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Title: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 14, 2005, 01:27:47 AM
$20,000 was paid to her to keep quiet. Time for the delusional Republicans to face up to the fact that this scumbag isn't getting re-elected.

 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/12/AR2005081201651.html


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: A18 on August 14, 2005, 01:51:25 AM
Where does it say 16 year old?


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 14, 2005, 01:59:05 AM

Here, in case you need help finding her age in 1975.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/8/13/235231/672


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: Alcon on August 14, 2005, 02:22:09 AM
I have trouble believing that if she was 16, they would so blatantly ignore this.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 14, 2005, 02:32:47 AM
I have trouble believing that if she was 16, they would so blatantly ignore this.

That who would ignore this? She got hush money. It's the major scandal. Arnold's last scandal, the $8,000,000 from some magazine for passing favorable legislation is now old news.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: A18 on August 14, 2005, 02:39:27 AM
He didn't get the money for passing favorable legislation.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: Alcon on August 14, 2005, 03:26:04 AM
I have trouble believing that if she was 16, they would so blatantly ignore this.

That who would ignore this? She got hush money. It's the major scandal. Arnold's last scandal, the $8,000,000 from some magazine for passing favorable legislation is now old news.

The media.  What sounds better: "affair" or "affair with a 16-year-old"?


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: opebo on August 14, 2005, 03:40:00 AM
Good for him!  I hear he also did males, though only in a manly fashion (top).  However, the only aspect of his personal lifestyle that would be repulsive to a reasonable person would be his impoliteness and agressiveness. 

It is time that America face the fact that teenage girls are hot, and it is perfectly normal for men to have sex with them.

That said, it will be nice to see Swartzenaegar go down, for whatever silly reason appeals to the voters.. or maybe even for his right-wing politics.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: minionofmidas on August 14, 2005, 03:48:36 AM
He slept with  a 16 year old thirty years ago, and your bothering me with that fact [/i]now[/i]?
You may get back to me when you got news of him murdering somebody 30 years ago.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 14, 2005, 03:58:40 AM
He slept with  a 16 year old thirty years ago, and your bothering me with that fact [/i]now[/i]?
You may get back to me when you got news of him murdering somebody 30 years ago.

The age of consent in California is 18. That's statuatory rape, except that the statute of limitations has run out.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: A18 on August 14, 2005, 03:59:26 AM
He was, what, 28?


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 14, 2005, 04:00:34 AM

Yes


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: minionofmidas on August 14, 2005, 04:11:27 AM
He slept with  a 16 year old thirty years ago, and your bothering me with that fact [/i]now[/i]?
You may get back to me when you got news of him murdering somebody 30 years ago.

The age of consent in California is 18. That's statuatory rape, except that the statute of limitations has run out.
Just goes to show that the use of the term "rape" for cases like this is vile, disgusting, and demeaning to young women.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: ATFFL on August 14, 2005, 10:24:18 AM
Hang on a minute.  Stories printed in the National Enquirer are now being used? 


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: dazzleman on August 14, 2005, 10:38:03 AM
If this had come out about Bill Clinton, Democrats would be vociferously arguing that it made no difference.

But now we're supposed to take seriously a 30-year-old relationship simply because Schwarzenegger is a Republican.

If this were recent, it would be a big issue, but since it took place in 1975, who cares?  Standards were different back then in any case, and it was a long, long time ago.

And it's ridiculous to think that the Democrats are going to howl in outrage over this when we all know full they that they would defend it if it involved one of their patron saints.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: Ben. on August 14, 2005, 10:54:59 AM
If there is any truth to this I’d say it was a very foolish thing to do and reflects badly on the Governor’s judgment and character.

However it has to be born in mind that for the most part this does not reflect on his ability to execute his duties as governor of the state of California, nor does it any way reflect on the current political battles he’s involved with against Democrats in the state. 



If this had come out about Bill Clinton, Democrats would be vociferously arguing that it made no difference.


I think it’s also fair to say that if something like this had come out about Clinton then the Lewinsky witch hunt would have looked like an Easter egg hunt in comparison to the furore it would have provoked, especially on the right. That said, there would have been no grounds for impeaching him or suggesting that it illustrated an inability to discharge (no pun intended :D ) his duties POTUS.   


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 14, 2005, 01:10:26 PM
He slept with  a 16 year old thirty years ago, and your bothering me with that fact [/i]now[/i]?
You may get back to me when you got news of him murdering somebody 30 years ago.

The age of consent in California is 18. That's statuatory rape, except that the statute of limitations has run out.
Just goes to show that the use of the term "rape" for cases like this is vile, disgusting, and demeaning to young women.

