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Title: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Vaccinated Russian Bear on February 14, 2020, 11:33:51 AM
https://apnews.com/fa41245d47d48332b10c8aeadcd6cb73
Official says US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement
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A senior U.S.official said Friday the United States and the Taliban have reached a truce agreement that will take effect “very soon” and could lead to withdrawals of American troops from Afghanistan.

The official said the agreement for a seven-day “reduction in violence” to be followed by the start of all-Afghan peace talks within 10 days is “very specific” and covers the entire country including Afghan forces.

The developments come as U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Defense Secretary Mark Esper met Friday in Munich with Afghanistan’s President Ashraf Ghani. They spoke on the sidelines of an international security forum in Munich.

A truce had been widely anticipated, and President Donald Trump has agreed in principle to the deal, which could lead to the start of significant U.S. troop withdrawals from Afghanistan, according to U.S. officials.





Trump needs to succeed here to get re-elected against someone like Bernie or Bloomy.


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: PSOL on February 14, 2020, 11:51:12 AM
This has happened like 20 times over the past 5 years, it’s nothing.


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Hammy on February 14, 2020, 12:46:02 PM
Remember when Trump "reached a deal" with North Korea?


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin on February 14, 2020, 01:06:36 PM
Trump will sign the peace treaty right after the Taliban do him a favor and announce their investigation into Bloomberg's shady deals from the lobby of Trump Tower Kabul.


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: GP270watch on February 14, 2020, 02:24:53 PM
 Bring those men and women home already.


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Hammy on February 14, 2020, 04:12:31 PM
Bring those men and women home already.

Agreed 100%, though I don't trust Trump to actually follow through even if a deal were reached--he'd lose a big chunk of his reasoning for wasting so much tax money on defense spending. If anything he'd just say we did, half the voters would believe it, only for him to pull a Syria and just keep them there while pretending the matter is settled.


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Vaccinated Russian Bear on February 14, 2020, 04:35:46 PM
Bring those men and women home already.

Agreed 100%, though I don't trust Trump to actually follow through even if a deal were reached--he'd lose a big chunk of his reasoning for wasting so much tax money on defense spending. If anything he'd just say we did, half the voters would believe it, only for him to pull a Syria and just keep them there while pretending the matter is settled.

Pull a Syria? US has mostly left Syria. And the Russians keep pressing US out completely.

It'll be ya all guys who will "pull a Syria". When Trump leaves/reduced # troops in Afghanistan ya'll gonna repeat neocon argument "but Kurds/Afghans/Iraqis!". PSOL is gonna be the loudest  >_<


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Hammy on February 14, 2020, 04:46:56 PM
Bring those men and women home already.

Agreed 100%, though I don't trust Trump to actually follow through even if a deal were reached--he'd lose a big chunk of his reasoning for wasting so much tax money on defense spending. If anything he'd just say we did, half the voters would believe it, only for him to pull a Syria and just keep them there while pretending the matter is settled.

Pull a Syria? US has mostly left Syria. And the Russians keep pressing US out completely.

It'll be ya all guys who will "pull a Syria". When Trump leaves/reduced # troops in Afghanistan ya'll gonna repeat neocon argument "but Kurds/Afghans/Iraqis!". PSOL is gonna be the loudest  >_<

I've been in favor of full withdrawal since Obama's presidency, Kurds or not. It's not our job to prop up another military.


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on February 14, 2020, 05:27:56 PM
Bring those men and women home already.


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: PSOL on February 14, 2020, 05:47:40 PM
Bring those men and women home already.

Agreed 100%, though I don't trust Trump to actually follow through even if a deal were reached--he'd lose a big chunk of his reasoning for wasting so much tax money on defense spending. If anything he'd just say we did, half the voters would believe it, only for him to pull a Syria and just keep them there while pretending the matter is settled.

Pull a Syria? US has mostly left Syria. And the Russians keep pressing US out completely.

