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Title: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: RussFeingoldWasRobbed on February 11, 2020, 12:47:20 PM
The democrats in the state legislature have not forced the police to enforce the new gun laws. Pathetic. They should state troopers in to these counties if they dont comply. But of course they wont because "WE GO HIGH". Screw that.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Arizona Iced Tea on February 11, 2020, 01:12:34 PM
If they send the state troops people will fire back. They don't want to kill people over legislation. They should just let the 2A counties join WV, it will help them politically by making VA a safe blue state.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Del Tachi on February 11, 2020, 01:40:37 PM
Because when the state's Democratic "base" is affluent, college-educated White people you don't exactly get #revolution.   


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on February 11, 2020, 01:53:58 PM
Because when the state's Democratic "base" is affluent, college-educated White people you don't exactly get #revolution.   

If the Democratic base is rich white people then what does that make poor non-whites? ???


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: BP🌹 on February 11, 2020, 01:55:26 PM
Because when the state's Democratic "base" is affluent, college-educated White people you don't exactly get #revolution.   
Affluent, college-educated, neoliberal whites are exactly the kind of people who would want this.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: S019 on February 11, 2020, 04:47:42 PM
This is a good point and they should send troopers into those counties. The rural counties are not the majority and they don't make the rules, so they shouldn't get a free pass.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: fhtagn on February 11, 2020, 05:24:00 PM
This is a good point and they should send troopers into those counties. The rural counties are not the majority and they don't make the rules, so they shouldn't get a free pass.

A handful of state troopers vs thousands of armed citizens. 100% chance the troopers don't win. It's also worth noting that many of the troopers in rural counties made clear they will not enforce these laws. How are you going to force them to do it? Fire them and replace them with people who also will not likely enforce the new laws?

But of course the poster that supports the police tossing black men into prison forever over minor crimes also supports targeting harmless civilians to enforce unnecessary laws.


Lawmakers representing DC suburbs are going to have to learn the hard way that ineffective and poorly thought out far left laws are not welcome in Virginia and never will be. They're gonna need to start learning one way or another that ignoring the rural counties will not end well for them.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: At-Large Senator LouisvilleThunder on February 12, 2020, 07:49:41 AM
Because when the state's Democratic "base" is affluent, college-educated White people you don't exactly get #revolution.   

If the Democratic base is rich white people then what does that make poor non-whites? ???
Vote fodder for the bougie woke white libs running the party.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: AtorBoltox on February 12, 2020, 09:41:00 AM
If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: DINGO Joe on February 12, 2020, 10:14:18 AM
Have any actual new gun laws been sent to the Gov?  I thought they were still going thru the lege process.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: MasterJedi on February 12, 2020, 01:55:35 PM
If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.

Yes, eliminate all state funding and help for those counties, when they beg for it back make them enforce the laws to receive that funding again. Simple and it will put a dire hurt on these rural Republican welfare queens.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on February 12, 2020, 02:10:23 PM
Virginia Dems are legislating like the Seattle City Council but it's still not enough for you people because they aren't doing stop and frisk on Appalachians.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Gass3268 on February 12, 2020, 03:09:29 PM
This is a good point and they should send troopers into those counties. The rural counties are not the majority and they don't make the rules, so they shouldn't get a free pass.

A handful of state troopers vs thousands of armed citizens. 100% chance the troopers don't win. It's also worth noting that many of the troopers in rural counties made clear they will not enforce these laws. How are you going to force them to do it? Fire them and replace them with people who also will not likely enforce the new laws?

But of course the poster that supports the police tossing black men into prison forever over minor crimes also supports targeting harmless civilians to enforce unnecessary laws.


Lawmakers representing DC suburbs are going to have to learn the hard way that ineffective and poorly thought out far left laws are not welcome in Virginia and never will be. They're gonna need to start learning one way or another that ignoring the rural counties will not end well for them.

Not gonna matter when thousands of Democrats keep moving into NoVA every year and the Richmond suburbs keep moving to the left. The vast majority of Virginians support the new laws passed by the state legislature and are thrilled the state is no longer run by the rural areas of the state. Just because some gun nuts are the loudest doesn't mean they represent the silent majority in the state.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: slothdem on February 12, 2020, 03:38:27 PM

Lawmakers representing DC suburbs are going to have to learn the hard way that ineffective and poorly thought out far left laws are not welcome in Virginia and never will be. They're gonna need to start learning one way or another that ignoring the rural counties will not end well for them.

Alternatively, VA Democrats will pay literally no electoral penalty, because these laws are preferred by a majority of the state. And while obviously rural votes matter in statewide elections, it will soon be the case that Democrats will be able to control the legislature without one single rural vote. Once the new maps are drawn, Democrats will be able to control both chambers with districts entirely within the urban crescent. This isn't even a threat to gerrymander - population changes alone mandate that SWVA coughs up a state senate (that goes to loudon/pwc) and and the rest of the nova seats all recede inwards as well.

The Charlottesville and Roanoke seats are just icing on the cake!


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Yellowhammer on February 12, 2020, 07:59:26 PM
Virginia Dems are legislating like the Seattle City Council but it's still not enough for you people because they aren't doing stop and frisk on Appalachians.

The newly elected Soviet majority in Virginiya Oblast is every bit as acrimonious as the California dems -- pulling that off is quite the "distinction."


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Dr. MB on February 12, 2020, 09:14:33 PM
Usually I’m not a fan of spineless Democrats but I’m not gonna complain when the laws they’re backing out on are bad.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on February 12, 2020, 09:27:09 PM
Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Dr. MB on February 13, 2020, 01:56:21 AM
Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.
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hmm I wonder what the reason for this is....?


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: John Dule on February 13, 2020, 04:28:38 AM
ITT: Democrats #Resisting an authoritarian president by sending stormtroopers into the homes of citizens to search for property to confiscate.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: fhtagn on February 13, 2020, 10:44:45 AM
Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.

Infringing on people's rights and going after harmless citizens over legally acquired property isn't "progress".


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: slothdem on February 13, 2020, 10:59:11 AM
Virginia Dems are legislating like the Seattle City Council but it's still not enough for you people because they aren't doing stop and frisk on Appalachians.

The newly elected Soviet majority in Virginiya Oblast is every bit as acrimonious as the California dems -- pulling that off is quite the "distinction."

They didn't even repeal Right to Work!


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: slothdem on February 13, 2020, 11:00:33 AM
Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.
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hmm I wonder what the reason for this is....?

Yes, but unlike in Ohio and Iowa, that trend map shows an improvement for Democrats. And also the only reason for the (minor) right trend in NN/Hampton/Norfolk/P-town was slightly lower black turnout relative to 2012.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: lfromnj on February 13, 2020, 11:54:33 AM
Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.
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hmm I wonder what the reason for this is....?

The reason is because someone on uselectionatlas dot org triggered the rurals.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on February 13, 2020, 02:48:54 PM
Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.
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hmm I wonder what the reason for this is....?

Rural areas are the past. The suburbs are the future. States like Pennsylvania in the 2018 governor's race show just how irrelevant Dem losses are in flyover country as long as we make gains in the suburbs.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: SteveRogers on February 13, 2020, 04:04:12 PM
ITT: Democrats #Resisting an authoritarian president by sending stormtroopers into the homes of citizens to search for property to confiscate.
The right-wing image of government agents kicking down doors in the dead of night to come take your guns is a fantasy that has little relation to how gun laws are actually enforced in real life.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on February 13, 2020, 04:13:13 PM
Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.
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hmm I wonder what the reason for this is....?

Rural areas are the past. The suburbs are the future. States like Pennsylvania in the 2018 governor's race show just how irrelevant Dem losses are in flyover country as long as we make gains in the suburbs.

Long response: This depends on the state and on exactly how bad the rural bleeding is; getting blown out 65-35 is not the same as getting blown out 80-20. Note the Kentucky 2019 governor's race, and note the infamous Chuck Schumer quote about winning two voters on the Philadelphia Main Line or whatever for every voter lost in Western Pennsylvania.
Short response: okey-dokey, wokie


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Mr. Reactionary on February 13, 2020, 05:36:23 PM
Virginia Dems are legislating like the Seattle City Council but it's still not enough for you people because they aren't doing stop and frisk on Appalachians.

The newly elected Soviet majority in Virginiya Oblast is every bit as acrimonious as the California dems -- pulling that off is quite the "distinction."

They didn't even repeal Right to Work!

And why should they? 96% of Va. Workers choose not to be union members. Why repeal a 70 year old law that clearly isn't in need of change? The only obvious reason is to reward corrupt special interest donors that again only make up 4% of workers. Right to work is Pro Worker for 96% of us. The repeal proposal even called for eliminating the secret ballot in union elections... how the hell is that pro worker?


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on February 13, 2020, 06:01:47 PM
Virginia Dems are legislating like the Seattle City Council but it's still not enough for you people because they aren't doing stop and frisk on Appalachians.

The newly elected Soviet majority in Virginiya Oblast is every bit as acrimonious as the California dems -- pulling that off is quite the "distinction."

They didn't even repeal Right to Work!

