Talk Elections

According to the Constitutional amendment which will without any doubt be passed, you the Governors are responsible for creating new districts for the purpose of Senatorial elections:

"Districts will be redrawn by the governors in the event of a disparity in voter allocation between the districts."

Get to work, guys!!!!!

Okay who is in charge of keeping track of the registrations? If we can get a list of voters by state thats up to date I can probably put together a draft of a district map.

Check our forums Wildcard, it is not brillliantly up to date but I am sure using that and the register thread you can get it done.

Okay heres a rough draft of this you'll notice that the voters names aren't in good order and parties aren't updated... Sorry about that perhaps one of the other Governors could finish it off.

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Districts

 

District 1
Connecticut
Massachusetts
Maine
New Hampshire
New York
Rhode Island
Vermont

 

Registered Voters - 23
Dazzleman R CT
Blerpiez D MA
Migrendel UL MA
Emsworth P MA
Lidaker P MA
Gore For President UAC MA
PollsAreCool I MA
Siege40 P ME
Justin R NH
NHPolitico R NH
Boss Tweed D NY
Huckleberry Finn UAC NY
ShapeShifter D NY
Dunn P NY
Nader P NY
.Andrew. UAC NY
Kemperor UAC NY
Mort From New York I
Nation UAC NY
Zachman D NH
Umengus D VT
KeveinStat D ME
Defarge D NY


District 2
District of Columbia
Delaware
Maryland
New Jersey
Ohio
Pennsylvania  
West Virginia
Indiana
 

Registered Voters - 20
Michael Z D DC
Beet D MD
NickG UL MD
emergingDMajority1 D NJ
HockeyDude D NJ
MAS117 UAC NJ
NixonNow R NJ
ZorkPolitics R NJ
Reaganfan R OH
Esteban Manuel D PA
ChiaHead R PA
CmdrBond R PA
Darth Kosh R PA
Supersoulty UAC PA
TomAtPitt R PA
BullMoose88 UAC PA
Al WV D
Bergie UAC PA
Flyers2004 D PA
Kghadial D IN



District 3
Iowa
Illinois  
Michigan
Minnesota
Missouri
Wisconsin
North Dakota
South Dakota

Registered Voters - 16
Hughento D IA
Pbrunsell R IA
DemRepDan UAC IL  
Christopher Michael D MI
Jftdem D MI
Nym90 D MI
9iron768 R MI
Fritz D MN
Gustaf UAC MN
ILikeVerin UAC MN  
Opebo R MO
Texasgurl24 D WI
Beef I WI
MasterJedi R WI
BRTD D MN
Jravnsbro R SD


District 4
Alabama
Arkansas
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
North Carolina
Oklahoma
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas
Virginia
New Mexico

Registered Voters - 16
StatesRights R FL
GWBFan UAC GA
Klrbzzz I KY
Harry D MS
Mr_President I MS
Nclib D NC
Josh4Bush R NC
Kodratos UAC NC
htmldon UAC TN
Agcat R TX
M R TX
Cadenna D LA
DukeFan R VA
Ben VA D
MHS2002 VA R
WMS UAC


District 5
Alaska
Arizona
California
Colorado
Hawaii
Idaho
Kansas
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
Nevada
Oregon
Utah
Washington
Wyoming
 

Registered Voters - 17
Lunar I CA
John D. Ford UAC CA
PD R CA
WildCard UAC CA
John F. Kennedy UAC CA
Brambila R CA
Immy D ID
Mr Fresh R ID
Mossy D OR
Neil A. I OR
Lewis Trondheim P OR
Bejkuy R OR
NickSmith52 D OR
Apostle JCP WA
Jesus JCP WA
StevenNick99 CP WA
Khirkib D UL

Not bad WildCard, District 1 is a bit of a problem, 23 people, unfortunately, it would be difficult, geographically speaking to change that.

Exactly.

I wish I could change that but It's pretty much impossibe unless we want it to be geographically complex.

Yes, why you no on aim?

Some of these name on this list haven't been on the forum on months.  

Judging from this list, I think we might need a new census if we want to draw fair districts.

Using Wildcards's list, I get 17 voters in District 5, for a total of 91.


If we want to use this list, I say we start by switching NY (10) and NJ (5), which would leave District 1 with 18 voters.

We could then make District 2 ONLY NY (10) and PA (8)...for a total of 18.

Move OH, WV, and IN to District 3 for a total of 19. (or keep WV in District 2, it doesn't matter)

Move MD and DC to District 4, and move NM to District 5.  This gives both Districts 18 voters.

So we'd have:
D1 - 18
D2 - 18 (or 19 w/ WV)
D3 - 19 (or 18 w/o WV)
D4 - 18
D5 - 18

Both you guys need to learn to count.

Wildcards original list has 20 in D2 (not 16), and 17 in D5 (not 18).  Total = 92.

D1 = 23
D2 = 20
D3 = 16
D4 = 16
D5 = 17

Gov. Nick G proposes putting New Jersey in D1 instead of New York.  This would make D1 non-contiguous, but the total is 18 (New England states + New Jersey).

New York + Pennsylvania is 19, not 18.  There are 9 in PA.

Moving Ohio, WV, and IN to D3 puts 19 in D3, you are correct.

Moving MD and DC (and I assume Delaware) to D4 gives that district 19, then putting New Mexico (WMS) in D5 gives both 18.

