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Title: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: © tweed on February 03, 2004, 04:02:16 PM
I made a thread like this for the Dem primaries.  I started with 1972:

1972: Muskie
1976: Carter
1980: Kennedy
1984: Hart
1988: Gore
1992: Tsongas
1996: Clinton (uncontested)
2000: Gore


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 03, 2004, 04:24:08 PM
1972: Muskie
1976: Carter
1980: Carter or Kennedy (depends on my employment status)
1984: Hart
1988: Gore
1992: Clinton
1996: Clinton (uncontested)
2000: Gore


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Taft on February 04, 2004, 01:14:23 AM
1972: Wallace or Jackson
1976: Jackson
1980: Kennedy(dump-Carter vote)
1984: Hart
1988: Gore
1992: Brown
1996: Paulsen(:-D)
2000: Gore


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Nation on February 04, 2004, 02:10:19 AM
72: Muskie
76: Carter
80: Carter
84: Mondale
88: Tanner ( :D )
92: Tsongas
96: Clinton
00: Bradley


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Huckleberry Finn on February 04, 2004, 10:06:18 AM
72: Muskie (better than McGovernment I suppose)
76: Carter (?)
80: ?
84: Hart (??)
88: ? (Dukakis???)
92: Clinton
96: Clinton
00: Bradley (Has more charisma than Gore)
04: Edwards

Honestly saying: I haven't enough knowledge for decision making except about elections since 92 )



Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: © tweed on February 04, 2004, 04:27:57 PM
72: Muskie (better than McGovernment I suppose)
76: Carter (?)
80: ?
84: Hart (??)
88: ? (Dukakis???)
92: Clinton
96: Clinton
00: Bradley (Has more charisma than Gore)
04: Edwards

Honestly saying: I haven't enough knowledge for decision making except about elections since 92 )
Well----here were the candidates in the Dem primaries:

1972: Wallace, Muskie, McGovern
1976: Carter, Wallace and other people
1980: Incumbent Carter and Ted Kennedy
1984: Hart, Mondale, Jesse Jackson, others
1988: Gore, Gephardt, Jackson, Dukakis, others
1992: Tsongas, Clinton, Brown, Harkin
1996: Clinton Uncontested
2000: Gore, Bradley

When I say others, I can't remember the othe candidate that were in the race, mostly minor candidates.


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Gustaf on February 04, 2004, 04:31:49 PM
72: Muskie (better than McGovernment I suppose)
76: Carter (?)
80: ?
84: Hart (??)
88: ? (Dukakis???)
92: Clinton
96: Clinton
00: Bradley (Has more charisma than Gore)
04: Edwards

Honestly saying: I haven't enough knowledge for decision making except about elections since 92 )
Well----here were the candidates in the Dem primaries:

1972: Wallace, Muskie, McGovern
1976: Carter, Wallace and other people
1980: Incumbent Carter and Ted Kennedy
1984: Hart, Mondale, Jesse Jackson, others
1988: Gore, Gephardt, Jackson, Dukakis, others
1992: Tsongas, Clinton, Brown, Harkin
1996: Clinton Uncontested
2000: Gore, Bradley

When I say others, I can't remember the othe candidate that were in the race, mostly minor candidates.

I know the other 1976 candidates: Scoop Jackson, Mo Udall, B. Bayh, Lloyd Bentsen, Frank Church, X. Saunders, Jerry Brown, Ed Harris, those are the ones I recall.


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: © tweed on February 04, 2004, 04:32:36 PM
Stop showing me up Gustaf :)

Just kidding, thanks.


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Gustaf on February 04, 2004, 04:33:39 PM
Stop showing me up Gustaf :)

Just kidding, thanks.

You're welcome. I got lucky, by coincidence I happen to have an extreme amount of knowledge about the 1976 election.


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: © tweed on February 04, 2004, 04:41:51 PM
Stop showing me up Gustaf :)

Just kidding, thanks.

You're welcome. I got lucky, by coincidence I happen to have an extreme amount of knowledge about the 1976 election.
Why?  My favorite election is the 1912 election :)


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Huckleberry Finn on February 04, 2004, 04:42:34 PM
I would have chosen Gephardt in 1988.

Wallace sounds very bad, so I stay with Carter.


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Gustaf on February 04, 2004, 04:43:34 PM
Stop showing me up Gustaf :)

Just kidding, thanks.

You're welcome. I got lucky, by coincidence I happen to have an extreme amount of knowledge about the 1976 election.
Why?  My favorite election is the 1912 election :)

I ended up in a vacation resort in the West Indies with little to do, and stumbled across a book by Jules Witcover on the 1976 election. It sparkled my interest in US elections, in fact. But it was a really thick book... ;)


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: © tweed on February 04, 2004, 04:46:36 PM
I ended up in a vacation resort in the West Indies with little to do, and stumbled across a book by Jules Witcover on the 1976 election. It sparkled my interest in US elections, in fact. But it was a really thick book... ;)
Okay.  I like the 1912 election because it is the only election I can find where 4 candidates polled over 10% in a state.  Wilson, Taft, TR, and Debs all did this in Idaho in 1912.