It'll be ya all guys who will "pull a Syria". When Trump leaves/reduced # troops in Afghanistan ya'll gonna repeat neocon argument "but Kurds/Afghans/Iraqis!". PSOL is gonna be the loudest  >_<
In no way am I against a total withdrawal, especially not caring for whatever proxies we employ. I’ve consistently wished for a full withdrawal and an end to all imperialist ventures. I suggest you should get a different job, clearly whatever troll factory you came out from is the back-end of the company teams.


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: T'Chenka on February 14, 2020, 06:01:36 PM
It didn't come easy or free, but the Taliban is know bending it's knee to Trump. Not Bush, Not Obama, TRUMP.


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Meclazine for Israel on February 14, 2020, 06:32:56 PM
Video footage of a Taliban meeting which led to peace negotiations.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3l69gc


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin on February 14, 2020, 08:06:02 PM
It didn't come easy or free, but the Taliban is know bending it's knee to Trump. Not Bush, Not Obama, TRUMP.

Please. Have some dignity.

The Taliban aren't bending the knee - they're biding their time before celebrating their victory, like the North Vietnamese before them.

I think getting out is the right thing, for us and for Afghanistan, but it's not going to be good. (Not that it's good now, before we withdraw, either.)  Giving up and leaving was never going to be easy for the United States, and maybe it will take a liar and conman like Dump to do what should be done.

But if you want to start putting smug political spins on a decades old-disaster, it's not going to be good for Donald. What will happen after we leave will be ugly. And it will be really easy for those who hate the current administration, or for those who want more war, to go, "Only Cadet Bonespurs would have abandoned our Afghani allies. The coward sold out our Afghan allies to a horrible fate and threw away the sacrifices of countless American servicemen and servicewomen just to distract from impeachment and make his disastrous term look a little better as he runs for re-election. "


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: 538Electoral on February 14, 2020, 08:23:02 PM
We need to leave.


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: T'Chenka on February 14, 2020, 08:25:12 PM
I think getting out is the right thing, for us and for Afghanistan, but it's not going to be good. (Not that it's good now, before we withdraw, either.)  Giving up and leaving was never going to be easy for the United States, and maybe it will take a liar and conman like Dump to do what should be done.

But if you want to start putting smug political spins on a decades old-disaster, it's not going to be good for Donald. What will happen after we leave will be ugly. And it will be really easy for those who hate the current administration, or for those who want more war, to go, "Only Cadet Bonespurs would have abandoned our Afghani allies. The coward sold out our Afghan allies to a horrible fate and threw away the sacrifices of countless American servicemen and servicewomen just to distract from impeachment and make his disastrous term look a little better as he runs for re-election. "
Trump is more than willing to take those criticisms from war hawks if it means he is doing right by the American people. I'm glad you think Trump is right.


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Pericles on February 14, 2020, 09:41:00 PM
I hope he succeeds, and if he does get the US out of Afghanistan he should be commended for that (though overall him being re-elected would still be a bad outcome). I don't think he will actually deliver here though and in 2021 the US will probably still be in Afghanistan.


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: atheist4thecause on February 15, 2020, 03:09:25 AM
It didn't come easy or free, but the Taliban is know bending it's knee to Trump. Not Bush, Not Obama, TRUMP.

Please. Have some dignity.

The Taliban aren't bending the knee - they're biding their time before celebrating their victory, like the North Vietnamese before them.

I think getting out is the right thing, for us and for Afghanistan, but it's not going to be good. (Not that it's good now, before we withdraw, either.)  Giving up and leaving was never going to be easy for the United States, and maybe it will take a liar and conman like Dump to do what should be done.

But if you want to start putting smug political spins on a decades old-disaster, it's not going to be good for Donald. What will happen after we leave will be ugly. And it will be really easy for those who hate the current administration, or for those who want more war, to go, "Only Cadet Bonespurs would have abandoned our Afghani allies. The coward sold out our Afghan allies to a horrible fate and threw away the sacrifices of countless American servicemen and servicewomen just to distract from impeachment and make his disastrous term look a little better as he runs for re-election. "

Ironically enough, the military achieved all of it's military goals. It was the politics at home that fell short. And now here again, the exact same thing is happening. Americans at home don't have the stomach to stay and do what is proper. The non-interventionism is my biggest disagreement with Trump.


