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Title: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: muon2 on May 15, 2005, 02:44:37 PM
The combination of charges from Chicago Ald. Mell and scandal in the states main purchasing agency have led to grand jury subpoenas, as reported today by the Chicago Sun Times (http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-feud15s1.html). The corruption charges are lapping at the Governor's door.

New poll numbers are on the front page of this morning's Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0505150273may15,1,6836169.story?coll=chi-news-hed) along with their report of the subpoenas. This mirrors the SUSA results from last week. The numbers have dropped, even in Democratic strongholds.
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Still, polling from Blagojevich's first six months in office to the present has shown the percentage of voters who classify Blagojevich as an "excellent" or "good" leader has fallen from 51 percent to 33 percent. Those who consider him to be "only fair" or a "poor" leader has risen sharply, from 34 percent to 61 percent during the same time period. Even in Chicago, his home political base, 51 percent found him to be, at best, only a fairly effective leader.

Blagojevich is looking more vulnerable with each passing week.


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: The Dowager Mod on May 15, 2005, 02:48:01 PM
Who was the last gov to not have a scandal in ill?


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: muon2 on May 15, 2005, 03:03:54 PM
Who was the last gov to not have a scandal in ill?

Jim Edgar is regarded to be scandal free. He did have a campaign contributor convicted of fraud and bribery, but none of it ever stuck to Edgar or his staff. His reputation is the reason his name is now be circulated in the media as a possible contender. The public really does want a candidate above the IL-politics-as-usual game.


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: King on May 15, 2005, 03:29:37 PM
Between the Governors, Chicago Mayors, and the White Sox, Illinois is one corrupt bitch.


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: No more McShame on May 17, 2005, 11:27:56 PM
Keyes might actually crack 30% against him!


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: BobOMac2k2 on May 18, 2005, 09:55:40 PM
Keyes might actually crack 30% against him!

I hope that's who they nominate...

Anyways I'm not worried about this. Oberwies (sp) isn't going to be able to pull off a win and neither is Topinka. And they are going to be the front runners, so no matter what Rod will win this.


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: muon2 on May 18, 2005, 10:59:27 PM
Keyes might actually crack 30% against him!

I hope that's who they nominate...

Anyways I'm not worried about this. Oberwies (sp) isn't going to be able to pull off a win and neither is Topinka. And they are going to be the front runners, so no matter what Rod will win this.

I doubt the IL GOP will self-immolate this time. They are far more focussed after the 2004 thrashing. If a solid candidate comes through the primary, it will come down to turnout. There's a lot of Democratic discontent with the Gov. Right now, the question has to be who will work the turnout for Rod?


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: TB on May 22, 2005, 01:35:06 PM
It's pretty clear that Illinoisans have grown dissatisfied with Blagojevich, the question is, as already stated, whether or not the Illinois Republicans will be able to pull them selves together, otherwise Blagojevich will win a second term. It seems like the land of Lincoln has more or less become the land of the democrats.


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: muon2 on May 22, 2005, 03:57:03 PM
It's pretty clear that Illinoisans have grown dissatisfied with Blagojevich, the question is, as already stated, whether or not the Illinois Republicans will be able to pull them selves together, otherwise Blagojevich will win a second term. It seems like the land of Lincoln has more or less become the land of the democrats.

Welcome to the forum. How long were you in Geneva?


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: TB on May 23, 2005, 11:51:39 AM
Thanks. I lived in Geneva for a year. It’s an ok place. A very pretty town, but some of the people seemed kind of reserved. Batavia and St. Charles seemed a little more “funky”, but overall I enjoyed living in Geneva.


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: ill ind on June 02, 2005, 03:22:52 PM
  This is one of those quiet sleeper toss-ups out there.  I don't think the media or most political observers have caught onto how much Blagoofovich is really disliked in the state.
  Truthfully, I can't call this one right now.  The guv definitely has an advantage in terms of money, but if the state Republican party nominates someone who is reasonably pallatable to middle of the road voters and manages to not self destruct before Nov 2006, then I think Rod-o is in for some serious trouble.  The Dems sure messed up electing this guy.  In my opinion Paul Vallas would have been a much much better governor.

Ill Ind


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: BobOMac2k2 on June 13, 2005, 02:04:38 AM
I really hope our Comp runs against Rod...


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: muon2 on June 19, 2005, 02:27:43 AM
Here's another poll result as quoted by Rich Miller of the Capitol Fax:

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Yet another statewide survey shows big trouble for Governor Rod Blagojevich.