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Huckleberry Finn on February 04, 2004, 04:47:08 PM
BTW. I have some early memories about Mondale/Hart race. I was ten years old.

Mondela was weak. But Hart cheated his wife. Right?
So they both were bad candidates.


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Gustaf on February 04, 2004, 04:48:23 PM
I ended up in a vacation resort in the West Indies with little to do, and stumbled across a book by Jules Witcover on the 1976 election. It sparkled my interest in US elections, in fact. But it was a really thick book... ;)
Okay.  I like the 1912 election because it is the only election I can find where 4 candidates polled over 10% in a state.  Wilson, Taft, TR, and Debs all did this in Idaho in 1912.

I like these elections as well. :) But there should be another one with several candidates over 10% somewhere...


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: © tweed on February 04, 2004, 04:50:13 PM
I like these elections as well. :) But there should be another one with several candidates over 10% somewhere...
Maybe...but I haven't found one yet.  There rarely are two third party candidates with an impact.


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: © tweed on February 04, 2004, 04:55:48 PM
4 candidates olled above 15% in Nevada in 1912.


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: MAS117 on February 04, 2004, 06:51:54 PM
1972: Humphrey
1976: Carter
1980: Carter or Kennedy
1984: Hart or Mondale
1992: Clinton
1996: Clinton
2000: Gore
2004: Kerry


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Nym90 on February 04, 2004, 07:39:42 PM
The Hart/Donna Rice scandal didn't break until 1987 though, when he was the early front-runner for the 1988 nomination.


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Lt. Gov. Immy on February 04, 2004, 08:19:19 PM
1972: McGovern
1976: Frank Church (Did you have to ask?)
1980: Ted Kennedy
1984: Hart
1988: Gephardt
1992: Clinton
1996: Clinton Uncontested
2000: Gore
2004: Edwards


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: 12th Doctor on February 04, 2004, 09:16:06 PM
72: Muskie (better than McGovernment I suppose)
76: Carter (?)
80: ?
84: Hart (??)
88: ? (Dukakis???)
92: Clinton
96: Clinton
00: Bradley (Has more charisma than Gore)
04: Edwards

Honestly saying: I haven't enough knowledge for decision making except about elections since 92 )
Well----here were the candidates in the Dem primaries:

1972: Wallace, Muskie, McGovern
1976: Carter, Wallace and other people
1980: Incumbent Carter and Ted Kennedy
1984: Hart, Mondale, Jesse Jackson, others
1988: Gore, Gephardt, Jackson, Dukakis, others
1992: Tsongas, Clinton, Brown, Harkin
1996: Clinton Uncontested
2000: Gore, Bradley

When I say others, I can't remember the othe candidate that were in the race, mostly minor candidates.

I know the other 1976 candidates: Scoop Jackson, Mo Udall, B. Bayh, Lloyd Bentsen, Frank Church, X. Saunders, Jerry Brown, Ed Harris, those are the ones I recall.

Don't you mean Fred Harris?  And you guys, Clinton wasn't uncontested in '96.  what about Lyndon LaRouch?


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Nation on February 05, 2004, 12:06:48 AM
LaRouche doesn't count. He runs every time, and fails miserably.



Anyone get my Tanner '88 joke?


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Gustaf on February 05, 2004, 11:21:58 AM
72: Muskie (better than McGovernment I suppose)
76: Carter (?)
80: ?
84: Hart (??)
88: ? (Dukakis???)
92: Clinton
96: Clinton
00: Bradley (Has more charisma than Gore)
04: Edwards

Honestly saying: I haven't enough knowledge for decision making except about elections since 92 )
Well----here were the candidates in the Dem primaries:

1972: Wallace, Muskie, McGovern
1976: Carter, Wallace and other people
1980: Incumbent Carter and Ted Kennedy
1984: Hart, Mondale, Jesse Jackson, others
1988: Gore, Gephardt, Jackson, Dukakis, others
1992: Tsongas, Clinton, Brown, Harkin
1996: Clinton Uncontested
2000: Gore, Bradley

When I say others, I can't remember the othe candidate that were in the race, mostly minor candidates.

I know the other 1976 candidates: Scoop Jackson, Mo Udall, B. Bayh, Lloyd Bentsen, Frank Church, X. Saunders, Jerry Brown, Ed Harris, those are the ones I recall.