And why should they? 96% of Va. Workers choose not to be union members. Why repeal a 70 year old law that clearly isn't in need of change? The only obvious reason is to reward corrupt special interest donors that again only make up 4% of workers. Right to work is Pro Worker for 96% of us. The repeal proposal even called for eliminating the secret ballot in union elections... how the hell is that pro worker?

You realize of course that as a literal card-carrying member of the Federalist Society your perspective on this isn't going to be convincing to leftists either on- or off-forum.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Mr. Reactionary on February 13, 2020, 06:04:38 PM
Virginia Dems are legislating like the Seattle City Council but it's still not enough for you people because they aren't doing stop and frisk on Appalachians.

The newly elected Soviet majority in Virginiya Oblast is every bit as acrimonious as the California dems -- pulling that off is quite the "distinction."

They didn't even repeal Right to Work!

And why should they? 96% of Va. Workers choose not to be union members. Why repeal a 70 year old law that clearly isn't in need of change? The only obvious reason is to reward corrupt special interest donors that again only make up 4% of workers. Right to work is Pro Worker for 96% of us. The repeal proposal even called for eliminating the secret ballot in union elections... how the hell is that pro worker?

You realize of course that as a literal card-carrying member of the Federalist Society your perspective on this isn't going to be convincing to leftists either on- or off-forum.

Of course not ... but it still feels good to speak the truth. ;D


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Dr. MB on February 13, 2020, 06:19:44 PM
Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.
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hmm I wonder what the reason for this is....?

Rural areas are the past. The suburbs are the future. States like Pennsylvania in the 2018 governor's race show just how irrelevant Dem losses are in flyover country as long as we make gains in the suburbs.
It's not just part of America that needs help...it's all of it. And gains in cities and suburbs are great (it helps Democrats win after all) but ignoring a part of the country just cause they didn't vote for you is a pretty bad attitude.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Mr. Reactionary on February 13, 2020, 06:38:08 PM
Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.
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hmm I wonder what the reason for this is....?

Rural areas are the past. The suburbs are the future. States like Pennsylvania in the 2018 governor's race show just how irrelevant Dem losses are in flyover country as long as we make gains in the suburbs.
It's not just part of America that needs help...it's all of it. And gains in cities and suburbs are great (it helps Democrats win after all) but ignoring a part of the country just cause they didn't vote for you is a pretty bad attitude.


Not to mention that the perception of having pretty much all of your voters in one concentrated area while ignoring more or less every other geographic area is disturbingly reminiscent of Panem from the Hunger Games or modern African tribal politics. Yeah, land dont vote, but you're not going to convince me that the opinion of a majority of a distant population on an issue that is largely concentrated somewhere else is always morally superior to the differing opinion of a majority of those who due to geography actually are the ones actually affected. I mean, if "demuhcracy" is so morally right, then if the people of China and India vote that Americans should have to pay a western privilege tax, we should respect the "will of the people" right? Raw vote totals are meaningless without legitimacy, and while there can certainly be some reasonable/necessary scaling of geography at the federal and state levels where we all have "some" say over potentially local policies, the continued segregation of voters is going to be seen as less and less legitimate over time.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Idaho Conservative on February 13, 2020, 08:54:41 PM
If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out. 


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on February 13, 2020, 10:52:59 PM
Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.
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hmm I wonder what the reason for this is....?

Rural areas are the past. The suburbs are the future. States like Pennsylvania in the 2018 governor's race show just how irrelevant Dem losses are in flyover country as long as we make gains in the suburbs.

Long response: This depends on the state and on exactly how bad the rural bleeding is; getting blown out 65-35 is not the same as getting blown out 80-20. Note the Kentucky 2019 governor's race, and note the infamous Chuck Schumer quote about winning two voters on the Philadelphia Main Line or whatever for every voter lost in Western Pennsylvania.
Short response: okey-dokey, wokie

Alright, fine, we shouldn't ignore them. But we shouldn't bend over for them. Gun control will save lives and a rural county with a population of 1,500 shouldn't be holding the state legislature back.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on February 13, 2020, 10:55:26 PM
If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out. 

That would work out just fine since the wealth is mainly concentrated in NoVa.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on February 13, 2020, 11:14:19 PM
If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out. 

That would work out just fine since the wealth is mainly concentrated in NoVa.


and why is that, anyway?


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Idaho Conservative on February 14, 2020, 12:46:01 AM
If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out. 

That would work out just fine since the wealth is mainly concentrated in NoVa.
Richmond still gets billions from the rest of the state.  NoVa being richer than other areas doesn't mean that is where most of the revenue comes from. 


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: fhtagn on February 14, 2020, 01:01:14 AM
If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out.  

That would work out just fine since the wealth is mainly concentrated in NoVa.

Atlas Dems admitting that they think wealthy people are more important and are allowed to strip poor people of their rights.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Calthrina950 on February 14, 2020, 02:00:04 AM
If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out.  

That would work out just fine since the wealth is mainly concentrated in NoVa.

Atlas Dems admitting that they think wealthy people are more important and are allowed to strip poor people of their rights.

It amazes me the extent to which the Democratic Party has become the party of the rich. I recall reading an article somewhere (I think it was on Yahoo News) that all ten of the country's wealthiest congressional districts are now represented by Democrats. Extremely wealthy areas like the Upper East Side of Manhattan, Westchester County, the D.C. and Northern Virginia suburbs, the Chicago suburbs, Middlesex County, Fairfield County, the San Francisco Bay Area, etc. are all solidly Democratic now, and becoming even more so. And other wealthy areas-Orange County, the Atlanta suburbs, Fort Bend County, etc.-are moving relentlessly away from Republicans.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Calthrina950 on February 14, 2020, 02:02:54 AM
Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.
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hmm I wonder what the reason for this is....?

Rural areas are the past. The suburbs are the future. States like Pennsylvania in the 2018 governor's race show just how irrelevant Dem losses are in flyover country as long as we make gains in the suburbs.

This is true, but it's still depressing, in my view, even though I've recognized long since that rural areas are completely unreceptive to Democrats, and in many states are written off. In Pennsylvania for example, Tom Wolf lost ancestrally Democratic Greene County, a working-class county near Pittsburgh that had been with the Party ever since the days of Andrew Jackson, and picked up ancestrally Republican Cumberland County, one of the wealthiest counties in the state. The Democrats' shift into becoming the party of the wealthy and the educated seems at odds with the historical traditions (i.e. the "common man", immigrants, and the working class) that underlay its creation.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Mr. Reactionary on February 14, 2020, 07:21:15 AM
The Democrats' shift into becoming the party of the wealthy and the educated seems at odds with the historical traditions (i.e. the "common man", immigrants, and the working class) that underlay its creation.

One increasingly needs the resources to obtain a social science degree from an expensive school just to understand the new Democrat jargon.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: DINGO Joe on February 14, 2020, 11:13:15 AM
I guess it's how you define Working Class.  In Loudon County VA the workforce participation rate is 75.3%, in Buchanan County VA the workforce participation rate is 37.3%

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/map/loudouncountyvirginia,US,mcdowellcountywestvirginia,WV/LFE041218


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Badger on February 14, 2020, 11:24:01 AM
Virginia Dems are legislating like the Seattle City Council but it's still not enough for you people because they aren't doing stop and frisk on Appalachians.

The newly elected Soviet majority in Virginiya Oblast is every bit as acrimonious as the California dems -- pulling that off is quite the "distinction."

They didn't even repeal Right to Work!

And why should they? 96% of Va. Workers choose not to be union members. Why repeal a 70 year old law that clearly isn't in need of change? The only obvious reason is to reward corrupt special interest donors that again only make up 4% of workers. Right to work is Pro Worker for 96% of us. The repeal proposal even called for eliminating the secret ballot in union elections... how the hell is that pro worker?

Your claim that 96% of Virginia workers "chose" not to be unionized is either grossly misleading or grossly ignorant, or possibly a bit of both. First off, the vast majority of workers don't Indian eyes effectively can't because of modern economics Alaska industrial jobs requiring at least some technical know-how are shrinking. Secondly, more like here, even among those there are tremendous pressures in flouting of the law keeping such people from unionizing, ergo the need to get rid of Right to Work.

I understand it makes you feel good to Envision. Most Virginians are just hardworking people who don't want anything to do with them big city Union bosses blah blah blah oh, but given the choice I submit the vast majority of workers would much prefer to block an organization that might take 2% of their paycheck but helps ensure higher wages and better benefits / safety.

And that's the reason people like you are truly afraid of repealing right to work. Not because most workers so cold and choose not to be nice, but given an opportunity most workers will gladly take that option. And that is destructive to the right-wing Coalition of you and yours. The number one determinant of whether or not a white male will support Democrats whether or not they have a master's degree or greater, or a union card.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Frodo on February 14, 2020, 11:35:38 AM
First off, the vast majority of workers don't Indian eyes effectively can't because of modern economics Alaska industrial jobs requiring at least some technical know-how are shrinking.

I love your voice-to-text app...  


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: OSR stands with Israel on February 14, 2020, 11:38:13 AM
If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out.  

That would work out just fine since the wealth is mainly concentrated in NoVa.

