 42% Disapprove
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1397


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on November 19, 2009, 04:57:39 PM
Recent national polling:

ABC/WaPo: 56% Approve, 42% Disapprove
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/postpoll_111609.html?hpid=topnews
CBS (adults):  53% Approve, 36% Disapprove
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_obama_111709.pdf
CNN (adults):  55% Approve, 42% Disapprove
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/11/17/rel17d.pdf
FOX (RV):  46% Approve, 46% Disapprove
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/111909_ObamaPoll.pdf
PPP (RV):  49% Approve, 46% Disapprove
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_1119.pdf
Quinnipiac (RV):  48% Approve, 42% Disapprove
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1397

The problem for Obama is that the good numbers are given by bad pollsters.

Plus:

Gallup: 50-44 (the lowest)
Rasmussen: 46-52 (the lowest also)

IMO, Obama is actually  losing ground due to KSM trial.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 19, 2009, 05:47:03 PM
Recent national polling:

ABC/WaPo: 56% Approve, 42% Disapprove
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/postpoll_111609.html?hpid=topnews
CBS (adults):  53% Approve, 36% Disapprove
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_obama_111709.pdf
CNN (adults):  55% Approve, 42% Disapprove
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/11/17/rel17d.pdf
FOX (RV):  46% Approve, 46% Disapprove
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/111909_ObamaPoll.pdf
PPP (RV):  49% Approve, 46% Disapprove
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_1119.pdf
Quinnipiac (RV):  48% Approve, 42% Disapprove
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1397

The problem for Obama is that the good numbers are given by bad pollsters.

Plus:

Gallup: 50-44 (the lowest)
Rasmussen: 46-52 (the lowest also)

IMO, Obama is actually  losing ground due to KSM trial.

The criminal trial has yet to begin.

Khalid Mohammed is appropriately tried in a civilian court because his crimes were largely against American civilians and against foreigners who have reasonable protection in American law. The Twin Towers were not military installations; the Pentagon was. More people died at or near the Twin Towers.

Someone who attacks military personnel or bases is appropriately tried by courts-martial. Persons involved in the murderous assault on the USS Cole would appropriately be tried in a military tribunal.

As a rule I do not discuss court cases under litigation and refrain from predicting any verdicts. It is appropriate that elected officials keep their mouths shut about criminal cases. Yes, our President goofed on the KSM case.  

.... New York State checks in with no obvious surprise:

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Just an update.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on November 19, 2009, 05:52:59 PM
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The criminal trial has yet to begin.

Khalid Mohammed is appropriately tried in a civilian court because his crimes were largely against American civilians and against foreigners who have reasonable protection in American law. The Twin Towers were not military installations; the Pentagon was. More people died at or near the Twin Towers.

Someone who attacks military personnel or bases is appropriately tried by courts-martial. Persons involved in the murderous assault on the USS Cole would appropriately be tried in a military tribunal.

As a rule I do not discuss court cases under litigation and refrain from predicting any verdicts. It is appropriate that elected officials keep their mouths shut about criminal cases. Yes, our President goofed on the KSM case.
   
But the decisions that have been made about the trial have been unpopular.
You can spout all that crap you want, but most people don't know that, or don't care. This is an approval ratings thread, and it has obviously sunken Obama's approval ratings.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on November 19, 2009, 05:59:08 PM
Recent national polling:

ABC/WaPo: 56% Approve, 42% Disapprove
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/hp/ssi/wpc/postpoll_111609.html?hpid=topnews
CBS (adults):  53% Approve, 36% Disapprove
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_obama_111709.pdf
CNN (adults):  55% Approve, 42% Disapprove
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/11/17/rel17d.pdf
FOX (RV):  46% Approve, 46% Disapprove
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/111909_ObamaPoll.pdf
PPP (RV):  49% Approve, 46% Disapprove
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_1119.pdf
Quinnipiac (RV):  48% Approve, 42% Disapprove
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1397

Why should anybody take CBS, ABC, or CNN polls seriously? They have proven to be inaccurate.

Interestingly, if you go to pollster.com and filter all polls conducted by TV stations, Obama's approval works out to be 49.9% Approve, 45.1% Disapprove.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 19, 2009, 10:04:36 PM
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The criminal trial has yet to begin.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is appropriately tried in a civilian court because his crimes were largely against American civilians and against foreigners who have reasonable protection in American law. The Twin Towers were not military installations; the Pentagon was. More people died at or near the Twin Towers.

Someone who attacks military personnel or bases is appropriately tried by courts-martial. Persons involved in the murderous assault on the USS Cole would appropriately be tried in a military tribunal.

As a rule I do not discuss court cases under litigation and refrain from predicting any verdicts. It is appropriate that elected officials keep their mouths shut about criminal cases. Yes, our President goofed on the KSM case.
   
But the decisions that have been made about the trial have been unpopular.
You can spout all that crap you want, but most people don't know that, or don't care. This is an approval ratings thread, and it has obviously sunken Obama's approval ratings.

There will be good news, and there will be bad news for the President. What should a criminal trial of an alleged  terrorist in no way connected to any interest group in the United States have to do with the performance of the President? This is one of those things that happens. It's over an event, horrible as it was, that ended eight years ago. KSM is not going to be held in indefinite detention in Guantanamo.

The trial will not drag on indefinitely. If you know me from other Forums I never predict the result of any criminal trial in the United States before a verdict is reached.  At least not any more. I thought that OJ Simpson would be convicted for the murder of his ex-wife and that Scott Peterson would walk. The legal process works much the same irrespective of who is President.

I can predict this: KSM will fail badly at any attempt to use his trial as a forum for pushing his ideology of murderous Jihad. In view of what he is charged with he will need an acquittal lest he be buried alive in the federal criminal system, most likely a Supermax facility, until he dies in prison, lethal injection or otherwise. He has that to concern himself with above all else.

Terrorists of various kinds have been convicted in the federal courts, and their prospects upon conviction have been unpleasant. Need I mention the WTC bombers, Aryan Nations figures, Nichols and McVeigh, and the Unabomber? People involved in the embassy bombings in Nairobi and Dar es-Salaam? Did any of those cases have any influence upon subsequent elections?

Heck, state prosecutions have dealt effectively with terrorists. Do you remember the case of Mir Aimal Kasi, who positioned himself to mow down people leaving CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia? He was eventually arrested by federal authorities and turned over to the legal system of the State of Virginia.  Hew has since been executed for murder -- a State violation, and not a federal one.

Much possible evidence and testimony will need to be stricken from the case... but if the federal prosecutors are effective, and they seem ready for the case... I need say no more.   



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 19, 2009, 10:11:41 PM
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The criminal trial has yet to begin.

Khalid Mohammed is appropriately tried in a civilian court because his crimes were largely against American civilians and against foreigners who have reasonable protection in American law. The Twin Towers were not military installations; the Pentagon was. More people died at or near the Twin Towers.

Someone who attacks military personnel or bases is appropriately tried by courts-martial. Persons involved in the murderous assault on the USS Cole would appropriately be tried in a military tribunal.

As a rule I do not discuss court cases under litigation and refrain from predicting any verdicts. It is appropriate that elected officials keep their mouths shut about criminal cases. Yes, our President goofed on the KSM case.
   
But the decisions that have been made about the trial have been unpopular.
You can spout all that crap you want, but most people don't know that, or don't care. This is an approval ratings thread, and it has obviously sunken Obama's approval ratings.

It's also transitory. It's not on the same level as the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq; it doesn't involve the economy. It doesn't even entail a trial of persons from the prior administration -- which could make the President look vindictive.

Whether the House and Senate pass health care reform will matter far more greatly to voters in 2012. So will whether we have some resolution of wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on November 20, 2009, 02:32:30 PM
Gallup:

Approve - 49%
Disapprove - 44%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on November 20, 2009, 02:36:34 PM
Not good for Obama...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on November 20, 2009, 02:39:40 PM
Rasmussen (LV)
Approve: 47% (+1)
Disapprove: 52%

Gallup (A)
Approve: 49% (-1)
Disapprove: 44%

The approvals are similar averaging to 48%. The Disapprovals aren't, but they average to 48%, also. I know the two use different voter types, but the average of them makes Obama as well liked as he is disliked. I saw the other post for Gallup, but I just wanted to give a quick analysis of the two.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on November 20, 2009, 02:54:00 PM

The answer to Rush Limbaugh...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Inmate Trump on November 20, 2009, 06:24:31 PM
He's dropping fast!

But I thought he was going to unite the country?

If this keeps up, he may well prove himself to be a bigger divider than George W. Bush ever was.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on November 20, 2009, 07:09:47 PM
I wouldn't call that fast at all.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on November 20, 2009, 07:11:56 PM
You guys are dumb. Guess whose approval ratings dropped faster than Obama's?


Ronald Reagan, he of the 49-state re-election victory.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 20, 2009, 08:29:28 PM
You guys are dumb. Guess whose approval ratings dropped faster than Obama's?


Ronald Reagan, he of the 49-state re-election victory.

Considering that Barack Obama's political talents are similar to those of Ronald Reagan, I'm not unduly concerned. There have been and will be ups and downs. I think that President Obama made a gaffe in prejudging the KSM trial (he should have kept his mouth shut on that one because he has no personal involvement in the case and really can't), he's going to get as much heat as Richard Nixon got in prejudging the Tate-LaBianca murders. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on November 20, 2009, 08:40:40 PM
You guys are dumb. Guess whose approval ratings dropped faster than Obama's?


Ronald Reagan, he of the 49-state re-election victory.

So Obama is going to lose Minnesota? :D


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 20, 2009, 08:54:33 PM
This may be more relevant:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_1120.pdf

(Basically, how would you vote, given the choices?)  :

Obama 49
Huckabee 44

Obama 51
Palin 43

Obama 46
Paul 38

Obama 48
Romney 43

Significantly the sample showed that there was only a 2% difference in the number of voters found who had voted for Obama and for McCain in 2008, indicating that this sample is likely more R-leaning than the average. The potential Republican candidate was shown first in the PDF.

All four potential opponents seem to do less well against Obama than did McCain. I could play little games by trying to adjust the mutual ratings by arbitrary factors, including the practice of splitting the difference... but such would be imprecise. Huckabee and Romney both have serious weaknesses of regional support, and both Palin and Paul have such serious nationwide weaknesses that either would be crushed in LBJ-style landslides.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on November 20, 2009, 08:57:11 PM
This may be more relevant:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_1120.pdf

(Basically, how would you vote, given the choices?)  :

Obama 49
Huckabee 44

Obama 51
Palin 43

Obama 46
Paul 38

Obama 48
Romney 43

Significantly the sample showed that there was only a 2% difference in the number of voters found who had voted for Obama and for McCain in 2008, indicating that this sample is likely more R-leaning than the average. The potential Republican candidate was shown first in the PDF.

All four potential opponents seem to do less well against Obama than did McCain. I could play little games by trying to adjust the mutual ratings by arbitrary factors... but such would be imprecise. Huckabee and Romney both have serious weaknesses of regional support, and both Palin and Paul have such serious nationwide weaknesses that either would be crushed in LBJ-style landslides.  

Paul would get crushed, but even though I dispise the Gov. I gotta say, I think she'd atleast hit 150-175 electoral votes.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Inmate Trump on November 20, 2009, 09:00:44 PM
As I've said elsewhere, while I personally will never support Obama and while my heart flutters a little bit when I see his popularity declining, I don't see any way at all that the Republicans can take back the White House in 2012.  The next presidential election Republicans have a chance at winning is 2016.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 20, 2009, 11:07:51 PM
This may be more relevant:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_1120.pdf

(Basically, how would you vote, given the choices?)  :

Obama 49
Huckabee 44

Obama 51
Palin 43

Obama 46
Paul 38

Obama 48
Romney 43

Significantly the sample showed that there was only a 2% difference in the number of voters found who had voted for Obama and for McCain in 2008, indicating that this sample is likely more R-leaning than the average. The potential Republican candidate was shown first in the PDF.

All four potential opponents seem to do less well against Obama than did McCain. I could play little games by trying to adjust the mutual ratings by arbitrary factors... but such would be imprecise. Huckabee and Romney both have serious weaknesses of regional support, and both Palin and Paul have such serious nationwide weaknesses that either would be crushed in LBJ-style landslides.  

Paul would get crushed, but even though I dispise the Gov. I gotta say, I think she'd atleast hit 150-175 electoral votes.

Were I to simply split the undecided vote 50-50, which I figure is the most charitable thing to do, I would expect a 54-46 split of the vote. Obama would win everything that he won in 2008, pick up Missouri (which would take very little change in the national percentage of votes to win), Montana (more "iffy"), and Arizona (no Favorite Son Republican candidate) while making the Dakotas and Georgia really close. If the undecided largely stayed home, one would simply divide both 51% and 43% by 0.94 (division by a number less than one gives a large number, so don't be shocked), and we'd see about the same thing (54.2% versus 45.8%), which wouldn't result in many more electoral votes on the net going to Obama in 2012 than in 2008.

Basically you are right and I am wring; Obama would end up with about  380 to 400 electoral votes, leaving Sarah Palin with 140 to 160 electoral votes (Obama would have to pick up either Arizona or Missouri simply to offset the number of electoral votes that he loses from re-apportionment of Congressional seats in those states that he won in 2008; almost all will have lost seats), and Sarah Palin will have come out with the third-highest electoral vote total ever for someone not a white male.

Either way, you are right.  No electoral blowout happens unless the polarization of the American electorate doesn't abate.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl on November 20, 2009, 11:14:45 PM
This may be more relevant:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_1120.pdf

(Basically, how would you vote, given the choices?)  :

Obama 49
Huckabee 44

Obama 51
Palin 43

Obama 46
Paul 38

Obama 48
Romney 43

Significantly the sample showed that there was only a 2% difference in the number of voters found who had voted for Obama and for McCain in 2008, indicating that this sample is likely more R-leaning than the average. The potential Republican candidate was shown first in the PDF.

All four potential opponents seem to do less well against Obama than did McCain. I could play little games by trying to adjust the mutual ratings by arbitrary factors... but such would be imprecise. Huckabee and Romney both have serious weaknesses of regional support, and both Palin and Paul have such serious nationwide weaknesses that either would be crushed in LBJ-style landslides.  

Paul would get crushed, but even though I dispise the Gov. I gotta say, I think she'd atleast hit 150-175 electoral votes.
Nothing more than baseless conjecture. Paul does not currently have an iota of profile that Palin does. People know Palin, and dislike Palin. They don't know Paul.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on November 20, 2009, 11:31:46 PM
He's dropping fast!

But I thought he was going to unite the country?

If this keeps up, he may well prove himself to be a bigger divider than George W. Bush ever was.
You know that's kind of different when there was a propaganda machine(the Democrats have one too so don't throw the OMG BIASED LIBERAL CARD at me) geared up against him from the beginning and he didn't have the right kind of angry, populist rhetoric during a terrible recession. Obama would be a great uniter during peacetime but during a long recession, where there is much anger against the "elite" and the establishment he is definitely polarizing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on November 20, 2009, 11:48:21 PM
As I've said elsewhere, while I personally will never support Obama and while my heart flutters a little bit when I see his popularity declining, I don't see any way at all that the Republicans can take back the White House in 2012.  The next presidential election Republicans have a chance at winning is 2016.

People predicted in 2005 that if the GOP nominated McCain he would coast to Clinton '96 style landslide.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 20, 2009, 11:52:26 PM
He's dropping fast!

But I thought he was going to unite the country?

If this keeps up, he may well prove himself to be a bigger divider than George W. Bush ever was.
You know that's kind of different when there was a propaganda machine(the Democrats have one too so don't throw the OMG BIASED LIBERAL CARD at me) geared up against him from the beginning and he didn't have the right kind of angry, populist rhetoric during a terrible recession. Obama would be a great uniter during peacetime but during a long recession, where there is much anger against the "elite" and the establishment he is definitely polarizing.

To be effective at undoing the recession the President will have to keep his wits. Anger will solve nothing. Sure, he can turn the full force of the legal system at corrupt figures who made the recession possible, but any recovery that we have will not depend upon demagogic attacks on finance.

Investment bankers and subprime lenders may not be our favored people, but if the cost of getting out of a recession and preventing a recession is to enrich investment bankers and subprime lenders, then guess what we must do. Sometimes the most tempting course of political action is the wrong one. Sometimes one must wait for the opportune moment.

... I am convinced that we Americans voted for Obama because he was more rational than the alternative. Just imagine how bad things could have gotten if we had elected the neurotic combination of McCain/Palin (McCain is not neurotic, so far as I can figure, and Palin may not be as crazy as we liberals are prone to think that she is, but she is enough of a loose cannon to muck things up badly; the neurotic situation would come from the technocratic President and a right-wing demagogue as VP).

Obama has gone after financial scammers and tax cheats -- but scammers and tax cheats have brought harm instead of prosperity to America. Dubya looked the other way, which is not so much conservatism as it is inattention. Whatever political risks there may be in the reform of health care have the potential offset of allowing America to become more competitive in the worldwide economy. One cost will be the need for a full-employment economy...  but health-care reform might end up creating more jobs and more opportunities for business.
      


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on November 21, 2009, 01:40:56 AM
The idea that Obama was going to end partisanship seems ridiculous in itself. I'm fairly confident that as of now, Obama will win re-election. It seems inevitable that whatever he does will attract hatred, even if the economy is able to recover. The Right has sprung into action, and Obama is beginning to have a fierce hatred that will come close to the feelings that the Doves felt back in 2003 & 2004. I think that this decade will be the paramount of polarization.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on November 21, 2009, 12:55:54 PM
He's dropping fast!

But I thought he was going to unite the country?

If this keeps up, he may well prove himself to be a bigger divider than George W. Bush ever was.

Perhaps, the cerebral pragmatist, who stands somewhere between modern liberalism and the "cult of neoliberalism" is proving too much for 'conservatives'


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 22, 2009, 02:41:23 AM
Iowa: The Des Moines Register/Selzer Poll

Adults: 49% Approve, 44% Disapprove

Likely Voters: 46% Approve, 49% Disapprove

The Iowa Poll, conducted for The Des Moines Register by Selzer & Co. Inc. of Des Moines, is based on interviews with 800 Iowans ages 18 or older. Interviewers contacted households with randomly selected telephone numbers. Percentages based on the full sample may have a maximum margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

Responses were weighted by age to reflect the general population based on recent census data. Questions based on a subsample of 539 likely voters have a margin of error of plus or minus 4.2 percentage points. Results based on smaller samples of respondents—such as by gender or age—have a larger margin of error.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20091121/NEWS/91121005/1001/Register-exclusive-Iowa-Poll-shows-Obama-approval-rating-below-50-percent

What will pbrower2a now do with IA ? ;D


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on November 22, 2009, 02:45:12 AM
Responses were weighted by age to reflect the general population based on recent census data. Questions based on a subsample of 539 likely voters have a margin of error of plus or minus 4.2 percentage points. Results based on smaller samples of respondents—such as by gender or age—have a larger margin of error.

what does that mean?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 22, 2009, 02:51:56 AM
"A poll leaked by Indiana Democratic Party Chairman Dan Parker to various news outlets shows that 63 percent of Hoosiers approve of the way Bayh is doing his job, while 31 percent disapprove.

This is based on polling in 20 competitive state legislative districts by Hamilton Campaigns. The poll was conducted between Oct. 29 and Nov. 2 and has a 3.5 percentage point margin of error. The poll talked to 800 registered and considered likely voters in the competitive districts.

The poll also showed that 56 percent of Republicans and 54 percent of independents viewed Bayh favorably.

President Barack Obama, who carried Indiana last year, did not do as well in the poll. The president was viewed favorably by 48 percent of those asked, while 51 percent viewed him unfavorably."

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20091121/COLUMNISTS20/911220315/Notes+From+Washington

Considering that it is an internal poll and the fact that Indiana has about 100 House districts and about 50 Senate districts, we shouldn't include this poll into the map (only 20 districts polled).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 22, 2009, 03:26:48 AM
Considering that it is an internal poll and the fact that Indiana has about 100 House districts and about 50 Senate districts, we shouldn't include this poll into the map (only 20 districts polled).

Plus it's favorability rather than job approval.  Though pbrower seems to be oblivious to that distinction....


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 22, 2009, 03:32:25 AM
Iowa? I average two polls (one "adults" and one "likely voters")  from one of my favorite sources (Selzer). Who now knows who the likely voters of 2012 are almost three years away from the election, though? Indiana checks in, and even if Obama is above 50% disapproval, it's not by much there. Both Iowa and Indiana are virtual ties, and I go by the same rules that I have been going on in presenting the two states on the approval/disapproval map. We don't get many polls from Indiana, so as the adage goes, beggars can't be choosers:

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The Republicans are not going to win the Presidential election in 2012 if they get less than 52% of the vote in Indiana (barring a third party candidate).

If I were starting the map anew I would go by margins instead of by percentages, but it might be too late to do so in this forum. I'd probably use a very pale shade for a margin of less than 4%. shown as it would look (but only for Indiana and Iowa on this one):


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Of course, if you'd like to see me do things that way (4% is a usual margin of error in polling), then suggest so. I'm not going back to make the modification for earlier polls, though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 22, 2009, 03:51:24 AM
You shouldn't include Indiana in your map at all:

A) It was done for the DEM Party of Indiana.

B) Only 20 Legislative Districts were polled. Indiana has 50 Senate and 100 House districts. It`s not representative of the state.

C) Obama`s numbers are favorables, not approval ratings.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 22, 2009, 04:36:10 AM
Plus it's favorability rather than job approval.  Though pbrower seems to be oblivious to that distinction....

Indiana checks in, and even if Obama is above 50% disapproval, it's not by much there.

Lol.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 22, 2009, 10:02:15 AM
You shouldn't include Indiana in your map at all:

A) It was done for the DEM Party of Indiana.

B) Only 20 Legislative Districts were polled. Indiana has 50 Senate and 100 House districts. It`s not representative of the state.

C) Obama`s numbers are favorables, not approval ratings.

A) Not so obvious.

It was leaked, and it seems reasonable enough in view of results from neighboring states. If the GOP had one I would show it because Indiana is polled so rarely.If the Republicans came out with a seemingly-honest poll, then I might have to average it in  or, if it comes out a bit later than that, even allow it to supplant this one.

Ask yourself this: why would the Democrats want anything other than an objective poll of support for Obama in Indiana?

B) Exit polls can be done on far less.

C) I work with what I have.

What would I reject?

I haven't been rejecting Rasmussen polls because they go through the network that calls itself "Fair and Balanced". I would reject an "interactive" poll (some club could flood a pollster with votes), one soliciting the votes of members of a group (party members only, a union, a gun-rights group, an ethnic group, a gay-rights group, or a veteran's organization), or a non-statewide poll  that applies only to one area other than a congressional district that gets a vote (one of the two Congressional districts of Maine or one of three Congressional districts of Nebraska -- but not, let us say, "Greater Indianapolis"). For example, I have not used polls for New York City. Registered Democrats in Oklahoma would surely give a strong positive opinion of Obama, and registered Republicans in New York would give a strong unfavorable view of the president.

A push poll is of course to be rejected irrespective of the source.

It is relevant that Evan Bayh is doing far better than the President in Indiana. If the GOP wants to leak a similar poll that contrasts Senator Dick Lugar to President Obama, then so be it.  But let's look at the facts about recent polls: one year after he is elected President, Obama has lost too little support to suggest that he is in extreme danger danger of losing a re-election bid in 2012. 

If you want some idea of what is dragging President Obama down, then look no further than this:

President Obama hasn't yet solved every economic problem that Dubya left behind. (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/11/its-still-economy-dumbass.html)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on November 22, 2009, 04:47:52 PM
It was leaked...by a Democratic party official.  Intentionally.  With his name attached.  That's not a leak.  That's a press release.  And what incentive would they have to highball Obama?  In the process of getting a sample that shows the Indiana Democrats hanging tough, obviously.

And it's still favorability, which is always quite a bit higher for Obama.  Why are you equalizing the two?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 22, 2009, 05:07:21 PM
Ask yourself this: why would the Democrats want anything other than an objective poll of support for Obama in Indiana?

Lol.

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I haven't been rejecting Rasmussen polls because they go through the network that calls itself "Fair and Balanced".

Rasmussen doesn't poll for Fox.  Opinion Dynamics does.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 22, 2009, 07:26:11 PM
It was leaked...by a Democratic party official.  Intentionally.  With his name attached.  That's not a leak.  That's a press release.  And what incentive would they have to highball Obama?  In the process of getting a sample that shows the Indiana Democrats hanging tough, obviously.

And it's still favorability, which is always quite a bit higher for Obama.  Why are you equalizing the two?

Not that much.

It's all that is available other than someone's seat-of-the-pants guess.  This isn't the "My Guess Entirely on My Intuition or Wishful Thinking" thread.  

I am not rejecting polls unless they have evidence of fabrication or obsolescence, are interactive (and thus subject to manipulation), have built-in bias (as in push polls), or deliberately select an unrepresentative sample of people. It's not a perfect poll, but it is better than nothing, and it is consistent with what most of us know about Indiana -- that under the right circumstances the state can vote for the Democratic nominee for President.

I would have just as easily used a performance poll as a favorability poll. Indiana voted much out of character in 2008 in view of its electoral history, and we just don't see many polls for Indiana. I accept what is available unless it is off the wall.

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Can't we draw some conclusions about Indiana, nonetheless? The state used to be a lock for the GOP. Kerry and Gore lost the state by large margins. Clinton never won the state even though every state bordering Indiana went for him in both 1992 and 1996 in near-landslide elections. In the close election of 1960, JFK lost the state by a large margin. In an election in which the GOP did very badly (1948), Truman barely lost the state. FDR lost the state in 1940 and 1944 during landslides.  Indiana can go for the Democratic nominee if everything goes right for the Democratic situation and almost everything goes wrong for the Republican -- as in 2008.

Look at the difference between 2008 and most other Presidential elections in Indiana:

1. The statewide economy was in the sewer, and Republicans seem to have gotten the blame.

2. Obama is one of the slickest, shrewdest politicians in American history.

3. Obama is from a neighboring state, and much of Indiana is deluged with Illinois news that has been favorably disposed to him.

4. Obama actively campaigned in Indiana, which Democratic nominees haven't usually done.  

5. The GOP treated Indiana with undue complacency.

6. The state has been approaching the national norm; the state's Senate and Hose delegations are split as evenly as they can be.

7. The Religious Right isn't particularly strong in the state.

The first will no longer be true; either the Indiana economy will be improved, which creates a wild card, or things will be worse, and Democrats will get the blame and Obama will lose. The second and third will surely remain true. The fourth?


Indiana was one of the weakest of Obama's victories in 2008, and it is the state that he is most likely to lose in 2012. He has a lower ceiling for votes in the state than in any of the states that he won. There were times in 2008 in which he seemed to need Indiana; in 2012. such won't be the case. He will either be running to preserve his political life in 2008 in which other states are easier targets, or he will be so far ahead that he won't need to campaign much. Your guess is as good as mine on that.

On the fifth,  I predict that the GOP will be contesting Indiana much more ferociously in 2012, so that may be the difference in 2012.  This thread does not predict how statewide Parties will behave in 2012.   Should  the GOP contest the state in 2012, then the ceiling for Obama might slip to 47% or something like that, and he will abandon his efforts to win the state.

On the sixth and seventh -- look at the Congressional delegation, as evenly split as possible in a state with an odd number of Representatives. Such would be so even if Obama had lost the state. Indiana is a tough state for any Democratic nominee to win, and impossible for many. But Indiana is no longer exempt from the political trends that exist in neighboring states.

The Religious Right, one of the largest sources of reliable GOP voters over the last thirty years or so,  isn't getting any bigger

If I can derive any conclusion from any of this -- it's that the GOP will have to do something to win Indiana next time. It's not the sure thing that it used to be.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BM on November 23, 2009, 03:53:03 AM
Rasmussen and Gallup had equal approval ratings today - 48%. Is that a first?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 23, 2009, 03:58:45 AM
Rasmussen and Gallup had equal approval ratings today - 48%. Is that a first?

No, it happened before that they were on the same level - but only a few times.

The racist fearmonger-bytch Rush Limbaugh thinks Gallup is making up their numbers by increasing the "Black sample" to keep Obama above 50% (too bad they have him below 50 now):

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_111909/content/01125106.guest.html

Enter Gallup-guy:

Rush Limbaugh stated on his radio program Thursday that several polls have shown President Obama’s job approval rating to be below 50%, while Gallup’s has not. Limbaugh then stated: “Gallup has it [Obama’s job approval rating] just teetering there on the little teeter-totter at 50%, and they're doing everything they can, they’re upping the sample of black Americans, to keep him up at 50% in the Gallup Poll.”

This statement is a complete and inexplicable fabrication. Gallup has a 70-year history of providing unbiased, scientific measures of public attitudes. Gallup is not now, nor has it ever, modified its data in order to achieve any desired result.

http://pollingmatters.gallup.com/2009/11/response-to-rush-limbaughs-claim.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 23, 2009, 04:12:21 AM

I haven't been rejecting Rasmussen polls because they go through the network that calls itself "Fair and Balanced".

Rasmussen doesn't poll for Fox.  Opinion Dynamics does.

That`s not really true:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/missouri/election_2008_missouri_presidential_election

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=87502.0


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 23, 2009, 04:53:41 AM

I haven't been rejecting Rasmussen polls because they go through the network that calls itself "Fair and Balanced".

Rasmussen doesn't poll for Fox.  Opinion Dynamics does.

That`s not really true:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/missouri/election_2008_missouri_presidential_election

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=87502.0

Ah, OK.  Wasn't aware of that.  Still, most Rasmussen polls are not specifically for Fox.  And Fox more commonly teams with Opinion Dynamics.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on November 23, 2009, 09:47:33 AM
Arizona(Rasmussen)

Approve 40%
Disapprove 60%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/arizona/election_2010_arizona_governor_election


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on November 23, 2009, 10:35:41 AM
Arizona(Rasmussen)

Approve 40%
Disapprove 60%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/arizona/election_2010_arizona_governor_election

Bad, but nationwide-8, so not that bad I suppose.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on November 23, 2009, 12:22:28 PM
Arizona(Rasmussen)

Approve 40%
Disapprove 60%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/arizona/election_2010_arizona_governor_election

Bad, but nationwide-8, so not that bad I suppose.

-8 due to Mc Cain. Arizona is a swing state, in normal times.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: MasterJedi on November 23, 2009, 03:07:43 PM
Keep on going down, slowly for all I care. Hopefully he'll be down enough that we can tank his ass easily come 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 23, 2009, 03:30:36 PM
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Arizona has some crazy politics. Joe Arpaio for Governor? John McCain faces a primary challenge from someone far out in right field -- and I don't mean a former member of the Arizona Diamondbacks. That's not an excuse. Arizona stands to be a disaster for Obama even without a Favorite Son. Have I been overestimating John McCain?

 



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Applezz on November 23, 2009, 04:24:44 PM

I still don't understand what the colors and letters in the map stand for. Can you please give a key or explain what they stand for.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 23, 2009, 04:27:47 PM
Keep on going down, slowly for all I care. Hopefully he'll be down enough that we can tank his ass easily come 2012.

Be careful what you wish for; you might just get it, not like it, and be unable to get rid of it. America was beginning to have the sorts of politics and economic philosophies (90% of the people suffering for 5% of the people) typical in places that people used to immigrate to America to get away from. You really don't want to be around in such a place unless you are one of the exploiters or one of the well-paid enforcers chosen for ruthless sociopathy. The GOP believes in that today, and I don't expect that to change in three years.

Yes, it is the economy. There's no easy and swift exit from the consequences of bad economic policies associated with GOP majorities in the House and Senate between 1994 and 2006 and with the Rove/Cheney/Bush administration. A fender-bender collision may be over in a few seconds, but the damaged vehicles take several days to get repaired even when all goes well. So it is with an economy as f---ed up as ours got... if you look at the sudden meltdown as the equivalent of the collision. That collision was no mere bit of bad luck that could happen to anyone just as readily; our economy was intoxicated on bad lending and cheap imports.

Ronald Reagan lost much of his popularity in 1981, but he chose to stay the course. He stuck to his supply-side economics, the right course for dealing with stagflation. This time with Obama, which better resembles the economic realities of 1931 than of 1981, we need Keynesian pump-priming of the sort that we got in 1933. We have just faced the diametric opposite of stagflation.

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Take a good look at the above graph and see whether a more rapid reversal from

 (1) a steady decline from September 2007 to September 2008
 (2) the cliff-like fall of the S&P in September 2008, and
 (3) some further decay until February 2009

is possible. Productivity rises, and stale inventories get sold off, before people get their jobs back or find new ones.  The bear market abates before the recovery gets people back to work. When you consider that the jagged blue line of 2007-2009 started hugging the gray line of 1929-1933 and we are now in a more normal recession -- that's progress. We have yet to get back to the same level as the top of the cliff that we went down in September of last year.

Our economy is no longer plastered.  We have sobered up, and it hasn't been fun -- just necessary.  

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 23, 2009, 06:14:09 PM

I still don't understand what the colors and letters in the map stand for. Can you please give a key or explain what they stand for.

Letters are codes for the months of the year in which the most recent poll has been taken. A is for January, B is for February... I is for September, J is for October, K is for November, and L will be for December. I have an asterisk for some small states that I can't remember the date of the last poll, but it seems consistent with Election 2008 and the state's electoral history. Hawaii and Rhode Island are the only two that fit that category, and a Republican wins those two only in a monumental (48- or 49-state, as in 1984) landslide. "Z" is for a state that hasn't been polled for more than six months; of those the only one that I have in color is Oklahoma, a state that would go to the Democrats only in something like a 45-state landslide.

In essence, white is an exact tie of the most recent poll or some polls that I have averaged to a tie. Gray indicates the lack of a recent poll that has any credibility. For example, the last poll for South Dakota showed Obama with a positive rating -- some time back in the spring. No way do I accept that one as relevant today. Some, like Mississippi and Vermont, haven't been polled since Election 2008.  Those are also in gray (no color).

In essence, white indicates a tie or an average that is an exact tie. (If, for example I see two polls for Missouri, one of them 48-46 for Obama and the other 46-48 I presume a tie).. So it is for Colorado and Florida. Shades of green suggests that President Obama's favorable count is stronger than the unfavorable count, no matter how slight. For example, two polls, one 48-46 positive and one 47-48 negative average to a positive; two polls with the reverse would be negative even if such a different amounts to less than a whole point. Shades of yellow indicate that the support for Obama balances out to something negative.

The deeper the green, the stronger is the positive rating. A pale green indicates that the balance is less than 50% positive for Obama, but still positive. Iowa shows that this time. The next-stronger shade shows Obama with a positive rating between 50% and 55%, inclusive, as in Wisconsin. Because the usual margin of error is 4%, the difference between 50% and 54% is practically slight -- but anything above 56% is far from average.  The next-higher color, as shown in Illinois, is for a positive rating between 56% and 65%, inclusive. Beyond that is a shade for 66% to 75%, which rarely appears on the map.

Yellow operates much the same way. The most recent poll in Tennessee showed Obama behind by a very slim margin with a negative rating under 50%. (Idaho shows that, but that is a very old poll that has yet to be updated).  Beige, as shown in Missouri, suggests a negative rating between 50% and 55%, inclusive. Again, the usual margin of error is about 4% either way. Tan shows disapproval between 56% and 65%, inclusively, as in Kansas. I have never seen a disapproval rating for Obama above 65%.

I do not distinguish between favorability and approval. There just aren't enough polls in most states to allow me to make a choice. If I see a pollster showing both an approval rating and a favorability rating, I average them.



 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 24, 2009, 08:08:25 AM
New Jersey (Quinnipiac):

51% Approve
42% Disapprove

From November 17 - 22, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,615 New Jersey voters, with a margin of error of +/- 2.4 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1399


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 24, 2009, 09:19:01 AM
Weak approval in New Jersey, likely the aftermath of a gubernatorial election:


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There's no miraculous recovery from a nasty meltdown of the economy as badly abused as it was.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on November 24, 2009, 12:07:43 PM
New Jersey (Quinnipiac):

51% Approve
42% Disapprove

From November 17 - 22, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,615 New Jersey voters, with a margin of error of +/- 2.4 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1399

it's very bad for Obama and that confirms, if need, Rasmussen, gallup and fox polls.

The popularity of Obama was stable in September, october and in the first days of november but for one week, Obama is in free fall. Terrorist trial and health care are the causes for me.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 24, 2009, 01:52:21 PM
New Jersey (Quinnipiac):

51% Approve
42% Disapprove

From November 17 - 22, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,615 New Jersey voters, with a margin of error of +/- 2.4 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1399

it's very bad for Obama and that confirms, if need, Rasmussen, gallup and fox polls.

The popularity of Obama was stable in September, october and in the first days of november but for one week, Obama is in free fall. Terrorist trial and health care are the causes for me.

Freefall? I can as easily interpret it as statistical noise. New Jersey? The current governor (the new one has yet to take office) was highly unpopular.

The Hard Right has been very loud in its denunciations of President Obama. Will the effects be permanent? Good question. It's had plenty of venom but practically no solutions that haven't been tried and found badly lacking. Some of those solutions have gotten us into the predicament that we are in.

On health care the Hard Right has nothing to offer but a system that rations health care by bank account; if you lack the money you just might die. Terrorism? We are finally going to put Khalid Sheikh Mohammed on trial in America with evidence and testimony that befits a country like the USA instead of some show trial. KSM will have no chance to use the trial to push his murderous ideology. When the Hard Right had command in America it was able to waterboard KSM for self-incriminating testimony that would surely violate the Constitution.

You can be sure that KSM will have no chance to use the federal courthouse as a forum for spreading his horrible ideology. David Lane, Timothy McVeigh, Richard Reid, and Ted Kaczynski got no chance  to so use the courtroom.

The only political hazard that I see from the trial is the potential for a judicial travesty. As a rule I do not predict the results of court cases. I can figure that the Department of Justice has done what it can to ensure that KSM will have no substantial case to appeal, including testimony acquired illegally as is the wont of the prior Administration.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on November 24, 2009, 02:00:33 PM
WI:

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance? If you
approve, press 1. If you disapprove, press 2.
If you’re not sure, press 3.
Approve .......................................................... 47%
Disapprove...................................................... 47%
Not Sure.......................................................... 6%

link (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_WI_1124.pdf)

Also, this is bad for the democrats too, but they don't care about what the people think..

Do you support or oppose President Obama’s
health care plan, or do you not have an
opinion? If you support it, press 1. If you
oppose it, press 2. If you don’t have an opinion,
press 3.
Support ........................................................... 37%
Oppose ........................................................... 52%
No Opinion...................................................... 11%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on November 24, 2009, 02:12:04 PM
WI:

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance? If you
approve, press 1. If you disapprove, press 2.
If you’re not sure, press 3.
Approve .......................................................... 47%
Disapprove...................................................... 47%
Not Sure.......................................................... 6%

link (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_WI_1124.pdf)

Also, this is bad for the democrats too, but they don't care about what the people think..

Do you support or oppose President Obama’s
health care plan, or do you not have an
opinion? If you support it, press 1. If you
oppose it, press 2. If you don’t have an opinion,
press 3.
Support ........................................................... 37%
Oppose ........................................................... 52%
No Opinion...................................................... 11%

And yet polls show they support the public option...which are we to believe? Don't you think it is possible that they just disapprove of the way the health care bill has been handled by both more liberal democrats and the moderate/conservative democrats? I don't see any evidence of the majority of the country being against what is in the bill.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on November 24, 2009, 04:01:17 PM
"Do you support or oppose  President Obama’s
health care plan"

A crappy question.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: OhioDem on November 24, 2009, 06:14:52 PM
Every President has a low point like this where the glow of the Inauguration has worn off.  Right now it looks like everything is slow going with the economy, health care, whatever, so Obama's getting hit right now. But it's a long way from 2012, so he has time to recover.

And he will. There's going to be some job-creation measure passed before November. The date for the KSM trial will be set, nothing will happen because of the announcement, health care will pass. Things will start looking up next summer while the Republicans will still be talking gloom. The contrast will boost his poll numbers.()


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ronnie on November 24, 2009, 08:26:56 PM
Rasmussen is 45-54 approve-disapprove today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Applezz on November 24, 2009, 10:01:40 PM

I still don't understand what the colors and letters in the map stand for. Can you please give a key or explain what they stand for.

Letters are codes for the months of the year in which the most recent poll has been taken. A is for January, B is for February... I is for September, J is for October, K is for November, and L will be for December. I have an asterisk for some small states that I can't remember the date of the last poll, but it seems consistent with Election 2008 and the state's electoral history. Hawaii and Rhode Island are the only two that fit that category, and a Republican wins those two only in a monumental (48- or 49-state, as in 1984) landslide. "Z" is for a state that hasn't been polled for more than six months; of those the only one that I have in color is Oklahoma, a state that would go to the Democrats only in something like a 45-state landslide.

I think using the letters as codes is a bad idea because the problem is that it's hard to remember which month is which letter. For example, I have to think in my head for a few minutes which letter November is.

Instead a better idea is to simply abbreviate the months.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on November 24, 2009, 10:36:06 PM
...or number them.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pogo stick on November 24, 2009, 11:11:25 PM

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 25, 2009, 01:12:29 AM
Arizona (ASU):

48% Approve
48% Disapprove

The poll was conducted Nov. 19-22 by the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication at Arizona State University and Eight/KAET. The statewide sample of 862 registered voters was 36 percent Republican, 34 percent Democrat and 30 percent Independent. Fifty-nine percent of the interviews were conducted in Maricopa County, 17 percent in Pima County and 24 percent in Arizona’s other counties. Forty-seven percent of the voters interviewed were men and 53 percent were women. The sampling error for the statewide sample survey is plus or minus 3.3 percent.

http://www.azpbs.org/horizon/poll/2009/11-24-09.htm


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on November 25, 2009, 09:13:01 AM
Arizona (ASU):

48% Approve
48% Disapprove

The poll was conducted Nov. 19-22 by the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication at Arizona State University and Eight/KAET. The statewide sample of 862 registered voters was 36 percent Republican, 34 percent Democrat and 30 percent Independent. Fifty-nine percent of the interviews were conducted in Maricopa County, 17 percent in Pima County and 24 percent in Arizona’s other counties. Forty-seven percent of the voters interviewed were men and 53 percent were women. The sampling error for the statewide sample survey is plus or minus 3.3 percent.

http://www.azpbs.org/horizon/poll/2009/11-24-09.htm

Garbage.

Anyway, I think you could legitimately say he is in pretty rough shape now. Of course, that doesn't mean he'll be in a bad way a year from now although he could be in even worse shape if the "trend" holds.

By the way, while Obama has fallen below 50% in Gallup's tracking poll he has still yet to do so in the classic USATODAY/Gallup poll. The newest one has approve-disapprove at 50%-46% which is still not very good obviously.

http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2009/11/25/usatgallup-obama-at-50/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 25, 2009, 09:44:32 AM
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Ties in Wisconsin and Arizona. The tie in Wisconsin has nothing to which to average; the tie in Arizona does. I average 48-48 to 40-60 and I get 44-54 for Arizona. I count college polls, too.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on November 25, 2009, 09:49:52 AM
pbrower must be a climate change scientist.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on November 25, 2009, 10:10:29 AM
pbrower must be a climate change scientist.

HAHAHA, that was funny :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 25, 2009, 10:15:01 AM
pbrower must be a climate change scientist.

I am not a scientist, but I appreciate the compliment.

The science behind climate change is far better than that of the denialists, thank you. Double-blind tests and peer review are the ways in which to establish credibility in science. Political predictions? There's far more statistical noise.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on November 25, 2009, 12:01:32 PM
New Jersey (Quinnipiac):

51% Approve
42% Disapprove

From November 17 - 22, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,615 New Jersey voters, with a margin of error of +/- 2.4 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1399

it's very bad for Obama and that confirms, if need, Rasmussen, gallup and fox polls.

The popularity of Obama was stable in September, october and in the first days of november but for one week, Obama is in free fall. Terrorist trial and health care are the causes for me.

Freefall? I can as easily interpret it as statistical noise. New Jersey? The current governor (the new one has yet to take office) was highly unpopular.

The Hard Right has been very loud in its denunciations of President Obama. Will the effects be permanent? Good question. It's had plenty of venom but practically no solutions that haven't been tried and found badly lacking. Some of those solutions have gotten us into the predicament that we are in.

On health care the Hard Right has nothing to offer but a system that rations health care by bank account; if you lack the money you just might die. Terrorism? We are finally going to put Khalid Sheikh Mohammed on trial in America with evidence and testimony that befits a country like the USA instead of some show trial. KSM will have no chance to use the trial to push his murderous ideology. When the Hard Right had command in America it was able to waterboard KSM for self-incriminating testimony that would surely violate the Constitution.

You can be sure that KSM will have no chance to use the federal courthouse as a forum for spreading his horrible ideology. David Lane, Timothy McVeigh, Richard Reid, and Ted Kaczynski got no chance  to so use the courtroom.

The only political hazard that I see from the trial is the potential for a judicial travesty. As a rule I do not predict the results of court cases. I can figure that the Department of Justice has done what it can to ensure that KSM will have no substantial case to appeal, including testimony acquired illegally as is the wont of the prior Administration.

it's not statistical noise when all polls say the same thing: barack in trouble.

And the problem is not to know if Obama and democrats are right, but it's to know what the american people thinks.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on November 25, 2009, 12:37:38 PM
SurveyUSA has their monthly Obama approvals out today:

Alabama 38/59
California 53/38
Kansas 38/58
Kentucky 38/58
Missouri 38/58
New York 53/39
Oregon 47/47
Virginia 37/60
Washington 48/48

Brutal, just brutal.

The Iowa, New Mexico, and Minnesota numbers haven’t been posted on the site. I will post here when they do.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on November 25, 2009, 12:46:52 PM
SurveyUSA has their monthly Obama approvals out today:

Alabama 38/59
California 53/38
Kansas 38/58
Kentucky 38/58
Missouri 38/58
New York 53/39
Oregon 47/47
Virginia 37/60
Washington 48/48

Brutal, just brutal.

The Iowa, New Mexico, and Minnesota numbers haven’t been posted on the site. I will post here when they do.

They didn't do Iowa, NM and Minnesota last month, so I wouldn't exactly expect them this month.

Spade's extrapolation of these numbers would have Obama's approval at 45%.  However, given the states polled, I suspect that's a point or two too low.  Still not good.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on November 25, 2009, 01:01:16 PM
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I updated it with the SUSA numbers... :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on November 25, 2009, 01:04:22 PM
pbrower must be a climate change scientist.

I am not a scientist, but I appreciate the compliment.

The science behind climate change is far better than that of the denialists, thank you. Double-blind tests and peer review are the ways in which to establish credibility in science. Political predictions? There's far more statistical noise.   

Climate change deniers, creationists, or any other of the conserative sects of the science community do not know what a peer review is. Therefore, your criticism is irrelavent.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on November 25, 2009, 01:12:21 PM
I'm not a climate change denier, I don't believe in Global Warming. Our Climate is very unstable and has been from the start. I watched a TV show they other day on the Science channel talking about how in the Earth's history the climate went in cycle of unstable climate changes, up until about 10 thousands years ago. They also said that they believe that we are getting ready to come out of the clam climate stage, where the climate will change alot from year to year.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on November 25, 2009, 01:21:27 PM
I'm not a climate change denier, I don't believe in Global Warming. Our Climate is very unstable and has been from the start. I watched a TV show they other day on the Science channel talking about how in the Earth's history the climate went in cycle of unstable climate changes, up until about 10 thousands years ago. They also said that they believe that we are getting ready to come out of the clam climate stage, where the climate will change alot from year to year.

What you saw on TV does not contradict global warming, even if Rush Limbaugh says it does.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on November 25, 2009, 02:54:16 PM
I'm not a climate change denier, I don't believe in Global Warming. Our Climate is very unstable and has been from the start. I watched a TV show they other day on the Science channel talking about how in the Earth's history the climate went in cycle of unstable climate changes, up until about 10 thousands years ago. They also said that they believe that we are getting ready to come out of the clam climate stage, where the climate will change alot from year to year.

What you saw on TV does not contradict global warming, even if Rush Limbaugh says it does.

I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh, I hate him, alot. :)

I'm not saying there isn't global warming, but I don't believe it is mostly caused by humans, some of it is, but not all of it. But of course I could be wrong, but I really don't care that much.. :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on November 25, 2009, 03:23:54 PM
Clearly, a super-human standard is being expected of a Democrat but no meaningful standard for a Republican whatsoever when comparing Obama and Bush, at this stage, in their presidencies; at least, as far as the economy and jobs are concerned


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ronnie on November 25, 2009, 07:45:18 PM
USA Today/Gallup 11/22

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-11-24-Poll_N.htm

Approve: 50%
Disapprove: 46%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 25, 2009, 09:21:05 PM
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I updated it with the SUSA numbers... :)


USA Today/Gallup 11/22

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-11-24-Poll_N.htm

Approve: 50%
Disapprove: 46%

I checked the crosstabs for one state (Virginia) and found them far out of line. For example, the generation with the lowest approval for Obama was  the youngest generation of voters. It is hard to figure why the youngest voters, the most liberal generation in American history, would turn so sharply against Obama.  The same also appears in Missouri, a state culturally similar to Virginia. Paradoxically this is opposite the effect in Kentucky, but it also appears in Kansas. (The likelihood of Obama winning either Kansas or Kentucky in 2012 with any recent scenarios is practically nil).

In Washington State, the age connection is completely inverse to expectations -- support for Obama increases with age. In California and Oregon, they are practically even. Is California politically that much different from Washington State as it is similar in age-voting patterns as Oregon?

Anyone who expects Obama support in Alabama above 40% (it is 38%, according to SUSA) is a fool. But should Obama's support in Missouri, Virginia, or Kentucky be as low as it is in Alabama?

Also with respect to Virginia, the African-American support is way down from what one could reasonably expect. Obama gets support in the supposed low 60s in Virginia but the high 70s in Alabama, suggesting that African-American voting in Virginia is vastly different from that in Alabama. 

Such a precipitous fall in support is highly unlikely for any President except in the wake of a gigantic scandal. All other bad news (economic failure, military reverses) take time to develop. One would have to have the sudden eruption of something so troublesome as the exposure of bribe-taking by (then) VP Spiro T. Agnew or the dereliction of duty of (current Governor of South Carolina) Mark Sanford.  Support for neither Richard Nixon nor George W. Bush ever fell so fast as the SUSA polls here suggest.

Except  for the result for Alabama I consider every one of the SUSA polls to be spurious. They are inconsistent with the results of recent tracking polls -- even those least favorable to Barack Obama.  They show major inconsistencies of patterns of support between polls. To be sure, I can't quite throw them out without some obvious cause, but I can denote them with the letter S as in spurious. I shall consider those in Alabama and Kansas genuine.

If I see any reasonable poll that contradicts them, then I shall immediately replace the "S"  poll with a new one with no effort to average it with the questionable SUSA poll. 

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Republicans might take heart in the poor showings for Obama in some of the SUSA polls -- but the public opinion of their Party isn't great, either. Could it be that these poor showings, if valid, suggest that President Obama is vulnerable to a challenge from political figures further Left than he? The GOP so far has no means of exploiting any such sentiment.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on November 25, 2009, 09:27:18 PM
LOL. It's kinda funny which polls he questions, and which ones he doesn't. I've never seen someone that can write so much, but ultimately say so little in their posts.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on November 25, 2009, 09:46:26 PM
I doubt his approval rating is that high in North Carolina now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 25, 2009, 09:51:08 PM
LOL. It's kinda funny which polls he questions, and which ones he doesn't. I've never seen someone that can write so much, but ultimately say so little in their posts.

Outliers attract investigation.  If other statewide polls corroborate those, then "S"s will be replaced most likely with "L" this month, "M" in December, or "A" in January. Polls just don't move so wildly without explanation, and polls that suggest the same thing don't exhibit so many anomalies.

Did you even read the crosstabs? I leave them alone when the polls in question seem consistent with others.  Yes, I was looking for cause to discredit them. You are even welcome to claim that the "S" stands not so much for "spurious" as "spite on my part". Some of these look like somebody's wishful thinking more than they look like reasonable assessments of political reality. When crosstabs suggest very different behavior by similar parts of the respective electorates in states that have some similarity, then something is fishy.

Possible? Sure. I haven't changed the coloring on the map that someone showed using rules that I established. I expect some of those states that have strange results to have results more in character with recent behavior.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 25, 2009, 09:57:17 PM
Yet you include (without any similar asterisk on the map) a leaked Democratic internal poll in Indiana, which was a poll of favorability rather than job approval, with the explanation that there aren't many polls of Indiana and "beggars can't be choosers"?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: FloridaRepublican on November 26, 2009, 01:09:51 AM
I'm sorry but what do those maps with the letters mean?  Never got that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 26, 2009, 01:16:20 AM
Yet you include (without any similar asterisk on the map) a leaked Democratic internal poll in Indiana, which was a poll of favorability rather than job approval, with the explanation that there aren't many polls of Indiana and "beggars can't be choosers"?


Not much can be had from one set of data points. The SUSA collections of polls had some whoppers. I might have accepted one or two of them at face value, but when they seem not only to contradict everyone else and have internal inconsistencies...

Please don't criticize my practice of giving an "S" as in "spurious" or "suspicious" for polls in similar states that show vast differences in voting behavior between similar groups of people. The map that someone used to show SUSA statewide polls remains.... but it is ready for change when fresh polls come in. Outliers and polls with suspicious crosstabs should be knocked out at the first opportunity. If someone comes up with a Missouri 46-52 poll it goes there promptly. If someone comes up with a Missouri 26-70 it goes up promptly.

Does anyone believe that Missouri and Virginia would suddenly show disapproval ratings typical for Alabama or Kansas? Does it even make sense?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on November 26, 2009, 12:05:45 PM
It does make sense, actually.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 26, 2009, 03:43:50 PM

No. The states have their own political cultures. Missouri isn't Kansas, and Virginia isn't Alabama. If SUSA had shown Alabama or Alabama something like 28/65 but Missouri 38/60 then the polls for Missouri would have more credibility. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on November 26, 2009, 05:20:18 PM
Alabama has a large black population which artificially inflates Obama's approval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on November 26, 2009, 05:23:57 PM

No. The states have their own political cultures. Missouri isn't Kansas, and Virginia isn't Alabama. If SUSA had shown Alabama or Alabama something like 28/65 but Missouri 38/60 then the polls for Missouri would have more credibility. 

Incorrect. The black population creates a floor for Obama in the state, and his numbers can't go down very far from 2008 levels really. Missouri on the other hand has a lot of potential to go down.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 26, 2009, 06:03:37 PM
The black population in Alabama is 26.7%.  That is not such a high 'floor'.  Missouri has a population about 12% black; Virginia is about 20% black. That is not the entire explanation. Take a look at the black population of Kansas: it is roughly 6.5%, so if the black populatio nnforms a floor for support in Kansas, the state should register somewhere near 25% approval for Obama if Missouri shows 32% approval.  This comes from the same pollster  and I presume the same methodology.

I say this: I just don't trust the validity of those polls.  They look like outliers inconsistent with 5roughly 50-50 support for Obama nationwide; these are consistent with something more like 43-50 nationwide.

Here's something to consider: it is possible that Obama has a problem very different from a challenge from the Right: a challenge from the Left, among people who think that he is not going far enough and fast enough in changing America. The GOP has no obvious means of exploiting such a trend if such is so.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on November 26, 2009, 08:58:23 PM
They don't all have to be black, in order to be a part of the floor.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 26, 2009, 10:02:16 PM
Just watch carefully for changes that either affirm or refute the SUSA polls. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on November 27, 2009, 08:30:44 AM
I'm not SUSA's biggest fan, either. Then again, you are talking to the guy that is suspicious of Gallup as well.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on November 29, 2009, 10:59:36 AM
Interestingly, this thread already has the fourth highest number of posts of all time on Atlas.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=stats

Anyway, carry on....


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on November 29, 2009, 01:22:58 PM
Gallup:

Approve - 51%
Disapprove - 41%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on November 29, 2009, 02:37:56 PM
daily kos / R 2000

Fav/unfav

53-40


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: k-onmmunist on November 29, 2009, 04:22:33 PM
Interestingly, this thread already has the fourth highest number of posts of all time on Atlas.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=stats

Anyway, carry on....

I love how BRTD has started TWICE as many topics as the person in second place.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on December 01, 2009, 05:36:05 PM
Obama's Gallup approval rating average for November:

51% Approve
42% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 56/30 (November 1977)

Reagan: 52/39 (November 1981)

Bush I: 70/17 (November 1989)

Clinton: 49/44 (November 1993)

Bush II: 87/9 (November 2001)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 02, 2009, 01:04:17 AM
Utah (Dan Jones):

38% Approve
60% Disapprove

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705348448/Most-Utahns-unhappy-with-Obama.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on December 02, 2009, 05:44:16 AM
Utah (Dan Jones):

38% Approve
60% Disapprove

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705348448/Most-Utahns-unhappy-with-Obama.html

Well he can't be doing that bad then, it's better than the '08 results. :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 02, 2009, 10:44:25 AM
Utah checks in with the first December poll. That's what the "L" stands for:

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The "S" continues to stand for "spurious" or "suspect". The Utah poll suggests that Obama is about where he was on Election Night, 2008... he can't be doing that badly in Missouri, Virginia, or even Kentucky. Kansas or Alabama? Maybe.

If Huckabee isn't running, the only conceivable way in which Obama could win Utah -- that Huckabee makes a big gaff about Mormonism -- is no longer possible.

It's unlikely that many polls were taken last week (Thanksgiving), so it may be a while before those "S" polls vanish. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: GLPman on December 02, 2009, 11:45:36 AM
Utah checks in with the first December poll. That's what the "L" stands for:

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The "S" continues to stand for "spurious" or "suspect". The Utah poll suggests that Obama is about where he was on Election Night, 2008... he can't be doing that badly in Missouri, Virginia, or even Kentucky. Kansas or Alabama? Maybe.

If Huckabee isn't running, the only conceivable way in which Obama could win Utah -- that Huckabee makes a big gaff about Mormonism -- is no longer possible.

It's unlikely that many polls were taken last week (Thanksgiving), so it may be a while before those "S" polls vanish. 

If you're going to add "S" to poll results that are suspect, you should probably go ahead and put an S right in the middle of North Carolina.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 03, 2009, 08:08:14 AM
Arkansas(Rasmussen)

Approve 34%
Disapprove 66%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arkansas/toplines/toplines_2010_arkansas_senate_race_december_1_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on December 03, 2009, 05:11:21 PM
Obama at 53-41 in Delaware, per PPP

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_DE_1203.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 03, 2009, 06:19:22 PM
Arkansas and Delaware check in with polls that I don't think spurious. Here's a new one for Obama-bashers: the 66% disapproval for Obama rounds up to "70" according to my rules:

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The "S" continues to stand for "spurious" or "suspect". The Utah poll suggests that Obama is about where he was on Election Night, 2008... he can't be doing that badly in Missouri, Virginia, or even Kentucky. Kansas or Alabama? Maybe.

"L" stands for the 12th month of the year as well as the 12th letter of the alphabet. January 2009 will be "A".




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on December 04, 2009, 01:46:28 AM
When are we getting polls for WY, ND, SD, MS and SC?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 04, 2009, 09:52:05 AM
South Carolina(Rasmussen)

Approve 45%
Disapprove 54%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/south_carolina/49_in_south_carolina_oppose_impeachment_of_sanford


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on December 04, 2009, 10:26:45 AM
South Carolina(Rasmussen)

Approve 45%
Disapprove 54%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/south_carolina/49_in_south_carolina_oppose_impeachment_of_sanford

That seems kind of high.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 04, 2009, 10:40:44 AM
South Carolina(Rasmussen)

Approve 45%
Disapprove 54%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/south_carolina/49_in_south_carolina_oppose_impeachment_of_sanford

That seems kind of high.

It's about how South Carolina voted in 2008. It's high in contrast to some recent (and suspect) SUSA polls in Kentucky, Missouri, and Virginia; it also gives me even stronger cause to believe that the SUSA polls in several states are suspect. Rasmussen tends to lean R, but it is respectable.

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F - June  G - July  H - August  I - September  J - October  K - November   L - December  

* small state, date not known but reasonable  Z - no recent reliable poll
S - most recent poll suspicious

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Sanford should be impeached, not so much for adultery (a commonplace activity) but for blatant dereliction of duty and  deceit.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 04, 2009, 12:48:13 PM
South Carolina(Rasmussen)

Approve 45%
Disapprove 54%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/south_carolina/49_in_south_carolina_oppose_impeachment_of_sanford

That seems kind of high.

The black population creates some type of floor there that wouldn't be there in other states. White Democrats are willing to disapprove of Obama, but not Black Democrats.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 04, 2009, 02:27:59 PM
South Carolina(Rasmussen)

Approve 45%
Disapprove 54%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/south_carolina/49_in_south_carolina_oppose_impeachment_of_sanford

That seems kind of high.

The black population creates some type of floor there that wouldn't be there in other states. White Democrats are willing to disapprove of Obama, but not Black Democrats.

Such applies to Alabama and Mississippi, but not quite so blatantly to South Carolina -- let alone Missouri or Virginia, which also have large African-American populations. 

In 2005 the African-American population of South Carolina was about 30% (29.5%). Figure that about 15% of the population is white people who approve of Obama's performance as President.

South Carolina was not as polarized in its voting as was Alabama, where disapproval of Obama is around 60% in the latest SUSA poll (I believe that one, but few of the others).

Approval and disapproval for the President can be extremely volatile. We are likely to see some more polls that corroborate or contradict this one.  Let's remember -- poor whites and poor blacks have much the same economic problems, and if any group of people has potential as pick-ups for Obama in 2012, it is poor whites. He can't do much good for poor blacks if he doesn't also do good for poor whites, too. If the "scariness" factor goes away and Obama achieves his promises, then the 2012 election should be an Obama landslide.

States that should have voting behavior most similar to South Carolina would be Georgia and Tennessee.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl on December 04, 2009, 02:30:45 PM
Approval and disapproval for the President can be extremely volatile. We are likely to see some more polls that corroborate or contradict this one.  Let's remember -- poor whites and poor blacks have much the same economic problems, and if any group of people has potential as pick-ups for Obama in 2012, it is poor whites. He can't do much good for poor blacks if he doesn't also do good for poor whites, too. If the "scariness" factor goes away and Obama achieves his promises, then the 2012 election should be an Obama landslide.
So how is making things worse for both poor blacks and poor whites going to affect Obama's re-election performance?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 04, 2009, 02:44:41 PM
Pbrower, Obama needs to worry more about groups that he is losing, rather than picking up new groups.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on December 04, 2009, 02:57:10 PM
All the polls are wrong. Obama has a 90% + approval rating in every state. He will win in a landslide.

Such applies to Alabama and Mississippi, but not quite so blatantly to South Carolina -- let alone Missouri or Virginia, which also have large African-American populations.

In 2005 the African-American population of South Carolina was about 30% (29.5%). Figure that about 15% of the population is white people who approve of Obama's performance as President.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on December 04, 2009, 03:00:18 PM
CNN/opinion research (crap poll)

approve: 48 % (-7 compared to mid november poll)
disapprove: 50 % (+8)

No information on the party id.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 04, 2009, 05:23:53 PM
Approval and disapproval for the President can be extremely volatile. We are likely to see some more polls that corroborate or contradict this one.  Let's remember -- poor whites and poor blacks have much the same economic problems, and if any group of people has potential as pick-ups for Obama in 2012, it is poor whites. He can't do much good for poor blacks if he doesn't also do good for poor whites, too. If the "scariness" factor goes away and Obama achieves his promises, then the 2012 election should be an Obama landslide.

So how is making things worse for both poor blacks and poor whites going to affect Obama's re-election performance?

How is he making things worse? He promised to start undoing the damage of the previous Administration and he is making good on his promises. Unemployment is high, but such reflects damage done before he became President.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on December 04, 2009, 05:25:45 PM
CNN/opinion research (crap poll)

approve: 48 % (-7 compared to mid november poll)
disapprove: 50 % (+8)

No information on the party id.

:| Well, he definately is in quite a bad state then.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on December 04, 2009, 07:44:37 PM
Approval and disapproval for the President can be extremely volatile. We are likely to see some more polls that corroborate or contradict this one.  Let's remember -- poor whites and poor blacks have much the same economic problems, and if any group of people has potential as pick-ups for Obama in 2012, it is poor whites. He can't do much good for poor blacks if he doesn't also do good for poor whites, too. If the "scariness" factor goes away and Obama achieves his promises, then the 2012 election should be an Obama landslide.

So how is making things worse for both poor blacks and poor whites going to affect Obama's re-election performance?

How is he making things worse? He promised to start undoing the damage of the previous Administration and he is making good on his promises. Unemployment is high, but such reflects damage done before he became President.   

Trying taking the blinders off, first.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on December 04, 2009, 08:21:32 PM
Approval and disapproval for the President can be extremely volatile. We are likely to see some more polls that corroborate or contradict this one.  Let's remember -- poor whites and poor blacks have much the same economic problems, and if any group of people has potential as pick-ups for Obama in 2012, it is poor whites. He can't do much good for poor blacks if he doesn't also do good for poor whites, too. If the "scariness" factor goes away and Obama achieves his promises, then the 2012 election should be an Obama landslide.

So how is making things worse for both poor blacks and poor whites going to affect Obama's re-election performance?

How is he making things worse? He promised to start undoing the damage of the previous Administration and he is making good on his promises. Unemployment is high, but such reflects damage done before he became President.   

Trying taking the blinders off, first.

I can't wait to see Pbrower's reaction if a republican wins in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl on December 04, 2009, 08:24:06 PM
Approval and disapproval for the President can be extremely volatile. We are likely to see some more polls that corroborate or contradict this one.  Let's remember -- poor whites and poor blacks have much the same economic problems, and if any group of people has potential as pick-ups for Obama in 2012, it is poor whites. He can't do much good for poor blacks if he doesn't also do good for poor whites, too. If the "scariness" factor goes away and Obama achieves his promises, then the 2012 election should be an Obama landslide.

So how is making things worse for both poor blacks and poor whites going to affect Obama's re-election performance?

How is he making things worse? He promised to start undoing the damage of the previous Administration and he is making good on his promises. Unemployment is high, but such reflects damage done before he became President.   
Oh yes, "undoing the damage of the previous Administration" by expanding the policies of the previous administration.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alexander Hamilton on December 04, 2009, 08:25:33 PM
Approval and disapproval for the President can be extremely volatile. We are likely to see some more polls that corroborate or contradict this one.  Let's remember -- poor whites and poor blacks have much the same economic problems, and if any group of people has potential as pick-ups for Obama in 2012, it is poor whites. He can't do much good for poor blacks if he doesn't also do good for poor whites, too. If the "scariness" factor goes away and Obama achieves his promises, then the 2012 election should be an Obama landslide.

So how is making things worse for both poor blacks and poor whites going to affect Obama's re-election performance?

How is he making things worse? He promised to start undoing the damage of the previous Administration and he is making good on his promises. Unemployment is high, but such reflects damage done before he became President.   
Oh yes, "undoing the damage of the previous Administration" by expanding the policies of the previous administration.
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl on December 04, 2009, 08:27:11 PM
Approval and disapproval for the President can be extremely volatile. We are likely to see some more polls that corroborate or contradict this one.  Let's remember -- poor whites and poor blacks have much the same economic problems, and if any group of people has potential as pick-ups for Obama in 2012, it is poor whites. He can't do much good for poor blacks if he doesn't also do good for poor whites, too. If the "scariness" factor goes away and Obama achieves his promises, then the 2012 election should be an Obama landslide.

So how is making things worse for both poor blacks and poor whites going to affect Obama's re-election performance?

How is he making things worse? He promised to start undoing the damage of the previous Administration and he is making good on his promises. Unemployment is high, but such reflects damage done before he became President.   
Oh yes, "undoing the damage of the previous Administration" by expanding the policies of the previous administration.
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on December 04, 2009, 08:56:47 PM
^lol


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 04, 2009, 10:14:18 PM
Approval and disapproval for the President can be extremely volatile. We are likely to see some more polls that corroborate or contradict this one.  Let's remember -- poor whites and poor blacks have much the same economic problems, and if any group of people has potential as pick-ups for Obama in 2012, it is poor whites. He can't do much good for poor blacks if he doesn't also do good for poor whites, too. If the "scariness" factor goes away and Obama achieves his promises, then the 2012 election should be an Obama landslide.

So how is making things worse for both poor blacks and poor whites going to affect Obama's re-election performance?

How is he making things worse? He promised to start undoing the damage of the previous Administration and he is making good on his promises. Unemployment is high, but such reflects damage done before he became President.   
Oh yes, "undoing the damage of the previous Administration" by expanding the policies of the previous administration.

Aside from "let the profiteers profit more", what was the Bush policy on health care?

The bailouts began with Dubya as President. TARP funds are being paid back.

As for the general recovery: the first post-Crash investments are in securities sold at distress prices. Only after those securities recover some semblance of value does Big Business start investing in plant and equipment and start hiring anew. 

Any recovery will have a firm basis in capital formation -- not in a speculative bubble.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl on December 04, 2009, 10:21:01 PM
Aside from "let the profiteers profit more", what was the Bush policy on health care?
Expanding the government's role in it, of course, such as his prescription drug entitlement program.

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The bailouts began with Dubya as President. TARP funds are being paid back.
They began with Obama as shill-in-chief.

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As for the general recovery: the first post-Crash investments are in securities sold at distress prices. Only after those securities recover some semblance of value does Big Business start investing in plant and equipment and start hiring anew.
So the boom-bust cycle starts anew. Marvelous.

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Any recovery will have a firm basis in capital formation -- not in a speculative bubble.
LMAO. Obama's whole economic programme is just about trying to keep the bubble inflated until the next election. Not one damn thing has been changed about our economic structure.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 05, 2009, 12:00:16 AM
Pbrower, Obama needs to worry more about groups that he is losing, rather than picking up new groups.

One possible interpretation is that he must pick up new voters to make up for those that he loses.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on December 05, 2009, 01:38:49 PM
Obama's below 50 in the RCP average with only a +4 advantage, and he is only +1 on Pollster.com's average.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lahbas on December 05, 2009, 05:12:38 PM
Hell, I expected CNN to be higher, and Gallup to be lower. And this is after the annoucement that unemployment had dropped. It could have to do with the decision on Afghanistan however. Then again it could be a fluke.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 06, 2009, 06:29:39 PM
Gallup 49/44


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on December 07, 2009, 01:05:41 PM
Gallup:

Approve - 47%
Disapprove - 46%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 07, 2009, 01:39:54 PM
Rasmussen:

49% Approve
50% Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on December 07, 2009, 02:33:40 PM
Ignore the noise folks (whether positive or negative) - simply keep your eye on the trendline I've pointed out on both Gallup and Rasmussen.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 08, 2009, 11:34:45 AM
South Carolina(PPP)

Approve 46%
Disapprove 49%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_SC_1208.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on December 08, 2009, 11:37:02 AM
That's actually pretty high for South Carolina, assuming Obama is at 46-49% nationally. I'm not sure if it's a junk poll or not.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 08, 2009, 11:39:18 AM
That's actually pretty high for South Carolina, assuming Obama is at 46-49% nationally. I'm not sure if it's a junk poll or not.

Rasmussen had it at 45% in South Carolina. The high black population surely helps his numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on December 08, 2009, 11:50:05 AM
The SC polls both look pretty odd given the national numbers but they are both from decent pollsters so who knows...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 08, 2009, 02:21:07 PM
The two South Carolina polls suggest that the polls that recently showed him doing abysmally in Kentucky, Missouri and Virginia are even more suspect. Two polls don't imply an outlier.

As for South Carolina having a large black population -- so do Missouri and Virginia. (Kentucky doesn't).

Using Wikipedia's projection of electoral votes in 2012 and 2008 results, here's how the electoral votes look based on Obama winning certain states:

18. Pennsylvania            222
19. Minnesota                 242
20. New Hampshire        253
21. Iowa                         260
22. Colorado                   267   
23. Virginia                      280
24. Ohio                          299
25. Florida                       318
26. Indiana                     346
27. North Carolina           357
      NE-02                        358
28. Missouri                     368             
29. Montana                    371
30. Georgia                      387
31. North Dakota             390
32. Arizona                      402
33. South Dakota            405
34. South Carolina          414
      NE-01                        415
35. Texas                        453
36. West Virginia             458

South Carolina is the 34th state that Obama would win, which is not to say that he would win it, but if South Carolina is close in 2012, then the GOP nominee is in deep trouble.  To give some idea of how difficult South Carolina would be as a win for Obama in 2012 -- Texas is the next whole state for him to win.

I don't predict that such will be the order of victories or losses. But you get the idea with South Carolina if it is close; Obama wins Georgia and Arizona if he is close to winning South Carolina.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on December 08, 2009, 02:50:17 PM
Just because Obama is running higher the avg approval ratings in SC doesn't mean crap. SC has a high black population, so his approval ratings would be high.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 08, 2009, 02:51:15 PM
South Carolina will NOT be close in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 08, 2009, 03:16:44 PM
South Carolina will NOT be close in 2012.

It's too early to say that South Carolina would be close or distant from being an Obama win. It wasn't close in 2008 unless one says that a margin less than 10% is "close".

I say, of course, that for the Republican nominee to win election, he must win South Carolina by a decisive margin.  

Quote from: Devilman88

Just because Obama is running higher the avg approval ratings in SC doesn't mean crap. SC has a high black population, so his approval ratings would be high.

No, it says much. South Carolina is much more conservative than the United States as a whole. It has an arch-conservative Governor (until he is impeached for reasons unrelated to his political decisions) and two right-wing Republican Senators. It has a predominantly-Republican delegation to the House of Representatives. So are conservatives in South Carolina beginning to believe that Obama "isn't that bad"? Why South Carolina and not somewhere else? If such is the perception in 2012, then Obama wins in a landslide in 2012.

That says something about last month's SUSA polls of several states, then, doesn't it? That's two different polls for South Carolina. Missouri and Virginia both have rather large black populations, too.

Oh -- in case you wonder why I haven't simply shown South Carolina with a pale yellow color, it's because the current poll averages with a recent one. The disapproval in South Carolina averages 51.5% between them.

Addendum: Alabama has the second-highest percentage of black people in its population among the fifty states, and Obama could lose the state by a margin of 70-30 in 2012... if people split on racial lines as they practically did in 2008 in Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi.





 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on December 08, 2009, 03:41:04 PM
Just because Obama is running higher the avg approval ratings in SC doesn't mean crap. SC has a high black population, so his approval ratings would be high.

I really don't get what this is supposed to mean. Pollsters generally know how to properly account for these things, certainly Rasmussen and PPP would.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 08, 2009, 03:53:01 PM
Just because Obama is running higher the avg approval ratings in SC doesn't mean crap. SC has a high black population, so his approval ratings would be high.

I really don't get what this is supposed to mean. Pollsters generally know how to properly account for these things, certainly Rasmussen and PPP would.

I think his point(or at least mine) is that white Democrats are willing to disapprove of Obama while Black Democrats are not willing to do that. This makes his numbers here higher than in other southern states. Just a theory.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on December 09, 2009, 01:37:01 AM
Just because Obama is running higher the avg approval ratings in SC doesn't mean crap. SC has a high black population, so his approval ratings would be high.

I really don't get what this is supposed to mean. Pollsters generally know how to properly account for these things, certainly Rasmussen and PPP would.

I think his point(or at least mine) is that white Democrats are willing to disapprove of Obama while Black Democrats are not willing to do that. This makes his numbers here higher than in other southern states. Just a theory.

Yea, that is what I was trying to say. I have talk to alot of black folks and most of them just approve of Obama because he is black.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on December 09, 2009, 01:50:53 AM
Just because Obama is running higher the avg approval ratings in SC doesn't mean crap. SC has a high black population, so his approval ratings would be high.

I really don't get what this is supposed to mean. Pollsters generally know how to properly account for these things, certainly Rasmussen and PPP would.

I think his point(or at least mine) is that white Democrats are willing to disapprove of Obama while Black Democrats are not willing to do that. This makes his numbers here higher than in other southern states. Just a theory.

Even so, his floor in South Carolina based on that black support is lower than 46%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: East Coast Republican on December 09, 2009, 04:16:32 AM
Who cares?

President's approval is below 50% and South Carolina is still a red state.  Get my attention when there is real news.

Oh and you're annoying Pbrower.  Stop copying and pasting threads.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 09, 2009, 09:31:58 AM
Virginia(Rasmussen)

Approve 50%
Disapprove 50%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/virginia/54_in_virginia_oppose_health_care_plan


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Magic 8-Ball on December 09, 2009, 10:46:01 AM
It's about time somebody cut a map based on the random states provided in this thread so far

Look at what you did. >:(


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on December 09, 2009, 10:48:00 AM
Virginia(Rasmussen)

Approve 50%
Disapprove 50%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/virginia/54_in_virginia_oppose_health_care_plan

Another good state poll, considering the national Rass number. Does anyone have any regional breakdowns for the last few of Rasmussen's national poll?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 09, 2009, 01:18:36 PM
Ohio(Rasmussen)

Approve 46%
Disapprove 53%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/ohio/toplines/toplines_2010_ohio_governor_race_december_7_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 09, 2009, 01:35:42 PM
Virginia(Rasmussen)

Approve 50%
Disapprove 50%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/virginia/54_in_virginia_oppose_health_care_plan

One of the SUSA polls with strange numbers crashes and burns:

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The pastel color for Virginia indicates that Obama is 50/50, a compromise for a tie at something under 50 (white) and approval of 50%+ (medium green). It's a Rasmussen poll, so if you are a conservative, then don't carp about it; Rasmussen's methodology tends to look better for Republicans than do other polls. I predict that we will see some interesting polls.

Such is consistent with today's Ohio poll, as Virginia was more D than was Ohio in 2008 by roughly 3%.

Ohio(Rasmussen)

Approve 46%
Disapprove 53%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/ohio/toplines/toplines_2010_ohio_governor_race_december_7_2009


I'm now changing the "F" to a "Z" in Idaho. By no means can Idaho be a "bare loss" for Obama, and I figure that nobody is going to complain if I figure that Idaho is about as likely to disapprove of Obama as Utah shows. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 10, 2009, 12:56:01 AM
Connecticut (Rasmussen):

57% Approve
43% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Connecticut was conducted by Rasmussen Reports December 7, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/connecticut/toplines/toplines_connecticut_senate_race_december_7_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 10, 2009, 01:01:31 AM
North Carolina (Civitas):

48% Favorable
38% Unfavorable

This poll of 600 likely general election voters in North Carolina was conducted Dec 1-3, 2009 by Tel Opinion Research of Arlington, Virginia. All respondents were part of a fully representative sample of registered voters in North Carolina. For purposes of this study, voters we interviewed had to have voted in either the 2004, 2006 or 2008 general elections or were newly registered voters since 2008.

The confidence interval associated with a sample of this size is such that: 95 percent of the time, results from 600 interviews (registered voters) will be within +-4% of the “True Values.” True Values refer to the results obtained if it were possible to interview every person in North Carolina who had voted in either the 2004, 2006 or 2008 general elections or were newly registered voters since 2008.

http://www.jwpcivitasinstitute.org/media/press-releases/civitas-poll-obama-favorability-remains-under-50


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 10, 2009, 01:28:25 AM
"Simple" updates, Connecticut and North Carolina:


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Connecticut (Rasmussen):

57% Approve
43% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Connecticut was conducted by Rasmussen Reports December 7, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/connecticut/toplines/toplines_connecticut_senate_race_december_7_2009
North Carolina (Civitas):

48% Favorable
38% Unfavorable

This poll of 600 likely general election voters in North Carolina was conducted Dec 1-3, 2009 by Tel Opinion Research of Arlington, Virginia. All respondents were part of a fully representative sample of registered voters in North Carolina. For purposes of this study, voters we interviewed had to have voted in either the 2004, 2006 or 2008 general elections or were newly registered voters since 2008.

The confidence interval associated with a sample of this size is such that: 95 percent of the time, results from 600 interviews (registered voters) will be within +-4% of the “True Values.” True Values refer to the results obtained if it were possible to interview every person in North Carolina who had voted in either the 2004, 2006 or 2008 general elections or were newly registered voters since 2008.

http://www.jwpcivitasinstitute.org/media/press-releases/civitas-poll-obama-favorability-remains-under-50

No dip in either state. What SUSA showed last month in its statewide and some county polls looks to have either been a blip if not spurious, and otherwise...

Obama is in deep trouble if Connecticut is close, but if North Carolina is close, then the GOP nominee had better make plans for January 2013 that don't include being the focus of attention in Washington, DC on January 20, 2013. 

The huge gap between favorability and unfavorability in North Carolina suggests much confusion among about 12% of the electorate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on December 10, 2009, 01:41:38 AM
Civitas, isn't a very good polling company.. Just look at there 2008 polls... Just wait until the new PPP NC numbers come out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on December 10, 2009, 05:19:10 AM
It's about time somebody cut a map based on the random states provided in this thread so far

Look at what you did. >:(

Yes, damn you Joe Republic for creating this monster.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on December 10, 2009, 01:35:43 PM
Ohio (Rasmussen)

approve: 46 %
dis: 50 %

It's interesting to observe that Rasmussen is no more the firm with the lowest obama popularity:

for yesterday:

Ras: 48 %
Q: 46 %
Marist: 46 %
CNN: 48 %


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 10, 2009, 02:21:19 PM
Civitas, isn't a very good polling company.. Just look at there 2008 polls... Just wait until the new PPP NC numbers come out.

Nevermind the fact that favorables and approval aren't the same thing. But apparently hacks don't care about things like that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 10, 2009, 04:14:31 PM
Civitas, isn't a very good polling company.. Just look at there 2008 polls... Just wait until the new PPP NC numbers come out.

Nevermind the fact that favorables and approval aren't the same thing. But apparently hacks don't care about things like that.

Civitas looks far more reliable than does SurveyUSA.

In case you think that I am a hack:

1. I have no idea of which is more reliable: favorability or approval. I know that there is a difference, and when I see a poll that has both favorability and approval I average them.

2. Polls are estimates; elections are the definitive reality.

3. Precision is impossible in an estimate. 

4. I have let some of the polls that I have thought suspect stand -- like the SUSA polls of last month. 

5. I recognize that we have 35 months until Election 2012, by which time much will change, including the prospects of victory and loss of the President.

6. I offer analysis -- and I use numbers.

7. This map can show where Obama is doing well and where he isn't doing so well.  This map is intended to compare current reality to that of November 4, 2008.
 
8. President Obama will win or lose in 2012 almost entirely on his record. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 10, 2009, 04:19:23 PM
Civitas, isn't a very good polling company.. Just look at there 2008 polls... Just wait until the new PPP NC numbers come out.

Nevermind the fact that favorables and approval aren't the same thing. But apparently hacks don't care about things like that.

Civitas looks far more reliable than does SurveyUSA.

In case you think that I am a hack:

1. I have no idea of which is more reliable: favorability or approval. I know that there is a difference, and when I see a poll that has both favorability and approval I average them.

2. Polls are estimates; elections are the definitive reality.

3. Precision is impossible in an estimate. 

4. I have let some of the polls that I have thought suspect stand -- like the SUSA polls of last month. 

5. I recognize that we have 35 months until Election 2012, by which time much will change, including the prospects of victory and loss of the President.

6. I offer analysis -- and I use numbers.

7. This map can show where Obama is doing well and where he isn't doing so well.  This map is intended to compare current reality to that of November 4, 2008.
 
8. President Obama will win or lose in 2012 almost entirely on his record. 

Civitas better than SurveyUSA? Do you know which pollster NAILED the 2009 results?

And this thread is called "The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread". I think you have an answer.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 10, 2009, 04:37:23 PM

Civitas better than SurveyUSA? Do you know which pollster NAILED the 2009 results?

And this thread is called "The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread". I think you have an answer.

2009 has little bearing on 2012. Odd-year elections are very different from even-year elections.

Approval and favorability differ by little -- 1-2%, which is less than the usual differences between pollsters and certain criteria of selecting "voters" -- adults, registered voters, or "likely voters". A 1-2% difference is within the usual margin of error. The difference between approval and favorability is slight enough for me.

Do you concur that last month's SUSA poll for Virginia has been shown far out of line in contrast to other polls in Virginia?     


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 10, 2009, 04:43:19 PM

Civitas better than SurveyUSA? Do you know which pollster NAILED the 2009 results?

And this thread is called "The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread". I think you have an answer.

Approval and favorability differ by little -- 1-2%, which is less than the usual differences between pollsters and certain criteria of selecting "voters" -- adults, registered voters, or "likely voters". A 1-2% difference is within the usual margin of error. The difference between approval and favorability is slight enough for me.     

Proof?

Also, SUSA was the most accurate in 2008 as well.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 10, 2009, 05:24:12 PM
Approval and favorability differ by little -- 1-2%, which is less than the usual differences between pollsters and certain criteria of selecting "voters" -- adults, registered voters, or "likely voters". A 1-2% difference is within the usual margin of error. The difference between approval and favorability is slight enough for me.

Pollster.com trendline on Obama favorability = 53.7%:

http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/fav-obama.php

Pollster.com trendline on Obama job approval rating = 48.3%:

http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama.php

Granted, it's a slightly different mix of polls, with more recent job approval polls included, which could aggravate the gap, but if you look at individual poll-by-poll comparisons, you find that, within the same poll, Obama's current favorability does indeed run something like 4-5% above his job approval rating.  Heck, for the most recent Marist poll, the gap is as large as 9 points.

Personal favorability ratings and opinion of how Obama is doing as president are totally different things.  It's ridiculous to average them together or put them up on the same map side by side.  Especially when both numbers are so close to 50%, so that the choice of which one to use has a significant impact on which direction each state swings.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 10, 2009, 09:50:43 PM

Civitas better than SurveyUSA? Do you know which pollster NAILED the 2009 results?

And this thread is called "The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread". I think you have an answer.

Approval and favorability differ by little -- 1-2%, which is less than the usual differences between pollsters and certain criteria of selecting "voters" -- adults, registered voters, or "likely voters". A 1-2% difference is within the usual margin of error. The difference between approval and favorability is slight enough for me.     

Proof?

Also, SUSA was the most accurate in 2008 as well.

I saw some for Wisconsin a couple months ago -- same pollster -- approval and favorability -- and they differed by 2%.

The November batch of SurveyUSA polls was... strange. Sometimes one gets a bad batch. Note that I have removed only one of them, and that because of a later poll. 

Its the general pattern that matters most.  Had such a map been present between 1976 and 1980 it could have shown that Jimmy Carter was sinking throughout his administration. In the next four years it would have shown that Ronald Reagan created much discontent through deflationary policies only to recover in time for a landslide.

The most partisan hacks on the Right would like to believe that Barack Obama is the "new Jimmy Carter", doomed to failure because he is "too liberal" and generally inept. So far this map does not show that. Partisan hacks on the Left would like to see Obama holding strong in the core states of his support and becoming competitive in some ogf the states that he lost by substantial margins -- the first part is true (if one disregards SUSA's reports of ties in Oregon and Washington) but the second one has yet to show since the honeymoon period and might never happen. If either happened, then it would show.   There are enough timely  polls if I record both approval and favorability polls.

The alternative is either to pick and choose (which is unacceptable as unrepresentative) or to have so few polls that one has grossly-inadequate data because it is no longer timely or otherwise spotty in coverage.

OK. Let's suppose that we get favorability polls from North Dakota and Mississippi. Do you want those to be  rejected? If I reject those we have nothing.

Whether we get approval or favorability polls is itself random. Nobody is consistently feeding us favorability polls from states likely on the political margin (let's say Ohio) and approval polls from states not likely to vote as they haven't voted for years (Rhode Island, Utah).
 



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on December 10, 2009, 09:55:06 PM
The debate about the use of Approval vs Favourability polls is a valid one.

I can see that, as pbrower has stated, Favourability needs to be used in some instances due to the underpolling of some states (for example Indiana). It also, however, tends to be higher than Approval polls.

Rather than attempting some arbitrary estimated calculation to adjust for this, perhaps the best thing to do would be to not include Favourability polls except where the last poll for a state was more than, say, a month or two months old? Where there is an Approval poll that was more recent than that, don't adjust that state's figures. If the last poll was a Favourability poll, use the more recent Favourability poll instead. Perhaps that would be overly complex, but maybe a note at the bottom of the map listing states showing Favourability rather than Approvals may simplify things?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on December 11, 2009, 12:22:02 AM
Just because Obama is running higher the avg approval ratings in SC doesn't mean crap. SC has a high black population, so his approval ratings would be high.

I really don't get what this is supposed to mean. Pollsters generally know how to properly account for these things, certainly Rasmussen and PPP would.

I think his point(or at least mine) is that white Democrats are willing to disapprove of Obama while Black Democrats are not willing to do that. This makes his numbers here higher than in other southern states. Just a theory.

Yea, that is what I was trying to say. I have talk to alot of black folks and most of them just approve of Obama because he is black.

In depth discussions with both blacks you know, I'm sure.

Do you think most white people who disapprove of Obama do so because he's black?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 11, 2009, 01:22:03 AM
Pennsylvania (Rasmussen):

50% Approve
48% Disapprove

This telephone survey of 1,200 Likely Voters in Pennsylvania was conducted by Rasmussen Reports December 8, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/pennsylvania/toplines_2010_pennsylvania_senate_election_december_8_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 11, 2009, 09:29:53 AM
OK. Let's suppose that we get favorability polls from North Dakota and Mississippi. Do you want those to be  rejected? If I reject those we have nothing.

So what?  There will inevitably be some states without any polling.  I'm not sure why that's a problem.  We can easily do the mental extrapolation to guess at where things stand in MS and ND, based on what results are showing up in other states.  That would be preferable to making a map that's a mish-mash of polling on two completely different questions.  Combining data from polling on two different questions (approval of the job Obama is doing as president vs. what you think of Obama as a person) makes the map harder to interpret, not easier.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 11, 2009, 10:02:49 AM
OK. Let's suppose that we get favorability polls from North Dakota and Mississippi. Do you want those to be  rejected? If I reject those we have nothing.

So what?  There will inevitably be some states without any polling.  I'm not sure why that's a problem.  We can easily do the mental extrapolation to guess at where things stand in MS and ND, based on what results are showing up in other states.  That would be preferable to making a map that's a mish-mash of polling on two completely different questions.  Combining data from polling on two different questions (approval of the job Obama is doing as president vs. what you think of Obama as a person) makes the map harder to interpret, not easier.


Extrapolation is completely unreliable except with very close analogues over a very short range.

I spoke of Mississippi and North Dakota because those states have not been polled. There's no reliable poll in South Dakota (the last one was in the spring) or any other state with similar voting characteristics to North Dakota. For the simple reason that such states as Vermont and Wyoming are unpolled, those states offer no mystery about themselves.

Mississippi has its own uniqueness as a state in electoral politics -- most notably that among the 50 states it has the largest percentage of African-American voters. Mississippi elections have typically been extremely polarized on race -- polarized enough that a racist like Trent Lott could win a Senate seat in the state while alienating the African-American vote by getting 80% of the white vote. White voting patterns in Mississippi are very different from those in, for example, Kentucky, where Obama got about 42% of the white vote. (Kentucky has few blacks). Mississippi has race-based machine party politics.

Should Obama get 35% of the white vote in Mississippi in 2012 he wins the state. That is about what Obama got in the white electorate in neighboring Arkansas in 2008, so such is far from impossible. I don't say that he can, but in the absence of polls from Mississippi I can say nothing except some vapid generality.  He could conceivably get 35% of the white vote if he is seen as very different from the black machine politicians that white Mississippians know too well (white machine politicians are no better) and safely distant from Mississippi. Obama is of course President of the United States and not some county commissioner.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on December 11, 2009, 12:44:42 PM
Colorado

Approve: 50%
Disapprove: 49%

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/colorado/toplines/toplines_2010_colorado_senate_december_8_2009)

Nevada]

Approve: 46%
Disapprove: 54%
Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/nevada/toplines/toplines_2010_nevada_senate_december_9_2009)



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on December 11, 2009, 03:35:05 PM
Has the Rass IL poll been added yet? :S

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/illinois/toplines/toplines_2010_illinois_senate_december_9_2009 (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/illinois/toplines/toplines_2010_illinois_senate_december_9_2009)

58%/42%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 11, 2009, 03:40:12 PM

Rasmussen updates in Colorado, Illinois,  and Nevada -- and they are approval instead of favorability:


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Harry Reid is in political trouble, and he could be pulling Obama down in Nevada.

Colorado as favorable to Obama (not by much, mind you), as is Pennsylvania? That's weird, but we have the same sources, and we will see strange phenomena.  If Nate Silver is right, then the Colorado and Pennsylvania polls translate to about 54-46 votes in both places, and Nevada is about even.

Speaking of Nevada -- how often does one see the two incumbent Senators, both of different Parties, both in danger of losing their seats?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on December 11, 2009, 05:44:51 PM

Should Obama get 35% of the white vote in Mississippi in 2012 he wins the state. That is about what Obama got in the white electorate in neighboring Arkansas in 2008, so such is far from impossible. I don't say that he can, but in the absence of polls from Mississippi I can say nothing except some vapid generality.  He could conceivably get 35% of the white vote if he is seen as very different from the black machine politicians that white Mississippians know too well (white machine politicians are no better) and safely distant from Mississippi. Obama is of course President of the United States and not some county commissioner.



Come on, how do you expect people to take you seriously? 35% of the white vote in MS?! Obama could have 90% approvals the day before the election, he still would not get near 35% of white voters in MS.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 11, 2009, 07:29:57 PM

Should Obama get 35% of the white vote in Mississippi in 2012 he wins the state. That is about what Obama got in the white electorate in neighboring Arkansas in 2008, so such is far from impossible. I don't say that he can, but in the absence of polls from Mississippi I can say nothing except some vapid generality.  He could conceivably get 35% of the white vote if he is seen as very different from the black machine politicians that white Mississippians know too well (white machine politicians are no better) and safely distant from Mississippi. Obama is of course President of the United States and not some county commissioner.



Come on, how do you expect people to take you seriously? 35% of the white vote in MS?! Obama could have 90% approvals the day before the election, he still would not get near 35% of white voters in MS.

That's a mathematical model that I can offer only in the absence of a poll. There has been no poll of Mississippi.  It's highly unlikely, of course, but not yet impossible. If some pollster gets a Mississippi poll, then such a poll can repudiate the possibility very fast. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 11, 2009, 07:38:00 PM
I think Obama is at 35% approval in Vermont. There hasn't been a poll there, so no one can dispute my possiblity.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on December 11, 2009, 08:11:35 PM
I think that Obama is a joke of a President but he is good.


Regards,

Sarah Palin.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on December 11, 2009, 08:17:36 PM
Gallup: 50/44

Economic Confidence, Getting Better/Worse: 38/55


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on December 11, 2009, 08:40:46 PM
Just because Obama is running higher the avg approval ratings in SC doesn't mean crap. SC has a high black population, so his approval ratings would be high.

I really don't get what this is supposed to mean. Pollsters generally know how to properly account for these things, certainly Rasmussen and PPP would.

I think his point(or at least mine) is that white Democrats are willing to disapprove of Obama while Black Democrats are not willing to do that. This makes his numbers here higher than in other southern states. Just a theory.

Yea, that is what I was trying to say. I have talk to alot of black folks and most of them just approve of Obama because he is black.

In depth discussions with both blacks you know, I'm sure.

Do you think most white people who disapprove of Obama do so because he's black?

You're kidding yourself if you think that any less than at least 1/4 of blacks don't approve of Obama solely because of his race.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on December 11, 2009, 09:18:13 PM
Just because Obama is running higher the avg approval ratings in SC doesn't mean crap. SC has a high black population, so his approval ratings would be high.

I really don't get what this is supposed to mean. Pollsters generally know how to properly account for these things, certainly Rasmussen and PPP would.

I think his point(or at least mine) is that white Democrats are willing to disapprove of Obama while Black Democrats are not willing to do that. This makes his numbers here higher than in other southern states. Just a theory.

Yea, that is what I was trying to say. I have talk to alot of black folks and most of them just approve of Obama because he is black.

In depth discussions with both blacks you know, I'm sure.

Do you think most white people who disapprove of Obama do so because he's black?

You're kidding yourself if you think that any less than at least 1/4 of blacks don't approve of Obama solely because of his race.

John Kerry, a white man, won about 90% of the black vote in 2004.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl on December 11, 2009, 09:21:32 PM
Just because Obama is running higher the avg approval ratings in SC doesn't mean crap. SC has a high black population, so his approval ratings would be high.

I really don't get what this is supposed to mean. Pollsters generally know how to properly account for these things, certainly Rasmussen and PPP would.

I think his point(or at least mine) is that white Democrats are willing to disapprove of Obama while Black Democrats are not willing to do that. This makes his numbers here higher than in other southern states. Just a theory.

Yea, that is what I was trying to say. I have talk to alot of black folks and most of them just approve of Obama because he is black.

In depth discussions with both blacks you know, I'm sure.

Do you think most white people who disapprove of Obama do so because he's black?

You're kidding yourself if you think that any less than at least 1/4 of blacks don't approve of Obama solely because of his race.

And what would the results have been if it had been Kerry vs Obama?
John Kerry, a white man, won about 90% of the black vote in 2004.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on December 11, 2009, 09:50:25 PM
Just because Obama is running higher the avg approval ratings in SC doesn't mean crap. SC has a high black population, so his approval ratings would be high.

I really don't get what this is supposed to mean. Pollsters generally know how to properly account for these things, certainly Rasmussen and PPP would.

I think his point(or at least mine) is that white Democrats are willing to disapprove of Obama while Black Democrats are not willing to do that. This makes his numbers here higher than in other southern states. Just a theory.

Yea, that is what I was trying to say. I have talk to alot of black folks and most of them just approve of Obama because he is black.

In depth discussions with both blacks you know, I'm sure.

Do you think most white people who disapprove of Obama do so because he's black?

You're kidding yourself if you think that any less than at least 1/4 of blacks don't approve of Obama solely because of his race.

And what would the results have been if it had been Kerry vs Obama?
John Kerry, a white man, won about 90% of the black vote in 2004.

You answered your own question with my previous post. Very unique.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl on December 11, 2009, 10:13:33 PM
Just because Obama is running higher the avg approval ratings in SC doesn't mean crap. SC has a high black population, so his approval ratings would be high.

I really don't get what this is supposed to mean. Pollsters generally know how to properly account for these things, certainly Rasmussen and PPP would.

I think his point(or at least mine) is that white Democrats are willing to disapprove of Obama while Black Democrats are not willing to do that. This makes his numbers here higher than in other southern states. Just a theory.

Yea, that is what I was trying to say. I have talk to alot of black folks and most of them just approve of Obama because he is black.

In depth discussions with both blacks you know, I'm sure.

Do you think most white people who disapprove of Obama do so because he's black?

You're kidding yourself if you think that any less than at least 1/4 of blacks don't approve of Obama solely because of his race.

And what would the results have been if it had been Kerry vs Obama?
John Kerry, a white man, won about 90% of the black vote in 2004.

You answered your own question with my previous post. Very unique.

Uh, so you are arguing that John Kerry would have taken 90% of the black vote against Obama?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on December 14, 2009, 06:17:09 PM
Posted on Pollster.com, Obama Approval in Wisconsin 60/37 (done by UW)

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/wi_obama_doyle_uwisc_10291120.php


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on December 14, 2009, 06:22:58 PM
Posted on Pollster.com, Obama Approval in Wisconsin 60/37 (done by UW)

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/wi_obama_doyle_uwisc_10291120.php

I find that hard to believe.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on December 14, 2009, 06:25:36 PM
As do I...just figured I'd post as I saw it.  Not sure if its worth updating the map with a clearly sketchy poll


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on December 14, 2009, 06:26:52 PM
As do I...just figured I'd post as I saw it.  Not sure if its worth updating the map with a clearly sketchy poll

pbrower will update it, since Obama has a 60% approval in it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on December 14, 2009, 07:30:06 PM
 Rasmussen has obama at his lowest to date 44%.

 (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)
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Overall, 44% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. That’s the lowest level yet measured for this president. Previously, his overall approval rating had fallen to 45% twice, once in early September and once in late November.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BannedAndBitten on December 14, 2009, 07:57:58 PM
The first and last black president (ha).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on December 14, 2009, 09:24:03 PM
Posted on Pollster.com, Obama Approval in Wisconsin 60/37 (done by UW)

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/wi_obama_doyle_uwisc_10291120.php

According to that poll, he has 54% approval among likely voters.

94% among Dems, 54% of independents, and 25% of Republicans approve. Probably too high, I think his approval in Wisconsin is around 50\50.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 14, 2009, 10:08:34 PM
Posted on Pollster.com, Obama Approval in Wisconsin 60/37 (done by UW)

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/wi_obama_doyle_uwisc_10291120.php

According to that poll, he has 54% approval among likely voters.

94% among Dems, 54% of independents, and 25% of Republicans approve. Probably too high, I think his approval in Wisconsin is around 50\50.

And look at the dates 10/29-11/20. A month long poll is garbage.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 14, 2009, 10:41:30 PM
Posted on Pollster.com, Obama Approval in Wisconsin 60/37 (done by UW)

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/wi_obama_doyle_uwisc_10291120.php

According to that poll, he has 54% approval among likely voters.

94% among Dems, 54% of independents, and 25% of Republicans approve. Probably too high, I think his approval in Wisconsin is around 5050.

The poll is old, but it is clearly above 50%, even with "likely voters". That marginally breaks a tie. College-based polling takes time because it isn't professional. I'll go with "likely voters".



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Because it is clearly not a December poll, it has the letter "K" for November. It must average with November polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on December 14, 2009, 10:46:53 PM
BUt the SUSA got a S... what a hack...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 14, 2009, 11:26:20 PM
BUt the SUSA got a S... what a hack...

The first state to be polled after one of those SUSA polls (Virginia) absolutely smashed the credibility of the SUSA poll. I have changed none of them before a new poll for the state was released.

The Wisconsin poll is already obsolete, and all in all it shows an average. . 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on December 14, 2009, 11:32:12 PM
BUt the SUSA got a S... what a hack...

The first state to be polled after one of those SUSA polls (Virginia) absolutely smashed the credibility of the SUSA poll. I have changed none of them before a new poll for the state was released.

The Wisconsin poll is already obsolete, and all in all it shows an average. . 

All, I hear is.. blah blah blah, I'm a hack, I'm a hack, I worship you Obama, blah, blah..

Say whatever you want, but we all know what you are..


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 15, 2009, 12:01:55 AM
Posted on Pollster.com, Obama Approval in Wisconsin 60/37 (done by UW)

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/wi_obama_doyle_uwisc_10291120.php

According to that poll, he has 54% approval among likely voters.

94% among Dems, 54% of independents, and 25% of Republicans approve. Probably too high, I think his approval in Wisconsin is around 50\50.

The poll is old, but it is clearly above 50%, even with "likely voters". That marginally breaks a tie. College-based polling takes time because it isn't professional. I'll go with "likely voters".

So now a poll of likely voters for the 2010 midterms is OK?  About 50 pages back in this thread, you were rejecting polls of "likely voters" because "likely voters" in an off-year election aren't the same as likely voters in a presidential year.

Of course, half the polls on your map are probably of likely voters for 2009 or 2010, but you rarely ever pay attention to such things.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 15, 2009, 01:20:50 AM
Posted on Pollster.com, Obama Approval in Wisconsin 60/37 (done by UW)

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/wi_obama_doyle_uwisc_10291120.php

According to that poll, he has 54% approval among likely voters.

94% among Dems, 54% of independents, and 25% of Republicans approve. Probably too high, I think his approval in Wisconsin is around 50\50.

The poll is old, but it is clearly above 50%, even with "likely voters". That marginally breaks a tie. College-based polling takes time because it isn't professional. I'll go with "likely voters".

So now a poll of likely voters for the 2010 midterms is OK?  About 50 pages back in this thread, you were rejecting polls of "likely voters" because "likely voters" in an off-year election aren't the same as likely voters in a presidential year.

Of course, half the polls on your map are probably of likely voters for 2009 or 2010, but you rarely ever pay attention to such things.


"Likely voters" in a midterm election are far closer to those of a Presidential election than are those in an odd-year election. For now, midterm elections matter far more than does the 2012 election.

The only state whose polls should remain affected by "likely voters, off year elections" is New Jersey. The other state, Virginia, has a December poll. 

For the aging Wisconsin poll, both the 60% and 54% polls of approval would have had the same effect because the Wisconsin poll is an average that goes between 50% and 55%. The exact tie was at something under 50%.

My method doesn't always create the highest possible value for Obama. Look at it this way: add 4% to approval and you get an estimate of the likely vote. 60% approval for Obama in Wisconsin? Does anyone reasonably expect Obama to win 60% or more of the vote for President in Wisconsin in 2012? Not I.  58%? That implies about a 16% spread, not far from the 2008 results.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on December 15, 2009, 08:22:06 AM
Please go away.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 15, 2009, 12:50:18 PM
South Dakota(PPP)

Approve 41%
Disapprove 52%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_SD_1215.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on December 15, 2009, 01:03:26 PM
"Likely voters" in a midterm election are far closer to those of a Presidential election than are those in an odd-year election. For now, midterm elections matter far more than does the 2012 election.

Uh, not really.  Turnout in midterm years is closer to off-years, in both percent turnout and composition of the electorate.  What makes you think otherwise?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BannedAndBitten on December 15, 2009, 02:17:31 PM
I disapprove immensely.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 15, 2009, 03:17:52 PM
NY State (Quinnipiac):

59% Approve
36% Disapprove

From December 7 - 13, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,692 New York State registered voters, with a margin of error of +/- 2.4 percentage points. The survey includes 719 Democrats with a margin of error of +/- 3.7 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1404


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: segwaystyle2012 on December 15, 2009, 03:22:27 PM
"Likely voters" in a midterm election are far closer to those of a Presidential election than are those in an odd-year election. For now, midterm elections matter far more than does the 2012 election.

Uh, not really.  Turnout in midterm years is closer to off-years, in both percent turnout and composition of the electorate.  What makes you think otherwise?

He lacks the ability to serve as an objective commentator/is a troll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on December 15, 2009, 03:41:51 PM
Civitas, isn't a very good polling company.. Just look at there 2008 polls... Just wait until the new PPP NC numbers come out.

Nevermind the fact that favorables and approval aren't the same thing. But apparently hacks don't care about things like that.

Civitas looks far more reliable than does SurveyUSA.


lol





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 15, 2009, 04:14:28 PM
South Dakota(PPP)

Approve 41%
Disapprove 52%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_SD_1215.pdf

Surprisingly good for Obama, considering that South Dakota is close to being majority-Republican:

Q12 If you are a Democrat, press 1. If you are a
Republican, press 2. If you are an independent
or identify with another party, press 3.
Democrat ........................................................  35%
Republican......................................................   48%
Independent/Other..........................................  18%

and skewed "elderly" in population:

Q14 If you are 18 to 29 years old, press 1 now. If
you are 30 to 45, press 2. If you are 46 to 65,
press 3. If older, press 4.
18 to 29........................................................... 15%
30 to 45........................................................... 21%
46 to 65........................................................... 44%
Older than 65.................................................. 20%

That Obama was able to get within 10% in South Dakota in 2008 looks all the more remarkable now.

NY State (Quinnipiac):

59% Approve
36% Disapprove

From December 7 - 13, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,692 New York State registered voters, with a margin of error of +/- 2.4 percentage points. The survey includes 719 Democrats with a margin of error of +/- 3.7 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1404

Another SUSA poll from November 2009 crashes and burns. Is that luck or does my intuition about that batch of polls not apply west of the Appalachians yet?


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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: segwaystyle2012 on December 15, 2009, 05:19:45 PM
Go away pbrower


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 15, 2009, 06:48:26 PM

Criticize my analysis and expose my bias if you wish; I'm not leaving.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on December 15, 2009, 06:48:59 PM
I criticized your analysis and you just ignored me :(


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: GLPman on December 15, 2009, 08:20:58 PM
At least he admits that he's biased.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on December 15, 2009, 09:30:56 PM
Here's an easier idea: take the Real Clear Politics average net approval of Obama (currently +3.4%), figure out the difference from 2008 (-3.9%) and then apply that to every state:

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Light blue indicates that it disapproves of Obama but the margin is so close <5% that we can't be sure. Same with light red for Obama approval. Ohio is toss-up because the margin is meaningless (less than 1%).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 15, 2009, 09:38:23 PM
"Likely voters" in a midterm election are far closer to those of a Presidential election than are those in an odd-year election. For now, midterm elections matter far more than does the 2012 election.

Uh, not really.  Turnout in midterm years is closer to off-years, in both percent turnout and composition of the electorate.  What makes you think otherwise?

It's intermediate. Odd-year elections rarely involve elections for gubernatorial or House seats, and almost never Senate seats. There might be initiatives and referenda, local elections, and the like.
 
In all states, two of three mid-term elections involve Senate seats and all House seats are up for grabs during midterm elections. Midterm elections as a rule do not involve the Presidency. These elections attract fewer voters than do the Big Ones -- the Presidential elections. Such should be obvious.

It's far easier to establish a get-out-the-vote drive during a Presidential election because of the importance of a Presidential election. With few exceptions (I can think of 1930, 1994, and 2006), midterm elections rarely draw the attention of a Presidential election.      


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on December 15, 2009, 09:41:49 PM


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on December 15, 2009, 11:12:13 PM


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 15, 2009, 11:17:12 PM
pbrower2a's previous rationale for excluding "likely voter" polls:

The New Jersey poll relates to a gubernatorial race in 2010.

Even when you erroneously thought the NJ gubernatorial race was in 2010, you wanted to exclude the poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on December 15, 2009, 11:43:15 PM


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 16, 2009, 12:11:28 AM
pbrower2a's previous rationale for excluding "likely voter" polls:

The New Jersey poll relates to a gubernatorial race in 2010.

Even when you erroneously thought the NJ gubernatorial race was in 2010, you wanted to exclude the poll.


I was mistaken then. So does it matter now? Just watch for the next New Jersey poll.

Who doesn't make errors? I don't watch gubernatorial races closely.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on December 16, 2009, 12:22:03 AM
pbrower2a's previous rationale for excluding "likely voter" polls:

The New Jersey poll relates to a gubernatorial race in 2010.

Even when you erroneously thought the NJ gubernatorial race was in 2010, you wanted to exclude the poll.


I was mistaken then. So does it matter now? Just watch for the next New Jersey poll.

Who doesn't make errors? I don't watch gubernatorial races closely.

It's not that you were mistaken, it's that you're being inconsistent. When you thought the New Jersey poll was a poll of 2010 Likely Voters, you excluded it on the basis of 2010 Likely Voters not being 2012 Voters. Now you have another poll of 2010 Likely Voters and you choose to included it because 2010 Likely Voters closely resemble 2012 Likely Voters.

The rationale behind adopting 2010 Likely Voter polls or rejecting 2010 Likely Voter polls for the purpose of this map is unimportant - so long as there is consistency. Either reject all 2010 Likely Voter polls or accept all 2010 Likely Voter polls - but don't accept or reject them based on whether or not you like the result.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 16, 2009, 01:40:02 AM
Louisiana (Southern Media & Opinion Research):

43% Excellent/Good
54% Fair/Poor

800 likely voters – conducted 12/12/09 thru 12/14/09

http://www.bayoubuzz.com/News/Louisiana/Politics/Louisiana_Poll__Mary_Landrieu_Plummets_Vitter_Melancon_Drop___9979.asp


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 16, 2009, 09:11:51 AM
Florida(Rasmussen)

Approve 44%
Disapprove 55%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/florida/toplines/toplines_2010_florida_governor_race_december_14_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on December 16, 2009, 09:13:11 AM


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 16, 2009, 10:30:38 AM
Poor showing for Obama in Florida; better than 2008 in Louisiana.


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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on December 16, 2009, 12:45:49 PM


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on December 16, 2009, 01:07:45 PM
Battleground - likely voters

approv: 50 %
dis: 45 %

Big problem with this poll: party id: D: 43 % R: 37 % I: 20 %

ABC - adult

approv: 50 %
dis: 46 %

Party id: I: 37 % D: 32 % R: 26 %

For info, the former abc poll had republicans at 21 % and medias had been strong on this weak number.  Now, I guesse that medias will correct and will speak of "come back of the gop", ...


+ the 2 polls have the same difference between dem and rep (+6) and hence, the same result (50 %)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 16, 2009, 01:48:29 PM

Poor showing for Obama in Florida; better than 2008 in Louisiana.

Louisiana has similar demographics to South Carolina, doesn't it?


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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 16, 2009, 01:51:41 PM

 I'm staying. If you so despise me, then find some other sandbox.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 16, 2009, 04:44:01 PM
Excellent/Good and Fair/Poor aren't the same as approval and disapproval and should not be included.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on December 16, 2009, 04:51:42 PM
Excellent/Good and Fair/Poor aren't the same as approval and disapproval and should not be included.

Why are you talking to him as if he has standards?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on December 16, 2009, 05:39:08 PM
Mrs. P's Kindergarden class poll of Obama's Oklahoma Approval rating:

57% Approve
31% Applesauce
12% Bananas/ Don't know


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on December 16, 2009, 05:40:42 PM
Mrs. P's Kindergarden class poll of Obama's Oklahoma Approval rating:

57% Approve
31% Applesauce
12% Bananas/ Don't know

Turnin' OK green, oh yeeeeeah.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 16, 2009, 06:04:38 PM
Excellent/Good and Fair/Poor aren't the same as approval and disapproval and should not be included.

We have multiple pollsters, multiple techniques of getting data, different questions, different times... higher standardization would get more reliability at the cost of information. Statewide polls would mean more if we took only approval polls from Rasmussen at the expense of all others.

So do you really want to reject PPP, Quinnipiac, Selzer, and (gasp!) SurveyUSA?

We are looking for patterns and we can never get precision in a poll, can we? We can see change over time, change in some regions if such appears... we need to see that. We can assess how Obama is doing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on December 16, 2009, 08:10:51 PM
Why is Virginia blue on the map?

Didn't PPP have a poll that was around 51% disapproval for Obama recently?

I believe that PPP is a relatively reputable polling agency...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 16, 2009, 09:08:53 PM
Why is Virginia blue on the map?

Didn't PPP have a poll that was around 51% disapproval for Obama recently?

I believe that PPP is a relatively reputable polling agency...

That was back in November. Another pollster, SUSA, had a disapproval rating in the high fifties. That was the last brown shade for November/

The latest poll rules if nothing less than two weeks old is available. The latest one is from a couple days ago and it was 50-50. It's aquamarine as a tie at 50%, and not blue.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on December 16, 2009, 09:16:12 PM
Why is Virginia blue on the map?

Didn't PPP have a poll that was around 51% disapproval for Obama recently?

I believe that PPP is a relatively reputable polling agency...

That was back in November. Another pollster, SUSA, had a disapproval rating in the high fifties. That was the last brown shade for November/

The latest poll rules if nothing less than two weeks old is available. The latest one is from a couple days ago and it was 50-50. It's aquamarine as a tie at 50%, and not blue.

A tie at below 50% is better for Obama than a tie at 50% because it implies fewer people disapprove of him and more people are uncertain and could swing back in support of him. A 30% Green shade should not be used for a 50% tie.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on December 16, 2009, 09:21:50 PM
Why is Virginia blue on the map?

Didn't PPP have a poll that was around 51% disapproval for Obama recently?

I believe that PPP is a relatively reputable polling agency...

That was back in November. Another pollster, SUSA, had a disapproval rating in the high fifties. That was the last brown shade for November/

The latest poll rules if nothing less than two weeks old is available. The latest one is from a couple days ago and it was 50-50. It's aquamarine as a tie at 50%, and not blue.


Thanks for the clarification!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 16, 2009, 09:51:50 PM
Why is Virginia blue on the map?

Didn't PPP have a poll that was around 51% disapproval for Obama recently?

I believe that PPP is a relatively reputable polling agency...

That was back in November. Another pollster, SUSA, had a disapproval rating in the high fifties. That was the last brown shade for November.

The latest poll rules if nothing less than two weeks old is available. The latest one is from a couple days ago and it was 50-50. It's aquamarine as a tie at 50%, and not blue.

A tie at below 50% is better for Obama than a tie at 50% because it implies fewer people disapprove of him and more people are uncertain and could swing back in support of him. A 30% Green shade should not be used for a 50% tie.

It's the lightest shade of green available, a compromise between the pale shade that I have for a positive difference that I have with an approval (or favorable) rating under 50% and a white for an exact tie under 50%.

An exact 50-50  tie is rare.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on December 16, 2009, 11:20:39 PM
A few more...

NBC/WSJ (1008 Adults, 12/11-12/14)
Approve 47%
Disapprove 46%

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/A_Politics/___Politics_Today_Stories_Teases/091215_NBC_WSJ_Poll.pdf

AP/GfK/Roper (1001 Adults, 12/10-12/14)
Approve 56%
Disapprove 42%

http://surveys.ap.org/data%5CGfK%5CAP-GfK%20Poll%20December%20Release%201%20Topline%20121509.pdf

Pew Research (1504 Adults, 12/9-12/13)
Approve 49%
Disapprove 40%

http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/572.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 17, 2009, 01:45:57 AM
California (PPIC):

Adults: 61% Approve, 33% Disapprove

Registered Voters: 57% Approve, 37% Disapprove

Likely Voters: 54% Approve, 40% Disapprove

PPIC Statewide Survey: Californians and Their Government, December 2009. Includes 2,004 adults, 1,565 registered voters, and 963 likely voters. Interviews took place December 1–8, 2009. Numbers in above table are for all adults. Margin of error ±2%.

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/other/APR_Obama1209.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on December 17, 2009, 06:12:11 AM
Party id

NBC: D: 40 % R: 34 % I: 19 %

AP: D: 37 % R: 32 % I: 7 % dont know (????): 24 %

Pew: D: 32 % R: 25 % I: 38 %

In the NBC poll: perception of the tea party: positive: 41 % negative: 23 %

All polls say the same: health care plan is unpopular.

The AP poll is very strange: only dem +5 in the party id but job approval at 56 %... Probably the outlier.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on December 17, 2009, 05:33:42 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/missouri/toplines/toplines_2010_missouri_senate_december_15_2009

New Rasmussen poll on Missouri

Obama @ 47-53, pretty good numbers for him right now IMO


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 17, 2009, 07:50:23 PM
California (PPIC):

Adults: 61% Approve, 33% Disapprove

Registered Voters: 57% Approve, 37% Disapprove

Likely Voters: 54% Approve, 40% Disapprove

PPIC Statewide Survey: Californians and Their Government, December 2009. Includes 2,004 adults, 1,565 registered voters, and 963 likely voters. Interviews took place December 1–8, 2009. Numbers in above table are for all adults. Margin of error ±2%.

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/other/APR_Obama1209.pdf
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/missouri/toplines/toplines_2010_missouri_senate_december_15_2009

New Rasmussen poll on Missouri

Obama @ 47-53, pretty good numbers for him right now IMO



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Maybe SUSA didn't do so badly in California -- if one goes with "likely voters". Otherwise it would be another dust-biter for SUSA. Missouri? I need say nothing more.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 18, 2009, 12:49:02 AM
North Carolina (PPP):

48% Approve
47% Disapprove

"For the first time since July in PPP’s polling Barack Obama’s North Carolina approval rating is back in positive territory. He has support from 77% of Democrats, 46% of independents, and 9% of Republicans. Since Obama’s numbers hit a low point of 45/51 in the state back in September he’s seen a significant increase in his support from independents (seven points) and a smaller one with Democrats (three points). His poor reviews from Republicans have remained steady."

PPP surveyed 593 North Carolina voters from December 11th to 13th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-4.0%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_1217.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on December 18, 2009, 12:54:22 AM
North Carolina (PPP):

48% Approve
47% Disapprove

"For the first time since July in PPP’s polling Barack Obama’s North Carolina approval rating is back in positive territory. He has support from 77% of Democrats, 46% of independents, and 9% of Republicans. Since Obama’s numbers hit a low point of 45/51 in the state back in September he’s seen a significant increase in his support from independents (seven points) and a smaller one with Democrats (three points). His poor reviews from Republicans have remained steady."

PPP surveyed 593 North Carolina voters from December 11th to 13th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-4.0%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_1217.pdf

Hmm...Obama seems to be doing better than expected along the south atlantic coast. More polls are needed of course.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 18, 2009, 01:09:17 AM
Obama slipping in Michigan (EPIC-MRA):

44% Excellent/Good
55% Fair/Poor

49% Favorable
45% Unfavorable

(Gov. Granholm)

29% Excellent/Good
70% Fair/Poor

41% Favorable
55% Unfavorable

The EPIC-MRA poll of 600 likely voters was conducted Dec. 6-9. It has a margin of sampling error of 4 percentage points.

http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/politics/Poll-Support-for-Obama-Granholm-slip


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 18, 2009, 01:12:17 AM
Rasmussen has also polled Michigan on Wednesday:

How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job hes been doing?

48% Approve
50% Disapprove

How would you rate the job Jennifer Granholm has been doing as Governor… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job she's been doing?

32% Approve
66% Disapprove

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/Polls-on-Granholm-2010-Governor%27s-Race


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on December 18, 2009, 01:27:02 AM
I think Obama will lose Michigan in 2012. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on December 18, 2009, 01:36:37 AM
I think Obama will lose Michigan in 2012. 

I think you're wrong.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on December 18, 2009, 01:37:38 AM

Just look at his approval ratings there.  Its not like the economy in Michigan is suddenly going to be good again in 2012. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on December 18, 2009, 06:12:38 AM

Me too.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on December 18, 2009, 09:58:19 AM
I think Obama will lose Michigan in 2012. 

If he loses Michigan, then it's a pretty easy win for the Republican whoever it is.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on December 18, 2009, 11:09:09 AM
I think Obama will lose Michigan in 2012. 

If he loses Michigan, then it's a pretty easy win for the Republican whoever it is.

We all know who it is.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on December 18, 2009, 11:12:20 AM
I think Obama will lose Michigan in 2012. 

If he loses Michigan, then it's a pretty easy win for the Republican whoever it is.

We all know who it is.

Hmm...? Mitt?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on December 18, 2009, 11:15:26 AM
I think Obama will lose Michigan in 2012. 

If he loses Michigan, then it's a pretty easy win for the Republican whoever it is.

We all know who it is.

Hmm...? Mitt?

Of course.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on December 18, 2009, 11:46:53 AM
New Quinnipiac poll from PA has Obama Job Approval at 49-45 there. 

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1327.xml?ReleaseID=1407


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on December 18, 2009, 12:28:04 PM
New Quinnipiac poll from PA has Obama Job Approval at 49-45 there. 

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1327.xml?ReleaseID=1407

it matchs with a national approval at 48 % (PA was D +1,5 % in 2008, compared to the national result of Obama)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 18, 2009, 02:33:31 PM
Three electorally-large states appear this time (MI, NC, PA)

North Carolina (PPP):

48% Approve
47% Disapprove

Obama slipping in Michigan (EPIC-MRA):

44% Excellent/Good
55% Fair/Poor

49% Favorable
45% Unfavorable


http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/politics/Poll-Support-for-Obama-Granholm-slip

Rasmussen has also polled Michigan on Wednesday:

How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job hes been doing?

48% Approve
50% Disapprove



http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/Polls-on-Granholm-2010-Governor%27s-Race



New Quinnipiac poll from PA has Obama Job Approval at 49-45 there.  

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1327.xml?ReleaseID=1407

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"Michigrim" has an economy in transition -- to a Third World economy, that is, and few people like that. For the first time in nearly a century Michigan's #1 industry could soon be agriculture, a non-growth activity. Michigan's rating is an average of approvals.  The Governor's approval ratings are putrid.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on December 18, 2009, 04:46:49 PM
Did anyone notice the crosstabs in that PPP poll on North Carolina? 
47% D, 34% R is questionable, but the poll favors the president, so let it be. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajc0918 on December 18, 2009, 04:52:06 PM
Did anyone notice the crosstabs in that PPP poll on North Carolina? 
47% D, 34% R is questionable, but the poll favors the president, so let it be. 

Wow, almost half democrats and favorability is only 1 point ahead... not good for Barack.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on December 18, 2009, 05:05:30 PM
Did anyone notice the crosstabs in that PPP poll on North Carolina?  
47% D, 34% R is questionable, but the poll favors the president, so let it be.  

Ignore him and his absurd map.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 18, 2009, 07:52:31 PM
I think Obama will lose Michigan in 2012. 

If he loses Michigan, then it's a pretty easy win for the Republican whoever it is.

If I recall, Obama was behind McCain in Michigan into about July of 2008. Should Obama lose Michigan he would have to pick up states in which he did badly in 2008.

Michigan's economy has been a wreck for almost 40 years now. It has toyed with the Right only to find non-solutions. Governors over the last forty years have thought that they could turn the state around, and they seem invariably to fail whether R or D. Michigan has long depended upon "heavy consumer goods" like automobiles and appliances that used to be the cutting edge of technology and very profitable. Now they are not so profitable. What new technology can one put into a washing machine?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President Mitt on December 18, 2009, 08:01:51 PM
Did anyone notice the crosstabs in that PPP poll on North Carolina? 
47% D, 34% R is questionable, but the poll favors the president, so let it be. 

You learn quickly that you should ignore Pbrower's posts.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on December 18, 2009, 08:31:35 PM
I think Obama will lose Michigan in 2012. 

If he loses Michigan, then it's a pretty easy win for the Republican whoever it is.

If I recall, Obama was behind McCain in Michigan into about July of 2008. Should Obama lose Michigan he would have to pick up states in which he did badly in 2008.

Michigan's economy has been a wreck for almost 40 years now. It has toyed with the Right only to find non-solutions. Governors over the last forty years have thought that they could turn the state around, and they seem invariably to fail whether R or D. Michigan has long depended upon "heavy consumer goods" like automobiles and appliances that used to be the cutting edge of technology and very profitable. Now they are not so profitable. What new technology can one put into a washing machine?

Yes, but Mccain was at around 40-43%. He never even reached Bush's 2000 result. I can't help but think that a lot of that vote was going to break for Obama regardless.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on December 18, 2009, 08:40:26 PM
Did anyone notice the crosstabs in that PPP poll on North Carolina? 
47% D, 34% R is questionable, but the poll favors the president, so let it be. 

You learn quickly that you should ignore Pbrower's posts neverending critics who constantly bitch but rarely offer maps of their own.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on December 18, 2009, 08:43:15 PM
NC has plenty of conservative Democrats, numbers seem a bit too D heavy but not as much as is being said.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on December 18, 2009, 08:45:31 PM
Michigan was considered a toss up state on election day in 2000, but Gore won by a bigger margin than expected. On election day in 2004, it was considered to be fairly safely Kerry, but he won it by a narrower margin than expected.

I know this is a bit off-topic, but since we are talking about Michigan....



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on December 18, 2009, 08:48:55 PM
CNN exit poll in 2008 for NC was 42D-31R.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 18, 2009, 08:53:19 PM
Also it's a Registered Voters poll, not a likely voters poll. Democrats have a huge registration advantage in NC, about 15 points if I'm not mistaken.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on December 18, 2009, 09:09:29 PM
NC has plenty of conservative Democrats, numbers seem a bit too D heavy but not as much as is being said.
Yeah I was about to say this. Registration rates for southern Democrats are still very high, even in places where you wouldn't expect them to be.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 18, 2009, 10:16:08 PM
Also it's a Registered Voters poll, not a likely voters poll. Democrats have a huge registration advantage in NC, about 15 points if I'm not mistaken.

It's easy to figure that North Carolina is a very right-wing state because of its long-time troglodyte Senator Jesse Helms. It has been seven years since the late Senator Helms was Senator and he has since had two successors in the Senate.

The registration edge suggests that Independents in North Carolina have voted heavily R in recent years -- even in 2008, and will do so in 2010 and 2012. Contrast the situation in South Dakota; practically every Independent would have to vote for a Democratic candidate for any Democrat to win in the state.   
 
Although that might not apply to North Carolina, conservative Democrats used to support Carter in 1980 and  Clinton in 1992 and 1996. (North Carolina has lots of relocated former residents of the Rust Belt). Of course should the typical white voters for Bill Clinton break for Obama in 2012, only political junkies will be watching to see whether Obama wins California, Hawaii, Oregon, and Washington.     


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on December 18, 2009, 11:14:04 PM
Michigan could prove to be very interesting in 2012. Honestly, if Republicans really want to win you, it might just be better for the Democrats to keep the Governor's mansion, so the Republican nominee can fully blame Democrats for Michigan's problems. It will still be successful even with a Republican as Governor, just not as much.
I'll go ahead and move Michigan from "Slight Obama" to "Toss-up".


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on December 18, 2009, 11:24:14 PM
Also it's a Registered Voters poll, not a likely voters poll. Democrats have a huge registration advantage in NC, about 15 points if I'm not mistaken.

It's easy to figure that North Carolina is a very right-wing state because of its long-time troglodyte Senator Jesse Helms. The 2008 elections belie such an outdated image. Helms has been off the scene for seven years.

The registration edge suggests that Independents in North Carolina have voted heavily R in recent years -- even in 2008, and will do so in 2010 and 2012. Contrast the situation in South Dakota; practically every Independent would have to vote for a Democratic candidate for any Democrat to win in the state.   
 
Although that might not apply to North Carolina, conservative Democrats used to support Carter in 1980 and  Clinton in 1992 and 1996. (North Carolina has lots of relocated former residents of the Rust Belt). Of course should the typical white voters for Bill Clinton break for Obama in 2012, only political junkies will be watching to see whether Obama wins California, Hawaii, Oregon, and Washington.     
Out of curiousity...
What ran through your mind a few moments ago that prompted you to quote a message you posted an hour ago, in this very thread, and repost it?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 18, 2009, 11:45:17 PM

Out of curiousity...
What ran through your mind a few moments ago that prompted you to quote a message you posted an hour ago, in this very thread, and repost it?

Accidents happen.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 19, 2009, 12:59:48 AM
SurveyUSA has their December numbers out (600 adults in each state, Dec. 11-13):

Alabama: 35% Approve, 61% Disapprove (-3, +2)
California: 55% Approve, 41% Disapprove (+2, +3)
Kansas: 36% Approve, 59% Disapprove (-2, +1)
Kentucky: 38% Approve, 58% Disapprove (nc, nc)
Missouri: 45% Approve, 52% Disapprove (+7, -6)
New York: 56% Approve, 40% Disapprove (+3, +1)
Oregon: 50% Approve, 47% Disapprove (+3, nc)
Virginia: 44% Approve, 54% Disapprove (+7, -6)
Washington: 50% Approve, 46% Disapprove (+2, -2)

Plus a Zogby poll from Florida:

55% Approve
42% Disapprove

Zogby International was commissioned by SafieReview.com and the Associated Industries of Florida (AIF) to conduct a telephone survey of likely voters in Florida. This telephone survey of 801 likely voters was conducted December 7-11, 2009. Samples were randomly drawn from telephone CDs of national listed sample. Zogby International surveys employ sampling strategies in which selection probabilities are proportional to population size within area codes and exchanges. Up to six calls are made to reach a sampled phone number. Cooperation rates are calculated using one of AAPOR's approved methodologies and are comparable to other professional public-opinion surveys conducted using similar sampling strategies. Weighting by region, party, age, race and gender is used to adjust for non-response. The margin of error is +/- 4.5 percentage points. Margins of error are higher in sub-groups.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1785


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 19, 2009, 01:10:38 AM
Rhode Island (Brown University):

54% Excellent/Good
44% Fair/Poor

The survey, conducted Dec. 4-6, 2009, is based on a sample of 442 registered voters in Rhode Island.

http://news.brown.edu/pressreleases/2009/12/survey


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rob on December 19, 2009, 01:27:43 AM

Just look at his approval ratings there.  Its not like the economy in Michigan is suddenly going to be good again in 2012.  

Granholm's approval rating on October 16, 2006, was 39 percent. She won 56 percent of the vote two weeks later.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 19, 2009, 05:18:06 AM
SurveyUSA has their December numbers out (600 adults in each state, Dec. 11-13):

Alabama: 35% Approve, 61% Disapprove (-3, +2)
California: 55% Approve, 41% Disapprove (+2, +3)
Kansas: 36% Approve, 59% Disapprove (-2, +1)
Kentucky: 38% Approve, 58% Disapprove (nc, nc)
Missouri: 45% Approve, 52% Disapprove (+7, -6)
New York: 56% Approve, 40% Disapprove (+3, +1)
Oregon: 50% Approve, 47% Disapprove (+3, nc)
Virginia: 44% Approve, 54% Disapprove (+7, -6)
Washington: 50% Approve, 46% Disapprove (+2, -2)

Plus a Zogby poll from Florida:

55% Approve
42% Disapprove



http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1785


Rhode Island (Brown University):

54% Excellent/Good
44% Fair/Poor

The survey, conducted Dec. 4-6, 2009, is based on a sample of 442 registered voters in Rhode Island.

http://news.brown.edu/pressreleases/2009/12/survey


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SUSA's  polls for December have lost some of the off-the-wall quality that I thought I saw in November.  Bad batches can happen. The letter "S" completely disappears.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on December 19, 2009, 06:49:08 AM
SurveyUSA has their December numbers out (600 adults in each state, Dec. 11-13):

Alabama: 35% Approve, 61% Disapprove (-3, +2)
California: 55% Approve, 41% Disapprove (+2, +3)
Kansas: 36% Approve, 59% Disapprove (-2, +1)
Kentucky: 38% Approve, 58% Disapprove (nc, nc)
Missouri: 45% Approve, 52% Disapprove (+7, -6)
New York: 56% Approve, 40% Disapprove (+3, +1)
Oregon: 50% Approve, 47% Disapprove (+3, nc)
Virginia: 44% Approve, 54% Disapprove (+7, -6)
Washington: 50% Approve, 46% Disapprove (+2, -2)

Plus a Zogby poll from Florida:

55% Approve
42% Disapprove



http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1785


Rhode Island (Brown University):

54% Excellent/Good
44% Fair/Poor

The survey, conducted Dec. 4-6, 2009, is based on a sample of 442 registered voters in Rhode Island.

http://news.brown.edu/pressreleases/2009/12/survey


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In susa mass polls, there are always one or 2 outliers. Everybody knows that approval of Obama was not in 30s. The real numbers are in.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on December 20, 2009, 11:57:54 AM
Hey pbrower, I think that Zogby Florida poll should qualify as "suspect". If his approval is positive in Florida, it will be slightly positive, not by a 55\42 margin.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on December 20, 2009, 12:25:58 PM
Hey pbrower, I think that Zogby Florida poll should qualify as "suspect". If his approval is positive in Florida, it will be slightly positive, not by a 55\42 margin.

^^^ I agree with this.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 20, 2009, 12:28:25 PM
Hey pbrower, I think that Zogby Florida poll should qualify as "suspect". If his approval is positive in Florida, it will be slightly positive, not by a 55\42 margin.

You may be right. I don't ordinarily judge polls unless they are seemingly out of line (like one with a rating of 68% for Obama in Texas this summer, or those with low-thirties ratings for Obama in Kentucky, Missouri, and Virginia last month, or those that have weird or contradictory crosstabs. Heck, I have even seen transpositions.

It looks like a small-scale outlier, but I suspect that 51% wouldn't cause too many people to complain about it as an outlier. It's the same shade as I would give for 51%, so the map is OK. There will be more polls that will corroborate or discredit that poll.  It's not as bad as most of the November polls from SUSA that even a later SUSA set rendered irrelevant.

I have seen comparatively few statewide polls from Zogby.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on December 21, 2009, 01:33:11 PM
The registration edge suggests that Independents in North Carolina have voted heavily R in recent years -- even in 2008, and will do so in 2010 and 2012. Contrast the situation in South Dakota; practically every Independent would have to vote for a Democratic candidate for any Democrat to win in the state.   

That's not the case. It's a simple matter of Democrats voting Republican in large numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 21, 2009, 02:28:37 PM
North Dakota(Rasmussen)

Approve 41%
Disapprove 58%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/north_dakota/toplines/toplines_north_dakota_senate_december_17_2009


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on December 21, 2009, 02:35:54 PM
That can't be right, Rowan. I was told Obama will win fi-con states like ND and Texas.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 21, 2009, 03:05:56 PM
That can't be right, Rowan. I was told Obama will win fi-con states like ND and Texas.

The poll clearly doesn't include the Age Wave.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 21, 2009, 03:22:17 PM
North Dakota(Rasmussen)

Approve 41%
Disapprove 58%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/north_dakota/toplines/toplines_north_dakota_senate_december_17_2009

First poll ever from North Dakota, as I understand:

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"Likely voters", whatever that means, and approval. I suspect that the demographics of North Dakota are much like those of South Dakota.  It's again amazing that Obama got 46% of the vote in North Dakota in 2008.

One pattern that I noticed in a county-by-county analysis of voting in the 2008 Presidential election (the New York Times' Election Tool) was that Obama's vote corresponded more closely to population density than some of the usual determiners of recent decades,  like income and education that used to correspond closely to Republican votes. Poor blacks, Latinos, and Native Americans voted heavily for Obama, to be sure, but poor whites voted heavily for McCain -- more heavily than non-poor white people.

The connection: that the higher the population density, the more heavily people depend upon high-priced government services. Public expenditures on personal education are higher  on people near the top of the social apex (that includes college graduates, many of whom attend State universities), and they concentrate heavily in high-density areas; they also want, and are likely to get, their kids to attend public universities. Education costs more because schoolteachers' salaries must compete with private industry, which is not a problem where the alternative is to work more hours on the family farm. Law enforcement salaries are higher because the bribes of gangsters are far higher in urban areas.  The highways that suburban commuters use are more expensive to build (consider land acquisition as well as costs of bridges, overpasses, relocation of utilities, litigation, and lanes) than the two-lane blacktops wholly adequate in most of rural America. Highways like I-29, I-90, and I-94 in those states were more cheaply built than is, for example, I-95 in Pennsylvania (it goes through Philadelphia) or southern Florida (very urban). The three freeways in the Dakotas serve places outside the Dakotas as destinations.  An eight-lane expressway might be wholly inadequate in parts of New Jersey, but it would be ludicrous anywhere in the Dakotas or Montana.

But look at the large urban areas closest to the Dakotas: the Twin Cities, Denver, Des Moines, and Omaha. Obama won all of them. They have more in common with Chicago than with rural areas in the Dakotas or Nebraska. Even Lincoln, Nebraska went for Obama.

Urbanites and suburbanites need Big Government; rural America has little use or need for it.

That can't be right, Rowan. I was told Obama will win fi-con states like ND and Texas.
   

Obama wins the Dakotas if the GOP puts up someone completely wrong for the two states. Such is possible. Election 2012 is unlikely to depend on either or both of the Dakotas. Obama doesn't need Texas, but that's a different story altogether.

Nate Silver says that if one adds 4% to 5% to the approval rating among likely voters one gets a good estimate of the vote nationwide. He didn't say statewide, but that seems a reasonable approximation. Add 5% to Obama's current approval rating in North Dakota and you get the election result of November 2008.


That can't be right, Rowan. I was told Obama will win fi-con states like ND and Texas.

The poll clearly doesn't include the Age Wave.


Neither of the Dakotas is close enough for the Age Wave alone to decide Election 2012. Besides, the youngest voters in both states voted about 50-50 for Obama, which would make a flip of either state impossible without a major inroad into older populations. The states can vote for Democratic members of the House and Senate on occasion.

Missouri and Montana are the only states in which Obama could flip from 2008 losses simply on the Age Wave.  Any other Obama gains will depend on shifts of votes elsewhere.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 22, 2009, 03:45:17 PM
Colorado(Public Opinion Strategies)

Approve 43%
Disapprove 51%

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0BzLEv8CSM220MzEyNzlkMWMtZmI3NC00ZDU5LWJlYTYtYmY4NTY0OTIyOTE5&hl=en


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 22, 2009, 05:35:24 PM
Colorado(Public Opinion Strategies)

Approve 43%
Disapprove 51%

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0BzLEv8CSM220MzEyNzlkMWMtZmI3NC00ZDU5LWJlYTYtYmY4NTY0OTIyOTE5&hl=en

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Great day for the Hard Right! The GOP strategy is working!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: GLPman on December 22, 2009, 05:36:49 PM
Colorado(Public Opinion Strategies)

Approve 43%
Disapprove 51%

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0BzLEv8CSM220MzEyNzlkMWMtZmI3NC00ZDU5LWJlYTYtYmY4NTY0OTIyOTE5&hl=en

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Great day for the Hard Right! The GOP strategy is working!

Change Colorado to yellow.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on December 22, 2009, 05:45:57 PM
Someone credible and objective needs to start making a map, this guy is just unbelievable.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on December 22, 2009, 06:16:35 PM
Someone credible and objective needs to start making a map, this guy is just unbelievable.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on December 22, 2009, 06:31:44 PM
pbrower, are you seriously not going to change CO because you don't like that poll?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 22, 2009, 06:35:02 PM
Does anyone want me to start making a map?

A few rules I would follow:

1. All polls must be approval, not favorability

2. No Excellent/Good/Fair/Poor polls

3. No internal polls


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on December 22, 2009, 06:36:03 PM
pbrower, are you seriously not going to change CO because you don't like that poll?

1. No black people were interviewed

2. No gay people were interviewed

3. I love Obama, so screw you


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Republic on December 22, 2009, 06:39:04 PM
Does anyone want me to start making a map?

A few rules I would follow:

1. All polls must be approval, not favorability

2. No Excellent/Good/Fair/Poor polls

3. No internal polls

Sounds good to me, although I'd ask you to bring back the traditional forum standard of green=approve, red=disapprove.  I think we're mostly intelligent enough to differentiate that from Democratic red.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on December 22, 2009, 06:42:59 PM
Can you imagine what Pbrower will be like during the campaign....?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on December 22, 2009, 06:46:14 PM
Does anyone want me to start making a map?

A few rules I would follow:

1. All polls must be approval, not favorability

2. No Excellent/Good/Fair/Poor polls

3. No internal polls
yeah and add the new nevada poll http://www.pollster.com/blogs/nv_ratings_wfi_121215.php
pbrower you're laid off ... ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on December 22, 2009, 07:06:17 PM
I'm giving pbrower the benefit of the doubt, but he might have forgot to change it on the map, or changed the wrong item unintentionally.

Again, I'm relatively new here, so let's give him a little bit, and see if he changes it in response. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on December 22, 2009, 07:09:13 PM
I'm giving pbrower the benefit of the doubt, but he might have forgot to change it on the map, or changed the wrong item unintentionally.

Again, I'm relatively new here, so let's give him a little bit, and see if he changes it in response. 
We've given him almost a year. Trust me, my friend, he is a Democrat hack, who is convinved Obama will easily win re-electio because of the "Age Wave".


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on December 22, 2009, 07:36:08 PM
I still can't believe someone with even the smallest insight into basic politics would include favorability in with approval. And no, he does not deserve to be given the benefit of the doubt, he has proven time and again he only uses the results he likes.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on December 22, 2009, 08:05:36 PM
Thanks for stepping up to the plate, maybe we can finally have an objective map!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 22, 2009, 08:13:49 PM
The new map starts today. I'm not going to differentiate between whether he is at 51% or 65% approval. Green is if he is over 50% approval, and red is if he is under 50% approval. It might take me a bit to go back and find the last legitimate polls for each state, so bear with me(if you want to help to, that would be great).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on December 22, 2009, 08:16:38 PM
Colorado(Public Opinion Strategies)

Approve 43%
Disapprove 51%

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0BzLEv8CSM220MzEyNzlkMWMtZmI3NC00ZDU5LWJlYTYtYmY4NTY0OTIyOTE5&hl=en

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Great day for the Hard Right! The GOP strategy is working!
Fixed it...
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 22, 2009, 08:47:30 PM
Okay guys, how's this? I tried to go back and find the polls. I am almost 100% sure there was a Georgia poll somewhere but I must have missed it going back, so if someone could bring it up that would be great. Also, if you know any of the other states that I have as gray on this map, that would be great as well. Also, if you feel like I have made any mistakes on the states please let me know. I want this as accurate as possible.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Republic on December 22, 2009, 08:52:07 PM
Great job, Rowan.  Any chance of shading?  :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 22, 2009, 09:03:26 PM
Obama is at 60% in only one state(MD), so it is dark green. He is at 60% disapproval in some states, so they are dark red.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: GLPman on December 22, 2009, 09:07:53 PM
Obama is at 60% in only one state(MD), so it is dark green. He is at 60% disapproval in some states, so they are dark red.

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Looks great so far. I'm glad somebody finally did this the right way.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on December 22, 2009, 09:40:48 PM
Obama is at 60% in only one state(MD), so it is dark green. He is at 60% disapproval in some states, so they are dark red.

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Looks great so far. I'm glad somebody finally did this the right way.

Agreed.  The colors make sense, and the shading makes sense.  Could you perhaps put a number for the month it came out in (12 for December, 1 for January, etc.)?  Thanks.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 22, 2009, 09:58:42 PM
How do I do that?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on December 22, 2009, 09:59:18 PM

Just alter the electoral vote numbers in the code.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on December 22, 2009, 10:14:54 PM
Great Job RB!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 22, 2009, 10:43:20 PM
I can't get Maine and Nebraska to not show up. The rest are all good though.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on December 22, 2009, 11:56:17 PM
Didn't realize how much sense this makes with the red and green.  It's almost Christmas and it's perfect. We'll go with this color scheme instead!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 23, 2009, 01:15:49 AM
I prefer the Yellow for negative states, Red just doesn`t seem to fit.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 23, 2009, 01:57:45 AM
Does anyone want me to start making a map?

A few rules I would follow:

1. All polls must be approval, not favorability

2. No Excellent/Good/Fair/Poor polls

3. No internal polls
yeah and add the new nevada poll http://www.pollster.com/blogs/nv_ratings_wfi_121215.php
pbrower you're laid off ... ;)

Special interest group.  Disqualified!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Farage on December 23, 2009, 06:03:46 AM
Does anyone want me to start making a map?

A few rules I would follow:

1. All polls must be approval, not favorability

2. No Excellent/Good/Fair/Poor polls

3. No internal polls
yeah and add the new nevada poll http://www.pollster.com/blogs/nv_ratings_wfi_121215.php
pbrower you're laid off ... ;)

Special interest group.  Disqualified!
like you always say ... a poll is a poll after all ... ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Republic on December 23, 2009, 06:08:27 AM
I prefer the Yellow for negative states, Red just doesn`t seem to fit.

Red and green is the way it's always been done for approval and referenda maps.  Just like the red-blue scheme that the Atlas has always used, it makes far more sense this way.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Republic on December 23, 2009, 06:12:28 AM
I can't get Maine and Nebraska to not show up. The rest are all good though.

Here you go:


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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 23, 2009, 08:37:17 AM
Gracias, :).

What did you do to the code to get it like that?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Republic on December 23, 2009, 09:50:11 AM
Gracias, :).

What did you do to the code to get it like that?

I changed the '2008' near the beginning of the code to '1964'; one of only two election years (the other being 1968, which works the same way) in which D.C. appears, and Maine's districts don't show up.  (They started using their system from 1972 onwards.)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 23, 2009, 10:21:53 AM
Kentucky(PPP)

Approve 35%
Disapprove 59%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_KY_1223.pdf

No change to the map, essentially the same as the SUSA poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on December 23, 2009, 11:10:52 AM
Gracias, :).

What did you do to the code to get it like that?

I changed the '2008' near the beginning of the code to '1964'; one of only two election years (the other being 1968, which works the same way) in which D.C. appears, and Maine's districts don't show up.  (They started using their system from 1972 onwards.)

That is exactly what I do as well. Not bad.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on December 23, 2009, 12:06:22 PM
Does anyone want me to start making a map?

A few rules I would follow:

1. All polls must be approval, not favorability

2. No Excellent/Good/Fair/Poor polls

3. No internal polls


In theory, you should not mix adult, RV and LV voters polls but I know that it's impossible due to the weak number of polls. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 23, 2009, 12:42:22 PM
Does anyone want me to start making a map?

A few rules I would follow:

1. All polls must be approval, not favorability

2. No Excellent/Good/Fair/Poor polls

3. No internal polls


In theory, you should not mix adult, RV and LV voters polls but I know that it's impossible due to the weak number of polls. 

I would definitely agree, but like you said, there simply aren't enough polls to do this.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 23, 2009, 12:44:39 PM
Polls sometimes have separate sets of numbers for RVs and LVs though, so you could institute some consistent policy for picking one over the other if a poll has both.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on December 23, 2009, 12:49:56 PM
Three separate maps would be a stretch.

I prefer LV to RV. I don't like adult polling at all. It makes no sense to me, but I know that is just my cup of tea.

In conclusion, average them out. Do the same if you have a state recently polled by multiple pollsters.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 23, 2009, 12:55:38 PM
If both LV's and RV's are over 50%(or under 50%), the map doesn't make a difference anyway. If there is a discrepancy(one over 50%, one under 50%), I would probably just take the average of the two.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on December 23, 2009, 12:58:46 PM
Great job, Rowan.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 23, 2009, 05:32:09 PM
I'm giving pbrower the benefit of the doubt, but he might have forgot to change it on the map, or changed the wrong item unintentionally.I

Again, I'm relatively new here, so let's give him a little bit, and see if he changes it in response.  
We've given him almost a year. Trust me, my friend, he is a Democrat hack, who is convinved Obama will easily win re-electio because of the "Age Wave".

It was my goof. I have changed it.


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As for the Age Wave -- it's more limited than you think. It is little more than the tendency for current voters under 30 to vote more heavily D than the rest of America. Such was true in 2008 -- but not in the 1980s and 1990s, when the youngest voters were more conservative than any voters born since 1900. It's enough to shape elections but not enough to prevent a defeat of Obama in his bid for re-election in 2012 should he prove incompetent or corrup.

In 2012 that age group will expand to 18-34, and older voting groups will shrink due to the usual causes (deaths and senescence, especially to the old) and if nothing changes in voting patterns by age, Obama will pick up everything that he won in 2008 and add Missouri and Montana. That is a very slight change compared to any patterns that states might display -- such as a tendency to vote against or vote for incumbents, development or degeneration of statewide Party apparatuses for Parties (either way), Obama's personal campaigning or lack thereof, and either disappointment of constituencies of Obama voters of 2008 or the willingness of those who voted against him in 2008 to be satisfied with him to their surprise in 2012.  Some state will be associated with Republican nominees for President and Vice-President, and that will be a bigger factor in individual states.

The Age Wave hurt Democratic Presidential candidates at least as late as 2000. Then the 19-30 age group was almost entirely the so-called Generation X that has been much more conservative than the current young adults. The age wave of the time may have been enough to keep Florida and New Hampshire from going for Al Gore in 2000; either would have been enough to give Al Gore the indelible number '43' The voters of 2008  between 18 and 26 then were aged 14 through 26 in 2004, but people under 18 don't vote. It wouldn't have taken much for Kerry to win Iowa, New Mexico, and Ohio -- and the Presidency; the electorate of 2008 would have won it for Kerry even with a weak candidacy.  

The Election of 2012 will depend upon stories much larger than any Age Wave -- like whether Obama is an effective or ineffective President, the absence or presence of strong GOP nominees in 2012, the attraction of constituencies that voted against Obama in 2008 or the defection of some who voted for him in 2008. "The economy" will be a large part of the picture.

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Although there will be polls announced during the Holiday season I hardly expect many to be taken during it. Other than polls through mid-December and national tracking polls  I expect few new ones until perhaps the second week of January. They will be marked by the letter "A" -- not "M". President Obama has expended much political capital into the legislation that he sought to showcase, and he has a legislative success to show for it. Some will call it one of the most welcome pieces of legislation in American history; some will consider it an unmitigated disaster.  Once the legislation is passed, those who have opposed it are unlikely to keep protesting it; they will have other concerns.

I am in no position to predict how the completion of the process of enacting a health0care reform will affect the President's approval ratings. Legislative success is better for one's political career than is legislative failure.


I am sticking to my color scheme, but if you want another one as a rival, then by all means stick with it.  I may tend toward approval polls, but I will accept RV when "likely voters" is not availability.  Who knows now who the "likely voters" of 2012 will be in the Presidential election?

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on December 23, 2009, 05:39:57 PM
I love how pbrower is trying to cover his tracks now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on December 23, 2009, 06:49:03 PM

As for the Age Wave -- it's more limited than you think.

What? Pbrower, you are the only person crazy about the Age Wave. I think it's a load of crap, as do most people with a working brain.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 23, 2009, 09:05:27 PM
I love how pbrower is trying to cover his tracks now.

I try to stay consistent. Unbiased? Impossible! Anyone without bias would stay clear of this board.


As for the Age Wave -- it's more limited than you think.

What? Pbrower, you are the only person crazy about the Age Wave. I think it's a load of crap, as do most people with a working brain.

I discussed it a few times, recognized its limitations, and that it is slighter than almost everything else. If you don't want me to discuss it when other things are more significant at the time, then don't bring it up?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on December 23, 2009, 11:31:18 PM
Sorry pbrower, you've been replaced.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: GLPman on December 23, 2009, 11:42:05 PM
Sorry pbrower, you've been replaced.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on December 23, 2009, 11:47:17 PM
Pbrower, you're trying too hard.  Your time is up, give the job to some young blood!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on December 24, 2009, 12:25:17 AM
He is completely in denial about being fired, it's best to just leave him alone for now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Duke on December 24, 2009, 01:16:49 AM
He is completely in denial about being fired, it's best to just leave him alone for now.

What if he wants his stapler back?

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Beet on December 24, 2009, 02:28:36 PM
Is there any chance the shading could be made more dramatic-- especially since there are only 2 or 3 shades max? It's hard to see the difference currently.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 24, 2009, 02:34:01 PM
Is there any chance the shading could be made more dramatic-- especially since there are only 2 or 3 shades max? It's hard to see the difference currently.

I was thinking about that. Maybe something like a different shade for 55% or 60%?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Beet on December 24, 2009, 02:45:47 PM
Is there any chance the shading could be made more dramatic-- especially since there are only 2 or 3 shades max? It's hard to see the difference currently.

I was thinking about that. Maybe something like a different shade for 55% or 60%?

That could work as well-- I was thinking of just more dramatic shades. The problem is the more granular you want to be, the less room you have to make the colors different from one another.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on December 24, 2009, 03:18:23 PM
<40% with Disapproval Higher: 90% Red
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 60% Red
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Red
50% or <50% with Approval Higher or Equal: Yellow
51-55%: 30% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 90% Dark Green

Just throwing it out there. Don't worry about my feelings. Haha.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 24, 2009, 06:04:34 PM
<40% with Disapproval Higher: 90% Red
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 60% Red
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Red
50% or <50% with Approval Higher or Equal: Yellow
51-55%: 30% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 90% Dark Green

Just throwing it out there. Don't worry about my feelings. Haha.

That's a good one, although I prefer yellow and green, with white for a tie. The "dark yellows" would become beige and tan. 10% yellow comes off as white.

Here's my proposal:
<40% with Disapproval Higher: 70% Yellow (90% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
50%  Approval Equal: 20% Green
51-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval). Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no poll within the last 180 days.

No push polls or polls from a political party or special interest (ethnic advocacy, union, gun-rights, pro-life or pro-choice, gay rights, religious group, advocates of specific legislation) should be accepted). College polls are OK.

Colors from over 180 days may be maintained only if the poll is reasonable (corroboration in other states with similar political histories or the previous election) without ambiguity. Ambiguity -- it goes gray.

  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on December 24, 2009, 06:07:06 PM
<40% with Disapproval Higher: 90% Red
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 60% Red
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Red
50% or <50% with Approval Higher or Equal: Yellow
51-55%: 30% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 90% Dark Green

Just throwing it out there. Don't worry about my feelings. Haha.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on December 24, 2009, 06:08:18 PM
<40% with Disapproval Higher: 90% Red
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 60% Red
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Red
50% or <50% with Approval Higher or Equal: Yellow
51-55%: 30% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 90% Dark Green

Just throwing it out there. Don't worry about my feelings. Haha.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on December 24, 2009, 06:24:38 PM
So according to all the polls gathered up, the modified Obama approval/disapproval should look something like this.
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Red for dissapproval higher than approval from 30%-90%
Green for approval higher than disapproval from 30%-90%

Yellow - Tied approval & disapproval

30% - light shade
60% - medium shade
90% - dark shade

The numbers added in are the month the poll was taken.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on December 24, 2009, 07:26:39 PM
So according to all the polls gathered up, the modified Obama approval/disapproval should look something like this.
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Red for dissapproval higher than approval from 30%-90%
Green for approval higher than disapproval from 30%-90%

Yellow - Tied approval & disapproval

30% - light shade
60% - medium shade
90% - dark shade

The numbers added in are the month the poll was taken.

Net dissapproval in Maryland, DC, and Delaware?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 24, 2009, 08:02:20 PM
So according to all the polls gathered up, the modified Obama approval/disapproval should look something like this.
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Red for dissapproval higher than approval from 30%-90%
Green for approval higher than disapproval from 30%-90%

Yellow - Tied approval & disapproval

30% - light shade
60% - medium shade
90% - dark shade

The numbers added in are the month the poll was taken.

Net dissapproval in Maryland, DC, and Delaware?

Fixed. Alaska and DC have never been polled, and NE-02 voted very differently from the rest of Nebraska, NE-02  most recently (but more than six months ago) showing a net positive rating for Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 24, 2009, 08:18:47 PM
This thread has turned into a giant clusterfock.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on December 24, 2009, 08:23:25 PM
Pbrower, why use letters for the months?  Just use numbers like normal people do when looking at the date.

January - 1
February - 2
March - 3
April - 4
May - 5
June - 6
July - 7
August - 8
September - 9
October - 10
November - 11
December - 12


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Republic on December 24, 2009, 08:30:53 PM
Look, let's just leave it to RowanBrandon.  He knows what he's doing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 24, 2009, 09:15:21 PM
Pbrower, why use letters for the months?  Just use numbers like normal people do when looking at the date.

January - 1
February - 2
March - 3
April - 4
May - 5
June - 6
July - 7
August - 8
September - 9
October - 10
November - 11
December - 12

Because

1. It is easier to put a letter on a state with little area than it is to put a two-digit number. New England gets crowded, Delaware is hard to see, and boxes for the congressional districts of Nebraska could be interesting. That won't matter again until October. after 2008 polls become irrelevant.

2. Numbers could suggest electoral votes and confuse people. Letters shouldn't be so hard to figure out, especially if I occasionally post the key.

3. Someone suggested that numbers would cause trouble if I tried to use numbers that would not be confused with electoral votes  (then it was "Add 70 to the number of the month") and I still had problems with the format -- problems that others insist that I change.

4. I would have to explain "S" and "Z" if everything else was a number. If someone transmits an approval poll with a transposition error, then do you think I want to show that it is an error?

5. I am slow to tweak my methods.

....

Because of the health-care legislation I may be tempted to start over if the national tracking polls for approval take a shift.  That legislation is quite possibly the most significant legislation since the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or Medicare (take your pick), and I suspect that a huge legislative success for the President and his Party will change the public opinion of both. Whether the legislation is right or wrong is of course a matter of taste. Success has many would-be fathers; failure is an orphan. Add to that the rancor over the legislative process comes to an end. The Tea Party protests will likely continue, but they won't be over health-care reform. 

After this bill, others are likely to seem either obvious or petty by contrast.   

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on December 24, 2009, 10:33:09 PM
Pbrower, why use letters for the months?  Just use numbers like normal people do when looking at the date.

January - 1
February - 2
March - 3
April - 4
May - 5
June - 6
July - 7
August - 8
September - 9
October - 10
November - 11
December - 12



That legislation is quite possibly the most significant legislation since the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or Medicare (take your pick), and I suspect that a huge legislative success for the President and his Party will change the public opinion of both.

 

I think it's fair that you believe that, but let me be the first to disagree.  Legislatively, this is a success, sure.  However, in what public opinion poll is this health reform bill popular?  A recent CNN Poll had the opposition at 61%, and I haven't seen any polls in the last few months showing over 50% favorability of this plan.  If you could direct me to a few, I will gladly eat crow, I just don't believe that there are many.

Given that the vast majority of the poor and uninsured, already are on record as approving of the President and this plan (because it will positively affect them and their financial state directly), it would take a majority of at least 55% to make a significant bump in the President's approval rating. Also, in my opinion, any bump will be temporary, because this legislation won't affect that many people, unless it is determined that people's health care plans will be taxed. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 24, 2009, 11:22:44 PM

That legislation is quite possibly the most significant legislation since the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or Medicare (take your pick), and I suspect that a huge legislative success for the President and his Party will change the public opinion of both.

 

I think it's fair that you believe that, but let me be the first to disagree.  Legislatively, this is a success, sure.  However, in what public opinion poll is this health reform bill popular?  A recent CNN Poll had the opposition at 61%, and I haven't seen any polls in the last few months showing over 50% favorability of this plan.  If you could direct me to a few, I will gladly eat crow, I just don't believe that there are many.

There has been a well-organized, loud counter-campaign against the legislation. That is over. What remains to be seen is whether the legislation is reasonable or full of folly.

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Given that the vast majority of the poor and uninsured, already are on record as approving of the President and this plan (because it will positively affect them and their financial state directly), it would take a majority of at least 55% to make a significant bump in the President's approval rating. Also, in my opinion, any bump will be temporary, because this legislation won't affect that many people, unless it is determined that people's health care plans will be taxed. 

Ironically, the 2008 election had the slightest link between income and voting in years. The poor of all kinds used to be reliable voters  for the Democratic Party; such remained so for Hispanics, blacks, and native Americans -- but not whites. Poor whites voted heavily for John McCain. I recall that such rich counties as Loudoun (Virginia), Westchester (New York), and Marin (California) voted for Obama. Some of the poorest counties in America -- those lily-white poor counties in southeastern Kentucky -- voted resolutely for John McCain.  McCain did not promise to increase welfare payments or offer any similar enticements. Go figure!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 25, 2009, 03:21:11 PM
How is this guys?

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30-39%- Dark Dark Red
40-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% but Approval is higher than Disapproval- Pink
50-54%- Light Green
55-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Let me know if you guys have any suggestions.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on December 25, 2009, 04:05:35 PM
Looks like a damn Christmas US map, but good none the less.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on December 25, 2009, 09:12:54 PM
How is this guys?

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30-39%- Dark Dark Red
40-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% but Approval is higher than Disapproval- Pink
50-54%- Light Green
55-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Let me know if you guys have any suggestions.

Pretty good.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CultureKing on December 26, 2009, 12:07:44 AM
How is this guys?

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30-39%- Dark Dark Red
40-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% but Approval is higher than Disapproval- Pink
50-54%- Light Green
55-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Let me know if you guys have any suggestions.

Pretty good.
I would say switch under 50% approval but higher than disapproval to the really light blue.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on December 26, 2009, 01:26:42 AM
Light blue?  Why not yellow, sort of like an intersection light.  Green for good to go, yelllow for ok, and red for stop or negative.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 26, 2009, 01:34:53 AM
Light blue?  Why not yellow, sort of like an intersection light.  Green for good to go, yelllow for ok, and red for stop or negative.

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Yeah, looks OK.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 26, 2009, 01:50:59 AM
VA and CO really that bad?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 26, 2009, 01:53:09 AM
2 things to add:

Nevada (Public Opinion Strategies-R):

45% Approve
50% Disapprove

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/nv_ratings_wfi_121215.php

And NY has been polled by SUSA in December, it has 56-40 approval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 26, 2009, 01:56:22 AM

CO was polled by a Republican pollster (POS) recently and it showed Obama at 43%, but Rasmussen had him at positive approval there a couple weeks ago.

VA is odd too, because Rasmussen had him close to 50% there among LV, but SUSA always has him at 40% among adults, and one could think that adult polls consist of more minority voters and therefore these adult polls in VA would show higher results for Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: live free or die on December 26, 2009, 02:22:09 AM

I was shocked as well.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 26, 2009, 02:33:24 AM

CO was polled by a Republican pollster (POS) recently and it showed Obama at 43%, but Rasmussen had him at positive approval there a couple weeks ago.

VA is odd too, because Rasmussen had him close to 50% there among LV, but SUSA always has him at 40% among adults, and one could think that adult polls consist of more minority voters and therefore these adult polls in VA would show higher results for Obama.

I think I'd go with the 'bots.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 26, 2009, 09:21:19 AM
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Ok, fixed the NY one(I had the right poll numbers, just put 7 in the wrong part of the code). I don't see why the Nevada has to change, it's in the 45-49% range so it's red.

Also, I have implemented a 6 month expiration date on polls. As a poll from June or July is not very indicative of where he is at this moment.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on December 26, 2009, 10:29:18 AM
good job!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 26, 2009, 10:35:09 AM
I think if there's a state with 2 or more polls out in a month and released in a timespan of a few weeks, you should average them. For example in Colorado, you have a Rasmussen poll at 50-49 from the second week of December and a GOP poll from the third week at 43%. Colorado would be not as dark red after all.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on December 26, 2009, 11:51:59 AM
Why are you guys so focused on Virginia and Colorado?  If people are disapproving him bad there, then leave it red.  Jesus... Its like you guys want Obama to have him win it again in 2012, no....


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 26, 2009, 11:56:10 AM
If I start doing averages, then Arizona goes to dark red as Rasmussen had a 40/60 poll of him there. I'd rather just stick with the latest poll, mainly because it's easier that way.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 26, 2009, 02:19:01 PM
Why are you guys so focused on Virginia and Colorado?  If people are disapproving him bad there, then leave it red.  Jesus... Its like you guys want Obama to have him win it again in 2012, no....

Because those are likely the decisive states of 2012!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 26, 2009, 02:26:38 PM

Nothing really changes with the CO and NV polls:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on December 26, 2009, 02:57:36 PM
Excellent job, Rowan Brandon.

Word of advice: For states not polled, but each conservative or liberal leaning, I'm sure it would be fine to color them in in different colors, just as they are suspected to think.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on December 26, 2009, 03:14:07 PM
I'll be honest: I do like the coloring of Pbrower's map a little better than the new one we all cooked up. 

I like the lighter shading as opposed to the solid red, green, and pink in the new one. 

As long as pbrower continues (starts?) adding to it with the polls posted, it should be fine.  Also, I totally agree with nik, that we can just color the obvious states that aren't polled in their specific color.  They aren't polled for a reason: it's obvious which way they lean. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on December 26, 2009, 04:19:55 PM
I'll be honest: I do like the coloring of Pbrower's map a little better than the new one we all cooked up. 

I like the lighter shading as opposed to the solid red, green, and pink in the new one. 

As long as pbrower continues (starts?) adding to it with the polls posted, it should be fine.  Also, I totally agree with nik, that we can just color the obvious states that aren't polled in their specific color.  They aren't polled for a reason: it's obvious which way they lean. 

His maps are filled with lies, he includes what should not be included.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on December 26, 2009, 11:13:41 PM
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His maps are filled with lies, he includes what should not be included.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 27, 2009, 01:33:21 AM
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His maps are filled with lies, he includes what should not be included.

His maps are not fundamentally different to Rowan's.

I just like the Yellow-Green distinction better but prefer Rowan's numbering for the dates of the polls instead of the letters.

Let them create their own maps and everybody is happy.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 27, 2009, 02:14:36 AM
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His maps are filled with lies, he includes what should not be included.

His maps are not fundamentally different to Rowan's.

I just like the Yellow-Green distinction better but prefer Rowan's numbering for the dates of the polls instead of the letters.

Let them create their own maps and everybody is happy.

Thank you. Errors are not lies until one holds them to be truth once they are discredited. Opinions are not lies unless they are "bought".  Different interpretations of reality are not lies. I have made plenty of errors on these maps, and when I get caught in one, I change it.  

There are enough polls that, on the whole, obsolete polls and outliers tend to vanish. Do you remember my beef with SUSA putting out some strange polls in November? Later polls, some by SUSA itself, rendered those polls irrelevant. For now I might prefer "Registered Voters"  to "Likely Voters" because someone who has registered to vote has shown a desire to vote in the next election, and some "likely voters", especially in the 60+ age group, will definitely not vote. Some will surely die before they vote. Someone who registered to vote in the 2010 election at age 17 who turns 18 in September has much more chance of voting than someone who "hasn't missed an election since 1936, when I was too young to vote".  That "person who hasn't missed an election since 1936" is now 93 years old.  Which appearance would you prefer to bet on?

I suggest that red and blue be used for predictions of how states would vote in a forthcoming election based on information now available, as is normally done. I think that I will make my prediction based on existing polls on January 1, 2010, as few polls are likely to appear from the holiday weekend.  



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vosem on December 27, 2009, 07:44:50 AM
I prefer Rowan's maps.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 27, 2009, 10:49:16 AM
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His maps are filled with lies, he includes what should not be included.

His maps are not fundamentally different to Rowan's.

I just like the Yellow-Green distinction better but prefer Rowan's numbering for the dates of the polls instead of the letters.

Let them create their own maps and everybody is happy.

I think they mean that he mixes favorability polls, excellent/good/fair/poor, and has used internal polls(Indiana is one IIRC).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on December 27, 2009, 12:51:18 PM
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His maps are filled with lies, he includes what should not be included.

His maps are not fundamentally different to Rowan's.

I just like the Yellow-Green distinction better but prefer Rowan's numbering for the dates of the polls instead of the letters.

Let them create their own maps and everybody is happy.

I think they mean that he mixes favorability polls

Really? Favorability polls are always higher for President Obama, because he is a likable guy, whether you agree or disagree with his policies (personally, I disagree).  If that's the case, then I'd be against using pbrower's map, because those numbers are always 5-6 points higher minimum.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on December 28, 2009, 10:19:57 AM
Its nice to see after a solid year of bitchin and moanin about Pbrowers maps that someone finally actually stepped up and did one of their own instead of continuing to just complain.

Now the farce has been exposed. With Pbrower's rampant bias removed and replaced with other posters biases we see the map has radically flipped....Colorado which Pbrower himself switched after a delay of nearly <gasp) 48 hours.

Great job!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 28, 2009, 05:19:29 PM
Its nice to see after a solid year of bitchin and moanin about Pbrowers maps that someone finally actually stepped up and did one of their own instead of continuing to just complain.

Now the farce has been exposed. With Pbrower's rampant bias removed and replaced with other posters biases we see the map has radically flipped....Colorado which Pbrower himself switched after a delay of nearly <gasp) 48 hours.

Great job!

:)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Magic 8-Ball on December 28, 2009, 06:06:27 PM
Its nice to see after a solid year of bitchin and moanin about Pbrowers maps that someone finally actually stepped up and did one of their own instead of continuing to just complain.

Now the farce has been exposed. With Pbrower's rampant bias removed and replaced with other posters biases we see the map has radically flipped....Colorado which Pbrower himself switched after a delay of nearly <gasp) 48 hours.

Great job!

The Free Market at its finest.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on December 28, 2009, 10:50:58 PM
Its nice to see after a solid year of bitchin and moanin about Pbrowers maps that someone finally actually stepped up and did one of their own instead of continuing to just complain.

Now the farce has been exposed. With Pbrower's rampant bias removed and replaced with other posters biases we see the map has radically flipped....Colorado which Pbrower himself switched after a delay of nearly <gasp) 48 hours.

Great job!

The Free Market at its finest.

What "Free Market"?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on December 29, 2009, 12:03:49 AM
Free market to do anything!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 29, 2009, 10:43:44 AM
Nebraska(Rasmussen)

Approve 38%
Disapprove 61%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2012/nebraska/toplines/toplines_2012_nebraska_senate_election_december_28_2009

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We finally get a Nebraska poll and it's no surprise.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on December 29, 2009, 11:39:00 AM
Its nice to see after a solid year of bitchin and moanin about Pbrowers maps that someone finally actually stepped up and did one of their own instead of continuing to just complain.

Now the farce has been exposed. With Pbrower's rampant bias removed and replaced with other posters biases we see the map has radically flipped....Colorado which Pbrower himself switched after a delay of nearly <gasp) 48 hours.

Great job!

The Free Market at its finest.

What has it got to do with the "market" anyway?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rob on December 29, 2009, 12:30:27 PM
What has it got to do with the "market" anyway?

The marketplace of ideas, son.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Magic 8-Ball on December 29, 2009, 03:24:22 PM
Its nice to see after a solid year of bitchin and moanin about Pbrowers maps that someone finally actually stepped up and did one of their own instead of continuing to just complain.

Now the farce has been exposed. With Pbrower's rampant bias removed and replaced with other posters biases we see the map has radically flipped....Colorado which Pbrower himself switched after a delay of nearly <gasp) 48 hours.

Great job!

The Free Market at its finest.

What has it got to do with the "market" anyway?

Oh my, it seems as though you couldn't read the post I quoted.  You might need to get your monitor checked out.

Rob gives a nice, terse explanation that you should find satisfactory.  I mean, it's not as though your recent conversion was half-hearted or anything, right?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 29, 2009, 03:27:53 PM
This is a map of December polls only.  I am starting with December because the December map contains at four states (Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Utah) that rarely get polled.

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Colorado and Florida are averages. Louisiana is excellent-good-fair-poor.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 70% Yellow (90% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
51-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval). Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximun 180 days) before December 1, 2009.

No push polls or polls from a political party or special interest (ethnic advocacy, union, business advocacy [Chamber of Commerce, National Association of Manufacturers, etc.; business journals are OK] gun-rights, pro-life or pro-choice, gay rights, religious group [Christian Science Monitor OK if it should appear with a poll], advocates of specific legislation) should be accepted). College polls are OK.

Colors from over 180 days may be maintained only if the poll is reasonable (corroboration in other states with similar political histories or the previous election) without ambiguity. Ambiguity causes it to go gray.

I am showing the three different districts in Nebraska; in 2008, NE-01 voted much like Texas; NE-02 voted much like Indiana; NE-03 voted much like Wyoming.  Those in Maine aren't much different and won't differ in any race except one in which Maine is really close -- and such would be a race that Barack Obama can only lose.

  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on December 29, 2009, 03:50:16 PM
Its nice to see after a solid year of bitchin and moanin about Pbrowers maps that someone finally actually stepped up and did one of their own instead of continuing to just complain.

Now the farce has been exposed. With Pbrower's rampant bias removed and replaced with other posters biases we see the map has radically flipped....Colorado which Pbrower himself switched after a delay of nearly <gasp) 48 hours.

Great job!

The Free Market at its finest.

What has it got to do with the "market" anyway?

Oh my, it seems as though you couldn't read the post I quoted.  You might need to get your monitor checked out.

Rob gives a nice, terse explanation that you should find satisfactory.  I mean, it's not as though your recent conversion was half-hearted or anything, right?

I'm an atheist. I have no heart.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: GLPman on December 29, 2009, 05:10:33 PM
This is a partial map of December polls only. Please not that I am far from complete, as I am "graying-out" anything before December. I am starting with December because the December map contains at four states (Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Utah) that rarely get polled.

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Colorado and Florida are averages. Louisiana is excellent-good-fair-poor.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 70% Yellow (90% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
51-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval). Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximun 180 days) before December 1, 2009.

No push polls or polls from a political party or special interest (ethnic advocacy, union, business advocacy [Chamber of Commerce, National Association of Manufacturers, etc.; business journals are OK] gun-rights, pro-life or pro-choice, gay rights, religious group [Christian Science Monitor OK if it should appear with a poll], advocates of specific legislation) should be accepted). College polls are OK.

Colors from over 180 days may be maintained only if the poll is reasonable (corroboration in other states with similar political histories or the previous election) without ambiguity. Ambiguity causes it to go gray.

I am showing the three different districts in Nebraska; in 2008, NE-01 voted much like Texas; NE-02 voted much like Indiana; NE-03 voted much like Wyoming.  Those in Maine aren't much different and won't differ in any race except one in which Maine is really close -- and such would be a race that Barack Obama can only lose.

  


This seems unnecessary.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 29, 2009, 05:28:59 PM
Nebraska(Rasmussen)

Approve 38%
Disapprove 61%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2012/nebraska/toplines/toplines_2012_nebraska_senate_election_december_28_2009

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We finally get a Nebraska poll and it's no surprise.


Maryland that bad too?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 29, 2009, 05:31:28 PM
Nebraska(Rasmussen)

Approve 38%
Disapprove 61%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2012/nebraska/toplines/toplines_2012_nebraska_senate_election_december_28_2009

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We finally get a Nebraska poll and it's no surprise.


Maryland that bad too?

Huh? Maryland is dark green.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on December 29, 2009, 05:37:23 PM
A 38/61 Approval rating is actually good for Obama in Nebraska at this point.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 29, 2009, 05:48:55 PM
A 38/61 Approval rating is actually good for Obama in Nebraska at this point.

How so? He won 42% there in 2008.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on December 29, 2009, 05:59:14 PM
A 38/61 Approval rating is actually good for Obama in Nebraska at this point.

How so? He won 42% there in 2008.
He won by 53% nationwide. This means that Nebraska is R+11. Nebraska is only R+8(in theory) according to this approval rating because Obama is getting 46% nationwide currently according to Rassmussen.

Point is Obama still has a good chance of winning that Nebraska CD in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 29, 2009, 06:12:38 PM

Fresh start for a new year. This is a good time to start, as it looks like a point before President Obama won his pet legislation. I arbitrarily chose to start with December for four reasons -- four states that rarely get polled, even if those four are unlikely to be Obama wins. Without those four states (Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah) we might have a huge chink of "gray" space for a very long time.

We may see whether the legislative success helps Obama even if it is an end to some political tension that could  have felt very bad. We may see change related to economic improvement or decline. 

It's all up to interpretation.     


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Republic on December 29, 2009, 06:45:18 PM
Why is pbrower still posting maps?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on December 29, 2009, 06:51:11 PM

Because we can't control what he does.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 29, 2009, 06:52:48 PM

Because I want to, and I can.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Republic on December 29, 2009, 07:32:33 PM

Fair enough.  In which case, I guess the () (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=ignore;u=3398;topic=91754) button is the best way forward.  Sorry, but you brought it upon yourself.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 29, 2009, 07:36:41 PM
A 38/61 Approval rating is actually good for Obama in Nebraska at this point.

How so? He won 42% there in 2008.
He won by 53% nationwide. This means that Nebraska is R+11. Nebraska is only R+8(in theory) according to this approval rating because Obama is getting 46% nationwide currently according to Rassmussen.

Point is Obama still has a good chance of winning that Nebraska CD in 2012.

Good point. But sometimes Rasmussen's approvals are just a little out there, for example his 45% in South Carolina when he was 47% nationally.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 30, 2009, 01:37:27 AM
A 38/61 Approval rating is actually good for Obama in Nebraska at this point.

How so? He won 42% there in 2008.
He won by 53% nationwide. This means that Nebraska is R+11. Nebraska is only R+8(in theory) according to this approval rating because Obama is getting 46% nationwide currently according to Rassmussen.

Point is Obama still has a good chance of winning that Nebraska CD in 2012.

Good point. But sometimes Rasmussen's approvals are just a little out there, for example his 45% in South Carolina when he was 47% nationally.

Funny that you are denying Obama's numbers even if they are low ...

From PPP on South Carolina (Dec. 3-6):

Do you approve or disapprove of President Barack Obama’s job performance?

Approve .......................................................... 46%
Disapprove...................................................... 49%
Not Sure.......................................................... 5%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_SC_1208.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Magic 8-Ball on December 30, 2009, 04:17:53 AM
Its nice to see after a solid year of bitchin and moanin about Pbrowers maps that someone finally actually stepped up and did one of their own instead of continuing to just complain.

Now the farce has been exposed. With Pbrower's rampant bias removed and replaced with other posters biases we see the map has radically flipped....Colorado which Pbrower himself switched after a delay of nearly <gasp) 48 hours.

Great job!

The Free Market at its finest.

What has it got to do with the "market" anyway?

Oh my, it seems as though you couldn't read the post I quoted.  You might need to get your monitor checked out.

Rob gives a nice, terse explanation that you should find satisfactory.  I mean, it's not as though your recent conversion was half-hearted or anything, right?

I'm an atheist. I have no heart.

Religion isn't what you claimed to have converted to.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on December 30, 2009, 04:47:32 AM
Yeah, the approval rating in the states sometimes don't matchup with his approval rating overall.

For example, Rasmussen found him at 48/50 in Michigan, a state where Obama won 57% of the vote (that's better than the December MPIC-ERA poll that showed Obama at 44/55 approval/disapproval in Michigan and 49/45 favorable/unfavorable).

Obama may have "gained" in the deep red states because he performed so poorly relative to his performance nationally but any gain that he makes in these states is irrelevant just as any loss in the deep blue states is irrelevant because he'll just win the deep blue states and lose the deep red states regardless of any modest gain.

Where I think he's really struggling is in the swing states (though Rasmussen does show Obama faring better in Virginia than either PPP or SurveyUSA).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on December 30, 2009, 04:49:10 AM
The best way to explain the South Carolina polling from Ras and PPP is to look at when they were conducted.  They were conducted right after his afgahnistan speech, which might have boosted his numbers among Republicans/conservatives temporarily before reality set in and we started hating him again.

The PPP showed him receiving 17% approval from Republicans nationally, which is a lot higher than where he is with Republicans in PPP's national polling and in PPP's polling of other non-Northeastern states.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 30, 2009, 11:23:29 AM
The best way to explain the South Carolina polling from Ras and PPP is to look at when they were conducted.  They were conducted right after his afgahnistan speech, which might have boosted his numbers among Republicans/conservatives temporarily before reality set in and we started hating him again.


"Started hating him again"? That reeks of projection.

There are two other possible explanations. One is that the Governor had gone to Argentina for some tango lessons, and that any scandal hurts a political party. Another is that although  President Obama's low polls correspond with the drawn-out debate on health care, South Carolina's two Senators are well-defined right-wing Republicans, as are most of its Representatives. But South Carolina is also one of the poorer states in America, and it does very badly in measures of public health. Paradoxically, reform of health care would help the poor in a state like South Carolina much more than it offends right-wing sensibilities.

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The PPP showed him receiving 17% approval from Republicans nationally, which is a lot higher than where he is with Republicans in PPP's national polling and in PPP's polling of other non-Northeastern states.

The Atlantic South is much less conservative than the non-Atlantic South.  Maybe that's because it is more urban; counties that include Little Rock, Memphis, Nashville, Birmingham, Jackson (Mississippi) and New Orleans voted heavily for Obama. Georgia was one of Obama's closer losses, and it has the giant Atlanta metro area. North Carolina was a bare win, and it has the giant Charlotte metro area and the I-40 urban corridor. Obama has the pulse of urban and suburban America (Suburbia has genuine urban problems now, and the GOP has nothing to offer suburbanites but "tax cuts" which may be the least of one's concerns when one is in a traffic jam or if one thinks one's kids' education needs a boost if the kids are to grow up middle-class).  South Carolina has no giant metro areas like Charlotte, Atlanta, Orlando, or Miami, but it does have several middling cities.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 30, 2009, 03:12:42 PM
Nebraska(Rasmussen)

Approve 38%
Disapprove 61%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2012/nebraska/toplines/toplines_2012_nebraska_senate_election_december_28_2009

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We finally get a Nebraska poll and it's no surprise.


Maryland that bad too?

Huh? Maryland is dark green.

On my monitor, it looks like Utah!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on December 30, 2009, 03:26:32 PM
Its nice to see after a solid year of bitchin and moanin about Pbrowers maps that someone finally actually stepped up and did one of their own instead of continuing to just complain.

Now the farce has been exposed. With Pbrower's rampant bias removed and replaced with other posters biases we see the map has radically flipped....Colorado which Pbrower himself switched after a delay of nearly <gasp) 48 hours.

Great job!

The Free Market at its finest.

What has it got to do with the "market" anyway?

Oh my, it seems as though you couldn't read the post I quoted.  You might need to get your monitor checked out.

Rob gives a nice, terse explanation that you should find satisfactory.  I mean, it's not as though your recent conversion was half-hearted or anything, right?

I'm an atheist. I have no heart.

Religion isn't what you claimed to have converted to.

Political ideologies are religions, more or less.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 31, 2009, 12:12:47 PM
New Hampshire(ARG)

Approve 39%
Disapprove 47%

http://americanresearchgroup.com/nhpoll/nhp04.html


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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 31, 2009, 12:15:29 PM
ARG is currently down:

Forbidden

You don't have permission to access / on this server.

Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Beet on December 31, 2009, 12:25:55 PM
Are we preferring voters over the total sample? Total sample was approve 40, disapprove 44, likely voters was 39-47.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 31, 2009, 12:26:53 PM
Are we preferring likely voters over the total sample? Total sample was approve 40, disapprove 44, likely voters was 39-47. It's hard to tell how meaningful 'likely voters' is 10 months out, IMO.

It's registered voters. The total sample was 600 adults, broken down to 566 registered voters.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Beet on December 31, 2009, 12:28:18 PM
Are we preferring likely voters over the total sample? Total sample was approve 40, disapprove 44, likely voters was 39-47. It's hard to tell how meaningful 'likely voters' is 10 months out, IMO.

It's registered voters. The total sample was 600 adults, broken down to 566 registered voters.

Yes, I just corrected my post.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 31, 2009, 12:35:09 PM
It seems that only Americans can access ARG atm.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on December 31, 2009, 01:58:18 PM
It seems that only Americans can access ARG atm.

I confirm

ARG doesn't like foreigners... racist !


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on December 31, 2009, 02:02:45 PM
I'm pretty shocked he's netting a negative in New Hampshire, but I'll take it


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on December 31, 2009, 02:24:09 PM
I'm pretty shocked he's netting a negative in New Hampshire, but I'll take it

Call me a hack, but I think that's probably an outlier. I'd prefer to see some more companies poll NH. :/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 31, 2009, 02:41:40 PM
Probable outlier in New Hampshire.

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I'm still showing it, but with "S" as in "suspect". It almost looks like an inversion.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on December 31, 2009, 03:00:23 PM
ARG = joke. Everyone seems to have forgot their wretched track record.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on December 31, 2009, 03:06:25 PM
ARG = joke. Everyone seems to have forgot their wretched track record.

Actually they weren't that bad in 2008. Better than the RAS even:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on December 31, 2009, 03:13:05 PM
ARG = joke. Everyone seems to have forgot their wretched track record.

Actually they weren't that bad in 2008. Better than the RAS even:

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That's because in the last month or two they suddenly started putting out super-average results (like, always the middle of the release pack) and, surprise surprise, that's where they ended.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on December 31, 2009, 04:45:55 PM
ARG = joke. Everyone seems to have forgot their wretched track record.

Actually they weren't that bad in 2008. Better than the RAS even:

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That's because in the last month or two they suddenly started putting out super-average results (like, always the middle of the release pack) and, surprise surprise, that's where they ended.

Correct. They are a shady crew.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 31, 2009, 06:05:58 PM
New Hampshire will have a US Senate seat under contest in November, so there will be more polls in 2010. Count on it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on December 31, 2009, 07:30:42 PM
Ahhh good point pbrower, the Hodes vs. Ayotte will probably go down to the wire, and just depend on whether things are going well for team red or team blue.

That's another benefit of midterm elections, we'll get polls in other battlegrounds with senate elections such as Missouri, Ohio, Florida, and others.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 01, 2010, 01:52:45 AM
ARG = joke. Everyone seems to have forgot their wretched track record.

Actually they weren't that bad in 2008. Better than the RAS even:

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That's because in the last month or two they suddenly started putting out super-average results (like, always the middle of the release pack) and, surprise surprise, that's where they ended.

Yes -- and anyone could do that with the aid of a simple calculator. Find the mean between several polls and you won't do badly. One won't achieve much, though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on January 01, 2010, 08:48:38 AM
Out of all the New England states, NH is the most likely to disapprove.

With Ohio, Michigan, and Iowa being where they are, it it really shocking that NH might not like him.

You cannot call it an outlier, until more evidence arrives, meaning at least two more legit pollsters.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 01, 2010, 09:46:11 AM
Out of all the New England states, NH is the most likely to disapprove.

With Ohio, Michigan, and Iowa being where they are, it it really shocking that NH might not like him.

You cannot call it an outlier, until more evidence arrives, meaning at least two more legit pollsters.

No way does New Hampshire vote like Kansas.

One Rasmussen poll would be enough. The language of the NH poll was so shabby that the result was nearly void of meaning. "Voters"? Which voters? Do they mean "likely voters"? "Voters in judicial races"? "Voters in schoolboard races"?

Outliers happen, and most of them are honest mistakes. I'm treating the NH poll as suspect -- not as an automatic reject.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on January 01, 2010, 10:05:39 AM
Outliers happen, and most of them are honest mistakes. I'm treating the NH poll as suspect -- not as an automatic reject.

Honest mistakes? Outliers needn't be mistakes.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 01, 2010, 12:26:36 PM
Outliers happen, and most of them are honest mistakes. I'm treating the NH poll as suspect -- not as an automatic reject.

Honest mistakes? Outliers needn't be mistakes.

ARG has offered few state polls, and that one stinks. One will be enough to refute it. I would never have disputed a  48/52.

Let us remember that some of the voters in the 2012 election are now only 15 years old. ARG's language in offering its poll is, one must recognize, shabby.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on January 01, 2010, 12:28:30 PM
ARG = trash. I would be as quick to dismiss this poll as one showing him breaking even in Tennessee.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on January 01, 2010, 02:04:44 PM
One poll cannot dispute it. How do you know that other poll wouldn't be an outlier?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 01, 2010, 03:31:28 PM
One poll cannot dispute it. How do you know that other poll wouldn't be an outlier?

Do you expect that poll to refute a string of polls in New Hampshire which have had him near or above 50% approval? That's why I consider it an outlier.  

Look at the difference between SurveyUSA polls between November and December. The November polls had Washington and Oregon tied [???], Missouri and Virginia as R-leaning as Alabama [???]; December polls approached more normal results.

New Hampshire may be the most conservative-leaning state in New England, but it isn't Arkansas, and it isn't even North Dakota. It's more like Pennsylvania.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 01, 2010, 03:41:21 PM
This is a map of December polls only.  I am starting with December because the December map contains at four states (Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Utah) that rarely get polled.

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Colorado and Florida are averages. Louisiana is excellent-good-fair-poor.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 70% Yellow (90% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
51-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval). Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009.

No push polls or polls from a political party or special interest (ethnic advocacy, union, business advocacy [Chamber of Commerce, National Association of Manufacturers, etc.; business journals are OK] gun-rights, pro-life or pro-choice, gay rights, religious group [Christian Science Monitor OK if it should appear with a poll], advocates of specific legislation) should be accepted). College polls are OK.



I'm going to add back Maryland and Montana polls from November. They are the only exceptions; the two states rarely get polled, and other November polls are likely to get replaced anyway (example: Iowa).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on January 01, 2010, 03:46:25 PM

New Hampshire is similar to Pennsylvania???


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on January 01, 2010, 04:03:53 PM

No, but it doesn't matter to him.

When was the last NH poll?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 01, 2010, 04:57:34 PM

Certainly it's more like Pennsylvania in its voting than like Kansas. Since 1992 it has voted only once for the Republican nominee for President. (Maybe had Joe Lieberman campaigned in New Hampshire instead of Florida we would have never had you-know-who as President)!

The ARG poll in New Hampshire looks absurd. I have an "S" over New Hampshire... and you are welcome to interpret the "S" as standing for any of the following words:

suspect
suspicious
spurious
silly

I usually average polls within the same month -- but I promptly replace anything with an "S" on it. I look forward to putting a green shade on New Hampshire shortly.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: GOP732 on January 02, 2010, 01:34:19 PM
I look forward to putting a green shade on New Hampshire shortly.

Good God pbrower...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 02, 2010, 02:31:48 PM
I look forward to putting a green shade on New Hampshire shortly.

Good God pbrower...

That is a simple prediction. I have set myself up to be proved or disproved.

What is so terrible about the prospect that President Obama could have met his low point in popularity during the debate on health care? The legislative process was a mess, and it didn't look good for republicans any more than it did for Democrats. The Democrats have a victory, one entirely their own. Success looks better than failure.

This is an election year, and there will be plenty of polls on states that have gubernatorial races and Senate races.  New Hampshire has a senate race.

Add to that, we seem now to be edging our way out of the consequences of the worst financial panic since the Great Depression. We now seem to be in a genuine mode of economic growth -- yes, a recovery is economic growth.

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on January 02, 2010, 03:25:06 PM
Obama's December Approval rating (Gallup):

50% approve

43% disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter 57/27 (December 1977)

Reagan 49/41 (December 1981)

Bush I 71/20 (December 1989)

Clinton 53/39 (December 1993)

Bush II 86/11 (December 2001)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Magic 8-Ball on January 02, 2010, 05:22:57 PM

Certainly it's more like Pennsylvania in its voting than like Kansas. Since 1992 it has voted only once for the Republican nominee for President. (Maybe had Joe Lieberman campaigned in New Hampshire instead of Florida we would have never had you-know-who as President)!

If you simply must compare New Hampshire to another state, Colorado is probably your best bet.


Pennsylvania...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on January 02, 2010, 08:00:20 PM
New polls today:

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Obama is slipping some -- probably because he is out of the country.



Expect to see more yellow on that map within 6 to 12 months.

Sure....


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on January 02, 2010, 10:01:03 PM

No, but it doesn't matter to him.

When was the last NH poll?

In one sense: Their 2008 results were nearly identical.

https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/
https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/

And considering NH may be the only state outside AZ to have a decided pro-McCain (vs. pro-GOP) bias, Pbrower might actually have a point here.

Nah, what am I saying? Everybody knows he's just a hack.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 03, 2010, 12:53:15 AM
Obama's December Approval rating (Gallup):

50% approve

43% disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter 57/27 (December 1977)

Reagan 49/41 (December 1981)

Bush I 71/20 (December 1989)

Clinton 53/39 (December 1993)

Bush II 86/11 (December 2001)


With that sort of approval rating  (50/43) nationwide, I would expect to see much more green on my most recent map -- if Gallup is right.  Obviously I wouldn't expect so much with the July map that now looks ridiculous (that likely showed a 65% approval rating, and Obama had made no huge, controversial decisions yet). That map seemed to reflect reality in July -- a reality that few thought sustainable. 

It's low by the standards of other Presidents beginning with Jimmy Carter... but the ones with low ratings eleven months after inauguration (Reagan and Clinton) won re-election decisively three years later.  Could it be that expectations were lower with Reagan and Clinton than with Carter or Bush I?  Dubya is of course an extreme case.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on January 03, 2010, 04:06:00 AM
Bush I's approvals may have been inflated by the fall of the Berlin Wall.


Title: Michigan Obama Approval Rating
Post by: alexg on January 03, 2010, 04:04:41 PM
In Michigan Obama Approval Rating
55% Disapprove
44% Approve


Title: Re: Michigan Obama Approval Rating
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on January 03, 2010, 04:09:27 PM
In Michigan Obama Approval Rating
55% Disapprove
44% Approve

Do you have a source?

Also, welcome to the forum :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on January 03, 2010, 04:30:46 PM
Obama now has net negative approval on the pollster.com average.


Title: Re: Michigan Obama Approval Rating
Post by: ConservativeIllini on January 03, 2010, 05:19:56 PM
In Michigan Obama Approval Rating
55% Disapprove
44% Approve

Do you have a source?

Also, welcome to the forum :)

With numbers like that, it's probably a Rasmussen, Zogby or something.  I just have a hard time believing -11 in Michigan...


Title: Re: Michigan Obama Approval Rating
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on January 03, 2010, 05:39:09 PM
In Michigan Obama Approval Rating
55% Disapprove
44% Approve

Do you have a source?

Also, welcome to the forum :)

With numbers like that, it's probably a Rasmussen, Zogby or something.  I just have a hard time believing -11 in Michigan...

EPIC-MRI - a local Michigan poling company out of Lansing - I find them to be pretty accurate for election polling.  Not sure about approval rating polls though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on January 03, 2010, 05:40:43 PM
Found a source:
http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2009/dec/17/news/chi-ap-mi-obama-granholmpol (http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2009/dec/17/news/chi-ap-mi-obama-granholmpol)

Pretty old poll...


Title: Re: Michigan Obama Approval Rating
Post by: ConservativeIllini on January 03, 2010, 05:42:40 PM
In Michigan Obama Approval Rating
55% Disapprove
44% Approve

Do you have a source?

Also, welcome to the forum :)

With numbers like that, it's probably a Rasmussen, Zogby or something.  I just have a hard time believing -11 in Michigan...

EPIC-MRI - a local Michigan poling company out of Lansing - I find them to be pretty accurate for election polling.  Not sure about approval rating polls though.

Ah, alright, thanks for the reference.  I've personally never heard of that polling agency.


Title: Re: Michigan Obama Approval Rating
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on January 03, 2010, 05:43:41 PM
In Michigan Obama Approval Rating
55% Disapprove
44% Approve

Do you have a source?

Also, welcome to the forum :)

With numbers like that, it's probably a Rasmussen, Zogby or something.  I just have a hard time believing -11 in Michigan...

EPIC-MRI - a local Michigan poling company out of Lansing - I find them to be pretty accurate for election polling.  Not sure about approval rating polls though.

Ah, alright, thanks for the reference.  I've personally never heard of that polling agency.

They only do Michigan polls, but they're the main Michigan polling company (at least non-partisan company, that is).


Title: Re: Michigan Obama Approval Rating
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on January 03, 2010, 05:46:43 PM
In Michigan Obama Approval Rating
55% Disapprove
44% Approve

Do you have a source?

Also, welcome to the forum :)

With numbers like that, it's probably a Rasmussen, Zogby or something.  I just have a hard time believing -11 in Michigan...

EPIC-MRI - a local Michigan poling company out of Lansing - I find them to be pretty accurate for election polling.  Not sure about approval rating polls though.

Ah, alright, thanks for the reference.  I've personally never heard of that polling agency.

They only do Michigan polls, but they're the main Michigan polling company (at least non-partisan company, that is).

I remember them from both 2006 and the 2008 Republican primaries.



Title: Re: Michigan Obama Approval Rating
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on January 03, 2010, 05:48:28 PM
In Michigan Obama Approval Rating
55% Disapprove
44% Approve

Do you have a source?

Also, welcome to the forum :)

With numbers like that, it's probably a Rasmussen, Zogby or something.  I just have a hard time believing -11 in Michigan...

EPIC-MRI - a local Michigan poling company out of Lansing - I find them to be pretty accurate for election polling.  Not sure about approval rating polls though.

Ah, alright, thanks for the reference.  I've personally never heard of that polling agency.

They only do Michigan polls, but they're the main Michigan polling company (at least non-partisan company, that is).

I remember them from both 2006 and the 2008 Republican primaries.



2006 primary for what?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on January 03, 2010, 06:03:10 PM
Obama approval average for 2009 (gallup):

58% approve

34% disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 62/20 (1977)

Reagan: 57/28 (1981)

Bush I: 64/17 (1989)

Clinton: 49/41 (1993)

Bush II 56/31 (2001, before 9/11)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on January 03, 2010, 06:16:05 PM
The Michigan poll is probably an outlier, but Obama probably has net negatives there.


Title: Re: Michigan Obama Approval Rating
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on January 03, 2010, 06:32:14 PM
In Michigan Obama Approval Rating
55% Disapprove
44% Approve

Do you have a source?

Also, welcome to the forum :)

With numbers like that, it's probably a Rasmussen, Zogby or something.  I just have a hard time believing -11 in Michigan...

EPIC-MRI - a local Michigan poling company out of Lansing - I find them to be pretty accurate for election polling.  Not sure about approval rating polls though.

Ah, alright, thanks for the reference.  I've personally never heard of that polling agency.

They only do Michigan polls, but they're the main Michigan polling company (at least non-partisan company, that is).

I remember them from both 2006 and the 2008 Republican primaries.



2006 primary for what?

2006 midterms and the 2008 Republican Primaries.


That better?


Title: Re: Michigan Obama Approval Rating
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on January 03, 2010, 06:40:20 PM
In Michigan Obama Approval Rating
55% Disapprove
44% Approve

Do you have a source?

Also, welcome to the forum :)

With numbers like that, it's probably a Rasmussen, Zogby or something.  I just have a hard time believing -11 in Michigan...

EPIC-MRI - a local Michigan poling company out of Lansing - I find them to be pretty accurate for election polling.  Not sure about approval rating polls though.

Ah, alright, thanks for the reference.  I've personally never heard of that polling agency.

They only do Michigan polls, but they're the main Michigan polling company (at least non-partisan company, that is).

I remember them from both 2006 and the 2008 Republican primaries.

     Yeah I remember them too. They only poll one state, but they seem to be fairly prolific nevertheless.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 05, 2010, 09:47:33 AM
Massachusetts (Rasmussen):

57% Approve
42% Disapprove

(Gov. Deval Patrick)

41% Approve
57% Disapprove

This telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Massachusetts was conducted by Rasmussen Reports January 4, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/massachusetts/toplines/toplines_massachusetts_special_election_january_4_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 05, 2010, 09:54:57 AM
On the national level, Rasmussen now has him at:

49% Approve
51% Disapprove

His best rating since early December.

Don't know if the 5-point-increase has more to do with the holidays (people are more relaxed about politicians) or with the fact that Rasmussen was hammered in the news and now he`s "upping" the numbers to make them more in line with other polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 05, 2010, 10:08:44 AM
Massachusetts. First poll of 2010 (letter A) :

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Colorado and Florida are averages. Louisiana is excellent-good-fair-poor.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 70% Yellow (90% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
51-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval). Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Maryland and Montana (November), which rarely get polled.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 05, 2010, 10:43:04 AM
Updated with Massachusetts.


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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: GLPman on January 05, 2010, 12:30:31 PM

Keep up the good work


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 05, 2010, 02:24:55 PM
On the national level, Rasmussen now has him at:

49% Approve
51% Disapprove

His best rating since early December.

Don't know if the 5-point-increase has more to do with the holidays (people are more relaxed about politicians) or with the fact that Rasmussen was hammered in the news and now he`s "upping" the numbers to make them more in line with other polls.

Or, it is a band sample size.  I think some of those numbers, like the 56% disapproval were just a bad sample (which is the reason I didn't mention it).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on January 05, 2010, 07:51:11 PM


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on January 05, 2010, 07:52:44 PM


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on January 05, 2010, 07:53:54 PM
Personally, I used Pollster for polling. It actually has him at net-disapprove, somehow.

But, all Democrats should follow Rasmussen and all Republicans should follow Gallup.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on January 06, 2010, 12:36:41 PM
Connecticut - 54-38

PPP - http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_CT_106925424.pdf (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_CT_106925424.pdf)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 06, 2010, 12:50:08 PM
Connecticut gets a little lighter.


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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 06, 2010, 01:46:56 PM
AR(Rasmussen)

Approve 38%
Disapprove 61%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arkansas/toplines/toplines_2010_arkansas_senate_race_january_5_2010

No change to the color, just the date.


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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on January 06, 2010, 03:11:47 PM
I would like to see new NJ (I know I'm being a little greedy), WI, and NM polls.

IN and AZ, too.

I find the NC and VA situation rather interesting. If one was off, I would guess NC, because of the following: OH, MI, PA, WI, IA. I would not expect these states to all be so negative with NC being lukewarm. Same thing with AZ.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 06, 2010, 05:35:02 PM
I would like to see new NJ (I know I'm being a little greedy), WI, and NM polls.

IN and AZ, too.

I find the NC and VA situation rather interesting. If one was off, I would guess NC, because of the following: OH, MI, PA, WI, IA. I would not expect these states to all be so negative with NC being lukewarm. Same thing with AZ.

Obama seems to be doing unusually well in Louisiana and South Carolina; if those hold, then any Republican nominee will be in deep trouble.

I'd also like to see Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee as well. How about West Virginia?

Virginia negative for Obama and North Carolina positive? It could be a honeymoon for newly-elected GOP politicians in Virginia. Look how long Obama was sailing along with 60% approval ratings.

The screwy New Hampshire poll begs for a replacement.

I have just added another adjective for which "S" can apply -- "screwy".  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 07, 2010, 12:07:54 PM
Colorado(Rasmussen)

Approve 45%
Disapprove 54%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/colorado/toplines/toplines_2010_colorado_governor_race_january_6_2010

Colorado becomes a little lighter. Slight improvement from the previous poll there.


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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 07, 2010, 01:16:23 PM
Connecticut(Rasmussen)

Approve 56%
Disapprove 43%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/connecticut/toplines/toplines_election_2010_connecticut_senate_election_january_6_2010

Connecticut gets a little darker. The previous poll(PPP) had him at 54%.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 07, 2010, 03:12:21 PM



Small state, but lots of electoral votes for its minuscule area (Connecticut). Arkansas and Colorado updated with no real change:


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Senator Chris Dodd announced his impending retirement, so apparently an iffy Democratic Senate seat becomes less vulnerable in 2010.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 08, 2010, 01:35:26 AM
Daily Kos/Research 2K

Favorable/Unfavorable

Obama 40/55

Obama won almost 45% of the vote there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 08, 2010, 01:36:23 AM
Here's the link to the North Dakota poll:

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2010/1/6/ND/421


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on January 08, 2010, 09:41:54 AM
Connecticut(Rasmussen)

Approve 56%
Disapprove 43%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/connecticut/toplines/toplines_election_2010_connecticut_senate_election_january_6_2010

Connecticut gets a little darker. The previous poll(PPP) had him at 54%.

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PPP agrees with Rasmussen. A proof that ras is good.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 08, 2010, 10:31:29 AM
Kentucky(Rasmussen)

Approve 41%
Disapprove 59%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/kentucky/election_2010_kentucky_senate

Kentucky gets a little lighter. Improvement from the SUSA poll.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 08, 2010, 12:03:10 PM
A state which Obama is unlikely to win (Kentucky) unless in a 450+ EV blowout show marginal improvements for approval; Connecticut shows an average and a marginal improvement. In no case does the color change mean much:

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The decline in approval ratings for President Obama seems to have abated.

North Dakota had a "favorability" poll which does not count.

Does anyone still think the most recent New Hampshire poll anything other than "suspect, spurious, strange, or screwy"?  

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 08, 2010, 12:05:59 PM
Just an FYI for everyone, I'm not putting the ND one on my map because it measures favorability and not approval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on January 08, 2010, 02:36:16 PM
Just an FYI for everyone, I'm not putting the ND one on my map because it measures favorability and not approval.

Good judgement. Favourability ≠ Approval


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: GLPman on January 08, 2010, 02:44:25 PM
Just an FYI for everyone, I'm not putting the ND one on my map because it measures favorability and not approval.

Good judgement. Favourability ≠ Approval


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on January 08, 2010, 04:12:54 PM
Favorability should never be included in a map measuring approval. There shouldn't even be a debate about this.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 09, 2010, 01:22:07 PM
What?  Obama's approval rating is lower than his favorable rating, so his favorable rating is probably giving Obama the best case scenario.  His approval rating is likely 1-2 points lower.

In any event, Mason-Dixon shows his favorable rating in Nevada to be at 34/46.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on January 09, 2010, 01:30:20 PM
In any event, Mason-Dixon shows his favorable rating in Nevada to be at 34/46.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/reid-hits-new-low-in-poll-81060702.html

^That's the poll he pulled those numbers from, though I normally don't agree with using favorables and approvals interchangeably.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on January 09, 2010, 01:46:15 PM
Kentucky(Rasmussen)

Approve 41%
Disapprove 59%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/kentucky/election_2010_kentucky_senate

Kentucky gets a little lighter. Improvement from the SUSA poll.

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Huh, looks sort of like 2004, no?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 09, 2010, 02:36:03 PM
In any event, Obama is in horrible shape in Nevada if the Mason-Dixon numbers are correct unless you believe his approval rating is higher than his favorable rating in the state.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 09, 2010, 08:56:34 PM
In any event, Mason-Dixon shows his favorable rating in Nevada to be at 34/46.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/reid-hits-new-low-in-poll-81060702.html

^That's the poll he pulled those numbers from, though I normally don't agree with using favorables and approvals interchangeably.

I'm tempted to reject any poll that has more than 10% undecided, whether favorability or approval, unless other polls are similar. 34+46 = 80.  Think about it: 46% disapproval is a very good position if there are few undecided.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 09, 2010, 10:21:48 PM

2000 and 2004 looked much alike, with only three states switching (IA, NH, NM) and lots of questions on one state with a large number of electoral votes seeming to make the difference.  Paradoxically, Gore would have won election in 2000 had he won New Hampshire, but that would not have been good enough in 2004 due to the reapportionment of electoral votes.

What we saw in 2000 and 2004 was the solidity of the Blue Firewall, but Democratic nominees unable to win outside of it. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 09, 2010, 11:35:56 PM
Pbrower, 46% unfavorables with 20% undecided is not good news.  80% of the undecideds would have to view him favorably for him to break even.

However, I'll grant you that it's likely that the undecideds overwhelminly have a favorable opinion of him, probably by a 2-to-1 margin and that gets you to around a 47/52 favorable/unfavorable in a state where he won 55% of the vote.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 10, 2010, 06:28:00 AM
Oklahoma (Tulsa World/Sooner Poll):

36% Approve
58% Disapprove

The approval rating for President Barack Obama, on the other hand, stood at 36 percent, 2 points lower than for George W. Bush just ahead of the 2008 election and the lowest for a U.S. chief executive since the Oklahoma Poll began gathering approval ratings in 1993.

A majority of Democrats remained loyal to Obama, but Republicans opposed him by a margin of 8-to-1. Similarly, Obama enjoyed considerable support from liberals and even moderates while 80 percent of conservatives rated him unfavorably.

(Gov. Henry)

67% Approve
23% Disapprove

(Sen. Inhofe)

61% Approve
29% Disapprove

(Sen. Coburn)

65% Approve
26% Disapprove

SoonerPoll.com conducted the scientific telephone survey Jan. 2-5 of 621 likely voters registered in the state. The poll includes 325 Democrats, 267 republicans, 28 independents and one Libertarian.

The margin of error is plus or minus 3.93 percentage points except on the questions concerning the primary elections. The poll is sponsored by the Tulsa World.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=12&articleid=20100110_16_A4_GovBra279379


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 10, 2010, 09:11:53 AM
Oklahoma (Tulsa World/Sooner Poll):

36% Approve
58% Disapprove


(Sen. Inhofe)

61% Approve
29% Disapprove

(Sen. Coburn)

65% Approve
26% Disapprove


Oklahoma is one of the most right-wing states in the US, as its two Senators exemplify. Both Imhofe and Coburn would be in political danger states appreciably more moderate (let us say Indiana, North Carolina, or North Dakota).

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Oklahoma Democrats strongly approve of the President, but that isn't enough. There just aren't enough Democrats to make Oklahoma competitive for a Democrat except under freakish circumstances.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on January 10, 2010, 09:18:12 AM
As far as I'm informed, there are more Democrats than Republicans in Oklahoma.

Pay attention to the approval margins among Democrats and Republicans, that's a lot more important.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 10, 2010, 10:32:05 AM
As far as I'm informed, there are more Democrats than Republicans in Oklahoma.

Pay attention to the approval margins among Democrats and Republicans, that's a lot more important.

I saw the sample sizes for people of different affiliations. One can create a valid poll out of a distorted sample if one norms the sample. If one gets 325 Democrats, 267 Republicans, 28 independents, and 1 libertarian the pollster might have decided after calling 250 Republicans who went 8-1 against Obama to quit calling Republicans because further calls would be superfluous. Does Oklahoma have that many Democrats or that few independents, or even so few libertarians? No way is Oklahoma so politically divided as to have 54.8% of its voters as registered Democrats. If I were guessing, I'd figure that 60% at the least of all Oklahoma voters are registered Republicans.

Maybe the pollster needs a larger sample size among Democrats to get a good feel for how Democrats approve and disapprove of Obama and then norms the statewide result on the lines of partisan affiliation of voters.  The state hasn't voted for the Democratic nominee for President since 1964, and got close only in 1976. The state last voted out a Democratic Senator in 1996.

Oklahoma voted  roughly 65-34 McCain over Obama, which is about how it voted in 2004, 60-40 Bush over Gore, 58-41 Bush over Dukakis (1992 and 1996 had a third-party candidate), Reagan 68-30 over Mondale and 60-34 over Carter...

So if 7% of Obama's 36% approval comes from Republicans (60% of the electorate, at the least), the other 29% comes from Democrats and independents.  That would mean that Obama would have about 72% approval among Democrats and independents in Oklahoma. Not great, but I suppose that Oklahoma Democrats are a conservative lot. Getting 72% approval from Democrats in such a state as Pennsylvania would not be enough to win there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on January 10, 2010, 10:39:38 AM
Incorrect, there are more registered Democrats than Republicans in Oklahoma.

http://www.ok.gov/~elections/reg_0109.pdf (http://www.ok.gov/~elections/reg_0109.pdf)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 10, 2010, 11:13:26 AM
As far as I'm informed, there are more Democrats than Republicans in Oklahoma.

Pay attention to the approval margins among Democrats and Republicans, that's a lot more important.

I saw the sample sizes for people of different affiliations. One can create a valid poll out of a distorted sample if one norms the sample. If one gets 325 Democrats, 267 Republicans, 28 independents, and 1 libertarian the pollster might have decided after calling 250 Republicans who went 8-1 against Obama to quit calling Republicans because further calls would be superfluous. Does Oklahoma have that many Democrats or that few independents, or even so few libertarians? No way is Oklahoma so politically divided as to have 54.8% of its voters as registered Democrats. If I were guessing, I'd figure that 60% at the least of all Oklahoma voters are registered Republicans.

Quit guessing and stick to facts. There are more Democrats than Republicans in Oklahoma.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on January 10, 2010, 11:31:13 AM
From yesterday's PPP MA-Senate poll:

Do you approve or disapprove of Barack
Obama’s job performance? If you approve,
press 1. If you disapprove, press 2. If you’re
not sure, press 3.
Approve .......................................................... 44%
Disapprove...................................................... 43%
Not Sure.......................................................... 13%

Do you support or oppose President Obama’s
health care plan, or do you not have an
opinion? If you support it, press 1. If you
oppose it, press 2. If you don’t have an opinion,
press 3.
Support ........................................................... 41%
Oppose ........................................................... 47%
No Opinion...................................................... 12%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_MA_45398436.pdf



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on January 10, 2010, 11:43:37 AM
From yesterday's PPP MA-Senate poll:

Do you approve or disapprove of Barack
Obama’s job performance? If you approve,
press 1. If you disapprove, press 2. If you’re
not sure, press 3.
Approve .......................................................... 44%
Disapprove...................................................... 43%
Not Sure.......................................................... 13%

That kind of calls into question the accuracy of the Senate poll :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 10, 2010, 11:55:20 AM
Oklahoma updated.

Not including the MA poll considering it's a special election with strange turnout.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on January 10, 2010, 12:05:07 PM
What will pbrower's comment about the party registration figures look like? Because they vote like Republicans they're de facto Republicans, and thus his estimate was correct?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on January 10, 2010, 12:54:48 PM
Don't know about party registratio but the final exit polling of some the late polls in 2008 like SurveyUSA had McCain winning +40% of OK Dems.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 10, 2010, 12:59:01 PM
Yeah, OK Dems are basically Republicans. Either they stay at home because they don`t want to vote for a black or liberal dude, or if they turn out and vote, about 40% of them defect to the GOP candidate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 10, 2010, 05:05:38 PM
As far as I'm informed, there are more Democrats than Republicans in Oklahoma.

Pay attention to the approval margins among Democrats and Republicans, that's a lot more important.

I saw the sample sizes for people of different affiliations. One can create a valid poll out of a distorted sample if one norms the sample. If one gets 325 Democrats, 267 Republicans, 28 independents, and 1 libertarian the pollster might have decided after calling 250 Republicans who went 8-1 against Obama to quit calling Republicans because further calls would be superfluous. Does Oklahoma have that many Democrats or that few independents, or even so few libertarians? No way is Oklahoma so politically divided as to have 54.8% of its voters as registered Democrats. If I were guessing, I'd figure that 60% at the least of all Oklahoma voters are registered Republicans.

Quit guessing and stick to facts. There are more Democrats than Republicans in Oklahoma.

They just don't vote like Democrats, and haven't voted like Democrats for a very long time!



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on January 10, 2010, 05:06:35 PM
As far as I'm informed, there are more Democrats than Republicans in Oklahoma.

Pay attention to the approval margins among Democrats and Republicans, that's a lot more important.

I saw the sample sizes for people of different affiliations. One can create a valid poll out of a distorted sample if one norms the sample. If one gets 325 Democrats, 267 Republicans, 28 independents, and 1 libertarian the pollster might have decided after calling 250 Republicans who went 8-1 against Obama to quit calling Republicans because further calls would be superfluous. Does Oklahoma have that many Democrats or that few independents, or even so few libertarians? No way is Oklahoma so politically divided as to have 54.8% of its voters as registered Democrats. If I were guessing, I'd figure that 60% at the least of all Oklahoma voters are registered Republicans.

Quit guessing and stick to facts. There are more Democrats than Republicans in Oklahoma.

They just don't vote like Democrats, and haven't voted like Democrats for a very long time!



Don't try to spin your way out. You claimed that 60% of voters in Oklahoma were registered Republicans. I proved that claim wrong.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 10, 2010, 05:09:42 PM
Oklahoma exit poll from 2008 indeed showed 41% Democrat, 44% Republican

In other words, Obama is probably doing mcuh worse than what the poll found.  He's probably closer to around 30% in approval in Oklahoma.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 10, 2010, 05:12:06 PM
http://blog.pos.org/2010/01/western-states-update-gop-back-on-top/

"President Obama’s job approval numbers have plummeted in the West. A majority of voters (53%) in Western states disapprove of the job he’s doing while 45% approve. Compare this to the 100-day mark in his term when Obama’s job approval in the West was 59% approve/33% disapprove."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 10, 2010, 06:01:30 PM

This map shows how states have voted from 1992-2008. Ignore letters.

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Key: Democratic wins 1992-2008

 Clinton twice, Gore, Kerry, and Obama
 Clinton twice, Gore or Kerry (but not both), and Obama or Obama by >10% (Nevada)
Clinton twice, Obama <10%
Ohio -- Clinton once, Obama
Clinton once, no other Democratic wins
Missouri (Clinton twice, Republicans other times, but Obama very close in 2008)
Clinton twice, Obama losing by more than 10%
Obama only

NO DEMOCRATIC WINS:

Obama within 10% in 2008
Obama defeated by more than 10% in 2008


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2000 and 2004 look much alike, and would have Obama winning only states shaded in deep blue and getting up to all of the four states in medium blue (Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, New Mexico). Such is short of an Obama win. Such results would have Obama winning 240-261 electoral votes, and of course losing. If Nevada really belongs to the Blue Firewall because it went for him by more than 10%, then Obama still ends up with about 261 electoral votes and a close loss. Obama will practically flood Nevada with campaign workers from California, and we saw how that works.

For Obama to lose anything in the dark blue category, he would have to have so catastrophic a Presidency that people would vote often enough against a 16-year pattern that he would be losing big -- really big.  

It's easy to figure what a bare Obama win looks like -- add anything (but only one) with a pastel color except for the odd district in Nebraska that likewise is unlikely to make a difference. I have left a dark shade of orange for Montana because it is unlikely to make a difference.  If Obama loses Nevada (if the state was a fluke in 2008) then he either needs two states in pastel shades if not Ohio or Florida.   Those states are Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Missouri, North Carolina, and Virginia, states all likely to have 10 or more electoral votes in 2012. All were either Obama wins, were close, or would have been close in 2008 except that the Republican nominee was from the state.  Should he get everything in the pastel shades, then he has a near-400 EV win.

States in medium red (and NE-01) would be difficult, as they would require at least 4.5% shifts in the vote from 2008 to be possible. States in deep red or deep green are likely out of reach except in a severe landslide. The easiest of those states to get in deep red or green, tellingly, would be Texas.    

It's a long time until November 2012.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 10, 2010, 06:27:26 PM

Don't try to spin your way out. You claimed that 60% of voters in Oklahoma were registered Republicans. I proved that claim wrong.

I was wrong. Oklahoma only votes as if a majority of voters of the voters are registered Republicans. There may be no reason for self-identified Democrats in Oklahoma who vote as Republicans re-registering as Republicans. I don't know the details -- open primaries?

Take a look at the Oklahoma Senate races of 1990 and 1994. David Boren, a conservative Democrat, won in a landslide in 1990 (83-16); he resigned in 1994 to become President of the University of Oklahoma, and James Inhofe won the seat in 1994 in a special election.  Boren has been the only Democratic Senator from Oklahoma since 1977.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on January 10, 2010, 06:28:58 PM
I was wrong. Oklahoma only votes as if a majority of voters of the voters are registered Republicans. There may be no reason for self-identified Democrats in Oklahoma who vote as Republicans re-registering as Republicans. I don't know the details -- open primaries?

Actually, Oklahoma has closed primaries. :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 10, 2010, 06:57:43 PM
http://blog.pos.org/2010/01/western-states-update-gop-back-on-top/

"President Obama’s job approval numbers have plummeted in the West. A majority of voters (53%) in Western states disapprove of the job he’s doing while 45% approve. Compare this to the 100-day mark in his term when Obama’s job approval in the West was 59% approve/33% disapprove."

States mentioned:

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NOTE: For the purposes of this analysis, we have not included California in the group of Western states. Western states include: AZ, CO, ID, NV, NM, ND, OR, SD, UT, WY, WA.

Obama’s numbers in the West are worse than they are nationally – 47% approve/46% disapprove. The seeds of discontent are running deep in the West.

Idaho, Utah, and Wyoming were three of Obama's "worst" states.

With those stats, Obama would barely win in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on January 10, 2010, 08:34:30 PM
http://blog.pos.org/2010/01/western-states-update-gop-back-on-top/

"President Obama’s job approval numbers have plummeted in the West. A majority of voters (53%) in Western states disapprove of the job he’s doing while 45% approve. Compare this to the 100-day mark in his term when Obama’s job approval in the West was 59% approve/33% disapprove."

States mentioned:

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NOTE: For the purposes of this analysis, we have not included California in the group of Western states. Western states include: AZ, CO, ID, NV, NM, ND, OR, SD, UT, WY, WA.

Obama’s numbers in the West are worse than they are nationally – 47% approve/46% disapprove. The seeds of discontent are running deep in the West.

What a way to sensationalise a headline. :S

Of course Obama's Western approvals will drop if you take out Cali, one of the most Dem states in the country which also happens to be the biggest state in the country/region. That's like saying "Oh, let's look at Obama's approvals in the North-East, but let's ignore New York".


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on January 10, 2010, 08:40:03 PM
http://blog.pos.org/2010/01/western-states-update-gop-back-on-top/

"President Obama’s job approval numbers have plummeted in the West. A majority of voters (53%) in Western states disapprove of the job he’s doing while 45% approve. Compare this to the 100-day mark in his term when Obama’s job approval in the West was 59% approve/33% disapprove."

States mentioned:

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NOTE: For the purposes of this analysis, we have not included California in the group of Western states. Western states include: AZ, CO, ID, NV, NM, ND, OR, SD, UT, WY, WA.

Obama’s numbers in the West are worse than they are nationally – 47% approve/46% disapprove. The seeds of discontent are running deep in the West.

What a way to sensationalise a headline. :S

Of course Obama's Western approvals will drop if you take out Cali, one of the most Dem states in the country which also happens to be the biggest state in the country/region. That's like saying "Oh, let's look at Obama's approvals in the North-East, but let's ignore New York".

California is a given, many of the other states were thought to be trending Democrat. Besides, when you refer to the west, most people won't think of California.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 11, 2010, 06:51:55 PM
Obama at 46/41 in the new CBS/NYT poll.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_obama_011110.pdf?tag=contentMain;contentBody


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2010, 01:12:25 PM
As far as I'm informed, there are more Democrats than Republicans in Oklahoma.

Pay attention to the approval margins among Democrats and Republicans, that's a lot more important.

I saw the sample sizes for people of different affiliations. One can create a valid poll out of a distorted sample if one norms the sample. If one gets 325 Democrats, 267 Republicans, 28 independents, and 1 libertarian the pollster might have decided after calling 250 Republicans who went 8-1 against Obama to quit calling Republicans because further calls would be superfluous. Does Oklahoma have that many Democrats or that few independents, or even so few libertarians? No way is Oklahoma so politically divided as to have 54.8% of its voters as registered Democrats. If I were guessing, I'd figure that 60% at the least of all Oklahoma voters are registered Republicans.

Quit guessing and stick to facts. There are more Democrats than Republicans in Oklahoma.

They just don't vote like Democrats, and haven't voted like Democrats for a very long time!



Don't try to spin your way out. You claimed that 60% of voters in Oklahoma were registered Republicans. I proved that claim wrong.

You were absolutely right on the first point; Pbrower's absolutely right on the second.

You both win! Hooray!!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2010, 01:15:20 PM
http://blog.pos.org/2010/01/western-states-update-gop-back-on-top/

"President Obama’s job approval numbers have plummeted in the West. A majority of voters (53%) in Western states disapprove of the job he’s doing while 45% approve. Compare this to the 100-day mark in his term when Obama’s job approval in the West was 59% approve/33% disapprove."

States mentioned:

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NOTE: For the purposes of this analysis, we have not included California in the group of Western states. Western states include: AZ, CO, ID, NV, NM, ND, OR, SD, UT, WY, WA.

Obama’s numbers in the West are worse than they are nationally – 47% approve/46% disapprove. The seeds of discontent are running deep in the West.

What a way to sensationalise a headline. :S

Of course Obama's Western approvals will drop if you take out Cali, one of the most Dem states in the country which also happens to be the biggest state in the country/region. That's like saying "Oh, let's look at Obama's approvals in the North-East, but let's ignore New York".

California is a given, many of the other states were thought to be trending Democrat. Besides, when you refer to the west, most people won't think of California.

Did the %9% approval poll from the 100 day mark exclude California (or the rest of the states in the new poll)? If not, this is Drudge level hackery. If so, it's accurate. Case closed.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on January 12, 2010, 05:55:34 PM
A new Rass poll from MA has Obama at 57-41.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/massachusetts/toplines/toplines_massachusetts_special_senate_election_january_11_2010 (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/massachusetts/toplines/toplines_massachusetts_special_senate_election_january_11_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 12, 2010, 05:57:57 PM
I'm not including numbers from the special election in my map(though in this case, nothing would have changed anyway).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 12, 2010, 06:17:57 PM
I'm not including numbers from the special election in my map(though in this case, nothing would have changed anyway).

I think it was a question regarding Obama directly.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on January 12, 2010, 06:40:09 PM
I'm not including numbers from the special election in my map(though in this case, nothing would have changed anyway).

I think it was a question regarding Obama directly.

Isn't that still based on the "likely voters" in the special election?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 12, 2010, 11:40:55 PM
I'm not including numbers from the special election in my map(though in this case, nothing would have changed anyway).

I think it was a question regarding Obama directly.

Isn't that still based on the "likely voters" in the special election?

Exactly, which is why I'm not using it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on January 13, 2010, 12:48:50 AM
RCP:

Approve: 48.3%
Disapprove: 46.0%

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 13, 2010, 11:08:04 AM
Nevada(Rasmussen)

Approve 49%
Disapprove 50%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/nevada/toplines/toplines_2010_nevada_senate_january_11_2010

Color stays the same. Date gets updated.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on January 13, 2010, 11:34:26 AM
Nevada(Rasmussen)

Approve 49%
Disapprove 50%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/nevada/toplines/toplines_2010_nevada_senate_january_11_2010

Color stays the same. Date gets updated.

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Sort of a counter to the Mason/Dixon(?) favourability poll from a few days ago. Pretty good numbers considering the national number for Obama, considering it's Rasmussen.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 13, 2010, 11:58:49 AM
Virtual tie in approval in Nevada; better than either Senator (an odd situation):

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Obama would probably lose Nevada in 2010 (Senator Reid, D) and win in 2012 (Senator Ensign, R). I'll say this: if he can rescue Harry Reid (not likely) or some successor (more likely) in November he can win in 2012 in a landslide. That says more about Harry Reid than about President Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 13, 2010, 01:27:12 PM
New Hampshire(Rasmussen)

Approve 52%
Disapprove 47%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/new_hampshire/toplines/toplines_new_hampshire_senate_january_12_2010

New Hampshire goes green.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: segwaystyle2012 on January 13, 2010, 01:30:35 PM
Why aren't they polling Indiana? It was one of the closest states in 2008!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Inmate Trump on January 13, 2010, 04:57:26 PM

I'm the first to admit I'm not the brightest star in the sky but what does each color stand for on your map?

Just curious, thanks.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 13, 2010, 05:08:17 PM
I'm not including numbers from the special election in my map(though in this case, nothing would have changed anyway).

I think it was a question regarding Obama directly.

Isn't that still based on the "likely voters" in the special election?

I'm not sure.  They might factor those out later.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 13, 2010, 07:24:09 PM

I'm the first to admit I'm not the brightest star in the sky but what does each color stand for on your map?

Just curious, thanks.

Approval Ratings
30-39%- Dark Dark Red
40-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% but Approval is higher than Disapproval- Yellow
50-54%- Light Green
55-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 13, 2010, 07:25:43 PM
Idaho(Greg Smith)

Approve 35%
Disapprove 54%

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/omnibusresultsotterobama122009.pdf

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on January 13, 2010, 07:38:00 PM
I guess that's good for us so we can wipe off a gray state on the map, but why is anyone polling Idaho right now? 

Must have some free time.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 13, 2010, 07:49:56 PM


December poll from Idaho:

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This pollster seems to confuse "approval" in the write-up with "favorability" in the numerical statistics...  35-54 favorability is right in the middle of the second-to-worst category for Obama support, so I will use it, as it isn't close enough to the "worst" category.  Obama isn't going to win Idaho except in a 530-EV landslide anyway. Idaho doesn't get polled often enough for me to cast this one away.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 13, 2010, 08:09:13 PM
The question asks for approval:

First, I’m going to name a few people you may have heard of. For each one, please tell me
how you rate their job approval – strong approve, somewhat approve, somewhat
disapprove, or very disapprove. If you haven’t heard of that person, please say so. The
first one is…



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 13, 2010, 08:17:56 PM
I guess that's good for us so we can wipe off a gray state on the map, but why is anyone polling Idaho right now? 

Must have some free time.

Practice for something more difficult, perhaps?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on January 13, 2010, 08:26:48 PM
More likely: Because it's an Idaho polling company who did a state survey and figured to gain some press for doing the Presidential too.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on January 13, 2010, 08:30:42 PM
That's far more sensible than my guess, thanks.  Didn't realize it's just an Idaho polling company.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 13, 2010, 08:59:24 PM
The question asks for approval:

First, I’m going to name a few people you may have heard of. For each one, please tell me
how you rate their job approval – strong approve, somewhat approve, somewhat
disapprove, or very disapprove. If you haven’t heard of that person, please say so. The
first one is…



OK, simply a sloppy write-up by the pollster. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 13, 2010, 09:50:19 PM


http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/01/12/rel1b.pdf


Interesting polling question  from CNN/Opinion Dynamics:

(6. Do you consider President Obama  too liberal, not liberal enough, or about right?)

Jan 8-10, 2010

Too liberal                    46%
About right                   42%
Not liberal enough       10%
No opinion                     2%

(My conclusion):

If he gets half the support from those who think him "not liberal enough" for lack of a viable alternative, then he would win. That would still be 52.8%- 47.2%, which isn't far from Election 2008.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sewer on January 13, 2010, 10:16:53 PM
lol too liberal


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 14, 2010, 01:49:03 AM
New SurveyUSA Oregon & Washington numbers:

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http://www.katu.com/news/local/81304817.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 14, 2010, 10:07:50 AM
Ohio (Rasmussen):

46% Approve
50% Disapprove

This national telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters was conducted by Rasmussen Reports January 12, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/ohio/toplines/toplines_2010_ohio_senate_race_january_12_2010

Connecticut (Quinnipiac University):

55% Approve
41% Disapprove

From January 8 - 12, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,430 Connecticut registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.6 percentage points. The survey includes 542 Democrats with a margin of error of +/- 4.2 percentage points and 378 Republicans with a margin of error of +/- 5 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1296.xml?ReleaseID=1412

Allstate/National Journal Heartland Monitor:

47% Approve
45% Disapprove

If the election for President in 2012 were held today, would you …?

Vote to re-elect Obama: 39%
Vote for someone else: 50%

The poll, conducted by Financial Dynamics, surveyed 1,200 adults between Jan. 3-7 for a margin of error of +/- 2.8%.

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2010/01/majority_would.php


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 14, 2010, 10:20:34 AM
Oregon, Washington, Ohio, and Connecticut updated.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 14, 2010, 10:27:13 AM
Question to your map:

When Michigan was polled in December by EPIC and Rasmussen, they showed approval at 44-48% and disapproval at 50-56%, yet your map shows MI yellow.

When Rasmussen had NV at 49-50 yesterday it is red.

What is right now ? If you apply red for negative approval then MI must be colored red like NV.

I guess yellow is only for positive approval below 50% ?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 14, 2010, 10:36:50 AM
New Jersey (FDU):

48% Approve
41% Disapprove

The Fairleigh Dickinson University poll of 801 registered voters statewide was conducted by telephone from Jan. 4, 2010, through Jan. 10, 2010, and has a margin of error of +/- 3.5 percentage points.

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/skeptical2/final.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 14, 2010, 10:37:54 AM
Question to your map:

When Michigan was polled in December by EPIC and Rasmussen, they showed approval at 44-48% and disapproval at 50-56%, yet your map shows MI yellow.

When Rasmussen had NV at 49-50 yesterday it is red.

What is right now ? If you apply red for negative approval then MI must be colored red like NV.

I guess yellow is only for positive approval below 50% ?

Michigan appears to be a mistake on my part. It should be red, I don't know why it's yellow. The latest poll there was 48/50 and therefore should be red.

And yes, yellow is for positive approval but under 50%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 14, 2010, 10:39:18 AM
New Jersey added. Michigan fixed.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 14, 2010, 10:44:00 AM
I wonder when someone polls Indiana ...

It has potentially close Senate and House races this year and was close in 2008.

I´ve heard that robo-polling is forbidden in Indiana, but it must have come into law after the 2008 elections, because IN was polled by robo-pollsters Rasmussen, SUSA and PPP prior to the election.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 14, 2010, 11:29:30 AM
Nevada(PPP)

Approve 44%
Disapprove 52%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_Nev_114.pdf

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 14, 2010, 11:48:27 AM
Ohio, Oregon, New Jersey, Washington:

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46% approval is probably enough to win Ohio.

The recent Nevada poll averages out with another for no real change.

... New Hampshire begs for a fresh poll. No way can New Hampshire be as unsympathetic to Obama as is Idaho.


Unlike Rowan Brandon, who distinguishes between "under 50%" and "over 50%" I go for "approval under disapproval" (shades of yellow to dark brown), a tie (white), and "approval greater than disapproval" (shades of green). It's strictly a matter of taste, and I can't say that one is more relevant than the other at this point.

If there is a real difference it may be that his suggests the idea that if the GOP has a really-strong candidate in the wings, Obama loses in places in which his approval rating is below 50%. Mine suggests that the GOP lacks someone capable of offering an alternative, and that many disgruntled conservatives will find the choice between an uninspiring right-winger and an effective incumbent cause them to not vote.    


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 14, 2010, 11:49:54 AM
... New Hampshire begs for a fresh poll.

NH was polled by Rasmussen in the last few days. I think he had 53% approval there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 14, 2010, 11:55:12 AM
... New Hampshire begs for a fresh poll.

NH was polled by Rasmussen in the last few days. I think he had 53% approval there.

I'll take your word for it.


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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on January 14, 2010, 12:10:18 PM
Not sure that it affects your map Rowan, but the Rassy results from Ohio show 46% approval and 54% disapproval, as opposed to the 50% mistakenly listed earlier.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on January 14, 2010, 12:23:03 PM
Ohio, Oregon, New Jersey, Washington:

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46% approval is probably enough to win Ohio.

The recent Nevada poll averages out with another for no real change.

... New Hampshire begs for a fresh poll. No way can New Hampshire be as unsympathetic to Obama as is Idaho.


Unlike Rowan Brandon, who distinguishes between "under 50%" and "over 50%" I go for "approval under disapproval" (shades of yellow to dark brown), a tie (white), and "approval greater than disapproval" (shades of green). It's strictly a matter of taste, and I can't say that one is more relevant than the other at this point.

If there is a real difference it may be that his suggests the idea that if the GOP has a really-strong candidate in the wings, Obama loses in places in which his approval rating is below 50%. Mine suggests that the GOP lacks someone capable of offering an alternative, and that many disgruntled conservatives will find the choice between an uninspiring right-winger and an effective incumbent cause them to not vote.    


46 % is probably not enough to win Ohio, considering that the gop candidate is good.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 14, 2010, 12:45:34 PM
... New Hampshire begs for a fresh poll.

NH was polled by Rasmussen in the last few days. I think he had 53% approval there.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/new_hampshire/election_2010_new_hampshire_senate

Obama won New Hampshire over John McCain with 54% of the vote in 2008, and 52% of the state’s voters approve of the job the president is doing, including 31% who strongly approve. Forty-seven percent (47%) disapprove of the president’s job performance, with 38% who strongly disapprove.


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Another "S" crashes and burns, just as I expected.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on January 14, 2010, 12:54:13 PM
Ohio, Oregon, New Jersey, Washington:

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46% approval is probably enough to win Ohio.

The recent Nevada poll averages out with another for no real change.

... New Hampshire begs for a fresh poll. No way can New Hampshire be as unsympathetic to Obama as is Idaho.


Unlike Rowan Brandon, who distinguishes between "under 50%" and "over 50%" I go for "approval under disapproval" (shades of yellow to dark brown), a tie (white), and "approval greater than disapproval" (shades of green). It's strictly a matter of taste, and I can't say that one is more relevant than the other at this point.

If there is a real difference it may be that his suggests the idea that if the GOP has a really-strong candidate in the wings, Obama loses in places in which his approval rating is below 50%. Mine suggests that the GOP lacks someone capable of offering an alternative, and that many disgruntled conservatives will find the choice between an uninspiring right-winger and an effective incumbent cause them to not vote.    


46 % is probably not enough to win Ohio, considering that the gop candidate is good.

Do we already have a 2012 Republican candidate for president?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 14, 2010, 01:42:50 PM
Ohio, Oregon, New Jersey, Washington:

Unlike Rowan Brandon, who distinguishes between "under 50%" and "over 50%" I go for "approval under disapproval" (shades of yellow to dark brown), a tie (white), and "approval greater than disapproval" (shades of green). It's strictly a matter of taste, and I can't say that one is more relevant than the other at this point.

If there is a real difference it may be that his suggests the idea that if the GOP has a really-strong candidate in the wings, Obama loses in places in which his approval rating is below 50%. Mine suggests that the GOP lacks someone capable of offering an alternative, and that many disgruntled conservatives will find the choice between an uninspiring right-winger and an effective incumbent cause them to not vote.    


46 % is probably not enough to win Ohio, considering that the gop candidate is good.

Do we already have a 2012 Republican candidate for president?

We obviously don't. We don't see any obvious leader, and political events will sort things out.  Can the GOP nominee bind together the usual conservative interests and appeal to people near the center of the political spectrum? That asks for much -- perhaps too much -- especially if Obama proves a reasonably-competent President who delivers what he promises and mitigates some of the initial fears of his Presidency.

On the other hand, will President Obama fail? The jury has yet to deliberate. We have more than a year and a half of historical events before Election 2012. President Obama could yet step on the wrong toes. Some unforeseen situations can yet blow up.

One reasonable certainty (barring you-know-whose death or incapacitation)  is that Barack Obama will seek re-election. He is the near-certainty as the nominee of the Democratic Party. It's the Democrats who lack a viable alternative right now. Another is that George W. Bush will remain discredited. Any Republican who reminds Americans of George W. Bush will be defeated. Any successful GOP nominee will have to distance himself from our 43rd President successfully if he is to be the 45th President. Voting records of GOP legislators will be compared to the positions of the 43rd President will be used against them.

What is the great fear? If Obama is an effective President, then what do conservatives lose from four more years of that President?  Maybe they get to establish some individual records and new ideas for what will be a set of political priorities that, fresh in 2008, will be stale in 2016. Could it be that a truly-effective President resets the political language and expectations, setting new positions for conservatives and liberals?  What is wrong with a stronger economy that has had the gangrene of economic corruption excised?

Re-alignments happen under the cover of blowout elections. Contrast the pattern of voting between 1976 and 1992: Jimmy Carter won a bunch of states (Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina) that have never since voted for a Democratic nominee and even got close to winning Oklahoma, arguably one of the most consistent states at voting Republican by huge margins.  In contrast, Carter lost California, Oregon, Washington, Illinois, Michigan, New Jersey, Connecticut, Vermont, and Maine -- states that the Republicans have lost in every Presidential election beginning in 1992, and three states (Iowa, New Hampshire, and New Mexico) which the Democrats have lost only once since 1992. New coalitions form as the agenda of a seemingly-unassailable coalition breaks down under the noses of Presidents who have won with landslides -- like George Herbert Walker Bush.

Think about it: the Democrats now depend upon a bunch of states that Carter... lost. The GOP will return to the White House by winning states that nobody now thinks reasonable targets. 

 

   

 

   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on January 14, 2010, 02:15:19 PM
Ohio, Oregon, New Jersey, Washington:

Unlike Rowan Brandon, who distinguishes between "under 50%" and "over 50%" I go for "approval under disapproval" (shades of yellow to dark brown), a tie (white), and "approval greater than disapproval" (shades of green). It's strictly a matter of taste, and I can't say that one is more relevant than the other at this point.

If there is a real difference it may be that his suggests the idea that if the GOP has a really-strong candidate in the wings, Obama loses in places in which his approval rating is below 50%. Mine suggests that the GOP lacks someone capable of offering an alternative, and that many disgruntled conservatives will find the choice between an uninspiring right-winger and an effective incumbent cause them to not vote.    


46 % is probably not enough to win Ohio, considering that the gop candidate is good.

Do we already have a 2012 Republican candidate for president?
The GOP will return to the White House by winning states that nobody now thinks reasonable targets.     

Really?  I mean, I know the 2008 election didn't sort out like team red had hoped, but this premise seems false.  After checking out the census's expected results, it appears that the Repubs need to win back IN, NC, VA, FL, OH, in order to regain control of the White House... 3 of those (IN, NC, VA) are long Republican strongholds, FL went blue in a VERY STRONG Democratic year by just 2.5%, and OH went blue by 4%, less than the national average. 

You're nuts if you think the 2012 campaign will resemble the 2008 campaign, as Obama can't run on transformative messages of hope and change anymore, but will have to run on his record (which may include a successful economic recovery, that is to be seen). 

So what states must the GOP win that you do not consider reasonable targets for team red?  I'm not trying to sound condescending, just looking for debate!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on January 14, 2010, 02:23:39 PM

I have to question the unintentional bias in asking about President Obama approvals after mentioning the name of the toxic Harry Reid, who is sure to be voted out later this year.  It seems like this could drag down the president's approvals slightly (maybe it's just my skepticism, however).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on January 14, 2010, 02:49:35 PM
Perhaps, but Obama has always had low approval ratings, which is confusing because of how large the margin in which he won it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 14, 2010, 03:13:45 PM

I have to question the unintentional bias in asking about President Obama approvals after mentioning the name of the toxic Harry Reid, who is sure to be voted out later this year.  It seems like this could drag down the president's approvals slightly (maybe it's just my skepticism, however).

Obama's approval was the first question asked:

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of Barack
Obama’s job performance? If you approve,
press 1. If you disapprove, press 2. If you’re
not sure, press 3.
Approve .......................................................... 44%
Disapprove...................................................... 52%
Not Sure.......................................................... 4%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 14, 2010, 03:15:17 PM
Minnesota(Rasmussen)

Approve 52%
Disapprove 47%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/minnesota/toplines/toplines_minnesota_january_11_2010

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on January 14, 2010, 03:38:53 PM

I have to question the unintentional bias in asking about President Obama approvals after mentioning the name of the toxic Harry Reid, who is sure to be voted out later this year.  It seems like this could drag down the president's approvals slightly (maybe it's just my skepticism, however).

Obama's approval was the first question asked:

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of Barack
Obama’s job performance? If you approve,
press 1. If you disapprove, press 2. If you’re
not sure, press 3.
Approve .......................................................... 44%
Disapprove...................................................... 52%
Not Sure.......................................................... 4%

My mistake...not sure what the heck I was looking at


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 14, 2010, 05:28:23 PM
New Jersey(Rasmussen)

Approve 53%
Disapprove 47%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/new_jersey/toplines/toplines_new_jersey_i_january_13_2010

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 14, 2010, 07:07:30 PM
Ohio, Oregon, New Jersey, Washington:

Unlike Rowan Brandon, who distinguishes between "under 50%" and "over 50%" I go for "approval under disapproval" (shades of yellow to dark brown), a tie (white), and "approval greater than disapproval" (shades of green). It's strictly a matter of taste, and I can't say that one is more relevant than the other at this point.

If there is a real difference it may be that his suggests the idea that if the GOP has a really-strong candidate in the wings, Obama loses in places in which his approval rating is below 50%. Mine suggests that the GOP lacks someone capable of offering an alternative, and that many disgruntled conservatives will find the choice between an uninspiring right-winger and an effective incumbent cause them to not vote.    


46 % is probably not enough to win Ohio, considering that the gop candidate is good.

Do we already have a 2012 Republican candidate for president?
The GOP will return to the White House by winning states that nobody now thinks reasonable targets.     

Really?  I mean, I know the 2008 election didn't sort out like team red had hoped, but this premise seems false.  After checking out the census's expected results, it appears that the Repubs need to win back IN, NC, VA, FL, OH, in order to regain control of the White House... 3 of those (IN, NC, VA) are long Republican strongholds, FL went blue in a VERY STRONG Democratic year by just 2.5%, and OH went blue by 4%, less than the national average. 

You're nuts if you think the 2012 campaign will resemble the 2008 campaign, as Obama can't run on transformative messages of hope and change anymore, but will have to run on his record (which may include a successful economic recovery, that is to be seen). 

So what states must the GOP win that you do not consider reasonable targets for team red?  I'm not trying to sound condescending, just looking for debate!

The 2012 election will either be:

1. A huge Obama loss (if he has a catastrophic Presidency, signs of which I have yet to see)

2. A close Obama loss (getting 230 - 268 electoral votes)

3. A tie (269 electoral votes) decided in the House of Representatives

4. A bare Obama win  (270 - 310 electoral votes)

5. A win similar to Obama's 2008 or one of Clinton's electoral victories (355-400 electoral votes)

6. A win on an Eisenhower scale in 1952 or 1956 (about 450 electoral votes).  

There's nothing between cases 1 and 2 or between 4 and 5; Presidential elections do not result in wins of 55% to 65% of the electoral votes.  The difference between Case 5 and Case 6 is basically Texas, which Obama lost by a little more than 10%.   If about 6% of Americans who voted for McCain over Obama recoiled at the idea of a black man as President in states that he lost by less than 12%, he wins those states, one of which is Texas. Obama has likely maxed out inside the Blue Firewall.

To win the Presidency again in 2012, the GOP must basically win just about everything that neither Gore won in 2000 or Kerry won in 2004 even though reapportionment of the House is likely to transfer about 10 House seats to states that voted for Dubya in both 2000 and 2004. The states in question are reasonably Colorado and Nevada together, Virginia, Florida, and Ohio that Obama actually won or Missouri, which he came close to winning. Obama cannot win North Carolina without also winning Virginia, Indiana without also winning Ohio, Georgia without winning both North Carolina and Florida, or Arizona (which would have been close except that John McCain campaigned from there) without winning Colorado and Nevada. But giving Obama about even chances to win Colorado and Nevada together, Virginia, Ohio, and Florida, then the chance that Obama wins the Presidency is about 31 in 32 because those states are different enough in their demographics that their voting results become "independent". That is a probabilistic model, and right now that is the best that I can come up with. Winning Indiana, North Carolina, Arizona, or Georgia are dependent on other wins, so I need not account for them.  But if one of those states becomes a prohibitive favorite for Obama, then the 2012 election is all but impossible.

Should Obama be effective as a legislator and administrator (watch how he deals with the earthquake in Haiti and you may finally get an idea of him as an administrator), his chances of losing in 2012 go from a certifiable long shot (1 in 32) to something prohibitive.  

It is worth remembering that Obama is a superb campaigner -- arguably the best since at least Ronald Reagan. Governing gives the President little opportunity to show any fiery rhetoric. It's just as well. We have no right to expect excitement from our elected public officials. That's what sporting events and blockbuster movies are for for couch potatoes who don't get their thrills from more athletic activities. In the summer of 2012 he goes back on campaign mode if necessary -- and only if the election is not a foregone conclusion.  His campaign machine is as good as any that I have ever heard of.

As for states that lie within the current "Blue Firewall" I am discussing 2016 and 2020 -- not 2012. States that do not now seem reasonable targets for "Team Red" in 2012, and the difference between 1976 and 1992 (I may need to pull out a map contrasting 1976 to 1992) suggests what a difference 16 years can make.  

It is quite possible that the best thing that could happen to the GOP is an Obama landslide in 2012.  Such would force the GOP to try to rebuild a new coalition that attempts to find constituencies that Obama  and Clinton took for granted and thus underserved. Might the GOP have to look to the poor for new voters? Corporate America and the Religious Right aren't turning out more voters. Poor people like welfare recipients, the long-term unemployed, and people with low-paying jobs? Your guess is as good as mine.  The Democrats rebuilt a winning coalition as a response to Reagan-era landslides, and their coalition from 1992 until now has been practically the same. 18 states and DC  haven't voted for any Republican nominee since at least 1988, and 13 haven't voted for any Democratic nominee since at least 1980.  When 31 states aren't really in contest over five electoral cycles, something is fishy at the least with the electorate.

Presidential elections are apparently not national contests; in sixteen years, 31 states might as well have been foregone conclusions. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on January 14, 2010, 07:13:22 PM
Again, why is no one polling Indiana?  Idaho, Oklahoma, and Utah have more freakin` polls than Indiana, and McCain won by a lot in those states. Indiana was the most interesting state in the election.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on January 14, 2010, 07:18:41 PM
Again, why is no one polling Indiana?  Idaho, Oklahoma, and Utah have more freakin` polls than Indiana, and McCain won by a lot in those states. Indiana was the most interesting state in the election.

An approval poll would be pretty pointless just for Indiana atm. Also, it looks like Bayh will easily get re-elected, so a senatorial poll (which also include a Presidential approval question as a side note) would be a waste of money.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 14, 2010, 07:19:48 PM
Minnesota, which last rejected a Democratic nominee in 1972 (McGovern) and New Jersey:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on January 14, 2010, 07:25:36 PM
Ohio, Oregon, New Jersey, Washington:

Unlike Rowan Brandon, who distinguishes between "under 50%" and "over 50%" I go for "approval under disapproval" (shades of yellow to dark brown), a tie (white), and "approval greater than disapproval" (shades of green). It's strictly a matter of taste, and I can't say that one is more relevant than the other at this point.

If there is a real difference it may be that his suggests the idea that if the GOP has a really-strong candidate in the wings, Obama loses in places in which his approval rating is below 50%. Mine suggests that the GOP lacks someone capable of offering an alternative, and that many disgruntled conservatives will find the choice between an uninspiring right-winger and an effective incumbent cause them to not vote.    


46 % is probably not enough to win Ohio, considering that the gop candidate is good.

Do we already have a 2012 Republican candidate for president?
The GOP will return to the White House by winning states that nobody now thinks reasonable targets.     

Really?  I mean, I know the 2008 election didn't sort out like team red had hoped, but this premise seems false.  After checking out the census's expected results, it appears that the Repubs need to win back IN, NC, VA, FL, OH, in order to regain control of the White House... 3 of those (IN, NC, VA) are long Republican strongholds, FL went blue in a VERY STRONG Democratic year by just 2.5%, and OH went blue by 4%, less than the national average. 

You're nuts if you think the 2012 campaign will resemble the 2008 campaign, as Obama can't run on transformative messages of hope and change anymore, but will have to run on his record (which may include a successful economic recovery, that is to be seen). 

So what states must the GOP win that you do not consider reasonable targets for team red?  I'm not trying to sound condescending, just looking for debate!

The 2012 election will either be:

1. A huge Obama loss (if he has a catastrophic Presidency, signs of which I have yet to see)

2. A close Obama loss (getting 230 - 268 electoral votes)

3. A tie (269 electoral votes) decided in the House of Representatives

4. A bare Obama win  (270 - 310 electoral votes)

5. A win similar to Obama's 2008 or one of Clinton's electoral victories (355-400 electoral votes)

6. A win on an Eisenhower scale in 1952 or 1956 (about 450 electoral votes).  

There's nothing between cases 1 and 2 or between 4 and 5; Presidential elections do not result in wins of 55% to 65% of the electoral votes.  The difference between Case 5 and Case 6 is basically Texas, which Obama lost by a little more than 10%.   If about 6% of Americans who voted for McCain over Obama recoiled at the idea of a black man as President in states that he lost by less than 12%, he wins those states, one of which is Texas. Obama has likely maxed out inside the Blue Firewall.

To win the Presidency again in 2012, the GOP must basically win just about everything that neither Gore won in 2000 or Kerry won in 2004 even though reapportionment of the House is likely to transfer about 10 House seats to states that voted for Dubya in both 2000 and 2004. The states in question are reasonably Colorado and Nevada together, Virginia, Florida, and Ohio that Obama actually won or Missouri, which he came close to winning. Obama cannot win North Carolina without also winning Virginia, Indiana without also winning Ohio, Georgia without winning both North Carolina and Florida, or Arizona (which would have been close except that John McCain campaigned from there) without winning Colorado and Nevada. But giving Obama about even chances to win Colorado and Nevada together, Virginia, Ohio, and Florida, then the chance that Obama wins the Presidency is about 31 in 32 because those states are different enough in their demographics that their voting results become "independent". That is a probabilistic model, and right now that is the best that I can come up with. Winning Indiana, North Carolina, Arizona, or Georgia are dependent on other wins, so I need not account for them.  But if one of those states becomes a prohibitive favorite for Obama, then the 2012 election is all but impossible.

Should Obama be effective as a legislator and administrator (watch how he deals with the earthquake in Haiti and you may finally get an idea of him as an administrator), his chances of losing in 2012 go from a certifiable long shot (1 in 32) to something prohibitive.  

It is worth remembering that Obama is a superb campaigner -- arguably the best since at least Ronald Reagan. Governing gives the President little opportunity to show any fiery rhetoric. It's just as well. We have no right to expect excitement from our elected public officials. That's what sporting events and blockbuster movies are for for couch potatoes who don't get their thrills from more athletic activities. In the summer of 2012 he goes back on campaign mode if necessary -- and only if the election is not a foregone conclusion.  His campaign machine is as good as any that I have ever heard of.

As for states that lie within the current "Blue Firewall" I am discussing 2016 and 2020 -- not 2012. States that do not now seem reasonable targets for "Team Red" in 2012, and the difference between 1976 and 1992 (I may need to pull out a map contrasting 1976 to 1992) suggests what a difference 16 years can make.  

It is quite possible that the best thing that could happen to the GOP is an Obama landslide in 2012.  Such would force the GOP to try to rebuild a new coalition that attempts to find constituencies that Obama  and Clinton took for granted and thus underserved. Might the GOP have to look to the poor for new voters? Corporate America and the Religious Right aren't turning out more voters. Poor people like welfare recipients, the long-term unemployed, and people with low-paying jobs? Your guess is as good as mine.  The Democrats rebuilt a winning coalition as a response to Reagan-era landslides, and their coalition from 1992 until now has been practically the same. 18 states and DC  haven't voted for any Republican nominee since at least 1988, and 13 haven't voted for any Democratic nominee since at least 1980.  When 31 states aren't really in contest over five electoral cycles, something is fishy at the least with the electorate.

Presidential elections are apparently not national contests; in sixteen years, 31 states might as well have been foregone conclusions. 

So none is basically your answer to my question posed above?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 14, 2010, 08:50:16 PM
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So none is basically your answer to my question posed above?

That's right -- none, at least until 2016.

It will take a shift of nearly 5% of the vote for the GOP nominee to win any state that no GOP nominee has won more than once after 1988 (the closest of those would be Iowa and New Hampshire). Obama won every state that has never voted for a GOP nominee after 1988 (eighteen states and DC) by at least 10%. New Mexico voted for Obama by a large margin, too.

The Republicans can win only with Dubya-like victories, winning everything that Dubya won in both 2000 and 2004, unless Obama proves catastrophically incompetent or corrupt. They could still get away with losing Nevada and Montana or Colorado, but with losses in Colorado and anything else, the GOP will lose even with the re-apportionment of the states. Add to that, the GOP must win everything else that Obama won except the one electoral vote that Greater Omaha has to offer.

Because Obama's campaign will practically colonize Nevada with campaigners from California, Nevada will be a bad bet for the GOP in 2012 even if disgraced Senator John Ensign hasn't chosen to resign before then. If the GOP loses Nevada, then Obama has possible wins in very different states scattered across the country. Virginia, Ohio, Missouri, Florida, and Colorado are different enough that the GOP nominee will have no easy way of tailoring an appeal that works in all five states at once. Defending every one of them will be extremely difficult.  

Speaking of the contrast between 1976 and 1992:

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Key (ignore letters):


Carter 1976/Clinton 1992(16 states and DC)

Carter 1976/GHWB 1992  (6 states)

Ford 1976/Clinton 1992 (15 states)

Ford 1976/GHWB 1992 (12 states)


What a difference sixteen years can make in the political culture of so many states! Such happens when a party finds something other than "they way we used to win" and can win. Oddly, Carter and Clinton had similar ideologies, so the difference was not so much personalities as the ability of the Democrats to win over some big states while the Republicans won over states that the Democrats used to win). Some of those states -- some very big -- have stayed switched, including California, Illinois, Michigan, and New Jersey for the Democrats -- and Texas for the Republicans.  

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 15, 2010, 01:36:45 AM
Massachusettes (Suffolk University):

48% Approve
43% Disapprove

The statewide survey of 500 Massachusetts registered voters was conducted Jan. 11-13, 2010. The margin of error is +/- 4.38 percent at a 95 percent level of confidence.

http://www.suffolk.edu/39994.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 15, 2010, 01:51:44 AM
FOX News:

50% Approve
42% Disapprove

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/011410_Obamaapproval.pdf

McClatchy/Ipsos:

52% Approve
45% Disapprove

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/nation/story/82156.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on January 15, 2010, 03:06:46 AM
For a healthy reminder of why we shouldn't be overthinking polls: Massachusetts, the GOP-leaning swing state of 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on January 15, 2010, 06:08:16 AM
Well it is Suffolk Uni, so.... duh. :p


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dan the Roman on January 15, 2010, 06:08:30 AM
For a healthy reminder of why we shouldn't be overthinking polls: Massachusetts, the GOP-leaning swing state of 2012.

Probably exagerated a bit, and note the 25/60 ratings Palin pulls in that same poll for comparison. Romney's numbers, at 49/43 are not that hot either.

That said, something is happening, and a lot of legislators on Beacon Hill are quite scared at the moment.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 15, 2010, 08:59:03 AM
For a healthy reminder of why we shouldn't be overthinking polls: Massachusetts, the GOP-leaning swing state of 2012.

Probably exagerated a bit, and note the 25/60 ratings Palin pulls in that same poll for comparison. Romney's numbers, at 49/43 are not that hot either.

That said, something is happening, and a lot of legislators on Beacon Hill are quite scared at the moment.

Just as well. The combination of arrogance and complacency is the bane of good government.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 15, 2010, 09:41:08 AM
Colorado(Rasmussen)

Approve 47%
Disapprove 52%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/colorado/toplines/toplines_2010_colorado_senate_january_13_2010


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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on January 15, 2010, 10:09:46 AM
He's actually been moving upward in the Fox poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 15, 2010, 11:04:24 AM
California (SurveyUSA):

59% Approve (+4)
38% Disapprove (-3)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c717d146-99e7-4de8-8217-9fb792fc2fb8

Kansas (SurveyUSA):

40% Approve (+4)
56% Disapprove (-3)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c9cb9d95-0451-467c-8613-efb0bf5d4a7e


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on January 15, 2010, 11:04:29 AM
Kansas (SurveyUSA):

40% Approve (+4)
56% Disapprove (-3)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c9cb9d95-0451-467c-8613-efb0bf5d4a7e

Solid 'Bama


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 15, 2010, 11:16:43 AM
California and Kansas updated.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on January 15, 2010, 12:19:06 PM
Colorado(Rasmussen)

Approve 47%
Disapprove 52%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/colorado/toplines/toplines_2010_colorado_senate_january_13_2010


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Colorado seems to be awfully consistent around that 52% disapproval number.  I didn't expect a state that voted so heavily for BO to turn quickly, but such is life.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajc0918 on January 15, 2010, 01:25:11 PM
Massachusettes (Suffolk University):

48% Approve
43% Disapprove

The statewide survey of 500 Massachusetts registered voters was conducted Jan. 11-13, 2010. The margin of error is +/- 4.38 percent at a 95 percent level of confidence.

http://www.suffolk.edu/39994.html

This poll shouldn't be included because it is for likely voters that are voting in the special election Jan 19th. Not all likely voters...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 15, 2010, 02:23:43 PM
Are you ready for a new weird map?

The first one isn't so weird: it's how the states actually voted in 2008:

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I'm going to show how long the Democrats have gone in winning an election without winning certain states, or  how long the Republicans have gone since winning a state during a Presidential election that it lost. They obviously won the 2008 election without winning the states in deep blue.

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Clinton never won Indiana, North Carolina, or NE-2, and didn't win Colorado in 1996... those are in medium-blue. Clinton won election without Florida in 1992, so color that one light blue. A good clue for 2012: Obama can win with everything in pink.

Carter barely won election in 1976 -- and probably shouldn't have. He lost many states that Democrats largely take for granted these days (light green):

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Carter relied heavily on the South for electoral votes, and he would disappoint much of the South very badly.

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Kennedy won without Ohio and   Wisconsin in 1960 (red); Truman lost Delaware, Maryland, New York, and Pennsylvania in 1948 (maroon). To give some idea of how long it has been since the Republicans won either Massachusetts, Minnesota, or Rhode Island and still lost the Presidential election -- it was 1916, and Charles Hughes (remember him, anyone?) won all three.

Needless to say, Hawaii has never voted for a Republican nominee except in a Republican blowout and DC has never voted for the Republican under any circumstances.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on January 15, 2010, 03:19:27 PM
For a healthy reminder of why we shouldn't be overthinking polls: Massachusetts, the GOP-leaning swing state of 2012.

Probably exagerated a bit, and note the 25/60 ratings Palin pulls in that same poll for comparison. Romney's numbers, at 49/43 are not that hot either.

That said, something is happening, and a lot of legislators on Beacon Hill are quite scared at the moment.

Just as well. The combination of arrogance and complacency is the bane of good government.

And the bane of other things, too...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 15, 2010, 04:38:35 PM
Are you ready for the opposite?

The first one isn't so weird: it's how the states actually voted in 2004:

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I'm going to show how long the Republicans have gone in winning an election without winning certain states, or  how long the Democrats have gone since winning a state during a Presidential election that it lost. The Republicans obviously won the 2004 election without winning the states in pink.

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Al Gore managed to win Iowa and New Mexico (white) in 2000; states in pink or gray would not be enough to win in 2004 or 2008, but they would be close; they would have been enough before 2000. Had Gore won New Hampshire, he would have won the election outright. Obama needed 5 more electoral votes (Nevada) to secure a tie in the Electoral College only to depend upon the outcome of a vote in the House of Representatives, or more (most likely Colorado) to win outright, with the Republican nominee stuck trying to defend a bunch of states scattered across the country.  Obama will need  more than even Colorado in addition to the states in pink and gray in 2012.

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The map can now begin to look strange. George Herbert Walker Bush couldn't win West Virginia (pale orange), once a stalwart Democratic state but obviously no longer so, in 1988; Ronald Reagan may have won a landslide repudiation of Jimmy Carter in 1980, but not in Carter's own state of Georgia (orange). Georgia would now be a desperation target for Obama, and Obama can kiss any chance of winning West Virginia good-bye except in an electoral contest in which he will win at least 400 electoral votes.

"Nixon's the One" applies to 1968 and 1972.  He lost only one state and DC in 1972, but in 1968 he was the last Republican to lose Texas (pale green -- to Humphrey) and "Kukluxistan" to the segregationist George Wallace (dark green) in an election that a Republican won. The distinction is worth making:

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Did America say "I LIKE IKE" in 1952 and 1956? 1956 was the last year in which Missouri, North Carolina,  and South Carolina voted against the Republican nominee in a Republican win;  1952 was the last year in which Kentucky voted against the Republican in a Republican win. I'm going to show those in pale blue without a distinction because the elections were extremely similar.  Some of the states that voted for Stevenson would also vote for George Wallace, and I have already shown those. That is beginning to look like a long time ago...

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... Because of four Democratic wins of the Presidency by FDR and one by Truman,  the next-latest opportunity for a state to vote Democratic against a Republican winner was 1928, when Louisiana did for the last time for the Democrat. It would again vote in a losing election against a Republican in 1968, but then for third-party racist George Wallace. Louisiana does not show for 1928.

Florida, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Virginia last voted Democratic against a Republican winner in 1924; they are in medium blue.    

Farther back?  One largely speaks of states that voted for William Jennings Bryant in 1896, 1900, or 1908.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 15, 2010, 04:42:14 PM
California(Rasmussen)

Approve 54%
Disapprove 44%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/california/election_2010_california_senate

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on January 15, 2010, 04:54:25 PM
New York: 56/41

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/ny_2010_sen_marist_11314.php (http://www.pollster.com/blogs/ny_2010_sen_marist_11314.php)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 15, 2010, 05:19:26 PM

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Marginal Obama gains in Kansas (which shows) and Colorado (which doesn't)... California, New York updates. The GOP nominee really has to win Kansas by about 10% to have a viable chance to win. Obama can't win Kansas except in a landslide of at least 475 electoral votes.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 70% Yellow (90% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
51-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Maryland and Montana (November), which rarely get polled.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on January 16, 2010, 08:23:34 PM
I think that New Mexico needs to be updated. When will the pollsters be out?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 17, 2010, 12:46:13 AM
I think that New Mexico needs to be updated. When will the pollsters be out?

Good question. I can think of some other states that could use some fresh polls. Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, West Virginia, Wisconsin... not that I would expect Obama to do particularly well in any of those except Iowa and Wisconsin.  It's hard to believe that Michigan could be in the same category with South Carolina or that Virginia is in the same category with Kansas. 

Has either Mississippi or Vermont ever been polled?

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on January 17, 2010, 10:50:03 AM
I think that New Mexico needs to be updated. When will the pollsters be out?
Has either Mississippi or Vermont ever been polled?


I definately don't recall Vermont getting polled.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 19, 2010, 12:34:54 PM
Texas(Rasmussen)

Approve 44%
Disapprove 54%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/texas/toplines/toplines_texas_governor_s_race_january_17_2010

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on January 19, 2010, 12:37:23 PM
Texas(Rasmussen)

Approve 44%
Disapprove 54%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/texas/toplines/toplines_texas_governor_s_race_january_17_2010

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Rather impressed with that tbh, considering it's Texas..


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 19, 2010, 12:38:44 PM
Rowan, could you add the range that the colors mean at the bottom of the maps?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on January 19, 2010, 12:51:10 PM
Yeah, those are quite strong numbers for Texas.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on January 19, 2010, 01:02:37 PM
Pollster's trendline appears to be showing a slight national bounce, although it could just be the ABC poll (outlier).

UPDATE: 50/40 nationwide in CBS poll (with 25% of the GOP approving... lol)
http://www.pollster.com/blogs/us_national_survey_cbs_11417.php (http://www.pollster.com/blogs/us_national_survey_cbs_11417.php)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 19, 2010, 02:22:18 PM
Louisiana (Rasmussen):

39% Approve
61% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Louisiana was conducted by Rasmussen Reports January 14, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/louisiana/toplines/toplines_election_2010_louisiana_senate_race_january_14_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 19, 2010, 02:39:36 PM
Texas(Rasmussen)

Approve 44%
Disapprove 54%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/texas/toplines/toplines_texas_governor_s_race_january_17_2010

This is the first poll to occur including even part of the time following the earthquake in Haiti, arguably President Obama's first acid test as an administrator. America has been lucky in not having any natural disasters while Obama has been President. Now Haiti gets it -- and gets it with obscene brutality of nature at its absolute worst. Judgment on how President Obama responds to that horrible earthquake is incomplete. Texas is not in a seismic zone, but much of the oil infrastructure is largely in a hurricane zone.

44-54 is about how Texas voted in 2008, which is a bad sign for the GOP in a national election. Unless Rick Perry is on the Presidential ballot the GOP nominee for President, as it now stands, will be unlikely to win Texas by a secure margin.  Texas could be a genuine battleground should the economy implode upon Obama politically in such states as Michigan and Ohio.   Texas hasn't voted Democratic in a win for a Republican Presidential nominee since 1968, when Hubert Humphrey won the state, and last went for the Democratic nominee in 1976 (Jimmy Carter).



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 19, 2010, 02:45:57 PM

I think that New Mexico needs to be updated. When will the pollsters be out?

Good question. I can think of some other states that could use some fresh polls. Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, West Virginia, Wisconsin... not that I would expect Obama to do particularly well in any of those except Iowa and Wisconsin.  It's hard to believe that Michigan could be in the same category with South Carolina or that Virginia is in the same category with Kansas. 


Sometimes you get exactly what you ask for.

TEXAS

and sometimes you see what you don't want to see
Louisiana (Rasmussen):

39% Approve
61% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Louisiana was conducted by Rasmussen Reports January 14, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/louisiana/toplines/toplines_election_2010_louisiana_senate_race_january_14_2010

Texas is bigger news than Louisiana, and Louisiana was about 40-60 in December, so the color change may be an exaggeration of a huge shift.





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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 70% Yellow (90% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow 
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
51-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Maryland and Montana (November), which rarely get polled.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 19, 2010, 03:04:33 PM
Pollster's trendline appears to be showing a slight national bounce, although it could just be the ABC poll (outlier).

UPDATE: 50/40 nationwide in CBS poll (with 25% of the GOP approving... lol)
http://www.pollster.com/blogs/us_national_survey_cbs_11417.php (http://www.pollster.com/blogs/us_national_survey_cbs_11417.php)

It could be related to the President's response to the earthquake in Haiti. This is new, it can change, and it can fade. One of the standard tests of how the electorate responds to the President is his response to natural disasters. We Americans were lucky in the autumn of  2009 with a comparatively-tame hurricane season.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: MK on January 19, 2010, 06:30:53 PM
Obama has wasted too much capital on healthcare ( wayy too much if it fails anyway).
This administration should be setting the agenda not allowing debate within the country to take control of it.  Say what you want to about the evil bush adminstation, you can't deny they knew how to get the message across and stir the country in their direction.  They'd been better off attacking the jobs/unemployment issue.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on January 19, 2010, 09:37:39 PM
Texas(Rasmussen)

Approve 44%
Disapprove 54%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/texas/toplines/toplines_texas_governor_s_race_january_17_2010

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Those numbers are heartening.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on January 20, 2010, 12:35:42 AM
Not bad Obama numbers in Texas.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 20, 2010, 01:23:04 AM

Really good -- enough to make President Obama seem "competitive" in the Lone Star State. Of course, if I am Obama I don't want to depend upon Texas; I'd want Michigan to be a sure thing. If Obama is even "competitive" in Texas in 2012, then the GOP nominee is cooked. There will be an open Senate seat in Texas in 2012.

In any event, Pollster.com has an interesting poll on President Obama's approval ratings:

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/us_national_survey_cbs_11417.php

US: National Survey (CBS 1/14-17)
Emily Swanson | January 19, 2010

CBS News
1/14-17/10; 1,090 adults, 3% margin of error
Mode: Live telephone interviews
(CBS: Palin story, results; Obama story, results; Haiti story, results; Bank Bonuses story, results)

National

Obama Job Approval
50% Approve, 40% Disapprove (chart)
Reps: 25 / 65 (chart)
Dems: 81 / 13 (chart)
Inds: 40 / 47 (chart)
Foreign policy: 49 / 38 (chart)
Economy: 46 / 48 (chart)
Health Care: 40 / 54 (chart)
Haiti: 80 / 8

State of the Country
36% Right Direction, 55% Wrong Track (chart)

Congressional Job Approval
23% Approve, 63% disapprove (chart)

Favorable / Unfavorable
Dems in Congress: 44 / 48
Reps in Congress: 34 / 56
Sarah Palin: 26 / 41 (chart)
Tea Party movement: 18 / 12

Would you like to see Sarah Palin run for president of the United States in 2012, or not?
21% Would, 71% Would not


Party ID
36% Democrat, 28% Republican, 33% independent (chart)

Comments:

1. Health care reform remains a political millstone.

2. The economy is best described as a "maybe".

3. Foreign policy is reasonably strong.

4. The President's response to Haiti looks almost as good as did Dubya's response to 9/11. It is his first challenge as an administrator.

5. Any "bump" in the approval for the President is probably linked to his response to the earthquake in Haiti.

6. Congress isn't looked upon well, but Republicans in Congress are doing very badly. 

7. As it is, Sarah Palin  looks as if she would go down to a defeat so severe that she could be spoken of in the same sentence as Landon, Goldwater, McGovern, and Mondale if she got the Republican nomination. When 71% of the public doesn't want her to run, then she isn't popular enough among Republicans to stand a chance.   

8. The Tea Party "movement" has drawn little attention. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on January 20, 2010, 07:09:01 AM
Obama has wasted too much capital on healthcare ( wayy too much if it fails anyway).
This administration should be setting the agenda not allowing debate within the country to take control of it.  Say what you want to about the evil bush adminstation, you can't deny they knew how to get the message across and stir the country in their direction.  They'd been better off attacking the jobs/unemployment issue.




That is one of the aspects of the Bush Administration that I despise.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 20, 2010, 08:51:14 AM
Louisiana updated.

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: GLPman on January 20, 2010, 10:17:38 AM
Louisiana updated.

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Wow. I'd say Obama is definitely in trouble.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 20, 2010, 10:51:43 AM
Obama has wasted too much capital on healthcare ( wayy too much if it fails anyway).
This administration should be setting the agenda not allowing debate within the country to take control of it.  Say what you want to about the evil bush adminstation, you can't deny they knew how to get the message across and stir the country in their direction.  They'd been better off attacking the jobs/unemployment issue.

To the contrary: the Bush administration proved adept at gaming language so that it sounded like something far different from what it was. The first indication that I got of this was his "Healthy Forests Initiative", a promotion of the quick-buck practice of loggers known as "clear-cutting". Loggers remove every tree for its lumber, and all that is left is a bare slope easily eroded. But profits come swiftly, and erosion leaves huge costs and may make a denuded moonscape  with little capacity to ever grow trees again. "Healthy forest"? No forest is left, but there certainly are no unhealthy trees allowed to remain. Such was in 2001 soon after the Bush inauguration.

That was only the first. "No Child Left Behind" sounds like an effort to ensure that no child, whatever economic and cultural reality he grows up in, would avoid a rigorous and effective education and would thus get a chance in life. Much of NCLB relied upon standardized testing that would test academic results, and schools would be penalized for substandard performance. In theory that is wonderful as a means of forcing incompetent teachers into different lines of work and require those remaining to improve their methods... but as it turns out, individual upbringing and  fiscal realities of underfunded schools in impoverished areas would ensure that the usual knowledge that underprivileged kids would get shoved even further into failure as resources for their schools would be gutted while the kids with more advantages would get more resources directed toward them.

I can only think of the lyrics of a 19th-century folksong, The Dodger, and it has nothing to do with a baseball team formerly in Brooklyn:

Quote
Oh, the candidate's a dodger, yes, a well-known dodger,
Oh, the candidate's a dodger, yes, and I'm a dodger too.
He'll meet you and treat you and ask you for your vote,
But look out, boys, he's a-dodgin' for your vote.

    We're all a-dodgin',
    Dodgin', dodgin', dodgin',
    Oh, we're all a-dodgin' out the way through the world.

Oh, the lawyer, he's a dodger, yes, a well-known dodger,
Oh, the lawyer, he's a dodger, yes, and I'm a dodger, too.
He'll plead your case and claim you for a friend,
But look out, boys, he's easy for to bend.

Oh, the preacher, he's a dodger, yes, a well-known dodger,
Oh, the preacher, he's a dodger, yes, and I'm a dodger, too.
He'll preach the gospel and tell you of your crimes,
But look out, boys, he's dodgin' for your dimes.

Oh, the merchant, he's a dodger, yes, a well-known dodger,
Oh, the merchant, he's a dodger, yes, and I'm a dodger, too.
He'll sell you goods at double the price,
But when you go to pay him you'll have to pay him twice.

Oh, the farmer, he's a dodger, yes, a well-known dodger,
Oh, the farmer, he's a dodger, yes, and I'm a dodger, too.
He'll plow his cotton, he'll plow his corn,
But he won't make a livin' as sure as you're born.

Oh, the sheriff, he's a dodger, yes, a well-known dodger,
Oh, the sheriff, he's a dodger, yes, and I'm a dodger, too.
He'll act like a friend and a mighty fine man,
But look out, boys, he'll put you in the can.

Oh, the general, he's a dodger, yes, a well-known dodger,
Oh the general, he's a dodger, yes, and I'm a dodger, too.
He'll march you up and he'll march you down,
But look out, boys, he'll put you under ground.

Oh, the lover is a dodger, yes, a well-known dodger,
Oh, the lover is a dodger, yes, and I'm a dodger, too.
He'll hug you and kiss you and call you his bride,
But look out, girls, he's telling you a lie. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 20, 2010, 02:03:48 PM
Maryland(Gonzales Research)

Approve 56%
Disapprove 30%

http://www.gonzalesresearch.com/Surveys/Maryland_Media_Poll_January_2010.htm

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 20, 2010, 02:07:13 PM
New Jersey (Quinnipiac):

55% Approve
40% Disapprove

From January 13 - 18, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,175 New Jersey voters, with a margin of error of +/- 2.9 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1414


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 20, 2010, 02:10:56 PM
New Jersey.

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 20, 2010, 02:59:50 PM
California (Field):

56% Approve
34% Disapprove

These are the findings from the latest Field Poll completed January 5-17 among a representative
sample of 1,232 registered voters in California.

http://www.field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/Rls2321.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 20, 2010, 03:03:51 PM
AP-GfK:

56% Approve
42% Disapprove

Interview dates: January 12 – 17, 2010
Interviews: 1,008 adults
Margin of error: +/- 4.4 percentage points at the 95% confidence level

http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com/pdf/AP-GfK_Poll_Jan_2010_Final_Topline.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 20, 2010, 03:04:18 PM
AP-GfK:

56% Approve
42% Disapprove

Interview dates: January 12 – 17, 2010
Interviews: 1,008 adults
Margin of error: +/- 4.4 percentage points at the 95% confidence level

http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com/pdf/AP-GfK_Poll_Jan_2010_Final_Topline.pdf

LOL


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 20, 2010, 03:28:32 PM
Update for Maryland; California and New Jersey show no change:

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 70% Yellow (90% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow 
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Maryland and Montana (November 2009), which rarely get polled.






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 20, 2010, 03:30:14 PM
Indiana (Public Opinion Strategies - R):

44% Approve
53% Disapprove

(Gov. Daniels)

65% Approve
29% Disapprove

The poll was taken by Public Opinion Strategies of 600 likely voters on January 5-6 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.0%.

http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2010/01/poll_watching-3.html

http://www.thelakecountygop.com/news/183-governor-daniels


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: MK on January 20, 2010, 03:31:49 PM
Obama has wasted too much capital on healthcare ( wayy too much if it fails anyway).
This administration should be setting the agenda not allowing debate within the country to take control of it.  Say what you want to about the evil bush adminstation, you can't deny they knew how to get the message across and stir the country in their direction.  They'd been better off attacking the jobs/unemployment issue.

To the contrary: the Bush administration proved adept at gaming language so that it sounded like something far different from what it was. The first indication that I got of this was his "Healthy Forests Initiative", a promotion of the quick-buck practice of loggers known as "clear-cutting". Loggers remove every tree for its lumber, and all that is left is a bare slope easily eroded. But profits come swiftly, and erosion leaves huge costs and may make a denuded moonscape  with little capacity to ever grow trees again. "Healthy forest"? No forest is left, but there certainly are no unhealthy trees allowed to remain. Such was in 2001 soon after the Bush inauguration.

That was only the first. "No Child Left Behind" sounds like an effort to ensure that no child, whatever economic and cultural reality he grows up in, would avoid a rigorous and effective education and would thus get a chance in life. Much of NCLB relied upon standardized testing that would test academic results, and schools would be penalized for substandard performance. In theory that is wonderful as a means of forcing incompetent teachers into different lines of work and require those remaining to improve their methods... but as it turns out, individual upbringing and  fiscal realities of underfunded schools in impoverished areas would ensure that the usual knowledge that underprivileged kids would get shoved even further into failure as resources for their schools would be gutted while the kids with more advantages would get more resources directed toward them.

I can only think of the lyrics of a 19th-century folksong, The Dodger, and it has nothing to do with a baseball team formerly in Brooklyn:

Quote
Oh, the candidate's a dodger, yes, a well-known dodger,
Oh, the candidate's a dodger, yes, and I'm a dodger too.
He'll meet you and treat you and ask you for your vote,
But look out, boys, he's a-dodgin' for your vote.

    We're all a-dodgin',
    Dodgin', dodgin', dodgin',
    Oh, we're all a-dodgin' out the way through the world.

Oh, the lawyer, he's a dodger, yes, a well-known dodger,
Oh, the lawyer, he's a dodger, yes, and I'm a dodger, too.
He'll plead your case and claim you for a friend,
But look out, boys, he's easy for to bend.

Oh, the preacher, he's a dodger, yes, a well-known dodger,
Oh, the preacher, he's a dodger, yes, and I'm a dodger, too.
He'll preach the gospel and tell you of your crimes,
But look out, boys, he's dodgin' for your dimes.

Oh, the merchant, he's a dodger, yes, a well-known dodger,
Oh, the merchant, he's a dodger, yes, and I'm a dodger, too.
He'll sell you goods at double the price,
But when you go to pay him you'll have to pay him twice.

Oh, the farmer, he's a dodger, yes, a well-known dodger,
Oh, the farmer, he's a dodger, yes, and I'm a dodger, too.
He'll plow his cotton, he'll plow his corn,
But he won't make a livin' as sure as you're born.

Oh, the sheriff, he's a dodger, yes, a well-known dodger,
Oh, the sheriff, he's a dodger, yes, and I'm a dodger, too.
He'll act like a friend and a mighty fine man,
But look out, boys, he'll put you in the can.

Oh, the general, he's a dodger, yes, a well-known dodger,
Oh the general, he's a dodger, yes, and I'm a dodger, too.
He'll march you up and he'll march you down,
But look out, boys, he'll put you under ground.

Oh, the lover is a dodger, yes, a well-known dodger,
Oh, the lover is a dodger, yes, and I'm a dodger, too.
He'll hug you and kiss you and call you his bride,
But look out, girls, he's telling you a lie. 


No, im referring to  after 9/11.        The Bush administration  was able to get people behind them for a war that had nothing to do with 9/11. But because they were so good at setting the agenda they made it happen.  Of course once people found out it was all over for them, but hey  it worked.

Obamas  administration don't know how to do this.    



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on January 20, 2010, 03:33:12 PM
Indiana (Public Opinion Strategies - R):

44% Approve
53% Disapprove



Better than I expected in Indiana to be honest.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on January 20, 2010, 04:10:20 PM
Indiana (Public Opinion Strategies - R):

44% Approve
53% Disapprove

(Gov. Daniels)

65% Approve
29% Disapprove

The poll was taken by Public Opinion Strategies of 600 likely voters on January 5-6 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.0%.

http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2010/01/poll_watching-3.html

http://www.thelakecountygop.com/news/183-governor-daniels
Finally! :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 20, 2010, 04:31:32 PM
Indiana added. The CA Field Poll was in the field starting on January 5. The Rasmussen CA poll was in the field on January 13 and will be used for my map.

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on January 20, 2010, 05:03:30 PM
No dark greens?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 20, 2010, 05:52:41 PM
Indiana doesn't get polled often. Even with the caveat that the poll is published by the Republican Party of Lake County, Indiana, it is reasonable enough that I accept it. No letter "S" appears here. Beggars can't be choosers for a poll of Indiana, as I said of a Democratic poll a few months ago with a poll that the Democrats leaked. It's not that far from the Democratic poll of a few months ago.

President Obama would of course lose the state to Governor Mitch Daniels, whose approval rating is in the mid-60s with an approval rating of 44% for the President, by a huge margin, but against anyone else the state would be competitive for Obama. The GOP can't afford to have Indiana  "competitive", as a large number of states that Republicans absolutely must win go Democratic (Virginia, Colorado, Florida, Ohio, North Carolina), before Indiana.  Democratic nominees with the initials JFK were clobbered in Indiana (Kerry in 2004, Kennedy in 1960); Clinton was never close. Truman did get close in 1948... and contrary to myth, Dewey didn't have a chance.

It's hard to believe that such states as Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Missouri, Montana, South Dakota, Texas, and Virginia are in the same category... but they are now.  


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 70% Yellow (90% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on January 20, 2010, 06:10:20 PM
He's back over 50% nationally at Pollster and Rasmussen has given him the best he's had in a while today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 20, 2010, 06:37:31 PM

Nope. Under 60% everywhere(maybe not Vermont, but we have no poll).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 20, 2010, 06:41:33 PM
New York(Rasmussen)

Approve 56%
Disapprove 43%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/new_york/election_2010_new_york_senate

Arkansas(TBQ)

Approve 37%
Disapprove 61%

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/ar_ratings_tbq_11315.php

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 20, 2010, 11:38:29 PM
Polls I'd like to see:

Michigan, Virginia -- December polls could already be obsolete. How can Michigan have a sub-50 approval when Obama's approval rating is above 50%? How can Obama be seen more sympathetically in North Carolina than in Virginia?

Arizona, Georgia, Iowa, New Mexico, Tennessee, Wisconsin: It's been awhile. They would be interesting.

Delaware, Hawaii, Maine: likely strong Democratic states that haven't appeared for a long time.

Florida: I don't like ties -- do you?

South Carolina... is that for real?

NE-01, NE-02... Obama probably has a 70% disapproval rating in NE-03, one of the most conservative districts in America and the last electoral vote that Obama could ever get under any circumstances, but NE-01 votes like Texas and NE-02 votes like Indiana. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on January 20, 2010, 11:53:30 PM
New York(Rasmussen)

Approve 56%
Disapprove 43%

Rasmussen's state approval polls seem very "flat", in that there's less deviation from the national numbers state by state than one would expect: Obama is both doing worse in Democratic strongholds (NY) than one would expect based on his national numbers and better in Republican strongholds (TX) that one would expect. No way to know, though, if this is actually happening or if it's just one of Scotty's many polling quirks.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 21, 2010, 02:15:12 AM
New York(Rasmussen)

Approve 56%
Disapprove 43%

Rasmussen's state approval polls seem very "flat", in that there's less deviation from the national numbers state by state than one would expect: Obama is both doing worse in Democratic strongholds (NY) than one would expect based on his national numbers and better in Republican strongholds (TX) that one would expect. No way to know, though, if this is actually happening or if it's just one of Scotty's many polling quirks.

Possible explanation: that ideological polarization between the states that intensified when the divisive George W. Bush was President and figures like DeLay and Santorum were rubbing the power of the GOP in the faces of liberals has begun to abate. It could be that the state-by-state polarization on partisan loyalty peaked in 2008.

How polarized was the 2008 election?

1. Wholly 384 electoral votes were decided by 10% or more -- 264 for Obama, 120 for McCain.  Those were 384 electoral votes that got little attention, as a rule. Only 154 electoral votes were even reasonably under contest.  A 10% margin is a blowout. That number of electoral votes

Considering that such states that either Obama or McCain won by less than 10% weren't far from 10% (Iowa, New Hampshire, Arizona, South Carolina, North Dakota, South Dakota) weren't really contested late. Only 89 electoral votes were decided by 5% or less.  Obama was winning by gigantic margins in some states, but also lost by gigantic margins in some states. 

2. 31 states and the DC have voted only for candidates for one Party or the other  -- 18 states and DC only for the Democratic nominees, and 13 only for Republican nominees -- in the last five Presidential elections.  Of the largest states in population (California, Texas, New York, Florida, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Ohio, and Michigan) only two (Florida and Ohio) have split their votes.

3. As a black man, Barack Obama may have suggested that he was going to do many things that many white people feared -- like supporting reparations for slavery, like leniency toward criminals, huge increases in welfare spending, and intensifying affirmative action entirely to the benefit of black people. 

As a consequence, voters may have begun to see the danger of their states becoming ideological fiefs, with the President paying attention largely to a few "swing" states instead of winning on concerns that affect everyone. Machine politics serve people badly, and since 1988, some states may have begun to have political machines that did not exist before 1980. Areas that vote "wrong" like Greater San Antonio and downstate Illinois get under-served. That's hardly good for America. 

It is also possible that many people, especially white people in the South, have begun to figure that Barack Obama is hardly the menace that they thought. He hasn't pushed for reparations for slavery, he hasn't been lenient toward criminals of any kind, he hasn't pushed anti-gun legislation, and he hasn't tried to intensify affirmative action. If welfare expenditures have increased, then it is because of a severe downturn in the economy that has nothing to do with some "heritage of welfare dependency". If in 2012 Southern white people see Obama as a black man who has solved some of their economic problems, then we just might see lots of people voting for him because he isn't "that sort" of black man -- the sort that they legitimately fear. (Southern whites have just as much to fear from white crooks, but that is a different story).

Economic despair now knows no regional divide. Texas may have been hit later than Michigan or Ohio, but it has been hit. In the last twenty years, Presidential nominees have tended to campaign in "swing states" and ignore the rest, often on "cultural" issues -- and by "culture" I don't mean Edward Elgar vs. Duke Ellington. Maybe the culture wars over such issues as abortion, gun rights, evolution, and school prayer that used to divide Americans because such issues don't put food on the table, and nobody has been successful in ramming them through.
 

   

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 21, 2010, 10:46:19 AM
Missouri(Rasmussen)

Approve 41%
Disapprove 58%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/missouri/toplines/toplines_2010_missouri_senate_january_19_2010

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 21, 2010, 12:03:50 PM
Pennsylvania(Rasmussen)

Approve 46%
Disapprove 53%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/pennsylvania/toplines_election_2010_pennsylvania_senate_january_18_2010


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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on January 21, 2010, 12:42:50 PM
The today rasmussen polls are very bad for obama and democrats. Probably the massach. effect


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 21, 2010, 01:10:18 PM
The today rasmussen polls are very bad for obama and democrats. Probably the massach. effect

Good question -- what do the Republicans have to offer? They have been long on carping and short on solutions. The solution that the Republicans usually offer (all for the poor, starving plutocrats and executives -- irony intended) doesn't have such appeal when it appears in real life. Nostalgia for Dubya?

President Obama may have gone as far as he can with a liberal agenda to undo as much of the Dubya-era disaster as possible, and when the economic royalists get their way in November, Obama may end up with the role that Bill Clinton got -- keeping the Republicans honest and preventing their most blatant give-aways to crony capitalists, degradations of civil liberties, and intellectual fraud from taking hold.

We shall see soon enough what sort of Senator the newest one is... and if he is another DeMint/Chambliss/Coburn/Imhofe clone or stooge of Mike McConnell, then things might not be so great for the Republicans in November. Driving a truck or hunting moose isn't enough to constitute political wisdom.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on January 21, 2010, 01:14:44 PM
The today rasmussen polls are very bad for obama and democrats. Probably the massach. effect

Good question -- what do the Republicans have to offer? They have been long on carping and short on solutions. The solution that the Republicans usually offer (all for the poor, starving plutocrats and executives -- irony intended) doesn't have such appeal when it appears in real life. Nostalgia for Dubya?

President Obama may have gone as far as he can with a liberal agenda to undo as much of the Dubya-era disaster as possible, and when the economic royalists get their way in November, Obama may end up with the role that Bill Clinton got -- keeping the Republicans honest and preventing their most blatant give-aways to crony capitalists, degradations of civil liberties, and intellectual fraud from taking hold.

We shall see soon enough what sort of Senator the newest one is... and if he is another DeMint/Chambliss/Coburn/Imhofe clone or stooge of Mike McConnell, then things might not be so great for the Republicans in November. Driving a truck or hunting moose isn't enough to constitute political wisdom.

Republicans have solutions. You can disagree with but they exist: stop spend, low tax, waterboarding terrorists, moral values,... Brown has beaten coakley on issues and republicans will  do the same in november.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on January 21, 2010, 01:27:49 PM
Quote
Republicans have solutions. You can disagree with but they exist: stop spend, low tax, waterboarding terrorists, moral values,... Brown has beaten coakley on issues and republicans will  do the same in november.

Oh the irony.






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on January 21, 2010, 01:39:53 PM
Republicans have solutions. You can disagree with but they exist: stop spend, low tax, waterboarding terrorists, moral values,... Brown has beaten coakley on issues and republicans will  do the same in november.

Since when?  I mean, the waterboarding's been done, but I don't think that's a bragging point.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 21, 2010, 01:55:14 PM
The today rasmussen polls are very bad for obama and democrats. Probably the massach. effect

Good question -- what do the Republicans have to offer? They have been long on carping and short on solutions. The solution that the Republicans usually offer (all for the poor, starving plutocrats and executives -- irony intended) doesn't have such appeal when it appears in real life. Nostalgia for Dubya?

President Obama may have gone as far as he can with a liberal agenda to undo as much of the Dubya-era disaster as possible, and when the economic royalists get their way in November, Obama may end up with the role that Bill Clinton got -- keeping the Republicans honest and preventing their most blatant give-aways to crony capitalists, degradations of civil liberties, and intellectual fraud from taking hold.

We shall see soon enough what sort of Senator the newest one is... and if he is another DeMint/Chambliss/Coburn/Imhofe clone or stooge of Mike McConnell, then things might not be so great for the Republicans in November. Driving a truck or hunting moose isn't enough to constitute political wisdom.

Republicans have solutions. You can disagree with but they exist: stop spend, low tax, waterboarding terrorists, moral values,... Brown has beaten coakley on issues and republicans will  do the same in november.



Not so fast. They have different priorities in spending; they heavily support business subsidies and war profiteering. Low taxes? They simply don't raise taxes on the rich, but they usually find ways to shift taxes onto the non-rich. Waterboarding is torture, and when we torture we lose our moral credibility. People who ordered, authorized, or covered up waterboarding belong in a federal prison, ideally with fellow terrorists such as those that we have arrested for involvement in terrorist acts against the United States and its citizens.

Moral values? Like crony capitalism, Jack Abramoff's rip-offs of Indian tribes, lying about weapons of mass destruction to start a war (a war crime in itself!). Of course I already mentioned waterboarding. There have been some credible reports that some of the so-called suicidal hangings at  Guantanamo were in fact manual strangulation -- hangings don't break the hyoid bone, but strangulation invariably does, which is one way in which some murderers are proved.  The outing of Valerie Plame Wilson after her husband contradicted the President's lie that Iraq under Saddam Hussein had prohibited weapons and weapons programs in 2003. Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen rightly rot in a federal prison  for betraying American intelligence agents to the USSR and Russia for personal gain -- shouldn't people rot in prison  for betraying American intelligence agents so that they can corrupt the political process?  

That's before I even discuss marital infidelity (Craig, Vitter, Ensign, Sanford) or personal graft (Cunningham, Nye)

The Dubya era was a moral nadir for America -- one of war-mongering, economic corruption, political intrigue, and intellectual fraud. I hope we remember that in November.

Martha Coakley ran a lackluster campaign. We shall see whether Senator Scott Brown becomes another lockstep GOP hack, and if he does, then that won't look so great in November. He won't be up for re-election, but there will be plenty of Senate seats up.

Of course, if he proves to be a reasonably-independent politician and represents Massachussets values instead of those of hard-right oilmen, ranchers, resource-grabbers, executives, and militarists, then things won't be so bad for Americas. . The GOP used to have such figures as Governor Milliken of Michigan and McCall of Oregon, Senators Brooke, Javits, Weicker, Percy, Chaffee (either one), and Packwood...not to mention Jim Jeffords, and such would be healthy again... but now its stars are people like Saxby Chambliss, Tom Coburn, Jim Imhofe, and Jim DeMint. If Senator Brown takes his direction from Mitch McConnell or becomes a political clone of one of the GOP's Hard Right, then let us hope that the Democrats have a resounding success in November.

I have seen the GOP do it so often in recent times -- find a stealth candidate and have him affect a populist veneer while concealing his loyalty to people who would turn America  into the sort of country in which 90% of the people suffer for 5% and the other 5% are the enforcers of the will of the ruling elite. That's the sort of country many of us had ancestors who fled from -- like Imperial Russia or the Austro-Hungarian Empire, Sicily, feudal principalities in Germany, or Ireland during the potato famine.

We Americans put a stop to that in 2006, and we may prevent its re-appearance in November. God help us if we don't!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 21, 2010, 02:16:01 PM
PPP

46/47


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on January 21, 2010, 02:28:45 PM
The today rasmussen polls are very bad for obama and democrats. Probably the massach. effect

Good question -- what do the Republicans have to offer? They have been long on carping and short on solutions. The solution that the Republicans usually offer (all for the poor, starving plutocrats and executives -- irony intended) doesn't have such appeal when it appears in real life. Nostalgia for Dubya?

President Obama may have gone as far as he can with a liberal agenda to undo as much of the Dubya-era disaster as possible, and when the economic royalists get their way in November, Obama may end up with the role that Bill Clinton got -- keeping the Republicans honest and preventing their most blatant give-aways to crony capitalists, degradations of civil liberties, and intellectual fraud from taking hold.

We shall see soon enough what sort of Senator the newest one is... and if he is another DeMint/Chambliss/Coburn/Imhofe clone or stooge of Mike McConnell, then things might not be so great for the Republicans in November. Driving a truck or hunting moose isn't enough to constitute political wisdom.

Republicans have solutions. You can disagree with but they exist: stop spend, low tax, waterboarding terrorists, moral values,... Brown has beaten coakley on issues and republicans will  do the same in november.

Aye. Failed ones. The party which has proudly championed the economics of elite enrichment, middle class emaciation and wage slavery, more or less since the Golden Age of Capitalism (1950-1973) ended, should be wallowing back in purgatory 1934-style for their sins. Because there is nothing moral about any of that

The post-Depression era has proven that Democrats have presided over more robust economic growth; higher levels of job creation; a greater across the board rise in prosperity and fiscal responsibility. The debt as a % of GDP has consistently been reduced under all Democrats from Truman through to Clinton  - and with Obama almost certainty to be the the exception but only in so far as Bush dealt him the sh**ttiest economic hand since that which Hoover dealt FDR. Nothing that came between, good or bad, even comes close

And, far from winning a special Senate election in Massachusetts, if there were any standards whatsoever, the Republican Party would be at death's door


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on January 21, 2010, 02:31:59 PM
New North Carolina numbers will be out tomorrow, per PPP.  Should be interesting to see where he stands, as he has been performing better (relatively speaking, of course) on the Atlantic Coast than many other parts of the country per recent polling.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 21, 2010, 03:30:19 PM
GOP morality is almost as much an oxymoron as "Mafia ethics".


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 21, 2010, 05:40:16 PM
Georgia(Rasmussen)

Approve 44%
Disapprove 55%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/georgia/toplines/toplines_georgia_governor_january_20_2010

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 21, 2010, 05:58:53 PM
Disaster for Obama in Pennsylvania, but not Georgia:


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 70% Yellow (90% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.



Go figure.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on January 21, 2010, 07:58:24 PM
GOP morality is almost as much an oxymoron as "Mafia ethics".

Wow, you are such a hack.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 22, 2010, 11:12:04 AM
PPP North Carolina

44/50


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on January 22, 2010, 01:10:47 PM
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_122.pdf

That's the source of the new PPP poll stated by Poundingtherock on NC.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on January 22, 2010, 01:25:06 PM
Pretty hilarious how poor his approvals are and yet he still crushes Republicans head-to-head. I suppose America just hates everyone right now. Understandable, really.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on January 22, 2010, 02:07:21 PM
Pretty hilarious how poor his approvals are and yet he still crushes Republicans head-to-head. I suppose America just hates everyone right now. Understandable, really.

no. Huckabee beats (unfortunatly) him by 1 and Romney is trailing by 2.

And for anti-Rasmussen people:

"In 2008, Rasmussen Reports projected nationally that Obama would defeat John McCain by a 52% to 46% margin. Obama won 53% to 46%. Four years earlier, Rasmussen Reports projected the national vote totals for both George W. Bush and John Kerry within half-a-percentage-point.

In Georgia, Rasmussen Reports polled on two races during the 2008 campaign. In the race for president, Rasmussen polling showed McCain defeating Obama 52% to 47%, and McCain won 52% to 47%. In the 2008 Georgia Senate race, Rasmussen polling showed Saxby Chambliss leading Jim Martin 50% to 46% in the general election. Chambliss won 50% to 47%.

In the 2006 governor’s race, Rasmussen polling showed Perdue beating Mark Taylor 57% to 32%. Perdue won 58% to 38%. In the 2004 presidential race, Rasmussen polling in Georgia showed George W. Bush defeating John Kerry by 15 points, 54% to 39%. Bush won by 17, 58% to 41%. In the 2004 Senate race, Rasmussen polling just before Election Day showed Johnny Isakson leading Denise Majette 54% to 42%. Isakson won 58% to 40%. "


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on January 22, 2010, 02:09:22 PM

like Rasmussen...

The party id sample is D +1. Seem correct for me (at least for 2010 elections)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 22, 2010, 02:13:43 PM
North Carolina

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on January 22, 2010, 02:14:35 PM
Republicans have solutions. You can disagree with but they exist: stop spend, low tax, waterboarding terrorists, moral values,... Brown has beaten coakley on issues and republicans will  do the same in november.

Since when?  I mean, the waterboarding's been done, but I don't think that's a bragging point.

cfr Brown. I am convinced that majority of the gop (and american people by the way, cfr rasmussen and pew polls) support waterboarding terrorists. And oppose the guantanamo closing. The Brown spokeman has said that it was an important issue in the election (in massach. !!)

waterboarding, don't close guantanamo,... = strong on national security and the war on terror. A great republican value.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 22, 2010, 03:16:21 PM
Republicans have solutions. You can disagree with but they exist: stop spend, low tax, waterboarding terrorists, moral values,... Brown has beaten coakley on issues and republicans will  do the same in november.

Since when?  I mean, the waterboarding's been done, but I don't think that's a bragging point.

cfr Brown. I am convinced that majority of the gop (and american people by the way, cfr rasmussen and pew polls) support waterboarding terrorists. And oppose the guantanamo closing. The Brown spokeman has said that it was an important issue in the election (in massach. !!)

waterboarding, don't close guantanamo,... = strong on national security and the war on terror. A great republican value.

If a majority of Germans supported persecution of the Jews (if not the Holocaust) in 1939, then would they have been right? When a majority of white people supported segregation and disenfranchisement of blacks with the terrorization of those who opposed those things long into the 1960s, would they have been right? If a majority of people in Salem, Massachusetts in 1692 thought it right to execute "witches", would they have been right?

Waterboarding is torture -- a crime. Jesse Ventura, a (I forget  -- Marine? Special Forces?) veteran said that if he were subjected to waterboarding he would confess to the Tate-LaBianca murders. Heck, I would probably confess to the murder of Bill Clinton (who is very much alive).

We should have closed Guantanamo when evidence leaked of prisoner abuse. It could now be used to house recent denizens of the jail in Port-au-Prince who were given parole by an earthquake that had no legal authority for doing so. The last people that anyone wants on the street in Port-au-Prince would be off the street so that people trying to do humane work would have something less to fear. 

Strong on national security? Sure. Fight the war on terror as resolutely as ever? Of course; al-Qaeda has shown no signs of willingness to moderate its hatred and violence against the United States. We keep our humanity or we ourselves become terrorists.

Silly Rightist -- torture is for despots.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 22, 2010, 03:17:41 PM
North Carolina

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Link on NC?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 22, 2010, 03:24:10 PM
It was mentioned on the last page:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_122.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on January 22, 2010, 03:24:24 PM
Pretty hilarious how poor his approvals are and yet he still crushes Republicans head-to-head. I suppose America just hates everyone right now. Understandable, really.
no. Huckabee beats (unfortunatly) him by 1 and Romney is trailing by 2.

According to the PPP poll which came out after I posted that. The Fox poll has Obama beating Romney, Palin and Gingrich by double digits. I wish they had polled Huckabee.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on January 22, 2010, 03:29:33 PM
Fox News has always been awful at polling, so I doubt it's that far and away. He certainly is leading, though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on January 22, 2010, 04:14:25 PM
When are we going to get polls from Wyoming, Vermont, Mississippi, and WV?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on January 22, 2010, 04:25:12 PM
When are we going to get polls from Wyoming, Vermont, Mississippi, and WV?

I think that it's safe to assume that Vermont is the only one out of the four with positives for Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 22, 2010, 06:00:34 PM
North Carolina

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Link on NC?



http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_122.pdf

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 70% Yellow (90% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow 
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.

I still think that my map looks better  (not so much a political statement as one of esthetics). 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on January 22, 2010, 06:46:43 PM
Republicans have solutions. You can disagree with but they exist: stop spend, low tax, waterboarding terrorists, moral values,... Brown has beaten coakley on issues and republicans will  do the same in november.

Since when?  I mean, the waterboarding's been done, but I don't think that's a bragging point.

cfr Brown. I am convinced that majority of the gop (and american people by the way, cfr rasmussen and pew polls) support waterboarding terrorists. And oppose the guantanamo closing. The Brown spokeman has said that it was an important issue in the election (in massach. !!)

waterboarding, don't close guantanamo,... = strong on national security and the war on terror. A great republican value.

If a majority of Germans supported persecution of the Jews (if not the Holocaust) in 1939, then would they have been right? When a majority of white people supported segregation and disenfranchisement of blacks with the terrorization of those who opposed those things long into the 1960s, would they have been right? If a majority of people in Salem, Massachusetts in 1692 thought it right to execute "witches", would they have been right?

Waterboarding is torture -- a crime. Jesse Ventura, a (I forget  -- Marine? Special Forces?) veteran said that if he were subjected to waterboarding he would confess to the Tate-LaBianca murders. Heck, I would probably confess to the murder of Bill Clinton (who is very much alive).

We should have closed Guantanamo when evidence leaked of prisoner abuse. It could now be used to house recent denizens of the jail in Port-au-Prince who were given parole by an earthquake that had no legal authority for doing so. The last people that anyone wants on the street in Port-au-Prince would be off the street so that people trying to do humane work would have something less to fear. 

Strong on national security? Sure. Fight the war on terror as resolutely as ever? Of course; al-Qaeda has shown no signs of willingness to moderate its hatred and violence against the United States. We keep our humanity or we ourselves become terrorists.

Silly Rightist -- torture is for despots.

Jesse Ventura, what a reference...

Invoke Hitler is the point Goodwin. No discussion is possible. I will just say that americans are not germans, people are educated and there are no proofs that a majority supported jews extermination or witches execution. People are less stupid than you think.

Last, "torture" is a necessity if it can save the life of innocents (you know children, women and so on. People in the real life...). I'm with Jack Bauer on this !


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on January 22, 2010, 07:14:57 PM
Fox News has always been awful at polling, so I doubt it's that far and away. He certainly is leading, though.

Opinion Dynamics isn't too bad.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on January 22, 2010, 07:18:21 PM
Fox News has always been awful at polling, so I doubt it's that far and away. He certainly is leading, though.

Opinion Dynamics isn't too bad.

I guess, but I don't think they are that good. I prefer Gallup.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 22, 2010, 08:34:08 PM
Republicans have solutions. You can disagree with but they exist: stop spend, low tax, waterboarding terrorists, moral values,... Brown has beaten coakley on issues and republicans will  do the same in november.

Since when?  I mean, the waterboarding's been done, but I don't think that's a bragging point.

cfr Brown. I am convinced that majority of the gop (and american people by the way, cfr rasmussen and pew polls) support waterboarding terrorists. And oppose the guantanamo closing. The Brown spokeman has said that it was an important issue in the election (in massach. !!)

waterboarding, don't close guantanamo,... = strong on national security and the war on terror. A great republican value.

If a majority of Germans supported persecution of the Jews (if not the Holocaust) in 1939, then would they have been right? When a majority of white people supported segregation and disenfranchisement of blacks with the terrorization of those who opposed those things long into the 1960s, would they have been right? If a majority of people in Salem, Massachusetts in 1692 thought it right to execute "witches", would they have been right?

Waterboarding is torture -- a crime. Jesse Ventura, a (I forget  -- Marine? Special Forces?) veteran said that if he were subjected to waterboarding he would confess to the Tate-LaBianca murders. Heck, I would probably confess to the murder of Bill Clinton (who is very much alive).

We should have closed Guantanamo when evidence leaked of prisoner abuse. It could now be used to house recent denizens of the jail in Port-au-Prince who were given parole by an earthquake that had no legal authority for doing so. The last people that anyone wants on the street in Port-au-Prince would be off the street so that people trying to do humane work would have something less to fear. 

Strong on national security? Sure. Fight the war on terror as resolutely as ever? Of course; al-Qaeda has shown no signs of willingness to moderate its hatred and violence against the United States. We keep our humanity or we ourselves become terrorists.

Silly Rightist -- torture is for despots.

Jesse Ventura, what a reference...

Invoke Hitler is the point Goodwin. No discussion is possible. I will just say that americans are not germans, people are educated and there are no proofs that a majority supported jews extermination or witches execution. People are less stupid than you think.

Last, "torture" is a necessity if it can save the life of innocents (you know children, women and so on. People in the real life...). I'm with Jack Bauer on this !

You miss the point. I bring up a different fallacy -- the appeal ad populum... that popularity of a position is evidence of its rectitude or truth. At one point, most "civilized" people believed that the Earth is flat and that the sun and stars circle it every 24 hours. That of course is past, and anyone who offers either of those discredited views is now discredited. Don't get me talking about evolution versus creationism.

I didn't bring up Der Phooey; you did. I brought up bigotry -- dehumanizing, dangerous, brutal bigotry. People can fall for mass delusions even if those delusions result in horrible consequences. The idea that torture works is one of them. If you don't want to associate torture with Der Phooey, then let me remind you that some leaders seem to love it -- like Mao Zedong, Agosto Pinochet, and Saddam Hussein.

Do you remember seeing old movies in which some Nazi or Soviet villain says this immortal line:

"Ve haff vays to make you talk!"

It sounds just as menacing in a Russian or German accent. Torture is about to begin, or at the least there is an injection of pentathol.  One dreads either excruciating pain or involuntarily betraying one's buddies.

Torture gets people to talk, but it is unreliable in getting people to tell the truth. People will say whatever causes the torturer insists upon hearing. Someone who truly knows nothing might spew nonsense; a downed flyer might say that the next bomb run is against Stuttgart even if he has no reason to know where the next bomb run will be. Someone suspected of espionage can easily fabricate a name, and if that name is "Peter Schmidt" or "Maria Ivanov"... lots of people  named "Peter Schmidt" or "Maria Ivanov" are going to experience very unpleasant near-death experiences.  


What's wrong with Jesse Ventura? I thought it a good quip. Putting someone in fear of immediate death or even severe injury is good for getting people to do anything. This is a tough fellow, an elite soldier and in turn a pro wrestler, someone well aware of the effects of pain. I am a wimp by comparison; I might confess to a non-existent crime just to avoid a third-degree burn or a compound fracture.  

When we do torture we do evil. Torture is a crime. When someone does unspeakable evil, what one did before that matters little. A murderer, robber, or rapist is above all else the crimes that he does. Yes, I know -- you think that if torture prevents some terrorist act it has justification. Do you believe in preventive retribution -- doing horrible things to people so that they can be prevented from doing something not an immediate threat?

Maybe we have alternatives. We can trick someone intent on committing a crime into believing that the crime has occurred, monitor the response. That's a common FBI trick -- and it does no harm to an innocent person.  



  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 23, 2010, 01:00:08 PM
Rasmussen 44/55

Gallup 47/47

Both record lows.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 23, 2010, 01:55:49 PM
The SOTU speech should be interesting. We will get to see President Obama at what he does best .

Does he have more? Can he address the economic morass?

The stock market has had three bad days. Maybe the bankers have more ability to mess with politics than politics has ability to mess with them. 

Campaign reform may be a matter of political survival in view of Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 23, 2010, 02:13:23 PM
Obama's speeches are inconsistent.  He's on sometimes, off sometimes.

Just see the polling for his race speech.  It was horrible.

Link (http://www.southernpoliticalreport.com/downloads/uploaded/29_InsiderAdvantage_Majority_Opinion_Obama_Speech_poll%20(3-20-08).pdf)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on January 23, 2010, 02:44:08 PM
Rasmussen 44/55

Gallup 47/47

Both record lows.

Actually, he had 44/56 for Ras before.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 25, 2010, 01:31:24 PM
Obama in Nevada

Daily KOs/Reserch 2K

Favorable/unfavorable: 45/50

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2010/1/20/NV/432


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 25, 2010, 01:34:12 PM
Obama approval rating for Rasmussen in Arizona and Indiana

Indiana: 43/56

Arizona: 43/57


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 25, 2010, 04:23:01 PM
Arizona and Indiana updated

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on January 25, 2010, 04:40:14 PM
Seems to be hitting a low right now, I'd like to see some more polling on WI and PA.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 25, 2010, 05:42:58 PM
Indiana no change, Arizona added. Both are competitive, and the Republican nominee will be unable to win with either competitive. Arizona, so far as I know, has never voted for a Democratic nominee in a Republican victory of the Presidency, and Indiana  hasn't voted Democratic in a Republican win since the  nineteenth century.

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 70% Yellow (90% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow 
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.

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A strong GOP candidate would defeat President Obama in a landslide reminiscent of Reagan in 1980. Mediocre-to-poor, which is about all I see, loses.

Sources on Arizona and Indiana, please?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 25, 2010, 06:07:40 PM
Sources:

Link AZ Governor (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/arizona/election_2010_arizona_governor)

Link IN Senate (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/indiana/election_2010_indiana_senate)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: GOP732 on January 26, 2010, 11:40:27 AM

This map is bleeding, Obama needs to find a way to stop the hemorrhage.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on January 26, 2010, 12:46:14 PM
I suspect that map to grow darker red over time


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 26, 2010, 01:48:17 PM
Delaware (Rasmussen):

50% Approve
49% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Delaware was conducted by Rasmussen Reports January 25, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/delaware/toplines/toplines_delaware_senate_january_25_2010)

Florida (Quinnipiac University):

45% Approve
49% Disapprove

From January 20 - 24, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,618 Florida voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.4 percentage points. The survey includes 673 Republicans with a margin of error of +/- 3.8 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1417


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 26, 2010, 04:40:08 PM
Delaware new, Florida update, Nevada no change. A tie disappears.

This is not how an incumbent wants approvals going into an election... if 33 hours can be an agony on election night with a critical state in the balance, and 33 days going into the election can be a seeming eternity, then what is 33 months?

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I think my map more esthetically attractive than that of Rowan Brandon, if similarly accurate and relevant. The situation that this shows isn't pretty for either Democrats (including Obama) or Republicans. If I see any pattern, it is that the state-to-state polarization is shrinking. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on January 26, 2010, 04:57:36 PM
if 33 hours can be an agony on election night with a critical state in the balance, and 33 days going into the election can be a seeming eternity, then what is 33 months?

Totally irrelevant.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 26, 2010, 05:12:54 PM
On Rasmussen, Obama's positive and negative numbers have not moved out of a 5 point range since the first week of December.

He's been at 46.5% +/- 2.5 points.  It is remarkably stable.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 26, 2010, 05:38:16 PM
On Rasmussen, Obama's positive and negative numbers have not moved out of a 5 point range since the first week of December.

He's been at 46.5% +/- 2.5 points.  It is remarkably stable.

46.5% approval is enough to win re-election.

Does anyone notice that American involvement in Iraq has been shrinking? It is increasing in Afghanistan, which is to be expected.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 26, 2010, 05:47:27 PM


46.5% approval is enough to win re-election.

Does anyone notice that American involvement in Iraq has been shrinking? It is increasing in Afghanistan, which is to be expected.

I'm not exactly ready to write Obama off.  Iraq was a 2004 issue and will shrink or disappear by 2012, unless something really goes bad.  The problems is Iran and possibly Yemen.

Iraq could come back if Iran attempts to intervene.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 26, 2010, 07:21:54 PM
One think that should be noted is Obama's negative numbers are tending to higher than for other presidents as the same point.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 27, 2010, 01:06:29 AM
One think that should be noted is Obama's negative numbers are tending to higher than for other presidents as the same point.

A negative vote from someone who thinks the President the reincarnation of Josef Stalin counts just as much as someone who simply thinks him a little weaker than the opponent.

In 2012 it likely comes down to the GOTV drives.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on January 27, 2010, 08:47:17 AM
On Rasmussen, Obama's positive and negative numbers have not moved out of a 5 point range since the first week of December.

He's been at 46.5% +/- 2.5 points.  It is remarkably stable.

46.5% approval is enough to win re-election.

Does anyone notice that American involvement in Iraq has been shrinking? It is increasing in Afghanistan, which is to be expected.

it's not enough,  if the republican candidate is good.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 27, 2010, 10:09:03 AM
Florida and Delaware updated

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 27, 2010, 10:49:43 AM
One think that should be noted is Obama's negative numbers are tending to higher than for other presidents as the same point.

A negative vote from someone who thinks the President the reincarnation of Josef Stalin counts just as much as someone who simply thinks him a little weaker than the opponent.

In 2012 it likely comes down to the GOTV drives.

No, there is something more.  Look at Obama's Strongly Approve and Approve numbers on Rasmussen.  Over the last month, they been about 20 points apart.  Strongly Disapprove and Disapprove have been around 12 points apart.  His current supporters tend to be weaker in their support, and his detractors tend to be stronger.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

And, you can look at it historically, on Gallup.

Reagan had the lowest the approval number of any elected postwar president at this point in his presidency, 49%.  He had a disapproval rate of 40%.  Obama has a 50% approval at the same time, and a 45% disapproval.  Even when Reagan had approval numbers around 47%, his disapproval numbers were still about five points lower than his approval numbers.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/presidential-approval-tracker.htm

I'm saying Obama is tending to be more polarizing; the people that don't like him really don't like him.  The people like him, really don't like him all that much.

Now, Obama can win if even those don't feel really strongly supportive of him vote for him, but if things go badly, he may be very likely to lose those weakly supportive of him.

BTW:  I'm not in the group that strongly disapproves as of yet.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 27, 2010, 01:55:57 PM
Pennsylvania (F & M):

38% Excellent/Good
61% Fair/Poor

http://edisk.fandm.edu/FLI/keystone/pdf/keyjan10_1.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on January 27, 2010, 02:05:28 PM
Pennsylvania (F & M):

38% Excellent/Good
61% Fair/Poor

http://edisk.fandm.edu/FLI/keystone/pdf/keyjan10_1.pdf

lol POLLFAIL!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on January 27, 2010, 02:07:04 PM
Pennsylvania (F & M):

38% Excellent/Good
61% Fair/Poor

http://edisk.fandm.edu/FLI/keystone/pdf/keyjan10_1.pdf

This definitely deserves one of pbrower's "S" marks.  Or just ignore it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 27, 2010, 02:11:01 PM
Pennsylvania (F & M):

38% Excellent/Good
61% Fair/Poor

http://edisk.fandm.edu/FLI/keystone/pdf/keyjan10_1.pdf

This definitely deserves one of pbrower's "S" marks.  Or just ignore it.

I´m not so sure, because many people who say "fair" in this poll might actually vote "approve" in a "approve/disapprove" poll.

Excellent/Good numbers always tend to be lower than Approve/Disapprove numbers (Rasmussen showed 46% of PAians approve of Obama just recently).

Anyway RB and PB: Excellent/Good polls shouldn't be added to the map.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 27, 2010, 02:16:07 PM
I've never used E/G/F/P in my maps.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 27, 2010, 02:40:11 PM
Pennsylvania (F & M):

38% Excellent/Good
61% Fair/Poor

http://edisk.fandm.edu/FLI/keystone/pdf/keyjan10_1.pdf

lol POLLFAIL!

F & M is one of the top polls for PA.  I'm not happy with the categories, however.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 27, 2010, 02:55:07 PM
Pennsylvania (F & M):

38% Excellent/Good
61% Fair/Poor

http://edisk.fandm.edu/FLI/keystone/pdf/keyjan10_1.pdf

This definitely deserves one of pbrower's "S" marks.  Or just ignore it.


As an EGFP result it can be rejected as such, but the strange write-up (unusually enthusiastic toward Republican candidates) brings to question its genuineness. I have no idea what "the most likely voters" means. There will be outliers, and there will be partisan polls (indeed, I accepted a partisan poll by a Republican organization in January because the state in question rarely gets polled).

Indeed it gets harsher treatment than my "S" -- complete rejection.




 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on January 28, 2010, 09:34:28 AM
Obama at 46% approve, 54% disapprove in Wisconsin among 2010 likely voters.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/wisconsin/toplines/toplines_wisconsin_senate_january_26_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on January 28, 2010, 09:51:38 AM
It looks like a small bump is over. Some of the states that were seeming to come back to Obama's column are dropping again.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 28, 2010, 11:22:26 AM
Wisconsin updated

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 28, 2010, 01:52:39 PM
Great day for the American Right:

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The last time that Wisconsin was competitive for the GOP, Kerry was the nominee.

What does the Hard Right have to offer, anyway?





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on January 28, 2010, 02:23:23 PM
I wouldn't worry about it pbrower, Wisconsin won't go Red in 2012 anyway unless Obama continues as a train wreck, which is unlikely.  Some good legislation is bound to pass at some point, or the economy is bound to turn around.  My thoughts anyway...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 28, 2010, 02:54:42 PM
Iowa (Rasmussen):

44% Approve
54% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Iowa was conducted by Rasmussen Reports January 26, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/iowa/toplines/toplines_2010_election_iowa_senate_january_26_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on January 28, 2010, 03:46:07 PM
I think he'll probably get a small SOTU bump. It won't last long though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 28, 2010, 04:03:16 PM
I think he'll probably get a small SOTU bump. It won't last long though.

Somebody posted an average and said that there wouldn't be even a short term bump.  I wouldn't read too much into a "no bump," if that happens.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 28, 2010, 04:08:04 PM
Iowa Updated

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Duke on January 28, 2010, 05:19:18 PM
The last time that Wisconsin was competitive for the GOP, Kerry was the nominee.

You mean a whole six years ago?  Yeah, that is a long time.

What does the Hard Right have to offer, anyway?

Free ice cream.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 28, 2010, 05:37:59 PM
More trouble for President Obama in the Rust Belt (Iowa):

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on January 28, 2010, 05:47:12 PM
Iowa is not in the Rust Belt. You are in the real Rust Belt, and you didn't know Iowa wasn't...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 28, 2010, 05:53:50 PM
Rocky Mountain poll Arizona

http://www.brcpolls.com/10/RMP%202010-I-02.pdf

Obama: 40% excellent/good
35% very poor/poor
18% fair


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lahbas on January 28, 2010, 06:31:01 PM
There is going to be a small bump that is for certain. The problem however is that even though people might know that the President is trying to do his best, he is not doing it well. Therefore, this bump will probably not last long if the economic trend holds. In my opinion, his approval is likely going to enter the thirties and bottom out there by the end of the year. His current economic policies MAY produce another recession, which he will be blamed for, specifically his proposed taxes on the banks. Another stimulus will likely be introduced, which also won't be popular, and possibly will be rejected by the Senate by a narrow margin, due to the 2010 elections. At the same time I would not put it past them to pass a third stimulus, though it could potentially be filibustered.

The year has, in a way, begun well for Obama, but it is likely to get much worse before it gets any better. After 2010, the Republican House, or the Divided Congress, will make Obama's work even more difficult, and instead of blaming Congress, they will continue to blame the President. At that point, his major problem will be appealing to the Left of the Democratic Party, since he will be forced to further moderate his views. While this will help him with independent voters, his already shaky support among the Left will degrade, likely prompting a challenge in the primaries (assuming his approval ratings are still low in the middle of 2011). At this point, there is also the question of whether or not he would even WANT another term, in which case the field is wide open (Biden would be considered too close to Obama, and generally too old to run for the Presidency). Obama will find it really difficult to win reelection with a Republican House, since little can be accomplished without both the approval of the House and the President.

Even in the case of a successful economy, which I doubt, there is the problem of Afghanistan. If the situation degrades regardless of the surge, and the President is not able to follow his timeline.........enough is said. Like how President Bush went down with the War in Iraq, it is likely that President Obama will go down with the War in Afghanistan in this event. I hope that will not be the case, but since the Taliban have a fairly safe base in Warzistan, we will have to see.

In any situation, Obama has a REALLY tough road ahead of him, and his Charisma can only do so much before it, to the voter, appears nothing more than rhetoric.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 28, 2010, 06:42:59 PM
Iowa is not in the Rust Belt. You are in the real Rust Belt, and you didn't know Iowa wasn't...

Iowa has much heavy industry.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on January 28, 2010, 07:01:44 PM
In my opinion, his approval is likely going to enter the thirties and bottom out there by the end of the year.


If his approval goes into the thirties (which I don't think it will) the midterms are going to be an absolute bloodbath.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on January 28, 2010, 07:01:58 PM
Iowa is not in the Rust Belt. You are in the real Rust Belt, and you didn't know Iowa wasn't...

Iowa has much heavy industry.

This is the rust belt... link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_Belt)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 28, 2010, 07:16:43 PM
In my opinion, his approval is likely going to enter the thirties and bottom out there by the end of the year.


If his approval goes into the thirties (which I don't think it will) the midterms are going to be an absolute bloodbath.

Actually, at about the time the of the 1994 elections, Clinton had 46% approval and 46% disapproval.  Obama has, in the same poll, 50% approval and 45% disapproval, at this time.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on January 28, 2010, 08:47:42 PM
Iowa is not in the Rust Belt. You are in the real Rust Belt, and you didn't know Iowa wasn't...

Iowa has much heavy industry.

So does China.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on January 29, 2010, 01:35:57 AM
There is going to be a small bump that is for certain. The problem however is that even though people might know that the President is trying to do his best, he is not doing it well. Therefore, this bump will probably not last long if the economic trend holds. In my opinion, his approval is likely going to enter the thirties and bottom out there by the end of the year. His current economic policies MAY produce another recession, which he will be blamed for, specifically his proposed taxes on the banks. Another stimulus will likely be introduced, which also won't be popular, and possibly will be rejected by the Senate by a narrow margin, due to the 2010 elections. At the same time I would not put it past them to pass a third stimulus, though it could potentially be filibustered.

The year has, in a way, begun well for Obama, but it is likely to get much worse before it gets any better. After 2010, the Republican House, or the Divided Congress, will make Obama's work even more difficult, and instead of blaming Congress, they will continue to blame the President. At that point, his major problem will be appealing to the Left of the Democratic Party, since he will be forced to further moderate his views. While this will help him with independent voters, his already shaky support among the Left will degrade, likely prompting a challenge in the primaries (assuming his approval ratings are still low in the middle of 2011). At this point, there is also the question of whether or not he would even WANT another term, in which case the field is wide open (Biden would be considered too close to Obama, and generally too old to run for the Presidency). Obama will find it really difficult to win reelection with a Republican House, since little can be accomplished without both the approval of the House and the President.

Even in the case of a successful economy, which I doubt, there is the problem of Afghanistan. If the situation degrades regardless of the surge, and the President is not able to follow his timeline.........enough is said. Like how President Bush went down with the War in Iraq, it is likely that President Obama will go down with the War in Afghanistan in this event. I hope that will not be the case, but since the Taliban have a fairly safe base in Warzistan, we will have to see.

In any situation, Obama has a REALLY tough road ahead of him, and his Charisma can only do so much before it, to the voter, appears nothing more than rhetoric.


If Republicans win the House, Obama will be a lock for reelection.  He will be able to pin the blame for the nations problems on the Republican House. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 29, 2010, 01:37:52 AM
2 Internet Polls:

YouGov/Polimetrix

45% Approve
49% Disapprove

http://media.economist.com/images/pdf/Tabs20100127.pdf

Harris Interactive

40% Excellent/Good
60% Fair/Poor

http://news.harrisinteractive.com/profiles/investor/ResLibraryView.asp?BzID=1963&ResLibraryID=35721&Category=1777


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 29, 2010, 09:03:03 AM
A reminder: interactive polls are worthless.

Many people do not have internet connections,  nobody is able to screen participants for age, and nobody is able to screen away multiple votes.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on January 29, 2010, 11:56:07 AM
A reminder: interactive polls are worthless.

Many people do not have internet connections,  nobody is able to screen participants for age, and nobody is able to screen away multiple votes.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 29, 2010, 12:20:03 PM
PPP(D) Alaska

Obama 37/56

Let's just say that Obama won't get a more favorable sample than what PPP(D) gave him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on January 29, 2010, 12:36:30 PM
PPP(D) Alaska

Obama 37/56

Let's just say that Obama won't get a more favorable sample than what PPP(D) gave him.

Begich's approval was also about the same level which was unsuprising, I gotta say.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bo on January 29, 2010, 01:50:13 PM
PPP(D) Alaska

Obama 37/56

Let's just say that Obama won't get a more favorable sample than what PPP(D) gave him.

Begich's approval was also about the same level which was unsuprising, I gotta say.

It's easy for Begich to have low approvals when a "Chicago librul" is in the White House.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 29, 2010, 01:58:30 PM
Some updates:

North Carolina (Rasmussen):

48% Approve
52% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in North Carolina was conducted by Rasmussen Reports, January 27, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/north_carolina/toplines/toplines_2010_north_carolina_senate_january_27_2010

Florida (Rasmussen):

42% Approve
58% Disapprove

This state telephone survey of 1,000 Likely Voters in the state of Florida was conducted by Rasmussen Reports on January 27, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/florida/toplines/toplines_2010_florida_governor_race_january_27_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 29, 2010, 02:55:28 PM
Alaska, North Carolina, and Florida updated

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 29, 2010, 03:17:15 PM
Alaska doesn't get polled often, so this one is likely to stick for some time. It goes for Obama only if the oil industry goes for him.


Florida and North Carolina have updates as well, and both are absolute must-wins for any GOP nominee. They basically trade places.

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 70% Yellow (90% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on January 29, 2010, 09:36:17 PM
lol @ the Harris poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 30, 2010, 04:33:22 AM
Michigan (EPIC-MRA):

Overall, how would you rate the job being done by Barack Obama as President - would you give him a positive rating of excellent or pretty good, or a negative rating of just fair or poor?

41% Positive
58% Negative

Now, I would like to read a list of several political figures. For each one, please tell me if you recognize the name, and if you do, whether you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of that person.

Total Favorable: 50%
Total Unfavorable: 44%

http://www.wxyz.com/news/story/Exclusive-Poll-Race-for-Michigan-Governor/6nIgarXkF0i6bw7bdzLAYw.cspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 30, 2010, 05:12:41 AM
Begich's best bet in 2014 is for Obama to lose in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on January 30, 2010, 12:29:44 PM
Looks like there is a slight bump, but still a lot of skeptical folks.

Rasmussen has him at 49\51. They say most of the bump in approval comes from Democrats. "Approval among Democrats grew from 81% before Wednesday’s speech to 90% over the past two nights."

"On the morning of the speech, 50% of Democrats Strongly Approved of the President’s performance. On the two nights following the speech, that number jumped to 65%. There was essentially no change among Republican and unaffiliated voters. "

Rasmussen polling on specific issues on the speech:

"However, just 21% of voters nationwide believe that taxes have been cut for 95% of Americans. Most (53%) say it has not happened, and 26% are not sure."

"The president also asserted that “after two years of recession, the economy is growing again.” Just 35% of voters believe that statement is true, while 50% say it is false."

"Obama claimed that steps taken by his team are responsible for putting two million people to work “who would otherwise be unemployed.” Just 27% of voters say that statement is true. Fifty-one percent (51%) say it's false. "

Now, Gallup has Obama at 48\45, up from 47\47 prior to the speech.



 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 30, 2010, 01:51:47 PM
Gallup is 47/47 today. No bump at all.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 30, 2010, 02:00:25 PM
Michigan (EPIC-MRA):

Overall, how would you rate the job being done by Barack Obama as President - would you give him a positive rating of excellent or pretty good, or a negative rating of just fair or poor?

41% Positive
58% Negative

Now, I would like to read a list of several political figures. For each one, please tell me if you recognize the name, and if you do, whether you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of that person.

Total Favorable: 50%
Total Unfavorable: 44%

http://www.wxyz.com/news/story/Exclusive-Poll-Race-for-Michigan-Governor/6nIgarXkF0i6bw7bdzLAYw.cspx

Michigan is ungovernable.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 30, 2010, 02:35:09 PM
Gallup is 47/47 today. No bump at all.

Rasmussen showed an increase on its daily, but the approval numbers are still in that 44%-49% range, though at the lower end.  If he hits 50 tomorrow or Monday, it probably is the "slight bounce."  Also if he can hold 49% for three days or more, it would be an improvement and could mark a slight bounce.

I really think we have to wait at least three days before hailing Obama's comeback or start the resignation watch.  ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 30, 2010, 02:37:45 PM
Actually, Gallup is showing somewhat of a negative bounce from his SOTU address.

That's disastrous for Obama to get no bounce or a negative bounce from a primetime speech.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 30, 2010, 02:54:40 PM
Actually, Gallup is showing somewhat of a negative bounce from his SOTU address.

That's disastrous for Obama to get no bounce or a negative bounce from a primetime speech.

No, not really.  Some other poster noted that there was a negative effect or very little effect.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 31, 2010, 02:51:37 AM
Actually, Gallup is showing somewhat of a negative bounce from his SOTU address.

That's disastrous for Obama to get no bounce or a negative bounce from a primetime speech.

No, not really.  Some other poster noted that there was a negative effect or very little effect.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 31, 2010, 03:03:27 AM
So you are now conceding that Obama is no better than other Presidents at changing public opinion through his speeches?

If so, that's quite a concession since that was allegedly one of his greatest stregths as a candidate.  If he's not able to move the needle any better than any other President, it's tough to see what he can use to turn it around considering that he lacks the abilities of other Presidents on things other than speeches.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on January 31, 2010, 05:44:03 AM
Actually, Gallup is showing somewhat of a negative bounce from his SOTU address.

That's disastrous for Obama to get no bounce or a negative bounce from a primetime speech.

Gallup is not a reliable source.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 31, 2010, 08:58:00 AM
Some bounce for Obama on Rasmussen:

50% Approve (+4)
50% Disapprove (-4)

"That’s up four points since the morning of the speech and is the first time his approval has reached 50% among likely voters since November 16."

33% Strongly Approve (+8)
40% Strongly Disapprove (-2)

"This is the first update based entirely upon interviews conducted since the State-of-the-Union Address and it reflects a bounce for the President. The number who Strongly Approve is the highest in more than four months (since September) and the overall Approval Index rating is the best in more than three months (since October). The bounce comes almost entirely from those in the president’s party. Sixty-four percent (64%) of Democrats now Strongly Approve, up from 50% before the speech. However, the speech appears to have had the opposite impact on unaffiliated voters. Among those not affiliated with either major party, 50% now Strongly Disapprove. That’s up from 42% before the speech. The next few days should give an indication as to whether these changes will fade or if they signify the beginning of a new phase in the political environment."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 31, 2010, 10:14:20 AM
This marks the first time since I think the first week in 12/09 that Obama's Approval, Disapproval, and Strongly Approve numbers were out of a 2.5 point range on Rasmussen.

The strongly disapproval numbers, however, are still in that range.  The 40% is not out of that range.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on January 31, 2010, 10:25:50 AM
Folks, there's a couple of possible reasons why Rasmussen and Gallup are diverging, separate from:

a) the usual sampling error inherent in polls (and that error would correct itself soon enough, anyways) and perhaps, just as importantly,
b) the weekday vs. weekend partisan swings that historically Gallup has (Rasmussen weights a lot of this out). 

These last two reasons mean that Obama may have had a bounce - or maybe not.  Pop Quiz - can anyone tell me why both things could occur?

Anyway, the two reasons separate from the above usual reasons are not particularly good for Obama, if they are actually occurring.  One of them (#2) is particularly bad, actually.  Listed below:

1) Democrats were energized positively by the SOTU; Republicans/conservative (or Obama disapproving) Indys were energized even stronger, so much so that appear in greater numbers in the polls after the speech.  Gallup doesn't weight by party, so these swings would appear in the poll, whereas they would get weighted out by Rasmussen, resulting in the Democratic positive enthusiasm remaining in the poll, where the other gets weighted out.

2) Most Democrats were energized positively by the SOTU, but some Democrats were energized negatively by the speech, such that they either didn't respond to the poll or respond to the poll, identify as Indys and say they're neutral or disapprove.  Once again, this swing in "party ID" that would result would get weighted out by Rasmussen, but would appear in Gallup.

We should know more in about a week or so as to whether the normal polling factors are at play or whether the two other reasons dominate.

So, Republicans partisans can believe in the good reasons (for them) and Democrats can believe good reasons (for them) and we can all be happy.

Nevertheless, I suspect all of this washes away in a few weeks, regardless of which reason is the cause.

Btw, lastly, these two "other" reasons should always be in the back of your mind should Gallup and Rasmussen diverge as such and should always be remembered whenever you face polls weighted by party vs. polls not weighted by party because they're a bit counterintuitive.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 31, 2010, 02:59:57 PM
So you are now conceding that Obama is no better than other Presidents at changing public opinion through his speeches?

Of course he needs to translate his rhetoric into desirable results. The translation is known as "public administration", a dry topic. It's not enough to excoriate crime if one wants to reduce it; one must get the means with which to fight crime and use them effectively. Neither is it enough to say "a chicken in every pot" (Herbert Hoover) as a statement of economic objectives.

In 2012 Obama runs on his successful record and wins, or runs from a failed record and loses. If he is a failure in 2012, then the Right will surely offer its mirror image of Obama's speeches with calls to sacrifice (cream for the tycoon's cat comes before milk for the worker's daughter). If he is a success, then Obama reshapes the political discourse for an indefinite time.

The political rhetoric is the only means of reaching the general public. Most people aren't involved in public administration, in the military, or diplomacy. The Federal Reserve may have more role in deciding how the economy works -- at least as the President allows it to work -- than any single person.

President Obama is masterful at telling people what they want to hear. How good is he in getting results? Time will tell.  As I see it, enough Senate Democrats are in political danger that he will need to do some campaigning. I can't predict what he can do for someone like Blanche Lincoln in Arkansas -- but who knows? It's a long time until November 2011. Can anyone give a good prediction of unemployment and the stock market numbers will be?

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If so, that's quite a concession since that was allegedly one of his greatest stregths as a candidate.  If he's not able to move the needle any better than any other President, it's tough to see what he can use to turn it around considering that he lacks the abilities of other Presidents on things other than speeches.

Since November 2008, President Obama has had few opportunities to do what he does best. If giving stirring, long-winded speeches were enough for governing a country adeptly, then Fidel Castro would be the world's greatest leader. Castro's Cuba leaves overpowering evidence that stirring, long-winded speeches are far from enough.

President Obama must still push legislation as if he has only two years in which to make a difference. He will have to convince his majority in Congress -- and us -- of its necessity. Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission may have ensured that the 111st Congress is the last liberal Congress for a very long time.

Or is it? President Obama did go to the Republican Caucus in Baltimore for a question-and-answer session with cameras rolling, and he deftly eviscerated some of the talking points of Congressional Republicans. The GOP needs some fresh talking points if it is to make significant gains in November. .   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on February 01, 2010, 07:15:40 AM
President Obama must still push legislation as if he has only two years in which to make a difference. He will have to convince his majority in Congress -- and us -- of its necessity. Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission may have ensured that the 111st Congress is the last liberal Congress for a very long time.

Or is it? President Obama did go to the Republican Caucus in Baltimore for a question-and-answer session with cameras rolling, and he deftly eviscerated some of the talking points of Congressional Republicans. The GOP needs some fresh talking points if it is to make significant gains in November. .   

You seem to be either contradicting yourself....or trying to make sure an accurate prediction is in there somewhere.

If Democrats lose the midterms badly, you'll blame it on the Supreme Court ruling. If Democrats win or lose less badly than expected, you'll demonstrate that you wisely predicted that Republicans would need new talking points to win.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 01, 2010, 10:47:31 AM
Rasmussen showed a about a 10 point gain in Strongly Approve.  His Strongly Disapprove numbers are still within the 2.5 point range, though down by 3 from before the SOTU.

The SOTU probably rallied the base, but it doesn't look like it moved the others.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on February 01, 2010, 11:30:55 AM

The SOTU probably rallied the base, but it doesn't look like it moved the others.

Agreed.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 01, 2010, 12:37:07 PM
President Obama must still push legislation as if he has only two years in which to make a difference. He will have to convince his majority in Congress -- and us -- of its necessity. Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission may have ensured that the 111st Congress is the last liberal Congress for a very long time.

Or is it? President Obama did go to the Republican Caucus in Baltimore for a question-and-answer session with cameras rolling, and he deftly eviscerated some of the talking points of Congressional Republicans. The GOP needs some fresh talking points if it is to make significant gains in November. .   

You seem to be either contradicting yourself....or trying to make sure an accurate prediction is in there somewhere.

If Democrats lose the midterms badly, you'll blame it on the Supreme Court ruling. If Democrats win or lose less badly than expected, you'll demonstrate that you wisely predicted that Republicans would need new talking points to win.


Prediction is more an art than a science. Elections depend upon multiple factors, some contradicting the others, and some more powerful than others.  Will the political talents of Barack Obama be strong enough to counteract the effect of a mass of hostile advertising? Ask again in November as the 112th Congress comes into view.

The usual cause for the fall of a majority in Congress is some combination of arrogance, complacency, and corruption by the majority about to take a fall. If one looks at the 1994 and 2006 elections, one sees much of those three traits in the majority. How long does it take for a Congressional majority to become arrogant, complacent, and corrupt? Such ordinarily takes more than the four years in which the Democrats will have held a majority.

It takes time for elected officials to start getting away with bad deeds, and some more time for the effects to become obvious and for the bad ones to get caught. It also takes tome for some of the less desirable political figures -- mediocre figures who aren't up to the tasks, people in fringe districts elected for the wrong reasons, people who can't vote with the sentiments of their districts -- who get exposed for their weaknesses and become unelectable. Wave elections bring some substandard politicians, and the next wave drives them out.

2010 is probably too early for a Republican wave election. In 2012 such is more likely, and by 2014... very likely. The Republican wave election of 1994 took twelve years to undo.  Does anyone expect the wave election of 2006 to be done in a mere four?  

Nobody gets elected on the promise of becoming a corrupt politician or for failing the usual standards.  The fall ordinarily requires that the Other Side have coherent alternatives -- and those take time to develop.  

People vote, and nobody threatens them with job loss, bodily harm, fines, professional disqualification, or imprisonment should they vote "wrong". Maybe some of us have exaggerated the effects of Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission ; the Corporate Right must have some coherent message to voters who might otherwise vote for Democrats. Political propaganda devoid of credibility, as shown in the extreme by the broadcasts of "Lord Haw-Haw" from the Third Reich to Britain during World War II, is worse than useless in achieving its objectives.        



Reality, especially political reality itself is full of contradictions.  

Personalities and their talents matter greatly. If you didn't think so, then you probably didn't vote in the 2008 election if eligible. The leadership of political parties also matters greatly.    


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 01, 2010, 01:43:22 PM
Rasmussen showed a about a 10 point gain in Strongly Approve.  His Strongly Disapprove numbers are still within the 2.5 point range, though down by 3 from before the SOTU.

The SOTU probably rallied the base, but it doesn't look like it moved the others.


Here is the source:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

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Monday, February 01, 2010

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 35% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. That’s the highest level of strong approval for the President in more than seven months and reflects a significant bounce following the State-of-the-Union address. Before the speech, just 27% voiced strong approval.

Thirty-nine percent (39%) now Strongly Disapprove down from 42% before the speech. Putting it all together gives Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -4. That’s the President’s best Approval Index rating in months. In fact, he’s earned a better rating on only two days in the past six months (see trends).

When tracking President Obama’s job approval on a daily basis, people sometimes get so caught up in the day-to-day fluctuations that they miss the bigger picture. To look at the longer-term trends, Rasmussen Reports compiles the numbers on a full-month basis. For the full-month of January, the President’s Approval Index rating improved a point to -14. That’s the first time his numbers have improved since September.

The President’s recent gains have come from firing up his base and one of the keys to Election 2010 will be to see whether he can maintain this increased level of enthusiasm. If he does, Republican gains could be less than some are now projecting. On the other hand, if the improvement turns out to be just a short-term bounce, then the GOP may enjoy better prospects. New polling out today shows that Republicans continue to have the edge in the Florida Senate race.

It's 49/50 with "likely voters", as Rasmussen determines them 33 months before the election. We need remember that some of those "likely voters" will die or go senile, and that some of the voters of 2012 are now only 15 years and 3 months old.

Those who actually watched the SOTU address may be a self-selecting sample, but note well that those who "strongly approve" rose by 10%, and those who "strongly disapprove" went down by 3%. Because there can be no tangible improvements in the lives of so many people in the space of five days, I can only believe that something like this happened:

Strongly Approve                                  27%      35% 
Slightly Approve                                    20%      14%
Slightly disapprove                               10%      11%
Strongly disapprove                             42%      39%

The difference between 47-52 and  49-50 is the difference between a nailbiter election and one similar to 2008 if there is no difference in the distribution of votes (and the latter is much in question). The bump looks like enough to suggest that most states would move up one shade in a map of approvals.  That may mostly look like "strongly approve" cannibalizing "slightly approve", 

I do not use daily tracking polls to force changes on my map of statewide polls.  The trend from the third full week of January to February 1 suggests only one thing: that when Barack Obama is in campaign mode, he convinces people who need to be convinced if he is to be re-elected. 

Sure, I recognize that those who still despise him (surely in the "strongly disapprove" category) were more likely to not watch his SOTU address or his even more impressive question-and-answer session with the GOP caucus (the latter not having had time to affect the daily tracking poll)... but even at that, when he gets his campaign message out to the public, he wins. This time it is the same message to Oklahoma (where he got crushed), Missouri (bare loss), Indiana (bare win), Virginia (decisive win in 2008 but iffy now), and Maryland  (where he won by a large margin).

I dare not predict how my map will look when we start seeing many statewide polls with the letter "B" attached for any single state -- but right now I expect mine to be greener by the middle of February. We have just gotten a fresh view of Barack Obama, campaigner, and we now see a pattern for a win. In 2008 he could ignore a state like Arkansas or Kentucky; in 2010 he may need Senate votes in 2011 now held by Blanche Lincoln (D) and Jim Bunning (R) to achieve what remains of his legislative agenda in 2011 and 2012.                           


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on February 01, 2010, 02:28:43 PM
Obama approval January 2010 (Gallup):

49% approve

44% disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 54/28 (January 1978)

Reagan: 48/41 (January 1982)

Bush I: 80/11 (January 1990)

Clinton: 55/37 (January 1994)

Bush II: 84/13 (January 2002)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on February 01, 2010, 03:59:01 PM
Obama favorable/unfavorable in Florida: 51/45

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/files/2-10-fl-sw---crists-quandary.pdf

The sample is 40/37 Democrat/Republican...so it's a general election sample.  It appears that Democrats are now enthused to vote this November but are still losing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 01, 2010, 05:46:38 PM
Obama favorable/unfavorable in Florida: 51/45

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/files/2-10-fl-sw---crists-quandary.pdf

The sample is 40/37 Democrat/Republican...so it's a general election sample.  It appears that Democrats are now enthused to vote this November but are still losing.

I can't use it, as it is simply a "favorable" question even if it might be so interpreted. Crist has about 6% more "favorable" than "approval".


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 02, 2010, 10:24:29 AM
50/49 on Rasmussen.  That marks the only time since November 16, 2009 that his approval numbers were higher than his disapproval numbers.

There really look likes a bounce in in Strongly Approve, but not a large slump in Strongly Disapprove.  Arguably no slump.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on February 02, 2010, 11:05:30 AM
Per PPP's Blance Lincoln Senate poll, Obama is at 38/58 in Arkansas.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 02, 2010, 01:31:47 PM
Arkansas (Rasmussen):

33% Approve
66% Disapprove

(Gov. Mike Beebe)

73% Approve
24% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Arkansas was conducted by Rasmussen Reports February 1, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arkansas/toplines/toplines_arkansas_senate_february_1_2010

.....

Gallup`s continued SOTU bump:

51% Approve (+1)
42% Disapprove (-2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on February 02, 2010, 02:24:57 PM
Small national bump in Rasmussen & Gallup. Probably because of the SOTU.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ragevein on February 02, 2010, 10:39:08 PM
Small national bump in Rasmussen & Gallup. Probably because of the SOTU.


Not because of the news of 5.7% economic growth?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on February 02, 2010, 10:56:27 PM
Arkansas (Rasmussen):

33% Approve
66% Disapprove

(Gov. Mike Beebe)

73% Approve
24% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Arkansas was conducted by Rasmussen Reports February 1, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arkansas/toplines/toplines_arkansas_senate_february_1_2010

.....

Gallup`s continued SOTU bump:

51% Approve (+1)
42% Disapprove (-2)

I predict that by 2012, Arkansas will vote similarly to Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, and Oklahoma.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ronnie on February 03, 2010, 12:17:12 AM
Obama undeniably got a bounce.  We'll see how long it holds...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 03, 2010, 12:25:15 AM
Obama undeniably got a bounce.  We'll see how long it holds...

The Strongly Approve numbers already pulled back on Rasmussen. 



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 03, 2010, 08:43:44 AM
Arkansas Updated.

Texas(Rasmussen)
Approve 41%
Disapprove 58%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/texas/toplines/toplines_texas_governor_s_race_february_1_2010

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on February 03, 2010, 10:30:46 AM
Per Quinnipiac, Obama approval at 57% in New York. 

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1420



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 03, 2010, 10:40:55 AM

First three February polls: two are Arkansas and Texas. Both are declines for Obama, but they don't cause changes in  categories. Of course, Arkansas was in the absolute lowest category of support for the President in January.  New York shows no change.  

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 70% Yellow (90% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Age Wave on February 03, 2010, 06:21:37 PM
Rowan's map looks a lot worse for Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on February 03, 2010, 06:28:51 PM
I want my New Mexico polling. :(


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 03, 2010, 06:37:49 PM

Color choice. Red and green clash; green and yellow don't. That's more an esthetic statement than a political statement. Rowan and I basically agree. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 03, 2010, 07:05:55 PM

Color choice. Red and green clash; green and yellow don't. That's more an esthetic statement than a political statement. Rowan and I basically agree. 

I think Rowan's map is easier to read (though dark green Maryland looks dark red).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on February 03, 2010, 07:09:20 PM

Color choice. Red and green clash; green and yellow don't. That's more an esthetic statement than a political statement. Rowan and I basically agree.  

I think Rowan's map is easier to read (though dark green Maryland looks dark red).

You may want to look at your monitor's color settings if it does...although if a lot of the rest of the Northeast doesn't as well, that's a puzzler; they're the same shade.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 03, 2010, 10:46:36 PM

I also want to see Maine,  Tennessee, and West Virginia polled.  Don't forget Nebraska's Second Congressional District!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on February 03, 2010, 11:10:37 PM
It's interesting to note that the states would, if the polling is correct, vote for "someone else." Now, why is it that the national trend shows him with approval generally in the high 40s/low 50s, then?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 03, 2010, 11:40:29 PM
It's interesting to note that the states would, if the polling is correct, vote for "someone else." Now, why is it that the national trend shows him with approval generally in the high 40s/low 50s, then?

Sizable concentration of supporters in some states, e.g. IL, NY?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on February 03, 2010, 11:42:13 PM
When are we going to get a polling from WY?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 04, 2010, 01:25:03 AM
Connecticut (Rasmussen):

51% Approve
49% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Connecticut was conducted by Rasmussen Reports February 1, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/connecticut/toplines/toplines_connecticut_senate_race_february_1_2010

(very strange)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on February 04, 2010, 02:23:56 AM
Connecticut (Rasmussen):

51% Approve
49% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Connecticut was conducted by Rasmussen Reports February 1, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/connecticut/toplines/toplines_connecticut_senate_race_february_1_2010

(very strange)

wtf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 04, 2010, 09:50:23 AM

It's interesting to note that the states would, if the polling is correct, vote for "someone else." Now, why is it that the national trend shows him with approval generally in the high 40s/low 50s, then?

In general, an incumbent President has about a 50-50 chance of winning re-election if his approval rating is at 44%. (Nate Silver at fivethirtyeight.com)  Above 44% the likelihood of victory skyrockets to near 100% at 47% approval. Unless something funny is going on (like a favorite son as an opponent in the state) such is likely a good approximation for winning the state. So in a two-way race with a couple of minor parties running candidates who sop up the disaffected vote and allow one of the two main candidates to win with about 49% of the vote, this map of the latest  approval ratings for likely voters (note: Connecticut updated)


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 70% Yellow (90% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.

becomes something like this:

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Victory by margin


Obama wins 10% or more
Obama wins 5-9.9%
Obama wins under 5%
tie (in white)
Republican nominee wins under 5%
Republican nominee wins 5-9.9%
Republican wins over 10%


Gray -- no data

(Ignore letters)

It is possible to win with 49% of the vote, as Obama did in Indiana and North Carolina and as McCain did in Missouri in 2008 if there are third-party candidates.

Anyone can reasonably fill in the "gray" states that have no recent polls... DC, Maine, Vermont, Hawaii, and New Mexico will likely go for Obama; Mississippi, Tennessee, Wyoming, and likely West Virginia will go for the Republican.

It's simple: add 5% to the approval rating for likely voters and you will get Obama's percentage of the vote. If you get a total of 47% to 49%. call it a statistical tie. 50%? Call it a win.   Otherwise it is an Obama loss.

You are free to dispute this for individual state; I think that Obama would more likely win Virginia than either North Carolina or South Carolina, but such is what the most recent polls and the model suggest will happen. But in general, the Republican nominee is in deep trouble.

For the Republican the states in white have to be scary; even if he thinks that Obama won't win North or South Carolina,  the scattered states in white are all iffy. There is no sure way to win all of Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Missouri, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Virginia with the same pitch.

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I do not have this as a prediction for the 2012 Presidential election.  

"Somebody else" might mean "anyone else" if people who so identify their Presidential choice in 2012 are so dissatisfied that they would go for a bland, uninspiring opponent as a transitional figure until the next attractive nominee is available. That is in essence "anyone but Obama". It can also mean that people can imagine better than he and are looking for someone better. Is that "someone better" available? The potential Republican candidates all have faults.

We don't know who "Somebody Else" or "Generic Republican" is yet.  Style matters greatly in a campaign. A technocrat with business experience might have little ability to communicate with voters despite manifest competence, and might have  left behind a large number of disgruntled former employees who would gladly turn against his campaign. A right-wing populist might have wacky ideas that seem crazier than what president Obama has offered. Sure, if people can find the "right person" to oppose Obama they will vote for that person... but nothing says that that "right person" exists. 

In 2008, Senator Barack Obama ran on an upbeat series of campaign pitches. If he sees his re-election campaign having a chance of losing in 2012, then he might authorize negative ads that sow doubt about the opponent. Negative ads can work at casting doubt on the candidate and his claims. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 04, 2010, 10:31:31 AM

It's interesting to note that the states would, if the polling is correct, vote for "someone else." Now, why is it that the national trend shows him with approval generally in the high 40s/low 50s, then?

In general, an incumbent President has about a 50-50 chance of winning re-election if his approval rating is at 44%. (Nate Silver at fivethirtyeight.com)  Above 44% the likelihood of victory skyrockets to near 100% at 47% approval. Unless something funny is going on (like a favorite son as an opponent in the state) such is likely a good approximation for winning the state. So in a two-way race with a couple of minor parties running candidates who sop up the disaffected vote and allow one of the two main candidates to win with about 49% of the vote, this map of the latest  approval ratings for likely voters (note: Connecticut updated)




If you are looking at this, at this point in time, the statement is false.  Carter had 55%, GHWB, about a month after the capture of Noriega, had an 80%.

No elected president was lower than a 47% approval numbers on Gallup, at this point in time.  Reagan had 49% and was re-elected.  Clinton was as 54% (and was on an upswing) but only had 49% of the vote in the next presidential election.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/presidential-approval-tracker.htm

Either Silver has it wrong, grandly, or you are misquoting him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on February 04, 2010, 11:18:40 AM
Rassy has Obama approval in Illinois at 54-45.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/illinois/election_2010_illinois_senate


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on February 04, 2010, 01:11:03 PM

It's interesting to note that the states would, if the polling is correct, vote for "someone else." Now, why is it that the national trend shows him with approval generally in the high 40s/low 50s, then?

In general, an incumbent President has about a 50-50 chance of winning re-election if his approval rating is at 44%. (Nate Silver at fivethirtyeight.com)  Above 44% the likelihood of victory skyrockets to near 100% at 47% approval. Unless something funny is going on (like a favorite son as an opponent in the state) such is likely a good approximation for winning the state. So in a two-way race with a couple of minor parties running candidates who sop up the disaffected vote and allow one of the two main candidates to win with about 49% of the vote, this map of the latest  approval ratings for likely voters (note: Connecticut updated)




If you are looking at this, at this point in time, the statement is false.  Carter had 55%, GHWB, about a month after the capture of Noriega, had an 80%.

No elected president was lower than a 47% approval numbers on Gallup, at this point in time.  Reagan had 49% and was re-elected.  Clinton was as 54% (and was on an upswing) but only had 49% of the vote in the next presidential election.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/presidential-approval-tracker.htm

Either Silver has it wrong, grandly, or you are misquoting him.


I'm assuming he's referring to approval on Election Day...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 04, 2010, 01:50:50 PM
Kentucky (Rasmussen):

42% Approve
57% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Kentucky was conducted by Rasmussen Reports February 2, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/kentucky/toplines/toplines_2010_kentucky_senate_race_february_2_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 04, 2010, 02:38:07 PM

It's interesting to note that the states would, if the polling is correct, vote for "someone else." Now, why is it that the national trend shows him with approval generally in the high 40s/low 50s, then?

In general, an incumbent President has about a 50-50 chance of winning re-election if his approval rating is at 44%. (Nate Silver at fivethirtyeight.com)  Above 44% the likelihood of victory skyrockets to near 100% at 47% approval. Unless something funny is going on (like a favorite son as an opponent in the state) such is likely a good approximation for winning the state. So in a two-way race with a couple of minor parties running candidates who sop up the disaffected vote and allow one of the two main candidates to win with about 49% of the vote, this map of the latest  approval ratings for likely voters (note: Connecticut updated)




If you are looking at this, at this point in time, the statement is false.  Carter had 55%, GHWB, about a month after the capture of Noriega, had an 80%.

No elected president was lower than a 47% approval numbers on Gallup, at this point in time.  Reagan had 49% and was re-elected.  Clinton was as 54% (and was on an upswing) but only had 49% of the vote in the next presidential election.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/presidential-approval-tracker.htm

Either Silver has it wrong, grandly, or you are misquoting him.


That is... at a certain time close to the election. We are far from the 2012 Presidential election. I am not willing to extrapolate further deterioration of his approval ratings because to extrapolate such is statistical recklessness.

I fail to see much difference between the 49% for Reagan and the 47% for Obama. The difference is probably smaller than the number of racists who would never recognize the legitimate achievements of any black person. At that I am talking about those who fail to recognize Morgan Freeman as a fine actor.  Yes, there really are still people, and I make no personal accusations. But that goes with being black, and if that is the difference, then Barack Obama is in a good position for winning re-election.   So if Ronald Reagan could win nearly 59% of the popular vote in 1984 after having a 49% approval rating on February 1, 1981, what is to say that President Obama, whose strongest political skills are similar to those of Ronald Reagan, can't do much the same? Like Reagan, Obama has a bad economy and a bad international scene to deal with.

So if the economy improves (increased employment, slowly-rising wages and slighter inflation, and we are able to get out of Iraq and show strong progress in Afghanistan, how would you expect President Obama to do in 2012?  


This is what things look like now with updates in Illinois, Kentucky (Illinois drops one category from where it was in December, New Jersey moves up one with a marginal improvement):

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... and just imagine what the Presidential election of 2012 looks like if interstate polarization of the electorate weakens while Obama wins 55% of the vote. If there is any one clear tendency it is that the interstate polarization in the electorate, so obvious in November 2008, has shrunk significantly.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 04, 2010, 02:45:52 PM
New Jersey (Monmouth University, 803 adults, 716 registered voters):

55% Approve (RV: 53%)
36% Disapprove (RV: 38%)

61% Favorable (RV: 59%)
26% Unfavorable (RV: 28%)

(Gov. Christie)

33% Approve (RV: 31%)
15% Disapprove (RV: 15%)

The Monmouth University/Gannett New Jersey Poll was conducted by telephone with 803 New Jersey adults from January 27 to 31, 2010. This sample has a margin of error of + 3.5 percent. The poll was conducted by the Monmouth University Polling Institute and originally published by the Gannett New Jersey newspaper group (Asbury Park Press, Courier-Post, Courier News, Daily Journal, Daily Record, and Home News Tribune).

http://www.monmouth.edu/polling/admin/polls/MUP32_2.pdf

http://www.monmouth.edu/polling/admin/polls/MUP32_1.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 04, 2010, 02:56:09 PM
FOX News:

46% Approve
47% Disapprove

51% Favorable
43% Unfavorable

Polling was conducted by telephone February 2-3, 2010, in the evenings. The total sample is 900 registered voters nationwide with a margin of error of 3 percentage points. Results are of registered voters, unless otherwise noted.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/020410_Obama-Washington_web.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 04, 2010, 04:30:46 PM

It's interesting to note that the states would, if the polling is correct, vote for "someone else." Now, why is it that the national trend shows him with approval generally in the high 40s/low 50s, then?

In general, an incumbent President has about a 50-50 chance of winning re-election if his approval rating is at 44%. (Nate Silver at fivethirtyeight.com)  Above 44% the likelihood of victory skyrockets to near 100% at 47% approval. Unless something funny is going on (like a favorite son as an opponent in the state) such is likely a good approximation for winning the state. So in a two-way race with a couple of minor parties running candidates who sop up the disaffected vote and allow one of the two main candidates to win with about 49% of the vote, this map of the latest  approval ratings for likely voters (note: Connecticut updated)




If you are looking at this, at this point in time, the statement is false.  Carter had 55%, GHWB, about a month after the capture of Noriega, had an 80%.

No elected president was lower than a 47% approval numbers on Gallup, at this point in time.  Reagan had 49% and was re-elected.  Clinton was as 54% (and was on an upswing) but only had 49% of the vote in the next presidential election.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/presidential-approval-tracker.htm

Either Silver has it wrong, grandly, or you are misquoting him.


That is... at a certain time close to the election. We are far from the 2012 Presidential election. I am not willing to extrapolate further deterioration of his approval ratings because to extrapolate such is statistical recklessness.


I'm suggesting that the use of statistic, 47%, is meaningless, since all elected presidents were above 47% at this point in time in their first term, including those that were not reelected.  In other words, either Nate Silver is very wrong or you are misquoting him.


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I fail to see much difference between the 49% for Reagan and the 47% for Obama. The difference is probably smaller than the number of racists who would never recognize the legitimate achievements of any black person.
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Or knee jerk liberals that never would have supported Reagan.

I do, however, see one major difference, Obama's negatives are higher, and really have been since 2-5 months into his term.  It didn't start out that way.

I think that it started several months into his term may dispute the "it's all racial" theory.  It has also grown.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 04, 2010, 05:44:25 PM

It's interesting to note that the states would, if the polling is correct, vote for "someone else." Now, why is it that the national trend shows him with approval generally in the high 40s/low 50s, then?

In general, an incumbent President has about a 50-50 chance of winning re-election if his approval rating is at 44%. (Nate Silver at fivethirtyeight.com)  Above 44% the likelihood of victory skyrockets to near 100% at 47% approval. Unless something funny is going on (like a favorite son as an opponent in the state) such is likely a good approximation for winning the state. So in a two-way race with a couple of minor parties running candidates who sop up the disaffected vote and allow one of the two main candidates to win with about 49% of the vote, this map of the latest  approval ratings for likely voters (note: Connecticut updated)




If you are looking at this, at this point in time, the statement is false.  Carter had 55%, GHWB, about a month after the capture of Noriega, had an 80%.

No elected president was lower than a 47% approval numbers on Gallup, at this point in time.  Reagan had 49% and was re-elected.  Clinton was as 54% (and was on an upswing) but only had 49% of the vote in the next presidential election.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/presidential-approval-tracker.htm

Either Silver has it wrong, grandly, or you are misquoting him.


That is... at a certain time close to the election. We are far from the 2012 Presidential election. I am not willing to extrapolate further deterioration of his approval ratings because to extrapolate such is statistical recklessness.


I'm suggesting that the use of statistic, 47%, is meaningless, since all elected presidents were above 47% at this point in time in their first term, including those that were not reelected.  In other words, either Nate Silver is very wrong or you are misquoting him.


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I fail to see much difference between the 49% for Reagan and the 47% for Obama. The difference is probably smaller than the number of racists who would never recognize the legitimate achievements of any black person.

Or knee jerk liberals that never would have supported Reagan.
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There are knee-jerk liberals who would never support any conservative, and knee-jerk conservatives who would never support a liberal. Those people do not decide elections.  People in the middle decide Presidential elections.

But the United States has some hard-core, unreconstructed racists who would never support a non-white leader. That factor did not apply in 1980, but it might in 2010. I have no idea how many people that applies to -- people who aren't simply knee-jerk conservatives. Think of people who think much like George Wallace did in 1968; they are collectivistic on economics yet racist.  That might be a bigger part of the population in some parts of America, but it exists. If I guess that that is about 2% of the population, then there is far more of America that can trend toward Obama if things go right.

In any event I see no statistical difference between a 47% approval for Obama and a 49% approval rating for Reagan.   

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I do, however, see one major difference, Obama's negatives are higher, and really have been since 2-5 months into his term.  It didn't start out that way.

People wanted miracles, and they haven't happened. They wanted a return to high employment and quick ends to wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. I am hardly surprised that people are disappointed.  We are getting out of Iraq (of deeper into Afghanistan), and we did get a run of eleven months of a rising stock market.

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I think that it started several months into his term may dispute the "it's all racial" theory.  It has also grown.

Dissent with Obama is not "all racial", but I can see it as a component of the difference between Reagan's 49% and Obama's 47%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: true liberty on February 04, 2010, 05:52:28 PM
FOX News:

46% Approve
47% Disapprove

51% Favorable
43% Unfavorable

Polling was conducted by telephone February 2-3, 2010, in the evenings. The total sample is 900 registered voters nationwide with a margin of error of 3 percentage points. Results are of registered voters, unless otherwise noted.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/020410_Obama-Washington_web.pdf

lol fox news...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on February 04, 2010, 05:59:13 PM
FOX News:

46% Approve
47% Disapprove

51% Favorable
43% Unfavorable

Polling was conducted by telephone February 2-3, 2010, in the evenings. The total sample is 900 registered voters nationwide with a margin of error of 3 percentage points. Results are of registered voters, unless otherwise noted.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/020410_Obama-Washington_web.pdf

lol fox news...
What's that supposed to mean? FOX news is shockingly liberal on polling.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 04, 2010, 06:37:49 PM

I fail to see much difference between the 49% for Reagan and the 47% for Obama. The difference is probably smaller than the number of racists who would never recognize the legitimate achievements of any black person.


I think you do fail to see that basically several one term presidents had higher numbers than 47%, at this point, and were still one term presidents.  Either Nate Silver is waaaaaay off, or you are misquoting his statistics.

You also fail to see that the high negative numbers have grown, in some cases, even when his positives stayed the same or increased.  To do this, the number of racists would had to have increased.

Here is what happened on Gallup, approve and disapprove humbers:

2/09:

A 62% D 29%

3/09

A 64% D30%

10/09

A 49% D 44%
12/09

A 49% D 46%

It isn't much, but it is there.  It seems to be trending in this direction.

I think there was one poll where this didn't happen.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on February 04, 2010, 06:49:09 PM
New Hampshire Obama poll:

http://www.unh.edu/survey-center/news/pdf/gsp2010_winter_presapp20410.pdf

48/47 approval/disapproval

52/41 favorable/unfavorable



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on February 04, 2010, 06:57:14 PM
FOX News:

46% Approve
47% Disapprove

51% Favorable
43% Unfavorable

Polling was conducted by telephone February 2-3, 2010, in the evenings. The total sample is 900 registered voters nationwide with a margin of error of 3 percentage points. Results are of registered voters, unless otherwise noted.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/020410_Obama-Washington_web.pdf

lol fox news...
What's that supposed to mean? FOX news is shockingly liberal on polling.

Based on what? That one poll you saw the other day?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on February 04, 2010, 07:15:18 PM
FOX News:

46% Approve
47% Disapprove

51% Favorable
43% Unfavorable

Polling was conducted by telephone February 2-3, 2010, in the evenings. The total sample is 900 registered voters nationwide with a margin of error of 3 percentage points. Results are of registered voters, unless otherwise noted.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/020410_Obama-Washington_web.pdf

lol fox news...
What's that supposed to mean? FOX news is shockingly liberal on polling.

Based on what? That one poll you saw the other day?
Based on almost all of their polls on the Presidents approval. This is one of the first ones where they were below the RCP average.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on February 04, 2010, 07:31:43 PM
FOX News:

46% Approve
47% Disapprove

51% Favorable
43% Unfavorable

Polling was conducted by telephone February 2-3, 2010, in the evenings. The total sample is 900 registered voters nationwide with a margin of error of 3 percentage points. Results are of registered voters, unless otherwise noted.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/020410_Obama-Washington_web.pdf

lol fox news...
What's that supposed to mean? FOX news is shockingly liberal on polling.

Based on what? That one poll you saw the other day?
Based on almost all of their polls on the Presidents approval. This is one of the first ones where they were below the RCP average.

Umm, no.

They have always been pretty close to the average.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html#polls

Opinion Dynamics is a decent pollster. I never noticed much of a bias either way in their numbers but if there was one it certainly wouldn't be towards the Left.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on February 04, 2010, 11:08:26 PM
Regarding the left slant in  Fox News/Opinion Dynamics for  Obama's approval ratings, see the following from October:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/10/question-order-may-bias-fox-news-health.html

"The first instinct that most of the liberals in the audience will have simply this: well, it's a Fox poll, so of course it's biased. The reality is a little bit more complicated, however. Fox News's pollster, Opinion Dynamics, generally hasn't shown much evidence of a Republican-leaning "house effect". Take a look, for example, at their Obama approval numbers. Since the beginning of Obama's term, they have shown, on average, 58 percent of registered voters approving the President versus 32 percent disapproval. This is, if anything, generous to Obama, as the average non-Fox polls has shown 57 percent approval and 37 percent disapproval over this interval."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 05, 2010, 01:42:38 AM
Rhode Island (Fleming & Associates):

51% Excellent/Good
48% Fair/Poor

The poll was conducted by phone January 27 through January 31, 2010. Reflecting the political canvas of the state; 39 percent of those polled considered themselves Democrat, 17 percent Republican and 41 percent Independent. Statewide statistics -- 500 registered voters -- comes with a 4.4 percent margin of error.

http://www.wpri.com/generic/news/politics/local_politics/campaign-2010-eyewitness-news-poll-barack-obama-


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 05, 2010, 02:30:38 AM
New Hampshire and Rhode Island check in:

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Rhode Island gives an excellent-good-fair-poor rating and no obvious change, and it is a January poll.

Statewide approval polls seem to be approaching the mean nationwide. That happens when the President isn't tailoring his messages to specific states.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 05, 2010, 09:39:27 AM
Rasmussen gives Obama 46% A, 53% D.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on February 05, 2010, 11:16:12 AM
Rhode Island (Fleming & Associates):

51% Excellent/Good
48% Fair/Poor

The poll was conducted by phone January 27 through January 31, 2010. Reflecting the political canvas of the state; 39 percent of those polled considered themselves Democrat, 17 percent Republican and 41 percent Independent. Statewide statistics -- 500 registered voters -- comes with a 4.4 percent margin of error.

http://www.wpri.com/generic/news/politics/local_politics/campaign-2010-eyewitness-news-poll-barack-obama-

Lol, doubtful.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on February 05, 2010, 12:13:11 PM
I don't really like EGFP polls, as some who say he is doing "fair" could still approve...

Rowan, you don't include those in your maps, correct?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 05, 2010, 02:10:24 PM
I don't really like EGFP polls, as some who say he is doing "fair" could still approve...

Rowan, you don't include those in your maps, correct?

No, I do not. I'll update my map later, been busy lately.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 05, 2010, 02:45:00 PM
Sam Tan Polling Inc (MoE 4.1)

30% Excellent
70% Everything Else


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on February 05, 2010, 02:56:53 PM
Gallup released it's state approval ratings for all of 2009:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/125648/Obama-Approval-Among-States-Hawaii-Warmest-Obama.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/125648/Obama-Approval-Among-States-Hawaii-Warmest-Obama.aspx)

National: 58/34

Alabama: 49/43

Alaska: 46/43

Arizona: 55/37

Arkansas: 49/40

California: 64/26

Colorado: 52/37

Connecticut: 67/27

Delaware: 61/29

DC: 90/7

Florida: 57/35

Georgia: 56/36

Hawaii: 71/22

Idaho: 43/47

Illinois: 65/27

Indiana: 55/35

Iowa: 58/33

Kansas: 51/39

Kentucky: 53/38

Louisiana: 50/41

Maine: 59/32

Maryland: 69/25

Massachusetts: 67/26

Michigan: 60/31

Minnesota: 62/30

Mississippi: 52/40

Missouri: 56/36

Montana: 48/42

Nebraska: 50/40

Nevada: 56/35

New Hampshire: 55/37

New Jersey: 63/30

New Mexico: 56/34

New York: 67/25

North Carolina: 55/35

North Dakota: 55/40

Ohio: 55/36

Oklahoma: 48/42

Oregon: 58/32

Pennsylvania: 57/33

Rhode Island: 67/25

South Carolina: 56/36

South Dakota: 56/36

Tennessee: 52/39

Texas: 52/38

Utah: 48/41

Vermont: 68/24

Virginia: 58/34

Washington: 58/32

West Virginia: 46/41

Wisconsin: 58/33

Wyoming: 42/45




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on February 05, 2010, 02:57:43 PM
Sam Tan Polling Inc (MoE 4.1)

30% Excellent
70% Everything Else

Intriguingly, if you check the crosstabs, 17% of the responses were "pierogi."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on February 05, 2010, 03:59:35 PM
If we use Gallup's data from the first half of 2009 we can roughly estimate the second half of 2009 with the total year data.

Second Half of 2009:

National: 53/40

Alabama: 42/52

Alaska: 43/50

Arizona: 52/42

Arkansas: 42/49

California: 60/32

Colorado: 49/41

Connecticut: 63/33

Delaware: 62/27

Florida: 53/41

Georgia: 51/43

Hawaii: 67/24

Idaho: 36/60

Illinois: 59/33

Indiana: 48/42

Iowa 55/38

Kansas 47/46

Kentucky 45/46

Louisiana: 45/48

Maine: 52/40

Maryland: 65/31

Massachusetts: 61/32

Michigan: 55/36

Minnesota: 58/35

Mississippi: 46/49

Missouri: 50/43

Montana: 44/49

Nebraska: 43/48

Nevada: 53/41

New Hampshire: 48/45

New Jersey: 57/38

New Mexico: 49/42

New York: 63/30

North Carolina: 50/41

North Dakota: 47/48

Ohio: 48/45

Oklahoma: 43/50

Oregon: 53/39

Pennsylvania: 49/41

Rhode Island: 64/27

South Carolina: 51/42

South Dakota: 54/39

Tennessee: 46/47

Texas: 47/45

Utah: 46/44

Vermont: 62/31

Virginia: 53/41

Washington: 53/39

West Virginia: 41/47

Wisconsin: 55/39

Wyoming: 38/54


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on February 05, 2010, 06:27:00 PM
Map of late 2009 approval:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on February 05, 2010, 06:36:41 PM
Extrapolated to last months approval we get this:

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I admit it looks very strange...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 05, 2010, 06:39:00 PM
New York, Connecticut, Illinois, Kentucky, New Jersey, New Hampshire updated.

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 05, 2010, 06:52:59 PM
Colorado(Rasmussen)
Approve 45%
Disapprove 53%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/colorado/toplines/toplines_election_2010_colorado_senate_february_2_2010

Nevada(Rasmussen)
Approve 46%
Disapprove 54%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/nevada/toplines/toplines_2010_nevada_senate_february_3_2010


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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Katherine Harris is legit on February 05, 2010, 07:07:53 PM
America is starting to realize why we elected Republicans- they didn't screw things up. Obama is a disaster, even by liberal standards. The (dis)approval ratings are starting to reflect that. I wouldn't be surprised if he reached Truman levels of unpopularity.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on February 05, 2010, 07:31:29 PM
America is starting to realize why we elected Republicans- they didn't screw things up.

Ahem...

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 05, 2010, 07:46:31 PM
America is starting to realize why we elected Republicans- they didn't screw things up.

Ahem...

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I think that would be more impressive if the Obama numbers didn't go off the chart.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 05, 2010, 08:28:02 PM
America is starting to realize why we elected Republicans- they didn't screw things up. Obama is a disaster, even by liberal standards. The (dis)approval ratings are starting to reflect that. I wouldn't be surprised if he reached Truman levels of unpopularity.

So why did George W. Bush reach levels of unpopularity not known since Herbert Hoover?

Let's see...

1. He drew the right conclusions from intel available before 9/11.

2. He told us unvarnished truth about the weapons programs of Saddam Hussein and his regime's connections to the 9/11 attack.

3. He diverted troops from  Afghanistan for a brilliant adventure in Iraq.

4. He pulled an impressive stunt of "flying" onto an aircraft carrier to a banner reading "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" even if the mission was far from accomplished.

5. He used formulations like "Healthy Forests" to describe a situation (clear-cutting) that would ensure that there would be no forest.

6. He promoted solid economic growth based on wild speculation and subprime lending.

7. He delegated powers to the Vice-President that nobody realized existed in the Constitution (because they did not exist).

8. He competently managed the relief effort for Hurricane Katrina.

9. In 2006, he successfully convinced American voters that he needed more political support through the election of Republican members of the House and Senate to vote out Democrats.

10. He let Karl Rove exercise some powers of government limited by the Constitution  to government employees who can be fired for malfeasance of duty, elected officials, and persons appointed by  the President and subject to Congressional approval, thus allowing a Party Boss to be a de facto branch of government.

(Irony intended).

OK -- in all seriousness -- Dubya was the WRONG Republican in 2000.







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 06, 2010, 10:07:12 AM
The 'bots now give Obama 44% approval and 55% disapproval. Gallup has it 49%/44%.


BTW, pbrower2a, while Bush had the highest disapproval on record (in Gallup), his approval rating were higher than Truman's, both at the low points and when each left office.  Obama's disapproval numbers the highest on record (in Gallup) of any elected president at this point.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on February 07, 2010, 04:44:13 AM
America is starting to realize why we elected Republicans- they didn't screw things up.

Ahem...

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Of course, if those charts were the other way around, Democrats would be complaining that the rich shareholders were the only ones benefiting from the Bush Administration...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on February 07, 2010, 05:30:41 AM
America is starting to realize why we elected Republicans- they didn't screw things up.

Ahem...

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Of course, if those charts were the other way around, Democrats would be complaining that the rich shareholders were the only ones benefiting from the Bush Administration...

Probably, but it's a stupid measure of success either way.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 07, 2010, 07:29:10 AM

America is starting to realize why we elected Republicans- they didn't screw things up.

Ahem...



Of course, if those charts were the other way around, Democrats would be complaining that the rich shareholders were the only ones benefiting from the Bush Administration...

Asset devaluation is no way in which to create jobs or prosperity.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 07, 2010, 11:58:26 AM
Rasmussen:  44% Approve, 56% Disapprove

Gallup:  50% Approve, 43% Disapprove

The 'bots give Obama the highest disapproval numbers since December.  The December numbers improved after three days, so that looks like in just might have been a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on February 07, 2010, 02:09:34 PM
The bounce was essentially technical. Come bak to the reality.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on February 07, 2010, 07:21:54 PM
I know this has been observed before, namely during last year's campaign, but the past couple of weeks provide further evidence for another pet theory of mine.

Rasmussen's polls lead in movement (whether up or down), Gallup follows usually a few days after.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 08, 2010, 08:26:22 AM
Ohio(Rasmussen)
Approve 49%
Disapprove 51%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/ohio/toplines/toplines_ohio_senate_february_5_6_2010

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 08, 2010, 09:27:09 AM

New polls, Colrorado, Nevada, and Ohio:

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No category changes, but consistent with roughly 50/50 nationwide.

Michigan and Virginia would be very welcome.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 08, 2010, 10:46:48 AM
Rasmussen:  46% A 54% D

Gallup: 49% A 44% D



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lahbas on February 08, 2010, 01:09:48 PM
Obama is now only 0.3 points ahead of his national disapproval rating on Real Clear Politics

47.7 - 47.4


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 08, 2010, 01:27:44 PM
Gallup has a big jump today:

51% Approve (+2)
41% Disapprove (-3)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on February 08, 2010, 02:08:24 PM
It is 48-47 on RCP (you forgot to wait for Gallup's WTF results ;) ),

and

47.3-48.9 on Pollster.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 08, 2010, 03:01:11 PM
Don't forget that the GOP "brand" is still poison on economic matters:

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/28-obama-approval-rating-below-50/

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The Good News?  Economic Conditions Still Viewed as “Inherited”

62% of registered voters still believe today’s current economic conditions are mostly inherited from the Bush Administration while 29% say they are a result of Obama’s own policies.  9% are unsure.  These proportions are relatively unchanged since Marist’s last survey.

“With this part of voters’ mindset, it’s no wonder the White House would like to make 2010 a choice between President Obama and past GOP policies,” says Dr. Lee M. Miringoff, Director of The Marist Institute for Public Opinion.  “Not a referendum on the president.”

Table: Current Economic Conditions Inherited



http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/usapolls/US100201/Obama/Economic%20Conditions%20Inherited.htm
 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on February 09, 2010, 06:06:43 PM
Rassy has Obama at 44/54 in Pennsylvania. 

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/pennsylvania/toplines_2010_pennsylvania_democratic_senate_primary_february_8_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 09, 2010, 06:46:51 PM
Rasmussen's daily Obama numbers:

Approve:  47%
   

Disapprove: 53%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 09, 2010, 06:48:53 PM
How often is Obama approval stronger in Ohio than in Pennsylvania?

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 10, 2010, 01:17:25 AM
Rassy has Obama at 44/54 in Pennsylvania. 

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/pennsylvania/toplines_2010_pennsylvania_democratic_senate_primary_february_8_2010

It only shows Democratic approval to me ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on February 10, 2010, 01:43:12 AM
51/46 in the Washington Post poll, down from 53/44 last month

One year ago, he was 68/23




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 10, 2010, 08:20:37 AM
Rassy has Obama at 44/54 in Pennsylvania. 

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/pennsylvania/toplines_2010_pennsylvania_democratic_senate_primary_february_8_2010

It only shows Democratic approval to me ...

RAS changed the link. He accidentally posted the general election numbers there last night. I think they'll be out in the morning.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 10, 2010, 08:23:56 AM
Pennsylvania(Rasmussen)
Approve 44%
Disapprove 54%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/pennsylvania/2010_senate_election/toplines/toplines_2010_pennsylvania_senate_election_february_8_2010


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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 10, 2010, 10:09:17 AM
Rasmussen Obama Numbers:

Approve

48%
   
Disapprove

51%

It looks like Obama might have improved fractionally in January.  However, since November, his numbers have been exceptionally stable. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 10, 2010, 10:56:45 AM
If someone actually posted today's Rasmussen poll of Democratic voters alone as a measure of Obama support, then one would get this result:

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75% support anywhere other than DC would be spurious.

This, of course, is the right one, although 44% approval in Pennsylvania seems low:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 11, 2010, 12:11:53 PM
Missouri(Rasmussen)
Approve 40%
Disapprove 59%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/missouri/toplines/toplines_2010_missouri_senate_february_10_2010

Texas(PPP)
Approve 33%
Disapprove 61%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_TX_211.pdf

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on February 11, 2010, 12:23:04 PM
Good news to start my day, thanks Rowan!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: GOP732 on February 11, 2010, 12:32:36 PM


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on February 11, 2010, 12:58:38 PM
So much for Obama being competitive in Texas, at least right now, eh?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on February 11, 2010, 01:01:23 PM
So much for Obama being competitive in Texas, at least right now, eh?

The age wave will carry him through ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on February 11, 2010, 01:05:10 PM
So much for Obama being competitive in Texas, at least right now, eh?

I don't think anyone, even the biggest partisan, plans on Barack being competitive in Texas, at least for the near future.  It just isn't going to happen.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 11, 2010, 01:11:51 PM
Texas not competitive; Missouri has dropped to the fringe of competitiveness (if not dropping a category). New Hampshire makes a marginal change but drops a category.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 11, 2010, 03:33:53 PM
New Hampshire(Rasmussen)
Approve 49%
Disapprove 51%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/new_hampshire/toplines/toplines_new_hampshire_senate_february_10_2010

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: xavier110 on February 11, 2010, 03:50:08 PM
LOL, I'm not really sure how Ohio and New Hampshire can have even approval ratings when Obama is -10 in Pennsylvania, but okay.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 11, 2010, 05:28:54 PM
Pennsylvania(Rasmussen)
Approve 43%
Disapprove 56%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/pennsylvania/toplines_2010_pennsylvania_governor_election_february_10_2010

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: GOP732 on February 11, 2010, 07:27:19 PM
What will be the next state to go? New Mexico?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 11, 2010, 07:30:51 PM
What will be the next state to go? New Mexico?

Do you see any particular reason for states to be trending away from Obama?



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on February 11, 2010, 07:41:29 PM
What will be the next state to go? New Mexico?

I have a feeling that Obama's bottomed out (for now) more green will crop up.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on February 11, 2010, 08:35:47 PM
What will be the next state to go? New Mexico?

I have a feeling that Obama's bottomed out (for now) more green will crop up.

Not much is getting done and his proposals have been angering independents. Also, unemployment bites.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 11, 2010, 08:48:33 PM
What will be the next state to go? New Mexico?

I have a feeling that Obama's bottomed out (for now) more green will crop up.

On Rasmussen's national poll, Obama's numbers have been reasonably stable.  Even taking into  account the SOTU bounce, his numbers have been within a 7 point range.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on February 11, 2010, 09:01:55 PM
As I said before, there's a lot of congestion between his 2008 number 53% and the mid-40s (this translates slightly higher in an adults poll FWIW). 

It ain't gonna be taken down overnight - though the fact that the 53% was sliced through so easily last year is not the greatest sign for the long-term.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on February 11, 2010, 09:11:38 PM
What will be the next state to go? New Mexico?

I suspect Minnesota or Oregon. New Mexico has a large Hispanic population, which hasn't trended away from Obama as fast as whites, so it could be, but I doubt it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 12, 2010, 01:39:25 AM
Michigan (Rasmussen):

53% Approve
46% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/michigan/election_2010_michigan_governor


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 12, 2010, 06:15:25 AM
What will be the next state to go? New Mexico?

I have a feeling that Obama's bottomed out (for now) more green will crop up.

Not much is getting done and his proposals have been angering independents. Also, unemployment bites.


Michigan (Rasmussen):

53% Approve
46% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/michigan/election_2010_michigan_governor


In few states does unemployment bite so hard as in Michigan. The Governorship is up for grabs because of the wretched economy.  Michigan is one of those that I was most looking for, and the result is a surprise. I would have expected Michigan to go the same direction as Pennsylvania.

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A comment on Texas: late in 2009, states seemed  to be reverting toward a mean as polarization of approval ratings seemed to be approaching a mean. Texas and Michigan could be showing that when President Obama gets much exposure as a speaker, he demonstrates why people voted so decisively for him in Michigan and so decisively against him in Texas in 2008.  





Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 70% Yellow (90% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 12, 2010, 08:17:46 AM
North Dakota(Rasmussen)
Approve 39%
Disapprove 58%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/north_dakota/toplines/toplines_north_dakota_senate_february_9_10_2010

Michigan updated as well.

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 12, 2010, 08:58:37 AM
What will be the next state to go? New Mexico?

I have a feeling that Obama's bottomed out (for now) more green will crop up.

Not much is getting done and his proposals have been angering independents. Also, unemployment bites.


Michigan (Rasmussen):

53% Approve
46% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/michigan/election_2010_michigan_governor


In few states does unemployment bite so hard as in Michigan. The Governorship is up for grabs because of the wretched economy.  Michigan is one of those that I was most looking for, and the result is a surprise. I would have expected Michigan to go the same direction as Pennsylvania.

North Dakota updated, too, and even with the category change, it's not a significant move.

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 70% Yellow (90% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow 
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.

A comment on Texas: late in 2009, states seemed  to be reverting toward a mean as polarization of approval ratings seemed to be approaching a mean. Texas and Michigan could be showing that when President Obama gets much exposure as a politician, he demonstrates why people voted so decisively for him in Michigan and so decisively against him in Texas in 2008. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on February 12, 2010, 09:03:54 AM
Who doesn't know about Michigan's unemployment? The problem with them is that many are unapologetically liberal. I hardly call 53% overwhelming support.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 12, 2010, 09:46:46 AM
Some speculation on why President Obama isn't doing so well in polls in Pennsylvania:

The state has a contested Democratic primary for a US Senate seat. President Obama has nothing to gain and much to lose by choosing one Democratic candidate for the Senate over the other, and has stayed away from the state so that he can stay out of the race. Once the nomination is decided, President Obama will appear on occasion in Pennsylvania with the Democratic nominee for the Senate, and as Pennsylvanians see Obama the campaigner again, his approval rating will go back over 50%. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 12, 2010, 10:01:41 AM
Rasmussen's Obama numbers:

Approve:

47%
   
Disapprove:

52%

Basically, since August 2, 2009, Obama's numbers have been 47% to 52.5%, +/- 3.5 points, on Rasmussen.

Excepting the SOTU bounce, and a slump right before Christmas, his numbers have been within a 47% to 53% within a +/- 3.0 point range since November 17, 2008, on Rasmussen.

I'd call that very stable, and say that they are very close to today's numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 12, 2010, 01:26:24 PM
Louisiana(Rasmussen)
Approve 37%
Disapprove 63%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/louisiana/toplines/toplines_2010_louisiana_senate_february_10_2010

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 12, 2010, 02:07:20 PM
Who doesn't know about Michigan's unemployment? The problem with them is that many are unapologetically liberal. I hardly call 53% overwhelming support.


