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Title: Alaska: the new Montana
Post by: illegaloperation on August 08, 2013, 11:34:00 AM
Alaska could be the new Montana.

Alaska is more elastic than Montana and like Montana, Alaska has 3 electoral votes.

Alaska is also fast moving to the left due to immigration of liberal residents.

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The state where President Obama most improved his performance from 2008 was Alaska. He lost it by “only” 14 percentage points this year, considerably less than his 22-point margin of defeat in 2008.

Part of the reason is that the former governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin, was on the Republican ticket in 2008 but was not this year. That probably doesn’t explain all of the shift, however.

Consider that in 2000 — also without Ms. Palin on the ballot — the Democratic nominee, Al Gore, lost Alaska by 31 points.

There are reasons to think that Alaska could continue to become more competitive in the coming years.

One factor is that Alaska’s vote is quite elastic, meaning that it can shift quite a bit from year to year. In 2008, 43 percent of voters in Alaska identified themselves as independents on the exit poll, among the highest percentages in the country. (There was no exit polling in Alaska in 2012.)

Of the remaining voters in the state, far more were Republicans (37 percent) than Democrats (20 percent), meaning that a Republican candidate will ordinarily have a clear advantage if the independent vote is split about evenly. But the right sort of Democrat, who wins the majority of independents, can be competitive there, and indeed some Democrats (like Alaska’s Democratic senator, Mark Begich) can win statewide office there under the right conditions.

Alaska’s population is also changing; between 2010 and 2011, Alaska had the third-highest population growth rate in the country, trailing only Texas and Utah.

Where are those new Alaskans coming from? Many are from liberal states on the West Coast. Between 2005 and 2009, about 4,300 Californians moved to Alaska per year, making it the top state for domestic emigration to Alaska. So did 4,200 residents per year from Washington and 2,200 from Oregon.

Texas, from which about 2,700 people emigrated to Alaska each year, also ranked high on the list, perhaps in part because of each state’s ties to the fossil fuels industry (along with Texas’ large population). But the new residents of Alaska are most likely considerably more liberal than the rest of the state’s population, over all.

On cultural issues, Alaska already resembles other Pacific Coast states in certain respects. Only about half of Alaska’s adults say that religion is an important part of their everyday lives, which is among the lowest rates in the country (and similar to those in Washington and Oregon).

On economic affairs, Alaska is considerably more conservative. And Democrats will encounter some friction in the state so long as they are perceived as opposing the interests of the oil and natural gas industries, which are essential to the economy there.

If the Democratic nominee in 2016 is someone like Hillary Rodham Clinton, who embraces a relatively traditional Democratic agenda, she will have better places to compete.

But a Democrat who was perceived as being of the center-left or the libertarian left, especially one from a western state like Colorado’s governor, John W. Hickenlooper, could conceivably be competitive in Alaska. And if Alaska continues to add population from states like California and Washington, it could be competitive on a more regular basis in 2020 and going forward.

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Title: Re: Alaska: the new Montana
Post by: ElectionsGuy on August 08, 2013, 01:38:16 PM
There are a lot of reasons to think Alaska could have democratic potential, its just not ready yet though. For one thing, Obama did really well with Native Alaskans along with all the other minority groups and also did better with whites, all demographic trends that could be temporary. According to my ranking system (where I rank states from Solid, Strong, Weak) Alaska went from Solid to Strong from 2008 to 2012. Alaska has been solid for some time, and this trend needs to be kept an eye on in the coming years to be validated as a ongoing trend. Although we can assume influx from liberal states will tilt the state more democratic, its not a safe assumption. Just because they're coming from liberal states doesn't mean that they themselves are going to liberal.

I disagree with your concept that Alaska is the new Montana however. I did a recent thread on why Montana is probably moving to the right and you rejected it. Montana and Alaska were about the same in 2012 results but the have very different characteristics. Alaska could be moving in a liberal direction, but as I mentioned above its certainly not ready to be a swing state. Its very hard for an Alaska democrat to get >50% of the vote right now, and Mark Begich almost acheived that goal in 2008, we'll see if he can do it in 2014.


Title: Re: Alaska: the new Montana
Post by: TNF on August 08, 2013, 01:44:22 PM
Alaska also has the third highest union density in the country.


Title: Re: Alaska: the new Montana
Post by: barfbag on August 08, 2013, 02:49:06 PM
We already have a thread about this. Alaska is too big and has far too much elbow space to ever be contested by either party. It's twice the size of Montana. You mean to tell me that either party is going to spend time and spend money traveling there for 3 Electoral votes? It doesn't have the terrain to become like Delaware or Vermont and the sizes aren't comparable. I see it becoming light red and purplish red if Democrats win by enough. We probably all agree that Alaska will never be a toss up. What else we should agree on is Alaska's trend must continue for this to happen.