Atlas Dems admitting that they think wealthy people are more important and are allowed to strip poor people of their rights.

It amazes me the extent to which the Democratic Party has become the party of the rich. I recall reading an article somewhere (I think it was on Yahoo News) that all ten of the country's wealthiest congressional districts are now represented by Democrats. Extremely wealthy areas like the Upper East Side of Manhattan, Westchester County, the D.C. and Northern Virginia suburbs, the Chicago suburbs, Middlesex County, Fairfield County, the San Francisco Bay Area, etc. are all solidly Democratic now, and becoming even more so. And other wealthy areas-Orange County, the Atlanta suburbs, Fort Bend County, etc.-are moving relentlessly away from Republicans.


Well To be fair wealthy areas  does not equal wealthy people . In fact areas like NoVA and the Bay Area being so wealthy make those areas super expensive for most people there so policies like rent control and all become more popular(even though they aren’t good policies ).


For example Republicans still may be winning the vote of the wealthy people in many of those areas , it’s just that it’s not nearly enough to win those counties


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on February 14, 2020, 11:56:23 AM
We have an R Prez still, and Dem agenda is stalled until a new Dem Prez is sworn in


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: UncleSam on February 14, 2020, 12:43:53 PM
If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.

Yes, eliminate all state funding and help for those counties, when they beg for it back make them enforce the laws to receive that funding again. Simple and it will put a dire hurt on these rural Republican welfare queens.
Kind of like how the federal government should withhold funding from sanctuary cities that refuse to enforce the law, right?


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: fhtagn on February 14, 2020, 12:47:27 PM
I guess it's how you define Working Class.  In Loudon County VA the workforce participation rate is 75.3%, in Buchanan County VA the workforce participation rate is 37.3%

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/map/loudouncountyvirginia,US,mcdowellcountywestvirginia,WV/LFE041218

https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2017/07/loudoun-dubbed-richest-county-america-census-bureau/

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Virginia’s Loudoun County has the highest median household income in the United States, with several nearby jurisdictions in Virginia and Maryland close behind, according to the latest U.S. Census Bureau estimates.

Loudoun County’s median household income is $125,900. No. 2 on the list is the City of Falls Church in Virginia, with $122,092.

Nearby Fairfax County, third on the list, has a median household income of $112,844


Edit: in case someone wants to point out the article I posted was from 2017, not much has changed, as proven with this is from 2019:

https://www.loudountimes.com/business/loudoun-county-again-tops-in-the-nation-in-median-household/article_04019b78-e90d-11e9-b29f-afd4cca3c2e8.html

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Loudoun County continues to hold the top spot in the U.S. for median household income, according to a recent survey published by the U.S. Census Bureau. Loudoun, which county officials say has held the top spot for the past 12 years, came in at $139,915 in 2018.

Nearby Arlington County came in at No. 5 with $122,394...

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In the Washington region, Loudoun has the highest household income distribution over $150,000 at 46.4 percent. In terms of renting and leasing in the region, Loudoun also holds the top spot with five or more-bedroom homes (14.4 percent), and ranks second with four-bedroom homes (33.4 percent).


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: fhtagn on February 14, 2020, 12:58:11 PM
Virginia Dems are legislating like the Seattle City Council but it's still not enough for you people because they aren't doing stop and frisk on Appalachians.

The newly elected Soviet majority in Virginiya Oblast is every bit as acrimonious as the California dems -- pulling that off is quite the "distinction."

They didn't even repeal Right to Work!

And why should they? 96% of Va. Workers choose not to be union members. Why repeal a 70 year old law that clearly isn't in need of change? The only obvious reason is to reward corrupt special interest donors that again only make up 4% of workers. Right to work is Pro Worker for 96% of us. The repeal proposal even called for eliminating the secret ballot in union elections... how the hell is that pro worker?

Your claim that 96% of Virginia workers "chose" not to be unionized is either grossly misleading or grossly ignorant, or possibly a bit of both. First off, the vast majority of workers don't Indian eyes effectively can't because of modern economics Alaska industrial jobs requiring at least some technical know-how are shrinking. Secondly, more like here, even among those there are tremendous pressures in flouting of the law keeping such people from unionizing, ergo the need to get rid of Right to Work.

I understand it makes you feel good to Envision. Most Virginians are just hardworking people who don't want anything to do with them big city Union bosses blah blah blah oh, but given the choice I submit the vast majority of workers would much prefer to block an organization that might take 2% of their paycheck but helps ensure higher wages and better benefits / safety.

And that's the reason people like you are truly afraid of repealing right to work. Not because most workers so cold and choose not to be nice, but given an opportunity most workers will gladly take that option. And that is destructive to the right-wing Coalition of you and yours. The number one determinant of whether or not a white male will support Democrats whether or not they have a master's degree or greater, or a union card.

In the field I work in, I guarantee no one wants more of their paycheck taken out to pay into a group they don't want to be in and cares more about power than actually helping them. Even those I know who have worked for companies that have unionized have said they aren't worth it.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: DINGO Joe on February 14, 2020, 03:07:30 PM
I guess it's how you define Working Class.  In Loudon County VA the workforce participation rate is 75.3%, in Buchanan County VA the workforce participation rate is 37.3%

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/map/loudouncountyvirginia,US,mcdowellcountywestvirginia,WV/LFE041218

https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2017/07/loudoun-dubbed-richest-county-america-census-bureau/

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Virginia’s Loudoun County has the highest median household income in the United States, with several nearby jurisdictions in Virginia and Maryland close behind, according to the latest U.S. Census Bureau estimates.

Loudoun County’s median household income is $125,900. No. 2 on the list is the City of Falls Church in Virginia, with $122,092.

Nearby Fairfax County, third on the list, has a median household income of $112,844


Edit: in case someone wants to point out the article I posted was from 2017, not much has changed, as proven with this is from 2019:

https://www.loudountimes.com/business/loudoun-county-again-tops-in-the-nation-in-median-household/article_04019b78-e90d-11e9-b29f-afd4cca3c2e8.html

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Loudoun County continues to hold the top spot in the U.S. for median household income, according to a recent survey published by the U.S. Census Bureau. Loudoun, which county officials say has held the top spot for the past 12 years, came in at $139,915 in 2018.

Nearby Arlington County came in at No. 5 with $122,394...

...

In the Washington region, Loudoun has the highest household income distribution over $150,000 at 46.4 percent. In terms of renting and leasing in the region, Loudoun also holds the top spot with five or more-bedroom homes (14.4 percent), and ranks second with four-bedroom homes (33.4 percent).


Yeah Loudon is rich and Buchanan is poor, we all knew that

Well, they are working in Loudon, far, far more than the people left in Buchanan county, so i guess they are the working class.  What's  still in Buchanan is more the "elderly, disabled, let's house some prisoners, government check, left behind class"  Or maybe you can call them the death class as deaths exceed births in these counties, sometimes by 2-1.  Pretty much anything west of I-81 and much of the Southside are like this. 


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: fhtagn on February 14, 2020, 03:27:56 PM
I guess it's how you define Working Class.  In Loudon County VA the workforce participation rate is 75.3%, in Buchanan County VA the workforce participation rate is 37.3%

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/map/loudouncountyvirginia,US,mcdowellcountywestvirginia,WV/LFE041218

https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2017/07/loudoun-dubbed-richest-county-america-census-bureau/

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Virginia’s Loudoun County has the highest median household income in the United States, with several nearby jurisdictions in Virginia and Maryland close behind, according to the latest U.S. Census Bureau estimates.

Loudoun County’s median household income is $125,900. No. 2 on the list is the City of Falls Church in Virginia, with $122,092.

Nearby Fairfax County, third on the list, has a median household income of $112,844


Edit: in case someone wants to point out the article I posted was from 2017, not much has changed, as proven with this is from 2019:

https://www.loudountimes.com/business/loudoun-county-again-tops-in-the-nation-in-median-household/article_04019b78-e90d-11e9-b29f-afd4cca3c2e8.html

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Loudoun County continues to hold the top spot in the U.S. for median household income, according to a recent survey published by the U.S. Census Bureau. Loudoun, which county officials say has held the top spot for the past 12 years, came in at $139,915 in 2018.

Nearby Arlington County came in at No. 5 with $122,394...

...

In the Washington region, Loudoun has the highest household income distribution over $150,000 at 46.4 percent. In terms of renting and leasing in the region, Loudoun also holds the top spot with five or more-bedroom homes (14.4 percent), and ranks second with four-bedroom homes (33.4 percent).


Yeah Loudon is rich and Buchanan is poor, we all knew that

Well, they are working in Loudon, far, far more than the people left in Buchanan county, so i guess they are the working class.  What's  still in Buchanan is more the "elderly, disabled, let's house some prisoners, government check, left behind class"  Or maybe you can call them the death class as deaths exceed births in these counties, sometimes by 2-1.  Pretty much anything west of I-81 and much of the Southside are like this. 