Add about 5% and you get a 58-42 split in Michigan, which is how the state voted in 2008. Rasmussen usually polls more GOP-leaning now than other pollsters with his "likely voters" measure. (EPIC is very Republican-leaning... go figure). I can't determine how Rasmussen figures "likely voters" 32 months before a Presidential election, as there will be new young voters, and nobody has cause to believe that they will lean Republican. Some people who will vote in the 2012 election are now fifteen years old, and some who now seem like "likely voters" will be unable to vote in 2012 because they will have died by then. I need not go into the actuarial details.  

Add to that, some of the "slightly disapprove" will choose between what they know (Obama) and what they don't know (some undetermined Republican)... and incumbency has its advantages. People vote against risk, and if they like or accept what they already have in a high office they are not going to vote for someone who "might be a little better".  Of course if they despise the incumbent they will vote against him.

It's not my guess; it's that of Nate Silver, who has estimated through a statistical process of regression that an incumbent will win 50% of the time with the latest nationwide Gallup poll showing approval of 44%. Here's where I take a liberty: where the the incumbent has a statewide approval rating of 44% he has a 50% chance of winning the state in question. The regression line is very steep between 41% and 47%, and below 40% or above 55% it matters little. The problem is that Gallup does few statewide polls, so one must translate such polls as those of Rasmussen to Gallup. Late in 2008 Rasmussen and Gallup were close.

So let's suppose that the last statewide polls for several states are like this for Obama:

State               Approval*      Likelihood of a win     Estimated percentage

AL                        34%                 NO WAY                        38%
OK                       39%                 NO WAY                         44%
KS                        41%                 NO WAY                        46%
WV                       42%                UNLIKELY                       47%
IN                         43%                 SLIGHT                          48%
NC                        44%                  EVEN                            49%
OH                       45%                  GOOD                            50%
CO                       46%                  HIGH                             51%
VA                        47%                  HIGH                             52%
IA                         48%                 HIGH                              52%
PA                        49%              NEAR-CERTAIN                  53%  
MI                        50%              NEAR-CERTAIN                  54%
CT                        51%                 CERTAIN                        55%
NY                        55%                 CERTAIN                        59%
VT                        66%                 CERTAIN                         70%      


I do not predict that states will have such approval ratings around November 1, 2012. This one suggests a close election. If you want a model that shows an Obama loss, then make your own.







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 12, 2010, 02:37:48 PM
Here's a change in the color pattern: the two strongest categories of disapproval will be orange. Reason: legibility. Anything above 50% yellow or orange is brown, which makes the letter illegible.

Louisiana is updated.


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow 
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.

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Comments will be welcome.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on February 12, 2010, 02:45:47 PM
I prefer your dark yellow, Pbrower, but its up to you.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 13, 2010, 01:04:19 AM
I prefer your dark yellow, Pbrower, but its up to you.

I think it`s better with the orange showing the low approvals.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on February 13, 2010, 01:08:39 AM
Obama's "favorable" rating is 39% in the new NY Times poll.  See question #14.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_Obama_Congress_021110.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 13, 2010, 02:08:22 AM
Obama's "favorable" rating is 39% in the new NY Times poll.  See question #14.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_Obama_Congress_021110.pdf

That's not what I read:

PRESIDENT OBAMA’S JOB APPROVAL RATING


                    Now 1/18/2010 1/11/2010 12/2009 10/2009 4/2009
Approve        46%      50%         46%         50%        56%     68%
Disapprove   45         40             41            39           34         23

The other (Q14)  is a "favorability" rating that splits 39% favorable, 34% unfavorable, 19% undecided... I would never use such a stat on my map because of the huge number of "undecided".  This thread is about approval - not favorability. 

So long as approval is above disapproval, Obama is OK. It's not bad considering that we have an two incomplete wars and a shaky recovery -- thank you George W. Bush for those. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on February 13, 2010, 02:18:40 AM
Pbrower,

The problem is that you accused me in the other thread of having my facts wrong when my assertion that the NY Times poll showed Obama at 39% favorables to be absolutely correct.

So why not take back your assertion that I was wrong.

Your argument that approval/disapproval is more important than favorable/unfavorable is reasonable but that doesn't change the fact that you were wrong in claiming that I was wrong about Obama's favorable/unfavorable rating in the NY Times poll. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 13, 2010, 11:18:29 AM
Pbrower,

The problem is that you accused me in the other thread of having my facts wrong when my assertion that the NY Times poll showed Obama at 39% favorables to be absolutely correct.

So why not take back your assertion that I was wrong.

Your argument that approval/disapproval is more important than favorable/unfavorable is reasonable but that doesn't change the fact that you were wrong in claiming that I was wrong about Obama's favorable/unfavorable rating in the NY Times poll.  

1. Unless you miss the title of this thread, it is approval and not favorability -- you miss the point.

2. If you have been looking at the maps (mine or those of Rowan Brandon) for approval of President Obama, you will typically see a favorable-unfavorable  distinction. Ordinarily favorable and unfavorable add up to something near 100%, so if you see "Texas 37% approve, 63% disapprove among likely voters" and "California 54% approve, 45% disapprove among likely voters", we are talking about the same phenomenon in two different states. That's one way of assessing whether President Obama has been gaining or losing constituencies in the various states while President.

3. Favorability seems to imply whether people like the person; approval seems to imply whether people like the result. We still have a shaky recovery from the most dangerous situation of economics since the Great Depression, and we still have two ugly wars going on. How many of us expect otherwise?

A President with a legislative agenda and tough decisions to make must either step on some toes or achieve nothing, and such would be so whether we had a conservative or a liberal as President.

One of the tough decisions is knowing when politics ends and administration begins. President Obama has stayed away from Pennsylvania as long as it has a contested primary for the US Senate. His approvals in the state have been poor in contrast to those in states that he won by similar or even slighter margins in 2008. Once the Democratic primary for the US Senate seat is over, he will start making appearances in Pennsylvania in part to aid the Senate campaign of the Democratic nominee... and then watch his approval ratings in Pennsylvania go up toward those that one would expect in such places as Wisconsin.   (I think that he is making the right choice there, and if the Democrats hold on to a Senate seat in Pennsylvania, such is worth some low approval ratings now.

4. President Obama became President with a huge cultural divide. 47% of all voters voted for the Republican, and most of those who voted for John McCain had misgivings about President Obama from the start. Such a cultural divide does not disappear by itself. Should he get the desired results in Iraq (nearly achieved) and Afghanistan (analogous surge)  and the economy become more normal, many of those misgivings disappear. That might lead to an electoral disaster for Republicans in 2010 and 2012, but I could imagine worse for America if I were a Republican.

5. Recent polls ask whether President Barack Obama is doing the job adequately; recent polls involving Sarah Palin ask whether she is fit to be President.


  

 

  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on February 14, 2010, 02:15:44 AM
http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/statesman/pdf/02/021410_poll_results.pdf

Obama: 40/48 in Texas


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 14, 2010, 03:23:46 AM
1. I have no idea of which is more reliable: favorability or approval. I know that there is a difference, and when I see a poll that has both favorability and approval I average them.

And this thread is called "The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread". I think you have an answer.
Approval and favorability differ by little -- 1-2%, which is less than the usual differences between pollsters and certain criteria of selecting "voters" -- adults, registered voters, or "likely voters". A 1-2% difference is within the usual margin of error. The difference between approval and favorability is slight enough for me.

1. Unless you miss the title of this thread, it is approval and not favorability -- you miss the point.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 14, 2010, 08:54:54 AM
Texas, again:


http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/statesman/pdf/02/021410_poll_results.pdf

40% approval, 48% disapproval, 12% undecided.


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow 
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 14, 2010, 01:55:34 PM
Gallup: 53% Approve, 40% Disapprove (+1, -1, best net positive rating since November)

Rasmussen: 47% Approve, 51% Disapprove (+2, -2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on February 14, 2010, 01:56:58 PM
Both Rasmussen and Gallup are outliers if you look at the RCP averages.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: TheGreatOne on February 14, 2010, 02:02:51 PM
These polls are flawed anyway.  I could be a flaming liberal and disapprove of Obama because he hasn't been as liberal as I'd like him to be.   But during the election I would more than likely vote for him. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on February 14, 2010, 02:04:18 PM
That doesn't appear to be the case as his approval among liberals in most of the polling remains high.

PPP(D) has shot down the notion that liberals are the ones upset at Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on February 14, 2010, 02:43:34 PM
Zogby Poll:

Approve - 31%
Disapprove - 64%

Obama to announce resignation on 22/06/10.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Jasengle on February 14, 2010, 04:35:09 PM
Obama won't win in 2012


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 14, 2010, 05:27:38 PM

Please explain.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on February 14, 2010, 05:29:36 PM
Zogby Poll:

Approve - 31%
Disapprove - 64%

Obama to announce resignation on 22/06/10.
The best birthday present ever! :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 14, 2010, 06:16:46 PM
I'd like to see some polls of these states and Congressional districts:

Maine
Montana
New Mexico
South Carolina
Tennessee
Virginia
West Virginia
Wyoming

NE-01
NE-02

DC, Hawaii, Mississippi, and Vermont seem to never get polled.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 14, 2010, 06:41:48 PM
Zogby Poll:

Approve - 31%
Disapprove - 64%

Obama to announce resignation on 22/06/10.

That is great, outstanding.  Obama is finished.  Oh, wait ......

It's Zogby!

:)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on February 14, 2010, 08:53:42 PM
Zogby Poll:

Approve - 31%
Disapprove - 64%

Obama to announce resignation on 22/06/10.

Source?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on February 14, 2010, 08:55:06 PM
Source for which?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on February 14, 2010, 08:56:10 PM

I was asking for a source for that Zogby poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on February 14, 2010, 09:56:39 PM
Zogby Poll:

Approve - 31%
Disapprove - 64%

Obama to announce resignation on 22/06/10.
The best birthday present ever! :)

That's my birthday too! That would be a good birthday present.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on February 15, 2010, 10:38:26 AM
O at 51/48 in Washington per Rasmussen...these state polls are barely believable anymore, they are all extremely "flat"

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/washington/election_2010_washington_senate


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 15, 2010, 01:38:24 PM
Kalifornia (Rasmussen):

58% Approve
41% Disapprove

This telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in California was conducted by Rasmussen Reports on February 11, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/california/toplines/toplines_2010_election_california_senate_election_february_11_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 15, 2010, 06:20:09 PM
Texas, Washington, and California updated.

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 16, 2010, 11:00:11 AM
On Rasmussen's monthly numbers, Obama bottomed in December and improved slightly in January.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_month_by_month



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: memphis on February 16, 2010, 11:02:26 AM
He's been doing better on gallup as well. Up to 53% now after being consistently below 50 for a while.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 16, 2010, 11:44:04 AM
He's been doing better on gallup as well. Up to 53% now after being consistently below 50 for a while.

Gallup has some problems, including some fairly wide swings.  Rasmussen is has been uber stable.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: memphis on February 16, 2010, 12:49:53 PM
He's been doing better on gallup as well. Up to 53% now after being consistently below 50 for a while.

Gallup has some problems, including some fairly wide swings.  Rasmussen is has been uber stable.

It has swung very little. It was in the high forties for a couple of weeks and has now been in the low fifties for about a week.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on February 16, 2010, 02:14:00 PM
He's been doing better on gallup as well. Up to 53% now after being consistently below 50 for a while.

Gallup has some problems, including some fairly wide swings.  Rasmussen is has been uber stable.

The two use completely different methodologies. Rasmussen is always going to be more stable.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 16, 2010, 09:44:14 PM
CNN/Opinion Research:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/02/16/rel4a.pdf

approve: 49%
disapprove: 50%

Does Obama deserve to be reelected?

yes 44%
no 52%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on February 16, 2010, 10:02:39 PM
Does Obama deserve to be reelected?

yes 44%
no 52%


Those types of questions are redundant. Only match-ups with actual people matter.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajc0918 on February 16, 2010, 10:05:19 PM
Does Obama deserve to be reelected?

yes 44%
no 52%


Those types of questions are redundant. Only match-ups with actual people matter.

Not really, I'm sure some people who disapprove of the way he is doing would still vote for him and vice versa.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 17, 2010, 09:42:31 AM
@ Rasmussen today:

50% Approve (+1)
50% Disapprove (-1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 17, 2010, 10:02:29 AM
@ Rasmussen today:

50% Approve (+1)
50% Disapprove (-1)

Up three points in two days.

It might be a bad sample size, but Obama is definitely off his lows of 12/09.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 17, 2010, 11:33:39 AM
A first look @ Oregon (Senate, President) today by Rasmussen. Should be out in the next hour.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 17, 2010, 11:54:31 AM
@ Rasmussen today:

50% Approve (+1)
50% Disapprove (-1)

Up three points in two days.

It might be a bad sample size, but Obama is definitely off his lows of 12/09.

Actually, still within the margin of error (4%), but barely so. But 50-50 approval translates into about 53% at election time, which is a decisive (Obama 2008) win.

Changes in the approval ratings can reflect events. A heavily-publicized appearance (SOTU address or some other major speech) might have a transitory effect. A major good event (we shall see about Marja, Afghanistan) or a discreditable scandal would have a more lasting effect.

Should the US armed forces finish off the Taliban as a military force, then they will have undone one of the messes that George W. Bush left behind. If you want a good analogy, try the Korean "Conflict" that came to a veritable end when Dwight Eisenhower was President. No, Truman did nothing wrong, which explains how Truman ranks among the best ten Presidents and  Dubya among the worst. Getting out of a nasty war gracefully was  the top achievement of Dwight Eisenhower, and he is generally seen among the best ten Presidents in American history.

But I am ahead of myself. We still need a decisive conclusion in Afghanistan. All that President Obama may have done may have been to let the generals, admirals, and intelligence chiefs do what they do best with minimal interference and no personal grandstanding. That is the best that anyone without military experience could ever do.

.....

There will be fresh statewide polls, and if jumps appear in enough of them about five days from now, then something is afoot.

Graceful exits from Iraq and Afghanistan and a sound economy would win President Obama re-election in an Eisenhower-scale  landslide even with weak or controversial legislation. Of course the job is far from complete.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 17, 2010, 12:00:29 PM
Oregon (Rasmussen):

50% Approve
49% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Oregon was conducted by Rasmussen Reports February 16, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/oregon/toplines/toplines_oregon_senate_february_16_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Holmes on February 17, 2010, 12:14:53 PM
Oregon is at Rasmussen's national average?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 17, 2010, 12:59:19 PM

California, Oregon, Washington:


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.

....No GOP surge on the West Coast.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on February 17, 2010, 01:15:22 PM
@ Rasmussen today:

50% Approve (+1)
50% Disapprove (-1)

When was Obama last at 50 or above on Rass? What's this bounce in aid of? The taliban leader who was found?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 17, 2010, 02:22:19 PM
@ Rasmussen today:

50% Approve (+1)
50% Disapprove (-1)

When was Obama last at 50 or above on Rass? What's this bounce in aid of? The taliban leader who was found?

It could be. Note that the captive is the Taliban's top military leader. Such likely throws the Taliban into disarray and makes its defeat more likely.

Good news gets good polling results even if the President has little to do with the cause of the good news. Does he seem to be the sort to try to micro-manage the generals?  Of course we have yet to know the whole story.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on February 17, 2010, 02:55:25 PM
@ Rasmussen today:

50% Approve (+1)
50% Disapprove (-1)

When was Obama last at 50 or above on Rass? What's this bounce in aid of? The taliban leader who was found?

It could be. Note that the captive is the Taliban's top military leader. Such likely throws the Taliban into disarray and makes its defeat more likely.

Good news gets good polling results even if the President has little to do with the cause of the good news. Does he seem to be the sort to try to micro-manage the generals?  Of course we have yet to know the whole story.   

probably more a bump due to Obamacare being out of the spotlight....though the RCP average is still within a point of Obama's low and a new CNN poll has Congress hitting a historic low.

Obama is over a barrel internationally due to the preception of his apology tour appearing as a retreat.  If we lose a single airliner, look for Obama's approval to drop 10 points overnight as he loses the women's vote.  If something worse happens, Obama will all but officially become a lame duck and will have a challenger to the 2012 Dem nomination.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 17, 2010, 03:15:27 PM
Oregon.

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on February 17, 2010, 05:11:39 PM
@ Rasmussen today:

50% Approve (+1)
50% Disapprove (-1)

When was Obama last at 50 or above on Rass? What's this bounce in aid of? The taliban leader who was found?

It could be. Note that the captive is the Taliban's top military leader. Such likely throws the Taliban into disarray and makes its defeat more likely.

Good news gets good polling results even if the President has little to do with the cause of the good news. Does he seem to be the sort to try to micro-manage the generals?  Of course we have yet to know the whole story.  
If we lose a single airliner, look for Obama's approval to drop 10 points overnight as he loses the women's vote.  If something worse happens, Obama will all but officially become a lame duck and will have a challenger to the 2012 Dem nomination.



I still don't get that arguement. You know what happened to Bush's approvals after 9/11, right?

BTW, PPP's monthly head-to-head's are due tomorrow.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 17, 2010, 05:28:27 PM
@ Rasmussen today:

50% Approve (+1)
50% Disapprove (-1)

Up three points in two days.

It might be a bad sample size, but Obama is definitely off his lows of 12/09.

Actually, still within the margin of error (4%), but barely so. But 50-50 approval translates into about 53% at election time, which is a decisive (Obama 2008) win.



I'm not sure about the daily, but the monthly averages have an MOE of 1%.  December was definitely below November/October.

@ Rasmussen today:

50% Approve (+1)
50% Disapprove (-1)

When was Obama last at 50 or above on Rass? What's this bounce in aid of? The taliban leader who was found?

Late September, but he hit 50% in mid November and after the SOTU.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 17, 2010, 05:31:40 PM
The Rasmussen tracking has an MOE of 3%, but Obama has been out of that at times.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 18, 2010, 09:07:57 AM
@ Rasmussen today:

50% Approve (+1)
50% Disapprove (-1)

When was Obama last at 50 or above on Rass? What's this bounce in aid of? The taliban leader who was found?

It could be. Note that the captive is the Taliban's top military leader. Such likely throws the Taliban into disarray and makes its defeat more likely.

Good news gets good polling results even if the President has little to do with the cause of the good news. Does he seem to be the sort to try to micro-manage the generals?  Of course we have yet to know the whole story.  
If we lose a single airliner, look for Obama's approval to drop 10 points overnight as he loses the women's vote.  If something worse happens, Obama will all but officially become a lame duck and will have a challenger to the 2012 Dem nomination.



I still don't get that arguement. You know what happened to Bush's approvals after 9/11, right?

BTW, PPP's monthly head-to-head's are due tomorrow.

Nobody in the public was really expecting a terrorist attack (though we should have been).  We are now and Biden's recent comments won't help, if there is one.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on February 18, 2010, 01:01:47 PM
Rasmussen poll of Indiana:

44% Approve
54% Disapprove

Pretty good numbers for O there, as I don't believe there is anyone who thinks he can win that state again.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/indiana/election_2010_indiana_senate


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 18, 2010, 02:28:03 PM
Rasmussen poll of Indiana:

44% Approve
54% Disapprove

Pretty good numbers for O there, as I don't believe there is anyone who thinks he can win that state again.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/indiana/election_2010_indiana_senate

No category change, but it is at the top of the category. A bit higher than Pennsylvania? Probably not for long.

He can, but I wouldn't bet even money on Indiana except in a 35+ state landslide. I predict that he will campaign for the Democratic candidate for the open Senate seat in November. Should there be an open Senate seat in Indiana in 2012 (Lugar will be 80) he will campaign again on behalf of the Democratic nominee for Senate.   

President Obama would lose to Mitch Daniels there, but 44% approval suggests about a 50-50 chance of winning against just about anyone else (and I don't mean Sarah Palin).  The Republicans can't afford to have Indiana as a "competitive" state -- which it looks like in 2012.   




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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on February 18, 2010, 03:28:23 PM
If there was one Democrat that can challenge Obama effectively and win like a Russ Feingold, I would vote for him over Obama in the primary.  Obama hasn't governed the way a lot of has hoped.  But I am still willing to wait until the fall to see what happens.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 18, 2010, 04:34:08 PM
PPP 2-17-2010

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_2181205.pdf

Nationwide poll:

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of Barack
Obama’s job performance? If you approve,
press 1. If you disapprove, press 2. If you’re
not sure, press 3.
Approve................. 48%
Disapprove............ 47%
Not Sure................ 6%

Q10 If the candidates for President next time were
Mike Huckabee and Barack Obama, who
would you vote for? If Mike Huckabee, press
1. If Barack Obama, press 2. If you’re not
sure, press 3.
Huckabee........................................................ 43%
Obama............................................................ 46%
Not Sure.......................................................... 11%

Q11 If the candidates for President next time were
Sarah Palin and Barack Obama, who would
you vote for? If Sarah Palin, press 1. If Barack
Obama, press 2. If you're not sure, press 3.
Palin................................................................ 43%
Obama............................................................ 50%
Not Sure.......................................................... 7%

Q12 If the candidates for President in 2012 were
John Thune and Barack Obama, who would
you vote for? If John Thune, press 1. If
Barack Obama, press 2. If you’re undecided,
press 3.
Thune 28%
Obama 46%
Not Sure 26%

Q13 If the candidates for President next time were
Mitt Romney and Barack Obama, who would
you vote for? If Mitt Romney, press 1. If
Barack Obama, press 2. If you’re not sure,
press 3.
Romney .......................................................... 43%
Obama............................................................ 45%
Not Sure.......................................................... 12%

Q14 Who did you vote for President last year? If
John McCain, press 1. If Barack Obama,
press 2. If someone else or you don’t
remember, press 3.
McCain............................................................ 46%
Obama............................................................ 51%
Someone else/don't remember ....................... 3%


My comment: Senator John Thune is not well known. Such has advantages -- and disadvantages.  Rounding may cause totals that fail to add to 100%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on February 18, 2010, 04:49:00 PM
PPP 2-17-2010
Q12 If the candidates for President in 2012 were
John Thune and Barack Obama, who would
you vote for? If John Thune, press 1. If
Barack Obama, press 2. If you’re undecided,
press 3.
Thune 28%
Obama 46%
Not Sure 26%

Thune is only known by political junkies, so it is surprising Obama only pulled 46% and, IMO, may show the rest of the GOP is damaged goods


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on February 18, 2010, 04:59:39 PM
Rasmussen Virginia:

48% approve
51% disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/virginia/65_of_virginia_voters_approve_of_mcdonnell_so_far

McDonnell approvals in that same poll are 65\29


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 18, 2010, 04:59:51 PM
Wisconsin(Rasmussen)
Approve 47%
Disapprove 52%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/wisconsin/toplines/toplines_wisconsin_senate_february_17_2010

Virginia(Rasmussen)
Approve 48%
Disapprove 51%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/virginia/toplines/toplines_virginia_february_16_2010

Indiana updated as well.

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on February 18, 2010, 05:14:07 PM
Wisconsin(Rasmussen)
Approve 47%
Disapprove 52%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/wisconsin/toplines/toplines_wisconsin_senate_february_17_2010

Virginia(Rasmussen)
Approve 48%
Disapprove 51%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/virginia/toplines/toplines_virginia_february_16_2010


hahaha. Just... no. :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on February 18, 2010, 06:32:59 PM
Oregon is at Rasmussen's national average?

I imagine, given the small number of undecideds, that when they pressured independents into to picking one, they chose disapprove. Also keep in mind that while parts of the state are very very liberal, there is also a large part of the state that is very conservative.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on February 18, 2010, 07:15:28 PM
Rasmussen poll of Indiana:

44% Approve
54% Disapprove

Pretty good numbers for O there, as I don't believe there is anyone who thinks he can win that state again.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/indiana/election_2010_indiana_senate

Uhh, I think he can, that doesn't mean he will.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 19, 2010, 01:26:46 AM
Iowa - R2000/KCCI Des Moines:

49% Approve
46% Disapprove

52% Favorable
41% Unfavorable

The Research 2000 Iowa Poll was conducted from February 15 through February 17, 2010. A total of 600 likely voters who vote regularly in state elections were interviewed statewide by telephone.

Those interviewed were selected by the random variation of the last four digits of telephone numbers. A cross-section of exchanges was utilized in order to ensure an accurate reflection of the state. Quotas were assigned to reflect the voter registration of distribution by county.

The margin for error, according to standards customarily used by statisticians, is no more than plus or minus 4% percentage points. This means that there is a 95 percent probability that the “true” figure would fall within that range if the entire population were sampled. The margin for error is higher for any subgroup, such as for gender or party affiliation.

http://www.kcci.com/news/22602994/detail.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 19, 2010, 02:47:01 AM

Iowa, Virginia (very welcome), and Wisconsin updated:



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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 19, 2010, 08:28:37 AM
Iowa.

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 19, 2010, 08:38:24 AM
California(SurveyUSA)
Approve 59%
Disapprove 38%

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=6f26c88d-dff4-4638-bf13-5f254c430dca


(
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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 19, 2010, 09:36:54 AM
Rasmussen O numbers: 

48% Approve
   

51% Disapprove

No real change.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 19, 2010, 01:39:50 PM
Kansas (SurveyUSA):

35% Approve
62% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=c7eab6fe-0d82-4c93-b377-808fc71c82cb

Oregon (SurveyUSA):

53% Approve
43% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=0a8d5ad0-690b-4e32-825e-5b77e5893534

Washington (SurveyUSA):

49% Approve
47% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=2aa67672-d9c9-4feb-82d4-3e714866f99f


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 19, 2010, 02:24:55 PM
North Carolina(PPP)
Approve 45%
Disapprove 51%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_219.pdf

Washington and Kansas updated. Oregon is not updated because the Rasmussen poll is more recent.

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 19, 2010, 02:27:50 PM
Kansas update, where Obama has no reasonable chance to win; no change in Washington or Oregon because of averaging with polls from this week. North Carolina update without change.


(
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.



When do we get the New Mexico or Vermont poll?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on February 19, 2010, 02:36:51 PM
California(SurveyUSA)
Approve 59%
Disapprove 38%

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=6f26c88d-dff4-4638-bf13-5f254c430dca


(
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adult, not LV or RV.

30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 19, 2010, 03:12:46 PM
Rasmussen (Oregon):

53% Approve
47% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/oregon/toplines/toplines_oregon_governor_february_17_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 19, 2010, 04:11:13 PM
North Carolina(PPP)
Approve 45%
Disapprove 51%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_219.pdf

Washington and Kansas updated. Oregon is not updated because the Rasmussen poll is more recent.

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

VA should be a lighter shade.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on February 19, 2010, 04:27:41 PM
Gallup and Rasmussen at 48% today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 19, 2010, 04:31:00 PM

You're right. Don't know what happened there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 20, 2010, 01:08:56 AM
Vermont - R2000/WCAX-TV:

63% Approve
33% Disapprove

This survey was conducted by Research 2000 of Rockville, Maryland. A total of 400 likely voters were interviewed statewide by telephone between February 14 and February 16, 2010.

Those interviewed were selected by the random variation of the last four digits of telephone numbers. A cross-section of exchanges was utilized in order to ensure an accurate reflection of the state. Quotas were assigned to reflect the voter registration of distribution by county.

The margin for error, according to standards customarily used by statisticians, is no more than plus or minus 5% percentage points. This means that there is a 95 percent probability that the "true" figure would fall within that range if the entire population were sampled. The margin for error is higher for any subgroup, such as a gender or region.

http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=12011903


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 20, 2010, 01:30:33 AM
Newsweek/Princeton Survey Research:

48% Approve
40% Disapprove

The NEWSWEEK Poll was conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International with a nationally representative sample of 1,009 adults, age 18 years and older, on Feb. 17 and 18. The overall margin of sampling error is plus or minus 3.6 percentage points for results based on the total adults.

http://www.newsweek.com/media/84/1001_ftop_v2.pdf

The Economist/YouGov:

51% Approve
44% Disapprove

http://media.economist.com/images/pdf/Toplines20100219.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 20, 2010, 07:41:30 AM
Quote
When do we get the New Mexico or Vermont poll?

Vermont now. This is the first 60+% approval for the President in a long time. That's a small area, but you now get to see what 80% green looks like.


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.


Quote
When do we get the New Mexico or Vermont poll?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on February 20, 2010, 09:57:28 AM
It's probably in the late 50's, given the pollster. I'm actually surprised it is not higher.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 20, 2010, 12:30:27 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45%

Disapprove 53%

Note nowever that Obama's "strongly approve" number is 23%, tied with the lowest ever.

Either 50% approval number or this one (or both) is likely to be a bad sample.  It is worth watching.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on February 20, 2010, 02:12:38 PM
Gallup: 48/45

Gallup really is one erratic pollster.  He was at 53/40 just seven days ago.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on February 20, 2010, 02:21:51 PM
Approvals look like a bunch of noise to me for the past few months - around 50% in adult polls and 2-4 points less in RV/LV polls. 

Carry on, I'll post again if something interesting happens.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on February 21, 2010, 04:41:47 AM
It's probably in the late 50's, given the pollster. I'm actually surprised it is not higher.

Oh come on, it's not even a Dailykos sponsored poll and how should it be any higher than that given his national approval numbers?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on February 21, 2010, 08:00:16 AM
It's probably in the late 50's, given the pollster. I'm actually surprised it is not higher.

Oh come on, it's not even a Dailykos sponsored poll and how should it be any higher than that given his national approval numbers?

It's Vermont...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 21, 2010, 08:45:15 AM
Iowa - Des Moines Register/Selzer:

46% Approve

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20100221/NEWS09/2210329/-1/iowapoll/Iowa-s-independent-voters-turning-away-from-Obama


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 21, 2010, 11:05:28 AM
Iowa - Des Moines Register/Selzer:

46% Approve

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20100221/NEWS09/2210329/-1/iowapoll/Iowa-s-independent-voters-turning-away-from-Obama

Selzer is one of the best pollsters, but the disapproval is not shown. In the 45-49% approval range it is essential to know whether approval is higher than disapproval, as there are three different categories for such approval (approval greater, disapproval greater, or tie) -- so I can't use it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 21, 2010, 11:59:29 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45%

Disapprove 54%

Obama's "strongly approve" number is 22%, the lowest ever.

Again, it might be a bad sample, but it deserves watching.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 21, 2010, 12:08:20 PM
Given that the "Strongly approve" figures dropped sharply in the past days, it might be that liberal Democrats are abandoning him because he wants to build 2 more nuclear reactors in Georgia.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on February 21, 2010, 12:18:34 PM
Given that the "Strongly approve" figures dropped sharply in the past days, it might be that liberal Democrats are abandoning him because he wants to build 2 more nuclear reactors in Georgia.

I doubt that there's more than 3 people in the US who care about whether we build nuclear reactors in GA.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on February 21, 2010, 12:21:11 PM
Given that the "Strongly approve" figures dropped sharply in the past days, it might be that liberal Democrats are abandoning him because he wants to build 2 more nuclear reactors in Georgia.

Tender, there are extremely few people seriously opposed to nuclear power in the U.S., it's accepted overwhelmingly by anyone that matters.

That's certainly an issue where I appreciate the American thinking :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 21, 2010, 12:24:35 PM
Given that the "Strongly approve" figures dropped sharply in the past days, it might be that liberal Democrats are abandoning him because he wants to build 2 more nuclear reactors in Georgia.

I'm not too sure that there wasn't a bad sample, pro-Obama, that pushed up the numbers on 2/17, 2/18, and 2/19 (27%).  The week before his "Strongly Approve" numbers were all at 24%, 25%, then there was a three day jump.  Then there was this drop.  It might be erosion, or another bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 21, 2010, 12:35:12 PM
Given that the "Strongly approve" figures dropped sharply in the past days, it might be that liberal Democrats are abandoning him because he wants to build 2 more nuclear reactors in Georgia.

Tender, there are extremely few people seriously opposed to nuclear power in the U.S., it's accepted overwhelmingly by anyone that matters.

That's certainly an issue where I appreciate the American thinking :)

Rasmussen had it 49-30 or so in favor of the construction, with many undecided. Hardcore liberals might oppose this stuff and say temporarily "somewhat approve" instead of "strongly approve" to him. I´m not talking about Republicans or Independents, which are generally in favor of the nuke plants.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on February 21, 2010, 02:21:12 PM
This is really not in the news at all.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: MK on February 21, 2010, 06:32:10 PM
 The Ump index  is all obama needs to worry about when it comes to his approval ratings.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 22, 2010, 12:08:25 PM
No change in the Rasmussen numbers today.  If it was a bad sample, it should drop out in tomorrow's numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 22, 2010, 02:16:24 PM
Iowa(Rasmussen)
Approve 45%
Disapprove 54%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/iowa/toplines/toplines_2010_iowa_governor_election_february_18_2010

Vermont updated as well.

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on February 22, 2010, 02:19:57 PM
It's probably in the late 50's, given the pollster. I'm actually surprised it is not higher.

Oh come on, it's not even a Dailykos sponsored poll and how should it be any higher than that given his national approval numbers?

It's Vermont...

And? It's already way higher than his national approval numbers so I fail to see what you are getting at.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 22, 2010, 05:10:10 PM
The Rasmussen poll for Iowa is valid because it shows a disapproval:


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 23, 2010, 12:59:22 AM
Georgia (Rasmussen):

44% Approve
55% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Georgia was conducted by Rasmussen Reports February 18, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/georgia/toplines/toplines_election_2010_georgia_governor_february_18_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on February 23, 2010, 07:36:11 AM
Quinnipiac Ohio: Obama 44/52


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Beet on February 23, 2010, 07:41:01 AM
I don't understand how his approval can be so low in the states yet still at around 48/48 (according to pollster) nationally? If it's at 44/52 in Ohio it seems like it should be near 44/52 nationally.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on February 23, 2010, 07:46:53 AM
I don't understand how his approval can be so low in the states yet still at around 48/48 (according to pollster) nationally? If it's at 44/52 in Ohio it seems like it should be near 44/52 nationally.

Why? Ohio was about 3.6 points more Republican in 2008 than the national average, so that number makes perfect sense.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ebowed on February 23, 2010, 08:19:03 AM
I don't understand how his approval can be so low in the states yet still at around 48/48 (according to pollster) nationally?

It helps that New York, California, and Illinois are some of Obama's strongest states.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 23, 2010, 09:20:19 AM
I don't understand how his approval can be so low in the states yet still at around 48/48 (according to pollster) nationally?

It helps that New York, California, and Illinois are some of Obama's strongest states.

But he is doing badly in Pennsylvania this time around.

The political polarization between states is roughly the same as it has been since at least 2000. President Obama remains as unpopular as ever in those states that voted strongly for McCain.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 23, 2010, 09:45:19 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45%

Disapprove 54%

Obama's "strongly approve" number is 23%, which was an +1 uptick; his strongly disapprove numbers went up to 42%, also +1.

This was not a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on February 23, 2010, 01:47:19 PM
Rasmussen in Florida again for the Senate poll

45% approve
54% disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 23, 2010, 02:34:28 PM
Ohio slips a bit; Florida improves a bit -- really category changes on the margin hardly worthy of attention, and really a wash at that .  . Georgia steady and better than I could expect. It will be competitive in 2012. Nothing is said of a US Senate race in the Rasmussen poll, so I say nothing about it. The GOP can't afford to lose Georgia in 2012.

Georgia is intriguing; although it is close to the national average on the question of whether people feel safer about terrorism now as opposed to the immediate time aftermath of 9/11. But it seems to endorse harsh interrogation techniques against terrorist suspects. It also opposes the Democratic health-care plan.

Are Southerners more fatalistic about health than Northerners?


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 24, 2010, 01:27:17 AM
Texas (Rasmussen):

41% Approve
57% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 1,200 Likely Voters in Texas was conducted by Rasmussen Reports February 22, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/texas/toplines/toplines_2010_texas_governor_february_22_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 24, 2010, 01:39:36 AM
Rhode Island (Brown University):

44% Excellent/Good
52% Fair/Poor

The survey was conducted February 9-12, 2010, by researchers at The A. Alfred Taubman Center for Public Policy and the John Hazen White Public Opinion Laboratory at Brown University. It is based on a statewide random sample of 605 registered voters. Overall, the survey had a margin of error of about plus or minus 3.9 percentage points.

http://news.brown.edu/pressreleases/2010/02/taubman


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on February 24, 2010, 04:00:42 AM
So Obama is at 44% in Georgia, Ohio and Rhode Island, eh? :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 24, 2010, 08:34:36 AM
Texas no change, and the RI poll is EGFP, so not usable.  I thus offer no new map for now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 24, 2010, 09:41:25 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45%

Disapprove 54%

Obama's "strongly approve" number is 26%, which was a +3 uptick.  All other numbers remained the same.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 24, 2010, 11:30:29 AM
New Mexico (PPP):

45% Approve
48% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 990 New Mexico voters from February 18th to 20th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-3.1%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NM_224.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 24, 2010, 12:05:28 PM
Pennsylvania (F & M):

41% Excellent/Good
59% Fair/Poor

The survey findings presented in this release are based on the results of interviews conducted February 15-21, 2010. The interviews were conducted at the Center for Opinion Research at Franklin & Marshall College under the direction of the poll’s Director Dr. G. Terry Madonna, Head Methodologist Berwood Yost, and Project Manager Jennifer Harding. The data included in this release represent the responses of 1143 adult residents of Pennsylvania, including 954 registered adults (481 Democrats, 340 Republicans, 111 registered as Independent/Other, and 22 who refused to identify party).

http://edisk.fandm.edu/FLI/keystone/pdf/keyfeb10_1.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 24, 2010, 12:21:50 PM
New York (SRI):

61% Favorable
35% Unfavorable

This SRI survey was conducted February 14-18, 2010 by telephone calls to 805 New York State registered voters. It has a margin of error of + 3.5 percentage points. Data was statistically adjusted by age, party and gender to ensure representativeness. Sampling was conducted via random digit dialing weighted to reflect known population patterns. SRI is an independent, non-partisan research institute.

http://www.siena.edu/uploadedfiles/home/parents_and_community/community_page/sri/sny_poll/SNY0210_Release_FINAL.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 24, 2010, 02:16:57 PM
Georgia (Rasmussen):

42% Approve
57% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Georgia was conducted by Rasmussen Reports February 17, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/georgia/toplines/toplines_georgia_senate_february_18_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 24, 2010, 02:34:13 PM
A large geographic gap closes with a long-awaited approval poll, and it is good for a new map:

New Mexico (PPP):

45% Approve
48% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 990 New Mexico voters from February 18th to 20th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-3.1%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NM_224.pdf

and a category change for one state (New York) that has more visual effect than substance. Two others (PA, GA) entail no category changes. Can anyone explain how Obama is doing so badly in Pennsylvania?


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.

No Enhanced Fluorescent Green Protein here, either.







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on February 24, 2010, 02:50:35 PM
New Mexico (PPP):

45% Approve
48% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 990 New Mexico voters from February 18th to 20th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-3.1%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NM_224.pdf

Great news, thanks!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 24, 2010, 02:59:48 PM

and a category change for one state (New York) that has more visual effect than substance. Two others (PA, GA) entail no category changes. Can anyone explain how Obama is doing so badly in Pennsylvania?


You have to change NY because it`s favorables, and the letter "Z" to "B" in Vermont.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 24, 2010, 03:30:06 PM
A large geographic gap closes with a long-awaited approval poll, and it is good for a new map:

New Mexico (PPP):

45% Approve
48% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 990 New Mexico voters from February 18th to 20th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-3.1%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NM_224.pdf

and a category change for one state (New York) that has more visual effect than substance. Two others (PA, GA) entail no category changes. Can anyone explain how Obama is doing so badly in Pennsylvania?


(
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.

No Enhanced Fluorescent Green Protein here, either.



Fixed.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on February 24, 2010, 10:33:02 PM
About time New Mexico changed from light green to yellow, I was expecting it to happen.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 24, 2010, 10:56:04 PM
About time New Mexico changed from light green to yellow, I was expecting it to happen.

Note what Nate Silver says: a Gallup approval of 44% nationwide indicates about a 50% chance of an incumbent President getting re-elected in a two-way race. The curve between winning and losing is very sharp, so someone with a 41% nationwide approval rating has practically no chance to win, and someone with a 47% nationwide approval rating is a virtual shoo-in.  If states break that way, then anything in a a green shade or sand has a more-than-50% chance of going for the incumbent President. 

Think of what goes on: people disgruntled with both choices in the election either don't vote, waste their votes for a third-party candidate, or split on roughly a 50-50 basis. Some who disapprove disapprove "slightly" and choose between the incumbent that they know and a challenger who isn't clearly better... in favor of the incumbent. Incumbents are 1305 in runs for re-election beginning in 1900, and for good reason.

Most of the polls here are by Rasmussen, and they are largely what Rasmussen considers "likely voters" -- which means "not the younger voters" even if they break strongly (so far as can be known in view of voting behavior in 2008) for Obama.  Those are tougher polls than Gallup, and  such is noteworthy. Who can predict who will vote in 2012? Some of the "likely voters" will have died or gone senile by November 2012, and some people now 15 will be voting in 2012 -- which Rasmussen cannot predict with specificity either way.

Right now, I would say that even registering to vote suggests that one is a "likely voter". "Approval" is a fair proxy for likely voting behavior unless something funny is going on (like an inordinate number of visits by the President to a state or inordinately few).   But how good a proxy is "approval" for likely voting? Is Rasmussen more reliable now than Gallup?

About all that I can predict is that Obama would do extremely well in Vermont, less well in New York and California, decidedly less well in Michigan and Washington, then in turn not so well in New Mexico... and probably execrably in Alabama. The map that I have is best described as groupings -- tiers of support, if you will. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 25, 2010, 02:03:52 AM
South Carolina (Winthrop Univ.):

48% Approve
40% Disapprove

This survey includes responses from 837 respondents giving results which use all respondents a margin of error of +/- 3.39% at the 95% confidence level. Reported results using a subset of the entire sample will naturally have a higher margin of error. This survey includes respondents aged 18 years and older from SC.

http://www.winthrop.edu/uploadedFiles/wupoll/Feb2010WinthropPollResults.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on February 25, 2010, 04:22:22 AM
lol most of these state polls seem to be garbage, such as the one above and the PA one.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 25, 2010, 10:31:11 AM
South Carolina seems to be bucking a trend: Obama is doing surprisingly well, and elected Republicans seem to be in political trouble. There's a huge gap of undecided among adult respondents. I might have expected the state to be in the same category as Georgia, and the light green looks like a surprise. It was "sand" in December.

Elected GOP officials have been behaving badly, including Governor Mark "Don't cry for me, Argentina!" Sanford and Joe "You lie!" Wilson. The approval rating for Jim DeMint, who is up for re-election in November, is execrable for an incumbent (42%) with about 28% "not sure". Is this for real? The Governor's wife gets a high "favorable" rating in view of what she has been through. She would be electable.

A Rasmussen poll of "likely voters" might push this one back to Earth. South Carolina Republicans of 2008 have been acting much like Democrats -- of 1994. South Carolina could be trouble for the GOP in 2010 and 2012. 


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on February 25, 2010, 11:04:32 AM
If you really think that poll is anything close to the truth, then you are stupid and need to stop posting here.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on February 25, 2010, 11:31:15 AM
So Uni polls aren't terrible but Rasmussen cannot be relied upon?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 25, 2010, 11:43:49 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45%

Disapprove 54%

Identical for 5 days.

Obama's "strongly" numbers both dropped.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on February 25, 2010, 01:09:39 PM
You might want to consider putting an "S" on that South Carolina poll, Pbrower...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on February 25, 2010, 01:42:01 PM
You might want to consider putting an "S" on that South Carolina poll, Pbrower...

He isn't going to do that, now if it was a poll that made Obama look bad then yes he would.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 25, 2010, 06:00:48 PM
You might want to consider putting an "S" on that South Carolina poll, Pbrower...

Show me that it is a partisan poll and I will do better-- I will remove it.

I thought about that -- but that's about where Obama has been in South Carolina since November with no poll of any kind since December. I thought that that was something like 47%.

It's 48%-40%, which has a HUGE undecided component -- 12%. The only thing strange about the poll is the huge undecided component.  But that large undecided/no response component doesn't hide the fact that the Republicans are doing badly in South Carolina. Think about it: 28% of the people are undecided on whether they like their incumbent Senator. In what is supposed to be a good year for Republicans, an incumbent Republican Senator in a supposedly-strong Republican state should have an approval above 42%.

Rasmussen could give a harder poll at any time, and that would be enough to cut down this possible outlier.  But I also thought of the 41% F&M rating in Pennsylvania, which isn't too far out of line the other way of other polls, either. If I put an "S" on South Carolina I would also have to do so on Pennsylvania, which I think few want me to do. Just remember -- aqua isn't far from sand.  49-46 is aqua, 48-48 is white, and 47-50 is sand. 48-40  is aqua, and you would have to believe that 9 of the 12 who didn't give an opinion really think that Obama is sub-par to contradict "aqua".
 

Even so, I look at the Jesse Helms-like stances of James DeMint, the adultery-across -70-degrees-of-latitude  scandal involving the Governor, a callow racist statement by the Lieutenant Governor (the one making an analogy between stray animals and poor people, basically "The more we feed, the more they breed", a KKK slogan, by the way), and the "You lie!" outburst by Rep. Joe Wilson, and I can see South Carolina as a disaster for the GOP in 2010. It's only one state, but it is one. 



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ScottM on February 25, 2010, 07:24:07 PM
When it actually comes down, to the nitty-gritty, I don't think the Democrats have a prayer in South Carolina. It's not at or near the top of lists of the most conservative States for no reason.

I'm not about to demand that you re-classify the poll as "suspect," even though I do believe this is probably the case, because there's not much else out there on South Carolina right now. I definitely think that if another poll from a major pollster is released, it will cast serious doubt on that one.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on February 25, 2010, 08:13:32 PM
You might want to consider putting an "S" on that South Carolina poll, Pbrower...

Show me that it is a partisan poll and I will do better-- I will remove it.

I thought about that -- but that's about where Obama has been in South Carolina since November with no poll of any kind since December. I thought that that was something like 47%.

It's 48%-40%, which has a HUGE undecided component -- 12%. The only thing strange about the poll is the huge undecided component.  But that large undecided/no response component doesn't hide the fact that the Republicans are doing badly in South Carolina. Think about it: 28% of the people are undecided on whether they like their incumbent Senator. In what is supposed to be a good year for Republicans, an incumbent Republican Senator in a supposedly-strong Republican state should have an approval above 42%.

Rasmussen could give a harder poll at any time, and that would be enough to cut down this possible outlier.  But I also thought of the 41% F&M rating in Pennsylvania, which isn't too far out of line the other way of other polls, either. If I put an "S" on South Carolina I would also have to do so on Pennsylvania, which I think few want me to do. Just remember -- aqua isn't far from sand.  49-46 is aqua, 48-48 is white, and 47-50 is sand. 48-40  is aqua, and you would have to believe that 9 of the 12 who didn't give an opinion really think that Obama is sub-par to contradict "aqua".
 

Even so, I look at the Jesse Helms-like stances of James DeMint, the adultery-across -70-degrees-of-latitude  scandal involving the Governor, a callow racist statement by the Lieutenant Governor (the one making an analogy between stray animals and poor people, basically "The more we feed, the more they breed", a KKK slogan, by the way), and the "You lie!" outburst by Rep. Joe Wilson, and I can see South Carolina as a disaster for the GOP in 2010. It's only one state, but it is one. 



Well, do you remember back in the day when you initially decided on the "s" moniker for spurious or suspect polls?  It was when SurveyUSA initially had Virginia approval at 38/58, when the previous poll just a few weeks before had it around 47/52 or so.  Therefore, such a big and questionable change would render a poll "suspect", as I believe you yourself said.

Now, let's extrapolate that to the South Carolina poll number this time around.  The last poll out of SC had around a 50% disapproval for the President, correct?  Perhaps you can check that out.  In my opinion, a change of ~10% for no reason would qualify as "spurious", wouldn't you agree? 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on February 25, 2010, 08:19:48 PM
You might want to consider putting an "S" on that South Carolina poll, Pbrower...

Show me that it is a partisan poll and I will do better-- I will remove it.

I thought about that -- but that's about where Obama has been in South Carolina since November with no poll of any kind since December. I thought that that was something like 47%.

It's 48%-40%, which has a HUGE undecided component -- 12%. The only thing strange about the poll is the huge undecided component.  But that large undecided/no response component doesn't hide the fact that the Republicans are doing badly in South Carolina. Think about it: 28% of the people are undecided on whether they like their incumbent Senator. In what is supposed to be a good year for Republicans, an incumbent Republican Senator in a supposedly-strong Republican state should have an approval above 42%.

Rasmussen could give a harder poll at any time, and that would be enough to cut down this possible outlier.  But I also thought of the 41% F&M rating in Pennsylvania, which isn't too far out of line the other way of other polls, either. If I put an "S" on South Carolina I would also have to do so on Pennsylvania, which I think few want me to do. Just remember -- aqua isn't far from sand.  49-46 is aqua, 48-48 is white, and 47-50 is sand. 48-40  is aqua, and you would have to believe that 9 of the 12 who didn't give an opinion really think that Obama is sub-par to contradict "aqua".
 

Even so, I look at the Jesse Helms-like stances of James DeMint, the adultery-across -70-degrees-of-latitude  scandal involving the Governor, a callow racist statement by the Lieutenant Governor (the one making an analogy between stray animals and poor people, basically "The more we feed, the more they breed", a KKK slogan, by the way), and the "You lie!" outburst by Rep. Joe Wilson, and I can see South Carolina as a disaster for the GOP in 2010. It's only one state, but it is one. 



Well, do you remember back in the day when you initially decided on the "s" moniker for spurious or suspect polls?  It was when SurveyUSA initially had Virginia approval at 38/58, when the previous poll just a few weeks before had it around 47/52 or so.  Therefore, such a big and questionable change would render a poll "suspect", as I believe you yourself said.

Now, let's extrapolate that to the South Carolina poll number this time around.  The last poll out of SC had around a 50% disapproval for the President, correct?  Perhaps you can check that out.  In my opinion, a change of ~10% for no reason would qualify as "spurious", wouldn't you agree? 

Additionally, the spurious one up in Washington was too far from the one in Oregon, which was the justification for it being suspicious. This one seems pretty out-of-whack with all the states in the region.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 26, 2010, 12:07:03 AM
You might want to consider putting an "S" on that South Carolina poll, Pbrower...

Show me that it is a partisan poll and I will do better-- I will remove it.

I thought about that -- but that's about where Obama has been in South Carolina since November with no poll of any kind since December. I thought that that was something like 47%.

It's 48%-40%, which has a HUGE undecided component -- 12%. The only thing strange about the poll is the huge undecided component.  But that large undecided/no response component doesn't hide the fact that the Republicans are doing badly in South Carolina. Think about it: 28% of the people are undecided on whether they like their incumbent Senator. In what is supposed to be a good year for Republicans, an incumbent Republican Senator in a supposedly-strong Republican state should have an approval above 42%.

Rasmussen could give a harder poll at any time, and that would be enough to cut down this possible outlier.  But I also thought of the 41% F&M rating in Pennsylvania, which isn't too far out of line the other way of other polls, either. If I put an "S" on South Carolina I would also have to do so on Pennsylvania, which I think few want me to do. Just remember -- aqua isn't far from sand.  49-46 is aqua, 48-48 is white, and 47-50 is sand. 48-40  is aqua, and you would have to believe that 9 of the 12 who didn't give an opinion really think that Obama is sub-par to contradict "aqua".
 

Even so, I look at the Jesse Helms-like stances of James DeMint, the adultery-across -70-degrees-of-latitude  scandal involving the Governor, a callow racist statement by the Lieutenant Governor (the one making an analogy between stray animals and poor people, basically "The more we feed, the more they breed", a KKK slogan, by the way), and the "You lie!" outburst by Rep. Joe Wilson, and I can see South Carolina as a disaster for the GOP in 2010. It's only one state, but it is one. 



Well, do you remember back in the day when you initially decided on the "s" moniker for spurious or suspect polls?  It was when SurveyUSA initially had Virginia approval at 38/58, when the previous poll just a few weeks before had it around 47/52 or so.  Therefore, such a big and questionable change would render a poll "suspect", as I believe you yourself said.

Now, let's extrapolate that to the South Carolina poll number this time around.  The last poll out of SC had around a 50% disapproval for the President, correct?  Perhaps you can check that out.  In my opinion, a change of ~10% for no reason would qualify as "spurious", wouldn't you agree? 

A jump of 10% is not in itself a cause for a "spurious" indicator, and that did not happen in South Carolina.  It's the low disapproval -- the result of a high percentage of people best described as "undecided" -- that is suspect -- not the approval rating. There was no huge move in approval.  We are here judging approval and not disapproval. In the past four months I have seen four polls showing Obama getting approval in the 45-49 range in South Carolina. If you think that all the "undecided" are really "disapproval" then you would have a 48-52 split and the same sand color that you have seen in South Carolina for four months on my map. But think of what that means for the incumbent Senator up for re-election; he'd be down 42-57 or so, which is in Harry Reid territory.

Can we accept that South Carolina might itself be acting out of apparent character? Is that any less strange than some of the low approval ratings for President Obama in Pennsylvania?

I took the "S" mark off as other polls either repudiated or confirmed what looked like outlier polls. When Obama had approval ratings in the low 30s  in Kansas, Kentucky, Missouri, and Virginia at the same time... something was fishy.

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 26, 2010, 11:39:49 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 44%

Disapprove 55%

Obama's "strongly approve" number is 23%, -2; "strongly disapprove is at 43 a +3 uptick


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on February 26, 2010, 09:07:29 PM
Michigan:

45% Approve
54% Disapprove

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/misc?URL=/templates/ArticleMultiMediaPopup.pbs&dato=20100226&lopenr=100226061&Category=NEWS15&Params=Id=152672


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 27, 2010, 01:05:49 AM

No need to include it in your map, because it`s an excellent/good bla bla bla poll by EPIC/MRA.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 27, 2010, 01:21:53 AM
Maryland (Rasmussen):

59% Approve
40% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Maryland was conducted by Rasmussen Reports, February 23, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/maryland/toplines/toplines_2010_maryland_governor_february_23_2010

South Dakota (Rasmussen):

40% Approve
59% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in South Dakota was conducted by Rasmussen Reports, February 23, 2010 . The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/south_dakota/toplines/toplines_2010_south_dakota_governor_race_february_23_2010

North Carolina (Rasmussen):

43% Approve
56% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in North Carolina was conducted by Rasmussen Reports, February 23, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/north_carolina/toplines/toplines_2010_north_carolina_senate_february_23_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 27, 2010, 01:28:29 AM
North Carolina (Elon University):

50% Approve
45% Disapprove

53% Favorable
41% Unfavorable

The survey was conducted Monday, February 22nd, through Thursday, February 25th, of 2010.
During this time calls were made from 5:00 pm to 9:00 pm EST. The Elon University Poll uses
CATI system software (Computer Assisted Telephone Interviewing) in the administration of
surveys. Interviews for this survey were completed with 508 adults from North Carolina.
For a sample size of 508, there is a 95 percent probability that our survey results are within plus
or minus 4.4 percentage points (the margin of sampling error) of the actual population
distribution for any given question.

http://www.elon.edu/docs/e-web/elonpoll/elonpoll_data_tables_2_26_10.pdf

Delaware (R2000/DailyKos):

59% Favorable
36% Unfavorable

The Research 2000 Delaware Poll was conducted from February 22 through February 24, 2010. A total of 600 likely voters who vote regularly in state elections were interviewed statewide by telephone.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2010/2/24/DE/455

Illinois (R2000/DailyKos):

60% Favorable
36% Unfavorable

The Research 2000 Illinois Poll was conducted from February 22 through February 24, 2010. A total of 600 likely voters who vote regularly in state elections were interviewed statewide by telephone.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2010/2/24/IL/445

Nevada (Mason Dixon):

39% Favorable
46% Unfavorable
15% Neutral

This poll was conducted by Mason-Dixon Polling & Research, Inc. of Washington, D.C. from February 22 through February 24, 2010. A total of 625 registered Nevada voters were interviewed statewide by telephone. All stated they vote regularly in state elections.

http://www.lvrj.com/hottopics/politics/polls/feb_2010_1_polls.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 27, 2010, 05:56:57 AM
NC -- two polls, and they average into the same as before. No change. DE, IL, NV not usable. MD, SD usable updates without change. MI -- EGFP results dropped.


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 27, 2010, 09:55:23 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 43%

Disapprove 55%

Obama's "strongly approve" number is 22%, -1; "strongly disapprove is at 43, unchanged.


There could be a bad sample with low "strongly approve" numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on February 27, 2010, 02:53:09 PM
He's really losing his support in the mountain west. Just a year ago there was talk that the region would become one full of Democratic and swing states. The swings in Montana, Nevada, and New Mexido, (and Colorado to a lesser extent) were profound. While I sort of expected this, it's still a strikingly swift swing against the majority party.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on February 27, 2010, 03:19:08 PM
He's really losing his support in the mountain west. Just a year ago there was talk that the region would become one full of Democratic and swing states. The swings in Montana, Nevada, and New Mexido, (and Colorado to a lesser extent) were profound. While I sort of expected this, it's still a strikingly swift swing against the majority party.

Is Obama losing Hispanics in those states, all of a sudden?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 27, 2010, 07:08:16 PM
He's really losing his support in the mountain west. Just a year ago there was talk that the region would become one full of Democratic and swing states. The swings in Montana, Nevada, and New Mexico, (and Colorado to a lesser extent) were profound. While I sort of expected this, it's still a strikingly swift swing against the majority party.

Is Obama losing Hispanics in those states, all of a sudden?

If Obama is losing those voters, then he will be in electoral trouble in 2012. If the pollsters aren't reaching them for any of several reason, then Obama is in better shape than polls indicate. I can't say which is so.

Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico have lots of Hispanics; Montana has few. The largest minority in Montana is First Peoples -- 7%.

1. It's possible that Hispanics (in CO, NV, and NM largely Mexican-Americans) are underrepresented in the polls, especially if they don't have landline phones. Hispanic voters are younger than the US average, and they are more likely to rely upon cell phones instead of landlines.  Pollsters can't reach cell phones. Even if Mexican-Americans, much more urban than America as a whole, have longer commutes, they are harder to reach by pollsters.

2. Except for Montana, the states broke late for Obama, mostly on economic grounds. Without the mortgage disaster that hit Mexican-Americans unusually hard (because they are younger and more likely at a lower level of income to buy into real estate), both Nevada and New Mexico went to Obama by wide margins instead of being close as many thought they would be.  Are Mexican-Americans "late deciders" in elections?  If such is so in 2010 and 2012 we could see some strange late moves in elections.

3. Many of the recent polls are by Rasmussen, of persons that Rasmussen assesses as "likely voters" which probably skew old and white.  Some people who will vote in 2010, let alone 2012, will have never voted in a local, state, or federal election. Rasmussen could poll someone 80 years old who hasn't missed an election in 57 years might seem a better bet to participate in the 2012 election than someone 15 years old now -- but not if the current 80-year-old has terminal cancer with a 6-month prognosis for survival.  Dead people, one hopes, do not vote. Hispanics, and especially Hispanic voters, skew young.

4. In 2008, Rasmussen typically underestimated the "likely vote" of 2008  until close to the election. Will 2012 be similar to 2008 in voting patterns? Your guess is as good as mine.  How good will the GOTV drives be? What sort of advertising will be on the air? Above all, will President Obama be seen then as an effective President with a promising Second Act? Will the GOP continue to trend to the Right with a tendency to alenate voters who would have been swing voters in 2004 or earlier? Again, your guess is as good as mine.    



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on February 28, 2010, 01:22:38 AM
I would add Arizona to the list of western states with alot of Hispanics


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 28, 2010, 10:00:25 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45%

Disapprove 54%

Obama's "strongly approve" number is 25%, +2; "strongly disapprove is at 42, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 28, 2010, 10:08:16 AM
I would add Arizona to the list of western states with alot of Hispanics

Definitely.

Is Texas "Western"?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 28, 2010, 11:06:18 AM
I thought I'd do a comparison with January's Rasmussen numbers:

For January, 2010, the range has been:

Approve:  44-50% 

Median:  47.0%

Disapprove:  50-55%

Median:  52.5%

Strongly Approve:  24-33%

Median:  28.5%

Strongly Disapprove:  39-43%

Median:  41.0%

For February, 2010, the range has been:

Approve:  43-50% 

Median:  46.5%

Disapprove:  49-56%

Median:  52.5%

Strongly Approve:  22-35%

Median:  28.5%

Strongly Disapprove:  37-43%

Median:  40.0%

Ironically, the numbers that have shown the most variability are Obama's "Strongly Approve" rating in both months.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: nhmagic on February 28, 2010, 12:25:25 PM
p2, liberals always use the cell phone argument, but the fact is that in most polls, democrats outpoll their actual support/margin in elections by 3-4%.  Everyone - not just the young or hispanic has a cell phone now - a republican is just as likely as a democrat to have one.  I don't buy it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 28, 2010, 12:40:30 PM
p2, liberals always use the cell phone argument, but the fact is that in most polls, democrats outpoll their actual support/margin in elections by 3-4%.  Everyone - not just the young or hispanic has a cell phone now - a republican is just as likely as a democrat to have one.  I don't buy it.

cite?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: nhmagic on February 28, 2010, 01:33:37 PM
p2, liberals always use the cell phone argument, but the fact is that in most polls, democrats outpoll their actual support/margin in elections by 3-4%.  Everyone - not just the young or hispanic has a cell phone now - a republican is just as likely as a democrat to have one.  I don't buy it.

cite?
Just for you Lief - though Im only doing it once, and then you're done getting a response from me on citation, as no other republican is asked on this board to do that other than me. 

Actual margin: 7.27
Marist 11/03 - 11/03 804 LV 4.0 52 43 Obama +9
Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby 11/01 - 11/03 1201 LV 2.9 54 43 Obama +11
IBD/TIPP 11/01 - 11/03 981 LV 3.2 52 44 Obama +8
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 11/01 - 11/02 1011 LV 3.1 51 43 Obama +8
Gallup 10/31 - 11/02 2472 LV 2.0 55 44 Obama +11
CBS News 10/31 - 11/02 714 LV -- 51 42 Obama +9
ABC News/Wash Post 10/30 - 11/02 2470 LV 2.5 53 44 Obama +9

Tester actual margin: .87
Rasmussen 11/04 - 11/04 500 LV 48% 50% Tester +2%
USA Today/Gallup 11/01 - 11/04 874 LV 41% 50% Tester +9%

Begich 1.25
Research 2000 10/28 - 10/30 600 LV 58 36 Begich +22
Rasmussen 10/28 - 10/28 500 LV 52 44 Begich +8

Udall 10.31
National Journal/FD 10/23 - 10/27 409 RV 51 36 Udall +15
Associated Press/GfK 10/22 - 10/26 626 LV 48 36 Udall +12
Rocky Mtn News/CBS4 10/21 - 10/23 500 LV 51 38 Udall +13

Shaheen 6.34
Rasmussen 10/30 - 10/30 700 LV 52 44 Shaheen +8
SurveyUSA 10/29 - 10/30 682 LV 53 40 Shaheen +13
ARG 10/28 - 10/30 600 LV 53 41 Shaheen +12

Shall I Go On?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on February 28, 2010, 01:50:19 PM
Alot of those polls are ridiculous to begin with.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 28, 2010, 02:13:47 PM
p2, liberals always use the cell phone argument, but the fact is that in most polls, democrats outpoll their actual support/margin in elections by 3-4%.  Everyone - not just the young or hispanic has a cell phone now - a republican is just as likely as a democrat to have one.  I don't buy it.

cite?
Just for you Lief - though Im only doing it once, and then you're done getting a response from me on citation, as no other republican is asked on this board to do that other than me. 

Actual margin: 7.27
Marist 11/03 - 11/03 804 LV 4.0 52 43 Obama +9
Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby 11/01 - 11/03 1201 LV 2.9 54 43 Obama +11
IBD/TIPP 11/01 - 11/03 981 LV 3.2 52 44 Obama +8
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 11/01 - 11/02 1011 LV 3.1 51 43 Obama +8
Gallup 10/31 - 11/02 2472 LV 2.0 55 44 Obama +11
CBS News 10/31 - 11/02 714 LV -- 51 42 Obama +9
ABC News/Wash Post 10/30 - 11/02 2470 LV 2.5 53 44 Obama +9

Tester actual margin: .87
Rasmussen 11/04 - 11/04 500 LV 48% 50% Tester +2%
USA Today/Gallup 11/01 - 11/04 874 LV 41% 50% Tester +9%

Begich 1.25
Research 2000 10/28 - 10/30 600 LV 58 36 Begich +22
Rasmussen 10/28 - 10/28 500 LV 52 44 Begich +8

Udall 10.31
National Journal/FD 10/23 - 10/27 409 RV 51 36 Udall +15
Associated Press/GfK 10/22 - 10/26 626 LV 48 36 Udall +12
Rocky Mtn News/CBS4 10/21 - 10/23 500 LV 51 38 Udall +13

Shaheen 6.34
Rasmussen 10/30 - 10/30 700 LV 52 44 Shaheen +8
SurveyUSA 10/29 - 10/30 682 LV 53 40 Shaheen +13
ARG 10/28 - 10/30 600 LV 53 41 Shaheen +12

Shall I Go On?

Yes, of course. Five races out of thousands doesn't prove anything.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 28, 2010, 02:31:59 PM
p2, liberals always use the cell phone argument, but the fact is that in most polls, democrats outpoll their actual support/margin in elections by 3-4%.  Everyone - not just the young or hispanic has a cell phone now - a republican is just as likely as a democrat to have one.  I don't buy it.

The landline is a past-peak technology, much like VHS tapes were about eight years ago and DVDs are now. It is not an area with potential for growth, and there are more attractive and in some ways economical alternatives that afford profits for investors. Landline phone operators are now obliged to cut costs to keep their customer base.  

The argument isn't that young Hispanics have cell phones; it is that they are more likely than other Americans to have cell phones but not landlines. They are much more liberal-leaning than the rest of America. I don't deny that Republicans have cell phones, too; it's just that people who have landline phones are now older and whiter -- and thus more Republican-leaning than those who have cell phones but not landline phones. Given a choice (and I am 54 and white) I would go all-cell, too.  

The 2008 election showed that most pollsters who had used methodology that got the 2000 and 2004 elections right got 2008 elections wrong. Electoral behavior in 2008 was different in 2008 from 2008; it is either an anomaly that will go back to Earth with close elections that the Republicans win in 2012 (including the Presidency) or that voting behavior has predictably changed to the benefit of Democrats for the next few electoral cycles. The 2006 elections showed the trend.

I try not to make extrapolations except of phenomena that offer some evidential basis. Look at it this way: if the Arizona Diamondbacks start the season 12-18 and win three blowout baseball games, then does that suggest a trend that they have suddenly become the 1927 Yankees? Hardly! But what if they win ten straight games, some close and some not-so-close? Bingo. Bad baseball teams do not win ten straight baseball games.  They might have a 7-3 stretch on occasion (six of the games in the stretch are with the Washington Nationals, and the Diamondbacks are uncharacteristically lucky in a meeting with the Phillies).

It is just as easy to claim that pollsters are missing certain voters because of their methodology as that the supposed support for Obama or for Democrats is vanishing. Example: Rasmussen typically has polls of "likely voters" in polls asking for approval of Obama. That is more conservative-leaning than "adults" or even "registered voters".  In 2008 the "likely voter" approach underestimated the Obama vote. Also, Rasmussen tends to use robo-polls on the grounds that they are more neutral because in a personal call the person asking the questions might suggest things even without knowing so, leading the polled person to make one choice over another. Many people reject robocalls because they are often canned sales pitches "We can save you hundreds on new siding/windows/groceries" or recorded political messages. I don't know how that affects things.    

The political situation of November 2012 will be considerably different from what it is now.  Most of us expect Barack Obama to be the Democratic nominee, and few of us can predict who will be the Republican nominee. The electorate on the average will be born four years later than the electorate of 2008. The electorate will be just as old, but it will be less white, and it will have many new voters born between 1990 and 1994 -- and current trends expect that those age groups will be just as Democratic-leaning as those born between 1986 and 1990. There will be an active campaign complete with ads --  content yet undetermined.

As a challenger, President Obama had a strong campaign apparatus; in 2012 he will take that out of mothballs (and he might take it out of mothballs in the late summer to aid any Democratic colleagues then in trouble). That won't be enough to rescue a failed Presidency should he have a poor-to-execrable one, but it will be enough that if he is even modestly successful as President, then he will win. Not one failed to win re-election because he was "too liberal" or "too conservative". I remember what many liberals said of Ronald Reagan in 1982 and 1983 -- one term because he was too "right-wing".

Need I discuss the failures?

1. William Howard Taft. Temperamentally unsuited to the Presidency. He was perfectly fit to be a Chief Justice, though. (The next step for Barack Obama is probably either as a  Justice of the US Supreme Court, membership on the International Court of Justice,  or Secretary-General of the United Nations -- but I think after two full terms as President).

2. Herbert Hoover. Everything that could go wrong in peacetime did go wrong.  America went from bright-and-cheery when he was inaugurated to dreadful. (With Obama the time began as dreadful and ominous, rest of the story to be known by November 2012).

3. Gerald Ford. Got to the Presidency through the back door, having never been elected to any office other than representative. Ford had no idea of how to campaign beyond a Congressional district until too late, and he lost to a weak challenger.  No analogy here.

4. Jimmy Carter.  The weak challenger to Gerald Ford. He accomplished little as President because he was always an outsider who tried to bring Atlanta ways to Washington.  He lost to someone who exuded confidence in his own abilities and presented himself as more moderate than his early reputation.

Obama was and remains very much a political insider, and his political skills look more like those of Ronald Reagan. He has not tried to impose Chicago political ways upon Washington. Carter doesn't look like much of a comparison to Obama.

5. George H. W. Bush. A successor to a successful President, he achieved about everything he wanted to achieve during his Presidency but failed to offer a coherent vision of what he would do in a second term -- nothing but platitudes. This, I think, is now the most likely model for a failure of President Obama to be re-elected.  

Remember -- incumbent Presidents running for re-election since 1900, inclusive, have won 13 of 18 elections in which they ran. At this stage of the political calendar, random chance says more than almost anything else. Incumbency has its advantages for a candidate. There will be economic vicissitudes; there will be wars and threats of war elsewhere. Any prediction of the future requires some vagueness. But that said, the best prediction now is that President Obama has roughly a 72.2% chance of being re-elected. Divide 13 by 18, and such is the result.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on February 28, 2010, 10:52:20 PM
p2, liberals always use the cell phone argument, but the fact is that in most polls, democrats outpoll their actual support/margin in elections by 3-4%.  Everyone - not just the young or hispanic has a cell phone now - a republican is just as likely as a democrat to have one.  I don't buy it.

The political situation of November 2012 will be considerably different from what it is now.  Most of us expect Barack Obama to be the Democratic nominee, and few of us can predict who will be the Republican nominee. The electorate on the average will be born four years later than the electorate of 2008. The electorate will be just as old, but it will be less white, and it will have many new voters born between 1990 and 1994 -- and current trends expect that those age groups will be just as Democratic-leaning as those born between 1986 and 1990. There will be an active campaign complete with ads --  content yet undetermined.

As a challenger, President Obama had a strong campaign apparatus; in 2012 he will take that out of mothballs (and he might take it out of mothballs in the late summer to aid any Democratic colleagues then in trouble). That won't be enough to rescue a failed Presidency should he have a poor-to-execrable one, but it will be enough that if he is even modestly successful as President, then he will win. Not one failed to win re-election because he was "too liberal" or "too conservative". I remember what many liberals said of Ronald Reagan in 1982 and 1983 -- one term because he was too "right-wing".

Need I discuss the failures?

1. William Howard Taft. Temperamentally unsuited to the Presidency. He was perfectly fit to be a Chief Justice, though. (The next step for Barack Obama is probably either as a  Justice of the US Supreme Court, membership on the International Court of Justice,  or Secretary-General of the United Nations -- but I think after two full terms as President).

2. Herbert Hoover. Everything that could go wrong in peacetime did go wrong.  America went from bright-and-cheery when he was inaugurated to dreadful. (With Obama the time began as dreadful and ominous, rest of the story to be known by November 2012).

3. Gerald Ford. Got to the Presidency through the back door, having never been elected to any office other than representative. Ford had no idea of how to campaign beyond a Congressional district until too late, and he lost to a weak challenger.  No analogy here.

4. Jimmy Carter.  The weak challenger to Gerald Ford. He accomplished little as President because he was always an outsider who tried to bring Atlanta ways to Washington.  He lost to someone who exuded confidence in his own abilities and presented himself as more moderate than his early reputation.

Obama was and remains very much a political insider, and his political skills look more like those of Ronald Reagan. He has not tried to impose Chicago political ways upon Washington. Carter doesn't look like much of a comparison to Obama.

5. George H. W. Bush. A successor to a successful President, he achieved about everything he wanted to achieve during his Presidency but failed to offer a coherent vision of what he would do in a second term -- nothing but platitudes. This, I think, is now the most likely model for a failure of President Obama to be re-elected.  



If Obama had the political skills that Reagan had, he would have passed healthcare last summer.  Obama not getting healthcare is equivalent to Reagan not getting his big tax cuts in 1981. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 28, 2010, 11:35:07 PM


4. Jimmy Carter.  The weak challenger to Gerald Ford. He accomplished little as President because he was always an outsider who tried to bring Atlanta ways to Washington.  He lost to someone who exuded confidence in his own abilities and presented himself as more moderate than his early reputation.

Obama was and remains very much a political insider, and his political skills look more like those of Ronald Reagan. He has not tried to impose Chicago political ways upon Washington. Carter doesn't look like much of a comparison to Obama.



Jimmy Carter was a member of the Trilateral Commission, who had strong DC connections and populated the Executive Branch with old LBJ supporters.  Further, he ran one of the best Democratic campaigns in decades in 1976.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: All Along The Watchtower on March 01, 2010, 12:34:37 AM


4. Jimmy Carter.  The weak challenger to Gerald Ford. He accomplished little as President because he was always an outsider who tried to bring Atlanta ways to Washington.  He lost to someone who exuded confidence in his own abilities and presented himself as more moderate than his early reputation.

Obama was and remains very much a political insider, and his political skills look more like those of Ronald Reagan. He has not tried to impose Chicago political ways upon Washington. Carter doesn't look like much of a comparison to Obama.



Jimmy Carter was a member of the Trilateral Commission, who had strong DC connections and populated the Executive Branch with old LBJ supporters.  Further, he ran one of the best Democratic campaigns in decades in 1976.

Yet he still refused to play by Congress' rules, which is part of the reason he had so much trouble with his agenda.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 21st Century Independent on March 01, 2010, 03:24:30 AM
It will be interesting what the lingering effect will be of the passage of the healthcare bill in 2012. If the economy is still in the gutter by then, healthcare will be an issue that will be tagged by republicans as one of the reasons why the economy is still bad. If the economy is good, healthcare will be then an issue to play out in 2016.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 01, 2010, 09:59:05 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47%

Disapprove 52%

Obama's "strongly approve" number is 25%, +3; "strongly disapprove is at 38, -4.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 01, 2010, 10:00:25 AM


4. Jimmy Carter.  The weak challenger to Gerald Ford. He accomplished little as President because he was always an outsider who tried to bring Atlanta ways to Washington.  He lost to someone who exuded confidence in his own abilities and presented himself as more moderate than his early reputation.

Obama was and remains very much a political insider, and his political skills look more like those of Ronald Reagan. He has not tried to impose Chicago political ways upon Washington. Carter doesn't look like much of a comparison to Obama.



Jimmy Carter was a member of the Trilateral Commission, who had strong DC connections and populated the Executive Branch with old LBJ supporters.  Further, he ran one of the best Democratic campaigns in decades in 1976.

Yet he still refused to play by Congress' rules, which is part of the reason he had so much trouble with his agenda.

Don't confuse bad political decisions with being an outsider.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 01, 2010, 12:12:31 PM


4. Jimmy Carter.  The weak challenger to Gerald Ford. He accomplished little as President because he was always an outsider who tried to bring Atlanta ways to Washington.  He lost to someone who exuded confidence in his own abilities and presented himself as more moderate than his early reputation.

Obama was and remains very much a political insider, and his political skills look more like those of Ronald Reagan. He has not tried to impose Chicago political ways upon Washington. Carter doesn't look like much of a comparison to Obama.



Jimmy Carter was a member of the Trilateral Commission, who had strong DC connections and populated the Executive Branch with old LBJ supporters.  Further, he ran one of the best Democratic campaigns in decades in 1976.

Yet he still refused to play by Congress' rules, which is part of the reason he had so much trouble with his agenda.

Don't confuse bad political decisions with being an outsider.

Failure to adapt to political realities is itself a bad political decision. Ronald Reagan did not make that mistake.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 01, 2010, 01:40:01 PM
Kansas (Rasmussen):

42% Approve
58% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Kansas was conducted by Rasmussen Reports, February 24, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/kansas/toplines/toplines_kansas_february_24_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 01, 2010, 01:51:01 PM
Kansas update. For a state that is about the 45th state that Obama would win in 2012, not bad for Obama. The state would go to Obama against a nutty opponent, but that is about it. Still a February poll, of course.

Kansas (Rasmussen):

42% Approve
58% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Kansas was conducted by Rasmussen Reports, February 24, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/kansas/toplines/toplines_kansas_february_24_2010

Least likely electoral votes to go to Obama:

NE-03 (1), UT, WY, ID, AL, OK. KS, NE-at large (2)

Somehow, Rasmussen tracking polls that suggested a 45-54  or even 47-52 split in nationwide approval don't fit Kansas.  The cellular-landline phone split is a wash.


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.

.....

How can Pennsylvania (solid  Obama Obama win in 2008), Ohio  (bare Obama win), Georgia (bare loss), and Kansas (one of Obama's most blatant losses in 2008) now be in the same category for approval?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 01, 2010, 01:55:00 PM
We`ll also get new OK Rasmussen numbers in 1 hour ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on March 01, 2010, 04:02:17 PM
We`ll also get new OK Rasmussen numbers in 1 hour ...

Oh boy, not looking forward to this...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ebowed on March 01, 2010, 05:01:43 PM
We`ll also get new OK Rasmussen numbers in 1 hour ...

Oh boy, not looking forward to this...

You aren't looking forward to hearing the verdict from Real America?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on March 01, 2010, 06:20:25 PM
Oklahoma

38% Approve
62% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/oklahoma/election_2010_oklahoma_senate


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on March 01, 2010, 08:46:06 PM
Why is the page so wide.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RI on March 01, 2010, 09:01:47 PM

An improvement over his actual vote total, for what it's worth...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on March 01, 2010, 11:12:34 PM

An improvement over his actual vote total, for what it's worth...

Yeah, that's kind of interesting.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 02, 2010, 02:07:34 PM
Rhode Island (Rasmussen):

62% Approve
37% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Rhode Island was conducted by Rasmussen Reports, February 25, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/rhode_island/toplines/toplines_rhode_island_governor_february_25_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 02, 2010, 02:10:31 PM
Arkansas (Rasmussen):

38% Approve
60% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Arkansas was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 1, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arkansas/toplines/toplines_arkansas_senate_march_1_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 02, 2010, 02:14:41 PM
Georgia (PPP):

43% Approve
54% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 596 Georgia voters from February 26th to 28th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-4.0%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_GA_302.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 02, 2010, 02:16:44 PM
Pennsylvania (Quinnipiac):

49% Approve
46% Disapprove

From February 22 - 28, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,452 Pennsylvania voters, with a margin of error of +/- 2.6 percentage points. The survey includes 649 Democrats, with a margin of error of +/- 3.9 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1327.xml?ReleaseID=1428


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 02, 2010, 02:21:26 PM
Georgia (InsiderAdvantage):

41% Approve
55% Disapprove

Both the Obama and Perdue surveys included 1,184 registered voters and were weighted for age, race, gender, and political affiliation. The margin of error was plus or minus 2.7%.

http://www.southernpoliticalreport.com/story.aspx?sid=1286


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 02, 2010, 04:20:23 PM



Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47%

Disapprove 52%

Obama's "strongly approve" number is 27%, +1; "strongly disapprove" is at 40, +2.







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 02, 2010, 04:23:16 PM
PA, RI updates; others change nothing.  

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 03, 2010, 12:54:16 AM
New York (Rasmussen):

57% Approve
42% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in New York was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 1, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/new_york/toplines/toplines_2010_new_york_governor_election_march_1_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on March 03, 2010, 09:55:52 AM

An improvement over his actual vote total, for what it's worth...

Yeah, that's kind of interesting.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 03, 2010, 09:57:11 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47%

Disapprove 53%

Obama's "strongly approve" number at -1; "strongly disapprove" unchanged


His January number were 47% approve, 52% disapproved.  Since October, Obama's monthly numbers approval have ranged from 46%-48%.  Very stable.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on March 03, 2010, 04:36:53 PM

An improvement over his actual vote total, for what it's worth...


Interesting, but a bit high I would think. Rasmussen has Obama at 47% nationally and then at 38% in Oklahoma? Only 9 points less?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 04, 2010, 01:44:28 AM
Tennessee (MTSU):

42% Approve
51% Disapprove

The poll was conducted by telephone Feb. 15-27, 2010, by students in the College of Mass Communication at Middle Tennessee State University. Students interviewed 634 people age 18 or older chosen at random from the state population. The poll has an estimated error margin of ± 4 percentage points at the 95 percent level of confidence.

http://www.mtsusurveygroup.org/s2010/MTSU%20Poll%20National%20Politics%20Report%20Spring%202010.htm


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 04, 2010, 08:33:47 AM
Tennessee checks in for the first time in a long time:

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.

Surprisingly good for Obama. Still a February poll.

Maine, Mississippi, Montana, and West Virginia polls would be extremely welcome.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 04, 2010, 08:49:48 AM

An improvement over his actual vote total, for what it's worth...


Interesting, but a bit high I would think. Rasmussen has Obama at 47% nationally and then at 38% in Oklahoma? Only 9 points less?

If you look at my approval map, you will notice that President Obama has higher approval than disapproval in every polled state that George W. Bush failed to win in both 2000 and 2004 except for Wisconsin. Wisconsin was very close in 2004, so it is almost a quibble, but if you trade South Carolina for Wisconsin, you get a fair idea of the Blue Firewall, deep blue for those with percentages over 50% and plain blue for states with larger approvals than disapproval but under 50%  -- and I will guess that approval ratings for Obama  are above 50% in Maine, Hawaii, and DC -- that President Obama wil have to win to have a real shot at re-election.

States in sand include the three states that Dubya won once in 2000 and 2004 (IA, NH, NM)-- and Obama needs to win all three of them to have a real chance. All states in sand show Obama with at least 45% support. But in a nationwide election, an incumbent President has about a 50% chance of winning nationally with an approval of 44% nationwide (Nate Silver) in the Gallup approval poll closest to the election. To suggest that the same applies to states seems reasonable enough. At 47% approval, the chance of winning is about 95%.

In 2008 Obama won every state in this category except South Carolina, which is something of a surprise -- for South Carolina.

In tan are states in which Obama has an approval rating between 40% and 44%, inclusively. At 42% approval the chance of winning is about 5%, at 43%, maybe 20%.  Of these states, Obama won only two -- Ohio and Indiana. He would probably win two of the states in this category -- most likely Ohio, but the other is about as likely Arizona, Georgia, Indiana, or Missouri. We may see a reversion toward the mean, with approval ratings coming down to Earth in some places and rising toward the mean where he was crushed in 2008.

Red? Approval below 40% or unknown and probably not very good. I adapted this map from somewhere else, and the only reasonable conclusion about these states is NO WAY.

Green appears for Nebraska, which splits its electoral votes. NE-03 is arguably the last electoral vote that could ever go for Barack Obama in 2012, a district so strongly Republican that it likely overpowers the rest of the state even if Obama wins two of the three districts. NE-01 votes much like Texas; NE-02 votes much like Indiana.



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The patterns of approval for the President now look much like those of 2008. Add 5% to the approval rating in most states and one gets about how most states voted in 2008 except that Obama seems to do better in those states in which he did very badly.  

The political culture of most states seems much the same as within the period 1992-2008. This is 32 months before the 2012 election, before many of the events that define Presidential success or failure can have occurred, and of course before electoral campaigns are in the field and paid political ads are on the air.    

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 04, 2010, 09:37:03 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47%

Disapprove 53% (+1)

Obama's "strongly approve" number is 26%,-1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 04, 2010, 02:34:51 PM
New Jersey (FDU):

53% Approve
38% Disapprove

The Fairleigh Dickinson University poll of 801 registered voters statewide was conducted by telephone from Feb. 23, 2010, through March 1, 2010, and has a margin of error of +/- 3.5 percentage points.

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/menendez1003/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 04, 2010, 02:37:32 PM
Connecticut (Rasmussen):

53% Approve
46% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Connecticut was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 2, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/connecticut/toplines/toplines_2010_connecticut_senate_march_2_2010

Kentucky (Rasmussen):

37% Approve
59% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Kentucky was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 3, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/kentucky/toplines/toplines_2010_kentucky_senate_race_march_2_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 04, 2010, 02:44:11 PM
New Texas Rasmussen stuff will also be released later today at 5pm.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on March 04, 2010, 05:53:38 PM
Texas (Rassmussen)
29% approve
62% disapprove
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/texas/election_2010_texas_governor


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 04, 2010, 06:07:32 PM
Texas (Rassmussen)
29% approve
62% disapprove
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/texas/election_2010_texas_governor

...Lowest approval in the nation? Doubt it...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on March 04, 2010, 06:12:55 PM
Texas (Rassmussen)
29% approve
62% disapprove
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/texas/election_2010_texas_governor

...Lowest approval in the nation? Doubt it...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 04, 2010, 06:48:34 PM
First March polls (letter C). The Texas poll is EGFP, which is not to be used:

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.

Surprisingly good for Obama. Still a February poll.

Maine, Mississippi, Montana, and West Virginia polls would be extremely welcome.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on March 04, 2010, 07:09:01 PM
How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President?

    * Strongly approve 27% {25%} [27%] (29%)
    * Somewhat approve 9% {16%} [14%] (15%)
    * Somewhat disapprove 8% {7%} [10%] (8%)
    * Strongly disapprove 55% {50%} [48%] (46%)

Appears to be 36/63 to me


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on March 04, 2010, 07:20:21 PM
First March polls (letter C). The Texas poll is EGFP, which is not to be used:

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow 
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.

Surprisingly good for Obama. Still a February poll.

Maine, Mississippi, Montana, and West Virginia polls would be extremely welcome.




Texas isn't a EGFP poll...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on March 04, 2010, 07:23:45 PM
Devilman...pbrower knows that. What he meant to say was: "This poll shows a result I disapprove of, and that's why I don't wish to include it."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 04, 2010, 08:14:46 PM
This is the issue measured:

Twenty-nine percent (29%) think President Obama is doing a good or excellent job handling health care reform. Sixty-two percent (62%) rate his performance in this area as poor.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on March 04, 2010, 08:20:27 PM
Texas Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted March 3, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

27% Strongly approve

9% Somewhat approve

8% Somewhat disapprove

55% Strongly disapprove

1% Not sure


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on March 04, 2010, 08:22:43 PM
Texas Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted March 3, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

27% Strongly approve

9% Somewhat approve

8% Somewhat disapprove

55% Strongly disapprove

1% Not sure

When will your next map be up?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 04, 2010, 08:45:19 PM
Texas Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted March 3, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

27% Strongly approve

9% Somewhat approve

8% Somewhat disapprove

55% Strongly disapprove

1% Not sure



Not so screwy -- must be premium data. Texas checks in, and it is not a one-issue or EGFP poll.

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.

As for Texas -- it has perhaps the greatest "jumpiness" in approval polls even with the same pollster. Considering that the state isn't in a well-defined region of the US, and isn't even a region to itself, and is so huge and diverse (the state straddles regions), a 500-person sample might be wholly inadequate for a reliable poll. The only other states with any semblance of such regional division are perhaps Missouri and Virginia because they straddle the North and South... and for them, 500-person samples are enough.

The gubernatorial race is tightening. Draw your own conclusions on how that will affect Texas politics in 2010 and 2012. President Obama will not win Texas except in a 35-state landslide and about 450 electoral votes at the least, Texas accounting for roughly 35 of them. 



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on March 04, 2010, 09:45:52 PM
Texas Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted March 3, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

27% Strongly approve

9% Somewhat approve

8% Somewhat disapprove

55% Strongly disapprove

1% Not sure

When will your next map be up?

I've been real busy lately. Hopefully sometime this weekend I'll have it updated.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 05, 2010, 09:49:59 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 46%

Disapprove 53%





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on March 05, 2010, 12:33:04 PM
1. It's possible that Hispanics (in CO, NV, and NM largely Mexican-Americans) are underrepresented in the polls, especially if they don't have landline phones. Hispanic voters are younger than the US average, and they are more likely to rely upon cell phones instead of landlines.  Pollsters can't reach cell phones. Even if Mexican-Americans, much more urban than America as a whole, have longer commutes, they are harder to reach by pollsters.

I want to rant about this for a minute, because I hear this "ZOMG NO LANDLINE PHONES" business an awful lot. People have been saying that this has been making polls invalid since 2002, and yet I haven't seen any *real evidence* to suggest that polling is becoming much less reliable or Democratic performance is being significantly understated because of this phenomenon.

You can say it makes sense in your head, but it just doesn't translate to real life. There's simply no significant difference between who has land lines and who doesn't based on party lines. Polling still seems as accurate (or as inaccurate) as it's always been. And young people don't vote anyway, so who cares if a tiny subsample of a tiny subsample is skewed slightly?

"ZOMG LANDLINE FONE" is just the newest excuse to justify ugly poll numbers. Nothing more.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 05, 2010, 01:03:07 PM
1. It's possible that Hispanics (in CO, NV, and NM largely Mexican-Americans) are underrepresented in the polls, especially if they don't have landline phones. Hispanic voters are younger than the US average, and they are more likely to rely upon cell phones instead of landlines.  Pollsters can't reach cell phones. Even if Mexican-Americans, much more urban than America as a whole, have longer commutes, they are harder to reach by pollsters.

I want to rant about this for a minute, because I hear this "ZOMG NO LANDLINE PHONES" business an awful lot. People have been saying that this has been making polls invalid since 2002, and yet I haven't seen any *real evidence* to suggest that polling is becoming much less reliable or Democratic performance is being significantly understated because of this phenomenon.

You can say it makes sense in your head, but it just doesn't translate to real life. There's simply no significant difference between who has land lines and who doesn't based on party lines. Polling still seems as accurate (or as inaccurate) as it's always been. And young people don't vote anyway, so who cares if a tiny subsample of a tiny subsample is skewed slightly?

"ZOMG LANDLINE FONE" is just the newest excuse to justify ugly poll numbers. Nothing more.

I said only that it is possible. That is not to say that that explains one poll against another, and I don't know whether there might be others -- like elderly residents of senior citizens' homes -- who might also fit the pattern.

But if voters who have cellphones but not landline phones are heavily young and Hispanic, that could skew results in Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico as it might not do so so blatantly in Iowa or Vermont.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 05, 2010, 01:47:40 PM
Colorado (Rasmussen):

43% Approve
56% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Colorado was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 2, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/colorado/toplines/toplines_colorado_senate_march_2_2010

Nevada (Rasmussen):

44% Approve
56% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Nevada was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 3, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/nevada/toplines/toplines_2010_nevada_senate_march_3_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 05, 2010, 02:01:24 PM
New Jersey (Rutgers):

57% Approve
37% Disapprove

The Rutgers-Eagleton Poll was conducted from February 19-22, 2010 with a scientifically selected random sample of 886 registered voters. Data are weighted to represent known parameters in the New Jersey population, including gender, age, race, education, and Hispanic ethnicity. All results are reported with these weighted data.

http://eagletonpoll.rutgers.edu/polls/release_03-05-10.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on March 05, 2010, 02:26:06 PM
New Jersey (Rutgers):

57% Approve
37% Disapprove

The Rutgers-Eagleton Poll was conducted from February 19-22, 2010 with a scientifically selected random sample of 886 registered voters. Data are weighted to represent known parameters in the New Jersey population, including gender, age, race, education, and Hispanic ethnicity. All results are reported with these weighted data.

http://eagletonpoll.rutgers.edu/polls/release_03-05-10.pdf

LOL I went to Rutgers... not reliable data.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 05, 2010, 04:51:59 PM
NJ -- poll nothing changes; category slips, CO and NV.

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on March 05, 2010, 09:24:35 PM
I dont see how Obama wins Nevada or Colorado again.  Those are both states that seem to go against the White House when Democrats hold it.  In 1996, Clinton lost Colorado after winning it handily in 1992 and came within 4,000 votes of losing Nevada after winning it by 13,000 in 1992. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 06, 2010, 10:04:42 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45%

Disapprove 54%


Strongly Approve:  25%

Strongly Disapprove:  42%



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 06, 2010, 10:44:37 AM
I dont see how Obama wins Nevada or Colorado again.  Those are both states that seem to go against the White House when Democrats hold it.  In 1996, Clinton lost Colorado after winning it handily in 1992 and came within 4,000 votes of losing Nevada after winning it by 13,000 in 1992. 

President Obama loses those states if he loses a big chunk of the Hispanic vote in those two states. It is that simple. Will he? It's 32 months until the Presidential election, and much can happen between in 32 months.

President Obama is not in campaign mode, and he does not have his political apparatus running.  He will have it ready to run at the least for two important Senate races in those two states. He owes much to Harry Byrd, and he is not going to let Harry Byrd go down without a fight.

It's easy to extrapolate a short-term trend... but I can still imagine much going right for President Obama over the next 32 months. One is Iraq; another is Afghanistan. Graceful exits from both will be huge accomplishments well appreciated.

As for the danger of extrapolating a trend, I wouldn't extrapolate the last twelve months of stock market activity:

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In any event, economic conditions are much less dangerous than they were when President Obama took office.

OK -- Nevada was a surprise to everyone in 2008. Late in the campaign it was a toss-up, but the state went firmly for Obama -- probably because of the financial mess that hit young homeowners with huge mortgages hard.

I don't think that Obama can win Nevada as decisively in 2012 as in 2008 even against a certifiable nutcase as an opponent. Colorado is infamous for some of the most capricious voting patterns for any state.  



  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 06, 2010, 10:56:15 AM
Nebraska (Rasmussen):

38% Approve
61% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Nebraska was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 4, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/nebraska/toplines/toplines_nebraska_governor_march_4_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 06, 2010, 11:35:01 AM
Nebraska statewide update. NE-02 likely votes differently.

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on March 06, 2010, 12:00:51 PM
I dont see how Obama wins Nevada or Colorado again.  Those are both states that seem to go against the White House when Democrats hold it.  In 1996, Clinton lost Colorado after winning it handily in 1992 and came within 4,000 votes of losing Nevada after winning it by 13,000 in 1992. 

President Obama loses those states if he loses a big chunk of the Hispanic vote in those two states. It is that simple. Will he? It's 32 months until the Presidential election, and much can happen between in 32 months.

President Obama is not in campaign mode, and he does not have his political apparatus running.  He will have it ready to run at the least for two important Senate races in those two states. He owes much to Harry Byrd, and he is not going to let Harry Byrd go down without a fight.

It's easy to extrapolate a short-term trend... but I can still imagine much going right for President Obama over the next 32 months. One is Iraq; another is Afghanistan. Graceful exits from both will be huge accomplishments well appreciated.

As for the danger of extrapolating a trend, I wouldn't extrapolate the last twelve months of stock market activity:

()

In any event, economic conditions are much less dangerous than they were when President Obama took office.

OK -- Nevada was a surprise to everyone in 2008. Late in the campaign it was a toss-up, but the state went firmly for Obama -- probably because of the financial mess that hit young homeowners with huge mortgages hard.

I don't think that Obama can win Nevada as decisively in 2012 as in 2008 even against a certifiable nutcase as an opponent. Colorado is infamous for some of the most capricious voting patterns for any state.  



  

Not in campaign mode ? lol


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on March 06, 2010, 01:03:59 PM
Nebraska statewide update. NE-02 likely votes differently.

Yeah, Obama probably has a 60% approval rating there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 06, 2010, 02:03:07 PM
Nebraska statewide update. NE-02 likely votes differently.

Yeah, Obama probably has a 60% approval rating there.

I'd guess about 44%, give or take 3%.

NE-01 voted much like Texas.
NE-02 voted much like Indiana.
NE-03 voted much like Wyoming.

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 06, 2010, 02:13:04 PM
I dont see how Obama wins Nevada or Colorado again.  Those are both states that seem to go against the White House when Democrats hold it.  In 1996, Clinton lost Colorado after winning it handily in 1992 and came within 4,000 votes of losing Nevada after winning it by 13,000 in 1992. 

President Obama loses those states if he loses a big chunk of the Hispanic vote in those two states. It is that simple. Will he? It's 32 months until the Presidential election, and much can happen between in 32 months.

President Obama is not in campaign mode, and he does not have his political apparatus running.  He will have it ready to run at the least for two important Senate races in those two states. He owes much to Harry Byrd, and he is not going to let Harry Byrd go down without a fight.

It's easy to extrapolate a short-term trend... but I can still imagine much going right for President Obama over the next 32 months. One is Iraq; another is Afghanistan. Graceful exits from both will be huge accomplishments well appreciated.

I don't think that Obama can win Nevada as decisively in 2012 as in 2008 even against a certifiable nutcase as an opponent. Colorado is infamous for some of the most capricious voting patterns for any state.  


Not in campaign mode ? lol

I look at how Barack Obama won Nevada in 2008: he practically colonized the state with Democratic activists from California who knew that California was a sure thing. Many of those political activists changed legal residence to Nevada so that they could vote there. Such will happen again should Nevada be in doubt.

I look at how he won Colorado and New Mexico: with lots of campaign volunteers from Texas who knew that nothing that they could do in Texas could win Texas. Some probably changed their states of legal residence to Colorado or New Mexico so that they could vote where they were active.

Those California and Texas Democrats have mostly gone home. If necessary, they will be back. Some of the Texas activists will likely end up in Missouri in 2012, and some of the California activists will be in Arizona in 2012.

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 06, 2010, 04:16:13 PM




President Obama is not in campaign mode, and he does not have his political apparatus running.  He will have it ready to run at the least for two important Senate races in those two states. He owes much to Harry Byrd, and he is not going to let Harry Byrd go down without a fight.



Actually, he is.  It was reported last week.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 06, 2010, 06:12:31 PM
I dont see how Obama wins Nevada or Colorado again.  Those are both states that seem to go against the White House when Democrats hold it.  In 1996, Clinton lost Colorado after winning it handily in 1992 and came within 4,000 votes of losing Nevada after winning it by 13,000 in 1992. 

President Obama is not in campaign mode, and he does not have his political apparatus running.  He will have it ready to run at the least for two important Senate races in those two states. He owes much to Harry Byrd, and he is not going to let Harry Byrd go down without a fight.
   

Obama owes much to a 96 year-old segregationist?  That explains a lot.  But in all seriousness, Obama's campaign apparatus (which you insist will one day 'come out of the mothballs') has never really gone away.  Obama's Presidency has been one long presidential campaign.  The President has already gone to Nevada twice.  On both occasions, Reid saw his polling numbers fall.  Don't forget that there's a lot of animosity between Obama and Reid.  I wouldn't be surprised if Obama tries to sabotage his campaign.  Remember, Obama has no friends: only enemies he hasn't disposed of yet.

My goof -- I meant Harry Reid, D-NV.

As for "enemies that he hasn't disposed of yet" -- you make him sound like a mobster or a fascist dictator. You tell me where the dead bodies are. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on March 06, 2010, 06:20:01 PM
Gallup 47/46


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on March 06, 2010, 06:48:16 PM
Gallup has been ridiculous with wild swings lately, I really don't understand it.  About 4 days ago, he was at 52/41...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ScottM on March 06, 2010, 11:14:17 PM
Gallup has been ridiculous with wild swings lately, I really don't understand it.  About 4 days ago, he was at 52/41...

You never know what Gallup will say from day to day. There's way too much variation in it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on March 07, 2010, 05:08:39 AM
I look at how Barack Obama won Nevada in 2008: he practically colonized the state with Democratic activists from California who knew that California was a sure thing. Many of those political activists changed legal residence to Nevada so that they could vote there. Such will happen again should Nevada be in doubt.

I look at how he won Colorado and New Mexico: with lots of campaign volunteers from Texas who knew that nothing that they could do in Texas could win Texas. Some probably changed their states of legal residence to Colorado or New Mexico so that they could vote where they were active.

Those California and Texas Democrats have mostly gone home. If necessary, they will be back. Some of the Texas activists will likely end up in Missouri in 2012, and some of the California activists will be in Arizona in 2012.

 

This is as morally reprehensible as gerrymandering.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 07, 2010, 09:57:19 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% (+3)

Disapprove 52% (-2)

"Strongly" numbers both dropped.






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 07, 2010, 03:19:42 PM
I look at how Barack Obama won Nevada in 2008: he practically colonized the state with Democratic activists from California who knew that California was a sure thing. Many of those political activists changed legal residence to Nevada so that they could vote there. Such will happen again should Nevada be in doubt.

I look at how he won Colorado and New Mexico: with lots of campaign volunteers from Texas who knew that nothing that they could do in Texas could win Texas. Some probably changed their states of legal residence to Colorado or New Mexico so that they could vote where they were active.

Those California and Texas Democrats have mostly gone home. If necessary, they will be back. Some of the Texas activists will likely end up in Missouri in 2012, and some of the California activists will be in Arizona in 2012.

 

This is as morally reprehensible as gerrymandering.

It is far preferable to what Katherine Harris did in Florida in 2000 and what Kenneth Blackwell did in Ohio in 2004. It is 100% legal. It is a legitimate practice in campaigning. The Republicans can do it, too. They too could encourage lots of Texas Republicans to visit a state that is shaky for Democrats -- let us say Florida -- and campaign heavily there, fully aware that Texas is a given for the Republicans, or lots of California Republicans who know that California Republicans have no reasonable chance of winning the state for their Presidential candidate and going to a state shaky for Democrats -- like Colorado or Nevada.  If such does not work in 2012, it might in 2016 -- 2020 at the latest.

I am reminded of what Tsar Alexander said of Napoleon's invasion of Russia (even if it comes from Tolstoy): he will teach us what we must do to defeat him. This time "them" means the Democrats.

President Obama has changed the way in which close Presidential elections can be done by a challenger. Barack Obama would have won the election with such practices; the financial disaster and Sarah Palin made the election not-so-close.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on March 07, 2010, 03:38:10 PM
That defeats the whole purpose of the balance of power in the electoral college. It's immoral.

Republics only prosper with certain restrictions, so no one can rule over anyone.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 07, 2010, 04:05:03 PM
That defeats the whole purpose of the balance of power in the electoral college. It's immoral.

Republics only prosper with certain restrictions, so no one can rule over anyone.

Nothing prohibits electioneering across state lines.  That includes fundraising. Nothing prohibits travel across state lines for the purpose of organizing grass-roots politics (including canvassing and get-out-the-vote campaigns) in another state. Had I not had concern about a congressional race in my district, I might have gone from Michigan to a state in which the Presidential race was not so certain.  (Two guesses. It was not Wisconsin). 

It is perfectly legal to change one's state of residence so that one can vote in a different bailiwick. For few people is that easy, but if I had been one of President Obama's paid field organizer I might have done so. Should I be in 2012, then who knows? I might become a legal resident of Colorado, Indiana, or Ohio -- and vote in that state's election.

What is really nasty is trying to influence people who have control over the count of votes. When I consider what seemed possible in 2000 and 2004, I understand why President Obama did what he did in spreading his efforts to contest every state that might be close once consolidating the Blue Firewall. Such is a legitimate beat-the-cheat strategy. As it turns out, to win in 2008 the Republicans would have had to cheat in Colorado, Florida, Indiana, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, and Virginia to win. In 2000 and 2004 they needed only one of those states. 

If one has paid staff from Illinois, then it is easy to get them from Illinois where they will make little difference to Indiana, Missouri and Ohio where they might make a difference in a close election.

 

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on March 07, 2010, 04:17:01 PM
Having people vote accross state lines is ridiculous and wrong, period. People should be voting in their home state. You are crazy for saying that is okay, but of course, you only will think it's okay when Democrats are doing it. Republicans can't.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 07, 2010, 04:33:22 PM
Having people vote accross state lines is ridiculous and wrong, period. People should be voting in their home state. You are crazy for saying that is okay, but of course, you only will think it's okay when Democrats are doing it. Republicans can't.

Republicans didn't because they had no real opportunities for doing so. They had their own must-win races and no easy pick-offs from 2004. Obama won every state that either Gore won in 2000 or Kerry won in 2004 by at least 9%.   

I am talking about people changing their legal residence -- which implies getting a new driver's license, changing auto registration, and finding a legal residence. People do that all the time. A temporarily-transplanted New Yorker might have to abandon his right to vote in New York so that he can vote in North Carolina... but that applies whether one did so so that one becomes a store manager after being an assistant store manager, too.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on March 07, 2010, 05:39:20 PM
Having people vote accross state lines is ridiculous and wrong, period. People should be voting in their home state. You are crazy for saying that is okay, but of course, you only will think it's okay when Democrats are doing it. Republicans can't.

Republicans didn't because they had no real opportunities for doing so. They had their own must-win races and no easy pick-offs from 2004. Obama won every state that either Gore won in 2000 or Kerry won in 2004 by at least 9%.   

I am talking about people changing their legal residence -- which implies getting a new driver's license, changing auto registration, and finding a legal residence. People do that all the time. A temporarily-transplanted New Yorker might have to abandon his right to vote in New York so that he can vote in North Carolina... but that applies whether one did so so that one becomes a store manager after being an assistant store manager, too.

Way to not address what I was saying.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 08, 2010, 12:54:38 AM
Having people vote accross state lines is ridiculous and wrong, period. People should be voting in their home state. You are crazy for saying that is okay, but of course, you only will think it's okay when Democrats are doing it. Republicans can't.

Republicans didn't because they had no real opportunities for doing so. They had their own must-win races and no easy pick-offs from 2004. Obama won every state that either Gore won in 2000 or Kerry won in 2004 by at least 9%.   

I am talking about people changing their legal residence -- which implies getting a new driver's license, changing auto registration, and finding a legal residence. People do that all the time. A temporarily-transplanted New Yorker might have to abandon his right to vote in New York so that he can vote in North Carolina... but that applies whether one did so so that one becomes a store manager after being an assistant store manager, too.

Way to not address what I was saying.

In case you intended to discuss the possibility of people voting multiple times in the same election (voter fraud) -- such is rare. That's just too inefficient. It's far  easier to register likely voters -- which I am proud to have done -- or to drive people to the polls. Other techniques that really can swing an election are done by political hacks and election administrators, one hopes rarely and with insignificant consequences.

Methods of vote fraud include improper handling of registration forms, creation of fictitious voters, intimidation of or interference with voters, tampering with voting devices or paraphernalia, dishonest dealings with absentee ballots, and deliberate misrepresentation of the vote count, and  misrepresentation of the counts of votes. 

Double-voting is possible with getting an absentee ballot in one state, registering in another, and voting in person in the second state. Political operatives who do so themselves can be in deep trouble if they do that. 

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on March 08, 2010, 02:41:24 AM
I have no problems with people campaigning in a state different to the one in which they reside, but to change one's legal place of residence solely for the purposes of voting is a disgusting subversion of democracy.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on March 08, 2010, 08:41:06 AM
OK, I've finally put pbrower on ignore. Enough is enough.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 08, 2010, 09:26:34 AM
Ohio (Rasmussen):

47% Approve
52% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Ohio was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 4, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/ohio/toplines/toplines_ohio_senate_march_4_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 08, 2010, 09:55:04 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 46% (-2)

Disapprove 54% (+2)

"Strongly Approve" is at 22, -2, and is tied for his lowest number.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 08, 2010, 10:15:57 AM
Ohio update:

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on March 08, 2010, 03:43:36 PM
Here's my prediction right now based on the polls and maps.

Gen REP - 290
Obama - 244

And it can change based on his performance from now until 2012 election cycle.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on March 08, 2010, 08:49:10 PM
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That actually puts the Republican at 280 with the new Census projections. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on March 09, 2010, 12:32:39 AM
Having people vote accross state lines is ridiculous and wrong, period. People should be voting in their home state. You are crazy for saying that is okay, but of course, you only will think it's okay when Democrats are doing it. Republicans can't.

Republicans didn't because they had no real opportunities for doing so. They had their own must-win races and no easy pick-offs from 2004. Obama won every state that either Gore won in 2000 or Kerry won in 2004 by at least 9%.   

I am talking about people changing their legal residence -- which implies getting a new driver's license, changing auto registration, and finding a legal residence. People do that all the time. A temporarily-transplanted New Yorker might have to abandon his right to vote in New York so that he can vote in North Carolina... but that applies whether one did so so that one becomes a store manager after being an assistant store manager, too.

Way to not address what I was saying.

In case you intended to discuss the possibility of people voting multiple times in the same election (voter fraud) -- such is rare. That's just too inefficient. It's far  easier to register likely voters -- which I am proud to have done -- or to drive people to the polls. Other techniques that really can swing an election are done by political hacks and election administrators, one hopes rarely and with insignificant consequences.

Methods of vote fraud include improper handling of registration forms, creation of fictitious voters, intimidation of or interference with voters, tampering with voting devices or paraphernalia, dishonest dealings with absentee ballots, and deliberate misrepresentation of the vote count, and  misrepresentation of the counts of votes. 

Double-voting is possible with getting an absentee ballot in one state, registering in another, and voting in person in the second state. Political operatives who do so themselves can be in deep trouble if they do that. 

 

What I said is not a sombrero. Stop dancing around it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 09, 2010, 08:21:23 AM
Having people vote accross state lines is ridiculous and wrong, period. People should be voting in their home state. You are crazy for saying that is okay, but of course, you only will think it's okay when Democrats are doing it. Republicans can't.

Republicans didn't because they had no real opportunities for doing so. They had their own must-win races and no easy pick-offs from 2004. Obama won every state that either Gore won in 2000 or Kerry won in 2004 by at least 9%.   

I am talking about people changing their legal residence -- which implies getting a new driver's license, changing auto registration, and finding a legal residence. People do that all the time. A temporarily-transplanted New Yorker might have to abandon his right to vote in New York so that he can vote in North Carolina... but that applies whether one did so so that one becomes a store manager after being an assistant store manager, too.

Way to not address what I was saying.

In case you intended to discuss the possibility of people voting multiple times in the same election (voter fraud) -- such is rare. That's just too inefficient. It's far  easier to register likely voters -- which I am proud to have done -- or to drive people to the polls. Other techniques that really can swing an election are done by political hacks and election administrators, one hopes rarely and with insignificant consequences.

Methods of vote fraud include improper handling of registration forms, creation of fictitious voters, intimidation of or interference with voters, tampering with voting devices or paraphernalia, dishonest dealings with absentee ballots, and deliberate misrepresentation of the vote count, and  misrepresentation of the counts of votes. 

Double-voting is possible with getting an absentee ballot in one state, registering in another, and voting in person in the second state. Political operatives who do so themselves can be in deep trouble if they do that. 

 

What I said is not a sombrero. Stop dancing around it.

End of discussion.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 09, 2010, 09:46:32 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 44% (-2)

Disapprove 54%

"Strongly" is unchanged.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on March 09, 2010, 03:18:18 PM
Having people vote accross state lines is ridiculous and wrong, period. People should be voting in their home state. You are crazy for saying that is okay, but of course, you only will think it's okay when Democrats are doing it. Republicans can't.

Republicans didn't because they had no real opportunities for doing so. They had their own must-win races and no easy pick-offs from 2004. Obama won every state that either Gore won in 2000 or Kerry won in 2004 by at least 9%.   

I am talking about people changing their legal residence -- which implies getting a new driver's license, changing auto registration, and finding a legal residence. People do that all the time. A temporarily-transplanted New Yorker might have to abandon his right to vote in New York so that he can vote in North Carolina... but that applies whether one did so so that one becomes a store manager after being an assistant store manager, too.

Way to not address what I was saying.

In case you intended to discuss the possibility of people voting multiple times in the same election (voter fraud) -- such is rare. That's just too inefficient. It's far  easier to register likely voters -- which I am proud to have done -- or to drive people to the polls. Other techniques that really can swing an election are done by political hacks and election administrators, one hopes rarely and with insignificant consequences.

Methods of vote fraud include improper handling of registration forms, creation of fictitious voters, intimidation of or interference with voters, tampering with voting devices or paraphernalia, dishonest dealings with absentee ballots, and deliberate misrepresentation of the vote count, and  misrepresentation of the counts of votes. 

Double-voting is possible with getting an absentee ballot in one state, registering in another, and voting in person in the second state. Political operatives who do so themselves can be in deep trouble if they do that. 

 

What I said is not a sombrero. Stop dancing around it.

End of discussion.

Try answering someone, when they question your methods.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ScottM on March 09, 2010, 08:06:12 PM
No combined numbers from South Carolina, but we do have some numbers from Rasmussen.

Republican primary voters: 11% approve, 88% disapprove
Democrat primary voters: 80% approve, 19% disapprove

If you assume a 50/50 split, that gives 45.5% approve, 53.5% disapprove. And, I may be wrong, but I would assume that there will probably be more Republican primary voters than Democrats.

Though, it would be nice to see some combined results.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 10, 2010, 09:26:02 AM
No combined numbers from South Carolina, but we do have some numbers from Rasmussen.

Republican primary voters: 11% approve, 88% disapprove
Democrat primary voters: 80% approve, 19% disapprove

If you assume a 50/50 split, that gives 45.5% approve, 53.5% disapprove. And, I may be wrong, but I would assume that there will probably be more Republican primary voters than Democrats.

Though, it would be nice to see some combined results.

Still, that's not far from a 50-50 split in a state that hasn't gone for the Democratic nominee for President since 1976. South Carolina has given consistent results in approval ratings - high 40's for the President -- since November. I can't use it,

How people vote in primaries depends heavily on, after partisan affiliation,  whether primaries are contested. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 10, 2010, 10:00:34 AM
Massachusetts (Rasmussen):

54% Approve
46% Disapprove

(Sen. Scott Brown):

70% Approve
26% Disapprove

(National/Obama):

43% Approve
56% Disapprove

This state telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in the state of Massachusettes was conducted by Rasmussen Reports on March 8, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/massachusetts/election_2010_massachusetts_governor

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/massachusetts/toplines/toplines_massachusetts_scott_brown_march_8_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 10, 2010, 10:39:34 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 43% (-1)

Disapprove 56% (+2)

"Strongly Approve" is at 22, unchanged.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.

Right now, Obama's "Total Approve," and "Strongly Approved," are tied for their lowest numbers in his presidency.  His "Total Disapproved" number is tied for the highest.

Note that "Strongly Approved" number has remained the same for three days, which could represent a bad sample.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 10, 2010, 10:54:29 AM
Florida (PPP):

46% Approve
50% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 849 Florida voters from March 5th to 8th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-3.4%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_FL_3101025.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 10, 2010, 12:09:00 PM
Washington (Rasmussen):

50% Approve
49% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Washington was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 9, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/washington/toplines/toplines_2010_washington_senate_march_9_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 10, 2010, 12:28:28 PM
These numbers are starting to look brutal, if they hold.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 10, 2010, 12:34:17 PM
These numbers are starting to look brutal, if they hold.

They mostly resemble Reagan`s numbers at this point, who was also at 45% in March of '82.

So nothing to worry about yet, especially considering the horrible crop of Presidential candidates the Republicans currently have.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 10, 2010, 01:20:24 PM
New Hampshire (Rasmussen):

48% Approve
52% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/new_hampshire/toplines/toplines_new_hampshire_senate_march_8_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on March 10, 2010, 01:35:57 PM
Massachusetts (Rasmussen):

54% Approve
46% Disapprove

(Sen. Scott Brown):

70% Approve
26% Disapprove

(National/Obama):

43% Approve
56% Disapprove

This state telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in the state of Massachusettes was conducted by Rasmussen Reports on March 8, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/massachusetts/election_2010_massachusetts_governor

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/massachusetts/toplines/toplines_massachusetts_scott_brown_march_8_2010

Wow.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on March 10, 2010, 02:08:56 PM
If MA votes for a Rep in 2012, Obama is done!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 10, 2010, 02:14:48 PM
If MA votes for a Rep in 2012, Obama is done!

LOL, if Obama loses MA i'll eat my hat.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 10, 2010, 02:40:30 PM
These numbers are starting to look brutal, if they hold.

They mostly resemble Reagan`s numbers at this point, who was also at 45% in March of '82.

So nothing to worry about yet, especially considering the horrible crop of Presidential candidates the Republicans currently have.

And Carter's were higher.  I think that Reagan's disapproval numbers were lower.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on March 10, 2010, 02:47:57 PM
If MA votes for a Rep in 2012, Obama is done!

LOL, if Obama loses MA i'll eat my hat.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 10, 2010, 07:49:20 PM
These numbers are starting to look brutal, if they hold.

They mostly resemble Reagan`s numbers at this point, who was also at 45% in March of '82.

So nothing to worry about yet, especially considering the horrible crop of Presidential candidates the Republicans currently have.

And Carter's were higher.  I think that Reagan's disapproval numbers were lower.

Approval ratings for Congress are far lower -- and especially for the Republican Party.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: xavier110 on March 10, 2010, 08:38:47 PM
All of these Rasmussen approval numbers make zero sense to me and are wildly inconsistent.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 10, 2010, 09:29:59 PM
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Approval ratings for Congress are far lower -- and especially for the Republican Party .

Fixed.

Actually the Republicans have held a lead on the generic congressional ballot since late June of 2009.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 10, 2010, 10:46:12 PM
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Approval ratings for Congress are far lower -- and especially for the Republican Party .

Fixed.

Actually the Republicans have held a lead on the generic congressional ballot since late June of 2009.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot

Any challenge to President Obama from the Republican Party will come from either a current or former State governor or a US Senator.  How popular some right-wing Republican is in his own  right-leaning State will matter little a state near the middle of the spectrum (i.e., Virginia, Colorado, Ohio, Florida, Iowa... not his own)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on March 11, 2010, 04:29:15 AM
These numbers are starting to look brutal, if they hold.

They mostly resemble Reagan`s numbers at this point, who was also at 45% in March of '82.

So nothing to worry about yet, especially considering the horrible crop of Presidential candidates the Republicans currently have.

And Carter's were higher.  I think that Reagan's disapproval numbers were lower.

Rasmussen was not around back then.  You cannot possibly compare Gallup polls to Rasmussen. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on March 11, 2010, 05:40:23 AM
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Approval ratings for Congress are far lower -- and especially for the Republican Party .

Fixed.

Actually the Republicans have held a lead on the generic congressional ballot since late June of 2009.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot

Any challenge to President Obama from the Republican Party will come from either a current or former State governor or a US Senator.  How popular some right-wing Republican is in his own  right-leaning State will matter little a state near the middle of the spectrum (i.e., Virginia, Colorado, Ohio, Florida, Iowa... not his own)

Republicans are not that popular among Republicans.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 11, 2010, 07:55:14 AM
]


Approval ratings for Congress are far lower -- and especially for the Republican Party .

Fixed.

Actually the Republicans have held a lead on the generic congressional ballot since late June of 2009.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot

Any challenge to President Obama from the Republican Party will come from either a current or former State governor or a US Senator.  How popular some right-wing Republican is in his own  right-leaning State will matter little a state near the middle of the spectrum (i.e., Virginia, Colorado, Ohio, Florida, Iowa... not his own)

Which has nothing to do with your claim.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 11, 2010, 12:14:49 PM
Missouri (Rasmussen):

42% Approve
56% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Missouri was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 9, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/missouri/toplines/toplines_2010_missouri_senate_march_9_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on March 11, 2010, 12:16:51 PM
All of these Rasmussen approval numbers make zero sense to me and are wildly inconsistent.

lol

Humility


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 11, 2010, 01:27:14 PM
Obama hits a new low at Gallup today:

46% Approve
45% Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 11, 2010, 01:39:04 PM
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Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 43% (+1)

Disapprove 56% (-3)

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on March 11, 2010, 01:40:02 PM
Obama hits a new low at Gallup today:

46% Approve
45% Disapprove

Gallup's having ridiculous swings these days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dan the Roman on March 11, 2010, 01:56:50 PM
If MA votes for a Rep in 2012, Obama is done!

LOL, if Obama loses MA i'll eat my hat.

Obama was never liked in MA. He lost the primary badly, and was holding a single-digit lead until Palin. It would depend on who the Republicans nominate,  but don't expect MA to be the most pro-Obama state in 2012. Not by a long-shot. The Democrats are a weird split between the urban liberal who love him and the sort of ethnic traditional Democrats who he is  having so much trouble with in West Virginia and Arkansas.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 11, 2010, 04:53:15 PM

MA, MO, NH, WA

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.
 







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 12, 2010, 01:07:48 AM
Minnesota (Rasmussen):

49% Approve
49% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Minnesota was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 10, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/minnesota/toplines/toplines_minnesota_governor_march_10_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on March 12, 2010, 01:12:32 AM
Minnesota (Rasmussen):

49% Approve
49% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Minnesota was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 10, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/minnesota/toplines/toplines_minnesota_governor_march_10_2010

Them aren't good numbers for Obama at all.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 12, 2010, 01:14:42 AM
Minnesota (Rasmussen):

49% Approve
49% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Minnesota was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 10, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/minnesota/toplines/toplines_minnesota_governor_march_10_2010

Them aren't good numbers for Obama at all.

You forget that Obama is at 43% at Rasmussen's national poll. Minnesota having 6% higher approvals than the nation is pretty damn good for Obama at this point. MN was only 1% more DEM than the nation on Election Night 2008.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 12, 2010, 05:26:03 AM
First tie in a long time, and it's not where I would expect it (Minnesota):

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.
 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 12, 2010, 08:57:41 AM
Louisiana (Rasmussen):

37% Approve
62% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Louisiana was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 10, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/louisiana/toplines/toplines_2010_louisiana_senate_march_10_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 12, 2010, 09:43:21 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 44%

Disapprove 54%

Both numbers are unchanged.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26% +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, unchanged.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ScottM on March 12, 2010, 10:13:24 AM
Minnesota (Rasmussen):

49% Approve
49% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Minnesota was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 10, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/minnesota/toplines/toplines_minnesota_governor_march_10_2010

Them aren't good numbers for Obama at all.

You forget that Obama is at 43% at Rasmussen's national poll. Minnesota having 6% higher approvals than the nation is pretty damn good for Obama at this point. MN was only 1% more DEM than the nation on Election Night 2008.

He may be doing better in MN than the rest of the country, but if he goes into election night 2012 with MN so close, he's in trouble. So, I agree - those numbers aren't good for him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 12, 2010, 11:32:09 AM
Colorado (PPP):

47% Approve
50% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 580 Colorado voters from March 5th to 8th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-4.1%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_CO_312.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 12, 2010, 01:19:05 PM
Colorado, Louisiana:

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.
 



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 12, 2010, 05:17:08 PM
Minnesota (Rasmussen):

49% Approve
49% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Minnesota was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 10, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/minnesota/toplines/toplines_minnesota_governor_march_10_2010

Them aren't good numbers for Obama at all.

Those. Those aren't good numbers for Obama at all. Alternatively they. But not them.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 13, 2010, 01:42:12 AM
Here`s another tie:

Wisconsin (Wisconsin Policy Research Institute)

49% Approve
49% Disapprove

The survey of 600 randomly selected, likely voters in Wisconsin was conducted by phone with live interviewers from March 7-9.  It was directed by Ken Goldstein, a UW-Madison political science professor.

The sample of Wisconsin adults was selected by random digit dialing (RDD) of landline phones; cell-only households were not included.  The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus four   percentage points. The margin of error will be higher for sub-group analysis.

WPRI – a nonpartisan, not-for-profit think tank – has been conducting surveys on politics and issues for more than 20 years and is now commissioning Goldstein to independently conduct polls on a periodic basis.

http://www.wpri.org/polls/March2010/March2010Poll.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 13, 2010, 09:21:51 AM
Another tie, and it is in fact an improvement for the President:

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.
 


.....

At this point, one can see how Obama would do  (if nothing changed between now and November 2012 -- a whopper of an assumption). If one assumes that DC,  Maine (including its two Congressional districts and Hawaii go for Obama under any circumstances and  that Mississippi, West Virginia, and Wyoming don't, and that South Carolina's recent 48-40 split goes 48-52, then one can see victory or defeat by color.

Using 2004-2008 electoral vote counts,   then green and white (except South Carolina) give Obama only 248 electoral votes, which is in essence Kerry less NH, and the Republican opponent everything that Dubya ever won.  That's a 291-247 win for the Republican opponent. If any of the states in the Blue Firewall are in doubt, then Obama loses.

Sand? (really South Carolina seems to belong to this category)  That adds everything that Obama won that Dubya won even once in either 2000 or 2004 except Indiana, Nevada, and perhaps NE-02 for which I have no reliable information -- and South Carolina. That is 108 electoral votes, and if Obama got all of those he would  win 352-186.  In fact if he got half the electoral votes from these states he would win 294 electoral votes and win re-election even with re-apportionment (which means Iowa, New Hampshire, New Mexico, and at least one of Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, and Virginia). Every one of those states is a legitimate swing state for 2012 in an election in which Obama wins between 48% and 52% of the popular vote. Yes, I know about likely reapportionment, but I try to keep things simple.

What about South Carolina? It may be the only state making an unambiguous drift away from the Right. Its GOP looks increasingly like a Party of Evil Clowns, and such a state party is in trouble. That does not now apply to the GOP in any other state. Nevada? It has been bouncing between sand and beige.   

With the arguable exceptions of Nevada and perhaps (lack of knowledge here) NE-02, nothing in beige gives a legitimate swing vote. Obama actually won Indiana, but he can't win the state without also winning Ohio; he can't win Georgia without also winning North Carolina and Florida; he can't win Arizona without also winning Nevada, Colorado, and New Mexico. Missouri is about half-Northern and half-Southern, an President Obama wins it only if he has gotten closer in the states that went for Clinton in 1992 and 1996 but voted strongly against Obama in 2008 (examples: Kentucky or Tennessee).  Arizona, Georgia, Indiana, and Missouri cannot be considered true swing states because if they are on the margin in 2012, then he has all but won.     


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on March 13, 2010, 01:19:41 PM
I'd like to see this thing without Rasmussen.  Their polls are always more in favor of Republicans than anyone else's and no one objective thinks it's accidental.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 13, 2010, 01:30:13 PM
I'd like to see this thing without Rasmussen.  Their polls are always more in favor of Republicans than anyone else's and no one objective thinks it's accidental.

But every other company is a Liberal hack company, didn't you know?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on March 13, 2010, 01:42:54 PM
I'd like to see this thing without Rasmussen.  Their polls are always more in favor of Republicans than anyone else's and no one objective thinks it's accidental.

But every other company is a Liberal hack company, didn't you know?

Including that company called "the voters" that favored the Democrat in 4 of the last 5 elections.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on March 13, 2010, 02:23:34 PM
Rasmussen uses a likely voter model, not a terrible one such as adults.

University polls are the worst. Their data is for the most part, useless.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2010, 04:09:12 PM



Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45%

Disapprove 54%

Both numbers are unchanged.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27% +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ScottM on March 13, 2010, 04:47:41 PM
Rasmussen uses a likely voter model, not a terrible one such as adults.

University polls are the worst. Their data is for the most part, useless.

Don't forget Daily Kos. Theirs are pretty useless, too.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on March 13, 2010, 05:18:26 PM
I'd like to see this thing without Rasmussen.  Their polls are always more in favor of Republicans than anyone else's and no one objective thinks it's accidental.

On the other side of the token you have CBS and university polls, so it evens out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2010, 06:23:52 PM
I'd like to see this thing without Rasmussen.  Their polls are always more in favor of Republicans than anyone else's and no one objective thinks it's accidental.

Actually Rasmussen's bots were closer than Gallup in the last election.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: memphis on March 13, 2010, 06:56:48 PM
The notion that approval numbers will equal election performance (with the sort of accuracy people around hereproject) is bogus. Obama got 53% of the vote and started off with approval in the high 60s. They are completely different metrics.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 13, 2010, 07:24:20 PM
I'd like to see this thing without Rasmussen.  Their polls are always more in favor of Republicans than anyone else's and no one objective thinks it's accidental.

Actually Rasmussen's bots were closer than Gallup in the last election.

Rasmussen (among others) is measuring something, but I can never be quite sure of what it measures. About all that I can be sure of is that pollsters are fairly good at comparing states to states.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on March 14, 2010, 05:13:54 AM
Historic facts (2004 and 2008) prove that Rasmussen is the best (national) pollster. Hence, I trust him more thant others polls. And another very good pollster, SUSA, give the same results than Ras. If you disagree with that, you have a problem with reality (and you are probably liberal...).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 14, 2010, 09:05:46 AM
Historic facts (2004 and 2008) prove that Rasmussen is the best (national) pollster.

Not so much with the states though. And in November 2008, Rass wasn't as crazily different to the other companies, they are now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 14, 2010, 02:42:25 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 46% (+1)

Disapprove 53% (-1)


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, unchanged.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on March 14, 2010, 06:18:53 PM
Historic facts (2004 and 2008) prove that Rasmussen is the best (national) pollster.

Not so much with the states though. And in November 2008, Rass wasn't as crazily different to the other companies, they are now.

I remember numerous complaints about Ras in 2008.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on March 15, 2010, 09:34:35 AM
A bit late but...

Obama Gallup approval in February 2010:

50% Approve

43% Disapprove

Trends for comparsion:

Carter: 49/34 (February 1978)

Reagan: 47/43 (February 1982)

Bush I: 73/16 (February 1990)

Clinton: 53/41 (February 1994)

Bush II: 82/14 (February 2002)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Saxwsylvania on March 15, 2010, 09:38:30 AM
A bit late but...

Obama Gallup approval in February 2010:

50% Approve

43% Disapprove

Trends for comparsion:

Carter: 49/34 (February 1978)

Reagan: 47/43 (February 1982)

Bush I: 73/16 (February 1990)

Clinton: 53/41 (February 1994)

Bush II: 82/14 (February 2002)

So he's closest to where Reagan was, huh?  Hmm ... this must mean a 1984-style landslide is on the way.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 15, 2010, 11:26:27 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45% (-1)

Disapprove 54% (+1)


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, unchanged.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: yougo1000 on March 15, 2010, 05:21:12 PM
Obama approval (gallup)

49-44 approve and disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 16, 2010, 01:17:36 AM
Strategic Vision is back !

Georgia:

37% Approve
50% Disapprove

The results are based on telephone interviews with 800 likely voters in Georgia, aged 18+, and conducted March 5-8, 2010 by telephone. The margin of sampling error is ±3.5 percentage points.

http://www.strategicvision.biz/political/georgia_poll_031510.htm


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on March 16, 2010, 01:24:36 AM
I only take Rasmussen's approval numbers seriously. They are probably pushing the undecideds towards disapproval. Right now they are serving as a propaganda machine for the Republicans. By the time election season rolls around they will give us the "real" results (although I would take their approval numbers over any other pollsters).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on March 16, 2010, 01:26:59 AM
Strategic Vision is back !

Georgia:

37% Approve
50% Disapprove

The results are based on telephone interviews with 800 likely voters in Georgia, aged 18+, and conducted March 5-8, 2010 by telephone. The margin of sampling error is ±3.5 percentage points.

http://www.strategicvision.biz/political/georgia_poll_031510.htm

7 is the 2nd most likely digit for them to end with, while 0 is the 5th most likely. 1 is the rarest, so they weren't so likely to give him a 51% disapproval rating.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 16, 2010, 07:35:02 AM
Strategic Vision is back !

Georgia:

37% Approve
50% Disapprove

The results are based on telephone interviews with 800 likely voters in Georgia, aged 18+, and conducted March 5-8, 2010 by telephone. The margin of sampling error is ±3.5 percentage points.

http://www.strategicvision.biz/political/georgia_poll_031510.htm

The huge gap between approval and disapproval indicates the uselessness of that poll. I'd have to show it with the letter "S" (spurious, suspicious, screwy, shady)... except that such would crowd out another and more reliable poll.

I will not use this one. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on March 16, 2010, 07:50:24 AM
Strategic Vision is back !

Georgia:

37% Approve
50% Disapprove

The results are based on telephone interviews with 800 likely voters in Georgia, aged 18+, and conducted March 5-8, 2010 by telephone. The margin of sampling error is ±3.5 percentage points.

http://www.strategicvision.biz/political/georgia_poll_031510.htm

The huge gap between approval and disapproval indicates the uselessness of that poll. I'd have to show it with the letter "S" (spurious, suspicious, screwy, shady)... except that such would crowd out another and more reliable poll.

I will not use this one.  

I usually don't even post in this thread, but I just want to clarify for my own amusement: You don't want to include this SV poll of Georgia, showing Obama at a "huge" -13, because he couldn't possibly be underwater in Georgia?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on March 16, 2010, 07:51:23 AM
Strategic Vision is back !

Georgia:

37% Approve
50% Disapprove

The results are based on telephone interviews with 800 likely voters in Georgia, aged 18+, and conducted March 5-8, 2010 by telephone. The margin of sampling error is ±3.5 percentage points.

http://www.strategicvision.biz/political/georgia_poll_031510.htm

The huge gap between approval and disapproval indicates the uselessness of that poll. I'd have to show it with the letter "S" (spurious, suspicious, screwy, shady)... except that such would crowd out another and more reliable poll.

I will not use this one. 

I'd reconsider, PBrower. 13% undecided is hardly out of line. It just indicates they don't pistol whip undecideds to leaning the way Scotty apparantly does with his "0% undecided" results. Nor are these numbers overall particularly out of line for GA.

And thank you all for sparing the ubiquitous "of course he'll exclude it cause it's bad for Obama and he's a hack" response.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 16, 2010, 09:26:43 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45%

Disapprove 54%

Both unchanged.


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on March 16, 2010, 10:11:15 AM
Strategic Vision is back !

Georgia:

37% Approve
50% Disapprove

The results are based on telephone interviews with 800 likely voters in Georgia, aged 18+, and conducted March 5-8, 2010 by telephone. The margin of sampling error is ±3.5 percentage points.

http://www.strategicvision.biz/political/georgia_poll_031510.htm

The huge gap between approval and disapproval indicates the uselessness of that poll. I'd have to show it with the letter "S" (spurious, suspicious, screwy, shady)... except that such would crowd out another and more reliable poll.

I will not use this one. 

I'd reconsider, PBrower. 13% undecided is hardly out of line. It just indicates they don't pistol whip undecideds to leaning the way Scotty apparantly does with his "0% undecided" results. Nor are these numbers overall particularly out of line for GA.

And thank you all for sparing the ubiquitous "of course he'll exclude it cause it's bad for Obama and he's a hack" response.

Mainly because Strategic Vision tends to, uh, make up poll results. Literally.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 16, 2010, 10:19:47 AM
California (Rasmussen):

58% Approve
42% Disapprove

This telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in California was conducted by Rasmussen Reports on March 11, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/california/toplines/toplines_2010_california_senate_march_11_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 16, 2010, 10:46:46 AM
Strategic Vision is back !

Georgia:

37% Approve
50% Disapprove

The results are based on telephone interviews with 800 likely voters in Georgia, aged 18+, and conducted March 5-8, 2010 by telephone. The margin of sampling error is ±3.5 percentage points.

http://www.strategicvision.biz/political/georgia_poll_031510.htm

The huge gap between approval and disapproval indicates the uselessness of that poll. I'd have to show it with the letter "S" (spurious, suspicious, screwy, shady)... except that such would crowd out another and more reliable poll.

I will not use this one.  

I usually don't even post in this thread, but I just want to clarify for my own amusement: You don't want to include this SV poll of Georgia, showing Obama at a "huge" -13, because he couldn't possibly be underwater in Georgia?

Strategic Vision is now also - for the first time ever - publishing crosstabs:

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B_KEK8-LWmzhMWQ1YmZhYzMtMmQ0ZC00MDRiLTk4NGQtOWZiZjhmZWVkYWU4&hl=en

Interestingly, 22% of GA Blacks are undecided about Obama`s approval, while just 8% of Whites are.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 16, 2010, 01:03:49 PM
55 electoral votes, and a new poll:

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.
 
Now for the anticlimax: it's California, great place to visit, but the political life is dull in contrast to some place that really draws attention -- like Ohio.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 17, 2010, 08:42:08 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 44% (-1)

Disapprove 55% (+1)


"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.

Basically, BHO's numbers have been stable, except for his strongly approve number which has shown a 13 point range since the first of February.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: MArepublican on March 17, 2010, 12:09:02 PM
Gallup for the first time has Obama negative
46 aprrove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on March 17, 2010, 12:38:24 PM
Gallup for the first time has Obama negative
46 aprrove

47 Disapprove

Obviously, Gallup is a hack pollster run secretly by Rasmussen Reports who are a puppet of Fox, who are a puppet of the Republican Party, who are a puppet of the 'States Rights' Movement, who are a puppet of the Ku Klux Klan, who are a puppet of massive corporations that benefit from picking on the little guy, who want to reinstate slavery.

Don't fall for this pro-slavery propaganda!!!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 17, 2010, 12:43:05 PM
Gallup for the first time has Obama negative
46 aprrove

47 Disapprove

Obviously, Gallup is a hack pollster run secretly by Rasmussen Reports who are a puppet of Fox, who are a puppet of the Republican Party, who are a puppet of the 'States Rights' Movement, who are a puppet of the Ku Klux Klan, who are a puppet of massive corporations that benefit from picking on the little guy, who want to reinstate slavery.

Don't fall for this pro-slavery propaganda!!!

True dat.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on March 17, 2010, 12:56:46 PM
Problem is some might actually believe it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 17, 2010, 01:34:54 PM
Gallup for the first time has Obama negative
46 aprrove

47 Disapprove

Obviously, Gallup is a hack pollster run secretly by Rasmussen Reports who are a puppet of Fox, who are a puppet of the Republican Party, who are a puppet of the 'States Rights' Movement, who are a puppet of the Ku Klux Klan, who are a puppet of massive corporations that benefit from picking on the little guy, who want to reinstate slavery.

Don't fall for this pro-slavery propaganda!!!

You forgot to mention the Illuminati!

Actually, Obama's disapproval numbers have been consistently higher than Reagan's for the same point in time, and Reagan still had a higher approval than disapproval rate in March of 1982, on Gallup.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/presidential-approval-tracker.htm


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on March 17, 2010, 01:35:15 PM
Problem is some might actually believe it.

Yeah Rasmussen's disapproval numbers are perfectly innocent. ::) Anyways his approval numbers are what matters. And when election time comes around, it will be Rasmussen polls that I trust.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 17, 2010, 01:47:03 PM
Pennsylvania (Rasmussen):

48% Approve
51% Disapprove

This telephone survey of 1,000 Likely Voters in Pennsylvania was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 15, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/pennsylvania/toplines/toplines_2010_pennsylvania_senate_march_15_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 17, 2010, 02:29:34 PM
Obama favorable ratings in key swing districts according to GOP firm Ayres, McHenry & Associates (400 Likely Voters in each district, MoE=4.9%, March 8-10, 2010):

AZ-08: (http://www.uschamber.com/assets/uscc/az8toplines.pdf) 47% Favorable, 48% Unfavorable (2008: McCain 52%, Obama 46%)

CO-04: (http://www.uschamber.com/assets/uscc/co4toplines.pdf) 41% Favorable, 52% Unfavorable (2008: McCain 50%, Obama 49%)

FL-02: (http://www.uschamber.com/assets/uscc/fl2toplines.pdf) 39% Favorable, 55% Unfavorable (2008: McCain 54%, Obama 45%)

NC-08: (http://www.uschamber.com/assets/uscc/nc8toplines.pdf) 46% Favorable, 41% Unfavorable (2008: Obama 52%, McCain 47%)

NV-03: (http://www.uschamber.com/assets/uscc/nv3toplines.pdf) 46% Favorable, 50% Unfavorable (2008: Obama 55%, McCain 43%)

NY-24: (http://www.uschamber.com/assets/uscc/ny24toplines.pdf) 47% Favorable, 43% Unfavorable (2008: Obama 50%, McCain 48%)

OH-01: (http://www.uschamber.com/assets/uscc/oh1toplines.pdf) 47% Favorable, 46% Unfavorable (2008: Obama 55%, McCain 44%)

PA-04: (http://www.uschamber.com/assets/uscc/pa4toplines.pdf) 44% Favorable, 48% Unfavorable (2008: McCain 55%, Obama 44%)

TX-17: (http://www.uschamber.com/assets/uscc/tx17toplines.pdf) 36% Favorable, 54% Unfavorable (2008: McCain 67%, Obama 32%)

VA-02: (http://www.uschamber.com/assets/uscc/va2toplines.pdf) 50% Favorable, 43% Unfavorable (2008: Obama 50%, McCain 48%)

http://innovation.cq.com/atlas/district_08


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 17, 2010, 03:23:31 PM
Pennsylvania checks in, category change:

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.
 




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2010, 04:39:51 PM
Strategic Vision is back !

Georgia:

37% Approve
50% Disapprove

The results are based on telephone interviews with 800 likely voters in Georgia, aged 18+, and conducted March 5-8, 2010 by telephone. The margin of sampling error is ±3.5 percentage points.

http://www.strategicvision.biz/political/georgia_poll_031510.htm

The huge gap between approval and disapproval indicates the uselessness of that poll. I'd have to show it with the letter "S" (spurious, suspicious, screwy, shady)... except that such would crowd out another and more reliable poll.

I will not use this one.  

I usually don't even post in this thread, but I just want to clarify for my own amusement: You don't want to include this SV poll of Georgia, showing Obama at a "huge" -13, because he couldn't possibly be underwater in Georgia?

Strategic Vision is now also - for the first time ever - publishing crosstabs:

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B_KEK8-LWmzhMWQ1YmZhYzMtMmQ0ZC00MDRiLTk4NGQtOWZiZjhmZWVkYWU4&hl=en

Interestingly, 22% of GA Blacks are undecided about Obama`s approval, while just 8% of Whites are.

"22% of GA blacks undecided"? I may've spoke too soon in support of this poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 17, 2010, 08:56:50 PM
Strategic Vision is back !

Georgia:

37% Approve
50% Disapprove

The results are based on telephone interviews with 800 likely voters in Georgia, aged 18+, and conducted March 5-8, 2010 by telephone. The margin of sampling error is ±3.5 percentage points.

http://www.strategicvision.biz/political/georgia_poll_031510.htm

The huge gap between approval and disapproval indicates the uselessness of that poll. I'd have to show it with the letter "S" (spurious, suspicious, screwy, shady)... except that such would crowd out another and more reliable poll.

I will not use this one.  

I usually don't even post in this thread, but I just want to clarify for my own amusement: You don't want to include this SV poll of Georgia, showing Obama at a "huge" -13, because he couldn't possibly be underwater in Georgia?

Strategic Vision is now also - for the first time ever - publishing crosstabs:

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B_KEK8-LWmzhMWQ1YmZhYzMtMmQ0ZC00MDRiLTk4NGQtOWZiZjhmZWVkYWU4&hl=en

Interestingly, 22% of GA Blacks are undecided about Obama`s approval, while just 8% of Whites are.

"22% of GA blacks undecided"? I may've spoke too soon in support of this poll.

Obama is getting some criticism from the Black Caucus.  It could be the Uber liberal s in the Black community.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 18, 2010, 09:10:03 AM




Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45% (+1)

Disapprove 55%


"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on March 18, 2010, 02:08:50 PM
Obama's disapprovals are higher than his approvals for the first time in his Presidency on the RCP.com average.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on March 18, 2010, 02:50:55 PM
Gallup also has him in negative territory, first time ever I believe.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on March 18, 2010, 03:05:27 PM
Obama is 99% approve to 1% disapprove in Chris Mathews' pants.

Yesterday and since the beginning of the presidency, it was 100% approve or higher and 0% disapprove or lower.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 18, 2010, 08:50:15 PM
Obama is 99% approve to 1% disapprove in Chris Mathews' pants.

Yesterday and since the beginning of the presidency, it was 100% approve or higher and 0% disapprove or lower.

LOL.  :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: JerryBrown2010 on March 18, 2010, 09:03:53 PM
Obama is now getting more disapproval then approval on real clear politics for the first time.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on March 19, 2010, 12:39:19 AM
Obama favorable ratings in key swing districts according to GOP firm Ayres, McHenry & Associates (400 Likely Voters in each district, MoE=4.9%, March 8-10, 2010):

AZ-08: (http://www.uschamber.com/assets/uscc/az8toplines.pdf) 47% Favorable, 48% Unfavorable (2008: McCain 52%, Obama 46%)

CO-04: (http://www.uschamber.com/assets/uscc/co4toplines.pdf) 41% Favorable, 52% Unfavorable (2008: McCain 50%, Obama 49%)

FL-02: (http://www.uschamber.com/assets/uscc/fl2toplines.pdf) 39% Favorable, 55% Unfavorable (2008: McCain 54%, Obama 45%)

NC-08: (http://www.uschamber.com/assets/uscc/nc8toplines.pdf) 46% Favorable, 41% Unfavorable (2008: Obama 52%, McCain 47%)

NV-03: (http://www.uschamber.com/assets/uscc/nv3toplines.pdf) 46% Favorable, 50% Unfavorable (2008: Obama 55%, McCain 43%)

NY-24: (http://www.uschamber.com/assets/uscc/ny24toplines.pdf) 47% Favorable, 43% Unfavorable (2008: Obama 50%, McCain 48%)

OH-01: (http://www.uschamber.com/assets/uscc/oh1toplines.pdf) 47% Favorable, 46% Unfavorable (2008: Obama 55%, McCain 44%)

PA-04: (http://www.uschamber.com/assets/uscc/pa4toplines.pdf) 44% Favorable, 48% Unfavorable (2008: McCain 55%, Obama 44%)

TX-17: (http://www.uschamber.com/assets/uscc/tx17toplines.pdf) 36% Favorable, 54% Unfavorable (2008: McCain 67%, Obama 32%)

VA-02: (http://www.uschamber.com/assets/uscc/va2toplines.pdf) 50% Favorable, 43% Unfavorable (2008: Obama 50%, McCain 48%)

http://innovation.cq.com/atlas/district_08

Some of these seem hilariously random. Ah well, probably meaningless anyway.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Saxwsylvania on March 19, 2010, 12:47:56 AM
SurveyUSA

Ohio
42% Approve
52% Disapprove

Indiana
49% Approve
40% Disapprove

Washington
46% Approve
49% Disapprove

Oregon
48% Approve
50% Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on March 19, 2010, 12:53:46 AM
Oh, you comedian, you.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 19, 2010, 12:55:37 AM
SurveyUSA

Ohio
42% Approve
52% Disapprove

Indiana
49% Approve
40% Disapprove

Washington
46% Approve
49% Disapprove

Oregon
48% Approve
50% Disapprove

Where did you get the Indiana numbers from ?

There`s also

Kansas: 37% Approve, 61% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=0fef027f-c866-4176-ad0d-a55ae7485458

California: 52% Approve, 44% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=51592b79-0995-4b0c-a664-2a571b0c6671


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 19, 2010, 12:59:09 AM
Wisconsin (Rasmussen):

52% Approve
48% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Wisconsin was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 16, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/wisconsin/toplines/toplines_2010_wisconsin_senate_march_16_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 19, 2010, 01:00:38 AM
Connecticut (Quinnipiac):

54% Approve
42% Disapprove

From March 9 - 15, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,451 Connecticut registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.6 percentage points. The survey includes 549 Democrats with a margin of error of +/- 4.2 percentage points and 387 Republicans with a margin of error of +/- 5 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1296.xml?ReleaseID=1433


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 19, 2010, 01:11:12 AM
SurveyUSA

Ohio
42% Approve
52% Disapprove

Indiana
49% Approve
40% Disapprove

Washington
46% Approve
49% Disapprove

Oregon
48% Approve
50% Disapprove

Where did you get the Indiana numbers from ?

There`s also

Kansas: 37% Approve, 61% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=0fef027f-c866-4176-ad0d-a55ae7485458

California: 52% Approve, 44% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=51592b79-0995-4b0c-a664-2a571b0c6671

49/40 Indiana and 42/52 Ohio look like opposites of what I would ever expect, and no way is Obama have more approval in Indiana than either Oregon or Washington. I can';t accept those at face value.

I can accept those for California (as part of an average with a poll from today) and Kansas... but that is it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 19, 2010, 01:13:00 AM
SurveyUSA

Ohio
42% Approve
52% Disapprove

Indiana
49% Approve
40% Disapprove

Washington
46% Approve
49% Disapprove

Oregon
48% Approve
50% Disapprove

Where did you get the Indiana numbers from ?

There`s also

Kansas: 37% Approve, 61% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=0fef027f-c866-4176-ad0d-a55ae7485458

California: 52% Approve, 44% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=51592b79-0995-4b0c-a664-2a571b0c6671

49/40 Indiana and 42/52 Ohio look like opposites of what I would ever expect, and no way is Obama have more approval in Indiana than either Oregon or Washington. I can';t accept those at face value.

I can accept those for California (as part of an average with a poll from today) and Kansas... but that is it.

I think he just fooled us with the Indiana numbers, because I can`t find them on the SUSA page. All other numbers posted are true and on the SUSA page.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 19, 2010, 01:16:42 AM
California, Wisconsin (averages); Connecticut, Kansas new. Those introduced by Vanderblubb without documentation are rejected.

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.
 





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 19, 2010, 01:23:01 AM
California, Wisconsin (averages); Connecticut, Kansas new. Those introduced by Vanderblubb without documentation are rejected.

Oregon:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=09180fd7-8892-4790-910a-ad64f68bbaba

Washington:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=482c9ab6-3bd6-4567-857f-e141d4410421

Ohio:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=1e1c35c8-2478-4faf-88ae-b10f35134897


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on March 19, 2010, 07:28:47 AM
Strategic Vision is back !

Georgia:

37% Approve
50% Disapprove

The results are based on telephone interviews with 800 likely voters in Georgia, aged 18+, and conducted March 5-8, 2010 by telephone. The margin of sampling error is ±3.5 percentage points.

http://www.strategicvision.biz/political/georgia_poll_031510.htm

The huge gap between approval and disapproval indicates the uselessness of that poll. I'd have to show it with the letter "S" (spurious, suspicious, screwy, shady)... except that such would crowd out another and more reliable poll.

I will not use this one.  

I usually don't even post in this thread, but I just want to clarify for my own amusement: You don't want to include this SV poll of Georgia, showing Obama at a "huge" -13, because he couldn't possibly be underwater in Georgia?

Strategic Vision is now also - for the first time ever - publishing crosstabs:

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B_KEK8-LWmzhMWQ1YmZhYzMtMmQ0ZC00MDRiLTk4NGQtOWZiZjhmZWVkYWU4&hl=en

Interestingly, 22% of GA Blacks are undecided about Obama`s approval, while just 8% of Whites are.

"22% of GA blacks undecided"? I may've spoke too soon in support of this poll.

Obama is getting some criticism from the Black Caucus.  It could be the Uber liberal s in the Black community.

Could be, but we can hardly doubt 99% of these "undecided" African-American voters will turn out and vote for Obama in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on March 19, 2010, 07:37:27 AM
The Indiana fake numbers were just to make pbrower look like an idiot (think SOUTH CAROLINA) and naturally he obliged since he is one.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 19, 2010, 08:31:38 AM
The Indiana fake numbers were just to make pbrower look like an idiot (think SOUTH CAROLINA) and naturally he obliged since he is one.

1. I distrust Vanderblubb.  

2. The most recent South Carolina poll shows something like 48/40. Because the approval figure is consistent with other polls I don't consider it spurious. It's the low disapproval that is shaky, and it is possible that with the high number of undecided, it could be anything from 60/40 to 48/52. I would have accepted 48/52, which is in line, but I would not accept 60/40. I would also accept 51/48, which isn't out of line. I would also have accepted 44/56.

Something funny has been going on in South Carolina, and it is current Republican politicians. No, they aren't funny in the sense that Al Frankin was funny in Saturday Night Live sketches -- it's funny, strange, as in the sort of behavior that precedes being rejected in bids for re-election. Such is being shown in polls involving gubernatorial and senatorial races.  

Abuse of power, ungentlemanly conduct, and extremism are suggest vulnerability at the next election.    


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 19, 2010, 08:44:19 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45%

Disapprove 55%


"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, unchanged.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, +1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on March 19, 2010, 10:53:07 AM
Quote from: Pbrower
Welcome back to PBrower's World. You've no doubt heard my theories on South Carolina, as well as the reasons why I'm unwilling to accept polling data that I just plain don't think looks right based on my own preconceptions.

Backing this up? Well, I have in my hands, right here [waves a paper]... a University poll that says Barack Obama's approvals are 48 to 40 in the Palmetto state. Phenomenal results, people. (We'll have even more on that in later shows, I promise you.)

Why are they so high? Well, I dug deep inside my anus to find some rationale for you, folks:

Something funny has been going on in South Carolina, and it is current Republican politicians. No, they aren't funny in the sense that Al Frankin was funny in Saturday Night Live sketches -- it's funny, strange, as in the sort of behavior that precedes being rejected in bids for re-election. Such is being shown in polls involving gubernatorial and senatorial races. 

Abuse of power, ungentlemanly conduct, and extremism are suggest vulnerability at the next election.   

And what that has to do with whether or not anyone approves of Barack Obama, well, that we're still working on figuring out. But when we do, oh boy howdy will you hear it here first!

Meanwhile, I remain suspicious of polling numbers that show Obama at, like, nearly -10 net favorables in Georgia and Ohio. Cause, you know, those numbers are kinda ugly and I don't like them. Also, we think the Georgia one was just plain made up, crosstabs be damned.

[clears throat]

Next up on Pbrower's World: Factoring in the Age Wave: Why a map showing Barack Obama to be net unfavorable in well over 300 electoral votes worth of states means he'll win re-election in 2012. You won't want to miss it!

[cut to commercial]


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 19, 2010, 12:13:37 PM
South Carolina is one state, and it is the only one in which the state's GOP pols are so egregious in arrogance, racism, or bad behavior.  What I think applies to South Carolina does not apply to Alabama.  The GOP in South Carolina acts like a Party about to be turned out of office. South Carolina may be more conservative than America as a whole, but even a very conservative polity has its limitations.

Polls showing Obama support in the high 40s have appeared for several months in South Carolina. They look anomalous and invite examination. But they are consistent! Consistency in time and between pollsters suggests change from one norm to another. Is such change permanent? Who knows? Maybe the GOP will get its stuff together in South Carolina in time for the November elections and give a resounding victory for Senator James DeMint.

If another state that has normally voted Democratic for a long time -- let us say Michigan -- had an incumbent governor with a sex scandal, a left-wing Senator operating on the lunatic fringe, a Lieutenant Governor mouthing off Marxist claptrap, and a Congressman shouting off an insult at the President (in 2006 that would have been Dubya) in the State of the Union Speech, would you have seen trouble for the Democrats?

.... Net favorables for some states have been jumping around. So it has been in some states with 15+ electoral votes -- Florida, Georgia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Texas. That happens. For now that is statistical noise. If it gets more consistent, then I might see a trend.

Age wave? Show me that it isn't a reality. Young adults  -- voters under 30 -- are now much more liberal and Democratic-leaning  than voters over 30. Can we expect the same of voters that will be voting for the first time for President in 2012? They have had the same educational influences and they have been exposed to the same mass culture. Their economic experiences have been much the same except that the youngest will have known the economic meltdown of 2008 as mid-teens instead of as adults. The youngest adults generally have little cause to be political conservatives. They are paid badly for their abilities, they are often heavily in debt (so they have no cause for support for deflationary policies associated with the GOP),  tax cuts are for the benefit of people other than themselves, and they are not drifting toward Christian fundamentalism. They still remember George W. Bush as a political disaster, and they don't know Bill Clinton very well except as an ex-President of the United States and will have no memory of the Cold War.  Remember: voters of November 2012 will have been born as late as November 1994.   

In the mid-1980s, an age wave would have shown a tendency toward the Republican Party and conservatism. Younger voters in their 20s were supplanting older, more liberal voters (New Deal Democrats) born early in the 20th Century and making the electorate more conservative and pro-GOP.  People who thought that Ronald Reagan was just a political fad discovered otherwise.  It works both ways, but at different times.

.........

Of course it is still possible that Barack Obama will prove a destructive failure as President, that youth will get some "sense" and recognize that what is best for tycoons and executives is best for them irrespective of the implicit sacrifices for anyone not already rich, that they will come to recognize FoX  News as the only reliable source for televised news, and that America may soon have a youth-based religious revival that turns former liberals into hard-line conservatives, and even the reputation of our 43rd President will be restored to an image of greatness. If most of that comes to pass, then the Democrats are going to be thrown to the curb politically in 2010 and 2012 because no campaign strategy and no oratory can undo the damage or the social change. .

But at least as likely, Barack Obama will get his pet healthcare reform passed; he will bring about major reforms that will change America for the better (next comes the financial industry better at grabbing wealth than at creating it or even protecting it); he will get credit for graceful exits from Iraq and Afghanistan; he will get to ride an economic upturn that showed signs of happening only in February 2009.

Healthcare reform is his Achilles heel so far. The lucrative industry wants no challenges to its fast-rising revenues despite decaying service. It has been funding a strident campaign on behalf of what we now have (profits-first, people just often enough to keep people from rebelling) against every Democratic member of Congress. That campaign stops once the bill is passed or defeated.       

   

     

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sasquatch on March 19, 2010, 01:01:40 PM
Things aren't looking good right now for Obama.

He trails in Washington!?!?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 19, 2010, 01:17:33 PM
Things aren't looking good right now for Obama.

He trails in Washington!?!?

Most of the newest polls that I have (Wisconsin excepted) are by SurveyUSA, which gives a bigger edge to Republicans than does Rasmussen, and lots of people complain about Rasmussen.

We are also in the last days of the legislative process concerning health care reform, and the lucrative industry has been funding a strident campaign against any change in the profits-first, people-as-convenient system that we now have. Did you expect objectivity or impartiality in the related ads? It's pure scare. We have the world's most expensive health-care system in the world, and we get mediocre results for those who do sort-of-OK with it, and dreadful results for those priced out of it. 

Once that is over, that scare campaign stops, and so does the erosion of Obama support in the polls.

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on March 19, 2010, 01:26:08 PM
Not many complain about Rasmussen, only hacks do.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on March 19, 2010, 01:55:28 PM
South Carolina is one state, and it is the only one in which the state's GOP pols are so egregious in arrogance, racism, or bad behavior.  What I think applies to South Carolina does not apply to Alabama.  The GOP in South Carolina acts like a Party about to be turned out of office. South Carolina may be more conservative than America as a whole, but even a very conservative polity has its limitations.

Polls showing Obama support in the high 40s have appeared for several months in South Carolina. They look anomalous and invite examination. But they are consistent! Consistency in time and between pollsters suggests change from one norm to another. Is such change permanent? Who knows? Maybe the GOP will get its stuff together in South Carolina in time for the November elections and give a resounding victory for Senator James DeMint.

If another state that has normally voted Democratic for a long time -- let us say Michigan -- had an incumbent governor with a sex scandal, a left-wing Senator operating on the lunatic fringe, a Lieutenant Governor mouthing off Marxist claptrap, and a Congressman shouting off an insult at the President (in 2006 that would have been Dubya) in the State of the Union Speech, would you have seen trouble for the Democrats?

.... Net favorables for some states have been jumping around. So it has been in some states with 15+ electoral votes -- Florida, Georgia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Texas. That happens. For now that is statistical noise. If it gets more consistent, then I might see a trend.

Age wave? Show me that it isn't a reality. Young adults  -- voters under 30 -- are now much more liberal and Democratic-leaning  than voters over 30. Can we expect the same of voters that will be voting for the first time for President in 2012? They have had the same educational influences and they have been exposed to the same mass culture. Their economic experiences have been much the same except that the youngest will have known the economic meltdown of 2008 as mid-teens instead of as adults. The youngest adults generally have little cause to be political conservatives. They are paid badly for their abilities, they are often heavily in debt (so they have no cause for support for deflationary policies associated with the GOP),  tax cuts are for the benefit of people other than themselves, and they are not drifting toward Christian fundamentalism. They still remember George W. Bush as a political disaster, and they don't know Bill Clinton very well except as an ex-President of the United States and will have no memory of the Cold War.  Remember: voters of November 2012 will have been born as late as November 1994.   

In the mid-1980s, an age wave would have shown a tendency toward the Republican Party and conservatism. Younger voters in their 20s were supplanting older, more liberal voters (New Deal Democrats) born early in the 20th Century and making the electorate more conservative and pro-GOP.  People who thought that Ronald Reagan was just a political fad discovered otherwise.  It works both ways, but at different times.

.........

Of course it is still possible that Barack Obama will prove a destructive failure as President, that youth will get some "sense" and recognize that what is best for tycoons and executives is best for them irrespective of the implicit sacrifices for anyone not already rich, that they will come to recognize FoX  News as the only reliable source for televised news, and that America may soon have a youth-based religious revival that turns former liberals into hard-line conservatives, and even the reputation of our 43rd President will be restored to an image of greatness. If most of that comes to pass, then the Democrats are going to be thrown to the curb politically in 2010 and 2012 because no campaign strategy and no oratory can undo the damage or the social change. .

But at least as likely, Barack Obama will get his pet healthcare reform passed; he will bring about major reforms that will change America for the better (next comes the financial industry better at grabbing wealth than at creating it or even protecting it); he will get credit for graceful exits from Iraq and Afghanistan; he will get to ride an economic upturn that showed signs of happening only in February 2009.

Healthcare reform is his Achilles heel so far. The lucrative industry wants no challenges to its fast-rising revenues despite decaying service. It has been funding a strident campaign on behalf of what we now have (profits-first, people just often enough to keep people from rebelling) against every Democratic member of Congress. That campaign stops once the bill is passed or defeated.       
 

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 19, 2010, 02:31:31 PM
Georgia (Rasmussen):

44% Approve
54% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Georgia was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 17, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/georgia/toplines/toplines_georgia_governor_march_17_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 19, 2010, 03:02:07 PM
California (Field):

52% Approve
37% Disapprove

The findings in this report are based on a Field Poll survey completed March 9-15, 2010 among a random sample of 503 registered voters statewide. Interviewing was conducted by telephone in English and Spanish with live interviewers working from Field Research’s central location telephone interviewing facility.

http://www.field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/Rls2332.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 19, 2010, 03:22:54 PM

Ohio, Oregon, Washington, SurveyUSA. Georgia by Rasmussen, and it is toward the top of the beige category. California, a rare Field poll that changes nothing.  

We have had problems with polls from SurveyUSA, haven't we? The last ones seemed to not have much sticking power. Somehow I think that Rasmussen has less of an R bias than does SurveyUSA.

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.
 






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on March 19, 2010, 06:45:06 PM
Georgia (Rasmussen):

44% Approve
54% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Georgia was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 17, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/georgia/toplines/toplines_georgia_governor_march_17_2010

He seems to be holding up surprisingly well there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Reaganfan on March 19, 2010, 07:32:40 PM
I just remembered this all of a sudden...

Remember in 2005 when President Bush's approval ratings were lower state by state than his numbers nationally and it puzzled us all? Then, very quickly, the state numbers caught up and his approval sunk nationally? I have a feeling the same thing is about to happen to President Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on March 19, 2010, 07:59:24 PM
My prediction map
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198 DEM
308 REP


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 19, 2010, 10:37:34 PM
I just remembered this all of a sudden...

Remember in 2005 when President Bush's approval ratings were lower state by state than his numbers nationally and it puzzled us all? Then, very quickly, the state numbers caught up and his approval sunk nationally? I have a feeling the same thing is about to happen to President Obama.

George W. Bush

1. Was a dreadful speaker. Once he got into trouble he had no way of talking himself out of it.

2. Had performed the silly "Mission Accomplished" stunt.  That would bite back hard.

3. Had two wars going on, both bungled badly, for which he was increasingly held at fault.

4. Had yet to experience the consequences of economic collapse on his watch even if such was then a certainty.

5. Bungled the response to a natural disaster.

6. Was in a Party waxing corrupt and arrogant -- and headed for a nasty fall.

7. Had few legislative achievements other than that on behalf of special interest groups that funded his campaign.

8. Was utterly incompetent as a diplomat.

I'm not going to conclude that the falling numbers for Barack Obama aren't real. They can be transitory.  Sure, there may be analogies, but if one uses the right analogies one can make a Yorkshire terrier seem much like a tiger.

Has any President endured such a well-funded, well-organized smear campaign from an interest group intent on demolishing a part of his legislative agenda? Of course it is risky to challenge a well-heeled special interest with a commanding height in the economy even if the commanding height is used only to wring wealth from everyone else.

We will have a vote on the health care bill, arguably the most important legislation in years., on Sunday afternoon.  I can't predict the results -- but it will be more important than the Final Four this year. Next year there will be another Final Four; we can't be sure whether there will be any change except for the worse in the way we do medical care.

If the bill is defeated, then it is nothing ventured, nothing gained, and we will have a health care system whose main purpose is to line the pockets of people who do nothing to cure any disease or treat any injury, or make hospitals work as anything other than a conduit of cash to some profiteers, and we have the world's worst method of administering health care. If it passes, then it's on to something else.  Either way the catcalls come to an end.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Saxwsylvania on March 20, 2010, 10:00:58 AM
Obama's numbers can improve ... but don't expect it to happen this year.  His best bet is to have Republicans take back both houses of Congress, then shift to the center a la Clinton.  The problem is that Obama is no Clinton, he's too much an ideologue.  If a Republican takeover occurs, expect deadlock and government shutdowns and no legislation passed.  Obama should then hope for Sarah Palin as his opponent or that the economy recovers.  From November 2010 to January 2013, he'll be effectively a lame duck.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 20, 2010, 11:27:18 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 43%

Disapprove 56%


"Strongly Approve" is at 23%.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%.  Both are unchanged.

Today's polling represents a tie for Obama's lowest approval and highest disapproval numbers on Rasmussen.  This, in what could be an ominous sign, puts his "Strongly Disapprove" numbers ahead of his Approve numbers.  This makes the first time this has happened.

This is but one day of polling, however.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 20, 2010, 12:42:52 PM
Just wait for the vote on health care reform. Not until the bill is definitively passed in both Houses of Congress will we get to see how things turn out. The current trend looks like Obama as a one-term President with some right-wing nutcase becoming President with a stooge Congress in 2013, with America becoming something very different. Of course a short-term trend is not to be treated as a long-term trend unless there is such an underlying cause as erratic behavior, an economic collapse, a military debacle, or a scandal. Does anyone see any of those?  A legislative failure is not doom for a President in the sense that erratic behavior, an economic collapse, a military debacle, or a scandal is. Think about this: with few legislative successes, George W. Bush was re-elected.

Never extrapolate a short-term trend that doesn't have some irreversible cause behind it.

On Sunday the bill passes both Houses of Congress or it doesn't. Period. That's Game 7 of the World Series, ninth inning, and one must ask whether Barack Obama has a 7-4 lead with Mariano Rivera pitching to the Cubs with their #7, #8, and #9 hitters due at the plate, or whether his team is the Chicago Cubs. Within what seems an eternity we will have definitive results.

As I see it, President Obama took what he thought was a low-risk (of failure), high-reward  gamble on the most important legislation since the Great Society programs. The risk of failure has proved greater than he expected, but the rewards for success are as high as ever.

What has been happening? The health insurance industry has been funding repeated ads denouncing the legislation and in consequence any politician supporting the legislation is getting a rhetorical tarring-and-feathering. Huge profits for doing little more than organizing the paperwork of low-paid clerks will be defended ferociously. Privileged elites 'earning' easy money always defend their privilege against any challenge.

Once the bill is passed or defeated, the campaign of vilification will be over. The heavy advertising to thwart the legislation will become either futile or irrelevant. Much of the rent-a-protest tea party activity will go into hibernation as its corporate support looks for something else.   



 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RI on March 20, 2010, 02:08:23 PM
Uh, pbrower, the Senate isn't voting tomorrow...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 20, 2010, 02:57:55 PM
Uh, pbrower, the Senate isn't voting tomorrow...

Sure. The Senate is a done deal or all but done. So is a Presidential signature.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Reaganfan on March 20, 2010, 03:53:39 PM
Just wait for the vote on health care reform. Not until the bill is definitively passed in both Houses of Congress will we get to see how things turn out. The current trend looks like Obama as a one-term President with some right-wing nutcase becoming President with a stooge Congress in 2013, with America becoming something very different.

I agree with that, but what do you mean America "becoming something very different?"


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 20, 2010, 05:29:33 PM
Just wait for the vote on health care reform. Not until the bill is definitively passed in both Houses of Congress will we get to see how things turn out. The current trend looks like Obama as a one-term President with some right-wing nutcase becoming President with a stooge Congress in 2013, with America becoming something very different.

I agree with that, but what do you mean America "becoming something very different?"

You really don't want to know. Really. Anyone who thinks that Bush, Rove, and Cheney didn't go far enough will be very happy with the new America. That's all that I need say.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on March 20, 2010, 05:55:18 PM
Just wait for the vote on health care reform. Not until the bill is definitively passed in both Houses of Congress will we get to see how things turn out. The current trend looks like Obama as a one-term President with some right-wing nutcase becoming President with a stooge Congress in 2013, with America becoming something very different.

I agree with that, but what do you mean America "becoming something very different?"

You really don't want to know. Really. Anyone who thinks that Bush, Rove, and Cheney didn't go far enough will be very happy with the new America. That's all that I need say.


The people pushing the Bush 43/ Cheney ways are the Dems.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 21, 2010, 01:11:00 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45% +2

Disapprove 54% -2


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -2.

This could be a bad sample dropping off.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: xavier110 on March 21, 2010, 01:25:27 PM
Huge Gallup swing

50 (+3)/43 (-4)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on March 21, 2010, 01:49:12 PM
HCR boost, presumably?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 21, 2010, 02:02:37 PM

Before anyone makes any predictions, we should wait a few days. The Big Vote is this afternoon/evening. I think that most Americans, whatever their side on the health care reform want the ugly process over -- definitively over. We just have had some of the most intense politics in recent decades.

So far as I can tell the vote will be close. The tension will abate quickly.

First, watch national polls, as those will portend how statewide polls will go for at least the remainder of March and into early April. It will be difficult for Obama to have 44% approval in Georgia and either 55% nationwide approval -- or 35% national approval. States close to the national average on approval, like Florida, Iowa, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, will make big shifts.

The political discord will almost certainly abate. Tension is not good for approval ratings for anyone (the President) or any political institution (Congress) involved. For now I will not predict the direction, as some of us will have plenty of opportunity to say "I told you so!" very soon, I won't say whom, as the vote is yet to be done.

Second -- there just is too little to say yet.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 21, 2010, 02:30:29 PM

I think it's more a very bad day rolling off the average.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 21, 2010, 02:43:28 PM

On Rasmussen, no.  Yesterday's numbers were remarkably low.  Obama tied for his highest disapproval and lowest approval numbers on record.  It looked like possibly a bad sample.

His current Rasmussen numbers were actually slightly better last week at this time than today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 21, 2010, 10:31:41 PM
The bill passed. The Orwellian catcalls from fronts for the health-insurance racket come to an end. The tea-bag protesters will have to turn to something else. Don't worry; April 15 is but 25 days away.

Things have been tense. Tension is bad for the approval of any politician, and this will be the same for Republicans in Congress as for President Obama.

I was not sure of how the vote would go until I saw two contrasting deliveries on C-SPAN: House Minority Whip giving a hysterical oration on how the health-care reform bill would run afoul of everything that Americans hold dear, and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi giving a calm, reasoned, and even dull presentation of the desirability of the bill.  Maybe both knew something that I didn't know (no surprise there!)

Can I predict that the next Rasmussen poll of Iowa next week of "likely voters" will give a 57% approval, should there be such a poll? Hardly. We have several effects working at once:

1. Everybody likes a winner -- and President Barack Obama just won. BIG!

2. The tension in political life is released. Perhaps the edginess will diminish enough to let people have better feelings overall.

3. Many people still thought this bill a disaster and still will.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 21, 2010, 10:46:46 PM


material adapted from another post:




Note: approval polls from March 13. Little has changed, and the point was one in which things looked as if political realities between 2000 and 2008 were still relevant.


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow 
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green>60%: 80% Green


 



Here is a prediction of how states would vote based on how things were on March 13. 

I think that we can reasonably assume that DC, Hawaii, and Maine  (including its two Congressional districts, which give electoral votes as the district votes -- same as Nebraska) will vote for Barack Obama in 2012. We can also reasonably assume that Mississippi, Nebraska (except perhaps NE-02, Greater Omaha, which votes very differently from the rest of the state), West Virginia, and Wyoming will reasonably vote for any Republican.

Any state in which approval for Barack Obama by "likely voters" is 50% or greater (this is a very rigid standard) will go for Obama -- or else Obama has surely lost. Color those states and the "sure things for him" of the preceding paragraph in deep red (maroon).  In medium red are those states (except South Carolina, which may not belong in the "aqua" category, and I will explain why) are states in which Obama has equal or higher approval greater than 45%. That adds Minnesota, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, Obama's weakest wins from the so-called Blue Firewall, in 2008 -- one of which, Wisconsin, gave a bare (and some say "tainted") Kerry victory in 2004.  Basically these states and DC are the ones that have not voted for a Republican nominee for President after 1988 -- even once.

Now we get to the "sand" category in the top map (and I am adding South Carolina to it) in which approval for Obama is lower than disapproval but above 45%.  Three states from this category -- Iowa, New Hampshire, and New Mexico -- have voted only once for a Republican nominee for President (Dubya in both cases) after 1988. I color those pink because they have more of a habit of voting Democratic than the other states in sand in the higher map.  Obama won each of those states by at least 9% in 2008. It will not be enough for Obama to win all states in maroon, red, or pink in 2008, and it will be even shorter of being enough in 2012.   

Now we get to the other states in sand.   Obama won every one of those except South Carolina, and I am including South Carolina in this group because its approvals of the President fit this group better than any others, and South Carolina is surprisingly stable between pollsters in the last five months. They will be the legitimate swing states in a close election, unlike those in pink, where the habit of voting D is much stronger and the Democratic Party has stronger organization. You can count on much of the campaigning to be done in these states in the autumn in a near 50-50 election.

So why do I not have Indiana and NE-02 (which Obama barely won in 2008), Missouri (which he barely lost), Georgia or Montana (both of which he lost by 5% or less), or Arizona (which would have been close had someone other than John McCain), let alone Nevada (which he won by a huge margin in 2008) in sand? These would seem to be on the fringe of contention in a 50-50 race. The pale blue indicates that if the Republican must defend any one of these in 2012, he is in as much trouble politically as Obama is if he has to defend something in pink, let alone medium-red.
 

All of those states show approval ratings under 45% right now, and if that is coincidence, it fits. Nevada voted for Obama by a huge margin because of the real-estate collapse. 70% of Nevada housing is underwater, and not because of any flooding except for bad loans, and that won't be resolved before 2012. That Senator Harry Reid is fighting for his political life indicates that the lending mess is far from settled in the state. Neither Montana nor NE-02 is likely to decide the election (I am guessing on NE-02) on its own or separately. Obama can't win Indiana without winning Ohio, Georgia, without winning both North Carolina and Florida, or Arizona without winning Colorado and Nevada.

 Obama wins Missouri if he makes significant headway in states in lgreen that Bill Clinton won in 1992 and 1996 but Obama got clobbered in because  even if northern Missouri and greater St. Louis and Kansas City vote as a whole like Iowa, southern Missouri votes more like Arkansas or West Virginia.  I do not now predict that  Obama will gain anything in the states in  green; so far, President Obama is the wrong sort of Democrat to win any of those states until I see otherwise. I have so little hope that Obama could win any of those states (although Tennessee surprises me slightly) that I consider Texas, both Dakotas, and NE-01 all in medium  blue all more likely to go to Obama in 2012. If John Vitter can be re-elected in Louisiana after a sex scandal fatal to his career in almost any other state, then that shows how strongly Republican Louisiana has become. Navy and dark green indicate states that Obama are even less likely wins for him than Texas. 


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Tier 1: Really-solid Democratic in a 50-50 race -  206 EV        206
Tier 2: absolute must-wins for Obama, 2012 - 41 EV               247 (Kerry - NH)
Tier 3: fringe of Republican contention -16 EV - 16 EV             264 (Gore + NH)

Tier 4: Legitimate swing states  - 90  EV                                    355           

Tier 5: fringe of Democratic contention  - 56 EV                      411

Tier 6: Obama landslide begins   - 41 EV                                   452

Tier 7: Everything else


(based on electoral votes in 2008).
                                                                                               


So why is 45% so significant? Nate Silver estimates that any incumbent has about a 50% chance of winning if his most recent Gallup approval rating going into the election is at 44%, and the chance of re-election rises rapidly above and falls rapidly below that point.  The incumbent, unless a turkey, has most of the structural advantages in a contest against any challenger. Within four years, the incumbent should be well established for what he believes and doesn't believe. He should have gotten some of his legislative agenda passed and it should show the positive effects early.  What applies to the nation probably applies just as well to states.

In contrast, the challenger must be very strong at offering an alternative to the apparent failures of the incumbent. If at 50% approval the incumbent does not need to campaign much to win, then between 44% and 50% approval the incumbent's campaign can rely heavily upon negative advertising that casts doubt upon the coherence of the challenger's promises.  Think of 2004, when many Democrats thought that John Kerry would win because Dubya was awful (the judgment of history so far); Dubya won! The incumbent's campaign worked to dampen enthusiasm for Kerry, to shore up support among usual constituencies for conservative policies, and to discourage many people who might have voted for Kerry from going to the polls. Such may explain why incumbents choosing to run for re-election have won 72% of their chances since 1900, inclusive.

Note also that most of the state  polls (heavily Rasmussen) are of what Rasmussen terms "likely voters", which may undercount likely Democratic voters in 2012. "Likely voters" may mean people who have a proven high likelihood of participating in elections based on prior behavior. Obviously anyone born after November 4, 1990 has yet to show any likelihood of voting in any future election, and very young voters of 2012 may vote very differently from the electorate at large. In contrast, Rasmussen cannot predict what "likely voters" will fail to vote because they fail to live long enough, and if those voters are more conservative than the electorate as a whole, then that also undercuts the likely Obama vote. 

Since then some states have "moved", but I am not certain that polls since then to date  will reflect reality as of April 1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on March 22, 2010, 07:53:42 AM
Just wait for the vote on health care reform. Not until the bill is definitively passed in both Houses of Congress will we get to see how things turn out. The current trend looks like Obama as a one-term President with some right-wing nutcase becoming President with a stooge Congress in 2013, with America becoming something very different.

I agree with that, but what do you mean America "becoming something very different?"

You really don't want to know. Really. Anyone who thinks that Bush, Rove, and Cheney didn't go far enough will be very happy with the new America. That's all that I need say.


The people pushing the Bush 43/ Cheney ways are the Dems.

Not this one.

Or any other I know either come to think of it. We're too busy working to clean up the mess left behind.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Inmate Trump on March 22, 2010, 09:17:24 AM
People claiming that President Obama is seeing or going to see a boost in his approval rating due to the passage of health care reform are misguided.  If anything he's going to see a drop.  I would say he'll hover around the mid to low 40s (about where he is right now) for the rest of the next month or two after which he'll see a slow decline.  He'll be in the 30s by the end of the year when Republicans will sweep by houses of Congress, again because of health care.

Sure, people like a winner, and like to support the winner.  But it depends heavily on what said winner has won, and what the President and his Congress have just won is something that the American people overwhelmingly object to, as evidenced in every single poll taken on this topic.  *Note that I said "his" Congress.  The Congress no longer represents its people; if they did, this bill never would've gotten as far as it did and the entire issue would've been dead months ago.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 22, 2010, 09:30:23 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47% +2

Disapprove 53% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.

Over the last two days, Obama's "Strongly Approve" numbers jumped up six point.  The rest has moved slightly, but generally within 3 points.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on March 22, 2010, 09:32:37 AM
People claiming that President Obama is seeing or going to see a boost in his approval rating due to the passage of health care reform are misguided.  If anything he's going to see a drop.  I would say he'll hover around the mid to low 40s (about where he is right now) for the rest of the next month or two after which he'll see a slow decline.  He'll be in the 30s by the end of the year when Republicans will sweep by houses of Congress, again because of health care.

Sure, people like a winner, and like to support the winner.  But it depends heavily on what said winner has won, and what the President and his Congress have just won is something that the American people overwhelmingly object to, as evidenced in every single poll taken on this topic.  *Note that I said "his" Congress.  The Congress no longer represents its people; if they did, this bill never would've gotten as far as it did and the entire issue would've been dead months ago.

Weren't you a Clinton supporter?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Inmate Trump on March 22, 2010, 09:43:04 AM

Yep.  I still am.  And I never said in my post above that I personally am against the bill or the president on this issue.  What I'm against are officials who're elected to represent the will of the people not doing their jobs.  When a majority of your constituents don't like something you're doing, you should either stop completely or go at it using a different approach.  The fact is, we need health care reform, but the way they've approached the reform hasn't worked.  So instead of having the support of the majority of the people, they're going to be shoving this thing down the throats (that's what she said - sorry...) of citizens who are against it.  It's going to backfire.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Iosif on March 22, 2010, 09:49:54 AM

Yep.  I still am.  And I never said in my post above that I personally am against the bill or the president on this issue.  What I'm against are officials who're elected to represent the will of the people not doing their jobs.  When a majority of your constituents don't like something you're doing, you should either stop completely or go at it using a different approach.  The fact is, we need health care reform, but the way they've approached the reform hasn't worked.  So instead of having the support of the majority of the people, they're going to be shoving this thing down the throats (that's what she said - sorry...) of citizens who are against it.  It's going to backfire.

Why bother with congress at all then? You might as well disband it and replace it with national referendums every time an issue needs addressing.

America is not governed based on what the polls are saying at any one time. You send a person to congress to represent you and if you don't like how he's representing you you vote them out 2 years later.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 22, 2010, 09:56:27 AM
People claiming that President Obama is seeing or going to see a boost in his approval rating due to the passage of health care reform are misguided.  If anything he's going to see a drop.  I would say he'll hover around the mid to low 40s (about where he is right now) for the rest of the next month or two after which he'll see a slow decline.  He'll be in the 30s by the end of the year when Republicans will sweep by houses of Congress, again because of health care.

Sure, people like a winner, and like to support the winner.  But it depends heavily on what said winner has won, and what the President and his Congress have just won is something that the American people overwhelmingly object to, as evidenced in every single poll taken on this topic.  *Note that I said "his" Congress.  The Congress no longer represents its people; if they did, this bill never would've gotten as far as it did and the entire issue would've been dead months ago.

It is too early to tell whether, let alone what sort of bump President Obama will find in daily tracking polls. I could make the case that we would be wise to start over a bit before April 1.

I believe that the toxic environment is no more. The health care industry is not going to fund more Orwellian scare ads; the debate is over.  People know that if their Congressional Representative is a Republican, he voted against the bill and that may be all that they need to know in November. Democrats will use that to hit any incumbent Republican.

I know enough to hedge my statements. Watch the daily tracking polls for the next few days to see how the President is doing. This was the most difficult legislation for him to get passed. It looked like a quixotic effort, but it has succeeded. If you see daily nationwide tracking polls move upward for President Obama, then you will see statewide polls follow.

Look also at whom the health care reform is most likely to help. Health insurance has become a huge economic burden on the working poor, people who usually voted for Democrats until about 2000 when the GOP was able to split them by pandering to the culture of white poor people. That may be over.    


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on March 22, 2010, 12:08:37 PM
I believe that the toxic environment is no more. The health care industry is not going to fund more Orwellian scare ads; the debate is over.  People know that if their Congressional Representative is a Republican, he voted against the bill and that may be all that they need to know in November. Democrats will use that to hit any incumbent Republican.


I believe that the toxic environment is no more. The industry is not going to fund more Orwellian scare ads; the debate is over.  People know that if their Congressional Representative is a Republican, he voted against the Clinton budget and that may be all that they need to know in November. Democrats will use that to hit any incumbent Republican.

I love playing around with the "date=" number.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on March 22, 2010, 01:12:19 PM

Yep.  I still am.  And I never said in my post above that I personally am against the bill or the president on this issue.  What I'm against are officials who're elected to represent the will of the people not doing their jobs.  When a majority of your constituents don't like something you're doing, you should either stop completely or go at it using a different approach.  The fact is, we need health care reform, but the way they've approached the reform hasn't worked.  So instead of having the support of the majority of the people, they're going to be shoving this thing down the throats (that's what she said - sorry...) of citizens who are against it.  It's going to backfire.

So elected officials should make all of their decisions based on what the polls say? Ridiculous, especially when you get completely different levels of support for this bill and so many other things based on how the questions are worded. Somehow I doubt you would have felt this way even if Clinton was trying to ram through a bill that did a lot more than this one does.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 22, 2010, 01:52:39 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45% +2

Disapprove 53% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.

Over the last two days, Obama's "Strongly Approve" numbers jumped up six point.  The rest has moved slightly, but generally within 3 points.



It`s actually 47-53 (+2, -1) for today (better said for the last 3 evenings).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 22, 2010, 02:17:54 PM
Iowa (Rasmussen):

50% Approve
49% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Iowa was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 17, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/iowa/toplines/toplines_2010_election_iowa_senate_march_17_2010

Vermont (Rasmussen):

60% Approve
39% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Vermont was conducted by Rasmussen Reports, March 18, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/vermont/toplines/toplines_2010_vermont_senate_march_18_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 22, 2010, 03:20:27 PM
Iowa, Vermont. Any jump in Iowa is statistical noise.

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.

.... all preceding the vote on health-care reform.

I plan to add an asterisk to the "C"  for polls that end between March 22, 2010 and March 31, 2010 to reflect a changed political climate. There will be no averaging between polls ending before and after March 22, 2010.  







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on March 22, 2010, 05:52:09 PM
I can understand the Midwest flipping back and forth as it is, but what is up with the Pacific North West having lower approval ratings than Iowa?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 22, 2010, 07:00:21 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45% +2

Disapprove 53% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.

Over the last two days, Obama's "Strongly Approve" numbers jumped up six point.  The rest has moved slightly, but generally within 3 points.



It`s actually 47-53 (+2, -1) for today (better said for the last 3 evenings).

You are right; I corrected it.  The real movement was in "strongly approve."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 22, 2010, 07:14:11 PM
I can understand the Midwest flipping back and forth as it is, but what is up with the Pacific North West having lower approval ratings than Iowa?

Survey USA tends to give lower approval ratings than does Rasmussen, the source of most polls on this map.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 23, 2010, 01:39:47 AM
SurveyUSA:

Los Angeles Area: 50% Approve, 44% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=6084861c-2d3f-4ba2-bed7-a94b55dc0e31

San Diego Area: 49% Approve, 49% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=18988d6a-5237-477f-ba69-cb52397fc216

Seattle-Tacoma Area: 49% Approve, 45% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=5bcf67ec-36a6-43a0-b38b-182454597194

Fresno-Visalia Area: 36% Approve, 54% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=7fa13c0d-3940-48f1-a174-860f1c800b1e

Tampa-Saint Petersburg Area: 40% Approve, 55% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=50cf343d-1a54-43a9-8900-277b38c4208d


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 23, 2010, 01:56:22 AM
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Los Angeles Area: 50% Approve, 44% Disapprove
?????????


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: exopolitician on March 23, 2010, 02:00:03 AM
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Los Angeles Area: 50% Approve, 44% Disapprove
?????????

These numbers prove Obama will lose California in 2012 hands down.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 23, 2010, 02:00:49 AM
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Los Angeles Area: 50% Approve, 44% Disapprove
?????????

SUSA's definition of LA is LA County, Orange County, Santa Barbara County and Ventura County.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 23, 2010, 06:26:59 AM
Not doing well in the Fresno area?

The San Joaquin Valley is California's political equivalent of the Texas Panhandle.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on March 23, 2010, 08:00:33 AM

Yep.  I still am.  And I never said in my post above that I personally am against the bill or the president on this issue.  What I'm against are officials who're elected to represent the will of the people not doing their jobs.  When a majority of your constituents don't like something you're doing, you should either stop completely or go at it using a different approach.  The fact is, we need health care reform, but the way they've approached the reform hasn't worked.  So instead of having the support of the majority of the people, they're going to be shoving this thing down the throats (that's what she said - sorry...) of citizens who are against it.  It's going to backfire.

There's always the tension in democracy of the balance leaders must strike between following the dictates of their constituency vs. striving to lead towards immediately unpopular but necessary reforms.

From what I've seen generally polls that ask Americans if they support (insert generic description of current HCR plan) the majority clearly (albeit not overwhelmingly) support it, especially if it includes language describing a public option. If polls ask whether Americans support "the Obama/ Congress's/ Democratic/currently proposed" plan they tend to split or lean opposed. That indicates when the smoke and heat from the immediate debate subsides this is a plan most Americans will support over the status quo, thus justifying Obama's firm efforts to push this through.

Put another way, half-baked accusations of death panels and the like finding some fertile ground among the gullible and temporarily reducing poll support for HCR is no reason to abandon it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on March 23, 2010, 08:03:23 AM
Not doing well in the Fresno area?

The San Joaquin Valley is California's political equivalent of the Texas Panhandle.

No, it's not.  Obama won the San Joaquin Valley by 4.5% and lost the Texas Panhandle by (ballparking it) 60%.  The similarities don't start anywhere.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on March 23, 2010, 08:31:37 AM

Yep.  I still am.  And I never said in my post above that I personally am against the bill or the president on this issue.  What I'm against are officials who're elected to represent the will of the people not doing their jobs.  When a majority of your constituents don't like something you're doing, you should either stop completely or go at it using a different approach.  The fact is, we need health care reform, but the way they've approached the reform hasn't worked.  So instead of having the support of the majority of the people, they're going to be shoving this thing down the throats (that's what she said - sorry...) of citizens who are against it.  It's going to backfire.

There's always the tension in democracy of the balance leaders must strike between following the dictates of their constituency vs. striving to lead towards immediately unpopular but necessary reforms.

From what I've seen generally polls that ask Americans if they support (insert generic description of current HCR plan) the majority clearly (albeit not overwhelmingly) support it, especially if it includes language describing a public option. If polls ask whether Americans support "the Obama/ Congress's/ Democratic/currently proposed" plan they tend to split or lean opposed. That indicates when the smoke and heat from the immediate debate subsides this is a plan most Americans will support over the status quo, thus justifying Obama's firm efforts to push this through.

Put another way, half-baked accusations of death panels and the like finding some fertile ground among the gullible and temporarily reducing poll support for HCR is no reason to abandon it.

New taxes without immediate benefits won't go over well, though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 23, 2010, 08:56:09 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% +1

Disapprove 52% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, unchanged.

Strongly Approved is where there has been real movement, +8 points.  Obamacare is probably shored up Obama's base.  In theory, it could be a bad sample.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 23, 2010, 09:22:01 AM
Just ignore Vanderblub, here`s a real poll:

Indiana (Rasmussen):

39% Approve
60% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Indiana was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 17-18, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 3.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/indiana/toplines/toplines_2010_indiana_senate_march_17_18_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 23, 2010, 09:47:17 AM
Lowest point for Obama in Indiana yet, and probably the lowest point for a long time. This one is still from before the HCR passage, as was the one for Iowa.

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.

.... all preceding the vote on health-care reform.

I plan to add an asterisk to the "C"  for polls that end between March 22, 2010 and March 31, 2010 to reflect a changed political climate. There will be no averaging between polls ending before and after March 22, 2010.  






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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 23, 2010, 10:38:59 AM
Wisconsin (PPP):

46% Approve
48% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 700 Wisconsin voters on March 20th and 21st. The margin of error for the
survey is +/-3.7%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may
introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_WI_323.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 23, 2010, 11:08:16 AM
Arizona (Rasmussen):

42% Approve
56% Disapprove

This telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Arizona was conducted by Rasmussen Reports on March 16, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/arizona/toplines/toplines_election_2010_arizona_governor_march_16_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on March 23, 2010, 11:22:20 AM
Just ignore Vanderblub, here`s a real poll:

Indiana (Rasmussen):

39% Approve
60% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Indiana was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 17-18, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 3.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/indiana/toplines/toplines_2010_indiana_senate_march_17_18_2010

John Kerry numbers!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on March 23, 2010, 11:28:59 AM
Just ignore Vanderblub, here`s a real poll:

Indiana (Rasmussen):

39% Approve
60% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Indiana was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 17-18, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 3.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/indiana/toplines/toplines_2010_indiana_senate_march_17_18_2010

John Kerry numbers!

Indeed, Indiana was for him before they were against him!

Lowest point for Obama in Indiana yet, and probably the lowest point for a long time. This one is still from before the HCR passage, as was the one for Iowa.

Weren't you cautioning just yesterday that no one should make predictions about the future yet regarding Obama's popularity and HCR?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 23, 2010, 01:13:01 PM
[Arizona, Wisconsin

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.

.... all preceding the vote on health-care reform.

I plan to add an asterisk to the "C"  for polls that end between March 22, 2010 and March 31, 2010 to reflect a changed political climate. There will be no averaging between polls ending before and after March 22, 2010.  

... Still no asterisks.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 23, 2010, 02:02:34 PM
Those state numbers are hideous for Obama, for those states.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 23, 2010, 04:05:02 PM
Those state numbers are hideous for Obama, for those states.

Hideous, indeed. They also coincide with the lowest points of approval for President Obama in nationwide tracking polls.  There has been an uptick since then, but we have nothing after the passage of health care reform. The tense environment is no more, and the catcalls have abated.

I am hedging my language on any predictions on whether President Obama will get any improvements in statewide polls over the next few weeks. I am prepared to believe that those of the last week of March stand to be very different from those of mid-March, and effectively those from November to mid-March. That the President was  heavily associated with a high-risk piece of legislation looked bad. Now he has won. That can make a difference in how he is perceived as President. 



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 23, 2010, 05:18:42 PM
Those state numbers are hideous for Obama, for those states.

State polls tend to lag behind nationals in my opinion. It happens in Presidential elections to.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 23, 2010, 05:41:32 PM
Portent of a turnaround? Health care reform was long the weak spot of President Obama.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-03-23-health-poll-favorable_N.htm

Quote

Opinions turn favorable on health care plan


By Susan Page, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — Americans by 9 percentage points have a favorable view of the health care overhaul that President Obama signed into law Tuesday, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds, a notable turnaround from surveys before the vote that showed a plurality against it.

By 49%-40% those surveyed say it was "a good thing" rather than a bad one that Congress passed the bill. Half describe their reaction in positive terms, as "enthusiastic" or "pleased," while about four in 10 describe it in negative ways, as "disappointed" or "angry."

The largest single group, 48%, calls the bill "a good first step" that should be followed by more action on health care. An additional 4% also have a favorable view, saying the bill makes the most important changes needed in the nation's health care system.

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To be sure, the nation remains divided about the massive legislation that narrowly passed the House late Sunday and was signed by Obama in an emotional East Room ceremony Tuesday morning. The Senate began debate Tuesday afternoon on a package of "fixes" demanded by the House.

The findings are encouraging for the White House and congressional Democrats, who get higher ratings than congressional Republicans for their work on the issue. The poll shows receptive terrain as the White House and advocacy groups launch efforts to sell the plan, including a trip by Obama to Iowa on Thursday.

No one gets overwhelmingly positive ratings on the issue, but Obama fares the best: 46% say his work has been excellent or good; 31% call it poor. Congressional Democrats get an even split: 32% call their efforts good or excellent; 33% poor.

The standing of congressional Republicans is more negative. While 26% rate their work on health care as good or excellent, a larger group, 34%, say it has been poor.

For more results and a look at the demographic breakdown of the poll findings, see Wednesday's USA TODAY.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on March 23, 2010, 06:36:07 PM
The one consistency in presidential approval ratings over the years is inconsistency.  The one predictable thing is unpredictability.  He's still not one third of the way between Inauguration and Election Day 2012.  Obama's approvals have fallen in the 14 months since he started, and they're very likely to both rise and fall at different points over the course of the 31 months between now and his next election.  Where they end up in November 2012 will be hard to predict even in March of 2012, let alone now.  The end.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 23, 2010, 07:46:56 PM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

Gallup three-day rolling average:

51 Approve, 43 disapprove

3-23-2010.

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http://www.gallup.com/poll/126929/Slim-Margin-Americans-Support-Healthcare-Bill-Passage.aspx

PRINCETON, NJ -- Nearly half of Americans give a thumbs-up to Congress' passage of a healthcare reform bill last weekend, with 49% calling it "a good thing." Republicans and Democrats have polar opposite reactions, with independents evenly split.The findings, from a March 22 USA Today/Gallup poll conducted one day after the bill received a majority of votes in the U.S. House of Representatives, represent immediate reactions to the vote.

Americans' emotional responses to the bill's passage are more positive than negative -- with 50% enthusiastic or pleased versus 42% angry or disappointed -- and are similar to their general reactions.

Although much of the public debate over healthcare reform has been heated, barely a third of rank-and-file citizens express either enthusiasm (15%) or anger (19%) about the bill's passage. However, only Democrats show greater enthusiasm than anger. Independents are twice as likely to be angry as enthusiastic, and Republicans 10 times as likely.

Passage of healthcare reform was a clear political victory for President Obama and his allies in Congress. While it also pleases most of his Democratic base nationwide, it is met with greater ambivalence among independents and with considerable antipathy among Republicans. Whether these groups' views on the issue harden or soften in the coming months could be crucial to how healthcare reform factors into this year's midterm elections. Given that initial public reaction to Sunday's vote is more positive than recent public opinion about passing a healthcare reform bill, it appears some softening has already occurred.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: sentinel on March 23, 2010, 09:09:33 PM
Do you think Obama will have a big bump due to the passage of health care?  He's at 51% on gallup now and was 46% last week


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 23, 2010, 10:34:04 PM
Do you think Obama will have a big bump due to the passage of health care?  He's at 51% on gallup now and was 46% last week

How big and how solid? We don't know. I am going to add an asterisk to any statewide poll in March (but not April) after the passage of health care reform.   There could be a bigger difference between March 27 and March 17 than between March 17 and January 17. Health care reform was President Obama's greatest vulnerability. He has done well on much else. The focus goes away from a seeming failure to other things.

The real issue may be how some House and Senate races go. Example: Senator Harry Reid seemed to be going down to a crashing defeat. Is he now still headed to a crashing defeat? I can't be so sure.

The Republicans may be in deep trouble. They may have satisfied their ideological base but few else. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Reaganfan on March 23, 2010, 11:36:18 PM
Health Care Bill Polls:

CBS: 37% support, 48% oppose.
Bloomberg: 39% support, 50% oppose.
CNN: 39% support, 59% oppose.

These three polls were all as of 3/21 or later.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on March 24, 2010, 12:07:17 AM
The Republicans may be in deep trouble.

Hahaha, yes.  If anything has become clear over the past year it's that Republicans are in deep trouble.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 24, 2010, 02:56:28 AM
Ohio (PPP):

40% Approve
53% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 630 Ohio voters on March 20th and 21st. The margin of error for the survey
is +/-3.9%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce
additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/03/tough-times-for-dems-in-midwest.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 24, 2010, 07:01:37 AM
Ohio (PPP):

40% Approve
53% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 630 Ohio voters on March 20th and 21st. The margin of error for the survey
is +/-3.9%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce
additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/03/tough-times-for-dems-in-midwest.html

Perhaps by now as obsolete as the weather forecast of the day.  Not a fault of the poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on March 24, 2010, 07:02:58 AM
Ohio (PPP):

40% Approve
53% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 630 Ohio voters on March 20th and 21st. The margin of error for the survey
is +/-3.9%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce
additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/03/tough-times-for-dems-in-midwest.html

Perhaps by now as obsolete as the weather forecast of the day.  Not a fault of the poll.

Yes, it's wrong. It's impossible for Obama to have net disapproval now. Toss this junk!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on March 24, 2010, 08:57:19 AM

Yep.  I still am.  And I never said in my post above that I personally am against the bill or the president on this issue.  What I'm against are officials who're elected to represent the will of the people not doing their jobs.  When a majority of your constituents don't like something you're doing, you should either stop completely or go at it using a different approach.  The fact is, we need health care reform, but the way they've approached the reform hasn't worked.  So instead of having the support of the majority of the people, they're going to be shoving this thing down the throats (that's what she said - sorry...) of citizens who are against it.  It's going to backfire.

There's always the tension in democracy of the balance leaders must strike between following the dictates of their constituency vs. striving to lead towards immediately unpopular but necessary reforms.

From what I've seen generally polls that ask Americans if they support (insert generic description of current HCR plan) the majority clearly (albeit not overwhelmingly) support it, especially if it includes language describing a public option. If polls ask whether Americans support "the Obama/ Congress's/ Democratic/currently proposed" plan they tend to split or lean opposed. That indicates when the smoke and heat from the immediate debate subsides this is a plan most Americans will support over the status quo, thus justifying Obama's firm efforts to push this through.

Put another way, half-baked accusations of death panels and the like finding some fertile ground among the gullible and temporarily reducing poll support for HCR is no reason to abandon it.

New taxes without immediate benefits won't go over well, though.

True enough, which is my biggest concern about HCR (and Obama) surviving until 2014.

Still, there are several things that help here: 1) Some popular portions of the law kick in this year, such as regulating insurance companies denying/revoking coverage; 2) The taxes effect only a tiny tiny percentage of voters (albeit a group that through their wealth has inordinate influence in politics and the media); and 3) perhaps most importantly voters and politicians are already starting to accept HCR as a done deal, which is accordingly gaining in support now that it's a reality and the world (or even the US health care system) hasn't promptly collapsed or reverted to Stalinism as predicted.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 24, 2010, 09:47:26 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48%

Disapprove 52%

Both unchanged.

"Strongly Approve" is at 31%.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 24, 2010, 10:07:34 AM


The Republicans may be in deep trouble. They may have satisfied their ideological base but few else. 

Looking at the 'bot, the only thing Obamacare may have done was rally his base.  He might basically stopped the hemorrhaging, though it was more of a slow leak.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on March 24, 2010, 01:02:31 PM
If you're going to see a bump in Obama's numbers regarding health care, it will be primarily with Democrats. I'd guess his numbers will enjoy a short-term shoring up in heavily Democratic states (which would be a godsend for Dems in California and Illinois, two Senate seats trending "competitive" where Republicans should be anything but).'

I doubt it moves the needle appreciably in his favor in Ohio.

Anyway, once this health care dust settles, the question becomes: What next? What is Obama going to do over the next eight months to avoid further erosion of his numbers due to the economy?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on March 24, 2010, 01:09:46 PM

Yep.  I still am.  And I never said in my post above that I personally am against the bill or the president on this issue.  What I'm against are officials who're elected to represent the will of the people not doing their jobs.  When a majority of your constituents don't like something you're doing, you should either stop completely or go at it using a different approach.  The fact is, we need health care reform, but the way they've approached the reform hasn't worked.  So instead of having the support of the majority of the people, they're going to be shoving this thing down the throats (that's what she said - sorry...) of citizens who are against it.  It's going to backfire.

There's always the tension in democracy of the balance leaders must strike between following the dictates of their constituency vs. striving to lead towards immediately unpopular but necessary reforms.

From what I've seen generally polls that ask Americans if they support (insert generic description of current HCR plan) the majority clearly (albeit not overwhelmingly) support it, especially if it includes language describing a public option. If polls ask whether Americans support "the Obama/ Congress's/ Democratic/currently proposed" plan they tend to split or lean opposed. That indicates when the smoke and heat from the immediate debate subsides this is a plan most Americans will support over the status quo, thus justifying Obama's firm efforts to push this through.

Put another way, half-baked accusations of death panels and the like finding some fertile ground among the gullible and temporarily reducing poll support for HCR is no reason to abandon it.

New taxes without immediate benefits won't go over well, though.

True enough, which is my biggest concern about HCR (and Obama) surviving until 2014.

Still, there are several things that help here: 1) Some popular portions of the law kick in this year, such as regulating insurance companies denying/revoking coverage; 2) The taxes effect only a tiny tiny percentage of voters (albeit a group that through their wealth has inordinate influence in politics and the media); and 3) perhaps most importantly voters and politicians are already starting to accept HCR as a done deal, which is accordingly gaining in support now that it's a reality and the world (or even the US health care system) hasn't promptly collapsed or reverted to Stalinism as predicted.

This can have negative consequences though. One the one hand, people realize the bill isn't nearly as big a deal as they thought, so those opposed to it won't really care much about it. However, supporters will also start to realize this isn't the amazing fix that would last for decades either. Honestly, I think this will be like NCLB, lots of debate when being pushed through but really not relevant when it comes to approvals and elections.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 24, 2010, 01:26:33 PM
If you're going to see a bump in Obama's numbers regarding health care, it will be primarily with Democrats. I'd guess his numbers will enjoy a short-term shoring up in heavily Democratic states (which would be a godsend for Dems in California and Illinois, two Senate seats trending "competitive" where Republicans should be anything but).'

Don't forget Congressional races.

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I doubt it moves the needle appreciably in his favor in Ohio.

Recent poor polls in Indiana and Ohio probably relate more to the overall economy than anything else. But that said, we must remember that there have been some vitriolic ads directed at any Democrat who said that he would vote for health care reform, part of the vitriol being the claim that health care reform would cost jobs. When people are afraid of losing their jobs, they might be vulnerable to any attack ads attempting to associate health care reform with job losses.

What isn't said that escalating costs of health care themselves put jobs at risk.

In any event, the poisoned environment of American political life has gotten some antidote. Obama won, and the Republicans came out with nothing.

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Anyway, once this health care dust settles, the question becomes: What next? What is Obama going to do over the next eight months to avoid further erosion of his numbers due to the economy?

One hopes that we will see the job-creating stage of the economic recovery.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on March 24, 2010, 02:22:59 PM

I'm not, but the *real* battleground races are in R+x districts, some heavily tilting towards the GOP. These are not the places where Obama's "victory" helps matters.

In any event, the poisoned environment of American political life has gotten some antidote. Obama won, and the Republicans came out with nothing.

A very short-term antidote. Massachusetts' version of HCR has, by some measures, gotten less popular as time goes on. And we're all freakin' Democrats.

One hopes that we will see the job-creating stage of the economic recovery.

One hopes, yes. I'm not terribly optimistic.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on March 24, 2010, 02:50:19 PM
I'm back!

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 24, 2010, 05:10:01 PM

One hopes that we will see the job-creating stage of the economic recovery.

One hopes, yes. I'm not terribly optimistic.

Nor am I.  The current "Misery Index" numbers are higher than at any point during the GWB administration.  You actually have to go back the recession of 1991 to find even comparable numbers.  http://www.miseryindex.us/customindexbymonth.asp


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on March 24, 2010, 05:56:58 PM
I'm back!

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

I still want to know how in hell the Northwest is in Red.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 24, 2010, 07:01:05 PM
Ohio (PPP):

40% Approve
53% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 630 Ohio voters on March 20th and 21st. The margin of error for the survey
is +/-3.9%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce
additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/03/tough-times-for-dems-in-midwest.html

Perhaps by now as obsolete as the weather forecast of the day.  Not a fault of the poll.

Yes, it's wrong. It's impossible for Obama to have net disapproval now. Toss this junk!

I would not be surprised if approval for President Obama is back to about 48% now but such would have been unlikely  on March 21, when Obama's approval was at its lowest,


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 25, 2010, 12:52:28 AM
Florida (Rasmussen):

43% Approve
55% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 1,000 Likely Voters in Florida was conducted by Rasmussen Reports, March 18, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/florida/toplines/toplines_florida_senate_march_18_2010

North Carolina (Rasmussen):

42% Approve
57% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in North Carolina was conducted by Rasmussen Reports, March 22, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/north_carolina/toplines/toplines_2010_north_carolina_senate_march_22_2010

Tennessee (Rasmussen):

36% Approve
62% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Tennessee was conducted by Rasmussen Reports, March 22, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/tennessee/toplines/toplines_tennessee_governor_march_22_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 25, 2010, 12:55:12 AM
North Carolina (PPP):

46% Approve
49% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 878 North Carolina voters from March 12th to 15th. The survey’s margin
of error is +/-3.3%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may
introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_324.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 25, 2010, 01:37:29 AM
California (PPIC):

Adults: 58% Approve, 35% Disapprove
RV: 56% Approve, 39% Disapprove
LV: 52% Approve, 43% Disapprove

PPIC Statewide Survey: Californians and Their Government, March 2010. Includes 2,002 adults, 1,574 registered voters, and 1,102 likely voters. Interviews took place March 9–16, 2010. Margin of error ±2%.

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/other/APR_Obama0310.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on March 25, 2010, 02:55:29 AM

Good to see!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Reaganfan on March 25, 2010, 04:02:22 AM
Based upon the 2010 projections and current approval ratings in the 40% range, if the election were held today, the Republican would win with about 338 electoral votes.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 25, 2010, 04:50:19 AM
More polls from during the HCR debate:

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.

Valid polls, if obsolete. They show President Obama as a one-term President and the Democrats losing both Houses of Congress. These polls and other recent ones are all consistent with Presidential approval around 42%. At that point, just about any Republican could win the Presidency, and it would be wise for President Obama to scrap HCR in favor of tax cuts or even complete exemption for the super-rich. For liberals, this would be a good time to do some soul-searching and either join the vanguard of history, go underground, or emigrate.

For good reason I don't rely upon yesterday's newspaper for the current sports score.  The Big Game has been played. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 25, 2010, 09:04:09 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48%

Disapprove 51% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 32%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, unchanged.

The only really significant movement is in "Strongly Approve."



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Iosif on March 25, 2010, 09:13:12 AM
An 8 point swing in 5 days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on March 25, 2010, 09:26:18 AM
Based upon the 2010 projections and current approval ratings in the 40% range, if the election were held today, the Republican would win with about 338 electoral votes.

No.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 25, 2010, 10:46:49 AM
Corrected:

Based upon the 2010 projections and current week-old and now obsolete approval ratings in the 40% range, if the election were held today a week ago , the Republican would win have won with about 338 electoral votes.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 25, 2010, 10:49:27 AM
I'm back!

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

I still want to know how in hell the Northwest is in Red.

Some recent polls, at Obama's lowest point of approval ever about a week ago, showed Presidential approval under 50% with larger disapproval in Washington and Oregon. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 25, 2010, 11:18:21 AM
Ohio (PPP):

40% Approve
53% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 630 Ohio voters on March 20th and 21st. The margin of error for the survey
is +/-3.9%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce
additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/03/tough-times-for-dems-in-midwest.html

Perhaps by now as obsolete as the weather forecast of the day.  Not a fault of the poll.

Yes, it's wrong. It's impossible for Obama to have net disapproval now. Toss this junk!

I would not be surprised if approval for President Obama is back to about 48% now but such would have been unlikely  on March 21, when Obama's approval was at its lowest,

What do you know!

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Quote
Overall, 48% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. Fifty-one percent (51%) disapprove. The daily Job Approval ratings are based upon daily telephone interviews and reported on a three-day rolling average basis. As a result, today’s update is the first based entirely upon interviews conducted after the House of Representatives passed health care legislation on Sunday.

This is a three-day average, and it is all after the House voting for the HCR bill.

I assume that that means "likely voters", which Rasmussen usually shows.  I am not taking any credit for accuracy of my prediction.

Recent polls such as those that showed Obama support at 40% in Ohio, 39% in Indiana, 43% in Florida, and 42% in North Carolina -- swing states of 2008 -- are probably more like 46%, 45%, 49%, and 48%, respectively (simple calculation -- add 6% for the jump in the polls). Those are Rasmussen polls, so I am comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges. I can also expect some of the recent sub-50% polls in Oregon, Washington, and Wisconsin to be blasted to smithereens. If such is not so, then President Obama has been gaining elsewhere. It is unlikely that the President has 130% support in Vermont or 53% support in Texas.

State approval polls usually lag national tracking polls.

I am not surprised that the the disapproval remains high. FoX News, upon which American right-wingers largely rely upon for news, gave only 23 seconds of time to the President signing the most important piece of legislation in about 45 years. It isn't the Great Society legislation or the 1964 Civil Rights Act, but it is more similar in significance.

I have no asterisks yet for late-March polls, but as you can see I am not tossing any polls yet. Those were valid at the time, and some will be supplanted.


 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 25, 2010, 12:01:50 PM

On Approve (+5), Disapprove (-4), Strongly Disapprove (-2), no.  Add to that one set of numbers looks like a skewed anti-Obama number (A/D 44/56), as was noted at the time, it is not much movement on those three.

Strongly Approved, however, has shown substantial movement.  Total range has been +9 points, and even factoring out the possible skewed sample, it would be a +6 gain. 

Also note that the upswing started a few days prior to Obamacare being passed.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on March 25, 2010, 02:19:14 PM
Obama has gained back his base and that is good news for the democrats in 2010. Of course it all depends on what the definition of "good news" is. I still think they will lose up to 30 seats in the house, and maybe more, but it won't be anything ridiculous like 50-60 seats. If the economy really starts booming and some good jobs numbers come out (like +150-200k jobs at the least), the democrats may be able to contain their losses to just around 20-25. This is not likely though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 25, 2010, 03:30:56 PM
Obama has gained back his base and that is good news for the democrats in 2010. Of course it all depends on what the definition of "good news" is. I still think they will lose up to 30 seats in the house, and maybe more, but it won't be anything ridiculous like 50-60 seats. If the economy really starts booming and some good jobs numbers come out (like +150-200k jobs at the least), the democrats may be able to contain their losses to just around 20-25. This is not likely though.

32% is better than 23%.  (I actually LOLed at your post, though I agree with it.)

There are some problems, however.

That "strongly disapproved" number is still very high.  It has been lower in the last fortnight and looks solid.  Those are people that say, "I hate Obama's guts."  That is still out there, and Obamacare didn't help.  At best, this stopped liberal leakage (I think "hemorrhaging" was too strong.)

Second, there are other issues, notably the economy.  Obamacare has not helped with that, and may easily be charged with only pushing his agenda.

I was looking at 30-35 initially, but now would say a 50% that the House is captured by the GOP.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 25, 2010, 04:21:01 PM
Obama has gained back his base and that is good news for the democrats in 2010. Of course it all depends on what the definition of "good news" is. I still think they will lose up to 30 seats in the house, and maybe more, but it won't be anything ridiculous like 50-60 seats. If the economy really starts booming and some good jobs numbers come out (like +150-200k jobs at the least), the democrats may be able to contain their losses to just around 20-25. This is not likely though.

32% is better than 23%.  (I actually LOLed at your post, though I agree with it.)

There are some problems, however.

That "strongly disapproved" number is still very high.  It has been lower in the last fortnight and looks solid.  Those are people that say, "I hate Obama's guts."  That is still out there, and Obamacare didn't help.  At best, this stopped liberal leakage (I think "hemorrhaging" was too strong.)

Second, there are other issues, notably the economy.  Obamacare has not helped with that, and may easily be charged with only pushing his agenda.

I was looking at 30-35 initially, but now would say a 50% that the House is captured by the GOP.

How big do you figure the Bradley Effect will be this year? 3-5%?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 25, 2010, 04:32:43 PM
Obama has gained back his base and that is good news for the democrats in 2010. Of course it all depends on what the definition of "good news" is. I still think they will lose up to 30 seats in the house, and maybe more, but it won't be anything ridiculous like 50-60 seats. If the economy really starts booming and some good jobs numbers come out (like +150-200k jobs at the least), the democrats may be able to contain their losses to just around 20-25. This is not likely though.

32% is better than 23%.  (I actually LOLed at your post, though I agree with it.)

There are some problems, however.

That "strongly disapproved" number is still very high.  It has been lower in the last fortnight and looks solid.  Those are people that say, "I hate Obama's guts."  That is still out there, and Obamacare didn't help.  At best, this stopped liberal leakage (I think "hemorrhaging" was too strong.)

Second, there are other issues, notably the economy.  Obamacare has not helped with that, and may easily be charged with only pushing his agenda.

I was looking at 30-35 initially, but now would say a 50% that the House is captured by the GOP.

How big do you figure the Bradley Effect will be this year? 3-5%?

Possibly the same one that Nate Silver predicted, since his numbers were at 50% ::)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 25, 2010, 07:10:15 PM
North Dakota -- first asterisk for a state poll associated entirely in the HCR era (March 25).

It's from Rasmussen, so don't complain, conservatives! (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_house_of_representatives_election/north_dakota/election_2010_north_dakota_house_of_representatives)

Rasmussen, 44/55, and a category change:

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.

Sure, it's "only" North Dakota, with only 3 electoral votes, but no Democratic Presidential nominee has won the state since 1964.  Obama lost the state by 9%.

I doubt that we will see cause to remove any asterisk.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on March 25, 2010, 08:22:22 PM
pbrower, when you post links, can you not simply post the URL? Use this code:
Code:
[url=Put URL here]Put state and pollster here[url]

Otherwise, the page becomes wide and unreadable.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 25, 2010, 10:16:56 PM
pbrower, when you post links, can you not simply post the URL? Use this code:
Code:
[url=Put URL here]Put state and pollster here[url]

Otherwise, the page becomes wide and unreadable.

OK. It bears repeating.


North Dakota, Rasmussen (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_house_of_representatives_election/north_dakota/election_2010_north_dakota_house_of_representatives)

44% Approve

55% Disapprove...

President Obama doesn't win either of the Dakotas with fewer than about 400 electoral votes.

   





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on March 25, 2010, 10:40:50 PM
Thanks!

It'd be appreciated if you could also edit the post above mine in the same way, so that this page stays narrow.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 26, 2010, 09:01:36 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 49% +1

Disapprove 51%


"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.

Obamacare probably rallied the base.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 26, 2010, 10:02:56 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 49% +1

Disapprove 51%


"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.

Obamacare probably rallied the base.



Obama would win with that. Add about 3% to the "Approve" and you get a fair estimate of the vote. A reason: many of those who disapprove of him as President will find no viable alternative among Republicans and will either not vote or will vote for a third-party candidate.

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 26, 2010, 01:16:58 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 49% +1

Disapprove 51%


"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.

Obamacare probably rallied the base.



Obama would win with that. Add about 3% to the "Approve" and you get a fair estimate of the vote. A reason: many of those who disapprove of him as President will find no viable alternative among Republicans and will either not vote or will vote for a third-party candidate.

 

I'm just reporting, not predicting the general, which is about 2 1/2 years away.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 26, 2010, 01:18:07 PM
Gallup is bizarre, Approve is -1, Disapprove is +2.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 26, 2010, 01:20:26 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 49% +1

Disapprove 51%


"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.

Obamacare probably rallied the base.



Obama would win with that. Add about 3% to the "Approve" and you get a fair estimate of the vote. A reason: many of those who disapprove of him as President will find no viable alternative among Republicans and will either not vote or will vote for a third-party candidate.

 

I'm just reporting, not predicting the general, which is about 2 1/2 years away.

Sure. Much will happen in the next 31 months and that will decide the 2012 election. I have simply said that 49% approval results in an Obama win at election time.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on March 26, 2010, 02:23:19 PM
Hawaii(Rasmussen) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/hawaii/toplines/toplines_hawaii_governor_march_24_2010)

Approve 77%
Disapprove 23%

NC, TN, ND and FL updated as well.

(
)

30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 26, 2010, 02:30:27 PM
Hawaii(Rasmussen) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/hawaii/toplines/toplines_hawaii_governor_march_24_2010)

Approve 77%
Disapprove 23%

NC, TN, ND and FL updated as well.

(
)

30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Oh wow, somewhere actually higher than those who voted for him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on March 26, 2010, 02:50:24 PM
Hawaii(Rasmussen) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/hawaii/toplines/toplines_hawaii_governor_march_24_2010)

Approve 77%
Disapprove 23%

NC, TN, ND and FL updated as well.

(
)

30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Oh wow, somewhere actually higher than those who voted for him.
It's the "Age Wave" that's doing it, along with HCR. By the end of next week, Obama's approval ratings will be around 60%, and above 50% in every state except Oklahoma and Alabama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on March 26, 2010, 03:00:51 PM
Hawaii(Rasmussen) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/hawaii/toplines/toplines_hawaii_governor_march_24_2010)

Approve 77%
Disapprove 23%

NC, TN, ND and FL updated as well.

(
)

30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

A bit strange that SC's approval ratings are higher than NC.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on March 26, 2010, 03:10:50 PM
Hawaii(Rasmussen) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/hawaii/toplines/toplines_hawaii_governor_march_24_2010)

Approve 77%
Disapprove 23%



What the hell happened to Hawaii? It was relatively close in 2004, and now Obama has sky high approval ratings there, and the health care plan also gets a 66\26 approval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: MArepublican on March 26, 2010, 03:11:17 PM
Hawaii(Rasmussen) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/hawaii/toplines/toplines_hawaii_governor_march_24_2010)

Approve 77%
Disapprove 23%

NC, TN, ND and FL updated as well.

(
)

30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

A bit strange that SC's approval ratings are higher than NC.
There is no way they are he included a horrible poll of South Carolina.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ScottM on March 26, 2010, 03:14:06 PM
Hawaii(Rasmussen) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/hawaii/toplines/toplines_hawaii_governor_march_24_2010)

Approve 77%
Disapprove 23%



What the hell happened to Hawaii? It was relatively close in 2004, and now Obama has sky high approval ratings there, and the health care plan also gets a 66\26 approval.

A couple of things, I think. John Kerry wasn't a particularly strong candidate, imho, and Obama is originally from Hawaii.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 26, 2010, 04:11:17 PM
Hawaii(Rasmussen) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/hawaii/toplines/toplines_hawaii_governor_march_24_2010)

Approve 77%
Disapprove 23%



What the hell happened to Hawaii? It was relatively close in 2004, and now Obama has sky high approval ratings there, and the health care plan also gets a 66\26 approval.

A couple of things, I think. John Kerry wasn't a particularly strong candidate, imho, and Obama is originally from Hawaii.
It's a Freedom State.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on March 26, 2010, 04:15:56 PM
Hawaii(Rasmussen) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/hawaii/toplines/toplines_hawaii_governor_march_24_2010)

Approve 77%
Disapprove 23%



What the hell happened to Hawaii? It was relatively close in 2004, and now Obama has sky high approval ratings there, and the health care plan also gets a 66\26 approval.

A couple of things, I think. John Kerry wasn't a particularly strong candidate, imho, and Obama is originally from Hawaii.
It's a Freedom Horrible, Slave Mentality State.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: yougo1000 on March 26, 2010, 04:19:30 PM
Gallup is bizarre, Approve is -1, Disapprove is +2.

It is proably adding to the disapproval from undecided


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 26, 2010, 04:20:03 PM
Hawaii(Rasmussen) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/hawaii/toplines/toplines_hawaii_governor_march_24_2010)

Approve 77%
Disapprove 23%



What the hell happened to Hawaii? It was relatively close in 2004, and now Obama has sky high approval ratings there, and the health care plan also gets a 66\26 approval.

A couple of things, I think. John Kerry wasn't a particularly strong candidate, imho, and Obama is originally from Hawaii.
It's a Freedom Horrible, Slave Mentality State.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on March 26, 2010, 04:22:09 PM
Hawaii(Rasmussen) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/hawaii/toplines/toplines_hawaii_governor_march_24_2010)

Approve 77%
Disapprove 23%



What the hell happened to Hawaii? It was relatively close in 2004, and now Obama has sky high approval ratings there, and the health care plan also gets a 66\26 approval.

A couple of things, I think. John Kerry wasn't a particularly strong candidate, imho, and Obama is originally from Hawaii.
It's a Freedom Horrible, Slave Mentality State.
Agreed.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 26, 2010, 04:57:37 PM
Hawaii, first time in a long time. 

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.

Again, it's "only" Hawaii.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 26, 2010, 11:57:32 PM
Hawaii(Rasmussen) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/hawaii/toplines/toplines_hawaii_governor_march_24_2010)

Approve 77%
Disapprove 23%



What the hell happened to Hawaii? It was relatively close in 2004, and now Obama has sky high approval ratings there, and the health care plan also gets a 66\26 approval.

They finally believe he was born there?  ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 27, 2010, 12:01:44 AM
Gallup is bizarre, Approve is -1, Disapprove is +2.

It is proably adding to the disapproval from undecided

His "approval" dropped as well.  I have no idea what has happened to Gallup.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on March 27, 2010, 12:10:22 AM
Hawaii(Rasmussen) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/hawaii/toplines/toplines_hawaii_governor_march_24_2010)

Approve 77%
Disapprove 23%



What the hell happened to Hawaii? It was relatively close in 2004, and now Obama has sky high approval ratings there, and the health care plan also gets a 66\26 approval.

Hawai'i is intensely pro-incumbent, especially among the Asian/Pacific Islander populations.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on March 27, 2010, 02:44:59 AM
Hawaii(Rasmussen) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/hawaii/toplines/toplines_hawaii_governor_march_24_2010)

Approve 77%
Disapprove 23%



What the hell happened to Hawaii? It was relatively close in 2004, and now Obama has sky high approval ratings there, and the health care plan also gets a 66\26 approval.

Hawai'i is intensely pro-incumbent, especially among the Asian/Pacific Islander populations.

And that's one of his two home states.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 27, 2010, 10:36:26 AM
For what it's worth (it is a favorability poll from Research2000 through the Daily Kos ) :

Daily Kos Weekly State of the Nation Poll
Research 2000, Adults MoE 2.8%, Mar 22, 2010 - Mar 25, 2010 (last week's results in parentheses)

                            FAVORABLE   UNFAVORABLE   DON'T KNOW   NET CHANGE
PRESIDENT OBAMA     56 (53)                39 (41)         5 (6)                5

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklytrends


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 27, 2010, 10:39:30 AM
For what it's worth (it is a favorability poll from Research2000 through the Daily Kos ) :

Daily Kos Weekly State of the Nation Poll
Research 2000, Adults MoE 2.8%, Mar 22, 2010 - Mar 25, 2010 (last week's results in parentheses)

                            FAVORABLE   UNFAVORABLE   DON'T KNOW   NET CHANGE
PRESIDENT OBAMA     56 (53)                39 (41)         5 (6)                5

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklytrends

It's gonna be funny when every blue avatar here shoots you down for posting that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 27, 2010, 10:59:44 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47% -2

Disapprove 53% +2


"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +2.

The one thing for sure that Obamacare did was was rally Obama's base; the "strongly approve" numbers arguably jumped 5-10 points.  This might have increased his overall "approve" numbers, at least short term, by 2-5 point.

It does not look, other than an ephemeral bump, to have moved Obama's disapproval numbers in either direction.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: MArepublican on March 27, 2010, 03:20:24 PM
Gallup
Approval 48 (-2)
Disapproval 45 (+1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 27, 2010, 03:41:37 PM
Gallup
Approval 48 (-2)
Disapproval 45 (+1)

Okay, so according to Gallup, Obama is in a decline, probably a tailspin, that will result 150 Democrats losing their House seats, a 15 seat loss in the Senate.  Obama losing re-election, and then being deported, when they find his birth certificate in Estonia!

Yes, I'm being sarcastic, but come on.  The only thing there that looks normal is a relatively stable disapproval rate (42%-45%).

If this keeps up, I'm going back to looking at Zogby.  ::)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 27, 2010, 07:57:59 PM
Gallup
Approval 48 (-2)
Disapproval 45 (+1)

This is the latest daily poll (March 25), not to be confused with the latest weekly poll:


Quote
March 25, 2010
Obama Job Approval at 51% After Healthcare Vote
Slightly improved compared to his recent ratings
by Jeffrey M. Jones

PRINCETON, NJ -- President Barack Obama's job approval stands at 51% after the passage of landmark healthcare legislation. That is slightly better than, though not fundamentally changed from, his ratings for most of this month.

Barack Obama Job Approval Ratings, March 2010

These results are based on Gallup Daily tracking from March 22-24, the first measure conducted entirely after the House passed the healthcare reform bill on Sunday night. The passage of the legislation itself met with an initially positive public reaction.

Obama's approval rating has hovered around 50% since November, and was precisely 50% in the last three days of Gallup polling before the vote took place. However, in recent weeks Obama has been consistently below the majority approval level and his ratings were generally the lowest of his presidency. That includes term-low 48% weekly average approval ratings each of the last two weeks, and several 46% ratings in Gallup Daily three-day rolling averages, the most recent coming in March 15-17 polling.

In the latest three-day rolling average, 83% of Democrats, 47% of independents, and 14% of Republicans approve of the job Obama is doing as president. Over the course of the prior week (March 15-21), the president averaged 81% approval among Democrats, 43% from independents, and 13% from Republicans. Thus, it appears all three groups may be marginally more positive about Obama since health reform passed, with a proportionately greater increase among independents.

Bottom Line

The passage of healthcare reform in the House, a major victory for the Obama administration, has not yet had an overwhelmingly positive impact on Obama's approval rating. That may be in part because of the divisiveness over the healthcare reform legislation, which struggled to gain majority public support throughout the process. It appears, though, that the healthcare victory did provide enough momentum to put Obama back above the majority approval level for the time being.

Survey Methods

Results are based on telephone interviews with a random sample of 1,544 national adults, aged 18 and older, conducted March 22-24, 2010. For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±4 percentage points.

Interviews are conducted with respondents on land-line telephones and cellular phones.

In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.

Any poll before the HCR vote is now obsolete. I now think that the North Dakota poll (44%) is more reliable than the most recent polls for Indiana (39%), North Carolina (42%), and Florida (43%) -- all by Rasmussen. The difference is one week, and a week makes a huge difference. I would expect Indiana, North Carolina, and Florida to be about 2%, 3%, and 4% less Democratic than the US on a whole and North Dakota to be about 10% less Democratic than the United States as a whole.

So North Dakota may be about 7% less Democratic than the United States this week. OK -- North Dakota may have been out of play for Orwellian attack ads on HCR, and the other states were arenas for attack ads (my district in Michigan was, and my Congressional Representative was not going to vote NO). That's not much of an outlier. But Indiana 12% less,  North Carolina  9%, and Florida 8% less Democratic? No way!

We have had only two polls since the passage of HCR legislation, one in a State that Obama has no reasonable chance of losing (Hawaii) and one in a State that he has practically no chance of losing (North Dakota). I would rather see polls for States more likely to make a difference in 2010 -- like Colorado, Ohio, and Virginia -- but that's not what we have now.     


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 27, 2010, 08:26:58 PM
The Gallup poll was the daily, showing a six point shift, overall, for the last two days.

The only thing "obsolete" is the belief that Obamacare would greatly help boost Obama's overall approval numbers.  It does look like it it did help rally his base, on Rasmussen.  It did not show a major boost in the overall approve/disapprove numbers.  Gallup is showing no major boost and no real change in disapproval.  Take the Gallup numbers for what you will, but they as heck are not obsolete.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 28, 2010, 12:31:49 AM
New Mexico (Rasmussen):

54% Approve
46% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in New Mexico was conducted by Rasmussen Reports, March 24, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/new_mexico/toplines/toplines_new_mexico_governor_march_24_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 28, 2010, 06:39:15 AM
New Mexico (Rasmussen):

54% Approve
46% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in New Mexico was conducted by Rasmussen Reports, March 24, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/new_mexico/toplines/toplines_new_mexico_governor_march_24_2010

Not bad. Not much down from the actual 2008 numbers. It was +2 Obama in 2008, now it's +5 according to Rasmussen.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 28, 2010, 08:31:01 AM
New Mexico, a state that the Democrats haven't lost in a win since 1976:

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.

Far more significant as a statewide poll than the either of those in  Hawaii or North Dakota. It's almost a ten-pint swing from February, and likely a full ten from mid-March.
Unless activity in statewide polling slows, I expect a lot of states in white or sand to go green, and those in pale shades of green to go to deeper green.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 28, 2010, 11:29:55 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47%

Disapprove 53%

(Both unchanged)


"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, +1.

The "Strongly Approve" number is -4 of the post Obamacare high, but still within the MOE, and still shows a bounce from the 23%-26% numbers prior to that.  "Strongly Disapprove," while still within the MOE, is tied for the highest number ever.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 28, 2010, 11:42:51 AM
The latest from Polling Report (http://www.pollingreport.com/obama_job.htm)

Washington Post


    Approve      Disapprove    Approve
                                                         minus         
          %                   %          Disapprove         
 
            53                  43               10         

3/23-26/10


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on March 28, 2010, 12:15:48 PM
Gallup's latest today

46% approve
46% disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on March 28, 2010, 01:07:27 PM
Tender Branson, that goes for you too. Don't post links that make the page horrendously wide.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 28, 2010, 02:47:29 PM
Gallup's latest today

46% approve
46% disapprove

It could be a really bad sample, or Gallup is just goofy. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on March 28, 2010, 02:54:45 PM
Tender Branson, that goes for you too. Don't post links that make the page horrendously wide.

It doesn't show up wide if you use FireFox.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 28, 2010, 03:12:04 PM
Tender Branson, that goes for you too. Don't post links that make the page horrendously wide.

It doesn't show up wide if you use FireFox.

I'm on FireFox and he's right.  It is two lines, the second one beginning "/new_mexico."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on March 28, 2010, 03:18:32 PM
Tender Branson, that goes for you too. Don't post links that make the page horrendously wide.

It doesn't show up wide if you use FireFox.

Well, yeah, I know, but that doesn't change my point.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 28, 2010, 05:18:44 PM
Tender Branson, that goes for you too. Don't post links that make the page horrendously wide.

It doesn't show up wide if you use FireFox.

Well, yeah, I know, but that doesn't change my point.

How can someone tell it's "too long" if it isn't on their screen?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lunar on March 28, 2010, 05:22:19 PM
um, it's REALLY easy to tell what a really long link is.

If it's questionable, all you have to do is go"
Code:
[url=reallyLongLinkButI'mNotSureIfIt'sTooLongOfALinkMaybeIWillThinkAboutIt]SOURCE[/url]

If it's a grey zone area, why risk screw up everyone else's viewing experience?



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 28, 2010, 05:25:16 PM
um, it's REALLY easy to tell what a really long link is.

If it's questionable, all you have to do is go"
Code:
[url=reallyLongLinkButI'mNotSureIfIt'sTooLongOfALinkMaybeIWillThinkAboutIt]SOURCE[/url]

If it's a grey zone area, why risk screw up everyone else's viewing experience?



Okay, but that grey zone is some sort of measure.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lunar on March 28, 2010, 05:29:13 PM
It's not scientific dude.  I'm sure you could research the exact amount of characters it takes to screw up the tables for 51% of forum members here, but are people going to count characters in their links?  

How about, if it's a long link, you use the URL code to shorten it so people's tables don't potentially get ruined?  If it's borderline, it's not a big deal either way because the worst case scenario is that you only screw up the tables slightly.  

Why are you trying to overthink this?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lunar on March 28, 2010, 05:36:08 PM
okay, here's a compromise:

Rasmussen links ALWAYS destroy the tables.  Shorten them. 

Ignore everything else.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 28, 2010, 06:30:24 PM
It's not scientific dude.  I'm sure you could research the exact amount of characters it takes to screw up the tables for 51% of forum members here, but are people going to count characters in their links?  

How about, if it's a long link, you use the URL code to shorten it so people's tables don't POTENTIALLY get ruined.  If you have no concept of the difference between a long link and a short link in your own mind, I'm not sure what I can do for you.  If it's borderline, it's not a big deal either way because the worst case scenario is that you only screw up the tables slightly.  

There is NO drawback to shortening your link, there's no negative consequences or blowback, I don't see why some sort of decision calculus needs to exist here, sheesh.

Why are you trying to overthink this?

I'm not trying "overthink" this.  Those of us who use Firefox don't have the problem, so we can't know.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lunar on March 28, 2010, 06:52:39 PM
Rasmussen = too long.

That's all you gotta know in most cases.  

Rasmussen links are the only ones I've had to edit in the forum I moderate.


edit: I didn't really realize that this was so defined by browsers, I thought it was defined by screen resolution and window size (and perhaps the forum's code).  Perhaps I was way too antagonistic, and I'm sorry.  I love Chrome and Chrome is my baby, but when I used the same window in Firefox, it didn't have its tables screwed up.

But even in Firefox, the URL runs 3-4 lines long, it's pretty obviously a long URL.  Like, it's not hard to understand that when it runs the second and third line for you, for the rest of everyone else, it just pushes the tables rightward and screws up the entire readability of the page, right?  It's not like FireFox converts the URL into magic pixie dust.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 28, 2010, 10:06:24 PM
Lunar, I think your comments are valid, but please keep in mind that some of us, like me, literally cannot see the problem.  I understand that you are not able to look over my shoulder and see my screen.  :)   That is why I was asking you explain and give some parameters.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 29, 2010, 10:10:52 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47%

Disapprove 52% -1




"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, unchanged.

It looks like Obamacare did rally the base, but the "Strongly Disapproved" is still tied for a record high.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 29, 2010, 12:43:56 PM
Quote
Barack Obama took 63% of the vote in Rhode Island in the 2008 election. Sixty-one percent (61%) of the state’s voters currently approve of the job he is doing as president, with 42% who Strongly Approve. Thirty-nine percent (39%) disapprove of his performance, including 30% who Strongly Disapprove. Obama earns a much higher job approval rating in Rhode Island than he has nationally in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll.

Rhode Island, 61-39 (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/rhode_island/election_2010_rhode_island_governor)

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.

No surprise, and hard to see.

New Mexico is the only state polled that was interesting.

What I'd like to see polled:

Fringe of Republican contention: IA, MN, NH, PA, WI (NM has been polled and was in this category)

Genuine swing states: CO, FL, OH, VA

Fringe of Democratic contention: AZ, GA, IN, MO, MT, NC, NE-02

Can't figure them out: NV, SC, TN

Long time, no poll: ME, MS, WV

Only due to size: CA, NY, TX

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 29, 2010, 02:37:02 PM
Gallup is less goofy today:

48%  Approve (+2)

46% Disapprove (u)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 29, 2010, 03:23:58 PM
Daily Kos/Research 2000 Wisconsin Poll (http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2010/3/24/WI/466)

Daily Kos/Research 2000 Wisconsin Poll
Research 2000, MoE 4%, Mar 22, 2010 - Mar 24, 2010
FAVORABLE/UNFAVORABLE
     VERY FAV    FAV    UNFAV    VERY UNFAV    NO OPINION

                        VF     F      U     VU    DK

FEINGOLD   16   37   23   18   6
THOMPSON   19   34   24   18   5
WALL           15   22   17   15   31
WESTLAKE   14   17   15   15   39
KOHL           17   38   21   17   7
DOYLE           15   29   26   24   6
OBAMA           24   30   21   20   5

With the rationale that passage of the HCR legislation has ensured that people who dislike his policies or consider him inadequate still like him, I propose that we now consider favorability  practically identical to approval. It's hard to see how people can have a divide between liking him and thinking him "effective with good results".

Wisconsin would go for the Republican nominee if the Republican won about 52% of the vote; it barely went for Kerry in 2004.   

With the favorability poll just shown we have this:


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but without it we have this:

(
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The same key applies to both maps.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: xavier110 on March 29, 2010, 03:29:18 PM
LMAO.............


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 29, 2010, 08:39:42 PM
As North Dakota goes, so does... South Dakota (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_house_of_representatives_election/south_dakota/election_2010_south_dakota_house_of_representatives).


43% approve
55% disapprove.

Rasmussen, "Likely Voters, March 29."


With the favorability poll just shown for Wisconsin we have this:


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but without it we have this:

(
)

The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 30, 2010, 12:32:25 AM
Please don`t add favorability polls to the map.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 30, 2010, 01:05:34 AM
Missouri (PPP):

43% Approve
52% Disapprove

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/03/missouri-poll-preview.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 30, 2010, 01:14:42 AM
Please don`t add favorability polls to the map.

That's why I am showing two maps. I suspect that favorability and approval are converging. It's hard to imagine that people can now separate the Presidential image from Presidential achievements (or their antitheses) anymore.  Perhaps by July things will settle down so that favorability and approval will diverge.  We will see more polls that show relevance, and we may start seeing a clear difference between "approval" and "favorability" again.

In early 2009 people may have been seeing "favorability" as such issues as :

Does he seem "Presidential"?

Is he likable?

Do you trust him to not do something crooked?

It's also possible that favorability and approval are still apples and oranges. When we see conflicts between the two, I will have both. So far the one "favorability" poll seems to make sense. Wisconsin isn't far from New Mexico in its partisan identity, and it is much more "D" than North Dakota or South Dakota and much less "D" than Hawaii.

Show me a poll that shows the state most similar to Wisconsin in its politics -- let us say Minnesota, maybe Oregon or Washington -- gives poll results very different from Wisconsin, and I will take off the "mixed favorability/approval" map. Polls from early March and mid-March are now terribly obsolete.    


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 30, 2010, 01:20:35 AM
Missouri, roughly as it was in December and early March.

Mixed approval and favorability (the latter Wisconsin only):

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Approval only:

(
)

The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 30, 2010, 08:35:50 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47%

Disapprove 53% +1


"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, unchanged.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on March 30, 2010, 09:26:24 AM
USA Today/Gallup (3/26-3/28, 1033 Adults - NOT THE TRACKING POLL)
47% Approve
50% Disapprove

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-03-29-health-poll_N.htm

CNN/Opinion Research (3/25-3/28, 935 RV)
51% Approve
48% Disapprove

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/03/29/rel6b.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on March 30, 2010, 01:02:38 PM
USA Today/Gallup (3/26-3/28, 1033 Adults - NOT THE TRACKING POLL)
47% Approve
50% Disapprove

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-03-29-health-poll_N.htm

CNN/Opinion Research (3/25-3/28, 935 RV)
51% Approve
48% Disapprove

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/03/29/rel6b.pdf


For the same period, gallup gives different results... lol. Gallup is not better than zogby.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 30, 2010, 03:29:03 PM

Gallup is back to where it started

48%  Approve (u)

44% Disapprove (-2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 30, 2010, 05:04:19 PM
Blank map apparently applicable to 2012:


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Ignoring all polls from before March 22, 2010 we have only six data points. Can we interpret statewide polls, six of approval and one of favorability. Hawaii is off the chart for approval and Rhode Island is nearly so; the Dakotas and Missouri are in the lower-middle 40s in approval, New Mexico is in the lower fifties for approval. Wisconsin just showed 54% favorability, so even if one knocks that one down three points, it is still in the low fifties.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%
white                        too close to call
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 

Note: colors for Alabama, Florida, and Georgia exist only to show colors not otherwise used.

Now how do we translate that into votes?

It's obvious that President Obama would win Hawaii and Rhode Island by gigantic margins. The difference between 55% of the vote and 80% of the vote is trivial in the winner-take-all system that we have. They are deep red on this scheme.

44% approval gives roughly a 50% chance of winning, suggesting about 49% of the vote. If you think that one needs 50% with which to win, remember that 49% can easily be the plurality when there is even a small number of third-party votes.  44% for North Dakota suggests "too close to call" (white) , so South Dakota and Missouri go into the category "barely R"  (light blue).

Approval does not translate directly into voting percentage for an incumbent.  People who approve of the incumbent President will vote,and so will those who disapprove of the President but approve of the challenger, but those who disapprove of both the incumbent and the challenger may

(1) not vote

(2) vote for a third-party or independent alternative if one exists

(3) vote for the incumbent if they disapprove of the  challenger more

(4) vote for the Party and not the candidate

.................

(1) reduces the overall vote and increases the percentage for the incumbent.

(2) "wastes" votes without increasing percentages for anyone. Look at 1992 for an exaggeration.

(3) increases the vote for the incumbent if the challenger is unusually weak, or hurts the incumbent if he has severe weaknesses due to substandard performance (examples: Hoover, Carter).

(4) is a complete wash.

For approval above 50%, one can generally figure that the raw vote will be up by 3%, so I figure that Obama would win New Mexico about 57-43, making it "deep red" as befit Leip's pattern. But the percentage of vote involving favorability is likely to be much the same. I figure that with Wisconsin, 54% approval translates to a 54% vote, or roughly an 8% margin.

To show what pink, medium blue, and deep blue look like I will show them for Florida, Georgia, and Alabama, respectively -- this time only.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RosettaStoned on March 30, 2010, 05:24:58 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47%

Disapprove 53% +1


"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, unchanged.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -1.



Its just going to get worse for Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on March 30, 2010, 05:55:13 PM
USA Today/Gallup (3/26-3/28, 1033 Adults - NOT THE TRACKING POLL)
47% Approve
50% Disapprove

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-03-29-health-poll_N.htm

CNN/Opinion Research (3/25-3/28, 935 RV)
51% Approve
48% Disapprove

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/03/29/rel6b.pdf


For the same period, gallup gives different results... lol. Gallup is not better than zogby.

It's called MOE.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 30, 2010, 06:15:47 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47%

Disapprove 53% +1


"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, unchanged.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -1.



Its just going to get worse for Obama.

Oh wow, you can see the future? Can you tell me next week's lottery numbers?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RosettaStoned on March 30, 2010, 06:25:17 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47%

Disapprove 53% +1


"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, unchanged.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -1.



Its just going to get worse for Obama.

Oh wow, you can see the future? Can you tell me next week's lottery numbers?

Go ahead and keep thinking the economy is not going to COLLAPSE. Go ahead with your bad self. We shall see.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 30, 2010, 08:37:29 PM
Basically, Obama's numbers did not greatly increase after Obamacare was passed.  It is not so much that they may get worse.  It is that they did not get very much better.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 31, 2010, 05:21:34 AM
Basically, Obama's numbers did not greatly increase after Obamacare was passed.  It is not so much that they may get worse.  It is that they did not get very much better.

Yes, but the bleeding stopped. The ugly propaganda undermining his Presidency came to an end after it became more costly than relevant. 

As the future President showed in 2008, one can win a close election by working the margins, putting resources where they can do one's overall campaign the most good.  That election would have been much closer had it not been for the meltdown of the financial system.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on March 31, 2010, 05:51:42 AM
USA Today/Gallup (3/26-3/28, 1033 Adults - NOT THE TRACKING POLL)
47% Approve
50% Disapprove

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-03-29-health-poll_N.htm

CNN/Opinion Research (3/25-3/28, 935 RV)
51% Approve
48% Disapprove

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/03/29/rel6b.pdf


For the same period, gallup gives different results... lol. Gallup is not better than zogby.

It's called MOE.

lol


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on March 31, 2010, 07:48:45 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47%

Disapprove 53% +1


"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, unchanged.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -1.



Its just going to get worse for Obama.

Oh wow, you can see the future? Can you tell me next week's lottery numbers?

Go ahead and keep thinking the economy is not going to COLLAPSE. Go ahead with your bad self. We shall see.

It already did just prior to his taking office. Now we're in recovery. The only question is whether jobs will follow quick enough for the Democrats to retain the House in November.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 31, 2010, 09:05:47 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% +1

Disapprove 51% -2




"Strongly Approve" is at 33%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -2.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 31, 2010, 09:10:59 AM
Basically, Obama's numbers did not greatly increase after Obamacare was passed.  It is not so much that they may get worse.  It is that they did not get very much better.

Yes, but the bleeding stopped. The ugly propaganda undermining his Presidency came to an end after it became more costly than relevant. 

As the future President showed in 2008, one can win a close election by working the margins, putting resources where they can do one's overall campaign the most good.  That election would have been much closer had it not been for the meltdown of the financial system.

I've indicated that Obamacare rallied the base, and Obama's lows are no longer record numbers.  Obamacare still remains very unpopular.

Obama however said, in effect, if it passed, there would be a turnaround.  That has not happened.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RosettaStoned on March 31, 2010, 12:20:01 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47%

Disapprove 53% +1


"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, unchanged.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -1.



Its just going to get worse for Obama.

Oh wow, you can see the future? Can you tell me next week's lottery numbers?

Go ahead and keep thinking the economy is not going to COLLAPSE. Go ahead with your bad self. We shall see.

It already did just prior to his taking office. Now we're in recovery. The only question is whether jobs will follow quick enough for the Democrats to retain the House in November.

What makes you think it won't happen again?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: xavier110 on March 31, 2010, 12:22:07 PM
Gallup
50% (+2)
43% (-1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 31, 2010, 01:53:18 PM

Gallup approaches normal (for Gallup).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 31, 2010, 03:35:16 PM
Idaho, one day after the HCR vote in the House (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/idaho/election_2010_idaho_senate)

Approval 26%
DISAPPROVAL 70%

If that were a national figure, it would be wise for the President to seek political asylum quickly, for that is the level of political rejection at which military coups take place.

But it is Idaho, with four electoral votes, so there's no cause for alarm.

Mixed approval and favorability (the latter Wisconsin only):

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Approval only:

(
)

The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.


Ignoring all polls from before March 22, 2010 we have only six seven data points. Can we interpret statewide polls, six of approval and one of favorability. Hawaii is off the chart for approval and Rhode Island is nearly so; the Dakotas and Missouri are in the lower-middle 40s in approval, New Mexico is in the lower fifties for approval. Wisconsin just showed 54% favorability, so even if one knocks that one down three points, it is still in the low fifties. The new one is Idaho, off the chart for disapproval of the President. President Obama would be lucky to get 30% of the vote in Idaho.  


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%
white                        too close to call
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RosettaStoned on March 31, 2010, 05:22:33 PM
Well, of course. Its Idaho.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 31, 2010, 05:53:00 PM

Right. Most of America doesn't rely upon farming, ranching, logging, and mining. Idaho has no giant cities. Few minorities?

Sarah Palin country, her "Real America" to a tee.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on March 31, 2010, 05:57:53 PM
Pbrower, I know facts are not your strong suit, but Obama got 36% in Idaho in 2008. So your comment that he would be lucky to get 30% is just absurd, not like that's any different than most of the stuff you post anyway.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on March 31, 2010, 06:00:49 PM

Right. Most of America doesn't rely upon farming, ranching, logging, and mining. Idaho has no giant cities. Few minorities?

Sarah Palin country, her "Real America" to a tee.

I question why you would have to throw something in about minorities in there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 31, 2010, 06:13:08 PM

Right. Most of America doesn't rely upon farming, ranching, logging, and mining. Idaho has no giant cities. Few minorities?

Sarah Palin country, her "Real America" to a tee.

I question why you would have to throw something in about minorities in there.

Most nonwhite citizens don't vote Republican?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 31, 2010, 07:03:33 PM

Right. Most of America doesn't rely upon farming, ranching, logging, and mining. Idaho has no giant cities. Few minorities?

Sarah Palin country, her "Real America" to a tee.

I question why you would have to throw something in about minorities in there.

Because it makes the difference between Idaho, a sure state for Republicans, and Colorado, a genuine swing state.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on March 31, 2010, 07:06:48 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47%

Disapprove 53% +1


"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, unchanged.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -1.



Its just going to get worse for Obama.

Oh wow, you can see the future? Can you tell me next week's lottery numbers?

Go ahead and keep thinking the economy is not going to COLLAPSE. Go ahead with your bad self. We shall see.

It already did just prior to his taking office. Now we're in recovery. The only question is whether jobs will follow quick enough for the Democrats to retain the House in November.

What makes you think it won't happen again?

Because since the 20's Democratic presidents have universally had higher rates of job growth than every Republican president. Even Carter was better than Eisenhower in this regard. Also, I find no reason grounded in reality to buy into the right wing chicken littles who instinctively believe that the moderate improvement on the social safety net and deficit cutting measuer that health care reform entails is going to destroy the American economy.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on March 31, 2010, 07:56:57 PM

Right. Most of America doesn't rely upon farming, ranching, logging, and mining. Idaho has no giant cities. Few minorities?

Sarah Palin country, her "Real America" to a tee.

I question why you would have to throw something in about minorities in there.

Because it makes the difference between Idaho, a sure state for Republicans, and Colorado, a genuine swing state.

Right, but you made reference to 'Real America.'


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on March 31, 2010, 09:52:04 PM
I'm actually working on an approval release myself right now (in addition with state polling stuff).

However, I work on spreadsheet, not maps, so don't expect anything fancy for me.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 31, 2010, 11:08:41 PM

Right. Most of America doesn't rely upon farming, ranching, logging, and mining. Idaho has no giant cities. Few minorities?

Sarah Palin country, her "Real America" to a tee.

I question why you would have to throw something in about minorities in there.

Because it makes the difference between Idaho, a sure state for Republicans, and Colorado, a genuine swing state.

Right, but you made reference to 'Real America.'

For her "Real America" seemed to have meant "rural America" and "small-town America" as opposed to urban and suburban America. She appeared in places like rural Ohio and praised "the Real Ohio", meaning in essence places without traffic jams. The problem with that divide is that most Americans live in urban and suburban America, where government services are costly. So if you use Ohio, most of the land is farmland, but most of the people live in small areas within the state -- greater Cleveland, Akron, Toledo, Columbus, Dayton, Cincinnati....

If you think that it is merely a regional divide, then think again.  Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Austin, El Paso, New Orleans, Memphis, Louisville, Nashville, and Birmingham (Alabama) don't count as the "Real America", either. 

What she thought "the Real America" seemed to vote for her. The not-so-real America voted against her.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on April 01, 2010, 12:20:19 AM

Right. Most of America doesn't rely upon farming, ranching, logging, and mining. Idaho has no giant cities. Few minorities?

Sarah Palin country, her "Real America" to a tee.

I question why you would have to throw something in about minorities in there.

Because it makes the difference between Idaho, a sure state for Republicans, and Colorado, a genuine swing state.

Right, but you made reference to 'Real America.'

For her "Real America" seemed to have meant "rural America" and "small-town America" as opposed to urban and suburban America. She appeared in places like rural Ohio and praised "the Real Ohio", meaning in essence places without traffic jams. The problem with that divide is that most Americans live in urban and suburban America, where government services are costly. So if you use Ohio, most of the land is farmland, but most of the people live in small areas within the state -- greater Cleveland, Akron, Toledo, Columbus, Dayton, Cincinnati....

If you think that it is merely a regional divide, then think again.  Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Austin, El Paso, New Orleans, Memphis, Louisville, Nashville, and Birmingham (Alabama) don't count as the "Real America", either. 

What she thought "the Real America" seemed to vote for her. The not-so-real America voted against her.

That's not what I was talking about.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 01, 2010, 12:45:41 AM
Alabama (PPP):

42% Approve
55% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 1,270 Alabama voters from March 27th to 29th. The margin of error for
the survey is +/-2.8%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting,
may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_AL_331.pdf

New York (Rasmussen):

54% Approve
46% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in New York was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 29, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/new_york/toplines/toplines_new_york_governor_march_29_2010)

Ohio (Quinnipiac):

47% Approve
48% Disapprove

From March 23 - 29, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,526 registered Ohio voters, with a margin of error of +/- 2.5 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1322.xml?ReleaseID=1440

Seattle-Tacoma (SurveyUSA):

56% Approve
38% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=cdbe826a-14ce-4b24-9175-5557c245f084


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: xavier110 on April 01, 2010, 12:56:04 AM
Alabama (PPP):

42% Approve
55% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 1,270 Alabama voters from March 27th to 29th. The margin of error for
the survey is +/-2.8%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting,
may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_AL_331.pdf

New York (Rasmussen):

54% Approve
46% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in New York was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 29, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/new_york/toplines/toplines_new_york_governor_march_29_2010)



LOL


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 01, 2010, 09:17:10 AM
I checked the link and didn't see the 42/57 split on Alabama. I know what day it is! Scott Rasmussen, so far as I can tell, does not play April Fools' Day jokes with polling, and he gives a 36-61 split for Arkansas. (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arkansas/election_2010_arkansas_senate)

New York and Ohio also check in:

Mixed approval and favorability (the latter Wisconsin only):

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Approval only:

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)

The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.


Ignoring all polls from before March 22, 2010 we now have only seven data ten data points. Can we interpret statewide polls, six of approval and one of favorability. Hawaii is off the chart for approval and Rhode Island is nearly so; the Dakotas and Missouri are in the lower-middle 40s in approval, New Mexico and New York are in the lower fifties for approval. Wisconsin just showed 54% favorability, so even if one knocks that one down three points, it is still in the low fifties. The new one is Idaho, off the chart for disapproval of the President suggests that President Obama would be lucky to get 30% of the vote there. Ohio looks like it would be a bare win for the President, and Arkansas is an unmitigated disaster for him.




(The one for Alabama would be medium-blue if I accepted it).

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  43
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  10
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  18
white                        too close to call  3
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  14
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   0
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 10  


The 54% approval in New York translates to about a 56% vote; the 48% approval in Ohio is good enough for a bare win of the state -- probably 50-52%. 36% approval in Arkansas suggests that he could at most get about 40% of the vote there.

It's beginning to look much like November 2008 again with Missouri, New Mexico, and Ohio  where they were then.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 01, 2010, 09:27:01 AM


Seattle-Tacoma (SurveyUSA):

56% Approve
38% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=cdbe826a-14ce-4b24-9175-5557c245f084

What was the 2008 margin?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 01, 2010, 12:25:36 PM
Rasmussen has no poll involving the President in Ohio, but it does have the Governor's race tightening. Quinnipiac gives the Democrats the lead in the race for the open US Senate seat that Senator Voinovich will retire from.

Hint: the Republican nominee for President will likely have to win Ohio fair and square in 2012, making things more difficult than they were in 2004. So far, the Republicans have never been able to win the Presidency without winning Ohio -- going with every Republican Presidential win since Abraham Lincoln in 1860.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 01, 2010, 12:48:37 PM
I checked the link and didn't see the 42/57 split on Alabama. I know what day it is!

I´m not joking. They somehow included the overall Obama approvals in the primary numbers.

But today they also released the 42-57 numbers in their Senate release:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_AL_401.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 01, 2010, 12:53:10 PM
We're getting Wyoming numbers later from Rasmussen. I think that's the first poll there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 01, 2010, 01:06:14 PM
We're getting Wyoming numbers later from Rasmussen. I think that's the first poll there.

If Obama's not got atleast 55% approval there, then i'll eat my hat.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 01, 2010, 01:08:22 PM
We're getting Wyoming numbers later from Rasmussen. I think that's the first poll there.

And Alabama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 01, 2010, 01:18:15 PM
Rasmussen has no poll involving the President in Ohio, but it does have the Governor's race tightening. Quinnipiac gives the Democrats the lead in the race for the open US Senate seat that Senator Voinovich will retire from.

Rasmussen probably has Obama in positive territory in Ohio, that`s why they removed his numbers from the release (contrary to any other release).

Obama having positive numbers in a swing state ? At Rasmussen ? REMOVE, before anyone notices ... :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 01, 2010, 01:44:22 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47% +1

Disapprove 53% +2


"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, unchanged.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 01, 2010, 01:45:44 PM
50% (u), 42% (-1), on Gallup.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 01, 2010, 02:21:22 PM
Rasmussen has the same numbers like PPP for Alabama:

42% Approve
58% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Alabama was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 29, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/alabama/toplines/toplines_alabama_governor_march_29_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: xavier110 on April 01, 2010, 02:39:41 PM
Rasmussen has the same numbers like PPP for Alabama:

42% Approve
58% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Alabama was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 29, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/alabama/toplines/toplines_alabama_governor_march_29_2010)

So he has better approval ratings in AL than he does in IN, says Rasmussen. Makes sense!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on April 01, 2010, 02:55:46 PM
Instead of conspiracies, I'd expect to see approvals in the Senate numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 01, 2010, 03:04:54 PM
ALABAMA

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

34% Strongly approve
8% Somewhat approve
6% Somewhat disapprove
52% Strongly disapprove
1% Not sure

It's Rasmussen, who doesn't do April Fools' jokes. Alabama was one of the strongest states for John McCain in 2008, and apparently a Senate seat is no sure hold for the Republicans. If Alabama should be a close vote for President in 2012, then the GOP is in trouble as deep as some of the valleys of northern Alabama:

Mixed approval and favorability (the latter Wisconsin only):

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Approval only:

(
)

The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.


Ignoring all polls from before March 22, 2010 we now] have  ten eleven data points. Can we interpret statewide polls, six of approval and one of favorability. Hawaii is off the chart for approval and Rhode Island is nearly so; the Dakotas and Missouri are in the lower-middle 40s in approval, New Mexico and New York are in the lower fifties for approval. Wisconsin just showed 54% favorability, so even if one knocks that one down three points, it is still in the low fifties. The new one is Idaho, off the chart for disapproval of the President suggests that President Obama would be lucky to get 30% of the vote there. Ohio looks like it would be a bare win for the President, and Arkansas is an unmitigated disaster for him.

Add 4 to 5 for any approval poll in the low 40s, and you now get Alabama as simply "solid GOP".

  






(
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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  43
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  10
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  18
white                        too close to call  3
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  14
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   9
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 10  




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 01, 2010, 03:25:49 PM
Rasmussen has the same numbers like PPP for Alabama:

42% Approve
58% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Alabama was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 29, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/alabama/toplines/toplines_alabama_governor_march_29_2010)

So he has better approval ratings in AL than he does in IN, says Rasmussen. Makes sense!

The surprise is Alabama. It could be the strip club scandal involving the Republican Party. So far, President Obama is more squeaky-clean and competent than Michael Steele. Alabama has lots of fundamentalist and evangelical Christians who resent rich people going to sexually-loaded entertainment where they get drunk while dropping lots of money. That might not last.

Indiana is about 2% more Republican than Ohio, so it is probably "too close to call". The Indiana poll came at the nastiest point of the HCR debate, and I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out with 44% or 45% approval for President Obama. Much the same can be said of any polls that came out in mid-March. That's why I have asterisks on polls that end after March 22, 2010.

We now have eleven statewide polls of approval or favorability (the question is the same) , reasonably scattered across the country. Alabama shows up strongly because of two polls that say much the same.

Michael Steele must go!

These would be interesting:

"Long time, no see": ME, MS, MT, UT, WV, WY, NE-02

(Alabama was in that category)

fringe swing states in clear Republican wins: IA, MN, NH, PA

(Wisconsin was in that category)

legitimate swing states: CO, FL, NV, VA  

(Ohio was in that category)

fringe swing states in Democratic wins

AZ, GA, IN, NC, SC

(Missouri was in that category)

Simply large:

CA, IL, MI, NJ, TX  



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on April 01, 2010, 05:04:21 PM
Rasmussen has the same numbers like PPP for Alabama:

42% Approve
58% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Alabama was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 29, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/alabama/toplines/toplines_alabama_governor_march_29_2010)

Err, wow...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on April 02, 2010, 07:36:06 AM
Alabama was one of the strongest states for John McCain in 2008, and apparently a Senate seat is no sure hold for the Republicans.

This would be the point where you say "APRIL FOOLS" and we all have a good laugh.

If not, then... I suppose we all still get a good laugh.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lunar on April 02, 2010, 07:45:30 AM
Alabama was one of the strongest states for John McCain in 2008, and apparently a Senate seat is no sure hold for the Republicans.

This would be the point where you say "APRIL FOOLS" and we all have a good laugh.

If not, then... I suppose we all still get a good laugh.

This was the guy in previous months seriously arguing that DeMint's 2012 prospects are seriously dampened by his lack of certainty for reelection


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 02, 2010, 08:39:28 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 46% -1

Disapprove 53% u


"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.


Basically, Obamacare slightly improved Obama's approval numbers and did boost his "Strongly Approve" numbers.  It rallied the base.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on April 02, 2010, 09:21:15 AM
Alabama was one of the strongest states for John McCain in 2008, and apparently a Senate seat is no sure hold for the Republicans.

This would be the point where you say "APRIL FOOLS" and we all have a good laugh.

If not, then... I suppose we all still get a good laugh.

This was the guy in previous months seriously arguing that DeMint's 2012 prospects are seriously dampened by his lack of certainty for reelection

HOWARD DEAN CHANGED EVERYTHING


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 02, 2010, 09:45:56 AM
We're getting Wyoming numbers later from Rasmussen. I think that's the first poll there.

No April Fool's joke there. (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/wyoming/election_2010_wyoming_governor)

How conservative is Wyoming?

Quote
Former Vice President Dick Cheney, another notable from Wyoming, is seen favorably by 61% of the state’s voters, including 39% with a very favorable opinion of him. Thirty-one percent (31%) have an unfavorable view of Cheney, with 23% very unfavorable.

Creepy!

Quote
John McCain carried Wyoming over Barack Obama by a 65% to 33% margin in November 2008. Now just 31% of Wyoming voters approve of the job Obama is doing as president, with 22% who Strongly Approve. Sixty-eight percent (68%) disapprove of his job performance, including 63% who Strongly Disapprove. This is considerably higher disapproval that is found nationally in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll.

A little better for President Obama than is Idaho, but not much. But it is only 3 electoral votes.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on April 02, 2010, 10:00:25 AM
Cheney was the House Rep. there for many years, lest we forget.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 02, 2010, 10:02:31 AM
End of the alphabetical list of states  (Wyoming), following the beginning. One chance in 2450 for that to happen, in case you are so inclined to look at such things. March 25. so an asterisk. Long time, no see indeed!

Mixed approval and favorability (the latter Wisconsin only):

(
)

Approval only:

(
)

The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.

Twelve states have checked in, and of these Alabama has two polls saying the same thing.  We can now add Wyoming. 


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  43
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  10
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  18
white                        too close to call  3
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  14
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   9
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 13  



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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on April 02, 2010, 10:19:38 AM
End of the alphabetical list of states  (Wyoming), following the beginning. One chance in 2450 for that to happen, in case you are so inclined to look at such things. March 25. so an asterisk. Long time, no see indeed!

Let no one say you lack a unique writing style. The non sequiturs could use some work, though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 02, 2010, 11:40:57 AM
Arizona, 41-55, Daily Kos, Research2000 (http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2010/3/31/AZ/467)

It reads as favorable/unfavorable; it acts as approve/disapprove. No politician ispopular in Arizona right now, so draw such conclusions as you wish. Even John McCain is below 50% approval, and Senator Kyl isn't much more popular than President Obama.

FAVORABLE/UNFAVORABLE

                                     VF    F   U      VF    DK
MCCAIN                          22   25   26   20   7
HAYWORTH                  11   23   21   21   24
BABBITT                          16   27   17   14   26
GIFFORDS                          11   21   14   10   44
GLASSMAN                   8   15   8   7   62
STOCKHOLM WALDEN   5   6   2   1   86
BREWER                          14   25   28   26   7
KYL                                  21   24   22   21   12
OBAMA                          19   22   27   28   4

Because non-Arizona politicians will be the Presidential and VP candidates for the Republican Party, even Obama could win this state in 2012.  Talk about a poisoned political environment!


Mixed approval and favorability (the latter Wisconsin only):

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The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.

Thirteen states have checked in, and of these Alabama has two polls saying the same thing.  We can now add Arizona.  


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  43
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  10
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  18
white                        too close to call  3
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  14
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   20
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 13  





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 02, 2010, 11:57:43 AM
End of the alphabetical list of states  (Wyoming), following the beginning. One chance in 2450 for that to happen, in case you are so inclined to look at such things. March 25. so an asterisk. Long time, no see indeed!

Let no one say you lack a unique writing style. The non sequiturs could use some work, though.

50 x 49 = 2450. It's even more unlikely than that, as neither Alabama nor Wyoming gets polled often.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on April 02, 2010, 12:07:34 PM
Instead of conspiracies, I'd expect to see approvals in the Senate numbers.

As predicted:

Approval 46%
Disapproval 53%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/ohio/toplines/toplines_2010_ohio_senate_race_march_30_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RosettaStoned on April 02, 2010, 12:20:09 PM
Instead of conspiracies, I'd expect to see approvals in the Senate numbers.

As predicted:

Approval 46%
Disapproval 53%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/ohio/toplines/toplines_2010_ohio_senate_race_march_30_2010

The question is, will those numbers hold?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on April 02, 2010, 01:00:49 PM
End of the alphabetical list of states  (Wyoming), following the beginning. One chance in 2450 for that to happen, in case you are so inclined to look at such things. March 25. so an asterisk. Long time, no see indeed!

Let no one say you lack a unique writing style. The non sequiturs could use some work, though.

50 x 49 = 2450. It's even more unlikely than that, as neither Alabama nor Wyoming gets polled often.



I understand where you got 2450 from. But there's no use in assigning exact mathematical odds to something that is not left up to random chance. Rasmussen isn't picking state names out of a hat.

Hence why I called it a "non sequitur."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 03, 2010, 09:35:09 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 46% u

Disapprove 53% u


"Strongly Approve" is at 32%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 03, 2010, 03:20:16 PM
Obama's numbers "Gallup" lower. ;)

Approve 48% -2

Disapprove 45% +2

In all seriousness, it looks like the standard "wobble."  His numbers have ranged Approve 46%-50%, Disapproved 43%-46%.

I didn't know Zogby owned Gallup?  ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on April 03, 2010, 08:22:00 PM
Obama approval for March 2010 (Gallup):

48% approve

44% disapprove

Trends for comparsion:

Carter: 49/36 (March 1978)

Reagan: 46/45 (March 1982)

Bush I: 71/17 (March 1990)

Clinton: 51/41 (March 1994)

Bush II: 79/16 (March 2002)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on April 03, 2010, 10:23:36 PM
Magellan Strategies Iowa

http://www.magellanstrategies.com/web/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Magellan-Iowa-General-Election-Survey-Release-0401102.pdf

42/50 approve/disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 03, 2010, 11:36:44 PM
Magellan Strategies Iowa

http://www.magellanstrategies.com/web/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Magellan-Iowa-General-Election-Survey-Release-0401102.pdf

42/50 approve/disapprove

The kicker is on the last page:

Quote
About Magellan Data and Mapping Strategies
Magellan Data and Mapping Strategies provides a wide array of data and information services
to Republican political organizations, public affair firms, associations and businesses.

Our firm’s services include quantitative survey research, data modeling, voter registration
databases, political donor databases, data enhancement, mapping products, voter targeting
and redistricting technology consulting.

How else could anyone come up with a poll that suggests that President Obama is as unpopular in Iowa as he is in Alabama or Arizona, and less popular in Iowa than in Missouri?

REJECT!





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 04, 2010, 02:01:13 AM
California (USC/Los Angeles Times):

58% Approve
34% Disapprove

64% Favorable
33% Unfavorable

The Los Angeles Times/USC College of Letters, Arts and Sciences poll was conducted by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner in conjunction with American Viewpoint, both based in Washington, D.C. The findings are based on a random sample survey of 1,515 registered voters in California conducted from March 23 to 30, 2010. The maximum sampling error for results based on the overall sample of 1,515 registered voters is plus or minus 2.6 percentage points at the 95% confidence level.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-poll4-2010apr04,0,5948679.story


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 04, 2010, 02:05:29 AM
North Carolina (High Point University):

48% Approve
44% Disapprove

The survey, which was conducted over a two-week period, polled 578 North Carolina residents and their views on several current political and public policy issues. The HPU Poll contacted a random digit dial (RDD) sample of households with landline telephones and was conducted on March 15-18, 20, and 22-26. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus 4.1 percentage points.

http://acme.highpoint.edu/~mkifer/USFMWF/slides


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on April 04, 2010, 02:13:45 AM
That High Point poll is no more credible than the Magellan poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on April 04, 2010, 02:17:06 AM
Illinois We Ask America poll

Obama: 47/50

http://weaskamerica.com/2010/03/11/il-approve-46-65-disapprove-49-54-unsure-3-81/

Michigan, Michigan Resource Group

Obama: 47/50

http://www.detnews.com/article/20100324/POLITICS03/3240428/1361/Obama--Granholm-get-negative-job-ratings-in-Michigan-poll


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on April 04, 2010, 02:19:36 AM
http://weaskamerica.com/

"MI-3 Poll: Does Battle Creek think health-care reform is GRRRREAT?"

I can't decide if this makes WeAskAmerica my new favorite, or new least favorite, pollster.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on April 04, 2010, 02:20:22 AM
Illinois We Ask America poll

Obama: 47/50

http://weaskamerica.com/2010/03/11/il-approve-46-65-disapprove-49-54-unsure-3-81/

Moderate heroism must not play well in Illinois.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 04, 2010, 02:22:13 AM
Illinois We Ask America poll

Obama: 47/50

http://weaskamerica.com/2010/03/11/il-approve-46-65-disapprove-49-54-unsure-3-81/

LOL !


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 04, 2010, 02:25:08 AM
Two college polls (CA, NC) and one obsolete poll (MI -- it's from during the HCR debate).

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Mixed approval and favorability (the latter Wisconsin only):

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The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.

Fifteen states have checked in, and of these Alabama has two polls saying the same thing.  We can now add California and North Carolina. Because the North Carolina poll is of adults it is not as strong as a "likely voters" poll.  

(
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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  88
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  10
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  33
white                        too close to call  3
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  14
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   20
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 13  






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on April 04, 2010, 03:11:48 AM
The North Carolina poll is also before the HC debate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 04, 2010, 08:06:29 AM
Illinois We Ask America poll

Obama: 47/50

http://weaskamerica.com/2010/03/11/il-approve-46-65-disapprove-49-54-unsure-3-81/


LOL! No.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 04, 2010, 08:33:15 AM
The North Carolina poll is also before the HC debate.

It also ends after the HCR debate; thus the asterisk.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on April 04, 2010, 08:37:23 AM
Why is the Illinois poll not included, other than you don't like it's numbers?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 04, 2010, 09:03:13 AM
Why is the Illinois poll not included, other than you don't like it's numbers?

Isn't it a GOP pollster? :S


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 04, 2010, 10:07:28 AM
The California poll was conducted by Greenberg, Quinlan,  Rosner. If you are excluding the Magellan one because it is a Republican firm, should you not include the GQR one because it is a Democratic firm?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on April 04, 2010, 10:42:42 AM
Why is the Illinois poll not included, other than you don't like it's numbers?

Isn't it a GOP pollster? :S

Is it? I didn't know, so I was asking.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 04, 2010, 11:59:22 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 46% u

Disapprove 53% u


"Strongly Approve" is at 32%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 04, 2010, 12:52:38 PM
The California poll was conducted by Greenberg, Quinlan,  Rosner. If you are excluding the Magellan one because it is a Republican firm, should you not include the GQR one because it is a Democratic firm?

Quote
The Los Angeles Times/USC College of Letters, Arts and Sciences poll surveyed 1,515 registered voters from March 23 to 30. It was conducted by a bipartisan team of polling companies based in the Washington, D.C., area: Greenberg Quinlan Rosner, a Democratic firm, and American Viewpoint, a Republican firm. The margin of error is plus or minus 2.6 percentage points.

It is a university-based poll with some oversight to prevent undue bias.  This isn't a "poll your buddies" effort.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on April 04, 2010, 06:59:37 PM
Wenzen Strategies National Poll

Obama: 41/47

http://wenzelstrategies.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/wnd-election-preview-full-crosstabs-3-23-2010.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 04, 2010, 07:11:31 PM
Wenzen Strategies National Poll

Obama: 41/47

http://wenzelstrategies.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/wnd-election-preview-full-crosstabs-3-23-2010.pdf

Oh wow, a poll for WorldNetDaily. That's as useful as a poll for Kos.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on April 04, 2010, 09:46:03 PM
Do you understand the distinction between commissioning and conducting a poll?  Kos and World Net Daily commissioned the polls but had nothing to do with conducting the poll.

In any event, the Kos poll is being questioned because of its far too favorable sample for Obama and the Democrat Party.

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2010/04/in_polls_demogr.php

The funny thing is that R2K concedes in the article that the sample it is using is unreasonable.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on April 05, 2010, 01:24:42 AM
What's Vejjajiva polling in the Kos poll?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 05, 2010, 01:51:04 AM
The California poll was conducted by Greenberg, Quinlan,  Rosner. If you are excluding the Magellan one because it is a Republican firm, should you not include the GQR one because it is a Democratic firm?

Take a closer look again:

The Los Angeles Times/USC College of Letters, Arts and Sciences poll was conducted by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner in conjunction with American Viewpoint, both based in Washington, D.C. The findings are based on a random sample survey of 1,515 registered voters in California conducted from March 23 to 30, 2010. The maximum sampling error for results based on the overall sample of 1,515 registered voters is plus or minus 2.6 percentage points at the 95% confidence level.

http://www.amview.com/amview_contents/stories/political.shtml

Who We Help

Political Clients:

GA House Republican Caucus
IL House Republican Caucus
Illinois State Senate Republican Caucus
IN House Republican Campaign Committee
MO Senate Republican Caucus
RNC
NRCC
NRSC
The WISH List
Republican Governors Association
Republican Mainstreet Partnership
Republican Majority for Choice

So, this poll is totally bipartisan and is also in line with other recent CA results from PPIC.

BTW: This GQR poll also has Whitman ahead of Brown in the Governor race.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 05, 2010, 01:55:16 AM
Wenzen Strategies National Poll

Obama: 41/47

http://wenzelstrategies.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/wnd-election-preview-full-crosstabs-3-23-2010.pdf

Oh wow, a poll for WorldNetDaily. That's as useful as a poll for Kos.

Excellent/Good/Fair/Poor poll. Toss.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on April 05, 2010, 07:33:36 AM
Why is the Illinois poll not included, other than you don't like it's numbers?

Isn't it a GOP pollster? :S

Yes.

http://www.swingstateproject.com/diary/6672/on-those-we-ask-america-illinois-polls


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 05, 2010, 07:37:48 AM
In any event, the Kos poll is being questioned because of its far too favorable sample for Obama and the Democrat Party.

And WND hasn't got a sample which is far too unfavourable for Obama and the Democrats and far to favourable to the Republicans?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 05, 2010, 08:34:30 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 49% +3

Disapprove 53% -2


"Strongly Approve" is at 34%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.


My guess would be a bad sample, but we'll see.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 05, 2010, 08:35:15 AM
The horror scenario for Republicans concerning 2012 is taking shape.

Obama creates jobs and his poll numbers rise:

Friday’s report on job creation has provided a boost in both consumer and investor confidence. Confidence is now back to where it was when Lehman Brothers collapsed in the fall of 2008. Since release of the employment data, the number of unaffiliated voters who Strongly Approve of the President’s performance has increased from 20% to 27%. Forty-five percent (45%) of unaffiliateds still Strongly Disapprove.

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 34% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-one percent (41%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -7. These are the President’s best ratings since February 1.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Overall:

49% Approve (+3)
51% Disapprove (-2)

Also: Thx to all for the already 200.000 clicks on this topic ... :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 05, 2010, 08:40:42 AM
The horror scenario for Republicans concerning 2012 is taking shape.

It's 2 and a half years out. Don't jump the gun.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on April 05, 2010, 08:42:43 AM
Wenzen Strategies National Poll

Obama: 41/47

http://wenzelstrategies.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/wnd-election-preview-full-crosstabs-3-23-2010.pdf

Oh wow, a poll for WorldNetDaily. That's as useful as a poll for Kos.

Excellent/Good/Fair/Poor poll. Toss.

I concur because "fair", in itself, is not necessarily a negative assessment


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on April 05, 2010, 11:02:32 AM
I saw 49% approve and 51% disapprove but that seems kinda good for him these days.  That was Rasmussen, it's the most conservative and most accurate. Something funny?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 05, 2010, 11:16:40 AM
Iowa
42/50

http://www.magellanstrategies.com/web/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Magellan-Iowa-General-Election-Survey-Release-0401102.pdf

Magellan (R)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on April 05, 2010, 11:48:09 AM
The horror scenario for Republicans concerning 2012 is taking shape.

It's 2 and a half years out. Don't jump the gun.

Understood, but you have to keep in mind the trends.  The economy is certainly trending towards recovery; especially in job creation.  This trend is not only prevalent right now during Obama's administration, but has been seen over many different Democratic administrations. 

Someone used to have a very useful graph of job creation during Republican and Democratic admins as their signature and I wish they still had it. 

Either way, the economy and job markets are most likely going to be at least somewhat  better in 2012 than when Obama took office.  If it's only meager improvement I could see a good GOP campaign stealing one... but I don't think we are going to see a gigantic rejection ala Jimmy Carter in 2012.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on April 05, 2010, 11:52:38 AM
The horror scenario for Republicans concerning 2012 is taking shape.

Obama creates jobs and his poll numbers rise:

Friday’s report on job creation has provided a boost in both consumer and investor confidence. Confidence is now back to where it was when Lehman Brothers collapsed in the fall of 2008. Since release of the employment data, the number of unaffiliated voters who Strongly Approve of the President’s performance has increased from 20% to 27%. Forty-five percent (45%) of unaffiliateds still Strongly Disapprove.

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 34% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-one percent (41%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -7. These are the President’s best ratings since February 1.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Overall:

49% Approve (+3)
51% Disapprove (-2)

Also: Thx to all for the already 200.000 clicks on this topic ... :)

That's good news. I think we also have to give credit to the fact that he announced support for offshore drilling, which is wildly popular. (72% supported it in a Rasmussen poll on April 2)

 Not to mention that the health care debate is not in the news nearly as much.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 05, 2010, 11:54:30 AM
The horror scenario for Republicans concerning 2012 is taking shape.

It's 2 and a half years out. Don't jump the gun.

Understood, but you have to keep in mind the trends.  The economy is certainly trending towards recovery; especially in job creation.  This trend is not only prevalent right now during Obama's administration, but has been seen over many different Democratic administrations. 

Someone used to have a very useful graph of job creation during Republican and Democratic admins as their signature and I wish they still had it. 

Either way, the economy and job markets are most likely going to be at least somewhat  better in 2012 than when Obama took office.  If it's only meager improvement I could see a good GOP campaign stealing one... but I don't think we are going to see a gigantic rejection ala Jimmy Carter in 2012.   

True, but still Obama only gets good buzz from it if the media says he's done well jobs wise.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on April 05, 2010, 12:45:14 PM
Gallup shows no improvement: 48/46


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 05, 2010, 01:01:11 PM
Nevada (Rasmussen): (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/nevada/toplines/toplines_2010_nevada_senate_march_31_2010)

42% Approve
58% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Nevada was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 31, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 05, 2010, 01:52:05 PM
Nevada, where Harry Reid is still in trouble:

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Mixed approval and favorability (the latter Wisconsin only):

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The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.

Sixteen states have checked in, and of these Alabama has two polls saying the same thing.
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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  88
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  10
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  33
white                        too close to call  3
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  20
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   20
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 13  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 05, 2010, 02:21:22 PM
The horror scenario for Republicans concerning 2012 is taking shape.



Actually, Obama is 48% (u), 46% (+1) on Gallup.

I really think that both of these are just bad samples.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on April 05, 2010, 03:23:13 PM
Before we all start getting too excited about job creation, remember that a heck of a lot of jobs being "created" right now are for the U.S. Census Bureau, and will only last through July.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 21st Century Independent on April 05, 2010, 03:45:13 PM
Nevada (Rasmussen): (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/nevada/toplines/toplines_2010_nevada_senate_march_31_2010)

42% Approve
58% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Nevada was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 31, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

That's a big ouch. Especially considering his margin of victory in 08 in that state. That's a significant drop and well below the average.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 21st Century Independent on April 05, 2010, 03:51:03 PM
Before we all start getting too excited about job creation, remember that a heck of a lot of jobs being "created" right now are for the U.S. Census Bureau, and will only last through July.

I personally believe corporations are growing accustomed to the lesser amount of work staff still handling their workload while being paid overtime. These companies also have substantial cash on the side which they like very much and only helps the stock prices of these same entities.

This job recovery will be lethargic due to companies having gone through the mill and back during these last two painful years.

This will not be the usual recession ending, unemployement dropping, economy when things turn around. Unfortunately. I truly hope I am dead wrong about this. However, this is what I am seeing.

The DJIA's recovery has been based not on a turn around, but on the health of companies balance sheets and earnings reports. When a company has thinned it's staff out so much and rid itself of backed inventory, it is only natural that profits will resume if they are garnering at least the same amount of business. In other words, these companies kept subtracting their losses until there was profit.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on April 05, 2010, 04:28:11 PM
Nevada (Rasmussen): (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/nevada/toplines/toplines_2010_nevada_senate_march_31_2010)

42% Approve
58% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Nevada was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 31, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

Seems a few points too low, although I agree that he is below 50 in Nevada.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on April 05, 2010, 04:33:49 PM
I think Rasmussen is probably always going to be a few points skewed towards the Republicans in state polls. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on April 05, 2010, 04:40:30 PM
That's because Rasmussen polls what its likely voter model, which always tends to skew Republican.  I'd say ~45% is right in Nevada, but what the hell do I know


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 05, 2010, 04:49:29 PM
Nevada (Rasmussen): (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/nevada/toplines/toplines_2010_nevada_senate_march_31_2010)

42% Approve
58% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Nevada was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 31, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

That's a big ouch. Especially considering his margin of victory in 08 in that state. That's a significant drop and well below the average.



Nevada was a nailbiter until early November, when the effects of the failure of predatory lending and reckless speculation turned a close race into a blowout.

There's no quick cure for such economic circumstances.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 21st Century Independent on April 06, 2010, 12:28:54 AM
Nevada (Rasmussen): (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/nevada/toplines/toplines_2010_nevada_senate_march_31_2010)

42% Approve
58% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Nevada was conducted by Rasmussen Reports March 31, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

I agree with no quick fix, but the people of Nevada feel otherwise with that polling result.

That's a big ouch. Especially considering his margin of victory in 08 in that state. That's a significant drop and well below the average.



Nevada was a nailbiter until early November, when the effects of the failure of predatory lending and reckless speculation turned a close race into a blowout.

There's no quick cure for such economic circumstances.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 21st Century Independent on April 06, 2010, 12:29:56 AM
I think Rasmussen is probably always going to be a few points skewed towards the Republicans in state polls. 

Not really. Rasmussen is one of the most accurate pollsters out there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sasquatch on April 06, 2010, 04:51:31 AM
I think Rasmussen is probably always going to be a few points skewed towards the Republicans in state polls. 

Not really. Rasmussen is one of the most accurate pollsters out there.
Rasmussen was spot on in 2004. Had all the states and even the margins right.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 06, 2010, 08:39:56 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% -1

Disapprove 51% u


"Strongly Approve" is at 32%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on April 06, 2010, 09:28:37 AM
FYI about Rasmussen:

He had about a 2% GOP bias, on the whole, in his state polls in 2006 and 2008 (I need to recheck 2008, but I'm pretty sure that's right).  2000 (which most people don't remember) and 2004, his state polls were dead-on.  In 2000, this occurred even though his national poll was, well,... we remember.

Funny thing about 2006 is that his polls had less GOP bias in the end than SUSA, and definitely less than Mason-Dixon.  This is one of the reasons, btw, why I consider 2006 to be a wave election and not 2008.

Anyway, I think it's up to him to show that his polls don't just have a continual GOP bias and that 2006 and 2008 were not signs of a trend (i.e. show to me that 2006 was a wave election oddity and that 2008 was just because his weightings weren't right).  We'll see.

Right now, I am loathe to do this because a composite view of his state numbers matches his national numbers.  That being said, even if I include a 2% GOP bias, the state polls are still not very pretty.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 06, 2010, 09:46:20 AM
Kentucky (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/kentucky/election_2010_kentucky_senate)

Obama --

Approve 38%
Disapprove 62%

Rasmussen, March 31: "Likely voters". Definitely no swing state except in an Obama landslide Rasmussen seems to be showing few polls for genuine swing states.

First two April polls -- letter D, and no asterisk, both from PPP.

Illinois (PPP) (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_IL_406.pdf):

50% of voters approve of the job he's doing to 42% who disapprove. The Democratic candidates for US Senate have trouble.


Pennsylvania (PPP). Swing state if the Democrats are in trouble: (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_PA_406.pdf)

Quote
50% of voters in the state give Obama poor marks while 46% think he's doing a good job. 76% of Democrats like the job he's doing but only 12% of Republicans do, and independents are split against him by a 52/42 margin as well.




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Mixed approval and favorability (the latter Wisconsin only):

(
)

The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll (maximum 180 days) before December 1, 2009 except Montana (November 2009), which rarely gets polled.

Nineteen states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House, and of these Alabama has two polls saying the same thing.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  88
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  30
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  53
white                        too close to call  3
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  20
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   20
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 21  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 06, 2010, 01:41:33 PM
Gallup Obama

Approve: 49% +1

Disapprove: 46% (u)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 06, 2010, 04:17:22 PM
Isn't it remarkable that Rasmussen has shown few polls with Obama with approval over 50%? Read between the lines on Alabama and the Dakotas. He did show Hawaii and Rhode Island as extreme outliers for America as a whole.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Rasmussen polls from  Utah, Louisiana, Kansas, Oklahoma, and West Virginia at any moment.  


Michigan? Oregon? Washington? Minnesota? Massachusetts? Maine? New Hampshire? Hmmm.

I wonder about Georgia, Florida, Indiana, South Carolina, Virginia, Montana, and Colorado.


... Does anyone have any problems if I remove the recordings of the most recent polls in Montana and Utah? Those are the last 2009 polls on the map. Spring housekeeping, so to speak.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on April 06, 2010, 04:55:08 PM
Yea, I'd say get rid of any 2009 polls for sure.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: nhmagic on April 06, 2010, 05:21:30 PM
Isn't it remarkable that Rasmussen has shown few polls with Obama with approval over 50%? Read between the lines on Alabama and the Dakotas. He did show Hawaii and Rhode Island as extreme outliers for America as a whole.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Rasmussen polls from  Utah, Louisiana, Kansas, Oklahoma, and West Virginia at any moment.  


Michigan? Oregon? Washington? Minnesota? Massachusetts? Maine? New Hampshire? Hmmm.

I wonder about Georgia, Florida, Indiana, South Carolina, Virginia, Montana, and Colorado.


... Does anyone have any problems if I remove the recordings of the most recent polls in Montana and Utah? Those are the last 2009 polls on the map. Spring housekeeping, so to speak.

New Hampshire is surely anti Obama right now.  I dont think he's holding off on poll releases just because...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 06, 2010, 05:34:13 PM
Isn't it remarkable that Rasmussen has shown few polls with Obama with approval over 50%? Read between the lines on Alabama and the Dakotas. He did show Hawaii and Rhode Island as extreme outliers for America as a whole.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Rasmussen polls from  Utah, Louisiana, Kansas, Oklahoma, and West Virginia at any moment.  


Michigan? Oregon? Washington? Minnesota? Massachusetts? Maine? New Hampshire? Hmmm.

I wonder about Georgia, Florida, Indiana, South Carolina, Virginia, Montana, and Colorado.


New Hampshire is surely anti Obama right now.  I dont think he's holding off on poll releases just because...

How would you know?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on April 06, 2010, 08:06:52 PM
Isn't it remarkable that Rasmussen has shown few polls with Obama with approval over 50%? Read between the lines on Alabama and the Dakotas. He did show Hawaii and Rhode Island as extreme outliers for America as a whole.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Rasmussen polls from  Utah, Louisiana, Kansas, Oklahoma, and West Virginia at any moment. 


Michigan? Oregon? Washington? Minnesota? Massachusetts? Maine? New Hampshire? Hmmm.

I wonder about Georgia, Florida, Indiana, South Carolina, Virginia, Montana, and Colorado.


New Hampshire is surely anti Obama right now.  I dont think he's holding off on poll releases just because...

How would you know?

azmagic is omniscient.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 06, 2010, 08:32:31 PM
Rasmussen polls on a monthly cycle. He'll poll New Hampshire when it comes up in the cycle. Look at the date he did it last month, and he'll do it again approximately the same date in this month.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 07, 2010, 12:23:14 AM
Wisconsin (St. Norbert College):

44% Approve
50% Disapprove

Survey Information:

Random Selection, Landline Telephone Survey
Number of Adult Wisconsin Resident Respondents:  400
Interview Period: 3/23/10 – 3/31/10
Margin of Error: +/- 5% at the 95% confidence level.

http://wpr.org/announce/survey1004/sp10-national-issues.htm


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 07, 2010, 12:33:15 AM
Michigan (EPIC-MRA):

50% Favorable
44% Unfavorable

44% Excellent/Good
55% Fair/Poor

http://www.wxyz.com/content/news/seenon7priority/story/EXCLUSIVE-POLL-The-Race-For-Governor/Gi1XEnTrxUq1rnZB5Sov2g.cspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 07, 2010, 09:29:05 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% u

Disapprove 52% +1


"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 07, 2010, 09:39:15 AM
Massachusetts, Rasmussen (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/massachusetts/election_2010_massachusetts_governor)

Quote
Obama won 62% of the vote in Massachusetts to carry the state in the November 2008 election. Fifty-six percent (56%) of Massachusetts voters now approve of the job he is doing, virtually unchanged form a month ago. Forty-four percent (44%) disapprove. These numbers include 37% who Strongly Approve and 33% who Strongly Disapprove. This is well above Obama’s national job approval ratings in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on April 07, 2010, 10:53:32 AM
Ouch, even Massachusetts doesn't like HCR.

Quote
Forty-eight percent (48%) favor repeal, while 48% are opposed.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 07, 2010, 04:05:05 PM

Gallup Obama

Approve: 50% +1

Disapprove: 45% -1


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 07, 2010, 06:38:34 PM
Connecticut (April 1), Rasmussen, likely voters: (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/connecticut/toplines/toplines_connecticut_governor_april_1_2010)

Quote
1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama  has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

36% Strongly approve
18% Somewhat approve
9% Somewhat disapprove
37% Strongly disapprove
0% Not sure

Yawn!

I now concede that Rasmussen does a good job of rotating between states.


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Mixed approval and favorability (the latter California and Michigan only):

(
)

The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll

23 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House, and of these Alabama has two polls saying the same thing; those in Wisconsin contradict.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  88
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  30
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  69
white                        too close to call  13
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  20
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   20
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 21  



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 08, 2010, 08:50:49 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47% -1

Disapprove 53% +1


"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.

It appears that that high Obama sample has dropped off.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on April 08, 2010, 10:39:52 AM
Quinnipiac (PA)

45% Approve
49% Disapprove
 
From March 30 - April 5, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,412 Pennsylvania voters, with a margin of error of +/- 2.6 percentage points

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1327.xml?ReleaseID=1442

Rasmussen (CO)

42% Approve
57% Disapprove

29% Strongly approve
13% Somewhat approve
10% Somewhat disapprove
47% Strongly disapprove
0% Not sure


Colorado Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted April 5, 2010

link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/colorado/election_2010_colorado_senate)

Rasmussen (IL)

58% Approve
41% Disapprove

38% Strongly approve
20% Somewhat approve
6% Somewhat disapprove
35% Strongly disapprove
1% Not sure


Illinois Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted April 5, 2010

link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/illinois/election_2010_illinois_governor)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 08, 2010, 10:59:34 AM
Quinnipiac changes nothing in PA. Colorado and Illinois check in.

Missouri a second time in two weeks (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/missouri/election_2010_missouri_senate)

Quote
John McCain squeaked by Obama 50% to 49% to win Missouri in the 2008 presidential election. Forty percent (40%) of voters in the state now approve of the job Obama is doing as president, including 22% who strongly approve. Fifty-nine percent (59%) disapprove of his job performance, up three points from a month ago. This includes 46% who strongly disapprove. This gives Obama a job approval rating in the state that is slightly lower than findings nationally in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll.

(
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Mixed approval and favorability (the latter California and Michigan only):

(
)

The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months:

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll

24 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House, and of these Alabama has two polls saying the same thing; those in Wisconsin contradict.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  132
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  0
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  69
white                        too close to call  13
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  18
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   31
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 21  




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 08, 2010, 03:53:47 PM

Gallup Obama

Approve: 49% -1

Disapprove: 46% +1



To give some perspective:

Reagan had a 46% disapproval at roughly this point, with a 45% approval.  Carter had 48% approval and 39% disapproval on the monthlies.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on April 08, 2010, 09:57:14 PM
Rasmussen (MO)

42% Approve
57% Disapprove

22% Strongly approve
18% Somewhat approve
13% Somewhat disapprove
46% Strongly disapprove
1% Not sure


Missouri Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted April 6, 2010

link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/missouri/election_2010_missouri_senate)

Fox News/Opinion Dynamics (National)

43% Approve
48% Disapprove

4/6-7/10; 900 registered voters, 3% margin of error

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/040810_Obama_HC_2010_web.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 09, 2010, 08:54:19 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% +1

Disapprove 52% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 09, 2010, 03:06:21 PM
New Hampshire 49A-5 0D, Rasmussen (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/new_hampshire/election_2010_new_hampshire_senate)

Quote
Forty-nine percent (49%) of New Hampshire voters approve of the president’s job performance, while 50% disapprove. This includes 27% who strongly approve and 43% who strongly disapprove. This gives Obama a job approval rating in the state in line with views nationally in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll.

Washington 54A- 43D (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/washington/election_2010_washington_senate)

Quote
Obama carried Washington with 58% of the vote in November 2008. Fifty-four percent (54%) now approve of his performance as president, up four points from a month ago, while 43% disapprove. This includes 36% who strongly approve and 37% who strongly disapprove.


(
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Mixed approval and favorability (the latter California and Michigan only):

(
)

The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll

26 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House, and of these Alabama has two polls saying the same thing; those in Wisconsin contradict.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  144
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  4
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  69
white                        too close to call  13
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  18
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   31
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 21  





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 09, 2010, 05:36:20 PM
Interesting new Rasmussen poll. It ain't the economy any more! (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/importance_of_issues)


Importance of Issues
Government Ethics and Corruption Edges Economy as Most Important Issue
Friday, April 09, 2010



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Voters now rate government ethics and corruption as the most important issue regularly tracked by Rasmussen Reports. This is the second time in two years this issue has edged the economy and also marks the highest percentage of voters who have ever rated it most important.

The latest national telephone survey finds that 84% of U.S. voters now see government ethics and corruption as a very important issue. The only other time this issue was rated number one was in September 2009 when 83% felt that way.

When it comes to which party voters trust more on the issue, 35% trust Democrats, 33% trust Republicans, and 33% are not sure. Most unaffiliated voters don’t trust either of the major parties on this issue.

However, this is the only issue on which voters trust Democrats. Republicans are trusted more on nine out of 10 key issues.

Republican candidates now hold a nine-point lead over Democrats in the latest edition of the Generic Congressional Ballot.

Just below government ethics and corruption is the issue of the economy, which is viewed as very important by 81%. This finding has remained relatively steady since late January 2008.

More Republicans rate government ethics and corruption as the most important issue than Democrats. But on the issue of the economy, both parties are evenly divided.

Seventy-two percent (72%) feel health care should top the list, up 10 points from last month. Support for health care as an issue is up in both parties this month. The number of GOP voters who feel this issue is very important is up 17 points from March, while support among Democrats is up nine points from the previous survey.

Republicans are trusted more than Democrats on the health care issue now. Before Democrats in the House voted to pass the national health care plan, the two parties were essentially even in terms of voter trust.

Two weeks after passage of the plan, 54% of voters still favor repealing it.

Ranking fourth out of 10 is Social Security, deemed the most important issue by 66% of voters. This finding is up four points from last month and up seven points since early February.

Sixty percent (60%) of voters say education is a very important issue, the highest level measured since early November 2009.

Earlier this month, President Obama signed into law a plan that gets the federal government more directly involved in the student loan market, but just 35% of Americans think that’s a good idea.

Next are the issues of taxes and national security. Fifty-eight percent (58%) feel these issues are the most important. The number of voters who say national security is a very important issue is down six points from last month, while the number of voters who feel this way about taxes is down four points.

Fifty-five percent (55%) of voters oppose President Obama’s new policy prohibiting the use of nuclear weapons in response to chemical or biological attacks on the United States. Despite the president's signing this week of a nuclear disarmament treaty with Russia, 53% oppose cuts to the U.S. nuclear arsenal.

Last month, the issues of health care, taxes, and social security were tied for third place.

Forty-seven percent (47%) view immigration as a very important issue, down seven points from last month.

Abortion and the war in Iraq are essentially tied for last place. Thirty-nine percent (39%) rate abortion as very important and 37% feel this way about the war in Iraq. These findings are both down slightly from the previous survey.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 09, 2010, 06:21:57 PM

Daily Kos, Research2000, favorability (http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2010/4/7/OH/469)

Daily Kos/Research 2000 Ohio Poll
Research 2000, MoE 4%, Apr 05, 2010 - Apr 07, 2010

                        VF    F       U    VU     DK

FISHER           19   22   13   11   35  Possible D candidate for US Senate
BRUNNER           17   21   14   12   36  Possible D candidate for US Senate
PORTMAN           18   21   17   13   31  Likely R nominee for US Senate
STRICKLAND   22   25   21   20   12  Current D Governor running for re-election
KASICH           18   24   14   14   30  Likely R nominee for Governor
VOINOVICH   21   23   22   15   19  Incumbent, retiring Republican Senator
BROWN           21   25   16   15   23  Current US Senator, D- OH
OBAMA           21   25   23   22     9  No introduction necessary

Same source, Georgia Favorability/Unfavorability (45-51) (http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2010/4/7/GA/471)

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Mixed approval and favorability (the latter California, Georgia, Michigan, and Ohio only):

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The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll

27 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House, and of these Alabama has two polls saying the same thing; those in Wisconsin contradict.

Georgia is favorability, and 45% approval suggests about a 46% vote. 41% approval would have about the same effect.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  144
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  4
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  69
white                        too close to call  13
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  18
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   47
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 21  







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on April 09, 2010, 08:04:28 PM
No one but you values the favorability ratings, don't waste the space posting that map.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 09, 2010, 09:20:41 PM


Gallup Obama

Approve: 49% u

Disapprove: 46% u

The horse is hobbled today. 



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 10, 2010, 12:04:45 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% u

Disapprove 52% u


"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.

Interestingly, both Gallup and Rasmussen show very stable numbers.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on April 10, 2010, 12:39:42 PM
Gallup

47% approve (-2)

48% disapprove (+2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on April 10, 2010, 01:32:42 PM
Ras is curiously high.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ragevein on April 10, 2010, 02:16:18 PM
It is official.

Ohio = more liberal than Wisconin. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 10, 2010, 04:58:54 PM
Gallup

47% approve (-2)

48% disapprove (+2)

I would guess a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 11, 2010, 08:42:54 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47% -1

Disapprove 53% +1


"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on April 11, 2010, 12:24:51 PM
Gallup:

45% approve (-2)

48% disapprove (nc)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on April 11, 2010, 12:43:06 PM
The -3 net has to be his lowest approval to date on Gallup, correct?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 11, 2010, 01:12:15 PM
The -3 net has to be his lowest approval to date on Gallup, correct?

Yes, and I still expect it's caused a bad sample.  If there is a still a problem by Tuesday-Wednesday, it might be something more.

There has been, arguably, some slight downward movement in Rasmussen, but well within the MOE.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on April 11, 2010, 01:31:34 PM
Obama Job Approval chart - ALL POLLS
Updated April 11, 2010

Methodology (at this point - will probably start narrowing closer to 2010 elections)

- All polls per state done in last six weeks (must be started after Feb 21 for this week), maximum one poll per firm.
- Other polls done in last six months can be included, but no more than three polls per state can be outside the six week envelope and if more than three polls done in last six weeks, no polls before that.  (also if one poll done in last six weeks, then only two can be included in six month period, two polls, then one, etc).
- No favorable polls; no excellent/good/fair/poor polls; no Rutgers-Eagleton/Strategic Vision/any other questionable company; no partisan/internals, my judgment as to what is prevails
- National number is an amalgamation of 2008/2004 turnout with certain additional variables.
- Virginia Gov/Massachusetts Special polls ignored.  New Jersey Gov polls wouldn't be included under the methodology anyways.

State# of PollsObama ApprovalObama Disapproval2008 Obama2004 Kerry2000 Gore
Alabama340%58%39%37%42%
Alaska137%56%38%36%28%
Arizona245%52%45%44%45%
Arkansas337%60%39%45%46%
California556%38%61%54%53%
Colorado245%54%54%47%42%
Connecticut354%42%61%54%56%
D. C.0NoneNone92%89%85%
Delaware252%45%62%53%55%
Florida345%51%51%47%49%
Georgia343%54%47%41%43%
Hawaii177%23%72%54%56%
Idaho233%62%36%30%28%
Illinois254%42%62%55%55%
Indiana139%60%50%39%41%
Iowa348%48%54%49%49%
Kansas240%60%42%37%37%
Kentucky337%60%41%40%41%
Louisiana137%62%40%42%45%
Maine0NoneNone58%54%49%
Maryland358%34%62%56%57%
Massachusetts156%44%62%62%60%
Michigan148%50%57%51%51%
Minnesota149%49%54%51%48%
Mississippi0NoneNone43%40%41%
Missouri343%54%49%46%47%
Montana137%53%47%39%33%
Nebraska138%61%42%33%33%
Nevada243%55%55%48%46%
New Hampshire249%49%54%50%47%
New Jersey354%39%57%53%56%
New Mexico250%47%57%49%48%
New York356%41%63%58%60%
North Carolina447%49%50%44%43%
North Dakota144%55%45%36%33%
Ohio444%52%51%49%46%
Oklahoma237%60%34%34%38%
Oregon249%50%57%51%47%
Pennsylvania346%50%54%51%51%
Rhode Island161%39%63%59%61%
South Carolina346%48%45%41%41%
South Dakota242%54%45%38%38%
Tennessee239%57%42%43%47%
Texas336%57%44%38%38%
Utah238%60%34%26%26%
Vermont262%36%67%59%51%
Virginia246%53%53%45%44%
Washington248%50%57%53%50%
West Virginia0NoneNone43%43%46%
Wisconsin448%49%56%50%48%
Wyoming131%68%33%29%28%
NATIONAL47%49%53%48%48%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on April 11, 2010, 01:35:24 PM
Not going to have a chance to put up the Rasmussen numbers now, but the national numbers for both 3 poll/1 poll = 48% Approval, 51% Disapproval.

As for state polls without Rasmussen, I'll put that up later.  Its extrapolation is going to probably be 47% Approval, 47% Disapproval, unless something expected occurs in my maths.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ronnie on April 11, 2010, 01:38:25 PM
Yikes, those are some ugly numbers for Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 11, 2010, 05:50:09 PM
Not going to have a chance to put up the Rasmussen numbers now, but the national numbers for both 3 poll/1 poll = 48% Approval, 51% Disapproval.

As for state polls without Rasmussen, I'll put that up later.  Its extrapolation is going to probably be 47% Approval, 47% Disapproval, unless something expected occurs in my maths.

Rasmussen has been reasonably stable, with a pickup in the "strongly approve" numbers.  "Approve" is arguably slightly better.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on April 11, 2010, 06:40:02 PM
The trend has been in gallup that whenever Palin/talk radio takes a prominent role in the media cycle, Obama's approval rating has dropped (look at what happened to obama's numbers in the gallup poll the week of her book tour).  I'll concede this trend didn't apply to her tea party convention speech.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on April 11, 2010, 08:55:26 PM
This is the map that goes with Sam's first chart: Blue is tie, Red Disapprove and Green Approve.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on April 11, 2010, 09:01:32 PM
This is the map that goes with Sam's first chart: Blue is tie, Red Disapprove and Green Approve.

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I'd say 45% approval is the even out point.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on April 11, 2010, 09:49:52 PM
Can we get the pic of the Duke hack Scheyer off the board?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on April 11, 2010, 10:12:08 PM
Obama Job Approval chart - RASMUSSEN LAST 3 POLLS
Updated April 11, 2010

Methodology (at this point - will probably start narrowing closer to 2010 elections)

- This chart covers an average of the last two/three Rasmussen polls within the last six months, or simply the last poll if no poll exists in that time frame.
- National number is an amalgamation of 2008/2004 turnout with certain additional variables.
- Virginia Gov/Massachusetts Special polls ignored.  New Jersey Gov polls wouldn't be included under the methodology anyways.

State# of PollsObama ApprovalObama Disapproval2008 Obama2004 Kerry2000 Gore
Alabama142%58%39%37%42%
Alaska0NoneNone38%36%28%
Arizona342%58%45%44%45%
Arkansas336%62%39%45%46%
California358%42%61%54%53%
Colorado343%55%54%47%42%
Connecticut353%47%61%54%56%
D. C.0NoneNone92%89%85%
Delaware352%47%62%53%55%
Florida343%56%51%47%49%
Georgia343%55%47%41%43%
Hawaii177%23%72%54%56%
Idaho130%70%36%30%28%
Illinois356%43%62%55%55%
Indiana342%57%50%39%41%
Iowa248%52%54%49%49%
Kansas142%58%42%37%37%
Kentucky339%59%41%40%41%
Louisiana338%62%40%42%45%
Maine0NoneNone58%54%49%
Maryland159%40%62%56%57%
Massachusetts255%45%62%62%60%
Michigan250%49%57%51%51%
Minnesota351%48%54%51%48%
Mississippi0NoneNone43%40%41%
Missouri341%58%49%46%47%
Montana0NoneNone47%39%33%
Nebraska138%61%42%33%33%
Nevada344%56%55%48%46%
New Hampshire349%51%54%50%47%
New Jersey153%47%57%53%56%
New Mexico154%46%57%49%48%
New York356%44%63%58%60%
North Carolina344%55%50%44%43%
North Dakota341%57%45%36%33%
Ohio347%52%51%49%46%
Oklahoma138%62%34%34%38%
Oregon150%49%57%51%47%
Pennsylvania346%53%54%51%51%
Rhode Island262%38%63%59%61%
South Carolina145%54%45%41%41%
South Dakota242%57%45%38%38%
Tennessee136%62%42%43%47%
Texas339%59%44%38%38%
Utah0NoneNone34%26%26%
Vermont160%39%67%59%51%
Virginia249%51%53%45%44%
Washington352%47%57%53%50%
West Virginia0NoneNone43%43%46%
Wisconsin348%51%56%50%48%
Wyoming131%68%33%29%28%
NATIONAL48%51%53%48%48%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 11, 2010, 10:20:13 PM
This is the map that goes with Sam's first chart: Blue is tie, Red Disapprove and Green Approve.

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Even prior to redistricting, giving Obama the ties, and giving all the unpolled states except WV and MS, he ends up 198 EV's.  With redistricting, they may be net loss of 4-6 EV's.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on April 11, 2010, 10:35:59 PM
Obama Job Approval chart - RASMUSSEN LAST POLL
Updated April 11, 2010

Methodology (at this point - will probably start narrowing closer to 2010 elections)

- This chart covers the last Rasmussen Poll in each state so long as under six months old.
- National number is an amalgamation of 2008/2004 turnout with certain additional variables.
- Virginia Gov/Massachusetts Special/New Jersey polls ignored.

State# of PollsObama ApprovalObama Disapproval2008 Obama2004 Kerry2000 Gore
Alabama142%58%39%37%42%
Alaska0NoneNone38%36%28%
Arizona142%56%45%44%45%
Arkansas137%61%39%45%46%
California158%42%61%54%53%
Colorado142%57%54%47%42%
Connecticut154%46%61%54%56%
D. C.0NoneNone92%89%85%
Delaware151%48%62%53%55%
Florida143%55%51%47%49%
Georgia144%54%47%41%43%
Hawaii177%23%72%54%56%
Idaho130%70%36%30%28%
Illinois158%41%62%55%55%
Indiana139%60%50%39%41%
Iowa150%49%54%49%49%
Kansas142%58%42%37%37%
Kentucky138%62%41%40%41%
Louisiana137%62%40%42%45%
Maine0NoneNone58%54%49%
Maryland159%40%62%56%57%
Massachusetts156%44%62%62%60%
Michigan148%50%57%51%51%
Minnesota149%49%54%51%48%
Mississippi0NoneNone43%40%41%
Missouri140%59%49%46%47%
Montana0NoneNone47%39%33%
Nebraska138%61%42%33%33%
Nevada142%58%55%48%46%
New Hampshire149%50%54%50%47%
New Jersey153%47%57%53%56%
New Mexico154%46%57%49%48%
New York154%46%63%58%60%
North Carolina142%57%50%44%43%
North Dakota144%55%45%36%33%
Ohio146%53%51%49%46%
Oklahoma138%62%34%34%38%
Oregon150%49%57%51%47%
Pennsylvania148%51%54%51%51%
Rhode Island161%39%63%59%61%
South Carolina145%54%45%41%41%
South Dakota143%55%45%38%38%
Tennessee136%62%42%43%47%
Texas136%63%44%38%38%
Utah0NoneNone34%26%26%
Vermont160%39%67%59%51%
Virginia148%51%53%45%44%
Washington154%43%57%53%50%
West Virginia0NoneNone43%43%46%
Wisconsin152%48%56%50%48%
Wyoming131%68%33%29%28%
NATIONAL48%51%53%48%48%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on April 11, 2010, 10:36:32 PM
I'll do the Non-Rasmussen one tomorrow.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 12, 2010, 09:18:50 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% +1

Disapprove 52% -2


"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.

A slight shift and opposite direction from Gallup.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 12, 2010, 11:52:37 AM
Rasmussen, Florida -- Republicans only:

Just 15% of Florida Republicans approve of Obama’s performance as president, with eight percent (8%) who strongly approve. Eighty-three percent (83%) disapprove of the job he is doing, including 71% who strongly disapprove.

Needless to say, the Senate campaign of Charlie Crist has melted down.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 12, 2010, 01:58:55 PM
Louisiana, Rasmussen... Yawn! (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/louisiana/election_2010_louisiana_senate)

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Obama lost Louisiana to John McCain by a 59% to 40% margin in November 2008, so perhaps it’s no surprise to find that the president earns just 40% approval for his job performance, while 59% disapprove. This includes 31% who strongly approve and 53% who strongly disapprove. This gives Obama a job approval rating in the state that is lower than views nationally in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll.


Louisiana must be very liberal on sex, but not much else: David Vitter is leading Charlie Melancon by a huge margin in the Senate race, 52-36. Marginal improvement for President Obama, not that it is likely to matter.

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Mixed approval and favorability (the latter California, Georgia, Michigan, and Ohio only):

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The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll

28 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House, and of these Alabama has two polls saying the same thing; those in Wisconsin contradict.

Georgia is favorability, and 45% favorability suggests about a 46% vote. 41% approval would have about the same effect.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  144
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  4
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  69
white                        too close to call  13
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  18
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   55
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 21  








Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: exopolitician on April 12, 2010, 05:42:04 PM
So his numbers haven't changed at all since Nov 2008. Who knew.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on April 12, 2010, 09:10:38 PM
Obama Job Approval chart - ALL NON-RASMUSSEN POLLS
Updated April 12, 2010

Methodology (at this point - will probably start narrowing closer to 2010 elections)

- All polls per state done in last six weeks (must be started after Feb 21 for this week), maximum one poll per firm.
- Other polls done in last six months can be included, but no more than three polls per state can be outside the six week envelope and if more than three polls done in last six weeks, no polls before that.  (also if one poll done in last six weeks, then only two can be included in six month period, two polls, then one, etc).
- No favorable polls; no excellent/good/fair/poor polls; no Rutgers-Eagleton/Strategic Vision/any other questionable company; no partisan/internals, my judgment as to what is prevails
- National number is an amalgamation of 2008/2004 turnout with certain additional variables.
- Virginia Gov/Massachusetts Special polls ignored.  New Jersey Gov polls wouldn't be included under the methodology anyways.
- No Rasmussen polls in this one.

State# of PollsObama ApprovalObama Disapproval2008 Obama2004 Kerry2000 Gore
Alabama239%58%39%37%42%
Alaska137%56%38%36%28%
Arizona148%48%45%44%45%
Arkansas238%60%39%45%46%
California455%38%61%54%53%
Colorado147%50%54%47%42%
Connecticut254%40%61%54%56%
D. C.0NoneNone92%89%85%
Delaware153%41%62%53%55%
Florida346%50%51%47%49%
Georgia242%55%47%41%43%
Hawaii0NoneNone72%54%56%
Idaho135%54%36%30%28%
Illinois150%42%62%55%55%
Indiana0NoneNone50%39%41%
Iowa248%48%54%49%49%
Kansas137%61%42%37%37%
Kentucky237%59%41%40%41%
Louisiana0NoneNone40%42%45%
Maine0NoneNone58%54%49%
Maryland258%32%62%56%57%
Massachusetts0NoneNone62%62%60%
Michigan0NoneNone57%51%51%
Minnesota0NoneNone54%51%48%
Mississippi0NoneNone43%40%41%
Missouri244%52%49%46%47%
Montana137%53%47%39%33%
Nebraska0NoneNone42%33%33%
Nevada144%52%55%48%46%
New Hampshire148%47%54%50%47%
New Jersey354%39%57%53%56%
New Mexico145%48%57%49%48%
New York257%39%63%58%60%
North Carolina348%46%50%44%43%
North Dakota0NoneNone45%36%33%
Ohio445%50%51%49%46%
Oklahoma136%58%34%34%38%
Oregon148%50%57%51%47%
Pennsylvania345%50%54%51%51%
Rhode Island0NoneNone63%59%61%
South Carolina247%45%45%41%41%
South Dakota141%52%45%38%38%
Tennessee142%51%42%43%47%
Texas338%54%44%38%38%
Utah238%60%34%26%26%
Vermont163%33%67%59%51%
Virginia144%54%53%45%44%
Washington146%49%57%53%50%
West Virginia0NoneNone43%43%46%
Wisconsin346%49%56%50%48%
Wyoming0NoneNone33%29%28%
NATIONAL47%47%53%48%48%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on April 12, 2010, 09:12:01 PM
pbrower is missing a PA approval for Obama from Muhlenberg College at 45% approve, 50% approve.

I'll probably update these numbers every one or two weeks.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 12, 2010, 11:00:23 PM
pbrower is missing a PA approval for Obama from Muhlenberg College at 45% approve, 50% approve.

I'll probably update these numbers every one or two weeks.

It is still consistent with the image that I show on my map. 45-49%  approval with higher disapproval appears sand yellow.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Iosif on April 13, 2010, 11:21:40 AM
Rasmussen has Obama at 49-50 today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 13, 2010, 09:24:28 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 49% +1

Disapprove 50% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 13, 2010, 09:33:49 PM



Gallup Obama

Approve: 46% +1

Disapprove: 46% -2

Bad sample dropping off?



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 14, 2010, 09:36:45 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 50% +1

Disapprove 49% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 32%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -1.


This is the first time Obama's positive number were ahead of his negative since 2/3/10.

It could be a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 14, 2010, 10:02:05 AM



Gallup Obama

Approve: 46% +1

Disapprove: 46% -2

Bad sample dropping off?




Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 50% +1

Disapprove 49% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 32%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -1.


This is the first time Obama's positive number were ahead of his negative since 2/3/10.

It could be a bad sample.


If good, it will show up in statewide samples. More attention has gone to foreign policy, the stronger area of Obama's Presidency. 



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 14, 2010, 10:03:19 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 50% +1

Disapprove 49% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 32%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -1.


This is the first time Obama's positive number were ahead of his negative since 2/3/10.

It could be a bad sample.

Rass has had Obama up for the past few days. A trend possibly?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 14, 2010, 10:12:32 AM
Pennsylvania, Rasmussen, 4-12-2010 (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/pennsylvania/2010_senate_election/election_2010_pennsylvania_senate)

Nothing changes with this poll.


1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly
approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been

doing?

29% Strongly approve

17% Somewhat approve

12% Somewhat disapprove

42% Strongly disapprove

1% Not sure

California, April 12 (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/california/toplines/toplines_2010_california_senate_april_12_2010)

California State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted April 12, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports



1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

37% Strongly approve
20% Somewhat approve
6% Somewhat disapprove
35% Strongly disapprove
1% Not sure

Letter change, only

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Mixed approval and favorability (the latter California, Georgia, Michigan, and Ohio only):

(
)

The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll

28 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.

Georgia is favorability, and 45% favorability suggests about a 46% vote. 41% approval would have about the same effect.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  144
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  4
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  69
white                        too close to call  13
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  18
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   55
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 21  

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

Favorability is probably 1% below the vote.  This model applies only to incumbents who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.









Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 14, 2010, 11:24:41 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 50% +1

Disapprove 49% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 32%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -1.


This is the first time Obama's positive number were ahead of his negative since 2/3/10.

It could be a bad sample.

Rass has had Obama up for the past few days. A trend possibly?

Only the past three days, including today.  One sample will drop off tomorrow.  If it hold for 4-5 days, you are looking at a potential trend.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Iosif on April 14, 2010, 12:22:08 PM
Rasmussen is compensating for having Obama in positive approval but having him 44-42 behind 'Tea Party' and only one up on Ron Paul.

Gallup

Approve 49 (+3)
Disapprove 45 (-1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 14, 2010, 01:09:27 PM
Rasmussen methodology:

Quote
Our baseline targets are established based upon separate survey interviews with a sample of adults nationwide completed during the preceding three months (a total of 45,000 interviews) and targets are updated monthly. Currently, the baseline targets for the adult population are 35.3% Democrats, 32.8% Republicans, and 31.9% unaffiliated. Likely voter samples typically show a slightly smaller advantage for the Democrats.

It could be more applicable to 2010 than to 2008 -- or 2012. Apparently, Scott Rasmussen assumes that Republicans are more likely to vote.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 15, 2010, 12:22:44 AM
Pennsylvania (Susquehanna):

42% Approve
49% Disapprove

This statewide poll was conducted April 7-12 with 700 likely general election voters for Premium Access Members and general distribution purposes. The margin of error for a sample size of 700 is +/-3.7% at the 95% confidence level, but 6.1% for the sub sample of 254 Republicans and 4.9% for the sub sample of 400 Democrats (which includes an oversample).

http://www.scribd.com/doc/29914043/April-2010-Susquehanna-Research-Poll


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 15, 2010, 01:21:20 AM
Pennsylvania (Susquehanna):

42% Approve
49% Disapprove

This statewide poll was conducted April 7-12 with 700 likely general election voters for Premium Access Members and general distribution purposes. The margin of error for a sample size of 700 is +/-3.7% at the 95% confidence level, but 6.1% for the sub sample of 254 Republicans and 4.9% for the sub sample of 400 Democrats (which includes an oversample).

http://www.scribd.com/doc/29914043/April-2010-Susquehanna-Research-Poll

I can't use it: pollster entirely for Republican and "conservative" interests.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on April 15, 2010, 02:04:08 AM
Pennsylvania (Susquehanna):

42% Approve
49% Disapprove

This statewide poll was conducted April 7-12 with 700 likely general election voters for Premium Access Members and general distribution purposes. The margin of error for a sample size of 700 is +/-3.7% at the 95% confidence level, but 6.1% for the sub sample of 254 Republicans and 4.9% for the sub sample of 400 Democrats (which includes an oversample).

http://www.scribd.com/doc/29914043/April-2010-Susquehanna-Research-Poll

I can't use it: pollster entirely for Republican and "conservative" interests.

Use me, pbrower.  Use me.  I'm not too conservative to satisfy your sexual fantasies, baby.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on April 15, 2010, 08:37:12 AM
Pennsylvania (Susquehanna):

42% Approve
49% Disapprove

This statewide poll was conducted April 7-12 with 700 likely general election voters for Premium Access Members and general distribution purposes. The margin of error for a sample size of 700 is +/-3.7% at the 95% confidence level, but 6.1% for the sub sample of 254 Republicans and 4.9% for the sub sample of 400 Democrats (which includes an oversample).

http://www.scribd.com/doc/29914043/April-2010-Susquehanna-Research-Poll

I can't use it: pollster entirely for Republican and "conservative" interests.

They do business with Republican candidates and not Democrats, but they also do work with non-partisan clients: the American Lung Association, ABC27 News, and the Pittsburgh Tribune Review Newspaper to name three.

Not saying you should use it, but it's not an exclusively Republican pollster.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on April 15, 2010, 10:29:28 AM
Sure, pbrower, ignore my advances. I'll play rough.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 15, 2010, 01:08:35 PM
New York (Quinnipiac):

62% Approve
33% Disapprove

From April 6 - 11, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,381 New York State registered voters, with a margin of error of +/- 2.6 percentage points. The survey includes 411 Republicans with a margin of error of +/- 4.8 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1443


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on April 15, 2010, 01:35:59 PM
SUSA - look at website for details

CA - 55% A, 40% D
KS - 34% A, 62% D
OR - 47% A, 48% D
WA - 51% A, 45% D


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 15, 2010, 01:47:40 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% -2

Disapprove 51% +2


"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.

Probably a bad sample dropping out.

Gallup is unchanged at 49/45.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 15, 2010, 01:56:28 PM

SurveyUSA polls added. CA shows an average with a Rasmussen poll -- no change. Others change nothing except as an update: 

(
)


Mixed approval and favorability (the latter Georgia and Michigan only):

(
)

The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), and more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Z- no recent poll

31 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.

Georgia is favorability, and 45% favorability suggests about a 46% vote. 41% approval would have about the same effect.

(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  132
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  16
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  76
white                        too close to call  13
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  18
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   55
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 33  

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

Favorability is probably 1% below the vote.  This model applies only to incumbents who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.










Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 15, 2010, 01:58:59 PM
SurveyUSA polls -- I checked and I saw only obsolete polls (mid-March).

WA:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=bd5ed44a-5502-47e4-923b-7f933b1700be

OR:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=0b54b35a-c0fb-491e-84b1-109fa0a31f0e

KS:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=cb9dc9bb-12d3-4a09-a8f0-02c8f8714f8f

CA:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=5f22fad2-4f28-4fa7-8060-56b1373628e3

All done between April 9 and 11.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 16, 2010, 09:10:11 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47% +1

Disapprove 52% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +2.


Just a bad sample dropping off.

(Fixed.  I transposed the numbers.)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Edu on April 16, 2010, 09:14:36 AM
Wasn't he 48 - 51 yesterday? or did you make a typo?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 16, 2010, 09:31:32 AM

Colorado (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/colorado/toplines/toplines_colorado_governor_s_race_april_13_2010)

Colorado Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted April 14, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports



1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

33% Strongly approve
11% Somewhat approve
5% Somewhat disapprove
52% Strongly disapprove
0% Not sure


Utah again, in case you missed it after I accidentally erased it (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/utah/toplines/toplines_utah_governor_april_8_2010)

Utah State Survey of 1,000 Likely Voters

Conducted April 8, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports



1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

19% Strongly approve

10% Somewhat approve

11% Somewhat disapprove

58% Strongly disapprove

1% Not sure

Quinnipiac update in New York State, too:


(
)

Mixed approval and favorability (the latter Georgia and Michigan only):

(
)

The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

31 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.

Georgia is favorability, and 45% favorability suggests about a 46% vote. 41% approval would have about the same effect.

(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  132
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  16
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  76
white                        too close to call  22
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  9
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   55
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 33  

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

Favorability is probably 1% below the vote.  This model applies only to incumbents who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.











Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on April 16, 2010, 12:06:18 PM
It's a typo...it's 47/52 in today's Rasmussen.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 16, 2010, 03:07:21 PM



Gallup Obama

Approve: 49% u

Disapprove: 45% -1



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 16, 2010, 06:11:21 PM
Arizona State Survey of 500 Likely Voters (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010election_2010_senate_elections/arizona/toplines/toplines_arizona_senate_april_13_2010)

Conducted April 13, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

28% Strongly approve

13% Somewhat approve

8% Somewhat disapprove

50% Strongly disapprove

1% Not sure


(
)

Mixed approval and favorability (the latter Georgia and Michigan only):

(
)

The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow 
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

31 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.

Georgia is favorability, and 45% favorability suggests about a 46% vote. 41% approval would have about the same effect.

(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  132
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  16
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  76
white                        too close to call  22
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  9
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   55
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
  33 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

Favorability is probably 1% below the vote.  This model applies only to incumbents who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.












Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 17, 2010, 12:13:51 AM
Some favorable ratings for Obama by R2000/DailyKos:

Arkansas: 38% Favorable, 60% Unfavorable

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2010/4/14/AR/473

Hawaii-01: 61% Favorable, 35% Unfavorable

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2010/4/14/HI/479


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 17, 2010, 10:09:09 AM

Some favorable ratings for Obama by R2000/DailyKos:

Arkansas: 38% Favorable, 60% Unfavorable

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2010/4/14/AR/473

Hawaii-01: 61% Favorable, 35% Unfavorable

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2010/4/14/HI/479

Hawaii -- one Congressional district, so I can't use it at all (if it were in Maine or Nebraska -- note the boxes, then I could). Arkansas -- marginally useful. R2000 seems to read much like approval but it is favorable/unfavorable, and it is at most a marginal change.


(
)

Mixed approval and favorability (the latter, Arkansas,  Georgia, and Michigan only):

(
)

The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow 
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

31 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.

Georgia is favorability, and 45% favorability suggests about a 46% vote. 41% approval would have about the same effect.

(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  132
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  16
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  76
white                        too close to call  22
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  9
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   55
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
  33 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

Favorability is probably 1% below the vote.  This model applies only to incumbents who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on April 17, 2010, 11:45:37 AM
Pennsylvania (Susquehanna):

42% Approve
49% Disapprove

This statewide poll was conducted April 7-12 with 700 likely general election voters for Premium Access Members and general distribution purposes. The margin of error for a sample size of 700 is +/-3.7% at the 95% confidence level, but 6.1% for the sub sample of 254 Republicans and 4.9% for the sub sample of 400 Democrats (which includes an oversample).

http://www.scribd.com/doc/29914043/April-2010-Susquehanna-Research-Poll

I can't use it: pollster entirely for Republican and "conservative" interests.

They do business with Republican candidates and not Democrats, but they also do work with non-partisan clients: the American Lung Association, ABC27 News, and the Pittsburgh Tribune Review Newspaper to name three.

Not saying you should use it, but it's not an exclusively Republican pollster.

The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review is not non-partisan. It's owner, Richard Mellon Scaife, has for decades been the sugar daddy for far far right causes (e.g. the "Clinton had Vince Foster murdered" crowd, etc.). The Trib-Review accordingly makes Fox News look---well, fair and balanced.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on April 17, 2010, 11:55:42 AM
Where's RB :(


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 17, 2010, 12:47:00 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45% -2

Disapprove 54% +2


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, +2.


It could be a sample problem.

Gallup, however, is showing a drop as well. 

Approve 46% -3

Disapprove 46% +2


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 17, 2010, 01:02:31 PM
Pennsylvania (Susquehanna):

42% Approve
49% Disapprove

This statewide poll was conducted April 7-12 with 700 likely general election voters for Premium Access Members and general distribution purposes. The margin of error for a sample size of 700 is +/-3.7% at the 95% confidence level, but 6.1% for the sub sample of 254 Republicans and 4.9% for the sub sample of 400 Democrats (which includes an oversample).

http://www.scribd.com/doc/29914043/April-2010-Susquehanna-Research-Poll

I can't use it: pollster entirely for Republican and "conservative" interests.

They do business with Republican candidates and not Democrats, but they also do work with non-partisan clients: the American Lung Association, ABC27 News, and the Pittsburgh Tribune Review Newspaper to name three.

Not saying you should use it, but it's not an exclusively Republican pollster.

The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review is not non-partisan. It's owner, Richard Mellon Scaife, has for decades been the sugar daddy for far far right causes (e.g. the "Clinton had Vince Foster murdered" crowd, etc.). The Trib-Review accordingly makes Fox News look---well, fair and balanced.

Nice research. I checked the newspaper's website and found an editorial titled "A prescription against tyranny" praising the urologist who said that he would no longer treat anyone who supported Barack Obama in the 2008 election.  That is very different from an advocacy of "Repeal and Reform" (part of the political mainstream, if a fraudulent slogan) Only a right-wing extremist could praise such a decision. Partisan politics is not an appropriate matter in deciding whom to treat and whom not to treat in a medical practice.

 




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 18, 2010, 09:38:24 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47% +2

Disapprove 52% -2


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -2.

Fixed typo.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Iosif on April 18, 2010, 10:59:07 AM
47+54=101


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: justW353 on April 18, 2010, 11:03:51 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47% +2

Disapprove 54% -2


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -2.




Huh?

It's 47% to 52%...

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 18, 2010, 03:05:22 PM
Gallup Obama National

Approve:  47 +1

Disapprove:  46 (u)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 19, 2010, 08:35:23 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% +1

Disapprove 51% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -2.


Bad sample dropped off?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 19, 2010, 11:32:10 AM
TEXAS

related to a gubernatorial race that is getting closer than one might expect  -- except that Rick Perry is a nut (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/texas/toplines/toplines_2010_texas_governor_april_14_2010)


Texas Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted April 14, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

29% Strongly approve

13% Somewhat approve

6% Somewhat disapprove

52% Strongly disapprove

1% Not sure

Close to the vote of 2008, which says much in itself.

Texas has no obvious analogue in any other state. It drifted sharply D (although McCain won it decisively) in a Presidential race involving nobody named Bush in 2008. It straddles geographic regions. Demographics are probably more like Florida than anything else -- which shows how reliable demographics are in predicting an election.

500 voters is probably too small a sample size in Texas due to its geographic diversity, so the state 'jumps' wildly in the polls.  Not even California is so capricious.

President Obama's win of Indiana in 2008 looks like a fluke this time (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/indiana/toplines/toplines_2010_indiana_senate_april_13_14_2010). The Republicans are likely to win the Senate seat that Evan Bayh retired from.     


(
)

Mixed approval and favorability (the latter, Arkansas,  Georgia, and Michigan only):

(
)

The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

34 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.

Georgia is favorability, and 45% favorability suggests about a 46% vote. 41% approval would have about the same effect.

(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  132
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  16
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  76
white                        too close to call  22
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  46
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   55
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 44  

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

Favorability is probably 1% below the vote.  This model applies only to incumbents who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on April 19, 2010, 01:24:38 PM
Per Quinnipiac, Obama back at positive approval in Florida

50% approve

45% disapprove

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1446


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 19, 2010, 01:56:08 PM

The one I most wanted to see even if the result were different:

FLORIDA  

Per Quinnipiac, Obama back at positive approval in Florida

50% approve

45% disapprove

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1446

and one that changes nothing (Pennsylvania):

Pennsylvania State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Quote
Conducted April 15, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President-Elect… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

31% Strongly approve

17% Somewhat approve

11% Somewhat disapprove

41% Strongly disapprove

1% Not sure



(
)

Mixed approval and favorability (the latter, Arkansas,  Georgia, and Michigan only):

(
)

The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

35 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.

Georgia is favorability, and 45% favorability suggests about a 46% vote. 41% approval would have about the same effect.

(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  132
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  44
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  76
white                        too close to call  22
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  46
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   55
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 44  

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

Favorability is probably 1% below the vote.  This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on April 19, 2010, 01:59:06 PM
Per Quinnipiac, Obama back at positive approval in Florida

50% approve

45% disapprove

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1446

Pretty surprised by that tbh.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on April 19, 2010, 02:06:55 PM
Per Quinnipiac, Obama back at positive approval in Florida

50% approve

45% disapprove

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1446

Pretty surprised by that tbh.

Same here. It could be wrong but Quinnipiac is usually pretty good and it doesn't look that ridiculous, I suppose.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 19, 2010, 02:21:12 PM
Per Quinnipiac, Obama back at positive approval in Florida

50% approve

45% disapprove

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1446

Pretty surprised by that tbh.

It's hard to figure. Is Obama gaining in the southeastern quadrant (Arkansas and Kentucky excepted) and losing some in the Rust Belt?

Sure, I have normed polls -- approval to up to 6% to estimate the vote, favorability to about 1% less than the likely vote... but Obama is doing significantly better in Texas than in Indiana -- same day and the same polling organization, which I would have never expected roughly 17 months after the election, and about as well in North Carolina (which he barely carried in 2008) as in Pennsylvania (which he carried decisively). Wisconsin glares with a one-state outfit (I accept college and university polls if the college or university isn't suspect -- like ultra-liberal Antioch College in Ohio or ultra-conservative Liberty University in Virginia).

34 states have had some sort of statewide poll, even if it is a "favorability" poll or a poll by a one-state operation.

Polls that I would most like to see:

New Jersey (size alone)
Georgia, Michigan (size, and only a favorability poll is out there for each)
Virginia (swing state)
South Carolina (strange things happening)
Oregon, Pennsylvania (I don't fully trust SurveyUSA)
Wisconsin (strange poll)
Maine, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska (include its districts which vote differently) Tennessee, West Virginia (long time, no see)
 

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 19, 2010, 02:24:18 PM

Gallup Obama National

Approve:  48 +1

Disapprove:  46 (u)



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on April 19, 2010, 03:58:28 PM
So, the second map on your posts is what you think the Presidential election would be? If so, you're saying that despite the fact Obama has had negative approvals in most of the Florida polls, some very negative, because he has a mere 50% approval there, he would win by 5-9 points. That doesn't make logical sense.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 19, 2010, 06:16:26 PM
So, the second map on your posts is what you think the Presidential election would be? If so, you're saying that despite the fact Obama has had negative approvals in most of the Florida polls, some very negative, because he has a mere 50% approval there, he would win by 5-9 points. That doesn't make logical sense.

The screwy one is Texas 42% and Indiana 39%. I would not have expected that. But if Texas is genuine at 42%, Florida at 50% is not off the mark by much. My map shows Indiana out of reach in 2012 should things stay as they are, Texas surprisingly close, and Florida stronger than some Northern states that Obama won by 10%+ margins.   Strange things can and will happen.

Approval by "likely voters" is likely to be less than the percentage at the poll. For one thing, many voters may have to choose between two candidates that they disapprove of (think of 1976). Such voters might

1. Not vote
2. Vote for a third-party or independent candidate
3. Hold one's nose and vote for one or the other.

Option 1 increases the percentage of an incumbent's vote by reducing the popular vote without reducing the number of votes for the incumbent.

Option 2 does nothing to increase or decrease the number or percentage of votes for the incumbent.

Option 3 splits the difference. 

Nate Silver suggests that the break-even point for winning is 44% nationwide approval for an incumbent. Very rarely does a strong incumbent with approval in the 50%+ range face a strong challenger. Below 44% approval, a weak challenger has a chance (a weak Republican challenger would have defeated Jimmy Carter in 1980) and a strong one has an overwhelming chance of victory. I assume that what applies to the nation also applies individually to states, so if Obama has a 44% approval rating in North Dakota, he has about a 50-50 chance of winning. Below that the chance of winning drops precipitously to near 0%, and above that the chance of winning rises precipitously to 100%.

Since 1900, incumbents have won 13 of 18 Presidential elections in which they ran. Right now I can't calculate statistical significance, but I figure that there is something to it. Even a weak incumbent with huge faults -- the prime example George W. Bush in 2004 -- could have an approval below 50% and still win. He faced a weak challenger who ran an inept campaign.  To be sure, someone as adept as Obama in 2008 or Clinton in 1992 would have beaten Dubya... but neither was available.

The incumbent has plenty of news coverage, the ability to cut deals with local politicians (a highway project here, a water project there), the need to shore up political allies in trouble (it generally works for both if it is done wisely -- no scandals, of course), the ability to get advertising time to complement the news coverage, and such impressive perquisites as Air Force One and the Presidential Seal. He may have had the opportunity to appear where there has been a natural or man-made disaster and act Presidential. So long as  the economy  goes well, then it's hard for him to lose unless he has a scandal break.

Of course if he is incompetent, then none of that matters and is in fact is a detriment. If about 55% of the public thinks "... and this guy is President?" with derisive humor following, then everything associated with the Presidency reminds people why a majority want someone else riding on Air Force One, someone else making news conferences, and a different face appearing above the Presidential Seal on a podium.

I find a 50% approval of Obama in Florida hard to believe , just as I found recent 44% approvals in places like Minnesota, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin hard to believe. But he is doing better in the South (except in Arkansas and Kentucky). Take good looks at Alabama, North Carolina, and Texas.

So here's how I norm approval polls to estimates of votes: because 44% is a break-even point for an incumbent (if not a challenger!)  I am treating those as 50% of the vote -- the 50% of the vote that matters, which does not include non-votes and wasted votes for third-party candidates. Add 6% for approval ratings between 39% and 45%, 5% for approval at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% at 51% and 3% for 52% to 54%. Above 54% the incumbent needs no assistance because he will win the state by 10% or more, and at 39% or lower he is likely to lose the state by 10% or more.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on April 19, 2010, 08:12:27 PM
I find a 50% approval of Obama in Florida hard to believe , just as I found recent 44% approvals in places like Minnesota, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin hard to believe. But he is doing better in the South (except in Arkansas and Kentucky). Take good looks at Alabama, North Carolina, and Texas.

Could Florida's result be related to the number of retirees? Healthcare issues tend to resound with older voters, although perhaps many of them have insurance, so maybe not. Perhaps Alabama, North Carolina, Texas, etc have more people likely to benefit from public healthcare, whereas some of the northern states may have a greater proportion of people who already have insurance and don't want to see their tax dollars going towards that.

Just thinking... this sort of economic policy focus could be the realignment we speculate about every now and then. Recent elections have been focused on social issues - hence the South being strongly Republican and the North being strongly Democrat, but obviously between the GFC and Healthcare debates, perhaps people are focusing more on the economic debate. That would make the Democrats more competitive in the South and places like Kansas and other areas with more voters with below-average incomes, while making Republicans more competitive in places like New England. I'm probably talking rubbish, but just thought I'd put it out there for discussion.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on April 19, 2010, 09:19:41 PM
Do you all think if Obama flips Texas to Democrat (the largest surprise we could think of probably), should the Republican Party really reimagine themselves?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 19, 2010, 10:38:13 PM
I find a 50% approval of Obama in Florida hard to believe , just as I found recent 44% approvals in places like Minnesota, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin hard to believe. But he is doing better in the South (except in Arkansas and Kentucky). Take good looks at Alabama, North Carolina, and Texas.

Could Florida's result be related to the number of retirees? Healthcare issues tend to resound with older voters, although perhaps many of them have insurance, so maybe not. Perhaps Alabama, North Carolina, Texas, etc have more people likely to benefit from public healthcare, whereas some of the northern states may have a greater proportion of people who already have insurance and don't want to see their tax dollars going towards that.

Just thinking... this sort of economic policy focus could be the realignment we speculate about every now and then. Recent elections have been focused on social issues - hence the South being strongly Republican and the North being strongly Democrat, but obviously between the GFC and Healthcare debates, perhaps people are focusing more on the economic debate. That would make the Democrats more competitive in the South and places like Kansas and other areas with more voters with below-average incomes, while making Republicans more competitive in places like New England. I'm probably talking rubbish, but just thought I'd put it out there for discussion.

The donut hole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donut_Hole_%28Medicare%29) is one of the first things that seniors see being (partially) phased away through the 2010 legislation.

As it is, seniors pay the first $295 of prescription costs, 25% of that between $295 and $2700, and the entire amount between $2750 and $6254, before the government picks up 95% of the amount over $6155. People with chronic conditions (diabetes is a prime example) can have their money eaten.

It's worth noting that although Florida is near the national average in income, the rest of the South (including Texas)... is below the national average. Poverty itself is a health hazard in its own right. Poor people are likely to get better access to health care.

What is good for poor blacks is also good for poor whites. Obama did badly with poor Southern whites in 2008, most likely on "cultural" issues -- contrast Clinton and Carter.     



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: old timey villain on April 19, 2010, 10:43:33 PM
I find a 50% approval of Obama in Florida hard to believe , just as I found recent 44% approvals in places like Minnesota, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin hard to believe. But he is doing better in the South (except in Arkansas and Kentucky). Take good looks at Alabama, North Carolina, and Texas.

Could Florida's result be related to the number of retirees? Healthcare issues tend to resound with older voters, although perhaps many of them have insurance, so maybe not. Perhaps Alabama, North Carolina, Texas, etc have more people likely to benefit from public healthcare, whereas some of the northern states may have a greater proportion of people who already have insurance and don't want to see their tax dollars going towards that.

Just thinking... this sort of economic policy focus could be the realignment we speculate about every now and then. Recent elections have been focused on social issues - hence the South being strongly Republican and the North being strongly Democrat, but obviously between the GFC and Healthcare debates, perhaps people are focusing more on the economic debate. That would make the Democrats more competitive in the South and places like Kansas and other areas with more voters with below-average incomes, while making Republicans more competitive in places like New England. I'm probably talking rubbish, but just thought I'd put it out there for discussion.

The donut hole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donut_Hole_%28Medicare%29) is one of the first things that seniors see being (partially) phased away through the 2010 legislation.

As it is, seniors pay the first $295 of prescription costs, 25% of that between $295 and $2700, and the entire amount between $2750 and $6254, before the government picks up 95% of the amount over $6155. People with chronic conditions (diabetes is a prime example) can have their money eaten.

It's worth noting that although Florida is near the national average in income, the rest of the South (including Texas)... is below the national average. Poverty itself is a health hazard in its own right. Poor people are likely to get better access to health care.

What is good for poor blacks is also good for poor whites. Obama did badly with poor Southern whites in 2008, most likely on "cultural" issues -- contrast Clinton and Carter.     
haha "cultural issues". A nice way of saying that they didn't want to vote for the black guy.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 19, 2010, 10:49:39 PM
I find a 50% approval of Obama in Florida hard to believe , just as I found recent 44% approvals in places like Minnesota, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin hard to believe. But he is doing better in the South (except in Arkansas and Kentucky). Take good looks at Alabama, North Carolina, and Texas.

Could Florida's result be related to the number of retirees? Healthcare issues tend to resound with older voters, although perhaps many of them have insurance, so maybe not. Perhaps Alabama, North Carolina, Texas, etc have more people likely to benefit from public healthcare, whereas some of the northern states may have a greater proportion of people who already have insurance and don't want to see their tax dollars going towards that.

Just thinking... this sort of economic policy focus could be the realignment we speculate about every now and then. Recent elections have been focused on social issues - hence the South being strongly Republican and the North being strongly Democrat, but obviously between the GFC and Healthcare debates, perhaps people are focusing more on the economic debate. That would make the Democrats more competitive in the South and places like Kansas and other areas with more voters with below-average incomes, while making Republicans more competitive in places like New England. I'm probably talking rubbish, but just thought I'd put it out there for discussion.

The donut hole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donut_Hole_%28Medicare%29) is one of the first things that seniors see being (partially) phased away through the 2010 legislation.

As it is, seniors pay the first $295 of prescription costs, 25% of that between $295 and $2700, and the entire amount between $2750 and $6254, before the government picks up 95% of the amount over $6155. People with chronic conditions (diabetes is a prime example) can have their money eaten.

It's worth noting that although Florida is near the national average in income, the rest of the South (including Texas)... is below the national average. Poverty itself is a health hazard in its own right. Poor people are likely to get better access to health care.

What is good for poor blacks is also good for poor whites. Obama did badly with poor Southern whites in 2008, most likely on "cultural" issues -- contrast Clinton and Carter. 
   
haha "cultural issues". A nice way of saying that they didn't want to vote for the black guy.

It could also be that Barack Obama is a liberal Yankee instead of a Southern moderate. Kerry did almost as badly in the South in 2004, too, except from Virginia to Florida. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: old timey villain on April 19, 2010, 10:53:38 PM
I find a 50% approval of Obama in Florida hard to believe , just as I found recent 44% approvals in places like Minnesota, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin hard to believe. But he is doing better in the South (except in Arkansas and Kentucky). Take good looks at Alabama, North Carolina, and Texas.

Could Florida's result be related to the number of retirees? Healthcare issues tend to resound with older voters, although perhaps many of them have insurance, so maybe not. Perhaps Alabama, North Carolina, Texas, etc have more people likely to benefit from public healthcare, whereas some of the northern states may have a greater proportion of people who already have insurance and don't want to see their tax dollars going towards that.

Just thinking... this sort of economic policy focus could be the realignment we speculate about every now and then. Recent elections have been focused on social issues - hence the South being strongly Republican and the North being strongly Democrat, but obviously between the GFC and Healthcare debates, perhaps people are focusing more on the economic debate. That would make the Democrats more competitive in the South and places like Kansas and other areas with more voters with below-average incomes, while making Republicans more competitive in places like New England. I'm probably talking rubbish, but just thought I'd put it out there for discussion.

The donut hole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donut_Hole_%28Medicare%29) is one of the first things that seniors see being (partially) phased away through the 2010 legislation.

As it is, seniors pay the first $295 of prescription costs, 25% of that between $295 and $2700, and the entire amount between $2750 and $6254, before the government picks up 95% of the amount over $6155. People with chronic conditions (diabetes is a prime example) can have their money eaten.

It's worth noting that although Florida is near the national average in income, the rest of the South (including Texas)... is below the national average. Poverty itself is a health hazard in its own right. Poor people are likely to get better access to health care.

What is good for poor blacks is also good for poor whites. Obama did badly with poor Southern whites in 2008, most likely on "cultural" issues -- contrast Clinton and Carter. 
   
haha "cultural issues". A nice way of saying that they didn't want to vote for the black guy.

It could also be that Barack Obama is a liberal Yankee instead of a Southern moderate. Kerry did almost as badly in the South in 2004, too, except from Virginia to Florida. 

good point.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on April 20, 2010, 04:22:23 AM
I find a 50% approval of Obama in Florida hard to believe , just as I found recent 44% approvals in places like Minnesota, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin hard to believe. But he is doing better in the South (except in Arkansas and Kentucky). Take good looks at Alabama, North Carolina, and Texas.

Could Florida's result be related to the number of retirees? Healthcare issues tend to resound with older voters, although perhaps many of them have insurance, so maybe not. Perhaps Alabama, North Carolina, Texas, etc have more people likely to benefit from public healthcare, whereas some of the northern states may have a greater proportion of people who already have insurance and don't want to see their tax dollars going towards that.

Just thinking... this sort of economic policy focus could be the realignment we speculate about every now and then. Recent elections have been focused on social issues - hence the South being strongly Republican and the North being strongly Democrat, but obviously between the GFC and Healthcare debates, perhaps people are focusing more on the economic debate. That would make the Democrats more competitive in the South and places like Kansas and other areas with more voters with below-average incomes, while making Republicans more competitive in places like New England. I'm probably talking rubbish, but just thought I'd put it out there for discussion.

The donut hole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donut_Hole_%28Medicare%29) is one of the first things that seniors see being (partially) phased away through the 2010 legislation.

As it is, seniors pay the first $295 of prescription costs, 25% of that between $295 and $2700, and the entire amount between $2750 and $6254, before the government picks up 95% of the amount over $6155. People with chronic conditions (diabetes is a prime example) can have their money eaten.

It's worth noting that although Florida is near the national average in income, the rest of the South (including Texas)... is below the national average. Poverty itself is a health hazard in its own right. Poor people are likely to get better access to health care.

What is good for poor blacks is also good for poor whites. Obama did badly with poor Southern whites in 2008, most likely on "cultural" issues -- contrast Clinton and Carter.     



Yes - exactly what I was trying to say/ask.

Do you all think if Obama flips Texas to Democrat (the largest surprise we could think of probably), should the Republican Party really reimagine themselves?

Can't see it happening any time soon... even if the South starts trending back towards the Democrats (if for the reasons I floated earlier), it's likely that the Republicans will start to do better in other parts of the country. There is no "grand coalition" that encompasses the entire country and leads to a perpetual majority for either party.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 20, 2010, 09:29:38 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 49% +1

Disapprove 50% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -1.

If it holds, good news for Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 20, 2010, 12:08:14 PM
What do you know? Quinnipiac and Rasmussen essentially agree on Florida! (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/florida/toplines/toplines_florida_governor_april_15_2010)

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Florida Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted April 15, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly

approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s

been doing?

32% Strongly approve

19% Somewhat approve

9% Somewhat disapprove

40% Strongly disapprove

0% Not sure

I see no need to show a fresh map.

I would like to see Michigan, Minnesota, and Wisconsin again.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 20, 2010, 03:00:08 PM
PPP, New Hampshire, April 17-18 (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NH_420.pdf)

New Hampshire Survey Results
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance? If you
approve, press 1. If you disapprove, press 2.
If you’re not sure, press 3.
Approve .......................................................... 47%
Disapprove...................................................... 48%
Not Sure.......................................................... 5%



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Mixed approval and favorability (the latter, Arkansas,  Georgia, and Michigan only):

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The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

35 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.

Georgia is favorability, and 45% favorability suggests about a 46% vote. 41% approval would have about the same effect.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  132
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  40
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  80
white                        too close to call  22
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  46
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   55
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 44  

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

Favorability is probably 1% below the vote.  This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on April 20, 2010, 03:14:25 PM
Folks, you're trying to overexplain what's going on - which is rather obvious, when you think about it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 20, 2010, 04:44:47 PM

Gallup Obama National

Approve:  49 +1

Disapprove:  45 -1



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 20, 2010, 07:01:41 PM
Folks, you're trying to overexplain what's going on - which is rather obvious, when you think about it.

Sure. But we can see things happening as the polls show. Are approvals tending toward the mean? Do public appearances matter? Are people catching onto or continuing to reject legislation? Is interstate polarization becoming more or less intense?

I may be going off on a limb here, but President Obama had weak appearances in some statewide polls because he doesn't dare make appearances in those states. Example: Pennsylvania has a hot primary on May 18. President Obama dares not show favor to either Arlen Specter or to Joe Sestak. Once the primary is over, such will be no problem, as he will want to give every bit of campaign assistance to the winner of the Democratic primary. Likewise, Michigan has a hot gubernatorial primary. It is generally a good idea for a President to stay clear of primary contests. The general election is fair game, though.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 20, 2010, 11:22:28 PM
Quote from: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html
So says Nate Silver on Senatorial and Gubernatorial races:


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2.25.2010
The Myth of the Incumbent 50% Rule
by Nate Silver @ 9:04 AM


I don't like criticizing our good friends over at Pollster.com, but a Tuesday article by Pollster correspondent Robert Moran, also the Executive Vice President at StrategyOne, espouses a bit of conventional wisdom which happens to be completely wrong.

Citing a Quinnipiac poll that has Ohio incumbent governor Ted Strickland ahead of Republican challenger John Kasich by a margin of 44-39, Moran writes that:

    Barring some massive exogenous event, the next Governor of Ohio will be John Kasich. [...]

    In a two way race, political professionals don't even bother to look at the spread between the incumbent and the challenger, they only focus on the incumbent's support relative to 50%. Incumbents tend to get trace elements of the undecideds at the end of a campaign. Sure, there is the occasional exception, but this rule is fairly ironclad in my experience.

Although I have no particular comment on the dynamics of the Ohio race, which I have not spent much time following, Moran's general sentiment is demonstrably false. What the actual evidence shows, rather, is the following:

1) It is extremely common for an incumbent come back to win re-election while having less than 50 percent of the vote in early polls.

2) In comparison to early polls, there is no demonstrable tendency for challengers to pick up a larger share of the undecided vote than incumbents.

3) Incumbents almost always get a larger share of the actual vote than they do in early polls (as do challengers). They do not "get what they get in the tracking"; they almost always get more.

4) However, the incumbent's vote share in early polls may in fact be a better predictor of the final margin in the race than the opponent's vote share. That is, it may be proper to focus more on the incumbent's number than the opponent's when evaluating such a poll -- even though it is extremely improper to assume that the incumbent will not pick up any additional percentage of the vote.

This analysis focuses only on early polls: those conducted between January and June of an incumbent's election year. I do not attempt to evaluate such claims with respect to late polls, such as those conducted in the weeks immediately preceding an election. It is late polls which are traditionally the subject of the so-called "incumbent rule", which is the idea that voters who remain undecided late in the race tend to break toward the challenger at the ballot booth. (Note, however, the evidence for the late version of the incumbent rule is also mixed.)

For my study, I looked at all gubernatorial and Senate contests in the 2006, 2008 and 2009 election cycles in which (i) one of the candidates was an incumbent; (ii) there was at least one poll in the race conducted between January and June of the election year, as listed at Pollster.com, and (iii) the two major-party candidates collectively accounted for at least 90 percent of the vote in November. A total of 63 contests passed these screens and were included. Although the third criterion, which disposes of races in which there was a significant third-party vote, is not ideal in certain ways, it eliminates only 4 races and the conclusions here would not substantially change if they were included.

For the analysis, I took a simple average of all early polls as included in the Pollster.com database. In accordance with Pollster.com's practice, this includes partisan polls and multiple polls conducted by the same pollster. In the vast majority of races, at least two polls were available.

The analysis is summarized in the graph below. Along the horizontal axis, we have the average vote share that the incumbent candidate received in early polls; along the vertical, his actual share of the vote in the November election. The circle denoting each race is filled-in in the event of elections that the incumbent won, and blank in elections that he lost.



There are several noteworthy features of this graph:

1) It is quite common for an incumbent to be polling at under 50 percent in the early polling average; this was true, in fact, of almost half of the races (30 of the 63). An outright majority of incumbents, meanwhile, had at least one early poll in which they were at under 50 percent of the vote.

2) There are lots of races in the top left-hand quadrant of the graph: these are cases in which the incumbent polled at under 50 percent in the early polling average, but wound up with more than 50 percent of the vote in November. In fact, of the 30 races in which the incumbent had less than 50 percent of the vote in the early polls, he wound up with more than 50 percent of the vote 18 times -- a clear majority. In addition, there was one case in which an incumbent polling at under 50 percent wound up with less than 50 percent of the November vote, but won anyway after a small third-party vote was factored in. Overall, 19 of the 30 incumbents to have less than 50 percent of the vote in the early polling average in fact won their election.

3) 5 of the 15 incumbents to have under 45 percent of the vote in early polls also won their elections. These were Bob Menendez (38.9 percent), Tim Palwenty (42.0 percent), Don Carcieri (42.3 percent), Jennifer Granholm (43.4 percent) and Arnold Schwarzenegger (44.3 percent), all in 2006.

3b) If we instead look at those cases within three points of Ted Strickland's 44 percent, when the incumbent had between 41 and 47 percent of the vote in early polls, he won on 11 of 17 occasions (65 percent of the time).

4) Almost all of the data points are above the red diagonal line, meaning that the incumbent finished with a larger share of the vote than he had in early polls. This was true on 58 of 63 occasions.

4b) On average, the incumbent added 6.4 percent to his voting total between the early polling average and the election, whereas the challenger added 4.5 percent. Looked at differently, the incumbent actually picked up the majority -- 59 percent -- of the undecided vote vis-a-vis early polls.

4c) The above trend seems quite linear; regardless of the incumbent's initial standing in the early polls, he picked up an average of 6-7 points by the election, although with a significant amount of variance.

5) The following corollary of Moran's hypothesis is almost always true: if an incumbent has 50 percent or more of the vote in early polls, he will win re-election. This was true on 32 of 33 occasions; the lone exception was George Allen in Virginia, who had 51.5 percent of the vote in early polls in 2006 but lost re-election by less than a full point (after running a terrible campaign). It appears that once a voter is willing to express a preference for an incumbent candidate to a pollster, they rarely (although not never) change their minds and vote for the challenger instead.

*-*

Finally, although this is not apparent from the graph itself, it does appear to be the case that the incumbent's share of the vote is a better predictor of the final voting margin than the challenger's share. The correlation between the incumbent's vote share in early polls and the final voting margin is .85; the correlation between the challenger's vote share and the final margin has a smaller magnitude, at (negative) .80. Interestingly, the correlation between the margin in early polls and the final margin is also just .85 -- no better than that obtained from looking at the incumbent's vote share alone. This may suggest that the opponent's vote share provides little additional informational value once the incumbent's vote share is known. As I hope I've made clear, however, this does not mean that incumbents "get what they get in the tracking"; they almost always add to their number. It is probably OK to focus on an incumbent's vote share in early polls while downplaying the challenger's number, but if you do, you need to add 6-7 percent to it to have the most accurate prediction of his likely performance in November. In Strickland's case, for instance, polling at 44 percent in the early polls would predict a final vote share of 50-51 percent.

I may be fine-tuning things more than Nate Silver. I see the Presidential campaign as the equivalent of 50 statewide races, one District-wide races, and five Congressional races. President Obama's campaign will select those races that matter most.  If his approval is under 40% in a State now, he is unlikely to challenge for that state; if he sees himself winning 55% he isn't going to pile on the percentages by design. I may unwittingly be using my projected margin of win as a proxy for likelihood of a win, as in "New York -- sure thing" and "Utah -- sure loss". 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Iosif on April 21, 2010, 04:32:48 AM
Folks, you're trying to overexplain what's going on - which is rather obvious, when you think about it.

No, please, be cryptic so we can guess and marvel at what a man with such superior intellect and political instinct such as yourself is thinking.

Twat.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 21, 2010, 09:07:56 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47% -2

Disapprove 52% +2


"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +2.

Strange pattern for the 'bots.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 21, 2010, 09:34:21 AM
Weird poll. It is taken two days after another poll by the same polling company, and it is released a week later. Maybe Arizona politics is weird these days. Maybe a 4% swing between samples in a politically-polarized state is just :one of those things". 

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Arizona Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted April 15, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

25% Strongly approve

9% Somewhat approve

9% Somewhat disapprove

55% Strongly disapprove

1% Not sure

2* How would you rate the job Jan Brewer has been doing as Governor… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

5% Strongly approve

35% Somewhat approve

30% Somewhat disapprove

26% Strongly disapprove

3% Not sure

Rules are rules even in a state going into a "winter of discontent" with almost every elected official. (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/arizona/toplines/toplines_arizona_governor_april_14_2010)



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Mixed approval and favorability (the latter, Arkansas,  Georgia, Michigan, and Ohio only):

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)

The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow 
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-60%: 60% Green
>60%: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

35 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.

Georgia is favorability, and 45% favorability suggests about a 46% vote. 41% approval would have about the same effect.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  132
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  40
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  80
white                        too close to call  22
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  46
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   55
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
  44 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

Favorability is probably 1% below the vote.  This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on April 21, 2010, 09:53:20 AM
Folks, you're trying to overexplain what's going on - which is rather obvious, when you think about it.

No, please, be cryptic so we can guess and marvel at what a man with such superior intellect and political instinct such as yourself is thinking.

Twat.

You know that I sometimes make my responses to get these types of comments.

1) Nationally, Obama has been at dead-even (X=X) in approvals for the last six months.  I see no change.  While it is true that his approval went slightly below dead-even in the heart of the health-care thing, that was most likely just hyped-up Republican anti-enthusiasm.

The key thing that has occurred since the healthcare debate is that Democrats who support the Prez are more energized (explains the Rasmussen movement) and conservatives are identifying.  In other words, the numbers haven't changed, but things are more partisanly polarized.

2) With state numbers, you always have to be careful about news events that move the polls by causing one side to become depressed or over-enthused (see Florida, Arizona in the past couple of days); bad polls (see an university poll); and states which are historically difficult/impossible to poll (Florida, New Mexico, Wisconsin).

That being said, over the long-term, the numbers tend to work out and tend to match what's going on nationally.  You just can't go nuts because one poll says one thing that's unexpected.

3) The state polling suggests that the populace is reverting to its 1996-2004 evenness in partisan support.  Not necessarily the same patterns, of course.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on April 21, 2010, 12:49:05 PM
Rasmussen in North Carolina

41% approve

57% disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/north_carolina/election_2010_north_carolina_senate


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 21, 2010, 01:53:15 PM
Weird poll. It is taken two days after another poll by the same polling company, and it is released a week later. Maybe Arizona politics is weird these days. Maybe a 4% swing between samples in a politically-polarized state is just :one of those things".  

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Arizona Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted April 15, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

25% Strongly approve

9% Somewhat approve

9% Somewhat disapprove

55% Strongly disapprove

1% Not sure


It's probably a wrong release.

The real numbers are:

"In the 2008 election, Obama lost to favorite son McCain 54% to 45%. Forty-two percent (42%) now approve of Obama's performance as president, with 29% who Strongly Approve. Fifty-six percent (56%) disapprove, including 51% who Strongly Disapprove. This is roughly comparable to Obama's job approval ratings nationally in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/arizona/election_2010_arizona_governor


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 21, 2010, 01:57:13 PM
California (Rasmussen):

60% Approve
39% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in California was conducted April 19, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/california/toplines/toplines_2010_california_governor_april_19_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 21, 2010, 02:32:59 PM

Gallup Obama National

Approve:  49 u

Disapprove:  45 u




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 21, 2010, 03:01:24 PM
North Carolina. Ouch!

I am going to revert to  the April 13 poll in Arizona because the Rasmussen poll on April 15 poll was released almost a week later than it was taken. Heck, the Republican politicians are doing badly enough that they look vulnerable.



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Mixed approval and favorability (the latter, Arkansas,  Georgia, Michigan, and Ohio only):

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)

The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow 
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

35 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.

Georgia is favorability, and 45% favorability suggests about a 46% vote. 41% approval would have about the same effect.

(
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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  132
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  40
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  64
white                        too close to call  22
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  46
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   71
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
  44 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

Favorability is probably 1% below the vote.  This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.




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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on April 21, 2010, 06:04:03 PM
The Arizona poll is a new poll, folks.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 21, 2010, 06:07:03 PM
The Arizona poll is a new poll, folks.

There will be others. The "Cops as Immigration Enforcers" will create much polling activity.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on April 21, 2010, 07:31:56 PM
The Arizona poll is a new poll, folks.
There will be others. The "Cops as Immigration Enforcers" will create much polling activity.

Translation: I don't like that one, let's wait for one with better approval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: old timey villain on April 21, 2010, 07:39:58 PM
North Carolina also has a very high unemployment rate and probably doesn't give high marks to any politician representing it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 22, 2010, 08:40:57 AM
Florida goes back substantially: (http://-http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/florida/toplines/toplines_florida_senate_april_21_2010)

Florida Survey of 500 Likely Voters:

Conducted April 21, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly

approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s

been doing?

33% Strongly approve

11% Somewhat approve

8% Somewhat disapprove

46% Strongly disapprove

2% Not sure


As for Arizona, it seems to be taking the Fascist route on civil liberties, so maybe 36% approval for Obama is an over-estimate.

Wusconsin 48-52 (Rasmussen, "likely voters"


(
)

Mixed approval and favorability (the latter, Arkansas,  Georgia, Michigan, and Ohio only):

(
)

The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

35 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.

Georgia is favorability, and 45% favorability suggests about a 46% vote. 41% approval would have about the same effect.

(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  132
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  12
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 74
white                        too close to call  40
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  46
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   60
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 55  

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

Favorability is probably 1% below the vote.  This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 22, 2010, 08:43:03 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47% u

Disapprove 52% u


"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

Two unchanged polls, with yesterday's Gallup.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 22, 2010, 04:38:53 PM
Gallup Obama National

Approve:  49 u

Disapprove:  43 -2


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 22, 2010, 07:54:45 PM
Maryland, Rasmussen, 59-39. likely voters. No surprise. I couldn't link to the toplines on that one.

But I can on this one in Georgia: (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/georgia/toplines/toplines_georgia_senate_april_22_2010)

Georgia Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted April 22, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

34% Strongly approve
7% Somewhat approve
6% Somewhat disapprove
51% Strongly disapprove
2% Not sure


(
)

Mixed approval and favorability (the latter, Arkansas, Michigan, and Ohio only):

(
)

The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

36 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.



(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  142
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  12
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 74
white                        too close to call  40
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  46
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   60
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 55  

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

Favorability is probably 1% below the vote.  This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on April 23, 2010, 12:54:23 AM
Tender Branson, I've told you not to post wide URLs.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 23, 2010, 10:08:33 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47% u

Disapprove 52% u


"Strongly Approve" is at 32%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 23, 2010, 11:54:49 PM
Tender Branson, I've told you not to post wide URLs.

Yeah sry man, I forget to create the URL links once in a while ... :P

But I`ll try to do it from now on ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 24, 2010, 12:39:27 AM
North Carolina (Elon):

47% Approve
48% Disapprove

The poll, conducted April 19-22, 2010, surveyed 607 North Carolina residents and has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.1 percentage points. Respondents were not limited by voter registration or likelihood of voting. The sample is of the population in general, with numbers that include both landlines and cellular phones.

http://www.elon.edu/docs/e-web/elonpoll/042310_PollData.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 24, 2010, 12:59:43 AM
North Carolina. University/college poll. I stuck with the unflattering poll from St. Norbert's College (Wisconsin), so I would be inconsistent to reject this one:


(
)

Mixed approval and favorability (the latter, Arkansas, Michigan, and Ohio only):

(
)

The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

36 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.



(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  142
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  12
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 89
white                        too close to call  40
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  46
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   45
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 55  

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

Favorability is probably 1% below the vote.  This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.






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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on April 24, 2010, 03:38:02 AM
I never really trusted the Rassy numbers on NC to start with.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 24, 2010, 09:31:09 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47% u

Disapprove 52% u


"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 25, 2010, 08:57:17 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45% -2

Disapprove 54% +2


"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +2.

Perhaps just some wobbling after five days of stability.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 26, 2010, 09:11:03 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47% +2

Disapprove 52% -2


"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.

Back to stability.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 26, 2010, 09:36:00 AM
If anyone thinks that President Obama's approval of 44% in North Dakota was a fluke a month ago, then  this one is practically a duplicate. (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_house_of_representatives_election/north_dakota/toplines/toplines_north_dakota_house_election_april_20_2010)



North Dakota State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted April 20, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

27% Strongly approve
17% Somewhat approve
8% Somewhat disapprove
46% Strongly disapprove
2% Not sure

South Dakota, too:  (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_house_of_representatives_election/south_dakota/toplines/toplines_2010_south_dakota_house_of_representatives_election_april_21_2010)

South Dakota State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted April 21, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

27% Strongly approve
18% Somewhat approve
7% Somewhat disapprove
47% Strongly disapprove
1% Not sure


(
)

Mixed approval and favorability (the latter, Arkansas, Michigan, and Ohio only):

(
)

The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

36 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.



(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  142
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  12
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 92
white                        too close to call  40
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  43
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   45
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 55  

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

Favorability is probably 1% below the vote.  This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.








Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on April 26, 2010, 09:52:38 AM
Notably, though, when you compare North Dakota to the recent polls in Georgia and Florida, the strength of that approval is much weaker. (That is, many more of North Dakota's approvers only "somewhat" approve.)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: xavier110 on April 26, 2010, 05:17:55 PM
Notably, though, when you compare North Dakota to the recent polls in Georgia and Florida, the strength of that approval is much weaker. (That is, many more of North Dakota's approvers only "somewhat" approve.)

But all that really matters is the strongly disapprove...the 51% who strongly disapprove in GA will not vote for him. He at least is in the mid-40's in the Dakotas, but then again the Dakotas aren't the type of states that would get too riled up about a politician.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 26, 2010, 06:04:39 PM
Notably, though, when you compare North Dakota to the recent polls in Georgia and Florida, the strength of that approval is much weaker. (That is, many more of North Dakota's approvers only "somewhat" approve.)

But all that really matters is the strongly disapprove...the 51% who strongly disapprove in GA will not vote for him. He at least is in the mid-40's in the Dakotas, but then again the Dakotas aren't the type of states that would get too riled up about a politician.

41% approval (Georgia) and 44% approval (North Dakota) implies a huge difference. Add about 6%  to the approval rating for an incumbent at the start of a campaign and you get a fair idea of how he will do in the general election in a state. The incumbent as a Governor, Senator, or (in a one-Representative state) Representative has plenty of advantages by being able to use the perquisites of office, most significantly the ability to set the agenda that a challenger doesn't have. Some who disapprove will disapprove of the challenger, too, and either won't vote or will vote for a third-party candidate. Adding 6% suggests a likely vote share.

The 41% approval in Georgia probably translates to about 47% of a vote share... which isn't close enough to get the President to make lots of appearances there unless the state is the difference between winning and losing the nationwide election. That is close to how Obama did in Georgia in 2008... and he abandoned the state as an electoral target in favor of others.

Sure, Obama could win Georgia in 2012... if certain things go right. Successful wind-downs of wars in Afghanistan and Iraq might do the trick if such convinces active military people... but that is asking for things that have yet to happen, are not sure to happen, and have no obvious precedent. He could also lose Wisconsin if unemployment skyrockets.

North Dakota showed two polls in two months in which the President has an approval rating of 44%, which translates into about a 50% share of the vote. That is where Indiana, Missouri, and North Carolina were in 2008. Such translates into a phrase that causes many people to reach for antacids:

TOO CLOSE TO CALL

The bad news for the GOP: North Dakota hasn't voted for a Democratic nominee for President since 1964 and hasn't been close to going for the Democratic nominee except in an electoral blowout for a very long time.

The good news for the GOP: North Dakota is unlikely to be the difference in the 2012 election.

Further bad news for the GOP: take a good look at South Dakota.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on April 26, 2010, 06:23:01 PM
Bad tidings for the GOP here, perhaps due to the attention on financial reform?

I think AZ will either get further to the GOP or flip if immigration is tackled next.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 26, 2010, 07:14:37 PM
Bad tidings for the GOP here, perhaps due to the attention on financial reform?

I think AZ will either get further to the GOP or flip if immigration is tackled next.

Reform of the financial system may be closing the barn door after the horse has left. If the GOP had any sense it would try to co-opt the Democrats on this one rather than line up for campaign funds from lobbyists for crooks of the Double-Zero Decade. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on April 26, 2010, 07:38:24 PM
Bad tidings for the GOP here, perhaps due to the attention on financial reform?

I think AZ will either get further to the GOP or flip if immigration is tackled next.

Reform of the financial system may be closing the barn door after the horse has left. If the GOP had any sense it would try to co-opt the Democrats on this one rather than line up for campaign funds from lobbyists for crooks of the Double-Zero Decade. 

Well today's vote was certainly an indication that the GOP isn't going to co-opt this one.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 27, 2010, 09:07:52 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47% u

Disapprove 52% u


"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.

More of the same.  You have to go back to 3/22/10 to find a number outside of a two point range of either the approve or disapprove number.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on April 27, 2010, 09:10:11 AM
Notably, though, when you compare North Dakota to the recent polls in Georgia and Florida, the strength of that approval is much weaker. (That is, many more of North Dakota's approvers only "somewhat" approve.)

But all that really matters is the strongly disapprove...the 51% who strongly disapprove in GA will not vote for him. He at least is in the mid-40's in the Dakotas, but then again the Dakotas aren't the type of states that would get too riled up about a politician.

41% approval (Georgia) and 44% approval (North Dakota) implies a huge difference. Add about 6%  to the approval rating for an incumbent at the start of a campaign and you get a fair idea of how he will do in the general election in a state. The incumbent as a Governor, Senator, or (in a one-Representative state) Representative has plenty of advantages by being able to use the perquisites of office, most significantly the ability to set the agenda that a challenger doesn't have. Some who disapprove will disapprove of the challenger, too, and either won't vote or will vote for a third-party candidate. Adding 6% suggests a likely vote share.

The 41% approval in Georgia probably translates to about 47% of a vote share... which isn't close enough to get the President to make lots of appearances there unless the state is the difference between winning and losing the nationwide election. That is close to how Obama did in Georgia in 2008... and he abandoned the state as an electoral target in favor of others.

Sure, Obama could win Georgia in 2012... if certain things go right. Successful wind-downs of wars in Afghanistan and Iraq might do the trick if such convinces active military people... but that is asking for things that have yet to happen, are not sure to happen, and have no obvious precedent. He could also lose Wisconsin if unemployment skyrockets.

North Dakota showed two polls in two months in which the President has an approval rating of 44%, which translates into about a 50% share of the vote. That is where Indiana, Missouri, and North Carolina were in 2008. Such translates into a phrase that causes many people to reach for antacids:

TOO CLOSE TO CALL

The bad news for the GOP: North Dakota hasn't voted for a Democratic nominee for President since 1964 and hasn't been close to going for the Democratic nominee except in an electoral blowout for a very long time.

The good news for the GOP: North Dakota is unlikely to be the difference in the 2012 election.

Further bad news for the GOP: take a good look at South Dakota.


You really think Obama would have a chance at carrying two states where he is strongly disapproved of by 48% of voters?

... Okay.

But seriously, pbrower, you're cherry-picking polls that are favorable to your candidate.  I've never heard you say "IMPENDING DEMOCRAT DISASTER!" when there's a poll showing Obama below 50% in states like Oregon and Washington.  How about a little consistency?

But you have to account for 3rd parties or not voting which at least 5% of these 48% disapproval will do.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on April 27, 2010, 10:00:57 AM
Notably, though, when you compare North Dakota to the recent polls in Georgia and Florida, the strength of that approval is much weaker. (That is, many more of North Dakota's approvers only "somewhat" approve.)

But all that really matters is the strongly disapprove...the 51% who strongly disapprove in GA will not vote for him. He at least is in the mid-40's in the Dakotas, but then again the Dakotas aren't the type of states that would get too riled up about a politician.

41% approval (Georgia) and 44% approval (North Dakota) implies a huge difference. Add about 6%  to the approval rating for an incumbent at the start of a campaign and you get a fair idea of how he will do in the general election in a state. The incumbent as a Governor, Senator, or (in a one-Representative state) Representative has plenty of advantages by being able to use the perquisites of office, most significantly the ability to set the agenda that a challenger doesn't have. Some who disapprove will disapprove of the challenger, too, and either won't vote or will vote for a third-party candidate. Adding 6% suggests a likely vote share.

The 41% approval in Georgia probably translates to about 47% of a vote share... which isn't close enough to get the President to make lots of appearances there unless the state is the difference between winning and losing the nationwide election. That is close to how Obama did in Georgia in 2008... and he abandoned the state as an electoral target in favor of others.

Sure, Obama could win Georgia in 2012... if certain things go right. Successful wind-downs of wars in Afghanistan and Iraq might do the trick if such convinces active military people... but that is asking for things that have yet to happen, are not sure to happen, and have no obvious precedent. He could also lose Wisconsin if unemployment skyrockets.

North Dakota showed two polls in two months in which the President has an approval rating of 44%, which translates into about a 50% share of the vote. That is where Indiana, Missouri, and North Carolina were in 2008. Such translates into a phrase that causes many people to reach for antacids:

TOO CLOSE TO CALL

The bad news for the GOP: North Dakota hasn't voted for a Democratic nominee for President since 1964 and hasn't been close to going for the Democratic nominee except in an electoral blowout for a very long time.

The good news for the GOP: North Dakota is unlikely to be the difference in the 2012 election.

Further bad news for the GOP: take a good look at South Dakota.

First of all, LOL.

Secondly, ROFL.

To delve into the meat of your arguement, WTF.

If we add 6% to Bill Clinton's approval ratings in 1996, we find he enjoyed a massive landslide victory with a near unprecedented 59-64% of the vote.

Quote
11/2-3/96     NBC/WSJ     53     40     7     1020     
10/30-11/2/96    CBS/NYT    56    34    10    1919    
10/27-29/96    CBS/NYT    54    36    10    1077    
10/26-29/96    Gallup/CNN/USA    54    36    10    1229    
10/23-27/96    CBS/NYT    58    32    10    1528    
10/21-24/96    Gallup/CNN/USA    58    35    7    1003    
10/19-22/96    NBC/WSJ    56    37    7    1008

Similarly, we see George W. Bush scoring a rousing 53-59% victory in 2004:

Quote
11/2-3/04     Democracy Corps     52     45     2     2000     
11/2/04    LATimes    53    47       5154    Exiting Voters
11/2/04    WG/New Models    51    47    2    1000    V
11/1/04    Marist    49    49    2    1320    
10/31-11/1/04    GWU/Battleground    52    45    3    1000    LV
10/30-31/04    Fox/OpinDynamics    47    46    7    1400    RV
10/29-31/04    Gallup/CNN/USA    51    46    3    2014    
10/29-31/04    NBC/WSJ    49    48    3    1014    LV

Reagan knocked it out of the park by winning nearly two out of every three voters nationwide...

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10/26-29/84     Gallup     58     33     9     1520

I'd go on, but your overly simplistic analysis based on your fantasyland wants and desires is lacking to say the least. There is no historical basis for your "plus six," and there is absolutely nothing to suggest that North Dakota will be even remotely competitive with nearly 50% of voters disapproving of him, most of them strongly so.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 27, 2010, 01:26:23 PM


Rhode Island State Survey of 500 Likely Voters (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/rhode_island/toplines/toplines_2010_rhode_island_governor_april_21_2010)
Conducted April 21, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

36% Strongly approve
21% Somewhat approve
10% Somewhat disapprove
31% Strongly disapprove
2% Not sure

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Mixed approval and favorability (the latter, Arkansas, Michigan, and Ohio only):

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The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

36 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  142
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  12
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 92
white                        too close to call  40
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  43
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   45
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 55  

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

Favorability is probably 1% below the vote.  This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.









Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on April 27, 2010, 01:34:59 PM
The "approval rating plus six" theory is one of the funniest things I've ever seen on the forum, up there with some of Naso's stuff.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on April 27, 2010, 01:39:09 PM
The "approval rating plus six" theory is one of the funniest things I've ever seen on the forum, up there with some of Naso's stuff.

It's even funnier, how pbrower just ignores everyone else.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Iosif on April 27, 2010, 01:59:31 PM
There hasn't been a Gallup update in a while. Hmm...

A 51%
D 42%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 27, 2010, 02:38:47 PM
Quote
2.25.2010
The Myth of the Incumbent 50% Rule
by Nate Silver @ 9:04 AM

I don't like criticizing our good friends over at Pollster.com, but a Tuesday article  by Pollster correspondent Robert Moran, also the Executive Vice President at StrategyOne, espouses a bit of conventional wisdom which happens to be completely wrong.

Citing a Quinnipiac poll that has Ohio incumbent governor Ted Strickland ahead of Republican challenger John Kasich by a margin of 44-39, Moran writes that:

    Barring some massive exogenous event, the next Governor of Ohio will be John Kasich. [...]

    In a two way race, political professionals don't even bother to look at the spread between the incumbent and the challenger, they only focus on the incumbent's support relative to 50%. Incumbents tend to get trace elements of the undecideds at the end of a campaign. Sure, there is the occasional exception, but this rule is fairly ironclad in my experience.

Although I have no particular comment on the dynamics of the Ohio race, which I have not spent much time following, Moran's general sentiment is demonstrably false. What the actual evidence shows, rather, is the following:

1) It is extremely common for an incumbent come back to win re-election while having less than 50 percent of the vote in early polls.

2) In comparison to early polls, there is no demonstrable tendency for challengers to pick up a larger share of the undecided vote than incumbents.

3) Incumbents almost always get a larger share of the actual vote than they do in early polls (as do challengers). They do not "get what they get in the tracking"; they almost always get more.

4) However, the incumbent's vote share in early polls may in fact be a better predictor of the final margin in the race than the opponent's vote share. That is, it may be proper to focus more on the incumbent's number than the opponent's when evaluating such a poll -- even though it is extremely improper to assume that the incumbent will not pick up any additional percentage of the vote.

This analysis focuses only on early polls: those conducted between January and June of an incumbent's election year. I do not attempt to evaluate such claims with respect to late polls, such as those conducted in the weeks immediately preceding an election. It is late polls which are traditionally the subject of the so-called "incumbent rule", which is the idea that voters who remain undecided late in the race tend to break toward the challenger at the ballot booth. (Note, however, the evidence for the late version of the incumbent rule is also mixed.)

For my study, I looked at all gubernatorial and Senate contests in the 2006, 2008 and 2009 election cycles in which (i) one of the candidates was an incumbent; (ii) there was at least one poll in the race conducted between January and June of the election year, as listed at Pollster.com, and (iii) the two major-party candidates collectively accounted for at least 90 percent of the vote in November. A total of 63 contests passed these screens and were included. Although the third criterion, which disposes of races in which there was a significant third-party vote, is not ideal in certain ways, it eliminates only 4 races and the conclusions here would not substantially change if they were included.

(graph not shown)

For the analysis, I took a simple average of all early polls as included in the Pollster.com database. In accordance with Pollster.com's practice, this includes partisan polls and multiple polls conducted by the same pollster. In the vast majority of races, at least two polls were available.

1) It is quite common for an incumbent to be polling at under 50 percent in the early polling average; this was true, in fact, of almost half of the races (30 of the 63). An outright majority of incumbents, meanwhile, had at least one early poll in which they were at under 50 percent of the vote.

2) There are lots of races in the top left-hand quadrant of the graph: these are cases in which the incumbent polled at under 50 percent in the early polling average, but wound up with more than 50 percent of the vote in November. In fact, of the 30 races in which the incumbent had less than 50 percent of the vote in the early polls, he wound up with more than 50 percent of the vote 18 times -- a clear majority. In addition, there was one case in which an incumbent polling at under 50 percent wound up with less than 50 percent of the November vote, but won anyway after a small third-party vote was factored in. Overall, 19 of the 30 incumbents to have less than 50 percent of the vote in the early polling average in fact won their election.

3) 5 of the 15 incumbents to have under 45 percent of the vote in early polls also won their elections. These were Bob Menendez (38.9 percent), Tim Palwenty (42.0 percent), Don Carcieri (42.3 percent), Jennifer Granholm (43.4 percent) and Arnold Schwarzenegger (44.3 percent), all in 2006.

3b) If we instead look at those cases within three points of Ted Strickland's 44 percent, when the incumbent had between 41 and 47 percent of the vote in early polls, he won on 11 of 17 occasions (65 percent of the time).

4) Almost all of the data points are above the red diagonal line, meaning that the incumbent finished with a larger share of the vote than he had in early polls. This was true on 58 of 63 occasions.

4b) On average, the incumbent added 6.4 percent to his voting total between the early polling average and the election, whereas the challenger added 4.5 percent. Looked at differently, the incumbent actually picked up the majority -- 59 percent -- of the undecided vote vis-a-vis early polls.

4c) The above trend seems quite linear; regardless of the incumbent's initial standing in the early polls, he picked up an average of 6-7 points by the election, although with a significant amount of variance.

5) The following corollary of Moran's hypothesis is almost always true: if an incumbent has 50 percent or more of the vote in early polls, he will win re-election. This was true on 32 of 33 occasions; the lone exception was George Allen in Virginia, who had 51.5 percent of the vote in early polls in 2006 but lost re-election by less than a full point (after running a terrible campaign). It appears that once a voter is willing to express a preference for an incumbent candidate to a pollster, they rarely (although not never) change their minds and vote for the challenger instead.

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Finally, although this is not apparent from the graph itself, it does appear to be the case that the incumbent's share of the vote is a better predictor of the final voting margin than the challenger's share. The correlation between the incumbent's vote share in early polls and the final voting margin is .85; the correlation between the challenger's vote share and the final margin has a smaller magnitude, at (negative) .80. Interestingly, the correlation between the margin in early polls and the final margin is also just .85 -- no better than that obtained from looking at the incumbent's vote share alone. This may suggest that the opponent's vote share provides little additional informational value once the incumbent's vote share is known. As I hope I've made clear, however, this does not mean that incumbents "get what they get in the tracking"; they almost always add to their number. It is probably OK to focus on an incumbent's vote share in early polls while downplaying the challenger's number, but if you do, you need to add 6-7 percent to it to have the most accurate prediction of his likely performance in November. In Strickland's case, for instance, polling at 44 percent in the early polls would predict a final vote share of 50-51 percent.


.....

Silver has an extensive database that I cannot here reproduce. For Senate and gubernatorial (statewide) races in 2006 to 2000 (this includes Corzine in New Jersey in an odd-year election) , the pattern generally holds  -- add 7 to early polls for any gubernatorial or Senate incumbent, and one gets a  fair estimate of the eventual vote share for those incumbents not in races with significant third-party (about 10% if the total vote) opposition.  The pattern holds among winners and losers alike. Although it is possible for an incumbent to lose even from above 50% approval in early polls (one did -- George Allen, and that resulted from his breakdown as a candidate), almost everyone gained significantly, some recovering even from early polls showing as low as 40% approval (Menendez, New Jersey, US Senate, 2006). Some ran inept campaigns; some had scandals break. But the pattern should be obvious: incumbents have advantages against challengers even if the incumbent is a turkey. If the incumbent is very unpopular to begin with or has incredibly bad luck he may fail  Does anyone think that if America has another 1929-style meltdown of the economy or that America gets ensnared in a military or diplomatic debacle that President Obama would  not get re-elected?

Why would the Presidency be different?  It is 50 statewide elections, one district-wide election, and five Congressional seats.  I figure that the effects would be muted; an incumbent  Governor or Senator might get the chance to run up the score (vote percentage) if his approval rating is 70% to begin with; an incumbent President would surely turn attention elsewhere -- to where it can do him more good. In other words, if an incumbent President has 62% support in Texas and 48% support in Michigan and Michigan is the only real chance of winning (obviously not the 2012 election!), then guess where the President makes lots of campaign trips and guess which states' TV stations get an advertising blitz.  The States elect the President; voters don't.

OK. Approval ratings ordinarily go down for the President unless there is some glorious event that he can ride. President Obama has had no such event. The opposition starts carping, and independent voters feel that they have not gotten exactly what they voted for. Not all legislation that the President promotes is wildly popular and indeed may have well-organized opposition.

An incumbent politician of any kind has already shown the ability to win an election. He also gets much media attention, for good or bad. If he is good he will get desirable attention. He has access to the perquisites of office and can get incredible attention. Can the President botch those assets? Sure. If President Obama dusts off the formidable campaign organization that he had in 2008 he will be very difficult to beat. He doesn't need enthusiasm from more than the base; "sort-of-okay" is enough to win against a challenger who doesn't have a strong campaign, doesn't have quite the media access and doesn't use it spectacularly well, and has to make promises that the President can counter.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on April 27, 2010, 04:03:22 PM
The "approval rating plus six" theory is one of the funniest things I've ever seen on the forum, up there with some of Naso's stuff.

I wouldn't discount it, actually.

Carter's approval rating, for example, was 37% prior to 1980's election. He got 41% of the vote, an increase of 4%, and that probably would have been higher had Anderson not split the anti-Reagan vote...

Bush's was 34% before the 1992 election and he ended up with 3% of the vote. Clinton's was 54% before the 1996 one, but I'd imagine Perot skewed things for both somewhat.

Bush II's was 48% before 2004's election, and he ended up with almost 51%, which is an increase of 3%.

Oh, and Ford's last recorded before November 1976 was 45% and he ended up with ~48%, although the 48% figure is from July so make your own judgement on how relevant that is. Again, that a 3% increase.

So, 6% might be a tad much, but an increase of 3-4% seems reasonable. A cursory look through Gallup seemed to show that, interestingly enough, the only President whose vote matched their approval exactly was Reagan in 1984 with 58%.


*shrug*

 I'm not an expert, but it's not far-fetched in principle that vote shares can exceed approval ratings.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 27, 2010, 06:44:21 PM
Why is that Pbrower just ignores the posts where someone calls him out?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ScottM on April 27, 2010, 07:17:13 PM
The "approval rating plus six" theory is one of the funniest things I've ever seen on the forum, up there with some of Naso's stuff.

I wouldn't discount it, actually.

Carter's approval rating, for example, was 37% prior to 1980's election. He got 41% of the vote, an increase of 4%, and that probably would have been higher had Anderson not split the anti-Reagan vote...

Bush's was 34% before the 1992 election and he ended up with 3% of the vote. Clinton's was 54% before the 1996 one, but I'd imagine Perot skewed things for both somewhat.

Bush II's was 48% before 2004's election, and he ended up with almost 51%, which is an increase of 3%.

Oh, and Ford's last recorded before November 1976 was 45% and he ended up with ~48%, although the 48% figure is from July so make your own judgement on how relevant that is. Again, that a 3% increase.

So, 6% might be a tad much, but an increase of 3-4% seems reasonable. A cursory look through Gallup seemed to show that, interestingly enough, the only President whose vote matched their approval exactly was Reagan in 1984 with 58%.


*shrug*

 I'm not an expert, but it's not far-fetched in principle that vote shares can exceed approval ratings.





I certainly believe that an incumbent has an advantage; just look at the success rate of members of Congress running for re-election. A slight improvement over approval ratings probably shouldn't be surprising, but, yes 6% is no doubt a bit much.

I don't think we should overlook the fact that in some elections you have stronger challengers than other. If the challenger is stronger in a particular year, there's probably a reduced advantage.