Don't you mean Fred Harris?  And you guys, Clinton wasn't uncontested in '96.  what about Lyndon LaRouch?

Yeah, Fred Harris...Fred, Ed, what 's the difference? ;)


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Gustaf on February 05, 2004, 02:57:48 PM
4 candidates olled above 15% in Nevada in 1912.

Taft, the incumbent, finished 4th behind Debs in both Arizona and Nevada! That's immensely cool, imo. So you could Arizona to the list, Taft's 12.74% earned him 4th place there.  


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Gustaf on February 05, 2004, 03:01:52 PM
Debs ran 4th place in Washington with 12% of the vote as well. And Eugene Chafin, Prohibition, ran 5th place with 3.04%. I wonder if that's a 5th place record? :)


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Gustaf on February 05, 2004, 03:04:43 PM
Oregon is slightly better...in California, Taft finsihed 5th place, behind Roosvelt, Wilson, Debs and Chafin, with 0.58% of the vote in write-ins. H-U-M-I-L-I-A-T-I-O-N! :D


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Gustaf on February 05, 2004, 03:07:50 PM
1912 is now officially my favourite election. I am letting my passion destroy this thread, but it's really cool! Debs actually ran 2nd in Florida! :) And since Chafin got 3.65% in 5th place there, I think that might be a record.


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Gustaf on February 05, 2004, 03:13:07 PM
And there's Montana where Debs got 13.64% of the vote and finished 4th! I'm gonna stop now, btw... ;)


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: © tweed on February 05, 2004, 03:51:30 PM
1912 is now officially my favourite election. I am letting my passion destroy this thread, but it's really cool! Debs actually ran 2nd in Florida! :) And since Chafin got 3.65% in 5th place there, I think that might be a record.
I got you hooked on 1912...I told you it was cool!


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Gustaf on February 05, 2004, 04:28:12 PM
1912 is now officially my favourite election. I am letting my passion destroy this thread, but it's really cool! Debs actually ran 2nd in Florida! :) And since Chafin got 3.65% in 5th place there, I think that might be a record.
I got you hooked on 1912...I told you it was cool!

Yes you did, and yes it is! :)


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 05, 2004, 04:29:56 PM
Ah... yes... 1912 :)


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: TheWildCard on February 05, 2004, 04:42:23 PM
Yes 1912 was indeed the most chaotic because TR ran under his own Bull Moose party otherwise Taft would have won that election by almost 1M(if you give TR's to Taft)


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Gustaf on February 05, 2004, 04:44:02 PM
Yes 1912 was indeed the most chaotic because TR ran under his own Bull Moose party otherwise Taft would have won that election by almost 1M(if you give TR's to Taft)

I am not sure on whether EVERY Roosvelt voter would've gone for Taft, but I agree that most would have, and that Taft would then have won. Still, you should probably give Debs voters to Wilson if you're gonna make a fair "what-if".


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: M on February 07, 2004, 01:59:41 AM
If Roosevelt had won, we'd have entered the war in 1915 after the Lusitania, beat the Central Powers by 1916. Russia never collapses. Russia and Austria not dismembered (Now, Turkey, on the other hand...). Europe still ruled by emperors. Second Great War will be completely different.


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Nym90 on February 07, 2004, 02:04:39 AM
Waay too simplistic to say that all of Roosevelt's vote would have gone to Taft. Roosevelt was a Republican, but a pretty liberal one, while Taft was much more conservative. A pretty good portion of Roosevelt's vote would have gone to Wilson, and he almost certainly still would have won if Roosevelt hadn't been a candidate. Taft was not held in high regard by the voters in 1912.

Now, if Roosevelt had been the GOP nominee instead of Taft, then Roosevelt quite possibly would have won as he would have won the great majority of Taft's votes. The GOP didn't want to dump the incumbent president off of the ticket, though.


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: minionofmidas on February 07, 2004, 02:26:31 AM
Waay too simplistic to say that all of Roosevelt's vote would have gone to Taft. Roosevelt was a Republican, but a pretty liberal one, while Taft was much more conservative. A pretty good portion of Roosevelt's vote would have gone to Wilson, and he almost certainly still would have won if Roosevelt hadn't been a candidate. Taft was not held in high regard by the voters in 1912.

Now, if Roosevelt had been the GOP nominee instead of Taft, then Roosevelt quite possibly would have won as he would have won the great majority of Taft's votes. The GOP didn't want to dump the incumbent president off of the ticket, though.

Roosevelt would have definitely won, quite possibly with more votes than he and Taft received combined. Taft, who was not nearly as conservative as he's sometimes made out (but large parts of his cabinets were) would have won wirgut Roosevelt's candidacy, but probably only narrowly. it might have taken a more progressive running mate, but to assume that Taft is the nominee and Roosevelt doesnt run against him implys a quite progressive platfrm and a Roosevelt-handpicked running mate anyways.