Thank you for continuing to prove my point that Atlas Dems clearly think rich people are more important than poor people and have the right to restrict poor people's rights.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: DINGO Joe on February 14, 2020, 04:36:24 PM
I guess it's how you define Working Class.  In Loudon County VA the workforce participation rate is 75.3%, in Buchanan County VA the workforce participation rate is 37.3%

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/map/loudouncountyvirginia,US,mcdowellcountywestvirginia,WV/LFE041218

https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2017/07/loudoun-dubbed-richest-county-america-census-bureau/

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Virginia’s Loudoun County has the highest median household income in the United States, with several nearby jurisdictions in Virginia and Maryland close behind, according to the latest U.S. Census Bureau estimates.

Loudoun County’s median household income is $125,900. No. 2 on the list is the City of Falls Church in Virginia, with $122,092.

Nearby Fairfax County, third on the list, has a median household income of $112,844


Edit: in case someone wants to point out the article I posted was from 2017, not much has changed, as proven with this is from 2019:

https://www.loudountimes.com/business/loudoun-county-again-tops-in-the-nation-in-median-household/article_04019b78-e90d-11e9-b29f-afd4cca3c2e8.html

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Loudoun County continues to hold the top spot in the U.S. for median household income, according to a recent survey published by the U.S. Census Bureau. Loudoun, which county officials say has held the top spot for the past 12 years, came in at $139,915 in 2018.

Nearby Arlington County came in at No. 5 with $122,394...

...

In the Washington region, Loudoun has the highest household income distribution over $150,000 at 46.4 percent. In terms of renting and leasing in the region, Loudoun also holds the top spot with five or more-bedroom homes (14.4 percent), and ranks second with four-bedroom homes (33.4 percent).


Yeah Loudon is rich and Buchanan is poor, we all knew that

Well, they are working in Loudon, far, far more than the people left in Buchanan county, so i guess they are the working class.  What's  still in Buchanan is more the "elderly, disabled, let's house some prisoners, government check, left behind class"  Or maybe you can call them the death class as deaths exceed births in these counties, sometimes by 2-1.  Pretty much anything west of I-81 and much of the Southside are like this. 

Thank you for continuing to prove my point that Atlas Dems clearly think rich people are more important than poor people and have the right to restrict poor people's rights.


We haven't even begun to talk about any of that.  As i so simply pointed out in my original post, an individual over the age of 16 is twice as likely to have a job in Loudon  compared to Buchanan.  So which county is "working class"?

Once upon a time, like in 1960,  Buchanan cast more votes than Loudon and even voted for that Catholic while Loudon voted for Trick Dick.  Of course, now Loudon casts 25X more votes than Buchanan, so what with one person one vote it carries a bit more weight these days.

Government has been very generous to Buchanan over the years,  funded many initiatives, moved the town of Grundy when it completed flooded, put a prison there (despite it being bad public policy to put one so far in BFE) and gave them some jobs as their coal mines were automated and then began to peter out. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/06/business/economy/coal-future-virginia.html

So where are they are now?  22% of the population is 65 or over (vs 9% in Loudon)  19% of the under 65 population has a disability (vs 4% in Loudon)  Last Census year, they had 155 births and 309 deaths (Loudon had 5305 births and 1562 deaths). 

So, if Buchanan doesn't enforce any new gun laws even the constitutional ones, should Va cut them off? Should Buchanan join WV (who can't give them as much money as VA does) and lose their prison and the jobs that came with it?  Should VA just leave them alone?

Doesn't really matter as they are going extinct anyway,  but I would say that any county that refused to enforced a constitutional legal gun law should be penalized by having road funds taken away.  Reagan did something like that in 80s to force states to raise the drinking age to 21.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: PragmaticPopulist on February 14, 2020, 04:53:18 PM
I guess it's how you define Working Class.  In Loudon County VA the workforce participation rate is 75.3%, in Buchanan County VA the workforce participation rate is 37.3%

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/map/loudouncountyvirginia,US,mcdowellcountywestvirginia,WV/LFE041218

https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2017/07/loudoun-dubbed-richest-county-america-census-bureau/

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Virginia’s Loudoun County has the highest median household income in the United States, with several nearby jurisdictions in Virginia and Maryland close behind, according to the latest U.S. Census Bureau estimates.

Loudoun County’s median household income is $125,900. No. 2 on the list is the City of Falls Church in Virginia, with $122,092.

Nearby Fairfax County, third on the list, has a median household income of $112,844


Edit: in case someone wants to point out the article I posted was from 2017, not much has changed, as proven with this is from 2019:

https://www.loudountimes.com/business/loudoun-county-again-tops-in-the-nation-in-median-household/article_04019b78-e90d-11e9-b29f-afd4cca3c2e8.html

Quote
Loudoun County continues to hold the top spot in the U.S. for median household income, according to a recent survey published by the U.S. Census Bureau. Loudoun, which county officials say has held the top spot for the past 12 years, came in at $139,915 in 2018.

Nearby Arlington County came in at No. 5 with $122,394...

...

In the Washington region, Loudoun has the highest household income distribution over $150,000 at 46.4 percent. In terms of renting and leasing in the region, Loudoun also holds the top spot with five or more-bedroom homes (14.4 percent), and ranks second with four-bedroom homes (33.4 percent).


Yeah Loudon is rich and Buchanan is poor, we all knew that

Well, they are working in Loudon, far, far more than the people left in Buchanan county, so i guess they are the working class.  What's  still in Buchanan is more the "elderly, disabled, let's house some prisoners, government check, left behind class"  Or maybe you can call them the death class as deaths exceed births in these counties, sometimes by 2-1.  Pretty much anything west of I-81 and much of the Southside are like this. 

Thank you for continuing to prove my point that Atlas Dems clearly think rich people are more important than poor people and have the right to restrict poor people's rights.


We haven't even begun to talk about any of that.  As i so simply pointed out in my original post, an individual over the age of 16 is twice as likely to have a job in Loudon  compared to Buchanan.  So which county is "working class"?

Once upon a time, like in 1960,  Buchanan cast more votes than Loudon and even voted for that Catholic while Loudon voted for Trick Dick.  Of course, now Loudon casts 25X more votes than Buchanan, so what with one person one vote it carries a bit more weight these days.

Government has been very generous to Buchanan over the years,  funded many initiatives, moved the town of Grundy when it completed flooded, put a prison there (despite it being bad public policy to put one so far in BFE) and gave them some jobs as their coal mines were automated and then began to peter out. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/06/business/economy/coal-future-virginia.html

So where are they are now?  22% of the population is 65 or over (vs 9% in Loudon)  19% of the under 65 population has a disability (vs 4% in Loudon)  Last Census year, they had 155 births and 309 deaths (Loudon had 5305 births and 1562 deaths). 

So, if Buchanan doesn't enforce any new gun laws even the constitutional ones, should Va cut them off? Should Buchanan join WV (who can't give them as much money as VA does) and lose their prison and the jobs that came with it?  Should VA just leave them alone?

Doesn't really matter as they are going extinct anyway,  but I would say that any county that refused to enforced a constitutional legal gun law should be penalized by having road funds taken away.  Reagan did something like that in 80s to force states to raise the drinking age to 21.

Basically this. Places like Buchanan County need funds to help their struggling population and put people to work. If you're going to incentivize the county enforcing state laws, punish them through something that doesn't outright harm the people living there.

And to those saying that Democrats do not need the votes of rural areas: it's that sort of dismissive attitude that the people living there hate about Democrats today. They think the party is a bunch of well-off people who look down their noses at people like them.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: slothdem on February 14, 2020, 05:03:15 PM
The flip-side of the "Dems don't care about rural americans" is that Republicans not only don't care about urban americans (especially "urban" americans), they are explicit that they are not "real" Americans at all and not legitimate political actors.

In fact, animosity against "those" people has been the guiding ideology of the GOP since 1968!


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Mr. Reactionary on February 14, 2020, 06:25:21 PM
I guess it's how you define Working Class.  In Loudon County VA the workforce participation rate is 75.3%, in Buchanan County VA the workforce participation rate is 37.3%

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/map/loudouncountyvirginia,US,mcdowellcountywestvirginia,WV/LFE041218

https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2017/07/loudoun-dubbed-richest-county-america-census-bureau/

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Virginia’s Loudoun County has the highest median household income in the United States, with several nearby jurisdictions in Virginia and Maryland close behind, according to the latest U.S. Census Bureau estimates.

Loudoun County’s median household income is $125,900. No. 2 on the list is the City of Falls Church in Virginia, with $122,092.

Nearby Fairfax County, third on the list, has a median household income of $112,844


Edit: in case someone wants to point out the article I posted was from 2017, not much has changed, as proven with this is from 2019:

https://www.loudountimes.com/business/loudoun-county-again-tops-in-the-nation-in-median-household/article_04019b78-e90d-11e9-b29f-afd4cca3c2e8.html

Quote
Loudoun County continues to hold the top spot in the U.S. for median household income, according to a recent survey published by the U.S. Census Bureau. Loudoun, which county officials say has held the top spot for the past 12 years, came in at $139,915 in 2018.

Nearby Arlington County came in at No. 5 with $122,394...

...

In the Washington region, Loudoun has the highest household income distribution over $150,000 at 46.4 percent. In terms of renting and leasing in the region, Loudoun also holds the top spot with five or more-bedroom homes (14.4 percent), and ranks second with four-bedroom homes (33.4 percent).


