Talk Elections

Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion => Presidential Election Trends => Topic started by: Virginiá on February 04, 2018, 11:05:13 PM



Title: 538: Texas Dislikes Trump, But That Doesn’t Mean It Will Go Blue In 2018
Post by: Virginiá on February 04, 2018, 11:05:13 PM
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/texas-dislikes-trump-but-that-doesnt-mean-it-will-go-blue-in-2018/

Quote
Gallup this week released 2017 job approval ratings for President Trump in all 50 states. There’s a lot of interesting stuff in there. But one data point seemed to catch people’s attention more than others: Trump managed only a 39 percent approval rating in Texas; 54 percent of Texans said they disapproved of Trump.

[...]

But should we take these figures at face value? It’s possible that O’Rourke and Cruz may end up in a close race, but I’d be cautious about using the Gallup numbers to argue that Cruz might lose. The reason is simple: The group of people Gallup is polling is the entire adult population, rather than registered or likely voters. And in Texas, there’s a big partisan gap between the adult population and the electorate.

Nationally, voters, as a group, typically lean a bit more Republican than the adult population.1 But Texas is a special case: The electorate tends to be way more GOP-leaning than adults overall are.

You can see this at work in polling that Marist College did of likely voters and all adults in nine states during October and November of the 2016 campaign.2 When Marist asked whether respondents approved or disapproved of then-President Barack Obama, it found, on average, a 5-percentage-point drop in Obama’s net approval rating when the population changed from adults to likely voters. In Texas, the decline was 13 percentage points — by far the largest of the states polled. In other words, the likely electorate in Texas was 13 points more GOP-leaning than the state’s overall adult population.


()


Quote
Why the difference? In short, the answer can be found in the ethnic and racial makeup of the adult and voter populations. Whites are more Republican-leaning than nonwhites, so the more white an electorate is the more Republican it will likely be. According to the U.S. Census Bureau’s Current Population Survey, non-Hispanic whites made up 47 percent of all Texas adults in 2016 but accounted for 61 percent of Texans who voted that year. The only other states with a gap that big were California and Arizona, which also had 14-point differences and have large Hispanic populations.3 That’s double the average gap (7 points).

But Texas is different from Arizona and California in an important way — it has a larger partisan gap between whites and nonwhites, which exacerbates the effect of the ethnically/racially-driven differences between all adults and voters. White voters in Texas are far more Republican than white voters in Arizona and California are.4 So, that Texas’s electorate is so much whiter than its adult population has a huge effect.


Title: Re: 538: Texas Dislikes Trump, But That Doesn’t Mean It Will Go Blue In 2018
Post by: SingingAnalyst on February 05, 2018, 11:32:14 AM
A lot of votes in TX would have to flip in 2020 for TX to go blue in 2020. A lot.


Title: Re: 538: Texas Dislikes Trump, But That Doesn’t Mean It Will Go Blue In 2018
Post by: Lord Admirale on February 05, 2018, 12:35:30 PM
The belief that Texas could go Democrat in 2020 is ridiculous. 2024 is more of a possibility, but Trump would literally need to eat a baby on live TV for Democrats to win a plurality in Texas in 2020.


Title: Re: 538: Texas Dislikes Trump, But That Doesn’t Mean It Will Go Blue In 2018
Post by: Virginiá on February 05, 2018, 01:22:56 PM
The belief that Texas could go Democrat in 2020 is ridiculous. 2024 is more of a possibility, but Trump would literally need to eat a baby on live TV for Democrats to win a plurality in Texas in 2020.

That's preposterous. A basket of puppies would probably do it.


Title: Re: 538: Texas Dislikes Trump, But That Doesn’t Mean It Will Go Blue In 2018
Post by: America's Sweetheart ❤/𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕭𝖔𝖔𝖙𝖞 𝖂𝖆𝖗𝖗𝖎𝖔𝖗 on February 05, 2018, 02:37:00 PM
Yeah, barring a Reagan '80 style landslide in 2020, Texas isn't going blue. Maybe in 2024 if Trump serves two terms or a popular Democrat wins in 2020 and then runs for reelection in 2024.


Title: Re: 538: Texas Dislikes Trump, But That Doesn’t Mean It Will Go Blue In 2018
Post by: cvparty on February 05, 2018, 02:55:21 PM
A lot of votes in TX would have to flip in 2020 for TX to go blue in 2020. A lot.
actually, its population is growing so fast...it’s not like the democrat literally needs to flip 400,000 votes from trump


Title: Re: 538: Texas Dislikes Trump, But That Doesn’t Mean It Will Go Blue In 2018
Post by: wxtransit on February 05, 2018, 03:50:07 PM
A lot of votes in TX would have to flip in 2020 for TX to go blue in 2020. A lot.
actually, its population is growing so fast...it’s not like the democrat literally needs to flip 400,000 votes from trump
Actual Texan here, and yes, the Democrat does need to flip 400,000 votes. It will be very hard to flip Texas in 2020, if not near impossible. They may get close, but 2024 is far more likely.

The Texas population is growing fast, but it's not all liberal that's growing fast. It's everywhere.


Title: Re: 538: Texas Dislikes Trump, But That Doesn’t Mean It Will Go Blue In 2018
Post by: cvparty on February 05, 2018, 06:01:48 PM
A lot of votes in TX would have to flip in 2020 for TX to go blue in 2020. A lot.
actually, its population is growing so fast...it’s not like the democrat literally needs to flip 400,000 votes from trump
Actual Texan here, and yes, the Democrat does need to flip 400,000 votes. It will be very hard to flip Texas in 2020, if not near impossible. They may get close, but 2024 is far more likely.

The Texas population is growing fast, but it's not all liberal that's growing fast. It's everywhere.
okay "actual texan," fake texan is pointing out that texas's growth is not everywhere, it's concentrated around the major metro areas: houston, dallas, austin, san antonio, and midland-odessa, ALL of which swung heavily against trump. my point is that considering texas's demography which is changing by the second, it is definitely helpful but not literally necessary to flip an entire 400,000 of trump's voters from 2016.


Title: Re: 538: Texas Dislikes Trump, But That Doesn’t Mean It Will Go Blue In 2018
Post by: MarkD on February 05, 2018, 06:28:17 PM
You guys are talking about what might happen in the presidential election of 2020 whereas the OP is talking about what might to the Senate election this year.

I've often pointed out that adult population in Texas, Arizona, and California is not commensurate to potential voters, because so much of the population in those three states is Hispanics who are not U.S. citizens and are not eligible to vote. Congressional districts in those states that have high percentage of Hispanic population have much lower voter turnout than the other districts.