Title: 2016: Mitt Romney vs. Hillary Clinton (Romney decides to run in '16)
Post by: Suburbia on June 02, 2017, 10:44:42 AM
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney decides to run for president for a third time in Jan. 2015, and wins the GOP nomination against populists Donald Trump and Ted Cruz. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton wins the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination against Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and former Virginia Sen. Jim Webb. Who wins?
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/01/mitt-romney-considers-2016-presidential-campaign-114132
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/01/mitt-romney-considers-2016-presidential-campaign-114132
Title: Re: 2016: Mitt Romney vs. Hillary Clinton (Romney decides to run in '16)
Post by: Matty on June 02, 2017, 10:54:22 AM
Same map as 2012.
Title: Re: 2016: Mitt Romney vs. Hillary Clinton (Romney decides to run in '16)
Post by: Kingpoleon on June 02, 2017, 11:21:10 AM
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322: Mitt Romney/Condoleeza Rice - 50.2%
216: Hillary Clinton/James Stavridis - 45.0%
Others - 4.8%
322: Mitt Romney/Condoleeza Rice - 50.2%
216: Hillary Clinton/James Stavridis - 45.0%
Others - 4.8%
Title: Re: 2016: Mitt Romney vs. Hillary Clinton (Romney decides to run in '16)
Post by: BuckeyeNut on June 02, 2017, 11:25:38 AM
Same map as 2012.
Title: Re: 2016: Mitt Romney vs. Hillary Clinton (Romney decides to run in '16)
Post by: OSR stands with Israel on June 06, 2017, 12:37:36 AM
Romney wins handily
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Romney/Martinez 337
Hillary/Kaine 201
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Romney/Martinez 337
Hillary/Kaine 201
Title: Re: 2016: Mitt Romney vs. Hillary Clinton (Romney decides to run in '16)
Post by: RC on June 11, 2017, 11:34:32 AM
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Mitt Romney/Jeb Bush - 270 EVs
Hillary Clinton/Tim Kaine - 268 EVs
Romney wins a close match, Nevada is the closest state. PV is Kennedy/Nixon levels close, but Clinton wins it.
Title: Re: 2016: Mitt Romney vs. Hillary Clinton (Romney decides to run in '16)
Post by: The Chill Moderate Republican on June 15, 2017, 12:09:12 PM
Almost the exact same map as of 2012
Title: Re: 2016: Mitt Romney vs. Hillary Clinton (Romney decides to run in '16)
Post by: Chunk Yogurt for President! on June 15, 2017, 12:57:06 PM
Come on, Romney had nowhere near the baggage of Trump, of course he would win.
Title: Re: 2016: Mitt Romney vs. Hillary Clinton (Romney decides to run in '16)
Post by: _ on June 16, 2017, 04:10:48 PM
Come on, Romney had nowhere near the baggage of Trump, of course he would win.
HE'S GOING TO LOSE BY AN EVEN LARGER MARGIN, HE'LL LOSE BIGLY, BELIEVE ME!
Title: Re: 2016: Mitt Romney vs. Hillary Clinton (Romney decides to run in '16)
Post by: NHI on June 18, 2017, 11:00:01 PM
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This plus PAMitt Romney/Jeb Bush - 270 EVs
Hillary Clinton/Tim Kaine - 268 EVs
Romney wins a close match, Nevada is the closest state. PV is Kennedy/Nixon levels close, but Clinton wins it.
Title: Re: 2016: Mitt Romney vs. Hillary Clinton (Romney decides to run in '16)
Post by: NewYorkExpress on June 21, 2017, 09:21:58 PM
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Clinton/Kaine 298
Romney/Rubio 240
Iowa, North Carolina, Florida, Ohio and New Hampshire are the closest states.
Clinton/Kaine 298
Romney/Rubio 240
Iowa, North Carolina, Florida, Ohio and New Hampshire are the closest states.
Title: Re: 2016: Mitt Romney vs. Hillary Clinton (Romney decides to run in '16)
Post by: The Govanah Jake on October 01, 2017, 10:57:46 AM
A slight Romney loss if he won the nomination
Title: Re: 2016: Mitt Romney vs. Hillary Clinton (Romney decides to run in '16)
Post by: America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS on October 01, 2017, 11:23:23 AM
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Clinton: 201
Romney: 337
Clinton: 201
Romney: 337
Title: Re: 2016: Mitt Romney vs. Hillary Clinton (Romney decides to run in '16)
Post by: Lechasseur on October 01, 2017, 11:50:34 AM
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Clinton: 201
Romney: 337
Clinton: 201
Romney: 337
This
Title: Re: 2016: Mitt Romney vs. Hillary Clinton (Romney decides to run in '16)
Post by: The Undefeatable Debbie Stabenow on October 01, 2017, 02:01:58 PM
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Mitt Romney/Jeb Bush - 270 EVs
Hillary Clinton/Tim Kaine - 268 EVs
Romney wins a close match, Nevada is the closest state. PV is Kennedy/Nixon levels close, but Clinton wins it.
This looks about right to me. Very close.
Title: Re: 2016: Mitt Romney vs. Hillary Clinton (Romney decides to run in '16)
Post by: HomestarSB9 on October 01, 2017, 07:41:01 PM
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Fmr. Gov. Mitt Romney (R-MA) / Fmr. Gov. Mike Huckabee (R-AR) - 302 EVs
Fmr. Sec. of State Hillary Clinton (D-NY) / Fmr. Gov. Bill Richardson (D-NM) - 236 EVs
Romney wins Utah by over 80% of the vote, McMullin wins in second place with 13%.