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Vaccinated Russian Bear on February 21, 2020, 07:20:21 AM
https://apnews.com/62c7a74076796c180677d0826a5da506

US: Taliban’s ‘reduction of violence’ deal to start tonight
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The seven-day “reduction of violence” deal promised by the Taliban will begin on Friday night, a senior U.S. State Department official said, without specifying the exact time. That will start the countdown to the signing of a peace agreement between the Taliban and the United States at the end of the month.

That peace agreement, to be signed in Doha, Qatar, on Feb. 29, will pave the way for a withdrawal of U.S. troops and intra- Afghan negotiations. U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the peace agreement will also lead to an eventual permanent cease-fire.

“We are preparing for the signing to take place on February 29,” Pompeo said in a statement. “Intra-Afghan negotiations will start soon thereafter, and will build on this fundamental step to deliver a comprehensive and permanent ceasefire and the future political road map for Afghanistan.”

The State Department official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the deal.

But the road ahead is fraught with difficulties.

It’s still not clear who will represent Kabul at the negotiation table for the intra-Afghan talks, considered a key pillar in finding a lasting peace in the war-torn country. The Afghan election commission earlier this week declared President Ashraf Ghani the winner of the presidential elections held in September but his rivals quickly denounced his win.

The Taliban have refused to talk to Ghani’s government and also denounced the election results, saying they will talk to government representatives but only as ordinary Afghans

Pompeo’s statement did not say who would participate in the intra-Afghan negotiations from Kabul, saying only that “’intra-Afghan negotiations will start soon” after the signing in Doha “and will build on this fundamental step to deliver a comprehensive and permanent cease-fire and the future political road map for Afghanistan.”

The Taliban issued their own statement on the reduction of violence deal.

“Both parties will now create a suitable security situation in advance of agreement signing date, extend invitations to senior representatives of numerous countries and organizations to participate in the signing ceremony, make arrangements for the release of prisoners, structure a path for intra-Afghan negotiations with various political parties of the country and finally lay the groundwork for peace across the country with the withdrawal of all foreign forces,” the Taliban said in a statement Friday.

The Taliban added that they will not allow “the land of Afghanistan to be used against security of others so that our people can live a peaceful and prosperous life under the shade of an Islamic system.”

Real Americans pray for Trump to succeed!🙏🙏🙏
Schiff-Democrats hope recession comes...


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: dead0man on February 21, 2020, 08:26:25 AM
I'm 100% for the pull out method, but does anybody doubt that within a year of the west leaving, the beards will have murdered dozens of "top ranking Afghan officials" and have control of 75% of the country?  And within 5 we'll be back, ya know, to get them for whatever horrible thing they'd end up doing.


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Sir Mohamed on February 21, 2020, 09:18:36 AM
Afghanistan mission has overall been a huge failure. Not because our brave men and women failed, but because politicians and military leadership have refused to deal with reality for many years. And this proceeds Mr. Trump. The problem is that we're trying to establish something that a large junk of the population doesn't want and that we're dealing with a total corrupt regime.

I'm for getting out and only have small special forces operations if a direct treat to the homeland or allies emerges.


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin on February 21, 2020, 11:35:52 AM
Secret Annexes, Backroom Deals: Can Zalmay Khalilzad Deliver Afghan Peace for Trump? (https://time.com/5784103/secret-annexes-backroom-deals-can-zalmay-khalilzad-deliver-afghan-peace-for-trump/)
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At its heart, Khalilzad’s deal offers this basic bargain: the Taliban will reduce its violent attacks on U.S. and Afghan troops, and the U.S. will withdraw much its forces from the country. The Taliban has agreed to a seven-day “reduction in violence” to show that it’s serious. But, crucially, its leaders will not agree in public to the U.S. demand to keep counterterrorism forces in Afghanistan.