Yeah Loudon is rich and Buchanan is poor, we all knew that

Well, they are working in Loudon, far, far more than the people left in Buchanan county, so i guess they are the working class.  What's  still in Buchanan is more the "elderly, disabled, let's house some prisoners, government check, left behind class"  Or maybe you can call them the death class as deaths exceed births in these counties, sometimes by 2-1.  Pretty much anything west of I-81 and much of the Southside are like this. 

Thank you for continuing to prove my point that Atlas Dems clearly think rich people are more important than poor people and have the right to restrict poor people's rights.


We haven't even begun to talk about any of that.  As i so simply pointed out in my original post, an individual over the age of 16 is twice as likely to have a job in Loudon  compared to Buchanan.  So which county is "working class"?

Once upon a time, like in 1960,  Buchanan cast more votes than Loudon and even voted for that Catholic while Loudon voted for Trick Dick.  Of course, now Loudon casts 25X more votes than Buchanan, so what with one person one vote it carries a bit more weight these days.

Government has been very generous to Buchanan over the years,  funded many initiatives, moved the town of Grundy when it completed flooded, put a prison there (despite it being bad public policy to put one so far in BFE) and gave them some jobs as their coal mines were automated and then began to peter out. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/06/business/economy/coal-future-virginia.html

So where are they are now?  22% of the population is 65 or over (vs 9% in Loudon)  19% of the under 65 population has a disability (vs 4% in Loudon)  Last Census year, they had 155 births and 309 deaths (Loudon had 5305 births and 1562 deaths). 

So, if Buchanan doesn't enforce any new gun laws even the constitutional ones, should Va cut them off? Should Buchanan join WV (who can't give them as much money as VA does) and lose their prison and the jobs that came with it?  Should VA just leave them alone?

Doesn't really matter as they are going extinct anyway,  but I would say that any county that refused to enforced a constitutional legal gun law should be penalized by having road funds taken away.  Reagan did something like that in 80s to force states to raise the drinking age to 21.

Basically this. Places like Buchanan County need funds to help their struggling population and put people to work. If you're going to incentivize the county enforcing state laws, punish them through something that doesn't outright harm the people living there.

And to those saying that Democrats do not need the votes of rural areas: it's that sort of dismissive attitude that the people living there hate about Democrats today. They think the party is a bunch of well-off people who look down their noses at people like them.

Most if us would rather be poor and free than still poor and dominated.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Pericles on February 14, 2020, 06:30:35 PM
The flip-side of the "Dems don't care about rural americans" is that Republicans not only don't care about urban americans (especially "urban" americans), they are explicit that they are not "real" Americans at all and not legitimate political actors.

In fact, animosity against "those" people has been the guiding ideology of the GOP since 1968!

Republicans only pretend to care about rural Americans anyway, their policies harm their own base-perhaps more than those policies harm the Democratic base.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on February 14, 2020, 06:46:35 PM
What's  still in Buchanan is more the "elderly, disabled, let's house some prisoners, government check, left behind class"

And the "elderly, disabled, let's house some prisoners, government check, left behind vote" should be a key part of the Democratic coalition in a sane political alignment.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: fhtagn on February 14, 2020, 07:16:50 PM
The flip-side of the "Dems don't care about rural americans" is that Republicans not only don't care about urban americans (especially "urban" americans), they are explicit that they are not "real" Americans at all and not legitimate political actors.

In fact, animosity against "those" people has been the guiding ideology of the GOP since 1968!

Republicans only pretend to care about rural Americans anyway, their policies harm their own base-perhaps more than those policies harm the Democratic base.

Dem policies often do more harm than good to their own base. They just pander enough to make it look like they care.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: DINGO Joe on February 14, 2020, 09:58:03 PM
What's  still in Buchanan is more the "elderly, disabled, let's house some prisoners, government check, left behind class"

And the "elderly, disabled, let's house some prisoners, government check, left behind vote" should be a key part of the Democratic coalition in a sane political alignment.

That fine, I believe in the greater good.  Though, again I don't like putting prisons in a far inaccessible corner of the state where it's difficult for family to visit just because there's no other form of economic development available.  I'm also not opposed to idea of relocation aid for people stuck in places with no opportunity, though I'm sure that would be an upsetting idea to many.

Of course, Trump gonna make coal great again, so why do anything?


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on February 14, 2020, 10:02:06 PM
The flip-side of the "Dems don't care about rural americans" is that Republicans not only don't care about urban americans (especially "urban" americans), they are explicit that they are not "real" Americans at all and not legitimate political actors.

In fact, animosity against "those" people has been the guiding ideology of the GOP since 1968!

Republicans only pretend to care about rural Americans anyway, their policies harm their own base-perhaps more than those policies harm the Democratic base.

Dem policies often do more harm than good to their own base. They just pander enough to make it look like they care.

Is it really "pandering" when our party is the one willing to stick up for minorities when the other could honestly care less about them?


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: R.P. McM on February 14, 2020, 10:19:21 PM
Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.
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hmm I wonder what the reason for this is....?

Rural areas are the past. The suburbs are the future. States like Pennsylvania in the 2018 governor's race show just how irrelevant Dem losses are in flyover country as long as we make gains in the suburbs.
It's not just part of America that needs help...it's all of it. And gains in cities and suburbs are great (it helps Democrats win after all) but ignoring a part of the country just cause they didn't vote for you is a pretty bad attitude.


Oh, STFU. When they voted for a traitorous, authoritarian, racist sexual predator, that was the last straw. If they really wanted help, they would show a modicum of humility. Instead, they set out to force minority rule upon the rest of us. So they need to be crushed, deservedly. This is something for the defenders of racist, rural whites to consider: even four years ago, there might have been restraint. And I myself am white. But now, when the levee breaks, there will be no mercy, no quarter. So pat yourselves on the back for electing Trump.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Mr. Reactionary on February 14, 2020, 10:31:58 PM
Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.
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hmm I wonder what the reason for this is....?

Rural areas are the past. The suburbs are the future. States like Pennsylvania in the 2018 governor's race show just how irrelevant Dem losses are in flyover country as long as we make gains in the suburbs.
It's not just part of America that needs help...it's all of it. And gains in cities and suburbs are great (it helps Democrats win after all) but ignoring a part of the country just cause they didn't vote for you is a pretty bad attitude.


Oh, STFU. When they voted for a traitorous, authoritarian, racist sexual predator, that was the last straw. If they really wanted help, they would show a modicum of humility. Instead, they set out to force minority rule upon the rest of us. So they need to be crushed, deservedly. This is something for the defenders of racist, rural whites to consider: even four years ago, there might have been restraint. And I myself am white. But now, when the levee breaks, there will be no mercy, no quarter. So pat yourselves on the back for electing Trump.

The 3 Democrat executives overseeing this are two minstrel performers and a rapist. There is no moral high ground. Neither party cares about anyone other than big donors.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: R.P. McM on February 14, 2020, 10:40:17 PM
Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.
()
()
()


hmm I wonder what the reason for this is....?

Rural areas are the past. The suburbs are the future. States like Pennsylvania in the 2018 governor's race show just how irrelevant Dem losses are in flyover country as long as we make gains in the suburbs.
It's not just part of America that needs help...it's all of it. And gains in cities and suburbs are great (it helps Democrats win after all) but ignoring a part of the country just cause they didn't vote for you is a pretty bad attitude.


Oh, STFU. When they voted for a traitorous, authoritarian, racist sexual predator, that was the last straw. If they really wanted help, they would show a modicum of humility. Instead, they set out to force minority rule upon the rest of us. So they need to be crushed, deservedly. This is something for the defenders of racist, rural whites to consider: even four years ago, there might have been restraint. And I myself am white. But now, when the levee breaks, there will be no mercy, no quarter. So pat yourselves on the back for electing Trump.

The 3 Democrat executives overseeing this are two minstrel performers and a rapist. There is no moral high ground. Neither party cares about anyone other than big donors.

We're not going to venture down this BS road of moral equivalency. How many Democrats knew about Northam or Fairfax prior to the election? How many called for their removal? Yeah, you have zero credibility, so just can it.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Mr. Reactionary on February 14, 2020, 10:48:05 PM
Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.
()
()
()


hmm I wonder what the reason for this is....?

Rural areas are the past. The suburbs are the future. States like Pennsylvania in the 2018 governor's race show just how irrelevant Dem losses are in flyover country as long as we make gains in the suburbs.
It's not just part of America that needs help...it's all of it. And gains in cities and suburbs are great (it helps Democrats win after all) but ignoring a part of the country just cause they didn't vote for you is a pretty bad attitude.


Oh, STFU. When they voted for a traitorous, authoritarian, racist sexual predator, that was the last straw. If they really wanted help, they would show a modicum of humility. Instead, they set out to force minority rule upon the rest of us. So they need to be crushed, deservedly. This is something for the defenders of racist, rural whites to consider: even four years ago, there might have been restraint. And I myself am white. But now, when the levee breaks, there will be no mercy, no quarter. So pat yourselves on the back for electing Trump.

