Title: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: © tweed on February 03, 2004, 04:02:16 PM I made a thread like this for the Dem primaries. I started with 1972:
1972: Muskie 1976: Carter 1980: Kennedy 1984: Hart 1988: Gore 1992: Tsongas 1996: Clinton (uncontested) 2000: Gore Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 03, 2004, 04:24:08 PM 1972: Muskie
1976: Carter 1980: Carter or Kennedy (depends on my employment status) 1984: Hart 1988: Gore 1992: Clinton 1996: Clinton (uncontested) 2000: Gore Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Taft on February 04, 2004, 01:14:23 AM 1972: Wallace or Jackson
1976: Jackson 1980: Kennedy(dump-Carter vote) 1984: Hart 1988: Gore 1992: Brown 1996: Paulsen(:-D) 2000: Gore Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Nation on February 04, 2004, 02:10:19 AM 72: Muskie
76: Carter 80: Carter 84: Mondale 88: Tanner ( :D ) 92: Tsongas 96: Clinton 00: Bradley Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Huckleberry Finn on February 04, 2004, 10:06:18 AM 72: Muskie (better than McGovernment I suppose)
76: Carter (?) 80: ? 84: Hart (??) 88: ? (Dukakis???) 92: Clinton 96: Clinton 00: Bradley (Has more charisma than Gore) 04: Edwards Honestly saying: I haven't enough knowledge for decision making except about elections since 92 ) Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: © tweed on February 04, 2004, 04:27:57 PM 72: Muskie (better than McGovernment I suppose) 76: Carter (?) 80: ? 84: Hart (??) 88: ? (Dukakis???) 92: Clinton 96: Clinton 00: Bradley (Has more charisma than Gore) 04: Edwards Honestly saying: I haven't enough knowledge for decision making except about elections since 92 ) 1972: Wallace, Muskie, McGovern 1976: Carter, Wallace and other people 1980: Incumbent Carter and Ted Kennedy 1984: Hart, Mondale, Jesse Jackson, others 1988: Gore, Gephardt, Jackson, Dukakis, others 1992: Tsongas, Clinton, Brown, Harkin 1996: Clinton Uncontested 2000: Gore, Bradley When I say others, I can't remember the othe candidate that were in the race, mostly minor candidates. Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Gustaf on February 04, 2004, 04:31:49 PM 72: Muskie (better than McGovernment I suppose) 76: Carter (?) 80: ? 84: Hart (??) 88: ? (Dukakis???) 92: Clinton 96: Clinton 00: Bradley (Has more charisma than Gore) 04: Edwards Honestly saying: I haven't enough knowledge for decision making except about elections since 92 ) 1972: Wallace, Muskie, McGovern 1976: Carter, Wallace and other people 1980: Incumbent Carter and Ted Kennedy 1984: Hart, Mondale, Jesse Jackson, others 1988: Gore, Gephardt, Jackson, Dukakis, others 1992: Tsongas, Clinton, Brown, Harkin 1996: Clinton Uncontested 2000: Gore, Bradley When I say others, I can't remember the othe candidate that were in the race, mostly minor candidates. I know the other 1976 candidates: Scoop Jackson, Mo Udall, B. Bayh, Lloyd Bentsen, Frank Church, X. Saunders, Jerry Brown, Ed Harris, those are the ones I recall. Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: © tweed on February 04, 2004, 04:32:36 PM Stop showing me up Gustaf :)
Just kidding, thanks. Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Gustaf on February 04, 2004, 04:33:39 PM Stop showing me up Gustaf :) Just kidding, thanks. You're welcome. I got lucky, by coincidence I happen to have an extreme amount of knowledge about the 1976 election. Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: © tweed on February 04, 2004, 04:41:51 PM Stop showing me up Gustaf :) Just kidding, thanks. You're welcome. I got lucky, by coincidence I happen to have an extreme amount of knowledge about the 1976 election. Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Huckleberry Finn on February 04, 2004, 04:42:34 PM I would have chosen Gephardt in 1988.
Wallace sounds very bad, so I stay with Carter. Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Gustaf on February 04, 2004, 04:43:34 PM Stop showing me up Gustaf :) Just kidding, thanks. You're welcome. I got lucky, by coincidence I happen to have an extreme amount of knowledge about the 1976 election. I ended up in a vacation resort in the West Indies with little to do, and stumbled across a book by Jules Witcover on the 1976 election. It sparkled my interest in US elections, in fact. But it was a really thick book... ;) Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: © tweed on February 04, 2004, 04:46:36 PM I ended up in a vacation resort in the West Indies with little to do, and stumbled across a book by Jules Witcover on the 1976 election. It sparkled my interest in US elections, in fact. But it was a really thick book... ;) Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Huckleberry Finn on February 04, 2004, 04:47:08 PM BTW. I have some early memories about Mondale/Hart race. I was ten years old.
