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Title: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Tender Branson on March 19, 2008, 01:17:31 PM
Ohio:

Clinton - 50%
McCain - 44%

McCain - 50%
Obama - 43%

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=32265e32-9fce-4c9e-83e1-509847379601

Missouri:

McCain - 48%
Clinton - 46%

McCain - 53%
Obama - 39%

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=8d367ce2-f928-4f60-b2a1-ce2b97ad6144

Kentucky:

McCain - 53%
Clinton - 43%

McCain - 64%
Obama - 28%

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=45313abe-4220-409a-bc6c-5159d0751f46

Data Collected: 03/14/2008 - 03/16/2008


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Beet on March 19, 2008, 01:25:08 PM
Kentucky:

McCain - 53%
Clinton - 43%

McCain - 64%
Obama - 28%

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=45313abe-4220-409a-bc6c-5159d0751f46

Data Collected: 03/14/2008 - 03/16/2008

Owwch.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Eraserhead on March 19, 2008, 01:27:37 PM
The Missouri numbers don't seem at all logical to me.

As for KY, well what did you expect?


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Tender Branson on March 19, 2008, 01:31:45 PM
OH - Among White Voters (Poll conducted 26-28 Feb.):

Clinton: 49%
McCain: 42%

Obama: 47%
McCain: 42%

OH - Among White Voters (Poll conducted 14-16 March):

McCain: 48%
Clinton: 48%

McCain: 56%
Obama: 37%

...

MO - Among White Voters (Poll conducted 26-28 Feb.):

McCain: 50%
Clinton: 43%

McCain: 52%
Obama: 38%

MO - Among White Voters (Poll conducted 14-16 March):

McCain: 52%
Clinton: 42%

McCain: 57%
Obama: 34%

...

KY - Among White Voters (Poll conducted 26-28 Feb.):

McCain: 53%
Clinton: 39%

McCain: 57%
Obama: 30%

KY - Among White Voters (Poll conducted 14-16 March):

McCain: 54%
Clinton: 42%

McCain: 67%
Obama: 24%


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Tender Branson on March 19, 2008, 01:36:49 PM
Looking @ how the KY numbers changed, I think in LA, AL and MS, Obama would get just 10% of Whites right now and McCain 80% if SurveyUSA would poll all 50 states again ... :P


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Person Man on March 19, 2008, 01:43:32 PM
So the question becomes whether it is temporary or if this is the dean yell.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on March 19, 2008, 02:06:24 PM
Either SurveyUSA made a misprint, or they're smoking some real powerful stuff over there.

Everyone knows Obama would do better than Clinton, so this is simply laughable.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Joe Republic on March 19, 2008, 02:09:30 PM
Either SurveyUSA made a misprint, or they're smoking some real powerful stuff over there.

Everyone knows Obama would do better than Clinton, so this is simply laughable.

It's common knowledge that you've been living in a bubble for several years, but now it seems that the bubble has changed from transparent to opaque over the last few weeks.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: agcatter on March 19, 2008, 02:10:13 PM
This may surprise some of you coming from me, but these are just three polls in time and what a time it was.  I mean, these polls were ALL THREE done right smack dab in the middle of the Wright affair and it is obviously reflecting Obama's absolute bottom in the middle of an extreme negative news cycle.

Therefore, I don't attach much if any importance to any of these.

However, watch the Hillary people jump on these and try to use them to try and convince everyone that Hillary is the stronger candidate.  I think the super delegates are too smart for that in that they know that a couple of polls don't mean much now.  Obama will do better when this thing passes.  I think it will hurt him some in the long run but no where near what is reflected in these polls.

BTW, Bandit claims to be from Kentucky but doesn't seem to know that EVERY poll taken has shown Clinton running much better in Kentucky than Obama.  Planet Bandit.



Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on March 19, 2008, 02:14:36 PM
This may surprise some of you coming from me, but these are just three polls in time and what a time it was.  I mean, these polls were ALL THREE done right smack dab in the middle of the Wright affair and it is obviously reflecting Obama's absolute bottom in the middle of an extreme negative news cycle.