The 3 Democrat executives overseeing this are two minstrel performers and a rapist. There is no moral high ground. Neither party cares about anyone other than big donors.

We're not going to venture down this BS road of moral equivalency. How many Democrats knew about Northam or Fairfax prior to the election? How many called for their removal? Yeah, you have zero credibility, so just can it.

Haven't heard a damn peep about "calls for removal" in close to a year from the Dems here.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Dr. MB on February 14, 2020, 11:03:40 PM
Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.
()
()
()


hmm I wonder what the reason for this is....?

Rural areas are the past. The suburbs are the future. States like Pennsylvania in the 2018 governor's race show just how irrelevant Dem losses are in flyover country as long as we make gains in the suburbs.
It's not just part of America that needs help...it's all of it. And gains in cities and suburbs are great (it helps Democrats win after all) but ignoring a part of the country just cause they didn't vote for you is a pretty bad attitude.


Oh, STFU. When they voted for a traitorous, authoritarian, racist sexual predator, that was the last straw. If they really wanted help, they would show a modicum of humility. Instead, they set out to force minority rule upon the rest of us. So they need to be crushed, deservedly. This is something for the defenders of racist, rural whites to consider: even four years ago, there might have been restraint. And I myself am white. But now, when the levee breaks, there will be no mercy, no quarter. So pat yourselves on the back for electing Trump.
I'm as anti Trump as they come but like...do you ever actually go out and talk to people? People have their reasons for backing him and while most of the time they are in fact stupid reasons does this make them somehow a bad person? I don't think so.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: R.P. McM on February 14, 2020, 11:18:39 PM
Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.
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hmm I wonder what the reason for this is....?

Rural areas are the past. The suburbs are the future. States like Pennsylvania in the 2018 governor's race show just how irrelevant Dem losses are in flyover country as long as we make gains in the suburbs.
It's not just part of America that needs help...it's all of it. And gains in cities and suburbs are great (it helps Democrats win after all) but ignoring a part of the country just cause they didn't vote for you is a pretty bad attitude.


Oh, STFU. When they voted for a traitorous, authoritarian, racist sexual predator, that was the last straw. If they really wanted help, they would show a modicum of humility. Instead, they set out to force minority rule upon the rest of us. So they need to be crushed, deservedly. This is something for the defenders of racist, rural whites to consider: even four years ago, there might have been restraint. And I myself am white. But now, when the levee breaks, there will be no mercy, no quarter. So pat yourselves on the back for electing Trump.
I'm as anti Trump as they come but like...do you ever actually go out and talk to people? People have their reasons for backing him and while most of the time they are in fact stupid reasons does this make them somehow a bad person? I don't think so.

So, the reasons are stupid. And Trump is a racist, traitorous, authoritarian sexual predator. Which he has never even semi-coherently attempted to conceal. And you're wondering whether knowingly electing such a rancid demagogue makes you a bad person? Well ... yeah. Duh. Of course I'm going to think you're a POS — didn't we all take 8th-grade civics? Hitler = bad. Mussolini = bad. Franco = bad. Stalin = bad. KKK = bad. McCarthy = bad. Crosby = bad. Weinstein = bad. You need to stop apologizing for these folks — they are what they are.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: fhtagn on February 15, 2020, 12:08:57 AM
The flip-side of the "Dems don't care about rural americans" is that Republicans not only don't care about urban americans (especially "urban" americans), they are explicit that they are not "real" Americans at all and not legitimate political actors.

In fact, animosity against "those" people has been the guiding ideology of the GOP since 1968!

Republicans only pretend to care about rural Americans anyway, their policies harm their own base-perhaps more than those policies harm the Democratic base.

Dem policies often do more harm than good to their own base. They just pander enough to make it look like they care.

Is it really "pandering" when our party is the one willing to stick up for minorities when the other could honestly care less about them?

When their policies cause harm to minorities, yes, it is pandering.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Idaho Conservative on February 15, 2020, 01:15:51 AM
If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out.  

Good — let them go feral. Remember: they leech off of us, not the other way around. And if they want to organize a violent insurrection — which is exactly what you're threatening — they can confront the full force of a lavishly funded, technologically sophisticated attack. They'll be wiped out, just like their depraved Confederate brethren a century ago.
I am suggesting nonviolent resistance to unjust laws, you are the one advocating violence buddy.  Yeah, I guess you could send tanks across the hills or use drones on fellow Americans risking a civil war or insubordination from soldiers who won't murder the people they are supposed to be protecting.  Also, just ask the Viet Cong about lavishly funded, technologically sophisticated attacks.   Some people say the second amendment is useless because the government has more tech, remember such a conflict would not be a conventional war like the Civil War was.  To be 100% clear, I am not suggesting or hoping for a civil war, I'm just outlining how the violence you are advocating for would play out.  I don't know who would win, but I know who would lose: our nation.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: dead0man on February 15, 2020, 04:49:53 AM
He knows, most of them know.  To many on that side, it's one of the best parts of gun control.....the inevitable dead cops and white people.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Fuzzy Stands With His Friend, Chairman Sanchez on February 15, 2020, 07:35:58 AM
Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.
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hmm I wonder what the reason for this is....?

Rural areas are the past. The suburbs are the future. States like Pennsylvania in the 2018 governor's race show just how irrelevant Dem losses are in flyover country as long as we make gains in the suburbs.
It's not just part of America that needs help...it's all of it. And gains in cities and suburbs are great (it helps Democrats win after all) but ignoring a part of the country just cause they didn't vote for you is a pretty bad attitude.


This exchange illustrates the difference in the left.  It shows why MB is one of the best posters on all of Atlas (and why PittsburghSteel is one of the worst posters on all of Atlas).  MB is one of the most MASSIVE FFs here, and this post shows why.



Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 15, 2020, 03:20:07 PM
I think a lot of you people would be better off without any investment or interest in politics.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on February 15, 2020, 05:22:29 PM
If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out.  

Good — let them go feral. Remember: they leech off of us, not the other way around. And if they want to organize a violent insurrection — which is exactly what you're threatening — they can confront the full force of a lavishly funded, technologically sophisticated attack. They'll be wiped out, just like their depraved Confederate brethren a century ago.

lol you don't even go here

You do know which side of the Civil War was supported by Northern Virginia and Richmond ?


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: fhtagn on February 15, 2020, 05:38:42 PM
If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out.  

Good — let them go feral. Remember: they leech off of us, not the other way around. And if they want to organize a violent insurrection — which is exactly what you're threatening — they can confront the full force of a lavishly funded, technologically sophisticated attack. They'll be wiped out, just like their depraved Confederate brethren a century ago.

Do tell us how much you've paid in taxes in the state of Virginia. 


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: TheDeadFlagBlues on February 15, 2020, 06:45:05 PM
I think a lot of you people would be better off without any investment or interest in politics.

I'm not so sure about this. A lot of the sociopathy and derangement seen in this thread would be expressed regardless. Contemporary politics might be one of the few arenas where the paranoid style and promoting apocalyptic thinking is acceptable.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Calthrina950 on February 15, 2020, 07:03:53 PM
If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out.  

That would work out just fine since the wealth is mainly concentrated in NoVa.

Atlas Dems admitting that they think wealthy people are more important and are allowed to strip poor people of their rights.

It amazes me the extent to which the Democratic Party has become the party of the rich. I recall reading an article somewhere (I think it was on Yahoo News) that all ten of the country's wealthiest congressional districts are now represented by Democrats. Extremely wealthy areas like the Upper East Side of Manhattan, Westchester County, the D.C. and Northern Virginia suburbs, the Chicago suburbs, Middlesex County, Fairfield County, the San Francisco Bay Area, etc. are all solidly Democratic now, and becoming even more so. And other wealthy areas-Orange County, the Atlanta suburbs, Fort Bend County, etc.-are moving relentlessly away from Republicans.


Well To be fair wealthy areas  does not equal wealthy people . In fact areas like NoVA and the Bay Area being so wealthy make those areas super expensive for most people there so policies like rent control and all become more popular(even though they aren’t good policies ).


For example Republicans still may be winning the vote of the wealthy people in many of those areas , it’s just that it’s not nearly enough to win those counties

Hillary Clinton virtually tied Trump among the wealthiest Americans in 2016, and probably won a clear majority of them in most of the places that I listed above. And Democrats definitely won the "rich" vote in the 2018 midterms. Moreover, I expect suburban trends to continue, and wouldn't be surprised if Trump does even worse in many of these places.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on February 15, 2020, 07:13:27 PM
This thread has converted me to Pol Pot-ism. Year Zero for urban Virginia Democrats! March 'em all to the countryside and make them shoot guns and smoke cigarettes ALL DAY.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: OSR stands with Israel on February 15, 2020, 08:09:26 PM
If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out.  

That would work out just fine since the wealth is mainly concentrated in NoVa.

Atlas Dems admitting that they think wealthy people are more important and are allowed to strip poor people of their rights.