To get past that roadblock, Khalilzad has come up with a rickety workaround. The deal contains secret annexes, according to three people familiar with details of the current draft. The first is an agreement for U.S. counterterrorism forces to stay in the country. The second is a Taliban denouncement of terrorism and violent extremism. The third annex contains a mechanism to monitor whether all sides are honoring the semi-truce while talks between warring Afghan parties proceed, according to two of the sources, and the last addresses how the CIA will operate in future in Taliban-controlled areas.

Details of the secret annexes were provided in writing to TIME by one of the sources, who insisted on anonymity to disclose details of the confidential talks. A U.S. lawmaker and two Afghan officials confirmed that a long-term counterterrorism force numbering 8,600 U.S. troops, down from the current 13,000, is part of the deal. The State Department and Khalilzad’s office declined to comment, as did the CIA. Khalilzad declined to be interviewed for this article. A Taliban official insisted Thursday that the deal requires a full U.S. troop withdrawal and said that talk of secret annexes were just rumors.



Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: lfromnj on February 21, 2020, 11:18:54 PM
"Reduction in attacks"
This is literally the sand people quest from KOTOR.


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: atheist4thecause on February 22, 2020, 03:58:16 AM
I don't trust the Taliban leaders and we shouldn't be coming to a truce with the Taliban, we should massively increase our troops into the multiple hundreds of thousands and lay waste to their hideouts to finally completely conquer and cripple the Taliban. You can't do that with 30,000 troops. Yes, it would be expensive. Yes, it would probably cost some lives. But, conquering the Taliban would help us establish an Afghan government with some relevance that would protect us long-term. If we leave now the Taliban will come right out and destroy the Afghan government just like what happened in Vietnam.


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Woody on February 22, 2020, 09:16:17 AM
The United States does not negotiate with terrorists. Can't believe Trump would surrender to these cave dwellers.


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: HillGoose on February 22, 2020, 09:21:42 AM
The United States does not negotiate with terrorists. Can't believe Trump would surrender to these cave dwellers.

Hell yeah man, this is extremely disappointing.


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: HillGoose on February 22, 2020, 09:29:57 AM
Why is the government negotiating with terrorists? Why can't America be like this again?




Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Vaccinated Russian Bear on February 28, 2020, 01:00:58 PM
This has happened like 20 times over the past 5 years, it’s nothing.

I don't know why, but I thought of you, when I read it.


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Vaccinated Russian Bear on February 28, 2020, 04:14:39 PM
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-from-the-president-14/
Statement from the President
Issued on: February 28, 2020
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Nearly 19 years ago, American service members went to Afghanistan to root out the terrorists responsible for the 9/11 attacks.  In that time, we have made great progress in Afghanistan, but at great cost to our brave service members, to the American taxpayers, and to the people of Afghanistan.  When I ran for office, I promised the American people I would begin to bring our troops home, and seek to end this war.  We are making substantial progress on that promise.

Soon, at my direction, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo will witness the signing of an agreement with representatives of the Taliban, while Secretary of Defense Mark Esper will issue a joint declaration with the government of Afghanistan.  If the Taliban and the government of Afghanistan live up to these commitments, we will have a powerful path forward to end the war in Afghanistan and bring our troops home.  These commitments represent an important step to a lasting peace in a new Afghanistan, free from Al Qaeda, ISIS, and any other terrorist group that would seek to bring us harm.  Ultimately it will be up to the people of Afghanistan to work out their future.  We, therefore, urge the Afghan people to seize this opportunity for peace and a new future for their country.

I thank the hundreds of thousands of American warriors who have proudly served in Afghanistan. We have killed or captured many ISIS and Al Qaeda terrorists.  We honor your service and the sacrifices you and your families have made for the American people.  These agreements are a result of the strenuous efforts of those who fought so hard in Afghanistan for the United States of America.