The Glengariff Group's poll of 600 registered Illinois voters found Treasurer Judy Baar Topinka leading Blagojevich 33-31. This particular question had a margin of error of +/-4 percent, so there is a 69 percent probability that the result is not simply due to sampling error. The poll also asked which way voters were leaning, and Topinka still led 39-36. The poll was taken June 2-4, after the legislative session ended and the governor had received his first positive media coverage in months.

The poll found that 38 percent identified themselves as Democrats, so in both questions, the governor wasn't even getting all of the Democratic vote. 29 percent said they were Republicans, 27 percent said they were independents.

The Glengariff Group is based in Chicago, but has done a lot of work in Michigan. The pollster was doing a statewide survey for a client, and "I threw a few political questions onto the survey -- more for my own curiosity than anything," explained pollster Richard Czuba in an e-mail last week. Czuba stressed that the questions were "not commissioned" by any campaign.

The poll also surveyed Democratic primary voters and discovered that Attorney General Lisa Madigan is tied with Blagojevich 31-31 with 21 percent undecided. When "leaners" were factored in, Blagojevich led Madigan 39-38.

This is the first time that a pollster has released details of a Democratic primary head-to-head, but the margin of error is so high - 6.5 percent - that the results are not exactly solid. Madigan is not a likely candidate, despite all the rumors to the contrary, however. She just had a new baby and is young enough that she can wait for a relatively clear shot at the Democratic primary.

The survey of Republican primary voters had an even higher margin of error - 7.4 percent - but it had Topinka leading the field with 18 percent, or 25 percent if you count those who said they were leaning towards her. Dairy magnate Jim Oberweis was in second place at 15 percent (16 percent with leaners), Congressman Ray LaHood was at 9 percent (10 with leaners), state Sen. Steve Rauschenberger was at 3 percent (4 with leaners) and Ron Gidwitz was trailing the pack with 1 percent (1 with leaners).

The pollster didn't pit any other GOP candidate against Blagojevich, which has the Topinka campaign a bit upset. They strongly believe that crossover Democratic voters and Democrat-leaning independents are the key to winning the general election, and maintain that the other GOP candidates wouldn't have fared as well in head-to-head with Blagojevich.

A spokesman for Rauschenberger had a different take.

"The polls right now are almost strictly a reflection of name ID, something that tends to even out over the life of a campaign, at least among principal contenders," wrote Dan Proft, a Rauschenberger advisor, in an e-mail.

Proft contended that Topinka, "a 30-year GOP office holder with 75% hard name ID," scoring just 18 percent in a GOP primary and finding herself in a "statistical dead heat" with Oberweis, "a guy who has made a name for himself by stepping all over himself in two statewide runs," is, "not particularly compelling."

Proft also claimed that Topinka's strong head-to-head results against Blagojevich are merely a function of the governor's own lousy numbers.

Proft makes some good points, but Rauschenberger just ran a statewide race for US Senate last year, coming in third in the Republican primary. Despite all that effort, to score just 3 percent in the governor's primary race is far from "compelling."

But let's take Proft's side for a moment and look at the governor's numbers by themselves, ignoring the Topinka results.

The governor scored just 51 percent in Chicago - a Democratic bastion. He should be at 75 percent, at least. Suburban Cook County, which has trended more and more Democratic for years, also had bad news. The governor was winning just 37 percent there.

Just 20 percent supported Blagojevich in the suburban "collar counties," which is a pitiful result. Only 27 percent backed him in southern Illinois. And a paltry 17 percent of central Illinois residents said they'd vote for the governor.

The governor's campaign claims he has raised at least $14 million so far for his re-election campaign. He'll need a lot more to turn these numbers around.

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Rich Miller also publishes Capitol Fax, a daily political newsletter. He can be reached at capitolfax.blogspot.com.


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 19, 2005, 02:36:50 AM
I haven't given this race that much attention but recently, I've started noticing how these Midwest Gubernatorial elections (Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan) might end up being GOP pickups along with the possibility of Illinois. I've also noticed the amount of Republican candidates who are risking their careers (LaHood, Topinka, Rauschenberger) to run for this office. I never though Blagojevich would be in this much trouble.

Is he really that vulnerable or is it a PA situation (where the right candidate is needed to make it a close race)?


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: muon2 on June 19, 2005, 03:25:05 AM
I haven't given this race that much attention but recently, I've started noticing how these Midwest Gubernatorial elections (Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan) might end up being GOP pickups along with the possibility of Illinois. I've also noticed the amount of Republican candidates who are risking their careers (LaHood, Topinka, Rauschenberger) to run for this office. I never though Blagojevich would be in this much trouble.