Mondela was weak. But Hart cheated his wife. Right? So they both were bad candidates. Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Gustaf on February 04, 2004, 04:48:23 PM I ended up in a vacation resort in the West Indies with little to do, and stumbled across a book by Jules Witcover on the 1976 election. It sparkled my interest in US elections, in fact. But it was a really thick book... ;) I like these elections as well. :) But there should be another one with several candidates over 10% somewhere... Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: © tweed on February 04, 2004, 04:50:13 PM I like these elections as well. :) But there should be another one with several candidates over 10% somewhere... Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: © tweed on February 04, 2004, 04:55:48 PM 4 candidates olled above 15% in Nevada in 1912.
Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: MAS117 on February 04, 2004, 06:51:54 PM 1972: Humphrey
1976: Carter 1980: Carter or Kennedy 1984: Hart or Mondale 1992: Clinton 1996: Clinton 2000: Gore 2004: Kerry Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Nym90 on February 04, 2004, 07:39:42 PM The Hart/Donna Rice scandal didn't break until 1987 though, when he was the early front-runner for the 1988 nomination.
Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Lt. Gov. Immy on February 04, 2004, 08:19:19 PM 1972: McGovern
1976: Frank Church (Did you have to ask?) 1980: Ted Kennedy 1984: Hart 1988: Gephardt 1992: Clinton 1996: Clinton Uncontested 2000: Gore 2004: Edwards Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: 12th Doctor on February 04, 2004, 09:16:06 PM 72: Muskie (better than McGovernment I suppose) 76: Carter (?) 80: ? 84: Hart (??) 88: ? (Dukakis???) 92: Clinton 96: Clinton 00: Bradley (Has more charisma than Gore) 04: Edwards Honestly saying: I haven't enough knowledge for decision making except about elections since 92 ) 1972: Wallace, Muskie, McGovern 1976: Carter, Wallace and other people 1980: Incumbent Carter and Ted Kennedy 1984: Hart, Mondale, Jesse Jackson, others 1988: Gore, Gephardt, Jackson, Dukakis, others 1992: Tsongas, Clinton, Brown, Harkin 1996: Clinton Uncontested 2000: Gore, Bradley When I say others, I can't remember the othe candidate that were in the race, mostly minor candidates. I know the other 1976 candidates: Scoop Jackson, Mo Udall, B. Bayh, Lloyd Bentsen, Frank Church, X. Saunders, Jerry Brown, Ed Harris, those are the ones I recall. Don't you mean Fred Harris? And you guys, Clinton wasn't uncontested in '96. what about Lyndon LaRouch? Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Nation on February 05, 2004, 12:06:48 AM LaRouche doesn't count. He runs every time, and fails miserably.
Anyone get my Tanner '88 joke? Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Gustaf on February 05, 2004, 11:21:58 AM 72: Muskie (better than McGovernment I suppose) 76: Carter (?) 80: ? 84: Hart (??) 88: ? (Dukakis???) 92: Clinton 96: Clinton 00: Bradley (Has more charisma than Gore) 04: Edwards Honestly saying: I haven't enough knowledge for decision making except about elections since 92 ) 1972: Wallace, Muskie, McGovern 1976: Carter, Wallace and other people 1980: Incumbent Carter and Ted Kennedy 1984: Hart, Mondale, Jesse Jackson, others 1988: Gore, Gephardt, Jackson, Dukakis, others 1992: Tsongas, Clinton, Brown, Harkin 1996: Clinton Uncontested 2000: Gore, Bradley When I say others, I can't remember the othe candidate that were in the race, mostly minor candidates. I know the other 1976 candidates: Scoop Jackson, Mo Udall, B. Bayh, Lloyd Bentsen, Frank Church, X. Saunders, Jerry Brown, Ed Harris, those are the ones I recall. Don't you mean Fred Harris? And you guys, Clinton wasn't uncontested in '96. what about Lyndon LaRouch? Yeah, Fred Harris...Fred, Ed, what 's the difference? ;) Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Gustaf on February 05, 2004, 02:57:48 PM 4 candidates olled above 15% in Nevada in 1912. Taft, the incumbent, finished 4th behind Debs in both Arizona and Nevada! That's immensely cool, imo. So you could Arizona to the list, Taft's 12.74% earned him 4th place there. Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Gustaf on February 05, 2004, 03:01:52 PM Debs ran 4th place in Washington with 12% of the vote as well. And Eugene Chafin, Prohibition, ran 5th place with 3.04%. I wonder if that's a 5th place record? :)
Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Gustaf on February 05, 2004, 03:04:43 PM Oregon is slightly better...in California, Taft finsihed 5th place, behind Roosvelt, Wilson, Debs and Chafin, with 0.58% of the vote in write-ins. H-U-M-I-L-I-A-T-I-O-N! :D
Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Gustaf on February 05, 2004, 03:07:50 PM 1912 is now officially my favourite election. I am letting my passion destroy this thread, but it's really cool! Debs actually ran 2nd in Florida! :) And since Chafin got 3.65% in 5th place there, I think that might be a record.
Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Gustaf on February 05, 2004, 03:13:07 PM And there's Montana where Debs got 13.64% of the vote and finished 4th! I'm gonna stop now, btw... ;)
Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: © tweed on February 05, 2004, 03:51:30 PM 1912 is now officially my favourite election. I am letting my passion destroy this thread, but it's really cool! Debs actually ran 2nd in Florida! :) And since Chafin got 3.65% in 5th place there, I think that might be a record. Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Gustaf on February 05, 2004, 04:28:12 PM 1912 is now officially my favourite election. I am letting my passion destroy this thread, but it's really cool! Debs actually ran 2nd in Florida! :) And since Chafin got 3.65% in 5th place there, I think that might be a record. Yes you did, and yes it is! :) Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 05, 2004, 04:29:56 PM Ah... yes... 1912 :)
Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: TheWildCard on February 05, 2004, 04:42:23 PM Yes 1912 was indeed the most chaotic because TR ran under his own Bull Moose party otherwise Taft would have won that election by almost 1M(if you give TR's to Taft)
Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Gustaf on February 05, 2004, 04:44:02 PM Yes 1912 was indeed the most chaotic because TR ran under his own Bull Moose party otherwise Taft would have won that election by almost 1M(if you give TR's to Taft) I am not sure on whether EVERY Roosvelt voter would've gone for Taft, but I agree that most would have, and that Taft would then have won. Still, you should probably give Debs voters to Wilson if you're gonna make a fair "what-if". Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: M on February 07, 2004, 01:59:41 AM If Roosevelt had won, we'd have entered the war in 1915 after the Lusitania, beat the Central Powers by 1916. Russia never collapses. Russia and Austria not dismembered (Now, Turkey, on the other hand...). Europe still ruled by emperors. Second Great War will be completely different.
Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Nym90 on February 07, 2004, 02:04:39 AM Waay too simplistic to say that all of Roosevelt's vote would have gone to Taft. Roosevelt was a Republican, but a pretty liberal one, while Taft was much more conservative. A pretty good portion of Roosevelt's vote would have gone to Wilson, and he almost certainly still would have won if Roosevelt hadn't been a candidate. Taft was not held in high regard by the voters in 1912.
Now, if Roosevelt had been the GOP nominee instead of Taft, then Roosevelt quite possibly would have won as he would have won the great majority of Taft's votes. The GOP didn't want to dump the incumbent president off of the ticket, though. Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: minionofmidas on February 07, 2004, 02:26:31 AM Waay too simplistic to say that all of Roosevelt's vote would have gone to Taft. Roosevelt was a Republican, but a pretty liberal one, while Taft was much more conservative. A pretty good portion of Roosevelt's vote would have gone to Wilson, and he almost certainly still would have won if Roosevelt hadn't been a candidate. Taft was not held in high regard by the voters in 1912. Now, if Roosevelt had been the GOP nominee instead of Taft, then Roosevelt quite possibly would have won as he would have won the great majority of Taft's votes. The GOP didn't want to dump the incumbent president off of the ticket, though. Roosevelt would have definitely won, quite possibly with more votes than he and Taft received combined. Taft, who was not nearly as conservative as he's sometimes made out (but large parts of his cabinets were) would have won wirgut Roosevelt's candidacy, but probably only narrowly. it might have taken a more progressive running mate, but to assume that Taft is the nominee and Roosevelt doesnt run against him implys a quite progressive platfrm and a Roosevelt-handpicked running mate anyways. Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: minionofmidas on February 07, 2004, 02:35:21 AM 1912 is now officially my favourite election. I am letting my passion destroy this thread, but it's really cool! Debs actually ran 2nd in Florida! :) And since Chafin got 3.65% in 5th place there, I think that might be a record. Yes you did, and yes it is! :) You salvaged it, man, you didn't destroy it. There are five states where four candidates polled over 10% in 1912: Az, ID, MT, NV, WA. There are only two more states where this ever happened, if I looked right. Missouri in 1860 and Illinois in 1824. William Crawford's 18,1% there are the record for fourth place, not Taft's 15,9 in Nevada. Of course in both 1824 and 1860 it also happened in the Nation at large, but extreme reegional polarization ensures there's only one state each with the same pattern. and of course the national result for 124 is flawed because quite a number of states didn't hold a popular vote yet, and Clay might be below 10% otherwise. Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Gustaf on February 07, 2004, 08:10:51 AM If Roosevelt had won, we'd have entered the war in 1915 after the Lusitania, beat the Central Powers by 1916. Russia never collapses. Russia and Austria not dismembered (Now, Turkey, on the other hand...). Europe still ruled by emperors. Second Great War will be completely different. I think Austria, at least, would probably have disintegrated anyway, especially after losing, but you could well be right on Russia. Interesting scenario... Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: minionofmidas on February 07, 2004, 08:17:06 AM If Roosevelt had won, we'd have entered the war in 1915 after the Lusitania, beat the Central Powers by 1916. Russia never collapses. Russia and Austria not dismembered (Now, Turkey, on the other hand...). Europe still ruled by emperors. Second Great War will be completely different. I think Austria, at least, would probably have disintegrated anyway, especially after losing, but you could well be right on Russia. Interesting scenario... Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Gustaf on February 07, 2004, 08:23:53 AM If Roosevelt had won, we'd have entered the war in 1915 after the Lusitania, beat the Central Powers by 1916. Russia never collapses. Russia and Austria not dismembered (Now, Turkey, on the other hand...). Europe still ruled by emperors. Second Great War will be completely different. I think Austria, at least, would probably have disintegrated anyway, especially after losing, but you could well be right on Russia. Interesting scenario... Ehem...yeah, I suppose that's good point.... *goes away to hide in a hole* :( Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: 7,052,770 on February 07, 2004, 08:24:07 AM 1912 is one my favorite eletions.
I also love 1860--Lincoln wins with 39% of the pv, basically 3 Dems running against him and each other. Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Gustaf on February 07, 2004, 08:47:45 AM 1912 is one my favorite eletions. I also love 1860--Lincoln wins with 39% of the pv, basically 3 Dems running against him and each other. The cool thing is that Lincoln would have won even if the others had combined their votes! Proves the weirdness of teh EC. Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: © tweed on February 07, 2004, 09:23:48 AM The cool thing is that Lincoln would have won even if the others had combined their votes! Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Taft on February 07, 2004, 08:11:53 PM I ended up in a vacation resort in the West Indies with little to do, and stumbled across a book by Jules Witcover on the 1976 election. It sparkled my interest in US elections, in fact. But it was a really thick book... ;) Edit: This is what I get for not reading the whole thread before posting... Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Frodo on September 18, 2005, 03:11:16 PM 1972 -Sen. Henry 'Scoop' Jackson (WA)
1976 -Gov. Jimmy Carter (GA) 1980 -(Would not have voted in Democratic primary that year) 1984 -Sen. Gary Hart (CO) 1988 -Sen. Al Gore (TN) 1992 -Gov. Bill Clinton (AR) 1996 -President Clinton (uncontested) 2000 -Vice-President Al Gore 2004 -Sen. John Edwards (NC) Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Frodo on September 18, 2005, 03:20:28 PM And for anyone who wants to know who ran in which party's primaries, check this site out:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/8088/ElectPandC.html Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: © tweed on September 18, 2005, 06:32:24 PM And for anyone who wants to know who ran in which party's primaries, check this site out: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/8088/ElectPandC.html The bumping of these threads and that link seems to be putting me back in February 2004. Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on September 19, 2005, 02:29:52 AM 1972. Muskie
1976. Carter 1980. Carter 1984. Hart 1988. Gore 1992. Brown 1996. Clinton 2000. Gore (without hindsight voted Bradley) Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: © tweed on September 19, 2005, 02:33:39 PM Let do this again now, 18 months later.
