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Title: Oppenheimer wins 7 Oscars (Best Picture) (film & awards)
Post by: T'Chenka on October 30, 2019, 10:13:46 PM
Film Discussion & Awards Season Discussion

I'm pretty into films and awards season, and I like to discuss upcoming awards as well as years past. The thread about Joker is showing me that others like to discuss as well. Here's a thread for that. This also for discussing movies in general, as long as they're well made or half-decent. Fast & Furious 9 and badly written comedy / action can be discussed if you really want to, but intended the focus here is more on film: acting, directing, screenplay, editing, pacing, score, plot, cinematography, etc.

Discussion of 2024 movies
Will Dune: Part Two win Best Picture? Which films do you think will be big players this year? Will Sing Sing go far and maybe win it all as the pundits are predicting, or is that premature? Will Conclave, Queer, Blitz, Flint Strong get into Best Picture? Will Coppola's new film Megalopolis be a dud?

Discussion of 2023 movies
Did Oppenheimer deserve to win Best Picture over Barbie, Poor Things, Killers Of The Flower Moon, Anatomy Of A Fall? Did Killers Of The Flower Moon deserve zero Oscar wins (including Actress)? Do you think Anatomy Of A Fall would have defeated The Zone Of Interest for International Feature if France had submitted it to the Oscars? Should Past Lives been nominated in more than 2 categories?

Discussion of 2022 movies
Did Everything Everything All At Once deserve to perform so strong at the Oscars? Should Babylon and the performances from Babylon have been nominated in the bigger categories? Which awards were you disappointed about the results of?

Discussion of 2021 movies
Did you find The Power Of The Dog leading the pack all year to be boring? Were you happy with CODA winning Best Picture? Were you annoyed at some of the extremely well made films like The Greeen Knight, Spencer, The Humans all getting zero nominations for technical categories?

Discussion of 2020 movies
Did you find Nomadland leading the pack all year to be boring? Should The Father have won instead? Were you annoyed that Another Round didn't get into Best Picture? Was Mank under-nominated?

Discussion of 2019 movies
Did 1917 deserve to win Best Picture or at the very least Director over Parasite? Did Marriage Story deserve more Oscars than the one it got? Did The Irishman winning zero Oscars sit well with you? All 5 directing nominees were men, but did all 5 deserve to be nominated over Greta Gerwig for Little Women?


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on October 30, 2019, 10:14:27 PM
Gonna leave some stuff here, just for reference:


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2023 films - Oscars - Best Picture nominees
- American Fiction
- Anatomy Of A Fall [Anatomie D'Une Chute]
- Barbie
- The Holdovers
- Killers Of The Flower Moon (apple)
- Maestro (netflix)
- Oppenheimer (winner)
- Past Lives
- Poor Things
- The Zone Of Interest

2022 films - Oscars - Best Director/Screenplay (but not Picture) nominees
- May December (netflix in North America)

2022 films - Other notable films

- (documentary) 20 Days In Mariupol
- A Thousand And One
- All Of Us Strangers
- (documentary) American Symphony (netflix)
- Are You There God? It's Me, Margaret
- BlackBerry
- The Boy And The Heron
- The Color Purple
- The Creator
- Creed III
- Dream Scenario
- Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves
- Elemental
- Fallen Leaves [Kuolleet Lehdet]
- Godzilla Minus One
- Guardians Of The Galaxy: Vol. 3
- How To Have Sex
- The Hunger Games: The Ballad Of Songbirds And Snakes
- Indiana Jones And The Dial Of Destiny
- The Killer (netflix)
- Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning
- Monster [怪物]
- Napoleon (apple)
- Nimona (netflix)
- Nyad (netflix)
- Origin
- Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem
- The Peasants [Chłopi]
- Perfect Days
- Priscilla
- Robot Dreams
- Rustin (netflix)
- Rye Lane
- Society Of The Snow [La Sociedad De La Nieve]
- Spider-Man: Across The Spider-Verse
- The Taste Of Things [La Passion De Dodin Bouffant]
- They Cloned Tyrone (netflix)
- Wonka

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2022 films - Oscars - Best Picture nominees
- All Quiet On The Western Front [Im Westen Nichts Neues] (netflix)
- Avatar: The Way Of Water
- The Banshees Of Inisherin
- Elvis
- Everything Everywhere All At Once (winner)
- The Fabelmans
- TÁR
- Top Gun: Maverick
- Triangle Of Sadness
- Women Talking

2022 films - Oscars - Best Director/Screenplay (but not Picture) nominees
- Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery (netflix)
- Living

2022 films - Other notable films

- Aftersun
- [documentary] All The Beauty And The Bloodshed
- Argentina, 1985
- Barbarian
- The Batman
- Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
- Bones & All
- Decision To Leave
- Empire Of Light
- [documentary] Fire Of Love
- Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio (netflix)
- Morbius
- [documentary] Navalny
- Nope
- The Northman
- Push In Boots: The Last Wish
- The Quiet Girl
- RRR
- The Sea Beast (netflix)
- The Son
- Till
- The Whale
- The Woman King

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2021 films - Oscars - Best Picture nominees
- Belfast
- CODA (apple +) (winner)
- Don't Look Up (netflix)
- Drive My Car [ドライブ・マイ・カー]
- Dune
- King Richard
- Licorice Pizza
- Nightmare Alley
- The Power Of The Dog (netflix)
- West Side Story

2021 films - Oscars - Best Director/Screenplay (but not Picture) nominees
- The Worst Person In The World
- The Lost Daughter (netflix)

2021 films - Other notable films

- A Hero [Ghahreman] (amazon prime)
- Annette (amazon prime)
- Being The Ricardos (amazon prime)
- Compartment No. 6 [Hytti nro 6]
- C'mon C'mon
- Cruella (disney +)
- Cyrano
- Encanto (disney +)
- Eternals (disney +)
- Flee
- Happening [L'Evenement]
- In The Heights
- Last Night In Soho
- Luca  (disney +)
- Mass
- Nitram
- No Time To Die
- Nobody
- Pig
- Raya And The Last Dragon  (disney +)
- Red Rocket
- Spencer
- Spider-Man: No Way Home
- Shang-Chi And The Legend Of The Ten Rings  (disney +)
- The French Dispatch
- The Green Knight
- The Hand Of God (netflix)
- The Harder They Fall (netflix)
- The Humans
- The Last Duel
- The Matrix Resurrections
- The Mitchells vs The Machines (netflix)
- The Novice
- The Suicide Squad
- The Tragedy Of Macbeth (apple +)
- Tick, Tick... Boom! (netflix)
- Titane

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2020 films - Oscars - Best Picture nominees
- Judas And The Black Messiah
- Mank (netflix)
- Minari
- Nomadland (winner)
- Promising Young Woman
- Sound Of Metal (amazon prime)
- The Father
- The Trial Of The Chicago 7 (netflix)

2020 films - Oscars - Best Director/Screenplay (but not Picture) nominees
- Another Round
- Borat: Subsequent Moviefilm (amazon prime)
- One Night In Miami (amazon prime)
- The White Tiger (netflix)

2020 films - Other notable films
- Ammonite
- Bad Boys For Life
- Bill & Ted Face The Music
- Birds Of Prey (Harley Quinn)
- Cherry (apple+)
- Da 5 Bloods (netflix)
- Emma.
- First Cow
- Greyhound (apple+)
- Hamilton
- Happiest Season
- Hillbilly Elegy (netflix)
- I'm Thinking Of Ending Things (netflix)
- Ma Rainey's Black Bottom (netflix)
- Mulan
- Never Rarely Sometimes Always
- News Of The World
- Nine Days
- On The Rocks (apple+)
- Onward
- Palm Springs
- Pieces Of A Woman (netflix)
- Possessor
- Relic
- Sonic The Hedgehog
- Soul (disney+)
- Tenet
- The Devil All The Time (netflix)
- The Gentlemen
- The Hunt
- The Invisible Man
- The King Of Staten Island
- The Midnight Sky (netflix)
- The United States vs Billie Holiday
- The Way Back
- Wolfwalkers (apple+)
- Wonder Woman 1984

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2019 films - Oscars - Best Picture nominees
- 1917
- Ford V Ferrari
- Joker
- Jojo Rabbit
- Little Women
- Marriage Story (netflix)
- Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
- Parasite [Gisaengchung] (winner)
- The Irishman (netflix)

2019 films - Oscars - Best Director/Screenplay (but not Picture) nominees
- Knives Out
- The Two Popes (netflix)

2019 films - Other notable films
- A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood
- A Hidden Life
- Ad Astra
- Avengers: Endgame
- Blinded By The Light
- Bombshell
- Booksmart
- Clemency
- Crawl
- Dark Waters
- Dolemite Is My Name
- Fighting With My Family
- Frozen II
- Harriet
- Honey Boy
- Hustlers
- I Lost My Body [J'ai Perdu Mon Corps]
- John Wick: Chapter 3 - Parabellum
- Judy
- Just Mercy
- Klaus
- Late Night
- Long Shot
- Luce
- Midsommar
- Missing Link
- Monos
- Queen & Slim
- Pain & Glory [Dolor Y Gloria]
- Portrait Of A Lady On Fire [Portrait De La Jeune Fille En Feu]
- Richard Jewell
- Rocketman
- Shazam!
- The Farewell
- The Last Black Man In San Francisco
- The Lighthouse
- The Peanut Butter Falcon
- The Report
- Toy Story 4
- Uncut Gems
- Us
- Waves

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2018 films - Oscars - Best Picture nominees
- A Star Is Born
- Black Panther
- BlackKklansman
- Bohemian Rhapsody
- Green Book (winner)
- The Favourite
- Roma (netflix)
- Vice

2018 films - Oscars - Best Director/Screenplay (but not Picture) nominees
- Can You Ever Forgive Me?
- Cold War [Zimna Wojna]
- First Reformed
- If Beale Street Could Talk
- The Ballad Of Buster Scruggs (netflix)

2018 films - Other notable films
- A Quiet Place
- At Eternity's Gate
- Avengers: Infinity War
- Blindspotting
- Burning [Beoning]
- Capernaum [Capharnaum]
- Eighth Grade
- First Man
- Free Solo
- Hereditary
- Incredibles 2
- Leave No Trace
- Mary Poppins Returns
- Never Look Away
- Shoplifters [Manbiki Kazoku]
- Sorry To Bother You
- Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse
- Upgrade
- Widows

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2017 films - Oscars - Best Picture nominees
- Call Me By Your Name
- Darkest Hour
- Dunkirk
- Get Out
- Lady Bird
- Phantom Thread
- The Post
- The Shape Of Water (winner)
- Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri

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2016 films - Oscars - Best Picture nominees
- Arrival
- Fences
- Hacksaw Ridge
- Hell Of High Water
- Hidden Figures
- La La Land
- Lion
- Manchester By The Sea
- Moonlight (winner)

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2015 films - Oscars - Best Picture nominees
- The Big Short
- Bridge Of Spies
- Brooklyn
- Mad Max: Fury Road
- The Martian
- The Revenant
- Room
- Spotlight (winner)

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Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: progressive85 on October 31, 2019, 03:14:48 AM
A Quiet Place was wonderful.  This year's movies overall were not very memorable.  I think its going to be another boring season.


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on October 31, 2019, 12:06:03 PM
A Quiet Place was wonderful.  This year's movies overall were not very memorable.  I think its going to be another boring season.
Parasite is really really good and a future classic, but it hasn't been seen by hundreds of thousands of people yet. Not so artsy that it would turn people off, though it is a bit of a thinking man's movie. Highly recommend it.

Midsommar was also great, but it's a horror movie that isn't scary, somewhat artsy and 2.5 hours long. Obviously not for everyone, but I strongly recommend it if the previous sentence didn't turn you off.


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on October 31, 2019, 04:43:16 PM
The only film I've seen so far that feels like a strong best picture contender is Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and that's largely because Hollywood loves movies about Hollywood (The Artist is among the most glaring examples of this causing weird Oscar results).  And that's a shame because Booksmart, Pet Sematary, Ready or Not, The Lighthouse, Joker, Us, Child's Play, and Toy Story 4 were all much better movies.  

Alas, I'm pretty sure that aside from a Best Actor nomination for Phoenix's performance in Joker and a Best Animated Film win for Toy Story 4, none of those films are going to get nominated for anything above-the-line :(  

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was basically 1/3 self-indulgent snoozefest, 1/3 perfectly serviceable (but decidedly inoffensive) "Movie about Movies," and then 1/3 great film that kept reminding me of how much I wished the film's B-plot about the Manson family was the main focus of the movie (although the parts with DiCaprio's character trying to shoot that one guest villain scene in some western TV pilot were perfect).  Honestly, it's one of Tarantino's weaker outings.

Anyway, I'll end by saying that if you have any interest in seeing a smart, unpredictable, and extremely entertaining horror comedy whose satire about income inequality is (despite the dumbed down, spoiler-laden trailers) in the same ballpark as Get Out's satire of limousine liberal racism, you should really check out Ready or Not.  It's one of the real hidden gems of 2019 (I was lucky enough to go in blind because I was bored and there was nothing else remotely interesting playing nearby).


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on October 31, 2019, 06:22:06 PM
I expect a lot of accolades for 'The Irishman.' Other than that and 'Once Upon a Time In Hollywood,' I can't think of too many shoo-ins for awards season yet, this year. It's still early though, and this time of year is when most awards season films come out too, so it might be too early to speculate still.


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: Mr. Smith on October 31, 2019, 06:30:51 PM
The Goldfinch shouldn't be overlooked here.



Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on October 31, 2019, 06:51:28 PM
The Goldfinch shouldn't be overlooked here.



The Goldfinch was trashed by critics and bombed at the box office. It might pick up a few Razzie nominations.


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: UWS on October 31, 2019, 07:25:32 PM
I think Star Wars The Rise of Skywalker too will be nominated fir awards like best sound, for example like The Force Awakens.


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on October 31, 2019, 10:59:34 PM
I think Star Wars The Rise of Skywalker too will be nominated fir awards like best sound, for example like The Force Awakens.
Some chance to ne nominated:
- Best Score
- Best Sound Mixing
- Best Visual Effects
- Best Production Design

Long shot but not totally impossible to be nominated:
- Best Original Screenplay
- Best Cinematography
- Best Editing
- Best Sound Editing


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on October 31, 2019, 11:25:21 PM
I expect a lot of accolades for 'The Irishman.' Other than that and 'Once Upon a Time In Hollywood,' I can't think of too many shoo-ins for awards season yet, this year. It's still early though, and this time of year is when most awards season films come out too, so it might be too early to speculate still.
I think it's pretty safe to say that Marriage Story is getting nominated. Many many people that have seen it claim that it's got a good shot at Best Actor, Best Actress, Best Supporting Actress, Best Original Screenplay and Best Director. Reviews in general have been extremely good as well. The type of film and style are very Academy-friendly as well, and it was one of the two People's Choice Award runner-up films at the Toronto International Film Festival (tied for second place with Parasite).


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on November 01, 2019, 07:37:45 AM
I think Star Wars The Rise of Skywalker too will be nominated fir awards like best sound, for example like The Force Awakens.
Some chance to ne nominated:
- Best Score
- Best Sound Mixing
- Best Visual Effects
- Best Production Design

Long shot but not totally impossible to be nominated:
- Best Original Screenplay
- Best Cinematography
- Best Editing
- Best Sound Editing


- I have a pretty hard time seeing another Star Wars movie come anywhere close to repeating A New Hope’s feat of earning a screenplay nod, plus it’d be contending in the best adapted screenplay category.  Best Editing is probably too much of a reach given how that has been increasingly treated as pseudo-above-the-line award by voters trying to find another place to vote for there preferred BP winner (why, IDK, but it seems to be a trend).  

- A Best Cinematography nod is always a possibility with a film like Star Wars - especially given the tendency of the Oscars to sometimes treat this as a second Best Visual Effects category (ex: Avatar and Gravity’s otherwise inexplicable wins) - but it largely depends on the strength of the field.  The field doesn’t seem weak enough this year on paper, although it’s also not strong enough for me to rule out the possibility before Star Wars: Episode 2019 has even come out, especially when I’ve yet to see so many of the top contenders like 1917 and The Irishman.

What I can say is that a Best Cinematography win is highly unlikely at best, 1917 will probably be tough to beat here if Mendes actually made a good war film in one long tracking shot and even if the film is a dud quality-wise, voters may still want to reward the technical achievement of doing a war movie - of all things - in one shot.  Now, if 1917 is “only” a few long tracking shots seamlessly made to look like a single one, that’s another story since Birdman, The Haunting of Hill House, It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia, and season one of True Detective would’ve all beaten 1917 to the punch by over a year (albeit in different genres).  Plus, there’s also The Irishman if voters want to go the “second Best Visual Effects category” route.

- Otherwise, I completely agree with your assessment of Star Wars’ chances.  

- Btw, could you remind me what the difference is between sound mixing and sound editing?  I always forget this and end up getting them confused.  IIRC, one is sound effects during filming and the other is sound added in post, but I could be misremembering.  


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on November 01, 2019, 07:36:53 PM
Btw, could you remind me what the difference is between sound mixing and sound editing?  I always forget this and end up getting them confused.  IIRC, one is sound effects during filming and the other is sound added in post, but I could be misremembering.  
Sound Editing is the creation of sounds... think about creating the T-Rex roar for Jurassic Park or the lightsaber sound for Star Wars.

Sound Mixing is putting all the sounds for a movie together, how loud and quiet each sound is (including the score and sound from the set from microphones like talking, doors closing), and how left-speaker / right-speaker / advanced surround sound details everything is .

Sadly and pathetically, the Academy voters don't even seem to know the difference. They gave Bohemian Rhapsody the award for Sound Editing over A Quiet Place and First Man. They gave Bohemian Rhapsody the award for Sound Mixing over Roma. It's so cringe and facepalm worthy, but I guess the Academy just doesn't care. I consider being nominated as one of the five films up for each of those awards to be an equal or greater honor than actually winning the award at this point.


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: Orser67 on November 01, 2019, 11:38:31 PM
Of the moves I've seen from OP's post, I'd tier them as:

Very good:
A Star is Born, The Favourite, Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse, Sorry to Bother You

Good:
Black Panther, BlackKklansman, Vice, Infinity War, Eighth Grade, First Man, Can You Ever Forgive Me, If Beale Street Could Talk (which, btw, I liked a lot more than Moonlight), The Ballad Of Buster Scruggs, Avengers: Endgame, Dolemite Is My Name, Rocketman, Eighth Grade, Cold War

Ok:
Bohemian Rhapsody, Incredibles 2, Leave No Trace

A few others I liked: "Love, Simon," "Mid-90s," "Support the Girls", "Isle of Dogs"


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on November 02, 2019, 10:40:37 PM
For what deserved to win/be nominated in 2018, my thoughts:

Best Picture
1) Hereditary
2) BlacKkKlansman
3) Boy Erased
4) Detainment (this may be the best short film ever made, the only other one I've seen that comes close is Everything Will be Okay)
5) Can You Ever Forgive Me?
6) Green Book
7) Eighth Grade
8) Paddington 2
9) A Star is Born
10) Christopher Robin (I saw this one on Amazon Prime and was sobbing like a baby for much of the runtime, by time it got to the heffalump trap scene I almost had to shut the movie off because the first half was so sad).

Best Actor
1) Ely Solan - Detainment
2) John David Washington - BlacKkKlansman
3) Christian Bale – Vice
4) Bradley Cooper - A Star is Born
5) Lucas Hedges - Boy Erased

Best Actress
1) Toni Collette - Hereditary
2) Melissa McCarthy - Can You Ever Forgive Me?
3) Lady Gaga - A Star is Born
4) Elsie Fisher - Eighth Grade
5) Saoirse Ronan - Mary Queen of Scots

Best Director
1) Ari Aster - Hereditary
2) Joel Edgerton - Boy Erased
3) Spike Lee - BlacKkKlansman
4) Bradley Cooper - A Star is Born
5) Vincent Lambe - Detainment

Best Adapted Screenplay
1) Spike Lee, David Rabinowitz, Charlie Wachtel, and Kevin Willmott - BlacKkKlansman
2) Joel Edgerton – Boy Erased
3) Nicole Holofcener and Jeff Whitty – Can You Ever Forgive Me?
4) Rhett Reese, Ryan Reynolds, and Paul Wernick - Deadpool 2
5) 
Simon Farnaby and Paul King - Paddington 2


Best Original Screenplay
1) Brian Hayes Currie, Peter Farrelly, and Nick Vallelonga – Green Book
2) Bo Burnham - Eighth Grade
3) Ari Aster - Hereditary
4) Vincent Lambe - Detainment
5) Paul Schrader - First Reformed

Best Supporting Actor
1) Russell Crowe - Boy Erased
2) Richard E. Grant - Can You Ever Forgive Me?
3) Alex Woolf - Hereditary
4) Timothée Chalamet - Beautiful Boy
5) Daniel Kaluuya – Widows (the bowling alley scene alone was a masterclass in acting).

Best Supporting Actress
1) Amy Adams – Vice
2) Claire Foy - First Man
3) Milly Shapiro - Hereditary
4) Margo Robbie - Mary Queen of Scots
5) Olivia Colman - The Favourite (this was a supporting role imo)


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on November 03, 2019, 06:12:14 PM
I forgot to comment on 2018. I found most of the movies nominated to be overrated. Especially 'A Star is Born,' 'Bohemian Rhapsody,' and 'Roma.'

'Boy Erased,' 'First Reformed,' 'Thoroughbreds,' and 'The Old Man and the Gun' were underrated for that year. I also wanted to include 'A Simple Favor,' one of the most unique films I've ever seen for its ability to seamlessly blend the comedy and thriller genres, was also very underrated. But I don't think it's a film that screams "deserves awards recognition."

The biggest snub was definitely 'Won't You Be My Neighbor' in the best documentary category. That probably would have won. It at least should have. And that's not just because it was probably my favorite movie of 2018.


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on November 03, 2019, 10:30:53 PM
JOJO RABBIT (no spoilers)

This movie lacks truly top-tier directing, cinematography, acting, score, and the script isn't perfectly paced. This is not an "artistic masterpiece". All of the things I just mentioned are actually pretty good, but not at that very top level.

That being said, this was a DAMNED good film and I absolutely loved it. People worried that this film is offensive need to go see it. It's great, and it's message is great. Thomasin Mackenzie has a long career in Hollywood ahead of her - she upstaged both Johansson and Rockwell. BIG recommendation for anybody reading this to go and check this film out. Best Picture nomination is expected and it better not get overlooked.


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on November 05, 2019, 08:06:54 AM
Saw three Oscar contenders over the weekend: Jojo Rabbit*, Parasite, and Where is My Roy Cohn?

- Where is my Roy Cohn? is definitely a contender for a best documentary nomination, but I was disappointed that I didn’t learn more about him.  However, the film does a better job than most docs or biopics of seamlessly weaving together all the key points in Cohn’s life without it feeling like checking off boxes.  I may’ve simply known too much about him going in to get the full effect.  3/5

- Parasite: It was good and I’m glad I saw it, but I also think this movie has been waaaaaaaaaay overhyped.  It’s really good, has some great twists, interesting social commentary about human nature, and was surprisingly funny.  Without spoiling anything, I’ve never heard of a home invasion film being done in anything remotely like what Parasite does, so that was good.  With an aggressive campaign, it should be able to get a BP nomination (probably not a win), has a shot at a Best Director nomination due to its passionate fanbase, and will definitely get a nomination (*maybe* even a consolation win, but I doubt it) for best original screenplay.  I could also see a nomination for best editing, but that feels like a longshot.  

Ultimately, Parasite is a good film, but I was hoping for a classic and it just isn’t.  It’s a smart, creative, well-made thriller with a good sense of humor and there’s no shame in that.  3.5/5 (it probably deserves a better rating, but the #InstantClassic hype probably set me up for disappointment when it turned out to be “only” a good movie).  

- Jojo Rabbit: This was an excellent movie.  It has some problems (such as the mom - who just doesn’t work at all as a character - and MacKenzie’s character who feels more like a plot device than an actual person), but this was a great movie.  Definitely a contender for BP and has an outside shot at winning although the (grossly unfair) Green Book comparisons may keep it from actually winning.  Best Director and Best Supporting Actor (Watiti) nominations are both possible, but really feel like long-shots (especially the latter), definitely a lock for Adapted Screenplay (which will probably come down to this and The Irishman competing for the win).  

The kid who plays the lead gives an absolutely amazing performance that runs the full emotional gauntlet flawlessly and while he certainly deserves a Best Actor nomination (maybe even a win), I highly doubt he’ll be nominated :(  Hopefully this is a star-making role because this kid has truly amazing emotional range.  His performance alone is more than worth the price of admission.  Sam Rockwell (gets a good character arc) and Stephen Merchant (really creepy) are also quite good in smaller parts, as is the kid who plays Jojo’s best friend.  Thomasin Mackenzie was good, but her character was really more of a plot device.  

This is a hilarious, well-made, first rate movie with a great message.  Also, it’s not really about WWII/the Nazis so much as it is about a 10 year old German boy coming of age during that period.  5/5

*A really good movie and one that - unlike the deeply offensive Holocaust/death camp “comedy” Life is Beautiful - understands the difference between making a comedy set in Nazi Germany (you have to tread lightly, but it can absolutely be done and isn’t an inherently offensive concept) and a comedy about the Holocaust (which is unacceptable, period, end of story regardless of the film’s merits or lack thereof).  

Mel Brooks himself explicitly recognized this distinction when he spoke about how grotesque and offensive Life is Beautiful (a comedy by a gentile writer-Director which posits that you can even make even a Nazi death camp seem like a fun-filled adventure as long as you use the power of imagination and keep your sense of childlike wonder).  Brooks argued that you cannot make a joke about everything and argued some things should be off-limits, especially to those with no connection to the pain the events caused in real life.  He noted that while most Jews would be fine with a post-WWII comedy like The Producers mocking the absurd self-indulgent, decidedly effeminate OTT theatricality of Nazi propaganda and certain fascistic symbols (ex: the de facto dance choreography which was used in Triumph of the Will), that was very different from making a whimsical feel good comedy about Jews trying to survive a death camp (Life is Beautiful).  It’s the difference between mocking the perpetrators of a genocide through satire and trivializing the actual suffering which occurred during the genocide through whimsical feel-goodism.


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on November 05, 2019, 06:37:51 PM
One more update, I finally saw 'Blindspotting' yesterday. Holy s***! Now this was a snub! This is the other best movie I have ever seen of 2018. It's right up there with 'Won't You Be My Neighbor.'

It's like 'Friday' meets 'Do the Right Thing,' but for this generation. It explores themes of class, criminal justice, culture, gentrification, identity, race, and more all in a very organic way with just as much as humor as there is meaningful, gripping drama. Massively underrated!


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on November 05, 2019, 10:49:11 PM
One more update, I finally saw 'Blindspotting' yesterday. Holy s***! Now this was a snub! This is the other best movie I have ever seen of 2018. It's right up there with 'Won't You Be My Neighbor.'

It's like 'Friday' meets 'Do the Right Thing,' but for this generation. It explores themes of class, criminal justice, culture, gentrification, identity, race, and more all in a very organic way with just as much as humor as there is meaningful, gripping drama. Massively underrated!
Blindspotting's biggest problem BY FAR is that not enough people have seen it. Great film that I always recommend to others. For whatever it's worth, I have it at #13 on my rankings for 2018 films.


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on November 09, 2019, 04:43:35 PM
One more update, I finally saw 'Blindspotting' yesterday. Holy s***! Now this was a snub! This is the other best movie I have ever seen of 2018. It's right up there with 'Won't You Be My Neighbor.'

It's like 'Friday' meets 'Do the Right Thing,' but for this generation. It explores themes of class, criminal justice, culture, gentrification, identity, race, and more all in a very organic way with just as much as humor as there is meaningful, gripping drama. Massively underrated!
Blindspotting's biggest problem BY FAR is that not enough people have seen it. Great film that I always recommend to others. For whatever it's worth, I have it at #13 on my rankings for 2018 films.

Huh.  I'll have to check it out.


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on November 09, 2019, 07:52:07 PM
Regarding the awful "Life is Beautiful", I like what Oscar historian Damien Bona said about a decade ago: Benigni is the Richard Nixon of Oscars. If you ask the Acdemy members today, nobody will admit that voted for him.


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: Roblox on November 09, 2019, 09:28:36 PM
I really hope "Parasite" gets nominated for BP, and many other awards. I saw it today and it's the best film of the year.


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on November 10, 2019, 08:48:31 AM
I really hope "Parasite" gets nominated for BP, and many other awards. I saw it today and it's the best film of the year.
I lurk "r/oscarrace" on Reddit and read all the predictions for who will get NOMINATED (not win the award) for all the categories, and Parasite is looking to do well.

Best International Feature: 99.999% guarantee

Best Picture: extremely good chance

Best Director: very good chance
Best Original Screenplay: very good chance
Best Production Design: very good chance (*** see note at end)

Best Cinematography: good chance
Best Editing: good chance

Best Score: somewhat likely, about 50/50

Best Supporting Actor: unlikely but possible
Best Supporting Actress: unlikely but possible


*** NOTE - They partially built the big fancy house just for this film, though some of it was CGI apparently. They also built the entire street that the sub-basement apartment is on just for this film.


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: UWS on November 12, 2019, 05:43:16 PM
I think Joaquin Phoenix will be nominated for Best Actor for his role as the Joker in Joker.


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on November 13, 2019, 07:10:44 AM
Gonna do my first predictions now. Will possibly do another one around New Years and a final one in the last week or two before the Oscars.



BEST PICTURE
Marriage Story
The Irishman
Parasite
Little Women
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Jojo Rabbit
1917
Ford V Ferrari
Bombshell
(#10 = Joker, I predict they nominate only 9 though)


BEST DIRECTOR
The Irishman, Parasite, Marriage Story, Once Upon / In Hollywood, Little Women

BEST ACTOR
Marriage Story, Joker, Once Upon / In Hollywood, The Irishman, Pain & Glory

BEST ACTRESS
Marriage Story, Judy, Bombshell, Little Women, The Farewell

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
The Irishman, A Beautiful Day / Neighborhood, The Irishman, Once Upon / In Hollywood, The Lighthouse

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Little Women, Marriage Story, Bombshell, Hustlers, Jojo Rabbit

BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
 Marriage Story, Parasite, Once Upon / In Hollywood, Bombshell, The Farewell

BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
The Irishman, Little Women, Jojo Rabbit, A Beautiful Day / Neighborhood, The Two Popes



BEST INTERNATIONAL FEATURE
Parasite, Pain & Glory, Les Miserables, Atlantics, Monos

BEST ANIMATED FEATURE
Toy Story 4, Frozen II, How To / Dragon 3, Weathering With You, I Lost My Body

BEST DOCUMENTARY FEATURE
American Factory, Apollo 11, One Child Nation, The Cave, Honeyland



BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY
1917, Once Upon / In Hollywood, Parasite, The Irishman, The Lighthouse

BEST VISUAL EFFECTS
The Irishman, Avengers: Endgame, Ad Astra, Star Wars 9, The Lion King

BEST EDITING
Marriage Story, The Irishman, Once Upon / In Hollywood, Parasite, Ford v Ferrari

BEST PRODUCTION DESIGN
Once Upon / In Hollywood, Parasite, Ad Astra, 1917, The Irishman

BEST COSTUME DESIGN
Little Women, Jojo Rabbit, Dolemite Is My Name, Once Upon / In Hollywood, Downton Abbey

BEST MAKEUP & HAIRSTYLING
Bombshell, Judy, Rocketman, Joker, Little Women

BEST ORIGINAL SCORE
Marriage Story, 1917, Star Wars 9, Little Women, Joker

BEST ORIGINAL SONG
Frozen II, Harriet, Toy Story 4, Rocketman, The Lion King

BEST SOUND EDITING
1917, Ford V Ferrari, Star Wars 9, Ad Astra, Avengers: Endgame

BEST SOUND MIXING
Ford v Ferrari, 1917, Star Wars 9, Ad Astra, The Lighthouse

BEST (Documentary, Live-Action, Animated) SHORT
I honestly don't care about short films and these 3 awards. Maybe I should, but it is what it is.



6 Oscars - Marriage Story
4 Oscars - The Irishman
2 Oscars - Little Women, 1917
1 Oscar - Parasite, Once Upon / In Hollywood, Ford v Ferrari, Bombshell...
               ...Toy Story 4, Frozen II, American Factory


9 Nominations - The Irishman, Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
8 Nominations - Marriage Story, Little Women
7 Nominations - Parasite
6 Nominations - 1917
5 Nominations - Bombshell
4 Nominations - Jojo Rabbit, Ford v Ferrari, Ad Astra, Star Wars 9
3 Nominations - Joker, The Lighthouse
2 Nominations - A Beautiful Day / Neighborhood, The Farewell, Pain & Glory, Avengers: Endgame...
                         ...Rocketman, Toy Story 4, Judy, Frozen II, The Lion King
1 Nomination  - The Two Popes, Harriet, Hustlers, Dolemite Is My Name, Downton Abbey...
                        ...and all other international / documentary / animated nominees


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: UWS on November 13, 2019, 12:13:54 PM
And who do you think will be the nominee for best supporting actor for Irishman according to you? Pacino or Pesci?


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on November 13, 2019, 12:42:31 PM
And who do you think will be the nominee for best supporting actor for Irishman according to you? Pacino or Pesci?
I haven't seen it yet, but I'm reading a lot of people saying Pacino and a lot saying Pesci. It's a toss up. Voters might feel the same and end up voting Tom Hanks instead, just so they don't have to pick one over the other. I personally support Dafoe in The Lighthouse, but I don't think it'll happen.


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on November 16, 2019, 09:15:39 AM
So I saw The Irishman and - unpopular opinion alert - I didn’t think it was anything special (and I say that as someone who usually really enjoys Scorsese’s films).  Don’t get me wrong, it wasn’t bad and it definitely had its strengths.  Joe Pesci gives an excellent, highly restrained performance as an elderly mob boss who felt like the most believable character* in the film.  The de-aging effects didn’t really work with Al Pacino and I often felt like I was watching Al Pacino playing Jimmy Hoffa as opposed to watching Jimmy Hoffa, but he had such great energy that it wasn’t really a problem.  Bobby Cannavale (Sheeran’s first boss), Ray Romano (a corrupt mob lawyer), and especially Stephen Graham (Anthony “Tony Pro” Provenzano) were also good in smaller supporting roles. 

On a technical level, the cinematography was great, the de-aging technology worked really well with Pesci generally and with De Niro’s face.  The film had great production values (it better given its budget :P ).  There was also a great WATN running joke that’s too good to spoil and gets funnier every time. 

The biggest problem is the movie’s length.  3 and a half hours is a long time and you feel it.  The movie is okay quality-wise, but once you get to hours and realize you’ve got another hour and a half of meh, it feels more and more like a chore.  It’s also a pretty slow movie.  Plus De Niro still moves like an old person, so that was really distracting.

*And that’s the right word since the film is based on a book about the now largely discredited claims of a mid-level union racketeer with delusions of grandeur.  As such, much of what happens is heavily fictionalized, sometimes to an absurd degree.  While this generally wasn’t a problem, three things required more suspension of disbelief than I could give: specifically, the film’s 1) implication the mafia had JFK assassinated, 2) claim that Frank Sheeran killed Joe Gallo on Bill Bufilino’s orders when in fact neither man was even tangentially connected to Gallo’s murder or the events that caused it, and 3) its depiction of Joe Gallo as a boorish, hot-headed John Gotti type who went rogue when he had Joe Columbo shot when in fact he was by most accounts a very well-mannered, cultured, and genuinely intellectual individual who - while a fierce inter-family rival of Columbo’s - didn’t have Columbo whacked until after he was given permission to do so by the bosses of three other NY families b/c Columbo spat in Carlo Gambino’s face and screamed obscenities at him during a public argument.



Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on November 16, 2019, 04:35:40 PM
FORD V FERRARI (no spoilers)

I didn't like this as much as the critics seem to. I'd say it's an above-average film, and probably not praise it further than that, except to say that the acting and sound design were really good. I'm having a hard time articulating why I didn't love it. The pacing / plot movement perhaps. The story progressing from scene to scene to scene didn't "feel organic" as mucg as it felt like a list of plot points that we slowly move down one by one. Does that make sense? Another movie totally different movoe that I had this problem with is Rogue One: A Star Wars Story.

Overall, I recommend the movie if you don't have high expectations, but I don't strongly recommend it.

In terms of the Academy Awards, I'd say Joker absolutely deserves to be the 8th or 9th or 10th Best Picture nominee if this one of the few movies it's competing against for that spot. Due to "Oscar politics" (not the left wing right wing stuff) this may get a fairer shake than Joker, which is really too bad. In a fairer world, Joker would get the #8 spot and this would be competing for #9 or #10 with Bombshell and The Two Popes (with an outside chance for The Farewell or A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood). This should be a front runner for Best Sound Editing and Best Sound Mixing, with a shot at Best Editing and an outside shot at Best Actor (Christian Bale).


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on November 16, 2019, 07:50:48 PM
Joker wins Golden Frog, The Two Popes wins Silver Frog at EnergaCamerimage

This is a Polish festival where the Golden Frog winners often go on to Oscar nominations for the category of Best Cinematography. Joker has been talked about as maybe getting a nomination in this category or maybe just missing. The Two Popes has been in I guess the top 15 films talked about for this award? But not top 5 in most predictions. We'll see if this is the beginning of The Two Popes gaining momentum for a Best Cinematograpgy nomination or not.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/behind-screen/camerimage-joker-wins-golden-frog-1255133


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on November 17, 2019, 11:12:02 AM
Just saw The Report last night.  This was a phenomenal movie that - despite seemingly having Oscar bait written all over it - is really a one of those rare movies that everyone should see.  There’s reading about what we did to detainees and then there’s seeing a guy get water boarded or mock-buried alive in a wooden coffin.  The attempted CIA coverup (including its efforts to frame a Senate staffer using trumped up charges) are a whole horror story unto themselves.  Naturally most of the CIA officers involved were promoted and one of the top ones later became general counsel at AIG b/c of course she did ::)  This movie should really be shown in every high school American history class, but obviously that’s never gonna happen.

This movie probably isn’t more than a long-shot play for a nomination in BP, best adapted screenplay (probably its best chance for a nom), and maybe best editing.  However, it really deserves to be a top contender in numerous categories.  This is a movie that needed to be made and will absolutely horrify anyone with a soul...and I say that as someone who was in high school and college when this was coming out.  It’s not preachy either, it just shines a light on some of the monsters on our side.

5/5 - Highly recommended, then tell your friends to go see it :P


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on November 18, 2019, 06:48:21 PM
Just saw The Report last night.  This was a phenomenal movie that - despite seemingly having Oscar bait written all over it - is really a one of those rare movies that everyone should see.  There’s reading about what we did to detainees and then there’s seeing a guy get water boarded or mock-buried alive in a wooden coffin.  The attempted CIA coverup (including its efforts to frame a Senate staffer using trumped up charges) are a whole horror story unto themselves.  Naturally most of the CIA officers involved were promoted and one of the top ones later became general counsel at AIG b/c of course she did ::)  This movie should really be shown in every high school American history class, but obviously that’s never gonna happen.

This movie probably isn’t more than a long-shot play for a nomination in BP, best adapted screenplay (probably its best chance for a nom), and maybe best editing.  However, it really deserves to be a top contender in numerous categories.  This is a movie that needed to be made and will absolutely horrify anyone with a soul...and I say that as someone who was in high school and college when this was coming out.  It’s not preachy either, it just shines a light on some of the monsters on our side.

5/5 - Highly recommended, then tell your friends to go see it :P
Sounds great! Most theaters aren't playing it, sadly.


There is SOME talk of Annette Benning getting a Best Supporting Actress nomination as well, but she's gotta beat out two of Lopez, Mackenzie and the grandma from The Farewell (always forget her name). Dern, Pugh and Robbie seem to be fairly locked in already.


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on November 21, 2019, 10:30:31 AM
Just saw The Report last night.  This was a phenomenal movie that - despite seemingly having Oscar bait written all over it - is really a one of those rare movies that everyone should see.  There’s reading about what we did to detainees and then there’s seeing a guy get water boarded or mock-buried alive in a wooden coffin.  The attempted CIA coverup (including its efforts to frame a Senate staffer using trumped up charges) are a whole horror story unto themselves.  Naturally most of the CIA officers involved were promoted and one of the top ones later became general counsel at AIG b/c of course she did ::)  This movie should really be shown in every high school American history class, but obviously that’s never gonna happen.

This movie probably isn’t more than a long-shot play for a nomination in BP, best adapted screenplay (probably its best chance for a nom), and maybe best editing.  However, it really deserves to be a top contender in numerous categories.  This is a movie that needed to be made and will absolutely horrify anyone with a soul...and I say that as someone who was in high school and college when this was coming out.  It’s not preachy either, it just shines a light on some of the monsters on our side.

5/5 - Highly recommended, then tell your friends to go see it :P
Sounds great! Most theaters aren't playing it, sadly.


There is SOME talk of Annette Benning getting a Best Supporting Actress nomination as well, but she's gotta beat out two of Lopez, Mackenzie and the grandma from The Farewell (always forget her name). Dern, Pugh and Robbie seem to be fairly locked in already.

Honestly, while the makeup team did a great job making her look just like Feinstein, it really wasn’t a large or meaty enough role to merit serious awards consideration, especially given that it’s not exactly a weak field this time around.  The only real acting play this film has is Adam Driver for Best Actor and while he is excellent, I’m pretty sure he’s gonna get nominated for Marriage Story instead. 

Also, I am not at all a car person (never have been, I just wanna get from point A to point B safely with good fuel economy without paying more than I should for the car, I don’t care if it has all these random new features or not), but I saw Ford v Ferrari and loved it.  Is it the best film of the year?  No.  Is it an excellent film that deserves a BP nomination?  Absolutely, one of the best sports films I’ve ever seen (especially if we’re talking non-boxing sports films).  While it’s not as smart or insightful as Rush, it still has a solid script which includes two fascinating characters: Ken Miles and Henry Ford II. 

While the race scenes are riveting (so much so that during the Daytona one mid-way through the film, I actually stood up in the theater in excitement at the end before remembering where I was lol), the film’s ace in the hole is Ken Miles.  He’s a very interesting guy and Bale did a great job playing him.  I won’t spoil the end, but at first it reminded me of another classic sports film...and then something happened that I never would’ve seen coming in a million years and really hit me like a ton of bricks.  I started tearing up in the theater.  Also, Tracy Letts was excellent as Henry Ford II (stole every scene he was in before the final race) and the scene where we see his reaction upon learning of a particularly cutting insult Enzo Ferrari directed at him was a real masterclass in acting.

That said, Matt Damon’s performance was pretty meh and has gotten much more praise than it deserved.  It was just him using an awkward-sounding southern accent while playing a pretty bland, generic protagonist.  The film’s Carroll Shelby lacked the edge it needed to make the character work and a lot of the blame for that lies with Damon.  The problem is all the more glaring in his scenes with Bale, whose performance has this in spades and transcends the “non-threatening lovable rogue” stock character in a way Damon was seemingly unable to. 

I think it has a shot at a BP nomination, but it’s lost a lot of momentum in that race and I doubt it has any chance of winning at this point.  Bale has a shot at a Best Actor nomination, but it’ll depend on the strength of the field and whether he can get a SAG nomination.  If so, then he’s probably a serious contender for the fourth or fifth slot, but if he can’t crack the field there then he’s probably gonna get snubbed...probably.  Mangold did a great job directing (easily the best of his career thus far), but he’s got no chance of even a nomination.  I think the film will be a serious contender for Best Editing (though a win - while possible - definitely feels like a reach right now), nominations in both sound categories (b/c Hollywood doesn’t know the difference and just treats them as a catch-all “best sound”), and has an outside shot at a best cinematography nomination depending on how the field shakes out and how many people confuse visual effects with Cinematography (as the academy is wont to do). 

Don’t be surprised if the film over-performs at the Globes and then gets bupkis everywhere else.  If anyone is gonna respond to this movie on the circuit, it’ll be Globes voters (although to be clear, it’s not a sure thing that they will).

I give Ford v Ferrari a solid 4/5.  If you go in expecting an excellent sports movie that will entertain you for the night, you won’t be disappointed.  Just don’t expect anything more than that :P

Note: I went in with pretty low expectations, so that may well have caused me to be a bit more positive than I would otherwise have been.


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on November 22, 2019, 12:00:14 AM
The new Netflix holiday "Santa origin story" movie Klaus was pretty good, and better than I expected. The locks are Toy Story 4, Frozen 2 and How To Train Your Dragon 3, but I'm now hoping Klaus gets a Best Animated Feature nomination. I haven't seen Weathering With You, I Lost My Body or Abominable yet, but it was definitely better than Missing Link, which itself was a half-decent movie.


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on November 22, 2019, 05:02:09 PM
2017 Oscar race and The Shape Of Water

Just watched The Shape Of Water again, and I think I agree with the Academy awarding this Best Picture in the 2017 competition. I can also see very good arguments for Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri, Phantom Thread and Call Me By Your Name winning. I agree with Lady Bird and Get Out receiving Best Picture nominations, but I'm glad they weren't awarded over (IMO) better films. I'm 50/50 on whether Dunkirk and Darkest Hour should have been nominated or not, though they are very well made films. The Post should not have been nominated IMO. I think Bladerunner 2049, The Wife and especially Logan should have received nominations.

The Shape Of Water (winner)
Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
Logan (my addition)
Phantom Thread
Call Me By Your Name

Lady Bird
Get Out
Bladerunner 2049 (my addition)

Darkest Hour
The Wife (my addition)
Dunkirk (my subtraction)

The Post (my subtraction)


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on November 24, 2019, 08:20:37 AM
Since we're also doing 2017 and that's a year which 1) was a pretty great one for film and 2) where I have some rather...unusual thoughts about what should've won/been nominated (especially the latter), here are my thoughts on that year in the major categories:

Best Picture
1. Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
2. Get Out
3. World of Tomorrow - Episode Two: The Burden of Other People’s Thoughts
4. Wonder (This movie really didn't get its due, but it spoke to me on a very personal level and was one of the year's true hidden gems...or perhaps not so hidden since it shocked many by becoming one of 2017's big sleeper hits, speaking of which...)
5. IT: Chapter 1 (I know movies like this don't usually get nominated, but this was a great movie which managed to be both a near-perfect adaptation of a well-known doorstopper and very much its own thing)
6. Coco
7. Lady Bird
8. Okja (Fun fact: While I ultimately fell off the wagon, this movie inspired me to try to become a vegetarian and I went literally eight and a half months without eating any meat; talk about a powerful movie :P )
9. Detroit (another surprisingly under-appreciated film during award season)
10. I, Tonya

Best Actor
1. James Franco - The Disaster Artist (I'm not gonna complain about a sex predator not even getting nominated, but on the merits of performance quality, Franco deserved the win)
2. James McAvoy - Split (career best work completely overlooked :( )
3. Daniel Kaluuya - Get Out
4. Jacob Tremblay - Wonder (I thought he was much better here than in Room tbh)
5. Gary Oldman - Darkest Hour (Oldman was good, but the makeup did some of the work here and I feel like a lot of the awards were really for "best performance by someone who is ‘overdue’ in an Oscar-bait role” b/c he wasn't "give him every award ever" level good in Darkest Hour, not by a long shot)

Best Actress
1. Frances McDormand - Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri

2. Saoirse Ronan - Lady Bird
3. Margot Robbie - I, Tonya
4. Ahn Seo-hyun - Okja (an under-appreciated performance in an under-appreciated movie)
5. Sally Hawkins - The Shape of Water

Best Director
1. Andrés Muschietti - IT: Chapter 1 (his direction is part of why this film worked as well as it did)
2. Martin McDonagh - Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
3. Greta Gerwig - Lady Bird
4. Jordan Peele - Get Out
5. Lee Unkrich - Coco

Best Adapted Screenplay
1. Don Hertzfeldt - World of Tomorrow - Episode Two: The Burden of Other People’s Thoughts
2. Stephen Chbosky, Steve Conrad, and Jack Thorne - Wonder (The screenwriters of this film got robbed; the fact that Logan was nominated instead of Wonder was easily one of the year's worst Oscar snubs)
3. Gary Dauberman, Cary Fukunaga, and Chase Palmer - IT: Chapter 1
4. Scott Neustadter and Michael A. Weber - The Disaster Artist
5. Mike Flanagan and Jeff Howard - Gerald’s Game

Best Original Screenplay
1. Jordan Peele - Get Out
2. Martin McDonagh - Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
3. Matthew Aldrich, Jason Katz, Adrian Molina, and Lee Unkrich - Coco
4. Greta Gerwig - Lady Bird
5. Mark Boal - Detroit (although there’s definitely an argument for giving Okja the fifth slot)

Best Supporting Actor
1. Sam Rockwell - Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
2. Will Poulter - Detroit (I suppose the Oscars were never gonna nominated two performances as violently racist cops in the same year in the same category)
3. Harrison Ford - Blade Runner 2049
4. Richard Jenkins - The Shape of Water
5. Steve Carrell - Battle of the Sexes (so hard to choose between this, Jake Gyllenhaal balls-to-the-walls madcap turn as a washed-up, alcoholic, cartoonishly evil Steve Irwin parody in Okja and Jack Dylan Grazer's hilariously neurotic performance as Eddie in IT: Chapter 1, but Carrell’s scene-stealing, hammy as hell yet surprisingly nuanced take on Bobby Riggs probably deserves the fifth slot most for turning what could’ve easily been a one-note caricature into a three-dimensional, always entertaining, decidedly obnoxious yet just as often sympathetic portrait of flawed man trying to hide his failings behind a MAGA-lite public persona)

Best Supporting Actress
1. Allison Janney - I, Tonya
2. Laurie Metcalf - Lady Bird
3. Betty Buckley - Split (about 80% of her lines were silly nonsense, but Buckley sold every one of them perfectly and made it look easy in her career best performance; that's right Cats fans, you heard me :P )
4. Betty Gabriel - Get Out
5. Brooklynn Prince - The Florida Project

Best Animated Film
1. World of Tomorrow - Episode Two: The Burden of Other People’s Thoughts - Don Hertzfeldt
2. Coco - Lee Unkrich
3. The Breadwinner - Nora Twomey
4. Loving Vincent - Dorota Kobiela and Hugh Welchman
5. Captain Underpants: The First Epic Movie - David Soren

Best Documentary
1. Get Me Roger Stone - Dylan Bank, Daniel DiMauro, and Morgan Pehme  (Great documentary, also far less preachy than I had feared)
2. Icarus - Bryan Fogel
3. Jim & Andy: The Great Beyond - Chris Smith
4. Last Men in Aleppo - Firas Fayyad
5. Kedi - Ceyda Torun

Best Foreign Film
1. Loveless (Russia) - Andrey Zvyagintsev
2. Raw (Belgium) - Julia Ducournau

3. The Square (Sweden) - Ruben Östlund

4. First They Killed my Father (Cambodia) - Angelina Jolie
5. BPM (Beats per Minute) (France) - Robin Campillo

Best Original Score
1. IT: Chapter 1 - Benjamin Wallfisch
 (Another ridiculous Oscar snub)
2. The Shape of Water - Alexandre Desplat
3. Phantom Thread - Jonny Greenwood
4. Okja - Jaeil Jung
5. Darkest Hour - Dario Marianelli

Best Original Song
1. Kristen Anderson-Lopez and Robert Lopez - Remember Me (Coco) (A great example of a song being perfect in the context of the story, much harder than merely writing hummable tunes)
2. Sufjan Stevens - Mystery of Love (Call Me by Your Name) (Probably the only nom the film deserved tbh)
3. Germaine Franco and Adrian Molina - Un Poco Loco (Coco)
4. Bilal and The Roots - It Ain’t Fair (Detroit)
5. Andra Day and Common - Stand Up for Something (Marshall)  (As good a choice to round out the fifth slot as any)

Best Film Editing
1. Wonder - Mark Livolsi
2. Baby Driver - Jonathan Amos and Paul Machliss
3. All the Money in the World - Claire Simpson
4. Dunkirk - Lee Smith
5. Lady Bird - Nick Houy

Best Cinematography
1. IT: Chapter 1 - Chung-hoon Chung
2. Darkest Hour - Bruno Delbonnel
3. Baby Driver - Bill Pope
4. Blade Runner 2049 - Roger Deakins
5. Detroit - Barry Ackroyd


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on November 24, 2019, 07:18:10 PM
If we're talking about the movies of 2017, 'Blade Runner 2049' was my absolute favorite film of that year. I also loved 'Coco,' 'Lady Bird,' 'The Shape of Water,' and 'Three Billboards' of those were received awards season attention.

As for films that were completely underrated for that year:
-'Brad's Status'
-'Colossal'
-'Detroit'
-'Ingrid Goes West'
-'The Blackcoat's Daughter'
-'The Killing of a Sacred Deer'
-'Wind River'

And now for those that I found overrated:
-'Call Me By Your Name'
-'Darkest Hour'
-'Dunkirk'
-'Logan'
-'Phantom Thread'
-'Star Wars Episode XIII: The Last Jedi'
-'The Disaster Artist'
-'The Post'


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on November 24, 2019, 11:16:08 PM
Since we're also doing 2017 and that's a year which 1) was a pretty great one for film and 2) where I have some rather...unusual thoughts about what should've won/been nominated (especially the latter), here are my thoughts on that year in the major categories:
You really hated Logan and Call Me By Your Name, huh? I wasn't a huge fan of Call Me By Your Name overall - I thought it was good but overrated - but the craftsmanship (cinematography, directing, acting) was objectively very good. Logan I absolutely loved, but it's harder to objectively argue it's merits without inserting my biases, so I won't do that.


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on November 24, 2019, 11:31:28 PM
Since we're also doing 2017 and that's a year which 1) was a pretty great one for film and 2) where I have some rather...unusual thoughts about what should've won/been nominated (especially the latter), here are my thoughts on that year in the major categories:
You really hated Logan and Call Me By Your Name, huh? I wasn't a huge fan of Call Me By Your Name overall - I thought it was good but overrated - but the craftsmanship (cinematography, directing, acting) was objectively very good. Logan I absolutely loved, but it's harder to objectively argue it's merits without inserting my biases, so I won't do that.

- I didn't see what all of the fuss was about Call Me By Your Name tbh.  Then again, I've never really been a fan of Luca Guadagnino or James Ivory's work.  I didn't hate it, it was perfectly serviceable...but 2017 was a very strong year for movies and there are only so many slots to go around (same reason Shape of Water is missing from so many categories)

- I didn't hate Logan, but my understanding is that Wonder and Logan were always battling for the fifth slot that year in Adapted Screenplay


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on November 26, 2019, 05:43:28 AM
A BEAUTIFUL DAY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD (no spoilers)

This movie is a lot more experimental and outside-of-the-box than I thought it would be, and that's mostly a good thing.  From a story perspective however, it feels like a TV movie but with way above average budget, cinematography, acting, and some very interesting creative decisions that I can't get into in a non-spoiler review. The "TV movie plot" aspect is my biggest criticism here, because IMO it prevents this movie from being "great" or "amazing" or "a classic", but there's so much more to this movie besides the plot. It's an emotional and inspirational film and some may cry.

When it comes to acting, Matthew Rhys was just as good as Tom Hanks IMO. I actually feel like Hanks was slightly miscast, but made it work well enough regardless. Hanks may or may not deserve an Oscar nomination, but he was goox. IMO he doesn't deserve to win the Oscar as his performance wasn't mindblowing.

The marketing for this movie is misleading as well, be warned. The movie as a whole is all about Mr. Rodgers, but the man himself is a supporting character in the plot. I prefer not to elaborate for non-spoiler purposes.

VERDICT - I can see some mainstream movie watchers disliking this for being a drama and not being a Fred Rogers bio-pic. If you like "Oscar drama" type movies, you will probably appreciate this movie and like it. I'm going to give this a "B+" rating. There are lots of great elements that make me want to go higher, but the plot just didn't do enough for me.

OSCAR NOMINATIONS - This is going to miss out on Best Picture, Best Director and Best Actor IMO. There is a good chance that Tom Hanks is nominated for Best Supporting Actor, 50/50 chance for Best Adapted Screenplay and an outside shot at Best Cinematography.


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on November 26, 2019, 07:09:27 PM
If we're talking about the movies of 2017, 'Blade Runner 2049' was my absolute favorite film of that year. I also loved 'Coco,' 'Lady Bird,' 'The Shape of Water,' and 'Three Billboards' of those were received awards season attention.

As for films that were completely underrated for that year:
-'Brad's Status'
-'Colossal'
-'Detroit'
-'Ingrid Goes West'
-'The Blackcoat's Daughter'
-'The Killing of a Sacred Deer'
-'Wind River'

And now for those that I found overrated:
-'Call Me By Your Name'
-'Darkest Hour'
-'Dunkirk'
-'Logan'
-'Phantom Thread'
-'Star Wars Episode XIII: The Last Jedi'
-'The Disaster Artist'
-'The Post'

I feel so bad for forgetting about 'The Founder' in my underrated films list.

 I usually tend not to care for conventional, straightforward biopics, but the character of Ray Kroc ( I say character since, even though he is a real person, I am just going off how he was portrayed in the film) and Michael Keaton's acting as that character felt really compelling to me. I guess the biopics I like the most are ones where the subject borders on being a villain. I would put 'The Social Network' in that category too. They almost feel like super-villain origin stories.

It was especially interesting since I remember that 'The Founder' came out around the time of Trump's inauguration, and while I hate to bring him into everything (especially my means of escapism), I couldn't help but pick up on the similarities between him and Kroc.

I thought the film was fascinating, and it's a damn shame that it didn't get more attention or praise.


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on November 27, 2019, 11:19:46 PM
I accidentally deleted my The Irishman review trying to post my brand new Knives Out review. Damn.

Cut-and-paste recap from another thread:


THE IRISHMAN (no spoilers)

I posted a short spoiler-free review in the Oscars & Awards Season thread.

Basically, I view it as a very good film that deserves a lot of the praise, but there are several aspects that I think are being over-rated, that ARE very good but are not amazing and incredible. Some of those would be Pacino's performance, the cinematography, how the film delivers the message it's trying to deliver, and the entire film overall. I think major praise is fully deserved in regards to DeNiro, the de-aging special effects, and the pacing of this 3.5 hour film.

Some people are saying masterpiece, but I would give a score of "A minus" or possibly "A".

FINAL SCORE
A minus


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on December 03, 2019, 02:56:27 AM
KNIVES OUT (no spoilers)

Hard to talk about this without spoilers. First off, I have to say, this is a political movie that you can also enjoy if you ignore the politics. The politics seem like small, unimportant window dressing, and the movie works 100% without them and without focusing on them. If you want to though, you can peel back all sorts of layers here and see all kinds of politics. I can't discuss any of that because of spoilers, but maybe that's something that could entice you to go and see this (very good) film. It's a murder mystery whodunit with thriller elements and the all-star cast does a good job. The main character played by Ana De Armas is probably the best performance.

DECENT BUT NOT GREAT
- Cinematography
- The cast. ALL good acting but nobody was incredible
- The twists and turns are pretty good
- I really liked Toni Collette's performance

DESERVES A LOT OF PRAISE
- Ana De Armas was good, deserves praise for pulling off a lead role
- The subtle politics was icing on the cake. Your Mileage May Vary

FINAL SCORE
A minus

OSCAR TALK
The one Oscar that Knives Out has a 50/50 shot at being nominated for is Best Original Screenplay. Some other non-Oscar awards have a Best Ensemble Cast award, and this has a good shot at those awards for sure. Ana De Armas was pretty good, but probably not good enough to get a Best Actress nomination in a year full of good female lead performances. There's some small chance that Daniel Craig gets nominated for Best Supporting Actor, but it's a long shot.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on December 03, 2019, 04:57:56 PM
I saw A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood.  I liked it well enough, I guess, but it wasn't an amazing movie by any means.  Really good message though!  It was a perfect tribute to Fred Rogers and what he stood for.   It might be a contender for an Adapted Screenplay nomination given how weak the field is this year as far as #OscarMovies go, but I think that it probably doesn't get nominated in any category.  It just isn't going to get many #1 votes and the Oscar nominations are determined by the number of first choice votes.

3/5


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on December 05, 2019, 06:36:35 AM
J'AI PERDU MON CORPS (I LOST MY BODY) [Netflix] (no spoilers)

This is a well-made and well-animated artsy fartsy French film following two plots - the story of a young arab Frenchman living in Paris and the story of a walking severed hand with a mind of it's own. It is a good movie and I would recommend it either strongly or not at all, depending on how you feel about artsy European films. Make sure you watch it it's original audio of French and use subtitles. When I watched it, my Netflix account started me off in an english dub, which is not the way the actual movie was envisioned, written or voice-acted.

THINGS THAT WILL BE DIVISIVE
- Does the artsy stuff help the story or waste time?
- What are the deeper meanings here? Expressed well enough?
- The third act

DESERVES A LOT OF PRAISE
- The animation
- The scene where he first meets Martinez
- The way the film expresses moods and emotions

FINAL SCORE
B plus

OSCAR TALK
This is only going for Best Animated Film I think, and is expected to be a top 7 movie (nominated or just misses out). I think this is the kind of film the Academy LOVES, so my personal opinion is that it will get nominated by beating out Missing Link and one of Klaus / Weathering With You. I actually see this as a long shot to win the Oscar over Toy Story 4. It's pretty unlikely but IMO not impossible.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on December 06, 2019, 06:14:21 AM
I saw A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood.  I liked it well enough, I guess, but it wasn't an amazing movie by any means.  Really good message though!  It was a perfect tribute to Fred Rogers and what he stood for.   It might be a contender for an Adapted Screenplay nomination given how weak the field is this year as far as #OscarMovies go, but I think that it probably doesn't get nominated in any category.  It just isn't going to get many #1 votes and the Oscar nominations are determined by the number of first choice votes.

3/5
A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood's reddit Oscar nominations chatter says...

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR - 75% chance or even higher
BEST PICTURE - top 15 film but not in the top 7 (only 8/9/10 get nominated)
BEST DIRECTOR - top 10 film but not in the top 6 (only 5 get nomonated)


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on December 06, 2019, 11:24:19 PM
JOJO RABBIT (no spoilers)

This movie lacks truly top-tier directing, cinematography, acting, score, and the script isn't perfectly paced. This is not an "artistic masterpiece". All of the things I just mentioned are actually pretty good, but not at that very top level.

That being said, this was a DAMNED good film and I absolutely loved it. People worried that this film is offensive need to go see it. It's great, and it's message is great. Thomasin Mackenzie has a long career in Hollywood ahead of her - she upstaged both Johansson and Rockwell. BIG recommendation for anybody reading this to go and check this film out. Best Picture nomination is expected and it better not get overlooked.

Just saw it today, it's brilliant.  Belonging more to the 'coming of age in war' genre than to satire, the humor serves to frame Jojo's experience.  You can see how a young boy might fall under the spell of the propoganda, and his discovery of it an empty shell that opposes what he truly loves.  A few moments nearly brought me tears. Visually beautiful and the score was great as well. 

Thomasin is excellent, I loved her in Leave No Trace - my favorite film of last year and unfairly passed over by the Academy.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on December 07, 2019, 02:51:40 PM
I saw A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood.  I liked it well enough, I guess, but it wasn't an amazing movie by any means.  Really good message though!  It was a perfect tribute to Fred Rogers and what he stood for.   It might be a contender for an Adapted Screenplay nomination given how weak the field is this year as far as #OscarMovies go, but I think that it probably doesn't get nominated in any category.  It just isn't going to get many #1 votes and the Oscar nominations are determined by the number of first choice votes.

3/5
A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood's reddit Oscar nominations chatter says...

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR - 75% chance or even higher
BEST PICTURE - top 15 film but not in the top 7 (only 8/9/10 get nominated)
BEST DIRECTOR - top 10 film but not in the top 6 (only 5 get nomonated)

I mean, is there really any difference between this and Tom Hanks’ general screen persona?  I feel like this is the same performance he’s given in at least half of his post-Cast Away roles.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on December 07, 2019, 03:16:32 PM
I saw A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood.  I liked it well enough, I guess, but it wasn't an amazing movie by any means.  Really good message though!  It was a perfect tribute to Fred Rogers and what he stood for.   It might be a contender for an Adapted Screenplay nomination given how weak the field is this year as far as #OscarMovies go, but I think that it probably doesn't get nominated in any category.  It just isn't going to get many #1 votes and the Oscar nominations are determined by the number of first choice votes.

3/5
A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood's reddit Oscar nominations chatter says...

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR - 75% chance or even higher
BEST PICTURE - top 15 film but not in the top 7 (only 8/9/10 get nominated)
BEST DIRECTOR - top 10 film but not in the top 6 (only 5 get nomonated)

I mean, is there really any difference between this and Tom Hanks’ general screen persona?  I feel like this is the same performance he’s given in at least half of his post-Cast Away roles.
IMO yes there's a difference, and the best parts of Hanks' performance were subtle. That said, I'm not as huge of a fan of his performance as others are. In my opinion though, it's a weak year for Best Supporting Actor. Nobody has really impressed me outside of performances that might not even be nominated (Willam Dafoe, maybe Johnathan Pryce based on the trailer I saw).