Is he really that vulnerable or is it a PA situation (where the right candidate is needed to make it a close race)?

The national media has generally missed the level of dissatisfaction felt here in IL. Part was due to excellent media control during the first couple of years of this administration, but the lack of substance is wearing thin. It's not merely my political bias, many Dems in the state would like a better candidate, as witnessed in this quote:
I really hope our Comp runs against Rod...

Even so, it's a difficult pick up. The state GOP is still recovering from the disasters of the last few years. If the party becomes united around a winning candidate, and there is no big issue to motivate voters in Chicago, the contest could get tight.


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: ThePrezMex on June 20, 2005, 05:30:55 PM
What about Rahm Emanuel??
I really don't know much about Illinois politics, but as an outsider Emanuel could sound somewhat attractive; and I guess he would have the full support of the Clintons? Which is Emanuel's district?
Comments? (I really don't have much idea).


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on June 20, 2005, 05:36:13 PM
Boring. In Ohio, there's a massive Coin scandal that seems to have given taxpayer money to the Bush campaign. Gray Davis looks popular compared to Governor Taft's 19-74 approval rating.


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: muon2 on June 20, 2005, 11:23:23 PM
What about Rahm Emanuel??
I really don't know much about Illinois politics, but as an outsider Emanuel could sound somewhat attractive; and I guess he would have the full support of the Clintons? Which is Emanuel's district?
Comments? (I really don't have much idea).

Emanuel seems to be concentrating efforts on the IL Cong. delegation. His IL-5 seat is safe on the NW side of Chicago (Rostenkowski's old district, and where I was born) into the Cook suburbs south of O'Hare. He's trying to help Bean hold her seat in IL-8, for instance. His background is not strong in IL politics outside of Chicago.


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: FerrisBueller86 on June 21, 2005, 12:18:56 AM
I was born and raised in the Chicago area (Palos Hills).  I also lived in Palatine in 1997-2000.  It's been 5 years since I left, but I STILL know Illinois politics better than Virginia and Iowa politics.

I remember when Blagojevich was first elected as the Congressman of the 5th Congressional District and ended its two years of Republican representation.

This politically hampered Blagojevich you talk about sounds NOTHING like the Blagojevich I remember.  I remember him as the charismatic leader who was elected as the representative of the area where he had been delivering pizzas just a few years earlier.  Now he's sounding like Gray Davis or George Pataki.

Any chance of a Democratic primary challenge?  Remember that Carol Mosely Braun unseated Senator Alan Dixon in the 1992 primary.  If Blagojevich is so unpopular, perhaps another Democrat can replace him, rather than let the Republicans rise from the dead and pick up a governor's seat.


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: BobOMac2k2 on July 04, 2005, 04:36:41 PM
Who just recently announced their candidacy. Oberwies and some other guy...who was he.


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: muon2 on July 04, 2005, 09:27:08 PM
Who just recently announced their candidacy. Oberwies and some other guy...who was he.

Ron Gidwitz announced recently. He is a former chairman of the state Board of Education and former president and CEO of Helene Curtis.

I spent this morning in the major parade of our area. A number of the Republican gubernatorial hopefuls were on hand for the walk. In addition to Gidwitz and Oberweis, there were Rauschenberger, LaHood, Brady and Birkett. Rauschenberger was in a smaller parade with me yesterday as well.


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: ill ind on July 05, 2005, 11:54:07 AM
  I believe that this race is wide open.  There are three things coming up that could determine it.

1.) Continuing investigation into the Balgojevich administration.  From now until Nov 2006 is an eternity in politics and who knows what scandal could be turned up that will toast the present gov.

2.) The upcoming George Ryan trial.  This September starts the corruption trial of former Republican governor George Ryan.  This surely will command some headlines in the Illinois media market and will surely remind voters why they tossed the GOP out of the governor's office after 26 years to begin with.  I doubt any new surprises will come out of this, but who knows.

3.) The uncanny ability for the Illinois GOP to shoot itself in the foot.  No one could have scripted or made up the craziness of the last election in the Illinois GOP.  In the first post, it is stated that the party is really focussed on recapturing the governor's chair.  This may be true, but we'll all see how much of that focus remains among conservatives, if a moderate is nominated and vise versa.

All in all it will be a interesting year to watch.