1972: McGovern 1976: Carter 1980: Kennedy 1984: Hart 1988: Gore 1992: Clinton 1996: Clinton 2000: Gore 2004: Edwards Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: True Democrat on September 19, 2005, 05:30:14 PM 1972: NOTA
1976: Maybe Jerry Brown or Jackson, No really good candidates 1980: I don't know, of the two Carter 1984: Either Hollings, Hart, or Glenn 1988: Gore 1992: Clinton 1996: Clinton 2000: Gore, I guess 2004: Clark Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: © tweed on September 19, 2005, 05:31:42 PM 1972: NOTA 1976: Maybe Jerry Brown or Jackson, No really good candidates 1980: I don't know, of the two Carter 1984: Either Hollings, Hart, or Glenn 1988: Gore 1992: Clinton 1996: Clinton 2000: Gore, I guess 2004: Clark Clark would have ran as a Republican in 2004 is that was the open nomination. There's nothing to prove that he's a Democrat outside of comments he made in October 2003. I would have had alot of problems supporting him in the general had he come away with the nomination. Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: True Democrat on September 19, 2005, 09:38:34 PM 1972: NOTA 1976: Maybe Jerry Brown or Jackson, No really good candidates 1980: I don't know, of the two Carter 1984: Either Hollings, Hart, or Glenn 1988: Gore 1992: Clinton 1996: Clinton 2000: Gore, I guess 2004: Clark Clark would have ran as a Republican in 2004 is that was the open nomination. There's nothing to prove that he's a Democrat outside of comments he made in October 2003. I would have had alot of problems supporting him in the general had he come away with the nomination. Look at my PC score and look back at your comments. ;) Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: The Dowager Mod on September 21, 2005, 07:26:09 PM Chisolm 72
Udall 76 Kennedy80 Glenn 84 Jackson 88 Clinton 92 Gore 00 Sharpton04 Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: DanielX on September 21, 2005, 08:42:28 PM I'm a Republican... but I'll answer anyway. Keep in mind that none of these options are really great:
1972: Jackson 1976: Jackson or Udall 1980: Ugh... <throws up> 1984: I dunno... Glenn? Hollings? 1988: Gephardt... and that's saying something 1992: Uh... Kerrey... Harkin... wait, did Perot win the North Dakota Democratic Primary? Then Perot! 1996: nobody 2000: Uh... neither Gore nor Bradley strike me... vote LaRouche, and hope for a Bushslide? 2004: Graham, maybe Gephardt or Lieberman Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on September 23, 2005, 07:21:54 AM 1972: Muskie 1976: Carter 1980: Carter or Kennedy (depends on my employment status) 1984: Hart 1988: Gore 1992: Clinton 1996: Clinton (uncontested) 2000: Gore Time+More Knowledge= 1972: Humphrey 1976: Not really sure. Some good candidates there... 1980: Carter 1984: Hollings 1988: Early Gephardt supporter, switch to Gore after he dropped out 1992: Clinton 1996: Clinton 2000: Gore 2004: Initially supported Gephardt, headed neutral when his campaign ran out of steam, then eventually went over to Edwards. Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on September 23, 2005, 09:53:42 AM 1988 - Gore
1992 - Clinton 1996 - Clinton 2000 - Gore 2004 - Edwards Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Speed of Sound on September 23, 2005, 08:30:33 PM Chisolm 72 Udall 76 Kennedy80 Glenn 84 Jackson 88 Clinton 92 Gore 00 Sharpton04 Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Michael Z on September 25, 2005, 09:45:10 PM 1972: Edmund Muskie
1976: Morris Udall or Birch Bayh 1980: Jimmy Carter 1984: Gary Hart 1988: Al Gore 1992: Bill Clinton 1996: uncontested 2000: Bill Bradley 2004: John Edwards Kinda wish I'd done what Al did and compared my new votes with my initial ones, as opposed to deleting my original post in this thread... Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Citizen James on October 08, 2005, 11:00:48 PM 1972 - Humphry
1976 - Carter 1980 - At the time, Carter. Knowing the results in retrospect, give Brown a shot. 1984 - Glenn 1988 - Gore 1992 - Clinton 1996 - Clinton (Hobson's choice). 2000 - Gore 2004 - Clark (actual vote). Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: J. J. on October 09, 2005, 07:42:10 PM 1972: Jackson*
1976: Jackson* 1980: Bush (write-in)* 1984: Hart** 1988: Hart* 1992: Tsongas** 1996: Clinton 2000: McCain (write-in) 2004: Gephardt *People I would have voted for in the general over the GOP nominee **People I might have voted for over the GOP nominee Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Blank Slate on October 19, 2005, 09:11:54 PM I actually did vote in the Democratic primaries of 1984, 1988, 1992, 2000 & 2004. So who I write in, for those years, is who I voted for.