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: minionofmidas on February 07, 2004, 02:35:21 AM
1912 is now officially my favourite election. I am letting my passion destroy this thread, but it's really cool! Debs actually ran 2nd in Florida! :) And since Chafin got 3.65% in 5th place there, I think that might be a record.
I got you hooked on 1912...I told you it was cool!

Yes you did, and yes it is! :)

You salvaged it, man, you didn't destroy it.
There are five states where four candidates polled over 10% in 1912: Az, ID, MT, NV, WA.
There are only two more states where this ever happened, if I looked right. Missouri in 1860 and Illinois in 1824. William Crawford's 18,1% there are the record for fourth place, not Taft's 15,9 in Nevada.
Of course in both 1824 and 1860 it also happened in the Nation at large, but extreme reegional polarization ensures there's only one state each with the same pattern. and of course the national result for 124 is flawed because quite a number of states didn't hold a popular vote yet, and Clay might be below 10% otherwise.


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Gustaf on February 07, 2004, 08:10:51 AM
If Roosevelt had won, we'd have entered the war in 1915 after the Lusitania, beat the Central Powers by 1916. Russia never collapses. Russia and Austria not dismembered (Now, Turkey, on the other hand...). Europe still ruled by emperors. Second Great War will be completely different.

I think Austria, at least, would probably have disintegrated anyway, especially after losing, but you could well be right on Russia. Interesting scenario...


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: minionofmidas on February 07, 2004, 08:17:06 AM
If Roosevelt had won, we'd have entered the war in 1915 after the Lusitania, beat the Central Powers by 1916. Russia never collapses. Russia and Austria not dismembered (Now, Turkey, on the other hand...). Europe still ruled by emperors. Second Great War will be completely different.

I think Austria, at least, would probably have disintegrated anyway, especially after losing, but you could well be right on Russia. Interesting scenario...
If Roosevelt had won as a third party candidate, he might have wanted to go to war in 1915, but Congress definitely wouldn't have let him.


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Gustaf on February 07, 2004, 08:23:53 AM
If Roosevelt had won, we'd have entered the war in 1915 after the Lusitania, beat the Central Powers by 1916. Russia never collapses. Russia and Austria not dismembered (Now, Turkey, on the other hand...). Europe still ruled by emperors. Second Great War will be completely different.

I think Austria, at least, would probably have disintegrated anyway, especially after losing, but you could well be right on Russia. Interesting scenario...
If Roosevelt had won as a third party candidate, he might have wanted to go to war in 1915, but Congress definitely wouldn't have let him.

Ehem...yeah, I suppose that's good point.... *goes away to hide in a hole* :(


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: 7,052,770 on February 07, 2004, 08:24:07 AM
1912 is one my favorite eletions.
I also love 1860--Lincoln wins with 39% of the pv, basically 3 Dems running against him and each other.


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Gustaf on February 07, 2004, 08:47:45 AM
1912 is one my favorite eletions.
I also love 1860--Lincoln wins with 39% of the pv, basically 3 Dems running against him and each other.

The cool thing is that Lincoln would have won even if the others had combined their votes! Proves the weirdness of teh EC.


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: © tweed on February 07, 2004, 09:23:48 AM
The cool thing is that Lincoln would have won even if the others had combined their votes!
Yep, the old forum Superman v. Lincoln what-if.


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Taft on February 07, 2004, 08:11:53 PM
I ended up in a vacation resort in the West Indies with little to do, and stumbled across a book by Jules Witcover on the 1976 election. It sparkled my interest in US elections, in fact. But it was a really thick book... ;)
Okay.  I like the 1912 election because it is the only election I can find where 4 candidates polled over 10% in a state.  Wilson, Taft, TR, and Debs all did this in Idaho in 1912.
Actually, all 4 broke 15% in either Oklahoma or Nevada.  It was a very chaotic year, and Debs and Wilson were the only ones on the ballot in all the states.  TR and Taft managed to block eachother in one state.

Edit: This is what I get for not reading the whole thread before posting...


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Frodo on September 18, 2005, 03:11:16 PM
1972 -Sen. Henry 'Scoop' Jackson (WA)

1976 -Gov. Jimmy Carter (GA)

1980 -(Would not have voted in Democratic primary that year)

1984 -Sen. Gary Hart (CO)

1988 -Sen. Al Gore (TN)

1992 -Gov. Bill Clinton (AR)

1996 -President Clinton (uncontested)

2000 -Vice-President Al Gore

2004 -Sen. John Edwards (NC)


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Frodo on September 18, 2005, 03:20:28 PM
And for anyone who wants to know who ran in which party's primaries, check this site out:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/8088/ElectPandC.html


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: © tweed on September 18, 2005, 06:32:24 PM
And for anyone who wants to know who ran in which party's primaries, check this site out:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/8088/ElectPandC.html

The bumping of these threads and that link seems to be putting me back in February 2004.