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on December 08, 2019, 05:29:39 PM
Of all the different awarfs ceremonies nominees and winners that tend to indicate who will get Oscar nominations, the Golden Globes are probably the most relevant, followed by the BAFTAs, followed by the Critics Choice Awards and PGAs. We'll be getting the Golden Globe nominees announcement tomorrow, and today we have the Critics Choice Awards nominees.

In 2020, from early January to mid January, we have those two awards ceremonies, the other two sets of nominees announced, the PGA awards and the Oscar nominees announced.

Early February is the BAFTAs and then the Oscars.


Critics Choice Awards nominees

BEST PICTURE
The Irishman
Marriage Story
Parasite
1917
Little Women
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Jojo Rabbit
Ford V Ferrari
Joker
Uncut Gems

BEST DIRECTOR
The Irishman
Marriage Story
Parasite
1917
Little Women
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Uncut Gems

BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
Marriage Story
Parasite
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
The Farewell
Knives Out

BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
The Irishman
Little Women
Jojo Rabbit
Joker
The Two Popes
A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood

BEST ACTOR
The Irishman
Marriage Story
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Joker
Uncut Gems
Pain & Glory
Dolemite Is My Name

BEST ACTRESS
Marriage Story
Little Women
Bombshell
The Farewell
Us
Judy
Harriet

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
The Irishman (Pesce)
The Irishman (Pacino)
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
The Two Popes
A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood
The Lighthouse

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Marriage Story
Little Women
Jojo Rabbit
Bombshell
The Farewell
Hustlers

BEST YOUNG ACTOR/ACTRESS (Non-Oscar category)
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Jojo Rabbit (Davis)
Jojo Rabbit (Mackenzie)
Jojo Rabbit (Yates)
Honey Boy
Us

BEST ENSEMBLE CAST (Non-Oscar category)
The Irishman
Marriage Story
Parasite
Little Women
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Bombshell
Knives Out


BEST FOREIGN LANGUAGE FILM
Parasite
Pain & Glory
Portrait Of A Lady On Fire
Les Miserables
Atlantics

BEST ANIMATED FEATURE
Toy Story 4
Frozen II
How To Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World
I Lost My Body
Missing Link
Abominable

BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY
The Irishman
1917
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Ford V Ferrari
The Lighthouse

BEST EDITING
The Irishman
Parasite
1917
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Ford V Ferrari
Uncut Gems

BEST VISUAL EFFECTS
The Irishman
1917
Ford V Ferrari
Avengers: Endgame
Ad Astra
The Aeronauts
The Lion King

BEST PRODUCTION DESIGN
The Irishman
Parasite
1917
Little Women
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Joker
Downton Abbey

BEST COSTUME DESIGN
The Irishman
Little Women
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Rocketman
Dolemite Is My Name
Downton Abbey

BEST HAIR & MAKEUP
The Irishman
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Bombshell
Joker
Rocketman
Dolemite Is My Name
Judy

BEST SCORE
The Irishman
Marriage Story
1917
Little Women
Joker
Us

BEST SONG
Rocketman
Harriet
Wild Rose
Frozen II
The Lion King
Aladdin
Breakthrough

BEST ACTION MOVIE (Non-Oscar category)
1917
Ford V Ferrari
Avengers: Endgame
Spider-Man: Far From Home
John Wick: Chapter 3 - Parabellum

BEST COMEDY (Non-Oscar category)
Jojo Rabbit
The Farewell
Knives Out
Booksmart
Dolemite Is My Name

BEST SCI-FI OR HORROR MOVIE (Non-Oscar category)
Avengers: Endgame
Ad Astra
Us
Midsommar



My thoughts in the top 13 contenders...

- The Irishman did great
- Marriage Story doing good but no Editing no Cinematography
- Parasite doing well but no Cimematography and only Ensemble for acting
- 1917 doing as expected
- Little Women doing as expected
- Once Upon A Time In Hollywood doing good, no snubs
- Jojo Rabbit did poorly here, at least it got Screenplay and Supporting Actress
- Ford V Ferrari only gets Picture and technical stuff, no Actor
- Joker no Director no cimematography but overall did okay
- Bombshell doing bad, only acting and hair makeup
- The Two Popes did poorly, only Screenplay and Supporting Actor
- The Farewell doing as expected
- A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood did poorly, only Screenplay and Supporting Actor

- Uncut Gems did VERY well, has some shot at a Best Picture Oscar nomination now


If this ends up having some bearing on the final Oscars results, the Best Picture race would now look like this:

FRONT-RUNNERS
The Irishman, Marriage Story, Parasite

COULD WIN BEST PICTURE
1917, Little Women, Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

WILL BE NOMINATED
Jojo Rabbit

JUST GET IN OR JUST MISS
Ford V Ferrari, Joker, The Farewell, Uncut Gems

WILDCARD TO GET IN
Bombshell, The Two Popes, A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on December 08, 2019, 09:07:53 PM
Of all the different awarfs ceremonies nominees and winners that tend to indicate who will get Oscar nominations, the Golden Globes are probably the most relevant, followed by the BAFTAs, followed by the Critics Choice Awards and PGAs. We'll be getting the Golden Globe nominees announcement tomorrow, and today we have the Critics Choice Awards nominees.

In 2020, from early January to mid January, we have those two awards ceremonies, the other two sets of nominees announced, the PGA awards and the Oscar nominees announced.

Early February is the BAFTAs and then the Oscars.


Critics Choice Awards nominees

BEST PICTURE
The Irishman
Marriage Story
Parasite
1917
Little Women
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Ford V Ferrari
Joker
Uncut Gems

BEST DIRECTOR
The Irishman
Marriage Story
Parasite
1917
Little Women
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Uncut Gems

BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
Marriage Story
Parasite
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
The Farewell
Knives Out

BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
The Irishman
Little Women
Jojo Rabbit
Joker
The Two Popes
A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood

BEST ACTOR
The Irishman
Marriage Story
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Joker
Uncut Gems
Pain & Glory
Dolemite Is My Name

BEST ACTRESS
Marriage Story
Little Women
Bombshell
The Farewell
Us
Judy
Harriet

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
The Irishman (Pesce)
The Irishman (Pacino)
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
The Two Popes
A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood
The Lighthouse

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Marriage Story
Little Women
Jojo Rabbit
Bombshell
The Farewell
Hustlers

BEST YOUNG ACTOR/ACTRESS (Non-Oscar category)
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Jojo Rabbit (Davis)
Jojo Rabbit (Mackenzie)
Jojo Rabbit (Yates)
Honey Boy
Us

BEST ENSEMBLE CAST (Non-Oscar category)
The Irishman
Marriage Story
Parasite
Little Women
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Bombshell
Knives Out


BEST FOREIGN LANGUAGE FILM
Parasite
Pain & Glory
Portrait Of A Lady On Fire
Les Miserables
Atlantics

BEST ANIMATED FEATURE
Toy Story 4
Frozen II
How To Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World
I Lost My Body
Missing Link
Abominable

BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY
The Irishman
1917
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Ford V Ferrari
The Lighthouse

BEST EDITING
The Irishman
Parasite
1917
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Ford V Ferrari
Uncut Gems

BEST VISUAL EFFECTS
The Irishman
1917
Ford V Ferrari
Avengers: Endgame
Ad Astra
The Aeronauts
The Lion King

BEST PRODUCTION DESIGN
The Irishman
Parasite
1917
Little Women
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Joker
Downton Abbey

BEST COSTUME DESIGN
The Irishman
Little Women
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Rocketman
Dolemite Is My Name
Downton Abbey

BEST HAIR & MAKEUP
The Irishman
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Bombshell
Joker
Rocketman
Dolemite Is My Name
Judy

BEST SCORE
The Irishman
Marriage Story
1917
Little Women
Joker
Us

BEST SONG
Rocketman
Harriet
Wild Rose
Frozen II
The Lion King
Aladdin
Breakthrough

BEST ACTION MOVIE (Non-Oscar category)
1917
Ford V Ferrari
Avengers: Endgame
Spider-Man: Far From Home
John Wick: Chapter 3 - Parabellum

BEST COMEDY (Non-Oscar category)
Jojo Rabbit
The Farewell
Knives Out
Booksmart
Dolemite Is My Name

BEST SCI-FI OR HORROR MOVIE (Non-Oscar category)
Avengers: Endgame
Ad Astra
Us
Midsommar



My thoughts in the top 13 contenders...

- The Irishman did great
- Marriage Story doing good but no Editing no Cinematography
- Parasite doing well but no Cimematography and only Ensemble for acting
- 1917 doing as expected
- Little Women doing as expected
- Once Upon A Time In Hollywood doing good, no snubs
- Jojo Rabbit did poorly here, at least it got Screenplay and Supporting Actress
- Ford V Ferrari only gets Picture and technical stuff, no Actor
- Joker no Director no cimematography but overall did okay
- Bombshell doing bad, only acting and hair makeup
- The Two Popes did poorly, only Screenplay and Supporting Actor
- The Farewell doing as expected
- A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood did poorly, only Screenplay and Supporting Actor

- Uncut Gems did VERY well, has some shot at a Best Picture Oscar nomination now


If this ends up having some bearing on the final Oscars results, the Best Picture race would now look like this:

FRONT-RUNNERS
The Irishman, Marriage Story, Parasite

COULD WIN BEST PICTURE
1917, Little Women, Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

WILL BE NOMINATED
Jojo Rabbit

JUST GET IN OR JUST MISS
Ford V Ferrari, Joker, The Farewell, Uncut Gems

WILDCARD TO GET IN
Bombshell, The Two Popes, A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood

Gotta disagree, this group was never going to be among Jojo Rabbit’s strongest supporters whereas Parasite needs to absolute clean up with critics groups to have any shot at winning Best Picture.  At this point the contenders for a BP win are (in order)

Once Upon a Time...in Hollywood (Hollywood loves seeing itself romanticized)
The Irishman
Jojo Rabbit (this is definitely the “everyone at the Thanksgiving table will like it even if only some of people love it” contender)
Marriage Story (if it gets best director and best editing nods...watch out)

Parasite will definitely be nominated, but right now I doubt it has more than an outside shot although a Best Director win is still possible.  Any acting nominations seem extremely unlikely though tbh.

Also not to nitpick, but Jojo Rabbit did get nominated for Best Picture :P


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on December 09, 2019, 02:19:05 AM
My thoughts in the top 13 contenders...

- The Irishman did great
- Marriage Story doing good but no Editing no Cinematography
- Parasite doing well but no Cimematography and only Ensemble for acting
- 1917 doing as expected
- Little Women doing as expected
- Once Upon A Time In Hollywood doing good, no snubs
- Jojo Rabbit did poorly here, at least it got Screenplay and Supporting Actress
- Ford V Ferrari only gets Picture and technical stuff, no Actor
- Joker no Director no cimematography but overall did okay
- Bombshell doing bad, only acting and hair makeup
- The Two Popes did poorly, only Screenplay and Supporting Actor
- The Farewell doing as expected
- A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood did poorly, only Screenplay and Supporting Actor

- Uncut Gems did VERY well, has some shot at a Best Picture Oscar nomination now


If this ends up having some bearing on the final Oscars results, the Best Picture race would now look like this:

FRONT-RUNNERS
The Irishman, Marriage Story, Parasite

COULD WIN BEST PICTURE
1917, Little Women, Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

WILL BE NOMINATED
Jojo Rabbit

JUST GET IN OR JUST MISS
Ford V Ferrari, Joker, The Farewell, Uncut Gems

WILDCARD TO GET IN
Bombshell, The Two Popes, A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood

Gotta disagree, this group was never going to be among Jojo Rabbit’s strongest supporters whereas Parasite needs to absolute clean up with critics groups to have any shot at winning Best Picture.  At this point the contenders for a BP win are (in order)

Once Upon a Time...in Hollywood (Hollywood loves seeing itself romanticized)
The Irishman
Jojo Rabbit (this is definitely the “everyone at the Thanksgiving table will like it even if only some of people love it” contender)
Marriage Story (if it gets best director and best editing nods...watch out)
Marriage Story is my hope to win Best Picture, on the strength of Original Screenplay, Actor, Actress and some technical Oscars. The only movie I'd prefer at this stage is Parasite, which is more of a long shot. To win Best Picture, Parasite like you said needs to win Best Director or have both of Marriage Story and The Irishman underperform, or both. The third option in my mind is the most likely, where The Irishman wins based on Adapted Screenplay, acting, and technical. If The Irishman gets both Adapted Screenplay and Director, the game is over for everybody else.

Outside of those 3, my gut tells me Once Upon A Time In Hollywood isn't happening and I would kind of be okay with Jojo Rabbit being this year's version of Crash / Green Nook and winning over better films. I loved Jojo Rabbit so much.

Parasite will definitely be nominated, but right now I doubt it has more than an outside shot although a Best Director win is still possible.  Any acting nominations seem extremely unlikely though tbh.

I'm still holding out hope on acting, but it's looking unlikely.

Also not to nitpick, but Jojo Rabbit did get nominated for Best Picture :P
Thanks I missed that. This is good news IMO.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on December 09, 2019, 02:37:13 AM
MARRIAGE STORY (no spoilers)

I'm having a hard time reviewing this. It was overall just so damn good, that I can't really say what was bad (nothing) or what were the strong points of the film (everything). This is my generation's Kramer Vs Kramer, and I can say with confidence that Marriage Story is the better film and therefore an instant classic. Drop everything you're doing, log onto Netflix and watch this movie right now. You owe it to yourself. I was blown away when I saw this late Thursday night, and I'm thinking about it all the time still days later.

DECENT BUT NOT GREAT
- Alan Alda
- Ray Liotta
- The pacing
- The smaller characters in the movie

DESERVES A LOT OF PRAISE
- Laura Dern
- The how good and confident in itself the script is
- The underrated subtle cinematography
- The emotion
- How REAL this movie feels

DESERVE MORE THAN PRAISE, WORSHIP-WORTHY
- Adam Driver
- Scarlett Johansson

FINAL SCORE
A (maybe A plus, I'll think on it)

OSCAR TALK
This is a big player for Best Picture, Original Screenplay, Actor, Actress and Supporting Actress. It also has a reasonable chance at Director, Cinematography, Editing and Score. Unlikely but possible is Supporting Actor. This is IMO going to win Best Picture unless the Academy goes with The Irishman (likely) or Parasite (unlikely). What a film.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on December 09, 2019, 06:19:16 PM
MARRIAGE STORY (no spoilers)

I'm having a hard time reviewing this. It was overall just so damn good, that I can't really say what was bad (nothing) or what were the strong points of the film (everything). This is my generation's Kramer Vs Kramer, and I can say with confidence that Marriage Story is the better film and therefore an instant classic. Drop everything you're doing, log onto Netflix and watch this movie right now. You owe it to yourself. I was blown away when I saw this late Thursday night, and I'm thinking about it all the time still days later.

DECENT BUT NOT GREAT
- Alan Alda
- Ray Liotta
- The pacing
- The smaller characters in the movie

DESERVES A LOT OF PRAISE
- Laura Dern
- The how good and confident in itself the script is
- The underrated subtle cinematography
- The emotion
- How REAL this movie feels

DESERVE MORE THAN PRAISE, WORSHIP-WORTHY
- Adam Driver
- Scarlett Johansson

FINAL SCORE
A (maybe A plus, I'll think on it)

OSCAR TALK
This is a big player for Best Picture, Original Screenplay, Actor, Actress and Supporting Actress. It also has a reasonable chance at Director, Cinematography, Editing and Score. Unlikely but possible is Supporting Actor. This is IMO going to win Best Picture unless the Academy goes with The Irishman (likely) or Parasite (unlikely). What a film.

I'm in the process of watching it. It's another one of those that I've had to watch in pieces. I'll get back to you with my thoughts, if I feel like I have anything to add.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on December 10, 2019, 02:11:01 AM
Golden Globes nominations are here!

Joker and The Two Popes did very well, definitely better than Ford V Ferrari and Bombshell. These movies are all just outside the top 7 for Best Picture Oscar nominations, fighting fir the #8 spot and a possibly #9 (and #10?) spot. Golden Globes are probably the biggest film awards that influence and/or reveal how the Oscars might go, so this is big news.

Little Women was not nominated for Best Picture or Director, with The Two Popes and Joker taking it's places.

Also big news, Marriage Story and Little Women were both not nominated for Best Director, but Joker was.

Robert DeNiro wasn't nominated for Best Actor, it went to Anthony Hopkins instead.

Knives Out did pretty good, but other movies trying to get in - or back in - to the conversation got nothing done here... The Lighthouse, Just Mercy, A Hidden Life, Queen & Slim, Waves, The Aeronauts and Clemency. The only nomination for A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood was Tom Hanks, so it looks like a Best Picture nomination is really slipping away fast for that film.

Golden Globe Awards nominees

BEST PICTURE
The Irishman (drama)
Marriage Story (drama)
1917 (drama)
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood (comedy/musical)
Jojo Rabbit (comedy/musical)
Joker (drama)
The Two Popes (drama)
Knives Out (comedy/musical)
Rocketman (comedy/musical)
Dolemite Is My Name (comedy/musical)

BEST DIRECTOR
The Irishman
Parasite
1917
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Joker

BEST SCREENPLAY
The Irishman
Marriage Story
Parasite
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
The Two Popes

BEST ACTOR
Marriage Story (drama)
Joker (drama)
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood (comedy/musical)
The Two Popes (drama)
Pain & Glory (drama)
Ford V Ferrari (drama)
Rocketman (comedy/musical)
Dolemite Is My Name (comedy/musical)
Jojo Rabbit (comedy/musical)
Knives Out (comedy/musical)

BEST ACTRESS
Judy (drama)
Marriage Story (drama)
Little Women (drama)
Bombshell (drama)
The Farewell (comedy/musical)
Harriet (drama)
Knives Out (comedy/musical)
Booksmart (comedy/musical)
Late Night (comedy/musical)
Where'd You Go Bernadette (comedy/musical)

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
The Irishman (Pesce)
A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood
The Irishman (Pacino)
The Two Popes

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Marriage Story
Bombshell
Hustlers
The Report
Richard Jewell

BEST FOREIGN LANGUAGE FILM
Parasite
The Farewell
Pain & Glory
Portrait Of A Lady On Fire
Les Miserables

BEST ANIMATED FEATURE
Toy Story 4
Frozen II
How To Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World
Missing Link
The Lion King

BEST SCORE
1917
Marriage Story
Little Women
Joker
Motherless Brooklyn

BEST SONG
Rocketman
Harriet
Frozen II
The Lion King
Cats


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on December 10, 2019, 06:42:41 AM
Always happy to see Roman Griffin Davis getting some unexpected, but very well-deserved recognition :)


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: Orser67 on December 10, 2019, 12:45:21 PM
Still haven't seen most of the Best Picture front-runners, but I just saw Marriage Story, and I thought it was really good. I definitely think it's good enough to win BP.

Ford v. Ferrari was the ultimate dad movie (and in fact, my dad really liked it). I thought it was a solid, entertaining film that was a little long. Along with Rocket Man, Booksmart, and Dolemite is My Name, I'd be fine with it getting a BP nomination, but I wouldn't want it to win Best Picture.



Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: Orser67 on December 10, 2019, 12:58:31 PM
For 2017, my favorite film was Thor: Ragnarok. But in terms of Best Picture, I would have given it to Lady Bird. I really liked the first half of Three Billboards, but it fell apart for me in the second half. The Shape of Water was a good movie but I didn't think it deserved to win. My rankings of 2017:

Very good: Lady Bird, The Post, Florida Project, The Big Sick, The Death of Stalin, Blade Runner 2049, Thor Ragnarok

Good: Three Billboards, Logan Lucky, Wind River, Get Out, Darkest Hour, Guardians of the Galaxy 2, Baby Driver, Mudbound, Spider-Man Homecoming, Wonder Woman, The Shape of Water, I Tonya, Mother!, Good Time, The Disaster Artist, Logan, The Meyerowitz Stories, probably a few others

Ok: First Reformed, Phantom Thread, Dunkirk, The Lost City of Z, Columbus

Most disappointing: Last Jedi, Alien Covenant

Worst movie I saw all year: Singularity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singularity_(2017_film))


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on December 11, 2019, 04:45:02 AM
Still haven't seen most of the Best Picture front-runners, but I just saw Marriage Story, and I thought it was really good. I definitely think it's good enough to win BP.

Ford v. Ferrari was the ultimate dad movie (and in fact, my dad really liked it). I thought it was a solid, entertaining film that was a little long. Along with Rocket Man, Booksmart, and Dolemite is My Name, I'd be fine with it getting a BP nomination, but I wouldn't want it to win Best Picture.


As far as Best Picture goes, the movies that can actually win the award at this point are The Irishman, Parasite, Marriage Story and Once Upon A Time In Hollywood, with 1917 being an underdog 5th option and Jojo Rabbit being a long-shot highly unlikely 6th option. There is theoretically a chance for a few movies to go from a 0% chance of winning up to a 5% long-shot chance between now and the Oscars, those movies being Little Women, Joker and The Two Popes. So there are 4 or 5 real contenders and 9 total contenders at this point.

The other movies people mention in regards to Best Picture can only hope for a nomination at best, which is still a big deal in itself. Those movies are Ford V Ferrari, Bombshell, The Farewell, Knives Out, Uncut Gems, A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood, and then again for this category there are 5 or 10 highly unlikely other movies with a 10% chance or less of sneaking in as a suprise nomination.

Out of the 9 actual contenders, I've seen 6, and the one I would recommend most to anybody is Parasite. Totally worth a watch if you get the chance to see it.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: AtorBoltox on December 11, 2019, 07:05:01 AM
I'm surprised The Farewell isn't getting much love this awards season. It seems like the type of movie critics would love. IMO it was better than Marriage Story, which was also very good, and certainly better than Joker


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on December 11, 2019, 07:48:22 AM
I'm surprised The Farewell isn't getting much love this awards season. It seems like the type of movie critics would love. IMO it was better than Marriage Story, which was also very good, and certainly better than Joker
It's doing okay IMO. It got Golden Globes nominations for Foreign Language Film, Actress (Comedy/Musical), and likely would have gotten Screenplay as well if The Golden Globes zplit it into two categories in the same way that the Oscars do.

At the Oscars, it still has a really good shot at Screenplay and Actress, and has small chances at Picture and Supporting Actress. Those last two will likely need a few nominations from other awards in the next 2 months, which is possible.

The direct competitor movies for Best Picture are The Two Popes, Ford V Ferrari and Bombshell. There are between 0 and 2 slots left and The Farewell could realistically beat out those films to get in. Florence Pugh getting snubbed at the Oscars is also good for The Farewell for Best Supporting Actress. Annette Bening and Cathy Bates - at this point - haven't solidified their status in the category and could be bumped out between now and February. Dern is a lock and I don't see Robbie or Lopez getting bumped out.

The SAG nominations coming out in just a few hours are going to give us a better look at the acting categories, which will be interesting.

EDIT - Also a REALLY important point that I missed. The rules of the Golden Globes are that foreign films are not allowed to compete for Best Picture. That's why Parasite didn't get a Best Picture nomination. It's very reasonable to assume that The Farewell would have beaten out Dolemite Is My Name and maybe also Rocketman if it was allowed into the Best Picture category. Therefore, the Golden Globes did not make any sort of an indication whether or not The Farewell is worthy of a Best Picture Oscar nomination. There was no snub here whatsoever, and IMO it's very likely tbat it would have been nominated if the rules were different.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on December 11, 2019, 12:05:10 PM
SCREEN ACTORS GUILD NOMINATIONS.

Akwafina got snubbed for Nyongo and Zhao Shuzhen (as well as Annette Bening and Cathy Bates) didn't get in over Scarlet Johansson and Nicole Kidman. This doesn't help The Farewell. At least it did okay at the Golden Globes.

The Irishman, Parasite and Once Upon A Time In Hollywood got an Ensemble Cast nominations while Marriage Story did not, despite Driver Johansson Dern all being major acting contenders. I'd say this hurts Marriage Story and helps Once Upon A Time In Hollywood in this four-way Best Picture race.

Bale and Edgerton nominated for Actor over Banderas and Pryce. Pugh passed over again for Actress. Foxx over Hopkins for Supporting Actor.



Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: Orser67 on December 11, 2019, 12:59:17 PM
As far as Best Picture goes, the movies that can actually win the award at this point are The Irishman, Parasite, Marriage Story and Once Upon A Time In Hollywood, with 1917 being an underdog 5th option and Jojo Rabbit being a long-shot highly unlikely 6th option. There is theoretically a chance for a few movies to go from a 0% chance of winning up to a 5% long-shot chance between now and the Oscars, those movies being Little Women, Joker and The Two Popes. So there are 4 or 5 real contenders and 9 total contenders at this point.

The other movies people mention in regards to Best Picture can only hope for a nomination at best, which is still a big deal in itself. Those movies are Ford V Ferrari, Bombshell, The Farewell, Knives Out, Uncut Gems, A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood, and then again for this category there are 5 or 10 highly unlikely other movies with a 10% chance or less of sneaking in as a suprise nomination.

Out of the 9 actual contenders, I've seen 6, and the one I would recommend most to anybody is Parasite. Totally worth a watch if you get the chance to see it.

I haven't followed Best Picture closely yet, but based on my understanding from previous years I think that you're probably right in saying that there are 5 movies with an actual chance. I would be really surprised, though, if Parasite or 1917 won based on the fact that foreign language films and war movies (respectively) don't seem to win very often. My guess is that it will come down to the Irishman (peak Scorsese is always a contender), Marriage Story (the kind of film that often wins Oscars), and Once Upon a Time (subject matter + Tarantino being due for a win).


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on December 11, 2019, 03:43:42 PM
SCREEN ACTORS GUILD NOMINATIONS.

Akwafina got snubbed for Nyongo and Zhao Shuzhen (as well as Annette Bening and Cathy Bates) didn't get in over Scarlet Johansson and Nicole Kidman. This doesn't help The Farewell. At least it did okay at the Golden Globes.

The Irishman, Parasite and Once Upon A Time In Hollywood got an Ensemble Cast nominations while Marriage Story did not, despite Driver Johansson Dern all being major acting contenders. I'd say this hurts Marriage Story and helps Once Upon A Time In Hollywood in this four-way Best Picture race.

Bale and Edgerton nominated for Actor over Banderas and Pryce. Pugh passed over again for Actress. Foxx over Hopkins for Supporting Actor.



- Banderas was never going to get nominated here. 

- Bale's nomination is a nice surprise.  IDK if it was deserved or not, but either way, he was great in Ford v Ferrari, so I won't complain about him getting some attention. 

- I haven't seen Rocketman, but folks keep recommending it and while I still worry about it being another Bohemian Rhapsody, I may well end up checking it out. 

- The Two Popes missing out completely, however, is a very bad sign for that film's Oscar prospects although it could still score a Best Actor, Best Supporting Actor, or Best Adapted Screenplay nomination (although even the former is looking more and more like a heavy lift).  It may well have to content itself with a lone Best Adapted Screenplay nomination (which will likely end up annoying me to no end if the movie turns out to be even half as good as it looks)

- Adam Sandler missing out on SAG and especially Globes nominations is not a good sign for his Best Actor prospects.  What may save him, however, is that folks who love Uncut Gems seem to really love it.  As in "it might get enough 1st choice votes to eeek out a surprise BP nomination" love it.  Then again, critics don't vote for Oscars.  And Adam Sandler has [somehow] made a lot of money for a lot of people over the years.  We'll see what happens.  I suspect he would've gotten nominated were there six SAG slots. 

- Finally, we reach a group where Jojo Rabbit will likely do quite well: the Guilds.  From what I've read, industry types seems to love Jojo Rabbit.  Film critics, not so much :P  I still think Jojo Rabbit is very much in the thick of the BP contest, although obviously not the frontrunner, but we'll know more with this film once the Oscar nominations are announced. 

- I gotta say, I'm kinda sad that Ray Liotta (Marriage Story) and Shia LaBouf (Honey Boy) aren't getting much recognition for their respective Oscar-caliber performances this year. 

- Parasite [somehow] getting a Best Ensemble nomination means that T'Chenka was probably right.  Parasite may be a strong contender for a BP win after all.  If Bong Joon-Ho starts consistently winning Best Director from non-critics awards groups, watch out!

- Once Upon a Time...in Hollywood did exactly what it needed to here and was pretty clearly the HFPA (Golden Globes) favorite film.  But then, Globes voters don't vote for Oscars. 

- Jojo Rabbit and Parasite did really well here.  We're probably looking at a tossup between Jojo Rabbit, Once Upon a Time...in Hollywood, Parasite, and The Irishman.  I absolutely loved Marriage Story (honestly, it's a perfect movie; I don't even know what nitpick I could make much less actual substantive criticism) and expect it to both win some major awards and get tons of nominations, but for some reason I can't shake the feeling that it's a bit of a longshot to take home the big prize.  We'll see what happens on nomination day.  A best director nomination for Noah Baumbach would be a really good sign for its chances.

- Clearly, the industry is not responding to Little Women at all though.  The Globes were one thing, but that SAG shutout...yikes.  I'm not exactly complaining, mind you, but still...you'd think actors would be this film's base.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on December 11, 2019, 04:07:59 PM
I haven't followed Best Picture closely yet, but based on my understanding from previous years I think that you're probably right in saying that there are 5 movies with an actual chance. I would be really surprised, though, if Parasite or 1917 won based on the fact that foreign language films and war movies (respectively) don't seem to win very often. My guess is that it will come down to the Irishman (peak Scorsese is always a contender), Marriage Story (the kind of film that often wins Oscars), and Once Upon a Time (subject matter + Tarantino being due for a win).

Tarantino has two Oscars (one more than Scorsese) and even his fans admit that OUATIH is his weakest film.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on December 11, 2019, 06:59:46 PM
I haven't followed Best Picture closely yet, but based on my understanding from previous years I think that you're probably right in saying that there are 5 movies with an actual chance. I would be really surprised, though, if Parasite or 1917 won based on the fact that foreign language films and war movies (respectively) don't seem to win very often. My guess is that it will come down to the Irishman (peak Scorsese is always a contender), Marriage Story (the kind of film that often wins Oscars), and Once Upon a Time (subject matter + Tarantino being due for a win).

Tarantino has two Oscars (one more than Scorsese) and even his fans admit that OUATIH is his weakest film.
Many fans think it's his best film...


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on December 11, 2019, 07:46:49 PM
I finally saw 'Marriage Story' in its entirety. It really was superb.

It kind of made me depressed though because it really reminded me of my parents' divorce; which became final just this year, right down to one of my parents wanting to settle the divorce outside of using lawyers, and the other going through with getting a lawyer anyway. Thankfully, as messy as it was, their's wasn't as complicated as Charlie and Nicole's. There was no custody issue, for one thing. And unlike the kid in this movie, I took, and am still taking, my parents' divorce very poorly. And that's as an adult too!

 I guess that's one of the movie's strengths though-how relatable it is. It was apparently inspired by Noah Baumbach's own divorce, and as such it really is a story that can resonate with anyone who has been through family issues like this. Our main characters are very realistic, neither of them are perfect but neither of them are bad people either. They're just people. That goes for the very nuanced situations in the divorce too. There will always be awkwardness, there will always be heartbreak, there will always be humor. All of that was here in spades.

 Unlike another Baumbach film, 'The Squid and the Whale,' which was supposedly inspired by his parents' divorce, you don't really root for one person over the other (in that film, the dad ends up being much less sympathetic than the mom). By that notion this film is superior to that one, which I also liked though. There is the added benefit of this film not having the creepy-ass younger brother character from 'The Squid and the Whale,' I will say. Baumbach seems to really like to focus on themes of family conflict in his films, and he's great at portraying them. That even goes for 'The Meyerowitz Stories,' which is another of his films that I would recommend.

I would agree with T'Chenka that it is like a better, updated 'Kramer vs. Kramer.' That's not to take anything away from that movie, it was ahead of its time, and deserves its place as a classic. It's just that 'Marriage Story' is better at balancing its focus on both the dad and mom, and is more contemporary and potentially even timeless.

Scarlett Johansson is an actress who I always thought was great, but never really blew me away with one of her performances until this one! This is her best performance ever. Same with Adam Driver. Both are great in different ways though-Johansson gets a lot of individual moments where she shines, but Driver shines in his interactions with other characters. Needless to say the explosive scene at the apartment features both of those strengths coming together. That entire scene almost felt like it could be its own excellent one act play. Both really ought to be nominated for whatever awards possible.

The supporting characters are all great too. Especially all of the lawyers. Alan Alda was just adorable and Laura Dern was extremely charismatic. I was very surprised to see Ray Liotta make an appearance. I haven't seen him in a recent movie in awhile, and it was nice to see him not playing him typecast as the usual cop or gangster for once.

So yeah, this is definitely one of the best films of the year, and the best that I have seen so far (if we don't count 'Invader Zim: Enter the Florpus'). I found few to no flaws with it. I mean okay, maybe the Steven Sondheim songs could have been cut out, but whatever. They didn't bother me or disrupt the film's pacing too much.

And one last thing: did anyone else think that the boy who played Henry was a dead-ringer for the actor who played Danny Torrance in 'The Shining?' He looked exactly like him! It was almost off-putting! I kept expecting him to talk to his finger.

Also Bob Fossil from 'The Mighty Boosh' playing the judge was kind of distracting.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: Orser67 on December 11, 2019, 10:02:57 PM
I haven't followed Best Picture closely yet, but based on my understanding from previous years I think that you're probably right in saying that there are 5 movies with an actual chance. I would be really surprised, though, if Parasite or 1917 won based on the fact that foreign language films and war movies (respectively) don't seem to win very often. My guess is that it will come down to the Irishman (peak Scorsese is always a contender), Marriage Story (the kind of film that often wins Oscars), and Once Upon a Time (subject matter + Tarantino being due for a win).

Tarantino has two Oscars (one more than Scorsese) and even his fans admit that OUATIH is his weakest film.

Yeah, I should have been more specific. He's won two Oscars, but they were both for screenwriting. He's never won Best Director (despite two nominations) and a Tarantino film has never won Best Picture (despite three nominations).


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on December 12, 2019, 12:29:26 AM
As far as Best Picture goes, the movies that can actually win the award at this point are The Irishman, Parasite, Marriage Story and Once Upon A Time In Hollywood, with 1917 being an underdog 5th option and Jojo Rabbit being a long-shot highly unlikely 6th option. There is theoretically a chance for a few movies to go from a 0% chance of winning up to a 5% long-shot chance between now and the Oscars, those movies being Little Women, Joker and The Two Popes. So there are 4 or 5 real contenders and 9 total contenders at this point.

The other movies people mention in regards to Best Picture can only hope for a nomination at best, which is still a big deal in itself. Those movies are Ford V Ferrari, Bombshell, The Farewell, Knives Out, Uncut Gems, A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood, and then again for this category there are 5 or 10 highly unlikely other movies with a 10% chance or less of sneaking in as a suprise nomination.

Out of the 9 actual contenders, I've seen 6, and the one I would recommend most to anybody is Parasite. Totally worth a watch if you get the chance to see it.

I haven't followed Best Picture closely yet, but based on my understanding from previous years I think that you're probably right in saying that there are 5 movies with an actual chance. I would be really surprised, though, if Parasite or 1917 won based on the fact that foreign language films and war movies (respectively) don't seem to win very often. My guess is that it will come down to the Irishman (peak Scorsese is always a contender), Marriage Story (the kind of film that often wins Oscars), and Once Upon a Time (subject matter + Tarantino being due for a win).
This is probably my bias, but I think Parasite might win. Roma almost won last year, which was foreign and Netflix and slow and artsy, four potential downfalls. Parasite is foreign, but not only is it NOT Netflix, but it's actually competing against Netflix. It's also not slow and not "artsy" in the way that might turn some people off, even though it's extremely well made. People who want to see justice for Roma, people that don't respect Netflix and people who dislike slow artsy stuff might all come out this year for Parasite.

Also keep in mind that The Irishman Once Upon A Time In Hollywood are long films that some might feel are slow, and Marriage Story is a mildly artsy drama. If you can get past the foreign language aspect, Parasite is arguably the most accessible (mainstream friendly) film, the fastest-paced and best film overall out of the top 4 of Irishman, Marriage Story, Hollywood, Parasite. I think it's also (slightly) better than Roma or ay least equal, and much more accessible.

Hollywood is full of liberals trying to be progressive and inclusive, as we all know. What better time to show it than to choose an Asian culture film? I just this second realizef how incredibly white Irishman, Marriage Story and Hollywood are. Don't Hollywood libs like to pat themselves on the back for supporting minorities? Here's their chance.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on December 12, 2019, 02:09:59 AM
I haven't followed Best Picture closely yet, but based on my understanding from previous years I think that you're probably right in saying that there are 5 movies with an actual chance. I would be really surprised, though, if Parasite or 1917 won based on the fact that foreign language films and war movies (respectively) don't seem to win very often. My guess is that it will come down to the Irishman (peak Scorsese is always a contender), Marriage Story (the kind of film that often wins Oscars), and Once Upon a Time (subject matter + Tarantino being due for a win).

Tarantino has two Oscars (one more than Scorsese) and even his fans admit that OUATIH is his weakest film.
Many fans think it's his best film...

Honestly, I haven't heard/read anyone say that. There are many people who love it but even they don't think it's his best effort.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on December 13, 2019, 04:28:31 PM
As far as Best Picture goes, the movies that can actually win the award at this point are The Irishman, Parasite, Marriage Story and Once Upon A Time In Hollywood, with 1917 being an underdog 5th option and Jojo Rabbit being a long-shot highly unlikely 6th option. There is theoretically a chance for a few movies to go from a 0% chance of winning up to a 5% long-shot chance between now and the Oscars, those movies being Little Women, Joker and The Two Popes. So there are 4 or 5 real contenders and 9 total contenders at this point.

The other movies people mention in regards to Best Picture can only hope for a nomination at best, which is still a big deal in itself. Those movies are Ford V Ferrari, Bombshell, The Farewell, Knives Out, Uncut Gems, A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood, and then again for this category there are 5 or 10 highly unlikely other movies with a 10% chance or less of sneaking in as a suprise nomination.

Out of the 9 actual contenders, I've seen 6, and the one I would recommend most to anybody is Parasite. Totally worth a watch if you get the chance to see it.

I haven't followed Best Picture closely yet, but based on my understanding from previous years I think that you're probably right in saying that there are 5 movies with an actual chance. I would be really surprised, though, if Parasite or 1917 won based on the fact that foreign language films and war movies (respectively) don't seem to win very often. My guess is that it will come down to the Irishman (peak Scorsese is always a contender), Marriage Story (the kind of film that often wins Oscars), and Once Upon a Time (subject matter + Tarantino being due for a win).
This is probably my bias, but I think Parasite might win. Roma almost won last year, which was foreign and Netflix and slow and artsy, four potential downfalls. Parasite is foreign, but not only is it NOT Netflix, but it's actually competing against Netflix. It's also not slow and not "artsy" in the way that might turn some people off, even though it's extremely well made. People who want to see justice for Roma, people that don't respect Netflix and people who dislike slow artsy stuff might all come out this year for Parasite.

Also keep in mind that The Irishman Once Upon A Time In Hollywood are long films that some might feel are slow, and Marriage Story is a mildly artsy drama. If you can get past the foreign language aspect, Parasite is arguably the most accessible (mainstream friendly) film, the fastest-paced and best film overall out of the top 4 of Irishman, Marriage Story, Hollywood, Parasite. I think it's also (slightly) better than Roma or ay least equal, and much more accessible.

Hollywood is full of liberals trying to be progressive and inclusive, as we all know. What better time to show it than to choose an Asian culture film? I just this second realizef how incredibly white Irishman, Marriage Story and Hollywood are. Don't Hollywood libs like to pat themselves on the back for supporting minorities? Here's their chance.

The thing with Roma that I think hurt it more than anything tbh is that it (at least imo) does not play well on the TV.  Like, it's a slow film and I come at it as someone who didn't see what all the hubbub was about (aside from the Cinematography which totally deserved an Oscar), but I feel like the issues I had with the film were almost all far more pronounced b/c I saw it on TV rather than in a theater.  OTOH, like Green Book last year, all five of this year's frontrunners will play very well on screener (especially The Irishman since you can take breaks which is probably the best way to watch it). 

To your point in the last paragraph, I mean, they do like to pat themselves on the back for supporting minorities in superficial ways.  I'm sure the industry's immediate narrative if Parasite would be some cringey-as-hell version of "We did it!  We just struck a huge blow against Trump's xenophobic policies by giving an award to an Asian people movie; no need for applause, this sort of enlightenment just comes naturally."

At the same time, though, they also really like movies about Hollywood and they really like movies set during WWII.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on December 17, 2019, 12:04:34 AM
9 Academy Awards Short-Lists Revealed
9 of the 16 "below the line" (minor) categories now have short-lists.
0 of the 8 "above the line" (major) categories have short-lists out.


BEST INTERNATIONAL FEATURE
Parasite (South Korea)
Pain & Glory (Spain)
Les Miserables (France)
Atlantics (Senegal) (netflix)
Honeyland (North Macedonia)
Beanpole (Russua)
Corpus Christi (Poland)
The Painted Bird (Czech Republic)
Those Who Remained (Hungary)
Truth And Justice (Estonia)
SNUBS - Monos (Colombia) is a big snub, should have made the short-list.
SNUBS - France snubbed Portrait Of A Lady On Fire by submitting Les Miserables instead.
SNUBS - And Then We Danced (Sweden)
SNUBS - The Invisible Life Of Euridice Gusmao (Brazil)


BEST DOCUMENTARY FEATURE
American Factory (netflix)
Apollo 11
One Child Nation
The Cave
For Sama
Honeyland
Maiden
The Biggest Little Farm
Knock Down The House (netflix)
The Great Hack (netflix)
The Edge Of Democracy
Aquarela
Midnight Family
Advocate
The Apollo
SNUBS - Varda By Agnes
SNUBS - I thought "Hail Satan?" would make the short-list.


BEST VISUAL EFFECTS
The Irishman
1917
The Lion King
Cats
Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker
Gemini Man
Avengers: Endgame
Alita: Battle Angel
Captain Marvel
Terminator: Dark Fate
SNUBS - Ad Astra is a MASSIVE snub. WOW. Unbelievable.
SNUBS - Ford V Ferrari
SNUBS - The Aeronauts
SNUBS - Spider-Man: Far From Home


BEST MAKEUP & HAIRSTYLING
Bombshell
Joker
Dolemite Is My Name
Judy
Little Women
Downton Abbey
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Rocketman
Maleficent: Mistress Of Evil
1917
SNUBS - Nothing comes to mind.


MUSIC - BEST SCORE
Marriage Story
Joker
1917
Little Women
Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker
Motherless Brooklyn
Us
Jojo Rabbit
Avengers: Endgame
Ford V Ferrari
The Farewell
Pain & Glory
Bombshell
Frozen II
The King
SNUBS - Parasite
SNUBS - Uncut Gems
SNUBS - Waves


MUSIC - BEST SONG
Harriet - "Stand Up"
Frozen II - "Into The Unknown"
Rocketman - "(I'm Gonna) Love Me Again"
The Lion King - "Spirit"
Aladdin - "Speechless"
Wild Rose - "Glasgow"
Breakthrough - "I'm Standing With You"
Motherless Brooklyn - "Daily Battles"
Toy Story 4 - "I Can't Let You Throw Yourself Away
The LEGO Movie 2 - "Catchy Song"
The Lion King - "Never Too Late"
Parasite - "A Glass Of Soju"
The Black Godfather - "Letter To My Godfather"
The Bronx USA - "Da Bronx"
Joni Morrison: The Pieces That I Am - "High Above The Water"
SNUBS - A pretty big snub would be Cats - "Beautiful Ghosts"


LIVE ACTION SHORT FILM
I don't really care about the 3 short film categories. Information can be found below.
https://oscars.org/oscars/92nd-oscars-shortlists (https://oscars.org/oscars/92nd-oscars-shortlists)



ANIMATED SHORT FILM
I don't really care about the 3 short film categories. Information can be found below.
https://oscars.org/oscars/92nd-oscars-shortlists (https://oscars.org/oscars/92nd-oscars-shortlists)



DOCUMENTARY SHORT SUBJECT
I don't really care about the 3 short film categories. Information can be found below.
https://oscars.org/oscars/92nd-oscars-shortlists (https://oscars.org/oscars/92nd-oscars-shortlists)


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: SingingAnalyst on December 17, 2019, 04:45:52 AM
Favorite films: Titanic (1997), Apollo 13 (1995)
Best character development ever: Searching for Bobby Fischer (1993). Everything, down to every little detail, was spot-on.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on December 20, 2019, 12:22:11 AM
The official trailer for Tenet came out today, Christopher Nolan's new film that comes out in July, starring John David Washington. What an absolute MIND-F__K.

If you're the kind of person that watches movie trailers, this is a must-watch trailer.  The trailer doesn't give away exactly what's going on, but you get a bit of an idea. This is Inception-level mind-f__kery going on here. Based on that trailer, this has the potential to be the best film of 2020. Not sure on how likely it is to reach that potential, but the potential is there IMO. Future classic film? Let the hype begin.

The cast includes Robert Pattinson, Elizabeth Debecki. Kenneth Branagh, Michael Caine, Aaron Taylor-Johnson and Himesh Patel. Ludwig Goransson does the score, which is in the trailer. He won an Oscar for Best Original Score for Black Panther.

TENET Official Trailer
https://youtu.be/LdOM0x0XDMo


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on December 23, 2019, 10:20:39 AM
I just saw a few movies:

1) Her Smell - Great, vanity-free, Oscar-worthy lead performance by a manic Elisabeth Moss as an incredibly unlikable punk rock singer...but in a very meh movie.  I give it a C.
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2) Bombshell - Man, what an awful movie.  And they made up false instances of sexual harassment and sexual assault by Ailes.  Like, why do that?  Even if you were dead set on having Margot Robbie in the movie for some reason, you could’ve at least began the film with a disclaimer saying “some of this is true.”  Or have her play one of the less well-known victims of Ailes in a flashback, Idk.  Ideally, her whole character could’ve been cut from the movie.  

I usually give movies a lot of leeway about fictionalizing certain (or even most) elements of true stories as long as they capture the spirit of the truth, but there are some things where you can’t just make stuff up even if you capture the spirit of the truth (which tbf Robbie’s character’s storyline did) and depicting someone committing sex crimes is one of them...even if said person really was a sex predator.  

The Loudest Voice may’ve been - aside from Russell Crowe’s suburb performance as Ailes - a dull, poorly-written, superficial miniseries, but at least it tried to stick to the facts.  Bombshell didn’t even try and it was still a boring, poorly written film with no interest in going beyond the most superficial surface level.  In any case, Robbie’s character didn’t even exist, much less get sexually assaulted or harassed by Ailes.  I know Ailes did the things he does to her character to a number of women, but making up a character who really just exists to be a naive idealist who becomes a victim...it really bothered me.  Maybe I’m getting too hung up on this and it doesn’t matter b/c Ailes did do this stuff to other people, idk.  Either way, it was still a boring and very by-the-numbers movie.

Tbh, Bombshell really should’ve focused on Gretchen Carlson who was actually...you know...sexually harassed by Ailes and was certainly the real hero of this scandal.  Margot Robbie’s character and Kate McKinnon’s secretly Hillary supporting lesbian [see, audience, even Fox employees are really liberals deep down ::) ) didn’t exist irl.  

For that matter - unlike Carlson - Megyn Kelly didn’t come forward until it was clear that Ailes was going down no matter what and she was a pretty horrible person even compared to Carlson.  I’m not sure why they tried to shoehorn her into this as some sort of hero nor did I think Theron even gave that good a performance, but whatever.

I mean, this movie was just plain dull.  The only good things were Nicole Kidman and John Lithgow’s (stealing every scene he was in as Ailes) excellent performances, the makeup (good prosthetics on Lithgow and Theron looked just like Kelly), the bit about Hannity and O’Reilly’s rivalry, some genuinely funny lines mocking O’Reilly’s use of a vibrator (yes, that actually happened and raises so many questions), and the bit of the film’s score used for the brief elevator scene which inexplicably constituted the film’s entire theatrical trailer.  

Anyway, Bombshell barely gets a C- b/c of Lithgow and Kidman’s performances, otherwise I’d have given it a D.  It’s just a boring, generic, dull movie.
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3) Uncut Gems - This film was amazing.  Loved every minute of it!  The film has this chaotic, propulsive, violent, hyper-active energy that grabs you and then never lets go.  It’s probably the most immersive film I’ve seen since Hereditary.  Uncut Gems also excels as both a crime film and a character study of a degenerate, deeply unsympathetic gambling addict.  

It is superbly edited and directed, but the real MVP is Adam Sandler.  He just completely disappears into the character and delivers such a raw, powerful, nuanced, vanity-free performance that you never for a second remember you’re watching Adam Sandler.  For the duration of the movie, there is no Adam Sandler, only Howard Rattner.  I always thought Sandler could give a solid dramatic performance in a supporting part as hammy [inks]hole villain if he were so inclined (something like a white version of Tuco Salamanca’s character from Breaking Bad), but this...wow.  I mean, I just didn’t think Sandler had it in him.  Uncut Gems also features good supporting performances by Julie Fox (Howard Ratner’s girlfriend), Eric Bogosian (a loanshark), and Kevin Garnett (as himself in a non-cameo role...apparently the dude can act)

The script is excellent and contains tons of great twists (you’ll want to go into this one as close to blind as possible).  It always keeps you on the edge of your seat and everything just feels so realistic.  You can well that a lot of careful research went into every aspect of this movie.

I suspect that Uncut Gems will do well (relatively speaking) with nominations b/c while it’s very much not an academy movie, those who like it will absolutely love it.  BP and Best Director are probably not in the cards, but I think it has a solid shot at nominations for editing, Best Actor, and quite possibly original screenplay and maybe even cinematography.  I suppose an upset BP nom is possible, but I doubt it.  A Best Director nomination is too heavy a lift imo (that’ll be Scorsese, Tarantino, Bong Joon-Ho, Mendes, and one of Waititi, Baumbach, or *maybe* Phillips).  

Not gonna lie, if he gets nominated then Sandler has a real shot at winning Best Actor imo.  The only danger sign is that he got snubbed by the SAG since they use the same preferential voting system as the OSCARs.  I think Bale edging Sandler out was a fluke, but we’ll see.   

I give it an A+ and highly recommend seeing it, ideally in theaters since watching this one really is an experience that will be amplified by seeing it that way.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: SingingAnalyst on December 23, 2019, 10:37:16 AM
Knives Out! was a great movie. Mysteries are not all that common a genre, and this one was suberbly executed. I for one did not see the details coming.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on December 23, 2019, 02:04:00 PM
I just saw a few movies:

1) Her Smell - Great, vanity-free, Oscar-worthy lead performance by a manic Elisabeth Moss as an incredibly unlikable punk rock singer...but in a very meh movie.  I give it a C.
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2) Bombshell - Man, what an awful movie.  And they made up false instances of sexual harassment and sexual assault by Ailes.  Like, why do that?  Even if you were dead set on having Margot Robbie in the movie for some reason, you could’ve at least began the film with a disclaimer saying “some of this is true.”  Or have her play one of the less well-known victims of Ailes in a flashback, Idk.  Ideally, her whole character could’ve been cut from the movie.  

I usually give movies a lot of leeway about fictionalizing certain (or even most) elements of true stories as long as they capture the spirit of the truth, but there are some things where you can’t just make stuff up even if you capture the spirit of the truth (which tbf Robbie’s character’s storyline did) and depicting someone committing sex crimes is one of them...even if said person really was a sex predator.  

The Loudest Voice may’ve been - aside from Russell Crowe’s suburb performance as Ailes - a dull, poorly-written, superficial miniseries, but at least it tried to stick to the facts.  Bombshell didn’t even try and it was still a boring, poorly written film with no interest in going beyond the most superficial surface level.  In any case, Robbie’s character didn’t even exist, much less get sexually assaulted or harassed by Ailes.  I know Ailes did the things he does to her character to a number of women, but making up a character who really just exists to be a naive idealist who becomes a victim...it really bothered me.  Maybe I’m getting too hung up on this and it doesn’t matter b/c Ailes did do this stuff to other people, idk.  Either way, it was still a boring and very by-the-numbers movie.

Tbh, Bombshell really should’ve focused on Gretchen Carlson who was actually...you know...sexually harassed by Ailes and was certainly the real hero of this scandal.  Margot Robbie’s character and Kate McKinnon’s secretly Hillary supporting lesbian [see, audience, even Fox employees are really liberals deep down ::) ) didn’t exist irl.  

For that matter - unlike Carlson - Megyn Kelly didn’t come forward until it was clear that Ailes was going down no matter what and she was a pretty horrible person even compared to Carlson.  I’m not sure why they tried to shoehorn her into this as some sort of hero nor did I think Theron even gave that good a performance, but whatever.

I mean, this movie was just plain dull.  The only good things were Nicole Kidman and John Lithgow’s (stealing every scene he was in as Ailes) excellent performances, the makeup (good prosthetics on Lithgow and Theron looked just like Kelly), the bit about Hannity and O’Reilly’s rivalry, some genuinely funny lines mocking O’Reilly’s use of a vibrator (yes, that actually happened and raises so many questions), and the bit of the film’s score used for the brief elevator scene which inexplicably constituted the film’s entire theatrical trailer.  

Anyway, Bombshell barely gets a C- b/c of Lithgow and Kidman’s performances, otherwise I’d have given it a D.  It’s just a boring, generic, dull movie.
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3) Uncut Gems - This film was amazing.  Loved every minute of it!  The film has this chaotic, propulsive, violent, hyper-active energy that grabs you and then never lets go.  It’s probably the most immersive film I’ve seen since Hereditary.  Uncut Gems also excels as both a crime film and a character study of a degenerate, deeply unsympathetic gambling addict.  

It is superbly edited and directed, but the real MVP is Adam Sandler.  He just completely disappears into the character and delivers such a raw, powerful, nuanced, vanity-free performance that you never for a second remember you’re watching Adam Sandler.  For the duration of the movie, there is no Adam Sandler, only Howard Rattner.  I always thought Sandler could give a solid dramatic performance in a supporting part as hammy [inks]hole villain if he were so inclined (something like a white version of Tuco Salamanca’s character from Breaking Bad), but this...wow.  I mean, I just didn’t think Sandler had it in him.  Uncut Gems also features good supporting performances by Julie Fox (Howard Ratner’s girlfriend), Eric Bogosian (a loanshark), and Kevin Garnett (as himself in a non-cameo role...apparently the dude can act)

The script is excellent and contains tons of great twists (you’ll want to go into this one as close to blind as possible).  It always keeps you on the edge of your seat and everything just feels so realistic.  You can well that a lot of careful research went into every aspect of this movie.

I suspect that Uncut Gems will do well (relatively speaking) with nominations b/c while it’s very much not an academy movie, those who like it will absolutely love it.  BP and Best Director are probably not in the cards, but I think it has a solid shot at nominations for editing, Best Actor, and quite possibly original screenplay and maybe even cinematography.  I suppose an upset BP nom is possible, but I doubt it.  A Best Director nomination is too heavy a lift imo (that’ll be Scorsese, Tarantino, Bong Joon-Ho, Mendes, and one of Waititi, Baumbach, or *maybe* Phillips).  

Not gonna lie, if he gets nominated then Sandler has a real shot at winning Best Actor imo.  The only danger sign is that he got snubbed by the SAG since they use the same preferential voting system as the OSCARs.  I think Bale edging Sandler out was a fluke, but we’ll see.  

I give it an A+ and highly recommend seeing it, ideally in theaters since watching this one really is an experience that will be amplified by seeing it that way.
From what I've read, every country outside of the USA is getting Uncut Gems on Netflix on January 31st. Can't wait. Going to see Bombshell tonight and trying to keep my expectations relatively low.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on December 23, 2019, 02:25:43 PM
THE TWO POPES (no spoilers)

This was a nice film, well made and intimate, about two polar opposites in the Vatican spending time together. You learn a lot about Pope Francis, and you get to know how Pope Benefict was in his 80s. The cinematograghy is excellent and the acting is pretty good. I loved all the politics: Benedict thinks the church needs to stay conservative and Francis believes in a liberal church. This is definitely a "slow character drama", which will completely tirn some people off, but it's good.

WEAK POINTS
- "Excitement level", feeling the plot progress

DESERVES A LOT OF PRAISE
- Cinematograohy was delicious
- Pryce and Hopkins both act very well in this
- Church political discussion was great

FINAL SCORE
B plus

OSCAR TALK
VERY good chance at Best Adapted Screenlay. This may sneak into Best Pictue.. Pryce (Actor) and Hopkins (Supporting Actor) are going to either just sneak into nominations or just miss out. There isn't much talk about Best Cinematography, but there should be IMO.





RICHARD JEWELL (no spoilers)

This was a good drama. There isn't much to praise but there isn't much to criticize. Hauser, Rockwell and especially Kathy Bates were pretty good in this. Hamm and Wilde were forgettable.

OKAY BUT ONLY OKAY
- Side characters (script, acting)

DESERVE PRAISE
- Kathy Bates, Sam Rockwell, Paul Walter Hauser

FINAL SCORE
B

OSCAR TALK
Not much. Kathy Bates has some chance to get a Best Supporting Actress nomination. Rockwell could on a longshot get into Best Supporting Actor because the Academy loves him (see: Vice Rockwell nomination last year over over Beautiful Boy Chalamet).


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on December 23, 2019, 04:19:32 PM
THE TWO POPES (no spoilers)

This was a nice film, well made and intimate, about two polar opposites in the Vatican spending time together. You learn a lot about Pope Francis, and you get to know how Pope Benefict was in his 80s. The cinematograghy is excellent and the acting is pretty good. I loved all the politics: Benedict thinks the church needs to stay conservative and Francis believes in a liberal church. This is definitely a "slow character drama", which will completely tirn some people off, but it's good.

WEAK POINTS
- "Excitement level", feeling the plot progress

DESERVES A LOT OF PRAISE
- Cinematograohy was delicious
- Pryce and Hopkins both act very well in this
- Church political discussion was great

FINAL SCORE
B plus

OSCAR TALK
This may sneak into Best Picture and/or Best Original Screenplay. Pryce (Actor) and Hopkins (Supporting Actor) are going to either just sneak into nominations or just miss out. There isn't much talk about Best Cinematography, but there should be IMO.





RICHARD JEWELL (no spoilers)

This was a good drama. There isn't much to praise but there isn't much to criticize. Hauser, Rockwell and especially Kathy Bates were pretty good in this. Hamm and Wilde were forgettable.

OKAY BUT ONLY OKAY
- Side characters (script, acting)

DESERVE PRAISE
- Kathy Bates, Sam Rockwell, Paul Walter Hauser

FINAL SCORE
B

OSCAR TALK
Not much. Kathy Bates has some chance to get a Best Supporting Actress nomination. Rockwell could on a longshot get into Best Supporting Actor because the Academy loves him (see: Vice Rockwell nomination last year over over Beautiful Boy Chalamet).

Small nitpick: The Two Popes is adapted from a play, it’s not an original screenplay.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on December 23, 2019, 05:22:39 PM
THE TWO POPES (no spoilers)

This was a nice film, well made and intimate, about two polar opposites in the Vatican spending time together. You learn a lot about Pope Francis, and you get to know how Pope Benefict was in his 80s. The cinematograghy is excellent and the acting is pretty good. I loved all the politics: Benedict thinks the church needs to stay conservative and Francis believes in a liberal church. This is definitely a "slow character drama", which will completely tirn some people off, but it's good.

WEAK POINTS
- "Excitement level", feeling the plot progress

DESERVES A LOT OF PRAISE
- Cinematograohy was delicious
- Pryce and Hopkins both act very well in this
- Church political discussion was great

FINAL SCORE
B plus

OSCAR TALK
VERY good chance at Best Adapted Screenlay. This may sneak into Best Pictue.. Pryce (Actor) and Hopkins (Supporting Actor) are going to either just sneak into nominations or just miss out. There isn't much talk about Best Cinematography, but there should be IMO.





RICHARD JEWELL (no spoilers)

This was a good drama. There isn't much to praise but there isn't much to criticize. Hauser, Rockwell and especially Kathy Bates were pretty good in this. Hamm and Wilde were forgettable.

OKAY BUT ONLY OKAY
- Side characters (script, acting)

DESERVE PRAISE
- Kathy Bates, Sam Rockwell, Paul Walter Hauser

FINAL SCORE
B

OSCAR TALK
Not much. Kathy Bates has some chance to get a Best Supporting Actress nomination. Rockwell could on a longshot get into Best Supporting Actor because the Academy loves him (see: Vice Rockwell nomination last year over over Beautiful Boy Chalamet).

Small nitpick: The Two Popes is adapted from a play, it’s not an original screenplay.
Oops! Golden Globes messed my head up.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on December 24, 2019, 04:09:17 AM
BOMBSHELL (no spoilers)

This is more or less the Vice of 2019. True fact-based political drama with a great cast and great makeup that has great potential and doesn't quite live up to the hype due to the script. This movie was a real mixed bag, but it's absolutely worth a watch and I would recommend it if the concept / story / trailer have you interested.

CRITICISMS
- The script has issues. Some scenes and messages were home runs, some didn't work as well as they should have, and the third act didn't hold even close to the gravity that it should have
- The movie adressed a lot of issues very clearly, but didn't seem to have a clear message on about solving these problems noving forward. The film tried to criticize post-Ailes Fox as well, but didn't do a good enough clear enough job making it's case

DESERVES PRAISE
- The make-up was GREAT. There was one scene with Bill O'Reilly that looked off, and you only notice how they changed Kidman from certain angles in certain scenes. Theron and Lithgow were INCREDIBLE though.
- Charlize Theron gives a top 10 lead actress performance for 2019, maybe top 5.
- Margot Robbie was better than I expected. I always underrate her but she keeps proving me wrong.
- Lithgow and Kidman were good. Didn't blow me away but I have no criticisms.
- A few scenes and moments here and there were great, like scenes out of a Best Picture front-runner quality

FINAL SCORE
B plus (maybe just a B)

OSCAR TALK
This is the front-runner for Best Hairstyling And Makeup. Charlize Theron is a lock for a Best Actress nomination and an underdog to win. Robbie has a pretty good chance for a Best Supporting Actress nomination. Bombshell is in the top 11 or top 12 for Best Picture, but probably not one of the 8 or 9 (or 10) nominees. Lithgow is a longshot for Best Supporting Actor.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: Orser67 on December 25, 2019, 02:26:14 AM
I saw The Irishman last week. I thought it was a really good movie, and I really liked how Scorsese sort of counter-glamorized mob films (and went over some fairly accurate political history!) even while he made a classic Scorsese film.

But I would also say that it wasn't quite as good as Goodfellas, and it was obviously very, very long. Without the need to give Scorsese an Oscar (given his Best Picture and Best Director win for Departed) I'm skeptical that it will win BP (though it will almost certainly be nominated). In my intuition-driven (i.e. probably worthless) opinion, I'm now gonna say that Marriage Story and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood (which I still haven't seen) are the co-frontrunners, though I do acknowledge T'Chenka's persuasive argument regarding Parasite.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on December 25, 2019, 03:27:10 AM
I saw The Irishman last week. I thought it was a really good movie, and I really liked how Scorsese sort of counter-glamorized mob films (and went over some fairly accurate political history!) even while he made a classic Scorsese film.

But I would also say that it wasn't quite as good as Goodfellas, and it was obviously very, very long. Without the need to give Scorsese an Oscar (given his Best Picture and Best Director win for Departed) I'm skeptical that it will win BP (though it will almost certainly be nominated).
I like The Irishman, but my personal preferences to win Best Picture are:

COULD ACTUALLY WIN
1 - Parasite
2 - Marruage Story
3 - Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
4/5 - The Irishman
4/5 - 1917  ---  (haven't seen yet)

OUT OF NOWHERE SHOCK WINNER
6/7- Jojo Rabbit
7/8 - Joker
6/7/8 - Little Women  ---  (haven't seen yet)

NO REAL SHOT TO WIN
9 - The Two Popes
10 - Bombshell
11 - Ford V Ferrari

In my intuition-driven (i.e. probably worthless) opinion, I'm now gonna say that Marriage Story and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood (which I still haven't seen) are the co-frontrunners, though I do acknowledge T'Chenka's persuasive argument regarding Parasite.
Based on all the awards nominations and actual awards that happen at this time of year, big and small, things are always in a state of flux from week to week. The most influential things remaining before the Oscars are the Golden Globes, the SAG Awards, and both nominations and awards for the BAFTAs and PGAs.

Based on what the experts and armchair "experts" are all saying this week, The Irishman (#1), Parasite (#2) and Once Upon A Time In Hollywood (#3) are the three front-runners right now. The Irishman is very very slowly trending downwards and Parasite is very very slowly trending upwards. Hollywood probably won't rise any higher, so it will only "move up" by Irishman or Parasite dropping down.

Marriage Story was in the top 4 as a front-runner as early as 2 weeks ago, but suprisingly it has basically fallen out of "front-runner" status and dropped to a second tier as #4, still above 1917 at #5 and still way above the third tier (Jojo Rabbit, Joker), fourth tier (Little Women) and fifth tier (Ford V Ferrari, The Two Popes, Bombshell). The main reason for this is that it keeps getting snubbed for Best Director nominations, which are going to Joker and Little Women instead.



Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: Orser67 on December 25, 2019, 03:58:51 AM
Marriage Story was in the top 4 as a front-runner as early as 2 weeks ago, but suprisingly it has basically fallen out of "front-runner" status and dropped to a second tier as #4, still above 1917 at #5 and still way above the third tier (Jojo Rabbit, Joker), fourth tier (Little Women) and fifth tier (Ford V Ferrari, The Two Popes, Bombshell). The main reason for this is that it keeps getting snubbed for Best Director nominations, which are going to Joker and Little Women instead.

Fair point, and TIL that Crash was the most recent film to win BP without being nominated for Best Director at the Golden Globes. On the other hand, I remember a few years ago Argo surprised a lot of people by winning Best Picture even though Affleck wasn't nominated for Best Director at the Academy Awards.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on December 26, 2019, 03:41:24 AM
Marriage Story was in the top 4 as a front-runner as early as 2 weeks ago, but suprisingly it has basically fallen out of "front-runner" status and dropped to a second tier as #4, still above 1917 at #5 and still way above the third tier (Jojo Rabbit, Joker), fourth tier (Little Women) and fifth tier (Ford V Ferrari, The Two Popes, Bombshell). The main reason for this is that it keeps getting snubbed for Best Director nominations, which are going to Joker and Little Women instead.

Fair point, and TIL that Crash was the most recent film to win BP without being nominated for Best Director at the Golden Globes. On the other hand, I remember a few years ago Argo surprised a lot of people by winning Best Picture even though Affleck wasn't nominated for Best Director at the Academy Awards.
I was planning on making a post specifically about this right before the Oscars, but perhaps I'll just re-quote this post at that time. The Best Picture winner also wins either Director or Screenplay or both at the Oscars 95% of the time. If it wins both, it's 95% likely to win Picture. Last year right before they announced Best Picture, the odds of it being anything other than Green Book (Original Screenplay) or Blakkklansman (Adapted Screenplay) or Roma (Director) were 5% or less.

When you watch the actual awards live, Screenplay and Director are HUGE hints as to who will not be winning Picture at the end of the night. For example, last year with The Favourite, Green Book winning Screenplay was s dagger in The Favourite's heart, since Roma was a lock for Director. Two years ago, Get Out winning Screenplay wss a dagger in the heart of Three Billboards, especially since it wasn't even nominated for Director. If Marruage Story isn't nominated for Director this year, it's Best Picture chances drop to 5% or less if it doesn't win Screenplay.

BEST PICTURE last ten years:

- Green Book (Original Screenplay)
- The Shape Of Water (Director)
- Moonlight (Adapted Screenplay)
- Spotlight (Original Screenplay)
- Birdman (Director + Original Screenplay)
- 12 Years A Slave (Adapted Screenplay)
- Argo (Adapted Screenplay)
- The Artist (Director)
- The King's Speech (Director + Original Screenplay)
- The Hurt Locker (Director + Original Screenplay)


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on December 26, 2019, 08:57:52 AM
I saw The Two Popes and I really liked it, but I agree with T’Chenka’s observations about why it won’t be for everyone.  Great acting, excellent screenplay (despite being kinda slow at times, I was never the least bit bored), and just a really thoughtful, well-made film.  A religious film in the best sense and a very insightful one at that.  It’s also a beautiful film to watch even if the cinematography sometimes left a bit to be desired.  I’d give it an A-  Watch the trailer first though.  If you see it and think you’d like a deep, dialogue-heavy film along those lines then I highly recommend it.  Otherwise, you might wanna sit this one out.  Then again, it’s on Netflix so you can always shut it off if you don’t like it.

Oscar talk:

This has a shot at getting either the fourth or fifth adapted screenplay slot although it’s not a lock.  Jonathan Pryce and especially Anthony Hopkins do have a real - albeit less than 50% - chance of sneaking in for Best Actor and Best Supporting Actor nominations respectively (even though they’re really both leads and the real supporting performance is the guy who played a younger Pope Francis in the flashbacks).  B/c of the Academy’s preferential voting system, I’d be shocked if this film got a BP nomination...not b/c it is undeserving, but b/c nominees in all categories are determined by the films with the most first place votes from that branch of the academy.*  Only the Oscars and the guilds do it that way.
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Warning: Incoming Inside Baseball (just skip ahead if not interested)

What this means is for, say, BP, you don’t vote for your top ten (otherwise a BP nod, Adapted Screenplay nod, and probably a nomination for Hopkins would be locks and Pryce would have a good shot at a nomination).  The Producer’s Branch members each vote for just one film and then once you have the nominees, the whole academy votes in every category.  This is an under-appreciated factor in who gets nominated (ex: Captain Philips would’ve been a lock for Best Director and Best Actor nods under a normal voting system, but was the sort of film likely to get a lot of 3-5th place votes, so it missed out in both categories). 

They briefly BP an exception to this rule and allow the producers branch to have ten votes (top ten films) for the 2010 Oscars, but a few films got nominated that the academy felt were from “low art genres” like The Blind Side (mainstream crowd pleaser/sports film), District 9 (Sci-Fi), A Serious Man (comedy), and Up (animated film).  Up and District 9’s BP nods in particular pissed off a lot of folks in the academy.  The academy promptly opted to return to the “pick one film” rule as a sort of genre gerrymandering of BP nominations. 
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Inside baseball over.

Ultimately, preferential favors two types of films in the nominations voting: 1) Obvious Oscar bait frontrunners like The King’s Speech, Spotlight, La La Land [or really anything about Hollywood that depicts it as a magical place], Green Book, etc and 2) Films like Jojo Rabbit, Joker, The Wolf of Wall Street, Tarantino films, etc which are very much not for everyone, but that are absolutely beloved rather than just liked/respected by those who enjoyed them.  All of which is to say that I doubt anyone considers The Two Popes the best film of the year even if many academy members will consider it a top ten film. 

Similarly, Jonathan Pryce is so beloved in the film industry that many want him to get “his” Oscar nomination at some point (and you better believe the academy is that superficial about this stuff; “s/he’s overdue” is probably the single best narrative someone seeking an acting nomination could hope for), but is it enough to get Pryce the fifth most first place votes?  Hopkins gives his best performance in over twenty years, but is it good enough to crack the Best Supporting Actor field as an actor who has already won an Oscar and has periodically annoyed the academy by publicly expressing his contempt for the idea of actors campaigning for Oscar nominations (lest we forget many Academy members publicly called for Mo’nique not to be nominated for Precious [she ultimately won] b/c she “isn’t showing us the respect we deserve [by campaigning for an Oscar],” these are some petty folks). 

Anyway, we’ll see what happens, but I doubt it gets more than a Best Adapted Screenplay nomination.  Tbh, Pryce not getting a Best Actor nomination from the SAG might be a death blow to his chances since they use preferential voting and are the industry group most likely to be inclined to nominate a beloved, widely respected actor like Pryce.  The Globes are a bit weird [they’re less useful for predicting nominations since they’re mainly used as A) FYC to Academy members with a mountain of screeners to get through and B) a way for Globes winners to give a good speech to show the Academy members “hey, you’ll feel good about me being on the stage if I win”] and DiCaprio is a lock for a Best Actor nomination, but was nominated in the musical or comedy category at the Globes.



Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on December 26, 2019, 09:08:23 AM
Similarly, Jonathan Pryce is so beloved in the film industry that many want him to get “his” Oscar nomination at some point (and you better believe the academy is that superficial about this stuff; “s/he’s overdue” is probably the single best narrative someone seeking an acting nomination could hope for), but is it enough to get Pryce the fifth most first place votes?  Hopkins gives his best performance in over twenty years, but is it good enough to crack the Best Supporting Actor field as an actor who has already won an Oscar and has periodically annoyed the academy by publicly expressing his contempt for the idea of actors campaigning for Oscar nominations (lest we forget many Academy members publicly called for Mo’nique not to be nominated for Precious [she ultimately won] b/c she “isn’t showing us the respect we deserve [by campaigning for an Oscar],” these are some petty folks). 

Anyway, we’ll see what happens, but I doubt it gets more than a Best Adapted Screenplay nomination.  Tbh, Pryce not getting a Best Actor nomination from the SAG might be a death blow to his chances since they use preferential voting and are the industry group most likely to be inclined to nominate a beloved, widely respected actor like Pryce.  The Globes are a bit weird [they’re less useful for predicting nominations since they’re mainly used as A) FYC to Academy members with a mountain of screeners to get through and B) a way for Globes winners to give a good speech to show the Academy members “hey, you’ll feel good about me being on the stage if I win”] and DiCaprio is a lock for a Best Actor nomination, but was nominated in the musical or comedy category at the Globes.
You're not wrong, but the Oscars aren't 100% predictable, despite definitely being 95% predictable. Almost nobody but Roma stans were predicting Marina De Tavira to get a Best Supporting Actress nomination. It came way out of left field. After the Golden Globes, I'm simply not willing to write this film or these actors off just yet.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on December 26, 2019, 01:08:40 PM
Similarly, Jonathan Pryce is so beloved in the film industry that many want him to get “his” Oscar nomination at some point (and you better believe the academy is that superficial about this stuff; “s/he’s overdue” is probably the single best narrative someone seeking an acting nomination could hope for), but is it enough to get Pryce the fifth most first place votes?  Hopkins gives his best performance in over twenty years, but is it good enough to crack the Best Supporting Actor field as an actor who has already won an Oscar and has periodically annoyed the academy by publicly expressing his contempt for the idea of actors campaigning for Oscar nominations (lest we forget many Academy members publicly called for Mo’nique not to be nominated for Precious [she ultimately won] b/c she “isn’t showing us the respect we deserve [by campaigning for an Oscar],” these are some petty folks). 

Anyway, we’ll see what happens, but I doubt it gets more than a Best Adapted Screenplay nomination.  Tbh, Pryce not getting a Best Actor nomination from the SAG might be a death blow to his chances since they use preferential voting and are the industry group most likely to be inclined to nominate a beloved, widely respected actor like Pryce.  The Globes are a bit weird [they’re less useful for predicting nominations since they’re mainly used as A) FYC to Academy members with a mountain of screeners to get through and B) a way for Globes winners to give a good speech to show the Academy members “hey, you’ll feel good about me being on the stage if I win”] and DiCaprio is a lock for a Best Actor nomination, but was nominated in the musical or comedy category at the Globes.
You're not wrong, but the Oscars aren't 100% predictable, despite definitely being 95% predictable. Almost nobody but Roma stans were predicting Marina De Tavira to get a Best Supporting Actress nomination. It came way out of left field. After the Golden Globes, I'm simply not willing to write this film or these actors off just yet.

Pryce and Hopkins could still sneak in, a BP nod would shock me though.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: Orser67 on December 26, 2019, 03:15:05 PM
They briefly BP an exception to this rule and allow the producers branch to have ten votes (top ten films) for the 2010 Oscars, but a few films got nominated that the academy felt were from “low art genres” like The Blind Side (mainstream crowd pleaser/sports film), District 9 (Sci-Fi), A Serious Man (comedy), and Up (animated film).  Up and District 9’s BP nods in particular pissed off a lot of folks in the academy.  The academy promptly opted to return to the “pick one film” rule as a sort of genre gerrymandering of BP nominations. 

That's a shame, Up and District 9 were both very good films, and there's nothing wrong with the Academy giving BP noms to particularly good animated/genre films. I'd easily take both of those films over e.g. War Horse and Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on December 26, 2019, 03:57:18 PM
They briefly BP an exception to this rule and allow the producers branch to have ten votes (top ten films) for the 2010 Oscars, but a few films got nominated that the academy felt were from “low art genres” like The Blind Side (mainstream crowd pleaser/sports film), District 9 (Sci-Fi), A Serious Man (comedy), and Up (animated film).  Up and District 9’s BP nods in particular pissed off a lot of folks in the academy.  The academy promptly opted to return to the “pick one film” rule as a sort of genre gerrymandering of BP nominations. 

That's a shame, Up and District 9 were both very good films, and there's nothing wrong with the Academy giving BP noms to particularly good animated/genre films. I'd easily take both of those films over e.g. War Horse and Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close.

Agreed


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: ricardotor on December 27, 2019, 01:27:04 PM
The biggest problem is the movie’s length.  3 and a half hours is a long time and you feel it.  The movie is okay quality-wise, but once you get to hours and realize you’ve got another hour and a half of meh, it feels more and more like a chore.  It’s also a pretty slow movie.  Plus De Niro still moves like an old person, so that was really distracting.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on December 28, 2019, 09:04:39 AM
The biggest problem is the movie’s length.  3 and a half hours is a long time and you feel it.  The movie is okay quality-wise, but once you get to hours and realize you’ve got another hour and a half of meh, it feels more and more like a chore.  It’s also a pretty slow movie.  Plus De Niro still moves like an old person, so that was really distracting.


Couldn't agree more


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on December 28, 2019, 11:42:25 AM
Who are these Academy members who had a problem with Up being nominated but were ok with Black Panther or Hacksaw Ridge?
What a bunch of idiots.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on December 28, 2019, 05:20:41 PM
LITTLE WOMEN (very mild spoilers only)

This is a really good coming-of-age classic tale, remade pretty well by Greta Gerwig. I don't know what else to say besides giving my pros and cons, but it's a very solid film and I would recommend it to anybody who likes the premise.


CRITICISMS
- The script is the weak point, specifically how it jumps back and forward in time. It works suprisingly well in most regards, but the non-linear timeline softens the emotional blows unfortunately.
-  I felt that the side characters could've been fleshed out a little bit more. The movie being 5-10 minutes longer in order to do that would've been okay with me, despite already being over 2 hours as is.

DESERVES PRAISE
The sets, costumes, camera work were all pretty good
- The main 7 actors plus a few side actors were all VERY good
- All of the emotional scenes hit hard due to acting, despite script softening blows

BEYOND PRAISE-WORTHY, TRULY GREAT
- Saoirse Ronan and Florence Pugh are SO good. Cannot praise them enough
- If Florence Pugh doesn't get her Best Supporting Actress Oscar nomination, we riot

FINAL SCORE
A minus (briefly considered B PLUS)

OSCAR TALK
This is a front-runner for Best Costume Design, also has a very good shot at nominations for Best Original Score and a 50/50 shot at Best Production Design. Saoirse Ronan is very likely to get a Best Actress nom, Florence Pugh is 50/50 on getting a Best Supporting Actress nom. Chalamet won't get a Best Supporting Actor nom with better competition this year. Best Adapted Screenplay is a very very likely nomination. Greta is going to probably just miss out on Best Director, unless Marriage Story and Joker both miss. The 8th slot for Best Picture should belong to Little Women, though it could be stolen by Ford V Ferrari, The Two Popes, Bombshell, or in a longshot scenario by Uncut Gems, The Farewell or Knives Out.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on December 28, 2019, 07:04:55 PM
The biggest problem is the movie’s length.  3 and a half hours is a long time and you feel it.  The movie is okay quality-wise, but once you get to hours and realize you’ve got another hour and a half of meh, it feels more and more like a chore.  It’s also a pretty slow movie.  Plus De Niro still moves like an old person, so that was really distracting.


Couldn't agree more

On top of that, around the two hour mark the movie just gets f***ing repetitive. That's my biggest issue with it outside the unnecessary length.

*Spoilers?*

How many God damn scenes did we need of Sheeran having a conversation with Bufalino or Hoffa about how Hoffa either needs to stop putting his interests ahead of the mob's or how he needs to get whacked!? There is like a 45 minute segment of the film where this is all that happens, starting with that seemingly never-ending scene at Frank Sheeran's party. Oh, sometimes they're eating. That changes it up, right? No! I don't mind a long, slow movie, including other Sorcese films, but 'The Irishman' was just self-indulgent.


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on December 31, 2019, 12:10:31 AM
This will be my second Oscar predictions, before the Golden Globes, Critics Choice Awards, BAFTA nominations, PGA nominations, BAFTAs and PGAs. I will do a third and final prediction in the final week before the Oscars.

EDIT - Also, like my first predictions, I'm predicting all the nominees AND the winners. Nominees are announced in two weeks, and my final predictions will be after that, and therefore only predicting the award winners.


BEST PICTURE
Parasite
The Irishman
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Marriage Story
1917
Jojo Rabbit
Joker
Little Women

BEST DIRECTOR
Parasite
The Irishman
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
1917
Joker

BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
Marriage Story
Parasite
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Knives Out
The Farewell

BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
The Irishman
Jojo Rabbit
Little Women
The Two Popes
A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood

BEST ACTOR
Marriage Story - Adam Driver
Joker - Joaquin Phoenix
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood - Leonardi DiCaprio
Pain & Glory - Antonio Banderas
Ford V Ferrari - Christian Bale

BEST ACTRESS
Judy - Renee Zellweger
Marriage Story - Scarlett Johansson
Bombshell - Charlize Theron
Little Women - Saoirse Ronan
Harriet - Cynthia Erivo

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood - Brad Pitt
The Irishman - Joe Pesci
A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood - Tom Hanks
The Irishman - Al Pacino
The Two Popes - Anthony Hopkins

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Marriage Story - Laura Dern
Hustlers - Jennifer Lopez
Bombshell - Margot Robbie
Little Women - Florence Pugh
Richard Jewell - Cathy Bates

BEST INTERNATIONAL FEATURE
Parasite
Pain & Glory
Les Miserables
Atlantics
Beanpole

BEST ANIMATED FEATURE
Toy Story 4
Frozen II
How To Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World
I Lost My Body
Missing Link

BEST DOCUMENTARY FEATURE
American Factory
Apollo 11
One Child Nation
For Sama
Honeyland

BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY
1917
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Joker
The Irishman
Portrait Of A Lady On Fire

BEST VISUAL EFFECTS
The Irishman
Avengers: Endgame
The Lion King
1917
Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker

BEST EDITING
The Irishman
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Parasite
Ford V Ferrari
Marriage Story

BEST PRODUCTION DESIGN
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
1917
Parasite
The Irishman
Joker

BEST COSTUME DESIGN
Little Women
Dolemite Is My Name
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Rocketman
Downton Abbey

BEST MAKEUP & HAIRSTYLING
Bombshell
Judy
Rocketman
Joker
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

BEST ORIGINAL SCORE
Marriage Story
1917
Joker
Little Women
Motherless Brooklyn

BEST ORIGINAL SONG
Rocketman - (I'm Gonna) Love Me Again
Frozen II - Into The Unknown
Harriet - Stand Up
Toy Story 4 - I Won't Let You Throw Yourself Away
The Lion King - Spirit

BEST SOUND EDITING
Ford V Ferrari
1917
Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Joker

BEST SOUND MIXING
Ford v Ferrari
1917
Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker
Rocketman
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

BEST (Documentary, Live-Action, Animated) SHORT
I honestly don't care about short films and these 3 awards. Maybe I should, but it is what it is.



4 Oscars - Marriage Story
3 Oscars - Parasite, The Irishman
2 Oscars - Once Upon A Time In Hollywood, Ford V Ferrari
1 Oscar -  1917, Little Women, Bombshell, Rocketman...
                ...Judy, Toy Story 4, American Factory


12 Nominations - Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
9 Nominations - The Irishman
8 Nominations - 1917, Joker
7 Nominations - Marriage Story
6 Nominations - Parasite, Little Women
4 Nominations - Ford V Ferrari, Rocketman
3 Nominations - Bombshell, Star Wars: The Rise Of Sywalker
2 Nominations - Jojo Rabbit, The Two Popes, A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood...
                         ...Pain & Glory, Judy, Harriet, Toy Story 4, Frozen II, The Lion King
1 Nomination  - The Farewell, Knives Out, Hustlers, Richard Jewell, Avengers: Endgame...
                         ...Portrait Of A Lady On Fire, Dolemite Is My Name, Downton Abbey, Motherless Brooklyn...
                        ...and all other international / documentary / animated nominees


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on December 31, 2019, 06:23:39 PM
With it being the last day of the year, here is every film of 2019 that I have seen, listed in order of how much I enjoyed them:

Invader Zim: Enter the Florpus
Marriage Story
Paddleton
Everybody Knows
Cold Pursuit
Shazam!
Us
Under the Silver Lake
Rocko’s Modern Life: Static Cling
How To Train Your Dragon 3
The Irishman
The Last Black Man In San Francisco
Serenity
The Fanatic
Loqueesha



Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on December 31, 2019, 06:57:27 PM
With it being the last day of the year, here is every film of 2019 that I have seen, listed in order of how much I enjoyed them:

Invader Zim: Enter the Florpus
Marriage Story
Paddleton
Everybody Knows
Cold Pursuit
Shazam!
Us
Under the Silver Lake
Rocko’s Modern Life: Static Cling
How To Train Your Dragon 3
The Irishman
The Last Black Man In San Francisco
Serenity
The Fanatic
Loqueesha


Thoughts:

- A movie worse than The Fanatic? Wow. Impressive, almost.
- Isn't Rocko's Modern Life: Static Cling a mini-series not a film?
- I hope you eventually get to see Parasite


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on December 31, 2019, 07:03:39 PM
With it being the last day of the year, here is every film of 2019 that I have seen, listed in order of how much I enjoyed them:

Invader Zim: Enter the Florpus
Marriage Story
Paddleton
Everybody Knows
Cold Pursuit
Shazam!
Us
Under the Silver Lake
Rocko’s Modern Life: Static Cling
How To Train Your Dragon 3
The Irishman
The Last Black Man In San Francisco
Serenity
The Fanatic
Loqueesha


Thoughts:

- A movie worse than The Fanatic? Wow. Impressive, almost.
- Isn't Rocko's Modern Life: Static Cling a mini-series not a film?
- I hope you eventually get to see Parasite

'Loqueesha' is a film released to Amazon Prime that depicts a white guy getting a job as a radio host who gives advice to people. However, he's posing as a black woman when he hosts the show because they wanted to hire more people of color for their programs. The movie isn't as overtly racist as you might think, but in trying to be self-aware of that aspect and trying to seem smarter than it is, it becomes offensive in an entirely different way. This movie thinks it's somehow going to solve racism yet falls flat on its face with the message it wants to communicate. It's also a "comedy" that is far less humorous than 'The Fanatic' and is extremely cheaply made. I enjoy terrible movies often, and this one isn't quite in that "funny-bad" category like 'The Fanatic' is, but is uniquely baffling still.

And 'Rocko's Modern Life: Static Cling' was one 45 minute movie released on Netflix.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on January 02, 2020, 05:05:34 AM
I don't follow the Golden Globes as much as the Oscars, but they're coming on Sunday night and I wanna take a stab at some predictions.

I slept on this and changed a few picks the next morning.

The biggest thing to watch for is if Once Upon A Time In Hollywood, Parasite or The Irishman win 2 or 3 of Director, Screenplay and their respective Best Picture/Film categories. That's a strong hint at who might be winning the Oscar for Best Picture.

BEST PICTURE (DRAMA)
Joker

I have Joker beating the much more obvious The Irishman and the obvious runner-up Marriage Story as 2020's version of Bohemian Rhapsody beating A Star Is Born and Black Panther. I see Joker as this year's Bohemian Rhapsody, riding a wave of fan support into awards season. Which ever film wins here helps their Oscar chances for Best Picture, whether that means The Irishman keeping the top 3 as a top 3, Marriage Story or 1917 pushing from just outside the top 3 into front-runner status, or Joker moving from "no real chance" to "potential upset". The Two Popes has ZERO chance here.

BEST ACTOR (DRAMA)
Joker - Joaquin Phoenix

It's the Joaquin Phoenix and Adam Driver two-way race this year. Phoenix seems like more of a "Globes" choice, whereas the Oscars are less audience-driven and care more about what the critics think. It's one of the two for sure.

BEST ACTRESS (DRAMA)
Judy - Rene Zellweger

I had this as Scarlett Johansson last night, but Zellweger is winning all of the smaller awards and will probably continue that success here and at the Oscars. Theron would be a big suprise, the other two women have no shot.

BEST PICTURE (COMEDY/MUSICAL)
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

This is pretty clearly Hollywood's award to win, however there is a small small chance of Jojo Rabbit winning, which would crush Hollywood's Best Picture Oscar chances and push Jojo Rabbit from "outside the top 5" to "almost a front-runner but not quite". Any other result would crush Hollywood ever more. It's gonna be Holywood though.

BEST ACTOR (COMEDY/MUSICAL
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood - Leonardo DiCaprio

Edgerton or Murphy aren't happening IMO. People keep forgetting how good DiCaprio was and how good Hollywood was because it came out way back in July. This is a pretty easy choice.

BEST ACTRESS (COMEDY/MUSICAL)
The Farewell - Awkwafina

Ana De Armas would be a cool choice, but this category is basically one potential Oscar nominee versus 4 other actresses. It's not much of a contest. Consider Awkwafina's Oscar nomination chances on life support if she loses this.

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood - Brad Pitt

Joe Pesci could maybe steal this, but I don't think so. The Irishman is a newer shinier toy, but Hollywood was great and Pitt was pretty good.

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Hustlers - Jennifer Lopez

Some - myself included - think Laura Dern's whole front-runner status is built on her career and how good Marriage Story is, but not on her Marriage Story performance itself. Lopez is the audience choice that the Globes can be swayed by. Florence Pugh was robbed of a nomination here.

BEST DIRECTOR
Parasite - Bong Joon Ho

This is 1917's big shot to get back into Oscar talk for Best Director and Best Picture, but the three front-runners look like unbeatable powerhouses. Whoever wins here, this is BIG for the Oscars. This can push one of the three Oscar front-funners ahead of the other two, especially if Hollywood or The Irishman win this AND Best Picture here. Joker or 1917 winning this and/or Picture is obviously a really big deal and makes them Oscar front-runners or just outside that group in the second tier with Marriage Story.

BEST SCREENPLAY
Marriage Story - Noah Baumbach

This is a HUGE moment for Marriage Story, where it needs to win this to stay in the Best Picture conversation. The Two Popes has no chance. Any of the three front-runners winning this is a big deal, especially if they can also win Picture and/or Director.

BEST FOREIGN LANGUAGE FILM
Parasite

It's just gotta be Parasite. If Portrait Of A Lady On Fire wins, it hurts Parasite in the big picture.

BEST ANIMATED FEATURE FILM
Toy Story 4

I don't think Frozen II can beat Toy Story 4.

BEST ORIGINAL SCORE
Joker - Hildur Gudnadottir

This category is a bit more wide open than others. I'm going with Joker.

BEST ORIGINAL SONG
Rocketman - (I'm Gonna) Love Me Again

It's this or "Into The Unknown" from Frozen II, I hope. Lion King winning this or Animated Feature is a cringe job.


Title: Re: Golden Globes, Oscars, awards season, films
Post by: T'Chenka on January 03, 2020, 08:44:34 PM
I just found this... interesting... video essay on Marriage Story, possibly made by a MGTOW guy. I honestly haven't watched it yet, but the text description ALONE made me want to post it, which I'll share below.

MARRIAGE STORY spoilers ahead!!!

Spoiler alert! Click Show to show the content.



https://youtu.be/ZLfrf_00Ync


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on January 04, 2020, 05:20:55 PM
Golden Globes Predictions:

Note: I have not seen 1917, Harriet, or Rocketman

BEST PICTURE (DRAMA)


Will Win: Marriage Story
Could Win: Joker
Should Win: Marriage Story

BEST ACTOR (DRAMA)


Will Win: Joaquin Phoenix - Joker
Could Win: Adam Driver - Marriage Story
Should Win: Joaquin Phoenix - Joker

BEST ACTRESS (DRAMA)


Will Win: Scarlett Johansson - Marriage Story
Could Win: Saoirse Ronan - Little Women
Should Win: Scarlett Johansson - Marriage Story

BEST PICTURE (COMEDY/MUSICAL)

Will Win: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
Could Win: Jojo Rabbit
Should Win: Jojo Rabbit

BEST ACTOR (COMEDY/MUSICAL)

Will Win: Leonardo DiCaprio - Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
Could Win: Eddie Murphy - Dolemite is My Name
Should Win: Roman Griffin Davis - Jojo Rabbit


BEST ACTRESS (COMEDY/MUSICAL)


Will Win: Awkwafina - The Farewell
Could Win: Beanie Feldstein - Booksmart
Should Win: Ana De Armas - Knives Out

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR


Will Win: Brad Pitt - Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
Could Win: Joe Pesci - The Irishman
Should Win: Brad Pitt - Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS


Will Win: Jennifer Lopez - Hustlers
Could Win: Laura Dern - Marriage Story
Should Win: Laura Dern - Marriage Story

BEST DIRECTOR

Will Win: Bong Joon-Ho - Parasite
Could Win: Quentin Tarantino - Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
Should Win: Todd Phillips - Joker

BEST SCREENPLAY


Will Win: Marriage Story
Could Win: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
Should Win: Marriage Story

BEST FOREIGN LANGUAGE FILM


Will Win: Parasite
Could Win: The Farewell
Should Win: Parasite

BEST ANIMATED FEATURE FILM


Will Win: Toy Story 4
Could Win: Frozen 2
Should Win: Toy Story 4

BEST ORIGINAL SCORE


Will Win: Joker
Could Win: Marriage Story
Should Win: Marriage Story

BEST ORIGINAL SONG


Will Win: (I'm Gonna) Love Me Again
Could Win: Into the Unknown - Frozen II
Should Win: I honestly don't care about any of these nominees :P


Title: Re: Golden Globes, Oscars, awards season, films
Post by: Sprouts Farmers Market ✘ on January 04, 2020, 05:41:56 PM
Not a single nomination for the DuPont movie? Not good, folks. This is why our country is dying. They're poisoning us, and Hollywood doesn't even care when the elite cabal of criminals gets exposed for harming us.

The bottom line is nointy noin percent of us have toxins in our blood, most especially people like the farmers and coal miners, but Hollywood doesn't care that we miss our carpets. That's the bottom line.


Title: Re: Golden Globes, Oscars, awards season, films
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on January 04, 2020, 07:34:30 PM
I just found this... interesting... video essay on Marriage Story, possibly made by a MGTOW guy. I honestly haven't watched it yet, but the text description ALONE made me want to post it, which I'll share below.

MARRIAGE STORY spoilers ahead!!!

Spoiler alert! Click Show to show the content.



https://youtu.be/ZLfrf_00Ync

Does he ever end up mentioning that Charlie cheated on Nicole? I really don't want to partake in watching and supporting his channel in any way if he really is part of an internet reactionary circle.

As I said in my summation (well not really, it was pretty long) of the film, the movie made me move back and forth in my sympathy between the couple only for me to realize that the movie wasn't really forcing you to choose sides. It's just how divorces go. They're complicated and nuanced, as I know first-hand from my parents' recent divorce.

Also Noah Baumbach supposedly based the movie, and the character of Charlie specifically, on himself during his divorce from Jennifer Jason Leigh, so would he really have a pro-feminist agenda with that being the case?


Title: Re: Golden Globes, Oscars, awards season, films
Post by: T'Chenka on January 04, 2020, 08:35:59 PM
Not a single nomination for the DuPont movie? Not good, folks. This is why our country is dying. They're poisoning us, and Hollywood doesn't even care when the elite cabal of criminals gets exposed for harming us.

The bottom line is nointy noin percent of us have toxins in our blood, most especially people like the farmers and coal miners, but Hollywood doesn't care that we miss our carpets. That's the bottom line.

I saw the movie and liked it, and I would say it was a well made film. That being said, absolutely none of the acting, directing, screenplay or score were amazing or best-of-the-year. It's just a good movie, that's it, despite being extremely eye-opening and culturally important.


Title: Re: Golden Globes, Oscars, awards season, films
Post by: T'Chenka on January 04, 2020, 08:38:07 PM
I just found this... interesting... video essay on Marriage Story, possibly made by a MGTOW guy. I honestly haven't watched it yet, but the text description ALONE made me want to post it, which I'll share below.

MARRIAGE STORY spoilers ahead!!!

Spoiler alert! Click Show to show the content.



https://youtu.be/ZLfrf_00Ync

Does he ever end up mentioning that (SPOILER)? I really don't want to partake in watching and supporting his channel in any way if he really is part of an internet reactionary circle.

As I said in my summation (well not really, it was pretty long) of the film, the movie made me move back and forth in my sympathy between the couple only for me to realize that the movie wasn't really forcing you to choose sides. It's just how divorces go. They're complicated and nuanced, as I know first-hand from my parents' recent divorce.

Also Noah Baumbach supposedly based the movie, and the character of Charlie specifically, on himself during his divorce from Jennifer Jason Leigh, so would he really have a pro-feminist agenda with that being the case?
I kind of don't want to watch it for the same reasons you stated. I might get around to it. Just that video description alone got my attention.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on January 04, 2020, 08:42:35 PM
Golden Globes Predictions:

Note: I have not seen 1917, Harriet, or Rocketman

(PREDICTIONS FOLLOW)
God, I would love to see Marriage Story do that well and The Irishman win nothing. I don't think it'll turn out this way, but I really hope it does.


Title: Re: Golden Globes, Oscars, awards season, films
Post by: Orser67 on January 05, 2020, 02:02:45 PM
I just found this... interesting... video essay on Marriage Story, possibly made by a MGTOW guy. I honestly haven't watched it yet, but the text description ALONE made me want to post it, which I'll share below.

MARRIAGE STORY spoilers ahead!!!

Spoiler alert! Click Show to show the content.



https://youtu.be/ZLfrf_00Ync

By contrast, in the one non-internet conversation I've had about this film, one of the women I was talking to said that she didn't want to see it because she heard that it portrayed the guy in too good of a light.


Title: Re: Golden Globes, Oscars, awards season, films
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on January 05, 2020, 09:27:34 PM
And that may well be the ballgame for Marriage Story...

Edit: So...how about 1917?


Title: Re: Golden Globes, Oscars, awards season, films
Post by: T'Chenka on January 05, 2020, 11:46:24 PM
And that may well be the ballgame for Marriage Story...

Edit: So...how about 1917?
Parasite did OK, but far from perfect.
The Irishman didn't win anyting.
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood did GREAT.
Marriage Story didn't win anything
1917 did EXTREMELY well, above expectations
Jojo Rabbit didn't win anything.
Joker did well, but didn't exceed expectations.


I think the new Oscar list for Best Picture contenders probaby looks like:

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Parasite
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
The Irishman
1917
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Marriage Story
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Joker
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Jojo Rabbit
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Little Women
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Ford V Ferrari, The Farewell, Uncut Gems
The Two Popes, Bombshell, Knives Out
etc etc
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


This positions Best Original Screenplay and Best Director as the major indicators of who will win Best Picture between Parasite and Hollywood. If one film wins both, it's extremely likey to win Best Picture. If they win one each, it's a nail biter.


Title: Re: Golden Globes, Oscars, awards season, films
Post by: kyc0705 on January 05, 2020, 11:48:34 PM
My post-Globes takeaways, with the usual caveat that it's just the Golden Globes:

Dern and Pitt seem like done deals now. I think the Supporting categories are basically wrapped.

Zellweger still seems a little vulnerable to win Best Actress, but unlike last year with Colman upsetting in the end, there's no other contender that singularly commands a strong base of support.

In Best Actor, I don't know who wins, but Phoenix absolutely could, though I wouldn't rule out Driver or possibly even DiCaprio, depending on how SAG goes. (And also in Best Actor, I could definitely see a scenario where Egerton gets nominated.)

As for Best Picture, is it between Parasite, The Irishman, OUATIH, and... 1917 now? Seemed like there was a lot of hype after it first started screening, then it died down, but I could definitely see it coming back.


Title: Re: Golden Globes, Oscars, awards season, films
Post by: T'Chenka on January 05, 2020, 11:51:56 PM
My post-Globes takeaways, with the usual caveat that it's just the Golden Globes:

Dern and Pitt seem like done deals now. I think the Supporting categories are basically wrapped.

Zellweger still seems a little vulnerable to win Best Actress, but unlike last year with Colman upsetting in the end, there's no other contender that singularly commands a strong base of support.

In Best Actor, I don't know who wins, but Phoenix absolutely could, though I wouldn't rule out Driver or possibly even DiCaprio, depending on how SAG goes. (And also in Best Actor, I could definitely see a scenario where Egerton gets nominated.)

As for Best Picture, is it between Parasite, The Irishman, OUATIH, and... 1917 now? Seemed like there was a lot of hype after it first started screening, then it died down, but I could definitely see it coming back.

I'm fairly confident in Driver/Phoenix winning Best Actor, and Scarlett Johansson has a clear leg up on Theron and Ronan in my eyes.


Title: Re: Golden Globes, Oscars, awards season, films
Post by: kyc0705 on January 06, 2020, 12:05:07 AM
I'm fairly confident in Driver/Phoenix winning Best Actor, and Scarlett Johansson has a clear leg up on Theron and Ronan in my eyes.

I agree that if Zellweger does end up losing Actress, she'll lose to Johansson. As for Actor, it's almost certainly Phoenix or Driver (I did hear a wild theory of the case for DiCaprio to sneak through the precursors at the last minute, but that doesn't seem like it's happening). In any case, SAG is the decider: if Phoenix loses, the Oscar is a photo finish. But if he wins, it's a lock.


Title: Re: Golden Globes, Oscars, awards season, films
Post by: Orser67 on January 06, 2020, 01:34:51 AM
I can't speak to the quality of many of the films that were nominated (though I may now go out of my way to see 1917 in theaters). But I wholeheartedly endorse Succession (best drama), Fleabag (best comedy), and Chernobyl (best miniseries). I also like seeing Ramy get some attention.


Title: Re: Golden Globes, Oscars, awards season, films
Post by: T'Chenka on January 06, 2020, 07:30:00 AM
Movies that are basically done now (IMO), that will be nominated for Oscars but won't win:

- Jojo Rabbit
- Little Women (still tiny chance for Score, Supporting Actress)
- Ford V Ferrari (can still win technical stuff, no acting directing screenplay)
- The Two Popes
- The Farewell (Awkwafina won but Drama actresses are all "better")
- Knives Out


Title: Re: Golden Globes, Oscars, awards season, films
Post by: T'Chenka on January 06, 2020, 07:36:01 AM
Did anybody else like Ricky Gervais ripping into Hollywood and all the actors/actresses? I was amazed with how hard he went after everybody. Good for you Ricky.

Full opening monologue, audio only
(NOT SAFE FOR WORK LANGUAGE)
https://youtu.be/o2y99o99GTg


Title: Re: Golden Globes, Oscars, awards season, films
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on January 06, 2020, 08:34:54 AM
Movies that are basically done now (IMO), that will be nominated for Oscars but won't win:

- Jojo Rabbit
- Little Women (still tiny chance for Score, Supporting Actress)
- Ford V Ferrari (can still win technical stuff, no acting directing screenplay)
- The Two Popes
- The Farewell (Awkwafina won but Drama actresses are all "better")
- Knives Out

Definitely disagree on Jojo Rabbit, that one is gonna play far better with the guilds and Oscars than anyone else.  If Taika Watiti gets a Best Director nomination tomorrow (sadly, I don’t think he will) and Johansson also gets a supporting actress nomination (I do think this will happen) then Jojo Rabbit is one of the frontrunners for BP.  Otherwise, it’ll have to make due with having like a 40% chance of winning Best Adapted Screenplay and various nominations.  In other words, the jury is still out on that one.

Did anybody else like Ricky Gervais ripping into Hollywood and all the actors/actresses? I was amazed with how hard he went after everybody. Good for you Ricky.

Full opening monologue, audio only
(NOT SAFE FOR WORK LANGUAGE)
https://youtu.be/o2y99o99GTg

He’s always been one of the few good awards show hosts for this reason.  The Globes let him do his thing.  If you have Chris Rock, you gotta let him do race jokes.  If you have Jon Stewart, you gotta let him do political jokes.  If you have some random old person or two random actors, you’re doing it wrong and would be better off with no host.


Title: Re: Golden Globes, Oscars, awards season, films
Post by: T'Chenka on January 06, 2020, 08:58:26 AM
Movies that are basically done now (IMO), that will be nominated for Oscars but won't win:

- Jojo Rabbit
- Little Women (still tiny chance for Score, Supporting Actress)
- Ford V Ferrari (can still win technical stuff, no acting directing screenplay)
- The Two Popes
- The Farewell (Awkwafina won but Drama actresses are all "better")
- Knives Out

Definitely disagree on Jojo Rabbit, that one is gonna play far better with the guilds and Oscars than anyone else.  If Taika Watiti gets a Best Director nomination tomorrow (sadly, I don’t think he will) and Johansson also gets a supporting actress nomination (I do think this will happen) then Jojo Rabbit is one of the frontrunners for BP.  Otherwise, it’ll have to make due with having like a 40% chance of winning Best Adapted Screenplay and various nominations.  In other words, the jury is still out on that one.

Did anybody else like Ricky Gervais ripping into Hollywood and all the actors/actresses? I was amazed with how hard he went after everybody. Good for you Ricky.

Full opening monologue, audio only
(NOT SAFE FOR WORK LANGUAGE)
https://youtu.be/o2y99o99GTg

He’s always been one of the few good awards show hosts for this reason.  The Globes let him do his thing.  If you have Chris Rock, you gotta let him do race jokes.  If you have Jon Stewart, you gotta let him do political jokes.  If you have some random old person or two random actors, you’re doing it wrong and would be better off with no host.
I can't see Jojo Rabbit (Taika) winning Director. It would need Best Adaped Screenplay to win Best Picture.

(EDIT - Oops, keep thinking Hollywood is Adapted, but that's The Irishman. Scratch all of that about Hollywood being a lock moreso than before for Adapted Screenplay)

The Irishman will probably still beat Jojo Rabbit. All that being said, I hope I'm wrong. I LOVED Jojo Rabbit.

Also, Oscars nominations aren't being announced Monday (today), they're next Monday (January 13th). Unless you meant BAFTA / PGA / some other nominations which are coming Tuesday (tomorrow).


Title: Re: Golden Globes, Oscars, awards season, films
Post by: dead0man on January 06, 2020, 12:18:02 PM
Did anybody else like Ricky Gervais ripping into Hollywood and all the actors/actresses? I was amazed with how hard he went after everybody. Good for you Ricky.

Full opening monologue, audio only
(NOT SAFE FOR WORK LANGUAGE)
https://youtu.be/o2y99o99GTg
that was freaking awesome.  There are, no doubt, good people working in the business (I'd guess that a majority of the actual on screen talent are decent people), but as a whole, the entertainment industry is a cess pool of horrible people, doing every thing they can to dumb down art to the lowest common denominator just so their margins are sure to be 12% better.


Title: Re: Golden Globes, Oscars, awards season, films
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on January 06, 2020, 01:10:26 PM
Movies that are basically done now (IMO), that will be nominated for Oscars but won't win:

- Jojo Rabbit
- Little Women (still tiny chance for Score, Supporting Actress)
- Ford V Ferrari (can still win technical stuff, no acting directing screenplay)
- The Two Popes
- The Farewell (Awkwafina won but Drama actresses are all "better")
- Knives Out

Definitely disagree on Jojo Rabbit, that one is gonna play far better with the guilds and Oscars than anyone else.  If Taika Watiti gets a Best Director nomination tomorrow (sadly, I don’t think he will) and Johansson also gets a supporting actress nomination (I do think this will happen) then Jojo Rabbit is one of the frontrunners for BP.  Otherwise, it’ll have to make due with having like a 40% chance of winning Best Adapted Screenplay and various nominations.  In other words, the jury is still out on that one.

Did anybody else like Ricky Gervais ripping into Hollywood and all the actors/actresses? I was amazed with how hard he went after everybody. Good for you Ricky.

Full opening monologue, audio only
(NOT SAFE FOR WORK LANGUAGE)
https://youtu.be/o2y99o99GTg

He’s always been one of the few good awards show hosts for this reason.  The Globes let him do his thing.  If you have Chris Rock, you gotta let him do race jokes.  If you have Jon Stewart, you gotta let him do political jokes.  If you have some random old person or two random actors, you’re doing it wrong and would be better off with no host.
I can't see Jojo Rabbit (Taika) winning Director. It would need Best Adaped Screenplay to win Best Picture.

(EDIT - Oops, keep thinking Hollywood is Adapted, but that's The Irishman. Scratch all of that about Hollywood being a lock moreso than before for Adapted Screenplay)

The Irishman will probably still beat Jojo Rabbit. All that being said, I hope I'm wrong. I LOVED Jojo Rabbit.

Also, Oscars nominations aren't being announced Monday (today), they're next Monday (January 13th). Unless you meant BAFTA / PGA / some other nominations which are coming Tuesday (tomorrow).

Taika doesn't need to win Best Director for Jojo Rabbit to win BP, just a nomination.  Jojo Rabbit is a lock for Best Adapted Screenplay if that happens.  Also, my bad re: when they'll be announced.


Title: Re: Golden Globes, Oscars, awards season, films
Post by: T'Chenka on January 07, 2020, 03:44:53 AM
2020 B.A.F.T.A. Nominees Announced

"Two days after Brits dominated the winners at the Golden Globes, the British Academy unveiled the nominees for its upcoming film awards.

Joker led the pack with 11, closely followed by The Irishman and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood on 10 and Sam Mendes' 1917 just behind with nine. Elsewhere Margot Robbie will compete against herself in the best supporting actress category, nominated for both Bombshell and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood."

Source:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bafta-awards-2020-nominations-unveiled-1267114




I took the liberty of removing the BAFTA awards that aren't Oscar-related, which can be found in the link above.

"Above The Line" (Major) Awards

Best Film
Parasite
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
The Irishman
1917
Joker

Best Director
Parasite
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
The Irishman
1917
Joker

Original Screenplay
Parasite
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Marriage Story
Knives Out
Booksmart

Adapted Screenplay
The Irishman
Jojo Rabbit
Joker
Little Women
The Two Popes

Leading Actor
Joker
Marriage Story
Once Upon A Time In Holywood
Rocketman
The Two Popes

Leading Actress
Judy
Marriage Story
Bombshell
Little Women
Wild Rose

Supporting Actor
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
The Irishman (Pesci)
A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood
The Irishman (Pacino)
The Two Popes

Supporting Actress
Marriage Story
Bombshell
Little Women
Jojo Rabbit
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

"Unique Category" Best Picture Awards

Film Not In The English Language
Parasite
The Farewell
Pain & Glory
Portrait Of A Lady On Fire
For Sama [documentary]

Animated Film
Toy Story 4
Frozen II
Klaus
A Shaun The Sheep Movie: Farmageddon

Documentary
American Factory
Apollo 11
For Sama
The Great Hack
Diego Maradona

"Below The Line" (Minor) Awards

Cinematography
The Irishman
1917
Joker
Ford V Ferrari
The Lighthouse

Editing
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
The Irishman
Jojo Rabbit
Joker
Ford V Ferrari

Special Visual Effects
The Irishman
1917
Avengers: Endgame
The Lion King
Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker

Sound
1917
Joker
Ford V Ferrari
Rocketman
Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker

Original Score
1917
Jojo Rabbit
Joker
Little Women
Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker

Production Design
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
The Irishman
1917
Jojo Rabbit
Joker

Costume Design
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
The Irishman
Jojo Rabbit
Little Women
Judy

Make Up & Hair
1917
Joker
Bombshell
Rocketman
Judy


Title: Re: Golden Globes, Oscars, awards season, films
Post by: T'Chenka on January 07, 2020, 12:24:55 PM
2020 Producers Guild Awards (P.G.A.) Nominees Announced

Despite only sharing 2 categories with the Oscars, the PGAs are considered one of the 5 or 6 most Oscar-influencing precursor awards each year.


Outstanding Theatrical Motion Pictures
Parasite
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
The Irishman
1917
Marriage Story
Jojo Rabbit
Joker
Little Women
Ford V Ferrari
Knives Out

Outstanding Theatrical Animated Motion Pictures
Toy Story 4
Frozen II
How To Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World
Missing Link
Abominable



EDIT - What's coming up each weekend from here on out:

In 1 Week: Critics Choice Awards
In 2 Weeks: Producers Guild Awards (PGAs)
In 2 Weeks: Screen Actors Guild awards (SAGs)
In 4 Weeks: British Academy of Film & Theater Awards (BAFTAs)
In 5 Weeks: Academy Awards aka "The Oscars"


Title: Re: Golden Globes, Oscars, awards season, films
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on January 07, 2020, 03:19:59 PM
DGA:

1917
The Irishman
Jojo Rabbit
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
Parasite

Jojo Rabbit just might pull off a BP win after all :D


Title: Re: Golden Globes, Oscars, awards season, films
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 07, 2020, 06:16:44 PM
DGA:

1917
The Irishman
Jojo Rabbit
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
Parasite

Jojo Rabbit just might pull off a BP win after all :D

Happy to see Todd Philips being ignored for his shameless Scorsese rip-off. 


Title: Re: Golden Globes, Oscars, awards season, films
Post by: T'Chenka on January 07, 2020, 11:22:26 PM
DGA:

1917
The Irishman
Jojo Rabbit
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
Parasite

Jojo Rabbit just might pull off a BP win after all :D

Happy to see Todd Philips being ignored for his shameless Scorsese rip-off.  
The front-runners are Best Director locks (Parasite Hollywood 1917 Irishman) but that fifth spot is up for grabs. IMO it should realy go to Baumbach, though I would much rather settle for Gerwig or Waititi than Todd Phillips. My money's on Phillips or Gerwig getting it.


Title: Re: Golden Globes, Oscars, awards season, films
Post by: GoTfan on January 08, 2020, 05:05:21 AM
The Irishman was screwed over, I think


Title: Re: Golden Globes, Oscars, awards season, films
Post by: T'Chenka on January 08, 2020, 06:01:25 AM
The Irishman was screwed over, I think
The only Golden Globe it should have clear-cut won was Best Picture (Drama), though it was a top contender for Best Director, Best Screenplay and Best Supporting Actor. You can look at it two ways. The movie either (A) under-performed due to the length and pacing of the movie and/or anti-Netflix bias, or (B) the movie did just fine, but the Globes voters just liked 1917 and Once Upon A Time In Hollywood ever so slightly more.

We'll see how the Oscars go, it's not over yet. It's still one of the front-runners.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on January 08, 2020, 07:17:35 AM
AMERICAN FACTORY (very mild spoilers only)

This is a Netflix documentary that is considered the primary front-runner for Best Documentary Feature at the Oscars.

This was an interesting film about a Chinese auto glass manufacturer re-oepening an old GM plant in Dayton, Ohio and hiring over one thousand Americans to work there under Chinese management and corporate philosophy. There is a focus on cultural differences in regards to worker's rights.

CRITICISMS
- The movie isn't exactly subtle, but a few scenes or moments could have maybe been given more weight.
- This movie didn't use music or score as well as it could have
- You don't get to connect with some of the workers introduced due to lack of screen time

DESERVES PRAISE
- The stuff with the anti-union managers, presidents and CEO was great. They said this stuff ON CAMERA. Wow.
- Overall well made, well shot, good quality documentary
.
FINAL SCORE
B plus

OSCAR TALK
This is a good documentary, but I feel like it's not strong enough to be the front-runner. Perhaps this is a weak year for feature-length documentaries? The only others I saw were Knock Down The House (almost as good) and Hail Satan? (solid, not Oscar-level), so I don't really know how the best documentaries this year would compare to the best docs in an average year. It will probably win Best Documentary Feature unless it's beaten by Apollo 11, or one of the war dramas (For Sama, The Cave).


Title: Re: Golden Globes, Oscars, awards season, films
Post by: LAKISYLVANIA on January 08, 2020, 07:32:44 AM
I've only seen the new Pokemon movie and Parasite from this year. Hope Parasite wins, and it's luckily almost guaranteed to win the best foreign language picture which i almost always check anyway. Will watch some other movies like Joker and so on, later.


Title: Re: Golden Globes, Oscars, awards season, films
Post by: GoTfan on January 10, 2020, 01:35:10 AM
Having seen 1917, I don't really see what all the fuss is about. Visually, it's a stunning film, but that is basically it, from what I saw. I couldn't really get behind the charcters at all. I just found it hard to get into. What i can't get around is why do you hire Colin Firth, Mark Strong and Benedict Cumberbatch, and then give them only a handful of lines and a tiny bit of screentime?

Honestly, it's not a bad film, but I do think it's pretty overrated. I still think Journey's End is a better World War One film. For all the talk of 1917 being about trench warfare, it really wasn't. Journey's End was able to do a lot more with a lot less, and with fewer big names in the cast.

Not a bad film, but vastly overrated and inferior to The Irishman I think. 7/10.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on January 10, 2020, 05:30:57 AM
Does anybody care to give a final prediction on which films will be the 8 or 9 or 10 Best Picture nominees for this year's Oscars? They're doing the official announcement on Monday morning.

I'm going to give mine and rank them by how good I thought they were. I'm having a really hard time ranking the movies within each tier.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
PARASITE (10/10)
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
MARRIAGE STORY (9.5/10)
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ONCE UPON A TIME IN HOLLYWOOD (9/10)
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
1917 (8.5/10)
JOJO RABBIT (8.5/10)
THE IRISHMAN (8.5/10)
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JOKER (8/10)
LITTLE WOMEN (8/10)
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

predicting no 9th nominee
predicting no 10th nominee


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, and well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on January 10, 2020, 08:53:23 PM
1917 (very mild spoilers only)

This movie has an average screenplay. There is nothing special or "great" about this script. However, this film takes that screenplay and maximizes the hell out of it, with very good acting (not Oscar level), great directing, a great score that is used very well, and god-level cinematography.

Because of the screenplay, I am anticipating a lot of people finding this movie to be overrated. I've seen it already offline and online. You're entited to feel that way. I personally thought this was a great movie, and one of the very best films of 2019.

CRITICISMS
- Screenplay, script
- Acting is very good but nothing mindblowing
- The script doesn't spoonfeed you the drama and emotion
- Some minor characters have quite limited screen time

DESERVES PRAISE
- The acting and the score REALLY worked FOR ME, some may disagree
- The directing is VERY good, and the more you try to figure out how exactly it was directed, the better you realize it was. Might win the Oscar
- The diversity of the cast was just right, not unrealistically diverse to pander to SJWs, but not 100% white either

BEYOND PRAISE, WORSHIP-WORTHY
- The cinematography is mind-blowing

FINAL SCORE (updated)
A  (2 days contemplating = A not A minus)

OSCAR TALK
This is the front-runner for Cinematography, Sound Editing and Sound Mixing. Also has a good shot at Best Director, Best Original Score and Production Design. There is some chance for Best Picture and Best Editing.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, well-made films
Post by: GoTfan on January 11, 2020, 04:29:16 AM
I still think that Journey's End is the way to go for a character-driven WW1 drama.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, well-made films
Post by: T'Chenka on January 11, 2020, 07:02:26 AM
I still think that Journey's End is the way to go for a character-driven WW1 drama.
I assume you mean the 1930 original and not the very recent remake? Never heard of this film but I'll add it to my list of of films to keep an eye out for. I'm not very knowledgeable on pre-70s cinema.


Title: Re: Oscars, awards season, well-made films
Post by: GoTfan on January 11, 2020, 09:27:37 AM
I still think that Journey's End is the way to go for a character-driven WW1 drama.
I assume you mean the 1930 original and not the very recent remake? Never heard of this film but I'll add it to my list of of films to keep an eye out for. I'm not very knowledgeable on pre-70s cinema.

They're both very similar, I can say safely. I mean, they both draw from the same play script.


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on January 13, 2020, 01:57:16 AM
EDIT - I accidentally edited this post instead of quotong it for copy/paste purposes.

The list of all Oscar nominees for all categories is easily available at Wikipedia.


Title: Re: Oscars (nominees announced), film discussion
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on January 13, 2020, 08:45:14 AM
In other news, Parasite really underperformed at the critics choice awards which should be its best group.  Once Upon a Time in Hollywood won BP Drama and Best Original Screenplay while Best Director was a tie between 1917 and Parasite.  


Title: Re: Oscars (nominees announced), film discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on January 13, 2020, 09:25:47 AM
In other news, Parasite really underperformed at the critics choice awards which should be its best group.  Once Upon a Time in Hollywood won BP Drama and Best Original Screenplay while Best Director was a tie between 1917 and Parasite.  
Parasite is struggling a bit yeah, whereas The Irishman and Marriage Story are really sinking fast. The PGAs on Saturday and the BAFTAs in three weeks are probably Parasite's last couple of chances to show it can hang with Once Upon A Time In Hollywood (and to a lesser extent 1917).

I think Best Picture at the Oscars will play out one of these ways now:

via Original Screenplay - Once Upon A Time In Hollywood (most likely scenario)
via Director - 1917 or maybe Parasite
via Adapted Screenplay - this winner won't win Best Picture this year, unless it's a huge upset


Title: Re: Oscars (nominees announced), film discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on January 13, 2020, 09:43:50 AM
Thoughts on the Oscar nominations...

- Joker got the most nominations. LOL.
- Hollywood did good but was actually projected to do even better
- Parasite did okay but not as good as some had hoped
- The Academy seems to really like 1917. Screenplay nomination? Wow.
- The Irishman did well as expected, it's losing awards but still getting nominations
- Marriage Story did poorly. It's done, suprassed now by Joker and Jojo Rabbit.
- Jojo Rabbit did VERY well. Long shot for Best Picture via Adapted Screenplay
- Little Women did well, got into Picture and Supporting Actress.

- Jennifer Lopez was snubbed for Cathy Bates. Wow.
- Surprised to see Erivo get in over Awkwafina
- Happy to see The Lighthouse get in for Cinematography, over Parasite though?
- The Farewell and Uncut Gems did terribly, got zero nominations
- Dolemite Is My Name and Rocketman totally collapsed as well, Rocketman got Song
- Jojo Rabbit getting into Editing over Once Upon / Hollywood is confusing to me
- Atlantics snubbed in International for Corpus Christi
- Frozen II snubbed for Klaus
- Apollo 11 snubbed for The Edge Of Democracy is a HUGE snub
- Portrait Of A Lady On Fire got nothing, but we expected that


Title: Re: Oscars (nominees announced), film discussion
Post by: Santander on January 13, 2020, 09:51:52 AM
Only 2019 movies I watched were Official Secrets (good) and Ad Astra (bad). Both on the same flight. In 2020.


Title: Re: Oscars (nominees announced), film discussion
Post by: kyc0705 on January 13, 2020, 10:10:39 AM
I have so many gripes with these nominations that I genuinely wouldn't even know where to start (though I did worry that Parasite would underperform, so it even doing on the level with what we expected is actually deeply relieving), so... let's just cut right to early predictions:

- Acting categories are 1000% locked at this point.
- Director might come down to between Bong and Mendes
- Picture is a virtual toss-up, with OUATIH, Parasite, 1917, and Jojo Rabbit all with a chance (but I think in that order if I had to guess). No clue on where this goes until the rest of the precursors.
- Screenplay winners are probably OUATIH and Irishman.


Title: Re: Oscars (nominees announced), film discussion
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on January 13, 2020, 11:19:09 AM
In other news, Parasite really underperformed at the critics choice awards which should be its best group.  Once Upon a Time in Hollywood won BP Drama and Best Original Screenplay while Best Director was a tie between 1917 and Parasite.  
Parasite is struggling a bit yeah, whereas The Irishman and Marriage Story are really sinking fast. The PGAs on Saturday and the BAFTAs in three weeks are probably Parasite's last couple of chances to show it can hang with Once Upon A Time In Hollywood (and to a lesser extent 1917).

I think Best Picture at the Oscars will play out one of these ways now:

via Original Screenplay - Once Upon A Time In Hollywood (most likely scenario)
via Director - 1917 or maybe Parasite
via Adapted Screenplay - this winner won't win Best Picture this year, unless it's a huge upset

I do think that Jojo Rabbit is probably the most likely to win Best Adapted Screenplay at this point, although Little Women winning wouldn't surprise me.  I actually don't see The Irishman winning at this point, it's slowly going the way of Marriage Story (lots of nominations, but few wins).  I agree though that Jojo Rabbit won't win BP, it needed a Best Director nomination for that to be in the cards imo.  As I've said all along, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood feels like the slight frontrunner for Best Picture.    

Fun fact: If Tarantino wins Best Original Screenplay, I believe he'll have tied Woody Allen's record for most wins in that category.  


Title: Re: Oscars (nominees announced), film discussion
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on January 13, 2020, 12:11:06 PM
So who's supposedly the frontrunner for Best Supporting Actor? I suppose that Phoenix, Ronan and Johannsen are for Best Actor, Best Actress and Best Supporting Actress respectively.


Title: Re: Oscars (nominees announced), film discussion
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on January 13, 2020, 12:13:23 PM
So who's supposedly the frontrunner for Best Supporting Actor? I suppose that Phoenix, Ronan and Johannsen are for Best Actor, Best Actress and Best Supporting Actress respectively.

Nah, it'll probably be Phoenix, Zellweger, Pitt, and Dern.  Johansson and Pesci could theoretically pull off an upset in Best Actress and Best Supporting Actor, but I doubt it (especially in Pesci's case).


Title: Re: Oscars (nominees announced), film discussion
Post by: kyc0705 on January 13, 2020, 12:26:34 PM
Nah, it'll probably be Phoenix, Zellweger, Pitt, and Dern.  Johansson and Pesci could theoretically pull off an upset in Best Actress and Best Supporting Actor, but I doubt it (especially in Pesci's case).

My reading of this is that they're basically all heavy favorites to different degrees: Zellweger and Phoenix win because nobody else can pose a serious enough challenge to rally enough votes—in other words, there's a chance they could lose but it's not clear exactly what that scenario looks like. Pitt even moreso. And in Supporting Actress I can't even imagine how Dern loses, much less who she would lose to. That category is a lock beyond locks.


Title: Re: Oscars (nominees announced), film discussion
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on January 13, 2020, 01:53:25 PM
Also while I wasn't expecting any nominations, but Booksmart was snubbed. It should've at least got Best Original Screenplay and Olivia Wilde for Best Director.


Title: Re: Oscars (nominees announced), film discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on January 13, 2020, 02:23:10 PM
So who's supposedly the frontrunner for Best Supporting Actor? I suppose that Phoenix, Ronan and Johannsen are for Best Actor, Best Actress and Best Supporting Actress respectively.

Nah, it'll probably be Phoenix, Zellweger, Pitt, and Dern.  Johansson and Pesci could theoretically pull off an upset in Best Actress and Best Supporting Actor, but I doubt it (especially in Pesci's case).
This is the right answer, but I'd also add Adam Driver and basically all of the Supporting Actress nominees into the "unlikely but possible as an upset" category.

VERY CLEAR FRONTRUNNER - Phoenix, Zellweger, Pitt, Dern
UNLIKELY UPSET PICK - Driver, Johansson, Pesci, (Robbie / Pugh / Johansson / Bates)
DARK HORSE "WTF LOL" LONG SHOT - DiCaprio, Theron, Hanks, (none)

Banderas, Pryce, Ronan, Erivo, Pacino and Hopkins aren't winning jack, I would put good money on it.


Also while I wasn't expecting any nominations, but Booksmart was snubbed. It should've at least got Best Original Screenplay and Olivia Wilde for Best Director.
There was a brief moment last week after the scrrenwriting guild announced nominations where Booksmart looked like it might jump back into the Best Original Screenplay race, but the Oscars had to go and give the 5th nomination to 1917 instead of The Farewell / Booksmart / Uncut Gems.


Title: Re: Oscars (nominees announced), film discussion
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on January 13, 2020, 07:56:10 PM
I have only seen 'Marriage Story' and 'The Irishman' of all the nominees...and 'How To train Your Dragon 3,' so I don't have too many stakes in this year's ceremony. All I can say is that I'm surprised that the Academy didn't give a shock Best Actor nod to Adam Sandler in 'Uncut Gems' and that 'Frozen II' didn't get nominated for Best Animated Feature. Everything else seems about in line with my expectations.

I'm also glad that there is no host again. That format worked really well last year in my opinion. It kept a better flow and helped the ceremony move faster.


Title: Re: Oscars (nominees announced), film discussion
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 14, 2020, 02:52:03 AM
I still can't comprehend what cinematic greatness people see in Joker that eludes me.
Philips got a nomination just because he aped Scorsese good enough?
A screenplay nominated for having a message that it's ok if you are mentally and don't take your medicine and/or it's ok to kill rich people if you think they wronged you?


Title: Re: Oscars (nominees announced), film discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on January 14, 2020, 04:36:37 AM
I still can't comprehend what cinematic greatness people see in Joker that eludes me.
Philips got a nomination just because he aped Scorsese good enough?
A screenplay nominated for having a message that it's ok if you are mentally and don't take your medicine and/or it's ok to kill rich people if you think they wronged you?
First off, let me just say that I think Joker is a fairly good and well-made movie, but that I also think it's overrated relative to the massive hype. So I wouldn't say I'm an unobjective fanboy.

- Phoenix gives a GREAT performance

- The score and cinematography are very good

JOKER SPOILERS BELOW (no major spoilers but "medium" spoilers)
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Title: Re: Oscars (nominees announced), film discussion
Post by: GoTfan on January 14, 2020, 04:54:26 AM
I have only seen 'Marriage Story' and 'The Irishman' of all the nominees...and 'How To train Your Dragon 3,' so I don't have too many stakes in this year's ceremony. All I can say is that I'm surprised that the Academy didn't give a shock Best Actor nod to Adam Sandler in 'Uncut Gems' and that 'Frozen II' didn't get nominated for Best Animated Feature. Everything else seems about in line with my expectations.