One serious mistake that I think is being made, though, is the assumption that you can add the same amount to every State's approval rating. Some States are naturally more friendly than others to a particular party. South Dakota, for example won't be as friendly to Obama as would maybe Vermont.

As for Georgia, BTW, Al Gore performed 5.4 points better nationally than in Georgia, John Kerry performed 6.9 points better nationally, and Barrack Obama performed 6 points better nationally. So unless Obama actually manages to win 56% of the vote give or take a bit, he's not going to win Georgia. And I don't see anyone managing to win 56% of the vote anytime soon in the current political environment.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on April 27, 2010, 07:26:36 PM

I hestitate to reproduce what you had actually written above, as I do not want anyone accidentally mistaking that big mass of "LOL?" as my own.

If you want me to seriously rebut it, here's what I've got for you:

The article you reproduced from Silver talks about head-to-head matchups, and the improvement incumbents get later on in the campaign. It doesn't talk about "approval" polls at all, which is what you're trying to use to divine future election results. You are attempting to make some kind of awkward apples-to-oranges comparison that has no historical or statistical basis in reality.

If you need hard data/proof, again, please reference the election results of the last 100 years or so, the most recent of which I cut and paste for you above.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 27, 2010, 08:24:44 PM
The "approval rating plus six" theory is one of the funniest things I've ever seen on the forum, up there with some of Naso's stuff.

I wouldn't discount it, actually.

Carter's approval rating, for example, was 37% prior to 1980's election. He got 41% of the vote, an increase of 4%, and that probably would have been higher had Anderson not split the anti-Reagan vote...

Bush's was 34% before the 1992 election and he ended up with 3% of the vote. Clinton's was 54% before the 1996 one, but I'd imagine Perot skewed things for both somewhat.

Bush II's was 48% before 2004's election, and he ended up with almost 51%, which is an increase of 3%.

Oh, and Ford's last recorded before November 1976 was 45% and he ended up with ~48%, although the 48% figure is from July so make your own judgement on how relevant that is. Again, that a 3% increase.

So, 6% might be a tad much, but an increase of 3-4% seems reasonable. A cursory look through Gallup seemed to show that, interestingly enough, the only President whose vote matched their approval exactly was Reagan in 1984 with 58%.


*shrug*

 I'm not an expert, but it's not far-fetched in principle that vote shares can exceed approval ratings.





I certainly believe that an incumbent has an advantage; just look at the success rate of members of Congress running for re-election. A slight improvement over approval ratings probably shouldn't be surprising, but, yes 6% is no doubt a bit much.

I don't think we should overlook the fact that in some elections you have stronger challengers than other. If the challenger is stronger in a particular year, there's probably a reduced advantage.

One serious mistake that I think is being made, though, is the assumption that you can add the same amount to every State's approval rating. Some States are naturally more friendly than others to a particular party. South Dakota, for example won't be as friendly to Obama as would maybe Vermont.

As for Georgia, BTW, Al Gore performed 5.4 points better nationally than in Georgia, John Kerry performed 6.9 points better nationally, and Barrack Obama performed 6 points better nationally. So unless Obama actually manages to win 56% of the vote give or take a bit, he's not going to win Georgia. And I don't see anyone managing to win 56% of the vote anytime soon in the current political environment.

The 6% (Silver says 7%) is no hard and fast rule. It's an average, and it does not apply to every statewide election.  Some candidates can make fools of themselves (former Senator George "Macaca" Allen, whose staffers beat up a heckler) or find themselves entangled in disgusting scandals that pull them down. One can't predict campaign meltdowns or the eruption of scandals in still-competitive races. Some incumbents fare better than 7%; go figure.

If Presidential elections are really fifty statewide elections, does the 6% gain seem likely everywhere for an incumbent as it does for an incumbent Governor or Senator? Probably no. If one is Carl Levin or Kay Bailey Hutchinson, perfectly fitting the sensibilities of one's State, then one might have an approval rating of 60% going into a Senatorial race  and end up with 67% of the vote.  One's own race is the only one that one can have any effect on. But would an incumbent President who has a 60% approval rating in Rhode Island or Utah put appreciable effort and resources into winning such a state by a larger margin?

Of course not! Such would be a waste of his organization's funds and his time as a campaigner. Piling on a percentage would be worthless; the difference between either state by an inflated margin would be pointless.

What if the incumbent has an approval rating of 35% -- would he do much campaigning there?

Of course not! Such would be a waste of his organization's funds and his time as a campaigner. The statewide race in question is beyond help.

But 52% in Iowa or South Carolina?  An incumbent wants to put such a state out of the margin of error and solidify a win. 47%? It is in the margin of error and might be pushed into the victory column. The incumbent likely makes appearances where they might count, and the campaign pumps in the money for campaign ads.  

The current 41% approval rating in Georgia for President Obama likely translates into about a 47% share at most of the vote in Georgia, which is not enough to win. That is a 6% margin just slightly larger than the reality of 2008 in Georgia. Obama abandoned efforts to win Georgia when some states seemed to slip into the danger zone.

Will 2012 be different? Of course in the reality of nationwide approval of the President. Some issues might work well for Obama in some states and badly in others. How well the economy is will decide whether Obama can avoid losing the Rust Belt states to a GOP nominee who might offer an economic ideas that imply more employment -- at vastly-reduced wages and harsher terms of employment. But if the economy is doing well, even Ohio might be impossible for Republicans to pick up.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on April 28, 2010, 08:00:03 AM
The 6% (Silver says 7%) is no hard and fast rule. It's an average, and it does not apply to every statewide election.  Some candidates can make fools of themselves (former Senator George "Macaca" Allen, whose staffers beat up a heckler) or find themselves entangled in disgusting scandals that pull them down. One can't predict campaign meltdowns or the eruption of scandals in still-competitive races. Some incumbents fare better than 7%; go figure.

Oops! You're still confusing head-to-head matchups with approval ratings!

The current 41% approval rating in Georgia for President Obama likely translates into about a 47% share at most of the vote in Georgia, which is not enough to win. That is a 6% margin just slightly larger than the reality of 2008 in Georgia. Obama abandoned efforts to win Georgia when some states seemed to slip into the danger zone.

Oops! You're still confusing head-to-head matchups with approval ratings!


You better hope it is, because actual history shows "plus six" to be incorrect. But why should history stop us when we can just torture Nate Silver's logic into something that "feels" believable to those who want to believe it?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 28, 2010, 09:06:39 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47% u

Disapprove 52% u


"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: old timey villain on April 28, 2010, 10:47:42 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47% u

Disapprove 52% u

"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.



All the polls point to a convergence in the "strongly" numbers.  The reports of a wildly enthused GOP base and a depressed Democratic one may have been grossly exaggerated.  All indications are that the midterm elections this year will be highly competitive.  It is critical that the GOP not continue to lose seats.  Such would sound the death knell for that party.  

 Not necessarily. The GOP continued to lose seats in 1934, 2 years after the dems dominated them. They were always there, but were just in a position of dormancy for some years and then gained ground in the late 1940's and 1950's. But I think you're right- the election will be very close. It will not be a Republican blowout. The Obama coalition is getting fired up too.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: old timey villain on April 28, 2010, 11:45:38 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47% u

Disapprove 52% u

"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.



All the polls point to a convergence in the "strongly" numbers.  The reports of a wildly enthused GOP base and a depressed Democratic one may have been grossly exaggerated.  All indications are that the midterm elections this year will be highly competitive.  It is critical that the GOP not continue to lose seats.  Such would sound the death knell for that party.  

 Not necessarily. The GOP continued to lose seats in 1934, 2 years after the dems dominated them. They were always there, but were just in a position of dormancy for some years and then gained ground in the late 1940's and 1950's. But I think you're right- the election will be very close. It will not be a Republican blowout. The Obama coalition is getting fired up too.

The Republican Party may very well to continue to exist ... but to be electorally successful, its policies must change significantly.  If it continues to stubbornly cling to the ideals of the past, then it shall go the way of the mastodon.

To appreciate the dire nature the party is in, one must examine its potential 2012 candidates.  Sarah Palin?  A seditious rube, whose qualifications for the Presidency are non-existent.  Mitt Romney?  A Wall Street insider - and he is considered to be their best candidate.  Mike Huckabee?  Too regional, too polarizing, too rural.  Mitch Daniels?  One of Dubya's minions.  George H.W. Bush?  He couldn't afford a credible Second Act.  Tabasco sauce?  Flavorful - but burns the throat.

The last poll, done by CNN, between Obama and Romney yields the following: Obama with 53% and Romney with 45%.  Add 6% to Obama's numbers, and you will get an accurate picture of the 2012 election.  Such is a landslide on the scale of Eisenhower's in 1956.  But I see his political skills more along the lines of Ronald Reagan.  Obama plays to win, and his campaign apparatus, which has been in mothballs, will come out.  When he is out of the White House and can finally campaign on his legislative successes, we will see his approvals - and his party's numbers - rise.

The 2010 Senate races ought to yield many surprises.  South Carolina?  Jim DeMint's approvals are sub-par.  Obama's, on the other hand, are surprisingly good for such a rock-ribbed conservative state.  The exploits of Governor Sanford may have put the Palmetto State into a Republican fatigue.  Georgia?  Only time will tell.  

 As a Georgia resident I can tell you that the races will be very competitive this year. Sonny's party is unpopular now due to their massive budget cuts on things like education, and the leading dem challenger, ex governor Roy Barnes, who paved the way for the first Repub governor since reconstruction, is actually competitive or leading against all Republican candidates. I think Johnny Isakson will get a run for his money, but will come out on top. There are not many strong dem challengers for his senate seat. Georgia is now too big and too diverse to be a one party state.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on April 28, 2010, 12:36:36 PM
He has been at 47% everyday this week. That seems like a steady number for him. Rasmussen was the most conservative poll during the 2008 Presidential Election and the most accurate. They had Obama winning 52-46 and to my recollection that's what it came out to. The more conservative the better let me tell you.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: memphis on April 28, 2010, 12:38:27 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47% u

Disapprove 52% u

"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.



All the polls point to a convergence in the "strongly" numbers.  The reports of a wildly enthused GOP base and a depressed Democratic one may have been grossly exaggerated.  All indications are that the midterm elections this year will be highly competitive.  It is critical that the GOP not continue to lose seats.  Such would sound the death knell for that party.  

 Not necessarily. The GOP continued to lose seats in 1934, 2 years after the dems dominated them. They were always there, but were just in a position of dormancy for some years and then gained ground in the late 1940's and 1950's. But I think you're right- the election will be very close. It will not be a Republican blowout. The Obama coalition is getting fired up too.

The Republican Party may very well to continue to exist ... but to be electorally successful, its policies must change significantly.  If it continues to stubbornly cling to the ideals of the past, then it shall go the way of the mastodon.

To appreciate the dire nature the party is in, one must examine its potential 2012 candidates.  Sarah Palin?  A seditious rube, whose qualifications for the Presidency are non-existent.  Mitt Romney?  A Wall Street insider - and he is considered to be their best candidate.  Mike Huckabee?  Too regional, too polarizing, too rural.  Mitch Daniels?  One of Dubya's minions.  George H.W. Bush?  He couldn't afford a credible Second Act.  Tabasco sauce?  Flavorful - but burns the throat.

The last poll, done by CNN, between Obama and Romney yields the following: Obama with 53% and Romney with 45%.  Add 6% to Obama's numbers, and you will get an accurate picture of the 2012 election.  Such is a landslide on the scale of Eisenhower's in 1956.  But I see his political skills more along the lines of Ronald Reagan.  Obama plays to win, and his campaign apparatus, which has been in mothballs, will come out.  When he is out of the White House and can finally campaign on his legislative successes, we will see his approvals - and his party's numbers - rise.

The 2010 Senate races ought to yield many surprises.  South Carolina?  Jim DeMint's approvals are sub-par.  Obama's, on the other hand, are surprisingly good for such a rock-ribbed conservative state.  The exploits of Governor Sanford may have put the Palmetto State into a Republican fatigue.  Georgia?  Only time will tell.  

 As a Georgia resident I can tell you that the races will be very competitive this year. Sonny's party is unpopular now due to their massive budget cuts on things like education, and the leading dem challenger, ex governor Roy Barnes, who paved the way for the first Repub governor since reconstruction, is actually competitive or leading against all Republican candidates. I think Johnny Isakson will get a run for his money, but will come out on top. There are not many strong dem challengers for his senate seat. Georgia is now too big and too diverse to be a one party state.
FYI: You've been punk'd.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on April 28, 2010, 12:50:20 PM
I lovet that pic of Muhammad. Did you see the 200th episodes? Those guys are the best.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on April 28, 2010, 01:16:56 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47% u

Disapprove 52% u

"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.


It is critical that the GOP not continue to lose seats.  Such would sound the death knell for that party.  

I'd be willing to give you 10-1 odds on $50 that the GOP doesn't lose seats in the midterms.  Yes, most elections will be competitive, but it looks likely the GOP will pick up 20 seats at a minimum.

And if you think Demint is going to lose, you're just plain wrong.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on April 28, 2010, 01:17:21 PM

Someday, I anticipate Pbrower will step out, pull off his mask, and we'll find out he was really just Al or Sam Spade or someone all along. Sure, we'll be pissed at first and feel a little betrayed or whatever, but in the end, we'll all just be relieved that Pbrower was nothing more than a figment of someone's imagination.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on April 28, 2010, 01:45:26 PM
Rasmussen Arizona

Obama: 38/59


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 28, 2010, 02:24:06 PM

The Republican Party may very well to continue to exist ... but to be electorally successful, its policies must change significantly.  If it continues to stubbornly cling to the ideals of the past, then it shall go the way of the mastodon.

To appreciate the dire nature the party is in, one must examine its potential 2012 candidates.  Sarah Palin?  A seditious rube, whose qualifications for the Presidency are non-existent.  Mitt Romney?  A Wall Street insider - and he is considered to be their best candidate.  Mike Huckabee?  Too regional, too polarizing, too rural.  Mitch Daniels?  One of Dubya's minions.  George H.W. Bush?  He couldn't afford a credible Second Act.  Tabasco sauce?  Flavorful - but burns the throat.

The last poll, done by CNN, between Obama and Romney yields the following: Obama with 53% and Romney with 45%.  Add 6% to Obama's numbers, and you will get an accurate picture of the 2012 election.  Such is a landslide on the scale of Eisenhower's in 1956.  But I see his political skills more along the lines of Ronald Reagan.  Obama plays to win, and his campaign apparatus, which has been in mothballs, will come out.  When he is out of the White House and can finally campaign on his legislative successes, we will see his approvals - and his party's numbers - rise.

The 2010 Senate races ought to yield many surprises.  South Carolina?  Jim DeMint's approvals are sub-par.  Obama's, on the other hand, are surprisingly good for such a rock-ribbed conservative state.  The exploits of Governor Sanford may have put the Palmetto State into a Republican fatigue.  Georgia?  Only time will tell.  

Actually, excepting this weeks number, the GOP has been 8-10 points ahead of the Democrats on the generic ballot.  This week it dropped to six, but that still might be some standard fluctuation.  While Obama's strongly approve numbers have improved, his negatives have still stayed in the same area and still are much higher.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on April 28, 2010, 03:02:09 PM
Bobby Jindal and Mitch Daniels have higher numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 28, 2010, 04:03:02 PM
The 6% (Silver says 7%) is no hard and fast rule. It's an average, and it does not apply to every statewide election.  Some candidates can make fools of themselves (former Senator George "Macaca" Allen, whose staffers beat up a heckler) or find themselves entangled in disgusting scandals that pull them down. One can't predict campaign meltdowns or the eruption of scandals in still-competitive races. Some incumbents fare better than 7%; go figure.

Oops! You're still confusing head-to-head matchups with approval ratings!

I am working with what is available. The re is no head-to-head matchup yet. Obama might lose to some idealized Generic Republican as adept at exuding optimism and transcending regional differences as Ronald Reagan.  You tell  me -- does that candidate exist? We have no state named Shangri-La. 

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The current 41% approval rating in Georgia for President Obama likely translates into about a 47% share at most of the vote in Georgia, which is not enough to win. That is a 6% margin just slightly larger than the reality of 2008 in Georgia. Obama abandoned efforts to win Georgia when some states seemed to slip into the danger zone.

Oops! You're still confusing head-to-head matchups with approval ratings![/quote]

That derives from Rasmussen's latest poll of likely voters.  It says that without significant changes in the political climate in Georgia, Obama loses Georgia in 2012. I can see how he could fare far better.

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You better hope it is, because actual history shows "plus six" to be incorrect. But why should history stop us when we can just torture Nate Silver's logic into something that "feels" believable to those who want to believe it?
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Silver said much the same about incumbent Presidents in a different blogpost. He has far more of a base of data with gubernatorial and Senate races.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 28, 2010, 05:22:24 PM
Arkansas State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted April 26, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

27% Strongly approve
8% Somewhat approve
12% Somewhat disapprove
51% Strongly disapprove
0% Not sure

(
)

Mixed approval and favorability (the latter, Arkansas, Michigan, and Ohio only):

(
)

The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

36 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.



(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  142
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  12
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 92
white                        too close to call  40
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  43
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   45
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 55  

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

Favorability is probably 1% below the vote.  This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.








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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on April 28, 2010, 05:40:44 PM
Yea if 3 ppl are running instead of 2. If he isn't at 49% you can right him off as well as any other president in such a situation. People don't vote for those that haven't done well according to them.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: War on Want on April 28, 2010, 05:47:05 PM
PPP has him at 45.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Duke on April 28, 2010, 07:04:18 PM
I can't believe that pbrower took what should be a news and information thread and turned it into over 300 pages of unintentional comedy goldmine.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ScottM on April 28, 2010, 07:24:43 PM
I can't believe that pbrower took what should be a news and information thread and turned it into over 300 pages of unintentional comedy goldmine.

I've not even surprised by that and I haven't been here very long. :p


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on April 29, 2010, 06:02:23 AM
I put him on ignore.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on April 29, 2010, 06:13:40 AM

Same here and it makes life more enjoyable...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on April 29, 2010, 08:18:46 AM
I am working with what is available. The re is no head-to-head matchup yet. Obama might lose to some idealized Generic Republican as adept at exuding optimism and transcending regional differences as Ronald Reagan.  You tell  me -- does that candidate exist? We have no state named Shangri-La.

Here is how I'm working with what's available.

We'll see how the Republican field shakes out, and see if anyone especially dynamic breaks from the pack. Right now, I think the front runner is Mitt Romney, and he's a John Kerry at worst. Capable, clearly intelligent, with a presidential "feel," all while still lacking the definable charismatic quality that made Reagan or Obama.

So, to use your "ask myself a question and then answer it immediately" mechanic that is littered through your writing: Does this mean that Romney (or someone like him) is guaranteed the fate of Kerry? No. Kerry did well for someone who failed to win the presidency. He trailed Bush by ~2.4% in the final tally. He can win by performing better than Kerry or by Obama performing worse than Bush.

The latter is the scenario that's shaking out right now. Obama is far more polarizing than he was in 2008. It was an inevitable effect—it's easier to believe a politician is everything you want him to be prior to him taking office. He still inspires a large swath of the populace, but a large part of the Democratic base is much more "realistic" about him now. "The gays," for instance, will never be as excited about Obama as they were in 2008 now that he has a pretty lukewarm record on those issues.

You can see that, in part, by looking at Obama's approval ratings. They're not abysmal, but they're definitely upside down. That doesn't mean things are over for him, but it does mean that he's in worse shape now than Bush was at this point. Worse, in fact, than most points in the Bush first-term presidency. (Though Bush was indeed upside down for a very brief period during the 2004 campaign.)

You can keep your fingers crossed all you want, but your talk of an Obama landslide accompanied by a map where South Dakota somehow leans toward him is patently ridiculous. It's a scenario, but one entirely devoid of supporting data at this point. Don't pretend otherwise.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 29, 2010, 11:07:51 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47% u

Disapprove 52% u


"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.


Massive stability.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ScottM on April 29, 2010, 02:33:09 PM

I've decided to do the same myself.

I'd like to make a point about some of the States the liberals here keep trying to convince us Obama will pick up in 2012. One of the things I like about Rasmussen's polling is the information he provides about voters who have strong opinions about politicians. A voter who strongly approves of a candidate is probably almost certain to vote for that candidate, while if the voter strongly disapproves, said candidate can forget that individuals vote.

In Georgia, right now Rasmussen finds 51% of likely voters strongly disapproving of Obama's job performance. In Missouri that number is 46%. In North Dakota it's also 46%. And in South Dakota it's 47%.

All of those numbers are from surveys taken this month, and all of them show that nearly - more than in Georgia's case - half of the voters in those States are almost certain to oppose Obama as of right now. When you consider the fact that some states that Obama won in 2008 give him similar numbers, as of right now, the picture isn't nearly as rosy for Obama as those on the left would have us believe.

Now, before anyone says that a lot can change between now and 2012, I'm very well aware of that. I know a lot of things will change. But, I also know that anyone who claims to have a stranglehold on what's going to happen (as some here seem to believe they do), is delusional. My opinion is that he's in a little bit of trouble, but, again, it's only an opinion, and only time will tell.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: old timey villain on April 29, 2010, 02:37:49 PM
an opinion based on wishful thinking. At this point anyone's election prediction is based on what they want to happen.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ScottM on April 29, 2010, 02:41:55 PM
an opinion based on wishful thinking. At this point anyone's election prediction is based on what they want to happen.

Opinion is the key word. It's not something I'm throwing out at random. Yes, I hope I'm right, but that's not the basis for the opinions that I form. It was my opinion that Obama would defeat McCain, I certainly didn't want him to, but the facts as I saw them told me that it would happen. Granted, I didn't expect Obama to win IN or NC, but I think I was probably in the majority there.

So, for the record, while I am very optimistic about 2010 and 2012, I'm not a partisan hack. I call it as I see it, and if I see things turning the other way, I'll be honest about it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: old timey villain on April 29, 2010, 03:54:51 PM
let's just agree that any 2012 prediction could be way off. This time last year, his approval rating was well above 60%. Even more can happen in two and a half years.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ScottM on April 29, 2010, 04:06:10 PM
let's just agree that any 2012 prediction could be way off. This time last year, his approval rating was well above 60%. Even more can happen in two and a half years.

Agreed. That's exactly what I'm saying. Like I said, anyone who claims to have a stranglehold on what's going to happen is delusional. I think we can also agree that there are quite a few delusional posters here - on both sides.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 29, 2010, 04:45:15 PM
Nevada -- two Rasmussen polls, one showing 47% and one showing 48% approval for President Obama. Big improvements for the President from last time. Which one I accept doesn't matter.

Harry Reid is still in political trouble.

So much for Oregon being an imaginable pickup for the GOP in 2012 unless things change drastically: (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/oregon/toplines/toplines_oregon_governor_april_26_2010)



Oregon Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted April 26, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

41% Strongly approve
18% Somewhat approve
6% Somewhat disapprove
34% Strongly disapprove
0% Not sure   

(
)

Mixed approval and favorability (the latter, Arkansas, Michigan, and Ohio only):

(
)

The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

36 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.



(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  142
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  12
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 98
white                        too close to call  40
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  37
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   45
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 55  

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

Favorability is probably 1% below the vote.  This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.










Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 29, 2010, 05:03:48 PM
let's just agree that any 2012 prediction could be way off. This time last year, his approval rating was well above 60%. Even more can happen in two and a half years.

Much, some of it completely unpredictable, will happen between now and November 2012.

Last year, Congress had yet to enact any controversial legislation. The Tea Party movement that has done much to undercut support for the President (legitimately or otherwise -- your choice!) had just started. The platitudes of the campaign had yet to show their meaning.


We have yet to see how the economy will be in 2012. We have yet to see whether America will have had honorable exits from Afghanistan and Iraq. People will understand better how the health care (financing) reform works by 2012. Maybe they will still want it repealed; maybe they will want it repealed. Who knows? Tthe President always has some possibility of getting ensnared in a scandal. For obvious reasons, this one could not get away with a tryst with a pretty white girl as could Bill Clinton (not that Monica Lewinsky is pretty!)

Above all, we have no idea of who the Republican nominee for President will be. Some possibility remains that we will find a Reagan-like figure who can transcend regional differences and convince us that Obama is a poor President. Some possibility also remains that the dreadful Detroit Lions will win the 2011 Super Bowl, too.

With the current weak field of GOP candidates for nomination, it is worth remembering that ifhalf the public wants to re-elect and about 5% thinks "sort-of-OK" will win a decisive majority of the popular vote and as a rule the Electoral College. "Sort-of-OK" is good enough to win.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on April 29, 2010, 05:15:29 PM
What candidates do you consider to be weak? I think Huckabee, Romney, and Daniels would beat Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 29, 2010, 05:31:40 PM
What candidates do you consider to be weak? I think Huckabee, Romney, and Daniels would beat Obama.

Romney probably reduces President Obama's 2008 margins in the Blue Firewall under almost any circumstances, but not enough to win a state like Minnesota or Pennsylvania unless President Obama is a disaster. He probably fares weaker in the South than did John McCain under most circumstances.

By releasing a murderer who eventually became a cop-killer, Mike Huckabee has become the right-wing version of Mike Dukakis.

Mitch Daniels? We don't really know him well. The Toll Road deal isn't popular in Ohio or Michigan; Daniels will need to win Ohio to win. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on April 29, 2010, 05:47:19 PM
What candidates do you consider to be weak? I think Huckabee, Romney, and Daniels would beat Obama.

Romney probably reduces President Obama's 2008 margins in the Blue Firewall under almost any circumstances, but not enough to win a state like Minnesota or Pennsylvania unless President Obama is a disaster. He probably fares weaker in the South than did John McCain under most circumstances.

By releasing a murderer who eventually became a cop-killer, Mike Huckabee has become the right-wing version of Mike Dukakis.

Mitch Daniels? We don't really know him well. The Toll Road deal isn't popular in Ohio or Michigan; Daniels will need to win Ohio to win. 

Those are good points however there are other things to consider. One is that by not knowing about Mitch Daniels, he has the advantage. We didn't know much about Clinton either. Romney would not need to win PA or MN to be elected because Bush won both times without either one. Also, Ohio will not have to be in the GOP column anymore. The 2012 electoral map will make it possible for the GOP to win with FL and a combination of states such as IA, NV, CO, and NM. If you took the 2004 map and gave Kerry Ohio but plugged in the 2012 electoral votes, Bush would still have about 273, 274, or 275.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 30, 2010, 12:06:59 AM
Oregon Survey of 500 Likely Voters

41% Strongly approve
18% Somewhat approve
6% Somewhat disapprove
34% Strongly disapprove
0% Not sure

That is definitely an outlier, Oregon is no way better for Obama now than it was on Election Night 2008.

BTW, there`s also Ohio (Quinnipiac):

45% Approve
50% Disapprove

From April 21 - 26, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,568 registered Ohio voters, with a margin of error of +/- 2.5 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1322.xml?ReleaseID=1450

There are also some favorable ratings from R2000/Dailykos:

Arkansas: 39% favorable, 58% unfavorable

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2010/4/28/AR/483

Nevada: 44% favorable, 47% unfavorable

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2010/4/28/NV/485


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 30, 2010, 08:46:21 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47% u

Disapprove 53% +1


"Strongly Approve" is at 32%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on April 30, 2010, 01:23:21 PM
Rasmussen in my home state of Illinois

61% approve
39% disapprove


And Rasmussen in Delaware

54% approve
46% disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on April 30, 2010, 01:45:49 PM
Delaware would've been a little closer without Biden on the ticket; about 59-40.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on April 30, 2010, 03:14:54 PM
Seems pretty stable in the high 40's, when is something exciting going to happen? :(


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 30, 2010, 03:54:54 PM
 Home states for the President and Vice-President; no huge surprises:

(
)

Mixed approval and favorability (the latter, Arkansas, Michigan, and Ohio only):

(
)

The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

37 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.



(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  145
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  12
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 98
white                        too close to call  40
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  37
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   45
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 55  

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

Favorability is probably 1% below the vote.  This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.











Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on April 30, 2010, 04:12:38 PM
Obama loves being in the 40's lol. Wonder how much he'll like it on election night.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: old timey villain on April 30, 2010, 04:25:21 PM
yeah, he definitely just loves it. Very perceptive.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 01, 2010, 09:25:24 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 46% -1

Disapprove 53% u


"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 01, 2010, 02:14:25 PM
Obama loves being in the 40's lol. Wonder how much he'll like it on election night.

George W. Bush had approval ratings in that area through most of the autumn of 2004.

What votes does an incumbent get in his re-election bid?

1. "I think that he is wonderful!"

2.  "He has done fine"

3.  "He is sort of OK, I guess!"

4.  "At least we know what we have here."

5. "The other guy just doesn't convince me, and I i will stick with what we have."

Won't vote, or will vote for a Third Party candidate:

1. They're both equally bad.

2. All politicians are crooks.

Will vote for the Other Guy:

1. I never vote for anyone in his Party.

2. He's awful.

3. He's the Antichrist/Hitler/Stalin/Mao/Saddam/Idi Amin! 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on May 01, 2010, 04:08:10 PM
You forgot to mention that he has a member of NAMBLA as a czar that would be all I focused on when talking to families with children.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 02, 2010, 01:18:45 AM
Indiana (SurveyUSA):

34% Approve
57% Disapprove

This SurveyUSA poll was conducted by telephone in the voice of a professional announcer. Respondent households were selected at random, using a registration  based sample (RBS) provided by Aristotle, of Washington DC. All respondents heard the  questions asked identically. The calls were conducted from April 22 through 26.

http://www.scribd.com/INSenPollRCP/d/30717107


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on May 02, 2010, 02:43:36 AM
Indiana (SurveyUSA):

34% Approve
57% Disapprove

This SurveyUSA poll was conducted by telephone in the voice of a professional announcer. Respondent households were selected at random, using a registration  based sample (RBS) provided by Aristotle, of Washington DC. All respondents heard the  questions asked identically. The calls were conducted from April 22 through 26.

http://www.scribd.com/INSenPollRCP/d/30717107

UGLY! How did he actually win that state again? Haha.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on May 02, 2010, 03:08:29 AM
That's what I'm talking about! Bye Bye Barack.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on May 02, 2010, 03:40:54 AM
What kind of age demographics are these national polls (Rasmussen, Gallup) using? If they are using a LV screen for the midterms to get these numbers, they are vastly underestimating the number of young voters who will turn out to vote in 2012. If this is the case, wouldn't Obama's approval be a few points higher amongst a 2012 electorate than is being shown by the current polls?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on May 02, 2010, 04:04:57 AM
What kind of age demographics are these national polls (Rasmussen, Gallup) using? If they are using a LV screen for the midterms to get these numbers, they are vastly underestimating the number of young voters who will turn out to vote in 2012. If this is the case, wouldn't Obama's approval be a few points higher amongst a 2012 electorate than is being shown by the current polls?

In theory, but if Obama is prancing around college campuses instead of fighting Al-Qaida, then the GOP will more than make up for it with TV ads showing that's what he is doing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on May 02, 2010, 05:44:03 AM
That's what I'm talking about! Bye Bye Barack.

He's here until January 2013 at the very least, so I'd try get used to him. :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on May 02, 2010, 07:32:25 AM
Rasmussen in my home state of Illinois

61% approve
39% disapprove


And Rasmussen in Delaware

54% approve
46% disapprove


Is it just me or are state approvals quite a bit better than national approvals would suggest?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 02, 2010, 08:21:06 AM
Indiana (SurveyUSA):

34% Approve
57% Disapprove

This SurveyUSA poll was conducted by telephone in the voice of a professional announcer. Respondent households were selected at random, using a registration  based sample (RBS) provided by Aristotle, of Washington DC. All respondents heard the  questions asked identically. The calls were conducted from April 22 through 26.

http://www.scribd.com/INSenPollRCP/d/30717107

UGLY! How did he actually win that state again? Haha.

Because John McCain was a lousy candidate?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 02, 2010, 10:13:32 AM
Indiana (SurveyUSA):

34% Approve
57% Disapprove

This SurveyUSA poll was conducted by telephone in the voice of a professional announcer. Respondent households were selected at random, using a registration  based sample (RBS) provided by Aristotle, of Washington DC. All respondents heard the  questions asked identically. The calls were conducted from April 22 through 26.

http://www.scribd.com/INSenPollRCP/d/30717107

UGLY! How did he actually win that state again? Haha.

Because John McCain was a lousy candidate?

No, because the McCain camp took Indiana for granted, just like Coakley took MA for granted.

BTW, todays Rasmussen:

48% Approve (+2)
51% Disapprove (-2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on May 02, 2010, 11:19:17 AM
Indiana (SurveyUSA):

34% Approve
57% Disapprove

This SurveyUSA poll was conducted by telephone in the voice of a professional announcer. Respondent households were selected at random, using a registration  based sample (RBS) provided by Aristotle, of Washington DC. All respondents heard the  questions asked identically. The calls were conducted from April 22 through 26.

http://www.scribd.com/INSenPollRCP/d/30717107

I'd take that with a grain of salt. I just read it, it says that 77% of people who said they voted for Obama still approve of him. 90% of people who voted for McCain dissaprove.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on May 02, 2010, 11:48:20 AM
Could we be getting low numbers possibly due to the attention on the oil crisis?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on May 02, 2010, 12:06:33 PM
Indiana (SurveyUSA):

34% Approve
57% Disapprove

This SurveyUSA poll was conducted by telephone in the voice of a professional announcer. Respondent households were selected at random, using a registration  based sample (RBS) provided by Aristotle, of Washington DC. All respondents heard the  questions asked identically. The calls were conducted from April 22 through 26.

http://www.scribd.com/INSenPollRCP/d/30717107

I'd take that with a grain of salt. I just read it, it says that 77% of people who said they voted for Obama still approve of him. 90% of people who voted for McCain dissaprove.

There have been several polls taken in Indiana, all with similar results. He is despised in rural areas right now, so this comes as no suprise to me.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 02, 2010, 12:08:13 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% +2

Disapprove 51% -2


"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on May 02, 2010, 12:38:16 PM
Obama approval rating for April 2010 (Gallup):

49% Approve

45% disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 41/43 (April 1978)

Reagan: 44/47 (April 1982)

Bush I: 68/17 (April 1990)

Clinton: 50/43 (April 1994)

Bush II: 76/19 (April 2002)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on May 02, 2010, 01:18:57 PM
You guys do know that Pollster.com (http://www.pollster.com) does a pretty good job at tracking these kinds of things, right?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on May 02, 2010, 02:46:27 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% +2

Disapprove 51% -2


"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -1.


how terrible


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 02, 2010, 03:07:08 PM
Indiana (SurveyUSA):

34% Approve
57% Disapprove

This SurveyUSA poll was conducted by telephone in the voice of a professional announcer. Respondent households were selected at random, using a registration  based sample (RBS) provided by Aristotle, of Washington DC. All respondents heard the  questions asked identically. The calls were conducted from April 22 through 26.

http://www.scribd.com/INSenPollRCP/d/30717107

UGLY! How did he actually win that state again? Haha.

1. Indiana is ordinarily a difficult state in which to campaign for the Presidency.  It has few direct flights except from neighboring states. To get to almost anywhere in Indiana  from outside Indiana by air one practically has to go through Chicago.

The only two Democratic Presidents who have made Indiana close in anything other than monumental blowouts in this century have been Truman (with his whistle-stop train tour that had few logistical difficulties but will never be repeated) and Obama.

Maybe geography suggests the explanation:  Truman was from Missouri, a state similar to Indiana in many respects; Obama campaigned from Chicago  and could turn the usual advantages of the GOP on their head. In close elections, Kennedy '60 (from New England), Carter '76 (from the South), Gore '00 (from who knows where), and Kerry '04 (from New England) got clobbered in Indiana even though winning some nearby states. Bill Clinton, who won with electoral-vote majorities similar to those of Obama '08, lost Indiana by a large margin twice despite winning every state surrounding Indiana.

Obama turned the usual advantages of Republicans against John McCain in Indiana... and won this time.
   
The Obama campaign operated from Chicago. and Obama could campaign extensively in the state in 2008 with frequent appearances. He won't get that chance in 2012 unless the state is the absolute difference between winning and losing.

2. Indiana became contested because of its location. Obama got huge amounts of free publicity while the junior Senator from Illinois not only in Chicago, whose TV broadcasts cover the highly-populated northwestern part of the state, but also Terre Haute and Evansville, whose signals go deep into Illinois.   Michigan was in doubt long into the summer, and to get advertising time into a significant part of Michigan, the campaign had to buy advertising in South Bend. To reach parts of northwestern Ohio, always in doubt until Election Night, the Obama campaign had to buy advertising time in Fort Wayne. Southeastern Indiana is flooded with advertising from Dayton and Cincinnati... and the Obama campaign bought much time in Dayton and Cincinnati.

Indiana was close throughout 2008 -- and when it appeared that Indiana was winnable, the Obama campaign bought ad time in Indianapolis. A state that rarely gets advertising in Presidential elections got huge amounts in 2008. 2012? Obama could win 400 electoral votes and still lose Indiana.

2. It is entirely possible that Obama won the state over issues of economics. Indiana, like its neighbors, is part of the Rust Belt.  (Louisville is Rust Belt, so don't try to use Kentucky as an exception). People who feared a reprise of the Great Depression and thought the GOP unable to meet the danger voted for Obama. In 2012 Obama will preside over a greatly-improved economic situation in which Indiana reverts to its more usual concerns in national politics or one little improved, for which he will be blamed.

3. Indiana is one of two states in whole or part in the northeastern quadrant of the United States (Virginia is the other) that had not voted for a Republican in any Presidential election since 1964. The state may have been drifting D for a decade or so, but it is still more R than the national average. Obama loses this state  with anything less than a 53-47 split of the popular vote.

This entire quadrant has been drifting D since 1980. Economic circumstances are now similar  to those of Michigan and Ohio. 2008 may have been a fluke in Indiana, but if it isn't... 

4. I don't see Indiana as a likely win for Obama in 2008 unless he has an electoral blowout.  It is far easier and more rewarding to campaign in Ohio, Virginia, Colorado, Nevada, Arizona, and Florida. He can't do as extensive campaigning in 2012 in Indiana as he did in 2008. Even Texas, of all places, looks like a more likely win for Obama in 2012 than does Indiana.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: yougo1000 on May 02, 2010, 03:07:44 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% +2

Disapprove 51% -2


"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -1.


how terrible


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on May 02, 2010, 09:26:03 PM
Rasmussen in my home state of Illinois

61% approve
39% disapprove


And Rasmussen in Delaware

54% approve
46% disapprove


Is it just me or are state approvals quite a bit better than national approvals would suggest?

My particular formula says no.  I'm going to update the state approvals next week when I get the last straggler April polls, but unless something surprising occurs, it will say this:

ALL POLLS:  48% Approve, 48% Disapprove (from 47% Approve, 49% Disapprove)
W/O RASMUSSEN:  48% Approve, 46% Disapprove (from 47% Approve, 47% Disapprove)
RASMUSSEN LAST POLL/COMBINED LAST THREE:  48% Approve, 51% Disapprove (unchanged)

Rasmussen is saying 47/52 last month (among LV).  Gallup says 49/45 last month (among adults, which, given Gallup's normal formula for RV/LV, means you move the numbers 3 to 4 points towards Republicans, which also therefore means that his approval with Gallup aligns with Rasmussen).

48% is not different enough from 47% for me to say that it's anything except for MOE.  The disapprovals differ, but that probably has to do with methodology (and we can argue on that a bit, whatever). 

Fact is, I think it's pretty clear to me that 46% of the country is in the solid disapproval category and 46%-48% of the country is in the solid approval category.  And this is where I agree with Rasmussen (and have said so before) because I think it's been this way since October of last year (maybe since after Labor Day, but not before then).  It can stay this way for a while, and may well do so.  I think we get some action on way or another before 2012, of course, and probably during 2011, at latest.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on May 02, 2010, 10:17:16 PM
61% seems a little high for Illinois even though that's his home state and it's a democrat stronghold. I'd put it in the top 5 democrat states at the presidential level with NY, RI, VT, and HI.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President Mitt on May 02, 2010, 10:18:44 PM
61% seems a little high for Illinois even though that's his home state and it's a democrat stronghold. I'd put it in the top 5 democrat states at the presidential level with NY, RI, VT, and HI.

I severely doubt the Right Wing Thailand party has much strength in Illinois, New York, or any of the states you mentioned for that matter.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on May 02, 2010, 10:22:40 PM
61% seems a little high for Illinois even though that's his home state and it's a democrat stronghold. I'd put it in the top 5 democrat states at the presidential level with NY, RI, VT, and HI.

I severely doubt the Right Wing Thailand party has much strength in Illinois, New York, or any of the states you mentioned for that matter.

That's what I was saying thanks.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: old timey villain on May 03, 2010, 01:48:54 AM
Rasmussen in my home state of Illinois

61% approve
39% disapprove


And Rasmussen in Delaware

54% approve
46% disapprove


Is it just me or are state approvals quite a bit better than national approvals would suggest?

My particular formula says no.  I'm going to update the state approvals next week when I get the last straggler April polls, but unless something surprising occurs, it will say this:

ALL POLLS:  48% Approve, 48% Disapprove (from 47% Approve, 49% Disapprove)
W/O RASMUSSEN:  48% Approve, 46% Disapprove (from 47% Approve, 47% Disapprove)
RASMUSSEN LAST POLL/COMBINED LAST THREE:  48% Approve, 51% Disapprove (unchanged)

Rasmussen is saying 47/52 last month (among LV).  Gallup says 49/45 last month (among adults, which, given Gallup's normal formula for RV/LV, means you move the numbers 3 to 4 points towards Republicans, which also therefore means that his approval with Gallup aligns with Rasmussen).

48% is not different enough from 47% for me to say that it's anything except for MOE.  The disapprovals differ, but that probably has to do with methodology (and we can argue on that a bit, whatever). 

Fact is, I think it's pretty clear to me that 46% of the country is in the solid disapproval category and 46%-48% of the country is in the solid approval category.  And this is where I agree with Rasmussen (and have said so before) because I think it's been this way since October of last year (maybe since after Labor Day, but not before then).  It can stay this way for a while, and may well do so.  I think we get some action on way or another before 2012, of course, and probably during 2011, at latest.

46% approval looks bad, and you can argue that it is, but 46% of people also voted against him in 2008, and his victory was considered a landslide. What I can see from the approval ratings these days is that most of the people disapproving of him disapproved from the start and just gave him a honeymoon, while most people approving were always rooting for him.
  The current political and social polarization so present in these uncertain times have created sort of a stagnant approval for Obama, with people firmly planted in their approval/disapproval camps where they'll hunker down until things get better. If they do get better then we'll see more people approve of him, but if things get worse then the opposite will happen.
  Fast forward to 2012, let's say things are looking good for the O. There's still only so many votes he can get. Bubba down in south Alabama aint votin for so Osama Muslim, no matter how good things are for him or the country. Consequently, a San Francisco tree hugger will never vote for the current Republican party in 2012, no matter how unpopular Obama may be. So basically, both parties really only have a little wiggle room- let's see what they do with it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 03, 2010, 07:38:48 AM
In anticipation of the Kentucky Derby:

No, just coincidence! (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/kentucky/toplines/toplines_kentucky_senate_april_28_2010)

Not too bad for a state in which President Obama lost badly in 2008.

(
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Mixed approval and favorability (the latter, Arkansas, Michigan, and Ohio only):

(
)

The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

37 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  145
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  12
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 98
white                        too close to call  40
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  37
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   53
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 47  

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

Favorability is probably 1% below the vote.  This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.












Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on May 03, 2010, 07:43:12 AM
Indiana (SurveyUSA):

34% Approve
57% Disapprove

This SurveyUSA poll was conducted by telephone in the voice of a professional announcer. Respondent households were selected at random, using a registration  based sample (RBS) provided by Aristotle, of Washington DC. All respondents heard the  questions asked identically. The calls were conducted from April 22 through 26.

http://www.scribd.com/INSenPollRCP/d/30717107

UGLY! How did he actually win that state again? Haha.

voodoun magicks


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 03, 2010, 07:44:42 AM
In anticipation of the Kentucky Derby:

No, just coincidence! (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/kentucky/toplines/toplines_kentucky_senate_april_28_2010)

Not too bad for a state in which President Obama lost badly in 2008.

OMGZ !!! Rasmussen exposes their GOP hackishness !!!

Look at the picture on their website:

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The real picture should look like this:

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:)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on May 03, 2010, 08:52:07 AM
It's hard for me to take anything Sam says seriously with that dog picture in his signature.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on May 03, 2010, 09:05:29 AM
61% seems a little high for Illinois even though that's his home state and it's a democrat stronghold. I'd put it in the top 5 democrat states at the presidential level with NY, RI, VT, and HI.

I severely doubt the Right Wing Thailand party has much strength in Illinois, New York, or any of the states you mentioned for that matter.

That's what I was saying thanks.

I think you might need some help with your reading comprehension, light bulb.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on May 03, 2010, 01:06:02 PM
What is with the now-dissipated bounce on Gallup?  He went from -3 approval to +7 in about a week, and is now back down to about even.  Am I reading too much into that, or does it seem like more than statistical noise?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on May 03, 2010, 01:12:00 PM
What is with the now-dissipated bounce on Gallup?  He went from -3 approval to +7 in about a week, and is now back down to about even.  Am I reading too much into that, or does it seem like more than statistical noise?

It's the liberal media what do you expect. Palin says it best..... lamestream!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 03, 2010, 03:10:23 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% u

Disapprove 51% u


"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 04, 2010, 12:36:35 AM
LA (SMOR):

39% Excellent/Good
58% Fair/Poor

http://www.bayoubuzz.com/News/Louisiana/Politics/Louisiana_Poll_Jindal_Vitter_Melancon_Landrieu_Budget_Obama_Legislature__10756.asp

UT (Mason-Dixon):

30% Favorable
54% Unfavorable

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_15005335

UT (Dan Jones):

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: exopolitician on May 04, 2010, 12:59:07 AM
Orrin Hatch?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 04, 2010, 11:27:01 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% u

Disapprove 51% u


"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, +1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: old timey villain on May 04, 2010, 12:35:08 PM
Gallup is back to normal

Approve: 50 (+ 3)
Disapprove: 45 (- 2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on May 04, 2010, 02:07:04 PM
I can't get over Obama being at 47% in Florida. That seems way too high for how he is doing nationally. Florida is usually about 5 points to the right of the nation at the presidential level.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on May 04, 2010, 08:33:55 PM
I can't get over Obama being at 47% in Florida. That seems way too high for how he is doing nationally. Florida is usually about 5 points to the right of the nation at the presidential level.

The fact that SD is actually red should worry people more.

Of course, poll data did suggest (Nov 2008) that Florida would go McCain and SD to Obama.

What is the margin of error usually between polls and actual elections?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on May 04, 2010, 10:53:55 PM
I can't get over Obama being at 47% in Florida. That seems way too high for how he is doing nationally. Florida is usually about 5 points to the right of the nation at the presidential level.

The fact that SD is actually red should worry people more.

Of course, poll data did suggest (Nov 2008) that Florida would go McCain and SD to Obama.

What is the margin of error usually between polls and actual elections?

5 points, but I'm referring to actual results and not polling. Are you sure about SD polls because I don't remember seeing any polls there with Obama leading? The closest I remember was McCain by 4 and that was a big Democratic year. Under these conditions I see SD going back to 60% GOP. Most likely upper 50's though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 05, 2010, 12:41:12 AM
Florida (Rasmussen):

47% Approve
53% Disapprove

(Gov. Crist)

62% Approve
38% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Florida was conducted by Rasmussen Reports, May 3, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/florida/toplines/toplines_florida_senate_may_3_2010)

Missouri (Rasmussen):

42% Approve
56% Disapprove

(Gov. Nixon)

56% Approve
39% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Missouri was conducted by Rasmussen Reports, May 3, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/missouri/toplines/toplines_2010_missouri_senate_may_3_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 05, 2010, 09:15:12 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% u

Disapprove 52% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on May 05, 2010, 09:20:50 AM
I actually believe that the "strongly disapprove" is the important category... for now. If that number rises, he will be in trouble. The ones who moderately disapprove are a part of the more swayable population.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: old timey villain on May 05, 2010, 01:05:28 PM
continuing good news for Obama on Gallup.
Approve: 50
Disapprove: 43 (-2)

could this be the beginning of an upward trend?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on May 05, 2010, 01:38:34 PM
It's Gallup... wild swings is its specialty.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on May 05, 2010, 08:27:07 PM
At this point, I don't see Obama winning Missouri or Florida in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 05, 2010, 08:27:27 PM
First May polls: Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Michigan, Missouri, Washington


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Mixed approval and favorability (the latter,  Michigan, and Ohio only):

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The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

37 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  157
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  16
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 134
white                        too close to call  3
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  48
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   42
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 47  

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

Favorability is probably 1% below the vote.  This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.














Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on May 05, 2010, 11:18:55 PM
Hmm, by that map the election would be 08 all over again without Indiana (and possibly Virginia).

Main difference would probably be that there would be tons more battleground states for the opposition to work out of.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: old timey villain on May 05, 2010, 11:23:41 PM
Obama is basically getting to the place he was during the election, with the Northeast, upper midwest and west coast strongly approving, and certain battleground states giving him just majority approval. If the election were held today, he would probably lose Indiana, NC and maybe Virginia but keep everything else.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 06, 2010, 07:45:36 AM
Obama is basically getting to the place he was during the election, with the Northeast, upper midwest and west coast strongly approving, and certain battleground states giving him just majority approval. If the election were held today, he would probably lose Indiana, NC and maybe Virginia but keep everything else.

I'm not putting much faith in Texas being close in 2012 despite the pale blue shade. Texas is a difficult state to poll because of its size and lack of homogeneity. 

Virginia simply hasn't been polled for a long time. The gubernatorial race is over, and there's no Senate race.   Approval ratings for the Governor would be interesting. Considering how North Carolina is going, neighboring Virginia might not be an assumed lock for the GOP. 

Minnesota hasn't been polled for a long time, either.

Things look much as they did in roughly August 2008, which suggests that

(1) political cultures within the States have on the whole changed little -- except perhaps in Arizona and Indiana.

(2) the acrimony about health-care reform is fading away.

(3) Indiana in 2008 was probably a freakish situation -- the statewide GOP had nothing to lose and contested the race little, the Indiana economy was almost as much in the tank as were the economies of neighboring Illinois, Michigan, and Ohio, and that Obama campaigned heavily there.

(4) The Dakotas were in doubt throughout the summer of 2008. 

Another possibility:

The GOP peaked far too early for the 2012 Presidential election. President Obama seems shrewd enough to have timed his most controversial programs to coincide with the time of greatest safety to himself -- and perhaps (note the weasel word) his Senate and Congressional allies.

This country now needs a genuine conservative opposition to this President -- an opposition that doesn't simply vote in lockstep, but instead votes for what is best for its states and Congressional districts irrespective of partisanship.  It needs to establish some credibility -- an individual characteristic and not the result of some partisan or ideological position.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 06, 2010, 11:53:01 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47% -1

Disapprove 52% u


"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on May 06, 2010, 12:26:57 PM
Rasmussen North Carolina: 44/56


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: old timey villain on May 06, 2010, 12:29:29 PM
We might as well throw in the towel, folks.  Obama is rebounding rapidly, the economy is growing almost too fast, and in contrast to Bush and Katrina, Obama reacted quickly to the oil spill in only six days.  Meanwhile, the Republican Party is divided over illegal immigration, and Hispanics are rapidly turning away from the GOP.  I hate to say it, folks, but if we keep this up then in 2012 we'll lose:

TEXAS
As much as I want to jump for you at this prospect, I would say that it's way too early to make this assessment. A few months ago, after Scott Brown was elected Obama was in dire straits and both the 2010 and 2012 elections looked to be bad for dems. Honestly, I didn't think any of us dems expected healthcare to be such an ugly, bitter fight. My point is, things could change rapidly- and they probably will in some way or another. Here is what is certain right now-
1) Republicans have pissed off hispanics through the Sotomayor conformation and the Arizona immigration law. I don't see them being a competitive group in 2012 unless the GOP does a hell of a lot to woo them.
2) Blacks love Obama, young people love Obama, highly educated people love Obama, jews love obama, most asians love Obama, he has these groups in the bag.
3)The economy is improving and when real improvement is seen Obama's approvals go up.
4)Terrorism could be his weakness, a successive number of terror scares can and will damage his credibility.
5) Immigration reform will be polarizing

that's all I got...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 06, 2010, 01:36:37 PM
Kentucky (PPP):

37% Approve
59% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 946 Kentucky voters on May 1st and 2nd. The margin of error for the survey was +/-3.2%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_KY_505.pdf

New Hampshire (UNH):

50% Approve
46% Disapprove

50% Favorable
44% Unfavorable

These findings are based on the latest WMUR Granite State Poll, conducted by the University of New Hampshire Survey Center. 512 randomly selected New Hampshire adults were interviewed by telephone between April 18 and April 28, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.4 percent.

http://www.unh.edu/survey-center/news/pdf/gsp2010_spring_presapp50410.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 06, 2010, 03:18:09 PM
KY, NC, NH updates


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Mixed approval and favorability (Ohio only):

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The same key applies to both maps. Take your pick.

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

37 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  157
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  20
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 115
white                        too close to call  18
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  48
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   34
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
 55  

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

Favorability is probably 1% below the vote.  This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.















Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: JerryBrown2010 on May 06, 2010, 06:12:46 PM
Fox News (National)

 Approve 48%
 Disapprove 43%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on May 06, 2010, 11:38:51 PM
48/46 All State/National Journal


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on May 06, 2010, 11:44:37 PM
If trends due continue, Texas will be gone for the GOP by 2025. I don't think it will though, the Hispanic community hasn't been dumbed down enough to fall into that partisan trap.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on May 06, 2010, 11:45:00 PM
If trends do continue, Texas will be gone for the GOP by 2025. I don't think it will though, the Hispanic community hasn't been dumbed down enough to fall into that partisan trap.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 07, 2010, 08:31:53 AM
Indiana State Survey of 500 Likely Voters (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/indiana/election_2010_indiana_senate)
Conducted May 5-6, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

23% Strongly approve
20% Somewhat approve
12% Somewhat disapprove
44% Strongly disapprove
1% Not sure

Approval only, as the effects of favorability and approval are easily normed:


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

37 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House. I have now recounted the likely electoral votes.



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  164
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  20
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 100
white                        too close to call  18
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  59
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   51
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  35
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.















Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on May 07, 2010, 09:49:20 AM
Us conservatives need to find a way to knock that guy's numbers down in Ohio. That's very scary.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on May 07, 2010, 11:01:51 AM
Rasmussen has Obama at 48 in Ohio but 45 nationally.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 07, 2010, 12:19:57 PM
Us conservatives need to find a way to knock that guy's numbers down in Ohio. That's very scary.

His numbers in Ohio roughly parallel the national numbers.  pbrower2a is adding six to Obama's numbers in the second map for ... who knows what reason.

It's probably four in that case (Ohio), as it is more than two years away from the election, and I figure that the effect peaks for an incumbent President around 44% approval early on. He won't run unopposed.

In any event I use the model for an incumbent facing a "known" challenger. That may be unduly cautious in this case unless the GOP finds "the New Reagan" who has the ability to win over a big part of the Blue Firewall.

An incumbent Senator or Governor has huge advantages in any effort to win re-election, and those are much the same for a President:

1. Free attention from the media, the attention allowing his campaign to complement the attention with targeted campaign efforts. A challenger must campaign more and buy more advertising access to get a message out, and the message often ends up a muddle.

2. Control of the agenda. An incumbent President really has that and if he is at all competent, he can exploit it without any cynical ploys.

3. The accoutrements of office that impress people who vote for the incumbent under almost any circumstance because the incumbent President is the ultimate expression of power.

4. Being better-known than the challenger.

5. (Except for Gerald Ford), the proven ability to manage a successful campaign for President.

Of course that all fails if the President is generally recognized as incompetent, insensitive, or offensive -- in which case the incumbent President needs much more than a 6% gain in the vote from his approval rating, and probably lacks the time or ability to get it.  

We have yet to see the 2012  election; I predict that the smooth campaign machine of 2008 and the slick campaigner will both be available in the autumn of 2012 as they were in 2008 and aren't now. The President seems to have taken his lumps (on health-care reform) early enough that they won't be an issue of first rank in 2012.

George W. Bush had nationwide approval ratings below 50% throughout most of the 2004 campaign -- and he still won. Figure that Barack Obama could do much the same because he is a slicker campaigner.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl on May 07, 2010, 12:21:17 PM
Us conservatives need to find a way to knock that guy's numbers down in Ohio. That's very scary.

His numbers in Ohio roughly parallel the national numbers.  pbrower2a is adding six to Obama's numbers in the second map for ... who knows what reason.

It's probably four in that case (Ohio), as it is more than two years away from the election, and I figure that the effect peaks for an incumbent President around 44% approval early on. He won't run unopposed.

In any event I use the model for an incumbent facing a "known" challenger. That may be unduly cautious in this case unless the GOP finds "the New Reagan" who has the ability to win over a big part of the Blue Firewall.

An incumbent Senator or Governor has huge advantages in any effort to win re-election, and those are much the same for a President:

1. Free attention from the media, the attention allowing his campaign to complement the attention with targeted campaign efforts. A challenger must campaign more and buy more advertising access to get a message out, and the message often ends up a muddle.

2. Control of the agenda. An incumbent President really has that and if he is at all competent, he can exploit it without any cynical ploys.

3. The accoutrements of office that impress people who vote for the incumbent under almost any circumstance because the incumbent President is the ultimate expression of power.

4. Being better-known than the challenger.

5. (Except for Gerald Ford), the proven ability to manage a successful campaign for President.

Of course that all fails if the President is generally recognized as incompetent, insensitive, or offensive -- in which case the incumbent President needs much more than a 6% gain in the vote from his approval rating, and probably lacks the time or ability to get it.  

We have yet to see the 2012  election; I predict that the smooth campaign machine of 2008 and the slick campaigner will both be available in the autumn of 2012 as they were in 2008 and aren't now. The President seems to have taken his lumps (on health-care reform) early enough that they won't be an issue of first rank in 2012.

George W. Bush had nationwide approval ratings below 50% throughout most of the 2008 campaign -- and he still won. Figure that Barack Obama could do much the same because he is a slicker campaigner.

George W. Bush didn't win in 2008. (Unless you count his black clone, Barack Obama)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 08, 2010, 07:42:19 AM
Beginning in 1900, 13 of 18 Presidents seeking re-election or at the least continuation of their terms have been re-elected.  That can't be mere coincidence. An incumbent President has advantages that a challenger doesn't have.

Sorry about the typo involving George W. Bush and the 2008 election. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 08, 2010, 08:14:16 AM
Beginning in 1900, 13 of 18 Presidents seeking re-election or at the least continuation of their terms have been re-elected.  That can't be mere coincidence. An incumbent President has advantages that a challenger doesn't have.

Sorry about the typo involving George W. Bush and the 2008 election. 

An incumbent president has advantages, but not overwhelming ones.

Post World War II, we've had two incumbents that looked at the situation and said, "I can't win," and then dropped out (HST, LBJ).  We've had three losses (GRF, JEC, GHWB).  The number that were re-elected was six (HST, DDE, LBJ, RMN, RWR, WJC, GWB).  It is almost even.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on May 08, 2010, 08:17:02 AM
I think Obama rather had problems more problems with his base than with independent minded voters. The fact is that when Bush lost Congress in 2006. his approvals was much lower than Obamas. And the Dems should hold both majorities.

If conservatives were loyal enough to give Bush a second term, Dems who weren't energized should do the same and we weren't giving him the benefit of the doubt.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 08, 2010, 08:37:41 AM
May 7, 2010


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45% -2

Disapprove 54% +2


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, +2.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 08, 2010, 08:40:58 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 46% +1

Disapprove 53% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +1.

The slip below 30% in strongly approve might be some real movement.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Inmate Trump on May 08, 2010, 09:05:02 AM
I think the only thing that's going to get Obama re-elected and allow him to stay in office will be the less than stellar Republican candidate, be it Romney, Palin or Huckabee--all of which are the top 3 contenders at the moment.

Obama can lose; Republicans can take him out.  They just have to put forth the right person and the 3 above are not it.  Someone made the comparison between George W. Bush's approval ratings going into re-election and Obama's.  GWB would've lost if Kerry hadn't been the Democrat's nominee; they put up a horrible candidate and it cost them the election....much the same will likely happen to the Republicans in 2012 if they keep going in the direction they're going (ie, nominating Romney, Palin or Huckabee, three of the worst possible candidates to run a general election).

Palin's good at getting the base riled up but she has WAY too many negatives, more than any general election candidate since........?

Huckabee's got the "good guy" persona down perfectly but he comes across as simple-minded and weak and would not be able to win nationally in places Republicans are going to need to win in (PA, OH, FL).

Romney has no positives, simply put.  He comes across as a liar; someone I wouldn't trust....much the same way John Kerry came across in 2004 with a used car salesman personality added in.  I think he might even be worse than Palin.  At least with her you know what you're getting and you know where she stands on most issues.  With Romney you don't know either.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vosem on May 08, 2010, 10:24:45 AM

Romney has no positives, simply put.  He comes across as a liar; someone I wouldn't trust....much the same way John Kerry came across in 2004 with a used car salesman personality added in.  I think he might even be worse than Palin.  At least with her you know what you're getting and you know where she stands on most issues.  With Romney you don't know either.

Romney's positives:
  • It's the economy, stupid. The recession will either be ongoing or just have ended, and Romney has amazing expertise in economic affairs.
  • Presidentiability. Romney looks presidential. This is a fairly important factor - Obama would've likely won the general election anyway, but this is why he beat Hillary Clinton in the primary.
  • Proven electability. Massachusetts was just as Democratic in 2002 as it is now, and Romney won. 2006 presidential polling showed Romney in single digits - he came in second overall. Romney is electable.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on May 08, 2010, 11:01:20 AM
Obama Job Approval chart - ALL POLLS
Updated May 8, 2010

Methodology (at this point - will probably start narrowing closer to 2010 elections)

- All polls per state done in last six weeks (must be started after March 29 for this week), maximum one poll per firm.
- Other polls done in last six months can be included, but no more than three polls per state can be outside the six week envelope and if more than three polls done in last six weeks, no polls before that.  (also if one poll done in last six weeks, then only two can be included in six month period, two polls, then one, etc).
- No favorable polls; no excellent/good/fair/poor polls; no Rutgers-Eagleton/Strategic Vision/any other questionable company; no partisan/internals, my judgment as to what is prevails
- National number is an amalgamation of 2008/2004 turnout with certain additional variables.
- Virginia Gov/Massachusetts Special polls ignored.  New Jersey Gov polls wouldn't be included under the methodology anyways.

State# of PollsObama ApprovalObama Disapproval2008 Obama2004 Kerry2000 Gore
Alabama340%58%39%37%42%
Alaska137%56%38%36%28%
Arizona342%54%45%44%45%
Arkansas337%61%39%45%46%
California358%38%61%54%53%
Colorado246%53%54%47%42%
Connecticut354%41%61%54%56%
D. C.0NoneNone92%89%85%
Delaware254%44%62%53%55%
Florida348%49%51%47%49%
Georgia342%55%47%41%43%
Hawaii177%23%72%54%56%
Idaho233%62%36%30%28%
Illinois256%41%62%55%55%
Indiana239%57%50%39%41%
Iowa348%49%54%49%49%
Kansas238%60%42%37%37%
Kentucky339%59%41%40%41%
Louisiana140%59%40%42%45%
Maine0NoneNone58%54%49%
Maryland258%35%62%56%57%
Massachusetts156%44%62%62%60%
Michigan150%49%57%51%51%
Minnesota149%49%54%51%48%
Mississippi0NoneNone43%40%41%
Missouri343%53%49%46%47%
Montana0NoneNone47%39%33%
Nebraska138%61%42%33%33%
Nevada246%52%55%48%46%
New Hampshire348%48%54%50%47%
New Jersey354%39%57%53%56%
New Mexico250%47%57%49%48%
New York357%40%63%58%60%
North Carolina347%48%50%44%43%
North Dakota144%54%45%36%33%
Ohio344%51%51%49%46%
Oklahoma237%60%34%34%38%
Oregon253%44%57%51%47%
Pennsylvania446%50%54%51%51%
Rhode Island157%41%63%59%61%
South Carolina346%48%45%41%41%
South Dakota243%53%45%38%38%
Tennessee239%57%42%43%47%
Texas338%56%44%38%38%
Utah234%65%34%26%26%
Vermont262%36%67%59%51%
Virginia246%53%53%45%44%
Washington253%45%57%53%50%
West Virginia0NoneNone43%43%46%
Wisconsin346%50%56%50%48%
Wyoming131%68%33%29%28%
NATIONAL48% (47%)48% (49%)53%48%48%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on May 08, 2010, 11:33:40 AM
Obama Job Approval chart - RASMUSSEN LAST 3 POLLS
Updated May 8, 2010

Methodology (at this point - will probably start narrowing closer to 2010 elections)

- This chart covers an average of the last two/three Rasmussen polls within the last six months, or simply the last poll if no poll exists in that time frame.
- National number is an amalgamation of 2008/2004 turnout with certain additional variables.
- Massachusetts Special polls ignored.

State# of PollsObama ApprovalObama Disapproval2008 Obama2004 Kerry2000 Gore
Alabama142%58%39%37%42%
Alaska0NoneNone38%36%28%
Arizona339%59%45%44%45%
Arkansas337%61%39%45%46%
California358%41%61%54%53%
Colorado344%56%54%47%42%
Connecticut354%45%61%54%56%
D. C.0NoneNone92%89%85%
Delaware352%48%62%53%55%
Florida347%52%51%47%49%
Georgia342%56%47%41%43%
Hawaii177%23%72%54%56%
Idaho130%70%36%30%28%
Illinois358%41%62%55%55%
Indiana340%59%50%39%41%
Iowa348%51%54%49%49%
Kansas142%58%42%37%37%
Kentucky339%60%41%40%41%
Louisiana338%61%40%42%45%
Maine0NoneNone58%54%49%
Maryland259%40%62%56%57%
Massachusetts255%45%62%62%60%
Michigan249%50%57%51%51%
Minnesota351%48%54%51%48%
Mississippi0NoneNone43%40%41%
Missouri341%57%49%46%47%
Montana0NoneNone47%39%33%
Nebraska138%61%42%33%33%
Nevada345%55%55%48%46%
New Hampshire349%51%54%50%47%
New Jersey153%47%57%53%56%
New Mexico154%46%57%49%48%
New York356%44%63%58%60%
North Carolina342%57%50%44%43%
North Dakota342%56%45%36%33%
Ohio347%52%51%49%46%
Oklahoma138%62%34%34%38%
Oregon255%45%57%51%47%
Pennsylvania347%52%54%51%51%
Rhode Island360%39%63%59%61%
South Carolina145%54%45%41%41%
South Dakota343%56%45%38%38%
Tennessee136%62%42%43%47%
Texas340%59%44%38%38%
Utah0NoneNone34%26%26%
Vermont160%39%67%59%51%
Virginia249%51%53%45%44%
Washington353%46%57%53%50%
West Virginia0NoneNone43%43%46%
Wisconsin349%51%56%50%48%
Wyoming131%68%33%29%28%
NATIONAL48% (48%)51% (51%)53%48%48%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on May 08, 2010, 11:41:49 AM
Obama Job Approval chart - RASMUSSEN LAST POLL
Updated May 8, 2010

Methodology (at this point - will probably start narrowing closer to 2010 elections)

- This chart covers the last Rasmussen Poll in each state so long as under six months old.
- National number is an amalgamation of 2008/2004 turnout with certain additional variables.
- Massachusetts Special polls ignored.

State# of PollsObama ApprovalObama Disapproval2008 Obama2004 Kerry2000 Gore
Alabama142%58%39%37%42%
Alaska0NoneNone38%36%28%
Arizona134%64%45%44%45%
Arkansas135%63%39%45%46%
California160%39%61%54%53%
Colorado145%55%54%47%42%
Connecticut154%43%61%54%56%
D. C.0NoneNone92%89%85%
Delaware154%46%62%53%55%
Florida147%53%51%47%49%
Georgia141%57%47%41%43%
Hawaii177%23%72%54%56%
Idaho130%70%36%30%28%
Illinois161%39%62%55%55%
Indiana143%56%50%39%41%
Iowa148%51%54%49%49%
Kansas142%58%42%37%37%
Kentucky141%59%41%40%41%
Louisiana140%59%40%42%45%
Maine0NoneNone58%54%49%
Maryland159%39%62%56%57%
Massachusetts156%44%62%62%60%
Michigan150%49%57%51%51%
Minnesota149%49%54%51%48%
Mississippi0NoneNone43%40%41%
Missouri142%56%49%46%47%
Montana0NoneNone47%39%33%
Nebraska138%61%42%33%33%
Nevada148%51%55%48%46%
New Hampshire149%50%54%50%47%
New Jersey153%47%57%53%56%
New Mexico154%46%57%49%48%
New York154%46%63%58%60%
North Carolina144%56%50%44%43%
North Dakota144%54%45%36%33%
Ohio148%51%51%49%46%
Oklahoma138%62%34%34%38%
Oregon159%40%57%51%47%
Pennsylvania148%51%54%51%51%
Rhode Island157%41%63%59%61%
South Carolina145%54%45%41%41%
South Dakota145%54%45%38%38%
Tennessee136%62%42%43%47%
Texas142%58%44%38%38%
Utah129%69%34%26%26%
Vermont160%39%67%59%51%
Virginia148%51%53%45%44%
Washington155%45%57%53%50%
West Virginia0NoneNone43%43%46%
Wisconsin148%52%56%50%48%
Wyoming131%68%33%29%28%
NATIONAL49% (48%)50% (51%)53%48%48%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on May 08, 2010, 11:49:42 AM
Obama Job Approval chart - ALL NON-RASMUSSEN POLLS
Updated May 8, 2010

Methodology (at this point - will probably start narrowing closer to 2010 elections)

- All polls per state done in last six weeks (must be started after March 29 for this week), maximum one poll per firm.
- Other polls done in last six months can be included, but no more than three polls per state can be outside the six week envelope and if more than three polls done in last six weeks, no polls before that.  (also if one poll done in last six weeks, then only two can be included in six month period, two polls, then one, etc).
- No favorable polls; no excellent/good/fair/poor polls; no Rutgers-Eagleton/Strategic Vision/any other questionable company; no partisan/internals, my judgment as to what is prevails
- National number is an amalgamation of 2008/2004 turnout with certain additional variables.
- Massachusetts Special polls ignored.
- No Rasmussen polls in this one.

State# of PollsObama ApprovalObama Disapproval2008 Obama2004 Kerry2000 Gore
Alabama239%58%39%37%42%
Alaska137%56%38%36%28%
Arizona247%50%45%44%45%
Arkansas238%60%39%45%46%
California357%36%61%54%53%
Colorado147%50%54%47%42%
Connecticut254%40%61%54%56%
D. C.0NoneNone92%89%85%
Delaware153%41%62%53%55%
Florida248%48%51%47%49%
Georgia242%55%47%41%43%
Hawaii0NoneNone72%54%56%
Idaho135%54%36%30%28%
Illinois150%42%62%55%55%
Indiana134%57%50%39%41%
Iowa248%48%54%49%49%
Kansas134%62%42%37%37%
Kentucky238%59%41%40%41%
Louisiana0NoneNone40%42%45%
Maine0NoneNone58%54%49%
Maryland256%30%62%56%57%
Massachusetts0NoneNone62%62%60%
Michigan0NoneNone57%51%51%
Minnesota0NoneNone54%51%48%
Mississippi0NoneNone43%40%41%
Missouri244%52%49%46%47%
Montana137%53%47%39%33%
Nebraska0NoneNone42%33%33%
Nevada144%52%55%48%46%
New Hampshire248%48%54%50%47%
New Jersey354%39%57%53%56%
New Mexico145%48%57%49%48%
New York259%37%63%58%60%
North Carolina347%47%50%44%43%
North Dakota0NoneNone45%36%33%
Ohio342%52%51%49%46%
Oklahoma136%58%34%34%38%
Oregon147%48%57%51%47%
Pennsylvania345%50%54%51%51%
Rhode Island0NoneNone63%59%61%
South Carolina247%45%45%41%41%
South Dakota141%52%45%38%38%
Tennessee142%51%42%43%47%
Texas237%55%44%38%38%
Utah138%60%34%26%26%
Vermont163%33%67%59%51%
Virginia144%54%53%45%44%
Washington151%45%57%53%50%
West Virginia0NoneNone43%43%46%
Wisconsin346%49%56%50%48%
Wyoming0NoneNone33%29%28%
NATIONAL48% (47%)46% (47%)53%48%48%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on May 08, 2010, 12:43:09 PM
Wow, I didn't know that NC was so close to the National avg.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on May 08, 2010, 03:18:12 PM
is that for his entire presidency? I doubt he has a 47% in AZ and SC but only 45% in PA. How old are those numbers? Rasmussen is the most accurate too. Look at their data for 2004 and 2008. They didn't miss a single state in 2004.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on May 08, 2010, 03:37:20 PM
is that for his entire presidency? I doubt he has a 47% in AZ and SC but only 45% in PA. How old are those numbers? Rasmussen is the most accurate too. Look at their data for 2004 and 2008. They didn't miss a single state in 2004.

Read the methodology.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on May 08, 2010, 03:37:55 PM
is that for his entire presidency? I doubt he has a 47% in AZ and SC but only 45% in PA. How old are those numbers? Rasmussen is the most accurate too. Look at their data for 2004 and 2008. They didn't miss a single state in 2004.

Read the methodology.

Also, Rasmussen missed states in 2008 (and I'm pretty sure 2004 too).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vosem on May 09, 2010, 06:18:38 AM
It's nice to see a compilation of data here other than pbrower's. I was considering doing this myself, but I couldn't find Obama state-by-state approval rating online and was too lazy to go back through pages of thread.

In the future, SS, it'd be nice if your posts came with a map -- that would make them much easier to read.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on May 09, 2010, 08:39:22 AM
It's nice to see a compilation of data here other than pbrower's. I was considering doing this myself, but I couldn't find Obama state-by-state approval rating online and was too lazy to go back through pages of thread.

In the future, SS, it'd be nice if your posts came with a map -- that would make them much easier to read.

I don't do maps, but you're free to make your own.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 09, 2010, 11:17:34 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47% +1

Disapprove 52% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on May 09, 2010, 04:01:48 PM
Maps for SS's all polls data (gray is no polls, yellow is a tie). The Ramussen only map looks pretty much the same, and the non-Rasmussen polls map is boring because half the states have no polls.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 09, 2010, 04:25:30 PM
Maps for SS's all polls data (gray is no polls, yellow is a tie). The Ramussen only map looks pretty much the same, and the non-Rasmussen polls map is boring because half the states have no polls.

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Except for PA and WI, it's the 2000 map.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on May 09, 2010, 07:58:51 PM
So something like this for the 2012 election results?

226 - Obama
312 - Generic Rep
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on May 09, 2010, 08:46:40 PM
So something like this for the 2012 election results?

226 - Obama
312 - Generic Rep
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No, more like this:

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Obama/Biden: 279 EV/ 50% PV
Romney/Thune: 259 EV: 47% PV

(I used 2012 EV numbers off of wiki)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on May 09, 2010, 09:12:42 PM
So something like this for the 2012 election results?

226 - Obama
312 - Generic Rep
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No, more like this:

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Obama/Biden: 279 EV/ 50% PV
Romney/Thune: 259 EV: 47% PV

(I used 2012 EV numbers off of wiki)

You're both off.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on May 09, 2010, 09:31:58 PM
So something like this for the 2012 election results?

226 - Obama
312 - Generic Rep
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Switch Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire and I'd say uo are good. Maybe Iowa and Nevada too.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on May 09, 2010, 09:47:44 PM
Obama vs generic republican

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on May 09, 2010, 10:28:17 PM
You may as well make all the states toss up since nobody can predict the 2012 election correctly.  If it's similar to 2000, then my map would be the closest


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on May 10, 2010, 06:27:02 AM
You may as well make all the states toss up since nobody can predict the 2012 election correctly.  If it's similar to 2000, then my map would be the closest

You are right nobody can predict the 2012 election. But I can say it will not be like 2000, because states have trend on way or another.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 10, 2010, 07:35:44 AM
You may as well make all the states toss up since nobody can predict the 2012 election correctly.  If it's similar to 2000, then my map would be the closest

You are right nobody can predict the 2012 election. But I can say it will not be like 2000, because states have trend on way or another.

One can't fully predict the 2012 election for the simple reason that one can't predict all the strange events that can happen. We have yet to see certain things happen that will likely happen under some circumstances. If things look close now, then you can count on the Obama campaign of 2008 to come out of mothballs and with it the powerful GOTV drive.

Some things are predictable: Pennsylvania may now look like a happy zone for Republicans, but that is only because of a heated primary challenge to an incumbent Senator. The President stays away from Pennsylvania because he does not want to be pulled into the primary campaign. He won't appear in Pennsylvania except in the most neutral of settings -- such as a natural disaster. Once the Democratic primary is over, we can all be certain that President Obama will make plenty of appearances in Pennsylvania to support the winner of the primary against the sure winner of the Republican primary.

The economy has yet to show what it will be like by November 2012. As bad as it looked in 2008, even stability will look like a huge improvement.

Sure, much time exists in which a scandal can erupt or for a big new economic downturn. For good reason, "steady hand" works well for an incumbent. A "trembling hand" doesn't.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on May 10, 2010, 08:05:44 AM
Only rank amateurs would discuss the 2012 election using current "approval" data without employing the "add six (or sometimes four in the case of Ohio)" rule. When you do, you'll see that we're in the midst of an unstoppable Obama landslide barring the appearance of the "next Reagan."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on May 10, 2010, 10:46:56 AM
Texas 17th Congressional District:

http://rothenbergpoliticalreport.blogspot.com/2010/05/tx17-new-gop-poll-has-bad-news-for-chet.html

Obama: 33/66


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on May 10, 2010, 11:10:12 AM
Only rank amateurs would discuss the 2012 election using current "approval" data without employing the "add six (or sometimes four in the case of Ohio)" rule. When you do, you'll see that we're in the midst of an unstoppable Obama landslide barring the appearance of the "next Reagan."

it's still fun to do even if you are a so called expert


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 10, 2010, 12:32:18 PM
Only rank amateurs would discuss the 2012 election using current "approval" data without employing the "add six (or sometimes four in the case of Ohio)" rule. When you do, you'll see that we're in the midst of an unstoppable Obama landslide barring the appearance of the "next Reagan."

I see no clear landslide in the formative stage. I can reasonably predict that the Obama campaign will do much as it did in 2008 -- putting little effort into states that seem too far from contention at the time while throwing almost all resources into states that matter greatly but are in reach for one side or the other. Obama is at least a convincing speaker as Reagan -- which will make things difficult for any GOP nominee. Add to that, he is a masterful strategist as a campaigner. If things start to get close in 2012 we will see the campaigner and the organization.

Until the GOP has a nominee who can cut into the habit of voting for Democratic nominees for President in the Blue Firewall, the GOP has already lost about 90% of the election before it begins. Can the GOP lock up 90% of the victory before the 2012 campaign is in the final stage as it did in 2000 and 2004?

The incumbent has most of the advantages in an effort to win re-election so long as people don't want to be reminded of who the incumbent is.

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: memphis on May 10, 2010, 12:39:47 PM
Only rank amateurs would discuss the 2012 election using current "approval" data without employing the "add six (or sometimes four in the case of Ohio)" rule. When you do, you'll see that we're in the midst of an unstoppable Obama landslide barring the appearance of the "next Reagan."

Only a complete fool thinks approval data two years out means anything. Reagan is far from the only example proving this.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 10, 2010, 07:58:26 PM
Pennsylvania Survey of 1,000 Likely Voters (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/pennsylvania/2010_senate_election/toplines/toplines_2010_pennsylvania_senate_election_may_6_2010)

Conducted May 6, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly

approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been

doing?

26% Strongly approve

24% Somewhat approve

8% Somewhat disapprove

39% Strongly disapprove

2% Not sure

Approval only, as the effects of favorability and approval are easily normed:


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

37 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House. I have now recounted the likely electoral votes.



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  164
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  20
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 100
white                        too close to call  18
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  39
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   71
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  35
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.
















Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on May 10, 2010, 11:41:33 PM
Surprisingly good PA numbers from Rass.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 11, 2010, 12:16:31 AM
Maryland (Washington Post):

1.030 adults: 62% Approve, 34% Disapprove
851 registered voters: 62% Approve, 36% Disapprove

This Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone May 3-6, 2010, among a random sample of 1,030 adult residents of Maryland, including 851 registered voters. Interviews were conducted on both conventional and cellular phones, and in English and Spanish. The results from the full survey have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points; it is four points for the registered voter sample. Sampling, data collection and tabulation by Abt SRBI, Inc of New York, NY.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_050910_koDp3.html?sid=ST2010051000829


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 11, 2010, 12:31:34 AM
Florida (Mason Dixon):

47% Excellent/Good
53% Fair/Poor

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/sfl-obama-florida-poll-results-05102010,0,3007899.htmlstory


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on May 11, 2010, 02:00:16 AM
Florida (Mason Dixon):

47% Excellent/Good
53% Fair/Poor

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/sfl-obama-florida-poll-results-05102010,0,3007899.htmlstory

Not too bad.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Stranger in a strange land on May 11, 2010, 05:58:06 AM

No such thing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 11, 2010, 08:32:23 AM
Maryland, WaPo. Of course, I would rather see a Virginia or even West Virginia poll, for obvious reasons. The EGP poll involving Florida is not usable.

Approval only, as the effects of favorability and approval are easily normed:


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

37 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House. I have now recounted the likely electoral votes.



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  164
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  20
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 100
white                        too close to call  18
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  39
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   71
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  35
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.

















Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 11, 2010, 08:41:21 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% +1

Disapprove 51% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -2.


[No polling over Mother's Day]


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 11, 2010, 08:49:34 AM

Obama loses to Theodore Roosevelt back from the grave!

Otherwise... Teddy Roosevelt's ghost more likely endorses Obama in 2012, so far as I can tell.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: old timey villain on May 11, 2010, 11:35:28 AM
How does Governor generic republican win Florida before North Carolina??


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on May 11, 2010, 11:41:25 AM
Thats not hard to believe but I'd give a GOP NC too.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on May 11, 2010, 11:50:39 AM
Florida (Mason Dixon):

47% Excellent/Good
53% Fair/Poor

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/sfl-obama-florida-poll-results-05102010,0,3007899.htmlstory

Not too bad.

Especially with that nebulous "fair" rating in the mix.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on May 11, 2010, 12:10:35 PM
oh wait fair? come on it should be approve or disapprove that poll is misleading the American ppl.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on May 11, 2010, 12:40:46 PM
I know it's far out, but Obama 2012 is looking more and more like Bush 2004. The polarization is just ridiculous. I think the best thing for the Democrats would be for the GOP take Congress this year, right now they are viewed as the 'government party' and it's definately hurting them.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on May 11, 2010, 12:44:20 PM
That's why I hope we win 215 in the House and 50 in the senate. That allows us to blame Obama and not be blamed for stopping legislation with the help of a few "moderate" democrats. When being blamed the GOP can say if Obama's idea's are so great, then why did ppl in his own party vote against his agenda? Or maybe he is looking like Carter of 1980.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on May 11, 2010, 12:58:20 PM
That's why I hope we win 215 in the House and 50 in the senate. That allows us to blame Obama and not be blamed for stopping legislation with the help of a few "moderate" democrats. When being blamed the GOP can say if Obama's idea's are so great, then why did ppl in his own party vote against his agenda? Or maybe he is looking like Carter of 1980.

If by "ppl in his own party" you mean a handful of conservative Democratic members of the House (and not enough to defeat anything of note from passing), and Lieberman, Ben Nelson, and occassionally Lincoln Davis in the Senate (40 GOP votes plus any 1 of these = successful filibuster), then you are right.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on May 11, 2010, 02:24:12 PM
Anyone else seeing a small but noticeable uptick in Obama's approval recently?

Here's the RCP average:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on May 11, 2010, 03:33:15 PM
More of a decline in disapprovals. Approvals seem to be holding steady.

Same pattern in the Pollster.com average.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 12, 2010, 08:45:00 AM
Massachusetts (yawn!) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/massachusetts/toplines/toplines_massachusetts_governor_may_10_2010)

Massachusetts State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted May 10, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

42% Strongly approve
21% Somewhat approve
11% Somewhat disapprove
26% Strongly disapprove
1% Not sure

Approval only, as the effects of favorability and approval are easily normed:


(
)



Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

37 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House. I have now recounted the likely electoral votes.



(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  164
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  20
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 100
white                        too close to call  18
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  39
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   71
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  35
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.


















Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 12, 2010, 08:47:49 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47% -1

Disapprove 52% +1


"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +2.


There seems to be slight, but marked, erosion in Obama's "Strongly Approve" numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on May 12, 2010, 11:21:32 AM
Guys, it's true that there's no such thing as a "generic Republican" but let's not be complete asses about this.  The ghost of Theodore Roosevelt/the reincarnation of Ronald Reagan is not the only person who can defeat Obama.  To suggest otherwise is ludicrous.

True, but "generic Republican" (or Democrat), usually does better in polling then an actual flesh and blood (ergo fallible) candidate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 12, 2010, 12:52:59 PM
Alaska (Rasmussen):

39% Approve
61% Disapprove

This telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Alaska was conducted by Rasmussen Reports May 6, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/alaska/toplines/toplines_alaska_governor_may_6_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on May 12, 2010, 06:02:38 PM
Alaska (Rasmussen):

39% Approve
61% Disapprove

This telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Alaska was conducted by Rasmussen Reports May 6, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/alaska/toplines/toplines_alaska_governor_may_6_2010)

That's pretty good.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on May 12, 2010, 08:13:52 PM
Alaska (Rasmussen):

39% Approve
61% Disapprove

This telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Alaska was conducted by Rasmussen Reports May 6, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/alaska/toplines/toplines_alaska_governor_may_6_2010)

That's pretty good.
That's pretty good to be bad in Alaska!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 13, 2010, 08:30:58 AM
Kansas State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted May 11, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

21% Strongly approve
16% Somewhat approve
7% Somewhat disapprove
55% Strongly disapprove
1% Not sure
Approval only, as the effects of favorability and approval are easily normed:


(
)



Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

38 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House. I have now recounted the likely electoral votes.



(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  164
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  20
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 100
white                        too close to call  18
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  39
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   71
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  38
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.

















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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 13, 2010, 08:47:14 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 46% -1

Disapprove 53% +1


"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on May 13, 2010, 12:29:54 PM
PPP- North Carolina Poll - Link (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_513.pdf)

Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance? If you
approve, press 1. If you disapprove, press 2.
If you’re not sure, press 3.
Approve .......................................................... 47%
Disapprove...................................................... 48%
Not Sure.......................................................... 5%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 13, 2010, 01:15:02 PM
New Hampshire (Rasmussen):

50% Approve
50% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in New Hampshire was conducted by Rasmussen Reports, May 11, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/new_hampshire/toplines/toplines_new_hampshire_senate_may_11_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 13, 2010, 01:23:09 PM
Pennsylvania (Quinnipiac):

46% Approve
48% Disapprove

From May 4 - 10, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,161 Pennsylvania voters, with a margin of error of +/- 2.9 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1327.xml?ReleaseID=1454


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 13, 2010, 01:44:14 PM
Gallup:

51% Approve
42% Disapprove

The Economist/YouGov:

50% Approve
43% Disapprove

http://media.economist.com/images/pdf/Toplines20100512.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 13, 2010, 02:07:20 PM
Q trims PA a bit; P in NC.

Approval only, as the effects of favorability and approval are easily normed:


(
)



Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

38 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House. I have now recounted the likely electoral votes.



(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  164
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  20
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 100
white                        too close to call  18
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  39
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   71
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  38
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they demonstrable failures.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 13, 2010, 02:09:41 PM

I thought you might mix Rasmussen`s PA poll and the Quinnipiac poll, because they are from the same timespan ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 13, 2010, 02:23:43 PM

I thought you might mix Rasmussen`s PA poll and the Quinnipiac poll, because they are from the same timespan ...

Good idea, but PA gets polled often as it is.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on May 13, 2010, 02:24:23 PM
You didn't update NC

.
PPP- North Carolina Poll - Link (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_513.pdf)

Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance? If you
approve, press 1. If you disapprove, press 2.
If you’re not sure, press 3.
Approve .......................................................... 47%
Disapprove...................................................... 48%
Not Sure.......................................................... 5%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 14, 2010, 06:50:35 AM
You didn't update NC

.
PPP- North Carolina Poll - Link (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_513.pdf)

Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance? If you
approve, press 1. If you disapprove, press 2.
If you’re not sure, press 3.
Approve .......................................................... 47%
Disapprove...................................................... 48%
Not Sure.......................................................... 5%


 I missed it, and then I updated it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 14, 2010, 08:21:49 AM
California State Survey of 500 Likely Voters (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/california/toplines/toplines_2010_california_senate_may_12_2010)
Conducted May 12, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

42% Strongly approve
19% Somewhat approve
6% Somewhat disapprove
30% Strongly disapprove
3% Not sure

Approval only, as the effects of favorability and approval are easily normed:


(
)



Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

38 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House. I have now recounted the likely electoral votes.



(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  164
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  20
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 100
white                        too close to call  18
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  39
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   71
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  38
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 14, 2010, 09:15:02 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 46% u

Disapprove 53% u


"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on May 14, 2010, 01:09:57 PM
California State Survey of 500 Likely Voters (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/california/toplines/toplines_2010_california_senate_may_12_2010)
Conducted May 12, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

42% Strongly approve
19% Somewhat approve
6% Somewhat disapprove
30% Strongly disapprove
3% Not sure

Approval only, as the effects of favorability and approval are easily normed:


(
)



Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

38 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House. I have now recounted the likely electoral votes.



(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  164
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  20
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 100
white                        too close to call  18
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  39
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   71
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  38
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.

Where the hell are you getting your numbers? He'd never win SC.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: old timey villain on May 14, 2010, 01:34:58 PM
Obama is up to 52% approval on Gallup. The highest of the year I believe.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on May 14, 2010, 02:02:07 PM
Obama is up to 52% approval on Gallup. The highest of the year I believe.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

The average of polls seems to show a positive trend, too, FWIW.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on May 14, 2010, 02:08:02 PM
Obama is up to 52% approval on Gallup. The highest of the year I believe.

And only at 41% disapproval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 14, 2010, 03:37:48 PM
California State Survey of 500 Likely Voters (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/california/toplines/toplines_2010_california_senate_may_12_2010)
Conducted May 12, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

42% Strongly approve
19% Somewhat approve
6% Somewhat disapprove
30% Strongly disapprove
3% Not sure

Approval only, as the effects of favorability and approval are easily normed:


(
)



Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

38 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House. I have now recounted the likely electoral votes.



(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  164
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  20
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 100
white                        too close to call  18
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  39
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   71
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  38
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.

Where the hell are you getting your numbers? He'd never win SC.

There hasn't been a poll for South Carolina since February.

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on May 14, 2010, 04:25:34 PM
I've not really been paying attention, but since we're only about 2 years away from serious campaign season, I'll start paying attention. 

So who's really more trustworthy here? 

Rasmussen is showing Obama at -7

Gallup is showing him at +11

That's a huge difference, what are their methods if they are tracking this every day?  I'm inclined to believe Gallup more because they've been doing Presidential approval for almost a century now and I remember Rasmussen's numbers always seemingly to be skewed towards the GOP a bit. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on May 15, 2010, 12:27:32 AM
I've not really been paying attention, but since we're only about 2 years away from serious campaign season, I'll start paying attention. 

So who's really more trustworthy here? 

Rasmussen is showing Obama at -7

Gallup is showing him at +11

That's a huge difference, what are their methods if they are tracking this every day?  I'm inclined to believe Gallup more because they've been doing Presidential approval for almost a century now and I remember Rasmussen's numbers always seemingly to be skewed towards the GOP a bit. 

Gallup had been several points off in 2008 in the Democratic direction. They are also using an adult model right now, which is not accurate at all. Many adults are not even registered voters. Rasmussen polls people that are known to actually go to the polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 15, 2010, 07:30:24 AM
I've not really been paying attention, but since we're only about 2 years away from serious campaign season, I'll start paying attention. 

So who's really more trustworthy here? 

Rasmussen is showing Obama at -7

Gallup is showing him at +11

That's a huge difference, what are their methods if they are tracking this every day?  I'm inclined to believe Gallup more because they've been doing Presidential approval for almost a century now and I remember Rasmussen's numbers always seemingly to be skewed towards the GOP a bit. 

Gallup had been several points off in 2008 in the Democratic direction. They are also using an adult model right now, which is not accurate at all. Many adults are not even registered voters. Rasmussen polls people that are known to actually go to the polls.

No model is perfect. Rasmussen has a "likely voter" screen that can't predict which new voters will vote and which old voters will leave the electorate due to an encounter with the Grim Reaper. Rasmussen may have been right on the odd-year elections in New Jersey and Virginia, but the 2012 election will be different from those -- much as was the 2008 election different from those two odd-year gubernatorial elections.

"Adults" can of course include people who don't vote.  Note well, though, that some of the votes of November 2012 are still 15 years old. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vosem on May 15, 2010, 08:27:36 AM
I've not really been paying attention, but since we're only about 2 years away from serious campaign season, I'll start paying attention. 

So who's really more trustworthy here? 

Rasmussen is showing Obama at -7

Gallup is showing him at +11

That's a huge difference, what are their methods if they are tracking this every day?  I'm inclined to believe Gallup more because they've been doing Presidential approval for almost a century now and I remember Rasmussen's numbers always seemingly to be skewed towards the GOP a bit. 

Gallup had been several points off in 2008 in the Democratic direction. They are also using an adult model right now, which is not accurate at all. Many adults are not even registered voters. Rasmussen polls people that are known to actually go to the polls.

No model is perfect. Rasmussen has a "likely voter" screen that can't predict which new voters will vote and which old voters will leave the electorate due to an encounter with the Grim Reaper. Rasmussen may have been right on the odd-year elections in New Jersey and Virginia, but the 2012 election will be different from those -- much as was the 2008 election different from those two odd-year gubernatorial elections.

"Adults" can of course include people who don't vote.  Note well, though, that some of the votes of November 2012 are still 15 years old. 

Similarly, the 2008 elections (which Rasmussen got right) were different from the 2004 elections (which Rasmussen also got right), because there were new voters in '08 and some old voters from '04 had an encounter with the Grim Reaper.

Every election has voters entering and leaving the electorate. Rasmussen has been getting elections right for the better part of the last decade.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on May 15, 2010, 11:26:33 AM
Yep ^^ they are the best. Not to mention, they are the most conservative but I'm just saying, just saying. Maybe there's something to this conservatism. hmm.......


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 15, 2010, 01:58:52 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% +2

Disapprove 52% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on May 15, 2010, 02:20:25 PM
Pennsyvlania Kos:

Obama: 46/47 favorable/unfavorable

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2010/5/12/PA/499


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 16, 2010, 09:33:58 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% u

Disapprove 52% u


"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -2.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on May 16, 2010, 06:28:50 PM
I've not really been paying attention, but since we're only about 2 years away from serious campaign season, I'll start paying attention. 

So who's really more trustworthy here? 

Rasmussen is showing Obama at -7

Gallup is showing him at +11

That's a huge difference, what are their methods if they are tracking this every day?  I'm inclined to believe Gallup more because they've been doing Presidential approval for almost a century now and I remember Rasmussen's numbers always seemingly to be skewed towards the GOP a bit. 

Somewhere in between the two. Honestly, I look at the pollster.com average, it mixes all these polls together. Right now it has Obama in positive territory, albeit narrowly.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 17, 2010, 10:08:31 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 46% -2

Disapprove 53% +1


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on May 17, 2010, 10:30:46 AM
Gallup bumps around a lot based on random error and enthusiasm in its model.  Rasmussen weights enthusiasm out, though if it's continued enthusiasm, it always shows up in party ID over time.

Gallup is consistently going to show higher approval because it's adults vs. LV (it would be similar for adults vs. RV too).

Key thing in both polls is to look at the big picture (week by week or month by month0.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 17, 2010, 01:28:23 PM
This could be a fluke, but if it isn't, it portends a GOP disaster.  

Florida Survey of 500 Likely Voters (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/florida/election_2010_florida_senate)

Conducted May 16, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly

approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s

been doing?

32% Strongly approve

18% Somewhat approve

6% Somewhat disapprove

43% Strongly disapprove

1% Not sure

Approval only, as the effects of favorability and approval are easily normed:


(
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

38 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House. I have now recounted the likely electoral votes.



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  164
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  68
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 72
white                        too close to call  18
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  39
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   71
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  38
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on May 17, 2010, 01:41:26 PM
who has been reelected with a 44% approval rating since they started keeping track of that?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 17, 2010, 01:56:28 PM
who has been reelected with a 44% approval rating since they started keeping track of that?

That's about where George W. Bush was in the spring of 2008. He won, if feebly, despite being a weak campaigner. Incumbency gives any politician an advantage unless he is an  outright turkey -- and even if he is. Dubya was an awful President.

President Obama has plenty of time in which to fail as President, but I wouldn't bet against him now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: xavier110 on May 17, 2010, 06:33:08 PM
who has been reelected with a 44% approval rating since they started keeping track of that?

That's about where George W. Bush was in the spring of 2008. He won, if feebly, despite being a weak campaigner.

Freudian slip?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 17, 2010, 07:40:49 PM
who has been reelected with a 44% approval rating since they started keeping track of that?

That's about where George W. Bush was in the spring of 2008. He won, if feebly, despite being a weak campaigner.

Freudian slip?

No. Just a plain, simple typo. 2004.

Dubya may have been dreadful, but he still won.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on May 17, 2010, 11:18:34 PM
who has been reelected with a 44% approval rating since they started keeping track of that?

That's about where George W. Bush was in the spring of 2008. He won, if feebly, despite being a weak campaigner.

Freudian slip?

No. Just a plain, simple typo. 2004.

Dubya may have been dreadful, but he still won.



Well there's still controversy to that (with the Ohio factor)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Saxwsylvania on May 17, 2010, 11:20:38 PM
who has been reelected with a 44% approval rating since they started keeping track of that?

That's about where George W. Bush was in the spring of 2008. He won, if feebly, despite being a weak campaigner.

Freudian slip?

No. Just a plain, simple typo. 2004.

Dubya may have been dreadful, but he still won.



Well there's still controversy to that (with the Ohio factor)

No serious person thinks that Ohio was stolen in 2004.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 17, 2010, 11:44:59 PM
Iowa (R2000/KCCI):

53% Approve
43% Disapprove

DES MOINES, Iowa -- The Research 2000 Iowa Poll was conducted from May 3 through May 5, 2010. A total of 600 likely voters who vote regularly in state elections were interviewed statewide by telephone.

http://www.kcci.com/politics/23473645/detail.html

Source: Requested Obama approval ratings for IA and KY via email and this is what I got from R2000:

Did not ask in KY

IOWA

OBAMA JOB PERFORMANCE:

QUESTION: Do you approve or disapprove of the job Barack Obama is doing as President?

                                           APPROVE              DISAPPROVE              NOT SURE

                                                                               

ALL                                         53%                             43%                              4%

 

MEN                                       48%                             49%                              3%

WOMEN                                 58%                             37%                              5%

 

DEMOCRATS                        87%                             10%                              3%

REPUBLICANS                      15%                             82%                              3%

INDEPENDENTS                   52%                             42%                              6%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 17, 2010, 11:57:07 PM
Also:

Texas (Rasmussen):

42% Approve
57% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Texas was conducted on May 13, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/-4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/texas/toplines/toplines_2010_texas_governor_may_13_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 18, 2010, 07:21:51 AM
Iowa, Texas

North Carolina corrected

New York (yawn!) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/new_york/toplines/toplines_2010_new_york_senate_election_may_12_2010)

New York State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted May 12, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

40% Strongly approve
21% Somewhat approve
8% Somewhat disapprove
30% Strongly disapprove
1% Not sure

Approval only, as the effects of favorability and approval are easily normed:


(
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

38 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House. I have now recounted the likely electoral votes.



(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  171
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  68
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 80
white                        too close to call  3
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  39
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   71
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  38
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on May 18, 2010, 07:30:04 AM
who has been reelected with a 44% approval rating since they started keeping track of that?

That's about where George W. Bush was in the spring of 2008. He won, if feebly, despite being a weak campaigner.

Freudian slip?

No. Just a plain, simple typo. 2004.

Dubya may have been dreadful, but he still won.



Well there's still controversy to that (with the Ohio factor)

That's true. I have the Robert Kennedy Jr. article from Rolling Stone, plus a scholarly analysis on which the article is based, here in my office. It discusses my county among others in my region, and I can rebut it's misconceptions line by line from local knowledge.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on May 18, 2010, 08:59:50 AM
25% strongly approve


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 18, 2010, 09:26:54 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45% -1

Disapprove 53% u


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +2.

Obama has taken a very big hit on strongly approve, but it might just be a bad sample.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on May 18, 2010, 09:30:17 AM
yea those polls vary. He could be at 49% tomorrow.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 18, 2010, 10:15:28 AM
yea those polls vary. He could be at 49% tomorrow.

Probably not.

The other numbers have been fairly stable, about a 5 point range.  The 49% is at the upper end.

The 25% is low and outside of range.  We'll have to wait until, at most, Thursday to if it is real or not.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on May 18, 2010, 12:38:25 PM
Gallup: 46 approval/ 46 disapproval


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: old timey villain on May 18, 2010, 12:56:09 PM
down 6 points in less than a week. Gallup toys with my emotions.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on May 18, 2010, 12:59:26 PM
I think the Arizona immigration law is hurting Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on May 18, 2010, 01:13:16 PM
I think the Arizona immigration law is hurting Obama.
lol


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 18, 2010, 01:31:49 PM

That's why I stopped posting Gallup.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 18, 2010, 05:24:12 PM
I think the Arizona immigration law is hurting Obama.

The GOP is playing with political dynamite. Should the GOP resort to racist and ethn ocentric demagoguery it stands to lose even more of its moderates.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on May 18, 2010, 05:54:14 PM
Moderates love the Arizona immigration law.  check out the polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 18, 2010, 08:29:28 PM
Moderates love the Arizona immigration law.  check out the polls.

It gets watered down into something not troubling to civil libertarians (for example, police start asking questions about citizenship status on anyone arrested for any felony offense once someone is in "intake") or some egregious case draws the predictable attention of the ACLU and fails to pass Constitutional tests.

Don't you want illegal aliens to talk to the police when they are victims of crimes -- or do you want them to fear deportation if they go to the law to report crimes?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 19, 2010, 08:35:34 AM
Connecticut (Rasmussen):

59% Approve
39% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Connecticut was conducted by Rasmussen Reports May 18, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/connecticut/toplines/toplines_connecticut_senate_may_18_2010)

.....

National:

44% Approve (-1)
55% Disapprove (+2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 19, 2010, 08:47:51 AM
Arizona Republicans (Rasmussen):

10% Approve
88% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 541 Likely GOP Voters in Arizona was conducted by Rasmussen Reports May 17, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arizona/toplines/toplines_arizona_republican_primary_for_senate_may_17_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 19, 2010, 08:58:10 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 44% -1

Disapprove 55% +2


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, +2.

Again, it could be a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on May 19, 2010, 09:12:43 AM
I don't understand the national numbers against the state numbers. The state numbers seem as high as ever....sometimes even higher than they should be.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on May 19, 2010, 09:34:40 AM
Arizona Republicans (Rasmussen):

10% Approve
88% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 541 Likely GOP Voters in Arizona was conducted by Rasmussen Reports May 17, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arizona/toplines/toplines_arizona_republican_primary_for_senate_may_17_2010)

Damn, that sure won't do the Dems any good in the Southwest.  And to think some were actually hoping that the GOP would lose the seat in November.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 19, 2010, 09:36:53 AM
Arizona Republicans (Rasmussen):

10% Approve
88% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 541 Likely GOP Voters in Arizona was conducted by Rasmussen Reports May 17, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arizona/toplines/toplines_arizona_republican_primary_for_senate_may_17_2010)

Damn, that sure won't do the Dems any good in the Southwest.  And to think some were actually hoping that the GOP would lose the seat in November.

Don`t worry, Obama got only 8% of Republicans in 2008 against McCain.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 19, 2010, 09:38:16 AM
Minnesota (MPR/Humphrey Institute):

()

This survey is a collaboration between Minnesota Public Radio News and the Center for the Study of Politics and Governance at the University of Minnesota’s Humphrey Institute of Public Affairs. The survey was analyzed by the center. The research team was Lawrence R. Jacobs (center director) and Joanne M. Miller (associate professor, Department of Political Science). Geoff Sheagley provided research assistance.

The survey of 701 Minnesota adults was conducted May 13-May 16, 2010, following the three major parties' endorsing conventions. The margin of error is +/-5.8 percentage points. For smaller subgroups, the margin of sampling error is larger.

The distribution of party identification among adults in the full sample is as follows:

()

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2010/05/19-gov-race-poll/index.shtml


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on May 19, 2010, 10:01:07 AM
Too bad that's a junk uni poll, though Franken having higher approvals than Pawlenty is very amusing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on May 19, 2010, 10:14:00 AM
I don't understand the national numbers against the state numbers. The state numbers seem as high as ever....sometimes even higher than they should be.

There's a couple of reasons why - I've laid them out before, maybe I'll lay them out later.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on May 19, 2010, 10:35:49 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 44% -1

Disapprove 55% +2


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, +2.

Again, it could be a bad sample.

WORD!!!!!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on May 19, 2010, 10:37:05 AM
Arizona Republicans (Rasmussen):

10% Approve
88% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 541 Likely GOP Voters in Arizona was conducted by Rasmussen Reports May 17, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arizona/toplines/toplines_arizona_republican_primary_for_senate_may_17_2010)

Damn, that sure won't do the Dems any good in the Southwest.  And to think some were actually hoping that the GOP would lose the seat in November.

Don`t worry, Obama got only 8% of Republicans in 2008 against McCain.

Yeah, I'm frankly surprised its as high as 10%. This is the AZ GOP we're talking about after all.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 19, 2010, 11:25:48 AM
Arizona (Rasmussen):

39% Approve
60% Disapprove

(Gov. Jan Brewer)

64% Approve
35% Disapprove

The survey of 1,000 Likely Voters in Arizona was conducted on May 17, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/-3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arizona/toplines/toplines_arizona_senate_may_17_2010)

Colorado (PPP):

45% Approve
50% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 1,060 Colorado voters from May 14th to 16th. The margin of error for the survey is +/-3.0%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_CO_519.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 19, 2010, 11:38:55 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 44% -1

Disapprove 55% +2


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, +2.

Again, it could be a bad sample.

WORD!!!!!

I'd be a heck of a lot more impressed if the numbers continued in this range for 4-6 days.  This could be a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 19, 2010, 11:49:13 AM
AZ and CT updates, MN


(
)



Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

39 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House. I have now recounted the likely electoral votes.



(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  171
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  78
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 80
white                        too close to call  3
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  39
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   71
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  38
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on May 19, 2010, 09:55:16 PM
So a 2% approval in Minnesota makes it safe and a 15% disapproval in Texas makes it a tossup.  Yes.  Thank you for your wisdom.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on May 19, 2010, 10:20:06 PM
He's right above where Bush is remembered at. There was a poll I saw showing that based on what ppl remember Bush was at 41% approval. Nice job Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 19, 2010, 11:53:05 PM
He's right above where Bush is remembered at. There was a poll I saw showing that based on what ppl remember Bush was at 41% approval. Nice job Obama.

The pattern holds true for gubernatorial and senatorial incumbents -- and not for challengers. So why not the President? If anything I mute the effect. An incumbent Governor or Senator can do the sports equivalent of running up the score; if he has a 65% approval rating in May the year of the election he might try for and get 70% of the vote. Obama isn't going to do that in a place like Vermont, and I don't expect him to try to win approval in Idaho where he has no chance of winning.

The difference between approval and vote share for an incumbent is that the incumbent gets huge attention from the media, has already shown the ability to win an election, has a campaign staff from the last time that aided the win, and gets to control the agenda. Sure, should he be a turkey he loses, but that also holds true for an incumbent Senator or Governor. The pattern holds true for winners (extreme examples include Carl Levin and Jon Huntsman) and losers (Rick Santorum and John Corzine) alike. Senator Carl Levin (D-MI) and Governor Jon Huntsman (R-UT) piled on the points; Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA) and Governor John Corzine (D-NJ) gained from abysmal starts and still lost badly.

Toward election time one starts to see real-life face-offs in which opponents are even named. But we are at least 29 months away from Election 2012, and we don't know who the opponent. When we start seeing

Missouri -- Obama 47%, Huckabee 52%

in late September then we need attempt to figure what is going on with any adjustments to "norm" the advantages for an incumbent.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 20, 2010, 12:36:02 AM
SurveyUSA - May (600 adults):

California: 51% Approve, 44% Disapprove

Kansas: 33% Approve, 65% Disapprove

New York: 52% Approve, 45% Disapprove

Oregon: 52% Approve, 45% Disapprove

Washington: 49% Approve, 47% Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on May 20, 2010, 06:37:30 AM
SurveyUSA - May (600 adults):

California: 51% Approve, 44% Disapprove

Kansas: 33% Approve, 65% Disapprove

New York: 52% Approve, 45% Disapprove

Oregon: 52% Approve, 45% Disapprove

Washington: 49% Approve, 47% Disapprove

Are these real? If so, I have to lol @ Obama supposedly having the same approval in New York and Oregon. Ridiculous.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 20, 2010, 06:46:55 AM
SurveyUSA - May (600 adults):

California: 51% Approve, 44% Disapprove

Kansas: 33% Approve, 65% Disapprove

New York: 52% Approve, 45% Disapprove

Oregon: 52% Approve, 45% Disapprove

Washington: 49% Approve, 47% Disapprove

Are these real? If so, I have to lol @ Obama supposedly having the same approval in New York and Oregon. Ridiculous.

Rasmussen usually refutes SUSA within a few weeks. Supposedly Rasmussen has a model giving a house advantage to Republicans -- but SUSA goes far beyond what Rasmussen is accused of. SUSA generally polls the same group of states, and never ones likely to decide anything.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on May 20, 2010, 07:46:26 AM
Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA) and Governor John Corzine (D-NJ) gained from abysmal starts and still lost badly.

If by abysmal start, you mean that Corzine ahead of Christie in the matchups in 2008 and steadily declined until he was consistently behind Christie the summer or fall of 2009, where he rebounded slightly but never back to the point where he started, then yeah. As for Santorum, he was always behind Casey by the same ten or so points pretty consistently throughout the campaign. That, of course, exploded to an 18 point loss on Election Day.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 20, 2010, 09:35:33 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45% +1

Disapprove 53% -2


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -2.

A bad sample look like it dropped off, but the numbers are still lower.  One more day is needed to confirm that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 20, 2010, 09:38:29 AM
SurveyUSA - May (600 adults):

California: 51% Approve, 44% Disapprove

Kansas: 33% Approve, 65% Disapprove

New York: 52% Approve, 45% Disapprove

Oregon: 52% Approve, 45% Disapprove

Washington: 49% Approve, 47% Disapprove

Are these real? If so, I have to lol @ Obama supposedly having the same approval in New York and Oregon. Ridiculous.

Rasmussen usually refutes SUSA within a few weeks. Supposedly Rasmussen has a model giving a house advantage to Republicans -- but SUSA goes far beyond what Rasmussen is accused of. SUSA generally polls the same group of states, and never ones likely to decide anything.

Actually Rasmussen generic ballot has dropped slightly.  It is at +6 R, but it was as high as +10 earlier in the year. 

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: yougo1000 on May 20, 2010, 09:41:30 AM
Realclear Politics

48.6   Approve   45.7   Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 20, 2010, 12:49:52 PM
Pennsylvania (Rasmussen):

47% Approve
52% Disapprove

This telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Pennsylvania was conducted by Rasmussen Reports May 19, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/pennsylvania/toplines/toplines_2010_pennsylvania_senate_may_19_2010)

Kentucky (Rasmussen):

36% Approve
63% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Kentucky was conducted on May 19, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/-4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/kentucky/toplines/toplines_2010_kentucky_senate_race_may_19_2010)

South Carolina GOP (Rasmussen):

10% Approve
90% Disapprove

The survey of 931 Likely Republican Primary Voters in South Carolina was conducted on May 17, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/south_carolina/toplines/toplines_south_carolina_gop_primary_for_governor_may_17_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 20, 2010, 01:11:51 PM
So a 2% approval in Minnesota makes it safe and a 15% disapproval in Texas makes it a tossup.  Yes.  Thank you for your wisdom.

Safe?

Hardly. George Allen started with an approval slightly above 50% in 2006 and still lost. He was a rarity -- but so was his "macaca" moment in whyich he said derogatory stuff against a minority group (Asian Indians) against whom few Americans show much antipathy, and so was the assault and battery by staffers against a heckler. Of course, such outrageous behavior is rare among politicians, and so is losing an election despite being up just over 50% a few months before the general election. Sure, 2006 was a bad year for Republicans -- but look at how the pattern held with Santorum, who started below 40% approval and gained... a little.

Of course it is possible that President Obama can still have a sub-par Presidency in which  approval ratings for him sink below 43%, in which case he dooms any effort to get re-elected. It is also possible that something could derail his effort -- something so unforeseeable as a sex scandal or blatant, inexcusable corruption. But 44% WILL BE ENOUGH AT ANY TIME BEFORE ABOUT APRIL 2012 to suggest a 50% share of the vote -- and victory.

Look at what the challenger has to do: not only must the challenger seal up the base, but also

(1) satisfy the factions within the GOP -- the Religious Right and Big Business alike -- and

(2) get the majority of independent voters if not pick off some dissident Democrats

So President Obama isn't the clear perfect match for America. Big deal! No President is!

But neither is any challenger. So far as I can tell, no imaginable GOP nominee has the certifiable ability to

(1) show no regional weaknesses

(2) appeal to the entire GOP coalition without offending just about every Democrat

(3) make inroads into the Blue Firewall.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 20, 2010, 01:15:16 PM
KY, PA updates (Sestak leads Toomey, by the way).

I have chosen to ignore the SUSA polls that usually create more trouble than they are worth.


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

39 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House. I have now recounted the likely electoral votes.



(
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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  171
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  58
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 100
white                        too close to call  3
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  39
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   63
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  46
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on May 20, 2010, 06:17:01 PM
Democracy Corps (D)

approval/disapproval: 47/47, 46/49 among likely voters

Fox News/Opinion Dynamics:

45/46


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 21, 2010, 09:18:54 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 46% +1

Disapprove 53% u


"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.


There might have been slight erosion on Obama's numbers, but across the board.  It doesn't indicate a big shift.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on May 21, 2010, 10:13:27 AM
Obama: 32/67 in Arkansas


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 21, 2010, 10:32:43 AM
Arkansas State Survey of 500 Likely Voters (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arkansas/toplines/toplines_2010_arkansas_senate_race_may_19_2010)
Conducted May 19, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

19% Strongly approve
13% Somewhat approve
10% Somewhat disapprove
57% Strongly disapprove
1% Not sure

This looks like about the range in which military coups happen in most countries. Mercifully for President Obama, Arkansas isn't particularly representative of the United States at large, or else he might be seeking political asylum..

North Dakota State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted May 18-19, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

23% Strongly approve
18% Somewhat approve
13% Somewhat disapprove
44% Strongly disapprove
2% Not sure


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

39 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House. I have just adjusted the colors for "medium" blue to create a sharper contrast.



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  171
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  58
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 100
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  39
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   66
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  46
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on May 21, 2010, 10:39:37 AM
I wanna see Obama's approval drop more just to see how pbrower can still twist it into an Obama advantage.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 21, 2010, 07:33:14 PM
I wanna see Obama's approval drop more just to see how pbrower can still twist it into an Obama advantage.

I am not enough of a liar to be a propagandist. If President Obama's approval rating should sink into the thirties, then his Administration is likely doomed. Low foerties? Troubvle, but not insurmountable. High forties?

By 2012 the campaign machine will be out of mothballs and the campaign will use its resources wisely to play the margins as it did in 2008.

President Obama has yet to show any suicidal vanity in his campaigns. He is a formidable speaker, and when he is on a full campaign he is as effective as Ronald Reagan.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on May 21, 2010, 07:43:26 PM
Looking at these numbers, I think the add 10 rule is more appropriate than anything else (add 10 to the approval rating). This puts Texas and Arizona in play. Obama is still safe for reelection against anyone the Republicans put up.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on May 21, 2010, 07:55:07 PM
This looks like about the range in which military coups happen in most countries. Mercifully for President Obama, Arkansas isn't particularly representative of the United States at large, or else he might be seeking political asylum..

lol, idiot


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on May 21, 2010, 08:18:30 PM
This looks like about the range in which military coups happen in most countries. Mercifully for President Obama, Arkansas isn't particularly representative of the United States at large, or else he might be seeking political asylum..

lol, idiot

() ;D


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on May 21, 2010, 08:21:01 PM
This looks like about the range in which military coups happen in most countries. Mercifully for President Obama, Arkansas isn't particularly representative of the United States at large, or else he might be seeking political asylum..

lol, idiot

() ;D

I have him on ignore actually....but I sometimes do look at the posts anyway. I sincerely regret it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 22, 2010, 10:33:16 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% +2

Disapprove 52% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DariusNJ on May 22, 2010, 05:26:46 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% +2

Disapprove 52% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.




So I guess it was a bad sample for the last few days.

I disapprove, I am really disappointed (to say the least) at his response to this oil spill.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on May 22, 2010, 10:06:59 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% +2

Disapprove 52% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.

What is a bad sample?


So I guess it was a bad sample for the last few days.

I disapprove, I am really disappointed (to say the least) at his response to this oil spill.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 22, 2010, 11:37:52 PM
Florida (Ipsos Public Affairs/St. Petersburg Times/Miami Herald etc.)

48% Approve
46% Disapprove

The telephone survey of 607 registered voters was conducted May 14–18 for News 13, Bay News 9, the St. Petersburg Times and the Miami Herald.

The poll was done by Ipsos Public Affairs, a Washington, D.C.-based independent, nonpartisan research company.

The margin of error was plus or minus 4 percentage points overall, and slightly more than 6 percentage points for questions asked solely to Democrats or Republicans.

Link (http://www.cfnews13.com/Politics/FloridaDecides/2010/5/22/exclusive_news_13_florida_decides_poll_where_were_headed.html)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 23, 2010, 06:12:27 AM
Florida update:


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)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

39 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House. I have just adjusted the colors for "medium" blue to create a sharper contrast.



(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  171
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  30
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 128
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  39
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   66
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  46
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 23, 2010, 10:12:41 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45% -3

Disapprove 54% +2


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 23, 2010, 10:20:32 AM


So I guess it was a bad sample for the last few days.

I disapprove, I am really disappointed (to say the least) at his response to this oil spill.

No, it is not a bad (or skewed) sample.  Any sample drops off after three days.  This started clearly on 5/17 and is still there.  Also Obama's disapproval numbers did not go up too much on Rasmussen.  This is back to the erosion of the base.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on May 23, 2010, 01:39:14 PM
Gallup: 48/45


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on May 23, 2010, 08:20:58 PM
where are ppl getting the add 10 points to the approval? Just for the sake of doing it?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on May 23, 2010, 08:29:32 PM
where are ppl getting the add 10 points to the approval? Just for the sake of doing it?

pbrower introduced us to the add 6 rule, where you add six to the approvals to get what percentage the incumbent will get in an election. I decided I would be a smart ass and add 10. I just made that up.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on May 23, 2010, 09:58:21 PM
I missed the maps rowans did. So here is an up to date one with his colors colors.

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 24, 2010, 05:41:12 AM
Texas (University of Texas / YouGov / Texas Tribune):

35% Approve
58% Disapprove

This is the third University of Texas/Texas Tribune Poll. The Internet survey of 800 registered voters was conducted May 14-20 and has a margin of error of +/- 3.46 percent.

http://static.texastribune.org/media/documents/UTTT_May_2010_Poll-day1-toplinespdf.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: yougo1000 on May 24, 2010, 07:19:57 AM
Pollster   Date   Approve   Disapprove
AVERAGE        43.8%    52.3%
AP GFK   5/7-11/10   45   52
CBS   4/28-5/2/10   48   47
ABC Washington Post   4/22-25/10   49   49
Quinnipiac   4/14-19/10   40   55
FOX   4/6-7/10   42   53
USA Today Gallup   3/26-28/10   37   61
CNN ORC   3/25-28/10   44   55
NBC WSJ   1/10-14/10   43   49
American Research Group   12/17-20/09   45   52
Bloomberg   12/3-7/09   45   50
Barack Obama's Handling of Afghanistan War

Do you approve/disapprove of Obama's handling of Afghanistan?
Pollster   Date   Approve   Disapprove
AVERAGE        48.3%    40.1%
AP GFK   5/7-11/10   49   39
ABC Washington Post   4/22-25/10   56   36
Fox   4/6-7/10   49   36
CBS   3/29-4/1/10   48   36
CNN   3/19-21/10   55   42
USA Today Gallup   2/1-3/10   48   47
Quinnipiac   4/14-19/10   49   39
NBC WSJ   12/11-14/09   46   42
Bloomberg   12/3-7/09   48   43
Rasmussen Reports   11/19-20/09   35   41
Barack Obama's Handling of the Federal Budget Deficit

Do you approve/disapprove of Obama's handling of the federal budget deficit?
Pollster   Date   Approve   Disapprove
AVERAGE        34.3%    59.9%
AP GFK   5/7-11/10   35   56
ABC Washington Post   4/22-25/10   40   55
Quinnipiac   4/14-19/10   34   59
Fox   4/6-7/10   31   62
USA Today Gallup   3/26-28/10   31   64
CNN   3/19-21/10   36   62
Gallup   2/1-3/10   32   64
Bloomberg   12/3-7/09   35   57
Barack Obama's Handling of Jobs and Unemployment

Do you approve/disapprove of Obama's handling of unemployment?
Pollster   Date   Approve   Disapprove
AVERAGE        41.1%    52.3%
AP GFK   5/7-11/10    43   48
Fox   4/6-7/10   40   54
CNN ORC   3/19-21/10   45   53
Gallup   3/4-7/10   38   54
ABC   2/4-8/10   47   51
Quinnipiac   4/14-19/10   38   56
CBS   12/4-8/09   38   47
USA Today Gallup   11/20-22/09   40   55
Barack Obama's Handling of Health Care

Do you approve/disapprove of Obama's handling of health care?
Pollster   Date   Approve   Disapprove
AVERAGE        43.0%    52.3%
AP GFK   5/7-11/10   45   51
CBS NYT   4/28-5/2/10   44   48
ABC Washington Post   4/22-25/10   49   49
Quinnipiac   4/14-19/10   40   55
Fox   4/6-7/10   40   53
USA Today Gallup   3/26-28/10   42   54
CNN ORC   3/25-28/10   45   54
NBC   3/11,13-14/10   41   57
Bloomberg   12/3-7/09   40   53
Marist   10/7,8&12/09   44   49


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 24, 2010, 08:07:59 AM
Texas (University of Texas / YouGov / Texas Tribune):

35% Approve
58% Disapprove

This is the third University of Texas/Texas Tribune Poll. The Internet survey of 800 registered voters was conducted May 14-20 and has a margin of error of +/- 3.46 percent.

http://static.texastribune.org/media/documents/UTTT_May_2010_Poll-day1-toplinespdf.pdf

Internet and interactive polls are not usable.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on May 24, 2010, 08:18:44 AM
where are ppl getting the add 10 points to the approval? Just for the sake of doing it?

pbrower introduced us to the add 6 rule, where you add six to the approvals to get what percentage the incumbent will get in an election. I decided I would be a smart ass and add 10. I just made that up.

If you do not add at least 15 yuo aer a rethuglican HACK


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 24, 2010, 11:21:17 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 44% -1

Disapprove 55% +1


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, u.


There is erosion in the base.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on May 24, 2010, 11:56:11 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 44% -1

Disapprove 55% +1


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, u.


There is erosion in the base.

It's the oil spill.  When that blows over in the media it will come back up a little bit.  As of right now, it doesn't seem like calling the spill "Obama's Katrina" (as retarded as it is) is helping him at all. 

And Rasmussen is probably a little more to the right, so I'd put his approval probably around 47-48. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 24, 2010, 12:07:27 PM
Alabama (Research 2000):

29% Favorable
66% Unfavorable

The Research 2000 Alabama Poll was conducted from May 17 through May 19, 2010. A total of 600 likely voters who vote regularly in state elections were interviewed statewide by telephone.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2010/5/19/AL/525


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 24, 2010, 12:18:32 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 44% -1

Disapprove 55% +1


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, u.


There is erosion in the base.

It's the oil spill.  When that blows over in the media it will come back up a little bit.  As of right now, it doesn't seem like calling the spill "Obama's Katrina" (as retarded as it is) is helping him at all. 

And Rasmussen is probably a little more to the right, so I'd put his approval probably around 47-48. 

Not really.  Obama's strongly approve numbers were lower prior to Obamacare.  They "spiked" then pulled back a bit.  It really has only been in the last ten days or so that there has been this erosion.  I think the oil spill started 35 days ago, and for the first 20 or so days, those numbers didn't decline.

Now, the oil spill hasn't helped, but it doesn't directly look like the cause.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 24, 2010, 01:54:47 PM
Washington (University of WA):

58% Approve
39% Disapprove

http://www.washingtonpoll.org/results/MAY2010.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on May 24, 2010, 02:25:46 PM
WA & AL

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 24, 2010, 02:38:50 PM
where are ppl getting the add 10 points to the approval? Just for the sake of doing it?

pbrower introduced us to the add 6 rule, where you add six to the approvals to get what percentage the incumbent will get in an election. I decided I would be a smart ass and add 10. I just made that up.

If you do not add at least 15 yuo aer a rethuglican HACK

It's Nate Silver -- not I -- who suggests the 6% addition to the a[[roval rating six months or so before the re-election bid of an incumbent politician.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 24, 2010, 02:41:16 PM
Washington update (AL is favorability, and not usable).

Georgia Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted May 20, 2010 (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/georgia/toplines/toplines_georgia_governor_may_20_2010)
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

29% Strongly approve
12% Somewhat approve
7% Somewhat disapprove
51% Strongly disapprove
1% Not sure:


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

39 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House. I have just adjusted the colors for "medium" blue to create a sharper contrast.



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  171
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  30
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 128
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  39
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   66
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  46
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are shown to be failures.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on May 24, 2010, 02:52:07 PM
WA & AL

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

So this would be the map if the election were tomorrow given the approvals:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on May 24, 2010, 03:18:12 PM

So this would be the map if the election were tomorrow given the approvals:

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No, remember you have to factor in the age wave and the plus 6 rule, so this should be a little bit more accurate

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 25, 2010, 12:37:07 AM
New Jersey (SurveyUSA, May 14-16, 600 state adults):

54% Approve (+1)
42% Disapprove (-2)

(Gov. Christie)

33% Approve (nc)
62% Disapprove (-1)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=011780b6-2dff-4b36-ae68-b5dcfc500cb0

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=1c5092ac-bdc9-4632-a9ab-17d8fd8e08db

This is the second time they polled Obama`s approval in New Jersey, but they didn´t post the April numbers on their website.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on May 25, 2010, 01:05:40 AM
NJ, no change on the map

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on May 25, 2010, 03:48:54 AM
New Jersey (SurveyUSA, May 14-16, 600 state adults):

54% Approve (+1)
42% Disapprove (-2)

(Gov. Christie)

33% Approve (nc)
62% Disapprove (-1)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=011780b6-2dff-4b36-ae68-b5dcfc500cb0

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=1c5092ac-bdc9-4632-a9ab-17d8fd8e08db

This is the second time they polled Obama`s approval in New Jersey, but they didn´t post the April numbers on their website.

The failure that is Chris Christie may be causing people to look at Obama a little more favorably there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 25, 2010, 09:19:05 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 42% -2

Disapprove 56% +1


"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, +1.


The erosion of the base is obviously there.  It is too early to tell, but there might be erosion in his other numbers as well.

Three things to note:

1.  Obama's disapproval numbers are tied for his highest number.

2.  Obama's "Approve" numbers are now lower than his "Strongly Disapprove" numbers.

3.  This could very easily a skewed sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on May 25, 2010, 10:11:23 AM
(Gov. Christie)

33% Approve (nc)
62% Disapprove (-1)

rofl


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on May 25, 2010, 11:17:57 AM
New Jersey (SurveyUSA, May 14-16, 600 state adults):

54% Approve (+1)
42% Disapprove (-2)

(Gov. Christie)

33% Approve (nc)
62% Disapprove (-1)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=011780b6-2dff-4b36-ae68-b5dcfc500cb0

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=1c5092ac-bdc9-4632-a9ab-17d8fd8e08db

This is the second time they polled Obama`s approval in New Jersey, but they didn´t post the April numbers on their website.

The failure that is Chris Christie may be causing people to look at Obama a little more favorably there.

Making tough and unpopular decisions isn't failure.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 25, 2010, 12:29:46 PM
Oregon Governor

Survey of 500 Likely Voters

May 20, 2010

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

37% Strongly approve

15% Somewhat approve

8% Somewhat disapprove

41% Strongly disapprove

0% Not sure

Also an update of New Jersey,  which has been polled little since the special gubernatorial election


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Forty states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House. I have just adjusted the colors for "medium" blue to create a sharper contrast.



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  178
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  37
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 128
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  39
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   66
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  46
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 25, 2010, 01:57:32 PM
FDU has Christie's approval at 44/42, so who knows what SUSA is smoking.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on May 25, 2010, 03:05:37 PM
FDU has Christie's approval at 44/42, so who knows what SUSA is smoking.

And Rasmussen has the cristie approval in 50's. Susa is very curious on Cristie. And I think very wrong.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on May 25, 2010, 07:46:03 PM

Hey, that's an improvement (technically)!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on May 25, 2010, 07:46:51 PM
FDU has Christie's approval at 44/42, so who knows what SUSA is smoking.

And you are trusting a uni poll over SUSA why exactly?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 25, 2010, 07:58:13 PM
FDU has Christie's approval at 44/42, so who knows what SUSA is smoking.

And you are trusting a uni poll over SUSA why exactly?

Because they have a long history of polling in New Jersey.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on May 25, 2010, 09:46:31 PM
Anyone see how 43% blame Obama and 48% blame Bush. He's catching up.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on May 26, 2010, 08:34:44 AM
FDU has Christie's approval at 44/42, so who knows what SUSA is smoking.

And you are trusting a uni poll over SUSA why exactly?

Because they have a long history of polling in New Jersey.

Fact: FDU sucks.

Just a note, Survey USA frequently reports wildly different approval numbers from other pollsters. That's not to say SUSA is more or less accurate. Instead, it's to say that you probably shouldn't compare SUSA numbers against the numbers you get from other polls for the purposes of conducting trendlines.

I think it's a function of SUSA's binary choice: You can either approve of the pol or disapprove. Those are your options. Most other pollsters, like Ras, give you the option to modify your disapproval with words like "somewhat."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 26, 2010, 08:50:43 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 43% +1

Disapprove 56% u


"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, +1.

It still could be a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 26, 2010, 10:32:49 AM
Minnesota State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted May 24, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

36% Strongly approve
17% Somewhat approve
12% Somewhat disapprove
34% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Forty states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House. I have just adjusted the colors for "medium" blue to create a sharper contrast.



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  188
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  27
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 128
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  39
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   66
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  46
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on May 26, 2010, 11:32:13 AM
OR & MN

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 26, 2010, 12:42:16 PM
California²:

Rasmussen: 55% Approve, 42% Disapprove

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/california/toplines/toplines_2010_california_governor_may_24_2010)

PPP: 49% Approve, 42% Disapprove

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_CA_526.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on May 26, 2010, 03:29:48 PM
Minnesota State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted May 24, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

36% Strongly approve
17% Somewhat approve
12% Somewhat disapprove
34% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Forty states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House. I have just adjusted the colors for "medium" blue to create a sharper contrast.



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  188
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  27
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 128
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  39
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   66
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  46
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

I love Minnesota


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on May 26, 2010, 06:12:17 PM
CA (using the Rasmussen poll)

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on May 26, 2010, 06:22:17 PM
Any reason you took one CA poll over the other? The other one intuitively looks more accurate to me.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on May 26, 2010, 06:49:49 PM
Any reason you took one CA poll over the other? The other one intuitively looks more accurate to me.
The PPP one is more than likely the more accurate of the two, but with so many people claiming Rasmussen polls show inaccurate numbers favoring those on the right, I just had to use the PPP poll :P



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 26, 2010, 08:16:27 PM
CA update:  I could average P and R and get the same result with R alone. The huge gap of undecided in California  according toP causes me to prefer R. 


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Forty states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House. I have just adjusted the colors for "medium" blue to create a sharper contrast.



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  188
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  27
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 128
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  39
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   66
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  46
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 27, 2010, 08:36:41 AM
Wisconsin State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted May 25, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

32% Strongly approve
17% Somewhat approve
  9% Somewhat disapprove
41% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Forty states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House. I have just adjusted the colors for "medium" blue to create a sharper contrast.



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  188
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  37
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 118
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  39
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   66
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  46
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 27, 2010, 09:14:12 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45% +2

Disapprove 53% -3


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -3.

A bad sample has dropped off, though Obama's numbers have still shown erosion over the past two weeks.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 27, 2010, 12:40:45 PM
Alabama (Rasmussen):

40% Approve
59% Disapprove

The survey of 500 Likely Voters in Alabama was conducted on May 25, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/alabama/toplines/toplines_alabama_senate_may_25_2010)

New Mexico (Rasmussen):

49% Approve
51% Disapprove

The survey of 500 Likely Voters in New Mexico was conducted on May 25, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/new_mexico/toplines/toplines_new_mexico_governor_may_25_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 27, 2010, 12:49:41 PM
South Carolina (PPP):

43% Approve
51% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 1,255 South Carolina voters, with a margin of error of +/-2.8%, from May 22nd to 23rd. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_SC_527.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 27, 2010, 01:02:40 PM
New Jersey (FDU):

49% Approve
40% Disapprove

The most recent survey by Fairleigh Dickinson University’s PublicMind was conducted by telephone from May 19, 2010, through May 23, 2010, using a randomly selected sample of 654 registered voters statewide. The margin of error for a sample of 654 randomly selected respondents is +/- 4 percentage points.

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/slides


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on May 27, 2010, 01:29:29 PM
AL, SC, NM, NJ, & WI

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on May 27, 2010, 01:56:15 PM
Yay NJ. This will prob stand for about 3 days. lol


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 27, 2010, 02:44:10 PM
AL, NM, SC -- NJ too many undecided.


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

41 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  183
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  42
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 122
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  68
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   66
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  46
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on May 27, 2010, 03:12:14 PM
AL, NM, SC -- NJ too many undecided.

11% is too many?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on May 27, 2010, 03:44:46 PM

pbrower, NJ is about 50% registered independents with so many state issues that pre-occupy us.  11% undecided is probably very accurate. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on May 27, 2010, 04:10:46 PM
The random, yet amazingly always pro-Obama reasons pbrower finds for rejecting polls from his list are almost as amusing as his conclusions.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: yougo1000 on May 27, 2010, 04:29:10 PM
Gallup

Approve 46%
Disapprove 47%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vosem on May 28, 2010, 05:29:11 AM
AL, SC, NM, NJ, & WI

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Took these numbers, translated them into an election map. Got this:

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Republican 293
Democrat 245


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 28, 2010, 11:37:14 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% +3

Disapprove 51% -2


"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -2.

Even though there are good numbers, there is still erosion on the Strongly Approve numbers over the last two weeks.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Edu on May 28, 2010, 12:30:38 PM
I just looked at some the Rasmussen polls you posted during the past 2 or 3 months and the 28% number of strongly approve seems to be consistent with what he had before (as far as i can tell these past 2 months he was always hovering from 26% or 27% to 30% or 31%).
Not saying you are wrong or anything, but i just don't really see an "erosion".


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 28, 2010, 12:47:25 PM
Washington (Rasmussen):

53% Approve
46% Disapprove

The survey of 500 Likely Voters in Washington was conducted on May 26, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/-4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/washington/toplines/toplines_washington_senate_may_26_2010)

South Dakota (Rasmussen):

43% Approve
56% Disapprove

The survey of 500 Likely Voters in South Dakota was conducted on May 26, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/-4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/south_dakota/toplines/toplines_south_dakota_governor_may_26_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on May 28, 2010, 12:54:04 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% +3

Disapprove 51% -2


"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -2.

Even though there are good numbers, there is still erosion on the Strongly Approve numbers over the last two weeks.

If the response to the oil spill has hurt Obama, it is most likely with his base. This is why you may be seeing the slight erosion in his strongly approve numbers. And perhaps he is gaining some back due to him being slightly more aggressive with BP. Though at the end of the day these people will vote Democrat. Of course they might not turn out in the midterms.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 28, 2010, 01:04:49 PM
We also have:

Ohio (University of Cincinnati):

46% Approve
49% Disapprove

A random sample of 668 likely voters from throughout the state was interviewed by landline and cellular telephone. In 95 of 100 cases, the statewide estimates will be accurate to plus or minus 3.8 percent.

http://www.ipr.uc.edu/documents/op052810.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 28, 2010, 01:13:56 PM



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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

41 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  183
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  42
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 122
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  68
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   66
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  46
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......

Except for Texas (one of the most volatile states for polls when it is polled, and I have no reason to believe that it will be as close as the model predicts) and perhaps South Carolina (where GOP politicians are often in ethical quicksand), my model suggests that the Presidential election of 2012 will look much like that of 2008. President Obama would win Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico by far-smaller margins.

The only swing state not yetaccounted for is Virginia.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on May 28, 2010, 02:07:00 PM
OH, SD, & WA

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 28, 2010, 02:07:42 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% +3

Disapprove 51% -2


"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -2.

Even though there are good numbers, there is still erosion on the Strongly Approve numbers over the last two weeks.

Maybe sending some troops to the border has helped his numbers a bit, because the measure is popular with voters, says Rasmussen.

But Gallup has moved down, so it could just be some movement.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on May 28, 2010, 02:39:44 PM
But Gallup has moved down, so it could just be some movement.

Logic suggests there would be some downward pressure on his numbers from growing concerns and unhappiness with the way the BP oil spill is being handled by the government and Obama's reaction to it. Then again, like you suggested about sending troops... *shrug*

That being said, all the movement is at the margins, and unless we see declines across the board, it's impossible to know if there's even a decline at all. Such is polling.  :/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on May 28, 2010, 02:58:50 PM
But Gallup has moved down, so it could just be some movement.

Logic suggests there would be some downward pressure on his numbers from growing concerns and unhappiness with the way the BP oil spill is being handled by the government and Obama's reaction to it. Then again, like you suggested about sending troops... *shrug*

That being said, all the movement is at the margins, and unless we see declines across the board, it's impossible to know if there's even a decline at all. Such is polling.  :/

Stop making so much sense.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: yougo1000 on May 28, 2010, 03:01:09 PM
OH, SD, & WA

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Changed it to a map. NOTE: Didn't change PV numbers.

289-249

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: izixs on May 28, 2010, 04:20:54 PM
What happened in Iowa?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: yougo1000 on May 28, 2010, 04:21:51 PM
Sorry


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 28, 2010, 10:44:52 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% +3

Disapprove 51% -2


"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -2.

Even though there are good numbers, there is still erosion on the Strongly Approve numbers over the last two weeks.

If the response to the oil spill has hurt Obama, it is most likely with his base. This is why you may be seeing the slight erosion in his strongly approve numbers. And perhaps he is gaining some back due to him being slightly more aggressive with BP. Though at the end of the day these people will vote Democrat. Of course they might not turn out in the midterms.

It occurred about 3-4 weeks into the spill, and it isn't rebounding as of yet.  Yet, it is limited to his Strongly Approved numbers, so far.  It isn't translating into solidly higher disapproval numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 29, 2010, 08:50:32 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% u

Disapprove 52% +2


"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.

It is possible that there is a skewed pro-Obama in there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: muon2 on May 30, 2010, 05:47:37 AM
OH, SD, & WA

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Changed it to a map. NOTE: Didn't change PV numbers.

289-249

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Your should shift it to 293-245 to account for EV changes before 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 30, 2010, 09:33:13 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47% -1

Disapprove 52% +1


"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.

If it is a bad sample, we should see Obama's Strongly Approve numbers drop tomorrow.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 30, 2010, 11:41:08 PM
NC State Senate District 8 (SurveyUSA):

39% Approve
57% Disapprove

http://www.nccivitas.org/files/SurveyUSA%208.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 31, 2010, 09:35:05 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 46% -1

Disapprove 54% +2


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.

A bad sample is dropping off.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 31, 2010, 12:32:36 PM
New   Hampshire

Survey of 500 Likely Voters (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/new_hampshire/toplines/toplines_2010_new_hampshire_governor_may_26_2010)

May 26, 2010

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

     

       31% Strongly approve

       14% Somewhat approve

         9% Somewhat disapprove

       45% Strongly disapprove

         0% Not sure

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

41 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.



(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  183
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  38
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 126
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  68
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   66
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  46
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......

Except for Texas (one of the most volatile states for polls when it is polled, and I have no reason to believe that it will be as close as the model predicts) and perhaps South Carolina (where GOP politicians are often in ethical quicksand), my model suggests that the Presidential election of 2012 will look much like that of 2008. President Obama would win Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico by far-smaller margins.

The only swing state not yet accounted for is Virginia.






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on May 31, 2010, 11:38:10 PM
NH

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 01, 2010, 07:17:43 AM
[Rhode Island State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted May 27, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

33% Strongly approve
22% Somewhat approve
12% Somewhat disapprove
31% Strongly disapprove
  2% Not sure

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

      

       31% Strongly approve

       14% Somewhat approve

         9% Somewhat disapprove

       45% Strongly disapprove

         0% Not sure

South Dakota General Election

Survey of 500 Likely Voters

May 27, 2010

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

     

       27% Strongly approve

       16% Somewhat approve

         9% Somewhat disapprove

       47% Strongly disapprove

         0% Not sure

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

41 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.



(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  183
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  35
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 129
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  68
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin   66
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  46
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......

Except for Texas (one of the most volatile states for polls when it is polled, and I have no reason to believe that it will be as close as the model predicts) and perhaps South Carolina (where GOP politicians are often in ethical quicksand), my model suggests that the Presidential election of 2012 will look much like that of 2008. President Obama would win Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico by far-smaller margins.

The only swing state not yet accounted for is Virginia.







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on June 01, 2010, 09:39:34 AM
RI

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 01, 2010, 12:05:07 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 46% u

Disapprove 54% u


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.

That was easy.  :)




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on June 01, 2010, 05:15:33 PM
Obama approval rating May 2010 (gallup):

48% Approve
44% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 42/43 (May 1978)
Reagan: 45/45 (May 1982)
Bush I: 65/20 (May 1990)
Clinton: 51/42 (May 1994)
Bush II: 76/18 (May 2002)

Obama's approval rating has actually been amazingly stable since December:

Dec. 50/43
Jan. 49/44
Feb. 50/43
Mar. 48/44
Apr. 49/45
May 48/44


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 02, 2010, 10:02:37 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 46% u

Disapprove 53% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 02, 2010, 10:09:19 AM
Obama approval rating May 2010 (gallup):

48% Approve
44% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 42/43 (May 1978)
Reagan: 45/45 (May 1982)
Bush I: 65/20 (May 1990)
Clinton: 51/42 (May 1994)
Bush II: 76/18 (May 2002)

Obama's approval rating has actually been amazingly stable since December:

Dec. 50/43
Jan. 49/44
Feb. 50/43
Mar. 48/44
Apr. 49/45
May 48/44

The thing I've found the most interesting is his high negatives, which has been repeated on Rasmussen's Daily.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 02, 2010, 11:50:02 AM
First June poll (letter F):

Kentucky Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted June 1, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

       21% Strongly approve
       16% Somewhat approve
       12% Somewhat disapprove
       51% Strongly disapprove
         0% Not sure

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

41 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.



(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  183
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  35
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 129
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  68
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  58
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......

Except for Texas (one of the most volatile states for polls when it is polled, and I have no reason to believe that it will be as close as the model predicts) and perhaps South Carolina (where GOP politicians are often in ethical quicksand), my model suggests that the Presidential election of 2012 will look much like that of 2008. President Obama would win Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico by far-smaller margins.

The only swing state not yet accounted for is Virginia.







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on June 02, 2010, 03:34:55 PM
So, Obama's been stuck at about 50-50 for the last six months (at minimum).  What a surprise - I've been saying that myself.

FYI - there's a real reason why this is occurring.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on June 02, 2010, 05:13:35 PM
So, Obama's been stuck at about 50-50 for the last six months (at minimum).  What a surprise - I've been saying that myself.

FYI - there's a real reason why this is occurring.

Which is?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 02, 2010, 09:37:49 PM
So, Obama's been stuck at about 50-50 for the last six months (at minimum).  What a surprise - I've been saying that myself.

FYI - there's a real reason why this is occurring.

Which is?

Be patient.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 03, 2010, 08:39:29 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% +2

Disapprove 52% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on June 03, 2010, 08:52:01 AM
So, Obama's been stuck at about 50-50 for the last six months (at minimum).  What a surprise - I've been saying that myself.

FYI - there's a real reason why this is occurring.

God forbid you actually tell us mere mortals said "real reason".


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Inmate Trump on June 03, 2010, 10:19:47 AM
He just keeps going down, down, down.

The only "real reason" his #s are so bad and getting worse is because he doesn't appear to have a clue as to what he's doing.  Maybe he does, but the appearance he's given off is that he doesn't.  From the economy, to the oil spill, to health care, the president seems more and more out of the loop; he's screwed up one thing after another.  In fact, the only thing he's really delivered on is "don't ask, don't tell" and that's not even a done deal yet (to no fault of the president).

I've always said he's going to get reelected if for no other reason than the Republicans simply don't have a good candidate.  Well, that may not matter anymore.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 03, 2010, 10:33:28 AM
Connecticut State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted June 1, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

29% Strongly approve
27% Somewhat approve
11% Somewhat disapprove
32% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

41 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.



(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  183
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  35
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 129
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  68
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  58
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......

Except for Texas (one of the most volatile states for polls when it is polled, and I have no reason to believe that it will be as close as the model predicts) and perhaps South Carolina (where GOP politicians are often in ethical quicksand), my model suggests that the Presidential election of 2012 will look much like that of 2008. President Obama would win Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico by far-smaller margins.

The only swing state not yet accounted for is Virginia.






[/quote]


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on June 03, 2010, 10:51:12 AM
He just keeps going down, down, down.

There has been very little movement in recent months, so no, not really.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 03, 2010, 11:32:34 AM
Missouri (Rasmussen):

46% Approve
54% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Missouri was conducted by Rasmussen Reports, June 2, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/missouri/toplines/toplines_2010_missouri_senate_june_2_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Inmate Trump on June 03, 2010, 01:44:51 PM
He just keeps going down, down, down.

There has been very little movement in recent months, so no, not really.

I didn't say "recent months."  I didn't specify any time frame actually.  His downward trend has been more gradual, it's true.  But nevertheless, he has seen little more than a steady decline that keeps declining.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 03, 2010, 03:13:55 PM
Michigan (PPP):

46% Approve
50% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 890 Michigan voters from May 25th to 27th. The margin of error for the survey is +/-3.3%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_MI_603.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 03, 2010, 03:34:40 PM
He just keeps going down, down, down.

There has been very little movement in recent months, so no, not really.

Yeh, I'm seeing a slight decline, but nothing great.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on June 03, 2010, 04:46:21 PM
KY, CT, MO, & MI

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on June 03, 2010, 08:10:02 PM
So, Obama's been stuck at about 50-50 for the last six months (at minimum).  What a surprise - I've been saying that myself.

FYI - there's a real reason why this is occurring.

God forbid you actually tell us mere mortals said "real reason".

I really do enjoy this, too much actually.

One of these days I think I'm going to write something about the immovable 48.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 04, 2010, 07:44:16 AM
PA (Rasmussen):

48% Approve
52% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Pennsylvania was conducted on June 2, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/-4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/pennsylvania/2010_senate_election/toplines/toplines_pennsylvania_senate_june_2_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 04, 2010, 09:35:21 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% u

Disapprove 52% u


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +1.

The new normal.  What has really moved in the last month is the "Strongly Approve" number.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 04, 2010, 11:46:17 AM
IN (Rasmussen):

41% Approve
58% Disapprove

The survey of 500 Likely Voters in Indiana was conducted on June 2-3, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/indiana/toplines/toplines_2010_indiana_senate_june_2_3_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 04, 2010, 12:00:15 PM

IN, MI, MO, PA updates:

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

41 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.



(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  183
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  19
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 156
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  46
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  69
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......

Except for Texas (one of the most volatile states for polls when it is polled, and I have no reason to believe that it will be as close as the model predicts) and perhaps South Carolina (where GOP politicians are often in ethical quicksand), my model suggests that the Presidential election of 2012 will look much like that of 2008. President Obama would win Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico by far-smaller margins.

The only swing state not yet accounted for is Virginia.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 04, 2010, 12:02:35 PM
NM (Rasmussen):

52% Approve
48% Disapprove

The survey of 500 Likely Voters in New Mexico was conducted on June 3, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/new_mexico/toplines/toplines_new_mexico_governor_june_3_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 04, 2010, 12:27:12 PM
IA (PPP):

43% Approve
52% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 1,277 Iowa voters from May 25th to 27th. The margin of error for the survey was +/-2.7%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_IA_604.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on June 04, 2010, 12:45:30 PM
IA, NM, PA, & IN

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 04, 2010, 06:09:52 PM
Iowa hard to believe, NM makes sense:

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

41 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.



(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  176
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  24
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 151
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  52
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  69
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......

Except for Texas (one of the most volatile states for polls when it is polled, and I have no reason to believe that it will be as close as the model predicts) and perhaps South Carolina (where GOP politicians are often in ethical quicksand), my model suggests that the Presidential election of 2012 will look much like that of 2008. President Obama would win Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico by far-smaller margins.

The only swing state not yet accounted for is Virginia.


[/quote]


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on June 04, 2010, 09:39:55 PM
Going to make an update for May tomorrow.  It will read...

ALL POLLS:  48% Approve, 49% Disapprove (from 48% Approve, 48% Disapprove)
W/O RASMUSSEN:  47% Approve, 47% Disapprove (from 48% Approve, 46% Disapprove)
RASMUSSEN LAST POLL/COMBINED LAST THREE:  49% Approve, 50% Disapprove (unchanged)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on June 04, 2010, 11:24:31 PM
Sam, is there still a real reason this is occurring, or is there now a fake reason?  Please advise.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 05, 2010, 08:46:07 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45% -3

Disapprove 54% +2


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on June 05, 2010, 08:50:27 AM
Sam, is there still a real reason this is occurring, or is there now a fake reason?  Please advise.

There's both a real and a fake reason.  Can't figure out why.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on June 06, 2010, 12:26:01 AM
Sam, is there still a real reason this is occurring, or is there now a fake reason?  Please advise.

There's both a real and a fake reason.  Can't figure out why.

Maybe just a proportionate number of Americans shift their views and keep the scales balanced.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 06, 2010, 12:29:20 AM
IA (PPP):

43% Approve
52% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 1,277 Iowa voters from May 25th to 27th. The margin of error for the survey was +/-2.7%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_IA_604.pdf

I´ve sent R2000 an email if they polled Obama`s approval in Iowa for KCCI.

Let´s see which results they have.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 06, 2010, 08:18:32 AM
IA (PPP):

43% Approve
52% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 1,277 Iowa voters from May 25th to 27th. The margin of error for the survey was +/-2.7%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_IA_604.pdf

I´ve sent R2000 an email if they polled Obama`s approval in Iowa for KCCI.

Let´s see which results they have.

Just got the email and they didn´t poll Obama`s approval rating for KCCI ... :(


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 06, 2010, 09:11:15 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 46% +1

Disapprove 54% u


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on June 06, 2010, 03:39:05 PM
Prior Months State-by-State Approvals Posts (meaning this month's one is coming up soon)

May 2010
 1) ALL POLLS (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=91754.msg2481284#msg2481284)
 2) RASMUSSEN LAST 3 POLLS (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=91754.msg2481350#msg2481350)
 3) RASMUSSEN LAST POLL (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=91754.msg2481371#msg2481371)
 4) ALL NON-RASMUSSEN POLLS (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=91754.msg2481389#msg2481389)

April 2010
 1) ALL POLLS (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=91754.msg2442282#msg2442282)
 2) RASMUSSEN LAST 3 POLLS (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=91754.msg2443095#msg2443095)
 3) RASMUSSEN LAST POLL (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=91754.msg2443121#msg2443121)
 4) ALL NON-RASMUSSEN POLLS (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=91754.msg2444343#msg2444343)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on June 06, 2010, 04:46:13 PM
Obama Job Approval chart - ALL POLLS
Updated June 6, 2010

Methodology (at this point - will probably start narrowing closer to 2010 elections)

- All polls per state done in last six weeks (must be started after March 29 for this week), maximum one poll per firm.
- Other polls done in last six months can be included, but no more than three polls per state can be outside the six week envelope and if more than three polls done in last six weeks, no polls before that.  (also if one poll done in last six weeks, then only two can be included in six month period, two polls, then one, etc).
- No favorable polls; no excellent/good/fair/poor polls; no Rutgers-Eagleton/Strategic Vision/any other questionable company; no partisan/internals, my judgment as to what is prevails
- National number is an amalgamation of 2008/2004 turnout with certain additional variables.
- Virginia Gov/Massachusetts Special polls ignored.  New Jersey Gov polls wouldn't be included under the methodology anyways.

State# of PollsObama ApprovalObama Disapproval2008 Obama2004 Kerry2000 Gore
Alabama339%58%39%37%42%
Alaska238%59%38%36%28%
Arizona242%56%45%44%45%
Arkansas336%62%39%45%46%
California453%42%61%54%53%
Colorado245%53%54%47%42%
Connecticut355%41%61%54%56%
DC0NoneNone92%89%85%
Delaware154%46%62%53%55%
Florida349%46%51%47%49%
Georgia342%56%47%41%43%
Hawaii177%23%72%54%56%
Idaho233%62%36%30%28%
Illinois256%41%62%55%55%
Indiana238%58%50%39%41%
Iowa348%49%54%49%49%
Kansas235%64%42%37%37%
Kentucky337%60%41%40%41%
Louisiana140%59%40%42%45%
Maine0NoneNone58%54%49%
Maryland359%35%62%56%57%
Massachusetts163%37%62%62%60%
Michigan248%50%57%51%51%
Minnesota252%48%54%51%48%
Mississippi0NoneNone43%40%41%
Missouri345%53%49%46%47%
Montana0NoneNone47%39%33%
Nebraska138%61%42%33%33%
Nevada246%52%55%48%46%
New Hampshire347%50%54%50%47%
New Jersey352%40%57%53%56%
New Mexico249%48%57%49%48%
New York358%39%63%58%60%
North Carolina346%51%50%44%43%
North Dakota141%57%45%36%33%
Ohio346%50%51%49%46%
Oklahoma237%60%34%34%38%
Oregon252%47%57%51%47%
Pennsylvania346%50%54%51%51%
Rhode Island155%43%63%59%61%
South Carolina246%46%45%41%41%
South Dakota242%54%45%38%38%
Tennessee239%57%42%43%47%
Texas337%59%44%38%38%
Utah129%69%34%26%26%
Vermont262%36%67%59%51%
Virginia246%53%53%45%44%
Washington353%44%57%53%50%
West Virginia0NoneNone43%43%46%
Wisconsin346%49%56%50%48%
Wyoming131%68%33%29%28%
NATIONAL48%49%53%48%48%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on June 06, 2010, 05:18:30 PM
Obama Job Approval chart - RASMUSSEN LAST 3 POLLS
Updated June 6, 2010

Methodology (at this point - will probably start narrowing closer to 2010 elections)

- This chart covers an average of the last two/three Rasmussen polls within the last six months, or simply the last poll if no poll exists in that time frame.
- National number is an amalgamation of 2008/2004 turnout with certain additional variables.
- Massachusetts Special polls ignored.

State# of PollsObama ApprovalObama Disapproval2008 Obama2004 Kerry2000 Gore
Alabama241%59%39%37%42%
Alaska139%61%38%36%28%
Arizona338%61%45%44%45%
Arkansas335%64%39%45%46%
California359%39%61%54%53%
Colorado344%56%54%47%42%
Connecticut356%42%61%54%56%
DC0NoneNone92%89%85%
Delaware352%48%62%53%55%
Florida347%51%51%47%49%
Georgia342%56%47%41%43%
Hawaii177%23%72%54%56%
Idaho130%70%36%30%28%
Illinois358%41%62%55%55%
Indiana341%58%50%39%41%
Iowa348%51%54%49%49%
Kansas240%60%42%37%37%
Kentucky338%62%41%40%41%
Louisiana338%61%40%42%45%
Maine0NoneNone58%54%49%
Maryland259%40%62%56%57%
Massachusetts358%42%62%62%60%
Michigan249%50%57%51%51%
Minnesota351%48%54%51%48%
Mississippi0NoneNone43%40%41%
Missouri343%56%49%46%47%
Montana0NoneNone47%39%33%
Nebraska138%61%42%33%33%
Nevada345%55%55%48%46%
New Hampshire348%51%54%50%47%
New Jersey153%47%57%53%56%
New Mexico352%48%57%49%48%
New York357%42%63%58%60%
North Carolina342%57%50%44%43%
North Dakota343%55%45%36%33%
Ohio347%52%51%49%46%
Oklahoma138%62%34%34%38%
Oregon354%46%57%51%47%
Pennsylvania348%50%54%51%51%
Rhode Island358%41%63%59%61%
South Carolina0NoneNone45%41%41%
South Dakota344%55%45%38%38%
Tennessee136%62%42%43%47%
Texas340%59%44%38%38%
Utah129%69%34%26%26%
Vermont160%39%67%59%51%
Virginia249%51%53%45%44%
Washington354%45%57%53%50%
West Virginia0NoneNone43%43%46%
Wisconsin350%50%56%50%48%
Wyoming131%68%33%29%28%
NATIONAL49%50%53%48%48%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 07, 2010, 11:46:34 AM
Ohio update from Rasmussen: (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/ohio/toplines/toplines_ohio_senate_june_3_2010)

Ohio Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted June 3, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

     34% Strongly approve
     15% Somewhat approve
       8% Somewhat disapprove
     42% Strongly disapprove
      0% Not sure

Dead heat in the Senate race to replace retiring Senator Voinovich, by the way.

The Iowa poll was obsolete.

Alabama Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted June 3, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

       29% Strongly approve
       11% Somewhat approve
         8% Somewhat disapprove
       50% Strongly disapprove
         1% Not sure



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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

41 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  183
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  19
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 156
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  46
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  69
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......

Except for Texas (one of the most volatile states for polls when it is polled, and I have no reason to believe that it will be as close as the model predicts) and perhaps South Carolina (where GOP politicians are often in ethical quicksand), my model suggests that the Presidential election of 2012 will look much like that of 2008. President Obama would win Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico by far-smaller margins.

The only swing state not yet accounted for is Virginia.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on June 07, 2010, 11:54:27 AM
OH

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 07, 2010, 05:42:23 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 46% U

Disapprove 53% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ameriplan on June 07, 2010, 09:14:46 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 46% U

Disapprove 53% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.




Very interesting because that means that people who have stronger opinions are more likely to turn out and vote against.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 08, 2010, 07:44:17 AM
NC (Rasmussen):

45% Approve
55% Disapprove

This state survey of 500 Likely Voters in North Carolina was conducted on June 3, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/north_carolina/toplines/toplines_north_carolina_senate_june_3_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 08, 2010, 07:46:48 AM
North Carolina Survey of 500 Likely Voters (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/north_carolina/election_2010_north_carolina_senate)
Conducted June 3, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

30% Strongly approve
15% Somewhat approve
11% Somewhat disapprove
44% Strongly disapprove
  0% Not sure


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)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

41 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  183
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  19
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 156
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  46
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  69
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......

Except for Texas (one of the most volatile states for polls when it is polled, and I have no reason to believe that it will be as close as the model predicts) and perhaps South Carolina (where GOP politicians are often in ethical quicksand), my model suggests that the Presidential election of 2012 will look much like that of 2008. President Obama would win Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico by far-smaller margins.

The only swing state not yet accounted for is Virginia.



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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 08, 2010, 07:57:39 AM
The only swing state not yet accounted for is Virginia.

Yeah, and we probably won´t get anything from there until after November because there is no statewide election this year and PPP only wants to poll states that have a statewide election this year. Maybe Rasmussen will poll it some time in the next months to show us how Gov. McDonnell is doing these days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 08, 2010, 07:59:29 AM

Why ?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 08, 2010, 08:54:26 AM
Obama at 49-50 (+3, -3) today on Rasmussen.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 08, 2010, 09:06:24 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 49% +3

Disapprove 50% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.


A good Obama sample, but that Strongly Approve number is still showing a drop.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 08, 2010, 12:36:06 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 49% +3

Disapprove 50% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.


A good Obama sample, but that Strongly Approve number is still showing a drop.

49% approval for an incumbent before the electoral campaign begins in earnest almost always implies a victory. There will be those who won't be happy with either the incumbent or the challenger, and will hibernate in the election. George W. Bush had lower approvals throughout most of 2004 and still won despite having a high rate of "strong disapproval".

That of course is also before the campaign apparatus comes out of mothballs, and we all know how good the Obama campaign was in 2008. That is before we know who the GOP nominee is and what weaknesses he has ... and how the Obama campaign will be able to exploit them.

John McCain looked strong going into the Republican convention even with the economy on the brink of a meltdown. His war record was unassailable. He couldn't be tied to the blatant corruption and incompetence of an unpopular administration.   

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on June 08, 2010, 12:55:54 PM
NC

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 08, 2010, 06:08:44 PM

Colorado Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted June 7, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

  

    29% Strongly approve

    14% Somewhat approve

      7% Somewhat disapprove

    50% Strongly disapprove

      1% Not sure


(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

41 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.



(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  183
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  19
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 147
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  55
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  69
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......

Except for Texas (one of the most volatile states for polls when it is polled, and I have no reason to believe that it will be as close as the model predicts) and perhaps South Carolina (where GOP politicians are often in ethical quicksand), my model suggests that the Presidential election of 2012 will look much like that of 2008. President Obama would win Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico by far-smaller margins.

The only swing state not yet accounted for is Virginia.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on June 09, 2010, 12:18:54 AM
CO

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)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 09, 2010, 08:41:03 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 46% -3

Disapprove 53% +1


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +2.


A good Obama sample dropped off.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 09, 2010, 08:43:23 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 49% +3

Disapprove 50% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.


A good Obama sample, but that Strongly Approve number is still showing a drop.

49% approval for an incumbent before the electoral campaign begins in earnest almost always implies a victory. There will be those who won't be happy with either the incumbent or the challenger, and will hibernate in the election. George W. Bush had lower approvals throughout most of 2004 and still won despite having a high rate of "strong disapproval".

 

Or, a good Obama sample dropped off. 

He "dropped" today, but it was probably just a good sample dropping off.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 09, 2010, 08:46:19 AM
Florida Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted June 7, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly

approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s

been doing?

      

33% Strongly approve

       13% Somewhat approve

         8% Somewhat disapprove

       45% Strongly disapprove

         0% Not sure



Illinois Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted June 7, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

       39% Strongly approve
       17% Somewhat approve
         7% Somewhat disapprove
       37% Strongly disapprove
         0% Not sure

Senate races in both states are near-ties.


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)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

41 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.



(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  183
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  19
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 147
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  55
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  69
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......

Except for Texas (one of the most volatile states for polls when it is polled, and I have no reason to believe that it will be as close as the model predicts) and perhaps South Carolina (where GOP politicians are often in ethical quicksand), my model suggests that the Presidential election of 2012 will look much like that of 2008. President Obama would win Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico by far-smaller margins.

The only swing state not yet accounted for is Virginia.






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vosem on June 09, 2010, 10:50:36 AM

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.



Like Obama?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Iosif on June 09, 2010, 10:54:06 AM
This thread is awful.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on June 09, 2010, 11:55:35 AM

But an irresistable kind of awful you just can't stay away from.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 09, 2010, 12:37:09 PM
FL (Quinnipiac):

40% Approve
54% Disapprove

From June 1 - 7, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,133 Florida voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.9 percentage points. For the Chiles matchups, there were 435 registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 4.7 percent.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1461


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 09, 2010, 04:00:32 PM

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.



Like Obama?

It applies to incumbents running for statewide offices or statewide races (a Presidential election is effectively fifty statewide races, one district-wide race (DC), and five Congressional races (ME-01, ME-02, NE-01, NE-02, and NE-03).

If President Obama should become a failure (still possible), then the usual 6% edge for an incumbent just won't be enough for him to overcome. Think of Jimmy Carter.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on June 09, 2010, 04:15:54 PM
FL

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 09, 2010, 06:01:09 PM

Only because Obama's numbers have dropped, right?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 10, 2010, 08:47:18 AM
California State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted June 9, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

       43% Strongly approve
       16% Somewhat approve
         6% Somewhat disapprove
       33% Strongly disapprove
         1% Not sure

Florida now shows a Q-R average

Nevada General Election

Survey of 500 Likely Voters

June 9, 2010

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

32% Strongly approve
16% Somewhat approve
  8% Somewhat disapprove
43% Strongly disapprove
  0% Not sure

Maryland Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted June 8, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

 

   39% Strongly approve

   17% Somewhat approve

     8% Somewhat disapprove

   35% Strongly disapprove

     1% Not sure


(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

41 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  183
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  19
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 147
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  55
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  69
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......

Except for Texas (one of the most volatile states for polls when it is polled, and I have no reason to believe that it will be as close as the model predicts) and perhaps South Carolina (where GOP politicians are often in ethical quicksand), my model suggests that the Presidential election of 2012 will look much like that of 2008. President Obama would win Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico by far-smaller margins.

The only swing state not yet accounted for is Virginia.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 10, 2010, 09:54:24 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 46% u

Disapprove 53% u


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on June 10, 2010, 11:23:10 AM
When was the last time North Carolina was polled?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on June 10, 2010, 12:39:02 PM
When was the last time North Carolina was polled?
within the last week I think, on the maps the numbers (on mine) and the letters (on pbrower2a's) represent the month the last poll was in.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 10, 2010, 01:11:12 PM
CT (Quinnipiac):

53% Approve
42% Disapprove

From June 2 - 8, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,350 Connecticut registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.7 percentage points. The survey includes 500 Democrats with a margin of error of +/- 4.4 percentage points and 343 Republicans with a margin of error of +/- 5.3 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1296.xml?ReleaseID=1463


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 10, 2010, 01:49:29 PM
Gallup: 44% Approve, 48% Disapprove (-3, +3)

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

Fox News: 46% Approve, 45% Disapprove

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/061010_OilSpill.pdf

PPP: 48% Approve, 47% Disapprove

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_609.pdf

ABC News/Washington Post: 52% Approve, 45% Disapprove

http://abcnews.go.com/images/GMA/Frustration_2010-style.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on June 10, 2010, 02:43:06 PM
CA, & CT

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on June 11, 2010, 12:57:27 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 49% +3

Disapprove 50% -1


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.


A good Obama sample, but that Strongly Approve number is still showing a drop.

49% approval for an incumbent before the electoral campaign begins in earnest almost always implies a victory. There will be those who won't be happy with either the incumbent or the challenger, and will hibernate in the election. George W. Bush had lower approvals throughout most of 2004 and still won despite having a high rate of "strong disapproval".

That of course is also before the campaign apparatus comes out of mothballs, and we all know how good the Obama campaign was in 2008. That is before we know who the GOP nominee is and what weaknesses he has ... and how the Obama campaign will be able to exploit them.

John McCain looked strong going into the Republican convention even with the economy on the brink of a meltdown. His war record was unassailable. He couldn't be tied to the blatant corruption and incompetence of an unpopular administration.    

 

I hate people when they don't check their facts. Bush was as high as 60% in early 2004. He dipped to a low of ~47%. But also was able to get to 53% before the election. This is all according to Gallup (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx    ). Not once was he below 44%, which is where Obama is today.

Check your facts, or you'll lose credibility just as fast as the current POTUS.

You also don't understand politics. Campaigns don't really matter (unless it's close ie Gore vs. Bush, or if one candidates campaigns and the other one doesn't) Presidential elections are judged on two things:

1. Economy (Which was tanking)
2. Incumbent's popularity (Bush's approval rating was so low)

I don't care who was running in 2008, no Republican would have won. It's that simple.

Bush won the election for Obama, just as Nixon won it for Carter. 2008 wasn't a realigning election just as 1976 wasn't. It was a vote against the Republican party. 2012 will show that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on June 11, 2010, 08:08:32 AM
When was the last time North Carolina was polled?
within the last week I think, on the maps the numbers (on mine) and the letters (on pbrower2a's) represent the month the last poll was in.
Oh, thanks.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 11, 2010, 09:09:09 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 46% u

Disapprove 54% +1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 11, 2010, 02:10:29 PM
Maine, finally: (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/maine/toplines/toplines_maine_governor_june_10_2010)

Maine State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted June 10, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

      

       28% Strongly approve

       20% Somewhat approve

       13% Somewhat disapprove

       38% Strongly disapprove

         0% Not sure

Maine is not distinguished in approval between Congressional districts, but the state is fairly homogeneous in its voting (much unlike Nebraska) between districts. Closer than I would have expected, though.


(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

42 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  183
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  19
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 151
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  55
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  69
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......

Except for Texas (one of the most volatile states for polls when it is polled, and I have no reason to believe that it will be as close as the model predicts) and perhaps South Carolina (where GOP politicians are often in ethical quicksand), my model suggests that the Presidential election of 2012 will look much like that of 2008. President Obama would win Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico by far-smaller margins.

The only swing state not yet accounted for is Virginia.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on June 11, 2010, 04:28:24 PM
He can't get above 50% because he has the image of a politician who talks street.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on June 11, 2010, 05:02:23 PM
He can't get above 50% because he has the image of a politician who talks street.

/facepalm


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 11, 2010, 05:23:01 PM
He can't get above 50% because he has the image of a politician who talks street.

/facepalm

... why doesn't Derek ascribe the low approval to a bad economy, to not actively campaigning, or even  to the oil disaster in the Gulf of Mexico?

Of course one can criticize President Obama, but one needs to "get" him for something true.  I don't hear any "street" talk.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 11, 2010, 05:25:17 PM
He can't get above 50% because he has the image of a politician who talks street.

/facepalm

... why doesn't Derek ascribe the low approval to a bad economy, to not actively campaigning, or even  to the oil disaster in the Gulf of Mexico?

Of course one can criticize President Obama, but one needs to "get" him for something true.  I don't hear any "street" talk.
None of the Republicans are "actively campaign" either. Obama's at more of an advantage than any Republican because he is in the power to make chances that the country might like.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on June 11, 2010, 06:48:28 PM
Maine!

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 11, 2010, 08:30:45 PM
He can't get above 50% because he has the image of a politician who talks street.

/facepalm

... why doesn't Derek ascribe the low approval to a bad economy, to not actively campaigning, or even  to the oil disaster in the Gulf of Mexico?

Of course one can criticize President Obama, but one needs to "get" him for something true.  I don't hear any "street" talk.
None of the Republicans are "actively campaign" either. Obama's at more of an advantage than any Republican because he is in the power to make chances that the country might like.

True. Active campaigning by a challenger at this stage would be crass and risky. It offers more downside than upside potential. One can carp about the President all that one wants, but if things turn out all right, the carping is easy to turn against the would-be challenger. Campaigning or not, Sarah Palin has made that mistake, and because of that she will never be President. In the meantime the President gets to establish a record of successes or failures, and even gets to show whether he can recover from errors and transitory unpopularity.  (Of course if the unpopularity sticks it is by definition not transitory and a likely sign of Presidential failure).

In 2012 the President might not be running his campaign apparatus, and he will have to let it complement his successes (almost certainly successful!) or divert attention (at which it wouldn't likely be so successful) from his failures.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on June 11, 2010, 09:05:45 PM
Maine!

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Great, now, if only NJ, WA, OR, NM, and MN would follow suit.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 11, 2010, 10:29:23 PM
NC (PPP):

46% Approve
48% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 603 North Carolinian voters from June 4th- 7th. The survey’s margin of error is +/- 4.0%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_610.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 12, 2010, 11:51:10 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 46% u

Disapprove 54% , u.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on June 12, 2010, 01:59:44 PM
"The survey’s margin of error is +/- 4.0%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify."

lol


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on June 12, 2010, 08:42:27 PM
Did you guys see him at 48% in Maine?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on June 13, 2010, 08:35:25 AM
NC (PPP):

46% Approve
48% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 603 North Carolinian voters from June 4th- 7th. The survey’s margin of error is +/- 4.0%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_610.pdf

Not bad.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 13, 2010, 12:28:11 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47% +1

Disapprove 52% , -2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 14, 2010, 09:08:19 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45% -2

Disapprove 55% , +3.


"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.



While it looks like a big drop, all movement is within the MOE.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on June 14, 2010, 11:00:49 AM
NC

MI Rasmussen
approve - 49 / disapprove 51
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/michigan/election_2010_michigan_governor



(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on June 14, 2010, 11:11:03 AM
He's at 49% in Michigan now. I have no idea how and it will always boggle me why a state that has an unemployment rate in the 20's is anywhere close to 50% approval for the sitting president. It completely confuses the hell out of me and I'm not sure I'll ever be able to understand. Yes I know there's more to life than having a good economy, but what else does Michigan have to be happy about?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on June 14, 2010, 12:56:54 PM
He's at 49% in Michigan now. I have no idea how and it will always boggle me why a state that has an unemployment rate in the 20's is anywhere close to 50% approval for the sitting president. It completely confuses the hell out of me and I'm not sure I'll ever be able to understand. Yes I know there's more to life than having a good economy, but what else does Michigan have to be happy about?

the economy of the state is also of the responsability of the governor. And her popularity is low. Obama is not responsable for the specific problem of Michigan.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 14, 2010, 01:04:40 PM
SD (Rasmussen):

40% Approve
59% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in South Dakota was conducted on June 10, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/-4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_house_of_representatives_election/south_dakota/toplines/toplines_south_dakota_house_of_representatives_election_june_10_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: sentinel on June 14, 2010, 01:38:23 PM
I want to make a prediction. Obama's approval will have a high of 53% by the end of this week.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on June 14, 2010, 01:48:42 PM
NC & SD

MI Rasmussen
approve - 49 / disapprove 51
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/michigan/election_2010_michigan_governor



(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 14, 2010, 02:08:05 PM
Update on South Dakota:

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

42 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  183
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  19
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 151
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  52
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  72
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......

Except for Texas (one of the most volatile states for polls when it is polled, and I have no reason to believe that it will be as close as the model predicts) and perhaps South Carolina (where GOP politicians are often in ethical quicksand), my model suggests that the Presidential election of 2012 will look much like that of 2008. President Obama would win Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico by far-smaller margins.

The only swing state not yet accounted for is Virginia.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on June 14, 2010, 02:45:55 PM
He's at 49% in Michigan now. I have no idea how and it will always boggle me why a state that has an unemployment rate in the 20's is anywhere close to 50% approval for the sitting president. It completely confuses the hell out of me and I'm not sure I'll ever be able to understand. Yes I know there's more to life than having a good economy, but what else does Michigan have to be happy about?

They really, really, really like their unions. It makes no sense, since unions are hurting jobs across the country right now. Right here in NJ, they are costing teachers a lot of jobs.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Edu on June 14, 2010, 03:27:26 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 42% -2

Disapprove 55% , +3.


"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.



While it looks like a big drop, all movement is within the MOE.

It's 45-55, not 42-55


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 14, 2010, 04:17:22 PM
I want to make a prediction. Obama's approval will have a high of 53% by the end of this week.

What poll?  State or national?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 14, 2010, 04:18:32 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 42% -2

Disapprove 55% , +3.


"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.



While it looks like a big drop, all movement is within the MOE.

It's 45-55, not 42-55

Thanks.  I fixed it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on June 14, 2010, 05:24:57 PM
He's at 49% in Michigan now. I have no idea how and it will always boggle me why a state that has an unemployment rate in the 20's is anywhere close to 50% approval for the sitting president. It completely confuses the hell out of me and I'm not sure I'll ever be able to understand. Yes I know there's more to life than having a good economy, but what else does Michigan have to be happy about?

the economy of the state is also of the responsability of the governor. And her popularity is low. Obama is not responsable for the specific problem of Michigan.

Yes I know but if the people weren't smart enough to not blame Bush for it then why are they smart enough not to blame Obama for it?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on June 14, 2010, 07:16:33 PM
I want to make a prediction. Obama's approval will have a high of 53% by the end of this week.

He's gonna have to pull something big out of his ass to get 8 points by the end of the week.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 15, 2010, 07:25:14 AM
South Carolina Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted June 10, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President…do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

  

    31% Strongly approve

    15% Somewhat approve

      9% Somewhat disapprove

    44% Strongly disapprove

      1% Not sure

South Carolina again  looks like the most likely swing state toward Obama in 2012.  The state is uniquely a political snake pit.

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

42 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  183
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  19
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 160
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  43
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  72
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......

Except for Texas (one of the most volatile states for polls when it is polled, and I have no reason to believe that it will be as close as the model predicts) and perhaps South Carolina (where GOP politicians are often in ethical quicksand), my model suggests that the Presidential election of 2012 will look much like that of 2008. President Obama would win Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico by far-smaller margins.

The only swing state not yet accounted for is Virginia.






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 15, 2010, 08:49:48 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45% u.

Disapprove 54% , -1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Edu on June 15, 2010, 09:33:13 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45% u.

Disapprove 55% , -1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.

It's 45-54. And it says that 41 strongly dissaprove, not 42.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 15, 2010, 01:26:00 PM
IL (PPP):

53% Approve
41% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 552 Illinois voters from June 12th- 13th. The survey’s margin of error is +/- 4.2%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_Illinois_615.pdf

LA (PPP):

37% Approve
57% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 492 Louisiana voters from June 12th- 13th. The survey’s margin of error is +/- 4.4%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_LA_615.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 15, 2010, 02:10:53 PM
South Dakota State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted June 10, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

22% Strongly approve
17% Somewhat approve
13% Somewhat disapprove
46% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure

... IL, LA  updates, too:



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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

42 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  183
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  19
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 160
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  43
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  61
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  65
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......

Except for Texas (one of the most volatile states for polls when it is polled, and I have no reason to believe that it will be as close as the model predicts) and perhaps South Carolina (where GOP politicians are often in ethical quicksand), my model suggests that the Presidential election of 2012 will look much like that of 2008. President Obama would win Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico by far-smaller margins.

The only swing state not yet accounted for is Virginia.





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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on June 15, 2010, 02:24:41 PM
IL, LA, SC, & SD

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 15, 2010, 03:34:12 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45% u.

Disapprove 55% , -1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.

Fixed it again.

It's 45-54. And it says that 41 strongly dissaprove, not 42.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: sentinel on June 15, 2010, 04:33:44 PM
I want to make a prediction. Obama's approval will have a high of 53% by the end of this week.

What poll?  State or national?

National. Lets go with Gallup.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 15, 2010, 05:45:13 PM

South Dakota State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted June 10, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

22% Strongly approve
17% Somewhat approve
13% Somewhat disapprove
46% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure

Colorado Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted June 14, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

    32% Strongly approve
    16% Somewhat approve
     11% Somewhat disapprove
    42% Strongly disapprove
       0% Not sure

Iowa Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted June 14, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

     

       28% Strongly approve

       22% Somewhat approve

       12% Somewhat disapprove

       36% Strongly disapprove

         1% Not sure

... IL, LA  updates, too:



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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

42 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  183
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  19
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 169
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  34
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  61
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  65
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......

Except for Texas (one of the most volatile states for polls when it is polled, and I have no reason to believe that it will be as close as the model predicts) and perhaps South Carolina (where GOP politicians are often in ethical quicksand), my model suggests that the Presidential election of 2012 will look much like that of 2008. President Obama would win Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico by far-smaller margins.

The only swing state not yet accounted for is Virginia.







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 16, 2010, 10:00:06 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 42% -3.

Disapprove 57% , +3.


"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, +3.

This substantial drop might be a just a bad sample.  It represent Obama's lowest Approve and highest Disapprove number as well the the greatest negative gap between Approve and Strongly Disapprove.  Both his "Strongly" numbers are maintaining the same range.

If this is a bad sample, we should see it drop out by no later than Saturday.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 16, 2010, 10:00:54 AM
The President states the obvious, and he is far more credible than BP America. (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/offshore_drilling/69_agree_with_obama_that_bp_should_pay_for_more_than_cleanup)


Wednesday, June 16, 2010
Quote

President Obama in his Oval Office address to the nation Tuesday night said BP is responsible not just for the environmental clean-up from the massive Gulf oil leak but also must “compensate the workers and business owners who have been harmed as a result of [the] company's recklessness." He is expected to repeat that message in a meeting with top BP officials today.

Sixty-nine percent (69%) of Americans agree that the oil companies involved with the Gulf leak should be required to pay back everyone who lost income because of the oil spill, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey. Just 17% disagree, and 14% more are not sure.

Americans are slightly less enthusiastic, however, about opening BP up to more lawsuit payouts. Fifty percent (50%) say Congress should change the law so BP can be sued for more money in cases related to the Gulf incident, but 36% oppose such a change in the law. Fifteen percent (15%) are undecided.

Forty-six percent (46%), in fact, say it’s at least somewhat likely that the costs of the oil spill and cleanup will force BP out of business. Forty-five percent (45%) think that’s unlikely. This includes 18% who say it’s Very Likely and nine percent (9%) who say it’s Not At All Likely.

The survey of 1,000 U.S. Adults was conducted on June 12-13, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted byPulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.

Most voters continue to support offshore oil drilling, but they are increasingly critical of how BP – and the president - are responding to the environmental crisis in the Gulf.

Fifty-one percent (51%) say they are likely to boycott BP because of the Gulf oil leak.

While the majority of adults across all demographic categories feel BP should pay for more than just the cleanup, investors are slightly less supportive of that idea than non-investors.

Democrats and adults not affiliated with either party feel more strongly than Republicans that BP should pay back everyone who lost income because of the oil spill.

Sixty-two percent (62%) of Democrats and 51% of unaffiliated adults think Congress should change the law to allow BP to be sued for more money. Fifty-one percent (51%) of Republicans oppose that change.

Most non-investors (54%) think the law should be changed to permit bigger judgments against BP. Investors, on the other hand, are almost evenly divided on the question.

Americans are closely divided across all demographic groups about BP’s chances of survivability.

Besides the obvious environmental concerns about the oil leak, most Americans also now worry about how it will impact the economy. Voters strongly believe that the oil leak in the Gulf will have a significant long-term impact on the environment, and they want the companies involved to pay for it.

Comment: The solutions for stopping the gusher are technological. The solutions for preventing the next underwater disaster are morality attached to extant technology.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: sentinel on June 16, 2010, 11:38:09 AM
I want to make a prediction. Obama's approval will have a high of 53% by the end of this week.

What poll?  State or national?

National. Lets go with Gallup.

I'd be far more interested in knowing why you think this is going to happen.

Whenever a President gives a national speech his approvals go up, generally its around 5 points. Its a soft bump, but lets wait and see if it happens.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on June 16, 2010, 12:22:12 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 42% , -3.

Disapprove 57% , +2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, +2.

Could be a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on June 16, 2010, 12:41:33 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 42% -3.

Disapprove 57% , +3.


"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, +3.

This substantial drop might be a just a bad sample.  It represent Obama's lowest Approve and highest Disapprove number as well the the greatest negative gap between Approve and Strongly Disapprove.  Both his "Strongly" numbers are maintaining the same range.

If this is a bad sample, we should see it drop out by no later than Saturday.

That speech last night may have been the nail in the coffin. People could see right through him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 16, 2010, 01:39:14 PM
I don't know what to make of this poll.  Do Republicans believe that Democrats in Congress  well represent Democratic voters (if not Republican conservatives) and Democrats believe that Republicans in Congress represent  republican voters (if also not Democrats) badly?



Quote
National Survey of 1,000 Likely Voters
Conducted June 9-10, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* Over the past several years, have Republicans in Congress done a good job of representing Republican values? Or have Republicans in Congress lost touch with Republican voters from throughout the nation?

 

18% Republicans in Congress have done a good job of representing Republican values

67% Republicans in Congress have lost touch with Republican voters from throughout the nation

15% Not sure

 

2* Over the past several years, have Democrats in Congress done a good job of representing Democratic values? Or have Democrats in Congress lost touch with Democratic voters from throughout the nation?

 

38% Democrats in Congress have done a good job of representing Democratic values

52% Democrats in Congress have lost touch with Democratic voters from throughout the nation

10% Not sure

 

NOTE: Margin of Sampling Error, +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence

Whatever, Republicans in Congress seem to have more problems with credibility.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: sentinel on June 16, 2010, 01:47:09 PM
I want to make a prediction. Obama's approval will have a high of 53% by the end of this week.

What poll?  State or national?

National. Lets go with Gallup.

I'd be far more interested in knowing why you think this is going to happen.

Whenever a President gives a national speech his approvals go up, generally its around 5 points. Its a soft bump, but lets wait and see if it happens.

Did you watch the speech?  I didn't, but apparently it was poorly received by pretty much everybody.  You don't get a boost in your approval from a speech people didn't like!

I did see it. It was alright. I'll keep my bet there though because the people on the left who felt alienated as of late might come right back home now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 16, 2010, 02:09:18 PM
I want to make a prediction. Obama's approval will have a high of 53% by the end of this week.

What poll?  State or national?

National. Lets go with Gallup.

I'd be far more interested in knowing why you think this is going to happen.

Whenever a President gives a national speech his approvals go up, generally its around 5 points. Its a soft bump, but lets wait and see if it happens.

Did you watch the speech?  I didn't, but apparently it was poorly received by pretty much everybody.  You don't get a boost in your approval from a speech people didn't like!

I did see it. It was alright. I'll keep my bet there though because the people on the left who felt alienated as of late might come right back home now.

The Left? No. the Left would like to see some oil company executives dangling before a lynch mob. Such is not the style of President Obama, and it would do more harm than good aside from being unconstitutional. Right now I am more concerned with the welfare of fishermen, shrimpers, and others who have a clear interest in the welfare of the Gulf. If he wins such people back (they seem to have voted heavily for John McCain in 2008, but for Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996) he has negated one of his political liabilities.

Not great -- but right. He may have held something back, but to his credit, President Obama did nothing inflammatory even if such would have been immediately to his political advantage. He is no fiery populist and never will be. But he did show empathy with people whom this disaster hurt. He did badly in all Gulf Coast states (except Florida) in winning votes in 2008, and he may have picked up some credibility. 

He made some promises that he can and must keep. He has also stood up to a giant corporation that treated a disaster mostly as a problem of PR instead of the ecological tragedy that it is. 



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 16, 2010, 05:14:41 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 42% -3.

Disapprove 57% , +3.


"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, +3.

This substantial drop might be a just a bad sample.  It represent Obama's lowest Approve and highest Disapprove number as well the the greatest negative gap between Approve and Strongly Disapprove.  Both his "Strongly" numbers are maintaining the same range.

If this is a bad sample, we should see it drop out by no later than Saturday.

That speech last night may have been the nail in the coffin. People could see right through him.

The speech wouldn't register until tomorrow.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 16, 2010, 05:17:23 PM


I did see it. It was alright. I'll keep my bet there though because the people on the left who felt alienated as of late might come right back home now.

I'd call it disjointed, and I though Mathews was going to hemorrhage.  Fox was nicer.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 17, 2010, 08:20:26 AM
Arkansas Survey of 500 Likely Voters (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arkansas/election_2010_arkansas_senate)
Conducted June 15, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

24% Strongly approve
14% Somewhat approve
12% Somewhat disapprove
49% Strongly disapprove
  2% Not sure

NJ update



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)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

42 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  169
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  33
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 169
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  34
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  61
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  65
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......

Except for Texas (one of the most volatile states for polls when it is polled, and I have no reason to believe that it will be as close as the model predicts) and perhaps South Carolina (where GOP politicians are often in ethical quicksand), my model suggests that the Presidential election of 2012 will look much like that of 2008. President Obama would win Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico by far-smaller margins.

The only swing state not yet accounted for is Virginia.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 17, 2010, 08:40:00 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 43% +1.

Disapprove 56% , -1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 46%, +2.

It may be a bad sample, but Obama now has a record high "Strongly Disapprove" number.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 17, 2010, 01:08:21 PM
New Jersey²:

Rasmussen: 51% Approve, 49% Disapprove

The survey of 500 Likely Voters in New Jersey was conducted on June 14, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/new_jersey/toplines/toplines_menendez_recall_june_14_2010)

Quinnipiac: 50% Approve, 46% Disapprove

From June 10 - 15, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,461 New Jersey voters, with a margin of error of +/- 2.6 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1465


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on June 17, 2010, 01:13:10 PM
SD, AR, & NJ

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 17, 2010, 01:28:04 PM
SD, AR, & NJ

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Iowa is green => Rasmussen.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on June 17, 2010, 01:40:02 PM
Your right, didint see that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on June 17, 2010, 01:43:04 PM
IA, SD, AR, & NJ

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: sentinel on June 17, 2010, 04:15:09 PM
I want to make a prediction. Obama's approval will have a high of 53% by the end of this week.

What poll?  State or national?

National. Lets go with Gallup.

I'd be far more interested in knowing why you think this is going to happen.

Whenever a President gives a national speech his approvals go up, generally its around 5 points. Its a soft bump, but lets wait and see if it happens.

Did you watch the speech?  I didn't, but apparently it was poorly received by pretty much everybody.  You don't get a boost in your approval from a speech people didn't like!

I did see it. It was alright. I'll keep my bet there though because the people on the left who felt alienated as of late might come right back home now.

I loose. It dropped to 46%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 17, 2010, 05:45:38 PM
Tennessee State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Something of a surprise in Tennessee: (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/tennessee/toplines/toplines_tennessee_governor_june_15_2010)

Conducted June 15, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

25% Strongly approve
17% Somewhat approve
10% Somewhat disapprove
47% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

43 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  169
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  33
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 169
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  45
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  61
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  65
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......

Except for Texas (one of the most volatile states for polls when it is polled, and I have no reason to believe that it will be as close as the model predicts) and perhaps South Carolina (where GOP politicians are often in ethical quicksand), my model suggests that the Presidential election of 2012 will look much like that of 2008. President Obama would win Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico by far-smaller margins.

The only swing state not yet accounted for is Virginia.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on June 17, 2010, 06:50:36 PM
Uh...shouldn't Tennessee be orange?  And do you really believe the Republicans will win in by less that 5% based on a poll with -15% approval and almost 50% strongly disapproving?  REALLY?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on June 17, 2010, 07:28:39 PM
Uh...shouldn't Tennessee be orange?  And do you really believe the Republicans will win in by less that 5% based on a poll with -15% approval and almost 50% strongly disapproving?  REALLY?
Strong disapproval in itself is no indicator of how the President will perform in a reelection campaign.  The President is not in campaign mode - he is doing as he should and responding to the Gulf crisis.  Once he brings his campaign out of mothballs, he will be nigh-unstoppable.  Should someone like Mitt Romney be the nominee, Tennessee might well be in play.  White voters may opt to vote for the devil that they know - even if he is black - rather than a venture capitalist with religious beliefs that clash with the Southern Baptist thugocracy.

The President has many ways in which to win and few ways to lose.  In 2012, he will either run on his record and lose, or run away from his record and win.

So many ifs, huh?  And what if Huckabee is the nominee, won't Tennessee then be wildly out of play?  The only ifs you take into account are if Obama is at his very peak and if the Republicans nominate the worst candidate for each state.

You were right about one thing, approval ratings have nothing to do with voting.  So stop comparing the two.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on June 17, 2010, 07:42:02 PM
TN

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on June 17, 2010, 08:16:14 PM
Approval ratings this far out have little bearing on an election that is almost thirty months away.  One of the most consistent findings, however, is that the President tends to outperform his approval ratings, sometimes by as much as ten points - the addition of five is a conservative estimate.  Right now, Rasmussen - a polling firm whose credibility is seriously in question - has the President's approval at 43%.  By adding five, we get a nearly even approval of 49%.  Against a generic Republican candidate, President Obama would face a tough reelection.  But none of his potential opponents are generic.  They are, rather, disciples of the reactionary movement that wants to puts plutocrats and yes, oil tycoons back into power, who will fight tooth and nail against any financial reform.  So long as the specter of George W. Bush haunts the Republican Party, they have no hope of any electoral success for many years - perhaps decades, should demographic trends increasingly favor the Democratic Party and should President Obama produce any legislative success.  So far, I see an above average President with average approval ratings, weighed down by an economy that was crushed under the weight of George W. Bush and his minions.  It will take a long time to get back to where we used to be.  When our economy is on even footing again, President Obama's approval ratings are sure to spike.  When that happens, you can stick a fork in any Republican candidates - generic or no.

Based on what?  The last time Obama ran for reelection?  Bush was at the mid-50s at reelection, he didn't win in the mid-60s.  But you know, Republicans don't see boosts only Democrats do.  Add 5% for Democrats being polled, subtract 5% for Republicans, right?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl on June 17, 2010, 08:31:03 PM
Approval ratings this far out have little bearing on an election that is almost thirty months away.  One of the most consistent findings, however, is that the President tends to outperform his approval ratings, sometimes by as much as ten points - the addition of five is a conservative estimate.  Right now, Rasmussen - a polling firm whose credibility is seriously in question - has the President's approval at 43%.  By adding five, we get a nearly even approval of 49%.  Against a generic Republican candidate, President Obama would face a tough reelection.  But none of his potential opponents are generic.  They are, rather, disciples of the reactionary movement that wants to puts plutocrats and yes, oil tycoons back into power, who will fight tooth and nail against any financial reform.  So long as the specter of George W. Bush haunts the Republican Party, they have no hope of any electoral success for many years - perhaps decades, should demographic trends increasingly favor the Democratic Party and should President Obama produce any legislative success.  So far, I see an above average President with average approval ratings, weighed down by an economy that was crushed under the weight of George W. Bush and his minions.  It will take a long time to get back to where we used to be.  When our economy is on even footing again, President Obama's approval ratings are sure to spike.  When that happens, you can stick a fork in any Republican candidates - generic or no.

Based on what?  The last time Obama ran for reelection?  Bush was at the mid-50s at reelection, he didn't win in the mid-60s.  But you know, Republicans don't see boosts only Democrats do.  Add 5% for Democrats being polled, subtract 5% for Republicans, right?

Heh, you fell for Van der Blub. Not that his troll views are much different than pbrower's real views...:P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on June 17, 2010, 08:40:16 PM
Heh, you fell for Van der Blub. Not that his troll views are much different than pbrower's real views...:P

LOL I literally had NO idea the entire time.  I should have though, pbrower never actually responds.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 17, 2010, 09:01:25 PM
I don't know what to make of this poll.  Do Republicans believe that Democrats in Congress  well represent Democratic voters (if not Republican conservatives) and Democrats believe that Republicans in Congress represent  republican voters (if also not Democrats) badly?



Quote
National Survey of 1,000 Likely Voters
Conducted June 9-10, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* Over the past several years, have Republicans in Congress done a good job of representing Republican values? Or have Republicans in Congress lost touch with Republican voters from throughout the nation?

 

18% Republicans in Congress have done a good job of representing Republican values

67% Republicans in Congress have lost touch with Republican voters from throughout the nation

15% Not sure

 

2* Over the past several years, have Democrats in Congress done a good job of representing Democratic values? Or have Democrats in Congress lost touch with Democratic voters from throughout the nation?

 

38% Democrats in Congress have done a good job of representing Democratic values

52% Democrats in Congress have lost touch with Democratic voters from throughout the nation

10% Not sure

 

NOTE: Margin of Sampling Error, +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence

Whatever, Republicans in Congress seem to have more problems with credibility.

ROTFLOL!!!

I can explain that with relative ease.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 17, 2010, 09:35:31 PM

Based on what?  The last time Obama ran for reelection?  Bush was at the mid-50s at reelection, he didn't win in the mid-60s.  But you know, Republicans don't see boosts only Democrats do.  Add 5% for Democrats being polled, subtract 5% for Republicans, right?

First of all, prbower2a is Vanderblubb, who has frequently parodied me.  Vanderblubb is a gadfly to be ignored. I do not endorse his mock-extremist rhetoric.

Second, I have set my own rules for my set of maps. I base my prediction of how a politician will do if running a re-election campaign based on the observation by Nate Silver at the reputable www.fivethirtyeight.com -- that incumbents ordinarily gain about 6% support (interpreted as "vote shares")  in the last few months of a campaign. An incumbent with an approval rating of 44% in a gubernatorial or senatorial race a few months before the election has about a 50% chance of winning. Silver suggests that 44% is also the borderline for a 50% chance of winning the Presidential election nationwide. But I am going on a state-by-state basis, and I assume that winning a state is much like winning by a governor or Senator who has a statewide election.

Third, this is MY model, and I have the prerogative to do with it what I want.  If anything I mute the effect for states in which the President is above 46% (in which he is less likely to see a need to campaign in a state) or below 40% (in which he has no real chance of winning) in an approval rating. The 2008 election showed Barack Obama cutting down on his efforts to win a state when he was down by more than 10% (effort would be futile) or by more than 10% (in which case such effort would be wasteful of resources better used elsewhere).  I expect much the same in 2012 if the election is at least as close as the election of 2008 -- either way.

That is the only way in which President Obama could have won by such large margins as he did in some states and lose so badly in others and win most of the close states.  

Fourth, I have found myself judging few polls. Whatever bias Rasmussen has, his polls seem consistent enough. For some states, polls can jump wildly (look at South Dakota) -- polling is not a perfect science. So who are you to claim that this poll of Tennessee isn't valid?  The state hasn't been polled since February, so what would I know? What do you know?

Fifth, I have stated that I consider the Tennessee poll a surprise, especially in view of the poor and even execrable approval ratings for the President in Arkansas and Kentucky, states that I would consider likely to be most like Tennessee in voting in 2008.  If Rasmussen shows Obama with a 38% approval rating then Tennessee goes orange or even brown on my approval map and deep blue on my prediction map. Sure, Rasmussen might have a bad sample -- one that perhaps has too many people from Greater Memphis. Such can happen, at least in theory.

Sixth, although most of us can reasonably predict who the Democratic nominee for President will be in 2012 (even that involves some assumptions) we have little idea who the Republican nominee will be that year. Without question, Mike Huckabee would do far better against Obama in Tennessee than would, let's say, Rudy Giuliani. No fooling!  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on June 17, 2010, 09:55:20 PM

Based on what?  The last time Obama ran for reelection?  Bush was at the mid-50s at reelection, he didn't win in the mid-60s.  But you know, Republicans don't see boosts only Democrats do.  Add 5% for Democrats being polled, subtract 5% for Republicans, right?

First of all, prbower2a is Vanderblubb, who has frequently parodied me.  Vanderblubb is a gadfly to be ignored. I do not endorse his mock-extremist rhetoric.

Second, I have set my own rules for my set of maps. I base my prediction of how a politician will do if running a re-election campaign based on the observation by Nate Silver at the reputable www.fivethirtyeight.com -- that incumbents ordinarily gain about 6% support (interpreted as "vote shares")  in the last few months of a campaign. An incumbent with an approval rating of 44% in a gubernatorial or senatorial race a few months before the election has about a 50% chance of winning. Silver suggests that 44% is also the borderline for a 50% chance of winning the Presidential election nationwide. But I am going on a state-by-state basis, and I assume that winning a state is much like winning by a governor or Senator who has a statewide election.

Third, this is MY model, and I have the prerogative to do with it what I want.  If anything I mute the effect for states in which the President is above 46% (in which he is less likely to see a need to campaign in a state) or below 40% (in which he has no real chance of winning) in an approval rating. The 2008 election showed Barack Obama cutting down on his efforts to win a state when he was down by more than 10% (effort would be futile) or by more than 10% (in which case such effort would be wasteful of resources better used elsewhere).  I expect much the same in 2012 if the election is at least as close as the election of 2008 -- either way.

That is the only way in which President Obama could have won by such large margins as he did in some states and lose so badly in others and win most of the close states.  

Fourth, I have found myself judging few polls. Whatever bias Rasmussen has, his polls seem consistent enough. For some states, polls can jump wildly (look at South Dakota) -- polling is not a perfect science. So who are you to claim that this poll of Tennessee isn't valid?  The state hasn't been polled since February, so what would I know? What do you know?

Fifth, I have stated that I consider the Tennessee poll a surprise, especially in view of the poor and even execrable approval ratings for the President in Arkansas and Kentucky, states that I would consider likely to be most like Tennessee in voting in 2008.  If Rasmussen shows Obama with a 38% approval rating then Tennessee goes orange or even brown on my approval map and deep blue on my prediction map. Sure, Rasmussen might have a bad sample -- one that perhaps has too many people from Greater Memphis. Such can happen, at least in theory.

Sixth, although most of us can reasonably predict who the Democratic nominee for President will be in 2012 (even that involves some assumptions) we have little idea who the Republican nominee will be that year. Without question, Mike Huckabee would do far better against Obama in Tennessee than would, let's say, Rudy Giuliani. No fooling!  

Keep dreaming. Bush could have very easily been voted out of office with a 53% approval rating the night he was reelected. Don't forget that Obama can win the popular vote and still win the election.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 18, 2010, 08:47:14 AM

Arkansas Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted June 15, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

24% Strongly approve
14% Somewhat approve
12% Somewhat disapprove
49% Strongly disapprove
  2% Not sure

As Tennessee goes, Arkansas usually goes, too.  Not this time!

TEXAS

Texas Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted June 16, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

      

28% Strongly approve

12% Somewhat approve

  9% Somewhat disapprove

51% Strongly disapprove

  0% Not sure

(note that a small change in the approval rating makes a big difference at that level. I have suggested that Obama would likely to do better in Texas in 2012 -- if not win it - than in 2012... but this poll says that the improvement would not be enough to swing the giant state).

(
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

43 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  169
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  33
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 169
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  39
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  98
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  65
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......



The only swing state not yet accounted for is Virginia.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on June 18, 2010, 10:15:05 AM

Arkansas Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted June 15, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

24% Strongly approve
14% Somewhat approve
12% Somewhat disapprove
49% Strongly disapprove
  2% Not sure

As Tennessee goes, Arkansas usually goes, too.  Not this time!

The polls are virtually identical where it counts:

In Tennessee, 25% strongly approve. Compare that with 24% here.
In Tennessee, 47% strongly disapprove. Compare that with 49% here.

Those are the most important numbers. Surely, you must agree that people who strongly disapprove of the president are almost guaranteed to vote against him, and that people who strongly approve are almost guaranteed to vote for him. It's the "somewhats" who are fluid enough to tip the balance.

Even if you go down to the somewhat approve/disapprove numbers, you're 14 vs. 17 and 12 vs. 10. A little better for the President, but Tennessee was a little better for the President in 2008. He lost TN by 15%; Arkansas by 20%.

If anything, the poll is shockingly... unshocking!

TEXAS

Texas Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted June 16, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

      

28% Strongly approve

12% Somewhat approve

  9% Somewhat disapprove

51% Strongly disapprove

  0% Not sure

(note that a small change in the approval rating makes a big difference at that level. I have suggested that Obama would likely to do better in Texas in 2012 -- if not win it - than in 2012... but this poll says that the improvement would not be enough to swing the giant state).

Obama is strongly disapproved of by more than half of the state. I mean, Jesus, that's worse than how he's viewed in Arkansas!

Obama's numbers in Texas suggest a loss there of epic proportions. It amuses me to no end that you reminded everybody that you think (or perhaps thought) that Obama can win it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 18, 2010, 01:16:52 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 41% -2.

Disapprove 58% , +2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 46%, u.

First, this might be a bad sample.

Second, this is the lowest Approve and highest Disapprove numbers Obama has ever had.  This is also the first time that his Strongly Disapprove have been ahead of Approve for three days running.  If it is there tomorrow, Obama will be showing a major decline.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on June 18, 2010, 01:33:18 PM
Did you guys see him at only 54% in New York. He would lose California with that kind of approval rating trend.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 18, 2010, 01:52:11 PM
Obama is also at 45% Approve, 46% Disapprove on Gallup.

I doubt that he'll have an eight point jump by tomorrow.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 18, 2010, 01:58:59 PM
In CNN's new poll, Obama is at 50-48 approve.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/06/17/rel9a.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 18, 2010, 02:09:49 PM
New York State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted June 16, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

31% Strongly approve
23% Somewhat approve
11% Somewhat disapprove
33% Strongly disapprove
  2% Not sure

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

43 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  169
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  33
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 169
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  39
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  98
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  65
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......



The only swing state not yet accounted for is Virginia.



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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on June 18, 2010, 02:13:56 PM
AR, TX, & NY

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 18, 2010, 02:20:12 PM
AR, TX, & NY

(
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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Maine needs to be a "6" on your map I think ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on June 18, 2010, 02:43:09 PM
AR, TX, & NY

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Maine needs to be a "6" on your map I think ...
I keep on trying t type in 6 but every time it just shows up as 4


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 19, 2010, 09:10:04 AM
Rasmussen (June 19):

42% Approve (+1)
57% Disapprove (-1)

25% Strongly Approve (nc)
45% Strongly Disapprove (-1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 19, 2010, 09:43:29 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 42% +1.

Disapprove 57% , +1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, -1.

(for formatting)

This is not a bad sample and represents a very significant decline in Obama's numbers.  His Approve numbers are now consistently running below his Strongly Disapprove numbers. 

This could be the beginning of a summer slide like last year.

The only "good" news for Obama is that his Strongly Approve numbers are slightly above the record lows.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on June 19, 2010, 09:52:22 AM
This is very very bad.  He needs to pull something big off soon in order to recover and still have a chance at keeping control.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 19, 2010, 10:08:35 AM
Right now, on Gallup's monthly Obama has the highest disapproval numbers of any president since Carter at this point in his presidency, except for Reagan.  The difference is Reagan's approval numbers were lower than Obama's, but there more "no opinion" people.  In Obama's case, there is very hostile anti-Obama element to the population, and it is growing. 

Where people are making up their minds about Obama, they are deciding against him and there is also a shift from approve to disapprove.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on June 19, 2010, 04:28:07 PM
They'll be chasing this guy out of town with pitchforks before all is said and done.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on June 19, 2010, 06:07:27 PM
omg the end is clearly near


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on June 19, 2010, 06:30:05 PM
America isn't liking Obama as well as they used to. Fine.

They still prefer him to Palin-Romney-Huckabee-Gingrich-Johnson-Paul etcetc.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 19, 2010, 06:50:24 PM
America isn't liking Obama as well as they used to. Fine.

They still prefer him to Palin-Romney-Huckabee-Gingrich-Johnson-Paul etcetc.

I wouldn't be too sure about that.  It can become ABO situation, anybody but Obama.  That is why the strongly disapprove number is important.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on June 19, 2010, 09:12:48 PM

Not until the economy collapses again.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 20, 2010, 07:14:41 AM
Rasmussen (June 20):

43% Approve (+1)
57% Disapprove (nc)

28% Strongly Approve (+3)
44% Strongly Disapprove (-1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on June 20, 2010, 08:30:43 AM
Rasmussen (June 20):

43% Approve (+1)
57% Disapprove (nc)

28% Strongly Approve (+3)
44% Strongly Disapprove (-1)

Obama SURGEEEEEEEEEEEEE!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 20, 2010, 10:03:09 AM
Rasmussen (June 20):

43% Approve (+1)
57% Disapprove (nc)

28% Strongly Approve (+3)
44% Strongly Disapprove (-1)

Obama SURGEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Actually, it marks the fifth day in a row where Strongly Disapproved is higher than Approve.

The "surge" to 28% might be a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 20, 2010, 12:58:59 PM
Rasmussen (June 20):

43% Approve (+1)
57% Disapprove (nc)

28% Strongly Approve (+3)
44% Strongly Disapprove (-1)

Obama SURGEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

There`s also a surge @ Gallup today:

48% Approve (+3)
45% Disapprove (-1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zacoftheaxes on June 20, 2010, 01:22:52 PM
It seems whenever the CEO of BP makes himself look like more of an a-hole, Obama gets a break.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on June 20, 2010, 01:56:41 PM
It seems whenever the CEO of BP makes himself look like more of an a-hole, Obama gets a break.

Well yeah, people aren't stupid. Even though people know his address was awful, they know this isn't all the president's fault.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on June 20, 2010, 08:39:49 PM
AR, TX, & NY

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Maine needs to be a "6" on your map I think ...
I keep on trying t type in 6 but every time it just shows up as 4

Try using a map from before Nebraska and Maine split their EVs... I think you have to go back to the 1960s, but for maps from back there, you can change the number for Nebraska and Maine.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 20, 2010, 09:40:21 PM
It seems whenever the CEO of BP makes himself look like more of an a-hole, Obama gets a break.

President Obama got burned by trusting the first statements of BP executives, but not as badly as BP executives burned themselves.

Expect Congressional hearings.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 21, 2010, 08:29:58 AM
As if anyone thinks that the election of 2012 will hinge upon North Dakota:

   North Dakota State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted June 15-16, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

    21% Strongly approve
    20% Somewhat approve
    11% Somewhat disapprove
    47% Strongly disapprove
      1% Not sure

or Oregon:

Oregon Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted June 17, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

       32% Strongly approve
       17% Somewhat approve
         9% Somewhat disapprove
       39% Strongly disapprove
         3% Not sure

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

43 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  169
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  33
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 169
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  39
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  98
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  65
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......



The only swing state not yet accounted for is Virginia.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 21, 2010, 09:08:13 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45% +2.

Disapprove 55% , -2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, u.

This is the first time in six days that Approve is higher than Strongly Disapprove.

Obama's Strongly Approve numbers has been increasing over the past two day, but it might be a bad sample; if so, they should drop on Wednesday.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 21, 2010, 10:45:46 AM
AR, TX, & NY

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Maine needs to be a "6" on your map I think ...
I keep on trying t type in 6 but every time it just shows up as 4

Try using a map from before Nebraska and Maine split their EVs... I think you have to go back to the 1960s, but for maps from back there, you can change the number for Nebraska and Maine.

Try using the 2008 map in which Maine and Nebraska are separated by district. The vote within electoral districts may be much the same in Maine -- but not Nebraska. Maine is not going to give any electoral vote to any Republican nominee except in an electoral blowout, in which case the whole state would almost certainly go Republican.

NE-01, consisting of eastern Nebraska except for Greater Omaha, voted much like Texas in 2008 (firm McCain victory).

NE-02, most of Greater Omaha, voted like Indiana in 2008 (bare Obama victory).

The state as a whole votes much like Kansas, which would vote for a Democratic nominee only if the Republican is a stark raving lunatic or a sexual offender.

NE-03, central and western Nebraska, is one of the most conservative districts in the US, and it voted like Wyoming (one of the strongest McCain victories). NE-03 goes for Obama in 2012 only in a 538-EV victory for him.  You saw that right.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on June 21, 2010, 12:02:05 PM
As if anyone thinks that the election of 2012 will hinge upon North Dakota:

   North Dakota State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted June 15-16, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

    21% Strongly approve
    20% Somewhat approve
    11% Somewhat disapprove
    47% Strongly disapprove
      1% Not sure

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

43 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  169
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  33
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 169
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  39
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  98
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  65
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......



The only swing state not yet accounted for is Virginia.





44% approval will get you 44% of the vote. Independents and swing voters don't vote for someone they don't approve of. 49% is dependent upon the voter turnout. Any lower than 40% and you're looking at the president doing better because people in his party will still vote for him. Bush was almost voted out of office at 53%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on June 21, 2010, 02:23:37 PM
I really think all he has to do is stay above 45-46%.  His approvals are going to go up when he starts campaigning for reelection.  He's a very savvy politican and he's good representing himself on the campaign trail. 

His image is being defined by the media and talking points right now.  Example: "Oh noes!  Is BP Obama's Katrina?"..... I could go on for days about how stupid that statement is but unfortunately many Americans are stupid enough to take it seriously.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on June 21, 2010, 06:33:06 PM
I really think all he has to do is stay above 45-46%.  His approvals are going to go up when he starts campaigning for reelection.  He's a very savvy politician and he's good representing himself on the campaign trail. 

I disagree, i don't think Obama's campaigning will boost his numbers much, if at all.  As the incumbent president, he has to run on his record/deliverables rather than his promises, which judging by his rather lackluster Oil leak speech, is not his strong suit.  "Hope and Change" doesn't work so well as a campaigning platform when you've been running things for the last 4 years.  To put it another way, if a president with supposedly the best message system ever can't convince a majority of the population that his policies are good now, what makes you think he'll be able to do it in a year and a half?

Also, i find it odd that so many people here think that Obama hasn't started seriously campaigning yet.  He's made more than one speech/public appearance a day by my last count, and it's becoming more and more appropriate to refer to his administration as "The Permanent Campaign."  What do you think Obama would do differently from what he's already doing that would make his numbers go up and why isn't he doing that now?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 21, 2010, 07:05:54 PM
I really think all he has to do is stay above 45-46%.  His approvals are going to go up when he starts campaigning for reelection.  He's a very savvy politician and he's good representing himself on the campaign trail. 

I disagree, i don't think Obama's campaigning will boost his numbers much, if at all.  As the incumbent president, he has to run on his record/deliverables rather than his promises, which judging by his rather lackluster Oil leak speech, is not his strong suit.  "Hope and Change" doesn't work so well as a campaigning platform when you've been running things for the last 4 years.  To put it another way, if a president with supposedly the best message system ever can't convince a majority of the population that his policies are good now, what makes you think he'll be able to do it in a year and a half?

One speech almost never makes or breaks a Presidency unless it is so blatant as Richard M. Nixon 's preposterous "Your President is not a crook"...which is about whrn I decided that he was a crook. President Obama has plenty of time in which to recover from a weak speech. Conditions practically tied his... tongue.

Quote
Also, i find it odd that so many people here think that Obama hasn't started seriously campaigning yet.  He's made more than one speech/public appearance a day by my last count, and it's becoming more and more appropriate to refer to his administration as "The Permanent Campaign."  What do you think Obama would do differently from what he's already doing that would make his numbers go up and why isn't he doing that now?

So define this Presidency if you so wish. If you call a tiger's tail a leg, then how many legs does a tiger have?

Four, Just because you call a tail a leg doesn't make it so.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on June 21, 2010, 07:49:07 PM
I really think all he has to do is stay above 45-46%.  His approvals are going to go up when he starts campaigning for reelection.  He's a very savvy politician and he's good representing himself on the campaign trail. 

I disagree, i don't think Obama's campaigning will boost his numbers much, if at all.  As the incumbent president, he has to run on his record/deliverables rather than his promises, which judging by his rather lackluster Oil leak speech, is not his strong suit.  "Hope and Change" doesn't work so well as a campaigning platform when you've been running things for the last 4 years.  To put it another way, if a president with supposedly the best message system ever can't convince a majority of the population that his policies are good now, what makes you think he'll be able to do it in a year and a half?

Also, i find it odd that so many people here think that Obama hasn't started seriously campaigning yet.  He's made more than one speech/public appearance a day by my last count, and it's becoming more and more appropriate to refer to his administration as "The Permanent Campaign."  What do you think Obama would do differently from what he's already doing that would make his numbers go up and why isn't he doing that now?

If anything his campaigning would backfire and give the GOP red meat to blast Obama with.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on June 21, 2010, 09:08:13 PM
One speech almost never makes or breaks a Presidency unless it is so blatant as Richard M. Nixon 's preposterous "Your President is not a crook"...which is about whrn I decided that he was a crook. President Obama has plenty of time in which to recover from a weak speech. Conditions practically tied his... tongue.

So define this Presidency if you so wish. If you call a tiger's tail a leg, then how many legs does a tiger have?

Four, Just because you call a tail a leg doesn't make it so.

1.  I wasn't suggesting that this one speech would break his presidency, but that his mediocre performance in it suggests his famed oratorical skills might not carry into more concrete topics.

2.  What I mean is that the president doesn't exactly have much room to expand on the campaign front.  He's already been doing it quite a bit, and certainly more than his predecessors.  I just don't think that there's going to be much change between how he acts now and how he acts in late October 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 21, 2010, 09:55:03 PM
One speech almost never makes or breaks a Presidency unless it is so blatant as Richard M. Nixon 's preposterous "Your President is not a crook"...which is about whrn I decided that he was a crook. President Obama has plenty of time in which to recover from a weak speech. Conditions practically tied his... tongue.

So define this Presidency if you so wish. If you call a tiger's tail a leg, then how many legs does a tiger have?

Four, Just because you call a tail a leg doesn't make it so.

1.  I wasn't suggesting that this one speech would break his presidency, but that his mediocre performance in it suggests his famed oratorical skills might not carry into more concrete topics.


President Obama knows little about oil and oil drilling. He is not a trained engineer, and he can discuss political manifestations of the disaster. Some of the political attention may eventually go toward the government agencies that ostensibly regulate offshore oil drilling. If something was slipshod or corrupt in relationships between regulators and the regulated, then things could get interesting for the rest of us and unpleasant for those intimately involved.   


Quote
2.  What I mean is that the president doesn't exactly have much room to expand on the campaign front.  He's already been doing it quite a bit, and certainly more than his predecessors.  I just don't think that there's going to be much change between how he acts now and how he acts in late October 2012.

But his appearances in the Gulf area seem to offer practically no potential for political gain. In 2008 he lost Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama in landslide. If he were playing politics he would be in Florida which was a battleground state in 2008 and figures critical in 2012 in anything but a landslide.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on June 21, 2010, 11:21:44 PM
Out of all honesty, I think it's time we've had an engineer for president.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 21, 2010, 11:28:41 PM
Out of all honesty, I think it's time we've had an engineer for president.

We had Herbert Hoover and Jimmy Carter. Both were good people, but poor Presidents, and one-term for good reason.

Law is for intellectual generalists; engineering is for intellectual specialists.  Generalists are almost always better managers.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on June 21, 2010, 11:31:04 PM
Out of all honesty, I think it's time we've had an engineer for president.

We had Herbert Hoover and Jimmy Carter. Both were good people, but poor Presidents, and one-term for good reason.

Law is for intellectual generalists; engineering is for intellectual specialists.  Generalists are almost always better managers.   

Well true, but both were put into situations where it was near impossible to win their elections.  Hoover, I can say wasn't directly responsible for his predicament.  Carter on the other hand....well, I just wish he had more balls....


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 22, 2010, 08:51:00 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 46% +1.

Disapprove 53% , -2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -2.

Either Obama has bounced back somewhat from last weeks lows or it's a very good Obama sample that will drop out tomorrow.






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ameriplan on June 22, 2010, 09:07:07 AM
46% approval. All I can say is EPIC PWNED, BEYITCH.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 22, 2010, 12:58:02 PM
WI (Rasmussen):

49% Approve
51% Disapprove

The survey of 500 Likely Voters in Wisconsin was conducted on June 21, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/wisconsin/toplines/toplines_wisconsin_senate_june_21_2010)

PA (PPP):

43% Approve
50% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 609 Pennsylvania voters from June 19th to 21st. The survey’s margin of error is +/-4.0%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_PA_622.pdf

NY (Quinnipiac):

55% Approve
39% Disapprove

From June 15 - 20, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,592 New York State registered voters, with a margin of error of +/- 2.5 percentage points. The survey includes 485 Republicans with a margin of error of +/- 4.5 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1468


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 22, 2010, 01:17:46 PM
I can't recall what the average for PA would come out. Good news for Democrats: Joe Sestak has caught up with Pat Toomey in the Senate race.

Rasmussen concurs with PPP on Wisconsin.

Wisconsin State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted June 21, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

29% Strongly approve
20% Somewhat approve
  9% Somewhat disapprove
42% Strongly disapprove
  0% Not sure

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

43 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  169
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  33
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 149
white                        too close to call  20
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  39
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  98
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  65
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......



The only swing state not yet accounted for is Virginia.






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on June 22, 2010, 05:33:21 PM
Surprising that Obama's numbers have been pretty stable still.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 23, 2010, 01:03:07 AM
Virginia (Public Opinion Strategies (R) - Internal for Gov. Bob McDonnell):

47% Approve
50% Disapprove

Gov. McDonnell (R):

63% Approve
30% Disapprove

600 Likely Voters, June 13-15, MoE=4%

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2010/jun/23/MCDO23-ar-229089/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 23, 2010, 08:38:18 AM
Rasmussen (June 23):

48% Approve (+2)
51% Disapprove (-2)

28% Strongly Approve (-1)
41% Strongly Disapprove (-1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 23, 2010, 08:42:33 AM
MA (Rasmussen):

56% Approve
43% Disapprove

The survey of 500 Likely Voters in Massachusetts was conducted on June 21, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/massachusetts/toplines/toplines_massachusetts_governor_june_21_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 23, 2010, 08:50:09 AM
Rasmussen (June 23):

48% Approve (+2)
51% Disapprove (-2)

28% Strongly Approve (-1)
41% Strongly Disapprove (-1)

Three of the numbers are still within the MOE range from last week.  No great collapse, but longer term possibly a slight decline.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 23, 2010, 11:24:11 AM

Even if it is an internal poll (thus the letter S) it seems about right in view of other states. This is the first Virginia poll in a long time and I will accept it provisionally due to the absence of alternatives. It seems reasonable.


Massachusetts update, too:

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

43 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  169
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  33
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 163
white                        too close to call  20
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  39
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  98
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  65
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......










Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 23, 2010, 11:30:13 AM
Rasmussen (June 23):

48% Approve (+2)
51% Disapprove (-2)

28% Strongly Approve (-1)
41% Strongly Disapprove (-1)

Three of the numbers are still within the MOE range from last week.  No great collapse, but longer term possibly a slight decline.

Only a fool predicts the polls for the next week. More significantly, this poll suggests that if things were as they are now when President Obama starts campaigning in earnest, then he wins about as he did in 2008 -- barring some catastrophic failure that no poll can predict.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 23, 2010, 05:21:33 PM
Vermont at last!

(I would rather have seen Montana or West Virginia)

Vermont Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted June 17, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

   

    40% Strongly approve

    22% Somewhat approve

    11% Somewhat disapprove

    26% Strongly disapprove

      1% Not sure

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

43 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  172
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  33
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 163
white                        too close to call  20
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  39
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  98
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  65
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......










Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on June 23, 2010, 07:34:15 PM
OR, ND, NY, PA, MA, VA, VT, & WI

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 24, 2010, 08:40:57 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% u.

Disapprove 51% , u.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -1.

No great uptick.  No great slump. 

Arguably, there has been erosion for Obama from April/May, but not huge.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 24, 2010, 01:08:49 PM
North Carolina (Rasmussen):

42% Approve
57% Disapprove

This state survey of 500 Likely Voters in North Carolina was conducted on June 23, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/north_carolina/toplines/toplines_north_carolina_senate_june_22_2010)

Nevada (Rasmussen):

48% Approve
52% Disapprove

The survey of 500 Likely Voters in Nevada was conducted on June 22, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/nevada/toplines/toplines_2010_nevada_senate_june_22_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 24, 2010, 01:14:44 PM
New Mexico (Magellan Strategies):

45% Approve
48% Disapprove

Magellan Data and Mapping Strategies are pleased to present the topline results of a 542N autodial survey of likely general election voters in the state of New Mexico. The interviews were conducted June 21st, 2010. This survey has a margin of error of +/‐ 4.21% at the 95 percent confidence interval. This survey was weighted based upon voter turnout demographics from the 2008, 2006, 2004 and 2002 election cycles.

http://www.magellanstrategies.com/web/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Magellan-New-Mexico-Governor-Survey-Release-062310.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on June 24, 2010, 01:32:23 PM
NC, NM, & NV

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 24, 2010, 01:38:49 PM
Even though Magellan is a Republican pollster, they are really good.

They predicted both CA GOP primaries almost entirely correctly as well as the KY Primary.
 
But we have to see if they are also that good when it comes to General Elections.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 25, 2010, 08:44:24 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45% -3.

Disapprove 53% , +2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.

No great uptick.  No great slump.  Arguable a modest decline from April/May.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 25, 2010, 10:38:47 AM
Washington State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted June 22, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

       29% Strongly approve
       22% Somewhat approve
         9% Somewhat disapprove
       39% Strongly disapprove
         1% Not sure
(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

45 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 148
white                        too close to call  20
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  54
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  98
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  65
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on June 25, 2010, 10:41:36 AM
Those democrats are doing so badly. Obama is down to 45% nationally and even as low as 51% in Washington. Patty Murray is in trouble and now tied with Dino Rossi at 47%. Haven't those 2 run against each other before?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 25, 2010, 12:43:35 PM
Texas (PPP):

40% Approve
54% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 500 Texas voters from June 19th- 20th. The survey’s margin of error is +/- 4.4%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Releaae_TX_625.pdf

Utah (Rasmussen):

33% Approve
63% Disapprove

The survey of 500 Likely Voters in Utah was conducted on June 23, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/-4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/utah/toplines/toplines_utah_senate_june_23_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on June 25, 2010, 02:04:35 PM
WA, UT, & TX

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 25, 2010, 02:21:27 PM

Washington State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted June 22, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

       29% Strongly approve
       22% Somewhat approve
         9% Somewhat disapprove
       39% Strongly disapprove
         1% Not sure

Utah update, Texas no meaningful change:


(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60% or higher disapproval)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

45 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 148
white                        too close to call  20
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  54
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  98
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  65
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 26, 2010, 10:03:50 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45% u.

Disapprove 54% , +1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 26, 2010, 05:44:22 PM
Wyoming:
1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

19% Strongly approve
11% Somewhat approve
13% Somewhat disapprove
57% Strongly disapprove
  0% Not sure

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/wyoming/election_2010_wyoming_governor


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 26, 2010, 06:02:24 PM
Least-likely votes for Obama in 2012:

NE-03
WY
UT
ID

70% disapproval in Wyoming.  Such invites its own category.


(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

45 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 148
white                        too close to call  20
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  54
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  98
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  65
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 27, 2010, 03:10:05 AM
SUSA sez Obama`s under water evrywhere, even in fkin California !. Takea look:

California: 46-49
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c717d146-99e7-4de8-8217-9fb792fc2fb8

Kansas: 34-61
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c9cb9d95-0451-467c-8613-efb0bf5d4a7e

Oregon: 42-53
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=87dabdb7-5435-402e-891e-11b3bf475127

Washinbgton: 45-53
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c34262fe-7152-4e56-be8d-dd7e32b0f6dd


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on June 27, 2010, 03:26:18 AM
Wow. Things aren't looking good for Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on June 27, 2010, 03:39:52 AM
SUSA sez Obama`s under water evrywhere, even in fkin California !. Takea look:

California: 46-49
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c717d146-99e7-4de8-8217-9fb792fc2fb8

Kansas: 34-61
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c9cb9d95-0451-467c-8613-efb0bf5d4a7e

Oregon: 42-53
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=87dabdb7-5435-402e-891e-11b3bf475127

Washinbgton: 45-53
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c34262fe-7152-4e56-be8d-dd7e32b0f6dd

These numbers cant possibly be right.  No way Obama is as popular as he is nationwide in California.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on June 27, 2010, 03:46:32 AM
SUSA sez Obama`s under water evrywhere, even in fkin California !. Takea look:

California: 46-49
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c717d146-99e7-4de8-8217-9fb792fc2fb8

Kansas: 34-61
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c9cb9d95-0451-467c-8613-efb0bf5d4a7e

Oregon: 42-53
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=87dabdb7-5435-402e-891e-11b3bf475127

Washinbgton: 45-53
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c34262fe-7152-4e56-be8d-dd7e32b0f6dd

These numbers cant possibly be right.  No way Obama is as popular as he is nationwide in California.

SUSA didn't do a national poll AFAIK. Perhaps according to them Obama is the upper 30's nationwide.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on June 27, 2010, 07:51:27 AM
SUSA sez Obama`s under water evrywhere, even in fkin California !. Takea look:

California: 46-49
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c717d146-99e7-4de8-8217-9fb792fc2fb8

Kansas: 34-61
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c9cb9d95-0451-467c-8613-efb0bf5d4a7e

Oregon: 42-53
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=87dabdb7-5435-402e-891e-11b3bf475127

Washinbgton: 45-53
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c34262fe-7152-4e56-be8d-dd7e32b0f6dd

These numbers cant possibly be right.  No way Obama is as popular as he is nationwide in California.

SUSA didn't do a national poll AFAIK. Perhaps according to them Obama is the upper 30's nationwide.

Oh wow, I don't think them numbers are right.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 27, 2010, 08:52:23 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45% u.

Disapprove 54% , u.


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -1.

All numbers are within the new normal.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 27, 2010, 09:10:24 AM
SUSA sez Obama`s under water evrywhere, even in fkin California !. Takea look:

California: 46-49
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c717d146-99e7-4de8-8217-9fb792fc2fb8

Kansas: 34-61
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c9cb9d95-0451-467c-8613-efb0bf5d4a7e

Oregon: 42-53
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=87dabdb7-5435-402e-891e-11b3bf475127

Washington: 45-53
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c34262fe-7152-4e56-be8d-dd7e32b0f6dd

These numbers cant possibly be right.  No way Obama is as popular as he is nationwide in California.

Someone else  (typically Rasmussen)  usually refutes SUSA polls quickly except in Kansas.  SUSA polls the same few states.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on June 27, 2010, 01:12:18 PM
WY

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

I'm nt gonna use the SUSA numbers becuase they seem odd for the west coast, but here is what the map would look like with them

CA, OR, WA, KS

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sasquatch on June 27, 2010, 02:59:43 PM
Landslide!  (even though those polls are probably wrong)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on June 28, 2010, 08:19:12 AM
These numbers cant possibly be right.  No way Obama is as popular as he is nationwide in California.

SUSA didn't do a national poll AFAIK. Perhaps according to them Obama is the upper 30's nationwide.

SurveyUSA shows lower approval numbers in general, and not just for the President. Recall SUSA's poll of Chris Christie that showed him with gravely poor approvals just weeks before -- and after -- other pollsters showed him net positive.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 28, 2010, 08:53:20 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 49% +4.

Disapprove 50% , -4.


"Strongly Approve" is at 2%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, -3.

Either a huge movement, or a bad sample.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on June 28, 2010, 10:33:51 AM
Rasmussen: SC (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/south_carolina/election_2010_south_carolina_governor)
42/57






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on June 28, 2010, 10:35:05 AM
SC

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on June 28, 2010, 10:35:38 AM
Rasmussen: SC (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/south_carolina/election_2010_south_carolina_governor)
42/57

That's actually good for him there, all things considered.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on June 28, 2010, 10:40:09 AM
Rasmussen: SC (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/south_carolina/election_2010_south_carolina_governor)
42/57

That's actually good for him there, all things considered.

But it's Rasmussen so obviously he's really +5 there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 28, 2010, 10:41:30 AM
SC update


(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

45 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 139
white                        too close to call  20
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  63
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  98
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  65
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on June 28, 2010, 11:21:22 AM
Rasmussen: SC (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/south_carolina/election_2010_south_carolina_governor)
42/57

That's actually good for him there, all things considered.

But it's Rasmussen so obviously he's really +5 there.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Wow, that was funny.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 28, 2010, 12:49:55 PM
MA (University of NH):

Likely Voters: 51-47
Adults: 53-45

http://www.unh.edu/survey-center/news/pdf/bg_2010-june27.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on June 28, 2010, 01:11:17 PM
MA (University of NH):

Likely Voters: 51-47
Adults: 53-45

http://www.unh.edu/survey-center/news/pdf/bg_2010-june27.pdf

lolwut


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on June 28, 2010, 03:05:09 PM
Rasmussen: SC (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/south_carolina/election_2010_south_carolina_governor)
42/57

That's actually good for him there, all things considered.

But it's Rasmussen so obviously he's really +5 there.

Rasmussen's approval numbers are useful, disapproval not so much.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: xavier110 on June 28, 2010, 04:35:18 PM
Nationally:

Gallup - 46/46
Rasmussen - 49/50 (SA 28 / SD 37)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 29, 2010, 07:22:45 AM
Louisiana State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted June 24, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

       29% Strongly approve
       11% Somewhat approve
         8% Somewhat disapprove
       50% Strongly disapprove
         2% Not sure

New York State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted June 24, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

     34% Strongly approve
     27% Somewhat approve
     10% Somewhat disapprove
     29% Strongly disapprove
      0% Not sure

Hawaii Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted June 24, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

       52% Strongly approve
       20% Somewhat approve
         4% Somewhat disapprove
       22% Strongly disapprove
         2% Not sure


Spurious poll in Massachusetts recognized as such.


(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

45 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 139
white                        too close to call  20
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  63
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  106
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  57
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on June 29, 2010, 07:44:09 AM
Spurious poll in Massachusetts recognized as such.

Someone got a word-a-day calendar for Christmas!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 29, 2010, 08:43:01 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48% -1.

Disapprove 51% , +2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, +3.


It looks like a bad pro-Obama sample is moving through the system.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 29, 2010, 09:02:42 AM
Spurious poll in Massachusetts recognized as such.

Someone got a word-a-day calendar for Christmas!

Sorry, but I need no such gimmick.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: xavier110 on June 29, 2010, 06:38:53 PM
Rasmussen: Hawaii (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/hawaii/election_2010_hawaii_senate)
72/26


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 30, 2010, 12:07:51 AM
Wisconsin (PPP):

45% Approve
50% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 638 Wisconsin voters from June 26-27. The survey’s margin of error is +/- 3.9%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduceadditional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_WI_629.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on June 30, 2010, 12:15:22 AM
MA, NY, HI, WI, & LA

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 30, 2010, 08:23:26 AM
OH (Quinnipiac):

45% Approve
49% Disapprove

From June 22 - 27, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,107 Ohio voters, with a margin of error of +/- 3 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1322.xml?ReleaseID=1471

MO (Rasmussen):

47% Approve
53% Disapprove

This survey of 500 Likely Voters in Missouri was conducted on June 28, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/-4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/missouri/toplines/toplines_2010_missouri_senate_june_28_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on June 30, 2010, 08:39:16 AM
Rasmussen: Hawaii (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/hawaii/election_2010_hawaii_senate)
72/26

It seems that his numbers there will be outrageously high, no matter what.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 30, 2010, 08:39:45 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45 -3.

Disapprove 54% , +3.


"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +3.


A bad pro-Obama sample might be moving through the system.  This does not yet look like a big Obama drop.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 30, 2010, 10:37:20 AM
KY (Rasmussen):

41% Approve
58% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in Kentucky was conducted by Rasmussen Reports June 28, 2010. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/kentucky/toplines/toplines_2010_kentucky_senate_june_28_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 30, 2010, 12:08:57 PM
KY update. Rand Paul has slipped badly in his Senate race.

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

45 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 139
white                        too close to call  20
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  63
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  92
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  49
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on June 30, 2010, 12:54:24 PM
KY update. Rand Paul has slipped badly in his Senate race.

By...Conway gaining 1 point?  The May result was the obvious outlier, he's been holding pretty steady the whole time so far.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 30, 2010, 01:19:33 PM
KY update. Rand Paul has slipped badly in his Senate race.

By...Conway gaining 1 point?  The May result was the obvious outlier, he's been holding pretty steady the whole time so far.

It didn't seem like an outlier at the time.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on June 30, 2010, 01:36:23 PM
Doesn't Rand Paul have his own thread?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on June 30, 2010, 02:19:33 PM
KY update. Rand Paul has slipped badly in his Senate race.
By...Conway gaining 1 point?  The May result was the obvious outlier, he's been holding pretty steady the whole time so far.
It didn't seem like an outlier at the time.

Yes, it did.  Here are his Rasmussen leads so far:
8%
8%
15%
14%
9%
25%
8%
7%

An average of a 9% lead outside that one random burst.  Definitely a very clear outlier even at the time.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 30, 2010, 02:49:09 PM
KY update. Rand Paul has slipped badly in his Senate race.
By...Conway gaining 1 point?  The May result was the obvious outlier, he's been holding pretty steady the whole time so far.
It didn't seem like an outlier at the time.

Yes, it did.  Here are his Rasmussen leads so far:
8%
8%
15%
14%
9%
25%
8%
7%

An average of a 9% lead outside that one random burst.  Definitely a very clear outlier even at the time.

It could also have been the post-nomination bounce. You who have called Rand Paul's large lead in May an outlier seem to be right -- and I am wrong.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on June 30, 2010, 04:07:03 PM
KY update. Rand Paul has slipped badly in his Senate race.

By...Conway gaining 1 point?  The May result was the obvious outlier, he's been holding pretty steady the whole time so far.

He'll lose though. It's not like he's running against Harry Reid's son.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 01, 2010, 12:18:46 AM
OH (PPP):

42% Approve
54% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 482 Ohio voters from June 26-27. The survey’s margin of error is +/- 4.5%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_OH_630.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on July 01, 2010, 12:22:53 AM
MO, OH,& KY

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 01, 2010, 12:27:10 AM
Ohio Survey Results
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama's job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 42%
Disapprove...................................................... 54%
Not Sure.......................................................... 4%

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

45 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 118
white                        too close to call  20
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  81
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  92
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  49
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook on July 01, 2010, 12:55:55 AM
pbrower, 46 states have checked in.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on July 01, 2010, 01:21:07 AM
http://(
)

Here are the latest polls I've seen done in each state.

Alabama 40-58
Alaska
Arizona 39-60
Arkansas 37-61
California 59-39
Colorado 42-53
Connecticut 56-43
Delaware 54-46
Florida 46-54
Georgia 41-57
Hawaii 70-29
Idaho 30-69
Illinois 53-41
Indiana 41-58
Iowa 50-48
Kansas 37-62
Kentucky 41-58
Louisiana 37-57
Maine 48-51
Maryland 59-40
Massachusetts 56-43
Michigan 49-51
Minnesota 53-45
Missouri 47-53
Mississippi 38-62
Montana 38-62
Nebraska 42-57
Nevada 48-52
New Hampshire 50-50
New Jersey 49-51
New Mexico 48-52
New York 54-44
North Carolina 42-57
North Dakota 41-58
Ohio 42-57
Oklahoma 38-62
Oregon 49-48
Pennsylvania 48-52
Rhode Island 55-45
South Carolina 42-57
South Dakota 41-57
Tennessee 42-57
Texas 40-60
Utah 30-70
Vermont 66-32
Virginia 42-57
Washington 51-48
West Virginia 37-61
Wisconsin 49-50
Wyoming 30-70


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 01, 2010, 08:56:55 AM
Arizona State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted June 29, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

      

         20% Strongly approve

         19% Somewhat approve

         11% Somewhat disapprove

         48% Strongly disapprove

          1% Not sure

Pennsylvania Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted June 29, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

      

       26% Strongly approve

       21% Somewhat approve

       13% Somewhat disapprove

       40% Strongly disapprove

         1% Not sure

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

45 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 138
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  81
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  92
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  49
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 01, 2010, 09:01:20 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 44 -1.

Disapprove 55% , +1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45, +2.


The pro-Obama sample has passed through the system.

Note that the Strongly Disapprove number is now higher than Approve.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 01, 2010, 09:28:13 AM
I think to put this into perspective, Obama's Approve number has dropped 10 points from this time last year and his Disapprove numbers have increased by the same amount.  His Strongly Disapprove numbers have increased by 12 points.  His Strongly Approve numbers have dropped by 6 points.

The real collapse in his approval numbers did not start until late July 2009.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 01, 2010, 01:58:44 PM
OR (Magellan Strategies):

47% Approve
44% Disapprove

Magellan Data and Mapping Strategies are pleased to present the topline results of a 963N autodial survey of likely general election voters in the state of Oregon. The interviews were conducted June 28th, 2010. This survey has a margin of error of +/‐ 3.16% at the 95 percent confidence interval. This survey was weighted based upon voter turnout demographics from the 2008 and 2006 election cycles.

http://www.magellanstrategies.com/web/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Magellan-Oregon-Governor-Survey-Release-063010.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on July 01, 2010, 07:09:52 PM
He's at 47% in my state. What are his numbers in your states?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 02, 2010, 08:08:08 AM
Ohio Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted June 29, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

     

       31% Strongly approve

       17% Somewhat approve

         8% Somewhat disapprove

       44% Strongly disapprove

         1% Not sure

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

45 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 156
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  63
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  92
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  49
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 02, 2010, 08:45:23 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45 +1.

Disapprove 55% , u.


"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44, -1.


All numbers are within the "new normal."  The Strongly Disapprove is below Approve.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 02, 2010, 12:52:57 PM
MD (Magellan Strategies):

48% Approve
43% Disapprove

Magellan Data and Mapping Strategies are pleased to present the topline results of a 752N autodial survey of likely general election voters in the state of Maryland. The interviews were conducted June 29th, 2010. This survey has a margin of error of +/‐ 3.57% at the 95 percent confidence interval. This survey was weighted based upon voter turnout demographics from the 2008, 2006, and 2004 election cycles.

http://www.magellanstrategies.com/web/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Magellan-Maryland-Governor-Survey-Release-070110.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on July 02, 2010, 05:21:44 PM
OH, PA, AZ, OR, & MD

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on July 03, 2010, 01:22:11 AM
MD (Magellan Strategies):

48% Approve
43% Disapprove

Magellan Data and Mapping Strategies are pleased to present the topline results of a 752N autodial survey of likely general election voters in the state of Maryland. The interviews were conducted June 29th, 2010. This survey has a margin of error of +/‐ 3.57% at the 95 percent confidence interval. This survey was weighted based upon voter turnout demographics from the 2008, 2006, and 2004 election cycles.

http://www.magellanstrategies.com/web/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Magellan-Maryland-Governor-Survey-Release-070110.pdf

Sanity returns to my home state?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on July 03, 2010, 12:35:06 PM
MD (Magellan Strategies):

48% Approve
43% Disapprove

Magellan Data and Mapping Strategies are pleased to present the topline results of a 752N autodial survey of likely general election voters in the state of Maryland. The interviews were conducted June 29th, 2010. This survey has a margin of error of +/‐ 3.57% at the 95 percent confidence interval. This survey was weighted based upon voter turnout demographics from the 2008, 2006, and 2004 election cycles.

http://www.magellanstrategies.com/web/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Magellan-Maryland-Governor-Survey-Release-070110.pdf

Sanity returns to my home state?

WOW


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on July 03, 2010, 01:13:09 PM
Obama Gallup Approval rating June 2010:

46% Approve

46% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 43/42 (June 1978)

Reagan: 45/46 (June 1982)

Bush I: 68/18 (June 1990)

Clinton: 46/46 (June 1994)

Bush II: 73/20 (June 2002)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on July 03, 2010, 02:18:24 PM
Obama Gallup Approval rating June 2010:

46% Approve

46% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 43/42 (June 1978)

Reagan: 45/46 (June 1982)

Bush I: 68/18 (June 1990)

Clinton: 46/46 (June 1994)

Bush II: 73/20 (June 2002)


Rasmussen is more accurate because it collects a proportional amount of voters.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on July 03, 2010, 04:03:12 PM
Obama Gallup Approval rating June 2010:

46% Approve

46% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 43/42 (June 1978)

Reagan: 45/46 (June 1982)

Bush I: 68/18 (June 1990)

Clinton: 46/46 (June 1994)

Bush II: 73/20 (June 2002)


Interesting that Bush is the only reelected one with positive approval at this point and that the other two with positive approval didn't get reelected.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 03, 2010, 09:06:37 PM
Obama Gallup Approval rating June 2010:

46% Approve

46% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 43/42 (June 1978)

Reagan: 45/46 (June 1982)

Bush I: 68/18 (June 1990)

Clinton: 46/46 (June 1994)

Bush II: 73/20 (June 2002)


Interesting that Bush is the only reelected one with positive approval at this point and that the other two with positive approval didn't get reelected.

Reagan, Clinton, and Obama took big risks with the Presidency. Bush I had accomplished about everything that he wanted to accomplish as President within a year. I'm not sure that he really wanted the Soviet Union to collapse.

Dubya may have won Ohio "with a little help from his friends" in 2004, so we can't be completely sure that he won honestly.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on July 03, 2010, 09:09:58 PM
Obama Gallup Approval rating June 2010:

46% Approve

46% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 43/42 (June 1978)

Reagan: 45/46 (June 1982)

Bush I: 68/18 (June 1990)

Clinton: 46/46 (June 1994)

Bush II: 73/20 (June 2002)


Rasmussen is more accurate because it collects a proportional amount of voters.

You cant compare Rasmussen data to old data beacsue Rasmussen didnt exist before 2000.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 04, 2010, 07:11:57 AM
Obama Gallup Approval rating June 2010:

46% Approve

46% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 43/42 (June 1978)

Reagan: 45/46 (June 1982)

Bush I: 68/18 (June 1990)

Clinton: 46/46 (June 1994)

Bush II: 73/20 (June 2002)


In Clinton's case, he was off his lows (37%) and growing.  The Gallup numbers I've seen had him at 46-48% in October or November 1994.  Carter was in his low trough for the first two years, and would also rebound by the midterms.

Only Reagan was showing declining numbers.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/presidential-approval-tracker.htm


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on July 04, 2010, 09:07:36 AM
Reagan, Clinton, and Obama took big risks with the Presidency. Bush I had accomplished about everything that he wanted to accomplish as President within a year. I'm not sure that he really wanted the Soviet Union to collapse.

Dubya may have won Ohio "with a little help from his friends" in 2004, so we can't be completely sure that he won honestly.

Haha...OK thanks. ::)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Reaganfan on July 04, 2010, 11:41:27 AM
Obama Gallup Approval rating June 2010:

46% Approve

46% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 43/42 (June 1978)

Reagan: 45/46 (June 1982)

Bush I: 68/18 (June 1990)

Clinton: 46/46 (June 1994)

Bush II: 73/20 (June 2002)


Interesting that Bush is the only reelected one with positive approval at this point and that the other two with positive approval didn't get reelected.

Reagan, Clinton, and Obama took big risks with the Presidency. Bush I had accomplished about everything that he wanted to accomplish as President within a year. I'm not sure that he really wanted the Soviet Union to collapse.

Dubya may have won Ohio "with a little help from his friends" in 2004, so we can't be completely sure that he won honestly.

Seriously...why is it so hard to accept that George W. Bush was elected then re-elected as President of the United States in the 2000s?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 04, 2010, 11:44:06 AM
Obama Gallup Approval rating June 2010:

46% Approve

46% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 43/42 (June 1978)

Reagan: 45/46 (June 1982)

Bush I: 68/18 (June 1990)

Clinton: 46/46 (June 1994)

Bush II: 73/20 (June 2002)


Interesting that Bush is the only reelected one with positive approval at this point and that the other two with positive approval didn't get reelected.

Reagan, Clinton, and Obama took big risks with the Presidency. Bush I had accomplished about everything that he wanted to accomplish as President within a year. I'm not sure that he really wanted the Soviet Union to collapse.

Dubya may have won Ohio "with a little help from his friends" in 2004, so we can't be completely sure that he won honestly.

Seriously...why is it so hard to accept that George W. Bush was elected then re-elected as President of the United States in the 2000s?

Well I know I wouldn't like to think my nation was that idiotic.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 04, 2010, 01:56:05 PM
Obama Gallup Approval rating June 2010:

46% Approve

46% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 43/42 (June 1978)

Reagan: 45/46 (June 1982)

Bush I: 68/18 (June 1990)

Clinton: 46/46 (June 1994)

Bush II: 73/20 (June 2002)


Interesting that Bush is the only reelected one with positive approval at this point and that the other two with positive approval didn't get reelected.

Reagan, Clinton, and Obama took big risks with the Presidency. Bush I had accomplished about everything that he wanted to accomplish as President within a year. I'm not sure that he really wanted the Soviet Union to collapse.

Dubya may have won Ohio "with a little help from his friends" in 2004, so we can't be completely sure that he won honestly.

Seriously...why is it so hard to accept that George W. Bush was elected then re-elected as President of the United States in the 2000s?

Dubya was elected -- maybe not honestly. As the 2000 and perhaps the 2004 Presidential elections prove, the States elect the President and the American people don't. Nothing guarantees the fairness of the States' processes of deciding who is elected. Conceivably the Governor could conduct a coin toss if something went fishy.

In 2004 people living in precincts likely to vote for Kerry often found huge delays in the vote due to machine shortages and GOP-sponsored challenges to the vote; those in precincts likely to vote for Dubya typically could vote quickly and efficiently. 

The Ohio election for President in 2004 was official -- but also fishy.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on July 05, 2010, 01:55:13 AM
Obama Gallup Approval rating June 2010:

46% Approve

46% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 43/42 (June 1978)

Reagan: 45/46 (June 1982)

Bush I: 68/18 (June 1990)

Clinton: 46/46 (June 1994)

Bush II: 73/20 (June 2002)


Interesting that Bush is the only reelected one with positive approval at this point and that the other two with positive approval didn't get reelected.

Reagan, Clinton, and Obama took big risks with the Presidency. Bush I had accomplished about everything that he wanted to accomplish as President within a year. I'm not sure that he really wanted the Soviet Union to collapse.

Dubya may have won Ohio "with a little help from his friends" in 2004, so we can't be completely sure that he won honestly.

Seriously...why is it so hard to accept that George W. Bush was elected then re-elected as President of the United States in the 2000s?

Dubya was elected -- maybe not honestly. As the 2000 and perhaps the 2004 Presidential elections prove, the States elect the President and the American people don't. Nothing guarantees the fairness of the States' processes of deciding who is elected. Conceivably the Governor could conduct a coin toss if something went fishy.

In 2004 people living in precincts likely to vote for Kerry often found huge delays in the vote due to machine shortages and GOP-sponsored challenges to the vote; those in precincts likely to vote for Dubya typically could vote quickly and efficiently. 

The Ohio election for President in 2004 was official -- but also fishy.

And in 2000, voters in western Florida were told by the media that their polling stations had closed, when in fact they were still open because of the difference in time zones. This led to fewer voters showing up to vote in the final hour than is normally the case. As that area is typically very strongly conservative/Republican, Gore benefited from this and the lower turnout could have changed the election result. If I were to use your logic, this must therefore be a gigantic conspiracy by the media, proving a left-wing bias.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Reaganfan on July 05, 2010, 02:46:25 AM
Obama Gallup Approval rating June 2010:

46% Approve

46% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 43/42 (June 1978)

Reagan: 45/46 (June 1982)

Bush I: 68/18 (June 1990)

Clinton: 46/46 (June 1994)

Bush II: 73/20 (June 2002)


Interesting that Bush is the only reelected one with positive approval at this point and that the other two with positive approval didn't get reelected.

Reagan, Clinton, and Obama took big risks with the Presidency. Bush I had accomplished about everything that he wanted to accomplish as President within a year. I'm not sure that he really wanted the Soviet Union to collapse.

Dubya may have won Ohio "with a little help from his friends" in 2004, so we can't be completely sure that he won honestly.

Seriously...why is it so hard to accept that George W. Bush was elected then re-elected as President of the United States in the 2000s?

Dubya was elected -- maybe not honestly. As the 2000 and perhaps the 2004 Presidential elections prove, the States elect the President and the American people don't. Nothing guarantees the fairness of the States' processes of deciding who is elected. Conceivably the Governor could conduct a coin toss if something went fishy.

In 2004 people living in precincts likely to vote for Kerry often found huge delays in the vote due to machine shortages and GOP-sponsored challenges to the vote; those in precincts likely to vote for Dubya typically could vote quickly and efficiently. 

The Ohio election for President in 2004 was official -- but also fishy.

But you have to remember, Cuyahoga County is ALWAYS a mess. Every year there are scandals within the local government (all completely Democratic BTW) and the areas where there were delays and problems were in run-down areas which Kerry won anyways by large margins.

Bush could get 80% of the vote in "Bill Fishing Bait Shop" because the folks drive to the ballot box, vote, and go home. It's easier in more rural areas. Hell, it took me 3 minutes to vote in 2008 in Streetsboro, OH inside a little school. No lines, nothing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dan the Roman on July 05, 2010, 02:50:16 PM
What amuses me about all of the Ohio was stolen people is that Bush still would have had a 3 million popular vote plurality even had he lost Ohio. So if we are talking about approval ratings and presidential vote, the original point still stands.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on July 05, 2010, 02:59:31 PM
What amuses me about all of the Ohio was stolen people is that Bush still would have had a 3 million popular vote plurality even had he lost Ohio.

Bush's re-election was absolutely fair......but it's interesting that Republicans only care about the popular vote in 2004 and not in 2000.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on July 05, 2010, 07:24:30 PM
Obama Gallup Approval rating June 2010:

46% Approve

46% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 43/42 (June 1978)

Reagan: 45/46 (June 1982)

Bush I: 68/18 (June 1990)

Clinton: 46/46 (June 1994)

Bush II: 73/20 (June 2002)


In Clinton's case, he was off his lows (37%) and growing.  The Gallup numbers I've seen had him at 46-48% in October or November 1994.  Carter was in his low trough for the first two years, and would also rebound by the midterms.

Only Reagan was showing declining numbers.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/presidential-approval-tracker.htm

Carter kept declining until he hit 39% in August and stayed around 40% until the Camp David Accords in mid-September, which allowed him to rise back to 49% by election day.  

Clinton also hit 39% in August and didnt recover until he reached 48% in late October, falling to 46% on election eve.  Had Clinton maintained that 48% until election day, Democrats probably would have kept the House.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on July 06, 2010, 09:04:26 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, nc.

Disapprove 54% , –1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, –1.


*Polling was not done over the holiday weekend.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 06, 2010, 10:07:30 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, nc.

Disapprove 54% , –1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, –1.


*Polling was not done over the holiday weekend.




And within the "new normal."  No great increase or decrease


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on July 06, 2010, 10:46:50 AM
And within the "new normal."  No great increase or decrease

I didn't want to step on your toes, but when 10AM EDT rolls around without my daily polling fix, I start to get antsy!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 06, 2010, 03:52:30 PM
Kansas update (yawn!)

Kansas State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted June 30, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

19% Strongly approve
16% Somewhat approve
11% Somewhat disapprove
53% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure

Oklahoma update  (yawn again!)

Oklahoma State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted June 30, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

19% Strongly approve
16% Somewhat approve
11% Somewhat disapprove
54% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure


(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

46 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 156
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  63
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  92
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  56
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 06, 2010, 04:20:02 PM
Kentucky:
37/58

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_KY_706.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on July 06, 2010, 10:57:01 PM
KA, OK, & KY

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 06, 2010, 11:30:47 PM
First July poll (Kentucky, letter G)

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

46 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 156
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  63
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  84
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  64
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......




[/quote]


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 07, 2010, 09:03:55 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, u.

Disapprove 54% u.


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, u.

Now that is stable.  :)





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 07, 2010, 04:40:14 PM
North Carolina Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted July 6, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

30% Strongly approve
11% Somewhat approve
10% Somewhat disapprove
49% Strongly disapprove
  0% Not sure

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

46 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 156
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  48
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  99
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  64
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on July 07, 2010, 04:45:46 PM
You need to add 10% because it is Republican HACK Rasmussen.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 07, 2010, 06:23:59 PM
You need to add 10% because it is Republican HACK Rasmussen.

What I say with my model is that if the approval rating for President Obama is 41% in the spring of 2012, he would most likely end up with about a 47-53 loss in the state in November.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl on July 07, 2010, 06:39:00 PM
You need to add 10% because it is Republican HACK Rasmussen.

What I say with my model is that if the approval rating for President Obama is 41% in the spring of 2012, he would most likely end up with about a 47-53 loss in the state in November.

Nobody but you takes your 'model' seriously, however.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 08, 2010, 07:56:57 AM
Florida Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted July 6, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly

approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s

been doing?

           

29% Strongly approve

            14% Somewhat approve

            12% Somewhat disapprove

            45% Strongly disapprove

              0% Not sure

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

46 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 156
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  48
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  99
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  64
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 08, 2010, 08:55:19 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, u.

Disapprove 54% u.


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, u.

(Wow, that was easy to type.)



[/quote]


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 08, 2010, 12:57:30 PM
IL (Rasmussen):

54% Approve
46% Disapprove

The survey of 500 Likely Voters in Illinois was conducted on July 7, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/-4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/illinois/toplines/toplines_illinois_senate_july_7_2010)

WV (Rasmussen):

33% Approve
65% Disapprove

The survey of 500 Likely Voters in West Virginia was conducted on July 7, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/-4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted byPulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/west_virginia/toplines/toplines_wv_special_election_july_7_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on July 08, 2010, 01:07:57 PM
IL (Rasmussen):

54% Approve
46% Disapprove

The survey of 500 Likely Voters in Illinois was conducted on July 7, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/-4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Don't worry, Obama.  You'll always have Hawai'i.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 08, 2010, 02:47:26 PM
IL (Rasmussen):

54% Approve
46% Disapprove

The survey of 500 Likely Voters in Illinois was conducted on July 7, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/-4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/illinois/toplines/toplines_illinois_senate_july_7_2010)

WV (Rasmussen):

33% Approve
65% Disapprove

The survey of 500 Likely Voters in West Virginia was conducted on July 7, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/-4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted byPulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/west_virginia/toplines/toplines_wv_special_election_july_7_2010)

Wow! West Virginia used to be one of the most reliable Democratic states. As late as 1988 it was one of the few states to vote for Mike Dukakis ,

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

47 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 156
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  48
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  99
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  69
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on July 08, 2010, 04:15:40 PM
Am I correct to believe that all of the "white" states are "swing" states?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 08, 2010, 05:15:38 PM
Am I correct to believe that all of the "white" states are "swing" states?

Pink, white, and light blue suggest swing states. Because polls bounce around, we have already seen states change categories.

The model (and in this I owe Nate Silver at 538) suggests that an incumbent who has an early approval rating of 44% in a statewide race  has roughly a 50% chance of winning the election. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on July 08, 2010, 06:02:46 PM

Wow! West Virginia used to be one of the most reliable Democratic states. As late as 1988 it was one of the few states to vote for Mike Dukakis

It's basically following the general trend of the states over the last 20 years to fall into more ideological baskets.  It's like how New Jersey used to be a relatively strong moderate Republican state--the strength of the state party to deliver in presidential elections has been eroded over the last few years


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on July 08, 2010, 11:25:55 PM
FL, IL, WV, NC

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)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on July 09, 2010, 12:41:21 AM
Am I correct to believe that all of the "white" states are "swing" states?

Pink, white, and light blue suggest swing states. Because polls bounce around, we have already seen states change categories.

The model (and in this I owe Nate Silver at 538) suggests that an incumbent who has an early approval rating of 44% in a statewide race  has roughly a 50% chance of winning the election. 


Name one candidate who has been reelected with a 44% approval rating.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on July 09, 2010, 08:20:00 AM
The model (and in this I owe Nate Silver at 538) suggests that an incumbent who has an early approval rating of 44% in a statewide race  has roughly a 50% chance of winning the election.

I hate having to correct him every time he says this (it's tedious), but Nate Silver says nothing of the sort.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 09, 2010, 08:38:27 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, +1.

Disapprove 53% -1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 09, 2010, 12:57:14 PM
WV (Rasmussen):

35% Approve
64% Disapprove

The survey of 500 Likely Voters in West Virginia was conducted on July 8, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/-4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/west_virginia/west_virginia/toplines_west_virginia_special_election_july_8_2010)

SD (Rasmussen):

40% Approve
59% Disapprove

This statewide telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in South Dakota was conducted on July 6, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/-4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_house_of_representatives_election/south_dakota/toplines/toplines_south_dakota_house_of_representatives_election_july_6_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 09, 2010, 08:18:49 PM
SD update -- marginal change:

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

47 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 156
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  48
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  96
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  66
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 10, 2010, 12:23:32 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 52% -1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 10, 2010, 12:39:49 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 52% -1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.




Could we say the movement over the past few days is a trend, or just sample variation?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on July 10, 2010, 11:16:56 PM
Could we say the movement over the past few days is a trend, or just sample variation?

Far too small a move, and far too soon to say.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 10, 2010, 11:45:46 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 52% -1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.




Could we say the movement over the past few days is a trend, or just sample variation?

I'm not sure that there was much of a trend.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 11, 2010, 09:02:18 AM
Rasmussen (July 11):

49% Approve (+2)
50% Disapprove (-2)

27% Strongly Approve (nc)
40% Strongly Disapprove (-1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 11, 2010, 09:07:05 AM
Rasmussen (July 11):

49% Approve (+2)
50% Disapprove (-2)

27% Strongly Approve (nc)
40% Strongly Disapprove (-1)

When was Obama last at 49/50 with Rasmussen?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 11, 2010, 09:13:50 AM
Rasmussen (July 11):

49% Approve (+2)
50% Disapprove (-2)

27% Strongly Approve (nc)
40% Strongly Disapprove (-1)

When was Obama last at 49/50 with Rasmussen?

About a week ago. Let´s first watch if Gallup also goes up today, if not, Rasmussen´s probably dropping to 45% again tomorrow - as usual.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 11, 2010, 01:12:04 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 52% -1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.




Could we say the movement over the past few days is a trend, or just sample variation?

Really, we've only seen movement yesterday and today, after a week of huge stability.  If there is actual movement, as opposed to a good sample moving through the system, we should wait for Tuesday.  Friday's "Strongly" numbers showed no movement.

If Tuesday's Approve numbers are 45-46, there is no movement, and its just a good sample that moved through the system.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 11, 2010, 03:26:27 PM
Rasmussen (July 11):

49% Approve (+2)
50% Disapprove (-2)

27% Strongly Approve (nc)
40% Strongly Disapprove (-1)

When was Obama last at 49/50 with Rasmussen?

About a week ago. Let´s first watch if Gallup also goes up today, if not, Rasmussen´s probably dropping to 45% again tomorrow - as usual.

If it sticks it could be a real rebound which would appear in statewide approval ratings. If it is transitory... almost everything in politics is transitory. So if you see an Obama approval rating going from 40% to 45% and another going from 47% to 52% -- and perhaps another going from 33% to 37%, draw your own conclusion.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on July 11, 2010, 10:22:14 PM
Rasmussen (July 11):

49% Approve (+2)
50% Disapprove (-2)

27% Strongly Approve (nc)
40% Strongly Disapprove (-1)

When was Obama last at 49/50 with Rasmussen?

He's that high almost once a week. He varies between 44 and 47 for the most part in the past 6 months. He's gotten as low as 41% once.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on July 11, 2010, 10:47:31 PM
one thing i've learned from watching Rass polls for the last year or so, is that you should always expect generally pretty wide fluctuations in the day-to-day numbers.  If a trend holds for a week or two, then you might be able to consider it to be statistically significant.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 12, 2010, 08:48:09 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 49%, u.

Disapprove 50% u.


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -1.


Either actual movement for Obama, or a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on July 12, 2010, 09:17:02 AM
Rasmussen: Maryland 57/43
 link  (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/maryland/election_2010_maryland_governor)

SD & WV


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)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 12, 2010, 12:02:14 PM
Maryland (Rasmussen)

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

   

    42% Strongly approve

    15% Somewhat approve

      9% Somewhat disapprove

    34% Strongly disapprove

      0% Not sure

Indiana Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted June 2-3, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

    20% Strongly approve
    21% Somewhat approve
    13% Somewhat disapprove
    45% Strongly disapprove
      2% Not sure

Indiana -- marginally contestable, a bad sign for the GOP.

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)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

47 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 156
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  48
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  96
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  66
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......








Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on July 12, 2010, 12:42:49 PM
Indiana -- marginally contestable, a bad sign for the GOP.

Pay no attention to the map covered in a sharply disapproving mustard yellow. It is merely there to add delicious flavor to Obama's hot dog of a victory romp.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 12, 2010, 12:44:27 PM
Indiana is 43% Approve, 56% Disapprove.

You posted the June numbers, pbrower ... ;)

(Not that it matters for your map)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 12, 2010, 12:54:33 PM

(correction noted here:

Indiana is 43% Approve, 56% Disapprove.

You posted the June numbers, pbrower ... ;)

(Not that it matters for your map)

Maryland (Rasmussen)

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

   

    42% Strongly approve

    15% Somewhat approve

      9% Somewhat disapprove

    34% Strongly disapprove

      0% Not sure

Indiana Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted June 2-3, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

    20% Strongly approve
    21% Somewhat approve
    13% Somewhat disapprove
    45% Strongly disapprove
      2% Not sure

Indiana -- marginally contestable, a bad sign for the GOP.

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

47 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 156
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  48
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  96
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  66
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......









Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on July 12, 2010, 09:02:33 PM
Indiana -- marginally contestable, a bad sign for the GOP.

Pay no attention to the map covered in a sharply disapproving mustard yellow. It is merely there to add delicious flavor to Obama's hot dog of a victory romp.

41% Strongly or Somewhat Approve, 45% Strongly Disapprove. At this stage more people are saying "Heck No" than either "Definitely Yes" or "I'll Probably Vote for Him."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 12, 2010, 09:13:43 PM
Indiana -- marginally contestable, a bad sign for the GOP.

Pay no attention to the map covered in a sharply disapproving mustard yellow. It is merely there to add delicious flavor to Obama's hot dog of a victory romp.

41% Strongly or Somewhat Approve, 45% Strongly Disapprove. At this stage more people are saying "Heck No" than either "Definitely Yes" or "I'll Probably Vote for Him."

Much will depend on who the Reactionary Party nominates as well as factors such as whether or not the economy has rebounded nicely, there are no unpopular foreign wars or major scandals directly implicating him


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on July 12, 2010, 09:15:30 PM
Indiana -- marginally contestable, a bad sign for the GOP.

Pay no attention to the map covered in a sharply disapproving mustard yellow. It is merely there to add delicious flavor to Obama's hot dog of a victory romp.

41% Strongly or Somewhat Approve, 45% Strongly Disapprove. At this stage more people are saying "Heck No" than either "Definitely Yes" or "I'll Probably Vote for Him."

Much will depend on who the Reactionary Party nominates as well as factors such as whether or not the economy has rebounded nicely, there are no unpopular foreign wars or major scandals directly implicating him

He's basically taken ownership of Afghanistan by surging troops.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on July 12, 2010, 09:19:12 PM
Indiana -- marginally contestable, a bad sign for the GOP.

Pay no attention to the map covered in a sharply disapproving mustard yellow. It is merely there to add delicious flavor to Obama's hot dog of a victory romp.

41% Strongly or Somewhat Approve, 45% Strongly Disapprove. At this stage more people are saying "Heck No" than either "Definitely Yes" or "I'll Probably Vote for Him."

Much will depend on who the Reactionary Party nominates as well as factors such as whether or not the economy has rebounded nicely, there are no unpopular foreign wars or major scandals directly implicating him

He's basically taken ownership of Afghanistan by surging troops.

Yep and he'll own a double-dip recession should it come too


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on July 12, 2010, 10:58:40 PM
Anyone seen recent numbers in MN? I haven't seen that in 2 months. I forget where I saw a poll showing that only 46% of voters approve of him in CA.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 13, 2010, 08:28:22 AM
CA (Field Poll): 54% Approve, 39% Disapprove

http://field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/Rls2345.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 13, 2010, 08:31:45 AM
CO (Rasmussen): 41% Approve, 59% Disapprove

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/colorado/toplines/toplines_colorado_senate_i_july_8_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 13, 2010, 09:25:21 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, -1.

Disapprove 52% +2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +2.


A good Obama sample dropped off, but there might have been some slight upward movement as well.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 13, 2010, 11:17:40 AM
NV (Rasmussen): 48% Approve, 52% Disapprove

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/nevada/toplines/toplines_2010_nevada_senate_july_12_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on July 13, 2010, 11:19:42 AM
NV, IN, CA, & CO

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 13, 2010, 11:41:35 AM
Colorado Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted July 8, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

  

    29% Strongly approve

    12% Somewhat approve

      7% Somewhat disapprove

    52% Strongly disapprove

      0% Not sure

Indiana Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted July 7-8, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

       20% Strongly approve
       23% Somewhat approve
       11% Somewhat disapprove
       45% Strongly disapprove
         1% Not sure

NV update -- no real change

 CA -- Field Poll, likewise

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

47 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 156
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  48
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  96
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  66
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......








Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on July 13, 2010, 11:46:21 AM
45% of residents in Indiana disapprove of Obama, 57% of the entire population disapprove of him. This is a state Obama actually won in 2012. You're saying it's bad for Republicans that Obama is performing miserably? I'd say just the opposite. This race will obviously be much closer than it was in 2012, and Indiana will easily go to the Republican.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on July 13, 2010, 01:31:26 PM
45% of residents in Indiana disapprove of Obama, 57% of the entire population disapprove of him. This is a state Obama actually won in 2012. You're saying it's bad for Republicans that Obama is performing miserably? I'd say just the opposite. This race will obviously be much closer than it was in 2012, and Indiana will easily go to the Republican.

Once again... we are TWO YEARS AND 4 MONTHS FROM ELECTION DAY!!!!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on July 13, 2010, 01:39:10 PM
45% of residents in Indiana disapprove of Obama, 57% of the entire population disapprove of him. This is a state Obama actually won in 2012. You're saying it's bad for Republicans that Obama is performing miserably? I'd say just the opposite. This race will obviously be much closer than it was in 2012, and Indiana will easily go to the Republican.

Once again... we are TWO YEARS AND 4 MONTHS FROM ELECTION DAY!!!!
Exactly. Which is why it's ridiculous that pbrower is saying that it's "bad for Republicans" than Obama has a 43% approval rating in Indiana, which he thinks will make it competitive.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 13, 2010, 02:30:20 PM
45% of residents in Indiana disapprove of Obama, 57% of the entire population disapprove of him. This is a state Obama actually won in 2012. You're saying it's bad for Republicans that Obama is performing miserably? I'd say just the opposite. This race will obviously be much closer than it was in 2012, and Indiana will easily go to the Republican.

Once again... we are TWO YEARS AND 4 MONTHS FROM ELECTION DAY!!!!
Exactly. Which is why it's ridiculous that pbrower is saying that it's "bad for Republicans" than Obama has a 43% approval rating in Indiana, which he thinks will make it competitive.

1. The Republicans haven't won when Indiana has been even marginally competitive for Democrats since the nineteenth Century. They cannot win without Indiana, and they can't when Indiana is even close. The last time before 2008 (aside from the 1964 Goldwater disaster) when Indiana was within 5% of going D was 1948. That year, Truman won.

Indiana was one of the worst states for JFK (55-45), who won a close election.  Clinton never came close to winning the state in two decisive wins. Gore lost it 56-41 in the closest Presidential election in American history. Kerry lost it 60-40 in another close election.

If the Democrats get even so close as 46% in Indiana in 2012 on Election Day, then the Democrats hold onto the Presidency. 49%? He likely wins Missouri instead of Indiana -- a wash, and Obama has about 360 electoral votes.

2. It is more than 27 months before Election Day, 2012. When the Obama machine is out of mothballs and the GOP has its candidate well known to the public, then we will see how things go. Obama's campaign machine made few mistakes -- at least those that it couldn't recover from --  either in the primaries or in the general election.  

3. A 43% approval rating for an incumbent is probably not enough to win in a statewide election. 44% is the break-even point. The Presidential election is 50 statewide elections, five Congressional districts, and DC.  My model suggests that if things are as they are with an Obama level of approval of 43%, he will win 49% of the total vote of the two main contenders. That would not be enough to win Indiana... but neighboring Ohio would surely go D if Indiana is close.  The Republicans cannot win without Ohio; the last Democratic nominee to win without Ohio was JFK.

Yes, Ohio is the big prize... the sirloin steak. Indiana is at most the after-dinner drink. The GOP must win Ohio to have a real chance. But Indiana says things about Ohio.  

4. Yes, the Obama win of Indiana in 2008 looks like a fluke. The Obama campaign contested the state in the primary election and found the state unusually easy to campaign in for a Democrat. Unlike Kennedy, Humphrey, Gore, or Kerry he was campaigning from the neighboring state, which means that he didn't have to fly campaign equipment into the state.

At times he seemed to need the state.  It is open to Michigan and Ohio television markets; to reach certain parts of Michigan and Ohio the Obama campaign had to buy advertising time in places like South Bend and Fort Wayne. But that helped him in places like South Bend, Elkhart, Michigan City, Fort Wayne, and Muncie. Ads from places like Dayton and Cincinnati filtered into parts of Indiana, too. Obama sealed the state by advertising in Indianapolis.

That won't be repeated in 2012. He faces no meaningful opposition in the Democratic primaries, so he won't get the early start that he needed to win Indiana. There are bigger and easier prizes under some circumstances if things are going well (Georgia is an Obama win if the military situation in southwest Asia improves) -- not to mention Florida, Ohio, and Virginia. 

5. Indiana may be the last state in the northeastern quadrant of the United States (except West Virginia, which has gone a different direction) to trend Democratic. [Virginia also went for Obama in 2008 for the first time since 1964, but more decisively than Indiana]. The Republican machine has been strong for years, but that may be at an end.

LAST TIME VOTING REPUBLICAN,

States in or partially in the northeastern quadrant of the United States

DC  -- never
MN -- 1972
MA, MN, NY,  RI, , WI -- 1984
CT, DE, IL, ME, MD,  MI, NJ, PA, VT -- 1988
NH -- 2000
IA, IN, OH, NE-02   -- 2004

(Others: KS, MO, NE, ND, SD, WV)

The point: States settled from New England, the Dutch colony of New Netherland, and southeastern Pennsylvania have been trending D even though they used to be firmly R (this also applies to the West Coast).  The cultural patterns that used to cause suburbanites in those states to vote for pro-business liberal Republicans were eroded when the Republican Party went for the traditionalist and often racist voters of the South. Indiana may be less "northern" than any of the other states in the group that went for Obama -- even Virginia -- but it is no longer a state that Republicans can presume is reliably "theirs".

Indiana may be more rural and less cosmopolitan than other states that went for Obama, but it is also more urban and cosmopolitan than most of the South (FL and VA excluded).

I suggest that you examine David Hackett Fisher's Albion's Seed for an explanation of the partisan trends in American politics (he does not mention 2008 unless he has a new edition available).     
 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 14, 2010, 07:12:35 AM
CA (Rasmussen): 57-42

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/california/election_2010_california_senate)

PA (Quinnipiac): 46-49

Pennsylvania voters say 48 - 42 percent that President Obama does not deserve reelection in 2012. In fact, 41 percent of voters say they would vote for an unnamed Republican candidate in 2012, while 40 percent say they would vote for Obama. Independent voters say they would go for a Republican 37 - 33 percent.

"When a politician's approval rating is down 13 points among independent voters, that is generally a sign of political vulnerability," said Brown. "The 6-point margin held by those who say President Obama doesn't deserve a second term over those who think he does also should make the White House nervous, especially since Pennsylvania has not voted Republican for president since 1988. Here too, his weakness is among independents, who say 51 - 35 percent he does not deserve a second term."

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1327.xml?ReleaseID=1475


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 14, 2010, 10:09:54 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, -1.

Disapprove 53% +1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.

Still within range.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on July 14, 2010, 10:13:41 AM
We got him right where we want him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 14, 2010, 11:26:35 AM
NH (Rasmussen):

42% Approve, 43% Disapprove

WTF ?, I´ve never seen a Rasmussen poll with 15% undecided (I think it´s 52% approve)

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/new_hampshire/election_2010_new_hampshire_senate/new_hampshire_senate_all_four_gop_candidates_now_outpace_hodes)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on July 14, 2010, 11:30:57 AM
NH, CA, & PA

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 14, 2010, 11:39:38 AM
NH (Rasmussen):

42% Approve, 43% Disapprove

WTF ?, I´ve never seen a Rasmussen poll with 15% undecided (I think it´s 52% approve)

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/new_hampshire/election_2010_new_hampshire_senate/new_hampshire_senate_all_four_gop_candidates_now_outpace_hodes)

OK, it´s actually 42-57.

Here´s the link (that`s working now):

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/new_hampshire/toplines/toplines_new_hampshire_senate_july_12_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 14, 2010, 11:50:26 AM
Well, I think if you have a problem with Independents nationally, then you´ll probably have a HUGE problem in New Hampshire, of all places too.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 14, 2010, 11:51:46 AM
New Missouri numbers will be released in 9 minutes ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on July 14, 2010, 12:21:16 PM
CA, PA updates

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

47 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 156
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  48
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  96
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  66
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......

NH?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 14, 2010, 12:28:14 PM
We may yet be headed for the Christian and Corporate State that Dubya took us toward but only in baby steps.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 14, 2010, 12:29:00 PM
MO (Rasmussen):

45% Approve
55% Disapprove

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/missouri/toplines/toplines_2010_missouri_senate_july_13_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on July 14, 2010, 12:31:14 PM
MO

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on July 14, 2010, 01:21:32 PM
We may yet be headed for the Christian and Corporate State that Dubya took us toward but only in baby steps.

We're not there now?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl on July 14, 2010, 01:31:10 PM
Yay, New Hampshire! :D


We may yet be headed for the Christian and Corporate State that Dubya took us toward but only in baby steps.

There's nothing 'Christian' about the corporate oligarchy Bush and Obama faithfully serve.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 14, 2010, 01:44:29 PM
MO (Rasmussen):

45% Approve
55% Disapprove

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/missouri/toplines/toplines_2010_missouri_senate_july_13_2010)

Better than NH? Lol Rass.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 14, 2010, 02:13:20 PM


NH hard to believe... but how can I refute it?

 
MO (Rasmussen):

45% Approve
55% Disapprove

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/missouri/toplines/toplines_2010_missouri_senate_july_13_2010)

Better than NH? Lol Rass.

MO better than CO as well? Something is fishy.



(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

47 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 152
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  52
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  96
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  66
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 15, 2010, 12:41:36 AM
Maryland (PPP): 56-39

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_MD_714.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on July 15, 2010, 03:08:51 AM
Maryland (PPP): 56-39

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_MD_714.pdf

I guess he can still help O'Malley... if he chooses to.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 15, 2010, 08:39:11 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, -2.

Disapprove 54% +1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.

Still within range.


There seems to have been an overly pro-Obama sample earlier in the week.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 15, 2010, 12:24:38 PM
WI (Rasmussen): 49-50

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/wisconsin/toplines/toplines_wisconsin_senate_july_13_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 15, 2010, 02:15:10 PM
FOX News:

43% Approve
48% Disapprove

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/15/fox-news-poll-obama-job-approval-think-stimulus-helped/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on July 15, 2010, 02:20:36 PM
Why does Wisconsin seem to like Obama more than its neighbors, both in the primary and general elections, and now in the approval polls?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on July 15, 2010, 03:27:02 PM
Why does Wisconsin seem to like Obama more than its neighbors, both in the primary and general elections, and now in the approval polls?

Uh...the only state bordering Wisconsin where Obama is doing worse is Michigan.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on July 15, 2010, 07:05:56 PM
TX, MD, WI & DE

Rasmussen : DE: 49 / 48
Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/delaware/election_2010_delaware_senate)

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 15, 2010, 08:56:04 PM


Texas Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted July 13, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

   

25% Strongly approve

12% Somewhat approve

  7% Somewhat disapprove

56% Strongly disapprove

  0% Not sure

Wisconsin State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted July 13, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

28% Strongly approve
21% Somewhat approve
  8% Somewhat disapprove
42% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure

Delaware update.



(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

47 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.





(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 152
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  52
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  59
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  103
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 15, 2010, 08:58:06 PM
Does anyone want to predict what happens to polls after Wall Street Reform and the first stop of the gusher in the Gulf?

We shall see.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on July 15, 2010, 09:04:48 PM
Does anyone want to predict what happens to polls after Wall Street Reform and the first stop of the gusher in the Gulf?


Not much?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 15, 2010, 09:39:12 PM
FOX News:

43% Approve
48% Disapprove

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/15/fox-news-poll-obama-job-approval-think-stimulus-helped/

This amused me:
Do you think are more responsible for the current condition of the economy?
30% Democratic policies, 41% Republican policies, 21% both equally

Do you think are more likely to improve the condition of the country?
37% Democratic policies, 40% Republican policies, 9% both equally

So, Republican policies got America in its current state and Republican policies will fix it... sure, that makes sense...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on July 15, 2010, 09:42:38 PM
Does anyone want to predict what happens to polls after Wall Street Reform and the first stop of the gusher in the Gulf?

We shall see.

The change in the polls will probably be about the same as the change in the polls following the passage of Health Reform legislation.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl on July 15, 2010, 11:09:30 PM
FOX News:

43% Approve
48% Disapprove

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/15/fox-news-poll-obama-job-approval-think-stimulus-helped/

This amused me:
Do you think are more responsible for the current condition of the economy?
30% Democratic policies, 41% Republican policies, 21% both equally

Do you think are more likely to improve the condition of the country?
37% Democratic policies, 40% Republican policies, 9% both equally

So, Republican policies got America in its current state and Republican policies will fix it... sure, that makes sense...

Republocratic policies got us into this mess, and Republocratic policies will make it worse. However Americans keep falling for the same old lies and run back-and-forth between the two wings of the Republocrat party.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on July 16, 2010, 03:36:52 AM
TX, MD, WI & DE

Rasmussen : DE: 49 / 48
Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/delaware/election_2010_delaware_senate)

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


I'd laugh if he lost Biden's home state.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 16, 2010, 05:50:29 AM
Rasmussen polled Mississippi a few days ago - but only about oil.

Meh.

We could have seen the first approval rating there since Nov. 2008 !

>:(


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 16, 2010, 09:51:39 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, +1.

Disapprove 54% u.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, +1.

Still within range.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 16, 2010, 10:13:32 AM
WI (Univ. of Wisconsin Badger Poll):

Adults (500): 49-46
Likely Voters (297): 47-50

Results shown here are based on 500 persons who were randomly chosen within households with working landline telephone numbers and interviewed between June 9th and July 10th, 2010, inclusive. During this time period, the UWSC made 12,889 phone calls to 2,245 telephone numbers. Additionally, advance letters describing the survey and its procedures were sent to 800 households whose randomly chosen telephone numbers were matched to a known listed address. The response rate for this survey was 38.2%, as defined by the American Association of Public Opinion Research Response Rate 3. Calls were made between 9AM and 9PM Monday through Friday and between 10AM and 5PM on Saturday and from 12 noon to 9PM on Sunday. All telephone numbers were randomly generated by computer. The UWSC made up to 10 attempts on each number in order to confirm if it was a residential number, select an eligible respondent and/or to convert first time refusals. Approximately 51% of the 500 interviews were completed in the first two weeks of calling. Theoretically, results from this survey have a "margin of error" of a little over +/- 4%.

http://www.uwsc.wisc.edu/BP30PressRelease4_AppRatings.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 16, 2010, 10:28:25 AM
WI (Univ. of Wisconsin Badger Poll):

Adults (500): 49-46
Likely Voters (297): 47-50

They think there's gonna be 60% turnout? LOL


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 16, 2010, 10:29:48 AM
Does anyone want to predict what happens to polls after Wall Street Reform and the first stop of the gusher in the Gulf?

We shall see.

The change in the polls will probably be about the same as the change in the polls following the passage of Health Reform legislation.

In fact, the gusher in the Gulf tore at approval ratings for President Obama. I expect some rebound.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 16, 2010, 10:31:20 AM
Does anyone want to predict what happens to polls after Wall Street Reform and the first stop of the gusher in the Gulf?

We shall see.

The change in the polls will probably be about the same as the change in the polls following the passage of Health Reform legislation.

In fact, the gusher in the Gulf tore at approval ratings for President Obama. I expect some rebound.

To be fair, it wasn't so much the gusher as the awful response in that White House televised address.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 16, 2010, 12:43:12 PM
WA is 50-49 btw, according to Ras.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 16, 2010, 02:57:36 PM
Colorado is 45-55 (Rasmussen).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 16, 2010, 05:18:42 PM
Colorado Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted July 15, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

   29% Strongly approve
   16% Somewhat approve
      7% Somewhat disapprove
   48% Strongly disapprove
      0% Not sure

Washington State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted July 14, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

    28% Strongly approve
    22% Somewhat approve
      7% Somewhat disapprove
    42% Strongly disapprove
      1% Not sure



(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

47 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.



(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 161
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  52
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  50
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  103
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on July 16, 2010, 06:31:37 PM
I've been kind of lazy in doing the charts of state-by-state national averages, but here's the national numbers as of now:

All State Polls:  46% Approve, 50% Disapprove
Rasmussen (3-poll) Only:  48% Approve, 51% Disapprove
Rasmussen (1-poll) Only:  48% Approve, 52% Disapprove
Non-Rasmussen Only:  45% Approve, 49% Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on July 16, 2010, 06:35:19 PM
     Hmm, Rasmussen is showing the same margin as other pollsters; it is merely that the undecideds are basically nonexistent in the Rasmussen poll. I suppose this will have no effect on the (albeit relenting) Democratic narrative that Rasmussen is in the pocket of the Republican Party.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 17, 2010, 08:37:23 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 44%, -2.

Disapprove 55% +1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, u.

Upper edge of the range on the Strongly Approve number.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on July 17, 2010, 12:38:49 PM
Pbrower, I disagree with you on Colorado. 55% disapprove of Obama, with 48% of it being strongly approve. 48% are almost guaranteed to vote against Obama, while only 29% is guaranteed. That's be either slight Republican or toss-up, but certainly not slight Democratic.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on July 17, 2010, 12:54:55 PM
Pbrower, I disagree with you on Colorado. 55% disapprove of Obama, with 48% of it being strongly approve. 48% are almost guaranteed to vote against Obama, while only 29% is guaranteed. That's be either slight Republican or toss-up, but certainly not slight Democratic.
Well your forgetting to factor in the "plus six" rule so that bumps it to 51% that'll vote for him. Then we cannot forget the "age wave" which should add at least 10% more, leaving us with 61%. Now we must also remember that this is all before the Obama campaign starts to get in high gear, and Obama will be able to utilize Chicago's air hub, we could be looking at Colorado going more than 70% for the president.I don't understand why Pbrower doesn't have CO in a darker shade of red.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: #CriminalizeSobriety on July 17, 2010, 10:47:03 PM
Pbrower, I disagree with you on Colorado. 55% disapprove of Obama, with 48% of it being strongly approve. 48% are almost guaranteed to vote against Obama, while only 29% is guaranteed. That's be either slight Republican or toss-up, but certainly not slight Democratic.
Well your forgetting to factor in the "plus six" rule so that bumps it to 51% that'll vote for him. Then we cannot forget the "age wave" which should add at least 10% more, leaving us with 61%. Now we must also remember that this is all before the Obama campaign starts to get in high gear, and Obama will be able to utilize Chicago's air hub, we could be looking at Colorado going more than 70% for the president.I don't understand why Pbrower doesn't have CO in a darker shade of red.

That seems to be a little hackish towards the Republicans, no?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 18, 2010, 12:22:51 AM
Georgia (Mason-Dixon):

37% Approve
52% Disapprove

http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/071810/new_677548058.shtml


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on July 18, 2010, 12:24:39 AM
Georgia (Mason-Dixon):

37% Approve
52% Disapprove

http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/071810/new_677548058.shtml

tossup


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on July 18, 2010, 12:29:40 AM
CO, WA, WI, & GA

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on July 18, 2010, 08:02:25 AM
pbrower has his maps skewed in favor for democrats, it's freakin obvious he wants Obama to win or he'd cry a river like a baby.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 18, 2010, 08:48:05 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, +2.

Disapprove 54% -1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 18, 2010, 09:01:29 AM
pbrower has his maps skewed in favor for democrats, it's freakin obvious he wants Obama to win or he'd cry a river like a baby.

I confess that after both victories of George Worthless Bush I played the Reuqiem Mass of Giuseppe Verdi on my sound system. Some people have their ways of dealing with grief. A bad political scene does not begin with  the same inevitability as an elderly loved one with congestive heart failure.

 I have a right to be a partisan hack. I have a right to optimism on behalf of Democrats and pessimism on behalf of likely achievements of Republicans, especially those who exhibit an odd combination of deference toward wealth and corporate power and demagoguery that capitalizes on and promotes gross ignorance. Well, so does everyone else here, and I can understand that some GOP  supporters believe that if we all defer to corporate power, accept that rewards of pie in the sky are adequate compensation for economic insecurity and gross inequity, and that a twisting of language to support a political agenda has justification in any success is worth it. Most of us agree that major elections have consequences, and I see few neutrals here.

I see no evidence that the GOP has learned anything from its last episode of power except to be more secretive, stubborn, and ruthless.    


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 18, 2010, 10:49:22 AM
Pbrower, I disagree with you on Colorado. 55% disapprove of Obama, with 48% of it being strongly approve. 48% are almost guaranteed to vote against Obama, while only 29% is guaranteed. That's be either slight Republican or toss-up, but certainly not slight Democratic.
Well your forgetting to factor in the "plus six" rule so that bumps it to 51% that'll vote for him. Then we cannot forget the "age wave" which should add at least 10% more, leaving us with 61%. Now we must also remember that this is all before the Obama campaign starts to get in high gear, and Obama will be able to utilize Chicago's air hub, we could be looking at Colorado going more than 70% for the president.I don't understand why Pbrower doesn't have CO in a darker shade of red.

The "plus six" is well documented for incumbent Senators and Governors in electoral campaigns. It does not allow for any "age wave", and it has nothing to do with any air hub theory.  Incumbents, to be sure, can have campaigns that melt down (think of Senator George Allen in 2006); they might also start so far behind (Santorum, 2006; Corzine, 2009) that the usual advantages for an incumbent aren't strong enough to allow a recovery from a bad start. It might not be so strong for someone appointed to the position, which doesn't apply this time. I am not going to count on an age wave until I see it.

By having won  election beforehand, the incumbent has shown that he knows how to preside over a campaign. Running for election is ordinarily much like running for election the first time. Does anyone question that the the Obama campaign mastered electoral mechanics in 2008? Does anyone question that the re-election campaign of 2012 wouldn't do much the same? Does anyone believe that those electoral mechanics will be less effective in 2012? I am not asking whether you believe that President Obama is such a failure (that he is the New Jimmy Carter) that no brilliant methods of campaigning will rescue him in 2012.

Successful incumbents do not ordinarily have a primary challenge that gives  copious material for negative campaigning on the Other Side. Any rising star in the Democratic party -- let us say a red-meat populist -- is going to wait for 2016. We all saw 2008. We saw that even though he seemed to be a reasonably-easy target for just about any imaginable GOP nominee in 2008  he found ways in which to establish support for him. He got almost all of those who supported Hillary Clinton in the primaries. Polls suggested that he was doing less than well-enough-to-win in states like Michigan, New Hampshire, and Pennsylvania that he absolutely had to win to have a chance. He solidified his support there and then went on to other places. Then he went on to campaign in places like Colorado, Ohio, Nevada, new Mexico, Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, Indiana (!!!), Missouri, Montana, and Georgia where polls seemed to indicate that he had a chance.  He won enough.

He didn't pile up support in places like Michigan and Pennsylvania, and he didn't make vain efforts to win Kansas or Alabama.  I expect much the same. perhaps with a different cast of states.  If he is still doing badly in Colorado or North Carolina and has no chance there but has good chances in Ohio, then he's going to spend lots of time in Ohio. Then again if Tennessee seems like a good place to campaign, then he will be there, and so will be the TV, radio, and billboard ads.

The 6%+ model is actually muted in two ways: first, that I don't expect him to try to campaign where polls suggest that he has an approval rating below 40%, so I give him nothing there; second, that I see him pulling out of any state when he has a comfortable 10% lead. The model indicates that a Governor or Senator who has a sub-40% approval rating goes to desperate efforts to win his state for lack of alternative strategies and that if his approval is around 60% he sticks around and piles up the percentages. The model mutes the high end in that he is not going to try to win 80% of the vote in Vermont or even 60% of the vote in Michigan while losing the election on the whole. My model says that if he has an approval rating of 51% in Iowa in April 2012 he isn't going to win 57%, but instead something like 54%.

Note well the lesson of 2000: the popular vote does not decide the election; the popular votes in the individual states do.

The critical area for deciding whether President Obama and his campaign put early efforts into a state can be predicted by early poll numbers:

40% or lower: Don't try. Other places are more fruitful. Losing 60-39 and losing 53-46 have much the same consequences, and losing 53-46 is no good. There's just not enough time in which to change political attitudes, and if you didn't do so in three years, you won't do so in six months. (Texas)

41-42% -- make token effort in case it works. Maybe you won the state in 2008; there might be some magic left. There might be a positive trend to exploit. See how things turn out; you may need to pull resources away toward something else. You might also pour in resources late or give up when efforts seem futile (the difference between North Carolina and North Dakota in 2008).

43% to 46%  -- the gray area.  In a close election, these are the states that decide victory or defeat. The football coach in every good politician comes to the fore: the extra effort may be enough to win. More resources include appearances with a Governor or Senator who needs some help. Sometimes a politician has a logistical advantage to exploit (probably the difference between Indiana 2008 and Indiana 2012). There might be a demographic trend, and there might be constituencies drifting away from the Other Side. In what ends up a close election, a few such states could be vital. (Colorado is in this area)

50% of the vote is a sure win; it is possible to win with 49%+ (IN, NC; MO and MT were near-misses). There will be third-party candidates, and winning or losing a particular may depend  upon campaigning to cut into support to third-party candidates on one's side of the spectrum (for Obama, Nader in 2008) and treating those who might undercut the main opponent (Barr, 2008) with kid gloves.

47%-49%. It doesn't take much to win a state in this area outright. An incumbent is a proven candidate -- for better or worse. This model assumes that the incumbent knows what he is doing as a campaigner.  The last four Presidents to have no experience in statewide office or the Senate (Hoover, Eisenhower, Ford, G. H. W. Bush) got into the Presidency after facing weak or severely-flawed opposition or got to the Presidency with a series of weird events. Not that it wouldn't have helped him much, Hoover was not the ebullient character that he needed to be to defeat FDR even without the worst economic meltdown in history. Eisenhower did little campaigning in 1956 and didn't need to; I figure that his popularity was in the mid-fifties throughout most of his first term and that's about how he did in the popular vote in 1956, did little campaigning and went nowhere in the popular vote (which was adequate). Ford didn't learn fast enough how to campaign to preserve his Presidency; he was gaining on Carter and ran short of time. The elder Bush? No idea of what to do in a Second Act.

The incumbent usually has an advantage and can turn near-50% approval into 50% of the vote.  Michigan.

50%-53%? In a close election the incumbent won't try to run up the voting percentage in such places. If things go wrong he take desperate rearguard actions that probably lose votes elsewhere. But he's not going to try to raise a 53% approval into 60% of the vote. 55% of the vote is safe enough.  Minnesota.

54% or more? He is probably winning in a blowout anyway at least in that state.  New York.

   

   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 18, 2010, 12:17:56 PM
Believe it or not, Mississippi - with no poll since Nov. 2008 - checks in:

Rasmussen:

37% Approve
60% Disapprove

(Gov. Haley Barbour)

70% Approve
28% Disapprove

The survey of 500 Likely Voters in Mississippi was conducted on July 12, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/mississippi/toplines/toplines_mississippi_governor_approval_july_12_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on July 18, 2010, 12:22:48 PM
MS

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 18, 2010, 12:31:29 PM
Gallup, like Rasmussen, is also up for the second day now:

49% Approve (+5)
44% Disapprove (-4)

Maybe because the oil well is closed, but we need to wait a few more days to evaluate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 18, 2010, 01:40:44 PM
Gallup, like Rasmussen, is also up for the second day now:

49% Approve (+5)
44% Disapprove (-4)

Maybe because the oil well is closed, but we need to wait a few more days to evaluate.

Yesterday, the 'bots had him down.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 18, 2010, 02:42:25 PM
Georgia, Mississippi updates


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

48 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 161
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  52
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  34
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  126
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 19, 2010, 10:12:46 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 52% -2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, u.


There could be some pro-Obama movement or statistical noise; we've seen two days of moderately better numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 19, 2010, 12:17:27 PM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 52% -2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, u.


There could be some pro-Obama movement or statistical noise; we've seen two days of moderately better numbers.

It could be the reduction of political tension over the end of the blowout in the Gulf. So far it looks at most like a rebound. Any ringing endorsement of President Obama yet to arrive, if ever, comes later. I'm not sure that President Obama could do much, as the solution to the gusher was one of engineering and not of politics. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 19, 2010, 12:31:56 PM
Alaska Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted July 15, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly

approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been

doing?

  

    26% Strongly approve

    14% Somewhat approve

      7% Somewhat disapprove

    51% Strongly disapprove

      1% Not sure

...Better than expected in Alaska.

Connecticut State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted July 15, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

32% Strongly approve
22% Somewhat approve
  8% Somewhat disapprove
37% Strongly disapprove
  2% Not sure


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

48 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 161
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  52
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  37
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  123
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 20, 2010, 12:11:39 AM
Maine (Rasmussen): 50-49

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/maine/toplines/toplines_maine_governor_july_14_2010)

Arkansas (Magellan Strategies-R): 26-69

http://www.magellanstrategies.com/web/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Magellan-AR-US-Senate-Kagan-Nomination-Press-Release-071910.pdf

Nebraska (Magellan Strategies-R): 30-63

http://www.magellanstrategies.com/web/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Magellan-NE-2012-US-Senate-Kagan-Nomination-Survey-Press-Release-071910.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 20, 2010, 12:21:41 AM
PA (Rasmussen): 45-54

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/pennsylvania/2010_senate_election/toplines/toplines_pennsylvania_senate_july_14_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 20, 2010, 12:42:23 AM
NJ (Monmouth University):

Adults: 52-42

Registered Voters: 51-42

http://www.monmouth.edu/polling/admin/polls/MUP34_3.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on July 20, 2010, 12:50:58 AM
Arkansas has earned its own category,
AR, ME, PA, NE, NJ, & AK

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Arkansas - Dark Blue
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Following in Pbrower's footsteps, I'll post a incumbant re-election map
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Light blue - lean GOP
Blue - even leanier GOP
Dark blue -  Obama, just give up on.

Light red - On the verge of voting GOP
Red - Safe Obama
Dark red - Bad samples of polls

Grey seceded


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 20, 2010, 09:34:50 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, -1.

Disapprove 53% +1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, +1.


The moderately better numbers were just noise.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 20, 2010, 11:06:24 AM
Idaho Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted July 15, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

    18% Strongly approve
    14% Somewhat approve
      7% Somewhat disapprove
    61% Strongly disapprove
      0% Not sure

AR, NE updates as well. It's safe to assume that NE-03 is even more Republican-leaning than Nebraska than the whole -- probably about as much as Wyoming. Hint: Dick Cheney was born there. For lack of precision about districts that do not vote alike, I will give only the poll result for NE-03 as well as the statewide poll in the top map of polls and project that President Obama would lose NE-01 by at least 10%.

NE-01 votes like Texas.
NE-02 votes like Indiana.
NE-03 votes like Wyoming.



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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-44% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

49 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House. The exception is Montana among the states. DC has yet to be polled. .



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 161
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  52
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  37
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  127
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 20, 2010, 12:45:15 PM
OH (Rasmussen): 46-54

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/ohio/toplines/toplines_ohio_senate_i_july_19_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 20, 2010, 12:49:46 PM
FL (PPP): 45-49

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_FL_720.pdf

NV (PPP): 44-52

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NV_720.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 20, 2010, 12:58:11 PM
WI (Magellan Strategies): 41-52

http://www.magellanstrategies.com/web/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Magellan-Wisconsin-US-Senate-Elena-Kagan-Survey-Press-Release-072010.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 20, 2010, 01:28:25 PM
Here's a good reason to avoid using polls by Magellan Strategies in maps of approval:

http://www.magellanstrategies.com/index.php/about/company-info

Quote
Magellan Data and Mapping Strategies, LLC is a data, information, and technology consulting firm founded in November of 2006. The vision of Magellan is to empower our clients with information derived from data and technology, and to facilitate better decision making in the business, government affairs and political arenas. The principals of Magellan have extensive experience in the application of multiple statistical, survey research and data management technologies since 1991.

The Magellan team is a deep and experienced group of individuals with career backgrounds working for the Republican National Committee, political campaigns, state parties, survey research firms, government affairs firms, and conservative grassroots organizations. Our principals have managed some of the most challenging data and technology projects for the Republican Party and conservative movement in the past 18 years. In today’s business and political environment, successful organizations understand how to use data and technology to make better decisions and be more effective in everything they do. Our vision is to provide our clients with the best data technology and information available so they can achieve their goals and objectives.


You can trust that I will not be using their polls on my maps.
 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 20, 2010, 01:43:02 PM
Magellan polls removed, Arkansas and Nebraska.  See the previous post for the reason.  FL, OH, NV polls by PPP and Rasmussen recognized

March poll dropped for Nebraska, and it is shown in 40% color once to show the visual contrast between 30%, 40%, and 50% yellow in it and neighboring states. I doubt that anyone believes that Obama's support in Nebraska is anywhere near 44% (it's probably in the high 30s).



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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

48 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House (not counting a poll by a near-affiliate of the GOP in Nebraska. The exception is Montana among the states. DC has yet to be polled.



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 133
white                        too close to call  6
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  52
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  37
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  127
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......


Note that I have just added a level of support of 44% to fit the "too close to call category".


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 20, 2010, 01:50:38 PM
Here's a good reason to avoid using polls by Magellan Strategies in maps of approval:

http://www.magellanstrategies.com/index.php/about/company-info

Quote
Magellan Data and Mapping Strategies, LLC is a data, information, and technology consulting firm founded in November of 2006. The vision of Magellan is to empower our clients with information derived from data and technology, and to facilitate better decision making in the business, government affairs and political arenas. The principals of Magellan have extensive experience in the application of multiple statistical, survey research and data management technologies since 1991.

The Magellan team is a deep and experienced group of individuals with career backgrounds working for the Republican National Committee, political campaigns, state parties, survey research firms, government affairs firms, and conservative grassroots organizations. Our principals have managed some of the most challenging data and technology projects for the Republican Party and conservative movement in the past 18 years. In today’s business and political environment, successful organizations understand how to use data and technology to make better decisions and be more effective in everything they do. Our vision is to provide our clients with the best data technology and information available so they can achieve their goals and objectives.


You can trust that I will not be using their polls on my maps.
 

To be fair, since it's an (R) pollster and excluded, i'm just gonna point out that PPP is a (D) pollster...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on July 20, 2010, 02:07:00 PM
Quote
The Magellan team is a deep and experienced group of individuals with career backgrounds working for the Republican National Committee, political campaigns, state parties, survey research firms, government affairs firms, and conservative grassroots organizations. Our principals have managed some of the most challenging data and technology projects for the Republican Party and conservative movement in the past 18 years. In today’s business and political environment, successful organizations understand how to use data and technology to make better decisions and be more effective in everything they do. Our vision is to provide our clients with the best data technology and information available so they can achieve their goals and objectives.

You can trust that I will not be using their polls on my maps.
 

Phew, thank goodness. For a moment there, I was worried your maps might get infiltrated with partisan bias.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 20, 2010, 07:28:47 PM
OK, a legitimate poll for Nebraska:

   Nebraska State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted July 19, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

18% Strongly approve
16% Somewhat approve
15% Somewhat disapprove
51% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure

....

NE-03 is one of the most GOP-leaning districts in the US; NE-01 is fairly close to Nebraska as a whole in its voting, and NE-02 votes about 8% less R than the state as a whole.

Minnesota State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted July 19, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

32% Strongly approve
17% Somewhat approve
12% Somewhat disapprove
38% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

49 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House (not counting a poll by a near-affiliate of the GOP now including a valid poll in Nebraska. The exception is Montana among the states. DC has yet to be polled.



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 133
white                        too close to call  6
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  52
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  38
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  131
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......


Note that I have just added a level of support of 44% to fit the "too close to call category".


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on July 20, 2010, 11:53:50 PM
That map is looking better everyday. Will the GOP win it back? Yes we can!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 21, 2010, 12:53:52 AM
MN (FOX News 9/Rasmussen): 49-50

http://media2.myfoxtwincities.com/docs/ToplinesMNGovernorJuly192010.doc


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 21, 2010, 07:16:31 AM
That map is looking better everyday. Will the GOP win it back? Yes we can!

The GOP has much convincing to do -- mainly in convincing people that the best of all possible worlds is one in which they are peons and a few people can live like sultans.

Be careful in what you wish for; you might not like what you wish for. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on July 21, 2010, 07:56:01 AM
Be careful in what you wish for; you might not like what you wish for. 

You are wise beyond your wise.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on July 21, 2010, 08:29:18 AM
That map is looking better everyday. Will the GOP win it back? Yes we can!
Be careful in what you wish for; you might not like what you wish for.  
What I wish for is to put pbrower on ignore cause he's annoying.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 21, 2010, 09:03:21 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 53% u.


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 21, 2010, 10:28:54 AM
GA (Rasmussen): (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/georgia/toplines/toplines_georgia_likely_voters_july_13_2010) 41-58

KY (Rasmussen): (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/kentucky/toplines/toplines_2010_kentucky_senate_july_20_2010) 42-58

Quinnipiac: 44-48

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1478


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 21, 2010, 10:52:47 AM
Kentucky Survey of 750 Likely Voters

Conducted July 20, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President … do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

25% Strongly approve
17% Somewhat approve
10% Somewhat disapprove
48% Strongly disapprove
   1% Not sure

(That's very close to how Kentucky voted in 2008, which says something, even before any assumptions that a campaign season would give any advantages to the incumbent)

Georgia Survey of 1,500 Likely Voters
Conducted July 13, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

31% Strongly approve
10% Somewhat approve
  7% Somewhat disapprove
51% Strongly disapprove
  0% Not sure

(Not far off from the 2008 election even without any assumptions of a dynamic advantage for an incumbent President).

Should President Obama get 42% of the vote in Kentucky in 2012, then things are probably much like 2008. Should President Obama get 48% of the vote in Kentucky, then the GOP will be in deep trouble in 2012.




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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

49 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House (not counting a poll by a near-affiliate of the GOP now including a valid poll in Nebraska. The exception is Montana among the states. DC has yet to be polled.



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 133
white                        too close to call  6
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  60
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  54
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  107
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......


Note that I have just added a level of support of 44% to fit the "too close to call category".



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 21, 2010, 11:03:14 AM
(Not far off from the 2008 election even without any assumptions of a dynamic advantage for an incumbent President).

Should President Obama get 42% of the vote in Kentucky in 2012, then things are probably much like 2008. Should President Obama get 48% of the vote in Kentucky, then the GOP will be in deep trouble in 2012.

You fail to see that Obama is currently in big trouble in all swing states. He has negative approvals in every state there (except maybe Iowa), which is an indicator that he has a problem with Independents. Kentucky and Georgia don´t matter, the race is not won there. Obama has to improve his numbers in these states in the coming 2 years, because winning the Kerry states plus IA, NM and NV won´t be enough for 2012 due to re-alignment of the electoral college (269-269 tie). He`ll need 1 more state than in 2008 to win, like CO, OH, VA or FL.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on July 21, 2010, 11:19:44 AM
(Not far off from the 2008 election even without any assumptions of a dynamic advantage for an incumbent President).

Should President Obama get 42% of the vote in Kentucky in 2012, then things are probably much like 2008. Should President Obama get 48% of the vote in Kentucky, then the GOP will be in deep trouble in 2012.

You fail to see that Obama is currently in big trouble in all swing states. He has negative approvals in every state there (except maybe Iowa), which is an indicator that he has a problem with Independents. Kentucky and Georgia don´t matter, the race is not won there. Obama has to improve his numbers in these states in the coming 2 years, because winning the Kerry states plus IA, NM and NV won´t be enough for 2012 due to re-alignment of the electoral college (269-269 tie). He`ll need 1 more state than in 2008 to win, like CO, OH, VA or FL.

You can't tell him that, he can't see anything besides the inside of Obama's butt.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on July 21, 2010, 12:44:05 PM
Kentucky Survey of 750 Likely Voters

Conducted July 20, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President … do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

25% Strongly approve
17% Somewhat approve
10% Somewhat disapprove
48% Strongly disapprove
   1% Not sure

(That's very close to how Kentucky voted in 2008, which says something, even before any assumptions that a campaign season would give any advantages to the incumbent)

Georgia Survey of 1,500 Likely Voters
Conducted July 13, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

31% Strongly approve
10% Somewhat approve
  7% Somewhat disapprove
51% Strongly disapprove
  0% Not sure

(Not far off from the 2008 election even without any assumptions of a dynamic advantage for an incumbent President).

Should President Obama get 42% of the vote in Kentucky in 2012, then things are probably much like 2008. Should President Obama get 48% of the vote in Kentucky, then the GOP will be in deep trouble in 2012.




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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

49 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House (not counting a poll by a near-affiliate of the GOP now including a valid poll in Nebraska. The exception is Montana among the states. DC has yet to be polled.



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 133
white                        too close to call  6
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  60
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  54
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  107
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......


Note that I have just added a level of support of 44% to fit the "too close to call category".



Are you delusional or stuck inside Obama's rear end like Obama is himself? What is wrong with you? How is being at 46% and struggling now in his home state of IL, CA, WA, and the fact he would lose DE good for Obama?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on July 21, 2010, 01:02:46 PM
ID, OH, FL, NV, WI, MN, GA, KY

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Arkansas - Dark Blue
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on July 21, 2010, 01:08:01 PM
I looked at Bush's approval ratings around the 2004 election and his approval ratings were around 50% the same percentage he won in the election...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on July 21, 2010, 01:17:35 PM
Trying to avoid any partisan bias/hackishness

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This model applies to absolutely nobody as we are 2 years out from election night 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on July 21, 2010, 02:27:42 PM
Trying to avoid any partisan bias/hackishness

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This model applies to absolutely nobody as we are 2 years out from election night 2012.
*Scratches head*

Oregon is a swing state?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on July 21, 2010, 02:43:19 PM
Trying to avoid any partisan bias/hackishness

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This model applies to absolutely nobody as we are 2 years out from election night 2012.
*Scratches head*

Oregon is a swing state?
His approvals havent been exactly high there, but the map doesn't mean anything as we are too far out from 2012 to have an idea of what it will look like.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on July 21, 2010, 02:56:18 PM
I like how CO and NM are surrounded by all REP states, makes you wonder how those two became swing states. Well, for one people bring their dumb politics around wherever they go. You think AZ and CO are the same politically, but that's not the case with the maps we have here.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on July 21, 2010, 02:58:39 PM
I like how CO and NM are surrounded by all REP states, makes you wonder how those two became swing states. Well, for one people bring their dumb politics around wherever they go.

Denver is the main reason Colorado is a toss-up. Due to its central geographic location, it has sort of become a general hub of the region, thus attracting all sorts of people. Not to mention the ski counties.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on July 21, 2010, 03:00:10 PM
I like how CO and NM are surrounded by all REP states, makes you wonder how those two became swing states. Well, for one people bring their dumb politics around wherever they go.

Denver is the main reason Colorado is a toss-up. Due to its central geographic location, it has sort of become a general hub of the region, thus attracting all sorts of people. Not to mention the ski counties.
I guarantee you if Denver hasnt become so liberal, it wouldnt be so bad to live here but I miss the early 80s before it just blew up. Hell, I live 20 minutes north of the city but the traffic is crazy.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 21, 2010, 05:31:58 PM
I like how CO and NM are surrounded by all REP states, makes you wonder how those two became swing states. Well, for one people bring their dumb politics around wherever they go. You think AZ and CO are the same politically, but that's not the case with the maps we have here.

Utah has far more Mormons. Colorado and New Mexico both have large Hispanic populations, in contrast to Kansas, Nebraska, Wyoming, and Utah. Arizona has more retirees, now a relatively R-leaning bunch.

Colorado did shift R in the 1990s because of conservatives from Southern California relocating there. Of course they brought their kids along, and their kids now vote -- but not especially R.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 22, 2010, 12:43:47 AM
WA (SurveyUSA):

43/44% Approve (article says 43%, video says 44%)
53% Disapprove

http://www.king5.com/news/politics/McGinns-approval-ratings-rise-Gregoires-fall-in-new-poll-98973309.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on July 22, 2010, 01:20:11 AM
WA??? this is surprising, I'm just gonna pretend it is slightly higher, until another poll is released confirming this.
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Arkansas - Dark Blue
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on July 22, 2010, 03:34:41 AM
WA??? this is surprising, I'm just gonna pretend it is slightly higher, until another poll is released confirming this.
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Arkansas - Dark Blue
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

WOW WA is about as left wing as CA.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on July 22, 2010, 03:40:22 AM
http://(
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This represents his approval ratings.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on July 22, 2010, 04:25:21 AM
WOW WA is about as left wing as CA.

I'm not entirely sure on this poll, but realize WA is a different type of left than CA.  They tend to be more socially Liberal rather than fiscally Liberal outside of Seattle proper, so it could be that Obama's fiscal liberalism is hurting him among some of the Seattle Suburbanites.

This is contrasted to say, where I live, where the political center is roughly between "kill the Rich" and "just imprison the rich".

It also might be that he's losing center-left White voters, as California is much browner than Washington and voters here might just be supporting him on racial rather than direct political lines.

Although "outlier poll" is still the most likely explanation


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 22, 2010, 08:12:10 AM

Idaho Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted July 15, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

       18% Strongly approve
       14% Somewhat approve
         7% Somewhat disapprove
       61% Strongly disapprove
         0% Not sure

No surprise there.

New York State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted July 20, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

            31% Strongly approve
            22% Somewhat approve
            11% Somewhat disapprove
            34% Strongly disapprove
              2% Not sure




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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

49 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House (not counting a poll by a near-affiliate of the GOP now including a valid poll in Nebraska. The exception is Montana among the states. DC has yet to be polled.



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  158
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  45
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 133
white                        too close to call  6
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  60
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  54
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  107
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......


Note that I have just added a level of support of 44% to fit the "too close to call category".




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 22, 2010, 08:15:08 AM
WA (SurveyUSA):

43/44% Approve (article says 43%, video says 44%)
53% Disapprove

http://www.king5.com/news/politics/McGinns-approval-ratings-rise-Gregoires-fall-in-new-poll-98973309.html

SurveyUSA polls usually get repudiated quickly.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 22, 2010, 08:50:46 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 44%, -2.

Disapprove 55% +2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, u.


Still well within range.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 22, 2010, 11:00:33 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 44%, -2.

Disapprove 55% +2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, u.

The oddity with Rasmussen's national poll is that the state polls don't fit at 44% nationwide. A poll a couple days ago in Kentucky was close to that.


Still well within range.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 22, 2010, 12:42:21 PM
FL (Rasmussen): (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/florida/toplines/toplines_florida_senate_july_21_2010) 47-52

GA (Rasmussen): (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/georgia/toplines/toplines_georgia_governor_july_21_2010) 41-57

AR (Rasmussen): (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/arkansas/toplines/toplines_arkansas_governor_july_20_2010) 34-65


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: old timey villain on July 22, 2010, 01:24:51 PM
Georgia is not as bad as it could be. If I recall he had a 41% approval rating a few months ago and it's held steady.The changing demographics of Georgia bode well for the Democrats and Obama, but he would certainly lose the state today. 2012 is a different story though...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: old timey villain on July 22, 2010, 01:37:31 PM
P.S. (liberal soapbox) I don't understand why the voters in Arkansas, one of the poorest states in the nation, are so against a healthcare plan that will finally give many of them healthcare  coverage and favor cutting spending, which would likely end manysocial programs that benefit Arkansans. It makes me think that the people there don't like Barack Obama, for various reasons, and will oppose anything that they feel represents him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on July 22, 2010, 01:42:36 PM
P.S. (liberal soapbox) I don't understand why the voters in Arkansas, one of the poorest states in the nation, are so against a healthcare plan that will finally give many of them healthcare  coverage and favor cutting spending, which would likely end manysocial programs that benefit Arkansans. It makes me think that the people there don't like Barack Obama, for various reasons, and will oppose anything that they feel represents him.

It could just be because of a genuine philosophical concern with a program that results in an expansion of the government's power and budget. A lot of conservatives want small government, even at the expense of programs that may benefit them.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 22, 2010, 04:26:26 PM
Georgia is not as bad as it could be. If I recall he had a 41% approval rating a few months ago and it's held steady.The changing demographics of Georgia bode well for the Democrats and Obama, but he would certainly lose the state today. 2012 is a different story though...

More significantly, the President has powers that allow him -- if he is at all competent -- to shape the legislative agenda.  He can choose his public appearances largely to his advantage. He can ride the economy and exploit positive changes in foreign policy and any military victories even if he has little involvement in either.

Some people will vote for any incumbent President who seems effective in getting his agenda passed. Nobody can deny his effectiveness at getting health care reform and Wall Street reform passed. He made his promises on legislation and he achieved them. People who disliked their substance before them aren't  likely to change their minds. But all in all, incumbents generally gain about 6-7% vote share from the beginning of the campaign season to November.

Georgia had an unusual voting pattern for a state so close in the 2008 election: voters under 30 actually voted more than half for John McCain, something rare in any state. As an example, Obama won the under-30 vote in Texas about 55-45, nearly the opposite for the state as a whole. Probable explanation:  Georgia has a large military presence, and the military -- heavily people under 30 -- likely voted for the war hero. Even without a war hero, young soldiers are likely to be conservative-leaning for youth. Although black and Hispanic soldiers might   be close to political cross sections of their ethnic communities, white soldiers are likely to be more politically conservative than non-soldiers.

The GOP nominee of 2012 will not be a war hero, and should things finally go right for America in Afghanistan and Iraq, then President Obama will get the credit. I can't guess how much of a gain that might offer to the President, but it might be enough to swing Georgia.

P.S. (liberal soapbox) I don't understand why the voters in Arkansas, one of the poorest states in the nation, are so against a healthcare plan that will finally give many of them healthcare  coverage and favor cutting spending, which would likely end manysocial programs that benefit Arkansans. It makes me think that the people there don't like Barack Obama, for various reasons, and will oppose anything that they feel represents him.

Arkansas is one of five states [Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Tennessee, West Virginia]  that Bill Clinton won but Obama lost by large margins. It could be that Barack Obama is the wrong sort of Democrat to win any of those states. Moderate Southern  populists (Carter, Clinton) might still be able to win those states; purer liberals can't. Protestant Christian fundamentalism is strong in Arkansas, and the state is home to Wal-Mart, a staunchly Republican corporation.

The usual common wisdom that poor, undereducated people reliably vote Democratic and well-off, well-educated people vote reliably  Republican is no longer true. The New York Times had an Election Key that explained county-by-county votes by such factors as religion, income, education, population density, and ethnicity.  The poorest counties in America voted heavily for Obama if the populations were heavily black, Latino, or Native American but for McCain if they were predominantly-white.  In contrast, some of the counties with the highest incomes (like Westchester, New York; Marin, California; San Mateo, California; Loudoun, Virginia; Fairfax, Virginia; Prince George's, Maryland) voted heavily for Obama. Religion mattered greatly; areas with large numbers of Christian Fundamentalists (if not black) voted firmly for McCain.

One of the strongest correlations was to population density. With few exceptions, like Monmouth Co., NJ; Richmond, NY (Staten Island); Orange, CA; and Tarrant, TX, communities with high population density voted for Obama -- often in overwhelming numbers. Comparatively small communities such as some of Virginia's "independent cities" tended to vote for Obama.

OK -- Obama concentrated his efforts heavily in urban and suburban America, in contrast to Sarah Palin stuck to the "Real America". As President Obama shows, the voters are where the concrete is. John McCain won rural, white, Fundamentalist America. Such might have been a good strategy ninety years ago -- but this is no longer 1918. Barack Obama recognized that the divide between urban and suburban America isn't as obvious as it used to be. 

McCain/Palin won heavily in rural America and of course in largely the most rural of states. That includes Arkansas. Of course if President Obama's health care reforms make medical care more accessible to the working poor. rural and urban, then he wins a landslide in 2012. But we can't predict that now.       


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on July 22, 2010, 05:05:20 PM
WOW WA is about as left wing as CA.

I'm not entirely sure on this poll, but realize WA is a different type of left than CA.  They tend to be more socially Liberal rather than fiscally Liberal outside of Seattle proper, so it could be that Obama's fiscal liberalism is hurting him among some of the Seattle Suburbanites.

This is contrasted to say, where I live, where the political center is roughly between "kill the Rich" and "just imprison the rich".

It also might be that he's losing center-left White voters, as California is much browner than Washington and voters here might just be supporting him on racial rather than direct political lines.

Although "outlier poll" is still the most likely explanation

Well, I've always viewed the left coast as the Hollywood, hippie wing of the democrat party. They are both in play for 2012 at this point though lol.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bo on July 22, 2010, 07:22:43 PM
WOW WA is about as left wing as CA.

I'm not entirely sure on this poll, but realize WA is a different type of left than CA.  They tend to be more socially Liberal rather than fiscally Liberal outside of Seattle proper, so it could be that Obama's fiscal liberalism is hurting him among some of the Seattle Suburbanites.

This is contrasted to say, where I live, where the political center is roughly between "kill the Rich" and "just imprison the rich".

It also might be that he's losing center-left White voters, as California is much browner than Washington and voters here might just be supporting him on racial rather than direct political lines.

Although "outlier poll" is still the most likely explanation

Well, I've always viewed the left coast as the Hollywood, hippie wing of the democrat party. They are both in play for 2012 at this point though lol.

Obama won't lose CA or WA in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on July 23, 2010, 01:27:12 AM
WOW WA is about as left wing as CA.

I'm not entirely sure on this poll, but realize WA is a different type of left than CA.  They tend to be more socially Liberal rather than fiscally Liberal outside of Seattle proper, so it could be that Obama's fiscal liberalism is hurting him among some of the Seattle Suburbanites.

This is contrasted to say, where I live, where the political center is roughly between "kill the Rich" and "just imprison the rich".

It also might be that he's losing center-left White voters, as California is much browner than Washington and voters here might just be supporting him on racial rather than direct political lines.

Although "outlier poll" is still the most likely explanation

Well, I've always viewed the left coast as the Hollywood, hippie wing of the democrat party. They are both in play for 2012 at this point though lol.

Obama won't lose CA or WA in 2012.

What ABOUT THE CURRENT TRENDS makes you say that?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 23, 2010, 07:47:38 AM
Rhode Island State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted July 21, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

31% Strongly approve
19% Somewhat approve
16% Somewhat disapprove
34% Strongly disapprove
  0% Not sure

Slipping.  It could also be that the wild margins by which Barack Obama won in New England in 2008 are unsustainable.

Arkansas Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted July 20, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

17% Strongly approve
17% Somewhat approve
  9% Somewhat disapprove
56% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure




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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

49 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.  The exception is Montana among the states. DC has yet to be polled.



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  154
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  49
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 133
white                        too close to call  6
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  60
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  54
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  107
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......


Note that I have just added a level of support of 44% to fit the "too close to call category".




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on July 23, 2010, 08:06:41 AM
Georgia is not as bad as it could be. If I recall he had a 41% approval rating a few months ago and it's held steady.The changing demographics of Georgia bode well for the Democrats and Obama, but he would certainly lose the state today. 2012 is a different story though...

More significantly, the President has powers that allow him -- if he is at all competent -- to shape the legislative agenda.  He can choose his public appearances largely to his advantage. He can ride the economy and exploit positive changes in foreign policy and any military victories even if he has little involvement in either.

Or he could take a historic, public-perception-shaping moment, like the signing of an unemployment extension bill, and muddy it with a bizarre fired/not fired saga over racial discrimination from the 1980s.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 23, 2010, 08:50:49 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 43%, -1.

Disapprove 55% +2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, u.

Sill within range, though there is some slumping of Obama's numbers.  Noise?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 23, 2010, 12:59:41 PM
WV (Rasmussen): (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/west_virginia/toplines/toplines_west_virginia_special_senate_election_july_22_2010) 32-67

AZ (Rasmussen): (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/arizona/toplines/toplines_arizona_governor_july_21_2010) 42-58


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 23, 2010, 01:39:46 PM
Arizona State Survey of 1,200 Likely Voters
Conducted July 21, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

   

26% Strongly approve

16% Somewhat approve

8% Somewhat disapprove

50% Strongly disapprove

1% Not sure




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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

49 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.  The exception is Montana among the states. DC has yet to be polled.



(
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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  154
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  49
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 133
white                        too close to call  6
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  71
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  54
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  96
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bo on July 23, 2010, 01:47:07 PM
WOW WA is about as left wing as CA.

I'm not entirely sure on this poll, but realize WA is a different type of left than CA.  They tend to be more socially Liberal rather than fiscally Liberal outside of Seattle proper, so it could be that Obama's fiscal liberalism is hurting him among some of the Seattle Suburbanites.

This is contrasted to say, where I live, where the political center is roughly between "kill the Rich" and "just imprison the rich".

It also might be that he's losing center-left White voters, as California is much browner than Washington and voters here might just be supporting him on racial rather than direct political lines.

Although "outlier poll" is still the most likely explanation

Well, I've always viewed the left coast as the Hollywood, hippie wing of the democrat party. They are both in play for 2012 at this point though lol.

Obama won't lose CA or WA in 2012.

What ABOUT THE CURRENT TRENDS makes you say that?

I live in California. In Orange County, a swing area. Obama and the Democrats are still pretty popular here, and many people here still remember how the GOP screwed over our country and economy under Bush Jr. It would take a second Great Depression for the Republicans to win California and Washington in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on July 23, 2010, 02:38:34 PM
WOW WA is about as left wing as CA.

I'm not entirely sure on this poll, but realize WA is a different type of left than CA.  They tend to be more socially Liberal rather than fiscally Liberal outside of Seattle proper, so it could be that Obama's fiscal liberalism is hurting him among some of the Seattle Suburbanites.

This is contrasted to say, where I live, where the political center is roughly between "kill the Rich" and "just imprison the rich".

It also might be that he's losing center-left White voters, as California is much browner than Washington and voters here might just be supporting him on racial rather than direct political lines.

Although "outlier poll" is still the most likely explanation

Well, I've always viewed the left coast as the Hollywood, hippie wing of the democrat party. They are both in play for 2012 at this point though lol.

Obama won't lose CA or WA in 2012.

What ABOUT THE CURRENT TRENDS makes you say that?

I live in California. In Orange County, a swing area. Obama and the Democrats are still pretty popular here, and many people here still remember how the GOP screwed over our country and economy under Bush Jr. It would take a second Great Depression for the Republicans to win California and Washington in 2012.

Do you know how many McCain flags there were in NJ?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 23, 2010, 02:54:38 PM
WOW WA is about as left wing as CA.

I'm not entirely sure on this poll, but realize WA is a different type of left than CA.  They tend to be more socially Liberal rather than fiscally Liberal outside of Seattle proper, so it could be that Obama's fiscal liberalism is hurting him among some of the Seattle Suburbanites.

This is contrasted to say, where I live, where the political center is roughly between "kill the Rich" and "just imprison the rich".

It also might be that he's losing center-left White voters, as California is much browner than Washington and voters here might just be supporting him on racial rather than direct political lines.

Although "outlier poll" is still the most likely explanation

Well, I've always viewed the left coast as the Hollywood, hippie wing of the democrat party. They are both in play for 2012 at this point though lol.

Obama won't lose CA or WA in 2012.

What ABOUT THE CURRENT TRENDS makes you say that?

I live in California. In Orange County, a swing area. Obama and the Democrats are still pretty popular here, and many people here still remember how the GOP screwed over our country and economy under Bush Jr. It would take a second Great Depression for the Republicans to win California and Washington in 2012.

Asking a few neighbours doesn't exactly tell you how the other few million people in the state will vote.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bo on July 23, 2010, 03:14:28 PM
WOW WA is about as left wing as CA.

I'm not entirely sure on this poll, but realize WA is a different type of left than CA.  They tend to be more socially Liberal rather than fiscally Liberal outside of Seattle proper, so it could be that Obama's fiscal liberalism is hurting him among some of the Seattle Suburbanites.

This is contrasted to say, where I live, where the political center is roughly between "kill the Rich" and "just imprison the rich".

It also might be that he's losing center-left White voters, as California is much browner than Washington and voters here might just be supporting him on racial rather than direct political lines.

Although "outlier poll" is still the most likely explanation

Well, I've always viewed the left coast as the Hollywood, hippie wing of the democrat party. They are both in play for 2012 at this point though lol.

Obama won't lose CA or WA in 2012.

What ABOUT THE CURRENT TRENDS makes you say that?

I live in California. In Orange County, a swing area. Obama and the Democrats are still pretty popular here, and many people here still remember how the GOP screwed over our country and economy under Bush Jr. It would take a second Great Depression for the Republicans to win California and Washington in 2012.

Asking a few neighbours doesn't exactly tell you how the other few million people in the state will vote.

Well, LA County and the Bay Area metropolis are much more liberal than where I live, so if I don't see any Tea Party rallies around here, that would probably mean that most of the other large areas of the state would be even less receptive to Tea Partiers like Palin (in 2012, if she gets nominated).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on July 23, 2010, 03:22:50 PM
I live in California. In Orange County, a swing area. Obama and the Democrats are still pretty popular here, and many people here still remember how the GOP screwed over our country and economy under Bush Jr. It would take a second Great Depression for the Republicans to win California and Washington in 2012.

I also live in California, in a Staunchly Democratic area (between 85-90% Obama), and i can tell you that the Liberals are probably the most demoralized bunch I've ever seen.  In 2008 I had no less than 4 separate people knock on my door campaigning for Obama, and ever other car had an Obama bumper sticker on it.  Nowadays, the area feels politically dead, and some of my Liberal friends are honestly considering sitting this election out (though in a D + 23 district, it's not likely to matter).

This might be an isolated case of a group of people who fit in with the Socialist party more than the Democratic party being disappointed in Obama for not bringing about the glorious people's republic, but i don't think Obama will ever be able to recapture the sort of political momentum that won him the office in 2008.  And without that, there is always a chance of him suffering a blistering defeat in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on July 23, 2010, 05:12:19 PM
I live in California. In Orange County, a swing area. Obama and the Democrats are still pretty popular here, and many people here still remember how the GOP screwed over our country and economy under Bush Jr. It would take a second Great Depression for the Republicans to win California and Washington in 2012.

I also live in California, in a Staunchly Democratic area (between 85-90% Obama), and i can tell you that the Liberals are probably the most demoralized bunch I've ever seen.  In 2008 I had no less than 4 separate people knock on my door campaigning for Obama, and ever other car had an Obama bumper sticker on it.  Nowadays, the area feels politically dead, and some of my Liberal friends are honestly considering sitting this election out (though in a D + 23 district, it's not likely to matter).

This might be an isolated case of a group of people who fit in with the Socialist party more than the Democratic party being disappointed in Obama for not bringing about the glorious people's republic, but i don't think Obama will ever be able to recapture the sort of political momentum that won him the office in 2008.  And without that, there is always a chance of him suffering a blistering defeat in 2012.

Do you live in the bay area? There are certainly a lot of demoralized left wingers here.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on July 23, 2010, 06:53:09 PM
AZ, ID, NY, RI, AR, GA, & WV

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on July 23, 2010, 07:09:13 PM
What gives NJ? Must be the north...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on July 23, 2010, 10:54:59 PM
WOW WA is about as left wing as CA.

I'm not entirely sure on this poll, but realize WA is a different type of left than CA.  They tend to be more socially Liberal rather than fiscally Liberal outside of Seattle proper, so it could be that Obama's fiscal liberalism is hurting him among some of the Seattle Suburbanites.

This is contrasted to say, where I live, where the political center is roughly between "kill the Rich" and "just imprison the rich".

It also might be that he's losing center-left White voters, as California is much browner than Washington and voters here might just be supporting him on racial rather than direct political lines.

Although "outlier poll" is still the most likely explanation

Well, I've always viewed the left coast as the Hollywood, hippie wing of the democrat party. They are both in play for 2012 at this point though lol.

Obama won't lose CA or WA in 2012.

What ABOUT THE CURRENT TRENDS makes you say that?

I live in California. In Orange County, a swing area. Obama and the Democrats are still pretty popular here, and many people here still remember how the GOP screwed over our country and economy under Bush Jr. It would take a second Great Depression for the Republicans to win California and Washington in 2012.

Well they must be the stereotypical Californians who skate board and do drugs because according to you they're remembering things that aren't real. It might just take a worthless president like Obama to lose CA and WA in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 24, 2010, 12:24:57 AM
CA (SurveyUSA): 51-46

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c717d146-99e7-4de8-8217-9fb792fc2fb8

KS (SurveyUSA): 30-66

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c9cb9d95-0451-467c-8613-efb0bf5d4a7e

OR (SurveyUSA): 46-50

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=87dabdb7-5435-402e-891e-11b3bf475127

WA (SurveyUSA): 44-53

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c34262fe-7152-4e56-be8d-dd7e32b0f6dd

These polls would indicate about a 40-43% national approval rating.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 24, 2010, 12:32:47 AM
MO (Mason-Dixon): 34-57

http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/stltoday.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/2/ca/abd/2caabd34-96dd-11df-8cd1-00127992bc8b-revisions/4c4a6e0f24ba3.pdf.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on July 24, 2010, 12:53:06 AM
WOW WA is about as left wing as CA.

I'm not entirely sure on this poll, but realize WA is a different type of left than CA.  They tend to be more socially Liberal rather than fiscally Liberal outside of Seattle proper, so it could be that Obama's fiscal liberalism is hurting him among some of the Seattle Suburbanites.

This is contrasted to say, where I live, where the political center is roughly between "kill the Rich" and "just imprison the rich".

It also might be that he's losing center-left White voters, as California is much browner than Washington and voters here might just be supporting him on racial rather than direct political lines.

Although "outlier poll" is still the most likely explanation

Well, I've always viewed the left coast as the Hollywood, hippie wing of the democrat party. They are both in play for 2012 at this point though lol.

Obama won't lose CA or WA in 2012.

What ABOUT THE CURRENT TRENDS makes you say that?

I live in California. In Orange County, a swing area. Obama and the Democrats are still pretty popular here, and many people here still remember how the GOP screwed over our country and economy under Bush Jr. It would take a second Great Depression for the Republicans to win California and Washington in 2012.

Well they must be the stereotypical Californians who skate board and do drugs because according to you they're remembering things that aren't real. It might just take a worthless president like Obama to lose CA and WA in 2012.

Dude, seriously, this isn't even a generalization of Californians.  You just described the stereotype for the white male teenager in America.

Back on topic, yeah, the Bay Area liberals have been demoralized.  Berkeley (Telegraph Ave. particularly) has been pretty quiet as of late, with only a few stands and whatnot. 

Though, I have to admit, the place does have a cleaner feel when there's less activists on the streets.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Beet on July 24, 2010, 02:20:44 AM
I feel so out of sync. When he was running as a candidate / first came into office I supported him for partisan reasons but thought he was an empty suit with a lot of rhetoric who didn't know how to get anything done. This is when most liberals were slobbering all over him.

Now that Obama's signed Lily Ledbetter, the SCHIP expansion, the stimulus package, credit card reform, health care reform (huge), student loan reform, and financial reform, and stabilized the economy, all of which I approve of more than disapprove, my opinion of him has shot up. He's been incredibly effective. But now most liberals are upset he didn't usher in some sort of liberal paradise.

It's pretty lonely being a pragmatic liberal. Most of them liked him when he was a pie in the sky dream, and dislike him now that he's actually accomplished something solid. Perhaps this is just some sort of derangement liberals suffer that causes them to be perpetually unrealistic? I have to say, I would not be a liberal except that conservatives these days are far worse. There's hope for the unrealistic. For the insane there's only treatment.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: xavier110 on July 24, 2010, 02:24:08 AM
I feel so out of sync. When he was running as a candidate / first came into office I supported him for partisan reasons but thought he was an empty suit with a lot of rhetoric who didn't know how to get anything done. This is when most liberals were slobbering all over him.

Now that Obama's signed Lily Ledbetter, the SCHIP expansion, the stimulus package, credit card reform, health care reform (huge), student loan reform, and financial reform, and stabilized the economy, all of which I approve of more than disapprove, my opinion of him has shot up. He's been incredibly effective. But now most liberals are upset he didn't usher in some sort of liberal paradise.

It's pretty lonely being a pragmatic liberal. Most of them liked him when he was a pie in the sky dream, and dislike him now that he's actually accomplished something solid. Perhaps this is just some sort of derangement liberals suffer that causes them to be perpetually unrealistic? I have to say, I would not be a liberal except that conservatives these days are far worse. There's hope for the unrealistic. For the insane there's only treatment.

Liberals still overwhelming approve, even if some may be disappointed.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 24, 2010, 08:42:49 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 43%, u.

Disapprove 56% u.


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, u.

Sill within range, though there is some slumping of Obama's numbers.  If this is a bad sample (it probably is) it should drop off tomorrow.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on July 24, 2010, 11:47:26 AM
CA, WA, OR, KS, MO

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on July 24, 2010, 11:57:18 AM
I feel so out of sync. When he was running as a candidate / first came into office I supported him for partisan reasons but thought he was an empty suit with a lot of rhetoric who didn't know how to get anything done. This is when most liberals were slobbering all over him.

Now that Obama's signed Lily Ledbetter, the SCHIP expansion, the stimulus package, credit card reform, health care reform (huge), student loan reform, and financial reform, and stabilized the economy, all of which I approve of more than disapprove, my opinion of him has shot up. He's been incredibly effective. But now most liberals are upset he didn't usher in some sort of liberal paradise.

It's pretty lonely being a pragmatic liberal. Most of them liked him when he was a pie in the sky dream, and dislike him now that he's actually accomplished something solid. Perhaps this is just some sort of derangement liberals suffer that causes them to be perpetually unrealistic? I have to say, I would not be a liberal except that conservatives these days are far worse. There's hope for the unrealistic. For the insane there's only treatment.

I wish I could frame this quote. He is an empty suit and will never amount to anything more. You should've voted for McCain but there is still 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 24, 2010, 12:10:41 PM
I feel so out of sync. When he was running as a candidate / first came into office I supported him for partisan reasons but thought he was an empty suit with a lot of rhetoric who didn't know how to get anything done. This is when most liberals were slobbering all over him.

Now that Obama's signed Lily Ledbetter, the SCHIP expansion, the stimulus package, credit card reform, health care reform (huge), student loan reform, and financial reform, and stabilized the economy, all of which I approve of more than disapprove, my opinion of him has shot up. He's been incredibly effective. But now most liberals are upset he didn't usher in some sort of liberal paradise.

It's pretty lonely being a pragmatic liberal. Most of them liked him when he was a pie in the sky dream, and dislike him now that he's actually accomplished something solid. Perhaps this is just some sort of derangement liberals suffer that causes them to be perpetually unrealistic? I have to say, I would not be a liberal except that conservatives these days are far worse. There's hope for the unrealistic. For the insane there's only treatment.

I wish I could frame this quote. He is an empty suit and will never amount to anything more. You should've voted for McCain but there is still 2012.

John McCain would have achieved none of that. McCain showed himself the empty suit in 2008 -- tragically he was not an empty suit in 2000, but he lost out in the Republican primaries to the definitive example of an empty suit.

You need not like the accomplishments of President Obama. So far he has been weak at tooting his own horn about his accomplishments. So what? Would you prefer that he were an arrogant braggart who does one ting and then rests on his laurels? That FoX and Clear Channel carp about him incessantly shows that they have agendas -- failure of the President, which includes inculcating the idea that he is a failure even if he isn't.

You are right -- there is 2012. There will be a Presidential campaign, and President Obama can let others show his accomplishments and the need for more --- accomplishments that Republican reactionaries have obstructed.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Inmate Trump on July 24, 2010, 02:06:12 PM
So if I'm looking correctly at the map posted above by JBrase, the president holds a 50% or above approval rating in only 11 states out of 49 polled, and not including D.C.  Regardless of what the future holds for November '12, supporters of Obama have to be troubled by this....

Just speaking as an independent (yes, I voted for McCain in the general, but Hillary was my first choice), I don't see how anyone can honestly think the president is doing a good job, or even a mediocre one.  It's getting down now where a huge remainder of his supporters are doing so based solely on party ID as the majority of voters have been against nearly everything he's tried to accomplish.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 24, 2010, 02:39:37 PM
North Dakota State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted July 21, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

       23% Strongly approve
       17% Somewhat approve
       13% Somewhat disapprove
       46% Strongly disapprove
         1% Not sure




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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

49 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.  The exception is Montana among the states. DC has yet to be polled.



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  154
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  49
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 133
white                        too close to call  6
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  71
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  54
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  96
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......
[/quote]


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: GLPman on July 24, 2010, 03:04:03 PM
I can't wait to see the different shades of green and yellow that pbrower develops for his maps in the upcoming months.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on July 24, 2010, 03:04:38 PM
40% will be the new green. ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 24, 2010, 03:24:52 PM
So if I'm looking correctly at the map posted above by JBrase, the president holds a 50% or above approval rating in only 11 states out of 49 polled, and not including D.C.  Regardless of what the future holds for November '12, supporters of Obama have to be troubled by this....

Just speaking as an independent (yes, I voted for McCain in the general, but Hillary was my first choice), I don't see how anyone can honestly think the president is doing a good job, or even a mediocre one.  It's getting down now where a huge remainder of his supporters are doing so based solely on party ID as the majority of voters have been against nearly everything he's tried to accomplish.

Approval ratings for an incumbent before the campaign has started in earnest do not translate literally into votes in the election. Such usually indicates how an incumbent would do if he did no campaigning whatsoever. An incumbent running for re-election as a Senator or Governor who begins with a 44% approval rating has about a 50% chance of winning re-election. Those are statewide elections, and each Presidential election is 50 state elections, one election in DC, and five elections in Congressional districts.

Sure, an incumbent with 55% approval (let us say Eisenhower in 1956) might choose to place himself above any campaigning and win 55% of the popular vote. I do not see Obama in that situation.  

The formidable campaign apparatus that Barack Obama had in 2008 is in mothballs. By the summer of 2012 it will be out of mothballs. His campaign will do something that it did in 2012 that it did in 2008: seize any opportunity to win a state and abandon any futile effort and back away from any sure thing. It will accentuate the positive when such is necessary, and it will find ways in which to do negative campaigning without seeming negative.

Nobody can deny that he will run on his record and win or run from it and lose.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 24, 2010, 03:31:09 PM

I added a yellow shade for 44% because my system predicts a 50% chance of an incumbent winning election with that level of support before his campaign begins. I also added a really-deep orange (really brown) for disapproval over 70% (which appears only  in Wyoming and would show in NE-03 in view of the differences between the state's districts).

Polls are snapshots from inside a dirty window of a moving car.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on July 24, 2010, 03:58:47 PM
ND

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bo on July 24, 2010, 04:03:15 PM
WOW WA is about as left wing as CA.

I'm not entirely sure on this poll, but realize WA is a different type of left than CA.  They tend to be more socially Liberal rather than fiscally Liberal outside of Seattle proper, so it could be that Obama's fiscal liberalism is hurting him among some of the Seattle Suburbanites.

This is contrasted to say, where I live, where the political center is roughly between "kill the Rich" and "just imprison the rich".

It also might be that he's losing center-left White voters, as California is much browner than Washington and voters here might just be supporting him on racial rather than direct political lines.

Although "outlier poll" is still the most likely explanation

Well, I've always viewed the left coast as the Hollywood, hippie wing of the democrat party. They are both in play for 2012 at this point though lol.

Obama won't lose CA or WA in 2012.

What ABOUT THE CURRENT TRENDS makes you say that?

I live in California. In Orange County, a swing area. Obama and the Democrats are still pretty popular here, and many people here still remember how the GOP screwed over our country and economy under Bush Jr. It would take a second Great Depression for the Republicans to win California and Washington in 2012.

Well they must be the stereotypical Californians who skate board and do drugs because according to you they're remembering things that aren't real. It might just take a worthless president like Obama to lose CA and WA in 2012.

None of my friends do drugs (or if they do, I don't know about it). What does skateboarding have to do with any of this? And the Great Recession did start under Bush Jr. That's a fact. And if John Kerry managed to win both CA and WA by 7+% in 2004 while losing nationwide by 3%, then I don't see Obama losing these two states unless a second Great Depression occurs.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on July 24, 2010, 05:24:27 PM
Do you live in the bay area? There are certainly a lot of demoralized left wingers here.

Yeah, West Bay, just outside San Fran.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 24, 2010, 07:48:34 PM
http://today.yougov.co.uk/sites/today.yougov.co.uk/files/YG-Archives-Pol-USArelations-210710.pdf

President Obama has a 64/21 approval rating in the UK. ;) I love my country.

Bush's last recorded UK approval was June 2006 at 16/77.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fuzzybigfoot on July 24, 2010, 07:56:10 PM
http://today.yougov.co.uk/sites/today.yougov.co.uk/files/YG-Archives-Pol-USArelations-210710.pdf

President Obama has a 64/21 approval rating in the UK. ;) I love my country.

Bush's last recorded UK approval was June 2006 at 16/77.


Ha ha   I love Bush's numbers.  XD


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl on July 24, 2010, 07:58:09 PM
http://today.yougov.co.uk/sites/today.yougov.co.uk/files/YG-Archives-Pol-USArelations-210710.pdf

President Obama has a 64/21 approval rating in the UK. ;) I love my country.

Bush's last recorded UK approval was June 2006 at 16/77.

Wow, the UK is even stupider than the US. That's some feat. :o


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on July 24, 2010, 10:13:46 PM
http://today.yougov.co.uk/sites/today.yougov.co.uk/files/YG-Archives-Pol-USArelations-210710.pdf

President Obama has a 64/21 approval rating in the UK. ;) I love my country.

Bush's last recorded UK approval was June 2006 at 16/77.

You don't think that has anything to do with the media? The UK are still in love with Obama because they are still riding on his campaign rhetoric, and not be effected by his awful policies.

As for Bush, it was 'cool' to hate Bush post-2006 especially, and I wouldn't be surprised that many people lied just to fit in.

I don't trust those UK numbers at all for either president - they surely don't indicate to me that Obama's policies are good and successful, while Bush's beyond horrible.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: timmer123 on July 25, 2010, 01:02:30 AM
http://today.yougov.co.uk/sites/today.yougov.co.uk/files/YG-Archives-Pol-USArelations-210710.pdf

President Obama has a 64/21 approval rating in the UK. ;) I love my country.

Bush's last recorded UK approval was June 2006 at 16/77.

Wow, file that under "I couldn't care less."
I would expect socialist to like a socialist.

If you love him so much, please take him.  He's damaged our country enough already


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on July 25, 2010, 04:24:50 AM
So if I'm looking correctly at the map posted above by JBrase, the president holds a 50% or above approval rating in only 11 states out of 49 polled, and not including D.C.  Regardless of what the future holds for November '12, supporters of Obama have to be troubled by this....

Just speaking as an independent (yes, I voted for McCain in the general, but Hillary was my first choice), I don't see how anyone can honestly think the president is doing a good job, or even a mediocre one.  It's getting down now where a huge remainder of his supporters are doing so based solely on party ID as the majority of voters have been against nearly everything he's tried to accomplish.

He's actually gotten a lot done, even if it is half assed (blame congress, not Obama). He is certainly not a good president because he doesn't lead well. But at the same time he hasn't made any big blunders. If things remain the way they are, he will end up somewhere in the middle of Presidents in terms of job performance.

Now if you think that he shouldn't have done health care reform or financial reform, then that's a different thing. If you wanted these things done, you can't deny that he did it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl on July 25, 2010, 04:55:03 AM
So if I'm looking correctly at the map posted above by JBrase, the president holds a 50% or above approval rating in only 11 states out of 49 polled, and not including D.C.  Regardless of what the future holds for November '12, supporters of Obama have to be troubled by this....

Just speaking as an independent (yes, I voted for McCain in the general, but Hillary was my first choice), I don't see how anyone can honestly think the president is doing a good job, or even a mediocre one.  It's getting down now where a huge remainder of his supporters are doing so based solely on party ID as the majority of voters have been against nearly everything he's tried to accomplish.

He's actually gotten a lot done, even if it is half assed (blame congress, not Obama). He is certainly not a good president because he doesn't lead well. But at the same time he hasn't made any big blunders. If things remain the way they are, he will end up somewhere in the middle of Presidents in terms of job performance.

Now if you think that he shouldn't have done health care reform or financial reform, then that's a different thing. If you wanted these things done, you can't deny that he did it.

Obama has indeed gotten a lot of his fascist agenda pushed through.

Whether you consider that a good thing or not depends on whether you approve of fascism or not.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on July 25, 2010, 05:03:55 AM
So if I'm looking correctly at the map posted above by JBrase, the president holds a 50% or above approval rating in only 11 states out of 49 polled, and not including D.C.  Regardless of what the future holds for November '12, supporters of Obama have to be troubled by this....

Just speaking as an independent (yes, I voted for McCain in the general, but Hillary was my first choice), I don't see how anyone can honestly think the president is doing a good job, or even a mediocre one.  It's getting down now where a huge remainder of his supporters are doing so based solely on party ID as the majority of voters have been against nearly everything he's tried to accomplish.

He's actually gotten a lot done, even if it is half assed (blame congress, not Obama). He is certainly not a good president because he doesn't lead well. But at the same time he hasn't made any big blunders. If things remain the way they are, he will end up somewhere in the middle of Presidents in terms of job performance.

Now if you think that he shouldn't have done health care reform or financial reform, then that's a different thing. If you wanted these things done, you can't deny that he did it.

Obama has indeed gotten a lot of his fascist agenda pushed through.

Whether you consider that a good thing or not depends on whether you approve of fascism or not.

I kinda approve of the health care bill. That means I kinda support fascism, right Libertas?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 25, 2010, 07:43:14 AM
So if I'm looking correctly at the map posted above by JBrase, the president holds a 50% or above approval rating in only 11 states out of 49 polled, and not including D.C.  Regardless of what the future holds for November '12, supporters of Obama have to be troubled by this....

Just speaking as an independent (yes, I voted for McCain in the general, but Hillary was my first choice), I don't see how anyone can honestly think the president is doing a good job, or even a mediocre one.  It's getting down now where a huge remainder of his supporters are doing so based solely on party ID as the majority of voters have been against nearly everything he's tried to accomplish.

He's actually gotten a lot done, even if it is half assed (blame congress, not Obama). He is certainly not a good president because he doesn't lead well. But at the same time he hasn't made any big blunders. If things remain the way they are, he will end up somewhere in the middle of Presidents in terms of job performance.

Now if you think that he shouldn't have done health care reform or financial reform, then that's a different thing. If you wanted these things done, you can't deny that he did it.

Obama has indeed gotten a lot of his fascist agenda pushed through.

Whether you consider that a good thing or not depends on whether you approve of fascism or not.

I kinda approve of the health care bill. That means I kinda support fascism, right Libertas?

I think that he supports the idea that a healthy economic system succeeds by bleeding everyone else to support some "right people" whose enrichment and indulgence is understood to be the definitive good irrespective of the hardships imposed upon everyone else and whose mystical virtues (really, crude exercise of economic power) are not to be challenged. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl on July 25, 2010, 08:06:15 AM
So if I'm looking correctly at the map posted above by JBrase, the president holds a 50% or above approval rating in only 11 states out of 49 polled, and not including D.C.  Regardless of what the future holds for November '12, supporters of Obama have to be troubled by this....

Just speaking as an independent (yes, I voted for McCain in the general, but Hillary was my first choice), I don't see how anyone can honestly think the president is doing a good job, or even a mediocre one.  It's getting down now where a huge remainder of his supporters are doing so based solely on party ID as the majority of voters have been against nearly everything he's tried to accomplish.

He's actually gotten a lot done, even if it is half assed (blame congress, not Obama). He is certainly not a good president because he doesn't lead well. But at the same time he hasn't made any big blunders. If things remain the way they are, he will end up somewhere in the middle of Presidents in terms of job performance.

Now if you think that he shouldn't have done health care reform or financial reform, then that's a different thing. If you wanted these things done, you can't deny that he did it.

Obama has indeed gotten a lot of his fascist agenda pushed through.

Whether you consider that a good thing or not depends on whether you approve of fascism or not.

I kinda approve of the health care bill. That means I kinda support fascism, right Libertas?

I think that he supports the idea that a healthy economic system succeeds by bleeding everyone else to support some "right people" whose enrichment and indulgence is understood to be the definitive good irrespective of the hardships imposed upon everyone else and whose mystical virtues (really, crude exercise of economic power) are not to be challenged. 

Is that you describe Obama's fascist "healthcare reform"?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 25, 2010, 08:18:14 AM
So if I'm looking correctly at the map posted above by JBrase, the president holds a 50% or above approval rating in only 11 states out of 49 polled, and not including D.C.  Regardless of what the future holds for November '12, supporters of Obama have to be troubled by this....

Just speaking as an independent (yes, I voted for McCain in the general, but Hillary was my first choice), I don't see how anyone can honestly think the president is doing a good job, or even a mediocre one.  It's getting down now where a huge remainder of his supporters are doing so based solely on party ID as the majority of voters have been against nearly everything he's tried to accomplish.

He's actually gotten a lot done, even if it is half assed (blame congress, not Obama). He is certainly not a good president because he doesn't lead well. But at the same time he hasn't made any big blunders. If things remain the way they are, he will end up somewhere in the middle of Presidents in terms of job performance.

Now if you think that he shouldn't have done health care reform or financial reform, then that's a different thing. If you wanted these things done, you can't deny that he did it.

Obama has indeed gotten a lot of his fascist agenda pushed through.

Whether you consider that a good thing or not depends on whether you approve of fascism or not.

I kinda approve of the health care bill. That means I kinda support fascism, right Libertas?

I think that he supports the idea that a healthy economic system succeeds by bleeding everyone else to support some "right people" whose enrichment and indulgence is understood to be the definitive good irrespective of the hardships imposed upon everyone else and whose mystical virtues (really, crude exercise of economic power) are not to be challenged. 

Is that you describe Obama's fascist "healthcare reform"?

President Obama's healthcare reform is anything but fascist. I refer instead to tycoons and executives who act as if everyone else is either livestock or vermin. Such an attitude is fascism in its crudest form.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on July 25, 2010, 08:25:35 AM
So if I'm looking correctly at the map posted above by JBrase, the president holds a 50% or above approval rating in only 11 states out of 49 polled, and not including D.C.  Regardless of what the future holds for November '12, supporters of Obama have to be troubled by this....

Just speaking as an independent (yes, I voted for McCain in the general, but Hillary was my first choice), I don't see how anyone can honestly think the president is doing a good job, or even a mediocre one.  It's getting down now where a huge remainder of his supporters are doing so based solely on party ID as the majority of voters have been against nearly everything he's tried to accomplish.

He's actually gotten a lot done, even if it is half assed (blame congress, not Obama). He is certainly not a good president because he doesn't lead well. But at the same time he hasn't made any big blunders. If things remain the way they are, he will end up somewhere in the middle of Presidents in terms of job performance.

Now if you think that he shouldn't have done health care reform or financial reform, then that's a different thing. If you wanted these things done, you can't deny that he did it.

Obama has indeed gotten a lot of his fascist agenda pushed through.

Whether you consider that a good thing or not depends on whether you approve of fascism or not.

I kinda approve of the health care bill. That means I kinda support fascism, right Libertas?

I think that he supports the idea that a healthy economic system succeeds by bleeding everyone else to support some "right people" whose enrichment and indulgence is understood to be the definitive good irrespective of the hardships imposed upon everyone else and whose mystical virtues (really, crude exercise of economic power) are not to be challenged. 

Is that you describe Obama's fascist "healthcare reform"?

President Obama's healthcare reform is anything but fascist. I refer instead to tycoons and executives who act as if everyone else is either livestock or vermin. Such an attitude is fascism in its crudest form.

So empowering them even more helps? To fix that Obama will then have to have more government contr... regulations.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 25, 2010, 09:27:14 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 43%, u.

Disapprove 56% u.


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, +1.

It is still within range, but there might be a drop in Obama's numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fuzzybigfoot on July 25, 2010, 03:04:40 PM
So if I'm looking correctly at the map posted above by JBrase, the president holds a 50% or above approval rating in only 11 states out of 49 polled, and not including D.C.  Regardless of what the future holds for November '12, supporters of Obama have to be troubled by this....

Just speaking as an independent (yes, I voted for McCain in the general, but Hillary was my first choice), I don't see how anyone can honestly think the president is doing a good job, or even a mediocre one.  It's getting down now where a huge remainder of his supporters are doing so based solely on party ID as the majority of voters have been against nearly everything he's tried to accomplish.

He's actually gotten a lot done, even if it is half assed (blame congress, not Obama). He is certainly not a good president because he doesn't lead well. But at the same time he hasn't made any big blunders. If things remain the way they are, he will end up somewhere in the middle of Presidents in terms of job performance.

Now if you think that he shouldn't have done health care reform or financial reform, then that's a different thing. If you wanted these things done, you can't deny that he did it.

Obama has indeed gotten a lot of his fascist agenda pushed through.

Whether you consider that a good thing or not depends on whether you approve of fascism or not.

I kinda approve of the health care bill. That means I kinda support fascism, right Libertas?

I think that he supports the idea that a healthy economic system succeeds by bleeding everyone else to support some "right people" whose enrichment and indulgence is understood to be the definitive good irrespective of the hardships imposed upon everyone else and whose mystical virtues (really, crude exercise of economic power) are not to be challenged. 

Is that you describe Obama's fascist "healthcare reform"?

President Obama's healthcare reform is anything but fascist. I refer instead to tycoons and executives who act as if everyone else is either livestock or vermin. Such an attitude is fascism in its crudest form.

So empowering them even more helps? To fix that Obama will then have to have more government contr... regulations.

He's talking about how no government intervention could lead to abusive business practices, which in affect would be like a corporate dictatorship. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on July 25, 2010, 05:13:18 PM
So if I'm looking correctly at the map posted above by JBrase, the president holds a 50% or above approval rating in only 11 states out of 49 polled, and not including D.C.  Regardless of what the future holds for November '12, supporters of Obama have to be troubled by this....

Just speaking as an independent (yes, I voted for McCain in the general, but Hillary was my first choice), I don't see how anyone can honestly think the president is doing a good job, or even a mediocre one.  It's getting down now where a huge remainder of his supporters are doing so based solely on party ID as the majority of voters have been against nearly everything he's tried to accomplish.

He's actually gotten a lot done, even if it is half assed (blame congress, not Obama). He is certainly not a good president because he doesn't lead well. But at the same time he hasn't made any big blunders. If things remain the way they are, he will end up somewhere in the middle of Presidents in terms of job performance.

Now if you think that he shouldn't have done health care reform or financial reform, then that's a different thing. If you wanted these things done, you can't deny that he did it.

Obama has indeed gotten a lot of his fascist agenda pushed through.

Whether you consider that a good thing or not depends on whether you approve of fascism or not.

I kinda approve of the health care bill. That means I kinda support fascism, right Libertas?

I think that he supports the idea that a healthy economic system succeeds by bleeding everyone else to support some "right people" whose enrichment and indulgence is understood to be the definitive good irrespective of the hardships imposed upon everyone else and whose mystical virtues (really, crude exercise of economic power) are not to be challenged. 

Is that you describe Obama's fascist "healthcare reform"?

President Obama's healthcare reform is anything but fascist. I refer instead to tycoons and executives who act as if everyone else is either livestock or vermin. Such an attitude is fascism in its crudest form.

So empowering them even more helps? To fix that Obama will then have to have more government contr... regulations.

He's talking about how no government intervention could lead to abusive business practices, which in affect would be like a corporate dictatorship. 

I know what he is saying. Have you read the healthcare bill?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on July 25, 2010, 06:37:04 PM
fas·cist   /ˈfæʃɪst/ 
–noun

1. a person who believes in or sympathizes with fascism.
2. ( often initial capital letter ) a member of a fascist movement or party.
3. a person who is dictatorial or has extreme right-wing views.
–adjective
4. Also, fa·scis·tic  /fəˈʃɪstɪk/  Show Spelled[fuh-shis-tik]  Show IPA. of or like fascism or fascists.

fas·cism   /ˈfæʃɪzəm/   
–noun

1. ( sometimes initial capital letter ) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
2. ( sometimes initial capital letter ) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
3. ( initial capital letter ) a fascist movement, esp. the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl on July 25, 2010, 06:38:34 PM
So if I'm looking correctly at the map posted above by JBrase, the president holds a 50% or above approval rating in only 11 states out of 49 polled, and not including D.C.  Regardless of what the future holds for November '12, supporters of Obama have to be troubled by this....

Just speaking as an independent (yes, I voted for McCain in the general, but Hillary was my first choice), I don't see how anyone can honestly think the president is doing a good job, or even a mediocre one.  It's getting down now where a huge remainder of his supporters are doing so based solely on party ID as the majority of voters have been against nearly everything he's tried to accomplish.

He's actually gotten a lot done, even if it is half assed (blame congress, not Obama). He is certainly not a good president because he doesn't lead well. But at the same time he hasn't made any big blunders. If things remain the way they are, he will end up somewhere in the middle of Presidents in terms of job performance.

Now if you think that he shouldn't have done health care reform or financial reform, then that's a different thing. If you wanted these things done, you can't deny that he did it.

Obama has indeed gotten a lot of his fascist agenda pushed through.

Whether you consider that a good thing or not depends on whether you approve of fascism or not.

I kinda approve of the health care bill. That means I kinda support fascism, right Libertas?

I think that he supports the idea that a healthy economic system succeeds by bleeding everyone else to support some "right people" whose enrichment and indulgence is understood to be the definitive good irrespective of the hardships imposed upon everyone else and whose mystical virtues (really, crude exercise of economic power) are not to be challenged. 

Is that you describe Obama's fascist "healthcare reform"?

President Obama's healthcare reform is anything but fascist. I refer instead to tycoons and executives who act as if everyone else is either livestock or vermin. Such an attitude is fascism in its crudest form.

 It would appear that you understand neither the nature of fascism nor the nature of ObamaCare, which is fascism in action.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on July 25, 2010, 07:47:48 PM
So if I'm looking correctly at the map posted above by JBrase, the president holds a 50% or above approval rating in only 11 states out of 49 polled, and not including D.C.  Regardless of what the future holds for November '12, supporters of Obama have to be troubled by this....

Just speaking as an independent (yes, I voted for McCain in the general, but Hillary was my first choice), I don't see how anyone can honestly think the president is doing a good job, or even a mediocre one.  It's getting down now where a huge remainder of his supporters are doing so based solely on party ID as the majority of voters have been against nearly everything he's tried to accomplish.

He's actually gotten a lot done, even if it is half assed (blame congress, not Obama). He is certainly not a good president because he doesn't lead well. But at the same time he hasn't made any big blunders. If things remain the way they are, he will end up somewhere in the middle of Presidents in terms of job performance.

Now if you think that he shouldn't have done health care reform or financial reform, then that's a different thing. If you wanted these things done, you can't deny that he did it.

Obama has indeed gotten a lot of his fascist agenda pushed through.

Whether you consider that a good thing or not depends on whether you approve of fascism or not.

I kinda approve of the health care bill. That means I kinda support fascism, right Libertas?

I think that he supports the idea that a healthy economic system succeeds by bleeding everyone else to support some "right people" whose enrichment and indulgence is understood to be the definitive good irrespective of the hardships imposed upon everyone else and whose mystical virtues (really, crude exercise of economic power) are not to be challenged. 

Is that you describe Obama's fascist "healthcare reform"?

President Obama's healthcare reform is anything but fascist. I refer instead to tycoons and executives who act as if everyone else is either livestock or vermin. Such an attitude is fascism in its crudest form.

 It would appear that you understand neither the nature of fascism nor the nature of ObamaCare, which is fascism in action.

Yeah, it was after the passage of MussoliniCare that most people realized what a horrible, fascistic government Italy had.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on July 25, 2010, 08:46:45 PM
fas·cist   /ˈfæʃɪst/ 
–noun

1. a person who believes in or sympathizes with fascism.
2. ( often initial capital letter ) a member of a fascist movement or party.
3. a person who is dictatorial or has extreme right-wing views.
–adjective
4. Also, fa·scis·tic  /fəˈʃɪstɪk/  Show Spelled[fuh-shis-tik]  Show IPA. of or like fascism or fascists.

fas·cism   /ˈfæʃɪzəm/   
–noun

1. ( sometimes initial capital letter ) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
2. ( sometimes initial capital letter ) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
3. ( initial capital letter ) a fascist movement, esp. the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43

Controlling industry is anti-right wing...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 25, 2010, 09:05:50 PM
fas·cist   /ˈfæʃɪst/  
–noun

1. a person who believes in or sympathizes with fascism.
2. ( often initial capital letter ) a member of a fascist movement or party.
3. a person who is dictatorial or has extreme right-wing views.
–adjective
4. Also, fa·scis·tic  /fəˈʃɪstɪk/  Show Spelled[fuh-shis-tik]  Show IPA. of or like fascism or fascists.

fas·cism   /ˈfæʃɪzəm/  
–noun

1. ( sometimes initial capital letter ) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
2. ( sometimes initial capital letter ) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
3. ( initial capital letter ) a fascist movement, esp. the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43

Well, is President Obama a fascist?

The definitions of fascist are of course circular, largely depending upon whether someone supports fascism or uses techniques characteristic of fascism.  So let's look at it point by point:

1. Is Barack Obama a dictator, or a front for someone with dictatorial power ?

He seems no more dictatorial than any President beginning with at least FDR, and he does not delegate moral authority or Presidential powers to someone else.  So, no.

2. Does he exercise complete power, or is he part of a clique that exercises complete power?

Rove, Bush, and Cheney seemed to fit the definition better, but they took only the baby steps toward fascism that America reversed. If you can't call the Rove/Cheney/Bush clique fascist, you can't so call Obama.

3. Does he suppress all opposition?

Many Republicans believe that they can win "back" the House and Senate in November 2010. Joe Wilson got away with minor sanctions for shouting "You lie!" at a State of the Union address.  A fascist would have had someone who had the effrontery to shout that disappear into the night. The Republicans in the Senate still have the filibuster, which a fascist dictator would have stripped from them. Next!

4. Does the President quash all dissent?

If Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck are still on the air, if Ann Coulter can still sell books, if Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly can get away with what they say, then the President is no fascist.

5. Has he regimented all industry?

That began with Dubya, and for all the bailouts the United States government has yet to force bailed-out businesses to fill their boards with political hacks, allow unions servile to the President to organize without resistance,and start putting portraits of Obama everywhere?

Businesses that have not been bailed out have been left completely alone.

6. Is the President an aggressive nationalist?

Much less than his predecessor!

7. Is he a racist?

I do not make this stuff up for Saturday Night Live. President Obama seems to avoid discussing race and ethnicity as if he is avoiding a minefield .


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 26, 2010, 08:39:54 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, +2.

Disapprove 55% -1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, -1.

Arguably still in range.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on July 26, 2010, 08:47:26 AM
Take it elsewhere, kiddies. This is a polling-only zone.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 26, 2010, 11:10:39 AM
Take it elsewhere, kiddies. This is a polling-only zone.

I hope that I shut down the "Obama is a fascist" debate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on July 26, 2010, 12:52:46 PM
Obamacare is more socialist than fascist. However, the mandate that forces you to buy the healthcare is indeed a fascist element.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on July 26, 2010, 12:59:23 PM
so·cial·ist   /ˈsoʊʃəlɪst/   
–noun

1. an advocate or supporter of socialism.
2. a member of the U.S. Socialist party.

so·cial·ism   /ˈsoʊʃəˌlɪzəm/   
–noun

1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 26, 2010, 02:24:21 PM
Obamacare is more socialist than fascist. However, the mandate that forces you to buy the healthcare is indeed a fascist element.

Are you preparing to say that the requirement that people buy automotive liability insurance before driving a motor vehicle is "fascist"?


One issue is that people are being paid so poorly or are being worked (part time work only available) so that they cannot get medical insurance and that it is extremely expensive.
Another is that people in their fifties are being cast off because of the expense of medical insurance as a benefit.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on July 26, 2010, 02:33:58 PM
Obamacare is more socialist than fascist. However, the mandate that forces you to buy the healthcare is indeed a fascist element.

Are you preparing to say that the requirement that people buy automotive liability insurance before driving a motor vehicle is "fascist"?

No one is forced to buy a car.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on July 26, 2010, 03:02:31 PM
MA (Ras): 56/43
link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/massachusetts/massachusetts_governor_patrick_41_baker_34_cahill_16)

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: zorkpolitics on July 26, 2010, 04:38:47 PM
MA (Ras): 56/43
link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/massachusetts/massachusetts_governor_patrick_41_baker_34_cahill_16)

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Keeping red for the Republican nominee, this map woudl be a very welcome result for 2012


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 27, 2010, 12:22:36 AM
TN (Mason Dixon):

34% Excellent/Good
65% Fair/Poor

http://www.wbir.com/pdf/pdfthree.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on July 27, 2010, 12:48:36 AM
TN

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 27, 2010, 06:58:14 AM
Massachusetts State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted July 22, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

37% Strongly approve
19% Somewhat approve
10% Somewhat disapprove
35% Strongly disapprove
  0% Not sure

Tennessee (Mason/Dixon) -- wild swing from a recent Rasmussen poll. Worse than Alabama?

Alabama Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted July 22, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

    28% Strongly approve
    11% Somewhat approve
      6% Somewhat disapprove
    54% Strongly disapprove
      2% Not sure

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)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

49 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.  The exception is Montana among the states. DC has yet to be polled.



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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  154
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  49
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 133
white                        too close to call  6
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  49
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  56
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  116
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on July 27, 2010, 07:00:25 AM
TN

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)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Lookin' pretty


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 27, 2010, 07:00:41 AM
Obamacare is more socialist than fascist. However, the mandate that forces you to buy the healthcare is indeed a fascist element.

Are you preparing to say that the requirement that people buy automotive liability insurance before driving a motor vehicle is "fascist"?

No one is forced to buy a car.

The huge problem with health care insurance is that it is a profiteering cartel. That is why a public option or a Medicare-like program would be better for all but owners and executives.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 27, 2010, 08:41:53 AM
TN

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)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Lookin' pretty

Incumbents usually make big gains during campaign season as they can't do when they are focused on governing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 27, 2010, 09:31:42 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 44%, -1.

Disapprove 56% +1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, +1.

Obama's numbers seem to have declined slightly.  In four out of the last five days, his Approve numbers have been below his Strongly Approve numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 27, 2010, 10:09:41 AM
Side note: TN shouldn´t be included in your maps, because it´s an Excellent/Good etc. poll

New polls today:

Maryland (Gonzales Research): (http://www.gonzalesresearch.com/polls/Latest%20Poll.pdf) 51-38

Alabama (Rasmussen): (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/alabama/toplines/toplines_2010_alabama_senate_july_22_2010) 39-60

New Hampshire (PPP): (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NH_7273.pdf) 49-47


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on July 27, 2010, 10:19:48 AM
NH, MD, & AL

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 27, 2010, 10:25:55 AM
We´ll get some more numbers later today from Rasmussen and PPP:

* Colorado
* California
* Oregon
* Virginia


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on July 27, 2010, 10:36:46 AM
Obamacare is more socialist than fascist. However, the mandate that forces you to buy the healthcare is indeed a fascist element.

Are you preparing to say that the requirement that people buy automotive liability insurance before driving a motor vehicle is "fascist"?

No one is forced to buy a car.

The huge problem with health care insurance is that it is a profiteering cartel. That is why a public option or a Medicare-like program would be better for all but owners and executives.
Obviously we must punish those Bourgeoisie who dare to make a disgustingly evil 2-4% profit.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 27, 2010, 11:26:05 AM
Reuters/Ipsos:

48-48

1075 adults, 493 Democrats/Lean Democrats; 453 Republicans/Lean Republicans

http://www.ipsos-na.com/download/pr.aspx?id=9771


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 27, 2010, 12:07:32 PM
Virginia (Rasmussen): (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/virginia/toplines/toplines_virginia_july_18_2010) 49-50


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 27, 2010, 12:26:11 PM
Side note: TN shouldn´t be included in your maps, because it´s an Excellent/Good etc. poll

New polls today:

Maryland (Gonzales Research): (http://www.gonzalesresearch.com/polls/Latest%20Poll.pdf) 51-38

Alabama (Rasmussen): (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/alabama/toplines/toplines_2010_alabama_senate_july_22_2010) 39-60

New Hampshire (PPP): (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NH_7273.pdf) 49-47

Obama going from negative to positive. It's been a while.

Virginia (Rasmussen): (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/virginia/toplines/toplines_virginia_july_18_2010) 49-50

Obama 4-5 points more than the national average... in Virginia?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on July 27, 2010, 12:47:11 PM
CO & VA
CO: (Ras) 42/57
link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/colorado/election_2010_colorado_senate)

(
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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 27, 2010, 01:04:58 PM
CA (PPP): 54-39

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_CA_727.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 27, 2010, 01:09:02 PM
Colorado Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted July 26, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

      

       29% Strongly approve

       13% Somewhat approve

         8% Somewhat disapprove

       49% Strongly disapprove

         0% Not sure

TN -- EGFP poll removed, NH, MD, VA updates.

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

49 states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House.  The exception is Montana among the states. DC has yet to be polled.



(
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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  144
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  74
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 111
white                        too close to call  6
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  64
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  47
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  116
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......

Is the interstate polarization that so marked 2008 weakening?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Nhoj on July 27, 2010, 03:21:27 PM
Virginia (Rasmussen): (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/virginia/toplines/toplines_virginia_july_18_2010) 49-50
Apparently Brian Schweitzer is the Gov of VA.

Edit:looks like he fixed it now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on July 27, 2010, 04:26:24 PM
We´ll get some more numbers later today from Rasmussen and PPP:

* Colorado
* California
* Oregon
* Virginia

Where do you find (on Rasmussen) where it says he'll be polling next?

Go to the website and on the left it says "Sign Up For Free Daily Updates". Just enter your e-mail address and you will get an e-mail each morning. In the e-mail it has what he plans on releasing during the day.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on July 27, 2010, 08:37:46 PM
Obamacare is more socialist than fascist. However, the mandate that forces you to buy the healthcare is indeed a fascist element.

Are you preparing to say that the requirement that people buy automotive liability insurance before driving a motor vehicle is "fascist"?


One issue is that people are being paid so poorly or are being worked (part time work only available) so that they cannot get medical insurance and that it is extremely expensive.
Another is that people in their fifties are being cast off because of the expense of medical insurance as a benefit.



But the Government can't require you to buy a car. That's the difference.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 27, 2010, 10:12:38 PM
Obamacare is more socialist than fascist. However, the mandate that forces you to buy the healthcare is indeed a fascist element.

Are you preparing to say that the requirement that people buy automotive liability insurance before driving a motor vehicle is "fascist"?


One issue is that people are being paid so poorly or are being worked (part time work only available) so that they cannot get medical insurance and that it is extremely expensive.
Another is that people in their fifties are being cast off because of the expense of medical insurance as a benefit.



But the Government can't require you to buy a car. That's the difference.

Sure, but the government can establish transportation policies and building practices that all but necessitate access to a private automobile.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 27, 2010, 11:58:59 PM
Oregon (Rasmussen): (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/oregon/toplines/toplines_oregon_governor_july_26_2010) 48-52


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on July 28, 2010, 12:45:54 AM
Obamacare is more socialist than fascist. However, the mandate that forces you to buy the healthcare is indeed a fascist element.

Are you preparing to say that the requirement that people buy automotive liability insurance before driving a motor vehicle is "fascist"?


One issue is that people are being paid so poorly or are being worked (part time work only available) so that they cannot get medical insurance and that it is extremely expensive.
Another is that people in their fifties are being cast off because of the expense of medical insurance as a benefit.



But the Government can't require you to buy a car. That's the difference.

Sure, but the government can establish transportation policies and building practices that all but necessitate access to a private automobile.

Not really. I just got a job this week. I am in walking distance of my office. I will be walking every day. Wow. Did the government force me to buy a car? No. If they did force me to buy a car by threatening sanction otherwise, would that be unconstitutional? Yes. Hmm.....

And you miss the point, anyway. Can the government indirectly influence people as you suggest? Sure. But the mandate in the health care bill is DIRECTLY INFLUENCING PEOPLE. You lose the argument right there. So there's no need for me to carry on.

Stop trying to defend the once Messiah. He's fallen from grace -- and how!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on July 28, 2010, 01:02:06 AM
Oregon (Rasmussen): (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/oregon/toplines/toplines_oregon_governor_july_26_2010) 48-52

So Obama has a lower approval rating in Oregon than in Virginia?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 28, 2010, 10:25:25 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, +2.

Disapprove 53%, -3 .


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -3.

A bit of a bounceback.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 28, 2010, 01:14:10 PM
Oregon (Rasmussen): (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/oregon/toplines/toplines_oregon_governor_july_26_2010) 48-52

So Obama has a lower approval rating in Oregon than in Virginia?

Apparently.

...

MONTANA (Rasmussen):

42% Approve
57% Disapprove

(Brian Schweitzer)

63% Approve
38% Disapprove

LINK (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/montana/toplines/toplines_montana_july_18_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 28, 2010, 02:51:03 PM
Oregon (Rasmussen): (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/oregon/toplines/toplines_oregon_governor_july_26_2010) 48-52

So Obama has a lower approval rating in Oregon than in Virginia?

Apparently.

...

MONTANA (Rasmussen):

42% Approve
57% Disapprove

(Brian Schweitzer)

63% Approve
38% Disapprove

LINK (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/montana/toplines/toplines_montana_july_18_2010)

CA, NV updates.

Montana is probably the only state with three electoral votes that could be interesting in the 2012 Presidential election. A nationwide campaign, if necessary for the political survival of President Obama, would make the state close.

Can Brian Schweitzer be that popular in Montana? I'm beginning to think of him as Presidential material.

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

49 ALL states have checked in since HCR legislation was passed in the House. The exception is Montana among the states. DC has yet to be polled.



(
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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  144
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  74
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 111
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  73
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  47
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  116
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 28, 2010, 02:55:25 PM
pbrower, in case you didn´t notice it, there was a recent Mason-Dixon Missouri poll:

MO (Mason-Dixon): 34-57

http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/stltoday.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/2/ca/abd/2caabd34-96dd-11df-8cd1-00127992bc8b-revisions/4c4a6e0f24ba3.pdf.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook on July 28, 2010, 03:03:49 PM
Go ahead and give D.C. Obama, because D.C. always goes to the democrats. Even Reagan couldn't win there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on July 28, 2010, 03:11:30 PM
OR, CA, NV, & MT

(
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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 28, 2010, 03:12:27 PM
pbrower, in case you didn´t notice it, there was a recent Mason-Dixon Missouri poll:

MO (Mason-Dixon): 34-57

http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/stltoday.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/2/ca/abd/2caabd34-96dd-11df-8cd1-00127992bc8b-revisions/4c4a6e0f24ba3.pdf.pdf

Favorable/Unfavorable. I think that we had a protracted dispute on what polls are to be accepted and which aren't. EGFP and favorable/unfavorable polls lost. Acceptance of such a poll introduces inconsistency.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 29, 2010, 12:08:46 AM
pbrower, in case you didn´t notice it, there was a recent Mason-Dixon Missouri poll:

MO (Mason-Dixon): 34-57

http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/stltoday.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/2/ca/abd/2caabd34-96dd-11df-8cd1-00127992bc8b-revisions/4c4a6e0f24ba3.pdf.pdf

Favorable/Unfavorable. I think that we had a protracted dispute on what polls are to be accepted and which aren't. EGFP and favorable/unfavorable polls lost. Acceptance of such a poll introduces inconsistency.

No, the poll clearly says "approve" and "disapprove" (page 6).

The favorable numbers are

33% Favorable
55% Unfavorable
12% Neutral


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 29, 2010, 08:51:25 AM
Missouri State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted July 27, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

    31% Strongly approve
    13% Somewhat approve
       7% Somewhat disapprove
    49% Strongly disapprove
      1% Not sure

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  144
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  74
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 100
white                        too close to call  110
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  73
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  47
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  116
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 29, 2010, 09:47:25 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 54%, +1 .


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 29, 2010, 12:55:11 PM
New York (Quinnipiac): 53-41

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1482

Illinois (Rasmussen): 55-43

LINK (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/illinois/toplines/toplines_illinois_governor_i_july_26_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 29, 2010, 12:57:18 PM
Wisconsin (Rasmussen): 51-48

LINK (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/wisconsin/toplines/toplines_wisconsin_senate_july_27_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 29, 2010, 01:03:48 PM
Wisconsin (Rasmussen): 51-48

LINK (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/wisconsin/toplines/toplines_wisconsin_senate_july_27_2010)

2nd state to turn green this week (the other being NH).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 29, 2010, 01:20:50 PM
FOX News: 43-50

Congressional Ballot: 47R-36D

Sample: 41R, 37D, 16I

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/072910_ObamaElections.pdf

Interesting:

Obama loses among Independents in this poll by 36-56, but he was leading in the Ipsos poll by double-digits.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 29, 2010, 02:52:46 PM
Wisconsin State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted July 27, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

28% Strongly approve
23% Somewhat approve
  7% Somewhat disapprove
41% Strongly disapprove
  2% Not sure

Oklahoma State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted July 28, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

       20% Strongly approve
       16% Somewhat approve
       10% Somewhat disapprove
       55% Strongly disapprove
        0% Not sure

Better than I could have ever expected.

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

(
)

deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  144
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  54
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 100
white                        too close to call  110
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  73
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  47
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  116
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dan the Roman on July 29, 2010, 04:47:05 PM
FOX News: 43-50

Congressional Ballot: 47R-36D

Sample: 41R, 37D, 16I

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/072910_ObamaElections.pdf

Interesting:

Obama loses among Independents in this poll by 36-56, but he was leading in the Ipsos poll by double-digits.

Has there ever been an election US history when self-described R's outnumbered D's. I thought was the worst, and that was parity.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: izixs on July 29, 2010, 05:03:42 PM
The thing that's worried me the most about polling this round is how disparate some of the partisan break downs have been between pollsters. Do I trust the ones with the more standard break down or is there really this huge wave of republicans? I have a feeling that its a little of both. Many indies do lean towards one party or another but in most elections hate identifying with their party of choice. Maybe this year the Rep leaning indies have opted to drop the independent facade and tell their true feelings finally?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on July 29, 2010, 05:47:19 PM
FOX News: 43-50

Congressional Ballot: 47R-36D

Sample: 41R, 37D, 16I

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/072910_ObamaElections.pdf

Interesting:

Obama loses among Independents in this poll by 36-56, but he was leading in the Ipsos poll by double-digits.

Trash.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 29, 2010, 09:31:47 PM
FOX News: 43-50

Congressional Ballot: 47R-36D

Sample: 41R, 37D, 16I

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/072910_ObamaElections.pdf

Interesting:

Obama loses among Independents in this poll by 36-56, but he was leading in the Ipsos poll by double-digits.

FoX Propaganda Channel must be assuming a huge D-to-R shift of voters even when the GOP isn't gaining much respect.

Garbage in, garbage out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: East Coast Republican on July 29, 2010, 09:46:39 PM
FOX News: 43-50

Congressional Ballot: 47R-36D

Sample: 41R, 37D, 16I

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/072910_ObamaElections.pdf

Interesting:

Obama loses among Independents in this poll by 36-56, but he was leading in the Ipsos poll by double-digits.

FoX Propaganda Channel must be assuming a huge D-to-R shift of voters even when the GOP isn't gaining much respect.

Garbage in, garbage out.

If that is garbage, then your entire 'model' and 'age wave' is less than the trash sitting at a city dump.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on July 29, 2010, 11:12:31 PM
FOX News: 43-50

Congressional Ballot: 47R-36D

Sample: 41R, 37D, 16I

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/072910_ObamaElections.pdf

Interesting:

Obama loses among Independents in this poll by 36-56, but he was leading in the Ipsos poll by double-digits.

FoX Propaganda Channel must be assuming a huge D-to-R shift of voters even when the GOP isn't gaining much respect.

Garbage in, garbage out.

If that is garbage, then your entire 'model' and 'age wave' is less than the trash sitting at a city dump.

I know i've said this before, but....stop trolling.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on July 29, 2010, 11:25:10 PM
FOX News: 43-50

Congressional Ballot: 47R-36D

Sample: 41R, 37D, 16I

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/072910_ObamaElections.pdf

Interesting:

Obama loses among Independents in this poll by 36-56, but he was leading in the Ipsos poll by double-digits.

FoX Propaganda Channel must be assuming a huge D-to-R shift of voters even when the GOP isn't gaining much respect.

Garbage in, garbage out.

I know Fox News has Obama's approval rating as one of the lowest as of today. But over all, it's tended on the higher (well at the very least medium) end of the spectrum.

Once again people are using numbers only when it suits them. Fox News, while the organization itself is clearly bias, has had pretty fair polls of Obama for the past 2 years.

I didn't hear anyone complaining about Fox New polls when it had Obama's approval ratings and similar polls of his administration higher than most. But since they show him in trouble? Oh, it must be bias and wrong! Sigh.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 30, 2010, 12:10:59 AM
FOX News: 43-50

Congressional Ballot: 47R-36D

Sample: 41R, 37D, 16I

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/072910_ObamaElections.pdf

Interesting:

Obama loses among Independents in this poll by 36-56, but he was leading in the Ipsos poll by double-digits.

FoX Propaganda Channel must be assuming a huge D-to-R shift of voters even when the GOP isn't gaining much respect.

Garbage in, garbage out.

I know Fox News has Obama's approval rating as one of the lowest as of today. But over all, it's tended on the higher (well at the very least medium) end of the spectrum.

Once again people are using numbers only when it suits them. Fox News, while the organization itself is clearly bias, has had pretty fair polls of Obama for the past 2 years.

I didn't hear anyone complaining about Fox New polls when it had Obama's approval ratings and similar polls of his administration higher than most. But since they show him in trouble? Oh, it must be bias and wrong! Sigh.

FoX used to have objective polls and could have them again. This one is a turkey.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on July 30, 2010, 12:35:12 AM
FOX News: 43-50

Congressional Ballot: 47R-36D

Sample: 41R, 37D, 16I

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/072910_ObamaElections.pdf

Interesting:

Obama loses among Independents in this poll by 36-56, but he was leading in the Ipsos poll by double-digits.

FoX Propaganda Channel must be assuming a huge D-to-R shift of voters even when the GOP isn't gaining much respect.

Garbage in, garbage out.

I know Fox News has Obama's approval rating as one of the lowest as of today. But over all, it's tended on the higher (well at the very least medium) end of the spectrum.

Once again people are using numbers only when it suits them. Fox News, while the organization itself is clearly bias, has had pretty fair polls of Obama for the past 2 years.

I didn't hear anyone complaining about Fox New polls when it had Obama's approval ratings and similar polls of his administration higher than most. But since they show him in trouble? Oh, it must be bias and wrong! Sigh.

FoX used to have objective polls and could have them again. This one is a turkey.

So what happened in the last month or two that made Fox News Polls unbelievable? Did they only just switch from being fair and balanced to being right wing oriented? Once again, sigh.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 30, 2010, 07:37:09 AM
Pennsylvania Survey of 750 Likely Voters

Conducted July 28, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

  

    26% Strongly approve

    20% Somewhat approve

      9% Somewhat disapprove

    45% Strongly disapprove

      0% Not sure

Washington State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted July 28, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

       31% Strongly approve
       19% Somewhat approve
         9% Somewhat disapprove
       40% Strongly disapprove
         1% Not sure

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  144
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  54
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 100
white                        too close to call  110
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  73
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  47
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  116
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on July 30, 2010, 08:19:05 AM
Has there ever been an election US history when self-described R's outnumbered D's. I thought was the worst, and that was parity.

2002. Republicans made up 39% of voters according to the VNS; Democrats made up 38%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on July 30, 2010, 11:40:55 AM
I been working on some new maps. These map are of Rasmussen polls number because they are the only polls they do strong/somewhat polls. What I did is I took the all of the strong numbers plus half of the somewhat numbers and added them together. That would be the first map you see. The 2nd map, is a map of giving Obama 60% of the undecided numbers.

For Example:

State Josh: Obama approval rating:

Strong Approve: 24%
Somewhat Approve: 10%
Somewhat Disapprove: 20%
Strong Disapprove: 46%

46+10=56%, 24+5=29%; basic number(first map) 56% - 29% - 15% Rep State

For 2nd map: 60% of 15= 9; 29+9=38% / 40% of 15=6; 56+6=62%

So if the election was held today the state of Josh would vote 62-38 for the Republican Candidate.



Map one:

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Key:

30% shade: 0-5% lead
40% shade: 6-12% lead
50% shade: 13-20% lead
80% shade: 21 and up lead



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(Grey = Tie)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 30, 2010, 12:51:14 PM
FL (Quinnipiac): 46-50

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1483


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on July 30, 2010, 04:11:30 PM
Nevada (Las-Vegas Review Journal)

39-55

http://www.lvrj.com/hottopics/politics/polls/July_30_2010_1.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ronnie on July 30, 2010, 04:32:03 PM
It's a consensus now that Obama has a negative approval rating.  This is certainly bad news for the Democrats.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on July 30, 2010, 04:49:16 PM
There are two problems with this. 
1) Obama's low approval rating in liberal states like Oregon in Maine can be partially attributed to liberals who are disatisfied with his administration but would not vote for a Republican (though might vote for an independent or Green if a serious one appeared in protest).
2) The GOP may end up shooting themselves in the foot and nominating someone like Palin.

Still, those are good maps.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on July 30, 2010, 08:05:28 PM
http://(
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Battlegrounds:

Ohio 52-48 GOP
Penn 53-47 GOP
Florida 57-43 GOP
Nevada 55-43 GOP
Colorado 57-42 GOP
Oregon 52-48 GOP
New Jersey 51-49 GOP
New Hampshire 59-40 GOP
New Mexico 52-48 GOP
Michigan 51-49 GOP
Minnesota 50-49 GOP
Wisconsin 51-48 Obama
Iowa 50-48 Obama
Maine 50-49 Obama
Washington 50-49 Obama
Delaware 50-49 GOP

Those are the most recent approvals I've seen for Obama. He would likely lose Biden's home state of Delaware with such a performance to date.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 31, 2010, 09:15:16 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 44%, -3.

Disapprove 56%, +3 .


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, +3.

 In the last month Obama's numbers range has been:


Approve:  42-49 (or 45.5% +/-  3.5)

Disapprove: 50-56 (or 53.0% +/- 3.0)

Strongly Approve: 24-28 (or 26.0 +/- 2.0)

Strongly Disapprove:  39-45 (or 42.0 +/-3.0)

There is less variability that in June.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on July 31, 2010, 09:52:33 AM
I've been kind of lazy in doing the charts of state-by-state national averages, but here's the national numbers as of now:

All State Polls:  46% Approve, 50% Disapprove
Rasmussen (3-poll) Only:  48% Approve, 51% Disapprove
Rasmussen (1-poll) Only:  48% Approve, 52% Disapprove
Non-Rasmussen Only:  45% Approve, 49% Disapprove

At the end of July, only minor changes.