Real Americans wish you good luck, Pr. Trump! 🙏🙏🙏


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Vaccinated Russian Bear on February 29, 2020, 08:39:31 AM
https://apnews.com/491544713df4879f399d0ff5523d369e
US, Taliban sign deal aimed at ending war in Afghanistan
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The United States signed a peace agreement with Taliban militants on Saturday aimed at bringing an end to 18 years of bloodshed in Afghanistan and allowing U.S. troops to return home from America’s longest war.

Under the agreement, the U.S. would draw its forces down to 8,600 from 13,000 in the next 3-4 months, with the remaining U.S. forces withdrawing in 14 months. The complete pullout, however, would depend on the Taliban meeting their commitments to prevent terrorism.


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: jaichind on February 29, 2020, 11:00:42 AM
https://apnews.com/491544713df4879f399d0ff5523d369e
US, Taliban sign deal aimed at ending war in Afghanistan
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The United States signed a peace agreement with Taliban militants on Saturday aimed at bringing an end to 18 years of bloodshed in Afghanistan and allowing U.S. troops to return home from America’s longest war.

Under the agreement, the U.S. would draw its forces down to 8,600 from 13,000 in the next 3-4 months, with the remaining U.S. forces withdrawing in 14 months. The complete pullout, however, would depend on the Taliban meeting their commitments to prevent terrorism.

Excellent.  Hopefully US forces pull out of Afghanistan ASAP


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: 🦀🎂🦀🎂 on February 29, 2020, 12:21:04 PM
what an indictment of Obama's administration that credit for the pullout will go to the fascistic clown.


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 01, 2020, 02:12:29 PM
NYT has more:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/01/world/asia/afghanistan-war-troops-cia.html

Air strikes against Al Qaeda and Islamic State in Afghanistan will continue for now, and not clear if they’ll end completely after the 14 month withdrawal.  They may well continue beyond that, being launched from other countries.

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A potential terrorist threat remains in the region. Most remaining Qaeda leaders are hiding in Pakistan, but under a Taliban-dominated government could come back. Qaeda and Taliban factions continue to be intertwined in some parts of the country, especially in Afghanistan’s west.

But some analysts and government officials think it can be easy to overstate the risk of terrorist groups in Afghanistan. Many intelligence officials believe groups like the country’s Islamic State affiliate are much more of a regional threat, posing a problem to the Taliban and Afghan government rather than Americans. Whether that will remain the case after an American exit, however, is the unanswered question.

The other question is what happens to American and other international aid to the Afghan government:

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More important than troops, potentially, is the willingness for the international community to continue to finance the Afghanistan government after a peace deal.

“The real key to whether Afghanistan avoids falling into an even longer civil war is the degree to which the United States and NATO are willing to fund and train the Afghan security forces over the long term,” Mr. Stavridis said. “When Vietnam collapsed and the helicopters were lifting off the roof of the U.S. Embassy, it was the result of funding being stopped.”


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on March 01, 2020, 08:50:52 PM
Al Qaida is still a thing?


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin on March 01, 2020, 09:02:52 PM
Afghan President Rejects Timeline For Prisoner Swap Proposed In US-Taliban Peace Deal (https://www.npr.org/2020/03/01/810949474/afghan-president-rejects-timeline-for-prisoner-swap-proposed-in-us-taliban-peace)
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The deal also outlined the release of up to 5,000 Taliban prisoners by the Afghan government in exchange for up to 1,000 Afghan security forces held prisoner by the Taliban.

The swap is intended as a confidence building measure ahead of talks between the Taliban and Afghanistan's government, slated to begin around mid-March in Oslo, Norway. The talks are intended to achieve a lasting ceasefire and a political settlement that would establish a role for the Taliban in the country's future.

But on Sunday, Afghan President Ashraf Ghani told a news conference in Kabul, Afghanistan, that a prisoner release was not a promise the United States could make, according to The Associated Press. "The request has been made by the United States for the release of prisoners and it can be part of the negotiations but it cannot be a precondition," said Ghani..