Fmr. Gov. Mitt Romney (R-MA) / Fmr. Gov. Mike Huckabee (R-AR) - 302 EVs
Fmr. Sec. of State Hillary Clinton (D-NY) / Fmr. Gov. Bill Richardson (D-NM) - 236 EVs
Romney wins Utah by over 80% of the vote, McMullin wins in second place with 13%.
Title: Re: 2016: Mitt Romney vs. Hillary Clinton (Romney decides to run in '16)
Post by: brucejoel99 on October 01, 2017, 07:43:35 PM
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Fmr. Gov. Mitt Romney (R-MA) / Fmr. Gov. Mike Huckabee (R-AR) - 302 EVs
Fmr. Sec. of State Hillary Clinton (D-NY) / Fmr. Gov. Bill Richardson (D-NM) - 236 EVs
Romney wins Utah by over 80% of the vote, McMullin wins in second place with 13%.
Fmr. Gov. Mitt Romney (R-MA) / Fmr. Gov. Mike Huckabee (R-AR) - 302 EVs
Fmr. Sec. of State Hillary Clinton (D-NY) / Fmr. Gov. Bill Richardson (D-NM) - 236 EVs
Romney wins Utah by over 80% of the vote, McMullin wins in second place with 13%.
McMullin wouldn't run against Mitt
Title: Re: 2016: Mitt Romney vs. Hillary Clinton (Romney decides to run in '16)
Post by: Mr. Smith on October 01, 2017, 09:32:16 PM
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Clinton/Kaine
Romney/Ryan
Couldn't ask for an easier opponent, and Hillary would've run a very different campaign anyway.
Clinton/Kaine
Romney/Ryan
Couldn't ask for an easier opponent, and Hillary would've run a very different campaign anyway.
Title: Re: 2016: Mitt Romney vs. Hillary Clinton (Romney decides to run in '16)
Post by: TPIG on October 01, 2017, 09:40:43 PM
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Romney/Rubio - 50.7% - 321 EVs
Clinton/Booker - 47.4% - 217 Evs
Clinton/Booker - 47.4% - 217 Evs
Romney doesn't do as well as Trump in rust-belt states but still wins many of them due to Clinton's unpopularity. Romney also far out-performs Trump with moderate suburban Republicans and manages to eek out victories in VA, CO, and NV.
Title: Re: 2016: Mitt Romney vs. Hillary Clinton (Romney decides to run in '16)
Post by: mvd10 on October 02, 2017, 01:10:32 PM
Romney underperforms Trump in the EV (EV-wise Trump really was the most electable Republican) but overperforms him in the PV (he probably wins the PV). I think he narrowly beats Clinton, but it could go either way. Romney isn't as toxic as Trump, but he also wouldn't have demonized Hillary as effectively as Trump did.
Title: Re: 2016: Mitt Romney vs. Hillary Clinton (Romney decides to run in '16)
Post by: bagelman on October 09, 2017, 06:45:51 PM
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308-230 Romney
308-230 Romney
Title: Re: 2016: Mitt Romney vs. Hillary Clinton (Romney decides to run in '16)
Post by: Chips on December 20, 2020, 10:38:12 PM
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322: Mitt Romney/Condoleeza Rice - 50.2%
216: Hillary Clinton/James Stavridis - 45.0%
Others - 4.8%
322: Mitt Romney/Condoleeza Rice - 50.2%
216: Hillary Clinton/James Stavridis - 45.0%
Others - 4.8%
This, But with MN and WI swapped.
Title: Re: 2016: Mitt Romney vs. Hillary Clinton (Romney decides to run in '16)
Post by: BigVic on December 20, 2020, 10:38:58 PM
He will be a registered MI voter to help flip the Rust Belt.
Title: Re: 2016: Mitt Romney vs. Hillary Clinton (Romney decides to run in '16)
Post by: Alben Barkley on December 20, 2020, 10:58:41 PM
Same map as 2012, with the possible exception of some or all of FL/OH/IA.
Romney does not win over Obama voters in the rust belt like Trump did so he still ends up running into the blue wall. He ultimately does about as well as Jeb! or most other generic Republicans would have. Kasich could have won, in part because he was actually from the region and had a more blue collar, regular guy image in contrast to Romney's "elitist" image. But guys like Jeb! and Romney would have been seen as out-of-touch, rejected has-beens and stiffs. They wouldn't have more appeal than they did before. Trump was able to both convert large numbers of blue collar Obama voters AND boost turnout among WWC voters in general to levels a guy like Romney never could have.
A Romney/Clinton election would have had low turnout and been seen by most people as boring; Hillary basically wins by default due to a combination of Obama's popularity, her being more inspiring to her base than Romney is to his, the allure of electing the first woman president, and the fact that the country is essentially lean D so in order to win Republicans have to rely on inching out victories in states where Romney had just lost soundly four years before. And for the reasons mentioned, there's not really any reason to think he would have done a lot better the next time.
Romney does not win over Obama voters in the rust belt like Trump did so he still ends up running into the blue wall. He ultimately does about as well as Jeb! or most other generic Republicans would have. Kasich could have won, in part because he was actually from the region and had a more blue collar, regular guy image in contrast to Romney's "elitist" image. But guys like Jeb! and Romney would have been seen as out-of-touch, rejected has-beens and stiffs. They wouldn't have more appeal than they did before. Trump was able to both convert large numbers of blue collar Obama voters AND boost turnout among WWC voters in general to levels a guy like Romney never could have.
A Romney/Clinton election would have had low turnout and been seen by most people as boring; Hillary basically wins by default due to a combination of Obama's popularity, her being more inspiring to her base than Romney is to his, the allure of electing the first woman president, and the fact that the country is essentially lean D so in order to win Republicans have to rely on inching out victories in states where Romney had just lost soundly four years before. And for the reasons mentioned, there's not really any reason to think he would have done a lot better the next time.