Ill Ind


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: ill ind on July 05, 2005, 03:53:47 PM
  Continuing on with what I wrote before:

I believe one of the big things that caused the Illinois GOP's self immolation in 2004 was the fact that in the open race for the Senate seat, in the primary you had 15 candidates between the two major parties, of which I bleive 8 were multi-millionares who had never held public office before.  The Democrats did not nominate one of these individuals--in fact Blair Hull who had dumped 10 million plus of his own money into the Democratic race self immolated before the primary when his divorce records came out.  The Republicans did nominate one of the millionares in Jack Ryan even though questions were already swirling about his previous divorce.  (Divorce records don't meand a big deal IMHO, but they become fodder in political races so that's why I'm mentioning them.)  This caused Ryan's campaign to implode after he was already the GOP nominee.

The reason that I bring this all up, is that the two already declared GOP candidates for governor are in the category of multimillionare with no previous political post held.  Granted Oberweiss has already run and lost twice statewide so he is somewhat of a known quantity.

I think if the Illinois GOP were smart, they'd do well to keep away from the multimillionare self-financing candidates who have never held political office.

Rod Blagojevich is a known quantity.  The Illinois GOP would be safer to face him with another known quantity, not some multimillionare who has never faced the scrutiny of running for public office before.

Ill Ind


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: BobOMac2k2 on July 07, 2005, 12:53:05 AM
GOP wants Jim Edgar. I really think that's the only way they can unseat Rod this round.


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: muon2 on July 13, 2005, 04:45:43 PM
Survey USA has Rod mired in the upper 30% range for approval with their July release (http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=14d48660-d260-4f17-bd9b-45f765841968).

There has been little change since May:

May: 36-54 approve-disapprove
June:  37-56 approve-disapprove
July: 38-55 approve-disapprove

Democrats only favor him 55-36%, and even Hispanics are disapproving 54-39%. Various IL blogs are full of Dems begging for a primary challenge, but no one wants to step in against the Guv's war chest.


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 13, 2005, 04:52:22 PM
Governor Topinka or Governor LaHood? What does everyone want?  :)

I remember seeing some highlights from Rod's 2002 debates. I really dislike him. Hopefully, he gets taken down.


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: RJ on July 13, 2005, 09:51:18 PM
As interesting as this race sounds, I still don't think it even comes close to the potential disaster looming for the GOP here in Ohio. I can't quite put my finger on it but I'm hereing two different stories: Democrats are saying don't worry about Blagojevich while Republicans are unearthing all kinds of muck and poll data.

Even if Blagojevich goes down, the Illinois state legislature is still going to be Democratic. I supoose I'd have to say based on what I'm reading and what I've heard(my brother lives in Chicago)there's a 51-49 chance he keeps his job with virtually no chance of the state house changing hands. It's about 70-30 likely the Democrats get into the state capitol here in Ohio, but 70-30 likely the GOP keeps the state, although I think they will lose some seats.

The GOP is to Illinois is the Democratic party is to Ohio...


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: BobOMac2k2 on July 14, 2005, 02:54:32 AM
Does anyone know if Jim Edgar is even considering?

And I really think his odds are a lot better.

He may not be liked, but republicans certainly won't nominate anyone worth liking.


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: BobOMac2k2 on August 09, 2005, 10:59:01 PM
I heard that Jimmy is actually considering a run for Gov.

I really hope he does so I don't feel like I was forced to vote for Roddy.


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: muon2 on August 09, 2005, 11:46:23 PM
I heard that Jimmy is actually considering a run for Gov.

I really hope he does so I don't feel like I was forced to vote for Roddy.

It's been rumored that Topinka hadn't announced yet waiting for a potential announment from Edgar. The Chicago Sun Times reports similar talk yesterday from LaHood.

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U.S. Rep. Ray LaHood said Monday he is delaying his decision on whether to run for governor after talking to former GOP Gov. Jim Edgar, whom the Peoria Republican believes could enter the race.

"I think he might run," LaHood said. "I am sort of in a political limbo at the moment."

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As for LaHood, he had signaled that he would be making up his mind this month whether he would run for governor or seek another term in Congress. But on Monday LaHood said he spoke with Edgar last week, and the former governor told him "I think you should just hold off" before making any decisions.

The former governor said he was "thinking about" running again but did not plan on making any decisions until mid-September, LaHood said.

"There is plenty of time," LaHood said Edgar told him.

LaHood also said from discussions he is having with constituents, "the majority of people in my district want me to stay where I'm at."



Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 10, 2005, 02:29:33 AM
Will Keyes run, or did he move back to MD already?


Title: Re: More bad news for IL Gov
Post by: BobOMac2k2 on August 10, 2005, 05:54:43 AM
Sadly, no he has not.