All State Polls:  46% Approve (+/-0), 50% Disapprove (+/-0)
Rasmussen (3-poll) Only:  48% Approve (+/-0), 51% Disapprove (+/-0)
Rasmussen (1-poll) Only:  47% Approve (-1), 52% Disapprove (+/-0)
Non-Rasmussen Only:  46% Approve (+1), 49% Disapprove (+/-0)

I may put up a state chart for all state polls soon.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on July 31, 2010, 10:08:11 AM
No chart, just list (don't feel like it)

Alabama: 41% Approve, 58% Disapprove
Alaska: 40% Approve, 58% Disapprove
Arizona: 44% Approve, 55% Disapprove
Arkansas: 34% Approve, 65% Disapprove
California: 54% Approve, 41% Disapprove
Colorado: 44% Approve, 54% Disapprove
Connecticut: 52% Approve, 45% Disapprove
Delaware: 49% Approve, 48% Disapprove
Florida: 46% Approve, 50% Disapprove
Georgia: 40% Approve, 55% Disapprove
Hawaii: 72% Approve, 26% Disapprove
Idaho: 32% Approve, 68% Disapprove
Illinois: 54% Approve, 42% Disapprove
Indiana: 39% Approve, 57% Disapprove
Iowa: 47% Approve, 50% Disapprove
Kansas: 33% Approve, 65% Disapprove
Kentucky: 40% Approve, 57% Disapprove
Louisiana: 39% Approve, 58% Disapprove
Maine: 50% Approve, 49% Disapprove
Maryland: 55% Approve, 40% Disapprove
Massachusetts: 54% Approve, 46% Disapprove
Michigan: 48% Approve, 51% Disapprove
Minnesota: 50% Approve, 50% Disapprove
Mississippi: 37% Approve, 60% Disapprove
Missouri: 40% Approve, 55% Disapprove
Montana: 42% Approve, 57% Disapprove
Nebraska: 34% Approve, 66% Disapprove
Nevada: 42% Approve, 54% Disapprove
New Hampshire: 46% Approve, 52% Disapprove
New Jersey: 51% Approve, 46% Disapprove
New Mexico: 49% Approve, 48% Disapprove
New York: 53% Approve, 44% Disapprove
North Carolina: 45% Approve, 52% Disapprove
North Dakota: 40% Approve, 59% Disapprove
Ohio: 44% Approve, 53% Disapprove
Oklahoma: 36% Approve, 64% Disapprove
Oregon: 47% Approve, 51% Disapprove
Pennsylvania: 45% Approve, 51% Disapprove
Rhode Island: 50% Approve, 50% Disapprove
South Carolina: 44% Approve, 49% Disapprove
South Dakota: 40% Approve, 59% Disapprove
Tennessee: 42% Approve, 54% Disapprove
Texas: 37% Approve, 58% Disapprove
Utah: 33% Approve, 63% Disapprove
Vermont: 62% Approve, 37% Disapprove
Virginia: 49% Approve, 50% Disapprove
Washington: 51% Approve, 47% Disapprove
West Virginia: 32% Approve, 67% Disapprove
Wisconsin: 48% Approve, 49% Disapprove
Wyoming: 30% Approve, 70% Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Beet on July 31, 2010, 11:05:40 AM
Briefly glancing over these...

Unexpectedly High:
Kentucky (40%)
Alaska (40%)
North Dakota (40%)
South Dakota (40%)

Unexpectedly Low:
New York (53%)
Rhode Island (50%)

Hawai'i is just absurd.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 31, 2010, 01:13:23 PM
Briefly glancing over these...

Unexpectedly High:
Kentucky (40%)
Alaska (40%)
North Dakota (40%)
South Dakota (40%)

Unexpectedly Low:
New York (53%)
Rhode Island (50%)

Hawai'i is just absurd.


It could reflect a reduction in interstate polarization in voting from 2008.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on July 31, 2010, 01:18:47 PM
Briefly glancing over these...

Unexpectedly High:
Kentucky (40%)
Alaska (40%)
North Dakota (40%)
South Dakota (40%)

Unexpectedly Low:
New York (53%)
Rhode Island (50%)

Hawai'i is just absurd.


It could reflect a reduction in interstate polarization in voting from 2008.

That could be true.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 01, 2010, 08:41:25 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 44%, u.

Disapprove 55%, -1 .


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, -1.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: memphis on August 01, 2010, 09:43:18 AM
Hawai'i is just absurd a bunch of Asians rooting for the home team.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 01, 2010, 09:55:41 AM
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Beet on August 01, 2010, 10:15:48 AM
Hawai'i is just absurd a bunch of Asians rooting for the home team.

Obama's not Asian.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on August 01, 2010, 10:55:22 AM
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Kentucky (40%)

I'd agree with that, especially considering the way Ohio, Indiana and West Virginia are acting.

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Alaska (40%)

Democrats always overpoll in Alaska, so I would read too much into this number.

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North Dakota (40%)
South Dakota (40%)

The reversion to 2004 from 2008 effect is in application here, probably.  Much like Indiana, for example.

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New York (53%)

If Obama's approval rating is really where it is right now, the deterioration should be strongest in white middle/upper-middle class suburbs outside the usual Southern areas (not DC suburbs or Miami, but otherwise).  As a subset of the group, I'd expect that, given Obama, the deterioration should be especially strong in areas where race is usually an issue and a problem.

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Rhode Island (50%)

Rhode Island polling sucks.  Furthermore, it tends to overpoll Republicans.  Sure, Obama's lost ground, but not this much - there's no reason why.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 01, 2010, 12:16:21 PM
WI, NY, IL, OK, PA, WA, FL, NV,

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 01, 2010, 01:16:28 PM

Lol, Oklahoma.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on August 01, 2010, 01:44:54 PM

Oh, Oklahoma.  lol indeed. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 01, 2010, 02:00:55 PM

Right. The state has elected two Senators whose ideologies verge on fascism.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 01, 2010, 02:33:50 PM

Right. The state has elected two Senators whose ideologies verge on fascism.
Care to explain how Coburn is on the verge of fascism? I'm do not particularly care for his views much but a fascist he is not.
to quote...well, you.

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1. Is Barack Obama Coburn a dictator, or a front for someone with dictatorial power ?
I think this answer is obvious.

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2. Does he exercise complete power, or is he part of a clique that exercises complete power?
He is usualy one of the senators fighting against that.

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3. Does he suppress all opposition?

I have a strange feeling someone is going to spin it as "He gets re-elected, that means he is supressing opposition!"

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4. Does the President Senator quash all dissent?
He is pretty transparent about what he does.

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5. Has he regimented all industry?
LOL if you think so.

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6. Is the President Senator an aggressive nationalist?
eh, he does seem to be in the "MURICA, F%$K YEAH!" crowed, but not hitler kind of nationalist.

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7. Is he a racist?
I would like you to please cite evidence of this if he is, if you can't find anything other than "He is from Oklahoma" then I suggest you please  refrain from calling him fascist.

Like I said earlier, not a big Coburn fan, that being said, he is one of the better more principled senators.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on August 01, 2010, 02:34:43 PM
WI, NY, IL, OK, PA, WA, FL, NV,

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

lol Vermont


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: memphis on August 01, 2010, 06:47:28 PM

He was born in Hawaii and is the current President. I don't think Obama's race really plays into it, but Asians have more "loyalty" in their culture than is common in whitebread America.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on August 02, 2010, 08:43:31 AM
Obama Approval Rating July 2010 (Gallup):

46% Approve

47% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 40/43 (July 1978)

Reagan: 42/47 (July 1982)

Bush I: 62/25 (July 1990)

Clinton: 43/49 (July 1994)

Bush II: 72/22 (July 2002)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 02, 2010, 08:51:32 AM
South Carolina State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted July 29, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President…do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

  

    28% Strongly approve

    12% Somewhat approve

    10% Somewhat disapprove

    48% Strongly disapprove

      3% Not sure

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

C* -- March 2010, after the passage of Health Care Reform legislation in the House.

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  144
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  54
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 100
white                        too close to call  110
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  64
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  56
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  116
 

44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 02, 2010, 08:58:23 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, +1.

Disapprove 54%, -1 .


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%,+1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -1.






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on August 02, 2010, 04:32:09 PM
Obama Approval Rating July 2010 (Gallup):

46% Approve

47% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 40/43 (July 1978)

Reagan: 42/47 (July 1982)

Bush I: 62/25 (July 1990)

Clinton: 43/49 (July 1994)

Bush II: 72/22 (July 2002)


All in perspective, it's not all that bad.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on August 02, 2010, 06:47:50 PM
Yeah, he's doing better than Carter, Reagan and Clinton were.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 02, 2010, 08:32:19 PM
Obama Approval Rating July 2010 (Gallup):

46% Approve

47% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 40/43 (July 1978)

Reagan: 42/47 (July 1982)

Bush I: 62/25 (July 1990)

Clinton: 43/49 (July 1994)

Bush II: 72/22 (July 2002)


An oddity: the ones with the two highest approval ratings were either defeated or came close to being defeated. The elder Bush had practically no legislative legacy; Dubya's was largely patronage for special interests, but even that is more efficacious in getting re-elected.

Reagan and Clinton each had a legislative agenda. Ronald Reagan was more successful at getting his passed. Legislative success would seem to be the key to getting re-elected   irrespective of the content. Getting it passed early is decisive. The first year and a half is essential, because it takes almost another two years for people to get accustomed to it.

What was Carter's legislative success? At the same time he was only two points behind Reagan and three behind Clinton in approval rating. Clinton got nearly 54.7% of the popular votes (rule out the Perot vote effectively wasted) that meant anything and 379 electoral votes. Reagan got about 58.8% of the popular vote and 525 electoral votes.

So Carter should have gotten at least 52% of the popular vote and maybe 330 or so electoral votes? No, it wasn't only the 444 Americans held hostage in Iran; if Jimmy Carter really had a legislative success he might have had more credibility to thugs in Iran.

Liberals may have despised Ronald Reagan, but he was effective. Effective is good enough for winning re-election. It shows decisiveness.

So far, except for the side of the political spectrum, Obama has more in common with Reagan than with Carter.  That's not to say that Barack Obama will win  58% of the popular vote and force people to wait until very late on Election Night, 2002 (when the result for the 3rd Congressional District of Nebraska is the first to go for the Republican nominee along with Wyoming, Utah, and Idaho). President Obama has one characteristic that absolutely ensures that he will not win a Reagan-like mandate in 2012, and it is so obvious that it need not be mentioned. Colin Powell would have the same problem.

But that is far less of a political problem than what Jimmy Carter had: non-achievement as a whole.  John Anderson funneling away what would have been liberal votes? Had Jimmy Carter been at all effective, then John Anderson would be largely a forgotten man except in his Congressional district, and he would have been elected. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 03, 2010, 12:32:31 AM
CA (PPIC):

2502 Adults: 56-38
1971 RV: 54-41
1321 LV: 50-46

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/other/APR_Obama0710.pdf

AZ (Rasmussen): 39-60

LINK (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arizona/toplines/toplines_arizona_senate_july_29_2010)

MN (Star Tribune): 44-44

http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/99734359.html?elr=KArks8c7PaP3E77K_3c::D3aDhUMEaPc:E7_ec7PaP3iUiacyKUnciaec8O7EyUr

NH (UNH/WMUR): 51-44 (51-42 favorable)

http://www.unh.edu/survey-center/news/pdf/gsp2010_summer_presapp080210.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 03, 2010, 06:12:11 AM
CA (PPIC):

2502 Adults: 56-38
1971 RV: 54-41
1321 LV: 50-46

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/other/APR_Obama0710.pdf

AZ (Rasmussen): 39-60

LINK (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arizona/toplines/toplines_arizona_senate_july_29_2010)

MN (Star Tribune): 44-44

http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/99734359.html?elr=KArks8c7PaP3E77K_3c::D3aDhUMEaPc:E7_ec7PaP3iUiacyKUnciaec8O7EyUr

NH (UNH/WMUR): 51-44 (51-42 favorable)

http://www.unh.edu/survey-center/news/pdf/gsp2010_summer_presapp080210.pdf

MN -- too many undecided, CA too long a polling period. Otherwise OK.

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  144
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  54
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 100
white                        too close to call  110
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  53
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  56
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  127



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 03, 2010, 08:41:43 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, +1.

Disapprove 53%, -1 .


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%,+1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 03, 2010, 02:19:44 PM
NY (Rasmussen): 57-42

CO (Rasmussen): 44-55

WA (PPP): 49-47

MN -- too many undecided, and too long a polling period. Otherwise OK.

Shouldn´t a tie be white in your map ?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 03, 2010, 02:31:44 PM
CA, WA, NY, CO, AZ, MN, &NH
(And got around to fixing the numbers on Maine and Nebraska!)

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 03, 2010, 04:44:19 PM
Florida Survey of 750 Likely Voters

Conducted August 2, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly

approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s

been doing?

     

        31% Strongly approve

       18% Somewhat approve

         6% Somewhat disapprove

       44% Strongly disapprove

          0% Not sure


 Nearly 50-50 approval in the most "purple" of states.


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  144
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  82
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 72
white                        too close to call  20
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  44
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  56
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  127



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......








Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 03, 2010, 04:53:39 PM
NY (Rasmussen): 57-42

CO (Rasmussen): 44-55

WA (PPP): 49-47

MN -- too many undecided, CA too long a polling period. Otherwise OK.

Shouldn´t a tie be white in your map ?

I don't have a category for under 45% but tied, which is practically worthless. 45% or more? A tie would probably appear white. When undecided are larger than the margin of error one has a poll that says that most people have yet to have an opinion.

Most of the polls are Rasmussen, anyway, and they almost never show 10% undecided on approval of the President.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on August 03, 2010, 05:06:44 PM
NY (Rasmussen): 57-42

CO (Rasmussen): 44-55

WA (PPP): 49-47

MN -- too many undecided, CA too long a polling period. Otherwise OK.

Shouldn´t a tie be white in your map ?

I don't have a category for under 45% but tied, which is practically worthless. 45% or more? A tie would probably appear white. When undecided are larger than the margin of error one has a poll that says that most people have yet to have an opinion.

Most of the polls are Rasmussen, anyway, and they almost never show 10% undecided on approval of the President.

So in other words you don't want to use this poll because it makes Obama look bad.. Ok, good to know.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on August 03, 2010, 08:43:07 PM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the new USA Today/Gallup poll that has Obama at 41%....ouch.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 03, 2010, 10:14:16 PM
NY (Rasmussen): 57-42

CO (Rasmussen): 44-55

WA (PPP): 49-47

MN -- too many undecided, CA too long a polling period. Otherwise OK.

Shouldn´t a tie be white in your map ?

I don't have a category for under 45% but tied, which is practically worthless. 45% or more? A tie would probably appear white. When undecided are larger than the margin of error one has a poll that says that most people have yet to have an opinion.

Most of the polls are Rasmussen, anyway, and they almost never show 10% undecided on approval of the President.

So in other words you don't want to use this poll because it makes Obama look bad.. Ok, good to know.

If I used it I would have to give it the infamous letter S.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 04, 2010, 12:21:07 AM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the new USA Today/Gallup poll that has Obama at 41%....ouch.

Probably an outlier but that poll should be good for a toxic news cycle. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 04, 2010, 01:17:19 AM
Wyoming (Mason Dixon):

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on August 04, 2010, 02:19:21 AM
Not bad, considering Obama got 32% of the vote there in 2008.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 04, 2010, 08:25:20 AM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the new USA Today/Gallup poll that has Obama at 41%....ouch.

Extremely inconsistent with Rasmussen giving a 49-50 split in Florida today. One or the other is an outlier.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 04, 2010, 09:24:09 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 53%, u.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 04, 2010, 10:13:12 AM

EGFP -- so I can't use it.

Hardest-to-get electoral votes for Obama, 2012:

1. NE-03
2. Wyoming
3. Utah
4. Idaho
5. Oklahoma
6. Alaska


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 04, 2010, 10:35:41 AM
New Jersey (FDU)

49% Approve
40% Disapprove

The Fairleigh Dickinson University poll of 801 registered voters statewide was conducted by telephone from July 27, 2010, through August 2, 2010, and has a margin of error of +/- 3.5 percentage points.

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/gov1008/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 04, 2010, 11:12:27 AM
FL (Rasmussen): 49-50

OH (Rasmussen): 46-53


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 04, 2010, 11:34:25 AM
NC (PPP): 46-50

Do you support or oppose holding the 2012 Democratic National Convention in North Carolina ?

58% Support
23% Oppose

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_804.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 04, 2010, 12:06:55 PM
Ohio Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 2, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

      

       29% Strongly approve

       17% Somewhat approve

       11% Somewhat disapprove

       42% Strongly disapprove

         1% Not sure

NC, too.  An campaigning in either state would win the state.


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  144
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  82
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 87
white                        too close to call  20
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  44
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  41
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  127



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......









Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on August 04, 2010, 07:19:01 PM
FL (Rasmussen): 49-50

OH (Rasmussen): 46-53

Looks like VA, OH and FL will be the states that decide who is president in 2012. Colorado seems to have gone back to a Republican lean.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Derek on August 04, 2010, 09:28:10 PM
He's doing terrible and clinging onto anything that he thinks may help him. Support amongst blacks and hispanics is down too.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 05, 2010, 09:27:32 AM
California State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 3, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

     34% Strongly approve
     22% Somewhat approve
       7% Somewhat disapprove
     34% Strongly disapprove
       3% Not sure

Kansas State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted August 4, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

22% Strongly approve
14% Somewhat approve
14% Somewhat disapprove
49% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure

Michigan Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted August 4, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

30% Strongly approve
16% Somewhat approve
12% Somewhat disapprove
42% Strongly disapprove
  0% Not sure


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  144
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  82
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 87
white                        too close to call  20
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  44
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  41
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  127



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 05, 2010, 02:03:01 PM
NC needs to be red in your map and MN needs to be completely white.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 05, 2010, 02:07:47 PM
NC needs to be red in your map and MN needs to be completely white.
Thanks, didn't notice NC, and for MN, the only time the map deals with the disapproval number is when its approval is under 50% but still higher than disapproval, so all the map is noting is that approval is at 44%. Had disapproval been any higher, it would be yellow.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 05, 2010, 02:11:35 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 54%, +1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.


Strongly Approve is at the upper end of range.  Keep an eye on it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 05, 2010, 02:12:23 PM
NC needs to be red in your map and MN needs to be completely white.
Thanks, didn't notice NC, and for MN, the only time the map deals with the disapproval number is when its approval is under 50% but still higher than disapproval, so all the map is noting is that approval is at 44%. Had disapproval been any higher, it would be yellow.

Yeah, but a tie should be white. Pbrower is also not using it ... Your maps assume Obama´s in negative territory in MN, yet the undecideds could easily put him above 50% or at least into positive territory. *grrml*


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 05, 2010, 02:27:47 PM
MI ,NC, KS, CA, OH & FL

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Reaganfan on August 05, 2010, 07:09:23 PM
http://www.examiner.com/x-47431-Chicago-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m8d3-Obama-Approval-Rating-As-different-as-Black-and-White

A recent Gallup poll shows that President Barack Obama’s approval rating definitely follows race lines. While 88% of American Blacks rate the President well, only 38% of Whites do the same.

Approve of President Obama

Blacks: 88%
Whites: 38%

That's a 50% gap. Astounding.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 06, 2010, 12:01:40 AM
NC, KS, CA, OH & FL

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Thx :)

Maybe pbrower will now also see that a tie needs its own colour.

BTW:

Michigan (Rasmussen): 54-46


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 06, 2010, 12:14:06 AM
NC, KS, CA, OH & FL

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Thx :)

Maybe pbrower will now also see that a tie needs its own colour.

BTW:

Michigan (Rasmussen): 54-46
you got them backwards, its 46-54. no color change, but I do need to put an 8 on there now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 06, 2010, 12:15:28 AM
NC, KS, CA, OH & FL

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Thx :)

Maybe pbrower will now also see that a tie needs its own colour.

BTW:

Michigan (Rasmussen): 54-46
you got them backwards, its 46-54. no color change, but I do need to put an 8 on there now.

Ah sry, of course its 46-54 ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 06, 2010, 12:26:18 AM
NC, KS, CA, OH & FL

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Thx :)

Maybe pbrower will now also see that a tie needs its own colour.

BTW:

Michigan (Rasmussen): 54-46
you got them backwards, its 46-54. no color change, but I do need to put an 8 on there now.

Ah sry, of course its 46-54 ...
I was just looking over that poll, I want to know who are the 5% in Michigan who rate their economy as excellent ???


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 06, 2010, 12:32:21 AM
NC, KS, CA, OH & FL

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)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Thx :)

Maybe pbrower will now also see that a tie needs its own colour.

BTW:

Michigan (Rasmussen): 54-46
you got them backwards, its 46-54. no color change, but I do need to put an 8 on there now.

Ah sry, of course its 46-54 ...
I was just looking over that poll, I want to know who are the 5% in Michigan who rate their economy as excellent ???

Wealthy folks. As long as they have the money, it doesn´t matter to them what the overall economy is like. They only care for themselves.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on August 06, 2010, 06:36:37 AM
NC, KS, CA, OH & FL

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)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Thx :)

Maybe pbrower will now also see that a tie needs its own colour.

BTW:

Michigan (Rasmussen): 54-46
you got them backwards, its 46-54. no color change, but I do need to put an 8 on there now.

Ah sry, of course its 46-54 ...
I was just looking over that poll, I want to know who are the 5% in Michigan who rate their economy as excellent ???

Wealthy folks. As long as they have the money, it doesn´t matter to them what the overall economy is like. They only care for themselves.

"Wealthy folks" also tend to lose money. Also, they aren't stupid.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 06, 2010, 09:01:13 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 53%, -1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.


Strongly Approve is now the highest it has been in a month.  If it holds or improves through Monday (even above 29%), Obama has improved slightly.  If there is a big drop, it is merely a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 06, 2010, 09:28:57 AM
North Carolina Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted August 3, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

24% Strongly approve
17% Somewhat approve
  9% Somewhat disapprove
48% Strongly disapprove
  2% Not sure



PPP had 46%; Rasmussen has 42%. Within two days by reputable and different pollsters, so an average.

California State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 3, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

34% Strongly approve
22% Somewhat approve
  7% Somewhat disapprove
34% Strongly disapprove

I do not average polls by the same pollster; the latter one takes precedence.


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

(
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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  144
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  82
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 72
white                        too close to call  35
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  44
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  41
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  127



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 06, 2010, 12:24:45 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 53%, -1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.


Strongly Approve is now the highest it has been in a month.  If it holds or improves through Monday (even above 29%), Obama has improved slightly.  If there is a big drop, it is merely a bad sample.

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Possible explanation:

Quote
The Rasmussen Reports Media Meter shows that media coverage of President Obama has been 51% positive over the past week.

Good news, or at least the absence of bad news (even if the bad news is the result of things for which the President is in no way culpable for, like the undersea oil spill resulting from Deepwater Horizon) is good for the President's approval rating.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on August 06, 2010, 12:27:21 PM
North Carolina Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted August 3, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

24% Strongly approve
17% Somewhat approve
  9% Somewhat disapprove
48% Strongly disapprove
  2% Not sure



PPP had 46%; Rasmussen has 42%. Within two days by reputable and different pollsters, so an average.

California State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 3, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

34% Strongly approve
22% Somewhat approve
  7% Somewhat disapprove
34% Strongly disapprove

I do not average polls by the same pollster; the latter one takes precedence.


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)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  144
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  82
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 72
white                        too close to call  35
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  44
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  41
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  127



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......




Why is NC white on your map?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 06, 2010, 12:51:41 PM
SD (Rasmussen): 41-58


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 06, 2010, 01:20:54 PM

I averaged a Rasmussen and a PPP poll a couple days apart.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 06, 2010, 06:00:27 PM
Delaware State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted August 5, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

40% Strongly approve
15% Somewhat approve
  6% Somewhat disapprove
38% Strongly disapprove
  0% Not sure

South Dakota Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted August 3, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

  
    20% Strongly approve
    21% Somewhat approve
    11% Somewhat disapprove
    47% Strongly disapprove
      1% Not sure


(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  144
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  82
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 72
white                        too close to call  35
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  44
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  41
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  127



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 06, 2010, 06:02:08 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 53%, -1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.


Strongly Approve is now the highest it has been in a month.  If it holds or improves through Monday (even above 29%), Obama has improved slightly.  If there is a big drop, it is merely a bad sample.

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Possible explanation:

Quote
The Rasmussen Reports Media Meter shows that media coverage of President Obama has been 51% positive over the past week.

Good news, or at least the absence of bad news (even if the bad news is the result of things for which the President is in no way culpable for, like the undersea oil spill resulting from Deepwater Horizon) is good for the President's approval rating.   

I think the positive coverage has tended to be higher.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on August 06, 2010, 09:54:52 PM
Gallup: 45/49

It's fair to say that Rasmussen is no longer an outlier in terms of obama's approval ratings.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 07, 2010, 08:59:20 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, +1.

Disapprove 51%, -2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.

Tomorrow or Monday should show if this is a bad sample or movement toward obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 07, 2010, 12:07:32 PM
Gallup: 46-47 (+1, -2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 08, 2010, 08:02:56 AM
Rasmussen (08/08/2010):

48% Approve (nc)
51% Disapprove (nc)

31% Strongly Approve (+1)
41% Strongly Disapprove (nc)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 08, 2010, 08:22:15 AM
Rasmussen (08/08/2010):

48% Approve (nc)
51% Disapprove (nc)

31% Strongly Approve (+1)
41% Strongly Disapprove (nc)

So, movement towards Obama?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 08, 2010, 08:54:29 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 51%, u.


"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

Three good days for Obama, and Thursday's number was at the upper edge of the normal range.  We should know tomorrow if this is a bad sample or if this is movement towards Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 08, 2010, 09:13:29 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 51%, u.


"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

Three good days for Obama, and Thursday's number was at the upper edge of the normal range.  We should know tomorrow if this is a bad sample or if this is movement towards Obama.

Just watch the statewide polls that Rasmussen makes so many of. If some states on my map go from brown to orange or beige, beige to sand, sand to green, or from paler shades of  green to darker shades of green on my map of polls, then something is going on. Some states might be more volatile than others, especially those that have been at the top of their categories, and some states (CO? NC? NV? TX?) may be more volatile than others. Statewide polls tend to lag nationwide polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 08, 2010, 11:07:17 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 51%, u.


"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

Three good days for Obama, and Thursday's number was at the upper edge of the normal range.  We should know tomorrow if this is a bad sample or if this is movement towards Obama.

Just watch the statewide polls that Rasmussen makes so many of. If some states on my map go from brown to orange or beige, beige to sand, sand to green, or from paler shades of  green to darker shades of green on my map of polls, then something is going on. Some states might be more volatile than others, especially those that have been at the top of their categories, and some states (CO? NC? NV? TX?) may be more volatile than others. Statewide polls tend to lag nationwide polls.

I'm looking nationally at this point and for trends.  It is a far cry from last year when Obama getting 48% is considered a very good number.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 09, 2010, 07:43:50 AM
New Hampshire Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted August 5, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

      

       36% Strongly approve  

       13% Somewhat approve

         8% Somewhat disapprove

       42% Strongly disapprove

         1% Not sure

Iowa Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted August 5, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

      

       29% Strongly approve

       19% Somewhat approve

         8% Somewhat disapprove

       44% Strongly disapprove

         0% Not sure


(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  138
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  82
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 78
white                        too close to call  35
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  44
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  41
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  127



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 09, 2010, 08:55:25 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, -2.

Disapprove 52%, +1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +2.

Good Obama sample dropped off.  The Strongly Approved number is at the high end of the normal range.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 09, 2010, 01:17:24 PM
Iowa (Rasmussen): 48-52


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 09, 2010, 02:10:09 PM
IA, SD, CA, NC, NH,  & DE

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on August 10, 2010, 01:44:03 AM
Gallup 45/48

Obama's approval among whites is 34%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on August 10, 2010, 02:07:12 AM
Gallup 45/48

Obama's approval among whites is 34%.

Where did you get the Crosstabs?  I've been looking for those for a while now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on August 10, 2010, 03:04:25 AM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

Let's just say that Gallup is a pretty favorable poll for Obama in the sense that it polls a ton of minorities.  The white vote more than likely isn't 70% of the sample in Gallup.

I cannot wait to watch Pbrower scream racisim when Palin is running up to 60% of the white vote on election day in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on August 10, 2010, 03:24:31 AM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

Let's just say that Gallup is a pretty favorable poll for Obama in the sense that it polls a ton of minorities.  The white vote more than likely isn't 70% of the sample in Gallup.

I cannot wait to watch Pbrower scream racisim when Palin is running up to 60% of the white vote on election day in 2012.

Thx.  Though the more interesting bit I found was that he was at 48% among Hispanics last week, though their small sample size makes big fluctuations more likely (he's back up to 62% this week), and that the Black/White gap is now 60% (94-34)

Though judging from those numbers, Gallup's weighting totals are approximately 75% White, 12.5% Hispanic, and 12.5% Black (assuming no other demographic subgroups were included).  It might be a bit less white and Hispanic, and a bit more black, but this is approximately correct.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: exopolitician on August 10, 2010, 06:06:48 AM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

Let's just say that Gallup is a pretty favorable poll for Obama in the sense that it polls a ton of minorities.  The white vote more than likely isn't 70% of the sample in Gallup.

I cannot wait to watch Pbrower scream racisim when Palin is running up to 60% of the white vote on election day in 2012.


Yeah....totally...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 10, 2010, 07:06:36 AM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

Let's just say that Gallup is a pretty favorable poll for Obama in the sense that it polls a ton of minorities.  The white vote more than likely isn't 70% of the sample in Gallup.

I cannot wait to watch Pbrower scream racism when Palin is running up to 60% of the white vote on election day in 2012.

In a contest between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama, Sarah Palin would still get the majority of the white vote nationwide. Maybe barely, but not enough to undo regional differences (the white vote really would go to Obama in Minnesota and Vermont).  She stands four-square for Corporate America and believes the myth that Corporate America offers.

Gutter racism is a comparative rarity in most of America. White people do not on the whole despise the legitimate achievements of non-white people. They don't have a problem with Clarence Thomas if he fits personal ideologies. Yes, Barack Obama was able to do better than Al Gore, John Kerry, Walter Mondale, and Jimmy Carter in winning white votes. He must have done something right.

I'm not going to deny the existence of such scum as the KKK, neo-Nazis, and the White Conservative Citizens' Councils. That said, blacks have some similarly-sleazy loose ends among themselves. If there is any distinction it is in some core political beliefs very rare among blacks and Latinos. The ideology is social darwinism, an ideology that accepts that all distinctions of human achievement result from inherent character instead of social environment, and that if people fail to achieve beyond an animal level of survival than it is a personal fault and not the result of an institutional failure.

Social darwinism is the core of the GOP ideology and such shows in its contempt for poor people of any kind who fail to accept the idea that if they work hard enough without complaint about the conditions of employment and terms of pay that they can live adequately. Such is not inherently racist; it is classist. It's an acceptance of the rules of economic inheritance and bureaucratic power; in essence it claims that people have an obligation to accept the consequences of choices made by tycoons and corporate bureaucrats as the true measure of human worth in economic terms. It is also anti-intellectual.

Social darwinism is not inherently racist, but it is comparatively rare among blacks, Latinos, and Asians. But it is surprising that poor white people have come to accept social darwinism as an ideology despite its harm. Maybe such was the sales pitch of televangelists who offer "pie-in-the-sky-when-you-die" as a reward for acceptance of harsh realities of economics.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 10, 2010, 08:39:44 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 44%, -2.

Disapprove 55%, +3.


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, +2.

The numbers are within the same range before last weekend.  While Obama's numbers have shown a dramatic drop over the last two days, it is consistent with a good Obama sample dropping off.

Note, however, that Approve is lower than Strongly Disapprove (which is also consistent with the previous pattern).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on August 10, 2010, 08:42:16 AM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

Let's just say that Gallup is a pretty favorable poll for Obama in the sense that it polls a ton of minorities.  The white vote more than likely isn't 70% of the sample in Gallup.

I cannot wait to watch Pbrower scream racism when Palin is running up to 60% of the white vote on election day in 2012.

In a contest between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama, Sarah Palin would still get the majority of the white vote nationwide. Maybe barely, but not enough to undo regional differences (the white vote really would go to Obama in Minnesota and Vermont).  She stands four-square for Corporate America and believes the myth that Corporate America offers.

Gutter racism is a comparative rarity in most of America. White people do not on the whole despise the legitimate achievements of non-white people. They don't have a problem with Clarence Thomas if he fits personal ideologies. Yes, Barack Obama was able to do better than Al Gore, John Kerry, Walter Mondale, and Jimmy Carter in winning white votes. He must have done something right.

I'm not going to deny the existence of such scum as the KKK, neo-Nazis, and the White Conservative Citizens' Councils. That said, blacks have some similarly-sleazy loose ends among themselves. If there is any distinction it is in some core political beliefs very rare among blacks and Latinos. The ideology is social darwinism, an ideology that accepts that all distinctions of human achievement result from inherent character instead of social environment, and that if people fail to achieve beyond an animal level of survival than it is a personal fault and not the result of an institutional failure.

Social darwinism is the core of the GOP ideology and such shows in its contempt for poor people of any kind who fail to accept the idea that if they work hard enough without complaint about the conditions of employment and terms of pay that they can live adequately. Such is not inherently racist; it is classist. It's an acceptance of the rules of economic inheritance and bureaucratic power; in essence it claims that people have an obligation to accept the consequences of choices made by tycoons and corporate bureaucrats as the true measure of human worth in economic terms. It is also anti-intellectual.

Social darwinism is not inherently racist, but it is comparatively rare among blacks, Latinos, and Asians. But it is surprising that poor white people have come to accept social darwinism as an ideology despite its harm. Maybe such was the sales pitch of televangelists who offer "pie-in-the-sky-when-you-die" as a reward for acceptance of harsh realities of economics.  

You are both spot on and dead wrong, depending on the point you were trying to make in the post.

The GOP and right-wing voters do not hate the poor. Many are descendants of poor immigrants. Some of them are poor themselves, and they all remember what it was like to be in their 20's. Get real.

Republicans politicians are no more pro-corporation that Obama. If anything they are less likely to support corporations. Right-wing voters themselves are very pro-small business.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 10, 2010, 10:41:04 AM
New Hampshire

Survey of 500 Likely Voters

August 5, 2010

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

  

    36% Strongly approve

     13% Somewhat approve

      8% Somewhat disapprove

    42% Strongly disapprove

      1% Not sure


(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  138
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  79
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 81
white                        too close to call  35
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  33
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  41
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  138



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 10, 2010, 10:50:59 AM
Indiana Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted August 4,5 and 7, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

    19% Strongly approve
    20% Somewhat approve
    13% Somewhat disapprove
    47% Strongly disapprove
      2% Not sure

A shift of 4% is enough to move a state from a close contest to something on the fringe of contention. President Obama obviously wins Indiana only if he wins by a nationwide landslide or has a strong presence in the state from before the spring of 2012. If he sees himself losing Indiana by a 55-45 margin (which my system predicts based on a 39% approval), then he will shift resources to where they can do more good for him. 


(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  138
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  82
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 78
white                        too close to call  35
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  33
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  41
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  138



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......


[/quote]

You've made Indiana green as opposed to yellow...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 10, 2010, 10:59:10 AM
Indiana Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted August 4,5 and 7, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

    19% Strongly approve
    20% Somewhat approve
    13% Somewhat disapprove
    47% Strongly disapprove
      2% Not sure

A shift of 4% is enough to move a state from a close contest to something on the fringe of contention. President Obama obviously wins Indiana only if he wins by a nationwide landslide or has a strong presence in the state from before the spring of 2012. If he sees himself losing Indiana by a 55-45 margin (which my system predicts based on a 39% approval), then he will shift resources to where they can do more good for him. 


(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  138
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  82
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 78
white                        too close to call  35
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  33
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  41
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  138



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......




You've made Indiana green as opposed to yellow...

It's supposed to be orange!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 10, 2010, 11:10:23 AM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

Let's just say that Gallup is a pretty favorable poll for Obama in the sense that it polls a ton of minorities.  The white vote more than likely isn't 70% of the sample in Gallup.

I cannot wait to watch Pbrower scream racisim when Palin is running up to 60% of the white vote on election day in 2012.

Gallup was really off in 2008, well outside of the MOE.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on August 10, 2010, 11:21:21 AM
Gallup was well-off in 2008 because it was too favorable to Obama.

yes, it could be off but it wouldn't be off in a way that is too unfavorable to Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 10, 2010, 11:42:10 AM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

Let's just say that Gallup is a pretty favorable poll for Obama in the sense that it polls a ton of minorities.  The white vote more than likely isn't 70% of the sample in Gallup.

I cannot wait to watch Pbrower scream racism when Palin is running up to 60% of the white vote on election day in 2012.

In a contest between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama, Sarah Palin would still get the majority of the white vote nationwide. Maybe barely, but not enough to undo regional differences (the white vote really would go to Obama in Minnesota and Vermont).  She stands four-square for Corporate America and believes the myth that Corporate America offers.

Gutter racism is a comparative rarity in most of America. White people do not on the whole despise the legitimate achievements of non-white people. They don't have a problem with Clarence Thomas if he fits personal ideologies. Yes, Barack Obama was able to do better than Al Gore, John Kerry, Walter Mondale, and Jimmy Carter in winning white votes. He must have done something right.

I'm not going to deny the existence of such scum as the KKK, neo-Nazis, and the White Conservative Citizens' Councils. That said, blacks have some similarly-sleazy loose ends among themselves. If there is any distinction it is in some core political beliefs very rare among blacks and Latinos. The ideology is social darwinism, an ideology that accepts that all distinctions of human achievement result from inherent character instead of social environment, and that if people fail to achieve beyond an animal level of survival than it is a personal fault and not the result of an institutional failure.

Social darwinism is the core of the GOP ideology and such shows in its contempt for poor people of any kind who fail to accept the idea that if they work hard enough without complaint about the conditions of employment and terms of pay that they can live adequately. Such is not inherently racist; it is classist. It's an acceptance of the rules of economic inheritance and bureaucratic power; in essence it claims that people have an obligation to accept the consequences of choices made by tycoons and corporate bureaucrats as the true measure of human worth in economic terms. It is also anti-intellectual.

Social darwinism is not inherently racist, but it is comparatively rare among blacks, Latinos, and Asians. But it is surprising that poor white people have come to accept social darwinism as an ideology despite its harm. Maybe such was the sales pitch of televangelists who offer "pie-in-the-sky-when-you-die" as a reward for acceptance of harsh realities of economics.  

You are both spot on and dead wrong, depending on the point you were trying to make in the post.

The GOP and right-wing voters do not hate the poor. Many are descendants of poor immigrants. Some of them are poor themselves, and they all remember what it was like to be in their 20's. Get real.

Republicans politicians are no more pro-corporation that Obama. If anything they are less likely to support corporations. Right-wing voters themselves are very pro-small business.

The New York Times had a remarkable tool for analyzing the 2008 Presidential election in which it gave a county-by-county spread of the vote and other factors -- such as percentages of people by ethnicity and religion, population density, income level, and percentage of people living in poverty.  The old pattern in which high-achieving, prosperous people voted Democratic and low-achieving, poor people voting Democratic that used to hold true did not hold true in 2008.

President Obama actually won some of the counties with the highest incomes -- including Westchester, Nassau, and Suffolk Counties in New York; every county in Massachusetts, DuPage and Will Counties in Illinois; Washtenaw County in Michigan, Prince George's and Montgomery County in Maryland; Loudoun and Fairfax Counties in Virginia; Marin, San Mateo, and Santa Clara Counties in California... it's not that these counties are full of middle-class blacks and Hispanics to the exclusion of everyone else. In contrast, some very poor counties in Appalachia -- places of severe poverty, low levels of personal income, and low achievements in education, voted strongly for John McCain.

There were some very poor communities that voted for Barack Obama, but those counties typically had high percentages of people either Native American (some Indian Reservations), black, or Hispanic. Poor white Americans, however, voted heavily Republican. The usual common wisdom that one can win the votes of poor people by promising welfare and upper-income people by promising tax cuts did not hold in 2008.

To the supreme credit of John McCain, he did not attack welfare recipients as Republican candidates used to do. But at that, Barack Obama treated poverty as the political equivalent of a Third Rail. Maybe Barack Obama couldn't safely address structural poverty in America as someone like Bill Clinton could. To win, Obama had to convince enough suburbanites that their problems were more the deterioration of public services and infrastructure than the "need" to cut taxes. To maintain middle-class status for their children, suburbanites need huge investments in public education that keep the costs of public colleges low enough so that kids can grow up to be schoolteachers, accountants, engineers, and the like instead of being consigned to permanent poverty in retail and clerical jobs. Likewise, traffic jams are often getting worse, and those cut into "quality time" with the kids. White poor people in rural areas have no such problem. Their kids often don't graduate from high school, and they are more likely to be members of fundamentalist churches that promise "pie-in-the-sky-when-you-die" as a reward for suffering in This World. They of course encounter a traffic jam only if they take an unlikely trip to Louisville, Cincinnati, Dallas, or Charlotte. If they die because of lacking medical care at age 55, they at least "are taken to Jesus".   Such may be the divide between those who prefer comfort in This World to That that can never be known here. Poor blacks, Hispanics, and unassimilated native Americans don't believe such claptrap -- yet. 





   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on August 10, 2010, 12:03:09 PM
You did not discredit anything I said. You did not even address anything I said.

All you did was try to make things about race.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 10, 2010, 12:34:38 PM
IN, DE, & CO

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 10, 2010, 12:57:52 PM
CO (PPP): 44-50
 
DE (PPP): 50-44

Tennessee (Rasmussen) coming later.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 10, 2010, 02:12:41 PM



Now here's what real trouble looks like for a politician:

California State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 3, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

Now I’m going to read you a short list of people in the News. For each, please let me know if you have a very favorable, somewhat favorable, somewhat unfavorable, or very unfavorable impression.

 

1.   Maxine Waters

 

                   12% Very favorable

                   16% Somewhat favorable

                   14% Somewhat unfavorable

                   34% Very unfavorable

                   24% Not sure


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 10, 2010, 02:18:16 PM
You did not discredit anything I said. You did not even address anything I said.

All you did was try to make things about race.

No. I discussed class and race together. Is that heretical -- or simply necessary?

I even said something good about the McCain candidacy.

I explained why poor whites could vote so differently from poor blacks, poor Hispanics, and poor American Indians.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 10, 2010, 05:03:10 PM
Tennessee State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted August 9, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

22% Strongly approve
15% Somewhat approve
10% Somewhat disapprove
52% Strongly disapprove
  0% Not sure


(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  138
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  79
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 81
white                        too close to call  35
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  22
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  41
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  149



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 10, 2010, 05:05:51 PM
TN

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on August 10, 2010, 09:59:36 PM
pbrower, I suggest you use purple instead of white for the predictions map for 2012, it looks more like a battleground state


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 10, 2010, 11:08:47 PM
pbrower, I suggest you use purple instead of white for the predictions map for 2012, it looks more like a battleground state

The color code does not support purple. It supports red, blue, green, yellow, and orange, and shades thereof. One might not get a true black, but give 10% yellow and you get a shade of white that shows a number or letter.   The shade of purple that I would have to use would be lavender, which leaves connotations irrelevant to this exercise.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 11, 2010, 10:32:04 AM
The color code does not support purple. It supports red, blue, green, yellow, and orange, and shades thereof. One might not get a true black, but give 10% yellow and you get a shade of white that shows a number or letter.   The shade of purple that I would have to use would be lavender, which leaves connotations irrelevant to this exercise.

Were pbrower to use lavender, he would be suggesting that Minnesota is gay, that Obama is gay, or perhaps most likely, that they are in a gay relationship with each other.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 11, 2010, 10:40:03 AM
Rasmussen has Obama at 54/46 in Illinois.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/illinois/toplines/toplines_illinois_senate_august_9_2010


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 11, 2010, 11:35:11 AM
PPP national:
47/48
(+2)/(-4)

Changes since 9-12/7


Do you support or oppose President Obama's health care plan, or do you not have an opinion?
46% Support, 48% Oppose

Do you think George W. Bush or Barack Obama is more responsible for the current state of the economy?
49% Bush, 40% Obama

Would you rather have Barack Obama or George W. Bush as President right now?
50% Obama, 43% Bush

Out of the last 5 Presidents: Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush, who do you think Barack Obama is most similar to?
41% Clinton, 35% Carter, 6% Reagan, 2% H.W. Bush, 2% W. Bush


http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_811.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on August 11, 2010, 11:45:12 AM
PPP national:
47/48
(+2)/(-4)

Changes since 9-12/7


Do you support or oppose President Obama's health care plan, or do you not have an opinion?
46% Support, 48% Oppose

Do you think George W. Bush or Barack Obama is more responsible for the current state of the economy?
49% Bush, 40% Obama

Would you rather have Barack Obama or George W. Bush as President right now?
50% Obama, 43% Bush

Out of the last 5 Presidents: Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush, who do you think Barack Obama is most similar to?
41% Clinton, 35% Carter, 6% Reagan, 2% H.W. Bush, 2% W. Bush


http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_811.pdf

Jesus, those Bush figures are just depressingly high.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 11, 2010, 12:14:43 PM
Illinois Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 9, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

    

35% Strongly approve
     19% Somewhat approve
       9% Somewhat disapprove
     37% Strongly disapprove
       0% Not sure

Wisconsin State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 10, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

30% Strongly approve
19% Somewhat approve
  9% Somewhat disapprove
41% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure


(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  138
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  51
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 109
white                        too close to call  35
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  22
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  41
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  149



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 11, 2010, 12:26:16 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 43%, -1.

Disapprove 56%, +1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 46%, +1.

The Strongly Disapprove number is a bit outside of range from July 1, but by much.  It could just be a bad Obama sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 11, 2010, 09:11:33 PM
IL & WI
Ras has WI at 49/51

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)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on August 11, 2010, 09:14:37 PM
Come on NJ, you can do it. Wake up! ;)

Although it has gone under 50% a few times... it has not, lately.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 12, 2010, 12:16:26 AM
Michigan back to green.

Glengariff Group for The Detroit News/WDIV: 50-46

http://www.clickondetroit.com/download/2010/0811/24595936.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 12, 2010, 12:32:31 AM
Michigan back to green.

Glengariff Group for The Detroit News/WDIV: 50-46

http://www.clickondetroit.com/download/2010/0811/24595936.pdf

Also, Missouri:

Missouri State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 10, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

    29% Strongly approve
    14% Somewhat approve
       8% Somewhat disapprove
    48% Strongly disapprove
      2% Not sure


... and Wisconsin:

Wisconsin State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 10, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

39% Strongly approve
19% Somewhat approve
  9% Somewhat disapprove
41% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure

Both of these polls come from Rasmussen.


Obama won Wisconsin by about a 56-44 split, so this one looks a bit screwy on the high side.


(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  148
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  57
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 93
white                        too close to call  24
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  33
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  41
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  149



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Reaganfan on August 12, 2010, 01:57:42 AM
Wow...I had no idea just how bad it's gotten...but the last 10 days, Obama's approval has sunk big-time. Down to 41% in some polls. Not long before he gets into George Bush 2007 territory.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on August 12, 2010, 02:31:46 AM
Wow...I had no idea just how bad it's gotten...but the last 10 days, Obama's approval has sunk big-time. Down to 41% in some polls. Not long before he gets into George Bush 2007 territory.

Not yet.  George Bush got so low because he lost alot of Conservative support during his second term--There are enough lefties to keep him above 40% on just their support alone.

In other words, until he does something to majorly piss off the kind of Leftists that vote straight Democrat anyway, he's got a floor of about 40%.  Though admittedly, Gibbs's recent statement means he's standing dangerously close to that territory.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on August 12, 2010, 02:43:19 AM
Wow...I had no idea just how bad it's gotten...but the last 10 days, Obama's approval has sunk big-time. Down to 41% in some polls. Not long before he gets into George Bush 2007 territory.

I hope you don't cry if Obama wins in 2012. You seem to really have your hopes up.....


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 12, 2010, 02:55:44 AM
Wow...I had no idea just how bad it's gotten...but the last 10 days, Obama's approval has sunk big-time. Down to 41% in some polls. Not long before he gets into George Bush 2007 territory.

Umm, Bush was in the 20s for much of 2007. There were a few polls that even had him in the teens. Obama isn't even close to that, although that isn't exactly saying much in Obama's defense.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 12, 2010, 06:05:03 AM
Wow...I had no idea just how bad it's gotten...but the last 10 days, Obama's approval has sunk big-time. Down to 41% in some polls. Not long before he gets into George Bush 2007 territory.

So what event has caused the polls to sink? A week ago they were rising.

All that is necessary to get reduced polls for Obama is for the pollster to change the partisan mix. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 12, 2010, 08:38:05 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, +2.

Disapprove 54%, -2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, -1.

The Strongly Disapprove number is back in range.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on August 12, 2010, 08:50:13 AM
Wait, why is Wisconsin green? The poll has 48% approving, 50% disapproving. You can't discount it just because you don't like the numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 12, 2010, 08:56:22 AM
A "Jet Blue" Nation? (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/08/12/4873830-first-thoughts-jet-blue-nation)

(I am not familiar with the airline, but I figure that it offers the sort of discounted air travel that makes one realize why some would pay $800 more to go First Class on a trip between Cleveland and Philadelphia, and that a bad airline trip differs from a bus trip only in speed, cost, and offering less scenery) -- my comment

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New NBC/WSJ poll suggests we’re living in a ‘Jet Blue’ nation… Survey also points to voters holding their noses when they head to the polls in November… In the generic ballot, GOP leads in the South but nowhere else… One problem for Obama solved (BP spill), but others remain (Afghanistan and economy)…

From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Ali Weinberg
*** Jet Blue Nation: If you follow politics and read polls, you already know the public is angry. But our new NBC/WSJ poll reveals that Americans are more than angry -- they're ready to cuss out someone over the intercom, grab a beer from the drink cart, and exit via the emergency slide. Consider: 60% believe the current Congress is either below average or among the worst, an all-time high in the survey; the percentage viewing the GOP favorably (24%-46% fav/unfav) is at an all-time low; the numbers for the Democratic Party aren’t much better (33%-44%, and the "very negative" for the Dems matches an all-time high); nearly six in 10 say the country is headed in the wrong direction; and 64% think the U.S. economy hasn’t yet hit rock bottom (“Recovery Summer," anyone?). “I think it’s a ‘Jet Blue’ election. Everyone is frustrated,” says NBC/WSJ co-pollster Peter Hart (D). “And everyone is headed for the emergency exit.”

 *** A hold-your-nose election: So what does this mean for the upcoming midterms? Well, if you’re a politician -- especially from the party that’s currently in power -- brace yourself for a tough election. The NBC/WSJ poll shows Democrats with a one-point advantage on the generic ballot (43%-42%), which is an improvement from its two-point deficit in June. But among those expressing a high interest in voting in November, the GOP has an 11-point edge (50%-39%). Yet that is down from the Republicans’ 21-point lead in June (56%-35%). Where Republicans have made major gains in the poll is on the issue of the economy. In July ’08, Dems held a 16-point advantage on this issue (41%-25%); a year later it was six points (35%-29%); and in March it was even (31%-31%). Now -- Republicans have a three-point edge (34%-31%). By the way, Republicans made gains on just about every domestic economic issue imaginable, including Social Security. The Dem lead on that issue is at its lowest point in 16 years. “The economic story is a vise on the Democratic Party that will lead to a very large electoral night for Republicans,” says co-pollster Bill McInturff (R).

*** It’s the geography, stupid: But could those GOP electoral gains come from just one part of the country? The poll contains this interesting finding: The GOP has a HUGE generic-ballot edge in the South (52%-31%), but it doesn’t lead anywhere else. In the Northeast, Dems have a 55%-30% edge; in the Midwest, they lead 49%-38%; and in the West, it’s 44%-43%. Yet do keep this caveat in mind: Many of the congressional districts Republicans are targeting outside of the South resemble some of those Southern districts they’re hoping to win back in November -- where you have whiter and older voters. Think Stephanie Herseth's seat in South Dakota; Tim Walz' seat in Minnesota; Leonard Boswell's seat in Iowa; and Ike Skelton's in Missouri.

*** One problem for Obama solved, but others remain: President Obama’s job approval stands at 47%, which is up two points from June. Yet get this: 50% now say they approve of his handling of the Gulf spill’s aftermath (up from 42% in June -- nothing like plugging a hole finally), but because of the Wikileaks story and the continued violence in Afghanistan, his numbers on the handling of the war have plummeted (from 53% approval in June to 44% now). More troubling for the White House, 52% say they disapprove of Obama’s handling of the economy -- the highest percentage for Obama since he took office. Overall, 40% think the country is worse off since he became president; 31% think it’s better off; and 28% think it’s in the same place. However, seven in 10 believe Obama’s performance has met or exceeded their expectations, which suggests that the country hasn’t given up on his presidency. “People haven’t turned in a personal way against him,” Hart says. “His numbers, as they’ve gone up on the Gulf [spill], sort of says that he will not be like Bush where Hurricane Katrina took him under.”

*** Two other things to keep an eye on: In our poll, Obama’s job-approval rating (47%) is higher than his personal rating (46%). Now it's just one point, but is it possible that as the president becomes more political on the campaign trail, his personal ratings take a hit? But with the GOP’s favorable score dropping (from 30% in June to 24% now), are those attacks working? Also, for the first in the survey, the Tea Party has a net-negative fav/unfav rating (30%-34%). Are the Democratic attacks working here, too?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 12, 2010, 09:00:22 AM
Wait, why is Wisconsin green? The poll has 48% approving, 50% disapproving. You can't discount it just because you don't like the numbers.

OK, there is a really -good reason to distrust the numbers: they add up to 110%!

Take another look:

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Wisconsin State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 10, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

39% Strongly approve
19% Somewhat approve
  9% Somewhat disapprove
41% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure

You are right -- I am not going to accept that poll at face value. Just wait for the next one -- a correction, surely.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on August 12, 2010, 09:03:06 AM
Wait, why is Wisconsin green? The poll has 48% approving, 50% disapproving. You can't discount it just because you don't like the numbers.

OK, there is a really -good reason to distrust the numbers: they add up to 110%!

Take another look:

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Wisconsin State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 10, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

39% Strongly approve
19% Somewhat approve
  9% Somewhat disapprove
41% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure

You are right -- I am not going to accept that poll at face value. Just wait for the next one -- a correction, surely.
Maybe if you'd copy down polls right this wouldn't be an issue.


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/wisconsin/toplines/toplines_wisconsin_senate_august_10_2010

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Wisconsin State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 10, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

30% Strongly approve
19% Somewhat approve
  9% Somewhat disapprove
41% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 12, 2010, 09:30:26 AM
Wait, why is Wisconsin green? The poll has 48% approving, 50% disapproving. You can't discount it just because you don't like the numbers.

OK, there is a really -good reason to distrust the numbers: they add up to 110%!

Take another look:

Quote
Wisconsin State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 10, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

39% Strongly approve
19% Somewhat approve
  9% Somewhat disapprove
41% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure

You are right -- I am not going to accept that poll at face value. Just wait for the next one -- a correction, surely.
Maybe if you'd copy down polls right this wouldn't be an issue.


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/wisconsin/toplines/toplines_wisconsin_senate_august_10_2010

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Wisconsin State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 10, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

30% Strongly approve
19% Somewhat approve
  9% Somewhat disapprove
41% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure

Rasmussen corrected a misprint. Such happens.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on August 12, 2010, 09:34:30 AM
Wait, why is Wisconsin green? The poll has 48% approving, 50% disapproving. You can't discount it just because you don't like the numbers.

OK, there is a really -good reason to distrust the numbers: they add up to 110%!

Take another look:

Quote
Wisconsin State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 10, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

39% Strongly approve
19% Somewhat approve
  9% Somewhat disapprove
41% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure

You are right -- I am not going to accept that poll at face value. Just wait for the next one -- a correction, surely.
Maybe if you'd copy down polls right this wouldn't be an issue.


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/wisconsin/toplines/toplines_wisconsin_senate_august_10_2010

Quote
Wisconsin State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 10, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

30% Strongly approve
19% Somewhat approve
  9% Somewhat disapprove
41% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure

Rasmussen corrected a misprint. Such happens.
Of course, silly Rasmussen. :P
...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 12, 2010, 11:50:28 AM
MO & MI

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 12, 2010, 12:43:07 PM
FL (Rasmussen): 44-54

IL (Rasmussen): 54-46

MO (Rasmussen): 43-56

WI (Rasmussen): 49-50

CO (Rasmussen): 47-52


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 12, 2010, 02:19:11 PM
MO & MI

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)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

It looks like a county slipping slowly away from Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 12, 2010, 05:33:26 PM
Colorado Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 11, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

    29% Strongly approve
    18% Somewhat approve
       6% Somewhat disapprove
    46% Strongly disapprove
       1% Not sure

WI corrected.


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

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)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  138
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  67
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 102
white                        too close to call  15
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  33
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  41
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  149



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......








Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 13, 2010, 09:00:13 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +2.

Disapprove 52%, -2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -3.

In range.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 13, 2010, 09:32:43 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +2.

Disapprove 52%, -2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -3.

In range.

If this is where President Obama starts in February 2012 then he has about a 90% chance of winning re-election. 44% approval is about the break-even point.

Can he fail? Sure. He could make huge gaffes that discredit him, and there could be a surprisingly-strong candidate. The political culture could conceivably shift severely and quickly to the detriment of the President. There could be some international disaster, and the economy could fall apart quickly.

13 of 18 Presidents seeking re-election since 1900 have been re-elected, which is 72% in a time of changing technologies in communication and transportation, demographic change, official enfranchisement women and genuine enfranchisement of blacks, of population growth, booms and busts, war and peace, the 22nd Amendment (no third term), but essentially the same method of electing the President. Direct election by popular vote would have changed only one election, and that one did not involve an incumbent. (I could make the case that Bill Clinton would have defeated George W. Bush had it not been for the 22nd Amendment, but that is beyond the scope of this argument).

The incumbent has the perquisites of the Presidency, including the ability to establish oneself as a firm and decisive leader, the ability to use a podium with the Presidential seal attached as a source of authority, and greater ability to shape events than any challenger can ever do. His campaign can use campaign advertising to complement the media attention  that he gets. Sure, if he is a failure like Jimmy Carter that advertising must be defensive and ultimately futile.

Day-to-day shifts may reflect the news cycle and day-to-day shifts of the stock market that people pay attention to.  We have seen those and we should draw no conclusions from them.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 13, 2010, 11:27:16 AM
Rasmussen:
MN 47/52
CT 55/46


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 13, 2010, 11:29:16 AM
FL, MN, & CT


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)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on August 13, 2010, 01:37:18 PM
So I would figure that the actual approval rating of Obama is right around 46-47%.  I don't really think that's too bad considering the overall negativity of the coverage he's received and that he needs more than 19-20 months to clean up Bush's mess.

I expect him to be back in the green by year's end.  I wish someone other than Rasmussen would do regular state polls so we had a more accurate average.  What happened to SurveryUSA doing approval polls all the time? 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 13, 2010, 04:47:58 PM
Georgia Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted August 11, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

32% Strongly approve
14% Somewhat approve
  5% Somewhat disapprove
48% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure

 Minnesota State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 12, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

28% Strongly approve
19% Somewhat approve
11% Somewhat disapprove
41% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure

Rasmussen could be undercounting military personnel in Georgia, as they might be hard to poll. Then again, Ras might have been doing so in all previous polls, too.



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)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  138
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  57
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 128
white                        too close to call  15
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  33
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  25
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  149



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......









Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 13, 2010, 04:52:22 PM
So I would figure that the actual approval rating of Obama is right around 46-47%.  I don't really think that's too bad considering the overall negativity of the coverage he's received and that he needs more than 19-20 months to clean up Bush's mess.

I expect him to be back in the green by year's end.  I wish someone other than Rasmussen would do regular state polls so we had a more accurate average.  What happened to SurveyUSA doing approval polls all the time? 

46-47% is about where you want him to be before an electoral campaign is underway. Anything higher than 50% might elicit arrogance that could be trouble  after his nearly-assured victory. 46% or 47%? He would have to convince people that he needs their vote.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on August 13, 2010, 06:25:05 PM
Brower, if you think Georgia will go Democratic in 2012 you're delusional.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on August 13, 2010, 06:55:40 PM
Brower, if you think Georgia will go Democratic in 2012 you're delusional.

Obama came pretty close to winning Georgia in 2008, y'know.

I'm just sayin'


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 13, 2010, 07:02:56 PM
Brower, if you think Georgia will go Democratic in 2012 you're delusional.

If he successfully extricates the Armed Forces from Afghanistan and Iraq by 2012 he wins Georgia. Much else, too.

I did suggest that 47% approval in Georgia is hard to believe.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on August 13, 2010, 08:16:59 PM
Brower, if you think Georgia will go Democratic in 2012 you're delusional.

If he successfully extricates the Armed Forces from Afghanistan and Iraq by 2012 he wins Georgia. Much else, too.

I did suggest that 47% approval in Georgia is hard to believe.
Maybe, but then again maybe Petraeus is exonerated while Obama is pretty much discredited.  Obamaphobia is high amongst the suburbs and an epedimic in the sticks which is more than enough to counteract the votes of intellectuals, blacks, urban dwellers, and other assorted democratic voters.

I'm inclined to think this poll is a blip.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 13, 2010, 08:22:52 PM
Like those weird SUSA polls showing Obama unsualy low on the west coast, this is unusualy high for Georgia, so I'll wait to see the next poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 13, 2010, 10:44:19 PM
Brower, if you think Georgia will go Democratic in 2012 you're delusional.

If he successfully extricates the Armed Forces from Afghanistan and Iraq by 2012 he wins Georgia. Much else, too.

I did suggest that 47% approval in Georgia is hard to believe.
Maybe, but then again maybe Petraeus is exonerated while Obama is pretty much discredited.  Obamaphobia is high amongst the suburbs and an epedimic in the sticks which is more than enough to counteract the votes of intellectuals, blacks, urban dwellers, and other assorted democratic voters.

I'm inclined to think this poll is a blip.

1. The historical pattern is that successful generals win wars and win landslide victories for incumbent Presidents.  Think Lincoln 1864, McKinley 1900, FDR 1944... McKinley was a below-average President, and FDR was a dying man. A general who solves an international mess that the previous President created solves a big problem for Obama.

2. Blip? Some polls last month showed Obama with approvals in the 42% and 43% range in Kentucky and Tennessee last month. Genuine? Who knows?

3. You did notice, surely, that on the same post that showed Obama having 47% approval in Georgia showed the same number in Minnesota.  That looks like an implausible situation.

4. The GOP has not won the Presidency without winning Georgia since 1980, and that year Georgia had the favorite-son candidate. Nixon won without Georgia in 1968 (Georgia going to the racist George Wallace) and Eisenhower lost Georgia twice in a political environment very different from what exists now.

5. The states most likely to swing in raw vote toward Obama are the Southern states in which he got creamed. First, Southerners tend to have more deference toward military service and heroism -- and the Republican nominee of 2012 will have no record of military heroism. Southern white voters generally have more misgivings about any non-white political figure, but should President Obama allay many of those fears those states become much closer in 2012 even if he doesn't win them. Georgia is more like those states than any state that Obama came close to winning -- even North Carolina. The difference between Georgia and either Alabama or Mississippi is Metro Atlanta.   

6. Barack Obama won without winning a constituency that Carter appealed to successfully in 1976 (but lost them in 1980) and Clinton won in 1992 and 1996: poor Southern whites.  Mondale, Gore, Kerry, and Obama lost them. Obama did not try. He could never run as a Southern populist in 2008 and will be unable to do so in 2012. But he can give the results if all goes right, and that might swing a state or two. Georgia is the most likely such state, and  I can think of only one state that President Obama would more like to swing in 2012. That state lies to the immediate west of Louisiana.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 14, 2010, 08:45:00 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, -1.

Disapprove 53%, +1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.

In range.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 14, 2010, 08:50:39 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +2.

Disapprove 52%, -2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -3.

In range.

If this is where President Obama starts in February 2012 then he has about a 90% chance of winning re-election. 44% approval is about the break-even point.



This is August 2010, not February 2012.  There has been a general and substantial decline in his number, long term.  The only good news for Obama, is that, sort term, there has been no decline, though no improvement.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 14, 2010, 10:53:37 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +2.

Disapprove 52%, -2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -3.

In range.

If this is where President Obama starts in February 2012 then he has about a 90% chance of winning re-election. 44% approval is about the break-even point.



This is August 2010, not February 2012.  There has been a general and substantial decline in his number, long term.  The only good news for Obama, is that, short term, there has been no decline, though no improvement.

I assume no further long-term decline. There will be statistical noise, perhaps reflecting the news of the day (including economic indicators as announced). The potential for a big economic downturn is much smaller than it was in the winter of 2008-2009. There is no speculative boom for the simple reason that none is possible. The US is pulling out of combat operations in Iraq (a good thing, because they were ineffective) and has a scheduled exit from Afghanistan. It might not be Eisenhower getting an armistice in Korea, but it isn't the worst scenario possible. Sure, I'd love to see Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri on the way to a federal criminal trial for the capital offense of genocide for 9/11 -- but who knows whether either is alive.

As I have said elsewhere, President Obama will run on his achievements in 2012 and win -- or try to run from his failures (yet to be shown) and lose.  Such will manifest themselves in approval polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 14, 2010, 12:01:15 PM
Ok, I thought those GA number looked a little weird. Heres a more realistic (though a bit higher than  though for GA) poll from Ras today.

GA: 44/53
link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/georgia/election_2010_georgia_senate)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 14, 2010, 12:04:48 PM
Ok, I thought those GA number looked a little weird. Heres a more realistic (though a bit higher than  though for GA) poll from Ras today.

GA: 44/53
link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/georgia/election_2010_georgia_senate)


It´s 46-53.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 14, 2010, 12:08:50 PM
Ok, I thought those GA number looked a little weird. Heres a more realistic (though a bit higher than  though for GA) poll from Ras today.

GA: 44/53
link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/georgia/election_2010_georgia_senate)


It´s 46-53.
Quote
Forty-four percent (44%) of voters in Georgia approve of the job the president is doing, up slightly from May. Fifty-three percent (53%) disapprove of his job performance. This is roughly in line with voter sentiments nationally in the


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 14, 2010, 12:10:46 PM
Ok, I thought those GA number looked a little weird. Heres a more realistic (though a bit higher than  though for GA) poll from Ras today.

GA: 44/53
link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/georgia/election_2010_georgia_senate)


It´s 46-53.
Quote
Forty-four percent (44%) of voters in Georgia approve of the job the president is doing, up slightly from May. Fifty-three percent (53%) disapprove of his job performance. This is roughly in line with voter sentiments nationally in the

Click on the topline (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/georgia/toplines/toplines_georgia_senate_august_11_2010) page.

The Senate and the Governor poll were conducted on the same day, it´s 46-53.

Rasmussen did write it wrong in their release.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 14, 2010, 12:24:15 PM
Ok, I thought those GA number looked a little weird. Heres a more realistic (though a bit higher than  though for GA) poll from Ras today.

GA: 44/53
link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/georgia/election_2010_georgia_senate)


It´s 46-53.
Quote
Forty-four percent (44%) of voters in Georgia approve of the job the president is doing, up slightly from May. Fifty-three percent (53%) disapprove of his job performance. This is roughly in line with voter sentiments nationally in the

Click on the topline (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/georgia/toplines/toplines_georgia_senate_august_11_2010) page.

The Senate and the Governor poll were conducted on the same day, it´s 46-53.

Rasmussen did write it wrong in their release.
ok, how do you get to that page? I always get the approval number by digging them out of their articals on whatever race they happen to be polling.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 14, 2010, 12:25:37 PM
GA

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 14, 2010, 12:35:53 PM
Ok, I thought those GA number looked a little weird. Heres a more realistic (though a bit higher than  though for GA) poll from Ras today.

GA: 44/53
link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/georgia/election_2010_georgia_senate)


It´s 46-53.
Quote
Forty-four percent (44%) of voters in Georgia approve of the job the president is doing, up slightly from May. Fifty-three percent (53%) disapprove of his job performance. This is roughly in line with voter sentiments nationally in the

Click on the topline (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/georgia/toplines/toplines_georgia_senate_august_11_2010) page.

The Senate and the Governor poll were conducted on the same day, it´s 46-53.

Rasmussen did write it wrong in their release.
ok, how do you get to that page? I always get the approval number by digging them out of their articals on whatever race they happen to be polling.

Close to the bottom it says: "See survey questions and toplines. Crosstabs are available to Platinum Members only."

followed by a green symbol with "share this".


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 14, 2010, 01:11:44 PM
Ok, I thought those GA number looked a little weird. Heres a more realistic (though a bit higher than  though for GA) poll from Ras today.

GA: 44/53
link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/georgia/election_2010_georgia_senate)


It´s 46-53.
Quote
Forty-four percent (44%) of voters in Georgia approve of the job the president is doing, up slightly from May. Fifty-three percent (53%) disapprove of his job performance. This is roughly in line with voter sentiments nationally in the

Click on the topline (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/georgia/toplines/toplines_georgia_senate_august_11_2010) page.

The Senate and the Governor poll were conducted on the same day, it´s 46-53.

Rasmussen did write it wrong in their release.
ok, how do you get to that page? I always get the approval number by digging them out of their articals on whatever race they happen to be polling.

Close to the bottom it says: "See survey questions and toplines. Crosstabs are available to Platinum Members only."

followed by a green symbol with "share this".
Thanks!, thats much better now ;D


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on August 14, 2010, 02:28:54 PM
Gallup:

43% Approve
48% Disapprove

A new low.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on August 14, 2010, 02:31:58 PM

If this holds, Democrats are screwed.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 14, 2010, 02:50:28 PM


I assume no further long-term decline. There will be statistical noise, perhaps reflecting the news of the day (including economic indicators as announced). The potential for a big economic downturn is much smaller than it was in the winter of 2008-2009. There is no speculative boom for the simple reason that none is possible. The US is pulling out of combat operations in Iraq (a good thing, because they were ineffective) and has a scheduled exit from Afghanistan. It might not be Eisenhower getting an armistice in Korea, but it isn't the worst scenario possible. Sure, I'd love to see Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri on the way to a federal criminal trial for the capital offense of genocide for 9/11 -- but who knows whether either is alive.

As I have said elsewhere, President Obama will run on his achievements in 2012 and win -- or try to run from his failures (yet to be shown) and lose.  Such will manifest themselves in approval polls.

I'm seeing a rough stabilization only from June and no bounce off the lows.  The best thing that can be said is that the numbers are not declining.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on August 14, 2010, 03:21:51 PM
Obama is in decline. The majority of polls show that he's in negative territory. Ironically, Rasmussen is one of the most positive for him...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 14, 2010, 04:15:07 PM
Obama is in decline. The majority of polls show that he's in negative territory. Ironically, Rasmussen is one of the most positive for him...

It's the news cycle. If there should be a rash of forest fires, then the President's approval rating goes down even if the culprit is an insane arsonist.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on August 14, 2010, 04:32:54 PM
Obama is in decline. The majority of polls show that he's in negative territory. Ironically, Rasmussen is one of the most positive for him...

It's the news cycle. I there should be a rash of forest fires, then the President's approval rating goes down even if the culprit is an insane arsonist.

lol, you are funny...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on August 14, 2010, 08:30:48 PM
Obama is in decline. The majority of polls show that he's in negative territory. Ironically, Rasmussen is one of the most positive for him...

It's the news cycle. If there should be a rash of forest fires, then the President's approval rating goes down even if the culprit is an insane arsonist.

You have realized that the President is the media golden boy now, and no longer the media scapegoat, right?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on August 14, 2010, 11:50:08 PM
Gallup: 43/48


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 14, 2010, 11:51:40 PM
FL (Ipsos):

44-51

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/elections/floridas-senatorial-candidates-have-voters-undecided-annoyed/1115420


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: izixs on August 15, 2010, 02:41:40 AM
Obama is in decline. The majority of polls show that he's in negative territory. Ironically, Rasmussen is one of the most positive for him...

It's the news cycle. If there should be a rash of forest fires, then the President's approval rating goes down even if the culprit is an insane arsonist.

You have realized that the President is the media golden boy now, and no longer the media scapegoat, right?

My dear talking hair, not all people are rational beings. One can realize this just by looking around this forum. People that answers polls sometimes are among the nonsensical. They could of lost their car keys and now are having a bad day and thus don't like the president as much as they did yesterday when they found a kitten. It doesn't matter if the media loves or hates the president. If there's lots of bad news going on people get upset and thus more negative. The moon could suddenly explode for no good reason, sending shrapnel at us that will likely kill us all and there'd be people who blame the president.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on August 15, 2010, 03:54:45 AM
Ok, I thought those GA number looked a little weird. Heres a more realistic (though a bit higher than  though for GA) poll from Ras today.

GA: 44/53
link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/georgia/election_2010_georgia_senate)


GA is one of those states that will probably trend towards Obama, regardless of the final outcome, in 2012. So it's not surprising to get a few polls that show higher support than one would think considering his national numbers. The same can be said of NC, SC, FL, VA etc.... Basically more urbanized southern states seem to be sticking with Obama to a certain extent. On the other hand look at his approvals in most of the upper midwest and rocky mountains. Lower than one would think considering his approval is still in the mid 40s.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 15, 2010, 08:38:20 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, -1.

Disapprove 53%, u.


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.

In range.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 15, 2010, 08:51:22 AM
Obama is in decline. The majority of polls show that he's in negative territory. Ironically, Rasmussen is one of the most positive for him...

It's the news cycle. If there should be a rash of forest fires, then the President's approval rating goes down even if the culprit is an insane arsonist.

You have realized that the President is the media golden boy now, and no longer the media scapegoat, right?

You forget FoX Newspeak Channel, the WSJ editorial pages (the newspaper is still OK), and Clear Channel -- not to mention Breitbart, Newsmax, etc. If you are talking about the most populist of media, the tabloid Globe has been putting out stories disparaging President Barack Obama as gay or "foreign".

... all I have is the news and patterns of history. If one compares President Obama to all Presidents after 1900 one finds that he does more of what one associates with the more effective Presidents and less of what one sees with less-effective Presidents. He's more like Teddy Roosevelt than like Jimmy Carter. As for polls, they must be understood as noise aside from any discernible long-term trend.

If he is a "golden boy" to liberal media it is because after his predecessor he is almost a diametric opposite. Face it, Republicans -- George W. Bush was one of the worst Presidents in our history, and only because of a perverse miracle was Dubya something other than a one-term President. Face it, Republicans -- the GWB agenda is stale, empty, and even counterproductive.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 15, 2010, 08:58:59 AM
North Dakota State Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted on August 10, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

      

       23% Strongly approve
       19% Somewhat approve
       10% Somewhat disapprove
       48% Strongly disapprove
         1% Not sure


FL -- Ipsos poll recognized

Connecticut State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted August 11, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

32% Strongly approve
23% Somewhat approve
  9% Somewhat disapprove
37% Strongly disapprove
  0% Not sure


(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  138
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  57
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 100
white                        too close to call  43
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  33
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  25
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  149



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: muon2 on August 15, 2010, 09:50:34 AM
GA

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

I noticed that you aren't using the Aug 12 Rasmussen for CO at 47% approval, but still have his Aug 3 result at 44%. Is that intentional or an oversight?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 15, 2010, 12:00:52 PM
GA

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

I noticed that you aren't using the Aug 12 Rasmussen for CO at 47% approval, but still have his Aug 3 result at 44%. Is that intentional or an oversight?
I miss polls sometimes, It'll be fixed.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 15, 2010, 12:05:38 PM
CO fixed

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 15, 2010, 12:08:18 PM
Gallup: 42/49

Ouch.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on August 15, 2010, 01:00:05 PM

Mosque effect ?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 16, 2010, 08:54:47 AM
Rasmussen (16-08-2010):

43% (-2)  Approve
56% (+3) Disapprove

26% (nc)  Strongly Approve
45% (+2) Strongly Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 16, 2010, 09:25:01 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 43%, -2.

Disapprove 56%, +3.


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, +2.

The disapproval numbers are at the upper edge of range, but still within range.

Note that range includes situations where approve is lower than strongly disapprove.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 16, 2010, 10:49:10 AM

Probably. A typical news item affecting the approval rating. Strictly speaking, President Obama is right on this one; the First Amendment offers no usable exemptions to free speech and free expression of religion. It protects unpopular speech and religion, and in view of the hazards for finding exceptions, our professor of Constitutional Law has done the right thing.



This one will blow off.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 16, 2010, 11:29:51 AM
Maine (Rasmussen): 54-46


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 16, 2010, 12:08:11 PM
Gallup is 42-50 today, so the Mosque-issue isn´t good for Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on August 16, 2010, 12:15:07 PM
Gallup is 42-50 today, so the Mosque-issue isn´t good for Obama.

Judging by the Crosstabs, it's mostly young people who dropped off on Him over the last week too--he went from 59% to 46%, despite increasing about 3% in the older than 50 Demographic.

Probably an unrepresentative drop, but still not the kind of numbers he wants to be seeing less than 3 months from an election.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 16, 2010, 12:19:35 PM
Maine State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted August 12, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

  

   30% Strongly approve
   24% Somewhat approve
     8% Somewhat disapprove
   38% Strongly disapprove
     0% Not sure

Maine is fairly homogeneous in its voting, so trying to figure which district would give him 56% of the vote is a quibble.


(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  142
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  57
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 96
white                        too close to call  43
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  33
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  25
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  149



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on August 16, 2010, 12:26:25 PM
Maine State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted August 12, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

  

   30% Strongly approve
   24% Somewhat approve
     8% Somewhat disapprove
   38% Strongly disapprove
     0% Not sure

Maine is fairly homogeneous in its voting, so trying to figure which district would give him 56% of the vote is a quibble.


(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  142
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  57
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 96
white                        too close to call  43
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  33
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  25
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  149



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 16, 2010, 04:31:48 PM

Probably. A typical news item affecting the approval rating. Strictly speaking, President Obama is right on this one; the First Amendment offers no usable exemptions to free speech and free expression of religion. It protects unpopular speech and religion, and in view of the hazards for finding exceptions, our professor of Constitutional Law has done the right thing.



This one will blow off.

Other than saying it is a local issue (which it is), and defending First Amendment Rights (which he ultimately did), he intruded on the issue.

I don't have a problem with the mosque, but this was bad politics on Obama's part.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: izixs on August 16, 2010, 05:02:06 PM
Saying nothing on the mosque issue would of very quickly lead to opportunists who are using it to demagogue announcing loudly "Where does the president stand on this?", which would increase the amount of exposure he would get on the issue. So it is better to give the answer before there becomes lots of cries about it and have people go 'oh' and give the country time to move onto things that are actually important (jobs, the economy, ect). So basically as it was quickly becoming a distraction, it was best to go out there and grab hold of a position before things got even sillier.

Still, a tough move to make. And a possibly unpopular one (I'm still not sold that a majority wanted the government to intervene, but its obvious that the mosque as planned was unpopular). But I'll give him props for standing up for what he believes is right.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 16, 2010, 09:10:53 PM
Saying nothing on the mosque issue would of very quickly lead to opportunists who are using it to demagogue announcing loudly "Where does the president stand on this?", which would increase the amount of exposure he would get on the issue. So it is better to give the answer before there becomes lots of cries about it and have people go 'oh' and give the country time to move onto things that are actually important (jobs, the economy, ect). So basically as it was quickly becoming a distraction, it was best to go out there and grab hold of a position before things got even sillier.

Still, a tough move to make. And a possibly unpopular one (I'm still not sold that a majority wanted the government to intervene, but its obvious that the mosque as planned was unpopular). But I'll give him props for standing up for what he believes is right.

So goes the myth that President Obama sticks a most finger in the air before making a decision. He lets the polls sink for a few days inconsequential to winning any election so that he can be right. Even if the reasoning is inconvenient it is right. The First Amendment has no exceptions for the unpopular, unpatriotic, unorthodox, and impolitic. This is the "Professor of Constitutional Law" that Sarah Palin so derides.

President Obama is right on this one.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on August 16, 2010, 10:35:14 PM
The 1st gives you the right to practice your religion not WHERE to practice your religion. Do you oppose zoning laws? Would you oppose putting a porn shop in a neighborhood next to an elementary school?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 16, 2010, 10:37:19 PM
Saying nothing on the mosque issue would of very quickly lead to opportunists who are using it to demagogue announcing loudly "Where does the president stand on this?", which would increase the amount of exposure he would get on the issue. So it is better to give the answer before there becomes lots of cries about it and have people go 'oh' and give the country time to move onto things that are actually important (jobs, the economy, ect). So basically as it was quickly becoming a distraction, it was best to go out there and grab hold of a position before things got even sillier.

Still, a tough move to make. And a possibly unpopular one (I'm still not sold that a majority wanted the government to intervene, but its obvious that the mosque as planned was unpopular). But I'll give him props for standing up for what he believes is right.

So goes the myth that President Obama sticks a most finger in the air before making a decision. He lets the polls sink for a few days inconsequential to winning any election so that he can be right. Even if the reasoning is inconvenient it is right. The First Amendment has no exceptions for the unpopular, unpatriotic, unorthodox, and impolitic. This is the "Professor of Constitutional Law" that Sarah Palin so derides.

President Obama is right on this one.

But it is not the constitutional role of the President to determine zoning in NYC either.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 17, 2010, 08:02:59 AM
Saying nothing on the mosque issue would of very quickly lead to opportunists who are using it to demagogue announcing loudly "Where does the president stand on this?", which would increase the amount of exposure he would get on the issue. So it is better to give the answer before there becomes lots of cries about it and have people go 'oh' and give the country time to move onto things that are actually important (jobs, the economy, ect). So basically as it was quickly becoming a distraction, it was best to go out there and grab hold of a position before things got even sillier.

Still, a tough move to make. And a possibly unpopular one (I'm still not sold that a majority wanted the government to intervene, but its obvious that the mosque as planned was unpopular). But I'll give him props for standing up for what he believes is right.

So goes the myth that President Obama sticks a most finger in the air before making a decision. He lets the polls sink for a few days inconsequential to winning any election so that he can be right. Even if the reasoning is inconvenient it is right. The First Amendment has no exceptions for the unpopular, unpatriotic, unorthodox, and impolitic. This is the "Professor of Constitutional Law" that Sarah Palin so derides.

President Obama is right on this one.

But it is not the constitutional role of the President to determine zoning in NYC either.

Zoning laws cannot be used as means of denying the practice of an "inconvenient" religion. They can be used for chasing out such nuisance businesses as venues of "adult" entertainment. Zoning laws cannot be used to favor one religious entity over another -- let us say a church over a synagogue.    

Just as the First Amendment defends "unpopular", "unpatriotic", "unorthodox", "tasteless", and "unsettling" speech it also protects "unpopular", "unpatriotic", "unorthodox", "tasteless", and "unsettling" religion.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 17, 2010, 09:04:46 AM
Saying nothing on the mosque issue would of very quickly lead to opportunists who are using it to demagogue announcing loudly "Where does the president stand on this?", which would increase the amount of exposure he would get on the issue. So it is better to give the answer before there becomes lots of cries about it and have people go 'oh' and give the country time to move onto things that are actually important (jobs, the economy, ect). So basically as it was quickly becoming a distraction, it was best to go out there and grab hold of a position before things got even sillier.

Still, a tough move to make. And a possibly unpopular one (I'm still not sold that a majority wanted the government to intervene, but its obvious that the mosque as planned was unpopular). But I'll give him props for standing up for what he believes is right.

So goes the myth that President Obama sticks a most finger in the air before making a decision. He lets the polls sink for a few days inconsequential to winning any election so that he can be right. Even if the reasoning is inconvenient it is right. The First Amendment has no exceptions for the unpopular, unpatriotic, unorthodox, and impolitic. This is the "Professor of Constitutional Law" that Sarah Palin so derides.

President Obama is right on this one.

But it is not the constitutional role of the President to determine zoning in NYC either.

Zoning laws cannot be used as means of denying the practice of an "inconvenient" religion.  They can be used for chasing out such nuisance businesses as venues of "adult" entertainment. Zoning laws cannot be used to favor one religious entity over another -- let us say a church over a synagogue.     

Nobody is suggesting they would or should, including Obama who mentioned that in his comment on this.  I am saying that what buildings NYC chooses to permit, and in this case did permit, is not an issue for the President.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 17, 2010, 09:07:12 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 44%, +1.

Disapprove 55%, -1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, u.

Still in range.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on August 17, 2010, 10:34:19 AM
PA- PPP(D)

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_PA_817.pdf

Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 40%
Disapprove...................................................... 55%
Not sure .......................................................... 5%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 17, 2010, 11:28:51 AM
Pennsylvania Survey of 750 Likely Voters

Conducted August 16, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

     

       26% Strongly approve
       17% Somewhat approve
       11% Somewhat disapprove
       45% Strongly disapprove

         1% Not sure


(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  142
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  57
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 76
white                        too close to call  43
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  53
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  25
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  149



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 17, 2010, 11:54:56 AM
PA

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on August 17, 2010, 12:16:21 PM
Gallup:

Approve - 42% (NC)
Disapprove - 51% (+1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on August 17, 2010, 12:17:30 PM
Wow, these numbers aren't looking too good for Mr. Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on August 17, 2010, 12:21:25 PM
IL- PPP (D)

Do you approve or disapprove of Barack
Obama’s job performance?
Approve................. 49%
Disapprove............ 46%
Not sure ................ 5%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on August 17, 2010, 12:23:28 PM
IL- PPP (D)

Do you approve or disapprove of Barack
Obama’s job performance?
Approve................. 49%
Disapprove............ 46%
Not sure ................ 5%

At first, I thought that was a national poll.

Below 50% in his home state...not good.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 17, 2010, 12:25:44 PM
The truth of the comic in my signature has become more and more obvious. Obama may have a JD from Harvard, but his Presidency has shown that he's a moron.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 17, 2010, 12:45:03 PM
The truth of the comic in my signature has become more and more obvious. Obama may have a JD from Harvard, but his Presidency has shown that he's a moron.

Yeh, all those liberals in Pennsylvania's T and southern Virginia now hate him. ::)

The problem is, simply, he had not delivered.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 17, 2010, 01:21:20 PM
I think that Americans are getting disgusted with politics of all kinds -- conservative, liberal, and Hard Right. Maybe politics can't deliver prosperity, but as the previous Administration proves, they can surely bring ruin.

If this isn't simply the news cycle, then we are in for some real ugliness in political life -- ugliness unprecedented in severity since the Civil War and in style in this country.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 17, 2010, 01:26:15 PM
I think that Americans are getting disgusted with politics of all kinds -- conservative, liberal, and Hard Right. Maybe politics can't deliver prosperity, but as the previous Administration proves, they can surely bring ruin.

If this isn't simply the news cycle, then we are in for some real ugliness in political life -- ugliness unprecedented in severity since the Civil War and in style in this country.

One of the major problem is that the majority is shifting and Obama is left (out to the left).

It is possibly a sign of a realignment (to the right).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 17, 2010, 01:36:44 PM
I think that Americans are getting disgusted with politics of all kinds -- conservative, liberal, and Hard Right. Maybe politics can't deliver prosperity, but as the previous Administration proves, they can surely bring ruin.

If this isn't simply the news cycle, then we are in for some real ugliness in political life -- ugliness unprecedented in severity since the Civil War and in style in this country.

One of the major problem is that the majority is shifting and Obama is left (out to the left).

It is possibly a sign of a realignment (to the right).




If such is so, then all the learning, natural resources, and technology that Americans have are pearls before swine. Welcome to Weimar America.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: All Along The Watchtower on August 17, 2010, 01:44:57 PM
I think that Americans are getting disgusted with politics of all kinds -- conservative, liberal, and Hard Right. Maybe politics can't deliver prosperity, but as the previous Administration proves, they can surely bring ruin.

If this isn't simply the news cycle, then we are in for some real ugliness in political life -- ugliness unprecedented in severity since the Civil War and in style in this country.

One of the major problem is that the majority is shifting and Obama is left (out to the left).

It is possibly a sign of a realignment (to the right).

Obama is less left-wing on economic issues than Nixon.

30 years of the Age of Reagan has really distorted the political landscape. What was once far-right is now moderate, what was once center-right is now center-left, etc.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 17, 2010, 01:46:29 PM
I think that Americans are getting disgusted with politics of all kinds -- conservative, liberal, and Hard Right. Maybe politics can't deliver prosperity, but as the previous Administration proves, they can surely bring ruin.

If this isn't simply the news cycle, then we are in for some real ugliness in political life -- ugliness unprecedented in severity since the Civil War and in style in this country.

One of the major problem is that the majority is shifting and Obama is left (out to the left).

It is possibly a sign of a realignment (to the right).




If such is so, then all the learning, natural resources, and technology that Americans have are pearls before swine. Welcome to Weimar America.



No, welcome to populist/libertarian America.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 17, 2010, 01:49:51 PM
Obama is less left-wing on economic issues than Nixon.

30 years of the Age of Reagan has really distorted the political landscape. What was once far-right is now moderate, what was once center-right is now center-left, etc.

No nominee for president since 1984 was to the left of the GOP nominee in 1976.  The reason?  We had a re-alignment centering on 1980 (1978-84).  It moved the county to the right.

This one, if it is happening, might move the county very far to the right.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: All Along The Watchtower on August 17, 2010, 01:51:20 PM
Obama is less left-wing on economic issues than Nixon.

30 years of the Age of Reagan has really distorted the political landscape. What was once far-right is now moderate, what was once center-right is now center-left, etc.

No nominee for president since 1984 was to the left of the GOP nominee in 1976.  The reason?  We had a re-alignment centering on 1980 (1978-84).  It moved the county to the right.

This one, if it is happening, might move the county very far to the right.

If we move much further to the right we might as well have a fascist country.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 17, 2010, 02:14:03 PM
Obama is less left-wing on economic issues than Nixon.

30 years of the Age of Reagan has really distorted the political landscape. What was once far-right is now moderate, what was once center-right is now center-left, etc.

No nominee for president since 1984 was to the left of the GOP nominee in 1976.  The reason?  We had a re-alignment centering on 1980 (1978-84).  It moved the county to the right.

This one, if it is happening, might move the county very far to the right.

If we move much further to the right we might as well have a fascist country.

There is fascist and the is fascist.  If it goes where I'm thinking it will, I will probably be center-left in the re-alignment.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on August 17, 2010, 02:25:15 PM
I think that Americans are getting disgusted with politics of all kinds -- conservative, liberal, and Hard Right. Maybe politics can't deliver prosperity, but as the previous Administration proves, they can surely bring ruin.

If this isn't simply the news cycle, then we are in for some real ugliness in political life -- ugliness unprecedented in severity since the Civil War and in style in this country.

One of the major problem is that the majority is shifting and Obama is left (out to the left).

It is possibly a sign of a realignment (to the right).




If such is so, then all the learning, natural resources, and technology that Americans have are pearls before swine. Welcome to Weimar America.



No, welcome to populist/libertarian America.

Isn't a populist the exact opposite of a libertarian?

As for your realignment theory, yes there is a realignment. Away from the two major parties that is.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: All Along The Watchtower on August 17, 2010, 02:29:55 PM

Isn't a populist the exact opposite of a libertarian?

No, an authoritarian collectivist is the exact opposite of a libertarian. A populist is the opposite of an elitist.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on August 17, 2010, 02:34:29 PM
Populists are not really libertarians... at all.  Populists prefer majority rule. Libertarians tend to keep the minorities in mind.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on August 17, 2010, 05:12:31 PM

At first, I thought that was a national poll.

Below 50% in his home state...not good.

PPP did mention that they just readjusted their weighting factors for a revised expected turnout, among which Obama only won Illinois by like 4 points or something.

Same with Pennsylvania.  They say that they expected electorate in PA voted for McCain by a single point in 2008, which might be why Obama's down to 40% Approval there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on August 17, 2010, 05:17:58 PM
The truth of the comic in my signature has become more and more obvious. Obama may have a JD from Harvard, but his Presidency has shown that he's a moron.

I agree, partially.  I don't think running further to the left would have helped him out in the electorate or boosted turnout particularly, but i think his attitude about his policies has boosted cynicism among former voters.  If you're going to run on "Hope and Change" then you had better hope to change the political and legislative process rather than individual policies.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 17, 2010, 05:20:13 PM
IL

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 17, 2010, 05:22:47 PM
The truth of the comic in my signature has become more and more obvious. Obama may have a JD from Harvard, but his Presidency has shown that he's a moron.

I agree, partially.  I don't think running further to the left would have helped him out in the electorate or boosted turnout particularly, but i think his attitude about his policies has boosted cynicism among former voters.  If you're going to run on "Hope and Change" then you had better hope to change the political and legislative process rather than individual policies.

No, you use the existing process to achieve a chosen agenda.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 17, 2010, 05:23:03 PM

Isn't a populist the exact opposite of a libertarian?

No, not in the least.  

Quote

As for your realignment theory, yes there is a realignment. Away from the two major parties that is.

That would be de-alignment and we are getting more partisan.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on August 17, 2010, 05:24:28 PM
The 1st gives you the right to practice your religion not WHERE to practice your religion. Do you oppose zoning laws? Would you oppose putting a porn shop in a neighborhood next to an elementary school?

So in terms of impact on a community, "mosque" = "porn shop".

Thank you States, for being so open in exposing this issue as just plain anti-Muslim bigotry from the right.

"We conservatives know not all Muslims in America are al-Queda sympathizers, buuuuttttt......."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on August 17, 2010, 05:32:03 PM
Just as a note, Obama's recent drop in approval seems to be coming mostly from the 18-34 demographic.

In Illinois, that group Approves of him by only 45-43, in PA it's 47-47, and even though they didn't poll Obama directly in Colorado, that group is Hickenlooper's worst, disapproving of him 39-45 and supports him in a 3-way race by only 10 points compared to his 25 point edge overall. (All 3 PPP)

Gallup has Obama down to 46% Among them last week too.  For the group that voted for Obama by such huge margins, this is a pretty big drop.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on August 17, 2010, 05:59:34 PM
The 1st gives you the right to practice your religion not WHERE to practice your religion. Do you oppose zoning laws? Would you oppose putting a porn shop in a neighborhood next to an elementary school?

So in terms of impact on a community, "mosque" = "porn shop".

Thank you States, for being so open in exposing this issue as just plain anti-Muslim bigotry from the right.

"We conservatives know not all Muslims in America are al-Queda sympathizers, buuuuttttt......."

I don't get why people care at all, personally...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 17, 2010, 06:00:31 PM
The 1st gives you the right to practice your religion not WHERE to practice your religion. Do you oppose zoning laws? Would you oppose putting a porn shop in a neighborhood next to an elementary school?

It would be a clear violation of the First Amendment to mandate that a religion be practiced only in places that its adherents find inconvenient. A law that required Jews in Michigan to build any synagogues in Kentucky would of course be un-Constitutional.

We have laws against having bars and liquor stores within certain distances of schools.   Of course, liquor does not have First Amendment protection. But religion does.

Church, temple, synagogue, mosque -- they are all equal under the law. If you disapprove of a mosque being next to a school, then you must oppose any religious building being next to any school. That implies, of course, that a Catholic Church could not have an abutting parochial school... do you agree?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on August 17, 2010, 06:12:30 PM

Isn't a populist the exact opposite of a libertarian?

No, not in the least. 

Quote

As for your realignment theory, yes there is a realignment. Away from the two major parties that is.

That would be de-alignment and we are getting more partisan. 

You seriously think there will be a realignment towards Republicans when more people disapprove of their job in the congress than the Democrats? It doesn't mean the Democrats don't lose big in 2010, since they are the incumbents. But what it means is that Republican support will be very shallow and the electorate could abandon them for the slightest of reasons. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on August 17, 2010, 06:13:29 PM
Just as a note, Obama's recent drop in approval seems to be coming mostly from the 18-34 demographic.

In Illinois, that group Approves of him by only 45-43, in PA it's 47-47, and even though they didn't poll Obama directly in Colorado, that group is Hickenlooper's worst, disapproving of him 39-45 and supports him in a 3-way race by only 10 points compared to his 25 point edge overall. (All 3 PPP)

Gallup has Obama down to 46% Among them last week too.  For the group that voted for Obama by such huge margins, this is a pretty big drop.

Age Wave!!!

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on August 17, 2010, 06:35:42 PM
The whole spectrum in this country is starting to get sadder and sadder....if this keeps up, Franzi would be considered an extreme leftist.:P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 17, 2010, 11:21:27 PM
Ohio (Rasmussen):

45% Approve
54% Disapprove

LINK (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/ohio/toplines/toplines_ohio_senate_august_16_2010)

Missouri (PPP):

39% Approve
57% Disapprove

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/MissouriResults.pdf

Kentucky (Ipsos):

44% Approve
55% Disapprove

The Ipsos poll of 600 registered voters, including 435 who said they were likely to vote, was taken Friday through Sunday. Interviews were conducted in English and Spanish.

The full survey of registered voters has a margin of error of 4 percentage points, while the smaller sample of likely voters has a margin of error of 4.7 percentage points.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67G4G820100817


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 17, 2010, 11:48:21 PM

Isn't a populist the exact opposite of a libertarian?

No, not in the least. 

Quote

As for your realignment theory, yes there is a realignment. Away from the two major parties that is.

That would be de-alignment and we are getting more partisan. 

You seriously think there will be a realignment towards Republicans when more people disapprove of their job in the congress than the Democrats? It doesn't mean the Democrats don't lose big in 2010, since they are the incumbents. But what it means is that Republican support will be very shallow and the electorate could abandon them for the slightest of reasons. 

The electorate is changing.  Looking at 1980, the people who won were very different that the people who lost in 1976.  It is more than hating the incumbents; they are starting to hate what the incumbents stand for.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 18, 2010, 12:01:36 AM
OH, KY, & MO

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on August 18, 2010, 12:27:15 AM

Isn't a populist the exact opposite of a libertarian?

No, not in the least.  

Quote

As for your realignment theory, yes there is a realignment. Away from the two major parties that is.

That would be de-alignment and we are getting more partisan.  

You seriously think there will be a realignment towards Republicans when more people disapprove of their job in the congress than the Democrats? It doesn't mean the Democrats don't lose big in 2010, since they are the incumbents. But what it means is that Republican support will be very shallow and the electorate could abandon them for the slightest of reasons.  

The electorate is changing.  Looking at 1980, the people who won were very different that the people who lost in 1976.  It is more than hating the incumbents; they are starting to hate what the incumbents stand for.

If we're going to go by that, then this leads to anarchy...maybe even fascism....

This means all hell breaks lose.  And by extension, the implosion of the two party system.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl on August 18, 2010, 12:30:09 AM

Isn't a populist the exact opposite of a libertarian?

No, not in the least. 

Quote

As for your realignment theory, yes there is a realignment. Away from the two major parties that is.

That would be de-alignment and we are getting more partisan. 

You seriously think there will be a realignment towards Republicans when more people disapprove of their job in the congress than the Democrats? It doesn't mean the Democrats don't lose big in 2010, since they are the incumbents. But what it means is that Republican support will be very shallow and the electorate could abandon them for the slightest of reasons. 

The electorate is changing.  Looking at 1980, the people who won were very different that the people who lost in 1976.  It is more than hating the incumbents; they are starting to hate what the incumbents stand for.

If we're going to go by that, then this leads to anarchy...maybe even fascism....

Those are two very different possible outcomes...unfortunately we're already trending rapidly toward the latter.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on August 18, 2010, 12:51:06 AM

Isn't a populist the exact opposite of a libertarian?

No, not in the least. 

Quote

As for your realignment theory, yes there is a realignment. Away from the two major parties that is.

That would be de-alignment and we are getting more partisan. 

You seriously think there will be a realignment towards Republicans when more people disapprove of their job in the congress than the Democrats? It doesn't mean the Democrats don't lose big in 2010, since they are the incumbents. But what it means is that Republican support will be very shallow and the electorate could abandon them for the slightest of reasons. 
It is more than hating the incumbents; they are starting to hate what the incumbents stand for.

Like 2008?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on August 18, 2010, 12:54:03 AM
The 1st gives you the right to practice your religion not WHERE to practice your religion. Do you oppose zoning laws? Would you oppose putting a porn shop in a neighborhood next to an elementary school?

It would be a clear violation of the First Amendment to mandate that a religion be practiced only in places that its adherents find inconvenient. A law that required Jews in Michigan to build any synagogues in Kentucky would of course be un-Constitutional.

We have laws against having bars and liquor stores within certain distances of schools.   Of course, liquor does not have First Amendment protection. But religion does.

Church, temple, synagogue, mosque -- they are all equal under the law. If you disapprove of a mosque being next to a school, then you must oppose any religious building being next to any school. That implies, of course, that a Catholic Church could not have an abutting parochial school... do you agree?

Religious institutions get turned down for new construction all the time. How dare the localities deny their first amendment rights! The first amendment clearly states you have the right to worship, it doesn't guarantee you the right to have your place of worship wherever you want it. Using the argument that the left and Obama has used regarding this current issue if a porn shop is simply using their first amendment rights to freedom of the press, why do you want to suppress them?


So in terms of impact on a community, "mosque" = "porn shop".

Thank you States, for being so open in exposing this issue as just plain anti-Muslim bigotry from the right.

"We conservatives know not all Muslims in America are al-Queda sympathizers, buuuuttttt......."

Thanks for missing the point. Read above. Do you oppose zoning laws?

And as for Islam badger, I know enough about it to know I have a strong dislike for it, as for what other conservatives think about it I don't know nor hardly care.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 18, 2010, 08:35:28 AM
Nevada State Survey of 750 Likely Voters

Conducted August 16, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

24% Strongly approve
21% Somewhat approve
  7% Somewhat disapprove
48% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure

Missouri Survey Results (PPP)

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 39%
Disapprove...................................................... 57%
Not sure .......................................................... 4%

KY (Ipsos)

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)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  122
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  77
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 82
white                        too close to call  54
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  47
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  25
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  160



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on August 18, 2010, 08:43:00 AM

Isn't a populist the exact opposite of a libertarian?

No, not in the least. 

Quote

As for your realignment theory, yes there is a realignment. Away from the two major parties that is.

That would be de-alignment and we are getting more partisan. 

You seriously think there will be a realignment towards Republicans when more people disapprove of their job in the congress than the Democrats? It doesn't mean the Democrats don't lose big in 2010, since they are the incumbents. But what it means is that Republican support will be very shallow and the electorate could abandon them for the slightest of reasons. 
It is more than hating the incumbents; they are starting to hate what the incumbents stand for.

Like 2008?

When they elected even more Democrats?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 18, 2010, 08:48:30 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 44%, u.

Disapprove 55%, u.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, -1.

Still in range.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 18, 2010, 08:51:46 AM

Isn't a populist the exact opposite of a libertarian?

No, not in the least. 

Quote

As for your realignment theory, yes there is a realignment. Away from the two major parties that is.

That would be de-alignment and we are getting more partisan. 

You seriously think there will be a realignment towards Republicans when more people disapprove of their job in the congress than the Democrats? It doesn't mean the Democrats don't lose big in 2010, since they are the incumbents. But what it means is that Republican support will be very shallow and the electorate could abandon them for the slightest of reasons. 

It is not incumbency.  The electorate is rejecting the ideology of the Democrats of 2006-2008.  They are however, not turning to the Republican ideology of 2000-2006.  They are moving in a different direction.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 18, 2010, 09:12:07 AM
The 1st gives you the right to practice your religion not WHERE to practice your religion. Do you oppose zoning laws? Would you oppose putting a porn shop in a neighborhood next to an elementary school?

It would be a clear violation of the First Amendment to mandate that a religion be practiced only in places that its adherents find inconvenient. A law that required Jews in Michigan to build any synagogues in Kentucky would of course be un-Constitutional.

We have laws against having bars and liquor stores within certain distances of schools.   Of course, liquor does not have First Amendment protection. But religion does.

Church, temple, synagogue, mosque -- they are all equal under the law. If you disapprove of a mosque being next to a school, then you must oppose any religious building being next to any school. That implies, of course, that a Catholic Church could not have an abutting parochial school... do you agree?

Religious institutions get turned down for new construction all the time. How dare the localities deny their first amendment rights! The first amendment clearly states you have the right to worship, it doesn't guarantee you the right to have your place of worship wherever you want it. Using the argument that the left and Obama has used regarding this current issue if a porn shop is simply using their first amendment rights to freedom of the press, why do you want to suppress them?

It would seem that zoning laws could be used to zone "out" religious bodies of any kind... but never with discrimination! Architectural constraints could be used against eyesore entities. I can assure you that some mosques are architectural gems.

Bigotry against Islam has much the same psychological dynamics as Jew-baiting that has had catastrophic consequences not only for Jews but also the people who fell for the hatred. What is your fear of Islam, anyway? If you have ever been on Michigan Avenue in greater Detroit you will find one of the clearest divides of culture in the world. On the Detroit side of the city limit is a world of bars, liquor stores, sexually-oriented businesses, drunks, and prostitutes. On the Dearborn side I find that people walking the streets are normal families. The businesses are shish-kebab establishments.  No, they aren't all Muslims; the community has plenty of Christians and Jews who like things that way. A whore, addict, or drunk apparently doesn't last long in Dearborn; the schmuck will be arrested and sent back to Detroit after a short stay in the city jail.


Right. Better a mosque than a whorehouse. Better the hijab than a prostitute's get-up. Better "Allah Akbar!" from a minaret than a marquee that touts "Sophisticated Adult Entertainment"  under the image of a scantily-clad girl (probably on heroin).


So in terms of impact on a community, "mosque" = "porn shop".

Thank you States, for being so open in exposing this issue as just plain anti-Muslim bigotry from the right.

"We conservatives know not all Muslims in America are al-Queda sympathizers, buuuuttttt......."

Thanks for missing the point. Read above. Do you oppose zoning laws?
Quote
And as for Islam badger, I know enough about it to know I have a strong dislike for it, as for what other conservatives think about it I don't know nor hardly care.


The test of your genuineness of support of democracy is your acceptance that much that you encounter will violate your sensibilities. Everyone believes in freedom of speech for himself and like-minded people; genuine democrats (as opposed to monarchical absolutists, theocrats, fascists, ba'athists, commies, and Nazis) believe in freedom of expression for those whose ideas disgust them. You need not like Islam to recognize it as a religion deserving the Constitutional protection of the First Amendment.

President Obama is right on the issue of an Islamic cultural center near Ground Zero.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on August 18, 2010, 12:08:21 PM
Gallup just updated

41% approve (-1)
52% disapprove (+1)

Definitely not just statistical noise from ~46% anymore


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 18, 2010, 12:13:33 PM
This confirms PPP's PA poll from yesterday, Nevada on the other hand has swung back a bit.

Rasmussen:
NV: 45/55 (?) (upon looking closer when undecideds are included it = 101%, so I'll just assume approval is 44% until they fix it.)
PA: 43/56

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 18, 2010, 12:14:55 PM
PA & NV

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on August 18, 2010, 01:58:54 PM

Isn't a populist the exact opposite of a libertarian?

No, not in the least. 

Quote

As for your realignment theory, yes there is a realignment. Away from the two major parties that is.

That would be de-alignment and we are getting more partisan. 

You seriously think there will be a realignment towards Republicans when more people disapprove of their job in the congress than the Democrats? It doesn't mean the Democrats don't lose big in 2010, since they are the incumbents. But what it means is that Republican support will be very shallow and the electorate could abandon them for the slightest of reasons. 
It is more than hating the incumbents; they are starting to hate what the incumbents stand for.

Like 2008?

When they elected even more Democrats?

2006 is a better comparison, I agree. But a lot of people still felt that the Republicans were incumbents in 2008 because Bush was still president. You would be surprised at how little people know about the house and senate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on August 18, 2010, 02:05:18 PM

Isn't a populist the exact opposite of a libertarian?

No, not in the least. 

Quote

As for your realignment theory, yes there is a realignment. Away from the two major parties that is.

That would be de-alignment and we are getting more partisan. 

You seriously think there will be a realignment towards Republicans when more people disapprove of their job in the congress than the Democrats? It doesn't mean the Democrats don't lose big in 2010, since they are the incumbents. But what it means is that Republican support will be very shallow and the electorate could abandon them for the slightest of reasons. 

It is not incumbency.  The electorate is rejecting the ideology of the Democrats of 2006-2008.  They are however, not turning to the Republican ideology of 2000-2006.  They are moving in a different direction.

I don't necessarily disagree with you there, but I don't think this new movement is towards hard right politics. Rather it's a move away from business as usual in Washington and a search for common sense politicians ( this is why Obama was so popular when he was promising change in Washington). What seems to concern the tea partiers (like how Obama might be a muslim/foreigner, or how he is trying to take away "their" country) does not seem to concern normal Americans. The only thing the median voter and the Tea party share in common is frustration.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 18, 2010, 02:27:59 PM
Obama brought the change, but public sentiment shifted to another type of change.



I don't necessarily disagree with you there, but I don't think this new movement is towards hard right politics. Rather it's a move away from business as usual in Washington and a search for common sense politicians ( this is why Obama was so popular when he was promising change in Washington). What seems to concern the tea partiers (like how Obama might be a muslim/foreigner, or how he is trying to take away "their" country) does not seem to concern normal Americans. The only thing the median voter and the Tea party share in common is frustration.

You are thinking the desire is to return to the 2000's.  It isn't.  Interestingly, if you remove the name Obama and insert Carter, you could be talking about 1978.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on August 18, 2010, 02:36:15 PM
Obama brought the change, but public sentiment shifted to another type of change.



I don't necessarily disagree with you there, but I don't think this new movement is towards hard right politics. Rather it's a move away from business as usual in Washington and a search for common sense politicians ( this is why Obama was so popular when he was promising change in Washington). What seems to concern the tea partiers (like how Obama might be a muslim/foreigner, or how he is trying to take away "their" country) does not seem to concern normal Americans. The only thing the median voter and the Tea party share in common is frustration.

You are thinking the desire is to return to the 2000's.  It isn't.  Interestingly, if you remove the name Obama and insert Carter, you could be talking about 1978.

The 2000's was a time of bipartisanship where timely, common sense legislation was passed? Uh..no. People didn't like how business is conducted in Washington (always about helping special interests as opposed to the country as a whole) and they wanted a change there. That is certainly why Obama was elected over Clinton and to a lesser extent his victory over Mccain was due to the same reason. Yet Washington still runs in the same exact way (stimulus goes more to public employee unions as opposed to building roads with contractors or the recent push to help the teachers union) and people are pissed off again. That doesn't mean they suddenly love Sarah "refudiate" Palin.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on August 18, 2010, 04:54:21 PM
Gallup just updated

41% approve (-1)
52% disapprove (+1)

Definitely not just statistical noise from ~46% anymore

Wow, this is what, the 4th straight day of increasing Disapproval?  Either the Mosque is really hurting Obama, or Gallup has registered a handful of bad samples in a row.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on August 18, 2010, 08:43:47 PM
There was not any change between Bush and Obama. People thought that going Crat would bring it. It did not.

While not an appealing option, people may hold their noses in hopes that the GOP has changed its ways.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 18, 2010, 09:12:09 PM
Gallup just updated

41% approve (-1)
52% disapprove (+1)

Definitely not just statistical noise from ~46% anymore

Well, we are not seeing a parallel with Rasmussen.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Beet on August 18, 2010, 09:22:44 PM
There was not any change between Bush and Obama. People thought that going Crat would bring it. It did not.

While not an appealing option, people may hold their noses in hopes that the GOP has changed its ways.

Disagree. Obama wouldn't do something stupid like squander massive surpluses in good economic times, launch a disastrous war on trumped up evidence, or encourage (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/worldbusiness/21iht-admin.4.18853088.html?_r=1), protect (http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/10/pre-emption-of-state-anti-predatory-lending-laws-led-to-more-foreclosures/) and promote (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNqQx7sjoS8&feature=related) something as disastrous as one bubble on top of another. Say what you want about Obama, he has a temperate nature, not a reckless one.

It's the Republicans who haven't changed. Handed a guaranteed win cycle where they could have chosen moderates or normal conservatives, they've put themselves at risk to nominate far out tea party candidates. Handed an opportunity by the Senate filibuster to cooperate and help shape the health care bill, they instead chose to gamble on obstruction and lost any say in the final bill. The Republicans gamble with their future just as they gambled (and lost) America's future when they were in charge.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on August 18, 2010, 09:26:45 PM
There was not any change between Bush and Obama. People thought that going Crat would bring it. It did not.

While not an appealing option, people may hold their noses in hopes that the GOP has changed its ways.

Disagree. Obama wouldn't do something stupid like squander massive surpluses in good economic times, launch a disastrous war on trumped up evidence, or encourage (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/worldbusiness/21iht-admin.4.18853088.html?_r=1), protect (http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/10/pre-emption-of-state-anti-predatory-lending-laws-led-to-more-foreclosures/) and promote (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNqQx7sjoS8&feature=related) something as disastrous as one bubble on top of another. Say what you want about Obama, he has a temperate nature, not a reckless one.

It's the Republicans who haven't changed. Handed a guaranteed win cycle where they could have chosen moderates or normal conservatives, they've put themselves at risk to nominate far out tea party candidates. Handed an opportunity by the Senate filibuster to cooperate and help shape the health care bill, they instead chose to gamble on obstruction and lost any say in the final bill. The Republicans gamble with their future just as they gambled (and lost) America's future when they were in charge.

This is another good reason why the Dems will lose. Ignorance.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Beet on August 18, 2010, 09:28:44 PM
There was not any change between Bush and Obama. People thought that going Crat would bring it. It did not.

While not an appealing option, people may hold their noses in hopes that the GOP has changed its ways.

Disagree. Obama wouldn't do something stupid like squander massive surpluses in good economic times, launch a disastrous war on trumped up evidence, or encourage (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/worldbusiness/21iht-admin.4.18853088.html?_r=1), protect (http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/10/pre-emption-of-state-anti-predatory-lending-laws-led-to-more-foreclosures/) and promote (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNqQx7sjoS8&feature=related) something as disastrous as one bubble on top of another. Say what you want about Obama, he has a temperate nature, not a reckless one.

It's the Republicans who haven't changed. Handed a guaranteed win cycle where they could have chosen moderates or normal conservatives, they've put themselves at risk to nominate far out tea party candidates. Handed an opportunity by the Senate filibuster to cooperate and help shape the health care bill, they instead chose to gamble on obstruction and lost any say in the final bill. The Republicans gamble with their future just as they gambled (and lost) America's future when they were in charge.

This is another good reason why the Dems will lose. Ignorance.

Huh? I knew how bad this year was going to be more than a year ago. Obama's going to be punished for the consequences of Bush's bust. And the Republicans will take credit when the economy recovers later because debt was paired down during the Obama years. Congrats, you got out of the consequences of your own actions. You got nothing to complain about.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 18, 2010, 10:11:39 PM
Big news -- the last US combat troops are leaving Iraq.

Hallelujah!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 18, 2010, 10:13:53 PM
Big news -- the last US combat troops are leaving Iraq.

Hallelujah!

Until the questions, "Who lost Iraq," is asked or an Iranian problem comes up.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: izixs on August 19, 2010, 12:59:42 AM
Big news -- the last US combat troops are leaving Iraq.

Hallelujah!

Until the questions, "Who lost Iraq," is asked or an Iranian problem comes up.

Easy, the same people thought we'd win in six months due to being greeted as liberators.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 19, 2010, 08:39:28 AM
Maryland Survey of 750 Likely Voters

Conducted August 17, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

   

    41% Strongly approve
    15% Somewhat approve
      7% Somewhat disapprove
    38% Strongly disapprove
      0% Not sure

Small area for so many electoral votes. 

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  122
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  77
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 82
white                        too close to call  54
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  47
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  25
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  160



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 19, 2010, 08:44:57 AM
Big news -- the last US combat troops are leaving Iraq.

Hallelujah!

Until the questions, "Who lost Iraq," is asked or an Iranian problem comes up.

You are truly laughable.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on August 19, 2010, 08:53:23 AM
Big news -- the last US combat troops are leaving Iraq.

Hallelujah!

I think you just had you 'Mission Accomplished' moment.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on August 19, 2010, 08:53:45 AM
Big news -- the last US combat troops are leaving Iraq.

Hallelujah!

I think you just had your 'Mission Accomplished' moment.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 19, 2010, 09:00:35 AM
Big news -- the last US combat troops are leaving Iraq.

Hallelujah!

I think you just had your 'Mission Accomplished' moment.

Why'd you quote yourself?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on August 19, 2010, 09:01:58 AM

Accident lol


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 19, 2010, 09:08:03 AM
Big news -- the last US combat troops are leaving Iraq.

Hallelujah!

Until the questions, "Who lost Iraq," is asked or an Iranian problem comes up.

Who lost Iraq? George W. Bush and the neocon clique.

Iranian problem? Maybe Allah can take Mahmoud Ahmedinedjad and send him to the Great Satan.

The dirty little secret was that with a brutal tyrant as its leader, Iraq was able to hold its own against Iran... without American combat troops. I see no evidence that any country except perhaps North Korea would stand in solidarity with Iran as an aggressor against Iraq.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 19, 2010, 09:18:01 AM
Big news -- the last US combat troops are leaving Iraq.

Hallelujah!

Until the questions, "Who lost Iraq," is asked or an Iranian problem comes up.

Who lost Iraq? George W. Bush and the neocon clique.

Iranian problem? Maybe Allah can take Mahmoud Ahmedinedjad and send him to the Great Satan.

The dirty little secret was that with a brutal tyrant as its leader, Iraq was able to hold its own against Iran... without American combat troops. I see no evidence that any country except perhaps North Korea would stand in solidarity with Iran as an aggressor against Iraq. 

Quoted for truth.

This is one of the great problems of the mid-east, it is easily destabilized.  One thing a US presence does is provide stability.

Whatever president is in office loses points when the situation destabilizes. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 19, 2010, 09:24:26 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, +1.

Disapprove 53%, -1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, u.

Still in range.

The drop in Gallup is not being reflected in Rasmussen.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 19, 2010, 09:49:26 AM
Big news -- the last US combat troops are leaving Iraq.

Hallelujah!

Until the questions, "Who lost Iraq," is asked or an Iranian problem comes up.

Who lost Iraq? George W. Bush and the neocon clique.

Iranian problem? Maybe Allah can take Mahmoud Ahmedinedjad and send him to the Great Satan.

The dirty little secret was that with a brutal tyrant as its leader, Iraq was able to hold its own against Iran... without American combat troops. I see no evidence that any country except perhaps North Korea would stand in solidarity with Iran as an aggressor against Iraq. 

Quoted for truth.

This is one of the great problems of the mid-east, it is easily destabilized.  One thing a US presence does is provide stability.

Whatever president is in office loses points when the situation destabilizes. 

We have advisors. Armed advisors, to be sure, but that gives us some influence.

The Iraqi people will have to create their own stability. Such will depend upon letting some bygones be bygones. It may be that the only unifying factor is that everyone loathes the late and unlamented tyrant Saddam Hussein.  Iraq is not an international pariah as was the Republic of Vietnam in 1972.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 19, 2010, 10:43:15 AM
Big news -- the last US combat troops are leaving Iraq.

Cheers for getting the last US combat troops out of Iraq!  Jeers for continued combat missions in Iraq.

Wait ... what?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 19, 2010, 11:11:54 AM
Polls on the next few days should be.... interesting.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on August 19, 2010, 11:36:43 AM
Polls on the next few days should be.... interesting.

Depends on the media coverage. Iraq hasn't been in the mainstream news for 1-2 years now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 19, 2010, 12:01:59 PM
Polls on the next few days should be.... interesting.

Depends on the media coverage. Iraq hasn't been in the mainstream news for 1-2 years now.

Such would likely enhance his "strongly approve" rating and reduce his "strongly disapprove" rating on Rasmussen. But that's only "likely" from me.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 19, 2010, 12:52:15 PM
FL (Quinnipiac): 47-47

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1488

NJ (Quinnipiac): 47-47

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1489


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 19, 2010, 01:03:22 PM
WA & MD (no big surprises.) FL & NJ both tied up at 47.

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 19, 2010, 01:04:03 PM
FL (Quinnipiac): 47-47

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1488

NJ (Quinnipiac): 47-47

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1489

In what world? :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 19, 2010, 01:26:14 PM
FL (Quinnipiac): 47-47

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1488

NJ (Quinnipiac): 47-47

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1489

In what world? :P

I'm not overjoyed with Q outside of the Northeast (and generally NY, NJ and New England).

I still would think NJ is an outlier.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 19, 2010, 01:27:02 PM
According to Fox, Obama is at Jimmy Carter levels.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 19, 2010, 01:28:10 PM
FL (Quinnipiac): 47-47

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1488

NJ (Quinnipiac): 47-47

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1489

In what world? :P

I'm not overjoyed with Q outside of the Northeast (and generally NY, NJ and New England).

I still would think NJ is an outlier.

It's kinda hard picking the outlier of those two. It's doubtful that Obama's even in Florida and it's doubtful that he's even and not above ground in NJ. I'm more inclined to think that the FL is the outlier.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 19, 2010, 01:29:04 PM
According to Fox, Obama is at Jimmy Carter levels.

According to Fox, Sarah Palin is good enough to be paid to give political commentary. Just sayin'.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 19, 2010, 01:30:23 PM
According to Fox, Obama is at Jimmy Carter levels.

Lolz. What ?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 19, 2010, 01:48:32 PM
According to Fox, Obama is at Jimmy Carter levels.

According to Fox, Sarah Palin is good enough to be paid to give political commentary. Just sayin'.

The guy saying it was Carter's old pollster, Pat Caddell.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 19, 2010, 01:49:41 PM
FL (Quinnipiac): 47-47

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1488

NJ (Quinnipiac): 47-47

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1489

In what world? :P

I'm not overjoyed with Q outside of the Northeast (and generally NY, NJ and New England).

I still would think NJ is an outlier.

It's kinda hard picking the outlier of those two. It's doubtful that Obama's even in Florida and it's doubtful that he's even and not above ground in NJ. I'm more inclined to think that the FL is the outlier.

New Jersey -- possibly the proposed Islamic Cultural Center near Ground Zero. Florida -- end of the Gusher in the Gulf.  My guess, and nothing more.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 19, 2010, 01:50:44 PM
FL (Quinnipiac): 47-47

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1488

NJ (Quinnipiac): 47-47

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1489

In what world? :P

I'm not overjoyed with Q outside of the Northeast (and generally NY, NJ and New England).

I still would think NJ is an outlier.

It's kinda hard picking the outlier of those two. It's doubtful that Obama's even in Florida and it's doubtful that he's even and not above ground in NJ. I'm more inclined to think that the FL is the outlier.

I'd normally pay more attention to Q in NJ than Q in FL, but I still it is too low for Obama in NJ.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 19, 2010, 01:55:19 PM
FL (Quinnipiac): 47-47

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1488

NJ (Quinnipiac): 47-47

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1489

In what world? :P

I'm not overjoyed with Q outside of the Northeast (and generally NY, NJ and New England).

I still would think NJ is an outlier.

It's kinda hard picking the outlier of those two. It's doubtful that Obama's even in Florida and it's doubtful that he's even and not above ground in NJ. I'm more inclined to think that the FL is the outlier.

New Jersey -- possibly the proposed Islamic Cultural Center near Ground Zero. Florida -- end of the Gusher in the Gulf.  My guess, and nothing more.

FL was never hugely effected by the oil spill, especially the east coast.

NJ, if it is the mosque, he's lost the election.  I think NJ is just a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 19, 2010, 01:57:06 PM

It was Carter's pollster saying so.  ::)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Republic on August 19, 2010, 02:00:25 PM
Caddell is renowned for being the Democrats' Debbie Downer.  You know that, J. J.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 19, 2010, 02:05:42 PM
Caddell is renowned for being the Democrats' Debbie Downer.  You know that, J. J.

Yes, and he's generally right when he does it.

He also noted that Obama could change course.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on August 19, 2010, 03:01:53 PM
Big news -- the last US combat troops are leaving Iraq.

Hallelujah!

Until the questions, "Who lost Iraq," is asked or an Iranian problem comes up.

Who lost Iraq? George W. Bush and the neocon clique.

Iranian problem? Maybe Allah can take Mahmoud Ahmedinedjad and send him to the Great Satan.

The dirty little secret was that with a brutal tyrant as its leader, Iraq was able to hold its own against Iran... without American combat troops. I see no evidence that any country except perhaps North Korea would stand in solidarity with Iran as an aggressor against Iraq. 
This is one of the great problems of the mid-east, it is easily destabilized.  One thing a US presence does is provide stability.

LOL wut?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 19, 2010, 03:03:19 PM
FL (Quinnipiac): 47-47

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1488

NJ (Quinnipiac): 47-47

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1489

In what world? :P

I'm not overjoyed with Q outside of the Northeast (and generally NY, NJ and New England).

I still would think NJ is an outlier.

It's kinda hard picking the outlier of those two. It's doubtful that Obama's even in Florida and it's doubtful that he's even and not above ground in NJ. I'm more inclined to think that the FL is the outlier.

New Jersey -- possibly the proposed Islamic Cultural Center near Ground Zero. Florida -- end of the Gusher in the Gulf.  My guess, and nothing more.

FL was never hugely effected by the oil spill, especially the east coast.

NJ, if it is the mosque, he's lost the election.  I think NJ is just a bad sample.

Florida is very touchy about oil spills. New Jersey? In line with Pennsylvania.

Just wait a month or so. The states get polled frequently.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on August 19, 2010, 03:47:32 PM
New Jersey has dipped on Obama before. Remember right before our 2009 election? It was rather negative.

Besides, PA has been dipping and NJ would likely trend in the same direction as PA.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 19, 2010, 03:59:55 PM


Florida is very touchy about oil spills. New Jersey? In line with Pennsylvania.

Just wait a month or so. The states get polled frequently.

FL was never that touchy about it.  NJ is never in line with PA.

I think both polls might be bad.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on August 19, 2010, 04:09:00 PM


Florida is very touchy about oil spills. New Jersey? In line with Pennsylvania.

Just wait a month or so. The states get polled frequently.

FL was never that touchy about it.  NJ is never in line with PA.

I think both polls might be bad.

Lol NJ is not the same, but the movement is similar, at least recently.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on August 19, 2010, 06:23:20 PM
Any chance both of them are outliers?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 19, 2010, 08:09:35 PM
Washington State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 18, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

       33% Strongly approve
       20% Somewhat approve
         7% Somewhat disapprove
       40% Strongly disapprove
         0% Not sure

Quinnipiac has ties in Florida and New Jersey at 47.

Rhode Island State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 17, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

 

35% Strongly approve
21% Somewhat approve
11% Somewhat disapprove
31% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure

Of course, if he were "President of Arkansas" he would have to watch his back... and the senior military officers:

Arkansas Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted August 18, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

21% Strongly approve
10% Somewhat approve
13% Somewhat disapprove
56% Strongly disapprove
  0% Not sure

Things are marginally better for him in Wyoming, but still awful:

Wyoming Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted August 18, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

19% Strongly approve
13% Somewhat approve
  9% Somewhat disapprove
58% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  126
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  59
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 122
white                        too close to call  26
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  47
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  25
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  160



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 20, 2010, 09:12:32 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, -1.

Disapprove 54%, +1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, u.

Still in range.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 20, 2010, 12:09:30 PM
Alabama Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted August 19, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

30% Strongly approve
  7% Somewhat approve
  6% Somewhat disapprove
55% Strongly disapprove
  2% Not sure

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  126
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  59
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 122
white                        too close to call  26
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  47
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  25
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  160



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages. An incompetent incumbent needs more advantages than the model suggests.

......


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 21, 2010, 12:27:01 AM
SurveyUSA (August 16 - 600 state adults):

California: 50-46
Kansas: 38-56
Oregon: 44-52
Washington: 46-52


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on August 21, 2010, 12:52:38 AM
SurveyUSA (August 16 - 600 state adults):

California: 50-46
Kansas: 38-56
Oregon: 44-52
Washington: 46-52

Some improper weighting.  Whites comprise over 50% of that sample in California, and are only about 40% of the population Statewide.  With those demographics breakdowns, weighted for Statewide numbers correctly, the numbers are 54-42.  Also, I think they have a bad sample of California Blacks, as 61-38 is way too low for them.

The Kansas one is actually 30-66 from what I can see here on the cross tabs, which is also probably below what he should be at.  Composition numbers are again kind of weird (33% of Kansas Adults are under the age of 35?), and they almost certainly got a bad sample of Hispanics, who in this poll approve of Obama 17-71.  A 54-point disapproval gap?

The Oregon poll looks alot better, although still far lower than i would expect for that state.  Hispanics approve of Obama by only a single point, 39-38 though, which raises some questions.

And the Washington Poll is the same as the Oregon one, with Hispanics disapproving of Obama by a rather large 18 points, 41-59.  He's also losing Metro Seattle, 45-53.

So, either Obama has lost Hispanics for the Democratic party (might just be Left-leaning ones disapproving on Immigration though) or these are a series of bad polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 21, 2010, 01:31:53 AM
Ca, WA, OR, & Ks

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 21, 2010, 08:46:30 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, u.

Disapprove 53%, +1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, u.

Still in range.  The numbers are exceptionally stable.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 21, 2010, 09:25:47 AM
SurveyUSA (August 16 - 600 state adults):

California: 50-46
Kansas: 38-56
Oregon: 44-52
Washington: 46-52

Some improper weighting.  Whites comprise over 50% of that sample in California, and are only about 40% of the population Statewide.  With those demographics breakdowns, weighted for Statewide numbers correctly, the numbers are 54-42.  Also, I think they have a bad sample of California Blacks, as 61-38 is way too low for them.

The Kansas one is actually 30-66 from what I can see here on the cross tabs, which is also probably below what he should be at.  Composition numbers are again kind of weird (33% of Kansas Adults are under the age of 35?), and they almost certainly got a bad sample of Hispanics, who in this poll approve of Obama 17-71.  A 54-point disapproval gap?

The Oregon poll looks alot better, although still far lower than i would expect for that state.  Hispanics approve of Obama by only a single point, 39-38 though, which raises some questions.

And the Washington Poll is the same as the Oregon one, with Hispanics disapproving of Obama by a rather large 18 points, 41-59.  He's also losing Metro Seattle, 45-53.

So, either Obama has lost Hispanics for the Democratic party (might just be Left-leaning ones disapproving on Immigration though) or these are a series of bad polls.

As usual the SurveyUSA polls are far out of line,  and their inclusion ordinarily entails more problems than they are worth.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 21, 2010, 11:22:12 AM
SurveyUSA (August 16 - 600 state adults):

California: 50-46
Kansas: 38-56
Oregon: 44-52
Washington: 46-52

Some improper weighting.  Whites comprise over 50% of that sample in California, and are only about 40% of the population Statewide.  With those demographics breakdowns, weighted for Statewide numbers correctly, the numbers are 54-42.  Also, I think they have a bad sample of California Blacks, as 61-38 is way too low for them.

The Kansas one is actually 30-66 from what I can see here on the cross tabs, which is also probably below what he should be at.  Composition numbers are again kind of weird (33% of Kansas Adults are under the age of 35?), and they almost certainly got a bad sample of Hispanics, who in this poll approve of Obama 17-71.  A 54-point disapproval gap?

The Oregon poll looks alot better, although still far lower than i would expect for that state.  Hispanics approve of Obama by only a single point, 39-38 though, which raises some questions.

And the Washington Poll is the same as the Oregon one, with Hispanics disapproving of Obama by a rather large 18 points, 41-59.  He's also losing Metro Seattle, 45-53.

So, either Obama has lost Hispanics for the Democratic party (might just be Left-leaning ones disapproving on Immigration though) or these are a series of bad polls.

You have been looking at the July crosstabs, when Obama was at 30-66 in Kansas.

The August crosstabs have not been released yet on their site.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on August 21, 2010, 04:49:07 PM

You have been looking at the July crosstabs, when Obama was at 30-66 in Kansas.

The August crosstabs have not been released yet on their site.

Ah, My Mistake.

In Other news, Obama's up to 43-50 in Gallup, suggesting their recent trend was a bit of an aberration.  It's still highly likely to be his worst week so far though, with an average of about 42% Approval Likely.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on August 22, 2010, 03:49:15 AM

You have been looking at the July crosstabs, when Obama was at 30-66 in Kansas.

The August crosstabs have not been released yet on their site.

Ah, My Mistake.

In Other news, Obama's up to 43-50 in Gallup, suggesting their recent trend was a bit of an aberration.  It's still highly likely to be his worst week so far though, with an average of about 42% Approval Likely.

It was the mosque effect.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 22, 2010, 06:40:31 AM
Rasmussen (22-08-2010):

48% Approve (+3)
51% Disapprove (-2)

25% Strongly Approve (nc)
42% Strongly Disapprove (-2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 22, 2010, 09:08:23 AM

You have been looking at the July crosstabs, when Obama was at 30-66 in Kansas.

The August crosstabs have not been released yet on their site.

Ah, My Mistake.

In Other news, Obama's up to 43-50 in Gallup, suggesting their recent trend was a bit of an aberration.  It's still highly likely to be his worst week so far though, with an average of about 42% Approval Likely.

It was the mosque effect.

We may be finding that cultural affronts have the potential for swift and severe harm to approval ratings for a few days only for the approval ratings to rebound soon afterward.

Polls after the graceful pull-out of American combat divisions from Iraq might be...interesting. Maybe Georgia (with a large military presence) was more a portent than a freak.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on August 22, 2010, 09:13:36 AM
Rasmussen (22-08-2010):

48% Approve (+3)
51% Disapprove (-2)

25% Strongly Approve (nc)
42% Strongly Disapprove (-2)

The Bam Bounce!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 22, 2010, 09:36:41 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, +3.

Disapprove 51%, -2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -2.

For formatting.

Probably a good Obama sample moving into the system.  Still barely within range.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 22, 2010, 11:01:47 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, +3.

Disapprove 51%, -2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -2.

For formatting.

Probably a good Obama sample moving into the system.  Still barely within range.

Within the range for recent highs. We have been seeing overall approval ratings between 43% for lows and 49% for highs over the last couple of months.  I haven't seen any approval over 50% for about a year now, which really would be outside the range.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on August 22, 2010, 12:56:10 PM
The weekends polls are always good for Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 22, 2010, 03:43:56 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, +3.

Disapprove 51%, -2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -2.

For formatting.

Probably a good Obama sample moving into the system.  Still barely within range.

Within the range for recent highs. We have been seeing overall approval ratings between 43% for lows and 49% for highs over the last couple of months.  I haven't seen any approval over 50% for about a year now, which really would be outside the range.





I think it is at the upper end of the "normal" range.  If it's 48%+ in four days, there might be some real movement.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 23, 2010, 09:29:06 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, -1.

Disapprove 52%, +1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.

The strongly numbers are at the edge of pro-Obama range.  It could be a good Obamasample moving through the system.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 23, 2010, 02:35:55 PM
...not that it changes anything:

Texas Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted on August 22, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

      

20% Strongly approve

14% Somewhat approve

11% Somewhat disapprove

54% Strongly disapprove

  1% Not sure

This one has some significance, though:

Oregon Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 22, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

31% Strongly approve
22% Somewhat approve
  5% Somewhat disapprove
42% Strongly disapprove
  0% Not sure

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  126
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  59
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 122
white                        too close to call  26
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  47
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin 18
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  167



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on August 23, 2010, 05:13:41 PM
Gallup's weekly averages are up for the past week, showing 43-50 (From 44-48 last week).  It doesn't look good for him, to say the least.  The only categories he gets above 50% approval in are the under-30s (52%), Blacks (87%), Democrats (76%), Liberals (74%), the unmarried (52%), and some derivatives of the above (Liberal Democrats, etc.).  He's at 50% with Hispanics and Moderates.

The Biggest drops from a week ago are from pure independents (42 to 32), Blacks (93 to 87), the infrequent Churchgoers (45 to 39), and Baby Boomers (45 to 39).  The biggest increases were among under 30s (46 to 52), and Liberal Democrats (82 to 86)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 24, 2010, 08:43:38 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, -2.

Disapprove 54%, +2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +2.

A strong Obama sample has moved out of the system.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 24, 2010, 10:33:22 AM
OR & TX

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 24, 2010, 01:14:52 PM
FL (PPP): 39-55

MO (Rasmussen): 41-58


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 24, 2010, 02:15:32 PM
Missouri State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 23, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

       23% Strongly approve
       18% Somewhat approve
         9% Somewhat disapprove
       49% Strongly disapprove
         1% Not sure


Florida poll?  it provokes more questions than it resolves.

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  126
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  59
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 122
white                        too close to call  26
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  47
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin 29
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  184



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

......



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on August 24, 2010, 02:35:20 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, -2.

Disapprove 54%, +2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +2.

A strong Obama sample has moved out of the system.


Just curious.  It seems that recently there have been an even number of days showing Obama around 47-48% and those showing him around 44-45%. 

How come every day it goes a little up it must have just been a good Obama sample?  Isn't it just as easy for me to say today's sample is a BAD Obama sample? 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 24, 2010, 02:48:14 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, -2.

Disapprove 54%, +2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +2.

A strong Obama sample has moved out of the system.


Just curious.  It seems that recently there have been an even number of days showing Obama around 47-48% and those showing him around 44-45%. 

How come every day it goes a little up it must have just been a good Obama sample?  Isn't it just as easy for me to say today's sample is a BAD Obama sample? 

He's not passing judgements on "good" versus "bad" samples, he's stating an obvious fact: That Obama's numbers declined because a strong Obama sample -- that is, one where Obama was viewed favorably -- dropped off the moving average.

Today's sample could be unrepresentative of the average -- or it could be dead on. That's why any analysis here has to be viewed in terms of "ranges" and not solid percentages. Obama has shown himself to be in a somewhat stable net-negative range as of late, with some limited movement back and forth.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 24, 2010, 03:47:42 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, -2.

Disapprove 54%, +2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +2.

A strong Obama sample has moved out of the system.



Just curious.  It seems that recently there have been an even number of days showing Obama around 47-48% and those showing him around 44-45%. 

How come every day it goes a little up it must have just been a good Obama sample?  Isn't it just as easy for me to say today's sample is a BAD Obama sample? 

Over the last two months the low for Obama, which was due to a bad sample, was 41% in approve.  The high was 49%.  Based on that, I generally refer to approval rates at 47%-49% and 41%-43% as probably good and bad samples, respectively, unless they stay around for more than three days. 

In other words, every little down is a bad Obama sample.  I'm saying he's staying stable.

I would note that when Obama was at 43% approval (about 10 days ago), I said "bad Obama sample."

Perhaps I should ask why you only ask the question after the good sample moves through the numbers, and not when a bad sample drops out?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 24, 2010, 04:48:49 PM
MO & FL

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: #CriminalizeSobriety on August 24, 2010, 05:45:49 PM
Wow, FL swung hard against Obama once more.

Might it have only been a bounce from cleaning up the spill?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 24, 2010, 06:04:46 PM
Wow, FL swung hard against Obama once more.

Might it have only been a bounce from cleaning up the spill?

It just could have been a really skewed poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 25, 2010, 08:24:45 AM
Illinois Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 23, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

     

35% Strongly approve
       18% Somewhat approve
         7% Somewhat disapprove
       40% Strongly disapprove
         0% Not sure

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  146
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  39
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 122
white                        too close to call  26
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  47
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin 29
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  184



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 25, 2010, 08:35:14 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 44%, -1.

Disapprove 56%, +2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, +2.

In range, but the disapprove numbers are near the upper end of the range.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on August 25, 2010, 09:56:33 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, -2.

Disapprove 54%, +2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +2.

A strong Obama sample has moved out of the system.



Just curious.  It seems that recently there have been an even number of days showing Obama around 47-48% and those showing him around 44-45%. 

How come every day it goes a little up it must have just been a good Obama sample?  Isn't it just as easy for me to say today's sample is a BAD Obama sample? 

Over the last two months the low for Obama, which was due to a bad sample, was 41% in approve.  The high was 49%.  Based on that, I generally refer to approval rates at 47%-49% and 41%-43% as probably good and bad samples, respectively, unless they stay around for more than three days. 

In other words, every little down is a bad Obama sample.  I'm saying he's staying stable.

I would note that when Obama was at 43% approval (about 10 days ago), I said "bad Obama sample."

Perhaps I should ask why you only ask the question after the good sample moves through the numbers, and not when a bad sample drops out?


Because the thread has become rather "hackish" at times.  I'm well aware of the mean and range of the numbers, I'm just wondering how you are interpreting it. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 25, 2010, 01:27:02 PM
CA (Rasmussen): 55-43

WI (Rasmussen): 48-51


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 25, 2010, 01:59:28 PM
Because the thread has become rather "hackish" at times.  I'm well aware of the mean and range of the numbers, I'm just wondering how you are interpreting it. 

Dude, this thread is the definition of "hack."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on August 25, 2010, 02:17:30 PM
my current prediction minus the midterm elections

Obama - 214
Opposition - 324

the light cannot be seen at the end of the tunnel, lol

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on August 25, 2010, 02:30:49 PM
42-51 in Gallup, down from 45-50 yesterday.  Either a really bad Obama sample has just entered the system, a really good one has just left, or (most likely) both.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 25, 2010, 03:17:16 PM
CA & WI

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 25, 2010, 03:21:02 PM
California State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 24, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

36% Strongly approve
19% Somewhat approve
  7% Somewhat disapprove
36% Strongly disapprove
  2% Not sure

Oregon Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 22, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

31% Strongly approve
22% Somewhat approve
  5% Somewhat disapprove
42% Strongly disapprove
  0% Not sure

Wisconsin State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 24, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

31% Strongly approve
17% Somewhat approve
  5% Somewhat disapprove
46% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure

Utah State Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted August 23, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

 

19% Strongly approve

14% Somewhat approve

16% Somewhat disapprove

51% Strongly disapprove

  1% Not sure

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  146
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  39
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 111
white                        too close to call  26
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  47
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin 29
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  184



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on August 25, 2010, 04:52:01 PM
A prediction at this point it's kind of hard to do.... but I'm going to guess it ends up kind of like this.  

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Obama 323 - 52%
Challenger 215 - 47%

Basically, the conservatives that went with him in 2008 are pushed away by now, costing him NC and IN.  He loses the big margins in the West and 9 EVs in the historically very anti-incumbant Colorado.  Other than that the economy SEEMS to be heading in the right direction and Obama is able to highlight the things he has been able to accomplish.  Not the victory he enjoyed in 2008, but since generally the country seems to be making progress we stick with him.  

(Not only that, but I'm predicting the GOP winds up with a candidate and campaign that's WAAAAAAAY too much to the right of the country as a whole)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on August 25, 2010, 07:06:51 PM
A prediction at this point it's kind of hard to do.... but I'm going to guess it ends up kind of like this.  

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)

Obama 323 - 52%
Challenger 215 - 47%

Basically, the conservatives that went with him in 2008 are pushed away by now, costing him NC and IN.  He loses the big margins in the West and 9 EVs in the historically very anti-incumbant Colorado.  Other than that the economy SEEMS to be heading in the right direction and Obama is able to highlight the things he has been able to accomplish.  Not the victory he enjoyed in 2008, but since generally the country seems to be making progress we stick with him.  

(Not only that, but I'm predicting the GOP winds up with a candidate and campaign that's WAAAAAAAY too much to the right of the country as a whole)
That is certainly possible, but unless the GOP proves that they are completely inept at picking competent candidates then they should be able to take back Virginia and Florida at least.  And the fact that this election will most likely hinge on the economy makes it very hard to predict; after all, how many people predicted the '08 crash?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: izixs on August 25, 2010, 07:25:47 PM
after all, how many people predicted the '08 crash?

Weirdly enough, I did. Going forward, I predict that things will muddle through until at least next year and then start a good recovery once again.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 25, 2010, 07:34:14 PM

That is certainly possible, but unless the GOP proves that they are completely inept at picking competent candidates then they should be able to take back Virginia and Florida at least.  And the fact that this election will most likely hinge on the economy makes it very hard to predict; after all, how many people predicted the '08 crash?

All that surprised me was that it took until 2008. The warning signs -- overinvestment in real estate at the expense of everything else, workers; incomes lagging GDP growth, and of course  the severe over-rating of "collateral debt obligations" that were in fact housing loans that could never be paid off except through inflation that the US government was not going to let happen.

An economy built on a foundation of fraud is doomed to failure.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on August 25, 2010, 07:42:35 PM
So, you guys are Genies.

I don't remember any people in the news talking about our shaky economy in 2006.  But then I could be wrong.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 25, 2010, 08:02:00 PM
after all, how many people predicted the '08 crash?

Weirdly enough, I did. Going forward, I predict that things will muddle through until at least next year and then start a good recovery once again.

So did Hillery.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 26, 2010, 08:41:52 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 44%, u.

Disapprove 56%, u.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, -1.

In range.  The Strongly Disapprove number pulled back a bit.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 26, 2010, 11:32:25 AM
Florida Survey of 750 Likely Voters

Conducted August 25, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly

approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s

been doing?

      

       27% Strongly approve
       19% Somewhat approve
         9% Somewhat disapprove
       46% Strongly disapprove
         1% Not sure

New Mexico State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 24, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President…do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

  

    34% Strongly approve
    23% Somewhat approve
      6% Somewhat disapprove
    37% Strongly disapprove
      0% Not sure

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  151
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  39
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 134
white                        too close to call  26
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  47
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin 29
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  156



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on August 26, 2010, 02:46:15 PM
Why aren't you averaging the two recent polls in Florida? That's what you did with North Carolina  a while back when the poll had Obama with low approvals. You averaged it with a recent one where he had high approvals so he'd look better.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 26, 2010, 04:26:49 PM
Why aren't you averaging the two recent polls in Florida? That's what you did with North Carolina  a while back when the poll had Obama with low approvals. You averaged it with a recent one where he had high approvals so he'd look better.

The graceful departure of the last US combat units from Iraq. Take a look at the most recent Rasmussen poll from  Georgia -- a state with a large military presence.

PPP has become the recent house pollster for Daily Kos, and although Daily Kos is unabashedly on the Left, it had a recent problem with a pollster that leaned too far to the Left and gave a distorted vision of where America stands.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on August 26, 2010, 04:27:33 PM
57-43 for Obama in New Mexico via Rasmussen, which seems way too high for the state.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/new_mexico/election_2010_new_mexico_governor


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 26, 2010, 04:29:48 PM
That's really weird.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on August 26, 2010, 04:40:56 PM

Well, New Mexico is probably the only state in the US where opposing the Arizona immigration law would be politically beneficial for Obama, given that the state is about 45-45-10 White-Hispanic-Native, and the overwhelmingly proportion of those Hispanics are native born (90% or so), and that the state has had little to no problems with illegal immigration.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 26, 2010, 04:51:50 PM
57-43 for Obama in New Mexico via Rasmussen, which seems way too high for the state.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/new_mexico/election_2010_new_mexico_governor

That's about how New Mexico voted in 2008.  Only one other state seems to have polled about as it voted in 2008 -- Georgia, and many see that as an outlier.



 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on August 26, 2010, 10:34:38 PM
Yeah, because most states are polling about how they voted.  How did I know you'd turn this into a solid poll? ::)

Now, just level with me here; Is it exhausting to have to try SO hard to twist everything into a Democratic positive?  Can you really not just look at things the way they are?  OR are you actually delusional enough to believe that trash?  I mean come on, just give it up already!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on August 26, 2010, 10:39:43 PM
Yeah, because most states are polling about how they voted.  How did I know you'd turn this into a solid poll? ::)

Now, just level with me here; Is it exhausting to have to try SO hard to twist everything into a Democratic positive?  Can you really not just look at things the way they are?  OR are you actually delusional enough to believe that trash?  I mean come on, just give it up already!

Well, I'll spin it Rep to balance it out.  If this is an oversample of Obama supporters, than Martinez is leading by way more than 5 points (7 with leaners) in the governor's race.  I'd estimate about 5-6% bigger lead, to the point where this might be a lost cause for Democrats.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 26, 2010, 11:28:10 PM
Yeah, because most states are polling about how they voted.  How did I know you'd turn this into a solid poll? ::)

Now, just level with me here; Is it exhausting to have to try SO hard to twist everything into a Democratic positive?  Can you really not just look at things the way they are?  OR are you actually delusional enough to believe that trash?  I mean come on, just give it up already!

Only two states that any thought conceivable swing states in 2008, Georgia and New Mexico, seem to be polling as they voted. Someone suggested that new Mexico might poll unusually well for President Obama because of its large Mexican-American-American population  despising the "Papers, please!" legislation in Arizona. The other is Georgia, and there as a possible windfall for President Obama because of the heavy military presence. Career soldiers are the first to know, then loved ones, and then people near military bases.

My usual spin is that one can usually figure that an incumbent Governor or Senator will gain about six percent more vote share than the level of approval before the campaign season begins in earnest if an average campaigner for his office (Eisenhower was the exception to that pattern; he campaigned little, and his vote share was close to his approval rating).  By applying that to an incumbent President one might be more cautious in assuming that the incumbent President  will actively campaign in places where his efforts can make a difference and avoid the sure things (he won't do much campaigning in Michigan unless Senator Stabenow needs some help in 2012 and he won't make many appearances in Utah  unless there is some natural disaster).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 26, 2010, 11:59:19 PM
MO (MSU): 47-49

http://www.ky3.com/news/local/Poll-shows-dead-heat-in-US-Senate-Race.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on August 27, 2010, 12:18:59 AM
Unusually higher numbers now.  Maybe he's actually on an upward trend for some reason.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 27, 2010, 12:22:12 AM


MO (MSU): 47-49

http://www.ky3.com/news/local/Poll-shows-dead-heat-in-US-Senate-Race.html

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  151
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  39
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 145
white                        too close to call  26
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  47
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin 27
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  156



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on August 27, 2010, 12:23:45 AM
I doubt he'll lose PA, and win OH and MO...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 27, 2010, 12:32:50 AM
Unusually higher numbers now.  Maybe he's actually on an upward trend for some reason.

No more bad news from Iraq?

I doubt he'll lose PA, and win OH and MO...

I concur. There should be some interesting polls over the next few days.

I don't know what state will be polled next, but Ohio and Pennsylvania get polled often.
 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 27, 2010, 08:49:17 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, +2.

Disapprove 54%, -2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, u.

In range. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 27, 2010, 09:08:04 AM
Florida Survey of 750 Likely Voters

Conducted August 25, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

   

28% Strongly approve

    18% Somewhat approve

      7% Somewhat disapprove

    46% Strongly disapprove

      1% Not sure

It changes nothing, so no new map.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: exopolitician on August 27, 2010, 09:50:08 AM
Florida Survey of 750 Likely Voters

Conducted August 25, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

  

28% Strongly approve

    18% Somewhat approve

      7% Somewhat disapprove

    46% Strongly disapprove

      1% Not sure

It changes nothing, so no new map.


So, I'm going to take a wild guess and say that would translate to 46-53?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 27, 2010, 11:15:06 AM
Florida Survey of 750 Likely Voters

Conducted August 25, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

  

28% Strongly approve
    18% Somewhat approve
      7% Somewhat disapprove
    46% Strongly disapprove
      1% Not sure

It changes nothing, so no new map.


So, I'm going to take a wild guess and say that would translate to 46-53?

Not bad for a start at the beginning of a campaign season. With a strong campaign apparatus (as in 2008) and a few campaign appearances President Obama would almost certainly win the state.  Not since 1924 (when the state had only six electoral votes) have the Republicans won the Presidency without Florida, Bill Clinton won without it in 1992 and Republicans absolutely needed it in 2000 and 2004.

With the current poll I can say that Obama loses Florida in 2008 if anything new discredits him as President, if he does no campaigning there, if he has no effective campaign apparatus there, or if he campaigns ineptly. Any Republican challenger must win Florida to have a reasonable chance at the Presidency.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 27, 2010, 11:32:18 AM
Florida Survey of 750 Likely Voters

Conducted August 25, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

  

28% Strongly approve
    18% Somewhat approve
      7% Somewhat disapprove
    46% Strongly disapprove
      1% Not sure

It changes nothing, so no new map.


So, I'm going to take a wild guess and say that would translate to 46-53?

Not bad for a start at the beginning of a campaign season. With a strong campaign apparatus (as in 2008) and a few campaign appearances President Obama would almost certainly win the state.  Not since 1924 (when the state had only six electoral votes) have the Republicans won the Presidency without Florida, Bill Clinton won without it in 1992 and Republicans absolutely needed it in 2000 and 2004.

With the current poll I can say that Obama loses Florida in 2008 if anything new discredits him as President, if he does no campaigning there, if he has no effective campaign apparatus there, or if he campaigns ineptly. Any Republican challenger must win Florida to have a reasonable chance at the Presidency.

It's pretty stupid to try and extropolate approval ratings into an election situation. It's about as useful as those "Obama Vs. Generic Republican" match-ups.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 27, 2010, 01:18:54 PM
Arizona State Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted August 25, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

  

      23% Strongly approve
      16% Somewhat approve
      6% Somewhat disapprove
      53% Strongly disapprove
      1% Not sure

South Carolina State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted August 25, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President…do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

      

       31% Strongly approve
         8% Somewhat approve
         6% Somewhat disapprove
       54% Strongly disapprove
         1% Not sure

He's more unpopular than philandering Governor Mark "Don't cry for me, Argentina!" Sanford? Wow! How quickly people can forget!

South Carolina State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted August 25, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President…do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

     

       31% Strongly approve
         8% Somewhat approve
         6% Somewhat disapprove
       54% Strongly disapprove
         1% Not sure

Oklahoma hasn't even been close for a  Democratic nominee for President  since the ideologically-confused election of 1976

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

(
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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  151
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  39
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 145
white                        too close to call  26
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  47
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin 18
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  165



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 27, 2010, 01:33:37 PM
He's more unpopular than philandering Governor Mark "Don't cry for me, Argentina!" Sanford? Wow! How quickly people can forget!

Or maybe people just think that failing in governing is worse than failing in your personal life.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 27, 2010, 01:52:06 PM
LA (PPP): 35-61

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_LA_827.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on August 27, 2010, 02:00:28 PM
Louisiana State Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Approve - 35%
Disapprove - 61%

By PPP


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 27, 2010, 02:06:33 PM
That map is simply ... demonstrable.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 27, 2010, 02:11:24 PM
OK (Rasmussen): 34-65


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on August 27, 2010, 03:35:45 PM
Somehow I don't see the Republicans winning Pennsylvania and losing Georgia.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 27, 2010, 04:19:05 PM
Somehow I don't see the Republicans winning Pennsylvania and losing Georgia.

Neither do I -- but Rasmussen polls Pennsylvania often.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 27, 2010, 06:54:17 PM
He's more unpopular than philandering Governor Mark "Don't cry for me, Argentina!" Sanford? Wow! How quickly people can forget!

Or maybe people just think that failing in governing is worse than failing in your personal life.

But Sanford failed on both of those fronts.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook on August 27, 2010, 10:40:10 PM
Louisiana State Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Approve - 35%
Disapprove - 61%

By PPP


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

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Can you give us a color code for the 2012 prediction map?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sasquatch on August 27, 2010, 11:02:08 PM
Somebody needs to take away the Crayola's.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 28, 2010, 08:47:23 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, -2.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -3.

In range, but very close to the upper edge of good range for Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on August 28, 2010, 11:28:12 AM
His numbers always gets better on the weekend


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 28, 2010, 12:39:02 PM
His numbers always gets better on the weekend

Actually there does not seem to be a huge correlation between the two. 

On top of this, these numbers are from Wednesday through Friday.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 29, 2010, 09:56:55 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 51%, -1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

Disapprove and Strongly Disapprove are at the very low edge of range.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 29, 2010, 11:06:19 AM
Louisiana (PPP):

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  151
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  39
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 145
white                        too close to call  26
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  47
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin 18
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  165



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 29, 2010, 11:17:21 AM
AK (PPP): 44-53

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_AK_829.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 29, 2010, 11:30:14 AM
Only three electoral votes, but remarkable nonetheless:



Alaska Survey Results (PPP)

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of Barack
Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 44%
Disapprove...................................................... 53%
Not sure .......................................................... 4%

Q9 Who did you vote for President in 2008?
John McCain................................................... 55%
Barack Obama................................................ 39%
Someone else/Don't remember ...................... 6%

...an interesting shift!

Democrats have little to gain from the (apparent) primary defeat of Lisa Murkowski:

Q6 If the candidates for US Senate this fall were
Republican Joe Miller and Democrat Scott
McAdams, who would you vote for?

Joe Miller ........................................................ 47%
Scott McAdams............................................... 39%
Undecided....................................................... 14%

unless Scott McAdams is able to pick up a huge number of voters who would have voted for incumbent Senator Murkowski.



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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  151
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  39
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 145
white                        too close to call  29
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  47
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin 15
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  165



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on August 29, 2010, 11:31:30 AM
Possible pro-Obama sample or actual movement in the national polls?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 29, 2010, 11:36:03 AM
Alaska polling is notoriously....bad.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 29, 2010, 11:48:49 AM
Possible pro-Obama sample or actual movement in the national polls?

...no more bad news from Iraq?

Perceptions shape support and disdain for the President.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on August 29, 2010, 12:57:45 PM
Without the added points for incumbent advantage, this would be the map in 2012 by his approval ratings alone.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 29, 2010, 01:12:33 PM

Not to mention that the 55-39 2008 sample is more favorable than the actual 59-37 2008 result...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 29, 2010, 02:09:51 PM

Alaska is a very tricky state in which to poll because the state has lots of people in isolated communities with no reliable land phones.  For predicting a Presidential election -- in all but one election (2000) during statehood has the election been undecided as the election closes in Alaska.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on August 29, 2010, 02:13:39 PM
Gallup: 43/49


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on August 29, 2010, 02:21:27 PM
Possible pro-Obama sample or actual movement in the national polls?

...no more bad news from Iraq?

Perceptions shape support and disdain for the President.

Imo, Iraq hasn't been a big deal with people except the peace activists and those who are genuinely concerned with how much money we've spent there.  Although if the Administration is being able to hype the fact that it's been done, more power to them.  However, I doubt that alone is enough for actual movement.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 29, 2010, 02:43:42 PM
ting.

I'm not a fan of Gallup's tracking poll, but the numbers are within three points of the 'bots.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on August 29, 2010, 05:25:29 PM
Huh?  Gallup is pretty solid but it wouldn't be overly harsh of Obama.

If anything, Gallup is overly favorable for Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 29, 2010, 05:34:51 PM
Huh?  Gallup is pretty solid but it wouldn't be overly harsh of Obama.

If anything, Gallup is overly favorable for Obama.

I am not too thrilled about Gallup's tracking poll accuracy.  Whether or not overly favorable, that doesn't change my opinion of the accuracy.  I just don't trust Gallup's tracking poll as much as I do Rasmussen, in terms of longer term treads.

I use Gallup to compare different presidents over the years.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 29, 2010, 05:47:54 PM
One thing to look at is Obama's negative numbers here:  http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/presidential-approval-tracker.htm

It is running well ahead of either Carter's or Reagan's at the same point in time.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on August 29, 2010, 05:48:54 PM
Update for end of August 2010 (unless something changes greatly in the last couple of days):

All State Polls:  46% Approve (nc), 51% Disapprove (+1)
Rasmussen (3-poll):  47% Approve (-1), 52% Disapprove (+1)
Rasmussen (1-poll only): 47% Approve (nc), 53% Disapprove (+1)
Non-Rasmussen Only:  44% Approve (-2), 50% Disapprove (+1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 30, 2010, 09:30:22 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, -1.

Disapprove 52%, u.


"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -1.

Strongly Disapprove out of range.  Either a good Obama sample or some strengthening of Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 30, 2010, 11:43:36 AM
Colorado Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 29, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

    29% Strongly approve
    17% Somewhat approve
       6% Somewhat disapprove
    47% Strongly disapprove
       1% Not sure

No change, but a critical state nonetheless.

West Virginia Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted August 29, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

17% Strongly approve
12% Somewhat approve
12% Somewhat disapprove
58% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure



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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  151
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  39
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 145
white                        too close to call  29
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  47
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin 15
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  165



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: old timey villain on August 30, 2010, 12:24:03 PM
wow, West Virginia is B-A-D


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 30, 2010, 01:13:20 PM

back in 2008, coal interests (meaning coal tycoon Don Blankenship) put out the meme that as someone showing more empathy to ecological interests than to environment-wreckers for profit and sympathetic to unions, Barack Obama was an "enemy of coal".


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 30, 2010, 01:21:47 PM
What's funnier is the WV approval numbers even though the Dem is the favorite for the senate seat.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 30, 2010, 02:27:24 PM
What's funnier is the WV approval numbers even though the Dem is the favorite for the senate seat.

Not by much, according to Scott.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on August 30, 2010, 05:08:58 PM
What's funnier is the WV approval numbers even though the Dem is the favorite for the senate seat.

West Virginia, like much of the border south, will readily vote for the "right kind" of Democrat, but strongly oppose all others. So it's not that surprising to me.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 31, 2010, 05:03:14 AM
Minnesota (Humphrey Institute): 42-52

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2010/08/31-mn-governors-race-poll/images/MPRHHH-poll-August-2010-governor.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 31, 2010, 09:29:30 AM
NY (Quinnipiac): 51-41

OH (Rasmussen): 45-54

CO (Rasmussen): 42-57

...

Interesting:

Rasmussen has 2 different results for Colorado: The Senate release has it 46-53, the Governor release 42-57 and both were conducted on the same day.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 31, 2010, 09:56:45 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, +2.

Disapprove 51%, -1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +1.

If there there are out of range pro-Obama numbers tomorrow, there is probably a solid shift toward Obama.

Edir:  Strongly Disapprove is corrected.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 31, 2010, 10:02:29 AM
Colorado Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 29, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

    22% Strongly approve
    20% Somewhat approve
     10% Somewhat disapprove
    47% Strongly disapprove
       0% Not sure

Slipping.

...No real change in Ohio, either, but adequate as a start when such is necessary. The President will need an organization  in Ohio and make some effective campaign appearance to win the state.

Ohio Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 30, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

      

       27% Strongly approve
       18% Somewhat approve
         8% Somewhat disapprove
       46% Strongly disapprove
         1% Not sure



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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  151
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  39
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 136
white                        too close to call  29
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  56
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin 15
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  165



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......








Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 31, 2010, 11:07:05 AM
NM, MO, MN, LA, AK, IL, NY, OK, OH, & CO



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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 31, 2010, 11:08:09 AM
PA (Rasmussen): 42-58

NC (PPP): 43-54


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 31, 2010, 11:09:16 AM
NM, MO, MN, LA, AK, IL, NY, OK, OH, & CO



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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


You have to change NM, Rasmussen had 57% for Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on August 31, 2010, 11:13:25 AM
fixed

NM, MO, MN, LA, AK, IL, NY, OK, OH, & CO



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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Edu on August 31, 2010, 11:49:30 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, +2.

Disapprove 51%, -1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, +1.

If there there are out of range pro-Obama numbers tomorrow, there is probably a solid shift toward Obama.

If this happens, any idea why?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on August 31, 2010, 11:56:12 AM
2012 Prediction based upon JBrase's map:

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Core Obama States: 10% Margin of Victory
Safe Obama States: 5% Margin of Victory
Leaning Obama States: 1-3% Margin of Victory
Leaning Republican States: 1-3% Margin of Victory
Safe Republican States: 5% Margin of Victory
Core Republican States: 10% Margin of Victory

It should be noted that this assumes that a moderate republican will get nominated, like Romney or Karger.

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Obama: 322
Republican: 216

So if things stay similar to the current situation, I'd say we're looking at 1996.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 31, 2010, 12:07:17 PM
There´s also upward movement @ Gallup today:

45% Approve (+2)
47% Disapprove (-2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on August 31, 2010, 12:19:31 PM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, +2.

Disapprove 51%, -1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, +1.

If there there are out of range pro-Obama numbers tomorrow, there is probably a solid shift toward Obama.

If this happens, any idea why?

His address to the nation on the withdraw from Iraq happens tonight. Which is probably going to change this numbers for the better.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on August 31, 2010, 05:54:46 PM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, +2.

Disapprove 51%, -1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, +1.

If there there are out of range pro-Obama numbers tomorrow, there is probably a solid shift toward Obama.

If this happens, any idea why?

His address to the nation on the withdraw from Iraq happens tonight. Which is probably going to change this numbers for the better.

I wonder if it'll help him more than his previous speeches at least.  Those usually hurt his numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 31, 2010, 05:58:57 PM
If there is real movement towards him (which I'm still a little skeptical about), expect it to lag in the state polling.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on August 31, 2010, 06:35:47 PM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, +2.

Disapprove 51%, -1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, +1.

If there there are out of range pro-Obama numbers tomorrow, there is probably a solid shift toward Obama.

If this happens, any idea why?

His address to the nation on the withdraw from Iraq happens tonight. Which is probably going to change this numbers for the better.
Hey Scifi.

And I tend to agree nationally, but the change in state-by-state results will be interesting.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on August 31, 2010, 06:36:17 PM
NY (Quinnipiac): 51-41

OH (Rasmussen): 45-54

CO (Rasmussen): 42-57

...

Interesting:

Rasmussen has 2 different results for Colorado: The Senate release has it 46-53, the Governor release 42-57 and both were conducted on the same day.

His last polls of Colorado had the same issue, iirc


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: xavier110 on August 31, 2010, 06:44:03 PM
Is he trying to manipulate the gubernatorial numbers?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on August 31, 2010, 06:54:14 PM
Update for end of August 2010 (unless something changes greatly in the last couple of days):

All State Polls:  46% Approve (nc), 51% Disapprove (+1)
Rasmussen (3-poll):  47% Approve (-1), 52% Disapprove (+1)
Rasmussen (1-poll only): 47% Approve (nc), 53% Disapprove (+1)
Non-Rasmussen Only:  44% Approve (-2), 50% Disapprove (+1)

Need to recorrect slightly...  Last changes will come through tomorrow.

All State Polls:  45% Approve (-1), 51% Disapprove (+1)
Rasmussen (3-poll):  47% Approve (-1), 52% Disapprove (+1)
Rasmussen (1-poll only): 46% Approve (-1), 53% Disapprove (+1)
Non-Rasmussen Only:  45% Approve (-1), 50% Disapprove (+1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Capitan Zapp Brannigan on August 31, 2010, 08:16:08 PM
Is the Obama at 57% approval in New Mexico a bad sample from Rass or what? It seems like it's way too high. I would have expected 51-49 at best.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fritz on September 01, 2010, 06:19:04 AM
MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  151
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  39
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 145
white                        too close to call  29
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  47
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin 15
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  165


Pbrower, why is it that none of your numbers add up right?

3 + 151 + 39 + 145 + 29 + 47 + 15 + 165 = 594.
Electoral votes = 538
???


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 01, 2010, 10:18:17 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 51%, u.


"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

It look like the shift toward Obama is there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on September 01, 2010, 01:04:20 PM
Gallup:

Approve - 47% (+2)
Disapprove - 45% (-2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 01, 2010, 01:06:18 PM

Iraq bounce. ;D


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Capitan Zapp Brannigan on September 01, 2010, 01:13:52 PM
Seems like in the worst case scenario Obama has stabilized his numbers in the past week or so and in the best case scenario we are seeing actual movement for Obama.

Has Obama been below 40% in Gallup yet?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 01, 2010, 01:23:08 PM

No.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Capitan Zapp Brannigan on September 01, 2010, 01:31:28 PM
That's interesting, I could easily see him having a floor of 40% then. He's had a brutal summer and for him to currently be at 47 with all the problems he's had(economy, brutal prospects for Dem candidates and the mosque issue) is pretty incredible.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 01, 2010, 01:35:09 PM
That's interesting, I could easily see him having a floor of 40% then. He's had a brutal summer and for him to currently be at 47 with all the problems he's had(economy, brutal prospects for Dem candidates and the mosque issue) is pretty incredible.

Exactly, but as far as the media's concerned, once a politician falls below 50% approval, then their career is dead.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl on September 01, 2010, 01:35:52 PM

So the lies and propaganda are working.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: redcommander on September 01, 2010, 01:39:48 PM
WTF is up with Gallop consistently giving him a higher approval than other pollsters?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 01, 2010, 01:40:37 PM
WTF is up with Gallop consistently giving him a higher approval than other pollsters?

They were giving him worse than Rasmussen this time last week, weren't they?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: redcommander on September 01, 2010, 02:30:03 PM
WTF is up with Gallop consistently giving him a higher approval than other pollsters?

They were giving him worse than Rasmussen this time last week, weren't they?

The trend has usually been higher.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 01, 2010, 02:54:40 PM
I'm going to try to correct the numbers here. Usually I have done it piecemeal, changing the numbers for a category when I change the state's category. I must have done so twice a couple times.


(
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

(
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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                   OK
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  156
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  39 49
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 145 132
white                        too close to call  29 26
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  47  23
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin 15 6
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  165  143 



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......








Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on September 01, 2010, 02:57:44 PM
Obama approval rating August 2010 (Gallup)

44% Approve

49% Disapprove

Carter: 41/43 (August 1978)

Reagan: 42/48 (August 1982)

Bush I: 75/16 (August 1990)

Clinton: 41/50 (August 1994)

Bush II: 67/27 (August 2002)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 01, 2010, 03:39:01 PM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, +2.

Disapprove 51%, -1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, +1.

If there there are out of range pro-Obama numbers tomorrow, there is probably a solid shift toward Obama.

If this happens, any idea why?

His address to the nation on the withdraw from Iraq happens tonight. Which is probably going to change this numbers for the better.

Edu, I have no idea why.

Those numbers were gathered basically, before the speech, so that can be ruled out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 01, 2010, 03:55:16 PM
This one is just amazing.  A recent Rasmussen poll gave an approval rating of 44% to President Obama in Alaska, so it is not entirely a fluke.   I don't think that a 45% approval rating in Alaska in April 2012 for Obama would translate into a bare win as it might in Pennsylvania; for obvious reasons he isn't going to campaign in Alaska. But the model has to have some rigidity or it devolves to seat-of-the-pants guesswork which isn't very useful on a large scale.

Alaska has gone only once for a Democratic nominee for President, and I find it hard to see the state going for Obama.  He's likely to get the First Peoples votes, but that won't be enough.  I don't see any good reason for Obama polling so well in Alaska; he hasn't been kissing up to the oil or timber industry.

The now-open Senate seat looks vulnerable for a Democratic takeover.  Tea Party candidates have often slipped badly after winning nomination. 


Alaska Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted August 31, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly

approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

   

    31% Strongly approve
    15% Somewhat approve
      7% Somewhat disapprove
    47% Strongly disapprove
      0% Not sure


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                   
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  156
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   49
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  135
white                        too close to call  23
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%    23
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  6
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    143 



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......









Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Capitan Zapp Brannigan on September 01, 2010, 04:19:11 PM
46% in Alaska from Rass, 44% from PPP and 40% from the NSRC pollster.

Incredible.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 01, 2010, 04:33:40 PM
46% in Alaska from Rass, 44% from PPP and 40% from the NSRC pollster.

Incredible.

Maybe not; these all might be in MOE.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Capitan Zapp Brannigan on September 01, 2010, 04:44:32 PM
46% in Alaska from Rass, 44% from PPP and 40% from the NSRC pollster.

Incredible.

Maybe not; these all might be in MOE.
I'm not talking about a trend there. I don't think Obama's going up at this point, I was just commenting on how you wouldn't think that his ratings would be in the 40s in Alaska. Even though he was competitive there in the election pre-Palin.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on September 01, 2010, 04:49:27 PM
46% in Alaska from Rass, 44% from PPP and 40% from the NSRC pollster.

Incredible.

Maybe not; these all might be in MOE.
I'm not talking about a trend there. I don't think Obama's going up at this point, I was just commenting on how you wouldn't think that his ratings would be in the 40s in Alaska. Even though he was competitive there in the election pre-Palin.

     Alaskans tend to be very independent-minded. Predicting what they will do next can be difficult.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 01, 2010, 05:03:36 PM
46% in Alaska from Rass, 44% from PPP and 40% from the NSRC pollster.

Incredible.

Maybe not; these all might be in MOE.

Obama got only 37.9% of the vote in Alaska, and it's hard to believe that the VP choice is worth more than about 4%.  Kerry got 35.5% of the vote there in 2004; Gore got 27.7% of the vote there in 2000 (but Ralph Nader got 10% of the vote),  so Alaska seems to be drifting D if recent polls are correct -- including the 40% approval. With respect to the rest of America?

Alaska has a large military presence, and the effects of the graceful pull-out of US combat forces in Iraq might have an effect analogous to what I recently saw in Georgia. Short of saying that the three polls have huge sampling errors, the most favorable view that the Alaska polls show toward the GOP is that the state itself is running contrary to the political norm. Otherwise this Rasmussen poll portends a disaster for the GOP.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 01, 2010, 05:08:07 PM
46% in Alaska from Rass, 44% from PPP and 40% from the NSRC pollster.

Incredible.

Maybe not; these all might be in MOE.

Obama got only 37.9% of the vote in Alaska, and it's hard to believe that the VP choice is worth more than about 4%.  Kerry got 35.5% of the vote there in 2004; Gore got 27.7% of the vote there in 2000 (but Ralph Nader got 10% of the vote),  so Alaska seems to be drifting D if recent polls are correct -- including the 40% approval. With respect to the rest of America?

Alaska has a large military presence, and the effects of the graceful pull-out of US combat forces in Iraq might have an effect analogous to what I recently saw in Georgia. Short of saying that the three polls have huge sampling errors, the most favorable view that the Alaska polls show toward the GOP is that the state itself is running contrary to the political norm. Otherwise this Rasmussen poll portends a disaster for the GOP.

I might interpret it as Obama appealing to more local issues.  Energy possibly?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on September 01, 2010, 05:48:57 PM
46% in Alaska from Rass, 44% from PPP and 40% from the NSRC pollster.

Incredible.

Maybe not; these all might be in MOE.

Obama got only 37.9% of the vote in Alaska, and it's hard to believe that the VP choice is worth more than about 4%.  Kerry got 35.5% of the vote there in 2004; Gore got 27.7% of the vote there in 2000 (but Ralph Nader got 10% of the vote),  so Alaska seems to be drifting D if recent polls are correct -- including the 40% approval. With respect to the rest of America?


Good findings here.  I hadn't noticed, but it could just be a trend toward Dems in Alaska over the long term.  That, along with the national unpopularity of a certain well-known Republican from the state, could be enough to hasten the movement towards Dems.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 02, 2010, 12:30:38 AM
GA (Insider Advantage): 35-64

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/24844214/detail.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 02, 2010, 03:45:48 AM
GA (Insider Advantage): 35-64

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/24844214/detail.html

Push poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on September 02, 2010, 08:23:58 AM
GA (Insider Advantage): 35-64

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/24844214/detail.html

Push poll.

(1) Insider Advantage may not be a huge name, but they are non-partisan
(2) That poll was conducted in conjunction with a television station
(3) I don't think you have any idea what a push poll even is
(4) You are ridiculous (in general) and most likely on a dangerous combination of cat drugs


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: GLPman on September 02, 2010, 08:38:59 AM
GA (Insider Advantage): 35-64

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/24844214/detail.html

Push poll.

(1) Insider Advantage may not be a huge name, but they are non-partisan
(2) That poll was conducted in conjunction with a television station
(3) I don't think you have any idea what a push poll even is
(4) You are ridiculous (in general) and most likely on a dangerous combination of cat drugs

He just doesn't want to change Georgia's color on that wonderful little map that he posts.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 02, 2010, 09:33:17 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, -1.

Disapprove 52%, +1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.

I'd still call it a shift to Obama, though not a huge one.  Unless there is big jump against him tomorrow, it is there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on September 02, 2010, 10:05:00 AM
PPP Ohio

41% Approve
54% Disapprove

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/09/portman-takes-lead.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on September 02, 2010, 10:06:54 AM
Ras: WA: 48/50
OH & GA


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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 02, 2010, 10:18:27 AM
Massachusetts State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted September 1, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

33% Strongly approve
23% Somewhat approve
  9% Somewhat disapprove
34% Strongly disapprove
  0% Not sure



Nevada State Survey of 750 Likely Voters

Conducted September 1, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

33% Strongly approve
15% Somewhat approve
  7% Somewhat disapprove
43% Strongly disapprove
  2% Not sure


(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  156
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   49
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  135
white                        too close to call  23
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%    23
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  6
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    143  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......









Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 02, 2010, 10:32:08 AM
Florida Survey of 750 Likely Voters

Conducted September 1, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

     

       29% Strongly approve
       18% Somewhat approve
         7% Somewhat disapprove
       47% Strongly disapprove
         1% Not sure
29+18+7+47+1=102%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on September 02, 2010, 10:52:32 AM
Florida Survey of 750 Likely Voters

Conducted September 1, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

     

       29% Strongly approve
       18% Somewhat approve
         7% Somewhat disapprove
       47% Strongly disapprove
         1% Not sure

Changes only a letter.

Washington State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 31, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

    31% Strongly approve
    17% Somewhat approve
      9% Somewhat disapprove
    41% Strongly disapprove
      2% Not sure

Changes nothing.

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                   
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  156
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   49
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  135
white                        too close to call  23
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%    23
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  6
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    143 



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......








[/quote]

Shouldn't WA be yellow?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on September 02, 2010, 10:53:12 AM

Rounding.

PS to Pbrower: You colored Washington wrong. Should be 30% yellow, according to your key.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on September 02, 2010, 10:59:03 AM
So only having 48% approval in WA means he is in the positives still on you map?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 02, 2010, 11:11:49 AM
Florida Survey of 750 Likely Voters

Conducted September 1, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

     

       29% Strongly approve
       18% Somewhat approve
         7% Somewhat disapprove
       47% Strongly disapprove
         1% Not sure

Changes only a letter.

Washington State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 31, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

    31% Strongly approve
    17% Somewhat approve
      9% Somewhat disapprove
    41% Strongly disapprove
      2% Not sure

Changes nothing.

(
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                   
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  156
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   49
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  135
white                        too close to call  23
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%    23
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  6
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    143 



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......









Shouldn't WA be yellow?
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Yes. Corrected.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 02, 2010, 12:18:59 PM
We appear to be going in circles with the approval ratings by state - considering:

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^ PB's results exactly one month ago.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 02, 2010, 03:31:41 PM
We appear to be going in circles with the approval ratings by state - considering:

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^ PB's results exactly one month ago.


It's when we aren't going around in circles that things are really different. Should the economy tank between now and November we would see that in the polls. Should President Obama get credit for extricating combat forces from Iraq, then we should see that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on September 02, 2010, 04:07:44 PM
So only having 48% approval in WA means he is in the positives still on you map?

You're clearly forgetting the rule of adding 6 to Democratic candidate numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on September 02, 2010, 04:16:49 PM
So only having 48% approval in WA means he is in the positives still on you map?

You're clearly forgetting the rule of adding 6 to Democratic candidate numbers.
And probably another 10 due to the age wave, then at the very least 5 because Obama's ability to utilize the Seatle-Tacoma air hub, so if anything WA should be dark green and will obviously go 70%+ dem in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: feeblepizza on September 02, 2010, 07:49:44 PM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

Average approval - 46.4%

Average disapproval - 47.8%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 03, 2010, 12:20:09 AM
So only having 48% approval in WA means he is in the positives still on you map?

You're clearly forgetting the rule of adding 6 to Democratic candidate numbers.
And probably another 10 due to the age wave, then at the very least 5 because Obama's ability to utilize the Seatle-Tacoma air hub, so if anything WA should be dark green and will obviously go 70%+ dem in 2012.

The predictive system that I use assumes that the incumbent President seeking re-election will add about six percent to his vote share if he actually campaigns in a state and has an effective campaign apparatus in the state, as if he were running for Governor or Senator, and not at all  if he doesn't.

44% is roughly the break-even point for the average campaigner, and I assume that President Obama will be only "average" -- as the model dictates. I also recognize that he will be selective in his campaign appearances, and that if his statewide approval ratings are like this in April 2012:

Tennessee 39%
South Carolina 40%
Indiana 41%
Colorado 42%
North Carolina 43%
Florida 44%   
Virginia 45%
Ohio 46%
Pennsylvania 47%
New Jersey 48%
Iowa 49%
Michigan 50%
Oregon 51%
Minnesota 52%
Connecticut 53%
California 54%
Massachusetts 54%
New York 55%

Nate Silver postulated that a President whose approval rating of 44% nationwide going into the Presidential election had about a 50% chance of winning. 

My system suggests that he and his campaign apparatus would apply his political resources (formal and informal campaign appearances, especially time; advertising budget for media ads, and GOTV efforts) where those could do him the most good. I assume that he is not going to make the quixotic effort to win over Tennessee this time, and he is not going to try to pile up votes in New York when efforts in Florida and Virginia make a difference between winning and losing. Knowing that he could lose Pennsylvania for lack of attention, he will campaign there,  and I figure that he would shore up support in New Jersey, Iowa, Michigan, and Oregon until he is reasonably sure of winning re-election.  Indiana and Colorado look like possibilities until they show otherwise.

It assumes very rigidly that a 45% approval in North Dakota (3 electoral votes) and a 45% approval in Ohio (18 electoral votes) mean the same thing; obviously they don't. He may figure that 45% is an absolute maximum in North Dakota because the state is politically unmovable and that 45%  in Ohio is more movable because the state is less homogeneous. Above all, Ohio can make or break an election, and North Dakota can't. The ratio of effort to reward matters greatly, but this system does not show that.   It also fails to predict how the opponent would show particular strengths or weaknesses. Political culture matters greatly.

It also assumes the absence of a strong independent or third-party candidate who might draw significant votes away from the Republican and Democratic candidates. Such is the monkey wrench thrown carelessly into a precision machine, in which case head-to-head contests are significant. I can't predict how a Ross Perot-type would do in 2012. It also allows for spectacular success and abject failure.  President Obama can still blunder his way into a loss of his bid for re-election, and events can make a fool of him. It also makes no allowances for local issues that make or break a candidacy for re-election.     


... The system would work just the same had we had an incumbent Republican (let us say Mike Huckabee or Mitt Romney) who had been elected President, or some other Democrat (Hillary Clinton) in some alternate universe. Do you question that if Mitt Romney were in trouble in Michigan in 2012 and needed the state  that he wouldn't push a "Cash for Clunkers" program? Do you have any doubt that if Mike Huckabee absolutely had to win Florida to win re-election in 2012 and had an approval rating of 47% in the state that he wouldn't do some campaigning there?

The Presidential election is not a monolithic effort to win votes. The 2000 election establishes that the States, and not the People, elect the President. It is fifty statewide races, one for the District of Columbia (a very rigid vote), and five races for the electoral votes of five Congressional seats in Maine and Nebraska. To be sure it is conceivable that the Interstate Compact could kick in  (in which enough states so decide to assign their electoral votes on the basis of the nationwide popular vote) or more states divide their electoral votes as do Maine and Nebraska, in which the predictive value that my system claims falls apart.     



   

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on September 03, 2010, 07:48:27 AM
Nate Silver postulated that a President whose approval rating of 44% nationwide going into the Presidential election had about a 50% chance of winning.

Jesus, will you stop saying this? It's blatantly false. Nate Silver never said this.

Nate Silver postulated that an incumbent who polls in head-to-head matchups at 44% had a 50% chance of winning. The phrase here is head-to-head, which is, of course, not what approval ratings are.

I have no trouble with you creating a model for the 2012 election from these approvals, even though I think it's clearly inaccurate (I mean, look at it). What I have trouble with is you saying that this method comes from Nate Silver. It does not, and it never will. This model is all pbrower2a, and carries absolutely no statistical or intellectual backing from Nate Silver.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 03, 2010, 08:37:05 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 44%, -3.

Disapprove 55%, +3.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.

While there is a bounce back, those disapproval numbers are off the high.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 03, 2010, 12:31:27 PM

Approve 44%, -3.

Disapprove 55%, +3.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.

While there is a bounce back, those disapproval numbers are off the high.

I'm gonna call a bad poll on that.  +3 Dissaproval is rather odd.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on September 03, 2010, 12:39:49 PM

Approve 44%, -3.

Disapprove 55%, +3.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.

While there is a bounce back, those disapproval numbers are off the high.

I'm gonna call a bad poll on that.  +3 Dissaproval is rather odd.

No it isn't, but of course Democratics think anything that shows them in trouble is odd, because they are to stupid to know that the avg america don't like what the Democrats and Obama are doing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: xavier110 on September 03, 2010, 12:42:05 PM

Approve 44%, -3.

Disapprove 55%, +3.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.

While there is a bounce back, those disapproval numbers are off the high.

I'm gonna call a bad poll on that.  +3 Dissaproval is rather odd.

No it isn't, but of course Democratics think anything that shows them in trouble is odd, because they are to stupid to know that the avg america don't like what the Democrats and Obama are doing.

Thanks, I didn't know this! Plus it's "too" stupid, but that's okay.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 03, 2010, 12:47:46 PM
Florida Survey of 750 Likely Voters

Conducted September 1, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

     

       29% Strongly approve
       18% Somewhat approve
         7% Somewhat disapprove
       47% Strongly disapprove
         1% Not sure
29+18+7+47+1=102%

Rounding error.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 03, 2010, 12:50:00 PM

Approve 44%, -3.

Disapprove 55%, +3.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.

While there is a bounce back, those disapproval numbers are off the high.

I'm gonna call a bad poll on that.  +3 Dissaproval is rather odd.

No it isn't, but of course Democratics think anything that shows them in trouble is odd, because they are to stupid to know that the avg america don't like what the Democrats and Obama are doing.

+3 disapproval since the last poll is rather odd considering President Obama has done literally nothing self destructive in the last few days - unless this is related to Hurricane Earl or that new oil rig explosion, then I could see it.

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Rounding error.

Windows calculator begs to differ.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 03, 2010, 12:50:26 PM
The infamous dark brown shade appears again:


Idaho Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted August 31, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

    18% Strongly approve
    11% Somewhat approve
    10% Somewhat disapprove
    61% Strongly disapprove
      0% Not sure

But this is just as much to be expected:

New York State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted September 1, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

41% Strongly approve
20% Somewhat approve
  6% Somewhat disapprove
32% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  156
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   49
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  135
white                        too close to call  23
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%    23
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  6
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    143  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 03, 2010, 01:00:50 PM

Approve 44%, -3.

Disapprove 55%, +3.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.

While there is a bounce back, those disapproval numbers are off the high.

I'm gonna call a bad poll on that.  +3 Dissaproval is rather odd.

No it isn't, but of course Democratics think anything that shows them in trouble is odd, because they are to stupid to know that the avg america don't like what the Democrats and Obama are doing.

+3 disapproval since the last poll is rather odd considering President Obama has done literally nothing self destructive in the last few days - unless this is related to Hurricane Earl or that new oil rig explosion, then I could see it.

The news cycle. If the 2012 Presidential election is really close, then the events of the previous day might be all the difference in the world. The long term is harder to discern than is the short term.

Should Hurricane Earl be as strong a storm as Hurricane Katrina was, then I expect a better response from the local officials. New England, Long Island, and coastal North Carolina and Virginia are all very different in their politics from New Orleans.  

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Rounding error.

Windows calculator begs to differ.


28.6% + 17.6% + 6.6% + 46.6% + 0.6% = 100%.

Unlikely, but possible, but every .6 would be rounded up. Every rounding introduces an error of imprecision, but the errors usually cancel each other out in a final rounding of a total. Not this time, though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on September 03, 2010, 01:01:20 PM

Approve 44%, -3.

Disapprove 55%, +3.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.

While there is a bounce back, those disapproval numbers are off the high.

I'm gonna call a bad poll on that.  +3 Dissaproval is rather odd.

No it isn't, but of course Democratics think anything that shows them in trouble is odd, because they are to stupid to know that the avg america don't like what the Democrats and Obama are doing.

+3 disapproval since the last poll is rather odd considering President Obama has done literally nothing self destructive in the last few days - unless this is related to Hurricane Earl or that new oil rig explosion, then I could see it.

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Rounding error.

Windows calculator begs to differ.


No all it means it a really good Obama sample is moving out of the poll window dates.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 03, 2010, 01:08:51 PM

Approve 44%, -3.

Disapprove 55%, +3.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.

While there is a bounce back, those disapproval numbers are off the high.

I'm gonna call a bad poll on that.  +3 Dissaproval is rather odd.

No it isn't, but of course Democratics think anything that shows them in trouble is odd, because they are to stupid to know that the avg america don't like what the Democrats and Obama are doing.

+3 disapproval since the last poll is rather odd considering President Obama has done literally nothing self destructive in the last few days - unless this is related to Hurricane Earl or that new oil rig explosion, then I could see it.

Quote

Rounding error.

Windows calculator begs to differ.


No all it means it a really good Obama sample is moving out of the poll window dates.

We can argue Good Obama and Bad Obama samples all day.

Pb's results are to be expected. I was rather surprised that Idaho hadn't gone brown yet. I'm guessing Oklahoma is up next.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on September 03, 2010, 01:43:28 PM

Approve 44%, -3.

Disapprove 55%, +3.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.

While there is a bounce back, those disapproval numbers are off the high.

I'm gonna call a bad poll on that.  +3 Dissaproval is rather odd.

No it isn't, but of course Democratics think anything that shows them in trouble is odd, because they are to stupid to know that the avg america don't like what the Democrats and Obama are doing.

Is that why Democrats in congress have a higher approval than Republicans?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 03, 2010, 03:44:03 PM
Because seeing the letter on one of the states in dark-brown shades is difficult, I am going to change the color to a near-black red:




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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  156
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   49
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  135
white                        too close to call  23
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%    23
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  6
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    143  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......

Same meaning, but it even looks better (esthetically, if not politically).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 03, 2010, 03:46:44 PM

......

Same meaning, but it even looks better (esthetically, if not politically).

Ah yes! Much better. Although I think your electoral predictions are a bit basic..


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 03, 2010, 03:53:16 PM

Approve 44%, -3.

Disapprove 55%, +3.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.

While there is a bounce back, those disapproval numbers are off the high.

I'm gonna call a bad poll on that.  +3 Dissaproval is rather odd.

I don't think so,  Phrasing perhaps.  Obama's disapproval numbers have been higher, 56%-58%.  55% is not bad for him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 03, 2010, 04:26:32 PM

Approve 44%, -3.

Disapprove 55%, +3.


"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.

While there is a bounce back, those disapproval numbers are off the high.

I'm gonna call a bad poll on that.  +3 Dissaproval is rather odd.

I don't think so,  Phrasing perhaps.  Obama's disapproval numbers have been higher, 56%-58%.  55% is not bad for him.

Yes, but wasn't he's approval like 52 just in the last poll? I'm just saying I don't know what could've caused such a spike..


Anyways, I'm going to start making daily/weekly 2012 Predictions.

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Core Obama States: 10% Margin of Victory
Safe Obama States: 5% Margin of Victory
Leaning Obama States: 1-3% Margin of Victory
Toss Up/To Close to Call
Leaning Republican States: 1-3% Margin of Victory
Safe Republican States: 5% Margin of Victory
Core Republican States: 10% Margin of Victory


It should be noted that this assumes that a moderate republican will get nominated.

RESULT IF HELD ON SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2010:

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Obama/Biden: 325

Republican: 213

It's important to remember that the results of the 2012 election will rely on not only Obama's Approval ratings, but also the performance of the Republican Congress through 2011-2012, and the nominated candidate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 03, 2010, 04:56:02 PM

......

Same meaning, but it even looks better (esthetically, if not politically).

Ah yes! Much better. Although I think your electoral predictions are a bit basic..

The rules are rigid, but they must be to be reasonable. Most reasonable polls, which is now down to Rasmussen and Quinnipiac. PPP seems to have gone over-cautious on the R side, apparently because the left-wing Daily Kos has it and had trouble with its prior pollster for being too favorable to Democrats.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ConservativeIllini on September 03, 2010, 05:11:55 PM

......

Same meaning, but it even looks better (esthetically, if not politically).

Ah yes! Much better. Although I think your electoral predictions are a bit basic..

The rules are rigid, but they must be to be reasonable. Most reasonable polls, which is now down to Rasmussen and Quinnipiac. PPP seems to have gone over-cautious on the R side, apparently because the left-wing Daily Kos has it and had trouble with its prior pollster for being too favorable to Democrats.





Regarding PPP, the reasoning could be that it recently switched over to polling likely voters for the midterm elections as opposed to its normal registered voters (or perhaps its adults, not entirely sure).  Regardless, that's bound to favor Republicans in a year such as this in which the R base is fired up to vote. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on September 03, 2010, 07:18:32 PM
Great, another hack making maps.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fritz on September 03, 2010, 08:12:37 PM
It's important to remember that the results of the 2012 election will rely on not only Obama's Approval ratings, but also the performance of the Republican Congress through 2011-2012, and the nominated candidate.

It's a tad bit premature to be calling the Congress of 2011-2012 "Republican".


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 04, 2010, 04:27:35 AM
It's important to remember that the results of the 2012 election will rely on not only Obama's Approval ratings, but also the performance of the Republican Congress through 2011-2012, and the nominated candidate.

It's a tad bit premature to be calling the Congress of 2011-2012 "Republican".

Not really, it's becoming increasingly obvious. Perhaps I should've phrased it better though - the Republican House. The Senate will be a different story, but it could just as easy to call it Republican.


OK, if your definition of hack is not showing a republican landslide in 2012, then by all means, I am a hack. I'm sorry, but I'm going by polls here, not some arbitrary libertarian dream that Obama is Black Carter.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 04, 2010, 08:39:39 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 42%, -2.

Disapprove 56%, +1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, +2.

Fairly substantial drop over the last two days.  It could be a bad sample (anti-Obama).  Overall, this are at the low end of the Obama range over the summer, but still within range.

With the holiday, we could see what the late week numbers look like.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 04, 2010, 10:37:08 AM
Except numbers to go up next week, he's unveiling another economic recovery package.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on September 04, 2010, 11:14:50 AM
Except numbers to go up next week, he's unveiling another economic recovery package.



I doubt. people don"t trust Obama anymore. It's the second time that Obama is strongly down after a speech.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: exopolitician on September 04, 2010, 11:18:24 AM
Except numbers to go up next week, he's unveiling another economic recovery package.



I doubt. people don"t trust Obama anymore. It's the second time that Obama is strongly down after a speech.

It's the poor economic numbers that have come out that are hurting him, his speech isn't going to help him out so much. I can see his numbers start to rebound once he does his tour and announces this new "recovery package".


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on September 04, 2010, 11:27:49 AM
Except numbers to go up next week, he's unveiling another economic recovery package.



I doubt. people don"t trust Obama anymore. It's the second time that Obama is strongly down after a speech.

It's the poor economic numbers that have come out that are hurting him, his speech isn't going to help him out so much. I can see his numbers start to rebound once he does his tour and announces this new "recovery package".

What makes you so sure that after his last "recovery package", voters are going to give him the benefit of the doubt?  I for one think that anything he says now is purely political in nature and will almost certainly not be directed at the midterms rather than actually creating a recovery.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 04, 2010, 11:30:44 AM
Except numbers to go up next week, he's unveiling another economic recovery package.



I doubt. people don"t trust Obama anymore. It's the second time that Obama is strongly down after a speech.

It's the poor economic numbers that have come out that are hurting him, his speech isn't going to help him out so much. I can see his numbers start to rebound once he does his tour and announces this new "recovery package".

What makes you so sure that after his last "recovery package", voters are going to give him the benefit of the doubt?  I for one think that anything he says now is purely political in nature and will almost certainly not be directed at the midterms rather than actually creating a recovery.

People aren't just going to arbitrarily hate Obama because he announces a recovery package. The GOP will, but normal voters are going to welcome it. People are pissed at him because he has been focusing on Health Care and the war and not paying much attention to the economy. His numbers were through the roof when the stimulus packages were signed. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on September 04, 2010, 11:36:19 AM
Except numbers to go up next week, he's unveiling another economic recovery package.



I doubt. people don"t trust Obama anymore. It's the second time that Obama is strongly down after a speech.

It's the poor economic numbers that have come out that are hurting him, his speech isn't going to help him out so much. I can see his numbers start to rebound once he does his tour and announces this new "recovery package".

What makes you so sure that after his last "recovery package", voters are going to give him the benefit of the doubt?  I for one think that anything he says now is purely political in nature and will almost certainly not be directed at the midterms rather than actually creating a recovery.

People aren't just going to arbitrarily hate Obama because he announces a recovery package. The GOP will, but normal voters are going to welcome it. People are pissed at him because he has been focusing on Health Care and the war and not paying much attention to the economy. His numbers were through the roof when the stimulus packages were signed. 

What the "normal voters" want is not another failed stimulus package that will coast us billions of dollars that we don't have to spend. What they want is for Obama to keep the Bush tax cuts for the time being and for the Government to stop spending money we don't have.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: exopolitician on September 04, 2010, 11:44:00 AM
Except numbers to go up next week, he's unveiling another economic recovery package.



I doubt. people don"t trust Obama anymore. It's the second time that Obama is strongly down after a speech.

It's the poor economic numbers that have come out that are hurting him, his speech isn't going to help him out so much. I can see his numbers start to rebound once he does his tour and announces this new "recovery package".

What makes you so sure that after his last "recovery package", voters are going to give him the benefit of the doubt?  I for one think that anything he says now is purely political in nature and will almost certainly not be directed at the midterms rather than actually creating a recovery.

People aren't just going to arbitrarily hate Obama because he announces a recovery package. The GOP will, but normal voters are going to welcome it. People are pissed at him because he has been focusing on Health Care and the war and not paying much attention to the economy. His numbers were through the roof when the stimulus packages were signed.  

What the "normal voters" want is not another failed stimulus package that will coast us billions of dollars that we don't have to spend. What they want is for Obama to keep the Bush tax cuts for the time being and for the Government to stop spending money we don't have.

The stimulus actually helped quite a lot, just not enough. The idea is good, there just wasn't enough added to actually help in the long run. People are actually starting to see that, though Republicans will continue to deny it and filibuster any chance of some recovery taking the floor.  For the record, whatever you posted isn't necessarily what "normal voters" want, it's what you want.

Except numbers to go up next week, he's unveiling another economic recovery package.



I doubt. people don"t trust Obama anymore. It's the second time that Obama is strongly down after a speech.

It's the poor economic numbers that have come out that are hurting him, his speech isn't going to help him out so much. I can see his numbers start to rebound once he does his tour and announces this new "recovery package".

What makes you so sure that after his last "recovery package", voters are going to give him the benefit of the doubt?  I for one think that anything he says now is purely political in nature and will almost certainly not be directed at the midterms rather than actually creating a recovery.

Even if he pushes some kind of recovery through Congress, it wouldn't be enough to take effect before the midterms and give him any kind of bounce.

Also, The same can be said about Republicans filibustering everything thrown at them due to midterms...rather than actually creating some kind of recovery. It's can be two sided.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 04, 2010, 11:49:08 AM
Except numbers to go up next week, he's unveiling another economic recovery package.



I doubt. people don"t trust Obama anymore. It's the second time that Obama is strongly down after a speech.

It's the poor economic numbers that have come out that are hurting him, his speech isn't going to help him out so much. I can see his numbers start to rebound once he does his tour and announces this new "recovery package".

What makes you so sure that after his last "recovery package", voters are going to give him the benefit of the doubt?  I for one think that anything he says now is purely political in nature and will almost certainly not be directed at the midterms rather than actually creating a recovery.

People aren't just going to arbitrarily hate Obama because he announces a recovery package. The GOP will, but normal voters are going to welcome it. People are pissed at him because he has been focusing on Health Care and the war and not paying much attention to the economy. His numbers were through the roof when the stimulus packages were signed. 

What the "normal voters" want is not another failed stimulus package that will coast us billions of dollars that we don't have to spend. What they want is for Obama to keep the Bush tax cuts for the time being and for the Government to stop spending money we don't have.

 "WERE RUNNING OUT OF MONEY! QUICK, LOWER TAXES!!!"


Can you offer some polling as to deduce what the "normal/independent voters" want? As MK ULTRA said, it's what you want, not what independent voters want.

Except GOP approval to drop drastically once he starts his tour, and Indy and Dem votes to increase slightly.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 04, 2010, 12:24:20 PM


Can you offer some polling as to deduce what the "normal/independent voters" want? As MK ULTRA said, it's what you want, not what independent voters want.

Except GOP approval to drop drastically once he starts his tour, and Indy and Dem votes to increase slightly.



Quoted for truth.

We are not seeing other anything than Obama staying in a trough, at best.  I doubt, at this point, he will be able to move the numbers by shouting out "NEW STIMULUS," that cannot produce new changes in the next 59 days.

"Recovery Summer," was neither, in terms of either the economy nor Obama's poll numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on September 04, 2010, 12:28:25 PM
Except numbers to go up next week, he's unveiling another economic recovery package.



I doubt. people don"t trust Obama anymore. It's the second time that Obama is strongly down after a speech.

It's the poor economic numbers that have come out that are hurting him, his speech isn't going to help him out so much. I can see his numbers start to rebound once he does his tour and announces this new "recovery package".

What makes you so sure that after his last "recovery package", voters are going to give him the benefit of the doubt?  I for one think that anything he says now is purely political in nature and will almost certainly not be directed at the midterms rather than actually creating a recovery.

People aren't just going to arbitrarily hate Obama because he announces a recovery package. The GOP will, but normal voters are going to welcome it. People are pissed at him because he has been focusing on Health Care and the war and not paying much attention to the economy. His numbers were through the roof when the stimulus packages were signed. 

What the "normal voters" want is not another failed stimulus package that will coast us billions of dollars that we don't have to spend. What they want is for Obama to keep the Bush tax cuts for the time being and for the Government to stop spending money we don't have.

 "WERE RUNNING OUT OF MONEY! QUICK, LOWER TAXES!!!"


Can you offer some polling as to deduce what the "normal/independent voters" want? As MK ULTRA said, it's what you want, not what independent voters want.

Except GOP approval to drop drastically once he starts his tour, and Indy and Dem votes to increase slightly.



Independent voters prefer tax cuts to spending. A new stimulus will be very unpopular. the next marketing operation (recovery package) will be a flop. People are not stupid.

My opinion is that Obama will not save the house. And when he speaks, gop chances improve.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on September 04, 2010, 01:03:20 PM
Gallup: 43/49


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on September 04, 2010, 06:54:53 PM
People aren't just going to arbitrarily hate Obama because he announces a recovery package. The GOP will, but normal voters are going to welcome it. People are pissed at him because he has been focusing on Health Care and the war and not paying much attention to the economy. His numbers were through the roof when the stimulus packages were signed. 

No, I mean that I don't think Voters are going to leap out of their seats saying "Oh Wow!  We don't think the first one worked, but this time I'm sure Obama knows what he's doing".  It won't help his approval rating to simply announce that he's going to start doing something on the economy; voters are going to bee more skeptical than that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on September 05, 2010, 04:31:08 AM

The One has lost his aura...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 05, 2010, 07:03:58 AM
NC (PPP): 43-54


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 05, 2010, 08:43:22 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 42%, u.

Disapprove 57%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 47%, +2.

This marks Obama's highest Strongly Disapprove number.  It is possibly just an overly anti-Obama sample moving through the numbers.

One thing to watch for is if his Strongly Disapprove numbers are higher than his overall Approve numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 05, 2010, 09:24:56 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 42%, u.

Disapprove 57%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 47%, +2.

This marks Obama's highest Strongly Disapprove number.  It is possibly just an overly anti-Obama sample moving through the numbers.

One thing to watch for is if his Strongly Disapprove numbers are higher than his overall Approve numbers.


Now I don't mean to rain on the Conservative Parade, but this is clearly a bad Obama sample...



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: sentinel on September 05, 2010, 09:58:57 AM
Maybe a new local water commissioner would turn those frowns upside-down...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 05, 2010, 10:02:37 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 42%, u.

Disapprove 57%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 47%, +2.

This marks Obama's highest Strongly Disapprove number.  It is possibly just an overly anti-Obama sample moving through the numbers.

One thing to watch for is if his Strongly Disapprove numbers are higher than his overall Approve numbers.


Now I don't mean to rain on the Conservative Parade, but this is clearly a bad Obama sample...



It may not be.  These numbers, while bad, are in range.

Obama's numbers were up for about a week on Rasmussen, 8/27-9/2.  It looked like there could be movement.  It may not be.  The current numbers are within 3 points of 8/26.

We won't know if this is a good sample or a bad sample until later in the week.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on September 05, 2010, 10:05:05 AM
Except numbers to go up next week, he's unveiling another economic recovery package.



Oh! Great news! Lets spend some more.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 05, 2010, 10:30:22 AM
Except numbers to go up next week, he's unveiling another economic recovery package.



Oh! Great news! Lets spend some more.

Independant voters are not conservatives, as much as you want that to be true. They aren't going to care how the economy is fixed, just that Obama is focusing on it again. His numbers have been bad because he was focusing on health care for a year, rather than setting up new jobs and trying to fix the economy.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on September 05, 2010, 10:31:43 AM
Except numbers to go up next week, he's unveiling another economic recovery package.



Oh! Great news! Lets spend some more.

Independant voters are not conservatives, as much as you want that to be true. They aren't going to care how the economy is fixed, just that Obama is focusing on it again. His numbers have been bad because he was focusing on health care for a year, rather than setting up new jobs and trying to fix the economy.

Guess you'll find out in a few weeks, huh?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on September 05, 2010, 12:06:48 PM
Except numbers to go up next week, he's unveiling another economic recovery package.



Oh! Great news! Lets spend some more.

Independant voters are not conservatives, as much as you want that to be true. They aren't going to care how the economy is fixed, just that Obama is focusing on it again. His numbers have been bad because he was focusing on health care for a year, rather than setting up new jobs and trying to fix the economy.

you are naive... People are not so stupid...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on September 05, 2010, 02:33:32 PM
Yeah, I have trouble believing that 47% of voters strongly disapprove of Obama. That would mean that he could never win any of them back, barring unforseen events. That would give Obama a ceiling of about 53% according to the Rassmussen poll, and that would presume that in order to win re-election he needs to convince a great number of people who currently disapprove of him. At this point in time, I have difficulty accepting that.

PS: Scifiguy, Kentucky as a tossup?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 05, 2010, 03:10:21 PM
Yeah, I have trouble believing that 47% of voters strongly disapprove of Obama. That would mean that he could never win any of them back, barring unforseen events. That would give Obama a ceiling of about 53% according to the Rassmussen poll, and that would presume that in order to win re-election he needs to convince a great number of people who currently disapprove of him. At this point in time, I have difficulty accepting that.

PS: Scifiguy, Kentucky as a tossup?

There is fluctuation, but it has been higher in June. 

The numbers, generally, have been in the mid 40's all year.

We won't know if this is a bad sample until the end of the week.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: TheDeadFlagBlues on September 05, 2010, 03:21:37 PM
It's Labor Day weekend...

Why would anyone trust polling right now?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on September 05, 2010, 05:08:45 PM
Yeah, I have trouble believing that 47% of voters strongly disapprove of Obama. That would mean that he could never win any of them back, barring unforseen events. That would give Obama a ceiling of about 53% according to the Rassmussen poll, and that would presume that in order to win re-election he needs to convince a great number of people who currently disapprove of him. At this point in time, I have difficulty accepting that.

PS: Scifiguy, Kentucky as a tossup?

This is probably on the higher end of the range, but it's not hard to believe that about 45% of the population is not going to vote for Obama in 2012 under any circumstances. America is a pretty polarized country right now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 05, 2010, 08:52:52 PM

It would likely go GOP, it would be close though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on September 05, 2010, 09:43:39 PM
Unless Obama's opponent is Basil Marceaux-Dot-Com then Kentucky is Safe GOP, even with Marceaux-Dot-Com it would lean GOP.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 06, 2010, 12:54:07 AM
It's Labor Day weekend...

Why would anyone trust polling right now?

Most of what we are looking at is from before the holiday.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 06, 2010, 12:58:24 AM
Gallup

45 +2
48 -1


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 06, 2010, 10:08:03 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, +3.

Disapprove 54%, -3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 46%, -1.

If this was a bad sample, it should start passing tomorrow.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on September 06, 2010, 01:46:13 PM
Gallup: 44/49

It has been more stable than Rasmussen recently.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 06, 2010, 02:48:41 PM
Gallup: 44/49

It has been more stable than Rasmussen recently.

Just over the last 3-4 days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: TheDeadFlagBlues on September 06, 2010, 03:06:41 PM
It's Labor Day weekend polling...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 06, 2010, 03:08:47 PM
PPP seems to have worked the bugs out, so I am going to accept its most recent poll for North Carolina.

  Nebraska State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted September 2, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

18% Strongly approve
17% Somewhat approve
10% Somewhat disapprove
51% Strongly disapprove
  3% Not sure




(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  156
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   49
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  135
white                        too close to call  8
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   38
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  6
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    143  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 06, 2010, 03:11:58 PM
Shouldn't North Carolina be Leaning GOP?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 06, 2010, 03:18:18 PM
Shouldn't North Carolina be Leaning GOP?

Yes. Corrected, thank you.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on September 07, 2010, 01:58:58 AM
Even the Washington Post/ABC News has him at 46/52 now!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 07, 2010, 03:33:37 AM
Even the Washington Post/ABC News has him at 46/52 now!

OH NOESSSSS


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 07, 2010, 09:19:14 AM
Delaware State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted September 2, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

30% Strongly approve
20% Somewhat approve
  7% Somewhat disapprove
43% Strongly disapprove
  0% Not sure

California State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted September 6, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

       36% Strongly approve
       19% Somewhat approve
         6% Somewhat disapprove
       37% Strongly disapprove
         1% Not sure




(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  153
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   52
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  135
white                        too close to call  8
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   38
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  6
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    143  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 07, 2010, 09:34:11 AM
You should colour DE white, it´s a 50-50 tie.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on September 07, 2010, 10:42:22 AM
DE, NE, & NC

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 07, 2010, 02:35:45 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, u.

Disapprove 55%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on September 07, 2010, 03:21:07 PM
CA Rasmussen, no change.

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 07, 2010, 03:29:02 PM
You should colour DE white, it´s a 50-50 tie.

The notion that the GOP has the ability to challenge Delaware is hilarious.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on September 07, 2010, 04:04:39 PM
You should colour DE white, it´s a 50-50 tie.

The notion that the GOP has the ability to challenge Delaware is hilarious.
Coloring white for a tie has nothing to do with Obama vs a GOPer in 2012, its simply meaning his approval/disapproval is tied at the moment.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 07, 2010, 04:07:23 PM
Gallup:  46/47


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on September 07, 2010, 04:11:44 PM
New Jersey is 50-50, don't know the strong/weak approval breakdown:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/new_jersey/57_in_new_jersey_approve_of_governor_s_job_performance


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on September 07, 2010, 04:16:54 PM
New Jersey, still tied.

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 07, 2010, 04:32:33 PM
You should colour DE white, it´s a 50-50 tie.

The notion that the GOP has the ability to challenge Delaware is hilarious.
Coloring white for a tie has nothing to do with Obama vs a GOPer in 2012, its simply meaning his approval/disapproval is tied at the moment.

Ohhhh.... I thought he was talking about Pbrower's 2012 prediction.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 07, 2010, 04:38:40 PM
New Jersey, still tied.

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

If that would translate into the election, Obama might not break 205 EV's (redistricting is a factor).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on September 07, 2010, 04:53:43 PM
You should colour DE white, it´s a 50-50 tie.

The notion that the GOP has the ability to challenge Delaware is hilarious.
Coloring white for a tie has nothing to do with Obama vs a GOPer in 2012, its simply meaning his approval/disapproval is tied at the moment.

Ohhhh.... I thought he was talking about Pbrower's 2012 prediction.
lol, just ignore Pbrower's prediction map. Its just his wet dreams for Obama's re-election, he has it as currently favoring an Obama win in Alaska lol...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 07, 2010, 05:21:11 PM
You should colour DE white, it´s a 50-50 tie.

The notion that the GOP has the ability to challenge Delaware is hilarious.
Coloring white for a tie has nothing to do with Obama vs a GOPer in 2012, its simply meaning his approval/disapproval is tied at the moment.

White is for a tie under 50%. Look carefully at my rules. Any changes that I have made are either to add information or to change the general appearance. Others would violate consistency, and I am not doing so now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 07, 2010, 06:49:37 PM
You should colour DE white, it´s a 50-50 tie.

The notion that the GOP has the ability to challenge Delaware is hilarious.
Coloring white for a tie has nothing to do with Obama vs a GOPer in 2012, its simply meaning his approval/disapproval is tied at the moment.

Ohhhh.... I thought he was talking about Pbrower's 2012 prediction.
lol, just ignore Pbrower's prediction map. Its just his wet dreams for Obama's re-election, he has it as currently favoring an Obama win in Alaska lol...

Oh god I can't wait until you see the Obama landslide on Election Night 2012. Find a GOP candidate who can campaign as charismatically and is as likable as Barack Obama and get back to me.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on September 07, 2010, 06:51:37 PM
If that would translate into the election, Obama might not break 205 EV's (redistricting is a factor).

Except that can't translate into an election - Obama won't be winning New Mexico while losing Minnesota and Washington, for example.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl on September 07, 2010, 06:54:39 PM
If that would translate into the election, Obama might not break 205 EV's (redistricting is a factor).

Except that can't translate into an election - Obama won't be winning New Mexico while losing Minnesota and Washington, for example.

There's no rule that says that can't happen.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 07, 2010, 06:57:13 PM
If that would translate into the election, Obama might not break 205 EV's (redistricting is a factor).

Except that can't translate into an election - Obama won't be winning New Mexico while losing Minnesota and Washington, for example.

Exactly. Obama could continue to fail as a President and he can still win re-election. The approval ratings effect the result somewhat, but the result is primarily decided by the campaign and debates. And Obama is, to be honest, the most charismatic President since Reagan. You cannot tell me with a straight face that Newt Gingrich will break 200 EV's in 2012 if he is the nominee.

If that would translate into the election, Obama might not break 205 EV's (redistricting is a factor).

Except that can't translate into an election - Obama won't be winning New Mexico while losing Minnesota and Washington, for example.

There's no rule that says that can't happen.

Actually there is. It's the fact that Washington and Minnesota are exceptionally liberal states and the GOP is exceptionally conservative.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on September 07, 2010, 07:17:49 PM
Oh god I can't wait until you see the Obama landslide on Election Night 2012. Find a GOP candidate who can campaign as charismatically and is as likable as Barack Obama and get back to me.

I'm not saying Obama won't get re-elected, but don't expect some epic 49 state sweep like Reagan in 1984. It is pointless to make predictions until we see
1) who the GOP nominee is and to a lessor extent the minor parties nominees;
2) The Un-employment numbers going into fall 2012; and
3) The situation in Afghanistan by 2012.

That being said, I do feel pretty confident with the following prediction: Indiana will not vote Obama twice and the GOP will Keep Kentucky & Alaska. despite Pbrowers maps insisting those two states will be in play lol.









Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 07, 2010, 07:33:17 PM
Oh god I can't wait until you see the Obama landslide on Election Night 2012. Find a GOP candidate who can campaign as charismatically and is as likable as Barack Obama and get back to me.

I'm not saying Obama won't get re-elected, but don't expect some epic 49 state sweep like Reagan in 1984. It is pointless to make predictions until we see
1) who the GOP nominee is and to a lessor extent the minor parties nominees;
2) The Un-employment numbers going into fall 2012; and
3) The situation in Afghanistan by 2012.

That being said, I do feel pretty confident with the following prediction: Indiana will not vote Obama twice and the GOP will Keep Kentucky & Alaska. despite Pbrowers maps insisting those two states will be in play lol.

1) This is almost irrelevent by this point. The GOP's best hope is Mitch Daniels, but I still haven't seen any speeches by him, and I doubt he will even run.
2) This, this here is the killer. If Employment numbers are trending into double digits then it's going to get a bit contested.
3) He can still blame the war on Bush, as easy as that would be, but it would still work relatively well.

 Indiana will be in play, unless Daniels gets the nod. And I hardly expect a 1984, perhaps at the most a re-play of 1964 if someone exceptionally insane gets the nod. I think it'll go GOP unless we get Newt/Barbour/Palin as nominee. If N/B/P is the nominee, then you are looking at this:

N/B/P v. Obama

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on September 07, 2010, 07:56:43 PM
I think there's a good chance the Republicans will be reduced to Utah, Idaho and Wyoming. It's even possible they could lose Utah if they pick the wrong kind of candidate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bo on September 07, 2010, 08:01:35 PM
Oh god I can't wait until you see the Obama landslide on Election Night 2012. Find a GOP candidate who can campaign as charismatically and is as likable as Barack Obama and get back to me.

I'm not saying Obama won't get re-elected, but don't expect some epic 49 state sweep like Reagan in 1984. It is pointless to make predictions until we see
1) who the GOP nominee is and to a lessor extent the minor parties nominees;
2) The Un-employment numbers going into fall 2012; and
3) The situation in Afghanistan by 2012.

That being said, I do feel pretty confident with the following prediction: Indiana will not vote Obama twice and the GOP will Keep Kentucky & Alaska. despite Pbrowers maps insisting those two states will be in play lol.

1) This is almost irrelevent by this point. The GOP's best hope is Mitch Daniels, but I still haven't seen any speeches by him, and I doubt he will even run.
2) This, this here is the killer. If Employment numbers are trending into double digits then it's going to get a bit contested.
3) He can still blame the war on Bush, as easy as that would be, but it would still work relatively well.

 Indiana will be in play, unless Daniels gets the nod. And I hardly expect a 1984, perhaps at the most a re-play of 1964 if someone exceptionally insane gets the nod. I think it'll go GOP unless we get Newt/Barbour/Palin as nominee. If N/B/P is the nominee, then you are looking at this:

N/B/P v. Obama

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No way Obama wins TN, KY, and NE. Those states are just too conservative and anti-Obama for him to win there, regardless of who the GOP nominates. And high unemployment would probably hurt Obama in 2012 regardless of his opponent. I agree with you that Obama will win reelection, even though I'm no longer sure that he will win in a landslide. He could win with 290-330 EVs against someone competent like Mitch Daniels or John Thune.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on September 07, 2010, 08:04:15 PM
Quote
3) He can still blame the war on Bush, as easy as that would be, but it would still work relatively well.

Iraq he can blame entirely on Bush but Iraq is winding down anyways so won't matter as much, but pinning any downturns in Afghanistan on Bush will comeback to haunt him and give the GOP the ammo of saying "See, he blames everything on Bush!" wether or not they are justified in doing so, the Democrats have had control of congress for about 4 years the last 2 years of which they had huge majorities not seen for a long time, and the white house for approaching 2 years. It will be harder and harder to continue passing the blame on to the predecessor. It may have worked in 2008, but by 2012 I suspect voters will see the Dem's blaming Bush as a turn off.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 07, 2010, 08:22:44 PM
Quote
3) He can still blame the war on Bush, as easy as that would be, but it would still work relatively well.

Iraq he can blame entirely on Bush but Iraq is winding down anyways so won't matter as much, but pinning any downturns in Afghanistan on Bush will comeback to haunt him and give the GOP the ammo of saying "See, he blames everything on Bush!" wether or not they are justified in doing so, the Democrats have had control of congress for about 4 years the last 2 years of which they had huge majorities not seen for a long time, and the white house for approaching 2 years. It will be harder and harder to continue passing the blame on to the predecessor. It may have worked in 2008, but by 2012 I suspect voters will see the Dem's blaming Bush as a turn off.

The problem is that voters will still hate Bush in 2012, and Obama's approval will be divided, but will not in any way will the average voter see Obama as a failure. Right now there is not a single believable poll that shows the GOP more 'popular' than the Democrats. They are trending higher, but right now people just hate the Democrats - and are voting GOP because they have no choice.

And Kentucky/TN can go Dem, I believe, they are more likely to go Dem than the Deep South.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vepres on September 07, 2010, 08:34:45 PM
Quote
3) He can still blame the war on Bush, as easy as that would be, but it would still work relatively well.

Iraq he can blame entirely on Bush but Iraq is winding down anyways so won't matter as much, but pinning any downturns in Afghanistan on Bush will comeback to haunt him and give the GOP the ammo of saying "See, he blames everything on Bush!" wether or not they are justified in doing so, the Democrats have had control of congress for about 4 years the last 2 years of which they had huge majorities not seen for a long time, and the white house for approaching 2 years. It will be harder and harder to continue passing the blame on to the predecessor. It may have worked in 2008, but by 2012 I suspect voters will see the Dem's blaming Bush as a turn off.

The problem is that voters will still hate Bush in 2012, and Obama's approval will be divided, but will not in any way will the average voter see Obama as a failure. Right now there is not a single believable poll that shows the GOP more 'popular' than the Democrats. They are trending higher, but right now people just hate the Democrats - and are voting GOP because they have no choice.

And Kentucky/TN can go Dem, I believe, they are more likely to go Dem than the Deep South.

You have a point. One should realize that voter anger is at congressional Democrats, while they're lukewarm it seems on the President.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 07, 2010, 11:16:42 PM
Quote
3) He can still blame the war on Bush, as easy as that would be, but it would still work relatively well.

Iraq he can blame entirely on Bush but Iraq is winding down anyways so won't matter as much, but pinning any downturns in Afghanistan on Bush will comeback to haunt him and give the GOP the ammo of saying "See, he blames everything on Bush!" wether or not they are justified in doing so, the Democrats have had control of congress for about 4 years the last 2 years of which they had huge majorities not seen for a long time, and the white house for approaching 2 years. It will be harder and harder to continue passing the blame on to the predecessor. It may have worked in 2008, but by 2012 I suspect voters will see the Dem's blaming Bush as a turn off.

The problem is that voters will still hate Bush in 2012, and Obama's approval will be divided, but will not in any way will the average voter see Obama as a failure. Right now there is not a single believable poll that shows the GOP more 'popular' than the Democrats. They are trending higher, but right now people just hate the Democrats - and are voting GOP because they have no choice.

And Kentucky/TN can go Dem, I believe, they are more likely to go Dem than the Deep South.

Right not, they are holding the Democrats responsible for the economy (not fixing it).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl on September 07, 2010, 11:23:07 PM
If that would translate into the election, Obama might not break 205 EV's (redistricting is a factor).

Except that can't translate into an election - Obama won't be winning New Mexico while losing Minnesota and Washington, for example.

Exactly. Obama could continue to fail as a President and he can still win re-election. The approval ratings effect the result somewhat, but the result is primarily decided by the campaign and debates. And Obama is, to be honest, the most charismatic President since Reagan. You cannot tell me with a straight face that Newt Gingrich will break 200 EV's in 2012 if he is the nominee.

If that would translate into the election, Obama might not break 205 EV's (redistricting is a factor).

Except that can't translate into an election - Obama won't be winning New Mexico while losing Minnesota and Washington, for example.

There's no rule that says that can't happen.

Actually there is. It's the fact that Washington and Minnesota are exceptionally liberal states and the GOP is exceptionally conservative.



Oh, I forgot the rule that says the electoral map will always remain static. No Democrat will ever win without the Solid South. No Republican will ever win without Vermont.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on September 07, 2010, 11:58:06 PM
Oh god I can't wait until you see the Obama landslide on Election Night 2012. Find a GOP candidate who can campaign as charismatically and is as likable as Barack Obama and get back to me.

I'm not saying Obama won't get re-elected, but don't expect some epic 49 state sweep like Reagan in 1984. It is pointless to make predictions until we see
1) who the GOP nominee is and to a lessor extent the minor parties nominees;
2) The Un-employment numbers going into fall 2012; and
3) The situation in Afghanistan by 2012.

That being said, I do feel pretty confident with the following prediction: Indiana will not vote Obama twice and the GOP will Keep Kentucky & Alaska. despite Pbrowers maps insisting those two states will be in play lol.

1) This is almost irrelevent by this point. The GOP's best hope is Mitch Daniels, but I still haven't seen any speeches by him, and I doubt he will even run.
2) This, this here is the killer. If Employment numbers are trending into double digits then it's going to get a bit contested.
3) He can still blame the war on Bush, as easy as that would be, but it would still work relatively well.

 Indiana will be in play, unless Daniels gets the nod. And I hardly expect a 1984, perhaps at the most a re-play of 1964 if someone exceptionally insane gets the nod. I think it'll go GOP unless we get Newt/Barbour/Palin as nominee. If N/B/P is the nominee, then you are looking at this:

N/B/P v. Obama

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I support Obama, but I'm not that optimistic.

I think GA or MS will go Dem before TN or KY do under Obama... but... I doubt any of them will.

Voters memories don't last long, and Obama needs to do better, and have a stronger argument than "it's Bush's fault" in order to win.

Anyone can be elected President with the right/wrong circumstances - it's far far too early to make calls either way.

Unemployment is already in double-digits in some states

36   TENNESSEE   9.8
39   GEORGIA   9.9
39   KENTUCKY   9.9
41   INDIANA   10.2
42   ILLINOIS   10.3
42   OHIO   10.3
44   OREGON   10.6
45   MISSISSIPPI   10.8
45   SOUTH CAROLINA   10.8
47   FLORIDA   11.5
48   RHODE ISLAND   11.9
49   CALIFORNIA   12.3
50   MICHIGAN   13.1
51   NEVADA   14.3

Some of those states will be crucial for Obama's re-election.

And for the War... ok palm Iraq off on Bush... but people don't care about Iraq now... they care about Afghanistan, and unfortunately Obama has taken full ownership of that s**tstorm.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on September 08, 2010, 12:51:38 AM
NBC/WSJ: 45/49

Favorable/unfavorable: 46/41


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 08, 2010, 08:58:21 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, u.

Disapprove 54%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, -1.

While there was a slight improvement for Obama in late August/early September, it proved to be ephemeral.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on September 08, 2010, 09:51:18 AM
Hmmmm... NBC/WSJ shows him at -4 for approval but +5 on favorables in the same poll.  Maybe it turns out that many Americans don't approve of the way things are going but they generally still like the guy.

As a political junkie, I'm almost hoping that the day before election day we have Obama at 49% approval/51% disapproval but 51% favorable/49% unfavorable among likely voters.  That would wind up being one of the more unpredictable but oh-so-close elections in history.  You would have a solid chunk of the population going out to vote that day not having made up their mind.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on September 08, 2010, 10:02:18 AM
To go back to yesterday's discussion - Obama's charismatic campaign of 2008 will not translate to 2012. He's been seen as the fraud he is, and no mantra of "hope and change" or any other rhetorical slogan will help him out this time. People now see through Obama.

The only way he wins re-election is if the economy is much stronger. However, with economists predicting it to be ~9% through 2011, I just don't see that happening.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: riceowl on September 08, 2010, 10:20:40 AM
oooh, i was part of that NBC/WSJ poll!  they called on 8/27 and went through the whole thing with me.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on September 08, 2010, 11:20:01 AM
My favorite part about this thread is how terribly disconnected it is from the rest of the forum.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 08, 2010, 12:05:38 PM
To go back to yesterday's discussion - Obama's charismatic campaign of 2008 will not translate to 2012. He's been seen as the fraud he is, and no mantra of "hope and change" or any other rhetorical slogan will help him out this time. People now see through Obama.

Even if President Obama is the 'fraud" that you say he is, remember that the US electorate voted to re-elect George W. Bush, who presided over an economic boom best described as the greatest fraud of all time and who had lied to start a war for profit and his ego in Iraq. Dubya demonstrates that a President can get away with much and still be re-elected. Of course, things fell apart badly in the second term as the financial system imploded and "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" increasingly seemed a travesty. Americans did not quite recognize what a disaster George W. Bush was until well into his second term -- about in time for the 2006 election.

Any recovery from the current economic disaster, one that struck before Barack Obama  was elected, will be slow and halting. It will require changes in the ways in which Americans do business -- something that no politician can force. Recovery will fail if the "solution" is to simply throw money at those who caused the disaster.  A boom similar to that of the Double Zero Decade is no longer possible.

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The only way he wins re-election is if the economy is much stronger. However, with economists predicting it to be ~9% through 2011, I just don't see that happening.

We shall see. Efforts will matter more than will immediate results. The worst possible course is now to do nothing, eminently possible in the event of gridlock in which a Republican-dominated House of Congress decides to make the first priority of business the discreditation of President Obama -- in which case he will run in 2012 much as Harry Truman did against a "Do-nothing Congress" or something even easier (like "Do Wrong" or "Undo Everything") to disparage.

FDR was able to win re-election in 1936 even with unemployment much higher than it was in 1928.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 08, 2010, 12:09:48 PM
Arizona State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted September 7, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

 

   24% Strongly approve
   15% Somewhat approve
     5% Somewhat disapprove
   54% Strongly disapprove
     1% Not sure

Kentucky Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted September 7, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President … do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

  

    22% Strongly approve
    14% Somewhat approve
    11% Somewhat disapprove
    53% Strongly disapprove
      0% Not sure

Missouri State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted September 7, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

    25% Strongly approve
    15% Somewhat approve
       9% Somewhat disapprove
    49% Strongly disapprove
      2% Not sure



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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  153
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   52
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  122
white                        too close to call  0
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   38
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  17
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    151  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on September 08, 2010, 01:22:09 PM
ME: PPP (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_ME_908.pdf)

Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 44%
Disapprove...................................................... 51%
Not sure .......................................................... 5%


TX: PPP (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_TX_908.pdf)
Do you approve or disapprove of Governor
Rick Perry’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 39%
Disapprove...................................................... 50%
Not sure .......................................................... 12%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 08, 2010, 02:03:59 PM
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 44%
Disapprove...................................................... 51%
Not sure .......................................................... 5%


If this is the way things are going I may need to emigrate sometime in January 2013. I would never survive a fascist dictatorship.


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  153
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   52
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  130
white                        too close to call  4
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   38
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  7
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    151  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 08, 2010, 02:10:28 PM
I may attempt to purchase an apartment in Canada if things keep going this way.

Still, it's important to remember that the only President to win election and then lose his election to the same opposition party was Jimmy Carter. So if GOPer's want to take back the White House in 2012, Obama will have to be as big of a failure as Carter, and they'll also have to find another Reagan.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on September 08, 2010, 03:08:28 PM
I may attempt to purchase an apartment in Canada if things keep going this way.

So if GOPer's want to take back the White House in 2012, Obama will have to be as big of a failure as Carter, and they'll also have to find another Reagan.

Obama will be.

And the GOP has Mitt Romney.

Nuff said.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on September 08, 2010, 03:35:51 PM
PPP Also polled the individual districts in Maine:
1st: 46-48
2nd: 41-54


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on September 08, 2010, 03:52:40 PM
AZ, TX, ME, & KY

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on September 08, 2010, 04:19:55 PM
I may attempt to purchase an apartment in Canada if things keep going this way.

So if GOPer's want to take back the White House in 2012, Obama will have to be as big of a failure as Carter, and they'll also have to find another Reagan.

Obama will be.

And the GOP has Mitt Romney.

Nuff said.
Ronald Reagan and Mitt Romney are really incomparable.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 08, 2010, 04:20:40 PM
I may attempt to purchase an apartment in Canada if things keep going this way.

So if GOPer's want to take back the White House in 2012, Obama will have to be as big of a failure as Carter, and they'll also have to find another Reagan.

Obama will be.

And the GOP has Mitt Romney.

Nuff said.

This site gets more hilarious every post.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 08, 2010, 04:32:27 PM
No matter how brave people are, if they are fools they will not remain free.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 08, 2010, 08:40:42 PM
Gallup:  45/47


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: exopolitician on September 09, 2010, 02:32:44 AM
ME: PPP (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_ME_908.pdf)

Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 44%
Disapprove...................................................... 51%
Not sure .......................................................... 5%


TX: PPP (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_TX_908.pdf)
Do you approve or disapprove of Governor
Rick Perry’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 39%
Disapprove...................................................... 50%
Not sure .......................................................... 12%

12% "not sure" in Texas? Yeah okay....


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 09, 2010, 08:02:42 AM
Illinois Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted September 7, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

      

38% Strongly approve
       15% Somewhat approve
         8% Somewhat disapprove
       37% Strongly disapprove
         1% Not sure

West Virginia Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted September 8, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

22% Strongly approve
14% Somewhat approve
  9% Somewhat disapprove
53% Strongly disapprove
  2% Not sure


(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  153
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   52
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  119
white                        too close to call  2
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   38
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  18
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    151  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on September 09, 2010, 08:44:59 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 41%, -4

Disapprove 58%, +4.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 47%, +3.







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 09, 2010, 09:31:47 AM
  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 47%, +3. (I make that mistake all the time.)


Tied for his worse numbers ever.  It is still at the bottom edge of range.  It could be a bad sample or even normal fluctuation.  If they drop further or stay there through Sunday, there will be a problem.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on September 09, 2010, 11:21:01 AM
Rasmussen  MO: 40/58 (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/missouri/toplines/toplines_missouri_senate_september_7_2010)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on September 09, 2010, 11:23:36 AM
MO, IL, & WV

(
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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 09, 2010, 02:46:24 PM
I may attempt to purchase an apartment in Canada if things keep going this way.

So if GOPer's want to take back the White House in 2012, Obama will have to be as big of a failure as Carter, and they'll also have to find another Reagan.

Obama will be.

And the GOP has Mitt Romney.

Nuff said.

No. He becomes the New Harry Truman and runs against a "Do-Nothing Except Undo Everything" Congress... and wins re-election.

The American people are neither feudal nor fascist even if the Tea Party has characteristics common to one or the other to the exclusion of all else. 




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 09, 2010, 04:10:26 PM
MO, IL, & WV

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Delaware is a tie?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 09, 2010, 06:25:21 PM
MO, IL, & WV

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Delaware is a tie?

50-50, which means that Obama would win Delaware, perhaps by about a 52-48 margin. 




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: redcommander on September 09, 2010, 06:37:48 PM
LMAO at Gallup having a tie at 46-46 today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 09, 2010, 06:45:04 PM
MO, IL, & WV

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Delaware is a tie?

50-50, which means that Obama would win Delaware, perhaps by about a 52-48 margin that he would lose overall. He needs to win Delaware about 55-45 to have a reasonable chance of winning re-election. 





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook on September 09, 2010, 08:37:25 PM
Wonder what his approval will be like on Saturday.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 10, 2010, 07:33:47 AM
NC (Rasmussen): 44-55


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 10, 2010, 08:15:00 AM
OR (Rasmussen): 54-46


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 10, 2010, 08:51:08 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 42%, +1.

Disapprove 56%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 46%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 10, 2010, 11:16:44 AM
Oregon Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted September 8, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

38% Strongly approve
16% Somewhat approve
  5% Somewhat disapprove
41% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure

North Carolina Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted September 8, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

29% Strongly approve
15% Somewhat approve
10% Somewhat disapprove
45% Strongly disapprove
  0% Not sure

Connecticut State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted September 9, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

36% Strongly approve
19% Somewhat approve
  9% Somewhat disapprove
35% Strongly disapprove
  0% Not sure


(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  153
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   52
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  119
white                        too close to call  17
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   23
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  18
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    151  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 10, 2010, 11:32:48 AM
CT (Rasmussen): 55-44


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Inmate Trump on September 10, 2010, 11:35:18 AM
MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

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I really don't see how Obama loses PA as well as an EV in ME, yet wins GA, MO, VA and it's too close to call in NC.  There's just no way this scenario is going to play out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Devilman88 on September 10, 2010, 11:48:01 AM
MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

(
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I really don't see how Obama loses PA as well as an EV in ME, yet wins GA, MO, VA and it's too close to call in NC.  There's just no way this scenario is going to play out.

Nothing this guy does makes sense, he is just an Obama Hack who prays to him every night.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 10, 2010, 12:23:30 PM
TX (PPP): 40-55

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_TX_910.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 10, 2010, 01:54:42 PM
MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

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I really don't see how Obama loses PA as well as an EV in ME, yet wins GA, MO, VA and it's too close to call in NC.  There's just no way this scenario is going to play out.

A later map shows Obama losing Missouri.

It's just the order in which polls are taken. I can't believe that Pennsylvania would go for any Republican (yes, especially Rick Sanctimonious) in 2012... but so go the most recent polls.

I am predicting that Obama wins the popular vote if he begins with a nationwide approval rating in excess of 44% going into the campaign season. He is in fact very close to both Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton at similar stages of their Presidencies. (He is also a bit farther away from Jimmy Carter, but at least President Obama  has some legislative achievements and can -- unlike Carter -- make new and credible promises in 2012 because of those legislative achievements).

President Obama can still lose, but he would have to have some catastrophic events  to which he responds badly. Mishandle a natural disaster, have a scandal blow up on him, experience an international debacle, or have a second phase of an economic downturn? All of those are still possible. Those all happen suddenly and without predictability.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 10, 2010, 02:04:16 PM
Texas -- some interesting polls from PPP:


Do you approve or disapprove of Barack
Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 40%
Disapprove...................................................... 55%
Not sure .......................................................... 5%

Q3 Do you approve or disapprove of Senator Kay
Bailey Hutchison’s  (R, TX) job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 42%
Disapprove...................................................... 40%
Not sure .......................................................... 18%
Q4 Do you think Kay Bailey Hutchison should run
for reelection in 2012?
Yes.................................................................. 36%
No ................................................................... 48%
Not sure .......................................................... 16%

Q6 Do you approve or disapprove of Senator John
Cornyn’s (R, TX) job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 37%
Disapprove...................................................... 33%
Not sure .......................................................... 30%

Q8 Do you think Texas should secede from the
United States?
Yes.................................................................. 15%
No ................................................................... 72%
Not sure .......................................................... 13%

(Could be trouble for Rick Perry (R) if the Democratic opponent seizes it)

Q10 Looking back on George W. Bush’s time as
President would you rate his performance as
excellent, good, fair, or poor?
Excellent ......................................................... 9%
Good............................................................... 36%
Fair ................................................................. 23%
Poor ................................................................ 31%
Not sure .......................................................... 1%

(not so great for a Favorite Son emeritus!)




(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  153
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   52
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  119
white                        too close to call  17
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   23
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  55
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    114  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 10, 2010, 02:10:25 PM
South Dakota Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted September 8, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

   

    23% Strongly approve

    16% Somewhat approve

    15% Somewhat disapprove

    46% Strongly disapprove

      1% Not sure




(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  156
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   52
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  119
white                        too close to call  17
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   23
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  52
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    114  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on September 10, 2010, 02:53:44 PM
15% of Texans are FF's apparently.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on September 10, 2010, 04:14:34 PM

Indeed.  I would LOVE that state to just go be it's own country. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 10, 2010, 04:45:08 PM
Looks like Obama's poll numbers are going up a bit. See: West Virginia, Texas.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: exopolitician on September 10, 2010, 05:03:45 PM

Indeed.  I would LOVE that state to just go be it's own country. 

Um, pass.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on September 10, 2010, 05:21:51 PM
Looks like Obama's poll numbers are going up a bit. See: West Virginia, Texas.

I don't know about WV, but PPP's sample in Texas actually was more favorable to Obama in 2008 than the state as a whole.  McCain only won 52% of the 2008 vote in this group


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: TheDeadFlagBlues on September 10, 2010, 05:27:51 PM

Indeed.  I would LOVE that state to just go be it's own country. 
Austin can stay, the rest can leave.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 10, 2010, 09:20:12 PM

Indeed.  I would LOVE that state to just go be it's own country. 
Austin can stay, the rest can leave.

San Antonio is fun, and Dallas is fairly sophisticated.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 11, 2010, 11:35:05 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 42%, u.

Disapprove 57%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 46%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on September 11, 2010, 11:37:35 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 42%, u.

Disapprove 57%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 46%, u.



Those strongly dissapprove numbers show that he has a very solid bloc of the country that would never, ever vote for him.  Moreso than Clinton and certainly moreso than Reagan.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on September 11, 2010, 11:51:59 AM
How early did polling companies start using strongly and somewhat wording?  Surely we could find data on Clinton and Bush.  What about the Ford-Carter-Reagan era?




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 12, 2010, 05:55:32 AM
How early did polling companies start using strongly and somewhat wording?  Surely we could find data on Clinton and Bush.  What about the Ford-Carter-Reagan era?




It's Rasmussen and there not around in the 1970's early 1980's.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 12, 2010, 06:02:56 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 42%, u.

Disapprove 57%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 46%, u.



Those strongly dissapprove numbers show that he has a very solid bloc of the country that would never, ever vote for him.  Moreso than Clinton and certainly moreso than Reagan.

Where the comparison can be made, i.e. on Gallup, Obama has been maintaining higher negatives than his predecessors in general.  While, at points, Obama's positives have been higher, his negatives have tended to be higher at the same time.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on September 12, 2010, 09:44:30 AM
TX & SD

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 12, 2010, 12:05:11 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, +4.

Disapprove 54%, -3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -3.


A bad sample has dropped out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 12, 2010, 12:13:47 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, +4.

Disapprove 57%, -3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -3.


A bad sample has dropped out.

103% ?

It´s 46-54 (+4, -3).

Gallup is at 46-46 (+2, -2) today.

Some wild swings lately ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on September 12, 2010, 01:52:37 PM
I'm loving the maps on this thread. Simply loving them.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 12, 2010, 01:54:13 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, +4.

Disapprove 57%, -3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -3.


A bad sample has dropped out.

103% ?

It´s 46-54 (+4, -3).

Gallup is at 46-46 (+2, -2) today.

Some wild swings lately ...

Maybe something related to 9/11 remembrance?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 12, 2010, 02:36:31 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, +4.

Disapprove 57%, -3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -3.


A bad sample has dropped out.

103% ?

It´s 46-54 (+4, -3).

Gallup is at 46-46 (+2, -2) today.

Some wild swings lately ...

Maybe something related to 9/11 remembrance?

9/11 is still a GOP "day". In view of the 9/12 Tea Party rallies, so is 9/12.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 12, 2010, 04:07:22 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, +4.

Disapprove 57%, -3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -3.


A bad sample has dropped out.

103% ?

It´s 46-54 (+4, -3).

Gallup is at 46-46 (+2, -2) today.

Some wild swings lately ...

Thanks, I corrected it!   BYW, if anyone catches a mistake, I'll correct it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 12, 2010, 05:29:07 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, +4.

Disapprove 57%, -3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -3.


A bad sample has dropped out.

103% ?

It´s 46-54 (+4, -3).

Gallup is at 46-46 (+2, -2) today.

Some wild swings lately ...

Maybe something related to 9/11 remembrance?

9/11 is still a GOP "day". In view of the 9/12 Tea Party rallies, so is 9/12.

Hardly. 9/11 is an emotional day. Much more likely that Obama's approval goes up slightly in the wake of his speech.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 12, 2010, 08:19:27 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, +4.

Disapprove 57%, -3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -3.


A bad sample has dropped out.

103% ?

It´s 46-54 (+4, -3).

Gallup is at 46-46 (+2, -2) today.

Some wild swings lately ...

Maybe something related to 9/11 remembrance?

9/11 is still a GOP "day". In view of the 9/12 Tea Party rallies, so is 9/12.

Hardly. 9/11 is an emotional day. Much more likely that Obama's approval goes up slightly in the wake of his speech.

I didn't know of any speeches today. If 2008 is any indication, the more that people hear President Obama, the more they like him.

Question: does he have any coattails? 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 12, 2010, 10:59:31 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, +4.

Disapprove 57%, -3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -3.


A bad sample has dropped out.

103% ?

It´s 46-54 (+4, -3).

Gallup is at 46-46 (+2, -2) today.

Some wild swings lately ...

Maybe something related to 9/11 remembrance?

9/11 is still a GOP "day". In view of the 9/12 Tea Party rallies, so is 9/12.

Hardly. 9/11 is an emotional day. Much more likely that Obama's approval goes up slightly in the wake of his speech.

I didn't know of any speeches today. If 2008 is any indication, the more that people hear President Obama, the more they like him.

Question: does he have any coattails? 

Coattails? Really? Haha, maybe in like six states. Come on, dude. Stop trolling.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 13, 2010, 09:57:13 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 53%, -3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on September 13, 2010, 12:07:18 PM
Question: does he have any coattails? 

I'd be oh-so-interested in hearing your take on these upcoming midterm elections.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 13, 2010, 12:42:30 PM
Question: does he have any coattails? 

I'd be oh-so-interested in hearing your take on these upcoming midterm elections.

Changing every day.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on September 13, 2010, 12:56:17 PM
Question: does he have any coattails? 

I'd be oh-so-interested in hearing your take on these upcoming midterm elections.

Changing every day.

Pick a day sometime.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 13, 2010, 02:19:54 PM
Question: does he have any coattails? 

I'd be oh-so-interested in hearing your take on these upcoming midterm elections.

Changing every day.

Pick a day sometime.

Friday?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on September 13, 2010, 07:50:58 PM
SUSA  Georgia: 35-61

http://www.13wmaz.com/news/breaking/story.aspx?storyid=90254&catid=4

(It's kind of buried in the lower section with a type, and SUSA doesn't yet have it on their site)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 13, 2010, 08:11:40 PM
SUSA  Georgia: 35-61

http://www.13wmaz.com/news/breaking/story.aspx?storyid=90254&catid=4

(It's kind of buried in the lower section with a type, and SUSA doesn't yet have it on their site)
The most depressing part about this poll? Deal leads by 11. :(


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on September 13, 2010, 08:27:10 PM
SUSA  Georgia: 35-61

http://www.13wmaz.com/news/breaking/story.aspx?storyid=90254&catid=4

(It's kind of buried in the lower section with a type, and SUSA doesn't yet have it on their site)
The most depressing part about this poll? Deal leads by 11. :(
:(

But I don't like Barnes Either.

Write-in: Mr. Potato Head


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on September 14, 2010, 03:58:49 AM
SUSA  Georgia: 35-61

http://www.13wmaz.com/news/breaking/story.aspx?storyid=90254&catid=4

(It's kind of buried in the lower section with a type, and SUSA doesn't yet have it on their site)
The most depressing part about this poll? Deal leads by 11. :(
:(

But I don't like Barnes Either.

Write-in: Mr. Potato Head

Would you have preferred Handel?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 14, 2010, 04:11:55 AM
Deal is clearly filth.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on September 14, 2010, 06:42:53 AM

He's a good poster.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 14, 2010, 08:37:43 AM
Colorado Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted September 12, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

    29% Strongly approve
    16% Somewhat approve
       7% Somewhat disapprove
    46% Strongly disapprove
       1% Not sure

Nevada State Survey of 750 Likely Voters

Conducted September 13, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

34% Strongly approve
12% Somewhat approve
  5% Somewhat disapprove
46% Strongly disapprove
  3% Not sure




(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  156
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   52
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  119
white                        too close to call  17
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   23
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  52
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    114  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 14, 2010, 08:39:51 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on September 14, 2010, 10:28:43 AM
Pbrower, You'll use a Geoprgia poll that is very unusualy high, but not one that is on par with the region, and close to what older polls had shown it at?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 14, 2010, 10:34:45 AM
Pbrower, You'll use a Geoprgia poll that is very unusualy high, but not one that is on par with the region, and close to what older polls had shown it at?

SurveyUSA is way out of line with Rasmussen.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on September 14, 2010, 10:59:50 AM
Pbrower, You'll use a Geoprgia poll that is very unusualy high, but not one that is on par with the region, and close to what older polls had shown it at?

SurveyUSA is way out of line with Rasmussen.


But that last poll kinda seemed way out of line with how the state had been trending in the polls and you still used it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 14, 2010, 12:36:46 PM
FOX News/Pulse Opinion Research (same company that polls for Rasmussen):

FL: 37-57
NV: 42-53
OH: 39-55
PA: 40-53
CA: 48-44

1000 Likely Voters in each state on Sept. 11

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/14/fox-news-polls-track-midterm-election-races-critical-states/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 14, 2010, 01:05:34 PM
CA, GA, FL, PA, NV, CO & OH

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

CA = green plz


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on September 14, 2010, 01:07:16 PM
oh, my bad.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on September 14, 2010, 01:08:18 PM
CA, GA, FL, PA, NV, CO & OH

(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Inmate Trump on September 14, 2010, 01:56:24 PM
Handel would've been much better than Deal.  That, and she's an "in the closest" supporter of the homosexuals.  I voted for her in the primary.  Now that she's lost, (never thought I'd say this), my vote is most likely going to Barnes.  Deal is too risky.

SUSA  Georgia: 35-61

http://www.13wmaz.com/news/breaking/story.aspx?storyid=90254&catid=4

(It's kind of buried in the lower section with a type, and SUSA doesn't yet have it on their site)
The most depressing part about this poll? Deal leads by 11. :(
:(

But I don't like Barnes Either.

Write-in: Mr. Potato Head

Would you have preferred Handel?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on September 14, 2010, 04:10:27 PM
SUSA  Georgia: 35-61

http://www.13wmaz.com/news/breaking/story.aspx?storyid=90254&catid=4

(It's kind of buried in the lower section with a type, and SUSA doesn't yet have it on their site)
The most depressing part about this poll? Deal leads by 11. :(
:(

But I don't like Barnes Either.

Write-in: Mr. Potato Head

Would you have preferred Handel?
Yes.  She isn't a crook.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on September 14, 2010, 04:22:03 PM
PPP Released a National Poll:  Obama is 47-49 Approval

Interesting numbers include a Rebound for Obama with older voters, winning them 55-40 along with Young voters 61-34, but he gets crushed with the Boomers, 42-56.  Older Voters also approve of Obamacare by 48-40, so it's probably a bad sample.  Also, Hispanics only approve of Obamacare 50-45, which also might be a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on September 14, 2010, 04:40:28 PM
PPP Has a whole slew out, and they're not good for the Democrats:

Delaware: 46-48
Illinonis: 49-46
Florida: 39-55
Nevada: 44-52
Wisconsin: 45-50
New Hampshire: 44-52
Colorado: 44-50
Washington: 49-47
California: 54-39

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/09/obama-liability-in-senate-battlegrounds.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 14, 2010, 04:42:43 PM
PPP Has a whole slew out, and they're not good for the Democrats:

Delaware: 46-48
Illinonis: 49-46
Florida: 39-55
Nevada: 44-52
Wisconsin: 45-50
New Hampshire: 44-52
Colorado: 44-50
Washington: 49-47
California: 54-39

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/09/obama-liability-in-senate-battlegrounds.html

Not really. The only ones out of the norm of who we've been seeing is Delaware (Rass had it 50-50, but w/e) and Florida. FL seems to low. Everything else is about the same as what we've been seeing in general from PPP.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on September 14, 2010, 05:06:02 PM
PPP Has a whole slew out, and they're not good for the Democrats:

Delaware: 46-48
Illinonis: 49-46
Florida: 39-55
Nevada: 44-52
Wisconsin: 45-50
New Hampshire: 44-52
Colorado: 44-50
Washington: 49-47
California: 54-39

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/09/obama-liability-in-senate-battlegrounds.html

Not really. The only ones out of the norm of who we've been seeing is Delaware (Rass had it 50-50, but w/e) and Florida. FL seems to low. Everything else is about the same as what we've been seeing in general from PPP.

Oh, sorry, I forgot to mention that this was a poll of the states with competitive Senate Races, and Obama having below 50% Approval in all but 1 along with underwater approvals in all but 3 does not bode well for the Democrats.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on September 14, 2010, 06:01:17 PM


(
)
30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green

Washington should be Yellow


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 15, 2010, 12:49:06 AM
PPP Has a whole slew out, and they're not good for the Democrats:

Delaware: 46-48
Illinonis: 49-46
Florida: 39-55
Nevada: 44-52
Wisconsin: 45-50
New Hampshire: 44-52
Colorado: 44-50
Washington: 49-47
California: 54-39

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/09/obama-liability-in-senate-battlegrounds.html

IMPORTANT: these are not new polls, it´s just a collection of their prior releases to show Obama`s impact in Senate races !!!

Do not use these figures in your maps.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on September 15, 2010, 12:58:27 AM
PPP Has a whole slew out, and they're not good for the Democrats:

Delaware: 46-48
Illinonis: 49-46
Florida: 39-55
Nevada: 44-52
Wisconsin: 45-50
New Hampshire: 44-52
Colorado: 44-50
Washington: 49-47
California: 54-39

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/09/obama-liability-in-senate-battlegrounds.html

IMPORTANT: these are not new polls, it´s just a collection of their prior releases to show Obama`s impact in Senate races !!!

Do not use these figures in your maps.

Wait, really?  Sorry, They didn't make that clear in the Blog post.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 15, 2010, 08:57:01 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 53%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, +1.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 15, 2010, 02:44:04 PM
Pennsylvania Survey of 750 Likely Voters

Conducted September 13, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

  

   26% Strongly approve

   21% Somewhat approve

   11% Somewhat disapprove

   40% Strongly disapprove

     2% Not sure

Florida Survey of 750 Likely Voters

Conducted September 14, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

  

31% Strongly approve

    15% Somewhat approve

      8% Somewhat disapprove

    46% Strongly disapprove

      1% Not sure

Vermont Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted September 13, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

  

    41% Strongly approve

    22% Somewhat approve

      7% Somewhat disapprove

    30% Strongly disapprove

      0% Not sure

Ohio Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted September 13, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

     

       32% Strongly approve

       12% Somewhat approve

         8% Somewhat disapprove

       46% Strongly disapprove

         2% Not sure



(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  156
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   49
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 90
white                        too close to call  54
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   23
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  66
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    114  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on September 15, 2010, 03:01:13 PM
Vermont owns.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 15, 2010, 03:53:58 PM
Pbrower, how is a 44% approval in Colorado a pure toss-up but a 45% approval in Wisconsin is lean Democrat?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 15, 2010, 04:12:13 PM
Pbrower, how is a 44% approval in Colorado a pure toss-up but a 45% approval in Wisconsin is lean Democrat?

An incumbent normally has a 6% advantage over a challenger during a statewide campaign (Governor, US Senate, maybe a single-district House seat) or a Presidential election.  unless he implodes through scandals, extreme gaffes, or international debacles. This advantage is not enough to rescue a failure, and it might not apply when the incumbent faces a third-party nominee on his side of the political spectrum.

The President gets plenty of attention from the media and his campaign can usually compliment the President's statements. The challenger or someone running for the open seat has no such luck.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 15, 2010, 04:15:22 PM
Pbrower, how is a 44% approval in Colorado a pure toss-up but a 45% approval in Wisconsin is lean Democrat?

An incumbent normally has a 6% advantage over a challenger during a statewide campaign (Governor, US Senate, maybe a single-district House seat) or a Presidential election.  unless he implodes through scandals, extreme gaffes, or international debacles. This advantage is not enough to rescue a failure, and it might not apply when the incumbent faces a third-party nominee on his side of the political spectrum.

The President gets plenty of attention from the media and his campaign can usually compliment the President's statements. The challenger or someone running for the open seat has no such luck.
Lets just pretend for a second that your theory makes sense...
45+6=51
That would put a Republican at around 48%. That would give Obama about a 3 point lead. According to your own "rules", lean Democrat is 5-9% margin, which is well above 3 points.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on September 15, 2010, 04:58:28 PM
General note about the Strongly/Somewhat question that Rassmussen uses.  I hate it, I really do.  You know why?  Because I somewhat approve of what Obama has done in office.  I also somewhat DISAPPROVE of what he's done in office.  I really wish they would just go with approve/disapprove, I would imagine it is actually a lot more accurate.  Unless, they start with that first question... and THEN ask "do you strongly or only somewhat approve/disapprove"... but I still think the simple 2-answer question is better [/rant]

Anyhoo, I think if Pennsylvania's newest numbers are anywhere close to correct, then Obama's in good shape for the state in 2012.  40% willing to say they STRONGLY disapprove (even though I hate the system) is on the low side compared to the national average. 

I'd love to see another election where the GOP throws a ton of resources at Pennsylvania.  It's the GOP's wet dream in the same way Texas is going to be the Democrats' down the road.  I don't think it's winnable for them in a close election.  They're better off going in attack mode on FL, OH, VA, and CO.  Without one of those four the Democrats are screwed and as of today Obama would NOT win any of them. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Capitan Zapp Brannigan on September 16, 2010, 11:43:49 AM
Today's Rassmussen polls:
NH: 47% approve, 51% disapprove
DE: 54% approve, 43% disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: WillK on September 16, 2010, 11:51:50 AM
Lets just pretend for a second that your theory makes sense...
45+6=51
That would put a Republican at around 48%. ....
Only if you assume that the Dem% + the Rep% = 100%, which is rarely true. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on September 16, 2010, 01:25:01 PM
Gallup: 45/48
Rasmussen: 45/54


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: muon2 on September 16, 2010, 02:04:24 PM
PPP Has a whole slew out, and they're not good for the Democrats:

Delaware: 46-48
Illinonis: 49-46
Florida: 39-55
Nevada: 44-52
Wisconsin: 45-50
New Hampshire: 44-52
Colorado: 44-50
Washington: 49-47
California: 54-39

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/09/obama-liability-in-senate-battlegrounds.html

I don't think that they would all hold, especially FL. But if they do hold, I might want to find another country.



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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  156
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   49
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%  60
white                        too close to call  33
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   23
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  66
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    142  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......



If I read this right, the PPP blip would mark the first time that the sum of Obama's red states in your model is less than 270 EV. What controls the number when you include polls on the same day, such as FL yesterday?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 16, 2010, 06:32:11 PM
Massachusetts State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted September 15, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

34% Strongly approve
20% Somewhat approve
10% Somewhat disapprove
35% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure
Wisconsin State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted September 15, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

29% Strongly approve
20% Somewhat approve
  9% Somewhat disapprove
40% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure





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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  159
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   61
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 83
white                        too close to call  46
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   23
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  66
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    114  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on September 16, 2010, 10:24:07 PM
I think you colored Washington incorrectly


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on September 16, 2010, 10:57:24 PM
I think you colored Washington incorrectly

What if he failed Kindergarten, and you just exposed him on the forum? How bad would you feel about that? Exactly.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on September 16, 2010, 10:59:35 PM


Failing is the word you're looking for.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 17, 2010, 08:50:17 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, -2.

Disapprove 54%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, +2.


The ranges from 8/1/10) have been:

Approve:  41-48 (7 points)
Disapprove:  51-58 (7 points)

Strongly Approve:  23-31 (8 points)
Strongly Disapprove:  41-47 (6 points)

Median:

A:   44.5%
D:   54.5%

SA:  27%
SD:  44%

With the exception of one low SA number, all numbers have been within MOE, of +/- 3.5%, of the median. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 17, 2010, 08:56:21 AM
I think you colored Washington incorrectly

Corrected. 47-46 became 49-50, or something to that effect. That has some weird statistical effects on the model.

Then I wrote over the post that I corrected with new data.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 17, 2010, 03:05:36 PM
Indiana Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted September 14-15, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

    21% Strongly approve
    17% Somewhat approve
    11% Somewhat disapprove
    50% Strongly disapprove
      1% Not sure





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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION:

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  159
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   61
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 83
white                        too close to call  46
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   23
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  66
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    114  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 17, 2010, 07:46:47 PM
Food for thought, a 2012 analysis:
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Dark Red: Even in a best case scenario for the GOP, these states would likely still go for Obama. Although by slim margins in some cases.

Medium Red: These states have voted for Obama, but have been seemingly trending Republican in the last few years. The GOP could potentially win any of these with the right candidate.

Red: These states have either voted Republican at least once in the last 4 election cycles, or have been extremely close to voting republican. If Obama is not re-elected, one of these states is likely to go Republican.

Pink: These states voted for Obama, and appear to be trending Democrat. However, they will also be the first to vote for another Republican.

Teal: These states either voted for Obama, and appear to be trending Republican, or voted for McCain and appear to be trending Democrat.

Blue:These traditionally Republican states could potentially flip to Obama if the economy recovers to an extent.

Medium Blue: These states are Republican and are only becoming more GOP-friendly. It would take a fool to lose these states.

Dark Blue: Obama would find a hard time pulling off victories in these states even in a 60-40 landslide.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 18, 2010, 09:17:36 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, u.

Disapprove 55%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, -1.


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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on September 18, 2010, 09:27:03 AM
This entire thread is uber failure with pbrower2a in it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 18, 2010, 08:26:56 PM
Pbrower, how is a 44% approval in Colorado a pure toss-up but a 45% approval in Wisconsin is lean Democrat?

An incumbent normally has a 6% advantage over a challenger during a statewide campaign (Governor, US Senate, maybe a single-district House seat) or a Presidential election.  unless he implodes through scandals, extreme gaffes, or international debacles. This advantage is not enough to rescue a failure, and it might not apply when the incumbent faces a third-party nominee on his side of the political spectrum.

The President gets plenty of attention from the media and his campaign can usually compliment the President's statements. The challenger or someone running for the open seat has no such luck.
Lets just pretend for a second that your theory makes sense...
45+6=51
That would put a Republican at around 48%. That would give Obama about a 3 point lead. According to your own "rules", lean Democrat is 5-9% margin, which is well above 3 points.

Let's start with this obvious fact: if 8 of the last 13 incumbent Presidents won re-election (I stop there because of Grover Cleveland winning the popular vote but losing the electoral vote), then incumbency must offer some advantage. It's not likely that such is pure chance. Those who lost had huge faults as a President or at least as a campaigner.

William Howard Taft was simply not temperamentally suited to be President. Herbert Hoover bungled the economic meltdown that bedeviled his Presidency. Gerald Ford had never run for any statewide  office and had never been elected Vice-President, so he didn't have a clue on how to win a Presidential election as had the usual Senators and Governors. Jimmy Carter had practically no legislative achievements. George H. W. Bush achieved about everything that anyone could ever have expected him to achieve in four years and he could never explain why he should be re-elected. Heck, Ulysses S. Grant, Calvin Coolidge, and George W. Bush could be re-elected. 

Incumbency for the President has perks  -- Air Force One, plenty of attention from the media and control of the message, the ability to take advantage of economic upturns and good international news. The incumbent usually knew how to win the first time and can ordinarily resuscitate the campaign team from the previous election. His advertising can complement events and Presidential speeches.  Those are not enough to rescue a bad President.

Nate Silver had a study at 538.com (no longer there) that showed how incumbent Senators and Governors did between 2006 and 2009, inclusively. He noted that at an approval rating of 44% the incumbent Governor or Senator had roughly a 50% chance of winning re-election, and that the chance of winning dropped off sharply; above 44% the incumbent's chance of winning rose rapidly. To be sure, one incumbent with more than 50% approval at the start of the campaign was defeated, but that was Senator George Allen, who sticks out. Then again, few incumbent politicians make the same huge gaffe the "Macaca moment" or have staffers who beat up a heckler. Sure, Allen lost to a strong opponent, but barely.

Perfect storms can happen. Many of the blatant losers were in big trouble before their campaigns for re-election began. Corzine was in the high 30s and lost; about everyone thought that he was in trouble. Sometimes low polling numbers reflect that a candidate is arrogant (Santorum), suspect (Stevens, Burns), or just not up to the job. Such is hard to recover from. Sure, there was Governor Jennifer Grantholm of Michigan who won by a landslide after having an approval rating near 40%... but the economy seemed to improve and the Democrats had a wave election to her benefit. The 6% average gain applies to those incumbents 

Bad campaigning can happen -- but I don't expect that from President Obama. He had a formidable campaign apparatus that has been in mothballs... but count on it to be out again. He will be running on his record, and he has some legitimate achievements. He may have bet that his health care reform will be more popular in November 2012 than in February 2010; so far the disapproval ratings for it have been falling.   

The pattern holds for true for incumbents with 35%, 50%, or 65% approvals alike,  so it is not recursion to the mean as one might expect (that is, everyone tending toward 50%). Incumbents almost always campaign, whether they are as far behind as John Corzine or as far ahead as Jon Huntsman; such is habit.

The pattern also applies to incumbent Presidents. Most try to win re-election by winning the popular vote, and eight of the last thirteen succeeded at it. Maybe they can shift some votes with a few well-timed and placed speeches.  Some who disapprove simply forget to vote. But it is usually gain. Maybe Carter lost support because of the Iranian hostage crisis and stagflation, but he was in trouble anyway.

President Obama can lose. He is not in the zone in which he is immune from bad economic news or some string of bad luck not of his doing. But look at the pattern that I suggest; he will actively campaign if he must, and he will campaign as it most solidifies his wins or gives him a chance to win what he must. He's not going to do much to campaign in Vermont if his approval rating there is 63% and he is not going to campaign in Oklahoma if his approval there is 27%.  But if it is 47% in Ohio, he will take plenty of trips to the Buckeye State.





 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on September 18, 2010, 08:31:10 PM
Nate Silver had a study at 538.com (no longer there) that showed how incumbent Senators and Governors did between 2006 and 2009, inclusively. He noted that at an approval rating of 44% the incumbent Governor or Senator had roughly a 50% chance of winning re-election, and that the chance of winning dropped off sharply; above 44% the incumbent's chance of winning rose rapidly.

You are either very fond of lying, or too stupid to remember that you've been corrected about this 10 times now.

Never ever has Nate Silver said anything of the sort.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 18, 2010, 08:31:51 PM
Pbrower, how is a 44% approval in Colorado a pure toss-up but a 45% approval in Wisconsin is lean Democrat?

An incumbent normally has a 6% advantage over a challenger during a statewide campaign (Governor, US Senate, maybe a single-district House seat) or a Presidential election.  unless he implodes through scandals, extreme gaffes, or international debacles. This advantage is not enough to rescue a failure, and it might not apply when the incumbent faces a third-party nominee on his side of the political spectrum.

The President gets plenty of attention from the media and his campaign can usually compliment the President's statements. The challenger or someone running for the open seat has no such luck.
Lets just pretend for a second that your theory makes sense...
45+6=51
That would put a Republican at around 48%. That would give Obama about a 3 point lead. According to your own "rules", lean Democrat is 5-9% margin, which is well above 3 points.

Let's start with this obvious fact: if 8 of the last 13 incumbent Presidents won re-election (I stop there because of Grover Cleveland winning the popular vote but losing the electoral vote), then incumbency must offer some advantage. It's not likely that such is pure chance. Those who lost had huge faults as a President or at least as a campaigner.

William Howard Taft was simply not temperamentally suited to be President. Herbert Hoover bungled the economic meltdown that bedeviled his Presidency. Gerald Ford had never run for any statewide  office and had never been elected Vice-President, so he didn't have a clue on how to win a Presidential election as had the usual Senators and Governors. Jimmy Carter had practically no legislative achievements. George H. W. Bush achieved about everything that anyone could ever have expected him to achieve in four years and he could never explain why he should be re-elected. Heck, Ulysses S. Grant, Calvin Coolidge, and George W. Bush could be re-elected. 

Incumbency for the President has perks  -- Air Force One, plenty of attention from the media and control of the message, the ability to take advantage of economic upturns and good international news. The incumbent usually knew how to win the first time and can ordinarily resuscitate the campaign team from the previous election. His advertising can complement events and Presidential speeches.  Those are not enough to rescue a bad President.

Nate Silver had a study at 538.com (no longer there) that showed how incumbent Senators and Governors did between 2006 and 2009, inclusively. He noted that at an approval rating of 44% the incumbent Governor or Senator had roughly a 50% chance of winning re-election, and that the chance of winning dropped off sharply; above 44% the incumbent's chance of winning rose rapidly. To be sure, one incumbent with more than 50% approval at the start of the campaign was defeated, but that was Senator George Allen, who sticks out. Then again, few incumbent politicians make the same huge gaffe the "Macaca moment" or have staffers who beat up a heckler. Sure, Allen lost to a strong opponent, but barely.

Perfect storms can happen. Many of the blatant losers were in big trouble before their campaigns for re-election began. Corzine was in the high 30s and lost; about everyone thought that he was in trouble. Sometimes low polling numbers reflect that a candidate is arrogant (Santorum), suspect (Stevens, Burns), or just not up to the job. Such is hard to recover from. Sure, there was Governor Jennifer Grantholm of Michigan who won by a landslide after having an approval rating near 40%... but the economy seemed to improve and the Democrats had a wave election to her benefit. The 6% average gain applies to those incumbents 

Bad campaigning can happen -- but I don't expect that from President Obama. He had a formidable campaign apparatus that has been in mothballs... but count on it to be out again. He will be running on his record, and he has some legitimate achievements. He may have bet that his health care reform will be more popular in November 2012 than in February 2010; so far the disapproval ratings for it have been falling.   

The pattern holds for true for incumbents with 35%, 50%, or 65% approvals alike,  so it is not recursion to the mean as one might expect (that is, everyone tending toward 50%). Incumbents almost always campaign, whether they are as far behind as John Corzine or as far ahead as Jon Huntsman; such is habit.

The pattern also applies to incumbent Presidents. Most try to win re-election by winning the popular vote, and eight of the last thirteen succeeded at it. Maybe they can shift some votes with a few well-timed and placed speeches.  Some who disapprove simply forget to vote. But it is usually gain. Maybe Carter lost support because of the Iranian hostage crisis and stagflation, but he was in trouble anyway.

President Obama can lose. He is not in the zone in which he is immune from bad economic news or some string of bad luck not of his doing. But look at the pattern that I suggest; he will actively campaign if he must, and he will campaign as it most solidifies his wins or gives him a chance to win what he must. He's not going to do much to campaign in Vermont if his approval rating there is 63% and he is not going to campaign in Oklahoma if his approval there is 27%.  But if it is 47% in Ohio, he will take plenty of trips to the Buckeye State.

 

And you whistle in graveyards too.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 19, 2010, 10:45:50 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, u.

Disapprove 55%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, u.


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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 19, 2010, 11:51:05 AM
The hating on pbrower2 is hilarious. He has the right idea, but his system isn't all the great.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on September 19, 2010, 03:30:16 PM
The hating on pbrower2 is hilarious. He has the right idea, but his system isn't all the great.

You have no idea how much of a terrible hack he is.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 19, 2010, 03:32:39 PM
The hating on pbrower2 is hilarious. He has the right idea, but his system isn't all the great.

You have no idea how much of a terrible hack he is.

Yeah, that lunatic keeps showing Obama getting more than 1 electoral vote in the 2012 election.

/sarcasm


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on September 19, 2010, 03:35:24 PM
The hating on pbrower2 is hilarious. He has the right idea, but his system isn't all the great.

You have no idea how much of a terrible hack he is.

Yeah, that lunatic keeps showing Obama getting more than 1 electoral vote in the 2012 election.

/sarcasm

How old are you?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 19, 2010, 03:51:29 PM
The hating on pbrower2 is hilarious. He has the right idea, but his system isn't all the great.

You have no idea how much of a terrible hack he is.

Yeah, that lunatic keeps showing Obama getting more than 1 electoral vote in the 2012 election.

/sarcasm

How old are you?

17 going on 18. I'm a bit immature, I know, but the hate on pbrower2 is a bit immature as well. I'm probably biased on this, but I fail to see how pbrower2 is a hack, seeing as how your only argument for him being one (that I can see) is that he is not a Republican.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on September 19, 2010, 04:04:51 PM
17 going on 18. I'm a bit immature, I know, but the hate on pbrower2 is a bit immature as well. I'm probably biased on this, but I fail to see how pbrower2 is a hack, seeing as how your only argument for him being one (that I can see) is that he is not a Republican.
No, the argument is how he seems to think negative approval ratings across the country translate into him winning big in 2012. Then there is his air hub thing, and that "no matter how crappy a job, the incumbent will always see 6%+ magically appear". Then there is his tendency to use a poll that clearly shows an unusually high approval, but firmly reject using a poll that shows an unusually low approval, calling it out as a bad poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on September 19, 2010, 04:07:38 PM
That's spot on.

On an unrelated note, I hate his color scheme. BTW, I couldn't care less what he is registered as. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty close to leaving the GOP myself. I like to vote in the primaries, but they are getting to be a little much with their anti-Muslim rhetoric.

Your age is about what I thought it was, TBH.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on September 19, 2010, 04:09:42 PM
17 going on 18. I'm a bit immature, I know, but the hate on pbrower2 is a bit immature as well. I'm probably biased on this, but I fail to see how pbrower2 is a hack, seeing as how your only argument for him being one (that I can see) is that he is not a Republican.
No, the argument is how he seems to think negative approval ratings across the country translate into him winning big in 2012. Then there is his air hub thing, and that "no matter how crappy a job, the incumbent will always see 6%+ magically appear". Then there is his tendency to use a poll that clearly shows an unusually high approval, but firmly reject using a poll that shows an unusually low approval, calling it out as a bad poll.

     I remember that he once called a poll of Georgia with Obama at 35% approval a push poll, giving no justification or explanation whatsoever.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on September 19, 2010, 04:29:32 PM
Actually, I'd regard Pbrower as less of a hack as some of the Republicans here.

At least his viewpoint makes sense.  His belief is that Obama will get 10% more than his approval rating.  The logic is that some of those who disapprove of Obama are left-leaning indies who would vote for him anyway when the opponent is a Republican.

I disagree with the logic but it's still logic.  Pbrower may be an out of touch extreme liberal but he's not a hack.

Now, some of the "fiscally conservative"/Northeastern Republicans here are total hacks.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 19, 2010, 04:36:02 PM
17 going on 18. I'm a bit immature, I know, but the hate on pbrower2 is a bit immature as well. I'm probably biased on this, but I fail to see how pbrower2 is a hack, seeing as how your only argument for him being one (that I can see) is that he is not a Republican.
No, the argument is how he seems to think negative approval ratings across the country translate into him winning big in 2012. Then there is his air hub thing, and that "no matter how crappy a job, the incumbent will always see 6%+ magically appear". Then there is his tendency to use a poll that clearly shows an unusually high approval, but firmly reject using a poll that shows an unusually low approval, calling it out as a bad poll.

1. It depends, his 2012 predictions are bogus, with the current approval ratings and unemployment numbers, I can tell you that, but I could see his predictions being right if say, Palin was nominated. If the GOP nominates someone with half a brain, it's going to be a bit closer.

2. I don't necessarily see 6+ percent extra going for an incumbent, I could see maybe a 3% bonus, as a lot of progressives and left-leaning independents disapprove of his job but would vote for him in any case come 2012.

3. I agree with the hack sentiment here, obvious bias. Although, I could see this being acceptable by coincidence if he only took polls from one certain polling organization (say, Rasmussen, or Gallup).

That's spot on.

On an unrelated note, I hate his color scheme. BTW, I couldn't care less what he is registered as. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty close to leaving the GOP myself. I like to vote in the primaries, but they are getting to be a little much with their anti-Muslim rhetoric.

His color scheme? I prefer the Green to Yellow, Jbrase's maps make the situation seem far too anti-Obama IMHO. If pbrower counted states with 39% or less approval as a shade of red then I think it would be perfect.

I could see myself voting for a FisCon one day, as it's ridiculous to claim that one economic system works under ever circumstance, but I could never vote for a SoCon. We can debate about economics all day but when it comes to SoCon's, the argument is usually just bigotry or disdain.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on September 19, 2010, 05:30:41 PM
I'm kind of curious here as to how the 44% Magic number works out.  There's a big difference between an incumbent with a 44-56 rating than one with a 44-44 or 44-20 one.

Also, Pbrower states that 8 of the last 13 Incumbents running fore re-election won.  Not only is this a small sample size, but 8 of 13 is only 61%, which is not exactly a solid number if you consider that people who have already won the presidency have proven that they can win the presidency (i.e. someone who has already made a free-throw is statistically more likely to be able to make another one than someone who hasn't).

On top of that, the sample studies incumbent Governors and Senators from 2006-2009, a rather narrow time-frame that coincides with two wave elections, but not a single incumbent presidential one.  To give an example (using Gallup polls), during their first midterms the last 11 presidents have had an average approval rating of 57%, and 6 of 9 won re-election (Kennedy and Johnson didn't run for re-election).  Among presidents polling at below 44%, both have won re-election (Reagan and Clinton), and among Presidents polling above 50%, 4 of 5 won re-election (The Elder Bush losing).  For the other 2, polling in-between 50% and 44%, they both lost (Carter and Ford).  That data suggests that there is no sort of linear correlation between Presidential approval numbers at approximately this time and their re-election chances.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Inmate Trump on September 19, 2010, 06:05:14 PM
I agree with Scifiguy....the pbrower2 bashing is a bit much.  It's getting useless and unnecessary.  I disagree with his predictions, just as I'm sure he'd disagree with mine, and we both have that right.  But just because he predicts the election a certain way means he's a hack?  Get over it.....Let him have his fun predicting things the way he wants and posting about it.....we all like to do that.

For that matter, bashing anyone.....even just over the internet....is pretty stupid.  Can't we all just get along?  We're all pretty much nerds, based on how much time and effort we all spend here (look at some your post counts...), we should all know how harassment and criticism and a few unkind words here & there can hurt!!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on September 19, 2010, 06:22:41 PM
For that matter, bashing anyone.....even just over the internet....is pretty stupid.  Can't we all just get along?  We're all pretty much nerds, based on how much time and effort we all spend here (look at some your post counts...), we should all know how harassment and criticism and a few unkind words here & there can hurt!!

What?  People can be cruel an vicious over the internet?  Who would have though? :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 19, 2010, 08:29:14 PM
I'm kind of curious here as to how the 44% Magic number works out.  There's a big difference between an incumbent with a 44-56 rating than one with a 44-44 or 44-20 one.

Of course an incumbent with so high a profile as Governor or Senator, let alone President of the United States, is unlikely to ever have a 44-20 split in approval and disapproval.   Such implies someone largely unknown, for example a Congressional Representative from District 6 of 20 running for the seat of a retiring Senator.  

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Also, Pbrower states that 8 of the last 13 Incumbents running fore re-election won.  Not only is this a small sample size, but 8 of 13 is only 61%, which is not exactly a solid number if you consider that people who have already won the presidency have proven that they can win the presidency (i.e. someone who has already made a free-throw is statistically more likely to be able to make another one than someone who hasn't).

Of course it is a small sample; that is all that we have, and I don't want to go back to the 19th Century when politics were very different from what they are now. But I can explain the five losses; I have yet to see any dissent with my explanations. Of course 8 of 13 isn't exactly the same as the record that Larry Bird had with sinking free throws (in essence, don't foul Larry Bird in the latter minutes of a basketball game).

It is possible that with a stronger opponent than John Kerry, George W, Bush would have lost his re-election bid, and of course I wouldn't be discussing a 7-6 split or even an 8-5 split (Kerry winning re-election), let alone a 7-7 split (Kerry losing re-election). On the other side, Gerald Ford came close to winning re-election. We aren't dealing with alternative history -- but I am certainly dealing with human factors.

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On top of that, the sample studies incumbent Governors and Senators from 2006-2009, a rather narrow time-frame that coincides with two wave elections, but not a single incumbent presidential one.  To give an example (using Gallup polls), during their first midterms the last 11 presidents have had an average approval rating of 57%, and 6 of 9 won re-election (Kennedy and Johnson didn't run for re-election).  Among presidents polling at below 44%, both have won re-election (Reagan and Clinton), and among Presidents polling above 50%, 4 of 5 won re-election (The Elder Bush losing).  For the other 2, polling in-between 50% and 44%, they both lost (Carter and Ford).  That data suggests that there is no sort of linear correlation between Presidential approval numbers at approximately this time and their re-election chances.

The estimated 6% gain is from roughly the late winter or early spring of 2012 to the first Tuesday in November 2012.  Maybe I should be more precise and say that "if the polls are like this in early 2012 (approval rating), I estimate this electoral result in November 2012". Polls are themselves estimates, and they can bounce around for no apparent reason.

Polls will reflect many things that themselves can change. One is the economy. So if unemployment decreases steadily and real wages rise for a change, then such will manifest itself in the polls. If Afghanistan becomes "quieter" without some American military or diplomatic debacle, the President Obama will face polls that look better for him. If people start seeing benefits from the Health Care Reform, then polls will reflect that.  On the other side, should we get a double-dip recession, should Afghanistan "blow up" on America, or should the President have a scandal erupt, then polls will also show that.  I make no prediction that such things will happen, for the simple reason that I lack the pretended powers of an astrologer! But the rest?

I can say this -- although the incumbent President could conceivably lose the Presidency if his approval rating is around 50% six months before the election. It is possible that he might endure an economic collapse, a scandal, or a military or diplomatic debacle. It is also possible that the incumbent President might be an inept campaigner (which I can't imagine with Obama 2012, in view of the Obama 2008 campaign) or might be unable to show what he would do in a Second Act.  But this is certain: no President ever bets on good luck rescuing an embattled Presidency.  President Obama will call his achievements to attention, such as they are. He did keep his campaign promises, didn't he? He got a big legislative agenda passed, didn't he?  America is involved in at least one fewer war than it started with -- right? He will campaign if he must, and any challenger will have to undo doubts that the electorate must have. As an incumbent President, Barack Obama will have the advantage of being better known.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on September 19, 2010, 08:56:24 PM
Actually, I'd regard Pbrower as less of a hack as some of the Republicans here.

At least his viewpoint makes sense.  His belief is that Obama will get 10% more than his approval rating.  The logic is that some of those who disapprove of Obama are left-leaning indies who would vote for him anyway when the opponent is a Republican.

I disagree with the logic but it's still logic.  Pbrower may be an out of touch extreme liberal but he's not a hack.

Now, some of the "fiscally conservative"/Northeastern Republicans here are total hacks.

Do you even know what a hack is?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on September 19, 2010, 09:49:47 PM
 Maybe I should be more precise and say that "if the polls are like this in early 2012 (approval rating), I estimate this electoral result in November 2012". Polls are themselves estimates, and they can bounce around for no apparent reason.

Sorry, this was the base of my issues.  I Thought you were predicting re-election as of now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 19, 2010, 10:06:02 PM
 Maybe I should be more precise and say that "if the polls are like this in early 2012 (approval rating), I estimate this electoral result in November 2012". Polls are themselves estimates, and they can bounce around for no apparent reason.

Sorry, this was the base of my issues.  I Thought you were predicting re-election as of now.

Maybe I need to clarify that in my next post of how I interpret the most recent polls.

No way can I predict how the polls of early March 2012 will be, but I can show how the current polls suggest that President Obama would do if the polls of the day were to be much the same on such a date as March 1, 2012. After then we will have more of an idea of who the opponent will be (which of course would shape how some states go).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 20, 2010, 09:23:22 AM
New York State Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted September 16, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

     36% Strongly approve
     22% Somewhat approve
       8% Somewhat disapprove
     33% Strongly disapprove
      0% Not sure

Maryland Survey of 750 Likely Voters

Conducted September 15, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

 

   42% Strongly approve
   14% Somewhat approve
     6% Somewhat disapprove
   36% Strongly disapprove
     1% Not sure

Vermont Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted September 13, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

   

    41% Strongly approve
    22% Somewhat approve
      7% Somewhat disapprove
    30% Strongly disapprove
      0% Not sure





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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  159
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   61
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 83
white                        too close to call  46
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   23
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  66
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    114  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 20, 2010, 09:51:10 AM
Still no VA polls from any polling organization?



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 20, 2010, 10:06:03 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 44%, -1.

Disapprove 56%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, +1.

All numbers still in range.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on September 20, 2010, 10:18:11 AM
Pa, FL, VT, OH, NH, DE, MA, WI, IN, MD, & NY

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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on September 20, 2010, 10:28:52 AM
Did Rassy release a new VT poll that gave the same 63-37 approval as the last one they did like a few days ago? Uh?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 20, 2010, 11:50:58 AM
Did Rassy release a new VT poll that gave the same 63-37 approval as the last one they did like a few days ago? Uh?

They may have.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on September 20, 2010, 02:51:04 PM
Did Rassy release a new VT poll that gave the same 63-37 approval as the last one they did like a few days ago? Uh?

They may have.

No, actually, after checking, you just reposted a poll that you yourself posted 4 days ago. Nice job.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 20, 2010, 03:09:16 PM
Did Rassy release a new VT poll that gave the same 63-37 approval as the last one they did like a few days ago? Uh?

They may have.

No, actually, after checking, you just reposted a poll that you yourself posted 4 days ago. Nice job.

So I got it right twice.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 20, 2010, 05:52:16 PM
Rhode Island State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted September 16, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

 

33% Strongly approve
27% Somewhat approve
10% Somewhat disapprove
30% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure





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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  159
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   61
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 83
white                        too close to call  46
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   23
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  66
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    114  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on September 20, 2010, 07:50:15 PM
West Virginia Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted September 19, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?
18% Strongly approve
16% Somewhat approve
12% Somewhat disapprove
52% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on September 20, 2010, 11:56:14 PM
West Virginia Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted September 19, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?
18% Strongly approve
16% Somewhat approve
12% Somewhat disapprove
52% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure


Yikes!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 21, 2010, 12:10:27 AM
West Virginia Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted September 19, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?
18% Strongly approve
16% Somewhat approve
12% Somewhat disapprove
52% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure


Yikes!

Yikes, indeed!

That is probably not recoverable.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on September 21, 2010, 01:58:04 AM
It wasn't recoverable the day after he was elected...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 21, 2010, 05:49:10 AM
NJ (Monmouth University):

801 Adults: 48-43
726 RV: 47-44

http://www.monmouth.edu/polling/admin/polls/MUP35_1.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 21, 2010, 07:21:48 AM
Alaska Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted September 19, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly

approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been

doing?

   

    21% Strongly approve
    21% Somewhat approve
      9% Somewhat disapprove
    50% Strongly disapprove

      0% Not sure





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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  159
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   61
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 80
white                        too close to call  46
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   26
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  66
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    114  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on September 21, 2010, 08:58:21 AM
All I have to say is that there's seems to be quite a disconnect between the Northeast and the rest of the country when it comes to their opinion of the President. 

58% in New York, 56% in Maryland, 63% in Vermont, 60% in Rhode Island... all from the same polling company that has him at 44% nationally. Barack Obama would not be pulling that percentage of the vote in any of those states in 2012 if he only got 44% of the vote nationally (which is quite a beating). 

It's not a HUGE discrepancy, but it does seem that a lot of Obama's support seems to be quite disproportionally centered in the Northeast. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 21, 2010, 09:05:09 AM
FOX News/Pulse Opinion Research/Rasmussen:

Delaware: 45-46

Nevada: 40-52

California: 45-47

Pennsylvania: 37-54

Ohio: 38-57

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/21/fox-news-polls-track-tea-party-influence-battleground-states/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on September 21, 2010, 09:09:43 AM
FOX News/Pulse Opinion Research/Rasmussen:

Delaware: 45-46

Nevada: 40-52

California: 45-47

Pennsylvania: 37-54

Ohio: 38-57

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/21/fox-news-polls-track-tea-party-influence-battleground-states/

Yet Another set of polls where the Republicans are doing uniformly better with Young voters than with the state as a whole (O'Donnell only loses them 47-43 too).  It remains to be seen if either PPP or these other polls have the age breakdown correct.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 21, 2010, 09:10:57 AM
These state results from FOX would indicate that Obama is somewhere around 37-38% approval nationwide, where he isn't. He's between 44% and 47%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Capitan Zapp Brannigan on September 21, 2010, 09:13:57 AM
Still no VA polls from any polling organization?
No VA statewide races this year so why would they poll statewide approval?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 21, 2010, 09:14:13 AM
CNBC/Public Opinion Strategies/Hart Research:

47% Approve
49% Disapprove

http://www.cnbc.com/id/39268766/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on September 21, 2010, 10:04:26 AM
FOX News/Pulse Opinion Research/Rasmussen:

Delaware: 45-46

Nevada: 40-52

California: 45-47

Pennsylvania: 37-54

Ohio: 38-57

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/21/fox-news-polls-track-tea-party-influence-battleground-states/

Unfortunately for Republicans, nothing done for Fox News should be taken seriously, even if it is Rasmussen. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on September 21, 2010, 10:49:14 AM
FOX News/Pulse Opinion Research/Rasmussen:

Delaware: 45-46

Nevada: 40-52

California: 45-47

Pennsylvania: 37-54

Ohio: 38-57

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/21/fox-news-polls-track-tea-party-influence-battleground-states/

Unfortunately for Republicans, nothing done for Fox News should be taken seriously, even if it is Rasmussen. 
Unfortunately for members on this forum, nothing should be taken seriously about this thread or Pbrower's predictions for 2012.  He skews them in his favor.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 21, 2010, 10:56:39 AM
These state results from FOX would indicate that Obama is somewhere around 37-38% approval nationwide, where he isn't. He's between 44% and 47%.

Rasmussen polled Alaska, a state that went as firmly against Obama in 2008 (59-39 McCain/Palin), and Obama had a 42% approval there. Scott Rasmussen has far less of an investment in the Tea Party Movement than does Newspeak* Corporation. Newspeak Corporation has a huge stake in the Hard Right, and it has chosen its own narrative.

Rasmussen's approval polls for President Obama have shown him with approvals between 42% and 48% all summer. Polls that fit a specialized narrative and nothing else are best given due respect for their worth, which isn't much.

*Note the Orwell reference!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 21, 2010, 12:12:43 PM
Michigan Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted September 20, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

30% Strongly approve
19% Somewhat approve
  9% Somewhat disapprove
41% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure

California State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted September 20, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

       39% Strongly approve
       18% Somewhat approve
         7% Somewhat disapprove
       35% Strongly disapprove
         1% Not sure





(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  159
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   61
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 80
white                        too close to call  46
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   26
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  66
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    114  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on September 21, 2010, 12:22:13 PM
FOX News/Pulse Opinion Research/Rasmussen:

Delaware: 45-46

Nevada: 40-52

California: 45-47

Pennsylvania: 37-54

Ohio: 38-57

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/21/fox-news-polls-track-tea-party-influence-battleground-states/

Unfortunately for Republicans, nothing done for Fox News should be taken seriously, even if it is Rasmussen. 
Unfortunately for members on this forum, nothing should be taken seriously about this thread or Pbrower's predictions for 2012.  He skews them in his favor.

I look at the numbers in my own way, this is just a nice place to go since all the polls are in one place.

Rasmussen surely have the best idea of where the country is, but when they do a poll specifically to be shown on Fox News, which in my mind is not a news organization, I don't really pay attention to it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on September 21, 2010, 01:23:18 PM
FOX News/Pulse Opinion Research/Rasmussen:

Delaware: 45-46

Nevada: 40-52

California: 45-47

Pennsylvania: 37-54

Ohio: 38-57

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/21/fox-news-polls-track-tea-party-influence-battleground-states/

Unfortunately for Republicans, nothing done for Fox News should be taken seriously, even if it is Rasmussen.  
Unfortunately for members on this forum, nothing should be taken seriously about this thread or Pbrower's predictions for 2012.  He skews them in his favor.

I look at the numbers in my own way, this is just a nice place to go since all the polls are in one place.

Rasmussen surely have the best idea of where the country is, but when they do a poll specifically to be shown on Fox News, which in my mind is not a news organization, I don't really pay attention to it.

Are you bothered that statistical analysis of past Fox News polls doesn't back up your claim at all?


...thanks.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on September 21, 2010, 02:43:53 PM
Rasmussen Reports (independently of Fox News) is out with a new poll that has Obama at 57% statewide approval in CA.  We need to see what they get independently of Fox News in a couple of the other Fox News/POR states, but the CA result makes the POR polls look more than a little suspicious.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on September 21, 2010, 02:49:18 PM
FOX News/Pulse Opinion Research/Rasmussen:

Delaware: 45-46

Nevada: 40-52

California: 45-47

Pennsylvania: 37-54

Ohio: 38-57

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/21/fox-news-polls-track-tea-party-influence-battleground-states/

Unfortunately for Republicans, nothing done for Fox News should be taken seriously, even if it is Rasmussen.  
Unfortunately for members on this forum, nothing should be taken seriously about this thread or Pbrower's predictions for 2012.  He skews them in his favor.

I look at the numbers in my own way, this is just a nice place to go since all the polls are in one place.

Rasmussen surely have the best idea of where the country is, but when they do a poll specifically to be shown on Fox News, which in my mind is not a news organization, I don't really pay attention to it.

Are you bothered that statistical analysis of past Fox News polls doesn't back up your claim at all?


...thanks.

See post before this one. 

(And I'm sure it being election season affects what will be broadcast on the official mouthpiece of the GOP)

I've always noticed some Fox News/Rasmussen polls to be skewed against Democrats.  I wouldn't be making that claim if I hadn't noticed it.  The newest numbers are suspect to say the least.  45% in Delaware?  37% in Pennsylvania?  When RECENT independent Rasmussen polls have shown Obama in the mid-50s in Delaware and high 40s in Pennsylvania?  Uhhh... nah, man.  I'll ignore Fox thank you very much.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on September 21, 2010, 02:57:02 PM
PPP: West Virginia

30-64


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 21, 2010, 03:03:35 PM
FOX News/Pulse Opinion Research/Rasmussen:

Delaware: 45-46

Nevada: 40-52

California: 45-47

Pennsylvania: 37-54

Ohio: 38-57

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/21/fox-news-polls-track-tea-party-influence-battleground-states/
Pbrower, make sure to add these.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 21, 2010, 03:06:10 PM

Yikes, again!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 21, 2010, 03:23:56 PM
FOX News/Pulse Opinion Research/Rasmussen:

Delaware: 45-46

Nevada: 40-52

California: 45-47

Pennsylvania: 37-54

Ohio: 38-57

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/21/fox-news-polls-track-tea-party-influence-battleground-states/
Pbrower, make sure to add these.

Right -- when this one is available:

California State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted September 20, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

       39% Strongly approve
       18% Somewhat approve
         7% Somewhat disapprove
       35% Strongly disapprove
         1% Not sure

...something is wrong with a "news" organization which tries to shape political life by putting out polls that it likes.

FoX News/Opinion Dynamics had objective polling in 2008 -- but NOT NOW!

If I see anything it is the statewide polarization characteristic of 2008.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 21, 2010, 05:56:54 PM
FOX News/Pulse Opinion Research/Rasmussen:

Delaware: 45-46

Nevada: 40-52

California: 45-47

Pennsylvania: 37-54

Ohio: 38-57

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/21/fox-news-polls-track-tea-party-influence-battleground-states/
Pbrower, make sure to add these.

Right -- when this one is available:

California State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted September 20, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

       39% Strongly approve
       18% Somewhat approve
         7% Somewhat disapprove
       35% Strongly disapprove
         1% Not sure

...something is wrong with a "news" organization which tries to shape political life by putting out polls that it likes.

FoX News/Opinion Dynamics had objective polling in 2008 -- but NOT NOW!

If I see anything it is the statewide polarization characteristic of 2008.

I'm not sure what the poll does to "shape political life" except to indicate that Obama has a good chance of Carrying California, which every Democrat has done since 1992.  ::)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 21, 2010, 06:15:34 PM
FOX News/Pulse Opinion Research/Rasmussen:

Delaware: 45-46

Nevada: 40-52

California: 45-47

Pennsylvania: 37-54

Ohio: 38-57

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/21/fox-news-polls-track-tea-party-influence-battleground-states/
Pbrower, make sure to add these.

Right -- when this one is available:

California State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted September 20, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

       39% Strongly approve
       18% Somewhat approve
         7% Somewhat disapprove
       35% Strongly disapprove
         1% Not sure

...something is wrong with a "news" organization which tries to shape political life by putting out polls that it likes.

FoX News/Opinion Dynamics had objective polling in 2008 -- but NOT NOW!

If I see anything it is the statewide polarization characteristic of 2008.
Balance the two, you have always done that before, especially in North Carolina. You still need to add the other polls too. There is no reason for you to reject these when you take CNN ones.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on September 21, 2010, 08:57:22 PM
FOX News/Pulse Opinion Research/Rasmussen:

Delaware: 45-46

Nevada: 40-52

California: 45-47

Pennsylvania: 37-54

Ohio: 38-57

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/21/fox-news-polls-track-tea-party-influence-battleground-states/
Pbrower, make sure to add these.

Right -- when this one is available:

California State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted September 20, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

       39% Strongly approve
       18% Somewhat approve
         7% Somewhat disapprove
       35% Strongly disapprove
         1% Not sure

...something is wrong with a "news" organization which tries to shape political life by putting out polls that it likes.

FoX News/Opinion Dynamics had objective polling in 2008 -- but NOT NOW!

If I see anything it is the statewide polarization characteristic of 2008.
Balance the two, you have always done that before, especially in North Carolina. You still need to add the other polls too. There is no reason for you to reject these when you take CNN ones.

I agree with what you say. Pbrower, balance out the polls if you only accept CNN over Fox News or alot of people will stop taking your polls seriously.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on September 21, 2010, 09:28:25 PM
RI, WV, NJ, AK, DE, NV, CA (averaged both polls), PA, OH, & MI


(
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30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 21, 2010, 09:59:46 PM
(
)

30% Or Lower: Red-9
40%-30% Approval: Red-5
40-44% Approval: Red-4
45-49% Approval: Yellow-3
50% Approval Equal: Yellow-1 (White)
50% Approval Greater: Green-3
50-55%: Green-4
56-59%: Green-6
60%+: Green-8
DC - Blue -

O=Obama '08 State
M=McCain '08 State

Trying out my own color scheme - I don't like PBrower2's or JBrase's, so I'm trying this one out. Let me know what you think.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on September 21, 2010, 10:51:43 PM
CNBC/Public Opinion Strategies/Hart Research:

47% Approve
49% Disapprove

http://www.cnbc.com/id/39268766/

Bradley effect.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 21, 2010, 11:58:39 PM
(
)

30% Or Lower: Red-9
40%-30% Approval: Red-5
40-44% Approval: Red-4
45-49% Approval: Yellow-3
50% Approval Equal: Yellow-1 (White)
50% Approval Greater: Green-3
50-55%: Green-4
56-59%: Green-6
60%+: Green-8
DC - Blue -

O=Obama '08 State
M=McCain '08 State

Trying out my own color scheme - I don't like PBrower2's or JBrase's, so I'm trying this one out. Let me know what you think.

The "M" and "O" on your map is well-known material that will be completely irrelevant in 2012, and we all know the map well.   You could have a number or letter to show the age of the poll or a prediction of electoral votes. 

You have an attractive color scheme. 

How does Obama have a 50-50 tie in North Dakota? That must be an oversight.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on September 22, 2010, 12:08:54 AM
(
)

30% Or Lower: Red-9
40%-30% Approval: Red-5
40-44% Approval: Red-4
45-49% Approval: Yellow-3
50% Approval Equal: Yellow-1 (White)
50% Approval Greater: Green-3
50-55%: Green-4
56-59%: Green-6
60%+: Green-8
DC - Blue -

O=Obama '08 State
M=McCain '08 State

Trying out my own color scheme - I don't like PBrower2's or JBrase's, so I'm trying this one out. Let me know what you think.

I don't mind your colour scheme. I think red v green is a good indicator of approval/disapproval. The only thing I'd change is getting rid of the Maine and Nebraska CDs (unless a poll specifically separates them) - otherwise you're guessing and that sort of guess work is not polled and shouldn't be included in a poll map. You can get rid of the CDs by using a map from (I think) the 1964 election (?) something like that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on September 22, 2010, 01:19:09 AM
(
)

30% Or Lower: Red-9
40%-30% Approval: Red-5
40-44% Approval: Red-4
45-49% Approval: Yellow-3
50% Approval Equal: Yellow-1 (White)
50% Approval Greater: Green-3
50-55%: Green-4
56-59%: Green-6
60%+: Green-8
DC - Blue -

O=Obama '08 State
M=McCain '08 State

Trying out my own color scheme - I don't like PBrower2's or JBrase's, so I'm trying this one out. Let me know what you think.

I don't mind your colour scheme. I think red v green is a good indicator of approval/disapproval. The only thing I'd change is getting rid of the Maine and Nebraska CDs (unless a poll specifically separates them) - otherwise you're guessing and that sort of guess work is not polled and shouldn't be included in a poll map. You can get rid of the CDs by using a map from (I think) the 1964 election (?) something like that.

     In the EV Calculator, one of the display options is to disable displaying Congressional Districts.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 22, 2010, 09:14:10 AM
FOX News/Pulse Opinion Research/Rasmussen:

Delaware: 45-46

Nevada: 40-52

California: 45-47

Pennsylvania: 37-54

Ohio: 38-57

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/21/fox-news-polls-track-tea-party-influence-battleground-states/
Pbrower, make sure to add these.

Right -- when this one is available:

California State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted September 20, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

       39% Strongly approve
       18% Somewhat approve
         7% Somewhat disapprove
       35% Strongly disapprove
         1% Not sure

...something is wrong with a "news" organization which tries to shape political life by putting out polls that it likes.

FoX News/Opinion Dynamics had objective polling in 2008 -- but NOT NOW!

If I see anything it is the statewide polarization characteristic of 2008.
Balance the two, you have always done that before, especially in North Carolina. You still need to add the other polls too. There is no reason for you to reject these when you take CNN ones.

I agree with what you say. Pbrower, balance out the polls if you only accept CNN over Fox News or alot of people will stop taking your polls seriously.

FoX News is an oxymoron.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 22, 2010, 09:18:30 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +2.

Disapprove 52%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -2.

All numbers still in range.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 22, 2010, 09:40:23 AM
FOX News/Pulse Opinion Research/Rasmussen:

Delaware: 45-46

Nevada: 40-52

California: 45-47

Pennsylvania: 37-54

Ohio: 38-57

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/21/fox-news-polls-track-tea-party-influence-battleground-states/
Pbrower, make sure to add these.

Right -- when this one is available:

California State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted September 20, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

       39% Strongly approve
       18% Somewhat approve
         7% Somewhat disapprove
       35% Strongly disapprove
         1% Not sure

...something is wrong with a "news" organization which tries to shape political life by putting out polls that it likes.

FoX News/Opinion Dynamics had objective polling in 2008 -- but NOT NOW!

If I see anything it is the statewide polarization characteristic of 2008.
Balance the two, you have always done that before, especially in North Carolina. You still need to add the other polls too. There is no reason for you to reject these when you take CNN ones.

I agree with what you say. Pbrower, balance out the polls if you only accept CNN over Fox News or alot of people will stop taking your polls seriously.

FoX News is an oxymoron.
Pbrower, you will lose any credibility you still have if you don't include the FOX polls. Because let's face it, if those polls were very pro-Obama, you would have immediately added them. You just don't want to because they aren't good for your messiah.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on September 22, 2010, 10:55:01 AM
Look at this guy, he doesn't even bother. What a tool!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 22, 2010, 01:10:29 PM
Maine State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted September 20, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

  

    29% Strongly approve

    18% Somewhat approve

      9% Somewhat disapprove

    43% Strongly disapprove

      1% Not sure





(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  159
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   62
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 83
white                        too close to call  44
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   25
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  66
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    114  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 22, 2010, 02:47:55 PM
Nebraska should be a blue state.

Anyways, here's mine, I removed Congressional Districts on request and added the Maine poll:

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30% Or Lower: Red-9
40%-30% Approval: Red-5
40-44% Approval: Red-4
45-49% Approval: Yellow-3
50% Approval Equal: Yellow-1 (White)
50% Approval Greater: Green-3
50-55%: Green-4
56-59%: Green-6
60%+: Green-8
DC - Blue -

NOTE: I can't get the Maine/Nebraska lettering to work:

MAINE-RASMUSSEN
NEBRASKA-UNKNOWN

POLLING KEY:
R-Rasmussen Reports
PPP-Public Policy Polling
U-Unknown*

*I'm only going to use this for ones that I took from pbrower's map, these will be disappearing soon enough.

I will NOT use any Media Polling - no MSNBC, CNN, or FOX.

2012

This tab will show the current likelihood of the GOP taking back the white house. I take the current leading GOP hopeful and current approval ratings to predict what the map may start out like before campaigning and polling. This map shows, essentially, what the situation would look like if the campaign began tomorrow.

(
)

Assured Obama - 6
Safe Obama - 124
Likely Obama - 28
Leaning Obama - 105
Tossup - 24
Leaning Romney - 16
Likely Romney - 118
Safe Romney - 103
Assured Romney - 15

Obama - 259
Romney - 255
Tossup - 24


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 22, 2010, 03:13:04 PM
Correction made. Tpyos happen.

I am beginning to see the problem with media, especially those that act as if they have a stake in the transformation of America.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 22, 2010, 03:16:21 PM
Illinois Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted September 21, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

     

34% Strongly approve
       18% Somewhat approve
        10% Somewhat disapprove
       38% Strongly disapprove
         0% Not sure





(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  139
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  82
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 83
white                        too close to call  44
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   25
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  66
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    114  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......

[/quote]


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on September 22, 2010, 03:19:30 PM
FOX News/Pulse Opinion Research/Rasmussen:

Delaware: 45-46

Nevada: 40-52

California: 45-47

Pennsylvania: 37-54

Ohio: 38-57

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/21/fox-news-polls-track-tea-party-influence-battleground-states/
Pbrower, make sure to add these.

Right -- when this one is available:

California State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted September 20, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

       39% Strongly approve
       18% Somewhat approve
         7% Somewhat disapprove
       35% Strongly disapprove
         1% Not sure

...something is wrong with a "news" organization which tries to shape political life by putting out polls that it likes.

FoX News/Opinion Dynamics had objective polling in 2008 -- but NOT NOW!

If I see anything it is the statewide polarization characteristic of 2008.
Balance the two, you have always done that before, especially in North Carolina. You still need to add the other polls too. There is no reason for you to reject these when you take CNN ones.

I agree with what you say. Pbrower, balance out the polls if you only accept CNN over Fox News or alot of people will stop taking your polls seriously.

FoX News is an oxymoron.
Pbrower, you will lose any credibility you still have if you don't include the FOX polls. Because let's face it, if those polls were very pro-Obama, you would have immediately added them. You just don't want to because they aren't good for your messiah.

He does pull a lot of pro-Obama bullsh**te, but would you agree or disagree that FoxNews is a legitimate NEWS source?  In this particular case, I would have to agree with him in ignoring these polls.  When the SAME company polls California independently and gets a very believable number, then polls for an organization that is known for extreme right wing bias and gets a radically different number that is on the low end of the spectrum you have to question the credibility.  

And before you jump down my throat I also ignore PPP polls due to their affiliation with the Democrats.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 22, 2010, 04:00:39 PM
FOX News/Pulse Opinion Research/Rasmussen:

Delaware: 45-46

Nevada: 40-52

California: 45-47

Pennsylvania: 37-54

Ohio: 38-57

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/21/fox-news-polls-track-tea-party-influence-battleground-states/
Pbrower, make sure to add these.

Right -- when this one is available:

California State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted September 20, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

       39% Strongly approve
       18% Somewhat approve
         7% Somewhat disapprove
       35% Strongly disapprove
         1% Not sure

...something is wrong with a "news" organization which tries to shape political life by putting out polls that it likes.

FoX News/Opinion Dynamics had objective polling in 2008 -- but NOT NOW!

If I see anything it is the statewide polarization characteristic of 2008.
Balance the two, you have always done that before, especially in North Carolina. You still need to add the other polls too. There is no reason for you to reject these when you take CNN ones.

I agree with what you say. Pbrower, balance out the polls if you only accept CNN over Fox News or alot of people will stop taking your polls seriously.

FoX News is an oxymoron.
Pbrower, you will lose any credibility you still have if you don't include the FOX polls. Because let's face it, if those polls were very pro-Obama, you would have immediately added them. You just don't want to because they aren't good for your messiah.

And before you jump down my throat I also ignore PPP polls due to their affiliation with the Democrats.  

I took the WV PPP poll, only because I believe PPP got something right (for once), it was 34-60 I believe.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 22, 2010, 04:10:28 PM
I like your maps, Scifiguy. The only thing I would probably argue is that Michigan is probably only leaning Romney,  and Massachusetts is probably Safe Democrat. I'd also recommend moving Utah to Assured Romney, given the "Mormon factor".


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on September 22, 2010, 06:46:03 PM
Anyways, here's mine, I removed Congressional Districts on request and added the Maine poll:

Looks good, thanks!

I think you're making the right call on media polls - and by spelling it out in advance and making a blanket decision about it now, no one can accuse you of bias/hackery later when you don't include one.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on September 22, 2010, 07:03:43 PM
Aren't the Fox News polls simply Rasmussen polls that have been ordered by Fox?  It's the polling organization that conducts the poll that matters, not the news organization that buys them.  Rejecting all "media polls" is kind of silly.  Half the polls out there are "media polls", when you add up everything done for CNN, Fox News, NBC, ABC, CBS, NYT, USA Today, AP, Reuters, McClatchy, etc.  Should you reject a Gallup poll because they've partnered with USA Today?  USA Today didn't conduct the poll.  They're just buying it.

EDIT: OK, apparently, those Fox polls are by Pulse Opinion Research, which is simply a spinoff of Rasmussen Reports:

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/09/14/about_those_fox_news_polls.html

Quote
Mark Blumenthal spoke to Rasmussen who confirmed "that surveys conducted by Pulse for Fox News and for Rasmussen reports are essentially equivalent in terms of their calling, sampling and weighting procedures."

I don't see why you would reject these polls if you're accepting Rasmussen polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 23, 2010, 08:27:27 AM
Georgia Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted September 21, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

30% Strongly approve
17% Somewhat approve
 4% Somewhat disapprove
48% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure

...something of a surprise here.

Missouri State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted September 21, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

    31% Strongly approve
    15% Somewhat approve
       6% Somewhat disapprove
    47% Strongly disapprove
      1% Not sure

The two states that Barack Obama barely lost in 2008  look very competitive. Pretty good for him, I would say. Indiana would be interesting again.

North Dakota  State Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted on September 20-21, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

 

  20% Strongly approve
  17% Somewhat approve
  11% Somewhat disapprove
  51% Strongly disapprove

    1% Not sure


(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  139
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  82
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 110
white                        too close to call  44
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   25
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  36
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    117  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on September 23, 2010, 09:18:03 AM
Aren't the Fox News polls simply Rasmussen polls that have been ordered by Fox?

Polling is a two-step business. Someone writes the poll questions, and then someone conducts the polls.

In both Rasmussen and Fox, the same people are conducting the polls, though different people are writing the questions. The "writing the questions" part is actually tricky business, and can dramatically swing the results of a poll one way or another.

That being said, this is just Pbrower being Pbrower. There's absolutely no reason to exclude Fox polls. He's just being his usual, cat drugged self.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on September 23, 2010, 09:44:19 AM
I wonder why Obama is doing so anomalously well in the more urbanized Southern states?  He is polling better in GA and FL than CO or NV.  NC approvals are right at the national average in Rasmussen polling.  He is doing as well in GA and FL as he is in NH and ME!  I wonder what VA looks like right now? 

Are GA, NC and FL now friendlier to Obama than PA or CO and NV?   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on September 23, 2010, 09:47:22 AM
I wonder why Obama is doing so anomalously well in the more urbanized Southern states?  He is polling better in GA and FL than CO or NV.

Black people?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 23, 2010, 09:53:39 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, +1.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.

All numbers still in range, but at the edge of Obama's "good numbers" range.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on September 23, 2010, 10:00:12 AM
I wonder why Obama is doing so anomalously well in the more urbanized Southern states?  He is polling better in GA and FL than CO or NV.

Black people?

Extrapolating backward suggests he would have carried NC, GA, and FL in 2008 by about the same margin as VA.  This is way off from reality, which suggests an underlying trend toward Obama in the coastal South.  There is also a much more widely discussed trend away from Obama apparent in the Rust Belt and maybe the Rocky Mountain West.  Remember when Montana just barely voted for McCain?  That won't be happening again in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 23, 2010, 10:42:39 AM
I wonder why Obama is doing so anomalously well in the more urbanized Southern states?  He is polling better in GA and FL than CO or NV.

Black people?

Extrapolating backward suggests he would have carried NC, GA, and FL in 2008 by about the same margin as VA.  This is way off from reality, which suggests an underlying trend toward Obama in the coastal South.  There is also a much more widely discussed trend away from Obama apparent in the Rust Belt and maybe the Rocky Mountain West.  Remember when Montana just barely voted for McCain?  That won't be happening again in 2012.


...add Missouri, which is about half-southern (roughly everything south of the Missouri River except for Greater Kansas City and St. Louis)

It could be that white Southerners are beginning to think that even if they don't like their own black people as potential leaders, President Obama isn't "that sort" of black man. He has not proved soft on crime, he hasn't taken away firearms, he hasn't cut off farm subsidies in very rural states, and he hasn't called for massive handouts of welfare. He has proved about as troublesome to conservative white people on such issues as (ahem!) Clarence Thomas. The "fear factor" has gone.

It could also be that Southerners are far more deferential to the Armed Forces than are others. President Obama has successfully extricated US combat forces from Iraq. That can only help him in the South.

In 2008, he carried all large cities and their suburbs outside the South except perhaps Greater Phoenix and Greater Tucson (favorite son effect, of course, and that will not be an advantage for Republicans in Arizona in 2012).  He did much the same in Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida. It could be that the Republicans failed to recognize (unlike Obama) that Suburbia has problems other than "high taxes" that Republicans long successfully ran against in Suburbia.  Obama campaigned heavily in Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida all electoral season --- and won them.   He campaigned long in Georgia and gave up at a point, and almost won the state.

The Rust Belt, Nevada, and Colorado have big economic problems that have no obvious and fast solutions for the economic distress that the states endure. Do Republicans have solutions just by being Republicans? Rick Snyder has a huge lead in a gubernatorial race in Michigan, a state that Obama won by a margin in the high teens.  Incumbent Senator Russ Feingold is in big trouble in Wisconsin against a Hard Right Republican. 

We shall see.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 23, 2010, 10:50:49 AM
New York (Quinnipiac):

47% Approve
48% Disapprove

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1505

(lolz)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 23, 2010, 10:56:58 AM
Michigan (PPP):

42-54

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_MI_923.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: TheDeadFlagBlues on September 23, 2010, 11:09:05 AM
Michigan (PPP):

42-54

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_MI_923.pdf
That poll has scary internals.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 23, 2010, 11:26:27 AM
New York (Quinnipiac):

47% Approve
48% Disapprove

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1505

(lolz)

Ouch!!!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on September 23, 2010, 12:22:12 PM
Bradley effect in full swing with the Obama approval numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on September 23, 2010, 03:53:16 PM
This thread is far funnier than most of its participants realise.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 23, 2010, 04:16:15 PM
Aren't the Fox News polls simply Rasmussen polls that have been ordered by Fox?

Polling is a two-step business. Someone writes the poll questions, and then someone conducts the polls.

In both Rasmussen and Fox, the same people are conducting the polls, though different people are writing the questions. The "writing the questions" part is actually tricky business, and can dramatically swing the results of a poll one way or another.

That being said, this is just Pbrower being Pbrower. There's absolutely no reason to exclude Fox polls. He's just being his usual, cat drugged self.

Has Fox News released the questions they're asking with their polls?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 23, 2010, 04:23:09 PM
Bradley effect in full swing with the Obama approval numbers.

Excuse me? What in gods name does the Bradley Effect have to do with approval ratings?

Oh, forget it your probably trolling.



Took the PPP poll and pbrower's other , and sorry but the Quinnipiac poll is a bit of a bad sample IMO, but I decided to take it. I'm evening it out to mean that current approval is at around 54%.

(
)

30% Or Lower: Red-9
40%-30% Approval: Red-5
40-44% Approval: Red-4
45-49% Approval: Yellow-3
50% Approval Equal: Yellow-1 (White)
50% Approval Greater: Green-3
50-55%: Green-4
56-59%: Green-6
60%+: Green-8
DC - Blue -

NOTE: I can't get the Maine/Nebraska lettering to work:

MAINE-RASMUSSEN
NEBRASKA-UNKNOWN

POLLING KEY:
R-Rasmussen Reports
PPP-Public Policy Polling
Q-Quinnipiac
U-Unknown*

*I'm only going to use this for ones that I took from pbrower's map, these will be disappearing soon enough.

I will NOT use any Media Polling - no MSNBC, CNN, or FOX.

2012

This tab will show the current likelihood of the GOP taking back the white house. I take the current leading GOP hopeful and current approval ratings to predict what the map may start out like before campaigning and polling. This map shows, essentially, what the situation would look like if the campaign began tomorrow.

(
)

Assured Obama - 6
Safe Obama - 124
Likely Obama - 28
Leaning Obama - 108
Tossup - 24
Leaning Romney - 0
Likely Romney - 107
Safe Romney - 103
Assured Romney - 15

Obama - 270
Romney - 244
Tossup - 24


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on September 23, 2010, 07:45:19 PM
NIce maps Odysseus.  One quibble though.  I would change "Romney" to "Republican" as we have no idea who the nominee will be in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on September 23, 2010, 08:09:10 PM
Bradley effect in full swing with the Obama approval numbers.

Excuse me? What in gods name does the Bradley Effect have to do with approval ratings?

Oh, forget it your probably trolling.

Well, I mean, if the Bradley Effect existed, wouldn't it affect approval ratings as much, if not more, than horserace numbers?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 23, 2010, 08:38:57 PM
Not that anyone thinks that President Obama has a serious chance of winning Alabama, this is something of a surprise:

Alabama Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted September 21, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

34% Strongly approve
  7% Somewhat approve
  6% Somewhat disapprove
52% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure


(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  139
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  82
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 110
white                        too close to call  44
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   25
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  45
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    108  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......


[/quote]


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on September 23, 2010, 08:57:23 PM
all things considered, 58-41 disapproval in Alabama is really good.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 23, 2010, 09:06:12 PM
NIce maps Odysseus.  One quibble though.  I would change "Romney" to "Republican" as we have no idea who the nominee will be in 2012.

As I said, I choose the leading candidate based off the polls. That feature will become more useful around January of 2011.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 23, 2010, 09:20:10 PM
New York (Quinnipiac):

47% Approve
48% Disapprove

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1505

(lolz)

Ouch!!!

If you think that's accurate I have some beach... well... you get the point.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 23, 2010, 09:33:02 PM
Added Alabama

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30% Or Lower: Red-9
40%-30% Approval: Red-5
40-44% Approval: Red-4
45-49% Approval: Yellow-3
50% Approval Equal: Yellow-1 (White)
50% Approval Greater: Green-3
50-55%: Green-4
56-59%: Green-6
60%+: Green-8
DC - Blue -

NOTE: I can't get the Maine/Nebraska lettering to work:

MAINE-RASMUSSEN
NEBRASKA-UNKNOWN

POLLING KEY:
R-Rasmussen Reports
PPP-Public Policy Polling
Q-Quinnipiac
U-Unknown*

*I'm only going to use this for ones that I took from pbrower's map, these will be disappearing soon enough.

I will NOT use any Media Polling - no MSNBC, CNN, or FOX.

2012

This tab will show the current likelihood of the GOP taking back the white house. I take the current leading GOP hopeful and current approval ratings to predict what the map may start out like before campaigning and polling. This map shows, essentially, what the situation would look like if the campaign began tomorrow.

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Assured Obama - 6
Safe Obama - 124
Likely Obama - 28
Leaning Obama - 108
Tossup - 24
Leaning Romney - 0
Likely Romney - 107
Safe Romney - 103
Assured Romney - 15

Obama - 270
Romney - 244
Tossup - 24


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on September 23, 2010, 09:47:31 PM
Not that anyone thinks that President Obama has a serious chance of winning Alabama, this is something of a surprise:

Alabama Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted September 21, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

34% Strongly approve
  7% Somewhat approve
  6% Somewhat disapprove
52% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure


(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  139
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  82
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 110
white                        too close to call  44
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   25
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  45
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    108  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......


[/quote]
You need to add the New York poll. You can't keep ignoring polls you don't like.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Republic on September 23, 2010, 10:10:43 PM
Guys, just because he posts in this thread all the time doesn't mean you can't put him on ignore.  Trust me, it makes things much easier.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on September 23, 2010, 10:59:48 PM
all things considered, 58-41 disapproval in Alabama is really good.

Very true.  I find this quite interesting.  Possible depolarization across the states?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Beet on September 23, 2010, 11:05:13 PM
all things considered, 58-41 disapproval in Alabama is really good.

Very true.  I find this quite interesting.  Possible depolarization across the states?

Black people.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 23, 2010, 11:10:01 PM
New York (Quinnipiac):

47% Approve
48% Disapprove

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1505

(lolz)

Ouch!!!

If you think that's accurate I have some beach... well... you get the point.



But it's BRTD's favorite college pollster!!!!  ;)

Actually, Q is generally extremely accurate for NY.  I'd suspect an outlier, but a little erosion in Obama's numbers there wouldn't surprise me.   

Interestingly, there only 6 point gap in the Senate race.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Beet on September 23, 2010, 11:16:53 PM
Well, his state polls and his national polls certainly aren't matching up.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: TheDeadFlagBlues on September 24, 2010, 12:40:37 AM
Well, his state polls and his national polls certainly aren't matching up.
LV screen vs RV screen.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 24, 2010, 12:50:32 AM
Well, his state polls and his national polls certainly aren't matching up.


Rasmussen has shown nationwide approval ratings for the President between 41% to 49% this summer. Such could be statistical noise -- or perhaps the news cycle. The oddly-high polls for Alabama, Georgia, and Missouri today could be the result of a "good" day for the President. If he gets 44% in Texas I will be amazed -- but not so amazed if the Daily Tracking Poll shows 50%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 24, 2010, 07:16:42 AM
Minnesota State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted September 22, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

28% Strongly approve
20% Somewhat approve
  9% Somewhat disapprove
43% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  139
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  82
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 110
white                        too close to call  44
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   25
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  45
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    108  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on September 24, 2010, 08:42:44 AM
Minnesota State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted September 22, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

28% Strongly approve
20% Somewhat approve
  9% Somewhat disapprove
43% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  139
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  82
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 110
white                        too close to call  44
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   25
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  45
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    108  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......


[/quote]
[/quote]

Looks like Montana is following the national trend.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 24, 2010, 08:43:31 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, -1.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.

All numbers still in range, but at the edge of Obama's "good numbers" range.

We should know with tomorrow's numbers if these are good sample dropping out or if there has been some improvement.

If there is a big drop, I wouldn't read too much into it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on September 24, 2010, 09:29:16 AM
all things considered, 58-41 disapproval in Alabama is really good.

Very true.  I find this quite interesting.  Possible depolarization across the states?

Black people.

Obama only got 39% in 2008 winning like 95% of the black vote, so that's a half-assed explanation.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 24, 2010, 09:30:49 AM
Speaking of Texas:

Texas Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted on September 22, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

      

26% Strongly approve
13% Somewhat approve
  6% Somewhat disapprove
55% Strongly disapprove
  1% Not sure

The gubernatorial race is tightening up. Could Texans be tiring of the successor of George W. Bush? Maybe not fast enough.

South Carolina State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted September 22, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President…do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

  

    27% Strongly approve
    11% Somewhat approve
      9% Somewhat disapprove
    52% Strongly disapprove
      1% Not sure

 

2* How would you rate the job Mark Sanford has been doing as Governor…do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

  

    18% Strongly approve
    37% Somewhat approve
    18% Somewhat disapprove
    25% Strongly disapprove
      1% Not sure

Don't cry for me, Argentina!

Oklahoma State Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted September 23, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

    21% Strongly approve
    10% Somewhat approve
      7% Somewhat disapprove
    60% Strongly disapprove
     2% Not sure


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  139
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  82
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 110
white                        too close to call  44
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   6
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  9
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    151  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 24, 2010, 11:10:41 AM
all things considered, 58-41 disapproval in Alabama is really good.

Very true.  I find this quite interesting.  Possible depolarization across the states?

Black people.

Obama only got 39% in 2008 winning like 95% of the black vote, so that's a half-assed explanation.



If white Alabamans voted for Obama like white Kentuckians did, Obama would win Alabama and Mississippi in landslides.

Of course, if Packard hadn't merged with Studebaker, then Packard Motor Car Company might be making some very good automobiles.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 24, 2010, 11:32:42 AM
CNN: 42-54

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/09/24/obama.approval.poll/index.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on September 24, 2010, 11:40:54 AM
Obama only got 39% in 2008 winning like 95% of the black vote, so that's a half-assed explanation.

I dunno, it seems quite likely to me.

Regardless, it never ceases to amaze me that our fave cat drugger can find the silver lining in a poll where 52% strongly disapprove of the president because of his weird "plus 6" fantasy.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on September 24, 2010, 12:20:33 PM
So Obama's seen some improvement in the Coastal South (Latest ras has him 51-48 in Florida), while seeing larger than average drops in the Midwest.

Unfortunately for him, that's unlikely to help his re-election chances, given that the GOP can afford to drop 5-7 points in that region if it means getting Obama underwater in Minnesota or Pennsylvania.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 24, 2010, 01:27:12 PM
Obama only got 39% in 2008 winning like 95% of the black vote, so that's a half-assed explanation.

I dunno, it seems quite likely to me.

Regardless, it never ceases to amaze me that (pbrower2a) can find the silver lining in a poll where 52% strongly disapprove of the president because of his weird "plus 6" fantasy.

Obama lost the state 60-39. With the 58-41 spread in approvals, any chance of Obama winning Alabama is slim.  But look at the difference, and it may suggest some trend that bodes ill for the GOP Presidential nominee in 2012.

Alabama was one of the worst states for Obama in 2008, his 45th-best, and he could win it only in about a 45-state landslide.  About the only way that he wins it in something "less" than a 45-state landslide is if he gets out of Afghanistan with no problems remaining.

My seat-of-the-pants estimate of the likelihood of Obama winning Alabama is about 1%. Higher chance than Utah or Wyoming.

More significantly, it fortifies the idea that a 47% approval rating in Georgia isn't out of the question. Except that Greater Atlanta is far bigger than Greater Birmingham, Alabama and Georgia would seem to have similar demographics. 


 







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on September 24, 2010, 01:57:52 PM
Obama lost the state 60-39. With the 58-41 spread in approvals, any chance of Obama winning Alabama is slim.  But look at the difference, and it may suggest some trend that bodes ill for the GOP Presidential nominee in 2012.

Alabama was one of the worst states for Obama in 2008, his 45th-best, and he could win it only in about a 45-state landslide.  About the only way that he wins it in something "less" than a 45-state landslide is if he gets out of Afghanistan with no problems remaining.

My seat-of-the-pants estimate of the likelihood of Obama winning Alabama is about 1%. Higher chance than Utah or Wyoming.

More significantly, it fortifies the idea that a 47% approval rating in Georgia isn't out of the question. Except that Greater Atlanta is far bigger than Greater Birmingham, Alabama and Georgia would seem to have similar demographics.

States shift back and forth all the time. If there is any benefit to Obama in Alabama, it is purely a local phenomenon (or one that applies to Alabaman demographics) and not something that's happening nationwide.

If anything, Republicans should be glad that the erosion in their vote is currently happening in safe Republican states. The erosion in the Democrats' vote right now is primarily happening in the midwest (at least for the 2010 elections, which you have to admit are at least somewhat nationalized), and those states were hardly safe for Gore, Kerry, or Obama.

Trends right now favor Republicans. There's no doubt about that. Democrats are unenthused. Half the problem is complacency. The other half of the problem is Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 24, 2010, 02:06:42 PM
Obama lost the state 60-39. With the 58-41 spread in approvals, any chance of Obama winning Alabama is slim.  But look at the difference, and it may suggest some trend that bodes ill for the GOP Presidential nominee in 2012.

Alabama was one of the worst states for Obama in 2008, his 45th-best, and he could win it only in about a 45-state landslide.  About the only way that he wins it in something "less" than a 45-state landslide is if he gets out of Afghanistan with no problems remaining.

My seat-of-the-pants estimate of the likelihood of Obama winning Alabama is about 1%. Higher chance than Utah or Wyoming.

More significantly, it fortifies the idea that a 47% approval rating in Georgia isn't out of the question. Except that Greater Atlanta is far bigger than Greater Birmingham, Alabama and Georgia would seem to have similar demographics.

States shift back and forth all the time. If there is any benefit to Obama in Alabama, it is purely a local phenomenon (or one that applies to Alabaman demographics) and not something that's happening nationwide.

If anything, Republicans should be glad that the erosion in their vote is currently happening in safe Republican states. The erosion in the Democrats' vote right now is primarily happening in the midwest (at least for the 2010 elections, which you have to admit are at least somewhat nationalized), and those states were hardly safe for Gore, Kerry, or Obama.

Trends right now favor Republicans. There's no doubt about that. Democrats are unenthused. Half the problem is complacency. The other half of the problem is Obama.

Georgia.  It is not a safe GOP win for 2012. Obama won Florida, North Carolina, and Virginia, and the GOP nominee cannot lose any one of these states and have a reasonable chance of winning. All four states give the President approval ratings in the mid-to-high 40s -- enough with which to win if there is any significant campaign.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 24, 2010, 02:36:07 PM
Added Texas.

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30% Or Lower: Red-9
40%-30% Approval: Red-5
40-44% Approval: Red-4
45-49% Approval: Yellow-3
50% Approval Equal: Yellow-1 (White)
50% Approval Greater: Green-3
50-55%: Green-4
56-59%: Green-6
60%+: Green-8
DC - Blue -

NOTE: I can't get the Maine/Nebraska lettering to work:

MAINE-RASMUSSEN
NEBRASKA-UNKNOWN

POLLING KEY:
R-Rasmussen Reports
PPP-Public Policy Polling
Q-Quinnipiac
U-Unknown*

*I'm only going to use this for ones that I took from pbrower's map, these will be disappearing soon enough.

I will NOT use any Media Polling - no MSNBC, CNN, or FOX.

2012

This tab will show the current likelihood of the GOP taking back the white house. I take the current leading GOP hopeful and current approval ratings to predict what the map may start out like before campaigning and polling. This map shows, essentially, what the situation would look like if the campaign began tomorrow.

(
)

Assured Obama - 6
Safe Obama - 124
Likely Obama - 28
Leaning Obama - 108
Tossup - 24
Leaning Romney - 0
Likely Romney - 107
Safe Romney - 103
Assured Romney - 15

Obama - 270
Romney - 244
Tossup - 24


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on September 24, 2010, 02:41:12 PM
Obama lost the state 60-39. With the 58-41 spread in approvals, any chance of Obama winning Alabama is slim.  But look at the difference, and it may suggest some trend that bodes ill for the GOP Presidential nominee in 2012.

Alabama was one of the worst states for Obama in 2008, his 45th-best, and he could win it only in about a 45-state landslide.  About the only way that he wins it in something "less" than a 45-state landslide is if he gets out of Afghanistan with no problems remaining.

My seat-of-the-pants estimate of the likelihood of Obama winning Alabama is about 1%. Higher chance than Utah or Wyoming.

More significantly, it fortifies the idea that a 47% approval rating in Georgia isn't out of the question. Except that Greater Atlanta is far bigger than Greater Birmingham, Alabama and Georgia would seem to have similar demographics.

States shift back and forth all the time. If there is any benefit to Obama in Alabama, it is purely a local phenomenon (or one that applies to Alabaman demographics) and not something that's happening nationwide.

If anything, Republicans should be glad that the erosion in their vote is currently happening in safe Republican states. The erosion in the Democrats' vote right now is primarily happening in the midwest (at least for the 2010 elections, which you have to admit are at least somewhat nationalized), and those states were hardly safe for Gore, Kerry, or Obama.

Trends right now favor Republicans. There's no doubt about that. Democrats are unenthused. Half the problem is complacency. The other half of the problem is Obama.

If we assume current trends hold, I don't think its a net gain for either party.  You would have OH moving decisively into the GOP column and FL moving into the Democratic column.  You can't seriously call NC and FL safe Republican states when Obama just won them two years ago.  States like MI and WI would be toss-ups, but so would NC and GA.  We haven't had a poll there in ages, but I would be shocked if Obama doesn't have above average approval in VA right now given NC and GA. 

The net result is about 50 electoral votes coming into play for the GOP in the midwest and about 50 additional ones coming into play for the Dems in the Southeast (although not Alabama unless you are a hack).  If he can't make it back to 50/50 approval, he will be struggling regardless, but these trends don't really help or hurt Obama in a close election.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 24, 2010, 04:35:21 PM
The net would be a 60-70 EV gain from an Northeast, Heartland R shift, and FL VA shift to the Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on September 24, 2010, 05:22:32 PM
The net would be a 60-70 EV gain from an Northeast, Heartland R shift, and FL VA shift to the Obama.

But there is no net shift in the Northeast whatsoever, unless you count PA as the NE.  The midwestern shift toward the GOP mainly entails OH, PA, IA, and IN (which is now long gone save for Morning in America II).  In the SE, FL, VA, NC, and GA are shifting toward Obama.  The president still has above average approval in MN, MI, and WI.  There would be no big margins, but these 3 are still his to lose in a close race.

There is an elephant in the living room with all of these approval polls: who is being polled?  The vast majority of these state polls reflect the opinions of 2010 likely voters, not 2012 likely voters.  Turnout will be much higher in a presidential year, so a midterm electorate is not a good model for the 2012 electorate.  In the recent past, higher turnout has always benefited Democrats over Republicans.  Maybe this isn't the case anymore, after all CNN did just report a 42-54 sample among all adults, but we need more evidence before anyone can set up a meaningful 2012 likely voter model.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on September 24, 2010, 06:30:24 PM
PA is in the Northeast.

NY, NJ, and PA are the Mid-Atlantic. Coupled with New England, you get the Northeast.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 25, 2010, 01:54:50 AM
CA (SUSA): 55-39

KS (SUSA): 38-59

OR (SUSA): 47-50

OH (SUSA): 40-56

WA (SUSA): 40-56 (Well, I have a hard time believing there´s a 35R-30D split among WA adults)

NV (POS): 45-52


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on September 25, 2010, 03:26:19 AM
CA (SUSA): 55-39

KS (SUSA): 38-59

OR (SUSA): 47-50

OH (SUSA): 40-56

WA (SUSA): 40-56 (Well, I have a hard time believing there´s a 35R-30D split among WA adults)

NV (POS): 45-52

I have a harder time believing Obama is doing better in Greater LA than in the Bay Area, that men approve of Obama 9 points more than women do in California as well.

Though SUSA's cross-tabs are getting more realistic in general.  Obama does a couple of points better with the under-34s than his statewide average, and the racial demographics are starting to conform better with actual vote totals.

Oh, and I think the WA results are supposed to be 38D-35R-27I, as their current values for D-R-I add to 92% (and their ideological values add to only 88%).  Using those numbers, his approval is about 43-52.  This poll has him at 27% with WA independent adults, which is hard to recover from by any weighting.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 25, 2010, 11:14:09 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, -2.

Disapprove 54%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.

Probably a good Obama sample dropped out.

One good thing for Obama is that his Strongly Disapprove numbers seem to be trending down from two weeks ago.  We should be watching to see if there is a big jump due to a sample issue, however.  My guess is that those numbers are really down.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 26, 2010, 11:20:26 AM
With apologies to J.J., who usually gets to this one first:

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +2.

Disapprove 52%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.

I don't know what sort of  sample dropped out.

Quote from: J.J.
One good thing for Obama is that his Strongly Disapprove numbers seem to be trending down from two weeks ago.  We should be watching to see if there is a big jump due to a sample issue, however.  My guess is that those numbers are really down.

It could be the news cycle. It could also be that people are finding President Obama less objectionable even if they still disapprove. Should the economy improve, then President Obama is unstoppable.

It's easier to turn "slightly disapprove" into "slightly approve" or even non-voters (the first having about twice the effect of the second) than to move "strongly disapprove" anything other than "slightly disapprove, but still voting".



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on September 26, 2010, 11:24:50 AM
The correct numbers are 47% approve, 52% disapprove.  Strongly Approve is now at 28%, not 27%, and strongly Disapprove has fallen to 41%.

This looks like real upward movement over the past few days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 26, 2010, 11:42:08 AM
The correct numbers are 47% approve, 52% disapprove.  Strongly Approve is now at 28%, not 27%, and strongly Disapprove has fallen to 41%.

This looks like real upward movement over the past few days.

Typo corrected!

Those who have made much of the gap between "Strongly disapprove" and "Strongly approve" can't deny this one. 



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 26, 2010, 11:47:22 AM
What's to blame for this bump? BHO's more active campaigning of late?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on September 26, 2010, 11:49:57 AM
Typo corrected!

Those who have made much of the gap between "Strongly disapprove" and "Strongly approve" can't deny this one. 

There's not really much of an improvement.  Obama's been at these sort of numbers for the last year or so, though the "Movement" is more him rising back towards his negative-teens average rather than the lower numbers of August.

Probably the GZ Mosque issue has blown over.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on September 26, 2010, 11:55:22 AM
South Carolina (Ras):

38-61

If there is some movement in the South East, South Carolina isn't feeling it.  Though admittedly it's hard for Obama to get good approvals in a state that gives Jim DeMint a 67% approval (which might just be the highest for any sitting Republican Senator right now), and where 71% of Voters want to repeal Obamacare.

Though I'm curious as to who are the roughly 10% of Likely voters that both approve of Obama and want to repeal his signature piece of legislation.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 26, 2010, 11:57:57 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +2.

Disapprove 52%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.

The disapprove numbers are really down.  That Strongly Disapprove number is now running very low, compared to recent weeks.  It is still within range, but it is lowest it has been in about three weeks.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on September 26, 2010, 12:12:39 PM
South Carolina (Ras):

38-61

If there is some movement in the South East, South Carolina isn't feeling it.  Though admittedly it's hard for Obama to get good approvals in a state that gives Jim DeMint a 67% approval (which might just be the highest for any sitting Republican Senator right now), and where 71% of Voters want to repeal Obamacare.

Though I'm curious as to who are the roughly 10% of Likely voters that both approve of Obama and want to repeal his signature piece of legislation.

Probably lefties who want single payer.  Polls that ask voters whether they oppose health care reform from the right or the left consistently get about 10% of voters opposing it because it doesn't do enough.

There was a poll last week that got an even more provocative result: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/120915-poll-many-voters-think-health-reform-too-conservative (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/120915-poll-many-voters-think-health-reform-too-conservative)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on September 26, 2010, 01:22:55 PM
Typo corrected!

Those who have made much of the gap between "Strongly disapprove" and "Strongly approve" can't deny this one. 

There's not really much of an improvement.  Obama's been at these sort of numbers for the last year or so, though the "Movement" is more him rising back towards his negative-teens average rather than the lower numbers of August.

Probably the GZ Mosque issue has blown over.

I think it is this combined with the fact that he's been out there in campaign mode for the Democrats... which in all honestly is his strength. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on September 26, 2010, 02:05:24 PM
Gallup: 44/49


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on September 26, 2010, 02:08:54 PM
CNN: 42/56


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on September 26, 2010, 05:30:46 PM

Probably lefties who want single payer.  Polls that ask voters whether they oppose health care reform from the right or the left consistently get about 10% of voters opposing it because it doesn't do enough.

There was a poll last week that got an even more provocative result: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/120915-poll-many-voters-think-health-reform-too-conservative (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/120915-poll-many-voters-think-health-reform-too-conservative)


Doesn't seem likely.  Every other poll I've seen has given the Republicans the edge on health-care issues, and I do not seriously buy that 40% of Americans disapprove of Obamacare because they don't think it went far enough.  That kind of sentiment would have sprung up more often and earlier this year while the legislation was still being debated.

On top of that, I don't think anyone who believes that Obamacare is too Conservative a reform wants to actually repeal it so much as add onto it whatever other reforms they want.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 26, 2010, 07:28:39 PM

Gallup is strange. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 27, 2010, 09:05:03 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, +1.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

Same as on 8/31/10.  There was a decline in Obama's numbers in mid September, but he appears to have made up some ground.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dan the Roman on September 27, 2010, 12:00:07 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, +1.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

Same as on 8/31/10.  There was a decline in Obama's numbers in mid September, but he appears to have made up some ground.

Drifting towards where Clinton was in 1994. Clinton was around 44% in early September and drifted back towards 48% or so. Probably saved Feinstein and Lautenberg.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 27, 2010, 01:04:10 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, +1.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

Same as on 8/31/10.  There was a decline in Obama's numbers in mid September, but he appears to have made up some ground.

Drifting towards where Clinton was in 1994. Clinton was around 44% in early September and drifted back towards 48% or so. Probably saved Feinstein and Lautenberg.

Clinton's nadir was in 1993, rebounded to well above 50%, and then started a slump.  He was running slightly ahead of Obama in the Spring of 1994.  Also, his, negatives were much lower.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/presidential-approval-tracker.htm


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on September 27, 2010, 01:16:54 PM
Gallup put up it's weekly average: 44-48

Notable numbers include Obama slumping below Majority approval with Hispanics for the first time ever (though only to 49%), and a pretty clean 3-step age gap, with under-30s giving him 52% Approval, 30-65 year olds giving him about 44%, and the over-65 year olds giving him 36%.  The Gender gap is also reduced, with Men giving him 43% and Women giving him 45%.

He's at 51% in the East, 44% in the Midwest and West, and 39% in the South.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 27, 2010, 04:28:32 PM
This is quite likely my last report with this sort of map. I have relied largely upon Rasmussen polls for statewide approval ratings, and Rasmussen has now put the statewide approvals for President on a premium service. I have better uses for my money, and with some important races and other things to do, I have better use for my time. That's not to say that I won't be visiting.   


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  129
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  81
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 108
white                        too close to call  48
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   6
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  9
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    151  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

......

Obama                                           311
Generic Republican                        166
Your guess is as good as mine        48


It will either look like Truman 1948 or Obama 2008 because the zone between 311 electoral votes and 359 electoral votes is a blank zone. Nobody has won between 57.1%  (Truman 1948) and 66.5% (Taft 1908) of the electoral vote; someone likely to project to winning between 34% and 42% of the electoral vote is likely to take chances that bring the race far closer or cause a bigger loss. 



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Capitan Zapp Brannigan on September 27, 2010, 04:35:25 PM
Rasmussen has now put the statewide approvals for President on a premium service.
Wow, that sucks. :(


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on September 27, 2010, 06:28:17 PM
Rasmussen has now put the statewide approvals for President on a premium service.
Wow, that sucks. :(

That's fine with me. No offense, but maps with several colors are really difficult to look at.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on September 27, 2010, 06:35:06 PM
Btw, I'm going to probably do my 2-month joinup for premium Rasmussen that I also did in 2008. 

But I'm not sharing with pbrower - he's started ignoring most non-Rasmussen polls because they don't show the numbers remotely close to what he wants.  So, anything that gets him off this site is for the better.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Capitan Zapp Brannigan on September 27, 2010, 06:37:37 PM
Rasmussen has now put the statewide approvals for President on a premium service.
Wow, that sucks. :(

That's fine with me. No offense, but maps with several colors are really difficult to look at.
Wasn't talking about the maps, I couldn't care less about those. I was more talking about Rass not showing the Obama state popularity to non-premium members. :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on September 27, 2010, 07:14:32 PM
Btw, if anyone wants for me to share Rasmussen numbers, I'll happily do so privately.

Race-wise, it also looks to me like his national poll is weighted pretty close to 2008 exit polls, though his black numbers look closer to overall % of population (i.e. 13%, as opposed to 14%), and could be closer to 12%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Capitan Zapp Brannigan on September 28, 2010, 08:56:48 AM
Obama reached 50% approval in Rasmussen today for the first time in a while. 50% approve, 49% disapprove.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 28, 2010, 09:01:14 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 50%, +2.

Disapprove 49%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

There may be a bad sample moving through the system, but there has definitely a shift.  These are the best Obama numbers since mid April 2010.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 28, 2010, 09:12:03 AM
Huh? Wow.

I'm guessing he'll take a plunge tomorrow though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 28, 2010, 09:16:11 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 50%, +2.

Disapprove 49%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

There may be a bad sample moving through the system, but there has definitely a shift.  These are the best Obama numbers since mid April 2010.

News cycle?

What matters most now is how it influences Senatorial and Congressional elections. At 50% approval, the President is far more popular than almost anyone else in political life on a national basis.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on September 28, 2010, 09:16:29 AM
Huh? Wow.

I'm guessing he'll take a plunge tomorrow though.

Any other result will be extremely surprising.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on September 28, 2010, 09:37:28 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 50%, +2.

Disapprove 49%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

There may be a bad sample moving through the system, but there has definitely a shift.  These are the best Obama numbers since mid April 2010.

These are 2010 likely voters, right?

50/50 approval of the incumbent president does not fit very well with the kind of losses expected for the Dems this fall.  This is almost certainly an outlier when Obama's preferred candidate is barely leading in Connecticut of all places.

If Obama really has recovered to 50/50 and it holds through October, Dems would narrowly hold the House and probably wouldn't lose more than 4 in the Senate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on September 28, 2010, 11:24:02 AM
His numbers have been remarkably consistent since early this year.  I wonder why now of all times he would be seeing a bit of a boost when there still seems to be an anti-incumbent fervor out there. 

Funny how Gallup always gave him better numbers before and now that Rasmussen has him back above 50% Gallup is showing him at 44%.

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 28, 2010, 11:32:29 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 50%, +2.

Disapprove 49%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

There may be a bad sample moving through the system, but there has definitely a shift.  These are the best Obama numbers since mid April 2010.

These are 2010 likely voters, right?

50/50 approval of the incumbent president does not fit very well with the kind of losses expected for the Dems this fall.  This is almost certainly an outlier when Obama's preferred candidate is barely leading in Connecticut of all places.

If Obama really has recovered to 50/50 and it holds through October, Dems would narrowly hold the House and probably wouldn't lose more than 4 in the Senate.

If it isn't an outlier, then the recent GOP surge in House and Senate polls could collapse. Some of the GOP nominees are beginning to look extreme. People may be beginning to see through groups that have been backing Hard Right candidates.

It's also possible that President Obama is getting credit for some things that have gone well. Do we remember all the talk of a double-dip recession? Maybe the policies promoted by the GOP have begun to look like the sorts that would make one a certainty. There have been no diplomatic fiascos, and American combat troops are out of Iraq. There has been no scandal. Maybe we have no full recovery, but the President has some innovative and reasonable -- and hardly radical -- solutions.

The reverse-wave effect may have peaked too early. When Republicans started talking about privatizing Social Security and making tax cuts for the super-rich the first priority of politics, they may have gone too far. The purges of Bob Bennett, Lisa Murkowski, and Mike Castle might not look so good to people just to the right of center. Images of the President dressed up like a witch doctor or the President and First Lady as a pimp and a prostitute offend the sensibilities of people who voted for the President.

Democrats have been running scared in this election -- and they should. They may be finding the counterattack that works.

Extremists fare badly among the moderates who decide most American elections. Nothing indicates that the American electorate of 2010 is more right-wing than that of 2006. 2008? Fewer people vote in midterm elections -- but should the Democrats get out anything like the 2008 or even 2006 electorate, then the GOP may be stuck with some hollow victories.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 28, 2010, 11:36:42 AM
His numbers have been remarkably consistent since early this year.  I wonder why now of all times he would be seeing a bit of a boost when there still seems to be an anti-incumbent fervor out there. 

Funny how Gallup always gave him better numbers before and now that Rasmussen has him back above 50% Gallup is showing him at 44%.

 

Maybe that fervor is waning.  Match Gallup for corroboration or refutation.

Too bad Rasmussen doesn't show statewide polls except on a premium service.

Here is a fairly good source for data on Senatorial races:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2010/Senate/Maps/Sep25-s.html#3


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on September 28, 2010, 12:47:21 PM
His numbers have been remarkably consistent since early this year.  I wonder why now of all times he would be seeing a bit of a boost when there still seems to be an anti-incumbent fervor out there.  

Funny how Gallup always gave him better numbers before and now that Rasmussen has him back above 50% Gallup is showing him at 44%.

 

Maybe that fervor is waning.  Match Gallup for corroboration or refutation.

Too bad Rasmussen doesn't show statewide polls except on a premium service.

Here is a fairly good source for data on Senatorial races:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2010/Senate/Maps/Sep25-s.html#3

Keeping grasping at those straws....

Nothing, and I mean nothing, has happened to warrant any rebound for Obama. Ras. is just an outlire  at the moment.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 28, 2010, 02:19:28 PM
His numbers have been remarkably consistent since early this year.  I wonder why now of all times he would be seeing a bit of a boost when there still seems to be an anti-incumbent fervor out there.  

Funny how Gallup always gave him better numbers before and now that Rasmussen has him back above 50% Gallup is showing him at 44%.

 

Maybe that fervor is waning.  Match Gallup for corroboration or refutation.

Too bad Rasmussen doesn't show statewide polls except on a premium service.

Here is a fairly good source for data on Senatorial races:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2010/Senate/Maps/Sep25-s.html#3

Keeping grasping at those straws....

Nothing, and I mean nothing, has happened to warrant any rebound for Obama. Ras. is just an outlire  at the moment.

I'm going to go back through the thread and hear your explanation for a low Obama number being perfectly rational.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 28, 2010, 03:06:33 PM
Huh? Wow.

I'm guessing he'll take a plunge tomorrow though.

Well, I think that there was some legitimate movement toward Obama, as he was certainly off his early September lows.  However, this particular number looks like a good Obama sample is moving through the system.

I expect a drop in the next three days, maybe as much as 6 points in Approve numbers.  That would still mark a longer term improvement.

In terms of a "collapse" in Republican numbers overall, I'd doubt it.  Obama is doing about as well as Clinton was in 1994. Clinton, however had already had a deeper trough, and recovered.  If this is Obama's recovery it is, at best, an anemic one.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on September 28, 2010, 03:49:38 PM
Gallup: 45/49

Watch him plunge tomorrow on Rasmussen and such a plunge will render this discussion moot.

Ras is sucking in Pbrower just to break his heart.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 28, 2010, 03:56:10 PM
Gallup: 45/49

Watch him plunge tomorrow on Rasmussen and such a plunge will render this discussion moot.

Ras is sucking in Pbrower just to break his heart.

There was improvement that cannot be attributed to a single skewed good sample.  Obama has at least stemmed the flood temporarily. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on September 28, 2010, 04:22:56 PM
The improvement in Obama's numbers in Rasmussen can be pretty much traced to movement among the Other (racial) category and Other (voting) category (though less so), fwiw.  Whites and blacks (GOP and Dems) remain unchanged from August.

The state numbers show very little movement - with a month of these fresh state polls, Obama's number for Rasmussen in my average (which is probably slightly Dem leaning) will move from 47% to 48% (and 47 might ought to be 46, fwiw).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 28, 2010, 04:32:03 PM
The improvement in Obama's numbers in Rasmussen can be pretty much traced to movement among the Other (racial) category and Other (voting) category (though less so), fwiw.  Whites and blacks (GOP and Dems) remain unchanged from August.

The state numbers show very little movement - with a month of these fresh state polls, Obama's number for Rasmussen in my average (which is probably slightly Dem leaning) will move from 47% to 48% (and 47 might ought to be 46, fwiw).

I've been looking at the range, and 50% Approve is out of range.  It had a range of 41-48 since August 1, 2010.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on September 28, 2010, 04:33:19 PM
The improvement in Obama's numbers in Rasmussen can be pretty much traced to movement among the Other (racial) category and Other (voting) category (though less so), fwiw.  Whites and blacks (GOP and Dems) remain unchanged from August.

The state numbers show very little movement - with a month of these fresh state polls, Obama's number for Rasmussen in my average (which is probably slightly Dem leaning) will move from 47% to 48% (and 47 might ought to be 46, fwiw).

I've been looking at the range, and 50% Approve is out of range.  It had a range of 41-48 since August 1, 2010.

You interpret the range however you want - I'm just telling you what the internals say.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 28, 2010, 04:49:15 PM
The improvement in Obama's numbers in Rasmussen can be pretty much traced to movement among the Other (racial) category and Other (voting) category (though less so), fwiw.  Whites and blacks (GOP and Dems) remain unchanged from August.

The state numbers show very little movement - with a month of these fresh state polls, Obama's number for Rasmussen in my average (which is probably slightly Dem leaning) will move from 47% to 48% (and 47 might ought to be 46, fwiw).

I've been looking at the range, and 50% Approve is out of range.  It had a range of 41-48 since August 1, 2010.

You interpret the range however you want - I'm just telling you what the internals say.

And I'm telling you what the range has been.  You can define Obama's approval numbers on Rasmussen as being between 41-48 from August 1 to September 27, 2010, with a median point of 44.5%.  You can define Obama's disapproval numbers on Rasmussen as being between 51-58 from August 1 to September 27, 2010, with a median point of 54.5%  In other words, all numbers have been within the MOE of the median from August 1 to September 27, 2010.

You can't say that about 9/28/10.

A really bad sample?  Maybe, but I kind of doubt it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 28, 2010, 05:12:37 PM
The improvement in Obama's numbers in Rasmussen can be pretty much traced to movement among the Other (racial) category and Other (voting) category (though less so), fwiw.  Whites and blacks (GOP and Dems) remain unchanged from August.

The state numbers show very little movement - with a month of these fresh state polls, Obama's number for Rasmussen in my average (which is probably slightly Dem leaning) will move from 47% to 48% (and 47 might ought to be 46, fwiw).

I've been looking at the range, and 50% Approve is out of range.  It had a range of 41-48 since August 1, 2010.

You interpret the range however you want - I'm just telling you what the internals say.

"Others" probably means Hispanics and to a lesser extent Asians. They were critical to the 2008 election, and it could be that GOP media and the Tea Party Movement have lost them again. Those voters are more significant than they used to be.

Statewide polls for Colorado and Nevada would be interesting... except that we just aren't getting those anymore.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on September 28, 2010, 05:45:14 PM
PPP Illinois: Obama 44-49

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/09/obama-in-illinois.html

If Obama is actually at 50% Nationwide and is only at 44% in Illinois, he's riding on a completely different coalition than he had in 2008.  Though this certainly goes along with the idea that the Midwest is the region of the country that is turning against Obama the most.

The sample here also voted for Obama by 15 Points when he won statewide by 25, which suggests that the enthusiasm gap exists and is very relevant, but also that Obama has lost a considerable number of his 2008 voters' support.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 28, 2010, 05:50:11 PM
Added Illinois - no effect on 2012 Prediction.

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30% Or Lower: Red-9
40%-30% Approval: Red-5
40-44% Approval: Red-4
45-49% Approval: Yellow-3
50% Approval Equal: Yellow-1 (White)
50% Approval Greater: Green-3
50-55%: Green-4
56-59%: Green-6
60%+: Green-8
DC - Blue -

NOTE: I can't get the Maine/Nebraska lettering to work:

MAINE-RASMUSSEN
NEBRASKA-UNKNOWN

POLLING KEY:
R-Rasmussen Reports
PPP-Public Policy Polling
Q-Quinnipiac
U-Unknown*

*I'm only going to use this for ones that I took from pbrower's map, these will be disappearing soon enough.

I will NOT use any Media Polling - no MSNBC, CNN, or FOX.

2012

This tab will show the current likelihood of the GOP taking back the white house. I take the current leading GOP hopeful and current approval ratings to predict what the map may start out like before campaigning and polling. This map shows, essentially, what the situation would look like if the campaign began tomorrow.

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Assured Obama - 6
Safe Obama - 124
Likely Obama - 28
Leaning Obama - 108
Tossup - 24
Leaning Romney - 0
Likely Romney - 107
Safe Romney - 103
Assured Romney - 15

Obama - 270
Romney - 244
Tossup - 24


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 29, 2010, 12:02:05 AM
Well, Rasmussen slipped out an approval rating for Iowa, so I can make a slight and inconsequential change.


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  129
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  81
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 108
white                        too close to call  48
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   6
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  9
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    151  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

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One letter, one state.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ronnie on September 29, 2010, 12:49:12 AM
The sky is falling!  Rasmussen is giving Obama a positive approval rating, while Gallup is giving him a negative one.  That's veeeeery weird.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 29, 2010, 12:56:51 AM
PPP Illinois: Obama 44-49

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/09/obama-in-illinois.html

Whoah. I don't buy that one for a minute.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 29, 2010, 08:20:16 AM
PPP Illinois: Obama 44-49

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/09/obama-in-illinois.html

Whoah. I don't buy that one for a minute.

PPP has had a string of very pro-Republican polls in the past week, in a number of states.  I'm wondering is there is weighting problem?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 29, 2010, 08:42:21 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, -4.

Disapprove 52%, +3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +2.

A pro-Obama sample dropped, but Obama's positive numbers are still above the median (from before this sample).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on September 29, 2010, 09:31:55 AM
To whet some partial appetites, Colorado is 43% approve, 55% disapprove. :p


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on September 29, 2010, 11:08:29 AM
46% - Rass. Told you yesterday was an outlier. Normal service resumed.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on September 29, 2010, 02:50:45 PM
PPP has had a string of very pro-Republican polls in the past week, in a number of states.  I'm wondering is there is weighting problem?

...but with whom?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 29, 2010, 06:39:02 PM
PPP has had a string of very pro-Republican polls in the past week, in a number of states.  I'm wondering is there is weighting problem?

...but with whom?

That was me who said it.

Likely voters?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on September 29, 2010, 06:53:01 PM
You interpret the range however you want - I'm just telling you what the internals say.

And I'm telling you what the range has been.

I love you both.  I'm just telling you that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on September 29, 2010, 08:15:21 PM
I love how Rasmussen broke Pbrower's heart.  Way to go Ras!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 30, 2010, 08:09:58 AM
I love how Rasmussen broke Pbrower's heart.  Way to go Ras!

Real heartbreak would come from the Tea Party Movement achieving power in America and establishing a perverse syncretism of absolute plutocracy with Christian Protestant fundamentalism.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 30, 2010, 08:30:27 AM
I love how Rasmussen broke Pbrower's heart.  Way to go Ras!

Real heartbreak would come from the Tea Party Movement achieving power in America and establishing a perverse syncretism of absolute plutocracy with Christian Protestant fundamentalism.

Looking at socialist authoritarian alternative we have with Obama, we can only hope so.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 30, 2010, 08:40:09 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, -1.

Disapprove 55%, +3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 46%, +3.

The Strongly Approve number has held for three days.  While the rest of the other numbers are down from their past highs, they are still well off their lows.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Capitan Zapp Brannigan on September 30, 2010, 09:13:09 AM
lol, those numbers reverted back fast.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on September 30, 2010, 09:28:00 AM

Usually when you have major national figures like Obama, approval ratings don't change much without obvious milestones.  Obama's been at the post-HC rut since late April, and not much politically has changed since then.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on September 30, 2010, 11:28:46 AM
I love how Rasmussen broke Pbrower's heart.  Way to go Ras!

Real heartbreak would come from the Tea Party Movement achieving power in America and establishing a perverse syncretism of absolute plutocracy with Christian Protestant fundamentalism.

Looking at socialist authoritarian alternative we have with Obama, we can only hope so.

Can we settle down, children?  There will be no theocracy with the Tea Party or socialist authoritarianism with Obama.  Do either of you know ANYTHING about the United States?  The differences between the two parties in America in the grand scheme of things is minimal at best.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 30, 2010, 01:17:36 PM
I love how Rasmussen broke Pbrower's heart.  Way to go Ras!

Real heartbreak would come from the Tea Party Movement achieving power in America and establishing a perverse syncretism of absolute plutocracy with Christian Protestant fundamentalism.

Looking at socialist authoritarian alternative we have with Obama, we can only hope so.

Can we settle down, children?  There will be no theocracy with the Tea Party or socialist authoritarianism with Obama.  Do either of you know ANYTHING about the United States?  The differences between the two parties in America in the grand scheme of things is minimal at best.  

Barack Obama presides over the biggest government in American history, at least from the standpoint of government ownership and operation of businesses. I believe that he would love to sell off the socialist sector of the US economy, ideally for profit that would manifest itself in a pay-off of much of the National Debt. It isn't he who started the process; it began when Dubya, supposedly the most pro-business President in a long time, signed off on it on behalf of the Secretary of the Treasury, the chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission,  and the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank. 

The Democratic and Republican Parties used to be similar, as shown when the Democrats had Jacob Javits and the Republicans had John Stennis. The big difference was what agricultural interests they represented -- southern agricultural interests and Big Labor  being largely Democratic and northern agricultural interests and non-agricultural business of all kinds decidedly Republican, with Big Business largely Republican. They have gone much more ideological, clearly Left and Right.

National health care is hardly socialist if just about every country has it. Every country that I know of has government ownership and operation of schools, roads other than expressways, and the postal system. America remains one of the least socialistic countries in the world.

I look at the Tea Party Movement and I see something uncharacteristic of the sorts of conservatives who used to predominate in the Republican Party -- crass demagoguery, including contempt for educated policy-making. I also notice the deep=pockets funding from the usual supporters of right-wing causes.  Ordinarily such indicates a fascist cause -- radical populism in the ultimate service of entrenched elites.

I used to believe that the only fascists in America were the people who burn crosses or strut around in brown or black shirts while shouting "White Power!" -- pathetic relics of discredited causes as impotent as they are unpopular. I now believe otherwise. Every country has some characteristics within its culture amenable to some sort of fascism perfectly fitting the culture. Just as Italian fascists would adopt a mythologized view of the Roman Empire that the Japanese might find tolerable only at a safe distance and Japanese fascists would attempt to revive the ethos of the samurai which has no relevance to the culture of any other culture, American fascists would reach into the American past to find cultural ephemera fit to the movement. The American Revolution led by people whose core beliefs now seem the antithesis of fascism?  Such is the source of the accoutrements of the Tea Party Movement.

Demagoguery is dangerous whether of the Left or Right.     


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 30, 2010, 01:34:53 PM
I love how Rasmussen broke Pbrower's heart.  Way to go Ras!

Real heartbreak would come from the Tea Party Movement achieving power in America and establishing a perverse syncretism of absolute plutocracy with Christian Protestant fundamentalism.

Looking at socialist authoritarian alternative we have with Obama, we can only hope so.

Can we settle down, children?  There will be no theocracy with the Tea Party or socialist authoritarianism with Obama.  Do either of you know ANYTHING about the United States?  The differences between the two parties in America in the grand scheme of things is minimal at best.  

Well, I think if you going to start it, you should expect it in return.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 30, 2010, 01:37:50 PM

They have not "reverted" however.  They are still well of Obama's lows for the last two months.  Strongly Approve is actually still above the median.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on September 30, 2010, 02:23:45 PM
I love how Rasmussen broke Pbrower's heart.  Way to go Ras!

Real heartbreak would come from the Tea Party Movement achieving power in America and establishing a perverse syncretism of absolute plutocracy with Christian Protestant fundamentalism.

Looking at socialist authoritarian alternative we have with Obama, we can only hope so.

Can we settle down, children?  There will be no theocracy with the Tea Party or socialist authoritarianism with Obama.  Do either of you know ANYTHING about the United States?  The differences between the two parties in America in the grand scheme of things is minimal at best.  

Barack Obama presides over the biggest government in American history, at least from the standpoint of government ownership and operation of businesses. I believe that he would love to sell off the socialist sector of the US economy, ideally for profit that would manifest itself in a pay-off of much of the National Debt. It isn't he who started the process; it began when Dubya, supposedly the most pro-business President in a long time, signed off on it on behalf of the Secretary of the Treasury, the chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission,  and the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank. 

The Democratic and Republican Parties used to be similar, as shown when the Democrats had Jacob Javits and the Republicans had John Stennis. The big difference was what agricultural interests they represented -- southern agricultural interests and Big Labor  being largely Democratic and northern agricultural interests and non-agricultural business of all kinds decidedly Republican, with Big Business largely Republican. They have gone much more ideological, clearly Left and Right.

National health care is hardly socialist if just about every country has it. Every country that I know of has government ownership and operation of schools, roads other than expressways, and the postal system. America remains one of the least socialistic countries in the world.

I look at the Tea Party Movement and I see something uncharacteristic of the sorts of conservatives who used to predominate in the Republican Party -- crass demagoguery, including contempt for educated policy-making. I also notice the deep=pockets funding from the usual supporters of right-wing causes.  Ordinarily such indicates a fascist cause -- radical populism in the ultimate service of entrenched elites.

I used to believe that the only fascists in America were the people who burn crosses or strut around in brown or black shirts while shouting "White Power!" -- pathetic relics of discredited causes as impotent as they are unpopular. I now believe otherwise. Every country has some characteristics within its culture amenable to some sort of fascism perfectly fitting the culture. Just as Italian fascists would adopt a mythologized view of the Roman Empire that the Japanese might find tolerable only at a safe distance and Japanese fascists would attempt to revive the ethos of the samurai which has no relevance to the culture of any other culture, American fascists would reach into the American past to find cultural ephemera fit to the movement. The American Revolution led by people whose core beliefs now seem the antithesis of fascism?  Such is the source of the accoutrements of the Tea Party Movement.

Demagoguery is dangerous whether of the Left or Right.     

I can't stand the Tea Partiers either but the most radical of their positions will never take hold in the United States.  You should focus more on what would actually happen should the Tea Party candidates win rather than the "ideal" America that is only ever going to be realized in Teabaggers' dreams.  These dozens of millions of people who rely on Social Security and Medicare are not going to vote for its destruction and would throw anyone out of office who tried to implement such a policy.  Christian theology will not define American policy because even most Christians in the United States are against that. 

Let's fight the tangible battles.  I hate the Tea Party/right wing because of the insane anti-intellectualism that has become to define them.  THAT'S tangible.  THAT I can see happening right now.  I'll start there before I rally against Joe Miller's Dream America. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 30, 2010, 03:21:41 PM
Obama Approval in Minnesota (HHH/MPR):

48% Approve
48% Disapprove

...

47% Obama
40% Romney

49% Obama
40% Pawlenty

54% Obama
34% Bachmann

56% Obama
34% Palin

A fair expression of the idea that an incumbent Governor or Senator gains about 6% in vote share from his approval as of six months before the election. Such probably applies to an incumbent President. Norming the 47-40 split over 100%, I figure that Obama would win about 54% of the vote against Romney. Bachmann and Palin are poison for the Republicans.

Romney would do better than anyone shown here -- even Pawlenty. I can't imagine any Southern Republican winning Minnesota except in a landslide even though none (Barbour, Huckabee, DeMint) is shown. If someone is thinking of having Pawlenty as a VP nominee in an effort to pick off the politically-similar states of Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin, then think again: even the favorite son effect is weaker for a VP candidate than for a   Presidential nominee. Prime example: Senator Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX) as the running mate against George H W Bush in 1988.   


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  129
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  81
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 108
white                        too close to call  48
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   6
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  9
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    151  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 30, 2010, 09:49:05 PM
I think Obama would lose all the states that are pale red or worse if the current conditions prevail in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 30, 2010, 11:57:31 PM
I think Obama would lose all the states that are pale red or worse if the current conditions prevail in 2012.

Things will be very different in November 2012. One will be the economy -- probably better because President Obama will have done nothing harmful. Another will be that if we see GOP majorities in one or both Houses of Congress, then people are going to find out whether the GOP has learned anything other than be more deceitful, more strident, devious, and doctrinaire, then President Obama could seem far better.

Radical efforts to restructure America into a pure plutocracy will face the veto pen.

The GOP offers nothing more than more of the same -- but with a louder megaphone and anonymous command. If people knew who the shadowy interests were they would be as disgusted as I am.

Of course should America become the most blatant plutocracy since Imperial Russia, then the results of elections in 2014 or later might be irrelevant.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on October 01, 2010, 12:13:16 AM
I love how Rasmussen broke Pbrower's heart.  Way to go Ras!

Real heartbreak would come from the Tea Party Movement achieving power in America and establishing a perverse syncretism of absolute plutocracy with Christian Protestant fundamentalism.

Looking at socialist authoritarian alternative we have with Obama, we can only hope so.

Can we settle down, children?  There will be no theocracy with the Tea Party or socialist authoritarianism with Obama.  Do either of you know ANYTHING about the United States?  The differences between the two parties in America in the grand scheme of things is minimal at best. 

     This really needed to be said. Calling random Democrats socialists & random Republicans fascists was dead wrong back when Gore Vidal did it to William F. Buckley & it's still dead wrong today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 01, 2010, 06:42:38 AM


Things will be very different in November 2012. One will be the economy -- probably better because President Obama greatly harmed the economy.

Another will be that if we see GOP will support fiscal responsibility, unlike 2002-06 and individual freedom. We will also see if those efforts fall to Obama's veto pen.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 01, 2010, 06:45:46 AM
I love how Rasmussen broke Pbrower's heart.  Way to go Ras!

Real heartbreak would come from the Tea Party Movement achieving power in America and establishing a perverse syncretism of absolute plutocracy with Christian Protestant fundamentalism.

Looking at socialist authoritarian alternative we have with Obama, we can only hope so.

Can we settle down, children?  There will be no theocracy with the Tea Party or socialist authoritarianism with Obama.  Do either of you know ANYTHING about the United States?  The differences between the two parties in America in the grand scheme of things is minimal at best. 

     This really needed to be said. Calling random Democrats socialists & random Republicans fascists was dead wrong back when Gore Vidal did it to William F. Buckley & it's still dead wrong today.

You have seen a greater attempt under Obama, with the auto bailouts, to increase the government role in the private sector.  And in that case you cannot make the argument it was there to stabilize a broken infrastructure (unlike TARP).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Inmate Trump on October 01, 2010, 08:26:44 AM
(I tried using the quote button to respond to pbrower's post about how things will be different in 2012, blah blah blah, but I guess the post was too long, and it was a pain in the arse trying to type a response to it.....???)

Anyway....Things might be different in 2012, but I highly doubt it.  The economy shows absolutely no signs of improvement any time in the near future and I really don't see any way that it's going to make a sudden recovery in time for the election.  It may be *somewhat* better, but things will still be bad enough to cause problems for Obama.  And come 2012, he will no longer be able to blame everything on Bush.  That excuse will finally be put to rest as this will be seen, rightfully so, as Obama's economy (and also, Obama's wars, which will also plague him--warS because combat operations are NOT over in Iraq).  He will have to answer for all of it, rather than push the blame on somebody else.  I believe his approval ratings will be in the low 40s, or high 30s by November 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on October 01, 2010, 08:34:12 AM
(I tried using the quote button to respond to pbrower's post about how things will be different in 2012, blah blah blah, but I guess the post was too long, and it was a pain in the arse trying to type a response to it.....???)

Anyway....Things might be different in 2012, but I highly doubt it.  The economy shows absolutely no signs of improvement any time in the near future and I really don't see any way that it's going to make a sudden recovery in time for the election.  It may be *somewhat* better, but things will still be bad enough to cause problems for Obama.  And come 2012, he will no longer be able to blame everything on Bush.  That excuse will finally be put to rest as this will be seen, rightfully so, as Obama's economy (and also, Obama's wars, which will also plague him--warS because combat operations are NOT over in Iraq).  He will have to answer for all of it, rather than push the blame on somebody else.  I believe his approval ratings will be in the low 40s, or high 30s by November 2012.

Glad to see you can view things with a clear head Clay. kudos


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 01, 2010, 08:44:33 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, u.

Disapprove 54%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 46%, u.

I would say that Obama is rallying his base a bit, but not by a lot.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 01, 2010, 09:06:28 AM
I love it how everyone seems to know exactly how 2012 will pan-out...

Going by Gallup at this point he's level with Clinton and 2% ahead of Reagan at the same points in their presidencies... I'm sure people had written their political eulogies in 1982 and 1994... a lot can change... it might not... but it certainly can.

While his 'personal' approval remains in the 50s, there's always room for goodwill and positive movement.

I actually think his increased public exposure, rallying crowds and starting to get the message out.. has affected the numbers and I wouldn't be surprised if he's scraping 50% by Nov.... I also wouldn't be surprised if he's where he is now.

Plus, if the Reps commit political suicide, Obama just need to be more palatable than them...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on October 01, 2010, 10:40:55 AM
I love how Rasmussen broke Pbrower's heart.  Way to go Ras!

Real heartbreak would come from the Tea Party Movement achieving power in America and establishing a perverse syncretism of absolute plutocracy with Christian Protestant fundamentalism.

Looking at socialist authoritarian alternative we have with Obama, we can only hope so.

Can we settle down, children?  There will be no theocracy with the Tea Party or socialist authoritarianism with Obama.  Do either of you know ANYTHING about the United States?  The differences between the two parties in America in the grand scheme of things is minimal at best. 

     This really needed to be said. Calling random Democrats socialists & random Republicans fascists was dead wrong back when Gore Vidal did it to William F. Buckley & it's still dead wrong today.

You have seen a greater attempt under Obama, with the auto bailouts, to increase the government role in the private sector.  And in that case you cannot make the argument it was there to stabilize a broken infrastructure (unlike TARP).

This is government INVESTMENT in private business, not OWNERSHIP.  Therefore, it is not socialism, or communism, or whatever.  I mean, almost immediately people were complaining about what the auto executives were doing with that money.  Had the government came in and told them exactly what to do with the bailout money half the country would go into a "omgz we're socialists!" panic.  You can't win. 

The kind of federal stimulus that has been going on doesn't even really compare with the complete remaking of the economy that happened under FDR.  Did THAT turn us into a communist country?  No, not at all, it only strengthened the conditions for capitalism to become more effective for more people.  Certainly the New Deal introduced a couple SOCIALIST ideas into the United States, but was that a bad thing?  Shouldn't we evaluate what works for our country rather than sh*tting all over anything and everything that could be called "socialist"? 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on October 01, 2010, 10:42:57 AM


Things will be very different in November 2012. One will be the economy -- probably better because President Obama greatly harmed the economy.

Another will be that if we see GOP will support fiscal responsibility, unlike 2002-06 and individual freedom. We will also see if those efforts fall to Obama's veto pen.




This is what I can't stand!  What amount of influence do you think ONE MAN in ONE BRANCH of government has on the biggest economy of the planet.  President Obama greatly harmed the economy?  Do you believe that? 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 01, 2010, 10:46:52 AM


Things will be very different in November 2012. One will be the economy -- probably better because President Obama greatly harmed the economy.

Another will be that if we see GOP will support fiscal responsibility, unlike 2002-06 and individual freedom. We will also see if those efforts fall to Obama's veto pen.




This is what I can't stand!  What amount of influence do you think ONE MAN in ONE BRANCH of government has on the biggest economy of the planet.  President Obama greatly harmed the economy?  Do you believe that? 

Absolutely.  He could have declined to advocate the "stimulus," opposed it directly, or used his veto pen, for that matter.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 01, 2010, 12:16:54 PM
His "personal approval" is not over 50%.

And asking for his "personal approval" after asking about his approval rating is misleading.  You are essentially prompting people to make a different response and treat "persoanl approval" as different from "approval."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on October 01, 2010, 01:00:39 PM


Things will be very different in November 2012. One will be the economy -- probably better because President Obama greatly harmed the economy.

Another will be that if we see GOP will support fiscal responsibility, unlike 2002-06 and individual freedom. We will also see if those efforts fall to Obama's veto pen.




This is what I can't stand!  What amount of influence do you think ONE MAN in ONE BRANCH of government has on the biggest economy of the planet.  President Obama greatly harmed the economy?  Do you believe that? 

Absolutely.  He could have declined to advocate the "stimulus," opposed it directly, or used his veto pen, for that matter.



Economic stimulus is what we need right now.  You're not going to see the effects of it immediately, or even maybe for a couple years.  We tried letting the free market solve all our problems and look where that got us. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on October 01, 2010, 01:15:12 PM
I love how Rasmussen broke Pbrower's heart.  Way to go Ras!

Real heartbreak would come from the Tea Party Movement achieving power in America and establishing a perverse syncretism of absolute plutocracy with Christian Protestant fundamentalism.

Looking at socialist authoritarian alternative we have with Obama, we can only hope so.

Can we settle down, children?  There will be no theocracy with the Tea Party or socialist authoritarianism with Obama.  Do either of you know ANYTHING about the United States?  The differences between the two parties in America in the grand scheme of things is minimal at best. 

     This really needed to be said. Calling random Democrats socialists & random Republicans fascists was dead wrong back when Gore Vidal did it to William F. Buckley & it's still dead wrong today.

You have seen a greater attempt under Obama, with the auto bailouts, to increase the government role in the private sector.  And in that case you cannot make the argument it was there to stabilize a broken infrastructure (unlike TARP).

     Which is still a far cry from socialism. In other words, if you were to express the government's economic policy in terms of how far it is from socialism, Obama moved us from 25 miles away to 24 miles away. Obama leans a bit more towards socialism than many other Presidents (wouldn't really notice that based on what he has managed so far), but that is very different from actually being socialist.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on October 01, 2010, 01:36:13 PM
(Ras) NM: 50-49


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on October 01, 2010, 04:44:59 PM
Added Minnesota and New Mexico

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30% Or Lower: Red-9
40%-30% Approval: Red-5
40-44% Approval: Red-4
45-49% Approval: Yellow-3
50% Approval Equal: Yellow-1 (White)
50% Approval Greater: Green-3
50-55%: Green-4
56-59%: Green-6
60%+: Green-8
DC - Blue -

NOTE: I can't get the Maine/Nebraska lettering to work:

MAINE-RASMUSSEN
NEBRASKA-UNKNOWN

POLLING KEY:
R-Rasmussen Reports
PPP-Public Policy Polling
Q-Quinnipiac
U-Unknown*

*I'm only going to use this for ones that I took from pbrower's map, these will be disappearing soon enough.

I will NOT use any Media Polling - no MSNBC, CNN, or FOX.

2012

This tab will show the current likelihood of the GOP taking back the white house. I take the current leading GOP hopeful and current approval ratings to predict what the map may start out like before campaigning and polling. This map shows, essentially, what the situation would look like if the campaign began tomorrow.

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Assured Obama - 6
Safe Obama - 124
Likely Obama - 28
Leaning Obama - 108
Tossup - 24
Leaning Romney - 0
Likely Romney - 107
Safe Romney - 103
Assured Romney - 15

Obama - 270
Romney - 244
Tossup - 24


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 01, 2010, 07:02:37 PM
What is this "personal approval" thing you guys are talking about?  I think the phrase you're after is "favorability rating".


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 01, 2010, 08:22:27 PM
I do mean favourability, but personal rating vs job rating...

I would love to know what the alternative to the stimulus should have been.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on October 01, 2010, 08:35:01 PM


Things will be very different in November 2012. One will be the economy -- probably better because President Obama greatly harmed the economy.

Another will be that if we see GOP will support fiscal responsibility, unlike 2002-06 and individual freedom. We will also see if those efforts fall to Obama's veto pen.




Why would the economy be better because Obama harmed it?  That makes no sense.

Also, anything Republicans pass in the House will likely die in the Senate. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 01, 2010, 09:39:32 PM
Whatever you call it, he's not at 50% as you claimed if you look at averages.  You have huge disparities in favorability but since averages are the chic thing to do, we might as well look at averages.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 01, 2010, 09:48:52 PM
Fwiw, pollster.com has Obama 45.3%/50.5% approve/disapprove, and 48.4%/43.9% favorable/unfavorable, from a regression fit to all polls:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/06/jobapproval-obama_n_726319.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/05/fav-obama_n_726774.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 01, 2010, 10:40:54 PM
Apologies, the last favourable number I saw was 54/40 - and it wasn't that long ago...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 01, 2010, 10:50:27 PM
The number you saw comes from either AP, Bloomberg, or Battleground.  Those pollsters are pretty hawkish on the difference between favorability and approval.

Every other poll, such as Rasmussen, Democracy Corps(D), NBC/WSJ, doesn't find that much difference between the ratings as do the three aforementioned pollsters.

But I still contend that asking about favorability after asking about approval is a prompt to respondents to answer the question differently.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 01, 2010, 11:04:05 PM
The number you saw comes from either AP, Bloomberg, or Battleground.  Those pollsters are pretty hawkish on the difference between favorability and approval.

Every other poll, such as Rasmussen, Democracy Corps(D), NBC/WSJ, doesn't find that much difference between the ratings as do the three aforementioned pollsters.

But I still contend that asking about favorability after asking about approval is a prompt to respondents to answer the question differently.

I think there is a difference.

You can have a favourable opinion of someone, but not approve of the way they're handling the job. It's interesting, it's rarely the other way in the US.

It seems people can separate liking them as a person, from the job they do... but not consider them doing a good job but disliking them... which is what I felt for Kevin Rudd... I actually felt he was doing a good job, but I didn't like him very much...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 01, 2010, 11:11:28 PM
I understand there's a difference but the way it's asked about in polls seems to create that distinction.
I think it's hard to poll both questions in the same poll.  Doing so creates a prompt in my opinion.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 01, 2010, 11:22:52 PM
The number you saw comes from either AP, Bloomberg, or Battleground.  Those pollsters are pretty hawkish on the difference between favorability and approval.

Every other poll, such as Rasmussen, Democracy Corps(D), NBC/WSJ, doesn't find that much difference between the ratings as do the three aforementioned pollsters.

But I still contend that asking about favorability after asking about approval is a prompt to respondents to answer the question differently.

I think there is a difference.

You can have a favourable opinion of someone, but not approve of the way they're handling the job. It's interesting, it's rarely the other way in the US.

It did happen in the later years of the Clinton White House.  People thought he was scum in his personal life, but did a good job as president.  So his job approval was higher than his favorability.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 01, 2010, 11:33:43 PM
The number you saw comes from either AP, Bloomberg, or Battleground.  Those pollsters are pretty hawkish on the difference between favorability and approval.

Every other poll, such as Rasmussen, Democracy Corps(D), NBC/WSJ, doesn't find that much difference between the ratings as do the three aforementioned pollsters.

But I still contend that asking about favorability after asking about approval is a prompt to respondents to answer the question differently.

I think there is a difference.

You can have a favourable opinion of someone, but not approve of the way they're handling the job. It's interesting, it's rarely the other way in the US.

It did happen in the later years of the Clinton White House.  People thought he was scum in his personal life, but did a good job as president.  So his job approval was higher than his favorability.



Good point...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Stranger in a strange land on October 02, 2010, 01:17:20 AM
The number you saw comes from either AP, Bloomberg, or Battleground.  Those pollsters are pretty hawkish on the difference between favorability and approval.

Every other poll, such as Rasmussen, Democracy Corps(D), NBC/WSJ, doesn't find that much difference between the ratings as do the three aforementioned pollsters.

But I still contend that asking about favorability after asking about approval is a prompt to respondents to answer the question differently.

I think there is a difference.

You can have a favourable opinion of someone, but not approve of the way they're handling the job. It's interesting, it's rarely the other way in the US.

It seems people can separate liking them as a person, from the job they do... but not consider them doing a good job but disliking them... which is what I felt for Kevin Rudd... I actually felt he was doing a good job, but I didn't like him very much...

I think Bill Clinton's approvals outran his favorability during most of his second term.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on October 02, 2010, 09:28:46 AM
Update for end of August 2010 (unless something changes greatly in the last couple of days):

All State Polls:  46% Approve (nc), 51% Disapprove (+1)
Rasmussen (3-poll):  47% Approve (-1), 52% Disapprove (+1)
Rasmussen (1-poll only): 47% Approve (nc), 53% Disapprove (+1)
Non-Rasmussen Only:  44% Approve (-2), 50% Disapprove (+1)

Need to recorrect slightly...  Last changes will come through tomorrow.

All State Polls:  45% Approve (-1), 51% Disapprove (+1)
Rasmussen (3-poll):  47% Approve (-1), 52% Disapprove (+1)
Rasmussen (1-poll only): 46% Approve (-1), 53% Disapprove (+1)
Non-Rasmussen Only:  45% Approve (-1), 50% Disapprove (+1)

For September.  I have narrowed the selection of polls for my average down to July, August and September.  The Fox News polls are included in all state polls, but no other group.  Numbers-wise, I don't think they'd change anything.

All State Polls:  44% Approve (-1), 52% Disapprove (+1)
Rasmussen (3-poll):  47% Approve (uc), 52% Disapprove (uc)
Rasmussen (1-poll only): 47% Approve (+1), 52% Disapprove (-1)
Non-Rasmussen Only:  43% Approve (-2), 52% Disapprove (+2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on October 02, 2010, 09:52:40 AM
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Spade's favorite map creation - this is one of the more important maps I have that says a lot of 2010 (and possibly beyond).  It also says a lot about the Obama power base.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 02, 2010, 11:12:59 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +2.

Disapprove 53%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on October 02, 2010, 12:47:21 PM
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Spade's favorite map creation - this is one of the more important maps I have that says a lot of 2010 (and possibly beyond).  It also says a lot about the Obama power base.

I think you've out Sam Spade'd yourself on this one.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on October 02, 2010, 01:27:54 PM
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Spade's favorite map creation - this is one of the more important maps I have that says a lot of 2010 (and possibly beyond).  It also says a lot about the Obama power base.

I think you've out Sam Spade'd yourself on this one.

:) 

The Key:

1st Part:  Rasmussen 3-poll average of approvals in each state measured against Rasmussen-derived national average from the 3-poll average state polls (i.e. national average is 47-52, Ohio 3-poll average is 46-53, so R+2)

MEASURED AGAINST

2nd Part:  2004 Bush-Kerry, 2008 McCain-Obama, 2004-2008 Average.
a) If more Republican than all three, then Solid Blue. (i.e. Michigan = D+1, with 2004 = D+6, 2008 = D+9, Average = D+7)
b) If more Republican than 2004-2008 Average, but less Republican than 2004 or 2008, then Light Blue.  (i.e. Nevada = D+1, with 2004 = D+1, 2008 = D+5, Average = D+3)
c) If equal to 2004-2008 Average = Green (i.e. Ohio = R+2, 2004/2008 Average = R+2)
d) If more Democratic than 2004-2008 Average, but less Republican than 2004 or 2008, then Light Red. (i.e. Oregon = D+9, with 2004 = D+7, 2008 = D+10, Average = D+7)
e) If more Democratic than all three, then Solid Red. (i.e. California = D+18, with 2004 = D+13, 2008 = D+17, Average = D+15)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 03, 2010, 09:23:34 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, -1.


Definite improvement in Obama's numbers.  Well off the lows.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on October 03, 2010, 09:32:14 AM
I'd like to pop into this thread to commend J.J. on being one of the few people reporting the numbers without being a hack.

*leaves*


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on October 03, 2010, 09:39:40 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, -1.


Definite improvement in Obama's numbers.  Well off the lows.

Now, if only Russ weren't such money grabbers and let us see the statewide approvals for free still.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 03, 2010, 12:28:22 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, -1.


Definite improvement in Obama's numbers.  Well off the lows.

...and not far off the recent high of 50%. 50% wins against anyone but a charismatic opponent; something a little less requires some campaigning. 

In any event, 48% is a good start before an electoral campaign is underway.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 03, 2010, 12:59:53 PM
Definite improvement?  He's "in range" as you would say and who's to say he won't be at 44% in two days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on October 03, 2010, 01:32:34 PM
Obama approval rating September 2010 (gallup):

45% Approve

47% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 45/39 (September 1978)

Reagan: 42/48 (September 1982)

Bush I: 72/18 (September 1990)

Clinton: 42/52 (September 1994)

Bush II: 67/28 (September 2002)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on October 03, 2010, 02:08:35 PM
Obama approval rating September 2010 (gallup):

45% Approve

47% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 45/39 (September 1978)

Reagan: 42/48 (September 1982)

Bush I: 72/18 (September 1990)

Clinton: 42/52 (September 1994)

Bush II: 67/28 (September 2002)


Oh, look.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on October 03, 2010, 02:44:59 PM
Obama approval rating September 2010 (gallup):

45% Approve

47% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 45/39 (September 1978)

Reagan: 42/48 (September 1982)

Bush I: 72/18 (September 1990)

Clinton: 42/52 (September 1994)

Bush II: 67/28 (September 2002)


Oh, look.

Reagan too.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on October 03, 2010, 02:57:48 PM
Obama approval rating September 2010 (gallup):

45% Approve

47% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 45/39 (September 1978)

Reagan: 42/48 (September 1982)

Bush I: 72/18 (September 1990)

Clinton: 42/52 (September 1994)

Bush II: 67/28 (September 2002)


Oh, look.

Reagan too.

Indeed, but at the moment I'm more inclined to believe that Obama will be more like Clinton than a Democratic Reagan. That'll change in the next 2 years, probably.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on October 03, 2010, 03:01:13 PM
Obama approval rating September 2010 (gallup):

45% Approve

47% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 45/39 (September 1978)

Reagan: 42/48 (September 1982)

Bush I: 72/18 (September 1990)

Clinton: 42/52 (September 1994)

Bush II: 67/28 (September 2002)


Oh, look.

Reagan too.

Indeed, but at the moment I'm more inclined to believe that Obama will be more like Clinton than a Democratic Reagan. That'll change in the next 2 years, probably.

No candidate will be winning 49 states any time soon. :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on October 03, 2010, 03:07:04 PM
Obama approval rating September 2010 (gallup):

45% Approve

47% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 45/39 (September 1978)

Reagan: 42/48 (September 1982)

Bush I: 72/18 (September 1990)

Clinton: 42/52 (September 1994)

Bush II: 67/28 (September 2002)


Oh, look.

Reagan too.

Indeed, but at the moment I'm more inclined to believe that Obama will be more like Clinton than a Democratic Reagan. That'll change in the next 2 years, probably.

So Obama spends his second term deregulating the financial sector?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on October 03, 2010, 03:24:32 PM
Obama approval rating September 2010 (gallup):

45% Approve

47% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 45/39 (September 1978)

Reagan: 42/48 (September 1982)

Bush I: 72/18 (September 1990)

Clinton: 42/52 (September 1994)

Bush II: 67/28 (September 2002)

Oh, look.

Reagan too.

And Carter, in terms of approval.  So 2/3 in terms of being a good sign :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 03, 2010, 03:38:00 PM
Obama approval rating September 2010 (gallup):

45% Approve

47% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 45/39 (September 1978)

Reagan: 42/48 (September 1982)

Bush I: 72/18 (September 1990)

Clinton: 42/52 (September 1994)

Bush II: 67/28 (September 2002)

Oh, look.

Reagan too.

And Carter, in terms of approval.  So 2/3 in terms of being a good sign :P

The difference is that Jimmy Carter had few legislative achievements as President. When he sought re-election, Carter had to make fresh promises that few believed.   

Of course the Republicans would like to believe that President Obama has only dubious achievements in his legislation. Anyone who steps on the money machines of special interests is going to face well-funded, loud opposition -- as President Obama now gets in the form of attacks on all Democrats in Congress.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on October 03, 2010, 03:44:06 PM
Obama approval rating September 2010 (gallup):

45% Approve

47% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 45/39 (September 1978)

Reagan: 42/48 (September 1982)

Bush I: 72/18 (September 1990)

Clinton: 42/52 (September 1994)

Bush II: 67/28 (September 2002)


Oh, look.

Reagan too.

Indeed, but at the moment I'm more inclined to believe that Obama will be more like Clinton than a Democratic Reagan. That'll change in the next 2 years, probably.

No candidate will be winning 49 states any time soon. :P

He could still potentially win 60-40 while only winning 40 states.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on October 03, 2010, 04:10:13 PM
Obama approval rating September 2010 (gallup):

45% Approve

47% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 45/39 (September 1978)

Reagan: 42/48 (September 1982)

Bush I: 72/18 (September 1990)

Clinton: 42/52 (September 1994)

Bush II: 67/28 (September 2002)

Interesting.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on October 03, 2010, 05:09:00 PM
Obama approval rating September 2010 (gallup):

45% Approve

47% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 45/39 (September 1978)

Reagan: 42/48 (September 1982)

Bush I: 72/18 (September 1990)

Clinton: 42/52 (September 1994)

Bush II: 67/28 (September 2002)

Interesting.

It's interesting that Carter and Reagan were in such similar positions in year 2, given their ultimate results.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 03, 2010, 05:16:51 PM
Obama approval rating September 2010 (gallup):

45% Approve

47% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 45/39 (September 1978)

Reagan: 42/48 (September 1982)

Bush I: 72/18 (September 1990)

Clinton: 42/52 (September 1994)

Bush II: 67/28 (September 2002)

Interesting.

It's interesting that Carter and Reagan were in such similar positions in year 2, given their ultimate results.

Actually, Carter had lower disapproval numbers at this point.  I think that might be the key and it has been a long term trend with Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 03, 2010, 05:20:24 PM
Obama approval rating September 2010 (gallup):

45% Approve

47% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 45/39 (September 1978)

Reagan: 42/48 (September 1982)

Bush I: 72/18 (September 1990)

Clinton: 42/52 (September 1994)

Bush II: 67/28 (September 2002)

Interesting.

It's interesting that Carter and Reagan were in such similar positions in year 2, given their ultimate results.