It's what the law says. Plenty of younger people who slept with a 16 year old got in a lot of trouble for this.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 14, 2005, 01:11:16 PM
Hang on a minute.  Stories printed in the National Enquirer are now being used? 

That's not the source of this story, even though that mentions something.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 14, 2005, 01:12:59 PM
If this had come out about Bill Clinton, Democrats would be vociferously arguing that it made no difference.

But now we're supposed to take seriously a 30-year-old relationship simply because Schwarzenegger is a Republican.

If this were recent, it would be a big issue, but since it took place in 1975, who cares?  Standards were different back then in any case, and it was a long, long time ago.

And it's ridiculous to think that the Democrats are going to howl in outrage over this when we all know full they that they would defend it if it involved one of their patron saints.

Monica was 24 or 25. See the difference?


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: dazzleman on August 14, 2005, 01:24:22 PM
If this had come out about Bill Clinton, Democrats would be vociferously arguing that it made no difference.

But now we're supposed to take seriously a 30-year-old relationship simply because Schwarzenegger is a Republican.

If this were recent, it would be a big issue, but since it took place in 1975, who cares?  Standards were different back then in any case, and it was a long, long time ago.

And it's ridiculous to think that the Democrats are going to howl in outrage over this when we all know full they that they would defend it if it involved one of their patron saints.

Monica was 24 or 25. See the difference?

And Bill Clinton was 50 at the time.  Arnold was what, 23 or 24 in 1975?


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 14, 2005, 01:25:47 PM
If this had come out about Bill Clinton, Democrats would be vociferously arguing that it made no difference.

But now we're supposed to take seriously a 30-year-old relationship simply because Schwarzenegger is a Republican.

If this were recent, it would be a big issue, but since it took place in 1975, who cares?  Standards were different back then in any case, and it was a long, long time ago.

And it's ridiculous to think that the Democrats are going to howl in outrage over this when we all know full they that they would defend it if it involved one of their patron saints.

Monica was 24 or 25. See the difference?

And Bill Clinton was 50 at the time.  Arnold was what, 23 or 24 in 1975?

28. The law says that 16 and 28 is bad news. It doesn't say anything about 50 and 25.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: Cashcow on August 14, 2005, 01:29:28 PM
Arnold has plenty of skeletons in his closet, and you'll notice that most of them involve events that occured decades ago. California is always going to have an education crisis, an immigration crisis, an energy crisis, etc. Every governor is going to be hated by at least 50% of the population. Get used to it. Scumbag or not, he's better than Davis.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: dazzleman on August 14, 2005, 01:33:08 PM
If this had come out about Bill Clinton, Democrats would be vociferously arguing that it made no difference.

But now we're supposed to take seriously a 30-year-old relationship simply because Schwarzenegger is a Republican.

If this were recent, it would be a big issue, but since it took place in 1975, who cares?  Standards were different back then in any case, and it was a long, long time ago.

And it's ridiculous to think that the Democrats are going to howl in outrage over this when we all know full they that they would defend it if it involved one of their patron saints.

Monica was 24 or 25. See the difference?

And Bill Clinton was 50 at the time.  Arnold was what, 23 or 24 in 1975?

28. The law says that 16 and 28 is bad news. It doesn't say anything about 50 and 25.

Whatever.  I really don't give a s**t about what Arnold did in 1975.  If he did it in 2000, then talk to me.  What are you going to dig up next, that he got a speeding ticket in 1980, or maybe he got caught chewing gum once when he was in school and had to stay after?

It's pretty pathetic that you have to go back this far.  Are you motivated by anything but hate?  If so, I haven't seen it.  It's not as if it comes as a big surprise that Arnold had a wild sex life in his youth, and maybe still does to some degree.  I think that was well known before he was elected governor of California.

As Cashcow said, he's better than Davis.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 14, 2005, 01:35:07 PM
The people arguing that this is old news that happened a long time ago seem to have missed the illegal hush money paid to her to keep quiet.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: Cashcow on August 14, 2005, 01:47:47 PM
The people arguing that this is old news that happened a long time ago seem to have missed the illegal hush money paid to her to keep quiet.

He can't ever amend for his wrongdoings?


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 14, 2005, 01:50:40 PM
The people arguing that this is old news that happened a long time ago seem to have missed the illegal hush money paid to her to keep quiet.

He can't ever amend for his wrongdoings?

Did you read what I said?