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on September 19, 2005, 02:29:52 AM
1972. Muskie
1976. Carter
1980. Carter
1984. Hart
1988. Gore
1992. Brown
1996. Clinton
2000. Gore (without hindsight voted Bradley)


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: © tweed on September 19, 2005, 02:33:39 PM
Let do this again now, 18 months later.

1972: McGovern
1976: Carter
1980: Kennedy
1984: Hart
1988: Gore
1992: Clinton
1996: Clinton
2000: Gore
2004: Edwards


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: True Democrat on September 19, 2005, 05:30:14 PM
1972: NOTA
1976: Maybe Jerry Brown or Jackson, No really good candidates
1980: I don't know, of the two Carter
1984: Either Hollings, Hart, or Glenn
1988: Gore
1992: Clinton
1996: Clinton
2000: Gore, I guess
2004: Clark


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: © tweed on September 19, 2005, 05:31:42 PM
1972: NOTA
1976: Maybe Jerry Brown or Jackson, No really good candidates
1980: I don't know, of the two Carter
1984: Either Hollings, Hart, or Glenn
1988: Gore
1992: Clinton
1996: Clinton
2000: Gore, I guess
2004: Clark

Clark would have ran as a Republican in 2004 is that was the open nomination.  There's nothing to prove that he's a Democrat outside of comments he made in October 2003.  I would have had alot of problems supporting him in the general had he come away with the nomination.


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: True Democrat on September 19, 2005, 09:38:34 PM
1972: NOTA
1976: Maybe Jerry Brown or Jackson, No really good candidates
1980: I don't know, of the two Carter
1984: Either Hollings, Hart, or Glenn
1988: Gore
1992: Clinton
1996: Clinton
2000: Gore, I guess
2004: Clark

Clark would have ran as a Republican in 2004 is that was the open nomination.  There's nothing to prove that he's a Democrat outside of comments he made in October 2003.  I would have had alot of problems supporting him in the general had he come away with the nomination.

Look at my PC score and look back at your comments.  ;)


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: The Dowager Mod on September 21, 2005, 07:26:09 PM
Chisolm 72
Udall      76
Kennedy80
Glenn     84
Jackson 88
Clinton   92
Gore      00
Sharpton04


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: DanielX on September 21, 2005, 08:42:28 PM
I'm a Republican... but I'll answer anyway. Keep in mind that none of these options are really great:

1972: Jackson
1976: Jackson or Udall
1980: Ugh... <throws up>
1984: I dunno... Glenn? Hollings?
1988: Gephardt... and that's saying something
1992: Uh... Kerrey... Harkin... wait, did Perot win the North Dakota Democratic Primary? Then Perot!
1996: nobody
2000: Uh... neither Gore nor Bradley strike me... vote LaRouche, and hope for a Bushslide?
2004: Graham, maybe Gephardt or Lieberman


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on September 23, 2005, 07:21:54 AM
1972: Muskie
1976: Carter
1980: Carter or Kennedy (depends on my employment status)
1984: Hart
1988: Gore
1992: Clinton
1996: Clinton (uncontested)
2000: Gore

Time+More Knowledge=

1972: Humphrey
1976: Not really sure. Some good candidates there...
1980: Carter
1984: Hollings
1988: Early Gephardt supporter, switch to Gore after he dropped out
1992: Clinton
1996: Clinton
2000: Gore
2004: Initially supported Gephardt, headed neutral when his campaign ran out of steam, then eventually went over to Edwards.


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on September 23, 2005, 09:53:42 AM
1988 - Gore
1992 - Clinton
1996 - Clinton
2000 - Gore
2004 - Edwards


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Speed of Sound on September 23, 2005, 08:30:33 PM
Chisolm 72
Udall      76
Kennedy80
Glenn     84
Jackson 88
Clinton   92
Gore      00
Sharpton04
^^^^^^^^^^^^


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Michael Z on September 25, 2005, 09:45:10 PM
1972: Edmund Muskie
1976: Morris Udall or Birch Bayh
1980: Jimmy Carter
1984: Gary Hart
1988: Al Gore
1992: Bill Clinton
1996: uncontested
2000: Bill Bradley
2004: John Edwards

Kinda wish I'd done what Al did and compared my new votes with my initial ones, as opposed to deleting my original post in this thread...


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Citizen James on October 08, 2005, 11:00:48 PM
1972 - Humphry
1976 - Carter
1980 - At the time, Carter.  Knowing the results in retrospect, give Brown a shot.
1984 - Glenn
1988 - Gore
1992 - Clinton
1996 - Clinton (Hobson's choice).
2000 - Gore
2004 - Clark (actual vote).