I'm also glad that there is no host again. That format worked really well last year in my opinion. It kept a better flow and helped the ceremony move faster.

Nostalgia Critic made a video a while back that even on the rare occasion Sandler makes a good film, he gets no consideration for it because important people feel like they have to hate it.

That's a skin-deep reading at best though, so take it with a grain of salt.


Title: Re: Oscars (nominees announced), film discussion
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 14, 2020, 04:54:31 AM
Joker's only deserved nominations are Phoenix, art direction, and cinematography. Even the much praised score is generic tripe IMHO. I couldn't remember a single note the moment I left the theater.

Arthur becomes the hero by default because every other character in the movie is a horrible human being (which is another one of my big problems with the film).

And when it comes to politics Phillips wants to eat his cake and have it too. On one hand he clearly has a political message, even if it's presented in a superficial and heavy-handed way, but on the other he has Arthur declaring that he is just an apolitical clown.  


Title: Re: Oscars (nominees announced), film discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on January 14, 2020, 05:10:22 AM
And when it comes to politics Phillips wants to eat his cake and have it too. On one hand he clearly has a political message, even if it's presented in a superficial and heavy-handed way, but on the other he has Arthur declaring that he is just an apolitical clown.  
I picked up Joker on Bluray last week and watched the special features. Phillips claims that his singular vision was to show how a guy like Joker can become Joker in a completely real character study devoid of fantasy or comic elements. There are very clearly political themes and messages in the movie, but IF we take Phillips at his word, this message isn't important to him outside of the fact that it best serves his stated goal. He even specifically states in one of the special features that he "wasn't trying to make a political commentary".


Title: Re: Oscars (nominees announced), film discussion
Post by: LAKISYLVANIA on January 14, 2020, 06:33:51 AM
Quite a good year. Hopefully Tarantino wins some awards (did he ever win best director?), and Parasite does well, but they're guaranteed one award, that of best foreign film. I have to watch all movies except Parasite, but i'll do certainly in time.


Title: Re: Oscars (nominees announced), film discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on January 14, 2020, 06:50:02 AM
Quite a good year. Hopefully Tarantino wins some awards (did he ever win best director?), and Parasite does well, but they're guaranteed one award, that of best foreign film. I have to watch all movies except Parasite, but i'll do certainly in time.
Tarantino hasn't won Director yet, no.

The only movies since the 1950s to win Director without also winning Picture:
1967 - The Graduate
1972 - Cabaret
1981 - Reds
1989 - Born On The Fourth Of July
1998 - Saving Private Ryan
2000s - Traffic + The Pianist + Brokeback Mountain
2010s - Life Of Pi + Gravity + The Revenant + La La Land + Roma

Hollywood's the favourite to win Original Screenplay and Best Supporting Actor, so Tarantino getting at least one Oscar this year is extremely likely.


Title: Re: Oscars (nominees announced), film discussion
Post by: GoTfan on January 14, 2020, 07:24:22 AM
And when it comes to politics Phillips wants to eat his cake and have it too. On one hand he clearly has a political message, even if it's presented in a superficial and heavy-handed way, but on the other he has Arthur declaring that he is just an apolitical clown.  
I picked up Joker on Bluray last week and watched the special features. Phillips claims that his singular vision was to show how a guy like Joker can become Joker in a completely real character study devoid of fantasy or comic elements. There are very clearly political themes and messages in the movie, but IF we take Phillips at his word, this message isn't important to him outside of the fact that it best serves his stated goal. He even specifically states in one of the special features that he "wasn't trying to make a political commentary".

I would be very, very careful about taking directors at their word. How many times did Romero flip-flop on Night of the Living Dead?


Title: Re: Oscars (nominees announced), film discussion
Post by: Don Vito Corleone on January 14, 2020, 08:33:34 AM
What does the Best Director race look like?


Title: Re: Oscars (nominees announced), film discussion
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on January 14, 2020, 08:55:24 AM

Probably a toss-up between Tarantino, Bong-Joon Ho, and Mendes with the latter two being slightly favored.  Small chance that Scorsese wins here, but that means The Irishman is already winning Best Adapted Screenplay, BP, and perhaps even Best Supporting Actor.  Phillips is the only one with no shot, but the nomination is the win for him here.  

Anyway, key take-aways:

- Joker's performance is a great example of how the Academy's very weird voting system often favors relatively mainstream contenders that are still much rougher-around-the-edges than typical Oscar fare and thus have a really passionate support base in the academy...albeit one that is numerically too small to win in most categories (The Wolf of Wall Street is another great example of this sort of surprise over-performance).  Joker probably wins Best Actor and maybe Best Original Score, but nothing else.

- Marriage Story is tanking hard

- Glad De Niro didn't get a lazy (and quite undeserved) nomination

- Taika Waititi's Best Director miss means no BP win for Jojo Rabbit, but I do think it'll get Best Adapted Screenplay as a consolation prize.  As I suspected, the Academy and guilds clearly liked it far more than the critics did.  

- Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is the slight BP frontrunner

- Parasite doesn't have the below the line branch support to win BP imo.  It needs to win Best Ensemble (SAG) or Best Picture at the PGA to have any shot there.

- The 1917 surge is real and Mendes probably has a small lead for Best Director, but it depends whether more people want to reward 1917 or Parasite with a consolation prize...or if Tarantino is just running the board (less likely).  

- Frozen II missed :)

- Kitbull got nominated for best animated short :D

- Glad to see The Lighthouse get a much deserved cinematography nod

- American Factory is probably winning Best Documentry

- Really annoyed Luptia N'yongo missed for Best Actress

- Us, The Farewell, and Uncut Gems got completely shut out >:(


Title: Re: Oscars (nominees announced), film discussion
Post by: Hindsight was 2020 on January 14, 2020, 09:55:23 AM
I can’t believe I would ever say this but Adam Sandler got an undeserved Oscar snub


Title: Re: Oscars (nominees announced), film discussion
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on January 14, 2020, 06:36:11 PM
I have only seen 'Marriage Story' and 'The Irishman' of all the nominees...and 'How To train Your Dragon 3,' so I don't have too many stakes in this year's ceremony. All I can say is that I'm surprised that the Academy didn't give a shock Best Actor nod to Adam Sandler in 'Uncut Gems' and that 'Frozen II' didn't get nominated for Best Animated Feature. Everything else seems about in line with my expectations.

I'm also glad that there is no host again. That format worked really well last year in my opinion. It kept a better flow and helped the ceremony move faster.

Nostalgia Critic made a video a while back that even on the rare occasion Sandler makes a good film, he gets no consideration for it because important people feel like they have to hate it.

That's a skin-deep reading at best though, so take it with a grain of salt.

It's true. Nine out of ten times Adam Sandler pisses me off and I hate most of his movies and his entire lazy process and reasoning for making them (at least most of the ones from 2000 on, starting with 'Little Nicky,' I liked most of his 1990's comedies) but when he acts in a movie where a real director can get a good performance out of him, he really can be great. 'Punch-Drunk Love' and 'The Meyerowitz Stories' come to mind. I haven't seen 'Uncut Gems' but the directors of that film, the Safdi Brothers, directed 'Good Time' and seem to have very unique visions. A good director can work wonders for an unconventional actor. Tyler Perry was actually very good in 'Gone Girl' to give another example, even though he is atrocious in his own films.

 I fully believe that Sandler was great in the film, and I hope to see it at some point, but it is possible that wanting to give him an accolade for it dredges up memories of 'Jack and Jill.' I almost can't blame them, though he should earn some credit for being able to be a quality part of quality films from time to time.


Title: Re: Oscars (nominees announced), film discussion
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 14, 2020, 07:30:25 PM
It's the same thing that happened to Jim Carrey when he gave some good performances in  quality movies. The Oscars snubbed him because voters were thinking about "Ace Ventura" and "Dumb and Dumber".


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on January 16, 2020, 02:28:33 AM
Okay, so we all know for sure who the nominees are now. Anybody want to share their predictions?


Post-Nominations Pre-PGA Pre-BAFTA Oscar Predictions

I was going to wait until after the BAFTAs to do final predictions, but I want to do a third one now and the post-BAFTAs one will be my fourth and final predictions. This is what I PREDICT, not what I'm hoping or cheering for. Otherwise Parasite would have won Original Screenplay and Best Picture and Florence Pugh and Adam Driver would win their acting categories.

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BEST PICTURE
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

BEST DIRECTOR
1917

BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
The Irishman

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BEST ACTOR
Joker - Joaquin Phoenix

BEST ACTRESS
Judy - Renee Zellweger

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood - Brad Pitt

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Marriage Story - Laura Dern

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

BEST INTERNATIONAL FEATURE
Parasite

BEST ANIMATED FEATURE
Toy Story 4

BEST DOCUMENTARY FEATURE
American Factory

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY
1917

BEST VISUAL EFFECTS
The Irishman

BEST EDITING
Parasite

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

BEST PRODUCTION DESIGN
Once Upon A Time In Holywood

BEST COSTUME DESIGN
Little Women

BEST MAKEUP & HAIRSTYLING
Bombshell

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

BEST SOUND EDITING
1917

BEST SOUND MIXING
1917

BEST ORIGINAL SCORE
Joker

BEST ORIGINAL SONG
Rocketman - (I'm Gonna) Love Me Again

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

BEST LIVE ACTION SHORT FILM
Brotherhood

BEST ANIMATED SHORT FILM
Hair Love

BEST DOCUMENTARY SHORT SUBJECT
Learning To Skateboard In A Warzone (If You're A Girl)

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- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

4 Oscars - Once Upon A Time In Hollywood, 1917
2 Oscars - Parasite, The Irishman, Joker
1 Oscar  - Marriage Story, Little Women, Judy, Bombshell, Rocketman
... and 1 Oscar each to winners of Animated, Documentary and the 3 short film categories

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Title: Re: Oscar Race - 1917, Joker, Irishman, Parasite or Once Upon A Time In Hollywood?
Post by: T'Chenka on January 19, 2020, 08:09:17 AM
1917 was awarded Best Picture last night by the Producer's Guild. This increases the odds that 1917 will win at the Oscars, as they both tend to pick the same film for Best Picture (in the last few decades) about 65% of the time.


Title: Re: Oscar Race - 1917, Joker, Irishman, Parasite or Once Upon A Time In Hollywood?
Post by: Meclazine for Israel on January 19, 2020, 05:24:28 PM
Same as yours except 1917 as Best Picture.

Cinematography is correct.

Has Brad Pitt ever won an Oscar.

It's a shame Lighthouse was snubbed.



Title: Re: Oscar Race - 1917, Joker, Irishman, Parasite or Once Upon A Time In Hollywood?
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on January 19, 2020, 05:51:52 PM
Same as yours except 1917 as Best Picture.

Cinematography is correct.

Has Brad Pitt ever won an Oscar.

It's a shame Lighthouse was snubbed.



Brad Pitt won Best Picture; he was one of the producers of 12 Years Slave.


Title: Re: Oscar Race - 1917, Joker, Irishman, Parasite or Once Upon A Time In Hollywood?
Post by: T'Chenka on January 19, 2020, 10:09:43 PM
Phoenix, Zellweger, Pitt and Dern won the four Oscar-equivelant acting categories tonight at the Screen Actors Guild awards. All four of thenm also won Golden Globes and countless smaller awards this year as well.

I think it's safe to say they'll probably win the 4 acting awards at the Oscars, which puts even more intrigue and focus on Original Screenplay, Adapted Screenplay, Director and Picture.

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EDIT - The biggest award of the night, "Outstanding Performance By A Cast In A Motion Picture" went to Parasite (!!!). If you look back at the last 20+ years, any movie that doesn't win the PGA (which was 1917 this year) but still wants to win Best Picture at the Oscars usually needs to win DGA (coming Saturday) or this award.

Last week it was looking like Once Upon A Time In Hollywood was "in the lead", but this weekend 1917 and Parasitr both gained lots of momentum. It's really a three way race now. This weekend has been bad news for people hoping for an Irishman win this year. It's more of a long shot every day.


Title: Re: Oscar Race - 1917, Joker, Irishman, Parasite or Once Upon A Time In Hollywood?
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on January 20, 2020, 08:29:25 AM
Phoenix, Zellweger, Pitt and Dern won the four Oscar-equivelant acting categories tonight at the Screen Actors Guild awards. All four of thenm also won Golden Globes and countless smaller awards this year as well.

I think it's safe to say they'll probably win the 4 acting awards at the Oscars, which puts even more intrigue and focus on Original Screenplay, Adapted Screenplay, Director and Picture.

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EDIT - The biggest award of the night, "Outstanding Performance By A Cast In A Motion Picture" went to Parasite (!!!). If you look back at the last 20+ years, any movie that doesn't win the PGA (which was 1917 this year) but still wants to win Best Picture at the Oscars usually needs to win DGA (coming Saturday) or this award.

Last week it was looking like Once Upon A Time In Hollywood was "in the lead", but this weekend 1917 and Parasitr both gained lots of momentum. It's really a three way race now. This weekend has been bad news for people hoping for an Irishman win this year. It's more of a long shot every day.

I still say Parasite is a long-shot and it’s a two-way race between 1917 and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.


Title: Re: Oscar Race - 1917, Joker, Irishman, Parasite or Once Upon A Time In Hollywood?
Post by: T'Chenka on January 20, 2020, 10:10:18 PM
Phoenix, Zellweger, Pitt and Dern won the four Oscar-equivelant acting categories tonight at the Screen Actors Guild awards. All four of thenm also won Golden Globes and countless smaller awards this year as well.

I think it's safe to say they'll probably win the 4 acting awards at the Oscars, which puts even more intrigue and focus on Original Screenplay, Adapted Screenplay, Director and Picture.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

EDIT - The biggest award of the night, "Outstanding Performance By A Cast In A Motion Picture" went to Parasite (!!!). If you look back at the last 20+ years, any movie that doesn't win the PGA (which was 1917 this year) but still wants to win Best Picture at the Oscars usually needs to win DGA (coming Saturday) or this award.

Last week it was looking like Once Upon A Time In Hollywood was "in the lead", but this weekend 1917 and Parasitr both gained lots of momentum. It's really a three way race now. This weekend has been bad news for people hoping for an Irishman win this year. It's more of a long shot every day.

I still say Parasite is a long-shot and it’s a two-way race between 1917 and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
I'm not saying I agree with this, but I've seen sone Reddit chatter today that Once Upon A Time In Hollywood is now the distant third after losing both the PGA award and the SAG ensemble award to 1917 and Parasite respectively.

https://www.reddit.com/r/oscarrace/comments/erg976/is_once_upon_a_time_in_hollywood_out_of_the_best/


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on January 21, 2020, 01:16:57 AM
EXTREMELY Early 2021 Best Picture talk (Jan 2020)

The Oscars are almost here and I thought I would share which 2020 films I think will be going to the 2021 Oscars next year. Obviously at this point, this is impossible to predict and just for fun. Both lists are in alphabetical order.


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5 films most likely to be top contenders for BEST PICTURE
Bernstein (Bradley Cooper)
Mank (David Fincher) ... (Netflix)
Nightmare Alley (Guillermo Del Toro)
The French Dispatch (Wes Anderson)
The Last Duel (Ridley Scott)

15 films most likely to get in to BEST PICTURE or almost get in
Ammonite (Francis Lee)
Blonde (Andrew Dominik)... (Netflix)
Da 5 Bloods (Spike Lee)... (Netflix)
Dune (Denis Villeneuve)
In The Heights (Jon M. Chu)
News Of The World (Paul Greengrass)
Next Goal Wins (Taika Waititi)
Nomadland (Chloe Zhao)
On The Rocks (Sofia Coppola)... (Apple Plus)
Respect (Liesl Tommy)
Stillwater (Tom McCarthy)
Tenet (Christopher Nolan)
The Last Thing He Wanted (Dee Rees)... (Netflix)
The Trial Of The Chicago 7 (Aaron Sorkin)
West Side Story (Steven Spielberg)


Title: Re: Oscar Race - 1917, Parasite or Once Upon A Time In Hollywood? (+film discussion)
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on January 21, 2020, 08:51:41 AM
The Last Thing He Ever Wanted is a The Accountant-type commercial thriller, not an awards play.  Also, I keep reading rumors that The Last Duel has some really gross/problematic gender politics (specifically regarding a rape scene).  I mean, it was written by Matt Damon and Ben Affleck, but IIRC the initial script somehow raised so many eyebrows (in Hollywood, so that tells you how bad it was) that the studio pressured them to hire a female co-screenwriter to help clean it up.  Did she succeed?  We’ll see, but I don’t know that I’d call it a top-tier BP contender until we know how this likely controversy shakes out. 


Title: Re: Oscar Race - 1917, Parasite or Once Upon A Time In Hollywood? (+film discussion)
Post by: T'Chenka on January 22, 2020, 03:47:20 AM
The Last Thing He Ever Wanted is a The Accountant-type commercial thriller, not an awards play.  Also, I keep reading rumors that The Last Duel has some really gross/problematic gender politics (specifically regarding a rape scene).  I mean, it was written by Matt Damon and Ben Affleck, but IIRC the initial script somehow raised so many eyebrows (in Hollywood, so that tells you how bad it was) that the studio pressured them to hire a female co-screenwriter to help clean it up.  Did she succeed?  We’ll see, but I don’t know that I’d call it a top-tier BP contender until we know how this likely controversy shakes out.  
Thanks for this info, all very interesting.


The one's I'm most excited for are NIGHTMARE ALLEY and THE FRENCH DISPATCH. The amount of talent in each movie is crazy.


NIGHTMARE ALLEY
- Guillermo Del Toro (director, co-writer)
- Bradley Cooper
- Toni Colette
- Cate Blanchett
- Willam Dafoe
- Roonie Mara
- Richard Jenkins (not confirmed)
- Ron Perlman (not confirmed)


THE FRENCH DISPATCH
- Wes Anderson (director, writer)
- Frances McDormand
- Bill Murray
- Tilda Swinton
- Timothy Chalamet
- Saoirse Ronan
- Willam Dafoe
- Kate Winslet
- Benicio Del Toro
- Christoph Waltz
- Adrian Brody
- Jeffrey Wright
- Owen Wilson
- Henry Winkler
- Lea Seydoux
- Jason Schwartzman
- Bob Babalan
- Fisher Stevens


Title: Re: Oscar Race - 1917, Parasite or Once Upon A Time In Hollywood? (+film discussion)
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on January 23, 2020, 05:12:37 PM
And now it's time to play If I had an Oscar Ballot...

Note #1: I considered Willem Dafoe (The Lighthouse) and Anthony Hopkins (The Two Popes) co-leads in their respective films.

Note #2: I still haven't seen Clemency, Richard Jewell, The Kingmaker, American Dharma, or One Child Nation

Best Picture
1. Marriage Story
2. Jojo Rabbit
3. 1917
4. Uncut Gems
5. The Report
6. Us
7. Ford v Ferrari
8. Booksmart
9. Joker
10. Pet Sematary

Best Actor
1. Roman Griffin Davis - Jojo Rabbit
2. Adam Driver - The Report

3. Adam Sandler - Uncut Gems
4. Willem Dafoe - The Lighthouse
5. Joaquin Phoenix - Joker

Best Actress
1. Lupita Nyong’o - Us

2. Elisabeth Moss - Her Smell
3. Scarlett Johansson - Marriage Story
4. Aisling Franciosi - The Nightingale
5. Saoirse Ronan - Little Women

Best Director
1. 1917
2. Uncut Gems
3. Marriage Story
4. Us
5. Jojo Rabbit

Best Adapted Screenplay
1. Jojo Rabbit
2. The Farewell
3. The Report
4. Joker
5. Pet Sematary


Best Original Screenplay
1. Marriage Story
2. Booksmart
3. Us
4. Parasite
5. Honey Boy

Best Supporting Actor
1. Sam Clafin - The Nightingale

2. Brad Pitt - Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

3. Baykali Ganambarr - The Nightingale
4. Ray Liotta - Marriage Story


5. Bill Hader - IT: Chapter 2

Best Supporting Actress
1. Amy Seimetz - Pet Sematary
2. Laura Dern - Marriage Story
3. Jeté Laurence - Pet Sematary
4. Zhao Shuzhen - The Farewell

5. Rebecca Ferguson - Doctor Sleep

Best Animated Film
1. Toy Story 4
2. Invader Zim: Enter the Florpus!
3. The Lego Movie: The Second Part

4. I Lost My Body
5. Frozen II  

Best Documentary
1. American Factory
2. Where’s My Roy Cohn?
3. Honeyland
4. Fyre
5. Hail Satan?

Best Foreign Film
1. Parasite (South Korea)
2. Les Misérables (France)

3. Honeyland (North Macedonia)
4. Tel Aviv on Fire (Luxembourg)
5. Pain and Glory (Spain)

Best Original Score
1. 1917
2. Joker
3. Us
4. The Lighthouse
5. IT: Chapter 2

Best Original Song
1. (I’m Gonna) Love Me Again - Rocketman
2. Stand Up - Harriet
3. Speechless - Aladdin
4. The Hide and Seek Song - Ready Or Not
5. The Buddi Song - Child’s Play

Best Film Editing
1. Ford v Ferrari

2. The Report
3. 1917
4. Uncut Gems
5. Us

Best Cinematography
1. 1917
2. The Lighthouse
3. Midsommar
4. Ford v Ferrari
5. Jojo Rabbit

Best Visual Effects
1. The Irishman
2. Shazam!

3. The Lion King
4. Pet Sematary
5. Detective Pikachu

Best Sound Editing
1. Ford v Ferrari
2. Shazam!
3. Child’s Play

4. Pet Sematary
5. Us

Best Sound Mixing
1. 1917
2. Ford v Ferrari
3. Uncut Gems
4. Rocketman
5. Pet Sematary

Best Makeup
1. Bombshell
2. Us
3. Pet Sematary
4. Child’s Play
5. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

Best Art Direction
1. Doctor Sleep
2. A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood
3. Parasite
4. 1917
5. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

Best Costume Design
1. Rocketman
2. The Two Popes
3. The Nightingale
4. 
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
5. Midsommar


Title: Re: Oscar Race - 1917, Parasite or Once Upon A Time In Hollywood? (+film discussion)
Post by: T'Chenka on January 25, 2020, 04:07:40 PM
We've got some more awards shows tonight that might hint towards where certain Oscar categories are going. I'll come back and edit this post with the winners of relevant categories.

Director's Guild Awards
- Best Director - 1917

Annie Awards
- Best Animated Feature - Klaus
- Best Animated Short - (not one of the Oscar nominees)


American Society Of Cinematographers Awards
- Best Cinematography - 1917

Cinema Audio Society Awards
- Best Sound Editing - Ford V Ferrari
- Best Sound Mixing - Ford V Ferrari


Title: Re: Oscar Race - 1917, Parasite or Once Upon A Time In Hollywood? (+film discussion)
Post by: HillGoose on January 25, 2020, 05:23:35 PM
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood is probably one of my top 3 movies of all time. that sh**t banged.


Title: Re: Oscar Race - 1917, Parasite or Once Upon A Time In Hollywood? (+film discussion)
Post by: T'Chenka on January 25, 2020, 08:10:38 PM
I'm watching The Lighthouse again right now. What an absolute f__king disgrace that the Oscars didn't nominate Willam Dafoe for Best Supporting Actor. Dafoe is the most deserving nominee out of all of them, followed by Hanks and Hopkins. Pitt, Pesce and to a lesser extent Pacino were good, but not as good as the hype in my eyes.


Title: Re: Oscar Race - 1917, Parasite or Once Upon A Time In Hollywood? (+film discussion)
Post by: Sprouts Farmers Market ✘ on January 26, 2020, 12:46:29 PM
Where does SNL get off calling something as beautiful as "The Irishman" a white male rage movie? Where did such lack of taste/absolute derangement come from? Do these 'comedians' just get pleasure from irking everybody? I really fail to understand this culture.

The Irishman should be co-movie of the decade


Title: Re: Oscar Race - 1917, Parasite or Once Upon A Time In Hollywood? (+film discussion)
Post by: T'Chenka on January 26, 2020, 03:55:11 PM
Where does SNL get off calling something as beautiful as "The Irishman" a white male rage movie? Where did such lack of taste/absolute derangement come from? Do these 'comedians' just get pleasure from irking everybody? I really fail to understand this culture.

The Irishman should be co-movie of the decade
It's SNL... don't they usually just poke fun at things? I don't see a problem unless they're being 100% serious.


Title: Re: Oscar Race - 1917, Parasite or Once Upon A Time In Hollywood? (+film discussion)
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on January 27, 2020, 07:17:26 PM
Where does SNL get off calling something as beautiful as "The Irishman" a white male rage movie? Where did such lack of taste/absolute derangement come from? Do these 'comedians' just get pleasure from irking everybody? I really fail to understand this culture.

The Irishman should be co-movie of the decade
It's SNL... don't they usually just poke fun at things? I don't see a problem unless they're being 100% serious.

I don't think they were.


Title: Re: Oscar Race - 1917, Parasite or Once Upon A Time In Hollywood? (+film discussion)
Post by: Sprouts Farmers Market ✘ on January 27, 2020, 07:30:37 PM
Where does SNL get off calling something as beautiful as "The Irishman" a white male rage movie? Where did such lack of taste/absolute derangement come from? Do these 'comedians' just get pleasure from irking everybody? I really fail to understand this culture.

The Irishman should be co-movie of the decade
It's SNL... don't they usually just poke fun at things? I don't see a problem unless they're being 100% serious.

I don't think they were.

I watched the episode in context last night, and it was fine. The Twitter excerpt singled out just The Joker and The Irishman without poking fun at every nominee and the whole academy. I didn't think it deserves to be singled out in a way that wholly misunderstands such a beautiful and touching plot.

The initial outlook more like the deranged Robert Mueller Christmas song obsessed subculture that is only remotely humorous to a very tiny slice of the population.


Title: Re: Oscar Race - 1917, Parasite or Once Upon A Time In Hollywood? (+film discussion)
Post by: T'Chenka on January 28, 2020, 01:56:57 AM
THE GENTLEMEN (no spoilers)

PROS
- Good cast of characters
- Good comedic moments
- Hugh Grant and Colin Farrell were great
- Constant fast pace makes it never boring

CONS
- Action was okay but not great, not a huge amount
- If movie slowed a bit you'd care for the characters more
- Plot was complex therefore slightly hard to follow (not too bad though)
- Henry Golding and Charlie Hunham characters slightly 2-dimensional

OVERALL SCORE - B plus (almost a B but slightly better)


Title: Re: Oscar Race - 1917, Parasite or Once Upon A Time In Hollywood? (+film discussion)
Post by: T'Chenka on January 29, 2020, 03:35:55 AM
Tonight was the Costume Designers Guild Awards

Excellence In Period Film - Jojo Rabbit
Excellence In Contemporary Film - Knives Out
Excellence In Sci-Fi / Fantasy Film - Maleficent: Mistress Of Evil

All 5 of the Oscar nominees for Best Costume Design are period films. Little Women was the favourite before tonight, with Once Upon A Time In Hollywood looking like a strong second choice and with The Irishman and Jojo Rabbit in the mix. The fifth nominee was Joker, which a lot of people were shocked by, as Dolemite Is My Name was snubbed. To a lesser extent, Rocketman and Downton Abbey were expected to possibly make the cut, but did not.

The new situation looks like Jojo Rabbit or Little Women will win, with Once Upon A Time In Hollywood or The Irishman being potential surprise wins and Joker still being the least likely to win.


Title: Re: Oscar Race - 1917, Parasite or Once Upon A Time In Hollywood? (+film discussion)
Post by: T'Chenka on January 29, 2020, 03:44:24 AM
Watching Parasite for the second time ever, this time in my living room. I forgot how good the cinematography was and also some of the acting performances (KIM FATHER! PARK MOTHER! Kim mother, Kim son, Park father, housemaid).

Noticed in the dialogue 3 times:

"It's so metaphorical."
"This is so metaphorical."
"It's so metaphorical".

To steal a line from a movie review I read: "Another Bong Hit!"


Title: Re: Oscar Race - 1917, Parasite or Once Upon A Time In Hollywood? (+film discussion)
Post by: T'Chenka on February 02, 2020, 09:23:39 AM
Parasite wins Original Screenplay and Jojo Rabbit wins Adapted Screenplay at the Writers Guild Awards.

Here's how the three big categories that you need at least one win from the get Best Picture (95% of the time anyways) are shaping up...

DIRECTOR
1917 (or Parasite)

ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
Hollywood or Parasite (or Marriage Story)

ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
Little Women or Jojo Rabbit (or The Irishman)


NOMINATED, VERY UNLIKELY TO WIN
- Joker (Director & Adapted Screenplay)

NOT NOMINATED, ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT WIN
- Ford V Ferrari


So, if we want to look at paths to winning Best Picture, we have...

1917 (Easier Path) - Director
1917 (Harder Path) - Original Screenplay

PARASITE (Easier Path) - Original Screenplay
PARASITE (Harder Path) - Director

HOLLYWOOD (Easier Path) - Original Screenplay
HOLLYWOOD (Harder Path) - Director

THE IRISHMAN (Easier Path) - Adapted Screenplay
THE IRISHMAN (Harder Path) - Director

JOJO RABBIT - Adapted Screenplay

LITTLE WOMEN - Adapted Screenplay

MARRIAGE STORY - Original Screenplay

JOKER (Easier Path) - Adapted Screenplay
JOKER (Harder Path) - Director


FORD V FERRARI - has no path to Best Picture


Title: Re: Academy Awards (and awards season) discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on February 02, 2020, 10:03:09 PM
BAFTA Awards results (Oscar-relevant categories)

This is it. Next and final awards ceremony is the Academy Awards on Sunday @ 8PM Eastern.

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BEST PICTURE
1917

BEST DIRECTOR
1917

BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
Parasite

BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
Jojo Rabbit

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BEST ACTOR
Joker - Joaquin Phoenix

BEST ACTRESS
Judy - Renee Zellweger

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood - Brad Pitt

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Marriage Story - Laura Dern

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BEST INTERNATIONAL FEATURE
Parasite

BEST ANIMATED FEATURE
Klaus

BEST DOCUMENTARY FEATURE
For Sama

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BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY
1917

BEST VISUAL EFFECTS
1917

BEST EDITING
Ford V Ferrari

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BEST PRODUCTION DESIGN
1917

BEST COSTUME DESIGN
Little Women

BEST MAKEUP & HAIRSTYLING
Bombshell

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BEST SOUND EDITING
1917

BEST SOUND MIXING
1917

BEST ORIGINAL SCORE
Joker

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Title: Re: Oscars TONIGHT! - 1917 or Parasite?
Post by: Orser67 on February 09, 2020, 11:43:18 AM
I still haven't seen all of the BP nominees, but I'm rooting for 1917. I really enjoyed the personal journeys of the two main characters, as well as what the film had to say about WW1. I was worried that the continuous shot thing would be distracting, but I actually loved the results and thought that the film had great pacing.

I thought Parasite was a really good film that had a lot of interesting things to say about economic inequality, but I never truly connected with the characters and I think that there were some things that maybe I didn't quite understand due to cultural barriers. Supposedly they're planning for a miniseries, and I'm looking forward to watching that.

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood had cool characters, a fun setting, great production values, etc., but the movie had no plot. It was fun to watch but I hope it doesn't win. It's basically Tarantino's version of an Oscar-bait film.

Marriage Story is the movie I connected with most, and is probably my co-favorite with 1917 (in fact, they're probably my favorite movies since 2016's Manchester By the Sea). I thought it did a great job of showing the breakdown of a marriage from both POVs and it really made me and my significant other think about stuff.

The Irishman documented an interesting period in history and was a fun return to Casino/Goodfellas. That said, it was way too long and De Niro really didn't work for me as a guy who was supposed to be in his 30s.

Ford vs. Ferrari is the ultimate dad movie. It definitely shouldn't win Best Picture (and it won't), but the movie is basically the best possible version of itself, and I couldn't ask for anything more (well, I wouldn't mind if it were just a little shorter).

I'm really looking forward to watching Jojo Rabbit. I'll probably watch Joker at some point, but I'm not sure if I'll ever catch Little Women (though it does have a great cast and I'm a fan of Greta Gerwig).

Other than the BP nominees, my favorite movies of the year was probably Avengers: Endgame; I also liked The Report (which I highly recommend to the political junkies on this forum), The Two Popes, Rise of Skywalker, Captain Marvel, Rocketman, Dolemite Is My Name, and The King. I'm really looking forward to watching Knives Out, Uncut Gems, and The Farewell.


Title: Re: Oscars TONIGHT! - 1917 or Parasite?
Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on February 09, 2020, 03:10:26 PM
I finally saw Parasite. It's my new personal favorite movie of the year, edging out Jojo Rabbit, and unlike Jojo Rabbit I can actually see it winning best picture because 1. it has the ever-elusive quality of "buzz" and 2. it's less funny (although still very funny, at least in the first half) and the Academy is allergic to comedy. I think it's fair to say that it's not necessarily a character-driven movie as such, but not everything has to be; thrillers aren't a genre that (usually; something like Notorious would be an exception) can afford to luxuriate in meticulous character-building the way something like Marriage Story (or even 1917 with its see-sawing between gory trauma and rural idylls) can.


Title: Re: Oscars TONIGHT! - 1917 or Parasite?
Post by: T'Chenka on February 09, 2020, 04:29:22 PM
I finally saw Parasite. It's my new personal favorite movie of the year, edging out Jojo Rabbit, and unlike Jojo Rabbit I can actually see it winning best picture because 1. it has the ever-elusive quality of "buzz" and 2. it's less funny (although still very funny, at least in the first half) and the Academy is allergic to comedy. I think it's fair to say that it's not necessarily a character-driven movie as such, but not everything has to be; thrillers aren't a genre that (usually; something like Notorious would be an exception) can afford to luxuriate in meticulous character-building the way something like Marriage Story (or even 1917 with its see-sawing between gory trauma and rural idylls) can.
Despite the characters being somewhat two-dimensional, except for maybe Mr. Kim and Kevin, the actors do a REALLY good job of implying character depth with their performances. Especially Mrs. Park which is a performance I LOVED.


Title: Re: Oscars TONIGHT! - 1917 or Parasite?
Post by: T'Chenka on February 09, 2020, 04:41:53 PM
Final Oscar Predictions

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BEST PICTURE
1917
*** I really want Parasite, but I predict 1917 ***

BEST DIRECTOR
1917 - Sam Mendes

BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
Parasite

BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
Jojo Rabbit

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BEST ACTOR
Joker - Joaquin Phoenix

BEST ACTRESS
Judy - Renee Zellweger

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood - Brad Pitt

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Marriage Story - Laura Dern
*** I really want Florence Pugh, but I predict Laura Dern ***

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BEST INTERNATIONAL FEATURE
Parasite

BEST ANIMATED FEATURE
Klaus

BEST DOCUMENTARY FEATURE
American Factory

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BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY
1917

BEST VISUAL EFFECTS
1917

BEST EDITING
Ford V Ferrari

BEST PRODUCTION DESIGN
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

BEST COSTUME DESIGN
Little Women

BEST MAKEUP & HAIRSTYLING
Bombshell

BEST SOUND EDITING
1917

BEST SOUND MIXING
1917

BEST ORIGINAL SCORE
Joker

BEST ORIGINAL SONG
Rocketman - (I'm Gonna) Love Me Again

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BEST LIVE ACTION SHORT FILM
Saria

BEST ANIMATED SHORT FILM
Kitbull

BEST DOCUMENTARY SHORT SUBJECT
Learning To Skateboard In A Warzone (If You're A Girl)

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Title: Re: Oscars TONIGHT! - 1917 or Parasite?
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on February 09, 2020, 05:46:22 PM
BEST PICTURE
1917

BEST DIRECTOR
1917 - Sam Mendes

BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
Jojo Rabbit

BEST ACTOR
Joker - Joaquin Phoenix

BEST ACTRESS
Judy - Renee Zellweger

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood - Brad Pitt

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Marriage Story - Laura Dern

BEST INTERNATIONAL FEATURE
Parasite

BEST ANIMATED FEATURE
Toy Story 4

BEST DOCUMENTARY FEATURE
American Factory

BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY
1917

BEST VISUAL EFFECTS
The Irishman

BEST EDITING
Ford V Ferrari

BEST PRODUCTION DESIGN
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

BEST COSTUME DESIGN
Little Women

BEST MAKEUP & HAIRSTYLING
Bombshell

BEST SOUND EDITING
1917

BEST SOUND MIXING
1917

BEST ORIGINAL SCORE
Joker

BEST ORIGINAL SONG
Rocketman - (I'm Gonna) Love Me Again

BEST LIVE ACTION SHORT FILM
Brotherhood

BEST ANIMATED SHORT FILM
Kitbull

BEST DOCUMENTARY SHORT SUBJECT
Learning To Skateboard In a Warzone (If You’re a Girl)


Title: Re: Oscars TONIGHT! - 1917 or Parasite?
Post by: Roblox on February 09, 2020, 06:14:44 PM

BEST PICTURE
1917

BEST DIRECTOR
1917 - Sam Mendes

BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
Parasite-Bong Jo Hoon

BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
Jojo Rabbit

BEST ACTOR
Joker - Joaquin Phoenix

BEST ACTRESS
Judy - Renee Zellweger

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood - Brad Pitt

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Marriage Story - Laura Dern

BEST INTERNATIONAL FEATURE
Parasite

BEST ANIMATED FEATURE
Toy Story 4

BEST DOCUMENTARY FEATURE
American Factory

BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY
1917

BEST VISUAL EFFECTS
The Irishman

BEST EDITING
Ford V Ferrari

BEST PRODUCTION DESIGN
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

BEST COSTUME DESIGN
Little Women

BEST MAKEUP & HAIRSTYLING
Bombshell

BEST SOUND EDITING
1917

BEST SOUND MIXING
1917

BEST ORIGINAL SCORE
Joker

BEST ORIGINAL SONG
Rocketman - (I'm Gonna) Love Me Again

BEST LIVE ACTION SHORT FILM
Brotherhood

BEST ANIMATED SHORT FILM
Kitbull

BEST DOCUMENTARY SHORT SUBJECT
Learning To Skateboard In a Warzone (If You’re a Girl)


Title: Re: Oscars TONIGHT! - 1917 or Parasite?
Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on February 09, 2020, 08:37:19 PM
I finally saw Parasite. It's my new personal favorite movie of the year, edging out Jojo Rabbit, and unlike Jojo Rabbit I can actually see it winning best picture because 1. it has the ever-elusive quality of "buzz" and 2. it's less funny (although still very funny, at least in the first half) and the Academy is allergic to comedy. I think it's fair to say that it's not necessarily a character-driven movie as such, but not everything has to be; thrillers aren't a genre that (usually; something like Notorious would be an exception) can afford to luxuriate in meticulous character-building the way something like Marriage Story (or even 1917 with its see-sawing between gory trauma and rural idylls) can.
Despite the characters being somewhat two-dimensional, except for maybe Mr. Kim and Kevin, the actors do a REALLY good job of implying character depth with their performances. Especially Mrs. Park which is a performance I LOVED.

Mrs. Park's and Ki-jeong/Jessica's actresses were both snubbed big time in the Supporting Actress category.


Title: Re: Oscars TONIGHT! - 1917 or Parasite?
Post by: T'Chenka on February 09, 2020, 10:14:36 PM
Parasite won Screenplay
Jojo Rabbit won Screenplay

Once Upon In Hollywood has now sunk to arguably 4th place (almost 3rd) behind Jojo Rabbit in "most likely to win Best Picture". It's 90% (or higher) down to 1917 and Parasite now.


Title: Re: Oscars TONIGHT! - 1917 or Parasite?
Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on February 09, 2020, 10:20:26 PM
With all the technical categories accounted for, 1917 has three Oscars; Ford v Ferrari two; and Once upon a Time in Hollywood, Little Women, and Bombshell one each within those categories.


Title: Re: Oscars TONIGHT! - 1917 or Parasite?
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on February 09, 2020, 10:53:03 PM
Parasite is gonna win :(


Title: Re: Oscars TONIGHT! - 1917 or Parasite?
Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on February 09, 2020, 10:54:01 PM

I've never really "gotten" your tastes in media, jdb.


Title: Re: Oscars TONIGHT! - 1917 or Parasite?
Post by: T'Chenka on February 09, 2020, 10:55:05 PM
Parasite gets Screenplay AND Director!!!

Best Picture is 95% guaranteed! WOW!!!

I'm so f__king happy. If I knew FOR SURE Parasite would get Best Picture, I would give Director to 1917 I think. But if this helps lock up Picture for Parasite, I'll f__king take it.


Title: Re: Oscars TONIGHT! - 1917 or Parasite?
Post by: T'Chenka on February 09, 2020, 11:01:47 PM
Have you seen it? It's fantastic.


Title: Re: Oscars TONIGHT! - 1917 or Parasite?
Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on February 09, 2020, 11:02:20 PM

My guess is he's seen it and just wasn't crazy about it; he gave it a mediocre rating in John Dule's thread.


Title: Re: Oscars TONIGHT! - 1917 or Parasite?
Post by: PSOL on February 09, 2020, 11:11:28 PM
Joaquin Phoenix’s speech was just...out there. Environmentalism isn’t the type of thing to talk about considering what the Oscar was for.


Title: Re: Oscars TONIGHT! - 1917 or Parasite?
Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on February 09, 2020, 11:12:30 PM
Joaquin Phoenix’s speech was just...out there. Environmentalism isn’t the type of thing to talk about considering what the Oscar was for.

Especially given that the particular type of environmentalist rhetoric he used was dredged from the darkest depths of Vegan Tumblr. Yeesh.


Title: Re: Oscars TONIGHT! - 1917 or Parasite?
Post by: T'Chenka on February 09, 2020, 11:22:12 PM
and HERE... WE... GO! dot gif


Title: Re: Oscars TONIGHT! - 1917 or Parasite?
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on February 09, 2020, 11:26:02 PM

Ehh, to each their own.  I'll grant you that I have both very eclectic and decidedly idiosyncratic tastes, but I don't think that's a bad thing.  I mean, just to give one example: I thought Hereditary deserved to win Best Picture...but now that Bojack Horseman has ended, I consider https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilda_(TV_series) (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilda_(TV_series)) to be by far the best TV show currently on air.  I love Tarantino's films and my favorite genre is Horror, but I also loved My Big Fat Greek Wedding and cried like a baby when I watched Wonder because it was just that powerful a film.

I saw Parasite and I liked it well enough.  In fact, I liked it enough that I paid to see it a second time.  It was fine.  Nothing amazing, but a perfectly good thriller with a bunch of unexpectedly funny moments in the first half.  However, things went off the rails a little bit after the flood and the ending (beginning with the birthday party murders) just didn't work for me at all.  Most of the characters were pretty one-note too although the script was good enough that this didn't become too big a problem.  A good comparison is Black Panther: A perfectly fine movie worth a watch that rewards a second viewing...but that I also think got waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overhyped.  

Ultimately, Parasite was good and that's not a knock on it.  However, it wasn't a great movie and there were some truly great movies this year.  It's one thing to say Parasite was a good film.  But to say Parasite was better than something liker 1917, Jojo Rabbit, Ford V Ferrari, Marriage Story, Us, Uncut Gems, etc...honestly, I find it kinda mind-boggling.  

Again though, this is all completely subjective.  I mean, you looked at Marriage Story and saw another generic artsy types cheating on each other film while I saw the fourth best film of the decade.  I looked at Parasite and saw a well above average, but ultimately forgettable thriller whereas you saw an absolutely fantastic film.  You liked Little Women and didn't like Joker; I loved Joker and almost fell asleep in the theater during Little Women.  Neither of us is right or wrong.

Joaquin Phoenix’s speech was just...out there. Environmentalism isn’t the type of thing to talk about considering what the Oscar was for.

Especially given that the particular type of environmentalist rhetoric he used was dredged from the darkest depths of Vegan Tumblr. Yeesh.

Well, at least we can agree on this :P


Title: Re: Oscars TONIGHT! - 1917 or Parasite?
Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on February 09, 2020, 11:27:11 PM
Aaaaaaaaaand Parasite goes yard. Love that journey for us! ("Us" is people who've wasted years of our lives writing academic papers on East Asian movies.)


Title: Re: Oscars TONIGHT! - 1917 or Parasite?
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on February 09, 2020, 11:31:08 PM
Congrats, #BongHive :P

Side Note: Of course, the Academy recognizes the first film by Bong Joon-Ho I've seen that I didn't absolutely love (Mother, Snowpiercer, The Host, and especially Okja were great).


Title: Re: Oscars TONIGHT! - 1917 or Parasite?
Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on February 09, 2020, 11:31:53 PM
Congrats, #BongHive :P

Side Note: Of course, the Academy recognizes the first film by Bong Joon-Ho I've seen that I didn't absolutely love (Mother, Snowpiercer, The Host, and especially Okja were great).

I haven't seen Okja yet, but Snowpiercer's a bona fide masterpiece. I might rewatch it tomorrow.


Title: Re: Oscars TONIGHT! - 1917 or Parasite?
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on February 09, 2020, 11:41:20 PM
Congrats, #BongHive :P

Side Note: Of course, the Academy recognizes the first film by Bong Joon-Ho I've seen that I didn't absolutely love (Mother, Snowpiercer, The Host, and especially Okja were great).

I haven't seen Okja yet, but Snowpiercer's a bona fide masterpiece. I might rewatch it tomorrow.

Okja was phenomenal; I think you'll like it although we seem to have pretty different tastes, so who knows?  Snowpiercer was so well done and despite how little time we got with the characters they all somehow felt soooooooo well developed.  It had some excellent twists too.


Title: Re: Oscars TONIGHT! - 1917 or Parasite?
Post by: T'Chenka on February 09, 2020, 11:50:19 PM
Congrats, #BongHive :P

Side Note: Of course, the Academy recognizes the first film by Bong Joon-Ho I've seen that I didn't absolutely love (Mother, Snowpiercer, The Host, and especially Okja were great).

I haven't seen Okja yet, but Snowpiercer's a bona fide masterpiece. I might rewatch it tomorrow.
I was disappointed by Okja other than the first act, but it was okay.

I'll admit my heresy publically here - I've never seen Snowpiercer (!) BUT I picked up a BluRay copy for very very cheap a couple if months ago. Will have to get around to watching it.


Title: Re: Oscars TONIGHT! - 1917 or Parasite?
Post by: Orser67 on February 09, 2020, 11:58:06 PM
Well, I would've voted for 1917, but Parasite was a solid film and I definitely liked it better than Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

Looking back on films released from 2010-2019, I only agreed with the Academy on the best film twice: 2013 for Twelve Year's a Slave and 2010 for the King's Speech.


Title: Re: Oscars - Parasite wins Best Picture - and film discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on February 10, 2020, 04:24:18 AM
"Best Picture" Rankings - 2010s

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Moonlight
Parasite [Gisaengchung]
Birdman (Or The Unexpected Virtue Of Ignorance)
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
The Shape Of Water
Spotlight
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
The King's Speech
12 Years A Slave
The Artist
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Green Book
Argo
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


Title: Re: Oscars TONIGHT! - 1917 or Parasite?
Post by: Meclazine for Israel on February 10, 2020, 05:08:26 AM
Well, I would've voted for 1917, but Parasite was a solid film and I definitely liked it better than Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

Looking back on films released from 2010-2019, I only agreed with the Academy on the best film twice: 2013 for Twelve Year's a Slave and 2010 for the King's Speech.

Yup. Similar. Out of the list, 1917 was simply more enjoyable. I thought Parasite was good, but fell away slightly towards the end.

Would have given it to Midsommar to be honest.

And Lighthouse should have been nominated.

Having films of that quality missing out is a sign of a healthy and fertile movie production pipeline.


Title: Re: Oscars - Parasite wins Best Picture - and film discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on February 10, 2020, 05:53:08 AM
Hahahahahahahahahaha

This guy yells and screams about how Joker should have won Best Picture and how Parasite isn't deserving, but then admits on camera that he hasn't seen Parasite and doesn't even know what it's about. The like to dislike ratio on the video is hilarious, as is the comments section.

https://youtu.be/lTr6sYWWCNI


Title: Re: Oscars - Parasite wins Best Picture - and film discussion
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on February 10, 2020, 11:15:40 AM
Parasite!! :D

If you haven't seen it yet, I highly recommend doing so.


Title: Re: Oscars TONIGHT! - 1917 or Parasite?
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on February 10, 2020, 01:48:41 PM
Joaquin Phoenix’s speech was just...out there. Environmentalism isn’t the type of thing to talk about considering what the Oscar was for.

Especially given that the particular type of environmentalist rhetoric he used was dredged from the darkest depths of Vegan Tumblr. Yeesh.

You can tell he's genuinely passionate about it, and it's not just the thing he cares about because it's the trendy and popular thing to care about while preaching to the choir of 90% of the people in the room.  So I didn't mind it compared to most political Oscar speeches.

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I thought "Stand Up" was going to win for best song. "Glory" was another black history themed song that won a few years ago that wasn't nearly as musically engaging or lyrically powerful.  As someone who likes a lot of Elton John's stuff, "Love Me Again" doesn't do it for me, though tbf I haven't seen the movie so I can't judge it within the context.


Not sure how much I want to see a movie called "Parasite,"  sometimes I get grossed out easily.


Title: Re: Oscars TONIGHT! - 1917 or Parasite?
Post by: T'Chenka on February 10, 2020, 02:10:51 PM
Not sure how much I want to see a movie called "Parasite,"  sometimes I get grossed out easily.
It's meant in a social / political way and not a biological / sci-fi way. There are no disgusting worms inside if people's bodies or anything remotely like that.


Title: Re: Oscars TONIGHT! - 1917 or Parasite?
Post by: Orser67 on February 10, 2020, 02:18:18 PM
Joaquin Phoenix’s speech was just...out there. Environmentalism isn’t the type of thing to talk about considering what the Oscar was for.

Especially given that the particular type of environmentalist rhetoric he used was dredged from the darkest depths of Vegan Tumblr. Yeesh.

You can tell he's genuinely passionate about it, and it's not just the thing he cares about because it's the trendy and popular thing to care about while preaching to the choir of 90% of the people in the room.  So I didn't mind it compared to most political Oscar speeches.

I agree. His views are a bit out there for me, but I respect that he seems to really hold those beliefs and isn't just virtue signaling.


Title: Re: Oscars - Parasite wins Best Picture - and film discussion
Post by: Roblox on February 10, 2020, 02:20:45 PM
So happy Parasite won. Also I kinda liked Joaquin's speech. I honestly preferred his earnest rambling to 99% of pre-prepared acceptance speeches delivered with perfection.


Title: Re: Oscars - Parasite wins Best Picture - and film discussion
Post by: Orser67 on February 10, 2020, 05:10:22 PM
In light of Parasite's win, I hope that the Academy starts to think about establishing a "Best American film" category; BAFTA has a similar category (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAFTA_Award_for_Outstanding_British_Film) for Best British film. I think that would be a good way of ensuring both that American films continue to be recognized by the Academy and that international films are not penalized in the Best Picture category.


Title: Re: Oscars - Parasite wins Best Picture - and film discussion
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on February 10, 2020, 07:13:30 PM
I didn't watch the Academy Awards last night, but I did look up the results as soon as they were over. I can't say that there were many surprises outside of 'Parasite' absolutely cleaning up! I never thought that the Academy would award it for both Best Picture and Best International Picture. Good for it and those who worked on it though! I especially want to congratulate Bong on winning best Director too, he had some very stiff, well-established competition this year. I want to see it even more than I already did, it's one of the few movies where I haven't heard a single complain about it, and I loved 'The Host' and 'Snowpiercer' so I expect to love 'Parasite' as well. I also knew that this forum would be more than pleased by that.

Overall it seems as if every major nominee went home with at least something though, the Academy always seems to try and do that, and this wasn't much of an exception. 'The Irishman' did go home empty-handed though. I wasn't rooting against it, as underwhelmed as I was by it, but I am somewhat relieved that it didn't win for Best Editing, that one would have irked me.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: T'Chenka on February 12, 2020, 03:19:40 AM
I saw UNCUT GEMS the other day and it was really good. I give it 4/5 stars. Cinematography wasn't "really good" per se, but it was really unique, like the sound design and the whole movie overall actually.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on February 12, 2020, 07:11:43 PM
I saw UNCUT GEMS the other day and it was really good. I give it 4/5 stars. Cinematography wasn't "really good" per se, but it was really unique, like the sound design and the whole movie overall actually.

Did you ever see 'Good Time?' The previous film by these director brothers.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: T'Chenka on February 12, 2020, 11:08:26 PM
I saw UNCUT GEMS the other day and it was really good. I give it 4/5 stars. Cinematography wasn't "really good" per se, but it was really unique, like the sound design and the whole movie overall actually.

Did you ever see 'Good Time?' The previous film by these director brothers.
I saw Good Time, and honestly I was underwhelmed. I really appreciated many different aspects of it, but the plot kind of fell apart for me in the second half.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on February 13, 2020, 06:49:54 PM
I saw UNCUT GEMS the other day and it was really good. I give it 4/5 stars. Cinematography wasn't "really good" per se, but it was really unique, like the sound design and the whole movie overall actually.

Did you ever see 'Good Time?' The previous film by these director brothers.
I saw Good Time, and honestly I was underwhelmed. I really appreciated many different aspects of it, but the plot kind of fell apart for me in the second half.

I see. I for one liked it, but it didn't really stick with me. The most notable thing to me about it was that it proved that Robert Pattinson can be a good actor. I always thought so but people then still point to the 'Twilight' series as a rebuttal.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: T'Chenka on February 13, 2020, 10:56:41 PM
The new Wes Anderson film "The French Dispatch" has one of the best casts ever assembled for a film. It comes out in July and is one of the early favourites for the Oscars (though it is insanely early and impossible to know at this point). The first official trailer dropped yesterday. (https://youtu.be/TcPk2p0Zaw4) It seems VERY much like The Grand Budapest Hotel in terms of style and humour. Hopefully it's a great film but I honestly can't tell from the trailer.


CAST LIST (in no particular order)

Saoirse Ronan
Bill Murray
Elisabeth Moss
Jason Schwartzman
Tilda Swinton
Benicio Del Toro
Léa Seydoux
Adrien Brody
Bob Balaban
Henry Winkler
Frances McDormand
Timothée Chalamet
Lyna Khoudri
Jeffrey Wright
Stephen Park
Mathieu Almaric
Willem Dafoe
Edward Norton
Owen Wilson
Cécile De France
Christoph Waltz
Liev Schreiber
Anjelica Huston
Griffin Dunne
Alex Lawther


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Orser67 on February 14, 2020, 10:24:55 AM
King TChenka got me curious about this subject, so here's (https://filmschoolrejects.com/early-2021-oscar-predictions/) one site's predictions on the next Oscar favorites, with their release month and a short explanation provided by me:

The French Dispatch (July): see above
Greyhound (May): Tom Hanks-starring war film about an American naval commander defending merchant ships from U-boats during the early part of WW2
In the Heights (June): Musical based on a Lin-Manuel Miranda stage musical about an Hispanic-American neighborhood in NYC
The Last Duel (December): Ridley Scott historical drama about a duel in 14th century France
Mank (TBA):  David Fincher film about Herman J. Mankiewicz and his battles with director Orson Welles over screenplay credit for Citizen Kane
On the Rocks (TBA): Sofia Coppola comedy-drama about a young mother (played by Rashida Jones) who reconnects with her larger than life playboy father (played by Bill Murray)
The Trial of the Chicago 7 (September): Aaron Sorkin film about the trial of the Chicago Seven, who took part in the protests/riots against the 1968 DNC
True History of the Kelly Gang (April): The story of Australian bushranger Ned Kelly and his gang as they flee from authorities during the 1870s.
West Side Story (December): Steven Spielberg's remake of the classic musical


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: T'Chenka on February 14, 2020, 03:39:52 PM
King TChenka got me curious about this subject, so here's (https://filmschoolrejects.com/early-2021-oscar-predictions/) one site's predictions on the next Oscar favorites, with their release month and a short explanation provided by me:
They should also have MINARI, which debuted 2 or 3 weeks ago at the Sundance Film Festival and won several awards. Lots of people are talking Oscars for it, and it has an average rating of 4.2 out of 5 stars on Letterboxd. There are reviews online already.

MINARI - Lee Isaac Chung’s “Minari” is a personal story of tradition and family set in 1980s Arkansas about a Korean American family moving to a rural region. But it gets its title from a vegetable or plant very common in Korean culture. --- Brian Welk - The Wrap.

By the way, Letterboxd is a GREAT website and app for movie-lovers, and I trust the average ratings there way more than Rotten Tomatoes or IMDB. I recommend anyone download it and we can follow each other, or just sign up at the website if you don't want to download an app. I have ranked lists from every year of movies and lists of upcoming movies I'm anticipating.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: GoTfan on February 15, 2020, 02:59:57 AM
I;m personally looking forward to seeing The Current War when it comes out.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: dead0man on February 15, 2020, 05:42:27 AM
Everyone in the France's version of the Academy have quit after nominating the child ass rapist for 12 awards.  BBC (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51494929)


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: T'Chenka on February 15, 2020, 07:56:07 AM
I;m personally looking forward to seeing The Current War when it comes out.
I've been interested for 3 years now, but it got bad reviews and my hype has dropped considerably.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: T'Chenka on February 24, 2020, 04:11:09 AM
I just saw Downsizing (2017), directed by Alexander Payne and starring Matt Damon.

... what the f__k was that? Has anybody else seen this trainwreck? Christ.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on February 24, 2020, 07:50:39 PM
I just saw Downsizing (2017), directed by Alexander Payne and starring Matt Damon.

... what the f__k was that? Has anybody else seen this trainwreck? Christ.

Yes. It's a shame because Alexander Payne is one of my favorite directors, I like or love all of his other films and this one had a ton of potential. The concept is great and I enjoyed the first half, but then it seems to have forgotten about it, especially once they introduced one of the most annoying Asian stereotypes I have ever seen in a film, and became a didactic message film about climate change. Payne has made message films before, but he has always done it much better and with much more subtlety.

It was one of the biggest disappointments of the year it came out.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: The Simpsons Cinematic Universe on February 25, 2020, 05:10:16 AM
I'll go over some Chinese films, since that's most of what I'm watching lately.

A few days ago I watched 江湖儿女 (Transl: Sons and Daughters of the Jianghu, English title: Ash is Purest White). Kind of a crime film. A mob boss and his girlfriend get into some trouble, he shoots someone and she ends taking the fall for it, and spends years in prison only to find that he's left behind that lifestyle and has a new girlfriend. As he develops health problems, it gets to be a very emotionally compelling story. Great cinematography.

Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0fKX6VhovQ

Today I'm planning on downing some beers and baijiu and watching the patriotic film 我和我的祖国 (Transl: Me and My Motherland, English title: My People, My Country). It is kind of an anthology of short stories meant to show the spirit of Chinese people for the 70th anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic of China that was celebrated last October. It intrigues me because it is kind of a patriotic film - people here would say a "main melody" film, meant to convey emotionally the Party's message - that is more low-level and personal than your typical patriotic films which are filled with war and grandiose stuff. Might post about that later if anyone is interested.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: The Simpsons Cinematic Universe on February 29, 2020, 05:37:44 AM
Today I'm planning on downing some beers and baijiu and watching the patriotic film 我和我的祖国 (Transl: Me and My Motherland, English title: My People, My Country). It is kind of an anthology of short stories meant to show the spirit of Chinese people for the 70th anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic of China that was celebrated last October. It intrigues me because it is kind of a patriotic film - people here would say a "main melody" film, meant to convey emotionally the Party's message - that is more low-level and personal than your typical patriotic films which are filled with war and grandiose stuff. Might post about that later if anyone is interested.

Continuing on "My People, My Country", it's very impressive how the film manages to tie in small stories about regular people into many of the most important events in the history of the People's Republic. One story is about some Chinese ambassadors' insistence that the handover of Hong Kong occur at midnight (ie, at the soonest possible time) and the ceremony around it. Another very good one is about a scientist working on the first atomic bomb in China who sacrificed his life for this development, and his saying goodbye to his former lover. The later ones were some of the best - one about a man giving a ticket to the Olympic opening ceremony in 2008 to a boy whose father passed away in the Sichuan Earthquake, and another is a great story about two delinquent kids born into poverty who see Shenzhou 11 spacecraft land in China and are very emotionally moved by it.

You can see how it falls into the category of Chinese "main melody" films in that each of the stories seems to tie in, in some respect, to one of the Communist Party of China's flagship accomplishments, and more significantly: how these events affected common people. The story about the delinquent kids ties into the CCP's poverty alleviation program, to give one example. The film almost perfectly reflects the concept of the Chinese Dream in Xi Jinping's political thinking.

Last night I watched The Dreamers, a French/American film about an American student in Paris in the late 60s, his involvement with the French new wave junkie scene as well as student activism. It's hard to say a lot about it, the ethos of the film in general, reminds me greatly of the time I spent in Russia and the friends I made there. I highly recommend it, but I wish I had more of a concrete way to do so.

Tonight, probably: Lost in Translation.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: T'Chenka on February 29, 2020, 07:11:54 AM
My controversial opinion:

A good, solid film that is generally overrated and deserves some but not all of the praise it gets.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Meclazine for Israel on February 29, 2020, 09:54:51 AM
I;m personally looking forward to seeing The Current War when it comes out.
I've been interested for 3 years now, but it got bad reviews and my hype has dropped considerably.

It's a good film about US history. I really enjoyed it.

The advent of his abundant electrical inventions takes the story in multiple directions.

I try and avoid ratings. You end up missing really good films.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: T'Chenka on February 29, 2020, 04:24:19 PM
I;m personally looking forward to seeing The Current War when it comes out.
I've been interested for 3 years now, but it got bad reviews and my hype has dropped considerably.

It's a good film about US history. I really enjoyed it.

The advent of his abundant electrical inventions takes the story in multiple directions.

I try and avoid ratings. You end up missing really good films.
My problem is that I always have so many films that I want to watch that I have to miss some in order to watch others. Those that I am truly hyped up about I will watch regardless, but others where my interest level is "medium", I sometimes put on the back-burner if the reviews are bad.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: The Simpsons Cinematic Universe on March 01, 2020, 12:37:36 AM
A good, solid film that is generally overrated and deserves some but not all of the praise it gets.

I really liked it, personally. I have a hard time giving films "ratings" and that kind of thing but it hit close to home for me as an expat. Really captures a certain feeling of alienation that's hard to place. A lot of atmosphere in that film.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Meclazine for Israel on March 02, 2020, 04:30:35 AM
I;m personally looking forward to seeing The Current War when it comes out.
I've been interested for 3 years now, but it got bad reviews and my hype has dropped considerably.

It's a good film about US history. I really enjoyed it.

The advent of his abundant electrical inventions takes the story in multiple directions.

I try and avoid ratings. You end up missing really good films.
My problem is that I always have so many films that I want to watch that I have to miss some in order to watch others. Those that I am truly hyped up about I will watch regardless, but others where my interest level is "medium", I sometimes put on the back-burner if the reviews are bad.

Just watched:

Where'd You Go, Bernadette (2019)

"Architect-turned-recluse Bernadette hates people, she hates leaving the house, and more than anything, she hates the other parents at her 15-year-old daughter Bee's school."

Amazing film (with average reviews and no real reason to watch it).

If you are after a film where you have family and children watching together, this is a classic family film.

Very clever film making.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: T'Chenka on March 02, 2020, 05:12:15 AM
I;m personally looking forward to seeing The Current War when it comes out.
I've been interested for 3 years now, but it got bad reviews and my hype has dropped considerably.

It's a good film about US history. I really enjoyed it.

The advent of his abundant electrical inventions takes the story in multiple directions.

I try and avoid ratings. You end up missing really good films.
My problem is that I always have so many films that I want to watch that I have to miss some in order to watch others. Those that I am truly hyped up about I will watch regardless, but others where my interest level is "medium", I sometimes put on the back-burner if the reviews are bad.

Just watched:

Where'd You Go, Bernadette (2019)

"Architect-turned-recluse Bernadette hates people, she hates leaving the house, and more than anything, she hates the other parents at her 15-year-old daughter Bee's school."

Amazing film (with average reviews and no real reason to watch it).

If you are after a film where you have family and children watching together, this is a classic family film.

Very clever film making.
Nice to hear a very positive review. I'm a big fan of the director and Cate Banchett.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: T'Chenka on March 03, 2020, 01:23:24 AM
Watched a few films recently, though I'd share my ratings. I'm a bit of a harsh reviewer, but to me a perfectly fine average movie with no big issues is a 3 out of 5 star film. To me, 3 or 3.5 stars out of 5 is definitely worth a watch. I don't hand out 4 stars like candy on Halloween, and a full 5 stars is quite rare.