Therefore, I don't attach much if any importance to any of these.

However, watch the Hillary people jump on these and try to use them to try and convince everyone that Hillary is the stronger candidate.  I think the super delegates are too smart for that in that they know that a couple of polls don't mean much now.  Obama will do better when this thing passes.  I think it will hurt him some in the long run but no where near what is reflected in these polls.



I will admit to not being an expert on the south, but it is my personal feeling that while Obama will likely rebound from the Wright scandal in the northern states among white voters, his reputation among southern white voters is tarnished enough to permanently count him out in those longshot southern states it was once thought he'd have a shot at winning.

He'll never rebound from this 100% in the south.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on March 19, 2008, 02:16:29 PM
I will admit to not being an expert on the south, but it is my personal feeling that while Obama will likely rebound from the Wright scandal in the northern states among white voters, his reputation among southern white voters is tarnished enough to permanently count him out in those longshot southern states it was once thought he'd have a shot at winning.

He'll never rebound from this 100% in the south.

Maybe it's time to resume Reconstruction then.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Joe Republic on March 19, 2008, 02:17:59 PM
BTW, Bandit claims to be from Kentucky but doesn't seem to know that EVERY poll taken has shown Clinton running much better in Kentucky than Obama.  Planet Bandit.

The guy believes that the Democrats consistently win elections in Kentucky, but the Republicans steal victory from them each and every time.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: agcatter on March 19, 2008, 02:18:36 PM
Moderate, I mostly agree with your post although I don't think he will bounce all the way back to where he was with northern whites.  However, you are correct with your general assessment.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Tender Branson on March 19, 2008, 02:19:33 PM
This may surprise some of you coming from me, but these are just three polls in time and what a time it was.  I mean, these polls were ALL THREE done right smack dab in the middle of the Wright affair and it is obviously reflecting Obama's absolute bottom in the middle of an extreme negative news cycle.

Therefore, I don't attach much if any importance to any of these.

However, watch the Hillary people jump on these and try to use them to try and convince everyone that Hillary is the stronger candidate.  I think the super delegates are too smart for that in that they know that a couple of polls don't mean much now.  Obama will do better when this thing passes.  I think it will hurt him some in the long run but no where near what is reflected in these polls.



I will admit to not being an expert on the south, but it is my personal feeling that while Obama will likely rebound from the Wright scandal in the northern states among white voters, his reputation among southern white voters is tarnished enough to permanently count him out in those longshot southern states it was once thought he'd have a shot at winning.

He'll never rebound from this 100% in the south.

Currently Obama has only to rebound in Michigan and Pennsylvania to win the Presidency (maybe in NJ and NH as well, but I think they won´t vote for McCain anyway). I also assume he´s still ahead or tied in NV, CO, WI. All other states seem to be safe Obama, even during this current "crisis".


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on March 19, 2008, 02:20:14 PM
The guy believes that the Democrats consistently win elections in Kentucky, but the Republicans steal victory from them each and every time.

How do you explain the "vote hauling" double standard then?


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on March 19, 2008, 02:27:57 PM
This may surprise some of you coming from me, but these are just three polls in time and what a time it was.  I mean, these polls were ALL THREE done right smack dab in the middle of the Wright affair and it is obviously reflecting Obama's absolute bottom in the middle of an extreme negative news cycle.

Therefore, I don't attach much if any importance to any of these.

However, watch the Hillary people jump on these and try to use them to try and convince everyone that Hillary is the stronger candidate.  I think the super delegates are too smart for that in that they know that a couple of polls don't mean much now.  Obama will do better when this thing passes.  I think it will hurt him some in the long run but no where near what is reflected in these polls.



I will admit to not being an expert on the south, but it is my personal feeling that while Obama will likely rebound from the Wright scandal in the northern states among white voters, his reputation among southern white voters is tarnished enough to permanently count him out in those longshot southern states it was once thought he'd have a shot at winning.