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: J. J. on October 09, 2005, 07:42:10 PM
1972: Jackson*
1976: Jackson*
1980:  Bush (write-in)*
1984: Hart**
1988: Hart*
1992: Tsongas**
1996: Clinton
2000:  McCain (write-in)
2004: Gephardt

*People I would have voted for in the general over the GOP nominee

**People I might have voted for over the GOP nominee


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Blank Slate on October 19, 2005, 09:11:54 PM
I actually did vote in the Democratic primaries of 1984, 1988, 1992, 2000 & 2004.  So who I write in, for those years, is who I voted for.

1952  Russell
1956  Stevenson
1960  J. F. Kennedy
1964  L. B. Johnson
1968  R. F. Kennedy
1972  Chisholm
1976  Carter
1980  Carter
1984  Hart
1988  Gore
1992  Brown
1996  Clinton
2000  Gore
2004  Clark   


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: bgwah on October 19, 2005, 11:10:28 PM
1972-Jackson
1976-Jackson
1992-Clinton
1996-Clinton
2000-Gore
2004-Kerry


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: TomC on October 20, 2005, 12:52:23 AM


72- Muskie
76- Udall
80- Carter
84- Hart, maybe Glenn
88- Gore
92- Tsongas
96- Clinton
00- gore
04- Edwards


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Andrew on December 24, 2005, 10:20:51 PM
Here's who I really did vote for:

1984:  Hart
1988:  Simon
1992:  Tsongas
1996:  Clinton was unopposed, so I voted for Lugar in the Republican primary
2000:  Bradley
2004:  Dean

I have an independent avatar because although I am very liberal and I've always supported Democrats for President, I also vote for Republicans (and others) for other offices.  I was a member of the Democratic party in 1984 and 1988.


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: WalterMitty on December 25, 2005, 01:46:54 PM
72: muslie
76: udall
80: what an awful choice! abstain.
84: hart
88:  another awful choice, but id choose bruce babbit
92: tsongas
96: clinton
00: bradley
04: lieberman


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: © tweed on December 28, 2005, 12:34:24 PM
Let do this again now, 18 months later.

1972: McGovern
1976: Carter
1980: Kennedy
1984: Hart
1988: Gore
1992: Clinton
1996: Clinton
2000: Gore
2004: Edwards

Time + More Knowledge =

1968: McCarthy
1972: McGovern
1976: Carter
1980: Kennedy
1984: Hart
1988: Dukakis
1992: Tsongas
1996: Clinton
2000: Gore
2004: Edwards


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Q on December 28, 2005, 05:38:49 PM
1952: Truman, then Stevenson
1956: Kefauver
1960: J. Kennedy
1964: n/a
1968: R. Kennedy
1972: Muskie
1976: Carter [So many good candidates this year, but had to go with native son.]
1980: Carter
1984: Glenn
1988: Simon
1992: Tsongas [Several good candidates.]
1996: Clinton
2000: Gore
2004: Clark


Title: Re:Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: True Democrat on December 28, 2005, 10:20:44 PM
1972: NOTA
1976: Maybe Jerry Brown or Jackson, No really good candidates
1980: I don't know, of the two Carter
1984: Either Hollings, Hart, or Glenn
1988: Gore
1992: Clinton
1996: Clinton
2000: Gore, I guess
2004: Clark

Let's see if it's changed:

1972: Either Muskie or Humphrey
1976: Scoop Jackson
1980: Carter, only b/c Kennedy was the only one
1984: Hollings
1988: Probably Simon, though no great candidates
1992: Clinton
1996: Clinton
2000: Gore
2004: Clark


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: PBrunsel on December 29, 2005, 07:24:40 PM
1924: William McAdoo (CA)
1928: Miriam A. Ferguson (TX)
1932: Al Smith (NY) (Weakest opponent to Hoover)
1936: Al Smith (NY)
1940: John Nance Gardner (TX)
1944: Franklin D. Roosevelt (NY)
1948: Paul V. McNutt (IN)
1952: Harry S Truman (MO)
1956: Averell Harriman (NY)
1960: Lyndon B. Johnson (TX)
1964: Write-In: Harold Hughes (IA)
1968: Hubert Humphrey (MN)
1972: Harold Hughes (IA)
1976: Write-In: Edmund Muskie (ME)
1980: Write-In: Dale Bumpers (AR)
1984: Ernest Hollings (SC)
1988: Paul Simon (IL)
1992: Bob Kerrey (NE)
1996: Write-In: Bob Casey (PA)
2000: Al Gore (TN)
2004: Joseph Lieberman (CT)

The 1920s, 1930s, and 1940s had better candidates all around than the more recent times.