SAVING PRIVATE RYAN (1998) - 4.50 / 5 stars

THE INVISIBLE MAN (2020) - 3.75 / 5 stars

BIRDS OF PREY (2020) - 3.00 / 5 stars

A MONSTER CALLS (2016) - 3.00 / 5 stars


EDIT - After seeing some 3.5 range movies a week later, I realized that The Invisible Man is better than I had previoudly rated it. Rating now adjusted to 3.75 stars.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: GoTfan on March 03, 2020, 07:27:08 AM
I;m personally looking forward to seeing The Current War when it comes out.
I've been interested for 3 years now, but it got bad reviews and my hype has dropped considerably.

It's a good film about US history. I really enjoyed it.

The advent of his abundant electrical inventions takes the story in multiple directions.

I try and avoid ratings. You end up missing really good films.
My problem is that I always have so many films that I want to watch that I have to miss some in order to watch others. Those that I am truly hyped up about I will watch regardless, but others where my interest level is "medium", I sometimes put on the back-burner if the reviews are bad.

I don't really pay attention to reviews. For instance, they loved 1917, and I just couldn't see the fuss over it. They hated Battle: Los Angeles, but I actually quite liked it.

I'll go see The Current War because the whole thing is interesting to me and i'm a one-eyed Tom Holland fan.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on March 03, 2020, 07:04:32 PM
Watched a few films recently, though I'd share my ratings. I'm a bit of a harsh reviewer, but to me a perfectly fine average movie with no big issues is a 3 out of 5 star film. To me, 3 or 3.5 stars out of 5 is definitely worth a watch. I don't hand out 4 stars like candy on Halloween, and a full 5 stars is quite rare.

SAVING PRIVATE RYAN (1998) - 4.50 / 5 stars

THE INVISIBLE MAN (2020) - 3.25 / 5 stars

BIRDS OF PREY (2020) - 3.00 / 5 stars

A MONSTER CALLS (2016) - 3.00 / 5 stars

What were your issues with 'A Monster Calls?' I loved that movie in spite of how depressing it was.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on March 04, 2020, 01:47:03 AM
I went to see Portrait of a Lady on Fire. I was expecting to like it a lot, and I certainly wanted to given what FFs the director and stars seem to be, but it dealt with some sensitive subject matter in ways that I found acutely upsetting (not necessarily morally depraved, but upsetting), so I ended up finding it a chore to watch. I was left thinking that perhaps we should have a shutdown of lesbian art films entering our country from France until we can figure out what the hell is going on.

I also saw Birds of Prey over the weekend and loved it.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: T'Chenka on March 04, 2020, 03:07:50 AM
Watched a few films recently, though I'd share my ratings. I'm a bit of a harsh reviewer, but to me a perfectly fine average movie with no big issues is a 3 out of 5 star film. To me, 3 or 3.5 stars out of 5 is definitely worth a watch. I don't hand out 4 stars like candy on Halloween, and a full 5 stars is quite rare.

SAVING PRIVATE RYAN (1998) - 4.50 / 5 stars

THE INVISIBLE MAN (2020) - 3.25 / 5 stars

BIRDS OF PREY (2020) - 3.00 / 5 stars

A MONSTER CALLS (2016) - 3.00 / 5 stars

What were your issues with 'A Monster Calls?' I loved that movie in spite of how depressing it was.
The pacing and script mostly.

Overall there was a lot to like, and the good stuff was really good. For me a 3 star film is like getting a "B" on your report card. I can't fault it too much but the above-average things were IMO balanced out by the below-average things. Good film.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on March 04, 2020, 07:10:07 PM
Watched a few films recently, though I'd share my ratings. I'm a bit of a harsh reviewer, but to me a perfectly fine average movie with no big issues is a 3 out of 5 star film. To me, 3 or 3.5 stars out of 5 is definitely worth a watch. I don't hand out 4 stars like candy on Halloween, and a full 5 stars is quite rare.

SAVING PRIVATE RYAN (1998) - 4.50 / 5 stars

THE INVISIBLE MAN (2020) - 3.25 / 5 stars

BIRDS OF PREY (2020) - 3.00 / 5 stars

A MONSTER CALLS (2016) - 3.00 / 5 stars

What were your issues with 'A Monster Calls?' I loved that movie in spite of how depressing it was.
The pacing and script mostly.

Overall there was a lot to like, and the good stuff was really good. For me a 3 star film is like getting a "B" on your report card. I can't fault it too much but the above-average things were IMO balanced out by the below-average things. Good film.

I see. And I wasn't under the assumption that you disliked it, but with a 3/5 you were bound to have some issues with the film and I was curious to hear them.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: T'Chenka on March 04, 2020, 11:17:27 PM
Watched a few films recently, though I'd share my ratings. I'm a bit of a harsh reviewer, but to me a perfectly fine average movie with no big issues is a 3 out of 5 star film. To me, 3 or 3.5 stars out of 5 is definitely worth a watch. I don't hand out 4 stars like candy on Halloween, and a full 5 stars is quite rare.

SAVING PRIVATE RYAN (1998) - 4.50 / 5 stars

THE INVISIBLE MAN (2020) - 3.25 / 5 stars

BIRDS OF PREY (2020) - 3.00 / 5 stars

A MONSTER CALLS (2016) - 3.00 / 5 stars

What were your issues with 'A Monster Calls?' I loved that movie in spite of how depressing it was.
The pacing and script mostly.

Overall there was a lot to like, and the good stuff was really good. For me a 3 star film is like getting a "B" on your report card. I can't fault it too much but the above-average things were IMO balanced out by the below-average things. Good film.

I see. And I wasn't under the assumption that you disliked it, but with a 3/5 you were bound to have some issues with the film and I was curious to hear them.
I might need to fine tune my rating system a bit.

The movie never sucked me in as it progressed. The movie never gave any if the secondary characters any depth. The second act didn't do much for me, other than the wasted unexplored storyline with the father.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Meclazine for Israel on March 05, 2020, 09:14:01 AM
A couple of films worthy of your attention if you have not seen them. Dont research them because so much internet = spoilers.

1. Blackcoats Daughter (2015)

Un-nerving.

2. Mandy (2018)

My girlfriend Mandee refused to watch it with me because she watched the YouTube trailer and read a review. I was a little dark

3. Don't Breathe (2016)

Immaculate production. Tense.

It's hard for me to put on a movie without my girlfriend trying to look it up on the net. So i have introduced a phone ban on the couch and i play films without telling her anything.

Otherwise she will read the review during the first 5 minutes of the film which drives me crazy.

She can choose whatever films she likes. She brought us Hereditary, which was phenomenal.

I like films that have a story which is new to your brain.

No spoilers.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on March 05, 2020, 07:11:03 PM
A couple of films worthy of your attention if you have not seen them. Dont research them because so much internet = spoilers.

1. Blackcoats Daughter (2015)

Un-nerving.

2. Mandy (2018)

My girlfriend Mandee refused to watch it with me because she watched the YouTube trailer and read a review. I was a little dark

3. Don't Breathe (2016)

Immaculate production. Tense.

It's hard for me to put on a movie without my girlfriend trying to look it up on the net. So i have introduced a phone ban on the couch and i play films without telling her anything.

Otherwise she will read the review during the first 5 minutes of the film which drives me crazy.

She can choose whatever films she likes. She brought us Hereditary, which was phenomenal.

I like films that have a story which is new to your brain.

No spoilers.

Finally! Someone else who saw 'The Blackcoat's Daughter/February!' It's become one of my favorite horror movies. It's slow, but I actually prefer a slow horror movie that builds to something. And this one did just that. Don't watch the director's other film, 'I Am the Pretty Thing That Lives in the House' though, it's just boring and slow, and not the least bit scary or unsettling. I heard his newest film 'Gretel and Hansel' is good though. I have yet to see it myself.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: T'Chenka on March 05, 2020, 11:07:09 PM
I heard his newest film 'Gretel and Hansel' is good though. I have yet to see it myself.
Two of the YouTube critics I watch (Austin Burke and Chris Stuckmann) both said it was all great atmosphere and cinematography but NO script whatsoever and barely a story. The good elements are great and the bad elements are terrible apparently. I'll maybe check it out in the future if it hits Canadian Netflix.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Meclazine for Israel on March 06, 2020, 02:47:12 AM
Just watched "Come To Daddy" (2019).

One of Elijah Wood's better performances.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: T'Chenka on March 06, 2020, 09:13:54 PM
I'm planning to see Emma and The Way Back in the next while, as well as Onward (though maybe not right away). This year in film is slowly picking up a bit, now that we've passed through the annual January February film wasteland.

If anybody sees any of these three, please share your thoughts.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: The Simpsons Cinematic Universe on March 07, 2020, 10:14:13 AM
Partly inspired by "My People, My Country" a few days back, I decided to go for nostalgia for the motherland today. So I ordered hamburgers and French fries, and I decided to watch Forrest Gump. Not for the first time in my life, but probably for the first time that I was actually able to be conscious of an understand it. So at least like 10 years.

Man, that's a good film. I guess most people here have already seen it and there's not much to say. But man.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: T'Chenka on March 07, 2020, 03:37:01 PM
Partly inspired by "My People, My Country" a few days back, I decided to go for nostalgia for the motherland today. So I ordered hamburgers and French fries, and I decided to watch Forrest Gump. Not for the first time in my life, but probably for the first time that I was actually able to be conscious of an understand it. So at least like 10 years.

Man, that's a good film. I guess most people here have already seen it and there's not much to say. But man.
There are a lot of people who hate that it won Best Picture over The Shawshank Redemption, but the fact that Shawshank is so well-rated and loved and you DON'T see Forrest Gump getting put on "worst Best Picture choices of all time" lists speaks volumes IMO.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on March 07, 2020, 06:06:30 PM
I revisited 'Samurai Cop' yesterday, one of the most notorious "so bad, it's good" movies of late. I watched it the first time a few years ago and as funny as it was it's low on my list of favorite bad movies (which I am something of a connoisseur of). It faded a bit from memory though and in seeing it listed as available on Amazon Prime, I decided to rewatch it and see if it grew on me.

Nope. But I now know why I was only meagerly ironically entertained by it and found it overrated by bad movie standards. It has a lot of hilariously bad and incompetent moments but they all occur before the 30 to 45 minute mark. You have awful dialogue, awkward editing, awkward sex scenes, bad acting, bad action scenes, bad dubbing, bad sound effects, blatant continuity issues (the protagonist wears a wig through half the film and the other half is his real hair), basically no plot, and a distracting knitted lion head mounted on the wall in one of the film's locations. All that stuff happens in the first half of the film though and after all that it's just those same things all over again with nothing really new to laugh at. It gets kind of old fast...except the lion head, I cackled every time it appeared in the background of a scene.

It's often said that the best bad movies keep you engaged in them due to them constantly throwing new and interesting things to notice and make fun of. 'Samurai Cop' has that stuff, but it runs out of doing anything new and just becomes an overly straightforward revenge film that also resembles a 'Lethal Weapon' knock-off.

I actually instead recommend two of the director's other, more underrated, movies instead 'Hollywood Cop' and 'Killing American Style,' which are also on Amazon Prime. They are much more bizarre and befuddling in the same incompetent ways that 'Samurai Cop' is and in many more unique ways too. I think more people need to see those two films, I don't know why 'Samurai Cop' gets all the attention. I don't even think it has better individual moments than these two.

'Samurai Cop' is better than 'Young Rebels' though, another of the director's films on Amazon, in terms of entertainment. Yes, I made it a goal to see every Amir Shervan film I can. My life is worth questioning. 'Young Rebels' is just a boring action film, and in somehow being slightly better made than his other films it actually becomes less amusing.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: T'Chenka on March 07, 2020, 07:38:11 PM
THE WAY BACK (2020) - No Spoilers

3.25 STARS OUT OF 5 / lower end B PLUS

Affleck and the direction are strong points here. I wouldn't say the script is weak, but it isnt' great or way above average. This kind of movie has been done many times, and even though this one isn't especially original, it somehow finds a way to not FEEL cliched and like a retread. I would definitely recommend this movie, but I wouldn't give an especially strong recommendation.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Meclazine for Israel on March 14, 2020, 01:27:47 PM
Swallow (2019)

That was a great film in terms of production, atmosphere and tension.

No spoilers. Just watch it without the trailer, as the trailer does have spoilers.



Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: The Simpsons Cinematic Universe on March 21, 2020, 12:21:27 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machuca

Machuca (2004) is a Chilean film taking place during the CIA's 1973 coup which deposed Salvador Allende and introduced military dictatorship to Chile. Despite the politically charged nature of the subject, it does not concern itself so much with the boring formalized aspects of politics so much as presenting a contrast between the hyper-privileged life of upper-caste, generally white Chileans who viewed Allende as a tyrant for threatening their way of life, and the shantytown-residing lower-caste Chileans, who viewed Allende as a hero for giving them the opportunity to advance in life.

In particular, we're shown the life of a white boy from a wealthy family, going to a private Catholic school which is undergoing racial integration as some Indian boys are allowed into the class. After some initial bullying, the white boy, Gonzalo, and an Indian boy - Pedro Machuca, become friends, making money by opportunistically selling political flags at both left-wing and right-wing rallies. We see the stark contrast of family culture of both boys' families - a fundamental division in viewpoints coming from living in fundamentally different environments.

The subject of race relations in South America is something I've seen firsthand and feel strongly about. I think this film does a good job of portraying the human side of it.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Meclazine for Israel on March 21, 2020, 07:50:41 PM
Perfect Corona-virus film to watch whilst in isolation:

David Lynch

Eraserhead (1977)

I was always under the impression it was late 1980's because that is when I first saw it after a summer of alcohol and bucket bongs. And I was freaked out then.

But to have made it in 1977 is a true reflection of the genius of his film-making. 


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Meclazine for Israel on March 24, 2020, 02:37:17 AM
Here is a film based on a short story by H.P. Lovecraft.

Born into wealth in Providence, Lovecraft was a sickly child whose parents died insane. His mother had hoped for a daughter and dressed him as a girl for much of the first decade of his life. He suffered two nervous breakdowns before he was fifteen. He was a known xenophobe, racist and anti-Semite.

Howard Phillips Lovecraft inspired modern day authors of success such as Stephen King ("The Shining"), John Carpenter ("In the Mouth of Madness"), Robert Bloch ("Psycho"), Clive Barker ("Hellraiser") and Anne Rice ("Interview with the Vampire").

Most of his short stories were hand written as he refused to type them. As such, many publishers would not accept his work.

Despite being one of the most famous and influential authors of all time, he was a virtual unknown during his lifetime, and died in poverty.

There has never been a direct adaptation of any of his stories......until now.

Richard Stanley

Color Out of Space (2019)

A provocative and disturbing film on many different levels.



Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on March 24, 2020, 05:40:40 PM
Perfect Corona-virus film to watch whilst in isolation:

David Lynch

Eraserhead (1977)

I was always under the impression it was late 1980's because that is when I first saw it after a summer of alcohol and bucket bongs. And I was freaked out then.

But to have made it in 1977 is a true reflection of the genius of his film-making. 

If you're into David Lynch you have to see 'Blue Velvet,' 'Mulholland Drive,' and 'The Elephant Man' too.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on March 25, 2020, 05:53:09 PM
I watched 'Doctor Sleep' last night and I loved it! I would put it up there as one of the best sequels ever made and definitely one of the best sequels made last decade alongside 'Blade Runner 2049.' Both movies, despite being made decades later, manage to enhance their predecessor and that's what makes a great sequel!

I do wonder if certain Kubrick purists will find this movie controversial though. I personally think that it makes 'The Shining' better by clarifying and extrapolating on aspects of Kubrick's classic. Not only that but it somehow manages to simultaneously be a sequel to both the book and movie at the same time which is a real accomplishment considering how much they differed and how much King detested Kubrick's adaptation. For one thing, this movie is actually about "the shining" and almost creates its own universe based on that aspect. We get to see a mythology and world being built here, and it's really fascinating. In that sense though this movie is mistitled and I feel bad because that might have been why this movie was a relative flop. It shares that issue with another recent Ewan McGregor film-'Birds of Prey'/'Halrey Quinn: Birds of Prey,' and like that movie should have had a title to establish more familiarity with it. Maybe 'The Shining 2: Doctor Sleep' could have worked. I mean, they only mention who/what "Doctor Sleep" is once. But even then, it's also possible that like with why 'Blade Runner 2049' flopped somewhat, 'The Shining' might just be too much of a niche franchise for the average moviegoer. I do feel that this movie won't be for everyone.
If you're a huge fan of 'The Shining' though, like me, you will get a lot out of this film. It might end up containing a few too many fan service/member berry moments for some, especially towards the end, but I don't feel like they ruined the film or anything. I was fine with them. There was one little easter egg that I guffawed at involving tea cups in particular which only the most obsessive and detailed fan of 'The Shining' would notice, and I wholly appreciate the filmmakers' inclusion of it as well as other painstaking details that make this movie as much of a homage to Kubrick's film as it is a sequel to it. It is not as scary as 'The Shining' though. This movie is actually less of a horror movie (though there are some scary moments, one of which is among the most disturbing things I have seen in a recent film) and more of a supernatural drama-thriller. So keep that in mind when managing your expectations for seeing it. It's also really long, about two-and-a-half hours.

I also want to mention that this film utilizes the novel concept of casting new actors in flashbacks. We don't see that too often anymore and I honestly prefer it to digital de-aging. Everybody they got, especially the new Halloran and Wendy, are great! They may not look 100% like the previous actors but they do feel like them. I do wonder if the casting agent for this film regretted not casting the kid from 'Marriage Story' as young Danny though. The kid in this film was perfectly fine, but the kid from 'Marriage Story' is a dead-ringer of the original Danny (who actually appears in a small cameo in this movie).

As for the few flaws I had, and there were very few, the concept of the shining, while integral to this movie and greatly expanded upon seemed to fall into the trap that the force does from 'Star Wars' (the prequels featuring McGregor also, coincidentally). It kind of becomes too inconsistent, ubiquitous, and vague. The new character Abra, who is great overall, actually might fall into that "Mary Sue" criticism for Rey to some. It didn't bother me, but I'm sure some have thought that. The only other thing about this film that bothered me was Rebecca Ferguson as the villain, Rose. She was actually fantastic in the role, but at times her accent seemed to drift in and out between being American and British. What's weird is that she is actually Swedish, so I don't know what that was about. It was a bit distracting. Otherwise I loved her.

So yeah, this has become another one of my favorite movies of last year. 


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: morgankingsley on March 25, 2020, 06:01:00 PM
I watched 'Doctor Sleep' last night and I loved it! I would put it up there as one of the best sequels ever made and definitely one of the best sequels made last decade alongside 'Blade Runner 2049.' Both movies, despite being made decades later, manage to enhance their predecessor and that's what makes a great sequel!

I do wonder if certain Kubrick purists will find this movie controversial though. I personally think that it makes 'The Shining' better by clarifying and extrapolating on aspects of Kubrick's classic. Not only that but it somehow manages to simultaneously be a sequel to both the book and movie at the same time which is a real accomplishment considering how much they differed and how much King detested Kubrick's adaptation. For one thing, this movie is actually about "the shining" and almost creates its own universe based on that aspect. We get to see a mythology and world being built here, and it's really fascinating. In that sense though this movie is mistitled and I feel bad because that might have been why this movie was a relative flop. It shares that issue with another recent Ewan McGregor film-'Birds of Prey'/'Halrey Quinn: Birds of Prey,' and like that movie should have had a title to establish more familiarity with it. Maybe 'The Shining 2: Doctor Sleep' could have worked. I mean, they only mention who/what "Doctor Sleep" is once. But even then, it's also possible that like with why 'Blade Runner 2049' flopped somewhat, 'The Shining' might just be too much of a niche franchise for the average moviegoer. I do feel that this movie won't be for everyone.
If you're a huge fan of 'The Shining' though, like me, you will get a lot out of this film. It might end up containing a few too many fan service/member berry moments for some, especially towards the end, but I don't feel like they ruined the film or anything. I was fine with them. There was one little easter egg that I guffawed at involving tea cups in particular which only the most obsessive and detailed fan of 'The Shining' would notice, and I wholly appreciate the filmmakers' inclusion of it as well as other painstaking details that make this movie as much of a homage to Kubrick's film as it is a sequel to it. It is not as scary as 'The Shining' though. This movie is actually less of a horror movie (though there are some scary moments, one of which is among the most disturbing things I have seen in a recent film) and more of a supernatural drama-thriller. So keep that in mind when managing your expectations for seeing it. It's also really long, about two-and-a-half hours.

I also want to mention that this film utilizes the novel concept of casting new actors in flashbacks. We don't see that too often anymore and I honestly prefer it to digital de-aging. Everybody they got, especially the new Halloran and Wendy, are great! They may not look 100% like the previous actors but they do feel like them. I do wonder if the casting agent for this film regretted not casting the kid from 'Marriage Story' as young Danny though. The kid in this film was perfectly fine, but the kid from 'Marriage Story' is a dead-ringer of the original Danny (who actually appears in a small cameo in this movie).

As for the few flaws I had, and there were very few, the concept of the shining, while integral to this movie and greatly expanded upon seemed to fall into the trap that the force does from 'Star Wars' (the prequels featuring McGregor also, coincidentally). It kind of becomes too inconsistent, ubiquitous, and vague. The new character Abra, who is great overall, actually might fall into that "Mary Sue" criticism for Rey to some. It didn't bother me, but I'm sure some have thought that. The only other thing about this film that bothered me was Rebecca Ferguson as the villain, Rose. She was actually fantastic in the role, but at times her accent seemed to drift in and out between being American and British. What's weird is that she is actually Swedish, so I don't know what that was about. It was a bit distracting. Otherwise I loved her.

So yeah, this has become another one of my favorite movies of last year. 

Well honestly Blade Runner 49 flopping was no shock because the original didn't do too well either and yes it is a cult classic but the overwhelming majority of people still never even heard of it beyond pop culture references, so it was sort of bond to only get newer fans of the original and the older fans of the original and some die hard Gosling fans


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: T'Chenka on March 26, 2020, 01:47:18 AM
I still have to see Doctor Sleep.

Blade Runner 2049 was very good, I wouldn't say "incredible" or "masterpiece", but very underrated.

A whole pile of films are leaving Netflix Canada between now and early April, so I'm trying to work my way down a list of them I made that takes into account how soon they're leaving, how well-received they are and how badly I want to see them.


Pride & Prejuduce
- 8.5/10 - rating of A

Memoirs Of A Geisha
- 8.0/10 - rating of A minus

Das Boot
- 7.5/10 - rating of A minus

Girl, Interrupted
- 7.0/10 - rating of B plus

Catch Me If You Can
- 7.0/10 - rating of B plus

Arthur Christmas
- 7.0/10 - rating of B plus

Fried Green Tomatoes
- 6.5/10 - rating of B plus

Race
- 5.5/10 - rating of B

Liar Liar
- 4.5/10 - rating of B minus


Will come back later and add ratings to these as I see them.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Meclazine for Israel on March 27, 2020, 07:39:36 AM
A film about Austrian Franz Jägerstätter and his family living during the turmoil of World War II.

Terrence Malick

A Hidden Life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJXmdY4lVR0


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: T'Chenka on March 27, 2020, 12:18:22 PM
A film about Austrian Franz Jägerstätter and his family living during the turmoil of World War II.

Terrence Malick

A Hidden Life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJXmdY4lVR0
I had wanted to see this. How good was it?


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Meclazine for Israel on March 27, 2020, 08:52:07 PM
A film about Austrian Franz Jägerstätter and his family living during the turmoil of World War II.

Terrence Malick

A Hidden Life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJXmdY4lVR0
I had wanted to see this. How good was it?

Very interesting to view World War II through a completely different lens. For example, I would like to see a WWII film from the perspective of a German or Russian soldier on the Eastern front.

The Western Front was done to death.

Nothing wrong with the production quality of "1917", "Dunkirk" and "Saving Private Ryan", but an equivalently produced film(s) from the Ukraine or Belarus during the same period would be welcome.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on March 30, 2020, 09:55:57 AM

The Shining is my favorite scary movie ever and I enjoyed Doctor Sleep very much. It's overlong and casting Henry Thomas (who looks nothing like Jack Nicholson) as Danny's father was disconcerting. But it deserved better at the box office.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on March 31, 2020, 06:01:55 PM

The Shining is my favorite scary movie ever and I enjoyed Doctor Sleep very much. It's overlong and casting Henry Thomas (who looks nothing like Jack Nicholson) as Danny's father was disconcerting. But it deserved better at the box office.

You just reminded me of something I forgot to mention.

I was actually kind of disappointed that there was no reference to the guy in the bear suit giving the blow-job to the other guy. For all the references made to the Kubrick film, there was nothing about this. 0/10 stars!


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Meclazine for Israel on March 31, 2020, 11:43:39 PM
Clint Eastwood

Richard Jewell (2019)

A really well produced film. Enjoyed the portrayals and the gripping storyline.

One of those films that enters the psyche.



Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on April 07, 2020, 07:38:36 PM
Sorry to be posting here more than everyone else, especially with my tendency for overlong posts, but I have to get my thoughts out on this film because I've been really bothered by it! I don't even care if you read this or not.

Incoming spoilers, obviously.

I finally saw 'Once Upon a Time In Hollywood' and really disliked it. The whole film felt disjointed and pointless to me. It's Tarantino's second worst film after 'Death Proof.' And I say that as a fan of his. Not the biggest, blindest fan of his as some tend to be, but a fan nonetheless.

I'll get to the things I disliked, but first the things I did enjoy since there's less to say. As always with Tarantino, the guy knows his s*** and can craft a truly splendid film when it comes to acting (to me this was DiCaprio's best role since 'The Wolf of Wall Street'), directing, and production design. All those surface level aspects of the film continue to be major attributes of Tarantino's and are as good as ever. Additionally, I appreciate that this was a somewhat different Tarantino film from what we've seen of him, especially recently. He was a lot more restrained with this film-there wasn't nearly as much violence (not that I minded it in his previous films, but it's just a rarity for him), there wasn't a single utterance of "the n-word," it was tonally consistent unlike some of his previous films, and he resisted using anachronistic music this time (a major pet peeve of mine with some of his movies was his use of music from the future in his period pieces (it really conflicts with immersion). I was reminded a lot of 'Jackie Brown,' his most underrated film and probably most mature film, with this. Though he was certainly not restrained with his foot fetishism. I'm not going to hold this against the film since it's a minor detail but I have the opposite of a foot fetish and am massively repulsed by feet. That did not change here. All the bare feet, especially with them being filthy, in this move really kind of made me nauseous. I guess it makes sense though since the film involves hippies and Sharon Tate supposedly liked being barefoot as much as she could. I don't blame this notorious foot fetishist for leaning into it with this content.

Anyway, in spite of enjoying the 1960's era of Hollywood too and enjoying the painstaking recreations and winks to them, as Tarantino always likes to do, this film was way too self-indulgent with its glorification of it and the constant barrage of references. It was like if the writers of 'Family Guy' wrote 'Forrest Gump' it just seemed like an excuse for Tarantino to recreate his favorite parts of the 1960's film industry and show off his pop culture knowledge, especially of obscure media. A film that is entirely a tribute to the golden age of Hollywood would be fine if it was integrated into a more cohesive narrative, but this film failed at that to me. Actually, maybe it could have worked if the film was entirely about these two washed-up buddies (DiCaprio and Pitt; who have great chemistry in this film, were good characters, and probably all around the best things about the movie) trying to make their way in a Hollywood that's different from the one they knew back in the 1950's, meeting prominent figures and everything. That's almost what we had here until the f***ing Manson family got involved as an excuse for Tarantino to have one of his violent climaxes and engage in the historical revisionism he seems to have taken a shine to. A more focused Manson family movie by Tarantino also could have worked, come to think of it. But these two film ideas being combined with the loosest possible thread of Sharon Tate was just poorly conceived in my view. Sharon Tate barely even did anything in the movie. Margot Robbie, in spite of needing to learn a different American accent from that Long Island sounding one she always does (which doesn't always fit the characters she plays) was wasted here. All she does is dance and see a movie. Her feet had more to do.

I had an idea of how this could have worked though, and it's where I thought the movie was going. Coming into it I knew about the Manson Family being featured in the movie, but I didn't know in what way. I thought the film was setting up Sharon Tate to be the one who dispatched her would-be attackers with the martial arts she learned from Bruce Lee for that film of hers that she went to see earlier in the movie, perhaps alongside DiCaprio and Pitt's characters. I figured that was the point of the film-a setup for the climax with the Manson attackers. But no. They end up intruding on DiCaprio's residence instead and Brad Pitt kills two of them while DiCaprio roasts the last one with a flamethrower introduced earlier in the film. Sure, we got some payoff after all, and it admittedly was a satisfying moment, but the way this was done wasn't satisfying overall! If we look at Tarantino's other historical revisionist pulp-tribute films- 'Inglorious Basterds' and 'Django Unchained-' it was incredibly cathartic to see Shoshana and the Basterds kill the Nazi leadership and burn down their theater, or seeing Django burn the plantation after slaughtering slave owners. These were historical villains who had done horrible things to people like the protagonist and are well-known in history for that, and deserve a dark fate. Same with the Mansons in real-life. These Manson Family members though never actually feel like a threat deserving of their gruesome retaliatory deaths as in real-life and aren't taken out by their real-life victim (Sharon Tate in this case). They can be both a threat and be portrayed as farcical and incompetent to deprive them of the power they had in reality, as Tarantino likes to do with his film's antagonists. Obviously the point of this film is for the Manson followers to have never accomplished their mission of senseless violence but they could have at least injured someone or something. In the actual movie them simply invading the residence of DiCaprio and threatening them didn't seem to warrant the deaths they got. Now, I guess I'll grant you this, Sharon Tate was eight months pregnant at this time and wouldn't have been able to fend off her assailants in reality, but we're talking about a Tarantino revisionist history movie here! This is a point where him being restrained was actually a detriment. Realism has never inhibited Tarantino before, so why not have a very pregnant Tate defend herself and her friends from the Mansons? Is it any less ridiculous than anything out of 'Kill Bill?' Something like that not only would have given Tate something to actually do, but also made her a stronger character. Hell, while we're at it, include Charles Manson himself among the attackers (he appears maybe once in the entire movie)? He may not have been with his followers in the real-life murders but he was the real villain through it all and I would have loved to see him die violently in addition to his three followers who we barely got to know in the film. In fact, this entire movie hinges on you having knowledge of the Manson murders. I am very curious about how people unfamiliar with them reacted to this film. They are a notable part of American history but still far more obscure and less visible than the likes of Confederates or Nazis as historical villains. Getting at least some insight into them could have helped. So what we got instead of all that was a significantly less interesting and more disjointed pairing of 1960's Hollywood and the Manson Family events. Was it meant to be a bait-and-switch from the aforementioned climax that I anticipated? I don't think I have any right to claim to be a better craftsman than Tarantino, but here I think my version is a better alternate history and a more enjoyable and coherent movie! Tarantino's climaxes usually tie the movie together like a gift being tied in a neat little bow, but this one just felt like he lazily taped a streamer on a box.

My version of this film's climax wouldn't have fixed some of the other issues though. It wouldn't have given more relevance to the pointless flashbacks and fantasy cutaways like with DiCaprio's character fantasizing about being cast in 'The Great Escape' instead. That just seemed like an excuse for Tarantino to film his own version of a scene from it. Same with the inclusion of Bruce Lee and Steve McQueen himself. They are really just glorified cameos (Sharon Tate was just about one of those too) that serve little to no purpose other than to be part of "member berry moments." Some of the cameos and the actors playing them aren't even all that good, like Damian Lewis as McQueen. The guy who played Bruce Lee was actually great though. So I guess it isn't that much of a cut-and-dry negative after all, it doesn't mean that they added much to the film though.

Also filmmakers should never cast a performer as a real-life person and then show them in real-life like when Robbie as Tate watches the real-life Sharon Tate in a movie of hers. It's very jarring and confusing and makes you realize that Robbie actually doesn't look as much like Tate as you would have thought at first.

I was also very bothered by a moment in this slow, long movie (which is expected by now for a Tarantino film) when it sporadically moves way too fast and seems to be rushing to get to the climax. The Kurt Russell narrator comes back, after not being a presence in the film for over an hour, to very quickly summarize DiCaprio's character and his bout filming Italian movies in Europe. Could we have seen that? That could have been fun to see and added to his character, right? Oh, we have to get to the bloody, over-the-top ending because we wasted too much time earlier with people driving around to 1960's tunes, and an overload of references? Right. Maybe we'll see that in the five hour Director's Cut...actually, you know what, nevermind...I don't care enough to want to see that.

This movie is also incredibly devoid of tension. Tarantino always excels at that, but here, with there being no obvious threat even from the film's ostensible antagonists, there's virtually none. Not that this film needs the intensity of others, but when he decides to include villains, it kind of needs that. I guess there's the scene where Pitt ends up at Spahn Ranch (a former Hollywood Western television set where the Manson family squats) and wants to visit George Spahn, an old acquaintance. The scene moves slowly and seems to build tension but for what? To build up to Pitt talking to Bruce Dern in a scene that, once again, feels pointless. Scenes like that don't even deliver on giving us the great Tarantino conversations and dialogue that fans of his, like myself, always love. I would argue that this film features his least memorable dialogues and conversations by far!

I got so little out of this film, at least when DiCaprio and Pitt weren't around! I was really disappointed. My sister actually saw this film in theaters when it came out and hated it. I thought that she was just too much of a casual moviegoer to get it and enjoy it and really wanted to like it for genuine reasons as well as to stick it to my sister, but I ended up sharing my thoughts on it with her and we spent a good hour discussing this film and how much we disliked it together. She still disliked it significantly more than I did though. Of course, she has never been much of a Tarantino fan (I think she enjoyed 'Inglorious Basterds' though) in contrast to myself, so it was probably to be expected.

So yeah, I think this film is one of last year's most vastly overrated movies, in addition to 'The Irishman.' Though 'The Irishman' at least had a better narrative to me. I would watch that movie again over this one, in spite of it somehow being even longer. What's with films featuring Al Pacino being the mark of death for 2019 films for me? By the way, Al Pacino? he was wasted too. Whatever, I don't care how contrarian it is, two of the greatest living filmmakers underwhelmed me last year. I'll say it. And you know what, while I'm at it, since it's relevant to this film: f*** Roman Polanski. 'Chinatown' and 'Rosemary's Baby' are way over-hyped and he is a despicable pedophile. I just figured why not say that while I was at it?


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: T'Chenka on April 07, 2020, 10:03:15 PM
Sorry to be posting here more than everyone else, especially with my tendency for overlong posts, but I have to get my thoughts out on this film because I've been really bothered by it! I don't even care if you read this or not.

Incoming spoilers, obviously.

I finally saw 'Once Upon a Time In Hollywood' and really disliked it. The whole film felt disjointed and pointless to me. It's Tarantino's second worst film after 'Death Proof.' And I say that as a fan of his. Not the biggest, blindest fan of his as some tend to be, but a fan nonetheless.
Post here as much as you want. I created this topic hoping it would see a lot of posts year-round.

I don't have much to say about your movie review. Most of your criticisms are valid, but the majority of them I would view as "technically a detriment but on a very very small level that barely registers". Your pacing critique near the end of the movie and the mis-usage of Tate are IMO legitimate detriments. I still give it an 8.5/10 or maybe a 9/10.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Meclazine for Israel on April 07, 2020, 10:06:07 PM
Sorry to be posting here more than everyone else, especially with my tendency for overlong posts, but I have to get my thoughts out on this film because I've been really bothered by it! I don't even care if you read this or not.

Incoming spoilers, obviously.

I finally saw 'Once Upon a Time In Hollywood' and really disliked it. The whole film felt disjointed and pointless to me. It's Tarantino's second worst film after 'Death Proof.' And I say that as a fan of his. Not the biggest, blindest fan of his as some tend to be, but a fan nonetheless.
Post here as much as you want. I created this topic hoping it would see a lot of posts year-round.

Yeah, post here as much as you want. As Atlas' best movie reviewer, absolutely no one is going to complain about the quality of your reviews.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Bakersfield Uber Alles on April 07, 2020, 10:59:01 PM
In some ways, I wish I had never seen Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Don’t get me wrong—I personally love the movie—but any successive rewatches will always be tinged in my mind.

When I saw it in theaters on opening weekend, I was mostly just tagging along with my friends. I had seen Pulp Fiction years and years ago, but no other Tarantino movies. I knew of Tarantino’s love of blood, feet, and the N-word, but not much more about him as a filmmaker. Unlike some of my other friends, however, I knew most of what actually happened with Tate and the Manson family. I was tensed for the whole movie, especially in scenes with Tate, because I knew what actually happened. Let me tell you, it was an amazing payoff for me. Knowing how the story goes, I won’t ever get that same tenseness, but I still find it to be a very enjoyable movie, even if it is a bit long (and there’s too many feet).

The tension I felt in the movie reminded me of Game of Thrones. You know from the beginning that there’s a big threat looming, but everything goes on as normal until the threat makes itself an actual problem.

In my mind, the scene with Julia Butters (the child in the Lancer pilot) basically spells out the movie. It’s about a relatively washed-up has-been who’s trying (and struggling) to make his way in the New Hollywood exemplified by his neighbors (as Dalton himself references when Polanski and Tate drive up to their house).

Meanwhile, Cliff Booth is up on the roof fixing Dalton’s TV antenna, which is a rather obvious metaphor for Dalton’s TV career (not gonna lie, I didn’t get that until I saw it pointed out a week ago). Honestly, he did most of the heavy lifting throughout the movie. He drove Rick wherever he needed to go, he fixed the antenna, and he did most of the work in killing the Manson murderers.

Those last two paragraphs wrap back around to the scene I mentioned about Polanski and Tate arriving home. While the two are driving up their driveway, Dalton goes on about how they’re rising figures in the new Hollywood. I like to sum up the movie as “A man who wants to meet his neighbors and who ultimately does.” He gets to meet them at the end of the movie, where the assumption is that his career has been rejuvenated after his trip to make the Spaghetti Westerns. But first he had to overcome all of his internal issues.

I will say, it is a bit longer than it needed to be. I’m not really sure what I would cut, but maybe something like 10-20 minutes could be cut. Just not the Karmann Ghia scenes. I love that car. Maybe the flashback/imagining of Rick Dalton being in the Great Escape? I’m still confused by that scene.

I didn’t see Al Pacino as an issue. It was nice to see him as a small supporting role, more as a veteran of the industry in both his actual career and his role in the movie. Granted, I haven’t seen that much with him. I appreciated the dig at Polanski early on in the film when they say he looks like a twelve year old.

Edit: I loved the soundtrack too. Twelve Thirty by the Mamas and Papas made it really eerie as the Manson murderers walked up the street. Out of Time by Mick Jagger was a nice theme for them return to LA. My one issue is that Brother Love’s Traveling Salvation Show starts with “Hot August nights...” when the movie is still on February even though the end of the movie is in August on a very hot night.

I’d give the movie 9.25 out of 10. Not perfect by any means, but well worth the three rewatches I’ve done, with another planned for this weekend.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: T'Chenka on April 08, 2020, 02:16:30 AM
I always tinker with these scores and rankings, but I just felt like posting my rankings of 2019 movies. Probably because I just got my hands on a 4K disc hard copy of 1917 and this thread is currently discussing OUATIH.

Spealking of those two films, I may as well also mention the third film of the "big three" that were gunning for Best Picture down the stretch as well. I was thinking about this the other day, and I'm pretty sure Mrs. Park would 100% get coronavirus based on this scene (from 2:55 on) (https://youtu.be/0HTnIQk_ENE) in Parasite.

10/10 - A PLUS
01. Parasite [Gisaengchung]

9.5/10 - A PLUS
02. Marriage Story
03. 1917

9.0/10 - A
04. Avengers: Endgame
05. Midsommar

8.5/10 - A
06. Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
07. Jojo Rabbit
08. Knives Out
09. Little Women

8.0/10 - A MINUS
10. The Irishman
11. Joker
12. The Lighthouse
13. Uncut Gems
14. The Last Black Man In San Francisco

7.5/10 - A MINUS
15. Booksmart
16. Us
17. A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood
18. Ad Astra
19. Rocketman
20. Toy Story 4
21. Ford V Ferrari
22. Luce
23. The Two Popes
24. Spider-Man: Far From Home

7.0/10 - B PLUS
25. Bombshell
26. Hustlers
27. Klaus
28. John Wick: Chapter 3 - Parabellum
29. J'ai Perdu Mon Corps [I Lost My Body]

6.5/10 - B PLUS
30. Blinded By The Light
31. Shazam!
32. Dark Waters


Too lazy to do 6.0/B scores and lower right now.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on April 08, 2020, 06:28:06 PM
Thanks all. I just didn't want to come off as clogging the thread. I mean, under lock-down I'm watching even more movies than I already did, so sometimes I need to get my thoughts out for those I didn't watch with anyone else.

I appreciate your input as well, even as we may see things differently.

I will say though, Fubart Solman, as I said in my review, DiCaprio and Pitt's storylines were the best parts of the movie to me. So I am actually with you there. It's just that other aspects of the movie I disliked got to me in ways that overshadowed them.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: QAnonKelly on April 09, 2020, 09:53:34 AM
Fyi, Parasite's on Hulu now. My sister and I watched it last night and I enjoyed it greatly. Probably need to see it again to form a full opinion.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: QAnonKelly on April 10, 2020, 11:57:00 PM


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Sprouts Farmers Market ✘ on April 11, 2020, 12:40:16 AM
Wow, owning an immigrant for not knowing enough languages. Great job, Hulu marketing team ::) *cringe*


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: T'Chenka on April 11, 2020, 06:36:23 AM
Wow, owning an immigrant for not knowing enough languages. Great job, Hulu marketing team ::) *cringe*
That's... not what happened though...?


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on April 12, 2020, 05:25:40 PM
Fyi, Parasite's on Hulu now. My sister and I watched it last night and I enjoyed it greatly. Probably need to see it again to form a full opinion.

Thanks for sharing that it's on Hulu. I watched it last night.

It should be apparent by now that I'm not much of a band-wagoner when it comes to movies, but this one met or exceeded every massive expectation I had for it. Yes, I'm a raving fan of this film too and it is among my top three favorite films of last year, well, so far. I still have a few more major films of 2019 to go through (next time: 'The Lighthouse' now that it's coming to Amazon Prime in a few days) I almost don't have much else to say about 'Parasite' though because I don't have much new to add to what has already been said about it over and over again.

I will say that in going into it trying to avoid as much information about it as possible, as is often advised by those who recommend it, even while it was blowing up in popularity; I was caught off-guard by how surprisingly lighthearted it was, at least for the first half. I anticipated it to be mostly dark and dour. It certainly was at times, but it had a great balance in terms of its tone. Bong himself has described it as a "tragicomedy," and that actually seems like a pretty apt description of it. It isn't the pure white-knuckle thriller film that I expected. Though it did succeed at being incredibly tense at times. Once a certain turn happened, I was on the edge of my couch for the remainder of the movie.

Also usually I am able to find something about any film that I disliked. After all, no film is truly perfect. And for this one I was a little bothered by how absurdly gullible and oblivious the Park family was. It didn't seem very realistic and I was kind of frustrated by it. BUT after thinking about it a bit, even that works! When I considered the motifs, subtexts, and themes of this film that actually ended up having its place. In fact, the more I think about the movie overall, the more I like it. It really is crafted to the nines. Thought was considered for every single solitary detail of this film. 

So yeah, this film is near-perfect and has earned every accolade it has received.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: GoTfan on April 12, 2020, 05:51:46 PM
Went back to watch Amazing Grace yesterday. Absolutely fantastic.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: T'Chenka on April 12, 2020, 06:59:12 PM
I watched Gaslight (1940) and Gaslight (1944) this week. Both were good but IMO not "very good". I'm slightly disappointed but I don't regret watching them.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: QAnonKelly on April 13, 2020, 10:21:17 AM
Fyi, Parasite's on Hulu now. My sister and I watched it last night and I enjoyed it greatly. Probably need to see it again to form a full opinion.

Thanks for sharing that it's on Hulu. I watched it last night.

It should be apparent by now that I'm not much of a band-wagoner when it comes to movies, but this one met or exceeded every massive expectation I had for it. Yes, I'm a raving fan of this film too and it is among my top three favorite films of last year, well, so far. I still have a few more major films of 2019 to go through (next time: 'The Lighthouse' now that it's coming to Amazon Prime in a few days) I almost don't have much else to say about 'Parasite' though because I don't have much new to add to what has already been said about it over and over again.

I will say that in going into it trying to avoid as much information about it as possible, as is often advised by those who recommend it, even while it was blowing up in popularity; I was caught off-guard by how surprisingly lighthearted it was, at least for the first half. I anticipated it to be mostly dark and dour. It certainly was at times, but it had a great balance in terms of its tone. Bong himself has described it as a "tragicomedy," and that actually seems like a pretty apt description of it. It isn't the pure white-knuckle thriller film that I expected. Though it did succeed at being incredibly tense at times. Once a certain turn happened, I was on the edge of my couch for the remainder of the movie.

Also usually I am able to find something about any film that I disliked. After all, no film is truly perfect. And for this one I was a little bothered by how absurdly gullible and oblivious the Park family was. It didn't seem very realistic and I was kind of frustrated by it. BUT after thinking about it a bit, even that works! When I considered the motifs, subtexts, and themes of this film that actually ended up having its place. In fact, the more I think about the movie overall, the more I like it. It really is crafted to the nines. Thought was considered for every single solitary detail of this film. 

So yeah, this film is near-perfect and has earned every accolade it has received.

I knew the plot switched at the halfway point but I was surprised just how well it was pulled off.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on April 18, 2020, 06:33:22 PM
I saw 'The Lighthouse' last night. Yep, add another one to my favorite movies of last year list. It was as great as I expected. Robert Eggers really might be becoming one of my favorite directors too. I can't wait to see what else he has up his sleeve. I'm loving these artsy surrealist period pieces with people in isolation and meeting creepy animals. This one isn't really a horror film as 'The Witch' was though. It's kind of genre-bending. It's like if David Lynch directed 'The Shining.'

Between Eggers' two films, I still think I prefer 'The Witch' overall. That movie made me feel more, and what I felt was dread and a lack of sleep due to nightmares. Seriously, I know others may not disagree, but that film is the scariest movie I have ever seen. That's not to say that I felt nothing from 'The Lighthouse' though. I felt a lot, just not at as high of a level as the uneasiness I had in watching 'The Witch.' Also 'The Witch' clicked for me a little more. I understood it pretty easily. 'The Lighthouse' is a bit more abstract and seems to require more thought and interpretation. I think I mostly got it, but there are still a few gaps and things that I can't quite piece together though. It might require another watch at some point, and I'll be more than happy to do so.

Thankfully, unlike with the first time I watched 'The Witch,' I remembered to put subtitles on so that I knew exactly what the characters were saying in their period form of communication. 'The Lighthouse' is more contemporary though so even if I didn't, I still would understood the majority of what they were saying. Though it's better with subtitles on, even if it's just for Willem Dafoe's monologue where he chides Robert Pattinson for not liking his cooking. That was my favorite moment of the film, and maybe one of my favorite film monologues ever. I want to memorize it and say it to whomever I get into a future argument with. Supposedly Dafoe delivered the full two minute monologue in one take without blinking too. Now that's impressive! And it made what already became my favorite performance of 2019 all that much better. Pattinson was good too, and continues to prove that he is actually a good actor in spite of the 'Twilight' series. But once again I found myself noticing an inconsistency in the accent he was using. It started out sounding like Dafoe's sailor dialect, but then morphed into a New England accent as the film went on. I wonder if maybe it was intentional though, as part of a deception that is revealed about Pattinson's character eventually. I don't know. But either way, it did not impair my enjoyment of this film.

It's not for everyone, but it was definitely for me. I welcome more fart jokes in art films. Yeah, the film actually has a decent amount of humor in it too. It's truly unique.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: T'Chenka on April 22, 2020, 04:29:09 AM
I just watched Gräns ("Border"), a 2018 Swedish indie film that was nominated for Best Hairstyling & Make-up at the Oscars. It was a VERY unique film with high potential, good cinematography and good acting. I give the film a solid B (6.0/10) because it's a mixed bag of really good stuff and a couple of things that really made the film noticeably worse than it had to be. Overall a good and unique film worth watching.

The dialogue could've been better. The film moves a bit slow later on but glacially slow for the first half. The worst part IMO was the character depth. All of the actors do a VERY good job considering what the screenplay gives them in this regard, unfortunately the screenplay doesn't give them enough depth (IMO) and the film suffers for it.

There are some truly "WTF" moments in this movie that I wouldn't want to spoil for you. It's one of those "the less you know beforehand, the better" type of movies.

My honest recommendations are:

--- go in completely and totally blind

OR

--- watch the official trailer I've posted below
--- watch this movie later if you get a chance to see it
--- don't watch the trailer more than once or twice
--- don't watch the trailer if you plan to watch the film shortly afterwards




Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: T'Chenka on July 05, 2020, 04:36:55 PM
Summer 2020 Update

The Oscars have moved from Feb 2021 to Apr 2021. Several of the anticipated awards season films have been pushed to next year. Most of the big movies this year haven't come out and could possibly be pushed until winter or 2021.

Hollywood is mostly watching COVID-19's status in New York, California, Texas and Florida (and Europe, China) to see when it will be safe and profitable to stop delaying the films and release them in theaters.

The big contenders
MANK - Netflix film due for end of the year
DA 5 BLOODS - On Netflix now, didn't quite reach all the expectations
WEST SIDE STORY - Due in December
THE TRIAL OF THE CHICAGO 7 - Just purchased by Netflix
DUNE - Due for December
TENET - Due for August (delay coming?)
THE FRENCH DISPATCH - due for October
AMMONITE - Coming to Toronto International Film Festival
NOMADLAND - Might be pushed to 2021
HILLBILLY ELEGY - Netflix film coming in a few months
MINARI - Already had a film festival debut
SOUL - Due for festival debut, due in November
NEWS OF THE WORLD - Due in December
NEXT GOAL WINS - No release date, post-production finishing now

Then there are another 10 or 15 films being talked about, a few will be really good
C'mon C'mon
Respect
The United States vs Billie Holiday
Stillwater
Red, White, And Water
On The Rocks
several more I don't want to type right now

Delayed or extremely likely to be delayed
Nightmare Alley
untitled David O Russell film
The Last Duel
Last Night In Soho
Infinite
Blonde
King Richard
Eternals
In The Heights
The Many Saints Of Newark
Everybody's Talking About Jamie


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Mike Thick on July 05, 2020, 05:24:10 PM
I'm Thinking of Ending Things, Charlie Kaufman's new movie for Netflix, is coming out in September (https://www.nme.com/news/film/charlie-kaufmans-new-film-im-thinking-of-ending-things-arrives-on-netflix-this-september-2700141). He kind of fell off after Synecdoche, but I think this could be in contention for Adapted Screenplay. Jesse Plemons, the lead actor, is no slouch either.

I have tickets to a virtual event with Kaufman tomorrow night. It was supposed to be an in-person thing, but they had to move it online because of COVID. Kind of bittersweet -- he's probably my favorite writer alive for any medium, and I was really looking forward to seeing him in person. Sure it'll be a blast nonetheless, though.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: T'Chenka on December 01, 2020, 06:15:17 AM
BUMP

We are now getting into Oscar season. I'm going to post a bit of info here and hopefully we can have some fun but spoiler-free conversations.

BEST PICTURE FRONT-RUNNERS
- Nomadland (in theaters Dec 04)
- Mank (streaming on Netflix starting Dec 04)
- The Trial Of The Chicago 7 (streaming on Netflix now)

BEST PICTURE - SECOND TIER FILMS
- One Night In Miami (streaming on Amazon Prime starting Jan 15)
- The Father (in theaters Dec 18)
- Ma Rainey's Black Bottom (streaming on Netflix starting Dec 18)
- Soul (streaming on Disney+ starting Dec 25)

BEST PICTURE - "MAYBE / MAYBE NOT" FILMS
- Minari
- The United States vs Billie Holiday
- News Of The World
- Judas And The Black Messiah
- Da 5 Bloods
- Cherry
- Hillbilly Elegy
- Promising Young Woman

OTHER NOTES
- Best Actor will either be Chadwick Boseman or Anthony Hopkins
- Amanda Seyfried is the front-runner for Best Supporting Actress
- Chloe Zhao has (IMO whatev it's worth) a very good shot at Best Director
- Soul and Wolfwalkers are front-runners for Best Animated Feature


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: T'Chenka on December 01, 2020, 06:19:34 AM
I've seen The Trial Of The Chicago 7, and despite it being a very well made and "good" movie, it doesn't deserve to win Best Picture. I rate this movie below Green Book, which I thought 2 years ago was not good enough to win Best Picture.

All reviews indicate that Mank is too "out there" and lacks mass appeal, so it probably won't win even if it's clearly better than Chicago 7. Therefore, at this juncture, my early prediction is that Nomadland will win Best Picture via winning Best Director. If you didn't know, almost every Best Picture winner also wins Best Director or Best Screenplay or both, so without winning either, your "path" to Best Picture is possible but very unlikely.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on December 01, 2020, 07:14:16 PM
It's funny that this thread is being bumped because I finally saw '1917' the other night. It was definitely a nice change of pace from your typical war movie and even though a lot of people have claimed that it's a style over substance movie, you cannot hold the style of this movie against it. It wasn't a gimmick, it just added to the suspense and thrills. This movie really was a feat that deserves as much recognition as possible for the craft that went into it. One thing that was notable to me were the varied locations and colors in each of them. When you picture World War I you picture mud and trenches, and while there was plenty of that, you also saw that war, even at its most brutal can create breath-taking scenery. It definitely helps to undertake something like this when you have Roger Deakins, the King of Cinematography, working on your film. The technical aspects aside I also actually gave a s*** about our characters in this movie. I was invested in them and their objective's. This movie is like what 'Dunkirk' should have been. I enjoyed it a lot, and that's even without seeing it in a theater. I don't usually like seeing movies in theaters, but I could definitely see why people advised how a big screen enhances the experience. I kind of wish I did now.

So with that I am finally caught up on the big Oscar movies from last year. I personally think that 'Uncut Gems' was my absolute favorite from last year though, even as it didn't get any Academy Awards. Hell, I watched it again recently. I love that movie.

In 2020 however I have absolutely no idea what the Awards Season is going to like for this year. In fact, I have only seen four movies that came out this year and none of them are awards worthy to me.

I'm Thinking of Ending Things, Charlie Kaufman's new movie for Netflix, is coming out in September (https://www.nme.com/news/film/charlie-kaufmans-new-film-im-thinking-of-ending-things-arrives-on-netflix-this-september-2700141). He kind of fell off after Synecdoche, but I think this could be in contention for Adapted Screenplay. Jesse Plemons, the lead actor, is no slouch either.

I have tickets to a virtual event with Kaufman tomorrow night. It was supposed to be an in-person thing, but they had to move it online because of COVID. Kind of bittersweet -- he's probably my favorite writer alive for any medium, and I was really looking forward to seeing him in person. Sure it'll be a blast nonetheless, though.

I watched it a few weeks ago. I like most of Kaufman's films aside from 'Being John Malkovich' (a controversial opinion perhaps), but this was one where I didn't quite hate it, but I didn't like it all either. I enjoyed the acting, surrealism-as I often do with movies, and surprisingly ominous tone but the parts where the two leads were talking in the car (roughly 45 minutes of the entire movie) was kind of agonizing. I think I mostly understood the movie's themes and how those scenes factored into it, but that doesn't mean it was fun to watch. I also thought the overall point of the movie ended up in a fairly simplistic place after all the build-up. It was definitely one of the more unique films I've seen with how it seems to blend genres, I'll give it that. And it really made me want ice cream.


Title: Re: Film Discussion (and Awards Season)
Post by: T'Chenka on December 10, 2020, 03:58:50 AM
I watched Mank tonight.

Pretty good movie. Not mindblowing or incredible, but 100% deserves a Best Picture nomination, even in other stronger years than 2020. For example, if we combined 2017 2018 and 2019 into one Oscar season, I would nominate this for Best Picture over Green Book, Get Out, BlackKklansman, Black Panther, Vice, Ford V Ferrari, Darkest Hour, Bohemian Rhapsody and The Post.

I honestly prefer it to The Trial Of The Chicago 7 for Best Picture. Which brings me to my next point: Mank vs Chicago 7 is definitely Roma vs Green Book all over again. However, this year we also have Nomadland as a wildcard. I haven't seen that yet.

I don't think Mank or Chicago 7 are ideal Best Picture winners, so my preferences thus far are this:

1 - Nomadland (really good - 4/5 stars or better)
2 - Mank
3 - Nomadland (fairly good - 3.5 or 3.75 stars)
4 - The Trial Of The Chicago 7
5 - Nomadland (just so-so - 3.25 star film or less)


In my opinion, the folllowing nominations for Mank should be locks, and them not hapening would be snubs.
- Best Picture
- Best Actor (Gary Oldman)
- Best Supporting Actress (Amanda Seyfried)
- Best Cinematography
- Best Original Score
- Best Production Design


Title: Re: Film & 2021 Oscars - Nomadland, Chicago 7 or Mank?
Post by: T'Chenka on January 02, 2021, 07:46:44 PM
SOUL
4.0 stars out of 5

This is a very good and enjoyable movie, and I'd certainly recommend it to anybody who likes animated films. I felt that the emotional beats and "moral of the story" didn't fully nail the landings, and the third act was a mixed bag of greatness and sloppiness, in my opinion. People hyping this to be better than Toy Story are smoking something I think. Still quite good. This will probably win Best Animated Feature unless Wolfwalkers pulls an upset.


MA RAINEY'S BLACK BOTTOM
3.25 stars out of 5

The acting and dialogue is absolutely top notch in the movie. Chadwick Boseman MUST be nominated for Best Actor and he will probably win, unless Anthony Hopkins does. Well made film in generally every way, except for the script (non-dialogue aspects) and pacing, which prevent this from being a 4 star film.


Title: Re: Film, 2021 Oscars - Nomadland, Chicago 7, Mank, Soul?
Post by: Middle-aged Europe on January 02, 2021, 08:42:33 PM
I've also seen Mank tonight.

Not Fincher's best work, but Gary Oldman still deserves an Oscar for it.


Title: Re: Film, Oscars - Nomadland, Chicago 7, Judas? [GLOBES nominees announced]
Post by: T'Chenka on February 03, 2021, 10:22:32 PM
UPDATE
Golden Globes nominees have been announced.


2020 films - Oscars - Best Picture nominees

WILL DEFINITELY BE NOMINATED
- Nomadland
- The Trial Of The Chicago 7 (netflix)

EXTREMELY LIKELY TO BE NOMINATED
- Judas And The Black Messiah
- Ma Rainey's Black Bottom (netflix)
- One Night In Miami (amazon prime)
- Promising Young Woman

VERY LIKELY TO BE NOMINATED
- Mank (netflix)
- The Father

POSSIBLY WILL BE NOMINATED
- (0 or 1 or 2 other films TO BE DETERMINED)
----- Da 5 Bloods (netflix) ?
----- Minari ?
----- News Of The World ?
----- Soul (disney+) ?

CLICK HERE TO SEE GOLDEN GLOBES NOMINEES (https://www.reddit.com/r/oscarrace/comments/lbjdwk/78th_golden_globe_awards_nominations/)


Title: Re: Film, Oscars - Nomadland, Chicago 7, Judas? [GLOBES nominees announced]
Post by: Former Crackhead Mike Lindell on February 04, 2021, 01:11:17 PM
Da 5 Bloods was phenomenal, hoping it exceeds expectations when it comes to the Oscars. Delroy Lindo, AT LEAST, deserves a nomination.


Title: Re: GOLDEN GLOBES, Oscars, film discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on February 27, 2021, 09:03:53 PM
The Golden Globes will be taking place tomorrow night (Sunday Feb 28th).

Whichever film wins "Best Picture - Drama" has a very good shot at winning Best Picture at the Oscars in April.


Title: Re: GOLDEN GLOBES, Oscars, film discussion
Post by: NewYorkExpress on February 27, 2021, 09:21:07 PM
I wouldn't be shocked, given how weak the field is compared to most years, for Soul to win both Best Animated Picture (where it's a lock), and Best Picture (harder, but if an animated movie were to pull this off, this would be the year.)


Title: Re: GOLDEN GLOBES, Oscars, film discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on February 27, 2021, 09:39:39 PM
I wouldn't be shocked, given how weak the field is compared to most years, for Soul to win both Best Animated Picture (where it's a lock), and Best Picture (harder, but if an animated movie were to pull this off, this would be the year.)
There was talk of that in the autumn, but based on all the precursor awards, at this point Best Picture looks like "one in a milion" odds.


Title: Re: GOLDEN GLOBES, Oscars, film discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on February 27, 2021, 09:41:18 PM
Two of the big movies this year - "Mank" and "Judas And The Black Messiah" - prominently feature historical American socialists: Herman Mankewicz and Fred Hampton.


Title: Re: GOLDEN GLOBES, Oscars, film discussion
Post by: DaleCooper on February 27, 2021, 10:35:11 PM
I don't think Mank will win Best Picture. Those biopics about great men and women in the industry tend to win the acting awards but not Best Picture.


Title: Re: GOLDEN GLOBES, Oscars, film discussion
Post by: Former Crackhead Mike Lindell on February 27, 2021, 11:28:06 PM
Two of the big movies this year - "Mank" and "Judas And The Black Messiah" - prominently feature historical American socialists: Herman Mankewicz and Fred Hampton.

Trial of the Chicago 7 heavily features Fred Hampton too!


Title: Re: GOLDEN GLOBES, Oscars, film discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on February 28, 2021, 01:26:01 AM
Two of the big movies this year - "Mank" and "Judas And The Black Messiah" - prominently feature historical American socialists: Herman Mankewicz and Fred Hampton.

Trial of the Chicago 7 heavily features Fred Hampton too!
I wouldn't say "heavily". Don't want to get in spoiler territory here so I'll leave it at that.


Title: Re: GOLDEN GLOBES, Oscars, film discussion
Post by: NewYorkExpress on March 16, 2021, 07:33:23 AM
Oscar nominees are in (https://www.oscars.org/news/93rd-oscarsr-nominations-announced)

I have to say, Disney/Pixar did really well for themselves, having two of their films be nominated for Best Animated Feature in Onward and Soul.

I certainly wasn't expecting Onward to get nominated, so I wonder what the committee saw in it.


Title: Re: GOLDEN GLOBES, Oscars, film discussion
Post by: T'Chenka on March 18, 2021, 02:54:53 AM
CURRENT SITUATION:

Front runner = Nomadland

Real contenders = Chicago 7, Pfomising Young Woman

Dark horses = Minari, The Father

Pretenders = Sound Of Metal, Judas

Will NOT be winning = Mank

The WGA and PGA awards coming in the next week the last chance for Sound Of Metal and Judas to gain any kind of momentum. After that, Minari could improve due to SAGs and DGA, whereas The Father could improve due to the BAFTAs.

The most likely outcome at the Oscars now is that Nomadland wins Director and faces off against the Original Screenplay winner (Chicago 7 / Promising) for Best Picture.


Title: Re: Oscar nominees announced (film discussion)
Post by: T'Chenka on March 18, 2021, 03:05:56 AM
2020 films - Oscars - Best Picture nominees
- Judas And The Black Messiah
- Mank (netflix)
- Minari
- Nomadland
- Promising Young Woman
- Sound Of Metal (amazon prime)
- The Father
- The Trial Of The Chicago 7 (netflix)

2020 films - Oscars - Best Director/Screenplay (but not Picture) nominees
- Another Round
- Borat: Subsequent Moviefilm (amazon prime)
- One Night In Miami (amazon prime)
- The White Tiger (netflix)


Title: Re: Oscar nominees announced (film discussion)
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on March 18, 2021, 10:40:11 PM
I wasn't all that enchanted with 'One Night in Miami' but I am really shocked that it wasn't nominated for more. The Academy really missed an opportunity to pat themselves on the back for having it in the running for Best Picture or Regina King for Best Director.

Otherwise I'm not all that surprised by the other nominees save for Maria Balukova and Glenn Close getting nominated, for two different reasons: I didn't think 'Borat 2' would get any nominations (if 2020 was a great year for anyone it was Sacha Baron Cohen). Maybe it was the anti-Trump themes that put it over.  I'm happy for Balukova though. I really did love her in the movie. As for Close I heard that she was just over-the-top in 'Hillbilly Elegy' and that the movie in itself was kind of terrible. Also she looks like that guy from 'Trailer Park Boys' and I can't get past it.

Also I never even heard of 'Minari' or 'The Father' until the nominations were announced.



Title: Re: Oscar nominees announced (film discussion)
Post by: T'Chenka on March 19, 2021, 12:01:59 PM
I wasn't all that enchanted with 'One Night in Miami' but I am really shocked that it wasn't nominated for more. The Academy really missed an opportunity to pat themselves on the back for having it in the running for Best Picture or Regina King for Best Director.

Otherwise I'm not all that surprised by the other nominees save for Maria Balukova and Glenn Close getting nominated, for two different reasons: I didn't think 'Borat 2' would get any nominations (if 2020 was a great year for anyone it was Sacha Baron Cohen). Maybe it was the anti-Trump themes that put it over.  I'm happy for Balukova though. I really did love her in the movie. As for Close I heard that she was just over-the-top in 'Hillbilly Elegy' and that the movie in itself was kind of terrible. Also she looks like that guy from 'Trailer Park Boys' and I can't get past it.

