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Title: 2024 Republicans who can do the best to worst with black voters overall
Post by: Suburbia on July 02, 2019, 02:02:27 PM
Regardless of the 2020 election, the 2024 Republican presidential field will most likely be packed.

Which Republican can do the best to worst with black voters overall, to make inroads with black voters, 13% of the electorate?


Title: Re: 2024 Republicans who can do the best to worst with black voters overall
Post by: Some of My Best Friends Are Gay on July 02, 2019, 02:44:20 PM
The difference between the best and worst performance would be the difference between 3% and 8% of the black vote.


Title: Re: 2024 Republicans who can do the best to worst with black voters overall
Post by: Suburbia on July 02, 2019, 04:02:41 PM
The difference between the best and worst performance would be the difference between 3% and 8% of the black vote.

True, but what I mean is which candidates would perform the best and which the least?


Title: Re: 2024 Republicans who can do the best to worst with black voters overall
Post by: S019 on July 02, 2019, 04:56:27 PM
Mike Pence would do terrible among black voters


Someone like Nikki Haley, would do a bit better


But as EC said this is between like 3% and 10% of the black vote


Black voters are solidly Democratic


Title: Re: 2024 Republicans who can do the best to worst with black voters overall
Post by: Tekken_Guy on July 03, 2019, 10:04:47 AM
Best: An actual black Republican like Tim Scott or John James

Worst: Pence.


Title: Re: 2024 Republicans who can do the best to worst with black voters overall
Post by: Some of My Best Friends Are Gay on July 03, 2019, 11:04:43 AM
Best: An actual black Republican like Tim Scott or John James

Worst: Pence.

I haven't seen any evidence that black Republicans do noticeably better with black voters than a generic white Republican, look at Tim Scott's victory maps in South Carolina.


Title: Re: 2024 Republicans who can do the best to worst with black voters overall
Post by: Grassroots on July 03, 2019, 11:10:07 AM
Best: An actual black Republican like Tim Scott or John James

Worst: Pence.

This. Also, Social Conservatives in general tend to do better with African Americans at primary level, for example Mike Huckabee in 2008.


Title: Re: 2024 Republicans who can do the best to worst with black voters overall
Post by: Suburbia on July 03, 2019, 11:21:02 AM
What about Gov. DeSantis?

He ran a rigid 2018 campaign, but he is doing fairly well right now.

Can he make some inroads?


Title: Re: 2024 Republicans who can do the best to worst with black voters overall
Post by: lfromnj on July 03, 2019, 11:25:07 AM
Worst is easily Tom cotton.


Title: Re: 2024 Republicans who can do the best to worst with black voters overall
Post by: Some of My Best Friends Are Gay on July 03, 2019, 11:59:40 AM
Best: An actual black Republican like Tim Scott or John James

Worst: Pence.

This. Also, Social Conservatives in general tend to do better with African Americans at primary level, for example Mike Huckabee in 2008.
How many black people even voted in the 2008 Republican Primary?


Title: Re: 2024 Republicans who can do the best to worst with black voters overall
Post by: Grassroots on July 03, 2019, 05:17:56 PM
Best: An actual black Republican like Tim Scott or John James

Worst: Pence.

This. Also, Social Conservatives in general tend to do better with African Americans at primary level, for example Mike Huckabee in 2008.
How many black people even voted in the 2008 Republican Primary?
I can't find any info for the republican primaries but there is plenty for the dem primaries that year, probably because of Obama and all that.


Title: Re: 2024 Republicans who can do the best to worst with black voters overall
Post by: darklordoftech on July 04, 2019, 10:26:26 PM
Would Pence doing badly with black voters be because of association with Trump or for some other reason?


Title: Re: 2024 Republicans who can do the best to worst with black voters overall
Post by: Some of My Best Friends Are Gay on July 05, 2019, 09:17:09 AM
Would Pence doing badly with black voters be because of association with Trump or for some other reason?

No, it would be because he's a Republican.


Title: Re: 2024 Republicans who can do the best to worst with black voters overall
Post by: Ilhan Apologist on July 05, 2019, 10:34:05 AM
All of them would do terribly, but Tom Cotton would probably be the worst overall. As for the best, maybe someone who can distance themself from Trump?


Title: Re: 2024 Republicans who can do the best to worst with black voters overall
Post by: Suburbia on July 05, 2019, 06:27:17 PM
Would Pence doing badly with black voters be because of association with Trump or for some other reason?

Pence did well in his 2012 governor's race, before he was tied to Trump.


Title: Re: 2024 Republicans who can do the best to worst with black voters overall
Post by: darklordoftech on July 05, 2019, 08:03:26 PM
Would Pence doing badly with black voters be because of association with Trump or for some other reason?

No, it would be because he's a Republican.
Someone said that Pence would do worse with black voters than other Republicans.


Title: Re: 2024 Republicans who can do the best to worst with black voters overall
Post by: Saint Milei on July 05, 2019, 10:09:48 PM
The obvious answer is Rand Paul.


Title: Re: 2024 Republicans who can do the best to worst with black voters overall
Post by: Some of My Best Friends Are Gay on July 06, 2019, 12:46:07 AM
Would Pence doing badly with black voters be because of association with Trump or for some other reason?

No, it would be because he's a Republican.
Someone said that Pence would do worse with black voters than other Republicans.

I don't really see why.


Title: Re: 2024 Republicans who can do the best to worst with black voters overall
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on July 06, 2019, 01:14:45 AM
Rubio or Rand Paul can do good with Blk voters and Cruz, Pence or Cotton will do terrible


Title: Re: 2024 Republicans who can do the best to worst with black voters overall
Post by: Ilhan Apologist on July 06, 2019, 10:17:46 PM
Would Pence doing badly with black voters be because of association with Trump or for some other reason?

No, it would be because he's a Republican.
Someone said that Pence would do worse with black voters than other Republicans.

I don't really see why.

I guess because he'd have the hardest time distancing himself from Trump.


Title: Re: 2024 Republicans who can do the best to worst with black voters overall
Post by: OneJ on July 07, 2019, 04:21:33 PM
Don't understand why people are suggesting black Republicans like John James and Tim Scott would do best when they literally had average GOP performance among black voters in their races...against white candidates.


Title: Re: 2024 Republicans who can do the best to worst with black voters overall
Post by: TrumpBritt24 on July 07, 2019, 04:40:37 PM
Tim Scott, John James, Nikki Haley, Mia Love


Title: Re: 2024 Republicans who can do the best to worst with black voters overall
Post by: QAnonKelly on July 08, 2019, 01:05:56 PM
Any Republican would get about 10% of the black vote. Maybe if this was a gubernatorial election (Hogan did very well with black voters last year) but it will be stuck in that range for presidential elections for probably our whole lifetimes.


Title: Re: 2024 Republicans who can do the best to worst with black voters overall
Post by: Some of My Best Friends Are Gay on July 08, 2019, 04:27:02 PM
Any Republican would get about 10% of the black vote. Maybe if this was a gubernatorial election (Hogan did very well with black voters last year) but it will be stuck in that range for presidential elections for probably our whole lifetimes.

Charlie Baker actually got 48% of the black vote in Massachusetts last year, but I suppose that isn't as impressive as it sounds given that he won by 33% and there's a large number of white liberals in the state.


Title: Re: 2024 Republicans who can do the best to worst with black voters overall
Post by: Senator Incitatus on July 09, 2019, 11:25:42 PM
I think Hawley (or a similar type) would do the best with black voters. Haley (or similar) would do worst.