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: © tweed on December 24, 2007, 01:39:23 PM
Let do this again now, 18 months later.

1972: McGovern
1976: Carter
1980: Kennedy
1984: Hart
1988: Gore
1992: Clinton
1996: Clinton
2000: Gore
2004: Edwards

Time + More Knowledge =

1968: McCarthy
1972: McGovern
1976: Carter
1980: Kennedy
1984: Hart
1988: Dukakis
1992: Tsongas
1996: Clinton
2000: Gore
2004: Edwards


1968: McCarthy
1972: McGovern
1976: Carter
1980: Kennedy
1984: Hart
1988: Simon
1992: draft Cuomo / uncommitted
1996: uncommited
2000: Bradley
2004: Dean
2008: Gravel / uncommitted


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: HappyWarrior on December 24, 2007, 01:54:01 PM
1952  Stevenson
1956  Kefauver
1960  J. F. Kennedy
1964  L. B. Johnson
1968  R. F. Kennedy
1972  Muskie
1976  Church
1980  Ted Kennedy
1984  Hart
1988  Biden
1992  Kerrey
1996  Clinton
2000  Gore
2004  Clark 


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Frodo on December 24, 2007, 04:05:21 PM
1972 -Sen. Henry 'Scoop' Jackson (WA)

1976 -Gov. Jimmy Carter (GA)

1980 -(Would not have voted in Democratic primary that year)

1984 -Sen. Gary Hart (CO)

1988 -Sen. Al Gore (TN)

1992 -Gov. Bill Clinton (AR)

1996 -President Clinton (uncontested)

2000 -Vice-President Al Gore

2004 -Sen. John Edwards (NC)

1972: Washington Sen. Henry 'Scoop' Jackson

1976: Georgia Gov. Jimmy Carter

1980: Abstain

1984: Colorado Sen. Gary Hart

1988: Tennessee Sen. Al Gore

1992: Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton

1996: President Bill Clinton

2000: Vice-President Al Gore

2004: Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Nutmeg on December 24, 2007, 05:07:17 PM
2008  Senator Barack Obama of Illinois
2004  Former General Wesley Clark
2000  Vice President Al Gore
1996  President Bill Clinton
1992  Former Senator Paul Tsongas of Massachusetts
1988  Senator Paul Simon of Illinois
1984  Senator John Glenn of Ohio
1980  President Jimmy Carter
1976  Former Governor Jimmy Carter of Georgia
1972  Representative Shirley Chisholm of New York
1968  Senator Robert Kennedy of New York
1964  President Lyndon Johnson
1960  Senator John Kennedy of Massachusetts
1956  Senator Stuart Symington of Missouri
1952  President Harry Truman


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: gorkay on December 25, 2007, 06:04:54 PM
The 1912 election is one of the most fascinating in American history. Someone wrote a very good book about it just a couple of years ago. I can't remember the title or author, though; can anyone out there help?

There is no way Taft would have won that election under any circumstances. The electorate was more liberal (or "progressive") than probably at any other time in American history, and there was no way he was going to convince anyone (although he tried) that he was a liberal candidate. If TR had gotten the Republican nomination, he probably would have won, although it's not certain-- Wilson was a strong candidate and the Democrats had done well in the 1910 mid-terms, so they were in the ascendancy. Also, in a Wilson-Roosevelt contest, there may well have been a conservative third-party candidate, and if he was a Republican, as would have been likely, he could have drawn some of the conservative Republican vote away from TR.

I'll be back with my primary picks. I participated in a lot of them but need to refresh my memory as to all the candidates who ran in particular years.


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: gorkay on December 25, 2007, 06:13:09 PM
I'll go back to 1968, since that was the year I started following politics.

2008: Biden (though he'll probably be out by the time I get to vote)
2004: Clark initially, then Kerry (I voted for Kerry in the primary)
2000: Gore
1996: Clinton
1992: Clinton
1988: Babbitt initially, then Dukakis (Babbitt was out by the time I got to vote)
1984: Mondale
1980: Carter
1976: kept holding out for Humphrey, so I never endorsed anyone
1972: Muskie
1968: Kennedy


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: JSojourner on December 27, 2007, 10:28:24 PM
In 1988 and 1984, I was a Republican and voted Republican.  Before 1984, I was ineligible to vote.  So I am naming those Democrats who I WOULD HAVE supported...if I knew then what I know now.