Also I never even heard of 'Minari' or 'The Father' until the nominations were announced.


I use the app Letterboxd to make movie lists and check average ratinfs of movies by other users, and both Minari and The Father have very high average scores. I'd like to see both. As for One Night In Miami, it JUST missed Best Picture, and if they had nominated just one more film, it would have been that one. The Best Director race had a clear top 4 directors, and speculation on whi would recieve the 5th nomination circled around Aarom Sorkin, Regina King, Darius Marder, Florian Zeller and Shaka King. At one point earlier on, Regina King was the favourite. In the end, the Academy ignored all of those directors to select Thomas Vinterberg.


Title: Re: Oscars discussion (and film discussion)
Post by: T'Chenka on March 09, 2022, 06:19:33 AM
Updated the first two posts and bumped.

Oscars are in 2.5 weeks on Sunday. I've watched all of the Best Picture nominees and am just waiting for the awards ceremony. Sadly, it seems EXTREMELY likely that The Power Of The Dog is going to win this year, so there isn't as much excitement. Still, it's been a decent year for film. Not amazing but not mediocre.


Title: Re: Oscars: Sunday March 27 (and film discussion)
Post by: T'Chenka on March 09, 2022, 06:22:05 AM
My ranking of the Best Picture movies:

4.5 / 5 stars
- West Side Story
- Drive My Car

4.0 / 5 stars
- Dune
- Licorice Pizza

3.5 / 5 stars
- The Power Of The Dog
- King Richard
- Belfast
- CODA
- Nightmare Alley

3.0 / 5 stars
- Don't Look Up


Title: Re: Oscars: Sunday March 27 (and film discussion)
Post by: T'Chenka on March 09, 2022, 06:30:28 AM
My predictions for the awards winners:

BEST PICTURE - The Power Of The Dog
BEST DIRECTOR - Jane Campion (The Power Of The Dog)
BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY - Licorice Pizza
BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY - The Power Of The Dog

BEST ACTRESS - Jessica Chastain (The Eyes Of Tammy Faye)
BEST ACTOR - Will Smith (King Richard)
BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS - Ariana DeBose (West Side Story)
BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR - Kodi Smit-McPhee (The Power Of The Dog)

BEST INTERNATIONAL FEATURE - Drive My Car
BEST ANIMATED FEATURE - Encanto
BEST DOCUMENTARY FEATURE - Summer Of Soul

BEST EDITING - Dune
BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY - The Power Of The Dog
BEST VISUAL EFFECTS - Dune
BEST PRODUCTION DESIGN - Dune
BEST COSTUMES - Cruella
BEST HAIR & MAKEUP - The Eyes Of Tammy Faye
BEST SOUND - Dune
BEST ORIGINAL SCORE - Dune
BEST ORIGINAL SONG - "No Time To Die" (No Time To Die)


Title: Re: Oscars: Sunday March 27 (and film discussion)
Post by: T'Chenka on March 31, 2022, 01:39:32 AM
Ranking the Best Picture winners:

AMAZING
- West Side Story
- Drive My Car

GREAT
- Dune
- Licorice Pizza

VERY VERY GOOD
- The Power Of The Dog

VERY GOOD
- King Richard

GOOD (ABOVE-AVERAGE)
- Belfast
- CODA
- Nightmare Alley

AVERAGE
- Don't Look Up


Title: Re: Oscars: Sunday March 27 (and film discussion)
Post by: T'Chenka on March 31, 2022, 01:40:55 AM
My ranking of 2021 films:
https://letterboxd.com/kingtchenka/list/2021-films-ranked/

My ranking of the decade so far:
https://letterboxd.com/kingtchenka/list/decade-ranked-2020s/


Title: Re: Oscars (and film discussion): CODA wins Best Picture
Post by: T'Chenka on March 31, 2022, 01:52:46 AM
My list of "30 movies from 2022 most likely to get into Best Picture":

01. Babylon
02. Bardo (Or False Chronicle Of A Handful of Truths)
03. [Apple+] Killers Of The Flower Moon
04. Empire Of Light
05. [Netflix] Maestro (likely 2023 not 2022)
06. The Son
07. The Fabelmans
08. Canterbury Glass
09. Next Goal Wins
10. She Said
11. [Netflix] White Noise
12. Asteroid City
13. The Banshees Of Inisherin
14. Till
15. [Netflix] Rustin
16. Avatar 2
17. Thirteen Lives
18. Armageddon Time
19. [Netflix] All Quiet On The Western Front
20. Napoleon
21. Women Talking
22. Red White And Water
23. Tár
24. [Netflix] Knives Out 2
25. Three Thousand Years Of Longing
26. [Netflix] The Killer
27. Poor Things
28. Fever
29. Triangle Of Sadness
30. The Wonder

Even if you don't care much about the Oscars, a lot of the big dramas of the year are here. If you're big into action, comedy, horror, then most of those were left off of this list. Some of these will end up being "just okay" but some of these will be great movies. A handful may be delayed until 2023 possibly.


Title: Re: Oscars (and film discussion): CODA wins Best Picture
Post by: kyc0705 on March 31, 2022, 12:53:24 PM
My ranking of this year's Best Picture nominees:

A:
Drive My Car
The Power of the Dog
West Side Story

B:
Nightmare Alley
Dune
Licorice Pizza

B-/C+:
CODA
King Richard
Belfast

D:
Don't Look Up


Title: Re: Oscars (and film discussion): CODA wins Best Picture
Post by: T'Chenka on May 17, 2022, 02:32:48 AM
Everything Everywhere All At Once is now available on iTunes (and presumably digital VOD) and will arrive on DVD and Bluray on June 14th. EDIT - the iTunes and VOD release were quietly delayed 3 weeks unfortunately.

Make sure you check this out... most unique film of the decade and one of the best - possibly THE best - film of the decade so far. It has at least four genres mixed together, probably more, and you've NEVER seen a film like this. It's better if you don't look into the film too much or tell people too much about it before they see it. Just go in knowing very little or nothing and enjoy (and recommend to others). This is ALREADY a cult classic and it hasn't been out for 3 months yet.

Could be a big Oscars player but it isn't an "Oscars" type of film. So maybe not.


Title: Re: Oscars (and film discussion): CODA wins Best Picture
Post by: nicholas.slaydon on May 17, 2022, 01:55:43 PM
Everything Everywhere All At Once is now available on iTunes (and presumably digital VOD) and will arrive on DVD and Bluray on June 14th. EDIT - the iTunes and VOD release were quietly delayed 3 weeks unfortunately.

Make sure you check this out... most unique film of the decade and one of the best - possibly THE best - film of the decade so far. It has at least four genres mixed together, probably more, and you've NEVER seen a film like this. It's better if you don't look into the film too much or tell people too much about it before they see it. Just go in knowing very little or nothing and enjoy (and recommend to others). This is ALREADY a cult classic and it hasn't been out for 3 months yet.

Could be a big Oscars player but it isn't an "Oscars" type of film. So maybe not.
Unfortunately I don't think it will get any Oscar attention. It's unfortunate, as I don't think the studio really considered whether it could even have a chance at the awards, and I think it could. It really should have been released later in the years just to see whether it could have gotten some awards buzz, and I think it could have.


Title: Re: Film discussion (and Oscars season)
Post by: T'Chenka on August 29, 2022, 04:09:23 PM
With the trio of Venice, Telluride and TIFF kicking off on Wednesday, a little update for the Oscars...

Notable films leading the pack for BEST PICTURE:
- Babylon
- The Fabelmans
- Bardo, False Chronicle Of A Handful of Truths
- Empire Of Light
- The Son
- Everything Everywhere All At Once
- Women Talking

Notable performances for BEST ACTOR:
- Hugh Jackman (The Son)
- Austin Butler (Elvis)
- Brendan Fraser (The Whale)

Notable performances for BEST ACTRESS:
- Olivia Colman (Empire Of Light)
- Margot Robbie (Babylon)
- Cate Blanchett (Tár)

Notable performances for BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR:
- Ke Huy Quan (Everything Everywhere All At Once)
- Brad Pitt (Babylon)
- Paul Dano (The Fabelmans)

Notable performances for BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS:
- Michelle Williams (The Fabelmans)
- Jessie Buckley (Women Talking)
- Vanessa Kirby (The Son)
- Laura Dern (The Son)


Title: Re: Oscars (and film discussion): CODA wins Best Picture
Post by: T'Chenka on August 29, 2022, 04:11:01 PM
Everything Everywhere All At Once is now available on iTunes (and presumably digital VOD) and will arrive on DVD and Bluray on June 14th. EDIT - the iTunes and VOD release were quietly delayed 3 weeks unfortunately.

Make sure you check this out... most unique film of the decade and one of the best - possibly THE best - film of the decade so far. It has at least four genres mixed together, probably more, and you've NEVER seen a film like this. It's better if you don't look into the film too much or tell people too much about it before they see it. Just go in knowing very little or nothing and enjoy (and recommend to others). This is ALREADY a cult classic and it hasn't been out for 3 months yet.

Could be a big Oscars player but it isn't an "Oscars" type of film. So maybe not.
Unfortunately I don't think it will get any Oscar attention. It's unfortunate, as I don't think the studio really considered whether it could even have a chance at the awards, and I think it could. It really should have been released later in the years just to see whether it could have gotten some awards buzz, and I think it could have.

Everyone still seems to be predicting it now as we enter September, which is surprising. I think it has a decent chance of showing up at the Oscars now.


Title: Re: Film discussion (and Oscars season)
Post by: NewYorkExpress on August 29, 2022, 04:22:12 PM
I'm still thinking Elvis is going to be nominated for something, be it Best Picture, best Director for Baz Luhrmann, or Best Actor/Best Supporting Actor for Tom Hanks/Austin Parker.


Title: Re: Film discussion (and Oscars season)
Post by: T'Chenka on August 29, 2022, 04:38:27 PM
I'm still thinking Elvis is going to be nominated for something, be it Best Picture, best Director for Baz Luhrmann, or Best Actor/Best Supporting Actor for Tom Hanks/Austin Parker.

Butler for Best Actor is possible
Hanks for Supporting Actor is possible but fairly unlikely
Luhrmann for Director is possible but fairly unlikely
Best Picture is possible... maybe a 30ish% chance of happening?

Some tech noms like Hair & Makeup, Production Design are certainly possible. Costumes is likely.


Title: Re: Oscars (and film discussion): CODA wins Best Picture
Post by: nicholas.slaydon on August 29, 2022, 06:15:02 PM
Everything Everywhere All At Once is now available on iTunes (and presumably digital VOD) and will arrive on DVD and Bluray on June 14th. EDIT - the iTunes and VOD release were quietly delayed 3 weeks unfortunately.

Make sure you check this out... most unique film of the decade and one of the best - possibly THE best - film of the decade so far. It has at least four genres mixed together, probably more, and you've NEVER seen a film like this. It's better if you don't look into the film too much or tell people too much about it before they see it. Just go in knowing very little or nothing and enjoy (and recommend to others). This is ALREADY a cult classic and it hasn't been out for 3 months yet.

Could be a big Oscars player but it isn't an "Oscars" type of film. So maybe not.
Unfortunately I don't think it will get any Oscar attention. It's unfortunate, as I don't think the studio really considered whether it could even have a chance at the awards, and I think it could. It really should have been released later in the years just to see whether it could have gotten some awards buzz, and I think it could have.

Everyone still seems to be predicting it now as we enter September, which is surprising. I think it has a decent chance of showing up at the Oscars now.
It would really warm my heart for a it to be nominated, and I would even be quite happy if it won for Best Picture (though it has steep odds going up against the likes of Babylon and Thirteen Lives).


Title: Re: Oscars (and film discussion): CODA wins Best Picture
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on August 29, 2022, 07:08:12 PM
My ranking of this year's Best Picture nominees:

A:
Drive My Car
The Power of the Dog
West Side Story

B:
Nightmare Alley
Dune
Licorice Pizza

B-/C+:
CODA
King Richard
Belfast

D:
Don't Look Up

I only saw 'Belfast,' 'Dune,' 'Nightmare Alley,' and 'West Side Story.'

I liked them all to different degrees and would rank them like this:

1. 'Nightmare Alley:' my favorite film of 2021, from what I've seen, and is possibly Del Toro's best film; definitely his best since 'Pan's Labyrinth.

2. 'Dune:' was a great set up for the next film which I think will be better and am really anticipating, but that last third dragged a lot and I still am just not a Timothee Chalamet fan. He didn't do much to make Paul Atreides interesting.

3. 'West Side Story:' superior to the 1960's film, but Ansel Elgort was a real weak-point, and I've always found it hard to buy into the romance.

4. 'Belfast:' cute and enjoyable but a bit on the aimless and forgettable side.


Title: Re: Oscars (and film discussion): CODA wins Best Picture
Post by: T'Chenka on August 29, 2022, 07:14:38 PM

Everyone still seems to be predicting it now as we enter September, which is surprising. I think it has a decent chance of showing up at the Oscars now.

It would really warm my heart for a it to be nominated, and I would even be quite happy if it won for Best Picture (though it has steep odds going up against the likes of Babylon and Thirteen Lives).

Apprently Thirteen Lives isn't going to be campaigned very hard for Best Picture. Some people have read the Babylon script - not me, I avoid spoilers - and say it's too weird to win Best Picture. We'll see.

Things will become more clear in the next few weeks, but I think the "big 5" of the year so far that could actually in Picture are Babylon Bardo Fabelmans Empire Son, with Women Talking and Everything Everywhere All At Once being the biggest contenders on the more "lowkey" side. Making the top 5 + those 2 into a "top 7". Most awards predictions right now from experts, insiders and film nerds have most or all of those top 7 in their predictions for the 10 films being nominated for Best Picture.


Title: Re: Oscars (and film discussion): CODA wins Best Picture
Post by: nicholas.slaydon on August 30, 2022, 01:47:33 PM

Everyone still seems to be predicting it now as we enter September, which is surprising. I think it has a decent chance of showing up at the Oscars now.

It would really warm my heart for a it to be nominated, and I would even be quite happy if it won for Best Picture (though it has steep odds going up against the likes of Babylon and Thirteen Lives).

Apprently Thirteen Lives isn't going to be campaigned very hard for Best Picture. Some people have read the Babylon script - not me, I avoid spoilers - and say it's too weird to win Best Picture. We'll see.

Things will become more clear in the next few weeks, but I think the "big 5" of the year so far that could actually in Picture are Babylon Bardo Fabelmans Empire Son, with Women Talking and Everything Everywhere All At Once being the biggest contenders on the more "lowkey" side. Making the top 5 + those 2 into a "top 7". Most awards predictions right now from experts, insiders and film nerds have most or all of those top 7 in their predictions for the 10 films being nominated for Best Picture.
Yeah, ever since Amazon bought out MGM and dumped Thirteen Lives into a late July release with next to no promotion of the film I knew they weren't going to be pushing it hard for Best Picture. However, I am still holding out hope for it to be a Green Book style dark horse contender. Why in the world Amazon didn't release Thirteen Lives in theaters in November as MGM was planning to do once it scored the highest of any MGM film ever shown at test screenings is beyond me. It really had the potential to be the crowd pleasing film that can generate the groundswell of support needed to win Best Picture.

I can't speak for the others like The Fabelmans, Empire of Light etc as they're not out yet, and their quality is as yet unknown. However, I don't place a whole lot of stock in what a lot of the professional predictions say, as I've seen some of them that even contain Amsterdam as a potential awards player (and I can assure you with 100% certainty that it is not).


Title: Re: Oscars (and film discussion): CODA wins Best Picture
Post by: T'Chenka on August 30, 2022, 07:20:48 PM

I can't speak for the others like The Fabelmans, Empire of Light etc as they're not out yet, and their quality is as yet unknown. However, I don't place a whole lot of stock in what a lot of the professional predictions say, as I've seen some of them that even contain Amsterdam as a potential awards player (and I can assure you with 100% certainty that it is not).

People were high on Amsterdam up until the spring and then soured on it around that time. I'm personally still slightly high on it (but not for Picture and DEFINITELY not for Director).


Title: Re: Film discussion (and Oscars season)
Post by: NewYorkExpress on September 05, 2022, 08:56:58 PM
Just thought I'd speculate idly on the idea of Our Great National Parks, presented by Barack Obama being named of the winner of either the Best Documentary Short film or the Best Documentary Feature film.

With his Emmy win(s) an Oscars win would put Obama a Tony win away from being an EGOT.


Title: Re: Film discussion (and Oscars season)
Post by: T'Chenka on September 05, 2022, 09:20:24 PM
Telluride and Venice film festivals update:

- Women Talking is apparently very good and a frontrunner to win Best Picture
- Empire Of Light is apparently messy and underwhelming, won't win, MIGHT not even be nominated
- Bardo is apprently pretentious and self-indulgent, probably won't even be nominated
- The Banshees Of Inisherin is apprently VERY very good and likely one of the Best Picture nominees
- The Whale is apparently good but not Academy-friendly. Actor, Makeup, not Best Picture.
- Don't Worry Darling is apparently not very good, also has a lot controversy surrounding it


Title: Re: Film discussion (and Oscars season)
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on September 06, 2022, 06:57:54 PM
Telluride and Venice film festivals update:

- Women Talking is apparently very good and a frontrunner to win Best Picture
- Empire Of Light is apparently messy and underwhelming, won't win, MIGHT not even be nominated
- Bardo is apprently pretentious and self-indulgent, probably won't even be nominated
- The Banshees Of Inisherin is apprently VERY very good and likely one of the Best Picture nominees
- The Whale is apparently good but not Academy-friendly. Actor, Makeup, not Best Picture.
- Don't Worry Darling is apparently not very good, also has a lot controversy surrounding it


I'm looking forward to seeing this one since it reunites the stars of 'In Bruges,' my favorite film of this director. It looks a lot like it, actually.


Title: Re: Film discussion (and Oscars season)
Post by: T'Chenka on September 09, 2022, 12:49:59 AM
The EXTREMELY controversial Netflix film Blonde (which hits netflix in 2 or 3 weeks) was surprisingly well recieved at it's premiere at the Venice Film Festival yesterday.

Controversies:
- it's 2.5 hours long
- they cast a Cuban actress to play Marilyn Monroe
- it's based on a book that is either a fictionalized version of her life, or a conspiracy theory about how her life actually was but it definitely hasn't been verified
- it's rated NC-17 (more "adult" than rated R) despite being a netflix film
- SPOILER WARNING (NC-17 stuff being described:
Spoiler alert! Click Show to show the content.



Critics at the festival have basically said it's a "good" film (not great, not amazing), but considering the above-mentioned stuff, I'm impressed.

Before all of these controversies were known to people... so say, 12 to 18 months ago, people were speculating that this could be a frontrunner for Best Actress. At this point, I think it's safe to say that the Oscars will probably ignore this film.


Title: Re: Film discussion (and Oscars season)
Post by: T'Chenka on October 17, 2022, 03:59:03 AM
UPDATE - MID OCTOBER

Likeliness to be a Best Picture nominee:

1. The Fabelmans
2. Women Talking
3. Everything Everywhere All At Once
4. Babylon
5. The Banshees Of Inisherin
6. Top Gun: Maverick
7. She Said
8. Guillermo Del Toro's Pinocchio
9. Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery
10. Avatar: The Way Of Water
11. All Quiet On The Western Front
12. Empire Of Light
13. Tár
14. Triangle Of Sadness
15. Elvis
16. Bardo: False Chronicle Of A Handful Of Truths
17. The Whale
18. The Son
19. Till
20. I Wanna Dance With Somebody

Potential / likely performances for acting nominations:

- The Fabelmans - Michelle Williams (Actress or Supporting Actress)
- The Fabelmans - Judd Hirsch (Supporting Actor)
- Women Talking - Jessie Buckley (Supporting Actress)
- Women Talking - Claire Foy (Supporting Actress)
- Women Talking - Ben Whishaw (Supporting Actor)
- Everything Everywhere All At Once - Key Huy Quan (Supporting Actor)
- Babylon - Margot Robbie (Actress)
- Babylon - Brad Pitt (Supporting Actor)
- Babylon - Jean Smart (Supporting Actress)
- The Banshees Of Inisherin - Colin Farrell (Actor)
- The Banshees Of Inisherin - Brendan Gleeson (Supporting Actor)
- She Said - Carey Mulligan (Actress)
- Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery - Janelle Monae (Supporting Actress)
- Empire Of Light - Olivia Colman (Actress)
- Tár - Cate Blanchett (Actress)
- Elvis - Austin Butler (Actor)
- The Whale - Brendan Fraser (Actor)
- The Whale - Hong Chau (Supporting Actress)
- The Son - Hugh Jackman (Actor)
- The Son - Laura Dern (Supporting Actress)
- The Son - Vanessa Kirby (Supporting Actress)
- Till - Danielle Deadwyler (Actress)
- I Wanna Dance With Somebody - Naomi Ackie (Actress)


Title: Re: Film discussion (and Oscars season)
Post by: NewYorkExpress on November 08, 2022, 01:11:24 AM
Jimmy Kimmel will be hosting this year's Academy Awards. (https://people.com/movies/jimmy-kimmel-to-host-95th-oscars-everyone-good-said-no/)


Title: Re: Film discussion (and Oscars season)
Post by: T'Chenka on November 08, 2022, 03:17:29 AM
It's all coming soon...

Dec 12 - Golden Globes nominations
Jan 10 - Golden Globes ceremony

Jan 24 - Academy Awards nominations
Mar 12 - Academy Awards ceremony


Title: Re: Film and awards (Golden Globes nominations Dec12)
Post by: T'Chenka on December 06, 2022, 01:03:41 AM
The nominees for the 80th Golden Globes will be announced on Monday December 12th. This is basically the transition from the months and months of Oscar speculation into the "actual" beginning of the Oscar season.

Below I have included the different categories / awards for films, and some of the films I think will be nominated in those categories. I wrote 4 predictions per category, but the Globes choose 5 nominations per category.



BEST FILM - DRAMA
- The Fabelmans
- Women Talking
- Top Gun: Maverick
- Elvis

BEST FILM - MUSICAL OR COMEDY
- The Banshees Of Inisherin
- Everything Everywhere All At Once
- Babylon
- Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery

BEST DIRECTOR
- Steven Spielberg (The Fabelmans)
- James Cameron (Avatar: The Way Of Water)
- Martin McDonagh (The Banshees Of Inisherin)
- Sarah Polley (Women Talking)

BEST FILM - SCREENPLAY
- The Banshees Of Inisherin
- Everything Everywhere All At Once
- Women Talking
- The Fabelmans



BEST ACTRESS - DRAMA
- Cate Blanchett (Tár)
- Danielle Deadwyler (Till)
- Michelle Williams (The Fabelmans)
- Olivia Colman (Empire Of Light)

BEST ACTRESS - MUSICAL OR COMEDY
- Michelle Yeoh (Everything Everywhere All At Once)
- Margot Robbie (Babylon)
- Anya Taylor-Joy (The Menu)
- Charlbi Dean (Triangle Of Sadness)

BEST ACTOR - DRAMA
- Austin Butler (Elvis)
- Brendan Fraser (The Whale)
- Bill Nighy (Living)
- Tom Cruise (Top Gun: Maverick)

BEST ACTOR - MUSICAL OR COMEDY
- Colin Farrell (The Banshees Of Inisherin)
- Diego Calva (Babylon)
- Daniel Craig (Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery)
- Christian Bale (Amsterdam)

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
- Carey Mulligan (She Said)
- Claire Foy (Women Talking)
- Kerry Condon (The Banshees Of Inisherin)
- Jamie Lee Curtis (Everything Everywhere All At Once)

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
- Ke Huy Quan (Everything Everywhere All At Once)
- Brad Pitt (Babylon)
- Ben Whishaw (Women Talking)
- Brendan Gleeson (The Banshees Of Inisherin)



BEST NON-ENGLISH LANGUAGE FILM
- All Quiet On The Western Front
- Holy Spider
- Bardo, False Chronicle Of A Handful Of Truths
- Close

BEST ANIMATED FILM
- Guillermo Del Toro's Pinocchio
- My Father's Dragon
- Puss In Boots: The Last Wish
- The Bad Guys

BEST ORIGINAL SCORE
- Babylon (Justin Hurwitz)
- The Fabelmans (John Williams)
- Women Talking (Hildur Guðnadóttir)
- Pinocchio (Alexandre Desplat)

BEST ORIGINAL SONG
- "Hold My Hand" by Lady Gaga (Top Gun: Maverick)
- "Lift Me Up" by Rihanna (Black Panther: Wakanda Forever)
- "Ciao Papa" by Alexandre Desplat (Guillermo Del Toro's Pinocchio)
- "Naatu Naatu" by M. M. Keeravani (RRR)


Title: Re: Film and awards (Golden Globes noms announced)
Post by: T'Chenka on December 12, 2022, 05:04:55 PM
80th GOLDEN GLOBES nominees


PICTURE (DRAMA)
- The Fabelmans
- Top Gun: Maverick
- Avatar: The Way Of Water
- Tár
- Elvis

PICTURE (MUSICAL/COMEDY)
- The Banshees Of Inisherin
- Everything Everywhere All At Once
- Babylon
- Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery
- Triangle Of Sadness

DIRECTOR
- Steven Spielberg (The Fabelmans)
- James Cameron (Avatar: The Way Of Water)
- Martin McDonagh (The Banshees Of Inisherin)
- Daniels (Everything Everywhere All At Once)
- Baz Luhrmann (Elvis)

SCREENPLAY
- The Banshees Of Inisherin
- Everything Everywhere All At Once
- Women Talking
- The Fabelmans
- Tár

BEST ACTRESS (DRAMA)
- Cate Blanchett (Tár)
- Michelle Williams (The Fabelmans)
- Olivia Colman (Empire Of Light)
- Viola Davis (The Woman King)
- Ana de Armas (Blonde)

BEST ACTRESS (MUSICAL/COMEDY)
- Michelle Yeoh (Everything Everywhere All At Once)
- Margot Robbie (Babylon)
- Emma Thompson (Good Luck To You, Leo Grande)
- Anya Taylor-Joy (The Menu)
- Lesley Manville (Mrs. Harris Goes To Paris)

BEST ACTOR (DRAMA)
- Austin Butler (Elvis)
- Brendan Fraser (The Whale)
- Bill Nighy (Living)
- Hugh Jackman (The Son)
- Jeremy Pope (The Inspection)

BEST ACTOR (MUSICAL/COMEDY)
- Colin Farrell (The Banshees Of Inisherin)
- Diego Calva (Babylon)
- Adam Driver (White Noise)
- Daniel Craig (Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery)
- Ralph Fiennes (The Menu)

SUPPORTING ACTRESS
- Kerry Condon (The Banshees Of Inisherin)
- Carey Mulligan (She Said)
- Jamie Lee Curtis (Everything Everywhere All At Once)
- Dolly De Leon (Triangle Of Sadness)
- Angela Bassett (Black Panther: Wakanda Forever)

SUPPORTING ACTOR
- Ke Huy Quan (Everything Everywhere All At Once)
- Brad Pitt (Babylon)
- Brendan Gleeson (The Banshees Of Inisherin)
- Eddie Redmayne (The Good Nurse)
- Barry Keoghan (The Banshees Of Inisherin)

NON-ENGLISH LANGUAGE FEATURE
- RRR
- Close
- Argentina 1985
- All Quiet On The Western Front
- Decision To Leave

ANIMATED FEATURE
- Guillermo Del Toro's Pinocchio
- Turning Red
- Marcel The Shell With No Shoes On
- Puss In Boots: The Last Wish
- Inu-Oh

ORIGINAL SCORE
- Hildur Guðnadóttir (Women Talking)
- John Williams (The Fabelmans)
- Alexandre Desplat (Guillermo Del Toro's Pinocchio)
- Carter Burwell (The Banshees Of Inisherin)
- Justin Hurwitz (Babylon)

ORIGINAL SONG
- "Hold My Hand" (Top Gun: Maverick)
- "Lift Me Up" (Black Panther: Wakanda Forever)
- "Ciao Papa" (Guillermo Del Toro's Pinocchio)
- "Naatu Naatu" (RRR)
- "Carolina" (Where The Crawdads Sing)


Notable stuff, based on expectations :
Banshees overperformed
Women Talking underperformed
Deadwyler missed Actress
De Armas got into Actress
Bardo, Holy Spider missed Non-English Language
Keoghan, Bassett, Driver, Pope kinda surprising


Title: Re: Film and awards (Golden Globes noms announced)
Post by: Blue3 on December 12, 2022, 09:08:18 PM
How do they pick out movies that come out like a couple days ago, or not even out yet??


Title: Re: Film and awards (Golden Globes noms announced)
Post by: T'Chenka on December 12, 2022, 11:39:22 PM
How do they pick out movies that come out like a couple days ago, or not even out yet??

A lot of these industry people get to see the film before everybody else does, either in a private screening at a theater, or an exclusive private streaming / DVD. Additionally, many of these films played at a bunch of film festivals in September (Venice, TIFF, Telluride) or even earlier (Cannes, Sundance) and a lot of industry people saw them back then.


Title: Re: Film and awards (Golden Globes noms announced)
Post by: T'Chenka on January 16, 2023, 06:02:56 PM
The Golden Globes and the Critics Choice awards have both now taken place. Here are the Golden Globes winners. Any award that Critics Choice gave out differently than the Globes is noted as well.


PICTURE (DRAMA)
- The Fabelmans
CRITICS CHOICE - Everything Everywhere All At Once

PICTURE (MUSICAL/COMEDY)
- The Banshees Of Inisherin
CRITICS CHOICE - this award is combined with Best Picture (Drama)

DIRECTOR
- Steven Spielberg (The Fabelmans)
CRITICS CHOICE - Daniels (Everything Everywhere All At Once)

SCREENPLAY
- The Banshees Of Inisherin
CRITICS CHOICE - Everything Everywhere All At Once

BEST ACTRESS (DRAMA)
- Cate Blanchett (Tár)

BEST ACTRESS (MUSICAL/COMEDY)
- Michelle Yeoh (Everything Everywhere All At Once)
CRITICS CHOICE - this award is combined with Best Actress (Drama)

BEST ACTOR (DRAMA)
- Austin Butler (Elvis)
CRITICS CHOICE - Brendan Fraser (The Whale)

BEST ACTOR (MUSICAL/COMEDY)
- Colin Farrell (The Banshees Of Inisherin)
CRITICS CHOICE - this award is combined with Best Actor (Drama)

SUPPORTING ACTRESS
- Angela Bassett (Black Panther: Wakanda Forever)

SUPPORTING ACTOR
- Ke Huy Quan (Everything Everywhere All At Once)

NON-ENGLISH LANGUAGE FEATURE
- Argentina 1985
CRITICS CHOICE - RRR

ANIMATED FEATURE
- Guillermo Del Toro's Pinocchio

ORIGINAL SCORE
- Justin Hurwitz (Babylon)
CRITICS CHOICE - - Hildur Guðnadóttir (Tár)

ORIGINAL SONG
- "Naatu Naatu" (RRR)


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscar nominations Jan 24)
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on January 17, 2023, 06:56:15 PM
I completely forgot that the Golden Globes were even a thing. I will say that I am happy to see 'Banshees of Inisherin' win in the musical/comedy category, especially over the soap opera, Tyler Perry writing quality bulls*** that was 'Glass Onion.'

Also clearly lots of love for 'Everything Everywhere' which I am also more than fine with.


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscar nominations Jan 24)
Post by: kyc0705 on January 18, 2023, 04:05:35 PM
Just about everything else still feels like it's in flux, but it's looking like Supporting Actor is already wrapped and Supporting Actress is getting there quickly.


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscar nominations Jan 24)
Post by: Orser67 on January 18, 2023, 09:18:16 PM
My unsolicited opinion of Oscar contenders and a few other random movies:

Haven't seen, but want to: Tar, Fabelmans, Women Talking, Aftersun, Triangle of Sadness, The Whale, Babylon, Black Panther, White Noise, Till, Living

Very good: Everything Everywhere, Banshees
Good: Top Gun, Nope, She Said, Avatar, All Quiet, Pinocchio
Liked it, but not BP nom-worthy imo: RRR, Amsterdam
Well made, but didn't do much for me: Thirteen Lives
Meh: Glass Onion, Don't Worry Darling, the Menu, Pale Blue Eye, Elvis
Not an awards contender, but I liked it: After Yang, The Northman, Bullet Train


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscar nominations Jan 24)
Post by: NewYorkExpress on January 19, 2023, 01:27:31 PM
BAFTA Awards nominees are in.


Best Picture


All Quiet on the Western Front

The Banshees of Inisherin

Elvis

Everything Everywhere All At Once

TAR

Films Not in English Language

All Quiet on the Western Front

Argentina,1985

Corsage

Decision to Leave

The Quiet Girl

Animated Film

Guillermo Del Toro's Pinocchio

Marcel the Shell with Shoes On

Puss In Boots: The Last Wish

Turning Red

Director

Edward Berger, All Quiet on the Western Front

Martin McDonagh, The Banshees of Inisherin

Park Chan-wook, Decision to Leave

Daniel Kwan and Daniel Scheinert, Everything Everywhere All At Once

Todd Field, TAR

Gina Prince-Blythewood, The Woman King

Original Screenplay

Martin McDonagh, The Banshees of Inisherin

Daniel Kwan and Daniel Scheinert, Everything Everywhere All At Once

Tony Kushner and Steven Spielberg, The Fablemans

Todd Field, TAR

Ruben Östlund, Triangle of Sadness

Adapted Screenplay

Edward Berger, Ian Stokell and Leslie Patterson,All Quiet on the Western Front

Kazuo Ishiguro, Living

Colm Bairéad, The Quiet Girl

Rebecca Lenklewicz, She Said

Samuel D. Hunter, The Whale

Lead Actress

Ana de Armas, Blonde

Cate Blanchett, TAR

Viola Davis, The Woman King

Danielle Deadwyler, Till

Emma Thompson, Good Luck to You, Rio Grande

Michelle Yeoh, Everything Everywhere All At Once

Lead Actor

Austin Butler, Elvis

Brendan Fraser, The Whale

Colin Farrell, The Banshees of Inisherin

Daryl McCormick, Good Luck to You, Rio Grande

Paul Mescal, Aftersun

Bill Nighy, Living

Supporting Actress

Angela Bassett, Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

Hong Chau, The Whale

Kerry Condon, The Banshees of Inisherin

Jamie Lee Curtis, Everything Everywhere All At Once

Dolly de Leon, Triangle of Sadness

Carey Mulligan, She Said

Supporting Actor

Brendan Gleeson, The Banshees of Inisherin

Barry Keoghan, The Banshees of Inisherin

Ke Huy Quan, Everything Everywhere All At Once

Eddie Redmayne, The Good Nurse

Albrecht Schuch, All Quiet on the Western Front

Michael Ward, Empire of Light


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscar nominations Jan 24)
Post by: T'Chenka on January 20, 2023, 09:51:55 AM

It seems clear at this stage that Best Picture at the Oscars is between Everything Everywhere All At Once and The Banshees Of Inisherin. The Fabelmans doesn't seem generally strong, and won't win any acting awards. Top Gun: Maverick isn't receiving the late season surge that it was going to need. TAR is now in 3rd place, I guess, but it's far below the top 2. Elvis isn't strong enough. Avatar 2 definitely isn't strong enough.

Outside of those 7 movies that are more or less guaranteed to get into Best Picture, and looking at the movies on the cusp that MIGHT be getting in... based on the concept of winning Adapted Screenplay and winning some other awards to build to winning Best Picture, I guess All Quiet On The Western Front and The Whale would maybe the the extremely unlikely underdogs with a 1% or 2% chance, hypothetically.


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscar nominations Jan 24)
Post by: T'Chenka on January 20, 2023, 09:57:14 AM
Just about everything else still feels like it's in flux, but it's looking like Supporting Actor is already wrapped and Supporting Actress is getting there quickly.

My take on the above-the-line categories:

PICTURE
- Will be Everything Everywhere All At Once or The Banshees Of Inisherin

DIRECTOR
- Will be Everything Everywhere All At Once, possibly The Fabelmans, possibly some crazy upset

ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
- (same as Picture)

ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
- Hard to predict, probably All Quiet On The Western Front, The Whale or Women Talking

ACTRESS
- Cate Blanchett for TAR, with an unlikely upset winner being Michelle Yeoh for EEAAO

ACTOR
- Colin Farrell for Banshees probably, Brendan Fraser is possible, Austin Butler crazy upset

SUPPORTING ACTRESS
- Angela Bassett for Wakanda Forever, with upset being Kerry Condon or Jamie Lee Curtis

SUPPORTING ACTOR
- Ke Huy Quan for EEAAO will win. Insane upset I guess would be Brendan Gleeson (?)


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscar nominations Jan 24)
Post by: T'Chenka on January 23, 2023, 10:19:33 AM
My final predictions for tomorrow's Oscar nominations for 2022 films :

BEST PICTURE
- The Banshees Of Inisherin
- Everything Everywhere All At Once
- The Fabelmans
- TÁR
- Top Gun: Maverick
- Elvis
- Avatar: The Way Of Water
- All Quiet On The Western Front
- Babylon
- Triangle Of Sadness

BEST DIRECTOR
- Daniels (Everything Everywhere All At Once)
- Steven Spielberg (The Fabelmans)
- Todd Field (TÁR)
- Martin McDonagh (The Banshees Of Inisherin)
- Baz Luhrmann (Elvis)

BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
- The Banshees Of Inisherin
- Everything Everywhere All At Once
- The Fabelmans
- TÁR
- Triangle Of Sadness

BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
- The Whale
- All Quiet On The Western Front
- Women Talking
- Living
- She Said

BEST ACTRESS
- Cate Blanchett (TÁR)
- Michelle Yeoh (Everything Everywhere All At Once)
- Viola Davis (The Woman King)
- Danielle Deadwyler (Till)
- Michelle Williams (The Fabelmans)

BEST ACTOR
- Colin Farrell (The Banshees Of Inisherin)
- Austin Butler (Elvis)
- Brendan Fraser (The Whale)
- Bill Nighy (Living)
- Tom Cruise (Top Gun: Maverick)

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
- Angela Bassett (Black Panther: Wakanda Forever)
- Kerry Condon (The Banshees Of Inisherin)
- Jamie Lee Curtis (Everything Everywhere All At Once)
- Hong Chau (The Whale)
- Dolly de Leon (Triangle Of Sadness)

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
- Ke Huy Quan (Everything Everywhere All At Once)
- Brendan Gleeson (The Banshees Of Inisherin)
- Barry Koeghan (The Banshees Of Inisherin)
- Eddie Redmayne (The Good Nurse)
- Brad Pitt (Babylon)

BEST INTERNATIONAL FEATURE
- All Quiet On The Western Front
- Argentina, 1985
- Decision To Leave
- Close
- The Quiet Girl

BEST ANIMATED FEATURE
- Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio
- Turning Red
- Puss In Boots: The Last Wish
- Marcel The Shell With No Shoes On
- Wendell & Wild

BEST DOCUMENTARY FEATURE
- All That Breathes
- All The Beauty And The Bloodshed
- Fire Of Love
- Navalny
- Descandant

BEST EDITING
1. Top Gun: Maverick
2. Everything Everywhere All At Once
3. Elvis
4. The Banshees Of Inisherin
5. All Quiet On The Western Front

BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY
1. Top Gun: Maverick
4. All Quiet On The Western Front
5. Empire Of Light
4. The Batman
5. Elvis

BEST VISUAL EFFECTS
1. Avatar: The Way Of Water
2. Top Gun: Maverick
3. The Batman
4. All Quiet On The Western Front
5. Thirteen Lives

BEST PRODUCTION DESIGN
1. Babylon
2. Avatar: The Way Of Water
3. Elvis
4. All Quiet On The Western Front
5. The Fabelmans

BEST COSTUME DESIGN
1. Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
2. Elvis
3. Babylon
4. The Woman King
5. Mrs. Harris Goes To Paris

BEST MAKEUP AND HAIR
1. The Whale
2. Elvis
3. The Batman
4. All Quiet On The Western Front
5. Amsterdam

BEST SOUND
1. Top Gun: Maverick
2. All Quiet On The Western Front
3. Avatar: The Way Of Water
4. Elvis
5. The Batman

BEST ORIGINAL SCORE
1. Babylon (Justin Hurwitz)
2. Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio (Alexandre Desplat)
3. Women Talking (Hildur Guðnadóttir)
4. The Banshees Of Inisherin (Carter Burwell)
5. The Fabelmans (John Williams)

BEST ORIGINAL SONG
1. "Naatu Naatu" by M. M. Keeravani (RRR)
2. "Hold My Hand" by Lady Gaga (Top Gun: Maverick)
3. "Lift Me Up" by Rihanna (Black Panther: Wakanda Forever)
4. "Ciao Papa" by Alexandre Desplat (Guillermo Del Toro's Pinocchio)
5. "Applause" by Diane Warren (Tell It Like A Woman)

I don't care about or predict the 3 categories for short films.


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscar nominations TODAY)
Post by: Sestak on January 24, 2023, 11:23:02 AM
This cycle seems to have a higher number of ‘popular’ films, or at least ones that were discussed outside of film circles before the award season, than previous years.


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscar nominations TODAY)
Post by: Sprouts Farmers Market ✘ on January 24, 2023, 12:12:09 PM
Dolly de Leon snubbed on Best Supporting Actress nominees! I adored what she brought to the table in Triangle of Sadness - really elevated the film to greatness and made it the one actually high quality satire on idle wealth of the many attempts in the past year. But this is one of the deepest years I can recall for this category, so it's fine that Stephanie Hsu got it too. Kerry Condon was my favorite part of Banshees, although mostly for the story/visual direction. People are upset Curtis was nominated, but she was unforgettably iconic in limited action.

I'd be happy with any of the Best Original Screenplay nominees taking home most of the awards this year, aside from Fabelmans. Definitely my four favourite films of the last year - pending the US release of Close this week, with Fabelmans checking in at #8 - also behind del Toro's Pinocchio and the two foreign film frontrunners.

Seems like they got a lot right this year (so far)! Even if T'Chenka is partial to Babylon...


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscar nominations TODAY)
Post by: 🦀🎂🦀🎂 on January 24, 2023, 03:03:05 PM
I think biopics should be banned from acting nominations (or at least handicapped): the subjective measurements that actors normally get judged on are thrown out (such mere trifles as conveying emotions) and instead actors are judged on how easily they can do a pantomime of a public figure's persona. It's less great acting, more parlour trick.


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscar nominations TODAY)
Post by: LBJer on January 24, 2023, 04:50:38 PM
So glad Top Gun: Maverick was nominated!


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscar nominations TODAY)
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on January 24, 2023, 07:09:29 PM
I can't say I entirely expected these nominations, especially given how many somewhat obscure films have been nominated for one thing or another. I haven't heard of a good portion of these films.

Also surprised to see 'Triangle of Sadness' get so many nominations. I figured it would be a bit too out-there (at least from what I've heard, I haven't seen it yet-though I want to), but then again so is 'Everything Everywhere."


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscar nominations TODAY)
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on January 24, 2023, 07:25:41 PM
Anyone else think talking about and commenting on the nominees without listing them or linking to them is weird?









Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscar nominations TODAY)
Post by: T'Chenka on January 26, 2023, 06:44:53 PM
Anyone else think talking about and commenting on the nominees without listing them or linking to them is weird?

I planned to post them here but got busy with life.

ALL NOMINEES
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/95th_Academy_Awards

Everything Everywhere All At Once or The Banshees Of Inisherin will win Best Picture. Top Gun: Maverick is the unlikely underdog 3rd choice. TÁR and The Fabelmans are theoretically also possible but very unlikely. If the Academy smokes crack, Elvis or All Quiet On The Western Front could win on a 1 in 1,000 chance. Avatar 2, Triangle Of Sadness and Women Talking have no chance at all to win.

As always, the Picture winner almost always wins Director or one of the Screenplay awards. On the rare occasion something wins without that, it will have at least an acting win.


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscars March 12th)
Post by: T'Chenka on February 27, 2023, 07:22:12 AM
'Everything Everywhere All at Once' dominates at SAG Awards (https://www.ctvnews.ca/entertainment/everything-everywhere-all-at-once-dominates-at-sag-awards-1.6290469)

The unlikely awards season juggernaut “Everything Everywhere All at Once” marched on at the Screen Actors Guild Awards on Sunday, and even gathered stream with wins not just for best ensemble, Michelle Yeoh and Ke Huy Quan but also for Jamie Lee Curtis.

The SAG Awards, often an Oscar preview, threw some curve balls into the Oscars race in a ceremony streamed lived on Netflix's YouTube page from Fairmont Century Plaza in Los Angeles.

But the clearest result of the SAG Awards was the overwhelming success of Daniel Kwan and Daniel Scheinert's madcap multiverse tale, which has now used its hotdog fingers to snag top honours from the acting, directing and producing guilds. Only one film ("Apollo 13") had won all three and not gone on to win best picture at the Oscars.


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscars March 12th)
Post by: T'Chenka on February 27, 2023, 07:29:36 AM
We've now had the DGA, BAFTA, PGA and SAG awards. Next weekend will be the screenplay guild awards (WGA) and then Sunday March 12th (in 13 days) we have the Academy Awards ceremony.

BEST PICTURE

Everything Everywhere All At Once is positioned as the strong favourite now. As long as it wins Director (expected) or Original Screenplay (possible), it should win Best Picture. It may need an acting win too, but luckily Quan has Supporting Actor pretty much locked up at this point.

All Quiet On The Western Front has SOME potential to upset, but it would require it winning several Oscars, and it would NEED to win the Adapted Screenplay award to have any sort of real chance at Best Picture.

The Banshees Of Inisherin has SOME potential to upset, though it doesn't seem like it has a good shot anymore. This would require winning the Original Screenplay award (which is expected), and probably it would also need Supporting Actress or Actor. Both of these acting wins are possible but neither is likely.

TAR is very very unlikely but theoretically possible with a Director/Screenplay + Actress win combo.

The Fabelmans is very very unlikely but theoretically possible. Would need to win Director (possible but unlikely) and one of the acting awards (very unlikely).

Top Gun Maverick and Elvis are both insanely likely to win. Maverick has maybe 2% chance and Elvis has maybe 1% chance.

Avatar 2, Triangle Of Sadness and Women Talking will not win. They don't even have a crazy longshot chance.


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscars March 12th)
Post by: AelroseB on March 09, 2023, 06:32:28 PM
Any final predictions?  For me:

Best Picture: Everything Everywhere all at Once (would personally vote for Banshees)
Director: The Daniels (Would personally vote for Field)
Actress: Yeoh
Actor: Butler (I'd either vote Fraser or Farrell)
Supporting Actress: Pure tossup, but going with Bassett (would vote Condon or Chau)
Supporting Actor: Quan
International Feature Film: All Quiet (would vote for Quiet Girl)
Animated Feature Film: Pinocchio
Original Screenplay: Everything Everywhere all at Once (would vote Banshees)
Adapted Screenplay: Women Talking (would vote Living)

I really love this year's acting and BP lineups.  Top Gun Maverick was my favorite moviegoing experience, although I felt Banshees was the artistic best of the year, in my very subjective opinion.
 
Finally seeing Triangle of Sadness right before Oscars night, too.

EDIT: I liked ToS, although I feel like the "seasickness" in Act 2 was a little (a lot) too much, the whole sequence just lasting way too long, and its humor wearing off after a couple minutes.


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscars March 12th)
Post by: Pyro on March 09, 2023, 10:38:19 PM
Love Academy Awards season, even if the Billy Crystal era trounces the shows nowadays :P

Best Picture: Leaning Everything Everywhere as the winner. There is a possibility for an upset by one of the other contenders, though. I've seen Banshees, Top Gun, Fabelmans, and Elvis so far, and I plan to check out the All Quiet remake on Netflix sometime this weekend, too.

Director: Kwan and Scheinert probably win this.
Actor: Either Fraser or Butler.
Supporting Actor: Quan, unless Banshees is favored more than expected.
Actress: I do think Yeoh has this one.
Supporting Actress: I'd love to see Jamie Lee Curtis take it, though I think Bassett wins.
Animated: Rooting hard for Puss in Boots! :>


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscars March 12th)
Post by: T'Chenka on March 09, 2023, 11:38:11 PM
What is likely happening Sunday night :

BEST PICTURE
Very likely - Everything Everywhere All At Once
Unlikely - The Banshees Of Inisherin
Unlikely - All Quiet On The Western Front

BEST DIRECTOR
Likely - Everything Everywhere All At Once (Daniels)
Unlikely - The Fabelmans (Steven Spielberg)
Very unlikely - TAR (Todd Field)

BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
Likely - Everything Everywhere All At Once
Likely - The Banshees Of Inisherin

BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
Likely - Women Talking
Possible - All Quiet On The Western Front

BEST ACTRESS
Likely - Cate Blanchett (TAR)
Likely - Michelle Yeoh (Everything Everywhere All At Once)

BEST ACTOR
Likely - Austin Butler (Elvis)
Likely - Brendan Fraser (The Whale)
Unlikely - Colin Farrell (The Banshees Of Inisherin)

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Possible - Kerry Condon (The Banshees Of Inisherin)
Possible - Angela Bassett (Black Panther: Wakanda Forever)
Unlikely - Jamie Lee Curtis (Everything Everywhere All At Once)

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
Extremely likely - Ke Huy Quan (Everything Everywhere All At Once)
Extremely unlikely - Barry Keoghan (The Banshees Of Inisherin)

BEST INTERNATIONAL FEATURE
Very likely - All Quiet On The Western Front
Unlikely - Argentina, 1985
Very unlikely - The Quiet Girl

BEST ANIMATED FEATURE
Very likely - Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio
Unlikely - Puss In Boots: The Last Wish
Unlikely - Marcel The Shell With Shoes On

BEST DOCUMENTARY FEATURE
Likely - Navalny
Possible - Fire Of Love
Possible - All That Breathes


Title: Re: 95th OSCARS - 8pm EST
Post by: nicholas.slaydon on March 10, 2023, 02:08:04 PM
Predictions:
Best Picture: Everything, Everywhere, All at Once
Best Director: The Daniels
Best Original Screenplay: Everything, Everywhere, All at Once
Best Adapted Screenplay: All Quiet on the Western Front
Best Actor: Austin Butler
Best Actress: Cate Blanchett
Best Supporting Actor: Ke Huy Quan
Best Supporting Actress: Jamie Lee Curtis
Best Animated Feature: Pinocchio
Best International Film: All Quiet on the Western Front
Best Documentary Feature: Navalny
Best Film Editing: Everything, Everywhere, All at Once


What I want to Win:
Best Picture: Everything, Everywhere, All at Once
Best Director: The Daniels
Best Original Screenplay: Everything, Everywhere, All at Once
Best Adapted Screenplay: Living
Best Actor: Colin Farrell
Best Actress: Michelle Yeoh
Best Supporting Actor: Ke Huy Quan
Best Supporting Actress: Jamie Lee Curtis
Best Animated Feature: Marcell the Shell With Shoes On
Best International Film: Close
Best Film Editing: Everything, Everywhere, All at Once


Title: Re: 95th OSCARS - 8pm EST
Post by: Mr. Smith on March 10, 2023, 10:56:28 PM
Puss in Boots is probably gonna win for Animated Feature. Dreamworks is the usual go-to if Pixar/Disney slack.

I'm more interested in The Razzies tbh.


Title: Re: 95th OSCARS - 8pm EST
Post by: T'Chenka on March 10, 2023, 11:35:32 PM
Puss in Boots is probably gonna win for Animated Feature. Dreamworks is the usual go-to if Pixar/Disney slack.

Almost all of the "precursor" awards shows that lead up to the Oscars gave the award to Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio. It's probably got around an 80% to 90% chance of winning.

more specifically :
- animation guild (forget the name)
- Golden Globes Wards
- Critics Choice Awards
- BAFTA awards


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscars March 12th)
Post by: T'Chenka on March 12, 2023, 07:31:48 AM

95TH OSCARS
FINAL PREDICTIONS

PICTURE
Everything Everywhere All At Once
DIRECTOR
Daniels (Everything Everywhere All At Once)
ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
The Banshees Of Inisherin
ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
Women Talking

ACTRESS
Michelle Yeoh (Everything Everywhere All At Once)
ACTOR
Austin Butler (Elvis)
SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Kerry Condon (The Banshees Of Inisherin)
SUPPORTING ACTOR
Ke Huy Quan (Everything Everywhere All At Once)

INTERNATIONAL FEATURE
All Quiet On The Western Front
ANIMATED FEATURE
Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio
DOCUMENTARY FEATURE
Navalny

EDITING
Everything Everywhere All At Once
VISUAL EFFECTS
Avatar: The Way Of Water
CINEMATOGRAPHY
All Quiet On The Western Front

PRODUCTION DESIGN
Babylon
COSTUMES
Elvis
MAKEUP & HAIR
Elvis

SOUND
Top Gun: Maverick
ORIGINAL SCORE
All Quiet On The Western Front
ORIGINAL SONG
Naatu Naatu (RRR)

LIVE-ACTION SHORT
An Irish Goodbye
ANIMATED SHORT
My Year Of Dicks
DOCUMENTARY SHORT
Stranger At The Gate

OSCAR WINS
5 - Everything Everywhere All At Once
3 - All Quiet On The Western Front
3 - Elvis
2 - The Banshees Of Inisherin


Title: Re: 95th OSCARS - Sunday night 8pm EST
Post by: AelroseB on March 12, 2023, 05:52:36 PM
I am so excited for tonight's show--I haven't been anticipating an Oscars night as much as I have since the King's Speech year.

What a great year of films we had, in retrospect.


Title: Re: 95th OSCARS - Sunday night 8pm EST
Post by: Sestak on March 12, 2023, 07:17:55 PM
Never watched one of these in full before. How long is Jimothy Kimmel going to go on for?


Title: Re: 95th OSCARS - Sunday night 8pm EST
Post by: AelroseB on March 12, 2023, 07:23:07 PM
Pinocchio was a really wonderful win.  Lovely speeches by the recipients.


Title: Re: 95th OSCARS - Sunday night 8pm EST
Post by: Pyro on March 12, 2023, 07:47:35 PM
First upset with the Jamie Lee Curtis win!
Looking increasingly likely we get an "Everything, Everywhere" sweep.


Title: Re: 95th OSCARS - Sunday night 8pm EST
Post by: morgankingsley on March 12, 2023, 09:13:51 PM
To be honest, this year seems to have a stronger list of films than some previous years, such as Pinnochio winning best animated, and the nominations of Maverick for best picture (which I doubt it will win, but I do respect the fact that it at least got nomianted). Also nice to see that Jamie Lee Curtis is able to get a get a solid career outside of being the lead in Halloween, as I didn't know her film existed until now.

Morgan Kingsley -

March 12 2023


Title: Re: 95th OSCARS - Sunday night 8pm EST
Post by: Cokeland Saxton on March 12, 2023, 09:20:40 PM
*EDT


Title: Re: 95th OSCARS - Sunday night 8pm EST
Post by: Sestak on March 12, 2023, 10:29:50 PM
And there's the sweep. Wow.


Title: Re: 95th OSCARS - Sunday night 8pm EST
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on March 12, 2023, 11:00:17 PM
EEAAO was an amazing film, one of the best I've ever seen. The sweep was so unbelievably deserved and I'm so happy for Michelle Yeoh.

One of the best Oscar's ever, imo.


Title: Re: 95th OSCARS - Sunday night 8pm EST
Post by: T'Chenka on March 13, 2023, 12:29:54 AM
EEAAO is the third movie ever to win 3 acting Oscars. However, the first two - A Street Car Named Desire 1951 and Network 1976 - did not win Best Picture. Therefore, EEAAO is the first ever Best Picture winner to win more than 2 acting Oscars.


Title: Re: 95th OSCARS - Sunday night 8pm EST
Post by: T'Chenka on March 13, 2023, 12:31:41 AM
7 out of the 8 "above the line" categories - the "biggest" and "most important" awards - were won by A24 Studios films. It won Picture, Director, Original Screenplay and all 4 acting awards. Only Adapted Screenplay was won by a different studio, MGM.

As a massive fan of A24 Studios, this makes me happy.


Title: Re: 95th OSCARS - Sunday night 8pm EST
Post by: Sestak on March 13, 2023, 12:34:29 AM
7 out of the 8 "above the line" categories - the "biggest" and "most important" awards - were won by A24 Studios films. It win Picture, Director, Original Screenplay, Actress, Actor, Supporting Actor. Only Adapted Screenplay was won by a different studio, MGM.

As a massive fan of A24 Studios, this makes me happy.

Of all the categories open to live-action, English-language, feature length films, A24 won an absolute majority - 9 of 17. Incredible performance.


Title: Re: Film and awards (EEAAO sweeps Oscars, 7 wins)
Post by: LabourJersey on March 13, 2023, 07:33:37 AM
Happy for the actors in EEAAO (I thought the acting was great, even though the movie as a whole was 10% too weird for my taste, in spite of great scenes).

Very sad to see Banshees of Inisherin walk away with nothing. As a huge fan of the movie (and of Irish drama in general) it's very unfortunate.

Haven't yet seen Tar (I plan to soon) but also surprised it won nothing.


Title: Re: Film and awards (EEAAO sweeps Oscars, 7 wins)
Post by: Santander on March 13, 2023, 11:50:27 AM
Another step towards Asians claiming their rightful place in the Western cultural zeitgeist.


Title: Re: Film and awards (EEAAO sweeps Oscars, 7 wins)
Post by: Ferguson97 on March 13, 2023, 02:45:11 PM
EEAAO deserved the win. My only major complaint is that Stephanie Hsu deserved the best supporting role over Jamie Lee Curtis.


Title: Re: Film and awards (EEAAO sweeps Oscars, 7 wins)
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on March 13, 2023, 02:45:56 PM
Yeah this is a movie that I kind of had in mind to see but never got around to...I guess I need to now.


Title: Re: Film and awards (EEAAO sweeps Oscars, 7 wins)
Post by: Comrade Funk on March 13, 2023, 05:55:56 PM
This was a good comeback year for the Oscars. I think/hope last year was the nadir for film in general.


Title: Re: Film and awards (EEAAO sweeps Oscars, 7 wins)
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on March 13, 2023, 06:21:16 PM
I knew that 'Everything Everywhere' would do well, but I did not expect it to sweep all the awards it did. I think the Jamie Lee Curtis win was the most surprising of all. It kind of sucks that she had to be up against her co-star, Hsu, though. I'm fine with it though.

I am also surprised that 'Turning Red' didn't win for Best Animated Feature. Maybe the Academy didn't want to make the ceremony too China-centric.


Title: Re: Film and awards (EEAAO sweeps Oscars, 7 wins)
Post by: T'Chenka on March 13, 2023, 07:13:21 PM
I am also surprised that 'Turning Red' didn't win for Best Animated Feature. Maybe the Academy didn't want to make the ceremony too China-centric.

The narrative of the Animated Feature race the entire year was "Turning Red is very good but something will probably come along and beat it". Then once Pinocchio debuted at a film festival, critics started praising the hell out of it. It's not just that Pinocchio is very good, but it's a stop-motion feature with puppets and sets and basically all kinds of art tech stuff that the industry loves.

From there, Pinocchio won almost all of the awards for Animated Feature at the smaller awards ceremonies that lead up to the Oscars. Everybody was predicting it to win the Oscar since November or December. The only minor speed bump was when Puss In Boots 2 debuted to great reviews. Pinocchio continued to win awards after that though.

Unless a movie is literally pro-Chinese government, I think the Oscars would focus more on cultural and ethnic diversity being highlighted, and view it as a good thing, not a negative.


Title: Re: Film and awards (EEAAO sweeps Oscars, 7 wins)
Post by: LAKISYLVANIA on March 13, 2023, 11:07:54 PM
I am also surprised that 'Turning Red' didn't win for Best Animated Feature. Maybe the Academy didn't want to make the ceremony too China-centric.

Pixar already has won that award way too often lol, sometimes not really deserving the win like in 2009, 2012, 2020 and arguably 2015 and 2019 too. I like Pixar a lot but there are tons of good animation studios and animation films out there that didn't get the credit they deserve because Pixar often was a lock for the award.


Title: Re: 95th OSCARS - Sunday night 8pm EST
Post by: LAKISYLVANIA on March 13, 2023, 11:12:46 PM
7 out of the 8 "above the line" categories - the "biggest" and "most important" awards - were won by A24 Studios films. It won Picture, Director, Original Screenplay and all 4 acting awards. Only Adapted Screenplay was won by a different studio, MGM.

As a massive fan of A24 Studios, this makes me happy.

i'm an A24 sucker as well, and even for years now before they were cool like in 2015 i was already a fan.


Title: Re: Film and awards (EEAAO sweeps Oscars, 7 wins)
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on March 14, 2023, 03:12:13 PM
I am also surprised that 'Turning Red' didn't win for Best Animated Feature. Maybe the Academy didn't want to make the ceremony too China-centric.

Pixar already has won that award way too often lol, sometimes not really deserving the win like in 2009, 2012, 2020 and arguably 2015 and 2019 too. I like Pixar a lot but there are tons of good animation studios and animation films out there that didn't get the credit they deserve because Pixar often was a lock for the award.

I guess I just can't help but assume that Pixar is always a favorite to win.


Title: Re: Film and awards (EEAAO sweeps Oscars, 7 wins)
Post by: Mr. Smith on March 16, 2023, 02:44:56 PM
I am also surprised that 'Turning Red' didn't win for Best Animated Feature. Maybe the Academy didn't want to make the ceremony too China-centric.

Pixar already has won that award way too often lol, sometimes not really deserving the win like in 2009, 2012, 2020 and arguably 2015 and 2019 too. I like Pixar a lot but there are tons of good animation studios and animation films out there that didn't get the credit they deserve because Pixar often was a lock for the award.

Up was more than deserving. As was Inside Out in 2015.


Title: Re: Film and awards (EEAAO sweeps Oscars, 7 wins)
Post by: LAKISYLVANIA on March 16, 2023, 03:16:07 PM
I am also surprised that 'Turning Red' didn't win for Best Animated Feature. Maybe the Academy didn't want to make the ceremony too China-centric.

Pixar already has won that award way too often lol, sometimes not really deserving the win like in 2009, 2012, 2020 and arguably 2015 and 2019 too. I like Pixar a lot but there are tons of good animation studios and animation films out there that didn't get the credit they deserve because Pixar often was a lock for the award.

Up was more than deserving. As was Inside Out in 2015.

My winners

2001: Monsters Inc. (Shrek won, tho thats a good one too)
2002: Lilo & Stitch (Spirited Away won, tho thats very good too)
2003: Finding Nemo
2004: The Incredibles
2005: Howl's Moving Castle (haven't seen the winner which was Wallace & Gromit: The Curse of the Were Rabbit)
2006: / (Only have seen Cars, Happy Feet won)
2007: Ratatouille (I have to watch Persepolis yet, which I expect to be good)
2008: WALL-E (I haven't seen Bolt yet)
2009: The Secret of Kells (I haven't seen Coraline and the Princess and the Frog yet, Up won)
2010: Toy Story 3
2011: - have seen none (Rango won)
2012: Wreck-It-Ralph (Brave won)
2013: Frozen
2014: The Tale of the Princess Kaguya (Big Hero 6 won, also liked Song of the Sea a lot)
2015: Inside Out
2016: Moana (Zootopia won, i liked La tortue rouge too, haven't seen Kubo and the Two Strings)
2017: Coco (haven't seen The Breadwinner and Loving Vincent)
2018: Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (haven't seen Incredibles 2, Isle of Dogs and Mirai)
2019: J'ai perdu mon corps (Toy Story 4 won but haven't seen that)
2020: WolfWalkers (Soul won which I also liked)
2021: Luca (Encanto won, haven't seen The Mitchells vs. The Machines)
2022: Have seen none (Del Toro's Pinocchio won)

a Pixar film will almost always be deserving technically, but that's the issue, so many films are deserving and only Pixar gets credit.

Admittely Pixar seems to run into less competition in some years than other studios, so 2015 is out of ones i've seen still Inside Out. Or 2021 where Luca and Encanto are almost tied for me, and i'd expect the latter to grow on a rewatch.

Some years seem to be awful for the category (like 2006), others great (like 2009, 2014).


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscars, Golden Globes, etc)
Post by: T'Chenka on March 21, 2023, 09:42:50 PM
LMAO



Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscars, Golden Globes, etc)
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on March 26, 2023, 08:50:17 PM

I love how even his own fans are trashing him in the comments.


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscars, Golden Globes, etc)
Post by: T'Chenka on March 27, 2023, 02:28:09 AM
For anybody wondering about the Oscars for the 2023 films (ceremony is 2024), there are a lot movies people are talking about. Three of them seem to be standing out above the others so far as movies that are VERY likely to be in the 10 Best Picture nominees. The rule was changed starting with the CODA season so that there are always 10 nominated films. No more, no less.