1952 Russell 1956 Stevenson 1960 J. F. Kennedy 1964 L. B. Johnson 1968 R. F. Kennedy 1972 Chisholm 1976 Carter 1980 Carter 1984 Hart 1988 Gore 1992 Brown 1996 Clinton 2000 Gore 2004 Clark Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: bgwah on October 19, 2005, 11:10:28 PM 1972-Jackson
1976-Jackson 1992-Clinton 1996-Clinton 2000-Gore 2004-Kerry Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: TomC on October 20, 2005, 12:52:23 AM 72- Muskie 76- Udall 80- Carter 84- Hart, maybe Glenn 88- Gore 92- Tsongas 96- Clinton 00- gore 04- Edwards Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Andrew on December 24, 2005, 10:20:51 PM Here's who I really did vote for:
1984: Hart 1988: Simon 1992: Tsongas 1996: Clinton was unopposed, so I voted for Lugar in the Republican primary 2000: Bradley 2004: Dean I have an independent avatar because although I am very liberal and I've always supported Democrats for President, I also vote for Republicans (and others) for other offices. I was a member of the Democratic party in 1984 and 1988. Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: WalterMitty on December 25, 2005, 01:46:54 PM 72: muslie
76: udall 80: what an awful choice! abstain. 84: hart 88: another awful choice, but id choose bruce babbit 92: tsongas 96: clinton 00: bradley 04: lieberman Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: © tweed on December 28, 2005, 12:34:24 PM Let do this again now, 18 months later. 1972: McGovern 1976: Carter 1980: Kennedy 1984: Hart 1988: Gore 1992: Clinton 1996: Clinton 2000: Gore 2004: Edwards Time + More Knowledge = 1968: McCarthy 1972: McGovern 1976: Carter 1980: Kennedy 1984: Hart 1988: Dukakis 1992: Tsongas 1996: Clinton 2000: Gore 2004: Edwards Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Q on December 28, 2005, 05:38:49 PM 1952: Truman, then Stevenson
1956: Kefauver 1960: J. Kennedy 1964: n/a 1968: R. Kennedy 1972: Muskie 1976: Carter [So many good candidates this year, but had to go with native son.] 1980: Carter 1984: Glenn 1988: Simon 1992: Tsongas [Several good candidates.] 1996: Clinton 2000: Gore 2004: Clark Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: True Democrat on December 28, 2005, 10:20:44 PM 1972: NOTA 1976: Maybe Jerry Brown or Jackson, No really good candidates 1980: I don't know, of the two Carter 1984: Either Hollings, Hart, or Glenn 1988: Gore 1992: Clinton 1996: Clinton 2000: Gore, I guess 2004: Clark Let's see if it's changed: 1972: Either Muskie or Humphrey 1976: Scoop Jackson 1980: Carter, only b/c Kennedy was the only one 1984: Hollings 1988: Probably Simon, though no great candidates 1992: Clinton 1996: Clinton 2000: Gore 2004: Clark Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: PBrunsel on December 29, 2005, 07:24:40 PM 1924: William McAdoo (CA)
1928: Miriam A. Ferguson (TX) 1932: Al Smith (NY) (Weakest opponent to Hoover) 1936: Al Smith (NY) 1940: John Nance Gardner (TX) 1944: Franklin D. Roosevelt (NY) 1948: Paul V. McNutt (IN) 1952: Harry S Truman (MO) 1956: Averell Harriman (NY) 1960: Lyndon B. Johnson (TX) 1964: Write-In: Harold Hughes (IA) 1968: Hubert Humphrey (MN) 1972: Harold Hughes (IA) 1976: Write-In: Edmund Muskie (ME) 1980: Write-In: Dale Bumpers (AR) 1984: Ernest Hollings (SC) 1988: Paul Simon (IL) 1992: Bob Kerrey (NE) 1996: Write-In: Bob Casey (PA) 2000: Al Gore (TN) 2004: Joseph Lieberman (CT) The 1920s, 1930s, and 1940s had better candidates all around than the more recent times. Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: © tweed on December 24, 2007, 01:39:23 PM Let do this again now, 18 months later. 1972: McGovern 1976: Carter 1980: Kennedy 1984: Hart 1988: Gore 1992: Clinton 1996: Clinton 2000: Gore 2004: Edwards Time + More Knowledge = 1968: McCarthy 1972: McGovern 1976: Carter 1980: Kennedy 1984: Hart 1988: Dukakis 1992: Tsongas 1996: Clinton 2000: Gore 2004: Edwards 1968: McCarthy 1972: McGovern 1976: Carter 1980: Kennedy 1984: Hart 1988: Simon 1992: draft Cuomo / uncommitted 1996: uncommited 2000: Bradley 2004: Dean 2008: Gravel / uncommitted Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: HappyWarrior on December 24, 2007, 01:54:01 PM 1952 Stevenson
