Talk Elections

Republicans:
Senator John McCain (Arizona)
Governor Tim Pawlenty (Minnesota)

Democrats:
Fmr. Governor Mark Warner (Virginia)
Governor Bill Richardson (New Mexico)

I think Warner does much worse than Obama, but still wins the election, 298-240:
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Flip NH, maybe CO, but probably not.

With the economy being such a major issue, Warner's record of managing Virginia, and his business experience, leads him to an even bigger landslide than Obama's.
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Flip Nevada, Montana, Nebraska-2, and Indiana and I agree. Though I think Warner might have had a chance in Kentucky and perhaps Tennessee.

You have to understand someone's campaign ability versus someone's record.  McCain had a long list of accomplishments in the US senate, but did not project them well to the public.  On the other hand, Obama has campaigned absolutely flawlessly, but has accomplished near to nothing.

You have to understand that Mark Warner would not have had nearly as many grassroots efforts, nor as much charisma as Obama.  He may have a decent record, but if you actually think he would have done as well (or better, as you seem to believe), you are living in a pipe dream.

Obama's campaigning ability doesn't have that much to do with the landslide, it has everything to do with the economy.

Obviously, the economy had a lot to do with the presidential outcome, but Obama was very talented in his campaign ability, which allowed him to win over many voters.  I don't think that Mark Warner would have enough grassroots and GOTV motivation to pull out as large of an electoral college victory as Obama.

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I don't really see the results being too much different.  Indiana,  and NE Cong. Dist. 2 may not have went for the Dems, but those loses would have probably been offset by a win in Missouri.  West Virginia would have been a tossup.  Kentucky, Tennessee, and Arkansas would have been much more competitive, but I doubt that they would have flipped.  Georgia would probably not been as competitive since the Africian American population in that state would not have been nearly as excitited about voting for another White Southern Governor.

Assuming similar economic conditions, Warner 297-241. Take The Populist's map, award West Virginia to McCain and New Hampshire to Warner.

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Mark R. Warner/William B. Richardson III (D): 314 EV
John S. McCain III/Timothy J. Pawlenty (R): 224 EV

Mark Warner, like Barack Obama manages to defeat John McCain comfortably in the General Election, but his victory is much shorter than Obama's record breaking victory in RL. Warner, unlike Obama picks up Missouri and Arkansas, whilst losing Nevada, Colorado, Indiana, Florida, North Carolina and Nebraska's Second Congressional District.


Folks, one thing we all have learnt about Garrison since joining the Atlas Forum in August 2006 is that anytime Ronald Reagan is heading the Republican ticket, in numerous What-If scenarios, such as "No 22th Amendment - Reagan Runs in 1988", it is always a Republican landslide. And when the person in question is criticised, you are labelled a "hack". Food for thought.

Garrison, all I did was take Obama's victory, and give him Montana, Missouri, Arkansas, and West Virginia.  Hardly unlikely.

No, Garrison, it isn't.

Yes, Garrison, I can.  I just did, as a matter of fact.

Fail. Warner isn't charismatic, etc.

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I'm getting very sick of this Warner lovefest. I wonder if some people on this board don't have pictures of him they carry around in their wallets.

This may shock some people, but I don't have a picture of Warner is my wallet.

This is a very interesting scenario, as neither of these candidates are in any way exceptional public speakers. In this day and age, a person has to be a good public speaker to win the White House, so the American people would face an interesting predicament with Governor Warner and Senator McCain squaring off. I would give the win to the governor, however, as I feel he could connect with the Middle Class voter better than Senator McCain. In the end, Warner wins in a walk.

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Mark Warner/Bill Richardson (D): 356 EV;53.4% of the PV
John McCain/Tim Pawlenty (R): 182 EV; 46.1% of the PV
Others (Libertarian, Constitution, etc.): 0 EV; 0.5% of the PV

Governor Pawlenty would become the "heir apparent" for the 2012 GOP Pesidential nomination, as he has a more positive Fall Campaign than the media allowed Governor Palin to have. All in all, an interesting scenario. I also would have probably voted for the Democatic Ticket as it seems like the most qualifed ticket since Johnson/Humphrey in 1964.

I would not see Warner selecting Richardson. Biden is more like it.

Anyway, he wins in a landslide. Pawlenty would not be able to win his own state.

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Governor Warner is able to defeat Senator McCain in a rout,
360-178

Einzige,

A point well taken, but even President Bush is not that terrible of a public speaker. His way of speaking is his own tpye of "folsky", and that obviosly worked in two (or at least one) national election.

yes I agree, Bush isn't that bad a piblic speaker. Just well, seen as one now.

Warner wouldn't have done better than Obama.

Alright, then.

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(For the record, I actually like G.H.W. much better than either his immediate predecessor or his  son, but you can't say the man was anything but a lackadaisical public speaker, at best. For that matter, I'd question the attractiveness of a 'folksy' style of speaking to anybody other than a certain species of Southerner - one which, in the context of this thread, would probably see the same thing in Warner they saw in Dubya.)