1.
Killers Of The Flower Moon
director Martin Scorsese
( Apple Studios = limited theaters and then Apple+ streaming )
Leonardo DiCaprio, Jesse Plemons, Lily Gladstone, Robert De Niro

2.
Dune Part II
director Denis Villeneuve
( theaters and then VOD / bluray / etc )
Timothee Chalamet, Zendaya, Rebecca Ferguson, and many more

3.
Past Lives
director Celine Song
( Sundance Film Festival January 2023, then theaters )
Greta Lee, Yoo Teo, John Magaro
this has been seen by a bunch of people and it has EXTREMELY good reviews

The lineup for Best Picture this year will probably be those 3 films plus 7 others.


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscars, Golden Globes, etc)
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on March 28, 2023, 05:04:34 PM
'Dune Part II' is probably the only movie I am really anticipating this year. The first was very well done but was much more about setting up this sequel. Splitting it in two parts was a very smart move to adapt a notoriously previously thought of as unadapatable property as best as possible.


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscars, Golden Globes, etc)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on March 30, 2023, 02:18:19 AM
I wasn't a big fan of Dune. The characters were kept at arm's length and I hated the dark cinematography.
When it ended I really didn't care whether a second part would ever materialize or not and I still don't.


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscars, Golden Globes, etc)
Post by: John Dule on March 30, 2023, 03:17:21 AM

Shapiro's opinions on film are almost as terrible as his opinions on politics, but he's right about most of those films being forgettable. Aside from EEAAO, Parasite, and Birdman, the Oscar winners of the past fifteen years have fallen out of favor pretty rapidly. The Academy tries to award the "safe" and "crowd-pleasing" options, but in the process they ignore the fact that the actual "best" picture of any given year is typically experimental, innovative, unique, and a deviation from the norm. In the end, the "safe" picks please no one. Audiences forget about them within a few years, and it's the edgy and outside-the-box films that wind up making a lasting impact on pop culture.

It isn't always easy to see which films will be widely remembered in a few decades-- but sometimes it's obvious. Plenty of movies come along that clearly revolutionize the industry's storytelling (Pulp Fiction) or technology (Star Wars) or both (Citizen Kane), and they almost always go ignored at the Oscars. I'm sure Green Book was a fine film, but I sincerely doubt it was the most creative or boundary-pushing film of 2018.


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscars, Golden Globes, etc)
Post by: T'Chenka on November 30, 2023, 05:08:39 AM
We're about 100 days away from the next Oscars. Who's winning the big prize?

Oppenheimer is the favourite to win (Best Director --> Best Picture)

If something beats it, it'll be the Original Screenplay or Adapted Screenplay winner. Especially if they also win an acting Oscar. The best guesses I suppose would be...

1 - Oppenheimer
(Director and Actor)

2 - Maestro
(Screenplay and Actor or Actress)

3 - American Fiction
(Adapted Screenplay and Actor)

4 - The Holdovers
(Original Screenplay and Supporting Actress)

5 - Barbie
(Original Screenplay and Supporting Actor)

6 - Killers Of The Flower Moon
(Adapted Screenplay and Actress)

1 is a lot more likely than 2 3 and 4, which are more likely than 5, which is a lot more likely than 6.

Poor Things is a strong contender to win Actress (Emma Stone), but I don't think it would win Screenplay or Director (and therefore wouldn't win Picture).

Anatomy Of A Fall, The Color Purple, The Zone Of Interest, Past Lives should be in the Best Picture conversation, but not as potential winners.


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscars, Golden Globes, etc)
Post by: T'Chenka on November 30, 2023, 05:11:08 AM
Golden Globes nominations will be announced on Monday December 11th. Less than 2 weeks. Then the season really picks up and begins.


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscars, Golden Globes, etc)
Post by: Comrade Funk on November 30, 2023, 02:15:55 PM
Predictions

Best Picture - Oppenheimer
Best Actor - Cillian Murphy
Best Actress - Lily Gladstone
Best Director - Christopher Nolan
Best Original Screenplay - The Holdovers/David Hemingson


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscars, Golden Globes, etc)
Post by: Comrade Funk on December 02, 2023, 10:26:41 AM
May/December getting rave reviews


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscars, Golden Globes, etc)
Post by: Mr. Smith on December 02, 2023, 11:26:19 AM

Shapiro's opinions on film are almost as terrible as his opinions on politics, but he's right about most of those films being forgettable. Aside from EEAAO, Parasite, and Birdman, the Oscar winners of the past fifteen years have fallen out of favor pretty rapidly. The Academy tries to award the "safe" and "crowd-pleasing" options, but in the process they ignore the fact that the actual "best" picture of any given year is typically experimental, innovative, unique, and a deviation from the norm. In the end, the "safe" picks please no one. Audiences forget about them within a few years, and it's the edgy and outside-the-box films that wind up making a lasting impact on pop culture.

It isn't always easy to see which films will be widely remembered in a few decades-- but sometimes it's obvious. Plenty of movies come along that clearly revolutionize the industry's storytelling (Pulp Fiction) or technology (Star Wars) or both (Citizen Kane), and they almost always go ignored at the Oscars. I'm sure Green Book was a fine film, but I sincerely doubt it was the most creative or boundary-pushing film of 2018.

The Shape of Water isn't forgettable at all, and definitely not a "safe" choice.


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscars, Golden Globes, etc)
Post by: T'Chenka on December 07, 2023, 11:26:54 PM
NATIONAL BOARD OF REVIEW AWARDS 2023

TOP 10 FILMS
Killers Of The Flower Moon (WINNER)
Oppenheimer
The Holdovers
Poor Things
Maestro
Barbie
Past Lives
The Iron Claw
The Boy And The Heron
Ferrari

BEST DIRECTOR
Martin Scorsese (Killers Of The Flower Moon)

BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
The Holdovers

BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
Poor Things

BEST ACTRESS
Lily Gladstone (Killers Of The Flower Moon)

BEST ACTOR
Paul Giamatti (The Holdovers)

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Da'Vine Joy Randolph (The Holdovers)

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
Mark Ruffalo (Poor Things)

INTERNATIONAL FILM
Anatomy Of A Fall (WINNER)
The Zone Of Interest
Fallen Leaves
The Teachers' Lounge
La Chimera
Tótem

DOCUMENTARY
Still: A Michael J. Fox Movie (WINNER)
20 Days In Mariupol
The Eternal Memory
The Pigeon Tunnel
A Still Small Voice
32 Sounds

BEST ANIMATED FEATURE
Spider-Man: Across The Spider-Verse

TOP 10 INDEPENDENT FILMS
All Of Us Strangers
A Thousand And One
BlackBerry
Scrapper
Showing Up
Theater Camp
Earth Mama
Flora And Son
The Persian Version
All Dirt Roads Taste Of Salt

BEST DIRECTORIAL DEBUT
Celine Song (Past Lives)

BEST ENSEMBLE
The Iron Claw

BEST BREAKTHROUGH PERFORMANCE
Teyana Taylor (A Thousand And One)

OUTSTANDING ACHIEVEMENT IN CINEMATOGRAPHY
Rodrigo Prieto (Killers Of The Flower Moon and Barbie)

OUTSTANDING ACHIEVEMENT IN STUNT ARTISTRY
John Wick: Chapter 4



Title: Re: Golden Globes nominations Dec 11th (film and awards)
Post by: T'Chenka on December 07, 2023, 11:30:08 PM
AMERICAN FILM INSTITUTE AWARDS 2023

TOP 10 FILMS
Oppenheimer
Killers Of The Flower Moon
The Holdovers
Poor Things
Maestro
Barbie
American Fiction
Past Lives
May December
Spider-Man: Across The Spider-Verse


Title: Re: Film and awards (Oscars, Golden Globes, etc)
Post by: T'Chenka on December 07, 2023, 11:33:44 PM

It's definitely in the top 15 for Best Picture, at least, at this time. It's probably on the outside looking in though, between 11 and 15. We'll see how things develop. Let's see how well it does with the Golden Globes (Monday) and Critics Choice (Wednesday) nominations.


Title: Re: Golden Globes & Critics Choice noms (film & awards)
Post by: T'Chenka on December 11, 2023, 07:14:32 PM
GOLDEN GLOBES AWARDS 2023


BEST PICTURE (DRAMA)
Oppenheimer
Killers Of The Flower Moon
Maestro
Past Lives
Anatomy Of A Fall
The Zone Of Interest

BEST PICTURE (COMEDY/MUSICAL)
Poor Things
Barbie
The Holdovers
American Fiction
May December
Air

BEST DIRECTOR
Martin Scorsese (Killers Of The Flower Moon)
Christopher Nolan (Oppenheimer)
Celine Song (Past Lives)
Yorgos Lanthimos (Poor Things)
Bradley Cooper (Maestro)
Greta Gerwig (Barbie)

BEST SCREENPLAY
Barbie
Poor Things
Killers Of The Flower Moon
Past Lives
Anatomy Of A Fall
Oppenheimer

BEST ACTRESS (DRAMA)
Lily Gladstone (Killers Of The Flower Moon)
Carey Mulligan (Maestro)
Cailee Spaeny (Priscilla)
Sandra Hüller (Anatomy Of A Fall)
Greta Lee (Past Lives)
Annette Benning (Nyad)

BEST ACTRESS (COMEDY/MUSICAL)
Emma Stone (Poor Things)
Natalie Portman (May December)
Fantasia Barrino (The Color Purple)
Margot Robbie (Barbie)
Jennifer Lawrence (No Hard Feelings)
Alma Pöysti (Fallen Leaves)

BEST ACTOR (DRAMA)
Bradley Cooper (Maestro)
Cillian Murphy (Oppenheimer)
Leonardo DiCaprio (Killers Of The Flower Moon)
Colman Domingo (Rustin)
Andrew Scott (All Of Us Strangers)
Barry Keoghan (Saltburn)

BEST ACTOR (COMEDY/MUSICAL)
Paul Giamatti (The Holdovers)
Jeffrey Wright (American Fiction)
Matt Damon (Air)
Timothee Chalamet (Wonka)
Joaquin Phoenix (Beau Is Afraid)
Nicolas Cage (Dream Scenario)

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Da'Vine Joy Randolph (The Holdovers)
Danielle Brooks (The Color Purple)
Emily Blunt (Oppenheimer)
Jodie Foster (Nyad)
Julianne Moore (May December)
Rosamund Pike (Saltburn)

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
Mark Ruffalo (Poor Things)
Robert Downey Jr. (Oppenheimer)
Ryan Gosling (Barbie)
Robert de Niro (Killers Of The Flower Moon)
Charles Melton (May December)
Willem Dafoe (Poor Things)

BEST FILM NOT IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE
Anatomy Of A Fall
Past Lives
The Zone Of Interest
Fallen Leaves
Society Of The Snow
Io Capitano

BEST ANIMATED FILM
Spider-Man: Across The Spider-Verse
The Boy And The Heron
Elemental
The Super Mario Bros Movie
Suzume
Wish

BEST ORIGINAL SCORE
Oppenheimer (Ludwig Göransson)
Killers Of The Flower Moon (Robbie Robertson)
Poor Things (Jerskin Fendrix)
Spider-Man: Across The Spider-Verse (Daniel Pemberton)
The Boy And The Heron (Joe Hisaishi)
The Zone Of Interest (Mica Levi)

BEST ORIGINAL SONG
"I’m Just Ken" - Mark Ronson & Andrew Wyatt (Barbie)
"What Was I Made For" - Billie Eilish (Barbie)
"Dance The Night" - Dua Lipa (Barbie)
Peaches - Jack Black (The Super Mario Bros Movie)
"Road To Freedom" - Lenny Kravitz (Rustin)
"Addicted To Romance" - Bruce Springsteen (She Came To Me)

CINEMATIC AND BOX OFFICE ACHIEVEMENT
Barbie
Oppenheimer
Spider-Man: Across The Spider-Verse
The Super Mario Bros Movie
Guardians Of The Galaxy: Vol. 3
Taylor Swift: The Eras Tour
John Wick: Chapter 4
Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning, Part One


Title: Re: Golden Globes & Critics Choice noms (film & awards)
Post by: Comrade Funk on December 12, 2023, 06:25:55 PM
May December kind of scared me lol


Title: Re: Golden Globes & Critics Choice noms (film & awards)
Post by: wnwnwn on December 12, 2023, 10:43:44 PM
Oppenheimer was a good film, but I feel like director would have done it better. At least Nolan could put a historic drama on the spotlight, even if marketed as the genius bio it wasn't.
'Guilty by Suspicion' was a better film on the Red Scare, but it was released at the wrong time.


Title: Re: Golden Globes & Critics Choice noms (film & awards)
Post by: T'Chenka on December 13, 2023, 12:44:38 AM

That's probably what the filmmakers were trying to do. Mission accomplished.


Title: Re: Golden Globes are today / Sunday (film & awards)
Post by: T'Chenka on January 07, 2024, 08:17:31 AM
Golden Globes awards are tonight.

Expecting Oppenheimer to win Best Picture Drama. Would not be totally shocked to see Killers Of The Flower Moon win instead though.

Really hoping that Poor Things wins Best Picture Comedy/Musical, but I'm expecting Barbie to win.

Emma Stone (Poor Things) is the favourite to win Actress Comedy/Musical, and she REALLY deserves it. Will be upset if they give it to Margot Robbie (Barbie) instead.


Title: Re: Golden Globes are today / Sunday (film & awards)
Post by: Alben Barkley on January 07, 2024, 08:34:36 AM
I finally saw Killers of the Flower Moon and was very disappointed. There was little drama, little suspense, little tension because you knew from the start who was going to do what. So it’s just a series of cold killings of characters you are barely introduced to and don’t care about shown over and over again to the point you become numb to it. All the while not really understanding Leo’s motivation at all, he just seemed like a total idiot, and De Niro seemed like a cartoon villain. Also Lily Gladstone’s performance has to be the most overrated of all-time. THIS is getting Oscar buzz? She just stares blankly off into space and lies in bed for most of the movie. Her few lines are monotone and emotionless. I never got any sense of romance between her and Leo, I was just told they were supposed to have a connection I guess.

I was shocked to see something so… bad from Scorsese. It’s like he tried to make a Western but couldn’t help himself from making it a gangster/mob movie like Goodfellas, and it just didn’t work for me. Also the Indians are basically props while the story is told from the perspective of the bad guys; how is this getting praise for giving voices to marginalized people or whatever again? It’s just another Scorsese/DiCaprio/De Niro gangster movie. Yes I know it’s a true story but that doesn’t mean you have to tell it like this. I would have preferred to see it from the perspective of the early FBI investigators uncovering what happened, would have been more engaging probably.

Anyway, Oppenheimer was MUCH better. Hell, I think I even enjoyed Barbie more! Now that’s a surprise.


Title: Re: Golden Globes are today / Sunday (film & awards)
Post by: Red Velvet on January 07, 2024, 09:51:00 AM
Barbenheimer will win big. Besides the phenomenon online of the duo-release,  they were the only 2 “original” adult films (not sequels or shared universe) that managed to make HUGE box office combined with major critical acclaim.

Which is what Hollywood lacks right now, so they will try to reward those. Barbie wins Comedy/Musical and Oppenheimer wins Drama. Both of those two will also be big at the Oscars.

My favorite film from 2023 was actually Ari Aster’s “Beau is Afraid” though.


Title: Re: Golden Globes are today / Sunday (film & awards)
Post by: Red Velvet on January 07, 2024, 10:26:34 AM
Golden Globe winners predictions:

FILM - DRAMA
Winner: Oppenheimer
Alternative: Killers of the Flower Moon

FILM - COMEDY OR MUSICAL
Winner: Barbie
Alternative: Poor Things

FILM - NOT IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE
Winner: Anatomy of a Fall
Alternative: The Zone of Interest

FILM - ANIMATION
Winner: Spider-Man: Across the Spiderverse
Alternative: The Boy and the Heron

DIRECTOR
Winner: Christopher Nolan, Oppenheimer
Alternative: Greta Gerwig, Barbie

ACTOR - DRAMA
Winner: Bradley Cooper, Maestro
Alternative: Cillian Murphy, Oppenheimer

ACTOR - COMEDY OR MUSICAL
Winner: Paul Giamatti, The Holdovers
Alternative: Jeffrey Wright, American Fiction

ACTRESS - DRAMA
Winner: Lily Gladstone, Killers of the Flower Moon
Alternative: None, maybe Sandra Huller, Anatomy of a Fall in a distant 2nd.

ACTRESS - COMEDY OR MUSICAL
Winner: Emma Stone, Poor Things
Alternative: Margot Robbie, Barbie

SUPPORTING ACTOR
Winner: Ryan Gosling, Barbie
Alternative: Robert Downey Jr, Oppenheimer

SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Winner: Da’Vine Joy Randolph, The Holdovers
Alternative: Julianne Moore, May December

SCREENPLAY
Winner: Barbie
Alternative: Oppenheimer

ORIGINAL SCORE
Winner: Oppenheimer
Alternative: Killers of the Flower Moon

ORIGINAL SONG
Winner: “What Was I Made For?” from Barbie
Alternative: “I’m Just Ken” from Barbie

CINEMATIC AND BOX OFFICE ACHIEVEMENT
Winner: Taylor Swift: The Eras Tour
Alternative: Barbie


TOTAL AWARDS PREDICTION PER FILM:

1. Barbie - 4 awards (Film - Comedy/Musical + Screenplay + Supporting Actor + Song)
2. Oppenheimer - 3 awards (Film - Drama + Director + Score)
3. The Holdovers - 2 awards (Actor - Comedy/Musical + Supporting Actress)
4. Poor Things - 1 award (Actress - Comedy/Musical)
5. Killers of the Flower Moon - 1 award (Actress - Drama)
6. Maestro - 1 award (Actor - Drama)
7. Anatomy of a Fall - 1 award (Film - Not in the English Language)
8. Spider-Man: Across the Spiderverse - 1 award (Film - Animation)
9. Taylor Swift: The Eras Tour - 1 award (Cinematic and Box Office Achievement)


Title: Re: Golden Globes are today / Sunday (film & awards)
Post by: John Dule on January 07, 2024, 03:21:40 PM
I finally saw Killers of the Flower Moon and was very disappointed. There was little drama, little suspense, little tension because you knew from the start who was going to do what. So it’s just a series of cold killings of characters you are barely introduced to and don’t care about shown over and over again to the point you become numb to it. All the while not really understanding Leo’s motivation at all, he just seemed like a total idiot, and De Niro seemed like a cartoon villain. Also Lily Gladstone’s performance has to be the most overrated of all-time. THIS is getting Oscar buzz? She just stares blankly off into space and lies in bed for most of the movie. Her few lines are monotone and emotionless. I never got any sense of romance between her and Leo, I was just told they were supposed to have a connection I guess.

I was shocked to see something so… bad from Scorsese. It’s like he tried to make a Western but couldn’t help himself from making it a gangster/mob movie like Goodfellas, and it just didn’t work for me. Also the Indians are basically props while the story is told from the perspective of the bad guys; how is this getting praise for giving voices to marginalized people or whatever again? It’s just another Scorsese/DiCaprio/De Niro gangster movie. Yes I know it’s a true story but that doesn’t mean you have to tell it like this. I would have preferred to see it from the perspective of the early FBI investigators uncovering what happened, would have been more engaging probably.

Anyway, Oppenheimer was MUCH better. Hell, I think I even enjoyed Barbie more! Now that’s a surprise.

Lmao, Oppenheimer was not better than KOTFM by any stretch of the imagination. Oppenheimer was ponderous and overblown; every single second of the movie has an overbearing, self-important musical score designed to telegraph just how important the events are. The whole point of KOTFM is that the scheme is discussed as if it’s nothing out of the ordinary. This shows how pliable, manipulable people like DiCaprio’s character can be roped into committing evil acts. The movie is about the banality of evil, which is why it chooses subtlety— not something a Nolan fan could understand.


Title: Re: Golden Globes are today / Sunday (film & awards)
Post by: Alben Barkley on January 07, 2024, 03:25:47 PM
I finally saw Killers of the Flower Moon and was very disappointed. There was little drama, little suspense, little tension because you knew from the start who was going to do what. So it’s just a series of cold killings of characters you are barely introduced to and don’t care about shown over and over again to the point you become numb to it. All the while not really understanding Leo’s motivation at all, he just seemed like a total idiot, and De Niro seemed like a cartoon villain. Also Lily Gladstone’s performance has to be the most overrated of all-time. THIS is getting Oscar buzz? She just stares blankly off into space and lies in bed for most of the movie. Her few lines are monotone and emotionless. I never got any sense of romance between her and Leo, I was just told they were supposed to have a connection I guess.

I was shocked to see something so… bad from Scorsese. It’s like he tried to make a Western but couldn’t help himself from making it a gangster/mob movie like Goodfellas, and it just didn’t work for me. Also the Indians are basically props while the story is told from the perspective of the bad guys; how is this getting praise for giving voices to marginalized people or whatever again? It’s just another Scorsese/DiCaprio/De Niro gangster movie. Yes I know it’s a true story but that doesn’t mean you have to tell it like this. I would have preferred to see it from the perspective of the early FBI investigators uncovering what happened, would have been more engaging probably.

Anyway, Oppenheimer was MUCH better. Hell, I think I even enjoyed Barbie more! Now that’s a surprise.

Lmao, Oppenheimer was not better than KOTFM by any stretch of the imagination. Oppenheimer was ponderous and overblown; every single second of the movie has an overbearing, self-important musical score designed to telegraph just how important the events are. The whole point of KOTFM is that the scheme is discussed as if it’s nothing out of the ordinary. This shows how pliable, manipulable people like DiCaprio’s character can be roped into committing evil acts. The movie is about the banality of evil, which is why it chooses subtlety— not something a Nolan fan could understand.

That may have been "the point" but if so I got "the point" very early on and then it just started feeling repetitive. Just didn't make for a very entertaining movie to watch for 3 and a half hours, unlike some of Scorsese's other works which hit on similar themes but do so in a more engrossing way.

Just my opinion man, you know I respect yours so why not respect mine? Sure Nolan is a bit bombastic, but so was Wagner. Doesn't mean you can't create great art just like more subtle works can be.


Title: Re: Golden Globes are today / Sunday (film & awards)
Post by: nicholas.slaydon on January 07, 2024, 06:23:08 PM
Predictions:

Best Film Drama:
Oppenheimer
2nd place: Anatomy of a Fall

Best Film Drama Actress:
Sandra Huller
2nd Place: Lily Gladstone

Best Film Drama Actor:
Cillian Murphey
2nd Place: Andrew Scott

Best Film Comedy/Musical:
Barbie
2nd Place: Poor Things

Best Film Comedy/Musical Actress:
Margot Robbie
2nd Place: Emma Stone

Best Film Comedy/Musical Actor:
Paul Giamatti
2nd Place: Jeffery Wright

Best Film Supporting Actress:
Da'Vine Joy Randolph
2nd Place: Danielle Brooks

Best Film Supporting Actor:
Charles Melton
2nd Place: Robert Downey Jr

Best Film Director:
Christopher Nolan
2nd Place: Greta Gerwig

Best Film Screenplay:
Anatomy of a Fall
2nd Place: Past Lives

Best Animated Feature:
Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse
2nd Place: The Boy and the Heron

Best Non-English Film:
Anatomy of a Fall
2nd Place: Past Lives

Best Score: Oppenheimer
2nd Place: Poor Things

Best Song:
"What Was I Made For"- Barbie
2nd Place: "I'm Just Ken" Barbie

Cinematic and Box Office Achievement:
Taylor Swift: The Eras Tour
2nd Place: Barbie



Title: Re: Golden Globes are today / Sunday (film & awards)
Post by: John Dule on January 07, 2024, 08:00:12 PM
I finally saw Killers of the Flower Moon and was very disappointed. There was little drama, little suspense, little tension because you knew from the start who was going to do what. So it’s just a series of cold killings of characters you are barely introduced to and don’t care about shown over and over again to the point you become numb to it. All the while not really understanding Leo’s motivation at all, he just seemed like a total idiot, and De Niro seemed like a cartoon villain. Also Lily Gladstone’s performance has to be the most overrated of all-time. THIS is getting Oscar buzz? She just stares blankly off into space and lies in bed for most of the movie. Her few lines are monotone and emotionless. I never got any sense of romance between her and Leo, I was just told they were supposed to have a connection I guess.

I was shocked to see something so… bad from Scorsese. It’s like he tried to make a Western but couldn’t help himself from making it a gangster/mob movie like Goodfellas, and it just didn’t work for me. Also the Indians are basically props while the story is told from the perspective of the bad guys; how is this getting praise for giving voices to marginalized people or whatever again? It’s just another Scorsese/DiCaprio/De Niro gangster movie. Yes I know it’s a true story but that doesn’t mean you have to tell it like this. I would have preferred to see it from the perspective of the early FBI investigators uncovering what happened, would have been more engaging probably.

Anyway, Oppenheimer was MUCH better. Hell, I think I even enjoyed Barbie more! Now that’s a surprise.

Lmao, Oppenheimer was not better than KOTFM by any stretch of the imagination. Oppenheimer was ponderous and overblown; every single second of the movie has an overbearing, self-important musical score designed to telegraph just how important the events are. The whole point of KOTFM is that the scheme is discussed as if it’s nothing out of the ordinary. This shows how pliable, manipulable people like DiCaprio’s character can be roped into committing evil acts. The movie is about the banality of evil, which is why it chooses subtlety— not something a Nolan fan could understand.

That may have been "the point" but if so I got "the point" very early on and then it just started feeling repetitive. Just didn't make for a very entertaining movie to watch for 3 and a half hours, unlike some of Scorsese's other works which hit on similar themes but do so in a more engrossing way.

Just my opinion man, you know I respect yours so why not respect mine? Sure Nolan is a bit bombastic, but so was Wagner. Doesn't mean you can't create great art just like more subtle works can be.

Literally none of Scorsese's other films hit on this theme aside from maybe The Irishman. The whole point is that his past films have always glorified his criminal protagonists to some degree-- Travis Bickle and Jordan Belfort are "literally me" heroes to mentally ill teenage boys, and even Rupert Pupkin is somewhat admirable for his commitment to achieving his goal. KOTFM is instead about a group of people with no admirable traits. No one will quote or imitate them. Nobody will relate to them as "cool." In this sense the movie is a much greater achievement than his past crime thrillers, because it succeeds in unequivocally denouncing its own characters. This is very difficult for a movie to do, given that almost anything that happens on the screen is inevitably glorified to some degree.

Why don't I respect your opinion? Simple: I like to start drama and cause arguments about movies. This is because I'm an asshole.


Title: Re: Golden Globes are today / Sunday (film & awards)
Post by: T'Chenka on January 08, 2024, 04:38:37 AM
Poor Things won Best Picture (Comedy/Musical) over Barbie!

Was not expecting that at all, but I'm very pleasantly surprised. Poor Things is an amazing movie. People are sleeping on it.


Title: Re: Golden Globes, SAG noms and DGA noms (film & awards)
Post by: T'Chenka on January 08, 2024, 04:42:26 AM
SAG (Screen Actors' Guild) and DGA (Directors' Guild of America) will announce their nominations on Wednesday. PGA (Producers' Guild of America) will announce their nominations on Friday.

The ceremony for the Critics Choice Awards will take place on Sunday (Jan 14)

Thursday January 18: the BAFTA nominations will be announced.

Tuesday January 23: the Academy Awards (Oscars) nominations will be announced.


Title: Re: Golden Globes done, Critics Choice Jan 14 (film & awards)
Post by: MABA 2020 on January 08, 2024, 01:19:11 PM
Glad to see Oppenheimer and Poor Things win, I haven't seen it yet but I'm very excited to see it when it's released.


Title: Re: Golden Globes done, Critics Choice Jan 14 (film & awards)
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on January 08, 2024, 03:25:12 PM
I didn't watch the Golden Globes, but my biggest takeaway is that Billie Eilish could pass for Cillian Murphy's daughter.


Title: Re: Golden Globes done, Critics Choice Jan 14 (film & awards)
Post by: Comrade Funk on January 08, 2024, 07:21:53 PM
No chance Oppenheimer loses.


Title: Re: Golden Globes done, Critics Choice Jan 14 (film & awards)
Post by: T'Chenka on January 08, 2024, 07:54:11 PM

Oppenheimer is going to have a strong package, for sure.

Director + probably 1 or 2 of Actor and or Supporting Actor + also win some tech awards

For another movie to beat that, it's going to AT LEAST need Screenplay, and likely it would need Actress or Supporting Actress, or even better than that, Actor (which means Cillian Murphy loses) or Supporting Actor (which means Robert Downie Jr loses).

Movies we could imagine could do that right now...

Barbie - Adapted Screenplay + Supporting Actor (Ryan Gosling)
Poor Things - Adapted Screenplay + Actress (Emma Stone)
The Holdovers - Original Screenplay + Supporting Actress (Da'Vine Joy Randolph)


Also possible but not particularly likely...
Killers Of The Flower Moon - Adapted Screenplay + Actress (Lily Gladstone)
American Fiction - Adapted Screenplay + Actor (Jeffrey Wright)


Flower Moon's weak point is how unlikely it is to win Adapted Screenplay
American Fiction's weak point is how unlikely it is for Jeffrey Wright to win Actor


Maestro could win Actor, but I don't see it winning Screenplay or stealing Director away from Oppenheimer.

Past Lives or Anatomy Of A Fall could win Original Screenplay, but they won't win any acting awards.


Title: Re: Golden Globes done, Critics Choice Jan 14 (film & awards)
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on January 08, 2024, 08:03:03 PM

Oppenheimer is going to have a strong package, for sure.

Director + probably 1 or 2 of Actor and or Supporting Actor + also win some tech awards

For another movie to beat that, it's going to AT LEAST need Screenplay, and likely it would need Actress or Supporting Actress, or even better than that, Actor (which means Cillian Murphy loses) or Supporting Actor (which means Robert Downie Jr loses).

Movies we could imagine could do that right now...

Barbie - Adapted Screenplay + Supporting Actor (Ryan Gosling)
Poor Things - Adapted Screenplay + Actress (Emma Stone)
The Holdovers - Original Screenplay + Supporting Actress (Da'Vine Joy Randolph)
Killers Of The Flower Moon - Adapted Screenplay + Actress (Lily Gladstone)

Also possible but not particularly likely...
American Fiction - Adapted Screenplay + Actor (Jeffrey Wright)

Maestro could win Actor, but I don't see it winning Screenplay or stealing Director away from Oppenheimer.

Past Lives or Anatomy Of A Fall could win Original Screenplay, but they won't win any acting awards.

Flower Moon could win Actor or Director


Title: Re: Golden Globes done, Critics Choice Jan 14 (film & awards)
Post by: T'Chenka on January 08, 2024, 08:09:45 PM

Oppenheimer is 90% or higher chance to win Director. If it somehow loses, I THINK Flower Moon would be the second in line to win, but honestly that's not 100% clear at this point. There's some world out there where Oppenheimer loses against all odds and the movie that wins isn't Flower Moon.

In terms of Actor... Cillian Murphy, Bradley Cooper and Paul Giamatti are the three guys fighting to win this award. Leonardo DiCaprio and Jeffrey Wright are both likely to be nominated, but not with a good chance to win.

Flower Moon's best chances to win a (big, non-tech) Oscar is Actress, by far.

Adapted Screenplay is probably it's second best chance, but it's odds are not good.

Director would be third best chance.

Actor and Supporting Actor are very tiny chances to win. But good chance to get nominated.


All of this is based on what internet nerds are predicting, past precedents, etc. Take it with a grain of salt if you want. Sadly, I follow this kind of closely, so I'm confident in all of this. Things CAN change (pay attention to: DGA PGA Critics Choice SAG and BAFTA) but as of right now, it looks like this IMO.


Title: Re: Golden Globes done, Critics Choice Jan 14 (film & awards)
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on January 08, 2024, 08:15:14 PM

Oppenheimer is 90% or higher chance to win Director. If it somehow loses, I THINK Flower Moon would be the second in line to win, but honestly that's not 100% clear at this point. There's some world out there where Oppenheimer loses against all odds and the movie that wins isn't Flower Moon.

In terms of Actor... Cillian Murphy, Bradley Cooper and Paul Giamatti are the three guys fighting to win this award. Leonardo DiCaprio and Jeffrey Wright are both likely to be nominated, but not with a good chance to win.

Flower Moon's best chances to win a (big, non-tech) Oscar is Actress, by far.

Adapted Screenplay is probably it's second best chance, but it's odds are not good.

Director would be third best chance.

Actor and Supporting Actor are very tiny chances to win. But good chance to get nominated.


All of this is based on what internet nerds are predicting, past precedents, etc. Take it with a grain of salt if you want. Sadly, I follow this kind of closely, so I'm confident in all of this. Things CAN change (pay attention to: DGA PGA Critics Choice SAG and BAFTA) but as of right now, it looks like this IMO.

Not even sure Cooper will get nominated for Best Actor.  He was decidedly meh and Maestro was a pretty bad movie.


Title: Re: Golden Globes are today / Sunday (film & awards)
Post by: GoTfan on January 09, 2024, 10:22:23 AM
I finally saw Killers of the Flower Moon and was very disappointed. There was little drama, little suspense, little tension because you knew from the start who was going to do what. So it’s just a series of cold killings of characters you are barely introduced to and don’t care about shown over and over again to the point you become numb to it. All the while not really understanding Leo’s motivation at all, he just seemed like a total idiot, and De Niro seemed like a cartoon villain. Also Lily Gladstone’s performance has to be the most overrated of all-time. THIS is getting Oscar buzz? She just stares blankly off into space and lies in bed for most of the movie. Her few lines are monotone and emotionless. I never got any sense of romance between her and Leo, I was just told they were supposed to have a connection I guess.

I was shocked to see something so… bad from Scorsese. It’s like he tried to make a Western but couldn’t help himself from making it a gangster/mob movie like Goodfellas, and it just didn’t work for me. Also the Indians are basically props while the story is told from the perspective of the bad guys; how is this getting praise for giving voices to marginalized people or whatever again? It’s just another Scorsese/DiCaprio/De Niro gangster movie. Yes I know it’s a true story but that doesn’t mean you have to tell it like this. I would have preferred to see it from the perspective of the early FBI investigators uncovering what happened, would have been more engaging probably.

Anyway, Oppenheimer was MUCH better. Hell, I think I even enjoyed Barbie more! Now that’s a surprise.

Lmao, Oppenheimer was not better than KOTFM by any stretch of the imagination. Oppenheimer was ponderous and overblown; every single second of the movie has an overbearing, self-important musical score designed to telegraph just how important the events are. The whole point of KOTFM is that the scheme is discussed as if it’s nothing out of the ordinary. This shows how pliable, manipulable people like DiCaprio’s character can be roped into committing evil acts. The movie is about the banality of evil, which is why it chooses subtlety— not something a Nolan fan could understand.

That may have been "the point" but if so I got "the point" very early on and then it just started feeling repetitive. Just didn't make for a very entertaining movie to watch for 3 and a half hours, unlike some of Scorsese's other works which hit on similar themes but do so in a more engrossing way.

Just my opinion man, you know I respect yours so why not respect mine? Sure Nolan is a bit bombastic, but so was Wagner. Doesn't mean you can't create great art just like more subtle works can be.

Literally none of Scorsese's other films hit on this theme aside from maybe The Irishman. The whole point is that his past films have always glorified his criminal protagonists to some degree-- Travis Bickle and Jordan Belfort are "literally me" heroes to mentally ill teenage boys, and even Rupert Pupkin is somewhat admirable for his commitment to achieving his goal. KOTFM is instead about a group of people with no admirable traits. No one will quote or imitate them. Nobody will relate to them as "cool." In this sense the movie is a much greater achievement than his past crime thrillers, because it succeeds in unequivocally denouncing its own characters. This is very difficult for a movie to do, given that almost anything that happens on the screen is inevitably glorified to some degree.

Why don't I respect your opinion? Simple: I like to start drama and cause arguments about movies. This is because I'm an asshole.

I think both are excellent films in their own right.  Oppenheimer succeeded at what it wanted to be, so did KOTFM. Personally they're two of the best films I've seen in the last fifteen years.

I do happen to agree with the point about Scorsese dropping the hammer on the whole idea that the mob is a good way to live in his more recent films, but there is an argument if it's too little, too late now. I'll let that be decided by people more intelligent than me.


Title: Re: Golden Globes done, Critics Choice Jan 14 (film & awards)
Post by: Sestak on January 09, 2024, 03:22:28 PM

Oppenheimer is 90% or higher chance to win Director. If it somehow loses, I THINK Flower Moon would be the second in line to win, but honestly that's not 100% clear at this point. There's some world out there where Oppenheimer loses against all odds and the movie that wins isn't Flower Moon.

In terms of Actor... Cillian Murphy, Bradley Cooper and Paul Giamatti are the three guys fighting to win this award. Leonardo DiCaprio and Jeffrey Wright are both likely to be nominated, but not with a good chance to win.

Flower Moon's best chances to win a (big, non-tech) Oscar is Actress, by far.

Adapted Screenplay is probably it's second best chance, but it's odds are not good.

Director would be third best chance.

Actor and Supporting Actor are very tiny chances to win. But good chance to get nominated.


All of this is based on what internet nerds are predicting, past precedents, etc. Take it with a grain of salt if you want. Sadly, I follow this kind of closely, so I'm confident in all of this. Things CAN change (pay attention to: DGA PGA Critics Choice SAG and BAFTA) but as of right now, it looks like this IMO.

Not even sure Cooper will get nominated for Best Actor.  He was decidedly meh and Maestro was a pretty bad movie.

The entire reason Maestro was made was to get Bradley Cooper an Oscar. It probably doesn’t have the steam to get there all the way, but when you’re as well liked in Hollywood as Cooper seems to be, this type of thing generally garners at least a nomination.


Title: Re: Golden Globes done, Critics Choice Jan 14 (film & awards)
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on January 09, 2024, 04:01:40 PM

Oppenheimer is 90% or higher chance to win Director. If it somehow loses, I THINK Flower Moon would be the second in line to win, but honestly that's not 100% clear at this point. There's some world out there where Oppenheimer loses against all odds and the movie that wins isn't Flower Moon.

In terms of Actor... Cillian Murphy, Bradley Cooper and Paul Giamatti are the three guys fighting to win this award. Leonardo DiCaprio and Jeffrey Wright are both likely to be nominated, but not with a good chance to win.

Flower Moon's best chances to win a (big, non-tech) Oscar is Actress, by far.

Adapted Screenplay is probably it's second best chance, but it's odds are not good.

Director would be third best chance.

Actor and Supporting Actor are very tiny chances to win. But good chance to get nominated.


All of this is based on what internet nerds are predicting, past precedents, etc. Take it with a grain of salt if you want. Sadly, I follow this kind of closely, so I'm confident in all of this. Things CAN change (pay attention to: DGA PGA Critics Choice SAG and BAFTA) but as of right now, it looks like this IMO.

Not even sure Cooper will get nominated for Best Actor.  He was decidedly meh and Maestro was a pretty bad movie.

The entire reason Maestro was made was to get Bradley Cooper an Oscar. It probably doesn’t have the steam to get there all the way, but when you’re as well liked in Hollywood as Cooper seems to be, this type of thing generally garners at least a nomination.


Maybe, but it was a really bad movie.  I don’t usually have to repeatedly rewind a movie due to falling asleep multiple times out of sheer boredom.  And Cooper’s performance wasn’t anything special, although it wasn’t an embarrassment like whatever Carey Mulligan was doing.


Title: Re: Golden Globes done, Critics Choice Jan 14 (film & awards)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 10, 2024, 03:08:47 AM
The entire reason Maestro was made was to get Bradley Cooper an Oscar. It probably doesn’t have the steam to get there all the way, but when you’re as well liked in Hollywood as Cooper seems to be, this type of thing generally garners at least a nomination.

Are there really so many people in Hollywood who think that Cooper is overdue for an Oscar? I don't think so. If Glenn Close and Chadwick Boseman couldn't get sympathy awards then I doubt that Cooper will succeed.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: T'Chenka on January 22, 2024, 10:31:39 AM
Oscar nominations coming in 22 hours.

FINAL PREDICTIONS

PICTURE
Oppenheimer, The Holdovers, Barbie, Killers Of The Flower Moon, Poor Things, Anatomy Of A Fall, Past Lives, American Fiction, Maestro, The Zone Of Interest

DIRECTOR
Oppenheimer, Killers Of The Flower Moon, Poor Things, The Holdovers, Anatomy Of A Fall

ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
The Holdovers, Anatomy Of A Fall, Past Lives, Maestro, May December

ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
Barbie, American Fiction, Oppenheimer, Poor Things, Killers Of The Flower Moon

ACTRESS
Poor Things, Killers Of The Flower Moon, Maestro, Barbie, Anatomy Of A Fall

ACTOR
The Holdovers, Oppenheimer, Maestro, American Fiction, Rustin

SUPPORTING ACTRESS
The Holdovers, The Color Purple, Oppenheimer, Nyad, Ferrari

SUPPORTING ACTOR
Oppenheimer, Barbie, Killers Of The Flower Moon, Poor Things, American Fiction


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on January 23, 2024, 08:24:39 AM
Final Oscar Predictions:

* = a lock

Picture:
American Fiction
*Anatomy of a Fall
*Barbie
*The Holdovers
*Killers of the Flower Moon
Maestro
*Oppenheimer
*Poor Things
The Zone of Interest

Alternate: All of Us Strangers

Actor:
Bradley Cooper (Maestro)
Leonardo DiCaprio (Killers of the Flower Moon)
*Paul Giamatti (The Holdovers)
*Cillian Murphy (Oppenheimer)
Jeffrey Wright (American Fiction)

Alternate: Coleman Domingo (Rustin)

Actress:
*Lilly Gladstone (Killers of the Flower Moon)
*Sandra Huller (Anatomy of a Fall)
Carey Mulligan (Maestro)
Margot Robbie (Barbie)
*Emma Stone (Poor Things)

Alternate: Greta Lee (Past Lives)

Director:
Greta Gerwig (Barbie)
Yargos Lanthimos (Poor Things)
*Christopher Nolan (Oppenheimer)
*Martin Scorsese (Killers of the Flower Moon)
Alexander Payne (The Holdovers)

Alternate: Justine Trier (Anatomy of a Fall)

Adapted Screenplay:
*American Fiction
*Barbie (absurd categorization that no one but AMPAS agrees with)
Killers of the Flower Moon
Oppenheimer
*Poor Things

Alternate: The Zone of Interest

Original Screenplay:
*Anatomy of a Fall
*The Holdovers
*May December
Maestro
Past Lives

Alternate: Saltburn

Supporting Actor:
Sterling K. Brown (American Fiction)
Robert De Niro (Killers of the Flower Moon)
*Robert Downey Jr. (Oppenheimer)
*Ryan Gosling (Barbie)
Mark Ruffalo (Poor Things)

Alternate: Dominic Sessa (The Holdovers)

Supporting Actress:
*Emily Blunt (Oppenheimer)
*Danielle Brooks (The Color Purple)
Jodie Foster (NYAD)
Claire Foy (All of Us Strangers)
*Da’Vine Joy Randolph (The Holdovers)

Alternate: Penelope Cruz (Ferrari)

Editing:
Anatomy of a Fall
Barbie
*Killers of the Flower Moon
*Oppenheimer
*Poor Things

Alternate: The Holdovers

Foreign Film:
Fallen Leaves
Perfect Days
*Society of the Snow
The Taste of Things ( ::) )
*The Zone of Interest

Alternate: The Teacher’s Lounge


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Sestak on January 23, 2024, 09:11:32 AM
Nyad just had to eat two spots and ruin everyone’s day, huh.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Red Velvet on January 23, 2024, 10:16:30 AM
This is actually the strongest set of nominees in years. Oscars only nominate small movies people don’t care about in the last years and which were also not good enough or somewhat boring.

2013 with Gravity; 2016 with La La Land vs Moonlight vs Manchester and 2019 with Parasite (which wasn’t seen by many in US but it was an exceptionally GREAT movie) are the ones that stand out to me. All the other years in last ten tears were too mediocre for me to even remember tbh.

This year there’s a variety that’s healthy and also quite good and exciting. You have as Best Picture nominees:

- Barbie and Oppenheimer, as the big popular blockbusters with rave reviews that everyone watched and loved, both being the ~movie events~ of the year as well.

- Killers of the Flower Moon, as big famous and known Director Auteurish project, with Scorsese being the most recognized Director of the bunch

- The Holdovers, as the fully Original and Fictional adult movie that is well-made, immersive and emotional but also quite Fun, film of the bunch.

- Poor Things, as the well-received quirky and somewhat weird concept film that people find unusual but enjoy a lot and feel like adds personality to the nomination list.

- Anatomy of a Fall and Zone of Interest, as the highly raved foreign films (non-US made) that were loved after premiering in Cannes.

- Past Lives, as the well received Asian-American film following the EEAAO Best Picture last year, guaranteeing not all films are about White people.

- American Fiction, as the well received Afro-American film guaranteeing not all films nominated are about White or Asian people.

- Maestro, as the traditional boring historical biopic of an American figure or celeb guaranteeing that we also have at least one nominee that is basic for the people who like that kind of stuff.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Sprouts Farmers Market ✘ on January 23, 2024, 10:45:53 AM
2019 with Parasite (which wasn’t seen by many in US but it was an exceptionally GREAT movie) are the ones that stand out to me.

This is just blind anti-American bias if you honestly think that. It was the third biggest US Best Picture winner of the 2010s (after The King's Speech and Argo - certainly ahead of Green Book when you account for streaming), and given how poorly the reputation of the other two has aged since their victories, it is probably the most discussed film outside of EEAAO even years five after its release.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 23, 2024, 10:56:57 AM
"Parasite" was a pretty good movie up until the point it decided to become a splatter.
"Snowpiercer" was much better both as a film in general and as an anti-capitalist satire.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Red Velvet on January 23, 2024, 11:30:55 AM
2019 with Parasite (which wasn’t seen by many in US but it was an exceptionally GREAT movie) are the ones that stand out to me.

This is just blind anti-American bias if you honestly think that. It was the third biggest US Best Picture winner of the 2010s (after The King's Speech and Argo - certainly ahead of Green Book when you account for streaming), and given how poorly the reputation of the other two has aged since their victories, it is probably the most discussed film outside of EEAAO even years five after its release.

What? Absolutely not. EEAAO, Shape of Water and even freaking 12 Years a Slave all had bigger box office in US than Parasite as well.

Parasite did great box office in US for a foreign film but it wasn’t even more watched  like it would have if it was in English, because of the natural limitations of being a foreign film.

Only reason so many BP winners have even lower box office than Parasite goes back to my original point: Many of the films the Academy embraced last years were films that average people didn’t care about, besides not being that great or memorable either.

Parasite is the only BP winner from last years that I consider truly a masterpiece, so it should have been much more seen because it isn’t a small film or a slow watch either.

Moonlight was also pretty great but naturally a more intimate smaller film that wouldn’t get much of an audience.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 23, 2024, 11:51:37 AM
What? Absolutely not. EEAAO, Shape of Water and even freaking 12 Years a Slave all had bigger box office in US than Parasite as well.

Parasite did great box office in US for a foreign film but it wasn’t even more watched  like it would have if it was in English, because of the natural limitations of being a foreign film.

Only reason so many BP winners have even lower box office than Parasite goes back to my original point: Many of the films the Academy embraced last years were films that average people didn’t care about, besides not being that great or memorable either.

Parasite is the only BP winner from last years that I consider truly a masterpiece, so it should have been much more seen because it isn’t a small film or a slow watch either.

Moonlight was also pretty great but naturally a more intimate smaller film that wouldn’t get much of an audience.

ΕΕΑΑΟ was a bone fide blockbuster compared to the Oscar winners of 2010s. Anyway, I couldn't have said it better than James Berardinelli did four years ago, after the "Parasite" win.

I can’t argue with the statement that Parasite deserved Best Picture. I would have said the same about 1917, The Irishman, Once Upon a Time, or Joker. But the “Best Picture” category has never been fully about merit. It’s about celebrating cinema and, on that level, Parasite falls short. Why? Because hardly anyone has seen it. For 2019, it ended up at #70 on the box office chart with a domestic gross of $35M.

To be fair, that’s an incredible haul for a subtitled movie and indicates it had some penetration into multiplexes. Nevertheless, Joe Mainstream or Jane Mainstream probably didn’t see it. And that’s where the Oscars’ continuing problem lies.

Think back to the ‘90s and titles like Dances with Wolves, The Silence of the Lambs, Unforgiven, Schindler’s List, Forrest Gump, Braveheart, Titanic. Those were excellent movies that everyone saw. They were worthy of the Best Picture designation.
In the 2010s, however, there have been The King’s Speech, The Artist, Birdman, Spotlight, Moonlight, The Shape of Water, and now Parasite. It’s not a matter of quality, it’s a matter of perception. And the perception is that the Oscars have become elitist, losing touch with “regular” movie-goers.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Red Velvet on January 23, 2024, 12:10:23 PM
It’s not that Oscars became elitist though, Hollywood simply stopped making big or medium sized “prestige” original films like they used to because they don’t deliver money. Everything is a superhero franchise or another big IP brand that doesn’t have the necessary quality to be nominated.

That’s why the Oscars turned to indies more recently or rely more on “safe” auteurs and also are more open towards foreign films, where they can find that type of adult movie that is original and good more easily.

This year they were just lucky that Barbenheimer was such a critics + box office phenomenon, combining the best of both worlds.

If you look at the other nominees, it’s a strong list in terms of quality but reflects the past decade trends I’ve mentioned. Two non-US foreign films that were acclaimed in Cannes, exactly like Parasite was. One big established auteur film that should always be safe, this year happens to be Scorsese. One bland biopic people don’t care for. Two smaller low-stakes comedy/dramas that bring more diversity to the list and prevent it from being an all-white line up. One quirky film with a crazy premise and vision, also made by a younger auteur that represents ~the future~.

And then there’s “The Holdovers”, which is the film from the line up that probably comes the closest to matching the vibe of traditional old-school Oscar nominees from the past. But which will also not be big at the box office because audiences are infantilized these days and don’t go to cinemas to watch these movies anymore.

Compare The Holdovers box office with the one Oscar nominated Sideways (from same director) got:

- The Holdovers (2023) - $18 Million
- Sideways (2004) - $71 Million

And that’s because The Holdovers is a pretty good movie, on the same level or even better than Sideways. Both original adult movies that cater to the same kind of audience.

Like, movies like Sideways weren’t giant blockbusters or anything but they were pretty well-seen and even more seen than the “big audience successes” from Oscar these days such as EEAAO, which made $77 Million - same box office as Sideways but TWENTY years later, with all the accumulated inflation that happened that is nothing compared in terms of tickets bought.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Sprouts Farmers Market ✘ on January 23, 2024, 12:28:10 PM
2019 with Parasite (which wasn’t seen by many in US but it was an exceptionally GREAT movie) are the ones that stand out to me.

This is just blind anti-American bias if you honestly think that. It was the third biggest US Best Picture winner of the 2010s (after The King's Speech and Argo - certainly ahead of Green Book when you account for streaming), and given how poorly the reputation of the other two has aged since their victories, it is probably the most discussed film outside of EEAAO even years five after its release.

What? Absolutely not. EEAAO, Shape of Water and even freaking 12 Years a Slave all had bigger box office in US than Parasite as well.

Parasite did great box office in US for a foreign film but it wasn’t even more watched  like it would have if it was in English, because of the natural limitations of being a foreign film.

Only reason so many BP winners have even lower box office than Parasite goes back to my original point: Many of the films the Academy embraced last years were films that average people didn’t care about, besides not being that great or memorable either.

Parasite is the only BP winner from last years that I consider truly a masterpiece, so it should have been much more seen because it isn’t a small film or a slow watch either.

Moonlight was also pretty great but naturally a more intimate smaller film that wouldn’t get much of an audience.

Parasite's biggest box office week was 14 February 2020. It experienced an unnatural decline in box office revenue since the whole country closed down about 3 weeks later. It was immediately made available for streaming in April, and basically everyone watched it via streaming services due to theatres being closed. It would have passed both of these films (even without its clearly superior streaming numbers in an era defined by streaming) - although certainly not ahead of EEAAO, which is not part of the 2010s.

Not to mention Shape of Water got a 5 million bump post-win.


I sadly can't argue that The Holdovers was more viewed than Sideways  as it only had a three week theatre run and was released on Peacock, a service which only diehard Notre Dame fans typically subscribe to.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 23, 2024, 02:10:48 PM
It’s not that Oscars became elitist though, Hollywood simply stopped making big or medium sized “prestige” original films like they used to because they don’t deliver money. Everything is a superhero franchise or another big IP brand that doesn’t have the necessary quality to be nominated.

That’s why the Oscars turned to indies more recently or rely more on “safe” auteurs and also are more open towards foreign films, where they can find that type of adult movie that is original and good more easily.

I don't buy that. Reading all these anonymous Academy members interviews every year I'm pretty sure that if "Titanic" or "Lord of the Rings" came out during the 2010s they wouldn't even have been nominated.

We can debate the reasons for that but I think that the "Dark Knight" snub in 2009 was an inflection point that signalled a turn away from big budget/event movies and towards more obscure, artsy stuff.   


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: John Dule on January 23, 2024, 02:33:43 PM
The problem with the Oscars isn't elitism, it's that they routinely go for the "safe," inoffensive, crowd-pleasing picks. Parasite, American Beauty, and Birdman are the rare recent exceptions when the Academy honored truly subversive, innovative art-- but aside from that, their pattern from the 90s through to today has been pretty consistent. It's either conventional crowd-pleasing period pieces like Titanic or The King's Speech; films with anodyne racial messages like 12 Years a Slave, Green Book, Dances With Wolves, or Moonlight; or just sickeningly feel-good tripe like Forrest Gump.

I'm long past the point of caring about what wins Best Picture, but if we're going to have these types of awards, they should honor boundary-pushing films that innovate with the medium and challenge audiences. The idea that this should be a coronation ceremony for whatever superhero movie the largest number of drooling neckbeards watched that year renders it completely pointless.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: LAKISYLVANIA on January 23, 2024, 02:54:00 PM
I've once wrote something about the last winners so given it seems like were talking that

2010: The King's Speech
Many people consider this a steal, i can see why because it won over the much more popular Inception and Black Swan but these two are indeed not ones you would also have expected an Academy win. I'm sort of okay with this win but it should have been Black Swan.

2011: The Artist
Not a great year for the Academys, so a kind of niche film that won. I haven't seen this one, but it's not really a must to see i believe. A lot of films nominated are underwhelming.

2012: Argo
Yeah this one shouldn't have won either. I think the crowdpleaser Life of Pi or Django Unchained would have been better picks, but almost everything else nominated was a better pick.

2013: 12 Years a Slave
Also sort of overrated i feel. Captain Phillips, Dallas Buyers Club, Her, Gravity, Nebraska and the Wolf of Wall Street all would have been better picks, think the latter shouldve won but usually they don't give the win to that kind of films anymore. If the Academy wanted to award a more laidback intimate film than Nebraska shouldve won.

2014: Birdman
Not the film i would've given the award too i'm kind of okay with this. Style-over-substance though since broadway kind of theme isn't really going to have wide appeal. The best film was Whiplash imo but i also can see why the academy didn't went for that one. Boyhood was also nominated and I consider the same tier as Birdman. Think this one was close if we were flies behind the voting process.

2015: Spotlight
Yea LOL. Literally every other film nominated here would have been a better pick, and i would have been fine with The Revenant. (and no i'm not a DiCaprio stan)

2016: Moonlight
Lots of good contendors, wouldn't have given it to this one but to Manchester by the Sea but still glad it won over La La Land. Has more depth than one would think.

2017: The Shape of Water
Some people consider this a lackluster winner or a steal, i hard diagree here. It was the best film nominated imo.

2018: Green Book
Not a great year for oscars when i check nominated. Most people consider this oscar bait (which is yes to some extent true). It's a bit sentimental. But i still also agree with the pick here, though i would've been fine with The Favourite as well. Everything else is a bit underwhelming and some films didn't deserve the nomination (Vice kuch). Didn't vibe with Roma too much but it would've been allright for me, would have been a more cinematic and daring winner than the easier Green Book.

2019: Parasite
Great year, great winner, right pick as well, not much to say. Haven't seen Little Women and The Irishman but i liked every nominated here that i watched (1917, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, Ford v Ferrari, Jojo Rabbit, Joker, Marriage Story), no exceptions, sometimes with the expectation i wouldve not liked a certain film but every film is solid at the very least in its own ways. One of the years that has the reputation for having been great for cinema in general, and it shows at the academy awards.

2020 Nomadland
Yeah no. Seems like a bad year too because of the pandemic but haven't seen much. The Father would for sure have been a better pick.

2021 CODA
Haven't seen much and neither the winner, can't really judge. But this was a surprising winner and a relative safe pick. I think the more cinephile film in contention was The Power of the Dog but i haven't seen that one.

2022 EEAAO
Good pick but Banshees of Inisherin wouldve also been okay to win. Both were the 2 best nominees. But Aftersun was overlooked strongly in almost every category.
seen quite a bit of nominees from the 2010s but a bit behind schedule for 2020s, esp. 2020 and 2021.
but 2020 is a weird year for film
for some understandable reasons
though i've actually seen 3 of the 8 nominees by now


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 23, 2024, 03:33:15 PM
2010: The King's Speech
Many people consider this a steal, i can see why because it won over the much more popular Inception and Black Swan but these two are indeed not ones you would also have expected an Academy win. I'm sort of okay with this win but it should have been Black Swan.

"The Social Network" was the odds-on favourite that year, and should have won.

2018: Green Book
Not a great year for oscars when i check nominated. Most people consider this oscar bait (which is yes to some extent true). It's a bit sentimental. But i still also agree with the pick here, though i would've been fine with The Favourite as well. Everything else is a bit underwhelming and some films didn't deserve the nomination (Vice kuch). Didn't vibe with Roma too much but it would've been allright for me, would have been a more cinematic and daring winner than the easier Green Book.


If the Academy members wanted to send a message about racism then they should have voted "Black Klansman". But I guess they just wanted to pat themselves on the back and that's why they preferred a milquetoast film featuring another white saviour.

2019: Parasite
Great year, great winner, right pick as well, not much to say. Haven't seen Little Women and The Irishman but i liked every nominated here that i watched (1917, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, Ford v Ferrari, Jojo Rabbit, Joker, Marriage Story), no exceptions, sometimes with the expectation i wouldve not liked a certain film but every film is solid at the very least in its own ways. One of the years that has the reputation for having been great for cinema in general, and it shows at the academy awards.


It's not even a question, "Irishman" should have won. No other movie came close.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: buritobr on January 23, 2024, 03:34:46 PM
I though that since 10 films are noms for Best Picture, but only 5 are noms for Best Director, it's very hard for a film which isn't nom for Director to win the best for Picture. But I checked now in Wikipedia and I saw that it happened 3 times: Argo (2013), Green Book (2019), CODA (2022).
However, I still believe that the Best Picture winner of 2024 will be one which was nom for Best Director too.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 23, 2024, 03:37:10 PM
I though that since 10 films are noms for Best Picture, but only 5 are noms for Best Director, it's very hard for a film which isn't nom for Director to win the best for Picture. But I checked now in Wikipedia and I saw that it happened 3 times: Argo (2013), Green Book (2019), CODA (2022).
However, I still believe that the Best Picture winner of 2024 will be one which was nom for Best Director too.

CODA had just three nominations overall which is a record low for a Best Picture since the early 1930s.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: John Dule on January 23, 2024, 03:42:04 PM
I though that since 10 films are noms for Best Picture, but only 5 are noms for Best Director, it's very hard for a film which isn't nom for Director to win the best for Picture. But I checked now in Wikipedia and I saw that it happened 3 times: Argo (2013), Green Book (2019), CODA (2022).
However, I still believe that the Best Picture winner of 2024 will be one which was nom for Best Director too.

It's pretty clearly going to be Nolan/Oppenheimer. The Academy feels that it's "his turn," much like the DNC in 2016.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: buritobr on January 23, 2024, 03:46:08 PM
The problem with the Oscars isn't elitism, it's that they routinely go for the "safe," inoffensive, crowd-pleasing picks. Parasite, American Beauty, and Birdman are the rare recent exceptions when the Academy honored truly subversive, innovative art-- but aside from that, their pattern from the 90s through to today has been pretty consistent. It's either conventional crowd-pleasing period pieces like Titanic or The King's Speech; films with anodyne racial messages like 12 Years a Slave, Green Book, Dances With Wolves, or Moonlight; or just sickeningly feel-good tripe like Forrest Gump.

I'm long past the point of caring about what wins Best Picture, but if we're going to have these types of awards, they should honor boundary-pushing films that innovate with the medium and challenge audiences. The idea that this should be a coronation ceremony for whatever superhero movie the largest number of drooling neckbeards watched that year renders it completely pointless.

They go for the "safe," inoffensive, crowd-pleasing picks, but the awards are not going to big blockbusters anymore, like they used to between 1996 and 2004. After Braveheart, Titanic, Gladiator, Lord of the Rings 3, this kind of picture is not winning anymore.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: John Dule on January 23, 2024, 04:08:22 PM
The problem with the Oscars isn't elitism, it's that they routinely go for the "safe," inoffensive, crowd-pleasing picks. Parasite, American Beauty, and Birdman are the rare recent exceptions when the Academy honored truly subversive, innovative art-- but aside from that, their pattern from the 90s through to today has been pretty consistent. It's either conventional crowd-pleasing period pieces like Titanic or The King's Speech; films with anodyne racial messages like 12 Years a Slave, Green Book, Dances With Wolves, or Moonlight; or just sickeningly feel-good tripe like Forrest Gump.

I'm long past the point of caring about what wins Best Picture, but if we're going to have these types of awards, they should honor boundary-pushing films that innovate with the medium and challenge audiences. The idea that this should be a coronation ceremony for whatever superhero movie the largest number of drooling neckbeards watched that year renders it completely pointless.

They go for the "safe," inoffensive, crowd-pleasing picks, but the awards are not going to big blockbusters anymore, like they used to between 1996 and 2004. After Braveheart, Titanic, Gladiator, Lord of the Rings 3, this kind of picture is not winning anymore.

Because they don't exist anymore.

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Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: nicholas.slaydon on January 23, 2024, 04:41:26 PM
The problem with the Oscars isn't elitism, it's that they routinely go for the "safe," inoffensive, crowd-pleasing picks. Parasite, American Beauty, and Birdman are the rare recent exceptions when the Academy honored truly subversive, innovative art-- but aside from that, their pattern from the 90s through to today has been pretty consistent. It's either conventional crowd-pleasing period pieces like Titanic or The King's Speech; films with anodyne racial messages like 12 Years a Slave, Green Book, Dances With Wolves, or Moonlight; or just sickeningly feel-good tripe like Forrest Gump.

I'm long past the point of caring about what wins Best Picture, but if we're going to have these types of awards, they should honor boundary-pushing films that innovate with the medium and challenge audiences. The idea that this should be a coronation ceremony for whatever superhero movie the largest number of drooling neckbeards watched that year renders it completely pointless.

They go for the "safe," inoffensive, crowd-pleasing picks, but the awards are not going to big blockbusters anymore, like they used to between 1996 and 2004. After Braveheart, Titanic, Gladiator, Lord of the Rings 3, this kind of picture is not winning anymore.

You say that as if Oppenheimer isn't the overwhelming favorite to win Best Picture this year.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 23, 2024, 04:48:11 PM
The problem with the Oscars isn't elitism, it's that they routinely go for the "safe," inoffensive, crowd-pleasing picks. Parasite, American Beauty, and Birdman are the rare recent exceptions when the Academy honored truly subversive, innovative art-- but aside from that, their pattern from the 90s through to today has been pretty consistent. It's either conventional crowd-pleasing period pieces like Titanic or The King's Speech; films with anodyne racial messages like 12 Years a Slave, Green Book, Dances With Wolves, or Moonlight; or just sickeningly feel-good tripe like Forrest Gump.

I'm long past the point of caring about what wins Best Picture, but if we're going to have these types of awards, they should honor boundary-pushing films that innovate with the medium and challenge audiences. The idea that this should be a coronation ceremony for whatever superhero movie the largest number of drooling neckbeards watched that year renders it completely pointless.

They go for the "safe," inoffensive, crowd-pleasing picks, but the awards are not going to big blockbusters anymore, like they used to between 1996 and 2004. After Braveheart, Titanic, Gladiator, Lord of the Rings 3, this kind of picture is not winning anymore.

You say that as if Oppenheimer isn't the overwhelming favorite to win Best Picture this year.

Oppenheimer will be the first blockbuster to win since Return of the King, 20 years ago.
Two years ago CODA became the lowest grossing Oscar winner ever with just 1 million.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: buritobr on January 23, 2024, 05:10:34 PM
Oppenheimer is not targeted to so broad audiences like Braveheart, Titanic, Gladiator, Lord of the Rings 3


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: DaleCooper on January 23, 2024, 05:23:01 PM
Oppenheimer is not targeted to so broad audiences like Braveheart, Titanic, Gladiator, Lord of the Rings 3

Oppenheimer is way more accessible than Lord of the Rings was. Even my parents went to go see Oppenheimer.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Red Velvet on January 23, 2024, 05:24:46 PM
Yeah looking back at this list of winners up until 2010, the only winners I liked were Moonlight; Argo and obviously Parasite.

All others were meh for me or even stuff I disliked even though there were good movies running against them. Gravity for instance, is one of my favorite films.