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: The Dowager Mod on March 02, 2020, 10:09:44 AM


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin on March 04, 2020, 10:02:32 AM
Yesterday:
Trump speaks with Taliban leader, claims "very good" relationship (https://www.axios.com/trump-taliban-call-afghanistan-deal-mullah-afb3c3bf-3b91-48bb-a44a-7025ac1671b3.html)
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"We had a very good conversation with the leader of the Taliban today they're looking to get this ended ... the country really has to get it ended, we've been there for 20 years ... the relationship I have is very good with the Mullah," Trump said.

Today:
U.S. resumes airstrikes against Taliban to halt attack on Afghan forces (https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/03/04/us-resumes-airstrikes-against-taliban/)
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It was the first strike against the Taliban in 11 days, he said. It came just five days after the U.S. and Taliban signed an historic agreement that would end America’s longest war if the Taliban lived up to its commitments.

U.S. officials argue there’s a commitment by the Taliban to reduce violence. However, the four pages signed Feb. 29 agreement does not discuss a cessation of hostilities or reduction in violence. Technically, the week long reduction in violence partial truce ended on Feb. 29.


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Illiniwek on March 04, 2020, 10:41:01 AM
Yesterday:
Trump speaks with Taliban leader, claims "very good" relationship (https://www.axios.com/trump-taliban-call-afghanistan-deal-mullah-afb3c3bf-3b91-48bb-a44a-7025ac1671b3.html)
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"We had a very good conversation with the leader of the Taliban today they're looking to get this ended ... the country really has to get it ended, we've been there for 20 years ... the relationship I have is very good with the Mullah," Trump said.

Today:
U.S. resumes airstrikes against Taliban to halt attack on Afghan forces (https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/03/04/us-resumes-airstrikes-against-taliban/)
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It was the first strike against the Taliban in 11 days, he said. It came just five days after the U.S. and Taliban signed an historic agreement that would end America’s longest war if the Taliban lived up to its commitments.

U.S. officials argue there’s a commitment by the Taliban to reduce violence. However, the four pages signed Feb. 29 agreement does not discuss a cessation of hostilities or reduction in violence. Technically, the week long reduction in violence partial truce ended on Feb. 29.


Man oh man I'm so tired of all this winning.


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: dead0man on March 04, 2020, 11:01:24 AM
While I very much want us out of Afghanistan, I certainly understand why the leadership in Afghanistan is leery of us leaving and leery to let 5000(!) Taliban out as a "good faith" gesture.  Months after we leave, they will be the ones whose decapitations will be viewed online.  It's their children that will be raped and murdered.



...and why does Trump always brag about how good a relationship he has with the most evil people on Earth?  That's weird, right?


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin on March 07, 2020, 11:51:01 AM


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: dead0man on March 07, 2020, 12:02:02 PM
<shock face>


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Vaccinated Russian Bear on November 12, 2020, 05:20:43 AM
Trump is purging Pentagon Sh*t House in a Lame Duck session in order to keep his promise to Americans. He has to do it before Warmongers take back the office.






https://www.axios.com/trump-pentagon-douglas-macgregor-43082c11-5480-4efb-9d83-3761f35798ff.html
Scoop: Divisive Pentagon hire may rush troop withdrawals before Trump's exit
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President Trump's newly installed acting Pentagon chief is bringing on a senior adviser in a sign the administration wants to accelerate the withdrawal of U.S. troops from the Middle East before the end of his presidency in January, three people familiar with the move told Axios.

Why it matters: A senior administration official says a wave of firings at the Pentagon and the hiring of Ret. Army Col. Douglas Macgregor is in part a settling of Trump's personal scores — but senior White House officials also have made clear "they want them more publicly to talk about getting out of Afghanistan by the end of the year."

  • Trump, who ran in 2016 on a promise to bring U.S. troops home, is frustrated with the slow pace of withdrawing troops from the Middle East, another senior administration official said.
  • The president has told advisers on numerous occasions he wants troops home from Afghanistan by Christmas.
In a 2019 interview with Fox's Tucker Carlson, Macgregor said he would advise the president to get out of Afghanistan "as soon as possible," including removing the U.S. embassy from Kabul, and that talking to the Taliban was unnecessary.

