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Title: Alaska?
Post by: hurricanehink on February 25, 2016, 02:08:11 PM
I know Alaska hasn't voted for the Democrats for president since 1964, but the state seems like it should be ripe for investment for the Democratic Party. There are plenty of the same liberals who populate Oregon and Washington, but who have a libertarian streak. The citizens rely on plenty of pork spending (much infrastructure provided by longtime Senator Stevens), while at the same time relying on money from the state due to oil revenues. If not for Alaska's remote location and the oil money (which is decreasing now due to the lowering oil prices), would this be an area for Democrats to invest in the future?

In 2012, Alaska increased its share of votes to President Obama to 40.81%, up from 37.89% in 2008. Some might argue this is a Palin effect, that she was on the ballot in '08 helped her. It's possibly true - the number of Republican votes declined by 29,165 from 2008 to 2012, while Democratic votes declined just 954 votes, indictating stable Democratic turnout, and a sizable base. However, 2008 also had a competitive house race (Berkowitz was the former minority leader of the Alaskan House), and a competitive Senate race in which Begich won (barely) over Ted Stevens. 2012 was a fairly neutral election - the house race had a state representative as the Democratic candidate, and Democrats still did well.

Meanwhile, in the Republican wave of 2014 that saw the GOP winning in Maryland, Massachusetts, Florida, Illinois, and Colorado, a random attorney did better in Alaska's at-large house race (winning 31,675 more votes than the state representative did in 2012, and increasing percentage of votes from 28.61% in 2012 to 40.97% in 2014). Also, while Mark Begich lost the senate race, he only dropped 22,336 votes from his win in 2008. This was less than the number of Republican votes for president lost from 2008 to 2012.

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Here is a little sheet showing the voting totals from 2004 to 2014, for each major election in the state. For 2010 senate, I included the write-in votes for Murkowski and for the official Republican candidate.

A little analysis is needed. For House races, there is an average of 280,977 votes cast overall. For Senate, the number is 291,796. For Governor it is 258,152, and for President it is 313,478. As Senate and President has the highest overall votes (and higher percentage of the vote typically helps Democrats nationwide), I'll focus on them. The Democrats have received on average 120,417 votes for the Senate, and 119,086 votes for the Presidency, both very close. This is compared to the Republicans getting 155,796 votes for the Senate and 183,135 for the Presidency.

But 2012, a fairly neutral election for Alaska, saw the Republicans dip down to 164,676 votes, below their average. This was just 12,909 votes more than what Mark Begich won in 2008, which was the most votes a Democrat got in the state since 2004. 12,909 votes is just 4.3% of the total votes cast in 2012.

TL;DR summary:
If I was head of the Democratic Party of Alaska, I would study closely how Mark Begich got out such a strong coalition in 2008. The answer isn't simply about Stevens' indictment - Begich was winning in polls as early as December 2007, well before the indictment in July 2008, and Stevens outperformed the polling (only one poll had him receiving a higher percentage of votes than he received). I would invest in some ground game to make up the 4.3% of votes that they could theoretically need to win in the state. If not for 2016, then do it for 2020 when there will be another senate race lining up with the presidential.

PS - I'm relatively new here, and I tried posting an image, but it didn't work for me. Mods, if anyone could help, that would be greatly appreciated. I'm just trying to back up my thoughts in this quirky, fun, political community.


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: Asian Nazi on February 25, 2016, 02:17:21 PM
Great post!

Seems high cost low reward for the national party to invest in a state like Alaska, but it's obvious that it's shifting on its own somewhat as it grows more cosmopolitan and the Natives start voting.


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: This account no longer in use. on February 25, 2016, 02:44:22 PM
I'd have to agree. Alaska and Montana could definitely be potential Democratic flips if the Democrats invested enough in them.


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: Sol on February 25, 2016, 02:50:37 PM
Great post!

Seems high cost low reward for the national party to invest in a state like Alaska, but it's obvious that it's shifting on its own somewhat as it grows more cosmopolitan and the Natives start voting.

The Natives have been voting; just less heavily for the Democrats than presently.


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: SingingAnalyst on February 25, 2016, 03:19:04 PM
AK is definitely in play for Dems. With today's sharply divided, close elections, every EV counts.


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: hurricanehink on February 25, 2016, 04:41:20 PM
Great post!

Seems high cost low reward for the national party to invest in a state like Alaska, but it's obvious that it's shifting on its own somewhat as it grows more cosmopolitan and the Natives start voting.
Thank! I know Begich heavily courted the native vote, perhaps that helped him despite an otherwise terrible night for Democrats.


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on February 25, 2016, 04:48:40 PM
I remember polls in 2008 showing Alaska being competetive until Palin was tapped by McCain. It was still a longshot, tho.


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: Orser67 on February 25, 2016, 05:24:55 PM
For presidential elections, Alaska is basically irrelevant. A 3 EV state with a PVI of R+12 doesn't deserve a huge investment. But for Senate elections, states like Alaska (and Montana, the Dakotas, Indiana, and Missouri) that have shown a willingness to elect Democrats are critical. With the decline of Southern Democrats, the party really need to expand beyond blue and even swing states if they want to keep up with the GOP in the Senate.