Title: Re: Alaska: the new Montana
Post by: illegaloperation on August 08, 2013, 04:02:41 PM
We already have a thread about this. Alaska is too big and has far too much elbow space to ever be contested by either party. It's twice the size of Montana. You mean to tell me that either party is going to spend time and spend money traveling there for 3 Electoral votes? It doesn't have the terrain to become like Delaware or Vermont and the sizes aren't comparable. I see it becoming light red and purplish red if Democrats win by enough. We probably all agree that Alaska will never be a toss up. What else we should agree on is Alaska's trend must continue for this to happen.

Alaska may be large in area, but the heavily populated area is not all that spread out.

Also, Montana like Alaska has 3 EV, yet Obama campaigned there in 2008 anyway.

I do agree that if the Democratic nominee wins Alaska, he (or she) would have already gotten 270 EV without it anyway.

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Title: Re: Alaska: the new Montana
Post by: illegaloperation on August 08, 2013, 04:04:31 PM
There are a lot of reasons to think Alaska could have democratic potential, its just not ready yet though. For one thing, Obama did really well with Native Alaskans along with all the other minority groups and also did better with whites, all demographic trends that could be temporary. According to my ranking system (where I rank states from Solid, Strong, Weak) Alaska went from Solid to Strong from 2008 to 2012. Alaska has been solid for some time, and this trend needs to be kept an eye on in the coming years to be validated as a ongoing trend. Although we can assume influx from liberal states will tilt the state more democratic, its not a safe assumption. Just because they're coming from liberal states doesn't mean that they themselves are going to liberal.

I disagree with your concept that Alaska is the new Montana however. I did a recent thread on why Montana is probably moving to the right and you rejected it. Montana and Alaska were about the same in 2012 results but the have very different characteristics. Alaska could be moving in a liberal direction, but as I mentioned above its certainly not ready to be a swing state. Its very hard for an Alaska democrat to get >50% of the vote right now, and Mark Begich almost acheived that goal in 2008, we'll see if he can do it in 2014.

OK. So let us assume that Montana is indeed moving to the right and Alaska is moving to the left.

The big bonus is that Alaska is more elastic than Montana.

Won't that make Alaska more ripe for the picking (in Democratic's point of view) than Montana?


Title: Re: Alaska: the new Montana
Post by: barfbag on August 08, 2013, 05:36:02 PM
We already have a thread about this. Alaska is too big and has far too much elbow space to ever be contested by either party. It's twice the size of Montana. You mean to tell me that either party is going to spend time and spend money traveling there for 3 Electoral votes? It doesn't have the terrain to become like Delaware or Vermont and the sizes aren't comparable. I see it becoming light red and purplish red if Democrats win by enough. We probably all agree that Alaska will never be a toss up. What else we should agree on is Alaska's trend must continue for this to happen.

Alaska may be large in area, but the heavily populated area is not all that spread out.

Also, Montana like Alaska has 3 EV, yet Obama campaigned there in 2008 anyway.

I do agree that if the Democratic nominee wins Alaska, he (or she) would have already gotten 270 EV without it anyway.

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Obama campaigning in Montana is not like Alaska. 2008 was a Democratic year and he still lost by a few points. Like I said, purplish red when Democrats win and light red in other elections.


Title: Re: Alaska: the new Montana
Post by: illegaloperation on August 08, 2013, 11:17:10 PM
[Obama campaigning in Montana is not like Alaska. 2008 was a Democratic year and he still lost by a few points. Like I said, purplish red when Democrats win and light red in other elections.

I never said that Alaska will be the deciding state in the presidential election.

I said that it will be like what Montana is now. In other words, competitive at the state level (governor, attorney general, etc.), but only winnable for Democratic presidential candidates in very very favorable years.


Title: Re: Alaska: the new Montana
Post by: barfbag on August 08, 2013, 11:25:30 PM
[Obama campaigning in Montana is not like Alaska. 2008 was a Democratic year and he still lost by a few points. Like I said, purplish red when Democrats win and light red in other elections.

I never said that Alaska will be the deciding state in the presidential election.

I said that it will be like what Montana is now. In other words, competitive at the state level (governor, attorney general, etc.), but only winnable for Democratic presidential candidates in very very favorable years.

Yes I agree unless the trend stops.