He'll never rebound from this 100% in the south.

Currently Obama has only to rebound in Michigan and Pennsylvania to win the Presidency (maybe in NJ and NH as well, but I think they won´t vote for McCain anyway). I also assume he´s still ahead or tied in NV, CO, WI. All other states seem to be safe Obama, even during this current "crisis".

After this scandal, I'm not sure you can assume he's ahead in NV, CO, and WI, and Obama was in trouble in Pennsylvania before the scandal broke.

Right now, the simple electoral math isn't looking terrific for Obama.  He might pick up some states like Colorado, Iowa, and maybe Nevada, but as things stand now, he'll lose Florida and Ohio to McCain, might lose Pennsylvania, Michigan, and New Hampshire to boot.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on March 19, 2008, 02:28:57 PM
Moderate, I mostly agree with your post although I don't think he will bounce all the way back to where he was with northern whites.  However, you are correct with your general assessment.

Well, I don't think he'll get all the way back either, but the effect will be largely muted in comparison with the effect of the Wright affair in those initially-friendly southern states.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Person Man on March 19, 2008, 02:28:57 PM
This may surprise some of you coming from me, but these are just three polls in time and what a time it was.  I mean, these polls were ALL THREE done right smack dab in the middle of the Wright affair and it is obviously reflecting Obama's absolute bottom in the middle of an extreme negative news cycle.

Therefore, I don't attach much if any importance to any of these.

However, watch the Hillary people jump on these and try to use them to try and convince everyone that Hillary is the stronger candidate.  I think the super delegates are too smart for that in that they know that a couple of polls don't mean much now.  Obama will do better when this thing passes.  I think it will hurt him some in the long run but no where near what is reflected in these polls.



I will admit to not being an expert on the south, but it is my personal feeling that while Obama will likely rebound from the Wright scandal in the northern states among white voters, his reputation among southern white voters is tarnished enough to permanently count him out in those longshot southern states it was once thought he'd have a shot at winning.

He'll never rebound from this 100% in the south.

Currently Obama has only to rebound in Michigan and Pennsylvania to win the Presidency (maybe in NJ and NH as well, but I think they won´t vote for McCain anyway). I also assume he´s still ahead or tied in NV, CO, WI. All other states seem to be safe Obama, even during this current "crisis".

Well, whatever state is still at least tied in today he will probably win in the election.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Joe Republic on March 19, 2008, 02:29:43 PM
The guy believes that the Democrats consistently win elections in Kentucky, but the Republicans steal victory from them each and every time.

How do you explain the "vote hauling" double standard then?

The best explanation I can provide is that, generally, you make things up.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on March 19, 2008, 02:31:24 PM
What's the effect of the Hagee scandal on McCain?

You know, the scandal the racist media won't cover.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Tender Branson on March 19, 2008, 02:31:54 PM
This may surprise some of you coming from me, but these are just three polls in time and what a time it was.  I mean, these polls were ALL THREE done right smack dab in the middle of the Wright affair and it is obviously reflecting Obama's absolute bottom in the middle of an extreme negative news cycle.

Therefore, I don't attach much if any importance to any of these.

However, watch the Hillary people jump on these and try to use them to try and convince everyone that Hillary is the stronger candidate.  I think the super delegates are too smart for that in that they know that a couple of polls don't mean much now.  Obama will do better when this thing passes.  I think it will hurt him some in the long run but no where near what is reflected in these polls.



I will admit to not being an expert on the south, but it is my personal feeling that while Obama will likely rebound from the Wright scandal in the northern states among white voters, his reputation among southern white voters is tarnished enough to permanently count him out in those longshot southern states it was once thought he'd have a shot at winning.

He'll never rebound from this 100% in the south.

Currently Obama has only to rebound in Michigan and Pennsylvania to win the Presidency (maybe in NJ and NH as well, but I think they won´t vote for McCain anyway). I also assume he´s still ahead or tied in NV, CO, WI. All other states seem to be safe Obama, even during this current "crisis".