1956 Kefauver 1960 J. F. Kennedy 1964 L. B. Johnson 1968 R. F. Kennedy 1972 Muskie 1976 Church 1980 Ted Kennedy 1984 Hart 1988 Biden 1992 Kerrey 1996 Clinton 2000 Gore 2004 Clark Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Frodo on December 24, 2007, 04:05:21 PM 1972 -Sen. Henry 'Scoop' Jackson (WA) 1976 -Gov. Jimmy Carter (GA) 1980 -(Would not have voted in Democratic primary that year) 1984 -Sen. Gary Hart (CO) 1988 -Sen. Al Gore (TN) 1992 -Gov. Bill Clinton (AR) 1996 -President Clinton (uncontested) 2000 -Vice-President Al Gore 2004 -Sen. John Edwards (NC) 1972: Washington Sen. Henry 'Scoop' Jackson 1976: Georgia Gov. Jimmy Carter 1980: Abstain 1984: Colorado Sen. Gary Hart 1988: Tennessee Sen. Al Gore 1992: Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton 1996: President Bill Clinton 2000: Vice-President Al Gore 2004: Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Nutmeg on December 24, 2007, 05:07:17 PM 2008 Senator Barack Obama of Illinois
2004 Former General Wesley Clark 2000 Vice President Al Gore 1996 President Bill Clinton 1992 Former Senator Paul Tsongas of Massachusetts 1988 Senator Paul Simon of Illinois 1984 Senator John Glenn of Ohio 1980 President Jimmy Carter 1976 Former Governor Jimmy Carter of Georgia 1972 Representative Shirley Chisholm of New York 1968 Senator Robert Kennedy of New York 1964 President Lyndon Johnson 1960 Senator John Kennedy of Massachusetts 1956 Senator Stuart Symington of Missouri 1952 President Harry Truman Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: gorkay on December 25, 2007, 06:04:54 PM The 1912 election is one of the most fascinating in American history. Someone wrote a very good book about it just a couple of years ago. I can't remember the title or author, though; can anyone out there help?
There is no way Taft would have won that election under any circumstances. The electorate was more liberal (or "progressive") than probably at any other time in American history, and there was no way he was going to convince anyone (although he tried) that he was a liberal candidate. If TR had gotten the Republican nomination, he probably would have won, although it's not certain-- Wilson was a strong candidate and the Democrats had done well in the 1910 mid-terms, so they were in the ascendancy. Also, in a Wilson-Roosevelt contest, there may well have been a conservative third-party candidate, and if he was a Republican, as would have been likely, he could have drawn some of the conservative Republican vote away from TR. I'll be back with my primary picks. I participated in a lot of them but need to refresh my memory as to all the candidates who ran in particular years. Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: gorkay on December 25, 2007, 06:13:09 PM I'll go back to 1968, since that was the year I started following politics.
2008: Biden (though he'll probably be out by the time I get to vote) 2004: Clark initially, then Kerry (I voted for Kerry in the primary) 2000: Gore 1996: Clinton 1992: Clinton 1988: Babbitt initially, then Dukakis (Babbitt was out by the time I got to vote) 1984: Mondale 1980: Carter 1976: kept holding out for Humphrey, so I never endorsed anyone 1972: Muskie 1968: Kennedy Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: JSojourner on December 27, 2007, 10:28:24 PM In 1988 and 1984, I was a Republican and voted Republican. Before 1984, I was ineligible to vote. So I am naming those Democrats who I WOULD HAVE supported...if I knew then what I know now.