2008:   Dodd
2004:   Kerry
2000:   Bradley
1996:   Clinton
1992:   Tsongas
1988:   Simon
1984:   Glenn
1980:   Proxmire, early.  But Carter, eventually.
1976:   Barbara Jordan
1972:   Gene McCarthy
1968:   Bobby Kennedy, first.  Then Gene McCarthy


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: frihetsivrare on December 29, 2007, 02:24:53 AM
1968: Eugene McCarthy
1972: George McGovern
1976: Henry Jackson
1980, 84, 88, 92, 96, 00: would not have voted in the Democratic primary
2004: Dennis Kucinich
2008: Not voting in Democratic primary


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Phony Moderate on December 16, 2010, 11:25:27 PM
2008: Kucinich or Gravel
2004: Kucinich or Dean
2000: Bradley
1996: Clinton
1992: Brown
1988: Hart
1984: McGovern
1980: Kennedy
1976: Shriver
1972: McGovern
1968: Kennedy


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: RichmondFalls on December 16, 2010, 11:31:43 PM
1956: Stevenson
1960: Kennedy
1964: Johnson
1968: Kennedy
1972: McGovern
1976: Church
1980: Kennedy
1984: Jackson
1988: Jackson
1992: Brown
1996: Clinton
2000: Bradley
2004: Dean
2008: Obama


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Liberalrocks on December 20, 2010, 01:48:17 PM
1968 Bobby Kennedy
1972 George McGovern
1976 Jerry Brown
1980 Ted Kennedy
1984 Walter Mondale
1988 Dick Gephardt
1992 Jerry Brown
1996 Bill Clinton
2000 Al Gore
2004 Howard Dean
2008 Hillary Clinton !
2012 will wait and see what happens.


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: freepcrusher on December 20, 2010, 02:25:44 PM
1932 FDR
1936 FDR
1940 FDR
1944 FDR
1948 Truman
1952 Stevenson
1956 Stevenson
1960 JFK
1964 LBJ
1968 McCarthy
1972 McGovern
1976 Udall
1980 Carter
1984 Hart
1988 Gore
1992 Brown
1996 Clinton
2000 Bradley
2004 Dean
2008 Obama


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on December 20, 2010, 03:55:40 PM
I'll start with 1972 (and again, these people are who I genuinely support--I don't vote tactically):

1972: Scoop Jackson
1976: Scoop Jackson
1980: NOTA
1984: John Glenn
1988: Joe Biden
1992: NOTA
1996: NOTA
2000: NOTA
2004: NOTA
2008: Joe Biden


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Oakvale on December 20, 2010, 04:08:40 PM
1948 Truman.
1952 Truman! Well, Stevenson, I suppose.
1956 Stevenson, I guess.
1960 Kennedy.
1964 Uh, Johnson.
1968 Eugene McCarthy.
1972 George McGovern.
1976 Jerry Brown.
1980 Jimmy Carter.
1984 Gary Hart.
1988 Mike Dukakis.
1992 Jerry Brown, the most interesting candidate.
1996 I wouldn't vote.
2000 Al Gore.
2004 Gephardt? Not a great field.
2008 Barack Obama. Would probably consider anyone but Clinton.
2012 Barack Obama.

EDIT: Don't really know why we're starting with 1968. I mean, I know the primary system wasn't hugely important prior to the '60s, but still. I've added a few.


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: TomC on December 20, 2010, 06:35:16 PM
48- Truman
52- Stevenson
56- Stevenson
60- Kennedy
64- LBJ
68- Kennedy
72- Muskie
76- Carter- but not sure
80- Carter
84- Glenn or Hart
88- Gore
92- Tsongas
96- Clinton
00- Gore
04- Kerry
08- Obama


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: feeblepizza on December 20, 2010, 08:03:20 PM
48- Truman
52- Russel
56- Frank Lausche
60- Kennedy
64- Wallace
68- Smathers
72- Wallace
76- Wallace
80- Brown
84- Hart
88- Simon
92- Brown
96- Clinton
00- Gore
04- Clark
08- Richardson


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Thomas D on December 20, 2010, 09:24:35 PM
48- Truman
52- Stevenson
56- Stevenson
60- Kennedy
64- LBJ
68- McCarthy
72- Muskie
76- Carter
80- Carter
84- Hart
88- Gephardt
92- Tsongas
96- Clinton
00- Gore
04- Dean
08- Obama


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on December 20, 2010, 09:27:45 PM
1932: Al Smith
1960: JFK
1968: RFK
1972: Scoop Jackson
1976: Scoop Jackson
1980: Jerry Brown
1984: Gary Hart
1992: Jerry Brown
1996: Write-in: Robert Casey
2000: Al Gore
2004: Joe Lieberman
2008: Mike Gravel (for the lols)


Title: Re: Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???
Post by: Inmate Trump on December 21, 2010, 10:59:56 AM
1972: Humphrey
1976: Wallace
1980: Kennedy
1984: Hart
1988: Gore
1992: Clinton
1996: Clinton
2000: Gore
2004: Lieberman
2008: Hillary