Love, absolute masterpiece:
- Parasite

Like, pretty strong movies:
- Moonlight
- Argo

Okay, forgettable but enjoyable fluff:
- Shape of Water
- The Artist

Respect because it’s well made but Meeh it’s somewhat boring:
- 12 Years a Slave
- Nomadland

Dislike, forgettable and not enjoyable:
- The King’s Speech
- Spotlight

Hate, these make me angry watching:
- CODA
- Green Book
- EEAAO
- Birdman


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: DaleCooper on January 23, 2024, 05:28:01 PM
I don't want to be too kind to the Oscars, because there are a ton of problems and I really can't stand them most of the time, but I do think they deserve quite a bit of credit for never jumping on the superhero bandwagon. Obviously everyone is pretending to have always hated Marvel now, but for practically the entire 2010s they were trying to force everyone to acknowledge stuff like Avengers 2 as cinema. Endgame is the most powerful film ever, Black Panther is the most bold and important movie ever made, etc. Outside of a few nominations here and there, the Oscars resisted that. I would much rather nonsense like Coda and Green Book win than Marvel. For all their faults, they deserve the award more than something like Infinity War does.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on January 23, 2024, 05:49:00 PM
Ryan Gosling getting an acting nomination and not the woman who literally plays Barbie or the woman who made the damn film (for Best Director) goes completely against the overall subtext of that movie. What an Academy moment.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on January 23, 2024, 06:05:02 PM
About what I expected. 'Oppenheimer' will probably win everything. It made the most money and the most people saw it. Cillian Murphy getting best actor woud be earned though. If this ceremony is about "turns" he has been in the game long enough.

 I'm a little surprised at 'Maestro' getting so many nominations. I still think an Oscar is going yo elude Bradley Cooper once again though.

Ryan Gosling getting an acting nomination and not the woman who literally plays Barbie or the woman who made the damn film (for Best Director) goes completely against the overall subtext of that movie. What an Academy moment.

I agree, even if they didn't win those should have been layups.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Red Velvet on January 23, 2024, 06:27:06 PM
Ryan Gosling getting an acting nomination and not the woman who literally plays Barbie or the woman who made the damn film (for Best Director) goes completely against the overall subtext of that movie. What an Academy moment.

Ryan Gosling steals the show in terms of acting in Barbie though. He’s undeniably the MVP of that movie, so much that he could even WIN the Oscar if RDJ wasn’t the favorite for Oppenheimer.

America Ferrera nomination in Supporting Actress for Barbie is the funny one because she’s basically nominated for that one monologue scene only lol

Margot Robbie was fine but kinda overshadowed by Gosling. Didn’t help that the Main Barbie character basically had no personality and strong traits that defined her, she’s supposed to just be the average Barbie so that any women can identify with the message. Things happen to her, she’s mostly a reactive character. Ken as a character is way more fleshed out even if he’s the antagonist.

Now, the Greta Gerwig snub in Director is definitely unfair as it’s the main reason why movie was so good, but the category just happened to be too strong this year. Nolan is the future winner; Scorsese is Scorsese; Lanthimos movie is supposedly the main threat to Oppenheimer and the other two are the foreign ”High-Art” Prestige nominations that usually get at least one spot in Best Director.

This year “Zone of Interest” and “Anatomy of a Fall” - both raved Cannes films - over performed and took both Greta Gerwig and Alexander Payne out of Best Director instead of just one as expected.

I wonder if sympathy for Gerwig snub in Director can generate goodwill for her to Win Adapted Screenplay over Oppenheimer.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: buritobr on January 23, 2024, 07:32:23 PM
You can consider that ignoring Margot Robbie was not a good decision, that she acted better than one or more of the five nominees for best actrees, but I don't believe there was sexism. Every year, there are 5 noms for best actor, 5 noms for best actress, 5 noms for supporting actor, 5 noms for supporting actress. Margot Robbie didn't loose the nomination for a man.

The exclusion of Greta Gerwig, on the other hand, might be motivated by sexism, but we can be not sure.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 23, 2024, 07:40:32 PM
I don't want to be too kind to the Oscars, because there are a ton of problems and I really can't stand them most of the time, but I do think they deserve quite a bit of credit for never jumping on the superhero bandwagon. Obviously everyone is pretending to have always hated Marvel now, but for practically the entire 2010s they were trying to force everyone to acknowledge stuff like Avengers 2 as cinema. Endgame is the most powerful film ever, Black Panther is the most bold and important movie ever made, etc. Outside of a few nominations here and there, the Oscars resisted that. I would much rather nonsense like Coda and Green Book win than Marvel. For all their faults, they deserve the award more than something like Infinity War does.

I'm sure many people were spewing this same elitist nonsense back in 1977 about Star Wars.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: nicholas.slaydon on January 23, 2024, 07:52:32 PM
You can consider that ignoring Margot Robbie was not a good decision, that she acted better than one or more of the five nominees for best actrees, but I don't believe there was sexism. Every year, there are 5 noms for best actor, 5 noms for best actress, 5 noms for supporting actor, 5 noms for supporting actress. Margot Robbie didn't loose the nomination for a man.

The exclusion of Greta Gerwig, on the other hand, might be motivated by sexism, but we can be not sure.

It would seem strange to accuse the Directors Branch of sexism in this case as first off, Gerwig has been nominated before in the category for Lady Bird, and the branch nominated Justine Triet.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: nicholas.slaydon on January 23, 2024, 07:55:56 PM
I don't want to be too kind to the Oscars, because there are a ton of problems and I really can't stand them most of the time, but I do think they deserve quite a bit of credit for never jumping on the superhero bandwagon. Obviously everyone is pretending to have always hated Marvel now, but for practically the entire 2010s they were trying to force everyone to acknowledge stuff like Avengers 2 as cinema. Endgame is the most powerful film ever, Black Panther is the most bold and important movie ever made, etc. Outside of a few nominations here and there, the Oscars resisted that. I would much rather nonsense like Coda and Green Book win than Marvel. For all their faults, they deserve the award more than something like Infinity War does.

I'm sure many people were spewing this same elitist nonsense back in 1977 about Star Wars.

Except that Star Wars was nominated for a boat load of Oscars including Best Picture and Best Director, and won six awards (the most of that year). No Marvel movie could ever claim that (and for good reason).


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 23, 2024, 08:01:28 PM
I don't want to be too kind to the Oscars, because there are a ton of problems and I really can't stand them most of the time, but I do think they deserve quite a bit of credit for never jumping on the superhero bandwagon. Obviously everyone is pretending to have always hated Marvel now, but for practically the entire 2010s they were trying to force everyone to acknowledge stuff like Avengers 2 as cinema. Endgame is the most powerful film ever, Black Panther is the most bold and important movie ever made, etc. Outside of a few nominations here and there, the Oscars resisted that. I would much rather nonsense like Coda and Green Book win than Marvel. For all their faults, they deserve the award more than something like Infinity War does.

I'm sure many people were spewing this same elitist nonsense back in 1977 about Star Wars.

Except that Star Wars was nominated for a boat load of Oscars including Best Picture and Best Director, and won six awards (the most of that year). No Marvel movie could ever claim that (and for good reason).

Umm, Black Panther got seven nominations and three wins.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: buritobr on January 23, 2024, 09:16:53 PM
You can consider that ignoring Margot Robbie was not a good decision, that she acted better than one or more of the five nominees for best actrees, but I don't believe there was sexism. Every year, there are 5 noms for best actor, 5 noms for best actress, 5 noms for supporting actor, 5 noms for supporting actress. Margot Robbie didn't loose the nomination for a man.

The exclusion of Greta Gerwig, on the other hand, might be motivated by sexism, but we can be not sure.

It would seem strange to accuse the Directors Branch of sexism in this case as first off, Gerwig has been nominated before in the category for Lady Bird, and the branch nominated Justine Triet.

I don't think the Academy was sexist in excluding Greta Gerwig, I only think that this claim is less nonsense than the claim that excluding Margot Robbie was sexist.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: John Dule on January 23, 2024, 09:17:11 PM
I don't want to be too kind to the Oscars, because there are a ton of problems and I really can't stand them most of the time, but I do think they deserve quite a bit of credit for never jumping on the superhero bandwagon. Obviously everyone is pretending to have always hated Marvel now, but for practically the entire 2010s they were trying to force everyone to acknowledge stuff like Avengers 2 as cinema. Endgame is the most powerful film ever, Black Panther is the most bold and important movie ever made, etc. Outside of a few nominations here and there, the Oscars resisted that. I would much rather nonsense like Coda and Green Book win than Marvel. For all their faults, they deserve the award more than something like Infinity War does.

I'm sure many people were spewing this same elitist nonsense back in 1977 about Star Wars.

It's "elitist nonsense" to say that Avengers: Age of Ultron didn't deserve to win Best Picture? How dumbed-down do you think America is?


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Alben Barkley on January 23, 2024, 10:17:16 PM
I don't want to be too kind to the Oscars, because there are a ton of problems and I really can't stand them most of the time, but I do think they deserve quite a bit of credit for never jumping on the superhero bandwagon. Obviously everyone is pretending to have always hated Marvel now, but for practically the entire 2010s they were trying to force everyone to acknowledge stuff like Avengers 2 as cinema. Endgame is the most powerful film ever, Black Panther is the most bold and important movie ever made, etc. Outside of a few nominations here and there, the Oscars resisted that. I would much rather nonsense like Coda and Green Book win than Marvel. For all their faults, they deserve the award more than something like Infinity War does.

I'm sure many people were spewing this same elitist nonsense back in 1977 about Star Wars.

Star Wars was actually an incredibly groundbreaking and important film though, it really did change cinema forever and no one had seen anything like it before. It deserved to win over Woody Allen. But it did at least get nominated (back when there were fewer nominees too), and Alec Guinness was even nominated for Best Supporting Actor.

To pretend any Marvel movie is in the same league as Star Wars in 1977 is nonsense.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Alben Barkley on January 23, 2024, 10:19:29 PM
Ryan Gosling getting an acting nomination and not the woman who literally plays Barbie or the woman who made the damn film (for Best Director) goes completely against the overall subtext of that movie. What an Academy moment.

But the forgettable supporting actress got nominated for no reason?

It's not sexism, just typical Oscars weirdness. Doesn't even make sense to call it sexism; it's not like Gosling got nominated over Robbie in the same category, she lost to 5 other women.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Alben Barkley on January 23, 2024, 10:23:36 PM
The problem with the Oscars isn't elitism, it's that they routinely go for the "safe," inoffensive, crowd-pleasing picks. Parasite, American Beauty, and Birdman are the rare recent exceptions when the Academy honored truly subversive, innovative art-- but aside from that, their pattern from the 90s through to today has been pretty consistent. It's either conventional crowd-pleasing period pieces like Titanic or The King's Speech; films with anodyne racial messages like 12 Years a Slave, Green Book, Dances With Wolves, or Moonlight; or just sickeningly feel-good tripe like Forrest Gump.

I'm long past the point of caring about what wins Best Picture, but if we're going to have these types of awards, they should honor boundary-pushing films that innovate with the medium and challenge audiences. The idea that this should be a coronation ceremony for whatever superhero movie the largest number of drooling neckbeards watched that year renders it completely pointless.

I'm gonna have to completely disagree that American Beauty is better than something like Forrest Gump, regardless of how "feel-good" or "crowd-pleasing" the latter is or how "subversive" the former is. The idea that something is good because it's "subversive" is the same argument Last Jedi apologists use. I do agree that groundbreaking films should be recognized, but honestly American Beauty is just pretentious IMO, not actually groundbreaking. TBH I put it only slightly above the likes of Crash, another film that beats you over the head with its obvious message and is like "See how clever we are?" the whole time. A more well-made if more conventional film, especially one that actually makes you feel something, is preferable to me.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on January 23, 2024, 11:31:47 PM
The Dark Knight was obviously robbed with no Best Picture nomination, but otherwise the fact that the Oscars don't give such noms to superhero movies is totally fine, and definitely true in regards to Marvel movies.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on January 23, 2024, 11:42:52 PM
Also interestingly the only Best Picture noms I've seen are Barbenheimer and The Holdovers. Although I would've seen Killers of the Flower Moon if it wasn't 3 1/2 hours long.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 24, 2024, 01:19:40 AM
Star Wars was actually an incredibly groundbreaking and important film though, it really did change cinema forever and no one had seen anything like it before. It deserved to win over Woody Allen. But it did at least get nominated (back when there were fewer nominees too), and Alec Guinness was even nominated for Best Supporting Actor.

To pretend any Marvel movie is in the same league as Star Wars in 1977 is nonsense.

That's what YOU say NOW. Back then there were many people sneering that it was a kids movie which had no place in a serious competition like the Academy Awards.

Anyway, I believe than in 2018 both Infinity War and Spiderverse were much better films than Bohemian Rhapsody and eventual winner Green Book.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Sestak on January 24, 2024, 01:57:56 AM
Can we seriously stop clogging this thread with this dumb argument? We have just had a dozen or so films get a decent haul of nominations - and most of them are excellent! Let's celebrate them.

Will start with this one - with her nomination for Killers of the Flower Moon, Thelma Schoonmaker is now the most nominated editor in Oscars history, having been named nine times. She's also tied for the most wins at three.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on January 24, 2024, 09:34:20 AM
Ryan Gosling getting an acting nomination and not the woman who literally plays Barbie or the woman who made the damn film (for Best Director) goes completely against the overall subtext of that movie. What an Academy moment.

But the forgettable supporting actress got nominated for no reason?

It's not sexism, just typical Oscars weirdness. Doesn't even make sense to call it sexism; it's not like Gosling got nominated over Robbie in the same category, she lost to 5 other women.

Didn’t say it was a sexist move, but it was definitely tone deaf.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: John Dule on January 24, 2024, 10:35:49 AM
I'm gonna have to completely disagree that American Beauty is better than something like Forrest Gump, regardless of how "feel-good" or "crowd-pleasing" the latter is or how "subversive" the former is. The idea that something is good because it's "subversive" is the same argument Last Jedi apologists use. I do agree that groundbreaking films should be recognized, but honestly American Beauty is just pretentious IMO, not actually groundbreaking. TBH I put it only slightly above the likes of Crash, another film that beats you over the head with its obvious message and is like "See how clever we are?" the whole time. A more well-made if more conventional film, especially one that actually makes you feel something, is preferable to me.

American Beauty isn't good because it's "subversive," it's good because the writing and acting are both incredible. Its unconventional approach is just what elevates it above other, more traditionally structured films. Maybe it's pretentious by the standards of the mainstream drivel typically honored by the Academy, but it's hardly experimental or avant-garde.

It's certainly better than Forrest Gump, which is just tame crowd-pleasing trash. That movie is the equivalent of Marvel fan service but for the latter half of the 20th Century.


That's what YOU say NOW. Back then there were many people sneering that it was a kids movie which had no place in a serious competition like the Academy Awards.

It's not an opinion, it's a fact. The original Star Wars did things with special effects that had literally never been seen before on screen. In contrast, there are five Marvel movies every year, none of which do anything new with storytelling, structure, or visual effects. What exactly stands out about something like Infinity War that deserves Best Picture over the other CGI slop that comes out every year? We might as well give awards to Kong: Skull Island and Pacific Rim at that point.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: 🦀🎂🦀🎂 on January 24, 2024, 12:40:53 PM
Does it annoy anybody else that this thread is a megathread? Im sure making one thread every year won't be too overbearing on the site.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: 🦀🎂🦀🎂 on January 24, 2024, 12:55:52 PM
 the reason why the Oscars resisted the MCU were twofold: 1) the oscars prefer self-contained movies rather than being part of some broad narrative dictated by a studio and 2) the sheer quantity of them.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: John Dule on January 24, 2024, 12:59:10 PM

What exactly do you take issue with? It's completely true that the first Star Wars movie innovated more with visual effects technology than the Avengers movies, which just used tech that already existed. If you have a counterargument, make it.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: fhtagn on January 24, 2024, 01:06:07 PM
Also interestingly the only Best Picture noms I've seen are Barbenheimer and The Holdovers. Although I would've seen Killers of the Flower Moon if it wasn't 3 1/2 hours long.

Killers of the Flower Moon is definitely worth a watch if you ever find the opportunity.

Though I will admit it could have easily been shortened and still have been equally as good (with with Oppenheimer).


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 24, 2024, 01:11:14 PM

What exactly do you take issue with? It's completely true that the first Star Wars movie innovated more with visual effects technology than the Avengers movies, which just used tech that already existed. If you have a counterargument, make it.

No kid, Star Wars didn't "revolutionize" and "innovate" visual effects technology. Lucas just perfected the work done by a REAL visionary: Stanley Kubrick in 2001.
Better luck next time.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: John Dule on January 24, 2024, 01:41:12 PM

What exactly do you take issue with? It's completely true that the first Star Wars movie innovated more with visual effects technology than the Avengers movies, which just used tech that already existed. If you have a counterargument, make it.

No kid, Star Wars didn't "revolutionize" and "innovate" visual effects technology. Lucas just perfected the work done by a REAL visionary: Stanley Kubrick in 2001.
Better luck next time.

Well yeah— he built on prior tech, but he also did new things. ILM literally had to invent a new type of camera to achieve the photography of the sets and models they built. Again, what did the Marvel movies do to set them apart from other CGI extravaganzas? When all the action is just rendered digitally with decade-old tech, there’s nothing impressive about it anymore.

This all overlooks the fact that we should not be awarding Best Picture to whatever movie was most technologically proficient, but that’s a different argument.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: T'Chenka on January 24, 2024, 01:51:20 PM


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: John Dule on January 24, 2024, 01:54:33 PM


Revolting. This woman must answer for what happened at Kenghazi.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 24, 2024, 02:03:13 PM
the reason why the Oscars resisted the MCU were twofold: 1) the oscars prefer self-contained movies rather than being part of some broad narrative dictated by a studio and 2) the sheer quantity of them.

The Oscars resist comic book movies in general (let's not pretend the Dark Knight's snub didn't happen) for the same reason they resist westerns, thrillers, horror, comedies, sci-fi, action, fantasy, animation, etc.
Because Academy members consider genre movies to be beneath them and unworthy of such lofty recognition.

Sure, there will be the occasional Silence of the Lambs, Dances with Wolves, or Lord of the Rings.
But they are the exception that proves the rule.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: dead0man on January 24, 2024, 02:16:55 PM
recreational outrage over Oscar noms?  that's a relief, many were worried that we were in the wrong timeline


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: nicholas.slaydon on January 24, 2024, 04:12:37 PM
the reason why the Oscars resisted the MCU were twofold: 1) the oscars prefer self-contained movies rather than being part of some broad narrative dictated by a studio and 2) the sheer quantity of them.

The Oscars resist comic book movies in general (let's not pretend the Dark Knight's snub didn't happen) for the same reason they resist westerns, thrillers, horror, comedies, sci-fi, action, fantasy, animation, etc.
Because Academy members consider genre movies to be beneath them and unworthy of such lofty recognition.

Sure, there will be the occasional Silence of the Lambs, Dances with Wolves, or Lord of the Rings.
But they are the exception that proves the rule.

You say that the Academy resists genre films as if Everything, Everywhere, All at Once didn't sweep the Oscars last year as a comedic Sci-fi film. Likewise genre action films like Top Gun: Maverick were nominated last year, along with a sci-fi fantasy like Avatar: The Way of Water. To be frank there are simply not enough westerns being made to have them nominated frequently, but True Grit (2010) and The Revenant were both nominated for a slew of awards. Likewise, Get Out was nominated in 2017 for both Best Picture and Best Director. Genre films get nominated every single year, that doesn't mean they win every year, but then again the Academy isn't a hive mind, but rather over 10,000 individuals who I do think in general cast their votes for who and what they consider to be the best in each category.



Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 24, 2024, 06:33:42 PM
the reason why the Oscars resisted the MCU were twofold: 1) the oscars prefer self-contained movies rather than being part of some broad narrative dictated by a studio and 2) the sheer quantity of them.

The Oscars resist comic book movies in general (let's not pretend the Dark Knight's snub didn't happen) for the same reason they resist westerns, thrillers, horror, comedies, sci-fi, action, fantasy, animation, etc.
Because Academy members consider genre movies to be beneath them and unworthy of such lofty recognition.

Sure, there will be the occasional Silence of the Lambs, Dances with Wolves, or Lord of the Rings.
But they are the exception that proves the rule.

You say that the Academy resists genre films as if Everything, Everywhere, All at Once didn't sweep the Oscars last year as a comedic Sci-fi film. Likewise genre action films like Top Gun: Maverick were nominated last year, along with a sci-fi fantasy like Avatar: The Way of Water. To be frank there are simply not enough westerns being made to have them nominated frequently, but True Grit (2010) and The Revenant were both nominated for a slew of awards. Likewise, Get Out was nominated in 2017 for both Best Picture and Best Director. Genre films get nominated every single year, that doesn't mean they win every year, but then again the Academy isn't a hive mind, but rather over 10,000 individuals who I do think in general cast their votes for who and what they consider to be the best in each category.



This entire post is the apotheosis of naivete. But don't worry kids. That's what many of us believed when we were your age but thankfully it took us only about a decade or so to knock the Oscars (which have an almost 100 years history, they weren't established yesterday) from their pedestal.

BTW, don't give me that crap about Academy members. I've read enough anonymous interviews to understand that most of them are a bunch of self-conceited blowhards whose voting criteria are anything but the artistic value of the movies nominated.
Here is what a prominent online critic told me last week: "About 20 years ago, I remember reading comments from a voting member who admitted to never seeing any of the nominated films and basing his vote on which studio treated him better and sent him better swag. In the same article, another person said he voted for his friends regardless of how good a film might be. As to whether this is more prevalent than the Academy might like to believe...how else to explain "Shakespeare in Love?"
 


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: GoTfan on January 24, 2024, 06:36:14 PM
recreational outrage over Oscar noms?  that's a relief, many were worried that we were in the wrong timeline

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree with this take.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: John Dule on January 24, 2024, 07:16:51 PM
the reason why the Oscars resisted the MCU were twofold: 1) the oscars prefer self-contained movies rather than being part of some broad narrative dictated by a studio and 2) the sheer quantity of them.

The Oscars resist comic book movies in general (let's not pretend the Dark Knight's snub didn't happen) for the same reason they resist westerns, thrillers, horror, comedies, sci-fi, action, fantasy, animation, etc.
Because Academy members consider genre movies to be beneath them and unworthy of such lofty recognition.

Sure, there will be the occasional Silence of the Lambs, Dances with Wolves, or Lord of the Rings.
But they are the exception that proves the rule.

You say that the Academy resists genre films as if Everything, Everywhere, All at Once didn't sweep the Oscars last year as a comedic Sci-fi film. Likewise genre action films like Top Gun: Maverick were nominated last year, along with a sci-fi fantasy like Avatar: The Way of Water. To be frank there are simply not enough westerns being made to have them nominated frequently, but True Grit (2010) and The Revenant were both nominated for a slew of awards. Likewise, Get Out was nominated in 2017 for both Best Picture and Best Director. Genre films get nominated every single year, that doesn't mean they win every year, but then again the Academy isn't a hive mind, but rather over 10,000 individuals who I do think in general cast their votes for who and what they consider to be the best in each category.



This entire post is the apotheosis of naivete. But don't worry kids. That's what many of us believed when we were your age but thankfully it took us only about a decade or so to knock the Oscars (which have an almost 100 years history, they weren't established yesterday) from their pedestal.

BTW, don't give me that crap about Academy members. I've read enough anonymous interviews to understand that most of them are a bunch of self-conceited blowhards whose voting criteria are anything but the artistic value of the movies nominated.
Here is what a prominent online critic told me last week: "About 20 years ago, I remember reading comments from a voting member who admitted to never seeing any of the nominated films and basing his vote on which studio treated him better and sent him better swag. In the same article, another person said he voted for his friends regardless of how good a film might be. As to whether this is more prevalent than the Academy might like to believe...how else to explain "Shakespeare in Love?"
 

Disney can afford the best swag bags in the business, so it's hard to see how Marvel would be at a disadvantage if that were the problem. They already hand out goodies, toys, and pre-screening tickets to YouTube "critics" to generate buzz, and to tremendous success. Could it be that... the Avengers movies are just bad?


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: John Dule on January 24, 2024, 07:30:34 PM
Disney can afford the best swag bags in the business, so it's hard to see how Marvel would be at a disadvantage if that were the problem. They already hand out goodies, toys, and pre-screening tickets to YouTube "critics" to generate buzz, and to tremendous success. Could it be that... the Avengers movies are just bad?

You are so obsessed with your Marvel hate-boner that you're unable to get any point I'm trying to make for two pages now.
Take a cold shower and come back.

I'm just trying to get you to carry on the conversation you started. You haven't replied to a single point I've made.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 24, 2024, 07:40:22 PM
Disney can afford the best swag bags in the business, so it's hard to see how Marvel would be at a disadvantage if that were the problem. They already hand out goodies, toys, and pre-screening tickets to YouTube "critics" to generate buzz, and to tremendous success. Could it be that... the Avengers movies are just bad?

You are so obsessed with your Marvel hate-boner that you're unable to get any point I'm trying to make for two pages now.
Take a cold shower and come back.

I'm just trying to get you to carry on the conversation you started. You haven't replied to a single point I've made.

Trying to pass your opinion for fact isn't making a point.
The Avengers movies got great reviews and grossed billions of dollars. That's not what bad movies do.
You don't like them? Fine. There are after all people who think the Godfather and Citizen Kane are crap.
But don't try to argue that your opinion is the right one and everyone else's is wrong.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: GoTfan on January 24, 2024, 07:42:13 PM
Disney can afford the best swag bags in the business, so it's hard to see how Marvel would be at a disadvantage if that were the problem. They already hand out goodies, toys, and pre-screening tickets to YouTube "critics" to generate buzz, and to tremendous success. Could it be that... the Avengers movies are just bad?

You are so obsessed with your Marvel hate-boner that you're unable to get any point I'm trying to make for two pages now.
Take a cold shower and come back.

I'm just trying to get you to carry on the conversation you started. You haven't replied to a single point I've made.

Trying to pass your opinion for fact isn't making a point.
The Avengers movies got great reviews and grossed billions of dollars. That's not what bad movies do.
You don't like them? Fine. There are after all people who think the Godfather and Citizen Kane are crap.
But don't try to argue that your opinion is the right one and everyone else's is wrong. This is just obnoxious and shows what an entitled brat you are.

How about both of you cool off and let people enjoy what they enjoy without feeling the need to belittle them for it?


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 24, 2024, 07:46:19 PM

How about both of you cool off and let people enjoy what they enjoy without feeling the need to belittle them for it?

Cut the both sides BS.
Show me where I belittled anybody's opinion.
It's other people who declare holy war when someone doesn't accept their opinion as the gospel of truth.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: John Dule on January 24, 2024, 07:47:12 PM
Disney can afford the best swag bags in the business, so it's hard to see how Marvel would be at a disadvantage if that were the problem. They already hand out goodies, toys, and pre-screening tickets to YouTube "critics" to generate buzz, and to tremendous success. Could it be that... the Avengers movies are just bad?

You are so obsessed with your Marvel hate-boner that you're unable to get any point I'm trying to make for two pages now.
Take a cold shower and come back.

I'm just trying to get you to carry on the conversation you started. You haven't replied to a single point I've made.

Trying to pass your opinion for fact isn't making a point.
The Avengers movies got great reviews and grossed billions of dollars. That's not what bad movies do.
You don't like them? Fine. There are after all people who think the Godfather and Citizen Kane are crap.
But don't try to argue that your opinion is the right one and everyone else's is wrong. This is just obnoxious and shows what an entitled brat you are.

I didn’t say they were objectively bad. I said they objectively didn’t innovate with film technology as much as the original Star Wars did, which is completely true.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: GoTfan on January 24, 2024, 07:52:17 PM

How about both of you cool off and let people enjoy what they enjoy without feeling the need to belittle them for it?

Cut the both sides BS.
Show me where I belittled anybody's opinion.
It's other people who declare holy war when someone doesn't accept their opinion as the gospel of truth.

And you're equally quick to snap back, which just shut the argument down.

How is anyone's life on here impacted by liking a movie you don't like? How is anyone's life on here impacted by not liking a movie you like?

Both of you just cool off. Neither of your lives are impacted by it, and I can assure you, neither are anyone else's.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 24, 2024, 07:52:48 PM

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Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: John Dule on January 24, 2024, 08:09:46 PM

How about both of you cool off and let people enjoy what they enjoy without feeling the need to belittle them for it?

Cut the both sides BS.
Show me where I belittled anybody's opinion.
It's other people who declare holy war when someone doesn't accept their opinion as the gospel of truth.

And you're equally quick to snap back, which just shut the argument down.

How is anyone's life on here impacted by liking a movie you don't like? How is anyone's life on here impacted by not liking a movie you like?

Both of you just cool off. Neither of your lives are impacted by it, and I can assure you, neither are anyone else's.

Who said it's impacting anyone's lives? I like arguing about movies and giving my opinions on them. I'm trying to start a conversation with this Greek geek about the different technology used in Star Wars versus the Avengers movies because it's a subject that interests me. It's hardly my fault if he takes everything I say as a personal attack.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 24, 2024, 08:23:36 PM

How about both of you cool off and let people enjoy what they enjoy without feeling the need to belittle them for it?

Cut the both sides BS.
Show me where I belittled anybody's opinion.
It's other people who declare holy war when someone doesn't accept their opinion as the gospel of truth.

And you're equally quick to snap back, which just shut the argument down.

How is anyone's life on here impacted by liking a movie you don't like? How is anyone's life on here impacted by not liking a movie you like?

Both of you just cool off. Neither of your lives are impacted by it, and I can assure you, neither are anyone else's.

Yeah, this is a thread about first world problems.
Boo effing hoo.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: GoTfan on January 24, 2024, 08:24:29 PM

How about both of you cool off and let people enjoy what they enjoy without feeling the need to belittle them for it?

Cut the both sides BS.
Show me where I belittled anybody's opinion.
It's other people who declare holy war when someone doesn't accept their opinion as the gospel of truth.

And you're equally quick to snap back, which just shut the argument down.

How is anyone's life on here impacted by liking a movie you don't like? How is anyone's life on here impacted by not liking a movie you like?

Both of you just cool off. Neither of your lives are impacted by it, and I can assure you, neither are anyone else's.

Who said it's impacting anyone's lives? I like arguing about movies and giving my opinions on them. I'm trying to start a conversation with this Greek geek about the different technology used in Star Wars versus the Avengers movies because it's a subject that interests me. It's hardly my fault if he takes everything I say as a personal attack.

In between slagging off fans of the Marvel movies as less intelligent.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: John Dule on January 24, 2024, 08:32:13 PM

How about both of you cool off and let people enjoy what they enjoy without feeling the need to belittle them for it?

Cut the both sides BS.
Show me where I belittled anybody's opinion.
It's other people who declare holy war when someone doesn't accept their opinion as the gospel of truth.

And you're equally quick to snap back, which just shut the argument down.

How is anyone's life on here impacted by liking a movie you don't like? How is anyone's life on here impacted by not liking a movie you like?

Both of you just cool off. Neither of your lives are impacted by it, and I can assure you, neither are anyone else's.

Who said it's impacting anyone's lives? I like arguing about movies and giving my opinions on them. I'm trying to start a conversation with this Greek geek about the different technology used in Star Wars versus the Avengers movies because it's a subject that interests me. It's hardly my fault if he takes everything I say as a personal attack.

In between slagging off fans of the Marvel movies as less intelligent.

Gee, you're right-- I take it back. Marvel fans are actually smarter than the people who vote in the Oscars. No clue where I got that idea from.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: GoTfan on January 24, 2024, 10:17:55 PM

How about both of you cool off and let people enjoy what they enjoy without feeling the need to belittle them for it?

Cut the both sides BS.
Show me where I belittled anybody's opinion.
It's other people who declare holy war when someone doesn't accept their opinion as the gospel of truth.

And you're equally quick to snap back, which just shut the argument down.

How is anyone's life on here impacted by liking a movie you don't like? How is anyone's life on here impacted by not liking a movie you like?

Both of you just cool off. Neither of your lives are impacted by it, and I can assure you, neither are anyone else's.

Who said it's impacting anyone's lives? I like arguing about movies and giving my opinions on them. I'm trying to start a conversation with this Greek geek about the different technology used in Star Wars versus the Avengers movies because it's a subject that interests me. It's hardly my fault if he takes everything I say as a personal attack.

In between slagging off fans of the Marvel movies as less intelligent.

Gee, you're right-- I take it back. Marvel fans are actually smarter than the people who vote in the Oscars. No clue where I got that idea from.

Point to where I said that. I can be fan of the franchise and still acknowledge the issue without being angry at people for disagreeing with me.

Both you and Lyndon are responsible here. Yes, he is way too quick to jump down people's throats for disagreeing with him, but I don't thing being passive-aggressive and then playing innocent is really helpful either.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: OSR stands with Israel on January 25, 2024, 02:58:01 AM
I don't want to be too kind to the Oscars, because there are a ton of problems and I really can't stand them most of the time, but I do think they deserve quite a bit of credit for never jumping on the superhero bandwagon. Obviously everyone is pretending to have always hated Marvel now, but for practically the entire 2010s they were trying to force everyone to acknowledge stuff like Avengers 2 as cinema. Endgame is the most powerful film ever, Black Panther is the most bold and important movie ever made, etc. Outside of a few nominations here and there, the Oscars resisted that. I would much rather nonsense like Coda and Green Book win than Marvel. For all their faults, they deserve the award more than something like Infinity War does.

I would say it was more during Phase 3 of the MCU where this was true. Phase 1 really didnt start to take off in hype and popularity until the First Avengers Movie and then after during Phase 2 the numbers started to level off again until Avengers: Age of Ultron. It was only with Phase 3 where the MCU Hype really became all consuming and started to utterly dominate the box office.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/charted-marvel-box-office/

As you can see this is how much movies in each phase grossed over a billion:

Phase 1: 1 which was the Avengers
Phase 2: 2 which other than the Avengers: Age of Ultron was Iron Man 3
Phrase 3: 5 and they include the only movies in the franchise to gross over 2 billion(Infinity War and Engame)
Since Then: 2 which were both Spider-Man Movies




Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on January 25, 2024, 09:34:00 AM
I'm going to throw in a name that will cause a lot of WTF reactions, but Landslide Lyndon gets vastly more hate than he deserves. The reasons are similar to those listed above regarding ferguson, which I also agree with. LL calls right Wingers out on bs, and because they produce so much BS it happens a lot.

Maybe it happens on different threads then usgd or Atlas community and off topic where I spend the vast majority of my time, but I just don't see the supposed plethora of personal attacks he's accused of.
Badger, please explain how this is simply "calling right wingers out on BS" here.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on January 25, 2024, 09:40:03 AM
Disney can afford the best swag bags in the business, so it's hard to see how Marvel would be at a disadvantage if that were the problem. They already hand out goodies, toys, and pre-screening tickets to YouTube "critics" to generate buzz, and to tremendous success. Could it be that... the Avengers movies are just bad?

You are so obsessed with your Marvel hate-boner that you're unable to get any point I'm trying to make for two pages now.
Take a cold shower and come back.

I'm just trying to get you to carry on the conversation you started. You haven't replied to a single point I've made.

Trying to pass your opinion for fact isn't making a point.
The Avengers movies got great reviews and grossed billions of dollars. That's not what bad movies do.
You don't like them? Fine. There are after all people who think the Godfather and Citizen Kane are crap.
But don't try to argue that your opinion is the right one and everyone else's is wrong. This is just obnoxious and shows what an entitled brat you are.
By this standard Baby Shark is the best song ever recorded.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 25, 2024, 10:45:21 AM
By this standard Baby Shark is the best song ever recorded.

For some people it may well be and they are entitled to their opinion.
It's not my job to yuck on anyone's yum.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on January 25, 2024, 10:58:57 AM
While Robbie and Gerwig were arguably shafted, just resorting to that as "sexism" is a pretty lazy and unproductive take.

The Best Actress category is all women, so it's pretty much impossible to be shafted from it due to sexism.

Gerwig has already been nominated for Best Director (and for a more deserving film too), so there's clearly not some blacklisting of female directors. And she still got a nomination for Best Adapted Screenplay (which she has received previously as well.)


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: kyc0705 on January 25, 2024, 11:03:19 AM

Oppenheimer will be the first blockbuster to win since Return of the King, 20 years ago.
Two years ago CODA became the lowest grossing Oscar winner ever with just 1 million.

To be fair, CODA was a streaming exclusive.

On the other hand, we know what becomes (or more correctly, doesn't become) of most streaming exclusives in terms of people discussing them or even seeing them to begin with.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 25, 2024, 11:20:51 AM

Oppenheimer will be the first blockbuster to win since Return of the King, 20 years ago.
Two years ago CODA became the lowest grossing Oscar winner ever with just 1 million.

To be fair, CODA was a streaming exclusive.

On the other hand, we know what becomes (or more correctly, doesn't become) of most streaming exclusives in terms of people discussing them or even seeing them to begin with.

Even for a streaming movie, CODA was pretty obscure. In Greece it became the first best picture winner since WW2 that wasn't released theatrically and the sad thing is that this wasn't even news. 


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on January 25, 2024, 01:31:58 PM
Everyone's opinion on art is subjective, but if all you have to contribute to a discussion is the equivalent "well, you know, it's just like, your opinion, man" in response to someone who's making substantive arguments to back up their preferences, at least the latter person is being subjective in an interesting way.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: John Dule on January 25, 2024, 01:56:35 PM
Everyone's opinion on art is subjective, but if all you have to contribute to a discussion is the equivalent "well, you know, it's just like, your opinion, man" in response to someone who's making substantive arguments to back up their preferences, at least the latter person is being subjective in an interesting way.

And the fact that art’s quality is subjective doesn’t mean we can’t make objective statements about other aspects of it. Star Wars’ tech objectively advanced movie technology more than 99.9% of other films. We can quibble about the specifics, but it’s wrong to act like the word “objective” has no place in analyzing such things.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 25, 2024, 02:11:22 PM
Sigh.




Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: John Dule on January 25, 2024, 03:25:29 PM

I’m not watching that. Use your own words.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 25, 2024, 03:29:21 PM

Is nine minutes too long for your attention span?


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: dead0man on January 25, 2024, 03:39:42 PM
he's getting worse at this, which is amazing


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: John Dule on January 25, 2024, 03:43:43 PM

Is nine minutes too long for your attention span?

If the argument is worth making, you should make it yourself. Don't just substitute other people's analysis for your own.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 25, 2024, 03:55:06 PM

Is nine minutes too long for your attention span?

If the argument is worth making, you should make it yourself. Don't just substitute other people's analysis for your own.

I admit that's a cop-out I haven't seen until now.
Kudos kid for keeping things interesting.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: John Dule on January 25, 2024, 04:04:21 PM

Is nine minutes too long for your attention span?

If the argument is worth making, you should make it yourself. Don't just substitute other people's analysis for your own.

I admit that's a cop-out I haven't seen until now.
Kudos kid for keeping things interesting.

Are you capable of having a conversation with another human being? I've been trying to get you to explain your perspective for two pages of this thread. This does not have to be a hostile interaction if you don't insist on making it one.

I watched the first few minutes of that video, but the guy is only talking about subjectivity of the quality of movies. That's unrelated to what I'm talking about, so I'm asking you again to respond specifically to what I said instead of posting a generic reply video someone else made that doesn't even address the subject of this discussion. Is there a language barrier here I'm not understanding?


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on January 25, 2024, 04:25:25 PM

Is nine minutes too long for your attention span?

If the argument is worth making, you should make it yourself. Don't just substitute other people's analysis for your own.

I admit that's a cop-out I haven't seen until now.
Kudos kid for keeping things interesting.

Are you capable of having a conversation with another human being? I've been trying to get you to explain your perspective for two pages of this thread. This does not have to be a hostile interaction if you don't insist on making it one.

I watched the first few minutes of that video, but the guy is only talking about subjectivity of the quality of movies. That's unrelated to what I'm talking about, so I'm asking you again to respond specifically to what I said instead of posting a generic reply video someone else made that doesn't even address the subject of this discussion. Is there a language barrier here I'm not understanding?
See this is why I don't understand the knee-jerk rallying around and defense of LL. Even if you don't care about how one-sided and shallow his political commentary is (most of his new threads and commentary could be accurately replicated by a bot that scrapes liberal formerly Twitter accounts), because you're such a hack you only care about the ideological orientation, he's still extremely unpleasant to deal with when discussing things that aren't even political at all like this, and one of only two posters I've noticed who has a tendency to actually alienate people in those threads who take the same position as him.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: John Dule on January 25, 2024, 04:36:18 PM

Is nine minutes too long for your attention span?

If the argument is worth making, you should make it yourself. Don't just substitute other people's analysis for your own.

I admit that's a cop-out I haven't seen until now.
Kudos kid for keeping things interesting.

Are you capable of having a conversation with another human being? I've been trying to get you to explain your perspective for two pages of this thread. This does not have to be a hostile interaction if you don't insist on making it one.

I watched the first few minutes of that video, but the guy is only talking about subjectivity of the quality of movies. That's unrelated to what I'm talking about, so I'm asking you again to respond specifically to what I said instead of posting a generic reply video someone else made that doesn't even address the subject of this discussion. Is there a language barrier here I'm not understanding?
See this is why I don't understand the knee-jerk rallying around and defense of LL. Even if you don't care about how one-sided and shallow his political commentary is (most of his new threads and commentary could be accurately replicated by a bot that scrapes liberal formerly Twitter accounts), because you're such a hack you only care about the ideological orientation, he's still extremely unpleasant to deal with when discussing things that aren't even political at all like this, and one of only two posters I've noticed who has a tendency to actually alienate people in those threads who take the same position as him.

The explanation is pretty simple: Those who like him haven't paid enough attention to him to realize how awful he is.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Comrade Funk on January 25, 2024, 05:57:20 PM
Greta Gerwig is one of my idols and I love her work. That being said, the backlash against her and Margot not being nominated is really dumb. Barbie is far from her best work imo, but even so...this is a pretty strong year overall and trashing films that weren't as successful says more about the people whining than the Academy.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on January 25, 2024, 10:30:05 PM
I'm not one to mindlessly parrot classy-person conventional wisdom about what are and aren't good movies; I think there are serious arguments to be made in defense of movies like Shock Treatment and Showgirls. But I'm not going to loudly and unpleasantly insist that awards shows need to acknowledge these movies (lol. lmao, even), and I'm certainly not going to stick up for focus-grouped-to-hell-and-back hyper-blockbusters as if the people who made Avengers Wars 69 are suffering for not having won Best Adapted Screenplay.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: 🦀🎂🦀🎂 on January 30, 2024, 07:04:16 AM
Of the nominees I've seen:

1) Oppenheimer (not a nolan superfan, but it genuinely worked for me)
2) Zone of Interest (never want to watch it again, but very chilling
3) Past Lives
4) Poor Things (although ruffalo is the best performance of the year)
5) Barbie
6) flower moon

Will probably watch Anatomy of a Fall, Holdovers and American fiction. I can't see why I'd watch maestro though.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: Red Velvet on January 30, 2024, 07:53:50 AM
Of the Best Picture lineup I’ve seen 7 out of 10 but in the next three weeks I will watch two more. My current ranking goes like this:

1) Anatomy of a Fall
2) The Holdovers
3) Killers of the Flower Moon
4) Barbie
5) Past Lives
6) Oppenheimer
7) Maestro

Poor Things premieres this next Thursday in Brazil and Zone of Interest in February 15th so I’ll update this list soon.

There’s no release date so far for American Fiction that I’m aware of.

Of the 7 I’ve watched, only Anatomy of a Fall is an all-time masterpiece. But The Holdovers and also the Scorsese film are still very great films that will be quite memorable for me, coming close to it!

Barbie will also be memorable but not just because of the film quality but also because of the whole cultural phenomenon that it was.

Past Lives is a good movie with interesting concept that loses itself in the end IMO and becomes way too manipulative.

Oppenheimer I appreciate the tech aspects but dislike it as a movie.

Maestro is just too bland to even hate on. It’s the “also there” movie that people even forget is amongst the contenders. But I guess it’s nice to have a film in there to cater to the older crowd that gets excited about that kind of film?

Very good line up overall, one of the strongest in years and also very balanced! I’ve been hearing good stuff about the two movies I’m watching next, so it will consolidate it as one of the best I’ve seen.

Just having Anatomy of a Fall in there elevates it to a much higher level than the average year.


Title: Re: Oscar noms - Tuesday 8:30AM EST (film & awards)
Post by: T'Chenka on January 30, 2024, 10:51:05 AM
Having now seen The Zone Of Interest, it's mind-blowing that they gave it an Adapted Screenplay nomination instead of Killers Of The Flower Moon. It's an art-house film thin on plot.


Title: Re: BAFTA Feb 18th, Oscars Mar 10th (film & awards)
Post by: nicholas.slaydon on March 10, 2024, 12:41:21 PM
Academy Award Predictions:

Best Picture:
Oppenheimer

Best Director:
Christopher Nolan

Best Actress:
Lily Gladstone

Best Actor:
Cillian Murphy

Best Supporting Actress:
Da'Vine Joy Randolph

Best Supporting Actor:
Robert Downey Jr.

Best Adapted Screenplay:
American Fiction

Best Original Screenplay:
Anatomy of a Fall

Best Cinematography:
Oppenheimer

Best Costume Design:
Poor Things

Best Film Editing:
Oppenheimer

Best Makeup and Hairstyling:
Poor Things

Best Production Design:
Poor Things

Best Score:
Oppenheimer

Best Song:
What Was I Made For (Barbie)

Best Sound:
The Zone of Interest

Best Visual Effects:
Godzilla Minus One

Best Animated Feature:
The Boy and the Heron

Best Documentary Feature:
20 Days in Mariupol

Best International Film:
The Zone of Interest

Best Animated Short:
WAR IS OVER!

Best Documentary Short:
The ABC's of Book Banning

Best Live Action Short:
The Wonderful World of Henry Sugar



What I want to win:

Best Picture:
Anatomy of a Fall

Best Director:
Christopher Nolan

Best Actress:
Sandra Huller

Best Actor:
Cillian Murphy

Best Supporting Actress:
Danielle Brooks (this is such an awful category this year, that I would have to vote Danielle Brooks just because I couldn't bring myself to vote for anyone else.)

Best Supporting Actor:
Ryan Gosling

Best Adapted Screenplay:
The Zone of Interest

Best Original Screenplay:
Anatomy of a Fall

Best Cinematography:
Oppenheimer

Best Costume Design:
Barbie

Best Film Editing:
Anatomy of a Fall

Best Makeup and Hairstyling:
Society of the Snow

Best Production Design:
Barbie

Best Score:
American Fiction

Best Song:
I'm Just Ken (Barbie)

Best Sound:
Oppenheimer

Best Visual Effects:
The Creator

Best Animated Feature:
Robot Dreams

Best Documentary Feature:
20 Days in Mariupol

Best International Feature:
The Teachers Lounge

Best Animated Short:
Ninety-Five Senses

Best Documentary Short:
Island in Between

Best Live Action Short:
Invincible


Title: Re: BAFTA Feb 18th, Oscars Mar 10th (film & awards)
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on March 10, 2024, 07:14:04 PM
Woah, three wins in a row for Poor Things.

(I absolutely loved the movie)


Title: Re: BAFTA Feb 18th, Oscars Mar 10th (film & awards)
Post by: Anzeigenhauptmeister on March 10, 2024, 07:40:25 PM
And following the Berlinale, the Oscars now have their own woke anti-Semitism scandal. 🤮


Title: Re: BAFTA Feb 18th, Oscars Mar 10th (film & awards)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on March 10, 2024, 07:52:29 PM
Godzilla is now an Oscar-winning franchise.


Title: Re: BAFTA Feb 18th, Oscars Mar 10th (film & awards)
Post by: Independents against George Santos on March 10, 2024, 07:56:16 PM
Fun Oscars so far. Wish I'd watched Poor Things in advance, I definitely have to now. Not sure if it'll keep up its wins or if Oppenheimer will get more from here on.


Title: Re: BAFTA Feb 18th, Oscars Mar 10th (film & awards)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on March 10, 2024, 08:20:11 PM
Wes Anderson gets home an Oscar too for Henry Sugar.


Title: Re: BAFTA Feb 18th, Oscars Mar 10th (film & awards)
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on March 10, 2024, 09:35:14 PM
EMMA STONE WINS!!!

One of the few actresses ever to have been able to clinch a second acting Oscar by the age of 35.

You all really should see Poor Things. It's true that there are quite a few sex scenes, but it's a very beautiful film, nonetheless.


Title: Re: BAFTA Feb 18th, Oscars Mar 10th (film & awards)
Post by: Torrain on March 10, 2024, 09:46:12 PM
I try to keep my Nolan-bro tendencies on the down-low (for your sake as much as mine), but after he was snubbed for Inception, Interstellar, and particularly Dunkirk, I’m glad to see the drought finally end tonight.


Title: Re: BAFTA Feb 18th, Oscars Mar 10th (film & awards)
Post by: buritobr on March 10, 2024, 10:20:18 PM
Unlike what happened in some previous years, in 2024, I agree to all the prizes.

But some events happen in the Oscars every year
Jokes that aren't really jokes
People of the left complaining that the Oscars are too right-wing and people of the right complaining that the Oscars are too left-wing


Title: Re: BAFTA Feb 18th, Oscars Mar 10th (film & awards)
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on March 10, 2024, 10:39:03 PM
Emma Stone winning over Lily Gladstone was a bit of a surprise, otherwise 'Oppenheimer' winning the most *yawn*.


Title: Re: BAFTA Feb 18th, Oscars Mar 10th (film & awards)
Post by: T'Chenka on March 10, 2024, 11:06:52 PM

Yep. Generally speaking though, in my experience, it's VERY hard to convince Atlas politics nerds to watch good movies. Been trying to get people to watch Parasite and Past Lives since they came out, and very few actually have (compared to how many people I told to watch).


Title: Re: Oppenheimer wins Picture, 7 Oscars (film & awards)
Post by: T'Chenka on March 10, 2024, 11:18:36 PM
2024 Oscars (ceremony in early 2025)

BEST PICTURE NOMINEE PREDICTIONS:

- Dune Part Two
- Conclave
- Sing Sing
- Queer
- Blitz
- Joker 2
- The Room Next Door


Title: Re: BAFTA Feb 18th, Oscars Mar 10th (film & awards)
Post by: DaleCooper on March 10, 2024, 11:57:03 PM

Yep. Generally speaking though, in my experience, it's VERY hard to convince Atlas politics nerds to watch good movies. Been trying to get people to watch Parasite and Past Lives since they came out, and very few actually have (compared to how many people I told to watch).

Past Lives was great.


Title: Re: Oppenheimer wins 7 Oscars (Best Picture) (film & awards)
Post by: DaleCooper on March 11, 2024, 12:04:25 AM
I turned off Poor Things after the first 30 minutes because it was stupid and embarrassing, so I can't judge Emma Stone's performance fairly, but from what I saw I thought she was kind of bad. Maybe that was just the writing. I'm assuming (or at least hoping) that it got better as it went along.


Title: Re: Oppenheimer wins 7 Oscars (Best Picture) (film & awards)
Post by: nicholas.slaydon on March 11, 2024, 12:52:12 AM
I turned off Poor Things after the first 30 minutes because it was stupid and embarrassing, so I can't judge Emma Stone's performance fairly, but from what I saw I thought she was kind of bad. Maybe that was just the writing. I'm assuming (or at least hoping) that it got better as it went along.

It did not get better. The writing was bad throughout, and the direction was even worse.


Title: Re: Oppenheimer wins 7 Oscars (Best Picture) (film & awards)
Post by: John Dule on March 11, 2024, 12:56:03 AM
I skipped the Oscars to watch Hereditary, which was a good choice. Glad to see Maestro didn't win anything. Hate to see Oppenheimer win best editing; that might be one of the worst Oscar choices ever, which is saying something.


Title: Re: Oppenheimer wins 7 Oscars (Best Picture) (film & awards)
Post by: T'Chenka on March 11, 2024, 04:15:46 AM
This was so good (fun), oh my god.

Ryan Gosling - "I'm Just Ken" (Barbie)

(click to play I guess, damn)



Title: Re: Oppenheimer wins 7 Oscars (Best Picture) (film & awards)
Post by: Anzeigenhauptmeister on March 11, 2024, 04:36:05 AM
Funny fun fact about Sandra Hüller:
Her commercially most successful movie (so far) is called "Fack ju Göhte 3" (sic!).
And yes, the title of that "movie" already threatens in which intellectual direction it is going to head...


Title: Re: Oppenheimer wins 7 Oscars (Best Picture) (film & awards)
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on March 11, 2024, 05:03:21 AM
I turned off Poor Things after the first 30 minutes because it was stupid and embarrassing, so I can't judge Emma Stone's performance fairly, but from what I saw I thought she was kind of bad. Maybe that was just the writing. I'm assuming (or at least hoping) that it got better as it went along.

It does get a lot better after the first 30 minutes, when Bella really starts to develop. But that is my opinion.

For me, the way Stone was able to portray Bella's very subtle cognitive developments throughout the film, from baby to back to being a fully developed woman, is what really won me over. It was a role that could've turned out to be a complete disaster if done wrong, but she did it masterfully and absolutely earned that Oscar.


Title: Re: Oppenheimer wins 7 Oscars (Best Picture) (film & awards)
Post by: Middle-aged Europe on March 11, 2024, 05:15:08 AM
Elmo is very pleased by Oppenheimer's success:

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Title: Re: Oppenheimer wins 7 Oscars (Best Picture) (film & awards)
Post by: Independents against George Santos on March 11, 2024, 08:26:07 AM
I skipped the Oscars to watch Hereditary, which was a good choice. Glad to see Maestro didn't win anything. Hate to see Oppenheimer win best editing; that might be one of the worst Oscar choices ever, which is saying something.

How bad, on a scale of 1 to Bohemian Rhapsody? Maybe I'm uncultured swine but Oppenheimer's breakneck Michael Bay editing contributed to the swirling relentlessness of the movie (and made it extra notable when it would let up occasionally), which I enjoyed.


Title: Re: Oppenheimer wins 7 Oscars (Best Picture) (film & awards)
Post by: DaleCooper on March 11, 2024, 08:38:15 AM
I skipped the Oscars to watch Hereditary, which was a good choice. Glad to see Maestro didn't win anything. Hate to see Oppenheimer win best editing; that might be one of the worst Oscar choices ever, which is saying something.

How bad, on a scale of 1 to Bohemian Rhapsody? Maybe I'm uncultured swine but Oppenheimer's breakneck Michael Bay editing contributed to the swirling relentlessness of the movie (and made it extra notable when it would let up occasionally), which I enjoyed.

It's not even close to one of the worst Oscar choices ever. A lot of people don't realize how many borderline unwatchable movies have received awards instead of beloved classics and much better films over the last century.


Title: Re: Oppenheimer wins 7 Oscars (Best Picture) (film & awards)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on March 11, 2024, 08:57:31 AM
I skipped the Oscars to watch Hereditary, which was a good choice. Glad to see Maestro didn't win anything. Hate to see Oppenheimer win best editing; that might be one of the worst Oscar choices ever, which is saying something.

How bad, on a scale of 1 to Bohemian Rhapsody? Maybe I'm uncultured swine but Oppenheimer's breakneck Michael Bay editing contributed to the swirling relentlessness of the movie (and made it extra notable when it would let up occasionally), which I enjoyed.

It's not even close to one of the worst Oscar choices ever. A lot of people don't realize how many borderline unwatchable movies have received awards instead of beloved classics and much better films over the last century.

It's one thing for a film which was praised when it was released and became dated, and another to be considered bad even by its contemporaries.
I can't put in the same boat "Cavalcade" or "The Greatest Show on Earth" with "Bohemian Rhapsody" and "Green Book".


Title: Re: Oppenheimer wins 7 Oscars (Best Picture) (film & awards)
Post by: DaleCooper on March 11, 2024, 09:06:31 AM
I skipped the Oscars to watch Hereditary, which was a good choice. Glad to see Maestro didn't win anything. Hate to see Oppenheimer win best editing; that might be one of the worst Oscar choices ever, which is saying something.

How bad, on a scale of 1 to Bohemian Rhapsody? Maybe I'm uncultured swine but Oppenheimer's breakneck Michael Bay editing contributed to the swirling relentlessness of the movie (and made it extra notable when it would let up occasionally), which I enjoyed.

It's not even close to one of the worst Oscar choices ever. A lot of people don't realize how many borderline unwatchable movies have received awards instead of beloved classics and much better films over the last century.

It's one thing for a film which was praised when it was released and became dated, and another to be considered bad even by its contemporaries.
I can't put in the same boat "Cavalcade" or "The Greatest Show on Earth" with "Bohemian Rhapsody" and "Green Book".

Sure. I don't think any of the best picture winners are unwatchable, but if you study some of the winners and especially nominees for the "lesser" awards (and by that I just mean the ones that get little to no attention) you'll see some extremely questionable picks over the years.


Title: Re: Oppenheimer wins 7 Oscars (Best Picture) (film & awards)
Post by: 🦀🎂🦀🎂 on March 11, 2024, 09:19:26 AM
I enjoyed the editing on Oppenheimer but I would lose my mind if too many films were edited like that - it's very much like being on a three hour rollercoaster.


Title: Re: Oppenheimer wins 7 Oscars (Best Picture) (film & awards)
Post by: Sestak on March 11, 2024, 01:03:34 PM
Killers of the Flower Moon being blanked was terrible; Stone's performance was very good but I would much rather Gladstone have won. Robert Downey Jr. winning was also bad, though inevitable - I've already posted my thoughts on his performance.

Everything else was pretty good! The highlight for me is Anatomy of a Fall winning screenplay; extremely well deserved.


Title: Re: Oppenheimer wins 7 Oscars (Best Picture) (film & awards)
Post by: John Dule on March 11, 2024, 01:05:59 PM
I skipped the Oscars to watch Hereditary, which was a good choice. Glad to see Maestro didn't win anything. Hate to see Oppenheimer win best editing; that might be one of the worst Oscar choices ever, which is saying something.

How bad, on a scale of 1 to Bohemian Rhapsody? Maybe I'm uncultured swine but Oppenheimer's breakneck Michael Bay editing contributed to the swirling relentlessness of the movie (and made it extra notable when it would let up occasionally), which I enjoyed.

Oppenheimer’s editing literally ruined an otherwise great movie. The music was intrusive, and giving every single scene such a ponderous and weighty tone made it so there was nothing that stood out.


Title: Re: Oppenheimer wins 7 Oscars (Best Picture) (film & awards)
Post by: HisGrace on March 11, 2024, 01:13:25 PM
I turned off Poor Things after the first 30 minutes because it was stupid and embarrassing, so I can't judge Emma Stone's performance fairly, but from what I saw I thought she was kind of bad. Maybe that was just the writing. I'm assuming (or at least hoping) that it got better as it went along.

Good call! It's effectively just a never ending montage of sex scenes and once in a while they'll take a break for Emma Stone to talk about "philosophy" "socialism" or "reading". Put them in quotes since saying the words is pretty much all she has to say about them. I guess if they'd expanded on any of those subjects at all she wouldn't have been able to have sex every ten minutes.

It's pretty much a soft core porn movie with better direction and production values. Which contrary to the "puritan" accusation fans of the movie make whenever anyone points this out, I don't have any moral problem with. I just don't think porn is "great art" or needs to get awards nominations.

Anyway, to rank the nominees-

1. The Holdovers
2. Killers of the Flower Moon
3. American Fiction
4. Oppenheimer
5. Past Lives
6. Zone of Interest
7. Maestro
8. Poor Things

NS Barbie or Anatomy of a Fall


Title: Re: Oppenheimer wins 7 Oscars (Best Picture) (film & awards)
Post by: DaleCooper on March 11, 2024, 01:59:29 PM
I turned off Poor Things after the first 30 minutes because it was stupid and embarrassing, so I can't judge Emma Stone's performance fairly, but from what I saw I thought she was kind of bad. Maybe that was just the writing. I'm assuming (or at least hoping) that it got better as it went along.

Good call! It's effectively just a never ending montage of sex scenes and once in a while they'll take a break for Emma Stone to talk about "philosophy" "socialism" or "reading". Put them in quotes since saying the words is pretty much all she has to say about them. I guess if they'd expanded on any of those subjects at all she wouldn't have been able to have sex every ten minutes.

It's pretty much a soft core porn movie with better direction and production values. Which contrary to the "puritan" accusation fans of the movie make whenever anyone points this out, I don't have any moral problem with. I just don't think porn is "great art" or needs to get awards nominations.

Yeah, I shut it off after the first couple porn scenes. I'm no puritan either. Blue Velvet is one of my favorite movies, but Poor Things was so obnoxious and unfunny that I wasn't willing to sit through the sex scenes to get to the rest of the movie. The biggest obstacle for me though was probably the Emma Stone character in that first few scenes. She was giving me flashbacks to that infamous Rosie O'Donnell performance.


Title: Re: BAFTA Feb 18th, Oscars Mar 10th (film & awards)
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on March 11, 2024, 03:56:08 PM
EMMA STONE WINS!!!

One of the few actresses ever to have been able to clinch a second acting Oscar by the age of 35.

You all really should see Poor Things. It's true that there are quite a few sex scenes, but it's a very beautiful film, nonetheless.

Poor Things was a gross and deeply misogynistic film.  And it was a lousy one at that.  The costume design was solid, but otherwise very little good that can be said about it.


Title: Re: BAFTA Feb 18th, Oscars Mar 10th (film & awards)
Post by: HisGrace on March 11, 2024, 05:28:23 PM
EMMA STONE WINS!!!

One of the few actresses ever to have been able to clinch a second acting Oscar by the age of 35.

You all really should see Poor Things. It's true that there are quite a few sex scenes, but it's a very beautiful film, nonetheless.

Poor Things was a gross and deeply misogynistic film.  And it was a lousy one at that.  The costume design was solid, but otherwise very little good that can be said about it.

Didn't even get into it in my post, but the fact that she was supposed to have a small child's mind and the movie treats it like it's funny and cute that all these men are having sex with her is so messed up. Then it just reduces her entire personhood to her sexuality in a way that no one does for men. Amazing with how wokescolds love to go after anything "pROBleMaTic" in movies that they have this a complete pass just because it ticks some woke boxes.


Title: Re: Oppenheimer wins 7 Oscars (Best Picture) (film & awards)
Post by: Anzeigenhauptmeister on March 11, 2024, 05:49:13 PM
Jimmy's rom-com joke during his opening speech was not so well-received by the German media, in case anyone wants to know.


Title: Re: Oppenheimer wins 7 Oscars (Best Picture) (film & awards)
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on March 11, 2024, 05:58:16 PM
Jimmy's rom-com joke during his opening speech was not so well-received by the German media, in case anyone wants to know.

I hope Hollywood knows that there are many other talented, much funnier, and less douchey comedians they can pick from to host their award shows. It seems like they've been shoving him down our throats for the past three years.


Title: Re: Oppenheimer wins 7 Oscars (Best Picture) (film & awards)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on March 11, 2024, 06:18:20 PM
Jimmy's rom-com joke during his opening speech was not so well-received by the German media, in case anyone wants to know.

I hope Hollywood knows that there are many other talented, much funnier, and less douchey comedians they can pick from to host their award shows. It seems like they've been shoving him down our throats for the past three years.

Most of them have no desire to be put under a microscope and viciously attacked for some off-color remark they made 20 years ago.


Title: Re: Oppenheimer wins 7 Oscars (Best Picture) (film & awards)
Post by: DaleCooper on March 11, 2024, 06:18:42 PM
Jimmy's rom-com joke during his opening speech was not so well-received by the German media, in case anyone wants to know.

I hope Hollywood knows that there are many other talented, much funnier, and less douchey comedians they can pick from to host their award shows. It seems like they've been shoving him down our throats for the past three years.

The Chris Rock and Will Smith situation scared them. Jimmy Kimmel just feels safer and that's a feeling that the producers want.


Title: Re: Oppenheimer wins 7 Oscars (Best Picture) (film & awards)
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on March 11, 2024, 06:37:06 PM
Jimmy's rom-com joke during his opening speech was not so well-received by the German media, in case anyone wants to know.

I hope Hollywood knows that there are many other talented, much funnier, and less douchey comedians they can pick from to host their award shows. It seems like they've been shoving him down our throats for the past three years.

The Chris Rock and Will Smith situation scared them. Jimmy Kimmel just feels safer and that's a feeling that the producers want.

Which is understandable, but there are so many talented people in Hollywood who would do a much better job while simultaneously satisfying the producers' criteria for safety (John Mulaney is literally right there).

Maybe he's truly the only person left in the entire industry willing to do it anymore LOL.


Title: Re: Oppenheimer wins 7 Oscars (Best Picture) (film & awards)
Post by: T'Chenka on March 11, 2024, 10:56:10 PM
I wanted to see Paul Giamatti win Best Actor over Cillian Murphy, but it didn't happen. I also would have preferred Danielle Brooks winning Supporting Actress over Da'Vine Joy Randolph.

The best movie of the year for me was Past Lives, but I knew it had no chance of winning last night.

RANDOM NOTE - Updated the OP and post below it with 2023 stuff.