  • Macgregor also said the U.S. needs to pull its troops out of Syria immediately and America had no national interest there.
  • He said, "We need to listen very carefully to the Iranians ... find out what their interests are and look for areas where we can cooperate" and that the U.S. needs to "turn the operational control of the [Korean] Peninsula militarily over to President Moon and the Koreans."


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Vaccinated Russian Bear on November 13, 2020, 05:48:34 PM


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/13/us/politics/trump-afghanistan-troops.html
Trump Pentagon Purge Could Accelerate His Goal to Pull Troops From Afghanistan
President Trump’s supporters hope he is the president to end America’s longest war.
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Consistent is not the adjective many would use to describe President Trump’s national security policy. But there is one goal he has nurtured since the 2016 campaign: withdrawing all American troops from Afghanistan.

Now, in the waning days of his presidency, Mr. Trump is scrambling to make it so, aided by conservative antiwar forces who see it not only as good policy but also as a linchpin to any future he may seek in politics.

This week, Mr. Trump dismissed his defense secretary, Mark T. Esper, who had repeatedly expressed reluctance for a fast pullout from Afghanistan, replacing him with Christopher C. Miller, the former director of the National Counterterrorism Center, who may lack the stature and experience to push back effectively on Mr. Trump’s 11th-hour foreign policy actions.

Notably, Douglas Macgregor, a retired Army colonel and fierce proponent of ending American involvement in Afghanistan, was named this week as a senior adviser to Mr. Miller.

Mr. Trump recently nominated a new ambassador to Afghanistan, William Ruger, the vice president for research and policy at the Charles Koch Institute — a vocal and well-financed opponent of current conflicts abroad. Even before any Senate confirmation, which seems unlikely before Inauguration Day, Mr. Ruger maintains a large chair at Mr. Trump’s foreign policy table.

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With his recent flurry of firings and appointments, Mr. Trump has effectively pulled down a majority of the personnel guardrails against a fast withdrawal.


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Vaccinated Russian Bear on November 17, 2020, 02:27:49 AM


Trump Is Said to Be Preparing to Withdraw Troops From Afghanistan, Iraq and Somalia
Facing the end of his time in power, the president is pushing to accelerate withdrawals from counterterrorism conflicts. He campaigned on ending the longstanding wars.
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President Trump is expected to order the U.S. military to withdraw thousands of troops from Afghanistan, Iraq and Somalia by the time he leaves office in January, using the end of his time in power to significantly pull back American forces from far-flung conflicts around the world.

Under a draft order circulating at the Pentagon on Monday, the number of U.S. forces in Afghanistan would be halved from the current deployment of 4,500 troops, officials said.

In Iraq, the Pentagon would trim force levels slightly below the 3,000 troops that commanders had previously announced. And in Somalia, virtually all of the more than 700 troops conducting training and counterterrorism missions would leave.

Taken together, the cuts reflect Mr. Trump’s longstanding desire to stop shouldering the cost of long-running military engagements against Islamist insurgencies in failed and fragile countries in Africa and the Middle East, a grinding mission that has spread since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

But the president’s aspirations have long run into resistance, as his own national security officials argued that abandonment of such troubled countries could have catastrophic consequences — such as when the United States pulled out of Iraq at the end of 2011, leaving a vacuum that fostered the rise of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.

Mr. Trump has also repeatedly pushed to withdraw from Syria, but several hundred U.S. troops remain stationed there, partly to protect coveted oil fields held by American-backed Syrian Kurdish allies from being seized by the government of President Bashar al-Assad of Syria. The current deliberations over withdrawals would not affect those in Syria, officials said.