It basically just shows that there's no real correlation between presidential popularity at the 2 year mark and that president's reelection chances.  2 years is just too far in advance to make a reliable prediction on whether a president will be reelected.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on October 03, 2010, 05:37:59 PM
Obama approval rating September 2010 (gallup):

45% Approve

47% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 45/39 (September 1978)

Reagan: 42/48 (September 1982)

Bush I: 72/18 (September 1990)

Clinton: 42/52 (September 1994)

Bush II: 67/28 (September 2002)

Interesting.

It's interesting that Carter and Reagan were in such similar positions in year 2, given their ultimate results.

Actually, Carter had lower disapproval numbers at this point.  I think that might be the key and it has been a long term trend with Obama.

Obama has lower disapprovals than Reagan and Clinton.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on October 03, 2010, 06:32:18 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, -1.


Definite improvement in Obama's numbers.  Well off the lows.

Which is funny, because September has seen his monthly average approval numbers hit a new low, at 45%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_month_by_month

Though the numbers have shown remarkable stability throughout the year so far.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 03, 2010, 06:53:34 PM
Obama approval rating September 2010 (gallup):

45% Approve

47% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 45/39 (September 1978)

Reagan: 42/48 (September 1982)

Bush I: 72/18 (September 1990)

Clinton: 42/52 (September 1994)

Bush II: 67/28 (September 2002)

Interesting.

It's interesting that Carter and Reagan were in such similar positions in year 2, given their ultimate results.

It basically just shows that there's no real correlation between presidential popularity at the 2 year mark and that president's reelection chances.  2 years is just too far in advance to make a reliable prediction on whether a president will be reelected.


Presidents Reagan, Clinton, and so far Obama have had considerable legislative activity, a clear contrast to President Carter. Even without the fiasco of the Iranian hostage crisis, he would have had to make fresh promises that few would have expected him to deliver.

Of course, many on the Right hold that President Obama has had the sorts of (dubious)  achievements that will ensure his defeat in 2012.  Such is as much wishful thinking as were projections by liberals that President Reagan would have one term because of his (dubious) achievements.

An international debacle, a scandal, sharp deterioration of his abilities, or an unforeseen shift in political culture (the Tea Party Movement will not be enough) in American political culture could conceivably bring him down in 2012... but that is all unpredictable.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 04, 2010, 10:38:57 AM
Arkansas -- Rasmussen slipped out that Obama has 34% support there. First letter "J", one that I didn't expect to put on the map. No surprise there.

Wyoming, a bit later -- almost the same with 32% approval of President Obama.

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  129
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  81
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 108
white                        too close to call  48
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   6
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  9
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    151  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on October 04, 2010, 01:56:57 PM
Today he is at 48% approve, 51% disapprove which does suggest some modest upward movement over the past week toward more of a 50-50 landscape.

Strongly approve is 28% and Strongly disapprove is 42%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 04, 2010, 02:03:48 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -2.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 04, 2010, 03:58:54 PM
Gallup: 46/48


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on October 05, 2010, 09:50:16 AM
He's still at 48/51 today.  Strongly approve is up 1 to 30% and strongly disapprove is down one to 41%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on October 05, 2010, 10:50:36 AM
Nice to see that less Americans are blaming Barack Obama for the outcome of the economic policies of the U.S. since about 1980. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Edu on October 05, 2010, 12:50:31 PM
So this is the 5th straight day that Obama's numbers have improved. Nice.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 05, 2010, 02:26:01 PM
Not according to Gallup: 45/48


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 05, 2010, 05:02:28 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 51%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on October 05, 2010, 06:47:27 PM
PPP - Hawaii

Approve - 51%
Disapprove - 38%
Not Sure - 11%

http://www.dailykos.com/polling/2010/10/2/HI-1/11/5ZR4S

No real surprises in the cross-tabs. Obama's approvals are worse in 18-45 than they are 45+. Who would have thought that with all the youth support Obama had in 2008?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on October 05, 2010, 08:24:11 PM
No real surprises in the cross-tabs. Obama's approvals are worse in 18-45 than they are 45+. Who would have thought that with all the youth support Obama had in 2008?

The Youth vote has been all over the place lately.  I think it's just dueling turnout models really.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on October 05, 2010, 08:25:24 PM
No real surprises in the cross-tabs. Obama's approvals are worse in 18-45 than they are 45+. Who would have thought that with all the youth support Obama had in 2008?

The Youth vote has been all over the place lately.  I think it's just dueling turnout models really.

Probably.  I don't think they put a ton of college-aged people in the "likely voters" category. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 05, 2010, 10:04:51 PM
Arizona (Rasmussen, 40% approval). For entertainment purposes only.

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  129
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  81
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 108
white                        too close to call  48
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   6
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  20
deep blue                 Republican over 10%    140  



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on October 05, 2010, 10:35:14 PM
This is the time of year when the most approval ratings hit - and now pbrower goes off to hide.  what a surprise.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on October 06, 2010, 07:15:45 AM
This is the time of year when the most approval ratings hit - and now pbrower goes off to hide.  what a surprise.

Well, we've already called the 2012 race for Obama, so I think he's off working on his 2016 maps.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 06, 2010, 09:35:51 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on October 06, 2010, 01:11:53 PM
Gallup: 43-50


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 06, 2010, 07:29:20 PM
An Achilles heel -- mostly healed:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law


Monday, October 04, 2010


The number of voters who favor repeal of the health care law has fallen to its lowest level since the bill was passed by Congress in late March.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely Voters shows that 50% still favor repeal of the bill, including 41% who Strongly Favor repeal.

Forty-four percent (44%) now oppose repeal of the law, with 34% who Strongly Oppose repeal.

The percentage of voters who favor repeal of the bill is down seven points from last week and is the lowest level measured since March. Prior to the latest survey, support for repeal ranged from a low of 53% to a high of 63%. Meanwhile, the number that Strongly Opposes repeal is the highest level reached since late March.

Eighty percent (80%) of Republicans and 51% of voters not affiliated with either party continue to favor repeal, while 69% of Democrats are opposed.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on October 06, 2010, 11:27:33 PM
     Given that Support-Oppose is still underwater, it's a bit early for Democrats to be celebrating.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on October 07, 2010, 12:24:44 AM
     Given that Support-Oppose is still underwater, it's a bit early for Democrats to be celebrating.

And given that this number has dropped wildly before and then immediately sprung back up, i wouldn't start partying yet.  Between Late May and Late June, support for repeal fell gradually each week from 63% to 52%, then in July shot back up to 62%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 07, 2010, 10:29:42 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, -2.

Disapprove 53%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 07, 2010, 01:58:28 PM
CNN/Opinion Research Among registered voters

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/10/06/topstate5.pdf

Nevada: 44/51
New York: 54/39
Connecitcut: 52/42
Missouri: 37/55


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on October 07, 2010, 02:05:25 PM
CNN/Opinion Research Among registered voters

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/10/06/topstate5.pdf

Nevada: 44/51
New York: 54/39
Connecitcut: 52/42
Missouri: 37/55

When you look at the likely voters you see a rather large drop.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 08, 2010, 08:48:45 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

Very stable, but Obama has had a slight medium term improvement.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on October 08, 2010, 06:32:10 PM
Added Arizona and Hawaii

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30% Or Lower: Red-9
40%-30% Approval: Red-5
40-44% Approval: Red-4
45-49% Approval: Yellow-3
50% Approval Equal: Yellow-1 (White)
50% Approval Greater: Green-3
50-55%: Green-4
56-59%: Green-6
60%+: Green-8
DC - Blue -

NOTE: I can't get the Maine/Nebraska lettering to work:

MAINE-RASMUSSEN
NEBRASKA-UNKNOWN

POLLING KEY:
R-Rasmussen Reports
PPP-Public Policy Polling
Q-Quinnipiac
U-Unknown*

*I'm only going to use this for ones that I took from pbrower's map, these will be disappearing soon enough.

I will NOT use any Media Polling - no MSNBC, CNN, or FOX.

2012

This tab will show the current likelihood of the GOP taking back the white house. I take the current leading GOP hopeful and current approval ratings to predict what the map may start out like before campaigning and polling. This map shows, essentially, what the situation would look like if the campaign began tomorrow.

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Assured Obama - 6
Safe Obama - 124
Likely Obama - 28
Leaning Obama - 108
Tossup - 24
Leaning Romney - 0
Likely Romney - 107
Safe Romney - 103
Assured Romney - 15

Obama - 270
Romney - 244
Tossup - 24


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Republic on October 08, 2010, 06:38:38 PM
NOTE: I can't get the Maine/Nebraska lettering to work:

Change the year near the start of the code from 2008 to 1964.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 09, 2010, 12:35:31 PM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, +1.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%,.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on October 09, 2010, 12:39:36 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

Very stable, but Obama has had a slight medium term improvement.

The state polls don't reflect any improvement, btw, but then again, they always said approval numbers of 46-47 vs. 52-53 disapprove, even last month.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on October 09, 2010, 03:29:50 PM
Gallup 47/46

First time he's been positive in their rankings in a long time.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 09, 2010, 04:10:07 PM
I think he was positive a week and a half ago in Gallup.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on October 09, 2010, 04:34:33 PM
I think he was positive a week and a half ago in Gallup.

I checked on Pollster. Mid-September was the earliest I noticed.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on October 09, 2010, 04:50:00 PM
Gallup 47/46

First time he's been positive in their rankings in a long time.

He was positive in Late July - it's only been a few months, not too long.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 09, 2010, 05:13:04 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

Very stable, but Obama has had a slight medium term improvement.

The state polls don't reflect any improvement, btw, but then again, they always said approval numbers of 46-47 vs. 52-53 disapprove, even last month.

I'm basically talking about a 2-3 month improvement.  These numbers are certainly an improvement off the lows.

And yes, there was more recent positive Gallup numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 09, 2010, 06:54:29 PM
Wrong Odysseus...see the post right above yours.  Thanks for playing though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 10, 2010, 08:45:24 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 49%, +1.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

I'd kind of expect the gap to open up a bit tomorrow.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on October 10, 2010, 10:19:59 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 49%, +1.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

I'd kind of expect the gap to open up a bit tomorrow.

Is it possible for him to actually hit 50 without it being a bad sample?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 10, 2010, 10:28:28 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 49%, +1.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

I'd kind of expect the gap to open up a bit tomorrow.

Is it possible for him to actually hit 50 without it being a bad sample?

The pattern that has developed is approval, high 40's, disapproval low 50's.  The last time, within the last month, Obama hit 50, he couldn't hold it.

If he holds these number for 2-3 more days, it becomes real movement and not noise.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on October 10, 2010, 10:31:04 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 49%, +1.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

I'd kind of expect the gap to open up a bit tomorrow.

Is it possible for him to actually hit 50 without it being a bad sample?

Yes. If it hits 50 then his improvement will continue rising, and the current bad trend we've had over the past few months will switch over to positive 50s, negative 40s. We're not going to stay below the fifties forever (as much as our GOP friends would love you to believe the opposite). Right now, somewhat ironically, Obama's own approval graph looks remarkably similar to Reagan's.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on October 10, 2010, 11:47:51 AM
It's campaign season, it will not simply continue going up. People need a reason to actually changes their minds.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 10, 2010, 12:15:47 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 49%, +1.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

I'd kind of expect the gap to open up a bit tomorrow.

Is it possible for him to actually hit 50 without it being a bad sample?

The pattern that has developed is approval, high 40's, disapproval low 50's.  The last time, within the last month, Obama hit 50, he couldn't hold it.

If he holds these number for 2-3 more days, it becomes real movement and not noise.

I don't encourage extrapolation. Day-to-day movements typically prove to be noise. It has been a while since the President has had approval ratings in the low forties, which may be more significant.

It could have more immediate effects in some Congressional races. Election 2010 is hardly set in stone, but the current pitch of the GOP and its front groups (Club for Growth, American Crossroads, Americans for Prosperity)is. The Hard Right have been savaging President Obama and any Democratic candidate who has any alignment with him. Running against President Obama may have been attractive in August and September, but it could become a trap for some right-wingers.

It might be too late for a political implosion by the Hard Right in 2010.  It is not too late for the rescue of some Democratic nominees for the House and Senate to save themselves without suddenly becoming conservatives (which would be a political catastrophe for themselves and their campaigns). Strange things have happened in sporting events -- like teams being down 0-3 in post-season play and coming back to win best-of-seven championship series. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 10, 2010, 12:16:23 PM
Gallup is 48-46 today (+1, nc)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 10, 2010, 12:36:54 PM
What Rasmussen may be doing is trying to get the Democrat Party and liberals to cite his polling showing improvement in order to discredit them.  When Obama falls again, he can point to how the Democrat Party and liberals were willing to cite his polls when he showed Obama improvement.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 10, 2010, 01:38:58 PM
What Rasmussen may be doing is trying to get the Democrat Party (sic) and liberals to cite his polling showing improvement in order to discredit them.  When Obama falls again, he can point to how the Democrat Party and liberals were willing to cite his polls when he showed Obama improvement.

That would not work. It is impossible to predict whether the bandwagon effect or complacency is more powerful. But at that, non-Rasmussen polls have shown some races getting much closer.

Polling is a tricky business, but interpreting polls is even trickier.

It could be that Democrats are running against some of the more outrageous statements of high-profile Republicans, including some candidates for Governor (Carl Paladino in New York) and US Senate (Sharron Angle, Rand Paul, Christine O'Donnell). Such is so in some Congressional races, too. Some stealth campaigns may be exposed as such.

Congressional representatives have typically represented their districts; shadowy right-wing groups  have tried to "buy" districts so that a heavily-agricultural district might become the political property of, for example, the oil industry even if the district has no more than average involvement with the oil industry. Likewise states.

People don't want higher taxes for themselves and generally don't care about how high taxes go on super-rich people to whom they have little connection. Most people don't want Social Security privatized, and they don't want lower wages. Politicians associated with toxic causes are often defeated.

That's one interpretation. The other is of course that the Tea Party Movement is convincing Americans that they can trust tycoons, executives, and executives more than they can trust liberal politicians. Perhaps people are beginning to recognize that their ultimate self-interest is in creating wealth without asking how the wealth is used irrespective of the personal consequences. Perhaps the loud repetition of right wing propaganda gives it the ring of truth.

Are people rational actors or are they gullible robots? Such remains a philosophical question beyond any convincing answer.

...Rasmussen usually gets the results... late, and then correct. Should the Democrats have perhaps a 50-46-4 split of the Senate (before one counts Lieberman and Sanders as Democrats and tries to figure what victorious Senators Crist and Murkowski are) and a bare Democratic hold of the House, then  Scott Rasmussen will explain very rationally how things got that way.  if you want a sports analogy, then consider the baseball team that loses despite having a 7-2 lead going into the seventh inning. It could be luck, but it could also be that the losing team has a staff of aging starters losing their durability to pitch later into the game and poor relief pitchers, and that the winning team has great bench players.

Everything is up for scrutiny in a political campaign -- including finances, associations, and even driving records. (Do not trivialize the danger of driving 51 in a 25 zone in an electoral campaign; a 25 zone is often a school zone in which speeding might kill a child!)  As Jack Webb droned on in his monotonous rendition of a suspect's Miranda rights to a criminal suspect in the 1960s series Dragnet, "anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law". A Republican who says that he supports repeal of the minimum wage, privatization of Social Security, or a new tax structure that lightens burdens upon the super-rich while increasing them on the working poor can expect such statements turned against him by the Democrats. Since they have used "voted with President Obama" frequently as an attack, the converse is no less valid.    If President Obama finds approval ratings near 50% nationwide, even the appeal "voted 92% of the time with President Obama" might not resonate so favorably toward Republican nominees in the more average districts as it did when approval ratings for the President were closer to 45%.

 

 

   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 10, 2010, 02:53:20 PM
Michigan:

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/political/exclusive-poll%3A-large-lead-for-snyder-over-bernero-michigan-governor

47/47 favorable/unfavorable

He won Michigan with 57% of the vote.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on October 10, 2010, 02:56:31 PM
First, your Rasmussen comment makes no sense. Pollsters jobs are to get results, not stories.

Second, favorables are meaningless.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 10, 2010, 03:21:48 PM
It was tongue in cheek.  The Democrat Party citing to Rasmussen for the Obama surge is one of the funnier things this election cycle besides watching moderate Republicans fail miserably.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Capitan Zapp Brannigan on October 10, 2010, 03:33:30 PM
Obama isn't in the Democrat party though, so why would they cite Rass to support him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on October 10, 2010, 04:50:27 PM
Democratic


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 10, 2010, 04:59:39 PM
Michigan:

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/political/exclusive-poll%3A-large-lead-for-snyder-over-bernero-michigan-governor

47/47 favorable/unfavorable

He won Michigan with 57% of the vote.

Approval rating and the proportion of the vote you get against a specific opponent don't have that specific a correlation.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 11, 2010, 02:00:16 AM
Michigan:

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/political/exclusive-poll%3A-large-lead-for-snyder-over-bernero-michigan-governor

47/47 favorable/unfavorable

He won Michigan with 57% of the vote.

In an electorate that is 15% more Republican than on Election Day 2008.

So his favorables would basically be the same as in 2008 ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 11, 2010, 02:23:10 AM
Or maybe the electorate has shifted since then.

I recognize your narrative for this November will be that the reason why the Democrat Party lost was because Democrats didn't show up but the reality may very well be that there are fewer Democrats as the country has shifted since 2008.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on October 11, 2010, 02:47:21 AM
Or maybe the electorate has shifted since then.

I recognize your narrative for this November will be that the reason why the Democrat Party lost was because Democrats didn't show up but the reality may very well be that there are fewer Democrats as the country has shifted since 2008.

Thailand certainly has shifted since the fall of Abhisit, but that's benefited the Democrats, not hurt them.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on October 11, 2010, 02:52:21 AM
Or maybe the electorate has shifted since then.

I recognize your narrative for this November will be that the reason why the Democrat Party lost was because Democrats didn't show up but the reality may very well be that there are fewer Democrats as the country has shifted since 2008.

Thailand certainly has shifted since the fall of Abhisit, but that's benefited the Democrats, not hurt them.

     I'm personally curious as to why Tender Branson would care enough to be spinning the loss of the Democrat Party. Maybe he has family in Thailand or something.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 11, 2010, 02:55:58 AM
I'm personally curious as to why Tender Branson would care enough to be spinning the loss of the Democrat Party. Maybe he has family in Thailand or something.

Opebo is like family to Tender Branson.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 11, 2010, 08:46:55 AM
Or maybe the electorate has shifted since then.

I recognize your narrative for this November will be that the reason why the Democrat Party lost was because Democrats didn't show up but the reality may very well be that there are fewer Democrats as the country has shifted since 2008.

Thailand certainly has shifted since the fall of Abhisit, but that's benefited the Democrats, not hurt them.

     I'm personally curious as to why Tender Branson would care enough to be spinning the loss of the Democrat Party. Maybe he has family in Thailand or something.

My post has nothing to do with "spinning the 2010 election".

It´s more about the 2012 election. Just because this year there are fewer Democrats turning out, it doesn´t mean at all that the electorate has shifted in the last 2 years. To the contrary, there has almost been no change in party identification in the last 2 years, check some of the registration figures below. Democrats are just sitting it out this year, but there´s a good enough chance that once the Republican Presidential joke is coming out of the primary, they will turn out en masse again. It´s the silent majority and they will be reactivated by the Obama campaign in Mid-2012.

As for the registration numbers:

California

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ror/ror-pages/60day-gen-10/hist-reg-stats.pdf

(The number of Republicans there has dropped to record lows)

In Florida, Democrats still have a 600.000 advantage over the Republicans, about the same as it was in 2008.

And so on ...

There´s no indicator that the registered electorate has changed the way for example Rasmussen wants to tell us it has ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 11, 2010, 09:00:23 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, -1.

Disapprove 51%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.



I'd kind of expect the gap to open up a bit tomorrow.

As expected.

Obama, however, has improved a bit since mid September.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 11, 2010, 09:05:20 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 49%, +1.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

I'd kind of expect the gap to open up a bit tomorrow.

Is it possible for him to actually hit 50 without it being a bad sample?

The pattern that has developed is approval, high 40's, disapproval low 50's.  The last time, within the last month, Obama hit 50, he couldn't hold it.

If he holds these number for 2-3 more days, it becomes real movement and not noise.

I don't encourage extrapolation. Day-to-day movements typically prove to be noise. It has been a while since the President has had approval ratings in the low forties, which may be more significant.



Actually, this comment is right, as we can see from today's numbers.

Personally, I look for trends longer than three days.  We've seen a short term (three day) increase where a pro-Obama sample probably dropped out. 

Longer term, over several weeks, we've seen Obama's numbers improve.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on October 11, 2010, 09:17:53 AM
Or maybe the electorate has shifted since then.

I recognize your narrative for this November will be that the reason why the Democrat Party lost was because Democrats didn't show up but the reality may very well be that there are fewer Democrats as the country has shifted since 2008.

Thailand certainly has shifted since the fall of Abhisit, but that's benefited the Democrats, not hurt them.

     I'm personally curious as to why Tender Branson would care enough to be spinning the loss of the Democrat Party. Maybe he has family in Thailand or something.

My post has nothing to do with "spinning the 2010 election".

It´s more about the 2012 election. Just because this year there are fewer Democrats turning out, it doesn´t mean at all that the electorate has shifted in the last 2 years. To the contrary, there has almost been no change in party identification in the last 2 years, check some of the registration figures below. Democrats are just sitting it out this year, but there´s a good enough chance that once the Republican Presidential joke is coming out of the primary, they will turn out en masse again. It´s the silent majority and they will be reactivated by the Obama campaign in Mid-2012.

As for the registration numbers:

California

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ror/ror-pages/60day-gen-10/hist-reg-stats.pdf

(The number of Republicans there has dropped to record lows)

In Florida, Democrats still have a 600.000 advantage over the Republicans, about the same as it was in 2008.

And so on ...

There´s no indicator that the registered electorate has changed the way for example Rasmussen wants to tell us it has ...

And there 's no real indicator which says that the registered electorate in any way follows the identifying electorate - party ID in the US tends to be a rather strange and fluid thing.

Besides, Rasmussen's larger partisan trends merely says that any shifts have occurred from less Democratic ID and more Independent ID, not more Republican ID.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 11, 2010, 12:17:22 PM
Party registration tells you nothing.  Party identification is what is key. There are plenty of registered democrats that identify with the Republican Party and would vote for the Republican nominee.

Meanwhile, he's at 46/48 in today's Gallup.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: minionofmidas on October 11, 2010, 01:12:57 PM
Or maybe the electorate has shifted since then.

I recognize your narrative for this November will be that the reason why the Democrat Party lost was because Democrats didn't show up but the reality may very well be that there are fewer Democrats as the country has shifted since 2008.
No; the reason why the Democratic Party lost will be because such unusual numbers of Republicanarians showed up.

This is not to say that minorish shifts haven't occurred since 2008. They probably have. That's just a "return to normalcy" thing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on October 11, 2010, 01:51:11 PM
This is not to say that minorish shifts haven't occurred since 2008. They probably have. That's just a "return to normalcy" thing.

Um, the "Return to Normalcy" campaign had the GOP winning almost 70% Majorities in the House, and picking up every single Senate seat outside of the Solid South.  It's actually a relatively good comparison


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 11, 2010, 03:27:34 PM
Or maybe the electorate has shifted since then.

I recognize your narrative for this November will be that the reason why the Democrat Party lost was because Democrats didn't show up but the reality may very well be that there are fewer Democrats as the country has shifted since 2008.

Not likely. The Tea Party has largely taken its support almost entirely from Republicans. It is simply louder.

One might expect a shift toward the Republicans if there were a shift  in America -- let us say a rapid growth in the Mormon or Fundamentalist Christian population. The former may be happening mostly in places that Democrats have no chance in which to win, but the latter just isn't happening.

The people with economic interests identical with those of the economic royalists of our time is not a growing group; it is largely an exclusive club. Racists? The KKK isn't growing, which would be one symptom of a growing racist movement. Programmatic racism is probably on the decline.

What has happened is that the Hard Right has thrown far more money into its loud campaign as a concerted attack on anything that violates the semi-feudal dreams of the American economic elite.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on October 12, 2010, 03:09:13 AM
Or maybe the electorate has shifted since then.

I recognize your narrative for this November will be that the reason why the Democrat Party lost was because Democrats didn't show up but the reality may very well be that there are fewer Democrats as the country has shifted since 2008.

Thailand certainly has shifted since the fall of Abhisit, but that's benefited the Democrats, not hurt them.

     I'm personally curious as to why Tender Branson would care enough to be spinning the loss of the Democrat Party. Maybe he has family in Thailand or something.

My post has nothing to do with "spinning the 2010 election".

It´s more about the 2012 election. Just because this year there are fewer Democrats turning out, it doesn´t mean at all that the electorate has shifted in the last 2 years. To the contrary, there has almost been no change in party identification in the last 2 years, check some of the registration figures below. Democrats are just sitting it out this year, but there´s a good enough chance that once the Republican Presidential joke is coming out of the primary, they will turn out en masse again. It´s the silent majority and they will be reactivated by the Obama campaign in Mid-2012.

As for the registration numbers:

California

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ror/ror-pages/60day-gen-10/hist-reg-stats.pdf

(The number of Republicans there has dropped to record lows)

In Florida, Democrats still have a 600.000 advantage over the Republicans, about the same as it was in 2008.

And so on ...

There´s no indicator that the registered electorate has changed the way for example Rasmussen wants to tell us it has ...

     ...I didn't say you were spinning the 2010 election.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on October 12, 2010, 05:00:52 AM
Or maybe the electorate has shifted since then.

I recognize your narrative for this November will be that the reason why the Democrat Party lost was because Democrats didn't show up but the reality may very well be that there are fewer Democrats as the country has shifted since 2008.

Thailand certainly has shifted since the fall of Abhisit, but that's benefited the Democrats, not hurt them.

     I'm personally curious as to why Tender Branson would care enough to be spinning the loss of the Democrat Party. Maybe he has family in Thailand or something.

My post has nothing to do with "spinning the 2010 election".

It´s more about the 2012 election. Just because this year there are fewer Democrats turning out, it doesn´t mean at all that the electorate has shifted in the last 2 years. To the contrary, there has almost been no change in party identification in the last 2 years, check some of the registration figures below. Democrats are just sitting it out this year, but there´s a good enough chance that once the Republican Presidential joke is coming out of the primary, they will turn out en masse again. It´s the silent majority and they will be reactivated by the Obama campaign in Mid-2012.

As for the registration numbers:

California

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ror/ror-pages/60day-gen-10/hist-reg-stats.pdf

(The number of Republicans there has dropped to record lows)

In Florida, Democrats still have a 600.000 advantage over the Republicans, about the same as it was in 2008.

And so on ...

There´s no indicator that the registered electorate has changed the way for example Rasmussen wants to tell us it has ...

     ...I didn't say you were spinning the 2010 election.

Stop spinning!!! Spinning the idea that you were accusing him of spinning into not accusing him of spinning... are you serious?

You cannot help yourself, can you?

I suggest you join Spinners Anonymous.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 12, 2010, 09:38:13 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, -1.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.


The Strongly Approve number has been mega stable, not moving out of a 4point range in the last five weeks.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 13, 2010, 08:46:21 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, -2.

Disapprove 54%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, u.


This could be a very anti-Obama sample coming into the system.  Strongly Approved is at low end of where it has ranged since the second week of September.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 13, 2010, 09:38:20 AM
Are we no longer tracking state polling here?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on October 13, 2010, 09:42:11 AM
Are we no longer tracking state polling here?

I am.  pbrower2a just gave up because he doesn't like the results.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on October 13, 2010, 03:56:27 PM
Are we no longer tracking state polling here?

I am.  pbrower2a just gave up because he doesn't like the results.
Didn't he say the source for his polls was now charging money, so he had to quit?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on October 13, 2010, 04:35:52 PM
Are we no longer tracking state polling here?

I am.  pbrower2a just gave up because he doesn't like the results.
Didn't he say the source for his polls was now charging money, so he had to quit?

     Yes, Rasmussen now only releases state-by-state approval polls to its premium members.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on October 13, 2010, 04:38:35 PM
Are we no longer tracking state polling here?

I am.  pbrower2a just gave up because he doesn't like the results.
Didn't he say the source for his polls was now charging money, so he had to quit?

     Yes, Rasmussen now only releases state-by-state approval polls to its premium members.
That sucks.  I wonder who would pay just for poll data (unless that was related to your job)?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on October 13, 2010, 05:47:55 PM
Are we no longer tracking state polling here?

I am.  pbrower2a just gave up because he doesn't like the results.
Didn't he say the source for his polls was now charging money, so he had to quit?

     Yes, Rasmussen now only releases state-by-state approval polls to its premium members.
That sucks.  I wonder who would pay just for poll data (unless that was related to your job)?

     Sam Spade, evidently. :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 13, 2010, 06:07:53 PM
CNN/Opinion Research among registered voters

Delaware: 56/38
Washington: 47/46
West Virginia: 30/63
Wisconsin: 45/51


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 13, 2010, 09:51:51 PM
Reuters/Ipsos: 43/53

Link (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69451X20101013?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FPoliticsNews+%28News+%2F+US+%2F+Politics+News%29)

GOp up 4 on the generic ballot.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 13, 2010, 11:52:13 PM
Are we no longer tracking state polling here?

I am.  pbrower2a just gave up because he doesn't like the results.
Didn't he say the source for his polls was now charging money, so he had to quit?

Precisely.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 14, 2010, 08:44:49 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 44%, -1.

Disapprove 55%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, +2.

This the lowest Approve number in the last three weeks, and it is below the Strongly Disapprove number.  It may be a bad sample however; if so, it should drop out on Saturday.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: theseoguys on October 14, 2010, 08:59:55 AM
I am always amazed of the 80% of people who are back and forth on the fence about their vote, depending on whether or not they 'like' the candidate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bahia on October 14, 2010, 09:31:07 AM
Very interesting. Best regards from Bahia    


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Inmate Trump on October 14, 2010, 11:16:20 AM
I can't imagine them making much $ off that.....why charge?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on October 14, 2010, 11:18:47 AM
Are we no longer tracking state polling here?

I am.  pbrower2a just gave up because he doesn't like the results.
Didn't he say the source for his polls was now charging money, so he had to quit?

     Yes, Rasmussen now only releases state-by-state approval polls to its premium members.

There are plenty of approval polls coming out that are not Rasmussen.  They just don't show the results he wants.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on October 14, 2010, 11:21:21 AM
Are we no longer tracking state polling here?

I am.  pbrower2a just gave up because he doesn't like the results.
Didn't he say the source for his polls was now charging money, so he had to quit?

     Yes, Rasmussen now only releases state-by-state approval polls to its premium members.
That sucks.  I wonder who would pay just for poll data (unless that was related to your job)?

     Sam Spade, evidently. :P

In 2008, I did the same thing - paid the last couple of months for premium data and then dropped the subscription after the election.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on October 14, 2010, 04:35:26 PM
Are we no longer tracking state polling here?

I am.  pbrower2a just gave up because he doesn't like the results.
Didn't he say the source for his polls was now charging money, so he had to quit?

     Yes, Rasmussen now only releases state-by-state approval polls to its premium members.

There are plenty of approval polls coming out that are not Rasmussen.  They just don't show the results he wants.
IMO, Rasmussen is one of the most reputable polling sources there is.  What are you using?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 15, 2010, 08:54:22 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 43%, -1.

Disapprove 56%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 46%, +1.

This the lowest Approve number in the last five weeks.

It is probably a strong anti-Obama sample moving through the system.  If so, it should drop out tomorrow.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on October 15, 2010, 09:55:32 AM
Are we no longer tracking state polling here?

I am.  pbrower2a just gave up because he doesn't like the results.
Didn't he say the source for his polls was now charging money, so he had to quit?

     Yes, Rasmussen now only releases state-by-state approval polls to its premium members.

There are plenty of approval polls coming out that are not Rasmussen.  They just don't show the results he wants.
IMO, Rasmussen is one of the most reputable polling sources there is.  What are you using?

Let's see - Quinnipiac always includes approval.  So does PPP.  As noticed, so does CNN/Time now (didn't before).  So does Suffolk in all states outside MA.  So does the Fox News/Rasmussen.  I'm missing some others, but you get my drift.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on October 15, 2010, 10:30:35 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 43%, -1.

Disapprove 56%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 46%, +1.

This the lowest Approve number in the last five weeks.

It is probably a strong anti-Obama sample moving through the system.  If so, it should drop out tomorrow.

That's 5 days straight of decreasing number for Obama, so if it does represent bad samples, odds are it won't drop off much tomorrow, but will drop off more Sunday or Monday.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on October 15, 2010, 10:34:46 AM
I see about as much going on in the poll internals as I saw when folks were talking about a material Obama rise.

In other words, yawn...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 16, 2010, 08:58:23 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 43%, u.

Disapprove 56%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, -1.

It didn't bounce up.  This could be a move away from Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on October 16, 2010, 10:56:41 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 43%, u.

Disapprove 56%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, -1.

It didn't bounce up.  This could be a move away from Obama.

Strongly ratings changed though. I'd wait until tomorrow before we call it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on October 16, 2010, 12:27:48 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 43%, u.

Disapprove 56%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, -1.

It didn't bounce up.  This could be a move away from Obama.

I'd wait until Monday at the latest to make that assumption.  No change means that the sample entering the system is approximately equal to the one leaving, and the sample that just left was more pro-Obama than this total.

In other words, this suggests that today's poll was better for Obama's than yesterday's, it's just that the 3-day average helps kind of mask that.

Also, this would represent Obama moving back down to his August numbers rather than falling to new lows.  In other words, his September/October "Recovery" has faded out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 16, 2010, 01:00:21 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 43%, u.

Disapprove 56%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, -1.

It didn't bounce up.  This could be a move away from Obama.

Strongly ratings changed though. I'd wait until tomorrow before we call it.

Optimal word is "could."

I'd rather wait to early next week.  :)  I'm in agreement with Dgov.

Remember, they use an average of the last three days.  If Wednesday's sample was overly anti-Obama, that would give us Wednesday, Thursday and Friday polls showing that overly anti-Obama sample.

It doesn't look like this is a bad sample problem, but we should give it a few more days to see a trend.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on October 16, 2010, 01:40:49 PM
The last 4 polls (rasmussen, gallup, fox and ipsos) give the same result: 43 %. (but with different populations: adult, RV or likely voters...)

For some weeks, Rasmussen is the reputable pollster who has given the best result for Obama.

I don't understand how it's possible that gallup gives 43 % with adults and Rasmussen 47 % with likely voters. Adults are more pro-obama that likely voters... can you explain that ? because it's more than "a bad sample".


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on October 16, 2010, 04:03:35 PM
The last 4 polls (rasmussen, gallup, fox and ipsos) give the same result: 43 %. (but with different populations: adult, RV or likely voters...)

For some weeks, Rasmussen is the reputable pollster who has given the best result for Obama.

I don't understand how it's possible that gallup gives 43 % with adults and Rasmussen 47 % with likely voters. Adults are more pro-obama that likely voters... can you explain that ? because it's more than "a bad sample".

Part of it is probably different  "Likely" voter criteria.  Part of it might also be the different numbers for "Undecideds"--Getting 43% in a Rasmussen Poll is very different than getting 43% in a Gallup poll or 44% in the CBS poll, given that Rasmussen has far less undecideds (56% Disapproval in Ras poll vs 48% in Gallup poll and 45% for CBS).  Part of it might be that Rasmussen asks for "Stongly approve and Somewhat approve" rather than just approve or disapprove, which might mike some people who were considering "undecided" say somewhat approve instead.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 17, 2010, 07:56:45 AM
Today (Rasmussen):

47% Approve (+4)
52% Disapprove (-4)

???


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on October 17, 2010, 09:22:49 AM
Today (Rasmussen):

47% Approve (+4)
52% Disapprove (-4)

???

:D


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on October 17, 2010, 10:23:20 AM
Today (Rasmussen):

47% Approve (+4)
52% Disapprove (-4)

???

A bad sample dropped off? Anyways, it seems like Obama's median numbers might have gone up just a bit from the summer.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on October 17, 2010, 11:14:49 AM
Today (Rasmussen):

47% Approve (+4)
52% Disapprove (-4)

???

A bad sample dropped off? Anyways, it seems like Obama's median numbers might have gone up just a bit from the summer.

It would seem this is the case.  He's probably right around 47-48% in reality right now.  He's certainly moved off of the lows of 41-43%.  It would make sense considering the NYC Mosque and Gulf oil spill stories were not positive at all for him and for the first time he's actually trying to boast about the Democrats' accomplishments in Congress. 

The midterms should be very interesting. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 17, 2010, 11:56:43 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +4.

Disapprove 52%, -4.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -2.

Bab sample someplace?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on October 17, 2010, 01:10:57 PM
Today (Rasmussen):

47% Approve (+4)
52% Disapprove (-4)

???

A bad sample dropped off? Anyways, it seems like Obama's median numbers might have gone up just a bit from the summer.

It would seem this is the case.  He's probably right around 47-48% in reality right now.  He's certainly moved off of the lows of 41-43%.  It would make sense considering the NYC Mosque and Gulf oil spill stories were not positive at all for him and for the first time he's actually trying to boast about the Democrats' accomplishments in Congress. 

The midterms should be very interesting. 

Just the fact that more Democrats are getting interested in the election now might be enough to explain Obama's movement. Note that this movement is only observable on Rasmussen and not the other polls, most of whom are of adults or registered voters. Since this is a likely voter poll, with the dampening of the enthusiasm gap since the summer, Obama's numbers have improved as well.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 17, 2010, 01:19:45 PM
Gallup: 44/48


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on October 17, 2010, 04:47:02 PM
If someone could post statewide polling, or direct me to them, I could make some maps again.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 17, 2010, 07:06:42 PM
Washington Registered voters
http://www.washingtonpoll.org/results/oct15_2010.pdf

Obama: 52/45 favorable/unfavorable

A 45% unfavorable rating in Washington gets Obama to around 50% unfavorables nationwide with registered voters.

I like to cite favorable/unfavorable to dispute the liberal narrative that people still like Obama personally but only disapprove of his actions.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on October 17, 2010, 07:14:57 PM
Washington Registered voters
http://www.washingtonpoll.org/results/oct15_2010.pdf

Obama: 52/45 favorable/unfavorable

A 45% unfavorable rating in Washington gets Obama to around 50% unfavorables nationwide with registered voters.

I like to cite favorable/unfavorable to dispute the liberal narrative that people still like Obama personally but only disapprove of his actions.

I imagine that, when asked if they have a "favorable opinion of President Obama," a significant chunk of people think job performance and not personality.  I know we call them "favorables" but I still think they're distinct from personal favorables.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 17, 2010, 08:02:24 PM
Couldn't you say that about anybody?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 18, 2010, 12:52:53 AM

Indeed you could, and it's probably correct there too in some cases...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on October 18, 2010, 04:23:48 AM

I think that people would be more likely to think politically when asked about Barack Obama than, say, Arnold Schwarzenegger, or even Joe Manchin.  There are a lot of factors to consider about a politician -- political ideology, political performance, personal approval.  My only point was that "do you have a favorable opinion of ____?" is not explicitly a personal approval question, and various degrees of the former two inevitably enter it.  So, your conclusion doesn't follow as obviously as you were making it seem.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 18, 2010, 08:28:41 AM
Today (Rasmussen):

49% Approve (+2)
50% Disapprove (-2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 18, 2010, 08:42:03 AM
Today (Rasmussen):

49% Approve (+2)
50% Disapprove (-2)

I can't get it yet.  :(


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 18, 2010, 08:58:42 AM
Up finally.

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 49%, +2.

Disapprove 50%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.

In their description, Rasmussen notes Disapprove is at 51%, but their chart says 50%.  Typo or rounding?



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on October 18, 2010, 09:02:40 AM
Up finally.

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 49%, +2.

Disapprove 50%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.

In their description, Rasmussen notes Disapprove is at 51%, but their chart says 50%.  Typo or rounding?



I would say typo.  There's not much point in rounding out approval numbers.:P

Anybody think he'll break even tomorrow or over the course of the week?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 18, 2010, 09:24:38 AM
Up finally.

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 49%, +2.

Disapprove 50%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.

In their description, Rasmussen notes Disapprove is at 51%, but their chart says 50%.  Typo or rounding?



I would say typo.  There's not much point in rounding out approval numbers.:P

Anybody think he'll break even tomorrow or over the course of the week?

Well, which is the typo, the chart or the text?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on October 18, 2010, 09:26:56 AM
I think probably an abnormally bad sample dropped off and was replaced by an abnormally good one.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on October 18, 2010, 11:01:30 AM
Swing back?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 18, 2010, 12:07:58 PM
Gallup today:

46-46 (+2, -2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 18, 2010, 12:28:50 PM

Maybe.

Obama's numbers were obviously off the lows.  There has been some swing back.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on October 18, 2010, 06:36:22 PM

Well, Obama's 4-point Gain a few days ago just screams "Really bad Obama sample replaced with really good one" so expect that one to come out and have his numbers fall back down a bit in a few days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 19, 2010, 09:08:19 AM
It seems a very favorable Obama-sample has rolled in @ Rasmussen today (and yesterday):

49% Approve (nc)
50% Disapprove (nc)

30% Strongly Approve (+2)
40% Strongly Disapprove (-1)

This is the best index (-10) for Obama since August 8.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 19, 2010, 09:09:06 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 49%, u.

Disapprove 50%, u. (possibly -1)

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -1.

Thursday and Friday should show the trend.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 19, 2010, 12:05:05 PM
Gallup goes up again today:

48% Approve (+2)
44% Disapprove (-2)

This is the best rating for Obama since mid July.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 20, 2010, 08:54:36 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, -2

Disapprove 52%, +2

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +2.

Strange.  We should get a better idea by the weekend.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 20, 2010, 12:04:04 PM
Gallup also down today:

46-46 (-2, +2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 20, 2010, 12:37:31 PM
We say and see the same thing every week.

He goes up on the weekends then comes back to reality on the weekdays.

We pretty much repeat everything we say as we did the last week.

New York has his favorables/unfavorables at 56/41 according to Siena.  Now, unlike the Washington Poll I cited, this poll is of likely voters so Obama could argue that his favorables are higher among registered voters.  HOwever, Siena's likely voter polling appears indistinguishable from registered voter polling.

This poll provides more evidence that Obama's unfavorable rating is at 50%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 20, 2010, 02:49:08 PM
We say and see the same thing every week.

He goes up on the weekends then comes back to reality on the weekdays.



Saturday's poll still showed Obama down by a lot.  It isn't a weekly cycle.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 20, 2010, 07:34:38 PM


Among registered voters:

Alaska: 36/59
Arkansas: 33/61
Ohio: 45/49
Florida: 43/50

I guess Obama would take these numbers considering that they would place him at around 49% disapproval and around 46% approval.  His numbers are 6-7 points from his win percentage with the exception of Alaska.  I didn't think I'd ever see the day where a Democrat would have a 33% approval rating in Arkansas.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 20, 2010, 07:35:01 PM
Those numbers come from this CNN poll

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/10/20/topstate7.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on October 20, 2010, 09:41:53 PM
     Interesting that he has slipped to 36% in Alaska. Even when his numbers were at their worst, his approval rating in Alaska was stubbornly clinging to the low 40s.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on October 21, 2010, 05:08:08 AM
Obama's down to 44.7% Approval this quarter according to Gallup (Poll of adults)

He's also seeing a negative favorable rating for the first time (47-50), and by 39-54 Americans say he does not deserve re-election.

I'd love  to see these number put through the Gallup likely voter screen, but either way, this is bad news for Obama.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/143921/Obama-Approval-Rating-New-Low-Recent-Quarter.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 21, 2010, 12:28:21 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on October 21, 2010, 01:35:00 PM
47-48% would seem to be the new norm. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on October 21, 2010, 01:40:17 PM

I'm going to wait until mid-November, unless there is some real serious movement. I wonder if the elections are playing their toll on the forever campaigning president. There are also a lot of negative ads concerning him, also.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 21, 2010, 02:03:15 PM
The meme continues to die about people liking Obama personally but just disapproving of his performance.  He dropped a net 16 points in favorability.  This poll is also of all adults, so Obama hacks and Northeastern Republicans cannot say that his numbers are low because Obama's voters aren't turning out.

The Gallup on his favorability is consistent with the CT poll that Suffolk just released.  It has his favorables in CT at 54/40.  54% in CT gets about to around 46-47% favorability nationwide while 40% unfavorables gets him to around 48% unfavorables.  So obama being underwater in favorability is consistent with the state-by-state polling that we've seen in Washington, Michigan, and Florida.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 22, 2010, 09:01:56 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, -1.

Disapprove 53%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, +1.


The Approve and Disapprove numbers are probably in the middle of MOE.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 22, 2010, 09:54:08 AM

I'm going to wait until mid-November, unless there is some real serious movement. I wonder if the elections are playing their toll on the forever campaigning president. There are also a lot of negative ads concerning him, also.

The negative ads could backfire as they seem to be doing in some  Senate races.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 22, 2010, 11:26:46 AM
Minnesota (Rasmussen):

50-49


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 22, 2010, 12:04:15 PM
Gallup is crazy today:

42% Approve (-4)
50% Disapprove (+4)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on October 22, 2010, 12:17:19 PM
Gallup is crazy today:

42% Approve (-4)
50% Disapprove (+4)

Must be one of the biggest Gallup one-day swings....ever.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 22, 2010, 12:22:59 PM
Great news from Gallup!

I see that the Democrat Party has ramped up its attack on Gallup.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on October 22, 2010, 12:23:37 PM
Gallup is crazy today:

42% Approve (-4)
50% Disapprove (+4)

Must be one of the biggest Gallup one-day swings....ever.

Yeah, that's only 1 point off his all-time lows, which is weird if you consider he was positive a few days ago.

This trend will probably continue up until election day at least (wildly varying numbers), and will probably level off once the politics cools down in the month of December.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sewer on October 22, 2010, 01:01:46 PM
I see that the Democrat Party has ramped up its attack on Gallup.

What? Why is a Thai political party attacking an American pollster?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 22, 2010, 01:27:06 PM
In case you were wondering, the Democrat Party has claimed that Gallup's likely voter model is far too republican-friendly.

But that criticism wouldn't apply to what gallup is finding for Obama among adults and registered voters.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on October 22, 2010, 01:35:46 PM
In case you were wondering, the Democrat Party has claimed that Gallup's likely voter model is far too republican-friendly.

But that criticism wouldn't apply to what gallup is finding for Obama among adults and registered voters.

I really don't know why a Thai political party is this involved in American politics. It's really mind-boggling.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on October 22, 2010, 06:40:36 PM
Okay, Rock, we get that you are a hack. Congrats.

Just say Democratic for now on.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on October 22, 2010, 07:03:41 PM
I don't even get the whole "Democrat" thing. I mean, I know it's a sure sign that the person speaking is a hack, but other than that... is it some kind of play on the word "rat"? ???


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 22, 2010, 07:08:29 PM
Hey "true 'Republican,'" why don't you tell me again how conservative the New Jersey Republican electorate is?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on October 22, 2010, 07:12:38 PM
I don't even get the whole "Democrat" thing. I mean, I know it's a sure sign that the person speaking is a hack, but other than that... is it some kind of play on the word "rat"? ???

Some people think it's hilarious apparently.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 22, 2010, 07:14:33 PM
I don't even get the whole "Democrat" thing. I mean, I know it's a sure sign that the person speaking is a hack, but other than that... is it some kind of play on the word "rat"? ???

Wikipedia explains everything:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(phrase)

Quote
Modern usage of the term has been traced by William Safire to Thomas Dewey who he credits with its creation.[2] The term gained popularity during the 1940 presidential campaign of Wendell Wilkie. Wilkie's campaign manager Harold Stassen said, regarding his use in the 1940s, that because the Democratic Party was controlled "by Hague in New Jersey, Pendergast in Missouri and Kelly-Nash in Chicago, [it] should not be called a 'Democratic Party.' It should be called the 'Democrat Party.'"[16]

The noun-as-adjective has been used by Republican leaders since the 1940s and appears in most GOP national platforms since 1948.[17] Indeed, in the early 1950s the term was widespread among Republicans of all factions, especially in the 1952 election.[18] In 1968, Congressional Quarterly reported that at its national convention "the GOP did revert to the epithet of 'Democrat' party. The phrase had been used in 1952 and 1956 but not in 1960.".[19]


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on October 22, 2010, 09:59:35 PM
Hey "true 'Republican,'" why don't you tell me again how conservative the New Jersey Republican electorate is?

You still do not know what happened in that thread.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 22, 2010, 10:33:29 PM
Missouri

35/51 favorable/unfavorable.  He won 49% of the vote in the state.  Assuming the trends in Missouri hold up nationally, his favorable rating would be 39%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 22, 2010, 10:58:12 PM
Maryland
http://www.gonzalesresearch.com/polls/Latest%20Poll.pdf

52/43 approval/disapproval


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on October 22, 2010, 11:21:30 PM
Maryland
http://www.gonzalesresearch.com/polls/Latest%20Poll.pdf

52/43 approval/disapproval

Assuming this trend holds up Nationally, his approval rating should be about 43%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 23, 2010, 12:50:11 AM
California

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/other/APR_Obama1010.pdf

53/42 approval/disapproval among registered voters.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on October 23, 2010, 01:04:09 AM
California

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/other/APR_Obama1010.pdf

53/42 approval/disapproval among registered voters.

And among likely voters it's 49-47. Ouch.

Edit: Although it's hard to see how you can only have 55% approval if 81% of liberals, 64% of moderates and 30% of conservatives approve of the job you are doing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on October 23, 2010, 01:21:07 AM
California

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/other/APR_Obama1010.pdf

53/42 approval/disapproval among registered voters.

And among likely voters it's 49-47. Ouch.

Edit: Although it's hard to see how you can only have 55% approval if 81% of liberals, 64% of moderates and 30% of conservatives approve of the job you are doing.

That breakdown is about 20/40/40 Liberal Moderate Conservative (which gives 54% Approval), which is about the Country's overall numbers.  Though this is California, so that does seem very odd.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 23, 2010, 08:47:25 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, -1.

Disapprove 54%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, -1.


The Strongly Approve number is now the lowest since 9/20/10.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on October 23, 2010, 02:27:59 PM
Taking up pbrower's old job, hope people don't hate me too much.

-Missouri added.
-California added.
-Maryland added.

(
)

Key:


Below 40%: 60% Red
40-44% Approval: 40% Red  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
50%: 10% Yellow (really white)
50-55%: 30% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Out-dated poll = 30% Orange

Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December


IF OBAMA WAS ON THE BALLOT:

(this year, Obama versus Republican Front-runner)

 (
)

               
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater 102 
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin 99
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 15
white                        too close to call  109
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  5
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  50
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   164  

------
Total Obama 215
Total Romney 214

Toss Up 109


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fritz on October 23, 2010, 08:20:14 PM
We want electoral vote totals with those maps!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on October 23, 2010, 09:06:15 PM
We want electoral vote totals with those maps!

Done.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on October 24, 2010, 05:23:01 AM
Gallup:43%
Rasmussen:45%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on October 24, 2010, 05:30:19 AM
Odysseus how can you think OH and FL would be to close to cann today-NEVER!!!

House 2010: GOP:256 +77 DEM:179 -77
Senate 2010:GOP:52 +11 DEM:46 -11 Indys: 2 nc
Governor 2010: GOP:31 +7 DEM:9 -07 Indy: 0 +0
President 2012: GOP:393    Obama:131  Toss-up: 14

There`s a little change in the weekly electoral map forecast. WA moved from weak R to weak D!
If the presidential election would be held today a unknown GOP candidate would get 393EV while President Obama would get 131EV!The 14EV of NJ are a toss-up!

The Senate is 52/46/2  R/D/I!  Senate pick-ups for the GOP: AR CA CO IL IN ND NV PA  WA WI WV!

Governor picks for the GOP: IL IA KS  ME MI NM OH OK PA TN WI WY
but the Dems would pick: CA CT  HI MN RI
(and RI would go Independent)

And here is my weekly house forecast.
The Democrats will get LA_02 and DE_AL, but then these seats flip to the GOP for a gain of  77 seats:
AL: 2       AR: 1, 2     AZ: 1, 5, 8
CA: 11, 47    CO: 3, 4,7   CT:5
FL: 2, 8, 22, 24    GA: 2,8
IA: 2,3       IL: 11, 14, 17    IN: 8, 9
KS: 3       KY:
LA: 3      MO:4
MD: 1       MI: 1, 7, 8,9    MS: 1,4
NC: 8       ND: 1       NH: 1,
NM: 2       NV: 3       NJ: 3
NY: 1,4, 13, 23,24,29
OH: 1, 6, 15, 16, 17,18              OR:5
PA: 3,6,7,11, 12
SC: 5       SD: 1
TN: 4, 6, 8    TX: 17, 23,27
VA: 2, 5
WA:2, 3,6    WI: 3, 7, 8    WV: 1,3

President:

Safe Obama:       
DC (87.5/12.5)      
HI (59.0/36.6)       
MA (54.3/45.2)      
MD (53.8/43.7)      
RI (57/42.4)   
VT (60.2/39.7)
         
Lean Obama:         
NY (52.7/45.4)      
         
Weak Obama                  
CA: (50.7/45.2)
WA (47.7/47.1)


 

Safe GOP :      
AL (60.3/39.3)
AK (59.3/36.8)
AZ (60.9/39.0)
AR (64.6/33.3)       
CO (54.0/40.8)
FL (55.0/41.9)   
GA (57.3/42.7)
ID (69.5/30.5)
IN (60.6/39.3)
KS (65.9/32.4)
KY (62.4/37.6)
LA (62.2/37.7)
MS (63/37)
MO (53.6/35.7)
MT (59.5/40)
NE (65.3/32.5)
NC (56.2/40.5)
ND (61.9/38.1)
NV (55.3/40.5)
OH (54.9/39.7)
OK (66.0/33.0)
PA (52.6/39.4)
SC (60.8/39.2)
SD (60/39.5)
TN (62.4/37.4)
TX (59.2/38.4)
UT (67.2/32.3)
WV (64.3/29.4)
WY (68/31.4)
         



Lean GOP:
IA: (53.7/45)
MI (53.1/45.3)
NH (52.5/45.0)
WI: (51.1/43.8)

Weak GOP :
CT:(47.8/45.4)
DE: (47.6/46.3)
IL: (49.2/48.4)
ME:(51.6/4.3)
MN:(50.4/49.1)
NM: (50.6/47.4)
OR: (48.1/47.6)
VA: (51/49)


House 2010: GOP:256 +77 DEM:179 -77
Senate 2010:GOP:52 +11 DEM:46 -11 Indys: 2 nc
Governor 2010: GOP:31 +7 DEM:9 -07 Indy: 0 +0
President 2012: GOP:393    Obama:131  Toss-up: 14

There`s a little change in the weekly electoral map forecast. WA moved from weak R to weak D!
If the presidential election would be held today a unknown GOP candidate would get 393EV while President Obama would get 131EV!The 14EV of NJ are a toss-up!

The Senate is 52/46/2  R/D/I!  Senate pick-ups for the GOP: AR CA CO IL IN ND NV PA  WA WI WV!

Governor picks for the GOP: IL IA KS  ME MI NM OH OK PA TN WI WY
but the Dems would pick: CA CT  HI MN RI
(and RI would go Independent)

And here is my weekly house forecast.
The Democrats will get LA_02 and DE_AL, but then these seats flip to the GOP for a gain of  77 seats:
AL: 2       AR: 1, 2     AZ: 1, 5, 8
CA: 11, 47    CO: 3, 4,7   CT:5
FL: 2, 8, 22, 24    GA: 2,8
IA: 2,3       IL: 11, 14, 17    IN: 8, 9
KS: 3       KY:
LA: 3      MO:4
MD: 1       MI: 1, 7, 8,9    MS: 1,4
NC: 8       ND: 1       NH: 1,
NM: 2       NV: 3       NJ: 3
NY: 1,4, 13, 23,24,29
OH: 1, 6, 15, 16, 17,18              OR:5
PA: 3,6,7,11, 12
SC: 5       SD: 1
TN: 4, 6, 8    TX: 17, 23,27
VA: 2, 5
WA:2, 3,6    WI: 3, 7, 8    WV: 1,3

President:

Safe Obama:       
DC (87.5/12.5)      
HI (59.0/36.6)       
MA (54.3/45.2)      
MD (53.8/43.7)      
RI (57/42.4)   
VT (60.2/39.7)
         
Lean Obama:         
NY (52.7/45.4)      
         
Weak Obama                  
CA: (50.7/45.2)
WA (47.7/47.1)


 

Safe GOP :      
AL (60.3/39.3)
AK (59.3/36.8)
AZ (60.9/39.0)
AR (64.6/33.3)       
CO (54.0/40.8)
FL (55.0/41.9)   
GA (57.3/42.7)
ID (69.5/30.5)
IN (60.6/39.3)
KS (65.9/32.4)
KY (62.4/37.6)
LA (62.2/37.7)
MS (63/37)
MO (53.6/35.7)
MT (59.5/40)
NE (65.3/32.5)
NC (56.2/40.5)
ND (61.9/38.1)
NV (55.3/40.5)
OH (54.9/39.7)
OK (66.0/33.0)
PA (52.6/39.4)
SC (60.8/39.2)
SD (60/39.5)
TN (62.4/37.4)
TX (59.2/38.4)
UT (67.2/32.3)
WV (64.3/29.4)
WY (68/31.4)
         



Lean GOP:
IA: (53.7/45)
MI (53.1/45.3)
NH (52.5/45.0)
WI: (51.1/43.8)

Weak GOP :
CT:(47.8/45.4)
DE: (47.6/46.3)
IL: (49.2/48.4)
ME:(51.6/4.3)
MN:(50.4/49.1)
NM: (50.6/47.4)
OR: (48.1/47.6)
VA: (51/49)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 24, 2010, 06:17:18 AM
Interesting and highly optimistic... the Dems are not losing 11 senate seats.

Approval ratings against a generic mean nothing, and shouldn't be extrapolated out to draw such conclusions.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on October 24, 2010, 07:42:33 AM
Agreed.  "Anybody but Obama" sounds a lot more appealing then "Romney" "Palin" "Gingrich" or any other names that pollsters are throwing out there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 24, 2010, 09:22:45 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +2.

Disapprove 53%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -2.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on October 24, 2010, 12:06:35 PM
Hillary2012,

 There is no such thing as a "Generic Republican". Secondly, the only way Obama could lose Illinois is if it was discovered he was on a strict all-kitten diet.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on October 24, 2010, 12:25:34 PM
Gallup: 41-50

Tied for his record low on approval, but also a points less unfavorable.  It sums up the last year nicely to know that his 52-week high and 52-week low are a year and 14 points apart.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 24, 2010, 03:50:27 PM
Keep in mind too that Obama's approval rating is among adults.  His 50% unfavorable rating is among adults as well.

So the complaints about Gallup's likely voter model, some of which I consider valid and credible, wouldn't apply to what gallup is finding for Obama's personal numbers among adults.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on October 24, 2010, 04:29:45 PM
Olysses-TODAY Obama would lostso badly against a unknown candidate
but 2years are a long time and naturally it will depends who is running for the GOP
I have now doubt that MN WA OR IL DE ME NM will not go red in the end of 2012
but the dems must campaign there and it will not be a blowout like in 2008

but CO FL NV NC VA IN MO are gone

OH PA WI NH IA are defenetily in play


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on October 24, 2010, 04:41:31 PM
Olysses-TODAY Obama would lostso badly against a unknown candidate
but 2years are a long time and naturally it will depends who is running for the GOP
I have now doubt that MN WA OR IL DE ME NM will not go red in the end of 2012
but the dems must campaign there and it will not be a blowout like in 2008

but CO FL NV NC VA IN MO are gone

OH PA WI NH IA are defenetily in play

If FL elects Sink, CO re-elects Bennet and NV re-elects Reid in a year like this, then none of them are "gone".


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 25, 2010, 01:05:14 AM
http://www.keloland.com/news/campaign/poll2010/

south dakota: 27/53 favorable/unfavorable

That comes out to 36% favorables nationally.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: TheDeadFlagBlues on October 25, 2010, 01:52:26 AM
http://www.keloland.com/news/campaign/poll2010/

south dakota: 27/53 favorable/unfavorable

That comes out to 36% favorables nationally.
20% neutral on Obama? What?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 25, 2010, 01:56:51 AM
Battleground poll:

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM170_101022_bg42questionnaire.html

Obama favorable/unfavorable: 46/51


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on October 25, 2010, 04:26:59 AM
Battleground poll:

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM170_101022_bg42questionnaire.html

Obama favorable/unfavorable: 46/51

Republican Party Favorables/Unfavorables: 50/41
Democratic Party Favorables/Unfavorables: 42/50
HC law: 44/53

And on a moderate-less Conservative/Liberal ranking, 62/35 Conservative over Liberal

32/34 Republican/Democrat identification, 42/41 with Leaners.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on October 25, 2010, 06:09:18 AM
HC law is more popular than the Democratic Party? I'm not sure that I buy that one but there would be some great irony in that if accurate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 25, 2010, 09:42:35 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, +1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on October 25, 2010, 12:46:54 PM
Gallup: slight surge for Obama
43/48


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 25, 2010, 02:24:09 PM
FYI: obama's favorables in battleground fell by 14 points in one month.

54/45 to 46/51 favorable/unfavorable


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on October 25, 2010, 03:10:16 PM
FYI: obama's favorables in battleground fell by 14 points in one month.

54/45 to 46/51 favorable/unfavorable

That's kind of a big drop.  Was their first poll registered voters?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 25, 2010, 03:23:03 PM
Same as it always is: likely registered voters.  It's quasi likely voter screen, but one that doesn't make that big of a difference.  Obama is at 47/50 among adults in Gallup, so they are consistent.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 26, 2010, 08:37:49 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 26, 2010, 08:52:58 AM
Obama's numbers were a bit higher at this point last year, before the election.  It was not a good year for Democrats.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on October 26, 2010, 08:57:05 AM
Obama's numbers were a bit higher at this point last year, before the election.  It was not a good year for Democrats.

Judging by NJ and VA, yes it was a bad year. Democrats did well in the house special elections though and they defied expectations (but still lost) in NYC.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on October 26, 2010, 09:08:46 AM
Obama's numbers were a bit higher at this point last year, before the election.  It was not a good year for Democrats.

Judging by NJ and VA, yes it was a bad year. Democrats did well in the house special elections though and they defied expectations (but still lost) in NYC.

Well, NYC was a competition between a Liberal and a kind-of Liberal, so I don't know if that counts.  November was also when the GOP won in Nassau and Westchester, so it's not like the GOP lagged much in New York.

Anyway, Democratic turnout will probably be better than last year, but that's probably offset by Obama's roughly 7-point drop in the polls from then.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 26, 2010, 09:12:36 AM
Obama's numbers were a bit higher at this point last year, before the election.  It was not a good year for Democrats.

Judging by NJ and VA, yes it was a bad year. Democrats did well in the house special elections though and they defied expectations (but still lost) in NYC.

I said "not a good year for Democrats," but not a disaster either.

I think in PA, one incumbent Republican at the county level lost (and I contributed to his opponent).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on October 26, 2010, 10:11:29 AM
Obama's numbers were a bit higher at this point last year, before the election.  It was not a good year for Democrats.

I wouldn't read too much into NJ and VA, period.  They both went D in 2001 when Bush had ~90% approval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on October 26, 2010, 12:09:13 PM
Gallup:

Approve - 43% (NC)
Disapprove - 49% (+1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: WillK on October 26, 2010, 12:51:45 PM
Gallup:

Approve - 43% (NC)
Disapprove - 49% (+1)

I have been phone polled several times in the last week -- a new experience for me.  It has shown to me a flaw in the Approve/Disapprove stat: the question completely lacks any connection to why. 

Each time I was polled I answered Disapprove because I am disappointed in Obama.  I am disappointed in him for being too moderate on healthcare, stimulus, war, financial reform.  But my disapproval does not translate into opportunity for the Republicans.  Match Obama against any Republican, and I would pick Obama every time. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on October 26, 2010, 04:56:58 PM
Obama at 37%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FINALLY!!!!!


harrisinteractive


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on October 26, 2010, 05:37:40 PM
Obama at 37%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FINALLY!!!!!


harrisinteractive

LOL, an "interactive" poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 27, 2010, 12:59:25 AM
Among registered voters

SurveyUSA-North Carolina
http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/politics/2010/10/26/8514186/WRAL_News_poll_Oct._26_2010_.PDF


Obama: 34/54 favorable/unfavorable

That comes out to a favorable rating of 36% nationally


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 27, 2010, 11:35:15 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, -1.

Disapprove 54%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, +2.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on October 27, 2010, 01:56:06 PM
Added Polls:

SurveyUSA (NC)
34/54 Oct. 26
PPP (CO)
43/53 Oct. 25
PPP (KY)
34/61 Oct. 26
Muhlenburg College (PA)
41/52 Oct. 27



(
)

Key:


Below 40%: 60% Red
40-44% Approval: 40% Red  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
50%: 10% Yellow (really white)
50-55%: 30% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Out-dated poll = 30% Orange

Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December


IF OBAMA WAS ON THE BALLOT:

(this year, Obama versus Republican Front-runner)

 (
)

               
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater 102
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin 99
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 15
white                        too close to call  109
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  5
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  50
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   164  

------
Total Obama 215
Total Romney 214

Toss Up 109


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 27, 2010, 03:56:05 PM
It's like christmas when Obama's approval ratings come in:

Among registered voters for CNN:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/10/27/topstate8.pdf

Nevada: 44/52
Colorado: 44/51
Penn: 46/47
California: 54/40
Kentucky: 36/58


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on October 27, 2010, 06:44:11 PM
Poundintherock why do you take thRV numbers???
LV are much more important


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 27, 2010, 07:06:58 PM
Poundintherock why do you take thRV numbers???
LV are much more important

A week before the election, likely voters are hugely more important.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 27, 2010, 07:32:19 PM
Because I'm trying to show how much Obama is struggling by citing to registered voters because of the Democrat Party narrative about that the reason why Obama's numbers are so low is because his voters are getting screened out by tight likely voter samples.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on October 27, 2010, 07:38:07 PM
Because I'm trying to show how much Obama is struggling by citing to registered voters because of the Democrat Party narrative about that the reason why Obama's numbers are so low is because his voters are getting screened out by tight likely voter samples.

Again, why is a Thai political party so concerned by Obama's approval ratings?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 27, 2010, 07:56:31 PM
In case you haven't figured it out, I don't respect the "Democratic Party" [sic].  Therefore, I refer to it with a pejorative term.

CBS/NY Times has Obama at 31/42 favorable/unfavorable among independents.  Will the left continue to try and claim that independents only disapprove of Obama but like him personally?  CBS/NY Times is a pretty favorable pollster for Obama.  The sample includes 13% more  Obama voters than McCain voters and 9% more Democrats than Republicans.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/10/27/politics/main6997687.shtml?tag=contentMain


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 27, 2010, 08:02:23 PM
I've decided to rename 'Poundingtherock' 'floggingthedeadhorse'


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on October 27, 2010, 08:09:47 PM
In case you haven't figured it out, I don't respect the "Democratic Party" [sic].  Therefore, I refer to it with a pejorative term.

wOw ur so cool!!!11

Go get yourself a candy bar, buster.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 27, 2010, 11:01:56 PM
Just for comparison:

George W. Bush's favorable rating in the final CBS/NY Times poll taken right before the 2004 election was 48/42

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/12/politics/main3362530.shtml

So Obama's polling behind Bush in favorability right now, two years before his prospective re-election.  Two years after Bush posted a 48/42 favorable/unfavorable, he was down to 34/52.

The problem for Obama is that Obama is not polling well enough personally after only two years in office.  He hasn't even experienced the inevitable decline since most voters say they don't blame him primarily for the economic decline.  They have decided to dislike him personally even without blaming him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: WillK on October 27, 2010, 11:13:52 PM
Just for comparison:

George W. Bush's favorable rating in the final CBS/NY Times poll taken right before the 2004 election was 48/42

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/12/politics/main3362530.shtml

So Obama's polling behind Bush in favorability right now, two years before his prospective re-election.  Two years after Bush posted a 48/42 favorable/unfavorable, he was down to 34/52.

The problem for Obama is that Obama is not polling well enough personally after only two years in office.  He hasn't even experienced the inevitable decline since most voters say they don't blame him primarily for the economic decline.  They have decided to dislike him personally even without blaming him.

Compare Obama's polling with Reagan's. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 27, 2010, 11:29:15 PM
The "compare Obama's ratings to Reagan's" logic is ridiculous.  Why?  Because if Obama's ratings were high right now, I could just say "compare Obama's ratings to George H.W. Bush's ratings."  The logic would be that since Obama's ratings are just as high Bush I's ratings, he'll lose re-election.   You'd find that logic laughable and rightly so.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: WillK on October 27, 2010, 11:43:05 PM
The "compare Obama's ratings to Reagan's" logic is ridiculous.  Why?  Because if Obama's ratings were high right now, I could just say "compare Obama's ratings to George H.W. Bush's ratings."  The logic would be that since Obama's ratings are just as high Bush I's ratings, he'll lose re-election.   You'd find that logic laughable and rightly so.

What you have just pointed out is the stupidity of your own initial post. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 28, 2010, 03:40:13 AM
Comparing his ratings to Bush II (not immediately after 9/11 as that would be unfair) is pretty reasonable given that the two were not separated by much in terms of time and the similarities in their political environments.

Comparisons to Reagan and Bush I are just way too old and from a different political era.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 28, 2010, 06:44:38 AM
Dear lord...

Nobody is comparing him to Bush I, but the comparisons between Reagan and Clinton are perfectly apt. In Clinton's case it was an angry right-wing populist movement that carried away the Dem majorities in 1994.

You simply won't accept ANY ideas that suggest that Obama could win in 2012. What is comes down to is what happens to the economy (and I know you want it to continue to flounder, for more homes to foreclosed upon and jobs lost) and who the Republicans put up. An angry protest movement will NOT send a Republican to the White House in 2013.

AND... I really hope that reasonable Republicans out there realise that there is a chance to win here, but you want to keep listening to the Tea Party and Glen Beck (and his John Birch Society buddies) and nominate someone whose only quality is that they're angry... YOU WILL LOSE.

Btw - I apologise if anyone is offended by this, but it's really unbelievably getting on my nerves.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on October 28, 2010, 07:59:52 AM
Obama at 37%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FINALLY!!!!!


harrisinteractive

lol troll


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 28, 2010, 08:12:35 AM
Dear lord...

Nobody is comparing him to Bush I, but the comparisons between Reagan and Clinton are perfectly apt. In Clinton's case it was an angry right-wing populist movement that carried away the Dem majorities in 1994.

You simply won't accept ANY ideas that suggest that Obama could win in 2012. What is comes down to is what happens to the economy (and I know you want it to continue to flounder, for more homes to foreclosed upon and jobs lost) and who the Republicans put up. An angry protest movement will NOT send a Republican to the White House in 2013.

AND... I really hope that reasonable Republicans out there realise that there is a chance to win here, but you want to keep listening to the Tea Party and Glen Beck (and his John Birch Society buddies) and nominate someone whose only quality is that they're angry... YOU WILL LOSE.

Btw - I apologise if anyone is offended by this, but it's really unbelievably getting on my nerves.

There is a major difference, however.  Both Clinton and Reagan started out with relatively low poll numbers.  Carter, and GHW Bush had higher start numbers.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dan the Roman on October 28, 2010, 08:15:00 AM
Just for comparison:

George W. Bush's favorable rating in the final CBS/NY Times poll taken right before the 2004 election was 48/42

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/12/politics/main3362530.shtml

So Obama's polling behind Bush in favorability right now, two years before his prospective re-election.  Two years after Bush posted a 48/42 favorable/unfavorable, he was down to 34/52.

The problem for Obama is that Obama is not polling well enough personally after only two years in office.  He hasn't even experienced the inevitable decline since most voters say they don't blame him primarily for the economic decline.  They have decided to dislike him personally even without blaming him.

Bush was quite a bit below that in the fall of 2003, and earlier in 2004. Job approval ratings always converge with voting intentions in Presidential campaigns. Hence why Carter saw his go up in 1980 despite losing. Of course he was starting from a very low base.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 28, 2010, 08:40:32 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 44%, -2.

Disapprove 55%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, u.

Strongly Disapprove is the lowest since the second week of September, during the low week.

It could be a bad sample, but Obama's numbers have declined from two weeks ago.  If it is a bad sample, we should know by Halloween (trick or treat, everyone).




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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 28, 2010, 09:38:09 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 44%, -2.

Disapprove 55%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, u.

Strongly Disapprove is the lowest since the second week of September, during the low week.

It could be a bad sample, but Obama's numbers have declined from two weeks ago.  If it is a bad sample, we should know by Halloween (trick or treat, everyone).






The GOP smear campaign ends on November 2, when the Orwellian ads give way to ads touting Christmas shopping. Then things can be more normal.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on October 28, 2010, 11:12:49 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 44%, -2.

Disapprove 55%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, u.

Strongly Disapprove is the lowest since the second week of September, during the low week.

It could be a bad sample, but Obama's numbers have declined from two weeks ago.  If it is a bad sample, we should know by Halloween (trick or treat, everyone).






The GOP smear campaign ends on November 2, when the Orwellian ads give way to ads touting Christmas shopping. Then things can be more normal.

What are you talking about?  The EVIL GOP Smear campaign shall never stop!  MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH (*cue lighting strikes)

(It's Halloween d@mmit)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on October 28, 2010, 05:32:31 PM
Democrats pressing The Obumbler ot to run in 202

wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=220905


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 28, 2010, 05:38:06 PM
Democrats pressing The Obumbler ot to run in 202

wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=220905

yes... that looks like an objective website... lol

Obama is not going to drop out... deal with it.

...if Hillary is going to be president (and I highly doubt it) it'll be in 2017 and no earlier. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on October 28, 2010, 06:04:51 PM
Democrats pressing The Obumbler ot to run in 202

wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=220905
Why would you post that in multiple threads?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on October 28, 2010, 06:57:13 PM
Democrats pressing The Obumbler ot to run in 202

wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=220905

Stop trolling, you idiot.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on October 28, 2010, 07:25:18 PM
And here comes ECR....


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: East Coast Republican on October 28, 2010, 07:26:57 PM
Democrats pressing The Obumbler ot to run in 202

wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=220905

Stop trolling, you idiot.

Call me naive but I'm still amazed at how angry and rude people get on these political message boards.

As for Obama's approval at 37%, it's not true.  That poll is laughable.

Also, hey poster Andrew Cuomo!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 28, 2010, 07:28:22 PM
Yes, that poll is laughable.

So is any poll showing his  approval  rating positive.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on October 28, 2010, 07:28:53 PM
Yes, that poll is laughable.

So is any poll showing his  approval  rating positive.

lol


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: East Coast Republican on October 28, 2010, 07:48:11 PM
The newsweek poll is an obvious outlier, Mr. Cuomo.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on October 28, 2010, 07:55:39 PM
The newsweek poll is an obvious outlier, Mr. Cuomo.



A bit like you, then.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 28, 2010, 08:03:53 PM
Favorable/unfavorable in Indiana:

38/57

http://www.epicmra.com/press/Indiana_Oct2010_Media_Freq.pdf

That 37% poll is bs but he's not far too off from that number if these state numbers are correct.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: East Coast Republican on October 28, 2010, 09:37:02 PM

I certainly am an outlier here, Mr. Cuomo.  Have you taken a look at the endorsement map on the homepage of Atlas?  It's dominated by Democratic endorsements.  Simply being a Republican makes me an outlier on this left wing dominated site.

But that's not the only thing.  Not being a person who tracks someone's every move on Atlas every second (literally) using the Online Activity board also makes me an outlier from posters like yourself and others.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on October 29, 2010, 07:50:19 AM

I certainly am an outlier here, Mr. Cuomo.  Have you taken a look at the endorsement map on the homepage of Atlas?  It's dominated by Democratic endorsements.  Simply being a Republican makes me an outlier on this left wing dominated site.

But that's not the only thing.  Not being a person who tracks someone's every move on Atlas every second (literally) using the Online Activity board also makes me an outlier from posters like yourself and others.

You seem be confused as to what the term "left wing" means.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 29, 2010, 11:59:40 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 44%, -1.

Disapprove 55%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, u.

Skewed anti-Obama sample? 

Halloween approaches.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on October 29, 2010, 06:49:51 PM
FOX
Generic Ballot 50-37 R
Obama at 41%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on October 29, 2010, 07:16:49 PM

Because, as we all know, FOX is an unbiased, completely trustworthy network.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on October 29, 2010, 07:23:30 PM

Because, as we all know, FOX is an unbiased, completely trustworthy network.

Fox's polling outlet (which is done through other firms) is not at all unreasonable.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on October 29, 2010, 07:29:52 PM

I certainly am an outlier here, Mr. Cuomo.  Have you taken a look at the endorsement map on the homepage of Atlas?  It's dominated by Democratic endorsements.  Simply being a Republican makes me an outlier on this left wing dominated site.

But that's not the only thing.  Not being a person who tracks someone's every move on Atlas every second (literally) using the Online Activity board also makes me an outlier from posters like yourself and others.

You seem be confused as to what the term "left wing" means.

I bet you're young. Try not to insult and look for answers (from people of various perspectives).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on October 29, 2010, 07:51:28 PM

Because, as we all know, FOX is an unbiased, completely trustworthy network.

Fox's polling outlet (which is done through other firms) is not at all unreasonable.

I'm sure they have a hand in how the numbers turn out.  They are a propaganda outlet not a news network. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on October 29, 2010, 08:37:12 PM

Because, as we all know, FOX is an unbiased, completely trustworthy network.

Fox's polling outlet (which is done through other firms) is not at all unreasonable.

I'm sure they have a hand in how the numbers turn out.  They are a propaganda outlet not a news network. 

Perhaps you might want to actually look up the history of Fox News's polling before you accuse them of inventing statistical claims to advance an ideological claim.  Because if you were wrong it would be pretty ironic, no? :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on October 29, 2010, 11:16:03 PM
If you guys weren't clueless, you'd know that Fox News/Opinion Dynamics had consistently been leaning in Obama's favor according to Nate Silver.

Now, Fox News/Pulse is a different story.  They use a different pollster for their state polling.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on October 30, 2010, 07:39:01 AM

Because, as we all know, FOX is an unbiased, completely trustworthy network.

Fox's polling outlet (which is done through other firms) is not at all unreasonable.

I'm sure they have a hand in how the numbers turn out.  They are a propaganda outlet not a news network. 

Get a clue.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 30, 2010, 09:09:04 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, +1.

Disapprove 53%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, -1.

Skewed anti-Obama sample? 

Halloween approaches.  For Obama will it be a trick or a treat?




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on October 30, 2010, 09:40:02 AM

Because, as we all know, FOX is an unbiased, completely trustworthy network.

Fox's polling outlet (which is done through other firms) is not at all unreasonable.

I'm sure they have a hand in how the numbers turn out.  They are a propaganda outlet not a news network. 

Get a clue.

lol


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on October 31, 2010, 01:14:45 AM
CNN is propaganda as well, it's all how you look at it. Any news station can spew out their biased garbage. Left-wing, right-wing etc...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 31, 2010, 08:39:11 AM
Happy Halloween!!!!

For Obama, it is a treat.


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +2.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -2.

A bad Obama sample dropped off.

Obama gets a treat, but loses the House.  :)

Boo!



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 31, 2010, 09:42:04 AM
CNN is propaganda as well, it's all how you look at it. Any news station can spew out their biased garbage. Left-wing, right-wing etc...

CNN was four-square behind George Worthless Bush until 2006. Which way does the wind blow? There you will find CNN.

American news media fear Karl Rogue as if he were a General Secretary of the Communist Party in a "socialist" state. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on October 31, 2010, 02:03:36 PM
CNN is propaganda as well, it's all how you look at it. Any news station can spew out their biased garbage. Left-wing, right-wing etc...

CNN was four-square behind George Worthless Bush until 2006. Which way does the wind blow? There you will find CNN.

American news media fear Karl Rogue as if he were a General Secretary of the Communist Party in a "socialist" state.  

I don't care what you think about the man, but the fact is Bush had a very good first term. I support him less on his last 4 years, but overall I really like the man, and that liking comes especially from his first 4 years in office.

I'm getting his book for Xmas, and can't wait to read it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 31, 2010, 05:07:55 PM
...and what's your plan for the day after Christmas then?

:P I tease... you gave me the opening...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on October 31, 2010, 05:52:04 PM
...and what's your plan for the day after Christmas then?

:P I tease... you gave me the opening...

To continue reading? I'm not religious at all. I'm an atheist/agnostic and hate the religious part of the GOP and is why I lean heavily liberal on societal issue. But I love foreign policy more. And I identify myself as fiscally conservative, too, so I line up with the Republicans - although I guess I'm a moderate by definition.

But there's something about Bush I really admire. His ability to change stances (against nation building in 2000 to promotion of democracies post 911) is admirable.

I just turned 13 in 2000, so I was too young to care, but after maturing the Wilsonian, Truman, and then Bush mentality has really appealed to me.

You can hate Bush's policies all you want. Even I think some were poorly executed.

But in my opinion, Bush was a real leader and that counts heavily in my mind considering the nation needed a leader.

This is where Obama has failed. Again, you can like or dislike his policies. I don't like them, of course. But whatever your opinion is on his policies, the fact is that he's a VERY POOR leader.

And for this reason alone, I'd pick Bush every time. History will judge him well. He's already getting more suppot. Just wait for 20 years down the line. Bush was a good president. And I feel bad for him and the unfair criticism he gets.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 31, 2010, 05:58:05 PM
...and what's your plan for the day after Christmas then?

:P I tease... you gave me the opening...

To continue reading? I'm not religious at all. I'm an atheist/agnostic and hate the religious part of the GOP and is why I lean heavily liberal on societal issue. But I love foreign policy more. And I identify myself as fiscally conservative, too, so I line up with the Republicans - although I guess I'm a moderate by definition.

But there's something about Bush I really admire. His ability to change stances (against nation building in 2000 to promotion of democracies post 911) is admirable.

I just turned 13 in 2000, so I was too young to care, but after maturing the Wilsonian, Truman, and then Bush mentality has really appealed to me.

You can hate Bush's policies all you want. Even I think some were poorly executed.

But in my opinion, Bush was a real leader and that counts heavily in my mind considering the nation needed a leader.

This is where Obama has failed. Again, you can like or dislike his policies. I don't like them, of course. But whatever your opinion is on his policies, the fact is that he's a VERY POOR leader.

And for this reason alone, I'd pick Bush every time. History will judge him well. He's already getting more suppot. Just wait for 20 years down the line. Bush was a good president. And I feel bad for him and the unfair criticism he gets.

I was suggesting it'll be an easy read, so you'll have to find something to do the next day.

Hence, why I was teasing...

But in all likelihood, I'll buy it, I would love to see if the justification is more thoughtful and nuanced than it was when it was presented.

I'm not a fan of Bush (either social or foreign policy), but I will agree that Obama needs to be more forceful and determined.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on October 31, 2010, 07:23:09 PM

Because, as we all know, FOX is an unbiased, completely trustworthy network.

Fox's polling outlet (which is done through other firms) is not at all unreasonable.

I'm sure they have a hand in how the numbers turn out.  They are a propaganda outlet not a news network. 

Perhaps you might want to actually look up the history of Fox News's polling before you accuse them of inventing statistical claims to advance an ideological claim.  Because if you were wrong it would be pretty ironic, no? :P

I don't care if they had Obama's approval at 99%.  THEY. ARE. NOT. A. NEWS. ORGANIZATION.  PERIOD. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on October 31, 2010, 07:24:50 PM
Yes they are, now stop.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 31, 2010, 07:26:07 PM
Scientology is a religion because it says it is, same standard goes for Fox :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on October 31, 2010, 07:31:10 PM
The news reporting on Fox is way more professional then CNN.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 31, 2010, 07:33:21 PM
There actually are decent real journalists on Fox News... the prime-time headliners however, O'Reilly, Beck and Hannity all make a mockery of 'journalism"


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 31, 2010, 07:45:03 PM
There actually are decent real journalists on Fox News... the prime-time headliners however, O'Reilly, Beck and Hannity all make a mockery of 'journalism"

Beck, for his part, does not claim to be a "journalist."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 31, 2010, 08:28:49 PM
There actually are decent real journalists on Fox News... the prime-time headliners however, O'Reilly, Beck and Hannity all make a mockery of 'journalism"

Beck, for his part, does not claim to be a "journalist."

Thanks be for that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on October 31, 2010, 11:29:41 PM
There actually are decent real journalists on Fox News... the prime-time headliners however, O'Reilly, Beck and Hannity all make a mockery of 'journalism"

Beck, for his part, does not claim to be a "journalist."

The audience doesn't realize this, though, and that's the most important piece.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on November 01, 2010, 01:26:08 AM
CNN

Obama favorable/unfavorable: 48/48


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 01, 2010, 09:04:53 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 50%, +3.

Disapprove 49%, -3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.

My guess is a good Obama sample; he last hit 50% in late September.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on November 01, 2010, 12:12:52 PM
Gallup is at 45/47 for what it's worth.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on November 01, 2010, 01:04:20 PM
Oh snap, so Obama would be reelected if the election were tomorrow? :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on November 01, 2010, 02:35:49 PM
Obama approval rating October 2010 (Gallup)

45% Approve

48% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 49/36 (October 1978)

Reagan: 42/48 (October 1982)

Bush I: 57/33 (October 1990)

Clinton: 44/50 (October 1994)

Bush II: 65/29 (October 2002)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on November 01, 2010, 04:24:57 PM
Obama approval rating October 2010 (Gallup)

45% Approve

48% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 49/36 (October 1978)

Reagan: 42/48 (October 1982)

Bush I: 57/33 (October 1990)

Clinton: 44/50 (October 1994)

Bush II: 65/29 (October 2002)


If Obama's doomed I guess Reagan must've gotten WRECKED.  ; )


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on November 01, 2010, 04:28:51 PM

So guys, what did you think about the Mondale Administration?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on November 01, 2010, 05:42:15 PM

So guys, what did you think about the Mondale Administration?

That was more the Democrats fault for losing by nominating a bad candidate tied too much to Carter; it would be like the GOP nominating Dick Cheneya.  Mondale actually had a lead in the January Gallup polls.  Gary Hart might have beaten Reagan, extramarital affair aside (or at least made it a close race).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 02, 2010, 08:34:32 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 49%, -1.

Disapprove 51%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, +3.

There is still a bad sample in there; it should be totally out by tomorrow.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: riceowl on November 02, 2010, 10:53:41 AM
a bad bad sample or a bad good sample?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on November 02, 2010, 01:30:47 PM
a bad bad sample or a bad good sample?

A bad good sample is what he means.  I'm not too sure that 49-51 is wrong.  I would bet more on 46-47 in reality, but Obama's been campaigning and typically that is a good thing for him. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 02, 2010, 01:38:37 PM
a bad bad sample or a bad good sample?

Bad pro Obama sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 02, 2010, 04:29:01 PM
Response to the terrorist threat?

The adults are in charge.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 02, 2010, 05:32:49 PM
Response to the terrorist threat?

The adults are in charge.

It would have just done that for one day?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on November 03, 2010, 06:06:18 AM

So guys, what did you think about the Mondale Administration?

That was more the Democrats fault for losing by nominating a bad candidate tied too much to Carter; it would be like the GOP nominating Dick Cheneya.  Mondale actually had a lead in the January Gallup polls.  Gary Hart might have beaten Reagan, extramarital affair aside (or at least made it a close race).

Nobody could have beaten Reagan in 1984. The country had rebounded strongly from a recession and he had strong approval ratings.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on November 03, 2010, 08:48:28 AM
Considering the cnn exit polls and assuming the fact the republican candidate is a good one (not sarah palin...), obama would have losen if presidential election was yesterday.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 03, 2010, 09:16:54 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, -2.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on November 03, 2010, 03:16:10 PM
Midterm results are in!!

Rasmussen in month before election consistently showed Republicans 3-4 points stronger than they ended up.

...as per 538.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 04, 2010, 09:44:37 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, -2.

Disapprove 54%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on November 05, 2010, 07:19:44 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, -2.

Disapprove 54%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -1.


To be expected, I suspect the President's approval numbers will not approach 50% until after the State of the Union address.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 05, 2010, 08:30:21 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, -2.

Disapprove 54%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -1.


To be expected, I suspect the President's approval numbers will not approach 50% until after the State of the Union address.

There is some variability, as seen in the past week, so I thing a 50% mark may be hit again.  He won't hold it beyond a three day period.

The last time that Obama had numbers at or above 50% over a more than three day period was September 27, 2009.  Even the last State of the Union did not produce it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Inmate Trump on November 05, 2010, 08:32:15 AM
Midterm results are in!!

Rasmussen in month before election consistently showed Republicans 3-4 points stronger than they ended up.

...as per 538.

Nearly every single pollster had the Republicans up by 3-4 points.  It wasn't just Rasmussen.  What's your point?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 05, 2010, 08:33:33 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, u.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.

Less extreme feelings?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on November 05, 2010, 11:32:31 AM
Midterm results are in!!

Rasmussen in month before election consistently showed Republicans 3-4 points stronger than they ended up.

...as per 538.

Nearly every single pollster had the Republicans up by 3-4 points.  It wasn't just Rasmussen.  What's your point?

He's referring to the fact that Rasmussen polls overestimated the Republicans by 3-4 points. Consistently.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on November 05, 2010, 06:58:20 PM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, -2.

Disapprove 54%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -1.


To be expected, I suspect the President's approval numbers will not approach 50% until after the State of the Union address.

There is some variability, as seen in the past week, so I thing a 50% mark may be hit again.  He won't hold it beyond a three day period.

The last time that Obama had numbers at or above 50% over a more than three day period was September 27, 2009.  Even the last State of the Union did not produce it.

No, I believe a 50 mark will be hit again - certainly. His work with the now much more Republican congress will improve his numbers, so I would expect to see modest improvement above his current numbers after the first "major" legislative achievement of this new congress. Next spring perhaps. The state of the union this year could potentially improve his numbers I believe, if he shows some humility, responsibility, and confidence to fix the unemployment numbers. If his state of the union is reminiscent of the 2008 Barack Obama, and not the 2010 Barack Obama, I believe it could help him out a lot.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 05, 2010, 08:01:58 PM


No, I believe a 50 mark will be hit again - certainly. His work with the now much more Republican congress will improve his numbers, so I would expect to see modest improvement above his current numbers after the first "major" legislative achievement of this new congress. Next spring perhaps. The state of the union this year could potentially improve his numbers I believe, if he shows some humility, responsibility, and confidence to fix the unemployment numbers. If his state of the union is reminiscent of the 2008 Barack Obama, and not the 2010 Barack Obama, I believe it could help him out a lot.

His major achievement might be repealing Obamacare.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on November 05, 2010, 08:15:06 PM


No, I believe a 50 mark will be hit again - certainly. His work with the now much more Republican congress will improve his numbers, so I would expect to see modest improvement above his current numbers after the first "major" legislative achievement of this new congress. Next spring perhaps. The state of the union this year could potentially improve his numbers I believe, if he shows some humility, responsibility, and confidence to fix the unemployment numbers. If his state of the union is reminiscent of the 2008 Barack Obama, and not the 2010 Barack Obama, I believe it could help him out a lot.

His major achievement might be repealing Obamacare.

The American people did not elect either Barack Obama or John Boehner to repeal heathcare reform.  Only around 10-15% of the electorate thought that healthcare was a major issue this year. The American people elected John Boehner and the Republicans because the economy hasn't recovered yet - not because they are angry with a healthcare law that won't go into effect until the next midterm elections.

If John Boehner puts his effort into repealing "Obamacare" I would expect a swing back to the Democrats in 2012. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on November 05, 2010, 10:11:24 PM
Nate Silver has SurveyUSA at #1.

So even if you want to slam Rasmussen, SurveyUSA's numbers were worse for Obama because they polled his favorable rating.  Of course, some of the Republican hacks here don't like SurveyUSA.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on November 05, 2010, 10:21:53 PM
Nate Silver has SurveyUSA at #1.

So even if you want to slam Rasmussen, SurveyUSA's numbers were worse for Obama because they polled his favorable rating.  Of course, some of the Republican hacks here don't like SurveyUSA.

Quinnipiac actually narrowly beat them.
It's funny how PPP had a Republican bias. Of course I'm sure Republicans will still mention how they're for DailyKos.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 06, 2010, 09:26:42 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, +1.

Disapprove 53%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on November 06, 2010, 03:15:41 PM
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Key:


Below 40%: 60% Red
40-44% Approval: 40% Red  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow
45-49% with Dissaproval Lower: 50% Yellow
50%: 10% Yellow (really white)
50-55%: 30% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Out-dated poll = 30% Orange

Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 07, 2010, 09:41:21 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 54%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, +3.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on November 07, 2010, 10:27:56 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 54%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, +3.




Same old story...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 07, 2010, 02:02:21 PM
Here are the Obama approval ratings from CNN's exit polls:

AZ: 40-59
AR: 37-62
CA: 54-44
CO: 48-51
CT: 54-45
DE: 57-43
FL: 45-54
HI: 67-33
IL: 53-46
IN: 37-62
IA: 43-56
KY: 36-63
LA: 40-60
MO: 40-59
NV: 45-52
NH: 46-54
NY: 56-43
OH: 42-57
OR: 52-47
PA: 47-53
SC: 43-56
TX: 38-61
VT: 60-39
WA: 51-49
WV: 30-69
WI: 46-53

US: 45-54

* states in green have equal or higher approval than nationwide

Map:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on November 07, 2010, 02:26:01 PM
Is West virginia now in a category with Utah?

I suspect a good percentage, perhaps around 15% of those who disapprove of him, would vote for him in WV.

I have a tough time seeing any Democrat fail to get 40% in West Virginia.

It looks like SurveyUSA and Rasmussen have been validated as to Obama's numbers in Missouri and Indiana.  I recall that a lot of people questioned how his numbers in Missouri could look like his numbers in the deep south but that's what the exit poll showed.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 07, 2010, 02:34:18 PM
Here is the new map incl. recent (October) polls from PPP and Rasmussen:

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I couldn´t find any October polls for the grey states.

Rasmussen released some states only to Premium members, so if anyone with premium access could look up the latest Obama October figures in Michigan etc. it would be great.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 07, 2010, 02:39:12 PM
BTW, PPP & Rasmussen show different results in MN:

Rasmussen (Oct. 20): 50-49 approve

PPP (Oct. 27-29): 43-49 disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 07, 2010, 02:42:57 PM
It looks like SurveyUSA and Rasmussen have been validated as to Obama's numbers in Missouri and Indiana.  I recall that a lot of people questioned how his numbers in Missouri could look like his numbers in the deep south but that's what the exit poll showed.

Well, Obama is @ 45% US-wide and @ 40% in MO, a 5-point difference.

In 2008, the difference was 3.7% (52.9 to 49.2)

Missouri is drifting away from the Democrats since at least the early 90s.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 07, 2010, 03:04:51 PM
This is how I currently see the 2012 playing field based on the assumption that Obama can increase his national approval rating to 50%, which will normally also increase his approvals to around 50 in the green states mentioned above in the Exit Polls:

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SC seems to be a wild-card. Obama could have done much better in 2008 if he actually campaigned in the state and poured money into it. The weak result of Haley this year is also not good news for the Republicans, especially if Sarah Palin is the candidate. It also shows surprisingly good approval numbers for Obama in recent surveys which are higher than in GA and NC for example.

ME has wild results too, with PPP showing Obama with negative approvals and Rasmussen with positive approvals. Considering the good result in 2008, I´ll still rate it as lean Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on November 07, 2010, 03:12:54 PM
Keep in mind though that Shaheen is a much stronger and better candidate than Obama in SC.

A lot of people who would vote for Shaheen over Haley wouldn't vote for Obama over Palin.  yes, Haley performed poorly but that may just be that the guy is a stud in SC.

Look at the 2004 Alaska Senate race.  A lot of people who voted Tony Knowles over Lisa Murkowski voted for Bush over Kerry. (to be perfectly honest, I'm not sure who I would have voted for between Knowles and Murkowski in 2004 if I were an alaskan given how much of a b*tch Murkowski is).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 07, 2010, 03:18:57 PM
Keep in mind though that Shaheen is a much stronger and better candidate than Obama in SC.

A lot of people who would vote for Shaheen over Haley wouldn't vote for Obama over Palin.  yes, Haley performed poorly but that may just be that the guy is a stud in SC.

Look at the 2004 Alaska Senate race.  A lot of people who voted Tony Knowles over Lisa Murkowski voted for Bush over Kerry. (to be perfectly honest, I'm not sure who I would have voted for between Knowles and Murkowski in 2004 if I were an alaskan given how much of a b*tch Murkowski is).

Yeah, but the approval polls out of SC now seem to indicate that Obama seems to have lost almost NO ground with Whites in that state. Obama got 26% in 2008, Sheheen got 29%. If Obama could push the White share to 30% in 2012 and bring 30% Blacks to the polls, then SC could end up close. He would also have to campaign there and throw a couple million dollars into the state.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on November 07, 2010, 03:25:40 PM
It's not plausible for the black percentage of the SC electorate to be 5% larger in 2012 than in 2008.  25-26% is likely the high water mark.

Shaheen's performance probably is the best Obama can hope for in SC and again, he still lost by 4 to Haley.  Haley had some weaknesses but those weaknesses would have gone away had she faced Obama instead of a strong candidate like Shaheen.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 08, 2010, 10:03:20 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 53%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 09, 2010, 01:10:47 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, -2.

Disapprove 54%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, +1.



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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on November 09, 2010, 04:21:29 PM
New Jersey
Approve: 46%
Disapprove: 50%

Used to be 47% for both.


Quinnipiac
http://argojournal.blogspot.com/2010/11/poll-watch-quinnipiac-new-jersey.html (http://argojournal.blogspot.com/2010/11/poll-watch-quinnipiac-new-jersey.html)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on November 09, 2010, 07:06:17 PM
PPP :

PRESIDENT – CALIFORNIA (PPP)
Barack Obama (D-inc) 51%
Generic Republican (R) 44%

PRESIDENT – COLORADO (PPP)
Generic Republican (R) 50%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 45%

PRESIDENT – CONNECTICUT (PPP)
Barack Obama (D-inc) 50%
Generic Republican (R) 42%

PRESIDENT – ILLINOIS (PPP)
Barack Obama (D-inc) 49%
Generic Republican (R) 42%

PRESIDENT – NEW HAMPSHIRE (PPP)
Generic Republican (R) 54%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 40%

PRESIDENT – PENNSYLVANIA (PPP)
Generic Republican (R) 52%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 42%



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Inmate Trump on November 09, 2010, 08:52:16 PM
Good news for the Republicans in NH and PA (not so much in CO) as that's a pretty big gap between Generic Republian and Obama.  Obviously the #'s would tighten if actual names were dropped, but I really doubt it would be enough to put Obama in the lead in those 2 states.  Not that it matters much right now anyway.....


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on November 10, 2010, 01:06:07 AM
PPP :

PRESIDENT – CALIFORNIA (PPP)
Barack Obama (D-inc) 51%
Generic Republican (R) 44%

PRESIDENT – COLORADO (PPP)
Generic Republican (R) 50%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 45%

PRESIDENT – CONNECTICUT (PPP)
Barack Obama (D-inc) 50%
Generic Republican (R) 42%

PRESIDENT – ILLINOIS (PPP)
Barack Obama (D-inc) 49%
Generic Republican (R) 42%

PRESIDENT – NEW HAMPSHIRE (PPP)
Generic Republican (R) 54%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 40%

PRESIDENT – PENNSYLVANIA (PPP)
Generic Republican (R) 52%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 42%



If Generic Republican snatches the nomination, Obama is doomed.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 10, 2010, 09:34:41 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, u.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, -1.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on November 10, 2010, 05:36:05 PM
Gallup: Obama at 44%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on November 10, 2010, 09:07:38 PM
Can you put the disapproval for the numbers as well? Some people put more stock in the disapprovals, and some put equal stock in both. Thank you.

A: 44% -2
D: 48% +2


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on November 10, 2010, 11:12:27 PM
I'll be honest...Nevada and Colorado seem to be trending left.

I'm not certain Reid doesn't also beat Lowden and Tark or Bennett doesn't also beat Norton.

It looks like the West in general is moving to the left while the Midwest is moving heavily to the right.

The Northeast and South are what they are but there are some bright spots in both areas for the GOP and Dems (south carolina in the south and new hampshire in the north).



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on November 11, 2010, 12:41:59 AM
Anybody going to make an updated map for 2012?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on November 11, 2010, 12:44:29 AM
I'll be honest...Nevada and Colorado seem to be trending left.

I'm not certain Reid doesn't also beat Lowden and Tark or Bennett doesn't also beat Norton.

It looks like the West in general is moving to the left while the Midwest is moving heavily to the right.

The Northeast and South are what they are but there are some bright spots in both areas for the GOP and Dems (south carolina in the south and new hampshire in the north).



Seems like this state is trending left, and for the worst IMO. It'll be a messed up state in a few decades just watch, similar like CA and the leftcoast, runned to hell. It won't matter cause I'll find another place to move.

What I'd say the midwest and the rustbelts are trending right.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on November 11, 2010, 12:45:32 AM
I'll be honest...Nevada and Colorado seem to be trending left.



Definately.  Those were states that Obama would have carried in 2008 even if he had lost the popular vote to McCain(which looked possible for a while in September).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 11, 2010, 04:10:14 AM
Anybody going to make an updated map for 2012?

This is the new map with current approval ratings:

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No recent polling data for grey states.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on November 11, 2010, 04:56:14 AM
I'll be honest...Nevada and Colorado seem to be trending left.

I'm not certain Reid doesn't also beat Lowden and Tark or Bennett doesn't also beat Norton.

It looks like the West in general is moving to the left while the Midwest is moving heavily to the right.

The Northeast and South are what they are but there are some bright spots in both areas for the GOP and Dems (south carolina in the south and new hampshire in the north).



Seems like this state is trending left, and for the worst IMO. It'll be a messed up state in a few decades just watch, similar like CA and the leftcoast, runned to hell. It won't matter cause I'll find another place to move.

What I'd say the midwest and the rustbelts are trending right.

Right-wing, anti-tax policies are to blame for California's predicament.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: minionofmidas on November 11, 2010, 05:51:29 AM
He made it pretty clear that he's considering the mission accomplished and looking for the next piece of America to destroy. No point rubbing it in further.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on November 11, 2010, 06:33:48 AM
I'll be honest...Nevada and Colorado seem to be trending left.

I'm not certain Reid doesn't also beat Lowden and Tark or Bennett doesn't also beat Norton.

It looks like the West in general is moving to the left while the Midwest is moving heavily to the right.

The Northeast and South are what they are but there are some bright spots in both areas for the GOP and Dems (south carolina in the south and new hampshire in the north).



Seems like this state is trending left, and for the worst IMO. It'll be a messed up state in a few decades just watch, similar like CA and the leftcoast, runned to hell. It won't matter cause I'll find another place to move.

What I'd say the midwest and the rustbelts are trending right.

Right-wing, anti-tax policies are to blame for California's predicament.

Good thing they voted out all those evil Conservative Republicans who've controlled the state government for the last 40-odd years.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: minionofmidas on November 11, 2010, 07:04:19 AM
Try repealing Proposition 13.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 11, 2010, 09:35:45 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 44%, -1.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on November 11, 2010, 12:05:52 PM
I'll be honest...Nevada and Colorado seem to be trending left.

I'm not certain Reid doesn't also beat Lowden and Tark or Bennett doesn't also beat Norton.

It looks like the West in general is moving to the left while the Midwest is moving heavily to the right.

The Northeast and South are what they are but there are some bright spots in both areas for the GOP and Dems (south carolina in the south and new hampshire in the north).



Seems like this state is trending left, and for the worst IMO. It'll be a messed up state in a few decades just watch, similar like CA and the leftcoast, runned to hell. It won't matter cause I'll find another place to move.

What I'd say the midwest and the rustbelts are trending right.

Right-wing, anti-tax policies are to blame for California's predicament.

Good thing they voted out all those evil Conservative Republicans who've controlled the state government for the last 40-odd years.

Prop 13 and the 2/3rds budget requirement have hurt California more than any politician in the last 40 years.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 11, 2010, 12:12:47 PM
I'll be honest...Nevada and Colorado seem to be trending left.

I'm not certain Reid doesn't also beat Lowden and Tark or Bennett doesn't also beat Norton.

It looks like the West in general is moving to the left while the Midwest is moving heavily to the right.

The Northeast and South are what they are but there are some bright spots in both areas for the GOP and Dems (south carolina in the south and new hampshire in the north).



Seems like this state is trending left, and for the worst IMO. It'll be a messed up state in a few decades just watch, similar like CA and the leftcoast, runned to hell. It won't matter cause I'll find another place to move.

What I'd say the midwest and the rustbelts are trending right.

Right-wing, anti-tax policies are to blame for California's predicament.

Good thing they voted out all those evil Conservative Republicans who've controlled the state government for the last 40-odd years.

Prop 13 and the 2/3rds budget requirement have hurt California more than any politician in the last 40 years.

And the voters want it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on November 11, 2010, 06:12:13 PM
PRESIDENT – FLORIDA (PPP)
Generic Republican (R) 54%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 40%

PRESIDENT – MAINE (PPP)
Generic Republican (R) 50%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 44%

PRESIDENT – MINNESOTA (PPP)
Generic Republican (R) 47%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 45%

PRESIDENT – TEXAS (PPP)
Generic Republican (R) 59%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 35%

PRESIDENT – WEST VIRGINIA (PPP)
Generic Republican (R) 56%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 34%

PRESIDENT – WISCONSIN (PPP)
Generic Republican (R) 51%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 42%



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on November 11, 2010, 06:12:55 PM
Tander Branson can you make a new map please?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 11, 2010, 06:25:55 PM
Tander Branson can you make a new map please?

There are no new Obama job approval ratings to come out since his last map.  The PPP #s you quote aren't approval ratings.  They're head to head matchups, part of a PPP polling release which is discussed here:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=127849.0

This thread is for Obama job approval ratings, not general election matchups.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on November 11, 2010, 06:50:58 PM
Obama losing ME... come on.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl on November 11, 2010, 07:08:02 PM

Yep, Obama's finished.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on November 11, 2010, 07:18:53 PM
why not??
hes in big trouble in NH why not behind in ME??


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on November 11, 2010, 07:41:26 PM

Against "generic Republican"? Thankfully you lot will probably put up someone that makes 'generic Republican' look like Ted Kennedy.

why not??
hes in big trouble in NH why not behind in ME??

ME and NH, while having some similarities are not that alike politically, at the Presidential level ME has been roughly 7-8% more Democratic than NH.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl on November 11, 2010, 07:45:48 PM
why not??
hes in big trouble in NH why not behind in ME??

Because Maine hasn't voted Republican since 1988. This means Obama can't possibly lose Maine in 2012.

Claiming Maine would vote Republican in 2012 is as ridiculous as someone in 2006 claiming that Indiana and North Carolina would vote Democrat in 2008.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on November 11, 2010, 07:58:57 PM
why not??
hes in big trouble in NH why not behind in ME??

Because Maine hasn't voted Republican since 1988. This means Obama can't possibly lose Maine in 2012.

Claiming Maine would vote Republican in 2012 is as ridiculous as someone in 2006 claiming that Indiana and North Carolina would vote Democrat in 2008.

Or claiming that Reagan or Clinton were 'finished' in 1982 or 1994, as many did.

Keep in mind that I think 2008 was an electoral freak of nature - it was a perfect storm against the Republicans, and all rules were off. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on November 11, 2010, 08:22:55 PM
I'll be honest...Nevada and Colorado seem to be trending left.

I'm not certain Reid doesn't also beat Lowden and Tark or Bennett doesn't also beat Norton.

It looks like the West in general is moving to the left while the Midwest is moving heavily to the right.

The Northeast and South are what they are but there are some bright spots in both areas for the GOP and Dems (south carolina in the south and new hampshire in the north).



Seems like this state is trending left, and for the worst IMO. It'll be a messed up state in a few decades just watch, similar like CA and the leftcoast, runned to hell. It won't matter cause I'll find another place to move.

What I'd say the midwest and the rustbelts are trending right.

Right-wing, anti-tax policies are to blame for California's predicament.

Good thing they voted out all those evil Conservative Republicans who've controlled the state government for the last 40-odd years.

Prop 13 and the 2/3rds budget requirement have hurt California more than any politician in the last 40 years.

And the voters want it.

Yes, but that doesn't change the facts. Also getting rid of Prop 13 immediately in this kind of housing market would be bad policy. But it needs to be done eventually, and most definitely for businesses.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 11, 2010, 08:36:57 PM
I'll be honest...Nevada and Colorado seem to be trending left.

I'm not certain Reid doesn't also beat Lowden and Tark or Bennett doesn't also beat Norton.

It looks like the West in general is moving to the left while the Midwest is moving heavily to the right.

The Northeast and South are what they are but there are some bright spots in both areas for the GOP and Dems (south carolina in the south and new hampshire in the north).



Seems like this state is trending left, and for the worst IMO. It'll be a messed up state in a few decades just watch, similar like CA and the leftcoast, runned to hell. It won't matter cause I'll find another place to move.

What I'd say the midwest and the rustbelts are trending right.

Right-wing, anti-tax policies are to blame for California's predicament.

Good thing they voted out all those evil Conservative Republicans who've controlled the state government for the last 40-odd years.

Prop 13 and the 2/3rds budget requirement have hurt California more than any politician in the last 40 years.

And the voters want it.

Yes, but that doesn't change the facts. Also getting rid of Prop 13 immediately in this kind of housing market would be bad policy. But it needs to be done eventually, and most definitely for businesses.

And, in a democracy, that is the only fact with which you have to be concerned.  If the electorate feels that repealing it is a better alternative, they will do so.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on November 12, 2010, 12:01:37 AM
I'll be honest...Nevada and Colorado seem to be trending left.

I'm not certain Reid doesn't also beat Lowden and Tark or Bennett doesn't also beat Norton.

It looks like the West in general is moving to the left while the Midwest is moving heavily to the right.

The Northeast and South are what they are but there are some bright spots in both areas for the GOP and Dems (south carolina in the south and new hampshire in the north).



Seems like this state is trending left, and for the worst IMO. It'll be a messed up state in a few decades just watch, similar like CA and the leftcoast, runned to hell. It won't matter cause I'll find another place to move.

What I'd say the midwest and the rustbelts are trending right.

Right-wing, anti-tax policies are to blame for California's predicament.

Good thing they voted out all those evil Conservative Republicans who've controlled the state government for the last 40-odd years.

Prop 13 and the 2/3rds budget requirement have hurt California more than any politician in the last 40 years.

And the voters want it.

Yes, but that doesn't change the facts. Also getting rid of Prop 13 immediately in this kind of housing market would be bad policy. But it needs to be done eventually, and most definitely for businesses.

And, in a democracy, that is the only fact with which you have to be concerned.  If the electorate feels that repealing it is a better alternative, they will do so.

Yes, if I were the governor, I would be quite cognizant of that reality. But I am not a politician, thus I can say that Californian voters hold an irrational view on Prop 13 which is hurting the state. And that is just fact, regardless of whether or not the voters or you like it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 12, 2010, 09:36:10 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 44%, u.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, -1.

Strongly Approve is now at the lowest point since 9/5/10.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on November 12, 2010, 11:36:57 AM
I'll be honest...Nevada and Colorado seem to be trending left.

I'm not certain Reid doesn't also beat Lowden and Tark or Bennett doesn't also beat Norton.

It looks like the West in general is moving to the left while the Midwest is moving heavily to the right.

The Northeast and South are what they are but there are some bright spots in both areas for the GOP and Dems (south carolina in the south and new hampshire in the north).



Seems like this state is trending left, and for the worst IMO. It'll be a messed up state in a few decades just watch, similar like CA and the leftcoast, runned to hell. It won't matter cause I'll find another place to move.

What I'd say the midwest and the rustbelts are trending right.

I think the new party coalitions are shaping up to be NE + W (including the inland SW)  for the Dems and the South + the middle of the country for the GOP.  It's unclear where VA, PA, and FL fit into this, but I would imagine VA ends up leaning left by 2012, PA moves hard to the right, and FL starts leaning left with increasing Hispanic population and increasing salience of environmental issues (this is probably the GOP high water mark in FL, with anger at Obamacare dominating the elderly vote).  I expect this divide to be cemented whenever climate change legislation resurfaces, which could be as early as 2013 if Obama gets re-elected.  There will be a lot of midwestern Dems defying their party on this and also a lot of western GOPers who have little choice but to go along with it given the force of environmental issues in that region.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on November 12, 2010, 12:24:30 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 44%, u.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, -1.

Strongly Approve is now at the lowest point since 9/5/10.


Lack of strong feeling because there isn't another national election for 2 years.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 13, 2010, 12:55:12 PM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, +2.

Disapprove 53%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -2.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 14, 2010, 09:50:39 AM




Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.

Numbers are well off the lows.  A bit of a rebound?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on November 14, 2010, 09:55:53 AM




Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.

Numbers are well off the lows.  A bit of a rebound?

America's love a bit've split government.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 14, 2010, 09:57:36 AM
I´m trusting Rasmussen more now with the approval ratings, because of his performance similar to the Exit polls.

Gallup on the other hand seems to be idiotic, they blew it twice now. In 2008 they overestimated Democrats by a huge margin and this year they overestimated Republicans by about 10 points.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 14, 2010, 11:00:58 AM




Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.

Numbers are well off the lows.  A bit of a rebound?

America's love a bit've split government.

Well, his number dropped a bit after the election.  :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: nhmagic on November 14, 2010, 11:51:51 AM
These polls are only reflecting what the feeling is at this current time.  Considering (irregardless of LePage's minority win) that republicans took back control of the legislature (which to most people was unthinkable) there is the opportunity for some potential of a republican win in the state, particularly in the 2nd CD.  Republicans in Maine can now put together a functioning state party apparatus again - that's critical.  With that said, it's pretty doubtful that the GOP will win the state, but who knows...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 15, 2010, 09:51:55 AM




Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, -1.

Disapprove 53%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on November 15, 2010, 06:51:38 PM
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/15/cnn-poll-election-not-a-mandate-for-gop/ (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/15/cnn-poll-election-not-a-mandate-for-gop/)

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According to the survey, 48 percent of Americans approve of the job Obama's doing as president, with 50 percent saying they disapprove. The 48 percent approval rating is up six points from September, when Obama was at an all time low of 42 percent in CNN polling.
Thirty-eight say they disapprove of Obama because he's too liberal, with nine percent saying they disapprove because he's not liberal enough.

And Democrats more favorably viewed than Republicans (though both parties negatively)
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According to the survey, 43 percent of the public has a favorable opinion of the Republican party, with 48 percent saying they see the GOP in an unfavorable way. Forty-six percent say they have a favorable opinion of the Democratic party, with 48 percent saying they see the Democrats in a unfavorable light.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 16, 2010, 09:49:48 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, -1.

Disapprove 54%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +2.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 16, 2010, 09:53:48 AM
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/15/cnn-poll-election-not-a-mandate-for-gop/ (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/15/cnn-poll-election-not-a-mandate-for-gop/)

Quote
According to the survey, 48 percent of Americans approve of the job Obama's doing as president, with 50 percent saying they disapprove. The 48 percent approval rating is up six points from September, when Obama was at an all time low of 42 percent in CNN polling.
Thirty-eight say they disapprove of Obama because he's too liberal, with nine percent saying they disapprove because he's not liberal enough.

And Democrats more favorably viewed than Republicans (though both parties negatively)
Quote
According to the survey, 43 percent of the public has a favorable opinion of the Republican party, with 48 percent saying they see the GOP in an unfavorable way. Forty-six percent say they have a favorable opinion of the Democratic party, with 48 percent saying they see the Democrats in a unfavorable light.

Actually somewhat consistent with Rasmussen, which showed some very low Obama numbers in September.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on November 16, 2010, 07:02:07 PM

Added Virginia.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 17, 2010, 09:59:23 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 44%, -1.

Disapprove 55%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 17, 2010, 04:30:57 PM
Starting over after the 2010 midterms. It surprises me that there are any post-election polls, but as opinions of incoming Senators and Governors begin to appear, then so will those for the President. MT and VA have checked in, and anyone who thinks that any Republican has a chance to win DC is nuts, so:

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                 
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater 
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%
white                        too close to call 
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on November 17, 2010, 06:53:06 PM
Zogby Interactive: Obama Holds at 42%; Percentage Who Strongly Disapprove at 48%


Approval from Democrats Dips Below 80%



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on November 17, 2010, 07:03:57 PM
@pbrower2a:

 Virginia would actually be 30% green, as the results of the PPP poll were 50-45-5.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on November 17, 2010, 07:05:15 PM
Zogby Interactive: Obama Holds at 42%; Percentage Who Strongly Disapprove at 48%


Approval from Democrats Dips Below 80%



lol


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on November 17, 2010, 10:50:56 PM
The 46% A, 50% D on the NJ poll was November 9.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 18, 2010, 10:17:35 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, +1.

Disapprove 54%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 18, 2010, 10:51:04 AM
I'll be honest...Nevada and Colorado seem to be trending left.

I'm not certain Reid doesn't also beat Lowden and Tark or Bennett doesn't also beat Norton.

It looks like the West in general is moving to the left while the Midwest is moving heavily to the right.

The Northeast and South are what they are but there are some bright spots in both areas for the GOP and Dems (south carolina in the south and new hampshire in the north).



Seems like this state is trending left, and for the worst IMO. It'll be a messed up state in a few decades just watch, similar like CA and the leftcoast, runned to hell. It won't matter cause I'll find another place to move.

What I'd say the midwest and the rustbelts are trending right.

Right-wing, anti-tax policies are to blame for California's predicament.

Good thing they voted out all those evil Conservative Republicans who've controlled the state government for the last 40-odd years.

Prop 13 and the 2/3rds budget requirement have hurt California more than any politician in the last 40 years.

And the voters want it.

Yes, but that doesn't change the facts. Also getting rid of Prop 13 immediately in this kind of housing market would be bad policy. But it needs to be done eventually, and most definitely for businesses.

Proposition 13 overvalues housing for someone who already owns the house and devalues it for a potential buyer, creates incentives for people to make otherwise-irrational decisions on choices of employment,  pushes taxes onto new entrants to the housing market, rewards slumlords, and makes redevelopment nearly impossible. Much of California housing is old before its time (the part built cheaply in the 1960s and 1970s -- no insulation, crowded together on postage-stamp lots, poor materials).  The state is infested with suburban sprawl and has 50-mile one-way commutes that people tolerate nowhere else. I can hardly imagine worse public policy on housing and even transportation.  



  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on November 18, 2010, 12:51:55 PM
I know we don't matter, but Obama has a 54 to 19% approval rating in the UK:
http://today.yougov.co.uk/politics/Brits-back-Barack

We're all just dirty socialists.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on November 18, 2010, 04:42:51 PM
I know we don't matter, but Obama has a 54 to 19% approval rating in the UK:
http://today.yougov.co.uk/politics/Brits-back-Barack

We're all just dirty socialists.

     Not to mention dirty undecideds, seeing as how 27% of you were to indecisive to register an opinion. ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on November 18, 2010, 04:55:02 PM
I know we don't matter, but Obama has a 54 to 19% approval rating in the UK:
http://today.yougov.co.uk/politics/Brits-back-Barack

We're all just dirty socialists.

     Not to mention dirty undecideds, seeing as how 27% of you were to indecisive to register an opinion. ;)

We're just a woefully ill informed nation.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on November 18, 2010, 05:19:08 PM
I know we don't matter, but Obama has a 54 to 19% approval rating in the UK:
http://today.yougov.co.uk/politics/Brits-back-Barack

We're all just dirty socialists.

     Not to mention dirty undecideds, seeing as how 27% of you were to indecisive to register an opinion. ;)

We're just a woefully ill informed nation.

Is that why you choose to complain about the weather?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on November 18, 2010, 06:00:31 PM
Obama is at 40%  by YouGov

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbig.assets.huffingtonpost.com%2F20101116.pdf&h=e8505


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on November 18, 2010, 06:52:36 PM
Obama is at 40%  by YouGov

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbig.assets.huffingtonpost.com%2F20101116.pdf&h=e8505


Okay, we get it, you don't like Obama. This doesn't mean you have to go cherrypicking polls that have the lowest approval ratings for him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on November 18, 2010, 07:18:27 PM
Obama is at 40%  by YouGov

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbig.assets.huffingtonpost.com%2F20101116.pdf&h=e8505


Okay, we get it, you don't like Obama. This doesn't mean you have to go cherrypicking polls that have the lowest approval ratings for him.

He probably gets stimulated by them.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 19, 2010, 10:25:32 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +2.

Disapprove 52%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -3.

Either an anti Obama dropped out or a pro Obama sample came in.  The only thing interesting is that the Strongly Approve sample is still relatively low.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 19, 2010, 03:49:33 PM
Poll from the Los Angeles Times/USC 54-41 approval:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-poll-20101119,0,1562210.story

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%
white                        too close to call  
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on November 19, 2010, 03:54:07 PM

As I said earlier, shouldn't Virginia be 30% green? It was 50-45-5.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 19, 2010, 03:56:35 PM
As I said earlier, shouldn't Virginia be 30% green? It was 50-45-5.  

pbrowers definition has it 40%.

30% is only for approval with 49% or less, and disapproval must be lower than that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 20, 2010, 10:05:40 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 20, 2010, 10:52:45 AM
As I said earlier, shouldn't Virginia be 30% green? It was 50-45-5.  

pbrowers definition has it 40%.

30% is only for approval with 49% or less, and disapproval must be lower than that.

Probable typo. Corrected:

(My) definition has it 50%.

30% is only for approval with 49% or less, and disapproval must be lower than that.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 20, 2010, 02:08:53 PM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +2.

Disapprove 52%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -3.

Either an anti Obama dropped out or a pro Obama sample came in.  The only thing interesting is that the Strongly Approve sample is still relatively low.

The "Strongly Disapprove" figure may have fallen off as the advertising goes from political campaigns to Christmas shopping. There might be some buyers' remorse about the GOP majority in the House, especially if it goes on political inquisitions while the economy flounders.

The electorate will be significantly different in 2012 than it was in 2010. The next two years are "put up-or-shut up" time for the Republicans, especially in the House. If they are the same thing that they were between 2000 and 2006 they will be trounced anew. There just won't be any speculative boom to create easy profits for people who get away with bad business.

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 21, 2010, 09:43:14 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, +1.


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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 21, 2010, 04:35:52 PM
An econometrist at Yale has a model for predicting the results of the Presidency and the House. Not surprisingly, President Obama would have to fail or face an political calamity (scandal, economic collapse, or diplomatic/military debacle) to lose in 2012. Paradoxically, even if he loses the battle to allow the rescission of the Dubya-era tax cuts for the wealthy, he benefits politically from a better economic reality for himself than otherwise (unless he has to impose taxes to undo the budgetary effects of the tax cut).

http://fairmodel.econ.yale.edu/vote2012/index2.htm

Here's  Ray Fair's model based on recent quantitative easing -- a very expansionary model:

Quote
The equation to predict the 2012 presidential election is
VP = 48.39 + .672*G - .654*P + 0.990*Z
The equation to predict the 2012 House election is
VC = 45.63 + .384*G - .373*P + 0.565*Z
Your input values:
3.69    growth rate of real per capita GDP in the first 3 quarters of 2012 (annual rate) (G)
1.42    growth rate of the GDP deflator in the first 15 quarters of the Obama administration,
2009:1-2012:3 (annual rate) (P)
6    number of quarters in the first 15 quarters of the Obama administration in which the growth
rate of real per capita GDP is greater than 3.2 percent at an annual rate (Z)
Computed (output) values:
55.88    Democratic share of the two-party presidential vote in 2012 (VP)
49.91    Democratic share of the two-party House vote in 2012 (VC)


President Obama wins an Eisenhower-style landslide in the popular vote, and the electoral vote probably hinges on Texas with 400-435 electoral votes.  Republicans barely hold onto the House.

Tampering with the numbers a bit, I could suggest what happens if America experiences three more months of economic growth larger than average but stagnation in 2012:

Quote
The equation to predict the 2012 presidential election is
VP = 48.39 + .672*G - .654*P + 0.990*Z
The equation to predict the 2012 House election is
VC = 45.63 + .384*G - .373*P + 0.565*Z
Your input values:
0.00    growth rate of real per capita GDP in the first 3 quarters of 2012 (annual rate) (G)
1.42    growth rate of the GDP deflator in the first 15 quarters of the Obama administration,
2009:1-2012:3 (annual rate) (P)
9    number of quarters in the first 15 quarters of the Obama administration in which the growth
rate of real per capita GDP is greater than 3.2 percent at an annual rate (Z)
Computed (output) values:
56.37    Democratic share of the two-party presidential vote in 2012 (VP)
50.19    Democratic share of the two-party House vote in 2012 (VC)

President Obama wins an Eisenhower-style landslide in the popular vote, and the electoral vote probably hinges on Texas with 400-435 electoral votes. Democrats barely win back the House.

..............

It's the more months of above-average growth that overpowers the later stagnation and even gives the Democrats a big chance to win back the House of Representatives.  In any event, I predict that America will not have a speculative boom (the capital just isn't there and the spirit needed for one died around 2005). What remains is the safest way to create prosperity, which is long-term, hands-on, can't-run-from investments in small businesses or government investment in infrastructure that don't lead to speculative booms and busts.  I see no strong, charismatic candidate from the GOP to counteract a President who so far shows most of the political skills of... Ronald Reagan.

I'm not going to draw any maps based on this projection; I could never predict whether the results of a 56-44 split of the nationwide popular vote would be that President Obama would win 70% of the popular vote in California and 45% of the popular vote in Texas or 62% of the popular vote in California and 51% of the popular vote in Texas.

Why Texas? Because it has no obvious analogue in any other state in ethnic mix, because it is politically unique, and because it would probably follow such states as Missouri, Georgia, Montana, South Carolina, and maybe Arizona before the Clinton-but-not-Obama states that have voted in a bloc since 1992 and will likely do so in 2012. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on November 21, 2010, 09:44:06 PM
An econometrist at Yale has a model for predicting the results of the Presidency and the House. Not surprisingly, President Obama would have to fail or face an political calamity (scandal, economic collapse, or diplomatic/military debacle) to lose in 2012. Paradoxically, even if he loses the battle to allow the rescission of the Dubya-era tax cuts for the wealthy, he benefits politically from a better economic reality for himself than otherwise (unless he has to impose taxes to undo the budgetary effects of the tax cut).

http://fairmodel.econ.yale.edu/vote2012/index2.htm

Here's  Ray Fair's model based on recent quantitative easing -- a very expansionary model:

Quote
The equation to predict the 2012 presidential election is
VP = 48.39 + .672*G - .654*P + 0.990*Z
The equation to predict the 2012 House election is
VC = 45.63 + .384*G - .373*P + 0.565*Z
Your input values:
3.69    growth rate of real per capita GDP in the first 3 quarters of 2012 (annual rate) (G)
1.42    growth rate of the GDP deflator in the first 15 quarters of the Obama administration,
2009:1-2012:3 (annual rate) (P)
6    number of quarters in the first 15 quarters of the Obama administration in which the growth
rate of real per capita GDP is greater than 3.2 percent at an annual rate (Z)
Computed (output) values:
55.88    Democratic share of the two-party presidential vote in 2012 (VP)
49.91    Democratic share of the two-party House vote in 2012 (VC)


President Obama wins an Eisenhower-style landslide in the popular vote, and the electoral vote probably hinges on Texas with 400-435 electoral votes.  Republicans barely hold onto the House.

Tampering with the numbers a bit, I could suggest what happens if America experiences three more months of economic growth larger than average but stagnation in 2012:

Quote
The equation to predict the 2012 presidential election is
VP = 48.39 + .672*G - .654*P + 0.990*Z
The equation to predict the 2012 House election is
VC = 45.63 + .384*G - .373*P + 0.565*Z
Your input values:
0.00    growth rate of real per capita GDP in the first 3 quarters of 2012 (annual rate) (G)
1.42    growth rate of the GDP deflator in the first 15 quarters of the Obama administration,
2009:1-2012:3 (annual rate) (P)
9    number of quarters in the first 15 quarters of the Obama administration in which the growth
rate of real per capita GDP is greater than 3.2 percent at an annual rate (Z)
Computed (output) values:
56.37    Democratic share of the two-party presidential vote in 2012 (VP)
50.19    Democratic share of the two-party House vote in 2012 (VC)

President Obama wins an Eisenhower-style landslide in the popular vote, and the electoral vote probably hinges on Texas with 400-435 electoral votes. Democrats barely win back the House.

..............

It's the more months of above-average growth that overpowers the later stagnation and even gives the Democrats a big chance to win back the House of Representatives.  In any event, I predict that America will not have a speculative boom (the capital just isn't there and the spirit needed for one died around 2005). What remains is the safest way to create prosperity, which is long-term, hands-on, can't-run-from investments in small businesses or government investment in infrastructure that don't lead to speculative booms and busts.  I see no strong, charismatic candidate from the GOP to counteract a President who so far shows most of the political skills of... Ronald Reagan.

I'm not going to draw any maps based on this projection; I could never predict whether the results of a 56-44 split of the nationwide popular vote would be that President Obama would win 70% of the popular vote in California and 45% of the popular vote in Texas or 62% of the popular vote in California and 51% of the popular vote in Texas.

Why Texas? Because it has no obvious analogue in any other state in ethnic mix, because it is politically unique, and because it would probably follow such states as Missouri, Georgia, Montana, South Carolina, and maybe Arizona before the Clinton-but-not-Obama states that have voted in a bloc since 1992 and will likely do so in 2012.  

Fair's model projected that George HW Bush would get 56% of the vote in 1992.  He doesnt seem to take lagging indicators like the unemployment rate into account.  He also doesnt take approval ratings into account, which is why he overstated the Republican share of the vote in 2008 by 2%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 22, 2010, 07:54:35 AM
Of course, Fair's model did not take Ross Perot into account, as it could never predict a third-party candidacy. Add the votes for GHWB and Perot and you get roughly 56%. Did Perot hurt Bush more than Clinton? It can't take into account cultural shifts within Parties, as in the simultaneous disappearance of the liberal Republicans from the GOP with the movement of low-income white people from the Democratic party to the Republican Party.

Above all it can't predict the significance of a Presidential personality in winning or losing an election, let alone personal scandals, military and diplomatic debacles, or natural disasters. Should President Obama be caught in a bribery scandal that implodes before November 2012 he is done. Even more, he could never get away with a tryst involving a woman who looks like Monica Lewinsky as Bill Clinton could. But who here predicts either?

As for the House of Representatives, personalities matter far less on the whole because the law of large numbers applies more rigidly to 435 Representatives than to one President. The model probably assumes that both parties are equally vulnerable to scandals and could not predict the effect of decisions of the majority except on economic matters.  It can't account for freakish behavior of a majority that operates in lockstep.

It got 2010 right. Economic reality allowed the GOP to sell the idea that improving the business climate was the solution to economic distress. If the economy is good, people overlook 'cultural' matters and wedge issues. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 22, 2010, 10:39:53 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, -1.

Disapprove 52%, +1.  (Tat 52% was an error, sorry)

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on November 22, 2010, 11:44:05 AM
Of course, Fair's model did not take Ross Perot into account, as it could never predict a third-party candidacy. Add the votes for GHWB and Perot and you get roughly 56%. Did Perot hurt Bush more than Clinton? It can't take into account cultural shifts within Parties, as in the simultaneous disappearance of the liberal Republicans from the GOP with the movement of low-income white people from the Democratic party to the Republican Party.


Perot didnt hurt Bush very much.  Exit polling said Perot voters were split between Clinton and Bush.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on November 22, 2010, 07:51:44 PM
Zogby
Obama at 39/60 approval


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on November 22, 2010, 07:52:40 PM

Next...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tpfkaw on November 22, 2010, 07:53:42 PM

Lolzogby

(Although the YouGov approvals have been pretty low for him too).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on November 22, 2010, 08:02:53 PM
USA Today/Gallup has him at 42% approval.  His disapproval is likely around 55-56% in the poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on November 22, 2010, 08:14:28 PM
It's a Zogby interactive poll...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 22, 2010, 08:24:44 PM
Now you why I keep saying, "It's Zogby."  :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 22, 2010, 11:46:45 PM

Precisely. Interactive polls are easily manipulated. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on November 23, 2010, 01:30:59 AM
did our Democrat friends object to "interactive" polls when Mark Penn released a poll showing Obama up 8-19 points on all potential Republican challengers.

I don't think the "interactive" part is the problem here.  Zogby is the problem.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 23, 2010, 11:03:22 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, u. 

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.


Probably just noise, but if not strange.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 24, 2010, 10:32:50 AM
PPP, NC

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_1123.pdf

One of the closest states in 2008, and as things look, it will be very close in 2012. I am now assigning only a 5% likely gain for 45% Obama can win without North Carolina, but can't lose with it. He would lose to some candidates, tie with some, and win against some others in the Tarheel State.

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

*Note that I have expanded the "too close to call" to include those states  in which the incumbent President's approval rating is 43% to 45%.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 24, 2010, 10:59:17 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, +1.

Disapprove 51%, -1. 

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.

We probably won't get any more real numbers until after the holiday.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 24, 2010, 11:15:08 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, +1.

Disapprove 51%, -1. 

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.

We probably won't get any more real numbers until after the holiday.

I think that we will see lots of them after the new Congress is seated. We shall see whether the election of some Republicans was a fluke and whether some of them do good jobs with their new fame (or infamy).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on November 25, 2010, 09:21:06 PM
PPP, NC

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_1123.pdf

One of the closest states in 2008, and as things look, it will be very close in 2012. I am now assigning only a 5% likely gain for 45% Obama can win without North Carolina, but can't lose with it. He would lose to some candidates, tie with some, and win against some others in the Tarheel State.

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

*Note that I have expanded the "too close to call" to include those states  in which the incumbent President's approval rating is 43% to 45%.



I dont get this "44% rule" that you have.  Gerald Ford had an approval rating of about 47% in 1976 and still couldnt get reelected.  HW Bush had an approval rating of around 40% and lost in a landslide. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on November 25, 2010, 11:17:38 PM
Don't worry too much about it, Mr. Phips, it's just a way the hack extraordinaire justifies Obama's mediocre approval ratings.  There's nothing real behind it other than a default defense of everything Obama or Democratic.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 25, 2010, 11:24:47 PM


I dont get this "44% rule" that you have.  Gerald Ford had an approval rating of about 47% in 1976 and still couldnt get reelected.  HW Bush had an approval rating of around 40% and lost in a landslide.  

It's not my rule; it's one that Nate Silver came up with for an incumbent Governor or Senator running for re-election in a statewide race in 2009.  It applies only to incumbents running for the same office (it would rule out Charlie Crist in Florida in 2010 for that reason alone) without a significant third-party or independent candidacy for the election (so it would rule out Charlie Crist or Lisa Murkowski who were the third-party or independent challenges!)... or GHWB in 1992 (because of Ross Perot).

In general, an incumbent whose approval rating is at 44% has roughly a 50-50 chance of winning re-election in a statewide race.  Why isn't 50% the cut-off? Because incumbents aren't campaigning every moment of their elected term. They have other things to do -- like voting, serving on committees, governing, and other such things defined reasonably as part of the job which do little to contribute to the image of an elected official. So you figure that a Senator from Michigan who is missing votes so that he can make speeches at a Rotary meeting in Traverse City or attending a ribbon-cutting ceremony for a Wendy's in Pontiac isn't doing his job and would probably lose a bid for re-election -- which would be shown in approval polls, anyway. Scandals? Everyone sees them but the candidate and his strongest supporters. Scandal-plagued candidates often become very secretive and unresponsive, which usually tears at their approval ratings. Economic disasters? They usually offer some warning.  

But once the expected duties of an elected official come to an end and campaign season begins, an elected incumbent can start doing things to make his image better --- like talking about his priorities for the next term, showing where he stands on popular issues (if those stands are unpopular, he's probably doing very badly to begin with), and making stump speeches. An incumbent running for election has a higher likelihood of winning than does a challenger, typically because the incumbent is better known. But well-known and disliked isn't good for re-election.

Silver showed that the average incumbent gained 6% from approval six months before the election to the vote share in the general election. This applied to all incumbents, whether their approval was below 40% (who almost always lost) to those with approval ratings in the 60% (who piled on the votes). This applied just as well in Presidential, midterm, and odd-year elections.

The rule isn't hard and fast. One incumbent (George Allen) had an approval rating barely above 50% going into the 2006 election... and lost. He was a glaring exception, and you can likely attribute his loss to some extreme faux pas during his campaign and an unusually-strong challenger.  There are candidates who run campaigns of extreme ineptitude, have a scandal, or get pulled into a knock-down drag-out fight in a primary. It is an average, and it contradicts a more intuitive explanation such as reversion to the mean.  

Incumbents who lost (Gov. Strickland in Ohio, Senators Lincoln in Arkansas and Feingold in Wisconsin) had trouble from the start of their electoral campaigns. I can't tell how the vicious anti-liberal campaign by well-heeled backers of Hard Right candidates  had an effect on races involving incumbents... and if such Orwellian propaganda shapes voting, then we are in new and undiscovered territory for our political future -- and any liberal or moderate nominee, incumbent, challenger, or candidate for an open seat will have a tough time except in the safest of seats.

Much the same pattern holds for Presidential races for the popular vote. But that is not enough, as President Al Gore showed. Presidential races are fifty statewide elections (run much like a Gubernatorial or Senatorial race on behalf of the Presidential nominee), one district-wide at-large race (DC), and five congressional races that run independently of the states (two districts in Maine and one in Nebraska).  DC is a given, and generally the congressional districts are ignored.    

Non-incumbents must make promises; incumbents have records to stand on and win or run from and lose.  Incumbents faring badly must make promises to do what they haven't yet done (like Carter in 1980, and that showed in his low approval ratings going into the election). Incumbents campaigning ineptly fail, too. Gerald Ford lost to one of the weakest challengers ever (Jimmy Carter)  perhaps because he had no idea of how to run a national or even a statewide campaign. (The primary challenge by Ronald Reagan didn't help, either). Before becoming President Gerald Ford had never held a statewide office. Running for election (he had never been elected President, so his status as an incumbent was shaky) he made numerous faux pas on the campaign trail and badly chose where to campaign. Carter won a bunch of states then drifting R (including Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina that no Democratic nominee has since won.  Either Texas or Ohio and some other state would have won the election for Ford.

It is vote share, so it ignores minor candidates. Incumbents can win 49.2-48.7, and if you ignore the votes wasted on third-party candidates who fare badly, Silver would consider that a win of the majority of votes that count. It is an average. Occasionally an incumbent faces an unusually-strong challenger or is unusually inept campaigning. But the other side is that the incumbent is an unusually strong campaigner.

If the President's approval ratings are in the high forties now when he isn't doing any campaigning, then just think of how he can do in 2012. Sure, things can go terribly wrong before November 2012 -- but that will show up in approval polls. But they can also go very right.  If he is the average candidate for re-election,  a 47% approval rating goes up to a likely 53% in the vote share, which is roughly what he did in 2008.

(Note that I mute the effect for states way out of contention in my model for the President. Some shoo-in for re-election in one state doesn't need  to campaign in another state and has no chance to campaign elsewhere and gain votes in others if running for re-election as a Governor or Senator. Such is not quite the case for the President. If Idaho and Vermont are sure things for both sides, then I don;t expect President Obama to campaign in either state in 2012. President Obama isn't going to try to run up the score in Vermont or try to make the idaho vote total look 'reasonable').  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 25, 2010, 11:26:19 PM
Don't worry too much about it, Mr. Phips, it's just a way the hack extraordinaire justifies Obama's mediocre approval ratings.  There's nothing real behind it other than a default defense of everything Obama or Democratic.

So says someone whose avatar is a convicted criminal.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on November 25, 2010, 11:29:41 PM
Don't worry too much about it, Mr. Phips, it's just a way the hack extraordinaire justifies Obama's mediocre approval ratings.  There's nothing real behind it other than a default defense of everything Obama or Democratic.

So says someone whose avatar is a convicted criminal.

OH BURN WHAT


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on November 25, 2010, 11:30:15 PM
Don't worry too much about it, Mr. Phips, it's just a way the hack extraordinaire justifies Obama's mediocre approval ratings.  There's nothing real behind it other than a default defense of everything Obama or Democratic.

So says someone whose avatar is a convicted criminal.

lol


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ?????????? on November 25, 2010, 11:50:21 PM
Don't worry too much about it, Mr. Phips, it's just a way the hack extraordinaire justifies Obama's mediocre approval ratings.  There's nothing real behind it other than a default defense of everything Obama or Democratic.

So says someone whose avatar is a convicted criminal.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on November 25, 2010, 11:55:00 PM
Don't worry too much about it, Mr. Phips, it's just a way the hack extraordinaire justifies Obama's mediocre approval ratings.  There's nothing real behind it other than a default defense of everything Obama or Democratic.
So says someone whose avatar is a convicted criminal.

Hahahaha and?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on November 26, 2010, 12:02:57 AM
Don't worry too much about it, Mr. Phips, it's just a way the hack extraordinaire justifies Obama's mediocre approval ratings.  There's nothing real behind it other than a default defense of everything Obama or Democratic.
So says someone whose avatar is a convicted criminal.

Hahahaha and?

YOU GONE FIGHT PBOWERS DOGZZ MAYNNEEEE U BETTA WARN HIM!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on November 26, 2010, 12:14:49 AM
Naaaah, maaane I ain't gone do nuthin but...

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on November 26, 2010, 08:57:21 AM
Fezzy is an Eagles fan that would sell his soul for a Lombardi. Unfortunately for him, he and many others do not realize that flash and no class would not do as well as an actual quarterback (Kolb) in the playoffs.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on November 26, 2010, 12:38:03 PM
Haha Giants fan?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on November 26, 2010, 09:10:54 PM

Nope.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on November 26, 2010, 10:09:09 PM
Shouldn't this thread be titled the Official NFL Quarterbacks Discussion Thread?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Iosif on November 27, 2010, 12:20:40 PM
Fezzy is an Eagles fan that would sell his soul for a Lombardi. Unfortunately for him, he and many others do not realize that flash and no class would not do as well as an actual quarterback (Kolb) in the playoffs.

I get it. Get the black workhouse to graft his team to the playoffs only for the great white hope to swoop in and take all the glory.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 28, 2010, 02:49:49 AM
Back to the real world:

California (SurveyUSA, Nov. 22): 55% Approve, 43% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c717d146-99e7-4de8-8217-9fb792fc2fb8

Kansas (SurveyUSA, Nov. 22): 44% Approve, 53% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c9cb9d95-0451-467c-8613-efb0bf5d4a7e

Oregon (SurveyUSA, Nov. 22): 46% Approve, 51% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=87dabdb7-5435-402e-891e-11b3bf475127

Washington (SurveyUSA, Nov. 22): 50% Approve, 47% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c34262fe-7152-4e56-be8d-dd7e32b0f6dd


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on November 28, 2010, 02:59:34 AM

Oh


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 28, 2010, 07:32:21 AM
Back to the real world:

California (SurveyUSA, Nov. 22): 55% Approve, 43% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c717d146-99e7-4de8-8217-9fb792fc2fb8

Kansas (SurveyUSA, Nov. 22): 44% Approve, 53% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c9cb9d95-0451-467c-8613-efb0bf5d4a7e

Oregon (SurveyUSA, Nov. 22): 46% Approve, 51% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=87dabdb7-5435-402e-891e-11b3bf475127

Washington (SurveyUSA, Nov. 22): 50% Approve, 47% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c34262fe-7152-4e56-be8d-dd7e32b0f6dd

Kansas 44% and Oregon 46%?  Kansas looks way too high and Oregon too low.


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)

District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on November 28, 2010, 08:03:57 AM
You missed my post about NJ again. Do I need to repost it?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on November 28, 2010, 11:18:12 AM
You missed my post about NJ again. Do I need to repost it?

Sure, go for it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on November 28, 2010, 01:27:34 PM

I meant pbrower. He doesn't have NJ listed, and it had a post election poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on November 28, 2010, 05:42:05 PM
If he is down in oR to 46% he never gets 44% in KS-not possible


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on November 28, 2010, 11:35:24 PM
I meant pbrower. He doesn't have NJ listed, and it had a post election poll.

Oh.  I still don't get you


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 29, 2010, 10:14:32 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, -1.

Disapprove 52%, +1. 

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 29, 2010, 11:25:45 PM
Fresh poll for New Jersey, and any old one is now irrelevant (Fairleigh-Dickinson):

For now, President Barack Obama is ahead in the Garden State: With the heat of the midterm elections behind voters, 51% approve of the president and 40% disapprove, up from 47%-43% in October’s run-up to the mid-term elections.

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/njprez101129/

Related to Senator Menendez:

Sen. Menendez Enters New Election Cycle
With one more national election behind him, U.S. Sen. Bob Menendez now faces one ahead — his own. And according to the most recent statewide poll by Fairleigh Dickinson University’s PublicMind™, 31% of his New Jersey constituency have a favorable opinion of him and 25% have an unfavorable opinion. Another 44% either are unsure (29%) or haven’t heard of him at all (15%).


(???)



(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow 
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow 
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow 
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)

District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                   
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  72
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   25
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 7
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  21
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tpfkaw on November 29, 2010, 11:34:10 PM
Yes - right now it's a tossup race in Kansas!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on November 29, 2010, 11:40:47 PM
It's job approval, not a match up...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tpfkaw on November 29, 2010, 11:46:22 PM

I'm referring to the above uberhack's "current projection of the 2010 presidential election."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on November 29, 2010, 11:54:18 PM

I'm referring to the above uberhack's "current projection of the 2010 presidential election."

My mistake, apologies.

I do find it such a pointless exercise to extrapolate a job performance rating to somehow be a strong indicator of electoral success, especially since elections are a determination between two people, not necessarily to do with a person's job performance.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 29, 2010, 11:56:22 PM
Yes - right now it's a tossup race in Kansas!

I'm not sure that a 44% approval rating for President Obama is legitimate, but at that level he would probably defeat any GOP nominee who is a poor match for Kansas  -- like Palin or Barbour. Thune would probably do very well there, Romney and Hickabee sort of OK
there.  At this stage and this early the state could be the equivalent in 2012 of Indiana in 2008.  Of course it is also possible that the Detroit Losers Football Team could  win the 2013 Super Bowl.

Maybe the propaganda machine of the GOP/ Crossroads GPS/ Freedom Works took Kansas for granted and saw no need to demonize anything liberal there.

Kansas used to be a state of moderate Republicans -- Bob Dole and Nancy Kassebaum.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on November 30, 2010, 12:07:05 AM
Fresh poll for New Jersey, and any old one is now irrelevant

not how things work, but go on


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tpfkaw on November 30, 2010, 12:37:19 AM
Kansas just chose Jerry Moran, who is as conservative as they come, to be its new Senator, by the small margin of 44.1 points.  Sam Brownback won the governorship by a mere 31.3%.

Anyone who thinks that Kansas could even theoretically be close if the GOP nominee were Christine O'Donnell is a complete hack.  If you have a poll that looks like a very obvious outlier, you can use your discretion to ignore it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 30, 2010, 02:09:46 AM
Ha! They're still playing the "We can take Kansas" game? Wow! I remember that one from 2008. It didn't work out so well then. I have a hunch it won't happen in 2012 either.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 30, 2010, 02:13:01 AM
Ha! They're still playing the "We can take Kansas" game? Wow! I remember that one from 2008. It didn't work out so well then. I have a hunch it won't happen in 2012 either.

Only people on crack thought that Kansas was in play in 2008.

The closest Obama came to McCain was in Mid-February 2008, after he had a winning streak in the primaries and even then Obama was down by 8 points.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on November 30, 2010, 02:21:43 AM
Ha! They're still playing the "We can take Kansas" game? Wow! I remember that one from 2008. It didn't work out so well then. I have a hunch it won't happen in 2012 either.

Only people on crack thought that Kansas was in play in 2008.

The closest Obama came to McCain was in Mid-February 2008, after he had a winning streak in the primaries and even then Obama was down by 8 points.

What about that crazy talk about Obama having a chance at a Nebraska elector? Oh, wait....


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 30, 2010, 02:25:24 AM
Ha! They're still playing the "We can take Kansas" game? Wow! I remember that one from 2008. It didn't work out so well then. I have a hunch it won't happen in 2012 either.

Only people on crack thought that Kansas was in play in 2008.

The closest Obama came to McCain was in Mid-February 2008, after he had a winning streak in the primaries and even then Obama was down by 8 points.

What about that crazy talk about Obama having a chance at a Nebraska elector? Oh, wait....

There´s a big difference between KS as a whole and the NE district he won: Polls indicated all the way that he was down by more than or close to 20 in KS, but that he had at least a shot to win the NE district.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 30, 2010, 10:39:46 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, -1.

Disapprove 53%, +1. 

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 01, 2010, 11:03:19 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 53%, u. 

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 01, 2010, 06:01:47 PM


Missouri Survey Results (PPP)

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 43%
Disapprove...................................................... 52%
Not sure .......................................................... 5%

Q2 Do you approve or disapprove of Senator
Claire McCaskill’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 43%
Disapprove...................................................... 44%
Not sure .......................................................... 13%



(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow 
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow 
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow 
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)

District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                   
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  72
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   25
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 7
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  32
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on December 01, 2010, 06:37:38 PM
That Menendez poll seems way off. There is no way 44% are unsure with people who haven't even heard of him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on December 01, 2010, 06:45:44 PM
MO is and will not be even close in 2012!!!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 02, 2010, 10:23:20 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 44%, -2.

Disapprove 54%, +1. 

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -3.

Looking at these rather strange numbers, I suspect a really bad sample.  The 22% Strongly Disapproved is tied for Obama's lowest rating.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 02, 2010, 02:48:24 PM
PPP will be doing Michigan and Minnesota next week.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 03, 2010, 01:34:59 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 44%, u.

Disapprove 55%, +1. 

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, +1.

Still strange.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Reaganfan on December 03, 2010, 02:19:39 PM
We'll see if these new unemployment numbers send the President's approval rating lower or not in the coming days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 03, 2010, 06:44:41 PM
Massachusetts Survey Results (PPP)

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_MA_1203424.pdf

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 55%
Disapprove...................................................... 40%
Not sure .......................................................... 5%

Q5 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of Mitt Romney?
Favorable........................................................ 40%
Unfavorable .................................................... 51%
Not sure .......................................................... 8%

Q6 If the candidates for President in 2012 were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 57%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 33%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q7 If the candidates for President in 2012 were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mike
Huckabee, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 57%
Mike Huckabee ............................................... 33%
Undecided....................................................... 10%


Q8 If the candidates for President in 2012 were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 61%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 32%
Undecided....................................................... 8%

Q9 If the candidates for President in 2012 were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 52%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 43%
Undecided....................................................... 5%

Q10 Who did you vote for President in 2008?
John McCain................................................... 36%
Barack Obama................................................ 58%
Someone Else/Don't Remember..................... 7%




(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)

District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,    3              
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  80
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   25
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 7
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  32
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 04, 2010, 03:45:32 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 43%, -1.

Disapprove 56%, +1. 

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +1.

If this is a bad sample, we should know by tomorrow or Monday.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on December 04, 2010, 05:24:37 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 43%, -1.

Disapprove 56%, +1. 

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +1.

If this is a bad sample, we should know by tomorrow or Monday.

I believe this is real.  Unemployment plus WikiLeaks would be enough to do this IMO.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on December 04, 2010, 06:27:09 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 43%, -1.

Disapprove 56%, +1. 

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +1.

If this is a bad sample, we should know by tomorrow or Monday.

I believe this is real.  Unemployment plus WikiLeaks would be enough to do this IMO.

Gallup was going the other way.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 04, 2010, 07:12:34 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 43%, -1.

Disapprove 56%, +1. 

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +1.

If this is a bad sample, we should know by tomorrow or Monday.

I believe this is real.  Unemployment plus WikiLeaks would be enough to do this IMO.

The Thursday numbers were really strange, which kind of leads me to think it is a skewed sample.  It will take through today to drop out.  If there are still bad numbers Monday, it isn't a bad sample.

The unemployment numbers didn't come out until yesterday, so it isn't directly related to that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on December 05, 2010, 04:28:47 AM
Seems like his numbers are staying consistant recently, no drastic changes.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 05, 2010, 05:43:44 AM
Seems like his numbers are staying consistant recently, no drastic changes.

Well, Obama's numbers were off his summer lows.  The last three days were back to those lows.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 05, 2010, 08:08:57 AM
I think a lot of the approval change also has to do with the changed partisan makeup in November, according to Rasmussen's new sample.

The October sample was: 33.4% R   36.3% D   30.3% I

The November sample is: 36.0% R   34.7% D   29.3% I

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/archive/mood_of_america_archive/partisan_trends/summary_of_party_affiliation


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on December 05, 2010, 08:45:51 AM
I think a lot of the approval change also has to do with the changed partisan makeup in November, according to Rasmussen's new sample.

The October sample was: 33.4% R   36.3% D   30.3% I

The November sample is: 36.0% R   34.7% D   29.3% I

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/archive/mood_of_america_archive/partisan_trends/summary_of_party_affiliation

Right, but if people feel more Republican, of course they aren't going to like Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 05, 2010, 08:55:46 AM
Well, today the numbers are:

46% (+3) Approve (26% Strongly Approve, +4)
54%  (-2) Disapprove (42% Strongly Disapprove, +1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 05, 2010, 09:34:10 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, +3.

Disapprove 54%, -2. 

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +4.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.

Yes, a bad sample dropped out.

There might be a slight Obama loss since 11/30/10.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 05, 2010, 02:17:57 PM
Gallup shows 48% approval and 43% disapproval today.

That is the best score for Obama since Mid-July.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on December 05, 2010, 05:33:23 PM
weekend poll
every weekend he is going up!!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on December 05, 2010, 11:03:41 PM
weekend poll
every weekend he is going up!!

Why is a weekend poll biased? Or are you implying it's the week day polls that are biased? Could it be that these movements are just random and within the margin of error?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 06, 2010, 03:02:11 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 53%, -1. 

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 07, 2010, 09:48:36 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 52%, -1. 

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 07, 2010, 01:45:42 PM
PPP, Michigan

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_MI_1207930.pdf

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?

Approve .......................................................... 50%
Disapprove...................................................... 45%
Not sure .......................................................... 5%

Matchups:

Q7 If the candidates for President in 2012 were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 52%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 37%
Undecided....................................................... 12%

Q8 If the candidates for President in 2012 were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mike
Huckabee, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Mike Huckabee ............................................... 39%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q9 If the candidates for President in 2012 were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 56%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 35%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Q10 If the candidates for President in 2012 were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 47%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 43%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q11 If the candidates for President in 2012 were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Rick
Snyder, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 49%
Rick Snyder .................................................... 38%
Undecided....................................................... 14%

...Mitt Romney is the only Republican anywhere close to having an apparent chance in Michigan. Rick Snyder has yet to face the economic mess that Michigan has -- if he succeeds at turning "Michigrim" into the Michigan Miracle,  then he could imaginably win the Presidency in 2016. But to win Michigan he would have to steer clear of the Hard Right. Southern reactionaries are not going to win the electoral votes of Michigan for a long time.

Rick Snyder would not be strong enough to win Michigan as a VP candidate by himself. So much for the Rust belt turning on President Obama.

...PPP had a poll on Minnesota, but that one, so far, involves whether the Republican  nominee for Governor should pack it in and concede defeat.




(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow 
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow 
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow 
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)

District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                   
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  72
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   41
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 7
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  32
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 08, 2010, 09:47:26 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, -1.

Disapprove 53%, +1. 

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 08, 2010, 11:41:27 AM
For what it is worth, Senator Amy Klobuchar looks very safe in Minnesota:

Minnesota Survey Results
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of Senator Al
Franken’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 45%
Disapprove...................................................... 42%
Not sure .......................................................... 13%

Q2 Do you approve or disapprove of Senator Amy
Klobuchar’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 59%
Disapprove...................................................... 29%
Not sure .......................................................... 12%

Michelle Bachmann is poison in any statewide race:


Q3 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of Michele Bachmann?
Favorable........................................................ 37%
Unfavorable .................................................... 51%
Not sure .......................................................... 11%

Michelle Bachmann will energize the Hard Right nationwide, but any Republican who attaches himself or herself to her rides a dead horse into quicksand. I'm going to guess that Sarah Palin is crass enough and Newt Gingrich is amoral enough to do so, but nothing is said about approval of President Obama in Minnesota in the Minnesota polls by PPP except that "President Obama could use Senator Klobuchar's coattails".

If I were to hazard a guess, then I would figure that as in Michigan, no Southern reactionary is going to win Minnesota for a very long time. Heck, Ronald Reagan lost this state twice -- and it was the only state that he lost in 1984, and Reagan had no regional weaknesses as a candidate. Mitt Romney might fare better than anyone else as a GOP nominee, but likely still lose Minnesota in a close election nationwide. Minnesota is much like Michigan in its politics except that Michigan has more blacks and more exposure to the auto industry. I don't have a poll for Minnesota and President Obama, so Minnesota remains gray on my maps for now.


You see it here first: Amy Klobuchar could well be the next President of the United States.


That is 2016, which is a long way off. But who else would you bet on? She could be the third person not a WASP male to be President (JFK and Obama are the first two).   
 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on December 08, 2010, 12:02:25 PM
I bet we'll see a drop this week from deflated support on the left.

EDIT: Even before the tax cuts deal, arguably the most unpopular with thing he has done as far as the base is concerned, I think about 20% of those disapproving said they felt so because he wasn't liberal enough.  That number will shoot up this week.  He may fall below 40% approval in the wake of this.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on December 08, 2010, 04:04:11 PM
Obama approval rating November 2010 (Gallup)

45% Approve

47% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 52/36 (November 1978)

Reagan: 43/47 (November 1982)

Bush I: 58/32 (November 1990)

Clinton: 45/48 (November 1994)

Bush II: 66/28 (November 2002)



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on December 08, 2010, 04:18:27 PM
For what it is worth, Senator Amy Klobuchar looks very safe in Minnesota:

Minnesota Survey Results
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of Senator Al
Franken’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 45%
Disapprove...................................................... 42%
Not sure .......................................................... 13%

Q2 Do you approve or disapprove of Senator Amy
Klobuchar’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 59%
Disapprove...................................................... 29%
Not sure .......................................................... 12%

Michelle Bachmann is poison in any statewide race:


Q3 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of Michele Bachmann?
Favorable........................................................ 37%
Unfavorable .................................................... 51%
Not sure .......................................................... 11%

Michelle Bachmann will energize the Hard Right nationwide, but any Republican who attaches himself or herself to her rides a dead horse into quicksand. I'm going to guess that Sarah Palin is crass enough and Newt Gingrich is amoral enough to do so, but nothing is said about approval of President Obama in Minnesota in the Minnesota polls by PPP except that "President Obama could use Senator Klobuchar's coattails".

If I were to hazard a guess, then I would figure that as in Michigan, no Southern reactionary is going to win Minnesota for a very long time. Heck, Ronald Reagan lost this state twice -- and it was the only state that he lost in 1984, and Reagan had no regional weaknesses as a candidate. Mitt Romney might fare better than anyone else as a GOP nominee, but likely still lose Minnesota in a close election nationwide. Minnesota is much like Michigan in its politics except that Michigan has more blacks and more exposure to the auto industry. I don't have a poll for Minnesota and President Obama, so Minnesota remains gray on my maps for now.


You see it here first: Amy Klobuchar could well be the next President of the United States.


That is 2016, which is a long way off. But who else would you bet on? She could be the third person not a WASP male to be President (JFK and Obama are the first two).   
 

Agree on Klobuchar.  Gillibrand is also a good bet to run and do well.  And I don't necessarily think splitting the female vote would be all that big an effect since they are a majority of the electorate and we're just about at the point where almost all men would be willing to vote for a woman for president.  So I could even see a scenario where those two are the two last women standing.  And as I wrote once in the long-term trends thread, I think people are underestimating the chance of the Democratic ticket in 2016 being both women.  Intuitively that feels like a big step, but I bet voters would accept it much easier than people think.

I also think Franken is woefully under-apprectiated up there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 08, 2010, 04:23:54 PM
Agree on Klobuchar.  Gillibrand is also a good bet to run and do well.

I honestly find Gillibrand pretty underwhelming.  Klobuchar, sure.  I could see her run for president at some point.  But Gillibrand?  Is there anything more there than the fact that she's a young female Senator from New York?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 08, 2010, 05:34:24 PM
Minnesota, PPP.... Obama job approval 49% with lesser disapproval (46%).

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 49%
Disapprove...................................................... 46%
Not sure .......................................................... 6%


Romney is in range in the event that things go badly for the President:


Q10 If the candidates for President in 2012 were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 47%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 42%
Undecided....................................................... 10%


but other candidates  would do about as well as John McCain did at best against President Obama:

 
Q7 If the candidates for President in 2012 were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 38%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

Q8 If the candidates for President in 2012 were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mike
Huckabee, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 50%
Mike Huckabee ............................................... 40%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q9 If the candidates for President in 2012 were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 54%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 36%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Including the soon-to-be-former governor:


Q11 If the candidates for President in 2012 were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Tim
Pawlenty, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Tim Pawlenty .................................................. 43%
Undecided....................................................... 6%




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)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)

District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  72
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   51
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 7
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  32
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on December 08, 2010, 06:13:51 PM
I bet we'll see a drop this week from deflated support on the left.

EDIT: Even before the tax cuts deal, arguably the most unpopular with thing he has done as far as the base is concerned, I think about 20% of those disapproving said they felt so because he wasn't liberal enough.  That number will shoot up this week.  He may fall below 40% approval in the wake of this.

I don't think so.  This plan is, so far anyway, relatively popular, and Obama getting some visible distance between him and Liberal Democrats will probably help his image.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/145109/Americans-Support-Major-Elements-Tax-Compromise.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on December 08, 2010, 06:42:45 PM
Ya, I think Gillibrand benefits from being in Hillary's seat, the biggest media market and a fundraising talent.  I'm guessing based on frustrations with Obama that someone particularly scrappy might fare well in a primary.  And I do think there will be Democrats first elected in 2012 who garner considerable 2016 buzz as Obama did it in 4 years and the Christie buzz.  Maybe just a product of the internet world.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on December 08, 2010, 08:00:50 PM
I bet we'll see a drop this week from deflated support on the left.

EDIT: Even before the tax cuts deal, arguably the most unpopular with thing he has done as far as the base is concerned, I think about 20% of those disapproving said they felt so because he wasn't liberal enough.  That number will shoot up this week.  He may fall below 40% approval in the wake of this.

I don't think so.  This plan is, so far anyway, relatively popular, and Obama getting some visible distance between him and Liberal Democrats will probably help his image.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/145109/Americans-Support-Major-Elements-Tax-Compromise.aspx

Andrew Sullivan agrees with you.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/12/winning-back-the-independents-.html (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/12/winning-back-the-independents-.html)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on December 08, 2010, 08:20:35 PM
Sullivan's analysis is completely wrong.

Nobody does well by taking on the "left" or the "right" in a non-primary setting.  What indies seem to hate more than anything is conflict and that's what it appears Obama is creating.  So the interpretation that indies have for the middle isn't actually for moderate positions but rather the perception that there is no conflict.

However, there is a different dynamic at play in a primary setting.  It helps you dramatically to be running against someone viewed to your political extreme in a primary.  The problem for Obama is that indies won't view it that way outside a political campaign.  They view it as "even Democrats think he's falling apart, so he must be bad" rather than "he's willing to take on the Democrat Party."

We'll see what the Gallup tracking poll and Rasmussen daily tracking polls show the next couple days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on December 08, 2010, 08:25:25 PM
Klobuchar and Gillibrand are two talentless hacks from blue states that can in no way be won by any Republican in a one-on-one matchup.  Pawlenty woould have never left the hockey rink without third party liberals in Minnesota.  It is impossible for a Republican to win statewide in either NY or MN.

The Democrat Party, if it were intelligent, would instead rally around people like Joe Manchin, not people like Klobuchar and Gillibrand who do not have to do anything to win re-election.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on December 08, 2010, 08:29:50 PM
Klobuchar and Gillibrand are two talentless hacks from blue states that can in no way be won by any Republican in a one-on-one matchup.  Pawlenty woould have never left the hockey rink without third party liberals in Minnesota.  It is impossible for a Republican to win statewide in either NY or MN.

The Democrat Party, if it were intelligent, would instead rally around people like Joe Manchin, not people like Klobuchar and Gillibrand who do not have to do anything to win re-election.

Who don't in any way shape or form are attractive to the Democratic Base...

Not even to moderates.... there's a reason why Manchin won in a state that Obama got thumped in... it's because Manchin is a Democrat on paper but to the right on pretty much EVERYTHING that mainstream Democrats want.

Democrats don't need to shift actually into the right-wing to win nationally.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on December 08, 2010, 08:47:58 PM
The Democrat Party base would vote for John Edwards over any Republican.  In case you haven't figured it out, 85% of African-Americans would vote for Spitzer over any Republican.

Manchin would do about as well with the Democrat Party base as any other liberal Democrat because the Democrat Party base votes for the Democrat come hell or high water.  There is absolutely no independent thought in the Democrat Party base when it comes to voting.

Manchin and people like him can win everyone in the Democrat Party base that obama would win including some right-leaning people and even conservatives that Obama could never win.  He'd win perhaps close to 60% of the vote nationwide in a one-on-one race.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on December 08, 2010, 08:53:27 PM
The Democrat Party base would vote for John Edwards over any Republican.  In case you haven't figured it out, 85% of African-Americans would vote for Spitzer over any Republican.

Manchin would do about as well with the Democrat Party base as any other liberal Democrat because the Democrat Party base votes for the Democrat come hell or high water.  There is absolutely no independent thought in the Democrat Party base when it comes to voting.

Manchin and people like him can win everyone in the Democrat Party base that obama would win including some right-leaning people and even conservatives that Obama could never win.  He'd win perhaps close to 60% of the vote nationwide in a one-on-one race.

I doubt he'd survive the Primary...which is kind of the main point...

Would Democrats vote for Manchin over Palin? Sure.

But the main point is that race eventuating... which I would highly suspect.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 09, 2010, 10:51:05 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 53%, u. 

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

Flatline.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 09, 2010, 01:46:52 PM
pbrower:

What Ohio poll by Gallup are you talking about ?

And why is Oklahoma colored yellow in your map (there is no poll) ?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 09, 2010, 02:43:31 PM
pbrower:

What Ohio poll by Gallup are you talking about ?

And why is Oklahoma colored yellow in your map (there is no poll) ?

I meant to so color Ohio, not Oklahoma, having misread "Ohio" for Obama. Dirty eyeglasses,, strike again. The bad map is now deleted.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 09, 2010, 03:37:17 PM
New York (Quinnipiac): 48-43

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1541

pbrower, you still need to color Massachusetts green in your map: 55-40

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_MA_1203424.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: exopolitician on December 09, 2010, 04:39:37 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 53%, u. 

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

Flatline.


This surprises me.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 09, 2010, 07:15:23 PM
Massachusetts, New York.

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow 
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow 
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow 
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)

District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                   
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  83
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   81
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 7
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  32
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%   
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Note: Strictly as a change for visibility I am reducing the shade for approval under 50% but still greater than disapproval from green 30% to 20%. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 10, 2010, 09:55:01 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 53%, u. 

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -2.

No "weekend drop."  Still strange numbers.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 11, 2010, 10:38:34 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 53%, u. 

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, u.

Flatline again.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on December 11, 2010, 01:20:31 PM
Gallup: 43/49


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on December 11, 2010, 04:39:08 PM
I bet we'll see a drop this week from deflated support on the left.

EDIT: Even before the tax cuts deal, arguably the most unpopular with thing he has done as far as the base is concerned, I think about 20% of those disapproving said they felt so because he wasn't liberal enough.  That number will shoot up this week.  He may fall below 40% approval in the wake of this.

Not quite below 40.  Though they're still a decent bet to come home  once the election kicks in.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on December 11, 2010, 04:58:58 PM
Gallup: Obama at 43%
IDD/TIPP: Obama 41%
Marist: Obama: 42%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 12, 2010, 09:37:03 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, -1.

Disapprove 53%, u. 

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, u.

Leftist dissatisfaction with tax cut, or just a bad sample, could be driving the "Strongly Approve" number lower. 

Interesting his approval numbers are higher than on the other polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on December 12, 2010, 12:48:21 PM
Not surprised Rasmussen is higher than other polls since their more Republican sample won't reflect Obama's recent alienation of liberals to the extent other polls do.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on December 12, 2010, 04:39:30 PM
I honestly find Gillibrand pretty underwhelming.  Klobuchar, sure.  I could see her run for president at some point.  But Gillibrand?  Is there anything more there than the fact that she's a young female Senator from New York?
I think frustrations stemming from Hillary near miss and Obama's compromises will help a female with a strong progressive record and being from NY will allow her to vote very liberal.  She's not Elizabeth Warren but I highly doubt Warren will run.  KG seems quite likely to.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 13, 2010, 10:15:22 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 44%, -1.

Disapprove 53%, u. 

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +2.

Again, this could be a bad sample moving through.  Wednesday or Thursday results should tell, if not sooner.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on December 13, 2010, 07:46:38 PM
Obama down in OH 42/49 - PPP


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 13, 2010, 11:43:04 PM
Other findings from the Clarus Poll:

STATEWIDE JOB RATINGS

                                       Approve Disapprove Don’t Know
President Barack Obama     44%      48%              8%

Wisconsin, too. Republicans did well there in 2010, but probably not in 2012.

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  83
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   67
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 17
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  45
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  18
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: exopolitician on December 14, 2010, 02:07:06 AM
Quote
Despite all that Obama leads all four of the leading Republicans for reelection in 2012 in Ohio in numbers we'll release tomorrow.

Well...okay.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on December 14, 2010, 02:17:41 AM
Quote
Despite all that Obama leads all four of the leading Republicans for reelection in 2012 in Ohio in numbers we'll release tomorrow.

Well...okay.

The "devil you know" mentality rules the day.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 14, 2010, 02:46:41 AM
Quote
Despite all that Obama leads all four of the leading Republicans for reelection in 2012 in Ohio in numbers we'll release tomorrow.

Well...okay.

The "devil you know" mentality rules the day.

And after two years, Obama is still an enigma.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on December 14, 2010, 08:33:27 AM
Quote
Despite all that Obama leads all four of the leading Republicans for reelection in 2012 in Ohio in numbers we'll release tomorrow.

Well...okay.

The "devil you know" mentality rules the day.

And after two years, Obama is still an enigma.

And yet he is leading the entire known GOP field in Ohio of all places!  I agree it seems odd given his approval, but he is polling at a 2008 repeat just about everywhere he's been tested, and that's with an economy that will likely improve over the next 2 years.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 14, 2010, 09:51:19 AM
Virginia (Clarus Research):

44% Approve
48% Disapprove

http://www.clarusrg.com/sites/default/files/SenatorWebbFacesToughReelectionBattle.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 14, 2010, 09:55:04 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, +1.

Disapprove 54%, -1.  (should have been +2 yesterday)

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

Possible bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 14, 2010, 11:03:12 AM
Wisconsin (PPP):

47% Approve
46% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 702 Wisconsin voters and 510 Ohio voters from December 10th to December 12th. For Ohio the survey’s margin of error is +/-4.3% and for Wisconsin the survey’s margin of error is +/-3.7%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_OHWI_1213.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 14, 2010, 11:05:05 AM
All 3 polls (OH, VA and WI) indicate that Obama's approval nationwide is now roughly 44%-ish.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 14, 2010, 12:07:02 PM
Quote
Despite all that Obama leads all four of the leading Republicans for reelection in 2012 in Ohio in numbers we'll release tomorrow.

Well...okay.

The "devil you know" mentality rules the day.

And after two years, Obama is still an enigma.

And yet he is leading the entire known GOP field in Ohio of all places!  I agree it seems odd given his approval, but he is polling at a 2008 repeat just about everywhere he's been tested, and that's with an economy that will likely improve over the next 2 years.

You don't understand the ABO vote.  I'm not part of it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on December 14, 2010, 04:32:14 PM
Zogby has Obama at 39%. I was all WTF, then I realised it was Zogby.

I'm posting this before Hillaryin2012 discovers the "poll" and fills the thread with yet more hackery.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 15, 2010, 09:43:40 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 45%, u.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

The Strongly Approve number is tied with the lowest since Obama was elected.  There may have been some slight downward pressure overall.
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on December 15, 2010, 02:57:33 PM
The strongly disapprove numbers seem a little low as well. It looks like views towards Obama are getting less polarized, which is an excellent sign for his re-election chances.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on December 15, 2010, 03:18:07 PM
The strongly disapprove numbers seem a little low as well. It looks like views towards Obama are getting less polarized, which is an excellent sign for his re-election chances.

He needs that number to go down into the low 30's before he can relax, especially if he stays under 50% approve.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on December 15, 2010, 06:35:12 PM
Thanx Gov Oakvale


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 15, 2010, 06:42:16 PM
The strongly disapprove numbers seem a little low as well. It looks like views towards Obama are getting less polarized, which is an excellent sign for his re-election chances.

Actually his disapproval numbers are tending to be higher than previous presidents at the same point in time.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 15, 2010, 10:59:17 PM
The strongly disapprove numbers seem a little low as well. It looks like views towards Obama are getting less polarized, which is an excellent sign for his re-election chances.

Actually his disapproval numbers are tending to be higher than previous presidents at the same point in time.

Of course no President in recent times has been so vilified so early and so vehemently. Before one bring up Dubya, he had yet to invade Iraq.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: nhmagic on December 15, 2010, 11:23:58 PM
The strongly disapprove numbers seem a little low as well. It looks like views towards Obama are getting less polarized, which is an excellent sign for his re-election chances.

Actually his disapproval numbers are tending to be higher than previous presidents at the same point in time.

Of course no President in recent times has been so vilified so early and so vehemently. Before one bring up Dubya, he had yet to invade Iraq.
Please...spare us.  You get what you give out.  Obama vilified hardworking real Americans (not the eurocentric, one world crowd) before he even assumed power and went to a church for 20 years that spewed hatred of the country.  Bitter clingers...punish our enemies and reward our friends...flipping off both Hillary and McCain in speeches....soliloquies in his book about his hatred of whites...He is getting what he deserves, and he deserves yet more because he needs to feel the pain and anger he has caused this nation while he works to destroy it.  He needs all of the pain he has caused to be returned tenfold upon himself.  The sick thing though, is that he probably feeds off of the pain...like a monster does.  He enjoys it and it pleasures him to see so many people suffering.  Maybe we should lay off for that reason and deprive him such pleasure.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on December 15, 2010, 11:35:38 PM
The strongly disapprove numbers seem a little low as well. It looks like views towards Obama are getting less polarized, which is an excellent sign for his re-election chances.

Actually his disapproval numbers are tending to be higher than previous presidents at the same point in time.

Of course no President in recent times has been so vilified so early and so vehemently. Before one bring up Dubya, he had yet to invade Iraq.
Please...spare us.  You get what you give out.  Obama vilified hardworking real Americans (not the eurocentric, one world crowd) before he even assumed power and went to a church for 20 years that spewed hatred of the country.  Bitter clingers...punish our enemies and reward our friends...flipping off both Hillary and McCain in speeches....soliloquies in his book about his hatred of whites...He is getting what he deserves, and he deserves yet more because he needs to feel the pain and anger he has caused this nation while he works to destroy it.  He needs all of the pain he has caused to be returned tenfold upon himself.  The sick thing though, is that he probably feeds off of the pain...like a monster does.  He enjoys it and it pleasures him to see so many people suffering.  Maybe we should lay off for that reason and deprive him such pleasure.

tl;dr


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 16, 2010, 12:13:05 AM
The strongly disapprove numbers seem a little low as well. It looks like views towards Obama are getting less polarized, which is an excellent sign for his re-election chances.

Actually his disapproval numbers are tending to be higher than previous presidents at the same point in time.

Of course no President in recent times has been so vilified so early and so vehemently. Before one brings up Dubya, he had yet to invade Iraq.

Please...spare us.  You get what you give out.  Obama vilified hardworking real Americans (not the eurocentric, one world crowd) before he even assumed power and went to a church for 20 years that spewed hatred of the country.  Bitter clingers...punish our enemies and reward our friends...flipping off both Hillary and McCain in speeches....soliloquies in his book about his hatred of whites...He is getting what he deserves, and he deserves yet more because he needs to feel the pain and anger he has caused this nation while he works to destroy it.  He needs all of the pain he has caused to be returned tenfold upon himself.  The sick thing though, is that he probably feeds off of the pain...like a monster does.  He enjoys it and it pleasures him to see so many people suffering.  Maybe we should lay off for that reason and deprive him such pleasure.

When the GOP speaks of hard-working "real" people it almost always refers to those who have a harder time spending all the income that they earn. I don't give a d@mn about our poor, starving, underpaid executives who get multi-million-dollar compensation for treating working people badly. I'm talking as a rule about people don't have some supervisor breathing down their necks, berating them for every slackening in effort.

Punish enemies and reward friends? That is the spoils system that Andrew Jackson introduced.

Please don't attribute vindictive sadism to this President. He is neither vindictive nor cruel. Saying such about him may say much more about you than about President Obama.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on December 16, 2010, 12:23:41 AM
I'm so glad that someone remembers the "flipping off" incidents.  I think they speak more about Obama's character than just about anything else.

And I find it funny that those incidents would apparently offend somebody like you.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on December 16, 2010, 12:37:20 AM
The strongly disapprove numbers seem a little low as well. It looks like views towards Obama are getting less polarized, which is an excellent sign for his re-election chances.

Actually his disapproval numbers are tending to be higher than previous presidents at the same point in time.

Of course no President in recent times has been so vilified so early and so vehemently. Before one bring up Dubya, he had yet to invade Iraq.
Please...spare us.  You get what you give out.  Obama vilified hardworking real Americans (not the eurocentric, one world crowd) before he even assumed power and went to a church for 20 years that spewed hatred of the country.  Bitter clingers...punish our enemies and reward our friends...flipping off both Hillary and McCain in speeches....soliloquies in his book about his hatred of whites...He is getting what he deserves, and he deserves yet more because he needs to feel the pain and anger he has caused this nation while he works to destroy it.  He needs all of the pain he has caused to be returned tenfold upon himself.  The sick thing though, is that he probably feeds off of the pain...like a monster does.  He enjoys it and it pleasures him to see so many people suffering.  Maybe we should lay off for that reason and deprive him such pleasure.

a) lay off the meds

b) have you read the books? I have and would absolutely LOVE to see where he hates white people, given the adoration he gives to his mother and grandmother... who were... oh my!!!

c) lay off the meds

d) also... talking about  the effects 'hard working Americans'... when it was the Republicans who gutted public education and economic regulation and wanted to continue tax breaks for those who had shifted those people's jobs overseas?... then wanted to cut off their unemployment ...?

The country is scared and angry, not because of Obama, because of the economy that Obama had no hand in creating imploded... they need to blame someone I guess.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 16, 2010, 08:46:15 AM
Pennsylvania (Quinnipiac):

44% Approve
43% Disapprove

From December 6 - 13, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,584 Pennsylvania voters, with a margin of error of +/- 2.5 percentage points.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1327.xml?ReleaseID=1544


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 16, 2010, 09:36:51 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, +2.

Disapprove 53%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

A bad Obama sample dropped out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 16, 2010, 09:56:58 AM
The strongly disapprove numbers seem a little low as well. It looks like views towards Obama are getting less polarized, which is an excellent sign for his re-election chances.

Actually his disapproval numbers are tending to be higher than previous presidents at the same point in time.

Of course no President in recent times has been so vilified so early and so vehemently. Before one brings up Dubya, he had yet to invade Iraq.

Please...spare us.  You get what you give out.  Obama vilified hardworking real Americans (not the eurocentric, one world crowd) before he even assumed power and went to a church for 20 years that spewed hatred of the country.  Bitter clingers...punish our enemies and reward our friends...flipping off both Hillary and McCain in speeches....soliloquies in his book about his hatred of whites...He is getting what he deserves, and he deserves yet more because he needs to feel the pain and anger he has caused this nation while he works to destroy it.  He needs all of the pain he has caused to be returned tenfold upon himself.  The sick thing though, is that he probably feeds off of the pain...like a monster does.  He enjoys it and it pleasures him to see so many people suffering.  Maybe we should lay off for that reason and deprive him such pleasure.

When the GOP speaks of hard-working "real" people it almost always refers to those who have a harder time spending all the income that they earn. I don't give a d@mn about our poor, starving, underpaid executives who get multi-million-dollar compensation for treating working people badly. I'm talking as a rule about people don't have some supervisor breathing down their necks, berating them for every slackening in effort.

Punish enemies and reward friends? That is the spoils system that Andrew Jackson introduced.

Please don't attribute vindictive sadism to this President. He is neither vindictive nor cruel. Saying such about him may say much more about you than about President Obama.   

Actually, Clinton and Reagan, were probably all more greatly vilified during their first two years and all had lower disapproval ratings.  Carter generally had lower disapproval rates, and in July 1973, Nixon had lower disapproval numbers.

These are Gallup to Gallup numbers here:  http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/presidential-approval-tracker.htm

It looks like it started May to July 2009.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 16, 2010, 11:38:51 AM
Quinnipiac, Pennsylvania, 44-42.

 The large number of undecided  make it a bit questionable, so I am giving it an "S". It will not be averaged against any later polls because it could make a mess of a later poll that doesn't have 14% undecided. if it is averaged in. It's not the 2% margin that is spurious; it's that it could really be 44-47 or 44-51 as easily as 53-42 or 49-42.  
 

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  83
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   67
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 37
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  45
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  18
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 17, 2010, 09:44:00 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 44%, -3.

Disapprove 55%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +2.

Really interesting.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 17, 2010, 02:19:25 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 44%, -3.

Disapprove 55%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +2.

Really interesting.

The "likely voter" screen that may have been relevant to November 2010 refers to a very different electorate than that which will be present in November 2012. Some of the voters of 2012 are now only 16 years old.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 18, 2010, 09:38:54 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 44%, u.

Disapprove 55%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 18, 2010, 09:44:13 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 44%, -3.

Disapprove 55%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +2.

Really interesting.

The "likely voter" screen that may have been relevant to November 2010 refers to a very different electorate than that which will be present in November 2012. Some of the voters of 2012 are now only 16 years old.

Actually, the only strong change, one which did start about a week after the election, was the Strongly Disapproved numbers dropped into the high 30's low 40's.  The pattern with the Strongly Approved numbers is not as strong.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 19, 2010, 09:35:49 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, +2.

Disapprove 53%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 20, 2010, 10:59:25 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 49%, +3.

Disapprove 50%, -3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, -4.

Probably a good Obama sample entered, yesterday.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on December 20, 2010, 02:46:43 PM




Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 49%, +3.

Disapprove 50%, -3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, -4.

Probably a good Obama sample entered, yesterday.

And yet the strongly approve numbers don't move above 23. There has definitely been some movement and there is less polarization in the approval of the President.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 20, 2010, 05:51:00 PM
The heat of the electoral campaign has passed, and it is now down to specific legislation.

Interesting things will happen after the 112th Congress commences. If the GOP majority acts much like GOP majorities in the House since 1994 (and I see no reason to expect otherwise except for more polarizing statements by Republicans) then approval ratings for President Obama could rise by default. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 20, 2010, 06:10:27 PM




Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 49%, +3.

Disapprove 50%, -3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, -4.

Probably a good Obama sample entered, yesterday.

And yet the strongly approve numbers don't move above 23. There has definitely been some movement and there is less polarization in the approval of the President.

I think it just might be a skewed good Obama sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 20, 2010, 06:16:49 PM
Florida, PPP:

45% approval, 49% approval

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-In Florida Obama's approval is still in slightly negative territory at 45/49 but the -4 spread on that matches the best PPP has found in six polls conducted in the state over the course of 2010. Liberals don't like the tax deal there, opposing it by a 48/43 margin. Partially as a result of that Obama's approval with them is down from 81% in late October to now 67%. With moderates though, who are twice as numerous in Florida as liberals, Obama's up from 51% approval then to now 62%. That more than makes up for his diminished popularity with liberals and his overall approval is up 5 points from 40% right before the election.
 

Florida is of course one of the states that any Republican nominee absolutely must win to have a chance. Enough such states (Florida, Missouri, North Carolina, Ohio, and Virginia) as 50-50 toss-ups, give the Republicans one chance in 32 of winning the election.

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  83
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   67
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 37
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  73
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  18
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 21, 2010, 11:05:17 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 50%, +1.

Disapprove 49%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 36%, -1.

Highestt Approve number since 3/14/10; I strongly suspect a skewed pro-Obama sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on December 21, 2010, 12:59:13 PM
But you haven't strongly suspected a skewed anti-Obama sample the last 2 years?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on December 21, 2010, 08:44:33 PM
Don't get too excited Joe.  Gallup has him at 46/48


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on December 22, 2010, 12:05:40 AM
Don't get too excited Joe.  Gallup has him at 46/48

Hardly bad numbers all things considered.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 22, 2010, 01:09:48 AM
Look at all the genuine tossups -- but all in states that the Republicans all must win to have a reasonable chance. I'm not sure that Kansas is a legitimate tossup, but otherwise everything in white is an obvious must-win for the Republicans.


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow 
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow 
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow 
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                   
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  83
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   66
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 37
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  73
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  18
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


I have just altered the electoral votes predicted for Missouri and New York (which will both  lose one) and Texas and Florida, both of which will gain one more than the earlier model had predicted. Totals have been changed.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on December 22, 2010, 04:34:49 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 50%, +1.

Disapprove 49%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 36%, -1.

Highestt Approve number since 3/14/10; I strongly suspect a skewed pro-Obama sample.

Considering that he has passed more successful major legislation than he has in several months, and all in the lame duck session, I'd say this is not too far out of range for the President. If we consider the possibility that Rasmussen may not be hitting as many of the disenchanted liberals as Gallup is, I'd say that a 4 or 5 point gap could reasonably exist between the two pollsters.  

Since November, Obama's Democratic Approval has dropped from 83% to 79% - a four point margin which could explain the drop in Gallup, but the rise in Rasmussen.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 22, 2010, 09:46:04 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, -2.

Disapprove 51%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, +2.

There still might be a pro-Obama daily in there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 22, 2010, 09:47:59 AM
But you haven't strongly suspected a skewed anti-Obama sample the last 2 years?

Of course I have, repeatedly.  It generally has been.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 22, 2010, 09:55:39 AM




Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 49%, +3.

Disapprove 50%, -3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, -4.

Probably a good Obama sample entered, yesterday.

And yet the strongly approve numbers don't move above 23. There has definitely been some movement and there is less polarization in the approval of the President.

Well, had the been real movement, we should have seen that number go up, or hold.



Considering that he has passed more successful major legislation than he has in several months, and all in the lame duck session, I'd say this is not too far out of range for the President. If we consider the possibility that Rasmussen may not be hitting as many of the disenchanted liberals as Gallup is, I'd say that a 4 or 5 point gap could reasonably exist between the two pollsters. 

Since November, Obama's Democratic Approval has dropped from 83% to 79% - a four point margin which could explain the drop in Gallup, but the rise in Rasmussen.

Which should have moved all numbers and shouldn't have just started on Monday.

I just won't to be too gleeful if there is a big drop in Obama's numbers by Christmas.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: anvi on December 22, 2010, 10:16:47 AM
Looks like the approval of moderates/independents has seen a slight uptick during the Lame Duck.  CNN has it climbing from 55 to 60%

http://www.npr.org/2010/12/21/132235761/obama-do-you-like-me-yet


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on December 22, 2010, 10:21:04 AM
But you haven't strongly suspected a skewed anti-Obama sample the last 2 years?

Of course I have, repeatedly.  It generally has been.

Or perhaps Barack Obama is more popular than you assume.

To me, it appears that the President's approval rating has been on the rise (albeit very slowly) since late August to early September, rising from a low of 43% in Gallup's polling in the middle of August.

EDIT: Anvikshiki's reply on the last page includes a poll that would seem to confirm this.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 22, 2010, 10:46:47 AM
Quote
North Carolina Survey Results (PPP, December 22)
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 46%
Disapprove...................................................... 49%
Not sure .......................................................... 4%
Q2 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of Newt Gingrich?
Favorable........................................................ 35%
Unfavorable .................................................... 47%
Not sure .......................................................... 17%
Q3 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of Mike Huckabee?
Favorable........................................................ 43%
Unfavorable .................................................... 34%
Not sure .......................................................... 24%
Q4 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of Sarah Palin?
Favorable........................................................ 36%
Unfavorable .................................................... 57%
Not sure .......................................................... 7%
Q5 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of Mitt Romney?
Favorable........................................................ 34%
Unfavorable .................................................... 39%
Not sure .......................................................... 27%
Q6 If the candidates for President in 2012 were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 48%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 42%
Undecided....................................................... 10%
Q7 If the candidates for President in 2012 were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mike
Huckabee, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 45%
Mike Huckabee ............................................... 46%
Undecided....................................................... 9%
Q8 If the candidates for President in 2012 were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 52%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 38%
Undecided....................................................... 10%
Q9 If the candidates for President in 2012 were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 46%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 43%
Undecided....................................................... 10%
Q10 Do you approve or disapprove of Republican
Senator Richard Burr's job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 36%
Disapprove...................................................... 34%
Not sure .......................................................... 30%


...Huckabee would win North Carolina but lose Ohio, so simply exchange the states if Huckabee should be the Republican nominee. Everyone else loses both North Carolina and Ohio (and probably Virginia and Florida) to Obama.

Georgia would be interesting.


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow 
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow 
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow 
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                   
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  83
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   66
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 52
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  57
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  18
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on December 22, 2010, 11:02:04 AM
But you haven't strongly suspected a skewed anti-Obama sample the last 2 years?

Of course I have, repeatedly.  It generally has been.

Or perhaps Barack Obama is more popular than you assume.

To me, it appears that the President's approval rating has been on the rise (albeit very slowly) since late August to early September, rising from a low of 43% in Gallup's polling in the middle of August.

EDIT: Anvikshiki's reply on the last page includes a poll that would seem to confirm this.



Gallup is a bouncy poll. It swings a lot.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on December 22, 2010, 11:11:34 AM
But you haven't strongly suspected a skewed anti-Obama sample the last 2 years?

Of course I have, repeatedly.  It generally has been.

Or perhaps Barack Obama is more popular than you assume.

To me, it appears that the President's approval rating has been on the rise (albeit very slowly) since late August to early September, rising from a low of 43% in Gallup's polling in the middle of August.

EDIT: Anvikshiki's reply on the last page includes a poll that would seem to confirm this.



Gallup is a bouncy poll. It swings a lot.

This is, unfortunately, sometimes true. However, Gallup is the only sufficiently accurate poll that gives as much information as it does without charging me for it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on December 22, 2010, 08:27:41 PM
Harris Pollster has Obama at 36% for December


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on December 22, 2010, 08:32:52 PM
Harris Pollster has Obama at 36% for December

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: All Along The Watchtower on December 23, 2010, 02:25:10 AM
Question: Does anyone else suppose that Oregon has a lower current approval rating of Obama than Washington and California because he's not liberal enough for them?

I know that many Democrats and liberals are angry or otherwise frustrated with Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CultureKing on December 23, 2010, 02:59:18 AM
Question: Does anyone else suppose that Oregon has a lower current approval rating of Obama than Washington and California because he's not liberal enough for them?

I know that many Democrats and liberals are angry or otherwise frustrated with Obama.

I don't think so, Oregon is marginally more moderate than Washington or California. Though I would say that Oregon if anything is more 'independent' in their politics, they just don't quite fit as well into the whole left vs right debate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Brittain33 on December 23, 2010, 09:12:28 AM
Harris Pollster has Obama at 36% for December

Wasn't that an Internet poll?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on December 23, 2010, 09:36:29 AM
Question: Does anyone else suppose that Oregon has a lower current approval rating of Obama than Washington and California because he's not liberal enough for them?

I know that many Democrats and liberals are angry or otherwise frustrated with Obama.

Oregon has a lower percentage of Dem leaners...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 23, 2010, 09:37:01 AM



Approve 47%, -1.

Disapprove 51%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +4.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, +1.

There still might be a pro-Obama daily in there.  It might drop out tomorrow.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 23, 2010, 04:21:12 PM

No change here:

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow 
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow 
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow 
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)

District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                   
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  83
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   66
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 52
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  57
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  18
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                   
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  83
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   66
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%7
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  29
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  47
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  0
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 24, 2010, 10:32:54 AM
New Jersey (Quinnipiac):

50% Approve
45% Disapprove

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1545

Virginia (Roanoke College):

36% Approve
52% Disapprove
12% "Mixed"

http://roanoke.edu/Documents/harrywilson/Dec2010Freqs4.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 24, 2010, 10:33:51 AM


Approve 46%, -1.

Disapprove 53%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, +1.

A pro-Obama sample dropped.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 24, 2010, 10:36:04 AM
But you haven't strongly suspected a skewed anti-Obama sample the last 2 years?

Of course I have, repeatedly.  It generally has been.

Or perhaps Barack Obama is more popular than you assume.

To me, it appears that the President's approval rating has been on the rise (albeit very slowly) since late August to early September, rising from a low of 43% in Gallup's polling in the middle of August.

EDIT: Anvikshiki's reply on the last page includes a poll that would seem to confirm this.


Or a pro-Obama sample dropped.

Now, long term, Obama is up from his lows.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on December 24, 2010, 03:32:06 PM
But you haven't strongly suspected a skewed anti-Obama sample the last 2 years?

Of course I have, repeatedly.  It generally has been.

Or perhaps Barack Obama is more popular than you assume.

To me, it appears that the President's approval rating has been on the rise (albeit very slowly) since late August to early September, rising from a low of 43% in Gallup's polling in the middle of August.

EDIT: Anvikshiki's reply on the last page includes a poll that would seem to confirm this.


Or a pro-Obama sample dropped.

Now, long term, Obama is up from his lows.

Exactly my point.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 24, 2010, 03:36:11 PM
But you haven't strongly suspected a skewed anti-Obama sample the last 2 years?

Of course I have, repeatedly.  It generally has been.

Or perhaps Barack Obama is more popular than you assume.

To me, it appears that the President's approval rating has been on the rise (albeit very slowly) since late August to early September, rising from a low of 43% in Gallup's polling in the middle of August.

EDIT: Anvikshiki's reply on the last page includes a poll that would seem to confirm this.


Or a pro-Obama sample dropped.

Now, long term, Obama is up from his lows.

Exactly my point.


Which I noted a month or two ago.  These changes over 2-4 days have more to do with samples than a long term trend.  Don't confuse the difference over a week with long term trends.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 24, 2010, 04:25:03 PM
I think this was not posted yet:

SurveyUSA's approval ratings in some states for December (conducted Dec. 13).

California: 51-41

Kansas: 31-66

Oregon: 40-57 (LOL)

Washington: 49-47


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on December 24, 2010, 06:08:11 PM
SurveyUSA must get its act together or they will become a laughingstock like ARG.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 24, 2010, 08:43:53 PM
NJ update. Q is reliable enough. The one from Roanoke College for Virginia has a severe fault in the distribution of statewide population. Northern Virginia is far more populous than the very rural Shenandoah Valley, and any Virginia poll that skews rural will skew heavily Republican.  


SurveyUSA seems about right on Kansas,  is a joke on Oregon (misprint?) , and says nothing that nobody else doesn't say about the others.

 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)

District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  69
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   80
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 52
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  51
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  18
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
6



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  69
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   80
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%7
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  23
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  47
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  0
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on December 25, 2010, 12:21:49 AM
Doubt it's a misprint, if it were then it would of been corrected.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 25, 2010, 03:25:18 AM
It´s not a misprint, rather a huge outlier. Just look at 18-34 year olds:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 25, 2010, 09:52:57 AM
Probably nothing from Rasmussen over the holiday.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 25, 2010, 11:00:43 AM
So far, what isn't shown? I acknowledge that Vermont, Maryland, Utah, and Oklahoma are foregone conclusions.

The closest states of 2008 not yet shown were Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, New Hampshire, both Dakotas, and South Carolina.   NE-01 and NE-02 are in this category (although NE-03 would be among the last electoral votes that Obama could ever win, and it is R enough that it makes Nebraska about as R as Kansas.

I'd like to see South Dakota, if only to see how well John Thune would do there -- and Indiana, which has Mitch Daniels (better known in Indiana than elsewhere). Texas is its own political world. Any Republican who can't win Texas against President Obama would set up an Obama landslide if nominated. Just by adding Texas to the electoral votes that Obama won in 2008 pushes the President near 400 electoral votes (393), and I can't see Obama winning Texas without picking up Missouri and Georgia and making some Southern states and Arizona very close. 



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on December 25, 2010, 11:18:15 AM
::facepalm::  I would suggest changing Oregon to a midshade of blue (temporarily)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tpfkaw on December 25, 2010, 11:42:31 AM
I agree!  Obama surely could win Kansas, but Republicans could never win Oregon!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on December 26, 2010, 05:45:52 PM
it's hilarious that some people here think SurveyUSA is a joke.

These guys kicked PPP's ass two election cyles in a row.  I guess the Democrat Party folks here are going to argue that surveyusa changes its results at the very end to fit reality.   PPP did the same thing.  Some people here forget that PPP showed Perry and Paul in toss-ups in the summer.

As for the Roanoke poll, since when did college pollsters become conservative-leaning?  That poll is of residents, meaning that it should be favorable to Obama.  There's no reason to believe PPP over Roanoke. They both may be at the extremes but I would posit that if you are willing to disbelieve the Roanoke poll, I would disbelieve the PPP one as well considering that it's unlikely for Obama to be at 50% in Virginia based on where he is nationally.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on December 26, 2010, 06:50:04 PM
I'll just throw those Survey USA polls in this map for fun, it would look somewhat like this for 2012

Generic Rep - 284
Obama - 254
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on December 26, 2010, 06:57:34 PM
This is a Democrat's dream for Obama's 2012 reelection

Obama - 405
Reactionist - 133
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on December 26, 2010, 07:03:47 PM
This is a Democrat's dream for Obama's 2012 reelection

Obama - 405
Reactionist - 133
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+Texas and the Dakotas.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 27, 2010, 11:51:42 AM

Approve 48%, +2.

Disapprove 51%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 28, 2010, 01:53:25 AM
I think this was not posted yet:

SurveyUSA's approval ratings in some states for December (conducted Dec. 13).

California: 51-41

Kansas: 31-66

Oregon: 40-57 (LOL)

Washington: 49-47

I forgot Ohio:

40% Approve
57% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=8746f46b-86d3-45cc-80d7-676b06263d0e


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on December 28, 2010, 01:55:50 AM
SurveyUSA suggests that a lot of white liberals/moderates are unhappy with Obama.

However, SurveyUSA's actually crosstabs are extremely favorable to Obama and the Democrat Party.  SUSA shows that conservatives only have a 31/24 lead over liberals in the state or that there are 13% more Democrats than Republicans.

So SUSA isn't really finding overly conservative samples.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 28, 2010, 01:57:56 AM
SurveyUSA suggests that a lot of white liberals/moderates are unhappy with Obama.

However, SurveyUSA's actually crosstabs are extremely favorable to Obama and the Democrat Party.  SUSA shows that conservatives only have a 31/24 lead over liberals in the state or that there are 13% more Democrats than Republicans.

So SUSA isn't really finding overly conservative samples.

Their approval polls have always been trash, their general election polls are OK.

There´s absolutely no way Obama is at 40% in Oregon, when he's at 48% nationally (Rasmussen).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on December 28, 2010, 02:00:35 AM
Ok Tender, I'll play along.

There is no way Obama is at 46% nationally in Gallup and then for PPP to show Obama at 46% approval in North Carolina or 50% in Virginia or 45% in Florida.

I'm just utilizing your logic.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 28, 2010, 02:07:36 AM
Ok Tender, I'll play along.

There is no way Obama is at 46% nationally in Gallup and then for PPP to show Obama at 46% approval in North Carolina or 50% in Virginia or 45% in Florida.

I'm just utilizing your logic.

Look, these fall within the margin of error of the national results at that time.

When PPP polled FL, Rasmussen had Obama at 50% approval, so 45% is 5 points less.

When PPP polled NC, Rasmussen had Obama at 49% approval, so 46% is 3 points less.

When PPP polled VA, Rasmussen had Obama at 47% approval, so 50% is 3 points more.

All fall within the MoE of the national figures and Virginia is trending heavily Democratic, in 2008 it was already at the national average and might be ABOVE the national average for Obama right now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on December 28, 2010, 02:11:24 AM
So let me get this straight:

You trust Rasmussen's daily tracking approval rating poll (but not his state-by-state approval rating polling) but you distrust his head-to-head polling

You trust SurveyUSA's head-to-head polling but you distrust its state-by-state approval rating polling.

And of course, anything that a Democrat pollster who was pimping Elaine Marshall produces is accurate because Nate Silver said that its end results were Republican-leaning, ignoring the fact that its earlier polling showed Rand Paul and Rick Perry in dead heats.

Is this an accurate representation of your view on the pollsters?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 28, 2010, 02:19:12 AM
So let me get this straight:

You trust Rasmussen's daily tracking approval rating poll (but not his state-by-state approval rating polling) but you distrust his head-to-head polling

You trust SurveyUSA's head-to-head polling but you distrust its state-by-state approval rating polling.

And of course, anything that a Democrat pollster who was pimping Elaine Marshall produces is accurate because Nate Silver said that its end results were Republican-leaning, ignoring the fact that its earlier polling showed Rand Paul and Rick Perry in dead heats.

Is this an accurate representation of your view on the pollsters?

Fact is that Rasmussen's NATIONAL polling about approval ratings in 2010 mirrored the Exit Poll very closely. They also got the NATIONAL 2004 and 2008 final polls between Kerry and Bush and Obama and McCain right. He might have found a good formula with this.

Their state by state polling is OK in some cycles, bad in others (2010). I cannot say alot about their statewide approval ratings, because they became really shady recently and cover things up in their releases to attract money from subcribers.

SurveyUSA has a really bad track record with state approval ratings after 2006, but has the best track record for general election polls.

PPP's numbers are among the best overall (general election and approval ratings, when compared with the exit polls) - this cycle and in the 2008 cycle. If you deny that, you are out of reality.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on December 28, 2010, 02:22:39 AM
Do you deny that Rasmussen and SurveyUSA are finding a completely different presidential race than the presidential race PPP is finding?

You just stated that all three have something to brag about but you are ignoring the fact that Ras and SurveyUSA are finding a different America than PPP.

I'd take SurveyUSA over PPP but PPP (at the end) over Rasmussen.  It seems that Ras and PPP are more prone to producing outliers for its head-to-head polling than SurveyUSA.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: fezzyfestoon on December 28, 2010, 02:23:50 AM
Watch out, Tender, you'll catch the dumb.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 28, 2010, 02:34:01 AM
Do you deny that Rasmussen and SurveyUSA are finding a completely different presidential race than the presidential race PPP is finding?

You just stated that all three have something to brag about but you are ignoring the fact that Ras and SurveyUSA are finding a different America than PPP.

I'd take SurveyUSA over PPP but PPP (at the end) over Rasmussen.  It seems that Ras and PPP are more prone to producing outliers for its head-to-head polling than SurveyUSA.

Rasmussen and SurveyUSA are just so reclusive right now that you can't make any comparison with PPP. Rasmussen and SUSA have not put out polls of the 2012 race so far.

And they all use currently faulty measures too: SurveyUSA uses adults in their polls, when a lot of these people will actually never vote in 2 years and distorts figures in states like California, where not even half of adults are likely voters.

If there are any differences, it will be because of these different models.

If you look at PPIC's latest polls from California, you'll see that Obama's approval among California ADULTS is about 60%, among REGISTERED Voters it is about 55% and among LIKELY VOTERS it's 50%.

How can SurveyUSA's figures among CA Adults be so low then ?

Because they are notoriously bad. The same with Rasmussen's state polls, where they use Likely Voters 1 or 2 years out. They are also bad. PPP does the only right thing and uses Registered Voters until a few months before the actual election.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on December 28, 2010, 02:40:09 AM
SurveyUSA has polled the 2012 race.  They did so in early November.

I'll concede that it's odd that SurveyUSA produces such bad results for Obama when it polls adults as polling adults generally favor Obama.  It's very unusual for it to be the other way around but that just happens to be the case with SurveyUSA.  I don't know why you would object to it considering that it's likely to find a sample favorable to Obama.  Perhaps SurveyUSA is finding too many adult non-voters who lean Democrat who are upset with Obama.  That may be a flaw in their model.

However, for every PPIC-type poll that you cite to disprove SurveyUSA's findings, I can just cite another Roanoke college poll to provide support for SurveyUSA's findings.  Do I believe that Obama is at 36% in Virginia among adults?  No but I don't think he's at 50% among registered voters either.  Both results are laughable.

Keep in mind too that Mason-Dixon will come close to SurveyUSA in a lot of these states.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 28, 2010, 02:47:30 AM
SurveyUSA has polled the 2012 race.  They did so in early November.

The NewsMax polls ?

There was a reference to SurveyUSA in their release, but it wasn't mentioned on the SurveyUSA site.

So, this dubios NewsMax site might have just pulled this release out of their ass and said SUSA polled for them ...

Normally, SUSA has the crosstabs on their site or on the page of the client they polled for.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on December 28, 2010, 02:52:50 AM
Any other conspiracy theories?  I'm sure SurveyUSA would have said something about it if they didn't in reality poll it but hey, you are free to believe in any conspiracy that you want to believe in.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 28, 2010, 02:54:16 AM
Any other conspiracy theories?  I'm sure SurveyUSA would have said something about it if they didn't in reality poll it but hey, you are free to believe in any conspiracy that you want to believe in.

Polls that have 0% undecided 2 years out are dubious, don't you think ?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on December 28, 2010, 02:54:35 AM
Hmm, let's relax for a minute, shall we?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7ubI-MTLVM


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on December 28, 2010, 03:03:52 AM
Tender,

Hey man, you were one who claimed something a lot more sinister than dubious.  Yes, I think it was a mistake on SurveyUSA's part to push everyone to make a choice.  However, that critique is different from claiming SurveyUSA never conducted the polling (a la Strategic Vision/Research 2000) as you suggested.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 28, 2010, 03:11:43 AM
Tender,

Hey man, you were one who claimed something a lot more sinister than dubious.  Yes, I think it was a mistake on SurveyUSA's part to push everyone to make a choice.  However, that critique is different from claiming SurveyUSA never conducted the polling (a la Strategic Vision/Research 2000) as you suggested.

As I've said I have a problem with right-wing news magazines that publish 100%-with-no-undecideds poll results and no crosstabs on their site.

But lets wait until SUSA and Rasmussen put out their own 2012 polls on their sites and now please let us adjourn the discussion obout it for a couple of months until we get them.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 28, 2010, 09:41:54 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, -1.

Disapprove 51%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 28, 2010, 09:51:15 AM
Tender,

Hey man, you were one who claimed something a lot more sinister than dubious.  Yes, I think it was a mistake on SurveyUSA's part to push everyone to make a choice.  However, that critique is different from claiming SurveyUSA never conducted the polling (a la Strategic Vision/Research 2000) as you suggested.

As I've said I have a problem with right-wing news magazines that publish 100%-with-no-undecideds poll results and no crosstabs on their site.

But lets wait until SUSA and Rasmussen put out their own 2012 polls on their sites and now please let us adjourn the discussion obout it for a couple of months until we get them.

Over the next few months the pollsters are going to assess the approvals that incoming Senators and Governors get. We are going to see how popular some Hard Right politicians fare in such states as Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. If they do badly, then President Obama stands to win a landslide.

Hint: there's not much of a honeymoon this time.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on December 28, 2010, 10:05:33 AM
Tender,

Hey man, you were one who claimed something a lot more sinister than dubious.  Yes, I think it was a mistake on SurveyUSA's part to push everyone to make a choice.  However, that critique is different from claiming SurveyUSA never conducted the polling (a la Strategic Vision/Research 2000) as you suggested.

As I've said I have a problem with right-wing news magazines that publish 100%-with-no-undecideds poll results and no crosstabs on their site.

But lets wait until SUSA and Rasmussen put out their own 2012 polls on their sites and now please let us adjourn the discussion obout it for a couple of months until we get them.

Over the next few months the pollsters are going to assess the approvals that incoming Senators and Governors get. We are going to see how popular some Hard Right politicians fare in such states as Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. If they do badly, then President Obama stands to win a landslide.

Hint: there's not much of a honeymoon this time.

Define "hard right."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 28, 2010, 10:07:29 AM
Tender,

Hey man, you were one who claimed something a lot more sinister than dubious.  Yes, I think it was a mistake on SurveyUSA's part to push everyone to make a choice.  However, that critique is different from claiming SurveyUSA never conducted the polling (a la Strategic Vision/Research 2000) as you suggested.

As I've said I have a problem with right-wing news magazines that publish 100%-with-no-undecideds poll results and no crosstabs on their site.

But lets wait until SUSA and Rasmussen put out their own 2012 polls on their sites and now please let us adjourn the discussion obout it for a couple of months until we get them.

Over the next few months the pollsters are going to assess the approvals that incoming Senators and Governors get. We are going to see how popular some Hard Right politicians fare in such states as Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. If they do badly, then President Obama stands to win a landslide.

Hint: there's not much of a honeymoon this time.

Define "hard right."

Hard Right -- Jim DeMint is Hard Right, and Dick Lugar isn't.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Vosem on December 28, 2010, 02:10:45 PM
Tender,

Hey man, you were one who claimed something a lot more sinister than dubious.  Yes, I think it was a mistake on SurveyUSA's part to push everyone to make a choice.  However, that critique is different from claiming SurveyUSA never conducted the polling (a la Strategic Vision/Research 2000) as you suggested.

As I've said I have a problem with right-wing news magazines that publish 100%-with-no-undecideds poll results and no crosstabs on their site.

But lets wait until SUSA and Rasmussen put out their own 2012 polls on their sites and now please let us adjourn the discussion obout it for a couple of months until we get them.

Over the next few months the pollsters are going to assess the approvals that incoming Senators and Governors get. We are going to see how popular some Hard Right politicians fare in such states as Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. If they do badly, then President Obama stands to win a landslide.

Hint: there's not much of a honeymoon this time.

Define "hard right."

Hard Right -- Jim DeMint is Hard Right, and Dick Lugar isn't.

By that definition, Scott, Kasich, Corbett, and Walker aren't Hard Right.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Saxwsylvania on December 28, 2010, 02:13:49 PM
Obama's going to win in a landslide because Pat Toomey and Marco Rubio might be unpopular in 2012? 

Hey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Taft), pbrower!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on December 28, 2010, 05:40:27 PM
Tender,

I'll accept that.  But you damn well know that Rasmussen is going to show a close race for Obama (including the Palin-Obama matchup).

Your friends on this blog will easily dismiss Rasmussen as a right-wing pollster.  I'll remember and see if you are willing to stand up for Rasmussen when that time comes.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 29, 2010, 11:58:16 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, -1.

Disapprove 51%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on December 29, 2010, 01:03:09 PM
I'm curious if Obama starts polling above 50 in the next few months if any of the presumed candidates will get cold feet and bail on a run.  I don't think you'll see any majors get in before mid-March.

I'm continuing to assume Palin and Huckabee won't say anything in the 1st half of 2011.  It'll also be curious to see how they continue to poll without announcing or campaigning.  Obama being over 50% for 6 months would probably keep Huck out and maybe Palin as her head-to-head gap would grow.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on December 29, 2010, 01:12:08 PM
Joe,

He's not getting 50% anywhere besides perhaps the Washington Post poll.

Ras's 51% disapproval is as hardened as you can get.  That number isn't improving even if the economy comes back dramatically.  If you believe Rasmussen, Obama's goose is cooked.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 29, 2010, 03:00:18 PM
Joe,

He's not getting 50% anywhere besides perhaps the Washington Post poll.

Ras's 51% disapproval is as hardened as you can get.  That number isn't improving even if the economy comes back dramatically.  If you believe Rasmussen, Obama's goose is cooked.

Wrong. Very wrong.

There are people who will be as dissatisfied with the choice that the GOP has to offer as with President Obama even if nothing else changes. Such people either won't vote or will waste their votes on some minor-party candidate. 48-46-6 still wins -- for Obama.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on December 29, 2010, 03:43:38 PM
Pbrower,

We'll see what Rasmussen shows.  Chances are that you'll be denouncing Ras as a right-wing pollster.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on December 29, 2010, 03:52:50 PM
Joe,

He's not getting 50% anywhere besides perhaps the Washington Post poll.

Ras's 51% disapproval is as hardened as you can get.  That number isn't improving even if the economy comes back dramatically.  If you believe Rasmussen, Obama's goose is cooked.

By this logic both Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan should be one term Presidents.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on December 29, 2010, 05:29:49 PM
By your logic, if Obama gets over 50%, he's guaranteed to win just like George H.W. Bush was in 1991.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 29, 2010, 07:59:41 PM
1. "It's the economy, stupid".

Sure, I would have rather seen the Democrats fare better in the 2010 election, but President Obama is practically in a "heads, I win/tails, you lose" situation, If the economy improves between now and November 2012, then he gets to claim that his policies made the recovery possible. If the economy falters and the GOP chooses to thwart every measure that President Obama offers and offers only pay cuts to the non-rich and new tax cuts for the super-rich, then President wins much as Truman did in 1948 by running against a "Do-Nothing" or even "Do-Wrong" Congress.  To be sure, President Obama would have to be the competent adult in the latter scenario, but that would be enough with which to win.

2. Foreign policy.

President Obama has been very effective at creating a better image for America than was his predecessor. American combat troops are out of Iraq, and the President seems to be heading to a definitive solution for Afghanistan. No longer being in a war that we should never have stumbled into and getting out of one that should have been concluded earlier is a position of strength in a genuine campaign. The 2012 electoral campaign has yet to begin, but foreign policy is one thing on which President Obama can hammer some Republicans -- like those who opposed the renewal of the START Treaty with Russia.

The military vote has typically been right-leaning, nit it can vote for a President successful at extricating

3. The 112th Congress.

The House of Representatives will have a rigid Hard Right majority. It will quite possible go for the most extreme positions that Americans will have known.  Unless the Hard Right succeeds at winning over America -- it is on probation -- Obama wins.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on December 29, 2010, 08:20:36 PM
By your logic, if Obama gets over 50%, he's guaranteed to win just like George H.W. Bush was in 1991.

Actually no. If Obama gets over 50% he'll just be better off to win. GHWB had high approvals right up to 1992, and then fell sharply. Such is the trend with Presidents like Carter, Bush 41, and Bush 43. They tend to have high approvals, maintain them for a while, and then see a sharp decline in their approval ratings.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 29, 2010, 10:21:32 PM
By your logic, if Obama gets over 50%, he's guaranteed to win just like George H.W. Bush was in 1991.

Actually no. If Obama gets over 50% he'll just be better off to win. GHWB had high approvals right up to 1992, and then fell sharply. Such is the trend with Presidents like Carter, Bush 41, and Bush 43. They tend to have high approvals, maintain them for a while, and then see a sharp decline in their approval ratings.

Absolutely. Carter failed as a President to a large extent (even if the Iranian Hostage Crisis hadn't occurred) because of a paucity of legislative achievements as President. Ronald Reagan may have been an unusually-strong candidate in 1980, but Carter would likely have lost to a far-weaker campaigner than Reagan because Carter would have had to make fresh promises to do things that he hadn't done as President in his first term.  The elder Bush failed because he rested on his laurels as President; I am not entirely sure that his heart was into a second term. Dubya bungled his way from an approval rate of 91% to one in the 20s, but not fast enough to lose a bid for a second term. A stronger candidate than John Kerry, or at least one with a better strategy for winning against a poor President, would have beaten Dubya.

Like the results or not, Obama has achieved more pieces of legislation than any President in two years than some have in eight. To this point he has every advantage over Jimmy Carter. If he achieves anything with the GOP-dominated Congress he shows himself as the new Ronald Reagan; if he achieves little that he presents as reasonable (that Americans generally recognize as reasonable), then he campaigns against Congress much as Truman did in 1948.

We have yet to see who the GOP nominee will be. Assuming that Sarah Palin proves an epic fail (and no 47-state landslide for President Obama because he faces quite possibly the worst-prepared candidate for President ever, someone who makes Dubya look by contrast a paragon of integrity, probity, and mental nimbleness), I can still predict that the GOP nominee will be tied closely to the usual narrow special interests of the contemporary GOP. 

The breakneck pace of the 111th Congress may have convinced many Americans that they want government to slow down its activity in attempts to change America. In 2012 they might want something from Congress other than wholesale efforts to repeal everything that the 111st Congress did.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on December 29, 2010, 10:46:53 PM
Brower,

Even your boys at the Daily Kos show her up in Montana, a state that Obama only lost by 3 last time with plenty more undecided Republicans than Democrats.

Explain to me how Obama wins 47 states against her if he cannot win Montana (and there's no way he would win if you look at the undecideds).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ag on December 29, 2010, 11:25:38 PM
That number isn't improving even if the economy comes back dramatically. 

That would sure be extremely unusual :)))


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on December 29, 2010, 11:31:50 PM

Ras's 51% disapproval is as hardened as you can get.  That number isn't improving even if the economy comes back dramatically. 

Did you pull this straight out your ass? By your logic, Obama's approval rating can't fall below 43-44% even if unemployment touches 11%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 30, 2010, 09:55:37 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, -2.

Disapprove 53%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, u.

Probably just a shift within range, i.e. a anti Obama coming in or a pro-Obama sample dropping out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on December 30, 2010, 01:33:49 PM
Brower,

Even your boys at the Daily Kos show her up in Montana, a state that Obama only lost by 3 last time with plenty more undecided Republicans than Democrats.

Explain to me how Obama wins 47 states against her if he cannot win Montana (and there's no way he would win if you look at the undecideds).

You realize there's this whole five month process of campaigning, which includes three debates, and would likely change the landscape of any election by November?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 30, 2010, 01:40:57 PM
Brower,

Even your boys at the Daily Kos show her up in Montana, a state that Obama only lost by 3 last time with plenty more undecided Republicans than Democrats.

Explain to me how Obama wins 47 states against her if he cannot win Montana (and there's no way he would win if you look at the undecideds).

Sarah Palin would make such a fool of herself that she could lose 47 states. One of those 47 would be Montana. Others would include Nebraska and Kansas, where people might be conservatives but not insane. Except for smoking, President Obama acts more like a Mormon than does Sarah Palin.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on December 30, 2010, 03:11:26 PM
Neither of you understand that if someone isn't willing to vote for Obama now, he or she will never be willing to vote for Obama, especially in the matchups with Palin.

What Obama is getting against her now is all that he's going to get.  He has no room to grow in a matchup against her.  All of his base is already voting for him and if a swing voter isn't voting for Obama now, he or she will be voting for her.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 30, 2010, 03:25:53 PM
1. "It's the economy, stupid".

Sure, I would have rather seen the Democrats fare better in the 2010 election, but President Obama is practically in a "heads, I win/tails, you lose" situation, If the economy improves between now and November 2012, then he gets to claim that his policies made the recovery possible. If the economy falters and the GOP chooses to thwart every measure that President Obama offers and offers only pay cuts to the non-rich and new tax cuts for the super-rich, then President wins much as Truman did in 1948 by running against a "Do-Nothing" or even "Do-Wrong" Congress.  To be sure, President Obama would have to be the competent adult in the latter scenario, but that would be enough with which to win.

It's still the economy.

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2. Foreign policy.

President Obama has been very effective at creating a better image for America than was his predecessor. American combat troops are out of Iraq, and the President seems to be heading to a definitive solution for Afghanistan. No longer being in a war that we should never have stumbled into and getting out of one that should have been concluded earlier is a position of strength in a genuine campaign. The 2012 electoral campaign has yet to begin, but foreign policy is one thing on which President Obama can hammer some Republicans -- like those who opposed the renewal of the START Treaty with Russia.

The supposed Obama Effect overseas never materialized.


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3. The 112th Congress.

The House of Representatives will have a rigid Hard Right majority. It will quite possible go for the most extreme positions that Americans will have known.  Unless the Hard Right succeeds at winning over America -- it is on probation -- Obama wins.



And the Democrats are in control of the Senate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Iosif on December 30, 2010, 06:29:54 PM
How big is the Bradley effect going to be in 2012 J. J.?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on December 30, 2010, 08:52:17 PM
Pbrower,

So Mormons don't have kids who become decorated military veterans?

Or Mormons have kids who spend time in racist churches where they learn about how the CIA created the HIV Virus to kill white people?

Or Mormons consumed crack cocaine (you've already noted the smoking)?  Or Mormons make real estate arrangements with convicted felons?

This one was too easy.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ag on December 30, 2010, 09:42:50 PM
Neither of you understand that if someone isn't willing to vote for Obama now, he or she will never be willing to vote for Obama, especially in the matchups with Palin.


This is a nicely definite statement, but it would also be nice to figure out what it is based on (rather than the ushakeable faith in it being correct ::))) .


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on December 30, 2010, 10:37:03 PM
Neither of you understand that if someone isn't willing to vote for Obama now, he or she will never be willing to vote for Obama, especially in the matchups with Palin.

What Obama is getting against her now is all that he's going to get.  He has no room to grow in a matchup against her.  All of his base is already voting for him and if a swing voter isn't voting for Obama now, he or she will be voting for her.



I'm a registered Republican. I will not vote for Palin, under any circumstances. I'm not the only one. I would sooner vote 3rd party or for Obi-Wan Kenobi than vote for Palin or Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on December 31, 2010, 01:04:21 AM
Neither of you understand that if someone isn't willing to vote for Obama now, he or she will never be willing to vote for Obama, especially in the matchups with Palin.

What Obama is getting against her now is all that he's going to get.  He has no room to grow in a matchup against her.  All of his base is already voting for him and if a swing voter isn't voting for Obama now, he or she will be voting for her.



So the economy doesn't matter at all? You don't think that if unemployment magically falls to 7.5%, that more people might change their minds? Or Democrats who are discouraged to vote currently due to the economy, might actually turn out?

Obama's numbers against Palin amongst the more educated and prosperous population may be maxed out, but I don't think that is the case with the population at large.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 31, 2010, 09:37:47 AM
Obama slightly up during the year at Rasmussen:

31-12-2010: 48% Approve, 51% Disapprove (25% Strongly Approve, 37% Strongly Disapprove)

31-12-2009: 46% Approve, 53% Disapprove (24% Strongly Approve, 42% Strongly Disapprove)

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 31, 2010, 12:34:08 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, +2.

Disapprove 51%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, -1.

(I think I'll wait to mid week to sort this one out.)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 31, 2010, 12:41:26 PM
Obama slightly up during the year at Rasmussen:

31-12-2010: 48% Approve, 51% Disapprove (25% Strongly Approve, 37% Strongly Disapprove)

31-12-2009: 46% Approve, 53% Disapprove (24% Strongly Approve, 42% Strongly Disapprove)

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

Actually, Obama's numbers dropped over the summer and hit the low point (looking at the range over the month).  He improved a bit after that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on December 31, 2010, 01:03:17 PM
Obama slightly up during the year at Rasmussen:

31-12-2010: 48% Approve, 51% Disapprove (25% Strongly Approve, 37% Strongly Disapprove)

31-12-2009: 46% Approve, 53% Disapprove (24% Strongly Approve, 42% Strongly Disapprove)

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

If you take out the inauguration bounce, it'd be more impressive.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 02, 2011, 03:35:44 AM
Magellan(R) in Nebraska: 36/60 favorable/unfavorable

That comes out to a 47/49 favorable/unfavorable rating nationally.

http://www.magellanstrategies.com/web/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Magellan-Nebraska-2012-US-Senate-Survey-Release-122210.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 02, 2011, 11:57:02 AM
Magellan(R) in Nebraska: 36/60 favorable/unfavorable

That comes out to a 47/49 favorable/unfavorable rating nationally.

http://www.magellanstrategies.com/web/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Magellan-Nebraska-2012-US-Senate-Survey-Release-122210.pdf

Because Magellan Strategies has ties predominately to the GOP and its candidate, its poll will not be shown on my map.

Don't worry. Within a couple of months there will be plenty of polls on the popularity of incoming Governors and Senators. Greatest attention will be paid to those who have taken over in states that have recently voted largely on the blue side of purple. Honeymoons will likely be short, especially if those politicians seem to better fit the political norms of Oklahoma or Alabama instead of Pennsylvania or Wisconsin.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 02, 2011, 12:03:14 PM
Magellan(R) in Nebraska: 36/60 favorable/unfavorable

That comes out to a 47/49 favorable/unfavorable rating nationally.

http://www.magellanstrategies.com/web/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Magellan-Nebraska-2012-US-Senate-Survey-Release-122210.pdf

Because Magellan Strategies has ties predominately to the GOP and its candidate, its poll will not be shown on my map.

Don't worry. Within a couple of months there will be plenty of polls on the popularity of incoming Governors and Senators. Greatest attention will be paid to those who have taken over in states that have recently voted largely on the blue side of purple. Honeymoons will likely be short, especially if those politicians seem to better fit the political norms of Oklahoma or Alabama instead of Pennsylvania or Wisconsin.

It should mostly not be shown on your map because it's FAVORABLES, not APPROVAL ratings.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 02, 2011, 12:38:27 PM
But yet PPP polls are fine? They both should be included.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 02, 2011, 01:39:42 PM
Magellan(R) in Nebraska: 36/60 favorable/unfavorable

That comes out to a 47/49 favorable/unfavorable rating nationally.

http://www.magellanstrategies.com/web/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Magellan-Nebraska-2012-US-Senate-Survey-Release-122210.pdf

Because Magellan Strategies has ties predominately to the GOP and its candidate, its poll will not be shown on my map.

Don't worry. Within a couple of months there will be plenty of polls on the popularity of incoming Governors and Senators. Greatest attention will be paid to those who have taken over in states that have recently voted largely on the blue side of purple. Honeymoons will likely be short, especially if those politicians seem to better fit the political norms of Oklahoma or Alabama instead of Pennsylvania or Wisconsin.

It should mostly not be shown on your map because it's FAVORABLES, not APPROVAL ratings.

That, too.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 02, 2011, 01:41:56 PM
But yet PPP polls are fine? They both should be included.

PPP always measures approvals, not favorables.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on January 02, 2011, 04:13:20 PM
But yet PPP polls are fine? They both should be included.

PPP always measures approvals, not favorables.

I know. But Pbrower was making a partisan decision and I was just pointing that out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 02, 2011, 05:40:38 PM
Unless you think his approval rating in Nebraska is higher than his favorable rating, the distinction you are drawing is irrelevant.  In all likelihood, Pbrower should include Obama's nebraska rating in his map because to do so would actually be favorable to obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 02, 2011, 08:14:58 PM
Unless you think his approval rating in Nebraska is higher than his favorable rating, the distinction you are drawing is irrelevant.  In all likelihood, Pbrower should include Obama's nebraska rating in his map because to do so would actually be favorable to obama.

I took much heat for including "favorability" polls, and I am not going to take any more heat for doing so. Besides, Nebraska has three Congressional districts that vote very differently.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook on January 03, 2011, 02:12:43 AM
How does his end of the year approvals compare to:

Bush 2002
Clinton 1994
Bush 1990
Reagan 1982
Carter 1978

and any further back if possible?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 03, 2011, 02:33:04 AM
How does his end of the year approvals compare to:

Bush 2002
Clinton 1994
Bush 1990
Reagan 1982
Carter 1978

and any further back if possible?

Bush was at 61%
Clinton was at 40%
Bush Sen. was at 58%
Reagan was at 37%
Carter was at 50%
Ford: no polling data for this timespan
Nixon was at 56%
Johnson was at 59%
Kennedy was at 74%
Eisenhower at 70%
Truman was at 48%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 03, 2011, 07:20:38 AM
I'll post the Rasmussen numbers early this evening, but I'll be out this morning.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on January 03, 2011, 10:42:46 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, -1.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, +2.

Don't kill me. I was just trying to help. ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 03, 2011, 01:58:30 PM
Gallup is 50% Approve, 42% Disapprove today.

Btw, Rasmussen went to a more heavily GOP sample today for their tracking poll:

37.0% GOP
33.7% DEM
29.3% OTH

The 3-month benchmark for the tracking survey now is:

35.5% GOP
34.9% DEM
29.6% OTH

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/partisan_trends


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 03, 2011, 02:02:25 PM
I see Tender is pimping Gallup now that Obama is back up (he'll fall back down in around two days in Gallup) and now is casting asperions on Rasmussen after praising his national approval rating polling.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 03, 2011, 02:03:59 PM
I see Tender is pimping Gallup now that Obama is back up (he'll fall back down in around two days in Gallup) and now is casting asperions on Rasmussen after praising his national approval rating polling.

I just observe what's going on ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on January 03, 2011, 02:14:42 PM
Obama Approval rating December 2010 (Gallup)

46% Approve

46% Disapprove

Trends for comparison

Carter 51/34 (December 1978)

Reagan 41/50 (December 1982)

Bush I 61/32 (December 1990)

Clinton 41/52 (December 1994)

Bush II 63/32 (December 2002)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on January 03, 2011, 02:17:31 PM
Obama Average Approval Rating for all of 2010 (Gallup)

47% Approve

46% Disapprove

Trends for comparison

Carter 46/37 (1978)

Reagan 42/46 (1982)

Bush I 66/23 (1990)

Clinton 46/45 (1994)

Bush II 72/22 (2002)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on January 03, 2011, 02:34:06 PM
Obama Average Approval Rating for all of 2010 (Gallup)

47% Approve

46% Disapprove

Trends for comparison

Carter 46/37 (1978)

Reagan 42/46 (1982)

Bush I 66/23 (1990)

Clinton 46/45 (1994)

Bush II 72/22 (2002)

Interesting how close Obama is to Clinton's approvals at the time.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on January 03, 2011, 02:57:29 PM
Obama Approval rating December 2010 (Gallup)

46% Approve

46% Disapprove

Trends for comparison

Carter 51/34 (December 1978)

Reagan 41/50 (December 1982)

Bush I 61/32 (December 1990)

Clinton 41/52 (December 1994)

Bush II 63/32 (December 2002)


Two years before...
The 2 least approved ended up easily re-elected. 
The 3 most approved either lost big or won narrowly with <50% approval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 03, 2011, 03:06:42 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, -1.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, +2.

Don't kill me. I was just trying to help. ;)

Thanks, it helps when you keep the format the same; you made it easier for the next one.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 03, 2011, 05:50:57 PM
Obama Approval rating December 2010 (Gallup)

46% Approve

46% Disapprove

Trends for comparison

Carter 51/34 (December 1978)

Reagan 41/50 (December 1982)

Bush I 61/32 (December 1990)

Clinton 41/52 (December 1994)

Bush II 63/32 (December 2002)


Two years before...
The 2 least approved ended up easily re-elected. 
The 3 most approved either lost big or won narrowly with <50% approval.

Explanation: Reagan, Clinton, and Obama took their chances early and could explain (or let others explain) what they were going to do in a second term. If there should be frustration with things going too fast too early and too slow when the Opposition took over all or part of Congress, then such works for the President.

Carter was one of the least-effective Presidents ever, got into trouble, and had to make fresh promises of what he would do if he were re-elected.  Why would people trust hum after a weak first term that culminated in the Iranian Hostage Crisis? The elder Bush rode the laurels of the fall of Communism and had no idea of what to do in a second term.  They younger Bush was a disaster worse than either Carter or his father, but he got away with a couple of wars that spurred patriotic support for the President but had yet to go sour.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 04, 2011, 10:18:56 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 53%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +2.

I would not read too much into the Strongly Disapprove increase; it looks like a sample issue.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on January 04, 2011, 07:58:16 PM
Obama  in surveyUSA

CA:51/41
KS:31/66
OH:40/57
OR:40/57
WA:49/47



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Liberalrocks on January 04, 2011, 11:37:26 PM
Obama  in surveyUSA

CA:51/41
KS:31/66
OH:40/57
OR:40/57
WA:49/47



Those are approvals but when you see his head to head match up polls against a pitifully weak republican fireld he does much better. He still is competitive in VA and NC.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 04, 2011, 11:52:43 PM
Uh no.  He's doing better against the Republican according to Elaine Marshall's pimp.  SurveyUSA will almost certainly show him doing much worse.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on January 05, 2011, 12:15:38 AM
Can someobdy please put up some maps WITH the surveyUSA polls?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 05, 2011, 12:20:03 AM
Can someobdy please put up some maps WITH the surveyUSA polls?

Sorry -- I don't know how to paste an image derived from a coloring book, which is about how I see SurveyUSA polls.

Who commissioned them? 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 05, 2011, 09:47:30 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, -1.

Disapprove 54%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: WillK on January 05, 2011, 01:46:55 PM
Do any of these polls try to parse the 'Disapprove' into those who are likely to vote Republican from those (like me) who are not satisfied with what he has done but would vote form him over any likely Republican choice?


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, -1.

Disapprove 54%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on January 05, 2011, 02:12:37 PM
A poll is a poll, jeez.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 06, 2011, 01:39:33 AM
PA (Susquehanna Polling and Research/Pittsburgh Tribune-Review):

44% Approve
50% Disapprove

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/regional/s_716843.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 06, 2011, 01:45:27 AM
MI (Glengariff Group/Detroit News/WDIV Local 4):

46% Approve
50% Disapprove

45% Favorable
47% Unfavorable

Of particular note, Independent voters approve of the job President Obama is doing by a margin of 49.6%-43.4%.

Only 30.2% of Michigan voters say they would vote to re-elect Barack Obama while 47.5% said they would vote for someone new.

21.7% are undecided. 88.7% of Republicans would vote for someone new. 74.0% of Democrats would vote to re-elect the President.

But the Independent vote is split on re-election with 24.6% voting to re-elect, 41.0% voting for someone new, and 33.6% of Independent voters undecided about President Obama’s re-election.

Additionally, women have a 48%-42% favorable impression of President Obama as compared to men who have a 42.7%-52.0% negative impression of President Obama.

...

The Glengariff Group, Inc. conducted a 600 sample survey of registered Michigan voters. The live operator telephone survey was conducted on January 2-4, 2011 and has a margin of error of +/-4.0% with a 95% level of confidence. The survey was commissioned by the Detroit News and WDIV Local 4.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/download/2011/0105/26375457.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 06, 2011, 02:48:40 AM
So it seems that a lot of Democrats in that poll have an unfavorable opinion of Obama if he's a net negative in terms of favorability even though he's likely a net positive in terms of favorability among indies considering he's a net positive for approval among indies.

Conservative Democrats seem to be turning hard against him in Michigan if that poll is to believed.

A 45/47 favorable/unfavorable rating in Michigan gets him to 41/53 favorable/unfavorable nationally.

A 44/50 approval/disapproval in PA gets him to 42/53 approval/disapproval nationally.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 06, 2011, 02:59:44 AM
Hmm, actually looking at the crosstabs, it seems that there has been an explosion of Republicans in MI.  It's now 32/26 R/D.  Indies are now 40% of the sample.  People must be fleeing the Democrat Party in Michigan.

Obama is a 9/87 among Republicans, a 88/7 among Democrats, and 47/41 among indies. 

Remember these are his favorable ratings, so you cannot rely on the talking point that people like Obama personally. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 06, 2011, 01:25:00 PM
PA (PPP):

46% Approve
49% Disapprove

PPP surveyed 547 Pennsylvania voters from January 3rd to 5th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-4.2%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_PA_0106503.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 06, 2011, 02:54:44 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 53%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 06, 2011, 02:59:30 PM
First 2001 polls -- letter A, for Pennsylvania. Obama is down 46-49 in approval, but he beats everyone. One of those that he beats decisively is Rick Sanctimonious, which demonstrates that even if Santorum could win the Republican primary in Pennsylvania, he would be clobbered. The better that people know him, the less they like him.  The rare Glengariff poll is hard to place, but it at least is commissioned by  non-fringe media. Considering how the states voted for statewide offices and for someone who will become slang in Pennsylvania for "six-year-mistake"

(examples: that relief pitcher that the Pirates signed to a six-year contract and blew out his arm is a real Pat Toomey", or "the six-year lease on the 2012 Lemonmobile is a Pat Toomey"). Maybe that happens when the word gets out -- vote straight GOP or God will be angry with you on Judgment Day!

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/01/obama-leads-all-comers-in-pennsylvania.html


Quote

There are 2 clear tiers of electability among the current Republican front runners in Pennsylvania. Mike Huckabee, trailing 47-44 and Mitt Romney, trailing 46-42 are both within the margin of error against Obama and appear they would make the state much more competitive than John McCain did when he lost by 10 points in 2008.

The other two leading Republicans would see about the same fate as McCain in the case of Newt Gingrich- who trails 50-40- or a much worse one in the case of Sarah Palin who trails Obama 51-36. The last time a Republican candidate lost Pennsylvania by a margin that large was Barry Goldwater in 1964. We also tested Rick Santorum as a home state candidate and his performance falls somewhere in the middle, trailing 48-40.

Only Huckabee among the Republicans is viewed favorably by a plurality of voters in the state, with 39% seeing him favorably and 36% unfavorably. The reason he trails Obama anyway is that while 21% of Democrats like him personally only 14% are actually willing to vote for him. The rest of the Republican candidates run from slightly unpopular (Mitt Romney at a 34/38 favorability and Rick Santorum at a 38/44) to extremely unpopular (Newt Gingrich at a 29/53 and Sarah Palin at a 34/59).


neither is really a surprise. There might be one soon for Nevada, which would say much about the Inner West. Hint: John Ensign is in deep trouble politically if the legal system doesn't get him first .

 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  69
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   64
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 48
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  71
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  18
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
6



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  69
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   60
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%7
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  23
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  67
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  0
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
6





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 07, 2011, 10:15:34 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, +2.

Disapprove 50%, -3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, -3.

Possibly an anti-Obama sample dropping; we should know Tuesday or Wednesday.

(Does somebody want to cover this for me over the weekend?)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 07, 2011, 02:28:38 PM
Tender,

I'm surprised you haven't "observed" Obama is now a net negative again in Gallup days after you "observed" Obama at 50% in Gallup.

It was not only a short stay at 50%...it was a short stay as a net positive in approval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 07, 2011, 05:35:34 PM
PPP, Nevada

Approve/Disapprove: 50/46

Obama/Huckabee: 51/41
Obama/Palin: 52/39
Obama/Romney: 47/46
Obama/Gingrich: 51/40

He absolutely crushes anyone but Romney there.



 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  69
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   65
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 48
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  71
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  18
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
6



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  69
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  65
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%48
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  23
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  67
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  0
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
6

It looks much like November 2008 again, which bodes ill for the GOP even now.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on January 07, 2011, 06:25:43 PM
That's quite a sober picture for the GOP considering that we have just passed midterms.  Barring a double-dip recession, a massive scandal, or major foreign policy debacle (North Korea?) I can't see Obama losing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 07, 2011, 09:57:13 PM
That's quite a sober picture for the GOP considering that we have just passed midterms.  Barring a double-dip recession, a massive scandal, or major foreign policy debacle (North Korea?) I can't see Obama losing.

We have yet to see any polls for any Southern states except those three that aren't particularly Southern. Rustbowl states may be approaching the mean, but they are doing so from the high side. Some others must be approaching from the low side. Texas? That would be rich.  The only imaginable swing states not yet polled are Colorado, Indiana, Iowa, and New Hampshire.


North Korea? He can give North Korea to the People's Republic of China as a puppet state if necessary to save his political situation.  The People's Liberation Army would be welcomed -- as liberators, which is an unlikely thing to say until you realize that the country in question is North Korea. Another scenario -- a unified but neutral, nuke-free, Republic of Korea that is democratic with a free-market system and more open to commercial dealings with China -- might satisfy just about everyone except a few people who eminently deserve either to be hanged or shut away in a mental institution.

Jon Huntsman was as wise a choice as he could make for Ambassador to China.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 07, 2011, 10:00:47 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, +2.

Disapprove 50%, -3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, -3.

Possibly an anti-Obama sample dropping; we should know Tuesday or Wednesday.

(Does somebody want to cover this for me over the weekend?)

Sure. Have snowstorm, won't travel.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 08, 2011, 12:51:21 AM
Tender,

I'm surprised you haven't "observed" Obama is now a net negative again in Gallup days after you "observed" Obama at 50% in Gallup.

It was not only a short stay at 50%...it was a short stay as a net positive in approval.

I wasn't online yesterday (only in the early morning). But yeah, there's a big anti-Obama sample moving through. We should see in the next days if this holds.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on January 08, 2011, 10:26:31 AM
That's quite a sober picture for the GOP considering that we have just passed midterms.  Barring a double-dip recession, a massive scandal, or major foreign policy debacle (North Korea?) I can't see Obama losing.

We have yet to see any polls for any Southern states except those three that aren't particularly Southern. Rustbowl states may be approaching the mean, but they are doing so from the high side. Some others must be approaching from the low side. Texas? That would be rich.  The only imaginable swing states not yet polled are Colorado, Indiana, Iowa, and New Hampshire.


North Korea? He can give North Korea to the People's Republic of China as a puppet state if necessary to save his political situation.  The People's Liberation Army would be welcomed -- as liberators, which is an unlikely thing to say until you realize that the country in question is North Korea. Another scenario -- a unified but neutral, nuke-free, Republic of Korea that is democratic with a free-market system and more open to commercial dealings with China -- might satisfy just about everyone except a few people who eminently deserve either to be hanged or shut away in a mental institution.

Jon Huntsman was as wise a choice as he could make for Ambassador to China.   
He could do that, then again he might not.  I personally think that North Korea will fall apart on its own and that China will be the first to invade to stop the flow of refugees through its northern border, after which we will jump in at the head of a UN coalition to restore order.  Then the North and South will be slowly integrated after a high level of rebuilding in the North.  Now, we can't predict exactly how all of this will play out when it comes to the political arena. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 08, 2011, 11:31:36 AM
As promised:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows that 27% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Thirty-eight percent (38%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -11 (see trends).

Overall, 48% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president's performance. Fifty percent (50%) disapprove.

After reaching its highest level in two years on Friday, consumer and investor confidence both fell on Saturday following release of the latest numbers on unemployment and job creation. It often takes up to a full week before the impact of a jobs report on confidence is fully measured.

Expectations for the new Congress are low. Only 17% expect significant spending cuts   over the next two years and just 12% think there will be serious deficit reduction. Half (49%) expect tax hikes.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 09, 2011, 09:11:47 AM
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 27% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Thirty-nine percent (39%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -12.

Overall, 48% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president's performance. Fifty percent (50%) disapprove.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 10, 2011, 10:33:31 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 51%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, u.

It looks like Obama's numbers have improved.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on January 10, 2011, 03:40:14 PM
Yeah, there definitely seems to be a positive trend in Obama's numbers - it'd be much more obvious on the RCP average if not for the Fox poll from December skewing things...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on January 11, 2011, 07:18:33 AM
I wouldn't be too shocked if they go up even higher for a little while... you know, for obvious reasons.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 11, 2011, 10:13:29 AM
PPP, New Jersey:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NJ_01111023.pdf


Quote
Obama soundly beats Christie and all other Republicans in NJ

Raleigh, N.C. – New Jersey Governor Chris Christie has been getting a lot of press for
his no-nonsense style in taking on political opponents and his state’s budget woes since
taking office almost a year ago. But the Democratic lean of the Garden State means his
admirers are probably more numerous outside its borders than within. In this climate, his
48-45 job approval margin puts him above the median of American governors, but he is
still not as popular as President Obama in the state. New Jersey voters give him a 51-43
approval rating, good for fourth of the 37 states in which PPP has measured opinion on
his job performance in the last year.

Christie has also been getting a lot of ink as a potential contender for president in the
GOP’s wide-open race to challenge the president for re-election next year, despite his
own denials of interest. If he were to win the nomination, however, he would do no
better in his own state than would three of the frontrunners PPP typically tests against
Obama across the country.

The president would easily retain New Jersey’s 14 electoral votes against any comer,
defeating Christie, 55-38; Newt Gingrich, 54-37; Mike Huckabee, 53-36; Mitt Romney,
52-37; and Sarah Palin by a whopping 59-29. Except the latter, these are all roughly
similar results as Obama’s 57-42 win over Palin’s ticket-mate John McCain in 2008.
Palin’s 27-65 favorability margin makes her by far the least popular of the Republicans,
but Gingrich (29-49), Hucakbee (32-41), and Romney (35-41) are all well under water.
The major reason for Obama’s dominance, as in most Northeastern and Western states, is
that the overwhelming plurality (43%) of the state’s voters are Democrats, with only 29%
self-identifying with the GOP and a pretty high 27% claiming to be independents.
Obama only ties or narrowly leads with independents against everyone but Palin (who
trails 32-53). But he does a better job of locking up his own base than they do, and takes
one-and-a-half to almost four times as many Republicans as they do Democrats.
“Chris Christie’s approval numbers are good for a Republican in a dark blue state,” said
Dean Debnam, President of Public Policy Polling. “But that doesn’t mean folks are ready
to put him in the White House.”

PPP surveyed 520 New Jersey voters from January 6th to 9th. The survey’s margin of
error is +/-4.3%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may
introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.



 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  69
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   65
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 48
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  71
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  18
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
6



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  69
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  65
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%48
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  23
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  67
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  0
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  
6

PPP Has the choices of Colorado, Connecticut, Nebraska, Rhode Island,  Texas, and West Virginia for its next polls. WV leads CT, followed by TX. PPP was contemplating Arizona, but events make that choice inapt for now.

So far I have no poll for any state in which John McCain won by a huge margin except Kansas, and I don't trust either poll for Kansas let alone believe that anyone can predict anything based on how Kansas polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 11, 2011, 03:14:53 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 49%, +1.

Disapprove 51%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, -1.

I'd say improvement.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 11, 2011, 03:27:55 PM
Wyoming (PPP):

Obama: 29% Approve, 66% Disapprove
Freudenthal: 71% Approve, 18% Disapprove
Barasso: 69% Approve, 25% Disapprove
Enzo: 63% Approve, 24% Disapprove

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_WY_0110.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 11, 2011, 08:07:19 PM
No way does President Obama win Wyoming. So much for the obvious:


 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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)

District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  69
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   65
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 48
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  71
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  18
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   9




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  69
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  65
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%48
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  23
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  67
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  0
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  9 


PPP Has the choices of Colorado, Connecticut, Nebraska, Rhode Island,  Texas, and West Virginia for its next polls. WV leads CT, followed by TX. PPP was contemplating Arizona, but events make that choice inapt for now.

So far I have no poll for any state in which John McCain won by a huge margin except Kansas and Wyoming, and I don't trust either poll for Kansas let alone believe that anyone can predict anything based on how Kansas or Wyoming polls.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 12, 2011, 02:19:20 AM
A few updates:

AP-GfK National Poll:

53% Approve, 46% Disapprove
59% Favorable, 40% Unfavorable

http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com/pdf/AP-GfK%20Poll%20%20011111.pdf

DailyKos/PPP National Poll:

45% Approve, 51% Disapprove
46% Favorable, 49% Unfavorable

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/1/6

Virginia (CNU/Times-Dispatch Poll):

44.2% Approve
48.5% Disapprove

http://static.mgnetwork.com/rtd/flash/poll_dec_2010/general/PollGeneral.html

PS: This VA poll is already a month old ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 12, 2011, 02:22:15 AM
I guess his approval will rise in the next month, because Obama can present himself now as a man of the middle in this heated partisan sea of madness when he speaks today in Arizona and later at the SOTU.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 12, 2011, 05:53:53 AM
I find it odd that PPP finds Obama's approval lower than Rasmussen (cue Poundingmydick ranting about "Marshall's pimp").

Also, they must be the first pollster to find Bhoener's approvals in positive territory and a majority of Americans supporting the repeal of HCR. Might be a heavily Republican sample but the guys have earned their stripes and deserve our benefit of the doubt.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on January 12, 2011, 07:28:23 AM
I find it odd that PPP finds Obama's approval lower than Rasmussen (cue Poundingmydick ranting about "Marshall's pimp").

Also, they must be the first pollster to find Bhoener's approvals in positive territory and a majority of Americans supporting the repeal of HCR. Might be a heavily Republican sample but the guys have earned their stripes and deserve our benefit of the doubt.   

PPP is now John Boehner's pimp, obviously.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 12, 2011, 09:32:55 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 48%, -1.

Disapprove 51%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 12, 2011, 01:45:45 PM
Ipsos/Reuters:

50% Approve
47% Disapprove

Of the 1,021 people surveyed, 780 were registered voters, including 451 Democrats, 388 Republicans and 182 independents. It had a margin of error of 3.1 percentage points for all those surveyed, 3.5 points for registered voters, 4.4 points for Democrats, 4.9 points for Republicans and 7.4 points for independents. Interviews were conducted of people on both landlines and cell phones.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110112/pl_nm/us_usa_poll_5


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 12, 2011, 06:19:37 PM
Well, I have been speculating that Iowa might be shaky for President Obama in 2012.

Quote
Iowa Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 50%
Disapprove...................................................... 43%
Not sure .......................................................... 7%

Q6 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 38%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mike
Huckabee, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 47%
Mike Huckabee ............................................... 43%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 53%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 37%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 47%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 41%
Undecided....................................................... 12%


Maybe not, now.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_IA_0112513.pdf

It looks as if Indiana is the only reasonably-certain pick-up for the Republicans from 2008, for now, and might be until someone polls Indiana. So far a near-replay of 2008 looks more likely than anything else.



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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  69
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   71
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 48
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  71
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  18
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   9




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  69
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   71
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%48
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  23
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  67
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  0
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  9  


PPP Has the choices of Colorado, Connecticut, Nebraska, Rhode Island,  Texas, and West Virginia for its next polls. WV leads CT, followed by TX. PPP was contemplating Arizona, but events make that choice inapt for now.

So far I have no poll for any state in which John McCain won by a huge margin except Kansas and Wyoming, and I don't trust either poll for Kansas let alone believe that anyone can predict anything based on how Kansas or Wyoming polls.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on January 12, 2011, 06:21:35 PM
How many nationals have President Obama in positive territory?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: albaleman on January 12, 2011, 08:33:13 PM
It's odd that Obama is more popular in NC than VA.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 12, 2011, 08:52:20 PM
Different pollsters. Between two PPP polls, Virginia showed a stronger support for Obama than did North Carolina. A subsequent and different poll showed a lower approval rating for Obama in Virginia. Unless I have cause to believe that the poll is suspect (for example, that it has an unusual percentage of undecided voters, the poll has odd crosstabs, the pollster usually polls for one Party or another, or the poll is commissioned by or for an organization likely to have a bias) I accept it.  If the polls are close in time I usually average them.

I would never accept a poll on behalf of a trade association, labor union, political party,  ethnic association, or fringe media unit. I rejected a poll for Pennsylvania commissioned by a Scaife newspaper. Sometimes I see a strange poll that appears in no other state. 

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 12, 2011, 10:07:47 PM
I thought rasmussen was a total joke to you guys.  You need to make up your mind when Rasmussen releases his presidential election polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 12, 2011, 10:31:04 PM
PPP's national polling is quite inconsistent with his state by state polling.

PPP has Obama just as popular in North Carolina and Florida as he has him nationally.  Keep in mind too that his national sample is only 70% white.

I'll admit that it's weird.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on January 13, 2011, 12:17:30 AM
I thought rasmussen was a total joke to you guys.  You need to make up your mind when Rasmussen releases his presidential election polls.

Rasmussen's national poll in 2008 was pretty spot on, if the exit polls are to be believed. It was his state polls were terrible. I don't know that that allows us to trust his national polls but not his state ones, but that's what I'll do, I guess.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 13, 2011, 03:11:19 AM
I thought rasmussen was a total joke to you guys.  You need to make up your mind when Rasmussen releases his presidential election polls.

They are nearly identical to the other polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 13, 2011, 04:17:57 AM
My biggest beef with PPP is that its national polling is inconsistent with its state polling.  How is his approval rating in North Carolina and Florida better than his approval rating nationally?

I actually do not have much to complain about regarding PPP's national poll.  Yes, there seem to be too few whites polled but then again, 51% of the sample is comprised of moderates.

I agree with you that Ras has declined with his state polling.  But given that a lot of people here seem to believe his national polling is stellar, I hope you are willing to stay consistent if Ras shows Palin within 3-6 points as he has in the past.  I imagine most of the people here will dismiss Ras as a partisan hack.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on January 13, 2011, 09:24:29 AM
My biggest beef with PPP is that its national polling is inconsistent with its state polling.  How is his approval rating in North Carolina and Florida better than his approval rating nationally?

I actually do not have much to complain about regarding PPP's national poll.  Yes, there seem to be too few whites polled but then again, 51% of the sample is comprised of moderates.

I agree with you that Ras has declined with his state polling.  But given that a lot of people here seem to believe his national polling is stellar, I hope you are willing to stay consistent if Ras shows Palin within 3-6 points as he has in the past.  I imagine most of the people here will dismiss Ras as a partisan hack.

Dude, Palin will not win... take it from other Republicans, she is not good presidential material.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 13, 2011, 09:40:30 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 49%, +1.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 36%, -1.

The Strongly Disapprove numbers are the lowest since 10/10/09.

(Could someone else take this for next several days, if possible using the same format.)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 13, 2011, 01:51:30 PM
I don't think the world is going to end if we don't get the Rasmussen tracking poll for one day.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 13, 2011, 03:04:03 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 49%, +1.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 36%, -1.

The Strongly Disapprove numbers are the lowest since 10/10/09.

(Could someone else take this for next several days, if possible using the same format.)

Could be the mass murder in Tucson.  Statistical, if tragic noise.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on January 13, 2011, 03:29:18 PM
Mini rally effect, anyone? (Sure, he's been ticking upwards - slightly - for a month or so now, but this is the first time he's in positive territory on RCP Avg).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 13, 2011, 04:27:49 PM
In view of the recent decision by Kay Bailey Hutchinson to retire from national politics, 

PPP will be polling...

TEXAS

Texas gave John McCain 20% of the electoral votes that he got. If President Obama has been slipping in the Rust Belt due to economic distress but has been holding his own in nationwide approvals, then Texas is where the nationwide compensation is most likely to be.

An Obama win of Texas implies a landslide victory in itself.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on January 13, 2011, 07:46:02 PM
Barack Obama seems to have recieved a mini-bump lately, perhaps part of the bounce may be because of his speech last night?

Obama's not winning Texas if he trails Palin by fifteen points.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 13, 2011, 07:49:54 PM
Barack Obama seems to have recieved a mini-bump lately, perhaps part of the bounce may be because of his speech last night?

Obama's not winning Texas if he trails Palin by fifteen points.

I suspect that he would beat Sarah Palin in Texas. Such says more about Sarah Palin than about President Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on January 13, 2011, 08:28:18 PM
pbrower, get your head out of the sand and breathe some fresh air. Go outside, your prediction of Obama winning Texas is far fetched.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Psychic Octopus on January 13, 2011, 08:44:13 PM
Barack Obama seems to have recieved a mini-bump lately, perhaps part of the bounce may be because of his speech last night?

Obama's not winning Texas if he trails Palin by fifteen points.

I suspect that he would beat Sarah Palin in Texas. Such says more about Sarah Palin than about President Obama.

The latest poll said 51 Palin-36 Obama in Texas. We are two years out, but I wouldn't hold my breath.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on January 13, 2011, 08:57:11 PM
Barack Obama seems to have recieved a mini-bump lately, perhaps part of the bounce may be because of his speech last night?

Obama's not winning Texas if he trails Palin by fifteen points.

I suspect that he would beat Sarah Palin in Texas. Such says more about Sarah Palin than about President Obama.

No Democrat would beat any Republican in Texas in this current environment. You're losing credibility with every post you make. Please, understand the electorate and the political system. [The comparison here would be: Obama will lose Washington DC.....erm, simply not gonna happen, no matter how badly Obama does]


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 13, 2011, 09:37:39 PM
But there will be a poll of Texas by PPP within a few days. The last poll of Texas came before the 2010 election. I'm not going to say that Barack Obama would win against Huckabee, Romney, or Gingrich. But Palin? She is slipping fast. If a poll shows that she can't win Texas in a head-to-head matchup with President Obama, then people funding her campaign might wisely direct their money elsewhere. Such may be more important to Campaign 2012 than whether President Obama has 37% approval or 47% approval in the state. 

I posited that Iowa might be shaky for President Obama, which could be a bigger disaster for him than that he would lose 65-35 in Texas. A recent PPP poll showed the approval for the President at 50%, which is very good for a state that went for Dubya once and before there is any campaign underway.

Texas is getting population growth, and as a result a growth in its electorate. The Hispanic vote is getting larger -- fast -- and the GOP has little to offer as a direct benefit to the vast majority of Hispanics. Add to that, Texas is getting people who have fled the Rust Belt; those people don't suddenly start voting as if they were born  in the Panhandle of Texas. They bring their political culture with them.   

Look -- I'm going to post the results however they come. I just find it surprising that if the President's approval is around 50% and that for some of the states that voted for the President by 10% margins show are weaker, then the President is gaining somewhere else. The most obvious state for that to happen in is Texas, by far the most populous state that President Obama lost.

PPP has shown few polls in states that President Obama lost by monster margins. One of those is Wyoming, arguably the state most likely to maintain a record of having never voted for a Democrat for President since 1964. (Others are Alaska, Idaho, Kansas, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, and South Dakota). 



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on January 13, 2011, 09:39:14 PM
I can't believe anything the stuff this guy says anymore man...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on January 13, 2011, 10:04:22 PM
I can't believe anything the stuff this guy says anymore man...
His post is logical.  Do you have any actual criticism or are you just going to put your hands over your ears and shout "Lalalalala I can't hear you!" whenever pBrower posts?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on January 13, 2011, 10:16:38 PM
I agree with pbrower, the Texas race may be closer than most people suspect, if only when Sarah Palin is involved.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 13, 2011, 11:25:17 PM
Dude, other people are citing a poll from one of the most credible pollsters in Texas showing her up 15 on Obama in Texas.  That's what people who are not even Palin supporters are reacting to Pbrower about.

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-politics/2010-texas-governors-race/perry-leads-white-in-trade-group-poll/

She's running ahead of Rick Perry.  Think about that and you'll see why some are lashing out at Pbrower.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 13, 2011, 11:47:55 PM
I can't believe anything the stuff this guy says anymore man...

I can be proved very wrong. I have a hypothesis easily debunked. Of course it is possible that Texas has changed little in its politics since 2008.  But I can also see how it can change.


 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on January 14, 2011, 12:12:53 AM
Well, here's PPP's last poll of Texas to give you a reference (taken Early November, right after elections)

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/11/some-good-signs-for-palin.html

For those to lazy to look it up, they had Obama down 35-59 against a Generic Republican (and even losing Texas Hispanics by 2 points to a GR).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 14, 2011, 12:45:51 AM
Obama is now much more popular than he was in early November, Palin is weaker.

That will have an impact in the TX numbers, but even TX is so nuts to elect Sarah Palin ...

I think Obama trails Palin by 5-10 this time.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 14, 2011, 01:56:48 AM
Tender,

He's not if you believe PPP's/Daily Kos most recent national poll


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on January 14, 2011, 07:00:22 AM

I can't tell if you're somehow making a grossly incoherent reference to the Tucson shootings or aptly describing this thread.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 14, 2011, 09:53:33 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)

Approve 47%, -2.

Disapprove 51%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, U.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, +2.

So much for the "noise" from the Giffords assassination attempt.

Actually, Obama's numbers had been improving slightly since 1/7/11 (but not dramatic).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on January 14, 2011, 04:13:21 PM

I can't tell if you're somehow making a grossly incoherent reference to the Tucson shootings or aptly describing this thread.

Pbrower posts here under protection of the American with Disabilities Act.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on January 14, 2011, 04:40:17 PM
Why so much hate?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 14, 2011, 04:45:24 PM

I can't tell if you're somehow making a grossly incoherent reference to the Tucson shootings or aptly describing this thread.

Pbrower posts here under protection of the American with Disabilities Act.

Hey, as someone covered by the Americans with Disabilities Act, I strongly resent any inference Pbrower is. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on January 15, 2011, 10:47:59 AM
+3.3% on RCP avg. The economy is still in shatters, unemployment is still above 9%....this HAS to be a mini rally effect from last weekend - and his resulting speech. There's really no other way to explain this.

I expect his numbers to tank again within 2 weeks - should nothing else of note happen.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: exopolitician on January 15, 2011, 11:55:11 AM
+3.3% on RCP avg. The economy is still in shatters, unemployment is still above 9%....this HAS to be a mini rally effect from last weekend - and his resulting speech. There's really no other way to explain this.

I expect his numbers to tank again within 2 weeks - should nothing else of not happen.


Don't sound too excited now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 15, 2011, 12:27:56 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, -1.

Disapprove 53%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, nc.

For comparison purposes:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on January 15, 2011, 01:13:50 PM
I notice Rasmussen is still polling "likely voters" - how the hell does that make any sense?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 15, 2011, 01:34:17 PM
It makes more sense than polling adults.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 15, 2011, 01:51:19 PM
I notice Rasmussen is still polling "likely voters" - how the hell does that make any sense?

In the last two months or so, it makes eminent sense to ask who is going to vote ("likely voters") instead of who can vote (registered voters), let alone potential voters (adults who pass such a screen as knowing that there will be an election).

Some of the people who will be voting in the 2012 election are now barely 16 years old. Some have just achieved citizenship. Some people who pass some of the strongest screens for voting -- as "But I haven't missed an election for sixty years!" aren't going to vote for the simple reason that the Grim Reaper will remove them from the electorate more effectively than any "felon list". Registered voters in Ohio might relocate to Texas where the jobs are (supposedly) and irrespective of their voting habits in Ohio, they just won't be voting in Ohio. 

Anyone registering to vote shows some intention of voting. 

In any event, Rasmussen has yet to show any poll that suggests that President Obama will lose. One can typically ad 6% to an approval rating and get a fair estimate of how an incumbent Governor, Senator, or at-large Representative will do. Or incumbent President. I look at recent Rasmussen polls and I see him winning with anywhere between 52% and 55% of the popular vote. He will have to set up a campaign apparatus, he will have to campaign, and he will have to scandals and diplomatic/military debacles.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on January 15, 2011, 02:14:13 PM
It makes more sense than polling adults.

Not really - what's a "likely voter" at this point?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 15, 2011, 02:17:36 PM
But who cares what an adult who is not a registered voter thinks anyway?  They are irrelevant to the political process.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 15, 2011, 02:51:06 PM
But who cares what an adult who is not a registered voter thinks anyway?  They are irrelevant to the political process.

New voters may swing heavily toward President Obama as in 2008, and old voters might go into hibernation, at least in the Presidential election.

Remember:

Some of the people who will be voting in the 2012 election are now barely 16 years old. Some have just achieved citizenship.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on January 15, 2011, 03:22:56 PM
But who cares what an adult who is not a registered voter thinks anyway?  They are irrelevant to the political process.

New voters may swing heavily toward President Obama as in 2008, and old voters might go into hibernation, at least in the Presidential election.

Remember:

Some of the people who will be voting in the 2012 election are now barely 16 years old. Some have just achieved citizenship.


Little bit of wishful thinking, no? Obama will not have the same magic as he did in 2008. A lot of people - youth included - have become so disillusioned with him. In fact, there's more of a chance the youth will stay home, and the elders will seek to vote him out of office.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 15, 2011, 06:15:28 PM
But who cares what an adult who is not a registered voter thinks anyway?  They are irrelevant to the political process.

New voters may swing heavily toward President Obama as in 2008, and old voters might go into hibernation, at least in the Presidential election.

Remember:

Some of the people who will be voting in the 2012 election are now barely 16 years old. Some have just achieved citizenship.


Little bit of wishful thinking, no? Obama will not have the same magic as he did in 2008. A lot of people - youth included - have become so disillusioned with him. In fact, there's more of a chance the youth will stay home, and the elders will seek to vote him out of office.

I have no cause to believe  that voters over 50 will vote more for than against President Obama. Voters under 50? Different story.

Why do you believe that the electorate will behave as it did in 2010?  The Hard Right has taken over the House, and it is going to return to the same Dubya-era politics that eventually went stale. The right-wing special interests from the gun lobby to the financial gougers own the House and will effectively govern through lobbyists. Lobbyists will not themselves vote, but they will certainly give guidance to Hard Right Republicans. Basically the guidance will be "Vote this way or we will find someone to defeat you in the primary". 

Suppose that in the aftermath of the assassination attempt on Representative Giffords that the President offers some weapons-control reforms... perhaps a restoration of the ban on assault rifles and a new ban on large magazines as well as stricter regulation on who can buy guns and ammo -- so that someone adjudicated mentally ill or rejected by the Armed Forces for mental instability or insufficiency, someone dishonorably discharged, someone on the terrorist watch list, or an illegal alien will be arrested  for simply trying to buy guns or ammo. The gun lobby will be furious!


President Obama, should he succeed in getting the desired legislation passed,  will be recognized as a political hero. Should the House stop him then it will generally be seen as the fault of the GOP  and he gets to campaign on a promise of sensible gun control in 2012. Heads I win -- tails you lose. Sometimes that is the way that things work.

The economy? "No double dip" is evidence of sound management of whatever role the President has  in the economy. Sure, there can't be another corrupt boom for a while, but the hits that have been taken are all that can be taken.

Wishful thinking? The wishful thinking on my part is that historical precedent holds for this President.  I can't predict the future as certainly as perhaps an astrologer might pretend to. But I can predict that a Congress of Hard Right stooges of Corporate America and the Religious Right will offend younger voters anew.     





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 15, 2011, 10:03:19 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, -1.

Disapprove 53%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, nc.

For comparison purposes:

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Thank you, and an interesting comparison.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 16, 2011, 09:47:14 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, --2.

Disapprove 55%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, +2.

This could just be a bad Obama sample moving through.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: exopolitician on January 16, 2011, 11:47:54 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, --2.

Disapprove 55%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, +2.

This could just be a bad Obama sample moving through.




Is Rasmussen the only pollster showing a dip in Obama's numbers?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 16, 2011, 01:33:53 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, --2.

Disapprove 55%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, +2.

This could just be a bad Obama sample moving through.




Is Rasmussen the only pollster showing a dip in Obama's numbers?

Yeah. Gallup went from 49-43 yesterday to 49-42 today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 16, 2011, 01:51:14 PM
It's pretty clear that Obama's speech was pretty mediocre.  The polling does not support the argument that he gave a good speech.

Rasmussen has shown him tanking in the aftermath of his speech and everyone here is on record signing Rasmussen's praises for his daily tracking poll.  I wonder if you'll stand by that praise now that Rasmussen has shown Obama falling apart after his speech.

As for Gallup, there is no bounce at all.  His disapproval has dipped slightly in the aftermath but I'd expect them to go back up.  His approval rating didn't move at all.

Gallup and Rasmussen tell us that the American people got Obama's "rain drops" and told him to shove it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 16, 2011, 01:52:56 PM
Obama's speech may be another instance why the media narrative is completely unsupported by polling.

The person who nailed the Obama speech completely was liberal Kirsten Powers.  I think her reaction is the one that was felt by most non-partisan,  non-political people.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-01-12/obama-arizona-speech-missed-an-opportunity/

Rasmussen and Gallup seem to back up her point.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 16, 2011, 02:18:59 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, -1.

Disapprove 53%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, nc.

For comparison purposes:

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Interesting parallel.  The last successes as President, Reagan and Clinton, show much the same pattern. They took their biggest chances early, took some political flak, found out what worked and didn't during their first terms, got people accustomed to them as President, and won re-election. If you contrast the least-effective President in the last seventy-five years (Carter) you find that he achieved little early. It wasn't only that he faced one of the slickest campaigners, the economy remained in the tank, and Iranian terrorists took over the US Embassy; he lost big, and would have lost by a slim margin had none of those things been so.

Neither Reagan nor Clinton had to make new promises. Carter had to do so, and few believed him.

No parallels are perfect. Some are just better than others.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: exopolitician on January 16, 2011, 02:25:55 PM
Obama's speech may be another instance why the media narrative is completely unsupported by polling.

The person who nailed the Obama speech completely was liberal Kirsten Powers.  I think her reaction is the one that was felt by most non-partisan,  non-political people.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-01-12/obama-arizona-speech-missed-an-opportunity/

Rasmussen and Gallup seem to back up her point.


That whole article complains about how Obama's mission should have been to tell everyone that it wasn't Palin's fault or the right-wing ect, when thats not what the President was there to speak about.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 16, 2011, 02:27:06 PM
It's pretty clear that Obama's speech was pretty mediocre.  The polling does not support the argument that he gave a good speech.

Rasmussen has shown him tanking in the aftermath of his speech and everyone here is on record signing Rasmussen's praises for his daily tracking poll.  I wonder if you'll stand by that praise now that Rasmussen has shown Obama falling apart after his speech.

As for Gallup, there is no bounce at all.  His disapproval has dipped slightly in the aftermath but I'd expect them to go back up.  His approval rating didn't move at all.

Gallup and Rasmussen tell us that the American people got Obama's "rain drops" and told him to shove it.

Evrerything I've heard about it (including from Beck), the speech itself was good.  I heard some criticism on the applause.

Part of the problem might the leftists claiming it is all the "hate speech" causing this.  It turns out that this was a guy with serious mental problems, that were very clear.  By reflection, that didn't help Obama (even though he wasn't doing it).

The idiots on the left might have played right into Beck's, et al., hands.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 16, 2011, 02:42:44 PM
Right J.J., I didn't recognize that rodeo clown Glenn Beck became such an authoritative figure all of a sudden.  Just because Beck said it was good doesn't mean it was good.

You may want to read what even a far-left liberal like Kirsten Powers had to say about it.  Gallup and Rasmussen don't seem to agree with rodeo clown Glenn Beck and agree more with Powers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 16, 2011, 03:54:25 PM
Right J.J., I didn't recognize that rodeo clown Glenn Beck became such an authoritative figure all of a sudden.  Just because Beck said it was good doesn't mean it was good.

You may want to read what even a far-left liberal like Kirsten Powers had to say about it.  Gallup and Rasmussen don't seem to agree with rodeo clown Glenn Beck and agree more with Powers.

Shut up.

Please.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on January 16, 2011, 04:23:08 PM
Right J.J., I didn't recognize that rodeo clown Glenn Beck became such an authoritative figure all of a sudden.  Just because Beck said it was good doesn't mean it was good.

You may want to read what even a far-left liberal like Kirsten Powers had to say about it.  Gallup and Rasmussen don't seem to agree with rodeo clown Glenn Beck and agree more with Powers.

Shut up.

Please.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on January 16, 2011, 05:02:21 PM
But who cares what an adult who is not a registered voter thinks anyway?  They are irrelevant to the political process.

New voters may swing heavily toward President Obama as in 2008, and old voters might go into hibernation, at least in the Presidential election.

Remember:

Some of the people who will be voting in the 2012 election are now barely 16 years old. Some have just achieved citizenship.


Little bit of wishful thinking, no? Obama will not have the same magic as he did in 2008. A lot of people - youth included - have become so disillusioned with him. In fact, there's more of a chance the youth will stay home, and the elders will seek to vote him out of office.

I have no cause to believe  that voters over 50 will vote more for than against President Obama. Voters under 50? Different story.

Why do you believe that the electorate will behave as it did in 2010?  The Hard Right has taken over the House, and it is going to return to the same Dubya-era politics that eventually went stale. The right-wing special interests from the gun lobby to the financial gougers own the House and will effectively govern through lobbyists. Lobbyists will not themselves vote, but they will certainly give guidance to Hard Right Republicans. Basically the guidance will be "Vote this way or we will find someone to defeat you in the primary". 

Suppose that in the aftermath of the assassination attempt on Representative Giffords that the President offers some weapons-control reforms... perhaps a restoration of the ban on assault rifles and a new ban on large magazines as well as stricter regulation on who can buy guns and ammo -- so that someone adjudicated mentally ill or rejected by the Armed Forces for mental instability or insufficiency, someone dishonorably discharged, someone on the terrorist watch list, or an illegal alien will be arrested  for simply trying to buy guns or ammo. The gun lobby will be furious!


President Obama, should he succeed in getting the desired legislation passed,  will be recognized as a political hero. Should the House stop him then it will generally be seen as the fault of the GOP  and he gets to campaign on a promise of sensible gun control in 2012. Heads I win -- tails you lose. Sometimes that is the way that things work.

The economy? "No double dip" is evidence of sound management of whatever role the President has  in the economy. Sure, there can't be another corrupt boom for a while, but the hits that have been taken are all that can be taken.

Wishful thinking? The wishful thinking on my part is that historical precedent holds for this President.  I can't predict the future as certainly as perhaps an astrologer might pretend to. But I can predict that a Congress of Hard Right stooges of Corporate America and the Religious Right will offend younger voters anew.     




Most voters do not view the economy and politics like that. Americans will expect a return to or be on the road to what they think is "normal" ie 5% unemployment and expect the President to deliver it whether he can or can't in reality (thank FDR). If that hasn't been achieved they will turn on whoever it is in office.

This is not a case of having you cake and eating it too, "the hits have been taken and so there will be no more damage from them". That is not how the economy is treated. Results beyond just averting a worse crisis (which I will point out is a difficult arguement to make because people beleive what they feel and since they didn't feel a worse case scenario they won't grasp it) will be demanded as long as this "new normal" lasts. In other words, "Are you better off now then you were four years ago" or "I can do better at 'restoring' the economy then he can..." are very potent tools as long as Unemployment is stuck above 9%.

Most real people that you talk to, don't consider the recession over and they don't view the economy in terms of contraction and expansion but in terms of whether the economy is good or is bad and from the beginning of the contraction till we reach pre-Recession employement levels, is considered bad. So Obama will not be trumpeting the current state of affairs as an achievement worthy of his reelection. Instead his arguement will have to be this is just a bump in the road and that his policies and his administration will restore the economy if reelected. Successfully convincing people of that is his only option. If he doesn't then the Republicans will be able to make the case and it will be very convincing that Obama beleives this is an acceptable "new normal" and that the only way to move beyond it is to elect someone committed to restoring the economy to full health. Actual reality of the polices will matter less because in the people's mind Obama's policies haven't delivered results and thus it is time to try something new.

Finally, most would gladly go back to 2005 if only it didn't mean having to go through 2007 to 2010. People prefer booming economies and don't view them as corrupt. It is reasonable to say that the economic expansion (boom just sounds so juvenile these days, I think. Overuse maybe) from 2002 to 2007 was unstable and unsustainable, it most certainly wasn't corrupt. An expansion is merely a growth in the number and value of the transactions that take place (measured with GDP). Hardly corrupt in and off itself. Corruption does happen, but I think the incentive for fraud and criminal behavior is present in good and bad times. One would have to be very cynical to say that all new economic activity and all economic activity that increased in value in a period of years is corrupt.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 16, 2011, 05:20:46 PM
Lyndon,

Are you too busy crying over rain drops?  Because Rasmussen and Gallup seem to indicate nobody else did besides rodeo clown Glenn Beck.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on January 16, 2011, 06:38:04 PM
Lyndon,

Are you too busy crying over rain drops?  Because Rasmussen and Gallup seem to indicate nobody else did besides rodeo clown Glenn Beck.

Jesus, you're such a mind-numbingly annoying hack I don't even know why I'm responding to you, but take a look at this -

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Also take a look at the praise Obama's speech from, uh, virtually everyone - even on the right,  from John McCain to Chris Christie to Charles Krauthammer.

Here's a nice list (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/13/praise-for-obama-from-the-right-and-left/?partner=rss&emc=rss).

Please, please, go away. Go and post at the Free Republic and never come back.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 16, 2011, 08:59:19 PM


I have no cause to believe  that voters over 50 will vote more for than against President Obama. Voters under 50? Different story.

Why do you believe that the electorate will behave as it did in 2010?  The Hard Right has taken over the House, and it is going to return to the same Dubya-era politics that eventually went stale. The right-wing special interests from the gun lobby to the financial gougers own the House and will effectively govern through lobbyists. Lobbyists will not themselves vote, but they will certainly give guidance to Hard Right Republicans. Basically the guidance will be "Vote this way or we will find someone to defeat you in the primary".  

Suppose that in the aftermath of the assassination attempt on Representative Giffords that the President offers some weapons-control reforms... perhaps a restoration of the ban on assault rifles and a new ban on large magazines as well as stricter regulation on who can buy guns and ammo -- so that someone adjudicated mentally ill or rejected by the Armed Forces for mental instability or insufficiency, someone dishonorably discharged, someone on the terrorist watch list, or an illegal alien will be arrested  for simply trying to buy guns or ammo. The gun lobby will be furious!


President Obama, should he succeed in getting the desired legislation passed,  will be recognized as a political hero. Should the House stop him then it will generally be seen as the fault of the GOP  and he gets to campaign on a promise of sensible gun control in 2012. Heads I win -- tails you lose. Sometimes that is the way that things work.

The economy? "No double dip" is evidence of sound management of whatever role the President has  in the economy. Sure, there can't be another corrupt boom for a while, but the hits that have been taken are all that can be taken.

Wishful thinking? The wishful thinking on my part is that historical precedent holds for this President.  I can't predict the future as certainly as perhaps an astrologer might pretend to. But I can predict that a Congress of Hard Right stooges of Corporate America and the Religious Right will offend younger voters anew.      




Most voters do not view the economy and politics like that. Americans will expect a return to or be on the road to what they think is "normal" ie 5% unemployment and expect the President to deliver it whether he can or can't in reality (thank FDR). If that hasn't been achieved they will turn on whoever it is in office.

This is not a case of having you cake and eating it too, "the hits have been taken and so there will be no more damage from them". That is not how the economy is treated. Results beyond just averting a worse crisis (which I will point out is a difficult arguement to make because people beleive what they feel and since they didn't feel a worse case scenario they won't grasp it) will be demanded as long as this "new normal" lasts. In other words, "Are you better off now then you were four years ago" or "I can do better at 'restoring' the economy then he can..." are very potent tools as long as Unemployment is stuck above 9%.

Most real people that you talk to, don't consider the recession over and they don't view the economy in terms of contraction and expansion but in terms of whether the economy is good or is bad and from the beginning of the contraction till we reach pre-Recession employement levels, is considered bad. So Obama will not be trumpeting the current state of affairs as an achievement worthy of his reelection. Instead his arguement will have to be this is just a bump in the road and that his policies and his administration will restore the economy if reelected. Successfully convincing people of that is his only option. If he doesn't then the Republicans will be able to make the case and it will be very convincing that Obama beleives this is an acceptable "new normal" and that the only way to move beyond it is to elect someone committed to restoring the economy to full health. Actual reality of the polices will matter less because in the people's mind Obama's policies haven't delivered results and thus it is time to try something new.

Finally, most would gladly go back to 2005 if only it didn't mean having to go through 2007 to 2010. People prefer booming economies and don't view them as corrupt. It is reasonable to say that the economic expansion (boom just sounds so juvenile these days, I think. Overuse maybe) from 2002 to 2007 was unstable and unsustainable, it most certainly wasn't corrupt. An expansion is merely a growth in the number and value of the transactions that take place (measured with GDP). Hardly corrupt in and off itself. Corruption does happen, but I think the incentive for fraud and criminal behavior is present in good and bad times. One would have to be very cynical to say that all new economic activity and all economic activity that increased in value in a period of years is corrupt.



No wild economic boom, the sort in which people can make money by investing for quick, easy, exciting gains will be possible. Such money as is being made is to be made in investment in undervalued securities that have their own risks or in long-term investments that people can't sell off easily. The electronics boom depended upon people having disposable income  with which to pay for high-profit, big-ticket items. Electronic purchases are now largely replacements. Real estate? For a more enjoyable sort of comedy, check out reruns of classic comedy TV series.

The right-wing solution -- the common man making great sacrifices on behalf of economic magnates in the hope that wealth will somehow trickle down -- will itself be a failure. At most, manor houses are built once.

It's low yields with slow and uncertain returns for the next few years. Say what you want about the 1930s, but they were a good time for starting businesses once the financial institutions stabilized.  The meltdown is over, and the recovery is on. It might not be as fast as people want, but economic growth is not something that people can vote on. See also: weather.

We may be in for a "new normal" -- that high-school kids can't expect to make a near-living at the mall when shopping malls are themselves closing due to a lack of free-spending customers.  We may need to see large numbers of people out of the labor market. And, yes, marginal female workers might have to leave the workforce not so much due to their incompetence but instead because our society can't afford to have an excessive number of idle men seeking any excitement or meaning available. Give some of those men a cheap uniform and they will go on the march for whatever fits their values, whether it be a street gang or a fascist clique (the KKK or the Black Panthers will do well). Kinder, Kirche, Kueche? That's how it was for a woman in the 1930s and the 1950s alike if she had a husband. I might not be comfortable suggesting that we would revert to that, but there's something to be said about being able to mend clothes, can seasonal fruits and vegetables, and take care of an elderly parent. One good thing about it: children will get the attention that they used to not get, and they will less likely become the aimless kids in the ghetto or the spoiled brats of Suburbia for lack of maternal direction.   

Face it: there just not be enough work to go around. Much as in the 1920s, when electrification of factories made industrial production far more efficient and kept wages from rising fast, so it has been with the information technologies. We may have to cut the normal hours of work from 40 a week to somewhere between 30 and 35. Such is a consequence of greater efficiency.

The corruption in the boom was the cheap money available for any speculative purpose. First, Americans should have been investing in something else -- something likely to create long-term jobs (typically plant and equipment). Second,  the low interest rate created by loose money made thrift unrewarding. Sustainable growth depends upon both savings and investment.  Plant and equipment. As in the unglamorous factory? Precisely! Many Americans are ill-suited for anything else -- at least anything whose pay isn't a travesty.   

But I digress. We have done badly at sharing the sacrifices. The corporate elites have continued to live like sultans while working people are at the mercy of their harsh decision-making.  The adjustments are far from over, and they can't be avoided. 

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on January 17, 2011, 12:53:42 AM
I get a kick reading the arguments and debates from you guys, keep it up!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 17, 2011, 09:44:15 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, +2.

Disapprove 53%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, -2.

It looks like a bad Obama sample.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 17, 2011, 09:48:44 AM
Right J.J., I didn't recognize that rodeo clown Glenn Beck became such an authoritative figure all of a sudden.  Just because Beck said it was good doesn't mean it was good.

Yes, someone arguably an opponent of Obama complements the speech and you don't like it.

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You may want to read what even a far-left liberal like Kirsten Powers had to say about it.  Gallup and Rasmussen don't seem to agree with rodeo clown Glenn Beck and agree more with Powers.

Well, it looks neutral.  It looks like they don't agree with your assessment.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on January 17, 2011, 06:11:24 PM
J.J.,

Fair enough.  It clearly hasn't changed the way his performance is perceived.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 17, 2011, 11:08:12 PM
J.J.,

Fair enough.  It clearly hasn't changed the way his performance is perceived.

It wasn't suppose to; that's why it was so successful.  :)

Obama improves, long term, by looking like he's not trying to improve his image.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 17, 2011, 11:51:40 PM
J.J.,

Fair enough.  It clearly hasn't changed the way his performance is perceived.

It wasn't suppose to; that's why it was so successful.  :)

Obama improves, long term, by looking like he's not trying to improve his image.



That is the point. Conservative-leaning people who think that President Obama is then trying to manipulate his image think him all the more devious and, of course, manipulative. Much would be the same of liberal-leaners facing a conservative President.

We live in a time of great distrust and ideological polarization. Right or Left, we as equally think that the Other Side is out to make our lives miserable for the enrichment and supposed glory of some political leaders and special interests.

Even if the President pushes (and gets most of) a large political agenda -- an achievement by most historical standards -- the Other Side considers it all suspect at best and evil at worst. Sure, liberals would disparage a right-wing President who succeeded at achieving an abortion ban, repeal of minimum wage and child labor laws, elimination of OHSA and the EPA -- maybe BATF as well, a national "right-to-work" law, creationism as  mandatory teaching in public schools, school prayer, and either a flat tax or a  consumption-based tax instead of the income tax.

In 2012 the great questions to be asked at the voting places will be whether they think that President Obama has done more good than harm, whether he needs some legislative assistance so that he can do more good than harm in a Second Term, and whether they like the behavior  of the GOP majority in the House. The ideologues won't decide these questions; they will never be satisfied with the Other Side.  It's the political center, the sorts of people who don't vote for Barry Goldwater in 1964 or George McGovern in 1972, the sorts that might have given Herbert Hoover or Jimmy Carter a chance and not given either another.   

Walter Alston (or was it Tommy Lasorda?) said of a baseball season that any team (unless it is the doomed 1899 Cleveland Spiders, the putrid 1962 New York Mets, or the dreadful 2003 Detroit Tigers) is going to win a third of its games and lose a third of its games. How well the season goes depends on the other third. In politics, the worst Presidential performer in modern times (Alf Landon) managed to get 37% of the vote, which is a little more than a third.

In 2008 Barack Obama won 53.7% of the votes that weren't wasted on third-party nominees. A swing of 3.7% of the nationwide vote away from him in 2012 probably ensures a Republican President.  He can gain some votes and have a stronger win; he can lose some and still get re-elected. A 3.7% swing away from him allows the Republicans to flip NE-02, North Carolina, Indiana, Florida, Ohio, and Virginia (which would still allow re-election) and perhaps Colorado (which he would need).   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 18, 2011, 01:19:41 AM
NY (Siena Research Institute):

61% (+6) Favorable
36%  (-6) Unfavorable

50% (+7) Re-elect
40%  (-7) Prefer someone else

This SRI survey was conducted January 10-13, 2011 by telephone calls to 776 New York State registered voters. It has a margin of error of +/- 3.5 percentage points.

http://www.siena.edu/uploadedfiles/home/Parents_and_Community/Community_Page/SRI/SNY_Poll/SNY%20January%2017%202011%20Poll%20Release%20FINAL.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 18, 2011, 08:04:51 AM
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For immediate release…Monday, Jan. 17, 2011. 5 pp.
Contact: Peter Woolley 973.670.3239
Obama and Menendez Ahead in New Jersey
According to the most recent statewide poll by Fairleigh Dickinson University’s
PublicMind™, New Jersey voters give President Barack Obama an approval rating
of 47%-41%, off from 51%-40% in November, but similar to his measure of 47%-
43% in October. His approvals are higher among women (53%) than men (41%)
and among voters under 30 years old (60%) than over 30 (46%).
“Obama’s approval, even if tepid, comes despite that many voters are unhappy
with the health care bill, unhappy with the economy and unhappy with the direction
of the country,” said Peter Woolley, a political scientist and director of the poll.



Note the large gap between "approve" and "disapprove, but rules are rules in my map.  

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/oandm/

NY (Siena Research Institute):

61% (+6) Favorable
36%  (-6) Unfavorable

50% (+7) Re-elect
40%  (-7) Prefer someone else

This SRI survey was conducted January 10-13, 2011 by telephone calls to 776 New York State registered voters. It has a margin of error of +/- 3.5 percentage points.

http://www.siena.edu/uploadedfiles/home/Parents_and_Community/Community_Page/SRI/SNY_Poll/SNY%20January%2017%202011%20Poll%20Release%20FINAL.pdf

"Re-elect" is more specific than "favorable/unfavorable". Again, look at the huge number of undecided.
 

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  69
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   71
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 48
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  71
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  18
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   9




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  69
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   57
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%62
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  23
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  67
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  0
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  9  






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BlueSwan on January 18, 2011, 08:41:42 AM
So basically everybody except Rasmussen has Obama with positive national numbers now:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

That's a nice boost and he could well get a further boost if he delivers a strong State Of The Union speech. He might see his best numbers in more than a year.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 18, 2011, 08:51:20 AM
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/18/cnn-poll-obamas-job-approval-rating-on-the-rise/

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   By: CNN Political Unit

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Washington (CNN) – President Barack Obama's approval rating is up five points since December as a growing number of Americans consider him a strong leader who is tough enough to handle a crisis, according to a new national poll. A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Tuesday also indicates that a jump in support by independent voters is behind the overall rise in the president's approval rating.

Fifty-three percent of people questioned in the poll approve of how Obama's handling his duties in the White House, up from 48 percent in a CNN poll that was conducted last month, as a very productive lame duck congressional session was nearing completion.

"Obama's approval rating among Democrats and Republicans is virtually unchanged since December, but among independents it has grown from 41 percent in December to 56 percent now," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "It's possible that his call for greater civility in the aftermath of the Arizona shootings was seen as a boost for the bipartisan solutions that typically attract independents."

The survey indicates that 59 percent of the public now thinks the president is tough enough to handle a crisis - up six points from last year - and 57 percent now consider him a strong and decisive leader - a four-point gain.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/abc-news-washington-post-poll-obama-approval-moves/story?id=12634581

Obama Approval Moves Ahead Though Challenges Remain
Obama's Job Approval Has Matched his Highest in More Than a Year

Aided by his response to the Tucson shootings, popular lame-duck legislation and a hint of economic relief, Barack Obama has matched his highest job approval rating in more than a year in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll, with his ratings for empathy likewise rebounding.

It's a remarkable turnaround for a president so recently hammered in the 2010 midterm elections. Yet the public's mood remains glum, with attendant, continuing hazards for the president and Congress alike.

Fifty-four percent now approve of Obama's job performance, up 5 points from last month and 8 points above his career low in September. And given overwhelming approval of his response to the Tucson attack, Americans by an 18-point margin, 58-40 percent, say Obama "understands the problems of people like you." That's up from a mere 2-point split, 50-48 percent, in September.

But for those who have hope in the success of the hard Right winning over America after four years of a "failed Presidency":

Quote
“His overall approach to expanding the size of government, expanding the deficit, and giving more and more authority and power to the government over the private sector,” Mr. Cheney said in an interview with Jamie Gangel for NBC News. “Those are all weaknesses, as I look at Barack Obama. And I think he’ll be a one term President.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/17/cheney-considering-heart-transplant/

My comment: We shall see who the one-term pols are (President, House of Representatives) in 2012.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on January 18, 2011, 11:07:32 AM
ABC News/Washington Post Poll: Obama back up to 54%

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/abc-news-washington-post-poll-obama-approval-moves/story?id=12634581


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ucscgaldamez on January 18, 2011, 12:09:47 PM
CNN has his approval at 53%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 18, 2011, 01:05:10 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, +2.

Disapprove 51%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, -1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 18, 2011, 01:56:05 PM
So basically everybody except Rasmussen has Obama with positive national numbers now:

"Elaine Marshall's pimp" has him at only 46-50 this week.

But he would defeat a generic Republican by 47-45.

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/1/14

PS: They will also release the monthly 2012 poll today and it will also have new approvals.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on January 18, 2011, 02:49:07 PM
I'm curious if Obama starts polling above 50 in the next few months if any of the presumed candidates will get cold feet and bail on a run.  I don't think you'll see any majors get in before mid-March.

I'm continuing to assume Palin and Huckabee won't say anything in the 1st half of 2011.  It'll also be curious to see how they continue to poll without announcing or campaigning.  Obama being over 50% for 6 months would probably keep Huck out and maybe Palin as her head-to-head gap would grow.

Any guesses?  I'd say the bigger the opportunity cost, the more likely to pass, like Pence or Huckabee.  And maybe someone like Thune or Daniels if they had mixed feelings to begin with.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on January 18, 2011, 03:50:59 PM
I'm curious if Obama starts polling above 50 in the next few months if any of the presumed candidates will get cold feet and bail on a run.  I don't think you'll see any majors get in before mid-March.

I'm continuing to assume Palin and Huckabee won't say anything in the 1st half of 2011.  It'll also be curious to see how they continue to poll without announcing or campaigning.  Obama being over 50% for 6 months would probably keep Huck out and maybe Palin as her head-to-head gap would grow.

Any guesses?  I'd say the bigger the opportunity cost, the more likely to pass, like Pence or Huckabee.  And maybe someone like Thune or Daniels if they had mixed feelings to begin with.
Agreed.  At this point, the only people I can think of that appear to be running no matter what are Romney, Pawlenty, Barbour, Santorum, and Johnson


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 19, 2011, 02:49:45 AM
Michigan (EPIC-MRA):

Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of each of the following political figures?

Barack Obama
Total Favorable: 51%
Total Unfavorable: 42%
Undecided: 8%

Rick Snyder
Total Favorable: 59%
Total Unfavorable: 9%
Undecided: 31%

Debbie Stabenow
Total Favorable: 48%
Total Unfavorable: 34%
Undecided: 15%

Overall, how would you rate the job being done by Barack Obama as President?

43% Positive
55% Negative
2% Undecided

Overall, how would you rate the job Rick Snyder has done so far as Michigan’s new Governor?

29% Positive
16% Negative
55% Undecided

The survey was conducted January 13 – 16 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percent.

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/political/exclusive-poll%3A-rick-snyder-has-public-support-ahead-of-his-first-state-of-the-state-address


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 19, 2011, 09:29:36 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, nc.

Disapprove 51%, nc.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, nc.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Person Man on January 19, 2011, 09:32:03 AM
Ask one way, and Obama will probably will handily in 2012, though probably have a little more trouble (55% will vote for him in MI and he will probably lose OH and IN but do ok in FL, PA and have VA come to the wire)...asked another, he may be lucky to carry anything outside of D.C.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 19, 2011, 09:40:25 AM
I´m already interested if Obama's strong ratings @ Rasmussen will level after the SOTU speech.

It is -9 today and could be even better tomorrow if the bad sample from before drops out and the good samples continue.

Last year, he got a bump after the speech and his strong ratings were almost equal.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 19, 2011, 11:36:27 AM
Michigan (EPIC-MRA):

Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of each of the following political figures?

Barack Obama
Total Favorable: 51%
Total Unfavorable: 42%
Undecided: 8%

Rick Snyder
Total Favorable: 59%
Total Unfavorable: 9%
Undecided: 31%

Debbie Stabenow
Total Favorable: 48%
Total Unfavorable: 34%
Undecided: 15%

Overall, how would you rate the job being done by Barack Obama as President?

43% Positive
55% Negative
2% Undecided

Overall, how would you rate the job Rick Snyder has done so far as Michigan’s new Governor?

29% Positive
16% Negative
55% Undecided

The survey was conducted January 13 – 16 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percent.

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/political/exclusive-poll%3A-rick-snyder-has-public-support-ahead-of-his-first-state-of-the-state-address

So much for a Senate seat from Michigan being an easy pickup for the Reactionary Party. It would have been in 2010.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on January 20, 2011, 05:19:29 AM
Wall Street Journal/NBC: 53%

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704590704576092273958557698.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 20, 2011, 01:55:53 PM
Gallup is 51-42 (+2, -1) today, Rasmussen is 49-50 (+1, -1).

We also have a Quinnipiac Ohio poll:

49% (+4) Approve
46%  (-3) Disapprove

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1322.xml?ReleaseID=1551


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 20, 2011, 02:25:15 PM
FOX News has:

47% (+7) Approve
44%  (-7) Disapprove

56% (+9) Favorable
40%  (-8) Unfavorable

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/poll1.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 20, 2011, 04:06:46 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, +1.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 36%, -1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 20, 2011, 04:17:21 PM
YouGov (727RV, Jan. 15-18), for what it's worth:

49% (+10 since early Dec.) Approve
48%    (-9 since early Dec.) Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 20, 2011, 04:20:38 PM
OK, can someone explain to me what are the reasons behind Obama's spectacular rise?
It's not like something fundamental changed in a month or so to see his numbers surge so dramatically.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 20, 2011, 04:25:37 PM
OK, can someone explain to me what are the reasons behind Obama's spectacular rise?
It's not like something fundamental changed in a month or so to see him numbers surge so dramatically.

Buyer's remorse from GOP midterm voters (there is probably a small element of that).

His numbers were at the lowest over the summer and there was a pickup even before the the midterms.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on January 20, 2011, 04:43:21 PM
Perhaps the lame duck session?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: exopolitician on January 20, 2011, 04:48:07 PM
OK, can someone explain to me what are the reasons behind Obama's spectacular rise?
It's not like something fundamental changed in a month or so to see his numbers surge so dramatically.


Id love to hear Poundingtherock's take on this as well.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ucscgaldamez on January 20, 2011, 04:55:57 PM
The lame duck session, and reaction to Gifford's shooting helped Obama's approval.

I think it's a temporary bump, the healthcare efforts of Republicans will probably keep him down. However, if they overreach, and they only concentrate on healthcare, then it may backfire....concentrated on the past not moving forward, and also why they are not concentrated on jobs, number one priority for most people.

People may grow tired of congressional republicans and repealing healthcare, especially if it leads to a government shutdown (defunding some health care related costs). If that happens, I suspect Obama will come out ahead. Romney may become more visible and to have romneycare and obamacare that sort of neutralizes the healthcare issue (or at least gives Democrats some cover).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 20, 2011, 04:57:47 PM
OK, can someone explain to me what are the reasons behind Obama's spectacular rise?
It's not like something fundamental changed in a month or so to see his numbers surge so dramatically.


Id love to hear Poundingtherock's take on this as well.

Let my try:

Elaine Marshall's pimp!
Bloomberg will split the godless liberal urban vote and Sarah Palin will be elected President with over 400 EV.
The Democrat Party is finished!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: America™ on January 20, 2011, 06:05:23 PM
I give Obama a month until he hits 42% approval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: memphis on January 20, 2011, 06:06:39 PM
OK, can someone explain to me what are the reasons behind Obama's spectacular rise?.

Sympathy bump after the Giffords shooting. OMGZ, I was upset and he gave a good speech!!11 I'm glad Obama's numbers are up, but it's just so damn stupid. Tragedies are goldmines for politicians.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on January 20, 2011, 09:22:06 PM
I give Obama a month until he hits 42% approval.
Maybe.  By Spring for sure.  And  then it will go back up...and down...and up...and down....


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 21, 2011, 01:59:36 AM
Ayres, McHenry & Associates (R) for Resurgent Republic:

53% Approve
44% Disapprove

55% Favorable
41% Unfavorable

This survey of 1000 registered voters was conducted January 12-16, 2011. Respondents were selected randomly from a random-digit-dialing sample including both cell phone and landline telephone numbers. All respondents confirmed that they are registered to vote in the county in which they live. Quotas were set for state, age, and race based on state registration and previous turnout. The party balance for the registered voters in the sample is 34 percent Democrat, 32 percent Independent, and 28 percent Republican.

http://www.resurgentrepublic.com/system/assets/353/original/RR_Jan_2011_Memo.pdf

http://www.resurgentrepublic.com/system/assets/354/original/RR_Jan_2011_Toplines_012011.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 21, 2011, 02:23:47 AM
NYT/CBS News Poll:

49% Approve
39% Disapprove

http://documents.nytimes.com/new-york-timescbs-news-poll-reducing-the-deficit?ref=politics


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on January 21, 2011, 02:30:40 AM
Ayres, McHenry & Associates (R) for Resurgent Republic:

53% Approve
44% Disapprove

55% Favorable
41% Unfavorable

This survey of 1000 registered voters was conducted January 12-16, 2011. Respondents were selected randomly from a random-digit-dialing sample including both cell phone and landline telephone numbers. All respondents confirmed that they are registered to vote in the county in which they live. Quotas were set for state, age, and race based on state registration and previous turnout. The party balance for the registered voters in the sample is 34 percent Democrat, 32 percent Independent, and 28 percent Republican.

http://www.resurgentrepublic.com/system/assets/353/original/RR_Jan_2011_Memo.pdf

http://www.resurgentrepublic.com/system/assets/354/original/RR_Jan_2011_Toplines_012011.pdf

Pretty damn good numbers from a Republican pollster.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 21, 2011, 02:35:03 AM
NYT/CBS News Poll:

49% Approve
39% Disapprove

http://documents.nytimes.com/new-york-timescbs-news-poll-reducing-the-deficit?ref=politics

Pretty bad numbers from a pollster that leans Dem.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on January 21, 2011, 05:42:58 AM
Oh Phil... you do crack me up sometimes.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on January 21, 2011, 08:03:04 AM

NYT/CBS News Poll:

49% Approve
39% Disapprove

http://documents.nytimes.com/new-york-timescbs-news-poll-reducing-the-deficit?ref=politics

Pretty bad numbers from a pollster that leans Dem.

+10 is bad.....you guys are getting pretty desperate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Modernity has failed us on January 21, 2011, 08:26:35 AM
NYT/CBS News Poll:

49% Approve
39% Disapprove

Is there a "painfully apathetic" option?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on January 21, 2011, 09:16:55 AM
NYT/CBS News Poll:

49% Approve
39% Disapprove

Is there a "painfully apathetic" option?
If that option was included in polls I have a strong feeling it would get a solid majority everytime. :(


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 21, 2011, 10:07:35 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, u.

Disapprove 49%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 36%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 21, 2011, 12:10:41 PM
OK, can someone explain to me what are the reasons behind Obama's spectacular rise?
It's not like something fundamental changed in a month or so to see his numbers surge so dramatically.

If basic reality has changed little -- the economy is still a mess, the Korean Peninsula remains a powderkeg, and we are still in combat in Afghanistan -- perceptions are changing. The flippant attitude that many Americans have toward some right-wing rhetoric is no more.

Time will show whether Americans accept some of the zanier statements and behavior of some elected Republicans. The more pragmatic GOP politicians will likely have no difficulty in winning re-election. The rest? They will have to be in ultra-safe districts.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 21, 2011, 01:27:31 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, u.

Disapprove 49%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 36%, u.

THE DELUGE IS COMING!!!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on January 21, 2011, 02:50:59 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, u.

Disapprove 49%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 36%, u.
=O
Obama's breaking even?  On Rasmusen!

The end is nigh!!!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 21, 2011, 02:57:44 PM

NYT/CBS News Poll:

49% Approve
39% Disapprove

http://documents.nytimes.com/new-york-timescbs-news-poll-reducing-the-deficit?ref=politics

Pretty bad numbers from a pollster that leans Dem.

+10 is bad.....you guys are getting pretty desperate.


Simply stating that the numbers seem too positive for the opposition from two polls that usually lean the other way.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on January 21, 2011, 03:27:52 PM
OK, can someone explain to me what are the reasons behind Obama's spectacular rise?
It's not like something fundamental changed in a month or so to see his numbers surge so dramatically.

If basic reality has changed little -- the economy is still a mess, the Korean Peninsula remains a powderkeg, and we are still in combat in Afghanistan -- perceptions are changing. The flippant attitude that many Americans have toward some right-wing rhetoric is no more.

Time will show whether Americans accept some of the zanier statements and behavior of some elected Republicans. The more pragmatic GOP politicians will likely have no difficulty in winning re-election. The rest? They will have to be in ultra-safe districts.  

You're reading far too much into it. It's clearly the rally effect due to the shooting and his resulting speech. Maybe he can ride it into the next big news cycle and take momentum from it. If not, he's just going to level back out to where he was 3 weeks ago once the media move on to the next story.

And in any case, the majority of Americans think Conservatives were unfairly targeted for their rhetoric, so your theory holds no substance as is.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 21, 2011, 03:56:20 PM
OK, can someone explain to me what are the reasons behind Obama's spectacular rise?
It's not like something fundamental changed in a month or so to see his numbers surge so dramatically.

If basic reality has changed little -- the economy is still a mess, the Korean Peninsula remains a powderkeg, and we are still in combat in Afghanistan -- perceptions are changing. The flippant attitude that many Americans have toward some right-wing rhetoric is no more.

Time will show whether Americans accept some of the zanier statements and behavior of some elected Republicans. The more pragmatic GOP politicians will likely have no difficulty in winning re-election. The rest? They will have to be in ultra-safe districts.  

You're reading far too much into it. It's clearly the rally effect due to the shooting and his resulting speech. Maybe he can ride it into the next big news cycle and take momentum from it. If not, he's just going to level back out to where he was 3 weeks ago once the media move on to the next story.

And in any case, the majority of Americans think Conservatives were unfairly targeted for their rhetoric, so your theory holds no substance as is.

Gun control, long a third rail, can become a no-lose proposition for the President. Restoration of the assault-weapons ban? Ban on the massacre clips?

The State of the Union Address is on Wednesday night. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on January 21, 2011, 04:06:54 PM
Anyone want to take bets on the over/under after the State Of The Union Address?  I bet he gets to 54% on Rasmussen. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ucscgaldamez on January 21, 2011, 04:53:20 PM
The highest he will get to is 51% on Rasmussen. I don't think he will poll higher than that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on January 21, 2011, 06:45:23 PM
Gun control, long a third rail, can become a no-lose proposition for the President. Restoration of the assault-weapons ban? Ban on the massacre clips?

The State of the Union Address is on Wednesday night. 

Obama waited far too long for gun control to be a no-lose proposition. We're well outside the Giffords news cycle by now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 21, 2011, 08:20:37 PM
Much anticipated:


TEXAS


 http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_TX_0120513.pdf

Quote
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 42%
Disapprove...................................................... 55%
Not sure .......................................................... 4%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 43%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 48%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mike
Huckabee, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 39%
Mike Huckabee ............................................... 55%
Undecided....................................................... 5%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 46%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 47%
Undecided....................................................... 7%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 42%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 49%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Rick
Perry, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 45%
Rick Perry ....................................................... 45%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

January 14-16, 2011

...really, pretty good for President Obama in a state that he lost by 11.72% in 2008.

President Obama probably wins against Sarah Palin with at least 390 electoral votes even  without Texas (which is about what Clinton did) and about 440 with Texas.



 

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  69
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   71
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 48
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  71
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  56
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   9




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

(
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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  69
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   57
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%62
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  23
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  67
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  38
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  9  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on January 21, 2011, 08:39:33 PM
PALIN FOR PRESIDENT!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on January 21, 2011, 11:21:23 PM
Wierd how Texas is in the same category as Ohio...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 22, 2011, 12:58:00 AM
Wierd how Texas is in the same category as Ohio...

It's not. pbrower forgot to include this in his map:

We also have a Quinnipiac Ohio poll:

49% (+4) Approve
46%  (-3) Disapprove

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1322.xml?ReleaseID=1551


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 22, 2011, 01:08:01 AM
Wierd how Texas is in the same category as Ohio...

It's not. pbrower forgot to include this in his map:

We also have a Quinnipiac Ohio poll:

49% (+4) Approve
46%  (-3) Disapprove

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1322.xml?ReleaseID=1551


Almost as significantly, Senator Sherrod brown looks likely to win re-election.

I am glad to get it right this time. I missed the Q poll:

 

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  69
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   71
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 48
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  71
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  56
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   9




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  69
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   75
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%44
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  23
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  49
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  38
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  9  



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 22, 2011, 10:34:51 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, +1.

Disapprove 48%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 36%, u.

This particular number could be a bad sample, but there seems to be a general improvement in Obama's number beginning 1/7/11.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 22, 2011, 10:45:30 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, +1.

Disapprove 48%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 36%, u.

This particular number could be a bad sample, but there seems to be a general improvement in Obama's number beginning 1/7/11.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eyFiClAzq8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eyFiClAzq8)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Niemeyerite on January 22, 2011, 12:24:23 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, +1.

Disapprove 48%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 36%, u.

This particular number could be a bad sample, but there seems to be a general improvement in Obama's number beginning 1/7/11.

wow! incredible!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 22, 2011, 01:19:40 PM
Gallup is 51-41 today (+1, -1).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 22, 2011, 02:58:04 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, +1.

Disapprove 48%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 36%, u.

This particular number could be a bad sample, but there seems to be a general improvement in Obama's number beginning 1/7/11.

Rasmussen tends to use a tougher (for Democrats) "likely voter" model than do other pollsters, so it isn't that inconsistent.  Rasmussen has been slow to recognize the uptick in support for the President, but the pollster catches on.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on January 23, 2011, 12:30:25 AM
His numbers may tick upwards, I won't deny that possibility....but I have a suspicious feeling the audience for his SOTU address will be pretty low by conventional standards.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 23, 2011, 12:46:27 AM
His numbers may tick upwards, I won't deny that possibility....but I have a suspicious feeling the audience for his SOTU address will be pretty low by conventional standards.

Only four more days, and any such prediction will be obsolete irrespective of its effectiveness as a predictor. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on January 23, 2011, 02:03:06 AM
The guy is really on the move. Heh. I still don't have much use for him but I am amused.

Those Texas numbers are interesting. They certainly fit into my theory of Huckabee being his toughest possible opponent out of the major four. Huckabee would cut through the south like a buzzsaw. The numbers for the other three are really quite dreadful.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 23, 2011, 02:10:47 AM
The guy is really on the move. Heh. I still don't have much use for him but I am amused.

Those Texas numbers are interesting. They certainly fit into my theory of Huckabee being his toughest possible opponent out of the major four. Huckabee would cut through the south like a buzzsaw. The numbers for the other three are really quite dreadful.

I think Romney is the stronger candidate overall. At least he can make states like Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada competetive, Huckabee can't. The South isn't really important for winning the Presidency. Huckabee has also a proven weakness in raising a lot of money (as seen in 2007/2008), while Romney can do that more easily.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BlueSwan on January 23, 2011, 07:19:57 AM
Obamas approval numbers seem to be improving almost every day these days. Hopefully he can deliver a powerful SOTU speech to further improve his standing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Person Man on January 23, 2011, 09:39:14 AM
How did Oklahoma City help Clinton's approvals?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BlueSwan on January 23, 2011, 09:51:31 AM
How did Oklahoma City help Clinton's approvals?
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Quite a lot, as far as I remember.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 23, 2011, 10:02:53 AM
Obama's approvals were on the upswing even before Tucson. You could say it was because of the lame duck successes but OTOH legislative productivity didn't have any positive effect on his numbers before the midterms.

I think the main reason is that suddenly people became more optimistic about the economy. But what happened that changed their perceptions so much? Jobs numbers are still mediocre and incomes are still stagnant. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Person Man on January 23, 2011, 10:34:40 AM
Obama's approvals were on the upswing even before Tucson. You could say it was because of the lame duck successes but OTOH legislative productivity didn't have any positive effect on his numbers before the midterms.

I think the main reason is that suddenly people became more optimistic about the economy. But what happened that changed their perceptions so much? Jobs numbers are still mediocre and incomes are still stagnant. 

Obviously the librul aborshun loving media....I'm actually half serious about this...well, maybe not quite half, but there could be more stories protraying him in a positive light.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 23, 2011, 10:37:05 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, .

Disapprove 49%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 36%, u.

As I said, there may have been a overly pro-Obama number in there, but Obana's numbers improved.

Obama's approvals were on the upswing even before Tucson. You could say it was because of the lame duck successes but OTOH legislative productivity didn't have any positive effect on his numbers before the midterms.

I think the main reason is that suddenly people became more optimistic about the economy. But what happened that changed their perceptions so much? Jobs numbers are still mediocre and incomes are still stagnant.  

Yes, late December there was an uptick, but it didn't hold.  This uptick has been there since 1/7/11, but the numbers were collected prior to the shooting.

Even by the midterms, Obama was off his summer lows (which I noted last fall).



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: riceowl on January 23, 2011, 10:59:41 AM
OK, can someone explain to me what are the reasons behind Obama's spectacular rise?
It's not like something fundamental changed in a month or so to see his numbers surge so dramatically.

If basic reality has changed little -- the economy is still a mess, the Korean Peninsula remains a powderkeg, and we are still in combat in Afghanistan -- perceptions are changing. The flippant attitude that many Americans have toward some right-wing rhetoric is no more.

Time will show whether Americans accept some of the zanier statements and behavior of some elected Republicans. The more pragmatic GOP politicians will likely have no difficulty in winning re-election. The rest? They will have to be in ultra-safe districts.   

You're reading far too much into it. It's clearly the rally effect due to the shooting and his resulting speech. Maybe he can ride it into the next big news cycle and take momentum from it. If not, he's just going to level back out to where he was 3 weeks ago once the media move on to the next story.

And in any case, the majority of Americans think Conservatives were unfairly targeted for their rhetoric, so your theory holds no substance as is.

Gun control, long a third rail, can become a no-lose proposition for the President. Restoration of the assault-weapons ban? Ban on the massacre clips?

The State of the Union Address is on Wednesday night. 

Isn't it Tuesday?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on January 23, 2011, 12:03:22 PM
Obama's approvals were on the upswing even before Tucson. You could say it was because of the lame duck successes but OTOH legislative productivity didn't have any positive effect on his numbers before the midterms.

I think the main reason is that suddenly people became more optimistic about the economy. But what happened that changed their perceptions so much? Jobs numbers are still mediocre and incomes are still stagnant. 
I fact, Gallup has his approval rating start to rise in the very begining of January.  People could be more optimistic because of the new year.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on January 23, 2011, 11:30:58 PM
The guy is really on the move. Heh. I still don't have much use for him but I am amused.

Those Texas numbers are interesting. They certainly fit into my theory of Huckabee being his toughest possible opponent out of the major four. Huckabee would cut through the south like a buzzsaw. The numbers for the other three are really quite dreadful.

I think Romney is the stronger candidate overall. At least he can make states like Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada competetive, Huckabee can't. The South isn't really important for winning the Presidency. Huckabee has also a proven weakness in raising a lot of money (as seen in 2007/2008), while Romney can do that more easily.

Competitive? Maybe. But will he win them in the end? I don't think so. Those aren't exactly the most important states electorally speaking either... or at least they won't be unless the election is very close.

I think the South is still very important. The Republican has to win back Virginia, North Carolina and Florida or it's game over right off the bat. I see Huckabee having an easier time with that than Romney.

You're right about the money though. That is one major problem for Huckabee.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 24, 2011, 09:43:40 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 52%, +2.

Disapprove 47%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 35%, -1.

This is the best Obama number since July of 2009.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CultureKing on January 24, 2011, 10:14:07 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 52%, +2.

Disapprove 47%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 35%, -1.

This is the best Obama number since July of 2009.





Democrats again adoring Obama after feeling 'betrayed'?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on January 24, 2011, 11:22:51 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 52%, +2.

Disapprove 47%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 35%, -1.

This is the best Obama number since July of 2009.





Democrats again adoring Obama after feeling 'betrayed'?

Perhaps people realize the end of the world didn't immediately follow implementation of Obama-backed policy?

Nah... I just think the overall mood of the country is a bit more optimistic right now due to the fact the economic and jobs situation have been moving in the right direction, albeit slowly.  Tucson and the chance to give an uplifting speech, something Obama is good at, didn't hurt his numbers, either. 

I stand by my prediction of 54% on Rasmussen after the SOTU tomorrow.   Probably the high 50s for most other pollsters. 

(is this really shocking?  This always happens with divided government)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Brittain33 on January 24, 2011, 12:30:34 PM
If this keeps up, maybe it will turn out that 2010 was about Pelosi and not Obama after all?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 24, 2011, 01:28:52 PM
If this keeps up, maybe it will turn out that 2010 was about Pelosi and not Obama after all?

So it was. If the special interests who bought the most servile and illiberal House of Representatives ever had gone after president Obama, then they  would have had to wait two years for the effect to take place. The House of Representatives and the Senate were more available. So were state legislatures.

Those special interests wanted a Congress that would fulfill its dreams of an absolute plutocracy: one in which about every liberal challenge to the power of capitalists, big landowners, and executives was no more. These folks want child labor (why waste the athleticism of youth in school when you can have them working for pittances in mines, farms, and factories?) but they want all labor cheap (Abolish the minimum wage!) They want the most crooked ways of doing business  -- Mafia methods in the use of "respectable" people -- as the norm because such maximizes profits.   

We are beginning to see two of the scummiest years in American politics even without Dubya. We are also going to get the most powerful lesson in civics that we could ever get. We already have a governor who has suggested that it would be acceptable to confuse Martin Luther King Day with St. Patrick's Day (regrettably, MLK did not completely drive the snakes out of American political life, as demonstrated in 2010),  and one who told the NAACP that it could kiss his derriere. We had two Congressmen attend a fundraiser/party instead of getting sworn in.  We are going to see what terribly-flawed people do when they get power. We are going to see how government works when unelected lobbyists responsible only to the giant corporations that retain them achieve legislative power.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 25, 2011, 01:41:59 AM
Wow. Rasmussen with 52-47 approval ? Too good to be true ... ;)

Maybe they are pushing Obama's numbers up before the SOTU speech, so that they can show later that he got no bump out of the speech ... :P

Or it's real movement in favor of Obama ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 25, 2011, 02:07:12 AM
CNN/Opinion Research Corporation:

55% Approve
44% Disapprove

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/01/24/rel2a.pdf

There is also a new Maryland poll out today by Gonzales Research with Obama approvals included I guess. We already have Gov. O'Malley's (D) approvals, but the release is not on their site yet, so no Obama numbers yet. I'll post them when I find them:

Quote
O'Malley numbers up in new poll; majority supports same-sex marriage

By John Wagner

A new statewide poll finds Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley's job approval rating higher than it's ever been and includes some encouraging news for advocates of same-sex marriage.

Fifty-eight percent of Maryland voters approve of the way O'Malley (D) is handling his job, while 30 percent disapprove and 13 percent are not sure, according to the poll by Gonzales Research & Marketing Strategies. The approval figure is the highest for O'Malley in a Gonzales poll since he became governor in 2007.

O'Malley's previous high-water mark was 52 percent in March 2007, shortly after taking office. By March 2008, the percentage of those approving had dropped to 37 percent in the wake of a special session in which lawmakers passed multiple tax increases proposed by O'Malley.

"The highly successful campaign O'Malley waged in the fall has him well-positioned to lead during this current legislative session," Gonzales says in the poll results, referring to O'Malley's Nov. 2 victory over former governor Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. (R) by more than 14 percentage points.

The poll also includes good numbers for advocates of same-sex marriage, a high-profile issue this legislative session.

In the poll, 51 percent of voters say they would favor a law in Maryland allowing same-sex couples to marry, while 44 percent opposed such a law and 5 percent gave no response.

If the legislature passes a same-sex marriage bill, it is likely to be petitioned to the ballot for a statewide vote in 2012.

The poll also found 56 percent of voters favoring the death penalty in Maryland, while 36 percent oppose it, with 8 percent giving no response.

Asked another way, however, the results are more encouraging for advocates of repealing the death penalty.

When asked if they believe that the sentence of life without the possibility of parole is an acceptable substitute, 60 percent say it is, while 33 percent say it is not and 7 percent have no opinion.

On another hot-button issue, 45 percent of Maryland voters say that gun control laws should be made stricter, while 24 percent say they should be less strict and 26 percent say they should be kept as they are now.

The Gonzales poll of 802 registered voters who vote regularly was conducted Jan. 13 to Jan. 19. It is said to have a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/annapolis/2011/01/omalley_numbers_up_in_new_poll.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 25, 2011, 02:21:24 AM
PPP/DailyKos still finds something very different in their latest weekly poll:

46% Approve
48% Disapprove

50% Favorable
45% Unfavorable

Public Policy Polling, 1001 Registered Voters, MoE 3.1%, Jan 20, 2011 - Jan 23, 2011.

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/1/20


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on January 25, 2011, 10:38:57 AM
PPP/DailyKos still finds something very different in their latest weekly poll:

46% Approve
48% Disapprove

50% Favorable
45% Unfavorable

Public Policy Polling, 1001 Registered Voters, MoE 3.1%, Jan 20, 2011 - Jan 23, 2011.

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/1/20

Never thought I'd see the day when PPP was giving Obama his lowest approvals : P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 25, 2011, 10:40:21 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 52%, u.

Disapprove 47%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 35%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 25, 2011, 10:41:46 AM
PPP/DailyKos still finds something very different in their latest weekly poll:

46% Approve
48% Disapprove

50% Favorable
45% Unfavorable

Public Policy Polling, 1001 Registered Voters, MoE 3.1%, Jan 20, 2011 - Jan 23, 2011.

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/1/20

Never thought I'd see the day when PPP was giving Obama his lowest approvals : P

How was PPP during the election?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Person Man on January 25, 2011, 11:31:03 AM
52-47/55/44? So, Obama is basicall back to where he started on election night.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on January 25, 2011, 01:36:52 PM
PPP/DailyKos still finds something very different in their latest weekly poll:

46% Approve
48% Disapprove

50% Favorable
45% Unfavorable

Public Policy Polling, 1001 Registered Voters, MoE 3.1%, Jan 20, 2011 - Jan 23, 2011.

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/1/20

Never thought I'd see the day when PPP was giving Obama his lowest approvals : P

How was PPP during the election?

They were actually quite good... but identified as a Democratic polling firm and always had the Obama MOV a little higher than a lot of other pollsters. 

Can't seem to find Nate Silver's compiled averages on fivethirtyeight.com anymore. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 25, 2011, 01:45:13 PM
PPP/DailyKos still finds something very different in their latest weekly poll:

46% Approve
48% Disapprove

50% Favorable
45% Unfavorable

Public Policy Polling, 1001 Registered Voters, MoE 3.1%, Jan 20, 2011 - Jan 23, 2011.

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/1/20

Never thought I'd see the day when PPP was giving Obama his lowest approvals : P

How was PPP during the election?

They had a slight Republican bias in the 2010 elections:

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/04/rasmussen-polls-were-biased-and-inaccurate-quinnipiac-surveyusa-performed-strongly/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on January 25, 2011, 01:51:39 PM
Bizzare to see "Elaine Marshall's pimp" being the outlier.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 25, 2011, 02:19:54 PM
If you want to see an analogue for an incumbent winning 55% or so of the vote, then look to FDR winning his third term.

FDR won 54.74% of the popular vote and 84.6% of the electoral vote. Willkie won 44.78% of the popular vote and 15.4% of the electoral vote, which would result in roughly a 455 - 83 split of the electoral vote with 538 electoral votes to split.

 

  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 25, 2011, 02:24:44 PM

Maryland (Gonzales Research):

54% (+2) Approve
40%  (-3) Disapprove

...

By party, 77% of Democrats approve of the job Obama is doing, while 85% of Republicans disapprove. With independents, 50% approve and 45% disapprove. Among African-American voters in the state, 90% approve of the job President Obama is doing.

...

This survey was conducted by Gonzales Research & Marketing Strategies from January 13th through January 19th, 2011. A total of 802 registered voters in Maryland who vote regularly were interviewed by telephone. A cross-section of interviews was conducted in each jurisdiction within the state to reflect general election voting patterns.

The margin of error (MOE), according to customary statistical standards, is no more than plus or minus 3.5 percentage points. There is a 95 percent probability that the “true” figures would fall within this range if the entire survey universe were sampled. The margin for error is higher for any demographic subgroup, such as gender or race.

Patrick E. Gonzales graduated from the University of Baltimore in 1981 with a degree in political science. He began his career as an analyst with Mason-Dixon Opinion Research and is the former president of Mason-Dixon Campaign Polling.

Mr. Gonzales has polled and analyzed hundreds of elections in Maryland since the mid 1980’s. Additionally, he and his associates have conducted numerous market research projects and crafted message development programs for businesses and organizations throughout the state.

http://www.wbaltv.com/pdf/26601114/detail.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Person Man on January 25, 2011, 02:25:57 PM
In 2012, I am guessing if Obama did two better and got to 54.65%, he would probably win Missouri, Montana and MAYBE Georgia. The Dakotas and Arizona may swing, too...but that would be unlikely. It would be pretty funny to ask someone about South Dakota the following morning.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 25, 2011, 02:28:41 PM
In 2012, I am guessing if Obama did two better and got to 54.65%, he would probably win Missouri, Montana and MAYBE Georgia. The Dakotas and Arizona may swing, too...but that would be unlikely. It would be pretty funny to ask someone about South Dakota the following morning.

Montana that close in 2008 was pretty much a fluke I think and it helped Obama that Ron Paul was on the ballot. I think it will trend away from Obama again in 2012 as PPP indicated with their Montana poll a month ago or so.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 25, 2011, 02:44:04 PM
Obama, 49-47, North Carolina, PPP.  It looks as if 2012 is going to be a disaster for the GOP in the Presidential race, and it has nothing to do with the Mayan calendar.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_0125925.pdf

Quote
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 49%
Disapprove...................................................... 47%
Not sure .......................................................... 4%

Q6 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 50%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 44%
Undecided....................................................... 7%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mike
Huckabee, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 49%
Mike Huckabee ............................................... 45%
Undecided....................................................... 6%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 50%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 41%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 47%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 44%
Undecided....................................................... 9%


...Sarah Palin's star is fading fast:
Quote
Q4 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of Sarah Palin?
Favorable........................................................ 39%
Unfavorable .................................................... 55%
Not sure .......................................................... 6%

Maryland --  No big surprise there. Obama would win this state in a landslide.

Quote
Maryland (Gonzales Research):

54% (+2) Approve
40%  (-3) Disapprove

PPP gave a poll involving new WV Senator Joe Manchin, whose approval rating is 52%. That poll asked nothing about President Obama. Republicans will have BIG problems downticket in states other than West Virginia if they can't hold West Virginia in the Presidential election. PPP so far says that President Obama's chances of winning West Virginia are "very dim", but it has no poll on the President there.





 

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)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)

District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,  3               
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  79
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   86
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 33
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  71
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  56
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   9




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                 
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  79
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   90
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 29
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  23
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  49
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  38
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  9  




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 25, 2011, 02:50:31 PM
SurveyUSA, Mid-January:

California: 51-45

Kansas: 33-63

Washington: 41-57 (LOL)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Person Man on January 25, 2011, 02:52:54 PM
In 2012, I am guessing if Obama did two better and got to 54.65%, he would probably win Missouri, Montana and MAYBE Georgia. The Dakotas and Arizona may swing, too...but that would be unlikely. It would be pretty funny to ask someone about South Dakota the following morning.

Montana that close in 2008 was pretty much a fluke I think and it helped Obama that Ron Paul was on the ballot. I think it will trend away from Obama again in 2012 as PPP indicated with their Montana poll a month ago or so.

I'm guessing that Obama will instead move in on states that are beginning to be open to voting for him? He's kinda unpopular in Texas, but there seems to be an openness to vote for him. I also wonder what's happening in Arizona and Georgia. Missouri looks better for him, too.  What's interesting is is that though so my EVs have trended to the GOP, the Democratcs  are simply making up for it by moving after them.


SurveyUSA, Mid-January:

California: 51-45

Kansas: 33-63

Washington: 41-57 (LOL)

Fail.   Maybe if he was behind like 10 in the polls and was off to a Carter-like defeat. That's the Republican wet dream, isn't it?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 25, 2011, 02:58:13 PM
In 2012, I am guessing if Obama did two better and got to 54.65%, he would probably win Missouri, Montana and MAYBE Georgia. The Dakotas and Arizona may swing, too...but that would be unlikely. It would be pretty funny to ask someone about South Dakota the following morning.

Montana that close in 2008 was pretty much a fluke I think and it helped Obama that Ron Paul was on the ballot. I think it will trend away from Obama again in 2012 as PPP indicated with their Montana poll a month ago or so.

I'm guessing that Obama will instead move in on states that are beginning to be open to voting for him? He's kinda unpopular in Texas, but there seems to be an openness to vote for him. I also wonder what's happening in Arizona and Georgia. Missouri looks better for him, too.  What's interesting is is that though so my EVs have trended to the GOP, the Democratcs  are simply making up for it by moving after them.


SurveyUSA, Mid-January:

California: 51-45

Kansas: 33-63

Washington: 41-57 (LOL)

Fail.   Maybe if he was behind like 10 in the polls and was off to a Carter-like defeat. That's the Republican wet dream, isn't it?

Yeah. Normally, SUSA's general election polls are very good, but their state approval polls are an abysmal failure.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on January 25, 2011, 11:43:01 PM
Oh well, whatever the polls are regardless of PPP or Rasmussen, gotta put it on the 2012 map, that includes Washington.

It's irony how you guys favor PPP (a Dem leaning polster) over the others.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 26, 2011, 12:30:24 AM
Oh well, whatever the polls are regardless of PPP or Rasmussen, gotta put it on the 2012 map, that includes Washington.

It's irony how you guys favor PPP (a Dem leaning polster) over the others.

Rasmussen hasn't given any statewide polls lately, so we can hardly exclude those. I quit using them when those were available only on a subscription basis. That's the only reason for rejecting then -- because I am a cheapskate and I am not in the business. 

PPP has lately offered more statewide polls than anyone else. Of course I have included Quinnipiac.

As a rule, I reject pollsters who lack independence or consistently offer suspect results. Someone polling for a political party, a union, a trade association, fringe media or groups, or a 527 group like  American Crossroads is unlikely to get an unbiased result. As I have shown, I would reject a poll that shows 65% approval for the President in Oklahoma or 35% approval for the President in Vermont when nationwide polls suggest 50% is suspect. Would you trust a poll from the NAACP or NARAL? 

SurveyUSA has shown such off-the-wall results that I see no cause to believe them.

Rasmussen has shown nationwide approval and disapproval very consistently. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 26, 2011, 02:55:30 AM
As a rule, I reject pollsters who lack independence or consistently offer suspect results. Someone polling for a political party, a union, a trade association, fringe media or groups, or a 527 group like  American Crossroads is unlikely to get an unbiased result. As I have shown, I would reject a poll that shows 65% approval for the President in Oklahoma or 35% approval for the President in Vermont when nationwide polls suggest 50% is suspect. Would you trust a poll from the NAACP or NARAL? 

What about someone who does polling for a left wing blog (PPP for Daily Kos) or someone who has done polling for Fox News (Rasmussen)?  At one point, you were explicitly excluding Fox polls:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=91754.6270


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 26, 2011, 04:18:34 AM
As a rule, I reject pollsters who lack independence or consistently offer suspect results. Someone polling for a political party, a union, a trade association, fringe media or groups, or a 527 group like  American Crossroads is unlikely to get an unbiased result. As I have shown, I would reject a poll that shows 65% approval for the President in Oklahoma or 35% approval for the President in Vermont when nationwide polls suggest 50% is suspect. Would you trust a poll from the NAACP or NARAL?

What about someone who does polling for a left wing blog (PPP for Daily Kos) or someone who has done polling for Fox News (Rasmussen)?  At one point, you were explicitly excluding Fox polls:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=91754.6270


"Has done" is excused unless one has evidence of plagiarism or fabrication (which was exposed with an entity known as Strategic Vision that was operating out of a strip mall far from any city and whose ownership could say little about itself. "Is doing" might not be so reliable.

In 2008, FoX actually had a reliable pollster (Opinion Dynamics) which usually got things right. Rasmussen did the polls that FoX sought to push the agenda.

Rasmussen was OK when independent. The difference between Rasmussen and other pollsters is is that Rasmussen uses a "likely voters" screen that tends to favor Republicans. It tends to underestimate youth vote in a Presidential election.

Daily Kos had one pollster that was giving mid-50s ratings for the President when everyone else was giving approvals in the forties. Daily Kos quit using that pollster after finding some questionable methodology.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 26, 2011, 11:03:23 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, -2.

Disapprove 48%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, +2.

Please note that these are pres SOTU numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: America™ on January 26, 2011, 04:23:22 PM
And the Tucson jump is over.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on January 26, 2011, 05:55:17 PM

Still, not being in the negatives is a good sign.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on January 27, 2011, 01:54:25 AM

I love the ridiculous overreactions in this thread.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on January 27, 2011, 11:42:59 AM
Oh wow, Obama is at 50% on Rasmussen he's doing terribly! /sarcasm.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on January 27, 2011, 01:16:51 PM
Yay, lets all worship Obama likes he's the best savior like god. He will save the US from armageddon. Not...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 27, 2011, 01:41:09 PM
West Virginia will not be reverting to its pre-2000 norm of voting for a Democratic nominee for President  unless things change drastically. Barack Obama remains at the least the wrong sort of Democrat to win West Virginia.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_WV_0127.pdf

Quote
West Virginia Survey Results


Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of Barack
Obama’s job performance?
Approve................. 34%
Disapprove............ 58%
Not sure ................ 8%

Q6 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 39%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 49%
Undecided....................................................... 12%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mike
Huckabee, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 36%
Mike Huckabee ............................................... 54%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 42%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 46%
Undecided....................................................... 12%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 37%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 50%
Undecided....................................................... 13%



The likely reason behind President Obama not winning over the hearts and minds of West Virginians:

Quote
Q10 Would you describe yourself as a liberal,
moderate, or conservative?
Liberal ............................................................. 15%
Moderate......................................................... 40%
Conservative................................................... 45%

 

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)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)

District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,  3               
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  79
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   86
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 33
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  71
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  56
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   14




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                 
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  79
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   90
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 29
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  23
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  49
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  38
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  14  





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on January 27, 2011, 02:04:56 PM
Wow, he even loses by 4% to Palin in WV. I guess WV won't vote for a black man under any circumstances!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 27, 2011, 02:17:29 PM
Oregon (SurveyUSA): 51-45

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=87dabdb7-5435-402e-891e-11b3bf475127

New York (Quinnipiac): 53-40

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1553


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 27, 2011, 02:55:52 PM
Oregon (SurveyUSA): 51-45

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=87dabdb7-5435-402e-891e-11b3bf475127

New York (Quinnipiac): 53-40

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1553

Both make sense. SurveyUSA may still be a bit low for Oregon, so it might still be 'provisional'.

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)

District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,  3               
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  108
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   64
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 26
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  71
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  56
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   14




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                 
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  108
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   64
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 26
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  23
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  49
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  38
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  14  





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: riceowl on January 27, 2011, 03:09:26 PM
is today's rasmussen really 47/51?  where is it??!!?!?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 27, 2011, 07:29:41 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, -3.

Disapprove 51%, +3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, +2.

It could be a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 28, 2011, 09:39:28 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, +2.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, -1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 29, 2011, 01:47:08 AM
NY (Marist):

53% Excellent/Good
47% Fair/Poor

This survey of 751 New York State registered voters was conducted on January 24th through January 26th, 2011. Registered voters were interviewed by telephone in proportion to the voter registration in each county in New York and adjusted for turnout in statewide elections. Telephone numbers were selected based upon a list of telephone exchanges from throughout the state. The exchanges were selected to ensure that each region was represented in proportion to its turnout in comparable elections. To increase coverage, this land-line sample was supplemented by respondents reached through random dialing of cell phone numbers. The two samples were then combined. Results are statistically significant within ±4.0 percentage points.

http://content.ny1.com/downloads/gillibrand_poll.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on January 29, 2011, 01:38:23 PM
Incorporating Fair and Poor in the same category is very odd. I'd give the President a "fair" job, and I still think he's doing better than any Republican in next year's field would.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 29, 2011, 03:03:17 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, u.

Disapprove 49%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, -1.

Probably the last day of a bad Obama sample.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on January 30, 2011, 12:07:47 AM
NY (Marist):

53% Excellent/Good
47% Fair/Poor

This survey of 751 New York State registered voters was conducted on January 24th through January 26th, 2011. Registered voters were interviewed by telephone in proportion to the voter registration in each county in New York and adjusted for turnout in statewide elections. Telephone numbers were selected based upon a list of telephone exchanges from throughout the state. The exchanges were selected to ensure that each region was represented in proportion to its turnout in comparable elections. To increase coverage, this land-line sample was supplemented by respondents reached through random dialing of cell phone numbers. The two samples were then combined. Results are statistically significant within ±4.0 percentage points.

http://content.ny1.com/downloads/gillibrand_poll.pdf

Umm no.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 30, 2011, 01:31:09 AM
NY (Marist):

53% Excellent/Good
47% Fair/Poor

This survey of 751 New York State registered voters was conducted on January 24th through January 26th, 2011. Registered voters were interviewed by telephone in proportion to the voter registration in each county in New York and adjusted for turnout in statewide elections. Telephone numbers were selected based upon a list of telephone exchanges from throughout the state. The exchanges were selected to ensure that each region was represented in proportion to its turnout in comparable elections. To increase coverage, this land-line sample was supplemented by respondents reached through random dialing of cell phone numbers. The two samples were then combined. Results are statistically significant within ±4.0 percentage points.

http://content.ny1.com/downloads/gillibrand_poll.pdf

Umm no.

Excellent/Good always tends to show slightly lower values than Approve/Disapprove.

It probably means that Obama is somewhere between 55-60% approval in NY.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: izixs on January 30, 2011, 02:41:39 AM
Tis different meanings for what fair means for folks. For some, compared to the other more positive options, it means bad but not horrible. To others, good and fair are interchangeable. And to others, Good and Excellent are almost the same so fair is the middle ground of default.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on January 30, 2011, 05:26:16 AM
NY (Marist):

53% Excellent/Good
47% Fair/Poor

This survey of 751 New York State registered voters was conducted on January 24th through January 26th, 2011. Registered voters were interviewed by telephone in proportion to the voter registration in each county in New York and adjusted for turnout in statewide elections. Telephone numbers were selected based upon a list of telephone exchanges from throughout the state. The exchanges were selected to ensure that each region was represented in proportion to its turnout in comparable elections. To increase coverage, this land-line sample was supplemented by respondents reached through random dialing of cell phone numbers. The two samples were then combined. Results are statistically significant within ±4.0 percentage points.

http://content.ny1.com/downloads/gillibrand_poll.pdf

Umm no.

Excellent/Good always tends to show slightly lower values than Approve/Disapprove.

It probably means that Obama is somewhere between 55-60% approval in NY.

I realize that but it still looks pretty low to me.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on January 30, 2011, 05:30:21 AM
"Fair."  I've said this before, and will say it again:  I think a lot of people do not realize that "Fair" is considered a bad thing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 30, 2011, 09:20:24 AM
"Fair."  I've said this before, and will say it again:  I think a lot of people do not realize that "Fair" is considered a bad thing.

It might be considered more neutral out of those ratings.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 30, 2011, 10:37:59 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, +1.

Disapprove 48%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 36%, -1.

A bad Obama sample dropped off.

There was no SOTU bounce.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on January 30, 2011, 12:28:16 PM
"Fair."  I've said this before, and will say it again:  I think a lot of people do not realize that "Fair" is considered a bad thing.
Wait, "fair" is considered bad?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on January 30, 2011, 01:51:26 PM
SOTU bumps aren't actually a thing. Really Obama had as much of a chance of going down and he did going up after the speech:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on January 30, 2011, 10:34:31 PM
"Fair."  I've said this before, and will say it again:  I think a lot of people do not realize that "Fair" is considered a bad thing.
Wait, "fair" is considered bad?

     My reaction as well. I've always wondered how some pollsters got the idea that using Excellent/Good/Fair/Poor for ratings was anything other than a terrible idea.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Person Man on January 30, 2011, 10:48:02 PM
Generally, I think "fair" means neither good nor bad.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on January 30, 2011, 11:06:32 PM
SOTU bumps aren't actually a thing. Really Obama had as much of a chance of going down and he did going up after the speech:

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What did Clinton do to jump 10 points?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on January 30, 2011, 11:40:24 PM
Wasn't that the same time as the Lewinsky denial???


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Stranger in a strange land on January 31, 2011, 01:13:53 AM
Wasn't that the same time as the Lewinsky denial???

Yes, indeed it was. I've always found it amusing how Clinton's approval ratings remained consistently high throughout the Lewinsky scandal.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 31, 2011, 05:51:06 PM
Nebraska, PPP.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NE_0131.pdf

This is complicated because the state splits its electoral votes. Statewide, Obama loses the state as a whole, but he wins the Second Congressional District against everyone else (here I take PPP at its word even if there is no specific poll shown for NE-02). One of the oddities of the 2008 election is preserved as a prospect for 2012.


Sarah Palin comes close to losing this very conservative state -- probably losing two Congressional Districts but winning the state at large, unless she slips even further. (She would win three electoral votes in Nebraska and Obama would win two, to make it clear).

Remember:

NE-01 (eastern Nebraska except for Greater Omaha. including Lincoln) voted like Texas and probably would do so again.

NE-02 (Greater Omaha within Nebraska) voted like Indiana in 2008 and I will reserve judgment on what state I compare it to -- until I see a poll for Indiana.

NE-03 (central and western Nebraska, including Scottsbluff and Grand Island) is one of the most conservative districts in America  and votes much like Wyoming.

Quote
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 38%
Disapprove...................................................... 56%
Not sure .......................................................... 6%

Q6 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 40%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 48%
Undecided....................................................... 12%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mike
Huckabee, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 38%
Mike Huckabee ............................................... 51%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 44%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 45%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 37%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 49%
Undecided....................................................... 15%
 

All major Republicans candidates project to do worse than did John McCain.  I am guessing that President Obama loses NE-01 by a high-single digit margin to the strongest Republican candidate (which I go with; Sarah Palin may completely disappear as a relevant candidate if she continues to fade in opinion polls).


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,  3                
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  108
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   64
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 27
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  71
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  56
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  4
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   17




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  108
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   64
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 27
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  23
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  49
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  38
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  4
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  17  






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on January 31, 2011, 09:28:30 PM
Quote
Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 44%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 45%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

hahaha


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 01, 2011, 01:25:35 AM
Side note for pbrower2a's map:

Obama's approvals are actually broken down by Congressional District in the PPP release:

CD1: 35-57
CD2: 51-45
CD3: 28-67

(page 15)

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NE_0131.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 01, 2011, 03:02:19 AM
Nebraska, PPP.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NE_0131.pdf

This is complicated because the state splits its electoral votes. Statewide, Obama loses the state as a whole, but he wins the Second Congressional District against everyone else (here I take PPP at its word even if there is no specific poll shown for NE-02). One of the oddities of the 2008 election is preserved as a prospect for 2012.


Sarah Palin comes close to losing this very conservative state -- probably losing two Congressional Districts but winning the state at large, unless she slips even further. (She would win three electoral votes in Nebraska and Obama would win two, to make it clear).

Remember:

NE-01 (eastern Nebraska except for Greater Omaha. including Lincoln) voted like Texas and probably would do so again.

NE-02 (Greater Omaha within Nebraska) voted like Indiana in 2008 and I will reserve judgment on what state I compare it to -- until I see a poll for Indiana.

NE-03 (central and western Nebraska, including Scottsbluff and Grand Island) is one of the most conservative districts in America  and votes much like Wyoming.

Quote
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 38%
Disapprove...................................................... 56%
Not sure .......................................................... 6%

Q6 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 40%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 48%
Undecided....................................................... 12%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mike
Huckabee, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 38%
Mike Huckabee ............................................... 51%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 44%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 45%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 37%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 49%
Undecided....................................................... 15%
 

All major Republican candidates project to do worse than did John McCain. I am guessing that President Obama loses NE-01 by a high-single digit margin to the strongest Republican candidate (which I go with; Sarah Palin may completely disappear as a relevant candidate if she continues to fade in opinion polls).

Thank you, Tender Branson, for finding what I was looking for.

Side note for pbrower2a's map:

Obama's approvals are actually broken down by Congressional District in the PPP release:

CD1: 35-57
CD2: 51-45
CD3: 28-67

(page 15)

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NE_0131.pdf

Guesswork reworked for more reliable results.  


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,  3                
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   64
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 26
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  71
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  56
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   18




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   64
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 26
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  23
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  49
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  38
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18  







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 01, 2011, 01:01:43 PM
Rasmussen Reports (February 1, 2011):


Presidential Approval: 50% approve (29% strongly)
                                    49% disapprove (40% strongly).

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 01, 2011, 02:18:15 PM
PPP/DailyKos now has seen the light in their weekly poll !

50% Approve
45% Disapprove

52% Favorable
44% Unfavorable

50% Obama
44% Generic Republican

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/1/27


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 01, 2011, 04:29:38 PM
South Dakota, PPP.

If Senator John Thune were the GOP nominee, he would do better than George McGovern did at least in his own state. Note that he does about 10% better than Huckabee or Romney; take your pick on which one is closer to being "Generic Republican". You can play little games to see how much difference the Favorite Son effect had in the same State in 1972 (contrast 1972 to 1976 or North Dakota to South Dakota in 1972).



Notably, Obama not only defeats Sarah Palin, but also Newt Gingrich. He does not beat either Huckabee  or Romney.    A 42% approval rating is pretty good for a state that the incumbent lost about 54-45. The state would probably be close to an Obama win against anyone but John Thune  (safe for the GOP) or Sarah Palin (GOP disaster!)

2012 GE matchups:

37% Obama
57% Thune

41% Obama
47% Huckabee

40% Obama
46% Romney

44% Obama
42% Gingrich

48% Obama
40% Palin

Obama Approval Rating:

42-49

Thune Approval Rating:

58-31

Favorable Ratings:

40-30 Huckabee
35-34 Romney
31-43 Gingrich
37-55 Palin

PPP surveyed 1,045 South Dakota voters from January 28th to 30th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-3.0%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_SD_0201513.pdf




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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,  3                
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   64
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 26
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  71
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  41
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   18




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

(This time I am recalling Virginia, where in November no Republican stood to win against Obama in a PPP poll.)

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   64
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 26
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  10
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  62
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  41
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18  








Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 01, 2011, 05:36:21 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, u.

Disapprove 49%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, +2.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: exopolitician on February 01, 2011, 05:38:32 PM
I wonder how the situation in Egypt will effect, if at all, his numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 01, 2011, 09:53:28 PM
I wonder how the situation in Egypt will effect, if at all, his numbers.

It's a high-risk, low-reward situation. The President must underplay his role.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on February 02, 2011, 01:29:27 AM
I wonder how the situation in Egypt will effect, if at all, his numbers.

I'd be very surprised if it impacted his numbers at all. Sadly, I'd imagine many (if not most) Americans don't even realize anything is happening there... and surely some of the Americans that do don't care about it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BlueSwan on February 02, 2011, 11:06:24 AM
I wonder how the situation in Egypt will effect, if at all, his numbers.

I'd be very surprised if it impacted his numbers at all. Sadly, I'd imagine many (if not most) Americans don't even realize anything is happening there... and surely some of the Americans that do don't care about it.
Let's face it, how many Americans would even be able to point out Egypt on a map?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on February 02, 2011, 11:18:35 AM
Obama Approval rating January 2011 (Gallup):

49% Approve

43% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 47/39 (January 1979)

Reagan: 36/54 (January 1983)

Bush I: 75/18 (January 1991)

Clinton: 47/45 (January 1995)

Bush II: 60/35 (January 2003)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 02, 2011, 11:39:49 AM
Arizona, PPP

Clinton won the state once (1996); Truman won it (1948). The only State not formerly part of the Confederacy to vote for Goldwater in 1964, it did go to its Favorite Son in 1964. It would have been close in 2008 had it not had a Favorite Son that year, which it won't have this time.   It looks like a close state in 2012, and the GOP certainly can't afford that. 45% approval now? That suggests about a 50-50 chance either way.

Two of the four most obvious potential GOP nominees win based on current polling; one ties, and Palin loses this state. But that is before the re-election campaign begins.

President Obama can win without Arizona; he'd have to win all  states that Dubya never won, Colorado, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, and New Mexico first, which themselves would ensure a bare Obama victory. He'd also win Virginia, Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, and either Indiana or Missouri first and perhaps Georgia to have a real shot at Arizona.    
  
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_AZ_0202806.pdf

Quote
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 45%
Disapprove...................................................... 51%
Not sure .......................................................... 4%

Q6 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 46%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 46%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mike
Huckabee, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 44%
Mike Huckabee ............................................... 48%
Undecided....................................................... 8%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 49%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 41%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 43%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 49%
Undecided....................................................... 8%




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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,  3                
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   64
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 26
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  83
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  41
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   18




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

(This time I am recalling Virginia, where in November no Republican stood to win against Obama in a PPP poll.)

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   64
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 26
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  22
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  62
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  41
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 02, 2011, 12:32:42 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, -1.

Disapprove 50%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, -u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +1.

Though well of the high, Obama's Strongly Disapprove number has jumped 6 points in just over a week.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on February 02, 2011, 03:46:05 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, -1.

Disapprove 50%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, -u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +1.

Though well of the high, Obama's Strongly Disapprove number has jumped 6 points in just over a week.

Polarization, most likely.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 03, 2011, 10:57:48 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, -2.

Disapprove 53%, +3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

I would not read too much into this; it could be an anti-Obama sample working through the system.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on February 03, 2011, 01:16:53 PM
Okay, now its just getting sad.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 03, 2011, 02:45:47 PM
FL (Quinnipiac):

47-49

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1555


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 03, 2011, 04:03:38 PM
Modified from a prior, now deleted post, to save space and recognize a significant change:  


South Carolina (PPP):

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_SC_02021210.pdf

Quote
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 44%
Disapprove...................................................... 52%
Not sure .......................................................... 4%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 44%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 43%
Undecided....................................................... 12%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mike
Huckabee, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 43%
Mike Huckabee ............................................... 49%
Undecided....................................................... 8%
Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 47%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 41%
Undecided....................................................... 12%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 42%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 49%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Jim
DeMint, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 45%
Jim DeMint...................................................... 47%
Undecided....................................................... 8%


A potential Favorite Son wins the state, and  both Huckabee or Romney do about as well. Gingrich loses a state that borders his and has similar demographics.  Sarah Palin? Any Republican intent on defeating President Obama had better look elsewhere.

Republicans must win this state decisively to win the Presidency -- and I would best describe the state as "shaky Republican".  

FL (Quinnipiac):

47-49

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1555

....

PPP just had a poll for the US Senate in California, and Diane Feinstein crushes everyone. I wouldn't lose any sleep over any chances of the GOP to win California in the Presidential election.  




 


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,  3                
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   64
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 53
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  63
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  41
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   18




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries.

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   64
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 55
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  10
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  33
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 23
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  38
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18  



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on February 04, 2011, 08:47:27 AM
FL (Quinnipiac):

47-49

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1555

I wish they had polled some 2012 match-ups.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 04, 2011, 10:18:16 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, -1.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -1.

Possibly just a bad sample, however, the Strongly Approved number shown a prop outside of the sample range (though possibly not to dramatic). 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Niemeyerite on February 04, 2011, 12:30:41 PM
JJ that numbers don't make sense.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 04, 2011, 02:05:18 PM

Gallup is also down to 46-46 today.

Don't know what caused the fall, maybe Egypt or something else ?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on February 04, 2011, 02:09:03 PM
Maybe his terrible SOTU address.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 04, 2011, 02:10:36 PM

Not really, his numbers remained high through the weekend and most people should have formed an opinion about the SOTU speech by then. Besides the speech was seen widely positive. It must have been something after that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on February 04, 2011, 02:32:46 PM
How about we wait a few days before jumping to conclusions?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on February 04, 2011, 03:32:55 PM
How about we wait a few days before jumping to conclusions?

Agreed. In Gallup, it's about a four point drop. Not that much, and it could be anything. Seeing how no large event has occured in the US in the past 5 days, I doubt the President's numbers are on a downward trajectory.

People know about Egypt, but that is not enough to change their opinions on the President entirely. Most likely, a few more people who are concerned about the situation in Egypt, who generally support the President, are uneasy and replied "Not Sure". 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Likely Voter on February 04, 2011, 03:42:53 PM
If it was just Gallup or just Rasmussen I would dismiss this as a blip, but with both dipping sharply at the same time makes it appear that something is going on. The only major event has been Egypt, but it is hard to see how anything he has done regarding Egypt. It would be interesting to see inside the numbers to see if the dip is more with one group or another.  It could be that some republicans and right leaning indies that started moving towards him after lame duck, Tuscon speech and SOTU have been freaked out by fears of Egypt turning into another Iran, which seems to be all they talk about on FOX these days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on February 04, 2011, 04:09:39 PM
If this is real movement, it is certainly because of Egypt.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Niemeyerite on February 04, 2011, 06:12:57 PM
I was trying to say that Obama's disapproval numbers (53%) didn't change, and JJ said they fell 2%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on February 04, 2011, 06:36:46 PM
He has handled Egypt pretty well up to now, so I don't see why his numbers would slide due to it. I guess Americans just like interventionist foreign policy. ::)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on February 04, 2011, 06:44:21 PM
He has handled Egypt pretty well up to now, so I don't see why his numbers would slide due to it. I guess Americans just like interventionist foreign policy. ::)

It's one of those situations of a no win situation for any President.


Also, Obama has a penchant for losing ground whenever a foreign crisis erupts going back to the Georgia invasion by Russia.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on February 04, 2011, 07:08:04 PM
He has handled Egypt pretty well up to now, so I don't see why his numbers would slide due to it. I guess Americans just like interventionist foreign policy. ::)

It's one of those situations of a no win situation for any President.


Also, Obama has a penchant for losing ground whenever a foreign crisis erupts going back to the Georgia invasion by Russia.

The Georgia invasion was during the Bush administration. (mid-2008)

Also, Obama's handling of Egypt has been beyond incompetent.  That being said, if this is a change in approval of Obama, it happened when the major event was Mubarek/Army pushback and Obama's open call for regime change in Egypt.  Not that this is any proof of any change, of course.  Got to wait a couple of weeks.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on February 04, 2011, 07:13:02 PM
He has handled Egypt pretty well up to now, so I don't see why his numbers would slide due to it. I guess Americans just like interventionist foreign policy. ::)

It's one of those situations of a no win situation for any President.


Also, Obama has a penchant for losing ground whenever a foreign crisis erupts going back to the Georgia invasion by Russia.

The Georgia invasion was during the Bush administration. (mid-2008)

Also, Obama's handling of Egypt has been beyond incompetent.  That being said, if this is a change in approval of Obama, it happened when the major event was Mubarek/Army pushback and Obama's open call for regime change in Egypt.  Not that this is any proof of any change, of course.  Got to wait a couple of weeks.

Really, No sh**t.  Notice I said "lose ground". I didn't say what he lost ground in. ::)

Actually there may be a trend of this going back to Musharaff's ouster in Pakistan in around the end of 2007/early 2008.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 04, 2011, 07:52:02 PM

Sorry, the Disapproved numbers were unchanged.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 04, 2011, 07:56:16 PM

Gallup is also down to 46-46 today.

Don't know what caused the fall, maybe Egypt or something else ?

Or the related subject of gas prices?

On Rasmussen, it could be be a blip, but the strongly disapprove numbers have been rising.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on February 04, 2011, 08:15:37 PM
Also, Obama's handling of Egypt has been beyond incompetent. 

Yeah, just imagine if there was an experienced grown-up at the White House during these difficult times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on February 04, 2011, 09:15:59 PM

Also, Obama's handling of Egypt has been beyond incompetent. 

Crushing the protests wouldn't have been competent. Especially since we were cool with the one in Tunisia. That would not look good.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on February 04, 2011, 09:36:05 PM

Gallup is also down to 46-46 today.

Don't know what caused the fall, maybe Egypt or something else ?

Or the related subject of gas prices?

On Rasmussen, it could be be a blip, but the strongly disapprove numbers have been rising.

Rasmussen, at 53% Dissaproval, is likely a blip, and seems to be polling 2-3% lower for the President than other pollsters.

Really, since the majority of Americans probably don't even know or care about the Egyptian Crisis, I highly doubt his approval is taking a major dip because of it. Moreso, as I said earlier, it's likely because of a few of his supporters getting uneasy about the crisis and answering "Not Sure", which would explain Gallup's 46-46 today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on February 04, 2011, 11:02:32 PM
Spade is such a realist.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on February 04, 2011, 11:31:14 PM
I honestly can't think of anything in particular about Obama's handling of the Egypt situation that would cause a drop in approval, one reason why I'm sceptical of these signifying something other than a blip.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on February 04, 2011, 11:40:56 PM
I honestly can't think of anything in particular about Obama's handling of the Egypt situation that would cause a drop in approval, one reason why I'm sceptical of these signifying something other than a blip.

It might a temporary boost fading.  He didn't really do anything significant that would have raised his numbers in the first place (despite giving a mediocre SOTU speech), so it be that he just got a moderate, temporary bump in approval after the New Year elections and it's sliding back into more "normal" territory for him.

But i agree with you that we need to wait before this can be called official movement.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on February 05, 2011, 12:23:13 AM
I honestly can't think of anything in particular about Obama's handling of the Egypt situation that would cause a drop in approval, one reason why I'm sceptical of these signifying something other than a blip.

It might a temporary boost fading.  He didn't really do anything significant that would have raised his numbers in the first place (despite giving a mediocre SOTU speech), so it be that he just got a moderate, temporary bump in approval after the New Year elections and it's sliding back into more "normal" territory for him.

But i agree with you that we need to wait before this can be called official movement.

Guys, his approval range is going to change a bit soon. It's got to go up or down at some point.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 05, 2011, 01:34:28 AM
He has handled Egypt pretty well up to now, so I don't see why his numbers would slide due to it. I guess Americans just like interventionist foreign policy. ::)

It's one of those situations of a no win situation for any President.


Also, Obama has a penchant for losing ground whenever a foreign crisis erupts going back to the Georgia invasion by Russia.

The Georgia invasion was during the Bush administration. (mid-2008)

Also, Obama's handling of Egypt has been beyond incompetent.  That being said, if this is a change in approval of Obama, it happened when the major event was Mubarek/Army pushback and Obama's open call for regime change in Egypt.  Not that this is any proof of any change, of course.  Got to wait a couple of weeks.

It's hard to intervene  in a revolution and not get burned badly. Incompetent? What, really, can the President do? Whose side does the US government want to take? Even if the US had troops in Egypt, this would be "stay in your barracks" time.

Regime change is a certainty in Egypt. The question is whether moderates or anti-American interests predominate. Hosni Mubarak is beyond any possibility of propping up.

So far there seems to be little anti-Americanism. This isn't Iran in 1979.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 05, 2011, 02:02:40 AM
GA Insight 20/20:

47% Obama
43% Palin

50% Romney
44% Obama

50% Huckabee
45% Obama

47% Gingrich
45% Obama

...

2008 vote:

50% McCain
42% Obama

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B_KEK8-LWmzhOGM5OTQzNDMtNjdjZC00OWZlLThlMTgtZDFjM2JjN2Q2OWM1&hl=en&pli=1

Pollster with some promise.

Unfortunately this poll asks for an approval rating ranging from 1 (very poor) to 5 (very good), which does not boil down to an "Approve/Disapprove" response very easily. Ratings tend either toward "1" or "5", as the demographics of Georgia might suggest. if you ignore the "3" category as an indistinguishable middle, the results probably boil down to  42-50, which is about what I would guess for now.

Georgia looks as if it would vote roughly as it did in 2008, barring major changes in basic realities in America between now and November 2012. But I am putting an "S" on Georgia because the results are not so clearly translated into "approve/disapprove".

Huckabee and Romney would win by single-digit margins, and Gingrich by only a narrow margin. Sarah Palin is becoming a sick political joke; she loses about as Huckabee or Romney would win.  Gingrich does weakly enough in his home state that I can only wonder whether he would fare well in some Southern states not already polled. 




 


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,  3                
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   64
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 53
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  63
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  57
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   18




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries.

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   64
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 55
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  10
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  33
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 39
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  38
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18  



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 05, 2011, 10:45:21 AM
So what do you think of the "1-2-3-4-5" poll by Insight 20/20 ? It seems better than the "EGFP" polls that we have seen. Do you think my tentative interpretation of this new pollster useful -- that one can interpret (if such is explained) that

1 - very poor/strong disapprove
2 - substandard/disapprove
3 - middling and likely undecided
4 - good/approve
5 - very good/strongly approve

with categories "1" and "2" as "total disapprove" and "4" and "5" as total approve" with category "3" as effectively undecided?

(It is possible that someone could offer a similar poll with inverse instructions, so be careful.)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 05, 2011, 10:53:29 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.

That strongly disapprove number is staying up.  It is too early to tell about strongly approved.

If this isn't a blip, it is interesting.  The number of people that basically hate Obama is growing, while the number that love him is dwindling.  That is not polarization.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on February 05, 2011, 10:54:27 AM
Could be the snowstorms.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 05, 2011, 11:18:23 AM

More likely Egypt.  The prospect of 'losing' a shaky ally that we never really 'owned' is raw meat for the neo-con wing of the GOP.

This is not eastern Europe in 1989. Egypt begins with a government generally friendly to the US and its economic interests. The best that could happen in eastern Europe was a miracle, and that happened; the worst was either Soviet intervention or the failure of democracy. The worst that could have happened in 1989 was in essence that nothing really changed. In Egypt, the best thing that can happen is that a genuine democracy emerges and that a long-time ally of the US gets to leave for some safe haven, and the new Egypt remains pro-capitalist and sympathetic to American objectives in the US (including a shaky relationship with Israel). The best that can happen for the Egyptian people isn;t going to make life better for Americans. The worst? Iran 1979 all over.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on February 05, 2011, 12:18:33 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.

That strongly disapprove number is staying up.  It is too early to tell about strongly approved.

If this isn't a blip, it is interesting.  The number of people that basically hate Obama is growing, while the number that love him is dwindling.  That is not polarization.  

To be fair, it is Rasmussen. PPP and Gallup are arguably the only polls I think we should really be trusting at this point.

Gallup solely because it has more information and statistics to back everything up.  It's currently at 46-46 even, which to me makes a little more sense.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 05, 2011, 01:28:54 PM
Gallup is 45-47 today.

Obama is now back to pre-Arizona levels.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on February 05, 2011, 01:36:28 PM

Also, Obama's handling of Egypt has been beyond incompetent. 

Crushing the protests wouldn't have been competent. Especially since we were cool with the one in Tunisia. That would not look good.

There are other solutions than supporting regime change and supporting the crushing of the protests.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on February 05, 2011, 01:58:03 PM

Also, Obama's handling of Egypt has been beyond incompetent. 

Crushing the protests wouldn't have been competent. Especially since we were cool with the one in Tunisia. That would not look good.

There are other solutions than supporting regime change and supporting the crushing of the protests.

Such as?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on February 05, 2011, 02:04:54 PM
I'd say the blip is leveling out. Remember, in Gallup, his approval fell 4% in about 2 days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on February 05, 2011, 04:27:32 PM

Also, Obama's handling of Egypt has been beyond incompetent. 

Crushing the protests wouldn't have been competent. Especially since we were cool with the one in Tunisia. That would not look good.

There are other solutions than supporting regime change and supporting the crushing of the protests.

Such as?

Sam could tell you, but then he would have to kill you.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on February 05, 2011, 07:56:02 PM

Also, Obama's handling of Egypt has been beyond incompetent. 

Crushing the protests wouldn't have been competent. Especially since we were cool with the one in Tunisia. That would not look good.

There are other solutions than supporting regime change and supporting the crushing of the protests.

Such as?

Nothing like a n00b's first encounter with SamSpade.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 06, 2011, 12:35:16 AM
The Golden State offers no golden opportunities for the Republicans in its 55 electoral votes. Fundraising, maybe, but that's about it.

Quote
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 53%
Disapprove...................................................... 41%
Not sure .......................................................... 6%

I shall spare the gory details for the right-wingers as if there were a mercy rule.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_CA_0203424.pdf




 


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,  3                
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   64
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 53
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  63
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  57
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   18




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries.

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   64
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 55
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  10
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  33
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 39
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  38
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18  




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 06, 2011, 09:53:18 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, +2.

Disapprove 51%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, -2.

It was a bad sample, but it still looks like Obama has declined.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on February 06, 2011, 01:27:17 PM
Gallup is now at 46% approve 45% disaprove. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 06, 2011, 01:33:49 PM
Vanderbilt University has polled Tennessee recently and found Obama with less than 50% approval in the state. I cannot find exact numbers though:

Quote
    * Unlike the findings of recent national polls, President Barack Obama’s job performance approval rating is below 50 percent in Tennessee.

    * There is substantial public approval of Gov. Bill Haslam as his term begins.

The poll was conducted from Jan. 17 to Jan. 23 through statewide random telephone surveys. A total of 710 Tennessee adults responded with a margin of error at plus or minus 3.7 percent.

http://news.vanderbilt.edu/2011/02/economy-including-jobs-tennesseans%E2%80%99-no-1-priority-in-inaugural-vanderbilt-poll/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 06, 2011, 02:19:57 PM
Vanderbilt University has polled Tennessee recently and found Obama with less than 50% approval in the state. I cannot find exact numbers though:

Quote
    * Unlike the findings of recent national polls, President Barack Obama’s job performance approval rating is below 50 percent in Tennessee.

    * There is substantial public approval of Gov. Bill Haslam as his term begins.

The poll was conducted from Jan. 17 to Jan. 23 through statewide random telephone surveys. A total of 710 Tennessee adults responded with a margin of error at plus or minus 3.7 percent.

http://news.vanderbilt.edu/2011/02/economy-including-jobs-tennesseans%E2%80%99-no-1-priority-in-inaugural-vanderbilt-poll/

Imprecise, so not usable. In any event, Tennessee is one of the possibilities for the PPP poll of next week. The state would be interesting because traditionally, Tennessee has been one of the more liberal states in the South. The state has had Al Gore and Jim Sasser as senators, and came close to electing Harold Ford in 2006.

If any southern state west of the Appalachians has any chance of going for Obama it is Tennessee.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on February 06, 2011, 05:50:14 PM
Simultaneous bad samples in two different polling companies. Unusally, but I guess anything is possible. ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on February 06, 2011, 11:17:49 PM

Also, Obama's handling of Egypt has been beyond incompetent. 

Crushing the protests wouldn't have been competent. Especially since we were cool with the one in Tunisia. That would not look good.

There are other solutions than supporting regime change and supporting the crushing of the protests.

Such as?

Such as shutting up, like he did with the protests in Iran.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 07, 2011, 04:24:02 AM
Tennessee (Vanderbilt University/The Tennessean):

44% Approve
54% Disapprove

With 710 respondents to the Vanderbilt Poll, the margin of error for the poll is +/- 3.7 %. The poll was conducted by calling a random sample of landline telephone numbers over a period of seven days, from Jan. 17 to Jan. 23.

John Geer, professor of political science, and Josh Clinton, associate professor of political science, co-directed the poll.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20110207/NEWS02/102070343/Tennesseans-skeptical-President-Obama-Sarah-Palin?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on February 07, 2011, 09:33:11 AM

Also, Obama's handling of Egypt has been beyond incompetent. 

Crushing the protests wouldn't have been competent. Especially since we were cool with the one in Tunisia. That would not look good.

There are other solutions than supporting regime change and supporting the crushing of the protests.

Such as?

Such as shutting up, like he did with the protests in Iran.

I thought he's done a pretty decent job of that......

Although recently that did change, I am guessing it was just to show the US isn't propping up Mubarak. There is definitely a very fine balancing act Obama has to do here.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 07, 2011, 09:54:12 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, +1.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, -1.

Even though there was a three point increase in Strongly Approve, that number is still lower than the period from 1/19 to 2/2/11.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on February 07, 2011, 10:56:18 AM

Also, Obama's handling of Egypt has been beyond incompetent. 

Crushing the protests wouldn't have been competent. Especially since we were cool with the one in Tunisia. That would not look good.

There are other solutions than supporting regime change and supporting the crushing of the protests.

Such as?

Such as shutting up, like he did with the protests in Iran.
Certainly that's an option, but not a very good one, it would make Obama appear weak and indecisive.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 07, 2011, 12:20:40 PM
Tennessee (Vanderbilt University/The Tennessean):

44% Approve
54% Disapprove

With 710 respondents to the Vanderbilt Poll, the margin of error for the poll is +/- 3.7 %. The poll was conducted by calling a random sample of landline telephone numbers over a period of seven days, from Jan. 17 to Jan. 23.

John Geer, professor of political science, and Josh Clinton, associate professor of political science, co-directed the poll.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20110207/NEWS02/102070343/Tennesseans-skeptical-President-Obama-Sarah-Palin?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

Higher approval than the vote was in 2008. Tennessee looks contestable in 2012. Should President Obama pick up the Clinton voters who rejected Gore in 2000 and Kerry in 2004
and were leery of him in 2008, then 2012 has the potential for an Obama landslide with over 400 electoral votes.  PPP may poll Tennessee next week, so there could be corroboration. The GOP absolutely needs this state, and at this stage the state is shaky.  

Sarah Palin is beginning to seem a joke, as President Obama beats her handily in this state. Southern white people may still be leery of voting for a sane and liberal black man, but they might be even more leery of voting for a crazy white woman.



 


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,  3                
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   64
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 53
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  74
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  57
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   18




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries.

(
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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   64
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 55
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  10
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  33
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 50
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  38
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18  





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on February 07, 2011, 02:48:04 PM
One thing I noticed about Obama's dip in the polls (at least in Gallup), ALL of the decline in support from Obama came from independents, Democrats and Republicans have remained constant in their approval of Obama in the past few days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 07, 2011, 04:34:40 PM
One thing I noticed about Obama's dip in the polls (at least in Gallup), ALL of the decline in support from Obama came from independents, Democrats and Republicans have remained constant in their approval of Obama in the past few days.

Probably Egypt.  The President really can do nothing.  Almost everything is up to a capricious dictator  who can't decide whether he wants to hold onto power at risk of his life -- or flee. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Likely Voter on February 07, 2011, 05:37:13 PM
One thing I noticed about Obama's dip in the polls (at least in Gallup), ALL of the decline in support from Obama came from independents, Democrats and Republicans have remained constant in their approval of Obama in the past few days.

Probably Egypt.  The President really can do nothing.  Almost everything is up to a capricious dictator  who can't decide whether he wants to hold onto power at risk of his life -- or flee. 

That is interesting. It almost implies that the partisans on both sides get that Obama was doing just about anything that could be done, but those people in the middle think that a President has a magical power to make everything better. It explains why some independents swings around so much based on right track/wrong track, based on assumption that the Pres could fix economy overnight if he just really tried harder


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: izixs on February 07, 2011, 06:57:31 PM
That is interesting. It almost implies that the partisans on both sides get that Obama was doing just about anything that could be done, but those people in the middle think that a President has a magical power to make everything better. It explains why some independents swings around so much based on right track/wrong track, based on assumption that the Pres could fix economy overnight if he just really tried harder

It reminds me of that one scene in Family Guy in the Lois vs. Adam West debate all over again. The President is not a wizard folks, quit pretending he is.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on February 07, 2011, 08:15:40 PM
That is interesting. It almost implies that the partisans on both sides get that Obama was doing just about anything that could be done, but those people in the middle think that a President has a magical power to make everything better. It explains why some independents swings around so much based on right track/wrong track, based on assumption that the Pres could fix economy overnight if he just really tried harder

It reminds me of that one scene in Family Guy in the Lois vs. Adam West debate all over again. The President is not a wizard folks, quit pretending he is.

Exactly.  And people still believe the weight of the world should fall on him alone.

It's either that people have alarmingly fantastical expectations or Americans really like intervention.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on February 07, 2011, 08:16:41 PM
Perhaps independents are just very fickle.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 07, 2011, 11:16:53 PM
Perhaps independents are just very fickle.

Fickle? No. They want good results and aren't patient enough to accept excuses. They are much more demanding than are partisan supporters.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 08, 2011, 09:58:26 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, u.

Disapprove 50%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 36%, -1.

The Strongly Approve number is now tied with the lowest number period from 1/19 to 2/2/11.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 08, 2011, 02:29:53 PM
PPP, Colorado, where 2012 looks more likely to resemble 2008 than 2004 in the Presidential election.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_CO_0208424.pdf

Quote

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 51%
Disapprove...................................................... 45%
Not sure .......................................................... 4%

Q2 Generally speaking if the election was today
would you vote for Barack Obama or his
Republican opponent?
Barack Obama................................................   51%
Republican opponent ...................................... 44%
Not sure .......................................................... 5%

To save space, I am also putting New Mexico in. This is apparently not a swing state in 2012.

Quote
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 55%
Disapprove...................................................... 40%
Not sure .......................................................... 5%

As in California and Colorado, Sarah Palin is about as unfavorable as President Obama is in Idaho, Utah, or Wyoming.




(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,  3                
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  114
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   73
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 53
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  74
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  57
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   18




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries.

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  114
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   73
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 55
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  10
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  33
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 50
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  38
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18  






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on February 08, 2011, 03:29:05 PM
It was obvious from the midterms that Colorado has become a crucial state for the new Democratic coalition.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on February 08, 2011, 04:39:25 PM
I plan on moving out of CO in a few years, probably to Texas or somewhere down south, thank god! CO is the next CA, believe it or not.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 09, 2011, 03:44:14 AM
I plan on moving out of CO in a few years, probably to Texas or somewhere down south, thank god! CO is the next CA, believe it or not.

Arizona demographics are just behind Colorado, followed by Texas.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on February 09, 2011, 03:48:05 AM
One thing I noticed about Obama's dip in the polls (at least in Gallup), ALL of the decline in support from Obama came from independents, Democrats and Republicans have remained constant in their approval of Obama in the past few days.

No.  His numbers are basically right back where they were on January 1st, and his current numbers are statistically identical to those ones in basically all the categories.  The only sub-group that has shown potentially significant movement is race, where his approval is up 7 points with Hispanics and down 8 with Blacks.


Why does everyone think this?  What's far more likely is that Obama just got a temporary start-of-the-year boost that has now faded back to normalcy.  Egypt's been over the news for the past week or so, sure, but it's nothing that directly affects the US (though it has plenty of secondary effects).  Voters don't think "Oh, there's something troubling happening in the world.   I don't like the president now".  Foreign events have to actually involve the US or be very much related to the US to actually affect US politics--something like Iran taking US hostages or the Soviet Union invading Afghanistan.  And even then, unless it reflects really badly on the US president, it's unlikely to actually move his approval ratings.

If voters really thought that the US president was responsible for making sure nothing bad happened in the world, ever, we wouldn't have elected Obama (who ran on a very non-interventionist platform) in the first place.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on February 09, 2011, 08:35:54 AM
I plan on moving out of CO in a few years, probably to Texas or somewhere down south, thank god! CO is the next CA, believe it or not.

Arizona demographics are just behind Colorado, followed by Texas.



WTF else is there to move to escape the mental disorder?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on February 09, 2011, 08:44:01 AM
I plan on moving out of CO in a few years, probably to Texas or somewhere down south, thank god! CO is the next CA, believe it or not.

Arizona demographics are just behind Colorado, followed by Texas.



WTF else is there to move to escape the mental disorder?

Somalia.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on February 09, 2011, 09:05:49 AM
Gallup's timing seems too perfect sometimes:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/146021/Obama-Approval-Rating-Deficit-Sinks-New-Low.aspx

Apparently Obama's handling of Egypt is apparently the only major issue where he has a better-than-statistically-tied approval rating (47-32 approve), is slightly above even in foreign affairs, Afghanistan, and energy policy (48-45, 47-46, and 43-42, respectively), and negative on taxes, health care, the economy and the deficit.

In fact, it looks like the Deficit is the issue hurting him the most right now, as not only does it give him the worst spread by far (27-68), but it's also the only one that Independents are really sour on him for (approval rating of 19%, while in the high 30s and low 40s for all the others).

Then again, i don't think the Republican's numbers are going to be much better on the deficit.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on February 09, 2011, 10:40:53 AM
One thing I noticed about Obama's dip in the polls (at least in Gallup), ALL of the decline in support from Obama came from independents, Democrats and Republicans have remained constant in their approval of Obama in the past few days.

No.  His numbers are basically right back where they were on January 1st, and his current numbers are statistically identical to those ones in basically all the categories.  The only sub-group that has shown potentially significant movement is race, where his approval is up 7 points with Hispanics and down 8 with Blacks.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/politics.aspx
Take a look at Obama job approval by party affiliation, Independents went from 49% approve to 42%, in the same time from, Democrats went from 84% to 83%, while Republicans went from 14% to (gasp) 14%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 09, 2011, 10:44:07 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, +1.

Disapprove 49%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 36%, u.

My guess is that Egypt is what drove the numbers down.

Edit: Typo, obviously not "59."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2011, 11:49:26 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, +1.

Disapprove 59%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 36%, u.

My guess is that Egypt is what drove the numbers down.

?!

I would hope not...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 09, 2011, 12:45:18 PM
Obivous typo corrected:

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, +1.

Disapprove 49%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 36%, u.

My guess is that Egypt is what drove the numbers down.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 09, 2011, 02:11:31 PM
NM (PPP): 55-40

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NM_0209513.pdf

NJ (Quinnipiac): 55-41

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1556


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 09, 2011, 02:25:07 PM
NC (High Point University):

48-44

http://acme.highpoint.edu/~mkifer/src/Sixthmemo.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 09, 2011, 02:26:54 PM
Reuters/Ipsos:

51-46

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/09/us-usa-poll-idUSTRE7183Q820110209


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on February 09, 2011, 02:35:40 PM
^ All of those look pretty good for Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on February 09, 2011, 03:06:02 PM
Gallup Obama Job Approval: http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx
Approval: 47 (+1)
Disapproval 44 (-1)

Obama appears to be rebounding on Gallup as well.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on February 09, 2011, 03:14:43 PM
Hmmm, seems like the creep back to positive approval was genuine recovery rather than a temporary "rally around the flag" bounce.

In large part this can be explained by the Gallup (IIRC) poll showing the highest number of American optimistic about the economy in some three years...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 09, 2011, 04:04:42 PM
NJ, NC polls:



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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,  3                
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  114
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   58
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 68
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  74
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  57
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   18




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries.

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  114
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   58
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 70
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  10
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  33
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 50
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  38
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18  






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on February 09, 2011, 10:50:39 PM
pbrower goes back on ignore once again.

Favoring PPP over others is biased. You know PPP is a liberal leaning polling source right? Enough of the gibberish nonsense.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 09, 2011, 11:27:00 PM
pbrower goes back on ignore once again.

Favoring PPP over others is biased. You know PPP is a liberal leaning polling source right? Enough of the gibberish nonsense.

I accept Quinnipiac, and I accepted Rasmussen when it was giving statewide approval ratings. I also accepted a couple new polls from entities that I know little about. The "S" on Georgia is a question more of my interpretation of a novel presentation of polling data (rate from "1" to "5")

PPP simply dominates in sheer number of polls.  If you have some question about PPP methodology, then explain it.  I have rejected pollsters only when they are associated heavily with partisan entities. An example is Magellan, which polls on behalf of Republican candidates and state Republican parties.

What would I not accept from a pollster on the other side? One that polls on behalf of the Democratic Party or its candidates, unions, the NAACP, MALDEF, LULAC, the League of Conservation Voters, the Sierra Club, or NARAL.  If I wouldn't accept one by the National Association of Manufacturers, the National Rifle Association, or the National Right to Work Association, then I shouldn't accept polls from groups similarly to the left that have a vested interest in legislation.

As for predicting the 2012 Presidential election, I translate approval ratings into a prediction of what happens. Does anyone think that Barack Obama is an inept campaigner? Do you expect one of the most effective get-out-the-vote machines to reappear in the late summer and early autumn of 2012?

So far I have found some surprises. Most remarkably, Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee, most people's first-choice predictions for the Republican nominee do about as well in every state so far polled. Gingrich does worse, and Sarah Palin is doing execrably.   Indeed she is doing especially badly in California, Colorado, and New Mexico. Contrast her speech to that of Barack Obama and ask yourself whose speech is more easily understood by someone whose first language isn't English (irrespective of current proficiency in English)  or through translation. Neither Romney not Huckabee has quite that problem.

PPP has matchups as well as approval ratings.  Such is telling. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 10, 2011, 02:45:36 AM
NH (WMUR/University of New Hampshire):

46% Approve
49% Disapprove

(Gov. Lynch)

67% Approve
23% Disapprove

The poll of 520 randomly selected New Hampshire adults was conducted by the University of New Hampshire Survey Center from Jan. 27 through Feb. 6 and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4.3 percent.

http://www.wmur.com/r/26810384/detail.html

http://www.unh.edu/survey-center/news/granite-state-poll.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 10, 2011, 03:26:13 AM
NH (WMUR/University of New Hampshire):

46% Approve
49% Disapprove

(Gov. Lynch)

67% Approve
23% Disapprove

The poll of 520 randomly selected New Hampshire adults was conducted by the University of New Hampshire Survey Center from Jan. 27 through Feb. 6 and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4.3 percent.

http://www.wmur.com/r/26810384/detail.html

http://www.unh.edu/survey-center/news/granite-state-poll.html

Note: no matchups were shown.


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,  3                
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  114
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   58
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 68
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  78
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  57
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   18




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries.

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  114
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   58
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 70
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  33
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 50
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  38
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18  







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 10, 2011, 09:56:15 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, u.

Disapprove 50%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 36%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on February 10, 2011, 12:29:30 PM
Those NH numbers seem pretty weird considering the other recent numbers. Uni polls...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 10, 2011, 12:30:58 PM
pbrower goes back on ignore once again.

Favoring PPP over others is biased. You know PPP is a liberal leaning polling source right? Enough of the gibberish nonsense.

Wrong. PPP was one of the most accurate pollsters in 2010 and has a slight Republican bias.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 11, 2011, 01:56:32 AM
FOX News apparently dumped their pollster Opinion Research and now has 2 new pollsters, 1 Democratic and 1 Republican:

51% Approve
43% Disapprove

The Fox News Poll is conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R). The poll is based on live telephone interviews with a national sample of 911 registered voters, and was conducted February 7-9, 2011 in the evenings.

Landline and cell phone telephone numbers were randomly selected for inclusion in the survey using a probability proportionate to size method, which means that phone numbers for each state are proportional to the number of voters in each state.

Results based on the full sample have a margin of error of ± 3%. Results among subgroups have larger sampling errors, including: Democrats (n = 389) ± 5%; Republicans (n = 354) ± 5%; Independents (n = 147) ± 8%.

LV = likely voters

Results from Fox News polls before February 2011 were conducted by Opinion Dynamics Corp.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/021011_Obama_econ_web.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 11, 2011, 09:34:22 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, u.

Disapprove 49%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 35%, -1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 12, 2011, 01:09:03 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, -2.

Disapprove 51%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, +2.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on February 12, 2011, 01:39:11 PM
Gallup: http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

Approve 48% (+1)
Dissaprove 44% (--)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 12, 2011, 04:43:13 PM
NH (WMUR/University of New Hampshire):

46% Approve
49% Disapprove

(Gov. Lynch)

67% Approve
23% Disapprove

The poll of 520 randomly selected New Hampshire adults was conducted by the University of New Hampshire Survey Center from Jan. 27 through Feb. 6 and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4.3 percent.

http://www.wmur.com/r/26810384/detail.html

http://www.unh.edu/survey-center/news/granite-state-poll.html

Note: no matchups were shown.

But this new poll does show them. It comes from a Republican pollster (Magellan), and it is close enough in time to require averaging.

Quote
Obama Approval Rating:

50-44

Obama Favorable Rating:

52-44

2012 Matchups:

Obama vs. Romney: 48-44
Obama vs. Huckabee: 51-38
Obama vs. Palin: 57-34
Obama vs. Gingrich: 56-33

Favorable Ratings:

42-39 Huckabee
45-44 Romney
36-61 Palin
29-59 Gingrich

Gay Marriage:

35% Favor Repeal
56% Oppose Repeal

Health Care Law:

50% Favor Repeal
43% Oppose Repeal

Party breakdown of the poll:

Republican .................................................................................. 32%
Democrat .................................................................................... 31%
Independent ............................................................................... 37%

http://www.politico.com/pdf/PPM185_nhjournalpoll21111.pdf

The average comes out 48-46.5.


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,  3                
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  114
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   58
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 72
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  74
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  57
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   18




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries.

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  114
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   58
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 70
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  33
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 50
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  38
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18  








Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 13, 2011, 09:53:16 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 51%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, +1.

There has somewhat less polarization.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 14, 2011, 10:21:00 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on February 14, 2011, 01:28:22 PM
Gallup is 49-43 today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: America™ on February 14, 2011, 07:02:02 PM
End of month prediction: 44-56   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on February 14, 2011, 07:11:00 PM
I'm going to say 47-53


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on February 14, 2011, 08:46:32 PM
I'll go with 53-44.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on February 14, 2011, 08:53:29 PM
Not really sure why you guys are expecting so much movement either way...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on February 14, 2011, 08:56:13 PM
Not really sure why you guys are expecting so much movement either way...

Well, I don't think it'll be much of a movement, IIRC Obama's approval would only have to go up 4 points in the next 2 weeks. Besides, his approval isn't going to stay where it has been in 2010, people are going to begin making up their minds on his Presidency soon.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 15, 2011, 01:19:28 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, -1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 16, 2011, 01:29:50 AM
PPP/DailyKos:

47% Approve
48% Disapprove

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/2/11

Democracy Corps:

51% Approve
44% Disapprove

http://www.democracycorps.com/wp-content/files/dcor020911fq2.dcorps.pdf

CBS News:

48% Approve
41% Disapprove

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/110215_cbsnews_poll.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 16, 2011, 09:47:10 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 51%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on February 16, 2011, 11:51:08 AM
PPP/DailyKos:

47% Approve
48% Disapprove

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/2/11

Anyone else notice that PPP's polling for Daily Kos is much less friendly to Obama than their state-by-state polling?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Niemeyerite on February 16, 2011, 12:47:41 PM
PPP/DailyKos:

47% Approve
48% Disapprove

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/2/11

Anyone else notice that PPP's polling for Daily Kos is much less friendly to Obama than their state-by-state polling?
I was thinking about that haha


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on February 16, 2011, 01:53:13 PM
PPP/DailyKos:

47% Approve
48% Disapprove

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/2/11

Anyone else notice that PPP's polling for Daily Kos is much less friendly to Obama than their state-by-state polling?

OMGZZZZ!!!!
Elaine Marshall's pimp!!11111


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ShamDam on February 16, 2011, 08:31:55 PM
PPP/DailyKos:

47% Approve
48% Disapprove

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/2/11

Anyone else notice that PPP's polling for Daily Kos is much less friendly to Obama than their state-by-state polling?

I think it's just the matchups that are much more friendly. roughly 47% approval could somewhat easily translate to a 2008-style victory if the opponent is weak enough, and I think that's what the state-by-state polling is showing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 17, 2011, 08:27:59 AM
PPP/DailyKos:

47% Approve
48% Disapprove

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/2/11

Anyone else notice that PPP's polling for Daily Kos is much less friendly to Obama than their state-by-state polling?

PPP has yet to poll the Deep South. It may have polled about everything from New York State to Florida along the Atlantic Coast, the Rust Belt, and California.  So far --'

1. President Obama has recent statewide approval ratings much lower than the levels that he got elected by in the area between roughly Minneapolis and Philadelphia. Those approval ratings are accompanied by evidence that he would still win, but not with the monster numbers that he showed in 2008.

2. So far, all PPP matchups suggest (although some are in the margin of error) that president Obama would win everything that he won in 2008 except perhaps Indiana (which prohibits automated polling and makes it very expensive).  There is no evidence that suggests that President Obama would lose any state that he won by at least 8%.

3. The flip side is that PPP so far shows no evidence that President Obama could defeat either Mitt Romney pr Mike Huckabee anywhere that he failed to win in 2008 -- not even Missouri, Montana, Georgia, or Arizona.

4. President Obama so far has an advantage in a 50-50 split of  the popular vote in that although he remains seen favorably by comparatively small margins in slightly more than half the states he is still wildly unpopular in most of the rest. Such seems to reflect the conditions of November 2008.

Sure, PPP will release a poll on Tennessee soon, and that one may show whether the President is making gains in the non-coastal South. If I should see an approval rating for him above 45%, then I may see a portent of a 400-EV landslide against any possible Republican. Until then, the Democrats continue to face a reality that President Obama is the wrong sort of Democrat to appeal to white Southerners who might have voted for Bill Clinton.

6. This is before we have any real idea of who will be the Republican nominee for president. All that we can do is to establish who won;t be.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on February 17, 2011, 09:23:38 AM
PPP/DailyKos:

47% Approve
48% Disapprove

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/2/11

Anyone else notice that PPP's polling for Daily Kos is much less friendly to Obama than their state-by-state polling?

OMGZZZZ!!!!
Elaine Marshall's pimp!!11111
You welfare Nazi, you!!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 17, 2011, 10:00:46 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 17, 2011, 01:50:04 PM
Pennsylvania (Quinnipiac):

51% Approve
44% Disapprove

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1327.xml?ReleaseID=1559

Tennessee (PPP):

42% Approve
52% Disapprove

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_TN_0217.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 17, 2011, 02:15:46 PM
Tennessee, PPP, as promised. The President would be close if he contested it, but he probably wouldn't win it. Barack Obama is the wrong sort of campaigner to win this state. My gut feeling suggests that President Obama would get no more than 46% of the vote there, but my system makes sense in most cases. 

I am averaging the PPP poll with a recent poll by Nashville's Vanderbilt University.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_TN_0217.pdf

Quote
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 42%
Disapprove...................................................... 52%
Not sure .......................................................... 6%

Q6 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 43%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 46%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mike
Huckabee, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 41%
Mike Huckabee ............................................... 53%
Undecided....................................................... 6%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 45%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 45%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 41%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 48%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

Pennsylvania (Quinnipiac):

51% Approve
44% Disapprove

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1327.xml?ReleaseID=1559




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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,  3                
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  114
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   98
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 72
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  54
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  68
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   18




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries.

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  114
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   98
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 70
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  13
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 50
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  38
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18  







(note: I am averaging the results for Sarah Palin between Vanderbilt and PPP. PPP has her tied with Obama).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on February 17, 2011, 09:55:36 PM
Gallup Polled Obama versus "the Republican candidate" and had them tied 46-46, with Obama having basically the same voting base as he did in 2008.  The significant differences they found in their poll were that:

1) Obama did markedly worse with younger voters, winning them only 51-44 compared to 63-33 in their last pre-2008 election poll.

2) Obama won less of the Non-White Vote than in 2008 (they didn't post the non-white 2008 numbers, but in their last pre-2008 poll Obama won Blacks 92%-3% and Hispanics 74%-20%, with the latter term having a lot of variability week-to-week.  Both of these are much higher than the 63% of "non-whites" he's winning in this poll).

It's worth noting though that their last pre-2008 poll had Obama winning 52%-41% overall, so those number might have been slight overestimates of Obama's support at the time, and that both of the above totals represent lower support for him than the 2010 CNN Exit Poll Numbers for the National house races.

Here's the latest Gallup Poll:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/146138/Nameless-Republican-Ties-Obama-2012-Election-Preferences.aspx

Here's the 2008 one:

http://www.gallup.com/tag/Key%2bIndicators.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 18, 2011, 10:02:54 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, -2.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, +2.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on February 19, 2011, 08:45:08 AM
That's a weird anti-Obama sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on February 19, 2011, 01:51:59 PM

Yeah, he's up at 51% in Gallup today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 19, 2011, 04:05:25 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -1.

Disapprove 53%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, +1.

It isn't really unusual.  The actual approval rate could be about 47-48 percent.  The numbers over the past fortnight could just be in three points of that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on February 19, 2011, 04:26:57 PM
Gallup has Obama at 51% approval, 42% dissaproval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: exopolitician on February 19, 2011, 05:13:41 PM
Rasmussen is being moody.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 19, 2011, 06:30:45 PM

Scott probably just wants to show people how unpopular those socialists in Wisconsin are making their socialist president among heartland Americans.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 20, 2011, 09:57:09 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, -1.

Disapprove 54%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +1.

This could normal wobble, a bad sample, or real movement.  We should wait until midweek.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on February 20, 2011, 12:32:41 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, -1.

Disapprove 54%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +1.

This could normal wobble, a bad sample, or real movement.  We should wait until midweek.

Could it be Wisconsin?  Also, he just went way up to 51/42 in Gallup yesterday, which is interesting.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on February 20, 2011, 12:49:32 PM
Rasmussen is looking like a bizzare outlier on the RCP average. Reminds me of the early days when everyone else had Obama in the 60s and Rasmussen had him a good ten points lower.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 20, 2011, 12:57:51 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, -1.

Disapprove 54%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +1.

This could normal wobble, a bad sample, or real movement.  We should wait until midweek.