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: Cashcow on August 14, 2005, 02:16:00 PM
Yeah. I would pay her too.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: phk on August 14, 2005, 02:38:52 PM
As long as this causes a civil war with the Christian Coalition and Arnold, its great.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 14, 2005, 03:13:41 PM
As Cashcow said, he's better than Davis.

My (late, lamented) cat would be a better Governer of California than Davis ;D


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: dazzleman on August 14, 2005, 03:17:19 PM
The people arguing that this is old news that happened a long time ago seem to have missed the illegal hush money paid to her to keep quiet.

How is it illegal?  How many women did Clinton pay off to keep quiet, and prevent more bimbo eruptions?

I would take this a lot more seriously coming from you if I didn't know that you'd be defending this exact same behavior vociferously if we were talking about a liberal Democrat.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 14, 2005, 03:49:39 PM

The hush money is quite likely illegal. Let's face it, this guy is completely curropt, even if you would do the same thing.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 14, 2005, 03:53:13 PM
The people arguing that this is old news that happened a long time ago seem to have missed the illegal hush money paid to her to keep quiet.

How is it illegal?  How many women did Clinton pay off to keep quiet, and prevent more bimbo eruptions?

I would take this a lot more seriously coming from you if I didn't know that you'd be defending this exact same behavior vociferously if we were talking about a liberal Democrat.

Unlike your hypotheticals with Clinton, we have real evidence here. When have I defended a curropt liberal Democrat? The curropt Democrats all seem to be moderates, like Traficant and Torricelli.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: dazzleman on August 14, 2005, 03:56:17 PM
The people arguing that this is old news that happened a long time ago seem to have missed the illegal hush money paid to her to keep quiet.

How is it illegal?  How many women did Clinton pay off to keep quiet, and prevent more bimbo eruptions?

I would take this a lot more seriously coming from you if I didn't know that you'd be defending this exact same behavior vociferously if we were talking about a liberal Democrat.

Unlike your hypotheticals with Clinton, we have real evidence here. When have I defended a curropt liberal Democrat? The curropt Democrats all seem to be moderates, like Traficant and Torricelli.

Traficant is a nut, and Torricelli is a vile liberal.  And I believe the blue semen-stained dress goes well beyond hypothetical.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 14, 2005, 04:04:42 PM
The people arguing that this is old news that happened a long time ago seem to have missed the illegal hush money paid to her to keep quiet.

How is it illegal?  How many women did Clinton pay off to keep quiet, and prevent more bimbo eruptions?

I would take this a lot more seriously coming from you if I didn't know that you'd be defending this exact same behavior vociferously if we were talking about a liberal Democrat.

Unlike your hypotheticals with Clinton, we have real evidence here. When have I defended a curropt liberal Democrat? The curropt Democrats all seem to be moderates, like Traficant and Torricelli.

Traficant is a nut, and Torricelli is a vile liberal.  And I believe the blue semen-stained dress goes well beyond hypothetical.

He's a pro-war hack with support from right-wingers.

http://wsws.org/articles/2002/oct2002/torr-o03.shtml


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: dazzleman on August 14, 2005, 04:09:02 PM
The people arguing that this is old news that happened a long time ago seem to have missed the illegal hush money paid to her to keep quiet.

How is it illegal?  How many women did Clinton pay off to keep quiet, and prevent more bimbo eruptions?

I would take this a lot more seriously coming from you if I didn't know that you'd be defending this exact same behavior vociferously if we were talking about a liberal Democrat.

Unlike your hypotheticals with Clinton, we have real evidence here. When have I defended a curropt liberal Democrat? The curropt Democrats all seem to be moderates, like Traficant and Torricelli.

Traficant is a nut, and Torricelli is a vile liberal.  And I believe the blue semen-stained dress goes well beyond hypothetical.

He's a pro-war hack with support from right-wingers.

http://wsws.org/articles/2002/oct2002/torr-o03.shtml

Well, I guess that explains why he was corrupt.  After all, a liberal Democrat could never be corrupt.  Anything said about them is pure innuendo.  Ted Kennedy is as pure as the driven snow, and Chappaquiddick was made up by a vast right wing conspiracy.  Right?


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 14, 2005, 04:09:51 PM

Well, I guess that explains why he was corrupt.  After all, a liberal Democrat could never be corrupt.  Anything said about them is pure innuendo.  Ted Kennedy is as pure as the driven snow, and Chappaquiddick was made up by a vast right wing conspiracy.  Right?

So Ted Kennedy is a bad date. Got any more examples, or that it?


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: The Dowager Mod on August 14, 2005, 04:12:50 PM
Something Kennedy did 30 years ago is relevant but something Der Governater did 30 years ago isn't?