The plan under discussion to pull out of Somalia is said to not apply to U.S. forces stationed in nearby Kenya and Djibouti, where American drones that carry out airstrikes in Somalia are based, according to officials familiar with the internal deliberations who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

Last move from O-Biden administration - start a fight with Russians to prevent Trump from trying to make a Peace with them.
Last move from Trump administration - bring as many Americans as possible home to prevent Biden's Warmongers from trying to start new Wars.




"It's getting a lot of bipartisan push-back, including from Mitch McConnell."


Gee! There is still issues where Democrats and GOP can be bipartisan. NATIONAL SECURITY, my butt!


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Suburbia on November 17, 2020, 05:15:50 PM
America should be out of Iraq/Afghanistan
Cut foreign aid
Cut defense spending by 10%
Remodernize the armed forces
Cut UN budget/cut NATO


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Not Me, Us on November 17, 2020, 05:21:42 PM
For once, I agree with Trump. We need to end foreign wars of imperialism and get all troops out of the Middle East, not just Afghanistan.


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Suburbia on November 17, 2020, 05:34:23 PM
For once, I agree with Trump. We need to end foreign wars of imperialism and get all troops out of the Middle East, not just Afghanistan.


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Suburbia on November 17, 2020, 05:35:06 PM
For once, I agree with Trump. We need to end foreign wars of imperialism and get all troops out of the Middle East, not just Afghanistan.

Why does Adam Kinzinger and Lindsey Graham want to stay there for 100 years, then?


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: HillGoose on November 17, 2020, 06:19:40 PM
For once, I agree with Trump. We need to end foreign wars of imperialism and get all troops out of the Middle East, not just Afghanistan.

Why does Adam Kinzinger and Lindsey Graham want to stay there for 100 years, then?

Bcuz if we don’t 9/11 will happen again


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: politics_king on November 17, 2020, 08:01:07 PM
I support this. We need to be out of these countries. We're not solving anything there. Endless Wars are ridiculous, no one in this country as an appetite for them. The defense contractors need to be eliminated from lobbying.


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Suburbia on November 17, 2020, 11:13:07 PM
I support this. We need to be out of these countries. We're not solving anything there. Endless Wars are ridiculous, no one in this country as an appetite for them. The defense contractors need to be eliminated from lobbying.

Tell that to Kinzinger, Rubio, Cheney, etc

Tell that to Virginia Beach and VA contractors


Title: Re: US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement. Could lead to withdrawal of US forces!
Post by: Vaccinated Russian Bear on November 19, 2020, 02:42:30 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-troop-cut-afghanistan-iraq/2020/11/17/ed6f3f80-28fa-11eb-b847-66c66ace1afb_story.html
As Trump’s term nears close, administration announces troop level cuts in Afghanistan and Iraq
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The U.S. military will halve the number of troops it has in Afghanistan within the next two months, Pentagon officials said Tuesday, as President Trump seeks to move closer to keeping a promise to end wars abroad despite concerns that the decision could undermine negotiations with the Taliban.

Pentagon officials also said they would make smaller cuts in Iraq, where U.S. forces have focused on countering the Islamic State.

“We owe this moment to the many patriots who made the ultimate sacrifice and our comrades who carry forward their legacy,” acting defense secretary Christopher C. Miller said at the Pentagon.

Miller said the military will carry out Trump’s orders in both countries by Jan. 15, with troop numbers reduced from about 5,000 to 2,500 in Afghanistan and from about 3,000 to 2,500 in Iraq. Even with the president’s repeated calls over the years to bring American troops home, the United States remains entangled in the wars in the closing weeks of the Trump administration.

In Afghanistan, which the United States invaded in the wake of the September 2001 terrorist attacks, the move appeared to mark a middle ground between Trump’s impulse to remove all American troops and recommendations from senior U.S. military officials to maintain the current numbers. In October, the president tweeted that all U.S. troops should be “home by Christmas.”

The announcement came eight days after Miller took over for ousted defense secretary Mark T. Esper, who had submitted a classified memo to the White House saying that the conditions on the ground in Afghanistan did not warrant such troop reductions.

Good. I can't see Biden reverse this (though, may be quietly?).