Well, whatever state is still at least tied in today he will probably win in the election.

No, not if the Republican smear machine runs a few of these spots (incl. possible new material ?) in the Oct. 27 week ...


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on March 19, 2008, 02:34:20 PM
My take on these phony polls:

http://onlinelunchpail.blogspot.com/2008/03/everybodys-gone-surveysurveyusa.html


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: agcatter on March 19, 2008, 02:43:28 PM
That's some blog, Bandit.  Wow, it says you saw a survey taken last week showing Obama beating McCain in Kentucky?

Where was it taken?  Central Louiville?  How about a link please.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on March 19, 2008, 02:46:22 PM
That's some blog, Bandit.  Wow, it says you saw a survey taken last week showing Obama beating McCain in Kentucky?

This wasn't last week. This was a few weeks ago.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Alcon on March 19, 2008, 02:47:45 PM
What's the effect of the Hagee scandal on McCain?

You know, the scandal the racist media won't cover.

You've answered your own question.

My take on these phony polls:

http://onlinelunchpail.blogspot.com/2008/03/everybodys-gone-surveysurveyusa.html

Let's count the errors:

1. There are plenty of other polls that show Obama doing worse than Clinton against McCain in other states, although this region is especially bad for him.  And, no, relative to Ohio, Tennessee, Missouri and Arkansas, Ohio isn't "special" at all - it's fitting quite in to its typical pattern.

2. Obama has never led McCain in poll of Kentucky.  The last SUSA poll to show a Dem up against McCain was last November.  Clinton led Giuliani by 4, and McCain by 1.  Giuliani led Obama by 14 and McCain slaughtered him by 22.

3. None of this matters, since you've decided that any result differing from your analysis is an indicator of voter fraud.  You are the best political analyst in history.  You know how the votes were actually cast, and what the voters actually replied to the polls with.  You should re-write the Bible.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Joe Republic on March 19, 2008, 02:48:37 PM
That's some blog, Bandit.  Wow, it says you saw a survey taken last week showing Obama beating McCain in Kentucky?

This wasn't last week. This was a few weeks ago.

He asked you for a link.  Are we to assume you made this up too?


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Tender Branson on March 19, 2008, 02:49:46 PM
That's some blog, Bandit.  Wow, it says you saw a survey taken last week showing Obama beating McCain in Kentucky?

This wasn't last week. This was a few weeks ago.

According to what I know (and I know lots of recent polls) there has been no poll from a respected pollster that showed Obama ahead of McCain in ANY of the southern states, let alone Kentucky.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on March 19, 2008, 02:54:09 PM
2. Obama has never led McCain in poll of Kentucky.  The last SUSA poll to show a Dem up against McCain was last November.

I wasn't talking about just SurveyUSA polls. I was also talking about WTVQ and WHAS polls and such.

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Giuliani led Obama by 14

Riiiiight.

Quote
3. None of this matters, since you've decided that any result differing from your analysis is an indicator of voter fraud.  You are the best political analyst in history.  You know how the votes were actually cast, and what the voters actually replied to the polls with.

I know what the votes are, because I'm from the state being polled, and I actually get to listen to what people in Kentucky say.

Quote
You should re-write the Bible.

In the beginning, SurveyUSA is full of fart gas.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: agcatter on March 19, 2008, 02:56:02 PM
You get around the state pretty good, don't you.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: jesmo on March 19, 2008, 02:57:20 PM
This poll is to Obama-biased, and too anti-Clinton. Clearly, Obama would be under 30% in all three states, and Clinton would easily Missouri by 10 or so.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Joe Republic on March 19, 2008, 02:57:51 PM
3. None of this matters, since you've decided that any result differing from your analysis is an indicator of voter fraud.  You are the best political analyst in history.  You know how the votes were actually cast, and what the voters actually replied to the polls with.

I know what the votes are, because I'm from the state being polled, and I actually get to listen to what people in Kentucky say.