Could it be Wisconsin?  Also, he just went way up to 51/42 in Gallup yesterday, which is interesting.

Watch statewide polling.  If you should see polling in North Carolina or Ohio in the low 40s, then you might see a movement that suggests big trouble for the President.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on February 20, 2011, 01:20:22 PM
Rasmussen is looking like a bizzare outlier on the RCP average. Reminds me of the early days when everyone else had Obama in the 60s and Rasmussen had him a good ten points lower.
It could be another weird coincidence, only with Gallup having a good Obama sample and Rasmussen having a bad one.

Still, I don't trust Rasmussen's numbers, I normally go with Gallup.

Edit: Gallup is at 48% approve, 44% dissaprove.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: anvi on February 20, 2011, 02:08:03 PM
I would argue, based on some interesting polls released by PEW recently, that neither the current budget battle (at least not yet) nor the Wisconsin standoff are having much of an effect on Obama's numbers.

Regarding the budget fight, PEW polls confirm that Americans, though they favor spending cuts, also favor the retention of government programs.   This general indecision on the part of the American people probably cancels out trends that periodically go in one or another direction.
http://people-press.org/report/702/

At the same time, support and opposition to public and private sector unions remains relatively equally split.  I would take this to indicate that people nationwide aren't that moved one way or the other by what Obama says about the crisis, though it will effect support in the state itself.
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1897/favorability-labor-unions-salary-american-worker-productivity-public-sector

I strongly suspect that Obama's approvals these days, as opposed to most of 2009 and some of 2010 when their was a big "independent flight" and more accentuated Republican disapproval, are mostly effected by downturns in liberal support as issues come across the tv screen and internet.  JMO.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dan the Roman on February 20, 2011, 04:00:52 PM
Gallup Polled Obama versus "the Republican candidate" and had them tied 46-46, with Obama having basically the same voting base as he did in 2008.  The significant differences they found in their poll were that:

1) Obama did markedly worse with younger voters, winning them only 51-44 compared to 63-33 in their last pre-2008 election poll.

2) Obama won less of the Non-White Vote than in 2008 (they didn't post the non-white 2008 numbers, but in their last pre-2008 poll Obama won Blacks 92%-3% and Hispanics 74%-20%, with the latter term having a lot of variability week-to-week.  Both of these are much higher than the 63% of "non-whites" he's winning in this poll).

It's worth noting though that their last pre-2008 poll had Obama winning 52%-41% overall, so those number might have been slight overestimates of Obama's support at the time, and that both of the above totals represent lower support for him than the 2010 CNN Exit Poll Numbers for the National house races.

Here's the latest Gallup Poll:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/146138/Nameless-Republican-Ties-Obama-2012-Election-Preferences.aspx

Here's the 2008 one:

http://www.gallup.com/tag/Key%2bIndicators.aspx

The thing is, both of those groups are vastly more likely to support generic Republican than any of the Republicans actually likely to win the nomination.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 21, 2011, 10:50:56 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, u.

Disapprove 55%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

I would expect that Obama's Disapprove numbers are higher than his Approve numbers, but I would this to be a bad sample.  If so, we might see a 3-5 point drop in disapproval tomorrow or Wednesday.  If these still look like this on Wednesday, there has been erosion, perhaps dramatic.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on February 21, 2011, 01:03:03 PM
Gallup is holding steady at 48% approve, 43% dissaprove (-1).  It seems to be just Rassmusen.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 21, 2011, 01:59:59 PM
Newsweek/Daily Beast/Penn, Schoen & Berland:

50% Approve
44% Disapprove

The Newsweek/Daily Beast Poll was conducted with a representative sample of the national population with 918 likely voters. The fieldwork took place between Saturday, February 12 and Tuesday, February 15, 2011. The margin of sampling error for this poll is +/-3.5 percent.

Douglas Schoen is a political strategist and author of Mad as Hell: How the Tea Party Movement is Fundamentally Remaking Our Two-Party System published by Harper, an imprint of HarperCollins. Schoen has worked on numerous campaigns, including those of Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Michael Bloomberg, Evan Bayh, Tony Blair, and Ed Koch.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-02-21/obama-hits-50-percent-approval-rating-according-to-new-newsweekdaily-beast-poll/?cid=hp:mainpromo3


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on February 22, 2011, 12:50:18 AM
It's just Rasmussen. Gallup's Dissaproval actually went down one point today. My trust in Rasmussen continues to deteriorate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Likely Voter on February 22, 2011, 01:37:38 AM
It's just Rasmussen. Gallup's Dissaproval actually went down one point today. My trust in Rasmussen continues to deteriorate.

Well they have their own secret sauce likely voter model, which in the very GOP friendly 2010 election actually showed the GOP with even more gains, predicting even more GOP seats and senators. It almost looks like they are still using the same model even though 2012 should have a younger and less white electorate. It would be nice if Ras included their RV numbers (or do they somewhere?)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on February 22, 2011, 07:08:50 AM
It's just Rasmussen. Gallup's Dissaproval actually went down one point today. My trust in Rasmussen continues to deteriorate.

Gallup is usually much worse...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 22, 2011, 10:05:20 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, u.

Disapprove 55%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

The strongly approved number is the lowest ever.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 23, 2011, 01:58:49 AM
Texas (University of Texas / Texas Tribune):

36% Approve
55% Disapprove

Field dates: February 11-17, 2011
N=800 registered voters; margin of error = +/-3.46 unless otherwise noted
Note: due to rounding, not all percentages sum to 100

http://static.texastribune.org/media/documents/uttt-SummaryDoc-day2.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on February 23, 2011, 02:21:08 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, u.

Disapprove 55%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

The strongly approved number is the lowest ever.

Lol... I'm having a really hard time believing these numbers


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 23, 2011, 06:36:10 AM
NY (Quinnipiac):

53-41

From February 15 - 21, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,457 registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.6 percentage points. Live interviewers call land lines and cell phones.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1560


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 23, 2011, 09:37:36 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, +2.

Disapprove 53%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -1.

A bad sample has dropped out, but Obama's numbers are still down.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 23, 2011, 10:34:44 AM
University of Texas, Texas; Q in New York. Texas polling is erratic in the extreme, except that President Obama is unlikely to win the state.


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,  3                
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  114
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   98
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 72
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  54
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  68
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries.

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  114
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   98
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 70
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  13
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 50
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  0
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on February 23, 2011, 12:45:13 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, u.

Disapprove 55%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

The strongly approved number is the lowest ever.

Lol... I'm having a really hard time believing these numbers

They were even lower than that at other points. It's not surprising at all.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on February 23, 2011, 02:43:13 PM
Gallup has Obama at 47% (+1) approve to 45% (u) dissaprove.

Obama's numbers are lower than during the Tuscon bounce, but are still better than before the bounce.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 23, 2011, 02:51:12 PM
This may be evidence of some slipping in the polls.

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 47%
Disapprove...................................................... 48%
Not sure .......................................................... 4%

Q6 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 48%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 44%
Undecided....................................................... 8%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mike
Huckabee, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 46%
Mike Huckabee ............................................... 47%
Undecided....................................................... 7%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 41%
Undecided....................................................... 8%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 47%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 44%
Undecided....................................................... 9%


Note: because Obama would  lose a match with Huckabee in North Carolina, I must show him losing the state. New rule, but it isn't to the advantage of the President, so it is statistically conservative:


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,  3                
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  114
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   98
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 57
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  54
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  68
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  18
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries.

A new dark green category shows that the President would win against one of Huckabee and Romney, but not both. 

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  114
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   98
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 70
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  13
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 65
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  0
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 23, 2011, 02:52:48 PM
Gallup has Obama at 47% (+1) approve to 45% (u) dissaprove.

Obama's numbers are lower than during the Tuscon bounce, but are still better than before the bounce.

Maybe voters dislike volatility (Libya, Wisconsin, oil prices).

Anything has to be better than Qaddafi in Libya, right?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on February 23, 2011, 11:05:28 PM
We're reading too much into them, most likely.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: memphis on February 23, 2011, 11:19:20 PM
Gallup has a 2010 approval number for each state. Obviously not current, but still interesting. MS seems strangely high and NH seems strangely low, but maybe there is some MoE.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/146294/Hawaii-Approving-Obama-States-Decline.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 24, 2011, 09:40:09 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badlands17 on February 24, 2011, 06:54:37 PM
Gallup has a 2010 approval number for each state. Obviously not current, but still interesting. MS seems strangely high and NH seems strangely low, but maybe there is some MoE.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/146294/Hawaii-Approving-Obama-States-Decline.aspx

I would imagine a lot of the disapproval brewing in VT (where he lost approval compared to '09 more than any other state) is coming from the left, but it's probably experiencing an effect like NH and ME have to a lesser extent, with above-average movement toward the Reps. The libertarianish history of these states likely clashed with Obama's big government policies.

I find it interesting that MS is the state where Obama's approval deteriorated the least; I'd imagine this is because he is a love-hate figure among the electorate there and there weren't many people he could turn off his administration. You can see where states like CO, TX, and NM are likely trending Dem. Interestingly, WI had below average depreciation in Obama's approval but was almost in the top 5 states in terms of change in party ID.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 25, 2011, 09:42:54 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hash on February 25, 2011, 10:52:16 AM
VT approval at 53% makes no sense.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 25, 2011, 12:43:44 PM
Des Moines Register, Selzer:

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20110225/NEWS09/102250348/Obama-s-Iowa-rating-ticks-upward-do-2012-political-challenges

Quote
President Barack Obama's approval has rebounded some across political boundaries Iowa, according to The Des Moines Register's new Iowa Poll, reflecting a national trend for the Democrat beginning to construct his re-election campaign plan.

Obama's overall 48 percent approval is his highest in more than a year and his 47 percent disapproval is a few points better than in September. The glimmer comes as independent voters, who helped him carry the state in 2008 but had since dropped off, have warmed to him again over the past year.

Selzer does few polls, but does them well.

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,  3                
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  114
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   92
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 78
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  54
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  30
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries.

(
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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  114
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   92
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 76
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  13
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 50
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  0
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 25, 2011, 01:44:37 PM
Des Moines Register, Selzer:

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20110225/NEWS09/102250348/Obama-s-Iowa-rating-ticks-upward-do-2012-political-challenges

Quote
President Barack Obama's approval has rebounded some across political boundaries Iowa, according to The Des Moines Register's new Iowa Poll, reflecting a national trend for the Democrat beginning to construct his re-election campaign plan.

Obama's overall 48 percent approval is his highest in more than a year and his 47 percent disapproval is a few points better than in September. The glimmer comes as independent voters, who helped him carry the state in 2008 but had since dropped off, have warmed to him again over the past year.

Selzer does few polls, but does them well.

Obama's standing among Iowa 2012 Likely Voters is slightly worse:

"Iowa's likely voters are somewhat more critical of the president than Iowans in general. More poll respondents who say they plan to definitely vote in 2012 disapprove of Obama's performance than approve, 49 percent to 46 percent. But among all Iowans, the percentage who are satisfied with Obama has inched slightly higher than those who are not for the first time since the Register's November 2009 poll."

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20110225/NEWS09/102250348/Obama-s-Iowa-rating-ticks-upward-as-do-2012-political-challenges


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: exopolitician on February 25, 2011, 02:13:09 PM
No matchup polls? That would have been interesting to see.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 25, 2011, 02:20:46 PM
No matchup polls? That would have been interesting to see.

Maybe in the coming days ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 26, 2011, 09:33:08 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, -1.

Disapprove 53%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 27, 2011, 01:21:39 AM
Btw, Gallup is 50-42 (+2, -2) now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on February 27, 2011, 08:19:47 AM
Wait, no page 500 celebration?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 27, 2011, 08:30:48 AM

Now that you mention it, let's party:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 27, 2011, 09:30:49 AM
North Carolina (Civitas Institute):

50% Approve
45% Disapprove

In January the President’s job performance rating stood at 45 percent approve – 49 percent disapprove. 

Democratic voters remain overall favorable (73 percent approve – 24 percent approve) while just 15 percent of Republican voters approve of the job he is doing.  Unaffiliated voters approve of Obama’s job performance by a 55 percent – 33 percent margin.

...

This poll of 600 registered general election voters in North Carolina was conducted February 10, 12-13 by National Research, Inc. of Holmdel, NJ.  All respondents were part of a fully representative sample of registered voters in North Carolina.  For purposes of this study, voters interviewed had to have voted in two of the past four general elections or were newly registered to vote since 2008.

The confidence interval associated with a sample of this size is such that: 95 percent of the time, results from 600 interviews (registered voters) will be within +-4% of the “True Values.” True Values refer to the results obtained if it were possible to interview every person in North Carolina who had voted in two of the past four general elections or were newly registered to vote since 2008.

http://www.nccivitas.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Obama-Perdue-Approval-February-11-PR-CTs.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 27, 2011, 09:34:41 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, +2.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -2.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 27, 2011, 09:47:46 AM
Michigan (EPIC-MRA):

44% Excellent/Good
55% Fair/Poor

50% Favorable
43% Unfavorable

http://www.wilx.com/news/headlines/116983258.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on February 27, 2011, 09:52:42 AM
Michigan (EPIC-MRA):

44% Excellent/Good
55% Fair/Poor

50% Favorable
43% Unfavorable

http://www.wilx.com/news/headlines/116983258.html

Again... fair being lumped with poor...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 27, 2011, 10:37:16 AM
North Carolina (Civitas Institute):

50% Approve
45% Disapprove

In January the President’s job performance rating stood at 45 percent approve – 49 percent disapprove. 

Democratic voters remain overall favorable (73 percent approve – 24 percent approve) while just 15 percent of Republican voters approve of the job he is doing.  Unaffiliated voters approve of Obama’s job performance by a 55 percent – 33 percent margin.

...

This poll of 600 registered general election voters in North Carolina was conducted February 10, 12-13 by National Research, Inc. of Holmdel, NJ.  All respondents were part of a fully representative sample of registered voters in North Carolina.  For purposes of this study, voters interviewed had to have voted in two of the past four general elections or were newly registered to vote since 2008.

The confidence interval associated with a sample of this size is such that: 95 percent of the time, results from 600 interviews (registered voters) will be within +-4% of the “True Values.” True Values refer to the results obtained if it were possible to interview every person in North Carolina who had voted in two of the past four general elections or were newly registered to vote since 2008.

http://www.nccivitas.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Obama-Perdue-Approval-February-11-PR-CTs.pdf

Not a 'likely voters' screen, but you can't really get a reliable screen this early. North Carolina draws huge attention these days.

Michigan (EPIC-MRA):

44% Excellent/Good
55% Fair/Poor

50% Favorable
43% Unfavorable

http://www.wilx.com/news/headlines/116983258.html

I can't use the EGFP poll of Michigan. "Fair" is too ambiguous to be useful. I'm surprised that Michigan hasn't been polled more often in view of its electoral size, a new Republican Governor, and a Senator up for re-election in 2012 with an economy in the sewer for the last 35 years.

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,  3                
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  114
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   107
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 63
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  54
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  30
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries.

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  114
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   107
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 63
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  13
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 50
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  0
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on February 27, 2011, 03:48:45 PM
North Carolina's looking kind of odd on your map pbrower.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 27, 2011, 05:26:56 PM
North Carolina's looking kind of odd on your map pbrower.

I agree that it looks unusual. The state has been in the 50% approval area at the top and in the high 40's. Civitas could be high.

The last poll for Virginia was in December, and a new poll would be interesting.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on February 27, 2011, 06:39:43 PM
North Carolina's looking kind of odd on your map pbrower.

     North Carolina has been acting oddly lately. It seems like the kind of state that could become a Democratic enclave in Republican country 10 years down the line.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 28, 2011, 10:14:18 AM
Rasmussen (28-02-2011): (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

49% (nc) Approve
50% (-1) Disapprove

28% (+2) Strongly Approve
38%  (-1) Strongly Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on February 28, 2011, 10:25:15 AM
North Carolina's looking kind of odd on your map pbrower.

     North Carolina has been acting oddly lately. It seems like the kind of state that could become a Democratic enclave in Republican country 10 years down the line.

Along with the rest of the "New South" (i.e. Virginia and North Carolina and perhaps Georgia long-term, but that's a stretch) and the West.

The Democratic coalition is shifting from an economically based "labor" base to a more progressive professional middle class support group.

Not a transition I'm sad to see happen.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on February 28, 2011, 11:14:54 AM
North Carolina's looking kind of odd on your map pbrower.

     North Carolina has been acting oddly lately. It seems like the kind of state that could become a Democratic enclave in Republican country 10 years down the line.

Along with the rest of the "New South" (i.e. Virginia and North Carolina and perhaps Georgia long-term, but that's a stretch) and the West.

The Democratic coalition is shifting from an economically based "labor" base to a more progressive professional middle class support group.

Not a transition I'm sad to see happen.
I agree, I wouldn't be surprised to have North Carolina and Virginia etc. vote more for the Democrats than Wisconsin or Michigan in a decade or two.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 28, 2011, 11:47:41 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, u.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on February 28, 2011, 02:33:05 PM
Gallup
47% approve (-2)
44% disapprove (u)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on February 28, 2011, 03:00:28 PM
North Carolina's looking kind of odd on your map pbrower.

     North Carolina has been acting oddly lately. It seems like the kind of state that could become a Democratic enclave in Republican country 10 years down the line.

Along with the rest of the "New South" (i.e. Virginia and North Carolina and perhaps Georgia long-term, but that's a stretch) and the West.

The Democratic coalition is shifting from an economically based "labor" base to a more progressive professional middle class support group.

Not a transition I'm sad to see happen.
I would say the impetus is the collapse of the Evangelical-Libertarian coalition of the Republicans.  The Democratic Party is just picking up the independents, which makes me wonder whether we will see a breakaway liberal movement in this decade or the next.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 01, 2011, 11:54:58 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, -1.

Disapprove 51%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 01, 2011, 08:14:50 PM
Rhode Island, and you probably need a magnifying glass to see it.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_RI_0228.pdf

Quote
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 53%
Disapprove...................................................... 39%
Not sure .......................................................... 8%


Q6 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 60%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 27%
Undecided....................................................... 13%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mike
Huckabee, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 56%
Mike Huckabee ............................................... 31%
Undecided....................................................... 13%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 65%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 24%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 54%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 37%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Sarah Palin is so unpopular in Rhode Island that the state would probably wish that it were still a colony of Queen Elizabeth II if Caribou Barbie won the Presidency.


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,  3                
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  118
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   107
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 63
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  54
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  30
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries.

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  118
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   107
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 63
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  13
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 50
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  0
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on March 01, 2011, 08:22:10 PM
As it stands now, according to polling alone, a Palin loss would look something like this:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: America™ on March 01, 2011, 09:48:36 PM
Nah, a Palin loss resembles this:

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It would be one of the biggest landslides of all time. Hands down.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on March 01, 2011, 10:52:12 PM
South Carolina, a toss-up State?  Seriously?  This is one of the few States in which we already knew the eventual outcome for 2012, even back in December 2008.  The only real question is whether Obama can duplicate his wonderful performance from 2008 in 2012 or not.

The problem with your assumptions pbrower, is that when it comes to South Carolina, we have a very small fraction of the electorate at present that is truly independent, especially with respect to the national parties. Unless there is a real stinker of a candidate, there is only about 15% of the vote in play, with the GOP having a 45-40 advantage.  Even with a real stinker, a lot of that core is likelier to flip to a third party than to the other major party if a choice is available.  That's why despite running against a total joke, DeMint only got 61% of the vote compared to 28% for Greene and 9% for Clements, the only other name on the ballot.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 02, 2011, 09:50:53 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -3.

Disapprove 53%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, +2.

This very well could be a bad sampling.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 02, 2011, 11:16:20 AM
PPP, Virginia. No magnifying glass necessary here.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_VA_03021118.pdf



Quote
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of Barack
Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 48%
Disapprove...................................................... 45%
Not sure .......................................................... 7%


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,  3                
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  118
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   107
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 75
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  41
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  30
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries.

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  118
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   107
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 63
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  13
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 50
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  0
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 02, 2011, 01:50:56 PM
SurveyUSA's end-of-February polls are out:

California: 53-44

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c717d146-99e7-4de8-8217-9fb792fc2fb8

Kansas: 38-59

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c9cb9d95-0451-467c-8613-efb0bf5d4a7e

Oregon: 42-51

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=87dabdb7-5435-402e-891e-11b3bf475127

Washington: 46-48

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c34262fe-7152-4e56-be8d-dd7e32b0f6dd


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 02, 2011, 02:09:03 PM
SurveyUSA's end-of-February polls are out:

California: 53-44

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c717d146-99e7-4de8-8217-9fb792fc2fb8

Kansas: 38-59

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c9cb9d95-0451-467c-8613-efb0bf5d4a7e

Oregon: 42-51

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=87dabdb7-5435-402e-891e-11b3bf475127

Washington: 46-48

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c34262fe-7152-4e56-be8d-dd7e32b0f6dd

The only two with any credibility are those for California (changes nothing if accepted) and Kansas (probably right). The other two are hoots.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 02, 2011, 02:15:29 PM
Washington could be right, but probably not.

Oregon is definitely off.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 02, 2011, 02:32:21 PM
Tennessee (Middle Tennessee State University):

39% Approve
52% Disapprove

Poll interviews were conducted by telephone Feb. 14 – 26, 2011 by students in the College of Mass Communication at Middle Tennessee State University. Students interviewed 589 people age 18 or older chosen at random from the state population. The poll has an estimated error margin of ± 4 percentage points at the 95 percent level of confidence. Theoretically, this means that a sample of this size should produce a statistical portrait of the population within 4 percentage points 95 out of 100 times. Other factors, such as question wording, also affect the outcome of a survey. Error margins are greater for sample subgroups.

http://www.mtsusurveygroup.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Spring2011report1.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on March 02, 2011, 03:24:26 PM
SurveyUSA's end-of-February polls are out:

California: 53-44

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c717d146-99e7-4de8-8217-9fb792fc2fb8

Kansas: 38-59

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c9cb9d95-0451-467c-8613-efb0bf5d4a7e

Oregon: 42-51

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=87dabdb7-5435-402e-891e-11b3bf475127

Washington: 46-48

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c34262fe-7152-4e56-be8d-dd7e32b0f6dd

The guys that run SurveyUSA sure do their best to destroy whatever credibility they still have after the 2010 debacle.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 02, 2011, 06:56:32 PM
Tennessee (Middle Tennessee State University):

39% Approve
52% Disapprove

Poll interviews were conducted by telephone Feb. 14 – 26, 2011 by students in the College of Mass Communication at Middle Tennessee State University. Students interviewed 589 people age 18 or older chosen at random from the state population. The poll has an estimated error margin of ± 4 percentage points at the 95 percent level of confidence. Theoretically, this means that a sample of this size should produce a statistical portrait of the population within 4 percentage points 95 out of 100 times. Other factors, such as question wording, also affect the outcome of a survey. Error margins are greater for sample subgroups.

http://www.mtsusurveygroup.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Spring2011report1.pdf

I can't read the link. There's no indication of any screen of voters, so I can't use it until I see what sort of voters are identified.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 03, 2011, 12:09:58 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, u.

Disapprove 54%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +1.

If this in a bad sample it should drop out over the weekend.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on March 03, 2011, 05:48:36 PM
Quinnipia: 46/46

45/47 deserves re-election

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.quinnipiac.edu%2Fx1295.xml%3FReleaseID%3D1563&h=e4b24


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 03, 2011, 06:41:15 PM
PPP, Wisconsin:

Quote
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of Barack
Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 49%
Disapprove...................................................... 45%
Not sure .......................................................... 6%

Morning Call/Muhlenberg College, Pennsylvania:

Quote
Almost all respondents had an opinion of President Obama and their views were split 48 percent approval and 44 percent disapproval. However, just 40 percent of voters in the swing state believe he deserves re-election while 45 percent say he does not.


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,  3                
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  118
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   97
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 85
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  41
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  30
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries.

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  118
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   97
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 83
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  13
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 50
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  0
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  




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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 04, 2011, 01:22:18 AM
We need a new Michigan poll that actually asks for "Approve/Disapprove", not the crappy "Excellent/Good/Fair/Poor" ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on March 04, 2011, 09:37:52 AM
Obama average approval rating February 2011 (Gallup)

47% Approve

44% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 40/44 (February 1979)

Reagan: 40/50 (February 1983)

Bush I: 80/15 (February 1991)

Clinton: 46/46 (February 1995)

Bush II: 59/36 (February 2003)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 04, 2011, 09:48:30 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, +1.

Disapprove 53%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -2



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 04, 2011, 12:24:44 PM
Wisconsin (Rasmussen):

55% Approve, well actually "favorable" but it doesn't make sense - Rasmussen has never polled Obama's favorables in a state so far, only approvals - so I think they made a typo.

(Gov. Walker)

43% Approve
57% Disapprove

73% of Wisconsin Republicans approve of the job Walker is doing. 89% of the state's Democrats and 56% of voters not affiliated with either of the major parties disapprove.

The survey of 800 Likely Voters in Wisconsin was conducted on March 2, 2011 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 4 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/wisconsin/wisconsin_governor_walker_43_approval_rating


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 04, 2011, 01:09:39 PM

Wisconsin (Rasmussen):

55% Approve, well actually "favorable" but it doesn't make sense - Rasmussen has never polled Obama's favorables in a state so far, only approvals - so I think they made a typo.

(Gov. Walker)

43% Approve
57% Disapprove

73% of Wisconsin Republicans approve of the job Walker is doing. 89% of the state's Democrats and 56% of voters not affiliated with either of the major parties disapprove.

The survey of 800 Likely Voters in Wisconsin was conducted on March 2, 2011 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 4 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/wisconsin/wisconsin_governor_walker_43_approval_rating

I'm going to accept that 'favorably' is a typo because Rasmussen then uses this language:

Quote
President Obama is viewed favorably by 55% of voters statewide. Typically, a president’s reelection vote total is similar to his job approval rating. Therefore, if the election were held today in Wisconsin, Obama would be heavily favored to win the state’s Electoral College votes.

Rasmussen may not be perfect, but he doesn't ordinarily muddle language.

The PPP and Rasmussen polls are about a week apart, and the Rasmussen poll is the first March poll. I am chary of averaging polls between months. I happen to like Rasmussen because of fewer undecided voters, and approval ratings in a state with such fast-changing political realities as Wisconsin are fluid in the extreme. Wisconsin is unique these days.




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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,  3                
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  128
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   87
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 85
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  41
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  30
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries.

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)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  128
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   87
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 83
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  13
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 50
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  0
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 05, 2011, 02:18:48 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, -1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on March 05, 2011, 02:59:47 PM
Gallup National Approval (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve - 47%, +2

Dissaprove - 44%, -2

Other/Not Sure - 9%

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

I'm beginning to wonder if Rasmussen just lumps all the "Not Sure" answers in with the Dissaproval percentage.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on March 06, 2011, 12:10:51 AM
Gallup National Approval (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve - 47%, +2

Dissaprove - 44%, -2

Other/Not Sure - 9%

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

I'm beginning to wonder if Rasmussen just lumps all the "Not Sure" answers in with the Dissaproval percentage.

different criteria


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on March 06, 2011, 12:27:00 AM
Wow, Rassmussen isn't trying to spin for Walker? Color me a tad surprised.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 06, 2011, 01:35:57 AM
WI (Wisconsin Policy Research Institute):

53% Approve
42% Disapprove

(Scott Walker)

43% Approve
53% Disapprove

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/WPRI-Toplines-030311.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on March 06, 2011, 02:20:43 AM
WI (Wisconsin Policy Research Institute):

53% Approve
42% Disapprove

(Scott Walker)

43% Approve
53% Disapprove

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/WPRI-Toplines-030311.pdf

Interesting . .  the Walker favorable numbers are the same as the approval numbers, but less strong.

Also, His plan overall is a bit more favorable than he is (46-51), and different wording yields wildly different results on collective bargaining.  The Democratic-spin one is 32-58, while the Republican spin one is 47-50.

Also interesting is that the "Compromise" plan is about as unfavorable than that, at 36-60.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 06, 2011, 02:30:51 AM
WPRI doesn't poll very often, they had Obama winning against McCain by 6 in August 2008.

In 2006, they showed Doyle winning by 5.

They also had Bush ahead of Kerry by 10, just after the 2004 GOP convention.

In 2000, they had Bush ahead of Gore by 6 in Mid-July.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 06, 2011, 02:38:37 AM
Wow, Rassmussen isn't trying to spin for Walker? Color me a tad surprised.

Scott Rasmussen must know a lost cause when he sees it, and not only when someone has bad polling numbers.

Scott Walker can thank his lucky stars that the prank phone call wasn't an FBI sting, because if it were, then he would be in deep trouble.   You can bet that every move that he makes is now under the scrutiny of the Department of Justice for either violations of civil rights or various forms of corruption. This is without precedent in American history; consequences are hard to predict.  It's hard to predict how a Governor behaves when he has the federal attention typical of an Imperial Wizard, a Mafia capo, or the head of an outlaw biker gang.

Governor Walker's poll numbers are the least of his problems now. If you think that the protests were large on chilly days in Wisconsin, then just think of what they can be like in the summer, when teachers have their summer breaks.

WI (Wisconsin Policy Research Institute):

53% Approve
42% Disapprove

(Scott Walker)

43% Approve
53% Disapprove

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/WPRI-Toplines-030311.pdf

...nothing to change my map, but plenty to give me cause for confidence on the Rasmussen poll.

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 06, 2011, 03:10:25 AM
Wow, Rassmussen isn't trying to spin for Walker? Color me a tad surprised.

Scott Rasmussen must know a lost cause when he sees it, and not only when someone has bad polling numbers.

Scott Walker can thank his lucky stars that the prank phone call wasn't an FBI sting, because if it were, then he would be in deep trouble.   You can bet that every move that he makes is now under the scrutiny of the Department of Justice for either violations of civil rights or various forms of corruption. This is without precedent in American history; consequences are hard to predict.  It's hard to predict how a Governor behaves when he has the federal attention typical of an Imperial Wizard, a Mafia capo, or the head of an outlaw biker gang.

Governor Walker's poll numbers are the least of his problems now. If you think that the protests were large on chilly days in Wisconsin, then just think of what they can be like in the summer, when teachers have their summer breaks.

WI (Wisconsin Policy Research Institute):

53% Approve
42% Disapprove

(Scott Walker)

43% Approve
53% Disapprove

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/WPRI-Toplines-030311.pdf

...nothing to change my map, but plenty to give me cause for confidence on the Rasmussen poll.

 

It seems the Walker-hatred is growing day by day in Wisconsin:

GQR/AFL-CIO (Feb. 16-20): 44-50
GQR/AFL-CIO (Feb. 19-20): 41-51
PPP (Feb. 24-27): 46-52
WPRI (Feb. 27-March 1): 43-54
Rasmussen (March 2): 43-57


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on March 06, 2011, 11:35:18 AM
The Wisconsin fiasco seems to be helping Democrats in the state.  I wonder if this effect will help Obama and the Democrats across the entire region.  I would say that completely depends on whether or not it is resurrected as an issue in the 2012 campaign.... if not it will be completely out of peoples' minds by then. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 06, 2011, 12:26:51 PM
The Wisconsin fiasco seems to be helping Democrats in the state.  I wonder if this effect will help Obama and the Democrats across the entire region.  I would say that completely depends on whether or not it is resurrected as an issue in the 2012 campaign.... if not it will be completely out of peoples' minds by then. 


You can trust that Big Labor will keep bringing it up. The only state that Wisconsin borders that has voted for a Republican nominee for President since 1992 is Iowa (barely in 2004).

How large is the 'region'? Indiana is separated from Wisconsin only by Greater Chicago. No Republican can win without it. Missouri was a bare McCain state in 2008. Get Big Labor active, and it is a possible Obama pickup. Ohio? Probably the definitive bellwether state. No way do the Republicans win without it. 

Scott Walker has turned upon the occupational group that only fools would turn upon: teachers. Teachers are everywhere. They are smart, they organize easily, and they are generally recognized as working people. They are generally able to get their point across to most people (if they couldn't, then they would be doing something else), and they are often in civic groups and church groups as leaders. They form one of the largest occupational groups in America. Going after teachers isn't quite as unwise as would have been going after farmers a century ago, but it is as close as one now gets.   

Wisconsin rarely makes national news unless it involves the Green Bay Packers, Jeffrey Dahmer (that goes back some time), or a natural disaster. Governor Walker put the state front and center in American news in the worst possible way for the Republican Party.     


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 06, 2011, 01:56:43 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 07, 2011, 03:30:53 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 07, 2011, 09:12:24 PM
PPP will have polls on Maine (we shall see how the Governor does, whether Senator Olympia Snowe is vulnerable to tea-bag types, and whether the Democrats could have someone capable of winning against her or a Tea-bagger. How would she do as an Independent?

Olympia Snowe could be in 2012 what Blanche Lincoln was in 2010: someone weak with the base and vulnerable in the general election.

I wouldn't make much of the difference between the two Congressional districts of Maine, as President Obama would have to lose about 55-45 nationwide for there to be a difference in how the districts vote.

Missouri is the other, and it of course was the state closest to being an Obama win in 2008 that wasn't. It has an apparently-vulnerable Democratic Senator.  We may also get some taste of the political geography; as Virginia seems to be leaving the South, is Missouri joining it?  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 08, 2011, 10:54:35 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, +1.

Disapprove 51%,-1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 08, 2011, 12:07:00 PM
I don't know what to make of this:

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/03/gov_christies_poll_numbers_dro.html

(Reuters-Eagleton)

Quote
When asked to rate Christie’s job performance, 14 percent said excellent, 28 percent said good, 30 percent said fair and 26 percent said poor. Fourteen percent graded him with an A, 24 percent gave him a B, 26 percent gave him a C, 15 percent gave him a D and 19 percent failed him with an F.

President Obama fares better than Christie among Garden State voters, with 57 percent viewing him favorably to 36 percent unfavorably.

U.S. Sen. Bob Menendez saw a slight uptick in his favorable ratings from December, with 34 percent of voters now viewing him favorably and 28 percent unfavorably. But the biggest number, 38 percent, had no opinion.

Rutgers-Eagleton surveyed 811 registered voters From Feb. 24 – 26. The margin of error is plus or minus 3.4 percentage points.


I don't use favorability polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on March 08, 2011, 01:22:25 PM
I don't know what to make of this:

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/03/gov_christies_poll_numbers_dro.html

(Reuters-Eagleton)

Quote
When asked to rate Christie’s job performance, 14 percent said excellent, 28 percent said good, 30 percent said fair and 26 percent said poor. Fourteen percent graded him with an A, 24 percent gave him a B, 26 percent gave him a C, 15 percent gave him a D and 19 percent failed him with an F.

President Obama fares better than Christie among Garden State voters, with 57 percent viewing him favorably to 36 percent unfavorably.

U.S. Sen. Bob Menendez saw a slight uptick in his favorable ratings from December, with 34 percent of voters now viewing him favorably and 28 percent unfavorably. But the biggest number, 38 percent, had no opinion.

Rutgers-Eagleton surveyed 811 registered voters From Feb. 24 – 26. The margin of error is plus or minus 3.4 percentage points.


I don't use favorability polls.


Wow, did they actually use 3 different measures of a politicians popularity in the same poll?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on March 08, 2011, 01:28:29 PM
Also, Obama's been down recently in Gallup.  Not as bad as late last year, but he's back to 46% on a weekly poll for the first time since 2010.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/146522/Obama-Weekly-Job-Approval-Retreats.aspx

Though this seems to be mostly from non-whites (as he's gone from 89% to 81% among Blacks, and 64% to 51% among Hispanics), and Liberals (77% to 71%).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 08, 2011, 02:04:37 PM
North Carolina (High Point University):

Do you approve or disapprove of the way that Barack Obama is handling his job as president?

Approve 47%
Disapprove 46%

http://acme.highpoint.edu/~mkifer/src/7memo2.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 09, 2011, 07:31:53 AM
Today we have Connecticut (Quinnipiac):

49% Approve
47% Disapprove

From March 1 - 7, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,693 registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.4 percentage points. Live interviewers call landlines and cell phones.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1296.xml?ReleaseID=1565


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on March 09, 2011, 07:49:56 AM
Today we have Connecticut (Quinnipiac):

49% Approve
47% Disapprove

From March 1 - 7, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,693 registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.4 percentage points. Live interviewers call landlines and cell phones.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1296.xml?ReleaseID=1565

That's... interesting.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 09, 2011, 09:05:54 AM

North Carolina (High Point University):

Do you approve or disapprove of the way that Barack Obama is handling his job as president?

Approve 47%
Disapprove 46%

http://acme.highpoint.edu/~mkifer/src/7memo2.pdf
Today we have Connecticut (Quinnipiac):

49% Approve
47% Disapprove

From March 1 - 7, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,693 registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.4 percentage points. Live interviewers call landlines and cell phones.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1296.xml?ReleaseID=1565



(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,  3                
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  128
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   79
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 100
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  41
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  30
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries.

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  128
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   79
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 98
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  13
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 50
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  0
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  








Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on March 09, 2011, 10:31:07 AM
Today we have Connecticut (Quinnipiac):

49% Approve
47% Disapprove

From March 1 - 7, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,693 registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.4 percentage points. Live interviewers call landlines and cell phones.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1296.xml?ReleaseID=1565

That's... interesting.

Indeed. The lowest Obama approval rating Q-pac has recorded yet in CT. Though their last poll was in July.

The very few cross-tabs don't seem overly suspicious, FWIW, but I have a VERY hard time believing Obama's approval rating in CT is comparable to NC or slightly lower than nationwide.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 09, 2011, 01:33:21 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, -2.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, +2.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 09, 2011, 01:57:07 PM
Reuters/Ipsos:

49% Approve
47% Disapprove

Gallup:

45% Approve
48% Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 09, 2011, 02:01:23 PM
Resurgent Republic/Ayres, McHenry & Associates:

47% Approve
49% Disapprove

49% Favorable
47% Unfavorable


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on March 09, 2011, 04:30:26 PM
PPP : Obama approval: 43/52


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 09, 2011, 04:35:06 PM
Missouri, PPP:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_MO_0309424.pdf

Quote
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of Barack
Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 43%
Disapprove...................................................... 52%
Not sure .......................................................... 5%

Q6 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 44%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 44%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mike
Huckabee, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 43%
Mike Huckabee ............................................... 49%
Undecided....................................................... 8%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 48%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 43%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 43%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 44%
Undecided....................................................... 13%

Basically the Republicans nominate Mike Huckabee or risk losing  Missouri, which they dare not do.

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,  3                
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  128
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   79
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 100
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  41
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  30
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries.

(
)


District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  128
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   79
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 98
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 60
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  0
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  









Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Capitan Zapp Brannigan on March 09, 2011, 11:31:18 PM
Basically the Republicans nominate Mike Huckabee or risk losing  Missouri, which they dare not do.
What a strange way of interpreting this poll. I like the optimism though!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on March 10, 2011, 12:15:41 AM
Basically the Republicans nominate Mike Huckabee or risk losing  Missouri, which they dare not do.
What a strange way of interpreting this poll. I like the optimism though!

Analysis isn't really his strong suit -- snicker, snicker!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 10, 2011, 03:08:43 AM
Basically the Republicans nominate Mike Huckabee or risk losing  Missouri, which they dare not do.
What a strange way of interpreting this poll. I like the optimism though!

So far I see the GOP nominee for President losing like John McCain if the candidate is Huckabee or perhaps Romney. Palin? Landslide loss. She loses Arizona, South Carolina, South Dakota, and Tennessee -- states that weren't close in 2008. Oh, yes, Georgia and Missouri, which were close.

The states shaded in green in the bottom map are those in which someone loses to President Obama. It is possible for him to win some states if his approval rating in that state is 42% -- if the GOP nominates the 'wrong' candidate'.  In every state in which the President has an approval rating of at least 46% he wins against everyone.

In Missouri, Romney and Obama are in a virtual tie and Gingrich and Obama tie. Huckabee would win decisively. 

Who runs matters greatly.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 10, 2011, 12:17:38 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%,  u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 10, 2011, 01:41:15 PM
Bloomberg Poll:

51% Approve
43% Disapprove

Gallup:

47% Approve
45% Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on March 10, 2011, 03:40:54 PM
It's odd that Gallup and Rasmusen always have almost exactly the same approvals, but Obama's dissaprovals are around 7 points higher on Rasmusen. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on March 11, 2011, 01:41:23 AM
It's odd that Gallup and Rasmusen always have almost exactly the same approvals, but Obama's dissaprovals are around 7 points higher on Rasmusen. 

I think someone did a study and found that asking for "Strongly Disapprove vs Regular Disapprove" tends to push more people to give an opinion (as they can mentally contrast themselves with the "stronger" option if they only feel weakly about a candidate).

The Reason their approvals wind up the same however is because Ras tests a generally more Republican group, which pushes their sample a few points more Republican.  Those two effects would probably cancel for Obama's approval numbers, but stack for his disapproval numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 11, 2011, 09:37:13 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, -1.

Disapprove 53%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%,  u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 12, 2011, 12:21:44 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, +1.

(Correcting the Strongly Disapprove number.)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2011, 08:49:40 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -2.

Disapprove 54%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%,  +2.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 14, 2011, 08:41:56 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, -1.

Disapprove 56%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%,  +1.

It could be an over anti-Obama sample; if so, it should be out in the next three days.  There does appear some slight erosion in Obama's numbers.

Corrected


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Niemeyerite on March 14, 2011, 05:08:32 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -1.

Disapprove 56%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%,  +1.

It could be an over anti-Obama sample; if so, it should be out in the next three days.  There does appear some slight erosion in Obama's numbers.



101%????


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on March 14, 2011, 10:51:37 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -1.

Disapprove 56%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%,  +1.

It could be an over anti-Obama sample; if so, it should be out in the next three days.  There does appear some slight erosion in Obama's numbers.



101%????

Probably a rounding error - 44.5% and 55.5% would round to 45% and 56%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 15, 2011, 12:28:26 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -1.

Disapprove 56%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%,  +1.

It could be an over anti-Obama sample; if so, it should be out in the next three days.  There does appear some slight erosion in Obama's numbers.



101%????

Probably a rounding error - 44.5% and 55.5% would round to 45% and 56%.

No, a typo on my part; I just corrected it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 15, 2011, 01:16:18 AM
ABC News/Washington Post poll:

51% Approve
45% Disapprove

METHODOLOGY – This ABC News/Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone March 10-13, 2011, among a random national sample of 1,005 adults, including landline and cell-phone-only respondents. Results have a margin of sampling error of 3.5 points. The survey was produced for ABC News by Langer Research Associates of New York, N.Y, with sampling, data collection and tabulation by TNS of Horsham, Pa.

http://www.langerresearch.com/uploads/1121a2%202011%20Politics.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on March 15, 2011, 01:24:33 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -1.

Disapprove 56%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%,  +1.

It could be an over anti-Obama sample; if so, it should be out in the next three days.  There does appear some slight erosion in Obama's numbers.



101%????

It must be ACORN! :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 15, 2011, 08:44:40 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43%, -1.

Disapprove 57%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 20%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%,  -1.

That 20% is the lowest Obama has ever been.  I strongly suspect it is just a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on March 15, 2011, 10:54:16 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43%, -1.

Disapprove 57%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 20%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%,  -1.

That 20% is the lowest Obama has ever been.  I strongly suspect it is just a bad sample.

Probably is.  If i had to give a possible explanation however, I'd say that Gas prices are rearing their ugly head.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 15, 2011, 01:54:05 PM
CNN (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/03/15/rel4b.pdf):

50% Approve
47% Disapprove

Gallup:

45% Approve
46% Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 15, 2011, 04:48:18 PM
Quote
Maine Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of Barack
Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 51%
Disapprove...................................................... 44%
Not sure .......................................................... 5%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_ME_0311.pdf

Maine is nearly homogeneous in its voting between its two districts, much unlike Nebraska.

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,  3                
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  128
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   83
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 100
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  41
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  30
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries.

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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  128
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   83
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 98
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 60
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  0
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  









Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: exopolitician on March 15, 2011, 09:04:09 PM
As per usual, Rasmussen numbers are incredibly lopsided.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on March 16, 2011, 08:29:10 AM
I agree it could easily be fuel prices that are taking his numbers down....but I've always wondered why so many people are stupid enough to base presidential approval on that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on March 16, 2011, 08:34:26 AM
I agree it could easily be fuel prices that are taking his numbers down....but I've always wondered why so many people are stupid enough to base presidential approval on that.

Well it makes more sense than "OMG BAD STUFF IN LIBYA I HATE TEH PREZ".  At least Obama has some measure of control over gas prices.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 16, 2011, 09:02:41 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 42%, -1.

Disapprove 56%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 20%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%,  -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on March 16, 2011, 09:11:38 AM
"Strongly Approve" is at 20%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%,  -1.
Should be 41% Strongly Disapprove (according to the link)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on March 16, 2011, 01:21:21 PM
I agree it could easily be fuel prices that are taking his numbers down....but I've always wondered why so many people are stupid enough to base presidential approval on that.

Well it makes more sense than "OMG BAD STUFF IN LIBYA I HATE TEH PREZ".  At least Obama has some measure of control over gas prices.

What control?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on March 16, 2011, 01:41:19 PM
I agree it could easily be fuel prices that are taking his numbers down....but I've always wondered why so many people are stupid enough to base presidential approval on that.

Well it makes more sense than "OMG BAD STUFF IN LIBYA I HATE TEH PREZ".  At least Obama has some measure of control over gas prices.

What control?

by "Some measure of Control" I mean that he can actually affect drilling policy and legislation regarding the energy market.  Far more control than say, a civil war in Libya or an Earthquake in Japan.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 16, 2011, 01:52:55 PM
Today we have Gallup:

48% Approve (+3)
44% Disapprove (-2)

And 2 times PPP.

2012 PPP poll:

47% Approve
47% Disapprove

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_US_0216424.pdf

DailyKos/PPP:

45% Approve
51% Disapprove

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/3/10

And YouGov (RV):

48% Approve
49% Disapprove

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/20110308trackingreport.pdf

Rasmussen looks like a weird outlier ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 17, 2011, 01:59:12 PM
Rasmussen: 44-55 (+2, -1)

Gallup: 50-43 (+2, -1)

Ohio (PPP): 47-46

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_OH_0317925.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 17, 2011, 02:13:24 PM

Quote
Ohio Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of Barack
Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 47%
Disapprove...................................................... 46%
Not sure .......................................................... 6%

Q6 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 50%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 38%
Undecided....................................................... 12%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mike
Huckabee, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 48%
Mike Huckabee ............................................... 41%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 52%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 36%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 46%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 40%
Undecided....................................................... 14%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_US_0317513.pdf


No slam dunk for President Obama, but every imaginable GOP challenger is behind by at least 6&, which is wider than the President's narrow victory in Ohio in 2008. Significantly (if a different poll), Senator Sherrod Brown isn't in peril of having his Senate seat flipped.   It's not likely that Ohio is more D than the US at large.



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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama,  3                
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  128
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   83
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 100
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  41
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  30
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries.

(
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District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3                  
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  128
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   83
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 98
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 60
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  0
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 17, 2011, 02:19:46 PM
PPP is very likely to poll Michigan next, thus making it likely that it will be "green" soon on the map.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 17, 2011, 02:32:34 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, +2.

Disapprove 55%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%,  u.

While there was a slight bounceback, it looks like some actual erosion in Obama's Rasmussen numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 17, 2011, 03:44:03 PM
Obama's positive in Ohio again? Wow, the Republicans are really screwing up what ground they made up in the Midwest.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: All Along The Watchtower on March 17, 2011, 07:30:08 PM
Also, Obama's been down recently in Gallup.  Not as bad as late last year, but he's back to 46% on a weekly poll for the first time since 2010.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/146522/Obama-Weekly-Job-Approval-Retreats.aspx

Though this seems to be mostly from non-whites (as he's gone from 89% to 81% among Blacks, and 64% to 51% among Hispanics), and Liberals (77% to 71%).

Well, Obama's base in 2008 was non-whites and liberals. Perhaps this shows that his policies (and those of the bipartisan Congress) anger his base more than they anger moderates.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 18, 2011, 01:50:13 AM
FOX News Poll:

49% Approve
44% Disapprove

The Fox News poll is based on landline and cell phone interviews with 913 randomly chosen registered voters nationwide and was conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R) from March 14 to March 16. For the total sample, it has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/17/fox-news-poll-voters-obama-deficit


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on March 18, 2011, 07:14:01 AM
Obama's positive in Ohio again? Wow, the Republicans are really screwing up what ground they made up in the Midwest.

Well, they're running things again in these states... and the disturbing reality of that is setting in.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 18, 2011, 07:35:28 AM
A new Allstate/National Journal Heartland Monitor poll shows the following:

49% Approve
44% Disapprove

http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/some-encouraging-signs-for-the-president-20110318


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 18, 2011, 08:33:04 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, +1.

Disapprove 54%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +5.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%,  -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 18, 2011, 12:42:58 PM
Gallup is 51-42 today (+1, -1).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on March 18, 2011, 12:53:20 PM
Allright, any faith I once held in Rasmussen's polling is pretty much completely gone. Even a Fox News poll is showing more favorable numbers for the President.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on March 18, 2011, 12:56:58 PM
Allright, any faith I once held in Rasmussen's polling is pretty much completely gone. Even a Fox News poll is showing more favorable numbers for the President.

     I don't know about their current pollsters, but back when their polls were done by Opinion Dynamics they had a distinct Democratic lean. That FOX News is a conservative organization doesn't necessarily mean that their polls have a conservative bias.

     With that much said, I do doubt Rasmussen's polls here. They're showing the worst numbers for Obama by a large margin.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on March 18, 2011, 06:50:40 PM
Allright, any faith I once held in Rasmussen's polling is pretty much completely gone. Even a Fox News poll is showing more favorable numbers for the President.

     I don't know about their current pollsters, but back when their polls were done by Opinion Dynamics they had a distinct Democratic lean. That FOX News is a conservative organization doesn't necessarily mean that their polls have a conservative bias.

     With that much said, I do doubt Rasmussen's polls here. They're showing the worst numbers for Obama by a large margin.

Yeah, all other polls (according to RCP) have Obama's approval between 49 and 51%.  Rassmusen at 45% is the outlier.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 19, 2011, 09:01:41 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, +1.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%,  +1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 20, 2011, 12:29:57 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%,  -1.

Definite erosion in Obama's numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on March 20, 2011, 03:50:31 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%,  -1.

Definite erosion in Rasmussen's numbers.

Fixed.

There is a -3 swing in Gallup but it definitely has not been as continuous as this Rasmussen erosion.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 21, 2011, 03:33:32 AM
Montana, Mason-Dixon, but only an Excellent/Good/Fair/Poor poll:

Those polled were asked to rate the job performance of top Montana politicians and President Barack Obama in one of four categories: "excellent," "pretty good," "only fair" or "poor." The "excellent" and "pretty good" scores generally are combined to provide a positive job performance rating.

Montanans gave President Barack Obama a 40 percent job approval rating.

He fared considerably better with women than men in positive job performance scores. Women gave him 48 percent to men's 31 percent. Eighty-seven percent of Democrats gave the president a positive job performance score, while only 4 percent of Republicans did, while 38 percent of independents did.

The poll was done for the Gazette State Bureau by Mason-Dixon Polling & Research Inc. of Washington, D.C., from March 14-16. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/article_c37baa50-c4b2-555a-96ed-b7851b5d80ac.html

That probably means Obama has a 45% approval rating in Montana, because a lot of "fair"-people tend to "approve" ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 21, 2011, 08:38:29 AM
Quote from: J. J. link=topic=91754.msg2848503#msg2848503
[u
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)[/u]

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%,  u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on March 21, 2011, 12:39:55 PM
He's at 46/44 on Gallup.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 21, 2011, 08:54:32 PM
Montana, Mason-Dixon, but only an Excellent/Good/Fair/Poor poll:

Those polled were asked to rate the job performance of top Montana politicians and President Barack Obama in one of four categories: "excellent," "pretty good," "only fair" or "poor." The "excellent" and "pretty good" scores generally are combined to provide a positive job performance rating.

Montanans gave President Barack Obama a 40 percent job approval rating.

He fared considerably better with women than men in positive job performance scores. Women gave him 48 percent to men's 31 percent. Eighty-seven percent of Democrats gave the president a positive job performance score, while only 4 percent of Republicans did, while 38 percent of independents did.

The poll was done for the Gazette State Bureau by Mason-Dixon Polling & Research Inc. of Washington, D.C., from March 14-16. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/article_c37baa50-c4b2-555a-96ed-b7851b5d80ac.html

That probably means Obama has a 45% approval rating in Montana, because a lot of "fair"-people tend to "approve" ...

I show a  "scale of 1 to 5" poll for Georgia, but with an "S". I treated the "3"s as undecided.

EGFP and  and approval polls are apples to oranges.

PPP will soon be showing polls for Michigan and North Carolina. 31 electoral votes. We are likely to see more polls on Montana, including Presidential matchups.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 22, 2011, 07:19:09 AM
3 more polls today:

PPP/DailyKos: 47-47

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/3/17

CNN: 51-47

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/03/21/rel5b.pdf

ARG: 48-47

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/21/usobama-approval-48-appro_10_n_838706.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 22, 2011, 08:54:46 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 53%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%,  u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 22, 2011, 11:24:19 AM
CBS News Poll:

49% Approve
41% Disapprove

As they have been, views of President Obama are polarized by partisanship. 78% of Democrats approve of the job he is doing, but that drops to 18% among Republicans. Independents are more closely divided; 46% approve, and 39% disapprove.

Obama Handling Libya

50% Approve
29% Disapprove

Obama Handling US Response to Japan

73% Approve
14% Disapprove

This poll was conducted by telephone on March 18-21, 2011 among 1,022 adults nationwide. Phone numbers were dialed from samples of both standard land-line and cell phones. The error due to sampling for results based on the entire sample could be plus or minus three percentage points. The error for subgroups is higher. This poll release conforms to the Standards of Disclosure of the National Council on Public Polls.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_Obama_Libya_Japan_032211.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 22, 2011, 06:27:17 PM
Portent on Michigan in the Presidential approval: the Governor is in the doghouse.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_MI_0322925.pdf

Quote
Snyder would lose do-over to Bernero for Michigan governor

Raleigh, N.C. – Rick Snyder trounced Democrat Virg Bernero last November to take
Michigan’s governorship, but if voters could do it over right now, they would narrowly
elect Bernero instead. Snyder has gotten less attention for it than neighboring
Wisconsin’s Scott Walker, but has also proposed weakening the collective bargaining
rights of public employees, among other measures that are proving very unpopular.
Snyder was one of the most popular candidates anywhere in the country last year,
measuring a 43-28 favorability rating in a September PPP poll, the exact opposite of
Bernero’s standing with likely voters. But Snyder is now little more popular than exgovernor
Jennifer Granholm. In a December PPP poll, only 34% of voters approved of
Granholm’s performance, and 57% disapproved. Snyder almost matches that, with a 33-
50 spread. 20% of his own voters and 44% of independents disapprove, and more
Democrats (80%) disapprove than Republicans approve (68%).

Bernero would edge out Snyder, 47-45, if voters could choose their governor again.
Snyder beat Bernero by 18 points, and the fact that this poll’s respondents reported voting
for him by a third of that margin reflects how large the 2010 electorate’s pro-Republican
enthusiasm gap was in a state that normally favors Democrats. On top of the swing in
turnout between November and now, Bernero has still flipped voters toward him by eight
points because 9% of Snyder’s backers would now vote the other way, while only 3% of
Bernero’s voters defect. Part of Democrats’ problem last fall was that their voters did not
turn out as heavily as Republicans’ did. Those who did not vote favor Bernero, 37-32.
Michiganites do not favor recalling Snyder before the next election, however. 49%
oppose and only 38% support the prospect of a recall. Voters do support collective
bargaining for public employees, 59-32, and a constitutional amendment to guarantee that
right by a narrower 49-37, and they oppose Snyder’s move to let state managers void
union contracts and dissolve school districts and local governments, 50-32.

“Last year our polling consistently found remarkably positive numbers for Rick Snyder
with independents,” said Dean Debnam, President of Public Policy Polling. “That didn’t
last very long.”

PPP surveyed 502 Michigan voters from March 18th to 20th. The survey’s margin of error
is +/-4.4%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce
additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

Michigan may simply be ungovernable. The GOP got its chance, and in Michigan it got to play its hand and played the wrong hand. Maybe Rick Snyder isn't as blatant as Scott, Walker, Kasich, and LePage. 



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 22, 2011, 08:38:59 PM
Connecticut (even if it is Daily Kos and the union SEIU, it is by PPP).  


Quote
Barack Obama's job approval here is a healthy 55-39, while freshman Democratic Sen. Richard Blumenthal is at 53-32. New Dem Gov. Dan Malloy doesn't fare as well, but his 39-47 rating is almost certainly due to the fact that he's actually trying to pass a responsible budget. You'll also be pleased to know that Joe Lieberman (if you still remember who he is) has sunk all the way to a 29-58 job approval score, and he's negative with Democrats, independents, and Republicans (in order of descending disgust).



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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Whoops! I can't use it even if it seems reasonable because it has the sponsorship of a union known to be strongly Democratic. Furthermore, Swing State Project seems to be very much a Democratic group in view of its very loaded rhetoric.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 23, 2011, 01:55:20 AM
YESS ! Finally we got a DC poll ( I think this is the first DC poll ever):

District of Columbia/Clarus Poll:

88% Approve

The Clarus Poll was conducted March 21-22, 2011 with a sample of 500 registered voters. Margin of error is +/- 4.4 percent. Interviews were conducted by live telephone interviewing specialists. Clarus conducted this survey for its own use. No client, candidate, or political committee sponsored or paid for this survey.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/clarus-poll-of-dc-voters-mayor-gray-posts-negative-job-rating-118481494.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 23, 2011, 05:29:52 AM
California (Field Poll):

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Re-elect Obama as President?

In this survey, California voters were asked whether they were inclined or not inclined to re-elect Obama to another term. The results show that 49% of voters currently favor his re-election, while 40% do not.

Obama’s re-election percentages in California compare favorably to those of his two immediate predecessors in office.

In July 2003, during the third year of Republican President George W. Bush’s first term, a Field Poll showed that California voters were about evenly split about his re-election — 46% inclined and 44% disinclined.. While Bush narrowly won reelection nationally, he ended up losing California to Democrat Senator John Kerry by ten points.

In 1995, during the third year of Democratic President Bill Clinton’s first term, more Californians were disinclined (56%) than inclined (36%) to re-elect him to another term. National polls at the time were showing similar sentiments among U.S. voters. However, the mood of voters here and countrywide swung around and Clinton was re-elected in 1996. In that election he carried California by thirteen points over Republican Senator Bob Dole.

http://media.sacbee.com/smedia/2011/03/22/15/fieldpoll.source.prod_affiliate.4.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 23, 2011, 08:39:22 AM
Two in the "I am not surprised" category, except that someone actually polled DC:

YESS ! Finally we got a DC poll ( I think this is the first DC poll ever):

District of Columbia/Clarus Poll:

88% Approve

The Clarus Poll was conducted March 21-22, 2011 with a sample of 500 registered voters. Margin of error is +/- 4.4 percent. Interviews were conducted by live telephone interviewing specialists. Clarus conducted this survey for its own use. No client, candidate, or political committee sponsored or paid for this survey.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/clarus-poll-of-dc-voters-mayor-gray-posts-negative-job-rating-118481494.html

Field, CA, 54-37

I don't have to assume anything about DC anymore.



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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, 90% blue


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  134
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   83
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 100
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  41
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  30
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  134
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   83
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 98
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 60
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  0
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  

[/quote]


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 23, 2011, 08:50:03 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 53%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%,  -3.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on March 23, 2011, 08:54:09 AM
Looks like Scotty realized last week his numbers were more "outlier" than "selling the narrative" and trimmed sails accordingly. ::)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 23, 2011, 11:05:13 AM
pbrower, you need to change your map for DC.

DC is still blue on it, it needs to be dark green.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 23, 2011, 11:22:53 AM
pbrower, you need to change your map for DC.

DC is still blue on it, it needs to be dark green.

It may be hard to tell that shade of green from midnight blue on the approval map, but I made the change. I also 'assimilated' DC into the national pattern as 'just another' three electoral votes that the President would get with 10% or more. Extreme deep red just doesn't show in a box.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on March 23, 2011, 12:09:59 PM
He's at 45/46 on Gallup today. So it's official: there's no Libya bounce at all.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 23, 2011, 04:58:43 PM
NC, PPP. 48-46.


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  134
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   83
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 100
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  41
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  30
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. An asterisk applies to a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  134
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   83
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 85
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but Huckabee 15
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 60
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  0
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on March 23, 2011, 07:11:29 PM
Obama at 39%

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/NewsRoom/HarrisPolls/tabid/447/ctl/ReadCustom%20Default/mid/1508/ArticleId/725/Default.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on March 23, 2011, 07:39:08 PM
lol lol lol lol

I have a hard enough time buying Rasmussen's numbers, these are just silly.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 24, 2011, 01:32:01 AM
lol lol lol lol

I have a hard enough time buying Rasmussen's numbers, these are just silly.

It has to do with the fact that Hillary2012 not only posts an Internet poll by Harris, but the fact that it's also an "Excellent/Good/Fair/Poor" poll, which cannot be compared with "Approve/Disapprove" polls. A really good number of "Fair" voters would vote "Approve" in such a poll, therefore Harris' model underestimates Obama's support by at least 5%.

And pbrower, you need to change the code in your map for DC:

DC=2;C;9&FL=4;A;3&GA=4;S;5

to

DC=3;C;9&FL=4;A;3&GA=4;S;5


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 24, 2011, 01:58:46 AM
CA (PPIC):

Adults: 56-38

Registered Voters: 54-42

Likely Voters: 52-44

Findings are based on a telephone survey of 2,000 California adult residents interviewed on landlines and cell phones from March 8–15, 2011. Interviews were conducted in English or Spanish according to respondents’ preferences. The sampling error, taking design effects from weighting into consideration, is ±2.8 percent for all adults, ±3.7 percent for the 1,328 registered voters, and ±4.2 percent for the 935 likely voters.

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/other/APR_Obama0311.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 24, 2011, 08:54:25 AM
Rasmussen is 48-52 today.

Ohio (Quinnipiac):

President Obama has a split 47 - 48 percent job approval rating, compared to 49 - 46 percent in a January 20 survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University.

Ohio voters are split 45 - 46 percent on whether President Barack Obama deserves a second term, but they favor him over an unnamed Republican 2012 challenger 41 - 34 percent, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1322.xml?ReleaseID=1571


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 24, 2011, 09:24:42 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%,  u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on March 24, 2011, 10:46:41 AM
Rasmussen is 48-52 today.

Ohio (Quinnipiac):

President Obama has a split 47 - 48 percent job approval rating, compared to 49 - 46 percent in a January 20 survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University.

Ohio voters are split 45 - 46 percent on whether President Barack Obama deserves a second term, but they favor him over an unnamed Republican 2012 challenger 41 - 34 percent, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1322.xml?ReleaseID=1571

Although I don't like Obama, it is good to know that the Republican brand is already back in the toilet, where it belongs.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 24, 2011, 09:01:55 PM
Obama at 39%

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/NewsRoom/HarrisPolls/tabid/447/ctl/ReadCustom%20Default/mid/1508/ArticleId/725/Default.aspx

Interactive polls are worthless because they are easily manipulated.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 25, 2011, 11:00:44 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, -1.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%,  -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 25, 2011, 12:39:04 PM
Michigan, PPP:

Quote
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 47%
Disapprove...................................................... 45%
Not sure .......................................................... 7%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 53%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 37%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mike
Huckabee, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 50%
Mike Huckabee ............................................... 41%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 55%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 35%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 48%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 41%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Scott Walker, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 52%
Scott Walker ................................................... 32%
Undecided....................................................... 16%


The President is not wildly popular in Michigan, but he would beat every imaginable GOP nominee.

Governor Scott Walker, of either neighboring or across-the-lake Wisconsin depending on what peninsula in Michigan one is in, has been very visible to Michigan media, and he would lose Michigan badly if he were to be the GOP nominee for President.  Interesting inclusion here and very telling. He would be no asset as a VP nominee.

Even with a 47-45 split between approval and disapproval, President Obama would defeat any imaginable GOP nominee for President decisively in Michigan. 

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  134
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   83
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 100
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  41
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  30
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. An asterisk applies to a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  134
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   83
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 85
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but Huckabee 15
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 60
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  0
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 26, 2011, 09:16:44 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%,  +3.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 27, 2011, 09:00:20 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, -1.

Disapprove 53%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%,  -1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 28, 2011, 12:55:25 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%,  -1.

The really wild swings have been in the Strongly Approved numbers.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on March 28, 2011, 09:50:01 PM
Gallup continues to have slightly less approval than Rasmussen, but Rasmussen continues to have +4 more disapproval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 29, 2011, 01:24:51 AM
PPP/DailyKos:

45% Approve
48% Disapprove

Public Policy Polling, 1002 Registered Voters, MoE 3.1%, Mar 25, 2011 - Mar 27, 2011

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/3/25


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 29, 2011, 02:51:21 AM
PPP/DailyKos:

45% Approve
48% Disapprove

Public Policy Polling, 1002 Registered Voters, MoE 3.1%, Mar 25, 2011 - Mar 27, 2011

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/3/25

So much for pro-Obama bias by PPP!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 29, 2011, 08:36:54 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43%, -4.

Disapprove 56%, +4.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%,  +2.

I'd suspect a skewed anti-Obama sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 29, 2011, 12:00:25 PM
NC (Civitas):

47% Approve
50% Disapprove

http://www.nccivitas.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Perdue-Obama-Job-Approval-March-11-PR-CTs.pdf

Note for Pbrower:

Please do not change the map, the PPP North Carolina poll is the newer one.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 29, 2011, 04:02:07 PM
NC (Civitas):

47% Approve
50% Disapprove

http://www.nccivitas.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Perdue-Obama-Job-Approval-March-11-PR-CTs.pdf

Note for Pbrower:

Please do not change the map, the PPP North Carolina poll is the newer one.

I will change the map, but not for North Carolina. Mississippi checks in:


Quote
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 42%
Disapprove...................................................... 54%
Not sure .......................................................... 3%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 42%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 48%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mike
Huckabee, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 40%
Mike Huckabee ............................................... 54%
Undecided....................................................... 6%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 44%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 48%
Undecided....................................................... 8%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 40%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 46%
Undecided....................................................... 13%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Haley Barbour, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 41%
Haley Barbour................................................. 51%
Undecided....................................................... 7%

Mississippi politics are really tribal, and a rigid application of the model might be deceptive. President Obama projects to lose to every imaginable GOP nominee -- even Sarah Palin. Note well that he likely loses by single digits in Mississippi to anyone but Mike Huckabee, and Mike Huckabee probably wins by about as much as John McCain did in 2008 because Huckabee is a good fit, at least culturally, for Mississippi.

 

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  134
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   83
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 100
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  41
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  36
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. An asterisk applies to a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  134
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   83
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 85
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but Huckabee 15
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 60
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  6
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 29, 2011, 04:04:31 PM
I was going to put this in my previous post, but the Forum software rejected it for excessive verbiage.

The last Democratic Presidential nominee to win Mississippi was Jimmy Carter (1976 -- ancient history as contemporary politics go), who then had a "good ol' boy" persona that President Obama could never affect effectively even if he were white.   

The only ways in which President Obama can win Mississippi involve Sarah Palin as nominee with her making absurd statements on military affairs or foreign policy when such are going well for President Obama but seem to depend upon the re-election of President Obama (white Southerners are the only large group of white people who have a disproportionate  membership in the Armed Forces) or that white Mississippians are able to abandon their tribalistic voting within the next two years. The first would depend upon some contingencies, and the second looks highly unlikely.

....

Favorite Son Haley Barbour would defeat President Obama decisively -- probably by a margin in the high single digits -- in Mississippi. But a 54-46 split of a home state (which is about what a 51-41 split suggests) is very poor for a Favorite Son who has a favorable image in his own state. The Favorite Son advantage is typically worth about 10%, and even a conservative estimate of the effect of the Favorite Son effect and that Mississippi is itself about R+10 suggests that Barbour would lose about 57-43 nationwide. Such would be enough to ensure that President Obama not only wins everything that he won in 2008, but also that he would also flip Missouri, Montana, Georgia, Arizona, South Carolina, and both Dakotas and be on the brink of winning Texas, Kentucky, and Tennessee.  John Thune does better in South Dakota, and my analysis of the 57-something split against President Obama in South Dakota by him suggests that Thune would do badly nationwide.

As a second-tier candidate, Haley Barbour might be as relevant for discussion as a VP nominee. As I see it, the only reason for any nominee to select him for VP will be that he is to play a role similar to that of Dick Cheney as Vice-President (whether one likes that or not), because (1) he's not going to be any political asset outside the South, and (2) if solidifying the vote in the Deep South seems necessary in 2012, then the 2012 Presidential election is a lost cause for the Republicans anyway.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 30, 2011, 07:43:19 AM
Quinnipiac:

42% Approve
48% Disapprove

In a hypothetical 2012 matchup, President Obama gets 36 percent of the vote to 37 percent for an unnamed Republican challenger.

...

From March 22 - 28, Quinnipiac University surveyed 2,069 registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.2 percentage points. Live interviewers call land lines and cell phones.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1575


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 30, 2011, 08:40:38 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43%, u.

Disapprove 56%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%,  +1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Reaganfan on March 30, 2011, 02:22:08 PM
His approval has dropped like a rock in a bathtub the last few days. Not just Rasmussen either. Has to be from his Libya address.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on March 30, 2011, 03:28:57 PM
For once Gallup is the outlier, not Rasmussen. Probably from disillusioned liberals jumping ship after Libya.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 30, 2011, 03:53:39 PM
His approval has dropped like a rock in a bathtub the last few days. Not just Rasmussen either. Has to be from his Libya address.

After Dubya, any form of war looks unspeakably horrible to many American liberals.

If this war (let's not kid ourselves that it is anything else) is over quickly and decisively with a good result limited to an erratic dictator either in flight, in custody, or in a casket, then this is more like Grenada than Iraq.

So far I give 100% of the fault for the civil war in Libya to Muammar Qaddafi.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on March 30, 2011, 04:21:46 PM
His approval has dropped like a rock in a bathtub the last few days. Not just Rasmussen either. Has to be from his Libya address.

After Dubya, any form of war looks unspeakably horrible to many American liberals.

If this war (let's not kid ourselves that it is anything else) is over quickly and decisively with a good result limited to an erratic dictator either in flight, in custody, or in a casket, then this is more like Grenada than Iraq.

So far I give 100% of the fault for the civil war in Libya to Muammar Qaddafi.

     The question is, will swing voters agree with that, or even agree with the question as posed? In politics, perception is not reality, but pretty close to it. If Obama is perceived as being at fault, then him not actually being at fault is a hollow comfort for him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 31, 2011, 01:03:53 AM
Hawaii (PPP):

64% Approve
29% Disapprove

Public Policy Polling, 898 Registered Voters, MoE 3.3%, Mar 24, 2011 - Mar 27, 2011

http://www.dailykos.com/polling/2011/3/24/HI/30/eQhgB


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 31, 2011, 06:33:24 AM
His approval has dropped like a rock in a bathtub the last few days. Not just Rasmussen either. Has to be from his Libya address.

After Dubya, any form of war looks unspeakably horrible to many American liberals.

If this war (let's not kid ourselves that it is anything else) is over quickly and decisively with a good result limited to an erratic dictator either in flight, in custody, or in a casket, then this is more like Grenada than Iraq.

So far I give 100% of the fault for the civil war in Libya to Muammar Qaddafi.

1.  It might be more the hypocrisy factor.  Obama was supposedly anti-war, and he's slowly entering one (though I can make the case he should).

2.  This won't be a short war.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on March 31, 2011, 08:06:21 AM
His approval has dropped like a rock in a bathtub the last few days. Not just Rasmussen either. Has to be from his Libya address.

After Dubya, any form of war looks unspeakably horrible to many American liberals.

If this war (let's not kid ourselves that it is anything else) is over quickly and decisively with a good result limited to an erratic dictator either in flight, in custody, or in a casket, then this is more like Grenada than Iraq.

So far I give 100% of the fault for the civil war in Libya to Muammar Qaddafi.

1.  It might be more the hypocrisy factor.  Obama was supposedly anti-war, and he's slowly entering one (though I can make the case he should).

2.  This won't be a short war.

No, J.J., Obama was never "anti-war". He opposed the Iraq War, and supported (supports) the Afghanistan War. In fact, he argued (and argues) that intervention in Iraq kept valuable resources--troops, material, funds, diplomatic and intelligence resources, and attention--diverted from the real war against the Taliban and Osama bin-Laden. In retrospect of the WMD hunt in Iraq and the Taliban's resurgence, he was not only entirely correct, but remarkably consistent.

We didn't elect a pacifist, J.J. ::) The only voters who find "hypocrisy" in Obama's actions are the one's who can't distinguish between Obama and Kucinich and accordingly aren't about to vote for him in the first place.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ragevein on March 31, 2011, 10:10:26 AM
Hawaii (PPP):

64% Approve
29% Disapprove

Public Policy Polling, 898 Registered Voters, MoE 3.3%, Mar 24, 2011 - Mar 27, 2011

http://www.dailykos.com/polling/2011/3/24/HI/30/eQhgB


Libya bump.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 31, 2011, 10:12:46 AM
Hawaii (PPP):

64% Approve
29% Disapprove

Public Policy Polling, 898 Registered Voters, MoE 3.3%, Mar 24, 2011 - Mar 27, 2011

http://www.dailykos.com/polling/2011/3/24/HI/30/eQhgB


Libya bump.

No.

His approvals in Hawaii are always in the 60-70% range, that's nothing new.

He won there with more than 70% after all.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 31, 2011, 10:51:17 AM

No, J.J., Obama was never "anti-war". He opposed the Iraq War, and supported (supports) the Afghanistan War. In fact, he argued (and argues) that intervention in Iraq kept valuable resources--troops, material, funds, diplomatic and intelligence resources, and attention--diverted from the real war against the Taliban and Osama bin-Laden. In retrospect of the WMD hunt in Iraq and the Taliban's resurgence, he was not only entirely correct, but remarkably consistent.

We didn't elect a pacifist, J.J. ::) The only voters who find "hypocrisy" in Obama's actions are the one's who can't distinguish between Obama and Kucinich and accordingly aren't about to vote for him in the first place.

I think it is the left that has this problem.  Like I said, I can make the case that there should be they type of intervention Obama is doing and contemplating.

This is more criticism of the left than it is of Obama or even the Democrats in general.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 31, 2011, 10:53:25 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, +1.

Disapprove 55%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%,  +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 31, 2011, 01:12:58 PM
And Florida checks in with 48-47.

That makes it "all green" in the Obama states for the first time in a long period ... ;)

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_FL_03311023.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 31, 2011, 03:20:56 PM

A state not polled since June of last year finally checks in!

(cue drum roll)

Hawaii (PPP):

64% Approve
29% Disapprove

Public Policy Polling, 898 Registered Voters, MoE 3.3%, Mar 24, 2011 - Mar 27, 2011

http://www.dailykos.com/polling/2011/3/24/HI/30/eQhgB

It's Hawaii.

(Cue anticlimactic moans).

Not so anticlimactic:
And Florida checks in with 48-47.

That makes it "all green" in the Obama states for the first time in a long period ... ;)

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_FL_03311023.pdf


Except for Indiana, and only due to our ignorance for a lack of polls. It would almost certainly be on the margin, like Arizona and Missouri. Robot polls aren't allowed in Indiana, so that state will be a blank for a while.
 
The Presidential election of 2012 now projects to look much like that of 2008 if nothing changes over slightly more than 19 months.

PPP polls Georgia and New Hampshire this week.   

 

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  138
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   83
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 100
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  41
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  36
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. An asterisk applies to a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  138
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   83
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 85
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but Huckabee 15
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 60
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  6
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on March 31, 2011, 04:22:37 PM
His approval has dropped like a rock in a bathtub the last few days. Not just Rasmussen either. Has to be from his Libya address.

After Dubya, any form of war looks unspeakably horrible to many American liberals.

If this war (let's not kid ourselves that it is anything else) is over quickly and decisively with a good result limited to an erratic dictator either in flight, in custody, or in a casket, then this is more like Grenada than Iraq.

So far I give 100% of the fault for the civil war in Libya to Muammar Qaddafi.

1.  It might be more the hypocrisy factor.  Obama was supposedly anti-war, and he's slowly entering one (though I can make the case he should).

2.  This won't be a short war.

And what exactly do you draw this conclusion from other than the (D) beside Obama's name?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on March 31, 2011, 04:54:51 PM
PPP/DailyKos:

45% Approve
48% Disapprove

Public Policy Polling, 1002 Registered Voters, MoE 3.1%, Mar 25, 2011 - Mar 27, 2011

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/3/25

So much for pro-Obama bias by PPP!

No, it seems like their nation-wide polling is significantly less friendly to Obama than their individual state-polling, which suggest either their procedure are different, or that the state they haven't polled individually have soured more on obama than the states they have.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 31, 2011, 05:08:31 PM
His approval has dropped like a rock in a bathtub the last few days. Not just Rasmussen either. Has to be from his Libya address.

After Dubya, any form of war looks unspeakably horrible to many American liberals.

If this war (let's not kid ourselves that it is anything else) is over quickly and decisively with a good result limited to an erratic dictator either in flight, in custody, or in a casket, then this is more like Grenada than Iraq.

So far I give 100% of the fault for the civil war in Libya to Muammar Qaddafi.

1.  It might be more the hypocrisy factor.  Obama was supposedly anti-war, and he's slowly entering one (though I can make the case he should).

2.  This won't be a short war.

And what exactly do you draw this conclusion from other than the (D) beside Obama's name?

It has nothing to do with Obama.  It has everything to do with the lack of a solid rebel army in the field.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on March 31, 2011, 08:58:30 PM
Gallup
49 approve
43 disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 01, 2011, 11:17:10 AM
It seems like SurveyUSA dropped their monthly approval rating polls for selected states once and for all.

I remember that they polled all 50 states each month from 2004-2006, then they only polled about 16 states each month and after the 2010 elections, only 4 states were polled each month (with very weird results lately).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 01, 2011, 01:20:56 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, +1.

Disapprove 54%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%,  u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 02, 2011, 12:24:20 AM
It seems like SurveyUSA dropped their monthly approval rating polls for selected states once and for all.

Hmm. They posted them tonight ... :P

California: 48-46

Kansas: 35-62

Oregon: 44-53

Washington: 48-49


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 02, 2011, 01:11:02 AM
Florida - Viewpoint Florida (R):

43% Approve
54% Disapprove

Democrats approve 65-30, Republicans 22-78 and Independents 51-49.

The sample is 45% GOP, 40% DEM, 15% IND.

http://viewpointflorida.org/index.php/site/article/majority_of_florida_voters_disapprove_of_obama_but_support_libyan_inte/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 02, 2011, 01:20:58 AM
Florida - Viewpoint Florida (R):

43% Approve
54% Disapprove

Democrats approve 65-30, Republicans 22-78 and Independents 51-49.

The sample is 45% GOP, 40% DEM, 15% IND.

http://viewpointflorida.org/index.php/site/article/majority_of_florida_voters_disapprove_of_obama_but_support_libyan_inte/

Bad sample.

It seems like SurveyUSA dropped their monthly approval rating polls for selected states once and for all.

Hmm. They posted them tonight ... :P

California: 48-46

Kansas: 35-62

Oregon: 44-53

Washington: 48-49

Do these fellows ever choose different states? Or get different results?

Nothing useful here, so no new maps.

PPP will soon have Georgia and New Hampshire, states likely on the fringes of contest in 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 02, 2011, 08:50:30 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, +2.

Disapprove 52%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on April 02, 2011, 09:09:54 AM
Pbrower picking and choosing what to include on the map? I don't believe it!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 02, 2011, 09:22:46 AM
Pbrower picking and choosing what to include on the map? I don't believe it!

SurveyUSA's polls are indeed very "out of the line".

A) They poll ADULTS and show ridiculously low approvals for Obama in states with high minority populations and where other polls such as the respected Field poll or PPIC have Obama close to 60% among ADULTS in California.

B) The 2010 Exit Polls mostly proved SurveyUSA's approval polls wrong:

CA Exit Poll: 53-44 Approve, SurveyUSA poll in Mid-October: 45-49
OR Exit Poll: 53-47 Approve, SurveyUSA poll in Mid-October: 47-51
WA Exit Poll: 51-49 Approve, SurveyUSA poll in Mid-October: 52-44

And adult polls show typically higher values for Obama, only the WA poll was correct for an adult-screen ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 02, 2011, 03:06:41 PM
Esthetic change. Rather than using an asterisk for a tie for one candidate against President Obama in the case in which only one potential GOP candidate can tie President Obama in 2012. I am going to use a tan shade for such a situation. Watch North Carolina. See the asterisk disappear.

The purpose is to show the possibility of a tie in a state with a small or compact state. Such states are generally not likely to need such treatment.

 

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  138
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   83
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 100
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  41
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  36
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I am adding a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. An asterisk applies to a A tan color will be used for a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  138
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   83
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 85
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but Huckabee but ties Huckabee 15
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 60
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  6
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on April 02, 2011, 04:00:39 PM
Obama approval rating March 2011 (Gallup):

47% Approve

45% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 45/42 (March 1979)

Reagan: 41/49 (March 1983)

Bush I: 86/8 (March 1991)

Clinton: 45/46 (March 1995)

Bush II: 65/31 (March 2003)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 03, 2011, 09:14:16 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -2.

Disapprove 53%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on April 03, 2011, 02:21:27 PM
Gallup Approval Polling - Obama (National) (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve - 46% (no change)

Disapprove - 46% (+1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on April 03, 2011, 07:13:24 PM
I love reading this thread after long periods of time and how different the Rasmussen numbers are every few days. If the numbers are to be believed from Rasmussen voters have gone from disliking to liking to disliking to liking Obama like a rollercoaster in the last two and ahalf weeks, basically.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on April 03, 2011, 07:21:57 PM
I love reading this thread after long periods of time and how different the Rasmussen numbers are every few days. If the numbers are to be believed from Rasmussen voters have gone from disliking to liking to disliking to liking Obama like a rollercoaster in the last two and ahalf weeks, basically.

yeah, their weekend polls and their weekday polls are noticeably different.  its why their long term graph looks like this:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 03, 2011, 10:10:22 PM
I love reading this thread after long periods of time and how different the Rasmussen numbers are every few days. If the numbers are to be believed from Rasmussen voters have gone from disliking to liking to disliking to liking Obama like a rollercoaster in the last two and ahalf weeks, basically.

It could be over events over which the President has little control -- like revolutions in Tunisia, Egypt, and now Libya.

I figure that if there were weekly approval ratings of President Harry Truman, they would likely have had a close correspondence to the latitude of the front line in Korea.
 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 04, 2011, 01:46:50 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, +3.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -2.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ragevein on April 04, 2011, 02:09:22 PM
Libya bump.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on April 04, 2011, 02:15:08 PM
Gallup Approval Polling - Obama (National) (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve - 46% (no change)

Disapprove - 45% (-1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on April 04, 2011, 06:25:29 PM
Gallup's total for last week was 48% to 44%.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

Though interestingly, Obama is at only 57% with non-white Adults (55% with Hispanics, and 84% with Blacks), so Gallup must have polled a bunch of really Republicans Asians last week to get those numbers like that.  That's also the lowest rating from that group for him period (next lowest is 63%), and since its such a big drop, its probably just statistical noise.  Although, this means that non-whites are only 9 points more approving of Obama than the country as a whole.

Also, Obama's been a bit down with blacks lately, getting less than 85% with them the last 2 weeks compared to the usual high-80s and low-90s he got most of last year.

EDIT: Forgot Gallup polls was Adults rather than Registered Voters


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 05, 2011, 09:50:41 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, -1.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.

Not only no Libya bump, but the rebels are being pushed back.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 05, 2011, 12:57:49 PM
Georgia, a state in reach of President Obama. Such would be a disaster for the GOP because the GOP absolutely needs this state which was about R+7 in 2008. Huckabee and Romney would both barely win it.  I might have expected Huckabee to win it more decisively because the demographics of Georgia are fairly close to those of Arkansas. It is possible to lose with 50% approval in a state if the opponent is a better match for the state or district, but the majority of such cases are anomalies.  

I still think that President Obama is the wrong Democrat for Georgia as a cultural mismatch, but even without an Obama win of the state, the Democrats might pick up a House seat or two there.

Gingrich seems to be fading quickly, and he would lose his own state. This is worse for him than it was in the last PPP poll. Huckabee and Romney are holding their own, so I figure that it is not so much President Obama who is gaining in Georgia (he is, but not that fast) as it is Gingrich self-destructing.  

President Obama isn't doing particularly well in New Hampshire (46-46  tie in approval and disapproval); he would barely defeat Romney, if within the usual margin of error, but win decisively against everyone else.  But to have a chance to win New Hampshire, the Republicans have to concede North Carolina, which would be a horrible trade.  

 

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  138
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   83
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 116
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  41
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  20
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  138
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   83
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 85
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but Huckabee but ties Huckabee 15
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 60
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  6
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 06, 2011, 08:36:45 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, +1.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, -3.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on April 07, 2011, 07:52:55 AM
Maybe some rebound from the budget impasse? I think it reminds people of the alternative of GOP rule. Few outside the tea party (and maybe some Democratic pollsters ;)) likes the idea of a shutdown.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 07, 2011, 08:42:00 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, -1.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 08, 2011, 12:49:37 AM
Florida (Quinnipiac University):

44% Approve
52% Disapprove

From March 29 - April 4, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,499 registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.9 percentage points. Live interviewers call land lines and cell phones.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1584

Virginia (Roanoke College):

33.6% Approve
56.7% Disapprove

Interviewing for The Roanoke College Poll was conducted by The Institute for Opinion and Policy Research at Roanoke College in Salem, Va. between March 17 and March 30, 2011. The sample consisted of 437 residents of Virginia. The sample of phone numbers was prepared by Survey Sampling Inc. of Fairfield, Conn. and was created so that all residential telephone numbers, including unlisted numbers, had a known chance of inclusion.

Questions answered by the entire sample of 437 likely voters are subject to a sampling error of plus or minus approximately 4.7 percent at the 95 percent level of confidence. This means that in 95 out of 100 samples like the one used here, the results obtained should be no more than 4.7 percentage points above or below the figure that would be obtained by interviewing all registered voters who have a telephone. Where the results of subgroups are reported, the sampling error is higher.

http://roanoke.edu/News_and_Events/Campus_News/RC_Poll_Spring_2011.htm

Update:

Washington Post Polling Director Jon Cohen warns to be cautious of this poll. "Results were adjusted only for gender, and the resulting sample is not representative of Virginia's racial composition, its age structure or regional population densities. Each of these factors is related to partisan preferences."

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/04/07/allen_opens_early_lead_over_kaine.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 08, 2011, 12:54:39 AM
New Jersey (FDU):

47% Approve
42% Disapprove

The Fairleigh Dickinson University poll of 711 registered voters statewide was conducted by telephone using both landlines and cell phones from March 29 through April 4, 2011, and has a margin of error of +/-4 percentage points.

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/prez1104/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 08, 2011, 09:23:12 AM
New Jersey (FDU):

47% Approve
42% Disapprove

The Fairleigh Dickinson University poll of 711 registered voters statewide was conducted by telephone using both landlines and cell phones from March 29 through April 4, 2011, and has a margin of error of +/-4 percentage points.

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/prez1104/


Huge number of undecided (13%).

Florida (Quinnipiac University):

44% Approve
52% Disapprove

From March 29 - April 4, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,499 registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.9 percentage points. Live interviewers call land lines and cell phones.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1584

Virginia (Roanoke College):

33.6% Approve
56.7% Disapprove

Interviewing for The Roanoke College Poll was conducted by The Institute for Opinion and Policy Research at Roanoke College in Salem, Va. between March 17 and March 30, 2011. The sample consisted of 437 residents of Virginia. The sample of phone numbers was prepared by Survey Sampling Inc. of Fairfield, Conn. and was created so that all residential telephone numbers, including unlisted numbers, had a known chance of inclusion.

Questions answered by the entire sample of 437 likely voters are subject to a sampling error of plus or minus approximately 4.7 percent at the 95 percent level of confidence. This means that in 95 out of 100 samples like the one used here, the results obtained should be no more than 4.7 percentage points above or below the figure that would be obtained by interviewing all registered voters who have a telephone. Where the results of subgroups are reported, the sampling error is higher.

http://roanoke.edu/News_and_Events/Campus_News/RC_Poll_Spring_2011.htm

Update:

Washington Post Polling Director Jon Cohen warns to be cautious of this poll. "Results were adjusted only for gender, and the resulting sample is not representative of Virginia's racial composition, its age structure or regional population densities. Each of these factors is related to partisan preferences."

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/04/07/allen_opens_early_lead_over_kaine.html

I accept the one for Florida, but not for Virginia. There's no excuse for a poll that fails to fit the ethnic reality of a state in which ethnicity shapes voting practices.

 An edge of "Generic Republican" over President Obama means nothing now and will mean nothing in 2012, when "Generic Republican" will be in hibernation. No specific matchups are shown in Quinnipiac, so I will have to leave a blank  for those.  The President probably wins any likely matchup with any specific nominee, and Governor Rick Scott will be a detriment to any GOP nominee for President.
 

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  126
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   83
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 101
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  70
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  20
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  138
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   83
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 85
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  29
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but Huckabee but ties Huckabee 15
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 89
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  6
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 08, 2011, 10:38:25 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, -1.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 36%, -1.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on April 08, 2011, 02:23:32 PM
As someone who lives near Roanoke College (as in, 15 minutes away from here), I can safely say the VA poll is really, really off. Unless of course they just polled Salem City. Then it's right on the money.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 08, 2011, 03:26:58 PM
A college poll showing crap results? Wow, i'd never have known it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 09, 2011, 12:10:41 AM
NJ (Rutgers, with 3 measures, not one of them usable for the map):

Please rate how Barack Obama is handling his job as President, using a grading scale from A to F, You can give him any full letter grade, A, B, C, D, or F.

A - 14%
B - 32%
C - 27%
D - 16%
F - 10%

Please rate how Barack Obama is handling his job as president. Is it excellent, good, fair, or poor?

13% Excellent
34% Good
31% Fair
22% Poor

I'd like to ask about some people and organizations. Please tell me if your general impression of each one is favorable or unfavorable, or if you do not have an opinion. First, President Barack Obama:

55% Favorable
32% Unfavorable

LOL.

http://eagletonpoll.rutgers.edu/polls/release_04-08-11.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on April 09, 2011, 03:53:07 AM
     I am starting to suspect that pollsters don't have any actual notion of approval ratings & why people would be interested in them. -_-


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 09, 2011, 11:35:23 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, -1.

Disapprove 53%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, +1.






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 10, 2011, 08:38:30 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -1.

Disapprove 54%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, +1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on April 11, 2011, 09:11:28 AM
Obama's below 20% Strong Approval today in Ras for the first time.  It makes sense i guess (I can't see agreeing to ~40 Billion in Spending cuts being popular with Liberals)

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 11, 2011, 09:12:10 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, -1.

Disapprove 55%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 19%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, u.

The Strongly Approve number is the lowest of the Obama presidency and occurs after a week of low numbers.  It might, however, represent the lower edge of those low numbers.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 11, 2011, 10:26:40 AM
Obama's below 20% Strong Approval today in Ras for the first time.  It makes sense i guess (I can't see agreeing to ~40 Billion in Spending cuts being popular with Liberals)

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

The Republican majority in the House is in a position to play rough -- and has every incentive to do so. It has taken the gamble that it can convince people of its  wisdom between now and November 2012 that America suddenly underwent a cultural change late in 2010 that will last indefinitely and one that can be legislated into permanence.

I continue to predict that President Obama will do much as Truman did in 1948 -- run against Congressional Republicans.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ariosto on April 11, 2011, 01:52:05 PM
Yes but you have a Democratic Senate along with a Republican House. I don't know if that message will be as effective when Congress is seen to be divided between John Boehner and Harry Reid rather than if it was between John Boehner and Mitch McConnell.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 11, 2011, 02:25:00 PM
NY (Siena):

63% Favorable
34% Unfavorable

52% Re-elect
39% Prefer someone else

http://www.siena.edu/uploadedfiles/home/Parents_and_Community/Community_Page/SRI/SNY_Poll/041111SNYPollReleaseFINAL.pdf

FL (Mason Dixon):

43% Approve
51% Disapprove

http://www.ronsachs.com/docs/prespoll.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on April 11, 2011, 04:45:05 PM
I guess NY isn't going to be a battleground in 2012. Shucks!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 11, 2011, 04:58:09 PM
The Mason-Dixon poll concurs with the Quinnipiac poll. The average changes nothing.  

The Siena poll is favorable. unfavorable, and thus not usable.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on April 11, 2011, 08:20:33 PM
Gallup's Weekly averages are out:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=post;topic=91754.7695;num_replies=7705

In Short: Obama's down from last week across the board, and last week's fairly poor non-white approval numbers have only slightly recovered.  he's in the low 50s with Hispanics, mid 80s with blacks, and around 38% with Whites.  He dropped 7 points with both Liberals and Moderates, but gained 3 with Conservatives.  He's also down 11 with Moderate/Liberal Republicans and 9 with "Pure Independents".


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 12, 2011, 09:24:30 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, +2.

Disapprove 54%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, u.

The Strongly Approve number from yesterday (19%) appears to be a blip.  However, this is the first time the numbers have been below 23% for four days in a row.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 12, 2011, 03:27:46 PM
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/04/obama-in-dicey-shape-in-pennsylvania.html

President Obama has gone into the hole in Pennsylvania (42-52), which may reflect the poor nationwide polls by Rasmussen and declines in statewide polls in Florida from earlier ones. He would lose the state to Romney within the margin of error and barely beat Huckabee. To be sure, the voting sample is similar to that of 2010...

 

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


           
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  138
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   83
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 96
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  41
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  40
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

(
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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  138
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   83
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 85
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but Huckabee but ties Huckabee 15
Obama wins against all but  Romney 20
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 60
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  6
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 13, 2011, 09:40:56 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, +2.

Disapprove 51%, -3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, -2.






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 13, 2011, 10:25:36 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, +2.

Disapprove 51%, -3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, -2.


Substantial swing, and back to normal.  Take a good look at this:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_US_0412513.pdf


Quote
National Survey Results

Q1 If there was an election for Congress today,
would you vote for the Democratic or
Republican candidate from your district?
Democrat ........................................................ 46%
Republican...................................................... 41%
Not sure .......................................................... 13%

Q2 Do you think the Republicans are doing a
better job than the Democrats did while in
charge of the House of Representatives, a
worse job, or is it about the same?
Better job ........................................................ 36%
Worse job........................................................ 43%
About the same............................................... 19%
Not sure .......................................................... 2%

Q3 Do you have more faith in Barack Obama or
Congressional Republicans to lead the country
in the right direction?
Barack Obama................................................ 48%
Congressional Republicans ............................ 42%
Not sure .......................................................... 10%

Q6 Would you describe the Democratic Party more
as mainstream or extremist?
Mainstream..................................................... 46%
Extremist......................................................... 39%
Not sure .......................................................... 15%

Q7 Would you describe the Republican Party more
as mainstream or extremist?
Mainstream..................................................... 40%
Extremist......................................................... 48%
Not sure .......................................................... 12%

The GOP needs to change this pattern of perception if it isn't to face a calamity in 2012 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: FloridaRepublican on April 13, 2011, 09:05:14 PM
How is NE-02 so deep red?!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 13, 2011, 10:55:54 PM

PPP polled Nebraska a couple of months ago. Although the state as a whole is solidly Republican, NE-02 showed a strong positive approval for the President unlike the other two districts. NE-02 is most of Greater Omaha, and it is liberal by Nebraska standards. In 2012, NE-01 (eastern Nebraska other than Omaha and some of its suburbs) voted about like Texas, NE-02 voted much like Indiana or North Carolina, and NE-03 (western and central Nebraska,  one of the most right-wing congressional districts in America) voted much like Wyoming.

If Kansas, a state fairly similar in its voting to Nebraska, apportioned its electoral votes  in accordance with Congressional districts and two other votes at large, then one might see districts containing Kansas City or Wichita allotting an electoral vote for a Democrat in some elections even if the state as a whole votes firmly Republican.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 14, 2011, 12:25:53 AM
FL (Suffolk):

41% Approve
48% Disapprove

http://www.suffolk.edu/46395.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 14, 2011, 12:57:30 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, +2.

Disapprove 51%, -3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, -2.


Substantial swing, and back to normal. 

Actually not.  For the first time ever, Obama is below 23% Strongly Disapproved for five days running.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 14, 2011, 08:53:24 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, +1.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, +1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on April 14, 2011, 04:19:50 PM
42-50 in Gallup Today

http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Likely Voter on April 14, 2011, 06:31:13 PM
Obama's Gallup drop is striking. Is it bad data or is something going on. Rasmussen seems to be stable


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on April 15, 2011, 04:34:51 AM
I expect a crappy summer for him followed by a probable rebound in the fall followed by blah blah blah.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 15, 2011, 09:28:57 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, -1.

Disapprove 51%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, u.

Obama's long term strongly approve number seems to be depressed.  That, however is not being reflected in his other numbers.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 15, 2011, 12:26:48 PM
NC (Elon University):

48% Approve
45% Disapprove

51% Favorable
41% Unfavorable

http://www.elon.edu/docs/e-web/elonpoll/041511_PollMethodology.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 15, 2011, 12:41:18 PM
NC (Elon University):

48% Approve
45% Disapprove

51% Favorable
41% Unfavorable

http://www.elon.edu/docs/e-web/elonpoll/041511_PollMethodology.pdf

LOL, no.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 15, 2011, 12:45:32 PM
A lot of national polls out today:

Gallup: 41-50

Democracy Corps: 44-50

http://www.democracycorps.com/wp-content/files/fq4.pdf

PPP/DailyKos: 48-47

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/4/7

CNN: 48-50

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/04/11/rel6a.pdf

Reuters/Ipsos:

46-49

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2011/Reuters_Ipsos_National_April2011.pdf

YouGov:

43-52

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/20110412trackingreport.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 15, 2011, 03:38:35 PM


New York State, Quinnipiac:

New York State voters approve 54 - 42 percent of the job President Barack Obama is doing, almost identical to his approval ratings in January and February polls.

FL (Suffolk University):

41% Approve
48% Disapprove

http://www.suffolk.edu/46395.html

Re Florida: although with only a 41% approval (but 11% undecided!) he would still defeat about everyone but Romney, with whom he has a virtual tie. The political Winter of Discontent applies even in a state in which many go to to get away from winter -- at least to the Governor.

NC (Elon University):

48% Approve
45% Disapprove

51% Favorable
41% Unfavorable

http://www.elon.edu/docs/e-web/elonpoll/041511_PollMethodology.pdf

At the most this poll updates the March poll in North Carolina from a "C" to a "D" -- that's for a month and not a grade. PPP is polling North Carolina this weekend, and because that poll will show some matchups, it will be more interesting.  
 

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


           
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  138
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   83
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 57
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  41
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  40
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  32
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

(
)


             
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  138
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   83
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 57
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but Huckabee but ties Huckabee 15
Obama wins against all but  Romney 49
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 60
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  6
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 15, 2011, 03:55:34 PM
A lot of national polls out today:

Gallup: 41-50

Democracy Corps: 44-50

http://www.democracycorps.com/wp-content/files/fq4.pdf

PPP/DailyKos: 48-47

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/4/7

CNN: 48-50

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/04/11/rel6a.pdf

Reuters/Ipsos:

46-49

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2011/Reuters_Ipsos_National_April2011.pdf

YouGov:

43-52

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/20110412trackingreport.pdf

Gallup seems to be slower with its polls than other pollsters. It could be that Gallup gets right how things were the previous week, which isn't bad when approval and disapproval are stable.  As I recall, Gallup had a far more approving sample than did Rasmussen last week than did Rasmussen (a faster pollster) and now such is reversed. When the President takes a populist stand that suggests how he will campaign in 2012 and the GOP majority in the House tries to assert that nothing is wrong with America that can't be solved by letting the super-rich grab more than they have been getting, maybe the President wins a few points.

PPP will be polling Iowa (barely D in 2000 and barely R in 2004 in Presidential elections involving Dubya) and North Carolina this weekend. Such should be interesting. New Republican governors in WI, MI, OH, PA, ME, GA, and FL are extremely unpopular; we shall see if the pattern holds true in Iowa.   

Please thank me if you see a matchup between President Obama and Governor Mitch Daniels (R, IN). I suggested it, even if as an anonymous poster.

Fasten your seat belts; we are in for a bumpy ride.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 16, 2011, 09:32:12 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, -2.

Disapprove 53%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: zorkpolitics on April 16, 2011, 04:31:00 PM
Looks like Obama's lame duck session inspired approval into favorable territory has finally ended. 
This is the first full week he has a net negative job approval (on the RealClear Average Job approval) since Early January.  Today he is at -2.2%.  The last 5 polls all have Obama with a negative Job Approval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 17, 2011, 10:10:05 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, +2.

Disapprove 51%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, -2.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on April 17, 2011, 03:01:50 PM
Obama's bounced back a bit in Gallup to 44-47

http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 18, 2011, 09:18:42 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, -1.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 20%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, u.

There cannot be any question that, since 4/6, there has been a dramatic erosion of Obama's strongly approve numbers.  This has not been matched by major increases in his overall disapproval numbers.  His overall approval numbers are not dramatically lower.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on April 18, 2011, 01:06:08 PM
Gallup's weekly numbers are up, and Obama has kept sliding with non-white voters.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

He's now at 55% with them, down from 59% last week.  This represents the lowest he's ever been with them.  He's still at 86% with Blacks, but is now at 47% with Hispanics and probably lower than that with Asians and "others", continuing a trend that has lasted for about a month now.  His White numbers on the other hand, are still above his November 2010 lows of 33%, standing at 37%.

His numbers by age and region are roughly what you would expect, though he is now below 50% with under-30 voters, and below 40% in the "South".

For party affiliation and ideology however, he's actually up with both Independents and "True" Independents (though only at 40% and 36% respectively).  He's also up 3 points with Moderates, Moderate/Liberal Republicans, and Liberal Democrats.  However, he tanked hard with Conservatives (down 6 points), particularly Conservative Democrats (down 14 points) who now only give him 56% compared to around 70% for most of the last year.

Overall, he's at 43-48, which is around his November 2010 levels.  However, as noted above, these appear to be different people approving/disapproving compared to then.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on April 18, 2011, 05:20:40 PM
North Carolina

Job Approval / Disapproval

Pres. Obama: 40 / 51 (chart)

Gov. Perdue: 33 / 52 (chart)

Sen. Burr: 39 / 26 (chart)

Sen. Hagan: 37 / 34 (chart


http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/8memo3.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 18, 2011, 05:41:51 PM
lol, Perdue.

How nice of her to pull herself away from the horse races in KY long enough to tour some of the damage from the Tornadoes and to veto an extension of unemployment benefits.

Gotta love those optics. :P I wonder if Obama will shove her into a broom closet during the convention so as to not cause him any damage.

Hispanic % is kind of low among other things in this poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 19, 2011, 12:55:55 AM
North Carolina

Job Approval / Disapproval

Pres. Obama: 40 / 51 (chart)

Gov. Perdue: 33 / 52 (chart)

Sen. Burr: 39 / 26 (chart)

Sen. Hagan: 37 / 34 (chart


http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/8memo3.pdf

It`s older than the Elon poll though, so no change on pbrower's map.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 19, 2011, 01:11:01 AM
Supposedly, PPP was going to poll North Carolina last weekend. If PPP doesn't throw it out, I would -- because of the tornadoes. You saw it here before I had any idea of the content of the poll. Many had concerns far more immediate than a Presidential election a year and a half year from now.

PPP cast off one Arizona poll due to the attempted assassination of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, and I wouldn't be surprised if PPP suppresses this week's poll.  

Iowa will be available. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 19, 2011, 01:23:24 AM
Weekly DailyKos/PPP/SEIU poll:

45% Approve
48% Disapprove

Public Policy Polling, 1003 Registered Voters, MoE 3.1%, Apr 14, 2011 - Apr 17, 2011

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/4/14


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 19, 2011, 01:34:16 AM
Obama is clearly under water, with 2 new polls out today:

Washington Post/ABC News

47% Approve
50% Disapprove

This Washington Post-ABC News poll was conducted by telephone April 14-17, 2011, among a random national sample of 1,001 adults, including users of both conventional and cellular phones. The results from the full survey have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points. Sampling, data collection and tabulation by TNS of Horsham, Pa.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_04172011.html

McClatchy/Marist

44% Approve
49% Disapprove

This survey of 1,274 adults was conducted on April 10-14. Adults 18 years of age and older residing in the continental United States were interviewed by telephone. Telephone numbers were selected based upon a list of telephone exchanges from throughout the nation. The exchanges were selected to ensure that each region was represented in proportion to its population. To increase coverage, this land-line sample was supplemented by respondents reached through random dialing of cell phone numbers. The two samples were then combined.

Results are statistically significant within plus or minus 3.0 percentage points. There are 1,084 registered voters. The results for this subset are statistically significant within plus or minus 3.0 percentage points. There are 551 registered voters who completed the survey before Obama's April 13 speech and 470 registered voters who completed the survey after his speech. The results for these subsets are statistically significant within plus or minus 4.5 percentage points. The error margin increases for cross-tabulations.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/04/18/2174150/poll-best-way-to-fight-deficits.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on April 19, 2011, 03:33:42 AM
Anyone else find it ironic that the only Poll Obama's above water in is the FOX news poll?

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/FoxNewsPollBudget.pdf

Though another trend I've noticed is that Obama seems to do much better on general polls (Approve/Disapprove) than on specific issue polls (Economy, Deficit, Jobs, etc.).  Anyone have thoughts on why this is?  Does he just do really well on the stuff that isn't polled?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Napoleon on April 19, 2011, 03:37:49 AM
I approve of his more recent rhetoric but if polled I'd disapprove because of Libya.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 19, 2011, 03:40:20 AM
Anyone else find it ironic that the only Poll Obama's above water in is the FOX news poll?

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/FoxNewsPollBudget.pdf

Though another trend I've noticed is that Obama seems to do much better on general polls (Approve/Disapprove) than on specific issue polls (Economy, Deficit, Jobs, etc.).  Anyone have thoughts on why this is?  Does he just do really well on the stuff that isn't polled?

FoX News might be slightly more reliable on news than typical Russian media, but that's about it.

Outperforming Congress in getting his point across? Check.

Foreign policy? Maybe when other things don't go well, that looks better -- as with Richard Nixon.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 19, 2011, 09:15:03 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, +1.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 20, 2011, 09:18:48 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, -2.

Disapprove 53%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, +1.

For the last fortnight, the Strongly Approve number has been below 24%.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 20, 2011, 01:02:34 PM
New Jersey (Quinnipiac):

Obama gets a 51 - 45 percent job approval. Garden State voters like Obama more than they like his policies.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1590


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on April 20, 2011, 03:02:44 PM
Obama's back down to 42-49 Today in Gallup.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 20, 2011, 04:12:55 PM
New Jersey (Quinnipiac):

Obama gets a 51 - 45 percent job approval. Garden State voters like Obama more than they like his policies.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1590


(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


           
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  124
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   97
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 57
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  41
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  40
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  32
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

(
)


             
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  124
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   97
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 57
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but Huckabee but ties Huckabee 15
Obama wins against all but  Romney 49
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 60
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  6
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 20, 2011, 10:27:30 PM
It's not a matchup, and it's only a partial poll, but I think that it is a reasonably-safe
conclusion about Alaska: Sarah Palin could never beat President Obama in 'her' state. I would guess that President Obama has at least 40% approval in Alaska because even with 'oily' politics, the state isn't exactly Utah or Wyoming.

http://www.dittmanresearch.com/pdfs/Political%20Approval%20Ratings%20Statewide%20March%202011.pdf

Quote
Question: “Overall, would you say you have a favorable or an unfavorable
opinion of former U.S. Senate candidate Joe Miller? …and is that very
or just somewhat?”

Joe Miller
6% Very favorable
12% Somewhat favorable
20% Somewhat unfavorable
53% Very unfavorable
9% Unsure

Question: “And what about former Governor Sarah Palin, would you say you
have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of her? …and is that very or
just somewhat?”
Sarah Palin
13% Very favorable
23% Somewhat favorable
22% Somewhat unfavorable
39% Very unfavorable
3% Unsure

Question: “How would you rate the job ____ is doing….would you say: excellent, good, not
very good, or poor?”
Senator Senator Congressman
                   Mark Begich    Lisa Murkowski      Don Young
Excellent            9%                   16%                 12%
Good                48%                   55%                 51%
Not very good 17%                    15%                 20%
Poor                 16%                   12%                 12%
Unsure 10% 2% 5%

Dittman Research & Communications
March 3 - 17, 2011
Sample size n=400 Statewide public-at-large
Margin of error ± 4.9%
Independent, for public interest only, not sponsored by any candidate or group

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


           
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  124
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   97
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 57
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  41
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  40
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  32
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

(
)


             
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  124
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   97
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 57
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but Huckabee but ties Huckabee 15
Obama wins against all but  Romney 49
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 63
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  6
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  

[/quote]


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 21, 2011, 10:03:51 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, +1.

Strongly Approve number has recovered slightly.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on April 21, 2011, 11:58:17 AM
Quote
Question: “And what about former Governor Sarah Palin, would you say you
have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of her? …and is that very or
just somewhat?”
Sarah Palin
13% Very favorable
23% Somewhat favorable
22% Somewhat unfavorable
39% Very unfavorable
3% Unsure
Yeah, a 61% unfavorability rating doesn't bode well for reelection chances.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 21, 2011, 02:14:41 PM
Iowa Survey Results
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 46%
Disapprove...................................................... 48%
Not sure .......................................................... 6%

Iowa is now a legitimate tossup.  Romney has a slight lead, and Huckabee nearly ties.

(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


           
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  124
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   97
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 57
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  41
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  40
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  32
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

(
)


             
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  124
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   97
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 49
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but Huckabee but ties Huckabee 15
Obama wins against all but  Romney 55
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 63
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  6
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 22, 2011, 12:38:32 AM
Wisconsin (Wisconsin Public Radio):

"Still, 52 percent said they approve of Obama. That's up from a 42 percent approval rating last fall."

http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/e9c17199b86c4dbcbb158ac816d00f66/WI--Poll-Approval-Ratings/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on April 22, 2011, 02:34:17 AM
Wisconsin (Wisconsin Public Radio):

"Still, 52 percent said they approve of Obama. That's up from a 42 percent approval rating last fall."

http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/e9c17199b86c4dbcbb158ac816d00f66/WI--Poll-Approval-Ratings/

Though it also gives Walker a 46% Approval rating, which makes him an above-average Governor i think.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 22, 2011, 08:50:09 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.

Strongly Approve number has recovered slightly.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on April 22, 2011, 08:04:14 PM
Gallup's up to 44-47. Obama seems to be doing about 2 points better across the board.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 23, 2011, 09:12:01 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, +1.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -1.

FIXED



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on April 23, 2011, 09:35:22 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 4%, +1.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -1.



The all-time lowest approval rating for a U.S. President.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Niemeyerite on April 23, 2011, 10:55:54 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 4%, +1.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -1.



The all-time lowest approval rating for a U.S. President.

hahahah... what happened? Obama announced the USA would become a communist country?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on April 23, 2011, 05:04:23 PM
Obama at 38%


http://www.harrisinteractive.com/NewsRoom/HarrisPolls/tabid/447/ctl/ReadCustom%20Default/mid/1508/ArticleId/760/Default.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: exopolitician on April 23, 2011, 05:38:23 PM
Obama at 38%


http://www.harrisinteractive.com/NewsRoom/HarrisPolls/tabid/447/ctl/ReadCustom%20Default/mid/1508/ArticleId/760/Default.aspx


That's hilarious.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Niemeyerite on April 23, 2011, 06:18:31 PM
Obama at 38%


http://www.harrisinteractive.com/NewsRoom/HarrisPolls/tabid/447/ctl/ReadCustom%20Default/mid/1508/ArticleId/760/Default.aspx


That's hilarious.

That's Harris Interactive haha..


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 23, 2011, 11:16:41 PM
Obama at 38%


http://www.harrisinteractive.com/NewsRoom/HarrisPolls/tabid/447/ctl/ReadCustom%20Default/mid/1508/ArticleId/760/Default.aspx


That's hilarious.

That's Harris Interactive haha..

It's an E/G/F/P poll. Pretty useless.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 24, 2011, 12:02:42 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 4%, +1.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -1.






hahahah... what happened? Obama announced the USA would become a communist country?

No, just a typo which I'll fix, but it wouldn't be the lowest it's +1 from 3.  :)
The all-time lowest approval rating for a U.S. President.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 24, 2011, 08:09:37 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 4%, +1.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -1.




No, just a typo which I'll fix, but it wouldn't be the lowest it's +1 from 3.  :)
The all-time lowest approval rating for a U.S. President.

hahahah... what happened? Obama announced the USA would become a communist country?

President Obama is now also the official record-holder for re-gaining the most approval of any President in a single day:

He went from 4% approval yesterday to 48% approval today ... :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 24, 2011, 09:45:08 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Person Man on April 24, 2011, 10:22:27 AM
Who and how did someone get 3%?!

I can understand twenty-somethings....but under 20% seems really hard to believe.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: SUSAN CRUSHBONE on April 24, 2011, 02:31:21 PM
Who and how did someone get 3%?!

I can understand twenty-somethings....but under 20% seems really hard to believe.
It has already been said that it was a typo...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 25, 2011, 09:18:33 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, -2.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, +1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on April 25, 2011, 04:33:13 PM
Gallup's weekly summary is up:

In short, no significant changes.  Obama's up 4 with women, down 3 with men, minimal changes by age, down 3 in the East, up 3 in the West and 2 in the South.

He's down 1 with Whites, up 3 with Non-whites, up 2 with Republicans, and 2 with Liberals.

The only big change is that he's down to 29% with "Pure Independents", a drop of 7 (though this is after a gain of 4 last week, and is not likely an actual drop)

EDIT: forgot link
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on April 25, 2011, 06:24:07 PM
Obama down to 41% in Zogby


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 26, 2011, 08:42:06 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 53%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on April 26, 2011, 08:14:27 PM
Obama at 44-50 Approval by Daily Kos/PPP

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/4/21

Also he's down 46-45 against "Generic GOP" with some amusing cross tabs (Asians break Obama 80-11, in line with blacks, but Hispanics are only 52-39.  Also, Boomers are Obama's best demographic group, winning them by 5, a point more than Generation Y.  Remember that cross tabs have much higher MOE's.  Still kind of funny though).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 26, 2011, 08:31:59 PM
It looks like the 'bots got it right, again.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 27, 2011, 12:36:35 AM
California - USC / LA Times / GQR (D):

53% Approve
42% Disapprove

58% Favorable
39% Unfavorable

http://gqrr.com/articles/2628/6573_USC-LATimes%20Results%20%284.25.11%29.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 27, 2011, 12:38:13 AM
South Carolina (Winthrop University):

43% Approve
47% Disapprove

http://www.winthrop.edu/winthroppoll/default.aspx?id=9804


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 27, 2011, 01:54:36 AM
North Carolina gets about as much attention as any state, probably because PPP is located in North Carolina. PPP now shows the President winning against everyone:

Quote
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 49%
Disapprove...................................................... 48%
Not sure .......................................................... 4%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 49%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 45%
Undecided....................................................... 6%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mike
Huckabee, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 48%
Mike Huckabee ............................................... 47%
Undecided....................................................... 6%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 52%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 40%
Undecided....................................................... 8%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 47%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 44%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Donald Trump, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Donald Trump ................................................. 39%
Undecided....................................................... 10%


I was going to ignore any poll of state officials made during Tornado Weekend, but the tornadoes have nothing to do with the President. The President would barely win against Mike Huckabee (well within the margin of error) and by about a 4% margin (roughly the margin of error) against Romney.   The move of North Carolina from a tie only with Mike Huckabee to a likely Obama win results from the replacement  of a tie with a bare edge over Huckabee and supplants the judgment of an earlier poll.

Sarah Palin seems to be losing credibility as a campaigner -- fast:

Quote
Q4 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of Sarah Palin?

Favorable........................................................ 33%
Unfavorable .................................................... 60%
Not sure .......................................................... 8%  

This is almost as bad as the rejections of her in some western states (CA, CO, NV, NM) with large numbers of people not native speakers of English. If such is how she fares in North Carolina, a state roughly 50-50 in its vote in 2008, then I can imagine her losing nationally on the scale of Landon in 1936, Goldwater in 1964, McGovern in 1972, or Mondale in 1984.

California - USC / LA Times / GQR (D):

53% Approve
42% Disapprove

58% Favorable
39% Unfavorable

http://gqrr.com/articles/2628/6573_USC-LATimes%20Results%20%284.25.11%29.pdf

Even with the partisan bias it looks reasonable. The most that accepting it would do is to accept it as an update, in which case nothing changes except the date of the latest poll.  

South Carolina (Winthrop University):

43% Approve
47% Disapprove

http://www.winthrop.edu/winthroppoll/default.aspx?id=9804

Pollster with which I am unfamiliar, but it changes nothing from January. If South Carolina is still this close, then the GOP is in big trouble in any effort to achieve the greatest goal of Senator Mitch McConnell, which is to make Barack Obama a one-term President.

 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  124
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   112
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 42
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  41
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  40
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  32
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  124
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   112
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 49
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but Huckabee but ties Huckabee 0
Obama wins against all but  Romney 55
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 63
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  6
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 27, 2011, 09:18:25 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on April 27, 2011, 09:21:56 AM
I don't understand - Obama is only leading Romney by 3 and Huckabee by 1, yet you're giving North Carolina a 5-9.9% shade.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Republic on April 27, 2011, 09:22:53 AM
I don't understand - Obama is only leading Romney by 3 and Huckabee by 1, yet you're giving North Carolina a 5-9.9% shade.

You're still reading pbrower2a's posts, after all this time?  ???


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on April 27, 2011, 09:32:04 AM
I don't understand - Obama is only leading Romney by 3 and Huckabee by 1, yet you're giving North Carolina a 5-9.9% shade.

You're still reading pbrower2a's posts, after all this time?  ???
I have it on ignore, but I do show it's posts from time to time for humor. Hundreds of tl;dr post's later, I still cannot understand it's method is for these maps, and I doubt many can.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on April 27, 2011, 11:10:15 AM
I don't understand - Obama is only leading Romney by 3 and Huckabee by 1, yet you're giving North Carolina a 5-9.9% shade.

You're still reading pbrower2a's posts, after all this time?  ???
I have it on ignore, but I do show it's posts from time to time for humor. Hundreds of tl;dr post's later, I still cannot understand it's method is for these maps, and I doubt many can.

Obama will win Ohio because he is a Christian and because Carter won it in 1976, also Reagan won it in 1980 because he was an athiest but Clinton won it in 1992 and 1996, therefore Bloomberg win win Florida in 2012 because Lieberman will be his running mate and Obama will win Pennsylvania because he supports universal healthcare but McCain won Arizona in 2008 because he has been a Senator there for years but Palin will win Texas narrowly and Obama will be re-elected.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 27, 2011, 05:35:05 PM
Quote
Nevada Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 45%
Disapprove...................................................... 52%
Not sure .......................................................... 3%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 46%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 42%
Undecided....................................................... 12%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mike
Huckabee, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 45%
Mike Huckabee ............................................... 43%
Undecided....................................................... 12%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 50%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 39%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 43%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 46%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Donald Trump, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 47%
Donald Trump ................................................. 41%
Undecided....................................................... 12%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NV_0427513.pdf

Big slippage of approval for President Obama. I suppose that some of those who disapprove aren't GOP-friendly, either.

 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  118
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   112
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 42
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  47
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  40
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  32
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  118
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   112
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 49
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but Huckabee but ties Huckabee 0
Obama wins against all but  Romney 61
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 63
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  6
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 28, 2011, 09:06:08 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, -2.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on April 28, 2011, 01:54:26 PM
Obama down to 42-49 in Gallup Today:

http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on April 28, 2011, 06:57:49 PM
Obama down to 42/53 in PA

Quinnipiac


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 29, 2011, 12:19:34 AM
SurveyUSA's monthly polls for April are out:

California: 46-50

Kansas: 36-61

Oregon: 47-49

Washington: 49-47


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 29, 2011, 12:29:26 AM
New Hampshire (UNH):

44% Approve
52% Disapprove

http://www.unh.edu/survey-center/news/pdf/gsp2011_spring_presapp042811.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 29, 2011, 08:51:53 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, +1.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, +1.

Could someone get this for the next few days?




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Niemeyerite on April 29, 2011, 09:11:23 AM
SUSA polls... a JOKE


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 29, 2011, 10:38:08 AM
SurveyUSA's monthly polls for April are out:

California: 46-50

Kansas: 36-61

Oregon: 47-49

Washington: 49-47

Does SurveyUSA ever poll a different set of states or get different results?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on April 29, 2011, 10:48:49 AM
New Hampshire (UNH):

44% Approve
52% Disapprove

http://www.unh.edu/survey-center/news/pdf/gsp2011_spring_presapp042811.pdf

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  118
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   112
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 38
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  51
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  40
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  32
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  118
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   112
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 49
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  14
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but Huckabee but ties Huckabee 0
Obama wins against all but  Romney 65
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 59
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  6
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on April 30, 2011, 01:39:59 PM
http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx
Gallup:
Approve: 45% (+2)
Dissaprove 47% (-2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 30, 2011, 06:52:59 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, +1.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 01, 2011, 02:13:57 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, +1.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, -1.



Much above recent showings. We are likely to see some interesting results in statewide polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 01, 2011, 08:54:08 AM
Sunday, May 01, 2011

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, +1.

Disapprove 49%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, -1.

...

The good disaster management in the tornado-affected areas maybe ?

"Government’s Disaster Response Wins Praise"

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/01/us/01fema.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on May 01, 2011, 09:03:03 AM
Could see some good numbers from the southern states in the next few days. "Rally around the President" effect


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 01, 2011, 09:09:11 AM
Sunday, May 01, 2011

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, +1.

Disapprove 49%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, -1.

...

The good disaster management in the tornado-affected areas maybe ?

"Government’s Disaster Response Wins Praise"

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/01/us/01fema.html

Thanks for getting that.  Please someone else get for me over the next few days.

It just could be a good Obama number working its way through the numbers.  4/29-30 were up a bit. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 01, 2011, 12:08:12 PM
Gallup is 46-46 today, so let's wait a few days, but it seems that Obama is up from his recent low.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on May 01, 2011, 12:15:21 PM
Obama Approval Rating April 2011 (Gallup)

44% Approve

47% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 40/46 (April 1979)

Reagan: 42/47 (April 1983)

Bush I: 79/13 (April 1991)

Clinton: 48/43 (April 1995)

Bush II: 70/26 (April 2003)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 01, 2011, 12:29:53 PM
Sunday, May 01, 2011

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, +1.

Disapprove 49%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, -1.

...

The good disaster management in the tornado-affected areas maybe ?

"Government’s Disaster Response Wins Praise"

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/01/us/01fema.html

Such is a huge difference from the Dubya-era response to Katrina. Presidents can do nothing to stop tornadoes, but they can respond quickly and effectively to disasters through FEMA if they are so disposed.

Tornadoes scare the hell out of people not in the South, so a swift and effective response to tornadoes in Dixie can have effects farther north -- as in Nebraska and Ohio. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on May 01, 2011, 12:30:13 PM
Gallup is 46-46 today, so let's wait a few days, but it seems that Obama is up from his recent low.

Maybe the birth certificate actually helped him?  I mourn for my country if that is the case...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on May 01, 2011, 08:40:49 PM
Gallup is 46-46 today, so let's wait a few days, but it seems that Obama is up from his recent low.
While I hope he is, this wouldn't be the first time that both Gallup and Rasmussen had blips in the same direction.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook on May 01, 2011, 10:36:50 PM
Since Bin Ladden is dead, his ratings will improve.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on May 01, 2011, 10:38:09 PM
Since Bin Ladden is dead, his ratings will improve.

good job


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on May 01, 2011, 10:47:02 PM
Since Bin Ladden is dead, his ratings will improve.

Ya think?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on May 02, 2011, 01:31:14 AM
I expect a bounce... ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 02, 2011, 09:33:35 AM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Quote
Overall, 49% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president's performance. Forty-nine percent (49%) disapprove.

Not too bad. This is not the Bounce.

Quote
Americans today are celebrating the news that Osama bin Laden is dead. The update on the president’s Job Approval ratings is based upon interviews completed before that news was released. President Obama’s ratings have remained remarkably steady over the past 18 months through a whole series of major news events.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Capitan Zapp Brannigan on May 02, 2011, 10:00:40 AM
The. Rass numbers could be the birth certificate or WHCD.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 02, 2011, 10:51:20 AM
The. Rass numbers could be the birth certificate or WHCD.

It could be the swift and effective response to the tornadoes in the South.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on May 02, 2011, 12:18:57 PM
We should have a contest... what's the bounce going to peak at?  I say 59%. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on May 02, 2011, 12:20:34 PM
http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx
Gallup-
Approve: 46% (u)
Dissaprove: 45% (-1)

This too, is pre- bounce.

Also, I'll bet 56% on Gallup.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Person Man on May 02, 2011, 12:53:32 PM
High 50s....I am guessing it undid the damage caused by being upset that Obama took a nuanced action on Libya when no one knew what to do. Obama's goal should be to get the momentum going into the 2012 campaign...if there's no big disaster or war AND more people go back to work, he could be able to do that. IF he has a good six months...but when was the last time we had TRULY GOOD six months? (When we kicked Saddam's ass?) I mean Katrina, the Iraqi Civil War, the Foreclosures and as soon as people start trying to go back to work, Libya and Japan happens. 





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BlueSwan on May 02, 2011, 01:00:46 PM
I say mid-50's - if I had to pick a number then maybe 56%. I think prediction above 70% are quite ridiculous, but will happily eat my words if it happens.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 02, 2011, 01:09:27 PM
I think somewhere in the middle-to-upper 50s... and it will stick.

There will be no effect on economic perceptions, but much else... more people are likely to see President Obama as a stickler for protocol and legal niceties, and that such -- even if inconvenient -- gets better results than slipshod efforts, whether in diplomacy, dealing with natural disasters (tornadoes in Alabama -- and when you start hearing Republican politicians speak well of the President on that, you know that he is doing fine), or organizing a lethal raid on a demonic enemy of everything American. 

There's just no downside to the death of Usama bin Laden.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ZuWo on May 02, 2011, 01:22:14 PM
We should have a contest... what's the bounce going to peak at?  I say 59%. 

If the US really is as polarised as many people say (I can't judge myself whether that's the case) there will only be a moderate bounce, that's why I guess Obama's highest approval rating will be at around 55%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Niemeyerite on May 02, 2011, 01:26:38 PM
I think he'll be at 54% today. and maybe 58% tomorrow. next month, he'll return to 50-50 approvals.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smash255 on May 02, 2011, 01:30:27 PM
62-65%, then drop back a bit, but settle higher than where he has been (mid 50's)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on May 02, 2011, 01:38:34 PM
Anyone know when we should expect a Gallup (non-tracking) poll? Or anything else?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on May 02, 2011, 01:40:39 PM
I think somewhere in the middle-to-upper 50s... and it will stick.

There will be no effect on economic perceptions, but much else...

If nothing else, you have to admire how consistently wrong this guy can be.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 02, 2011, 02:06:09 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, -1.

Disapprove 49%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on May 02, 2011, 02:07:07 PM
We are sure to see a bounce tomorrow, most of these polls were likely taken prior to the announcement.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on May 02, 2011, 03:12:15 PM
Bounce to 65%.  That will quickly dissipate, and by September he'll be underwater again.

And by then the surge in gas prices should be offset by the peak season ending and the economy should grow faster as well as a result, hopefully Obama will be where he should be at 51% in the polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on May 02, 2011, 03:20:05 PM
It will peak around 65% later in the week. Just like after his inaugeration, it will slowly go down throughout the year, especially if gas prices remain high, and will likely be about where it is now by September/October.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on May 02, 2011, 04:09:02 PM
While his bounce will likely fade, I do think the "I'm the guy who had bin Laden killed" argument will be a powerful one when the next election comes around.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on May 02, 2011, 05:31:31 PM
While his bounce will likely fade, I do think the "I'm the guy who had bin Laden killed" argument will be a powerful one when the next election comes around.

Sort've trumps any (no pun intended) "foreign policy credentials" that Governors Romney, Palin, Huckabee or Daniels might have, never mind Donald Trump. The only person who could challenge Obama on foreign policy is Huntsman.

And who thought anyone would be able to say that in November 2008? ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on May 02, 2011, 06:18:32 PM
Gallup's Weekly tracking is up, though this is for last week up until Sunday, so it'll be good to compare a week from now:

In Short, not much change.  He went from 43-48 to 44-47 compared to last week, gaining 5 with the 65+ voters, Pure Independents and Conservative Democrats, down 5 with moderate Democrats, and no significant changes in any other category.

The only other interesting thing however is that the age spread is the lowest it's ever been--Under 30s give 46% approval (their lowest to date), while over 65s give 41% approval with everyone else in between.  Also, this is the 5th straight week that Obama's been under 60% approval from non-whites.

EDIT: Forgot the link

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on May 02, 2011, 06:30:04 PM

There's just no downside to the death of Usama bin Laden.

Hate to say it, but there is. - Retaliatory attacks.....


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 03, 2011, 12:03:50 AM
A few SurveyUSA instant polls are out:

State of Washington

55% Approve (+6 since End April)
40% Disapprove (-7)

San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose DMA

67% Approve
27% Disapprove

Los Angeles DMA

62% Approve
32% Disapprove

New York DMA

59% Approve
35% Disapprove

Fresno-Visalia DMA

51% Approve
42% Disapprove

Tampa-Saint Petersburg (Sarasota) DMA

48% Approve
48% Disapprove

San Diego DMA

46% Approve
49% Disapprove

Wichita-Hutchinson Plus DMA

35% Approve
56% Disapprove

Considering SUSA's conservative polls about Obama so far, I'd say he get's to about 58% in most national polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 03, 2011, 01:06:47 AM
A few SurveyUSA instant polls are out:

State of Washington

55% Approve (+6 since End April)
40% Disapprove (-7)

In an Elway poll for Washington State, conducted April 25-27, Obama's rating was 39% Excellent/Good and 59% Fair/Poor.

http://publicola.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Elway-Poll-050211-OBAMA.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 03, 2011, 01:17:50 AM
LA (Southern Media and Opinion Research, April 19-23):

40% Excellent/Good
58% Not So Good/Poor

http://www.laplaintalk.com/news-releases/SPRING-2011-LOUISIANA-VOTER-SURVEY-RESULTS.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 03, 2011, 08:41:01 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, u.

Disapprove 50%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 36%, -1.

While no "bin Laden Bounce" at this point, the Strongly Disapprove number is tied for the lowest since February 2011.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BlueSwan on May 03, 2011, 08:59:46 AM
I'm a bit shocked that there aren't any new non-tracking polls out yet. You'd think the media would be ordering polls left and right these days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on May 03, 2011, 11:02:47 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, u.

Disapprove 50%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 36%, -1.

While no "bin Laden Bounce" at this point, the Strongly Disapprove number is tied for the lowest since February 2011.



Guessing they haven't picked up on the Bin Laden effect yet. Because, uh, even if you think it won't do much for Obama's approval he's hardly going to gain a point in disapproval because of it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on May 03, 2011, 11:56:49 AM
First non-tracking poll I've seen post-killing:

Washington Post/Pew Research gives him a 9 point bounce to 56%.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/osama-bin-laden-killing-gives-obama-quick-but-limited-ratings-boost/2011/05/03/AFhxjegF_story.html

His approval for handling the threat of terrorism is now a ridiculously high 69% but he is still being held back to some extent by his economic numbers.

I would have expected a bigger bounce but let's see what some of the other polls say. I imagine he'll at least break 60% in some.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on May 03, 2011, 12:15:19 PM
Found another one from SUSA which somewhat bizarrely records no bounce at all (may have been done before much about what happened could sink in I suppose):

Obama at 46%-42%

People now believe the U.S. is winning the "war on terror" 60%-18%.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=6fce1396-62b0-46d6-b453-f9da4e5a5063&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on May 03, 2011, 12:30:47 PM
The more interesting polls will be "Obama vs. GOP opponent, who do you trust more to handle national security?"

Those won't be for many months and it will be interesting to see if this holds any effect.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BlueSwan on May 03, 2011, 12:48:50 PM
First non-tracking poll I've seen post-killing:

Washington Post/Pew Research gives him a 9 point bounce to 56%.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/osama-bin-laden-killing-gives-obama-quick-but-limited-ratings-boost/2011/05/03/AFhxjegF_story.html

His approval for handling the threat of terrorism is now a ridiculously high 69% but he is still being held back to some extent by his economic numbers.

I would have expected a bigger bounce but let's see what some of the other polls say. I imagine he'll at least break 60% in some.
Well, I predicted exactly 56%, so I trust those numbers. ;-)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: memphis on May 03, 2011, 12:54:15 PM
He picked up one point in the first day of Gallup's three day rolling average. If there were a substantial boost to be had (like the one any GOP prez would get) it would knock the average up by more than one point. Obama may top out at 55ish. Pretty ridiculous considering what a monumental acheivement this is, even if it could have been done years ago if not for a financially crippling war of choice in Iraq. Like I said in a previous post, haters will continue to hate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: krazen1211 on May 03, 2011, 01:03:00 PM
First non-tracking poll I've seen post-killing:

Washington Post/Pew Research gives him a 9 point bounce to 56%.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/osama-bin-laden-killing-gives-obama-quick-but-limited-ratings-boost/2011/05/03/AFhxjegF_story.html

His approval for handling the threat of terrorism is now a ridiculously high 69% but he is still being held back to some extent by his economic numbers.

I would have expected a bigger bounce but let's see what some of the other polls say. I imagine he'll at least break 60% in some.
Well, I predicted exactly 56%, so I trust those numbers. ;-)

Yep, 10 points sounds about right. I predicted 55% myself.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on May 03, 2011, 01:03:10 PM
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Mikado on May 03, 2011, 03:02:40 PM
I honestly can't see Obama past 55% with the economy still FUBAR, bin Laden or mo bin Laden.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Capitan Zapp Brannigan on May 03, 2011, 03:38:12 PM
There won't be a big bounce, as I predicted in the thread when he died.

Obama has a cap around 55 to 56% for approval. I don't think he gets there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 03, 2011, 03:50:56 PM
Arizona, PPP. First poll that bleeds into May, late enough to show effects of the presentation of the Ryan budget but done before the soul of Usama bin Laden got to meet that of Adolf Hitler.

Obama beats everyone but Romney.

Quote
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 46%
Disapprove...................................................... 50%
Not sure .......................................................... 4%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 47%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 40%
Undecided....................................................... 13%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mike
Huckabee, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 46%
Mike Huckabee ............................................... 44%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 49%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 38%
Undecided....................................................... 13%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 44%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 48%
Undecided....................................................... 8%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Donald Trump, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 48%
Donald Trump ................................................. 36%
Undecided....................................................... 16%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_AZ_05031205.pdf
 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  118
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   112
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 49
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  40
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  40
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  32
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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)


             
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  118
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   112
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 49
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  3
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but Huckabee but ties Huckabee 6
Obama wins against all but  Romney 72
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 59
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  6
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 03, 2011, 05:19:59 PM

no, what is going on is that is youre a Jimmy Carter type, one-off military successes dont really help you that much because few believe youre a strong war time leader and many think you are naive...at the other end of the spectrum, if you're a General Patton type, you get the full benefit of military success.

Obama is more like Carter than Patton, so he doesn't get much of a bump from a single event, even when he hits a home run....Bush43 was closer to Patton, so he got a bigger bump when Saddam was caught.

IMO


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on May 03, 2011, 05:36:44 PM
OBL is (well was) irrelevant. Anyone who thought Obama would get above 60% is delusional. 56% as the Wash Po has him makes sense. It also makes sense that this will drop (unless there's other successes in the short term) within the coming months.

He won't win re-election because he killed OBL. It's not a campaign issue. It's not something the electorate cares about enough.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 03, 2011, 06:51:29 PM
It's not something the electorate cares about enough.

well, if that is the case, then we have surely lost the war on terror.

But, IMO, another thing that is hurting Obama's bounce is that fact that:

1) Pakistan has been shown to have been in bed with OBL and
2) the overall world Muslim community aint partying with us over the death of OBL.

...so, the American people are getting an eye full of the fact OBL represented a much larger slice of Islam than the liberal PC police led us to believe for nearly 10 years.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 03, 2011, 07:07:18 PM
The ironic thing is that you have a lot in common with the average Islamic extremist.

[ ::)...here goes another wasted question...]

what exactly do we have in common, besides the fact I am also a firm believer (though not the same belief)?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 03, 2011, 07:23:56 PM
The ironic thing is that you have a lot in common with the average Islamic extremist.

[ ::)...here goes another wasted question...]

what exactly do we have in common, besides the fact I am also a firm believer (though not the same belief)?

The desire to destroy anyone who disagrees with your socially communistic views.
if that were so, you wouldnt still be alive


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: memphis on May 03, 2011, 08:05:05 PM
I'd like to thank the resident Forum haters for proving me right. If going in and killing bin Laden (in a nuclear Pakistan) isn't enough to prove you have the balls to be commander in chief, I don't know what is. Being a "strong and decisive leader" shouldn't be about dressing up like a cowboy and fudging a John Wayne accent.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on May 03, 2011, 09:00:59 PM
I'd like to thank the resident Forum haters for proving me right. If going in and killing bin Laden (in a nuclear Pakistan) isn't enough to prove you have the balls to be commander in chief, I don't know what is. Being a "strong and decisive leader" shouldn't be about dressing up like a cowboy and fudging a John Wayne accent.
This.  I still have a grudge with Obama for killing the manned space program and over-compromising on healthcare but he has proven he does have a spine in that thin frame of his.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 03, 2011, 09:53:49 PM
I'd like to thank the resident Forum haters for proving me right. If going in and killing bin Laden (in a nuclear Pakistan) isn't enough to prove you have the balls to be commander in chief, I don't know what is. Being a "strong and decisive leader" shouldn't be about dressing up like a cowboy and fudging a John Wayne accent.
well, if we're gonna talk John Wayne, can I at least slip in a little Janet Leigh action into this thread, because there aint any part of that girl's body that wasnt real:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3BLlhBWKcc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3BLlhBWKcc)

unfortunately, cant find a clip of where she pistol whips him with the butt of a revolver....it was quite sexy...and after taking a pistol whipping, Wayne remarks, "You sure know your stuff, lady!"

oh, almost forgot...yeah, totally agree with your post.  good job you did, it was spot on and full stop


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: krazen1211 on May 03, 2011, 10:49:05 PM
Bump? Zilch.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-05-03/obama-approval-numbers-after-bin-laden-kill/#

ECONOMY HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION?
BEFORE:      Right, 31%, Wrong, 56%
AFTER:         Right, 27%, Wrong 60%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on May 03, 2011, 10:53:51 PM
Well of course the rating on the economy is not going to show any difference!  Unless people were somehow thinking that killing Bin Laden would somehow create jobs.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 03, 2011, 11:26:44 PM
i really do think there are two battling undercurrents within obamas bump, or lack thereof:

1)  one is the victory of killing OBL and the very cool manner in which it was done
2)  the realization that all our efforts and all our PC hasnt done a thing to bring the Muslim street into the fold of civil civilizations.  In fact, the lack of joy within the Muslim world over the death of OBL, coupled with the failed Green revolution in Iran, and the Arab Spring, has made more and more Americans realize that we were never going to be able to win over their hearts and minds.

and, remember, it was only a very few weeks ago that the press was embracing Islam and painting Christians as the tyrants, which shocked a lot of Americans.

So, Obamas approval may be somewhat wide, but in many places, its an inch deep, and the shallower the water, the faster it flows - it wouldnt take much imagination to think up a geopolitical event that would drive Obamas rating into the mid 30's


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on May 04, 2011, 12:02:06 AM
Bump? Zilch.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-05-03/obama-approval-numbers-after-bin-laden-kill/#

ECONOMY HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION?
BEFORE:      Right, 31%, Wrong, 56%
AFTER:         Right, 27%, Wrong 60%

Usually you're kind of disingenuous but you're taking it to new levels here.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on May 04, 2011, 01:25:00 AM
I think we really have to wait a few more days. I agree with Chuck Todd on that.

https://twitter.com/#!/chucktodd/status/65454560709316608

By the way, Newsweek polls tend to be trash, Krazen.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on May 04, 2011, 01:27:18 AM
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/05/03/huge_audience_for_obama_speech.html

56.5 million watched Obama's speech on Sunday night... making it his highest rated speech ever (unsurprisingly).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: exopolitician on May 04, 2011, 04:53:39 AM
He won't win re-election because he killed OBL. It's not a campaign issue. It's not something the electorate cares about enough.

I love how now its not a campaign issue anymore, despite the fact he was the mastermind behind 9/11 and we have been hunting the bastard for a decade. The electorate doesnt care anymore? The millions who celebrated his death and have been waiting for this moment for years would like to have a word with you.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on May 04, 2011, 07:19:35 AM
CBS/New York Times checks in with their generally less than stellar poll:

Approve: 57%
Disapprove: 37%

Approval is +11% and disapproval is -8% from their last poll.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/2011/05/05/us/politics/0505poll-data.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 04, 2011, 07:31:07 AM
CBS/New York Times checks in with their generally less than stellar poll:

Approve: 57%
Disapprove: 37%

Approval is +11% and disapproval is -8% from their last poll.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/2011/05/05/us/politics/0505poll-data.pdf

Sometimes the flawed polls catch things that 'better' polls miss -- timing can be everything. No statewide polls yet show the results of the demise of OBL; they go only about as far as the presentation of the Ryan budget.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: krazen1211 on May 04, 2011, 07:52:28 AM
Well of course the rating on the economy is not going to show any difference!  Unless people were somehow thinking that killing Bin Laden would somehow create jobs.

Click the link and read the whole thing. He's got better ratings on terrorism and worse ratings on the economy. No surprise, really.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on May 04, 2011, 08:21:53 AM

no, what is going on is that is youre a Jimmy Carter type, one-off military successes dont really help you that much because few believe youre a strong war time leader and many think you are naive...at the other end of the spectrum, if you're a General Patton type, you get the full benefit of military success.

Obama is more like Carter than Patton, so he doesn't get much of a bump from a single event, even when he hits a home run....Bush43 was closer to Patton, so he got a bigger bump when Saddam was caught.

IMO

This entire post is pure 'point and laugh' hillarious.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Cincinnatus on May 04, 2011, 08:25:26 AM
Well of course the rating on the economy is not going to show any difference!  Unless people were somehow thinking that killing Bin Laden would somehow create jobs.

Click the link and read the whole thing. He's got better ratings on terrorism and worse ratings on the economy. No surprise, really.

He deserves higher ratings regarding his actions against terrorism.  Unfortunately for him, the economy will determine the election.  Not to say of course, that the economy can't turn around some by the election.  In that case, I doubt he'd have much problem getting reelected.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 04, 2011, 08:36:41 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, -1.

Disapprove 51%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, +1.

WTF?



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Cincinnatus on May 04, 2011, 08:38:11 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, -1.

Disapprove 51%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, +1.

WTF?



Margin of error?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 04, 2011, 08:50:18 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, -1.

Disapprove 51%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, +1.

WTF?



Margin of error?

I'd expect a solid post OBL death number in that sample, much more pro Obama.  Bad sample maybe.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on May 04, 2011, 08:53:38 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, -1.

Disapprove 51%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, +1.

WTF?



Margin of error?

I'd expect a solid post OBL death number in that sample, much more pro Obama.  Bad sample maybe.

Maybe people are starting to miss Osama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BlueSwan on May 04, 2011, 09:02:55 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, -1.

Disapprove 51%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, +1.

WTF?

/quote]

Indeed. Even I expected better numbers for Obama than this.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on May 04, 2011, 09:48:31 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, -1.

Disapprove 51%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, +1.

WTF?



lol.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BlueSwan on May 04, 2011, 12:28:01 PM
Gallup:

Approve: 50 (+3)
Disapprove: 42 (-2)

Hardly earth-shattering.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on May 04, 2011, 12:41:50 PM
He's now refusing to release pictures. I expect his poll numbers to drop faster than they would have because of this. Whether you agree or disagree with the decision, it'll be interesting to see how it's reflected in the polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Cincinnatus on May 04, 2011, 01:26:01 PM
He's now refusing to release pictures. I expect his poll numbers to drop faster than they would have because of this. Whether you agree or disagree with the decision, it'll be interesting to see how it's reflected in the polls.

Get ready for Trump to say he faked it, to just have him eventually release the photos anyway.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on May 04, 2011, 01:43:35 PM
Gallup:

Approve: 50 (+3)
Disapprove: 42 (-2)

Hardly earth-shattering.

Is that the tracking poll? If so, that is quite a bit of movement.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smash255 on May 04, 2011, 01:47:50 PM
Gallup:

Approve: 50 (+3)
Disapprove: 42 (-2)

Hardly earth-shattering.

Is that the tracking poll? If so, that is quite a bit of movement.

Its the tracking, it was 46-45 prior to the death of OBL, so so far its +4 approval, -3 disapproval.  1/3 of the tracking poll is still prior to OBL's death (the first tracking poll that will be completely after his  death will be tomorrow.

Rasmussen's #'s are very strange to say the least, could be a bad sample, perhaps he had a very strong sample on Sat falling off, and a poor one on Sunday still there.  Similar to Gallup, the first tracking poll taken completely after OBL's death wil be released tomorrow, but the numbers are still strange.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 04, 2011, 01:56:11 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, -1.

Disapprove 51%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, +1.

WTF?

Rasmussen strongly re-weighted their sample targets in favor of the GOP for May:

Rasmussen always re-weights their targets at the beginning of the month, by using an average of party ID of the previous month.

The March sample (which started on April 1) was: 34.0% GOP, 35.3% DEM, 30.7% IND

But the April sample (which started on May 1) was: 34.8% GOP, 33.5% DEM, 31.7% IND

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/partisan_trends

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/archive/mood_of_america_archive/partisan_trends/summary_of_party_affiliation

...

So, Rasmussen really wants us to believe that there would be more Republicans turning out right now than Democrats, despite the fact that in the 2010 elections, Democrats and Republicans were equally strong in turnout.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sam Spade on May 04, 2011, 01:58:45 PM
Rasmussen = hard-weighted
Gallup = not weighted

And there you have it.  Though really the top of the bounce will likely be one week from the event, so wait.

Anyone listening to CBS polling, Newsweek polling or one-day polling needs to be banned from this forum immediately.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 04, 2011, 02:01:05 PM
Gallup:

Approve: 50 (+3)
Disapprove: 42 (-2)

Hardly earth-shattering.

No, but it is a five point shift.  I'd expect to see that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 04, 2011, 02:32:37 PM
PPP's weekend poll showed

46% Approve
50% Disapprove

http://dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/4/28

This weekend, they will have 2 national polls (1 of their own incl. 2012 matchups and 1 for the DailyKos) and they will also poll Virginia this weekend.

So we might get a good picture of what the bump will look like and how it translates into support for Obama in a critical swing state.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/05/voting-time.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on May 04, 2011, 04:16:30 PM
Gallup:

Approve: 50 (+3)
Disapprove: 42 (-2)

Hardly earth-shattering.

That's about a +5 shift since Sunday.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on May 05, 2011, 07:27:12 AM
Gallup:

Approve: 50 (+3)
Disapprove: 42 (-2)

Hardly earth-shattering.

That's about a +5 shift since Sunday.

Yes, but its hardly earth-shattering.  He's had bigger swings before (though it certainly reflects a gain from before the announcement).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 05, 2011, 09:45:16 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, -1.

Disapprove 51%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 35%, -2.

Scott's analysis seems to echo mine from yesterday.  It should be noted, however that Obama's Strongly Disapprove number is the lowest since July 1, 2009.  That is where there seems to be movement.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Miles on May 05, 2011, 09:46:51 AM
He needs to admit thats he's just a Republican operative.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BlueSwan on May 05, 2011, 10:17:54 AM
I was one of those predicting just a small and temporary bounce, but those Rasmussen numbers seem quite ridiculous.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on May 05, 2011, 10:31:47 AM
Scott's analysis seems to echo mine from yesterday.  It should be noted, however that Obama's Strongly Disapprove number is the lowest since July 1, 2009.  That is where there seems to be movement.

To give you an example of what that means, his approval index was still on positive ground back then.

Also, this does make sense.  The Consensus here is that Obama didn't totally mess this up, which is probably the best a President is going to get on a messy foreign policy achievement ("Messy" meaning anything where someone gets killed).

However, I think the more lasting political issue will wind up being the aftermath.  There are emerging stories that conflict with the White house message on this, which raises more than a few questions on both what happened and what was supposed to happen (though those are mostly from the Left rather than the Right)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on May 05, 2011, 10:52:28 AM
New Quinnipiac:

Approve: 52%
Disapprove: 40%

Approval is +6% and disapproval is -8% from before the killing.

The poll shows a huge positive shift among men but not much of a change among women.

It does look like the bounce is going to be a lot smaller than I initially thought it would be... still kind of early to say for sure though.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1284.xml?ReleaseID=1596&What=&strArea=;&strTime=0


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BlueSwan on May 05, 2011, 12:07:56 PM
Gallup:

Approve: 52 (+2)
Disapprove: 40 (-2)

All three days of sampling now occured after the death of OBL.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on May 05, 2011, 12:12:23 PM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/147437/Obama-Approval-Rallies-Six-Points-Bin-Laden-Death.aspx

Among Republicans, Obama's approval has increased by 12; among independents, by 9; among Democrats, none at all.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Reaganfan on May 05, 2011, 01:12:27 PM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/147437/Obama-Approval-Rallies-Six-Points-Bin-Laden-Death.aspx

Among Republicans, Obama's approval has increased by 12; among independents, by 9; among Democrats, none at all.


Wow.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on May 05, 2011, 01:18:05 PM
There isn't exactly a lot of room for improvement among Democrats. The 19% that disapprove of him are probably mostly Dixiecrats who think he was born in Kenya and leftists who are unlikely to be impressed with his ability to murder people overseas.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 05, 2011, 01:19:20 PM
New Quinnipiac:

Approve: 52%
Disapprove: 40%

Approval is +6% and disapproval is -8% from before the killing.

The poll shows a huge positive shift among men but not much of a change among women.

It does look like the bounce is going to be a lot smaller than I initially thought it would be... still kind of early to say for sure though.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1284.xml?ReleaseID=1596&What=&strArea=;&strTime=0


It may take some time to sink in. It could be that many people already thought that Osama Bin Laden was already dead because he didn't offer any video of himself.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 05, 2011, 01:57:48 PM
I was one of those predicting just a small and temporary bounce, but those Rasmussen numbers seem quite ridiculous.

Obama's had a big runup in the Ras poll in the week PRIOR to the OBL killing...this runup is already reflected in the numbers.  so Ras is not saying Obama has not improved, it is say Obama's improvement was already taking place in the week prior to the killing.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 05, 2011, 02:23:34 PM
Kansas (SurveyUSA):

42% Approve
53% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=a6600ae0-099f-41a5-b64b-acd39f1ccac0


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: izixs on May 05, 2011, 03:42:12 PM
I was one of those predicting just a small and temporary bounce, but those Rasmussen numbers seem quite ridiculous.

Obama's had a big runup in the Ras poll in the week PRIOR to the OBL killing...this runup is already reflected in the numbers.  so Ras is not saying Obama has not improved, it is say Obama's improvement was already taking place in the week prior to the killing.



So... the people that Rassy was talking to then knew Obama was going to give the order that resulted in bin Laden's death?!? I think we need to have Rassy call them back to ask them about the lottery, who's going to win the world series, and who's going to win the 2028 election.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 05, 2011, 04:35:08 PM
I was one of those predicting just a small and temporary bounce, but those Rasmussen numbers seem quite ridiculous.

Obama's had a big runup in the Ras poll in the week PRIOR to the OBL killing...this runup is already reflected in the numbers.  so Ras is not saying Obama has not improved, it is say Obama's improvement was already taking place in the week prior to the killing.



Epic fail as an explanation. That run-up was more likely the result of the President's swift and effective response to the tornadoes. People in the Midwest hear about spring tornadoes in Dixie in the spring and ask whether they are next. Americans used to take disaster management for granted -- until Hurricane Katrina. Now they don't. Maybe they can again. Something is different now -- or back to normal. Take your choice.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Saxwsylvania on May 05, 2011, 04:59:48 PM
I was one of those predicting just a small and temporary bounce, but those Rasmussen numbers seem quite ridiculous.

Obama's had a big runup in the Ras poll in the week PRIOR to the OBL killing...this runup is already reflected in the numbers.  so Ras is not saying Obama has not improved, it is say Obama's improvement was already taking place in the week prior to the killing.



Epic fail as an explanation. That run-up was more likely the result of the President's swift and effective response to the tornadoes. People in the Midwest hear about spring tornadoes in Dixie in the spring and ask whether they are next. Americans used to take disaster management for granted -- until Hurricane Katrina. Now they don't. Maybe they can again. Something is different now -- or back to normal. Take your choice.

And here I was thinking the movement was the result of the President's swift and effective exhibition of his birth certificate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on May 05, 2011, 05:29:45 PM
New Quinnipiac:

Approve: 52%
Disapprove: 40%

Approval is +6% and disapproval is -8% from before the killing.

The poll shows a huge positive shift among men but not much of a change among women.

It does look like the bounce is going to be a lot smaller than I initially thought it would be... still kind of early to say for sure though.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1284.xml?ReleaseID=1596&What=&strArea=;&strTime=0


The way the polling seems to be going, it seems like he could reasonably be in the upper fifties by tomorrow or Saturday.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on May 05, 2011, 08:55:51 PM
New Quinnipiac:

Approve: 52%
Disapprove: 40%

Approval is +6% and disapproval is -8% from before the killing.

The poll shows a huge positive shift among men but not much of a change among women.

It does look like the bounce is going to be a lot smaller than I initially thought it would be... still kind of early to say for sure though.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1284.xml?ReleaseID=1596&What=&strArea=;&strTime=0


The way the polling seems to be going, it seems like he could reasonably be in the upper fifties by tomorrow or Saturday.

Really?  I'm pretty sure that he's basically already peaked out now and will start sliding back down within the next few days.  I mean, who's going to approve of him tomorrow more than they approve of him today?  Its not like good news keeps rolling in--on the contrary, it looks like the whole issue is going to get significantly worse for Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 05, 2011, 11:36:04 PM
I was one of those predicting just a small and temporary bounce, but those Rasmussen numbers seem quite ridiculous.

Obama's had a big runup in the Ras poll in the week PRIOR to the OBL killing...this runup is already reflected in the numbers.  so Ras is not saying Obama has not improved, it is say Obama's improvement was already taking place in the week prior to the killing.



I would not call it a "runup."  Those numbers were all within an MOE.  His pre OBL numbers were off their lows, but also off their highs.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 06, 2011, 08:37:29 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50, +1.

Disapprove 49%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 34%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 06, 2011, 09:02:06 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50, +1.

Disapprove 49%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 34%, -1.

JJ, are you able to see cross-tabs from Rasmussen ?

Such as the support for Obama among Democrats, Republicans and Independents ?

It would be interesting to see the numbers because of Rasmussen's strong GOP sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 07, 2011, 12:08:15 AM
Hawaii:

64% of registered voters in Hawaii approve of Obama's job performance, the automated telephone survey of 1,014 registered voters in Hawaii found. That figure is essentially unchanged from three previous Civil Beat surveys in the past 12 months. The latest poll was conducted on May 3 and 4 by Merriman River Group and has a margin of error of +/- 3 percentage points.

About the poll: Merriman River Group (MRG), surveyed 1,014 registered voters on May 3 and May 4 using interactive voice response technology (touch-tone polling). The margin of error is +/- 3 percentage points. The margin of error indicates that in 95 percent of samples of this size, the results will be within the margin of error of the actual percentage in the full population of likely voters. Merriman River Group, founded in 1998, is a full-service consulting organization specializing in election management, opinion research and communication. Since 2008, MRG has collected national survey data for the National Leadership Index conducted by the Center for Public Leadership at the Harvard Kennedy School.

http://www.civilbeat.com/articles/2011/05/06/10787-civil-beat-poll-bin-ladens-death-doesnt-lift-obamas-hawaii-approval-rating/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 07, 2011, 03:45:06 AM
Hawaii, by a poster with which I have no familiarity. 64% approval. Basically approval. Obama approval in Hawaii is likely close to the maximum anyway.
 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  118
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   112
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 49
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  40
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  40
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  32
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  118
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   112
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 49
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  3
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but Huckabee but ties Huckabee 6
Obama wins against all but  Romney 72
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 59
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  6
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 07, 2011, 08:57:58 AM
Rasmussen, May 7 (Saturday):

Quote
Overall, 50% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president's performance. Forty-nine percent (49%) disapprove.


But --

Quote
Fifty-five percent (55%) now believe the U.S. and its allies are winning the War on Terror.  That’s up 23 points from a month ago. Only 11% now believe the terrorists are winning, the most optimistic assessment since April 2004. Eighty-six percent (86%) approve of the president’s decision to authorize the mission targeting bin Laden.  Concern about terrorist attacks is down slightly from last fall. Just 28% now see an attack as Very Likely  over the coming year, down from 35% in November.

The President now has the lowest level of "strong disapproval" since July 2009.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

My comment: any collateral benefits from the demise of Usama bin Laden will be to the benefit of Democrats of all kinds.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 07, 2011, 09:01:06 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 41, -9.  :)

Disapprove 48%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 33%, -1.

It looks like a typo in Rasmussen's numbers I think it is really:

Approve 51, +1.  

Disapprove 48%, -1.

Even with that, I'm surprised  the OBL bounce is not much greater.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on May 07, 2011, 09:12:07 AM
I think the change in the strongly approve/disapprove numbers are more telling - I think there's been firming support within the approve camp and some softening in the disapprove, while that may not necessarily translate to a clean transfer to approve/disapprove, it does suggest that those who liked Obama like him slightly more and some of those who REALLY hate him, don't hate him as much.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 07, 2011, 09:26:53 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 41, -9.  :)

Disapprove 48%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 33%, -1.

It looks like a typo in Rasmussen's numbers I think it is really:

Approve 51, +1.  

Disapprove 48%, -1.

Even with that, I'm surprised  the OBL bounce is not much greater.


Maybe the War on Terror is "old, tired news". Maybe millions of people thought that Bin Laden was already dead before 5/1/2001.

Rasmussen does not recognize a bump that other pollsters find.

This is not directly related to the President, but:

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 26% of Likely U.S. Voters continue to favor the budget proposal by Ryan that claims to cut federal spending by $4 trillion over the next decade. But that’s unchanged from a month ago.
Quote
Now, however, 34% oppose Ryan’s proposal, up from 27% in the previous survey. A sizable 40% still don’t know enough about the plan to have any opinion of it.

Just 21% of all voters favor the plan for changing Medicare that is included in the Ryan budget proposal. Thirty-nine percent (39%) oppose that plan. But again 40% are not sure about it. The question did not offer any specifics about Ryan's proposal which includes allowing individuals to purchase private health insurance as an alternative and raising the eligibility age from 65 to 67. Earlier polling showed that voters overwhelmingly believe any proposed changes in Medicare should require voter approval before they can be implemented.

Views of Ryan are little changed from a month ago. Thirty-three percent (33%) now regard the Wisconsin congressman favorably, including 19% with a Very Favorable opinion. He’s viewed unfavorably by 29%, with Very Unfavorables of 18%. A plurality, 41%, have no opinion of Ryan.   

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/federal_budget/april_2011/opposition_to_ryan_budget_plan_grows

Maybe it is the economy. Maybe if general confidence rises, the economy will improve, and that will improve the approval ratings for the President.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: krazen1211 on May 07, 2011, 10:36:52 AM
New Quinnipiac:

Approve: 52%
Disapprove: 40%

Approval is +6% and disapproval is -8% from before the killing.

The poll shows a huge positive shift among men but not much of a change among women.

It does look like the bounce is going to be a lot smaller than I initially thought it would be... still kind of early to say for sure though.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1284.xml?ReleaseID=1596&What=&strArea=;&strTime=0



Those are probably good numbers for him.

The Republican number probably doesn't matter as much as most of those will drop him quickly, but 49% amongst independents is a good enough number for him to win.

At 40% amongst independents any President will likely lose.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 07, 2011, 11:03:10 AM
I think the change in the strongly approve/disapprove numbers are more telling - I think there's been firming support within the approve camp and some softening in the disapprove, while that may not necessarily translate to a clean transfer to approve/disapprove, it does suggest that those who liked Obama like him slightly more and some of those who REALLY hate him, don't hate him as much.

I think that fairly sizable drop in strongly disapprove is the real story.  His strongly approve numbers are actually worse than 2 months ago.  Obama stopped the bleeding, however.

There is an improvement in his "approve" numbers, but, like some of the other polls, it isn't dramatic. 

I expected a 10-20 point gain, and we have not seen that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on May 07, 2011, 11:05:32 AM
I think the change in the strongly approve/disapprove numbers are more telling - I think there's been firming support within the approve camp and some softening in the disapprove, while that may not necessarily translate to a clean transfer to approve/disapprove, it does suggest that those who liked Obama like him slightly more and some of those who REALLY hate him, don't hate him as much.

I think that fairly sizable drop in strongly disapprove is the real story.  His strongly approve numbers are actually worse than 2 months ago.  Obama stopped the bleeding, however.

There is an improvement in his "approve" numbers, but, like some of the other polls, it isn't dramatic. 

I expected a 10-20 point gain, and we have not seen that.

You did? I expected 6-10...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 08, 2011, 09:21:29 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 51, u (typo fixed)

Disapprove 48%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 34%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 08, 2011, 09:25:31 AM
I think the change in the strongly approve/disapprove numbers are more telling - I think there's been firming support within the approve camp and some softening in the disapprove, while that may not necessarily translate to a clean transfer to approve/disapprove, it does suggest that those who liked Obama like him slightly more and some of those who REALLY hate him, don't hate him as much.

I think that fairly sizable drop in strongly disapprove is the real story.  His strongly approve numbers are actually worse than 2 months ago.  Obama stopped the bleeding, however.

There is an improvement in his "approve" numbers, but, like some of the other polls, it isn't dramatic. 

I expected a 10-20 point gain, and we have not seen that.

You did? I expected 6-10...

Yes, and I was one of the lower estimates.  :)

I'm really surprised his overall approval numbers are not higher.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 08, 2011, 10:34:46 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 51, u (typo fixed)

Disapprove 48%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 34%, +1.



That is very close to the results of the Presidential election of 2008. 51% approval from Rasmussen may be stronger than 54% from someone else.

PPP is polling Virginia this weekend, and results should be... interesting. The Senate race is a tossup (not a PPP poll, but one for the Washington Post), which suggests that political reality in 2012 may be more like that of 2006 than like 2010.  In 2006 the Democrats won Senate seats despite a lack of available open seats -- all  Democratic Senate gains coming through the defeat of incumbents. To be sure, 2012 will be a Presidential year. 
 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on May 08, 2011, 01:21:14 PM
Quote
PPP is polling Virginia this weekend, and results should be... interesting. The Senate race is a tossup (not a PPP poll, but one for the Washington Post), which suggests that political reality in 2012 may be more like that of 2006 than like 2010.  In 2006 the Democrats won Senate seats despite a lack of available open seats -- all  Democratic Senate gains coming through the defeat of incumbents. To be sure, 2012 will be a Presidential year.

Not necessarily, Virginia is growing more liberal, meaning that it would now be a tossup in a more Republican year than 2006. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 09, 2011, 12:33:24 AM
VA (Washington Post):

Overall: 52-43
Pre-Bin-Laden: 49-46
Post-Bin-Laden: 57-40

This Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone April 28 to May 4, 2011, among a random sample of 1,180 adults in the Commonwealth of Virginia, including 1,040 registered voters and users of both conventional and cellular phones. 677 interviews conducted before targeting killing of Osama bin Laden; 503 afterward. The results from the full survey have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points. Sampling, data collection and tabulation by Abt-SRBI of New York.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_050042011_MON.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 09, 2011, 06:45:38 AM
Virginia, before the assassination of Osama bin Laden. Washington Post (49-46). President Obama was going to win Virginia. This was probably after the GOP mucked up on Medicare, Medicaid, and the Ryan Budget (see how I interpret Arizona):
 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  118
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   123
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 36
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  40
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  40
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  32
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  118
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   125
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 36
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  3
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but Huckabee but ties Huckabee 6
Obama wins against all but  Romney 72
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 59
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  6
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 09, 2011, 07:04:01 AM

Virginia, before after the assassination of Osama bin Laden. Washington Post (49-46) 57-40. President Obama was going to win Virginia even before Osama bin Laden got the opportunity to meet the Great Satan more intimately and permanently.

Because Virginia was one of the states to have felt the worst effects of 9/11, it is easy to figure that the polling effects are stronger there than they would be in such a state as Ohio which had no originating flights no flights scheduled by the airlines to reach it, and no targets hit.  One of the commandeered jetliners flew from Virginia and smashed into the Pentagon, which is in Virginia.  With the arguable exception of New Hampshire (might have had passengers on one of the flights), Virginia is the only State to have ever voted for George W. Bush that felt 9/11 at the personal level.   

A 57% approval for President Obama in Virginia suggests a national landslide -- at least 55% of the popular vote nationwide, and about 400 electoral votes. Projections that show the President behind in Pennsylvania and New Hampshire are likely obsolete.
 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  131
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   110
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 36
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  40
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  40
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  32
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  118
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   125
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 36
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  3
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but Huckabee but ties Huckabee 6
Obama wins against all but  Romney 72
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 59
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  6
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 09, 2011, 07:09:13 AM
Pbrower, no one in America even knows or cares about the Ryan budget. Please get out of your political bubble for once and look at things objectively.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 09, 2011, 07:38:37 AM
Pbrower, no one in America even knows or cares about the Ryan budget. Please get out of your political bubble for once and look at things objectively.

Maybe not in the Presidential race. For Congressional races -- maybe. Democratic challengers are going to run against it, and in many districts, Republicans are going to try to run from it. ordinarily a politician runs on his record and wins or runs from his record and loses.

In the Presidential election, we all know what event has more immediate influence. The WaPo poll after May 1, 2011 suggests that President Obama would win Virginia by something close to a 57-40 margin (and that is charitable to Republicans). Virginia is close to the national average in voting.

Guess which President was last to win 57% of the popular vote as an incumbent! Reagan won 59%, Nixon 60%, and LBJ 61%.

Dwight Eisenhower, 1956.  1956 was not a pretty year for Democrats. I cannot predict how a 57-43 split of the popular vote would manifest itself in electoral votes, so I can't give a map of such an event. 55-45 likely solidifies Indiana and North Carolina and flips at the least the following states from 2008:

Arizona
Georgia
Missouri
Montana

Ike won 457 electoral votes in 1956 and would have probably won both Alaska and Hawaii if those two states had been voting. Maybe even DC because the Democrats that year had the segregationist vote tied up.
  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 09, 2011, 08:44:54 AM
A note from Rasmussen today:

Quote
No survey interviews were conducted on Mothers’ Day, so these results are based upon interviews conducted Thursday, Friday, and Saturday.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 09, 2011, 08:58:50 AM
A note from Rasmussen today:

Quote
No survey interviews were conducted on Mothers’ Day, so these results are based upon interviews conducted Thursday, Friday, and Saturday.

No tracking numbers reported.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on May 09, 2011, 12:22:55 PM
Gallup: http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

Approve: 51% (u)
Dissaprove: 40% (-1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on May 09, 2011, 12:43:19 PM
Pbrower, no one in America even knows or cares about the Ryan budget. Please get out of your political bubble for once and look at things objectively.

Maybe not in the Presidential race. For Congressional races -- maybe. Democratic challengers are going to run against it, and in many districts, Republicans are going to try to run from it. ordinarily a politician runs on his record and wins or runs from his record and loses.

In the Presidential election, we all know what event has more immediate influence. The WaPo poll after May 1, 2011 suggests that President Obama would win Virginia by something close to a 57-40 margin (and that is charitable to Republicans). Virginia is close to the national average in voting.

Guess which President was last to win 57% of the popular vote as an incumbent! Reagan won 59%, Nixon 60%, and LBJ 61%.

Dwight Eisenhower, 1956.  1956 was not a pretty year for Democrats. I cannot predict how a 57-43 split of the popular vote would manifest itself in electoral votes, so I can't give a map of such an event. 55-45 likely solidifies Indiana and North Carolina and flips at the least the following states from 2008:

Arizona
Georgia
Missouri
Montana

Ike won 457 electoral votes in 1956 and would have probably won both Alaska and Hawaii if those two states had been voting. Maybe even DC because the Democrats that year had the segregationist vote tied up.
  

1956 was a pretty good year for Democrats downballot.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on May 09, 2011, 01:29:55 PM
Gallup: http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

Approve: 51% (u)
Dissaprove: 40% (-1)


Gallup's weekly totals will also be up soon, and should all be Post-Bin-Laden, so we'll get some cross-tabs as well


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on May 09, 2011, 03:00:04 PM
Pbrower, no one in America even knows or cares about the Ryan budget. Please get out of your political bubble for once and look at things objectively.

Maybe not in the Presidential race. For Congressional races -- maybe. Democratic challengers are going to run against it, and in many districts, Republicans are going to try to run from it. ordinarily a politician runs on his record and wins or runs from his record and loses.

In the Presidential election, we all know what event has more immediate influence. The WaPo poll after May 1, 2011 suggests that President Obama would win Virginia by something close to a 57-40 margin (and that is charitable to Republicans). Virginia is close to the national average in voting.

Guess which President was last to win 57% of the popular vote as an incumbent! Reagan won 59%, Nixon 60%, and LBJ 61%.

Dwight Eisenhower, 1956.  1956 was not a pretty year for Democrats. I cannot predict how a 57-43 split of the popular vote would manifest itself in electoral votes, so I can't give a map of such an event. 55-45 likely solidifies Indiana and North Carolina and flips at the least the following states from 2008:

Arizona
Georgia
Missouri
Montana

Ike won 457 electoral votes in 1956 and would have probably won both Alaska and Hawaii if those two states had been voting. Maybe even DC because the Democrats that year had the segregationist vote tied up.
  

1956 was a pretty good year for Democrats downballot.

Definately, 1956 was in no way an embrace of the GOP at all. On wikipedia (take it for what its worth) its says that it was primarily a vote for the status quo. They kept the Dems in control of the House and the Senate (which they had gained in 1954) while reelecting Ike in a landslide.

Ike's performance seems to me to be the last hurrah of the ancient Civil War Political map with a lot of his voters coming from legacy voting by people who really were Democrats and voted such on the rest of the ballot.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 09, 2011, 03:32:54 PM
Pbrower, no one in America even knows or cares about the Ryan budget. Please get out of your political bubble for once and look at things objectively.

Maybe not in the Presidential race. For Congressional races -- maybe. Democratic challengers are going to run against it, and in many districts, Republicans are going to try to run from it. ordinarily a politician runs on his record and wins or runs from his record and loses.

In the Presidential election, we all know what event has more immediate influence. The WaPo poll after May 1, 2011 suggests that President Obama would win Virginia by something close to a 57-40 margin (and that is charitable to Republicans). Virginia is close to the national average in voting.

Guess which President was last to win 57% of the popular vote as an incumbent! Reagan won 59%, Nixon 60%, and LBJ 61%.

Dwight Eisenhower, 1956.  1956 was not a pretty year for Democrats. I cannot predict how a 57-43 split of the popular vote would manifest itself in electoral votes, so I can't give a map of such an event. 55-45 likely solidifies Indiana and North Carolina and flips at the least the following states from 2008:

Arizona
Georgia
Missouri
Montana

Ike won 457 electoral votes in 1956 and would have probably won both Alaska and Hawaii if those two states had been voting. Maybe even DC because the Democrats that year had the segregationist vote tied up.
  

1956 was a pretty good year for Democrats downballot.

Definately, 1956 was in no way an embrace of the GOP at all. On wikipedia (take it for what its worth) its says that it was primarily a vote for the status quo. They kept the Dems in control of the House and the Senate (which they had gained in 1954) while reelecting Ike in a landslide.

Ike's performance seems to me to be the last hurrah of the ancient Civil War Political map with a lot of his voters coming from legacy voting by people who really were Democrats and voted such on the rest of the ballot.

OK -- it wasn't that bad for down-ticket Democrats. But it was a horrible performance by Adlai Stevenson. Maybe no Democrat had a chance against Ike.

Should approval ratings for the President stay around 55%, then the political map of the 2012 Presidential election  could look almost like an inverse of 1952 or 1956. Tellingly, Democrat Barack Obama won 365 electoral votes -- but won only one state, that barely (North Carolina) that Dwight Eisenhower won in neither 1952 or 1956.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 09, 2011, 11:39:18 PM
The new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll backs up Gallup and Quinnipiac:

52% Approve
41% Disapprove

Favorable Rating:

54% Somewhat/Very Positive
31% Somewhat/Very Negative
14% Neutral

If President Obama runs for re-election in the year 2012, do you think you will probably vote for President Obama or probably vote for the Republican candidate?

45% Probably vote for President Obama
30% Probably vote for Republican candidate
  4% Vote for other party
16% Depends on who opponent is

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/A_Politics/_Today_Stories_Teases/11192_MAY_NBC_Poll.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: anvi on May 10, 2011, 07:31:24 AM
I can't resist making a historical observation about presidential job approval ratings as based on foreign and security policy successes and failures.  I realize that many different factors play into presidential approval numbers, and I also realize that the suggested analogy of the following comparison is not perfect.  But I still find the comparison striking enough.

Oct. 1983: Reagen approvals after attack on Marines in Lebanon:  44%
Jan. 1991: Bush 41 approvals after winning Gulf War:  90%

Sept. 2001: Bush 43 approvals after Sept. 11 attacks:  91%
May 2011: Obama approvals after killing of bin Laden:  52%



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 10, 2011, 08:43:28 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50, -1

Disapprove 49%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 35%, +1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 10, 2011, 09:07:08 AM
The new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll backs up Gallup and Quinnipiac:

52% Approve
41% Disapprove

Favorable Rating:

54% Somewhat/Very Positive
31% Somewhat/Very Negative
14% Neutral

If President Obama runs for re-election in the year 2012, do you think you will probably vote for President Obama or probably vote for the Republican candidate?

45% Probably vote for President Obama
30% Probably vote for Republican candidate
  4% Vote for other party
16% Depends on who opponent is

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/A_Politics/_Today_Stories_Teases/11192_MAY_NBC_Poll.pdf

A little math suggests a possible interpretation. Assuming no political or personal scandal, then the absolute worst that President Obama does in 2012 is

45-46-4 (really  47.4 - 48.4 - 4.2), which still might win because the President wins more states with giant EV totals by larger margins while the Republican wins fewer EVs with larger margins.

Such assumes that the GOP has a wonderful candidate capable of getting a convincing message across. Question: who?

At the other side is 61-30-4 (really  64.2 - 31.6 - 4.2), which would be without precedent on the other side. FDR in 1936, LBJ in 1964, and Nixon in 1972 maxed out with about 61% of the vote. It would take a loony, incompetent politician to get trounced that badly.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on May 10, 2011, 11:00:19 AM
Quote
It would take a loony, incompetent politician to get trounced that badly.

Several of which are potential candidates.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 10, 2011, 01:49:20 PM
Gallup: 52-40

PPP/DailyKos: 51-43

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/5/5

Pew Research: 50-39

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1987/obama-approval-before-after-bin-laden-death-bump


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 10, 2011, 02:04:04 PM
A rather interesting new poll by EPIC-MRA for Michigan:

Obama: 38% Excellent/Good, 61% Fair/Poor

Snyder: 32% Excellent/Good, 60% Fair/Poor

The poll of 600 voters was conducted April 27-May 3 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

http://www.freep.com/article/20110510/COL05/110510020/Poll-60-Michigan-voters-rate-Snyder-s-performance-poor-just-fair


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 10, 2011, 02:06:28 PM
Rasmussen is starting a weekly presidential generic ballot now. Where should that be posted?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 10, 2011, 02:08:15 PM
Rasmussen is starting a weekly presidential generic ballot now. Where should that be posted?

Probably in the General Election section, but a Generic Ballot is useless and especially done on a weekly basis ... :P

What a waste of money.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on May 10, 2011, 02:17:22 PM
Rasmussen is starting a weekly presidential generic ballot now. Where should that be posted?

Probably in the General Election section, but a Generic Ballot is useless and especially done on a weekly basis ... :P

What a waste of money.

All he had to do was add a question to his nightly tracking poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 10, 2011, 02:22:03 PM
Rasmussen is starting a weekly presidential generic ballot now. Where should that be posted?

Probably in the General Election section, but a Generic Ballot is useless and especially done on a weekly basis ... :P

What a waste of money.

All he had to do was add a question to his nightly tracking poll.

Still a waste. He should do a monthly tracking of the GOP primary and use the frontrunner of the previous month for a weekly matchup against Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 10, 2011, 03:43:55 PM
A rather interesting new poll by EPIC-MRA for Michigan:

Obama: 38% Excellent/Good, 61% Fair/Poor

Snyder: 32% Excellent/Good, 60% Fair/Poor

The poll of 600 voters was conducted April 27-May 3 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

http://www.freep.com/article/20110510/COL05/110510020/Poll-60-Michigan-voters-rate-Snyder-s-performance-poor-just-fair


Just a reminder --

"Enhanced Green Fluorescent Protein" polls are not the same as approval polls, so they aren't useful. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 10, 2011, 06:43:15 PM
PPP, Virginia.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_VA_0510424.pdf

Quote

Virginia Survey Results


Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 51%
Disapprove...................................................... 44%
Not sure .......................................................... 4%

Way down from the euphoric level immediately after the death of Osama bin Laden. Euphoria can disappear fast, especially about someone that many thought 'old news'.  

I'm not going to average this one. All in all, it's still very good. This state can think well of Republicans, including the Governor:

Quote
Q7 Do you approve or disapprove of Governor Bob
McDonnell’s job performance?

Approve .......................................................... 50%
Disapprove...................................................... 35%
Not sure .......................................................... 15%  

But Virginians seem to consider the prospective Republican nominees a weak lot:
Quote
Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 54%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 37%
Undecided....................................................... 8%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mike
Huckabee, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 52%
Mike Huckabee ............................................... 43%
Undecided....................................................... 5%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 55%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 40%
Undecided....................................................... 5%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 40%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Q12 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Donald Trump, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 54%
Donald Trump ................................................. 32%
Undecided....................................................... 14%

Probably not relevant to 2012, but here's a good prospect for 2016:

Quote
Q13 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Bob
McDonnell, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Bob McDonnell ............................................... 43%
Undecided....................................................... 6%

Here I discuss someone who might  win against a Democratic nominee much weaker than President Obama -- in 2016. Bob McDonnell is one of the most popular Governors in America irrespective of party. Just look at how much better he fares than do Republican Governors of Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Maine, Florida, Georgia, and Arizona.
 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  118
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   123
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 36
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  40
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  40
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  32
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  118
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   123
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 36
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  3
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but Huckabee but ties Huckabee 6
Obama wins against all but  Romney 72
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 59
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  6
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 11, 2011, 12:40:23 AM
Obama hits 60% in new AP-GfK poll:

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama's approval rating is at its highest point in two years.

That's according to a new Associated Press-GfK poll. It shows that 60 per cent now approve of the job Obama is doing. And more than half now say he deserves to be re-elected.

The poll was taken a week after U.S. forces killed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden. And it comes on the heels of a strong jobs report that showed American businesses are on a hiring spree.

The president's standing has improved not just on foreign policy but also on the economy. Independents, a key voting bloc in the 2012 presidential election, caused the overall uptick in support by sliding back to Obama after deserting him for much of the past two years.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5gAHf_gbcSVotL-FHJnEvdb1vMQiw?docId=6815592


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on May 11, 2011, 02:22:34 AM
Obama hits 60% in new AP-GfK poll:

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama's approval rating is at its highest point in two years.

That's according to a new Associated Press-GfK poll. It shows that 60 per cent now approve of the job Obama is doing. And more than half now say he deserves to be re-elected.

The poll was taken a week after U.S. forces killed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden. And it comes on the heels of a strong jobs report that showed American businesses are on a hiring spree.

The president's standing has improved not just on foreign policy but also on the economy. Independents, a key voting bloc in the 2012 presidential election, caused the overall uptick in support by sliding back to Obama after deserting him for much of the past two years.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5gAHf_gbcSVotL-FHJnEvdb1vMQiw?docId=6815592

I knew he had to hit 60% in something... even if it's just a crap poll!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 11, 2011, 08:34:03 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48, -2

Disapprove 52%, +3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, +2.

Either the end of the bounce or just a bad sample?  We'll know by Saturday.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on May 11, 2011, 01:49:59 PM
Gallup's Weekly total is up again.  Basically a 7-Point increase versus last week, with basically every group gaining.

The Political subgroups are interesting though, He's still below 50% with Indies, mostly because the bump has come mostly from Republicans (10% to 21%).  Liberals and Democrats showed only a 2 and 3-point gain respectively, but this reflect an actual bounce tempered by a handful of "OMG AMERICAN EMPIRE" Liberals going the other way.

Also us Youngens saw a 13-Point approval jump, though this might be due to an usually low total for Obama last week (46%).  All other age groups went up 5 or 6.

Geographically, Obama went up 9 in the East and West, 7 in the South, and 5 in the Midwest.

There's not really any racial differences, though Obama's still off his highs with black voters (though they still overwhelmingly approve).

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

Though Gallup's other poll (Obama vs Generic R) Poll shows statistically insignificant movement in Obama's direction, going from tied to Obama + 3, suggesting the bulk of Obama's approval increase has come from people who probably wouldn't vote for him anyway.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/147500/Obama-Approval-Bump-Hasnt-Transferred-2012-Prospects.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 11, 2011, 02:07:36 PM
Gallup's Weekly total is up again.  Basically a 7-Point increase versus last week, with basically every group gaining.

The Political subgroups are interesting though, He's still below 50% with Indies, mostly because the bump has come mostly from Republicans (10% to 21%).  Liberals and Democrats showed only a 2 and 3-point gain respectively, but this reflect an actual bounce tempered by a handful of "OMG AMERICAN EMPIRE" Liberals going the other way.

Also us Youngens saw a 13-Point approval jump, though this might be due to an usually low total for Obama last week (46%).  All other age groups went up 5 or 6.

Geographically, Obama went up 9 in the East and West, 7 in the South, and 5 in the Midwest.

There's not really any racial differences, though Obama's still off his highs with black voters (though they still overwhelmingly approve).

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

Though Gallup's other poll (Obama vs Generic R) Poll shows statistically insignificant movement in Obama's direction, going from tied to Obama + 3, suggesting the bulk of Obama's approval increase has come from people who probably wouldn't vote for him anyway.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/147500/Obama-Approval-Bump-Hasnt-Transferred-2012-Prospects.aspx

I checked the pattern for approval of Presidents Reagan, Clinton, and Obama... and they look so similar that the difference looks like random noise.

Republicans who approve of the assassination of Osama bin Laden are not likely to maintain approval of the President. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 12, 2011, 08:46:29 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47, -1

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, u.

Wait for Saturday.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Saxwsylvania on May 12, 2011, 02:46:24 PM
TX (University of Texas)

Approve: 46%
Disapprove: 45%
Not sure: 9%

http://www.laits.utexas.edu/txp_media/html/poll/files/201105-summary.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 12, 2011, 02:47:32 PM
TX (University of Texas)

Approve: 46%
Disapprove: 45%
Not sure: 9%

http://www.laits.utexas.edu/txp_media/html/poll/files/201105-summary.pdf

OMGZ ! Enter pbrower in 3,2,1: Texas will be an important swing state in 2012 !!!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 12, 2011, 03:44:41 PM
TX (University of Texas)

Approve: 46%
Disapprove: 45%
Not sure: 9%

http://www.laits.utexas.edu/txp_media/html/poll/files/201105-summary.pdf

OMGZ ! Enter pbrower in 3,2,1: Texas will be an important swing state in 2012 !!!

I can't find the poll, and the report comes from an infamous prankster. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on May 12, 2011, 05:43:23 PM
Obama Job Approval

45% Approve, 48% Disapprove (chart)

Economy: 37 / 57 (chart)

Health Care: 39 / 54 (chart)

2012 President

45% Obama (D), 39% Huckabee (R)

51% Obama (D), 33% Trump (R)

52% Obama (D), 32% Gingrich (R)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/12/us-2012-president-45-obam_n_861029.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on May 12, 2011, 06:34:11 PM
TX (University of Texas)

Approve: 46%
Disapprove: 45%
Not sure: 9%

http://www.laits.utexas.edu/txp_media/html/poll/files/201105-summary.pdf

Don't toy with us Mr. Morden.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 12, 2011, 11:50:03 PM
New Jersey (SurveyUSA):

54% Approve
40% Disapprove

(Gov. Chris Christie):

38% Approve
56% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=5ef5275c-3166-493d-aecb-3d856c8705a5


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 13, 2011, 08:40:08 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47, u

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, u.

Wait for Saturday (I won't be in until the afternoon).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 13, 2011, 05:09:59 PM


Missouri,  PPP

Quote
Missouri Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?

Approve .......................................................... 43%
Disapprove...................................................... 53%
Not sure .......................................................... 5%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 46%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 44%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mike
Huckabee, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 44%
Mike Huckabee ............................................... 49%
Undecided....................................................... 7%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 48%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 43%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 43%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 45%
Undecided....................................................... 12%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Donald Trump, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 46%
Donald Trump ................................................. 41%
Undecided....................................................... 13%


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)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


           
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  118
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   123
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 36
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  40
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  40
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  32
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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)


             
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  118
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   123
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 36
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  3
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but Huckabee but ties Huckabee 6
Obama wins against all but  Romney 72
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee 59
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  6
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 14, 2011, 12:05:24 AM
Please do not include the Zogby poll, pbrower.

It's a favorable poll, not an approval poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 14, 2011, 04:08:54 AM
Please do not include the Zogby poll, pbrower.

It's a favorable poll, not an approval poll.

Removed.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 14, 2011, 09:23:55 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48, +1

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 35%, -2.

A bad sample dropped.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on May 14, 2011, 10:12:53 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 29%, -19

Disapprove 70%, +19.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 35%, -2.

Could be a bad sample. Come back tomorrow.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on May 14, 2011, 10:16:46 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 29%, -19

Disapprove 70%, +19.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 35%, -2.

Could be a bad sample. Come back tomorrow.


You'd think they would be better with the Typos by now


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 15, 2011, 09:36:43 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 29%, -19

Disapprove 70%, +19.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 35%, -2.

Could be a bad sample. Come back tomorrow.


You'd think they would be better with the Typos by now

Except it is not my typos.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 15, 2011, 09:39:51 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48, u.

Disapprove 51%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 36%, +1.

It is in the description, but not up on the chart.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on May 15, 2011, 10:10:52 AM
Gallup's at 48-45. Down 2 from Friday, likely a negative sample. We'll see if it goes back up later today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 15, 2011, 01:43:15 PM
With the announcement by Mike Huckabee that he will not be running for President, I can make a subtle change for one state (Iowa). Some subtle changes in wording also become possible, as anyone other than Romney now seems a blunder:
 
(
)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


           
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  118
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   123
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 36
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  40
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  40
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  32
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

(
)


             
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  118
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   123
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 42
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  3
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but Huckabee but ties Huckabee 6
Obama wins against all but  Romney 72
close, but Obama wins against a 'blunder' of a nominee anyone other than Romney 59
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  6
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 15, 2011, 01:45:27 PM
Gallup's at 48-45. Down 2 from Friday, likely a negative sample. We'll see if it goes back up later today.

The euphoria over the demise of Osama bin Laden was short-lived. Good call, but it's the economy now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 16, 2011, 12:54:36 AM
Politico Poll:

52% Approve
44% Disapprove

The POLITICO - George Washington University Battleground Poll is a national recognized, bipartisan political opinion survey focused on election politics in the United States.

The poll is conducted by Republican pollster Ed Goeas of The Tarrance Group and Democratic pollster Celinda Lake of Lake Research Partners.

The poll of 1000 likely voters was conducted May 8-12 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.

http://www.politico.com/polls/politico-george-washington-university-battleground-poll.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 16, 2011, 01:14:02 AM
Hawaii checks in once again:

()

(Gov. Neil Abercrombie)

50% Approve
36% Disapprove

The poll of 614 registered voters was conducted by Ward Research for Hawaii News Now and the Honolulu Star-Advertiser.

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/14649236/hawaii-poll-half-of-island-voters-approve-of-governor-in-first-six-months-of-term


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 16, 2011, 01:17:53 AM
Looks like Obama is about where he was on Election Night 2008 right now, or even slightly better off.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 16, 2011, 06:13:59 AM
Hawaii checks in once again:

()

(Gov. Neil Abercrombie)

50% Approve
36% Disapprove

The poll of 614 registered voters was conducted by Ward Research for Hawaii News Now and the Honolulu Star-Advertiser.

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/14649236/hawaii-poll-half-of-island-voters-approve-of-governor-in-first-six-months-of-term

It changes nothing in my Presidential projection, so I have no new map.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 16, 2011, 08:56:35 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49, +1.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 35%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 16, 2011, 03:47:03 PM
Michigan (EPIC-MRA):

53% (+9) Favorable
40%  (-9) Unfavorable

49% (+11) Excellent/Good
50%  (-11) Fair/Poor

The poll of 600 likely 2012 voters from across the state was taken from May 9-11. It was a margin of error of 4 percentage points.

http://www.freep.com/article/20110516/NEWS15/110516056/Obama-approval-up-Michigan-after-bin-Laden-s-death


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 16, 2011, 05:12:37 PM
Michigan (EPIC-MRA):

53% (+9) Favorable
40%  (-9) Unfavorable

49% (+11) Excellent/Good
50%  (-11) Fair/Poor

The poll of 600 likely 2012 voters from across the state was taken from May 9-11. It was a margin of error of 4 percentage points.

http://www.freep.com/article/20110516/NEWS15/110516056/Obama-approval-up-Michigan-after-bin-Laden-s-death

Again, EGFP  and favorable/unfavorable both fail to fit the parameters of this thread.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on May 17, 2011, 05:48:04 AM
Michigan (EPIC-MRA):

53% (+9) Favorable
40%  (-9) Unfavorable

49% (+11) Excellent/Good
50%  (-11) Fair/Poor

The poll of 600 likely 2012 voters from across the state was taken from May 9-11. It was a margin of error of 4 percentage points.

http://www.freep.com/article/20110516/NEWS15/110516056/Obama-approval-up-Michigan-after-bin-Laden-s-death

Again, EGFP  and favorable/unfavorable both fail to fit the parameters of this thread.

And your repeated posting of general election matchup polling and 5-colored maps modeling Obama's reelection chances does "fit the parameters of this thread"?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 17, 2011, 07:22:02 AM
Michigan (EPIC-MRA):

53% (+9) Favorable
40%  (-9) Unfavorable

49% (+11) Excellent/Good
50%  (-11) Fair/Poor

The poll of 600 likely 2012 voters from across the state was taken from May 9-11. It was a margin of error of 4 percentage points.

http://www.freep.com/article/20110516/NEWS15/110516056/Obama-approval-up-Michigan-after-bin-Laden-s-death

Again, EGFP  and favorable/unfavorable both fail to fit the parameters of this thread.

And your repeated posting of general election matchup polling and 5-colored maps modeling Obama's reelection chances does "fit the parameters of this thread"?


I got sharp criticism for using EGFP and "favorability" polls.

If you don't like my five-color maps... tough! 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on May 17, 2011, 07:31:36 AM
Well, I agree that you shouldn't put those on your maps.  But this thread isn't just about your maps.

It seems rather silly of you to criticize Tender's posting of E/G/F/P polls in this thread, considering the amount of space you devote to items here that are only tenuously connected to Obama approval ratings.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 17, 2011, 09:46:44 AM
Rasmussen:

50% Approve (+1)
49% Disapprove (-1)

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

PPP/DailyKos:

51% Approve
44% Disapprove

52% Favorable
42% Unfavorable

Public Policy Polling, 1002 Registered Voters, MoE 3.1%, May 12, 2011 - May 15, 2011

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/5/12


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 17, 2011, 10:25:25 AM
Well, I agree that you shouldn't put those on your maps.  But this thread isn't just about your maps.

It seems rather silly of you to criticize Tender's posting of E/G/F/P polls in this thread, considering the amount of space you devote to items here that are only tenuously connected to Obama approval ratings.


1. I don't pretend to be neutral on contemporary politics -- including the near-future.

2. I am trying to predict the future upon objective evidence -- and that means reliable polls.

3. Tender Branson himself has told me to remove "favorability" and EGFP polls. I remind people why I don't include them in case we have a newbie who doesn't go through hundreds of posts.

"Favorability" is essentially that one likes the politician even if one thinks him a bumbler, as in "He's a nice guy, but his economic policies are hurting us". "EGFP" includes "fair", which is ambiguous. "He's doing a fair job" can suggest that one is performing adequately, but not remarkably well, as in "not bad for what I expected".  

4.  Anyone can post a poll even if it is blatantly biased. Someone even posted a fabricated poll within the last couple of weeks (it was ostensibly by a University of Texas entity and showed a ridiculously-high level of approval for the President).  I have stated in my methodology (which needs to be repeated because it isn't self-evident) that polls by organizations with blatant bias (political parties and their fronts, political campaigns, unions, trade organizations, ethnic associations, extremist  groups) don't figure in my model.  If I use a poll by the NAACP (which does much good), do I also need to include polls collected by a Klan group?

I checked the link for what proved a bogus poll, and I removed a post in which I had used the data. "Trust but verify" is good practice.  

Likewise I saw a news release of polls supposedly by Marist -- ordinarily a good poster, but one that has been in hibernation in recent months in issuing statewide polling results. The news source was the once-respected UPI that has now fallen into the control of the Unification Church, the cult of Reverend Sun Myung Moon. The poster of that news release said that he wanted to see it from Marist itself. The official release by Marist never came, so maybe the news story was a fake.
 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 17, 2011, 11:14:18 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50, +1.

Disapprove 49%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 34%, -1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 17, 2011, 01:11:41 PM
Interesting poll by Rasmussen:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/may_2011/50_give_government_positive_marks_for_response_to_weather_disasters

 

Quote
50% Give Government Positive Marks for Response to Weather Disasters

Thursday, May 12, 2011


The recent severe weather hammering the South and the Midwest is garnering much media attention, and Americans are generally favorable to the government's response so far.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 50% of American Adults rate the government’s response to the weather-related disasters as good or excellent. Just 10% rate the response as poor.

Those who say they or a family member has been impacted by the severe weather are only slightly more critical of the government response.

With states along the Mississippi River facing massive flooding, fires rampaging in Texas and tornadoes ripping through the South, most adults (59%) feel the media has been giving the severe spring weather about the right amount of coverage. Twenty-one percent (21%), however, think the media is covering the weather disasters too much. Fourteen percent (14%) do not think the media is giving them enough coverage.

Wording of questions:

Quote
National Survey of 1,000 Adults
Conducted May 10-11, 2011
By Rasmussen Reports

 

 

1* How closely have you followed recent news reports about the severe weather in the South and Midwest?

 

2* How would you rate the government’s response to weather-related disasters in that part of the country…excellent, good, fair or poor?

 

3* Is the media paying too much attention to these weather problems, too little attention to them or is the media coverage about right?

 

4* Is the weather worse this year in your area than it has been in recent years?

 

5* Have you or any member of your family been impacted by the severe weather?

 

6* What is the primary cause of the recent severe weather: human activity or long term planetary trends?

 

7* Have you or will you contribute money or make some other kind of donation to help those impacted by the bad weather?

 

8* Will the recent severe weather problems help the economy, hurt the economy or have no impact on the economy?

 

9* Generally speaking, who should bear most of the financial responsibility for areas affected by weather related disasters… the federal government, local agencies, or the individuals themselves?

This may as much be a response to state governors, largely in the South, as to the President and the Federal government. It looks better than the response to Hurricane Katrina, though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on May 17, 2011, 04:04:51 PM
pbrower, you misunderstand me.  You're right to exclude EGFP polls from your maps, but the thread isn't about your maps.  "EGFP  and favorable/unfavorable both fail to fit the parameters of this thread" is a silly comment.  They fail to fit the parameters of your *maps*, but they do fit the parameters of this thread.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 17, 2011, 05:14:39 PM
pbrower, you misunderstand me.  You're right to exclude EGFP polls from your maps, but the thread isn't about your maps.  "EGFP  and favorable/unfavorable both fail to fit the parameters of this thread" is a silly comment.  They fail to fit the parameters of your *maps*, but they do fit the parameters of this thread.


One is free to post any poll, no matter how questionable the source or  shaky its reliability.  I haven't jumped on obvious typos, which so far seem most of the causes for question.

Sure, this thread is not about my maps. My maps, I hope, serve as a device for memory and analysis.  A year from now I might not post them for the simple reason that someone else will have a more professional approach. Here is that  person's website:

http://electoral-vote.com/

It has been dormant since December 2010, when the last House seat was decided. It will surely be back in operation perhaps as early as January 2012, and when it shows Presidential matchups I will abandon  this effort quickly.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 17, 2011, 11:57:21 PM
Maine (Critical Insights):

52% Favorable
33% Unfavorable

(Gov. LePage)

31% Approve
54% Disapprove

For the current wave of the study, Critical Insights completed a total of 600 telephone interviews with randomly selected voters across the state between May 5-9, 2011.

http://www.criticalinsights.com/assets/CriticalInsightsTrackingSurveySpring2011.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 18, 2011, 08:57:36 AM
Maine (Critical Insights):

52% Favorable
33% Unfavorable

(Gov. LePage)

31% Approve
54% Disapprove

For the current wave of the study, Critical Insights completed a total of 600 telephone interviews with randomly selected voters across the state between May 5-9, 2011.

http://www.criticalinsights.com/assets/CriticalInsightsTrackingSurveySpring2011.pdf

I am using the gubernatorial poll in my "Governors' approval" map, but I can;t use the favorability poll on my Presidential approval map. Hint: the Governor of Maine is political poison, and I question whether Senator Olympia Snowe can win both re0nomination and re-election as a Republican.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 18, 2011, 09:04:01 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50, u.

Disapprove 49%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 34%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on May 18, 2011, 11:28:14 AM
Like I say, take this thread with a grain of salt. Otherwise, its a joke.  Notice how there's rarely anybody posting on here anymore?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on May 18, 2011, 02:44:06 PM
Like I say, take this thread with a grain of salt. Otherwise, its a joke.  Notice how there's rarely anybody posting on here anymore?

I come here daily to see the data because it's so comprehensive. I just wish this was a data-only thread with the analysis confined somewhere else that's easily ignored.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 19, 2011, 12:14:12 AM
FOX News Poll:

55% Approve
41% Disapprove

The Fox News Poll is conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R). The poll is based on live telephone interviews with a national sample of 910 registered voters, and was conducted May 15-17, 2011 in the evenings.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/051811_bin_Laden_web.pdf

New Jersey (Monmouth):

Adults:

60% Approve, 35% Disapprove

Registered Voters:

60% Approve, 36% Disapprove

The Monmouth University/NJ Press Media Poll was conducted by telephone with 807 New Jersey adults from May 12 to 16, 2011. This sample has a margin of error of + 3.5 percent. The poll was conducted by the Monmouth University Polling Institute and originally published by the NJ Press Media newspaper group (Asbury Park Press, Courier-Post, Courier News, Daily Journal, Daily Record, and Home News Tribune).

http://www.monmouth.edu/polling/admin/polls/MUP39_2.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 19, 2011, 05:53:18 AM
Ohio (Quinnipiac):

49% Approve
45% Disapprove

Looking ahead to the 2012 election for President... If the 2012 election for President were being held today, do you think you would vote for Barack Obama the Democratic candidate, or for the Republican candidate?

41% Obama
39% Republican

Looking ahead to the 2012 election for President... Do you feel that Barack Obama deserves to be reelected, or do you feel that he does not deserve to be reelected?

47% Yes
47% No

From May 10 - 16, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,379 registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.6 percentage points. Live interviewers call land lines and cell phones.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1322.xml?ReleaseID=1602


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 19, 2011, 09:18:01 AM
New York (Siena):

How would you rate the job that Barack Obama is doing as President? Would you rate it excellent, good, fair, or poor?

53% Excellent/Good
47% Fair/Poor

I'm going to read a series of names of people and institutions in public life and I'd like you to tell me whether you have a favorable opinion or an unfavorable opinion of each person or institution I name: Barack Obama

62% Favorable
36% Unfavorable

Barack Obama is running for re-election as President in 2012. I know it's a ways off, but as things stand now, would you vote to re-elect him or would you prefer someone else?

54% Re-elect Obama
39% Prefer someone else

Siena College Research Institute, May 11-13, 15-17, 2011, 807 New York State Registered Voters, MOE +/- 3.4%

http://www.siena.edu/uploadedfiles/home/Parents_and_Community/Community_Page/SRI/SNY_Poll/SNY0511%20Crosstabs.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 19, 2011, 09:18:39 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49, -1.

Disapprove 50%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 35%, +1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 19, 2011, 11:43:18 AM
North Carolina (Civitas):

51% Approve
45% Disapprove

(Gov. Perdue)

46% Approve
41% Disapprove

This poll of 600 registered general election voters in North Carolina was conducted May 10-11, 2011 by National Research, Inc. of Holmdel, NJ.  All respondents were part of a fully representative sample of registered voters in North Carolina.  For purposes of this study, voters interviewed had to have voted in two of the past four general elections or were newly registered to vote since 2008.

http://www.nccivitas.org/2011/civitas-poll-perdue-job-approval-remains-under-50-percent


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 19, 2011, 12:47:28 PM
Ohio (Quinnipiac):

49% Approve
45% Disapprove

Looking ahead to the 2012 election for President... If the 2012 election for President were being held today, do you think you would vote for Barack Obama the Democratic candidate, or for the Republican candidate?

41% Obama
39% Republican

Looking ahead to the 2012 election for President... Do you feel that Barack Obama deserves to be reelected, or do you feel that he does not deserve to be reelected?

47% Yes
47% No

From May 10 - 16, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,379 registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.6 percentage points. Live interviewers call land lines and cell phones.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1322.xml?ReleaseID=1602

FOX News Poll:

55% Approve
41% Disapprove

The Fox News Poll is conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R). The poll is based on live telephone interviews with a national sample of 910 registered voters, and was conducted May 15-17, 2011 in the evenings.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/051811_bin_Laden_web.pdf

New Jersey (Monmouth):

Adults:

60% Approve, 35% Disapprove

Registered Voters:

60% Approve, 36% Disapprove

The Monmouth University/NJ Press Media Poll was conducted by telephone with 807 New Jersey adults from May 12 to 16, 2011. This sample has a margin of error of + 3.5 percent. The poll was conducted by the Monmouth University Polling Institute and originally published by the NJ Press Media newspaper group (Asbury Park Press, Courier-Post, Courier News, Daily Journal, Daily Record, and Home News Tribune).

http://www.monmouth.edu/polling/admin/polls/MUP39_2.pdf

North Carolina (Civitas):

51% Approve
45% Disapprove

(Gov. Perdue)

46% Approve
41% Disapprove

This poll of 600 registered general election voters in North Carolina was conducted May 10-11, 2011 by National Research, Inc. of Holmdel, NJ.  All respondents were part of a fully representative sample of registered voters in North Carolina.  For purposes of this study, voters interviewed had to have voted in two of the past four general elections or were newly registered to vote since 2008.

http://www.nccivitas.org/2011/civitas-poll-perdue-job-approval-remains-under-50-percent

New Jersey, North Carolina, and Ohio updates.


 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  132
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   109
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 36
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  40
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  40
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  32
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  132
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   109
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 42
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  3
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but  Romney 72
close, but Obama wins against anyone other than Romney 59
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  6
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on May 19, 2011, 03:51:45 PM
Pbrower, light green and dark green mean the same thing on your map. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: izixs on May 19, 2011, 06:05:41 PM
Light green might now be weak clowns vs. Romney + Pawlenty + Huntsman now or some such. Its not entirely clear and won't be until more polling is done with the cast of characters we'll actually have to watch.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 19, 2011, 09:39:13 PM
Pbrower, light green and dark green mean the same thing on your map. 

You are right on the bottom map, and thanks for catching it. It is conceivable, though, that someone might bring some unforeseen strengths as a possible Republican nominee. Daniels? Huntsman? Pawlenty?

At the least, Florida and Pennsylvania seem to get polled very often. Light green seems to mean that Palin automatically loses and that perhaps Gingrich does. Trump didn't figure in with any matches against President Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 20, 2011, 08:52:00 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49, u.

Disapprove 50%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, +2.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 20, 2011, 03:47:33 PM
Now for the upper left corner (WA, PPP), in case Republicans have hope that the state might be drifting their way.

Quote
Washington Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 52%
Disapprove...................................................... 43%
Not sure .......................................................... 5%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 54%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 36%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mike
Huckabee, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 53%
Mike Huckabee ............................................... 39%
Undecided....................................................... 8%


Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 57%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 34%
Undecided....................................................... 8%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 40%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Donald Trump, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 58%
Donald Trump ................................................. 31%
Undecided....................................................... 11%


May 12-15, 2011

Survey of 1,098 Washington voters


Naw.


 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  144
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   97
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 36
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  40
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  40
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  32
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   54




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  144
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   97
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 42
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  3
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but  Romney 72
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 59
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  6
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  54  



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 21, 2011, 12:20:19 AM
SurveyUSA May Polls:

California: 56% Approve, 40% Disapprove (+10, -10)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c717d146-99e7-4de8-8217-9fb792fc2fb8

Kansas: 42% Approve, 54% Disapprove (+6, -7)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c9cb9d95-0451-467c-8613-efb0bf5d4a7e

Oregon: 46% Approve, 49% Disapprove (-1, nc)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=87dabdb7-5435-402e-891e-11b3bf475127

Washington: 50% Approve, 47% Disapprove (+1, nc)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c34262fe-7152-4e56-be8d-dd7e32b0f6dd


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 21, 2011, 12:22:10 AM
Yeah, Obama has a 33-58 approval among Oregon Independents ... LOL !

:P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 21, 2011, 09:41:14 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48, -1.

Disapprove 50%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 36%, -1.

Remarkably stable numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 21, 2011, 12:33:28 PM
SurveyUSA May Polls:

California: 56% Approve, 40% Disapprove (+10, -10)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c717d146-99e7-4de8-8217-9fb792fc2fb8

Kansas: 42% Approve, 54% Disapprove (+6, -7)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c9cb9d95-0451-467c-8613-efb0bf5d4a7e

Oregon: 46% Approve, 49% Disapprove (-1, nc)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=87dabdb7-5435-402e-891e-11b3bf475127

Washington: 50% Approve, 47% Disapprove (+1, nc)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c34262fe-7152-4e56-be8d-dd7e32b0f6dd

Yeah, Obama has a 33-58 approval among Oregon Independents ... LOL !

:P

SurveyUSA polls can be interesting in their own way. They are the only polls that I ever see of Kansas... and the May poll of that state is fascinating. For so conservative a state as Kansas , a 42% approval of the President looks very good. President Obama lost the state by 15%, but not since 1992 has any Democratic nominee been as close as 5% to the Republican nominee. Of course, I figure that Ross Perot was picking off lots of conservative voters in 1992. Gore lost the state by 20% and Kerry by 26% in close elections.

I can't see President Obama winning Kansas except against a lunatic (he'd probably get at most 48% of the vote against someone like Romney or Pawlenty now that Huckabee is out), but I can imagine a House seat or two shifting there with a somewhat-sane Republican as a Presidential nominee. Two here, two there, one here, three there -- it all adds up in the House.

Because nobody else polls Kansas I might be tempted to post the SurveyUSA poll for Kansas on my map -- but that is it. The rest look like either "me-too" efforts or otherwise spurious. 

The last poll that I had for Kansas was SurveyUSA poll in December, and if i thought that one reasonable, I see no cause to believe this one unreasonable.



 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


           
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  144
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   97
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 36
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  40
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  46
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  32
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   48




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  144
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   97
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 42
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  3
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but  Romney 72
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 59
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  48  




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 22, 2011, 08:56:31 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49, +1.

Disapprove 50%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 36%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on May 23, 2011, 09:11:59 AM
I can't see President Obama winning Kansas except against a lunatic (he'd probably get at most 48% of the vote against someone like Romney or Pawlenty now that Huckabee is out),

Expecting a shift of "only" 13 or 15 points there? How very restrained.

but I can imagine a House seat or two shifting there with a somewhat-sane Republican as a Presidential nominee. Two here, two there, one here, three there -- it all adds up in the House.

This is an interesting point that I'd love to learn more about! Which of the 4 GOP held seats in Kansas do you expect Democrats to "shift" with a "somewhat-sane Republican" nominee?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 23, 2011, 09:25:52 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49, u.

Disapprove 50%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 36%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 23, 2011, 10:12:47 AM
I can't see President Obama winning Kansas except against a lunatic (he'd probably get at most 48% of the vote against someone like Romney or Pawlenty now that Huckabee is out),

Expecting a shift of "only" 13 or 15 points there? How very restrained.


1960-1964. Barry Goldwater was no a lunatic, but he got connected to extreme-sounding positions and rhetoric. But what if the Republican nominee is an honest-to-Birch nutcase who resuscitates McCarthyism against liberals?  I can just imagine Kansas choosing sober, pragmatic liberalism over some lunatic-fringe demagoguery. To say that Kansas wouldn't vote for a fascist running as a Republican is like saying that Massachusetts wouldn't vote for a Marxist running as a Democrat.    

Quote
but I can imagine a House seat or two shifting there with a somewhat-sane Republican as a Presidential nominee. Two here, two there, one here, three there -- it all adds up in the House.

This is an interesting point that I'd love to learn more about! Which of the 4 GOP held seats in Kansas do you expect Democrats to "shift" with a "somewhat-sane Republican" nominee?
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It's the aftermath of the mad proposal to privatize Medicare -- something that can't  be done except by giving the assets to some profiteering monopolist who would gut service and raise costs for captive 'policy-holders' far beyond the means of most current recipients. The Congressional GOP has bit into a political disaster.

Medicare is a prime example of a 'socialist' program that not only works better than private business could ever do for efficacy and cost, and that has the trust of people who consider themselves 'conservatives' on many other issues. Say what you want about government-run bureaucracies, but they seem to to run far better than cartels and trusts designed solely to fleece clients. Privatization of government programs to allow competition as an alternative to hide-bound bureaucracies makes sense. Privatization of the public sector on behalf of crony capitalists is a disaster for all but the would-be crony capitalists.

...Kansas has four Congressional representatives, all Republicans. For even one of them to be defeated -- a possibility if the Republicans can't backtrack fast enough on privatization of Medicare would be a symptom of a loss of the House. But remember -- GOP extremism is better defined in the House of Representatives than among some former and current Governors who have no ties to the current House. "One here, one there, two here, three there" is more a reference to states much less R-leaning than Kansas, where Republicans made House gains in 2010... like Pennsylvania, Virginia, New Hampshire, Ohio, Florida, and Michigan. Maybe Georgia and Missouri as well.

The Democrats have a better chance of winning the two House seats of Republicans in New Hampshire than one in Kansas... but it would take 'only' 27 House seats to shift from R to D for the Democrats to regain the House, and Kansas might be one of those states in which Republicans do not lose a House seat when 30 lose theirs. 

Barry Goldwater may have said:

"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

But I would remind you that political extremism in the pursuit of profit is a vice, and laxity in the defense of the most helpless is no virtue. 



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 24, 2011, 12:32:19 AM
PPP/DailyKos/SEIU Weekly Poll:

Do you approve or disapprove of Barack Obama’s job performance?

49% Approve
46% Disapprove

Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Barack Obama?

51% Favorable
44% Unfavorable

Generally speaking if there was an election today would you vote to reelect Barack Obama, or would you vote for his Republican opponent?

49% Obama
44% Republican

Are you very excited, somewhat excited, or not at all excited about voting in the 2012 elections?

50% Very Excited (Democrats: 56%, Republicans: 53%, Independents: 38%)
29% Somewhat Excited (Democrats: 27%, Republicans: 28%, Independents: 32%)
21% Not at all excited (Democrats: 17%, Republicans: 19%, Independents: 30%)

Public Policy Polling, 1000 Registered Voters, MoE 3.1%, May 19, 2011 - May 22, 2011

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/5/19


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 24, 2011, 12:36:48 AM
American Research Group:

49% Approve
47% Disapprove

5/17-20/11; 1,100 likely voters, 2.6% margin of error, Mode: Live telephone interviews

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/23/us-obama-approval-49-appr_n_865716.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 24, 2011, 09:23:21 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 51, +2.

Disapprove 48%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 35%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 24, 2011, 01:10:17 PM
Texas (University of Texas/Texas Tribune):

35% Approve
55% Disapprove

This latest University of Texas/Texas Tribune poll is an internet survey of 800 registered voters. It was conducted May 11 to 18 and has a margin of error of +/- 3.46 percent. The Republican primary questions have a margin of error of +/-4.98 percent; the Democratic primary questions have a margin of error of +/-6.17 percent.

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-politics/2012-presidential-election/perrys-not-the-texas-frontrunner-uttt-poll-finds/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 24, 2011, 01:20:18 PM
Great Britain:

"Barack Obama is proving to be a good President of the United States"

60% Agree
14% Disagree

"Barack Obama is doing a better job than his predecessor George W Bush did"

70% Agree
  8% Disagree

Methodology: ComRes interviewed 2028 GB adults online between 20th and 22nd May 2011.  Data were weighted to be demographically representative of all GB adults.  ComRes is a member of the British Polling Council and abides by its rules.

http://www.comres.co.uk/itvnewsobamapoll23may11.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 24, 2011, 01:37:48 PM
Ohio, Texas updates:

Quote
Ohio Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of Barack
Obama’s job performance?

Approve .......................................................... 46%
Disapprove...................................................... 49%
Not sure .......................................................... 5%

Q6 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 49%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 40%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 50%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 40%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 46%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 42%
Undecided....................................................... 12%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Rob
Portman, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 48%
Rob Portman................................................... 38%
Undecided....................................................... 15%

Q10 Who did you vote for President in 2008?
John McCain................................................... 45%
Barack Obama................................................ 46%
Someone else/Don't remember ...................... 9%


Mike Huckabee and The Donald, who have apparently dropped out of consideration, are not included in this poll. Although the poll shows a sample of prospective voters who voted more for John McCain than for Barack Obama in 2008 (Obama won, of course, which is not shown in this sample), President Obama would win re-election against any imaginable Republican nominee. PPP notes that his margin against Mitt Romney is about the same as that against John McCain in 2008.

The new Senator from Ohio is yet to make much of an impression, but it isn't a good first impression. Rob Portman has his work cut out for him

Quote
Q5 Do you approve or disapprove of Senator Rob
Portman’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 28%
Disapprove...................................................... 33%
Not sure .......................................................... 39%

Much can change in five years,  but Rob Portman shows few signs of being an up-and-coming leader in the Senate., in case anyone is interested.   Nothing is said of the Governor, but it was well said the last time.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_OH_0524513.pdf

Texas update (Texas Tribune, University of Texas):

Quote
Q6. How would you rate the job Barack Obama has done as president? Would you say that
you…
1. Approve strongly 20%
2. Approve somewhat 15%
3. Neither approve nor disapprove 9%
4. Disapprove somewhat 9%
5. Disapprove strongly 46%
6. Don’t know 1%

The Governor isn't doing very well any more, but that relates to a different map:

Quote
Q8. How would you rate the job Rick Perry has done as governor? Would you say that you…
1. Approve strongly 12%
2. Approve somewhat 29%
3. Neither approve nor disapprove 15%
4. Disapprove somewhat 14%
5. Disapprove strongly 28%
6. Don’t know 3%


http://static.texastribune.org/media/documents/uttt-201105-summary-day2.pdf

No real change.

Current map:
 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  144
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   81
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 54
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  40
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  46
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  32
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   48




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  144
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   81
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 60
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  3
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but  Romney 72
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 59
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  48  



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on May 24, 2011, 01:47:07 PM
Great Britain:

"Barack Obama is proving to be a good President of the United States"

60% Agree
14% Disagree

"Barack Obama is doing a better job than his predecessor George W Bush did"

70% Agree
  8% Disagree

Methodology: ComRes interviewed 2028 GB adults online between 20th and 22nd May 2011.  Data were weighted to be demographically representative of all GB adults.  ComRes is a member of the British Polling Council and abides by its rules.

http://www.comres.co.uk/itvnewsobamapoll23may11.aspx

Europe will love BHO unless he rapes a baby or starts another war.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on May 24, 2011, 03:00:19 PM
Gallup back at 51-42.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 25, 2011, 08:36:11 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50, -1.

Disapprove 48%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 35%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: exopolitician on May 25, 2011, 11:03:28 AM
Texas (University of Texas/Texas Tribune):

35% Approve
55% Disapprove

This latest University of Texas/Texas Tribune poll is an internet survey of 800 registered voters. It was conducted May 11 to 18 and has a margin of error of +/- 3.46 percent. The Republican primary questions have a margin of error of +/-4.98 percent; the Democratic primary questions have a margin of error of +/-6.17 percent.

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-politics/2012-presidential-election/perrys-not-the-texas-frontrunner-uttt-poll-finds/

Texas fail.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 25, 2011, 11:09:06 AM
Great Britain:

"Barack Obama is proving to be a good President of the United States"

60% Agree
14% Disagree

"Barack Obama is doing a better job than his predecessor George W Bush did"

70% Agree
  8% Disagree

Methodology: ComRes interviewed 2028 GB adults online between 20th and 22nd May 2011.  Data were weighted to be demographically representative of all GB adults.  ComRes is a member of the British Polling Council and abides by its rules.

http://www.comres.co.uk/itvnewsobamapoll23may11.aspx

Europe will love BHO unless he rapes a baby or starts another war.

How many electoral votes does Berwick-Upon-Tweed have?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on May 25, 2011, 12:32:22 PM
Gallup 53.  Highest in a year.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: anvi on May 25, 2011, 12:34:41 PM
How many electoral votes does Berwick-Upon-Tweed have?
None.
But having a president who is well-liked internationally is an asset for any country.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 25, 2011, 02:32:07 PM
How many electoral votes does Berwick-Upon-Tweed have?
None.
But having a president who is well-liked internationally is an asset for any country.

Tell it Edvard Benes.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on May 25, 2011, 03:00:19 PM
How many electoral votes does Berwick-Upon-Tweed have?
None.
But having a president who is well-liked internationally is an asset for any country.

Tell it Edvard Benes.

I very much doubt that the United States will be turned into a protectorate and have a significant amount of its territory annexed OR endure a communist coup any time soon.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: anvi on May 25, 2011, 04:33:40 PM
How many electoral votes does Berwick-Upon-Tweed have?
None.
But having a president who is well-liked internationally is an asset for any country.

Tell it Edvard Benes.
Yeah, you're right.  America should have presidents whose allies revile them.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 26, 2011, 12:37:06 AM
New Jersey (FDU):

55% (+8) Approve
36%  (-6) Disapprove

Among Republicans Obama’s approval rating increased by a third to 21 percent  from 16 percent, while Democrats approval of the president increased by 9 points to 82 percent from 73 percent.

The Fairleigh Dickinson University poll of 804 registered voters statewide was conducted by telephone using both landlines and cell phones from May 16 through May 22, 2011, and has a margin of error of+/-3.5 percentage points.

http://wayne.patch.com/articles/jerseys-loving-obama-are-you-6


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 26, 2011, 09:04:34 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50, u.

Disapprove 48%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 35%, u.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 26, 2011, 09:10:59 AM
How many electoral votes does Berwick-Upon-Tweed have?
None.
But having a president who is well-liked internationally is an asset for any country.

Tell it Edvard Benes.
Yeah, you're right.  America should have presidents whose allies revile them.

Being respected by other countries didn't help Carter, Nixon or GHW Bush.  Being "reviled" didn't hurt Reagan or GW Bush, domestically.

Frankly, being widely "reviled" internationally didn't hurt De Gaulle, either.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 26, 2011, 11:15:48 AM
Quinnipiac, Florida


Quote
President Barack Obama's job approval rating in Florida is 51 - 43 percent approve, a jump from his negative 44 - 52 percent score April 7, before the killing of Osama bin Laden, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1605

It's likely that Florida is just more R than the national average, but the unique demographics of this state could distort things this time. The Republican nominee will absolutely need this state. Mitt Romney can't win this state against this approval rating, and I can easily see the deep green shades on the map for Nevada, New Hampshire, and Pennsylvania vanishing at the next poll for any one of those states in view of this Florida result.  

Wisconsin:

It looks like a slip from the March poll by Rasmussen that happened during the hottest debate over the conduct of the Governor. This is more a technical adjustment than anything else. If Wisconsin is a 'swing state' in 2012, then the appropriate metaphor is that  the swinging door is hitting Republican pols in the derriere.

Quote

Wisconsin Survey Results


Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of Barack
Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 52%
Disapprove...................................................... 44%
Not sure .......................................................... 4%

Q5 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of Paul Ryan?
Favorable .............. 41%
Unfavorable........... 46%
Not sure ................ 13%

Q6 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 53%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 35%
Undecided....................................................... 12%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 55%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 36%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 39%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Paul
Ryan, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 50%
Paul Ryan ....................................................... 43%
Undecided....................................................... 7%

Q10 Who did you vote for President in 2008?
John McCain................................................... 42%
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Someone else/Don't remember ...................... 7%

This is still with a sample more R than the voters of 2008.

A symptom of GOP trouble in Wisconsin:

Quote
Q5 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of Paul Ryan?

Favorable .............. 41%
Unfavorable........... 46%
Not sure ................ 13%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_WI_0525930.pdf



Current map:
 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


           
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  134
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   120
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 54
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  40
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  46
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   48




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  134
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   120
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 60
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  3
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but  Romney 43
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 59
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  48  




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: anvi on May 26, 2011, 11:56:53 AM
Being respected by other countries didn't help Carter, Nixon or GHW Bush.  Being "reviled" didn't hurt Reagan or GW Bush, domestically.

Frankly, being widely "reviled" internationally didn't hurt De Gaulle, either.
Being respected buy other countries did help Carter secure the peace between Israel and Egypt as well as fully normalize relations with China.  It helped Nixon open relations with China.  It helped GHW Bush enormously in putting together the Gulf War coalition and helping facilitate an end to the Cold War.  Being reviled didn't help Reagan internationally, and since foreign policy is largely the president's concern, this is significant, until his second term, when diplomacy played a much more significant role.  I would argue that something similar could be said of the presidency of George W. Bush.  What shows up in domestic polls on any given month is far from the the only thing that matters in a presidency. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on May 26, 2011, 03:33:43 PM
pBrower, can you remind me what advantages you give to Obama (because of his incumbent status).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 26, 2011, 04:49:46 PM
pBrower, can you remind me what advantages you give to Obama (because of his incumbent status).

Incumbency cannot save the mistake of the previous election who has proved less than up to the job, the one who endures diplomatic or economic debacles, the one who became President without ever having been elected to even statewide office, the one with few achievements that people can pin down, or the fellow whose agenda is fully accomplished with no possibility of a coherent program for a Second Act. 8 of 13 incumbent Presidents seeking re-election were re-elected; five weren't. To be sure, the most marginal re-election (Dubya) got away with what he got away with, but even he knew how to get his campaign apparatus in gear.

So what advantage does an incumbent have?

1. He has won the office before, which may not be so much an indication that he will win again as it is that he knows how to campaign if he must. Such is an advantage for an incumbent over a challenger in most races. If he never won a campaign for high office, then he isn't in high office as an incumbent. Gerald Ford is the obvious exception.

2. Incumbents either run on their records and win or run from those records and lose. This President has a record to run on.

3. The President may be no more adept a campaigner in 2012 than in 2008 -- but he can easily get a campaign out of mothballs little the worse for wear.  The conflicting loyalties that often exist in a challenger's campaign apparatus just won't be there. People on the campaign will have much the same message and won't confuse people.

2016 will be very different for the Democrats because there will be no obvious successor.  That should be obvious. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on May 26, 2011, 05:40:59 PM
pBrower, can you remind me what advantages you give to Obama (because of his incumbent status).

Incumbency cannot save the mistake of the previous election who has proved less than up to the job, the one who endures diplomatic or economic debacles, the one who became President without ever having been elected to even statewide office, the one with few achievements that people can pin down, or the fellow whose agenda is fully accomplished with no possibility of a coherent program for a Second Act. 8 of 13 incumbent Presidents seeking re-election were re-elected; five weren't. To be sure, the most marginal re-election (Dubya) got away with what he got away with, but even he knew how to get his campaign apparatus in gear.

So what advantage does an incumbent have?

1. He has won the office before, which may not be so much an indication that he will win again as it is that he knows how to campaign if he must. Such is an advantage for an incumbent over a challenger in most races. If he never won a campaign for high office, then he isn't in high office as an incumbent. Gerald Ford is the obvious exception.

2. Incumbents either run on their records and win or run from those records and lose. This President has a record to run on.

3. The President may be no more adept a campaigner in 2012 than in 2008 -- but he can easily get a campaign out of mothballs little the worse for wear.  The conflicting loyalties that often exist in a challenger's campaign apparatus just won't be there. People on the campaign will have much the same message and won't confuse people.

2016 will be very different for the Democrats because there will be no obvious successor.  That should be obvious. 
Thanks.  Now how exactly do you add percentage points to the state approval ratings?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 26, 2011, 08:07:39 PM
pBrower, can you remind me what advantages you give to Obama (because of his incumbent status).

Incumbency cannot save the mistake of the previous election who has proved less than up to the job, the one who endures diplomatic or economic debacles, the one who became President without ever having been elected to even statewide office, the one with few achievements that people can pin down, or the fellow whose agenda is fully accomplished with no possibility of a coherent program for a Second Act. 8 of 13 incumbent Presidents seeking re-election were re-elected; five weren't. To be sure, the most marginal re-election (Dubya) got away with what he got away with, but even he knew how to get his campaign apparatus in gear.

So what advantage does an incumbent have?

1. He has won the office before, which may not be so much an indication that he will win again as it is that he knows how to campaign if he must. Such is an advantage for an incumbent over a challenger in most races. If he never won a campaign for high office, then he isn't in high office as an incumbent. Gerald Ford is the obvious exception.

2. Incumbents either run on their records and win or run from those records and lose. This President has a record to run on.

3. The President may be no more adept a campaigner in 2012 than in 2008 -- but he can easily get a campaign out of mothballs little the worse for wear.  The conflicting loyalties that often exist in a challenger's campaign apparatus just won't be there. People on the campaign will have much the same message and won't confuse people.

2016 will be very different for the Democrats because there will be no obvious successor.  That should be obvious. 
Thanks.  Now how exactly do you add percentage points to the state approval ratings?

It's from a piece by Nate Silver. He is usually right.

6% is roughly the gain that a typical Senator or Governor, and maybe an at-large Congressional Representative gains in vote share during a campaign once the incumbent is in campaign mode. That is an average. Some do better; some don't do so well. That assumes an "average" challenger, no third-party challenge, no breaking scandal, average economic conditions, and reasonable competence as a campaigner. This applies to incumbents with approval from the mid 30s to the mid 60s. Those with approval ratings below the mid 30s almost never run for re-election.  

I would have expected reversion to the mean -- basically that all incumbent politicians tend toward 50%. But those with 50% or higher approval usually gain. They still campaign, and they usually add about 6% from approval to vote share. This applies just as much to Jon Huntsman (really high) or Rick Santorum in 2006 (disaster). Santorum was in deep trouble from the winter of 2006, but he actually gained a little in his effort to get re-elected. He still got creamed. 44% approval suggests about a 50% chance of winning by getting 50% of the relevant votes cast. Chances drop off dramatically for those whose approval ratings are below 44% and rise to near 100% for those with higher percentages of approval.  

Of course it is possible for an incumbent to have 50% approval and lose if everything goes wrong, as for George Allen in 2006. He had an unusually-strong opponent, he had his "macaca" moment, and his staffers beat up a heckler... so if anyone wants an example of how to lose what should be a sure hold of elective office, then there it is.

Now for the Presidency -- a 44% approval rating suggests about a 50% chance of getting 50% or more of the total relevant votes -- again an estimate by Nate Silver on far fewer data points.  There are fewer Presidents running for re-election. Nationwide gains for the President are likely muted because Wyoming isn't exactly Vermont.

Here's how I model the general campaign. Incumbent Presidents obviously never win more than 62% of the popular vote, so if President Obama has an approval rating of 56% eleven months from now, he is not going to have the biggest landslide ever in the percentage of popular vote. Dubya had what looked like poor approval ratings in April 2004 -- mid forties, as I recall -- yet he still won. Hardly anyone confuses him with John Kennedy for charisma or Ronald Reagan as a communicator. Yet he won.  

Now for the States. If a Governor or Senator doesn't campaign outside his own state he typically still has the habit of campaigning. But Presidential candidates and their campaign teams have limited resources that they must use judiciously let they waste them. So let's say the approval ratings are like this for  President Obama in August 2012:  

Oklahoma 33%
Texas       40%
Arizona     45%
Missouri    47%
Ohio         50%
Iowa        52%
Maine       56%
Oregon     59%
Maryland  66%

I'm not saying that that is where the approvals will be. So where will the President make campaign appearances and where will his campaign buy advertising time?

He probably never had a chance in Oklahoma or Texas, so those are out of consideration and probably have been for some time.  Maryland, Oregon, and now Maine are probably done deals,  and there is no obvious purpose to trying to win 65-70% of the vote in those states. Arizona? Less than two months away from the election and not the deciding state, it probably gets abandoned. The buys of air time stop and the personal appearances go elsewhere.

Missouri is still tempting, but at that point the President may have other concerns than flipping a state that he barely lost in 2008.  Iowa is close to being a sure thing, but not quite there. Ohio... Ohio... Ohio...    

But back to the time when the campaigning begins. There can be surprises. But all in all he is unlikely to turn a 38% approval rating in one state into a 50% vote share, and it is pointless for him to try to turn a 67% approval rating into 70% of the vote. Think of the Presidency as 50 state races, a district-wide race in DC, and five Congressional races. Some races will get more attention than others because they might decide between victory and defeat. I mute the effect for those states in which the President's approval rating is above 45% and figure that any state in which he has an approval above 52% is not a likely loss. Sure, a state with an approval rating in the mid-fifties can get shaky... but the model gives plenty of potential for a rebound. A state with an approval rating between 40% and 47% will at least be tempting. Below 40%? Don't bother.    




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 27, 2011, 08:38:02 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49, -1.

Disapprove 49%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, +2.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on May 27, 2011, 12:06:10 PM
Interesting, thanks.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 27, 2011, 12:26:34 PM

You're welcome. It is a model, and I have no statistical evidence to back it.  Whether it works or not this time may depend upon the personality and achievements of the President -- for which nobody has any objective fact.

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 27, 2011, 11:41:04 PM
Rasmussen polled NJ this week, but approvals are only available to premium members because of Rasmussen's shadyness in recent years.

link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/new_jersey/election_2012_new_jersey_presidential_election)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 28, 2011, 12:55:56 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50, +1.

Disapprove 49%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 36%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on May 28, 2011, 11:01:16 PM
Rasmussen has jumped the shark now with its latest Rasmussen New Jersey poll.  There's absolutely no reason to believe that Rasmussen provides a more accurate picture of New Jersey than SurveyUSA.  And before you think SurveyUSA has some type of bias against certain types of Republicans, just look at the Bachmann/Pawlenty numbers in Minnesota.  Rasmussen is pretty much an establishment Republican schill at this point.

The good news though is that PPP and Tom Jensen were embarrassed itself in the West Virginia GOP primary. 



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on May 28, 2011, 11:03:15 PM
Rasmussen polled NJ this week, but approvals are only available to premium members because of Rasmussen's shadyness in recent years.

link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/new_jersey/election_2012_new_jersey_presidential_election)


I modified your post because the URL was stretching the page.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 28, 2011, 11:07:32 PM
Rasmussen has jumped the shark now with its latest Rasmussen New Jersey poll.  There's absolutely no reason to believe that Rasmussen provides a more accurate picture of New Jersey than SurveyUSA.  And before you think SurveyUSA has some type of bias against certain types of Republicans, just look at the Bachmann/Pawlenty numbers in Minnesota.  Rasmussen is pretty much an establishment Republican schill at this point.

The good news though is that PPP and Tom Jensen were embarrassed itself in the West Virginia GOP primary. 

How were they "embarrassed" ?

They were the only pollster which noticed that Ireland was falling behind. Maloney just picked up the majority of the undecided vote in the last days ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 28, 2011, 11:08:32 PM
Democracy Corps (D):

May 21-25, 2011
1000 Likely Voters

Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling his job as president?

Total approve ..................................................................... 49
Total disapprove ................................................................ 45

http://www.democracycorps.com/wp-content/files/dcor052511fq5_political.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on May 28, 2011, 11:28:10 PM
Tender,

The Politico write-up of PPP's error makes it clear that nobody thought the primary contest would be close except for PPP.   Maloney had already won over voters that PPP claimed were undecided.

If you want to excuse a 13-point error, go right ahead.  Every pollster will claim from this point forward that they got it right but only missed the undecideds.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 28, 2011, 11:39:33 PM
Tender,

The Politico write-up of PPP's error makes it clear that nobody thought the primary contest would be close except for PPP.   Maloney had already won over voters that PPP claimed were undecided.

If you want to excuse a 13-point error, go right ahead.  Every pollster will claim from this point forward that they got it right but only missed the undecideds.

Take a close look here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_gubernatorial_special_election,_2011#Polling_2

Between the 2 PPP polls, Ireland gained zero - I repeat - zero support, while Maloney got almost all of the undecideds.

Why would it be so out of question that Maloney got all of the remaining undecided support over the final weekend ?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on May 29, 2011, 12:00:15 AM
You're missing the argument.

PPP found undecideds when there weren't any.....they had already decided to vote for Maloney by the time PPP called West Virginia Republicans.

So PPP found a much more indecisive electorate than the actual electoraate at the  time it called.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 29, 2011, 08:47:51 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50, u.

Disapprove 49%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 35%, -1.


(Would somebody else please get this for the next fortnight.)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on May 29, 2011, 12:41:10 PM
Obama falls apart in Gallup.  Down to 46/45 among adults.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on May 29, 2011, 01:34:35 PM
Obama falls apart in Gallup.  Down to 46/45 among adults.

Two Big Drops in a row too, which suggest either two consecutive bad samples, or a bad sample coming in and then a good one dropping out.  Also might be something to do with memorial weekend biasing the samples.  If he's not up to at least 49% again by Tuesday, he's probably taken a substantive hit.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on May 29, 2011, 02:30:13 PM
They probably got a slightly more negative sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on May 29, 2011, 03:21:16 PM
Obama's approval ratings are incredibly weak considering that he won with 53% of the vote.

Even if he wins in 2012, he'll probably end up being the only incumbent in the last 100 years other than Wilson to win with a smaller percentage of the vote than he won his first term with.

I still think he loses and potentially loses big.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 29, 2011, 06:26:08 PM
Obama's approval ratings are incredibly weak considering that he won with 53% of the vote.

Even if he wins in 2012, he'll probably end up being the only incumbent in the last 100 years other than Wilson to win with a smaller percentage of the vote than he won his first term with.

I still think he loses and potentially loses big.



Approval is a tough standard. In general, an incumbent Governor or Senator typically gains about 6% vote share from approval between the primary and the general election. 6%? That sounds like a lot -- but remember -- governing and campaigning are very different entities.

46/45 is still good enough that with an 'average' campaign he will get 52% of the vote share with which he can't lose. If current statewide polls are true, then the President will win roughly as he did in 2008.

President Obama can still be defeated if certain things happen -- a personal scandal, a severe meltdown in the economy, or an unrelieved military or diplomatic debacle. But time is running out for any of those. The potential GOP candidates are unusually weak; the GOP majority in the House is now wildly unpopular. GOP governors in a swath of stats from Iowa to new Jersey are incredibly unpopular -- and just look at Florida. Do you think that any Republican nominee for President will want to appear on a podium with Governors Scott, Walker, Snyder, Corbett, or Christie? Nobody likes a loser.

If you think that President Obama has a weak chance of winning re-election, then just look at Dubya, the lowest-achieving President since Jimmy Carter. Dubya had an approval rating in the mid-to-high forties throughout most of 2004... and still won. So why should Dubya win and Obama lose?

President Obama has done most of what one expects a President to do and get re-elected. He has an extensive record of legislative achievements. He has avoided scandals. He has presided over an improving economy for most of his first term. He has gotten us less involved in foreign wars without an obvious defeat. All that remains is that certain negatives don't happen.

Don't count on an economic meltdown; there's no bubble to burst, as the one that could burst about five years ago did -- before he was elected. This President is a stickler for legal, procedural, and diplomatic niceties; he clearly pays attention to intel. When Sarah Palin said

"If we had a real leader instead of a Professor of Constitutional Law (basically things would be better)"

she vastly underestimated this President.

 We are beginning to see why lawyers dominate the Presidency and not other certifiably-smart people (like physicians, engineers, research scientists, journalists, novelists, classical musicians, prelates, and certified public accountants) as President. Lawyers are competitive generalists adept at winning on details.  The other smart people who have more representation as President are high-ranking military officers (so far only Army Generals, but I can imagine Navy Admirals)  are competitive generalists who can win on a detail.  We had one college professor (W. Wilson) and he got mixed results.

So far he seems to win much as he did in 2008 against Romney and pulls off a landslide against just about anyone else.
 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on May 29, 2011, 07:30:00 PM
So you are comparing Obama's 2011 numbers to Bush's 2004 numbers?   The proper comparison is between Obama's 2011 numbers and Bush's 2003 numbers and Bush is wins that comparison easily.

He didn't have anywhere near Obama's baggage and he was coming off a great 2002 midterm election.

As for Palin's lawyer comment, I think she's right in the sense that a non-lawyer would be able to less likely to consider an counterargument that should not be treated with any credibility.  As lawyers, we are trained to consider both sides but that mindset doesn't necessarily translate into being a good President.

To call Obama a "lawyer" is a little misleading in the sense that he did not have a distinguished career as a practicing lawyer.  He worked for a scumbag "civil rights" law firm as a back-bencher.  A practicing lawyer probably brings more to the table in my opinion than a lawyer who derives his experience from the classroom.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on May 29, 2011, 07:58:27 PM
So we have our mypalfish of the 2012 cycle? Lovely.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 29, 2011, 10:27:43 PM
So you are comparing Obama's 2011 numbers to Bush's 2004 numbers?   The proper comparison is between Obama's 2011 numbers and Bush's 2003 numbers and Bush is wins that comparison easily.

There is no perfect analogy. George W. Bush was riding the good will related to early ground wins in Iraq -- before the guerrilla warfare began and started killing so many Americans. President Obama has not had approval ratings as inflated as those of Dubya. "Steady as she goes" will be adequate until campaign season begins.  

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He didn't have anywhere near Obama's baggage and he was coming off a great 2002 midterm election.

Unless you fail to count "incompetence" and "dishonesty" as baggage, in which case Dubya is overloaded. The great 2002 midterm -- the result of 9/11. I have seen plenty of articles suggesting that Dubya was one of the worst Presidents in American history that don't even mention ideology. Those that castigate President Obama center on his agenda. So it was with Ronald Reagan, and Reagan still won big in 1984.

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As for Palin's lawyer comment, I think she's right in the sense that a non-lawyer would be able to less likely to consider an counterargument that should not be treated with any credibility.  As lawyers, we are trained to consider both sides but that mindset doesn't necessarily translate into being a good President.

But those are habits that attorneys need! Most others get away with some finagling, as you can see with some of the professions that I mentioned. Nothing says that one must be a superb attorney to be a good President (example: Truman, but somehow I think that Truman would have been a fine attorney). If you can't see the counterargument then you can't recognize a rash action for consequences beyond the objective.

Case: I look at the gangland-style hit that put an end to Osama bin Laden. I can imagine what went through the mind of the President -- most notably, "what can go wrong?" There could have been a Pakistani military guard present in a place full of Pakistani army officers. That might have made the hit fail not only but to kill Pakistanis that the President had no desire to harm... and perhaps turn Pakistan into a new Iran.

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To call Obama a "lawyer" is a little misleading in the sense that he did not have a distinguished career as a practicing lawyer.  He worked for a scumbag "civil rights" law firm as a back-bencher.  A practicing lawyer probably brings more to the table in my opinion than a lawyer who derives his experience from the classroom.

So he went into elected public office. Of course, the most lucrative area of legal practice is corporate law... if he had been greedy and materialistic, then he would have been good at it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on May 30, 2011, 12:08:25 AM
Lol... before Edwards did himself in... what were the GOPers saying about him?

It's Pouding-the-Palin-rock... he's back now Palin looks like getting into the race.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 30, 2011, 12:10:32 AM
Gallup has a tool for comparing and contrasting the approvals of Presidents. The closest analogues for President Obama are Presidents Reagan and Clinton. The charts of their approval ratings are so similar that the difference looks at all times but the first 200 days. Differences  look like random noise for our  40th, 42nd, and 44th Presidents.  

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Two of the three were re-elected decisively. The other is President Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 30, 2011, 08:42:40 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49, -1.

Disapprove 49%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 34%, -1.

Well someone else get this, starting tomorrow?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on May 30, 2011, 02:37:57 PM
Yeah, the country is going to embrace this beyond mediocre president and he will win by the same amount. Where's that "era of good feelings" you were predicting pbrower?



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 30, 2011, 03:49:41 PM
Yeah, the country is going to embrace this beyond mediocre president and he will win by the same amount. Where's that "era of good feelings" you were predicting pbrower?


Sure, he is beyond mediocre, but probably not as you want the term to mean. So far this President has been able to avoid scandals and military or diplomatic blunders. With cooperative majorities in the 111th Congress he has gotten much legislative activity passed. Osama bin Laden is dead without undue complications. The economy hasn't tanked, and in the absence of a speculative bubble (the President may be lucky that it tanked when it did) there is little chance of another economic meltdown.

I already see the GOP having so bungled its message in the 112th Congress that few of its politicians are in position to challenge the President.  In view of some of the extreme and callous positions that the GOP has taken in Congress, the 2010 elections could be a Pyrrhic victory  for the GOP.

A new Era of Good Feeling? The GOP still has the money and corporate power behind it. That said, many elected Republicans are incredibly unpopular. I look at the gap between President Barack Obama and some Republican Governors and approval for Congress as a whole with the Republican majority and Republicans in Congress... there is no good feeling. This isn't the 1820s all over.

People are fussier about politics than they used to be. In view of what Dubya got away with, that is a very good thing. But that said, if the President has 50% approval on Halloween 2012 and Congressional Republicans have approval ratings in the thirties, then guess how that works. If we had another President as incompetent as Dubya, then we would be in big trouble.

I suggest that you check out this page

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

and overlay the approval ratings for Presidents Reagan, Clinton, and Obama. So far the difference between the three is best described as random noise. Reagan and Carter were both re-elected by decisive margins. Why do you expect differently of President Obama?

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on May 30, 2011, 05:04:52 PM
Yeah, the country is going to embrace this beyond mediocre president and he will win by the same amount. Where's that "era of good feelings" you were predicting pbrower?



Well, all that matters is that Obama is considered to be a better option than his opponent... and on that front Obama is doing quite well.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 30, 2011, 11:34:48 PM
CNN:

54% Approve
45% Disapprove

Interviews with 1,007 adult Americans conducted by telephone by Opinion Research Corporation on May 24-26, 2011. The margin of sampling error for results based on the total sample is plus or minus 3 percentage points.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/05/30/rel9d.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 01, 2011, 01:00:26 PM
Rasmussen:

49-50

Gallup:

49-42

Rasmussen (New Jersey, finally):

53-46

(Gov. Christie)

53-44

LOL, Rasmussen = only pollster to give Christie a higher rating than Obama !

Link (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/new_jersey/nj_voters_like_christie_s_budget_performance_better_than_obama_s)

New York (Quinnipiac):

60-35

(Gov. Cuomo)

61-18

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1606


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 01, 2011, 01:07:42 PM
Rasmussen is too good to be true:

They wanna make us believe that there are currently 35.6% Republicans and 34.0% Democrats among adults, not even RV or LV.

This is what Rasmussen will use as the June benchmark for their daily tracking poll ... :P

Not even the 2010 Exit Poll was so skewed in favor of Republicans, it was actually tied (35-35).

http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2010/results/polls/#USH00p1

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/partisan_trends


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 01, 2011, 02:07:00 PM
Quinnipiac, New York. New York seems pretty quiet these days, but New Yorkers also have the sort of government that they like.

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New York State voters approve 60 - 35 percent of the job President Barack Obama is doing, his highest score since February 19, 2009, one month after inauguration. Independent voters split 47 - 47 percent, while Democrats approve 89 - 7 percent and Republicans disapprove 76 - 19 percent.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1606

Polling was completed in May, so it is still lettered "E"

...the euphoria about the whacking of Osama bin Laden is surely past. Yellow-to-tan colors for Pennsylvania and New Hampshire have to look very dated now.

This weekend, PPP will poll Massachusetts and South Carolina.

Current map:
 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  134
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   120
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 54
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  40
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  46
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   48




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  134
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   120
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 60
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  3
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but  Romney 43
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 59
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  48  





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 02, 2011, 11:33:43 AM
For what it is worth:

Quote
Overall, 49% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president's performance. Fifty percent (50%) at least somewhat disapprove.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 02, 2011, 11:35:36 AM
Not worth a lot, because Rasmussen's likely voter sample is now about 37% GOP and 33% DEM or something like this -> see one of my posts above.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 02, 2011, 12:27:15 PM
Not worth a lot, because Rasmussen's likely voter sample is now about 37% GOP and 33% DEM or something like this -> see one of my posts above.

Basically an electorate slightly more R than that of 2010. Why does that make about as much sense as expecting the WCTU to start pushing beer?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 02, 2011, 12:34:17 PM
Whoah, big Gallup jump today:

53% Approve (+4)
39% Disapprove (-3)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 02, 2011, 12:38:07 PM
This is the first time since November 2009 that his disapproval has dropped to below 40%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on June 02, 2011, 12:59:04 PM
Obama Approval Rating for May 2011 (Gallup):

50% Approve

42% Disapprove

Trends for Comparison:

Carter: 35/51 (May 1979)

Reagan: 44/48 (May 1983)

Bush I: 75/17 (May 1991)

Clinton: 51/42 (May 1995)

Bush II: 66/30 (May 2003)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on June 02, 2011, 01:08:19 PM
Whoah, big Gallup jump today:

53% Approve (+4)
39% Disapprove (-3)
Gallup's been all over the place lately.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on June 02, 2011, 01:11:17 PM
Gallup's being weird.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 02, 2011, 03:45:57 PM
Foretaste on Minnesota. Which one of these looks like the most likely first President of the United States from Minnesota? (Hubert Humphrey is obviously no longer available).

Quote
Q1 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of Michele Bachmann?
Favorable .............. 33%
Unfavorable........... 59%
Not sure ................ 8%

Q2 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of Tim Pawlenty?
Favorable .............. 40%
Unfavorable........... 53%
Not sure ................ 7%

Q3 Do you approve or disapprove of Senator Amy
Klobuchar’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 61%
Disapprove...................................................... 28%
Not sure .......................................................... 11%

The current Senator will have to wait until 2016. The quibble on the difference between approval and favorability is slight in contrast to the obvious.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_MN_0602.pdf

PPP, which hadn't polled Minnesota since December, will be releasing approvals on the President in Iowa and Minnesota this week.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: DS0816 on June 03, 2011, 07:07:40 AM
Party affliliation can only go so far; plenty of Republican presidents the last 40 years while there were more self-identifying Democrats.

I'll trust Gallup's polling over Rasmussen's. Ras was the one that told us McCain was still ahead in Ohio til early October. I think Zogby, or someone else, pulled the same crap with Florida.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on June 03, 2011, 08:00:51 AM
Party affliliation can only go so far; plenty of Republican presidents the last 40 years while there were more self-identifying Democrats.

I'll trust Gallup's polling over Rasmussen's. Ras was the one that told us McCain was still ahead in Ohio til early October. I think Zogby, or someone else, pulled the same crap with Florida.

Gallup was off by several points for the whole country.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 03, 2011, 11:08:14 AM
Iowa, PPP.  Probably off the table for any GOP nominee for President in 2012, with President Obama likely winning it about as he did in 2008 against Romney. Others are barely worth mentioning. Still a May poll.

Quote
Iowa Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 49%
Disapprove...................................................... 45%
Not sure .......................................................... 6%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 54%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 33%
Undecided....................................................... 13%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 55%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 35%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 49%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 40%
Undecided....................................................... 12%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Tim
Pawlenty, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 49%
Tim Pawlenty .................................................. 37%
Undecided....................................................... 14%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Herman Cain, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 50%
Herman Cain................................................... 32%
Undecided....................................................... 18%



Current map:
 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  134
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   126
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 48
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  40
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  46
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   48




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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)




             
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  134
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   126
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 54
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  3
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but  Romney 43
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 59
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  48  






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on June 03, 2011, 03:21:51 PM
Gallup (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve: 51 (-2)
Disapprove: 42 (+3)



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on June 03, 2011, 08:59:18 PM
Gallup (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve: 51 (-2)
Disapprove: 42 (+3)



They're just all over the place lately hugh?

Oh well.  Obama's probably around 48-50% and they just got a couplet bad samples recently


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 04, 2011, 12:00:42 AM
Allstate / National Journal Hearland Monitor:

51% Approve
41% Disapprove

http://www.allstate.com/Allstate/content/refresh-attachments/Heartland_IX_data.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on June 04, 2011, 12:36:36 PM
Obama falls apart in Gallup.  Back down to 48/44

Down ten net approval points in two days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on June 04, 2011, 12:49:44 PM
Yeah, I'd say Obama's somewhere around 48-52. Probably a dip in approval due to job losses in May.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on June 04, 2011, 01:17:48 PM
Obama falls apart in Gallup.  Back down to 48/44

Down ten net approval points in two days.

Stop saying that, it's silly. It's like me going Obama surges in approval!!!!!11 after the bump a few days ago.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on June 04, 2011, 01:25:01 PM
Unfortunately Oakvale, your buddies in the Democrat Party all pointed to how Obama's approval rating in Gallup was at its highest point and how his disapproval was now under 40% when he hit 53/39 two days ago.

Now that he's back down to a mediocre 48/44 and may fall tomorrow as well, I'm going to point it out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on June 04, 2011, 03:36:19 PM
OBAMA LOST THREE POINTS IN APPROVAL, HE'S BEEN COMPLETELY DEMOLISHED.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: foodgellas on June 05, 2011, 02:55:07 PM
Unfortunately Oakvale, your buddies in the Democrat Party all pointed to how Obama's approval rating in Gallup was at its highest point and how his disapproval was now under 40% when he hit 53/39 two days ago.

Now that he's back down to a mediocre 48/44 and may fall tomorrow as well, I'm going to point it out.

I love how irritated the righties get when Obama goes up in opinion polls. "But... but.. he's a socialist!"


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Poundingtherock on June 05, 2011, 03:54:45 PM
47/45 in Gallup, now down 12 net approval points in three days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Niemeyerite on June 05, 2011, 05:09:06 PM
47/45 in Gallup, now down 12 net approval points in three days.

I'll quote Odysseus:


OBAMA LOST THREE 12 POINTS IN APPROVAL, HE'S BEEN COMPLETELY DEMOLISHED.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on June 05, 2011, 05:09:48 PM
47/45 in Gallup, now down 12 net approval points in three days.
It sounds like you're trying to compensate for something.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on June 05, 2011, 06:22:37 PM
OBAMA COLLAPSES THREE POINTS IN TRACKING POLL, PALIN ELECTED PRESIDENT IN LANDSLIDE


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on June 06, 2011, 05:23:31 AM
I just deleted the last couple of posts in the thread because it was getting too personal.

Guys, I know some of you may not like poundingtherock, but the rule against personal attacks does not have any special exemption for him.  If you don't want to read his posts, you can always put him on ignore.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Wiz in Wis on June 06, 2011, 01:16:47 PM
I just deleted the last couple of posts in the thread because it was getting too personal.

Guys, I know some of you may not like poundingtherock, but the rule against personal attacks does not have any special exemption for him.  If you don't want to read his posts, you can always put him on ignore.


How's this for a personal attack?

You know what I want, Mr Morden? I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price. I would look up at your lifeless eyes and wave like this. *waves* Can you and your associates arrange this for me, Mr. Morden?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on June 06, 2011, 02:55:53 PM
So, what did Obama do last week that would cause this supposed Approvalgeddon?  Did I miss something or is this statistical noise?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on June 06, 2011, 04:00:26 PM
I just deleted the last couple of posts in the thread because it was getting too personal.

Guys, I know some of you may not like poundingtherock, but the rule against personal attacks does not have any special exemption for him.  If you don't want to read his posts, you can always put him on ignore.


How's this for a personal attack?

You know what I want, Mr Morden? I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price. I would look up at your lifeless eyes and wave like this. *waves* Can you and your associates arrange this for me, Mr. Morden?

10 point infraction

(kidding....though it would be hilarious if someone reported that)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0n2vurSBIQ


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on June 06, 2011, 07:53:12 PM
So, what did Obama do last week that would cause this supposed Approvalgeddon?  Did I miss something or is this statistical noise?

He didn't do anything specifically. It's just the awful economic numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on June 06, 2011, 09:56:36 PM
Gallup:
Approve: 49% (+2)
Dissaprove 43% (-2)

OBAMA REBOUNDS, REELECTION ALL BUT ASSURED!!!! 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 07, 2011, 12:29:39 AM
2 new national polls released today:

ABC News/Washington Post

47% Approve
49% Disapprove

Methodology -- This ABC News/Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone June 2-5, 2011, among a random national sample of 1,002 adults, including landline and cell-phone-only respondents. Results for the full sample have a 3.5-point error margin. Click here for a detailed description of sampling error. This survey was produced for ABC News by Langer Research Associates of New York, N.Y, with sampling, data collection and tabulation by TNS of Horsham, Pa.

http://langerresearch.com/uploads/1124a2_2012_Politics.pdf

PPP/DailyKos/SEIU

46% Approve
48% Disapprove

49% Favorable
46% Unfavorable

Public Policy Polling, 1000 Registered Voters, MoE 3.1%, June 2, 2011 - June 5, 2011

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/6/2


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 07, 2011, 12:33:32 AM
The average of the last 4 recent polls (Rasmussen, Gallup, PPP, ABC/Post):

47.5% Approve
47.8% Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 07, 2011, 02:24:13 AM
CBS certainly has been rather pessimistic in regards to the economy starting Friday. If this was true across most of the networks, that may be the reason for the more negative polling (ABC, and PPP). Perhaps Gallup is just late in picking this up.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 07, 2011, 12:58:19 PM
Rasmussen today: 49-50 (+1, -1)

Gallup today: 50-40 (+1, -3)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 07, 2011, 01:35:01 PM
Might as well cancel the election.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Biden is your president. Deal with it. on June 07, 2011, 03:22:03 PM
People are acting president obama is like 5% in his approval gallup has him back at 50%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on June 07, 2011, 10:54:41 PM
Might as well cancel the election.
Because polls obviously will make no change between 2012 and now. Just look at Bush 41's re-election, or when Reagan was crushed by Carter  in 1980 ::)




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on June 07, 2011, 10:57:00 PM
Might as well cancel the election.

4 POINT SWING IN ONE DAY!!! OBAMA MUST HAVE SAVED PUPPIES AND ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN!!!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on June 08, 2011, 01:05:36 AM
Obama is a joke and a joker...next


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 08, 2011, 01:46:15 AM
Georgia, a Republican poll:

Quote
In a wave election year for Democrats, in a state with a substantial minority population and as he won the presidency in a landslide, Barack Obama lost Georgia to Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) by 5 points.

“If Obama is going to win a red state, this is his most likely pickoff state,” longtime Georgia Republican political consultant Mark Rountree said. “If he’s going to be making a play for one, I would be looking for him to be making a play here first.” Rountree, skeptical it could be done, believes Georgia’s demographic shifts have made an Obama victory there possible.

A Chicago-based source with knowledge of the Obama campaign said the re-election team would not ignore Georgia.

Rountree, who is also a GOP pollster, said his firm conducted a mid-May auto-dial poll of 1,577 likely Georgia voters showing an uphill climb for Obama.

It found 43 percent supported Obama’s re-election and 47 percent thought it was time to elect someone else. But when the survey put the president head-to-head with former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney (R), Obama led 43 percent to 39 percent.

“Mitt Romney is not going to excite Republican voters down here,” said former Rep. Bob Barr (R-Ga.), who ran for president on the Libertarian Party ticket in 2008. “That is a danger, that it would suppress Republican turnout.”

In 2008, the Obama campaign briefly considered making a concerted push in Georgia. It figured demographics and Barr’s presence on the ballot could be on its side. But it never spent much money or devoted much of Obama’s time to the state, and in the end he lost to McCain 47 percent to 52 percent.

http://www.rollcall.com/issues/56_135/Georgia-Barack-Obama-Electoral-Chances-206245-1.html

http://landmarkcommunications.net/team

This poll is not really an approval poll -- but it directly contradicts (really supersedes) a matchup poll in which President Obama loses to Romney but nobody else. This matchup effectively suggests that Georgia is a likely pickup by President Obama against any imaginable GOP nominee, now including Mitt Romney.



Current map:
 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


           
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  134
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   126
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 48
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  40
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  46
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   48




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

(
)




             
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  134
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   126
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 70
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  3
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but  Romney 43
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 43
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  48  






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on June 08, 2011, 01:49:59 AM
This is why I still need to see something solid out of PA... that map just looks wrong...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 08, 2011, 02:09:36 AM
This is why I still need to see something solid out of PA... that map just looks wrong...

I concur. I saw a bunch of states become more pro-Obama in the aftermath of the killing of Osama bin Laden. New York voted about 10% more for President Obama than did Pennsylvania. I just cant imagine New York approving the President by an amount in the low sixties while Pennsylvania approves of the President in an amount in the low forties. I see President Obama showing more recent approval ratings in the high forties in Arizona, Georgia, and Ohio, which is consistent with the President winning each of those states -- and South Carolina and Missouri in the mid-forties.

The most recent poll in Pennsylvania isn't so much wrong (it was probably right in its time)  as it is dated. It showed at a time when the President was at a low point in approval ratings. The only alternative explanation that I can find is that Pennsylvania really is going R even as states like Virginia, North Carolina, and Ohio are going D.

Until I see a poll that supersedes the most recent poll in Pennsylvania, the one that I now have stays in place.

As for New Hampshire -- Mitt Romney now has his domicile there. Maybe he has some Favorite Son effect working for him; such could be enough to swing the state from 54-45 Obama to about 54-45 Romney. All in all I think that in his case any Favorite Son effect would be weak there; he has never held statewide office there (although he did in a neighboring state).   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 08, 2011, 11:32:51 AM
PPP, Minnesota. Last polled in December.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_MN_0606.pdf

Quote
Minnesota Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of Barack
Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 51%
Disapprove...................................................... 44%
Not sure .......................................................... 5%

President Obama wins at least 50% of the vote with gaps of at least 10% against any Republican:

Quote
Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 54%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 36%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 56%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 36%
Undecided....................................................... 8%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 36%
Undecided....................................................... 13%

Q12 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Michele Bachmann, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 56%
Michele Bachmann ......................................... 35%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Q13 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Herman Cain, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Herman Cain................................................... 30%
Undecided....................................................... 19%

...except against Pawlenty, against whom he still locks up a majority against a possible Favorite Son

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Q14 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Tim
Pawlenty, who would you vote for?

Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Tim Pawlenty .................................................. 43%
Undecided....................................................... 6%

and the unlikely scenario of a three-way race with Jesse Ventura as an independent, in which the President wins the state with a 'mere', but large and decisive plurality:


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Q15 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama, Republican Mitt
Romney, and independent Jesse Ventura, who
would you vote for?

Barack Obama................................................ 46%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 32%
Jesse Ventura................................................. 16%
Undecided....................................................... 6%

Jesse Ventura would take more votes from President Obama than from Mitt Romney. This state might not be as overwhelmingly D as states like Vermont and Rhode Island , but it is probably as stable as any State. I figure that it is going to give about 50% of the vote to a Democratic nominee in a Republican landslide for the Presidency (1984) or about 57% to the Democratic landslide for the Presidency in which the Democrat wins 60% of the vote.    



Current map:
 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  134
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   126
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 48
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  40
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  46
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   48




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  134
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   126
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 70
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  3
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but  Romney 43
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 43
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  48  







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 08, 2011, 12:16:29 PM
Quote
Q15 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama, Republican Mitt
Romney, and independent Jesse Ventura, who
would you vote for?

Barack Obama................................................ 46%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 32%
Jesse Ventura................................................. 16%
Undecided....................................................... 6%

Jesse Ventura would take more votes from President Obama than from Mitt Romney. This state might not be as overwhelmingly D as states like Vermont and Rhode Island , but it is probably as stable as any State. I figure that it is going to give about 50% of the vote to a Democratic nominee in a Republican landslide for the Presidency (1984) or about 57% to the Democratic landslide for the Presidency in which the Democrat wins 60% of the vote.    

According to the PPP crosstabs, Ventura would take more votes from Romney than from Obama.

Ventura gets 8% of Democrats, 15% Republicans and 25% Independents.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 08, 2011, 12:56:09 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 51, +1.

Disapprove 48%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 36%, +1.

After a week, only a slight drop in Rasmussen.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 08, 2011, 11:50:12 PM
A few new national polls are out:

Reuters/Ipsos: 50-45

FOX News: 48-43

CBS News: 48-43

CNN News: 48-48

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 09, 2011, 08:51:51 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49, -2.

Disapprove 50%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 35%, -1.

For all the complaining about Rasmussen, it is remarkably stable.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: krazen1211 on June 09, 2011, 09:57:00 AM
Obama still heavily underwater in Pennsylvania.

http://grassrootspa.com/blogcore/pdf/Toplines-Media-Statewide-June2011.pdf

President Obama’s job approval rating in Pennsylvania is a negative 48% to 41% (disapprove to approve), which reflects an even further decline in the percentage of those who approve of his job performance when compared with his 45% job approval score from our March Statewide Omnibus Poll.

When asked if they think President Obama deserves reelection, 43% say he has done his job well enough to deserve reelection, while 50% say it is time to give a new person a chance.



Of course he won with a very odd coalition. Kerry would have lost if he performed at Obama levels in southwest PA.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 09, 2011, 10:16:25 AM
Obama still heavily underwater in Pennsylvania.

http://grassrootspa.com/blogcore/pdf/Toplines-Media-Statewide-June2011.pdf

President Obama’s job approval rating in Pennsylvania is a negative 48% to 41% (disapprove to approve), which reflects an even further decline in the percentage of those who approve of his job performance when compared with his 45% job approval score from our March Statewide Omnibus Poll.

When asked if they think President Obama deserves reelection, 43% say he has done his job well enough to deserve reelection, while 50% say it is time to give a new person a chance.



Of course he won with a very odd coalition. Kerry would have lost if he performed at Obama levels in southwest PA.

I don't know if I buy this. Didn't Pennsylvania vote against George W Bush both times?
Pennsylvania hasn't voted Republican since 1988. However, I wouldn't doubt this poll, as polling in Pennsylvania has consistently shown Obama with low approvals. I find it quite odd his approvals are lower in Pennsylvania than Ohio or North Carolina.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: krazen1211 on June 09, 2011, 10:38:47 AM
Obama still heavily underwater in Pennsylvania.

http://grassrootspa.com/blogcore/pdf/Toplines-Media-Statewide-June2011.pdf

President Obama’s job approval rating in Pennsylvania is a negative 48% to 41% (disapprove to approve), which reflects an even further decline in the percentage of those who approve of his job performance when compared with his 45% job approval score from our March Statewide Omnibus Poll.

When asked if they think President Obama deserves reelection, 43% say he has done his job well enough to deserve reelection, while 50% say it is time to give a new person a chance.



Of course he won with a very odd coalition. Kerry would have lost if he performed at Obama levels in southwest PA.

I don't know if I buy this. Didn't Pennsylvania vote against George W Bush both times?

Barely, yeah. But Kerry did much better in SW PA than Obama did. That was compensated for by Obama doing much better in SE PA than Kerry did. The problem apparently is that the latter is sliding back to the GOP while the former is not sliding back to the Democrats. At least not this Democrat.

Not the first poll either.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=134324.0


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 09, 2011, 11:38:14 AM
Obama still heavily underwater in Pennsylvania.

http://grassrootspa.com/blogcore/pdf/Toplines-Media-Statewide-June2011.pdf

President Obama’s job approval rating in Pennsylvania is a negative 48% to 41% (disapprove to approve), which reflects an even further decline in the percentage of those who approve of his job performance when compared with his 45% job approval score from our March Statewide Omnibus Poll.

When asked if they think President Obama deserves reelection, 43% say he has done his job well enough to deserve reelection, while 50% say it is time to give a new person a chance.



Of course he won with a very odd coalition. Kerry would have lost if he performed at Obama levels in southwest PA.

That would explain much. Aside from greater Pittsburgh, southwestern Pennsylvania is demographically much like West Virginia, a state that Barack Obama lost badly for a Democrat. He did extremely well in the suburban areas of Philadelphia in 2008, drawing away some traditional Republican voters who until then reliably voted with their bosses on such issues as taxes and regulation.

A Republican nominee can win this state if he can establish a message of hope based upon trust in corporate power and the (alleged) beneficence of elites, which was demonstrated in the election of Pat Toomey as Senator in 2010 -- Pat Toomey, former head of the Club for Growth, and about as pure a corporatist as there is.

Economic desperation can lead people to vote for a very flawed savior. A drowning man grasps at a viper.

   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: krazen1211 on June 09, 2011, 01:29:38 PM
That would explain much. Aside from greater Pittsburgh, southwestern Pennsylvania is demographically much like West Virginia, a state that Barack Obama lost badly for a Democrat. He did extremely well in the suburban areas of Philadelphia in 2008, drawing away some traditional Republican voters who until then reliably voted with their bosses on such issues as taxes and regulation.

A Republican nominee can win this state if he can establish a message of hope based upon trust in corporate power and the (alleged) beneficence of elites, which was demonstrated in the election of Pat Toomey as Senator in 2010 -- Pat Toomey, former head of the Club for Growth, and about as pure a corporatist as there is.

Economic desperation can lead people to vote for a very flawed savior. A drowning man grasps at a viper.
   

The conclusion isn't supported by the facts. Toomey held a Congressional seat in the Lehigh Valley that Kerry won by a couple hundred votes long before today's economic desperation.

These people simply prefer a socially moderate Republican, or even a conservative who isn't a culture warrior, to a Democrat. Sestak actually won Philadelphia by more votes than Casey did in 2006 and did well enough in Philadelphia to win statewide; if he didn't get demolished elsewhere.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on June 09, 2011, 06:51:31 PM
If Obama doesn't win PA, which is looking ever likely, I don't think he'll win re-election. Nice to see my boy, Mitt, pull level with him in the overall polls too (although still quite early).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on June 09, 2011, 07:27:34 PM
If Obama doesn't win PA, which is looking ever likely, I don't think he'll win re-election. Nice to see my boy, Mitt, pull level with him in the overall polls too (although still quite early).
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If Pensylvania is swinging Republican, Obama could compensate elsewhere.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on June 09, 2011, 08:22:40 PM
If Obama doesn't win PA, which is looking ever likely, I don't think he'll win re-election. Nice to see my boy, Mitt, pull level with him in the overall polls too (although still quite early).
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If Pensylvania is swinging Republican, Obama could compensate elsewhere.  


Good luck: http://articles.philly.com/2011-05-15/news/29545905_1_independent-voters-pennsylvania-poll-pennsylvania-voters

Also, NC? VA? Come on now.

PS: Can someone please tell me why we inverse the colors on this forum? It's beyond irritating.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on June 09, 2011, 09:02:52 PM
Obama has a legitamate shot at both Virginia and North Carolina.  He consistantly leads all Republicans in matchups.  While its still a long way from election day, Obama may be stronger in North Carolina and Virginia than in Pennsylvania.

NC: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_0523.pdf

VA: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_VA_0510424.pdf
      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_050042011_MON.html

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If Obama can't win Pennsylvania, he will almost certainly lose Ohio and Florida," Madonna says.
This apparently is the article's rational, Obama doesn't win Ohio or Florida in my scenario.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 09, 2011, 09:09:28 PM
If Obama doesn't win PA, which is looking ever likely, I don't think he'll win re-election. Nice to see my boy, Mitt, pull level with him in the overall polls too (although still quite early).
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If Pensylvania is swinging Republican, Obama could compensate elsewhere.  


Good luck: http://articles.philly.com/2011-05-15/news/29545905_1_independent-voters-pennsylvania-poll-pennsylvania-voters

Also, NC? VA? Come on now.

PS: Can someone please tell me why we inverse the colors on this forum? It's beyond irritating.

1. The polls that showed President Obama holding an approval rating in the low forties in Pennsylvania came when he was doing badly in polls nationwide. Since then, Osama bin Laden has met the Great Satan. There are now May polls for Pennsylvania, but those for some neighboring (New York and Ohio) and near-neighboring (Virginia) states have shown the President with much higher approval ratings. The last one for New York State showed the President with an approval rating in the low sixties. Pennsylvania is about 10% less Democratic than New York,  so...I figure that the April polls for Pennsylvania, if right at the time, are dated. The most recent polls for Presidential approval in Arizona, Florida, Iowa, Missouri, and North Carolina are higher. But those are more recent than the latest polls for Pennsylvania.  

2. Pennsylvania gets polled often because it is large, because it is critical, and because it has no obvious analogue.  If you should see an approval rating of 52% for Pennsylvania, then don't be surprised.  

3.  If you notice my maps I show Pennsylvania winnable by a Republican nominee -- but only by Mitt Romney. Even at the low point, everyone else -- Mike Huckabee was then in the mix -- was projected to lose to President Obama -- loses.

4. Pennsylvania has a relatively old population. Paul Ryan laid an egg with older voters with his proposal to privatize Medicare and Medicaid. That has yet to show.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on June 09, 2011, 09:16:19 PM
If Obama doesn't win PA, which is looking ever likely, I don't think he'll win re-election. Nice to see my boy, Mitt, pull level with him in the overall polls too (although still quite early).
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If Pensylvania is swinging Republican, Obama could compensate elsewhere.  


Good luck: http://articles.philly.com/2011-05-15/news/29545905_1_independent-voters-pennsylvania-poll-pennsylvania-voters

Also, NC? VA? Come on now.

PS: Can someone please tell me why we inverse the colors on this forum? It's beyond irritating.

1. The polls that showed President Obama holding an approval rating in the low forties in Pennsylvania came when he was doing badly in polls nationwide. Since then, Osama bin Laden has met the Great Satan. There are now May polls for Pennsylvania, but those for some neighboring (New York and Ohio) and near-neighboring (Virginia) states have shown the President with much higher approval ratings. The last one for New York State showed the President with an approval rating in the low sixties. Pennsylvania is about 10% less Democratic than New York,  so...I figure that the April polls for Pennsylvania, if right at the time, are dated. The most recent polls for Presidential approval in Arizona, Florida, Iowa, Missouri, and North Carolina are higher. But those are more recent than the latest polls for Pennsylvania.  

2. Pennsylvania gets polled often because it is large, because it is critical, and because it has no obvious analogue.  If you should see an approval rating of 52% for Pennsylvania, then don't be surprised.  

3.  If you notice my maps I show Pennsylvania winnable by a Republican nominee -- but only by Mitt Romney. Even at the low point, everyone else -- Mike Huckabee was then in the mix -- was projected to lose to President Obama -- loses.

4. Pennsylvania has a relatively old population. Paul Ryan laid an egg with older voters with his proposal to privatize Medicare and Medicaid. That has yet to show.

No offense PBrower, but your map is almost impossible to read. Color coded maps are suppose to make things easier. There's way too many colors on yours, it's a headache. I simply ignore it for that reason. I applaud your effort, but you need to make it clearer and easier to read.....


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 10, 2011, 12:18:56 AM
It's not my map.

It's the size that makes them difficult to read.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 10, 2011, 08:49:27 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47, -3.

Disapprove 53%, +4.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, +3.

Probably a bad sample, but it now looks like a drop across the board.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on June 10, 2011, 08:51:01 AM
a 7% swing in a day? and probably a bad sample? lol


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 10, 2011, 10:21:09 AM
a 7% swing in a day? and probably a bad sample? lol

Or a bad sample dropped out.

The "swing" is basically 3-3.5 points, so it is not unusually dramatic (and in the MOE).  The other polls are showing a drop, however.  The economic news is not particularly good, which could be a cause.

All that said, I'd rather wait to Monday to see if it is still there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: krazen1211 on June 10, 2011, 10:44:45 AM
If Obama doesn't win PA, which is looking ever likely, I don't think he'll win re-election. Nice to see my boy, Mitt, pull level with him in the overall polls too (although still quite early).
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If Pensylvania is swinging Republican, Obama could compensate elsewhere.  


That's a likely outcome I think. NC was R+1 or so in the 2010 congressional elections, statewide, and should still be more Republican than the nation as a whole in 2012.

A Republican will need to win about 67% of NC whites. McCain got 64%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 10, 2011, 10:54:31 AM
The state in which Paul Revere took his famous ride in 1775 checks in:

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Massachusetts Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of Barack
Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 58%
Disapprove...................................................... 37%
Not sure .......................................................... 5%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Herman Cain, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 60%
Herman Cain................................................... 27%
Undecided....................................................... 14%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 63%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 27%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 63%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 27%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Tim
Pawlenty, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 59%
Tim Pawlenty .................................................. 28%
Undecided....................................................... 13%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 57%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 37%
Undecided....................................................... 6%


What can anyone expect in one of the two states, the other Minnesota, that split as highest (winner) and second-highest (loser) for  McGovern in 1972 and Mondale in 1984?


Current map:
 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  134
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   126
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 48
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  40
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  46
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   48




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  134
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   126
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 70
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  3
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but  Romney 43
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 43
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  48  








Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on June 10, 2011, 01:01:28 PM
He's also back underwater in Gallup too, down to 45-46

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

Although Gallup's been jumping around a lot lately, so he might bounce back up to 50-40 tomorrow for all I know.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 10, 2011, 01:43:40 PM
Of greater interest is the state first to secede in 1860 (but a plurality in the state now is glad that the North won the Civil War, according to a miscellaneous poll by PPP:

Quote
South Carolina Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 43%
Disapprove...................................................... 53%
Not sure .......................................................... 3%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 46%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 44%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 48%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 43%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 41%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 50%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Tim
Pawlenty, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 42%
Tim Pawlenty .................................................. 42%
Undecided....................................................... 16%

Q12 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Herman Cain, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 43%
Herman Cain................................................... 40%
Undecided....................................................... 17%

Q13 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Jim
DeMint, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 44%
Jim DeMint...................................................... 47%
Undecided....................................................... 9%


Current map:
 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  134
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   126
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 48
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  40
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  46
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   48




44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  134
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   126
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 70
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  3
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but  Romney 43
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 43
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  48  









Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on June 10, 2011, 01:48:02 PM
I think you might be adding too much to Obama.  That map is Generic R, that's Bachmann.  What would the map look like if you only added half as much as you currently do to incumbent advantages?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 10, 2011, 02:56:56 PM
I think you might be adding too much to Obama.  That map is Generic R, that's Bachmann.  What would the map look like if you only added half as much as you currently do to incumbent advantages?

The lower map shows matchups, and in general those show my estimates justified. "Generic Republican" is relevant this year because the Republican Party has no candidate analogous to Ronald Reagan who has an adequately-wide appeal across a cross-section of America. "Generic Republican" defeats a Democratic incumbent President who has an approval rating just below 50% but that candidate  as a rule goes into hibernation as the first primaries and caucuses of the Presidential election begin.  It would take a Ronald Reagan to defeat President Obama now... but all in all, I think that Barack Obama has political skills closer to those of Ronald Reagan than does anyone who followed the Gipper.

The President's approval is underwater in Ohio and Georgia, yet he apparently wins against everyone there, as shown in matchups. The lower map shows Romney as the only possible winner against President Obama in Pennsylvania and New Hampshire (those polls are dated!) -- but that hardly contradicts my "add 6%" rule for states in which the President's approval rating is between 40% and 45%. That would seem to illustrate the relevance of the rule. As for Arizona, it is possible for an incumbent Senator or Governor to begin campaign season and gain less than 4% in vote share from an early approval rating. Winning the electoral votes of a State is much like running a Gubernatorial or Senatorial election... except that the Presidential nominee knows well enough to waste time or advertising money on States in which he has no chance (this time Oklahoma would be a prime example) or in sure things (New York is obvious this time). 

If anything, I am diluting the "add 6% rule" for values of approval above 46%. An incumbent Governor or Senator doesn't have much choice in what race to content; an incumbent President can pick and choose. Take a good look at Arizona: it has an open Senate seat. President Obama can lose the state's electoral votes yet score a huge win in the state -- if he can help the Democrat win that seat. If the President seems to be ahead in Michigan 53-47 and in a virtual tie in Ohio at 49-49, then where will he appear and where will his ad campaign buy more time?

The President is now governing; he isn't electioneering. That is for the best. We don't elect our politicians to simply run for re-election. We make public office attractive enough as the ultimate ego trip that those who do well enough want to run again. But to get re-elected they must first serve us well enough to seem to deserve re-election. There will be international crises. There will be natural disasters. There will be give-and-take with Congress.

Now for the obvious. The partisan sure-things don't decide the election.  In a two-way race, the worst performers got the following percentages of the vote:

Goldwater, 1964   38.47%
Landon, 1936        36.54%
McGovern, 1972    37.52%
Mondale,   1984    40.56%   
Hoover, 1932        39.65%
Carter, 1980         41.01%
Stevenson, 1956   41.97%

...which is probably close to partisan identification with the party at the time. Independents -- mostly moderates -- decide the election. Those are the most capricious of voters, and they care how the President responds to natural disasters and international crises, and how he relates to people like them. Take a good look at those electoral results for Presidential losers. Those are about how a partisan hack will do against President Obama. 

If you ask me why I mute the incumbency effect for the President, it is because even the most effective Presidents have a ceiling of about 62% of the popular vote. 

Dubya, arguably the worst President that anyone not extremely old could know, got re-elected. If he could be re-elected despite lying to get into a war for profit that had begun to go badly, having little legislative achievement (more than Carter, which isn't saying much) and basically a jobless recovery from the high-tech crash of 2002, then think of what President Obama can do.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Reaganfan on June 10, 2011, 10:02:30 PM


Dubya, arguably the worst President that anyone not extremely old could know, got re-elected. If he could be re-elected despite lying to get into a war for profit that had begun to go badly, having little legislative achievement (more than Carter, which isn't saying much) and basically a jobless recovery from the high-tech crash of 2002, then think of what President Obama can do.   

The comparison is deeply flawed.

George Bush had a rather strong economy with unemployment at or under 5% in 2004, especially considering the Dot-Com bubble burst and 9/11. He was also extremely popular during his first term. Even in 2003, his approval rating was at time 20+ points higher than Barack Obama's ever was. (If Obama's so unstoppable in 2011 at 57%, why did liberals think Bush was so weak in 2003 at 70%?)

There is a big difference between 5% and under unemployment and 9% unemployment. Despite all of that, and a weak Democratic nominee, the election was close. If it's 9% unemployment, high gas prices, and Barack Obama vs. a formidable Republican, it's not in the bag at all.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 11, 2011, 12:44:06 AM


Dubya, arguably the worst President that anyone not extremely old could know, got re-elected. If he could be re-elected despite lying to get into a war for profit that had begun to go badly, having little legislative achievement (more than Carter, which isn't saying much) and basically a jobless recovery from the high-tech crash of 2002, then think of what President Obama can do.   

The comparison is deeply flawed.

George Bush had a rather strong economy with unemployment at or under 5% in 2004, especially considering the Dot-Com bubble burst and 9/11. He was also extremely popular during his first term. Even in 2003, his approval rating was at time 20+ points higher than Barack Obama's ever was. (If Obama's so unstoppable in 2011 at 57%, why did liberals think Bush was so weak in 2003 at 70%?)

There is a big difference between 5% and under unemployment and 9% unemployment. Despite all of that, and a weak Democratic nominee, the election was close. If it's 9% unemployment, high gas prices, and Barack Obama vs. a formidable Republican, it's not in the bag at all.

Who will put the bell on the cat?

Who is the formidable Republican?

It would take at least another Ronald Reagan to beat President Obama.

Sure, times are tough -- but the Republicans have no workable solutions. Those 'solutions' would simply enrich elites without creating jobs.  The Republicans in Congress  are extremely unpopular -- so voting in a Republican President will seem folly to more people.

We have had the worst economic meltdown since 1929-1933. Such a meltdown precludes any quick and easy recovery.  There's just no possibility of a boom of any kind. The high gas prices have no obvious cause in politics.  Very simply, while Americans are basically replacing cars as they age, the Chinese, Indians, and Russians are putting new ones on the road. The worldwide demand for petroleum is rising, and we Americans can really do nothing about it.

Real estate has been overbuilt for at least five years. We have a glut of housing on the market. It will be ten years before there will be another housing boom.  Retailing is saturated, so don't expect any new shopping malls to pop up.  Any boom in construction is going to be on government projects like high-speed rail -- except that politicians owned by Big Oil have rejected it because it is somehow better that people pay more for and use more petroleum.   

Sure, President Obama has been less than wildly popular. But where are the usual signs of failure? A lack of legislative achievements? He got those early. Scandal? How good is your crystal ball? Military and diplomatic disasters?  Is he capricious, unreliable, or dishonest? So far...

Americans are fussier than they used to be about politics. After eight years of a disaster of a President, we shouldn't give so much leeway as we did with Dubya, who lied to get us into a costly and bungled war, who sponsored a corrupt boom that could only collapse, and who even mishandled a natural disaster. The current President is a stickler for legal formalities, procedural niceties, and historical precedents.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 11, 2011, 12:47:28 AM
Oregon (Davis, Hibbits and Midghall - Oregon Media Survey):

52% Approve
44% Disapprove

(Governor John Kitzhaber)

45% Approve
34% Disapprove

http://news.opb.org/media/uploads/pdf/2011/oregon_media_partners--annot--june.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 11, 2011, 02:04:37 AM
Oregon, 52-44 for the President in approval:

http://news.opb.org/media/uploads/pdf/2011/oregon_media_partners--annot--june.pdf


Current map:
 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  134
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   126
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 48
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  40
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  46
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   48





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  134
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   126
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 70
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  3
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but  Romney 43
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 43
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  48  









Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 11, 2011, 02:00:27 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48, +1.

Disapprove 51%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, u.

There could still be a bad sample in the sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on June 11, 2011, 05:30:20 PM
I am missing the SUSA numbers in May
for WA CA OR KS


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 12, 2011, 12:37:41 AM
I am missing the SUSA numbers in May
for WA CA OR KS

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=91754.msg2905309#msg2905309


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 12, 2011, 08:39:55 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47, -1.

Disapprove 53%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, +1.

If there is a bad sample, it should be out by tomorrow.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 12, 2011, 10:44:13 AM
NH back to green:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on June 12, 2011, 02:41:35 PM
Gallup: http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

Approve: 46% (u)
Disapprove: 44% (-1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 13, 2011, 08:59:53 AM
North Carolina, again, PPP. Approval did slip below 50%, but still positive.

Quote
North Carolina Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 49%
Disapprove...................................................... 47%
Not sure .......................................................... 4%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Herman Cain, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 48%
Herman Cain................................................... 37%
Undecided....................................................... 14%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 50%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 40%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 52%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 38%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Tim
Pawlenty, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 47%
Tim Pawlenty .................................................. 40%
Undecided....................................................... 13%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 45%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 44%
Undecided....................................................... 11%


Current map:
 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


           
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  134
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   126
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 48
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  40
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  46
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   48





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  134
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   126
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 70
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  3
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but  Romney 43
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 43
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  48  










Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 13, 2011, 09:01:22 AM
Please color NH green, thx.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 13, 2011, 09:03:51 AM

Got a new poll from New Hampshire? Nevada and Pennsylvania are probably in the same category.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 13, 2011, 09:07:03 AM

Got a new poll from New Hampshire? Nevada and Pennsylvania are probably in the same category.

Yes, 2 posts above yours in the graphic (49-44).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 13, 2011, 09:16:40 AM

Got a new poll from New Hampshire? Nevada and Pennsylvania are probably in the same category.

Yes, 2 posts above yours in the graphic (49-44).

With pleasure! Thank you!

No way can Mitt Romney win either Nevada, New Hampshire, or Pennsylvania if the President's approval is  positive -- or near or above 50% in either of those States. Arizona, Georgia, or Missouri -- maybe.


Current map:
 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  134
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   130
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 48
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  36
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  46
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   48





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  134
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   130
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 70
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  3
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but  Romney 39
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 43
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  48  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: anvi on June 13, 2011, 09:51:00 AM
Is there any raw data available for most recent state-by-state approval-disapproval numbers that can be found in one list?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 13, 2011, 10:11:53 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47, u.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, +1.

Definite erosion in Obama's numbers.  This is the first time he's hit 40 in strongly disapprove since April.

My guess is that it is economy related.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 13, 2011, 10:17:06 AM
Is there any raw data available for most recent state-by-state approval-disapproval numbers that can be found in one list?

Rasmussen used to offer plenty of statewide polling -- but not now. PPP offers the bulk. Quinnipiac University has good polling, but only on a few (but important) states. Occasionally some university or media poll comes out for a state that doesn't get polled often. SurveyUSA seems to poll the same states, but the results almost never jibe with anyone else's polls.

Gallup mostly does nationwide polls that say nothing about individual states -- except that one can leave certain things to the imagination. If the President has an approval rating of 42% nationwide, then he would probably lose a state like Michigan or Pennsylvania. If his approval is about 50%, then he wins both and has a chance to win Arizona, Georgia, and Missouri. If his approval is about 55% he wins all five aforesaid states and might pick up Kentucky and Texas.   

The map that I have, flawed as it may be, is modeled after the practices of electoralvote.com which goes into hibernation as soon as the last Senate or House seat is decided. My map probably goes into hibernation when electoralvote.com goes back into action.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on June 13, 2011, 04:05:08 PM
Obama down to 43%

http://www.zogby.com/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on June 13, 2011, 04:10:45 PM
...in a Zogby poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on June 13, 2011, 05:03:12 PM
Obama down to 43%

http://www.zogby.com/

I swear you've posted this exact message, always based on a Zogby "poll",  dozens of times.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: izixs on June 14, 2011, 01:35:55 AM
Yes, and its apt. Zogby polls are typically horrible at best.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 14, 2011, 10:20:11 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46, -1.

Disapprove 54%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, -u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.

Definite erosion in Obama's numbers, but not necessarily in free fall. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: milhouse24 on June 14, 2011, 11:39:59 AM
Well Obama and his family seem content with him being a one term president as reported by Ann Curry; and perhaps a majority of Americans as well.  I think he tried to do some big historical things like Health Care but was basically in over his head in handling the economy.  He was obviously the best choice over McCain, but I think the GOP will nominate someone like Romney who has the leadership and vision for improving the economy and employment.  Some of the reasons for failure are cyclical, but I don't think Obama's ever claimed to be an expert or leader on economic matters, his calling card was international affairs and the opposition to the Iraq War which McCain favored.  Obama's never claimed to understand blue collar life or small town America, maybe he can change his image over the next 12 months, but I don't think so. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: anvi on June 14, 2011, 05:53:26 PM
Respectfully, a few brief replies.

Presidents should be willing to make politically costly decisions if they believe these decisions are truly the right things to do.  There are actually more important things in the world than any president serving two terms.  Though president Bush '41 only served one term, he did so honorably, and I'm very glad it was him at that helm when the Cold War came to an end and Hussein invaded Kuwait.  If guaranteed issue survives in the health insurance industry in our future, I think lots of people will be glad Obama was there to insist on it during his term in the future.

It is simply not true that Obama has never held a blue collar job and has never worked in the private sector--he has done both.  He has also devoted a significant portion of his young life to helping poor people, giving up a much higher-wage position to do so.  Find me a Republican who has done anything like that, and I promise I will listen attentively to anything they have to say.

I come from a small town and lived there till my mid-twenties, and now live in a small town again, so I do understand and, more, am a fan of small-town American people and life.  But there is a reason small-town America is small-town America; not too many Americans live in small towns.  People have to understand a hell of a lot more than small-town life in order to be effective presidents.

It may be the case that Obama is not up to the task of prompting a quick economic recovery, and his legislative record may indeed demonstrate that.  But not one single Republican in the current field is up to that task either, and their respective records demonstrate that just as well.

To borrow yet another phrase from a much better Atlas poster than myself:
The End.
 



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 14, 2011, 07:13:59 PM


It is simply not true that Obama has never held a blue collar job and has never worked in the private sector--he has done both.  He has also devoted a significant portion of his young life to helping poor people, giving up a much higher-wage position to do so.  Find me a Republican who has done anything like that, and I promise I will listen attentively to anything they have to say.



It is true that Obama never had a blue collar job, but neither did either Bush or Clinton.  Reagan's was limited to working during high school.  All had white collar jobs.

What is also true is that, of the people listed, Obama had little administrative experience, or true executive experience.

His first job out of college was working for a financial newsletter, helping disadvantaged Yuppies, and the bulk of his professional life, was as an elected official, or a law school instructor, the latter being the the longest private sector position he held (12 years). 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: anvi on June 14, 2011, 07:35:26 PM
In the late 70's, during high school, Obama worked for Baskin Robins, then as a deli clerk.  In 1980, when he started attending college, he worked as a gift shop sales clerk, then one summer was a construction worker on the Upper West Side of New York, after which he spent some time working for a private company that processed health records for policemen.  During his late college years in the early '80's, he worked as a telemarketer.  From 1983-84, after graduating, he was a research associate for Business International Corporation in New York, after which he briefly worked for a non-profit and then became a community organizer.  Following that, during and after law school, Obama's law and teaching careers began before he was elected to the Illinois State Senate.  Pretty regular jobs for a high school and college student and then graduate, but jobs, blue collar and white collar, nonetheless.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/apr/15/joe-scarborough/heres-scoop-obama-has-worked-ice-cream-business-am/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 14, 2011, 08:58:13 PM
In the late 70's, during high school, Obama worked for Baskin Robins, then as a deli clerk.  In 1980, when he started attending college, he worked as a gift shop sales clerk, then one summer was a construction worker on the Upper West Side of New York, after which he spent some time working for a private company that processed health records for policemen.  During his late college years in the early '80's, he worked as a telemarketer.  From 1983-84, after graduating, he was a research associate for Business International Corporation in New York, after which he briefly worked for a non-profit and then became a community organizer.  Following that, during and after law school, Obama's law and teaching careers began before he was elected to the Illinois State Senate.  Pretty regular jobs for a high school and college student and then graduate, but jobs, blue collar and white collar, nonetheless.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/apr/15/joe-scarborough/heres-scoop-obama-has-worked-ice-cream-business-am/

Not full time jobs and more along the lines of an after school newspaper route.  I wouldn't even classify Reagan, who did work after school, as being blue collar.

Note well that I indicated that that I was referring to "blue collar" jobs, and using the term liberally, and did not say that he didn't hold a private sector job.


It is true that Obama never had a blue collar job, but neither did either Bush or Clinton.  Reagan's was limited to working during high school.  All had white collar jobs.

I also noted, correctly, that the longest private sector job he held was a college instructor.

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His first job out of college was working for a financial newsletter, helping disadvantaged Yuppies, and the bulk of his professional life, was as an elected official, or a law school instructor, the latter being the the longest private sector position he held (12 years). 

That certainly is not unusual, but it is fundamentally dishonest to say that Obama (or Reagan, Clinton, or the Bushes) were blue collar.  I would not class myself as blue collar either.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 14, 2011, 09:20:18 PM
Respectfully, a few brief replies.

Presidents should be willing to make politically costly decisions if they believe these decisions are truly the right things to do.  There are actually more important things in the world than any president serving two terms.  Though president Bush '41 only served one term, he did so honorably, and I'm very glad it was him at that helm when the Cold War came to an end and Hussein invaded Kuwait.  If guaranteed issue survives in the health insurance industry in our future, I think lots of people will be glad Obama was there to insist on it during his term in the future.

There is more -- much more. If Barack Obama should be a one-term President, he will have achieved more in two years than some Presidents have achieved in two full terms.  Much credit would have to be shared with the 111th Congress, but that is fair. If he should be a one-term President it will be for reasons vastly different from those of Taft (ill-suited for the Presidency), Hoover (came in just as an economic meltdown was about to begin and did just about everything wrong), Ford (had no idea of how to campaign for the Presidency), Carter (few legislative achievements), or the elder Bush (had no idea of what to do in a Second Term).

Not all of the Obama agenda can be undone.

  
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It is simply not true that Obama has never held a blue collar job and has never worked in the private sector--he has done both.  He has also devoted a significant portion of his young life to helping poor people, giving up a much higher-wage position to do so.  Find me a Republican who has done anything like that, and I promise I will listen attentively to anything they have to say.

Military life wasn't exactly lucrative (Eisenhower), and Hoover at the least put much effort into relief of hunger in Europe (although after he had made a fortune in the mining industry). But any 'communication' with them will have to be one-sided, as those two have been dead since the 1960s.  

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I come from a small town and lived there till my mid-twenties, and now live in a small town again, so I do understand and, more, am a fan of small-town American people and life.  But there is a reason small-town America is small-town America; not too many Americans live in small towns.  People have to understand a hell of a lot more than small-town life in order to be effective presidents.

President Barack Obama does not understand small-town life. But he does understand life in Urban America and Suburban America -- where the people are.  He understands Suburbia as Republicans don't any more. It is not enough for Republicans to expect people to vote as their bosses suggest because in this economic climate, people have good cause not to trust their bosses. Tax cuts and regulatory relief are no longer enough to induce moderates to vote for the Hard Right.

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It may be the case that Obama is not up to the task of prompting a quick economic recovery, and his legislative record may indeed demonstrate that.  But not one single Republican in the current field is up to that task either, and their respective records demonstrate that just as well.

Short of a massive tax-and-spend program that can effectively stimulate the economy through big public-works projects, nobody is up to the task of inducing a quick economic recovery. The Republicans seem to act as if the way to get economic growth is through lower wages, tax cuts for the super-rich, permissive treatment of environmental damage and workplace safety, and of course corporate power over employees that easily translates to abject fear.

Beyond any question it is possible to get quick growth with starvation wages and 60-70 hour workweeks as in China about 30 years ago, but that would imply that things have gone very bad from very good conditions. I can't see many people liking that, and the only way in which many Americans would tolerate that is if they had suddenly been reduced to such poverty in the aftermath of a nuclear war.  



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 14, 2011, 09:26:34 PM
I frankly doubt that Obama, or anyone else on this board, really understands Urban America.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 14, 2011, 09:30:19 PM
That's cool, but you also believe the Bradley Effect is a real thing, so I don't know how much worth I place in your assessment, especially considering that Obama has spent most of his life living and working in urban America.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 14, 2011, 09:58:23 PM
That's cool, but you also believe the Bradley Effect is a real thing, so I don't know how much worth I place in your assessment, especially considering that Obama has spent most of his life living and working in urban America.

Not in the urban America I live in; most of the folks here don't grand mommies that are bank vice presidents, a daddy with an advanced degree from Harvard, a mommy with a doctorate (okay, a silly one), or a step daddy that was an oil company executive... you get the point.

Now Michelle Obama is different.

In all honestly, rural America is a lot like urban America.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on June 14, 2011, 10:24:08 PM
This really is stupid reasoning... but it won't stop it coming.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: anvi on June 14, 2011, 10:28:59 PM
Not in the urban America I live in; most of the folks here don't grand mommies that are bank vice presidents, a daddy with an advanced degree from Harvard, a mommy with a doctorate (okay, a silly one), or a step daddy that was an oil company executive... you get the point.

Obama's grandmother, a housewife when Obama moved in with them, took a job at the bank in Honolulu when Obama was in his mid-to-late teens because her husband was a busted insurance salesman, and worked her way to the vice-presidency of the bank later, something which you obviously begrudge.  Obama got nothing from his father but letters and a short visit when he was a boy.  Obama's mother married Soetero when he was still a student and when Obama was 6, and by the time he started working for an oil company, she left him and sent Obama to his grandparents when he was ten, so he didn't get much from that either.  I don't know what label I would give Obama in terms of class, but what's "fundamentally dishonest" is implying, as you do with the misleading characterization you spew above, that he was born in the lap of luxury.

But, whatever.  Obfuscating things is obviously your specialty, so I will let you go back to what you're good at, the daily reproduction of poll numbers.        


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 14, 2011, 11:45:13 PM
Not in the urban America I live in; most of the folks here don't grand mommies that are bank vice presidents, a daddy with an advanced degree from Harvard, a mommy with a doctorate (okay, a silly one), or a step daddy that was an oil company executive... you get the point.

Obama's grandmother, a housewife when Obama moved in with them, took a job at the bank in Honolulu when Obama was in his mid-to-late teens because her husband was a busted insurance salesman, and worked her way to the vice-presidency of the bank later, something which you obviously begrudge.

She became the bank vice president in 1970, after being with the bank for ten years.  I don't "begrudge" it. I just think we should be honest about it. This was not some "poor fatherless kid" but someone growing up in upper middle class household.  Obama's "mid to late teens" would 4-5 years after she had the position.

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 Obama got nothing from his father but letters and a short visit when he was a boy.  Obama's mother married Soetero when he was still a student and when Obama was 6, and by the time he started working for an oil company, she left him and sent Obama to his grandparents when he was ten, so he didn't get much from that either.  I don't know what label I would give Obama in terms of class, but what's "fundamentally dishonest" is implying, as you do with the misleading characterization you spew above, that he was born in the lap of luxury.

Try meeting him at age two; they were married in 1965, several years later.  While he worked in Indonesia, Obama's mother completed her degree.  In the first years in Indonesia, they both worked (just like Bill Gates' parents).

As someone who went to a 99% white public high school in a rural area at the same time as Obama, I can tell you that he was a much more prosperous 99% if not 100% of the people I was with.  In terms of my current urban neighborhood, his upbringing was more prosperous that that of anyone on my street.

Now, I certainly have not suggested that this is the "lap of luxury" but it certainly was never blue collar; his family was not poor.  He was not in a position where he could expect to live off his trust fund or where he could just wait to inherit and never have to worry about money again.  He certainly wasn't from a poor family either.  It is fundamentally dishonest to suggest otherwise. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 15, 2011, 12:26:56 AM
PPP/DailyKos/SEIU Weekly Poll:

49% Approve
49% Disapprove

51% Favorable
45% Unfavorable

Public Policy Polling, 1000 Registered Voters, MoE 3.1%, June 9, 2011 - June 12, 2011

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/6/9


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on June 15, 2011, 07:58:58 AM
Not in the urban America I live in; most of the folks here don't grand mommies that are bank vice presidents, a daddy with an advanced degree from Harvard, a mommy with a doctorate (okay, a silly one), or a step daddy that was an oil company executive... you get the point.

Obama's grandmother, a housewife when Obama moved in with them, took a job at the bank in Honolulu when Obama was in his mid-to-late teens because her husband was a busted insurance salesman, and worked her way to the vice-presidency of the bank later, something which you obviously begrudge.  Obama got nothing from his father but letters and a short visit when he was a boy.  Obama's mother married Soetero when he was still a student and when Obama was 6, and by the time he started working for an oil company, she left him and sent Obama to his grandparents when he was ten, so he didn't get much from that either.  I don't know what label I would give Obama in terms of class, but what's "fundamentally dishonest" is implying, as you do with the misleading characterization you spew above, that he was born in the lap of luxury.

But, whatever.  Obfuscating things is obviously your specialty, so I will let you go back to what you're good at, the daily reproduction of poll numbers.        


^^^^ this. I generally try to avoid "me too" posts (well, try to at least :P), but your premise has crossed the line from silly to fantasy, J.J. Mock Obama's background as a community organizer vs. being a high-powered hedge fund manager as which is better background for being president and "helping" your "urban America", but give credit where reality dictates credit is due re: Obama's background and training.

For crissakes, dude, what would it take for you to say Obama is familiar with urban American? Getting beat in to the Rolling 60's Bloods?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 15, 2011, 08:49:19 AM


^^^^ this. I generally try to avoid "me too" posts (well, try to at least :P), but your premise has crossed the line from silly to fantasy, J.J. Mock Obama's background as a community organizer vs. being a high-powered hedge fund manager as which is better background for being president and "helping" your "urban America", but give credit where reality dictates credit is due re: Obama's background and training.

For crissakes, dude, what would it take for you to say Obama is familiar with urban American? Getting beat in to the Rolling 60's Bloods?

I don't "mock" his being an organizer, and noted, a., his first job (which I actually think is kind of impressive as a first job) and b., his longest held position.  If you would read my posts, you would note that I didn't mention community organizer until now.

As for his background as part of of "urban America," no, not even close.  Now, I can say the same for every post World War Two President.  Likewise, Obama was never blue collar nor was background "working class," nor was he "living in the lap of luxury."  His background was upper middle class, not as low as some presidents, nor as high as others.  I just think we should be honest about it.

Is he out of touch?  Possibly, but that isn't the question I'm addressing.  Is he part of the the urban black middle to lower middle class experience in America?  No, but neither was anyone else that was president (call me when Deval Patrick gets the job).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 15, 2011, 08:58:44 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47, +1.

Disapprove 53%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.

A slight loss in the past week.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 15, 2011, 10:16:52 AM
Places Obama has lived:

Honolulu (Age 0-6)
Jakarta (6-10)
Honolulu (10-18)
Los Angeles (18-20)
New York City (20-24)
Chicago (24-27)
Cambridge, w/ Chicago in the summers (27-30)
Chicago (30-48)
Washington (48-present)

Cambridge isn't urban, I guess you can argue Honolulu isn't urban enough, but everywhere else on that list is clearly and unarguably urban. Most of those cities, actually, are more populated and more densely populated than the city you live in.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 15, 2011, 10:21:04 AM
Quinnipiac, Pennsylvania:

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In possible presidential election matchups, President Obama tops Romney 47 - 40 percent and leads Santorum 49 - 38 percent. Independent voters back Obama, 41 - 37 percent over Romney and 46 - 35 percent over Santorum.

Obama gets a split 48 - 48 percent job approval rating in Pennsylvania, compared to a negative 42 - 53 percent April 28, his lowest Quinnipiac University poll number in the Keystone State. Independent voters split 48 - 47 percent, compared to a negative 37 - 57 percent April 28th.

Voters say 48 - 46 percent that Obama deserves to be reelected, also up from a negative 42 - 52 percent. Again, independent voters go from a negative 37 - 56 percent April 28 to a slightly negative 46 - 49 percent today.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1327.xml?ReleaseID=1611

About two months ago, President Obama could have been projected to lose Pennsylvania against Romney but win against anyone else. That is over. Although approval of the president matches disapproval, the President now leads Romney in a likely matchup for now by a 7-point margin. Such is consistent with the usual built-in advantage for an incumbent of roughly 6%. It would take an extremely strong challenger to defeat President Obama in Pennsylvania, and this is with the Republicans making significant inroads into popularity in the state.

The President will have to do some campaigning in the Keystone State, but it looks as if he would win by just less than he did in 2008. I can now project that the President would win re-election with about the same number of electoral votes as he won in 2008, basically winning every state that he won in 2008 except perhaps Indiana (which I cautiously pick to be a GOP pickup in the absence of polling because of the prior voting of the state) and Nevada (although the April poll is likely obsolete, in view of polls in New Hampshire and Pennsylvania). The President picks up Georgia, though, and seems to have about an even shot at winning Arizona, Missouri, and South Carolina.  This is against Mitt Romney. Against a weaker nominee the President wins a  landslide in electoral and probably popular votes by picking up Arizona, Missouri, South Carolina, and likely more. I of course assume that the President holds onto Delaware, Illinois, and Vermont.

Quinnipiac, Connecticut.

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Connecticut voters approve 53 - 44 percent of the job President Barack Obama is doing, up slightly from 49 - 47 percent in a March 8, 2011, Quinnipiac University poll. President Obama deserves reelection, voters say 51 - 43 percent, and they would vote for Obama 46 - 35 percent over an unnamed Republican in 2012.


http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1296.xml?ReleaseID=1612

More solid than in March.
  



Current map:
 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  141
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   130
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 68
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  36
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  26
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   48





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  141
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   123
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 90
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  3
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but  Romney 19
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 43
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  48  



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 15, 2011, 10:58:55 AM
Places Obama has lived:

Honolulu (Age 0-6)
Jakarta (6-10)
Honolulu (10-18)
Los Angeles (18-20)
New York City (20-24)
Chicago (24-27)
Cambridge, w/ Chicago in the summers (27-30)
Chicago (30-48)
Washington (48-present)

Cambridge isn't urban, I guess you can argue Honolulu isn't urban enough, but everywhere else on that list is clearly and unarguably urban. Most of those cities, actually, are more populated and more densely populated than the city you live in.

Jakarta certainly isn't an American urban center, and living in the White House or a Harvard certainly is not living in North Philly.  ::) 

As I've said, unlike others I have mentioned, he never was part of the urban experience (neither was GWB's living in Austin, or RWR's living in the Greater LA area (possibly in LA)).

I'm not being critical of it, but let's be honest about it.  Obama wasn't from the most advantaged background of any post WW II president, but he wasn't the least advantaged either.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 15, 2011, 11:01:01 AM
How the f is living in LA, NYC and Chicago from age 18-48 not "part of the urban experience"?! You realize those are the three most populous urban centers in the country right?!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 15, 2011, 11:21:48 AM
How the f is living in LA, NYC and Chicago from age 18-48 not "part of the urban experience"?! You realize those are the three most populous urban centers in the country right?!

Simple, when I refer to urban in regard to class, I'm referring to a generally working class or poor neighborhood, usually with a concentration of one or two ethnic groups (but excluding WASP's), but not necessarily black. 

By your definition, Beverly Hills is urban, and Ronald Reagan lived in the 'hood.  If you want to someone who is urban in background, look at Deval Patrick (or Michelle Obama), or even Marco Rubio.

There is nothing wrong with having an urban (or upper middle class) background, but let's be honest about it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 15, 2011, 11:30:29 AM
So only people who live in the ghetto know what life in urban America is like. Okay bro, cool.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 15, 2011, 11:33:07 AM
So only people who live in the ghetto know what life in urban America is like. Okay bro, cool.

The others tend to be Yuppies. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 15, 2011, 11:35:19 AM
Places Obama has lived:

Honolulu (Age 0-6)
Jakarta (6-10)
Honolulu (10-18)
Los Angeles (18-20)
New York City (20-24)
Chicago (24-27)
Cambridge, w/ Chicago in the summers (27-30)
Chicago (30-48)
Washington (48-present)

Cambridge isn't urban, I guess you can argue Honolulu isn't urban enough, but everywhere else on that list is clearly and unarguably urban. Most of those cities, actually, are more populated and more densely populated than the city you live in.

Jakarta certainly isn't an American urban center, and living in the White House or a Harvard certainly is not living in North Philly.  ::)  

As I've said, unlike others I have mentioned, he never was part of the urban experience (neither was GWB's living in Austin, or RWR's living in the Greater LA area (possibly in LA)).

I'm not being critical of it, but let's be honest about it.  Obama wasn't from the most advantaged background of any post WW II president, but he wasn't the least advantaged either.

Cambridge, Massachusetts  is at least suburban.

What Presidents were more or less advantaged than Obama... beginning with FDR?

 1. FDR. Patrician, would be an aristocrat if America recognized aristocracy.

 2. Truman. Almost a proletarian childhood.

 3. Eisenhower. Proletarian childhood (father was a rail hand).

 4. JFK. As advantaged as one could be for a Roman Catholic.

 5. LBJ. Solidly middle-class.

 6. Nixon. Barely middle-class

 7. Ford. Upper-middle.

 8. Carter. Nearly aristocratic. Southern aristocrats are like that.

 9. Reagan. Shaky middle-class.

10. George Herbert Walker Bush.  Every advantage in childhood, much like FDR

11. Clinton. Middle-class by Arkansas standards.

12. George W. Bush. See Daddy.

13. Obama. Fits Paul Fussell's "Category X"... all over the map.  

I'm sure that some white people checked to see that their car doors were locked when they saw him.  

Oh, by the way, a huge correction -- Occidental University is not in greater Los Angeles; it is in Stockton, California.  Stockton is best described as the "New Haven of California" -- a very raw city with a well-respected university. Stockton is much closer (about 90 miles) from San Francisco and about 350 miles from Los Angeles.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 15, 2011, 11:38:53 AM
So only people who live in the ghetto know what life in urban America is like. Okay bro, cool.

The others tend to be Yuppies. 

Right, and those people aren't real American city dwellers so their experiences don't count. Got it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on June 15, 2011, 12:11:13 PM
Technically, Barack Obama lived in Somerville, MA. At precisely this address (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=365+Broadway,+Somerville+MA&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x89e370d4e0fb452b:0xfb8a88d498829420,365+Broadway,+Somerville,+MA+02145&gl=us&ei=Zuf4TfrrEsrz0gGdoaWUCw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQ8gEwAA).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 15, 2011, 12:33:36 PM
Connecticut (Quinnipiac):

53% Approve
44% Disapprove

President Obama deserves reelection, voters say 51 - 43 percent, and they would vote for Obama 46 - 35 percent over an unnamed Republican in 2012.

From June 8 - 13, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,311 registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.7 percentage points. Live interviewers call landlines and cell phones.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1296.xml?ReleaseID=1612


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 15, 2011, 12:50:19 PM
I wish that Quinnipiac would "do" Indiana some time. That state has about the most mysterious politics.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 15, 2011, 12:57:26 PM
I wish that Quinnipiac would "do" Indiana some time. That state has about the most mysterious politics.

Quinnipiac only polls CT, FL, NJ, NY, OH and PA and some swing states a few months before the election.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: milhouse24 on June 15, 2011, 02:49:20 PM
It seems interesting that Obama is resigned to the fact that he might lose in 2012, I suppose that hope and optimism is gone, replaced by realism.  That can be expected from someone who never governed a large entity or served in any executive capacity.  He tried to be Reagan without the management experience.  I wonder if the "enthusiasm gap" has trickled down to his supporters, it certainly seems the enthusiasm gap is missing from his closest family members, his wife and children - if they don't want him to be president, how can the rest of the country want him to be president.  I really think unless the GOP nominates a geriatric, they will win in a Landslide, similar to the reverse of 2008.  The issues have changed from foreign policy to domestic policy. 

As for Obama's upbringing or perspective, he has to win the votes of the suburban white blue collar man and woman.  These are factory workers, truckers, middle class voters who don't want big govt, don't want high taxes, and want a president who feels their pain, sort of like Bill Clinton and ranch cowboy Dubya Bush.  That's the dichotomy between urban life and suburban life, and sometimes its along racial lines, but Obama needs to over come that to win re-election.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 15, 2011, 03:28:39 PM
It seems interesting that Obama is resigned to the fact that he might lose in 2012, I suppose that hope and optimism is gone, replaced by realism.  That can be expected from someone who never governed a large entity or served in any executive capacity.  He tried to be Reagan without the management experience.  I wonder if the "enthusiasm gap" has trickled down to his supporters, it certainly seems the enthusiasm gap is missing from his closest family members, his wife and children - if they don't want him to be president, how can the rest of the country want him to be president.  I really think unless the GOP nominates a geriatric, they will win in a Landslide, similar to the reverse of 2008.  The issues have changed from foreign policy to domestic policy. 

He now has that management experience, having done about the biggest managerial job that there is. GOP landslide? You must have been looking at the color scheme and misreading it. Enthusiasm gap? The campaign has yet  to start.

It's the Republicans who are enduring the enthusiasm gap. It is going to hurt them badly.

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As for Obama's upbringing or perspective, he has to win the votes of the suburban white blue collar man and woman.  These are factory workers, truckers, middle class voters who don't want big govt, don't want high taxes, and want a president who feels their pain, sort of like Bill Clinton and ranch cowboy Dubya Bush.  That's the dichotomy between urban life and suburban life, and sometimes its along racial lines, but Obama needs to over come that to win re-election.


Dubya feels their pain? I am laughing so hard that I could vomit. People want better lives, and they don't care whether they get it through "big government". Big Business has failed them badly, as have its stooges in the Reactionary Party. High gas prices (and that hurts everyone not invested in or working in oil) have not resulted from any legislation but instead through the behavior of free-market speculators. No legislation can stop speculators from cornering the market -- and if anything, those speculators have good friends in the GOP.

Nobody likes high taxes. But they don't want the consequences of failed government -- poor public services or the privatization of public services from a public trust into a monopolistic gouge, either. Sure, President Obama does not relate well to blue-collar white workers, as shown in 2008. But he won without them in 2008 and can obviously win again as the polls now show that he can.

He is not the new Bill Clinton; he can't be. He's not from the culture that Bill Clinton came from.  He is far better than Dubya, that "ranch cowboy" who certainly treated the common man like cattle.

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 15, 2011, 03:36:02 PM
North Carolina (Civitas):

51% Approve
46% Disapprove

http://www.nccivitas.org/2011/may-2011-poll-results


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 15, 2011, 05:25:29 PM
It seems interesting that Obama is resigned to the fact that he might lose in 2012, I suppose that hope and optimism is gone, replaced by realism. 

While the optimism might have replaced by realism, and lower poll numbers, I have not seen Obama being resigned to losing in 2012.  I think it is still wide open.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on June 15, 2011, 06:33:55 PM
Obama at 43%

http://media.economist.com/images/pdf/Toplines20110615.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 16, 2011, 12:27:14 AM
WSJ/NBC Poll:

49% Approve
46% Disapprove

Link (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/A_Politics/_Today_Stories_Teases/11236%20JUNE%20NBC-WSJ%20Final%20Filled-in.pdf)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 16, 2011, 01:01:13 AM
Obama at 43%

http://media.economist.com/images/pdf/Toplines20110615.pdf

But he would still beat all Republican challengers.

The Republicans are doing practically nothing to satisfy voters other than the base.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on June 16, 2011, 01:55:29 AM
What has to be pretty scary for moderate GOPers (all 12 of them :P) is that in order to win their primary - the candidates have to run so far to the right on economic and social issues that you have to wonder how on EARTH?! they manage to pull that back to present a case that appeals to those groups who the GOP actually needs to win... women? latinos? Independents?

Which is why people can say "I'm not happy with the way Obama has performed so far... but then they look at the GOP options and think... "yeah, Obama's not that bad"...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 16, 2011, 09:37:00 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, -2.

Disapprove 54%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +2.

Erosion, and it is the strongly disapprove numbers that are showing the most change.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: milhouse24 on June 16, 2011, 11:27:11 AM
It seems interesting that Obama is resigned to the fact that he might lose in 2012, I suppose that hope and optimism is gone, replaced by realism. 

While the optimism might have replaced by realism, and lower poll numbers, I have not seen Obama being resigned to losing in 2012.  I think it is still wide open.

I think Obama has mentally checked out, he said his wife and children are happy with only 1 term.  Unless he starts smoking again maybe he'll exhibit more energy on the campaign trail. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on June 16, 2011, 01:31:47 PM
It seems interesting that Obama is resigned to the fact that he might lose in 2012, I suppose that hope and optimism is gone, replaced by realism. 

While the optimism might have replaced by realism, and lower poll numbers, I have not seen Obama being resigned to losing in 2012.  I think it is still wide open.

I think Obama has mentally checked out, he said his wife and children are happy with only 1 term.  Unless he starts smoking again maybe he'll exhibit more energy on the campaign trail. 

u mad


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on June 16, 2011, 03:39:24 PM
Obama down 5 to generic Republican in Gallup

http://www.gallup.com/poll/148076/2012-Voter-Preferences-Obama-Republican-Remain-Close.aspx

Though they do point out polls from June of the year before elections generally don't have good predicting values for the eventual result.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 16, 2011, 04:07:59 PM
It seems interesting that Obama is resigned to the fact that he might lose in 2012, I suppose that hope and optimism is gone, replaced by realism. 

While the optimism might have replaced by realism, and lower poll numbers, I have not seen Obama being resigned to losing in 2012.  I think it is still wide open.

I think Obama has mentally checked out, he said his wife and children are happy with only 1 term.  Unless he starts smoking again maybe he'll exhibit more energy on the campaign trail. 

You say more about yourself than about the President. Such is projection.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 16, 2011, 04:17:14 PM
PPP will be polling Florida and Montana next week. Florida is of course about as definitive a swing state as there is, and Montana is just simply intriguing.

Michigan, anyone?

How about either a Deep South (Alabama just about suggests itself) or Upper South (Kentucky or Tennessee) next time?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on June 16, 2011, 04:32:12 PM
How about either a Deep South (Alabama just about suggests itself) or Upper South (Kentucky or Tennessee) next time?
How about Pennsylvania next time?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on June 16, 2011, 05:09:54 PM
IN and OR would be interesting too


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 16, 2011, 06:04:51 PM
How about either a Deep South (Alabama just about suggests itself) or Upper South (Kentucky or Tennessee) next time?
How about Pennsylvania next time?

Quinnipiac polled Pennsylvania and showed that the state no longer looks as if it is slipping away from the President.  Oregon was polled recently, too.

Indiana would be the gem of states for polling. I'd like to know  whether Mitch Daniels has the same problems in maintaining approval that governors of Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin have in gaining it. In view of all the talk that some posters have on Mitch Daniels as a potential President... whether he would win his 'own' state like John Thune or Jim DeMint, or whether he would lose 'his' state like Michelle Bachmann or Tim Pawlenty. I'd like to know whether Senator Lugar faces and is up to a primary challenge by Tea Party types. Above all, I would like to know whether my cautious estimate that 2008 was a freakish scenario in which everything went wrong for the Republican Party -- once -- or whether Indiana is simply the last state in the northeastern quadrant of the United States  to go from Republican to Democratic.   

But -- Indiana bans the robot polls that PPP and Rasmussen use.  Polls of Indiana were rare in 2008, and the last poll that anyone had of Indiana was in the autumn of 2010. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 16, 2011, 08:47:29 PM
How about either a Deep South (Alabama just about suggests itself) or Upper South (Kentucky or Tennessee) next time?
How about Pennsylvania next time?

Quinnipiac polled Pennsylvania and showed that the state no longer looks as if it is slipping away from the President. 

I think it showed it was close.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 16, 2011, 11:09:58 PM
This will be posted, if at all, with the letter "S" as in "suspect". It likely overrates approvals for both Governor Rick Perry and President Barack Obama, and it is slow to be released.

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Likely voters in Texas approve of President Barack Obama almost as much as they approve of Gov. Rick Perry, according to the third and final release of poll results from the Texas Lyceum, a nonprofit, nonpartisan group of civic leaders.

Since October, when the last Lyceum survey was conducted, Perry's approval rating has remained steady at 54 percent, while Obama's has increased from 47 to 51 percent. Even though Obama's handling of the national economy specifically — which is the top concern of Texans, according to Tuesday's findings — dropped to 46 percent, this percentage was eight points lower in October, at 38 percent. University of Texas Professor Daron Shaw, who conducted the poll with the assistance of University of Texas at San Antonio Professor Amy Jasperson, said the timing of the poll might be why Obama scored so high among likely voters. Taken between May 24 and May 31, the poll came three weeks after Navy SEALs killed Osama bin Laden, which "undoubtedly increased" likely voters' support of the president.

Less popular with likely voters is the Texas Legislature, which they rated 12 points higher in October. Forty-nine percent are OK with the job the Texas Legislature is doing; 46 percent are not happy.

I don't really trust any poll involving Texas.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 16, 2011, 11:42:50 PM
How about either a Deep South (Alabama just about suggests itself) or Upper South (Kentucky or Tennessee) next time?
How about Pennsylvania next time?

Quinnipiac polled Pennsylvania and showed that the state no longer looks as if it is slipping away from the President. 

I think it showed it was close.

It was as close as it could get -- dead even at 48%. But that is before any campaigning, and we all know what an effective campaigner President Obama is and how good a campaign apparatus he had in 2008 -- probably enough to add about 6% to the pre-campaign approval rating to get to the likely vote share.

He would probably win about 54% of the popular vote in Pennsylvania, which is close to what he won in 2008 -- close enough that few would know the difference.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 16, 2011, 11:59:57 PM
The range of polling results for Texas is... well, as big as Texas. I may have a Texas-sized whopper here. I'll show the results of the Texas Lyceum poll and then what I really think of its reliability. Basically Texas goes from the sure thing for Republicans to "Nobody really knows".

Texas, if close, implies that President Obama has about a Clinton-scale landslide if he loses the state and about an Eisenhower-scale landslide if he wins it.  Such is the meaning of 38 electoral votes.

Current map:
 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  141
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   130
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 68
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  63
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  26
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   10





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  141
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   123
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 90
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  41
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  10
Obama wins against all but  Romney 19
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 43
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  10  



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 17, 2011, 12:18:10 AM
Indeed, the new TX Lyceum Poll has Obama above 50%, but the question wording is not really "Approve/Disapprove". It asks:

How well do you think Barack Obama is handling his job as president? Is he doing a very good job, somewhat good job, somewhat poor job, or very poor job?

51% Very Good/Somewhat Good
48% Very Poor/Somewhat Poor

From May 24 through May 31, 2011, The Texas Lyceum conducted a statewide telephone survey. The survey utilized a stratified probability sample design, with respondents being randomly selected at the level of the household. On average, respondents completed the interview in 17 minutes. Approximately 5,000 records were drawn to yield 707 completed interviews.

The final data set is weighted by race/ethnicity, age and gender to achieve representativeness. The margin of error for the poll is +/- 3.69 percentage points.
Some numbers and analysis were produced with a screen for likely voters.

Voters were deemed “likely” if they indicated that they were registered to vote, indicated that they were “somewhat” or “extremely” interested in politics, and indicated that they had voted in “almost every” or “every” election in the last 2-3 years. This screen produced 303 likely voters, 43% of the full sample and 77% of registered voters. The margin of error for the survey of likely voters is +/- 5.63 percentage points.

Link (http://www.texaslyceum.org/media/staticContent/PubCon_Journals/2011/2011_Texas_Lyceum_Poll_Press_Release_on_Job_Approval_Numbers_and_2012_Matchups.pdf)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 17, 2011, 10:28:04 PM
It seems interesting that Obama is resigned to the fact that he might lose in 2012, I suppose that hope and optimism is gone, replaced by realism. 

While the optimism might have replaced by realism, and lower poll numbers, I have not seen Obama being resigned to losing in 2012.  I think it is still wide open.

I think Obama has mentally checked out, he said his wife and children are happy with only 1 term.  Unless he starts smoking again maybe he'll exhibit more energy on the campaign trail. 

You say more about yourself than about the President. Such is projection.

Why did you attribute that quote to me, since I called the race wide open and doubt that Obama is resigned to anything at this point?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 17, 2011, 10:30:38 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46, +1.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 17, 2011, 11:58:28 PM
It seems interesting that Obama is resigned to the fact that he might lose in 2012, I suppose that hope and optimism is gone, replaced by realism. 

While the optimism might have replaced by realism, and lower poll numbers, I have not seen Obama being resigned to losing in 2012.  I think it is still wide open.

I think Obama has mentally checked out, he said his wife and children are happy with only 1 term.  Unless he starts smoking again maybe he'll exhibit more energy on the campaign trail. 

You say more about yourself than about the President. Such is projection.

Why did you attribute that quote to me, since I called the race wide open and doubt that Obama is resigned to anything at this point?

It is to milhouse. Ordinarily it is the last statement that is the kicker.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Professor on June 18, 2011, 04:23:23 PM
J.J., obsessing over the Rasmussen Obama approval ratings will not help you with the ladies. You do want the ladies, do you not?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 18, 2011, 06:08:54 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, -1.

Disapprove 55%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

If this holds, it could indicate some major erosion in Obama's numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 18, 2011, 06:13:08 PM
J.J., obsessing over the Rasmussen Obama approval ratings will not help you with the ladies. You do want the ladies, do you not?

If I wanted help with the "ladies" I wouldn't be posting here (though I am the only poster that ever corresponded with Deborah Palfrey).

Actually, the Rasmussen numbers have tended to be better than Gallup in election years and tend to be much more stable than Gallup.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 19, 2011, 02:44:44 AM
Tennessee (Vanderbilt):

44% Approve
50% Disapprove

With 700 respondents to the Vanderbilt Poll, the margin of error for the poll is +/- 3.7 %.

The poll was conducted by calling a random sample of landline telephone numbers over a period of six days – from June 3 through June 8.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20110619/NEWS/306190050/Obama-holds-lead-over-GOP-hopefuls-Tennessee


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 19, 2011, 04:56:15 AM
Tennessee (Vanderbilt):

44% Approve
50% Disapprove

With 700 respondents to the Vanderbilt Poll, the margin of error for the poll is +/- 3.7 %.

The poll was conducted by calling a random sample of landline telephone numbers over a period of six days – from June 3 through June 8.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20110619/NEWS/306190050/Obama-holds-lead-over-GOP-hopefuls-Tennessee



Quote
37.0% Obama
34.7% Romney

36.7% Obama
28.1% Pawlenty

38.1% Obama
26.8% Bachmann

38.3% Obama
26.0% Gingrich

42.5% Obama
29.0% Palin

...

June Poll

With 700 respondents to the Vanderbilt Poll, the margin of error for the poll is +/- 3.7 %.

The poll was conducted by calling a random sample of landline telephone numbers over a period of six days – from June 3 through June 8.

...

http://www.tennessean.com/assets/pdf/DN175806619.PDF

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20110619/NEWS/306190050/Obama-holds-lead-over-GOP-hopefuls-Tennessee

The large number of undecided in most matchups  leaves some questions unanswered. Nonetheless, all Republicans are faring badly as potential opponents to President Obama, and all Republicans except Mitt Romney would lose this state big to President Obama.  I look at these numbers and I see President Obama having a reasonably good chance of beating a fairly-strong Republican or at least someone (Huckabee would probably have fit) in tune with the culture.  But even with these numbers I at the least see President Obama faring better than Al Gore did in what was supposedly Gore's state.

This should scare Republicans: Barack Obama lost this state -- big -- in 2008. If President Obama can win Tennessee, then he has a good chance of winning over 400 electoral votes. Should President Obama win back the sorts of voters who went to Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996 but to Dubya or McCain in the Double-Zero Decade, then President Obama is on his way to an Eisenhower-scale electoral victory in popular and electoral votes.

Tennessee looked as if it offered a marginal chance for an Obama victory back in February, so this doesn't seem so off the wall as it did. Maybe the Texas Lyceum poll isn't so off-the-wall as I first thought, too. But that said, the five states that President Obama got clobbered in that Bill Clinton won twice (Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee, and West Virginia) together have about as many electoral votes as Texas.  


Current map:


 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  141
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   130
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 68
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  74
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  15
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   10





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  141
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   123
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 90
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  38
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  11
Obama wins against all but  Romney 19
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 43
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  10  




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 19, 2011, 08:17:18 AM
I'm beginning to wonder whether the Texas Lyceum poll in the Texas Tribune is as off-the-wall as I thought it was. The unsettling oddity is that the Governor still has strong approval ratings while the President does, without really-good times for Texans. Rick Perry and Barack Obama could hardly be more different.

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 19, 2011, 10:06:58 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47, +2.

Disapprove 52%, -3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -2.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 20, 2011, 08:36:16 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47, u.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 20, 2011, 12:43:49 PM
This poll should surprise nobody:

Field, California:

Quote
On the Democratic side, the latest Field Poll found that the president's approval ratings among California voters are holding steady at 54 percent, with 37 percent disapproving and 9 percent with no opinion. Among Democrats, nearly 80 percent approve of Obama, while only 17 percent of Republicans do; most independent voters, 58 percent, view him positively, the poll showed.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/06/20/MN7C1JVHTE.DTL#ixzz1Pp1cDjx5
 


Current map:


 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


           
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  141
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   130
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 68
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  74
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  15
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   10





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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)




             
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  141
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   123
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 90
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  38
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  11
Obama wins against all but  Romney 19
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 43
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  10  





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 21, 2011, 08:55:30 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47, u.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, -1.

Well, at least the erosion has stopped.  :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 21, 2011, 01:25:39 PM
Gallup, with a massive anti-Obama sample today:

45-48 (-4, +5)

ARG:

42-52

http://americanresearchgroup.com/economy

PPP:

48-48

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/6/16

New Jersey (Quinnipiac):

50-46

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1615


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 21, 2011, 04:17:45 PM
Quinnipiac, New Jersey, 50-46

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1615

PPP just released a report on Montana, but not on the Presidency.
 


Current map:


 
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)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


           
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  127
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   146
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 68
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  74
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  15
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   10





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

(
)




             
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  127
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   139
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 90
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  38
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  11
Obama wins against all but  Romney 19
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 43
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  10  






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Professor on June 21, 2011, 05:58:27 PM
J.J., obsessing over the Rasmussen Obama approval ratings will not help you with the ladies. You do want the ladies, do you not?

If I wanted help with the "ladies" I wouldn't be posting here (though I am the only poster that ever corresponded with Deborah Palfrey).

Actually, the Rasmussen numbers have tended to be better than Gallup in election years and tend to be much more stable than Gallup.

You "corresponded" with Deborah Palfrey? My students buy hookers all the time. I don't give them extra credit for that though. Unfortunately, I can't give you extra credit. But I can give you advice since I am in a position of authority. My advice is this - spending the day mashing the F5 button on rasmussenreports.com waiting for Obama's approval to change by a point or two is no way to get the ladies.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 22, 2011, 12:32:43 AM
Bloomberg/Selzer National Poll:

49% Approve
44% Disapprove

"Only 30 percent of respondents said they are certain to vote for the president and 36 percent said they definitely won’t. Among likely independent voters, only 23 percent said they will back his re-election, while 36 percent said they definitely will look for another candidate."

The poll of 1,000 adults was conducted by Selzer & Co., a Des Moines, Iowa-based firm. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-06-22/obama-gets-30-certain-to-support-re-election-in-economy-poll.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 22, 2011, 08:15:23 AM
Gallup, with a massive anti-Obama sample today:

45-48 (-4, +5)




One of the reason I'm not enamored with Gallup.  We get a lot of those.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 22, 2011, 08:38:51 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46, -1.

Disapprove 52%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on June 22, 2011, 04:37:22 PM
Obama collapse in Gallup confirmed:

43(-2)/49(+1)

http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: krazen1211 on June 22, 2011, 06:39:01 PM
Are you better off than you were 3 years ago?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/57507.html

Forty-four percent of Americans say they are worse off than they were when Obama took office, while 34 percent say they are better off, and 21 percent say they are doing about the same.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Republic on June 22, 2011, 06:41:03 PM
So roughly the same proportion of people who voted for John McCain are now claiming to be worse off under Obama?  Who'da thunk it?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: krazen1211 on June 22, 2011, 08:20:52 PM
So roughly the same proportion of people who voted for John McCain are now claiming to be worse off under Obama?  Who'da thunk it?

That's quite simplistic. Plenty of wealth republican investors are doing fine since 2009 due to market growth, while the African American community is enduring massive unemployment.

No reason to believe that 44% lines up given the facts.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on June 22, 2011, 09:52:19 PM
while the African American community is enduring massive unemployment.

Really? I'm surprised to hear that. Must be a very strange experience for them; quite a change when you consider how well they were doing before Obama won.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: krazen1211 on June 23, 2011, 10:02:38 AM
while the African American community is enduring massive unemployment.

Really? I'm surprised to hear that. Must be a very strange experience for them; quite a change when you consider how well they were doing before Obama won.

Quite a bit better than they are now, which of course was the question asked.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 23, 2011, 10:36:47 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46, u.

Disapprove 53%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 23, 2011, 10:43:56 AM
Obama collapse in Gallup confirmed:

43(-2)/49(+1)

http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx

The bad sample could still be in there and Gallup is noted for wide swings (unlike Rasmussen).  There is some erosion, but no Obama collapse at this point.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 23, 2011, 12:15:10 PM
Obama collapse in Gallup confirmed:

43(-2)/49(+1)

http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx

The bad sample could still be in there and Gallup is noted for wide swings (unlike Rasmussen).  There is some erosion, but no Obama collapse at this point.

43-50 today (nc, +1)

Meanwhile a new TIME poll has Obama at 48-46 and a new AP/GfK poll at 52-47.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 23, 2011, 12:18:54 PM
Obama collapse in Gallup confirmed:

43(-2)/49(+1)

http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx

The bad sample could still be in there and Gallup is noted for wide swings (unlike Rasmussen).  There is some erosion, but no Obama collapse at this point.

43-50 today (nc, +1)

Meanwhile a new TIME poll has Obama at 48-46.

I think Gallup is on a three day sample, so a bad sample might still be in there.

What were Obama's last Time numbers and from when?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 23, 2011, 03:06:48 PM
Quote
Oregon Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 49%
Disapprove...................................................... 45%
Not sure .......................................................... 6%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_OR_0623513.pdf

Definitely not consistent with the vote of 2008, but Oregon is the sort of state that snookers Republicans into flooding the state with political money only to turn against the money.

Current map:


 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  127
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   146
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 68
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  74
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  15
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   10





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  127
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   139
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 90
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  38
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  11
Obama wins against all but  Romney 19
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 43
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  10  







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 23, 2011, 03:08:07 PM
PPP will be polling Texas and New Mexico next week.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on June 23, 2011, 04:32:34 PM
Obama at 38% and only 41% want him re-elect

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/NewsRoom/HarrisPolls/tabid/447/ctl/ReadCustom%20Default/mid/1508/ArticleId/824/Default.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: izixs on June 23, 2011, 04:39:19 PM
Obama at 38% and only 41% want him re-elect

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/NewsRoom/HarrisPolls/tabid/447/ctl/ReadCustom%20Default/mid/1508/ArticleId/824/Default.aspx

Uck, silly approval rating scale in use there. There is no one single definition of fair that all people use in polls like this.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 23, 2011, 05:07:04 PM
Obama at 38% and only 41% want him re-elect

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/NewsRoom/HarrisPolls/tabid/447/ctl/ReadCustom%20Default/mid/1508/ArticleId/824/Default.aspx

Interactive polls are worthless.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: zorkpolitics on June 23, 2011, 08:51:42 PM
Obama falls into negative approval at RealClear for the first time since Osama was killed:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

net-.2% approval today

I expect Obama will rebound a bit with the pull out from Afghanistan and releasing oil from the strategic reserve.

If Obama falls back to a -5% or worse, like last Nov. and in April, he will be toast for reelection next year


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 24, 2011, 12:07:24 AM
Obama falls into negative approval at RealClear for the first time since Osama was killed:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

net-.2% approval today

I expect Obama will rebound a bit with the pull out from Afghanistan and releasing oil from the strategic reserve.

If Obama falls back to a -5% or worse, like last Nov. and in April, he will be toast for reelection next year

Not really, Obama could win with 40-45% approval, just like Bennet or Reid did - in the case the Republicans nominate a crazy nutter like Bachmann, Palin or Cain.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 24, 2011, 02:04:46 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46, u.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 24, 2011, 04:48:45 PM
Quote
Florida Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 48%
Disapprove...................................................... 49%
Not sure .......................................................... 3%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Michele Bachmann, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 49%
Michele Bachmann ......................................... 40%
Undecided....................................................... 12%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Herman Cain, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 48%
Herman Cain................................................... 37%
Undecided....................................................... 15%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 52%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 40%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Tim
Pawlenty, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 48%
Tim Pawlenty .................................................. 40%

Undecided....................................................... 12%
Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 47%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 43%
Undecided....................................................... 10%


Current map:


 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


           
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  127
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   146
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 68
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  74
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  15
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   10





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  127
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   139
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 90
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  38
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  11
Obama wins against all but  Romney 19
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 43
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  10  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 24, 2011, 04:58:12 PM

A few things worth noting:

1. PPP no longer recognizes Newt Gingrich as a serious candidate now that he has no campaign staff and the finances of his campaign are in shambles. The Gingrich campaign is now strictly a fantasy world. Floridians who want a fantasy can go to a Disney resort or some less-expensive place. You are going to see me remove my predictions of matchups between President Obama and the former Speaker of the House, probably so that I can introduce those for Rick Perry.

2. The President has slipped a little from May... but not enough to lose Florida. Sure, his approval falls just short of disapproval, but he would defeat any Republican nominee that anyone can now think of. "Generic Republican" will be in hibernation in the Presidential election of 2012.

3. At this stage the matchups demonstrate that it is good enough to have an approval rating in the high forties. It is the matchups that count, as a simulation against some ideal opponent is not going to appear.

4. I see one possible fault with my model: it lumps some likely results in the area of 52-54% because of some predicting smoothing. 45-47% approval result in a prediction of 51% of the vote; 50% to 52% approval results in a prediction of 54% of the vote. I predict that the President seeking re-election will not try to 'run up the score' in popular vote where he sees himself with 55% of the popular vote and won't try to 'look good losing' where he projects to lose 55% or more of the vote.

You might try to understand why I would never expect the President to transform a 60% approval into a 66% share of the popular vote; no Presidential candidate has ever won so much as 62% of the popular vote nationwide since 1900. I assume that the opposition is not in complete disarray and still has enough of a political base to contest an election. Even FDR managed to pick up 'only' 60.8% of the nationwide vote in 1936, and LBJ won 'only' 61%
of the vote in 1964, and Nixon won 61.7% of the vote in 1972.  About a third of all voters would "never vote for a Democrat" and a third would "never vote for a Republican", or at least the sorts who get the nomination from one of the factions therein.

Even if the Republicans should nominate someone from the extremist wing, then that wing will show unusual enthusiasm. The money machine will not disappear. Someone who wins the nomination has to have the strong support of at least 25% of the population. So if someone says that Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann would lose 63-30, then one predicts something without precedent.

I have to put the fade somewhere.

5. Governor Rick Scott is a political disaster in the making for the GOP in Florida. His only imaginable asset to the GOP in an effort to win the election of the Republican nominee for President is to do voter suppression. For obvious reasons, the President is not going to go along with anything that violates the Civil Rights Act of 1964 that would hurt his chances of re-election.   

Quote
Q12 Have Rick Scott’s actions as Governor made it
more or less likely that you’ll vote for a
Republican for President next year, or has it
not made a difference?

More likely....................................................... 26%
Less likely ....................................................... 40%
Hasn't made a difference ................................ 34%


The Republicans absolutely must win Florida to have a chance to win the Presidency, and we can all be sure that the Obama campaign will not allow the election to hinge upon whether the Governor or any other political operator is able to use dirty tricks to win. The Voting Rights Act of 1965 is the official standard of enforcing the 15th Amendment and some others:

Quote
Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation 

No Governor wants a federal indictment awaiting him, especially for a deed that offers him no chance of personal gain or the advancement of his political career. If it is a choice between "President Obama gets re-elected and I don't go to federal prison" or "President Obama gets re-elected and I go to a federal prison"... guess which choice even Rick Scott makes. The chance that he gets away with making a difference in Florida that wins the Presidency for the Republican is very slight.

Game theory strikes again.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 25, 2011, 08:33:04 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46, u.

Disapprove 53%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 26, 2011, 08:38:46 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48, +2.

Disapprove 51%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 27, 2011, 08:37:22 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49, +1.

Disapprove 51%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, -2.

I'm wondering if a pro Obama sample is moving through the system.

[Fixed]


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 27, 2011, 01:03:12 PM
I'm wondering if a pro Obama sample is moving through the system.

It`s actually 49-51 today.

But while Rasmussen is moving upwards, Gallup is still moving downwards to 43-49.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on June 27, 2011, 05:08:06 PM
When will Susa release the numbers for KS CA OR and WA this month??


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 27, 2011, 11:26:33 PM
When will Susa release the numbers for KS CA OR and WA this month??

They released them tonight:

CA: 48-47 (-8, +7)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c717d146-99e7-4de8-8217-9fb792fc2fb8

KS: 35-57 (-7, +3)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c9cb9d95-0451-467c-8613-efb0bf5d4a7e

OR: 38-58 (-8, +9)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=87dabdb7-5435-402e-891e-11b3bf475127

WA: 46-49 (-4, +2)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c34262fe-7152-4e56-be8d-dd7e32b0f6dd

...

Wow, SUSA is smoking something really strong these days ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 27, 2011, 11:31:07 PM
I'm wondering if a pro Obama sample is moving through the system.

It`s actually 49-51 today.

But while Rasmussen is moving upwards, Gallup is still moving downwards to 43-49.

Fixed it.  The 'bots moved earlier in the month.  This looks like stabilization.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 27, 2011, 11:39:40 PM
McClatchy-Marist Poll:

45% Approve
47% Disapprove

50% Favorable
44% Unfavorable

()

The poll of 1,003 adults, including 801 registered voters, was conducted June 15-23. The margin of error is plus or minus 3.0 percentage points for the entire sample and plus or minus 3.5 percentage points for registered voters.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/06/27/116614/voters-give-obama-lowest-rating.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CatoMinor on June 27, 2011, 11:56:09 PM
I'm wondering if a pro Obama sample is moving through the system.

It`s actually 49-51 today.

But while Rasmussen is moving upwards, Gallup is still moving downwards to 43-49.
Well Rasmussen is a hackish GOP polling firm so we can't trust these numbers, we'll have to go with gallups :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 28, 2011, 12:17:36 AM
PPP/DailyKos/SEIU weekly poll:

46% Approve
50% Disapprove

47% Favorable
48% Unfavorable

Generally speaking if there was an election today would you vote to reelect Barack Obama, or would you vote for his Republican opponent?

46% Obama
46% Republican

Public Policy Polling, 1000 Registered Voters, MoE 3.1%, June 23, 2011 - June 26, 2011

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/6/23


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 28, 2011, 12:21:07 AM
I`m wondering why RealClearPolitics does include the Democracy Corps polls all the time, but they never include the weekly PPP poll for DailyKos ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on June 28, 2011, 01:27:56 AM

Current map:


 
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)

Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

(
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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  127
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   139
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 90
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  38
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  11
Obama wins against all but  Romney 19
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 43
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  10  

[/quote]

I note that you have shaded Texas white on the basis of a suspect poll? It wasn't something I'd noticed before because I usually only look at your yellow/green polling map and make my own judgement on how that may play out electorally. The very negative (and likely suspect) poll for Oregon made me wonder if you will use those figures in your projection to show Obama losing the state, so I looked up how you've treated suspect polls previously in your prediction maps.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 28, 2011, 04:11:42 AM
I consider SurveyUSA suspect  because it rarely jibes with other polls. Soon after I have shown a SurveyUSA poll, I have almost invariably regretted doing so.

The one in Texas -- it has an oddity in that the poll shows President Obama doing unusually well in Texas, but Governor Perry also doing well. President Obama with an approval rating in excess of 50% in Texas? It is hard to believe. I wonder whether the Texas Lyceum has a bad sample. perhaps one skewed heavily Hispanic or Black.

But even if the poll is off by 6%, the poll indicates that Texas is too close to call. I err on the side of caution. Something is there.

Texas is arguably the trickiest state to poll.  I understand that PPP has polled Texas and will release results some time this week.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 28, 2011, 10:00:36 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49, u.

Disapprove 50%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 36%, -1

Pro-Obama bad sample moving through or some actual movement?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 28, 2011, 05:31:10 PM
Quote
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 43%
Disapprove...................................................... 54%
Not sure .......................................................... 3%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Michele Bachmann, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 42%
Michele Bachmann ......................................... 48%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Herman Cain, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 41%
Herman Cain................................................... 46%
Undecided....................................................... 13%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 44%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 48%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Tim
Pawlenty, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 41%
Tim Pawlenty .................................................. 45%
Undecided....................................................... 14%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 41%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 49%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

PPP finds Montana to have an electorate much more Republican  than that of 2008.   

Current map:


 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


           
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  127
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   146
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 68
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  77
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  15
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   10





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

This time I have a new category in orange in which President Obama loses to every candidate despite seeming close to having a chance to win.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  127
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   139
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 90
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  38
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  11
orange                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate 3
Obama wins against all but  Romney 19
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 43
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  10  



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 28, 2011, 05:45:26 PM
Montana, PPP:

Quote
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 43%
Disapprove...................................................... 54%
Not sure .......................................................... 3%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Michele Bachmann, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 42%
Michele Bachmann ......................................... 48%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Herman Cain, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 41%
Herman Cain................................................... 46%
Undecided....................................................... 13%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 44%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 48%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Tim
Pawlenty, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 41%
Tim Pawlenty .................................................. 45%
Undecided....................................................... 14%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 41%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 49%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

PPP finds Montana to have an electorate much more Republican  than that of 2008.   This is the only state, so far, in which President Obama is within 7% of a 50% approval rating but in which he loses to all apparent Republican contenders. It's not really close.

Did Montana get an oil and gas boom with lots of Republican voters who would vote for Tony Soprano if he were the Republican nominee?  

Current map:


 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  127
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   146
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 68
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  77
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  15
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   10





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.

This time I have a new category in orange in which President Obama loses to every candidate despite seeming close to having a chance to win.

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  127
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   139
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 90
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  38
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  11
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but  Romney 19
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 43
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  10  



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on June 28, 2011, 05:57:29 PM
New Hampshire

Job Approval / Disapproval
Gov. Lynch: 43 / 29
Pres. Obama: 39 / 54

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/28/nh-obama-approval-39-appr_n_886406.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 29, 2011, 11:05:06 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47, -2.

Disapprove 52%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, +2.

Pro-Obama bad sample dropped out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 29, 2011, 01:23:28 PM
Texas (PPP):

42-55

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_TX_629513.pdf

New York (Quinnipiac):

57-38

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1619

New Jersey (Bloomberg/Selzer):

59% Favorable
37% Unfavorable

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-29/new-jersey-s-christie-loses-support-for-second-term-over-budget-slashing.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: xavier110 on June 29, 2011, 01:45:51 PM
New Hampshire

Job Approval / Disapproval
Gov. Lynch: 43 / 29
Pres. Obama: 39 / 54

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/28/nh-obama-approval-39-appr_n_886406.html

ARG..the worst pollster ever


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 29, 2011, 01:49:34 PM
New Hampshire

Job Approval / Disapproval
Gov. Lynch: 43 / 29
Pres. Obama: 39 / 54

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/28/nh-obama-approval-39-appr_n_886406.html

ARG..the worst pollster ever

They have Obama's approval among Democrats in the 60s ... !!!

Joke poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 29, 2011, 04:47:36 PM
Texas, PPP. This makes sense.

Quote
Texas Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 42%
Disapprove...................................................... 55%
Not sure .......................................................... 3%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Michele Bachmann, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 44%
Michele Bachmann ......................................... 47%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Herman Cain, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 43%
Herman Cain................................................... 43%
Undecided....................................................... 14%

Q12 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 46%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 44%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q13 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Tim
Pawlenty, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 43%
Tim Pawlenty .................................................. 44%
Undecided....................................................... 13%

Q14 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 42%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 50%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Q15 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Ron
Paul, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 40%
Ron Paul ......................................................... 45%
Undecided....................................................... 15%

Q16 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Rick
Perry, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 47%
Rick Perry ....................................................... 45%
Undecided....................................................... 8%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_TX_629513.pdf


New York, Quinnipiac

Quote
President Barack Obama gets a 57 - 38 percent approval rating in New York, compared to 60 - 35 percent June 1. Voters say 56 - 39 percent that President Obama deserves reelection and would vote for him 53 - 30 percent over an unnamed Republican challenger.


http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1619

Quote
New Mexico Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 50%
Disapprove...................................................... 44%
Not sure .......................................................... 6%

You can trust that no Republican really has a chance in 2012 against President Obama in New Mexico.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NM_06291118.pdf

The ARG poll of New Hampshire has no credibility. Bloomberg/Selzer is a favorability poll and thus cannot be used.



Current map:


 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  122
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   151
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 68
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  39
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  53
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   10





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  122
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   151
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 90
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  0
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  11
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but  Romney 19
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 81
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  10  



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: foodgellas on June 29, 2011, 05:59:20 PM
I'm a big fan of your posts and the work you put into your maps.

However, don't you find them a little too good to be true? How is Obama going to win OH with the unemployment rate there nearly 10%? If he can't win OH, then forget about PA or IN.

Also, in what universe is Obama winning TN? I saw one poll that indicates such a possibility, and all candidates barely registered in it. No way Obama wins TN, AZ or GA in 2012. These states were all out of reach while he had the strongest wind at his back in 2008. Demographic changes haven't come fast enough for them to move in his direction with current economic headwinds. I cherish the possibility, but I don't see how it could happen.

I still say Obama will win re-election, but not by a larger margin than in 2008. Worst case winning scenario, he wins all of the Gore states + VA, NH and NE's 1 EV. Best case winning scenario, he repeats the exact same electoral map he had last time.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 29, 2011, 06:54:00 PM

 How is Obama going to win OH with the unemployment rate there nearly 10%? If he can't win OH, then forget about PA or IN.

As a rule I add something to the approval rating for the incumbent. Such proved right with George W. Bush, who was an awful President. Opinions on President Obama are about as divided now as they were going into the 2004 election.

I look at the matchups between the President and putative opponents, and such an addition is justifiable. The President is not likely to run against someone now (or likely to remain) a complete mystery. As I recall, President Obama had a higher disapproval rating than approval rating in Ohio (by 1%) and a tie in Pennsylvania, but in the polls that I saw, President Obama was shown winning against every candidate imaginable. Sure, if the Republicans come up with a candidate of unusual strength, they can beat President Obama, and if the President has a meltdown as a leader (scandal) or is held culpable for an economic calamity, he loses. But such has yet to happen.


As for 10% unemployment in Ohio -- voters might decide to lay blame on Republicans.
I look at the national  Gallup Presidential polls for Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan in contrast to President Obama -- and the patterns are similar enough that I can expect President Obama to win. President Obama's political skills are roughly the same as those of Clinton or Reagan... and that will say much in 2012.

President Obama now projects to win Pennsylvania and Ohio. Tellingly, the incumbent Democratic Senator from Ohio is in a strong position to win re-election after one term in a state close to the national norm, and the Republican Governor is extremely unpopular in Ohio.  

In Senatorial and Gubernatorial races, Nate Silver estimates that an incumbent usually gains about 6% from an approval rating before the campaign. Such applies just the same both to failures and winners alike.  I assume that much the same President, except that the obvious cap exists for about 62% of the maximum share of the vote because no Presidential nominee has ever won that much of the vote. But if the resident's approval rating should be 56% in April 2012, then we can be very certain that the election won't be interesting.  
    
Quote
Also, in what universe is Obama winning TN? I saw one poll that indicates such a possibility, and all candidates barely registered in it. No way Obama wins TN, AZ or GA in 2012. These states were all out of reach while he had the strongest wind at his back in 2008. Demographic changes haven't come fast enough for them to move in his direction with current economic headwinds. I cherish the possibility, but I don't see how it could happen.

Arizona -- President Obama lost the state by a margin less than that of the usual margin against a Favorite Son. Had the Republican nominee been anyone other than John McCain, then Arizona would have been extremely close in 2008.

But note that I see President Obama losing the state -- to Mitt Romney, and just barely. I see Romney as a good match for Arizona so far, and most other Republicans as disasters there.

Georgia -- Georgia has a heavy military presence.  Soldiers and military dependents probably voted with deference to a legitimate war hero. The Republicans have no war hero as a potential nominee. In any event, as in other Southern states, military and diplomatic issues matter greatly. President Obama seemed untested in the extreme in 2008; that is over. Not long ago President Obama projected to lose only to Romney, and another poll recently showed President Obama winning against Romney.

Tennessee -- One poll. President Obama got a 44% approval rating much as in Arizona, but he had significant gaps between himself and every potential Republican nominee. I am convinced that Mike Huckabee would win against President Obama because Huckabee is a good match against  President Obama. Mike Huckabee is perfectly suited to neighboring Arkansas, a state very similar to Tennessee in its demographics and political history.

Matchups are a check of the system. They can contradict the theory -- or refine it.  

Quote
I still say Obama will win re-election, but not by a larger margin than in 2008.

I think that you are right. But I now see the President winning by much-smaller numbers in some of the states that he won by gigantic margins in 2008 (but still winning them, except perhaps Nevada), holding his own in states that he won by slight-to-modest margins (except perhaps Indiana, about which I know nothing due to a lack of polls of any kind), picking up Georgia, and gaining some votes in states that he lost by gigantic margin. If I were guessing on Indiana, I would predict that the President loses the state because he is not going to campaign extensively there and statewide Republicans are going to play defense as shown in their effort to ensure about a 7-2 split in the Congressional delegation.  

Here is an oddity: President Obama got relatively few electoral votes for his margin of victory in the popular votes.  Contrast the elections of 1944 (when America wasn't as polarized in statewide voting as it is now) in which FDR utterly clobbered Thomas E. Dewey in electoral votes. President Obama could win 53% of the popular vote and 400 electoral votes against Mitt Romney if the interstate polarization weakens.

All polls suggest that the President would win decisively against a weak candidate (meaning one with weak political skills -- President Obama is a consummate campaigner and can get a superb electoral apparatus out of mothballs), and would crush a candidate who seems like a part of the lunatic fringe.

Barring the unmentionable, President Obama seems as known a political commodity as there could be. With the Republicans one has huge questions.  

....

Politicians in office have to legislate or administer. Such cuts into their approval ratings because they can't please everyone. But if they aren't abject failures in office, they usually show why they were elected in the first place. The losers among Presidents since 1900 lost either because they either rode the popularity of a strong predecessor once (Taft, the elder Bush), endured one of the worst economic meltdowns in history (Hoover), were objective under-achievers (Carter, who had practically no legislative successes), or had never been elected to any statewide office or been a high-profile cabinet member (Ford) and ran an inept campaign.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on June 30, 2011, 09:36:23 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47, u.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on June 30, 2011, 05:23:28 PM
National

Obama Job Approval
43% Approve, 49% Disapprove (chart)
Economy: 35 / 55 (chart)
Health Care: 38 / 52 (chart)

2012 President
46% Obama (D), 36% Huntsman (R)
46% Obama (D), 43% Romney (R)

Congressional Job Approval
13% Approve, 62% Disapprove (chart)

State of the Country
21% Right Direction, 64% Wrong Track (chart)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/30/us-obama-approval-43-appr_n_888160.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on June 30, 2011, 09:01:37 PM
My prediction
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 01, 2011, 07:31:45 AM
Quinnipiac never seemed to poll Virginia before. It may be adding a state to its repertory.

Quote
The re-election trifecta for President Obama is just about dead even in Virginia:

    He gets a 48 - 48 percent approval rating;
    Voters split 47 - 47 percent on whether Obama deserves re-election;
    He gets 43 percent to 41 percent for an unnamed GOP challenger.

Basically, the President still beats the strongest GOP challenger that anyone can imagine.  The good mood in the aftermath of the killing of Osama bin Laden is no more. The Republicans will need a miracle worker to defeat President Obama or some calamity for the President to win Virginia.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x5822.xml?ReleaseID=1621



Current map:


 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  122
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   138
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 81
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  39
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  53
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   10





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue -- maybe medium blue, as I have seen only one state in that category -- in which who the nominee is matters. This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  122
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   138
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 103
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  0
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  11
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but  Romney 19
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 81
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  10  




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 01, 2011, 08:53:25 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47, u.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hotblack Desiato on July 01, 2011, 08:54:31 AM
I'm curious. Why such a similar-looking map to 2008?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on July 01, 2011, 10:36:33 PM
That's my confidence for 2012 on how each state votes, my prediction after the election night...
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 02, 2011, 09:36:53 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49, +1.

Disapprove 50%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 03, 2011, 10:03:10 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49, u.

Disapprove 50%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, -1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 06, 2011, 10:09:30 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49, u.

Disapprove 50%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, +1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on July 06, 2011, 10:49:47 AM
I'm a big fan of your posts and the work you put into your maps.

However, don't you find them a little too good to be true?

Welcome to the forum, and meet pbrower, whom you just neatly summed up. ;)

How is Obama going to win OH with the unemployment rate there nearly 10%? If he can't win OH, then forget about PA or IN.

With respect, PA will go (stay) with Obama long after Ohio might switch GOP.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 07, 2011, 08:37:27 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49, u.

Disapprove 50%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, +1.

These numbers still include holiday weekend numbers.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 07, 2011, 12:29:21 PM
NH (UNH):

46% Approve
49% Disapprove

http://www.wmur.com/politics/28464796/detail.html

NH (PPP):

46% Approve
49% Disapprove

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NH_07071118.pdf

I guess there is consensus ... ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 08, 2011, 09:06:02 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47, -1.

Disapprove 52%,+2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +2.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on July 08, 2011, 09:15:22 AM
Really bad jobs numbers today. A deficit-deal that by Obama's own analysis people won't like (and people don't necessarily care much about the deficit anyway) or potential market panic if deal crumbles.  The next couple weeks look to be ugly in this department.  He should probably kill Gaddafi.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 08, 2011, 09:19:03 AM

Yeah, he should definitely kill him because the jobs report was bad.

While we're on that type of subject, I think I just found a good excuse for why we went into Iraq...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 08, 2011, 12:25:08 PM
NH (UNH):

46% Approve
49% Disapprove

http://www.wmur.com/politics/28464796/detail.html

NH (PPP):

46% Approve
49% Disapprove

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NH_07071118.pdf

I guess there is consensus ... ;)

First July poll (G).

Second, Pennsylvania, PPP:

Quote
Pennsylvania Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?

Approve .......................................................... 46%
Disapprove...................................................... 48%
Not sure .......................................................... 6%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Michele Bachmann, who would you vote for?

Barack Obama................................................ 50%
Michele Bachmann ......................................... 43%
Undecided....................................................... 7%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Herman Cain, who would you vote for?

Barack Obama................................................ 49%
Herman Cain................................................... 37%
Undecided....................................................... 15%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?

Barack Obama................................................ 53%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 39%
Undecided....................................................... 8%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Tim
Pawlenty, who would you vote for?

Barack Obama................................................ 47%
Tim Pawlenty .................................................. 39%
Undecided....................................................... 15%

Q12 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 44%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 44%
Undecided....................................................... 12%

Q13 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Rick
Santorum, who would you vote for?

Barack Obama................................................ 50%
Rick Santorum................................................ 40%
Undecided....................................................... 11% (sic!)





Current map:


 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  122
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   134
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 77
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  39
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  53
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   10





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Here's the rationale:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html

...and I am less charitable to an incumbent President than is Nate Silver.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  122
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   134
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 83
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  0
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  11
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but  Romney 23
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  20
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 81
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  10  






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 09, 2011, 08:44:36 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46, -1.

Disapprove 53%,+1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 10, 2011, 09:33:31 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46, u.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -1.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 11, 2011, 09:02:17 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47, +1.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, -2.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on July 11, 2011, 07:06:44 PM
Its not a Statewide poll, but PPP tested Obama's approval rating with likely S.E. Voters in CA-36, and found him at 44-47 disapproval.  The (admittedly small) sample claimed to have voted for him 56%-39%, and he won the district in 2008 64.5-33.5

http://www.dailykos.com/polling/2011/7/8/CA-36/38/wsI21

Mostly this is due to Obama being at 44-45 with the district's considerable Hispanic population.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 12, 2011, 07:03:08 AM
Sarah Palin, according to a "tweet" by PPP, has a  split of favorability of 32/58 in Utah.

The populated sections of Utah are in a seismic zone almost as dangerous as California, which might be good for a few metaphors.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 12, 2011, 08:54:48 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47, u.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on July 12, 2011, 09:05:58 AM
Sarah Palin, according to a "tweet" by PPP, has a  split of favorability of 32/58 in Utah.

The populated sections of Utah are in a seismic zone almost as dangerous as California, which might be good for a few metaphors.

Hey BRTD, there's got to be a handful of tropes to describe the style of writing that pbrower exhibits, no? Like, someone who tells a bad joke and then follows up the joke with an explanation of why it's funny, such that even those who don't think the joke is funny can appreciate the wit and intelligence of he who wrote it?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 12, 2011, 10:01:54 AM
Sarah Palin, according to a "tweet" by PPP, has a  split of favorability of 32/58 in Utah.

The populated sections of Utah are in a seismic zone almost as dangerous as California, which might be good for a few metaphors.

Hey BRTD, there's got to be a handful of tropes to describe the style of writing that pbrower exhibits, no? Like, someone who tells a bad joke and then follows up the joke with an explanation of why it's funny, such that even those who don't think the joke is funny can appreciate the wit and intelligence of he who wrote it?

No joke is intended there. I'd like to see the poll, and when I see it there might be an interesting metaphor.

I lack one thing of being good at making jokes -- I'm not Jewish.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 12, 2011, 11:44:06 AM
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_UT_7121118.pdf

Off topic, but there could be an interesting Senate race in Utah in 2012.

Utah!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on July 12, 2011, 02:40:30 PM
PRESIDENT – NATIONAL (Zogby)
Obama approval: 42% deserve re-election: 36%
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zogby.com%2Fnews%2F2011%2F07%2F12%2Fibope-zogby-poll-christie-ahead-obama-hypothetical-6-others-dead-heat-president%2F&h=zAQBFjro6


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Reaganfan on July 12, 2011, 02:54:10 PM
PRESIDENT – NATIONAL (Zogby)
Obama approval: 42% deserve re-election: 36%
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zogby.com%2Fnews%2F2011%2F07%2F12%2Fibope-zogby-poll-christie-ahead-obama-hypothetical-6-others-dead-heat-president%2F&h=zAQBFjro6


Holy crap. Zogby sucks but even still...that's bad.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 12, 2011, 03:03:04 PM
PRESIDENT – NATIONAL (Zogby)
Obama approval: 42% deserve re-election: 36%
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zogby.com%2Fnews%2F2011%2F07%2F12%2Fibope-zogby-poll-christie-ahead-obama-hypothetical-6-others-dead-heat-president%2F&h=zAQBFjro6


As I've said numerous times:

It's Zogby!

Actually, Zogby wasn't too far off in 2008, but it still isn't one of the top tier polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on July 12, 2011, 07:41:59 PM
PRESIDENT – NATIONAL (Zogby)
Obama approval: 42% deserve re-election: 36%
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zogby.com%2Fnews%2F2011%2F07%2F12%2Fibope-zogby-poll-christie-ahead-obama-hypothetical-6-others-dead-heat-president%2F&h=zAQBFjro6


Holy crap. Zogby sucks but even still...that's bad.

With Zogby's 25% margin of error, that might be great.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 13, 2011, 09:29:10 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48, +1.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 13, 2011, 04:43:30 PM
Quote
North Carolina Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 45%
Disapprove...................................................... 51%
Not sure .......................................................... 4%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Michele Bachmann, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 46%
Michele Bachmann ......................................... 43%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Herman Cain, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 46%
Herman Cain................................................... 42%
Undecided....................................................... 12%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 50%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 42%
Undecided....................................................... 8%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Tim
Pawlenty, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 46%
Tim Pawlenty .................................................. 41%
Undecided....................................................... 13%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 45%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 45%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_713424.pdf

Current map:


 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  122
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   119
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 77
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  54
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  53
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   10





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Here's the rationale:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html

...and I am less charitable to an incumbent President than is Nate Silver.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  122
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   119
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 83
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  0
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  11
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but  Romney 23
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  35
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 81
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  10  






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 14, 2011, 07:49:42 AM
Reuters/Ipsos:

49% Approve
46% Disapprove

http://www.ipsos-na.com/download/pr.aspx?id=10849

Quinnipiac:

47% Approve
46% Disapprove

Quote
* Voters will blame Republicans over Obama 48 - 34 percent if the debt limit is not raised;

* Voters say 67 - 25 percent that an agreement to raise the debt ceiling should include tax hikes for the wealthy and corporations, not just spending cuts;

* Voters say 45 - 37 percent that Obama's proposals to raise revenues are "closing loopholes," rather than "tax hikes";

* But voters say 57 - 30 percent that Obama's proposals will impact the middle class, not just the wealthy.

"The American people aren't very happy about their leaders, but President Barack Obama is viewed as the best of the worst, especially when it comes to the economy," said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling institute.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1624


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 14, 2011, 08:39:34 AM
Rasmussen (14-07-2011): (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

49% Approve (+1)
50% Disapprove (-1)

26% Strongly Approve (+3)
38% Strongly Disapprove (nc)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 14, 2011, 08:58:36 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49, +1.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, u.

I'd suspect a bad sample may be moving through the system; a 5 point Strongly Approve in two days is a bit high.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 14, 2011, 12:49:12 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49, +1.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, u.

I'd suspect a bad sample may be moving through the system; a 5 point Strongly Approve in two days is a bit high.



Wait a few days. Maybe President Obama won the budget squabble, the pitched battle that Congressional Republicans set for him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 14, 2011, 12:59:16 PM
Wisconsin (Badger Poll):

50% Approve
44% Disapprove

http://www.uwsc.wisc.edu/BP32PressRelease2_USpols_FINAL.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 14, 2011, 01:07:21 PM
Wisconsin (Badger Poll):

50% Approve
44% Disapprove

http://www.uwsc.wisc.edu/BP32PressRelease2_USpols_FINAL.pdf

The Sunshine State Poll for Florida is not worth considering due to editorial bias -- and the 49% nationwide approval poll from Rasmussen. No way is Florida ever R+10! One by ARG shows some matchups involving Obama-Romney and Obama-Bachmann... but no overall approval poll.  I can easily imagine the President being underwater in Iowa now because the Republicans are campaigning actively for advantages in the primary election  and the President isn't.

Current map:


 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  122
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   119
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 77
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  54
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  53
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   10





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Here's the rationale:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html

...and I am less charitable to an incumbent President than is Nate Silver.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  122
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   113
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 83
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  0
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  11
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but  Romney 23
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  35
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 87
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  10  







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on July 14, 2011, 01:55:15 PM
in before utah turns dark green


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 14, 2011, 02:07:25 PM

Such would still amaze me.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on July 14, 2011, 03:41:27 PM

As a wise man once said, much can and will happen in the next 29+ months -- and will.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 14, 2011, 04:50:07 PM
This poor rating for the President is credible.

Quote
Utah Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 32%
Disapprove...................................................... 62%
Not sure .......................................................... 6%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Michele Bachmann, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 35%
Michele Bachmann ......................................... 49%
Undecided....................................................... 16%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Herman Cain, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 36%
Herman Cain................................................... 43%
Undecided....................................................... 20%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 41%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 43%
Undecided....................................................... 16%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Tim
Pawlenty, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 34%
Tim Pawlenty .................................................. 45%
Undecided....................................................... 20%

Q12 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 31%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 63%
Undecided....................................................... 6%

Q13 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Jon
Huntsman, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 23%
Jon Huntsman................................................. 63%
Undecided....................................................... 15%

Badly as President Obama appeals to Utah voters, Sarah Palin almost does as badly.

Current map:


 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  120
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   119
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 77
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  54
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  53
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   16





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Here's the rationale:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html

...and I am less charitable to an incumbent President than is Nate Silver.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  122
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   113
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 83
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  0
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  11
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but  Romney 23
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  35
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 87
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18  







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on July 14, 2011, 05:57:29 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49, +1.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, u.

I'd suspect a bad sample may be moving through the system; a 5 point Strongly Approve in two days is a bit high.



Wait a few days. Maybe President Obama won the budget squabble, the pitched battle that Congressional Republicans set for him.

Well, from these polls it looks like just the opposite happened:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/148487/Republican-Candidate-Extends-Lead-Obama.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=syndication&utm_content=plaintextlink&utm_term=Politics

Obama's down 47-39 to Generic Republican for re-election in Gallup

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/generic_presidential_ballot/election_2012_generic_presidential_ballot

And down 48-43 to Generic Republican in Rass.

Both represent his worst showing yet in either poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 14, 2011, 08:27:55 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49, +1.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, u.

I'd suspect a bad sample may be moving through the system; a 5 point Strongly Approve in two days is a bit high.



Wait a few days. Maybe President Obama won the budget squabble, the pitched battle that Congressional Republicans set for him.

Those figures were from before that walkout, and, even if they were, they'd be more like to show in the Approve numbers much more strongly.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 15, 2011, 08:42:24 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48, -1.

Disapprove 51%, -+1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, +1.

A 6 point gain in Strongly Approve in three days is more than a bit high.  :)



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on July 15, 2011, 12:30:11 PM
Obama Approval Rating June 2011 (Gallup)

46% Approve

46% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 29/57 (June 1979)

Reagan: 45/46 (June 1983)

Bush I: 72/21 (June 1991)

Clinton: 47/42 (June 1995)

Bush II: 62/34 (June 2003)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on July 15, 2011, 01:24:09 PM
Obama Approval Rating June 2011 (Gallup)

46% Approve

46% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 29/57 (June 1979)

Reagan: 45/46 (June 1983)

Bush I: 72/21 (June 1991)

Clinton: 47/42 (June 1995)

Bush II: 62/34 (June 2003)


Its interesting how Obama and Reagan have very similar approval graphs on Gallup so far (the only major differences are the Tuscon and Bin Laden bounces).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 15, 2011, 01:46:51 PM
Obama Approval Rating June 2011 (Gallup)

46% Approve

46% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 29/57 (June 1979)

Reagan: 45/46 (June 1983)

Bush I: 72/21 (June 1991)

Clinton: 47/42 (June 1995)

Bush II: 62/34 (June 2003)


Its interesting how Obama and Reagan have very similar approval graphs on Gallup so far (the only major differences are the Tuscon and Bin Laden bounces).

Actually Reagan was upswing at this point, off from a low of 35%, IIRC.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on July 15, 2011, 06:53:20 PM
Obama Approval Rating June 2011 (Gallup)

46% Approve

46% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 29/57 (June 1979)

Reagan: 45/46 (June 1983)

Bush I: 72/21 (June 1991)

Clinton: 47/42 (June 1995)

Bush II: 62/34 (June 2003)


Its interesting how Obama and Reagan have very similar approval graphs on Gallup so far (the only major differences are the Tuscon and Bin Laden bounces).

Actually Reagan was upswing at this point, off from a low of 35%, IIRC.

Technically, Obama is on average, up from his lows in August of 2010.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on July 15, 2011, 07:37:46 PM
The only difference between the two is that things are not looking up for Obama. In fact, there's a chance things will get worse. He has the luxury of the GOP running a bunch of crazies that he could beat with a 40% approval rating on election day.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on July 15, 2011, 08:16:39 PM
The only difference between the two is that things are not looking up for Obama. In fact, there's a chance things will get worse. He has the luxury of the GOP running a bunch of crazies that he could beat with a 40% approval rating on election day.

No President gets reelected with a 40% approval rating. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on July 15, 2011, 08:19:48 PM
The only difference between the two is that things are not looking up for Obama. In fact, there's a chance things will get worse. He has the luxury of the GOP running a bunch of crazies that he could beat with a 40% approval rating on election day.

No President gets reelected with a 40% approval rating. 
Prove it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 15, 2011, 08:28:44 PM
Obama Approval Rating June 2011 (Gallup)

46% Approve

46% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Carter: 29/57 (June 1979)

Reagan: 45/46 (June 1983)

Bush I: 72/21 (June 1991)

Clinton: 47/42 (June 1995)

Bush II: 62/34 (June 2003)


Its interesting how Obama and Reagan have very similar approval graphs on Gallup so far (the only major differences are the Tuscon and Bin Laden bounces).

Actually Reagan was upswing at this point, off from a low of 35%, IIRC.

Technically, Obama is on average, up from his lows in August of 2010.

Within the MOE.  I don't think Obama has troughed at this point.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 16, 2011, 07:48:01 AM
The only difference between the two is that things are not looking up for Obama. In fact, there's a chance things will get worse. He has the luxury of the GOP running a bunch of crazies that he could beat with a 40% approval rating on election day.

No President gets reelected with a 40% approval rating.  
Prove it.

Counter-proof: Harry S. Truman. His approval ratings, not surprisingly, went north and south with the position of the UN forces in Korea in a frontal war with clear advances and setbacks, not to mention the prospect at one point of utter defeat. The last Gallup poll for him (September) showed his Presidency on the brink of defeat. Gallup quit publishing polls that month out of a concern that such polls might influence the results.

You do remember the headline of the Chicago Tribune:

DEWEY WINS

Some people were very confident that Harry Truman would lose  -- big -- having been such an abject failure. There was even a song made for the occasion:

Congratulations! Tom Dewey.
You won by a landslide today
Through thick and through thin
We knew you would win
'Cause who'd ever vote
To let Truman stay in!
Congratulations, Tom Dewey
Your republican dreams have come true!
Here's a victory roar
For President Number Thirty-Four!
The White House is waiting for you!

Election Day 1948 was an abject disaster for Republicans. Truman was gaining on the Republicans throughout the early autumn of 1948, and a bunch of Republican Congressmen elected in 1946 were defeated. The only big positive for the Republicans was that they held an open seat in Michigan with a young lawyer named Gerald Ford.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 16, 2011, 09:02:02 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47, -1.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +2.

I still think there is a bad sample about to drop out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on July 16, 2011, 11:00:06 AM
Here's a map of Obama vs. Republican polls I cooked up.  I did not count poll options that had a candidate who wasn't running winning or losing to Obama and instead took the declared candidate (usually Romney, sometimes an average of running candidates).  I also through out the Tennessee Poll, which I think is junk. 

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When we add in the Kerry states for Obama and McCain states for the Republican, the map looks like the one below, with only Indiana unpolled.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on July 16, 2011, 11:33:27 PM
The only difference between the two is that things are not looking up for Obama. In fact, there's a chance things will get worse. He has the luxury of the GOP running a bunch of crazies that he could beat with a 40% approval rating on election day.

No President gets reelected with a 40% approval rating. 
Prove it.

Here:

2004 Bush 48% Approval Won Reelection
1996 Clinton 54% Approval Won Reelection
1992 Bush 34% Approval Lost Reelection
1984 Reagan 58% Approval Won Reelection
1980 Carter 37% Approval Lost Reelection
1976 Ford 45% Approval Lost Reelection
1972 Nixon 56% Approval Won Reelection
1964 Johnson 74% Approval Won Reelection
1956 Eisenhower 68% Approval Won Reelection
1948 Truman stopped polling after July 1948



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Reaganfan on July 17, 2011, 01:54:18 AM
The only difference between the two is that things are not looking up for Obama. In fact, there's a chance things will get worse. He has the luxury of the GOP running a bunch of crazies that he could beat with a 40% approval rating on election day.

No President gets reelected with a 40% approval rating. 
Prove it.

Here:

2004 Bush 48% Approval Won Reelection
1996 Clinton 54% Approval Won Reelection
1992 Bush 34% Approval Lost Reelection
1984 Reagan 58% Approval Won Reelection
1980 Carter 37% Approval Lost Reelection
1976 Ford 45% Approval Lost Reelection
1972 Nixon 56% Approval Won Reelection
1964 Johnson 74% Approval Won Reelection
1956 Eisenhower 68% Approval Won Reelection
1948 Truman stopped polling after July 1948



Looking at Bush and Ford, looks like 46-47% is the limit.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on July 17, 2011, 02:56:48 AM
if Obama is at 40 % on election day, he will win against Palin but he will lose against Romney or Perry. Opponents count.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 17, 2011, 10:00:49 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, -2.

Disapprove 54%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.

Possibly a bad sample dropping out, but not where I though it was.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 17, 2011, 10:08:03 AM
The only difference between the two is that things are not looking up for Obama. In fact, there's a chance things will get worse. He has the luxury of the GOP running a bunch of crazies that he could beat with a 40% approval rating on election day.

No President gets reelected with a 40% approval rating. 
Prove it.

Here:

2004 Bush 48% Approval Won Reelection
1996 Clinton 54% Approval Won Reelection
1992 Bush 34% Approval Lost Reelection
1984 Reagan 58% Approval Won Reelection
1980 Carter 37% Approval Lost Reelection
1976 Ford 45% Approval Lost Reelection
1972 Nixon 56% Approval Won Reelection
1964 Johnson 74% Approval Won Reelection
1956 Eisenhower 68% Approval Won Reelection
1948 Truman stopped polling after July 1948



Looking at Bush and Ford, looks like 46-47% is the limit.

About right.

Having an effective campaign apparatus and not having an effective campaign apparatus may have been the difference between Ford 1976 and Bush 2004. Ford had no idea of how to run an effective campaign beyond a Congressional district, and the effective campaign apparatus (CREEP) of Nixon in 1972 was unusable. The Ford campaign made incredible blunders in using its resources. Ford at most would have won a nailbiter; he was not a great President, and the inflationary economy in a recession (stagflation) was not good for convincing anyone of the economic stewardship of the Administration. Dubya may have been a dreadful President, but the damage yet to do its damage had yet to manifest itself, and he got re-elected. He had been elected... sort of... but his campaign machine knew what to do.  

Add 5% to the polling for 2004 and you get the electoral result. Add 3% to the polling for 1976 and you get the result. Such is the difference between a President who had no idea of how to get elected outside a Congressional district and one had shown that he could be elected beforehand. (Of course, had the Iraq war gone badly or the speculative boom gone bust before the election, then he would have lost. He could have lost much like Jimmy Carter in 1976 had such happened).

The others:

1952 -- Dwight Eisenhower was wildly popular, but a natural ceiling of about 62% of the popular vote exists for any incumbent. Eisenhower didn't have much of a campaign, and didn't need one against the Democrat that he had defeated handily. Eisenhower fell short of that campaign largely because Southern segregationists distrusted him. They were morally wrong, but right about their observation.

1964 -- LBJ ran against someone easily depicted as a reckless extremist. He didn't need much of a campaign. The 62% ceiling for an incumbent President applies.

1972 -- Even with a ruthless campaign, Nixon was able to get 'only' about a 5% gain against someone that his campaign (and much else) depicted as an extremist.

1976 -- See above. Ford could have won against a weak challenger who wasn't that different in ideology.

1980 -- The Carter Presidency was certifiably of the weakest in post-WWII history, with few achievements to create a record and stagflation to wreck whatever chance he had of getting re-elected. The Carter campaign did the best that it could with the material that it had, gaining about 4% in the popular vote. There was an independent candidate (John Anderson) who might have cut into his vote share. Independent and third-party candidates can muck things up, and John Anderson may have won many votes of disgruntled Carter voters from 1976 who couldn't quite vote for Ronald Reagan. This one gets murky beyond saying that Carter would never have won in 1980.

1984 -- Reagan won about 58% of the popular vote, which is much less than the norm for the landslide in electoral votes that he got. It's hard to remember the re-election campaign of Ronald Reagan, so it probably wasn't great. Walter Mondale was no extremist -- a very conventional Democrat -- so the electoral circumstances weren't quite those of 1964 or 1972. No gain -- but a President who achieves his promises will win.

1992 and 1996 -- Third-party and independent candidacies muck things up. I can draw no conclusions, except that Bill Clinton would have won a bigger share of the popular vote without Ross Perot around.

2004. See above.

2012. Just watch events unfold. The electoral machine of Barack Obama and a repetition of the proved competence of this politician as a campaigner should give him about a 5% gain against his approval rating against someone that his staff can't dismiss as an extremist (probably Romney, maybe Huntsman, Pawlenty, Giuliani, or Huckabee) or about 7% against someone that his campaign can depict as an extremist (names withheld for reasons of decency). Of course opponents count, but some things about this President really are set in stone.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on July 17, 2011, 04:48:19 PM
The only difference between the two is that things are not looking up for Obama. In fact, there's a chance things will get worse. He has the luxury of the GOP running a bunch of crazies that he could beat with a 40% approval rating on election day.

No President gets reelected with a 40% approval rating. 
Prove it.

Here:

2004 Bush 48% Approval Won Reelection
1996 Clinton 54% Approval Won Reelection
1992 Bush 34% Approval Lost Reelection
1984 Reagan 58% Approval Won Reelection
1980 Carter 37% Approval Lost Reelection
1976 Ford 45% Approval Lost Reelection
1972 Nixon 56% Approval Won Reelection
1964 Johnson 74% Approval Won Reelection
1956 Eisenhower 68% Approval Won Reelection
1948 Truman stopped polling after July 1948



Looking at Bush and Ford, looks like 46-47% is the limit.

About right.

Having an effective campaign apparatus and not having an effective campaign apparatus may have been the difference between Ford 1976 and Bush 2004. Ford had no idea of how to run an effective campaign beyond a Congressional district, and the effective campaign apparatus (CREEP) of Nixon in 1972 was unusable. The Ford campaign made incredible blunders in using its resources. Ford at most would have won a nailbiter; he was not a great President, and the inflationary economy in a recession (stagflation) was not good for convincing anyone of the economic stewardship of the Administration. Dubya may have been a dreadful President, but the damage yet to do its damage had yet to manifest itself, and he got re-elected. He had been elected... sort of... but his campaign machine knew what to do.  

Add 5% to the polling for 2004 and you get the electoral result. Add 3% to the polling for 1976 and you get the result. Such is the difference between a President who had no idea of how to get elected outside a Congressional district and one had shown that he could be elected beforehand. (Of course, had the Iraq war gone badly or the speculative boom gone bust before the election, then he would have lost. He could have lost much like Jimmy Carter in 1976 had such happened).

The others:

1952 -- Dwight Eisenhower was wildly popular, but a natural ceiling of about 62% of the popular vote exists for any incumbent. Eisenhower didn't have much of a campaign, and didn't need one against the Democrat that he had defeated handily. Eisenhower fell short of that campaign largely because Southern segregationists distrusted him. They were morally wrong, but right about their observation.

1964 -- LBJ ran against someone easily depicted as a reckless extremist. He didn't need much of a campaign. The 62% ceiling for an incumbent President applies.

1972 -- Even with a ruthless campaign, Nixon was able to get 'only' about a 5% gain against someone that his campaign (and much else) depicted as an extremist.

1976 -- See above. Ford could have won against a weak challenger who wasn't that different in ideology.

1980 -- The Carter Presidency was certifiably of the weakest in post-WWII history, with few achievements to create a record and stagflation to wreck whatever chance he had of getting re-elected. The Carter campaign did the best that it could with the material that it had, gaining about 4% in the popular vote. There was an independent candidate (John Anderson) who might have cut into his vote share. Independent and third-party candidates can muck things up, and John Anderson may have won many votes of disgruntled Carter voters from 1976 who couldn't quite vote for Ronald Reagan. This one gets murky beyond saying that Carter would never have won in 1980.

1984 -- Reagan won about 58% of the popular vote, which is much less than the norm for the landslide in electoral votes that he got. It's hard to remember the re-election campaign of Ronald Reagan, so it probably wasn't great. Walter Mondale was no extremist -- a very conventional Democrat -- so the electoral circumstances weren't quite those of 1964 or 1972. No gain -- but a President who achieves his promises will win.

1992 and 1996 -- Third-party and independent candidacies muck things up. I can draw no conclusions, except that Bill Clinton would have won a bigger share of the popular vote without Ross Perot around.

2004. See above.

2012. Just watch events unfold. The electoral machine of Barack Obama and a repetition of the proved competence of this politician as a campaigner should give him about a 5% gain against his approval rating against someone that his staff can't dismiss as an extremist (probably Romney, maybe Huntsman, Pawlenty, Giuliani, or Huckabee) or about 7% against someone that his campaign can depict as an extremist (names withheld for reasons of decency). Of course opponents count, but some things about this President really are set in stone.  

Obama is vastly overrated as a campaigner.  If he was that great, he would have been able to go out in 2010 and sharply reduce Democratic losses.  In 2008, he ran a mediocre campaign and was only saved by the fact that the unemployment rate increased by over a percentage point during the campaign and that consumer confidence was so low.  No incumbent party survives that. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 17, 2011, 06:53:26 PM
The only difference between the two is that things are not looking up for Obama. In fact, there's a chance things will get worse. He has the luxury of the GOP running a bunch of crazies that he could beat with a 40% approval rating on election day.

No President gets reelected with a 40% approval rating. 
Prove it.

Here:

2004 Bush 48% Approval Won Reelection
1996 Clinton 54% Approval Won Reelection
1992 Bush 34% Approval Lost Reelection
1984 Reagan 58% Approval Won Reelection
1980 Carter 37% Approval Lost Reelection
1976 Ford 45% Approval Lost Reelection
1972 Nixon 56% Approval Won Reelection
1964 Johnson 74% Approval Won Reelection
1956 Eisenhower 68% Approval Won Reelection
1948 Truman stopped polling after July 1948



Looking at Bush and Ford, looks like 46-47% is the limit.

About right.

Having an effective campaign apparatus and not having an effective campaign apparatus may have been the difference between Ford 1976 and Bush 2004. Ford had no idea of how to run an effective campaign beyond a Congressional district, and the effective campaign apparatus (CREEP) of Nixon in 1972 was unusable. The Ford campaign made incredible blunders in using its resources. Ford at most would have won a nailbiter; he was not a great President, and the inflationary economy in a recession (stagflation) was not good for convincing anyone of the economic stewardship of the Administration. Dubya may have been a dreadful President, but the damage yet to do its damage had yet to manifest itself, and he got re-elected. He had been elected... sort of... but his campaign machine knew what to do.  

Add 5% to the polling for 2004 and you get the electoral result. Add 3% to the polling for 1976 and you get the result. Such is the difference between a President who had no idea of how to get elected outside a Congressional district and one had shown that he could be elected beforehand. (Of course, had the Iraq war gone badly or the speculative boom gone bust before the election, then he would have lost. He could have lost much like Jimmy Carter in 1976 had such happened).

The others:

1952 -- Dwight Eisenhower was wildly popular, but a natural ceiling of about 62% of the popular vote exists for any incumbent. Eisenhower didn't have much of a campaign, and didn't need one against the Democrat that he had defeated handily. Eisenhower fell short of that campaign largely because Southern segregationists distrusted him. They were morally wrong, but right about their observation.

1964 -- LBJ ran against someone easily depicted as a reckless extremist. He didn't need much of a campaign. The 62% ceiling for an incumbent President applies.

1972 -- Even with a ruthless campaign, Nixon was able to get 'only' about a 5% gain against someone that his campaign (and much else) depicted as an extremist.

1976 -- See above. Ford could have won against a weak challenger who wasn't that different in ideology.

1980 -- The Carter Presidency was certifiably of the weakest in post-WWII history, with few achievements to create a record and stagflation to wreck whatever chance he had of getting re-elected. The Carter campaign did the best that it could with the material that it had, gaining about 4% in the popular vote. There was an independent candidate (John Anderson) who might have cut into his vote share. Independent and third-party candidates can muck things up, and John Anderson may have won many votes of disgruntled Carter voters from 1976 who couldn't quite vote for Ronald Reagan. This one gets murky beyond saying that Carter would never have won in 1980.

1984 -- Reagan won about 58% of the popular vote, which is much less than the norm for the landslide in electoral votes that he got. It's hard to remember the re-election campaign of Ronald Reagan, so it probably wasn't great. Walter Mondale was no extremist -- a very conventional Democrat -- so the electoral circumstances weren't quite those of 1964 or 1972. No gain -- but a President who achieves his promises will win.

1992 and 1996 -- Third-party and independent candidacies muck things up. I can draw no conclusions, except that Bill Clinton would have won a bigger share of the popular vote without Ross Perot around.

2004. See above.

2012. Just watch events unfold. The electoral machine of Barack Obama and a repetition of the proved competence of this politician as a campaigner should give him about a 5% gain against his approval rating against someone that his staff can't dismiss as an extremist (probably Romney, maybe Huntsman, Pawlenty, Giuliani, or Huckabee) or about 7% against someone that his campaign can depict as an extremist (names withheld for reasons of decency). Of course opponents count, but some things about this President really are set in stone.  

Obama is vastly overrated as a campaigner.  If he was that great, he would have been able to go out in 2010 and sharply reduce Democratic losses.  In 2008, he ran a mediocre campaign and was only saved by the fact that the unemployment rate increased by over a percentage point during the campaign and that consumer confidence was so low.  No incumbent party survives that. 

Overrated?

1. He won Indiana, a state that Republican nominees for President simply do not lose. Sure, the President won under freakish circumstances, but the state was close all summer and fall.

2. He won Virginia, a state that Republican nominees for President simply do not lose, by a substantial margin. Virginia did not have one of the most ravaged economies in America.

3. He won North Carolina, a state that democrats had largely written off since 1980.

4. He did unusually well in Suburbia, suggesting that he had found a weakness in the usual appeals of Republicans in Suburbia -- tax cuts, tax cuts, and more tax cuts because your boss will be impressed.

This politician knows how to recognize weaknesses in his opposition and exploit them for every advantage more effectively than the usual nominee. He did not seek out opportunities that no longer existed.  Basically, he didn't campaign to win states that were out of reach that Bill Clinton won handily.

But even if you see his weaknesses as a politician -- basically that he can't successfully appeal to people in rural and small-town America -- you must admit that his campaign applied advertising funds effectively, cutting them off when they were futile and where the President was so far ahead (in states) that further saturation might be the difference between winning 56% of the vote and 59% of the vote.

He does not win where government services are available cheaply, so I expect him to do badly in the Great Plains states.

2010 -- he campaigned little. He was too busy with Congress. In 2012 that will be very different.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on July 17, 2011, 07:00:52 PM
The only difference between the two is that things are not looking up for Obama. In fact, there's a chance things will get worse. He has the luxury of the GOP running a bunch of crazies that he could beat with a 40% approval rating on election day.

No President gets reelected with a 40% approval rating. 
Prove it.

Here:

2004 Bush 48% Approval Won Reelection
1996 Clinton 54% Approval Won Reelection
1992 Bush 34% Approval Lost Reelection
1984 Reagan 58% Approval Won Reelection
1980 Carter 37% Approval Lost Reelection
1976 Ford 45% Approval Lost Reelection
1972 Nixon 56% Approval Won Reelection
1964 Johnson 74% Approval Won Reelection
1956 Eisenhower 68% Approval Won Reelection
1948 Truman stopped polling after July 1948



Looking at Bush and Ford, looks like 46-47% is the limit.

About right.

Having an effective campaign apparatus and not having an effective campaign apparatus may have been the difference between Ford 1976 and Bush 2004. Ford had no idea of how to run an effective campaign beyond a Congressional district, and the effective campaign apparatus (CREEP) of Nixon in 1972 was unusable. The Ford campaign made incredible blunders in using its resources. Ford at most would have won a nailbiter; he was not a great President, and the inflationary economy in a recession (stagflation) was not good for convincing anyone of the economic stewardship of the Administration. Dubya may have been a dreadful President, but the damage yet to do its damage had yet to manifest itself, and he got re-elected. He had been elected... sort of... but his campaign machine knew what to do.  

Add 5% to the polling for 2004 and you get the electoral result. Add 3% to the polling for 1976 and you get the result. Such is the difference between a President who had no idea of how to get elected outside a Congressional district and one had shown that he could be elected beforehand. (Of course, had the Iraq war gone badly or the speculative boom gone bust before the election, then he would have lost. He could have lost much like Jimmy Carter in 1976 had such happened).