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: dazzleman on August 14, 2005, 04:27:16 PM
Something Kennedy did 30 years ago is relevant but something Der Governater did 30 years ago isn't?

Well, there's a slight difference.  Kennedy left a girl dead.  As far as I can tell, Arnold's paramour is still alive.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: Alcon on August 14, 2005, 04:44:42 PM
Something Kennedy did 30 years ago is relevant but something Der Governater did 30 years ago isn't?

Well, there's a slight difference.  Kennedy left a girl dead.  As far as I can tell, Arnold's paramour is still alive.

Both are crimes with expired statue of limitations, though.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: J. J. on August 14, 2005, 04:55:35 PM
The only article I found mention their age was  that he "met" Gigi Goyette when she was 16.  That's a lot different than they "had sex" when she was 16.

It also notes a 7 year relationship, much later.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: dazzleman on August 14, 2005, 05:03:30 PM
The only article I found mention their age was  that he "met" Gigi Goyette when she was 16.  That's a lot different than they "had sex" when she was 16.

It also notes a 7 year relationship, much later.

Don't expect Jfern to get too concerned with minor details like that.  If he's going to go after Arnold, he ought to find something more compelling than possible 30-year-old sex.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: Notre Dame rules! on August 14, 2005, 05:12:02 PM
The only article I found mention their age was  that he "met" Gigi Goyette when she was 16.  That's a lot different than they "had sex" when she was 16.

It also notes a 7 year relationship, much later.

Don't expect Jfern to get too concerned with minor details like that. If he's going to go after Arnold, he ought to find something more compelling than possible 30-year-old sex.





Dazzleman,

Keep egging Jfern on.  I want to see his head explode like one of those femme-bots on Austin Powers.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: dazzleman on August 14, 2005, 05:15:27 PM

Dazzleman,

Keep egging Jfern on.  I want to see his head explode like one of those femme-bots on Austin Powers.

:)


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: J. J. on August 14, 2005, 05:19:31 PM
The only article I found mention their age was  that he "met" Gigi Goyette when she was 16.  That's a lot different than they "had sex" when she was 16.

It also notes a 7 year relationship, much later.

Don't expect Jfern to get too concerned with minor details like that.  If he's going to go after Arnold, he ought to find something more compelling than possible 30-year-old sex.

That why I checked the story.  It so far involves math, reading comprehension, and a calendar.  These are not exactly Jfern's stong points.

There is another factor, geography.  I'm not clear that this happened in CA.  Goyette lived in Ohio at some points, according to one of the articles, which now, at least, has a lower age of consent.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: Notre Dame rules! on August 14, 2005, 05:25:38 PM
you can tag a hottie  at 16 in MS, so long as momma and daddy don't mind


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: J. J. on August 14, 2005, 06:10:08 PM

The hush money is quite likely illegal. Let's face it, this guy is completely curropt, even if you would do the same thing.

Well, Arnold wasn't the one that paid it.  If you have problem with it call up the Enquirer.  Oh, I forgot that whole freedom of the press thingy in the Constititution. 

I guess constitutional rights are only important to Jfern when it's convenient.  Isn't that special.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: phk on August 14, 2005, 06:37:24 PM
I wonder what the Christian Coalition will say.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: ATFFL on August 14, 2005, 06:39:18 PM
Something Kennedy did 30 years ago is relevant but something Der Governater did 30 years ago isn't?

Well, there's a slight difference.  Kennedy left a girl dead.  As far as I can tell, Arnold's paramour is still alive.

Both are crimes with expired statue of limitations, though.

Incorrect.  If they want to term Mary Jo's death murder, there is no statute of limitations.  Not likely to happen, but still possible.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: Gabu on August 14, 2005, 08:02:47 PM
If this had come out about Bill Clinton, Democrats would be vociferously arguing that it made no difference.

But now we're supposed to take seriously a 30-year-old relationship simply because Schwarzenegger is a Republican.

If this were recent, it would be a big issue, but since it took place in 1975, who cares?  Standards were different back then in any case, and it was a long, long time ago.

And it's ridiculous to think that the Democrats are going to howl in outrage over this when we all know full they that they would defend it if it involved one of their patron saints.

I would argue that it would make no difference with Bill Clinton, and I argue that it makes no difference with Arnold Schwartzenegger, too.  I honestly don't care if a politician has sex with an underage girl thirty years ago, regardless of what party the politician is in.  It has no bearing whatsoever on how well the politician is able to do his job, and the fact that anyone would care about this makes me lose a bit of faith in the human race.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: dazzleman on August 14, 2005, 08:12:09 PM
If this had come out about Bill Clinton, Democrats would be vociferously arguing that it made no difference.