You know what everybody in the entire state of Kentucky says?  I'm sorry, but I would much rather pay attention to an organization with a scientific method of measuring opinions than a guy with nothing but anecdotal evidence and a history of making things up to support his arguments.

Found a link to that poll showing Obama beating McCain yet?


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on March 19, 2008, 03:04:30 PM
I'm sorry, but I would much rather pay attention to an organization with a scientific method of measuring opinions than a guy with nothing but anecdotal evidence and a history of making things up to support his arguments.

You'd rather pay attention to an organization with a scientific method of measuring opinions than to Bush? Well, that's fair.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: agcatter on March 19, 2008, 03:15:47 PM
Hey Bandit.  Found that poll link yet?


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Joe Republic on March 19, 2008, 03:16:25 PM
I'm sorry, but I would much rather pay attention to an organization with a scientific method of measuring opinions than a guy with nothing but anecdotal evidence and a history of making things up to support his arguments.

You'd rather pay attention to an organization with a scientific method of measuring opinions than to Bush? Well, that's fair.

Cute.  Now if you can't provide the link to that poll you cited showing Obama beating McCain in Kentucky, then I have no choice but to call you out for lying yet again.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on March 19, 2008, 03:37:00 PM
Like I'm supposed to keep a link I thought I had no use for a month later.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on March 19, 2008, 03:37:51 PM
If you wanted the link so bad, you should have asked for it 3 weeks ago before I threw it away.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: agcatter on March 19, 2008, 03:40:08 PM
Sorry, our mistake.  No doubt you did have it.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Joe Republic on March 19, 2008, 03:40:56 PM
If you wanted the link so bad, you should have asked for it 3 weeks ago before I threw it away.

How convenient.  Did you even attempt to tell anybody here about the existence of this poll three weeks ago?

Can you remember the polling organization?  If you can, it won't take long for us to find it for you.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on March 19, 2008, 03:44:01 PM
How convenient.  Did you even attempt to tell anybody here about the existence of this poll three weeks ago?

Because people here seem so eager to post other polls, I just figured back then that someone posted it.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Joe Republic on March 19, 2008, 03:45:12 PM
How convenient.  Did you even attempt to tell anybody here about the existence of this poll three weeks ago?

Because people here seem so eager to post other polls, I just figured back then that someone posted it.

Did you think to check?  And please answer my other question.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Gustaf on March 19, 2008, 03:45:38 PM
Interesting. This will probably pass, but Obama better hope polls aren't showing something like this later on once the remaining super delegates are to make up their minds. I think Clinton is actually enormously disappointed right now, because she needed something like this to emerge at the exact right time to convince the supers to flock to her. We'll see whether this stays or whether something else pops up.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on March 19, 2008, 03:47:28 PM

I didn't know I had to babysit this website.

But apparently I do, considering the maturity level that's been displayed here today.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Joe Republic on March 19, 2008, 03:51:58 PM
Oh for crying out loud.  You will either make the effort to find the link again and post it here - which really should have been memorable enough if you referenced it in a blog entry - or I will assume you are lying.  I have no reason not to do so, as you have been caught doing so several times before.

And do not accuse others of immaturity while making comments like "SurveyUSA is full of fart gas".


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on March 19, 2008, 03:54:55 PM
Since you're the one who thinks the link is so important, find it yourself.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Joe Republic on March 19, 2008, 03:56:29 PM
The onus is on you to provide evidence for your own assertions.  Why should I search for something that most likely does not exist?


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on March 19, 2008, 03:58:29 PM
The onus is on you to provide evidence for your own assertions.  Why should I search for something that most likely does not exist?

Because it bips.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Joe Republic on March 19, 2008, 04:03:56 PM
Uh... okay.

I give up with you.  You've been caught lying yet again, Bandit.  Next time you start spouting off an argument, back it up with facts.  Don't just make things up, or absolutely nobody will ever take you seriously.  I certainly can't.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on March 19, 2008, 04:07:37 PM
I give up with you.  You've been caught lying yet again, Bandit.  Next time you start spouting off an argument, back it up with facts.  Don't just make things up, or absolutely nobody will ever take you seriously.  I certainly can't.