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: RINO Tom on February 25, 2016, 09:50:08 PM
Great post!

Seems high cost low reward for the national party to invest in a state like Alaska, but it's obvious that it's shifting on its own somewhat as it grows more cosmopolitan and the Natives start voting.

Hardly a sign of growing Democratic percentage ... especially considering the cosmopolitan areas in Alaska are more Republican than the rural areas.

Not everywhere is Virginia or North Carolina, though we only seem to focus on those places because their "switching" has a lot more electoral significance.  I was reading a great article the other day about how Arkansas' growth has directly resulted in increased Republican strength, and the fastest growing areas are heavily Republican metropolitan areas that (even by the mid-2000s) were starting to exert their power over the more traditionally Democratic countryside.


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: Asian Nazi on February 26, 2016, 01:27:58 AM
Great post!

Seems high cost low reward for the national party to invest in a state like Alaska, but it's obvious that it's shifting on its own somewhat as it grows more cosmopolitan and the Natives start voting.

Hardly a sign of growing Democratic percentage ... especially considering the cosmopolitan areas in Alaska are more Republican than the rural areas.

Not everywhere is Virginia or North Carolina, though we only seem to focus on those places because their "switching" has a lot more electoral significance.  I was reading a great article the other day about how Arkansas' growth has directly resulted in increased Republican strength, and the fastest growing areas are heavily Republican metropolitan areas that (even by the mid-2000s) were starting to exert their power over the more traditionally Democratic countryside.

It also helps that all the white Arkansas Democrats literally died.


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: Adam Griffin on May 06, 2016, 01:04:32 AM
Alaska definitely needs investment, and it frankly wouldn't take all that much to reach maximum saturation in terms of effect.

Worth noting: Alaska is the only swing to swing Democratic in the past three elections.

2000: Bush +30.95
2004: Bush +25.55
2008: McCain +21.53
2012: Romney +13.99

Something is definitely going on. You're already at the point where Democrats can play in Senatorial elections; the fact that Begich won in the first place - and then lost by only 2 points in a midterm wave - should be all the justification in the world needed for consistent infrastructure to be put into place.


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: Young Conservative on May 06, 2016, 11:30:31 PM
It isn't worth it electorally for democratic to invest money and they care about the constitution and liberty. Never a democrat state.


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: Virginiá on May 07, 2016, 12:39:30 AM
It isn't worth it electorally for democratic to invest money and they care about the constitution and liberty. Never a democrat state.

During 1933 - 1994, Democrats had significant control over the Alaskan government for a large part of that time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_party_strength_in_Alaska

All states all follow various trends and right now it's red up there with what appears to be a blue trend that has been developing for years now. There are reasons for this. So why the insult?


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: Goldwater on May 09, 2016, 11:08:40 AM
Investing in Alaska seems like a high cost low reward strategy right now, but after few more elections I wouldn't be surprised if it become a Democratic equivalent to West Virginia anyway.


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: ag on May 09, 2016, 01:38:48 PM
The key word: Murkowski. The investment into Alaska, should be done through her/them.


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: Sumner 1868 on May 09, 2016, 02:57:45 PM
It isn't worth it electorally for democratic to invest money and they care about the constitution and liberty. Never a democrat state.

During 1933 - 1994, Democrats had significant control over the Alaskan government for a large part of that time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_party_strength_in_Alaska

All states all follow various trends and right now it's red up there with what appears to be a blue trend that has been developing for years now. There are reasons for this. So why the insult?

You can really see a great increase in red on that list after ANWR.


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: ElectionsGuy on May 09, 2016, 04:24:27 PM
Alaska definitely needs investment, and it frankly wouldn't take all that much to reach maximum saturation in terms of effect.

Worth noting: Alaska is the only swing to swing Democratic in the past three elections.

2000: Bush +30.95
2004: Bush +25.55
2008: McCain +21.53
2012: Romney +13.99

Something is definitely going on. You're already at the point where Democrats can play in Senatorial elections; the fact that Begich won in the first place - and then lost by only 2 points in a midterm wave - should be all the justification in the world needed for consistent infrastructure to be put into place.

He was the perfect fit for an Alaska Democrat with a very, very strong campaign, while Sullivan is your generic R. He won in the first place after the incumbent was indicted. Not exactly typical scenarios.

I would wait to see another election to see if it could be in play. I do think it is Likely R for a reason though.


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: henster on May 09, 2016, 04:42:28 PM
As long as AK has oil it will be a challenging state to win.


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: Boston Bread on May 09, 2016, 06:07:36 PM
Investing AK would be more reward than commonly thought since having 2 senate seats for relatively little cost is always yuge.


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: RINO Tom on May 09, 2016, 07:29:40 PM
The key word: Murkowski. The investment into Alaska, should be done through her/them.