Nicks proposal:
D1= 18
D2 = 19
D3 = 19
D4 = 18
D5 = 18
Total = 92

This works out great numbers-wise, the only problem is New Jersey not being contiguous with New England.

You're right, Pennsylvania has 9 voters, so 92 total.

My District 1 is contiguous to the same extent that Upper & Lower Michigan are contiguous...you can draw a straight line between them without entering any other states.

I don't know if this is something we want to consider, but it's worth noting that my plan would move ALL the Senators from Districts 1 and 2 out of their Districts.

Yes, but there is a bridge directly connecting Upper and Lower Michigan. You have to travel through New York to get to New Jersey from the rest of District 1(unless you go by boat or some such).

I'd like to change my proposal a little bit we keep Indiana district 3 and move Ohio there as well.

Keep D4 as it is in my orginal proposal only add West Virginia.

I think this is one of the best ways of doing this without making it look geographically odd.

Quoting from Amendment 4, Sec. 3 of the Constitution:

Districts shall be determined by how many registered voters there are at the Forum. Each district should have nearly equal the amount of registered voters as the other districts have. All districts must be contiguous. No district shall have more than three register voters than another district.

Wildcard, your plan violates the 3-voter difference requirement.  My plan violates the contiguous requirement.   But when you think about it any plan will technically violate the contiguous requirment by including Alaska and Hawaii, and my plan violates this only very slightly.

Also, I think it is more important that we even the districts than that we abide by strict geographical requirments since geography has no actual meaning on an internet forum.

Okay Nick that's fine whatever we can come to a concensus to.

Another problem I see- Nick's plan puts Beet and StatesRights in the same district.  If they both want to run for re-election, they would have to run against each other.  Incidentally, Harry and Michael Z would also both be from that district.

There is not currently a Senator from Nick's district 1 (New England/New Jersey).

I suppose situations like this happen all the time in real life, when Congressional districts get redrawn.

This is true, and I would feel bad moving incumbents into new districts (especially those in my party!)...but I don't see how the populations can be balanced without making a district that is just PA & NY, and this pretty much forces MD & DC to be moved South.

I think we need to worry about the constitutional requirments first and the political consequences second.

When you posted this were you changing my proposed map or changing the real district map? If the answer is the latter what happens to Virginia?

so amend the constitution to strike the word contiguous.

You're right a Senator should start a vote for a constitutional amendment :)

I oppose such an amendment.  It might lead to gerrymandering of districts.

We should say they should be "geographical compact" rather than contiguous.

Virginia would be with the rest of the southeast in District 4.  I'm trying to post a map, but my FTP program is not working.

Okay good so we are moving it then... Just making sure and New Mexico was already orginally in D5 btw.

From Governor NickG:


From Governor Wildcard:


Now, if I read these correctly, NickG says we will use the regions map for the next election, whereas Wildcard says we will use the district map.


So which one is it?  And does Ilikeverin or GWBFan have anything to say?   

It's pretty much impossible to redistrict at this late date, with one Governor absent and another Governor not yet elected and the filing deadline in three days.

I think we need to run this election with the same regions we did the last election; it would unfair for the Sentators to  have to run in different districts in three straight election.  

And anyway, the current districts aren't really any more fair than the regions in terms of populations; they are all unbalanced.

I believe the amendment to the constitution makes it very clear that all senators will be elected from districts. So I believe we should use the current district map for all the races.

This would throw the Senate into chaos...the filing deadline is in three days, and if we change the districts/regions now, some races may have no candidates.  Plus we probably cannot get a majority of Governors in support of any change at this point.

The Amendment doesn't say when the redistricting need to be enacted...it is up to the Governors.

Looking at the District map again, it doesn't look like any districts are left vacant, or that this would impose as much confusion as I originally thought.  

I will withdraw my objection to using the old districts (as opposed to regions) in this election if that is what the other Governors want to do.

Okay 2 are in favor of this motion. 2 have not voiced their opinions.

I say if we can get ILV on board we should just run with this... GWBfan hasn't been around at all lately plus I don't think many people would object to this becaus the Senate voted on and passed this amendment way before the elections. Therefore, it is the law of the land now.

So will we have a election to pick a new Governor?

If ILV supports it I agree we should consider it done.

*gets on board*

All right governors!

Now let's set up a time when we can redistrict :)

I say we begin the census directly following the elections for a 2 weeks to a month then we can vote on a new district map.

We need a southeast governor!!

...You have one.

Really when is the last time he post something?

All right :)

May 29.

Give him a little time, he may be on vacation or some such.

I think 2 weeks should probably be long enough.
Also, I think anyone who votes in the upcoming presidential election should be automatically counted in the census.

agreed

So in conclusion we agree to the following

the Census will take place from June 21st-July 5th

and everyone who votes in the general elections will be counted in the census.

I will remind you that any attempt to remove the Lord, our God, PD from the electoral roll will be met with all necessary force to prevent the same from occuring. I would also remind you of the Lord, our God, PDs last words to our hallowed forum:


It is therefore decreed in SCRIPTURE that the Lord, our God, PD is Governor of California. Any suggestion of an attempt to remove the Lord, our God, PD from the electoral roll is blasphemy and sin. Accordingly, you will be addressed with the words of the Lord, our God, PD:

and

REPENT, SINNERS, REPENT!!!!!!

Okay..........

All right :)