The Obama-haters at ABC need to back up their arguments with facts.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Smash255 on March 19, 2008, 04:56:55 PM
I give up with you.  You've been caught lying yet again, Bandit.  Next time you start spouting off an argument, back it up with facts.  Don't just make things up, or absolutely nobody will ever take you seriously.  I certainly can't.

The Obama-haters at ABC need to back up their arguments with facts.

Bandit your deliusonal if you think Obama would do well in Kentucky.  I am a strong Obama supporter, but fact of the matter is you live in a right wing extremeist hell hole of a state.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on March 19, 2008, 04:59:45 PM
Bandit your deliusonal if you think Obama would do well in Kentucky.

He'd do great compared to Hillary.

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I am a strong Obama supporter, but fact of the matter is you live in a right wing extremeist hell hole of a state.

Boone and Spencer are only 2 counties.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Sam Spade on March 19, 2008, 05:02:01 PM
Although these polls are not worth much in the long run (though who knows), this poll (along with others) is the reason why you saw the Obama speech yesterday.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: agcatter on March 19, 2008, 08:46:05 PM
Exactly right.  These polls compared to Survey USA's polls in February - the internals tell it all.

Among white voters:

Ohio:
Obama went from down 7 to down 19

Mo.
Obama went from down 3 to down 23

Kentucky
Obama went from down 35 to down 43
(I didn't think it could get any worse here)

Memo to Obama.  Don't pick Reverand Wright as your running mate.  In a sense, he already is.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: War on Want on March 19, 2008, 08:50:57 PM
Exactly right.  These polls compared to Survey USA's polls in February - the internals tell it all.

Among white voters:

Ohio:
Obama went from down 7 to down 19

Mo.
Obama went from down 3 to down 23

Kentucky
Obama went from down 35 to down 43
(I didn't think it could get any worse here)

Memo to Obama.  Don't pick Reverand Wright as your running mate.  In a sense, he already is.
Scary


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: agcatter on March 19, 2008, 08:53:31 PM
The good news for Obama is that this doesn't necessary mean it's a permanent deal.  In fact, I think he'll get at least some of those whites back after this newscycle runs its course.  Heck, we're 8 months out.


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Democratic Hawk on March 19, 2008, 09:02:27 PM
Should the Democratic nominee be Obama, if OH and MO want more of the failed same with John McCain, that's their problem. Obama and Clinton are closer on the issues than either are to McCain

I'm not expectating KY to be anything other but Republican. It has two senators well to its economic right. Sad really

Obama is still the same man running for president as he was on Feb 5, when he won the Democratic primary in MO. He hasn't changed

Dave


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Democratic Hawk on March 19, 2008, 09:08:30 PM
The good news for Obama is that this doesn't necessary mean it's a permanent deal.  In fact, I think he'll get at least some of those whites back after this newscycle runs its course.  Heck, we're 8 months out.

No reason why he shouldn't given the FACT that Obama is not running for the Black man [sic] any more than he is for the White man [sic], the Latino man [sic], the Asian-American man [sic] or the Native American man [sic]

That is why I endorsed him :)

Dave


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Aizen on March 19, 2008, 10:35:50 PM
If Obama is losing by 36 points right now in KY, I wonder how bad he'd be doing in Oklahoma!


Title: Re: OH/MO/KY-SurveyUSA: Clinton better positioned than Obama to beat McCain
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on March 19, 2008, 10:39:37 PM
Bandit your deliusonal if you think Obama would do well in Kentucky.

He'd do great compared to Hillary.

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I am a strong Obama supporter, but fact of the matter is you live in a right wing extremeist hell hole of a state.

Boone and Spencer are only 2 counties.

So allowing the Republicans to cross 60% in Kentucky is better than what Hillary could do?