But now we're supposed to take seriously a 30-year-old relationship simply because Schwarzenegger is a Republican.

If this were recent, it would be a big issue, but since it took place in 1975, who cares?  Standards were different back then in any case, and it was a long, long time ago.

And it's ridiculous to think that the Democrats are going to howl in outrage over this when we all know full they that they would defend it if it involved one of their patron saints.

I would argue that it would make no difference with Bill Clinton, and I argue that it makes no difference with Arnold Schwartzenegger, too.  I honestly don't care if a politician has sex with an underage girl thirty years ago, regardless of what party the politician is in.  It has no bearing whatsoever on how well the politician is able to do his job, and the fact that anyone would care about this makes me lose a bit of faith in the human race.

I don't really agree with you here.  I would care if it were recent.  If Schwarzenegger were having sex with a 16-year-old girl now, I would be disgusted with it.  I think a politician's personal life has some bearing on his/her fitness for office, and I think that character counts.  But we don't have to go into every detail.  Still, sex with a minor is egregious.

But if it happened 30 years ago, I don't care.  I wouldn't want to be judged by things I did more than half my lifetime ago.  Clearly, people digging this up are just looking to make trouble for Schwarzenegger for other reasons, and want to use this.  They were outraged when a recent affair was used against Clinton, but think it's perfectly OK to bring up a 30 year old trist with Schwarzenegger.  Typical.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 14, 2005, 08:25:47 PM
The only article I found mention their age was  that he "met" Gigi Goyette when she was 16.  That's a lot different than they "had sex" when she was 16.

It also notes a 7 year relationship, much later.

Don't expect Jfern to get too concerned with minor details like that. If he's going to go after Arnold, he ought to find something more compelling than possible 30-year-old sex.

Dazzleman,

Keep egging Jfern on.  I want to see his head explode like one of those femme-bots on Austin Powers.

Aaaaaahhhhgggggh!!!!!

Just kidding.

Anyways, they both had "outercourse" sex, whatever that is when she was 16, and he had an affair with her later (when she was legal, but he was still cheating).


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 14, 2005, 08:28:12 PM
you can tag a hottie  at 16 in MS, so long as momma and daddy don't mind

Yeah, well it's 18 in CA, which is the relevant state law.

Funny how the Republicans all ignore the hush money.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: Gabu on August 14, 2005, 09:47:21 PM
If this had come out about Bill Clinton, Democrats would be vociferously arguing that it made no difference.

But now we're supposed to take seriously a 30-year-old relationship simply because Schwarzenegger is a Republican.

If this were recent, it would be a big issue, but since it took place in 1975, who cares?  Standards were different back then in any case, and it was a long, long time ago.

And it's ridiculous to think that the Democrats are going to howl in outrage over this when we all know full they that they would defend it if it involved one of their patron saints.

I would argue that it would make no difference with Bill Clinton, and I argue that it makes no difference with Arnold Schwartzenegger, too.  I honestly don't care if a politician has sex with an underage girl thirty years ago, regardless of what party the politician is in.  It has no bearing whatsoever on how well the politician is able to do his job, and the fact that anyone would care about this makes me lose a bit of faith in the human race.

I don't really agree with you here.  I would care if it were recent.  If Schwarzenegger were having sex with a 16-year-old girl now, I would be disgusted with it.  I think a politician's personal life has some bearing on his/her fitness for office, and I think that character counts.  But we don't have to go into every detail.  Still, sex with a minor is egregious.

But if it happened 30 years ago, I don't care.  I wouldn't want to be judged by things I did more than half my lifetime ago.  Clearly, people digging this up are just looking to make trouble for Schwarzenegger for other reasons, and want to use this.  They were outraged when a recent affair was used against Clinton, but think it's perfectly OK to bring up a 30 year old trist with Schwarzenegger.  Typical.

It's the "thirty years ago" part that's crucial in what I said.  If a 50-year-old politician is having sex with an underage girl right now, I think that would be fair game.  But thirty years ago?  It's not as if people can't reform; what the person is like right now is what matters.


Title: Re: Arnold had sex with 16 year old
Post by: dazzleman on August 14, 2005, 10:03:22 PM

It's the "thirty years ago" part that's crucial in what I said.  If a 50-year-old politician is having sex with an underage girl right now, I think that would be fair game.  But thirty years ago?  It's not as if people can't reform; what the person is like right now is what matters.

In that case, we're in full agreement.