It amazes me the extent to which the Democratic Party has become the party of the rich. I recall reading an article somewhere (I think it was on Yahoo News) that all ten of the country's wealthiest congressional districts are now represented by Democrats. Extremely wealthy areas like the Upper East Side of Manhattan, Westchester County, the D.C. and Northern Virginia suburbs, the Chicago suburbs, Middlesex County, Fairfield County, the San Francisco Bay Area, etc. are all solidly Democratic now, and becoming even more so. And other wealthy areas-Orange County, the Atlanta suburbs, Fort Bend County, etc.-are moving relentlessly away from Republicans.


Well To be fair wealthy areas  does not equal wealthy people . In fact areas like NoVA and the Bay Area being so wealthy make those areas super expensive for most people there so policies like rent control and all become more popular(even though they aren’t good policies ).


For example Republicans still may be winning the vote of the wealthy people in many of those areas , it’s just that it’s not nearly enough to win those counties

Hillary Clinton virtually tied Trump among the wealthiest Americans in 2016, and probably won a clear majority of them in most of the places that I listed above. And Democrats definitely won the "rich" vote in the 2018 midterms. Moreover, I expect suburban trends to continue, and wouldn't be surprised if Trump does even worse in many of these places.


Not really :

https://www.cnn.com/election/2018/exit-polls


Republicans only won among voters who made 100k or more and lost the under 50k category by 21 points


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Calthrina950 on February 15, 2020, 10:10:09 PM
If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out.  

That would work out just fine since the wealth is mainly concentrated in NoVa.

Atlas Dems admitting that they think wealthy people are more important and are allowed to strip poor people of their rights.

It amazes me the extent to which the Democratic Party has become the party of the rich. I recall reading an article somewhere (I think it was on Yahoo News) that all ten of the country's wealthiest congressional districts are now represented by Democrats. Extremely wealthy areas like the Upper East Side of Manhattan, Westchester County, the D.C. and Northern Virginia suburbs, the Chicago suburbs, Middlesex County, Fairfield County, the San Francisco Bay Area, etc. are all solidly Democratic now, and becoming even more so. And other wealthy areas-Orange County, the Atlanta suburbs, Fort Bend County, etc.-are moving relentlessly away from Republicans.


Well To be fair wealthy areas  does not equal wealthy people . In fact areas like NoVA and the Bay Area being so wealthy make those areas super expensive for most people there so policies like rent control and all become more popular(even though they aren’t good policies ).


For example Republicans still may be winning the vote of the wealthy people in many of those areas , it’s just that it’s not nearly enough to win those counties

Hillary Clinton virtually tied Trump among the wealthiest Americans in 2016, and probably won a clear majority of them in most of the places that I listed above. And Democrats definitely won the "rich" vote in the 2018 midterms. Moreover, I expect suburban trends to continue, and wouldn't be surprised if Trump does even worse in many of these places.


Not really :

https://www.cnn.com/election/2018/exit-polls


Republicans only won among voters who made 100k or more and lost the under 50k category by 21 points


According to this article, Hillary Clinton won the nation's wealthiest neighborhoods handily in 2016: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/07/27/upshot/white-voters-precinct-analysis.html, and this article highlights the Democratic gains in the wealthiest congressional districts: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/politics/midterm-election-precinct-results/. I'd be very surprised if Republicans somehow managed to still carry that vote when losing so much ground in the districts, precincts, and neighborhoods that they live.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: OSR stands with Israel on February 15, 2020, 10:52:38 PM
If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out.  

That would work out just fine since the wealth is mainly concentrated in NoVa.

Atlas Dems admitting that they think wealthy people are more important and are allowed to strip poor people of their rights.

It amazes me the extent to which the Democratic Party has become the party of the rich. I recall reading an article somewhere (I think it was on Yahoo News) that all ten of the country's wealthiest congressional districts are now represented by Democrats. Extremely wealthy areas like the Upper East Side of Manhattan, Westchester County, the D.C. and Northern Virginia suburbs, the Chicago suburbs, Middlesex County, Fairfield County, the San Francisco Bay Area, etc. are all solidly Democratic now, and becoming even more so. And other wealthy areas-Orange County, the Atlanta suburbs, Fort Bend County, etc.-are moving relentlessly away from Republicans.


Well To be fair wealthy areas  does not equal wealthy people . In fact areas like NoVA and the Bay Area being so wealthy make those areas super expensive for most people there so policies like rent control and all become more popular(even though they aren’t good policies ).


For example Republicans still may be winning the vote of the wealthy people in many of those areas , it’s just that it’s not nearly enough to win those counties

Hillary Clinton virtually tied Trump among the wealthiest Americans in 2016, and probably won a clear majority of them in most of the places that I listed above. And Democrats definitely won the "rich" vote in the 2018 midterms. Moreover, I expect suburban trends to continue, and wouldn't be surprised if Trump does even worse in many of these places.


Not really :

https://www.cnn.com/election/2018/exit-polls


Republicans only won among voters who made 100k or more and lost the under 50k category by 21 points


According to this article, Hillary Clinton won the nation's wealthiest neighborhoods handily in 2016: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/07/27/upshot/white-voters-precinct-analysis.html, and this article highlights the Democratic gains in the wealthiest congressional districts: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/politics/midterm-election-precinct-results/. I'd be very surprised if Republicans somehow managed to still carry that vote when losing so much ground in the districts, precincts, and neighborhoods that they live.


Again wealthy congressional districts does not equal wealthy people .


The exit poll I linked had Republicans only winning in 2018 among voters who won 100k or more and got destroyed by the ones making less than 50k


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Calthrina950 on February 15, 2020, 10:56:37 PM
If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out.  

That would work out just fine since the wealth is mainly concentrated in NoVa.

Atlas Dems admitting that they think wealthy people are more important and are allowed to strip poor people of their rights.

It amazes me the extent to which the Democratic Party has become the party of the rich. I recall reading an article somewhere (I think it was on Yahoo News) that all ten of the country's wealthiest congressional districts are now represented by Democrats. Extremely wealthy areas like the Upper East Side of Manhattan, Westchester County, the D.C. and Northern Virginia suburbs, the Chicago suburbs, Middlesex County, Fairfield County, the San Francisco Bay Area, etc. are all solidly Democratic now, and becoming even more so. And other wealthy areas-Orange County, the Atlanta suburbs, Fort Bend County, etc.-are moving relentlessly away from Republicans.


Well To be fair wealthy areas  does not equal wealthy people . In fact areas like NoVA and the Bay Area being so wealthy make those areas super expensive for most people there so policies like rent control and all become more popular(even though they aren’t good policies ).


For example Republicans still may be winning the vote of the wealthy people in many of those areas , it’s just that it’s not nearly enough to win those counties

Hillary Clinton virtually tied Trump among the wealthiest Americans in 2016, and probably won a clear majority of them in most of the places that I listed above. And Democrats definitely won the "rich" vote in the 2018 midterms. Moreover, I expect suburban trends to continue, and wouldn't be surprised if Trump does even worse in many of these places.


Not really :

https://www.cnn.com/election/2018/exit-polls


Republicans only won among voters who made 100k or more and lost the under 50k category by 21 points


According to this article, Hillary Clinton won the nation's wealthiest neighborhoods handily in 2016: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/07/27/upshot/white-voters-precinct-analysis.html, and this article highlights the Democratic gains in the wealthiest congressional districts: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/politics/midterm-election-precinct-results/. I'd be very surprised if Republicans somehow managed to still carry that vote when losing so much ground in the districts, precincts, and neighborhoods that they live.


Again wealthy congressional districts does not equal wealthy people .


The exit poll I linked had Republicans only winning in 2018 among voters who won 100k or more and got destroyed by the ones making less than 50k

It doesn't, but if Republicans were truly dominating the wealthy vote, as you suggest, they would still be holding several of these seats. While it is true that Democrats continue to win strong majorities among the lowest-income groups, the inroads they've made at the higher-income levels are undeniable.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: R.P. McM on February 19, 2020, 02:16:55 AM
If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out.  

Good — let them go feral. Remember: they leech off of us, not the other way around. And if they want to organize a violent insurrection — which is exactly what you're threatening — they can confront the full force of a lavishly funded, technologically sophisticated attack. They'll be wiped out, just like their depraved Confederate brethren a century ago.
I am suggesting nonviolent resistance to unjust laws, you are the one advocating violence buddy.

LOL. Can you folks ever stop lying? "Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out." Y'all still have to pay taxes, whether or not the majority agrees with your position on gun control. Geriatric rural whites aren't a privileged class we all have to cater to.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: R.P. McM on February 19, 2020, 02:22:12 AM
If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out.  

Good — let them go feral. Remember: they leech off of us, not the other way around. And if they want to organize a violent insurrection — which is exactly what you're threatening — they can confront the full force of a lavishly funded, technologically sophisticated attack. They'll be wiped out, just like their depraved Confederate brethren a century ago.

lol you don't even go here

You do know which side of the Civil War was supported by Northern Virginia and Richmond ?

Brilliant point — I had never considered that immigrants, educated people, and Northern transplants might've changed the character of a particular area over the course of a century. I'm sure the Trumpist, white supremacist GOP will once again be winning VA elections in short order.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: R.P. McM on February 19, 2020, 02:32:16 AM
Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.
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hmm I wonder what the reason for this is....?