The others:

1952 -- Dwight Eisenhower was wildly popular, but a natural ceiling of about 62% of the popular vote exists for any incumbent. Eisenhower didn't have much of a campaign, and didn't need one against the Democrat that he had defeated handily. Eisenhower fell short of that campaign largely because Southern segregationists distrusted him. They were morally wrong, but right about their observation.

1964 -- LBJ ran against someone easily depicted as a reckless extremist. He didn't need much of a campaign. The 62% ceiling for an incumbent President applies.

1972 -- Even with a ruthless campaign, Nixon was able to get 'only' about a 5% gain against someone that his campaign (and much else) depicted as an extremist.

1976 -- See above. Ford could have won against a weak challenger who wasn't that different in ideology.

1980 -- The Carter Presidency was certifiably of the weakest in post-WWII history, with few achievements to create a record and stagflation to wreck whatever chance he had of getting re-elected. The Carter campaign did the best that it could with the material that it had, gaining about 4% in the popular vote. There was an independent candidate (John Anderson) who might have cut into his vote share. Independent and third-party candidates can muck things up, and John Anderson may have won many votes of disgruntled Carter voters from 1976 who couldn't quite vote for Ronald Reagan. This one gets murky beyond saying that Carter would never have won in 1980.

1984 -- Reagan won about 58% of the popular vote, which is much less than the norm for the landslide in electoral votes that he got. It's hard to remember the re-election campaign of Ronald Reagan, so it probably wasn't great. Walter Mondale was no extremist -- a very conventional Democrat -- so the electoral circumstances weren't quite those of 1964 or 1972. No gain -- but a President who achieves his promises will win.

1992 and 1996 -- Third-party and independent candidacies muck things up. I can draw no conclusions, except that Bill Clinton would have won a bigger share of the popular vote without Ross Perot around.

2004. See above.

2012. Just watch events unfold. The electoral machine of Barack Obama and a repetition of the proved competence of this politician as a campaigner should give him about a 5% gain against his approval rating against someone that his staff can't dismiss as an extremist (probably Romney, maybe Huntsman, Pawlenty, Giuliani, or Huckabee) or about 7% against someone that his campaign can depict as an extremist (names withheld for reasons of decency). Of course opponents count, but some things about this President really are set in stone.  

Obama is vastly overrated as a campaigner.  If he was that great, he would have been able to go out in 2010 and sharply reduce Democratic losses.  In 2008, he ran a mediocre campaign and was only saved by the fact that the unemployment rate increased by over a percentage point during the campaign and that consumer confidence was so low.  No incumbent party survives that. 

Overrated?

1. He won Indiana, a state that Republican nominees for President simply do not lose. Sure, the President won under freakish circumstances, but the state was close all summer and fall.

2. He won Virginia, a state that Republican nominees for President simply do not lose, by a substantial margin. Virginia did not have one of the most ravaged economies in America.

3. He won North Carolina, a state that democrats had largely written off since 1980.

4. He did unusually well in Suburbia, suggesting that he had found a weakness in the usual appeals of Republicans in Suburbia -- tax cuts, tax cuts, and more tax cuts because your boss will be impressed.

This politician knows how to recognize weaknesses in his opposition and exploit them for every advantage more effectively than the usual nominee. He did not seek out opportunities that no longer existed.  Basically, he didn't campaign to win states that were out of reach that Bill Clinton won handily.

But even if you see his weaknesses as a politician -- basically that he can't successfully appeal to people in rural and small-town America -- you must admit that his campaign applied advertising funds effectively, cutting them off when they were futile and where the President was so far ahead (in states) that further saturation might be the difference between winning 56% of the vote and 59% of the vote.

He does not win where government services are available cheaply, so I expect him to do badly in the Great Plains states.

2010 -- he campaigned little. He was too busy with Congress. In 2012 that will be very different.

He didnt win Indiana and Virginia because he is a good politician or campaigner, he won because the economy was so bad nationally. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Person Man on July 17, 2011, 07:40:37 PM
The only difference between the two is that things are not looking up for Obama. In fact, there's a chance things will get worse. He has the luxury of the GOP running a bunch of crazies that he could beat with a 40% approval rating on election day.

No President gets reelected with a 40% approval rating. 
Prove it.

Here:

2004 Bush 48% Approval Won Reelection
1996 Clinton 54% Approval Won Reelection
1992 Bush 34% Approval Lost Reelection
1984 Reagan 58% Approval Won Reelection
1980 Carter 37% Approval Lost Reelection
1976 Ford 45% Approval Lost Reelection
1972 Nixon 56% Approval Won Reelection
1964 Johnson 74% Approval Won Reelection
1956 Eisenhower 68% Approval Won Reelection
1948 Truman stopped polling after July 1948



Looking at Bush and Ford, looks like 46-47% is the limit.

About right.

Having an effective campaign apparatus and not having an effective campaign apparatus may have been the difference between Ford 1976 and Bush 2004. Ford had no idea of how to run an effective campaign beyond a Congressional district, and the effective campaign apparatus (CREEP) of Nixon in 1972 was unusable. The Ford campaign made incredible blunders in using its resources. Ford at most would have won a nailbiter; he was not a great President, and the inflationary economy in a recession (stagflation) was not good for convincing anyone of the economic stewardship of the Administration. Dubya may have been a dreadful President, but the damage yet to do its damage had yet to manifest itself, and he got re-elected. He had been elected... sort of... but his campaign machine knew what to do.   

Add 5% to the polling for 2004 and you get the electoral result. Add 3% to the polling for 1976 and you get the result. Such is the difference between a President who had no idea of how to get elected outside a Congressional district and one had shown that he could be elected beforehand. (Of course, had the Iraq war gone badly or the speculative boom gone bust before the election, then he would have lost. He could have lost much like Jimmy Carter in 1976 had such happened).

The others:

1952 -- Dwight Eisenhower was wildly popular, but a natural ceiling of about 62% of the popular vote exists for any incumbent. Eisenhower didn't have much of a campaign, and didn't need one against the Democrat that he had defeated handily. Eisenhower fell short of that campaign largely because Southern segregationists distrusted him. They were morally wrong, but right about their observation.

1964 -- LBJ ran against someone easily depicted as a reckless extremist. He didn't need much of a campaign. The 62% ceiling for an incumbent President applies.

1972 -- Even with a ruthless campaign, Nixon was able to get 'only' about a 5% gain against someone that his campaign (and much else) depicted as an extremist.

1976 -- See above. Ford could have won against a weak challenger who wasn't that different in ideology.

1980 -- The Carter Presidency was certifiably of the weakest in post-WWII history, with few achievements to create a record and stagflation to wreck whatever chance he had of getting re-elected. The Carter campaign did the best that it could with the material that it had, gaining about 4% in the popular vote. There was an independent candidate (John Anderson) who might have cut into his vote share. Independent and third-party candidates can muck things up, and John Anderson may have won many votes of disgruntled Carter voters from 1976 who couldn't quite vote for Ronald Reagan. This one gets murky beyond saying that Carter would never have won in 1980.

1984 -- Reagan won about 58% of the popular vote, which is much less than the norm for the landslide in electoral votes that he got. It's hard to remember the re-election campaign of Ronald Reagan, so it probably wasn't great. Walter Mondale was no extremist -- a very conventional Democrat -- so the electoral circumstances weren't quite those of 1964 or 1972. No gain -- but a President who achieves his promises will win.

1992 and 1996 -- Third-party and independent candidacies muck things up. I can draw no conclusions, except that Bill Clinton would have won a bigger share of the popular vote without Ross Perot around.

2004. See above.

2012. Just watch events unfold. The electoral machine of Barack Obama and a repetition of the proved competence of this politician as a campaigner should give him about a 5% gain against his approval rating against someone that his staff can't dismiss as an extremist (probably Romney, maybe Huntsman, Pawlenty, Giuliani, or Huckabee) or about 7% against someone that his campaign can depict as an extremist (names withheld for reasons of decency). Of course opponents count, but some things about this President really are set in stone. 

Obama is vastly overrated as a campaigner.  If he was that great, he would have been able to go out in 2010 and sharply reduce Democratic losses.  In 2008, he ran a mediocre campaign and was only saved by the fact that the unemployment rate increased by over a percentage point during the campaign and that consumer confidence was so low.  No incumbent party survives that. 

Overrated?

1. He won Indiana, a state that Republican nominees for President simply do not lose. Sure, the President won under freakish circumstances, but the state was close all summer and fall.

2. He won Virginia, a state that Republican nominees for President simply do not lose, by a substantial margin. Virginia did not have one of the most ravaged economies in America.

3. He won North Carolina, a state that democrats had largely written off since 1980.

4. He did unusually well in Suburbia, suggesting that he had found a weakness in the usual appeals of Republicans in Suburbia -- tax cuts, tax cuts, and more tax cuts because your boss will be impressed.

This politician knows how to recognize weaknesses in his opposition and exploit them for every advantage more effectively than the usual nominee. He did not seek out opportunities that no longer existed.  Basically, he didn't campaign to win states that were out of reach that Bill Clinton won handily.

But even if you see his weaknesses as a politician -- basically that he can't successfully appeal to people in rural and small-town America -- you must admit that his campaign applied advertising funds effectively, cutting them off when they were futile and where the President was so far ahead (in states) that further saturation might be the difference between winning 56% of the vote and 59% of the vote.

He does not win where government services are available cheaply, so I expect him to do badly in the Great Plains states.

2010 -- he campaigned little. He was too busy with Congress. In 2012 that will be very different.

He didnt win Indiana and Virginia because he is a good politician or campaigner, he won because the economy was so bad nationally. 

That seems to be an oversimplification.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 17, 2011, 07:52:38 PM
The only difference between the two is that things are not looking up for Obama. In fact, there's a chance things will get worse. He has the luxury of the GOP running a bunch of crazies that he could beat with a 40% approval rating on election day.

No President gets reelected with a 40% approval rating. 
Prove it.

Here:

2004 Bush 48% Approval Won Reelection
1996 Clinton 54% Approval Won Reelection
1992 Bush 34% Approval Lost Reelection
1984 Reagan 58% Approval Won Reelection
1980 Carter 37% Approval Lost Reelection
1976 Ford 45% Approval Lost Reelection
1972 Nixon 56% Approval Won Reelection
1964 Johnson 74% Approval Won Reelection
1956 Eisenhower 68% Approval Won Reelection
1948 Truman stopped polling after July 1948



You have look at when they had these numbers.  Both Reagan and Clinton hit 37% in their first term, on Gallup.  Both were in an upswing at this point, well off their lows.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on July 17, 2011, 08:00:36 PM
Has there ever been a nominee as strongly favored and well-positioned as Hillary who didn't win the nomination?  If you want to pretend Obama's political skill is comparable to that of Ford (who never won a race bigger than a congressional district) knock yourself out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on July 17, 2011, 08:48:03 PM
The only difference between the two is that things are not looking up for Obama. In fact, there's a chance things will get worse. He has the luxury of the GOP running a bunch of crazies that he could beat with a 40% approval rating on election day.

No President gets reelected with a 40% approval rating. 
Prove it.

Here:

2004 Bush 48% Approval Won Reelection
1996 Clinton 54% Approval Won Reelection
1992 Bush 34% Approval Lost Reelection
1984 Reagan 58% Approval Won Reelection
1980 Carter 37% Approval Lost Reelection
1976 Ford 45% Approval Lost Reelection
1972 Nixon 56% Approval Won Reelection
1964 Johnson 74% Approval Won Reelection
1956 Eisenhower 68% Approval Won Reelection
1948 Truman stopped polling after July 1948



You have look at when they had these numbers.  Both Reagan and Clinton hit 37% in their first term, on Gallup.  Both were in an upswing at this point, well off their lows.

They had these numbers in October of their reelection for the most part. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: "'Oeps!' De blunders van Rick Perry Indicted" on July 17, 2011, 10:35:43 PM
Has there ever been a nominee as strongly favored and well-positioned as Hillary who didn't win the nomination?  If you want to pretend Obama's political skill is comparable to that of Ford (who never won a race bigger than a congressional district) knock yourself out.

Excluding incumbents who dropped out (Truman, LBJ) or candidates who self-destructed (Hart), Muskie comes to mind. And nobody he ran against (certainly not McGovern) had anywhere near the charisma of Obama or even Edwards. Kennedy also started as a near-shoo-in against Carter, though primarying an incumbent is always tricky.

Unless they're under siege in some dramatic way, I think most presidents start off with the presumption that they are political savants; it's like the early SNL joke about Ford, "If He's So Dumb, How Come He's President?" The Bush I team were considered Machivellian geniuses as late as the Clarence Thomas hearings in Oct. '91. This (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=y7wlAAAAIBAJ&sjid=c_MFAAAAIBAJ&pg=3171,863212&hl=en) William Safire column from June '80 notes the "conventional wisdom" that Carter is "an inept president but a great political campaigner."



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on July 17, 2011, 10:43:45 PM
The only difference between the two is that things are not looking up for Obama. In fact, there's a chance things will get worse. He has the luxury of the GOP running a bunch of crazies that he could beat with a 40% approval rating on election day.

No President gets reelected with a 40% approval rating. 
Prove it.

Here:

2004 Bush 48% Approval Won Reelection
1996 Clinton 54% Approval Won Reelection
1992 Bush 34% Approval Lost Reelection
1984 Reagan 58% Approval Won Reelection
1980 Carter 37% Approval Lost Reelection
1976 Ford 45% Approval Lost Reelection
1972 Nixon 56% Approval Won Reelection
1964 Johnson 74% Approval Won Reelection
1956 Eisenhower 68% Approval Won Reelection
1948 Truman stopped polling after July 1948



You have look at when they had these numbers.  Both Reagan and Clinton hit 37% in their first term, on Gallup.  Both were in an upswing at this point, well off their lows.
The quality of the opponent also matters. I think Obama's approval would need to drop under 35% for him to lose to Palin, but only under 45% to lose to Romney, maybe even higher.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on July 17, 2011, 10:53:15 PM
Has there ever been a nominee as strongly favored and well-positioned as Hillary who didn't win the nomination?  If you want to pretend Obama's political skill is comparable to that of Ford (who never won a race bigger than a congressional district) knock yourself out.

Excluding incumbents who dropped out (Truman, LBJ) or candidates who self-destructed (Hart), Muskie comes to mind. And nobody he ran against (certainly not McGovern) had anywhere near the charisma of Obama or even Edwards. Kennedy also started as a near-shoo-in against Carter, though primarying an incumbent is always tricky.

Unless they're under siege in some dramatic way, I think most presidents start off with the presumption that they are political savants; it's like the early SNL joke about Ford, "If He's So Dumb, How Come He's President?" The Bush I team were considered Machivellian geniuses as late as the Clarence Thomas hearings in Oct. '91. This (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=y7wlAAAAIBAJ&sjid=c_MFAAAAIBAJ&pg=3171,863212&hl=en) William Safire column from June '80 notes the "conventional wisdom" that Carter is "an inept president but a great political campaigner."


There are three incumbents on that list who lost re-election.  Safire's hyperbole notwithstanding, none were remotely close to Obama in political talent.  Two of the presidents lost to opponents who were way more talented campaigners, the other had never won a race bigger than a CD.  And none were dealing with a conspicuously obstructionist congress.  This doesn't mean he can't lose or his approval rating isn't a factor.  But it does mean we should hesitate to extrapolate x is the approval rating cut-off from that very limited data from dissimilar circumstances.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 17, 2011, 11:19:45 PM
The only difference between the two is that things are not looking up for Obama. In fact, there's a chance things will get worse. He has the luxury of the GOP running a bunch of crazies that he could beat with a 40% approval rating on election day.

No President gets reelected with a 40% approval rating. 
Prove it.

Here:

2004 Bush 48% Approval Won Reelection
1996 Clinton 54% Approval Won Reelection
1992 Bush 34% Approval Lost Reelection
1984 Reagan 58% Approval Won Reelection
1980 Carter 37% Approval Lost Reelection
1976 Ford 45% Approval Lost Reelection
1972 Nixon 56% Approval Won Reelection
1964 Johnson 74% Approval Won Reelection
1956 Eisenhower 68% Approval Won Reelection
1948 Truman stopped polling after July 1948



You have look at when they had these numbers.  Both Reagan and Clinton hit 37% in their first term, on Gallup.  Both were in an upswing at this point, well off their lows.

What will matter more is where the President is in October 2012. One cannot predict that. One can predict, however, that he will need an approval rating in the high 40s to have a good chance at being re-elected. 48% or higher? He wins. Dubya won with that.

It doesn't matter how he gets to where he is unless it is a late free-fall (in such a case, everyone will know what is going on). This will be after substantial campaigning.

The "add 6" rule that I have derived from what Nate Silver says about incumbent Senators and Governors winning in their states applies to the beginning of a campaign season -- as an average -- for an average campaigner, with average luck on foreign affairs and economics, with average ability (for the office) as a campaigner, and an average quality of campaign staff for the office -- and an opponent of "average" ability and appropriateness for the office. The Presidency is in effect a contest of one mayoral race (District of Columbia), five congressional races (Maine and Nebraska), and fifty statewide Gubernatorial or Senatorial races.   

There might be other ways in which to lose a re-election bid for President, but since 1908 those have been five of thirteen. The losers are:


1. William Howard Taft, 1908. Not a great President; he faced a challenge from his own Party from someone who had been a certifiably-great President.

2. Herbert Hoover, 1932.  Gravely mishandled the economic meltdown of 1929-1932.

3. Gerald Ford, 1976. He had never run for any statewide office, and it shows.

4. Jimmy Carter, 1980. Underachiever as President. Stagflation and the Iranian hostage situation hurt, but any one of those three characteristics should have made him a one-term President.

5. George W. Bush, 1992. Rode the record of one of the most effective Presidents but didn't know what to do after the fall of Communism and defeating Saddam Hussein in the first Gulf War.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 18, 2011, 12:32:07 AM
The only difference between the two is that things are not looking up for Obama. In fact, there's a chance things will get worse. He has the luxury of the GOP running a bunch of crazies that he could beat with a 40% approval rating on election day.

No President gets reelected with a 40% approval rating. 
Prove it.

Here:

2004 Bush 48% Approval Won Reelection
1996 Clinton 54% Approval Won Reelection
1992 Bush 34% Approval Lost Reelection
1984 Reagan 58% Approval Won Reelection
1980 Carter 37% Approval Lost Reelection
1976 Ford 45% Approval Lost Reelection
1972 Nixon 56% Approval Won Reelection
1964 Johnson 74% Approval Won Reelection
1956 Eisenhower 68% Approval Won Reelection
1948 Truman stopped polling after July 1948



You have look at when they had these numbers.  Both Reagan and Clinton hit 37% in their first term, on Gallup.  Both were in an upswing at this point, well off their lows.

They had these numbers in October of their reelection for the most part. 

This isn't October 2012.  :)  I try to do point in time comparisons.  Yes, if Obama is at 62% in October 2012, he'll probably win.  Yes, if he is 38% in October 2012, he'll probably lose.  It does not follow that we can tell that today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: "'Oeps!' De blunders van Rick Perry Indicted" on July 18, 2011, 02:57:46 AM
There are three incumbents on that list who lost re-election.  Safire's hyperbole notwithstanding, none were remotely close to Obama in political talent.  Two of the presidents lost to opponents who were way more talented campaigners, the other had never won a race bigger than a CD.  And none were dealing with a conspicuously obstructionist congress.  This doesn't mean he can't lose or his approval rating isn't a factor.  But it does mean we should hesitate to extrapolate x is the approval rating cut-off from that very limited data from dissimilar circumstances.

Is Obama more of a political talent than Ford, Carter or Bush 1? Yeah, almost certainly (not that this is a high bar to clear). But again, at the start of the '92 election, Bush was not thought of as a political no-talent but as a guy who decimated Dukakis after trailing by 17 points. Carter was perceived as an ex-peanut farmer who became president kinda miraculously after serving a single gubernatorial term. "Safire's hyperbole" was not his own view, but a recitation of the CW about Carter - this Guardian postmortem (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/1980/nov/06/usa.haroldjackson) on the campaign describes "electioneering" as the "one skill" Carter "was reputed to have." Basically, anyone talented enough to get elected president is going to be thought of as a highly talented campaigner. Obama's really not unique in that regard.

In point of fact, Ford and Bush did have hostile opposition congresses, which they tried to run against, Truman-style, before moving on to other strategies (check their convention acceptance speeches).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 18, 2011, 09:51:47 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, u.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on July 18, 2011, 04:14:31 PM
There are three incumbents on that list who lost re-election.  Safire's hyperbole notwithstanding, none were remotely close to Obama in political talent.  Two of the presidents lost to opponents who were way more talented campaigners, the other had never won a race bigger than a CD.  And none were dealing with a conspicuously obstructionist congress.  This doesn't mean he can't lose or his approval rating isn't a factor.  But it does mean we should hesitate to extrapolate x is the approval rating cut-off from that very limited data from dissimilar circumstances.

Is Obama more of a political talent than Ford, Carter or Bush 1? Yeah, almost certainly (not that this is a high bar to clear). But again, at the start of the '92 election, Bush was not thought of as a political no-talent but as a guy who decimated Dukakis after trailing by 17 points. Carter was perceived as an ex-peanut farmer who became president kinda miraculously after serving a single gubernatorial term. "Safire's hyperbole" was not his own view, but a recitation of the CW about Carter - this Guardian postmortem (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/1980/nov/06/usa.haroldjackson) on the campaign describes "electioneering" as the "one skill" Carter "was reputed to have." Basically, anyone talented enough to get elected president is going to be thought of as a highly talented campaigner. Obama's really not unique in that regard.

In point of fact, Ford and Bush did have hostile opposition congresses, which they tried to run against, Truman-style, before moving on to other strategies (check their convention acceptance speeches).

Bush Sr had beaten an inept national candidate Mike Dukakis, then faced Bill Clinton for re-election. Jimmy Carter had beaten a fairly weak candidate who'd never won more than a CD and pardoned Nixon without explaining himself, then faced Reagan for re-election.  Carter's primary win wasn't unimpressive but nowhere close to what Obama pulled off beating Hillary Clinton for the nomination.  And whichever Republican he faces won't be nearly as tough as Reagan or Clinton.

I don't believe the Democratic congress in 76 and 92 was perceived as anywhere close to as obstructionist or radical as this GOP one is so the fact that Ford or Bush Sr tried to swipe at them tells me little.  Simply put, Ford losing with 45% approval doesn't convince me Obama can't win with lower approval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 19, 2011, 08:50:37 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, -1.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 19, 2011, 12:47:43 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, -1.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.


This looks like big, real slippage.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 19, 2011, 02:15:58 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, -1.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.


This looks like big, real slippage.

I take it you are being sarcastic.  Maybe we have some polarization, but I'd still a few days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 19, 2011, 02:35:07 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, -1.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.


This looks like big, real slippage.

I take it you are being sarcastic.  Maybe we have some polarization, but I'd still a few days.

No sarcasm. I don't understand why the slippage is there, but it can be real before anyone has a viable explanation.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on July 19, 2011, 02:43:51 PM
I'd presume that Obama's problem here is the budget negotiation. Not that I think Republicans are winning -- instead, I presume both Republicans and Obama are losing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 19, 2011, 03:40:51 PM

No sarcasm. I don't understand why the slippage is there, but it can be real before anyone has a viable explanation.

The bad sample at the start of the week that dropped out.  It inflated Obama's good numbers a bit.  When it drops out, it looks like his numbers were lower.  I'm looking at greater polarization, with both "Strongly" numbers going up from where they were, at least before the bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 19, 2011, 05:08:47 PM
I'd presume that Obama's problem here is the budget negotiation. Not that I think Republicans are winning -- instead, I presume both Republicans and Obama are losing.

Possible. I see nobody coming out of these budget negotiations unscathed. It looks like a lose-lose proposition for everyone.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on July 19, 2011, 05:44:31 PM
Generic GOP 47%
Barack Obama 41%

http://www.rasmussenreports.co​m/public_content/politics/elec​tions/election_2012/election_2​012_presidential_election/gene​ric_presidential_ballot/electi​on_2012_generic_presidential_b​allot


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 19, 2011, 07:59:28 PM
Generic GOP 47%
Barack Obama 41%

http://www.rasmussenreports.co​m/public_content/politics/elec​tions/election_2012/election_2​012_presidential_election/gene​ric_presidential_ballot/electi​on_2012_generic_presidential_b​allot

That figure is surprising.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on July 20, 2011, 03:02:41 AM
Not really. It's a generic R, not any named candidate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 20, 2011, 08:48:16 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, u.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 20, 2011, 08:51:09 AM
Generic GOP 47%
Barack Obama 41%

http://www.rasmussenreports.co​m/public_content/politics/elec​tions/election_2012/election_2​012_presidential_election/gene​ric_presidential_ballot/electi​on_2012_generic_presidential_b​allot

Basically it is Barack Obama against someone who doesn't exist -- someone with no regional identity, someone who can bring economic miracles (like restoring the health of the housing industry promptly), and able to satisfy the Tea Party base without offending "moderates" while peeling away Democratic-leaning independent voters.  

I can think of a perfect island. It is spectacularly beautiful, has a pleasant climate, good harbors, attractive and friendly natives, and no pirates or tropical diseases. Its location is 40 North Latitude and 160 West Longitude. Good as it is, it must have the quality of existence.  

Of course there is no such island.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on July 20, 2011, 10:25:20 AM
I can think of a perfect island. It is spectacularly beautiful, has a pleasant climate, good harbors, attractive and friendly natives, and no pirates or tropical diseases. Its location is 40 North Latitude and 160 West Longitude. Good as it is, it must have the quality of existence.  

Of course there is no such island.

It sounds like you described Hawaii to a T, except for the 40 North Latitude part. Think you can live with all but an arbitrary designation of latitude?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: krazen1211 on July 20, 2011, 10:39:06 AM
http://dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/7/14

Kos: 44/52


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 20, 2011, 11:30:36 AM
I can think of a perfect island. It is spectacularly beautiful, has a pleasant climate, good harbors, attractive and friendly natives, and no pirates or tropical diseases. Its location is 40 North Latitude and 160 West Longitude. Good as it is, it must have the quality of existence.  

Of course there is no such island.

It sounds like you described Hawaii to a T, except for the 40 North Latitude part. Think you can live with all but an arbitrary designation of latitude?

At 40 North the climate would be much like San Francisco. The place exists, all right - as open ocean. It's a parody of a critique of Pascal's "proof" of the existence of God. There is no island, of course, and there is no perfect example of a "Generic Republican" who could easily defeat President Obama. Besides, "Generic Republican" and "Generic Democrat" go into hibernation as the primaries begin, and we are stuck with real persons with real faults and vulnerabilities.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on July 20, 2011, 01:28:35 PM
http://dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/7/14

Kos: 44/52

wow ! and the favorability is bad too (45/50). Hispanics and independents  are unhappy ! cfr economy

The party sample is D +4, correct for me.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 20, 2011, 09:17:36 PM
PPP will have Michigan and Virginia this weekend.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on July 21, 2011, 12:23:07 AM
I'm going to be very very interested in those numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on July 21, 2011, 01:12:54 AM
It's a parody of a critique of Pascal's "proof" of the existence of God.

Anselm's.

I completely agree with the rest of the paragraph though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 21, 2011, 08:37:09 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, +1.

Disapprove 53%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 21, 2011, 09:33:52 AM
Ohio, as critical a state as there is:

Quote
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1322.xml?ReleaseID=1626

July 21, 2011 - Ohio Voters Like Republicans Less Than Obama, Quinnipiac University Poll Finds; But Romney Trails By Only 4 Points

Although Ohio voters split 46 - 47 percent on whether President Barack Obama deserves a second term, and they give him a negative 46 - 50 percent job approval, he defeats four leading Republican presidential contenders, three by double digits, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

President Obama leads Romney 45 - 41; tops Palin 51 - 35 percent; beats Bachmann 49 - 36 percent and leads Perry 47 - 35 percent.

"Ohio voters may not be wild about President Barack Obama, but at this point they appear to like his potential Republican challengers less, and in some cases a lot less," said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

"His middling job and re-election ratings show that there may be a potential opportunity to defeat President Obama in 2012 in Ohio, but for that to occur the GOP will have to nominate a candidate that can capture the public's imagination to a degree not yet evident."

Maybe Americans are just getting fussier about political results, and such hits all elected officials and candidates similarly. After what they had as President between 2001 and 2008, they should be fussier.


Current map:


 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  120
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   119
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 77
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  54
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  53
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   16





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Here's the rationale:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html

...and I am less charitable to an incumbent President than is Nate Silver.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  122
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   113
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 83
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  0
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  11
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but  Romney 23
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  35
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 87
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: SUSAN CRUSHBONE on July 21, 2011, 12:50:55 PM

             
deep red                 Obama 10% margin or greater  136
medium red           Obama, 5-9.9% margin   88
pale red                  Obama, margin under 5% 63
white                       too close to call (margin 1% or less)  0
yellow                     close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  11
orange                    close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
dark green             Obama wins against all but  Romney 21
dark yellow            Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  35
lime green              close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 69
pale blue                 Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue          Republican  5-9.9% margin  0
deep blue                Republican over 10%  18  
grey                          No polling yet  82

Fixed.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 22, 2011, 08:36:55 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46, +1.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: krazen1211 on July 22, 2011, 01:19:20 PM
CNN: 45/54.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/22/cnn-poll-drop-in-liberal-support-pushes-obama-approval-rating-down/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on July 22, 2011, 02:34:59 PM
Are we gonna have an election where the Democrat is touting his national security credentials while the Republican is campaigning on the economy?  How ironic....


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tpfkaw on July 22, 2011, 02:46:12 PM
Are we gonna have an election where the Democrat is touting his national security credentials while the Republican is campaigning on the economy?  How ironic....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1968


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 22, 2011, 04:23:28 PM
Ohio, as critical a state as there is:

Quote
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1322.xml?ReleaseID=1626

July 21, 2011 - Ohio Voters Like Republicans Less Than Obama, Quinnipiac University Poll Finds; But Romney Trails By Only 4 Points

Although Ohio voters split 46 - 47 percent on whether President Barack Obama deserves a second term, and they give him a negative 46 - 50 percent job approval, he defeats four leading Republican presidential contenders, three by double digits, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

President Obama leads Romney 45 - 41; tops Palin 51 - 35 percent; beats Bachmann 49 - 36 percent and leads Perry 47 - 35 percent.

"Ohio voters may not be wild about President Barack Obama, but at this point they appear to like his potential Republican challengers less, and in some cases a lot less," said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

"His middling job and re-election ratings show that there may be a potential opportunity to defeat President Obama in 2012 in Ohio, but for that to occur the GOP will have to nominate a candidate that can capture the public's imagination to a degree not yet evident."

Maybe Americans are just getting fussier about political results, and such hits all elected officials and candidates similarly. After what they had as President between 2001 and 2008, they should be fussier.


Current map:


 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


           
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  120
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   119
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 77
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  54
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  53
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   16





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Here's the rationale:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html

...and I am less charitable to an incumbent President than is Nate Silver.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  122
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   113
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 83
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  0
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  11
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but  Romney 23
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  35
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 87
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18  



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: SUSAN CRUSHBONE on July 23, 2011, 12:42:03 AM

             
deep red                 Obama 10% margin or greater  136
medium red           Obama, 5-9.9% margin   88
pale red                  Obama, margin under 5% 63
white                       too close to call (margin 1% or less)  0
yellow                     close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  11
orange                    close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
dark green             Obama wins against all but  Romney 21
dark yellow            Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  35
lime green              close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 69
pale blue                 Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue          Republican  5-9.9% margin  0
deep blue                Republican over 10%  18  
grey                          No polling yet  82

Fixed.

             
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  122
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   113
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 83
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  0
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  11
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but  Romney 23
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  35
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 87
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18 

*Ahem*


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: zorkpolitics on July 23, 2011, 05:25:11 PM
Obama average approval now at -3.1  (RealClear), he has been in negative territory for about 2 weeks, I expect he get some sort a bump when the debt ceiling is raised and he takes credit for whatever "compromise" occurs.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 23, 2011, 05:47:26 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, -1.

Disapprove 54%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +2.

A definite drop, but it just could a very bad anti-Obama sample moving through the system.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on July 23, 2011, 11:23:07 PM
CNN: 45/54.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/22/cnn-poll-drop-in-liberal-support-pushes-obama-approval-rating-down/

From the article:

"Looking at that figure another way, roughly one in four Americans who disapprove of the president say they feel that way because he's not been liberal enough."

And approximately 0-2% of those will vote for Romney or (especially) Bachmann. And not that much more will refuse to turn out when all is said and done.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on July 23, 2011, 11:26:07 PM
CNN: 45/54.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/22/cnn-poll-drop-in-liberal-support-pushes-obama-approval-rating-down/

From the article:

"Looking at that figure another way, roughly one in four Americans who disapprove of the president say they feel that way because he's not been liberal enough."

And approximately 0-2% of those will vote for Romney or (especially) Bachmann. And not that much more will refuse to turn out when all is said and done.



Obama is probably mad that repealing DADT wasn't enough to buy the support of those people that he's spent the last 2.5 years stabbing in the back. Damn those multi-issue voters.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 24, 2011, 08:37:42 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, u.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, +2.

Bad sample?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CultureKing on July 24, 2011, 05:14:51 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, u.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, +2.

Bad sample?

I think it's more the American public beginning to realize the seriousness of the budget cap debate... And while it's effecting Obama's approval I wouldn't be surprised if congressional dems and republicans also take dives soon. Which could mean that Obama may look artificially weak (especially when you consider the number of dems that disapprove because he has led without balls but would still vote for Obama in the next election.)

In other words people are angry but due to divided government are having a hard time directing/focusing that anger on any one player.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 25, 2011, 08:49:11 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, -1.

Disapprove 55%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, u.

If this is a bad sample, it should be out tomorrow.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 26, 2011, 09:12:34 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, u.

Disapprove 55%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -1.

Obama's numbers have declined, but are not in free fall.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 26, 2011, 03:07:55 PM
Virginia Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 47%
Disapprove...................................................... 48%
Not sure .......................................................... 5%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Michele Bachmann, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 49%
Michele Bachmann ......................................... 40%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Herman Cain, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 49%
Herman Cain................................................... 38%
Undecided....................................................... 13%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 37%
Undecided....................................................... 12%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Rick
Perry, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 48%
Rick Perry ....................................................... 39%
Undecided....................................................... 13%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 47%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 43%
Undecided....................................................... 11%


Current map:


 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  135
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin   80
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 83
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  54
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  53
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   16





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Here's the rationale:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html

...and I am less charitable to an incumbent President than is Nate Silver.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  135
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    74
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 63
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  0
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  11
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but  Romney 21
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  35
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 87
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  0
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18  



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 27, 2011, 10:10:58 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, +1.

Disapprove 54%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 27, 2011, 01:11:22 PM
Quote
Michigan Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 50%
Disapprove...................................................... 46%
Not sure .......................................................... 4%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Michele Bachmann, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 53%
Michele Bachmann ......................................... 37%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Herman Cain, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 50%
Herman Cain................................................... 33%
Undecided....................................................... 17%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Thad McCotter, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 50%
Thad McCotter ................................................ 31%
Undecided....................................................... 19%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 54%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 36%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_MI_727930.pdf


Current map:


 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


           
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  135
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    90
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 67
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  54
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  53
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   16





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Here's the rationale:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html

...and I am less charitable to an incumbent President than is Nate Silver.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  135
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    90
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 63
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  0
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  11
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but  Romney 21
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  35
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 87
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  0
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18  



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on July 27, 2011, 01:14:33 PM
Obama average approval now at -3.1  (RealClear), he has been in negative territory for about 2 weeks, I expect he get some sort a bump when the debt ceiling is raised and he takes credit for whatever "compromise" occurs.

Bet no bump and bet Obama doesn't expect one.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on July 27, 2011, 02:26:07 PM
Obama average approval now at -3.1  (RealClear), he has been in negative territory for about 2 weeks, I expect he get some sort a bump when the debt ceiling is raised and he takes credit for whatever "compromise" occurs.

Bet no bump and bet Obama doesn't expect one.

That would be President Obama vs. the Congressional GOP, anyway, which has more significance in House and Senate races than for the Presidency. Mitt Romney has been able to keep his mouth shut (I think wisely) on a topic that can do him no good in a head-to-head matchup with the President.

It's hard to imagine a Republican President (in the alternate universe, John McCain) having such an impasse with Congress, even if Democrats still held the House. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on July 27, 2011, 02:31:19 PM
Downgrade may bring Obama's approval down but GOP would be hurt far worse I think.  A big debt reducer would probably be more unpopular than popular and hurt both sides a little but equally.  Grand bargain is then smarter for GOP but they appear to either be betting Obama takes bigger hit than they do which seems dumb or they don't care if they lose the House as long as they win back the White House, which I'm sort of skeptical of since they'd lose their own jobs.  So I guess I'll go with dumb.  But I'm open to persuasion otherwise.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on July 27, 2011, 05:26:12 PM
No new numbers from SUSA this month??


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 28, 2011, 01:30:33 AM
No new numbers from SUSA this month??

Have not been released yet. Maybe in the next few days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 28, 2011, 01:32:35 AM
California (PPIC):

All Adults

52% Approve
42% Disapprove

Registered Voters

51% Approve
43% Disapprove

Likely Voters

48% Approve
47% Disapprove

PPIC Statewide Survey: Californians and the Environment, July 2011. Includes 2,504 adults, 1,619 registered voters, and 1,153 likely voters.

Interviews took place July 5–19, 2011. Numbers in above table are for all adults. Margin of error ±3%. Numbers may not add to 100 due to rounding.

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/other/APR_Obama0711.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 28, 2011, 09:41:57 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, -1.

Disapprove 55%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.


Obama is not winning the budget battle, though he's not exactly losing it either.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on July 28, 2011, 09:57:08 AM
No one is winning the budget battle.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: All Along The Watchtower on July 28, 2011, 12:30:07 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, -1.

Disapprove 55%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.


Obama is not winning the budget battle, though he's not exactly losing it either.

I wonder how the approval ratings of Congress, specifically the House, compare.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 28, 2011, 12:36:18 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, -1.

Disapprove 55%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.


Obama is not winning the budget battle, though he's not exactly losing it either.

I wonder how the approval ratings of Congress, specifically the House, compare.

PPP's weekly poll says:

Do you approve or disapprove of the job Congressional Democrats are doing?

36-54

Do you approve or disapprove of the job Congressional Republicans are doing?

30-60

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/7/21

Rasmussen says:

How would you rate the way Congress is doing its job?

  6% Excellent/Good
92% Fair/Poor

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/congressional_performance


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 29, 2011, 09:23:50 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46, +2.

Disapprove 54%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 29, 2011, 12:36:20 PM
Gallup:

40% Approve
50% Disapprove

The next week probably won't be nice ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Cincinnatus on July 29, 2011, 12:42:26 PM
Didn't Gallup have him at 46/46 just two days ago?  :P

In other approval ratings, 5% less people feel energized compared to yesterday.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on July 29, 2011, 12:45:01 PM
Didn't Gallup have him at 46/46 just two days ago?  :P

In other approval ratings, 5% less people feel energized compared to yesterday.

It was 46/46, but most of this week he's been in the low 40s.

It's only time that Obama will finally slip into the upper 30s. (Let's be honest - for the state of the economy his approval rating is higher than it really should be.....)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Cincinnatus on July 29, 2011, 12:50:26 PM
It's amazing what charisma will do for your likability isn't it?  It will get you elected as President for starters.  Definitely can't question the man's ability to speak to a group of supporters.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dgov on July 29, 2011, 01:07:59 PM
Didn't Gallup have him at 46/46 just two days ago?  :P

Actually, that means that tomorrow his ratings are likely to be worse, since Gallup uses a 3-day rolling average and 3 days ago he went up a couple points.

Though Gallup's polling suggests that everyone's hurting right now, not just the President.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: GLPman on July 29, 2011, 01:59:05 PM
It's extremely surprising that Obama's approval hasn't taken more of a hit, especially considering that there were three days in a row where we didn't even see the man.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 29, 2011, 07:34:56 PM
Gallup:

40% Approve
50% Disapprove

The next week probably won't be nice ...

That is the lowest Obama number ever.  Gallup isn't exactly known for accuracy recently.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on July 29, 2011, 08:04:53 PM
Gallup:

40% Approve
50% Disapprove

The next week probably won't be nice ...

That is the lowest Obama number ever.  Gallup isn't exactly known for accuracy recently.

To be fair, I really can't think of anything in his presidency so far that Obama has been quite as abjectly pathetic on as this, even at the nadir of the health-care fight. The man called a prime-time nationwide address to tell people to call their Congressmen, for God's sake! (They did, so it was a success in that sense, but hardly something that gave off a feeling of anything remotely resembling strength). It makes sense to me that this is the sort of situation that could cause Obama to trough.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 29, 2011, 08:20:50 PM
Gallup:

40% Approve
50% Disapprove

The next week probably won't be nice ...

That is the lowest Obama number ever.  Gallup isn't exactly known for accuracy recently.

To be fair, I really can't think of anything in his presidency so far that Obama has been quite as abjectly pathetic on as this, even at the nadir of the health-care fight. The man called a prime-time nationwide address to tell people to call their Congressmen, for God's sake! (They did, so it was a success in that sense, but hardly something that gave off a feeling of anything remotely resembling strength). It makes sense to me that this is the sort of situation that could cause Obama to trough.

We could be seeing the start of the trough.  People are calling their congressmen and saying "No new taxes," ironically.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on July 30, 2011, 12:14:05 AM
Gallup:

40% Approve
50% Disapprove

The next week probably won't be nice ...

That is the lowest Obama number ever.  Gallup isn't exactly known for accuracy recently.

To be fair, I really can't think of anything in his presidency so far that Obama has been quite as abjectly pathetic on as this, even at the nadir of the health-care fight. The man called a prime-time nationwide address to tell people to call their Congressmen, for God's sake! (They did, so it was a success in that sense, but hardly something that gave off a feeling of anything remotely resembling strength). It makes sense to me that this is the sort of situation that could cause Obama to trough.

The irony is that Republicans have been desperate to compare Obama to Jimmy Carter the only one-term Democratic president in over 100 years and they finally got him to look ineffective in a hostage situation.  Never mind that they're the one who took the hostages.  It's not clear to me what Obama could do differently exactly that would go over better.  Or that the drop is even linked to the debt impasse as opposed to the economy in general.  Maybe if he does what Clinton advised we'll find out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 30, 2011, 01:13:06 AM
SurveyUSA July Approval Ratings (all polls conducted on July 26):

California: 50% Approve, 47% Disapprove (+2, nc)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c717d146-99e7-4de8-8217-9fb792fc2fb8

Kansas: 36% Approve, 61% Disapprove (+1, +4)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c9cb9d95-0451-467c-8613-efb0bf5d4a7e

Oregon: 44% Approve, 53% Disapprove (+6, -5)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=87dabdb7-5435-402e-891e-11b3bf475127

Washington: 47% Approve, 50% Disapprove (+1, +1)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c34262fe-7152-4e56-be8d-dd7e32b0f6dd


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 30, 2011, 01:22:04 AM
This month, the SurveyUSA numbers actually make some sense with Obama between 40-45% nationally.

They made no sense with Obama at 50%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on July 30, 2011, 01:55:37 AM
What is wrong with Gallup? Their erratic numbers are really unprofessional.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on July 30, 2011, 02:04:23 AM
What is wrong with Gallup? Their erratic numbers are really unprofessional.

Considering the circumstances, nothing seems that off to me.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 30, 2011, 08:50:49 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, -2.

Disapprove 56%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, +1.

This could be just statistical noise.  There has been a slight drop-off since 7/14-7/16, but not a major one.  He is not at historic lows on Rasmussen, though he is getting closer to it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 30, 2011, 12:03:05 PM
Gallup:

40% Approve (nc)
52% Disapprove (+2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 30, 2011, 08:52:47 PM
Gallup:

40% Approve (nc)
52% Disapprove (+2)

Well, it is Gallup, which was off in the last election.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 31, 2011, 09:43:15 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, u.

Disapprove 55%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -2.

Statistical noise. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on July 31, 2011, 10:13:32 AM
gallup prediction: Obama meets the 30s for first time on his 50th.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 31, 2011, 05:40:55 PM
Gallup, meh:

Approve:  41, +1

Disapprove:  52, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 01, 2011, 09:17:58 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, u.

Disapprove 55%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.

That was easy.  :)

There was a drop in Obama's numbers beginning on 7/16, but it is small drop and not a free fall.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on August 01, 2011, 12:26:57 PM
Obama Approval Rating July 2011 (Gallup):

44% Approve

48% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Roosevelt: 54/39 (July 1939)

Truman: 61/28 (July 1947) AND 29/54 (July 1951)*

Eisenhower: 72/18 (July 1955)

Kennedy: 61/27 (July 1963)

Johnson: 47/39 (July 1967)*

Nixon: 50/36 (July 1971)

Ford: No poll, was 52/34 in June 1975

Carter: 29/59 (July 1979)

Reagan: 43/45 (July 1983)

Bush I: 71/21 (July 1991)

Clinton: 47/43 (July 1995)

Bush II: 60/37 (July 2003)

*Was eligible to run next year, but later decided not to.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 01, 2011, 01:27:56 PM
MA (MassInc Polling Group):

57% Favorable
41% Unfavorable

About the poll: The MassPulse Quarterly Poll is conducted quarterly among representative samples of 500 Massachusetts residents age 18 and older.  The poll is conducted in English and Spanish among both cell phone and landline households.  This iteration of the survey was conducted from July 27-30, 2011.  The margin of sampling error is 4.4%.

http://031d482.netsolhost.com/WordPress/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/MPG-Trend-Monitor-Q3-2011.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 01, 2011, 02:34:10 PM

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  43, +2

Disapprove:  50, -2.

If you don't like the Gallup numbers, just wait a couple of days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on August 01, 2011, 02:40:42 PM

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  43, +2

Disapprove:  50, -2.

If you don't like the Gallup numbers, just wait a couple of days.


Is Gallup's track record so much worse than Rassie?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 01, 2011, 03:24:59 PM

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  43, +2

Disapprove:  50, -2.

If you don't like the Gallup numbers, just wait a couple of days.


That's how Gallup goes. The budgetary process in any form is quite possibly the ugliest stage of politics, the one in which few people make friends. The debt-ceiling debate  is a prime example. When it goes smoothly, nobody seems to pay much attention. When things get polarized,  then watch out.

Count on unemployment to remain high through 2012. Democrats will surely need to offer a stimulus.

MA (MassInc Polling Group):

57% Favorable
41% Unfavorable

About the poll: The MassPulse Quarterly Poll is conducted quarterly among representative samples of 500 Massachusetts residents age 18 and older.  The poll is conducted in English and Spanish among both cell phone and landline households.  This iteration of the survey was conducted from July 27-30, 2011.  The margin of sampling error is 4.4%.

http://031d482.netsolhost.com/WordPress/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/MPG-Trend-Monitor-Q3-2011.pdf

Favorable/unfavorable -- not usable.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 01, 2011, 03:26:57 PM
Count on unemployment to remain high through 2012. Democrats will surely need to offer a stimulus.

LOL. Obama just signed on to massive spending cuts as part of the debt ceiling compromise. What kind of stimulus you think you're going to get out of that?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 01, 2011, 03:38:15 PM
Count on unemployment to remain high through 2012. Democrats will surely need to offer a stimulus.

LOL. Obama just signed on to massive spending cuts as part of the debt ceiling compromise. What kind of stimulus you think you're going to get out of that?

2013... assuming that the President is re-elected and that the Democrats keep the Senate and gain the House. Democrats will have to make that promise. What will Republicans have to offer? Pay cuts? Further tax cuts for the super-rich? Privatization of Social Security and Medicare?

Mitt Romney did the perfect job of staying aloof from the debate on the debt ceiling... which is about like some draft dodger bragging about having been 'above' the war. We shall see soon enough how that plays in Peoria... among other places.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 01, 2011, 03:43:24 PM
2013... assuming that the President is re-elected and that the Democrats keep the Senate and gain the House. Democrats will have to make that promise. What will Republicans have to offer? Pay cuts? Further tax cuts for the super-rich? Privatization of Social Security and Medicare?

Well, here's what Romney offered in 2008:

  • A cut in the top corporate rate to 20 percent from 35 percent, phased in over two years.
  • Cutting the lowest individual income tax bracket to 7.5 percent from 10 percent. To provide immediate spending money for those with moderate incomes, he would make that reduction retroactively applicable to the previous year's income for taxpayers earning less than $97,500.
  • Permanently eliminating Social Security payroll taxes for workers over age 65.
  • Temporarily permitting businesses to deduct 100 percent of the cost of investments for two years.
  • Eliminating capital gains and dividend taxes for taxpayers earning under $200,000 a year.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 01, 2011, 03:53:32 PM
2013... assuming that the President is re-elected and that the Democrats keep the Senate and gain the House. Democrats will have to make that promise. What will Republicans have to offer? Pay cuts? Further tax cuts for the super-rich? Privatization of Social Security and Medicare?

Well, here's what Romney offered in 2008:

  • A cut in the top corporate rate to 20 percent from 35 percent, phased in over two years.
  • Cutting the lowest individual income tax bracket to 7.5 percent from 10 percent. To provide immediate spending money for those with moderate incomes, he would make that reduction retroactively applicable to the previous year's income for taxpayers earning less than $97,500.
  • Permanently eliminating Social Security payroll taxes for workers over age 65.
  • Temporarily permitting businesses to deduct 100 percent of the cost of investments for two years.
  • Eliminating capital gains and dividend taxes for taxpayers earning under $200,000 a year.

This is no longer 2008.  High unemployment is going to require a fresh, large stimulus -- and tax cuts will not do the trick.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 01, 2011, 04:11:22 PM
http://people-press.org/2011/08/01/public-sees-budget-negotiations-as-%E2%80%9Cridiculous%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%9Cdisgusting%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%9Cstupid/


Quote
From liberal Democrats to Tea Party Republicans, there is broad public consensus that the budget negotiations of recent weeks can be summed up in words such as ridiculous, disgusting, stupid, and frustrating. Nationwide, 72% describe the recent negotiations in negative terms such as these; while very few offer a positive (2%), or even neutral (11%), assessment. Other frequently used terms include terrible, disappointing, childish, and joke.

The latest survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press and The Washington Post, conducted July 28-31 among 1,001 adults, finds that these critical views cross partisan and ideological lines, with 75% of Republicans, 72% of Democrats and 72% of independents all volunteering similarly negative assessments. Impressions are particularly negative among Republicans and Republican-leaners who agree with the Tea Party (83% negative).

Overall, this reaction is parallel to how the public viewed the budget negotiations surrounding the possible government shutdown in early April of this year. A Pew Research/Washington Post survey conducted in the days immediately following the April 8 deal found Americans offering similarly negative reactions, and, for the most part, using the same combination of words to describe the situation.

In essence, we were all had. See how that does in polling done beginning this weekend.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 01, 2011, 06:18:53 PM
2013... assuming that the President is re-elected and that the Democrats keep the Senate and gain the House. Democrats will have to make that promise. What will Republicans have to offer? Pay cuts? Further tax cuts for the super-rich? Privatization of Social Security and Medicare?

Well, here's what Romney offered in 2008:

  • A cut in the top corporate rate to 20 percent from 35 percent, phased in over two years.
  • Cutting the lowest individual income tax bracket to 7.5 percent from 10 percent. To provide immediate spending money for those with moderate incomes, he would make that reduction retroactively applicable to the previous year's income for taxpayers earning less than $97,500.
  • Permanently eliminating Social Security payroll taxes for workers over age 65.
  • Temporarily permitting businesses to deduct 100 percent of the cost of investments for two years.
  • Eliminating capital gains and dividend taxes for taxpayers earning under $200,000 a year.

This is no longer 2008.  High unemployment is going to require a fresh, large stimulus -- and tax cuts will not do the trick.

It's Mitt Romney, the flip-flopping is implied. Although, campaigning on tax rises won't exactly make the primaries a walk for him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 02, 2011, 07:19:16 AM
Disaster for the President in Pernnsylvania:
Quote
The protracted slugfest over raising the national debt limit leaves President Barack Obama with a 54 - 43 percent disapproval among Pennsylvania voters, but he scores better than Republicans or Democrats in Congress, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

President Obama has acted more responsibly in the debt ceiling debate than Congressional Republicans, voters say 44 - 37 percent in the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN- uh-pe-ack) University poll concluded Sunday as agreement on a new debt limit was announced. Looking at the other players in the national debt debate, Pennsylvania voters:

    Disapprove 68 - 28 percent of the job Republicans in Congress are doing;
    Disapprove 67 - 28 percent of Democrats in Congress.

Pennsylvania voters say 52 - 42 percent that Obama does not deserve to be reelected. Matching the president against possible Republican challengers shows:

    Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney with 44 percent to Obama's 42 percent;
    Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum with 43 percent to Obama's 45 percent;
    Obama leads Minnesota U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann 47 - 39 percent;
    Obama tops Texas Gov. Rick Perry 45 - 39 percent.

If Pennsylvania is the "real" political reality for America, then the Hard Right will be consolidating complete power in America in November 2012. Things will change in the next couple of weeks, perhaps in ways that few can predict. It is arguable that every poll before today has become obsolete.


Current map:


 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  135
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    90
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 67
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  34
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  73
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   16





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Here's the rationale:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html

...and I am less charitable to an incumbent President than is Nate Silver.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  135
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    90
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 63
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  0
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  11
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but  Romney 41
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  15
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 87
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  0
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18  




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 02, 2011, 08:39:34 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, u.

Disapprove 54%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 02, 2011, 11:30:31 AM
CNN:

45% Approve, 52% Disapprove

Interviews with 860 adult Americans conducted by telephone by ORC International on August 1, 2011. The margin of sampling error for results based on the total sample is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points. The sample includes 716 interviews among landline respondents and 144 interviews among cell phone respondents.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/08/02/rel12a.pdf

PPP:

46% Approve, 48% Disapprove - 50% Favorable, 44% Unfavorable

Public Policy Polling, 1000 Registered Voters, MoE 3.1%, July 28, 2011 - July 31, 2011

http://dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/7/28


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 02, 2011, 12:09:38 PM
Gallup is also normalizing a bit:

43% Approve
48% Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 03, 2011, 09:09:05 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, u.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 03, 2011, 10:07:56 AM
CNN:

45% Approve, 52% Disapprove

Interviews with 860 adult Americans conducted by telephone by ORC International on August 1, 2011. The margin of sampling error for results based on the total sample is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points. The sample includes 716 interviews among landline respondents and 144 interviews among cell phone respondents.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/08/02/rel12a.pdf

PPP:

46% Approve, 48% Disapprove - 50% Favorable, 44% Unfavorable

Public Policy Polling, 1000 Registered Voters, MoE 3.1%, July 28, 2011 - July 31, 2011

http://dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/7/28


As significant --

Quote

2. Do you approve or disapprove of the way Congress is handling its job?

Approve 14%
Disapprove 84%
No opinion 2%

August 1, 2011

Of course this is already obsolete due to the resolution of the budget impasses.  Such might suggest how President Obama runs for re-election. Hint: Truman 1948.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 03, 2011, 01:15:17 PM
Quote

Nevada Survey Results


Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 47%
Disapprove...................................................... 50%
Not sure .......................................................... 3%


Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 47%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 46%
Undecided....................................................... 6%

All other shown GOP possibilities do execrably against the President. In view of the debt-ceiling debate and law even this poll may be obsolete.   

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NV_0803513.pdf

Current map:


 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
)


           
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  135
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    90
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 67
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  34
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  73
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   16





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Here's the rationale:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html

...and I am less charitable to an incumbent President than is Nate Silver.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  135
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    90
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 69
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  0
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  11
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but  Romney 35
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  15
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 87
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  0
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18  





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 03, 2011, 01:23:52 PM


Of course this is already obsolete due to the resolution of the budget impasses.  Such might suggest how President Obama runs for re-election. Hint: Truman 1948.

The problem is, the Democratic Senate is led by Harry Reid (D - NV).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 03, 2011, 01:27:15 PM


Of course this is already obsolete due to the resolution of the budget impasses.  Such might suggest how President Obama runs for re-election. Hint: Truman 1948.

The problem is, the Democratic Senate is led by Harry Reid (D - NV).

Harry Reid isn't up for re-election, but lots of Democratic Senators are. The President will run against the House of Representatives -- especially freshman Tea Party types.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 03, 2011, 04:48:54 PM
The only problem with that strategy is that whoever the GOP nominee is, will be attacking Obama's record, particulary on the economy. Truman didn't have that occuring in 1948, as the economy had stabilized somewhat from the post-war volatility seen in 1946, which had helped produce the GOP landslide that year. Also, Dewey ran a very week campaign with little substance, and virtually no criticism of Truman at all.

Another mark against that type of campaign is that it was factually inaccurate. One could hardly call the Congress that passed the Marshall plan as "Do-Nothing". In the age of Internet, such a false narrative, even if picked up by the mainstream media, has less impact then it did when newspapers ruled the day almost unchallenged.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 03, 2011, 11:33:51 PM
The only problem with that strategy is that whoever the GOP nominee is, will be attacking Obama's record, particulary on the economy. Truman didn't have that occuring in 1948, as the economy had stabilized somewhat from the post-war volatility seen in 1946, which had helped produce the GOP landslide that year. Also, Dewey ran a very week campaign with little substance, and virtually no criticism of Truman at all.


1. My suggestion is only that. The nominee could completely change the narrative.

2. For obvious reasons, the President will not run against the Senate which ordinarily originates few bills.

3. The list of achievements by the 111th Congress overwhelms what the 112th Congress has achieved or is likely to achieve. Indeed even the lame-duck session is more impressive than what has since transpired.

4. I expect the Republicans to offer economic 'reforms' likely to transfer more income and wealth to the super-rich with only vague promises of "growth" at the expense of lower wages, a ravaged environment, lax safety standards on the job, huge cuts in social programs, perhaps replacement of the income tax with a national sales tax. These might not be popular.

5. Republicans will have culpability for any 'double dip' in this Depression for having ensured that the only stimulus possible is tax cuts for the super-rich.

6. Congress is extremely unpopular now. It is hard to see how an approval rating of 14% can be redeemed short of a complete renunciation of what it has done so far. People will be ready for a re-make of Congress, and a return to what Americans knew with the 111th will look wonderful by contrast. 
 
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Another mark against that type of campaign is that it was factually inaccurate. One could hardly call the Congress that passed the Marshall plan as "Do-Nothing". In the age of Internet, such a false narrative, even if picked up by the mainstream media, has less impact then it did when newspapers ruled the day almost unchallenged.

Harry Truman sold the Marshall Plan as an issue of national security -- to stop Communist subversion of Europe. At least that Congress did something. This one has achieved only a budget deal that ensures a continuing Depression that serves only to enhance the power of the Ruling Elite of private industry over the rest of us.

The Tea Party clique is shrill and extreme. Extremists can win one election fair-and square; to win the next one in a 'moderate' bailiwick the extremists must either pull the public into its radicalism (which hasn't happened) or either rig or cancel the next election and subsequent ones.   

The Republicans are more likely to lose their majority in the House than the Democrats are likely to hold onto the Senate. Until I see polls on the approval of the Presidency over the next few days I will suspend my prediction on the President winning or losing. (My map will remain active for now but even I now take it with a piece of salt the size of one of the monoliths at Stonehenge).  Tea Party extremists won a huge number of seats in the House in 2010 -- some in districts that now lean D or are nearly neutral. I predict that Representatives who far better serve out-of-district plutocrats than their own constituents will be one-term Representatives. Constituents of those districts (I am but one in such a district) will decide who better serves Texas oil barons and Wall Street profiteers than people in their districts.

1946 was a year following the long Crisis Era that contained the Great Depression and World War II which included one of the most dangerous times first for the survival of responsible government (America could have gone sharply Left [Marxism] or Right [KKK/fascism/military dictatorship]) due to domestic distress and the chaos that such can bring and then the danger of military victories by gangster regimes intent on conquering America or at least rendering it prostrate. We are entering times little less dangerous. Economic distress will not go away soon -- but the Hard Right can, if fully in charge, ensure that America's plutocrats make no sacrifices while others suffer.

In 1946, price controls and rationing  intended to ensure that people weren't priced out of the bare necessities expired. A free market is impossible in a major war; unleashing the market to permit greater productivity to meet demand was suddenly a good idea. In 1946 the economic problem was best described as too little civilian production to meet civilian demand. In 2011 such does not describe reality. We do not have a fault of inadequate productivity; we have inadequate demand to meet our productive capacity. Without people showing the willingness or ability to buy what can be produced, even that productive capacity will surely go obsolete or be scrapped. I don't know what you think of the generational cycle of about 75 to 80 years... but this year is analogous to something between 1931 and 1937. 2006 was a good political analogue to 1930, and 2007 was a good economic analogue to 1929. Go figure.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 04, 2011, 07:49:00 AM
First August and post "Deal"  poll.

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AUGUST 4, 2011 - DEBT DEAL DOESN'T RESCUE OBAMA FROM FLORIDA CRASH, QUINNIPIAC UNIVERSITY POLL FINDS; ROMNEY CLOSES GAP IN 2012 PRESIDENTIAL RACE


The national debt ceiling deal does not rescue President Barack Obama's crashing job approval rating in Florida as he gets a negative 44 - 51 percent score among voters surveyed August 1 - 2, after the deal was announced, compared to a negative 44 - 50 percent score among voters surveyed July 27 - 31, before the deal, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

This compares to a positive 51 - 43 percent approval rating for President Obama in a May 26 survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll.

Florida voters surveyed after the deal say 50 - 42 percent that Obama does not deserve to be reelected, compared to a 47 - 46 percent split before the deal and 50 - 44 percent support for his reelection May 26.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, the leading Republican challenger in the 2012 presidential race, ties Obama 44 - 44 percent post-deal, compared to a 46 - 41 percent Obama lead pre-deal. Obama has double-digit leads over other top Republicans pre-deal and post-deal, except for Texas Gov. Rick Perry who trails Obama 44 - 39 percent post-deal.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1284.xml?ReleaseID=1632&What=&strArea=;&strTime=0

Comment: it looks much like 2000 again at this stage. A toady of fantastically-corrupt Governor Rick Scott could be worth maybe 10,000 votes.


Current map:


 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  135
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    61
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 67
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  63
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  73
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   16





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Here's the rationale:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html

...and I am less charitable to an incumbent President than is Nate Silver.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  135
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    61
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 69
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  0
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  11
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but  Romney 35
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  44
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 87
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  0
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18  






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 04, 2011, 08:37:43 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, +1.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 04, 2011, 09:46:18 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, +1.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -1.


Surprisingly stable, I'd say.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 04, 2011, 02:35:58 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, +1.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -1.


Surprisingly stable, I'd say.


I've been saying that for the last week!  :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 04, 2011, 02:43:59 PM
Gallup - Obama

Approve:  41%, -1

Disapprove:  52%, +2

Happy birthday, Mr. President.

(Well, since it's Gallup, it is a gag gift.)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on August 04, 2011, 02:57:03 PM
I anticipate the lower the markets continue to slide, the lower his numbers will drop.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 04, 2011, 02:59:52 PM
I anticipate the lower the markets continue to slide, the lower his numbers will drop.

Excellent analysis.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 04, 2011, 03:32:04 PM
The only problem with that strategy is that whoever the GOP nominee is, will be attacking Obama's record, particulary on the economy. Truman didn't have that occuring in 1948, as the economy had stabilized somewhat from the post-war volatility seen in 1946, which had helped produce the GOP landslide that year. Also, Dewey ran a very week campaign with little substance, and virtually no criticism of Truman at all.


1. My suggestion is only that. The nominee could completely change the narrative.

2. For obvious reasons, the President will not run against the Senate which ordinarily originates few bills.

3. The list of achievements by the 111th Congress overwhelms what the 112th Congress has achieved or is likely to achieve. Indeed even the lame-duck session is more impressive than what has since transpired.

4. I expect the Republicans to offer economic 'reforms' likely to transfer more income and wealth to the super-rich with only vague promises of "growth" at the expense of lower wages, a ravaged environment, lax safety standards on the job, huge cuts in social programs, perhaps replacement of the income tax with a national sales tax. These might not be popular.

5. Republicans will have culpability for any 'double dip' in this Depression for having ensured that the only stimulus possible is tax cuts for the super-rich.

6. Congress is extremely unpopular now. It is hard to see how an approval rating of 14% can be redeemed short of a complete renunciation of what it has done so far. People will be ready for a re-make of Congress, and a return to what Americans knew with the 111th will look wonderful by contrast. 
 
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Another mark against that type of campaign is that it was factually inaccurate. One could hardly call the Congress that passed the Marshall plan as "Do-Nothing". In the age of Internet, such a false narrative, even if picked up by the mainstream media, has less impact then it did when newspapers ruled the day almost unchallenged.

Harry Truman sold the Marshall Plan as an issue of national security -- to stop Communist subversion of Europe. At least that Congress did something. This one has achieved only a budget deal that ensures a continuing Depression that serves only to enhance the power of the Ruling Elite of private industry over the rest of us.

The Tea Party clique is shrill and extreme. Extremists can win one election fair-and square; to win the next one in a 'moderate' bailiwick the extremists must either pull the public into its radicalism (which hasn't happened) or either rig or cancel the next election and subsequent ones.   

The Republicans are more likely to lose their majority in the House than the Democrats are likely to hold onto the Senate. Until I see polls on the approval of the Presidency over the next few days I will suspend my prediction on the President winning or losing. (My map will remain active for now but even I now take it with a piece of salt the size of one of the monoliths at Stonehenge).  Tea Party extremists won a huge number of seats in the House in 2010 -- some in districts that now lean D or are nearly neutral. I predict that Representatives who far better serve out-of-district plutocrats than their own constituents will be one-term Representatives. Constituents of those districts (I am but one in such a district) will decide who better serves Texas oil barons and Wall Street profiteers than people in their districts.

1946 was a year following the long Crisis Era that contained the Great Depression and World War II which included one of the most dangerous times first for the survival of responsible government (America could have gone sharply Left [Marxism] or Right [KKK/fascism/military dictatorship]) due to domestic distress and the chaos that such can bring and then the danger of military victories by gangster regimes intent on conquering America or at least rendering it prostrate. We are entering times little less dangerous. Economic distress will not go away soon -- but the Hard Right can, if fully in charge, ensure that America's plutocrats make no sacrifices while others suffer.

In 1946, price controls and rationing  intended to ensure that people weren't priced out of the bare necessities expired. A free market is impossible in a major war; unleashing the market to permit greater productivity to meet demand was suddenly a good idea. In 1946 the economic problem was best described as too little civilian production to meet civilian demand. In 2011 such does not describe reality. We do not have a fault of inadequate productivity; we have inadequate demand to meet our productive capacity. Without people showing the willingness or ability to buy what can be produced, even that productive capacity will surely go obsolete or be scrapped. I don't know what you think of the generational cycle of about 75 to 80 years... but this year is analogous to something between 1931 and 1937. 2006 was a good political analogue to 1930, and 2007 was a good economic analogue to 1929. Go figure.

This last paragraph is misleading. It insinuates that I made some error of analysis regarding the 1946 elections. Something which I only mentioned in passing to respond to a comparison you had made, that of 1948 to 2012. To respond back, you changed the comparison from one of mostly politcal criteria to one of mostly economic criteria. The exact details behind the economic situation are irrelevant as far as the comparison you initially made, which is the one I responded to. Economic conditions adverse to an incubment President produced midterm victories for the GOP in both 1946 and 2010. The only difference is the economic situation which produced the GOP victory in 1946 was largely gone by 1948. The same cannot be said of the economic conditions that produced the 2010 election results. Unlike Truman, President Obama will not be able to escape criticism for the economic conditions, from a far more aggressive GOP candidate, then Dewey. Unless of course Pawlenty is somehow nominated.

The problem with many of the rest of your points is that your personal ideological view of the world is present in them. Most voters don't think in such ways and such surely you can acknowledge the flaws behind many of the predictions.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 04, 2011, 04:24:22 PM
The only problem with that strategy is that whoever the GOP nominee is, will be attacking Obama's record, particulary on the economy. Truman didn't have that occuring in 1948, as the economy had stabilized somewhat from the post-war volatility seen in 1946, which had helped produce the GOP landslide that year. Also, Dewey ran a very week campaign with little substance, and virtually no criticism of Truman at all.


1. My suggestion is only that. The nominee could completely change the narrative.

2. For obvious reasons, the President will not run against the Senate which ordinarily originates few bills.

3. The list of achievements by the 111th Congress overwhelms what the 112th Congress has achieved or is likely to achieve. Indeed even the lame-duck session is more impressive than what has since transpired.

4. I expect the Republicans to offer economic 'reforms' likely to transfer more income and wealth to the super-rich with only vague promises of "growth" at the expense of lower wages, a ravaged environment, lax safety standards on the job, huge cuts in social programs, perhaps replacement of the income tax with a national sales tax. These might not be popular.

5. Republicans will have culpability for any 'double dip' in this Depression for having ensured that the only stimulus possible is tax cuts for the super-rich.

6. Congress is extremely unpopular now. It is hard to see how an approval rating of 14% can be redeemed short of a complete renunciation of what it has done so far. People will be ready for a re-make of Congress, and a return to what Americans knew with the 111th will look wonderful by contrast. 
 
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Another mark against that type of campaign is that it was factually inaccurate. One could hardly call the Congress that passed the Marshall plan as "Do-Nothing". In the age of Internet, such a false narrative, even if picked up by the mainstream media, has less impact then it did when newspapers ruled the day almost unchallenged.

Harry Truman sold the Marshall Plan as an issue of national security -- to stop Communist subversion of Europe. At least that Congress did something. This one has achieved only a budget deal that ensures a continuing Depression that serves only to enhance the power of the Ruling Elite of private industry over the rest of us.

The Tea Party clique is shrill and extreme. Extremists can win one election fair-and square; to win the next one in a 'moderate' bailiwick the extremists must either pull the public into its radicalism (which hasn't happened) or either rig or cancel the next election and subsequent ones.   

The Republicans are more likely to lose their majority in the House than the Democrats are likely to hold onto the Senate. Until I see polls on the approval of the Presidency over the next few days I will suspend my prediction on the President winning or losing. (My map will remain active for now but even I now take it with a piece of salt the size of one of the monoliths at Stonehenge).  Tea Party extremists won a huge number of seats in the House in 2010 -- some in districts that now lean D or are nearly neutral. I predict that Representatives who far better serve out-of-district plutocrats than their own constituents will be one-term Representatives. Constituents of those districts (I am but one in such a district) will decide who better serves Texas oil barons and Wall Street profiteers than people in their districts.

1946 was a year following the long Crisis Era that contained the Great Depression and World War II which included one of the most dangerous times first for the survival of responsible government (America could have gone sharply Left [Marxism] or Right [KKK/fascism/military dictatorship]) due to domestic distress and the chaos that such can bring and then the danger of military victories by gangster regimes intent on conquering America or at least rendering it prostrate. We are entering times little less dangerous. Economic distress will not go away soon -- but the Hard Right can, if fully in charge, ensure that America's plutocrats make no sacrifices while others suffer.

In 1946, price controls and rationing  intended to ensure that people weren't priced out of the bare necessities expired. A free market is impossible in a major war; unleashing the market to permit greater productivity to meet demand was suddenly a good idea. In 1946 the economic problem was best described as too little civilian production to meet civilian demand. In 2011 such does not describe reality. We do not have a fault of inadequate productivity; we have inadequate demand to meet our productive capacity. Without people showing the willingness or ability to buy what can be produced, even that productive capacity will surely go obsolete or be scrapped. I don't know what you think of the generational cycle of about 75 to 80 years... but this year is analogous to something between 1931 and 1937. 2006 was a good political analogue to 1930, and 2007 was a good economic analogue to 1929. Go figure.

This last paragraph is misleading. It insinuates that I made some error of analysis regarding the 1946 elections. Something which I only mentioned in passing to respond to a comparison you had made, that of 1948 to 2012. To respond back, you changed the comparison from one of mostly politcal criteria to one of mostly economic criteria. The exact details behind the economic situation are irrelevant as far as the comparison you initially made, which is the one I responded to. Economic conditions adverse to an incubment President produced midterm victories for the GOP in both 1946 and 2010. The only difference is the economic situation which produced the GOP victory in 1946 was largely gone by 1948. The same cannot be said of the economic conditions that produced the 2010 election results. Unlike Truman, President Obama will not be able to escape criticism for the economic conditions, from a far more aggressive GOP candidate, then Dewey. Unless of course Pawlenty is somehow nominated.

The problem with many of the rest of your points is that your personal ideological view of the world is present in them. Most voters don't think in such ways and such surely you can acknowledge the flaws behind many of the predictions.


That may be my opinion of economic reality -- but the effect of productive capacity outstripping demand is obvious enough. The tendency with excess capacity is that it eventually disappears, and so does the potential productivity. This time is more like the early 1930s than like the late 1940s, Productivity was the least of America's problems in the early 1930s; in the 1940s it was the incomplete transition from a wartime economy to a civilian economy.

Demand must grow if we are to get out of this Depression. If people are scared to buy what the economy produces, then we are still in deep trouble.  But I would argue that the economic distress that we now have is going to be worsened by austerity measures.

We have a return to "Hoovernomics" as dictated by the Hard Right, including the Tea Party cult. For that the GOP will pay. The President can run against that and almost certainly will.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 04, 2011, 05:18:04 PM
I wasn't talking about the analysis of economic cycles when I said your personal ideology clouded the analysis. I was talking about the other points.

Again, these economic facts regarding different economic circumstances have nothing to do with the original comparison which you established, not me. By the changing the subject, which is what you have basically done, you have ventured as far out of the relevancy of this thread and thus to a topic which is frankly boring me. Only thing interesting about this whole affairs is that by changing the comparison to one of "which economic circumstances best compares to now" from "the success or failure of pursuing a 1948 style reelection strategy", you have succeeded in weakening your initial comparison in an attempt to refute my point. You have just said that the economic situation we have now is entirely different from what the counrty dealt with in the mid 40's. Isn't that what I was saying?

How can Obama run against Austerity when he has embraced it and in the process conceded several critical points along the way to the GOP that would have been crucial for him to stand his ground on, were he to engage in such a strategy? He hasn't been planning to run as Truman in 1948, he has been attempting to be Clinton in 1996, and he has thrown leftist economics under the bus to do it. If he were to backtrack, and suddenly try to claim that deficits don't matter, I think that would cause more problems for him then it would solve.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 04, 2011, 06:18:07 PM
Obama basically cannot be Truman in 1948, or Clinton in 1996.  The Republicans do not control Congress, only one house of it.  There is another problem.  For two years, Obama's party held both houses with large majorities, and did very little.  Obamacare is both expensive and unpopular.

Obama in a Reagan 1984 situation.  Unlike Reagan (or Clinton), Obama is not sitting on to of a good economy.  The key question will be, "Are you better off than you were four years ago?"  If the answer is no, Obama's chances dwindle.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on August 04, 2011, 09:09:05 PM
Obama basically cannot be Truman in 1948, or Clinton in 1996.  The Republicans do not control Congress, only one house of it.  There is another problem.  For two years, Obama's party held both houses with large majorities, and did very little.  Obamacare is both expensive and unpopular.

What difference does only one house make?  The Republican Party has effective veto power over any Obama initiatives for the final 2 years of his first term. And a handful of less extreme Republican senators, but still Republican, had veto power for most of Obama's first 2 years too.  Obama will have had a supermajority for only 1/8 of his first term and even then a couple of conservative Democrats and one Independent who campaigned for John McCain had veto power.  So he made some progress his first two years, but it was limited as he watered down policies enough for them to pass congress, and then the GOP won the House, and he ran into total gridlock and the recovery stalled.  I'm a bit skeptical he'll try to make this case but I think it's a solid one if he did.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 04, 2011, 11:05:55 PM
Obama basically cannot be Truman in 1948, or Clinton in 1996.  The Republicans do not control Congress, only one house of it.  There is another problem.  For two years, Obama's party held both houses with large majorities, and did very little.  Obamacare is both expensive and unpopular.

If you really want to get fussy. then maybe you  can make much of the fact that neither of the other years of previous elections had either a zero or a four in them.

1. Control of one House is enough to render such legislative power that the President ordinarily has nominal only. Sure the President can propose, but about the only legislation that can succeed is that in which the President accedes to the GOP majority in the House or something so trivial as naming a new post office.

2. The GOP has become a lockstep Party that acts as rigidly as a Communist Party almost all the time, although Tea Party "dissensions" may have been all for show this time. This is unprecedented in American history.   The 2012 election will show whether Americans like ideological rigidity in a Party.

3. The Republicans won a bunch of House seats that ordinarily are Democratic-majority     . That is either a long-term trend in which Americans are going to the Far Right -- or a temporary and reversible phenomenon. You know which way I want to see things go -- but that is not part of my analysis. Furthermore I find it hard to believe that people in moderate, slightly R-leaning districts want the Hard Line Republicans elected,. The 2010 election was a triumph not of flexible and moderate Republicans but instead of people who truly believe that the social optimum is a nation under complete control of Corporate America and dedicated to the religious values of Protestant fundamentalism. 

4. Voter turnout will be far higher in 2012 than in 2010. The issues will be heated,. and the Democrats have valid alternatives to just about any Republican who flipped a House seat in 2010.

5. Republicans scared senior citizens who voted above the national average for John McCain in 2008 with the Ryan proposal to turn Medicare into a  voucher program. This will be trouble even in the South, an area in which Republicans have done in all years of Presidential elections except when Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter was running since 1972. Although liberal Democrats have practically no chance of winning many Southern seats (except in black0majority districts), Blue Dogs can -- even if voters dislike President Obama.

6. People may be wiser to some of the shenanigans of the GOP front groups in 2012 than in 2010.

In essence, a victory for moderates means a victory for Democrats... liberals in the North and Blue Dog conservatives in the South.   The Republicans have cast off almost all moderates, a tendency likely to continue in some Senate primaries.

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Obama in a Reagan 1984 situation.  Unlike Reagan (or Clinton), Obama is not sitting on to of a good economy.  The key question will be, "Are you better off than you were four years ago?"  If the answer is no, Obama's chances dwindle.

"Are you better off than you were four years ago?" In 2008 the US economy was on a course very similar to the meltdown of 1929-1932. In 2012 that will be a point of comparison. In 2008 people were scared of a replay of the Great Depression. Does being scared of another Great Depression  seem like something better than what they can have in 2012?

People want jobs -- not tax cuts for some plutocrats who have yet to show any willingness to hire more people. Budget cuts are poor substitutes for jobs -- and they are substitutes, and not causes, of job growth.  So are other possible items on the GOP/Tea Party agenda.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 05, 2011, 12:21:53 AM
Oh, please, you had the same situation with Reagan, a small majority in the Senate and an increasingly hostile House; his attempts to run against Tip O'Neil failed.  As for the Tea Party, as noted, they didn't get everything they wanted, because of the Senate.

Obama would have to do what Clinton did, and triangulate.  When he tried with Democrats in the Senate, he got shot down.  Then he lapsed into passivity.

I doubt that this shift to the GOP is reversible.  Further, Obama, the incumbent, seems to be much less popular than Obama the candidate.  As for seniors, Obama was the one promoting Medicare cuts, and Obamacare, one he said would solve everything, hasn't.

People are wiser to how Obama will do as president, because they've him do it for four years (in 2012).  "Yes we can" is rapidly becoming "No he hasn't."  He's losing groups across the boards; he's only up with a majority with Democrats, African Americans, and people with advanced degrees.  There is a fair amount of over in that group.

If the economy improves by January, he had good shot; if after that, the economy doesn't clear up, he's done for.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on August 05, 2011, 12:28:36 AM
I am positive neither pbrower or JJ's analyses are biased by their political beliefs at all.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 05, 2011, 10:12:37 AM
Oh, please, you had the same situation with Reagan, a small majority in the Senate and an increasingly hostile House; his attempts to run against Tip O'Neil failed.  As for the Tea Party, as noted, they didn't get everything they wanted, because of the Senate.

True. Something had to pass the Senate, but some things couldn't. I am of the opinion that President Obama smoked out the Republicans to expose their priorities that can be used against them in 2012.

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Obama would have to do what Clinton did, and triangulate.  When he tried with Democrats in the Senate, he got shot down.  Then he lapsed into passivity.

Political necessity and economic good are often at ends. Except for the House Republican majority that won the 2010 elections the Debt Ceiling would not be an issue this time.

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I doubt that this shift to the GOP is reversible.  Further, Obama, the incumbent, seems to be much less popular than Obama the candidate.  As for seniors, Obama was the one promoting Medicare cuts, and Obamacare, one he said would solve everything, hasn't
.

It is eminently reversible. All of the freshman GOP Republicans have exposed their positions, and those will not sit well with moderates. Midterm elections have far smaller turnout, and the liberals who stayed home in November 2010 won't stay home in November 2012 when the political stakes are more obvious -- and are higher. Extremists -- most of the new Republican Representatives and some veteran "converts" to the Tea Party agenda -- will be vulnerable in most traditionally "moderate" districts. Extremists are always vulnerable except in ultra-safe seats.

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People are wiser to how Obama will do as president, because they've him do it for four years (in 2012).  "Yes we can" is rapidly becoming "No he hasn't."  He's losing groups across the boards; he's only up with a majority with Democrats, African Americans, and people with advanced degrees.  There is a fair amount of over in that group.

Rasmussen polls have been remarkably stable over the last few days for the President. The question may be whether the Republicans have won Americans over to the idea that more poverty for the masses for greater wealth and power to the plutocratic class will create prosperity that all can enjoy. Polls for the approval of Congress are uniformly low. Ultra-safe seats may protect the likes of Charles Rangell and Jeb Hensearling, but when many moderate districts have Representatives  tailor-made for districts in which ranching and the oil industry prevail,  then you can see what is possible.

The budgetary process is never pretty because only then do the core values of political leaders come to the fore.  But when  one adds political polarization and hard times, the process gets extremely ugly. If the Democrats can convince people that a GOP majority means "Starve Grandma" and "Price Grandpa into the grave instead of to medical treatment for his prostate cancer", then you can see how that goes.   

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If the economy improves by January, he had good shot; if after that, the economy doesn't clear up, he's done for.

The Debt Ceiling deal practically ensures at least five more years of Hoovernomics that will prevent any recovery barring a major shift in the balance of political power. The Republicans can challenge it only by insisting upon even more drastic measures (like even further tax cuts for the super-rich, a balanced-budget amendment, cutting or eliminating the minimum wage, eviscerating laws protecting the environment, and selling off the public sector); the Democrats have less of a stake in its strictures. President Obama has less of a stake in the Debt Ceiling than does Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, or Eric Cantor.

I cannot predict the effect upon the chance of President Obama to get re-elected. What may matter more is the sort of leadership that Republican candidates for President show. Mitt Romney stayed out of the fray and then jumped on the GOP "Obama is terrible!" bandwagon after putting his wet finger into the wind. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on August 05, 2011, 10:18:29 AM
The Democratic House under Reagan was a different animal from today's Republican House.  Obamacare mostly hasn't gone into effect yet.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 05, 2011, 10:21:09 AM
Rasmussen:

47% Approve (+2)
52% Disapprove (-2)

24% Strongly Approve (+2)
39% Strongly Disapprove (-1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 05, 2011, 10:39:22 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47, +2.

Disapprove 52%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -1.

Either some improvement for Obama, or a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 05, 2011, 10:46:35 AM
I am positive neither pbrower or JJ's analyses are biased by their political beliefs at all.

I don't know.  I think Obama can win in a good economy.  However, I think we're heading into recession.  We'll know the second one first.

Obviously, Obamacare was not politically popular.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on August 05, 2011, 11:51:34 AM
I am positive neither pbrower or JJ's analyses are biased by their political beliefs at all.

I don't know.  I think Obama can win in a good economy.  However, I think we're heading into recession.  We'll know the second one first.

Obviously, Obamacare was not politically popular.

We're can't be entering a new recession, we never left the old one. If we keep getting private sector job growth through 2012, then we'll see a fairly big victory for Barack Obama.

'Obamacare' was not unpopular in the fashion that you appear to be spinning it. A lot of people did not like Obama's healthcare reform because they thought it did not go far enough, and that will not drive them to vote for Mitt Romney, or whoever the GOP candidate will be.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 05, 2011, 03:00:48 PM
I am positive neither pbrower or JJ's analyses are biased by their political beliefs at all.

I am aware of my bias and try to keep it separate from analysis. Sure, I want President Obama to win re-election, the Democrats to hold onto the Senate and take back the House... but everyone knows that. I don't try to sugar-coat the polls. Some are just more meaningful and reliable than others.

I do not predict trends; I am not a day-trader.  I am not everywhere, so I cannot figure out what is going on everywhere. It is generally possible to translate some data (the President has 47% approval in Virginia) into a prediction of an electoral result based on that poll (that he would win the state 51-48).

Today Rasmussen showed  a 47% approval for the President. Whether that is a bit high or low is a matter of taste. If the President had to start campaigning from that position nationwide, then on the average he would gain 6% if the rules for gain for an incumbent President were the same for an incumbent Governor or Senator. This fits because almost all Presidents are former Governors or Senators and parlay their practice in statewide campaigns to nationwide campaigns. You can see why that gain would be the average for a candidate of 'average' skill as a campaigner facing the 'average' challenger under the sorts of economic conditions typical for such an approval rating.   Governing or legislating and campaigning are tow different things.

Approval ratings will rise with events (whacking Osama bin Laden) and fall (the Debt Ceiling debate). I have not tried to predict how the Debt Ceiling law would affect the President's approval rating. Even so the political process is effectively gridlocked and it will so remain until the end of the current Congress.

Day-to-day and week-to-week changes in the polls are at most statistical noise. So it is with Gallup , PPP, Rasmussen, or even SurveyUSA.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 05, 2011, 03:08:06 PM
6% rule, lol


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 05, 2011, 06:20:11 PM
I am positive neither pbrower or JJ's analyses are biased by their political beliefs at all.

I don't know.  I think Obama can win in a good economy.  However, I think we're heading into recession.  We'll know the second one first.

Obviously, Obamacare was not politically popular.

We're can't be entering a new recession, we never left the old one. If we keep getting private sector job growth through 2012, then we'll see a fairly big victory for Barack Obama.

'Obamacare' was not unpopular in the fashion that you appear to be spinning it. A lot of people did not like Obama's healthcare reform because they thought it did not go far enough, and that will not drive them to vote for Mitt Romney, or whoever the GOP candidate will be.

Your definition of a recession is a weird one. Under the standard definition, the recession ended in June 2009. There is no rule that says, "you can't have another recession until you have regained all the lost GDP and jobs". That is not how the cycles of expansion and contraction work.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 05, 2011, 06:21:29 PM
I am positive neither pbrower or JJ's analyses are biased by their political beliefs at all.

I don't know.  I think Obama can win in a good economy.  However, I think we're heading into recession.  We'll know the second one first.

Obviously, Obamacare was not politically popular.

We're can't be entering a new recession, we never left the old one. If we keep getting private sector job growth through 2012, then we'll see a fairly big victory for Barack Obama.

'Obamacare' was not unpopular in the fashion that you appear to be spinning it. A lot of people did not like Obama's healthcare reform because they thought it did not go far enough, and that will not drive them to vote for Mitt Romney, or whoever the GOP candidate will be.

Obama's big strategy was to pass Obamacare and this, according to him, was going to raise Democrats popularity and secure Congress.  How many seats did it gain the Democrats in the House in 2010?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 05, 2011, 06:23:43 PM

Gallup, meh- Obama

Approve:  41%, u

Disapprove:  52%, u



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: bloombergforpresident on August 05, 2011, 10:25:54 PM
Do you think Obama's numbers might dip into the 30s since the debt downgrade?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on August 05, 2011, 10:28:00 PM
Do you think Obama's numbers might dip into the 30s since the debt downgrade?

Almost certainly.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 05, 2011, 10:30:21 PM

Have you ever seen the rationale?

If anything I am less generous than Nate Silver because  an incumbent President can never get more than 62% of the vote. On the other side, I assume that if the President's approval rating is below 40% in a state, then he is unlikely to do much campaigning in that state.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: bloombergforpresident on August 05, 2011, 10:35:01 PM
Do you think Obama's numbers might dip into the 30s since the debt downgrade?

Almost certainly.

Agreed. He's screwed especially since the stock markets might plunge Monday.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 05, 2011, 10:47:16 PM
Obam+ runs the very good chance of being seen as:

1.  An ineffectual leader.

2.  The president who brought economic disaster.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on August 05, 2011, 10:48:40 PM
Obam+ runs the very good chance of being seen as:

1.  An ineffectual leader.

2.  The president who brought economic disaster.

lol

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the nation right now if you think that only Barack Obama will be seen in a poor light. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on August 05, 2011, 11:29:45 PM
We will see how Obama performs come 2012, and if he's in the same waters compared to 2011, he's gone.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 05, 2011, 11:59:47 PM
Obam+ runs the very good chance of being seen as:

1.  An ineffectual leader.

2.  The president who brought economic disaster.

lol

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the nation right now if you think that only Barack Obama will be seen in a poor light. 

He's currently the only president in the running. He's suppose to be the guy in charge.  Re-elections are referendums of incumbents.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 06, 2011, 12:37:14 AM
We will see how Obama performs come 2012, and if he's in the same waters compared to 2011, he's gone.

I think this is the key.  Obama, or Obam+, could survive very low poll numbers, if there is time to recover.  Reagan and Clinton were in the mid-30's, but it was prior to 18 months out.

Ford, Carter, and GHW Bush all "troughed" in the last 18 months of their presidencies, and all recovered a bit by election day, but none of them won that election.

GW Bush was the bit of the exception, but his numbers bounced from a post 911 trough in 2003 (Iraq invasion).

All this is from Gallup.

Obama has not yet troughed, and I'd expect his numbers go lower.  If this was August of 2009 or 2010, I'd say this was totally meaningless.  It's 2011.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on August 06, 2011, 09:19:43 AM
Obam+ runs the very good chance of being seen as:

1.  An ineffectual leader.

2.  The president who brought economic disaster.

lol

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the nation right now if you think that only Barack Obama will be seen in a poor light. 

He's currently the only president in the running. He's suppose to be the guy in charge.  Re-elections are referendums of incumbents.

Yes, it is a referendum of the incumbent, but the Republicans are also going to get a hellstorm of anger as well. You are incredibly silly if you somehow think that only Barack Obama is going to get anger over the debt crisis that the GOP manufactured.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on August 06, 2011, 09:29:56 AM
We will see how Obama performs come 2012, and if he's in the same waters compared to 2011, he's gone.

I think this is the key.  Obama, or Obam+, could survive very low poll numbers, if there is time to recover.  Reagan and Clinton were in the mid-30's, but it was prior to 18 months out.

Ford, Carter, and GHW Bush all "troughed" in the last 18 months of their presidencies, and all recovered a bit by election day, but none of them won that election.

GW Bush was the bit of the exception, but his numbers bounced from a post 911 trough in 2003 (Iraq invasion).

All this is from Gallup.

Obama has not yet troughed, and I'd expect his numbers go lower.  If this was August of 2009 or 2010, I'd say this was totally meaningless.  It's 2011.

1. HW had approvals in the 70s before his trough.

2. Neither Carter nor Bush really recovered from their trough, and Ford is a special case that is pretty incomparable. Carter was somewhere in the 30s on election day, and Bush was around 40%. Meanwhile, Truman troughed around the same time Obama looks to be about to, and went on to recover and win re-election.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 06, 2011, 09:53:56 AM
Rasmussen is still at 47-52 today.

And:

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Rasmussen Reports has conducted a new poll on the race for the GOP nomination in Iowa. This is our first poll of the 2012 Iowa caucus. Results will be released Sunday when Scott Rasmussen guest hosts a radio show on WMAL 630AM in Washington, DC and WLS 890AM in Chicago, two of the nation’s top news talk radio stations. The show will be streamed live online at 3:00 p.m. Eastern as well.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 06, 2011, 10:07:33 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47, u.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -u.

As with yesterday, either some improvement for Obama, or a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 06, 2011, 10:52:40 AM
We will see how Obama performs come 2012, and if he's in the same waters compared to 2011, he's gone.

I think this is the key.  Obama, or Obam+, could survive very low poll numbers, if there is time to recover.  Reagan and Clinton were in the mid-30's, but it was prior to 18 months out.

Ford, Carter, and GHW Bush all "troughed" in the last 18 months of their presidencies, and all recovered a bit by election day, but none of them won that election.

GW Bush was the bit of the exception, but his numbers bounced from a post 911 trough in 2003 (Iraq invasion).

All this is from Gallup.

Obama has not yet troughed, and I'd expect his numbers go lower.  If this was August of 2009 or 2010, I'd say this was totally meaningless.  It's 2011.

1. HW had approvals in the 70s before his trough.

2. Neither Carter nor Bush really recovered from their trough, and Ford is a special case that is pretty incomparable. Carter was somewhere in the 30s on election day, and Bush was around 40%. Meanwhile, Truman troughed around the same time Obama looks to be about to, and went on to recover and win re-election.

1.  GHW Bush's high poll numbers are irrelevant because we are talking the low. His low was 29% in August of 1992.

2.  I think neither Carter nor Bush (and both had other factors in their poll numbers) basically had any time to recover, and that is the point.  Turman's Gallup first term trough was in September 1946. at 33%.  He was up to 56% by mid March in 1947.  He dropped again in 1948, but never to those lows.

The question will be, will Obama trough over the next six months?  His low as 40% as a single number, but on the comparison chart he's at his lowest now, 42%.  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx  Arguably, he's troughing on Gallup, but is he going to go lower?  No president has lost re-election with a maximum trough that high, but none have won re-election with the maximum trough in the 18 months prior to the election.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on August 06, 2011, 12:57:53 PM
Oh, please, you had the same situation with Reagan, a small majority in the Senate and an increasingly hostile House; his attempts to run against Tip O'Neil failed.  As for the Tea Party, as noted, they didn't get everything they wanted, because of the Senate.

Obama would have to do what Clinton did, and triangulate.  When he tried with Democrats in the Senate, he got shot down.  Then he lapsed into passivity.

I doubt that this shift to the GOP is reversible.  Further, Obama, the incumbent, seems to be much less popular than Obama the candidate.  As for seniors, Obama was the one promoting Medicare cuts, and Obamacare, one he said would solve everything, hasn't.

People are wiser to how Obama will do as president, because they've him do it for four years (in 2012).  "Yes we can" is rapidly becoming "No he hasn't."  He's losing groups across the boards; he's only up with a majority with Democrats, African Americans, and people with advanced degrees.  There is a fair amount of over in that group.

If the economy improves by January, he had good shot; if after that, the economy doesn't clear up, he's done for.

Obama basically has to get the economy improving by the second quarter of next year.  If the economy starts to turn around in the summer of 2012, it will be too late.  People's opinions about the economy harden sometime between March and June of an election year.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on August 06, 2011, 01:24:11 PM
Gallup (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx)

Dissaprove: 50% (-2)

Approve: 42% (+1)



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on August 06, 2011, 01:24:45 PM
Oh, please, you had the same situation with Reagan, a small majority in the Senate and an increasingly hostile House; his attempts to run against Tip O'Neil failed.  As for the Tea Party, as noted, they didn't get everything they wanted, because of the Senate.

Obama would have to do what Clinton did, and triangulate.  When he tried with Democrats in the Senate, he got shot down.  Then he lapsed into passivity.

I doubt that this shift to the GOP is reversible.  Further, Obama, the incumbent, seems to be much less popular than Obama the candidate.  As for seniors, Obama was the one promoting Medicare cuts, and Obamacare, one he said would solve everything, hasn't.

People are wiser to how Obama will do as president, because they've him do it for four years (in 2012).  "Yes we can" is rapidly becoming "No he hasn't."  He's losing groups across the boards; he's only up with a majority with Democrats, African Americans, and people with advanced degrees.  There is a fair amount of over in that group.

If the economy improves by January, he had good shot; if after that, the economy doesn't clear up, he's done for.

Obama basically has to get the economy improving by the second quarter of next year.  If the economy starts to turn around in the summer of 2012, it will be too late.  People's opinions about the economy harden sometime between March and June of an election year.

Yes dear, we all know. That's why McCain won in '08.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 06, 2011, 03:51:09 PM
Oh, please, you had the same situation with Reagan, a small majority in the Senate and an increasingly hostile House; his attempts to run against Tip O'Neil failed.  As for the Tea Party, as noted, they didn't get everything they wanted, because of the Senate.

Obama would have to do what Clinton did, and triangulate.  When he tried with Democrats in the Senate, he got shot down.  Then he lapsed into passivity.

I doubt that this shift to the GOP is reversible.  Further, Obama, the incumbent, seems to be much less popular than Obama the candidate.  As for seniors, Obama was the one promoting Medicare cuts, and Obamacare, one he said would solve everything, hasn't.

People are wiser to how Obama will do as president, because they've him do it for four years (in 2012).  "Yes we can" is rapidly becoming "No he hasn't."  He's losing groups across the boards; he's only up with a majority with Democrats, African Americans, and people with advanced degrees.  There is a fair amount of over in that group.

If the economy improves by January, he had good shot; if after that, the economy doesn't clear up, he's done for.

Obama basically has to get the economy improving by the second quarter of next year.  If the economy starts to turn around in the summer of 2012, it will be too late.  People's opinions about the economy harden sometime between March and June of an election year.

Yes dear, we all know. That's why McCain won in '08.

Not to mention GHW Bush. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 06, 2011, 04:44:02 PM
Obam+ runs the very good chance of being seen as:

1.  An ineffectual leader.

2.  The president who brought economic disaster.

1. He was extremely effectual in the first half of his first (or only term, depending on your predictions). In the second half... the rules changed. He needs majorities in both Houses of Congress to be effective.  In view of how polarized the two main political parties are, no President could be effective. There's little room for moral suasion. Power is everything and persuasion is nothing except at election time.

2.  He may not have brought disaster, but he has no quick cure. Maybe the Republicans can offer a quick cure, but it is likely to come with some unpleasant features. More work at far lower pay? A virtual giveaway of the public sector to monopolistic profiteers?

No politician can instil consumer confidence when all reality is economic fear. People who fear that their job may disappear without another opening up will not buy big-ticket items on a long-term installment plan. No politician can tell people that buying a new house when foreclosures are commonplace that "there has never been a better time to invest in personal housing" without eliciting derisive laughs.

Easy credit may vanish. Government expenditures will shrink at all levels.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 06, 2011, 05:01:31 PM
Obam+ runs the very good chance of being seen as:

1.  An ineffectual leader.

2.  The president who brought economic disaster.

1. He was extremely effectual in the first half of his first (or only term, depending on your predictions). In the second half... the rules changed. He needs majorities in both Houses of Congress to be effective.  In view of how polarized the two main political parties are, no President could be effective. There's little room for moral suasion. Power is everything and persuasion is nothing except at election time.


I have not predicted anything yet.  In the first term, Obama was not a leader, especially on legal issues.

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2.  He may not have brought disaster, but he has no quick cure. Maybe the Republicans can offer a quick cure, but it is likely to come with some unpleasant features. More work at far lower pay? A virtual giveaway of the public sector to monopolistic profiteers?

No politician can instil consumer confidence when all reality is economic fear. People who fear that their job may disappear without another opening up will not buy big-ticket items on a long-term installment plan. No politician can tell people that buying a new house when foreclosures are commonplace that "there has never been a better time to invest in personal housing" without eliciting derisive laughs.

Easy credit may vanish. Government expenditures will shrink at all levels.   

Easy credit has vanished.  A good leader could have come up with a painful, but necessary deal.  Obama actually talked about Obamacare as a cost saving measure.  His problems just got worse, but as I've pointed out, we are not seeing the trough as of yet.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on August 06, 2011, 05:03:11 PM
Oh, please, you had the same situation with Reagan, a small majority in the Senate and an increasingly hostile House; his attempts to run against Tip O'Neil failed.  As for the Tea Party, as noted, they didn't get everything they wanted, because of the Senate.

Obama would have to do what Clinton did, and triangulate.  When he tried with Democrats in the Senate, he got shot down.  Then he lapsed into passivity.

I doubt that this shift to the GOP is reversible.  Further, Obama, the incumbent, seems to be much less popular than Obama the candidate.  As for seniors, Obama was the one promoting Medicare cuts, and Obamacare, one he said would solve everything, hasn't.

People are wiser to how Obama will do as president, because they've him do it for four years (in 2012).  "Yes we can" is rapidly becoming "No he hasn't."  He's losing groups across the boards; he's only up with a majority with Democrats, African Americans, and people with advanced degrees.  There is a fair amount of over in that group.

If the economy improves by January, he had good shot; if after that, the economy doesn't clear up, he's done for.

Obama basically has to get the economy improving by the second quarter of next year.  If the economy starts to turn around in the summer of 2012, it will be too late.  People's opinions about the economy harden sometime between March and June of an election year.

Yes dear, we all know. That's why McCain won in '08.

Do you not follow economics at all?  The economy was already horrid in the beginning of 2008, with unemployment rising from 4.5% in late 2007 to 5.5% in June 2008.  Not to mention that the economy contracted by -.2% in the first half of 2008.  No incumbent party survives numbers like that.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 06, 2011, 05:05:24 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47, u.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -u.

As with yesterday, either some improvement for Obama, or a bad sample.

It's back to where things were when I stereotypically had full confidence in the ability of the President to get re-elected.

So much for a 'vastly-changed universe'.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 06, 2011, 05:52:48 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47, u.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -u.

As with yesterday, either some improvement for Obama, or a bad sample.

It's back to where things were when I stereotypically had full confidence in the ability of the President to get re-elected.

So much for a 'vastly-changed universe'.


Except you added a few words to the "quote."  If you had to do that, you must be convinced Obama will lose.

 I'm still looking for the trough.  I think it is likely the US will be in recession and that will be devastating for Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on August 06, 2011, 06:07:13 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47, u.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -u.

As with yesterday, either some improvement for Obama, or a bad sample.

It's back to where things were when I stereotypically had full confidence in the ability of the President to get re-elected.

So much for a 'vastly-changed universe'.


Except you added a few words to the "quote."  If you had to do that, you must be convinced Obama will lose.

 I'm still looking for the trough.  I think it is likely the US will be in recession and that will be devastating for Obama.

If you had to make such a snarky assertion, you must be convinced that Barack Obama will actually win in a landslide!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 06, 2011, 06:24:36 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47, u.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -u.

As with yesterday, either some improvement for Obama, or a bad sample.

It's back to where things were when I stereotypically had full confidence in the ability of the President to get re-elected.

So much for a 'vastly-changed universe'.


Except you added a few words to the "quote."  If you had to do that, you must be convinced Obama will lose.

 I'm still looking for the trough.  I think it is likely the US will be in recession and that will be devastating for Obama.

If you had to make such a snarky assertion, you must be convinced that Barack Obama will actually win in a landslide!

Odysseus, go back and look at the quote.  I never wrote the last two lines, the "stereotypical" or "changed universe" lines.

I'm not yet predicting an Obama loss, but it is now clear that Obamanomics has failed.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on August 06, 2011, 06:29:21 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47, u.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -u.

As with yesterday, either some improvement for Obama, or a bad sample.

It's back to where things were when I stereotypically had full confidence in the ability of the President to get re-elected.

So much for a 'vastly-changed universe'.


Except you added a few words to the "quote." If you had to do that, you must be convinced Obama will lose.

 I'm still looking for the trough.  I think it is likely the US will be in recession and that will be devastating for Obama.

If you had to make such a snarky assertion, you must be convinced that Barack Obama will actually win in a landslide!

Odysseus, go back and look at the quote.  I never wrote the last two lines, the "stereotypical" or "changed universe" lines.

I'm not yet predicting an Obama loss, but it is now clear that Obamanomics has failed.

I was pointing out how you were making a ridiculous assertion that since pbrower was making fun of you, therefore he must believe that Obama has no chance.

I know that you didn't write those last two lines.

Also, what is "Obamanomics"? You keep throwing that term around like it means something.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 06, 2011, 06:31:56 PM
With enemies like Romney, Bachmann and Perry, who needs friends?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 06, 2011, 06:39:38 PM


I was pointing out how you were making a ridiculous assertion that since pbrower was making fun of you, therefore he must believe that Obama has no chance.

I know that you didn't write those last two lines.


What, by stating things that I've yet to say, even implied.  I've been the guy saying that you shouldn't count Obama out, though, I may change that opinion in the next several weeks.

Good, now we've establishes that you condone dishonesty.  Is that part of the Democratic Party platform?

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Also, what is "Obamanomics"? You keep throwing that term around like it means something.

Obamanomics:  Spend a lot of money, get nothing to show for it, and make the economy worse.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 06, 2011, 06:43:49 PM
With enemies like Romney, Bachmann and Perry, who needs friends?

With friends like Reid, who needs enemies?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on August 06, 2011, 09:03:45 PM


I was pointing out how you were making a ridiculous assertion that since pbrower was making fun of you, therefore he must believe that Obama has no chance.

I know that you didn't write those last two lines.


What, by stating things that I've yet to say, even implied.  I've been the guy saying that you shouldn't count Obama out, though, I may change that opinion in the next several weeks.

Good, now we've establishes that you condone dishonesty.  Is that part of the Democratic Party platform?

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Also, what is "Obamanomics"? You keep throwing that term around like it means something.

Obamanomics:  Spend a lot of money, get nothing to show for it, and make the economy worse.


Yes, clearly I am the dishonest one. Your definition of "Obamanomics" is not at all biased, hackish, laden with sarcasm, or dishonest.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 06, 2011, 09:58:38 PM


I was pointing out how you were making a ridiculous assertion that since pbrower was making fun of you, therefore he must believe that Obama has no chance.

I know that you didn't write those last two lines.


What, by stating things that I've yet to say, even implied.  I've been the guy saying that you shouldn't count Obama out, though, I may change that opinion in the next several weeks.

Good, now we've establishes that you condone dishonesty.  Is that part of the Democratic Party platform?

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Also, what is "Obamanomics"? You keep throwing that term around like it means something.

Obamanomics:  Spend a lot of money, get nothing to show for it, and make the economy worse.


Yes, clearly I am the dishonest one. Your definition of "Obamanomics" is not at all biased, hackish, laden with sarcasm, or dishonest.

No, just following a tradition, like Reaganomics.  Except, Reaganomics actually produced a good result.  Obananomics has not do date; does anyone here honestly think it will start?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on August 06, 2011, 10:57:03 PM


I was pointing out how you were making a ridiculous assertion that since pbrower was making fun of you, therefore he must believe that Obama has no chance.

I know that you didn't write those last two lines.


What, by stating things that I've yet to say, even implied.  I've been the guy saying that you shouldn't count Obama out, though, I may change that opinion in the next several weeks.

Good, now we've establishes that you condone dishonesty.  Is that part of the Democratic Party platform?

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Also, what is "Obamanomics"? You keep throwing that term around like it means something.

Obamanomics:  Spend a lot of money, get nothing to show for it, and make the economy worse.


Yes, clearly I am the dishonest one. Your definition of "Obamanomics" is not at all biased, hackish, laden with sarcasm, or dishonest.

No, just following a tradition, like Reaganomics.  Except, Reaganomics actually produced a good result.  Obananomics has not do date; does anyone here honestly think it will start?

And what exactly do you base the "has not produced a good result" part on? The economy has not gotten worse beyond what we had expected, or what we could attribute to President Bush It has been arguably getting better, until this whole debt cieling crisis that the Republicans in congress manufactured, which ultimately saw S&P's lowering of the US's credit rating.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 07, 2011, 06:01:46 AM

And what exactly do you base the "has not produced a good result" part on? 

Ah, the bond rating downgrade and the possible impending recession. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 07, 2011, 07:47:17 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47, u.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -u.

As with yesterday, either some improvement for Obama, or a bad sample.

It's back to where things were when I stereotypically had full confidence in the ability of the President to get re-elected.

So much for a 'vastly-changed universe'.


Except you added a few words to the "quote."  If you had to do that, you must be convinced Obama will lose.

 I'm still looking for the trough.  I think it is likely the US will be in recession and that will be devastating for Obama.

I didn't intend to. I intended this

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It's back to where things were when I stereotypically had full confidence in the ability of the President to get re-elected.

So much for a 'vastly-changed universe'.

to be outside the quote, as it is my material. My goof!

Sorry about that, and any unintended confusion!



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 07, 2011, 08:05:13 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47, u.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -u.

As with yesterday, either some improvement for Obama, or a bad sample.

It's back to where things were when I stereotypically had full confidence in the ability of the President to get re-elected.

So much for a 'vastly-changed universe'.


Except you added a few words to the "quote." If you had to do that, you must be convinced Obama will lose.

 I'm still looking for the trough.  I think it is likely the US will be in recession and that will be devastating for Obama.

If you had to make such a snarky assertion, you must be convinced that Barack Obama will actually win in a landslide!

Odysseus, go back and look at the quote.  I never wrote the last two lines, the "stereotypical" or "changed universe" lines.

I'm not yet predicting an Obama loss, but it is now clear that Obamanomics has failed.

1. I goofed in putting the "stereotypical" and "changed universe" within instead of outside of the quote.

2. There is no quick way of recovering the sort of economic growth that will satisfy most people. A booming economy is impossible now that the trust necessary for a boom is destroyed. It would be possible to get rapid economic growth, to be sure -- but few would like the means. (That is to compel people to work but give those who hire people to work no compulsion to pay those who do the work... essentially a totalitarian method out of Stalinism or National Socialism, even if it is then called "building free enterprise").

3. If we didn't have full employment during the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq,  then even wartime expenditures are no longer adequate for putting the unemployed back to work. We had high employment by current standards when the housing boom and subprime lending were devouring assets and offshoring of jobs were gutting the workforce except in the corrupt boom.

4. It is arguable that extreme disparities of wealth and deprivation, a core objective of right-wing economics, will compromise even the creation of wealth because the people who do the work will themselves be destitute and unable to support a consumer economy.

It is the consumer economy that serves as a check upon the worthiness of investments of capital. Sure, it is possible to create prosperity only for an elite in a society with no middle class -- think of the antebellum South -- but such is incompatible with political democracy except among the elite.      


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 07, 2011, 10:30:09 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47, u.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -u.

As with yesterday, either some improvement for Obama, or a bad sample.

It's back to where things were when I stereotypically had full confidence in the ability of the President to get re-elected.

So much for a 'vastly-changed universe'.


Except you added a few words to the "quote."  If you had to do that, you must be convinced Obama will lose.

 I'm still looking for the trough.  I think it is likely the US will be in recession and that will be devastating for Obama.

I didn't intend to. I intended this

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It's back to where things were when I stereotypically had full confidence in the ability of the President to get re-elected.

So much for a 'vastly-changed universe'.

to be outside the quote, as it is my material. My goof!

Sorry about that, and any unintended confusion!



And I am sorry about the accusation.  Consider it withdrawn with an apology.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 07, 2011, 10:33:25 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47, u.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, +1.

I think there is a bad sample in there someplace, and that I'm stating the obvious.  :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 07, 2011, 10:42:04 AM
Pbrower2a, I'm not sure that anything has changed, poll wise.  If Obama has troughed to the maximum point, he's troughed higher than any president, except GW Bush (and yes, there were other factors in that case).  GW Bush was re-elected.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 07, 2011, 11:25:07 AM
Pbrower2a, I'm not sure that anything has changed, poll wise.  If Obama has troughed to the maximum point, he's troughed higher than any president, except GW Bush (and yes, there were other factors in that case).  GW Bush was re-elected.

Budgetary processes are nasty; they bring about partisan bickering at its worst. Such is the same for Governor Tom Corbett (R-PA), whose polling results just shot up after the process was over, as for President Obama. Everyone gets pulled through the mud. The mud sticks far more to some politicians than to others -- like those seen as dictatorial, corrupt, or grossly incompetent. Scott Walker and Rick Scott are unlikely to recover politically from their troughs -- at least enough to be re-elected.

For good reason, electoral campaigns are not done during official budgeting -- and official budgeting is never done during an electoral campaign.

The political gridlock continues, and in 2012 American voters will decide who is culpable and vote accordingly -- after a long campaign season.  I expect the 112th Congress to be be regarded as one of the most ineffective and lowest-achieving in American history. If any incumbent President can translate a 47% approval rating into a 53% national vote share, then this is the one. He was a fine campaigner in 2008 and he will almost certainly be that again -- and he had a superb campaign apparatus now in mothballs that can be brought out quickly.

It will be a clear asset for almost any nominee for a House or Senate seat to be able to say convincingly "I will be able to work with President Obama, if necessary and appropriate, if elected (or re-elected)" in 2012... if the President seems likely to be re-elected. That could make a huge difference in Senatorial primaries in Indiana and Maine. Such may save some Republican careers -- and that is how American politics works at its best.  I miss the likes of Jacob Javits and Bob Dole. I also miss the Democratic "Blue Dogs".


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on August 07, 2011, 01:35:07 PM
Gallup (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx)

Dissaprove: 50% (nc)

Approve: 42% (nc)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 07, 2011, 09:29:14 PM
Pbrower2a, I'm not sure that anything has changed, poll wise.  If Obama has troughed to the maximum point, he's troughed higher than any president, except GW Bush (and yes, there were other factors in that case).  GW Bush was re-elected.

Budgetary processes are nasty; they bring about partisan bickering at its worst. Such is the same for Governor Tom Corbett (R-PA), whose polling results just shot up after the process was over, as for President Obama. Everyone gets pulled through the mud. The mud sticks far more to some politicians than to others -- like those seen as dictatorial, corrupt, or grossly incompetent. Scott Walker and Rick Scott are unlikely to recover politically from their troughs -- at least enough to be re-elected.


Corbett is a bad example, as PA Governor's numbers usually drop in the first year.  I have not seen any great change to Obama's number that seem to be related to the ceiling.

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The political gridlock continues, and in 2012 American voters will decide who is culpable and vote accordingly -- after a long campaign season.  I expect the 112th Congress to be be regarded as one of the most ineffective and lowest-achieving in American history. If any incumbent President can translate a 47% approval rating into a 53% national vote share, then this is the one. He was a fine campaigner in 2008 and he will almost certainly be that again -- and he had a superb campaign apparatus now in mothballs that can be brought out quickly.

I don't think it is gridlock and Obama is having some campaign problems.  Further, he'll be judged on performance.

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It will be a clear asset for almost any nominee for a House or Senate seat to be able to say convincingly "I will be able to work with President Obama, if necessary and appropriate, if elected (or re-elected)" in 2012... if the President seems likely to be re-elected. That could make a huge difference in Senatorial primaries in Indiana and Maine. Such may save some Republican careers -- and that is how American politics works at its best.  I miss the likes of Jacob Javits and Bob Dole. I also miss the Democratic "Blue Dogs".

I think you read too much into gridlock, especially since it did produce a tangible result, the debt ceiling being increased.  It might have produced an undesired result.

The problem now is, will interest rates increase, and will that push the economy into a [greater] recession?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on August 07, 2011, 09:59:22 PM
Pbrower2a, I'm not sure that anything has changed, poll wise.  If Obama has troughed to the maximum point, he's troughed higher than any president, except GW Bush (and yes, there were other factors in that case).  GW Bush was re-elected.

Eisenhower, Nixon, and Kennedy, if we're talking about first term troughs (which is all we can be talking about).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 07, 2011, 10:14:13 PM
Pbrower2a, I'm not sure that anything has changed, poll wise.  If Obama has troughed to the maximum point, he's troughed higher than any president, except GW Bush (and yes, there were other factors in that case).  GW Bush was re-elected.

Eisenhower, Nixon, and Kennedy, if we're talking about first term troughs (which is all we can be talking about).

I should have said since Watergate, but we obviously have no idea what JFK's numbers would have been in 1964. 



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on August 07, 2011, 10:31:36 PM
Pbrower2a, I'm not sure that anything has changed, poll wise.  If Obama has troughed to the maximum point, he's troughed higher than any president, except GW Bush (and yes, there were other factors in that case).  GW Bush was re-elected.

Eisenhower, Nixon, and Kennedy, if we're talking about first term troughs (which is all we can be talking about).

I should have said since Watergate, but we obviously have no idea what JFK's numbers would have been in 1964. 



Ah, then I agree with you.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 07, 2011, 10:37:13 PM
Pbrower2a, I'm not sure that anything has changed, poll wise.  If Obama has troughed to the maximum point, he's troughed higher than any president, except GW Bush (and yes, there were other factors in that case).  GW Bush was re-elected.

Eisenhower, Nixon, and Kennedy, if we're talking about first term troughs (which is all we can be talking about).

I should have said since Watergate, but we obviously have no idea what JFK's numbers would have been in 1964. 



Ah, then I agree with you.

Both Eisenhower and Nixon were off their lows, though. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on August 07, 2011, 10:40:32 PM
Pbrower2a, I'm not sure that anything has changed, poll wise.  If Obama has troughed to the maximum point, he's troughed higher than any president, except GW Bush (and yes, there were other factors in that case).  GW Bush was re-elected.

Eisenhower, Nixon, and Kennedy, if we're talking about first term troughs (which is all we can be talking about).

I should have said since Watergate, but we obviously have no idea what JFK's numbers would have been in 1964. 



Ah, then I agree with you.

Both Eisenhower and Nixon were off their lows, though. 

Eisenhower, yes. Nixon? Not exactly.

From the Gallup Graph, it appears that Nixon was right around his trough. He had a pretty long lukewarm period at 48-50% in late 1971, with a small bump in Oct. 1971. But he was most certainly not "off his low".


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 08, 2011, 08:57:57 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46, -1.

Disapprove 52%,+1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.

I think a bad pro-Obama sample slipped out today, but I'm not seeing any real downward trend.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 08, 2011, 10:06:44 AM
Pbrower2a, I'm not sure that anything has changed, poll wise.  If Obama has troughed to the maximum point, he's troughed higher than any president, except GW Bush (and yes, there were other factors in that case).  GW Bush was re-elected.

Eisenhower, Nixon, and Kennedy, if we're talking about first term troughs (which is all we can be talking about).

I should have said since Watergate, but we obviously have no idea what JFK's numbers would have been in 1964. 



Ah, then I agree with you.

Both Eisenhower and Nixon were off their lows, though. 

Eisenhower, yes. Nixon? Not exactly.

From the Gallup Graph, it appears that Nixon was right around his trough. He had a pretty long lukewarm period at 48-50% in late 1971, with a small bump in Oct. 1971. But he was most certainly not "off his low".

Well, he was.  Nixon's first term low was both shallow and late.  It was late June 1971, and 48%.  That was his lowest first term number.  He didn't improve greatly for the remainder of 1971, but he was always off that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 08, 2011, 10:29:40 AM
In any event, the activities of the White House "plumbers" did little harm to the approval ratings of President Nixon until deep into the second term, and only when the legal issues caved in upon Nixon. But if the such deeds as the Watergate burglary and the violation of the files of Daniel Ellsberg didn't damage Nixon, then the economic mess unfolding about as Nixon resigned would have gotten to him. Economic realities have more direct effect upon approval of the President than just about anything else.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on August 08, 2011, 10:31:44 AM
Pbrower2a, I'm not sure that anything has changed, poll wise.  If Obama has troughed to the maximum point, he's troughed higher than any president, except GW Bush (and yes, there were other factors in that case).  GW Bush was re-elected.

Eisenhower, Nixon, and Kennedy, if we're talking about first term troughs (which is all we can be talking about).

I should have said since Watergate, but we obviously have no idea what JFK's numbers would have been in 1964. 



Ah, then I agree with you.

Both Eisenhower and Nixon were off their lows, though. 

Eisenhower, yes. Nixon? Not exactly.

From the Gallup Graph, it appears that Nixon was right around his trough. He had a pretty long lukewarm period at 48-50% in late 1971, with a small bump in Oct. 1971. But he was most certainly not "off his low".

Well, he was.  Nixon's first term low was both shallow and late.  It was late June 1971, and 48%.  That was his lowest first term number.  He didn't improve greatly for the remainder of 1971, but he was always off that.

Yes, but "off his lows" would seem to imply that he's way above them. It's very clear that the trough was in mid-late 1971 for Nixon.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 08, 2011, 12:13:00 PM
Gallup is 43-48 (+1, -2) today.

They also have a state-by-state approval map for the first half of 2011:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/148874/Obama-Job-Approval-Higher-States.aspx

Interesting that Georgia, Mississippi and Arizona are so favorable for Obama, all other states are about as expected.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 08, 2011, 12:58:24 PM
Gallup is 43-48 (+1, -2) today.

They also have a state-by-state approval map for the first half of 2011:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/148874/Obama-Job-Approval-Higher-States.aspx

Interesting that Georgia, Mississippi and Arizona are so favorable for Obama, all other states are about as expected.

This may not be my favored map, but based upon the Gallup averages I can show all states.

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Note that this is an average over time, and it may average events better than the short-term polls. Or believe what you want. This does not supersede any of my earlier polls.

Approval 53% or higher 70% red (90% if approval is above 80% -- DC only  
Approval 50% or higher 50% red
Approval under 50% but higher than disapproval 30% red (tie 20%)
Approval 44%-49% but less than disapproval -- white
Approval 40%-43% but disapproval lower than 50% (green 20%)
Approval 40%-43% but disapproval  50% or higher 40% blue
Approval under 40% 60% blue (90% if under 30%)


Don't ask me to explain Oregon, New Hampshire, Mississippi, or South Dakota.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 08, 2011, 03:44:07 PM
We are not seeing Obama trough yet.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bull Moose Base on August 08, 2011, 03:49:00 PM
We are not seeing Obama trough yet.

How the Hell would we know that?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 08, 2011, 03:52:46 PM

He's not too far off his lows, and his low was still relatively high (on Gallup).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Biden is your president. Deal with it. on August 08, 2011, 04:01:26 PM
yeah he is up to 43 now on gallup


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 08, 2011, 05:28:11 PM
In any event, the activities of the White House "plumbers" did little harm to the approval ratings of President Nixon until deep into the second term, and only when the legal issues caved in upon Nixon. But if the such deeds as the Watergate burglary and the violation of the files of Daniel Ellsberg didn't damage Nixon, then the economic mess unfolding about as Nixon resigned would have gotten to him. Economic realities have more direct effect upon approval of the President than just about anything else.

Well, nobody knew about the Plumbers in 1971.  :)  Watergate wasn't until 1972, so it didn't affect his 1971 numbers.  Gallup didn't bother to poll in some of the late summer/early fall of 1972.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: mondale84 on August 08, 2011, 10:08:46 PM


Don't ask me to explain Oregon, New Hampshire, Mississippi, or South Dakota.

But, Mississippi has been sticking out over the past year for these weird approval ratings...what is going on in the Magnolia State? Any locals care to enlighten the ignorant masses?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Ex-Factor on August 09, 2011, 01:48:30 AM
Racial polarization.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 09, 2011, 05:49:03 AM

Mississippi is extremely polarized in race and politics. To an extent not known elsewhere, the Republican Party is effectively the White People's Party and the Democratic Party is the Black People's Party. Mississippi has places with black majorities, and the polarization allows machine-boss politics characteristic of large cities even in small towns. The idea that one could vote for the other Party so that one might sweep out the crooks and under-performers is out of the question in Mississippi.  Such fosters corruption and incompetence irrespective of who the majority is. Stories of corruption among black elected officials are commonplace (white people are no better because machine politics is commonplace among whites, too), and that makes white people dread any black politician even if he isn't a corrupt member of a political machine.

The experience that  white Mississippians have with black politicians is very poor, so guess what Barack Obama reminds them of? The corrupt and incompetent hick-town black politicians who easily get re-elected nit whose political careers end when they get caught by the legal system, federal or state, for leasing a car and diverting it for use by a family member who has no official duties, collecting or soliciting bribes, or simply embezzling from the local treasury.

If Mississippi white people voted as do white people in Kentucky, to be sure a very conservative state in its politics, then Mississippi would have gone for President Obama and would never vote for so racist a politician as Trent Lott. About 40% of white Kentuckians vote Democratic... but the state has few blacks, so about the only Democratic nominees for President that Kentuckians have voted for in the last  fifty years are Southern white moderates (LBJ, Carter once, Clinton)  But Kentucky has few blacks, so the last northern liberal that Kentucky voted for was John F. Kennedy.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 09, 2011, 08:51:37 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, -1.

Disapprove 55%, +3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +2.

Now I am seeing a downward trend, if these numbers hold.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lucius Quintus Cincinatus Lamar on August 09, 2011, 11:09:35 AM


Don't ask me to explain Oregon, New Hampshire, Mississippi, or South Dakota.

But, Mississippi has been sticking out over the past year for these weird approval ratings...what is going on in the Magnolia State? Any locals care to enlighten the ignorant masses?

Must be bad polling sampling.  Mississippi is one of the few states where nationally whites are almost as much a block vote as blacks.  CNN exit polling showed 88% of whites voted for McCain, 98% of blacks voted for Obama.  I agree with pbrower2a that on a national level, the Repubs are the party of the whites and the Dems are the party of the blacks, but that is not accurate at the state level, where I do not believe there has been a Republican majority in either house since reconstruction.  In fact, in most rural areas of the state, white dems dominate local government.

From my observation, attitudes from either race have not changed.  I would expect at least 88% of whites to vote Republican and at least 95% of blacks to vote Obama.  I think this year's election will have a slightly higher ratio of white to black voters due to the lack of novelty of a black candidate (maybe 65-30 white, up from 62-33 in 2008), as a result, I would expect an easy Rep victory, probably along the lines of 58-42 or 59-41 up from 56-43 in 2008.

pbrower2a is also right that if Mississippi whites were as moderate as whites in other border south states, Mississippi would be consistently blue (or red on this site).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 09, 2011, 12:09:26 PM
Gallup down to 40-50 [-3, +2] again.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 09, 2011, 12:33:11 PM
PPP - DailyKos - SEIU:

47% Approve
50% Disapprove

51% Favorable
46% Unfavorable

Public Policy Polling, 1000 Registered Voters, MoE 3.1%, August 4, 2011 - August 7, 2011

http://dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/8/4


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 09, 2011, 12:33:40 PM


Don't ask me to explain Oregon, New Hampshire, Mississippi, or South Dakota.

But, Mississippi has been sticking out over the past year for these weird approval ratings...what is going on in the Magnolia State? Any locals care to enlighten the ignorant masses?

Must be bad polling sampling.  Mississippi is one of the few states where nationally whites are almost as much a block vote as blacks.  CNN exit polling showed 88% of whites voted for McCain, 98% of blacks voted for Obama.  I agree with pbrower2a that on a national level, the Repubs are the party of the whites and the Dems are the party of the blacks, but that is not accurate at the state level, where I do not believe there has been a Republican majority in either house since reconstruction.  In fact, in most rural areas of the state, white dems dominate local government.

From my observation, attitudes from either race have not changed.  I would expect at least 88% of whites to vote Republican and at least 95% of blacks to vote Obama.  I think this year's election will have a slightly higher ratio of white to black voters due to the lack of novelty of a black candidate (maybe 65-30 white, up from 62-33 in 2008), as a result, I would expect an easy Rep victory, probably along the lines of 58-42 or 59-41 up from 56-43 in 2008.


It could also be that white Mississippians could recognize that even if Barack Obama is a black man, he does not fit their fears of race-based cronyism and economic radicalism. He could win the state if military/diplomatic issues or natural disasters  are on center-stage (and positive for the President) or if the GOP candidate scares people on Social Security or Medicare.
But that is a gigantic "if". The last northern liberal to win the state was John F. Kennedy, and before that FDR. (I don't consider Adlai Stevenson much more liberal than Dwight Eisenhower, especially on racial issues. Blacks would have voted for Eisenhower in Mississippi... with another huge "if" attached, as they just didn't vote in Mississippi in those days).

It could also be bad sampling. Take a good look at Oregon, which would make sense if Gallup over-sampled eastern Oregon, which is about as conservative as Idaho.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 09, 2011, 12:45:57 PM
Marist/McClatchy Newspapers Poll:

44% Approve
46% Disapprove

52% Favorable
41% Unfavorable

This survey of 1,000 adults was conducted on August 2nd through August 4th, 2011. Adults 18 years of age and older residing in the continental United States were interviewed by telephone. Telephone numbers were selected based upon a list of telephone exchanges from throughout the nation. The exchanges were selected to ensure that each region was represented in proportion to its population. To increase coverage, this land-line sample was supplemented by respondents reached through random dialing of cell phone numbers. The two samples were then combined. Results are statistically significant within ±3.0 percentage points. There are 807 registered voters. The results for this subset are statistically significant within ±3.5 percentage points. The error margin increases for crosstabulations.

Link (http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/usapolls/US110802/Debt%20Ceiling_Obama_Congress/Complete%20August%209,%202011%20USA%20McClatchy-Marist%20Poll%20Release%20and%20Tables.pdf)

CBS/NYT Poll:

48% Approve
47% Disapprove

This poll was conducted by telephone on August 2-3, 2011 among 960 adults nationwide who were first interviewed in two polls: a CBS News/New York Times Poll conducted June 24-28, 2011 and a CBS News Poll conducted July 15-17, 2011. Phone numbers were dialed from samples of both standard land-line and cell phones. The error due to sampling for results based on the entire sample could be plus or minus three percentage points. The error for subgroups is higher. This poll release conforms to the Standards of Disclosure of the National Council on Public Polls.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/Aug11a-all.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lucius Quintus Cincinatus Lamar on August 09, 2011, 01:04:44 PM

It could also be that white Mississippians could recognize that even if Barack Obama is a black man, he does not fit their fears of race-based cronyism and economic radicalism. He could win the state if military/diplomatic issues or natural disasters  are on center-stage (and positive for the President) or if the GOP candidate scares people on Social Security or Medicare.
But that is a gigantic "if". The last northern liberal to win the state was John F. Kennedy, and before that FDR. (I don't consider Adlai Stevenson much more liberal than Dwight Eisenhower, especially on racial issues. Blacks would have voted for Eisenhower in Mississippi... with another huge "if" attached, as they just didn't vote in Mississippi in those days).

It could also be bad sampling. Take a good look at Oregon, which would make sense if Gallup over-sampled eastern Oregon, which is about as conservative as Idaho.  

I think there may be something to a candidate who pledged to eliminate or severely cut back on Medicaid or Social Security (in a Ron Paul-type mode), but that is a long shot.  Rand Paul won in Kentucky by promising big cuts and that state would probably be more spooked by a cutting Social Sec/Medicaid threat than MS would.  Best case for Obama under any circumstance is probably a 5-7 point loss.  I also have to disagree with you on the 1960 election, if memory serves correct, Mississippi's EVs went to unpledged electors, not Kennedy.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 09, 2011, 03:27:32 PM
Technically speaking this is not a Presidential approval poll, so its results will not appear on my approval map. But it has some interesting consequences.

Quote
Colorado Survey Results

Q1 Do you think the debt deal passed in
Washington this week is a good thing or a bad
thing for our economy?

Good............................................................... 25%
Bad ................................................................. 55%
Not sure .......................................................... 21%

Q2 Who do you think is more responsible for the
debt deal being passed: President Obama and
Congressional Democrats, the Republicans in
Congress, or both equally?

President Obama and Congressional
Democrats ......................................................30%
Congressional Republicans ............................ 28%
Both equally .................................................... 37%
Not sure .......................................................... 5%

Q3 Do you think the deal that was reached this
week will solve the deficit problem or not?
Will solve the problem..................................... 3%
Will not ............................................................ 85%
Not sure .......................................................... 12%

Q4 Some argue that we need another economic
stimulus package to create jobs. This could
prevent another recession in the long term but
also may create a bigger deficit in the short
term. Based on this information, would you
support or oppose another economic stimulus?
Support ........................................................... 32%
Oppose ........................................................... 56%
Not sure .......................................................... 12%

Q5 Which president's administration do you think
is more responsible for the recession:
President Bush's administration or President
Obama's?
Bush administration ........................................ 54%
Obama administration..................................... 39%
Not sure .......................................................... 7%

Q6 At the end of the Bush administration and the
beginning of the Obama administration, the
economy was losing an average of 700,000
jobs a month. Now, the economy is adding
jobs. Who do you think deserves more credit
for the turnaround: President Obama or the
Republicans?

President Obama............................................ 50%
The Republicans............................................. 33%
Not sure .......................................................... 17%

Q7 Do you think that spending cuts alone can
solve the deficit problem, or do you think there
needs to be a combination of spending cuts
and additional taxes to solve it?

Spending cuts alone can solve the deficit
problem...........................................................31%
Needs to be a combination of spending cuts
and additional taxes........................................ 59%
Not sure .......................................................... 11%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_CONC_0809.pdf

(Save this page if you want to see the results for North Carolina further down the page).

Conclusions for a critical state in 2012:

1. Coloradans don't like the Debt Ceiling deal -- by a wide margin.

2. They seem to exculpate President Obama and blame Dubya and Congressional Republicans.

3. They want a stimulus, but just don't call it a stimulus.

4. People want the super-rich to face higher taxes to solve the deficit and don't believe in "supply-side" economics anymore.

5. President Obama can get away with offering to renounce the Debt Ceiling commitments if he must... but the Republicans are stuck with the consequences.

6. Republicans can expect to lose some of Congressional seats in Colorado in 2012. It is impossible to be stuck with a raw deal for constituents -- or worse, opposing an unpopular  piece of legislation by claiming that it isn't hard-line enough -- and not face very bad effects.

7. In case anyone shouts "bias" -- the sample voted 41-50, McCain/Obama, which is about the same as the gap between McCain and Obama voters in 2008.

If things remain the same in Colorado as this poll suggests, Colorado is going to offer ugly results for Republicans in 2012.  

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 09, 2011, 03:46:41 PM
Technically speaking this is not a Presidential approval poll, so its results will not appear on my approval map. But it has some interesting consequences.

Now, North Carolina:

Quote
North Carolina Survey Results

Q1 Do you think the debt deal passed in
Washington this week is a good thing or a bad
thing for our economy?
Good............................................................... 25%
Bad ................................................................. 46%
Not sure .......................................................... 29%

Q2 Who do you think is more responsible for the
debt deal being passed: President Obama and
Congressional Democrats, the Republicans in
Congress, or both equally?

President Obama and Congressional
Democrats ...................................................... 24%
Congressional Republicans ............................ 32%
Both equally .................................................... 39%
Not sure .......................................................... 5%

Q3 Do you think the deal that was reached this
week will solve the deficit problem or not?
Will solve the problem..................................... 4%
Will not ............................................................ 80%
Not sure .......................................................... 16%

Q4 Some argue that we need another economic
stimulus package to create jobs. This could
prevent another recession in the long term but
also may create a bigger deficit in the short
term. Based on this information, would you
support or oppose another economic stimulus?

Support ........................................................... 30%
Oppose ........................................................... 53%
Not sure .......................................................... 17%

Q5 Which president's administration do you think
is more responsible for the recession:
President Bush's administration or President
Obama's?

Bush administration ........................................ 50%
Obama administration..................................... 42%
Not sure .......................................................... 8%

Q6 At the end of the Bush administration and the
beginning of the Obama administration, the
economy was losing an average of 700,000
jobs a month. Now, the economy is adding
jobs. Who do you think deserves more credit
for the turnaround: President Obama or the
Republicans?

President Obama............................................ 49%
The Republicans............................................. 33%
Not sure .......................................................... 18%

Q7 Do you think that spending cuts alone can
solve the deficit problem, or do you think there
needs to be a combination of spending cuts
and additional taxes to solve it?

Spending cuts alone can solve the deficit
problem........................................................... 32%
Needs to be a combination of spending cuts
and additional taxes........................................53%
Not sure .......................................................... 15%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_CONC_0809.pdf

Note: the poll for North Carolina is on the same page as that for Colorado, only far down the page.

Conclusions for a state that the Republicans dare not lose in 2012:

1. North Carolinians don't quote give a plurality of dislike for this deal, but they dislike it much more than they like it.

2. They seem to exculpate President Obama and blame Dubya and Congressional Republicans, if not by as wide a margin as Coloradans do. But Republicans have their work cut out to hold onto the Tar Heel State.

3. They want a stimulus, but just don't call it a stimulus.

4. People want the super-rich to face higher taxes to solve the deficit and don't believe in "supply-side" economics anymore.

5. President Obama can get away with offering to renounce the Debt Ceiling commitments if he must... but the Republicans are stuck with the consequences in the event of a failure.

6. Republicans can expect to lose some of Congressional seats in North Carolina in 2012. It is impossible to be stuck with a raw deal for constituents -- or worse, opposing an unpopular  piece of legislation by claiming that it isn't hard-line enough -- and not face very bad effects.

7. PPP did not show a split between McCain and Obama voters here.

If things remain the same in North Carolina as this poll suggests, North Carolina is going to offer ugly results for Republicans in 2012. President Obama doesn't need North Carolina to win in 2012, but he can hardly fail to be re-elected if he wins it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 09, 2011, 04:10:35 PM
The polling you posted does not adequately back up all the points you are making.

I especially would like to know which of those numbers backs up #5 for both CO and NC. Your number 2s seem switched and both seem to exaggerate the results. Number three is also a conclusion that I don't see a basis for. Four is nothing new. 6 seems presumptive, especially when redistricting isn't even been started in CO and the only people worried about losing seats in NC is the Democrats. Brad Miller is even thinking of running in the fourth against fellow Dem Brad Miller, according to "On The Record", a local political show.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 09, 2011, 05:51:08 PM
The polling you posted does not adequately back up all the points you are making.

I especially would like to know which of those numbers backs up #5 for both CO and NC. Your number 2s seem switched and both seem to exaggerate the results. Number three is also a conclusion that I don't see a basis for. Four is nothing new. 6 seems presumptive, especially when redistricting isn't even been started in CO and the only people worried about losing seats in NC is the Democrats. Brad Miller is even thinking of running in the fourth against fellow Dem Brad Miller, according to "On The Record", a local political show.


It doesn't take much of a margin to swing the balance of power in the House -- as shown in 2010. Sure, redistricting can make things more difficult for Democrats -- but such redistricting damage that Republicans did to Democrats after 2000 has probably been done as much as possible.

My #5 is a presumption that if the Deficit Ceiling does more harm than good, then President Obama can more easily back away from it than can Republicans. This is one of few pieces of non-trivial legislation that Republicans have successfully passed in both houses. It is a GOP objective, and something that the President recognized as the best possible deal for the time. He can run against it if it fails, and Republicans are stuck with it.   If the President finds that his supporters want some enhanced public spending and so does the public, then guess who is out of luck.

I;m guessing on details within the states. I have never been in either, but I can read statistical evidence.

Sure, Q6 looks almost like a push poll question, so I hope that I make little of it. Mercifully it comes toward the end. The results of Q7 are likely exaggerated to some extent, but not enough to discount a 28% gap (Colorado) or a 21% gap (North Carolina).

In any event, it looks like trouble for anyone running against President Obama in 2012. As for effects on Congress -- 1  Republican loss here, 2 there, and 3 somewhere else ... add enough of them and one has enough seats shifting to create a Democratic majority. It's something that I can't rule out overall. Colorado and North Carolina are dissimilar enough that they don't exaggerate some effect related to themselves alone.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 09, 2011, 06:04:11 PM

Obama is now tied for his Gallup low point.  Even though it is late, at this point it is still relatively high as a trough.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 09, 2011, 06:06:14 PM
@pbrower
I wasn't talking about the questions in the poll. I was talking about your "points", "interpretations", etc.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on August 09, 2011, 07:20:35 PM
Will Obama top 50% ever again in Gallup? I know 15months is a long time in politics, but barring some sort of miracle, I think he's done for now.

Again, I maintain he's very lucky to have not touched the upper 30s yet. Imagine if this was Bush....


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on August 09, 2011, 09:25:00 PM
Will Obama top 50% ever again in Gallup? I know 15months is a long time in politics, but barring some sort of miracle, I think he's done for now.

Again, I maintain he's very lucky to have not touched the upper 30s yet. Imagine if this was Bush....

Yes, he will.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 10, 2011, 05:04:05 AM
New Jersey (Monmouth):

Adults: 54-37
Registered Voters: 52-39

The Monmouth University/NJ Press Media Poll was conducted by telephone with 802 New
Jersey adults and 730 registered voters from August 3 to 8, 2011. This sample has a margin of error of + 3.5 percent.

http://www.monmouth.edu/polling/admin/polls/MUP40_1.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 10, 2011, 05:09:04 AM
Will Obama top 50% ever again in Gallup? I know 15months is a long time in politics, but barring some sort of miracle, I think he's done for now.

Again, I maintain he's very lucky to have not touched the upper 30s yet. Imagine if this was Bush....

Forget Gallup. Gallup is probably on the lowest of low ranges for Obama right now.

Better follow the results of PPP. They have a proven record so far.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CARLHAYDEN on August 10, 2011, 06:14:42 AM
I have examined the most recent surveys on the Obama Job Peformance, and find them all questionable.

The Gallup survey of 1500 Adults from August 6 through 8, which has a 40% approval to 50% disapproval, has an unusually large “undecided” group of 10%.

The Rasmussen poll for the same dates of 1500 Likely Voters, which has a 45% approval to 55% disapproval, suffers from having too few (actually, none) in the “undecided” category.

The Opinion Research survey of 1008 Adults from August 5 through 7, has a 44% approval to a 54% disapproval, the most ‘reasonable’ (in my judgment) of them all.

The Marist survey of 807 Registered Voters from August 2 through 4 has 44% approval to 46% disapproval, and is doubly flawed. Not only does it have an unusually large “undecided” category (particularly for Registered voters), but, examining the composition of the group, it is weighted for Democrats and against Republicans.   If a more realistic weighting were used it would have a 41% job approval to a 51% job disapproval.

The PPP survey of 1002 Registered Voters for August 4 through 7, indicated a job approval higher than any of the other polls (47%) and a disapproval of only 50%.  While the “not sure” of 3% is quite reasonable, the survey is heavily tilted Democrat (as is to be expected).  If adjusted for realistic breakout, the approval would be 44% approval and 53% disapproval.

The job approval/disapproval average at Pollster.com is 51.5% disapprove to 43.6 approve.

The job approval/disapproval average at Real Clear Politics is 49.8% disapprove to 43.7% approve.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: tpfkaw on August 10, 2011, 08:32:04 AM
Latest Gallup approval ratings map!

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 10, 2011, 08:47:07 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43, -2.

Disapprove 56%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.

It, in theory, could be a bad sample, but I doubt it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CultureKing on August 10, 2011, 11:25:22 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43, -2.

Disapprove 56%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.

It, in theory, could be a bad sample, but I doubt it.

Agreed, I see Obama staying in this range for the next few months. It'll be hard for him to break out of the melancholy.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 10, 2011, 03:10:51 PM
Gallup, meh:

Favorable: 41% +1

Unfavorable:  51% -1

No troughing yet.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on August 10, 2011, 03:26:05 PM
Gallup, meh:

Favorable: 41% +1

Unfavorable:  51% -1

No troughing yet.


Huh?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on August 10, 2011, 03:27:59 PM
Gallup, meh:

Favorable: 41% +1

Unfavorable:  51% -1

No troughing yet.


Huh?

Obama has not toughed yet - the Bradley effect will soon come into play.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 10, 2011, 03:44:22 PM
Quote
Colorado Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 46%
Disapprove...................................................... 50%
Not sure .......................................................... 4%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Michele Bachmann, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Michele Bachmann ......................................... 39%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Herman Cain, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Herman Cain................................................... 35%
Undecided....................................................... 14%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 54%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 38%
Undecided....................................................... 8%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Rick
Perry, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Rick Perry ....................................................... 38%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 48%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 41%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_CO_08101118.pdf

......

The President may be underwater in approval, but no imaginable republican nominee is close to defeating him.  This poll demonstrates how it is possible for the President to be underwater in the polls in a state yet have a commanding lead over every imaginable opponent in a state.  Americans are down on almost all politicians, but generally less down on the President. Maybe they are just getting fussier about results, which is a very good thing for America.

President Barack Obama would defeat Mitt Romney by almost the same margin as that by which he defeated John McCain in 2008, but win this state in a landslide against anyone else.   

Monmouth, New Jersey:

Quote
Obama’s Garden State job rating now stands at 54% approve to 37% disapprove among all
residents and 52% to 39% among registered voters.

http://www.monmouth.edu/polling/admin/polls/MUP40_1.pdf


 
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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  135
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    55
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 72
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  63
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  73
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   16





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Here's the rationale:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html

...and I am less charitable to an incumbent President than is Nate Silver.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  135
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    55
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 75
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  0
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  11
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but  Romney 35
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  44
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 87
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  0
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 10, 2011, 04:39:07 PM
Gallup, meh:

Favorable: 41% +1

Unfavorable:  51% -1

No troughing yet.


Huh?

Obama has not toughed yet - the Bradley effect will soon come into play.

Yesterday Obama's was tied for the lowest rate on Gallup.  Most presidents hit a low point, then start building, but there is an absolute bottom, a trough; after that, they rebound.  Obama has not troughed yet.  His numbers are still relatively high.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on August 11, 2011, 12:09:06 AM
J.J. can apparently predict the future now as well.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 11, 2011, 08:34:56 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43, u.

Disapprove 56%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.

Outside chance this is a bad sample.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 11, 2011, 01:35:08 PM
Gallup, meh:

Approve:  51

Disapprove:  41

Bad even for Gallup?  :)  No, somebody probably screwed up the graphic; their line graph showed the numbers reversed.



J.J. can apparently predict the future now as well.

Apparently, since he didn't increase.  I used my mystical abilities to divine the result.  (In actuality, I just looked at his graphs.)

And I should say "out of the trough."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 11, 2011, 02:13:05 PM
Gallup, meh:

Approve:  51

Disapprove:  41

Bad even for Gallup?  :)  No, somebody probably screwed up the graphic; their line graph showed the numbers reversed.


They fixed it.

Approve:  41%, u

Disapprove:  51%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 12, 2011, 05:08:12 AM
New York State (Quinnipiac):

Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling his job as President?

45% Approve (-12)
49% Disapprove (+11)

Voters split 48 - 46 percent on whether President Obama deserves reelection and say 49 - 34 percent they would vote for him over an unnamed Republican.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1636


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on August 12, 2011, 05:09:29 AM
New York State (Quinnipiac):

Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling his job as President?

45% Approve (-12)
49% Disapprove (+11)

Voters split 48 - 46 percent on whether President Obama deserves reelection and say 49 - 34 percent they would vote for him over an unnamed Republican.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1636

Wat.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 12, 2011, 05:11:54 AM
New York State (Quinnipiac):

Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling his job as President?

45% Approve (-12)
49% Disapprove (+11)

Voters split 48 - 46 percent on whether President Obama deserves reelection and say 49 - 34 percent they would vote for him over an unnamed Republican.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1636

Wat.

It will be very interesting to see what pbrower does with his map now ... ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 12, 2011, 05:36:47 AM
This reminds me of their poll from 2010 that had Paladino performing really well.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 12, 2011, 09:24:52 AM
PPP, NC

Quote
Approve .......................................................... 46%
Disapprove...................................................... 50%

...

Barack Obama................................................ 46%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 43%

Barack Obama................................................ 48%
Rick Perry ....................................................... 40%

Barack Obama................................................ 50%
Michele Bachmann ......................................... 40%

Barack Obama................................................ 50%
Herman Cain................................................... 37%

Barack Obama................................................ 52%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 39%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_0811424.pdf

New York State (Quinnipiac):

Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling his job as President?

45% Approve (-12)
49% Disapprove (+11)

Voters split 48 - 46 percent on whether President Obama deserves reelection and say 49 - 34 percent they would vote for him over an unnamed Republican.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1636

Wat.

It will be very interesting to see what pbrower does with his map now ... ;)

The poll comes from immediately after the budget deal. I suspect that the loss in support for the President comes from the liberal base of the Democratic Party in New York, one that considers the Deficit Ceiling deal a sell-out.  What might have worked well in a relatively-conservative state like North Carolina is a flop in New York State. Take a look at the approval for the Governor of New York in New York, who needs little compromise with such types as Senators Mitch McConnell and James DeMint:

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August 10, 2011 - Cuomo Is 'good,' 'competent,' 'trying,' New York State Voters Tell Quinnipiac University Poll; Gov Is Better Leader Than Obama, Bloomberg

"Good," "competent," "trying," "honest" and "OK" top the list when 1,640 New York State voters use one word to describe Gov. Andrew Cuomo, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today. For example 76 voters say "good," followed by 51 who say "competent" and another 51 who say "trying" as in attempting. These are actual voter counts, not percentages.

Except for "arrogant" at number nine on the list, "liberal," a word that goes either way, at 13 and "disappointed" at 22, the 30 top words are positive. Way down the list, 6 people say "bully" and 5 people say "sleazy," but the words are overwhelmingly positive throughout.

In fact, only one person offered a profanity.

New York State voters approve 62 - 22 percent of the job Gov. Cuomo is doing, compared to 64 - 19 percent in a June 29 survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe- ack) University. Voters say 64 - 12 percent that they like Cuomo as a person and 61 - 26 percent that they like most of his policies.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1634

The deal is a success if it works for President Obama -- and if it is a failure should the economy begin to tank, then he will be able to renounce it at any time. All that the Republicans can possibly offer in the event of an economic downturn is exactly the sorts of economic policies that lead to an economic downturn or non-cures (basically cutting taxes for the super-rich). 

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  106
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    55
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 116
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  48
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  73
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   16





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Here's the rationale:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html

...and I am less charitable to an incumbent President than is Nate Silver.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  129
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    55
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 119
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  0
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  11
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but  Romney 35
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  29
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 87
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  0
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18  



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 12, 2011, 10:31:52 AM
Quote
Colorado Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of Governor
John Hickenlooper’s job performance?
Approve................. 54%
Disapprove............ 24%
Not sure ................ 22%

Q2 Do you approve or disapprove of Senator Mark
Udall's job performance?
Approve ................. .45%
Disapprove............. .34%
Not sure ................. .22%

Q3 Do you approve or disapprove of Senator
Michael Bennet's job performance?
Approve ................. .44%
Disapprove............. .36%
Not sure ................. .21%

Q5 If you could do last fall’s election for US Senate
over again, would you vote for Democrat
Michael Bennet or Republican Ken Buck?

Michael Bennet ............................................... 55%
Ken Buck ........................................................ 38%
Not sure .......................................................... 7%


http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_CO_0811925.pdf

In case you wonder why Colorado shows so well for President Obama -- it could be that the state has been going very D this year. Note that Michael Bennett barely defeated Ken Buck in November. 

Colorado may have been about R+1 in 2008... but it is probably D+4 or so now, which is about where Minnesota is.

It could also be that Colorado Democrats are also very competent politicians.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 12, 2011, 04:09:26 PM
Gallup, meh:

Approve:  41%, u

Disapprove:  51%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on August 13, 2011, 06:30:13 AM
New York State (Quinnipiac):

Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling his job as President?

45% Approve (-12)
49% Disapprove (+11)

Voters split 48 - 46 percent on whether President Obama deserves reelection and say 49 - 34 percent they would vote for him over an unnamed Republican.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1636


fake poll. Outlier.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Niemeyerite on August 13, 2011, 07:03:59 AM
New York State (Quinnipiac):

Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling his job as President?

45% Approve (-12)
49% Disapprove (+11)

Voters split 48 - 46 percent on whether President Obama deserves reelection and say 49 - 34 percent they would vote for him over an unnamed Republican.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1636


fake poll. Outlier.

sure, a republican can't be trailing by 15 points in NY :p


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 13, 2011, 08:47:59 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, +1.

Disapprove 54%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 13, 2011, 02:24:45 PM
Gallup, meh:

Approve:  42%, +1

Disapprove:  51%, u.

Obama might be moving out of the trough.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on August 13, 2011, 05:29:25 PM
Gallup, meh:

Approve:  42%, +1

Disapprove:  51%, u.

Obama might be moving out of the trough.

I use a 30 day rolling average for Gallup...  Very "pure" polling with almost no sample stratification.  Damn hard to do these days.  Give them credit for keeping the "old school" alive :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 13, 2011, 06:55:35 PM
Gallup, meh:

Approve:  42%, +1

Disapprove:  51%, u.

Obama might be moving out of the trough.

I use a 30 day rolling average for Gallup...  Very "pure" polling with almost no sample stratification.  Damn hard to do these days.  Give them credit for keeping the "old school" alive :)

It is late August 1914, and I'm trying to see where von Kluck is heading.  :)

I'm trying to find the point, as early as possible, where Obama's poll numbers start making an upswing.  Gallup, though not my favorite pollster, has a fairly long and accessible record, and that is good for making comparisons.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 14, 2011, 10:32:06 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, u.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 20%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 14, 2011, 12:18:59 PM
Under 40% for the first time in Gallup polling:

Approve: 39%(-3%)

Disapprove: 54%(+3%)



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: exopolitician on August 14, 2011, 12:20:25 PM
Hah what?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on August 14, 2011, 12:54:31 PM
Under 40% for the first time in Gallup polling:

Approve: 39%(-3%)

Disapprove: 54%(+3%)



Whenever I see a tracking poll move 6% in one day my first reaction is always "blip"

That being said...

The distribution of Obama approval in the last 15 polls on the RCP average is:


45, 45, 45, 45, 45, 45, 45, 45
44, 44, 44, 44, 44, 44, 44
42
39

When 15 consecutive polls from 12 different polling organizations show no better than 45%, well, the numbers are what they are.......

Even Democracy Corpse (D) showed a minus 5 net approval, 45/50 with a -15 intensity rating. (25% strongly approve versus 40% strongly disapprove) for Obama.

This same poll showed the GOP +6 on the Economy (To be fair, there is SOME good news in the DC poll if you're a Dem)

Not sure I quite believe 39%, but It's darn hard to make an argument Obama is any better than 44% or 45%

Obama is, give or take a point or so, where Bush was in the summer of 2004 at the height of the Abu Garab (sp?) prison mess - Perhaps the S&P downgrade is Obama's Abu Garab?

The Bush versus Obama polling is similar in other ways - both candidates had their base strick with them, both candidates retained higher personal favorability ratings that job approval ratings.

As of now, 2012 looks a lot like 2004 to me at the presidential level.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: zorkpolitics on August 14, 2011, 01:04:12 PM
Obama average approval now at -3.1  (RealClear), he has been in negative territory for about 2 weeks, I expect he get some sort a bump when the debt ceiling is raised and he takes credit for whatever "compromise" occurs.

Well I admit I was wrong.
There was no bump for Obama, his approval has dropped to -7.1, his approval, 43.4% is the lowest in his Presidency.
Can he turn it around?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on August 14, 2011, 01:12:48 PM
It really is astounding that his approval ratings are still as high as they are, but you have to take into account that he is being artificially inflated by the fact that blacks support him no matter what and the growing hispanic population is 20 points to the left of whites. His white approval rating at 39% is probably like 30% or less.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 14, 2011, 01:19:07 PM
It really is astounding that his approval ratings are still as high as they are, but you have to take into account that he is being artificially inflated by the fact that blacks support him no matter what and the growing hispanic population is 20 points to the left of whites. His white approval rating at 39% is probably like 30% or less.

Because it's only white voters who matter. ::)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on August 14, 2011, 01:30:51 PM

Because it's only white voters who actually turn out and vote that matter. ::)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 14, 2011, 02:26:44 PM
Gallup, meh:

Approve:  39%, -3.

Disapprove:  54%, +3.

Obama is not out of the trough.  He's either at the bottom or on the way down to the bottom.

J.J. can apparently predict the future now as well.

No "apparently" about it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 14, 2011, 02:36:15 PM
At this point out from the election, Obama is lower than all prior presidents since the end of 1942, except for Reagan and Carter.  Reagan was well off his low; Carter was also just coming off his low.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on August 14, 2011, 03:59:14 PM
Ah, so he admits he believes he can predict the future now. lololol


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 14, 2011, 04:06:17 PM
Ah, so he admits he believes he can predict the future now. lololol

No, I admit that I just did, in this case.  No "apparently" about it, since this the low point, so far, for Obama on Gallup. 

Did you just become the 2011 version of "Mypalfish?"



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on August 14, 2011, 05:00:27 PM

It is late August 1914, and I'm trying to see where von Kluck is heading.  :)


An obscure, but generally correct metaphor...

Von Kluck: A general who, due to his own catastrophic errors let his forces to a substantial defeat (despite have greater resources than the enemy) and who maintained till his death that the defeat was the result of errors made by others and that he himself was blameless.....  

Not sure the personal reputation for brutality quite fits.. unless 'bama has an unknown dark side....


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on August 14, 2011, 05:54:53 PM
J.J.: PROPHET OF GALLUP


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 14, 2011, 05:57:35 PM

It is late August 1914, and I'm trying to see where von Kluck is heading.  :)


An obscure, but generally correct metaphor...

Von Kluck: A general who, due to his own catastrophic errors let his forces to a substantial defeat (despite have greater resources than the enemy) and who maintained till his death that the defeat was the result of errors made by others and that he himself was blameless.....  

Not sure the personal reputation for brutality quite fits.. unless 'bama has an unknown dark side....

Well, I'm casting Obama in the role of the French, who won the next major battle, 1st Marne, and the war.

On August 31, 1914, a French cavalry captain named Lepic, was on a Reconnaissance mission northwest of Compiegne.  He saw the edge of von Kluck's First Army pass.  It was heading southeast, toward Compiegne.  Paris was southwest of his position.

Captain Lepic reported three things.  The German were asking the locals, in bad French, where the English were.  The Uhlans, the German cavalry, had stopped wearing their czapki (a type of helmet) and were wearing cloth caps.  And finally, oh, the Germans were on the road heading southeast, away from Paris.  :)

Basically, I'm looking for the point where Obama can look at the poll numbers and say, "Well, it's going to get better from this point out," or "It will never be as bad as it was back in ___ ."  We are not at that point yet.

BTW:  I blame von Bülow, tactically, and von Moltke, for sending 2 corps to East Prussia, more than I do von Kluck.

(That might be an alternate history story one day.)

Most other president, except G W Bush, could look at their numbers and say that, at this point


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on August 14, 2011, 05:59:23 PM
The President's approval is at 39%, and it was a -3% jump downward. It'll go back up soon. Well, back from the 30s, probably.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 14, 2011, 06:03:26 PM

Well, I was the prophet there.  :)

Let's see how I do with gold and the market, not to mention the realignment.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 14, 2011, 06:05:16 PM
The President's approval is at 39%, and it was a -3% jump downward. It'll go back up soon. Well, back from the 30s, probably.

Maybe, but I'll looking for the low point on Gallup.  It's just a measure of where the basement is.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on August 14, 2011, 06:11:21 PM
The President's approval is at 39%, and it was a -3% jump downward. It'll go back up soon. Well, back from the 30s, probably.

Maybe, but I'll looking for the low point on Gallup.  It's just a measure of where the basement is.

Yes, but you must stop looking for the "low point". Try to analyze the results, instead of looking for what you want to see.


Well, I was the prophet there.  :)

Let's see how I do with gold and the market, not to mention the realignment.

Please get over yourself.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 14, 2011, 06:26:20 PM
The President's approval is at 39%, and it was a -3% jump downward. It'll go back up soon. Well, back from the 30s, probably.

Maybe, but I'll looking for the low point on Gallup.  It's just a measure of where the basement is.

Yes, but you must stop looking for the "low point". Try to analyze the results, instead of looking for what you want to see.

I am, but I'm looking at a long term comparison, going back to 1975.  On Obama's weekly averages, he's lower than any other president, except Reagan (barely, and possibly not after this week), and Carter.  Both Carter and Reagan were off their low points, by this point, and Obama is either at or heading lower.  I'm looking for the point where he starts heading upward.

Quote

Well, I was the prophet there.  :)

Let's see how I do with gold and the market, not to mention the realignment.

Please get over yourself.

[/quote]

Both you and Lief made an issue of it, so don't blame me.  Maybe you and Lief can start a "I will now accept my accolades" thread.  :)

Just see where it is going and remember that I'm looking for the point where Obama's numbers improve.  That means that, prophetically, I expect them to improve.  :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on August 14, 2011, 11:45:53 PM


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 14, 2011, 11:58:02 PM

I corrected you post, Lief, though I doubt that you'll understand immediately.  The Vorlon will.

I'm looking for the point where the numbers start going up, and we obviously are not there yet.  I do expect them to.

Sometimes, it is easy to know what will happen, based on what has happened.  There is whole thread looking at it, in detail.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on August 15, 2011, 12:47:43 AM
I corrected you post, Lief, though I doubt that you'll understand immediately.  The Vorlon will.

Yes, I imagine two dumbs who like to make grand and incorrect pronouncements will understand each other well.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 15, 2011, 12:50:41 AM
I corrected you post, Lief, though I doubt that you'll understand immediately.  The Vorlon will.

Yes, I imagine two dumbs who like to make grand and incorrect pronouncements will understand each other well.

The second prophecy is fulfilled.  Anybody want to me to call them when I get Powerball numbers?

Oh, and Lief, 39% is lower than 40%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on August 15, 2011, 07:14:23 AM
Tarrance Group

Iowa LVs

Obama approval: 43-52
Strong Disapprove: 46%

Independents: 32-61
Strong Disapprove: 51%

http://www.tarrance.com/wp-con​tent/uploads/2011/08/American-​Action-Network-Iowa-Statewide-​Release.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 15, 2011, 08:37:12 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, u.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 20%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on August 15, 2011, 09:52:38 AM
I corrected you post, Lief, though I doubt that you'll understand immediately.  The Vorlon will.

Yes, I imagine two dumbs who like to make grand and incorrect pronouncements will understand each other well.

The second prophecy is fulfilled.  Anybody want to me to call them when I get Powerball numbers?

Oh, and Lief, 39% is lower than 40%.

Indeed, 39% is one number less than 40%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 15, 2011, 10:39:57 AM
I corrected you post, Lief, though I doubt that you'll understand immediately.  The Vorlon will.

Yes, I imagine two dumbs who like to make grand and incorrect pronouncements will understand each other well.

The second prophecy is fulfilled.  Anybody want to me to call them when I get Powerball numbers?

Oh, and Lief, 39% is lower than 40%.

Indeed, 39% is one number less than 40%.

No, no, I assure you that both 39 and 40 contain two numbers each.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CARLHAYDEN on August 15, 2011, 10:40:29 AM
Under 40% for the first time in Gallup polling:

Approve: 39%(-3%)

Disapprove: 54%(+3%)



Whenever I see a tracking poll move 6% in one day my first reaction is always "blip"

That being said...

The distribution of Obama approval in the last 15 polls on the RCP average is:


45, 45, 45, 45, 45, 45, 45, 45
44, 44, 44, 44, 44, 44, 44
42
39

When 15 consecutive polls from 12 different polling organizations show no better than 45%, well, the numbers are what they are.......

Even Democracy Corpse (D) showed a minus 5 net approval, 45/50 with a -15 intensity rating. (25% strongly approve versus 40% strongly disapprove) for Obama.

This same poll showed the GOP +6 on the Economy (To be fair, there is SOME good news in the DC poll if you're a Dem)

Not sure I quite believe 39%, but It's darn hard to make an argument Obama is any better than 44% or 45%

Obama is, give or take a point or so, where Bush was in the summer of 2004 at the height of the Abu Garab (sp?) prison mess - Perhaps the S&P downgrade is Obama's Abu Garab?

The Bush versus Obama polling is similar in other ways - both candidates had their base strick with them, both candidates retained higher personal favorability ratings that job approval ratings.

As of now, 2012 looks a lot like 2004 to me at the presidential level.

First, I believe that the Gallup methodology results is some rather erratic swings.  They gave his astronomical job performance ratings in early 2009, and now are giving him ratings lower than just about any other poll.

Second, I have found Democracy Corps to be generally pretty reasonable.  Unlike R2K (remember how I told you their numbers were suspect years ago?) or the new version R2L (PPP).

Third, what is most interesting is the intensity ratings, where Democracy Corps largely mirrors Rasmussen.  I can not understand why Gallup isn't using the Stapleometer (which they developed).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 15, 2011, 10:56:40 AM
Unlike R2K (remember how I told you their numbers were suspect years ago?) or the new version R2L (PPP).

You won't give up, won't you ?

There´s no reason to believe that PPP fakes the results like R2000.

Take for example the Wisconsin SD 30 race, a race that was not polled by any other company before PPP. They found that the Democrat would win by 62-34, he won by 67-33. If we take into account the undecideds (4%), of which the Democrat gained another 3 points and the Republican 1, the projected PPP result would have been 65-35.

Now, if PPP made up numbers, why wouldn't they have said that the Democrat wins by 54-42, or by 56-41, or by 70-28 ?

PPP's continued accuracy over time shows that they actually went into the field in these districts and that they are not making up numbers out of the air. If they were really faking the numbers, they probably shouldn't be in the polling business but playing in the lottery, because their accurate predictions would win them most likely a jackpot.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CARLHAYDEN on August 15, 2011, 11:31:16 AM
Under 40% for the first time in Gallup polling:

Approve: 39%(-3%)

Disapprove: 54%(+3%)



Whenever I see a tracking poll move 6% in one day my first reaction is always "blip"

That being said...

The distribution of Obama approval in the last 15 polls on the RCP average is:


45, 45, 45, 45, 45, 45, 45, 45
44, 44, 44, 44, 44, 44, 44
42
39

When 15 consecutive polls from 12 different polling organizations show no better than 45%, well, the numbers are what they are.......

Even Democracy Corpse (D) showed a minus 5 net approval, 45/50 with a -15 intensity rating. (25% strongly approve versus 40% strongly disapprove) for Obama.

This same poll showed the GOP +6 on the Economy (To be fair, there is SOME good news in the DC poll if you're a Dem)

Not sure I quite believe 39%, but It's darn hard to make an argument Obama is any better than 44% or 45%

Obama is, give or take a point or so, where Bush was in the summer of 2004 at the height of the Abu Garab (sp?) prison mess - Perhaps the S&P downgrade is Obama's Abu Garab?

The Bush versus Obama polling is similar in other ways - both candidates had their base strick with them, both candidates retained higher personal favorability ratings that job approval ratings.

As of now, 2012 looks a lot like 2004 to me at the presidential level.

First, I believe that the Gallup methodology results is some rather erratic swings.  They gave his astronomical job performance ratings in early 2009, and now are giving him ratings lower than just about any other poll.

When Gallup did the first Job Approval poll for Obama from January 21 through 23 of 2009, they had an absurd 68% approval to a 12% disapproval.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html#polls

Second, I have found Democracy Corps to be generally pretty reasonable.  Unlike R2K (remember how I told you their numbers were suspect years ago?) or the new version R2L (PPP).

Third, what is most interesting is the intensity ratings, where Democracy Corps largely mirrors Rasmussen.  I can not understand why Gallup isn't using the Stapleometer (which they developed).



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CARLHAYDEN on August 15, 2011, 11:39:49 AM
Unlike R2K (remember how I told you their numbers were suspect years ago?) or the new version R2L (PPP).

You won't give up, won't you ?

There´s no reason to believe that PPP fakes the results like R2000.

Take for example the Wisconsin SD 30 race, a race that was not polled by any other company before PPP. They found that the Democrat would win by 62-34, he won by 67-33. If we take into account the undecideds (4%), of which the Democrat gained another 3 points and the Republican 1, the projected PPP result would have been 65-35.

Now, if PPP made up numbers, why wouldn't they have said that the Democrat wins by 54-42, or by 56-41, or by 70-28 ?

PPP's continued accuracy over time shows that they actually went into the field in these districts and that they are not making up numbers out of the air. If they were really faking the numbers, they probably shouldn't be in the polling business but playing in the lottery, because their accurate predictions would win them most likely a jackpot.

Lets take a look at your assertions, would harm their reputation.

First, one can generally pretty easily estimate election results based on historical results (psephology), so a plausible PPP poll means basically nothing.  For a survey research firm to produce irrational numbers.

Second, there are two major methods of testing the plausibility of a survey research firms numbers: one is to look at their methodology, which includes (among other things) their sample composition, and two, to look at their results compared to other relibable survey research firms.

Now, on other posts with respect to PPP, I have examined both basis for the period since they becaume the pollster for Daily Kos (as you know).

PPP is interesting in that prior to becoming the PPP (and SIEU) pollster, they had a reputation for getting pretty good results from unusually small samples.

Since becoming the Daily Kos pollster, they have produced some really bizarre polls (see Colorado).

Now, as Vorlon can tell you, I was on to R2K long before Nate Silver,


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on August 15, 2011, 11:58:39 AM
I corrected you post, Lief, though I doubt that you'll understand immediately.  The Vorlon will.

Yes, I imagine two dumbs who like to make grand and incorrect pronouncements will understand each other well.

Gee, thanks...

I don't quite remember ever remember taking a crap in your morning cornflakes.. but apparently somewhere along the way I did....


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Iosif on August 15, 2011, 12:08:42 PM
Obama's back up to 41% in Gallup.

I guess he's finished troughing.

The deluge is still yet to come.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 15, 2011, 01:02:11 PM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  41%, +2.

Disapprove:  52%, -2.
Obama's back up to 41% in Gallup.

I guess he's finished troughing.

The deluge is still yet to come.

He might or he might not, but at least Obama is heading in the right (not by my standards) direction today.

It would be ironic if maximum trough was August 30.  :)




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 15, 2011, 02:00:30 PM
UTAH - MASON DIXON:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 15, 2011, 02:35:24 PM
Ohio (PPP):

44% Approve
52% Disapprove

Wisconsin (PPP):

45% Approve
51% Disapprove

Quote
Obama with independents: 34/59 in Ohio, 40/52 in Wisconsin. Ouch"

http://twitter.com/ppppolls


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 15, 2011, 02:50:30 PM
Utah gets to show us what 70% disapproval looks like on the map -- very clearly due to its large area.

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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  106
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    55
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 116
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  48
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  73
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   16





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Here's the rationale:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html

...and I am less charitable to an incumbent President than is Nate Silver.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  106
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    55
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 119
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  0
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  11
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but  Romney 35
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  29
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 87
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  0
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18  




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 15, 2011, 02:56:52 PM
Ohio (PPP):

44% Approve
52% Disapprove

Wisconsin (PPP):

45% Approve
51% Disapprove

Quote
Obama with independents: 34/59 in Ohio, 40/52 in Wisconsin. Ouch"

http://twitter.com/ppppolls

I will have to see how the President does against potential GOP nominees  before I post these polls on my map. I got a hint on Ohio that he would defeat anyone.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on August 15, 2011, 05:34:27 PM

I'll go out on a limb and declare Utah as "Likely Republican" in 2012

I have DC leaning to the Democrats.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CARLHAYDEN on August 15, 2011, 08:49:09 PM

I'll go out on a limb and declare Utah as "Likely Republican" in 2012

I have DC leaning to the Democrats.

Heck, I would stick my neck out and predict that Hawaii will probably support the Democrat party nominee for President in 2012 while Wyoming will probably support the Republican party nominee in the same year for the same office.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on August 15, 2011, 10:38:24 PM
Heck, I would stick my neck out and predict that Hawaii will probably support the Democrat party nominee for President in 2012 while Wyoming will probably support the Republican party nominee in the same year for the same office.

Hawaii's going to specifically support a Thai party's candidate for an office that doesn't currently exist in Thailand? That is an unusual prediction. What's your reasoning?

Agreed on Wyoming.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CARLHAYDEN on August 16, 2011, 10:45:00 AM
Heck, I would stick my neck out and predict that Hawaii will probably support the Democrat party nominee for President in 2012 while Wyoming will probably support the Republican party nominee in the same year for the same office.

Hawaii's going to specifically support a Thai party's candidate for an office that doesn't currently exist in Thailand? That is an unusual prediction. What's your reasoning?

Agreed on Wyoming.

So you are a sock puppet.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on August 16, 2011, 11:05:31 AM
Heck, I would stick my neck out and predict that Hawaii will probably support the Democrat party nominee for President in 2012 while Wyoming will probably support the Republican party nominee in the same year for the same office.

Hawaii's going to specifically support a Thai party's candidate for an office that doesn't currently exist in Thailand? That is an unusual prediction. What's your reasoning?

Agreed on Wyoming.

So you are a sock puppet.

I'm a human being.

You, however, confuse American political parties with ones in other countries with similar names, and thus may well be a poorly-programmed robot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room)).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 16, 2011, 11:19:19 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43, -1.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 19%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.

Note that this is the tied for the lowest "Strongly Approved" score.

Ironically, this is not the highest "Strongly Disapprove" score, which was actually higher at this time last year.  If anything, there is less polarization.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 16, 2011, 12:55:43 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  39%, -2.

Disapprove:  53%, +1.

Still in the trough.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 16, 2011, 12:56:49 PM
PPP out with their weekly poll for DailyKos and it shows Rasmussen-ish numbers:

43% Approve
53% Disapprove

Public Policy Polling, 1000 Registered Voters, MoE 3.1%, August 11, 2011 - August 14, 2011.

http://dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/8/11


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on August 16, 2011, 02:00:21 PM
Obama back to 39%!

http://www.gallup.com/Home.asp​x


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on August 16, 2011, 03:39:47 PM
obama is collapsing...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on August 16, 2011, 03:42:50 PM
Utah gets to show us what 70% disapproval looks like on the map -- very clearly due to its large area.

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There are a couple concerns I have with the way you are doing things.

Firstly, the Nate Silver "analysis" of the 50% rule is tragically flawed.  

Most of the data he used was from 2006 - a very good year for the Dems politically. The Dems also had more folks up for reelection in the Senate than did the GOP.   During the 2006 campaign, the political ground shifted quite substantially in favor of the Dems and away from the GOP... so the fact that many (mostly Dem( incumbants did better than their early polling would have suggested is almost certainly the result of the forces of the political tide, and not the consequence of the "50% rule is crap" theory he might be peddling.  

Also, the Gallup data you are using if from the first 6 months of 2011.  During the first half of 2011 Obama had an average approval (simple average of published Gallup daily results) of 47.22% and a disapproval of 44.54%.

By contrast, a simple average of the last 30 days of Gallups daily tracking poll shows an average approval of 42.1% and and average disapproval of 49.73% - In short Obama has gone from about +3 to about -7 relative to the Jan-Jun 2011 data set you are using. (actually +2.68 to - 7.68 for a net shift of -10.36%, I've rounded to 10% because I don't even pretend what I am doing is accurate enough to have .36% matter)

If we adjust the state by state Gallup Data by simply deducting 5% from Obama's approval and adding 5% to his disapproval, we get a very different picture.

Again, let me concede that simply deduct/adding 5% is far from perfect, but as a very broad stroke general rough and dirty tool, it is likely roughly in the ballpark.  In practice, the shift is likely a little greater in "Battleground" states, and a little smaller is states that are safe for either side.

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After adjusting for the shift in Gallup's measurement of Obama's approval between the Jan-June data set and the average of the last 30 days, we find that Obama continues to have a net positive approval in 11 states + DC, representing 163 EVS.

District of Columbia
Connecticut
Maryland
Delaware
Hawaii
New York
Massachusetts
Vermont
California
Illinois
New Jersey
Rhode Island

I think Just about everybody would consider these to be "safe" Obama states.

If we (utterly arbitrarily) say any state where Obama has a net approval of Even to -10 to be a "Battleground" state, we get 10 states totaling 128 EVs.  In terms of "Battleground states" these are, well, "The usual suspects" we all know and love....

Minnesota
Washington
Wisconsin
Maine
Michigan
Iowa
Georgia
Pennsylvania
Florida
North Carolina

Not sure about Georgia, but the rest of the list looks pretty sane as a 2012 battleground....

Finally, if we take the states where Obama is -11 net approval or worse, we have 29 states totaling 237 EVs were, based upon net approval, the GOP likely has a leg up.  A couple of these (Nevada and New Mexico pop out) might not quite fit here ("Battleground" might be a better place) but looking over this list, most of these states look likely GOP.

New Mexico
Virginia
Mississippi
Ohio
South Dakota
Arizona
Arkansas
Colorado
Nevada
Oregon
South Carolina
Indiana
Louisiana
Missouri
Texas
New Hampshire
Alaska
Tennessee
Nebraska
Kansas
North Dakota
Alabama
Kentucky
Montana
West Virginia
Oklahoma
Utah
Wyoming
Idaho

I fully concede this is very rough and dirty, but is should generally capture the impact of the +/- 10% net shift Gallup has tracked since the January-June 2011 data set was collected.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 16, 2011, 03:55:50 PM
Every time I see pbrower's map with Nebraska still going 1 EV for Obama based on a poll from well over half-a-year ago, I lulz my pants a little bit.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 16, 2011, 04:03:37 PM
Quote
Vermont Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 53%
Disapprove...................................................... 40%
Not sure .......................................................... 7%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_VT_0808.pdf
Quote
Ohio Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 44%
Disapprove...................................................... 52%
Not sure .......................................................... 4%

Awful, but you ought to see how the Republican field does:

Quote
Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Michele Bachmann, who would you vote for?

Barack Obama................................................ 48%
Michele Bachmann ......................................... 41%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Herman Cain, who would you vote for?

Barack Obama................................................ 47%
Herman Cain................................................... 39%
Undecided....................................................... 15%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?

Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 38%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Rick
Perry, who would you vote for?

Barack Obama................................................ 45%
Rick Perry ....................................................... 41%
Undecided....................................................... 14%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?

Barack Obama................................................ 45%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 43%
Undecided....................................................... 12%

It is hard to see the Republicans winning the Presidency without Ohio even if they pick up Pennsylvania. Bad news in which all are culpable pulls everyone down... or should I say, a falling tide brings low all boats!



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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    55
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 98
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  66
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  73
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   16





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Here's the rationale:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html

...and I am less charitable to an incumbent President than is Nate Silver.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    55
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 119
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  18
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  29
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but  Romney 35
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  29
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 87
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  0
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18  





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 16, 2011, 04:05:48 PM

Not necessarily.  The loss, at least on Gallup has been gradual.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 16, 2011, 04:10:40 PM
Every time I see pbrower's map with Nebraska still going 1 EV for Obama based on a poll from well over half-a-year ago, I lulz my pants a little bit.

The Second Congressional District of Nebraska, essentially Greater Omaha, votes very differently (about R+2) from the rest of Nebraska (probably about R+25) Democrats can win NE-02 in a good year, as shown in 2008. Of course that all changes if Nebraska is gerrymandered so that Greater Omaha is split with the rest of eastern Nebraska (NE-01, which includes Lincoln).

In 2008, NE-01 voted like Texas
              NE-02 voted like Indiana
              NE-03 voted like Wyoming.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 16, 2011, 04:39:38 PM
Every time I see pbrower's map with Nebraska still going 1 EV for Obama based on a poll from well over half-a-year ago, I lulz my pants a little bit.

The Second Congressional District of Nebraska, essentially Greater Omaha, votes very differently (about R+2) from the rest of Nebraska (probably about R+25) Democrats can win NE-02 in a good year, as shown in 2008. Of course that all changes if Nebraska is gerrymandered so that Greater Omaha is split with the rest of eastern Nebraska (NE-01, which includes Lincoln).

In 2008, NE-01 voted like Texas
              NE-02 voted like Indiana
              NE-03 voted like Wyoming.  

If you say NE-02 is going to vote like Indiana, then your map says that Obama is going to win Indiana by over 10 points.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 16, 2011, 05:11:18 PM
Every time I see pbrower's map with Nebraska still going 1 EV for Obama based on a poll from well over half-a-year ago, I lulz my pants a little bit.

The Second Congressional District of Nebraska, essentially Greater Omaha, votes very differently (about R+2) from the rest of Nebraska (probably about R+25) Democrats can win NE-02 in a good year, as shown in 2008. Of course that all changes if Nebraska is gerrymandered so that Greater Omaha is split with the rest of eastern Nebraska (NE-01, which includes Lincoln).


In 2008, NE-01 voted like Texas
              NE-02 voted like Indiana
              NE-03 voted like Wyoming.  

If you say NE-02 is going to vote like Indiana, then your map says that Obama is going to win Indiana by over 10 points.

No.

I only said that NE-02 voted like Indiana in 2008. I have said nothing about Indiana as a likely state for either Party in 2012 due only to a paucity of polls. Indiana has outlawed automated polls. There was a poll for NE-02 and it was decidedly pro-Obama in result while the rest of the state firmly rejected the President.

This of course does not reflect the current downturn in support for the President in the aftermath of the Debt Ceiling fiasco. If the approval rating for the President returns to the high 40s, then NE-02 is competitive. Republicans who are no less culpable are doing badly, too.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President von Cat on August 17, 2011, 02:52:27 AM
JJ, why do you always say "meh" to Gallup?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 17, 2011, 05:13:19 AM
New Jersey (Quinnipiac):

44% Approve
52% Disapprove

New Jersey voters say 49 - 45 percent that Obama does not deserve to be reelected, but say 45 - 37 percent that they would vote for Obama over an unnamed Republican challenger in the 2012 presidential race.

From August 9 - 15, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,624 registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.4 percentage points. Live interviewers call land lines and cell phones.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1637


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 17, 2011, 07:48:43 AM
JJ, why do you always say "meh" to Gallup?


When I was growing up, and well after that, Gallup was the gold standard of polling.

As of 2000, at least, other companies began getting as good, or better, results.  In the last election, Gallup was well off the others (possibly outside of the MOE).

Gallup's tracking polls has been showing some wide swings.  I think they use registered voters, as opposed to likely voters.

I look at Gallup for historic comparison, because the data from Gallup dates back to the 1940s, though it is more complete after Watergate.  It is a good the only measure of how the President is doing historically against other presidents.  I'm looking at it for the pattern, but not the results.

Right now, the only thing I'm looking for on Gallup is when Obama starts improving, and secondarily, how low will he go before he starts improving.  If the election were held today, I'd be looking to Rasmussen as a more accurate predictor of the result.

(I do realize the irony because I'm not an Obama supporter and he's doing better on Rasmussen.)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 17, 2011, 08:42:29 AM
New Jersey (Quinnipiac):

44% Approve
52% Disapprove

New Jersey voters say 49 - 45 percent that Obama does not deserve to be reelected, but say 45 - 37 percent that they would vote for Obama over an unnamed Republican challenger in the 2012 presidential race.

From August 9 - 15, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,624 registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.4 percentage points. Live interviewers call land lines and cell phones.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1637

We are no longer a happy people.


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    41
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 98
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  80
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  73
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   16





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Here's the rationale:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html

...and I am less charitable to an incumbent President than is Nate Silver.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    55
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 105
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  18
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  43
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but  Romney 35
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  29
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 87
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  0
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18  




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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 17, 2011, 11:43:54 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43, u.

Disapprove 55%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 20%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 17, 2011, 12:39:33 PM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  40%, +1.

Disapprove:  52%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on August 17, 2011, 02:50:17 PM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  40%, +1.

Disapprove:  52%, -1.



Very Bad Obama sample dropped today, a very strong Obama sample drops tomorrow - we "might" see a 38% tomorrow... the trough gets a tad deeper..... or (knowing Gallup, he could be back up to 48%....)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 17, 2011, 03:20:40 PM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  40%, +1.

Disapprove:  52%, -1.



Very Bad Obama sample dropped today, a very strong Obama sample drops tomorrow - we "might" see a 38% tomorrow... the trough gets a tad deeper..... or (knowing Gallup, he could be back up to 48%....)

I don't think von Kluck has turned yet.  The way it is going, he might not turn southwest until he reaches Versailles.  ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 17, 2011, 04:36:16 PM
Utah gets to show us what 70% disapproval looks like on the map -- very clearly due to its large area.

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There are a couple concerns I have with the way you are doing things.

Firstly, the Nate Silver "analysis" of the 50% rule is tragically flawed.  

Most of the data he used was from 2006 - a very good year for the Dems politically. The Dems also had more folks up for reelection in the Senate than did the GOP.   During the 2006 campaign, the political ground shifted quite substantially in favor of the Dems and away from the GOP... so the fact that many (mostly Dem( incumbants did better than their early polling would have suggested is almost certainly the result of the forces of the political tide, and not the consequence of the "50% rule is crap" theory he might be peddling.  

Also, the Gallup data you are using if from the first 6 months of 2011.  During the first half of 2011 Obama had an average approval (simple average of published Gallup daily results) of 47.22% and a disapproval of 44.54%.

By contrast, a simple average of the last 30 days of Gallups daily tracking poll shows an average approval of 42.1% and and average disapproval of 49.73% - In short Obama has gone from about +3 to about -7 relative to the Jan-Jun 2011 data set you are using. (actually +2.68 to - 7.68 for a net shift of -10.36%, I've rounded to 10% because I don't even pretend what I am doing is accurate enough to have .36% matter)

If we adjust the state by state Gallup Data by simply deducting 5% from Obama's approval and adding 5% to his disapproval, we get a very different picture.

Again, let me concede that simply deduct/adding 5% is far from perfect, but as a very broad stroke general rough and dirty tool, it is likely roughly in the ballpark.  In practice, the shift is likely a little greater in "Battleground" states, and a little smaller is states that are safe for either side.

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After adjusting for the shift in Gallup's measurement of Obama's approval between the Jan-June data set and the average of the last 30 days, we find that Obama continues to have a net positive approval in 11 states + DC, representing 163 EVS.

District of Columbia
Connecticut
Maryland
Delaware
Hawaii
New York
Massachusetts
Vermont
California
Illinois
New Jersey
Rhode Island

I think Just about everybody would consider these to be "safe" Obama states.

If we (utterly arbitrarily) say any state where Obama has a net approval of Even to -10 to be a "Battleground" state, we get 10 states totaling 128 EVs.  In terms of "Battleground states" these are, well, "The usual suspects" we all know and love....

Minnesota
Washington
Wisconsin
Maine
Michigan
Iowa
Georgia
Pennsylvania
Florida
North Carolina

Not sure about Georgia, but the rest of the list looks pretty sane as a 2012 battleground....

Finally, if we take the states where Obama is -11 net approval or worse, we have 29 states totaling 237 EVs were, based upon net approval, the GOP likely has a leg up.  A couple of these (Nevada and New Mexico pop out) might not quite fit here ("Battleground" might be a better place) but looking over this list, most of these states look likely GOP.

New Mexico
Virginia
Mississippi
Ohio
South Dakota
Arizona
Arkansas
Colorado
Nevada
Oregon
South Carolina
Indiana
Louisiana
Missouri
Texas
New Hampshire
Alaska
Tennessee
Nebraska
Kansas
North Dakota
Alabama
Kentucky
Montana
West Virginia
Oklahoma
Utah
Wyoming
Idaho

I fully concede this is very rough and dirty, but is should generally capture the impact of the +/- 10% net shift Gallup has tracked since the January-June 2011 data set was collected.



I see the recent low point of approval for President Obama reflecting the nastiness of the budget debate. Almost nobody is ever happy with the results of any budget debate on every detail. This applies to state governors as well.   Take a look at what happened to the approval ratings of Tom Corbett and Chris Christie (both Republicans) just a few weeks after vicious legislative sessions on state budgets. During the debate, both sides demonize each other, especially when public opinion is as polarized as it is. But once it is over, things go back more or less to normal. Heck, even Scott Walker has gone from 'execrable' ratings for his approval to simply 'bad'.

To say that the budgeting is the most important peacetime legislation in Congress and the most important part of the political  scene in State governments may be no exaggeration. This is when the values of the legislative branch as elected define themselves as at almost no other time. Budgetary debates are not where one makes friends and impresses the electorate.

If there is any conclusion that I can draw it is that the Debt Ceiling squabble hurt the approval ratings of both Democrats and Republicans equally. If it were good for republicans and bad for Democrats, then we would  see prospective Republican nominees for President catching up with President Obama. Such has yet to happen. Mitt Romney, now a political outsider who put his moistened finger into the air during the Debt Ceiling debate, felt which part of his finger was coolest and decided to avoid weighing into the debate while it was going on and then made cheap shots at the President like all other Republicans, gained nothing.

President Obama is still ahead of every prospective Republican nominee in Ohio, Colorado, and North Carolina after the debate.  He has since gone on tour in the Midwest to do what he is especially good at -- making fresh promises of achievements that he might have gotten if the Democrats still held the House.

You have a valid case for this debate being the start of the downfall of President Obama with someone like Rick Perry defeating him in November 2012 with the Republicans picking up a raft of Senate seats and a few House seats... if there is no political rebound for the President but there is for all Republicans. Yes, the Republicans will rebound some -- but more than the President?  

Little Congressional activity will go on for a few weeks. Politicians will be going out on junkets,  returning to their districts, or going on well-deserved vacations. Maybe some not-so-well deserved, but that is a matter of judgment. All in all, most people are likely to forget the acrimony of the deficit debate except to the extent that some politicians made fools of themselves. Those who made fools of themselves will usually be the last to get the message.

The President is far more popular than Congress and almost certainly will be again in October.   Except for the Deficit Ceiling debate, conditions two months from now will likely be much like they were in June. That includes approval ratings. Gaps of approval that were 48-45 in June and are now  45-42 now could easily be 48-45 again in October.  

Until I see otherwise I expect to see the President rebound, but I can't predict how quickly he will.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on August 17, 2011, 08:02:49 PM

I don't think von Kluck has turned yet.  The way it is going, he might not turn southwest until he reaches Versailles.  ;)


There is a tragedy to it all.

My parents remember the USA as the folks who saved them when they were growing up in Nazi occupied Europe.

As a small child, I remember the USA as the nation that was putting a man on the moon.

Oddly, even Watergate was something that inspired me about America because the USA was a place where even the President would be taken down if they broke the laws and violated the values of the Society.

I lived in the US for parts of the 80s and 90s, and even then it was a place of  opportunity and exceptionalism.

I am not sure your nation can stand another failed Presidency.






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 17, 2011, 08:49:18 PM


I lived in the US for parts of the 80s and 90s, and even them it was a place of  opportunity and exceptional ism.

I am not sure your nation can stand another failed Presidency.


Our nation has experienced many failed presidencies, and survived well.  It is what comes after that presidency that is important.

It also can mark the re-birth of opportunity and exceptionalism.  We are much greater than our failed leaders, and there were even greater failures.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on August 17, 2011, 10:02:24 PM

Our nation has experienced many failed presidencies, and survived well.  It is what comes after that presidency that is important.

It also can mark the re-birth of opportunity and exceptionalism.  We are much greater than our failed leaders, and there were even greater failures.

Winston Churchill once said that:

"The Americans will eventually do the right thing... after having first exhausted all other available options..."

Perhaps "this too shall pass....." but it is indeed sad to see the current goings on.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Professor on August 18, 2011, 12:19:48 AM
Obama's trough pales in comprison to J.J.'s romantic trough which has lasted 49 years.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 18, 2011, 04:02:58 AM
Obama's trough pales in comprison to J.J.'s romantic trough which has lasted 49 years.

Zing!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 18, 2011, 08:30:17 AM
Obama's trough pales in comprison to J.J.'s romantic trough which has lasted 49 years.

I can assure my peaks were substantially higher than Obama's.

You sound as if a lot of you recession has been a permanent condition.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 18, 2011, 08:38:39 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43, u.

Disapprove 54%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 19%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.

There is a chance that the Strongly Approve number is due to a slight anti-Obama sample.  If so it should be out tomorrow.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 18, 2011, 12:49:54 PM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  40%, u.

Disapprove:  52%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Biden is your president. Deal with it. on August 18, 2011, 03:28:24 PM
His ratings are not bad about same as Clinton and Reagan around this time in their Presidencies.like like Jimmy Carter who was 30% around this time in his 3rd year in office.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 18, 2011, 03:58:08 PM
His ratings are not bad about same as Clinton and Reagan around this time in their Presidencies.like like Jimmy Carter who was 30% around this time in his 3rd year in office.

Actually, his numbers are lower than every other president at this point in time in their first (and sometimes only) term, except for Jimmy Carter.  Carter was improving at this point.  At best Obama is static.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 19, 2011, 08:35:50 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, +1.

Disapprove 53%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.

I think a slightly anti-Obama sample dropped out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on August 19, 2011, 09:05:20 AM
Obama down to 32% approval!!!

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/NewsRoom/HarrisPolls/tabid/447/ctl/ReadCustom%20Default/mid/1508/ArticleId/847/Default.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 19, 2011, 09:27:15 AM
Obama down to 32% approval!!!

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/NewsRoom/HarrisPolls/tabid/447/ctl/ReadCustom%20Default/mid/1508/ArticleId/847/Default.aspx

Harris was using adults, not registered voters.  The company has been around for a while, but I always thought that it, historically, wasn't as good as Gallup.

Gallup has had some problems as of late (since 2008).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 19, 2011, 09:52:56 AM
Obama down to 32% approval!!!

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/NewsRoom/HarrisPolls/tabid/447/ctl/ReadCustom%20Default/mid/1508/ArticleId/847/Default.aspx

Interactive polls are a waste of the electrons used in transmitting both raw data and the conclusions. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on August 19, 2011, 10:29:41 AM
I wish we had someone like Hillary2012, except going around posting junk polls with Obama having 60%+ approval.






pbrower joke coming in 3, 2, 1


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 19, 2011, 10:37:50 AM
I wish we had someone like Hillary2012, except going around posting junk polls with Obama having 60%+ approval.

Harris isn't a "junk pollster," but conversely, it is far from the best out there. 

I don't think it was "interactive," technically.  It looks like they used e-mail to choose the sample, but there would have been some prescreening.  That selection, limiting it to adults with Internet aspects, further weakens the numbers, however.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 19, 2011, 10:54:26 AM
Harris is using an Excellent/Good/Fair/Poor scale and therefore they are underestimating Obama's approval by about 10-15%. The vast majority of "Fair" goes to "Approve" in a Approve/Disapprove poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 19, 2011, 11:05:34 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, +1.

Disapprove 53%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.

I think a slightly anti-Obama sample dropped out.

The anger over the Debt Ceiling travesty may be abating, perhaps to the benefit of most politicians.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on August 19, 2011, 12:03:40 PM
Gallup @ 40% Approval, 52% Disapproval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 19, 2011, 12:25:46 PM
Gallup @ 40% Approval, 52% Disapproval.

Is that the update or yesterday's numbers?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 19, 2011, 12:36:22 PM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  40%, u.

Disapprove:  53%, +1.

Answered my own question, Odysseus.  :)

The approval number is off its low, but Disapprove is tied for the highest.

Von Kluck still heading west and north of Paris.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 19, 2011, 12:38:14 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, +1.

Disapprove 53%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.

I think a slightly anti-Obama sample dropped out.

The anger over the Debt Ceiling travesty may be abating, perhaps to the benefit of most politicians.

More likely, just a bad sample, as I noted yesterday.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on August 19, 2011, 01:52:47 PM
Gallup @ 40% Approval, 52% Disapproval.

Is that the update or yesterday's numbers?

Aha!

Not much change either way, though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 19, 2011, 02:54:55 PM
Gallup @ 40% Approval, 52% Disapproval.

Is that the update or yesterday's numbers?

Aha!

Not much change either way, though.

I'm only watching Gallup so closely for one reaso:  A change.

And don't worry about it.  I just put Terry Madonna in Mulenburg University instead of F & M.  :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 19, 2011, 04:19:14 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, +1.

Disapprove 53%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.

I think a slightly anti-Obama sample dropped out.

The anger over the Debt Ceiling travesty may be abating, perhaps to the benefit of most politicians.

More likely, just a bad sample, as I noted yesterday.

In a few weeks, much of the anger over the Deficit Ceiling fiasco will have abated. Question: who comes out of it less scathed? Who recovers and who doesn't? If the polls from the time of the fiasco (and it is that) show up in October, they may look funny. "So how is it that President Obama can have an approval rating around 45% and lead every Republican in in Wisconsin or Ohio when he now gets a 46% approval rating in Georgia and is apparently tied with Romney?"... We may see much of that for a while. PPP would surely like to poll a state that it rarely polls -- let us say Kentucky or Maine -- one of these weeks.

...I am not using the F&M poll -- paradoxically it would look better for President Obama in a state that frequently gets polled because there he leads "Generic Republican" and, I would have to assume, every imaginable Republican nominee.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 19, 2011, 04:43:30 PM
Obama's downward slide, which isn't much, has continued after the debt debate.  I'm not seeing a connection.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on August 19, 2011, 05:40:05 PM
Obama's downward slide, which isn't much, has continued after the debt debate.  I'm not seeing a connection.

FWIW....

Gallup is quite volatile and it showing Obama at 40% may, or may not, just be one of the tangents Gallup tends to run off on.

Rasmussen which is, by design, very stable shows Obama has dropped 3 ish % or so.

THe RCP average peeked with Obama at +9.9% post Bin Laden killing, he is now 6% or so under water.

A 16% or 17% net swing (+10 to -7 or so) is a heck of a move.

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Looking at the trend lines of the RCP average, Obama seems to be losing the day to day battles, his trend line is generally down, but he can and does jump up fairly sharply when there is a "big event" - Killing Bin Laden gave him a sharp jump, as did the semi-deal on taxes where all Americans were spared a tax increase for two more yeas by kicking the Bush Tax Cut expiration down the road till 2013.

Oddly, preserving the tax cuts gave him a bounce that lasted, killing Bin laden did not.

Right now all polls, have very little predictive value.

Th Obama job approval numbers are a rough gauge, but until is 2012, even those have highly limited predictive value.

In October 2012, if BHO's JA is 50%+, he almost certainly wins.
In October 2012, if BHO's JA is <40%, he almost certainly loses.

The head to heads are meaningless right now because most folks are tuned out and don't care.  

The "Generic" ballot will (kinda) tell us if it's gonna be a close race, but beyond that they are pretty limited as well...

At this time in 1979 Carter was kicking the bleep out of some crazy guy from California who was so extreme he could never ever become president...

In 2001 GHW Bush was so far in front, no "big name" democrats (ie Mario Cuomo) was even brave enough to run for President...

14 or so months out head to head presidentials are an "inside baseball" distraction for political junkies, beyond that they have no value.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 19, 2011, 10:36:09 PM
I disagree a bit.

Carter, at this point in time, was at 33%, and was off his low (28%).

I'm looking at, basically, is how much ground can a president make up in the last 18 months of office.  How much off their low can they go.

Nixon gained 11 points of his 18 month prior low.

Ford gained 9 points.

Carter gained 13 points. 

Reagan gained 13 points.

GHWB gained 8 points. 

Clinton gained 4 points.

GWB had about a 5 point gain.

The average is about 9 points.

Obama would need to gain 10-11 points to win, in most cases.  That is possible, though the odds are slightly against it, arguably.  That assumes that his numbers don't further decline.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on August 19, 2011, 11:40:26 PM
I disagree a bit.

Carter, at this point in time, was at 33%, and was off his low (28%).

I'm looking at, basically, is how much ground can a president make up in the last 18 months of office.  How much off their low can they go.

Nixon gained 11 points of his 18 month prior low.

Ford gained 9 points.

Carter gained 13 points.  

Reagan gained 13 points.

GHWB gained 8 points.  

Clinton gained 4 points.

GWB had about a 5 point gain.

The average is about 9 points.

Obama would need to gain 10-11 points to win, in most cases.  That is possible, though the odds are slightly against it, arguably.  That assumes that his numbers don't further decline.


I guess my point is that past presidents have have improved to greater or lesser degrees because of events, and those events - looking forward - are unpredictable.

Ford gained 9 points.

Ford took over from a disgraced Nixon, his numbers started to improve as he became his own man and moved out of tricky Dick's shadow.

Carter gained 13 points.  

Carter was hugely in the tank (High 20s as I recall?) but bounced back initially as the people rallied around the President in the beginnings of the hostage crisis - also back then there was no internet or alternative media so for a while the Dems + Networks = NYT almost scared folks out of voting for Reagan.

Reagan gained 13 points.

Went from 10.8% unemployment to "morning in America" - nuff said...

GHWB gained 8 points.  - GHWB likely would have won if not for Perot - Slick Willy won with only 43% of the vote.

Clinton gained 4 points. - hard pivot to triangulation, cut a deal with Newt and the boys to save his skin.

GWB had about a 5 point gain.

The Bush folks did a better job of Demonizing Kerry than Kerry's folks did of demonizing Bush. - Also, Karl Rove put together an awesome "ground game" in Florida, Ohio, etc...

My point is presidents don't just "rebound" they rebound as a result of events and policies....

If Obama finds a brain and a spine in the next year he has a chance, if not, well, not...  but his approval will not, in the absence of some external factor, rise on it's own....


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: "'Oeps!' De blunders van Rick Perry Indicted" on August 19, 2011, 11:58:56 PM
GHWB likely would have won if not for Perot

Can't believe anyone still believes this.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President von Cat on August 20, 2011, 12:07:11 AM
Alas, Vorlon, that is completely untrue.

Obama's ratings will rise on their own if the economy churns out a few decent jobs reports in August, September, October, and we stop having turbulent weeks on Wall Street. Q3 and Q4 are said to look stronger than the 1H of 2011, and any uptick in economic behavior is easily enough to move Obama back to the mid-to-upper 40s, which is exactly where he started the year and basically has been since late 2009.

It should surprise nobody that Obama's approval rating on Gallup hit 39% following his sub-par performance in debt ceiling negotiations and subsequent credit downgrade and financial market turmoil. This should be subsiding, and perhaps a decent August jobs report will help turn the corner.

Now, does that mean the president should just sit back and take it easy? Of course not. He has nothing to lose by pushing a jobs plan (or two, or several hundred!). But to say that Obama has to do something to make his approval ratings move just isn't true.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 20, 2011, 01:04:10 AM


I guess my point is that past presidents have have improved to greater or lesser degrees because of events, and those events - looking forward - are unpredictable.

Ford gained 9 points.

Ford took over from a disgraced Nixon, his numbers started to improve as he became his own man and moved out of tricky Dick's shadow.


Ford dropped from the low 50's to 39 about a year before the election.  It was a job performance issue.

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Carter gained 13 points.  

Carter was hugely in the tank (High 20s as I recall?) but bounced back initially as the people rallied around the President in the beginnings of the hostage crisis - also back then there was no internet or alternative media so for a while the Dems + Networks = NYT almost scared folks out of voting for Reagan.

He had started to recover before that and again fell after the hostage crisis became a liability.


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GHWB gained 8 points.  - GHWB likely would have won if not for Perot - Slick Willy won with only 43% of the vote.

I think he still would have lost, but, poll wise GHWB troughed in the late spring of 1992.  Again job performace

Reagan, Clinton and GWB, job performance.

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My point is presidents don't just "rebound" they rebound as a result of events and policies....

If Obama finds a brain and a spine in the next year he has a chance, if not, well, not...  but his approval will not, in the absence of some external factor, rise on it's own....

They tend to improve when what they do works.  The question is still, when do Obama's number start turning up?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on August 20, 2011, 01:06:13 AM
I'll predict that his approvals will be back in the high forties after he releases his jobs program, and it'll probably rise a bit more around the 10th Anniversary of 9/11.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Iosif on August 20, 2011, 05:49:30 AM
Got to love the armchair experts in this thread.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 20, 2011, 09:07:27 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, u.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.

It is possible that a small pro Obama sample is moving through the numbers, but I think it is more likely that a small anti Obama sample was moving through and dropped out yesterday.

I'll predict that his approvals will be back in the high forties after he releases his jobs program, and it'll probably rise a bit more around the 10th Anniversary of 9/11.

I'd doubt that there will be any improvement due to the Anniversary.

If his program is a "jobs program," as opposed to an economic program, his numbers could drop.  I think this might be the last chance for him to improve his numbers prior to the campaign (absent an outside factor).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 20, 2011, 09:32:22 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, u.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.

It is possible that a small pro Obama sample is moving through the numbers, but I think it is more likely that a small anti Obama sample was moving through and dropped out yesterday.

I'll predict that his approvals will be back in the high forties after he releases his jobs program, and it'll probably rise a bit more around the 10th Anniversary of 9/11.

I'd doubt that there will be any improvement due to the Anniversary.

If his program is a "jobs program," as opposed to an economic program, his numbers could drop.  I think this might be the last chance for him to improve his numbers prior to the campaign (absent an outside factor).

9/11 is not for President Obama to exploit except to drop hints that Osama bin Laden is not celebrating the anniversary somewhere in This World.

Any "jobs program" other than one in which the jobs have no pay attached or rely entirely upon new and bigger tax cuts for the super-rich will face stiff Republican resistance. That might be good for 2012, but in the meantime...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President von Cat on August 20, 2011, 10:08:28 AM
If Gaddafi goes, Obama is likely to get a mini-bounce of a point or so.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 20, 2011, 10:24:56 AM
If Gaddafi goes, Obama is likely to get a mini-bounce of a point or so.

I'd doubt that.  America has not been focused on Libya, and the results could be worse.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President von Cat on August 20, 2011, 11:20:48 AM
Americans like "feel good" stories, especially those about helping others overthrow despots. If Gaddafi's exit becomes front-page news, it'll be accompanied by a television blitz of people dancing in Misrata, Benghazi, Zlitan etc. All it takes is a camera crew catching just one group of rebel fighters waving the American flag around, and it'll get broadcast into every home via Nightly News. Even better, there's the possibility of MENA political analysts and opposition figures singing America's good graces on cable television across the country. It could very well create an ephemeral "feel good" moment, and you can bet that Obama will get some credit for it, as he should, even if it proves just as short-lived as the moment.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Badger on August 20, 2011, 11:55:27 AM
Got to love the armchair experts in this thread Atlas.

Seriously. Outside the 3 or 4 actual professionals here, doesn't that constitute all of us? ;D


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 20, 2011, 11:58:37 AM
Got to love the armchair experts in this thread Atlas.

Seriously. Outside the 3 or 4 actual professionals here, doesn't that constitute all of us? ;D

And I've had some training in it, at least, though I've not done it professionally.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 20, 2011, 12:17:13 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  42%, +2.

Disapprove:  51%, -2.

Is von Kluck turning southeast?  Maybe.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 21, 2011, 08:40:15 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, -1.

Disapprove 55%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, +2.

There was no post debt ceiling debate recovery.






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 21, 2011, 12:12:54 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  40%, -2.

Disapprove:  53%, +2.

[sarcasm]Gallup continues it's record of providing hugely stable poll numbers.[/sarcasm]


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 22, 2011, 08:57:44 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, u.

Disapprove 55%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 20%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, u.

There might have been a slightly pro-Obama sample that dropped out.





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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 22, 2011, 12:38:10 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  40%, u.

Disapprove:  53%, u.

Von Kluck still heading toward Paris.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 23, 2011, 02:15:56 AM
PPP's weekly poll for DailyKos/SEIU:

42% Approve (-1)
53% Disapprove (nc)

Out of a 39%D, 33%R, 28%I sample.

Public Policy Polling, 1000 Registered Voters, MoE 3.1%, August 18, 2011 - August 21, 2011.

http://dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/8/18


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 23, 2011, 02:26:25 AM
Polls are really similar right now when it comes to Obama's approval.

If we assign the undecideds in the Gallup and PPP polls, it turns out to about 43-44% approval and 55-57% disapproval for Obama.

Gallup: 40-53 with 7% undecided, lets say they split 3-4 and we have a 43-57 approval.

Rasmussen: 44-55 with 1% undecided, which is about 44.5-55.5 approval.

PPP: 42-53 with 5% undecided, let's say 2-3 for the undecideds and we get a 44-56 approval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 23, 2011, 08:56:13 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, u.

Disapprove 56%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 19%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, +1.

Obama's Strongly Disapprove number is now higher than his overall approval number and his Strongly Approve number is tied for its low point.

His disapproved number, while not its highest, was only higher five days in his term to date.  His approval number was lower about 18 days than it is now.

The gap between his Strongly Disapprove and Strongly Approve is now at its greatest negative point recorded so far.









Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 23, 2011, 12:13:45 PM
Gallup at 38%. New low.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: "'Oeps!' De blunders van Rick Perry Indicted" on August 23, 2011, 12:19:00 PM

Pro-Gaddafi sample working its way through the system.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on August 23, 2011, 12:20:41 PM

not for long


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 23, 2011, 01:42:08 PM
And, the quake knocks off the top story of Obama's numbers.

(I hope everyone is okay.)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: "'Oeps!' De blunders van Rick Perry Indicted" on August 23, 2011, 02:04:27 PM
And, the quake knocks the top story of Obama's numbers.

Why would Obama's low going from 39% to 38% be a top story?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 23, 2011, 02:57:58 PM

Pro-Gaddafi sample working its way through the system.

Snicker, snicker!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on August 23, 2011, 03:37:53 PM
And, the quake knocks the top story of Obama's numbers.

Why would Obama's low going from 39% to 38% be a top story?

There are some folks who have suggested that media outlets such as CBS, Drudge, HoPo, ABC, NYTimes etc may not be 100% entirely balanced and objective in their selection and presentation of news items.

38% represents, at least for now, his low point in the widely watched Gallup poll for Mr. Obama, so a media outlet wishing to present a "narrative" of a deeply troubled, confused, disastrous, and ill-fated presidency might post a headline with "38%" as the lead, to fuel this narrative.

We of course all know that our media are free of such biases.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 23, 2011, 04:15:15 PM
High buildings have a top story.  I was making an earthquake joke.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on August 23, 2011, 05:53:41 PM
Polls are really similar right now when it comes to Obama's approval.

If we assign the undecideds in the Gallup and PPP polls, it turns out to about 43-44% approval and 55-57% disapproval for Obama.

Gallup: 40-53 with 7% undecided, lets say they split 3-4 and we have a 43-57 approval.

Rasmussen: 44-55 with 1% undecided, which is about 44.5-55.5 approval.

PPP: 42-53 with 5% undecided, let's say 2-3 for the undecideds and we get a 44-56 approval.

A little bit apples to oranges

Gallup = Adults
PPP = Registered Voters
Rasmussen = Likely Voters/

But ya, no matter how you slice it, -11. -12 or -16 - it's pretty ugly no matter which way you look.

PPP (D) has Obama -11 which has to be pretty scary, and that's with a D+6 sample which is pretty optimistic.

the regional breakout, (West, South, etc) looks a tad funky.

I've never really looked carefully at a PPP poll, but this might be a good time :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 23, 2011, 06:50:42 PM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  38%, -2.

Disapprove:  54%, +1.

I'm posting this for formatting and for the Disapprove and point change numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 24, 2011, 08:35:40 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, u.

Disapprove 56%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 24, 2011, 01:44:13 PM


http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  39%, +1.

Disapprove:  53%, -1.

Von Kluck still north of Paris.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President von Cat on August 24, 2011, 03:49:55 PM
Yikes, that looks pretty bad. Even if Obama gained five points, he'd still be in the lower part of the mid-40s. And it took the death of a major terrorist to give Obama five point bounce. The endgame of the Libyan conflict didn't give the President much of a bounce at all. Isn't he pretty much stuck in the high 30s/low 40s from now on?

How frustrating for the Obama team, given how successful of a president he has been.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 24, 2011, 05:28:38 PM
Quote
Iowa Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 45%
Disapprove...................................................... 48%
Not sure .......................................................... 7%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Michele Bachmann, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Michele Bachmann ......................................... 34%
Undecided....................................................... 15%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Herman Cain, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Herman Cain................................................... 33%
Undecided....................................................... 16%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 54%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 33%
Undecided....................................................... 13%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Rick
Perry, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Rick Perry ....................................................... 38%
Undecided....................................................... 12%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 49%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 39%
Undecided....................................................... 13%

Not great approval, but the Republicans are doing badly in Iowa.

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Wisconsin Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 45%
Disapprove...................................................... 51%
Not sure .......................................................... 4%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Michele Bachmann, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Michele Bachmann ......................................... 39%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Herman Cain, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 50%
Herman Cain................................................... 36%
Undecided....................................................... 14%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 52%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 40%
Undecided....................................................... 8%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Rick
Perry, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 50%
Rick Perry ....................................................... 40%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 47%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 42%
Undecided....................................................... 11%





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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    25
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 104
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  86
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  73
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  3
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   16





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Here's the rationale:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html

...and I am less charitable to an incumbent President than is Nate Silver.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    35
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 117
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  18
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  43
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but  Romney 29
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  55
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 81
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  0
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18  





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on August 24, 2011, 05:33:46 PM
Quote
Iowa Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 45%
Disapprove...................................................... 48%
Not sure .......................................................... 7%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Michele Bachmann, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Michele Bachmann ......................................... 34%
Undecided....................................................... 15%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Herman Cain, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Herman Cain................................................... 33%
Undecided....................................................... 16%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 54%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 33%
Undecided....................................................... 13%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Rick
Perry, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Rick Perry ....................................................... 38%
Undecided....................................................... 12%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 49%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 39%
Undecided....................................................... 13%

Not great approval, but the Republicans are doing badly in Iowa.

Quote
Wisconsin Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 45%
Disapprove...................................................... 51%
Not sure .......................................................... 4%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Michele Bachmann, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Michele Bachmann ......................................... 39%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Herman Cain, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 50%
Herman Cain................................................... 36%
Undecided....................................................... 14%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 52%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 40%
Undecided....................................................... 8%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Rick
Perry, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 50%
Rick Perry ....................................................... 40%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 47%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 42%
Undecided....................................................... 11%



These are quite interesting poll results..... I have a feeling now that even if unemployment is hovering around 9%, Obama will win in 2012 unless the Republicans nominate someone of caliber, which they refuse to do. I think it will take Europe imploding before the 2012 election for Obama to lose, and even then I think he would have a good chance if he can deflect the blame of the sh**tty economy on to the Europeans and off of him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: All Along The Watchtower on August 24, 2011, 05:44:24 PM
Quote
Iowa Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 45%
Disapprove...................................................... 48%
Not sure .......................................................... 7%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Michele Bachmann, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Michele Bachmann ......................................... 34%
Undecided....................................................... 15%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Herman Cain, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Herman Cain................................................... 33%
Undecided....................................................... 16%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 54%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 33%
Undecided....................................................... 13%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Rick
Perry, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Rick Perry ....................................................... 38%
Undecided....................................................... 12%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 49%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 39%
Undecided....................................................... 13%

Not great approval, but the Republicans are doing badly in Iowa.

Quote
Wisconsin Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 45%
Disapprove...................................................... 51%
Not sure .......................................................... 4%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Michele Bachmann, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Michele Bachmann ......................................... 39%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Herman Cain, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 50%
Herman Cain................................................... 36%
Undecided....................................................... 14%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 52%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 40%
Undecided....................................................... 8%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Rick
Perry, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 50%
Rick Perry ....................................................... 40%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 47%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 42%
Undecided....................................................... 11%



These are quite interesting poll results..... I have a feeling now that even if unemployment is hovering around 9%, Obama will win in 2012 unless the Republicans nominate someone of caliber, which they refuse to do. I think it will take Europe imploding before the 2012 election for Obama to lose, and even then I think he would have a good chance if he can deflect the blame of the sh**tty economy on to the Europeans and off of him.

The "blame Europe first" strategy?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on August 24, 2011, 07:14:43 PM
Quote
Iowa Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 45%
Disapprove...................................................... 48%
Not sure .......................................................... 7%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Michele Bachmann, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Michele Bachmann ......................................... 34%
Undecided....................................................... 15%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Herman Cain, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Herman Cain................................................... 33%
Undecided....................................................... 16%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 54%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 33%
Undecided....................................................... 13%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Rick
Perry, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Rick Perry ....................................................... 38%
Undecided....................................................... 12%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 49%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 39%
Undecided....................................................... 13%

Not great approval, but the Republicans are doing badly in Iowa.

Quote
Wisconsin Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 45%
Disapprove...................................................... 51%
Not sure .......................................................... 4%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Michele Bachmann, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Michele Bachmann ......................................... 39%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Herman Cain, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 50%
Herman Cain................................................... 36%
Undecided....................................................... 14%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 52%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 40%
Undecided....................................................... 8%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Rick
Perry, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 50%
Rick Perry ....................................................... 40%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 47%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 42%
Undecided....................................................... 11%



These are quite interesting poll results..... I have a feeling now that even if unemployment is hovering around 9%, Obama will win in 2012 unless the Republicans nominate someone of caliber, which they refuse to do. I think it will take Europe imploding before the 2012 election for Obama to lose, and even then I think he would have a good chance if he can deflect the blame of the sh**tty economy on to the Europeans and off of him.

The "blame Europe first" strategy?

Lol, but it might actually work. Of course not if Fox has anything to say about it. Obviously everything wrong with the world is Obama's fault.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 24, 2011, 11:01:58 PM
The map above apparently show the President at a nadir for support.  He wins unless he gets a challenge from the Left (which would be happening now if it is to be relevant in 2012) or a Republican opponent who has few flaws. Sure, many right-wingers would love to see this President as the "new Jimmy Carter".

At an approval rating in the area of 40% the President still leads the strongest Republican candidate by 5% in Wisconsin (where the Right has just waged a strong defense of some State Senate seats) and 10% in Iowa.  To be sure, Al Gore lost in 2000 despite winning both states which are slightly D and of course in 2004 John Kerry split them -- but in both years, both states were really close. An even shift of 2.5% of the popular vote nationwide in 2000 toward Gore gives him Florida and New Hampshire; a similar shift in 2004 shifts Iowa, Ohio, and New Mexico to Kerry. Either scenario wins in 2000, 2004, or 2012.

President Obama isn't campaigning -- yet. The Republicans are making such a case as they can early -- which they must if they are to win the nomination. 

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 24, 2011, 11:25:42 PM
Here is how I see Gore 2000 with a 2.5% gain if applied to 2012:

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 (Ignore shades)


...and how I see Kerry 2004 with a 2.5% gain:

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Basically, one trades Florida for Ohio.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 25, 2011, 12:47:51 AM
Here is how I see Gore 2000 with a 2.5% gain if applied to 2012:

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Kentucky, WTF ?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 25, 2011, 07:07:49 AM
Here is how I see Gore 2000 with a 2.5% gain if applied to 2012:

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Kentucky, WTF ?

Such happens when I type in the dark. Typo!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 25, 2011, 08:44:30 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 42, -2.

Disapprove 57%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, +1.

Either a very bad anti-Obama sample is moving through the system, or Obama is slumping.

There are perhaps 6-8 samples that have been worse since Obama was elected.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on August 25, 2011, 10:39:57 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 42, -3. -2

Disapprove 57%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, +1.

Either a very bad anti-Obama sample is moving through the system, or Obama is slumping.

There are perhaps 6-8 samples that have been worse since Obama was elected.


I think "the bot" had Obama at 44 yesterday.

New AP/Roper poll

http://surveys.ap.org/data/GfK/AP-GfK%20Poll%20Aug%202011%20FINAL%20Topline_ObamaEconomy.pdf

Approve = 46
Disapprove = 52

As always, AP is one of Obama's better polls.

The last AP poll was on June 20th, which showed Obama at +5 (52 / 47) so this represents a net shift of 11% (From +5 to -6)

On June 19th, 2010 the RCP average was Obama + 1.8% and today the RCP average is Obama - 7.5% for a net shift of 9.3%, so AP's 11% shift is broadly consistent with the trend in other polls.

In Party self Identification, Dems outnumber GOPers 29/21 (Dems +8)

Poll also shows 30% indys and 20% "None of these" so party ID is hard to compare to other polls.

Obama still is considered at least "somewhat likable" by 78% of those surveyed.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 25, 2011, 11:56:51 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 42, -3. -2

Disapprove 57%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, +1.

Either a very bad anti-Obama sample is moving through the system, or Obama is slumping.

There are perhaps 6-8 samples that have been worse since Obama was elected.


I think "the bot" had Obama at 44 yesterday.

Fixed. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 25, 2011, 12:13:37 PM


http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  41%, +2.

Disapprove:  50%, -3.

Has von Kluck turned before the gates of Amiens?




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 25, 2011, 03:10:53 PM
Florida, Mason-Dixon.

Among the findings of the August Sachs/Mason-Dixon Florida Poll:

***51 percent of Floridians would vote for Governor Romney compared to 43 percent for President Obama;

***In a hypothetical matchup with Texas Governor Rick Perry, Perry leads with 46 percent to Obama's 45 percent;

***President Obama leads Congresswoman Michele Bachmann 46 percent to 44 percent; and

***41 percent of Floridians approve of President Obama's job performance while 56 percent disapprove. Fifty five percent of independents disapprove.




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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    25
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 104
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  57
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  73
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  32
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   16





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Here's the rationale:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html

...and I am less charitable to an incumbent President than is Nate Silver.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    35
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 117
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  18
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  43
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but  Romney 29
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  26
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 110
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  0
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18  





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 25, 2011, 07:40:31 PM
With Irene coming, we shouldn't rely on national polling after tomorrow, at least until mid week of next week.  There is the potential for a lot of disruption.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on August 25, 2011, 10:22:51 PM
With Irene coming, we shouldn't rely on national polling after tomorrow, at least until mid week of next week.  There is the potential for a lot of disruption.

It's 15 months before the bleeping election in the middle of summer.

Other than us hard core junkies, nobody cares, much less has though about, any of this.

The polls are meaningless for about another 10 months or so...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 25, 2011, 11:19:58 PM
With Irene coming, we shouldn't rely on national polling after tomorrow, at least until mid week of next week.  There is the potential for a lot of disruption.

It's 15 months before the bleeping election in the middle of summer.

Other than us hard core junkies, nobody cares, much less has though about, any of this.

The polls are meaningless for about another 10 months or so...

Irene is a hurricane bearing down on the heavily-populated eastern US. It will disrupt communications and force people away from their telephones. The least of anyone's problems will be polling. Anny polling from any east-coast state during the impending disaster will  also be meaningless. PPP has scheduled polling for Kentucky (OK) and South Carolina. I promise to treat any weekend poll of South Carolina suspect. Such also applies should Quinnipiac poll anything on the East Coast. 

Question: how will the elected officials do their jobs? Dubya's handling of Hurricane Katrina was itself a disaster, and such had political consequences.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 26, 2011, 01:05:15 AM
SurveyUSA (August 22):

California: 43% Approve, 51% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c717d146-99e7-4de8-8217-9fb792fc2fb8

Kansas: 33% Approve, 65% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c9cb9d95-0451-467c-8613-efb0bf5d4a7e

Oregon: 41% Approve, 54% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=87dabdb7-5435-402e-891e-11b3bf475127

Washington: 44% Approve, 54% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c34262fe-7152-4e56-be8d-dd7e32b0f6dd


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: redcommander on August 26, 2011, 02:53:14 AM
SurveyUSA (August 22):

California: 43% Approve, 51% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c717d146-99e7-4de8-8217-9fb792fc2fb8

Kansas: 33% Approve, 65% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c9cb9d95-0451-467c-8613-efb0bf5d4a7e

Oregon: 41% Approve, 54% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=87dabdb7-5435-402e-891e-11b3bf475127

Washington: 44% Approve, 54% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c34262fe-7152-4e56-be8d-dd7e32b0f6dd

It's good to see the West Coast has turned against the president. Perhaps Republicans will have a chance at winning one of the states next year with those numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 26, 2011, 02:55:48 AM
SurveyUSA (August 22):

California: 43% Approve, 51% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c717d146-99e7-4de8-8217-9fb792fc2fb8

Kansas: 33% Approve, 65% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c9cb9d95-0451-467c-8613-efb0bf5d4a7e

Oregon: 41% Approve, 54% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=87dabdb7-5435-402e-891e-11b3bf475127

Washington: 44% Approve, 54% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c34262fe-7152-4e56-be8d-dd7e32b0f6dd

It's good to see the West Coast has turned against the president. Perhaps Republicans will have a chance at winning one of the states next year with those numbers.

Yes. Kansas.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 26, 2011, 08:44:37 AM




Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43, +1.

Disapprove 56%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, -1.


With Irene coming, we shouldn't rely on national polling after tomorrow, at least until mid week of next week.  There is the potential for a lot of disruption.

It's 15 months before the bleeping election in the middle of summer.

Other than us hard core junkies, nobody cares, much less has though about, any of this.

The polls are meaningless for about another 10 months or so...

Vorlon, we are the junkies.  :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: redcommander on August 26, 2011, 11:30:05 AM
SurveyUSA (August 22):

California: 43% Approve, 51% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c717d146-99e7-4de8-8217-9fb792fc2fb8

Kansas: 33% Approve, 65% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c9cb9d95-0451-467c-8613-efb0bf5d4a7e

Oregon: 41% Approve, 54% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=87dabdb7-5435-402e-891e-11b3bf475127

Washington: 44% Approve, 54% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c34262fe-7152-4e56-be8d-dd7e32b0f6dd

It's good to see the West Coast has turned against the president. Perhaps Republicans will have a chance at winning one of the states next year with those numbers.

Yes. Kansas.

I didn't know the polar icecaps had melted so soon.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 26, 2011, 12:31:09 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  42%, +1.

Disapprove:  50%, u.

Perhaps von Kluck has started moving to the southwest, away from Paris.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 26, 2011, 03:41:22 PM
You would think that Survey USA would get their act together on the West Coast. All their polls for over a year have been useless garbarge in that region.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on August 26, 2011, 04:11:12 PM

Perhaps von Kluck has started moving to the southwest, away from Paris.


If there is indeed a change of direction, so far it's pretty subtle.....

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 26, 2011, 04:16:41 PM

Perhaps von Kluck has started moving to the southwest, away from Paris.


If there is indeed a change of direction, so far it's pretty subtle.....

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It is too early to tell (it actually took the French about two days to figure out the real von Kluck's turn), but that is the first sign.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 27, 2011, 08:45:12 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, +2.

Disapprove 54%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -2.

Bad sample dropping?  Hurricane?



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Niemeyerite on August 27, 2011, 10:18:04 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, +2.

Disapprove 54%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -2.

Bad sample dropping?  Hurricane?




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 27, 2011, 10:23:48 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, +2.

Disapprove 54%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -2.

Bad sample dropping?  Hurricane?



It could be Libya. Nasty dictator goes down, and the US has avoided bad consequences.

Note that with the possible exception of South Carolina (whose involvement in this hurricane is likely to have been slight), every state in the path of Hurricane Irene voted for President Obama in 2008.

I am not going to trust any national polling for about a week for the simple reason that far too much of the American public stands to face damage and disruption from this hurricane. Likewise I hope that PPP, Quinnipiac, and others choose to poll such states as Michigan, Missouri, and Ohio next week.

Hurricane seasons have been comparatively modest since 2005... and we need remember that the mishandling of natural disasters created its own electoral disaster for the President of the time. Never underestimate the potential for stupidity and crass grandstanding. Both major political parties can get hurt here.

That is before I even start to think of the potential for deaths, crippling injuries, and economic damage.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 27, 2011, 03:26:12 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  41%, -1.

Disapprove:  51%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 28, 2011, 09:37:52 AM
Rasmussen:

46-54 (+1, nc)
23-40 (+1, -2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 28, 2011, 10:24:13 AM
Just for formatting:

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46, +1.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -2.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 28, 2011, 11:08:29 AM
Just for formatting:

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, +1.

Disapprove 56%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -2.

Typo, it's 46-54.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 28, 2011, 11:19:22 AM
Just for formatting:

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, +1.

Disapprove 56%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -2.

Typo, it's 46-54.

Got it!  Thanks!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 28, 2011, 12:12:05 PM
Gallup:

38% Approve (-3)
55% Disapprove (+4)

Meh.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Rowan on August 28, 2011, 12:17:05 PM
Clearly that low rating is because all of his east coast supporters were evacuated from their homes or knocked offline.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 28, 2011, 12:20:43 PM
Gallup:

38% Approve (-3)
55% Disapprove (+4)

Meh.

Von Kluck is still outside of Amiens.  

Seriously, considering that there were probably difficulties calling people in NC, VA, MD, DE, NJ, and NY, all states Obama carried, I wouldn't read too much into this.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 28, 2011, 01:07:43 PM
Just for formatting:

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46, +1.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -2.

Looks good for a change, but any national polls over the next three days or so are obviously suspect -- whatever they are. State polls outside of the storm zone will be interesting.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 28, 2011, 07:11:30 PM
Just for formatting:

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46, +1.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -2.

Looks good for a change, but any national polls over the next three days or so are obviously suspect -- whatever they are. State polls outside of the storm zone will be interesting.


I made that point before the storm hit.  :)

I'd really wait until Thursday at the earliest before I'd start viewing the polls with normal skepticism.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on August 29, 2011, 12:27:25 AM
I don't buy Gallup - 3 or 4% swings in such a short amount of time do show that it is a volatile electorate... but I, in all objective reason, don't see them as reasonable swings.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: krazen1211 on August 29, 2011, 08:09:41 AM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/62190.html

He's lost ground according to the AP-GfK data, with white voters, women, liberals and younger voters, in surveys taken just after the debt-ceiling debate.



Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/62190.html#ixzz1WQI40X1D


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 29, 2011, 08:21:07 AM
Just for formatting:

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46, +1.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -2.

Looks good for a change, but any national polls over the next three days or so are obviously suspect -- whatever they are. State polls outside of the storm zone will be interesting.


I made that point before the storm hit.  :)

I'd really wait until Thursday at the earliest before I'd start viewing the polls with normal skepticism.

Exactly. Maybe I wasn't clear enough in saying that that is the last national poll that I am going to consider valid until the power lines are up. The geographic scale of damage is far wider, and the storm affects far more people, than is usual for a hurricane. The states and DC affected comprise 140 electoral votes.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 29, 2011, 08:38:16 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, -1.

Disapprove 55%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 29, 2011, 08:47:56 AM
I don't buy Gallup - 3 or 4% swings in such a short amount of time do show that it is a volatile electorate... but I, in all objective reason, don't see them as reasonable swings.

These are common on Gallup, which accounts for the "meh."  Actually these swings are within the MOE.

The main thing that I'm looking for on Gallup is the low point, and that is for historical comparisons.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 29, 2011, 08:59:16 AM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/62190.html

He's lost ground according to the AP-GfK data, with white voters, women, liberals and younger voters, in surveys taken just after the debt-ceiling debate.



Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/62190.html#ixzz1WQI40X1D

I am not surprised that that is the explanation. The response to Hurricane Irene will soon matter far more.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 29, 2011, 12:06:36 PM
Gallup:

31% Approve (-7)
63% Disapprove (+8)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on August 29, 2011, 12:09:58 PM
Gallup:

31% Approve (-7)
63% Disapprove (+8)

is this a joke?!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 29, 2011, 12:10:27 PM

It's Gallup, what do you think ?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on August 29, 2011, 12:11:25 PM

I can't see how they would drop that quickly...do you have a link?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 29, 2011, 12:12:40 PM
Gallup:

31% Approve (-7)
63% Disapprove (+8)

It's not up on their site yet.  They've also been known to get typos.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on August 29, 2011, 12:13:12 PM
The response to Hurricane Irene will soon matter far more.

response to basically a non event?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on August 29, 2011, 12:13:51 PM
Gallup:

31% Approve (-7)
63% Disapprove (+8)

It's not up on their site yet.  They've also been known to get typos.

well, if you two are playing a joke, I'm not going to find it funny


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 29, 2011, 12:17:07 PM
Gallup:

31% Approve (-7)
63% Disapprove (+8)

It's not up on their site yet.  They've also been known to get typos.

well, if you two are playing a joke, I'm not going to find it funny

I could swear, for a few seconds these were the numbers I saw ... ;)

...

Editorial note: Gallup will not publish new Gallup Daily tracking results on Monday, August 29. The next update will be Tuesday, August 30.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 29, 2011, 12:18:55 PM
Gallup:

31% Approve (-7)
63% Disapprove (+8)

It's not up on their site yet.  They've also been known to get typos.

well, if you two are playing a joke, I'm not going to find it funny

I'm not; they just have yesterday's numbers posted.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

The note is up:  http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on August 29, 2011, 12:21:01 PM
Gallup:

31% Approve (-7)
63% Disapprove (+8)

It's not up on their site yet.  They've also been known to get typos.

well, if you two are playing a joke, I'm not going to find it funny

I could swear, for a few seconds these were the numbers I saw ... ;)

ha ha...not funny.  31 is a totally different political reality than 38, because at this point in time 31 would not only be bad news for Obama, it would be a serious bad omen for his successor.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Biden is your president. Deal with it. on August 29, 2011, 01:36:09 PM
Lol gallup is more bi-polar than my ex. but really some weirdos prob got ahold of of gallup his numbers will creep back up in the coming days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 29, 2011, 02:34:39 PM
Gallup:

31% Approve (-7)
63% Disapprove (+8)

It's not up on their site yet.  They've also been known to get typos.

well, if you two are playing a joke, I'm not going to find it funny

I could swear, for a few seconds these were the numbers I saw ... ;)

ha ha...not funny.  31 is a totally different political reality than 38, because at this point in time 31 would not only be bad news for Obama, it would be a serious bad omen for his successor.

Something is up on Gallup.  Maybe they looked at it, thought is a bad sample or there was a fairly large sections of the Northeast they couldn't reach.  Looking at the areas with major disruptions, they equal 129 EV, all of which went to Obama last time.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Jack1475 on August 30, 2011, 12:14:00 AM
Can you say decline!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 30, 2011, 01:44:29 AM
Weekly PPP/DailyKos/SEIU poll:

42% Approve (nc)
54% Disapprove (+1)

Public Policy Polling, 1000 Registered Voters, MoE 3.1%, August 25, 2011 - August 28, 2011.

http://dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/8/25


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on August 30, 2011, 07:54:05 AM

Sure.  But I can also say 'transitory' and 'reversible' in that context.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 30, 2011, 08:52:24 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43, -2.

Disapprove 56%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +2.

It looks like a pro-Obama sample dropped out.  I'm sort of worried about the Irene effect on the polling, but these numbers are almost identical to the pre-Irene numbers.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 30, 2011, 09:03:17 AM

Sure.  But I can also say 'transitory' and 'reversible' in that context.


Can you say "When" or "How low will he go?"

Right now, his numbers are lower than any other president since 1970, for this point in time, except for Carter.  Carter's numbers were improving at this point in time.  No incumbent that was re-elected had numbers this low at this point in time since 1970.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 30, 2011, 12:58:49 PM
Odd, Gallup has not reported yet.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on August 30, 2011, 01:06:43 PM
Weekly PPP/DailyKos/SEIU poll:

42% Approve (nc)
54% Disapprove (+1)

Public Policy Polling, 1000 Registered Voters, MoE 3.1%, August 25, 2011 - August 28, 2011.

http://dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/8/25

independents voters: 33-66

Sample: D+6

I would like understand how gallup, polling adults (more democrats than "likely voters"), can give ALWAYS worst results that rasmussen, polling likely voters. On this, between Ras and Gallup, I prefer PPP... ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 30, 2011, 01:18:32 PM
Gallup's front page is showing 38 to 54, unchanged, but it is still showing the last changes on the other pages.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Biden is your president. Deal with it. on August 30, 2011, 04:29:58 PM
I am betting its a very bad simple it should drop out next week.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 30, 2011, 04:41:02 PM
I am betting its a very bad simple it should drop out next week.

You'd lose the bet. 

Gallup is a three day sample, so a skewed sample in there Sunday should drop out after today or tomorrow's sampling (since they skipped a day of polling).

Further, Obama had these numbers last week on some days as well.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on August 30, 2011, 06:34:49 PM
Zogby: Obama at 40% national

http://www.zogby.com/news/2011/08/30/ibope-zogby-poll-perry-races-far-ahead-republican-field-4-announced-gop-candidates-tie-or-lead-obama/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 30, 2011, 07:52:39 PM
Zogby: Obama at 40% national

http://www.zogby.com/news/2011/08/30/ibope-zogby-poll-perry-races-far-ahead-republican-field-4-announced-gop-candidates-tie-or-lead-obama/

It's Zogby.  Even worse, it is an interactive Zogby.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on August 30, 2011, 10:38:14 PM
back to the gallup 31 pc rumor...I think the headlines of such a quick drop could cause social unrest in america, and not among obamas supporters, but simply because it would mean a quick and radical shift, showing people were losing faith in government...that is why I didn't think it was funny at all, in fact it would e very troubling 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 30, 2011, 11:46:30 PM
back to the gallup 31 pc rumor...I think the headlines of such a quick drop could cause social unrest in america, and not among obamas supporters, but simply because it would mean a quick and radical shift, showing people were losing faith in government...that is why I didn't think it was funny at all, in fact it would e very troubling 

They've run lower numbers for other presidents.

I think it was a really bad sample and they decided not to use it.  It might have been related to the hurricane.  It would be difficult to poll NC, VA, DE, MD, PA, NY, CN, and VT this week.  :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on August 31, 2011, 08:01:07 AM
back to the gallup 31 pc rumor...I think the headlines of such a quick drop could cause social unrest in america, and not among obamas supporters, but simply because it would mean a quick and radical shift, showing people were losing faith in government...that is why I didn't think it was funny at all, in fact it would e very troubling 

They've run lower numbers for other presidents.

true, but that quick a drop, from 38 to 31, in this politcal climate could be a precursor to the riots Ron Paul predicted....which is what alarmed me - the only way Ron Paul gets elected is if there is mass chaos

also, if we are in a double dip come next summer and it is clear obama is going to lose, Rick Perry aint exactly a beacon of hope and we could see social unrest in the US


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 31, 2011, 08:17:31 AM
back to the gallup 31 pc rumor...I think the headlines of such a quick drop could cause social unrest in america, and not among obamas supporters, but simply because it would mean a quick and radical shift, showing people were losing faith in government...that is why I didn't think it was funny at all, in fact it would e very troubling 

They've run lower numbers for other presidents.

true, but that quick a drop, from 38 to 31, in this politcal climate could be a precursor to the riots Ron Paul predicted....which is what alarmed me - the only way Ron Paul gets elected is if there is mass chaos

also, if we are in a double dip come next summer and it is clear obama is going to lose, Rick Perry aint exactly a beacon of hope and we could see social unrest in the US

I don't think there ever was that cause and effect.  Unrest might cause a president's numbers to drop, but a president's dropping numbers don't cause unrest.

I think this was more of a sample that was clearly unreliable, because of problems acquiring the sample (and certainly not mirrored in other polls).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 31, 2011, 08:39:31 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 42, -1.

Disapprove 57%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 19%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, +1.

Obama has, generally, been in decline since the second or third week of July.  It does not look like he is improving and may be eroding slightly.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on August 31, 2011, 09:06:26 AM
I don't think there ever was that cause and effect.  Unrest might cause a president's numbers to drop, but a president's dropping numbers don't cause unrest.

not the news itself, just the underlying current that would be behind such a quick drop in approval.  at this point in time (with really no major news story), a rapid mood swing reflected in such a quick drop would be very bad news for both parties and for the country in general.  it would be a sign that the cohesiveness that binds us together as Americans was coming unravelled.

needless to say, I was alarmed when I saw the quick drop to 31...made me want to go out and buy ammo and stock up on canned goods


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 31, 2011, 03:44:31 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  39%, +1.

Disapprove:  54%, -1.


Any "hurricane damaged sample" should be out Friday.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 01, 2011, 08:35:34 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43, +1.

Disapprove 56%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 19%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -1.

No Irene effect.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 01, 2011, 08:53:10 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43, +1.

Disapprove 56%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 19%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -1.

No Irene effect.



Just that no conclusions can be drawn, PPP will have Kentucky (safely out of the range of Irene), and South Carolina (slight if any effect from Irene). This weekend PPP will be doing West Virginia and North Carolina. I think that PPP would be unwise to poll North Carolina this weekend -- and not that I would prefer that it polled Florida or Missouri.

The President does not grandstand on natural disasters, but I figure that people still remember the tragedy and travesty of Katrina.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 01, 2011, 12:02:21 PM
Strong jump on the Gallup today:

42% Approve (+3)
50% Disapprove (-4)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 01, 2011, 12:03:41 PM
Strong jump on the Gallup today:

42% Approve (+3)
50% Disapprove (-4)

In before anyone says Irene. ::)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 01, 2011, 12:03:48 PM
Quinnipiac had it 42-52 today (well, in the last 2 weeks).

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1640


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 01, 2011, 12:31:11 PM
WV (West Virginia Chamber of Commerce/R.L. Repass & Partners):

24% Approve
64% Disapprove

R.L. Repass & Partners conducted the telephone poll for the Chamber in mid-August. It questioned 300 registered voters in West Virginia about where they stand on politics, the economy, sports, and other topics.

http://www.statejournal.com/story.cfm?func=viewstory&storyid=106674

"The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 2 percent."

LOL, what ?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on September 01, 2011, 12:47:49 PM
Obama average approval August 2011 (Gallup)

40% Approve

52% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Roosevelt: 48/43 (August 1939)

Truman: No poll (August 1947) AND 31/57 (August 1951)

Eisenhower: 74/14 (August 1955)

Kennedy: 63/26 (August 1963)

Johnson: 40/48 (August 1967)

Nixon: 49/39 (August 1971)

Ford: 46/37 (August 1975)

Carter: 32/54 (August 1979)

Reagan: 43/46 (August 1983)

Bush I: 71/21 (August 1991)

Clinton: 46/43 (August 1995)

Bush II: 60/37 (August 2003)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 01, 2011, 01:37:15 PM


http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  42%, +3.

Disapprove:  50%, -4.


Maybe a hurricane damaged sample dropping out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 01, 2011, 03:30:09 PM
Prime example of the sort of poll that I consider suspect:

Quote
In addition, 64 percent of West Virginians say they disapprove of the job President Barack Obama is doing. Approximately 24 percent said they approved of the president’s job performance.

Reason:

Quote
The West Virginia Chamber of Commerce commissioned a poll to evaluate where Mountain State residents stand on many issues, including politics, court reform and redistricting. The first half of the poll was released at 10 a.m. Sept. 1 during the Chamber’s annual meeting and Business Summit at The Greenbrier. The second half of the poll will be released Sept. 2.

http://www.statejournal.com/story.cfm?func=viewstory&storyid=106674

A state Chamber of Commerce is about as likely to show no bias as a labor union is likely to show no bias.

Quote
The poll also asked residents where they stand on unions and whether they would support or oppose a law allowing a person to not join a union or pay union dues at their place of employment if there is a union presence there. According to the poll, 60 percent of people would support that law, 18 percent would oppose the law and a combined 22 percent said they were either unsure or neither supported or opposed the law.


Because evisceration of labor unions is one of the cornerstones of any pro-business group and West Virginia has a long heritage of strong union activity, I would consider that suspect.

PPP will poll the state this weekend, and I wouldn't be surprised if President Obama polls only in the 30s in the Mountaineer State, as he is a poor match for the culture of Appalachia. I am showing it because it shows what "suspect" looks like.




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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    25
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 104
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  57
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  73
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  32
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   16





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Here's the rationale:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html

...and I am less charitable to an incumbent President than is Nate Silver.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    35
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 117
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  18
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  43
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but  Romney 29
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  26
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 110
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  0
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 01, 2011, 04:07:54 PM
Pennsylvania, Franklin&Marshall.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/images/video/2011_pdfs/0901gpPolls.pdf

It's an EGFP poll, and not an approval poll, so I won't show the EGFP results. Check the link if you are curious.

I can't copy the data directly, but in essence, the President out-polls all major Pennsylvania pols (including the Republican Governor and the split Senatorial delegation) President Obama fares better than any shown Republican challenger except Perry, who is not shown. I have no cause to believe  that Rick Perry would fare better than Romney or Bachmann in Pennsylvania.


Now, for one that nobody can argue with:

Quote
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 41%
Disapprove...................................................... 56%
Not sure .......................................................... 4%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Michele Bachmann, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 44%
Michele Bachmann ......................................... 44%
Undecided....................................................... 12%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 44%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 45%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 45%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 45%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Rick
Perry, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 41%
Rick Perry ....................................................... 49%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 38%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 53%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/09/obama-lags-perry-by-8-romney-by-15-in-south-carolina.html#more

South Carolina is close to the national level for approval ratings... but the President would lose the state.





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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    25
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 104
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  48
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  73
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  41
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   16





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Here's the rationale:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html

...and I am less charitable to an incumbent President than is Nate Silver.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    35
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 117
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  18
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  63
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but  Romney 9
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  26
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 101
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  9
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  18  



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on September 01, 2011, 05:47:06 PM
Obama at 38%

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/20110830econToplines.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 02, 2011, 12:38:08 AM
FOX News:

44% Approve
47% Disapprove

http://www.foxnews.com/interactive/politics/2011/09/01/fox-news-poll-60-disapprove-president-obama-on-job-creation


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 02, 2011, 08:41:03 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, +1.

Disapprove 55%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 19%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Niemeyerite on September 02, 2011, 10:42:27 AM
Is Obama improving his numbers???


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 02, 2011, 10:56:52 AM

Not on Rasmussen.  He was actually a bit stronger at the start of the week.

On Gallup, he's off his lows but still within the MOE.  I'm paying particular attention to when he "troughs," i.e. hit his low point and starts recovering.  He might have, but the last time it looked like he "might" have, he fell back.

Yes, I'm expecting Obama to recover prior to the election.  His low numbers are survivable, though it is getting close to the point of no return.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President von Cat on September 02, 2011, 12:12:14 PM
Well, today's horrible jobs report is probably going to increase worries of a double dip, which is going to keep him in the low 40s or high 30s for the foreseeable future.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 02, 2011, 01:38:58 PM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  42%, u.

Disapprove:  50%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 02, 2011, 04:53:15 PM
Kentucky:

Quote
39% of voters approve and 56% disapprove of the president’s job performance, up from a 31-62 margin late last October.  That still makes it his seventh or eighth worst standing in any of the 45 states we've measured him in.  32% of the state’s conservative Democrats disapprove, to two-thirds approving; they make up 55% of voters.  Republicans almost unanimously disapprove, and independents fall at 31-66.

But even with this poor result for approval of the President, Barack Obama still is behind Romney by 8%, Perry by 7%, and Bachmann by 3%. I'm not going to even mention Sarah Palin or Newt Gingrich, whose atrocious performances in a state that Dubya won by roughly 15% twice now suggests a travesty if included. President Obama will likely gain more than 6% from his approval rating, but even at that he would still lose the state by ione of the largest margins in America. The rules of my model suggest that Kentucky is out of reach for the President.





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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    25
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 104
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  48
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  73
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  41
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   26





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Here's the rationale:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html

...and I am less charitable to an incumbent President than is Nate Silver.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    35
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 117
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  18
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  63
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but  Romney 9
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  26
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 101
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  9
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  26  



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on September 02, 2011, 05:28:03 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  42%, u.

Disapprove:  50%, u.

WE have had Obama bounce around a fair bit in Gallup.

Can't quite tell it ifs really good samples now and then bouncing him up to 42% or very bad samples now and then dropping him into the thirties.

Think it's the latter actually, but no real way to tell.

Just about everybody says 40-45%, so unless the economy turns around he is in for a really tough race.




Corrected :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 02, 2011, 06:21:24 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  42%, u.

Disapprove:  50%, u.


WE have had Obama bounce around a fair bit in Gallup.

Can't quite tell it ifs really good samples now and then bouncing him up to 42% or very bad samples now and then dropping him into the thirties.

Think it's the latter actually, but no real way to tell.

Just about everybody says 40-45%, so unless the economy turns around he is in for a really tough race.




Corrected :)
[/quote]

Got it.  But there was no change.  It is the same from yesterday.  The movement was only about 4 points over 3-4 days, off a low.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on September 02, 2011, 09:40:19 PM

Not on Rasmussen.  He was actually a bit stronger at the start of the week.

On Gallup, he's off his lows but still within the MOE.  I'm paying particular attention to when he "troughs," i.e. hit his low point and starts recovering.  He might have, but the last time it looked like he "might" have, he fell back.

Yes, I'm expecting Obama to recover prior to the election.  His low numbers are survivable, though it is getting close to the point of no return.

He's going to need to get back to at least 48% by next fall if he is going to win reelection. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 02, 2011, 11:15:56 PM

Not on Rasmussen.  He was actually a bit stronger at the start of the week.

On Gallup, he's off his lows but still within the MOE.  I'm paying particular attention to when he "troughs," i.e. hit his low point and starts recovering.  He might have, but the last time it looked like he "might" have, he fell back.

Yes, I'm expecting Obama to recover prior to the election.  His low numbers are survivable, though it is getting close to the point of no return.

Quote
He's going to need to get back to at least 48% by next fall if he is going to win reelection. 


Just to be clear, that is not my comment.  Right now, Obama is in the range where hope is not lost.  He's rapidly approaching the point where he probably cannot recover.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 03, 2011, 06:08:43 AM
New Jersey (Kean University Center for History, Politics and Policy):

53% Approve
44% Disapprove

(Gov. Christie)

54% Approve
44% Disapprove

The New Jersey Speaks poll surveyed 1,000 likely voters in New Jersey on August 30. The poll's margin of error is plus or minus 3 points.

The Kean University Center for History, Politics and Policy was founded in July by Dr. Dawood Farahi, president of Kean University. “The center will provide a wealth of expertise and analysis from Kean University's faculty,” Dr. Farahi said. “Whether the conversation concerns climate change, human rights, New Jersey politics, or computer literacy, Kean University faculty have the knowledge and wisdom to enrich our civic conversation. The Center for History, Politics and Policy will bring that knowledge and wisdom into the global community.”

http://www.kean.edu/pressreleases/2011/09/02_PresidentArrivesNJ.asp


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 03, 2011, 08:51:23 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, +1.

Disapprove 54%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 19%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -1.

Possibly some movement toward Obama or statistical noise. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: sentinel on September 03, 2011, 11:01:23 AM
I based this on the decent aggregate of polls that Wikipedia has for state head-to-head polling.

This is for an Perry-Obama matchup without me including any of my own opinions. Took the most recent poll, regardless of how close it was or who had a majority (or lack there of).

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Obama-178
Perry - 17
No poll: 343

If I throw in the states that we can pretty much call already...(shaded 90%)

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Obama - 385
Perry - 153

Now I think it'd be a little weird if Texas went Democrat and Georgia or Arizona didn't --so this exact result is unrealistic --but the way Perry is polling even when Obama's numbers are down isn't great.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 03, 2011, 12:26:40 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  42%, u.

Disapprove:  51%, +1.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President von Cat on September 03, 2011, 03:21:48 PM
It is going to be hard not obsess over his opinion polls over the next few days. It is hard to believe that he will manage to stay in the 40s with an economy headed back into recession.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on September 03, 2011, 07:18:49 PM
For the fun of it, I took the most recent polling data from here to make a map.  Call me pBrower :P

I did not mess with the numbers in any way.  Note that in cases where there were polls available for both "named opponent" and "generic republican," I selected "named opponent" in all cases except those in which the only named opponent is not running or the poll is extremely outdated (older than six months, so the oldest polls should date back to March).  States for which no polls that meet this criteria and that are not "junk" exist have been colored grey.

In cases where reliable results exist for more then one credible republican candidate that is currently running, I have averaged them together.  This is why Florida is colored red despite Romney's tie in the latest Quinippiac poll against Obama.  States that average out to be in a tie (actual, not statistical) are colored white.

I have shamelessly stolen the color scheme from pBrower.  Keep in mind, the map shows margins.
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5%
white                        tie (margin 1% or less)
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin
deep blue                 Republican over 10%


In this map, I averaged together the scores of Mitt Romney, Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann, and Herman Cain (or any combination thereof).

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This map combines Romney with Perry, or Bachmann if he is unavailable (and in the case of Georgia, with Cain).  I also took the precaution of including each individual poll's margin of error in this map.  Hopefully, this one is a bit more accurate.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 03, 2011, 09:17:31 PM
New Jersey (Kean University Center for History, Politics and Policy):

53% Approve
44% Disapprove

(Gov. Christie)

54% Approve
44% Disapprove

The New Jersey Speaks poll surveyed 1,000 likely voters in New Jersey on August 30. The poll's margin of error is plus or minus 3 points.

The Kean University Center for History, Politics and Policy was founded in July by Dr. Dawood Farahi, president of Kean University. “The center will provide a wealth of expertise and analysis from Kean University's faculty,” Dr. Farahi said. “Whether the conversation concerns climate change, human rights, New Jersey politics, or computer literacy, Kean University faculty have the knowledge and wisdom to enrich our civic conversation. The Center for History, Politics and Policy will bring that knowledge and wisdom into the global community.”

http://www.kean.edu/pressreleases/2011/09/02_PresidentArrivesNJ.asp




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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    25
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 104
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  48
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  73
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  41
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   26





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Here's the rationale:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html

...and I am less charitable to an incumbent President than is Nate Silver.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  109
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    49
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 117
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  18
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  49
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but  Romney 9
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  26
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 101
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  9
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  26  




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 04, 2011, 08:57:27 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, -1.

Disapprove 55%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 19%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +2.

No movement toward Obama. 

I think we can rule out a "debt ceiling slump" or an "Irene boost."

It looks like a slump in Obama's numbers since mid-July, with it expanding in early August.  He is not in free fall.

It is like he took a step down on the stairs in July, and then another one in August.  He has not tripped and fallen down the stairs, however.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 04, 2011, 11:58:26 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, -1.

Disapprove 55%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 19%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +2.

No movement toward Obama. 

I think we can rule out a "debt ceiling slump" or an "Irene boost."

It looks like a slump in Obama's numbers since mid-July, with it expanding in early August.  He is not in free fall.

It is like he took a step down on the stairs in July, and then another one in August.  He has not tripped and fallen down the stairs, however.

President Obama has been in the 45% territory before.  He isn't campaigning (although we will get a taste of that on the most politicized day of the year for Democrats tomorrow). The debt ceiling debate was a disaster for all involved We might find out soon enough whether the public responses to Hurricane Irene put egg on the faces of some politicians.

We have been fortunate to have some comparatively mild hurricane seasons in 2009 and 2010. We know what Hurricane Katrina did in 2005 to the GOP. Short of wars (we seem to be losing opportunities for military glory), major legislation (like it or not, President Obama got that in 2009 and 2010), and big diplomatic successes (the Arab Spring so far looks good) the test of a President as an administrator is the natural disaster. Any effects of the response to Hurricane Irene will appear next week. Sure, we have usually taken the response to a natural disaster for granted as a political matter -- but not since Hurricane Katrina.

PPP is polling North Carolina this weekend. 



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 04, 2011, 12:52:58 PM
Yes, that makes perfect sense. Last month his approvals were in the 30s, and now they are in the 40s.

He just keeps going lower and lower!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 04, 2011, 01:30:21 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  42%, u.

Disapprove:  50%, -1.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 04, 2011, 01:35:46 PM
Yes, that makes perfect sense. Last month his approvals were in the 30s, and now they are in the 40s.

He just keeps going lower and lower!

Actually, there has not been that much change on Gallup.  He is at 40, +/- 2.  That's been his weekly average for 1-2 weeks.

Disapprove has dropped a bit.

Rasmussen has him fairly stable.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on September 04, 2011, 06:22:11 PM
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on September 04, 2011, 06:42:04 PM

This isn't the President Forever results thread.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 04, 2011, 06:44:44 PM

This is a realignment map.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 04, 2011, 09:48:44 PM
California:

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By 50% to 43%, voters approved of Obama's handling of the presidency, down from a high of 60% a year after his election. But the state's three most potent voter groups — women, nonpartisan voters and Latinos — remained firmly in his corner. Fifty-five percent of women and nonpartisan voters were satisfied with the job the president is doing, a judgment shared by 59% of Latinos.

"Californians have growing concerns about the state of the economy and the president's performance on economic matters, but they don't see anyone on the Republican side who they are willing to support," said poll director Dan Schnur, head of the Jesse M. Unruh Institute of Politics at USC.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-0905-poll-presidential-20110905,0,6048766.story




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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2010 or 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  54
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    80
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 104
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  48
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  73
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  41
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   26





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Here's the rationale:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html

...and I am less charitable to an incumbent President than is Nate Silver.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  54
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    104
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 117
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  18
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  49
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but  Romney 9
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  26
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 101
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  9
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  26  





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on September 04, 2011, 10:28:20 PM

Who would be the Republican candidate under this scenario? It's going to take someone of some caliber to win California, though I do agree it's not impossible. Republicans refuse to do that though. It goes against their values or something. I don't understand them.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 05, 2011, 08:36:03 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, u.

Disapprove 55%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 20%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 05, 2011, 08:56:38 AM

Who would be the Republican candidate under this scenario? It's going to take someone of some caliber to win California, though I do agree it's not impossible. Republicans refuse to do that though. It goes against their values or something. I don't understand them.

Other than the percentages, either Romney (and Romney has a shot at MA) or Perry, provided that Rubio is on the ticket and that he he appeals to voters of Mexican ancestry (note that I did not say the broader Hispanic ancestry.)

Ironically, I could see this as well, which is a realignment map:

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Romney/Rubio, with swinging some of the voters of Mexican ancestry, but does well with Hispanics not of Mexican ancestry. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Disarray on September 05, 2011, 09:19:17 AM
Who would be the Republican candidate under this scenario? It's going to take someone of some caliber to win California, though I do agree it's not impossible. Republicans refuse to do that though. It goes against their values or something. I don't understand them.

Not impossible? What planet do you live on? The Republican platform in 2012 will be running on the most poisonous economic platform ever campaigned on by either party in the history of our country.

Reforming (gutting) entitlement programs
and
Tax cuts for the wealthy/corporations

Which in it by themselves are unpopular, together they're toxic.

Obama maybe end up being the weakest incumbent since Carter, but the GOP will be running Goldwater.

What happens when you do 1980 D vs 1964 R ? Certainly not a landslide in either direction.

Also keep in mind the electorate will be only 68 to 72% white in 2012, but I guess you figure Hispanics (who are overwhelmingly economic liberals ) will vote for tea party economics if you just put Rubio on the ticket.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on September 05, 2011, 09:37:19 AM
Calm down buddy. I think I made it quite clear what I thought about the Republican's chances in California, considering who they are about to nominate. JJ thinks Romney or Perry could almost win in California, or New York, but as usual he is wrong. But you put in a candidate who talks clearly and says we need to raise taxes but at the same reform entitlements, and add in a worsening economy and you have that sort of a victory. And yes I do think the economy needs to do much worse than just create 0 jobs for this scenario to occur.

And don't for a moment think a victory like this would be some great endorsement of the GOP. They could just as easily get thrown out in the next election. That's just how things are these days with the electorate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 05, 2011, 10:12:31 AM
Calm down buddy. I think I made it quite clear what I thought about the Republican's chances in California, considering who they are about to nominate. JJ thinks Romney or Perry could almost win in California, or New York, but as usual he is wrong. But you put in a candidate who talks clearly and says we need to raise taxes but at the same reform entitlements, and add in a worsening economy and you have that sort of a victory. And yes I do think the economy needs to do much worse than just create 0 jobs for this scenario to occur.

And don't for a moment think a victory like this would be some great endorsement of the GOP. They could just as easily get thrown out in the next election. That's just how things are these days with the electorate.

Well, I'm not quite saying almost.  I think that, with the right VP nominee, in the right conditions, either Perry or Romney would carry one or both.

A few things have to happen:

1.  The double dip, with unemployment higher than 9.0%.

2.  The right VP candidate, one that appeals to at least some Hispanics, like Rubio.


Just think about that possible combination in NY.

1.  The people that voted for hope and change see neither, and some of them stay home.  These are the core of Democratic support.

2.  Hispanics (mainly Puerto Ricans) more weakly support Obama; even if the turnout is less, a greater percentage vote for ____ and Rubio.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on September 05, 2011, 10:35:37 AM
For Perry to win New York or California, the economy would have to be in complete freefall. With Romney, maybe he could pull it out since people do see him as some economic master or whatever. Even with Romney we would have to see unemployment pushing close to 10% though. If unemployment is still at 9.1-9.3%, we are looking at a close Obama loss at best for the Republicans. The battleground would still be the Midwest, four corners states and the Mid-Atlantic.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Disarray on September 05, 2011, 10:53:33 AM
Calm down buddy. I think I made it quite clear what I thought about the Republican's chances in California, considering who they are about to nominate. JJ thinks Romney or Perry could almost win in California, or New York, but as usual he is wrong. But you put in a candidate who talks clearly and says we need to raise taxes but at the same reform entitlements, and add in a worsening economy and you have that sort of a victory. And yes I do think the economy needs to do much worse than just create 0 jobs for this scenario to occur.

And don't for a moment think a victory like this would be some great endorsement of the GOP. They could just as easily get thrown out in the next election. That's just how things are these days with the electorate.

Every single Republican candidate including the so called moderate Huntsman ruled out even a 10 to 1 ratio of spending cuts to tax increases.

The Paul Ryan plan which 95%+ of the GOP Congress voted for cuts taxes for the wealthy substantially.

I'm not saying the eventual GOP candidate isn't going to move somewhat to the right from the far right after the primaries, but to suggest that the GOP candidate may campaign on tax increases on the wealthy is just crazy.

There is a 0.0% chance of that happening, how do you not know that by now?

Now they may propose tax increases on the poor like Paul Ryan's plan does, but that would be a just another negative on their election odds.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on September 05, 2011, 12:18:23 PM
Calm down buddy. I think I made it quite clear what I thought about the Republican's chances in California, considering who they are about to nominate. JJ thinks Romney or Perry could almost win in California, or New York, but as usual he is wrong. But you put in a candidate who talks clearly and says we need to raise taxes but at the same reform entitlements, and add in a worsening economy and you have that sort of a victory. And yes I do think the economy needs to do much worse than just create 0 jobs for this scenario to occur.

And don't for a moment think a victory like this would be some great endorsement of the GOP. They could just as easily get thrown out in the next election. That's just how things are these days with the electorate.

Every single Republican candidate including the so called moderate Huntsman ruled out even a 10 to 1 ratio of spending cuts to tax increases.

The Paul Ryan plan which 95%+ of the GOP Congress voted for cuts taxes for the wealthy substantially.

I'm not saying the eventual GOP candidate isn't going to move somewhat to the right from the far right after the primaries, but to suggest that the GOP candidate may campaign on tax increases on the wealthy is just crazy.

There is a 0.0% chance of that happening, how do you not know that by now?

Now they may propose tax increases on the poor like Paul Ryan's plan does, but that would be a just another negative on their election odds.

I think I already mentioned the Republicans refuse to nominate a sensible candidate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 05, 2011, 01:25:24 PM
For Perry to win New York or California, the economy would have to be in complete freefall. With Romney, maybe he could pull it out since people do see him as some economic master or whatever. Even with Romney we would have to see unemployment pushing close to 10% though. If unemployment is still at 9.1-9.3%, we are looking at a close Obama loss at best for the Republicans. The battleground would still be the Midwest, four corners states and the Mid-Atlantic.

You'll have to define freefall.

I'm saying, a double dip recession, with greater than 9% employment, and Rubio on the ticket, you are looking a a map like the one I posted.

The midwest is already a battleground.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 05, 2011, 01:27:20 PM
Woohoo. 400.000 page views.

Let's have a party ... ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 05, 2011, 01:30:33 PM
For Perry to win New York or California, the economy would have to be in complete freefall. With Romney, maybe he could pull it out since people do see him as some economic master or whatever. Even with Romney we would have to see unemployment pushing close to 10% though. If unemployment is still at 9.1-9.3%, we are looking at a close Obama loss at best for the Republicans. The battleground would still be the Midwest, four corners states and the Mid-Atlantic.

You'll have to define freefall.

I'm saying, a double dip recession, with greater than 9% employment, and Rubio on the ticket, you are looking a a map like the one I posted.

The midwest is already a battleground.

For Perry to come close in New York or California, we would have to have around 15% unemployment nationwide, and both of those states would have to have 1/4 unemployment statewide. It would also help if the nation's economic outlook looked around the same as Greece's.

For Perry to win those states, Barack Obama would have to announce a White House address just before election night, have a good portion of the nation watching, and devour a litter of kittens on live television.

(assuming no third party runs)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 05, 2011, 03:25:40 PM
Quote

Editorial note: Gallup will not publish new Gallup Daily tracking results on Monday, Sept. 5. The next update will be Tuesday, Sept. 6.


In other words, Gallup screws up again.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 05, 2011, 04:27:01 PM
Huh? Tracking polls pretty regularly don't poll on Labor Day weekend. Of course, Rasmussen does, but they're a sh!t polling company.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 05, 2011, 04:30:13 PM
Huh? Tracking polls pretty regularly don't poll on Labor Day weekend. Of course, Rasmussen does, but they're a sh!t polling company.

Actually Gallup does, and they did Saturday; they also polled on Labor Day in 2009 and 2010.  BTW, Rasmussen was more accurate than Gallup last time.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on September 05, 2011, 04:37:45 PM
For Perry to win New York or California, the economy would have to be in complete freefall. With Romney, maybe he could pull it out since people do see him as some economic master or whatever. Even with Romney we would have to see unemployment pushing close to 10% though. If unemployment is still at 9.1-9.3%, we are looking at a close Obama loss at best for the Republicans. The battleground would still be the Midwest, four corners states and the Mid-Atlantic.

You'll have to define freefall.

I'm saying, a double dip recession, with greater than 9% employment, and Rubio on the ticket, you are looking a a map like the one I posted.

The midwest is already a battleground.

Freefall meaning credit markets seizing up, stock markets falling 500 points everyday and -500,000 payroll numbers. End of 2008 basically. You have to be a little more specific too. You really think Perry is going to win New York with 9.2% unemployment? That's absurd. Although when you start going above 10% unemployment, or at least payroll numbers as bad as I stated, then weird things can start happening. Still it would be a stretch for Perry to do well in the Northeast or the Pacific coast.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 05, 2011, 04:50:16 PM
For Perry to win New York or California, the economy would have to be in complete freefall. With Romney, maybe he could pull it out since people do see him as some economic master or whatever. Even with Romney we would have to see unemployment pushing close to 10% though. If unemployment is still at 9.1-9.3%, we are looking at a close Obama loss at best for the Republicans. The battleground would still be the Midwest, four corners states and the Mid-Atlantic.

You'll have to define freefall.

I'm saying, a double dip recession, with greater than 9% employment, and Rubio on the ticket, you are looking a a map like the one I posted.

The midwest is already a battleground.

Freefall meaning credit markets seizing up, stock markets falling 500 points everyday and -500,000 payroll numbers. End of 2008 basically. You have to be a little more specific too. You really think Perry is going to win New York with 9.2% unemployment? That's absurd. Although when you start going above 10% unemployment, or at least payroll numbers as bad as I stated, then weird things can start happening. Still it would be a stretch for Perry to do well in the Northeast or the Pacific coast.

I think it we have two quarters of negative growth, including a higher unemployment rate, we're not showing improvement over the summer of 2012, and Rubio is on the ticket, it is possible.  I should point out map, however, was for Romney/Rubio (which accounts for MA).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on September 05, 2011, 04:56:31 PM
For Perry to win New York or California, the economy would have to be in complete freefall. With Romney, maybe he could pull it out since people do see him as some economic master or whatever. Even with Romney we would have to see unemployment pushing close to 10% though. If unemployment is still at 9.1-9.3%, we are looking at a close Obama loss at best for the Republicans. The battleground would still be the Midwest, four corners states and the Mid-Atlantic.

You'll have to define freefall.

I'm saying, a double dip recession, with greater than 9% employment, and Rubio on the ticket, you are looking a a map like the one I posted.

The midwest is already a battleground.

It would take an economic situation like Hoover 1932.  With >18% unemployment, Perry would be favored in CA and NY would basically be a tie.  I think Obama would only win HI, VT, MA, MD, and DC and a 50/50 chance in NY and IL.       


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 05, 2011, 05:22:08 PM
For Perry to win New York or California, the economy would have to be in complete freefall. With Romney, maybe he could pull it out since people do see him as some economic master or whatever. Even with Romney we would have to see unemployment pushing close to 10% though. If unemployment is still at 9.1-9.3%, we are looking at a close Obama loss at best for the Republicans. The battleground would still be the Midwest, four corners states and the Mid-Atlantic.

You'll have to define freefall.

I'm saying, a double dip recession, with greater than 9% employment, and Rubio on the ticket, you are looking a a map like the one I posted.

The midwest is already a battleground.

It would take an economic situation like Hoover 1932.  With >18% unemployment, Perry would be favored in CA and NY would basically be a tie.  I think Obama would only win HI, VT, MA, MD, and DC and a 50/50 chance in NY and IL.       

It would take much less than 1932 to do that.  The numbers are better than 1980.  Arguably, the economy isn't as bad as 1980, but unemployment is higher.

There has to be several things happening.  One of them is Rubio as VP; a second one that Rubio will attract at least Hispanics not of Mexican descent.  The third is the economy is worse, and in recession through the summer of 2012.

I think with Perry, a map might look more like this:

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NB:  Those other conditions have to be present and there is no prediction that they will be.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on September 05, 2011, 05:54:27 PM
For Perry to win New York or California, the economy would have to be in complete freefall. With Romney, maybe he could pull it out since people do see him as some economic master or whatever. Even with Romney we would have to see unemployment pushing close to 10% though. If unemployment is still at 9.1-9.3%, we are looking at a close Obama loss at best for the Republicans. The battleground would still be the Midwest, four corners states and the Mid-Atlantic.

You'll have to define freefall.

I'm saying, a double dip recession, with greater than 9% employment, and Rubio on the ticket, you are looking a a map like the one I posted.

The midwest is already a battleground.

It would take an economic situation like Hoover 1932.  With >18% unemployment, Perry would be favored in CA and NY would basically be a tie.  I think Obama would only win HI, VT, MA, MD, and DC and a 50/50 chance in NY and IL.       

It would take much less than 1932 to do that.  The numbers are better than 1980.  Arguably, the economy isn't as bad as 1980, but unemployment is higher.

There has to be several things happening.  One of them is Rubio as VP; a second one that Rubio will attract at least Hispanics not of Mexican descent.  The third is the economy is worse, and in recession through the summer of 2012.

I think with Perry, a map might look more like this:

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NB:  Those other conditions have to be present and there is no prediction that they will be.

You aren't giving Obama enough credit.  Even in 1932, Hoover won 6 states and narrowly lost another 2.  In say a 12% unemployment scenario, the election would surely be lost, but Obama would still win at least 10-15 states in a 2 way election.  The 60% Obama 2008 states aren't flipping barring 25% local unemployment. 

I think this is his realistic floor vs. Perry (Romney might get a bigger landslide):

*12.1% Unemployment on Election Day, job losses through the summer and fall*

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Perry/Christie 376 EV/ 56.2% PV
Obama/Biden 162 EV/ 43.1% PV




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on September 05, 2011, 06:01:52 PM

This map seems oddly familiar.....


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on September 05, 2011, 06:04:18 PM
A realistic Obama Morning in America 2.0 ceiling:

*7.1% Unemployment on Election Day, >3.0 million new jobs created July-September 2012*

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Obama/Biden 453 EV/ 58.8% PV
Perry/Christie  85 EV/ 40.6% PV


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on September 05, 2011, 07:10:14 PM
A realistic Obama Morning in America 2.0 ceiling:

*6.9% Unemployment on Election Day, >3.0 million new jobs created July-September 2012*

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Obama/Biden 453 EV/ 58.8% PV
Perry/Christie  85 EV/ 40.6% PV

6.9% unemployment in October 2012 is not realistic.  You would need about 450,000 jobs created per month over the next year and GDP growth near 10% every quarter through the third of 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on September 05, 2011, 07:14:59 PM
A realistic Obama Morning in America 2.0 ceiling:

*6.9% Unemployment on Election Day, >3.0 million new jobs created July-September 2012*

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Obama/Biden 453 EV/ 58.8% PV
Perry/Christie  85 EV/ 40.6% PV

6.9% unemployment in October 2012 is not realistic.  You would need about 450,000 jobs created per month over the next year and GDP growth near 10% every quarter through the third of 2012.

I should have said 7.1%.  I'm looking for the outer positive edge of realistic, just like 12.1% would be the outer negative edge of realistic.  In 1983-84 there were several months of ~700K job growth and the labor force is about 1/3rd larger today than it was then.  Several months of 7 figure job growth should be possible in a 1935 or 1984 paced recovery with today's population.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on September 05, 2011, 07:33:19 PM
Here's what I think is the most likely outcome as of now:

"A burst of 350k job growth during spring-summer 2012 and not having to run against Romney saved my presidency."

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Obama/Biden 300 EV/ 50.4% PV
Perry/Christie  238 EV/ 48.7% PV

Election Day Unemployment: 8.5%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yelnoc on September 05, 2011, 08:58:18 PM
Here's what I think is the most likely outcome as of now:

"A burst of 350k job growth during spring-summer 2012 and not having to run against Romney saved my presidency."

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Obama/Biden 300 EV/ 50.4% PV
Perry/Christie  238 EV/ 48.7% PV

Election Day Unemployment: 8.5%
Do you really think that Ohio will flip before North Carolina?  And there is no way Christie will run as Perry's Veep.  He wants two terms as Governor of New Jersey so that he can run in 2016.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on September 05, 2011, 11:23:55 PM
Here's what I think is the most likely outcome as of now:

"A burst of 350k job growth during spring-summer 2012 and not having to run against Romney saved my presidency."

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Obama/Biden 300 EV/ 50.4% PV
Perry/Christie  238 EV/ 48.7% PV

Election Day Unemployment: 8.5%
Do you really think that Ohio will flip before North Carolina?  And there is no way Christie will run as Perry's Veep.  He wants two terms as Governor of New Jersey so that he can run in 2016.

I think FL and NC are the easiest Obama holds beyond the VA-CO-NV election deciding tier, so yes.  OH demographically is rapidly moving right and NC is moving exponentially left while FL is a quite stable tilt R.  Charlotte and RDU get large enough to outvote the rest of the state by 2020, and when that happens, NC turns into MD south. Unless the election somehow becomes a referendum on labor unions, I can't see OH voting left of NC and FL.  Also, don't forget about the D convention in Charlotte.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 06, 2011, 01:43:52 AM
Politico/Battleground poll:

45% Approve
50% Disapprove

49% Favorable
46% Unfavorable

Whether you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling his job as President, what is your impression of Barack Obama as a person? Do you approve or disapprove of him?

74% Approve
18% Disapprove

The POLITICO/George Washington University Battleground Poll of 1,000 likely voters was conducted between Aug. 28 and Sept. 1 by The Tarrance Group and Lake Research Partners. The nationwide telephone survey had margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM170_090611_battlegroundpoll_results.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 06, 2011, 01:47:48 AM
Washington Post poll:

43% Approve
53% Disapprove

This Washington Post-ABC News poll was conducted by telephone August 29-September 1 2011, among a random national sample of 1,001 adults, including users of both conventional and cellular phones. The results from the full survey have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points. Sampling, data collection and tabulation by Abt-SRBI of New York.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postabcpoll_090111.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 06, 2011, 07:45:25 AM
NBC News/Wall Street Journal Survey:

44% Approve
51% Disapprove

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/A_Politics/_Today_Stories_Teases/Correct_NBCWSJ_poll.pdf



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 06, 2011, 08:42:55 AM

Bloody close.  :)

A few things have to happen first.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 06, 2011, 08:50:17 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43, -1.

Disapprove 55%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -1.

We'll see if the strongly approve numbers are actual movement or a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 06, 2011, 09:00:04 AM



You aren't giving Obama enough credit.  Even in 1932, Hoover won 6 states and narrowly lost another 2.  In say a 12% unemployment scenario, the election would surely be lost, but Obama would still win at least 10-15 states in a 2 way election.  The 60% Obama 2008 states aren't flipping barring 25% local unemployment. 



Well, I'm giving Obama 7 states, plus DC and more EV than either Hoover or Carter. 

I certainly didn't expect Carter to lose NY in 1980, nor MA.  I would not have predicted either in 1979 and I still listed him as carrying both in the fall of 1980.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 06, 2011, 10:07:23 AM
This is my "The economy has improved, unemployment drops to 8%, the R nominee is Perry/-not Rubio/-Romney, and we're not in a realignment" map:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 06, 2011, 10:12:46 AM
This is my "The economy has improved, unemployment drops to 8%, the R nominee is Perry/-not Rubio/-Romney, and we're not in a realignment" map:

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New Hampshire doesn't vote for a reactionary like Perry.

And why do you refuse to color North Carolina and Florida as battleground states ?

North Carolina isn't what it once was and FL is for sure a battleground state.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on September 06, 2011, 11:01:48 AM
This is my "The economy has improved, unemployment drops to 8%, the R nominee is Perry/-not Rubio/-Romney, and we're not in a realignment" map:

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That's way too optimistic for Perry.  That looks like a Romney vs. Obama map with status quo 2011 economic conditions (i.e. a narrow Romney win).  The toss up states should be shifted one tier to the right with a year of solid jobs growth (or one tier to the left with further job losses).  Perry doesn't play well in IA/CO/NV and he would struggle to avoid being blown out 2:1 in NOVA.

Here's Obama vs. Perry with modest economic improvement:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President von Cat on September 06, 2011, 12:10:11 PM
JJ, I'm not trying to steal your thunder here:

Gallup, eh?

Approval: 43%, +1
Disapproval: 50%, u

Okay, this is starting to seem counter-intuitive. Economy creates no new jobs, stock market tanks yet disapproval declines and approval rises. Perhaps we are reverting back to where we were pre-debt ceiling crisis, as liberals "get over it" and move back to Obama? Or perhaps we're seeing a pro-recession sample of Tea Partiers who are loving that his chances of re-election are on the decline? :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 06, 2011, 01:06:52 PM
This is my "The economy has improved, unemployment drops to 8%, the R nominee is Perry/-not Rubio/-Romney, and we're not in a realignment" map:

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Recent polls in Texas show that Rick Perry is doing badly among Hispanics (largely Mexican-Americans)  in Texas -- so why should he do better with Mexican-Americans in Colorado or Nevada (or for that matter, Arizona) or with other Hispanics in Florida?

Iowa and New Hampshire are not going to vote for a reactionary who wears Protestant fundamentalism on his sleeve. Virginia may be happy with a Republican Governor who acts as a moderate... but that is not to say that a Hard Right candidate has much of a chance there. The Democrats are going to take Pennsylvania off the table with a strong GOTV campaign that gets out every D-leaning voter in greater Philly and Pittsburgh.

Ohio is Obama territory if he is able to please the auto industry and the UAW... and Indiana goes into question at that point. North Carolina has consistently shown itself a swing state since 2008. Even NE-02 depends upon how the Nebraska state legislature reconfigures the district.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 06, 2011, 01:52:44 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  43%, +1.

Disapprove:  50%, u.

We might be seeing von Kluck's turn.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 06, 2011, 01:56:59 PM
This is my "The economy has improved, unemployment drops to 8%, the R nominee is Perry/-not Rubio/-Romney, and we're not in a realignment" map:

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New Hampshire doesn't vote for a reactionary like Perry.

And why do you refuse to color North Carolina and Florida as battleground states ?

North Carolina isn't what it once was and FL is for sure a battleground state.

NH has a strong libertarian streak and Perry is more likely to appeal to that. Both NC and FL were barely carried by Obama in a year very favorable to him.  I doubt that 2012 will be that favorable.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on September 06, 2011, 02:01:28 PM
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 FL is for sure a battleground state.

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Obama carried Florida by 2.81% in 2008.

I am just abut 100% sure Florida is 2.81% less favorable to Obama today than it was in 2008.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on September 06, 2011, 02:13:50 PM

Okay, this is starting to seem counter-intuitive. Economy creates no new jobs, stock market tanks yet disapproval declines and approval tanks. Perhaps we are reverting back to where we were pre-debt ceiling crisis, as liberals "get over it" and move back to Obama? Or perhaps we're seeing a pro-recession sample of Tea Partiers who are loving that his chances of re-election are on the decline? :P


Gallup's polling methods are substantially different than those used by other pollsters, there are just simply some fundemental and structural elements in the way Gallup does things that causes their polls to be erratic, at least when viewed in the short term.

Gallup's tracking poll has a long history of wandering off on it's own (in either direction) before reverting back to the mean. - This is not a criticism of Gallup BTW, there methods have some very substantial advantages as well, unfortunately stability is not one of them.

Rasmussen, at the other extreme, is build to be very stable, it is built almost the opposite of Gallup.

I look at the current crop of polls on the RCP averages and I see on the approval side:

Politico/GWU/Battleground                45
CNN/Opinion Research                        45   
FOX News                                             44      
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl                        44   
Rasmussen Reports                              43   
Gallup                                                43   
ABC News/Wash Post                        43   
Quinnipiac                                        42   

We have, give or take a bit of random error, consensus at 43% or 44%.

If somebody very, very, very gold plated (perhaps NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl) were to show, in a series of polls, a number away from the consensus I would look at it.  But till then, it's all just random noise till proven otherwise.

As they saying goes... "One poll, is, well, one poll....."






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President von Cat on September 06, 2011, 04:02:34 PM
Right, but it seems downright WEIRD that Obama can somehow be in the mid 40s with the economy the way it is. Doesn't it?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 06, 2011, 05:13:22 PM
This is my "The economy has improved, unemployment drops to 8%, the R nominee is Perry/-not Rubio/-Romney, and we're not in a realignment" map:

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lol


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 06, 2011, 05:18:05 PM
This is my "The economy has improved, unemployment drops to 8%, the R nominee is Perry/-not Rubio/-Romney, and we're not in a realignment" map:

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lol

Well, you're right, it would probably be worse.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on September 06, 2011, 05:24:00 PM
This is my "The economy has improved, unemployment drops to 8%, the R nominee is Perry/-not Rubio/-Romney, and we're not in a realignment" map:

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lol

Well, you're right, it would probably be worse.

For the Republicans.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on September 06, 2011, 05:43:19 PM
This is my "The economy has improved, unemployment drops to 8%, the R nominee is Perry/-not Rubio/-Romney, and we're not in a realignment" map:

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Dude, if unemployment drops to 8%, with Perry as his opponent Obama will win both NC and FL. You can take that one to the bank. And NH???? Have you lost it?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 06, 2011, 05:51:45 PM
This is my "The economy has improved, unemployment drops to 8%, the R nominee is Perry/-not Rubio/-Romney, and we're not in a realignment" map:

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lol

Well, you're right, it would probably be worse.

For the Republicans.

Dave has not changed the colors.

Even with improvement, Obama has engendered people that really, really, hate him.  He's lost that group.  Right now, on Rasmussen, that group is higher than everyone who even sort of likes him.  Related to that are the people that have totally given up on him. 

(Ironically, I'm not in the group that really, really, hates him or have totally given up on him.)

That map, BTW, would still show a potential Obama victory.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on September 06, 2011, 05:54:22 PM
Right, but it seems downright WEIRD that Obama can somehow be in the mid 40s with the economy the way it is. Doesn't it?

If the election were held today, I would think Obama gets about 48-49% vs Perry and maybe 47-48% vs Romney. Electorally speaking, Obama-Perry is too close to call (Perry being the slight favorite tbh) and a slight Romney victory. Against someone like Bachmann, Obama would win even in these conditions. IIRC Bush was hanging out around 48-49% when he was re-elected. Though if it was different please feel free to correct me.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on September 06, 2011, 06:23:04 PM
Right, but it seems downright WEIRD that Obama can somehow be in the mid 40s with the economy the way it is. Doesn't it?

If the election were held today, I would think Obama gets about 48-49% vs Perry and maybe 47-48% vs Romney. Electorally speaking, Obama-Perry is too close to call (Perry being the slight favorite tbh) and a slight Romney victory. Against someone like Bachmann, Obama would win even in these conditions. IIRC Bush was hanging out around 48-49% when he was re-elected. Though if it was different please feel free to correct me.

Think you are pretty close re Bush approvals in 2004.

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FWIW, according to the 2004 exit polls, among those who actually voted, Bush had an approval rating of 51%, which is almost exactly the 50.73% of the vote he actually got on election day....

At the very depths of the Abu Garab (sp?) mess Bush had a net negative approval rating of about  negative5%, But Bush was never definitively and clearly underwater befor the 2004 election, there was a lot of statistical noise where Bush was close to being even in terms of approval and disapproval.

He was able to battle back to +2 or 3% net by election day - a net turnaround of maybe 5% or so.

By contrast, Obama's approval is clearly underwater:

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Also, A republican tends to do a little better than the adult/rv polling shows on election day, while a Democrat tends to do a little worse, so the relative gap of Obama 2011 versus Bush 2003 might be a bit bigger than it looks just using the graphs as a guide.

All this being said, the polls some 15 months out are not particularly predictive....

Its a bit interesting how volatile Obama's numbers have been.

Bush's approval ratings "crossed over" only three times (where his net approval went from positive to negative, or negative to positive)

he went (barely) negative during Abu Garab (sp?) then back to slightly positive till the election was over, the crossed back to negative and stayed there...

By contrast, Obama has "crossed over" 5 times already in under three years....

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: izixs on September 06, 2011, 06:25:14 PM
Right, but it seems downright WEIRD that Obama can somehow be in the mid 40s with the economy the way it is. Doesn't it?

Easy. The general assumption is that poor economy = hate the president. And for some people it is true, but not everyone. For some people its poor economy = hate the people that caused it. Some with very short term memories think Obama caused it. But most folks yet put the blame on Bush and the Republicans. This explains some of the feelings about congress perhaps but doesn't really apply to Obama. So for the set of folks that are not short term thinkers, the question is: Is the President doing enough to fix the economy? This is a much more mixed view. Of the people with less extremely set views on the president no matter what he does (tea party for example) there are people who are able to be convinced one way or another on how the president is doing in this department. Some of them pay a lot of attention. Others not so much. Some of them understand the complexity of the economy. Some do not. Most have inherent biases of some sort and are more easily swayed but certain arguments. And at present they're being swayed on the average towards thinking the president is either unable or unwilling to do what it takes to fix things, and thus are leaning towards disapproval. But its not a solid sell as this sup set of voters is hardly homogeneous. And as such, there is divisions here.

There is another possibility of course. That being that if the president has lost almost all the sway-able voters described above then he'd be near his base partisan limit. Basically the folks that would vote for a terrible Democrat in almost all cases because they know the Republican will always be worse for them and their interests. This kind of base solidity is not very well understood as some people claim to be persuadable but always seem to pull the lever for one party, and thus are not easily identified by polls and only sometimes by demographics (for instances, African American voters) So if this is the case, you could have 15% unemployment and the President would be maintaining 40% approval.

The question then is, what about the end of the Bush years when his approvals dropped crazy low? It might be that the Republican super base is much smaller then it likes to think itself or a very different dynamic was in play. Because Bush was not up for reelection in 2008, his base voters were liberated from having to pretend they like him. This plays well in two different directions. It allows some of them to feel good about themselves because Bush 'wasn't a real conservative'. Another direction is simply jumping on the bandwagon. The rest of the country was starting to hate him, so if one is going to keep looking like a mainstream guy, ya gotta start hating him to.

If Obama is reelected and things go much worse then they are today, it will be interesting to see how this dynamic plays out. I'd prefer of course that the economy grows strong and the yahoos who can hire start doing so again. But if disaster hits an Obama second term you might see him dip below his solid base level.

But I'm not sure what that is yet.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on September 06, 2011, 06:46:31 PM


There is another possibility of course. That being that if the president has lost almost all the sway-able voters described above then he'd be near his base partisan limit. Basically the folks that would vote for a terrible Democrat in almost all cases because they know the Republican will always be worse for them and their interests. This kind of base solidity is not very well understood as some people claim to be persuadable but always seem to pull the lever for one party, and thus are not easily identified by polls and only sometimes by demographics (for instances, African American voters) So if this is the case, you could have 15% unemployment and the President would be maintaining 40% approval.

The question then is, what about the end of the Bush years when his approvals dropped crazy low? It might be that the Republican super base is much smaller then it likes to think itself or a very different dynamic was in play. Because Bush was not up for reelection in 2008, his base voters were liberated from having to pretend they like him. This plays well in two different directions. It allows some of them to feel good about themselves because Bush 'wasn't a real conservative'. Another direction is simply jumping on the bandwagon. The rest of the country was starting to hate him, so if one is going to keep looking like a mainstream guy, ya gotta start hating him to.

If Obama is reelected and things go much worse then they are today, it will be interesting to see how this dynamic plays out. I'd prefer of course that the economy grows strong and the yahoos who can hire start doing so again. But if disaster hits an Obama second term you might see him dip below his solid base level.

But I'm not sure what that is yet.

You hit the nail on the head.

A huge chunk of voters are ideology driven, not reality driven.

When Bush Jr. turned out to be a bit of a disaster, it his base deserted him, not because conservatism was wrong, but because Bush wasn't conservative enough.... Their beliefs were correct, Bush was just an imperfect servant to their ideology.

Similarly, Obama's support to the degree they they are discontented, is again ideologically based.

Obama's own prediction for the Stimulus package was that he would keep unemployment under 8% - Despite Democratic post facto carping, the Democratic super majorities in both the House and Senate gave Obama every single penny he asked for...

So now that Unemployment is stuck above 9% when Obama's own prediction was that it would be 6.5% by now... - this is not because Obama's stimulus package was inherently flawed, it was because it was too small... (see Jack Krugman)

If only Obama octupled the size of the deficit instead of only tripling it, things would be much better...

Even in absolute utter blowout years AuH20 1964, H3 in 1972, Mondale in 1984, the losing candidate still got 40+ of the vote.

Barring a really strong 3rd party candidate, It is pretty hard to be a major party candidate and get less than 40%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 07, 2011, 08:00:07 AM

Think you are pretty close re Bush approvals in 2004.

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FWIW, according to the 2004 exit polls, among those who actually voted, Bush had an approval rating of 51%, which is almost exactly the 50.73% of the vote he actually got on election day....

I want to point out that this is almost identical to the Gallup weekly tracking poll.


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He was able to battle back to +2 or 3% net by election day - a net turnaround of maybe 5% or so.



Except for GWB, all incumbent presidents that were reelected since 1972 had less than a majority in late August the year prior to their elections.  Bush had 52%, which was about what he got.  That pattern is good news for Obama.

Along with GWB, both Truman and Eisenhower had a majority.  Truman had between 61% and 55%.  Eisenhower had 71%.

There is bad news.  Of those four presidents that were reelected, all had higher numbers in late August the year prior to their elections than Obama has.  Clinton was the closes with 44% to Obama's 40%.

I'm treating both Ford and Truman as being incumbents that were re-elected.  All of this data is from Gallup.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 07, 2011, 08:57:22 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 42, -1.

Disapprove 56%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, +1.

I'd expect a bad sample.  Strongly approve is up, while approve is tied for a record low.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 07, 2011, 12:06:28 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  42%, -1.

Disapprove:  50%, u.

And von Kluck is still sitting outside of Ameins.  :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 07, 2011, 01:59:03 PM
Ayres, McHenry & Associates (R):

47% Approve
50% Disapprove

http://www.resurgentrepublic.com/system/assets/428/original/RR_August_Toplines.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 07, 2011, 04:31:19 PM
Ayres, McHenry & Associates (R):

47% Approve
50% Disapprove

http://www.resurgentrepublic.com/system/assets/428/original/RR_August_Toplines.pdf

Am I reading the first question correctly?  Is it a poll of people answering on cell phones?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: izixs on September 07, 2011, 05:32:05 PM
Building off what I said before, I'm starting to ponder looking at state by state polling data to try to find the percentage for each party that represents the core base for each in every state. Basically by looking at the minimal support Obama gets and the minimal support any of the Republicans get in credible non-partisan-biased polls. If the hard core base is most of what's left of those that approve of Obama enough to vote for him again, then against the strongest challenger he'd have only them left over. And for the lesser known or most disliked Republican candidates or would be candidates those that would vote Republican are those that would vote against Obama under any circumstances and thus most likely to be the core Republican base.

For instance, that PPP poll of Texas in June has the limits of Obama at 40% against Paul and Republican at 43% with Cain. This would suggest a Republican edge in the base there. It does not predict how the more swingy voters would fall in the election, but can provide some information on the size of that pool. So if some how Obama gets a winning strategy to get more then half of these folks on his side, he could win Texas. Its just very unlikely.

Another example, Utah. Obama's worst is 23% vs Huntsman and the Republicans worst is 43% with Palin or Cain. Obama would have to get almost all the swingable voters to be even competitive in Utah. So even if you didn't know the electoral history of Utah previous to this election, this would suggest not to bother sending resources there.

On the dem leaning side of things, there's Vermont. The latest poll has Obama's worst against Huckabee at 53% and the Republicans worst with 26% with Cain. Barring a very radical shift in the socio-political structure of the entire country or Obama going on a murderous rampage through an orphanage, any Republican efforts to win Vermont would be pointless to the extreme as there is not enough swing voters to get to a majority.

Then there's Virginia. The latest poll (all these seem to be PPP... other pollsters need to stop being lazy!) has Obama's worst at 47% vs Romeny and the Republicans worst at 37% with Palin. This is a very good sign for Obama as despite the conservative history of Virginia, it would appear that he's near a lock for the state as he only needs a small fraction of the swing voters to nab it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on September 07, 2011, 06:23:10 PM
Ayres, McHenry & Associates (R):

47% Approve
50% Disapprove

http://www.resurgentrepublic.com/system/assets/428/original/RR_August_Toplines.pdf

Am I reading the first question correctly?  Is it a poll of people answering on cell phones?

Nope, it's a dual frame (ie cells and land lines)

Ayres, McHenry & Associates is actually a pretty solid firm.  Most of the higher ups are alumni of Public Opinion Strategies

They do things a bit different in that most dual frame samples they complete the survey if the cell phone is peoples ONLY phone , but A H & A essentially makes no distinction between cell phones and land lands, they RDD all exchanges (cell and land) without establishing a strict quota  to divide between the two types.  It's a bit cheaper to do it that way actually as well.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on September 07, 2011, 09:41:42 PM
Building off what I said before, I'm starting to ponder looking at state by state polling data to try to find the percentage for each party that represents the core base for each in every state. Basically by looking at the minimal support Obama gets and the minimal support any of the Republicans get in credible non-partisan-biased polls. If the hard core base is most of what's left of those that approve of Obama enough to vote for him again, then against the strongest challenger he'd have only them left over. And for the lesser known or most disliked Republican candidates or would be candidates those that would vote Republican are those that would vote against Obama under any circumstances and thus most likely to be the core Republican base.

For instance, that PPP poll of Texas in June has the limits of Obama at 40% against Paul and Republican at 43% with Cain. This would suggest a Republican edge in the base there. It does not predict how the more swingy voters would fall in the election, but can provide some information on the size of that pool. So if some how Obama gets a winning strategy to get more then half of these folks on his side, he could win Texas. Its just very unlikely.

Another example, Utah. Obama's worst is 23% vs Huntsman and the Republicans worst is 43% with Palin or Cain. Obama would have to get almost all the swingable voters to be even competitive in Utah. So even if you didn't know the electoral history of Utah previous to this election, this would suggest not to bother sending resources there.

On the dem leaning side of things, there's Vermont. The latest poll has Obama's worst against Huckabee at 53% and the Republicans worst with 26% with Cain. Barring a very radical shift in the socio-political structure of the entire country or Obama going on a murderous rampage through an orphanage, any Republican efforts to win Vermont would be pointless to the extreme as there is not enough swing voters to get to a majority.

Then there's Virginia. The latest poll (all these seem to be PPP... other pollsters need to stop being lazy!) has Obama's worst at 47% vs Romeny and the Republicans worst at 37% with Palin. This is a very good sign for Obama as despite the conservative history of Virginia, it would appear that he's near a lock for the state as he only needs a small fraction of the swing voters to nab it.
Its not really fair to define the Republican base by whether or not they support Palin. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: izixs on September 08, 2011, 03:16:40 AM
Its not really fair to define the Republican base by whether or not they support Palin. 

Tis not Palin specifically that's the boundary, its just Palin has the lowest support in some match ups against the president and thus provides the upper bound for the unwavering base of the Republican party. The actual core might be smaller then this as this number would include them and those who like Palin but might yet be persuaded towards Obama somehow. I'm also not saying that large sections of of the softer support would yet vote for Palin over Obama, just that those folks are unwilling to support Palin at this point. So their unwillingness to say they support Palin now labels them as being softer supporters of the Republican ticket then those who do support Palin at this time.

This thought experiment is not a hard gauge of the core support, but a best answer that we can come up with given the evidence available. You are of course free to find better evidence and argue for it. But at this point this is all I got.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 08, 2011, 08:35:50 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43, +1.

Disapprove 56%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 20%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -2.

A bad sample dropped out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 08, 2011, 12:12:05 PM
Gallup:

44% Approve (+2)
50% Disapprove (nc)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 08, 2011, 12:27:06 PM
Gallup:

44% Approve (+2)
50% Disapprove (nc)

Middle of the road Americans witnessed the celebration of violence and ignorance that was the Republican debate last night and are sprinting back to Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 08, 2011, 12:31:49 PM
Gallup:

44% Approve (+2)
50% Disapprove (nc)

Middle of the road Americans witnessed the celebration of violence and ignorance that was the Republican debate last night and are sprinting back to Obama.

How good were the TV ratings?
 
 The polling was from before the GOP debate. More likely it is the effect of the Debt Ceiling fiasco going onto the back burner.

The President gets to offer his proposals for jobs tonight... and that will get more viewers and likely have more influence upon the opinions of the electorate than will the GOP debate last night. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 08, 2011, 12:37:25 PM
Exactly 1 year ago, Obama's approval rating at Gallup was 44-48 and 41-58 at Rasmussen.

Not really any movement. I expect that his ratings go up a bit in the next week due to the speech and the 9/11 rememberings.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: krazen1211 on September 08, 2011, 12:47:05 PM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/149351/Obama-Job-Approval-Sinks-New-Lows-Among-Whites-Hispanics.aspx

Obama Approval Sinks to New Lows Among Whites, Hispanics


He also received term-low monthly job approval ratings from both Hispanics (48%) and whites (33%) and tied his lowest rating from blacks (84%).




33% among whites is McGovern territory, lol.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 08, 2011, 01:12:21 PM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/149351/Obama-Job-Approval-Sinks-New-Lows-Among-Whites-Hispanics.aspx

Obama Approval Sinks to New Lows Among Whites, Hispanics


He also received term-low monthly job approval ratings from both Hispanics (48%) and whites (33%) and tied his lowest rating from blacks (84%).




33% among whites is McGovern territory, lol.

Well it's a good thing for Republicans that the racial demographics in 2012 will be identical those in 1972.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: krazen1211 on September 08, 2011, 02:09:38 PM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/149351/Obama-Job-Approval-Sinks-New-Lows-Among-Whites-Hispanics.aspx

Obama Approval Sinks to New Lows Among Whites, Hispanics


He also received term-low monthly job approval ratings from both Hispanics (48%) and whites (33%) and tied his lowest rating from blacks (84%).




33% among whites is McGovern territory, lol.

Well it's a good thing for Republicans that the racial demographics in 2012 will be identical those in 1972.

How do you propose that any President can be elected with 33% of the white vote in 2012?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on September 08, 2011, 02:13:14 PM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/149351/Obama-Job-Approval-Sinks-New-Lows-Among-Whites-Hispanics.aspx

Obama Approval Sinks to New Lows Among Whites, Hispanics


He also received term-low monthly job approval ratings from both Hispanics (48%) and whites (33%) and tied his lowest rating from blacks (84%).




33% among whites is McGovern territory, lol.

Well it's a good thing for Republicans that the racial demographics in 2012 will be identical those in 1972.

How do you propose that any President can be elected with 33% of the white vote in 2012?

I guess it's also a good thing for Republicans that approval ratings always exactly match the percentage of the vote.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 08, 2011, 02:19:51 PM
Gallup:

44% Approve (+2)
50% Disapprove (nc)

Von Kluck has turned away from Paris and is heading for Compiègne (he might be back, however).  :)

Basically, Obama is out of his trough, though he could fall back into it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Iosif on September 08, 2011, 02:38:29 PM
Nobody cares about Von Kluck you massive weirdo.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 08, 2011, 03:26:35 PM
Gallup:

44% Approve (+2)
50% Disapprove (nc)

Back to the area at which he has a good chance of winning.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: redcommander on September 08, 2011, 05:04:59 PM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/149351/Obama-Job-Approval-Sinks-New-Lows-Among-Whites-Hispanics.aspx

Obama Approval Sinks to New Lows Among Whites, Hispanics


He also received term-low monthly job approval ratings from both Hispanics (48%) and whites (33%) and tied his lowest rating from blacks (84%).




33% among whites is McGovern territory, lol.

Well it's a good thing for Republicans that the racial demographics in 2012 will be identical those in 1972.

No, but don't exactly expect 67% of Hispanics to vote for Obama again, especially since it's almost a guarantee that either Rubio or Martinez will be the GOP VP choice. If they can get in the 40-45% range with Hispanics, the GOP could defeat Obama comfortably with the heavy level of white support they're likely to get.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ag on September 08, 2011, 05:16:30 PM
If they can get in the 40-45% range with Hispanics, the GOP could defeat Obama comfortably with the heavy level of white support they're likely to get.

If the grandma had balls, she'd be the grandpa. But she doesn't.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 08, 2011, 05:29:03 PM
Nobody cares about Von Kluck you massive weirdo.

It is an analogy.  Let me explain it to you:

Obama numbers go down.  Bad

Obama numbers go up.  Good

If you like Obama.

Von Kluck is like the bad numbers.  When some thing is like something else it is called an analogy.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 08, 2011, 05:31:47 PM
Nobody cares about Von Kluck you massive weirdo.

It is an analogy.  Let me explain it to you:

Obama numbers go down.  Bad

Obama numbers go up.  Good

If you like Obama.

Von Kluck is like the bad numbers.  When some thing is like something else it is called an analogy.

Nobody cares.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 08, 2011, 05:36:34 PM
Exactly 1 year ago, Obama's approval rating at Gallup was 44-48 and 41-58 at Rasmussen.

Not really any movement. I expect that his ratings go up a bit in the next week due to the speech and the 9/11 rememberings.

He was declining then.  

For Obama, these numbers are positive, because it might be stopping the decline (hence von Kluck's turn).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 08, 2011, 05:37:57 PM
Nobody cares about Von Kluck you massive weirdo.

It is an analogy.  Let me explain it to you:

Obama numbers go down.  Bad

Obama numbers go up.  Good

If you like Obama.

Von Kluck is like the bad numbers.  When some thing is like something else it is called an analogy.

Nobody cares.

You don't care that Obama's numbers are improving.  Okay.  ::)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on September 08, 2011, 08:11:37 PM
Obama numbers go down.  Bad

Obama numbers go up.  Good

Remarkable analysis.  I never thought of it like that before.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 08, 2011, 08:45:21 PM
Obama numbers go down.  Bad

Obama numbers go up.  Good

If you like Obama.

Remarkable analysis.  I never thought of it like that before.

You left out the key phase.

I was expecting Obama's numbers to crash at some point, but probably within the first two years of his term.  Most presidents do, if they will be re-elected.  By this point, however, they have started to improve.  Every president has rebounded from his lows, even those that got slaughtered.

Until now, Obama was not improving; he wasn't even stable.  He was just dropping.  Now, the numbers have finally started to move up.  It's not a lot, but it is the first sign.

You can use, "the wind shifted," "the tide is coming in," or "von Kluck has turned." but those are the analogy.  In this analogy, von Kluck represents the sentiment against Obama.

Von Kluck in real life, 97 years ago this week, was leading the German 1st Army against the French.  The original plan was for him to pass Paris to the north and attack it from the west.  Because of numerous factors, he got north of Paris, but turned east of Paris; the French attacked his flank and he ended up retreating.  It took the French a few days to figure out that he was turning.

Obama was (and still may be) in a trough, which his numbers declining.  That may have changed today.

If you support Obama, and you do, you want von Kluck to turn this soon.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on September 08, 2011, 09:30:51 PM
With his numbers, his obsessions, and his bizarre little rituals...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: krazen1211 on September 08, 2011, 09:41:27 PM
PPP

Obama trails Palin by 14 with independents in North Carolina, that's when you know you're having a bad month.
8 hours ago


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 08, 2011, 09:51:41 PM
PPP

Obama trails Palin by 14 with independents in North Carolina, that's when you know you're having a bad month.
8 hours ago

Do you have a link?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Professor on September 08, 2011, 10:55:00 PM
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Iosif on September 08, 2011, 11:51:17 PM
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 09, 2011, 01:13:05 AM
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 09, 2011, 08:36:51 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 42, -1.

Disapprove 56%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 19%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.

Pre-speech numbers, obviously.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: krazen1211 on September 09, 2011, 12:08:03 PM
PPP

Obama trails Palin by 14 with independents in North Carolina, that's when you know you're having a bad month.
8 hours ago

Do you have a link?

http://twitter.com/#!/ppppolls

Electability argument on its head at least in one state: Perry fav with NC independents is 44/34, Romney's is 35/50

Romney favorability with North Carolina Republicans: 39/40. His negatives with party base really seem to be on the rise.



Perry should be a better candidate in North Carolina.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 09, 2011, 12:31:56 PM
North Carolina Independents are very GOP-leaning anyway. McCain won them 60-39.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 09, 2011, 02:03:22 PM
North Carolina Survey Results

Quote
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 43%
Disapprove...................................................... 53%
Not sure .......................................................... 4%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Michele Bachmann, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 47%
Michele Bachmann ......................................... 45%
Undecided....................................................... 8%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 48%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 43%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Sarah Palin, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 49%
Sarah Palin ..................................................... 42%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Rick
Perry, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 46%
Rick Perry ....................................................... 46%
Undecided....................................................... 8%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 45%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 44%
Undecided....................................................... 11%


Poor approval rating, but President Obama apparently beats everyone but Perry (whom he ties) this time.  Note that this comes before the "Ponzi scheme" description of Social Security. This model does not allow me to anticipate the consequences of a sudden incidence of "foot-in-the-mouth disease".

I am showing the results of a poll for Alabama (it is a favorability and not an approval poll that shows favorability in the high 30s.. I doubt that anyone will call me on my estimate that favorability in such an incidence is close enough to approval in this zone.  President Obama loses to every Republican shown, and I doubt that anyone would have a problem with a guess that the Obama vote in Alabama  will be effectively the percentage of the  African-American vote. Bachmann isn't included.  President Obama would lose the state by roughly 20% to either Perry or Romney, which suggests an approval rating at or below 40%.  Alabama will go to the President only in a 45-state landslide.






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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  63
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    80
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 89
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  63
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  73
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  41
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   26





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Here's the rationale:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html

...and I am less charitable to an incumbent President than is Nate Silver.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  54
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    104
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 102
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  18
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  49
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but  Romney 24
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  41
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 101
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  9
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  35  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 09, 2011, 02:42:05 PM


http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  43%, -1.

Disapprove:  49%, -1.

These numbers are now showing a very good trend for Obama.  He is off his low.  It is possible that he'll sag at a later point, but if the numbers hold through Sunday, he has recovered.  (Paris doesn't fall.)



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Politico on September 09, 2011, 06:05:26 PM
PPP

Obama trails Palin by 14 with independents in North Carolina, that's when you know you're having a bad month.
8 hours ago

Do you have a link?

http://twitter.com/#!/ppppolls

Electability argument on its head at least in one state: Perry fav with NC independents is 44/34, Romney's is 35/50

Romney favorability with North Carolina Republicans: 39/40. His negatives with party base really seem to be on the rise.



Perry should be a better candidate in North Carolina.

Stick that dumbass Perry on the bottom of the ticket and hope he never becomes president. Problem solved.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 09, 2011, 10:13:15 PM
PPP

Obama trails Palin by 14 with independents in North Carolina, that's when you know you're having a bad month.
8 hours ago

Do you have a link?

http://twitter.com/#!/ppppolls

Electability argument on its head at least in one state: Perry fav with NC independents is 44/34, Romney's is 35/50

Romney favorability with North Carolina Republicans: 39/40. His negatives with party base really seem to be on the rise.



Perry should be a better candidate in North Carolina.

Stick that dumbass Perry in a roadside gas station and hope he never becomes president. Problem solved.

Fixed.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 10, 2011, 09:55:31 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 42, u.

Disapprove 55%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 20%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 11, 2011, 09:19:46 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 42, u.

Disapprove 55%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 11, 2011, 12:53:51 PM
Gallup:

42-48 (-1, nc)

No speech bump so far.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 11, 2011, 03:09:41 PM
Gallup:

42-48 (-1, nc)

No speech bump so far.

But they have turned off the lows.  Obama might slump again, but, for now, he's improving.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 12, 2011, 11:53:52 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, +2.

Disapprove 55%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.

Possibly some movement toward Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Modernity has failed us on September 12, 2011, 05:30:54 PM
J.J., I wanted to congratulate you on your assignment "A Typical Day In My Life". I think you did a superb job with it. So good that I think I'll share it with everyone else.

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Wait hold on I'm still laughing at this.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 13, 2011, 07:56:50 AM
PPP:

43% Approve
53% Disapprove

Public Policy Polling, 1000 Registered Voters, MoE 3.1%, September 8, 2011 - September 11, 2011.

http://dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/9/8


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 13, 2011, 08:34:39 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, +1.

Disapprove 54%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.

Possibly some movement toward Obama, again.  Either that or statistical noise. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on September 13, 2011, 09:01:26 PM
The PPP and Rasmussen Polls are very close.

Something's wrong.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 14, 2011, 05:56:33 AM
California (Field):

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 14, 2011, 07:24:04 AM
Bloomberg/Selzer:

45% Approve
49% Disapprove

http://media.bloomberg.com/bb/avfile/rcBTdobXyUWg

CNN/ORC:

43% Approve
55% Disapprove

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/13/cnn-poll-president-gets-no-bounce-from-speech-but-disapproval-rating-peaks


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 14, 2011, 07:25:27 AM

Those CA numbers are starting to be brutal.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 14, 2011, 07:36:53 AM
Those CA numbers are starting to be brutal.

I guess many California Democrats are disapproving right now because they think Obama is not liberal enough. But during the 2012 campaign this will change and they will never vote for someone like Rick Perry.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 14, 2011, 07:56:55 AM
Those CA numbers are starting to be brutal.

I guess many California Democrats are disapproving right now because they think Obama is not liberal enough. But during the 2012 campaign this will change and they will never vote for someone like Rick Perry.

I think it is the unemployment rate, which is 12%.  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/19/california-unemployment-rate-july-2011_n_931989.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 14, 2011, 08:45:22 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, u.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -2.

Either a bad sample or Obama is improving.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 14, 2011, 09:39:23 AM
The 'bots did a head to head:

40%  Obama
43%  Romney

http://www.care2.com/causes/obama-leads-trails-in-new-polls.html

Obama vs. Perry to be out Friday. 



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Marston on September 14, 2011, 11:03:57 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, u.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -2.

Either a bad sample or Obama is improving.

Could be the fact that he's finally wandered onto the right subject: jobs.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 14, 2011, 12:23:33 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, u.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -2.

Either a bad sample or Obama is improving.

Could be the fact that he's finally wandered onto the right subject: jobs.

Or a bad sample.  We should know by Friday.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on September 14, 2011, 04:22:27 PM
Rasmussen has blipped up a couple points, Gallup has blipped down a couple points.

Everybody and their dog who who has done a poll recently has Obama between 42 and 45%, excepting the Internet folks (Planet Z, YouGov, etc) and Gallup which seems to be centered a couple points below the consensus average.

It's pretty easy to get fixated on the noise, but remembered the 19 out of 20 thing..

You expect one or two blips a month from a daily tracking poll :)

Obama is in the mid to upper part of the 40% to 45% band..... there is a bit of noise centered around this band...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on September 14, 2011, 05:00:33 PM

Could be the fact that he's finally wandered onto the right subject: jobs.

And only 970 days into his presidency.....  The chap is a quick learner, I'll give him that.. :)



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 15, 2011, 08:45:32 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46, +1.

Disapprove 53%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 15, 2011, 11:58:48 AM
The strongly numbers are 23-40, not 23-44.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 15, 2011, 01:44:20 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46, +1.

Disapprove 53%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +4.

There probably is a bad sample in there because of the jump up in the strongly disapproved number.  It will probably drop out tomorrow.


The strongly numbers are 23-40, not 23-44.

That is a big gain from the recent nadir.  No conclusions, though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 15, 2011, 02:13:07 PM
Gallup is going in the opposite direction once again:

39-53 today


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 15, 2011, 02:27:18 PM
The strongly numbers are 23-40, not 23-44.

It showed up as a 23-43, a +4 gain, though, as noted, it looked like a bad sample.  It might have been wrong data entered, but it's now showing 40%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 15, 2011, 06:14:44 PM
Missouri, PPP:

Quote
Missouri Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 43%
Disapprove...................................................... 53%
Not sure .......................................................... 4%
Q6 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Michele Bachmann, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 47%
Michele Bachmann ......................................... 43%
Undecided....................................................... 10%

Q7 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 47%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 45%
Undecided....................................................... 8%

Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Rick
Perry, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 45%
Rick Perry ....................................................... 47%
Undecided....................................................... 8%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 43%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 47%
Undecided....................................................... 10%


Quote
Q10 Who did you vote for President in 2008?
John McCain................................................... 48%
Barack Obama................................................ 45%
Someone else/Don't remember ...................... 7%

The sample voted more R than the state as a whole did in 2008, so it is good news for the President. 

Virginia, not so great...

Quote
Voters in Virginia, a key state in President Obama's 2008 winning coalition, disapprove 54 - 40 percent of the job he is doing, down from a 48 - 48 percent split in a June 30 survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University. Obama does not deserve four more years, voters say 51 - 41 percent.

.....

In possible 2012 matchups, Obama has 44 percent to Perry's 42 percent, while Romney gets 44 percent to Obama's 42 percent, all too close to call. Obama does much better against two other Republicans, besting Bachmann 48 - 37 percent and Palin 50 - 35 percent.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x5822.xml?ReleaseID=1644

I am not showing it, but any indication that President Obama would lose the youth vote in 2012 doesn't show here.

It is two different pollsters, but Romney wins Virginia but Perry loses it, and Perry wins North Carolina but Romney loses it.  The Republican nominee needs to win both Virginia and North Carolina to have a real chance of winning the Presidency.





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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  63
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    80
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 76
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  63
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  73
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  54
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   26





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Here's the rationale:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html

...and I am less charitable to an incumbent President than is Nate Silver.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  54
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    104
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 89
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  18
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  49
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but one to whom he loses 37
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  41
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 101
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  9
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  35  



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Jackson on September 15, 2011, 11:51:30 PM
You know, there comes a time when a graphic conveys too much information to be legible. You have reached that point.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 16, 2011, 08:53:29 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46, u.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +1.

A slight improvement over the last week.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 16, 2011, 12:28:03 PM
Gallup:

Approve: 39, u

Disapprove:  52, -1

I kind of think it is a bad sample.  We should know by Sunday.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on September 16, 2011, 12:45:53 PM
Gallup:

Approve: 39, u

Disapprove:  52, -1

I kind of think it is a bad sample.  We should know by Sunday.

Where's the "meh"?  ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 16, 2011, 12:47:03 PM
You know, there comes a time when a graphic conveys too much information to be legible. You have reached that point.

Here's one alternative of my creation, and you will see that it shows little less (useful and current) information with much less garishness. It doesn't show approvals, though, but I can;t be sure that approval means the same thing to every pollster.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=140886.0

Oh -- www.electoralvote.com has just been restarted, and its operator is far more adept than I am at showing what I have been showing. I don't expect to compete with that site, which is my inspiration, here once its operator gets active.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 16, 2011, 04:02:43 PM
Gallup:

Approve: 39, u

Disapprove:  52, -1

I kind of think it is a bad sample.  We should know by Sunday.

Where's the "meh"?  ;)

I forgot, but since I said it was a bad sample .....  :)

Gallup only serves one purpose, historical comparisons.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 17, 2011, 08:42:03 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, -1.

Disapprove 55%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +2.

One thing to note is that Obama has improved slightly on "strongly approved" in the last week.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 17, 2011, 02:59:20 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  39%, u.

Disapprove:  53%, +1.

Either a bad sample size, or Obama is back in the trough.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 18, 2011, 08:48:25 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, u.

Disapprove 55%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.

I'll be unavailable after mid week, if someone wants to do this.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 18, 2011, 02:13:34 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  40%, +1.

Disapprove:  53%, +1.

Well, he's not slipping.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 19, 2011, 08:38:22 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, u.

Disapprove 54%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.

I'll be unavailable after mid week, if someone wants to do this.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 20, 2011, 01:01:33 AM

Magellan (R), PA -- 44/47 approval, but the President has huge margins awaiting him over both Perry and Romney.  Clearly up from a recent nadir.

http://www.magellanstrategies.com/web/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Magellan-Pennsylvania-2012-General-Election-Survey-Release-0919111.pdf

WA, Strategies 360 (new)

Quote
More than a year out from the 2012 election, the poll shows Obama beating Perry, the Texas governor, 51-37. Against Romney, a former Massachusetts governor, Obama is up 49-40.

The president captured almost 58 percent of the Washington vote in 2008.

49 percent said they approve of the job Obama is doing as president.

I am guessing that that is a tie.

CT, Quinnipiac, 48-48, but President Obama trounces both Perry and Romney

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1296.xml?ReleaseID=1646

Again, this is at a nadir, but Republicans seem not to be taking effective advantage of the low approval rating of the President.





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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  56
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    74
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 95
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  83
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  53
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  54
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   26





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Here's the rationale:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html

...and I am less charitable to an incumbent President than is Nate Silver.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  54
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    92
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 101
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  18
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  49
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but one to whom he loses 37
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  41
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 101
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  9
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  35  




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 20, 2011, 02:29:38 AM
Nevada (Public Opinion Strategies):

42% Approve
55% Disapprove

The poll of 500 likely voters was conducted Sept. 14-15 by Public Opinion Strategies. The Retail Association of Nevada, a conservative business and lobbying group active in Carson City, has commissioned five polls, approximately every six months. The poll has a margin of error of 4.38 percentage points.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/sep/20/poll-nevada-voters-prefer-higher-taxes-spending-cu/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 20, 2011, 03:23:05 AM
PPP/DailyKos/SEIU weekly poll:

Do you approve or disapprove of Barack Obama’s job performance?

42% Approve
53% Disapprove

Generally speaking if there was an election today would you vote to reelect Barack Obama, or would you vote for his Republican opponent?

45% Obama
46% Republican

Are you very excited, somewhat excited, or not at all excited about voting in the 2012 elections?

50% Very excited (54% D, 53% R, 40% I)
27% Somewhat excited (26% D, 27% R, 26% I)
23% Not at all excited (20% D, 20% R, 33% I)

Do you support or oppose requiring girls entering the 6th grade to be vaccinated against the human papilloma virus, also known as HPV?

22% Support (27% D, 17% R, 21% I)
57% Oppose (51% D, 64% R, 56% I)

...

Public Policy Polling, 1000 Registered Voters, MoE 3.1%, September 15, 2011 - September 18, 2011.

http://dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/9/15


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 20, 2011, 05:28:06 AM
New York (Quinnipiac):

Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling his job as President?

50-45

Do you approve or disapprove of the way Andrew Cuomo is handling his job as Governor?

66-17

Do you approve or disapprove of the way Charles Schumer is handling his job as United States Senator?

59-31

Do you approve or disapprove of the way Kirsten Gillibrand is handling her job as United States Senator?

52-23

...

From September 13 - 18, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,016 registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 3.1 percentage points. Live interviewers call land lines and cell phones.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1647


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 20, 2011, 05:37:18 AM
WA, Strategies 360 (new)

Quote
More than a year out from the 2012 election, the poll shows Obama beating Perry, the Texas governor, 51-37. Against Romney, a former Massachusetts governor, Obama is up 49-40.

The president captured almost 58 percent of the Washington vote in 2008.

49 percent said they approve of the job Obama is doing as president.

I am guessing that that is a tie.

It's actually 49% approve, 48% disapprove - so you can colour it like Oregon.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/files/2011/09/11-003-Washington-State-Poll-Crosstabs.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 20, 2011, 08:38:38 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46, +1.

Disapprove 52%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.

I'll be unavailable after today.  Somebody else please get these numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 20, 2011, 09:12:34 AM
South Carolina (Winthrop University):

40% Approve
51% Disapprove

The results of the latest Winthrop Poll taken between September 11-18, 2011 are in. The poll interviewed 1552 registered voters from South Carolina. Results which use all respondents have a margin of error of +/- 2.49% at the 95% confidence level.

http://www.winthrop.edu/winthroppoll/default.aspx?id=9804&ekmensel=fee512e3_566_0_9804_3


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 20, 2011, 11:48:43 AM
New York (Quinnipiac):


Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling his job as President?

50-45

...

From September 13 - 18, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,016 registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 3.1 percentage points. Live interviewers call land lines and cell phones.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1647


Unambiguous improvement from last time.

South Carolina (Winthrop University):

40% Approve
51% Disapprove

The results of the latest Winthrop Poll taken between September 11-18, 2011 are in. The poll interviewed 1552 registered voters from South Carolina. Results which use all respondents have a margin of error of +/- 2.49% at the 95% confidence level.

http://www.winthrop.edu/winthroppoll/default.aspx?id=9804&ekmensel=fee512e3_566_0_9804_3

Simple update; otherwise no change. It's remarkable that 29% of Republican leaners and firm Republicans believe that the President is a Muslim, and that 36% of such people believe that the President was "definitely" or "probably" born in another country. 

Nevada (Public Opinion Strategies):

42% Approve
55% Disapprove

The poll of 500 likely voters was conducted Sept. 14-15 by Public Opinion Strategies. The Retail Association of Nevada, a conservative business and lobbying group active in Carson City, has commissioned five polls, approximately every six months. The poll has a margin of error of 4.38 percentage points.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/sep/20/poll-nevada-voters-prefer-higher-taxes-spending-cu/

NOT USABLE -- commissioned by a trade association (retailers).


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  56
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    103
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 66
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  83
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  53
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  54
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   26





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Here's the rationale:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html

...and I am less charitable to an incumbent President than is Nate Silver.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  54
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    121
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 72
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  18
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  49
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but one to whom he loses 37
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  41
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 101
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  9
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  35  





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 20, 2011, 12:29:53 PM
Texas - PPP:

Do you approve or disapprove of President Barack Obama’s job performance?

Approve .......................................................... 40%
Disapprove...................................................... 55%

Do you approve or disapprove of Governor Rick Perry’s job performance?

Approve .......................................................... 45%
Disapprove...................................................... 48%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_TX_09201118.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 20, 2011, 01:32:03 PM
Texas - PPP:

Do you approve or disapprove of President Barack Obama’s job performance?

Approve .......................................................... 40%
Disapprove...................................................... 55%

Do you approve or disapprove of Governor Rick Perry’s job performance?

Approve .......................................................... 45%
Disapprove...................................................... 48%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_TX_09201118.pdf

Significantly this sample suggests an 8% split between McCain and Obama supporters, which is less than what happened in 2012.  President Obama loses to both Perry and Romney by single digits  and actually defeats (barely) Bachmann and Gingrich.


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  56
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    103
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 66
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  83
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  15
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  92
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   26





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Here's the rationale:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html

...and I am less charitable to an incumbent President than is Nate Silver.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  54
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    121
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 72
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  18
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  49
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but one to whom he loses 37
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  41
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 101
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  9
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  35  






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 20, 2011, 07:17:35 PM
President Obama will not do well in the Ozarks and Appalachians.

ARKANSAS

Q: Do you approve or disapprove of the job President Barack Obama is doing?

31.5%     Approve
63.5%     Disapprove
5%          Don't know

http://www.talkbusiness.net/article/ARKANSANS-RATE-OBAMA-JOB-PERFORMANCE-2-TO-1-NEGATIVE/2503/

Polling is conducted by one of the most right-wing colleges in America... but even given much leeway, President Obama has to be doing worse in Arkansas than almost anywhere else.

PPP, West Virginia:

Quote
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?

Approve .......................................................... 32%
Disapprove...................................................... 62%
Not sure .......................................................... 6%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/09/obama-down-12-to-romney-11-to-perry-in-west-virginia.html

Quote
-There is actually someone people in West Virginia like even less than Barack Obama- former Massey Energy CEO Don Blankenship.  Only 13% of voters in the state have a positive opinion of him to 44% with an unfavorable one, giving him a net review of -31.  That's just slightly worse than Obama's -30 approval rating at 32/62.  Democrats certainly dislike Blankenship the most, rating him 8/57, but Republicans (19/26) and independents (19/37) don't think much of him either.


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Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% disapproval); 90% red if >70%
40-42% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
43% to 45% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
46-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)
<50%  Approval greater: 20% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green


Months (All polls are from 2011):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll

Or here:

MY CURRENT PREDICTION OF THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

(before any campaigning begins in earnest):

assuming no significant changes before early 2012 -- snicker, snicker!

(
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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  56
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    103
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 66
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  83
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  15
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  92
deep blue                 Republican over 10%   32





44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 45%, 5% at 46% or 47%, 4% between 48% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages but not enough to rescue an unqualified failure.

Here's the rationale:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule.html

...and I am less charitable to an incumbent President than is Nate Silver.


But --

I have added a yellow category for states in which President Obama defeats all recognized major GOP nominees (so far Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, Palin, and where available, Thune, Daniels, Christie, and Pawlenty). This will be a yellow category supplanting those in pale blue or and white.

I am also adding a green category for those states that would otherwise be in white, pale pink, or pale blue This can be rescinded as one of the potential nominees drops out formally or is rendered irrelevant in primaries. I am also adding a deep green color for states in which  only the 'right' nominee has a chance. So far I will label that as "H" for Huckabee or else Obama, "R" for Romney or else Obama, or other initials as appropriate for  anyone else (Gingrich? Daniels? Thune?) should such cases emerge. A tan color is used for a tie.


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deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  54
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin    121
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 72
white                        too close to call (margin 1% or less)  18
yellow                        close, but Obama wins against any major Republican candidate  49
orange                        close, but Obama loses against any major Republican candidate  3
Obama wins against all but one to whom he loses 37
Obama ties one candidate, but defeats everyone else  41
close, but Obama wins against someone other than Romney 101
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  12
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  9
deep blue                 Republican over 10%  42  






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on September 20, 2011, 07:21:21 PM
Do you support or oppose requiring girls entering the 6th grade to be vaccinated against the human papilloma virus, also known as HPV?

22% Support (27% D, 17% R, 21% I)
57% Oppose (51% D, 64% R, 56% I)

I am astonished the opposition figure is so high, even among Democrats and Independents.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: sentinel on September 20, 2011, 08:36:03 PM
Do you support or oppose requiring girls entering the 6th grade to be vaccinated against the human papilloma virus, also known as HPV?

22% Support (27% D, 17% R, 21% I)
57% Oppose (51% D, 64% R, 56% I)

I am astonished the opposition figure is so high, even among Democrats and Independents.

I think if you changed the question a little you would see the figures flip.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 20, 2011, 08:39:12 PM
Do you support or oppose requiring girls entering the 6th grade to be vaccinated against the human papilloma virus, also known as HPV?

22% Support (27% D, 17% R, 21% I)
57% Oppose (51% D, 64% R, 56% I)

I am astonished the opposition figure is so high, even among Democrats and Independents.

I think if you changed the question a little you would see the figures flip.

Indeed. The implication of the question is mandatory, no opt-outs. Even I would disapprove.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Smid on September 20, 2011, 08:53:40 PM
Do you support or oppose requiring girls entering the 6th grade to be vaccinated against the human papilloma virus, also known as HPV?

22% Support (27% D, 17% R, 21% I)
57% Oppose (51% D, 64% R, 56% I)

I am astonished the opposition figure is so high, even among Democrats and Independents.

I think if you changed the question a little you would see the figures flip.

Indeed. The implication of the question is mandatory, no opt-outs. Even I would disapprove.

Well that's a bit more of a reasonable explanation of the figures, then, I guess. I certainly hope that a re-wording would result in an entirely different set of figures.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on September 20, 2011, 08:57:31 PM
Do you support a vaccination program to aid in a reduction of the risk of cervical cancer?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on September 20, 2011, 09:12:37 PM
Do you support a vaccination program to aid in a reduction of the risk of cervical cancer?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 21, 2011, 12:51:19 PM
POS/Crossroads GPS (R):

43% Approve
53% Disapprove

Public Opinion Strategies completed a national survey on September 17-19, 2011 among 800
likely voters, including 120 who have cell phones only. Crossroads GPS bought some questions
on the survey, which has a margin of error of +3.46% in 95 out of 100 cases.

http://pos.org/documents/crossroads_gps_sept_2011_memo.pdf

Rasmussen is still 46-52 today, while Gallup is 42-49.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on September 21, 2011, 07:56:39 PM
POS/Crossroads GPS (R):

43% Approve
53% Disapprove

Public Opinion Strategies completed a national survey on September 17-19, 2011 among 800
likely voters, including 120 who have cell phones only. Crossroads GPS bought some questions
on the survey, which has a margin of error of +3.46% in 95 out of 100 cases.

http://pos.org/documents/crossroads_gps_sept_2011_memo.pdf

Rasmussen is still 46-52 today, while Gallup is 42-49.

POS is a very good pollster, arguably the very best.  Most know them as 50% of the WSJ/NBC poll they do in conjunction the Peter Hart (D) of Hart Garin Yang.

POS is just about the only firm that was in the game in the Nevada Senate race last year showing Reid with a 5% lead.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 23, 2011, 08:42:57 AM
Rasmussen is still 46-52 today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on September 23, 2011, 10:08:06 AM
Do you support a vaccination program to aid in a reduction of the risk of cervical cancer?

Sure, but it isn't Garasil. Merck aspired to develop a HPV vaccine. They failed. There were so many strains [19 I think] that they couldn't vaccinate against all of them. Instead of admitting failure they brought Gardasil to the FDA for approval.

What they brought to the FDA only vaccinated against four of the strains, only two being carcinogenic. Over time, the vaccine won't reduce the rate of HPV infection, only pick winners and losing among the various strains. The FDA dropped the ball in not demanding that Merck remove the vaccine against the two benign strains. Merck wanted the bulletpoint that Gardisal protects against 70% of the current rate of genital wart infection, even if meant more cervical cancer as a result.

Even better would have been the FDA insisting all carcinogenic strains be included before approval.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on September 24, 2011, 09:40:18 AM
Rasmussen

Strong approval 21% [-1]
Strong disapproval 42% [+4]

Overall approval     44%
Overall disapproval 54%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 26, 2011, 02:13:36 AM
Rasmussen: 44-54 [nc, nc]

Gallup: 42-50 [+3, -3]


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 26, 2011, 01:28:52 PM
VA (Roanoke College):

39-54

http://roanoke.edu/News_and_Events/Campus_News/RC_Poll_Sept_2011.htm

NC (High Point University):

41-53

http://acme.highpoint.edu/~mkifer/src/9memo.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 26, 2011, 01:38:11 PM
SurveyUSA September Polls:

California: 43-52

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c717d146-99e7-4de8-8217-9fb792fc2fb8

Kansas: 37-61

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=c9cb9d95-0451-467c-8613-efb0bf5d4a7e

Oregon: 47-51

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=87dabdb7-5435-402e-891e-11b3bf475127

No Washington data so far.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 26, 2011, 01:40:59 PM
Damn, lots of polls today ... ;)

California (PPIC):

Adults: 51-43
RV: 48-47
LV: 47-50

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/other/APR_Obama0911.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on September 26, 2011, 06:41:22 PM
Ouch on those California numbers. PPIC is pretty well respected, though I forget how they did in 2010.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on September 26, 2011, 09:54:27 PM
pbrower needs to include those polls in his inaccurate map.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 26, 2011, 10:57:10 PM
I am no longer updating this map. I have a new one on margins between the President and his two most likely challengers (Perry and Romney). Of you look at those two maps you will see far less gobbledygook with no loss of relevance. 

I am no longer satisfied that approval ratings are meaningful between pollsters; some pollsters are more effective effective at eliciting an opinion out of people than are others. If the President gets a 42% approval rating in one state from one pollster and leads both Perry and Romney and another pollster shows a 47% approval for the President and leads over both main candidates, then does one have a different idea of how well the President is doing?  I think not.

The rules may have changed for the 2012 election in one respect: that people might be dissatisfied with the performance of the President for inability to get legislation passed and for overall economic failure -- yet give more culpability to Republican politicians, some of whom (let alone their groupies) have done some very offensive stuff.   All Presidential elections have some unique features, but this one shapes itself as one of the most freakish in American history.

Furthermore I am no longer satisfied that a lead of President Obama over someone like Gingrich, Bachmann, or Palin means anything anymore any more than a lead of John McCain over John Edwards was relevant at a certain point. Gingrich, Palin, and Bachmann had their chances and have blown them.   

Besides, the webmaster of www.electoral-vote.com (http://www.electoral-vote.com) has shown an intention to restart his website for the 2012 election.  No way can I approach his resources.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Republic on September 26, 2011, 10:58:46 PM

Thank.  Smurf.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on September 26, 2011, 11:59:14 PM
Do you support or oppose requiring girls entering the 6th grade to be vaccinated against the human papilloma virus, also known as HPV?

22% Support (27% D, 17% R, 21% I)
57% Oppose (51% D, 64% R, 56% I)

I am astonished the opposition figure is so high, even among Democrats and Independents.

I think if you changed the question a little you would see the figures flip.

Indeed. The implication of the question is mandatory, no opt-outs. Even I would disapprove.

Well that's a bit more of a reasonable explanation of the figures, then, I guess. I certainly hope that a re-wording would result in an entirely different set of figures.

How about, "Do you support, or oppose, mandating vaccinating girls entering the 6th grade against some, but not all, of the strains of HPV?"


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 27, 2011, 08:45:51 AM
Rasmussen: (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

45% Approve [+1]
53% Disapprove [-1]

PPP/DailyKos/SEIU weekly poll: (http://dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/9/22)

42% Approve [nc]
54% Disapprove [+1]


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 29, 2011, 08:58:52 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, -1.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.

Not much change.  I'm back from an undisclosed location, with palm trees.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on September 29, 2011, 02:19:21 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, -1.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.

Not much change.  I'm back from an undisclosed location, with palm trees.

Welcome back...

Palm trees... hmmmm.....

Gallup back to 39+ / 51-

RCP average steady as a rock at 43/51 or so.

Some movement beneath the top lines.

Obama is somewhat firming up his base, the most liberal parts of the Dem coalition are starting to get back in line, which is masking a continued erosion among independents if you look simply at the top line numbers.  This is why Rasmussen is going in the wrong direction as everybody else because his hard weighs trail reality by an average of 45 days.

Obama's "favorability" (as opposed to job approval) is eroding fairly badly, which is not a good sign for him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 29, 2011, 04:30:38 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, -1.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.

Not much change.  I'm back from an undisclosed location, with palm trees.

Welcome back...

Palm trees... hmmmm.....

Gallup back to 39+ / 51-

RCP average steady as a rock at 43/51 or so.

Some movement beneath the top lines.

Obama is somewhat firming up his base, the most liberal parts of the Dem coalition are starting to get back in line, which is masking a continued erosion among independents if you look simply at the top line numbers.  This is why Rasmussen is going in the wrong direction as everybody else because his hard weighs trail reality by an average of 45 days.

Obama's "favorability" (as opposed to job approval) is eroding fairly badly, which is not a good sign for him.

Hispanics are at 51 but yes, independents are way down.

Yes, palm trees, high humidity, thunderstorms, and lizards.  West coast of Florida.  You should be able to guess the hotel where I was staying.  I'll have to post a photo.  :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 29, 2011, 05:46:06 PM
Quote
Florida Survey Results
Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 46%
Disapprove...................................................... 51%
Not sure .......................................................... 3%

President Obama can win Florida's 29 electoral votes -- see below to see what the "add 6%" rule applies for an incumbent President. In view of some of the abysmal ratings of approval of the President in Florida in recent weeks, this could signal a huge improvement in the prospects of the re-election of the President. The President apparently doesn't need Florida to win, but any Republican nominee absolutely must win Florida to become President.

Quote
Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Ron
Paul, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 45%
Ron Paul ......................................................... 44%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

Ron Paul is not going to win the Republican nomination. Pure libertarians may be becoming more popular than the corporatist/fundamentalist coalition even if they have yet to consolidate the power of fundraising.

Quote
Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Rick
Perry, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 50%
Rick Perry ....................................................... 43%
Undecided....................................................... 8%

This is almost the margin by which President Obama won Colorado in 2008. Such suggests a 53-46 split of the national popular vote with the President winning about 400 electoral votes. 

Quote
Q12 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 46%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 45%
Undecided....................................................... 9%

Virtual tie.

Quote
Q13 Do you agree or disagree with the following
statement: “Social Security is a Ponzi
Scheme.”
Agree .............................................................. 25%
Disagree ......................................................... 63%
Not sure .......................................................... 12%

Perry should never gave brought up that canard. It is clearly a losing proposition in Florida, a state that a Republican nominee absolutely dares not lose.

Quote
Q14 Who did you vote for President in 2008?
John McCain................................................... 45%
Barack Obama................................................ 48%
Someone else/Don't remember ...................... 7%

The polled electorate looks much like that of 2008 in composition.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_FL_0929925.pdf

I have a pair of simpler and more legible maps in the "margins" thread.

By the way,


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, -1.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.


The PPP poll for Florida is remarkably consistent with the Rasmussen nationwide poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on September 29, 2011, 07:00:58 PM
Here are my current margins for polls beginning August 24 or so. Only the latest poll counts -- and no internal polls or polls commissioned by ethnic advocacy groups (example: NAACP, but they don't commission polls), labor unions, or trade associations.

An Obama lead is in red, a lead for the Republican (for now only Perry and Romney) will appear in blue, and a tie in white. These maps show the margins as

under 1% white
1-2% shade 20%
3-4% shade 30%
5-7% shade 40%
8-9% shade 60%
10% or greater shade 80%

Above 10% the distinctions are effectively moot in a winner-take-all statewide election.

 
Obama vs. Perry

(
)

Obama vs. Romney

(
)

With guesses based on prior voting behavior of states (orange for President Obama, green for the Republican)

under 1% white
1-2% shade 20%
3-4% shade 30%
5-7% shade 40%
8-9% shade 60%
10% or greater shade 80%


anything 5% or higher will be shown with a shade of 50% in part because I  have at most a guess and because anything higher than 50% saturation looks bad on the map.

Obama vs. Perry

(
)

*ME districts should be shaded in dark orange and NE-02 in pale orange.




Obama vs. Romney

(
)

* ME districts should appear in dark orange.

...Don't expect to see more of the bottom two maps.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on September 29, 2011, 07:12:35 PM
For Fox News

http://www.foxnews.com/interactive/politics/2011/09/29/fox-news-poll-obamas-job-performance-if-were-ceo/

Bipartisan poll conducted by:
Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R)


The poll is based on live telephone interviews with a national sample of 925
registered voters, and was conducted September 25-27, 2011 in the evenings.

Democrats (n = 382)
Republicans (n = 338)
Independents (n = 189)

Job Approval = 43+ / 51- (-8 net)  -1 / +4 from previous poll

Independants 31%+ / 55%- (-24% net)

Imagine for a moment that instead of being president of the United States for the past few years that Barack Obama had been the president of a major U.S. company. Based on Obama’s job performance, do you think the board of directors and shareholders would have fired him by now or would he still be in charge of the company?

Fired by now 52%
Still in charge 38%
(Don’t know) 10%

Which comes closer to your view -- the government’s loan to Solyndra was based on unethical behavior OR was it a good faith loan that went bad?

All RVs

Unethical Behavior:       46%
Good Faith Loan that went bad:  46%

Independants

Unethical Behavior:       51%
Good Faith Loan that went bad:  38%

Interestingly...21% of GOPers give Obama the benefit of the doubt here.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 30, 2011, 09:03:58 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46, +1.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 30, 2011, 04:40:58 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Gallup, meh:

Approve:  39%, u.

Disapprove:  52%, +1.


Von Kluck is back at the gates of Amiens.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 01, 2011, 08:43:05 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46, u.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: izixs on October 01, 2011, 07:24:14 PM
I still find it excessively odd how different Rass and Gallup trend. I know a good deal of it is with their weighting schemes, but still.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 02, 2011, 09:29:18 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, -1.

Disapprove 54%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 44%, +1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on October 03, 2011, 01:38:34 PM
I still find it excessively odd how different Rass and Gallup trend. I know a good deal of it is with their weighting schemes, but still.

Rasmussen and Gallup are, methodologically, just about as far apart as two polls can be.

Today Rasmussen is -10 (+44/-54) and Gallup is -6 (+43/-49)

Been quite a while since Gallup was above Rasmussen for an extended period of time.

We shall see :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 03, 2011, 04:12:28 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, -1.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 20%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -2.

And Gallup, meh:

Approve:  43%

Disapprove:  49%




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: krazen1211 on October 03, 2011, 05:05:03 PM
Obama under 50% in Illinois

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/politics/illinois-obama-approval-rating-poll-romney-home-state-perry-cain-presidential-2012-reelection-20111003

Do you approve of the job President Obama is doing?

Approve: 49.81%
Disapprove: 46.23%
Neutral: 3.96%

If the election were held today and the candidates were Obama and Christie, for whom would you vote?

Obama: 52.69%
Christie: 33.89%
Unsure: 13.42%
Obama or Cain?

Obama: 52.85%
Cain: 30.36%
Unsure: 16.79%
Obama or Perry?

Obama: 52.35%
Perry: 30.20%
Unsure: 17.46%
Obama or Romney?

Obama: 50.26%
Romney: 34.79%
Unsure: 14.95%
 Downstate voters rate Obama job performance:

Approve: 39%
Disapprove: 57%
Suburban ("collar") county voters rate Obama job performance:

Approve: 43%
Disapprove: 55%



Good to see those deep negatives in the collar counties.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Minnesota Mike on October 03, 2011, 05:52:56 PM
Obama under 50% in Illinois

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/politics/illinois-obama-approval-rating-poll-romney-home-state-perry-cain-presidential-2012-reelection-20111003

Do you approve of the job President Obama is doing?

Approve: 49.81%
Disapprove: 46.23%
Neutral: 3.96%

If the election were held today and the candidates were Obama and Christie, for whom would you vote?

Obama: 52.69%
Christie: 33.89%
Unsure: 13.42%
Obama or Cain?

Obama: 52.85%
Cain: 30.36%
Unsure: 16.79%
Obama or Perry?

Obama: 52.35%
Perry: 30.20%
Unsure: 17.46%
Obama or Romney?

Obama: 50.26%
Romney: 34.79%
Unsure: 14.95%
 Downstate voters rate Obama job performance:

Approve: 39%
Disapprove: 57%
Suburban ("collar") county voters rate Obama job performance:

Approve: 43%
Disapprove: 55%



Good to see those deep negatives in the collar counties.

A poll down to 1/100th of 1 percent?  Ok.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 03, 2011, 07:05:25 PM
and not a single GOPer over 35%... approvals mean nothing when you're against this bunch.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 04, 2011, 08:45:59 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, u.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 19%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: freepcrusher on October 04, 2011, 02:11:40 PM
Obama under 50% in Illinois

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/politics/illinois-obama-approval-rating-poll-romney-home-state-perry-cain-presidential-2012-reelection-20111003

Do you approve of the job President Obama is doing?

Approve: 49.81%
Disapprove: 46.23%
Neutral: 3.96%

If the election were held today and the candidates were Obama and Christie, for whom would you vote?

Obama: 52.69%
Christie: 33.89%
Unsure: 13.42%
Obama or Cain?

Obama: 52.85%
Cain: 30.36%
Unsure: 16.79%
Obama or Perry?

Obama: 52.35%
Perry: 30.20%
Unsure: 17.46%
Obama or Romney?

Obama: 50.26%
Romney: 34.79%
Unsure: 14.95%
 Downstate voters rate Obama job performance:

Approve: 39%
Disapprove: 57%
Suburban ("collar") county voters rate Obama job performance:

Approve: 43%
Disapprove: 55%



Good to see those deep negatives in the collar counties.

your point being what? Obama still wins the state under your poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on October 05, 2011, 08:40:04 AM
Do you think Barack Obama should be re-elected president or do you think it's time to elect a new person to do better?" - voters in this crucial 2012 battleground state chose anybody-but-Obama by a margin of 50-43 percent



From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20111005/MIVIEW/110040433/Mitchell-poll--Michigan-wants--Not-Obama-#ixzz1ZujWq4Rx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 05, 2011, 09:19:21 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 42, -2.

Disapprove 56%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 19%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, u.


It is a very bad sign for Obama when his Approve number is lower than his Strongly Disapprove number.  This might, however, just be a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 05, 2011, 12:17:42 PM
Gallup:

41-52 [-1, +2]

PPP/DailyKos/SEIU:

41-54 [-1, nc]

http://dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/9/29


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on October 05, 2011, 02:43:44 PM
Obama Average Approval Rating September 2011 (Gallup)

41% Approve

51% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Roosevelt: 56/37 (September 1939)

Truman: 55/29 (September 1947) AND 32/54 (September 1951)

Eisenhower: 71/16 (September 1955)

Kennedy: 56/30 (September 1963)

Johnson: 38/48 (September 1967)

Nixon: No poll

Ford: 45/38 (September 1975)

Carter: 33/54 (September 1979)

Reagan: 47/43 (September 1983)

Bush I: 68/23 (September 1991)

Clinton: 46/44 (September 1995)

Bush II: 51/45 (September 2003)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: labred82 on October 05, 2011, 03:55:34 PM
He needs to be at least around 45% or so by the end of this year.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 06, 2011, 05:26:52 AM
Quinnipiac University Poll:

41% Approve
55% Disapprove

From September 27 - October 3, Quinnipiac University surveyed 2,118 registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.1 percentage points. Live interviewers call land lines and cell phones.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1657


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on October 06, 2011, 07:15:22 AM
Obama Average Approval Rating September 2011 (Gallup)

41% Approve

51% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Roosevelt: 56/37 (September 1939)

Truman: 55/29 (September 1947) AND 32/54 (September 1951)

Eisenhower: 71/16 (September 1955)

Kennedy: 56/30 (September 1963)

Johnson: 38/48 (September 1967)

Nixon: No poll

Ford: 45/38 (September 1975)

Carter: 33/54 (September 1979)

Reagan: 47/43 (September 1983)

Bush I: 68/23 (September 1991)

Clinton: 46/44 (September 1995)

Bush II: 51/45 (September 2003)


So Truman must have really cratered in the spring of 1948 to be in the 30's in June?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 06, 2011, 04:08:08 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 42, u.

Disapprove 56%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 19%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, u.


Bad sample?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 07, 2011, 09:30:56 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 42, u.

Disapprove 57%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 20%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, u.

If this is not a bad sample, Obama's Disapprove number has gone up 4 points in a week.

If this is a bad sample, it should drop tomorrow.  Two things to look at on tomorrow's poll:

A.  Is Disapprove below 56%?

B.  Is Strongly Disapprove still higher than Approve?

Either, or both, could indicate a strong decline in Obama's numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: krazen1211 on October 07, 2011, 10:02:54 AM
Obama under 50% in Illinois

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/politics/illinois-obama-approval-rating-poll-romney-home-state-perry-cain-presidential-2012-reelection-20111003

Do you approve of the job President Obama is doing?

Approve: 49.81%
Disapprove: 46.23%
Neutral: 3.96%

If the election were held today and the candidates were Obama and Christie, for whom would you vote?

Obama: 52.69%
Christie: 33.89%
Unsure: 13.42%
Obama or Cain?

Obama: 52.85%
Cain: 30.36%
Unsure: 16.79%
Obama or Perry?

Obama: 52.35%
Perry: 30.20%
Unsure: 17.46%
Obama or Romney?

Obama: 50.26%
Romney: 34.79%
Unsure: 14.95%
 Downstate voters rate Obama job performance:

Approve: 39%
Disapprove: 57%
Suburban ("collar") county voters rate Obama job performance:

Approve: 43%
Disapprove: 55%



Good to see those deep negatives in the collar counties.

your point being what? Obama still wins the state under your poll.

The GOP has a much better chance of winning the non Chicago congressional districts if Obama is stinky there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on October 07, 2011, 10:26:22 AM
Obama Average Approval Rating September 2011 (Gallup)

41% Approve

51% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Presidents with positive approvals:

Eisenhower: 71/16 (September 1955) Net = +55 - Won Re-election
Bush I: 68/23 (September 1991) - Net = +45 - Defeated For re-election
Truman: 55/29 (September 1947) Net = + 26 - Won Re-election (Media coverage not withstanding)
Roosevelt: 56/37 (September 1939) Net = + 19% - Won Re-election
Ford: 45/38 (September 1975) - Net = +10 - Defeated For re-election
Bush II: 51/45 (September 2003) - Net = +6 - Re-elected
Reagan: 47/43 (September 1983) - Net = +4 - Re-elected
Clinton: 46/44 (September 1995) - Net = +2 - Re-elected

Presidents with negative approvals:

Johnson: 38/48 (September 1967) Net = - 10 "If Nominated I will not run, if Elected I will not serve"
Obama: 41/51 (September 2011) - Net = -10 - TBA
Carter: 33/54 (September 1979) - Net = - 21 - Defeated for Re-election
Truman: 32/54 (September 1951) Net = -22 - Did Not seek second Full Term




For a president to be deeply underwater seems to predict not getting another term, - though Carter was the only one who actually choose to face the electorate.

Having a positive approval rating, while clearly better than having a negative one, is no guarantee of re-election, though one could argue that Bush I was unusual (Post Gulf War 1 afterglow) and also Ford (Post Nixon "let the healing begin" Honeymoon)  had "distorted" approval ratings  14 months out from their re-election bids.*

Gerald Ford - Only President to ever become president without having been elected as either President or Vice President (Became VP when Spiro Agnew resigned as VP)










Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 07, 2011, 12:01:55 PM
I have been looking at the 18 month/12 month period prior to the election. 

The one with the lowest low number to win reelection was Clinton in 1996; he had 42% approval in January 1996.

The one with the highest low number to lose reelection was Ford, with a low of 39% in December 1975.

Note that GHWB's collapsed in the spring of 1992 and I think he bottomed at 29%.

I've generally thought that if Obama consistently got below 40%, it could be over.

Incumbents due tend to bounce back a lot closer.  Carter's 12 month low prior to the election was 31% and he gained about 9 points.  Reagan was at 43% in May of 1983 and gained about 16 points.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on October 07, 2011, 12:44:20 PM
I have been looking at the 18 month/12 month period prior to the election. 

The one with the lowest low number to win reelection was Clinton in 1996; he had 42% approval in January 1996.

The one with the highest low number to lose reelection was Ford, with a low of 39% in December 1975.

Note that GHWB's collapsed in the spring of 1992 and I think he bottomed at 29%.

I've generally thought that if Obama consistently got below 40%, it could be over.

Incumbents due tend to bounce back a lot closer.  Carter's 12 month low prior to the election was 31% and he gained about 9 points.  Reagan was at 43% in May of 1983 and gained about 16 points.

But, prior Presidents took their pain early and timed the peak of attempts to stimulate the economy to coincide with an election year. Obama tried to avoid the pain early, and is mired in a Japanese-style slump as a result.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: "'Oeps!' De blunders van Rick Perry Indicted" on October 07, 2011, 01:07:36 PM
I have been looking at the 18 month/12 month period prior to the election. 

The one with the lowest low number to win reelection was Clinton in 1996; he had 42% approval in January 1996.

It should be noted that this was a major outlier from Gallup; network polls from roughly the same period showed Clinton at 50% and 53% (scroll down (http://webapps.ropercenter.uconn.edu/CFIDE/roper/presidential/webroot/presidential_rating_detail.cfm?allRate=True&presidentName=Clinton#.To89d5uImU8)), though it declined into the high forties later in the month (second gov't shutdown?).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 07, 2011, 01:15:08 PM
I have been looking at the 18 month/12 month period prior to the election. 

The one with the lowest low number to win reelection was Clinton in 1996; he had 42% approval in January 1996.

The one with the highest low number to lose reelection was Ford, with a low of 39% in December 1975.

Note that GHWB's collapsed in the spring of 1992 and I think he bottomed at 29%.

I've generally thought that if Obama consistently got below 40%, it could be over.

Incumbents due tend to bounce back a lot closer.  Carter's 12 month low prior to the election was 31% and he gained about 9 points.  Reagan was at 43% in May of 1983 and gained about 16 points.

But, prior Presidents took their pain early and timed the peak of attempts to stimulate the economy to coincide with an election year. Obama tried to avoid the pain early, and is mired in a Japanese-style slump as a result.

Different scenario. President Obama came in when a full-blown economic meltdown reminiscent in many ways of that that began in September 1929. He addressed it by the book. The meltdown that had begun in September 2007 came to an end in the equivalent of February or March 1931 instead of in the equivalent of late 1933.

The appropriate comparisons are to the 1930s and not to any later times. President Obama would have approval ratings in the teens by now had he taken deflationary measures at the start of his administration... but that would be the least of anyone's problems, especially with even higher unemployment, a far greater number of corporate failures, and huge.reductions in living standards. The get-rich-quick schemes that marked American economic life from about 1981 to 2007 can no longer work.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 07, 2011, 01:22:57 PM
I have been looking at the 18 month/12 month period prior to the election. 

The one with the lowest low number to win reelection was Clinton in 1996; he had 42% approval in January 1996.

The one with the highest low number to lose reelection was Ford, with a low of 39% in December 1975.

Note that GHWB's collapsed in the spring of 1992 and I think he bottomed at 29%.

I've generally thought that if Obama consistently got below 40%, it could be over.

Incumbents due tend to bounce back a lot closer.  Carter's 12 month low prior to the election was 31% and he gained about 9 points.  Reagan was at 43% in May of 1983 and gained about 16 points.

But, prior Presidents took their pain early and timed the peak of attempts to stimulate the economy to coincide with an election year. Obama tried to avoid the pain early, and is mired in a Japanese-style slump as a result.

Those numbers were all in the 18 months prior to the election.  I'm comparing apples to apples.



It should be noted that this was a major outlier from Gallup; network polls from roughly the same period showed Clinton at 50% and 53% (scroll down (http://webapps.ropercenter.uconn.edu/CFIDE/roper/presidential/webroot/presidential_rating_detail.cfm?allRate=True&presidentName=Clinton#.To89d5uImU8)), though it declined into the high forties later in the month (second gov't shutdown?).

That 39% for Ford could have been an outllier as well.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: "'Oeps!' De blunders van Rick Perry Indicted" on October 07, 2011, 01:27:57 PM
That 39% for Ford could have been an outllier as well.

Possibly; I know that Carter actually went below 20% in some polls (as did Bush in '08), but Gallup doesn't seem to reflect that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on October 07, 2011, 01:51:22 PM

 The get-rich-quick schemes that marked American economic life from about  1963  1981 to 2007 2011 can no longer work.  


I corrected your typos for you :)













1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 07, 2011, 03:53:47 PM

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

Source?

1. You create misery by legislation that eases the transfer of wealth to a few at the expense of everyone else.

2. Did you ever hear of disability insurance?

3. As if the government were the economic equivalent of a black hole. Government might not create wealth directly, but it might facilitate wealth with the creation of value. Wealth that does not flow, unless it creates wealth, does little good.

4. Have you ever heard of the marginal utility of income? A thousand dollars might do much good for some pauper with rotting teeth, but little for someone who owns millions of dollars.

5. Wealth created with the aid of the lash or under the threat of the noose is a sham.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on October 08, 2011, 12:47:04 AM
I have been looking at the 18 month/12 month period prior to the election. 

The one with the lowest low number to win reelection was Clinton in 1996; he had 42% approval in January 1996.

The one with the highest low number to lose reelection was Ford, with a low of 39% in December 1975.

Note that GHWB's collapsed in the spring of 1992 and I think he bottomed at 29%.

I've generally thought that if Obama consistently got below 40%, it could be over.

Incumbents due tend to bounce back a lot closer.  Carter's 12 month low prior to the election was 31% and he gained about 9 points.  Reagan was at 43% in May of 1983 and gained about 16 points.

But, prior Presidents took their pain early and timed the peak of attempts to stimulate the economy to coincide with an election year. Obama tried to avoid the pain early, and is mired in a Japanese-style slump as a result.

Different scenario. President Obama came in when a full-blown economic meltdown reminiscent in many ways of that that began in September 1929. He addressed it by the book. The meltdown that had begun in September 2007 came to an end in the equivalent of February or March 1931 instead of in the equivalent of late 1933.

The appropriate comparisons are to the 1930s and not to any later times. President Obama would have approval ratings in the teens by now had he taken deflationary measures at the start of his administration... but that would be the least of anyone's problems, especially with even higher unemployment, a far greater number of corporate failures, and huge.reductions in living standards. The get-rich-quick schemes that marked American economic life from about 1981 to 2007 can no longer work.  

Everything you noted is irrelevant. What is relevent is that the electorate treats Presidents like football coaches. If a coach wins, they keep him. If a coach loses, he's gone. Football coaches are judged by their last season, and Presidents are judged by how the economy is doing early in the Presidential year. You can write at length about the totality of the circumstances, but, the reality is the electorate correctly presumes that politicians are lying to them, and merely judges current results.

Taking the pain early might not have been the politically expedient thing for Obama to do, but, it was what he ought to have done. Reagan took the pain early, and, he was able to claim "morning in America." Obama tried zombie juice. He will have to live with "mourning in America."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on October 08, 2011, 12:59:58 AM
I have been looking at the 18 month/12 month period prior to the election. 

The one with the lowest low number to win reelection was Clinton in 1996; he had 42% approval in January 1996.

The one with the highest low number to lose reelection was Ford, with a low of 39% in December 1975.

Note that GHWB's collapsed in the spring of 1992 and I think he bottomed at 29%.

I've generally thought that if Obama consistently got below 40%, it could be over.

Incumbents due tend to bounce back a lot closer.  Carter's 12 month low prior to the election was 31% and he gained about 9 points.  Reagan was at 43% in May of 1983 and gained about 16 points.

But, prior Presidents took their pain early and timed the peak of attempts to stimulate the economy to coincide with an election year. Obama tried to avoid the pain early, and is mired in a Japanese-style slump as a result.

Those numbers were all in the 18 months prior to the election.  I'm comparing apples to apples.

Certainly, temporally you are correct. It is also true that Reagan's policies of wringing inflation out of the system resulted in pain early, and prosperity later. There is no reason to presume Obama's policies of "stimulus" will follow the same curve between now and early next year.

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It should be noted that this was a major outlier from Gallup; network polls from roughly the same period showed Clinton at 50% and 53% (scroll down (http://webapps.ropercenter.uconn.edu/CFIDE/roper/presidential/webroot/presidential_rating_detail.cfm?allRate=True&presidentName=Clinton#.To89d5uImU8)), though it declined into the high forties later in the month (second gov't shutdown?).

That 39% for Ford could have been an outllier as well.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on October 08, 2011, 01:04:47 AM

 The get-rich-quick schemes that marked American economic life from about  1963  1981 to 2007 2011 can no longer work.  


I corrected your typos for you :)













1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

Umm, the right to walk the streets at night without fear?

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4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 08, 2011, 12:06:10 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43, +1.

Disapprove 55%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 20%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.


If this is a bad sample, it should drop tomorrow.  Two things to look at on tomorrow's poll:

A.  Is Disapprove below 56%?

B.  Is Strongly Disapprove still higher than Approve?

Either, or both, could indicate a strong decline in Obama's numbers.


Bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Donald Trump’s Toupée on October 08, 2011, 12:23:23 PM
We're almost getting in range when we can say that he'll be a first term president, unless there's a seismic economic recovery within the next year.

Frankly, I think he's done for already. I just don't see how he's going to get his numbers close to 50%, and remain there on a consistent basis. He has 13 months; time is starting to run out. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 08, 2011, 01:12:04 PM
We're almost getting in range when we can say that he'll be a first term president, unless there's a seismic economic recovery within the next year.

Frankly, I think he's done for already. I just don't see how he's going to get his numbers close to 50%, and remain there on a consistent basis. He has 13 months; time is starting to run out. 

The rules are very different for economic hard times that are clearly not the fault of the President, are blamed upon a prior President or on foreigners, and have no obvious cure except what the President proposes. FDR got re-elected in very hard times -- the Great Depression and the Second World War. Three times!

There is no quick return to non-recession times. The GOP is giving America what it considers an offer that it can't refuse but is giving instead an offer that it can't accept. Few people want greater hardships for themselves on behalf of people that they have little cause to trust. The GOP won big in 2010 by sugar-coating a raw deal for the American people. The sugar-coating has washed away.

Wage cuts for oneself and tax cuts for someone else -- essentially the rigid GOP offer -- can't be offered anew with sugar-coating in 2012 with a reasonable chance of acceptance. Now here is the bigger question: must the President become a demagogue to be re-elected? I hope not! Demagogues fare well politically in hard times. It is far easier to cast blame than to offer solutions. We are in no ordinary recession. Doing what got us into this very nasty recession -- the Lesser Depression -- is a non-solution; people just won't respond. There won't be a fresh real-estate boom for about twenty years, and the predatory lending and dishonest underwriting of what have proved bad loans will repel people much as two north poles of magnets repel each other. The GOP solution of doing what got us into the Great Depression is even less attractive except to those who expect new opportunities to get good stuff at distressed prices.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 08, 2011, 08:53:29 PM
We're almost getting in range when we can say that he'll be a first term president, unless there's a seismic economic recovery within the next year.

Frankly, I think he's done for already. I just don't see how he's going to get his numbers close to 50%, and remain there on a consistent basis. He has 13 months; time is starting to run out. 

I think the key phase is "time is starting to run out."  Other president have gained 11 or more points on Gallup this far out, but most were off their lows.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 08, 2011, 10:41:25 PM
We're almost getting in range when we can say that he'll be a first term president, unless there's a seismic economic recovery within the next year.

Frankly, I think he's done for already. I just don't see how he's going to get his numbers close to 50%, and remain there on a consistent basis. He has 13 months; time is starting to run out. 

The rules are very different for economic hard times that are clearly not the fault of the President, are blamed upon a prior President or on foreigners, and have no obvious cure except what the President proposes. FDR got re-elected in very hard times -- the Great Depression and the Second World War. Three times!

There is no quick return to non-recession times. The GOP is giving America what it considers an offer that it can't refuse but is giving instead an offer that it can't accept. Few people want greater hardships for themselves on behalf of people that they have little cause to trust. The GOP won big in 2010 by sugar-coating a raw deal for the American people. The sugar-coating has washed away.

Wage cuts for oneself and tax cuts for someone else -- essentially the rigid GOP offer -- can't be offered anew with sugar-coating in 2012 with a reasonable chance of acceptance. Now here is the bigger question: must the President become a demagogue to be re-elected? I hope not! Demagogues fare well politically in hard times. It is far easier to cast blame than to offer solutions. We are in no ordinary recession. Doing what got us into this very nasty recession -- the Lesser Depression -- is a non-solution; people just won't respond. There won't be a fresh real-estate boom for about twenty years, and the predatory lending and dishonest underwriting of what have proved bad loans will repel people much as two north poles of magnets repel each other. The GOP solution of doing what got us into the Great Depression is even less attractive except to those who expect new opportunities to get good stuff at distressed prices.   

Keep in mind that in 1940, FDR was losing on the economy and won reelection only because of Europe. We are far closer to a situation of a President "having inherited a situation and failed to successfully resolve it" such as most people thought in 1940, then we are to 1936 and "the President having inherited a bad economy and is struggling to bring us back, but it takes time".

Also, once again your analysis of the political situation in the campaign is extremely slanted because of your personal interpretation of events and ideologies seeping in.

Is the President going to demagogue? He has no other choice, other than to concede the election. His only path to victory is to define his opponent as a nutcase (Cain, Perry, Bachman, or Paul) or a stiff necked businessman who took perverse pleasure in putting working class Americans in the unemployment line (Romney, Cain and Huntsman).

And he has already been engaging in this activity since 2008. He essentially ran on a campaign of "everyone who disagrees with me is part of the problem and have no place in the new page of American history which I am going to create". The only plan to implement such a drastic change in American political dialogue, that he was capable of engaging in, was to remove his opponents from the conversation, somehow. Most likely through demagogery as being, "part of the old politics". Which probably would have worked as long as Obama's approvals stayed over 60% and independents loved him. He had no experience doing grand bargains on a major issue, and he had no real good working relationships with people on capitol hill, even amongst Democrats. It seems Reid and Pelosi thought him as a good way to stop Hillary from coming in and "taking over" what they worked so hard to put together in 2006. But some of their actions seem to indicate a lack of high regard for Obama. Especially now that has done what they feared Hillary would cause, the loss of the majority.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 09, 2011, 11:41:31 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 42, -1.

Disapprove 56%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 20%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.

While I could have discounted the prior numbers as a bad sample, this probably isn't one so close to the last.  It looks like there is some, perhaps major, decline in Obama's numbers.

We'll see what happens with Gallup.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on October 09, 2011, 12:35:20 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 42, -1.

Disapprove 56%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 20%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.

While I could have discounted the prior numbers as a bad sample, this probably isn't one so close to the last.  It looks like there is some, perhaps major, decline in Obama's numbers.

We'll see what happens with Gallup.



A big chunk of Obama's "mini surge" in Rasmussen (when he got back up to the 45%-46% range for a few days) was likely just an artifact of Rasmussen's "likely voter" screen and the fact his partisan ID weights have a long time base.

When ever Obama "goes on the offensive" and tosses out some "red meat" to the Democratic base, a % of then get more enthusiastic and interested in all things political, and thus are deemed more "likely" in Rasmussen's screening and hence more likely to make it into the sample pool.

Close in to an election (say +/- 90 days out or less) Likely voters are clearly the way the poll, but 14 months out they actually tend to be a bit more volatile than a RV poll.

Regarding "some, perhaps major, decline in Obama's numbers".. On May 25th, 2011 Obama was +10.1% on the RCP average of approval polls...  Today (despite a Rather interesting CBS sample showing 44/44) Obama is at -9.6% - This is a net shift of 20% in 4 months.... that is not a "decline" that is a meltdown.....  That is Richard Nixon post Watergate territory.

What is perhaps even more important than the raw approval is the favorability numbers.  This far out, job approval goes up and down with the events of the day, but favorability (essentially, "do ya like the guy") has turned to a net negative.

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When (almost) a majority of the electorate just don't like you, you're in deep doo-doo....

32.7% approval on the economy (also on an implosion trendline) - These numbers are starting to look really ugly....

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 10, 2011, 08:56:11 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 42, u.

Disapprove 55%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.

Since October 1, there has been some erosion in Obama's numbers, but not a big drop.

The "mini surge" lasted a few weeks, perhaps a month.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 11, 2011, 09:27:16 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, +2.

Disapprove 54%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 11, 2011, 11:20:44 AM
Daily Kos/SEIU Weekly State of the Nation Poll:

44% Approve (+3)
50% Disapprove (-4)

Do you have a favorable, unfavorable, or neutral opinion of the Occupy Wall Street movement, or have you not heard of it?

35% Favorable
31% Unfavorable
19% Neutral
14% Haven't heard of it

Public Policy Polling, 1000 Registered Voters, MoE 3.1%, October 6, 2011 - October 9, 2011.

http://dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/10/6


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 12, 2011, 09:04:20 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, +1.

Disapprove 53%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, _+2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 12, 2011, 10:28:25 AM
Daily Kos/SEIU Weekly State of the Nation Poll:

44% Approve (+3)
50% Disapprove (-4)

Do you have a favorable, unfavorable, or neutral opinion of the Occupy Wall Street movement, or have you not heard of it?

35% Favorable
31% Unfavorable
19% Neutral
14% Haven't heard of it

Public Policy Polling, 1000 Registered Voters, MoE 3.1%, October 6, 2011 - October 9, 2011.

http://dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/10/6

It certainly beats the Tea Party Movement. Maybe it is because the Tea Party is organized and guided by the Establishment, or at least parts of it.

   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 12, 2011, 11:21:46 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 45%, +1.
Disapprove 53%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 13, 2011, 10:04:27 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47, +2.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +2.

I think an overly pro-Obama sample is moving through the the sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 13, 2011, 01:02:27 PM
Looks like Obama's approval is slightly on the rise.

Only Gallup still looks like on crack.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 13, 2011, 04:19:25 PM
Looks like Obama's approval is slightly on the rise.

Only Gallup still looks like on crack.

Strongly Disapprove is up two.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 14, 2011, 09:05:59 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47, u.

Disapprove 53%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 14, 2011, 12:03:33 PM
Gallup must be really taking drugs or something.

38-54 today, when every other pollster now has him between 43% and 47% approval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on October 14, 2011, 12:46:14 PM
Gallup must be really taking drugs or something.

38-54 today, when every other pollster now has him between 43% and 47% approval.

Gallup runs off on it's own now and then (in both directions)

Gallup's survey methods are actually very good, so good in fact that they reach a big chunk of the electorate that other firms rarely get to in their sample design.

This hard to reach part of the population tends to swing very wildly as they tend to be quite apolitical and react more to the news of the day than any defined political leanings.

Right now there is a bit of a negative air about Obama, and Gallup reflects this.  If Obama has a few good weeks, things will swing 15 points the other direction.

But yes, the bloom is definitely off the rose with respect to Gallup.  They were the Gold Standard, now they are just a quirky member of the pack.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 15, 2011, 09:42:49 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46, -1.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mehmentum on October 15, 2011, 09:18:48 PM
Gallup must be really taking drugs or something.

38-54 today, when every other pollster now has him between 43% and 47% approval.
Yeah, when Rasmussen has Obama with significantly better approvals than Gallup... well you know something has gone horribly wrong.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 16, 2011, 09:05:19 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, -1.

Disapprove 54%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.

A slightly pro-Obama sample dropped.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 17, 2011, 09:10:51 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43, -2.

Disapprove 55%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 20%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, u.

The bad sample dropped.

Today is 1000th day of the Obama presidency.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President von Cat on October 17, 2011, 03:54:55 PM
Wow, 1,000 days! Time sure does go by fast.

Gallup:

Approve: 42% +2

Disapprove: 50% -2

Still seems to be fluctuating on his lows on Gallup. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 17, 2011, 03:57:51 PM
Wow, 1,000 days! Time sure does go by fast.

Gallup:

Approve: 42% +2

Disapprove: 50% -2

Still seems to be fluctuating on his lows on Gallup. 

I'm looking to see if Obama starts tracking consistently below 40% on Gallup.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on October 17, 2011, 05:01:59 PM
I've still got a lot of time for this president :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President von Cat on October 18, 2011, 01:06:49 AM
Wow, 1,000 days! Time sure does go by fast.

Gallup:

Approve: 42% +2

Disapprove: 50% -2

Still seems to be fluctuating on his lows on Gallup. 

I'm looking to see if Obama starts tracking consistently below 40% on Gallup.

I doubt it will happen. There are plenty of pro-recession Republicans around here who will push his approval ratings up should we double dip.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 18, 2011, 08:24:59 AM

Wow, 1,000 days! Time sure does go by fast.

Gallup:

Approve: 42% +2

Disapprove: 50% -2

Still seems to be fluctuating on his lows on Gallup. 

I'm looking to see if Obama starts tracking consistently below 40% on Gallup.

I doubt it will happen. There are plenty of pro-recession Republicans around here who will push his approval ratings up should we double dip.

We already had it over the summer.  If it occurs within a year of the election, it is probably fatal.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 18, 2011, 08:39:59 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, +1.

Disapprove 55%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 19%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -2.

It is from their text; it is not up on the chart yet.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on October 18, 2011, 01:46:43 PM
Gallup, Obama:

approval     38%
disapproval 54%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 18, 2011, 04:23:25 PM
Gallup, Obama:

approval     38%
disapproval 54%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

-4 and +4, respectively.

As I said, I'm waiting for it to consistently be below 40%. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on October 18, 2011, 05:10:11 PM
Gallup, Obama:

approval     38%
disapproval 54%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

-4 and +4, respectively.

As I said, I'm waiting for it to consistently be below 40%.  

Wow.. a tad volatile, even for Gallup :)

Gallup works best with a 30 day rolling average.. which says +41/-51 => -10 or so.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 19, 2011, 09:01:20 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, +1.

Disapprove 54%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 19%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 19, 2011, 09:06:32 AM
PPP/DailyKos/SEIU weekly poll:

46% Approve
49% Disapprove

http://dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/10/13

CNN:

46% Approve
50% Disapprove

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/10/17/oct17.poll.economy.pdf

...

Looks like Gallup is a huge outlier ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Biden is your president. Deal with it. on October 19, 2011, 02:04:36 PM
See I predicted it his ratings will go back up into mid 50s by christmas.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on October 19, 2011, 03:08:28 PM
See I predicted it his ratings will go back up into mid 50s by christmas.

Still 10% to go. A long way...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: All Along The Watchtower on October 19, 2011, 08:28:40 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, +1.

Disapprove 54%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 19%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.



I guess around 20% of Americans will disapprove of Obama instinctively (just as they approved of Bush til the bitter end..) and 20% are pretty much committed to him (or are Democratic partisans).

That leaves 20% of people who are right of center, more likely to  disapprove but possible to win over; 20% of people who are left of center, who approve of Obama generally; and 20% who are really centrist swing voters.

Right now, Obama is not doing too well with the center, and certainly not well with  the  center-right. We'll see what happens in a year, though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 19, 2011, 09:50:18 PM


I guess around 20% of Americans will disapprove of Obama instinctively (just as they approved of Bush til the bitter end..) and 20% are pretty much committed to him (or are Democratic partisans).

That leaves 20% of people who are right of center, more likely to  disapprove but possible to win over; 20% of people who are left of center, who approve of Obama generally; and 20% who are really centrist swing voters.

Right now, Obama is not doing too well with the center, and certainly not well with  the  center-right. We'll see what happens in a year, though.

We'll the center, independents are the key.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 20, 2011, 08:53:43 AM
Rasmussen:

Approve 45%, nc.
Disapprove 54%, nc.

"Strongly Approve" is at 20%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -1.

...

Later today, Rasmussen Report will release new data on the Iowa caucus.

Additionally, at noon Eastern, Rasmussen Reports will release updated numbers on the Obama-Perry match-up.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on October 20, 2011, 02:00:57 PM
Democracy Corpse (D)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2011/Democracy_Corps_102011.pdf


Strongly approve ..................................................................21
Somewhat approve ..............................................................19
Somewhat disapprove..........................................................11
Strongly disapprove .............................................................42

Total approve......................................................................40
Total disapprove ................................................................53




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ronnie on October 20, 2011, 03:38:49 PM
I find it rather sad that Obama's approval is so mediocre and yet, Republicans haven't been able to catch him.  I guess it speaks volumes about the quality of the candidates this time around.  Oh well.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 21, 2011, 12:02:41 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44, -1.

Disapprove 55%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 19%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.

Since March, Obama's strongly approved numbers have declined rather strongly.  They were low, but they got lower.  Right now, they are running 6-10 points the pre-midterm numbers of a year ago.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 21, 2011, 12:15:17 PM
Gallup 42 50, so Obamama has not been consistently below 40%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 22, 2011, 08:40:30 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 42, -2.

Disapprove 56%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 20%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Penelope on October 22, 2011, 01:05:32 PM
Gallup 42 50, so Obamama has not been consistently below 40%.

Gallup

Approve: 43 (+1)

Disapprove: 49 (-1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President von Cat on October 22, 2011, 04:09:32 PM
So, should we start checking to see if Obama's disapproval can stay below 50%? ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on October 22, 2011, 04:14:58 PM
Just for reference, when did President Reagan's approval ratings start increasing enough to ensure his reelection?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on October 23, 2011, 12:06:36 AM
Just for reference, when did President Reagan's approval ratings start increasing enough to ensure his reelection?

Close to the time the economy starting perking up significantly.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on October 23, 2011, 12:08:15 AM
So, should we start checking to see if Obama's disapproval can stay below 50%? ;)

I'm looking for Rasmussen's strong disapproval ratings reaching the upper 40's.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 23, 2011, 09:33:12 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43, +1.

Disapprove 56%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 20%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 23, 2011, 10:32:48 AM
Just for reference, when did President Reagan's approval ratings start increasing enough to ensure his reelection?

On Gallup, an important qualifier, RWR hit is low of 35% in late January 1983.  By this point in 1983, RWR was at 49%, so he had hit his low and recovered a lot.

GHWB, by contrast, was at 66% at this point 1991, but he had had a steep decline from 89% in March (not unexpectedly).

BHO, on the same poll, hit his low of 40% in October of this year and is at 41% in late October.

Note that I am using this chart for historic comparisons.  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

I basically am looking for the point where the incumbent hits the low point and starts improving.  My analogy is from WW I, "von Kluck's Turn."  It was the point where the situation began to get a bit better for the Allies.  Obama, may have hit that point.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President von Cat on October 23, 2011, 03:30:17 PM
Gallup:

Approve: 44%, +1
Disapprove: 47% -2

Perhaps some movement due to the end of Gaddafi, the end of the Iraq War and relatively decent nuts and bolts economic data? Big corporations had good earnings releases, jobless claims are below 400,000 and the DJI had a great close on Friday.

Lets wait and see how he is doing a week from now before we say he has turned a corner. Financial markets may get bludgeoned if Europe doesn't deliver this week, and that may set back Obama's approvals.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on October 23, 2011, 04:34:21 PM
Just for reference, when did President Reagan's approval ratings start increasing enough to ensure his reelection?

On Gallup, an important qualifier, RWR hit is low of 35% in late January 1983.  By this point in 1983, RWR was at 49%, so he had hit his low and recovered a lot.

GHWB, by contrast, was at 66% at this point 1991, but he had had a steep decline from 89% in March (not unexpectedly).

BHO, on the same poll, hit his low of 40% in October of this year and is at 41% in late October.

Note that I am using this chart for historic comparisons.  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

I basically am looking for the point where the incumbent hits the low point and starts improving.  My analogy is from WW I, "von Kluck's Turn."  It was the point where the situation began to get a bit better for the Allies.  Obama, may have hit that point.

IMHO, Obama better start improving quick with the Republican primaries around the corner and the general election only 12 1/2 months away.  If Reagan started improving some 9-10 months before this point in 1983, and Obama has only "improved" 1 point, he'd better get busy or he could be a gonner.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 23, 2011, 04:55:37 PM
Gallup:

Approve: 44%, +1
Disapprove: 47% -2

Perhaps some movement due to the end of Gaddafi, the end of the Iraq War and relatively decent nuts and bolts economic data? Big corporations had good earnings releases, jobless claims are below 400,000 and the DJI had a great close on Friday.

Lets wait and see how he is doing a week from now before we say he has turned a corner. Financial markets may get bludgeoned if Europe doesn't deliver this week, and that may set back Obama's approvals.

Or just noise.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on October 24, 2011, 12:20:51 PM
Gallup:

Approve 42
Disapprove 50

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

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Bouncing around a lot, even for Gallup.

30 and 60 day averages are staying at -10 or so.

Looking at all the polls Obama may be firming up a tad.

When in doubt - look at the NBC/WSJ poll which says 44/51, which to my eyes looks pretty darn close to reality.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on October 24, 2011, 12:22:17 PM

When Gallup is running off on it's own, usually the best bet :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 24, 2011, 02:19:56 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45, +2.

Disapprove 54%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 19%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -3.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 25, 2011, 09:07:33 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, -1.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 18%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.


The Strongly Approve number is now at a record low, though it just could be a natural swing.

[Fixed "Approved."  It was down by one, not two, points.]


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on October 25, 2011, 11:02:09 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, -2.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 18%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.


The Strongly Approve number is now at a record low, though it just could be a natural swing.

Pretty much the same strong approve / strong disapprove numbers that Democracy Corpse (D) got. - 21 versus -22.


Strongly approve ..................................................................21
Somewhat approve ..............................................................19
Somewhat disapprove..........................................................11
Strongly disapprove .............................................................42

When Bush was in the mid to high 40s in 2003 and 2004, at  least his "strong approve" numbers were still not too far off his strong disapprove.

In the context of such a large enthusiasm gap, Obama's efforts to throw some "red meat" to the Democratic base make a lot of sense. - Bush beat Kerry in 2004 (mostly) because the Bush folks loved Bush a bit more than the Kerry folks hated him.  I think Obama's more class warfare (edit, trying to resist trolling tendency) "populist" focus of late lies in the reality.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 25, 2011, 02:08:13 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, -2.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 18%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.


The Strongly Approve number is now at a record low, though it just could be a natural swing.

Pretty much the same strong approve / strong disapprove numbers that Democracy Corpse (D) got. - 21 versus -22.


Strongly approve ..................................................................21
Somewhat approve ..............................................................19
Somewhat disapprove..........................................................11
Strongly disapprove .............................................................42

When Bush was in the mid to high 40s in 2003 and 2004, at  least his "strong approve" numbers were still not too far off his strong disapprove.

In the context of such a large enthusiasm gap, Obama's efforts to throw some "red meat" to the Democratic base make a lot of sense. - Bush beat Kerry in 2004 (mostly) because the Bush folks loved Bush a bit more than the Kerry folks hated him.  I think Obama's more class warfare (edit, trying to resist trolling tendency) "populist" focus of late lies in the reality.


President Obama didn't run as a populist in 2008. He steered clear of class warfare, seeming to suggest that (as Ronald Reagan did) that a rising tide raises all boats. It is unambiguously clear that the recovery that we have (or had) has been uneven in results.

The Tea Party that formed to oppose him and restore the power of the Right found its populist appeal first -- even if the appeal has huge faults, as it has proved anti-worker and anti-middle-class. That sort of populism has huge faults.

People are angry at elites who have waxed fat while degrading everyone else. If the prosperity that those elites seek depends upon the impoverishing of everyone else, then it will be difficult for Republicans to defend those elites and the objectives of those elites.

President Obama has stayed clear of negativistic smears upon his rivals. So far he is positioning himself first against the Republicans in Congress. The negative ads against any Republican nominee are likely to begin at an apt time.     



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 26, 2011, 09:09:27 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43%, -1.

Disapprove 55%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 19%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 26, 2011, 11:22:53 AM
I am not resuscitating the old map that I created. It had gotten messy.

It may be hard to believe that the President can win a state despite a plurality of people in the state believing that he does not deserve a second term and despite having an approval rating of 43%  or so nationwide. Ohio, not surprisingly, is very close to the national average.  The President can win without Ohio, but he can hardly lose with it.  No current GOP candidate can win without Ohio.

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President Barack Obama's job approval rating and re-elect numbers remain underwater among Ohio voters, who disapprove 51 - 43 percent and say 49 - 44 percent the president does not deserve a second term, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll finds.

Despite his negative scores, the president leads potential Republican challengers:

    47 - 39 percent over Cain;
    45 - 41 percent over Romney;
    47 - 36 percent over Perry.


No American likes his own economic distress... but no GOP candidate seems to offer a viable alternative.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on October 26, 2011, 04:51:03 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43%, -1.

Disapprove 55%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 19%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.


we are not quite there, but we are starting to get the the point in time where these approval ratings begin (very dimly) to have some predictive value.

Starting early next year they start to mean something.

the head to heads are, of course, meaningless.  PEW did a poll and found that less than 50% can, unprompted, name even one GOP presidential candidate, so the head to heads are jibberish.

The only poll that is semi-meaningful right now is Obama's "deserves to be re-elected" and/or Obama versus the mythical generic republican.

Obama's getting low 40s on both of these.  Not good, but not dead in the water either.  I would call it somewhat to the darker side of the grey area at this point.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 26, 2011, 08:08:34 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43%, -1.

Disapprove 55%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 19%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.


we are not quite there, but we are starting to get the the point in time where these approval ratings begin (very dimly) to have some predictive value.

Starting early next year they start to mean something.

the head to heads are, of course, meaningless.  PEW did a poll and found that less than 50% can, unprompted, name even one GOP presidential candidate, so the head to heads are jibberish.

The only poll that is semi-meaningful right now is Obama's "deserves to be re-elected" and/or Obama versus the mythical generic republican.

Obama's getting low 40s on both of these.  Not good, but not dead in the water either.  I would call it somewhat to the darker side of the grey area at this point.



The head-to-head match-ups are relevant. People are watching the political scene,  People have been watching the Republican debates, and the Republican candidates are far-better known than has been the case in the recent past.   The political figures are as well known at the least as figures of popular culture.

News coverage of the President is nothing spectacular. But Republican candidates are getting much attention; they are carping at the President nearly non-stop. They have a head start... and so far they show themselves ineffective in showing the President as a fool, crook, or an unqualified failure. This is with a horrible economy.

The average gain from an approval rating to the share of the vote for an incumbent Senator or Governor is 6%, and that is probably much the same for the President. From 43% that suggests that the incumbent President would end up with 49% of the popular vote with the challenger getting 51% and losing.

That is far from exact. Much  matters, including breaking scandals, the economy, military or diplomatic successes and debacles, and of course the quality of campaigns of the incumbent and challenger. Without question, President Obama would likely go down to a Republican as strong as Ronald Reagan who has no regional weaknesses and knows how to modulate his language to seem more moderate than he is. This President is a complete mismatch for much of America -- the Deep South except for blacks, the oil patch of America, and the culturally-similar areas of the Ozarks and the middle and southern Appalachians (basically the mountainous areas east of the Rockies to the south of roughly Binghamton, New York).

So why the 6% gain on the average? The incumbent, first of all, has usually shown the ability to win  the election that got him in. For every President of the twentieth century except for Gerald Ford (who had never won a statewide race) such has been true. The incumbent has responsibilities in office that preclude him from campaigning 24-7 -- as a legislator and as an administrator. Some of those, like the budgetary process, can be messy. Incumbents get pinned down for policy; challengers can usually get away with talking out of both sides of their mouths, at least early, perhaps saying one thing in Vermont and another in Wyoming or saying one thing at the Sierra Club and another at a convention of the American Petroleum Institute.

But it is an average. That depends on an average incumbent against an average challenger. Some incumbents won by piecing together coalitions that cannot endure for four years (prime example -- Jimmy Carter); sometimes the challengers are unusually weak (McGovern) and sometimes they are unusually strong (Clinton). Incumbents run on their records and win or run from their records and lose. Challengers usually run on the weaknesses of the records of incumbents.  For good reason eight of thirteen incumbent Presidents running for re-election beginning in 2000 got re-elected, which isn't a random result.   

What I just said in the preceding paragraph is mush. The story of the 2012 election is far from written. If I say that the President has roughly a 60% chance of re-election, then that is consistent with "8 of 13".

 



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on October 27, 2011, 10:29:51 AM
I guess we just disagree on the facts.

Let's look at Gallup approval ratings of all presidents starting with Truman eligible to seek re-election, and see how they did versus the 1st quarter Gallup approval ratings in the year of their (potential) re-election:

Gallup approval ratings - Last poll in 1st quarter of (potential) re-election year:

Sorted from most popular 1st quarter of the election year to least popular:

Presidents Over 50% - Every single one re-elected

Eisenhower 1956 - 1st Quarter approval - 1956 => Low to mid 70s approval => Re-elected

Johnson 1964 - 1st Quarter 1964 => mid 70s approval => Re-elected

Reagan 1984 - 1st Quarter 1984 => 54%  => reelected

Nixon 1972 - 1st Quarter 1972 => 53% approval => Re-elected

GW Bush - 1st Quarter 2004 = 53% approval => Re-elected

Clinton 1996 - 1st Quarter 1996 = 52% approval => Re-elected


President who polled 46% to 50% in 1st Quarter lost very narrowly

Ford 1976 1st Quarter 1976 => 50% approval => Very Narrowly defeated


Presidents Below 50% - Every single one defeated or choose not to seek re-election

Obama - Fall 2011 - 43% +/- - Result TBA

GHW Bush - 1st Quarter 1992 = 41% => Defeated

Carter 1980 - 1st Quarter 1980 => 39%  => defeated

Johnson 1968 - 1st quarter 36% approval => Choose not to seek re-election

Truman 1952 - 1st Quarter 1952 - 36% approval => Choose not to seek re-election




Hmmm..

The 50% rule in the 1st quarter of the election year has gone 11 for 11 and predicted re-election (or not) with 100% accuracy in every presidential election since Truman....

Naturally, "Rules of thumb" work perfectly till they don't work anymore, but that being said:

The "50%" rule was not pulled out the air, it has a solid historical basis....

If you think Obama's 43% gets him 4 more years you are... at odds with the historical data...











Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 27, 2011, 11:53:43 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43%, u.

Disapprove 55%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 19%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +2.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 27, 2011, 01:05:39 PM
I guess we just disagree on the facts.

Let's look at Gallup approval ratings of all presidents starting with Truman eligible to seek re-election, and see how they did versus the 1st quarter Gallup approval ratings in the year of their (potential) re-election:

Gallup approval ratings - Last poll in 1st quarter of (potential) re-election year:

Sorted from most popular 1st quarter of the election year to least popular:

Presidents Over 50% - Every single one re-elected

Eisenhower 1956 - 1st Quarter approval - 1956 => Low to mid 70s approval => Re-elected

Johnson 1964 - 1st Quarter 1964 => mid 70s approval => Re-elected

Reagan 1984 - 1st Quarter 1984 => 54%  => reelected

Nixon 1972 - 1st Quarter 1972 => 53% approval => Re-elected

GW Bush - 1st Quarter 2004 = 53% approval => Re-elected

Clinton 1996 - 1st Quarter 1996 = 52% approval => Re-elected


President who polled 46% to 50% in 1st Quarter lost very narrowly

Ford 1976 1st Quarter 1976 => 50% approval => Very Narrowly defeated


Presidents Below 50% - Every single one defeated or choose not to seek re-election

Obama - Fall 2011 - 43% +/- - Result TBA

GHW Bush - 1st Quarter 1992 = 41% => Defeated

Carter 1980 - 1st Quarter 1980 => 39%  => defeated

Johnson 1968 - 1st quarter 36% approval => Choose not to seek re-election

Truman 1948 - 1st Quarter 1948 - 36% approval => Choose not to seek re-election




Hmmm..

The 50% rule in the 1st quarter of the election year has gone 11 for 11 and predicted re-election (or not) with 100% accuracy in every presidential election since Truman....

Naturally, "Rules of thumb" work perfectly till they don't work anymore, but that being said:

The "50%" rule was not pulled out the air, it has a solid historical basis....

If you think Obama's 43% gets him 4 more years you are... at odds with the historical data...



You have "Truman 1948" confused with "Truman 1952".

The President's low approval ratings relate to (1) the putrid economy, and (2) the unwillingness of the Republicans in Congress to allow him to pass any legislation. Republicans still have culpability for the economy, and the latter probably explains why Congress has such a putrid approval rating of its own.

The polls are also jumping up and down, depending upon recent events.

No Presidential election has ever gotten so much early attention as this one. Republican challengers to the President have placed themselves in the spotlight early. Ordinarily the people running against an incumbent President don't get the attention that they do now. As an example, Barack Obama was not particularly well-known a year before he was elected. But now, Mitt Romney, Herman Cain, Michele Bachmann, Newt Gingrich, and Sarah Palin are very well  known. I would say that they are all better known than... Luis Pujols. 

Barack Obama is clearly not so awful that just about anyone could beat him. Were he that awful, you would see matchups like Palin 55, Obama 41 all over the map.  I look at recent polls in Ohio and see President Obama up by 4% over Romney and bigger over everyone else. A 4% gap hardly looks insurmountable because it isn't. It will be just as possible for the President to extend that gap as for Romney to cut into it. When it comes to the likes of Perry, Palin, and Bachmann they had their chances.

The Republican challengers to the President have exposed their positions early. That implies that the President's campaign has plenty of time in which to formulate a negative campaign against any candidate who talks out of both sides of his mouth. Someone who poses as a moderate yet cuts deals with extremists to the offense of moderate sensibilities will be nailed for that in due time.

Americans are getting more frustrated with politics. The Tea Party offered a solution -- and that solution isn't exactly chamomile.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on October 27, 2011, 01:55:10 PM



The only poll that is semi-meaningful right now is Obama's "deserves to be re-elected" and/or Obama versus the mythical generic republican.

Obama's getting low 40s on both of these.  Not good, but not dead in the water either.  I would call it somewhat to the darker side of the grey area at this point.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Politico on October 27, 2011, 05:03:40 PM
He has a chance just like the Indianapolis Colts still have a chance of winning the Super Bowl this year.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on October 27, 2011, 07:17:07 PM
He has a chance just like the Indianapolis Colts still have a chance of winning the Super Bowl this year.