2008: Dodd 2004: Kerry 2000: Bradley 1996: Clinton 1992: Tsongas 1988: Simon 1984: Glenn 1980: Proxmire, early. But Carter, eventually. 1976: Barbara Jordan 1972: Gene McCarthy 1968: Bobby Kennedy, first. Then Gene McCarthy Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: frihetsivrare on December 29, 2007, 02:24:53 AM 1968: Eugene McCarthy
1972: George McGovern 1976: Henry Jackson 1980, 84, 88, 92, 96, 00: would not have voted in the Democratic primary 2004: Dennis Kucinich 2008: Not voting in Democratic primary Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Phony Moderate on December 16, 2010, 11:25:27 PM 2008: Kucinich or Gravel
2004: Kucinich or Dean 2000: Bradley 1996: Clinton 1992: Brown 1988: Hart 1984: McGovern 1980: Kennedy 1976: Shriver 1972: McGovern 1968: Kennedy Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: RichmondFalls on December 16, 2010, 11:31:43 PM 1956: Stevenson
1960: Kennedy 1964: Johnson 1968: Kennedy 1972: McGovern 1976: Church 1980: Kennedy 1984: Jackson 1988: Jackson 1992: Brown 1996: Clinton 2000: Bradley 2004: Dean 2008: Obama Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Liberalrocks on December 20, 2010, 01:48:17 PM 1968 Bobby Kennedy
1972 George McGovern 1976 Jerry Brown 1980 Ted Kennedy 1984 Walter Mondale 1988 Dick Gephardt 1992 Jerry Brown 1996 Bill Clinton 2000 Al Gore 2004 Howard Dean 2008 Hillary Clinton ! 2012 will wait and see what happens. Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: freepcrusher on December 20, 2010, 02:25:44 PM 1932 FDR
1936 FDR 1940 FDR 1944 FDR 1948 Truman 1952 Stevenson 1956 Stevenson 1960 JFK 1964 LBJ 1968 McCarthy 1972 McGovern 1976 Udall 1980 Carter 1984 Hart 1988 Gore 1992 Brown 1996 Clinton 2000 Bradley 2004 Dean 2008 Obama Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on December 20, 2010, 03:55:40 PM I'll start with 1972 (and again, these people are who I genuinely support--I don't vote tactically):
1972: Scoop Jackson 1976: Scoop Jackson 1980: NOTA 1984: John Glenn 1988: Joe Biden 1992: NOTA 1996: NOTA 2000: NOTA 2004: NOTA 2008: Joe Biden Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Oakvale on December 20, 2010, 04:08:40 PM 1948 Truman.
1952 Truman! Well, Stevenson, I suppose. 1956 Stevenson, I guess. 1960 Kennedy. 1964 Uh, Johnson. 1968 Eugene McCarthy. 1972 George McGovern. 1976 Jerry Brown. 1980 Jimmy Carter. 1984 Gary Hart. 1988 Mike Dukakis. 1992 Jerry Brown, the most interesting candidate. 1996 I wouldn't vote. 2000 Al Gore. 2004 Gephardt? Not a great field. 2008 Barack Obama. Would probably consider anyone but Clinton. 2012 Barack Obama. EDIT: Don't really know why we're starting with 1968. I mean, I know the primary system wasn't hugely important prior to the '60s, but still. I've added a few. Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: TomC on December 20, 2010, 06:35:16 PM 48- Truman
52- Stevenson 56- Stevenson 60- Kennedy 64- LBJ 68- Kennedy 72- Muskie 76- Carter- but not sure 80- Carter 84- Glenn or Hart 88- Gore 92- Tsongas 96- Clinton 00- Gore 04- Kerry 08- Obama Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: feeblepizza on December 20, 2010, 08:03:20 PM 48- Truman
52- Russel 56- Frank Lausche 60- Kennedy 64- Wallace 68- Smathers 72- Wallace 76- Wallace 80- Brown 84- Hart 88- Simon 92- Brown 96- Clinton 00- Gore 04- Clark 08- Richardson Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Thomas D on December 20, 2010, 09:24:35 PM 48- Truman
52- Stevenson 56- Stevenson 60- Kennedy 64- LBJ 68- McCarthy 72- Muskie 76- Carter 80- Carter 84- Hart 88- Gephardt 92- Tsongas 96- Clinton 00- Gore 04- Dean 08- Obama Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on December 20, 2010, 09:27:45 PM 1932: Al Smith
1960: JFK 1968: RFK 1972: Scoop Jackson 1976: Scoop Jackson 1980: Jerry Brown 1984: Gary Hart 1992: Jerry Brown 1996: Write-in: Robert Casey 2000: Al Gore 2004: Joe Lieberman 2008: Mike Gravel (for the lols) Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries??? Post by: Inmate Trump on December 21, 2010, 10:59:56 AM 1972: Humphrey
1976: Wallace 1980: Kennedy 1984: Hart 1988: Gore 1992: Clinton 1996: Clinton 2000: Gore 2004: Lieberman 2008: Hillary |