Rural areas are the past. The suburbs are the future. States like Pennsylvania in the 2018 governor's race show just how irrelevant Dem losses are in flyover country as long as we make gains in the suburbs.
It's not just part of America that needs help...it's all of it. And gains in cities and suburbs are great (it helps Democrats win after all) but ignoring a part of the country just cause they didn't vote for you is a pretty bad attitude.


Oh, STFU. When they voted for a traitorous, authoritarian, racist sexual predator, that was the last straw. If they really wanted help, they would show a modicum of humility. Instead, they set out to force minority rule upon the rest of us. So they need to be crushed, deservedly. This is something for the defenders of racist, rural whites to consider: even four years ago, there might have been restraint. And I myself am white. But now, when the levee breaks, there will be no mercy, no quarter. So pat yourselves on the back for electing Trump.

The 3 Democrat executives overseeing this are two minstrel performers and a rapist. There is no moral high ground. Neither party cares about anyone other than big donors.

We're not going to venture down this BS road of moral equivalency. How many Democrats knew about Northam or Fairfax prior to the election? How many called for their removal? Yeah, you have zero credibility, so just can it.

Haven't heard a damn peep about "calls for removal" in close to a year from the Dems here.

MUTED. Folks, when one of these things attempts to call you out for a moral standard his party has no intention of following, ever, you just need to ignore it. They're obviously hypocritical hacks, and we can leave it at that.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Badger on February 19, 2020, 04:14:51 PM
Virginia Dems are legislating like the Seattle City Council but it's still not enough for you people because they aren't doing stop and frisk on Appalachians.

The newly elected Soviet majority in Virginiya Oblast is every bit as acrimonious as the California dems -- pulling that off is quite the "distinction."

They didn't even repeal Right to Work!

And why should they? 96% of Va. Workers choose not to be union members. Why repeal a 70 year old law that clearly isn't in need of change? The only obvious reason is to reward corrupt special interest donors that again only make up 4% of workers. Right to work is Pro Worker for 96% of us. The repeal proposal even called for eliminating the secret ballot in union elections... how the hell is that pro worker?

Your claim that 96% of Virginia workers "chose" not to be unionized is either grossly misleading or grossly ignorant, or possibly a bit of both. First off, the vast majority of workers don't Indian eyes effectively can't because of modern economics Alaska industrial jobs requiring at least some technical know-how are shrinking. Secondly, more like here, even among those there are tremendous pressures in flouting of the law keeping such people from unionizing, ergo the need to get rid of Right to Work.

I understand it makes you feel good to Envision. Most Virginians are just hardworking people who don't want anything to do with them big city Union bosses blah blah blah oh, but given the choice I submit the vast majority of workers would much prefer to block an organization that might take 2% of their paycheck but helps ensure higher wages and better benefits / safety.

And that's the reason people like you are truly afraid of repealing right to work. Not because most workers so cold and choose not to be nice, but given an opportunity most workers will gladly take that option. And that is destructive to the right-wing Coalition of you and yours. The number one determinant of whether or not a white male will support Democrats whether or not they have a master's degree or greater, or a union card.

In the field I work in, I guarantee no one wants more of their paycheck taken out to pay into a group they don't want to be in and cares more about power than actually helping them. Even those I know who have worked for companies that have unionized have said they aren't worth it.


X Doubt


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Mr. Reactionary on February 19, 2020, 05:37:03 PM
Virginia Dems are legislating like the Seattle City Council but it's still not enough for you people because they aren't doing stop and frisk on Appalachians.

The newly elected Soviet majority in Virginiya Oblast is every bit as acrimonious as the California dems -- pulling that off is quite the "distinction."

They didn't even repeal Right to Work!

And why should they? 96% of Va. Workers choose not to be union members. Why repeal a 70 year old law that clearly isn't in need of change? The only obvious reason is to reward corrupt special interest donors that again only make up 4% of workers. Right to work is Pro Worker for 96% of us. The repeal proposal even called for eliminating the secret ballot in union elections... how the hell is that pro worker?

Your claim that 96% of Virginia workers "chose" not to be unionized is either grossly misleading or grossly ignorant, or possibly a bit of both. First off, the vast majority of workers don't Indian eyes effectively can't because of modern economics Alaska industrial jobs requiring at least some technical know-how are shrinking. Secondly, more like here, even among those there are tremendous pressures in flouting of the law keeping such people from unionizing, ergo the need to get rid of Right to Work.

I understand it makes you feel good to Envision. Most Virginians are just hardworking people who don't want anything to do with them big city Union bosses blah blah blah oh, but given the choice I submit the vast majority of workers would much prefer to block an organization that might take 2% of their paycheck but helps ensure higher wages and better benefits / safety.

And that's the reason people like you are truly afraid of repealing right to work. Not because most workers so cold and choose not to be nice, but given an opportunity most workers will gladly take that option. And that is destructive to the right-wing Coalition of you and yours. The number one determinant of whether or not a white male will support Democrats whether or not they have a master's degree or greater, or a union card.

In the field I work in, I guarantee no one wants more of their paycheck taken out to pay into a group they don't want to be in and cares more about power than actually helping them. Even those I know who have worked for companies that have unionized have said they aren't worth it.


X Doubt

They can already choose to unionize if they want. Nothing is stopping them, in fact federal law protects them. RTW just says once again that the 96% of workers who are non union cant be forced to participate in union activities if they dont want to, just to hold a job. How terrible. If these mythical workers exist as you claim and they would be perfectly happy forming a union but for the  icky law that allows freedom of choice, then I have no sympathy for them. If you're only hangup from doing something you are allowed to do is not being able to force others to unwillingly do the same thing, then you're anti-worker, anti-choice, and a jerk.

Plus I see no defense of eliminating the secret ballot in certification elections.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Non Swing Voter on April 18, 2020, 09:44:59 PM
You people take exit polls for gospel.  People lie to pollsters all the time.  Pretty sure the exit polls showed Trump winning college educated whites but upon further review and analysis by reputably organizations, he actually didn't. 


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: crazy jimmie on April 19, 2020, 08:29:07 AM
Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.
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hmm I wonder what the reason for this is....?

Fortunately for VA Democrats, unless the GOP makes significant inroads with black voters, there is only so far down the VA Democratic Party can go with rural Virginia.

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VA GOP is right now in an odd situation. Has a genuinely high floor. Even Stewart could get above 40% in a wave year but they are limited in what margins they can get out of rural VA so any statewide GOP victory in Virginia means either a huge turnout differential or GOP winning Democratic leaning voters in Nova or Richmond metros and landsliding in Virginia Beach.

Edit: I want to make it clear that I do not support stringent gun laws.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Fuzzy Stands With His Friend, Chairman Sanchez on April 19, 2020, 09:04:21 PM
If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out.  

Good — let them go feral. Remember: they leech off of us, not the other way around. And if they want to organize a violent insurrection — which is exactly what you're threatening — they can confront the full force of a lavishly funded, technologically sophisticated attack. They'll be wiped out, just like their depraved Confederate brethren a century ago.
I am suggesting nonviolent resistance to unjust laws, you are the one advocating violence buddy.

LOL. Can you folks ever stop lying? "Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out." Y'all still have to pay taxes, whether or not the majority agrees with your position on gun control. Geriatric rural whites aren't a privileged class we all have to cater to.


No, their not.  But they have enumerated Constitutional Rights that are not subject to the actions of legislatures or plebecites, short of a Constitutional Amendment.  And thank God for that.  Your attitude is that your political enemies have no inalienable rights. 

I thank God you are not an elected official, and I hope you are never elected to office.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: R.P. McM on April 22, 2020, 04:12:27 AM
If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out.  

Good — let them go feral. Remember: they leech off of us, not the other way around. And if they want to organize a violent insurrection — which is exactly what you're threatening — they can confront the full force of a lavishly funded, technologically sophisticated attack. They'll be wiped out, just like their depraved Confederate brethren a century ago.
I am suggesting nonviolent resistance to unjust laws, you are the one advocating violence buddy.

LOL. Can you folks ever stop lying? "Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out." Y'all still have to pay taxes, whether or not the majority agrees with your position on gun control. Geriatric rural whites aren't a privileged class we all have to cater to.


No, their not.  But they have enumerated Constitutional Rights that are not subject to the actions of legislatures or plebecites, short of a Constitutional Amendment.  And thank God for that.  Your attitude is that your political enemies have no inalienable rights. 

I thank God you are not an elected official, and I hope you are never elected to office.

"No, their not." LOL. There's just no point. If you can't even navigate English grammar, I'm just not interested in your opinion on whether rural Virginians are capable of dealing with the novel reality of urban dominance. Yeah, you aren't the majority any longer, your violent threats are laughable, and you're just going to have to deal with it.


Title: Re: Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?
Post by: Crumpets on April 22, 2020, 08:23:11 AM
Anyone old enough to be in a position of power in Virginia is old enough to have lived through decades of Republican dominance, and they probably think the current state of affairs is only an anomaly. Rather than recognize the long-term societal shifts in their favor, they are more concerned with shoring up support with traditional centrists, since that's probably how they think they got their job.