Hey Peyton could come back, and they could go 9 in a row, and 9-7 could get them into the playoffs

And the economy could turn around, and Obamacare might actually save money, and ........


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on October 27, 2011, 09:20:55 PM
He has a chance just like the Indianapolis Colts still have a chance of winning the Super Bowl this year.

Hey Peyton could come back, and they could go 9 in a row, and 9-7 could get them into the playoffs

And the economy could turn around, and Obamacare might actually save money, and ........


.....and you might finally get a girl

Fuck off.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Professor on October 27, 2011, 09:25:43 PM
He has a chance just like the Indianapolis Colts still have a chance of winning the Super Bowl this year.

Hey Peyton could come back, and they could go 9 in a row, and 9-7 could get them into the playoffs

And the economy could turn around, and Obamacare might actually save money, and ........


.....and you might finally get a girl

Fuck off.

You can't talk to me that way. I'm going to have to report you and your vulgar, virgin mouth to the dean. Unless of course you apologize to me right this instant. I'm not the type of person to hold grudges.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on October 27, 2011, 09:29:05 PM
He has a chance just like the Indianapolis Colts still have a chance of winning the Super Bowl this year.

Hey Peyton could come back, and they could go 9 in a row, and 9-7 could get them into the playoffs

And the economy could turn around, and Obamacare might actually save money, and ........


.....and you might finally get a girl

Fuck off.

You can't talk to me that way. I'm going to have to report you and your vulgar, virgin mouth to the dean. Unless of course you apologize to me right this instant. I'm not the type of person to hold grudges.

Ok, sorry.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Zarn on October 28, 2011, 09:26:00 AM
Get a room... ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 28, 2011, 03:57:59 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, +1.

Disapprove 54%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 20%,+1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 29, 2011, 08:39:33 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, +2.

Disapprove 52%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%,+1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.

Either a bad sample, or Obama is improving.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 30, 2011, 09:52:11 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 53%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%,+2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

If this is a bad sample, we should see Obama's numbers drop tomorrow or Tuesday, especially the Strongly Approve numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 30, 2011, 03:45:09 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 53%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%,+2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

If this is a bad sample, we should see Obama's numbers drop tomorrow or Tuesday, especially the Strongly Approve numbers.


Qaddafi dead, announced pull-out from Iraq, lower unemployment numbers... those can only help the President's approval rating.

This is a good starting position before the campaign season begins in earnest for he President -- if he can have it in April. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 31, 2011, 08:44:49 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -1.

Disapprove 54%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 31, 2011, 12:59:29 PM


Qaddafi dead, announced pull-out from Iraq, lower unemployment numbers... those can only help the President's approval rating.

This is a good starting position before the campaign season begins in earnest for he President -- if he can have it in April. 

I think you are grandly over reading Libya.  Unemployment dropped slightly, but not nearly enough.  Iraq only helps if it is stable, and it's too early to tell.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 31, 2011, 01:24:03 PM


Qaddafi dead, announced pull-out from Iraq, lower unemployment numbers... those can only help the President's approval rating.

This is a good starting position before the campaign season begins in earnest for he President -- if he can have it in April. 

I think you are grandly over reading Libya.  Unemployment dropped slightly, but not nearly enough.  Iraq only helps if it is stable, and it's too early to tell.

Less significant singly than Osama bin Laden being whacked. But put them together and that destroys one of the early raps on the President -- that he would be indecisive and ineffective on matters of defense and diplomacy.

The economy? "Bad but improving" is far better than "mediocre but shaky" as it was six years ago, let alone in free-fall where it was three years ago. So the President campaigns on "The job is not done, and I need your help because Congress won't do anything".

I see him running a Truman 1948 campaign and winning on it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Peeperkorn on October 31, 2011, 01:32:35 PM
Europeans organized the coup d'etat in Libya. Obama had nothing to do with it.

Pbrower, your fangirlish love for Obama is kind of sick. I can see you fapping for any poll that shows approval ratings one or two points up. But take it easy, this is just a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 31, 2011, 02:17:55 PM
Europeans organized the coup d'etat in Libya. Obama had nothing to do with it.

Pbrower, your fangirlish love for Obama is kind of sick. I can see you fapping for any poll that shows approval ratings one or two points up. But take it easy, this is just a bad sample.

Coup? That was a popular revolution. That organization had a hidden hand. NATO never acts so firmly, decisively, and fearlessly without the implicit consent of the United States and its leadership.

I do not love President Obama. He is simply the best leader that we could have at this time. I have seen his approval ratings go up and down, and this time I could see a reason. My favorite analogue for this President is paradoxically that of Ronald Reagan, not my favorite President.
   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 31, 2011, 03:33:01 PM


Less significant singly than Osama bin Laden being whacked. But put them together and that destroys one of the early raps on the President -- that he would be indecisive and ineffective on matters of defense and diplomacy.

This won't be about the early raps (and I strongly approve of Obama's role in Libya).

Quote
The economy? "Bad but improving" is far better than "mediocre but shaky" as it was six years ago, let alone in free-fall where it was three years ago. So the President campaigns on "The job is not done, and I need your help because Congress won't do anything".

I see him running a Truman 1948 campaign and winning on it.

Bad, and getting worse.  It has to improve substantially to be a plus.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President von Cat on October 31, 2011, 05:12:35 PM
I'm not sold that it is getting worse anymore. Growth in Q3 was way, waaay better than anyone predicted, and undercut the doom and gloomers who predicted a recession in 2012. For there to be a recession in 2012, growth will have to collapse now (Q4) and also in Q1, or in Q1 and Q2. It could still happen I guess, in Q1, but I'm not seeing it for the current quarter.

It seems we are reverting back to the 2009-2010 narrative, that the economy is slowly improving and that the unemployment rate is dropping at an agonizingly slow rate. At the time of the 2010 midterm elections, the rate was at 10.x%; it will likely not be above 8.5% for election day 2012 if we continue to see growth rates of 2.5%-3% per quarter like we just had.

Things can change so quickly. A month and a half ago, people were screaming recession and the trend was deficit reduction. Now we are seeing better than expected nuts and bolts figures, and the conversation has shifted back to territory that favors Democrats: income inequality and a lack of economic security. Meanwhile, Obama's numbers are returning to their pre-debt crisis mid-40s levels and Mitt Romney is beginning to look less and less like a presidential contender. If I was the President, I'd feel much better about my chances than I would have on September 31. Lets just keep in perspective how transient a few good and bad weeks can be.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on October 31, 2011, 05:23:03 PM
I'm not sold that it is getting worse anymore. Growth in Q3 was way, waaay better than anyone predicted, and undercut the doom and gloomers who predicted a recession in 2012. For there to be a recession in 2012, growth will have to collapse now (Q4) and also in Q1, or in Q1 and Q2. It could still happen I guess, in Q1, but I'm not seeing it for the current quarter.

since when have I been labeled a doom and gloomer?  and how does a rearview snapshot of 2011Q3 growth undercut forward projections of a recession in 2012?  (for the record, ECRI is predicted negative GDP growth by 2012Q1)
 
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It seems we are reverting back to the 2009-2010 narrative, that the economy is slowly improving and that the unemployment rate is dropping at an agonizingly slow rate. At the time of the 2010 midterm elections, the rate was at 10.x%; it will likely not be above 8.5% for election day 2012 if we continue to see growth rates of 2.5%-3% per quarter like we just had.

try 9.6


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President von Cat on October 31, 2011, 06:00:06 PM
By doom and gloomers, was speaking more towards Nouriel Roubini than you, jmfcstabcdefg. But yeah, you're right - unemployment was down from its peak by election day 2010 - I stand corrected.

We still very well could have negative growth in Q1 2012, but Q4 should be somewhat decent, which makes it hard to see what will cause the trend to change. I feel better about the economy than I did a few months back.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on October 31, 2011, 11:08:31 PM
We still very well could have negative growth in Q1 2012, but Q4 should be somewhat decent, which makes it hard to see what will cause the trend to change. I feel better about the economy than I did a few months back.

half the uptick in Q3 was due to increase spending on electricity (due to the heat wave) and medical services...and real personal income decreased by 1.7% in Q3 after increasing 0.6% in Q2

so, it really doesnt matter if GDP increased by 1% or 2.5% or 5% in Q3...the report sucked and had very little in it that was sustainable for growth and job creation.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 01, 2011, 09:42:40 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, -1.

Disapprove 55%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.


The bad sample worked its way through the numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Peeperkorn on November 02, 2011, 06:06:25 AM


Qaddafi dead, announced pull-out from Iraq, lower unemployment numbers... those can only help the President's approval rating.

 

Jajajaja.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 02, 2011, 09:28:28 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, u.

Disapprove 55%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 20%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.


Not much movement.

We are reaching a point where the Gallup numbers will become important.  If, beginning next week, Obama starts dropping below 40% and stays there on the weekly numbers, it is probably over.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Professor on November 02, 2011, 11:29:37 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

We are reaching a point where the Gallup numbers will become important.  If, beginning next week, Obama starts dropping below 40% and stays there on the weekly numbers, it is probably over.

How right you are my lumpy little student. November 7th is "Official Gallup Becomes Important Day".


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 02, 2011, 12:20:58 PM
Numbers seem to move up to the 50% barrier, slowly:

Gallup today: 45-48 (+2, -2)

Quinnipiac: 47-49 (+6, -6)

"Disapprove" has now dropped below 50% again on the RCP average:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 03, 2011, 09:17:27 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, +2.

Disapprove 53%, -3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 20%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on November 03, 2011, 11:27:37 AM
Obama Average Approval Rating October 2011 (Gallup):

41% Approve

51% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Roosevelt: 62/37 (October 1939)

Truman: No poll (October 1947) AND 29/55 (October 1951)

Eisenhower: No poll (October 1955)

Kennedy: 58/29 (October 1963)

Johnson: 40/50 (October 1967)

Nixon: 51/38 (October 1971)

Ford: 47/39 (October 1975)

Cater: 30/57 (October 1979)

Reagan: 47/43 (October 1983)

Bush I: 65/28 (October 1991)

Clinton: 48/41 (October 1995)

Bush II: 55/41 (October 2003)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on November 03, 2011, 12:58:06 PM
National

Obama Job Approval
41% Approve, 52% Disapprove (chart)
Economy: 31 / 58 (chart)
Health Care: 36 / 52 (chart)

Congressional Job Approval
9% Approve, 68% Disapprove (chart)

State of the Country
13% Right Direction, 71% Wrong Track

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/20111101econToplines.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 04, 2011, 09:22:36 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, -2.

Disapprove 56%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 19%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 04, 2011, 01:29:30 PM
Kentucky (SurveyUSA):

34% Approve
57% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=d7d2b4dd-3732-4e1e-b723-676c4bfb3ce0

North Carolina (Elon):

43% Approve
47% Disapprove

http://www.elon.edu/e-web/elonpoll/110411.xhtml

Maine (PPP):

47% Approve
48% Disapprove

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/11/obama-under-water-in-maine.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yank2133 on November 04, 2011, 01:53:51 PM
NC numbers are not bad giving the state of the economy.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 05, 2011, 01:51:59 AM
Virginia (Old Dominion University):

46% Approve
53% Disapprove

http://hamptonroads.com/2011/11/poll-virginians-trust-state-leaders-little-faith-dc


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 05, 2011, 05:46:53 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, +2.

Disapprove 53%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -2.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on November 05, 2011, 07:26:44 PM
Interesting that VA would mirror the nation as a whole, assuming that poll is worth something (and I'm not).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on November 05, 2011, 07:54:03 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, u.

Disapprove 55%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 20%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.


Not much movement.

We are reaching a point where the Gallup numbers will become important.  If, beginning next week, Obama starts dropping below 40% and stays there on the weekly numbers, it is probably over.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 06, 2011, 10:34:21 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -1.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.

The strongly approve number is higher that its been for about six weeks.  It has not been higher since August.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on November 06, 2011, 11:08:38 AM
no more polls of surveyUSA?? CA?WA?KS?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 06, 2011, 01:33:41 PM
no more polls of surveyUSA?? CA?WA?KS?

No, there have been no October polls.

Maybe they have dropped them, because they were utterly ridiculous.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 07, 2011, 09:41:18 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47%, +2.
Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, -2.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 07, 2011, 12:04:54 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 47%, +2.
Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, -2.

Thanks, here is the link:  http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on November 08, 2011, 11:33:11 AM
A mild Obama bump in the polls...

Doing an apples to apples comparison and taking the current RCP average versus the same poll from (about) a month ago.....

Rasmussen Reports 11/5 - 11/7 1500 LV 45 54 -9 (Unchanged at -9 versus October 1st)

Gallup 11/4 - 11/6 1500 A 43 50 -7 (Unchanged at -7 from October 1st)

NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl  44 51 -7 (unchanged at-7 net as Oct 10th poll)

ABC News/Wash Post 10/31 - 11/3 1004 A 44 53 -9 (Gain of 3 % net from October 2nd poll)

Reuters/Ipsos 10/31 - 11/3 1106 A 49 50 -1 (gain of 2% from October 10th poll)

Quinnipiac 10/25 - 10/31 2294 RV 47 49 -2 (Gain of 12% from October 3rd poll)

FOX News 10/23 - 10/25 904 RV 43 50 -7 (Gain of 1% from September 27th poll)

How does the Sesame Street song go... "One of these things, is not like the others....."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 08, 2011, 11:36:00 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -2.

Disapprove 54%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, +1.

I am going to be very busy in the next week; could someone else get this.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 09, 2011, 11:24:38 AM
Ayres, McHenry & Associates (R):

50% Approve
47% Disapprove

Results are based on 1000 weighted cases, Margin of Error = ±3.10 percent. Totals may not equal 100 percent due to rounding.

http://www.resurgentrepublic.com/system/assets/436/original/RR_Nov_2011_Year_Out_Toplines.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on November 10, 2011, 10:00:36 AM
Rasmussen

Strong Approval:      22%
Strong Disapproval:  40%

Total Approval:         45%
Total Disapproval:     53%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on November 10, 2011, 11:41:26 AM
Ayres, McHenry & Associates (R):

50% Approve
47% Disapprove

Results are based on 1000 weighted cases, Margin of Error = ±3.10 percent. Totals may not equal 100 percent due to rounding.

http://www.resurgentrepublic.com/system/assets/436/original/RR_Nov_2011_Year_Out_Toplines.pdf

An interesting poll.

They ask the "approval question" quite deep into the survey after having presented the GOP and Dem positions on a variety of issues.

Because of this, this poll is "kinda" a very mild version of a "push poll" - I am not saying this in a negative way BTW, in campaigns it is standard procedure to present a variety of issues and see if the presentation of these issues impacts the "horse race question" as a way of testing campaign themes.

Given that it has been quite a while since Obama has a net positive approval rating in any poll, this poll suggests, at least as presented in this survey, that Obama can make up a bit of ground "on the issues" and that the policy issues , at least as framed in this poll,  are more popular than he is personally.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 10, 2011, 12:09:48 PM
CA (Rasmussen):

49% Approve
48% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/california/california_obama_45_generic_republican_41

FL (Rasmussen):

47% Approve
52% Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/florida/in_florida_obama_trails_generic_republican_by_six

...

Missouri Senate numbers out later today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 10, 2011, 01:57:37 PM
Ayres, McHenry & Associates (R):

50% Approve
47% Disapprove

Results are based on 1000 weighted cases, Margin of Error = ±3.10 percent. Totals may not equal 100 percent due to rounding.

http://www.resurgentrepublic.com/system/assets/436/original/RR_Nov_2011_Year_Out_Toplines.pdf

An interesting poll.

They ask the "approval question" quite deep into the survey after having presented the GOP and Dem positions on a variety of issues.

Because of this, this poll is "kinda" a very mild version of a "push poll" - I am not saying this in a negative way BTW, in campaigns it is standard procedure to present a variety of issues and see if the presentation of these issues impacts the "horse race question" as a way of testing campaign themes.

Given that it has been quite a while since Obama has a net positive approval rating in any poll, this poll suggests, at least as presented in this survey, that Obama can make up a bit of ground "on the issues" and that the policy issues , at least as framed in this poll,  are more popular than he is personally.



The President is doing fine on everything but the economy.  Of course, it is questionable that anyone can get the sort of results that most of us want... fast. Only a fool believes that the President can win re-election on  inertia alone. So there is a little good news... maybe not enough. Of course, Hoover was a fine President on about everything but economic performance.

Some Republican could offer a "secret fifteen-point plan for growing our way out of the Obama Depression", and if people are desperate enough they will fall for it. The best thing about some such plans is that there is no plan; second-best would be that it would be fifteen trivialities. The worst thing about such a plan is that there might be good reasons for keeping its contents secret. Almost nobody wants a huge reduction in living standards for himself so that someone far away and far better-off can get richer.

 

     


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on November 10, 2011, 04:24:43 PM
Ayres, McHenry & Associates (R):

50% Approve
47% Disapprove

Results are based on 1000 weighted cases, Margin of Error = ±3.10 percent. Totals may not equal 100 percent due to rounding.

http://www.resurgentrepublic.com/system/assets/436/original/RR_Nov_2011_Year_Out_Toplines.pdf

An interesting poll.

They ask the "approval question" quite deep into the survey after having presented the GOP and Dem positions on a variety of issues.

Because of this, this poll is "kinda" a very mild version of a "push poll" - I am not saying this in a negative way BTW, in campaigns it is standard procedure to present a variety of issues and see if the presentation of these issues impacts the "horse race question" as a way of testing campaign themes.

Given that it has been quite a while since Obama has a net positive approval rating in any poll, this poll suggests, at least as presented in this survey, that Obama can make up a bit of ground "on the issues" and that the policy issues , at least as framed in this poll,  are more popular than he is personally.

I think this should have been obvious by looking at how well Hillary Clinton does in head to head match ups against the Republican field. Not a lot of polls have come out with that match up though, but it's still very interesting.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on November 10, 2011, 04:46:37 PM

The President is doing fine on everything but the economy.
    

And last night Rick Perry did just fine, other than that one question.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loBe0WXtts8


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 11, 2011, 09:47:52 AM
Rasmussen:

46% Approve (+1)
53% Disapprove (nc)

23% Strongly Approve (+1)
40% Strongly Disapprove (nc)

New data will be released today for specific presidential match-ups in Missouri and a generic match-up in Ohio.

...

Oh come on Scott, dump these stupid "generic matchups" and poll real matchups in different states instead ... :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 11, 2011, 04:52:09 PM
Ohio (Rasmussen):

46% Approve
54% Disapprove

Ohio voters currently favor a Generic Republican over the president by a 46% to 41% margin. Four percent (4%) prefer a third option, while 10% are undecided.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/ohio/election_2012_ohio_generic_presidential_ballot


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 12, 2011, 11:24:17 AM
JJ seems to be absent, so:

Rasmussen:

47% Approve (+1)
52% Disapprove (-1)

22% Strongly Approve (-1)
39% Strongly Disapprove (-1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 13, 2011, 09:43:00 AM
JJ seems to be absent, so:

Rasmussen:

48% Approve (+1)
51% Disapprove (-1)

22% Strongly Approve (nc)
38% Strongly Disapprove (-1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on November 13, 2011, 09:51:09 AM
JJ seems to be absent, so:

Rasmussen:

48% Approve (+1)
51% Disapprove (-1)

22% Strongly Approve (nc)
38% Strongly Disapprove (-1)

Could BHO be above water by next Sunday, or atleast have broke even for a day or so, do we think?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 13, 2011, 07:46:08 PM
I'll try to get back tomorrow.

Obama was at 43% on Gallup, which is survivable. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 14, 2011, 09:51:38 AM
JJ seems to be absent, so:

Rasmussen:

48% Approve (+1)
51% Disapprove (-1)

22% Strongly Approve (nc)
38% Strongly Disapprove (-1)

Could BHO be above water by next Sunday, or atleast have broke even for a day or so, do we think?

You got it right:

Rasmussen:

50% Approve (+2)
49% Disapprove (-2)

23% Strongly Approve (+1)
38% Strongly Disapprove (nc)

"That’s the first time since June that the president has reached the 50% mark."

New numbers for a match-up with former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and President Obama will be released today at noon Eastern.

Tomorrow, we will release updated numbers on a match-up between Herman Cain and the president.

Numbers for Pennsylvania will be released today at 1:00 p.m. Eastern.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on November 14, 2011, 10:01:01 AM
Huh. Obama seems to be on an upward trend, although Rasmussen (of all pollsters!) have him a few points higher than everyone else.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on November 14, 2011, 12:49:57 PM
Rasmussen's poll today is the first poll (from any firm) to find Obama with positive national approvals since July.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President von Cat on November 15, 2011, 05:19:37 AM
I'm not really sure what is fueling Obama's uptick. Messaging on the jobs bill? Support for ending the Iraq war? Warm and fuzzy holiday goodyfeelings?

The economy sucks, yet Obama rises to 50%. Just seems counter intuitive.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Angel of Death on November 15, 2011, 08:24:45 AM
It could be that people's opinion about the state of the GOP primary is subconsciously influencing their approval of Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on November 15, 2011, 08:27:12 AM
It could be that people's opinion about the state of the GOP primary is subconsciously influencing their approval of Obama.

yep...the Cain scandal is helping Obama...and Libya


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on November 15, 2011, 04:31:24 PM
I'm not really sure what is fueling Obama's uptick. Messaging on the jobs bill? Support for ending the Iraq war? Warm and fuzzy holiday goodyfeelings?

The economy sucks, yet Obama rises to 50%. Just seems counter intuitive.

Better than expected economic data keeps happening (it's not that much better but an improvement is an improvement), Libya, and a pathetic GOP field works well in his favor.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on November 15, 2011, 05:01:27 PM
The jobs act is also very popular, and the GOP's continued obstruction of it is a clear contrast between the two parties.

Note that the Dems have also opened up a lead over the GOP on the generic ballot.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 15, 2011, 06:38:45 PM
PPP isn't charitable to the President in its most recent approval rating:

Quote
National Survey Results

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?
Approve .......................................................... 45%
Disapprove...................................................... 51%
Not sure .......................................................... 4%

...but he can apparently win against this:

Quote
Q7 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of Mitt Romney?
Favorable........................................................ 36%
Unfavorable .................................................... 50%

or others even less ready for prime time:

Quote
Q8 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Michele Bachmann, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 50%
Michele Bachmann ......................................... 39%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

Q9 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Herman Cain, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 48%
Herman Cain................................................... 41%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

Q10 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican
Newt Gingrich, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 49%
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 43%
Undecided....................................................... 8%

Q11 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Ron
Paul, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 47%
Ron Paul ......................................................... 41%
Undecided....................................................... 13%
Not sure .......................................................... 14%

Q12 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Rick
Perry, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 49%
Rick Perry ....................................................... 39%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

Q13 If the candidates for President next year were
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Barack Obama................................................ 46%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 43%
Undecided....................................................... 11%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_US_1115513.pdf

With such high disapproval for the President and low valuation of the competence of challengers, I can expect that a large number of  potential voters either

(1) will not vote for any nominee
(2) will make their decisions based on something random, like a coin toss
(3) will vote for a third-party candidate
(4) will vote based upon their partisan affiliation

...all of which suggest a wash.

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 16, 2011, 12:55:41 PM
Wisconsin (St. Norbert College – Wisconsin Public Radio):

53% Approve
43% Disapprove

Gov. Walker

38% Approve
58% Disapprove

http://wpr.org/announce/survey1111/2011f-survey-1.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on November 16, 2011, 01:23:07 PM
Rasmussen [11/16/11]:

Strong Approval:     23%
Strong Disapproval: 42%

-19%


Overall approval:

Approve:      47%
Disapprove: 53%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on November 16, 2011, 01:31:14 PM
In looking the the day to day numbers, it's easy to think you see trends that are not really there.

If you do an apples to apples comparison (ie track the changes within the same poll) there seems to be a whole lot less noise...
()

Essentially, versus a month ago, Obama's average disapproval is virtually unchanged, and his approval is up, on average, about 1%.

These changes are so small that "statistical noise" is my first guess. followed by "perhaps a very modest rise" in second place.....



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on November 16, 2011, 06:36:56 PM
Michigan: President Tied With Generic Republican

As President Obama seeks re-election, a couple of traditionally Democratic states may be more competitive than usual.

In 2008, the president won Michigan’s Electoral College votes by sixteen percentage points but most Michigan voters now disapprove of the way he’s handled his tenure in the White House. Just 47% of Likely Voters in the state approve of the way that the president is performing his job, while 52% disapprove, according to new Rasmussen Reports polling data.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on November 16, 2011, 06:41:30 PM
Michigan: President Tied With Generic Republican

As President Obama seeks re-election, a couple of traditionally Democratic states may be more competitive than usual.

In 2008, the president won Michigan’s Electoral College votes by sixteen percentage points but most Michigan voters now disapprove of the way he’s handled his tenure in the White House. Just 47% of Likely Voters in the state approve of the way that the president is performing his job, while 52% disapprove, according to new Rasmussen Reports polling data.

You really need to get a grip...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 17, 2011, 06:10:28 AM
Michigan: President Tied With Generic Republican

As President Obama seeks re-election, a couple of traditionally Democratic states may be more competitive than usual.

In 2008, the president won Michigan’s Electoral College votes by sixteen percentage points but most Michigan voters now disapprove of the way he’s handled his tenure in the White House. Just 47% of Likely Voters in the state approve of the way that the president is performing his job, while 52% disapprove, according to new Rasmussen Reports polling data.

"Generic Republican" will go into hibernation as winter approaches its end and won't re-emerge until after the 2012 election is over. In Michigan "Generic Republican" means former Governor William Milliken or the late George Romney -- not James DeMint or Michele Bachmann.

Michigan will be decided, in any event, on voter turnout. The Democrats are going to try to get as many union members, Hispanics, and African-Americans   out to vote, and if they are successful the Democrats are going to make Michigan in 2012 look politically much like Michigan in 2008.   Michigan is politically much like either Minnesota or Wisconsin except with far more blacks -- or basically with Detroit instead of the Twin Cities or Milwaukee. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on November 17, 2011, 12:33:28 PM
Rasmussen [11/17/11]:

Strong Approval:      20%
Strong Disapproval:  44%


Overall Approval:      44%
Overall Disapproval:  56%

Strong disapproval approaching danger zone again.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on November 17, 2011, 05:23:56 PM
...or a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on November 17, 2011, 07:24:53 PM

The day Obama hit +1 in Rasmussen the sample jumped up a net 5% in one day, and three days later it drops 6% as that sample rolls off....

The "strong approve" dropping 5% looks like a bad sample on the low side...

Rasmussen's use of "likely voters" about a year out adds artificial volatility to things because "likely voters" a year out bounce around far more that they do close into an election....

There is no perfect methodology, they all have warts, this is just the set of warts Rasmussen has chosen...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 17, 2011, 10:23:37 PM

The day Obama hit +1 in Rasmussen the sample jumped up a net 5% in one day, and three days later it drops 6% as that sample rolls off....

The "strong approve" dropping 5% looks like a bad sample on the low side...

Rasmussen's use of "likely voters" about a year out adds artificial volatility to things because "likely voters" a year out bounce around far more that they do close into an election....

There is no perfect methodology, they all have warts, this is just the set of warts Rasmussen has chosen...

Nobody can predict who the 'likely voters' are.  Some of the 'likely voters' will die or go senile and not vote.  Some who newly register to vote may be excited about casting their first vote as if a rite of passage. The latter are about as likely voters as I can imagine except for those actively involved in politics.

In all fairness to Rasmussen, its "likely voters" ends up looking like the electorate in a midterm or off-year election but goes to "real voters" in a Presidential year.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on November 18, 2011, 12:20:26 AM

The day Obama hit +1 in Rasmussen the sample jumped up a net 5% in one day, and three days later it drops 6% as that sample rolls off....

The "strong approve" dropping 5% looks like a bad sample on the low side...

Rasmussen's use of "likely voters" about a year out adds artificial volatility to things because "likely voters" a year out bounce around far more that they do close into an election....

There is no perfect methodology, they all have warts, this is just the set of warts Rasmussen has chosen...

Nobody can predict who the 'likely voters' are. 

Perhaps Muon2 can enlighten you on how statistics work. "Voters" can't be predicted, but "likely voters" can. Sure, some voters that are not "likely voters" will in fact vote in the next election, and voters whom are "likely" to vote may not, but, the underlying statistical models underpinning the filter can be mathematically and empirically sound.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Miles on November 18, 2011, 01:34:39 AM
Rasmussen [11/17/11]:

Strong Approval:      20%
Strong Disapproval:  44%


Overall Approval:      44%
Overall Disapproval:  56%

Strong disapproval approaching danger zone again.

BS Bob clinging to Rasmussen numbers...what a surprise!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on November 18, 2011, 01:03:56 PM

Nobody can predict who the 'likely voters' are.  

Perhaps Muon2 can enlighten you on how statistics work. "Voters" can't be predicted, but "likely voters" can. Sure, some voters that are not "likely voters" will in fact vote in the next election, and voters whom are "likely" to vote may not, but, the underlying statistical models underpinning the filter can be mathematically and empirically sound.


There is no doubt that a "likely voter" screen is a better way to poll when you get quite close to an actual election, but one year out it's a bit vague as to how useful that screening is.

This far out, I actually like what Marist/McClatchy and Fox (Opinion Dynamics) do which is run a poll of registered voters, and then NOT slam the undecided hard for a reply.

By limiting the pool to RVs you eliminate the folks who are really unlikley to vote, and by not slamming the undecided, you get the opinion of those who are at least marginally engaged in the process enough to have an a actual opinion.

McClatchy says 43/50 => -7, which is pretty much identical to Fox's 42/48 => -6

The Gold Standard poll (HART/McINTURFF for NBC/WSJ) says 44/51 => -7 which I think is pretty close to reality.

Obama is (IMHO) is in that grey area of polling where is is clearly vulnerable, but also not dead in the water. - Obama's polling looks a lot like Bush II in the summer of 2004 (Obama is maybe a few points weaker) - weak, with a very passionate and intense core of opposition, but also a base that is "hanging in there" and likely facing a challenger in the General election that is less than optimal....

Assuming the Obama folks can bury any ethics scandals, and assuming the GOP gets a flawed candidate, Obama can still will.  It's going to be very close.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on November 18, 2011, 03:08:32 PM
If nothing out of the ordinary happens with the economy, I have a feeling Obama wins a close one. Though if Romney is the nominee, he would have a good chance of winning, but again it will be close. If Europe implodes then who knows what happens but I doubt Obama can recover from that. If the economy suddenly starts creating on average 200-300k jobs per month then Obama wins easily. If the economy creates just enough jobs for the unemployment rate to remain steady or fall very slowly, it's going to be a close one. This is the state the economy has been in for more than a year now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 18, 2011, 04:28:39 PM

Nobody can predict who the 'likely voters' are.  

Perhaps Muon2 can enlighten you on how statistics work. "Voters" can't be predicted, but "likely voters" can. Sure, some voters that are not "likely voters" will in fact vote in the next election, and voters whom are "likely" to vote may not, but, the underlying statistical models underpinning the filter can be mathematically and empirically sound.


There is no doubt that a "likely voter" screen is a better way to poll when you get quite close to an actual election, but one year out it's a bit vague as to how useful that screening is.

This far out, I actually like what Marist/McClatchy and Fox (Opinion Dynamics) do which is run a poll of registered voters, and then NOT slam the undecided hard for a reply.

By limiting the pool to RVs you eliminate the folks who are really unlikley to vote, and by not slamming the undecided, you get the opinion of those who are at least marginally engaged in the process enough to have an a actual opinion.

McClatchy says 43/50 => -7, which is pretty much identical to Fox's 42/48 => -6

The Gold Standard poll (HART/McINTURFF for NBC/WSJ) says 44/51 => -7 which I think is pretty close to reality.

Obama is (IMHO) is in that grey area of polling where is is clearly vulnerable, but also not dead in the water. - Obama's polling looks a lot like Bush II in the summer of 2004 (Obama is maybe a few points weaker) - weak, with a very passionate and intense core of opposition, but also a base that is "hanging in there" and likely facing a challenger in the General election that is less than optimal....

Assuming the Obama folks can bury any ethics scandals, and assuming the GOP gets a flawed candidate, Obama can still will.  It's going to be very close.


President Obama is indeed cooked if...

(1) The Republicans find a really-strong, moderate opponent. A RINO could beat him... or a conservative capable of allaying concerns about whether the GOP agenda would be nothing more than All for the Few. 

(2) He has a significant and discrediting scandal that entails personal gain for raiding the public assets. If Dubya could survive Enron, then the President can survive Solyndra, the latter more a bad judgment on a business model than cronyism.

(3) He assumes that he will be re-elected so he doesn't need to campaign.

(4) The US economy goes very bad very fast.

1. The Republicans aren't running any RINO, and with the politicians that they now have they are not making significant inroads onto the "Blue Firewall" except perhaps New Hampshire -- if Mitt Romney can convince the Granite State that he is one of them.  He is up by nearly 10 points -- which is not surprising when he is much of the news in a state rarely known as a source for news.  If anything the President is consolidating a hold in Ohio, a state that the Republicans absolutely dare not lose.  This President saved the auto industry, or at least two of the Big Three.

2. There may be no scandal to cover up. If Dubya could survive Enron, this President can survive Solyndra.

3. This is a question of personality. Will he do any active campaigning? He seems to enjoy it. He built one of the finest campaign apparatuses ever in 2008 and he can get that back in operation very quickly. He has incentives because the Republican hold on the House will be shaky and the Democratic hold on the Senate looks shaky. This President anticipates trouble well and deals with it without delay.

4. Every month that passes without such happening makes such much less likely.

Americans are getting more fussy about politics altogether, which is a good thing. When it comes to voting, Americans end up grading on a curve. If the President's approval rating is 48% but the opponent has a favorability rating around 42%, then guess who wins! Should Americans be getting more fussy about politics? Without question. We recently had a horrible President, and the House of Representatives is achieving nothing.

President Obama could win the electoral vote despite being second in the popular vote.   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on November 19, 2011, 12:31:10 PM

Nobody can predict who the 'likely voters' are.  

Perhaps Muon2 can enlighten you on how statistics work. "Voters" can't be predicted, but "likely voters" can. Sure, some voters that are not "likely voters" will in fact vote in the next election, and voters whom are "likely" to vote may not, but, the underlying statistical models underpinning the filter can be mathematically and empirically sound.


There is no doubt that a "likely voter" screen is a better way to poll when you get quite close to an actual election, but one year out it's a bit vague as to how useful that screening is.

This far out, I actually like what Marist/McClatchy and Fox (Opinion Dynamics) do which is run a poll of registered voters, and then NOT slam the undecided hard for a reply.

By limiting the pool to RVs you eliminate the folks who are really unlikley to vote, and by not slamming the undecided, you get the opinion of those who are at least marginally engaged in the process enough to have an a actual opinion.

McClatchy says 43/50 => -7, which is pretty much identical to Fox's 42/48 => -6

The Gold Standard poll (HART/McINTURFF for NBC/WSJ) says 44/51 => -7 which I think is pretty close to reality.

Obama is (IMHO) is in that grey area of polling where is is clearly vulnerable, but also not dead in the water. - Obama's polling looks a lot like Bush II in the summer of 2004 (Obama is maybe a few points weaker) - weak, with a very passionate and intense core of opposition, but also a base that is "hanging in there" and likely facing a challenger in the General election that is less than optimal....

Assuming the Obama folks can bury any ethics scandals, and assuming the GOP gets a flawed candidate, Obama can still will.  It's going to be very close.


President Obama is indeed cooked if...

(1) The Republicans find a really-strong, moderate opponent. A RINO could beat him... or a conservative capable of allaying concerns about whether the GOP agenda would be nothing more than All for the Few. 

(2) He has a significant and discrediting scandal that entails personal gain for raiding the public assets. If Dubya could survive Enron, then the President can survive Solyndra, the latter more a bad judgment on a business model than cronyism.

(3) He assumes that he will be re-elected so he doesn't need to campaign.

(4) The US economy goes very bad very fast.

1. The Republicans aren't running any RINO, and with the politicians that they now have they are not making significant inroads onto the "Blue Firewall" except perhaps New Hampshire -- if Mitt Romney can convince the Granite State that he is one of them.  He is up by nearly 10 points -- which is not surprising when he is much of the news in a state rarely known as a source for news.  If anything the President is consolidating a hold in Ohio, a state that the Republicans absolutely dare not lose.  This President saved the auto industry, or at least two of the Big Three.

2. There may be no scandal to cover up. If Dubya could survive Enron, this President can survive Solyndra.

3. This is a question of personality. Will he do any active campaigning? He seems to enjoy it. He built one of the finest campaign apparatuses ever in 2008 and he can get that back in operation very quickly. He has incentives because the Republican hold on the House will be shaky and the Democratic hold on the Senate looks shaky. This President anticipates trouble well and deals with it without delay.

4. Every month that passes without such happening makes such much less likely.

Americans are getting more fussy about politics altogether, which is a good thing. When it comes to voting, Americans end up grading on a curve. If the President's approval rating is 48% but the opponent has a favorability rating around 42%, then guess who wins! Should Americans be getting more fussy about politics? Without question. We recently had a horrible President, and the House of Representatives is achieving nothing.

President Obama could win the electoral vote despite being second in the popular vote.   


Presidential elections are, by and large, a referendum on the economy. Obama is pretty much cooked unless either the economy improves [almost too late for that since perception lags reality,] or he can successfully change the subject [the economy almost always being the main subject.]

Obamanomics has been a disaster. He has created such uncertainty that unemployment is apt to remain high until after he leaves office. Let's hope for the sake of the unemployed that that is in January of 2013.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 19, 2011, 03:58:27 PM

Nobody can predict who the 'likely voters' are.  

Perhaps Muon2 can enlighten you on how statistics work. "Voters" can't be predicted, but "likely voters" can. Sure, some voters that are not "likely voters" will in fact vote in the next election, and voters whom are "likely" to vote may not, but, the underlying statistical models underpinning the filter can be mathematically and empirically sound.


There is no doubt that a "likely voter" screen is a better way to poll when you get quite close to an actual election, but one year out it's a bit vague as to how useful that screening is.

This far out, I actually like what Marist/McClatchy and Fox (Opinion Dynamics) do which is run a poll of registered voters, and then NOT slam the undecided hard for a reply.

By limiting the pool to RVs you eliminate the folks who are really unlikley to vote, and by not slamming the undecided, you get the opinion of those who are at least marginally engaged in the process enough to have an a actual opinion.

McClatchy says 43/50 => -7, which is pretty much identical to Fox's 42/48 => -6

The Gold Standard poll (HART/McINTURFF for NBC/WSJ) says 44/51 => -7 which I think is pretty close to reality.

Obama is (IMHO) is in that grey area of polling where is is clearly vulnerable, but also not dead in the water. - Obama's polling looks a lot like Bush II in the summer of 2004 (Obama is maybe a few points weaker) - weak, with a very passionate and intense core of opposition, but also a base that is "hanging in there" and likely facing a challenger in the General election that is less than optimal....

Assuming the Obama folks can bury any ethics scandals, and assuming the GOP gets a flawed candidate, Obama can still will.  It's going to be very close.


President Obama is indeed cooked if...

(1) The Republicans find a really-strong, moderate opponent. A RINO could beat him... or a conservative capable of allaying concerns about whether the GOP agenda would be nothing more than All for the Few. 

(2) He has a significant and discrediting scandal that entails personal gain for raiding the public assets. If Dubya could survive Enron, then the President can survive Solyndra, the latter more a bad judgment on a business model than cronyism.

(3) He assumes that he will be re-elected so he doesn't need to campaign.

(4) The US economy goes very bad very fast.

1. The Republicans aren't running any RINO, and with the politicians that they now have they are not making significant inroads onto the "Blue Firewall" except perhaps New Hampshire -- if Mitt Romney can convince the Granite State that he is one of them.  He is up by nearly 10 points -- which is not surprising when he is much of the news in a state rarely known as a source for news.  If anything the President is consolidating a hold in Ohio, a state that the Republicans absolutely dare not lose.  This President saved the auto industry, or at least two of the Big Three.

2. There may be no scandal to cover up. If Dubya could survive Enron, this President can survive Solyndra.

3. This is a question of personality. Will he do any active campaigning? He seems to enjoy it. He built one of the finest campaign apparatuses ever in 2008 and he can get that back in operation very quickly. He has incentives because the Republican hold on the House will be shaky and the Democratic hold on the Senate looks shaky. This President anticipates trouble well and deals with it without delay.

4. Every month that passes without such happening makes such much less likely.

Americans are getting more fussy about politics altogether, which is a good thing. When it comes to voting, Americans end up grading on a curve. If the President's approval rating is 48% but the opponent has a favorability rating around 42%, then guess who wins! Should Americans be getting more fussy about politics? Without question. We recently had a horrible President, and the House of Representatives is achieving nothing.

President Obama could win the electoral vote despite being second in the popular vote.   


Presidential elections are, by and large, a referendum on the economy. Obama is pretty much cooked unless either the economy improves [almost too late for that since perception lags reality,] or he can successfully change the subject [the economy almost always being the main subject.]

Obamanomics has been a disaster. He has created such uncertainty that unemployment is apt to remain high until after he leaves office. Let's hope for the sake of the unemployed that that is in January of 2013.

The economic realities of the Dubya era included:

1. A capital-devouring speculative bubble in real estate. This bubble collapsed when housing prices overtook any reasonable possibility of buyers having the capacity to buy houses. When the construction ended, then the jobs related to that boom also ended.

2. The gutting of manufacturing jobs due to corporate choices (with which the Right acquiesced)  to become importers instead of manufacturers. Manufacturing jobs have typically been the most reliable means out of poverty and for staying out of poverty. Rarely are they the first choices for most people -- but there are only so many professional jobs out there.

3. Extreme intensification of economic inequality. The Gini coefficient for the United States, which had been on par with European democracies in the 1970s, is now on par with countries infamous for severe disparities of wealth and poverty. Economic inequality in the US is typical of a fascist dictatorship, a kleptocracy, or an economy with feudal characteristics. In our case it is an executive elite that enriches itself by destroying competition and paring the payroll for its own compensation.

4. Huge military expenditures on wars for the profits of military contractors and the glorification of the political leadership. Those have a tendency to create jobs during a war, but as the expenditures approach an end, the wartime jobs disappear. President Obama has been getting us out of Afghanistan and Iraq, but such implies an end of a gravy train for some giant corporations and huge job losses.

The analogy to the current economy may be to the 1930s.  FDR was able to win re-election in a landslide in 1936 despite high unemployment. At this point, all that anyone can hope for is slow and continuing improvement with major reforms of the system. The Republicans got their second chance to show what they have to offer with their House majority, and they have blown it badly.

   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on November 19, 2011, 06:04:02 PM

Nobody can predict who the 'likely voters' are.  

Perhaps Muon2 can enlighten you on how statistics work. "Voters" can't be predicted, but "likely voters" can. Sure, some voters that are not "likely voters" will in fact vote in the next election, and voters whom are "likely" to vote may not, but, the underlying statistical models underpinning the filter can be mathematically and empirically sound.


There is no doubt that a "likely voter" screen is a better way to poll when you get quite close to an actual election, but one year out it's a bit vague as to how useful that screening is.

This far out, I actually like what Marist/McClatchy and Fox (Opinion Dynamics) do which is run a poll of registered voters, and then NOT slam the undecided hard for a reply.

By limiting the pool to RVs you eliminate the folks who are really unlikley to vote, and by not slamming the undecided, you get the opinion of those who are at least marginally engaged in the process enough to have an a actual opinion.

McClatchy says 43/50 => -7, which is pretty much identical to Fox's 42/48 => -6

The Gold Standard poll (HART/McINTURFF for NBC/WSJ) says 44/51 => -7 which I think is pretty close to reality.

Obama is (IMHO) is in that grey area of polling where is is clearly vulnerable, but also not dead in the water. - Obama's polling looks a lot like Bush II in the summer of 2004 (Obama is maybe a few points weaker) - weak, with a very passionate and intense core of opposition, but also a base that is "hanging in there" and likely facing a challenger in the General election that is less than optimal....

Assuming the Obama folks can bury any ethics scandals, and assuming the GOP gets a flawed candidate, Obama can still will.  It's going to be very close.


President Obama is indeed cooked if...

(1) The Republicans find a really-strong, moderate opponent. A RINO could beat him... or a conservative capable of allaying concerns about whether the GOP agenda would be nothing more than All for the Few. 

(2) He has a significant and discrediting scandal that entails personal gain for raiding the public assets. If Dubya could survive Enron, then the President can survive Solyndra, the latter more a bad judgment on a business model than cronyism.

(3) He assumes that he will be re-elected so he doesn't need to campaign.

(4) The US economy goes very bad very fast.

1. The Republicans aren't running any RINO, and with the politicians that they now have they are not making significant inroads onto the "Blue Firewall" except perhaps New Hampshire -- if Mitt Romney can convince the Granite State that he is one of them.  He is up by nearly 10 points -- which is not surprising when he is much of the news in a state rarely known as a source for news.  If anything the President is consolidating a hold in Ohio, a state that the Republicans absolutely dare not lose.  This President saved the auto industry, or at least two of the Big Three.

2. There may be no scandal to cover up. If Dubya could survive Enron, this President can survive Solyndra.

3. This is a question of personality. Will he do any active campaigning? He seems to enjoy it. He built one of the finest campaign apparatuses ever in 2008 and he can get that back in operation very quickly. He has incentives because the Republican hold on the House will be shaky and the Democratic hold on the Senate looks shaky. This President anticipates trouble well and deals with it without delay.

4. Every month that passes without such happening makes such much less likely.

Americans are getting more fussy about politics altogether, which is a good thing. When it comes to voting, Americans end up grading on a curve. If the President's approval rating is 48% but the opponent has a favorability rating around 42%, then guess who wins! Should Americans be getting more fussy about politics? Without question. We recently had a horrible President, and the House of Representatives is achieving nothing.

President Obama could win the electoral vote despite being second in the popular vote.   


Presidential elections are, by and large, a referendum on the economy. Obama is pretty much cooked unless either the economy improves [almost too late for that since perception lags reality,] or he can successfully change the subject [the economy almost always being the main subject.]

Obamanomics has been a disaster. He has created such uncertainty that unemployment is apt to remain high until after he leaves office. Let's hope for the sake of the unemployed that that is in January of 2013.

The economic realities of the Dubya era included:

1. A capital-devouring speculative bubble in real estate. This bubble collapsed when housing prices overtook any reasonable possibility of buyers having the capacity to buy houses. When the construction ended, then the jobs related to that boom also ended.

2. The gutting of manufacturing jobs due to corporate choices (with which the Right acquiesced)  to become importers instead of manufacturers. Manufacturing jobs have typically been the most reliable means out of poverty and for staying out of poverty. Rarely are they the first choices for most people -- but there are only so many professional jobs out there.

3. Extreme intensification of economic inequality. The Gini coefficient for the United States, which had been on par with European democracies in the 1970s, is now on par with countries infamous for severe disparities of wealth and poverty. Economic inequality in the US is typical of a fascist dictatorship, a kleptocracy, or an economy with feudal characteristics. In our case it is an executive elite that enriches itself by destroying competition and paring the payroll for its own compensation.

4. Huge military expenditures on wars for the profits of military contractors and the glorification of the political leadership. Those have a tendency to create jobs during a war, but as the expenditures approach an end, the wartime jobs disappear. President Obama has been getting us out of Afghanistan and Iraq, but such implies an end of a gravy train for some giant corporations and huge job losses.

The analogy to the current economy may be to the 1930s.  FDR was able to win re-election in a landslide in 1936 despite high unemployment. At this point, all that anyone can hope for is slow and continuing improvement with major reforms of the system. The Republicans got their second chance to show what they have to offer with their House majority, and they have blown it badly.

   


Have to say that if I were a Democrat I'd rather run against Bush than for Obama. Too bad for Democrats that 2012 will be a referendum on Obama's handling of the economy as much as 2008 was a referendum on the Bush's handling of the economy.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on November 19, 2011, 06:29:33 PM

Nobody can predict who the 'likely voters' are.  

Perhaps Muon2 can enlighten you on how statistics work. "Voters" can't be predicted, but "likely voters" can. Sure, some voters that are not "likely voters" will in fact vote in the next election, and voters whom are "likely" to vote may not, but, the underlying statistical models underpinning the filter can be mathematically and empirically sound.


There is no doubt that a "likely voter" screen is a better way to poll when you get quite close to an actual election, but one year out it's a bit vague as to how useful that screening is.

This far out, I actually like what Marist/McClatchy and Fox (Opinion Dynamics) do which is run a poll of registered voters, and then NOT slam the undecided hard for a reply.

By limiting the pool to RVs you eliminate the folks who are really unlikley to vote, and by not slamming the undecided, you get the opinion of those who are at least marginally engaged in the process enough to have an a actual opinion.

McClatchy says 43/50 => -7, which is pretty much identical to Fox's 42/48 => -6

The Gold Standard poll (HART/McINTURFF for NBC/WSJ) says 44/51 => -7 which I think is pretty close to reality.

Obama is (IMHO) is in that grey area of polling where is is clearly vulnerable, but also not dead in the water. - Obama's polling looks a lot like Bush II in the summer of 2004 (Obama is maybe a few points weaker) - weak, with a very passionate and intense core of opposition, but also a base that is "hanging in there" and likely facing a challenger in the General election that is less than optimal....

Assuming the Obama folks can bury any ethics scandals, and assuming the GOP gets a flawed candidate, Obama can still will.  It's going to be very close.


President Obama is indeed cooked if...

(1) The Republicans find a really-strong, moderate opponent. A RINO could beat him... or a conservative capable of allaying concerns about whether the GOP agenda would be nothing more than All for the Few. 

(2) He has a significant and discrediting scandal that entails personal gain for raiding the public assets. If Dubya could survive Enron, then the President can survive Solyndra, the latter more a bad judgment on a business model than cronyism.

(3) He assumes that he will be re-elected so he doesn't need to campaign.

(4) The US economy goes very bad very fast.

1. The Republicans aren't running any RINO, and with the politicians that they now have they are not making significant inroads onto the "Blue Firewall" except perhaps New Hampshire -- if Mitt Romney can convince the Granite State that he is one of them.  He is up by nearly 10 points -- which is not surprising when he is much of the news in a state rarely known as a source for news.  If anything the President is consolidating a hold in Ohio, a state that the Republicans absolutely dare not lose.  This President saved the auto industry, or at least two of the Big Three.

2. There may be no scandal to cover up. If Dubya could survive Enron, this President can survive Solyndra.

3. This is a question of personality. Will he do any active campaigning? He seems to enjoy it. He built one of the finest campaign apparatuses ever in 2008 and he can get that back in operation very quickly. He has incentives because the Republican hold on the House will be shaky and the Democratic hold on the Senate looks shaky. This President anticipates trouble well and deals with it without delay.

4. Every month that passes without such happening makes such much less likely.

Americans are getting more fussy about politics altogether, which is a good thing. When it comes to voting, Americans end up grading on a curve. If the President's approval rating is 48% but the opponent has a favorability rating around 42%, then guess who wins! Should Americans be getting more fussy about politics? Without question. We recently had a horrible President, and the House of Representatives is achieving nothing.

President Obama could win the electoral vote despite being second in the popular vote.   


Presidential elections are, by and large, a referendum on the economy. Obama is pretty much cooked unless either the economy improves [almost too late for that since perception lags reality,] or he can successfully change the subject [the economy almost always being the main subject.]

Obamanomics has been a disaster. He has created such uncertainty that unemployment is apt to remain high until after he leaves office. Let's hope for the sake of the unemployed that that is in January of 2013.

The economic realities of the Dubya era included:

1. A capital-devouring speculative bubble in real estate. This bubble collapsed when housing prices overtook any reasonable possibility of buyers having the capacity to buy houses. When the construction ended, then the jobs related to that boom also ended.

2. The gutting of manufacturing jobs due to corporate choices (with which the Right acquiesced)  to become importers instead of manufacturers. Manufacturing jobs have typically been the most reliable means out of poverty and for staying out of poverty. Rarely are they the first choices for most people -- but there are only so many professional jobs out there.

3. Extreme intensification of economic inequality. The Gini coefficient for the United States, which had been on par with European democracies in the 1970s, is now on par with countries infamous for severe disparities of wealth and poverty. Economic inequality in the US is typical of a fascist dictatorship, a kleptocracy, or an economy with feudal characteristics. In our case it is an executive elite that enriches itself by destroying competition and paring the payroll for its own compensation.

4. Huge military expenditures on wars for the profits of military contractors and the glorification of the political leadership. Those have a tendency to create jobs during a war, but as the expenditures approach an end, the wartime jobs disappear. President Obama has been getting us out of Afghanistan and Iraq, but such implies an end of a gravy train for some giant corporations and huge job losses.

The analogy to the current economy may be to the 1930s.  FDR was able to win re-election in a landslide in 1936 despite high unemployment. At this point, all that anyone can hope for is slow and continuing improvement with major reforms of the system. The Republicans got their second chance to show what they have to offer with their House majority, and they have blown it badly.

   

This is a completely different time than 1936.  If the current period was comparable to 1936, Democrats would have gained seats in 2010 like in 1934. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on November 20, 2011, 12:35:19 AM
It is far more analogous to 1940 in that the President does badly on the economy, but does well on foreign policy. In 1940, it was WWII breaking out in Europe that saved FDR by knocking the economy down a few rungs as the most important issue. Most came to the conclusion that he had failed to the end the Depression, but prefered a two term President to a guy with no political experience when the things went to hell in a hand basket in Europe. The question for Obama is, what could arise overseas that won't be spun successfully by the opposition as being a result of a failure by Obama. Considering the realities of the modern US and it's role in the world compared to 1939 and 1940, there is little that can occur that can't be connected with the President's foreign policy as far as a campaign goes. Back then the US was far less engaged in the world as a matter of practice and principle stretching back to Washington.  

It is also similar in that the President had a very unfavorable result in the previous midterm election. In 1938, Republicans had gained enough seats to block legislation in conjunction with Conservative Democrats in the South and other places. In 2010, the Republicans took the House.


Such is the 1930's on an expedited time scale. 1934 and 1936 are skipped because of the higher level of impatience on the part of the electorate, the 24 hour news cycle and of course the much higher level of distrust in gov't. In the 1930's, gov't wasn't so disliked by the people that it was on the same level as bankers almost like it is now. As such, people embraced programs and reforms made by gov't to fix problems and only turned against FDR once the results were inferior to what was desired. Now, people turned against programs even before they are passed going back to the Bush administration. There is no grace period of "well let's give him a chance to clean it up". It's "fix it now, or you are gone".


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 20, 2011, 01:32:04 AM
Rasmussen: 46-52

Gallup: 43-47


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on November 20, 2011, 01:36:05 AM

22-40 SA/D

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Gallup: 43-47


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 20, 2011, 04:49:17 AM
It is far more analogous to 1940 in that the President does badly on the economy, but does well on foreign policy. In 1940, it was WWII breaking out in Europe that saved FDR by knocking the economy down a few rungs as the most important issue. Most came to the conclusion that he had failed to the end the Depression, but prefered a two term President to a guy with no political experience when the things went to hell in a hand basket in Europe. The question for Obama is, what could arise overseas that won't be spun successfully by the opposition as being a result of a failure by Obama. Considering the realities of the modern US and it's role in the world compared to 1939 and 1940, there is little that can occur that can't be connected with the President's foreign policy as far as a campaign goes. Back then the US was far less engaged in the world as a matter of practice and principle stretching back to Washington.  

It is also similar in that the President had a very unfavorable result in the previous midterm election. In 1938, Republicans had gained enough seats to block legislation in conjunction with Conservative Democrats in the South and other places. In 2010, the Republicans took the House.


Such is the 1930's on an expedited time scale. 1934 and 1936 are skipped because of the higher level of impatience on the part of the electorate, the 24 hour news cycle and of course the much higher level of distrust in gov't. In the 1930's, gov't wasn't so disliked by the people that it was on the same level as bankers almost like it is now. As such, people embraced programs and reforms made by gov't to fix problems and only turned against FDR once the results were inferior to what was desired. Now, people turned against programs even before they are passed going back to the Bush administration. There is no grace period of "well let's give him a chance to clean it up". It's "fix it now, or you are gone".

The 1930s are still more relevant to this decade than any later decade, and this decade is more like the 1930s than is any other subsequent decade. To be sure the 1930s began in peace and ended in the worst war in history;  the technology of the news (including polling) is vastly advanced. But the '30s/'10s analogue is awkward in one respect; the Republicans underwent a severe defeat in 2006 before the economy melted down. If 2006 was the political equivalent of 1930 and 2008 was the political equivalent of 1932, then  2007 was the economic equivalent of 1929 and 2009 was the economic equivalent of 1931 -- at least at the start. We may have been spared the economic equivalents of late 1931 through late 1932 that put the world into a rut that rook a long time to get out of.  The rut this time is not so severe, but it is no easier to get out of.

To predict whether the President will be re-elected we need to imagine how he can fail. I look at the failures of the last 110 years and I see huge differences. William Howard Taft was temperamentally unsuited to the Presidency; he made a fine judge and Chief Justice. Such could be the conceivable future for this President -- except that he is temperamentally suited to the Presidency. If re-elected he could have a rest-of-his-life much like Taft.

Hoover? That would take a reprise of the current meltdown... but this time there is no speculative boom to go awry. The relevant boom died four years ago.

Ford? Mediocre President, awful campaigner. President Obama is at worst a mediocre President and a superb campaigner.

Carter? A favorite analogue that very partisan Republicans like to see, but this President has foreign-policy successes and no stagflation to hurt him.  He also has far more legislative achievements than Carter. Jimmy Carter was one of the least effective Presidents ever, and his one win depended upon holding onto a coalition of poor blacks and poor whites in the South that seems unlikely to ever be put together again.

The elder Bush? I think that no President since John Knox Polk ever so achieved everything that he wanted to accomplish in one term and had nothing left to achieve. Successes in foreign policy rarely have sequels. Bill Clinton adopted the foreign policy of the elder Bush in practice. It is unfortunate that Dubya didn't.

I think that Republican candidates for President would be wise to concede successes in  foreign policy to President Obama as a done deal and promise to continue it. The current carping about the President's foreign policy is analogous to complaining that Romeo and Juliet would be better with a happy ending,  that Beethoven should have used a different text in the last movement of his Choral (Ninth) Symphony, or that Vincent van Gogh should have put his stars in a discernible constellations in http://www.most-famous-paintings.org/Starry-Night-large.html (http://www.most-famous-paintings.org/Starry-Night-large.html). 

Now as for the economy -- I predict that the President will run against Congress. That is more  analogous to 1948 than to any time between 1930 and 1940.  The Republicans have shown what their economic agenda is after suggesting that it is a new and improved version of recent Republican policies that might stimulate economic growth. That agenda has been shown as nothing more than the enrichment of elites at the expense of everyone else. It implies major reductions in living standards that would require incredible economic growth over decades just to compensate for the mass hardships.  Who wants a fresh start in a return to the Gilded Age or even the Roaring Twenties?   



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on November 20, 2011, 01:10:11 PM
Rasmussen:

23-38 [-15]

47-51


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on November 20, 2011, 01:52:53 PM

The strongly disapprove vs. strongly approve business is irrelevant, unless one of the two somehow exceeds 50%.  Everyone gets one vote.  It doesn't matter how passionate that vote is.  It might matter for fund raising, but Obama is presently romping there anyway. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: "'Oeps!' De blunders van Rick Perry Indicted" on November 20, 2011, 03:08:59 PM
The strongly disapprove vs. strongly approve business is irrelevant, unless one of the two somehow exceeds 50%.  Everyone gets one vote.  It doesn't matter how passionate that vote is.

Less passionate voters are less likely to bother voting.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on November 20, 2011, 03:10:03 PM

The strongly disapprove vs. strongly approve business is irrelevant, unless one of the two somehow exceeds 50%. 

I would say that the mid-forties is the danger area, while 50% is fatal.

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Everyone gets one vote.  It doesn't matter how passionate that vote is.  It might matter for fund raising, but Obama is presently romping there anyway. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on November 20, 2011, 03:25:48 PM

The strongly disapprove vs. strongly approve business is irrelevant, unless one of the two somehow exceeds 50%. 

I would say that the mid-forties is the danger area, while 50% is fatal.

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Everyone gets one vote.  It doesn't matter how passionate that vote is.  It might matter for fund raising, but Obama is presently romping there anyway. 

So if next Nov 1, Obama is at 50%A/46%D and 45% disapprove strongly, you would predict he would lose?  I don't agree.  Similarly, an incumbent with 44% approval and 43% approve strongly, probably still isn't going to win.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on November 20, 2011, 04:35:50 PM
I think there's an implied 'all else being equal' in Bob's post. (There's also an implied 'hackish bull' in all or most or Bob's posts, but I don't think that's as intentional on the part of the author.)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on November 20, 2011, 04:41:48 PM

The strongly disapprove vs. strongly approve business is irrelevant, unless one of the two somehow exceeds 50%.

I would say that the mid-forties is the danger area, while 50% is fatal.

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Everyone gets one vote.  It doesn't matter how passionate that vote is.  It might matter for fund raising, but Obama is presently romping there anyway. 

So if next Nov 1, Obama is at 50%A/46%D and 45% disapprove strongly, you would predict he would lose?  I don't agree.  Similarly, an incumbent with 44% approval and 43% approve strongly, probably still isn't going to win.


It reflects an intensity gap that coud swing a tied race against him based on turnout. But not much more.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on November 20, 2011, 05:06:56 PM

The strongly disapprove vs. strongly approve business is irrelevant, unless one of the two somehow exceeds 50%.

I would say that the mid-forties is the danger area, while 50% is fatal.

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Everyone gets one vote.  It doesn't matter how passionate that vote is.  It might matter for fund raising, but Obama is presently romping there anyway. 

So if next Nov 1, Obama is at 50%A/46%D and 45% disapprove strongly, you would predict he would lose?  I don't agree.  Similarly, an incumbent with 44% approval and 43% approve strongly, probably still isn't going to win.


It reflects an intensity gap that coud swing a tied race against him based on turnout. But not much more.

Intensity gaps are accounted for by using a Likely Voters model.  And polling "likely voters" a year before the election raises its own issues (ex. 18th birthday in 2012, citizenship in 2012, etc.). 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on November 20, 2011, 05:08:23 PM
Apples and Oranges. :P



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 21, 2011, 12:19:48 AM
Actually, Obama's numbers have improved a great deal.  45% on Gallup is survivable. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on November 21, 2011, 12:35:55 PM
Actually, Obama's numbers have improved a great deal.  45% on Gallup is survivable. 

I still think he would lose to Romney by a state or two if the election were next month.  That having been said, it's becoming increasingly obvious that he will win with any noticeable economic improvement in 2012.  Romney can beat him in the economic status quo.  If anyone else wins the GOP nomination, they will probably need another 2008-style crash before the election to beat him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: "'Oeps!' De blunders van Rick Perry Indicted" on November 22, 2011, 03:14:13 PM
Today:

Gallup - 43/50
Rasmussen - 45/52


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 22, 2011, 09:17:05 PM
Actually, Obama's numbers have improved a great deal.  45% on Gallup is survivable. 

I still think he would lose to Romney by a state or two if the election were next month.  That having been said, it's becoming increasingly obvious that he will win with any noticeable economic improvement in 2012.  Romney can beat him in the economic status quo.  If anyone else wins the GOP nomination, they will probably need another 2008-style crash before the election to beat him.

At this point the President would lose if  he failed to campaign for re-election or campaigned ineffectively. The Democrats have yet to harp on Mitt Romney's ideological inconsistencies and his participation in corporate restructuring that on the net destroyed jobs. The Democrats (and especially liberal-leaning media) have unleashed the salvos on other possible GOP nominees  except for Romney. The kid gloves toward him stay on so long as someone else is the front-runner but come off once the campaign begins in earnest.   

In general one can add an average of 6% to the approval rating of an incumbent Governor or Senator at the start of the campaign season to get the percentage of the total vote for the incumbent.  Because the Presidential campaign is basically 50 statewide elections won much as gubernatorial or senatorial races are won, you can expect much the same for an incumbent President. As a strict rule a challenger who ends up winning has a large lead with perhaps lots of undecided and the incumbent cuts into that large lead but not well enough because such a lead for the challenger is simply too much. Of course such shows that the incumbent is wildly unpopular for a good reason -- like being seen as extreme,  inept, aloof, or even corrupt. Add to that, the incumbent almost invariably has shown the ability to campaign for the office and set up a good electoral apparatus, which the challenger rarely does adeptly.

Challengers can carp at will about the incumbent until the nominations are in place. Add to that the incumbent can't operate in campaign mode all the time and is compelled to make decisions, such as budgeting and voting, likely to disappoint some who voted for him. Once the nominations are certain, the incumbent's campaign can dish out the negative campaign against the challenger.  Negative campaigns that question the ability of the challenger to do as effectively may be the last resort -- but that is how Dubya won re-election in 2004.

The argument that the President is an extremist is nothing new; it was used against him in 2008 and proved inadequate. Such is likely to be as ineffective an argument against the President this time as it was against Ronald Reagan in 1984. People who thought that he was disloyal or suspect in loyalty to America, that he was going to take away firearms from people who have veritable fetishes about them, that he was a secret Muslim (with FDR it was that FDR was really a Jew,  which was then about as distant from the political mainstream), or that he would operate as an autocrat are still convinced of that.

The 2012 election will be in part a referendum on foreign policy and economic improvement. The President is solid on foreign policy and military matters. Now for the economy -- can he win with a weak economy?

Absolutely not if the economy tanks. There's just too little to tank. We don't have a corrupt speculative boom  set to implode; the last boom imploded three to four years ago. Slow improvement is the best that anyone can ask for even if it means that things are now less attractive than they were five years ago. FDR was able to get re-elected despite unemployment higher than what President Obama has staring at him.       


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on November 23, 2011, 03:30:52 PM
Obama is pretty stable re job approval right now.

A poll to the same poll comparison shows approval staying in the upper end of the 40-45% range, and disapproval hanging in right around 50% for a net of -6 or -7.

Normally....

50% approval = reelection
40% approval = dead in the water

Obama is slightly to the dark side of the grey area.

Of course these numbers are meaningless right now, tune in in 3 months and these numbers start to have an actual predictive value for November 2012.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 23, 2011, 04:14:57 PM
I'll try to get back to daily numbers after the holiday.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on November 23, 2011, 05:31:28 PM
Actually, Obama's numbers have improved a great deal.  45% on Gallup is survivable. 

I still think he would lose to Romney by a state or two if the election were next month.  That having been said, it's becoming increasingly obvious that he will win with any noticeable economic improvement in 2012.  Romney can beat him in the economic status quo.  If anyone else wins the GOP nomination, they will probably need another 2008-style crash before the election to beat him.

At this point the President would lose if  he failed to campaign for re-election or campaigned ineffectively. The Democrats have yet to harp on Mitt Romney's ideological inconsistencies and his participation in corporate restructuring that on the net destroyed jobs. The Democrats (and especially liberal-leaning media) have unleashed the salvos on other possible GOP nominees  except for Romney. The kid gloves toward him stay on so long as someone else is the front-runner but come off once the campaign begins in earnest.   

In general one can add an average of 6% to the approval rating of an incumbent Governor or Senator at the start of the campaign season to get the percentage of the total vote for the incumbent.  Because the Presidential campaign is basically 50 statewide elections won much as gubernatorial or senatorial races are won, you can expect much the same for an incumbent President. As a strict rule a challenger who ends up winning has a large lead with perhaps lots of undecided and the incumbent cuts into that large lead but not well enough because such a lead for the challenger is simply too much. Of course such shows that the incumbent is wildly unpopular for a good reason -- like being seen as extreme,  inept, aloof, or even corrupt. Add to that, the incumbent almost invariably has shown the ability to campaign for the office and set up a good electoral apparatus, which the challenger rarely does adeptly.

Challengers can carp at will about the incumbent until the nominations are in place. Add to that the incumbent can't operate in campaign mode all the time and is compelled to make decisions, such as budgeting and voting, likely to disappoint some who voted for him. Once the nominations are certain, the incumbent's campaign can dish out the negative campaign against the challenger.  Negative campaigns that question the ability of the challenger to do as effectively may be the last resort -- but that is how Dubya won re-election in 2004.

The argument that the President is an extremist is nothing new; it was used against him in 2008 and proved inadequate. Such is likely to be as ineffective an argument against the President this time as it was against Ronald Reagan in 1984. People who thought that he was disloyal or suspect in loyalty to America, that he was going to take away firearms from people who have veritable fetishes about them, that he was a secret Muslim (with FDR it was that FDR was really a Jew,  which was then about as distant from the political mainstream), or that he would operate as an autocrat are still convinced of that.

The 2012 election will be in part a referendum on foreign policy and economic improvement. The President is solid on foreign policy and military matters. Now for the economy -- can he win with a weak economy?

Absolutely not if the economy tanks. There's just too little to tank. We don't have a corrupt speculative boom  set to implode; the last boom imploded three to four years ago. Slow improvement is the best that anyone can ask for even if it means that things are now less attractive than they were five years ago. FDR was able to get re-elected despite unemployment higher than what President Obama has staring at him.       

Stop comparing Obama to FDR.  FDR saw unemployment drop from 25% in 1933 to 16% in 1936 and he also gained seats in 1934, showing that he and his party had a lot more goodwill with the American people than Obama does. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 23, 2011, 09:28:31 PM

Stop comparing Obama to FDR.  FDR saw unemployment drop from 25% in 1933 to 16% in 1936 and he also gained seats in 1934, showing that he and his party had a lot more goodwill with the American people than Obama does. 

Please stop comparing Barack Obama to Herbert Hoover or Jimmy Carter.

Unemployment is a lagging indicator; FDR took just after the economy bottomed out after a three-year economic meltdown; Barack Obama took over before the end of a year-and-a-half economic meltdown. In 1934 the Republican Party and its front groups had not yet developed  the sort of Orwellian propaganda with deep-pockets support behind it that they used in 2010. That is a huge change in politics, and if that change remains effective in 2012, then President Obama will surely be defeated or at least marginalized.

This depression is hardly as severe as that of 1929-1940... but it could easily have been. The first eighteen months of the 2007-2009 meltdown was as severe as the first eighteen months of the 1929-1933 meltdown. Please give this President some credit for the end of the decline, if nothing more than credit for not making things worse and for promoting some gimmicks to stop the economic bleeding. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on November 24, 2011, 01:02:18 PM

Please give this President some credit for the end of the decline, if nothing more than credit for not making things worse and for promoting some gimmicks to stop the economic bleeding.  


That is actually a matter of some debate.

Obama has essentially slow walked the housing crisis, he has made it harder for the banks for foreclose, but he has put very little of actual substance on the table to actually fix the problem.

I would also note that according to the Director of the Congressional Budget office, that the net effect of Obama's "stimulus" will be a slightly smaller economy and a lower GDP than if it had never been enacted. - Again, this is from the Director of the (semi) non-partisan Congressional Budget Office.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h_rDrd97sY&feature=player_embedded

Hundreds of billions of dollars in payoffs to teachers, labor unions, and crony capitalism friends, in exchange for a massively higher debt, larger debt servicing costs AND fewer jobs and a lower GDP at the end of it all is not exactly a matter that is universally regarded as beneficial.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 28, 2011, 10:13:56 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%.

Disapprove 54%.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%.

I'll start with the changes tomorrow.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 28, 2011, 07:37:59 PM
Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve:  44%

Disapprove:  47%

Gallup is useful for historical comparisons.  At 44% approval, Obama is easily able to survive, i.e. other presidents have won with equal or lower numbers.  The key will be if the number drops to the 40% or below mark consistently.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 29, 2011, 09:52:27 AM
Not yet up on the chart, but in the text:  http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, u.

Disapprove 55%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 20%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 29, 2011, 04:41:44 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve:  43%, -1.

Disapprove:  49%, +2.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on November 29, 2011, 05:07:53 PM
Hmmm... He's back down to -7 to -9 territory now.  I wonder what caused the late October-early November bump when it looked like he was moving back to 50/50 approvals?  It doesn't seem obvious at all.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 29, 2011, 08:46:56 PM
Hmmm... He's back down to -7 to -9 territory now.  I wonder what caused the late October-early November bump when it looked like he was moving back to 50/50 approvals?  It doesn't seem obvious at all.

At this point, 43% is survivable.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on November 29, 2011, 09:12:08 PM
Hmmm... He's back down to -7 to -9 territory now.  I wonder what caused the late October-early November bump when it looked like he was moving back to 50/50 approvals?  It doesn't seem obvious at all.

At this point, 43% is survivable.

I don't agree.  If he's running against Romney and he isn't back to up to 47-49% range by election day, he won't win. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on November 29, 2011, 10:19:10 PM
Hmmm... He's back down to -7 to -9 territory now.  I wonder what caused the late October-early November bump when it looked like he was moving back to 50/50 approvals?  It doesn't seem obvious at all.

The news out of Europe, and the stock market, have shown some correlation with Obama approval numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on November 29, 2011, 10:44:22 PM
Perhaps he's feeling some political fallout from the failure of the debt committee.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 30, 2011, 09:06:11 AM
Hmmm... He's back down to -7 to -9 territory now.  I wonder what caused the late October-early November bump when it looked like he was moving back to 50/50 approvals?  It doesn't seem obvious at all.

At this point, 43% is survivable.

I don't agree.  If he's running against Romney and he isn't back to up to 47-49% range by election day, he won't win. 


November 29, 2011 isn't Election Day 2012. 

Most presidents close the gap from their year before low; their numbers improve.  Even a weak candidate can improve 7-9 points.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 30, 2011, 09:39:40 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43%, -1.

Disapprove 56%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 19%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.

Edited to fix typo.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on November 30, 2011, 10:44:55 AM
Hmmm... He's back down to -7 to -9 territory now.  I wonder what caused the late October-early November bump when it looked like he was moving back to 50/50 approvals?  It doesn't seem obvious at all.

The news out of Europe, and the stock market, have shown some correlation with Obama approval numbers.

All the recent economic news, especially with today's positive Europe action, has been good for him.  Consumer confidence is way up, unemployment claims below 400,000 for a month, Holiday consumer spending with the greatest year over year increase since 2007.  The only bad/neutral news has been last month's unemployment report, and that didn't seem to have an effect. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on November 30, 2011, 12:23:05 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43%, -1.

Disapprove 58%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 19%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.



Typo alert -- it is 43% approve, 56% disapprove.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 30, 2011, 02:32:04 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve:  43%, u.

Disapprove:  49%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on November 30, 2011, 02:37:35 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43%, -1.

Disapprove 58%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 19%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.



Thank you; I just fixed it.

Typo alert -- it is 43% approve, 56% disapprove.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on November 30, 2011, 08:24:16 PM
Hmmm... He's back down to -7 to -9 territory now.  I wonder what caused the late October-early November bump when it looked like he was moving back to 50/50 approvals?  It doesn't seem obvious at all.

The news out of Europe, and the stock market, have shown some correlation with Obama approval numbers.

We'll see if this is the case after today's massive rally over the next couple of days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on November 30, 2011, 10:15:16 PM
Hmmm... He's back down to -7 to -9 territory now.  I wonder what caused the late October-early November bump when it looked like he was moving back to 50/50 approvals?  It doesn't seem obvious at all.

The news out of Europe, and the stock market, have shown some correlation with Obama approval numbers.

We'll see if this is the case after today's massive rally over the next couple of days.

I think Nov unemployment comes out Friday.  If it is positive, relatively speaking, it will be difficult to distinguish the two.  Jobless claims below 400,000 for a month normally means at least low six figure job growth.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 01, 2011, 10:56:06 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43%, u.

Disapprove 56%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 19%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, u.

I would be watching to see if Strongly Disapprove consistently equals Approve.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on December 01, 2011, 01:25:33 PM
Hmmm... He's back down to -7 to -9 territory now.  I wonder what caused the late October-early November bump when it looked like he was moving back to 50/50 approvals?  It doesn't seem obvious at all.

The news out of Europe, and the stock market, have shown some correlation with Obama approval numbers.

We'll see if this is the case after today's massive rally over the next couple of days.

I think Nov unemployment comes out Friday.  If it is positive, relatively speaking, it will be difficult to distinguish the two.  Jobless claims below 400,000 for a month normally means at least low six figure job growth.

That's initial claims per week.

It was above 400,000 today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on December 01, 2011, 04:01:02 PM
Hmmm... He's back down to -7 to -9 territory now.  I wonder what caused the late October-early November bump when it looked like he was moving back to 50/50 approvals?  It doesn't seem obvious at all.

The news out of Europe, and the stock market, have shown some correlation with Obama approval numbers.

We'll see if this is the case after today's massive rally over the next couple of days.

I think Nov unemployment comes out Friday.  If it is positive, relatively speaking, it will be difficult to distinguish the two.  Jobless claims below 400,000 for a month normally means at least low six figure job growth.

That's initial claims per week.

It was above 400,000 today.

Right, but 400,000 is roughly the "people sense improvement" level for that variable.  It did rise again, but it has averaged below 400,000 over several weeks.  The last time that happened was in Jan and Feb when we had roughly 200K job growth for the month.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on December 01, 2011, 04:11:48 PM
Hmmm... He's back down to -7 to -9 territory now.  I wonder what caused the late October-early November bump when it looked like he was moving back to 50/50 approvals?  It doesn't seem obvious at all.

Very little, if any, real change...

A lot of the changes in RCP and other averages is just polls more favorable to Obama (Pew, CBS, Ipsos, etc) rolling in and out or the average...

Both Gallup and Rasmussen have had a few odd runs.  I wonder if there is some issue with samples getting out of sync or something.  Both Rasmussen and Gallup buy their raw survey calling lists from the same supplier (Survey Sample International) and I sometimes think there may be some glitch there...

Obama is at the upper end of the 40-45 band for approval, and 50% ish disapproval..

Not good, but not dead in the water either...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on December 01, 2011, 04:16:48 PM
Hmmm... He's back down to -7 to -9 territory now.  I wonder what caused the late October-early November bump when it looked like he was moving back to 50/50 approvals?  It doesn't seem obvious at all.

Very little, if any, real change...

A lot of the changes in RCP and other averages is just polls more favorable to Obama (Pew, CBS, Ipsos, etc) rolling in and out or the average...

Both Gallup and Rasmussen have had a few odd runs.  I wonder if there is some issue with samples getting out of sync or something.  Both Rasmussen and Gallup buy their raw survey calling lists from the same supplier (Survey Sample International) and I sometimes think there may be some glitch there...

Obama is at the upper end of the 40-45 band for approval, and 50% ish disapproval..

Not good, but not dead in the water either...

Well he could still be following a delayed Reagan path where good economic news props him back up over 50 by late winter and he stays there.  This assumes that Europe stabilizes and the recent uptick in employment and consumer confidence accelerates.

Other than that, or something particularly heroic in foreign policy, I don't know how he gets out of the 42% strong disapproval rut.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on December 01, 2011, 05:59:53 PM

Well he could still be following a delayed Reagan path where good economic news props him back up over 50 by late winter and he stays there.  This assumes that Europe stabilizes and the recent uptick in employment and consumer confidence accelerates.

Other than that, or something particularly heroic in foreign policy, I don't know how he gets out of the 42% strong disapproval rut.

Can't see where an economic uptick comes from though.

The Euro zone, even assuming an optimistic scenario where it doesn't implode, will certainly not be an engine of growth.

China is wobbly, Japan is, well, Japan...

The overhang of the housing bubble is still huge.  ObamaCare is an unknown.  The EuroZone remains a ticking time bomb. China is massively overbuilt and their economy is waaay short of enough internal demand to be self sustaining.

 I just don't see where the investment and risk taking need to jump start things comes from.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 01, 2011, 06:54:34 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve:  42%, -1.

Disapprove:  50%, +1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on December 01, 2011, 07:29:13 PM
Hmmm... He's back down to -7 to -9 territory now.  I wonder what caused the late October-early November bump when it looked like he was moving back to 50/50 approvals?  It doesn't seem obvious at all.

The news out of Europe, and the stock market, have shown some correlation with Obama approval numbers.

We'll see if this is the case after today's massive rally over the next couple of days.

I think Nov unemployment comes out Friday.  If it is positive, relatively speaking, it will be difficult to distinguish the two.  Jobless claims below 400,000 for a month normally means at least low six figure job growth.

That's initial claims per week.

It was above 400,000 today.

Right, but 400,000 is roughly the "people sense improvement" level for that variable.  It did rise again, but it has averaged below 400,000 over several weeks.  The last time that happened was in Jan and Feb when we had roughly 200K job growth for the month.

I thought the over/under number was about 375,000.

400,000 points to 9.1% unemployment.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on December 02, 2011, 10:30:26 AM
Well we just had a jobs report that looks Reagan 1984 esque on the surface.  In reality, of course it's not that great, but we will have to see which number matters more psychologically. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 02, 2011, 11:15:14 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43%, u.

Disapprove 55%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 20%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 02, 2011, 05:21:32 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve:  42%, u.

Disapprove:  50%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on December 02, 2011, 08:24:19 PM
hahahah, Huntsman's ads are great.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/12/02/huntsman_hits_romney.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CJK on December 03, 2011, 10:34:05 AM
Obama Average Approval Rating November 2011 (Gallup)

43% Approve

49% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Roosevelt: 58/37 (November 1939)

Truman: 54/33 (November 1947) AND 23/61 (November 1951)

Eisenhower: 78/13 (November 1955)

Kennedy: 58/30 (November 1963)

Johnson: 42/46 (November 1967)

Nixon: 49/37 (November 1971)

Ford: 43/45 (November 1975)

Carter: 35/52 (November 1979)

Reagan: 53/37 (November 1983)

Bush I: 55/37 (November 1991)

Clinton: 52/41 (November 1995)

Bush II: 52/45 (November 2003)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on December 03, 2011, 12:37:31 PM
Obama Average Approval Rating November 2011 (Gallup)

43% Approve

49% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Roosevelt: 58/37 (November 1939)

Truman: 54/33 (November 1947) AND 23/61 (November 1951)

Eisenhower: 78/13 (November 1955)

Kennedy: 58/30 (November 1963)

Johnson: 42/46 (November 1967)

Nixon: 49/37 (November 1971)

Ford: 43/45 (November 1975)

Carter: 35/52 (November 1979)

Reagan: 53/37 (November 1983)

Bush I: 55/37 (November 1991)

Clinton: 52/41 (November 1995)

Bush II: 52/45 (November 2003)

Truman was popular in the fall of 47?!  When did he start cratering to fall into the 30's by the summer of 48?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 03, 2011, 04:39:49 PM
Obama Average Approval Rating November 2011 (Gallup)

43% Approve

49% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Roosevelt: 58/37 (November 1939)

Truman: 54/33 (November 1947) AND 23/61 (November 1951)

Eisenhower: 78/13 (November 1955)

Kennedy: 58/30 (November 1963)

Johnson: 42/46 (November 1967)

Nixon: 49/37 (November 1971)

Ford: 43/45 (November 1975)

Carter: 35/52 (November 1979)

Reagan: 53/37 (November 1983)

Bush I: 55/37 (November 1991)

Clinton: 52/41 (November 1995)

Bush II: 52/45 (November 2003)

Truman was popular in the fall of 47?!  When did he start cratering to fall into the 30's by the summer of 48?

The Korean War. I'm going to guess that as the front line sagged southward so did President Truman's approval rating. The war also got increasingly unpopular as it dragged on.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on December 03, 2011, 07:21:24 PM
Obama Average Approval Rating November 2011 (Gallup)

43% Approve

49% Disapprove

Trends for comparison:

Roosevelt: 58/37 (November 1939)

Truman: 54/33 (November 1947) AND 23/61 (November 1951)

Eisenhower: 78/13 (November 1955)

Kennedy: 58/30 (November 1963)

Johnson: 42/46 (November 1967)

Nixon: 49/37 (November 1971)

Ford: 43/45 (November 1975)

Carter: 35/52 (November 1979)

Reagan: 53/37 (November 1983)

Bush I: 55/37 (November 1991)

Clinton: 52/41 (November 1995)

Bush II: 52/45 (November 2003)

Truman was popular in the fall of 47?!  When did he start cratering to fall into the 30's by the summer of 48?

The Korean War. I'm going to guess that as the front line sagged southward so did President Truman's approval rating. The war also got increasingly unpopular as it dragged on.

Goldmined.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 04, 2011, 06:06:41 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, +2.

Disapprove 54%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 04, 2011, 06:08:14 AM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve:  41%, -1.

Disapprove:  51%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 04, 2011, 09:51:41 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -3.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 04, 2011, 01:49:28 PM
Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve:  44%, +3.

Disapprove:  49%, -2.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 05, 2011, 02:50:21 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 53%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 20%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 05, 2011, 02:52:13 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve:  43%, -1.

Disapprove:  49%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 06, 2011, 10:43:34 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -1.

Disapprove 54%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 06, 2011, 02:40:33 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve:  41%, -2.

Disapprove:  51%, +2.

If consistent, it is getting close to that point of no return.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on December 06, 2011, 03:37:10 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve:  41%, -2.

Disapprove:  51%, +2.

If consistent, it is getting close to that point of no return.



But with Gallup - nothing is consistent


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: memphis on December 06, 2011, 03:43:28 PM
A bump is coming. Get ready for Happy New Year. War is over.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook on December 06, 2011, 07:47:08 PM
A bump is coming. Get ready for Happy New Year. War is over.
If you want it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 07, 2011, 10:10:08 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, u.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 07, 2011, 10:13:17 AM

There is basically a point on Gallup where an incumbent president's numbers cannot recover.  It is about 40% or lower in the first year, on the weekly numbers.  Obama is not there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: memphis on December 07, 2011, 12:23:56 PM

There is basically a point on Gallup where an incumbent president's numbers cannot recover.  It is about 40% or lower in the first year, on the weekly numbers.  Obama is not there.
Clinton was below 40% in June of '93.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116584/presidential-approval-ratings-bill-clinton.aspx
The first year doesn't mean much. That's why it's the time for bold action. The Presidency is a ticking clock and approval gets more important every minute.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 07, 2011, 07:12:16 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve:  41%, u.

Disapprove:  51%, u.

If consistent, it is getting close to that point of no return.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 07, 2011, 07:14:04 PM

There is basically a point on Gallup where an incumbent president's numbers cannot recover.  It is about 40% or lower in the first year, on the weekly numbers.  Obama is not there.
Clinton was below 40% in June of '93.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116584/presidential-approval-ratings-bill-clinton.aspx
The first year doesn't mean much. That's why it's the time for bold action. The Presidency is a ticking clock and approval gets more important every minute.

June of 1993 was not December of 1995.  Reagan was actually in the 30's in late 1982 early 1983.  He was around 50% at this point.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 08, 2011, 10:41:20 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, u.

Disapprove 55%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 08, 2011, 01:55:13 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve:  42%, +1.

Disapprove:  50%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: memphis on December 08, 2011, 01:59:46 PM

There is basically a point on Gallup where an incumbent president's numbers cannot recover.  It is about 40% or lower in the first year, on the weekly numbers.  Obama is not there.
Clinton was below 40% in June of '93.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116584/presidential-approval-ratings-bill-clinton.aspx
The first year doesn't mean much. That's why it's the time for bold action. The Presidency is a ticking clock and approval gets more important every minute.

June of 1993 was not December of 1995.  Reagan was actually in the 30's in late 1982 early 1983.  He was around 50% at this point.
You said first year. Did you mean last year?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 08, 2011, 03:32:45 PM

There is basically a point on Gallup where an incumbent president's numbers cannot recover.  It is about 40% or lower in the first year, on the weekly numbers.  Obama is not there.
Clinton was below 40% in June of '93.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116584/presidential-approval-ratings-bill-clinton.aspx
The first year doesn't mean much. That's why it's the time for bold action. The Presidency is a ticking clock and approval gets more important every minute.

June of 1993 was not December of 1995.  Reagan was actually in the 30's in late 1982 early 1983.  He was around 50% at this point.
You said first year. Did you mean last year?

Yes, I look at the last 18 months and the last 12 months.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: memphis on December 08, 2011, 03:57:20 PM

There is basically a point on Gallup where an incumbent president's numbers cannot recover.  It is about 40% or lower in the first year, on the weekly numbers.  Obama is not there.
Clinton was below 40% in June of '93.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116584/presidential-approval-ratings-bill-clinton.aspx
The first year doesn't mean much. That's why it's the time for bold action. The Presidency is a ticking clock and approval gets more important every minute.

June of 1993 was not December of 1995.  Reagan was actually in the 30's in late 1982 early 1983.  He was around 50% at this point.
You said first year. Did you mean last year?

Yes, I look at the last 18 months and the last 12 months.
In that case, the counter example is Truman. Below 40% in the 1948, but he still won re-election despite third party runs by both his liberal flank and the Dixiecrat wing of the party.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on December 08, 2011, 07:29:52 PM
In that case, the counter example is Truman. Below 40% in the 1948, but he still won re-election despite third party runs by both his liberal flank and the Dixiecrat wing of the party.

Truman is a counter example unlikely to ever be repeated.  Everyone was so sure Dewey that Dewey was mouthing platitudes instead of stump speeches for the last month or so, and there was no polling to tell him otherwise.

If Dewey had even run a marginal campaign at the end, he could have easily have gotten at least this:

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Which would have given Dewey a narrow 267 EV win (266 were needed in 1948) tho Truman would have still won in the PV.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 09, 2011, 09:41:09 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, -1.

Disapprove 55%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.


There has been a slight upswing in Strongly Approve, but is not reflected in the rest of his numbers.  It could indicate that his base is coming back.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 09, 2011, 11:17:34 AM


Truman is a counter example unlikely to ever be repeated.  Everyone was so sure Dewey that Dewey was mouthing platitudes instead of stump speeches for the last month or so, and there was no polling to tell him otherwise.

Which would have given Dewey a narrow 267 EV win (266 were needed in 1948) tho Truman would have still won in the PV.

I think that there was a noticeable change post Watergate.  Both Eisenhower and LBJ had a lower vote percentage that their "low during the year before, (LYB)" approval numbers on Gallup. They had 68% and 73% LYB, respectively.  Truman gained about 12 points on his LYB. Nixon about 11 points.

The LYB gain, with rounding, was since then as follows:

Ford:  9 points
Carter: 9 points
Reagan: 8 points
GHWB: 8 points
Clinton:  7 points
GWB:  5 points

Obama is at 42% on the weekly Gallup.  He improves at just above average with any other president, he wins re-election.  He could, obviously, be in better shape, but it is still winnable. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on December 09, 2011, 01:12:41 PM
Presidential polling has been around for such a short time, and the sample size of Presidential elections is so small that drawing these definitive conclusions from the data is a waste of time.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 10, 2011, 09:58:21 AM
December 9, 2011

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve:  42%, u.

Disapprove:  51%, +1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 10, 2011, 09:59:42 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, u.

Disapprove 55%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 10, 2011, 10:01:03 AM
Presidential polling has been around for such a short time, and the sample size of Presidential elections is so small that drawing these definitive conclusions from the data is a waste of time.

Right now, my conclusion is that, with these numbers, it is possible for Obama to survive.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: memphis on December 10, 2011, 10:05:43 AM
Presidential polling has been around for such a short time, and the sample size of Presidential elections is so small that drawing these definitive conclusions from the data is a waste of time.

Right now, my conclusion is that, with these numbers, it is possible for Obama to survive.

Given the polling and the likely potential candidate, it is not just possible, it is extremely likely that Obama will be re-elected.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 10, 2011, 11:29:55 AM


Truman is a counter example unlikely to ever be repeated.  Everyone was so sure Dewey that Dewey was mouthing platitudes instead of stump speeches for the last month or so, and there was no polling to tell him otherwise.

Which would have given Dewey a narrow 267 EV win (266 were needed in 1948) tho Truman would have still won in the PV.

I think that there was a noticeable change post Watergate.  Both Eisenhower and LBJ had a lower vote percentage that their "low during the year before, (LYB)" approval numbers on Gallup. They had 68% and 73% LYB, respectively.  Truman gained about 12 points on his LYB. Nixon about 11 points.

The LYB gain, with rounding, was since then as follows:

Ford:  9 points
Carter: 9 points
Reagan: 8 points
GHWB: 8 points
Clinton:  7 points
GWB:  5 points

Obama is at 42% on the weekly Gallup.  He improves at just above average with any other president, he wins re-election.  He could, obviously, be in better shape, but it is still winnable. 

The maximum level of popular vote that any President has ever gotten in the last 100 years is about 61%, roughly the level for FDR in 1936, LBJ in 1964, or Nixon in 1972. In all three cases that involved an incumbent defeating a weak challenger, a scenario still possible in 2012.

The minimum for an incumbent President seeking re-election despite three years of economic meltdown (Hoover 1932) or in the wake of debacles of foreign policy (Carter 1980) is around 40%. Anyone who thinks that the President is going to do better than FDR in 1936  or worse than Hoover in 1932 is on shaky ground. As for Eisenhower and LBJ, there was no way in which Ike was going to win 63% of the popular vote (57% was fine enough for him, and campaigning would have brought more risk than reward), and the 73% approval rating was late in 1963 during his political honeymoon.

Truman would have been defeated badly had the Reds (no, not the Cincinnati variety) had been closing in on some ROK redoubt in a southern corner of the country with Mao and Kim il-Sung boasting that "Liberation comes next to Japan! Death to the fascist running-dog Hirohito!" Of course such is contrafactual as the war did not begin until 1950.

OK -- President Obama so far is involved in some foreign-policy debacles, but those so far are the debacles that he inflicted upon Osama bin Laden and let happen to Muammar Qaddafi. It is still possible that an economic meltdown can happen between now and November, but time is running out for that. There's no speculative boom to go bust while Obama is President. Slow growth in hard times? FDR won big in 1936 under those circumstances.

What is different this time is the Citizens United decision that effectively allows political front groups to throw unlimited funds into any political effort, including propaganda campaigns intended to weaken the support of any politician that such a front group wants defeated, as well as into political campaigns.     

Improving economic conditions (no given) clearly seal a re-election of President Obama against a weak opponent (nearly a given). 



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 10, 2011, 03:16:55 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve:  42%, u.

Disapprove:  51%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on December 10, 2011, 09:02:00 PM


Truman is a counter example unlikely to ever be repeated.  Everyone was so sure Dewey that Dewey was mouthing platitudes instead of stump speeches for the last month or so, and there was no polling to tell him otherwise.

Which would have given Dewey a narrow 267 EV win (266 were needed in 1948) tho Truman would have still won in the PV.

I think that there was a noticeable change post Watergate.  Both Eisenhower and LBJ had a lower vote percentage that their "low during the year before, (LYB)" approval numbers on Gallup. They had 68% and 73% LYB, respectively.  Truman gained about 12 points on his LYB. Nixon about 11 points.

The LYB gain, with rounding, was since then as follows:

Ford:  9 points
Carter: 9 points
Reagan: 8 points
GHWB: 8 points
Clinton:  7 points
GWB:  5 points

Obama is at 42% on the weekly Gallup.  He improves at just above average with any other president, he wins re-election.  He could, obviously, be in better shape, but it is still winnable. 

The maximum level of popular vote that any President has ever gotten in the last 100 years is about 61%, roughly the level for FDR in 1936, LBJ in 1964, or Nixon in 1972. In all three cases that involved an incumbent defeating a weak challenger, a scenario still possible in 2012.

The minimum for an incumbent President seeking re-election despite three years of economic meltdown (Hoover 1932) or in the wake of debacles of foreign policy (Carter 1980) is around 40%. Anyone who thinks that the President is going to do better than FDR in 1936  or worse than Hoover in 1932 is on shaky ground. As for Eisenhower and LBJ, there was no way in which Ike was going to win 63% of the popular vote (57% was fine enough for him, and campaigning would have brought more risk than reward), and the 73% approval rating was late in 1963 during his political honeymoon.

Truman would have been defeated badly had the Reds (no, not the Cincinnati variety) had been closing in on some ROK redoubt in a southern corner of the country with Mao and Kim il-Sung boasting that "Liberation comes next to Japan! Death to the fascist running-dog Hirohito!" Of course such is contrafactual as the war did not begin until 1950.

OK -- President Obama so far is involved in some foreign-policy debacles, but those so far are the debacles that he inflicted upon Osama bin Laden and let happen to Muammar Qaddafi. It is still possible that an economic meltdown can happen between now and November, but time is running out for that. There's no speculative boom to go bust while Obama is President. Slow growth in hard times? FDR won big in 1936 under those circumstances.



FDR saw 13% GDP growth and 7% decline in unemployment in 1936. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 11, 2011, 09:03:05 AM


Truman is a counter example unlikely to ever be repeated.  Everyone was so sure Dewey that Dewey was mouthing platitudes instead of stump speeches for the last month or so, and there was no polling to tell him otherwise.

Which would have given Dewey a narrow 267 EV win (266 were needed in 1948) tho Truman would have still won in the PV.

I think that there was a noticeable change post Watergate.  Both Eisenhower and LBJ had a lower vote percentage that their "low during the year before, (LYB)" approval numbers on Gallup. They had 68% and 73% LYB, respectively.  Truman gained about 12 points on his LYB. Nixon about 11 points.

The LYB gain, with rounding, was since then as follows:

Ford:  9 points
Carter: 9 points
Reagan: 8 points
GHWB: 8 points
Clinton:  7 points
GWB:  5 points

Obama is at 42% on the weekly Gallup.  He improves at just above average with any other president, he wins re-election.  He could, obviously, be in better shape, but it is still winnable. 

The maximum level of popular vote that any President has ever gotten in the last 100 years is about 61%, roughly the level for FDR in 1936, LBJ in 1964, or Nixon in 1972. In all three cases that involved an incumbent defeating a weak challenger, a scenario still possible in 2012.

The minimum for an incumbent President seeking re-election despite three years of economic meltdown (Hoover 1932) or in the wake of debacles of foreign policy (Carter 1980) is around 40%. Anyone who thinks that the President is going to do better than FDR in 1936  or worse than Hoover in 1932 is on shaky ground. As for Eisenhower and LBJ, there was no way in which Ike was going to win 63% of the popular vote (57% was fine enough for him, and campaigning would have brought more risk than reward), and the 73% approval rating was late in 1963 during his political honeymoon.

Truman would have been defeated badly had the Reds (no, not the Cincinnati variety) had been closing in on some ROK redoubt in a southern corner of the country with Mao and Kim il-Sung boasting that "Liberation comes next to Japan! Death to the fascist running-dog Hirohito!" Of course such is contrafactual as the war did not begin until 1950.

OK -- President Obama so far is involved in some foreign-policy debacles, but those so far are the debacles that he inflicted upon Osama bin Laden and let happen to Muammar Qaddafi. It is still possible that an economic meltdown can happen between now and November, but time is running out for that. There's no speculative boom to go bust while Obama is President. Slow growth in hard times? FDR won big in 1936 under those circumstances.



FDR saw 13% GDP growth and 7% decline in unemployment in 1936. 


Any significant growth in GDP and decline in unemployment will seal re-election of the President. If President Obama could get unemployment down to 3% and get 13% growth in GDP, then he would win back the Carter-but-not-Obama vote while strengthening his gains elsewhere and winning 61% of the popular vote and about 520 electoral votes.

I may be carrying a political analogue from a different place that isn't so popular here, but political and economic realities of this decade may have more in common with those of 75-80 years ago than with those of ten years ago. The closest analogue to the still-remembered financial meltdown of 2007-2009 is the first half of economic implosion of 1929-1932.

FDR won big in 1936 because (1) he was a masterful politician, (2) the GOP alternative was weak, (3) even if he could not induce the economy to fully leave the Great Depression he could get a solid start (4) against an economic nightmare largely attributed to the Other Party.  2012 may be the only analogue in any respect to 1936 since the 1940s because we have been spared any economic meltdown that in any way resembles that of even the first half of 1929-1932.

The most favorable scenario that I see for the President is roughly a 55-45 split of the popular vote and about 400-440 electoral votes with Texas as the rough difference between 400 and 440 electoral votes. Based on what I see in the generic ballot for Congress in Colorado, Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania (the other state for which I have polling data on that is Montana, and that is on an at-large election)  I now predict that the Republicans will lose the House of Representatives. 

Can President Obama lose? He most certainly can -- if he has a personal scandal, if he faces a military/diplomatic debacle, or if the economy goes into a tailspin. But with none of those he (1) has already shown himself a masterful politician capable of taking away votes that the Other Side used to think reliably 'theirs', (2) facing severely-flawed opposition, and  (3-4) having real growth during economic hard times, hard times the result of catastrophic policies of the previous Administration. The GOP has a bigger problem with credibility now than it did going into the 2010 elections because it has shown that it learned nothing from its defeats in 2006 and 2008 that would force it to change its approaches to the issues of the time.     



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 11, 2011, 10:24:14 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, +1.

Disapprove 53%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -2.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on December 11, 2011, 12:09:20 PM
http://www.winthrop.edu/winthroppoll/default.aspx?id=9804

According to a Winthrop University Poll taken November 27-December 4, 2011

In South Carolina:
Obama: Approve: 44.8% Disapprove: 47.8% (Net: -3.0%)
Haley: Approve: 34.6% Disapprove: 43.0% (Net: -8.4%)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 11, 2011, 02:38:37 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve:  43%, +1.

Disapprove:  50%, -1.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 12, 2011, 09:56:32 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 20%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -2.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 12, 2011, 04:43:47 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve:  44%, +1.

Disapprove:  48%, -2.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on December 13, 2011, 02:45:50 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYcqToQzzGY&feature=related


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 13, 2011, 11:58:52 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 53%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 20%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 13, 2011, 04:08:17 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve:  45%, +1.

Disapprove:  48%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 14, 2011, 01:44:50 AM
Obama now with the best RCP average since end of July:

45.2% Approve
48.2% Disapprove

mostly because Rasmussen and Gallup have upward trends recently and because of the new NBC/WSJ poll and the Pew poll, which have good news for him:

NBC/WSJ: 46% Approve, 48% Disapprove
Pew: 46% Approve, 43% Disapprove

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 14, 2011, 11:03:33 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on December 14, 2011, 12:34:23 PM
He might be rallying back to 50/50 approvals.  The decline in disapproval looks meaningful, but the rise in approval matches the ephemeral bump we saw in October...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on December 14, 2011, 06:12:02 PM
Gallup's economic confidence level has been steadily rising since July and the end of the debt ceiling crisis.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 14, 2011, 07:52:20 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve:  43%, -2.

Disapprove:  49%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 14, 2011, 07:58:58 PM
Gallup's economic confidence level has been steadily rising since July and the end of the debt ceiling crisis.

The only thing that is "good" is standard of living, at 48%, on Gallup.  The right track/wrong track numbers of Rasmussen are actually worse than 6 months ago.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on December 14, 2011, 08:04:16 PM
Iraq.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Politico on December 14, 2011, 09:11:47 PM

This. The rise of Gingrich/Cain has not helped with women, though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 15, 2011, 09:45:30 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 15, 2011, 02:38:20 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve:  42%, -1.

Disapprove:  50%, +1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 16, 2011, 10:34:05 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +3.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 16, 2011, 11:00:58 AM
Colorado (Ciruli Associates):

39% Approve
53% Disapprove

Governor John Hickenlooper:

59% Approve
18% Disapprove

http://fciruli.blogspot.com


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on December 16, 2011, 01:37:21 PM
Governor John Hickenlooper:

59% Approve
18% Disapprove

http://fciruli.blogspot.com

OMG. He'll run in 2016...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on December 17, 2011, 12:40:26 PM
Colorado (Ciruli Associates):

39% Approve
53% Disapprove

Governor John Hickenlooper:

59% Approve
18% Disapprove

http://fciruli.blogspot.com

I know its different polling companies, but have you noticed how much better he is polling nationally than in swing states?  Does Obama have basically unanimous support in CA or something?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 17, 2011, 02:15:50 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 53%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, -1.

The has to be some bad numbers in there someplace.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 17, 2011, 02:17:59 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve:  41%, -1.

Disapprove:  51%, +1.

We are back in the high danger zone.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 18, 2011, 10:35:05 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.

The has to be some bad numbers in there someplace.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 18, 2011, 03:20:06 PM
Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve:  42%, +1.

Disapprove:  51%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 19, 2011, 10:34:09 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%,-3.

What the heck is going on with the 'bots?  ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on December 19, 2011, 11:18:10 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%,-3.

What the heck is going on with the 'bots?  ;)

The Bots do not call cell phones.  At least conceptually if you have a known and stable sample universe you can use other demographic weights (age, gender, income, race, region, communty size, etc) to get around this.

During the Christmas Festive Holiday Season, this may not work as well.

Rasmussen gets a tad quirky around big travel seasons. - Just the way it is :)



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 19, 2011, 04:52:22 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve:  42%, u.

Disapprove:  50%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 19, 2011, 04:53:46 PM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%,-3.

What the heck is going on with the 'bots?  ;)

The Bots do not call cell phones.  At least conceptually if you have a known and stable sample universe you can use other demographic weights (age, gender, income, race, region, communty size, etc) to get around this.

During the Christmas Festive Holiday Season, this may not work as well.

Rasmussen gets a tad quirky around big travel seasons. - Just the way it is :)

Thanks, that explains a lot.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 20, 2011, 08:39:14 AM
This should scare Republicans:

Note that this is among likely voters in the Republican caucuses in Iowa:


Quote
Q25 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of the Republican establishment?

Favorable........................................................ 34%
Unfavorable .................................................... 34%
Not sure .......................................................... 31%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_IA_1218925.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 20, 2011, 09:57:27 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 51%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, u.

Maybe everyone just hates everything?  ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on December 20, 2011, 11:02:19 AM
This should scare Republicans:

Note that this is among likely voters in the Republican caucuses in Iowa:


Quote
Q25 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of the Republican establishment?

Favorable........................................................ 34%
Unfavorable .................................................... 34%
Not sure .......................................................... 31%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_IA_1218925.pdf

It shouldn't scare them because we all should know by now that those Tea Party crazies hate any form of establishment (but, ironically, remain loyal Republican voters).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 20, 2011, 01:06:30 PM



Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve:  43%, +1.

Disapprove:  50%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 21, 2011, 03:15:50 AM
Reason-Rupe Poll:

49% Approve
47% Disapprove

http://reason.com/poll


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Adam Griffin on December 21, 2011, 06:08:30 AM
ABC-Washington Post: (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obamas-job-approval-ratings-show-signs-of-improvement-post-abc-poll-finds/2011/12/19/gIQAdArC5O_story.html?hpid=z1)

Approval 49%
Disapproval 47%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 21, 2011, 10:08:49 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 51%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on December 21, 2011, 10:50:17 AM
This should scare Republicans:

Note that this is among likely voters in the Republican caucuses in Iowa:


Quote
Q25 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of the Republican establishment?

Favorable........................................................ 34%
Unfavorable .................................................... 34%
Not sure .......................................................... 31%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_IA_1218925.pdf

It shouldn't scare them because we all should know by now that those Tea Party crazies hate any form of establishment (but, ironically, remain loyal Republican voters).

Teaparty folk support the Constitution with vigor, for instance. Your statement makes no sense. Their objection to the Republican "establishment" is not that it exists, but, rather, that its values are antithetical to Teaparty values.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 21, 2011, 11:40:38 AM
The new CBS poll has

47% Approve
44% Disapprove

...

That would bring his RCP approval rating to 46.6-48.9.

If we include the Reason poll from above, then it would be 46.9-48.6


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Alcon on December 21, 2011, 02:51:25 PM
This should scare Republicans:

Note that this is among likely voters in the Republican caucuses in Iowa:


Quote
Q25 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of the Republican establishment?

Favorable........................................................ 34%
Unfavorable .................................................... 34%
Not sure .......................................................... 31%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_IA_1218925.pdf

The word "establishment" only gets 34% disapproval among members of a group built around being against the establishment.  I don't see anything remotely troublesome for the GOP there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 21, 2011, 03:03:49 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve:  43%, u.

Disapprove:  49%, +1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 22, 2011, 09:43:55 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, +2.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 37%, +2.

Lowest Strongly Disapprove number since late June.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 22, 2011, 01:25:08 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve:  43%, u.

Disapprove:  48%, -1.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 23, 2011, 10:01:12 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, -2.

Disapprove 51%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, +1.

And Rasmussen continues to be visited by the Ghost of Robots Past.  :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 23, 2011, 05:03:19 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx)

Approve:  44%, +1.

Disapprove:  48%, u.

Happy Festivus everyone.




Title: Re: SurveyUSA: First Obama Approval Ratings in various states
Post by: Industigy on December 25, 2011, 11:56:32 AM

After two days on the job, 25 percent of Kentuckians already disapprove. Honeymoon over?

No, I'd say the honeymoon is over because the press is already giving him a hard time over something silly (not letting enough reporters/cameras in on that second swearing in).  :P

lol, nice.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Minnesota Mike on December 26, 2011, 01:28:27 PM
Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  47%, +3.

Disapprove:  45%, -3.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 27, 2011, 10:36:02 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 27, 2011, 04:40:58 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  46%, -1.

Disapprove:  48%, +3.


Christmas, a bad sample, or both.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on December 27, 2011, 05:27:02 PM
Meh. Up by two points, down by two points. Gallup is tetchy enough that I wouldn't read that much into it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 28, 2011, 11:47:06 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -2.

Disapprove 54%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +3.


Probably holiday related bad numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on December 28, 2011, 01:18:17 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -2.

Disapprove 54%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +3.


Probably holiday related bad numbers.

Preferentially sampling people who don't celebrate Christmas?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 28, 2011, 01:49:08 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  44%, -2.

Disapprove:  48%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 28, 2011, 01:50:05 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -2.

Disapprove 54%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +3.


Probably holiday related bad numbers.

Preferentially sampling people who don't celebrate Christmas?

Just a lot of people probably out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on December 28, 2011, 01:51:51 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -2.

Disapprove 54%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +3.


Probably holiday related bad numbers.

Preferentially sampling people who don't celebrate Christmas?

Sorta. People with strong family structures tend to be more Republican, and, as a result, travel away from home more often during the Christmas season.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on December 28, 2011, 08:30:15 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -2.

Disapprove 54%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +3.


Probably holiday related bad numbers.

Preferentially sampling people who don't celebrate Christmas?

Sorta. People with strong family structures tend to be more Republican, and, as a result, travel away from home more often during the Christmas season.

...and non-Christians who don't celebrate Christmas

I wouldn't trust any poll taken between the winter solstice and January 3


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 29, 2011, 10:35:07 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, u.

Disapprove 55%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 29, 2011, 05:11:35 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  41%, -3.

Disapprove:  50%, +2.

Probably bad numbers due to the holiday.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 30, 2011, 11:01:16 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, -1.

Disapprove 54%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +1.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on December 30, 2011, 11:53:17 AM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  41%, -3.

Disapprove:  50%, +2.

Probably bad numbers due to the holiday.

Yeah, Americans disapprove of Obama's decision to spend a week in Hawaii.

They rather want him back on the continent ... :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 30, 2011, 05:41:16 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  43%, +2.

Disapprove:  48%, -2.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on December 31, 2011, 11:08:27 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, +2.

Disapprove 52%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook on January 01, 2012, 12:38:23 AM
Now when are you going to post the Obama vs. Predecessors for their 3rd year post?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 02, 2012, 12:07:31 AM
Now when are you going to post the Obama vs. Predecessors for their 3rd year post?

I've already done that, in effect.  The 40% mark on Gallup weekly is basically the point of no return; Obama has been above that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 03, 2012, 10:47:09 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 53%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +2.

The numbers are here today:  http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on January 03, 2012, 01:38:49 PM
Gallup is at 45A/47D.

Either it's a short term bump due to Iraq or a structural improvement due to greater optimism about the economy.  Obama could be following a 6 month delayed Reagan trajectory if it's the latter case.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on January 03, 2012, 02:34:28 PM
Gallup is at 45A/47D.

Either it's a short term bump due to Iraq or a structural improvement due to greater optimism about the economy.  Obama could be following a 6 month delayed Reagan trajectory if it's the latter case.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/122840/Gallup-Daily-Economic-Indexes.aspx

It may be structural. The Gallup Economic Confidence is still negative and sits at -32, but compare it to the end of July when it was -55. At that point his approvals were around 39/52. There has been a noticeable trend in an improving perception about the economy, and this can only help Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 03, 2012, 03:48:12 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  45%, +2.

Disapprove:  47%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 04, 2012, 11:05:58 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 04, 2012, 05:52:33 PM
Gallup's site is undergoing maintenance, so I can't post now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Disarray on January 04, 2012, 06:13:24 PM
Gallup's site is undergoing maintenance, so I can't post now.

Saw it earlier

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  47%, +2.

Disapprove:  46%, -1.

You can also see Gallup's numbers on RCP
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 05, 2012, 12:15:45 AM
Gallup's site is undergoing maintenance, so I can't post now.

Saw it earlier

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  47%, +2.

Disapprove:  46%, -1.

You can also see Gallup's numbers on RCP
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

Thank you.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 05, 2012, 11:33:02 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -1.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 05, 2012, 04:05:37 PM
Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  46%, -1.

Disapprove:  47%, +1.

When it comes to Gallup, if you don't like the numbers, just wait a few days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 06, 2012, 10:34:25 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, +1.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, -1.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 06, 2012, 04:27:28 PM
Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  45%, -1.

Disapprove:  46%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 07, 2012, 11:12:48 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

I'm not sure if the numbers were updated today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 07, 2012, 09:47:23 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  45%, u.

Disapprove:  46%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 08, 2012, 09:51:26 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Simfan34 on January 08, 2012, 08:03:02 PM
What we see is almost Hitlerian.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CultureKing on January 08, 2012, 09:27:50 PM

...What?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 09, 2012, 06:35:26 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, -2.

Disapprove 55%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 42%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 09, 2012, 06:37:57 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  46%, +1.

Disapprove:  47%, +1.

Yesterday, this was unchanged.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on January 09, 2012, 07:56:16 PM

I know that when I think Hitler, I think mediocre but stable approval ratings.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 09, 2012, 09:35:43 PM

I know that when I think Hitler, I think mediocre but stable approval ratings.

Hitler was actually popular in the 1930's.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: dg87 on January 10, 2012, 10:35:08 AM

I know that when I think Hitler, I think mediocre but stable approval ratings.

Hitler was actually popular in the 1930's.

I tend to disagree to that statement. The time he "took" office was accompanied by large riots and people fleeing the country, despite the polling probably not being at todays standards.

Anyways, I don't think this has anything to do with the actual topic.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 10, 2012, 02:02:47 PM

I know that when I think Hitler, I think mediocre but stable approval ratings.

Hitler was actually popular in the 1930's.

I tend to disagree to that statement. The time he "took" office was accompanied by large riots and people fleeing the country, despite the polling probably not being at todays standards.

Anyways, I don't think this has anything to do with the actual topic.

Polls that came out from the Goebbels headquarters should be subject to a ton of salt.

But I think it was true that the public opinion during the first few years of Hitler was very favorable towards him, because of the reduction of unemployment.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on January 10, 2012, 02:26:20 PM

I know that when I think Hitler, I think mediocre but stable approval ratings.

Hitler was actually popular in the 1930's.

I tend to disagree to that statement. The time he "took" office was accompanied by large riots and people fleeing the country, despite the polling probably not being at todays standards.

Anyways, I don't think this has anything to do with the actual topic.

All threads require at least a random sprinkle of Nazi talk. It's the law.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 10, 2012, 03:39:45 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, -2.

Disapprove 55%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -2.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 10, 2012, 03:42:20 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  42%, -4.

Disapprove:  50%, +3.

Like I said, if you don't the numbers on Gallup, just wait a few days. 



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Dan the Roman on January 10, 2012, 05:48:24 PM

I know that when I think Hitler, I think mediocre but stable approval ratings.

Hitler was actually popular in the 1930's.

I tend to disagree to that statement. The time he "took" office was accompanied by large riots and people fleeing the country, despite the polling probably not being at todays standards.

Anyways, I don't think this has anything to do with the actual topic.

Polls that came out from the Goebbels headquarters should be subject to a ton of salt.

But I think it was true that the public opinion during the first few years of Hitler was very favorable towards him, because of the reduction of unemployment.

People were happy the "political crisis" was settled, though some might well have preferred a different settlement. No one though wanted to go back to the risk of civil war or a communist takeover.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on January 10, 2012, 06:29:30 PM
Like I said, if you don't the numbers on Gallup, just wait a few days. 

Oh good.  I thought about going to the doctor after I couldn't the numbers, but I will take your advice and wait a few days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on January 10, 2012, 06:43:19 PM
Yeah... a 7% swing in a day shows a really reliable polling system, lol


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 11, 2012, 09:48:52 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, +2.

Disapprove 54%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 11, 2012, 04:26:36 PM
Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  43%, +1.

Disapprove:  49%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 12, 2012, 09:51:40 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 38%, -1.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 12, 2012, 02:06:12 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  43%, u.

Disapprove:  48%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 13, 2012, 02:48:50 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 39%, +1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 13, 2012, 02:50:34 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  45%, +2.

Disapprove:  46%, -2.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on January 13, 2012, 03:02:10 PM
So Gallup and Ramussen both had random bad samples at the exact same time...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 13, 2012, 04:16:19 PM
So Gallup and Ramussen both had random bad samples at the exact same time...

No, I'd suspect Rasmussen is closer, but for historic purposes, I'm looking at Gallup.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 14, 2012, 12:11:27 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, -1.

Disapprove 53%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, +2.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 14, 2012, 01:21:36 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  45%, u.

Disapprove:  48%, +2.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 15, 2012, 10:29:46 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -1.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 15, 2012, 01:31:19 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  46%, -1.

Disapprove:  48%, u.

Sometimes over the next fortnight, I might not be available.  Someone can fill in?



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 16, 2012, 09:45:35 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, u.

Disapprove 54%, -+1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 16, 2012, 03:02:01 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  46%, u.

Disapprove:  47%, -1.

Obama's weekly Gallup number, at 45%, is one point lower that G W. Bush's lowest number prior to the election.  (In a month to month comparison, it is lower than any applicable presidential number for the second week of January since WWII.)






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 17, 2012, 09:52:32 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, +1.

Disapprove 53%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 17, 2012, 03:09:04 PM
Quote
It's not as if Obama's suddenly become popular.  He remains under water with 47% of voters approving of him to 50% who disapprove. But Romney's even less popular, with only 35% rating him favorably while 53% have a negative opinion of him. Over the last month Romney's seen his negatives with independents rise from 46% to 54%, suggesting that the things he has to say and do to win the Republican nomination aren't necessarily helping him for the general. Obama's turned what was a 45-36 deficit with independents a month ago into a 51-41 advantage.

One thing that really stands out in this poll is the extent to which Obama has claimed the middle.  He's up 68-27 on Romney with moderates.  He also leads by 20 points with voters under 45, a group there's been some concern about slippage with, and he has a 66-30 advantage with Hispanics.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/01/obama-up-5-on-romney-nationally.html#more


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 17, 2012, 03:44:08 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  46%, u.

Disapprove:  46%, -1.

If you don't like the numbers, don't worry; it's Gallup.  You'll see numbers you like sometime in the next week.  ;)







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 18, 2012, 10:23:48 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 18, 2012, 10:31:40 AM
CBS: 47-45

WaPo: 48-48

The other PPP poll for DailyKos: 45-51


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 18, 2012, 03:34:16 PM
Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  45%, -1.

Disapprove:  46%, u.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 19, 2012, 10:39:17 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, 4.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 19, 2012, 04:02:06 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  45%, u.

Disapprove:  46%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 20, 2012, 09:40:10 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 40%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 21, 2012, 10:00:52 AM
1/20/12

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  45%, u.

Disapprove:  46%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 21, 2012, 10:02:32 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, -1.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  39%, -1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 21, 2012, 01:48:39 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  46%, +1.

Disapprove:  46%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 21, 2012, 07:28:18 PM
The difference between the 2 tracking polls seems to be mostly in the sample.

While I don't know Gallup's sample, Rasmussen is using a model that is unlikely to be the case this year:

"Currently, the baseline targets for the adult population are 33.9% Republicans, 33.3% Democrats, and 32.8% unaffiliated."

Which means their LV tracking sample is even more Republican-leaning ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 21, 2012, 10:54:52 PM
The difference between the 2 tracking polls seems to be mostly in the sample.

While I don't know Gallup's sample, Rasmussen is using a model that is unlikely to be the case this year:

"Currently, the baseline targets for the adult population are 33.9% Republicans, 33.3% Democrats, and 32.8% unaffiliated."

Which means their LV tracking sample is even more Republican-leaning ...

There is not a lot of difference between 46% and 46%.  :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 22, 2012, 10:22:59 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -1.

Disapprove 53%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  39%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Politico on January 22, 2012, 10:24:43 AM
There is a strong correlation between Gingrich getting airtime and Obama getting higher approval ratings.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 22, 2012, 05:16:36 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  44%, -2.

Disapprove:  46%, u.

You were saying Politico?  :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Professor on January 22, 2012, 06:36:50 PM
J.J., I need to know what your plans are for Valentine's Day.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on January 23, 2012, 03:28:48 AM
J.J., I need to know what your plans are for Valentine's Day.

Seconded.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 23, 2012, 09:49:30 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, +2.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 21%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  38%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 23, 2012, 03:28:05 PM
J.J., I need to know what your plans are for Valentine's Day.

Unless you are female, tall and dark skinned, no you don't.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 23, 2012, 03:29:15 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  44%, u.

Disapprove:  46%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on January 23, 2012, 07:57:15 PM
I'm not sure how I feel now knowing that, swapping out 'skin' for 'hair', J.J. and I have the same 'type'.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 24, 2012, 09:47:01 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, +1.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  38%, u.

It could be either a bad sample or "President Gingrich."  :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 24, 2012, 10:05:24 AM
Will be interesting to see if he hits 50% after the speech tonight ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Niemeyerite on January 24, 2012, 01:48:05 PM
J.J., I need to know what your plans are for Valentine's Day.

Unless you are female, tall and dark skinned, no you don't.

EPIC WIN


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 24, 2012, 02:22:21 PM



Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  44%, u.

Disapprove:  47%, +1.

Obama's weekly is at 45%, which is not good, but is survivable.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: nikothari on January 25, 2012, 10:38:30 AM
View my blog for information about Obama's 4 years

voterepublican12.blogspot.com/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on January 25, 2012, 12:27:40 PM
View my blog for information about Obama's 4 years

voterepublican12.blogspot.com/

That blog is so shamelessly disingenuous that I have to ask - are you Mitt Romney? ???


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 25, 2012, 01:48:27 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 51%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  38%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 25, 2012, 01:53:23 PM
Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  43%, -1.

Disapprove:  49%, +2.

A 43% weekly number would difficult to survive, but still possible.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Biden is your president. Deal with it. on January 25, 2012, 04:57:27 PM
Could we expect a SOTU bump?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on January 25, 2012, 05:02:58 PM
View my blog for information about Obama's 4 years

voterepublican12.blogspot.com/

Really, disinformation.

The "Iran likes Obama" picture is an obvious fraud.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on January 25, 2012, 05:03:54 PM

SOTU bumps are largely fictional, I believe.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 25, 2012, 07:41:22 PM

That, and we won't catch any of it until tomorrow, at the earliest. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 26, 2012, 12:13:59 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, -2.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  38%, u.

My guess is that a bad sample is working through.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 26, 2012, 04:58:03 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  44%, +1.

Disapprove:  49%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 27, 2012, 02:23:09 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, +2.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 27, 2012, 02:24:56 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  43%, -1.

Disapprove:  49%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 28, 2012, 12:18:24 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  39%, -1.

Looking at the numbers over the last week, Obama is improving slightly.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 28, 2012, 07:48:29 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  46%, +3.

Disapprove:  47%, -2.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 29, 2012, 12:10:21 PM
Kansas (SurveyUSA):

38-56

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=47a767c3-dff1-4a91-b02d-49b068e3cc6f

That means something like 49% approval nationwide.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 29, 2012, 01:05:33 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, +1.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  39%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on January 29, 2012, 02:27:47 PM
Kansas (SurveyUSA):

38-56

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=47a767c3-dff1-4a91-b02d-49b068e3cc6f

That means something like 49% approval nationwide.

If you don't include undecideds and just divide the approval by all those registering an opinion, it's only one point below what he got in Kansas in 2008.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 30, 2012, 11:46:47 AM
Rasmussen:

51% Approve (+2)
47% Disapprove (-3)

That’s the president’s highest level of overall approval in more than a year.

In potential Election 2012 matchups, it’s President Obama 47% and Romney 41%. However, if Gingrich is his Republican opponent, the president holds a double-digit lead, 52% to 35%. 

That’s the president’s biggest lead over Romney since November and his largest advantage over Gingrich since October.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 30, 2012, 11:49:02 AM
Obama vs. Newt is just LULZ.

:)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on January 30, 2012, 12:13:47 PM
Clearly the American people are seeing the light. Confronted with the choice of two right-wing liars (one of whom happens to be a Mormon Manchurian candidate), they are saying "Four More Years!"


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on January 30, 2012, 12:38:15 PM
Us Newtonians must redouble our efforts in supporting Gingrich to be the Republican nominee.

EDIT: Here's a graph of Obama's approval since he took office - you can really see the slow but steady approval rating increase in the last few months - I'm using TPM's Poll Tracker since it's a lot less sensitive than RCP's and you get a clearer look at the trends.

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on January 30, 2012, 03:03:27 PM
More of the same another 4 years, doh!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 30, 2012, 08:22:47 PM
Rasmussen:

51% Approve (+2)
47% Disapprove (-3)

That’s the president’s highest level of overall approval in more than a year.

In potential Election 2012 matchups, it’s President Obama 47% and Romney 41%. However, if Gingrich is his Republican opponent, the president holds a double-digit lead, 52% to 35%. 

That’s the president’s biggest lead over Romney since November and his largest advantage over Gingrich since October.

Also:

Strongly approve dropped by 1 and Strongly disapproved dropped by 2.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 30, 2012, 08:25:47 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  46%, u.

Disapprove:  47%, +1


I'm going to be in and out sporadically this week, so could someone else cover both Gallup and Rasmussen?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on January 30, 2012, 08:53:02 PM
More of the same another 4 years, doh!

Well, yeah. 'Help keep America from becoming unimaginably worse and never getting better again: Vote Obama 2012' isn't the world's catchiest slogan, but it's one of the most honest ones possible for his campaign.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on January 31, 2012, 02:09:17 AM
Also, Dems lead the generic congressional ballot in Rasmussen for the first time in two and a half years.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 31, 2012, 02:11:56 AM
Gallup is off.

Being at 51-47 with Rasmussen means Obama's at 55-45 in other polls ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on January 31, 2012, 12:40:52 PM
Rasmussen is 51-48 today, Obama is still above 50%. :)

And PPP is 47-49, with favorability of 48-47.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on January 31, 2012, 12:55:56 PM
Oregon (DHM Research):

55% Approve (up from 46% in their poll from last year)

http://news.opb.org/article/poll-shows-oregonians-turning-optimistic-about-states-direction/

It's from this company that had this good OR governor poll out last year:

https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/GOVERNOR/2010/polls.php?fips=41


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 31, 2012, 07:16:00 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 51%, u.

Disapprove 48%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  36%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on January 31, 2012, 07:18:07 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  46%, u.

Disapprove:  47%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on January 31, 2012, 08:02:29 PM
Also, Dems lead the generic congressional ballot in Rasmussen for the first time in two and a half years.

Even Scottie has given up on the Republicans.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on January 31, 2012, 09:49:49 PM
Also, Dems lead the generic congressional ballot in Rasmussen for the first time in two and a half years.

Even Scottie has given up on the Republicans.

He's punishing them for voting for the RINO.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 01, 2012, 06:45:27 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, -2.

Disapprove 49%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  37%, +1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 01, 2012, 06:47:08 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  44%, -2.

Disapprove:  49%, +2.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 02, 2012, 05:59:15 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, -2.

Disapprove 51%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  39%, +2.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 02, 2012, 06:00:53 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  46%, -2.

Disapprove:  47%, -2.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 02, 2012, 06:03:54 PM
Am I imagining it or has Obama's strongly approve been steadily improving in Rasmussen?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 02, 2012, 10:58:47 PM
Am I imagining it or has Obama's strongly approve been steadily improving in Rasmussen?

You are imaging it. 

They bumped up clearly after the first of the year and have been in a 21-26 point range since then.  Off their lows, but not dramatically rising.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 02, 2012, 11:06:32 PM
Last year they were regularly in the high 10s to very low 20s. Now they're in the mid 20s.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 03, 2012, 09:00:19 AM
Last year they were regularly in the high 10s to very low 20s. Now they're in the mid 20s.

No, a year ago, they were slightly higher.  They were running sightly higher than now in early July.  There was only one point where Obama's numbers were below 20 for more than three days, and his low was 18.  That was in October, and he was getting numbers in the mid-20's in November.

Like I said, Obama is off his lows in "Strongly Approve."  He is still well of his 2011 high of January; that was 31%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on February 03, 2012, 11:17:46 AM
He'll probably get a slight boost from the employment data.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 03, 2012, 04:15:22 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, -1.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, +1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 03, 2012, 04:17:17 PM
Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  45%, -1.

Disapprove:  48%, +1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on February 03, 2012, 06:39:20 PM
The WMUR Granite State Poll shows that 38 percent of New Hampshire adults think the country is headed in the right direction, while 50 percent say it's on the wrong track.Obama has seen his job approval rating nearly flip from the last Granite State Poll in October, with 51 percent now saying they like the job the president is doing, compared to 43 percent who don't. Just 41 percent said they approved in October.Obama's improved fortunes are also reflected in head-to-head matchups against the Republican field in New Hampshire. In hypothetical matchups, Obama leads Mitt Romney by 10 points, Ron Paul by eight points, and trounces Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum by 25 and 21 points respectively.

Read more: http://www.wmur.com/politics/30373435/detail.html#ixzz1lMgfcJyC


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 04, 2012, 04:23:47 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 04, 2012, 04:26:01 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  46%, +1.

Disapprove:  46%, -2.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 05, 2012, 05:06:24 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, +1.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  39%, -1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 05, 2012, 05:09:14 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  46%,


Disapprove:  46%,


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 06, 2012, 10:03:31 AM
For the first time since last July, Obama is above water again on the RCP average:

48% Approve
47% Disapprove

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

Rasmussen is back up to 50-48 today (incl. a 49-42 Obama lead over Romney and a 50-38 lead over Paul, but I guess they meant Gingrich not Paul ...)

Washington Post/ABC has Obama at 50-47 approval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 06, 2012, 10:03:48 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, +2.

Disapprove 48%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  37%, -2.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 06, 2012, 10:07:31 AM
Rasmussen also says Obama's approval is 41-56 in Arizona:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/arizona/in_arizona_obama_approval_at_41

I don't think they polled GE matchups there ... :(


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 06, 2012, 12:39:30 PM
Halftime in America bump.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: adrac on February 06, 2012, 02:51:23 PM
I think that this major bump has more to do with the nature of RCP's rolling average than any legitimate external factor.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on February 06, 2012, 02:53:01 PM
Agreed. This probably reflects improvement in Obama's numbers over a period of a couple of weeks or so, not a couple of days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on February 06, 2012, 03:18:03 PM
I vastly prefer TPM's Poll Tracker (http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/contest/us-approval-obama) to RCP's average. It's the same concept, but a lot less sensitive, so less prone to exciting and misleading drops and surges.

You can clearly see that Obama's been slowly but surely improving - the gap between approve and disapprove peaked in September of last year, and since then there's been a steady rise in approval and fall in disapproval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on February 07, 2012, 12:50:20 AM

Obama should drop Biden for Eastwood.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 07, 2012, 09:40:03 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 51%, +1.

Disapprove 48%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  36%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 07, 2012, 02:01:19 PM
And Gallup is still not updating.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Earthling on February 07, 2012, 02:27:39 PM
Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  46%, nc

Disapprove:  48% +2


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: MIKESOWELL on February 07, 2012, 07:46:24 PM
These threads are very interesting.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 08, 2012, 10:01:07 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, -1.

Disapprove 49%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  36%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on February 08, 2012, 11:10:16 AM
Good economic news bounce must be here. Time for Obama to start putting out the positive ads, he needs to start early.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on February 08, 2012, 03:58:14 PM
Good economic news bounce must be here. Time for Obama to start putting out the positive ads, he needs to start early.

While I doubt that the 'Halftime in America' ad was meant to be seen as such (partly because while Clint Eastwood's politics may be many things, some of them admirable, conventional American liberalism has never seemed to be one of them), there may be something to the idea that it's having this sort of effect.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 08, 2012, 03:58:56 PM
Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  47%, +1

Disapprove:  48% -1



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on February 09, 2012, 03:36:34 PM
Good economic news bounce must be here. Time for Obama to start putting out the positive ads, he needs to start early.

While I doubt that the 'Halftime in America' ad was meant to be seen as such (partly because while Clint Eastwood's politics may be many things, some of them admirable, conventional American liberalism has never seemed to be one of them), there may be something to the idea that it's having this sort of effect.

It could be that within a few years conservatism will reappear vastly different from what it is now. The contemporary Right that has absorbed demagoguery and irrationality may be on its way out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 09, 2012, 03:53:06 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, u.

Disapprove 49%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  37%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 09, 2012, 03:55:02 PM
Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  49%, +2

Disapprove:  45% -2




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2012, 06:04:21 PM
It's official: America is Obama-country again.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Chaddyr23 on February 10, 2012, 01:38:16 AM
It's official: America is Obama-country again.
I wish this was true but prolly wont last thru election day!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on February 10, 2012, 02:02:03 AM
It's official: America is Obama-country again.
I wish this was true but prolly wont last thru election day!

Obama is more likely to tread water around ~49-52%, with a few blips in either direction, than start going downhill again unless the economy gets shot to Hell again (or become as popular as he was at the start of his term, for that matter). He's such a known quantity that 'spin' around him is pretty much pointless at this point, and campaignwise he can give as much as he can get, in terms of money and organization. Expecting him to improve much beyond a few points above water is also ridiculous, though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 10, 2012, 11:52:28 AM
Rasmussen today has 51-49 (+1, nc)

27% strongly approve (+1), 37% strongly disapprove (nc)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: HST1948 on February 10, 2012, 01:08:22 PM
Gallup: 48-46 (-1, +1)
Fox: 48-45


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 11, 2012, 02:11:12 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  48%, u

Disapprove:  46% u




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 11, 2012, 02:15:36 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, +1.

Disapprove 49%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  39%, +2.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 12, 2012, 09:41:07 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, -1.

Disapprove 49%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  39%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 12, 2012, 02:16:41 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  45%, -3

Disapprove:  48% +2





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on February 12, 2012, 02:27:25 PM
lol Gallup


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 12, 2012, 10:19:10 PM

People were just praising it when Obama was up.

But, as I say:  If you don't like the Gallup numbers, just wait a few days.  :)

The Gallup weekly numbers are more important and they are more important for historical comparison.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on February 13, 2012, 01:31:13 AM

People were just praising it when Obama was up.

But, as I say:  If you don't like the Gallup numbers, just wait a few days.  :)

The Gallup weekly numbers are more important and they are more important for historical comparison.

I ignore Gallup, and have done since they recorded a swing of something like 16% in a week... which, without extraordinary events, is just rubbish...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on February 13, 2012, 05:33:00 AM
IBOPE Zogby Poll: Obama Approval and National Direction Continue Improvement

The IBOPE Zogby interactive poll of likely voters conducted from January 27-30 also finds Obama’s job approval at 46%, the highest since June 2011. The percentage saying Obama deserves re-election is 41%, which is slightly more than it has been over the past few months, but eight points more than its low of 33% in September, 2011.
Favorable ratings for each are as follows: Obama 48%, Rick Santorum 39%, Mitt Romney 37%, Ron Paul 37% and Newt Gingrich 32%.
While a majority of voters still say the nation is “on the wrong track” (59%), this is the lowest such total since May 2011. The number saying the nation is headed in the right direction is now 33%.

http://www.ibopezogby.com/news/2012/01/30/ibope-zogby-poll-obama-approval-and-national-direction-continue-improvement/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 13, 2012, 09:59:05 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, +1.

Disapprove 48%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  39%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 13, 2012, 10:08:09 AM

I ignore Gallup, and have done since they recorded a swing of something like 16% in a week... which, without extraordinary events, is just rubbish...

It has not been that high, but there is a lot of instability in its daily numbers.  The total range in its weekly numbers has been six points over the last six months; that is not a huge swing.

I like Gallup because it has a long historic record that is useful for comparison.  I prefer the Rasmussen daily numbers (which is ironic since Obama is up with the 'bots today).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on February 13, 2012, 10:49:47 AM
President Barack Obama's approval in Indiana stood at 42 percent, and disapproval at 55 percent; wicked numbers for any incumbent.

Obama trailed probable (er, possible) Republican nominee Mitt Romney by just 4 percent

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/feb/12/obama-office-signals-optimism-as-recession/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 13, 2012, 11:02:49 AM
President Barack Obama's approval in Indiana stood at 42 percent, and disapproval at 55 percent; wicked numbers for any incumbent.

Obama trailed probable (er, possible) Republican nominee Mitt Romney by just 4 percent

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/feb/12/obama-office-signals-optimism-as-recession/

2 polls:

Approval rating is from December and conducted by POS, a Republican pollster.

The GE poll is part of an internal for a Democratic Senate candidate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 13, 2012, 02:48:32 PM



Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  46%, +1

Disapprove:  47% -1




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on February 13, 2012, 03:12:04 PM

I ignore Gallup, and have done since they recorded a swing of something like 16% in a week... which, without extraordinary events, is just rubbish...

It has not been that high, but there is a lot of instability in its daily numbers.  The total range in its weekly numbers has been six points over the last six months; that is not a huge swing.

I like Gallup because it has a long historic record that is useful for comparison.  I prefer the Rasmussen daily numbers (which is ironic since Obama is up with the 'bots today).

Not what I mean, I'm talking about the back and forward over the course of the week... and that has been excess of 10% many times.

It might be useful for comparison, I just find it too unstable to be a reliable indicator.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on February 13, 2012, 03:47:10 PM
I don't think Gallup pushes people as hard to make a decision as the Rasmussen bot does.  Their numbers are probably pretty much the same, but more leaners are no opinion in Gallup.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 14, 2012, 09:45:24 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 51%, +1.

Disapprove 47%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  39%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 14, 2012, 09:56:27 AM
FL (Rasmussen):

48% approve
49% disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_senate_elections/florida/election_2012_florida_senate


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 14, 2012, 02:05:24 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  45%, -1

Disapprove:  47% u



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Biden is your president. Deal with it. on February 14, 2012, 05:07:44 PM
Could Obama's ratings on the rebound finally?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on February 15, 2012, 01:06:39 AM
Could Obama's ratings on the rebound finally?

()


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 15, 2012, 01:54:05 AM
CBS News - NYT Poll:

50% Approve
43% Disapprove

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/292755/feb12poll.pdf

Once again, Gallup is the outlier poll here ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 15, 2012, 10:55:03 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, -2.

Disapprove 49%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  38%, -1.

Probably a bad sample is moving through.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: HST1948 on February 15, 2012, 03:31:43 PM
Gallup:

Approve 45%, u.

Disapprove 45%, -2.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 16, 2012, 10:25:44 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, u.

Disapprove 50%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  39%, +1.

Probably a bad sample is moving through.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on February 16, 2012, 03:05:55 PM
Obama now at 40%
re-elected: 45/48

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/NewsRoom/HarrisPolls/tabid/447/ctl/ReadCustom%20Default/mid/1508/ArticleId/965/Default.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 16, 2012, 06:12:43 PM

Gallup:

Approve 43%, -2.

Disapprove 48%, +3.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 17, 2012, 01:33:16 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, -1.

Disapprove 51%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, +1.

I'm still guessing a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 17, 2012, 01:35:55 PM


Gallup:

Approve 46%, +3.

Disapprove 48%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 17, 2012, 01:49:20 PM
lol gallup.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on February 18, 2012, 01:57:24 PM
Rasmussen

50 Approval +2
49 Disapproval -2

28% strong approval
40% strong disapproval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on February 18, 2012, 01:58:11 PM
Gallop

46% approval unchanged
48% disapproval unchanged


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 19, 2012, 10:42:02 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, -1.

Disapprove 50%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 19, 2012, 02:03:54 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  46%, +1

Disapprove:  47% -1



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 20, 2012, 10:05:59 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, u.

Disapprove 48%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  39%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on February 20, 2012, 07:17:56 PM
Gallup:

44/48

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gallup.com%2F&h=4AQF2egB1AQFqvP99rXouqnE29whPSk4wNJvK5_4mF9uBnQ


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on February 20, 2012, 07:22:11 PM
Okay, what the Hell is going on? There's no reason why Obama should be flagging right now, unless this plus that weird Obama-Romney poll are just bad samples going through Gallup.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Biden is your president. Deal with it. on February 20, 2012, 08:23:07 PM
Gallup reminds me of my ex. She was happy and than the next day a psycho lol .


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on February 20, 2012, 09:00:33 PM
That's slightly less normal with polling companies than with people, especially people in relationships.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 21, 2012, 09:35:30 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, u.

Disapprove 49%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 21, 2012, 09:44:03 AM
Okay, what the Hell is going on? There's no reason why Obama should be flagging right now, unless this plus that weird Obama-Romney poll are just bad samples going through Gallup.

Oil prices.  There is a sense, rightly or wrongly, that there will be an economic slowdown.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on February 21, 2012, 12:45:25 PM
Okay, what the Hell is going on? There's no reason why Obama should be flagging right now, unless this plus that weird Obama-Romney poll are just bad samples going through Gallup.

Oil prices.  There is a sense, rightly or wrongly, that there will be an economic slowdown.

God damn this stupid civilization and its obsession with that ing mineral slime.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on February 21, 2012, 02:17:40 PM
Obama at 41%!!!

http://americanresearchgroup.com/


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 21, 2012, 02:17:53 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  44%, u

Disapprove:  48%, u




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 21, 2012, 02:23:10 PM
Okay, what the Hell is going on? There's no reason why Obama should be flagging right now, unless this plus that weird Obama-Romney poll are just bad samples going through Gallup.

Oil prices.  There is a sense, rightly or wrongly, that there will be an economic slowdown.

God damn this stupid civilization and its obsession with that ing mineral slime.

It is the economic slowdown that it could bring that causes problems.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on February 21, 2012, 02:24:17 PM
Okay, what the Hell is going on? There's no reason why Obama should be flagging right now, unless this plus that weird Obama-Romney poll are just bad samples going through Gallup.

Oil prices.  There is a sense, rightly or wrongly, that there will be an economic slowdown.

God damn this stupid civilization and its obsession with that ing mineral slime.

It is the economic slowdown that it could bring that causes problems.

The economic slowdown wouldn't necessarily be the case if we had started looking into ways to alleviate the addiction to mineral slime considerably longer ago than we did, but yes, I understand the problem. I also understand why people are stupid enough to freak out in a herd mentality and blame the President for this. That doesn't mean I have to like it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: SUSAN CRUSHBONE on February 21, 2012, 02:42:23 PM
Obama at 41%!!!

http://americanresearchgroup.com/
ARG? Seriously?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: argentarius on February 21, 2012, 03:12:36 PM
They've been good this year to be fair.

Looks like the "good" jobs numbers bounce is wearing off. When's the next time these numbers are released.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on February 21, 2012, 03:57:21 PM
Obama will probably look very week in the summer if gas prices matter this much. He might want to consider opening up reserves in the summer, but it'd be a dangerously overpolitical move.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: izixs on February 22, 2012, 04:14:53 AM
Obama will probably look very week in the summer if gas prices matter this much. He might want to consider opening up reserves in the summer, but it'd be a dangerously overpolitical move.

He can rightly claim that he's trying to protect the economic recovery. The Republicans can call it a political move but people will be happy to see him doing anything he can to help them. This is especially true if things remain hot in the middle east (mainly with Iran). The country is used to trouble in the middle east = energy prices going up. And if Iran is the focus on the summer gas prices might be high but people have their minds on other things.

As for the ARG poll being good or not, a poll's worth is not tested until the election hits. And there's no other election in the world like the US Presidential one, so I'd wait to say its hitting the numbers right or not this year, and rely on past successes and failures to color the reliability of polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 22, 2012, 11:25:44 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, +1.

Disapprove 49%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 22, 2012, 06:17:57 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  45%, +1

Disapprove:  48%, u





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 23, 2012, 10:43:26 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, u.

Disapprove 49%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, u.

Interesting jump in "Strongly Approved."  Bad sample, real trend?  Stay tuned.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 23, 2012, 02:03:23 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  45%, u

Disapprove:  48%, u

At 45% approval on Gallup, Obama is lower at this close in time than any re-elected president since Truman; Gallup didn't poll in February 1948.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on February 23, 2012, 04:26:37 PM
45 percent is an all-time low?  Presidents are popular in Feb I guess.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: sentinel on February 23, 2012, 04:27:27 PM
It's probably been discussed before but anyone want to comment on why Gallup seems like the outlier as of late?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 23, 2012, 05:42:29 PM
45 percent is an all-time low?  Presidents are popular in Feb I guess.

Re-elected president, possibly excepting Truman.  GHWB was at 39%.  Ford was at 46%.  Carter was peaking at between 55-53%.  LBJ was at 58% in February, 1968, prior to dropping out.

Right now, Obama is below GWB at any point in the latter's first term.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on February 23, 2012, 06:11:47 PM
45 percent is an all-time low?  Presidents are popular in Feb I guess.

Re-elected president, possibly excepting Truman.  GHWB was at 39%.  Ford was at 46%.  Carter was peaking at between 55-53%.  LBJ was at 58% in February, 1968, prior to dropping out.

Right now, Obama is below GWB at any point in the latter's first term.

39% = 300 EV landslide
46% = narrow loss
55% = 400 EV landslide
58% = primaried

I believe this was what they call in the stats world "no correlation exists."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 23, 2012, 07:00:04 PM
45 percent is an all-time low?  Presidents are popular in Feb I guess.

Re-elected president, possibly excepting Truman.  GHWB was at 39%.  Ford was at 46%.  Carter was peaking at between 55-53%.  LBJ was at 58% in February, 1968, prior to dropping out.

Right now, Obama is below GWB at any point in the latter's first term.

39% = 300 EV landslide
46% = narrow loss
55% = 400 EV landslide
58% = primaried

I believe this was what they call in the stats world "no correlation exists."

No, but there is a "point of no return."  At this point, it appears to be in the mid-40's.

LBJ is interesting; he might have been relected in 1968 had he been willing to fight for it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on February 24, 2012, 12:48:50 AM
No, but there is a "point of no return."  At this point, it appears to be in the mid-40's.

What makes it appear to be that?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 24, 2012, 01:07:29 AM
No, but there is a "point of no return."  At this point, it appears to be in the mid-40's.

What makes it appear to be that?

Nobody has been reelected with scores below a certain point (in the mid 40's) on Gallup.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on February 24, 2012, 03:58:21 AM
No, but there is a "point of no return."  At this point, it appears to be in the mid-40's.

What makes it appear to be that?

Nobody has been reelected with scores below a certain point (in the mid 40's) on Gallup.

Considering there's only one President to ever be below Mid-40s in February in a Gallup poll (George H.W. Bush) and he was in a unique 3 man race for re-election, that's hardly a trend.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 24, 2012, 09:26:25 AM
No, but there is a "point of no return."  At this point, it appears to be in the mid-40's.

What makes it appear to be that?

Nobody has been reelected with scores below a certain point (in the mid 40's) on Gallup.

Considering there's only one President to ever be below Mid-40s in February in a Gallup poll (George H.W. Bush) and he was in a unique 3 man race for re-election, that's hardly a trend.

I don't think it was a three man race in February 1992.  He was considering it late in the month:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot_presidential_campaign,_1992

There is also the point made several months ago about the low point within the last 18 and 12 months prior to the election.  It is where an incumbent bottoms out on Gallup.  The only one who didn't was Truman.  Ford almost survived with a 39% low 11 months out.

I am saying that, historically, Obama's numbers are not good.  He might be at the point of no return, but we'll still have to watch, because it is close to the number.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 24, 2012, 09:38:39 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, -1.

Disapprove 50%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on February 24, 2012, 01:21:27 PM
No, but there is a "point of no return."  At this point, it appears to be in the mid-40's.

What makes it appear to be that?

Nobody has been reelected with scores below a certain point (in the mid 40's) on Gallup.

Considering there's only one President to ever be below Mid-40s in February in a Gallup poll (George H.W. Bush) and he was in a unique 3 man race for re-election, that's hardly a trend.

I don't think it was a three man race in February 1992.  He was considering it late in the month:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot_presidential_campaign,_1992

There is also the point made several months ago about the low point within the last 18 and 12 months prior to the election.  It is where an incumbent bottoms out on Gallup.  The only one who didn't was Truman.  Ford almost survived with a 39% low 11 months out.

I am saying that, historically, Obama's numbers are not good.  He might be at the point of no return, but we'll still have to watch, because it is close to the number.

Gallup is sensitive enough that this would be a nearly meaningless statement even with a Republican field that was something other than a travesty and abortion of decent conservative politics.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 24, 2012, 02:56:21 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  45%, u

Disapprove:  47%, +1






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 24, 2012, 03:03:43 PM


Gallup is sensitive enough that this would be a nearly meaningless statement even with a Republican field that was something other than a travesty and abortion of decent conservative politics.

Actually, I'm using the weekly numbers, which are fairly stable.  They have shown only a 4 point range from 12/1/11 until 2/19/12.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on February 24, 2012, 03:16:44 PM


Gallup is sensitive enough that this would be a nearly meaningless statement even with a Republican field that was something other than a travesty and abortion of decent conservative politics.

Actually, I'm using the weekly numbers, which are fairly stable.  They have shown only a 4 point range from 12/1/11 until 2/19/12.

I've also been finding it interesting how it seems like at some point over the past year or so Gallup just kind of drifted to the generally low end in terms of the President's approval ratings. I might be misremembering but it seemed like it used to be consistently fairly bullish on him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 24, 2012, 03:49:07 PM



I've also been finding it interesting how it seems like at some point over the past year or so Gallup just kind of drifted to the generally low end in terms of the President's approval ratings. I might be misremembering but it seemed like it used to be consistently fairly bullish on him.

It hit lows in the summer and they went into the fall, so there has been some improvement. 

I marked the "turn" in September/early October (my "von Kluck analogy").  That was not too unusual.  It was Carter's low point; Obama was 11% ahead of Carter.  Both Bushes showed a slide over the third year summer/fall.

Obama is clearly off his lows, but so far, not nearly enough. 

The good news for Obama, however, is that, excepting GWB, his low point was higher than everyone back to Ford, at this point.  The bad news is that GHWB experienced his low in the spring/summer of 1992, as did GWB.  GWB's "low" was one point higher than Obama's current number.

Obama's numbers are not great currently, but before you can write him off, he'll have to slide down some more.  At this point, he's not sliding.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 25, 2012, 10:00:03 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, -2.

Disapprove 51%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 25, 2012, 04:43:45 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  45%, u

Disapprove:  46%, -1




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 26, 2012, 09:54:16 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, -1.

Disapprove 53%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 26, 2012, 06:17:59 PM



Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  44%, -1

Disapprove:  46%, u



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 27, 2012, 09:58:30 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -1.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, +1.


It could be a bad anti-Obama sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on February 27, 2012, 10:00:21 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -1.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, +1.


It could be a bad anti-Obama sample.

And, it could be high gas prices. The sample was very similiar to the sample that rolled off.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 27, 2012, 10:30:44 AM
And the Politico/Tarrance/Lake poll is the complete opposite:

53% Approve
45% Disapprove

Among likely voters.

Maybe Rasmussen has a bad sample inside, and well Gallup is just Gallup - flawed and outdated like the GOP.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on February 27, 2012, 10:32:32 AM
I tend to just mentally resolve all of these approval rating bounces to 'tie' these days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 27, 2012, 03:20:24 PM




Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  45%, +1

Disapprove:  47%, +1




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 27, 2012, 03:21:29 PM
I tend to just mentally resolve all of these approval rating bounces to 'tie' these days.

Well, by tomorrow or Wednesday, we should know for sure.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on February 27, 2012, 08:12:38 PM
I tend to just mentally resolve all of these approval rating bounces to 'tie' these days.

Well, by tomorrow or Wednesday, we should know for sure.

It's not a question of knowing for sure about any one poll so much as how they all seem to be clustered in that general 45-53 range but go off on their own weird little tracks within that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 28, 2012, 10:00:55 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, +2.

Disapprove 52%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, -2.


A moderately bad sample must be moving out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on February 28, 2012, 02:06:39 PM
Meanwhile Gallup is at 43-50, the lowest in...quite a while.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 28, 2012, 02:18:57 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  43%, -2

Disapprove:  50%, +3





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Biden is your president. Deal with it. on February 28, 2012, 03:55:43 PM
This why i deleted the Gallup app on my iPhone lol gallup sucks


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 28, 2012, 05:18:08 PM
Meanwhile Gallup is at 43-50, the lowest in...quite a while.

Gallup is known for fluctuations.  The key number is the weekly number.  That 45% approval is fairly low.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on February 29, 2012, 12:12:32 AM
Meanwhile Gallup is at 43-50, the lowest in...quite a while.

Gallup is known for fluctuations.  The key number is the weekly number.  That 45% approval is fairly low.

Maybe Presidential numbers really do fluctuate wildly. Gas goes up; gas goes down.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 29, 2012, 09:29:34 AM
Meanwhile Gallup is at 43-50, the lowest in...quite a while.

Gallup is known for fluctuations.  The key number is the weekly number.  That 45% approval is fairly low.

Maybe Presidential numbers really do fluctuate wildly. Gas goes up; gas goes down.

No, they fluctuate over the week.  You have to look at the longer term numbers.  Those a reasonably stable.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 29, 2012, 09:36:31 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, +1.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 29, 2012, 01:26:34 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  45%, +2

Disapprove:  50%, u






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on February 29, 2012, 08:17:13 PM
Let's put it this way. You've been married to someone for almost 4 years and have to make a decision as to whether or not you want to be locked into another 4 years but aren't sure.  Are you going to put yourself through 4 more years of the same if you aren't completely and totally sure that you'll be happy?  If Obama is 49% or better on election night, he'll win.  At 48% he's talking about winning without the popular vote.  Any less than that and Ralph Nader would have to take votes from the GOP or there is a third party candidate like Ron Paul. The same rules apply to Obama as any other incumbent since they started taking polls. As for right now, it's February.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on February 29, 2012, 09:04:09 PM
Let's put it this way. You've been married to someone for almost 4 years and have to make a decision as to whether or not you want to be locked into another 4 years but aren't sure.  Are you going to put yourself through 4 more years of the same if you aren't completely and totally sure that you'll be happy?  If Obama is 49% or better on election night, he'll win.  At 48% he's talking about winning without the popular vote.  Any less than that and Ralph Nader would have to take votes from the GOP or there is a third party candidate like Ron Paul. The same rules apply to Obama as any other incumbent since they started taking polls. As for right now, it's February.

I think Bush was around 47-50% around election time in 2004 and won by about 3 points. So on average Obama needs to be around 46-49% to win I would think. I think if there was a snap election now, with a month to campaign, Obama would barely win against Romney, by a few more points against Santorum and would destroy Gingrich and Paul. If he can more or less keep the numbers he has right now through election day, he should be able to win.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on February 29, 2012, 09:06:35 PM
Let's put it this way. You've been married to someone for almost 4 years and have to make a decision as to whether or not you want to be locked into another 4 years but aren't sure.  Are you going to put yourself through 4 more years of the same if you aren't completely and totally sure that you'll be happy?  If Obama is 49% or better on election night, he'll win.  At 48% he's talking about winning without the popular vote.  Any less than that and Ralph Nader would have to take votes from the GOP or there is a third party candidate like Ron Paul. The same rules apply to Obama as any other incumbent since they started taking polls. As for right now, it's February.

I think Bush was around 47-50% around election time in 2004 and won by about 3 points. So on average Obama needs to be around 46-49% to win I would think. I think if there was a snap election now, with a month to campaign, Obama would barely win against Romney, by a few more points against Santorum and would destroy Gingrich and Paul. If he can more or less keep the numbers he has right now through election day, he should be able to win.

I think Bush was at 54% on election night as Clinton was in 1996.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on February 29, 2012, 09:08:05 PM
Let's put it this way. You've been married to someone for almost 4 years and have to make a decision as to whether or not you want to be locked into another 4 years but aren't sure.  Are you going to put yourself through 4 more years of the same if you aren't completely and totally sure that you'll be happy?  If Obama is 49% or better on election night, he'll win.  At 48% he's talking about winning without the popular vote.  Any less than that and Ralph Nader would have to take votes from the GOP or there is a third party candidate like Ron Paul. The same rules apply to Obama as any other incumbent since they started taking polls. As for right now, it's February.

I think Bush was around 47-50% around election time in 2004 and won by about 3 points. So on average Obama needs to be around 46-49% to win I would think. I think if there was a snap election now, with a month to campaign, Obama would barely win against Romney, by a few more points against Santorum and would destroy Gingrich and Paul. If he can more or less keep the numbers he has right now through election day, he should be able to win.

I think Bush was at 54% on election night as Clinton was in 1996.

Umm....no. Which poll are you talking about, and it mostly certainly was not the average.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: LastVoter on February 29, 2012, 09:08:24 PM
Let's put it this way. You've been married to someone for almost 4 years and have to make a decision as to whether or not you want to be locked into another 4 years but aren't sure.  Are you going to put yourself through 4 more years of the same if you aren't completely and totally sure that you'll be happy?  If Obama is 49% or better on election night, he'll win.  At 48% he's talking about winning without the popular vote.  Any less than that and Ralph Nader would have to take votes from the GOP or there is a third party candidate like Ron Paul. The same rules apply to Obama as any other incumbent since they started taking polls. As for right now, it's February.

I think Bush was around 47-50% around election time in 2004 and won by about 3 points. So on average Obama needs to be around 46-49% to win I would think. I think if there was a snap election now, with a month to campaign, Obama would barely win against Romney, by a few more points against Santorum and would destroy Gingrich and Paul. If he can more or less keep the numbers he has right now through election day, he should be able to win.

I think Bush was at 54% on election night as Clinton was in 1996.
http://www.appliedresearch.us/sf/Documents/ExitPoll.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on February 29, 2012, 09:13:14 PM
Early exit polls favor democrats by 10-15. I learned after 2004 not to listen to them or talk to anyone about them on election day. It's interesting you pointed that out. I can still remember going back from the polls and listening to Dick Morris talk about Kerry winning by 15 in states that he lost by 5-10 based on early exit polling. As soon as the results started I learned. Exit polls are accurate, but not early exit polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yank2133 on February 29, 2012, 09:15:21 PM
Let's put it this way. You've been married to someone for almost 4 years and have to make a decision as to whether or not you want to be locked into another 4 years but aren't sure.  Are you going to put yourself through 4 more years of the same if you aren't completely and totally sure that you'll be happy?  If Obama is 49% or better on election night, he'll win.  At 48% he's talking about winning without the popular vote.  Any less than that and Ralph Nader would have to take votes from the GOP or there is a third party candidate like Ron Paul. The same rules apply to Obama as any other incumbent since they started taking polls. As for right now, it's February.

Yes, if people think the alternative sucks.(in this case Romney).

People may not be satisfy with Obama, but that doesn't mean they won't vote for him.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on February 29, 2012, 09:18:48 PM
Yeah, early exit polls are not the most accurate. Really, exit polls in general tend not to be very accurate. Went back and looked at Gallup and the weeks before the election Bush was jumping around from 48-51%. And one thing to look out for, and perhaps the reason why Gallup seems to be so unfriendly to Obama, is that Hispanics don't approve of the job he has done that much but at the end of the day will vote for him. Turnout could be something to look out for though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajb on February 29, 2012, 09:19:19 PM
Let's put it this way. You've been married to someone for almost 4 years and have to make a decision as to whether or not you want to be locked into another 4 years but aren't sure.  Are you going to put yourself through 4 more years of the same if you aren't completely and totally sure that you'll be happy?  If Obama is 49% or better on election night, he'll win.  At 48% he's talking about winning without the popular vote.  Any less than that and Ralph Nader would have to take votes from the GOP or there is a third party candidate like Ron Paul. The same rules apply to Obama as any other incumbent since they started taking polls. As for right now, it's February.

Yes, if people think the alternative sucks.(in this case Romney).

People may not be satisfy with Obama, but that doesn't mean they won't vote for him.



Yes. The analogy breaks down because you don't have to be married, while we have to have a president. Obama can be re-elected at 46% approval, if his opponent is still less popular than he.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on February 29, 2012, 09:20:32 PM
Let's put it this way. You've been married to someone for almost 4 years and have to make a decision as to whether or not you want to be locked into another 4 years but aren't sure.  Are you going to put yourself through 4 more years of the same if you aren't completely and totally sure that you'll be happy?  If Obama is 49% or better on election night, he'll win.  At 48% he's talking about winning without the popular vote.  Any less than that and Ralph Nader would have to take votes from the GOP or there is a third party candidate like Ron Paul. The same rules apply to Obama as any other incumbent since they started taking polls. As for right now, it's February.

Yes, if people think the alternative sucks.(in this case Romney).

People may not be satisfy with Obama, but that doesn't mean they won't vote for him.



Based on what though? I'm sure there's democrats who disapprove of Obama but won't vote GOP in the election. The same could be said for Bush 8 years ago. The issue is independents who don't pay attention except every 4 years for a week or so. That's who actually decides elections. What you're saying maybe true for a few but again, people look for change if they aren't satisfied. You can think that Romney sucks but that doesn't mean people will stick by Obama under poor circumstances. History and patterns doesn't always pan out and has exceptions but most times follows suit. Romney will win if Obama's approval rating is below 49% and the same goes for just about anyone who runs.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yank2133 on February 29, 2012, 09:33:26 PM
Let's put it this way. You've been married to someone for almost 4 years and have to make a decision as to whether or not you want to be locked into another 4 years but aren't sure.  Are you going to put yourself through 4 more years of the same if you aren't completely and totally sure that you'll be happy?  If Obama is 49% or better on election night, he'll win.  At 48% he's talking about winning without the popular vote.  Any less than that and Ralph Nader would have to take votes from the GOP or there is a third party candidate like Ron Paul. The same rules apply to Obama as any other incumbent since they started taking polls. As for right now, it's February.

Yes, if people think the alternative sucks.(in this case Romney).

People may not be satisfy with Obama, but that doesn't mean they won't vote for him.



Based on what though? I'm sure there's democrats who disapprove of Obama but won't vote GOP in the election. The same could be said for Bush 8 years ago. The issue is independents who don't pay attention except every 4 years for a week or so. That's who actually decides elections. What you're saying maybe true for a few but again, people look for change if they aren't satisfied. You can think that Romney sucks but that doesn't mean people will stick by Obama under poor circumstances. History and patterns doesn't always pan out and has exceptions but most times follows suit. Romney will win if Obama's approval rating is below 49% and the same goes for just about anyone who runs.

Polling numbers, take Ohio for example. The President is underwater in Ohio, yet he still has a lead against Romney, Santorum etc. Why because the voters don't like the alternatives. Presidential elections are more about choices then referendum on the incumbent.

And about independents, Mitt is losing them rapidly to Obama if you look at the polls. At this point, Mitt has to hope for another economic downturn. If the election were held today, Obama would win by a comfortable margin even at a 45/46% approval rating. The electoral map and recent polling data are too much in his favor.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on February 29, 2012, 09:36:03 PM
Let's put it this way. You've been married to someone for almost 4 years and have to make a decision as to whether or not you want to be locked into another 4 years but aren't sure.  Are you going to put yourself through 4 more years of the same if you aren't completely and totally sure that you'll be happy?  If Obama is 49% or better on election night, he'll win.  At 48% he's talking about winning without the popular vote.  Any less than that and Ralph Nader would have to take votes from the GOP or there is a third party candidate like Ron Paul. The same rules apply to Obama as any other incumbent since they started taking polls. As for right now, it's February.

Yes, if people think the alternative sucks.(in this case Romney).

People may not be satisfy with Obama, but that doesn't mean they won't vote for him.



Based on what though? I'm sure there's democrats who disapprove of Obama but won't vote GOP in the election. The same could be said for Bush 8 years ago. The issue is independents who don't pay attention except every 4 years for a week or so. That's who actually decides elections. What you're saying maybe true for a few but again, people look for change if they aren't satisfied. You can think that Romney sucks but that doesn't mean people will stick by Obama under poor circumstances. History and patterns doesn't always pan out and has exceptions but most times follows suit. Romney will win if Obama's approval rating is below 49% and the same goes for just about anyone who runs.

Polling numbers, take Ohio for example. The President is underwater in Ohio, yet he still has a lead against Romney, Santorum etc. Why because the voters don't like the alternatives. Presidential elections are more about choices then referendum on the incumbent.

And about independents, Mitt is losing them rapidly to Obama if you look at the polls. At this point, Mitt has to hope for another economic downturn. If the election were held today, Obama would win by a comfortable margin even at a 45/46% approval rating. The electoral map and recent polling data are too much in his favor.

Yes and those who don't approve will go for the GOP nominee unless Obama is above 49%. 2/3 of voters break for the incumbent if his approval rating is above 50% and if it is below 50%, then 2/3 break for the challenger. It's a similar idea to having to choose if you want to live 4 more years with someone you're not happy with. This trend is shown in actual votes rather than polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yank2133 on February 29, 2012, 09:44:26 PM
Let's put it this way. You've been married to someone for almost 4 years and have to make a decision as to whether or not you want to be locked into another 4 years but aren't sure.  Are you going to put yourself through 4 more years of the same if you aren't completely and totally sure that you'll be happy?  If Obama is 49% or better on election night, he'll win.  At 48% he's talking about winning without the popular vote.  Any less than that and Ralph Nader would have to take votes from the GOP or there is a third party candidate like Ron Paul. The same rules apply to Obama as any other incumbent since they started taking polls. As for right now, it's February.

Yes, if people think the alternative sucks.(in this case Romney).

People may not be satisfy with Obama, but that doesn't mean they won't vote for him.



Based on what though? I'm sure there's democrats who disapprove of Obama but won't vote GOP in the election. The same could be said for Bush 8 years ago. The issue is independents who don't pay attention except every 4 years for a week or so. That's who actually decides elections. What you're saying maybe true for a few but again, people look for change if they aren't satisfied. You can think that Romney sucks but that doesn't mean people will stick by Obama under poor circumstances. History and patterns doesn't always pan out and has exceptions but most times follows suit. Romney will win if Obama's approval rating is below 49% and the same goes for just about anyone who runs.

Polling numbers, take Ohio for example. The President is underwater in Ohio, yet he still has a lead against Romney, Santorum etc. Why because the voters don't like the alternatives. Presidential elections are more about choices then referendum on the incumbent.

And about independents, Mitt is losing them rapidly to Obama if you look at the polls. At this point, Mitt has to hope for another economic downturn. If the election were held today, Obama would win by a comfortable margin even at a 45/46% approval rating. The electoral map and recent polling data are too much in his favor.

Yes and those who don't approve will go for the GOP nominee unless Obama is above 49%. 2/3 of voters break for the incumbent if his approval rating is above 50% and if it is below 50%, then 2/3 break for the challenger. It's a similar idea to having to choose if you want to live 4 more years with someone you're not happy with. This trend is shown in actual votes rather than polls.

According to your logic, Oregon would flip for Romney because Obama is below 49% there......which we know isn't going to happen.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on February 29, 2012, 09:51:37 PM


I think Bush was around 47-50% around election time in 2004 and won by about 3 points. So on average Obama needs to be around 46-49% to win I would think. I think if there was a snap election now, with a month to campaign, Obama would barely win against Romney, by a few more points against Santorum and would destroy Gingrich and Paul. If he can more or less keep the numbers he has right now through election day, he should be able to win.

Bush's low point on long period Gallup (roughly weekly) was 46% in 2004.  Obama's lowest has been 45%, which he has been at for the last fortnight; he was that low in January as well.  He ended with 50.73% of the popular vote, or about a 2.5 point margin.

We don't know if Obama has reached his low point yet.  Bush's low point was in May.  Obama loses the comparison to Bush, at this point.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on February 29, 2012, 11:11:24 PM
Let's put it this way. You've been married to someone for almost 4 years and have to make a decision as to whether or not you want to be locked into another 4 years but aren't sure.  Are you going to put yourself through 4 more years of the same if you aren't completely and totally sure that you'll be happy?  If Obama is 49% or better on election night, he'll win.  At 48% he's talking about winning without the popular vote.  Any less than that and Ralph Nader would have to take votes from the GOP or there is a third party candidate like Ron Paul. The same rules apply to Obama as any other incumbent since they started taking polls. As for right now, it's February.

Yes, if people think the alternative sucks.(in this case Romney).

People may not be satisfy with Obama, but that doesn't mean they won't vote for him.



Based on what though? I'm sure there's democrats who disapprove of Obama but won't vote GOP in the election. The same could be said for Bush 8 years ago. The issue is independents who don't pay attention except every 4 years for a week or so. That's who actually decides elections. What you're saying maybe true for a few but again, people look for change if they aren't satisfied. You can think that Romney sucks but that doesn't mean people will stick by Obama under poor circumstances. History and patterns doesn't always pan out and has exceptions but most times follows suit. Romney will win if Obama's approval rating is below 49% and the same goes for just about anyone who runs.

Polling numbers, take Ohio for example. The President is underwater in Ohio, yet he still has a lead against Romney, Santorum etc. Why because the voters don't like the alternatives. Presidential elections are more about choices then referendum on the incumbent.

And about independents, Mitt is losing them rapidly to Obama if you look at the polls. At this point, Mitt has to hope for another economic downturn. If the election were held today, Obama would win by a comfortable margin even at a 45/46% approval rating. The electoral map and recent polling data are too much in his favor.

Yes and those who don't approve will go for the GOP nominee unless Obama is above 49%. 2/3 of voters break for the incumbent if his approval rating is above 50% and if it is below 50%, then 2/3 break for the challenger. It's a similar idea to having to choose if you want to live 4 more years with someone you're not happy with. This trend is shown in actual votes rather than polls.

According to your logic, Oregon would flip for Romney because Obama is below 49% there......which we know isn't going to happen.


Again based on what? Look OR has been pretty close with the exception of 2008. It's February and I'm not ruling anyone out of many states until late October. In 2000 Bush could've won that state and was close again in 2004. Romeny is moderate enough to be competitive. Things may improve for Obama in particular in Oregon and so he'd win but OR is nowhere near a done deal at this point. Also, my logic is based on the trends of polling in presidential elections.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yank2133 on March 01, 2012, 12:42:58 AM
Let's put it this way. You've been married to someone for almost 4 years and have to make a decision as to whether or not you want to be locked into another 4 years but aren't sure. Are you going to put yourself through 4 more years of the same if you aren't completely and totally sure that you'll be happy? If Obama is 49% or better on election night, he'll win.  At 48% he's talking about winning without the popular vote.  Any less than that and Ralph Nader would have to take votes from the GOP or there is a third party candidate like Ron Paul. The same rules apply to Obama as any other incumbent since they started taking polls. As for right now, it's February.

Yes, if people think the alternative sucks.(in this case Romney).

People may not be satisfy with Obama, but that doesn't mean they won't vote for him.



Based on what though? I'm sure there's democrats who disapprove of Obama but won't vote GOP in the election. The same could be said for Bush 8 years ago. The issue is independents who don't pay attention except every 4 years for a week or so. That's who actually decides elections. What you're saying maybe true for a few but again, people look for change if they aren't satisfied. You can think that Romney sucks but that doesn't mean people will stick by Obama under poor circumstances. History and patterns doesn't always pan out and has exceptions but most times follows suit. Romney will win if Obama's approval rating is below 49% and the same goes for just about anyone who runs.

Polling numbers, take Ohio for example. The President is underwater in Ohio, yet he still has a lead against Romney, Santorum etc. Why because the voters don't like the alternatives. Presidential elections are more about choices then referendum on the incumbent.

And about independents, Mitt is losing them rapidly to Obama if you look at the polls. At this point, Mitt has to hope for another economic downturn. If the election were held today, Obama would win by a comfortable margin even at a 45/46% approval rating. The electoral map and recent polling data are too much in his favor.

Yes and those who don't approve will go for the GOP nominee unless Obama is above 49%. 2/3 of voters break for the incumbent if his approval rating is above 50% and if it is below 50%, then 2/3 break for the challenger. It's a similar idea to having to choose if you want to live 4 more years with someone you're not happy with. This trend is shown in actual votes rather than polls.

According to your logic, Oregon would flip for Romney because Obama is below 49% there......which we know isn't going to happen.


Again based on what? Look OR has been pretty close with the exception of 2008. It's February and I'm not ruling anyone out of many states until late October. In 2000 Bush could've won that state and was close again in 2004. Romeny is moderate enough to be competitive. Things may improve for Obama in particular in Oregon and so he'd win but OR is nowhere near a done deal at this point. Also, my logic is based on the trends of polling in presidential elections.

A GOP nominee hasn't carried Oregon since Reagan did it 84. PPP has Obama +12 in Oregon, it is laughable if you think it would a competitive state.  

Obama could be at 45% in November and he would still beat Romney by double digits in Oregon.

Your logic is based on historical trends, but not actually reality at the moment. Romney is a historically weak candidate whom's negatives are skyrocketing.  People may be displeased with Obama, but they aren't displeased enough to give the presidency over to Mitt Romney and current polling reflects that.

There is a reason why Obama polling against Romney has improved the past couple of weeks, the more they hear Mitt the less they like.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on March 01, 2012, 12:56:34 AM
Right everything is going perfect for Obama and you shouldn't have anything to worry about. It sounds like your party is in great shape and the GOP is done forever. You're right on with that. Look at 2000 which was closer ago than 1984. I'm not betting on Romney winning Oregon but it should be competitive.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yank2133 on March 01, 2012, 01:08:38 AM
Right everything is going perfect for Obama and you shouldn't have anything to worry about. It sounds like your party is in great shape and the GOP is done forever. You're right on with that. Look at 2000 which was closer ago than 1984. I'm not betting on Romney winning Oregon but it should be competitive.

Things can change, but at the moment Obama would beat Romney by a comfortable margin....and yes compared to the GOP, we are in pretty decent shape.

I repeat, Oregon will not be competitive. The state hasn't been one by a GOP candidate in 28 years and has been trending more Democratic since 2004. Romney can go ahead and waste money there, but the state will be in Barack Obama's column in November.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 01, 2012, 02:26:38 AM
Right everything is going perfect for Obama and you shouldn't have anything to worry about. It sounds like your party is in great shape and the GOP is done forever. You're right on with that. Look at 2000 which was closer ago than 1984. I'm not betting on Romney winning Oregon but it should be competitive.

Things can change, but at the moment Obama would beat Romney by a comfortable margin....and yes compared to the GOP, we are in pretty decent shape.

I repeat, Oregon will not be competitive. The state hasn't been one by a GOP candidate in 28 years and has been trending more Democratic since 2004. Romney can go ahead and waste money there, but the state will be in Barack Obama's column in November.

Right now, with his poll numbers, I would not rule out Obama losing Oregon.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: LastVoter on March 01, 2012, 02:52:18 AM
a lot of delusional people in this thread. Hell would have to freeze over for Obama to lose polarized Oregon.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 01, 2012, 04:40:22 AM
Obama at 42-53 approval in Kansas, says SurveyUSA:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=0817cb1b-e6e3-4c23-b86a-9104d4230d45


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 01, 2012, 08:50:49 AM
Right everything is going perfect for Obama and you shouldn't have anything to worry about. It sounds like your party is in great shape and the GOP is done forever. You're right on with that. Look at 2000 which was closer ago than 1984. I'm not betting on Romney winning Oregon but it should be competitive.

For President Obama to lose there would have to be economic, military, or diplomatic disasters that ideologues and partisan hacks can see happening as vividly as drunks can see "pink effeluntsh, osshifer" after some cop pulls them over for driving erratically. In essence he has pleased the people who voted for him, such ordinarily enough to win re-election after a previous election that was not a hair-thin victory. He is a proved master as a campaigner; barring a disaster, all that he must do to win is to get the formidable campaign machine of 2008 out of mothballs and make clear that he has an agenda for a Second Term.

Unless high petroleum prices suddenly discredit this President he seems likely to win re-election with essentially the same sort of election as in 2008. My seat-of-the-pants estimate is 370 electoral votes with a standard deviation of 30.

   


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on March 01, 2012, 08:55:26 AM
Obama at 42-53 approval in Kansas, says SurveyUSA:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=0817cb1b-e6e3-4c23-b86a-9104d4230d45

That is very close to the voting result in Kansas in 2008. Incumbents usually gain an average of 6% in voting share from early approval ratings; should such hold in Kansas, then the President would barely lose the State. In essence President Obama wins Kansas only in the wake of a collapse of the Republican nominee.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 01, 2012, 10:12:05 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 51%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: argentarius on March 01, 2012, 12:55:54 PM
Obama at 42-53 approval in Kansas, says SurveyUSA:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=0817cb1b-e6e3-4c23-b86a-9104d4230d45
Game changer.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 01, 2012, 01:19:25 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  46%, +1

Disapprove:  49%, -1



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BYUmormon on March 01, 2012, 02:00:31 PM
Why would anyone approve someone who trashed our economy by making bigger government and destroying business? The only good thing about Obama is that he killed Osama Bin laden.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Wiz in Wis on March 01, 2012, 02:17:52 PM
Why would anyone approve someone who trashed our economy by making bigger government and destroying business? The only good thing about Obama is that he killed Osama Bin laden.

Two things,

First, welcome to the forum!

Second, please refrain from commentary that don't have to do with the approval ratings. Granted, you phrased that in such a way as to be relevant, but we have plenty of boards for more broad discussion of President Obama and his GOP rivals.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on March 01, 2012, 02:58:04 PM
Why would anyone approve someone who trashed our economy by making bigger government and destroying business?

Vapid right-wing talking points, eh? Welcome to the forum, Mitt!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on March 01, 2012, 02:59:59 PM
Why would anyone approve someone who trashed our economy by making bigger government and destroying business? The only good thing about Obama is that he killed Osama Bin laden.

1. Welcome! I think you're the only Mormon we have on the forum, unless you count Tweed, who's thinking of converting.
2. Yes, there are other places to discuss this. There's a whole economics board, as well as US General and the rest of the 2012 board for general discussion of Obama's record and how it relates to his reelection prospects. This thread is pretty much just for statistical repository and analysis.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on March 01, 2012, 10:19:23 PM
Did anyone see the entusiasm numbers. Democrats who are enthusiastic are at 44% and Republicans at 53%. This tells me that the Democrats are way over confident in winning this fall. Gas prices seem to have him down to 48% approval rating as well.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on March 01, 2012, 10:31:39 PM
Did anyone see the entusiasm numbers. Democrats who are enthusiastic are at 44% and Republicans at 53%. This tells me that the Democrats are way over confident in winning this fall. Gas prices seem to have him down to 48% approval rating as well.

From a purely objective position, the Dems aren't as enthusiastic because unlike the GOP they aren't being fired up by a primary race.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on March 01, 2012, 10:40:06 PM
Did anyone see the entusiasm numbers. Democrats who are enthusiastic are at 44% and Republicans at 53%. This tells me that the Democrats are way over confident in winning this fall. Gas prices seem to have him down to 48% approval rating as well.

From a purely objective position, the Dems aren't as enthusiastic because unlike the GOP they aren't being fired up by a primary race.

I'll give you that I may have slightly overstated what the numbers say, but the GOP still wants Obama out of office more than Democrats want him to stay. Hardly anyone can see anything positive in the guy. Clinton at least cared about people, Bush had a goofy personality that we could all relate to, no one was colder than FDR but the country saw how much he loved the game of politics. Obama seems like he doesn't enjoy anything about being president other than the perks of a $180,000 vacation for his wife and flying around on fancy jets. If anything he seems annoyed by the fact he has to compromise and make decisions. He can't stand at all the fact that anyone disagrees with him. These are a few reasons that people in his own party aren't thrilled about him. His opponents all have passion for what they believe in. Romney wants to help those who are struggling by using his experience in the private sector, Santorum stands by his family and values, Gingrich loves leading a conservative movement, and Paul is very proud of his ideaology.  With Obama we pretty much see a sarcastic smart ass who argues with anyone over anything like the health care bill for example. He sounded like a teenager arguing with his parents while they told him no. Stubborn til the end.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 01, 2012, 10:49:35 PM
Did anyone see the entusiasm numbers. Democrats who are enthusiastic are at 44% and Republicans at 53%. This tells me that the Democrats are way over confident in winning this fall. Gas prices seem to have him down to 48% approval rating as well.

From a purely objective position, the Dems aren't as enthusiastic because unlike the GOP they aren't being fired up by a primary race.

That helps, but Obama is campaigning.  Was turnout up in MI from 2008?

I'm looking at the weekly Gallup and the numbers are not good.  Obama can recover, at this point, but this is starting to look pretty grim.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on March 01, 2012, 10:58:32 PM
He was recovering until gas prices went up a week or 2 ago. Turnout in the GOP primaries isn't much different from 2008. Anything can happen either way at this point because it's too early to predict anything with the exception of maybe 20 states. As of right now I think it will be 51-49 one way or the other and come down to Ohio.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 01, 2012, 11:03:59 PM
He was recovering until gas prices went up a week or 2 ago. Turnout in the GOP primaries isn't much different from 2008. Anything can happen either way at this point because it's too early to predict anything with the exception of maybe 20 states. As of right now I think it will be 51-49 one way or the other and come down to Ohio.

Actually, they were not really better in January.  Obama arguably improved slightly in the first fortnight of February then dropped back.  The increase on Gallup's weeklies wasn't that dramatic either.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 02, 2012, 09:37:14 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 02, 2012, 09:54:08 AM
Rasmussen made their tracking sample more Republican once again:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/archive/mood_of_america_archive/partisan_trends/summary_of_party_affiliation

February was 36.0% GOP, 32.4% DEM and 31.6% OTH among Adults.

Rasmussen is using a 3-month average for their tracking polls.

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"Currently, the baseline targets for the adult population are 35.8% Republicans, 32.5% Democrats, and 31.7% unaffiliated. Likely voter samples typically show a slightly larger advantage for the Republicans."

Which means that Rasmussen is probably using a 37% GOP, 32% DEM, 31% OTH sample right now for their likely voter tracking polls ... :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on March 02, 2012, 01:48:33 PM
GOP didn't even have +5 when Bush was re-elected.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on March 02, 2012, 02:18:51 PM
GOP didn't even have +5 when Bush was re-elected.

In 2004, Democrats and Republicans each comprised 37% of the electorate. Independents, at 28%, narrowly broke for Kerry (49-48). It could be said that Bush 43 owed his re-election to 'Bush Democrats'


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on March 02, 2012, 04:55:30 PM
Republicans leading is a tremendous sign for them. Even if we were down by 5 I'd still bet on us winning the house. If I remember correctly more people voted Democrat for congress in 2002 and 2004 and the GOP still won. I don't mean in terms of party turnout, but based on the percentages of people voting for a candidate in either party throughout the nation.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 02, 2012, 04:58:25 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  47%, +1

Disapprove:  48%, -1




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 03, 2012, 09:49:09 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, -2.

Disapprove 53%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, u.

Yesterday, I had Strongly Disapprove even at 40.  It had gone up to 41.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on March 03, 2012, 11:08:45 AM
This thread is great because you've got J.J. holding court on how Obama is looking "grim" according to the approval numbers despite the fact that almost every poll shows him comfortably winning re-election.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 03, 2012, 11:17:47 AM
This thread is great because you've got J.J. holding court on how Obama is looking "grim" according to the approval numbers despite the fact that almost every poll shows him comfortably winning re-election.

No, this thread is about approval numbers of an incumbent running for re-election.  It looks at historical numbers regarding how Obama is doing based on past presidents, some who were re-elect and some who were not.

And, yes, it is starting to look grim.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajb on March 03, 2012, 11:22:11 AM
This thread is great because you've got J.J. holding court on how Obama is looking "grim" according to the approval numbers despite the fact that almost every poll shows him comfortably winning re-election.

No, this thread is about approval numbers of an incumbent running for re-election.  It looks at historical numbers regarding how Obama is doing based on past presidents, some who were re-elect and some who were not.

And, yes, it is starting to look grim.

Mind you, you know what looks really grim?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/28/fav-romney_n_725770.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Earthling on March 03, 2012, 11:41:56 AM
It looks grim when you only look at the Rasmussen and Gallup numbers. Other pollsters have Obama around 50%.

Gallup and Rasmussen are not the only numbers out there. The fact that they poll everyday gives them just more media attention (and Atlas attention)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 03, 2012, 11:49:51 AM
This thread is great because you've got J.J. holding court on how Obama is looking "grim" according to the approval numbers despite the fact that almost every poll shows him comfortably winning re-election.

No, this thread is about approval numbers of an incumbent running for re-election.  It looks at historical numbers regarding how Obama is doing based on past presidents, some who were re-elect and some who were not.

And, yes, it is starting to look grim.

Mind you, you know what looks really grim?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/28/fav-romney_n_725770.html

Romney isn't the President, yet.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Earthling on March 03, 2012, 11:50:51 AM
And he won't be next year.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajb on March 03, 2012, 11:52:15 AM
This thread is great because you've got J.J. holding court on how Obama is looking "grim" according to the approval numbers despite the fact that almost every poll shows him comfortably winning re-election.

No, this thread is about approval numbers of an incumbent running for re-election.  It looks at historical numbers regarding how Obama is doing based on past presidents, some who were re-elect and some who were not.

And, yes, it is starting to look grim.

Mind you, you know what looks really grim?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/28/fav-romney_n_725770.html

Romney isn't the President, yet.
Tell me, when was the last challenger who won with favorability numbers like Romney's?  Given your extensive thoughts on the relationship between presidential approval ratings and re-election prospects, I'm sure it's a question you've considered.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 03, 2012, 12:10:41 PM
This thread is great because you've got J.J. holding court on how Obama is looking "grim" according to the approval numbers despite the fact that almost every poll shows him comfortably winning re-election.

No, this thread is about approval numbers of an incumbent running for re-election.  It looks at historical numbers regarding how Obama is doing based on past presidents, some who were re-elect and some who were not.

And, yes, it is starting to look grim.

Mind you, you know what looks really grim?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/28/fav-romney_n_725770.html

Romney isn't the President, yet.
Tell me, when was the last challenger who won with favorability numbers like Romney's?  Given your extensive thoughts on the relationship between presidential approval ratings and re-election prospects, I'm sure it's a question you've considered.

Possibly: Clinton, 1992.  Reagan, 1980.  I know that the spring of 1992, Clinton was actually running third.

If you ask the question, which this thread is about, what president won re-election with numbers at or below 45% on Gallup at any point after January 1 on the year they were elected, the only answer is Truman since WW II.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajb on March 03, 2012, 12:14:24 PM
This thread is great because you've got J.J. holding court on how Obama is looking "grim" according to the approval numbers despite the fact that almost every poll shows him comfortably winning re-election.

No, this thread is about approval numbers of an incumbent running for re-election.  It looks at historical numbers regarding how Obama is doing based on past presidents, some who were re-elect and some who were not.

And, yes, it is starting to look grim.

Mind you, you know what looks really grim?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/28/fav-romney_n_725770.html

Romney isn't the President, yet.
Tell me, when was the last challenger who won with favorability numbers like Romney's?  Given your extensive thoughts on the relationship between presidential approval ratings and re-election prospects, I'm sure it's a question you've considered.

Possibly: Clinton, 1992.  Reagan, 1980.  I know that the spring of 1992, Clinton was actually running third.

If you ask the question, which this thread is about, what president won re-election with numbers at or below 45% on Gallup at any point after January 1 on the year they were elected, the only answer is Truman since WW II.

Did Clinton in March of 1992, and Reagan in March of 1980, also have unfavorable numbers nearly at 50%? I doubt it.

The thread is about Obama's approval ratings, not about whether a president has ever won re-election with an approval rating below 45%  at any point after January 1 in the year in which they were re-elected. And the popularity of the challenger would seem highly relevant to that thesis, especially at the margins, which is where we are here.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Earthling on March 03, 2012, 12:16:02 PM
And the 45% is a number from one pollster. Other poll show him higher than that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 03, 2012, 12:29:32 PM


Did Clinton in March of 1992, and Reagan in March of 1980, also have unfavorable numbers nearly at 50%? I doubt it.

Almost certainly Clinton did (Flowers).  I'd expect Reagan did.  Bush was still challenging and won PA in April.

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The thread is about Obama's approval ratings, not about whether a president has ever won re-election with an approval rating below 45%  at any point after January 1 in the year in which they were re-elected. And the popularity of the challenger would seem highly relevant to that thesis, especially at the margins, which is where we are here.

This thread looks at Obama's popularity, and looks at it (in terms of Gallup), comparing it to past situations.  That has been here since it started.

There are threads which deal with the matchup, and you may want to post on those.  This is the discussion on just one set of numbers.

And the 45% is a number from one pollster. Other poll show him higher than that.

No, Gallup is the only for which we have 60 years of approval ratings.  It is useful, longer term, for comparisons (hence my citations of 1948).  Rasmussen didn't start until 1994.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Earthling on March 03, 2012, 12:40:48 PM
Well, yes, Gallup maybe around the longest, but just using their numbers as THE numbers to predict November?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 03, 2012, 01:03:10 PM
Well, yes, Gallup maybe around the longest, but just using their numbers as THE numbers to predict November?

Well, I'm not yet predicting.  The numbers looking grim, which they are, doesn't yet translate into losing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 03, 2012, 01:06:36 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  48%, +1

Disapprove:  46%, -2





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Earthling on March 03, 2012, 01:08:40 PM
Well, yes, Gallup maybe around the longest, but just using their numbers as THE numbers to predict November?

Well, I'm not yet predicting.  The numbers looking grim, which they are, doesn't yet translate into losing.

Yes, but they look grim if you only look at Gallup. They are much brighter when you look to other pollsters.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 03, 2012, 01:12:24 PM
Well, yes, Gallup maybe around the longest, but just using their numbers as THE numbers to predict November?

Well, I'm not yet predicting.  The numbers looking grim, which they are, doesn't yet translate into losing.

Yes, but they look grim if you only look at Gallup. They are much brighter when you look to other pollsters.

Not on the dailies.  The only other one we have is Rasmussen, and Obama is generally not doing well.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on March 03, 2012, 01:14:00 PM
No, Gallup is the only for which we have 60 years of approval ratings.  It is useful, longer term, for comparisons (hence my citations of 1948).  Rasmussen didn't start until 1994.

Why should their results from this year be any more useful than the results of another pollster?  It's not as if Gallup is polling the same people this year that they did 60 years ago, or are using the same people to poll as they did then.  Organizations change, and there is no basis for saying that the Gallup numbers for this year are more comparable to the Gallup numbers of 60 years ago than the Rasmussen numbers of this year.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Earthling on March 03, 2012, 01:18:08 PM
Well, yes, Gallup maybe around the longest, but just using their numbers as THE numbers to predict November?

Well, I'm not yet predicting.  The numbers looking grim, which they are, doesn't yet translate into losing.

Yes, but they look grim if you only look at Gallup. They are much brighter when you look to other pollsters.

Not on the dailies.  The only other one we have is Rasmussen, and Obama is generally not doing well.



The dailies aren't the only polls. The fact that you are polling every day doesn't make your poll automatically stronger than the other polls.

Rasmussen maybe has a Republican lean while Gallup's methods are outdated. I don't know if that is true, but it could make those polls less reliable.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 03, 2012, 01:19:32 PM
No, Gallup is the only for which we have 60 years of approval ratings.  It is useful, longer term, for comparisons (hence my citations of 1948).  Rasmussen didn't start until 1994.

Why should their results from this year be any more useful than the results of another pollster?  It's not as if Gallup is polling the same people this year that they did 60 years ago, or are using the same people to poll as they did then.  Organizations change, and there is no basis for saying that the Gallup numbers for this year are more comparable to the Gallup numbers of 60 years ago than the Rasmussen numbers of this year.

Gallup is useful for historic comparisons.  I will agree, it is possible Truman would be polling better 1948 if Gallup used today's technology.

It is poll to poll, it gives us a record, and Gallup had a good reputation.  It is useful for making comparisons.  Today, I think Rasmussen is more accurate, but they were not polling in 1980 or 1992, and I don't have access to their data.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 03, 2012, 01:22:24 PM


The dailies aren't the only polls. The fact that you are polling every day doesn't make your poll automatically stronger than the other polls.

Rasmussen maybe has a Republican lean while Gallup's methods are outdated. I don't know if that is true, but it could make those polls less reliable.

J. J.'s First Rule of Elections"If a candidate or his supporters that say something like 'I don't look at the polls,' or 'The only polls that matter are the ones on Election Day,' that candidate will lose."

You are darn close to violating that rule.  :)
 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Earthling on March 03, 2012, 01:24:52 PM
Nonsens, I am not saying that, you are. By ignoring the other polls that are much better for Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajb on March 03, 2012, 02:11:00 PM
Gallup didn't conduct daily or weekly polling in 1948 (or 1988). So it's not an apples-to-apples comparison. Your theory also suffers from a small sample size of eight or ten elections, depending on your definition of incumbent, and only two or three incumbents having been defeated.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Iosif on March 03, 2012, 02:27:28 PM
How many more times must JJ be proven wrong before people stop taking him seriously?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on March 03, 2012, 02:28:58 PM
How many more times must JJ be proven wrong before people stop taking him seriously?

Does anyone here still take him seriously?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on March 03, 2012, 03:46:01 PM
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BREAKING!

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I don't know why I'm bothering to point this out, but the number of Presidential elections featuring an incumbent since approval polling began is so tiny that you can't actually draw meaningful conclusions from the numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 03, 2012, 03:47:56 PM
Nonsens, I am not saying that, you are. By ignoring the other polls that are much better for Obama.

No. Gallup is the only one where we can make a poll to poll comparison.  Scott Rasmussen wasn't polling when he was 12.

You only need take the numbers seriously.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on March 03, 2012, 07:30:28 PM
46% baby!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 03, 2012, 07:37:49 PM
How many more times must JJ be proven wrong before people stop taking him seriously?

We can look at the first 3-4 pages of this thread and see how wrong everyone else was.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on March 03, 2012, 07:47:06 PM
I still don't understand why in 2012 people are looking anywhere else besides Rasmussen. They predicted 50/50 correctly in 2004 and only missed 4 states in 2008. Each election since their existence in 2003 they have been the most accurate. I know warm and fuzzy hope is nice for those who don't lead in polls, but let's grow up and be serious. Let's get real and seek what has been the standard bearer in recent elections. Most other polling places have lost their ways or become outdated.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on March 03, 2012, 07:55:14 PM
I still don't understand why in 2012 people are looking anywhere else besides Rasmussen. They predicted 50/50 correctly in 2004 and only missed 4 states in 2008. Each election since their existence in 2003 they have been the most accurate. I know warm and fuzzy hope is nice for those who don't lead in polls, but let's grow up and be serious. Let's get real and seek what has been the standard bearer in recent elections. Most other polling places have lost their ways or become outdated.

Rasmussen was the worst pollster of the 2010 midterms.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 03, 2012, 07:58:59 PM
I still don't understand why in 2012 people are looking anywhere else besides Rasmussen. They predicted 50/50 correctly in 2004 and only missed 4 states in 2008. Each election since their existence in 2003 they have been the most accurate. I know warm and fuzzy hope is nice for those who don't lead in polls, but let's grow up and be serious. Let's get real and seek what has been the standard bearer in recent elections. Most other polling places have lost their ways or become outdated.

Rasmussen was the worst pollster of the 2010 midterms.

But very good nationally.

Rasmussen, however, simply does not have the available data for historic comparisons.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on March 03, 2012, 08:00:25 PM
I still don't understand why in 2012 people are looking anywhere else besides Rasmussen. They predicted 50/50 correctly in 2004 and only missed 4 states in 2008. Each election since their existence in 2003 they have been the most accurate. I know warm and fuzzy hope is nice for those who don't lead in polls, but let's grow up and be serious. Let's get real and seek what has been the standard bearer in recent elections. Most other polling places have lost their ways or become outdated.

Rasmussen was the worst pollster of the 2010 midterms.

No the tea party senate candidates lost steam and momentum at the end and so the numbers from the entire year as a whole seemed off. The final results and final polling were closer. Midterm Elections are tougher to predict to begin with because of the unpredictable turnout. What do you mean by worst?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on March 03, 2012, 08:04:11 PM

...the least accurate? ???


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on March 03, 2012, 08:06:29 PM
I still don't understand why in 2012 people are looking anywhere else besides Rasmussen. They predicted 50/50 correctly in 2004 and only missed 4 states in 2008. Each election since their existence in 2003 they have been the most accurate. I know warm and fuzzy hope is nice for those who don't lead in polls, but let's grow up and be serious. Let's get real and seek what has been the standard bearer in recent elections. Most other polling places have lost their ways or become outdated.

Rasmussen was the worst pollster of the 2010 midterms.

No the tea party senate candidates lost steam and momentum at the end and so the numbers from the entire year as a whole seemed off. The final results and final polling were closer. Midterm Elections are tougher to predict to begin with because of the unpredictable turnout. What do you mean by worst?

When polling numbers were compared to the actual result, Rasmussen had the worst average error and a heavy bias toward GOP candidates in the midterms. It was not an issue of "losing steam." Rasmussen missed Hawaii by a margin of 40 points.

Nate Silver composed a good piece here. (http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/04/rasmussen-polls-were-biased-and-inaccurate-quinnipiac-surveyusa-performed-strongly/) We also had an Atlas member table all of the Rasmussen polls against the final results and again, there was a large deviation.

Time will tell to see if he's back on the ball on 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on March 03, 2012, 08:06:52 PM

They've been much more accurate in both presidential elections since their existence and seem to be the most modern source. Maybe they were off in 2010 because I remember expecting 50-53 senate seats.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 04, 2012, 09:48:13 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, +1.

Yesterday, I had Strongly Disapprove even at 40.  It had gone up to 41.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on March 04, 2012, 10:07:28 AM
Nonsens, I am not saying that, you are. By ignoring the other polls that are much better for Obama.

No. Gallup is the only one where we can make a poll to poll comparison.  Scott Rasmussen wasn't polling when he was 12.

You only need take the numbers seriously.

J.J. you still have not given any creditable reason why a 1948 Gallup poll should be more comparable to a 2012 Gallup poll than to a 2012 Rasmussen poll.

It's like saying a 1948 Ford F-1 pickup truck has more in common with a 2012 Ford F-150 than a 2012 Toyota Tundra, when the only thing an F-1 and an F-150  can be shown to have in common is the name plate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 04, 2012, 10:17:53 AM
Nonsens, I am not saying that, you are. By ignoring the other polls that are much better for Obama.

No. Gallup is the only one where we can make a poll to poll comparison.  Scott Rasmussen wasn't polling when he was 12.

You only need take the numbers seriously.

J.J. you still have not given any creditable reason why a 1948 Gallup poll should be more comparable to a 2012 Gallup poll than to a 2012 Rasmussen poll.

It's like saying a 1948 Ford F-1 pickup truck has more in common with a 2012 Ford F-150 than a 2012 Toyota Tundra, when the only thing an F-1 and an F-150  can be shown to have in common is the name plate.

As pointed out, it is still the only one we have.  Gallup is, IIRC, not using robots. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 04, 2012, 03:41:10 PM
It doesn't look like Gallup posted today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 05, 2012, 02:32:16 AM
Wall Street Journal/NBC News Poll:

50% Approve
45% Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 05, 2012, 03:07:15 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -1.

Disapprove 54%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  43%, +1.

It just could be a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 05, 2012, 03:09:34 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  45%, -3

Disapprove:  48%, +2

It could be a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on March 05, 2012, 03:26:32 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -1.

Disapprove 54%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  43%, +1.

It just could be a bad sample.

45% won't win an election. Someone has their work cut out or they'll lose to Romeny, Santorum, the Easter Bunny, or a potato.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on March 05, 2012, 03:36:15 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -1.

Disapprove 54%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  43%, +1.

It just could be a bad sample.

45% won't win an election. Someone has their work cut out or they'll lose to Romeny, Santorum, the Easter Bunny, or a potato.


Yet, with 45% approval, the president, in this very same tracking, currently leads all four Republican contenders by margins ranging from 2% (Romney & Paul) and 8% (Gingrich). I'm not too worried given that even in recent weeks, he has occasionally trailed them (bar Gingrich, IIRC)

Of course, it would seem that the stronger the president's approvals the greater the margin by which he leads


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on March 05, 2012, 03:36:45 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -1.

Disapprove 54%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  43%, +1.

It just could be a bad sample.

45% won't win an election. Someone has their work cut out or they'll lose to Romeny, Santorum, the Easter Bunny, or a potato.


Yet, with 45% approval, the president, in this very same tracking, currently leads all four Republican contenders by margins between 2 and 8. I'm not too worried given that even in recent weeks, he has occasionally trailed, certainly against Romney, possibly against Santorum

It is Mar.5 and the election is months away. Reagan trailed in both elections and so did Bush. I don't know of a single president in modern times that would lose an election in March of the election year because the public is still unfamiliar with their opponents. I know I'm a Republican and excited about the 45% which makes you mad but please try take into account how undecided voters have actually voted in elections rather than how they're polled on Mar.5, 2012 with the election 8 months away.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on March 05, 2012, 03:48:37 PM
but please try take into account how undecided voters have actually voted in elections

Yeah, they always vote for the non-incumbent. Just ask President Kerry. (http://pollingreport.com/wh04gen2.htm)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on March 05, 2012, 03:51:37 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -1.

Disapprove 54%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  43%, +1.

It just could be a bad sample.

45% won't win an election. Someone has their work cut out or they'll lose to Romeny, Santorum, the Easter Bunny, or a potato.


Yet, with 45% approval, the president, in this very same tracking, currently leads all four Republican contenders by margins between 2 and 8. I'm not too worried given that even in recent weeks, he has occasionally trailed, certainly against Romney, possibly against Santorum

It is Mar.5 and the election is months away. Reagan trailed in both elections and so did Bush. I don't know of a single president in modern times that would lose an election in March of the election year because the public is still unfamiliar with their opponents. I know I'm a Republican and excited about the 45% which makes you mad but please try take into account how undecided voters have actually voted in elections rather than how they're polled on Mar.5, 2012 with the election 8 months away.

Much can and will happen between now and Nov. 6, for better, I pray, or worse


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on March 05, 2012, 03:52:43 PM
but please try take into account how undecided voters have actually voted in elections

Yeah, they always vote for the non-incumbent. Just ask President Kerry. (http://pollingreport.com/wh04gen2.htm)


That they did! Bush won the undecided voters who approved of his job as president and Kerry won the ones who did not approve. Fortunately for Bush his approval rating was 54% on election night and didn't even need that to get elected. Clinton was at 54% as well I believe and got just over 48 or 49%. The undecideds went for Perot and Dole. With a 45% approval rating though, Obama is much less likely to win than Bush in 2004 who was in the low 50's.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajb on March 05, 2012, 04:00:18 PM
Some sample approval ratings for George W. Bush in 2004:

3/1-7/04    TIPP/IBD/CSM    44    46
3/9-11/04    Amer. Res. Group    45    48    
3/29-4/3/04    TIPP/IBD/CSM    43    48
4/1-4/04    Pew    43    47    
4/8-9/04    Newsweek    41    55
4/19-5/12/04    Pew    44    44
5/3-4/04    Pew    44    48
5/3-6/04    Amer. Res. Group    45    49
5/11/04    CBS    44    49
5/13-14/04    Newsweek    42    52
5/18-24/04    Quinnipiac University    45    50
5/20-23/04    CBS    41    52

And so on. Bush had a 44-48 approval rating as late as Oct. 15 in the Pew and CBS/NYT polls.

http://webapps.ropercenter.uconn.edu/CFIDE/roper/presidential/webroot/presidential_rating_detail.cfm?allRate=True&presidentName=Bush#.T1UnRvVXOuI


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on March 05, 2012, 04:08:36 PM
Some sample approval ratings for George W. Bush in 2004:

3/1-7/04    TIPP/IBD/CSM    44    46
3/9-11/04    Amer. Res. Group    45    48    
3/29-4/3/04    TIPP/IBD/CSM    43    48
4/1-4/04    Pew    43    47    
4/8-9/04    Newsweek    41    55
4/19-5/12/04    Pew    44    44
5/3-4/04    Pew    44    48
5/3-6/04    Amer. Res. Group    45    49
5/11/04    CBS    44    49
5/13-14/04    Newsweek    42    52
5/18-24/04    Quinnipiac University    45    50
5/20-23/04    CBS    41    52

And so on. Bush had a 44-48 approval rating as late as Oct. 15 in the Pew and CBS/NYT polls.

http://webapps.ropercenter.uconn.edu/CFIDE/roper/presidential/webroot/presidential_rating_detail.cfm?allRate=True&presidentName=Bush#.T1UnRvVXOuI

Yeah, Tidewater_Wave's theory only works if you choose to view March as a benchmark. In May of 2004, Bush's approval ratings were almost exactly the same as Obama's current approval ratings.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 05, 2012, 04:10:43 PM
Some sample approval ratings for George W. Bush in 2004:

3/1-7/04    TIPP/IBD/CSM    44    46
3/9-11/04    Amer. Res. Group    45    48    
3/29-4/3/04    TIPP/IBD/CSM    43    48
4/1-4/04    Pew    43    47    
4/8-9/04    Newsweek    41    55
4/19-5/12/04    Pew    44    44
5/3-4/04    Pew    44    48
5/3-6/04    Amer. Res. Group    45    49
5/11/04    CBS    44    49
5/13-14/04    Newsweek    42    52
5/18-24/04    Quinnipiac University    45    50
5/20-23/04    CBS    41    52

And so on. Bush had a 44-48 approval rating as late as Oct. 15 in the Pew and CBS/NYT polls.

http://webapps.ropercenter.uconn.edu/CFIDE/roper/presidential/webroot/presidential_rating_detail.cfm?allRate=True&presidentName=Bush#.T1UnRvVXOuI

Yeah, Tidewater_Wave's theory only works if you choose to view March as a benchmark. In May of 2004, Bush's approval ratings were almost exactly the same as Obama's current approval ratings.

Ah, that's part of the problem.  Obama may not have cratered yet.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajb on March 05, 2012, 04:16:15 PM
but please try take into account how undecided voters have actually voted in elections

Yeah, they always vote for the non-incumbent. Just ask President Kerry. (http://pollingreport.com/wh04gen2.htm)


That they did! Bush won the undecided voters who approved of his job as president and Kerry won the ones who did not approve. Fortunately for Bush his approval rating was 54% on election night and didn't even need that to get elected. Clinton was at 54% as well I believe and got just over 48 or 49%. The undecideds went for Perot and Dole. With a 45% approval rating though, Obama is much less likely to win than Bush in 2004 who was in the low 50's.

If you look at the 21 polls the Roper Center has for March 2004 which list approval ratings for George W. Bush, the simple arithmetic mean is 48.6 approval-45.4 disapproval. Obama's approval rating in the last 21 polls in the pollster.com database? 48.6-46.8.
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/obama-job-approval#!




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on March 05, 2012, 04:22:59 PM
Some sample approval ratings for George W. Bush in 2004:

3/1-7/04    TIPP/IBD/CSM    44    46
3/9-11/04    Amer. Res. Group    45    48    
3/29-4/3/04    TIPP/IBD/CSM    43    48
4/1-4/04    Pew    43    47    
4/8-9/04    Newsweek    41    55
4/19-5/12/04    Pew    44    44
5/3-4/04    Pew    44    48
5/3-6/04    Amer. Res. Group    45    49
5/11/04    CBS    44    49
5/13-14/04    Newsweek    42    52
5/18-24/04    Quinnipiac University    45    50
5/20-23/04    CBS    41    52

And so on. Bush had a 44-48 approval rating as late as Oct. 15 in the Pew and CBS/NYT polls.

http://webapps.ropercenter.uconn.edu/CFIDE/roper/presidential/webroot/presidential_rating_detail.cfm?allRate=True&presidentName=Bush#.T1UnRvVXOuI

Yeah, Tidewater_Wave's theory only works if you choose to view March as a benchmark. In May of 2004, Bush's approval ratings were almost exactly the same as Obama's current approval ratings.

You didn't use Rasmussen. Rasmussen predicted every state right that year. Also, have you ever looked at his approval rating of 54% from the exit polls? Not early exit polls, but actual exit polls. That would be more accurate considering that it deals with actual votes as opposed to polls. Approval ratings don't matter until the night of the election and his was 53-54% based on exit polls. Obama has some jumping up to do.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajb on March 05, 2012, 04:24:43 PM
Approval ratings don't matter until the night of the election and his was 53-54% based on exit polls. Obama has some jumping up to do.
Thank you.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on March 05, 2012, 09:42:00 PM
Approval ratings don't matter until the night of the election and his was 53-54% based on exit polls. Obama has some jumping up to do.
Thank you.

It's true, alot can happen. Right now I'll predict 51-49 one way or the other and it comes down to Ohio lol only because we're so far out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 06, 2012, 09:34:27 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, +3.

Disapprove 51%, -3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, -2.

A bad sample dropped out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 06, 2012, 01:11:04 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  43%, -2.

Disapprove:  48%, u.

It could be a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: marvelrobbins on March 06, 2012, 01:57:01 PM
And some wonder why some don't take Gallup seriously anymore.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 06, 2012, 02:18:29 PM
And some wonder why some don't take Gallup seriously anymore.

If you follow Gallup daily, you would know that this is normal.  Gallup have a lot of variation. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: marvelrobbins on March 06, 2012, 02:27:00 PM
When rasmussen Is more favorabilty for Obama than Gallup you know why some are calling
Gallup a joke today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 06, 2012, 02:48:16 PM
When rasmussen Is more favorabilty for Obama than Gallup you know why some are calling
Gallup a joke today.

Actually, I prefer Rasmussen, but you will find a number of people calling it biased toward Republicans.

Gallup weekly is useful for historic comparisons.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on March 06, 2012, 10:22:12 PM
I stick to Rasmussen and always have since it started when regarding the debate over polling at the national level. Individual states is different for me because it's not as often that the states are polled by each polling place. By following half of the polls on individual states it allows for more debate and analyzation. Did anyone see that Romney and Obama are very even on major issues in Ramsussen today?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 07, 2012, 09:40:37 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, +1.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 07, 2012, 01:16:34 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  44%, +1.

Disapprove:  47%, -1.

The weekly number has held study at 45% for three weeks in a row.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on March 07, 2012, 04:31:00 PM
When rasmussen Is more favorabilty for Obama than Gallup you know why some are calling
Gallup a joke today.

Actually, I prefer Rasmussen, but you will find a number of people calling it biased toward Republicans.

Gallup weekly is useful for historic comparisons.

Favoring whoever is fine as long as its accurate and Rasmussen has proven to be that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 08, 2012, 09:59:19 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, u.

Disapprove 50%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajb on March 08, 2012, 01:20:38 PM
Today's Gallup:

Obama Approval
48% (+4)
Obama Disapproval
44% (-3)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 08, 2012, 02:20:46 PM
Today's Gallup:

Obama Approval
48% (+4)
Obama Disapproval
44% (-3)


http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

It's Gallup daily results; don't worry, it will change soon.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on March 08, 2012, 08:30:21 PM
Today's Gallup:

Obama Approval
48% (+4)
Obama Disapproval
44% (-3)


http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

It's Gallup daily results; don't worry, it will change soon.

I do find it kind of amusing, you rarely comment when he spikes upwards... but always the doom-sayer when he drops...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 08, 2012, 08:47:49 PM
Today's Gallup:

Obama Approval
48% (+4)
Obama Disapproval
44% (-3)


http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

It's Gallup daily results; don't worry, it will change soon.

I do find it kind of amusing, you rarely comment when he spikes upwards... but always the doom-sayer when he drops...

I actually make the same comment both ways on the daily.  Gallup's daily are noted for variation and strange samples:


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  43%, -2.

Disapprove:  48%, u.

It could be a bad sample.


or

And some wonder why some don't take Gallup seriously anymore.

If you follow Gallup daily, you would know that this is normal.  Gallup have a lot of variation. 

The weekly, which has had a range of 5 points since early December, is the one that I use for historic comparisons.  That is the one that that focus on when commenting on his standing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 09, 2012, 10:00:31 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, -3.

Disapprove 53%, +3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  44%, +3.


A bad pro Obama sample might have dropped out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajb on March 09, 2012, 02:41:48 PM
Today's Gallup:

Obama Approval
48% (+4)
Obama Disapproval
44% (-3)


No change today, still 48-44.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 09, 2012, 02:59:32 PM
Today's Gallup:

Obama Approval
48% (+4)
Obama Disapproval
44% (-3)


No change today, still 48-44.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 10, 2012, 04:24:43 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, -2.

Disapprove 54%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  44%, +3.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 10, 2012, 04:26:37 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  48%, u.

Disapprove:  44%, u.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 11, 2012, 11:43:38 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, u.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  44%, u.

Again, it could be a bad sample.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 11, 2012, 01:34:46 PM



Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  47%, -1.

Disapprove:  45%, -1.






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on March 11, 2012, 04:54:45 PM
Obama must have some of the most static approval ratings of any President. I mean, they haven't changed that much since about the end of 2009.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 11, 2012, 06:41:38 PM
Obama must have some of the most static approval ratings of any President. I mean, they haven't changed that much since about the end of 2009.

I was wondering about this.

Is it just an after effect of such a deeply polarised electorate?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 11, 2012, 07:13:14 PM
Obama must have some of the most static approval ratings of any President. I mean, they haven't changed that much since about the end of 2009.

On Gallup, he has recovered a bit, about 3 points from December.  It is a noticeable, but not a dramatic, improvement.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 12, 2012, 09:09:31 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, +3.

Disapprove 52%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, -2.

Probably a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on March 12, 2012, 11:45:34 AM
Which are you saying is a bad sample, this one or the one from a couple days ago that showed Obama at -10?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajb on March 12, 2012, 12:10:39 PM
Today's Gallup:

Obama Approval 49% (+2)
Obama Disapproval 43% (-2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 12, 2012, 03:36:25 PM
Today's Gallup:

Obama Approval 49% (+2)
Obama Disapproval 43% (-2)


http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on March 12, 2012, 07:42:30 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, +3.

Disapprove 52%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, -2.

Probably a bad sample.

Or the previous bad sample dropping out...?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 12, 2012, 08:11:56 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, +3.

Disapprove 52%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, -2.

Probably a bad sample.

Or the previous bad sample dropping out...?

Obviously, since I said yesterday:


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, u.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  44%, u.

Again, it could be a bad sample.



I have been saying that there might be a bad sample moving through the system.  It dropped out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on March 12, 2012, 08:19:00 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, +3.

Disapprove 52%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, -2.

Probably a bad sample.

Or the previous bad sample dropping out...?

Obviously, since I said yesterday:


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, u.

Disapprove 54%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  44%, u.

Again, it could be a bad sample.



I have been saying that there might be a bad sample moving through the system.  It dropped out.

That's what I thought, but I didn't want to assume. Thanks for specifying.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 08:44:27 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, +2.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 09:51:28 AM
Obama's weekly number is now at 48%, which has been the highest since June of 2011.  If it holds, he will be out of the danger zone.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Iosif on March 13, 2012, 12:46:05 PM
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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 02:12:43 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  47%, -2.

Disapprove:  46%, +3.

As I like to say, if you don't like Gallup's numbers, wait a few days.  ;)






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on March 13, 2012, 09:20:55 PM
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/04/28/poll-americans-disapproval-of-obamas-handling-of-economy-hits-fresh-high-57/

The longer he babbles about birth control the more women will turn against him on other issues such as the economy. As that goes on it will lead to actual votes in the fall. Obama just doesn't have it with the ladies anymore.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 14, 2012, 08:42:01 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, -2.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on March 14, 2012, 12:33:53 PM
47% in Rasmussen and looks like we won't have to worry about Bill Nelson after this year if things continue.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 14, 2012, 12:43:40 PM



Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  48%, +1.

Disapprove:  45%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Earthling on March 14, 2012, 12:57:37 PM
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/04/28/poll-americans-disapproval-of-obamas-handling-of-economy-hits-fresh-high-57/

The longer he babbles about birth control the more women will turn against him on other issues such as the economy. As that goes on it will lead to actual votes in the fall. Obama just doesn't have it with the ladies anymore.

That poll is from April 2011.

You are really a troll, right?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on March 14, 2012, 07:37:51 PM
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/04/28/poll-americans-disapproval-of-obamas-handling-of-economy-hits-fresh-high-57/

The longer he babbles about birth control the more women will turn against him on other issues such as the economy. As that goes on it will lead to actual votes in the fall. Obama just doesn't have it with the ladies anymore.

That poll is from April 2011.

You are really a troll, right?

Please describe for me in depth detail how you get that I'm a troll? Is it because I dared to say that Obama may struggle for votes that have traditionally been female? Is it because I don't stand by as a cheerleader for Obama? Is it because I don't walk in line with the liberal media?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajb on March 14, 2012, 09:05:22 PM
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/04/28/poll-americans-disapproval-of-obamas-handling-of-economy-hits-fresh-high-57/

The longer he babbles about birth control the more women will turn against him on other issues such as the economy. As that goes on it will lead to actual votes in the fall. Obama just doesn't have it with the ladies anymore.

That poll is from April 2011.

You are really a troll, right?

Please describe for me in depth detail how you get that I'm a troll? Is it because I dared to say that Obama may struggle for votes that have traditionally been female? Is it because I don't stand by as a cheerleader for Obama? Is it because I don't walk in line with the liberal media?

Is it because you link to a poll from eleven months ago, without explaining why it, and not the eleven subsequent months of polling data, is the most meaningful indicator of how an election will unfold eight months from now?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: old timey villain on March 14, 2012, 09:40:14 PM
I wouldn't try to pass a poll as current on here 11 days after it was released, let alone 11 months. Either you're a troll or you just don't get how polling works.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on March 14, 2012, 09:55:22 PM
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/04/28/poll-americans-disapproval-of-obamas-handling-of-economy-hits-fresh-high-57/

The longer he babbles about birth control the more women will turn against him on other issues such as the economy. As that goes on it will lead to actual votes in the fall. Obama just doesn't have it with the ladies anymore.

That poll is from April 2011.

You are really a troll, right?

Please describe for me in depth detail how you get that I'm a troll? Is it because I dared to say that Obama may struggle for votes that have traditionally been female? Is it because I don't stand by as a cheerleader for Obama? Is it because I don't walk in line with the liberal media?

Is it because you link to a poll from eleven months ago, without explaining why it, and not the eleven subsequent months of polling data, is the most meaningful indicator of how an election will unfold eight months from now?

Ah yes now you see how facts are meaningless by themselves?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on March 14, 2012, 09:59:10 PM
I wouldn't try to pass a poll as current on here 11 days after it was released, let alone 11 months. Either you're a troll or you just don't get how polling works.

You got me on this one. What are the numbers now? I don't take myself so seriously that I don't admit to being wrong like the candidate that was elected in 2008.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajb on March 14, 2012, 10:23:01 PM
I wouldn't try to pass a poll as current on here 11 days after it was released, let alone 11 months. Either you're a troll or you just don't get how polling works.

You got me on this one. What are the numbers now? I don't take myself so seriously that I don't admit to being wrong like the candidate that was elected in 2008.

Here you go:

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/obama-job-approval-economy


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on March 14, 2012, 10:24:35 PM
That's still bad especially for Huffington Post.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajb on March 14, 2012, 10:29:44 PM
That's still bad especially for Huffington Post.
Actually, all the Huffington Post is doing there is compiling a list of all the polls that are out there. I would have given you a list from RealClearPolitics instead, but they don't seem to have a page listing approval ratings on the economy for Obama.
And you're right, Obama's numbers on the economy aren't great (though the trend is positive). I could pick a few that look pretty good, you could pick some that are pretty awful, but hopefully we'd both agree that it's the average that's more useful.
It's just easier to have a discussion about the actual recent numbers, rather than about one poll from eleven months ago.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on March 15, 2012, 12:22:17 AM
You're right. I was off on that poll. Usually I don't check the dates because the more recent ones come up first when searching. Polls now don't mean anything for the election in November, but do indicate what candidates need to do from now until then.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 15, 2012, 08:44:43 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yank2133 on March 15, 2012, 09:41:43 AM
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/04/28/poll-americans-disapproval-of-obamas-handling-of-economy-hits-fresh-high-57/

The longer he babbles about birth control the more women will turn against him on other issues such as the economy. As that goes on it will lead to actual votes in the fall. Obama just doesn't have it with the ladies anymore.

That poll is from April 2011.

You are really a troll, right?

Please describe for me in depth detail how you get that I'm a troll? Is it because I dared to say that Obama may struggle for votes that have traditionally been female? Is it because I don't stand by as a cheerleader for Obama? Is it because I don't walk in line with the liberal media?

You posted a poll from a year ago that is why everyone thinks your a troll. Public perception is consistently changing, a poll from a month ago is outdated......but to cite a poll from April 2011......seriously?

GOP hacks are getting desperate then.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 15, 2012, 01:11:06 PM




Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  45%, -4.

Disapprove:  49%, +3.

Everyone in unison:

If you don't like Obama's numbers on Gallup, just wait a few days.  :)

[Obviously, a bad sample in there someplace.]




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: argentarius on March 15, 2012, 01:58:02 PM
I really don't see the point of this poll anymore. It's telling us nothing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 15, 2012, 03:14:50 PM
I really don't see the point of this poll anymore. It's telling us nothing.

Longer term, like the weekly, it does. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 15, 2012, 04:32:27 PM
Any poll that has a sudden 7-point shift in one day for no reason is trash, sorry.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on March 15, 2012, 05:08:25 PM
Any poll that has a sudden 7-point shift in one day for no reason is trash, sorry.

Even if it's the GOP Presidential candidate losing 7 points? You don't think there is a single thing such as the housing market collapse or 9/11 that can turn the country's mood by 7 points?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 15, 2012, 05:10:36 PM
That's why I said for no reason. As far as I know, there was no huge cataclysmic event yesterday that would have seven percent of the country to change their mind on Obama. And yes, if Obama was tied with Romney on one day and then suddenly leading him by 7 the next day, without some big event, then I would say the poll is suspect as well.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tidewater_Wave on March 15, 2012, 05:13:22 PM
That's why I said for no reason. As far as I know, there was no huge cataclysmic event yesterday that would have seven percent of the country to change their mind on Obama. And yes, if Obama was tied with Romney on one day and then suddenly leading him by 7 the next day, without some big event, then I would say the poll is suspect as well.

Ok that's true then. My fault if I misunderstood. 7 points is understandable in a week but not a day. One thing that is overlooked in polling though is the margin of error.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 15, 2012, 06:41:44 PM
Any poll that has a sudden 7-point shift in one day for no reason is trash, sorry.

It's probably just a bad set of numbers coming in or dropping out.

On the weekly, the biggest shift has been 3 points.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on March 16, 2012, 12:15:14 AM
That's why I said for no reason. As far as I know, there was no huge cataclysmic event yesterday that would have seven percent of the country to change their mind on Obama. And yes, if Obama was tied with Romney on one day and then suddenly leading him by 7 the next day, without some big event, then I would say the poll is suspect as well.

Greece defaulted on restructured their debt a few days ago. Subsequently, the markets, and media, have shrugged off the largest dollar default ever.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 16, 2012, 08:34:48 AM
Allstate/National Journal poll:

51% Approve
45% Disapprove

The president's numbers among independents are now positive (49%-47%), an improvement since December 2011 (38%-52%).

http://syndication.nationaljournal.com/communications/Allstate%20National%20Journal%20Heartland%20Monitor%20XII%20TOPLINE.pdf


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 16, 2012, 08:35:38 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, +2.

Disapprove 49%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  39%, -2.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 16, 2012, 01:29:15 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  44%, -1.

Disapprove:  50%, +1.

Probably a bad sample is moving through the system.






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Bacon King on March 16, 2012, 03:34:24 PM
"Strongly Disapprove" is at  49%, -2.

*39%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on March 16, 2012, 04:10:06 PM
That's why I said for no reason. As far as I know, there was no huge cataclysmic event yesterday that would have seven percent of the country to change their mind on Obama. And yes, if Obama was tied with Romney on one day and then suddenly leading him by 7 the next day, without some big event, then I would say the poll is suspect as well.

Greece defaulted on restructured their debt a few days ago. Subsequently, the markets, and media, have shrugged off the largest dollar default ever.

And you're saying that 7% of swing vote Americans know this happened?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 16, 2012, 04:18:48 PM

Fixed it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 17, 2012, 08:37:29 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, +1.

Disapprove 49%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  38%, -1.

Perhaps O'Bama has the luck of the Irish today.  :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 17, 2012, 02:16:00 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  43%, -1.

Disapprove:  50%, u.

I'm guessing a bad sample. 




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 18, 2012, 08:37:15 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, u.

Disapprove 50%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  39%, u.






Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Jax27 on March 18, 2012, 11:06:47 AM
I've noticed that Rasmussen is more to the left of most polls this cycle compared to 2004 and 2008 when they were to the right. Hopefully they're the most accurate because that's what I go by.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 18, 2012, 11:26:26 AM
I've noticed that Rasmussen is more to the left of most polls this cycle compared to 2004 and 2008 when they were to the right. Hopefully they're the most accurate because that's what I go by.

Nationally, they tend to be better than Gallup.  For states, they are better than nothing. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Jax27 on March 18, 2012, 12:21:37 PM
I've noticed that Rasmussen is more to the left of most polls this cycle compared to 2004 and 2008 when they were to the right. Hopefully they're the most accurate because that's what I go by.

Nationally, they tend to be better than Gallup.  For states, they are better than nothing. 

There are 2 things I like about Rasmussen that leads me to follow them above all other polls. They have daily reports and they poll states at least once or twice a week. Did you happen to see that they polled 4 states at once this past week? FL, NC, VA, and OH if I'm remembering correctly.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 18, 2012, 01:57:10 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  46%, +3.

Disapprove:  47%, -3.

Bad sample dropped out?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: anvi on March 18, 2012, 06:41:58 PM



Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  46%, +3.

Disapprove:  57%, -3.

Bad sample dropped out?

I guess it's 47%, not 57%, Disapprove?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 18, 2012, 06:43:02 PM



Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  46%, +3.

Disapprove:  57%, -3.

Bad sample dropped out?

I guess it's 47%, not 57%, Disapprove?

Thanks, I just fixed it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 19, 2012, 08:52:42 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, u.

Disapprove 50%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, +2.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 19, 2012, 05:14:41 PM



Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  49%, +3.

Disapprove:  44%, -3.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 20, 2012, 08:38:58 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, u.

Disapprove 50%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 20, 2012, 01:04:24 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  49%, u.

Disapprove:  44%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 21, 2012, 09:03:36 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, -1.

Disapprove 50%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 21, 2012, 02:01:02 PM



Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  46%, -3.

Disapprove:  46%,+2.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 22, 2012, 09:22:00 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, -1.

Disapprove 51%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 22, 2012, 12:20:39 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  46%, u.

Disapprove:  47%, +1.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ben Romney on March 22, 2012, 04:36:11 PM
Obama at 40% approval and 45% willing to vote for him again

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/NewsRoom/HarrisPolls/tabid/447/ctl/ReadCustom%20Default/mid/1508/ArticleId/991/Default.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 23, 2012, 08:34:53 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 51%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, +1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 23, 2012, 02:24:04 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  47%, +1.

Disapprove:  46%, -1.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 24, 2012, 08:35:12 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, +1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 24, 2012, 02:06:05 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  48%, +1.

Disapprove:  44%, -2.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 25, 2012, 09:37:00 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, -1.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 25, 2012, 04:57:42 PM



Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  47%, -1.

Disapprove:  44%, u.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 26, 2012, 08:50:58 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, +3.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ag on March 26, 2012, 10:49:29 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43%, +3.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, -1.



I think there is a typo



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: marvelrobbins on March 26, 2012, 10:52:14 AM
The actul complete numbers are

approve 49 %  Disapprove 51 %


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 26, 2012, 01:38:48 PM



Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  46%, +1.

Disapprove:  45%, -1.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 26, 2012, 01:42:55 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43%, +3.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, -1.



I think there is a typo

Thank you; I just fixed it.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 27, 2012, 08:37:01 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, -2.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 27, 2012, 01:09:05 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  47%, +1.

Disapprove:  45%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 28, 2012, 09:26:51 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, +1.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, +1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on March 28, 2012, 12:15:55 PM
Gallup:

48-44

For the record: Obama is now where Bush was in March/April/May 2004.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 28, 2012, 01:04:26 PM
Gallup:

48-44

For the record: Obama is now where Bush was in March/April/May 2004.

http://www.centredaily.com/2012/03/28/3142783/credentials-challenged.html

Bush, however was going downward at this point.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 29, 2012, 08:59:30 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, -2.

Disapprove 53%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, +1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 29, 2012, 02:03:59 PM



Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  46%, -2.

Disapprove:  46%, +2.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 30, 2012, 08:36:26 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, +2.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, -1.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 30, 2012, 12:11:47 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  44%, -2.

Disapprove:  47%, +1.

Probably a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 31, 2012, 08:34:03 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, -1.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, -1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on March 31, 2012, 03:18:44 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  43%, -1.

Disapprove:  50%, +3.

Probably a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 01, 2012, 09:36:12 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 01, 2012, 12:07:15 PM
LOL, Gallup:

46% Approve (+3)
45% Disapprove (-5)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 01, 2012, 12:45:12 PM
LOL, Gallup:

46% Approve (+3)
45% Disapprove (-5)

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Probably the bad sample dropping out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 02, 2012, 01:54:24 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  39%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 02, 2012, 01:57:31 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  47%, +1.

Disapprove:  44%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 03, 2012, 09:15:58 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, -1.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 03, 2012, 04:02:47 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  48%, +1.

Disapprove:  44%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 04, 2012, 08:42:55 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -1.

Disapprove 54%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, +1.


(I have a doctor's appointment this afternoon; someone can get Gallup earlier for me.)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 04, 2012, 03:07:34 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  48%, u.

Disapprove:  45%, +1.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 05, 2012, 09:48:19 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, +1.

Disapprove 53%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  43%, +2.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 05, 2012, 01:08:39 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  49%, +1.

Disapprove:  46%, +1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 06, 2012, 09:21:03 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, +1.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 06, 2012, 01:29:46 PM

Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  50%, +1.

Disapprove:  43%, -3.



I'd expect a bad sample moving into the system.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on April 06, 2012, 03:56:24 PM
Interesting how Gallup and Rasmussen continue to be polar opposites.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 07, 2012, 08:35:37 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, +2.

Disapprove 50%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, -2.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 07, 2012, 09:15:03 AM
The RCP average will be 48.8 to 46.0 today.

Which means that Obama's disapproval rate of 46% will be the lowest since the time after killing Osama bin Laden.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 07, 2012, 12:48:25 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  47%, -3.

Disapprove:  46%, +3.

Probably just a bad sample dropping out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 08, 2012, 08:42:06 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, u.

Disapprove 50%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 08, 2012, 05:10:50 PM
There is no Gallup update today (in case anyone was looking).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 09, 2012, 08:41:35 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, u.

Disapprove 50%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, u.

Keep an eye on the Strongly Approve number; it is either just slightly off, or there is some movement.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 09, 2012, 01:18:09 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  45%, -2.

Disapprove:  46%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 10, 2012, 08:45:26 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%,-2.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, +1.



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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 10, 2012, 04:30:29 PM



Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  44%, -1.

Disapprove:  46%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 11, 2012, 08:37:35 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%,+1.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 11, 2012, 12:13:21 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  45%, +1.

Disapprove:  45%, -1.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 12, 2012, 09:04:32 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%,u.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 12, 2012, 01:22:33 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  48%, +3.

Disapprove:  44%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 13, 2012, 08:44:23 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, -2.

Disapprove 51%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on April 13, 2012, 12:40:32 PM
The inverse showing between Rasmussen and Gallup continues:


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  49%, +1.

Disapprove:  44%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 14, 2012, 11:30:31 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -1.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 15, 2012, 03:40:32 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, -1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 15, 2012, 03:42:43 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  47%, -1.

Disapprove:  47%, +1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 16, 2012, 10:58:58 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Torie on April 16, 2012, 11:03:22 AM
Instead of going to the expense of having an election, why don't we just do it by who Ras has ahead on  the day we would otherwise have one. If we had an election where the results differed from Ras's numbers, it would be due to Dem fraud anyway. So we could at once save money and have an "honest" election. Cool!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 16, 2012, 01:14:28 PM


Gallup Daily:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve:  45%, -2.

Disapprove:  48%, +1.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 17, 2012, 08:43:51 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, +1.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  39%, -1.

I'm going busy over the next several weeks, so could someone else get these.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on April 18, 2012, 12:43:37 PM
Gallop 4/18:
47(+1)-47(-1)

Presumably, 4/17 was
46(+1)-48(nc)



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on April 18, 2012, 02:02:15 PM
I am now referring to Gallup as Gallop from now on.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Biden is your president. Deal with it. on April 23, 2012, 12:11:31 PM
Obama reaches 50% on Gallup

50% Approve +3
44% Disapprove -1


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Biden is your president. Deal with it. on April 24, 2012, 01:48:41 PM
No Change on Gallup today. Obama Approval Rating Reminds Steady At 50%

Approve 50%
Disapprove 44%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on April 24, 2012, 07:02:00 PM
Better late than never.

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%,+1.

Disapprove 53%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, -2.

I suspect a bad sample will dropping out tomorrow.








Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on April 26, 2012, 10:26:47 AM
Rasmussen:



4/26:
Total Approval       48%
Total Disapproval   51%


Strong Approve     27%
Strong Disapprove 40%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: philly09 on April 26, 2012, 09:26:41 PM
For the third day in a row, Obama's at 50% at Gallup

Approve: 50% uc.

Disapprove: 44% uc.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on April 30, 2012, 12:07:07 AM
Kansas (SurveyUSA):

43% Approve
49% Disapprove

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=c620b1a7-b7df-4d98-bbed-21d4e5301c72


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 03, 2012, 12:15:01 PM
Osama Bin Laden anniversary bounce for Obama. He's at or above 50 in both trackers today:

Gallup: 51-43 (+2,-3)

Rasmussen: 50-49 (+1, -1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: old timey villain on May 03, 2012, 03:03:09 PM
More than just a Bin Laden bounce if you ask me. His coalition is gelling once again, united against Romney. He just doesn't have much to offer lean Obama voters as of late.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: WhyteRain on May 06, 2012, 04:33:06 PM
I don't know why smart people pay so much attention to polls. 

At this point in 1980, Carter lead Reagan by about 18 points.

Obama's only chance to be in the White House in February of next year is as a visitor.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on May 06, 2012, 04:58:30 PM
I don't know why smart people pay so much attention to polls. 

At this point in 1980, Carter lead Reagan by about 18 points.

Obama's only chance to be in the White House in February of next year is as a visitor.

That's a comparison that's misleading in the extreme due to the Iran crisis, of course. But you knew that.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: muon2 on May 06, 2012, 05:28:52 PM
I'm one of Rasmussen's sample tonight. I'll be curious to see if it's a "good" or "bad" sample. ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: philly09 on May 06, 2012, 07:31:24 PM
I'm one of Rasmussen's sample tonight. I'll be curious to see if it's a "good" or "bad" sample. ;)


How does one become part these "samples"?   Be it Gallup or Rassmussen.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: muon2 on May 06, 2012, 09:53:31 PM
I'm one of Rasmussen's sample tonight. I'll be curious to see if it's a "good" or "bad" sample. ;)


How does one become part these "samples"?   Be it Gallup or Rassmussen.

They called me, so my number must have been in their random sample today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 08, 2012, 09:39:30 AM
I don't know why smart people pay so much attention to polls.

They show things happening before they manifest themselves in  an election. If the incumbent President had approval ratings in the 30s, then that would be evidence that he isn't up to the job and that the usual challenger would defeat him handily. Maybe he would spare himself the embarrassment of being trounced in an election.

Think of how unpopular such senators as Rick Santorum was in 2006 and Blanche Lincoln was in 2010.

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At this point in 1980, Carter lead Reagan by about 18 points.

1. That says much more about Ronald Reagan than about Ronald Reagan than about Jimmy Carter. Ronald Reagan was known as "the Great Communicator" for convincing people that he was right for the time.

2. Nobody could have predicted the Iranian hostage situation that slowly dragged down support for the President.

3. Jimmy Carter had won the Presidency in 1976 by putting together a Democratic coalition that included a large number of southern white people who are best described as the sorts who voted for George Wallace in 1968. Carter won a bunch of states that have never since voted for any Democratic nominee for President -- Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina. Carter won as a 'good 'ol boy" against a weak d@mnyankee incumbent who still won the "Rockefeller Republicans" . Reagan won those over while keeping the Rockefeller Republicans.

4. Generational change then favored Republicans about as it now favors Democrats. In 1980 the youngest voters were no longer Baby Boomers; they were Generation X which has shown itself one of the most conservative generations ever. They were much more conservative on economic issues and law-and-order than the generations that had the bulk of WWII, Korea, and Vietnam-era veterans. The generation then more conservative than Generation X was the Lost Generation born in the 19th Century.  Elections are won on margins.

5. Presidential politics have practically inverted the reality of 1976. Jimmy Carter is the last Democratic President to have won despite losing California, Oregon, Washington, New Mexico, Iowa, Illinois, Michigan, New Hampshire, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Connecticut, and New Jersey. If anything President Obama has done much to put together most parts of the Eisenhower coalition. Tellingly, Barack Obama won only one state (North Carolina) that Dwight Eisenhower ever lost.

6. The Romney-Reagan analogy is ludicrous. Mitt Romney is a trimming opportunist who has changed his views not so much to fit changing reality (which one would excuse) instead of someone who like Reagan convinced people that his austere conservatism would solve big problems. Mitt Romney has changed his tune as he finds a different audience, which is far less effective.

7. President Barack Obama is probably best described as a left-wing version of Ronald Reagan. If you thought that Ronald Reagan was the Great Communicator, then wait until you meet Barack Obama.

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Obama's only chance to be in the White House in February of next year is as a visitor.

Only in the event of

(1) a breaking scandal -- which would already manifest itself in polls because there would be indications in secretiveness and inexplicable eccentricities of policy-making

(2) a sudden economic meltdown for which there is no apparent cause -- as there is no speculative boom about to go bust that can devalue the assets of home owners or people recently snookered into buying securities

(3) a military or diplomatic debacle -- except that the President is very cautious, and he cooperates well with the armed forces and the intelligence agencies

(4) bungled treatment of a natural disaster -- just think of Hurricane Katrina. Except that President Obama has well treated tornado outbreaks for which there is no advanced warning.  

(5) extremely erratic behavior better explained in DMS-IV than in normal discussion of politics.

Wise people do not bet on long-shots unless they see a huge bargain -- let's say a race horse that is given 100-1 chances that are really 20-1.  I see the President having roughly 50-50 chances now in six of states (Colorado, Florida, Missouri, Ohio, North Carolina, Virginia) different enough that there is no appeal that wins them all without cutting into overall support for the President. Basically a model based on exact 50-50 chances in those states alone gives the President 63 chances in 64 of winning re-election. Something must change drastically for Mitt Romney to have a better chance.

  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: philly09 on May 10, 2012, 07:48:52 PM
Gallup

48: Approve

46: Disapprove

Obama is 2 points ahead of Bush at this time, and 5-6 points behind Reagan.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: philly09 on May 10, 2012, 07:54:04 PM
Rassmussen

46: Approve

53: Disapprove

26% Strongly Approve, 42% Strongly Disapprove.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on May 11, 2012, 02:40:44 PM
Gallup
Approve 49% (+1)
Disapprove 45% (-1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on May 11, 2012, 02:47:30 PM
Truly the gay marriage announcement has doomed Obama's hopes of re-election. Witness his seven po--- uh, one point statistically insignificant gain on Romney in Gallup's tracker.

It's almost as if the announcement will have a negligible effect!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on May 12, 2012, 03:10:00 PM
Truly the gay marriage announcement has doomed Obama's hopes of re-election. Witness his seven po--- uh, one point statistically insignificant gain on Romney in Gallup's tracker.

It's almost as if the announcement will have a negligible effect!

The homophobes were never going to vote for President Obama anyway. But that said, President Obama consolidated some support that he might never have otherwise gotten.

In a narrow election something inconvenient  but necessary can work. LGBT rights has become a positive issue in a bunch of states best described as moderate-to-liberal... Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, maybe Indiana and Florida...

GROW UP, AMERICA!

God really did make Adam and Steve and still loves them in knowledge of what they do with each other if He made them gay. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: milhouse24 on May 14, 2012, 09:08:42 PM
Truly the gay marriage announcement has doomed Obama's hopes of re-election. Witness his seven po--- uh, one point statistically insignificant gain on Romney in Gallup's tracker.

It's almost as if the announcement will have a negligible effect!

The homophobes were never going to vote for President Obama anyway. But that said, President Obama consolidated some support that he might never have otherwise gotten.

In a narrow election something inconvenient  but necessary can work. LGBT rights has become a positive issue in a bunch of states best described as moderate-to-liberal... Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, maybe Indiana and Florida...

GROW UP, AMERICA!

God really did make Adam and Steve and still loves them in knowledge of what they do with each other if He made them gay. 

This might not directly effect politics, but the HIV/AIDS issue used to be a big concern in the gay community, but it seems in the past decade or so, with modern medicine and examples such as Magic Johnson surviving and living long lives, the threat of HIV is no longer an issue, at least it is no longer discussed as a medical threat in mainstream news.  In addition sodomy laws are no longer criminalized.  Anyone can justify two men or two women living together and getting financial benefits.  But the act of two men having anal intercourse can be painful, not as natural as vaginal insemination, and medically dangerous to those people exposed to STD's and HIV.  I doubt the USA will have an HIV outbreak like Africa, but I think Americans fear infection and death.  Any media coverage of HIV outbreaks in the USA would decrease support for gay marriage. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on May 14, 2012, 10:17:18 PM
That response is like a mysterious car crash ...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on May 16, 2012, 08:34:29 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%,+1.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, u.

I've had a busy fortnight.  :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Iosif on May 16, 2012, 05:56:34 PM
Mensa convention?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President von Cat on May 17, 2012, 08:08:42 AM
So assuming that these polls are beginning to have more of a predictive value, where would we say we are at this point?

Obama is certainly off his summer 2011 lows, and the economy looks like it is going to create jobs at a better pace than it did last year as well. With jobless claims at 370,000, we are roughly at a point where job creation can be strong enough to drop the unemployment rate.

At the same time, Europe looks really unstable, and so economic collapse can never be completely ruled out.

I would say, given presidential approval in the high 40s, we're in for either a 2004 or a 2000, in which one party wins by a nose.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 17, 2012, 12:12:47 PM
Gallup:

47-47

45-45 Obama/Romney

Rasmussen:

47-52

45-46 Obama/Romney


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 19, 2012, 08:38:39 AM
Obama takes the lead again (Rasmussen):

46-45 Obama

49-50 Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on May 23, 2012, 09:16:53 AM
Rasmussen:

51% Approve, 48% Disapprove

46-45 Obama-Romney


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Person Man on May 27, 2012, 06:02:44 PM
Rasmussen:

51% Approve, 48% Disapprove

46-45 Obama-Romney

Those numbers don't quite make since. This does feel a lot like 2004, actually...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on May 29, 2012, 01:42:27 PM
Gallup
A 49%
D 44%

Rasmussen
A 49%
D 50%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BigSkyBob on June 02, 2012, 10:03:50 AM
Rasmussen 6/2:

Romney 48% Obama 44%
Obama Approval 46% Disapproval 53%

The first day reflecting the jobs report show movement against Obama. Next two days could be interesting.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President von Cat on June 04, 2012, 07:04:51 PM
Gallup

Approve 47% +1
Disapprove 45% -2



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President von Cat on June 06, 2012, 11:54:24 PM
Gallup

Approve 46% unchanged
Disapprove 47% +1

Guys when will May's poor job creation report tank Obama's approval ratings? Its been nearly a week, I'm getting a little impatient here.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on June 07, 2012, 12:01:34 AM
I don't know, but it's getting disgusting how America just laps up anything Obama, even with reality staring them in the face.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: philly09 on June 07, 2012, 03:56:27 AM
Rasmussen

Obama and Romney are tied at 46%

Obama approval ratings:

49% Approve
50% Disapprove


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President von Cat on June 07, 2012, 11:33:08 AM
Well this sure is interesting:

Less Than Half in U.S. See Friday's Jobs Report as Negative, according to Gallup.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/155084/Less-Half-Friday-Jobs-Report-Negative.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/155084/Less-Half-Friday-Jobs-Report-Negative.aspx)

Despite extensive news coverage of what was widely portrayed as a disappointing government jobs report last Friday, Americans are about as likely to describe it as "mixed" (40%) as to say it is "negative" (42%), with a small minority characterizing it as "positive" (9%). But Americans who view the report as negative are more likely to say it was somewhat negative rather than very negative.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on June 07, 2012, 11:54:37 AM
Oh, I understand Obama's campaign strategy now. Be SO bad and set the bar SO low that bad news is good news and Americans start to accept a new normal. Bravo, Mr. President--you will destroy the country.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Oakvale on June 07, 2012, 03:01:58 PM
:)

Maybe Americans are beginning to realise that the alternative is a weak, unprincipled President controlled by a party of psychotic fascist maniacs.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on June 07, 2012, 06:43:58 PM
Oh, I understand Obama's campaign strategy now. Be SO bad and set the bar SO low that bad news is good news and Americans start to accept a new normal. Bravo, Mr. President--you will destroy the country.

You really live in a strange little world...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on June 07, 2012, 07:03:33 PM
Sure. And this strange little world looks a lot like Earth, 2012. Where Obama has nothing to show for three and a half years in office but Americans still love the guy. It is pretty strange, isn't it?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on June 07, 2012, 07:13:53 PM
Sure. And this strange little world looks a lot like Earth, 2012. Where Obama has nothing to show for three and a half years in office but Americans still love the guy. It is pretty strange, isn't it?

4.5 million private sector jobs created? The unemployment rate would be a full % lower were it not for the states going all European austerity on their workforces?

A better job creation rate than Bush, who squandered surpluses and the ultimate example that tax cuts don't pay for themselves?



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President von Cat on June 11, 2012, 12:21:14 AM
Gallup:

Approve: 48%, +1
Disapprove: 45%, unchanged



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yank2133 on June 11, 2012, 12:13:42 PM
Obama cracks 50.

Approve: 50%
Disapprove: 44%

Good news since he has a bad couple of weeks.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: old timey villain on June 11, 2012, 09:45:28 PM
Hey Hagrid, now you know how Democrats felt in 2004. A president that the other side hated somehow managed to win a second term in uncertain times. Karma's a bitch aint it?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on June 12, 2012, 12:25:00 AM
:P

Both weren't exactly the best incumbents. It's sort of interesting though how I percieve their personal weaknesses to be total opposites. Bush's weakness was his percieved stupidity. But I think even Republicans will agree that Obama's an intelligent guy. Obama's weaknes, though, is the percieved lack of strength in his leadership. And I actually think the leadership issue was a plus for Bush in 2004. Bush didn't seem like a waffler.

It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on June 12, 2012, 02:10:10 AM
I'm not sure how I feel about a Canadian calling my President "Mr. President."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on June 12, 2012, 02:16:09 AM
I'm not sure I care.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 14, 2012, 08:22:49 AM
Sure. And this strange little world looks a lot like Earth, 2012. Where Obama has nothing to show for three and a half years in office but Americans still love the guy. It is pretty strange, isn't it?

1. Putting an end to the most severe and dangerous economic meltdown in nearly 80 years.

2. Much legislative activity.

3. American involvement in Iraq ended.

4. American involvement in Afghanistan winding down.

5. Anti-American sentiments vastly reduced.

6. Good handling of the Arab Spring.

7. Osama bin Ladin whacked. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on June 14, 2012, 12:32:25 PM
At least the other folks offered something specific and unsubjective. I'll give you 2.5 out of 7.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on June 14, 2012, 03:20:03 PM
At least the other folks offered something specific and unsubjective. I'll give you 2.5 out of 7.

Which won't you give him?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on June 18, 2012, 08:50:02 AM
Hey Hagrid, now you know how Democrats felt in 2004. A president that the other side hated somehow managed to win a second term in uncertain times. Karma's a bitch aint it?

The economy was pretty good in 2004.  Unemployment was around 5.5% and falling and GDP growth was about 3%. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on June 18, 2012, 12:57:49 PM
At least the other folks offered something specific and unsubjective. I'll give you 2.5 out of 7.

Which won't you give him?

1, 2, 5, and 6 are completely subjective. I get the half-point from 4.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on June 18, 2012, 09:35:47 PM

So assuming that these polls are beginning to have more of a predictive value, where would we say we are at this point?


The "horse race" polls still have very weak predictive power, they are worth a glace in the sense that if Romney were to open up a consistent and stable lead it might mean something, but there is such a long way to go....

If you track losing Presidents, Carter had a big lead on Reagan at this point, and Bush #1 was still up on Bubba at this point in the race.

Job approval still is a far better predictor of outcome at this point, and the current results are pretty inconclusive.

If Obama's broad aggregate approval over an averaged range of polls is above 50% he is just about certain to win.  If the GOP had a super duper amazing candidate, you could maybe knock out Obama if he was 50%+, but this is not the case.

On the other hand, if Obama is below 45% by the same measure, he is pretty much doomed.

Bush II was polling very similarly to Obama in the summer of 2004.  Given that GOPers tend to gain a couple % when we shift to a likely voter model, and Dens tend to drop a point or two, I would say Obama is pretty much right on the bubble right now.

An interesting point will be how the shift in financial resources will impact the race.  In 2008 Obama had roughly a 2 to 1 financial advantage over McCain, and this allowed Obama to expand the playing field to places like North Carolina, Virginia, etc and McCain simply did not have the resources to fight back.

In 2012 it seems like outside GOP aligned groups (Crossroads GPS, Restore Our Future, etc) may come fairly close to bridging the spending gap that the Dems traditionally enjoy from Labor unions, Hollywood, etc.

GOP friendly groups might pour a lot of money into places like Pennsylvania and Michigan not so much to actually win those states, but to pull time and money from the Obama campaign away from places like Ohio and perhaps Virginia that are likely the pivotal states.

The continued decline of Dem friendly mainstream media and the rise of internet and alternative media also represents a shift that favors the GOP.

Right now, this looks like an amazingly close race to me.







Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on June 19, 2012, 01:57:55 AM
The rise of the internet helping the GOP? Dems usually enjoying a money advantage? Uh....

Interesting analysis otherwise. I also think this race is very tight, though I do think Obama's approval numbers underestimate how he would do against Romney or any other generic Republican (version 2012). There are groups out there that do not approve of the job Obama has done but voting for the Republicans is not a viable option.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on June 19, 2012, 02:33:56 AM
On the other hand, there are groups of people who think Obama is doing an "okay" job but expected so much more of him. I think a sizable junk of Obama's approval is shaky and displeased approval. Those are the people who could be willing to give Mitt a chance.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: WhyteRain on June 19, 2012, 08:30:15 AM
After the Reagan Revolution of the early-80s, there were only two recessions an, d both were extraordinarily mild (the early 1990s and early 2000s).  That is why the Democrats think they can get away with claiming that the 2007-09 recession was "different, worse than every other recession".

Americans over 50 have an obligation to tell young people, that no, the recent recession was not substantially worse than either the 1973-75 or the 1980-82 ones.  The difference is that those recessions were followed by ROBUST recoveries.  GDP growth in 1976-78 averaged 5.5% and in 1983-85 averaged 6.0%.  Obama's GDP growth, 2010-12 (with two quarters left to go) has averaged a miserable 1.9%


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Comrade Funk on June 19, 2012, 09:05:01 AM
After the Reagan Revolution of the early-80s, there were only two recessions an, d both were extraordinarily mild (the early 1990s and early 2000s).  That is why the Democrats think they can get away with claiming that the 2007-09 recession was "different, worse than every other recession".

Americans over 50 have an obligation to tell young people, that no, the recent recession was not substantially worse than either the 1973-75 or the 1980-82 ones.  The difference is that those recessions were followed by ROBUST recoveries.  GDP growth in 1976-78 averaged 5.5% and in 1983-85 averaged 6.0%.  Obama's GDP growth, 2010-12 (with two quarters left to go) has averaged a miserable 1.9%
1.) The early 90s recession started because of the end of the Cold War, which saw the demise of a lot of defense industry jobs. 90s prosperity was due to the computer revolution and the dot.com bubble.
2.) The dot.com bubble recession saw the demise of most dot.com companies, and was mainly a market recession, though unemployment breifly reached 6%. Unlike the 90s, wages and family income never increased all that much. Not to mention the housing bubble was in it's infancy, which helped the market a lot.
3.) This recession alomst saw the demise of AIG and major investment banks. Without the bailouts and federal takeovers, it would have been another depression. There's a reason people and economists called it the worse financial collapse since the Great Depression, and this was before Obama became president.

Please continue to spin though.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: WhyteRain on June 19, 2012, 09:32:41 AM
After the Reagan Revolution of the early-80s, there were only two recessions an, d both were extraordinarily mild (the early 1990s and early 2000s).  That is why the Democrats think they can get away with claiming that the 2007-09 recession was "different, worse than every other recession".

Americans over 50 have an obligation to tell young people, that no, the recent recession was not substantially worse than either the 1973-75 or the 1980-82 ones.  The difference is that those recessions were followed by ROBUST recoveries.  GDP growth in 1976-78 averaged 5.5% and in 1983-85 averaged 6.0%.  Obama's GDP growth, 2010-12 (with two quarters left to go) has averaged a miserable 1.9%
1.) The early 90s recession started because of the end of the Cold War, which saw the demise of a lot of defense industry jobs. 90s prosperity was due to the computer revolution and the dot.com bubble.
2.) The dot.com bubble recession saw the demise of most dot.com companies, and was mainly a market recession, though unemployment breifly reached 6%. Unlike the 90s, wages and family income never increased all that much. Not to mention the housing bubble was in it's infancy, which helped the market a lot.
3.) This recession alomst saw the demise of AIG and major investment banks. Without the bailouts and federal takeovers, it would have been another depression. There's a reason people and economists called it the worse financial collapse since the Great Depression, and this was before Obama became president.

Please continue to spin though.

Since you didn't dispute anything I said, I'm not sure how to respond.

To "spin" again, I say that yes, the 2007-09 recession was long and deep -- but it was not substantially worse than either the 1973-75 or 1980-82 recessions.  The fact that there were (real and threatened) bank collapses in 2007-09 did not make it worse.  Anyway, the government has now given so much money to the banks that interest rates are, incredibly, going negative!  This is because so few Americans have the confidence to take out loans.

The fact is that all these recessions reached their deepest points in the first quarters of their last year -- in 1Q '75, 1Q '82, and 1Q '09.  That makes it easy to look at the next three calendar years for comparison.  From 1976-78, GNP growth averaged 5.5%; in 1983-85, 6.0%, now (with two quarters to go), 1.9%.  This is not how recessions are supposed to end. 

Even the mild recessions of the 1990s and early 2000s had better recoveries:  In 1992-94, annual growth averaged 3.8%; in 2003-05, 3.2%.

Btw, the cause of the financial collapse in 2008 was the housing bubble bursting.  And the cause of the housing bubble was government policies to "close the racial gap in home ownership".  Obama (1) supported these policies as a U.S. Senator, 2005-2008, and (2) has not ended them as president.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President von Cat on June 19, 2012, 10:46:19 AM
This recession is fundamentally different from the 70s and 80s ones, because those were the results of  the cyclical business cycle. This was the result of a financial crisis, and financial crises almost always result in low growth recoveries.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on June 19, 2012, 12:49:21 PM
The rise of the internet helping the GOP? Dems usually enjoying a money advantage? Uh....


Actually, I said "internet and alternative media ".. which I do think is valid.

30 years ago there was the big networks and the newspapers which utterly dominated the flow of information... today there are a zillion sources...

The rise of "Talk Radio", as a classic example is clearly pretty darn helpful to the GOP.

The internet is, due to it's utter lack of centralization and control, a place where the GOP can compete.

For example, in 2004 when CBS and Dan Rather fabricated a story about Bush and his ANG days, the GOP and conservatives had a method and a medium to fight back with... if the same thing had happened in 1964 the fabrication likely would have represented a successful attack.

With respect to the traditional Dem spending advantage, this is well documented.

If you take the true value of the literally tens of thousands of paid political operatives who are paid by the likes of the Teacher's Union, UAW, AFL-CIO and then "volunteer" for various democratic candidates (thus not counting as a campaign expenditure) the Dems have held a rather large advantage in actual campaign resources for many years.

The unlimited spending allowed by "Citizens United" is, if one steps back and looks at it objectively, a counterweight to the unlimited Union expenditures that have gone on for decades.

Some sort of sanity would be nice on the campaign spending side, but at least having, essentially, no rules is fair in the sense that there are, well, no rules.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on June 19, 2012, 02:54:45 PM
After the Reagan Revolution of the early-80s, there were only two recessions an, d both were extraordinarily mild (the early 1990s and early 2000s).  That is why the Democrats think they can get away with claiming that the 2007-09 recession was "different, worse than every other recession".

Americans over 50 have an obligation to tell young people, that no, the recent recession was not substantially worse than either the 1973-75 or the 1980-82 ones.  The difference is that those recessions were followed by ROBUST recoveries.  GDP growth in 1976-78 averaged 5.5% and in 1983-85 averaged 6.0%.  Obama's GDP growth, 2010-12 (with two quarters left to go) has averaged a miserable 1.9%
1.) The early 90s recession started because of the end of the Cold War, which saw the demise of a lot of defense industry jobs. 90s prosperity was due to the computer revolution and the dot.com bubble.
2.) The dot.com bubble recession saw the demise of most dot.com companies, and was mainly a market recession, though unemployment breifly reached 6%. Unlike the 90s, wages and family income never increased all that much. Not to mention the housing bubble was in it's infancy, which helped the market a lot.
3.) This recession alomst saw the demise of AIG and major investment banks. Without the bailouts and federal takeovers, it would have been another depression. There's a reason people and economists called it the worse financial collapse since the Great Depression, and this was before Obama became president.

Please continue to spin though.

Since you didn't dispute anything I said, I'm not sure how to respond.

To "spin" again, I say that yes, the 2007-09 recession was long and deep -- but it was not substantially worse than either the 1973-75 or 1980-82 recessions.  The fact that there were (real and threatened) bank collapses in 2007-09 did not make it worse.  Anyway, the government has now given so much money to the banks that interest rates are, incredibly, going negative!  This is because so few Americans have the confidence to take out loans.

The fact is that all these recessions reached their deepest points in the first quarters of their last year -- in 1Q '75, 1Q '82, and 1Q '09.  That makes it easy to look at the next three calendar years for comparison.  From 1976-78, GNP growth averaged 5.5%; in 1983-85, 6.0%, now (with two quarters to go), 1.9%.  This is not how recessions are supposed to end. 

Even the mild recessions of the 1990s and early 2000s had better recoveries:  In 1992-94, annual growth averaged 3.8%; in 2003-05, 3.2%.

Btw, the cause of the financial collapse in 2008 was the housing bubble bursting.  And the cause of the housing bubble was government policies to "close the racial gap in home ownership".  Obama (1) supported these policies as a U.S. Senator, 2005-2008, and (2) has not ended them as president.

This is a recession caused by plummeting house prices which affected nearly every home owners wealth. This meant they started deleveraging by not taking on other loans and increasing their savings rate. This is not the same as other recessions. When people need to reduce their debt load, the recovery is meek like we have seen. Any economist will tell you a recovery after a housing crash is going to be slow.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: pbrower2a on June 20, 2012, 01:13:53 PM
This recession is fundamentally different from the 70s and 80s ones, because those were the results of  the cyclical business cycle. This was the result of a financial crisis, and financial crises almost always result in low growth recoveries.

Right. The late 2007 - early 2009 meltdown looks much like (at least in severity and cause) to the first half of the late 1929 - late 1932 meltdown. America had been spared financial meltdowns because of Depression-era reforms that, so long as they were kept in place, prevented the corruption and recklessness that made possible the Great Stock Market Crash of 1929 and ensuing nastiness. Repeal of Glass-Steagall was a bad idea.  The 'Ownership Society' of Dubya proved a destructive hustle based on overpriced real estate and predatory lending.

Other downturns may be linked to the end of big construction projects such as giant bridges and dams. Such downturns allow recoveries in part from reduced costs of doing business and the eventual start of new such projects. The Golden Gate, Mackinac, and Verrazzano Bridges pay for themselves. The financial meltdown of 2007-2009 simply devoured capital with less-than-full compensation.

Lending at its best is in essence the recycling of capital with a little profit to the lender. The competent lender typically lends the proceeds of a successful loan as it is paid off to a new borrower. Meyer Rothschild established a wise principle: Never make a loan unless the loan is good for the borrower (typically for starting or enlarging a business). Such is not charity except by contrast to loan-shark activities that inevitably hurt the borrower. People doing well by borrowing to promote their own economic gain are good clients for repeated borrowings or become repositories of the capital for other loans.

A meltdown that destroyed the accumulation of roughly 15 years of capital formation will not be undone quickly. Anyone who expects otherwise is a visionary... fool.     


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on June 20, 2012, 11:02:41 PM

This is a recession caused by plummeting house prices which affected nearly every home owners wealth. This meant they started deleveraging by not taking on other loans and increasing their savings rate. This is not the same as other recessions. When people need to reduce their debt load, the recovery is meek like we have seen. Any economist will tell you a recovery after a housing crash is going to be slow.


This recession is fundamentally different from the 70s and 80s ones, because those were the results of  the cyclical business cycle. This was the result of a financial crisis, and financial crises almost always result in low growth recoveries.

In some respects you are both talking about different manifestations of the same root cause - Government policy distorting the "true" value of a major element of the economy by way of assorted silly policies.

In the late 70s the substantial growth of the government, first with LBJ and the War + the "great society" then Nixon with the decoupling of the Dollar from Gold (I don't support tying the currency to Gold, but I do support anchoring it to "something" other than government whim and folly) then Carter with his insane energy policies (among other economic madneses) diluted and debased the currency while artificially driving many prices (primarily energy) upward. - After a while 10% inflation got "baked into the cake" and tainted any and all long term economic planning. - In some respects the 1980 era recession was "planned" in the sense the Volker and company judged that 20% interest rates were they only way to wring inflation out of the system.

The 2008 housing bubble also had at it's root silly government policy.  The demand for housing was artificially massively inflated by, essentially, mandating that Fanny and Ginny guarantee loans to people who in any remotely sane universe simply has no business buying a home.  

This broke the "iron law" of economics that requires that the entity making the profit from a loan also needs to take the hit if the loan goes bad. (This is the same reason why life insurance salesmen don't get to do their own underwriting) When banks and other institutions could make all the profit from a loan (the points, the fees, etc) and then shift the risk to the taxpayer....  well.... what ultimately happened was damn near inevitable.....  It would have been utterly astonishing if the market DIDN'T collapse.

My beef with Obama folks on housing is that they have slow walked the pain.

A house that sold for $400K that is now worth $200K means somewhere there is going to need to be $200K worth of pain.... the market and every sane economist and investor knows this, and until this pain is inflicted upon somebody, nobody will invest.  The "pain" is like winter snow in the mountains - it's gonna melt, the question is just when....

If you factor in inflation, interest rates are now negative.. what does that say?

The smart folks (the ones with trillions of dollars) have concluded that a negative rate of return is the best possible choice for their money right now.  Until that changes the chances of new factories, plants, businesses being created in adequate numbers is pretty much zero.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Minnesota Mike on June 24, 2012, 12:17:57 PM
So Obama jumped 5 points to 51% approval today (51-45). I actually think that is close to where we are at but the volatility is absurd.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 29, 2012, 09:37:06 AM
Obama takes first lead in 3 weeks @ Rasmussen today:

45-44 Obama

49-49 Approval (+2, -2)

Quote
Data for this update is conducted via nightly interviews and reported on a three-day rolling average basis.

As a result, just one-third of the interviews for today’s update were conducted following the Supreme Court ruling on the president’s health care law.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 29, 2012, 12:08:21 PM
Gallup is also moving slightly towards Obama today (but caution, it's a 7-day tracker):

48-43 Obama/Romney
47-46 Obama Approval


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 29, 2012, 01:55:52 PM
Clearly the SCOTUS ruling has doomed Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on June 29, 2012, 03:45:56 PM
Yeah, Obama's gonna lose by 20 points now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on June 29, 2012, 04:57:38 PM
Obamacare ruling came out yesterday. Give it some time.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on June 30, 2012, 09:35:51 AM
Rasmussen:

50% Approve
49% Disapprove

46% Obama
44% Romney

Quote
The president is enjoying a modest bounce following the Supreme Court ruling on the health care law. This is the first time he has held the lead on consecutive days in more than a month.

Data for the tracking poll is based upon nightly interviews and reported on a three-day rolling average basis. As a result, just two-thirds of the interviews for today’s update were conducted following the Supreme Court ruling on the president’s health care law. Tomorrow will be the first update based entirely upon interviews conducted since that ruling.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: philly09 on July 01, 2012, 05:13:50 PM
Gallup

48 Approve

46 Disapprove

47/44 Obama/Romney

He's mirroring GWB's numbers.

Rassmussen

48 Approve

51 Disapprove

45/45 Obama/Romney


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: sentinel on July 05, 2012, 03:28:08 PM
There's a sudden lack of posts in here


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on July 05, 2012, 11:22:20 PM
There's a sudden lack of posts in here

It's July 4 week. Almost no polls are released.

Besides, I expected this when I created this thread: That in the 2nd half of 2012, attention will move away from this thread and to the GE polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 08, 2012, 08:56:19 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%,-1.

Disapprove 50%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, +1.

I'll try to get back to this, but I've had a busy month.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on July 08, 2012, 05:17:59 PM
Either way, your work is much appreciated. :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 09, 2012, 09:04:18 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%,-2.

Disapprove 52%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, +1.

Possibly just a bad sample dropping out, and not a sudden turning from Obama.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 10, 2012, 03:05:00 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%,-2.

Disapprove 53%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  44%, +3.

Either a bad sample has moved in or a bad sample dropped.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 11, 2012, 08:40:16 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%,+2.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  44%, -3.

It looks like a really bad anti-Obama sample has dropped out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Iosif on July 11, 2012, 01:34:01 PM
"Bad sample?"

"Good sample?"

"Good sample?"

"Bad sample?"

How we missed you JJ.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 11, 2012, 02:48:02 PM
"Bad sample?"

"Good sample?"

"Good sample?"

"Bad sample?"

How we missed you JJ.

Well, if you'd look at the numbers, there was a break over Independence Day.  Prior to that, the numbers were slightly higher prior to that.  After, there was a drop.  The drop was either real movement toward Obama or a bad sample; because of the gap, we couldn't really tell.

Then Obama's numbers dropped.  Was it a bad sample, did a pro-Obama bad example drop out.  We have a clearer picture today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on July 13, 2012, 08:17:41 AM
Can this thread make it to 10,000 posts before election day???? :P


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 13, 2012, 08:45:33 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%,+2.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 13, 2012, 08:53:29 AM
Can this thread make it to 10,000 posts before election day???? :P

Probably.  The thread started on 1/22/09.  Even just two polls per day will take it over 10,000.

Not to mention extraneous commentary.

It is a reasonably good thread as well.  Nice job Tender for starting it!  :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 14, 2012, 05:33:50 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%,+1.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 15, 2012, 11:11:34 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%,-1.

Disapprove 51%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, -1.



Correction


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 16, 2012, 09:07:20 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%,-1.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 17, 2012, 10:56:47 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%,-1.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 18, 2012, 08:00:10 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, u.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 19, 2012, 11:16:34 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 51%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  43%, +1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 20, 2012, 01:05:15 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 51%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 21, 2012, 11:26:21 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, +1.

Disapprove 51%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 22, 2012, 04:13:39 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, +1.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 23, 2012, 04:43:38 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, u.

Disapprove 50%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 24, 2012, 08:42:39 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, -1.

Disapprove 50%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 25, 2012, 05:53:57 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 51%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, +1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 26, 2012, 12:54:27 PM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 51%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Darius_Addicus_Gaius on July 26, 2012, 11:51:37 PM
He's at 29% amongst independents and most LV polls have shown Romney leading. Alot of people are registered to vote but only 55%-60% will actually do so. Recent polls have been bad news for the president but on election day his approval rating will likely be his percentage of the popular vote plus or minus a point.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Warren 4 Secretary of Everything on July 27, 2012, 12:31:32 AM
He's at 29% amongst independents and most LV polls have shown Romney leading. Alot of people are registered to vote but only 55%-60% will actually do so. Recent polls have been bad news for the president but on election day his approval rating will likely be his percentage of the popular vote plus or minus a point.
Welcome to the forum.
LV polls don't matter in Juky. People aren't gonna be guaranteed to vote in the middle of summer. Most credible pollsters poll registered voters until about October. Besides, you can only vote once. Likely voters are to hard to determine.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Darius_Addicus_Gaius on July 27, 2012, 12:38:05 AM
He's at 29% amongst independents and most LV polls have shown Romney leading. Alot of people are registered to vote but only 55%-60% will actually do so. Recent polls have been bad news for the president but on election day his approval rating will likely be his percentage of the popular vote plus or minus a point.
Welcome to the forum.
LV polls don't matter in Juky. People aren't gonna be guaranteed to vote in the middle of summer. Most credible pollsters poll registered voters until about October. Besides, you can only vote once. Likely voters are to hard to determine.

Likely voters matter in November though and if he doesn't work to get their votes or things don't change then there will be alot of voters likely to vote against him. I'll give you that it's early, but polling likely voters is going to be more accurate at anytime during the year. Thank you for welcoming me. Another factor for polling that most sources don't reveal is how many members from each party are being polled. I can't remember now the sources but there were polls in the summer of 2008 that showed over 60% of people being polled as Democrats.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 27, 2012, 05:34:18 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, -1.

Disapprove 53%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, u+1



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on July 27, 2012, 07:44:27 PM
That's more like it!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 28, 2012, 09:50:15 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  43%, u+1



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 30, 2012, 01:40:34 PM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, u




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on July 31, 2012, 10:04:15 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  43%, +1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 01, 2012, 09:21:05 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, u.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  43%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 02, 2012, 11:57:14 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -2.

Disapprove 53%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  44%, +1.


Probably a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 02, 2012, 01:41:46 PM
Gallup:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

Approve:  45%

Disapprove:  49%

In comparison, of all presidents up for reelection, Obama is running ahead of only Carter and GHW Bush.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: philly09 on August 02, 2012, 04:39:17 PM
Gallup:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

Approve:  45%

Disapprove:  49%

In comparison, of all presidents up for reelection, Obama is running ahead of Carter only, but only a point behind GHW Bush.

You mean George W. Bush?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 02, 2012, 04:42:25 PM
Gallup:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

Approve:  45%

Disapprove:  49%

In comparison, of all presidents up for reelection, Obama is running ahead of Carter only, but only a point behind GHW Bush.

You mean George W. Bush?

Yes, I just corrected it.  GHW Bush and Carter were substantially lower.  The Ford numbers are not on-line.  Let me see if I have them.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 03, 2012, 09:06:02 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 44%, -1.

Disapprove 54%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  45%, +1.

I'd really be betting this is a bad sample and Obama will bounce up someone time over the weekend.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 04, 2012, 05:11:38 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, +1.

Disapprove 53%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 22%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  44%, -1.

It still could be a bad sample, which might be out tomorrow or Monday.  If so, we should see Obama's numbers going up.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 04, 2012, 05:13:47 PM

Gallup:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

Approve:  45%

Disapprove:  49%

Unchanged from yesterday.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 05, 2012, 11:12:10 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  43%, -1.

There does appear to be slight erosion since the beginning of July.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 05, 2012, 11:32:09 PM


Gallup:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

Approve:  45%

Disapprove:  47% -1



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 06, 2012, 08:56:37 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, +2.

Disapprove 50%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, -2.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 07, 2012, 09:38:18 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, +1.

Disapprove 50%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 08, 2012, 08:50:52 AM
Yesterday's Gallup:

Gallup:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

Approve:  47%  u

Disapprove:  47% u




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 08, 2012, 08:56:28 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, u.

Disapprove 50%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 09, 2012, 07:36:56 AM
Gallup still tied at 47%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 09, 2012, 09:15:51 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, -3.

Disapprove 53%, +3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, +2.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 09, 2012, 09:18:28 PM


Gallup:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

Approve:  46% -1

Disapprove:  48% +1




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Politico on August 09, 2012, 10:34:22 PM
I drink my OJ and JJ every morning for breakfast.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: SUSAN CRUSHBONE on August 10, 2012, 04:29:55 AM
I drink my OJ and JJ every morning for breakfast.
Too much information, Politico.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 10, 2012, 12:59:14 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, -1.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, u.

There is a fair chance there is is a bad sample in the mix.  If not we're seeing increased volatility.

I drink my OJ and JJ every morning for breakfast.

You would have had a late breakfast yesterday.  :)




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 10, 2012, 03:30:38 PM


Gallup:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

Approve:  43% -3

Disapprove:  51% +3


Two bad samples?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 11, 2012, 09:29:29 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 43%, -2.

Disapprove 54%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  44%, +2.

I still think it is a bad sample, but Obama should be up tomorrow or Monday if it is.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on August 11, 2012, 09:32:10 AM
Probably a bad sample, but it's starting to look a bit like people are legitimately percieving Obama's tactics as mean. Especially the cancer ad.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 11, 2012, 12:51:12 PM


Gallup:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

Approve:  43% u

Disapprove:  50% -1

I'm still betting on a bad sample.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on August 11, 2012, 01:39:08 PM
It's not so much "bad samples" as it is the fact that Gallup and Rasmussen aren't very good polling firms.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 11, 2012, 04:09:00 PM
It's not so much "bad samples" as it is the fact that Gallup and Rasmussen aren't very good polling firms.

Gallup tends to be better at the end and Rasmussen has been pretty good overall.  That is darn close to saying, "Don't look at the polls."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on August 11, 2012, 04:30:48 PM
Yes, don't look at the polls that regularly have gigantic swings for no reason from week to week. Because that means they're probably bad polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 11, 2012, 06:34:00 PM
Yes, don't look at the polls that regularly have gigantic swings for no reason from week to week. Because that means they're probably bad polls.

It is unusual for both to be showing the same trend, i.e. two that show Obama down significantly.  It is about a 400 to 1 shot.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 12, 2012, 08:41:48 AM
With the 1st of 3 days in after the Ryan pick @ Rasmussen, Obama actually gaining because a bad sample is moving out:

45-53 Disapprove (+2, -1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 12, 2012, 11:44:08 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, +2.

Disapprove 53%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  43%, -1.

Or maybe not a bad sample?



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 12, 2012, 03:51:22 PM



Gallup:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

Approve:  43% u

Disapprove:  50% u


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 12, 2012, 11:36:20 PM
Let us not forget that Gallup was the company who predicted a GOP+17 win in the Congressional ballot in their final poll ahead of the 2010 elections. The GOP won by 6 (50-44).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 13, 2012, 08:42:48 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 45%, u.

Disapprove 53%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  44%, +1.

Not a bad sample.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 13, 2012, 01:38:11 PM

Gallup:  http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

Approve:  45% +2

Disapprove:  48% -2



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 14, 2012, 08:52:40 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, +3.

Disapprove 52%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  43%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 14, 2012, 01:39:56 PM
Gallup daily tracker

Disapprove: 49% (+1)
Approve: 45% (u)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on August 14, 2012, 02:39:25 PM
Obama's approvals are just as static as Bush's were in 2004.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 14, 2012, 05:51:46 PM
Obama's approvals are just as static as Bush's were in 2004.

Actually, G W Bush had hit his low in early May 2008 and was improving by this point.  He was at 52%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 15, 2012, 10:42:15 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, -1.

Disapprove 52%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  43%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 15, 2012, 03:14:31 PM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 45% (u)

Disapprove: 49% (u)



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 16, 2012, 08:46:17 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, +1.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, -1.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 16, 2012, 12:54:44 PM
Gallup

Disapprove 50% (+1)

Approve 44% (-1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 17, 2012, 08:56:55 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 51%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, u.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 17, 2012, 02:56:20 PM


http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 44% (u)

Disapprove: 50% (u)




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Politico on August 17, 2012, 04:18:17 PM



http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 50% (u)

Disapprove: 44% (u)




Needs an edit, boss.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 17, 2012, 05:05:13 PM



http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 50% (u)

Disapprove: 44% (u)




Needs an edit, boss.

Got it.  :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 18, 2012, 09:12:32 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, -1.

Disapprove 51%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 18, 2012, 03:19:41 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 45% (+1)

Disapprove: 49% (-1)




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 19, 2012, 11:00:43 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, +1.

Disapprove 51%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, -1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 19, 2012, 07:59:40 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 47% (+2)

Disapprove: 47% (+2)



All tied up!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 20, 2012, 09:00:38 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, +1.

Disapprove 49%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  39%, -1.

All tied up, and the lowest Strongly Disapprove number since July.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 20, 2012, 12:49:21 PM


http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 47% u

Disapprove: 47% u



All tied up!  Day 2.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 21, 2012, 08:38:11 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, u.

Disapprove 50%, =1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 21, 2012, 02:21:32 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 45% -2

Disapprove: 48% +1




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 22, 2012, 08:51:52 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, -1.

Disapprove 51%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, +2.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 22, 2012, 05:50:25 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 46% +1

Disapprove: 49% +1





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 23, 2012, 08:40:47 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 51%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 23%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, u.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 23, 2012, 03:55:00 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 47% +1

Disapprove: 47% -2

47 Love.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 24, 2012, 09:02:51 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 51%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 24%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, -1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 24, 2012, 01:11:14 PM


http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 47% u

Disapprove: 47% u

All tied up, again.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 25, 2012, 09:35:40 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 25, 2012, 02:23:57 PM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 46% +1

Disapprove: 47% u



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 26, 2012, 08:51:46 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, +1.

Disapprove 50%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 26, 2012, 12:22:57 PM

Approve: 45% -1

Disapprove: 48% +1



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 27, 2012, 08:44:48 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, +1.

Disapprove 49%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, -1.

First time Obama has been in positive territory since July 7.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 27, 2012, 12:36:23 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 45% u

Disapprove: 47% -1

Gallup is weird.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: sarah717 on August 27, 2012, 01:55:53 PM
None of this matters.  Elections are not decided based on national approval ratings or national popular votes.  It is only electoral votes that matters and given current polling in the 12 states that matter, Romney has only a 16% chance of getting enough electoral votes to win.  NerdWallet's presidential election statistics page does the math very clearly: Romney has 181 safe votes & Obama has 201 so Romney needs 89 of 156 that are left and probably can't get them.  Approval ratings do not matter.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 5280 on August 27, 2012, 02:00:04 PM
None of this matters.  Elections are not decided based on national approval ratings or national popular votes.  It is only electoral votes that matters and given current polling in the 12 states that matter, Romney has only a 16% chance of getting enough electoral votes to win.  NerdWallet's presidential election statistics page does the math very clearly: Romney has 181 safe votes & Obama has 201 so Romney needs 89 of 156 that are left and probably can't get them.  Approval ratings do not matter.
Welcome to the forums!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 27, 2012, 06:21:39 PM
None of this matters.  Elections are not decided based on national approval ratings or national popular votes.  It is only electoral votes that matters and given current polling in the 12 states that matter, Romney has only a 16% chance of getting enough electoral votes to win.  NerdWallet's presidential election statistics page does the math very clearly: Romney has 181 safe votes & Obama has 201 so Romney needs 89 of 156 that are left and probably can't get them.  Approval ratings do not matter.

They become less important closer to the election, but they are still a good historical measure.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 28, 2012, 09:06:10 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, u.

Disapprove 49%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 28, 2012, 06:29:09 PM


http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 43% -2

Disapprove: 48% +1

Gallup is still weird.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Biden is your president. Deal with it. on August 29, 2012, 03:31:25 AM
If Obama gets reelected how will his approval ratings look on the day of his 2nd swearing in?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 29, 2012, 08:52:36 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, u.

Disapprove 50%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, u.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 29, 2012, 08:55:33 AM
If Obama gets reelected how will his approval ratings look on the day of his 2nd swearing in?

Probably, again for historical comparisons, and if Rasmussen still publishes them.

If Romney is elected, I expect the a new thread on him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 29, 2012, 10:37:01 AM
If Obama gets reelected how will his approval ratings look on the day of his 2nd swearing in?

Probably, again for historical comparisons, and if Rasmussen still publishes them.

If Romney is elected, I expect the a new thread on him.

Feels weird that i've followed this thread religiously for nearly 4 years now.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 29, 2012, 12:19:27 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 43% u

Disapprove: 47% -1

It looks like the approve number has dropped over the past week, even if this is a bad sample.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 30, 2012, 01:51:29 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 44% +1

Disapprove: 47% u



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 31, 2012, 08:53:33 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, u.

Disapprove 51%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  39%, u.

Missed yesterday.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 31, 2012, 12:10:41 PM


http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 45% +1

Disapprove: 46% -1



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on August 31, 2012, 04:52:22 PM
How long until we expect to see any convention bump? Was there any?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on August 31, 2012, 05:30:49 PM
How long until we expect to see any convention bump? Was there any?

Probably not until mid week.  It's a holiday weekend, so I don't know if the 'bots will be calling.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The Vorlon on August 31, 2012, 08:59:26 PM
How long until we expect to see any convention bump? Was there any?

Probably not until mid week.  It's a holiday weekend, so I don't know if the 'bots will be calling.

Long weekend polling is always a bit of a "funky" matter, Even if the 'Bots are going full bore, not quite sure I trust what they generate anyway....



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 01, 2012, 08:46:26 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, -1.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, +1.

It could be random, or beginning to catch a bounce.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 01, 2012, 10:39:03 AM
Romney should be at the height of his convention bounce this weekend:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 01, 2012, 12:14:10 PM


http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 45% u

Disapprove: 46% u




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 02, 2012, 10:27:05 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, +1.

Random, though the horse race poll is capturing a bounce.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 02, 2012, 12:02:56 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 43% -2

Disapprove: 48% +2



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 03, 2012, 08:53:10 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  43%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 03, 2012, 01:26:19 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 45% +2

Disapprove: 48% u




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 04, 2012, 08:44:37 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 51%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, -1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: sentinel on September 04, 2012, 02:50:12 PM
gallup is saying that Romney didn't get a bounce at all
http://www.gallup.com/poll/157262/romney-gets-no-bounce-last-week-gop-convention.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 04, 2012, 08:53:08 PM
gallup is saying that Romney didn't get a bounce at all
http://www.gallup.com/poll/157262/romney-gets-no-bounce-last-week-gop-convention.aspx

I'd still like to wait a day or so for Gallup.  It's tracking poll showed a slump for Obama in terms of approval. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Hoverbored123 on September 05, 2012, 01:18:28 AM
I expect whatever "bounce" the candidates get from the Conventions will disappear long before Election Day.  This can be explained by regression toward the mean: any sudden shift in the polls away from the general pattern will tend to correct itself over time.  Also, according to the CU professors' report, the location of the party's National Convention has no significant effect on which way an individual state votes.  So not only will the DNC not have any effect on the nationwide vote, it won't help Obama in Colorado either. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 05, 2012, 09:48:28 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, -1.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  43%, +1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 05, 2012, 01:11:27 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 47% +2

Disapprove: 47% -1



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 05, 2012, 01:18:46 PM
The convention bounce has begun!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 05, 2012, 01:33:08 PM

Actually, if you would have read the numbers, you would have seen a 2-3 point slump for Obama on this poll.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Beet on September 05, 2012, 07:34:54 PM

Actually, if you would have read the numbers, you would have seen a 2-3 point slump for Obama on this poll.

Where does Gallup post the single day results?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 05, 2012, 07:39:29 PM

Actually, if you would have read the numbers, you would have seen a 2-3 point slump for Obama on this poll.

Where does Gallup post the single day results?

They don't, so far as I can tell.

This wasn't Romney gaining, however.  It was Obama sinking (and he recovered most of it).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Beet on September 05, 2012, 07:42:39 PM

Actually, if you would have read the numbers, you would have seen a 2-3 point slump for Obama on this poll.

Where does Gallup post the single day results?

They don't, so far as I can tell.

This wasn't Romney gaining, however.  It was Obama sinking (and he recovered most of it).

I have no idea what you're even talking about any more.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 05, 2012, 07:45:31 PM
You're not the only one.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 05, 2012, 08:25:17 PM

Actually, if you would have read the numbers, you would have seen a 2-3 point slump for Obama on this poll.

Where does Gallup post the single day results?

They don't, so far as I can tell.

This wasn't Romney gaining, however.  It was Obama sinking (and he recovered most of it).

I have no idea what you're even talking about any more.

Beet, this not a horse race poll.  It is a favorable/unfavorable poll.  Obama's approval numbers dropped, on this poll, when the pre-convention started dropping out.  It did start to recover this week, when there was some distance from the RNC.  He's nearly recovered from it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 06, 2012, 09:09:48 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 46%, -1.

Disapprove 54%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 25%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  44%, +1.


It could just be a bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 06, 2012, 09:37:02 AM
Gallup's weekly approval for Obama is 44%, which is the lowest since the second week of December 2011.  I suspect that this was due to the RNC and he will recover during this week.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yank2133 on September 06, 2012, 12:02:02 PM
Gallup

Approve- 49%
Disapprove-45%



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 06, 2012, 12:14:34 PM
That's +2 approval and -2 disapproval from yesterday.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 06, 2012, 12:25:42 PM


http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 49% +2

Disapprove: 45% -2

RNC bounce dropping out or a bad sample?




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 07, 2012, 09:20:42 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 47%, +1.

Disapprove 52%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 27%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  44%, u.


My guess is a bad sample dropped.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yank2133 on September 07, 2012, 12:02:27 PM
Gallup

Approve-52
Disapprove-43

Bill Clinton putting in work........


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Likely Voter on September 07, 2012, 12:56:34 PM
when was the last time Obama's Gallup was over 50?  Not since OBL dead in May 2011?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: 後援会 on September 07, 2012, 01:39:16 PM
Fun fact: George W. Bush's approval among adults also hit 52% after the 2004 Republican National Convention.

Caveat: "Adults" is a group more Democrat-leaning than registered voters, which is more Democrat-leaning than likely voters.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 07, 2012, 01:40:18 PM
The convention bump, IT HAS BEGUN!

As far as I can tell this is the highest Gallup has had him since he got that bump from killing Osama bin Laden.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Likely Voter on September 07, 2012, 02:22:43 PM
I looked it up and Obama hasn't been at 52 since OBL dead, however there were two days in 2011 where he hit 51. He hasnt been over 50 for a sustained period since May 2011 so if this sticks, it will be significant


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Warren 4 Secretary of Everything on September 07, 2012, 02:34:31 PM
I looked it up and Obama hasn't been at 52 since OBL dead, however there were two days in 2011 where he hit 51. He hasnt been over 50 for a sustained period since May 2011 so if this sticks, it will be significant
June 24th 2012.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Likely Voter on September 07, 2012, 02:44:07 PM
sorry I mean two days in 2012 where he hit 51 for one day: May 3rd and June 24th.

Essentially starting in the summer of 2010 he has been in the 40s except for two periods where he had sustained 50+ rating: the lame duck session where they actually got some stuff done in late 2010 and Killing OBL in May 2011. Since then he has been stuck in the 40s for the most part.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 07, 2012, 04:35:13 PM
The convention bump, IT HAS BEGUN!

As far as I can tell this is the highest Gallup has had him since he got that bump from killing Osama bin Laden.

Or a bad sample.

I'd prefer to wait 2-3 more days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 07, 2012, 04:37:26 PM
It was a +1/-1 shift in the horse race numbers today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: memphis on September 07, 2012, 07:33:20 PM
Because Gallup uses a rolling sample, the convention boom hasn't even fully kicked in yet. This could be huge.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 07, 2012, 08:18:37 PM
Because Gallup uses a rolling sample, the convention boom hasn't even fully kicked in yet. This could be huge.

That is why I'm saying to wait for a few days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 08, 2012, 01:38:01 PM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, +2.

Disapprove 50%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  44%, u.


This looks like the bump.  The strongly approve number is the highest it has been since 1/31/11.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 08, 2012, 01:40:38 PM


http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 52% u

Disapprove: 43% -1


Could someone get both of these on Monday and Tuesday?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: BlueSwan on September 09, 2012, 05:17:18 AM
Decent bump so far. Imagine if the jobs report had been the initially reported 200k+ figure?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 09, 2012, 09:19:16 AM




Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 52%, +2.

Disapprove 47%, -3.

"Strongly Approve" is at 32%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, -1.

Definite bounce, and it might be higher tomorrow.

(And could somebody else get Monday and Tuesday's numbers.)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: memphis on September 09, 2012, 11:48:14 AM
Something is seriously wrong with the American public when a pep rally gives a bigger boost than capturing Osama bin Laden. That said, I'll take it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Franzl on September 09, 2012, 11:52:11 AM
Something is seriously wrong with the American public when a pep rally gives a bigger boost than capturing Osama bin Laden. That said, I'll take it.

On the other hand. Not that I think voters are that bright, but in reality, what Clinton explained to the voters is more important for their everyday lives than capturing Osama Bin Laden.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Earthling on September 09, 2012, 12:05:32 PM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 50% (-2)

Disapprove: 44% (+2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: CultureKing on September 09, 2012, 12:14:10 PM
Awww.. I guess that's why they call it a bounce.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 09, 2012, 12:23:37 PM
This is a three day average, and they still have one pre-speech sample.  Keep you power dry folks.  We won't know until Tuesday (and I won't be available) or Wednesday on this one.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 10, 2012, 08:47:41 AM




Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 52%, u.

Disapprove 47%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 32%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, -1.

The bounce has probably peaked at 5 points.

Could someone else get the numbers until Wednesday?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Warren 4 Secretary of Everything on September 10, 2012, 02:26:35 PM




Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 52%, u.

Disapprove 47%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 32%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, -1.

The bounce has probably peaked at 5 points.

Could someone else get the numbers until Wednesday?
I got you J.J


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on September 10, 2012, 05:37:18 PM
They should have Bill Clinton speak on national TV every week.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on September 10, 2012, 10:32:04 PM
They should have Bill Clinton speak on national TV every week.

Yeah, just buy air time for 30 minutes each week in the swing states and let Clinton explain sh**t.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Earthling on September 11, 2012, 09:53:31 AM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 52%, (NC)

Disapprove 47%, (NC)

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, -1.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yank2133 on September 11, 2012, 12:04:29 PM
Gallup

Approval-50 (NC)
Disapprove-43(-1)

Election

Obama-50(+1)
Romney-44(NC)

Obamamentum continues.......


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President von Cat on September 11, 2012, 11:06:54 PM
Undoubtedly it is good news for the president if he is hitting 52% approval with less than two months to go until the election. His disapproval ratings, at around 46%-47%, seems to be roughly consistent with Mitt Romney's ceiling.

Just to compare with previous one termers, this close to their re-election:

President George HW Bush: 39% approve (September 10-14, 1992)
Jimmy Carter: 37% approve (September 11-14, 1980)

I know that we are still seeing Obama's approval bounce following the convention, but he is clearly on a totally different trajectory than the last two presidents who lost re-election.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 12, 2012, 12:18:41 AM
Obama nearing 50% approval on RCP:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

Currently 49.6-47.2


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 12, 2012, 08:45:10 AM




Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 51%, -1.

Disapprove 48%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, u.

It's probably the bounce moving out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yank2133 on September 12, 2012, 12:05:28 PM
Gallup

Approval-51(+1)
Disapprove-42(-1)

Election

Obama-50(NC)
Romney-43(-1)

Obamamentum continues.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Earthling on September 12, 2012, 02:41:42 PM
Ipsos/Reuters:

Approve: 50% (+1)

Disapprove: 46% (-2)

Presidential poll stays the same: Obama 49% - 46% Romney


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on September 12, 2012, 07:16:38 PM
Wow, this is just... an avalanche. This time 4 years ago, Obama needed an economic catastrophe for numbers this good!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 13, 2012, 08:48:46 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, -2.

Disapprove 51%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, +1.

Wow, Bain, it is avalanche, in reverse, or it's just the bounce dropping out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on September 13, 2012, 08:56:07 AM
Does Rasmussen still have a R+4 sample?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Earthling on September 13, 2012, 08:57:12 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, -2.

Disapprove 51%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, +1.

Wow, Bain, it is avalanche, in reverse, or it's just the bounce dropping out.

Or just a bad sample. Or just old Rasmussen doing his thing again.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 13, 2012, 11:23:18 AM

It really makes no difference, since we are looking at changes in the same poll across time.  Any bias will be in a "good" Obama sample verses a "bad" Obama sample. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 13, 2012, 01:05:57 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 49%, -2

Disapprove: 42%, u

It is probably the bounce beginning to drop out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 14, 2012, 09:00:03 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 52%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, +1.

I'd be waiting for Gallup to see it the "avalanche" is still rolling uphill



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: SUSAN CRUSHBONE on September 14, 2012, 09:08:48 AM

It really makes no difference, since we are looking at changes in the same poll across time.  Any bias will be in a "good" Obama sample verses a "bad" Obama sample. 
IIRC, their September sample is R+4 while their previous samples were reasonable.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 14, 2012, 03:54:23 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 49%,

Disapprove: 43%, +1



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 14, 2012, 03:55:52 PM

It really makes no difference, since we are looking at changes in the same poll across time.  Any bias will be in a "good" Obama sample verses a "bad" Obama sample. 
IIRC, their September sample is R+4 while their previous samples were reasonable.

Again, it should not make a difference internally to the polls.  I'm also not sure about any +4.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 14, 2012, 04:14:25 PM


http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 49%, -2

Disapprove: 43%, +1



No, his approval was 49% yesterday.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 14, 2012, 08:42:10 PM


http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 49%, -2

Disapprove: 43%, +1



Thanks, I fixed it.

No, his approval was 49% yesterday.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 15, 2012, 08:41:01 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, +1

Disapprove 50%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, u.

The uphill avalanche might have stopped as well.

(I'll be photographing a parade this afternoon, so could someone else get Gallup's numbers.)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Warren 4 Secretary of Everything on September 15, 2012, 01:02:41 PM
Gallup Polling
Approval 49%, NC

Disapproval 45%, +2


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 15, 2012, 02:44:00 PM

Thank you!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 16, 2012, 10:34:33 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, +1

Disapprove 49%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, u.

That is close.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 16, 2012, 12:05:36 PM


http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 50%, +1


Disapprove: 44%, -1



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 16, 2012, 12:29:13 PM
50% in both tracking polls, not bad.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on September 16, 2012, 03:32:55 PM
I guess we have to see over the next few days if it sticks. If it does, Romney is in huge trouble.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 16, 2012, 05:35:47 PM
50% in both tracking polls, not bad.

Actually, it is not great.  This is about 7-10 days after the DNC and there was no holding of the bounce.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 16, 2012, 06:34:01 PM
^^lol

Anyway, your election rules already say that Romney has lost, so I don't know why we even need this thread anymore.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 16, 2012, 07:22:31 PM
^^lol

Anyway, your election rules already say that Romney has lost, so I don't know why we even need this thread anymore.

The corollary to J. J.'s First Rule is:  Never trust just one poll.  Trust several and remember that the electorate changes its mind quickly.

I'm looking at trending.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Niemeyerite on September 16, 2012, 07:25:51 PM
^^lol

Anyway, your election rules already say that Romney has lost, so I don't know why we even need this thread anymore.

The corollary to J. J.'s First Rule is:  Never trust just one poll.  Trust several and remember that the electorate changes its mind quickly.

I'm looking at trending.

Every poll has Obama leading.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 16, 2012, 07:40:46 PM
^^lol

Anyway, your election rules already say that Romney has lost, so I don't know why we even need this thread anymore.

The corollary to J. J.'s First Rule is:  Never trust just one poll.  Trust several and remember that the electorate changes its mind quickly.

I'm looking at trending.

Oh so the rule doesn't count if the candidate you support says he doesn't look at/trust the polls. Gotcha.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on September 16, 2012, 09:40:13 PM
Sorry J.J., but all I'm objectively seeing in the approval ratings and polls is a decent bounce that has only slightly eroded. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on September 16, 2012, 11:06:34 PM
lol JJ


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 17, 2012, 09:01:55 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, -1

Disapprove 50%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  43%, +1.

That is close.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 17, 2012, 09:05:55 AM
^^lol

Anyway, your election rules already say that Romney has lost, so I don't know why we even need this thread anymore.

The corollary to J. J.'s First Rule is:  Never trust just one poll.  Trust several and remember that the electorate changes its mind quickly.

I'm looking at trending.

Oh so the rule doesn't count if the candidate you support says he doesn't look at/trust the polls. Gotcha.

Well, by using the standard you used yesterday, Romney just won.  ::)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 17, 2012, 01:06:18 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 50%, u


Disapprove: 44%, u




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on September 17, 2012, 01:12:20 PM
^^lol

Anyway, your election rules already say that Romney has lost, so I don't know why we even need this thread anymore.

The corollary to J. J.'s First Rule is:  Never trust just one poll.  Trust several and remember that the electorate changes its mind quickly.

I'm looking at trending.

Oh so the rule doesn't count if the candidate you support says he doesn't look at/trust the polls. Gotcha.

Well, by using the standard you used yesterday, Romney just won.  ::)

J. J., your first rule of elections is that if a candidate and his campaign talk about not paying attention to the polls, then that candidate will lose.  The Romney campaign released a press release saying not to worry about the latest polls--not one poll, not two specific polls, all of the polls.  It then went on detail while polls are not accurate or useful or mean that an election is over.

If Obama had released as statement saying this, what would your response be?



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: SUSAN CRUSHBONE on September 17, 2012, 01:20:56 PM
^^lol

Anyway, your election rules already say that Romney has lost, so I don't know why we even need this thread anymore.

The corollary to J. J.'s First Rule is:  Never trust just one poll.  Trust several and remember that the electorate changes its mind quickly.

I'm looking at trending.

Oh so the rule doesn't count if the candidate you support says he doesn't look at/trust the polls. Gotcha.

Well, by using the standard you used yesterday, Romney just won.  ::)

J. J., your first rule of elections is that if a candidate and his campaign talk about not paying attention to the polls, then that candidate will lose.  The Romney campaign released a press release saying not to worry about the latest polls--not one poll, not two specific polls, all of the polls.  It then went on detail while polls are not accurate or useful or mean that an election is over.

If Obama had released as statement saying this, what would your response be?



Not just the campaign, Mitt Romney himself:

Related:

Quote from: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/exclusive-romney-on-debates-obama-will-say-things-that-arent-true/
Romney said he wasn’t concerned about new polls showing him trailing in Virginia and Ohio — even though it’s virtually impossible for him to get the 270 electoral votes he needs without victories in those two states.
“Well, I’m ahead in a lot of other states, too. I saw one this morning, ahead in Florida, ahead in North Carolina. Gosh, we’re even tied in Wisconsin,” Romney told me. “These polls are going to bounce around a lot. I don’t pay a lot of attention day to day to which state’s up and which one’s down. But I believe that when the final decisions are being made by the American people, they’re going to ask themselves, “Who do I have confidence in to keep America safe? And who do I believe can get our economy doing what it needs to do?”

Hey J. J.!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on September 17, 2012, 01:37:49 PM
Yeah, that too.  I don't understand how J. J. is spinning this.  He brought up to Lief "don't look at one poll" as an excuse but that seems like a non sequitur to me.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 17, 2012, 05:48:43 PM
^^lol

Anyway, your election rules already say that Romney has lost, so I don't know why we even need this thread anymore.

The corollary to J. J.'s First Rule is:  Never trust just one poll.  Trust several and remember that the electorate changes its mind quickly.

I'm looking at trending.

Oh so the rule doesn't count if the candidate you support says he doesn't look at/trust the polls. Gotcha.

Well, by using the standard you used yesterday, Romney just won.  ::)

J. J., your first rule of elections is that if a candidate and his campaign talk about not paying attention to the polls, then that candidate will lose.  The Romney campaign released a press release saying not to worry about the latest polls--not one poll, not two specific polls, all of the polls.  It then went on detail while polls are not accurate or useful or mean that an election is over.

If Obama had released as statement saying this, what would your response be?



Not just the campaign, Mitt Romney himself:

Related:

Quote from: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/exclusive-romney-on-debates-obama-will-say-things-that-arent-true/
Romney said he wasn’t concerned about new polls showing him trailing in Virginia and Ohio — even though it’s virtually impossible for him to get the 270 electoral votes he needs without victories in those two states.
“Well, I’m ahead in a lot of other states, too. I saw one this morning, ahead in Florida, ahead in North Carolina. Gosh, we’re even tied in Wisconsin,” Romney told me. “These polls are going to bounce around a lot. I don’t pay a lot of attention day to day to which state’s up and which one’s down. But I believe that when the final decisions are being made by the American people, they’re going to ask themselves, “Who do I have confidence in to keep America safe? And who do I believe can get our economy doing what it needs to do?”

Hey J. J.!

Well, first of all, Romney is looking at the polls.  Secondly, he is noting that they do change over time.  It doesn't violate the rule, at all.  Sorry if you can't understand that. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 18, 2012, 08:41:58 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, u.

Disapprove 50%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  43%, u.

That is close and unmoving.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: SUSAN CRUSHBONE on September 18, 2012, 08:47:34 AM
^^lol

Anyway, your election rules already say that Romney has lost, so I don't know why we even need this thread anymore.

The corollary to J. J.'s First Rule is:  Never trust just one poll.  Trust several and remember that the electorate changes its mind quickly.

I'm looking at trending.

Oh so the rule doesn't count if the candidate you support says he doesn't look at/trust the polls. Gotcha.

Well, by using the standard you used yesterday, Romney just won.  ::)

J. J., your first rule of elections is that if a candidate and his campaign talk about not paying attention to the polls, then that candidate will lose.  The Romney campaign released a press release saying not to worry about the latest polls--not one poll, not two specific polls, all of the polls.  It then went on detail while polls are not accurate or useful or mean that an election is over.

If Obama had released as statement saying this, what would your response be?



Not just the campaign, Mitt Romney himself:

Related:

Quote from: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/exclusive-romney-on-debates-obama-will-say-things-that-arent-true/
Romney said he wasn’t concerned about new polls showing him trailing in Virginia and Ohio — even though it’s virtually impossible for him to get the 270 electoral votes he needs without victories in those two states.
“Well, I’m ahead in a lot of other states, too. I saw one this morning, ahead in Florida, ahead in North Carolina. Gosh, we’re even tied in Wisconsin,” Romney told me. “These polls are going to bounce around a lot. I don’t pay a lot of attention day to day to which state’s up and which one’s down. But I believe that when the final decisions are being made by the American people, they’re going to ask themselves, “Who do I have confidence in to keep America safe? And who do I believe can get our economy doing what it needs to do?”

Hey J. J.!

Well, first of all, Romney is looking at the polls.  Secondly, he is noting that they do change over time.  It doesn't violate the rule, at all.  Sorry if you can't understand that.  

He's not looking at the polls in Virginia and Ohio -- and whoever wins Virginia and Ohio wins the election.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 18, 2012, 08:56:08 AM
^^lol

Anyway, your election rules already say that Romney has lost, so I don't know why we even need this thread anymore.

The corollary to J. J.'s First Rule is:  Never trust just one poll.  Trust several and remember that the electorate changes its mind quickly.

I'm looking at trending.

Oh so the rule doesn't count if the candidate you support says he doesn't look at/trust the polls. Gotcha.

Well, by using the standard you used yesterday, Romney just won.  ::)

J. J., your first rule of elections is that if a candidate and his campaign talk about not paying attention to the polls, then that candidate will lose.  The Romney campaign released a press release saying not to worry about the latest polls--not one poll, not two specific polls, all of the polls.  It then went on detail while polls are not accurate or useful or mean that an election is over.

If Obama had released as statement saying this, what would your response be?



Not just the campaign, Mitt Romney himself:

Related:

Quote from: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/exclusive-romney-on-debates-obama-will-say-things-that-arent-true/
Romney said he wasn’t concerned about new polls showing him trailing in Virginia and Ohio — even though it’s virtually impossible for him to get the 270 electoral votes he needs without victories in those two states.
“Well, I’m ahead in a lot of other states, too. I saw one this morning, ahead in Florida, ahead in North Carolina. Gosh, we’re even tied in Wisconsin,” Romney told me. “These polls are going to bounce around a lot. I don’t pay a lot of attention day to day to which state’s up and which one’s down. But I believe that when the final decisions are being made by the American people, they’re going to ask themselves, “Who do I have confidence in to keep America safe? And who do I believe can get our economy doing what it needs to do?”

Hey J. J.!

Well, first of all, Romney is looking at the polls.  Secondly, he is noting that they do change over time.  It doesn't violate the rule, at all.  Sorry if you can't understand that.  

He's not looking at the polls in Virginia and Ohio -- and whoever wins Virginia and Ohio wins the election.

Your statement is wrong on both levels.  First the polling in OH and VA is close; both are on my tossup list.  Second, I did come up with a few scenarios where Obama wins both, but loses the election.

Here is one:

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It is not pretty, but it produces 270 EV's.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: SUSAN CRUSHBONE on September 18, 2012, 09:13:34 AM
^^lol

Anyway, your election rules already say that Romney has lost, so I don't know why we even need this thread anymore.

The corollary to J. J.'s First Rule is:  Never trust just one poll.  Trust several and remember that the electorate changes its mind quickly.

I'm looking at trending.

Oh so the rule doesn't count if the candidate you support says he doesn't look at/trust the polls. Gotcha.

Well, by using the standard you used yesterday, Romney just won.  ::)

J. J., your first rule of elections is that if a candidate and his campaign talk about not paying attention to the polls, then that candidate will lose.  The Romney campaign released a press release saying not to worry about the latest polls--not one poll, not two specific polls, all of the polls.  It then went on detail while polls are not accurate or useful or mean that an election is over.

If Obama had released as statement saying this, what would your response be?



Not just the campaign, Mitt Romney himself:

Related:

Quote from: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/exclusive-romney-on-debates-obama-will-say-things-that-arent-true/
Romney said he wasn’t concerned about new polls showing him trailing in Virginia and Ohio — even though it’s virtually impossible for him to get the 270 electoral votes he needs without victories in those two states.
“Well, I’m ahead in a lot of other states, too. I saw one this morning, ahead in Florida, ahead in North Carolina. Gosh, we’re even tied in Wisconsin,” Romney told me. “These polls are going to bounce around a lot. I don’t pay a lot of attention day to day to which state’s up and which one’s down. But I believe that when the final decisions are being made by the American people, they’re going to ask themselves, “Who do I have confidence in to keep America safe? And who do I believe can get our economy doing what it needs to do?”

Hey J. J.!

Well, first of all, Romney is looking at the polls.  Secondly, he is noting that they do change over time.  It doesn't violate the rule, at all.  Sorry if you can't understand that. 

He's not looking at the polls in Virginia and Ohio -- and whoever wins Virginia and Ohio wins the election.

Your statement is wrong on both levels.  First the polling in OH and VA is close; both are on my tossup list.  Second, I did come up with a few scenarios where Obama wins both, but loses the election.

Here is one:

(
)

It is not pretty, but it produces 270 EV's.

That's not just not a likely map, it's not a possible map.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on September 18, 2012, 12:21:33 PM
Your statement is wrong on both levels.  First the polling in OH and VA is close; both are on my tossup list.  Second, I did come up with a few scenarios where Obama wins both, but loses the election.

Here is one:

(
)

It is not pretty, but it produces 270 EV's.

That's not just not a likely map, it's not a possible map.

Yeah, there's no way with the current polling that if Obama gets Ohio and Virginia that he doesn't also get at least one of the other swing states.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 18, 2012, 12:31:23 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 49%, -1


Disapprove: 45%, +1



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 18, 2012, 12:38:46 PM
Your statement is wrong on both levels.  First the polling in OH and VA is close; both are on my tossup list.  Second, I did come up with a few scenarios where Obama wins both, but loses the election.

Here is one:

(
)

It is not pretty, but it produces 270 EV's.

That's not just not a likely map, it's not a possible map.

Yeah, there's no way with the current polling that if Obama gets Ohio and Virginia that he doesn't also get at least one of the other swing states.

Today, Obama's lead increased in VA, according to the WP.  Romney pulled into the lead in CO, according to Rasmussen.

I could very easily see something along those lines happening.  Note that I didn't put MI in the Romney column, but that remains a possibility.  His numbers have improved, even within the same poll, there.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: SUSAN CRUSHBONE on September 18, 2012, 12:51:59 PM
Your statement is wrong on both levels.  First the polling in OH and VA is close; both are on my tossup list.  Second, I did come up with a few scenarios where Obama wins both, but loses the election.

Here is one:

(
)

It is not pretty, but it produces 270 EV's.

That's not just not a likely map, it's not a possible map.

Yeah, there's no way with the current polling that if Obama gets Ohio and Virginia that he doesn't also get at least one of the other swing states.

Today, Obama's lead increased in VA, according to the WP.  Romney pulled into the lead in CO, according to Rasmussen.

I could very easily see something along those lines happening.

Yes. The kind of voters that desert Romney in Virginia and Ohio are definitely going to stay with him in Colorado, Iowa, Florida, etc.

Note that I didn't put MI in the Romney column, but that remains a possibility. 

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His numbers have improved, even within the same poll, there.

Which poll are you talking about, specifically?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 18, 2012, 01:09:48 PM


Which poll are you talking about, specifically?

PPP.  In July, Obama had a 14 point lead; two weeks ago, it was down to 7.  Some of the lesser ones, newspapers, local pollsters, are putting it closer. Only EPIC has shown an increase off of a 3 point lead.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: SUSAN CRUSHBONE on September 18, 2012, 01:13:02 PM


Which poll are you talking about, specifically?

PPP.  In July, Obama had a 14 point lead; two weeks ago, it was down to 7.  Some of the lesser ones, newspapers, local pollsters, are putting it closer. Only EPIC has shown an increase off of a 3 point lead.
A 7-point lead doesn't make Michigan a "possibility" for Romney. And considering Michigan-only-pollsters' ludicrous bias, you can't count FMW's latest nonsense.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 18, 2012, 06:15:59 PM


Which poll are you talking about, specifically?

PPP.  In July, Obama had a 14 point lead; two weeks ago, it was down to 7.  Some of the lesser ones, newspapers, local pollsters, are putting it closer. Only EPIC has shown an increase off of a 3 point lead.
A 7-point lead doesn't make Michigan a "possibility" for Romney. And considering Michigan-only-pollsters' ludicrous bias, you can't count FMW's latest nonsense.

As I indicated, I did not include it. 

However, a drop of 7 points in 8 weeks on a slightly Democratic poll is significant.  Some of the lesser ones are showing it closer.  One of the superpacs just made an $800 K ad buy in MI.  On top of that, there does appear to be trending toward Romney in the region, with OH static, and Obama's only strong state being IL.  That isn't enough to start calling it a tossup or blue, but it certainly is a light shade of red.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 19, 2012, 09:08:13 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, u.

Disapprove 50%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, -1.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 19, 2012, 01:18:50 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 48%, -1


Disapprove: 46%, +1




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 19, 2012, 01:35:35 PM
The new Pew poll looks likely to push Obama over the 50% approval barrier at RCP.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: mondale84 on September 19, 2012, 02:05:47 PM
The new Pew poll looks likely to push Obama over the 50% approval barrier at RCP.

It hasn't because they're hacks...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: SUSAN CRUSHBONE on September 19, 2012, 02:31:56 PM
The new Pew poll looks likely to push Obama over the 50% approval barrier at RCP.

It hasn't because they're hacks...

Or maybe it's because Pew is at best a mediocre pollster.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: mondale84 on September 19, 2012, 04:48:04 PM
The new Pew poll looks likely to push Obama over the 50% approval barrier at RCP.

It hasn't because they're hacks...

Or maybe it's because Pew is at best a mediocre pollster.

That doesn't change the fact that RCP is a hack website...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 19, 2012, 04:49:14 PM
The new Pew poll looks likely to push Obama over the 50% approval barrier at RCP.

It hasn't because they're hacks...

Or maybe it's because Pew is at best a mediocre pollster.

That doesn't change the fact that RCP is a hack website...

RCP is fine, but a number of these polls are garbage.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: mondale84 on September 19, 2012, 05:10:07 PM
The new Pew poll looks likely to push Obama over the 50% approval barrier at RCP.

It hasn't because they're hacks...

Or maybe it's because Pew is at best a mediocre pollster.

That doesn't change the fact that RCP is a hack website...

RCP is fine, but a number of these polls are garbage.

I agree that a number of these polls are garbage including all Rassy, Gallup and ARG trolljobs, but RCP is a right-wing hack website and you should look at their article headlines to get a better idea of where they stand...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on September 19, 2012, 06:29:44 PM
^Much like looking at your thread titles...?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 19, 2012, 10:48:06 PM
The new Pew poll looks likely to push Obama over the 50% approval barrier at RCP.

It hasn't because they're hacks...

Or maybe it's because Pew is at best a mediocre pollster.

That doesn't change the fact that RCP is a hack website...

RCP is fine, but a number of these polls are garbage.

I agree that a number of these polls are garbage including all Rassy, Gallup and ARG trolljobs, but RCP is a right-wing hack website and you should look at their article headlines to get a better idea of where they stand...

According to Mondale84 (who still wants a recount), all polls are wrong.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 20, 2012, 08:58:31 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 51%, +2.

Disapprove 48%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, -2.


It could be tied to Romney's 47% comment.  Tracking shows 47%/45% Obama in the horse race poll.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: mondale84 on September 20, 2012, 09:08:56 AM
The new Pew poll looks likely to push Obama over the 50% approval barrier at RCP.

It hasn't because they're hacks...

Or maybe it's because Pew is at best a mediocre pollster.

That doesn't change the fact that RCP is a hack website...

RCP is fine, but a number of these polls are garbage.

I agree that a number of these polls are garbage including all Rassy, Gallup and ARG trolljobs, but RCP is a right-wing hack website and you should look at their article headlines to get a better idea of where they stand...

According to Mondale84 (who still wants a recount), all polls are wrong.

...anyone who has a modicum of respect for democracy "still wants a recount"... ::)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 20, 2012, 10:34:16 AM
The new Pew poll looks likely to push Obama over the 50% approval barrier at RCP.

It hasn't because they're hacks...

Or maybe it's because Pew is at best a mediocre pollster.

That doesn't change the fact that RCP is a hack website...

RCP is fine, but a number of these polls are garbage.

I agree that a number of these polls are garbage including all Rassy, Gallup and ARG trolljobs, but RCP is a right-wing hack website and you should look at their article headlines to get a better idea of where they stand...

According to Mondale84 (who still wants a recount), all polls are wrong.

...anyone who has a modicum of respect for democracy "still wants a recount"... ::)

No, those people who still want a recount of 1984 have no respect for democracy.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 20, 2012, 10:43:18 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 51%, +2.

Disapprove 48%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, -2.


It could be tied to Romney's 47% comment.  Tracking shows 47%/45% Obama in the horse race poll.



Stick a fork in him. He's done.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: mondale84 on September 20, 2012, 11:15:38 AM
The new Pew poll looks likely to push Obama over the 50% approval barrier at RCP.

It hasn't because they're hacks...

Or maybe it's because Pew is at best a mediocre pollster.

That doesn't change the fact that RCP is a hack website...

RCP is fine, but a number of these polls are garbage.

I agree that a number of these polls are garbage including all Rassy, Gallup and ARG trolljobs, but RCP is a right-wing hack website and you should look at their article headlines to get a better idea of where they stand...

According to Mondale84 (who still wants a recount), all polls are wrong.

...anyone who has a modicum of respect for democracy "still wants a recount"... ::)

No, those people who still want a recount of 1984 have no respect for democracy.

We want a recount of 2000, dummy...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 20, 2012, 02:25:19 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 46%, -2


Disapprove: 48%, +2

I would be tempted to ask Leif if he was referring Obama, but I won't.

Gallup has a 6 day cycle, so a lot of that is before the 47% comment.  It might either a reaction to the Islamic world situation or a response to the unemployment numbers.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 20, 2012, 02:27:02 PM
The new Pew poll looks likely to push Obama over the 50% approval barrier at RCP.

It hasn't because they're hacks...

Or maybe it's because Pew is at best a mediocre pollster.

That doesn't change the fact that RCP is a hack website...

RCP is fine, but a number of these polls are garbage.

I agree that a number of these polls are garbage including all Rassy, Gallup and ARG trolljobs, but RCP is a right-wing hack website and you should look at their article headlines to get a better idea of where they stand...

According to Mondale84 (who still wants a recount), all polls are wrong.

...anyone who has a modicum of respect for democracy "still wants a recount"... ::)

No, those people who still want a recount of 1984 have no respect for democracy.

We want a recount of 2000, dummy...

Your screen name is "Mondale84."  ::)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 20, 2012, 03:35:36 PM
Who is Leif? And why would he be stupid enough to think that Obama was done for when he has healthy leads in all the swing states and solid national leads in all but a few outlier polls that aren't very good?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 20, 2012, 06:28:17 PM
Who is Leif? And why would he be stupid enough to think that Obama was done for when he has healthy leads in all the swing states and solid national leads in all but a few outlier polls that aren't very good?

Ah, he's this guy:


Apparently, he didn't realize he was channeling Ann Richards. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 21, 2012, 08:59:23 AM
Fresh approval rating numbers from 3 pollsters among LV today:

Rasmussen: 51-48 approve

National Journal Allstate poll: 50-46 approve

Reason-Rupe poll: 51-46 approve


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 21, 2012, 09:07:06 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 51%, u.

Disapprove 48%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  39%, -1.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on September 21, 2012, 10:49:38 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 51%, u.

Disapprove 58%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  39%, -1.



You hit the wrong number, JJ.  Obama should be at 41.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Joe Biden is your president. Deal with it. on September 21, 2012, 01:34:43 PM
Damn...if the debates go good for Obama his ratings could be around 60% around the final debate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 21, 2012, 03:04:29 PM


http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 47%, +1


Disapprove: 48%, u





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Spanish Moss on September 21, 2012, 07:27:03 PM
Damn...if the debates go good for Obama his ratings could be around 60% around the final debate.

I suspect they will.  He's made for that kind of thing, and I wouldn't be surprised if Romney gaffed.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 22, 2012, 08:38:30 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, -1.

Disapprove 49%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, +2.


46/46 in the horse race; 48/47 Obama with leaners.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 22, 2012, 12:18:06 PM


http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 47%, u


Disapprove: 46%, -2

Head to head, tied at 47%.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 23, 2012, 10:49:54 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, -3.

Disapprove 50%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, +1.

Head to head is tied at 48%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 23, 2012, 12:02:31 PM
Obama approval jumps today at Gallup:

51-43 (+4, -3)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 23, 2012, 12:05:18 PM
Which means RCP will today show 50% approval for Obama for a very long time.

(Unless they remove every poll from their average, except for Gallup and Rasmussen ... :P)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 23, 2012, 12:09:22 PM
The updated RCP average will be 50.0-46.9 approval for Obama.

This is the first time since June 7, 2011 that Obama has 50% approval in the RCP average.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 23, 2012, 12:09:37 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 51%, +4


Disapprove: 43%, -3

Head to head, Obama 48% (+1), Romney 46% (-1).


Probably the shift coming off the 47% remark.  If Rasmussen is correct, it will be ephemeral.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 23, 2012, 12:15:43 PM
lol gallup

Wonder if Politico still thinks it's the gold standard of polling.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 23, 2012, 12:17:36 PM
Can anyone please tell them to throw out their 7-day (!!!) rolling average of registered (!!!) voters, with only 6 weeks until the election ?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Likely Voter on September 23, 2012, 02:29:36 PM
This election continues to track close to the 2004 election. Obama's approval rating is now right around where Bush's was today 8 years ago and on election day. The big difference is that Kerry's personal approval ratingss were positive and Romney's are negative


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on September 23, 2012, 03:07:50 PM
This election continues to track close to the 2004 election. Obama's approval rating is now right around where Bush's was today 8 years ago and on election day. The big difference is that Kerry's personal approval ratingss were positive and Romney's are negative

He's still a couple % lower than Bush was, but Bush starts dropping off around this time, so Obama could catch Bush 2004 before the election.  The race is also polling a bit tighter than Bush/Kerry was post-convention (Obama +4 vs. Bush +6), but the variance was a lot larger in 2004, with Kerry being up +2-3 pre-convention bump for Bush vs. Obama being +1-3 on Romney all summer long this year...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on September 23, 2012, 04:03:46 PM
Obama also hit 50 on the TPM tracker today, which moves more gradually and does a lot more smoothing and rounding. He's actually at exactly the same average on both right now, which does if memory serves happen quite a bit on individual days although TPM adjusts its numbers in retrospect and RCP doesn't.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Likely Voter on September 23, 2012, 04:12:18 PM
This election continues to track close to the 2004 election. Obama's approval rating is now right around where Bush's was today 8 years ago and on election day. The big difference is that Kerry's personal approval ratingss were positive and Romney's are negative

He's still a couple % lower than Bush was, but Bush starts dropping off around this time, so Obama could catch Bush 2004 before the election.  The race is also polling a bit tighter than Bush/Kerry was post-convention (Obama +4 vs. Bush +6), but the variance was a lot larger in 2004, with Kerry being up +2-3 pre-convention bump for Bush vs. Obama being +1-3 on Romney all summer long this year...

Well on Sept 23 Bush was at 51 on the RCP avg, OBama is 50, and by election day  Bush was 49.5   but still won with 50.7 of the PV. No past election is exactly the same but for all the talk about Carter v Reagan, this election continues to look more like Bush v Kerry (with Obama as Bush).  That election also shows a glimmer of hope for Romney fans as Kerry was able to get a 4pt bounce out of the first debate. So even if polling remains stable Romney could close the race to a tie.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 23, 2012, 06:40:22 PM
This election continues to track close to the 2004 election. Obama's approval rating is now right around where Bush's was today 8 years ago and on election day. The big difference is that Kerry's personal approval ratingss were positive and Romney's are negative

Actually, Obama's running about 2 points behind GW Bush at this point.  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on September 23, 2012, 07:10:36 PM
This election continues to track close to the 2004 election. Obama's approval rating is now right around where Bush's was today 8 years ago and on election day. The big difference is that Kerry's personal approval ratingss were positive and Romney's are negative

Actually, Obama's running about 2 points behind GW Bush at this point.  http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

That's very true.  It looks like the same general pattern with less variability, though.  Romney wasn't running nearly as strong as Kerry pre-incumbent convention.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Likely Voter on September 23, 2012, 07:10:37 PM
I'm going off the RCP average.

But if you want to talk Gallup, since that is the new talking point for the right, remind us what the Gallup approval rating was for the last two presidents who were voted out of office (Cater and George HW Bush) were at this point?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on September 23, 2012, 07:21:45 PM
I'm going off the RCP average.

But if you want to talk Gallup, since that is the new talking point for the right, remind us what the Gallup approval rating was for the last two presidents who were voted out of office (Cater and George HW Bush) were at this point?

In mid-September?

Carter: 39%

G.H.W. Bush: 37%



 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mister Twister on September 23, 2012, 07:40:29 PM
So Obama has a 51% approval rating while Carter had a 37% approval rating? Yep, this is exactly like 1980.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President von Cat on September 23, 2012, 09:19:28 PM
Stop deflating Republican fantasies with factual evidence.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on September 23, 2012, 09:29:08 PM
So Obama is running 12-14 points ahead of the last two Presidents to lose re-election while within the margin of error of the last President to win re-election?

The dude is finished.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on September 23, 2012, 09:31:16 PM
Romney needed a great summer (ie, horrible for everyone else) to make in-roads. The undecideds in this race are too low to wait until the last few weeks. He needed to define himself early, but he spent that time sucking up to the extreme right-wing and now he's suffering the consequences.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on September 23, 2012, 09:31:30 PM
So Obama is running 12-14 points ahead of the last two Presidents to lose re-election while within the margin of error of the last President to win re-election?

The dude is finished.

But Romney will blow this thing wide open in the debates, which he's known to be very good at!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 24, 2012, 09:27:09 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 50%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, u.

Head to head is tied at 47/46 Obama, but with leaners 48/48.  On 10/1, Rasmussen will start including leaners in their head to head numbers.  http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 24, 2012, 12:25:28 PM


http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 51%, u


Disapprove: 42%, -1

Head to head, Obama 48% (u), Romney 46% (u).

It looks like a lag on Gallup from the 47% remark.  Obama's approval rating was down for the last week, which probably doesn't include the results for the 47% remark.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 24, 2012, 02:21:57 PM
Gallup's approval numbers don't match up well with their head-to-head numbers at all.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mister Twister on September 24, 2012, 07:04:42 PM
Romney needed a great summer (ie, horrible for everyone else) to make in-roads. The undecideds in this race are too low to wait until the last few weeks. He needed to define himself early, but he spent that time sucking up to the extreme right-wing and now he's suffering the consequences.

It's not all Romney's fault though. The summer of Bain really defined Romney in a negative way. People were saying the Obama was desperate to use these attacks but the truth is that it was a stroke of genius. The Obama Campaign really knows what it's doing, just like in the 2008 primaries and general election.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 25, 2012, 09:05:03 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 51%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  43%, +1.

Head to head is 47/46, Obama, but with leaners 47/47.  On 10/1, Rasmussen will start including leaners in their head to head numbers.  http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 25, 2012, 12:16:02 PM


http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 50%, -1


Disapprove: 43%, +1

Head to head, Obama 48% (u), Romney 45% (-1).

We've still got a lag with the 47% remark.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 26, 2012, 08:57:42 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 51%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  43%, u.

Watch the strongly approve number.  That is either a bad sample or some very solid movement.  The other numbers are holding.

Head to head is tied at 46%, with leaners, 48/46 Romney.


On 10/1, Rasmussen will start including leaners in their head to head numbers.  http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 26, 2012, 09:03:29 AM
lol rasmussen


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 26, 2012, 09:26:59 AM

I'd be watch those Strongly Approve numbers and Gallup over the weekend.  :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Earthling on September 26, 2012, 11:18:42 AM
If that's what makes it possible for you to sleep at night.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 26, 2012, 11:27:38 AM

I'd be watch those Strongly Approve numbers and Gallup over the weekend.  :)

Have fun watching your flawed outlier polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 26, 2012, 02:24:33 PM



http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 51%, +1


Disapprove: 43%, u

Head to head, Obama 50% (+2), Romney 44% (-1).

We've still got a lag with the 47% remark.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 26, 2012, 02:28:01 PM

I'd be watch those Strongly Approve numbers and Gallup over the weekend.  :)

Have fun watching your flawed outlier polls.

Just saw the Quiniapiac ones ones on the polling board. 

While their might be a single bad sample, it is almost impossible to get longer term outliers on the tracking polls.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 26, 2012, 03:48:27 PM
Uh, no it's not. It's very possible. And Gallup and Ramussen are both good examples of it. Both polls have flawed sample weightings.

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We've still got a lag with the 47% remark.

Do you expect Romney's numbers to quickly rebound after the damage of the 47% remark? Because there's no evidence (besides Rasmussen) that this is happening. Obama's lead has only grown in the last few days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on September 26, 2012, 05:16:17 PM
The World's Longest Lag.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 27, 2012, 12:03:52 AM
Uh, no it's not. It's very possible. And Gallup and Ramussen are both good examples of it. Both polls have flawed sample weightings.

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We've still got a lag with the 47% remark.

A weighting problem is not an outlier.

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Do you expect Romney's numbers to quickly rebound after the damage of the 47% remark? Because there's no evidence (besides Rasmussen) that this is happening. Obama's lead has only grown in the last few days.

No, I expect it to rebound, because they were not a major component of the sample last week, when Romney's numbers went up.  They were not a major part of the sample.

As noted, the Rasmussen numbers went down when the comment came out.


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 51%, +2.

Disapprove 48%, -2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, -2.


It could be tied to Romney's 47% comment.  Tracking shows 47%/45% Obama in the horse race poll.



Stick a fork in him. He's done.

I guess since the number's flipped, you think Obama is "done" now, right Lief?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 27, 2012, 08:51:14 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 51%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, +2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, -1.

Head to head is tied at 46/46 Obama, but with leaners 48/48. 

The strongly approved numbers are still running lower and there appears to some erosion (2-3 points).

 On 10/1, Rasmussen will start including leaners in their head to head numbers.  http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on September 27, 2012, 08:57:11 AM
Doesn't recovery from a major campaign gaffe have to be earned?  I don't think it goes away because it was a week ago.  Maybe if something had happened in the news (the Libya ambassador death ended the convention bounce), but there really hasn't been anything helpful to Romney hooking Obama.

The debate could kill this... next week. If he wins the debate that is,  otherwise it might be permanent.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 27, 2012, 09:22:54 AM
Doesn't recovery from a major campaign gaffe have to be earned?  I don't think it goes away because it was a week ago.  Maybe if something had happened in the news (the Libya ambassador death ended the convention bounce), but there really hasn't been anything helpful to Romney hooking Obama.



No, it is internalized.  After the initial hype, people treat it as one piece of data.

The relations with the Islamic are a ongoing problem for Obama, because:

1.  There was more unrest after the apologies.

2.  The assassination of Stevens was a terrorist attack and it took the administration too long to admit it.  It was just probably spin or muddle, but people are saying "conspiracy."



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on September 27, 2012, 10:34:02 AM
The relations with the Islamic are a ongoing problem for Obama, because:

1.  There was more unrest after the apologies.

All of the unrest was after the so-called 'apologies'. The so-called 'apologies' came before there was much unrest. Also, 'Islamic' isn't a noun.

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2.  The assassination of Stevens was a terrorist attack and it took the administration too long to admit it.  It was just probably spin or muddle, but people are saying "conspiracy."

Who are these people and why are they not showing up in the polls showing that Obama has a considerable lead on foreign policy? For that matter, why is none of this claim of yours showing up in the polls?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on September 27, 2012, 10:34:54 AM
No, it is internalized.  After the initial hype, people treat it as one piece of data.

Not all people.  I usually clear out my internalized data after my weekly defragment.  Do you not clear your cache weekly, J.J.?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajb on September 27, 2012, 11:22:44 AM
Judging by the advertising that they're doing, it's clear that neither campaign agrees with J.J. in thinking that the 47% comments were a blip.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Northeast Rep Snowball on September 27, 2012, 11:56:31 AM
I'm not sure if it helps obama much, as hurts Romney, so I'm not sure hwo much it will appear here.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 27, 2012, 12:09:29 PM


http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 50%, -1


Disapprove: 44%, +1

Head to head, Obama 50% (u), Romney 44% (u).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Earthling on September 27, 2012, 12:13:41 PM
Eehh, not to dent your hope too much, but the head to head is Obama 50% (u) - Romney 44% (u)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 27, 2012, 12:15:06 PM
Judging by the advertising that they're doing, it's clear that neither campaign agrees with J.J. in thinking that the 47% comments were a blip.

I'm saying it was a blip on Rasmussen.  I'm waiting to see it it is a blip on Gallup.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajb on September 27, 2012, 02:34:39 PM
Judging by the advertising that they're doing, it's clear that neither campaign agrees with J.J. in thinking that the 47% comments were a blip.

I'm saying it was a blip on Rasmussen.  I'm waiting to see it it is a blip on Gallup.
That's a plausible interpretation of the Rasmussen results. I do think it's worth suggesting that if the 47% comments caused nothing more than a blip, and the race is still essentially tied, then Romney probably wouldn't have replaced all of his existing swing-state ads with an ad in which he announces that he cares just as much about the poor as Obama does.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/09/26/romney_goes_all_in_to_soften_his_47_remarks.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 27, 2012, 10:02:38 PM
Judging by the advertising that they're doing, it's clear that neither campaign agrees with J.J. in thinking that the 47% comments were a blip.

I'm saying it was a blip on Rasmussen.  I'm waiting to see it it is a blip on Gallup.
That's a plausible interpretation of the Rasmussen results. I do think it's worth suggesting that if the 47% comments caused nothing more than a blip, and the race is still essentially tied, then Romney probably wouldn't have replaced all of his existing swing-state ads with an ad in which he announces that he cares just as much about the poor as Obama does.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/09/26/romney_goes_all_in_to_soften_his_47_remarks.html

He might have seen it as a preemption.  There was a drop in Rasmussen, but it was ephemeral. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on September 27, 2012, 10:20:57 PM
Rasmussen's track polls hardly ever move out of the margin of error of 49-49.  It feels like it's been 51-48 in either direction for months now.  The only swing from it came because Scott announced he was going to change his partisan weighing model on September 1st.  You can't possibly see trends in that thing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ajb on September 27, 2012, 10:32:27 PM
Judging by the advertising that they're doing, it's clear that neither campaign agrees with J.J. in thinking that the 47% comments were a blip.

I'm saying it was a blip on Rasmussen.  I'm waiting to see it it is a blip on Gallup.
That's a plausible interpretation of the Rasmussen results. I do think it's worth suggesting that if the 47% comments caused nothing more than a blip, and the race is still essentially tied, then Romney probably wouldn't have replaced all of his existing swing-state ads with an ad in which he announces that he cares just as much about the poor as Obama does.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/09/26/romney_goes_all_in_to_soften_his_47_remarks.html

He might have seen it as a preemption.  There was a drop in Rasmussen, but it was ephemeral. 
As the article says, he's going to begin pre-empting last week's gaffe tomorrow. Just saying.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 28, 2012, 12:09:08 AM
Rasmussen's track polls hardly ever move out of the margin of error of 49-49.  It feels like it's been 51-48 in either direction for months now.  The only swing from it came because Scott announced he was going to change his partisan weighing model on September 1st.  You can't possibly see trends in that thing.

These changes have virtually nothing to do with the weighting.  They are changes within the poll.  And, if you are taking about approval numbers, they were out of that range this month.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 28, 2012, 06:25:03 AM


http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 50%, -1


Disapprove: 44%, +1

Head to head, Obama 50% (u), Romney 44% (u).


Finally, the approval rating and the vote match up.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 28, 2012, 08:42:05 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 51%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  43%, +1.

Head to head is tied at 47/46 Obama, but with leaners 48/48. 


 On 10/1, Rasmussen will start including leaners in their head to head numbers.  http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 28, 2012, 12:43:17 PM


http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 50%, u


Disapprove: 45%, +1

Head to head, Obama 50% (u), Romney 44% (u).



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President von Cat on September 28, 2012, 09:57:39 PM
I guess we're still waiting for Americans to forget about Romney calling them entitled, irresponsible, useless leeches?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 29, 2012, 07:47:43 AM
I guess we're still waiting for Americans to forget about Romney calling them entitled, irresponsible, useless leeches?

Obama's unfavorable numbers have been increasing. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 29, 2012, 07:48:29 AM
Not really, no: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_favorableunfavorable-643.html


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 29, 2012, 08:52:49 AM



Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, +1.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, -1.

Head to head is tied at 46/48 Obama, and with leaners 47/49.

 On 10/1, Rasmussen will start including leaners in their head to head numbers.  http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 29, 2012, 12:06:26 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 48%, -2


Disapprove: 46%, +2

This is probably due to the drop off of the post 47% comment.

Head to head, is still Obama 50% (u), Romney 44% (u).  Let's see if it closes by Tuesday.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 29, 2012, 12:07:50 PM
This is probably due to the drop off of the post 47% comment.

lol


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 29, 2012, 12:15:30 PM
Probably Gallup has a bad Obama sample inside (too much disapproval).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on September 29, 2012, 12:30:42 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 48%, -2


Disapprove: 46%, +2

This is probably due to the drop off of the post 47% comment.

Head to head, is still Obama 50% (u), Romney 44% (u).  Let's see if it closes by Tuesday.



Why would the 47% comment effect Obama job approval.  "Oh, look my opponent said something dumb, therefore I am doing a better job."  It doesn't fit.  47% would drive up Romney's unfavorables as a candidate, not Obama's approval!

As for approval, I think the uptick has more to do with the Dow going from 13,000 to 13,500 than any gaffes or conventions.  We'll see if things stabilize here with the bad econ data this week...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 29, 2012, 04:34:14 PM

So you think Obama is in full collapse, Lief?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 29, 2012, 04:36:08 PM

Why would the 47% comment effect Obama job approval.  "Oh, look my opponent said something dumb, therefore I am doing a better job."  It doesn't fit.  47% would drive up Romney's unfavorables as a candidate, not Obama's approval!

As for approval, I think the uptick has more to do with the Dow going from 13,000 to 13,500 than any gaffes or conventions.  We'll see if things stabilize here with the bad econ data this week...

Actually it does fit.  People do make the comparison with the alternative.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 29, 2012, 05:23:10 PM

So you think Obama is in full collapse, Lief?

lol (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on September 29, 2012, 06:28:02 PM

Why would the 47% comment effect Obama job approval.  "Oh, look my opponent said something dumb, therefore I am doing a better job."  It doesn't fit.  47% would drive up Romney's unfavorables as a candidate, not Obama's approval!

As for approval, I think the uptick has more to do with the Dow going from 13,000 to 13,500 than any gaffes or conventions.  We'll see if things stabilize here with the bad econ data this week...

Actually it does fit.  People do make the comparison with the alternative.

But the QE3 rally coming to an end also fits the timing here.  Historically, gaffes don't fundamentally move a race in polling.  Bitter clingers didn't in 2008, for example.  By contrast, the stock market is highly correlated.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 30, 2012, 06:36:30 AM

Why would the 47% comment effect Obama job approval.  "Oh, look my opponent said something dumb, therefore I am doing a better job."  It doesn't fit.  47% would drive up Romney's unfavorables as a candidate, not Obama's approval!

As for approval, I think the uptick has more to do with the Dow going from 13,000 to 13,500 than any gaffes or conventions.  We'll see if things stabilize here with the bad econ data this week...

Actually it does fit.  People do make the comparison with the alternative.

But the QE3 rally coming to an end also fits the timing here.  Historically, gaffes don't fundamentally move a race in polling.  Bitter clingers didn't in 2008, for example.  By contrast, the stock market is highly correlated.

Well, not really.  The market has not improved greatly since QE 3 was announced, though it has improved.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 30, 2012, 10:56:39 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, +1.

Disapprove 49%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, u.

Head to head is at 46/48 Obama, and with leaners 47/49.

 On 10/1, Rasmussen will start including leaners in their head to head numbers.  http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on September 30, 2012, 11:00:13 AM

Why would the 47% comment effect Obama job approval.  "Oh, look my opponent said something dumb, therefore I am doing a better job."  It doesn't fit.  47% would drive up Romney's unfavorables as a candidate, not Obama's approval!

As for approval, I think the uptick has more to do with the Dow going from 13,000 to 13,500 than any gaffes or conventions.  We'll see if things stabilize here with the bad econ data this week...

Actually it does fit.  People do make the comparison with the alternative.

But the QE3 rally coming to an end also fits the timing here.  Historically, gaffes don't fundamentally move a race in polling.  Bitter clingers didn't in 2008, for example.  By contrast, the stock market is highly correlated.

Well, not really.  The market has not improved greatly since QE 3 was announced, though it has improved.

I still maintain that perceptions about the economy are behind Obama's better standing this month than last.  The favorability gap is roughly the same as it has always been but approval is up.  We're  well out of convention bounce range now, so it can't be that.  Consider that Obama and Romney are now in a statistical tie on "handling of the economy" in most polls and that the direction of the country numbers have also closed from 65-30 to about 55-40.  You're right that the economy isn't doing anything amazing, but the markets and consumer confidence are up at the margins.  It's mainly psychological.  It seems like the "this would be 1932 without me" Obama narrative is finally winning over the middle 10%.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 30, 2012, 12:41:23 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 48%, u


Disapprove: 47%, +1

This is probably due to the drop off of the post 47% comment.

Head to head, is still Obama 49% (-1), Romney 44% (u).  Let's see if it closes, even more, by Tuesday.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on September 30, 2012, 02:31:06 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 48%, u


Disapprove: 47%, +1

This is probably due to the drop off of the post 47% comment.

Head to head, is still Obama 49% (-1), Romney 44% (u).  Let's see if it closes, even more, by Tuesday.



Gallup goes LV tomorrow, so that will surely close the margin a bit.  I still think it's the relatively bad econ news this week.  Or the end of a small "rally around the leader" related to Libya.

I gather that you think the economy is pretty baked in now, barring something crazy like +350K or net job losses in September?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 30, 2012, 02:34:29 PM

Gallup goes LV tomorrow, so that will surely close the margin a bit.  I still think it's the relatively bad econ news this week.  Or the end of a small "rally around the leader" related to Libya.

I gather that you think the economy is pretty baked in now, barring something crazy like +350K or net job losses in September?

Yes and no.  The right track numbers peaked after the DNC and then have bobbed slightly lower. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on September 30, 2012, 05:25:36 PM
I wiill be out tomorrow, if someone wants to get the numbers.

Please remember that on 10/1, Rasmussen ncluding leaners in their head to head numbers.  http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 01, 2012, 05:42:59 PM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, -1.

Disapprove 49%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, -1.

Head to head is at 50/47 Obama, and .

 On 10/1, Rasmussen started including leaners in their head to head numbers.  http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 01, 2012, 05:45:13 PM


http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 47%, +1


Disapprove: 46%, u

This is probably due to the drop off of the post 47% comment.

Head to head, is still Obama 49% (-1), Romney 44% (u). 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 02, 2012, 08:39:26 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, -1.

Disapprove 51%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, -1.

Head to head is at 48/47 Obama.

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 02, 2012, 12:38:37 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 48%, +1


Disapprove: 45%, -1

Head to head, is still Obama 50% (+1), Romney 44% (-1). 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on October 02, 2012, 01:24:10 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 48%, +1


Disapprove: 45%, -1

Head to head, is still Obama 50% (+1), Romney 44% (-1). 


People slightly remembered the 47% comment a little more today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 02, 2012, 01:36:24 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 48%, +1


Disapprove: 45%, -1

Head to head, is still Obama 50% (+1), Romney 44% (-1). 


People slightly remembered the 47% comment a little more today.
As wonderfully cheeky as ever, eh King? :)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 02, 2012, 03:30:11 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

Approve: 48%, +1


Disapprove: 45%, -1

Head to head, is still Obama 50% (+1), Romney 44% (-1). 


People slightly remembered the 47% comment a little more today.

I'd give it another day.  The other polls are showing it closing.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on October 02, 2012, 03:36:22 PM
No, they're really not:

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on October 02, 2012, 03:39:39 PM

What chart you reading? Cos I see Romney up 0.2%! ::)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 02, 2012, 05:44:15 PM

What chart you reading? Cos I see Romney up 0.2%! ::)

Most of those are not tracking polls, but those are ones that show closing.

NBC's latest just made it Obama up by 3, with Romney gaining.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on October 02, 2012, 05:47:36 PM
What does whether or not a poll is a tracking poll have to do with anything? A poll is a poll?

And +5 on the NBC poll to +3 isn't significant movement.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 02, 2012, 09:44:13 PM
What does whether or not a poll is a tracking poll have to do with anything? A poll is a poll?

And +5 on the NBC poll to +3 isn't significant movement.

There is a difference because trending is clearer, and a two point drop is significant.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Person Man on October 02, 2012, 09:49:19 PM
Must be closing a little because of the debates....


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 03, 2012, 09:12:16 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, u.

Disapprove 50%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, +1.

Head to head is at 49/47 Obama (+1).

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on October 03, 2012, 01:23:47 PM
Gallup

Approve 50% (+2)
Disapprove 44% (-1)

The American people had a bad dream about the 47% comment Monday night.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on October 03, 2012, 01:58:33 PM
Did Gallup switch over to a Likely Voter model yet or what?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 03, 2012, 02:04:59 PM
Did Gallup switch over to a Likely Voter model yet or what?

Nope.

They are still using that 7-day RV tracker and a 3-day ADULTS tracker for the Obama approval.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 03, 2012, 03:09:33 PM
Gallup

Approve 50% (+2)
Disapprove 44% (-1)

The American people had a bad dream about the 47% comment Monday night.

And, at the same time:

Obama:  49, -1

Romney: 45, +1

Someplace in there is a really bad sample.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 04, 2012, 09:24:26 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, u.

Disapprove 49%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, u.

Head to head is at 49/47 Obama (u).

 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yank2133 on October 04, 2012, 12:03:07 PM
Gallup

Approval-54(+4)
Disapproval-42(-2)

Don't expect that to last after the debate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 04, 2012, 12:06:39 PM
Gallup

Approval-54(+4)
Disapproval-42(-2)

Don't expect that to last after the debate.

Those numbers are not in it.

Probably a bad sample.

The weekly numbers dropped to 48% at the same time.

Presidential numbers are:

49% Obama, 45% Romney (u).  Those numbers do not include the debate numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Likely Voter on October 04, 2012, 12:23:53 PM
54? When was the last time he was that high? 2009? It wont last.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on October 04, 2012, 12:53:50 PM
Obama could have buried Romney last night.  What a disaster.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on October 04, 2012, 02:07:19 PM
Yup. Obama could have won by 10% in the popular vote if he had finished off Romney last night. Instead we'll probably be seeing a slim Romney lead in the next few days.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 04, 2012, 03:03:41 PM
Gallup's daily number average for September 23-30 was 50.14%.  Their weekly tracking for the same period is 48% (and a decline of 1 point).  There is obviously some bad numbers in their someplace.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 04, 2012, 05:20:31 PM
One bit of good news is that the right direction/wrong track number on Rasmussen is 37/55.  37 is tied for the highest position in about 6 months.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on October 04, 2012, 06:04:59 PM
I highly doubt just this debate will cause Romney to lead. But if this becomes a pattern, and the people think Obama has nothing new to offer them while Romney keeps playing to the middle, watch out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President von Cat on October 04, 2012, 07:17:41 PM
One bit of good news is that the right direction/wrong track number on Rasmussen is 37/55.  37 is tied for the highest position in about 6 months.

Yeah that is some great news!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 04, 2012, 08:42:27 PM
One bit of good news is that the right direction/wrong track number on Rasmussen is 37/55.  37 is tied for the highest position in about 6 months.

Yeah that is some great news!

Well, if you are being sarcastic, that is about as good as the news gets today.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Torie on October 04, 2012, 09:17:45 PM
I highly doubt just this debate will cause Romney to lead. But if this becomes a pattern, and the people think Obama has nothing new to offer them while Romney keeps playing to the middle, watch out.

The most effective thing Mittens said in my mind, with the voters who will decide the election, is that he worked for bipartisan consensus with Romneycare, and Obama didn't with Obamacare, and that approach can bear poison fruit. All major pieces of social legislation in the past have had important bipartisan support - all of them. And yes, Mittens is playing the middle hard now. It must be a relief for him that the primaries are over. That period was absolutely horrible.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on October 04, 2012, 09:19:53 PM
One bit of good news is that the right direction/wrong track number on Rasmussen is 37/55.  37 is tied for the highest position in about 6 months.

Yeah that is some great news!

Well, if you are being sarcastic, that is about as good as the news gets today.

Actually, I'd say Obama being at 54% on Gallup is pretty good news for him.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on October 04, 2012, 09:25:32 PM
I highly doubt just this debate will cause Romney to lead. But if this becomes a pattern, and the people think Obama has nothing new to offer them while Romney keeps playing to the middle, watch out.

The most effective thing Mittens said in my mind, with the voters who will decide the election, is that he worked for bipartisan consensus with Romneycare, and Obama didn't with Obamacare, and that approach can bear poison fruit. All major pieces of social legislation in the past have had important bipartisan support - all of them. And yes, Mittens is playing the middle hard now. It must be a relief for him that the primaries are over. That period was absolutely horrible.

Of course Obama's response should be that no Republican wanted to play ball with him, but he wasn't able to make that argument at all during the debate. He has an even better case with the debt debacle of a couple years back (when Nancy was not calling the shots), and he failed there as well. Truman won by running against an obstructionist congress, Obama must do the same.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 04, 2012, 09:27:40 PM
I highly doubt just this debate will cause Romney to lead. But if this becomes a pattern, and the people think Obama has nothing new to offer them while Romney keeps playing to the middle, watch out.

The most effective thing Mittens said in my mind, with the voters who will decide the election, is that he worked for bipartisan consensus with Romneycare, and Obama didn't with Obamacare, and that approach can bear poison fruit. All major pieces of social legislation in the past have had important bipartisan support - all of them. And yes, Mittens is playing the middle hard now. It must be a relief for him that the primaries are over. That period was absolutely horrible.


I thought that entire discussion was awful... It's difficult to be bipartisan when the other side refuses to do anything other than what they want.

Kind of the same as in MA, Romney's point about working with democrats was silly, because he didn't have a choice. they could have overrun his veto, and this this was before the gop went into the psychiatric ward, and being seen as a 'concilliator' was going to be a plus. but in reality, he was bent over a barrell.

I'm startled he didn't attack congress, not even a little...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Torie on October 04, 2012, 09:31:47 PM
I highly doubt just this debate will cause Romney to lead. But if this becomes a pattern, and the people think Obama has nothing new to offer them while Romney keeps playing to the middle, watch out.

The most effective thing Mittens said in my mind, with the voters who will decide the election, is that he worked for bipartisan consensus with Romneycare, and Obama didn't with Obamacare, and that approach can bear poison fruit. All major pieces of social legislation in the past have had important bipartisan support - all of them. And yes, Mittens is playing the middle hard now. It must be a relief for him that the primaries are over. That period was absolutely horrible.

Of course Obama's response should be that no Republican wanted to play ball with him, but he wasn't able to make that argument at all during the debate. He has an even better case with the debt debacle of a couple years back (when Nancy was not calling the shots), and he failed there as well. Truman won by running against an obstructionist congress, Obama must do the same.

Well actually Obama didn't play much ball with the Pubs on Obamacare at all, walked out on Boehner because he could not even suck up using the chained CPI for SS payment adjustments, ignored Simpson Bowles, that had a bipartisan majority in support of something, and indeed does not talk much to anybody. Dems in Congress bitch all the time what a loner and unapproachable Obama is.  I suspect he holds most of the political class in contempt. That is my honest opinion.

Obama has his talents. Being a consensus builder, and finding the middle, is not one of them however. It is just not within him. Mittens should play this card hard from now until the election. His base will have to suck it up.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 04, 2012, 09:35:15 PM
I highly doubt just this debate will cause Romney to lead. But if this becomes a pattern, and the people think Obama has nothing new to offer them while Romney keeps playing to the middle, watch out.

The most effective thing Mittens said in my mind, with the voters who will decide the election, is that he worked for bipartisan consensus with Romneycare, and Obama didn't with Obamacare, and that approach can bear poison fruit. All major pieces of social legislation in the past have had important bipartisan support - all of them. And yes, Mittens is playing the middle hard now. It must be a relief for him that the primaries are over. That period was absolutely horrible.

Of course Obama's response should be that no Republican wanted to play ball with him, but he wasn't able to make that argument at all during the debate. He has an even better case with the debt debacle of a couple years back (when Nancy was not calling the shots), and he failed there as well. Truman won by running against an obstructionist congress, Obama must do the same.

Well actually Obama didn't play much ball with the Pubs on Obamacare at all, walked out on Boehner because he could not even suck up using the chained CPI for SS payment adjustments, ignored Simpson Bowles, that had a bipartisan majority in support of something, and indeed does not talk much to anybody. Dems in Congress bitch all the time what a loner and unapproachable Obama is.  I suspect he holds most of the political class in contempt. That is my honest opinion.

Obama has his talents. Being a consensus builder, and finding the middle, is not one of them however. It is just not within him. Mittens should play this card hard from now until the election. His base will have to suck it up.

Alright... i'm asking a serious question, since i respect you and unlike JJ you've haven't turned into a hack.

do you genuinely believe that this congress, especially with McConnell and the TP caucus.... that anything even close to a compromise could have been reached?

Every reasonable GOPer was terrified of being primaried...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Torie on October 04, 2012, 09:36:05 PM
I highly doubt just this debate will cause Romney to lead. But if this becomes a pattern, and the people think Obama has nothing new to offer them while Romney keeps playing to the middle, watch out.

The most effective thing Mittens said in my mind, with the voters who will decide the election, is that he worked for bipartisan consensus with Romneycare, and Obama didn't with Obamacare, and that approach can bear poison fruit. All major pieces of social legislation in the past have had important bipartisan support - all of them. And yes, Mittens is playing the middle hard now. It must be a relief for him that the primaries are over. That period was absolutely horrible.


I thought that entire discussion was awful... It's difficult to be bipartisan when the other side refuses to do anything other than what they want.

Kind of the same as in MA, Romney's point about working with democrats was silly, because he didn't have a choice. they could have overrun his veto, and this this was before the gop went into the psychiatric ward, and being seen as a 'concilliator' was going to be a plus. but in reality, he was bent over a barrell.

I'm startled he didn't attack congress, not even a little...

Well Obama chose to do nothing, rather than work out compromises with the Pub House when he "had no choice but to do so if he wanted to do anything at all." He never had serious negotiations with them about anything really. So the Pubs were unanimous against him, including all the moderates and centrists - all of them.  One simply could not do business with him. JMO.  


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 04, 2012, 09:37:21 PM
That's not how I remembered things going... but eh...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Torie on October 04, 2012, 09:39:08 PM
I highly doubt just this debate will cause Romney to lead. But if this becomes a pattern, and the people think Obama has nothing new to offer them while Romney keeps playing to the middle, watch out.

The most effective thing Mittens said in my mind, with the voters who will decide the election, is that he worked for bipartisan consensus with Romneycare, and Obama didn't with Obamacare, and that approach can bear poison fruit. All major pieces of social legislation in the past have had important bipartisan support - all of them. And yes, Mittens is playing the middle hard now. It must be a relief for him that the primaries are over. That period was absolutely horrible.

Of course Obama's response should be that no Republican wanted to play ball with him, but he wasn't able to make that argument at all during the debate. He has an even better case with the debt debacle of a couple years back (when Nancy was not calling the shots), and he failed there as well. Truman won by running against an obstructionist congress, Obama must do the same.

Well actually Obama didn't play much ball with the Pubs on Obamacare at all, walked out on Boehner because he could not even suck up using the chained CPI for SS payment adjustments, ignored Simpson Bowles, that had a bipartisan majority in support of something, and indeed does not talk much to anybody. Dems in Congress bitch all the time what a loner and unapproachable Obama is.  I suspect he holds most of the political class in contempt. That is my honest opinion.

Obama has his talents. Being a consensus builder, and finding the middle, is not one of them however. It is just not within him. Mittens should play this card hard from now until the election. His base will have to suck it up.

Alright... i'm asking a serious question, since i respect you and unlike JJ you've haven't turned into a hack.

do you genuinely believe that this congress, especially with McConnell and the TP caucus.... that anything even close to a compromise could have been reached?

Every reasonable GOPer was terrified of being primaried...

I don't know if a deal could be cut, but yes, Obama could have made more of an effort, and I am quite confident he could have peeled off some Pubs with something that ended up effectively insuring everyone somehow for example to some degree - which obviously has to be done, along with moving Medicare more towards an HMO system. Heck, he could have peeled off me if I had been in Congress.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Beet on October 04, 2012, 09:44:27 PM
What about in the lame duck session? Obama got significant bipartisan bills through on the treaty with Russia, repealing DADT, and extending the Bush era tax cuts another two years. And although it's not a comprehensive debt deal, the sequester was a deal with a Congress infused with tea party freshmen. And he's avoided a government shutdown, which Bill Clinton didn't when he last had an opposing Congress. The idea that Obama doesn't engage with Democrats in Congress doesn't square with the fact that he basically let them write the piece of legislation with his name on it, Obamacare. He learned from the Clintons' secretive, top-down approach that froze out Congress and adapted accordingly. He also shifted his position on the mandate once it became clear that his original approach wasn't working. He's shown himself to be flexible and pragmatic.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on October 04, 2012, 09:46:43 PM
I highly doubt just this debate will cause Romney to lead. But if this becomes a pattern, and the people think Obama has nothing new to offer them while Romney keeps playing to the middle, watch out.

The most effective thing Mittens said in my mind, with the voters who will decide the election, is that he worked for bipartisan consensus with Romneycare, and Obama didn't with Obamacare, and that approach can bear poison fruit. All major pieces of social legislation in the past have had important bipartisan support - all of them. And yes, Mittens is playing the middle hard now. It must be a relief for him that the primaries are over. That period was absolutely horrible.

Of course Obama's response should be that no Republican wanted to play ball with him, but he wasn't able to make that argument at all during the debate. He has an even better case with the debt debacle of a couple years back (when Nancy was not calling the shots), and he failed there as well. Truman won by running against an obstructionist congress, Obama must do the same.

Well actually Obama didn't play much ball with the Pubs on Obamacare at all, walked out on Boehner because he could not even suck up using the chained CPI for SS payment adjustments, ignored Simpson Bowles, that had a bipartisan majority in support of something, and indeed does not talk much to anybody. Dems in Congress bitch all the time what a loner and unapproachable Obama is.  I suspect he holds most of the political class in contempt. That is my honest opinion.

Obama has his talents. Being a consensus builder, and finding the middle, is not one of them however. It is just not within him. Mittens should play this card hard from now until the election. His base will have to suck it up.

Regarding Obamacare, it is just so similar to Republican plans that I don't understand why more Republicans didn't sign on to it. I don't think there was much reasoning to the opposition to it, which is why you saw the raving nonsense about "kill the bill" and all that. Of course I think the Wyden-Bennett bill would have been better, although much more politically difficult to get through, but you cannot criticize Obamacare as being too liberal or leftist. It just doesn't make sense. I guess the Democrats were more concerned about pleasing their own moderates than reaching out to the Republicans? It's all drama really, I don't see what Republicans would have wanted in reality that they didn't get with the bill, except credit of course. And that is worth way more than passing good bills in today's media driven political world.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Beet on October 04, 2012, 09:48:47 PM
Torie, you would never survive in an actual GOP primary in one of those conservative or swing districts. It's not that no Republicans could have been convinced to vote for health care... they were literally dragged kicking and screaming by their own base against the bill. Remember Arlen Specter and Kathleen Sebelius trying to hold a town hall and that woman saying "you have awakened the sleeping giant"? The vitriol was astonishing. No Republican would have voted for it, no matter what they personally thought of the bill, for that reason alone. Political suicide.

The kind of tranquil, moderate, consensus-building governance-- actually, I think, Obama actually prefers that. He would have been a much more popular President in times of prosperity where that kind of governance is possible. The primary emotions of 2009 were rage and fear. And it wasn't so much health care per se but everything-- the collapse of the economy the previous year playing out.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 04, 2012, 09:52:42 PM
So it would have been better for Obama to waste this whole term trying to schmooze Pubbies who wouldn't have supported it anyway... or try to get something to done to address the problem.

Can you name one GOP who would have been confident enough to support ANYTHING Obama did? This is the party that thinks Dick Lugar and Bob Bennett (and tried hard against Orin Hatch and John McCain) aren't conservative enough....

You can make the argument Obama didn't try hard enough... but I disagree strongly that the outcome would have been anything different than him having to go alone..


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 04, 2012, 10:08:16 PM


Can you name one GOP who would have been confident enough to support ANYTHING Obama did? This is the party that thinks Dick Lugar and Bob Bennett (and tried hard against Orin Hatch and John McCain) aren't conservative enough....


They didn't think that until 2009-10.  The GOP turned to the right, but that was a reaction, at least to an extent, of Obama's actions.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Torie on October 04, 2012, 11:26:09 PM
I highly doubt just this debate will cause Romney to lead. But if this becomes a pattern, and the people think Obama has nothing new to offer them while Romney keeps playing to the middle, watch out.

The most effective thing Mittens said in my mind, with the voters who will decide the election, is that he worked for bipartisan consensus with Romneycare, and Obama didn't with Obamacare, and that approach can bear poison fruit. All major pieces of social legislation in the past have had important bipartisan support - all of them. And yes, Mittens is playing the middle hard now. It must be a relief for him that the primaries are over. That period was absolutely horrible.

Of course Obama's response should be that no Republican wanted to play ball with him, but he wasn't able to make that argument at all during the debate. He has an even better case with the debt debacle of a couple years back (when Nancy was not calling the shots), and he failed there as well. Truman won by running against an obstructionist congress, Obama must do the same.

Well actually Obama didn't play much ball with the Pubs on Obamacare at all, walked out on Boehner because he could not even suck up using the chained CPI for SS payment adjustments, ignored Simpson Bowles, that had a bipartisan majority in support of something, and indeed does not talk much to anybody. Dems in Congress bitch all the time what a loner and unapproachable Obama is.  I suspect he holds most of the political class in contempt. That is my honest opinion.

Obama has his talents. Being a consensus builder, and finding the middle, is not one of them however. It is just not within him. Mittens should play this card hard from now until the election. His base will have to suck it up.

Regarding Obamacare, it is just so similar to Republican plans that I don't understand why more Republicans didn't sign on to it. I don't think there was much reasoning to the opposition to it, which is why you saw the raving nonsense about "kill the bill" and all that. Of course I think the Wyden-Bennett bill would have been better, although much more politically difficult to get through, but you cannot criticize Obamacare as being too liberal or leftist. It just doesn't make sense. I guess the Democrats were more concerned about pleasing their own moderates than reaching out to the Republicans? It's all drama really, I don't see what Republicans would have wanted in reality that they didn't get with the bill, except credit of course. And that is worth way more than passing good bills in today's media driven political world.



I thought I had explained at length and in detail why Obamacare is a disaster, and will collapse of its own weight. It cannot stand even if the Dems hold every seat in Congress. I would give up sex before voting for Obamacare. I mean that. And I am a Pub who believes in universal insurance. So no, it was not only politics in my opinion, it was substance.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on October 05, 2012, 02:54:23 AM
The very low penalty for not carrying insurance? Requiring most businesses to offer insurance is a bad move as well since we should move away from employer provided healthcare, though I would make them pay into the system with higher payroll taxes. It evens the playing field between big and small businesses


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 05, 2012, 08:44:19 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%,
+1.

Disapprove 48%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, -1.

Head to head is at 49/47 Obama (u).

 

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Edu on October 05, 2012, 08:48:30 AM
Is there a post-debate sample in there?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 05, 2012, 09:20:28 AM
Is there a post-debate sample in there?

Partial.  1/3 was after the debate, but some of those didn't have full exposure.  Sunday and Monday's numbers will show the post debate in full.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on October 05, 2012, 11:21:13 AM
lol, nice debate bounce Mittens.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 05, 2012, 11:45:41 AM
lol, nice debate bounce Mittens.

It is too early for a debate bounce, even on Rasmussen.  2/3 of the poll was conducted prior to the debate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Northeast Rep Snowball on October 05, 2012, 11:50:38 AM
How high do people expect the debate bounce to be?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 05, 2012, 11:55:27 AM
How high do people expect the debate bounce to be?

Nate Silver gave it 2.2 points for Romney.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yank2133 on October 05, 2012, 12:02:02 PM
Gallup

Approval-52(-2)
Disapproval-43(+1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 05, 2012, 12:06:27 PM
Gallup

Approval-52(-2)
Disapproval-43(+1)

Head to head:

Obama:  50, +1

Romney:  45, u

I think there is obviously some bad numbers in there someplace.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ucscgaldamez on October 05, 2012, 12:22:56 PM
If Romney doesn't show at least a 3point bounce out of the debate then I feel this election is well over with. I mean come on. More than 67 million americans watch the debate and you destroyed Obama at the debate and the best you can do is less than 3 points? I may be too premature here. But after what I saw, I was ready to see huge jumps. Why isn't it happening? What is going on here? On CNN poll of undecided colorado voters, they overwhelmingly gave the win to Romney. Yet when asked who had made up their minds, 8 went for Romney and 8 went for Obama. This is crazy. Now the expectations are set that Romney will win the next debate, if Obama comes swinging, we will be back where we were at, a lead for Obama by 2%.

This electorate is so polarized. If by next week, Obama still leading, the pundits at Fox will be having a major fit.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on October 05, 2012, 01:02:55 PM
If Romney doesn't show at least a 3point bounce out of the debate then I feel this election is well over with. I mean come on. More than 67 million americans watch the debate and you destroyed Obama at the debate and the best you can do is less than 3 points? I may be too premature here. But after what I saw, I was ready to see huge jumps. Why isn't it happening? What is going on here? On CNN poll of undecided colorado voters, they overwhelmingly gave the win to Romney. Yet when asked who had made up their minds, 8 went for Romney and 8 went for Obama. This is crazy. Now the expectations are set that Romney will win the next debate, if Obama comes swinging, we will be back where we were at, a lead for Obama by 2%.

This electorate is so polarized. If by next week, Obama still leading, the pundits at Fox will be having a major fit.

Well if the CNN focus group is any indicator, perhaps Romney didn't win the debate.  He did win it among men easily, but I think Obama won again with women.   That could keep the numbers stagnant.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 05, 2012, 01:09:08 PM
If Romney doesn't show at least a 3point bounce out of the debate then I feel this election is well over with. I mean come on. More than 67 million americans watch the debate and you destroyed Obama at the debate and the best you can do is less than 3 points? I may be too premature here. But after what I saw, I was ready to see huge jumps. Why isn't it happening? What is going on here? On CNN poll of undecided colorado voters, they overwhelmingly gave the win to Romney. Yet when asked who had made up their minds, 8 went for Romney and 8 went for Obama. This is crazy. Now the expectations are set that Romney will win the next debate, if Obama comes swinging, we will be back where we were at, a lead for Obama by 2%.

This electorate is so polarized. If by next week, Obama still leading, the pundits at Fox will be having a major fit.

Well if the CNN focus group is any indicator, perhaps Romney didn't win the debate.  He did win it among men easily, but I think Obama won again with women.   That could keep the numbers stagnant.

They did a focus group with "Walmart Moms."  Romney won the debate unanimously, according to them:  http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/walmart-moms-romney-won-debate-but-many-still-undecided-20121004


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on October 05, 2012, 01:55:41 PM
If Romney doesn't show at least a 3point bounce out of the debate then I feel this election is well over with. I mean come on. More than 67 million americans watch the debate and you destroyed Obama at the debate and the best you can do is less than 3 points? I may be too premature here. But after what I saw, I was ready to see huge jumps. Why isn't it happening? What is going on here? On CNN poll of undecided colorado voters, they overwhelmingly gave the win to Romney. Yet when asked who had made up their minds, 8 went for Romney and 8 went for Obama. This is crazy. Now the expectations are set that Romney will win the next debate, if Obama comes swinging, we will be back where we were at, a lead for Obama by 2%.

This electorate is so polarized. If by next week, Obama still leading, the pundits at Fox will be having a major fit.

Well if the CNN focus group is any indicator, perhaps Romney didn't win the debate.  He did win it among men easily, but I think Obama won again with women.   That could keep the numbers stagnant.

They did a focus group with "Walmart Moms."  Romney won the debate unanimously, according to them:  http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/walmart-moms-romney-won-debate-but-many-still-undecided-20121004

All right. There are, unfortunately for the Romney campaign, undecided voters who are women other than 'Walmart Moms'.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 05, 2012, 02:08:16 PM
If Romney doesn't show at least a 3point bounce out of the debate then I feel this election is well over with. I mean come on. More than 67 million americans watch the debate and you destroyed Obama at the debate and the best you can do is less than 3 points? I may be too premature here. But after what I saw, I was ready to see huge jumps. Why isn't it happening? What is going on here? On CNN poll of undecided colorado voters, they overwhelmingly gave the win to Romney. Yet when asked who had made up their minds, 8 went for Romney and 8 went for Obama. This is crazy. Now the expectations are set that Romney will win the next debate, if Obama comes swinging, we will be back where we were at, a lead for Obama by 2%.

This electorate is so polarized. If by next week, Obama still leading, the pundits at Fox will be having a major fit.

Well if the CNN focus group is any indicator, perhaps Romney didn't win the debate.  He did win it among men easily, but I think Obama won again with women.   That could keep the numbers stagnant.

They did a focus group with "Walmart Moms."  Romney won the debate unanimously, according to them:  http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/walmart-moms-romney-won-debate-but-many-still-undecided-20121004

All right. There are, unfortunately for the Romney campaign, undecided voters who are women other than 'Walmart Moms'.

Yes, but the Walmart Moms account for 14% of the electorate and about 20% (2.8% of the electorate) are Hispanic.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: nhmagic on October 05, 2012, 08:31:20 PM
If Romney doesn't show at least a 3point bounce out of the debate then I feel this election is well over with. I mean come on. More than 67 million americans watch the debate and you destroyed Obama at the debate and the best you can do is less than 3 points? I may be too premature here. But after what I saw, I was ready to see huge jumps. Why isn't it happening? What is going on here? On CNN poll of undecided colorado voters, they overwhelmingly gave the win to Romney. Yet when asked who had made up their minds, 8 went for Romney and 8 went for Obama. This is crazy. Now the expectations are set that Romney will win the next debate, if Obama comes swinging, we will be back where we were at, a lead for Obama by 2%.

This electorate is so polarized. If by next week, Obama still leading, the pundits at Fox will be having a major fit.
Nah man.  They never showed the people choose - Erin Burnett just said it and you're supposed to believe it.  When is a focus group not expected to share who they're voting for prior to being chosen.  It doesn't make for good tv.  I'm guessing that the results were so bad that Burnett just made it up.  She kind of hesitated when saying it and it looked like she was lying.  Her excuse was that I promised that I wouldn't make them share on TV.  What network does that prior to a focus group?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: anvi on October 06, 2012, 12:46:25 AM


The most effective thing Mittens said in my mind, with the voters who will decide the election, is that he worked for bipartisan consensus with Romneycare, and Obama didn't with Obamacare, and that approach can bear poison fruit.

No argument with the criticism that Obama didn't reach across the aisle enough on ACA.  Mitt's first debate strategy was excellent, and knocked Obama off his game entirely, regardless of content issues.  But, if memory serves, Mitt as governor was dealing with a massively Democratic state legislature, so anything that became law while he was in the big chair there had to be bipartisan.  The dynamic of DC politics is going to look a lot different with a Pub House and a Senate that has a narrow majority either way and is still very filibusterable.  If he wins, I don't think it will take long before we hear the Romney White House complaining loudly about Dem obstructionism and resorting to some occasionally unseemly dealmaking.  It's the bad place.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 06, 2012, 01:18:04 AM
The Senate may not be able to filibuster.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/186133-reid-triggers-nuclear-option-to-change-senate-rules-and-prohibit-post-cloture-filibusters


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 06, 2012, 08:46:42 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, u.

Disapprove 49%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, +1.

Head to head is at 49/47 Romney/Obama (+2/-2).

The numbers include 2/3 of a sample taken after the debate and 1/3 after the job numbers.  It might very well be ephemeral.



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 06, 2012, 08:48:40 AM
I'm not putting any judgement on it, but I find it interesting that you have 4% swing in 24-48 hours, yet Obama's approval remains at 50...



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on October 06, 2012, 09:04:51 AM
Obama's not going to lose if his approval is at 50%. Especially against someone like Mitt Romney.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 06, 2012, 09:10:37 AM
Obama's not going to lose if his approval is at 50%. Especially against someone like Mitt Romney.


Well, we have seen something more pronounced on Gallup.  It might indicate shifting attitudes, or even a sense that Romney might be a better president.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on October 06, 2012, 10:07:31 AM
The Senate may not be able to filibuster.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/186133-reid-triggers-nuclear-option-to-change-senate-rules-and-prohibit-post-cloture-filibusters

Well, they could do that.  But changing the senate rules cuts both ways.  What long term good does repealing Obamacare do for Republicans if the next Democratic president can just enroll the entire country in Medicare with a one vote majority?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: anvi on October 06, 2012, 10:13:14 AM
The Senate may not be able to filibuster.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/186133-reid-triggers-nuclear-option-to-change-senate-rules-and-prohibit-post-cloture-filibusters

That just restricted certain kinds of procedural votes after a cloture motion has been passed.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 06, 2012, 10:32:26 AM
The Senate may not be able to filibuster.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/186133-reid-triggers-nuclear-option-to-change-senate-rules-and-prohibit-post-cloture-filibusters

That just restricted certain kinds of procedural votes after a cloture motion has been passed.

Yes, but you can set up the situation where you can get those kind of procedural votes.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 06, 2012, 12:15:28 PM

Gallup

Approve 50% (+2)
Disapprove 45% (+2)

I would not be too surprised if there was an overly pro-Obama sample that would be still in there.  I would not be too concerned about a big drop tomorrow, if it happens.

Head to 49/46 Obama.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on October 06, 2012, 02:20:59 PM
The Senate may not be able to filibuster.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/186133-reid-triggers-nuclear-option-to-change-senate-rules-and-prohibit-post-cloture-filibusters

That just restricted certain kinds of procedural votes after a cloture motion has been passed.

Yes, but you can set up the situation where you can get those kind of procedural votes.

Again, the threat of retribution is too high.  They know that if they did that, the next Dem would be vindictive enough to ram through single payer and the Eisenhower tax brackets to pay for it. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 06, 2012, 02:23:07 PM
The Senate may not be able to filibuster.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/186133-reid-triggers-nuclear-option-to-change-senate-rules-and-prohibit-post-cloture-filibusters

That just restricted certain kinds of procedural votes after a cloture motion has been passed.

Yes, but you can set up the situation where you can get those kind of procedural votes.

Again, the threat of retribution is too high.  They know that if they did that, the next Dem would be vindictive enough to ram through single payer and the Eisenhower tax brackets to pay for it. 

Only the electorate could prevent it.  I'm tempted to say, "Bring it on."


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Politico on October 07, 2012, 02:26:18 AM
The Senate may not be able to filibuster.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/186133-reid-triggers-nuclear-option-to-change-senate-rules-and-prohibit-post-cloture-filibusters

That just restricted certain kinds of procedural votes after a cloture motion has been passed.

Yes, but you can set up the situation where you can get those kind of procedural votes.

Again, the threat of retribution is too high.  They know that if they did that, the next Dem would be vindictive enough to ram through single payer and the Eisenhower tax brackets to pay for it.  

Dream on. There isn't going to be another liberal in the White House for yet another generation. It took 28 years to go from Carter to Obama. It will take another 28 years, at the least, before America turns to another liberal.

Please run a liberal against Mitt in 2016. We, as in those of us who despise modern economic "liberalism" (AKA "trickle-down government"), would love to defeat a liberal in a landslide again.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 07, 2012, 08:44:54 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, u.

Disapprove 49%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, +1.

Head to head is at 49/47 Romney/Obama (u).

The numbers include  a sample taken after the debate and 2/3 after the job numbers.  It might very well be ephemeral.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: LiberalJunkie on October 07, 2012, 11:10:35 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, u.

Disapprove 49%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  42%, +1.

Head to head is at 49/47 Romney/Obama (u).

The numbers include  a sample taken after the debate and 2/3 after the job numbers.  It might very well be ephemeral.




Makes no sense that Romney is ahead Obama when his approval is at 50.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 07, 2012, 12:04:08 PM

Gallup

Approve 48% (-2)
Disapprove 46% (+1)


Head to 49/46 Obama, unchanged.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Skill and Chance on October 07, 2012, 01:54:45 PM
The Senate may not be able to filibuster.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/186133-reid-triggers-nuclear-option-to-change-senate-rules-and-prohibit-post-cloture-filibusters

That just restricted certain kinds of procedural votes after a cloture motion has been passed.

Yes, but you can set up the situation where you can get those kind of procedural votes.

Again, the threat of retribution is too high.  They know that if they did that, the next Dem would be vindictive enough to ram through single payer and the Eisenhower tax brackets to pay for it.  

Dream on. There isn't going to be another liberal in the White House for yet another generation. It took 28 years to go from Carter to Obama. It will take another 28 years, at the least, before America turns to another liberal.

Please run a liberal against Mitt in 2016. We, as in those of us who despise modern economic "liberalism" (AKA "trickle-down government"), would love to defeat a liberal in a landslide again.

First, of all, if Carter was so darn liberal, why did Ted Kennedy primary him?

Second, that's all predicated on the economy of 2016 being better than today's.  Sometime soon, Germany will decide it's had enough and call off the Euro.  There's really nothing any American can do about it, and I would be shocked if they held out past 2016.  When that happens, the fallout could make the economy of 2012 look like 1998.  People on either side could very well be left wishing they had lost this election.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Politico on October 07, 2012, 05:19:32 PM
The Senate may not be able to filibuster.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/186133-reid-triggers-nuclear-option-to-change-senate-rules-and-prohibit-post-cloture-filibusters

That just restricted certain kinds of procedural votes after a cloture motion has been passed.

Yes, but you can set up the situation where you can get those kind of procedural votes.

Again, the threat of retribution is too high.  They know that if they did that, the next Dem would be vindictive enough to ram through single payer and the Eisenhower tax brackets to pay for it.  

Dream on. There isn't going to be another liberal in the White House for yet another generation. It took 28 years to go from Carter to Obama. It will take another 28 years, at the least, before America turns to another liberal.

Please run a liberal against Mitt in 2016. We, as in those of us who despise modern economic "liberalism" (AKA "trickle-down government"), would love to defeat a liberal in a landslide again.

First, of all, if Carter was so darn liberal, why did Ted Kennedy primary him?

A number of reasons. One, social issues. Kennedy was much more liberal on the social front (He was talking about gay marriage with San Francisco liberals before AIDS came on the scene). Two, Carter was making liberalism look bad on the economic front (high inflation, stagflation, talking about "crisis of confidence," and so forth). More than anything, though, Ted Kennedy wanted to be president and Washington Democrats did not like Carter's inability to be chummy with them. Carter was an outsider, and Teddy was the ultimate insider who felt entitled to the presidency.

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Second, that's all predicated on the economy of 2016 being better than today's.  Sometime soon, Germany will decide it's had enough and call off the Euro.  There's really nothing any American can do about it, and I would be shocked if they held out past 2016.  When that happens, the fallout could make the economy of 2012 look like 1998.  People on either side could very well be left wishing they had lost this election.

While the world may be facing a downturn soon, America is insulated from the Euro contagion more so than any other large nation on the planet. I eagerly welcome the death of the Euro, something I have wanted for years, because it ends the threat to our preeminence as the world's reserve currency (Unless Obama hands China the ammunition to eventually destroy our currency, of course). Almost nobody quite understands how big of a deal it is having the greenback as the world's reserve currency.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Ichabod on October 07, 2012, 06:30:46 PM
You know that if the Euro collapses, your dollar collapses too, right?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on October 07, 2012, 06:56:12 PM
American debt will probably crash the USD much sooner.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Politico on October 07, 2012, 08:06:49 PM
You know that if the Euro collapses, your dollar collapses too, right?

The collapse of the Euro would increase demand for the greenback, so I have no idea what you are talking about. Ultimately, the Eurocrats will probably find a way to convert away from the Euro and back onto single currencies while keeping the other aspects of the EU intact. The only thing that will change is the end of the monetary union. The Eurocrats will find a way to reverse the adoption of the Euro, or they are really screwed. I have faith in Germany's ability to solve this conundrum without severe ramifications abroad. Obviously Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy are in trouble, but I am confident that the contagion will be largely restricted to the weaker, irresponsible areas of Europe.

If things get really bad, obviously people will seek shelter. All else equal, people will choose the safest part of the world, which will be North America (i.e., USA and Canada). All else equal, people will be especially interested in having the world's reserve currency (i.e., USD).

But, by all means, defend Europe instead of America. I would expect no less from a liberal. Just don't forget what was sewed in Osama Bin Laden's jacket, and what denomination Saddam Hussein wanted to trade Iraqi oil in...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 08, 2012, 08:51:58 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 51%, +1.

Disapprove 49%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  40%, -2.

Head to head is at 48/48 Romney/Obama (-1/+1).

Sample includes all numbers after debate and jobs report.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Warren 4 Secretary of Everything on October 08, 2012, 12:03:38 PM

Approve 51%, +3.

Disapprove 44%, -2.


Head to head is at 50/45 Obama/Romney (+1/-1).

The bounce truly was ephemeral.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yank2133 on October 08, 2012, 12:08:47 PM
Yeah, it looks like Mitt has peaked.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 08, 2012, 12:12:01 PM

Gallup

Approve 51% (+3)
Disapprove 44% (-2)


Head to 50/45 Obama, +1/-1.





Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 08, 2012, 12:56:45 PM
......wooooooooow. What more can be said about numbers like that? Just wow.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Sbane on October 08, 2012, 01:55:07 PM
If his approvals stay around there, that's at least a 4 point win.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 08, 2012, 02:53:25 PM
If his approvals stay around there, that's at least a 4 point win.

There was a 2 and 4 point gain on Gallup on the 10/3 and 10/4, respectively, for Obama.  It boosted the weekly numbers, but it passed.  I think this is too.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on October 08, 2012, 03:10:37 PM
Strange.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 09, 2012, 08:48:40 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, -2.

Disapprove 50%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  43%, +3.

Head to head is at 48/48 Romney/Obama (u).



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: afleitch on October 09, 2012, 12:04:03 PM
Gallup

Approve 53 (+2)
Dissaprove 42 (-2)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 09, 2012, 12:06:37 PM
Gallup

Approve 53% (+2)
Disapprove 42% (-2)


Head to Head, Registered:

Obama:  49 -1

Romney: 46 +1

Head to Head, Likely:

Obama:  47, -1

Romney, 49, +1

http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx

The bounce does not appear to be ephemeral. 

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Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: afleitch on October 09, 2012, 12:10:27 PM
The bounce does not appear to be ephemeral.  

That cannot be determined as Gallup is still using a 7 day tracker for some strange reason.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 09, 2012, 12:12:41 PM
The bounce does not appear to be ephemeral.  

That cannot be determined as Gallup is still using a 7 day tracker for some strange reason.

Oct 2-8, 2012 – Updates daily at 1 p.m. ET; reflects one-day change

It should be noted that there are still two days in it that were pre debate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: afleitch on October 09, 2012, 12:15:09 PM
The bounce does not appear to be ephemeral.  

That cannot be determined as Gallup is still using a 7 day tracker for some strange reason.

Oct 2-8, 2012 – Updates daily at 1 p.m. ET; reflects one-day change

It should be noted that there are still two days in it that were pre debate.

Exactly. And days immediately post debate. Therefore you can't judge the bounce.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on October 09, 2012, 12:32:47 PM
Obama just needs to drive up turnout and he wins.  Of course, we all knew this long before the first debate.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 09, 2012, 03:33:02 PM
The bounce does not appear to be ephemeral.  

That cannot be determined as Gallup is still using a 7 day tracker for some strange reason.

Oct 2-8, 2012 – Updates daily at 1 p.m. ET; reflects one-day change

It should be noted that there are still two days in it that were pre debate.

Exactly. And days immediately post debate. Therefore you can't judge the bounce.

Well, what has happened after the bounce has not driven it down (if it was a single day bounce).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on October 09, 2012, 03:44:50 PM
How can the race be so tight if these numbers are accurate?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 09, 2012, 03:51:50 PM
How can the race be so tight if these numbers are accurate?

The only number sticking out is Gallup's approval numbers.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 09, 2012, 07:40:37 PM
Well technically 'ephemeral' doesn't mean just one day... it means a short period of time... or probably 'transitory' is a better description...

But that's by the by...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 09, 2012, 08:21:08 PM
Well technically 'ephemeral' doesn't mean just one day... it means a short period of time... or probably 'transitory' is a better description...

But that's by the by...

"Transitory" implies a transition, or at least can be readily confused with that.  "Ephemeral" implies a temporary condition that will revert back to the status quo in a short period of time.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 09, 2012, 08:25:46 PM
Well technically 'ephemeral' doesn't mean just one day... it means a short period of time... or probably 'transitory' is a better description...

But that's by the by...

"Transitory" implies a transition, or at least can be readily confused with that.  "Ephemeral" implies a temporary condition that will revert back to the status quo in a short period of time.

Which, depending on who you listen to, this MIGHT have been... but I doubt we'll know until the weekend. The blessings of multi-day polls...


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 09, 2012, 08:28:33 PM
Well technically 'ephemeral' doesn't mean just one day... it means a short period of time... or probably 'transitory' is a better description...

But that's by the by...

"Transitory" implies a transition, or at least can be readily confused with that.  "Ephemeral" implies a temporary condition that will revert back to the status quo in a short period of time.

Which, depending on who you listen to, this MIGHT have been... but I doubt we'll know until the weekend. The blessings of multi-day polls...

The initial polling look like a swing, as opposed to an ephemeral bounce, but we won't know until the weekend.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 10, 2012, 08:50:13 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, u.

Disapprove 50%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 34%, +4.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  43%, u.

Head to head is at 48/47 Romney(u)/Obama (-1).

The Strongly Approve numbers are up for both candidates, dramatically.  This is either a bad sample or an increase in enthusiasm. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Northeast Rep Snowball on October 10, 2012, 11:46:26 AM
its probably sampling


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Yank2133 on October 10, 2012, 12:02:34 PM
Gallup

Approval-53(NC)
Disapproval-42(NC)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 10, 2012, 12:56:14 PM

No, it matches Gallup's tracking closely.

The only strange number is Gallup approval.  Gallup tracking is 48/48.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Cliffy on October 10, 2012, 08:55:48 PM
Don't get too excited over Gallups approval.  It's highly suspect due to increased non white voter percent.  A 6.6% increase over the record 2008 level (and 4.9% jump week-over-week).   So if you belive that'll happen this election by all means enjoy Gallup's poll.  

End of september the % of non white vote was 25.7% in Gallup's poll and in September overall had averaged right around 27%.  October they jumped it up to 30.6%.




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 11, 2012, 08:44:27 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 51%, +2.

Disapprove 49%, -1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 30%, -4.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, -2.

Head to head is at 48/47  Obama (+1)/Romney (-1).




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 11, 2012, 12:28:10 PM

Gallup

Approve 52% (-1)
Disapprove 43% (+1)


Head to Head (Likely Voters)

Romney:  48 (u)

Obama:  47 (-1)

Obama leads 48/46 on Registered Voters.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Mister Twister on October 11, 2012, 07:59:16 PM
So, Obama is above 50% in approval ratings and has the highest approval he's had in years and he's getting his ass kicked by Romney in the head-to-head match ups as well as collapsing in the swing states? WTF?


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: You kip if you want to... on October 11, 2012, 08:36:11 PM
So, Obama is above 50% in approval ratings and has the highest approval he's had in years and he's getting his ass kicked by Romney in the head-to-head match ups as well as collapsing in the swing states? WTF?

Imagine if the GOP candidate was actually one of the good ones who didn't run!


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: President von Cat on October 12, 2012, 02:32:21 AM
So, Obama is above 50% in approval ratings and has the highest approval he's had in years and he's getting his ass kicked by Romney in the head-to-head match ups as well as collapsing in the swing states? WTF?

Dude he's down by 1, within the margin of error, in the likely voter polls, and ahead by 2 in the registered voter polls, all the while holding 6-7 point leads in swing sates, depending on your pollster of choice.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 12, 2012, 08:42:48 AM
Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, -1.

Disapprove 49%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, .

Head to head is at 48/47  Romney (u)/Obama (u).




Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on October 12, 2012, 11:50:32 AM
It's an enthusiasm gap that is being reflected in likely voter screens. 


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on October 12, 2012, 11:57:43 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, -1.

Disapprove 49%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, .

Head to head is at 48/47  Obama (u)/Romney (u).




Head to head is Obama at 47 (-1) and Romney at 48 (+1)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Umengus on October 12, 2012, 12:00:03 PM
Rand poll:

O: 48,17
R: 46,15


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: philly09 on October 12, 2012, 01:08:13 PM
Gallup

50% Approve (-2)

44% Disapprove(+1)

Reg voters: Obama 48, Romney 46 unchanged

Likely voters: Romney 49, Obama 47. Romney up 1


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 12, 2012, 02:36:54 PM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, -1.

Disapprove 49%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 29%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, .

Head to head is at 48/47  Obama (u)/Romney (u).




Head to head is Obama at 47 (-1) and Romney at 48 (+1)

Thank you; I corrected it.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Silent Hunter on October 13, 2012, 05:55:12 AM
It's an enthusiasm gap that is being reflected in likely voter screens. 

Yes and those gaps can change.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 13, 2012, 11:35:27 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 50%, u.

Disapprove 49%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, -1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  41%, .

Head to head is at 49/48  Romney (+1)/Obama (+1).


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 13, 2012, 12:06:23 PM

Gallup

48% Approve (-2)

46% Disapprove(+2)

Likely voters:

Romney:  49, u

Obama:  47, u


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 14, 2012, 11:18:48 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, -2.

Disapprove 50%, +2.

"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, +3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  44%, +3.

Either a bad sample or both bases are riled up. 

Head to head is at 49/47  Romney (+1)/Obama (-1).



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 14, 2012, 12:05:50 PM


Gallup

48% Approve (u)

47% Disapprove(+1)

Likely voters:

Romney:  49, u

Obama:  47, u


Joementum?  ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: GMantis on October 15, 2012, 04:54:27 AM
Don't get too excited over Gallups approval.  It's highly suspect due to increased non white voter percent.  A 6.6% increase over the record 2008 level (and 4.9% jump week-over-week).   So if you belive that'll happen this election by all means enjoy Gallup's poll.  

End of september the % of non white vote was 25.7% in Gallup's poll and in September overall had averaged right around 27%.  October they jumped it up to 30.6%.
In 1996 non-white voters were 17%, in 2000 20%, in 2004 23% and in 2008 26%. So this result seem to keep up with a long-term trend.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Warren 4 Secretary of Everything on October 15, 2012, 04:59:23 AM
WaPo/ABC Poll- Registered Voters/Likely Voters
Approval-51/50
Disapproval-47/48

Politico/GWU Battleground Poll
Approval- 50
Dissaproval- 48


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 15, 2012, 08:53:15 AM

Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, +1.

Disapprove 50%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 32%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  43%, -1.


Head to head is at 49/48  Romney (u)/Obama (+1).



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: Eraserhead on October 15, 2012, 09:15:37 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 49%, +1.

Disapprove 50%, u.

"Strongly Approve" is at 32%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  43%, -1.


Head to head is at 49/47  Romney (u)/Obama (+1).



Head to head is 49/48.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 15, 2012, 03:05:21 PM

Gallup

48% Approve (u)

47% Disapprove(u)

Likely voters:

Romney:  49, u

Obama:  47, u


Joementum Bidemania!!!  ;)


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: King on October 15, 2012, 04:18:28 PM

Gallup

48% Approve (u)

47% Disapprove(u)

Likely voters:

Romney:  49, u

Obama:  47, u


Joementum Bidemania!!!  ;)


Probably just a bad sample.  A little falling off from the 47% comment.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 15, 2012, 05:19:33 PM

Gallup

48% Approve (u)

47% Disapprove(u)

Likely voters:

Romney:  49, u

Obama:  47, u


Joementum Bidemania!!!  ;)


Probably just a bad sample.  A little falling off from the 47% comment.

No and actually there wouldn't be likely reaction to the VP debate at this point.


Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: J. J. on October 16, 2012, 08:43:44 AM


Rasmussen Obama (National) (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)

Approve 48%, -1.

Disapprove 51%, +1.

"Strongly Approve" is at 32%, u.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at  43%, u.


Head to head is at 49/47  Romney (u)/Obama (-1).



Title: Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread
Post by: ElectionAtlas on October 16, 2012, 11:10:50 AM
Note - this topic is slowing down things dramatically due to the number of replies.  I've locked.
Thanks,
Dave