You're going to win Alaska by touting one of its Republicans?


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: sg0508 on May 30, 2016, 05:16:41 PM
While Nixon wasted precious time with trips to HI/AK in 1960, JFK and Co. went hardcore at NY, PA, TX, MO IL and MI over and over and over.  And, we know what the result was.

Even in 2004, when polls showed that HI may actually be halfway competitive, Bush's team made the mistake of sending people out there.  For four EVs, it wasn't worth it.  '04 was going to be won/lost with the same states that won/lost 2000, adding OH obviously to that mix.

In '16, the Democrats won't win/lose because of AK's three EVs. They will win/lose from the same states that have defined the road to 270 over the last few cycles. 


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: Kingpoleon on May 30, 2016, 07:55:30 PM
It would be pretty interesting if she put Begich on the ticket. That's a dark horse name, and he has quite a bit of appeal to the left-libertarians in states like AK, MT and the like.


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: ag on May 30, 2016, 09:20:57 PM
The key word: Murkowski. The investment into Alaska, should be done through her/them.

You're going to win Alaska by touting one of its Republicans?

Independent Republican :) Party lables might get even more fluid this time.


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: Dr. Arch on June 05, 2016, 01:22:32 AM
I hope this happens someday. My partner and I have been heavily considering moving to a less populous state, and Alaska is up there for us just in terms of sheer beauty and weather. Maybe in a decade or so, who knows? Some good points have been made that it's been swinging very hard towards D.


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: Dr. Arch on June 07, 2016, 01:30:25 AM
Think it could flip with Trump as the head of the GOP ticket?


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: LLR on June 07, 2016, 06:04:36 AM
Think it could flip with Trump as the head of the GOP ticket?

Maybe if Palin campaigns for him...


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: Young Conservative on June 10, 2016, 09:53:11 PM
Begich was Part of a dynasty and benefited from the later debunked falsehoods of corruption spewed against Ted Stevens.A massive injustice was done to senator stevens by the media and his opponents.


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: Fuzzy Bear on June 12, 2016, 09:41:19 PM
While Nixon wasted precious time with trips to HI/AK in 1960, JFK and Co. went hardcore at NY, PA, TX, MO IL and MI over and over and over.  And, we know what the result was.

Even in 2004, when polls showed that HI may actually be halfway competitive, Bush's team made the mistake of sending people out there.  For four EVs, it wasn't worth it.  '04 was going to be won/lost with the same states that won/lost 2000, adding OH obviously to that mix.

In '16, the Democrats won't win/lose because of AK's three EVs. They will win/lose from the same states that have defined the road to 270 over the last few cycles. 

The American electorate was much more elastic in 1960 than it is today.


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: Kingpoleon on June 12, 2016, 09:47:29 PM
Begich was Part of a dynasty and benefited from the later debunked falsehoods of corruption spewed against Ted Stevens.A massive injustice was done to senator stevens by the media and his opponents.
Which is why conservative idol Dan Sullivan barely beat him in a wave year.

/s


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: Podgy the Bear on June 17, 2016, 02:31:33 PM
Spending some time, money, and effort would be very helpful to the Democrats in the long run.  Eventually flipping two Senate seats in small states such as Alaska would pay big dividends.


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: LLR on June 17, 2016, 02:46:02 PM
Rural Alaska is still too conservative to be competitive in midterm years, but the senate seats may be worth it.


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: LLR on June 17, 2016, 03:03:05 PM
Rural Alaska is still too conservative to be competitive in midterm years, but the senate seats may be worth it.

Isn't rural Alaska heavily Democratic?

Northern (and to a lesser extent Western) Alaska isn't.


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: cinyc on June 17, 2016, 03:22:51 PM
Rural Alaska is still too conservative to be competitive in midterm years, but the senate seats may be worth it.

Isn't rural Alaska heavily Democratic?

Northern (and to a lesser extent Western) Alaska isn't.

The heavily Republican parts of Alaska are exurban or railbelt quasi-rural - Mat-Su Borough north of Anchorage, and Kenai Peninsula Borough to its south (but the bulk of its population is far from Anchorage).  Bush Alaska off the railbelt tends to vote Democratic, and has been trending away from Republicans.  North Slope Borough might be one of the relatively more Republican areas of the Bush, but it still generally votes for Democrats.  And, compared to the rest of the state, very few people live there, anyway.


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: RINO Tom on June 17, 2016, 03:46:03 PM
Yeah, I was under the impression that AK was like MN in that its rural areas voted well to the left of its suburban ones.


Title: Re: Alaska?
Post by: cinyc on June 17, 2016, 06:54:29 PM
Yeah, I was under the impression that AK was like MN in that its rural areas voted well to the left of its suburban ones.

It depends on which rural areas you are referring to.  The off-the-railbelt bush of largely Eskimo towns accessible only by air generally votes Democratic.  Ruralish areas on the road system, like the Southeast Fairbanks Census Area, are more Republican.  Most people in those ruralish areas are whites who live in small towns like Delta Junction.