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Title: Most painful 2008 ==> 2012 map for you
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on December 29, 2012, 03:12:04 AM
Wisconsin.  Look at all that red vanish!  : (


Title: Re: Most painful 2008 ==> 2012 map for you
Post by: Miles on December 29, 2012, 04:00:26 AM
WV. I felt like some counties that held out in 2008, like Braxton and Webster, should never be lost by a Democrat.

I remember first looking at the WV results on election night and being pretty shocked. I knew Obama would slip, but I wasn't expecting an all-county shutout.


Title: Re: Most painful 2008 ==> 2012 map for you
Post by: JerryArkansas on December 29, 2012, 03:08:45 PM
probably the house races in Arkansas.  I just couldn't believe how bad the democrats fared.


Title: Re: Most painful 2008 ==> 2012 map for you
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on December 29, 2012, 03:27:11 PM
WV. I felt like some counties that held out in 2008, like Braxton and Webster, should never be lost by a Democrat.

I remember first looking at the WV results on election night and being pretty shocked. I knew Obama would slip, but I wasn't expecting an all-county shutout.


The first clue of that was Kentucky; counties that went >60% Kerry were showing as >70% Romney. He nearly even won Elliott! :(

I guess I was disappointed in PA; the GOP's gerrymandering worked really well in the House races (suburban Philly's been sliced into an unholy abomination), and thanks to Romney's last-minute money dump and Obama mostly ignoring the state, it was closer than it should have been.


Title: Re: Most painful 2008 ==> 2012 map for you
Post by: Sol on December 29, 2012, 03:28:06 PM
North Carolina's gubernatorial election.



Title: Re: Most painful 2008 ==> 2012 map for you
Post by: Miles on December 29, 2012, 07:09:45 PM
North Carolina's gubernatorial election.



I think this is more for President, but I agree.

It was inexcusable that McCrory won Columbus and Richmond Counties. The damage along the eatsern coast was especially brutal (given Perdue's unique 2008 strength there). Onslow County went from 50-46 Perdue to 65-33 McCrory. Ouch.

The worse part, IMO, was that his coattails pulled Forrest past the finish line.


Title: Re: Most painful 2008 ==> 2012 map for you
Post by: old timey villain on December 29, 2012, 07:15:38 PM
North Georgia for me haha. These days it's pretty much the reason why Georgia is a red state. If Obama could have performed there as well as he did in Western NC, he would have come closer to winning the state.


Title: Re: Most painful 2008 ==> 2012 map for you
Post by: Sol on December 29, 2012, 07:40:31 PM
North Carolina's gubernatorial election.



I think this is more for President, but I agree.

It was inexcusable that McCrory won Columbus and Richmond Counties. The damage along the eatsern coast was especially brutal (given Perdue's unique 2008 strength there). Onslow County went from 50-46 Perdue to 65-33 McCrory. Ouch.

The worse part, IMO, was that his coattails pulled Forrest past the finish line.
It's more depressing for me because:
      -Obama won in the end, whereas Dalton didn't;
      -McCrory will probably end up being a rubber stamp for the tea party General Assembly
      -McCrory has appointed Art Pope as the budget writer!!!


Title: Re: Most painful 2008 ==> 2012 map for you
Post by: hopper on December 30, 2012, 05:43:11 PM
North Carolina's gubernatorial election.



I think this is more for President, but I agree.

It was inexcusable that McCrory won Columbus and Richmond Counties. The damage along the eatsern coast was especially brutal (given Perdue's unique 2008 strength there). Onslow County went from 50-46 Perdue to 65-33 McCrory. Ouch.

The worse part, IMO, was that his coattails pulled Forrest past the finish line.
It's more depressing for me because:
      -Obama won in the end, whereas Dalton didn't;
      -McCrory will probably end up being a rubber stamp for the tea party General Assembly
      -McCrory has appointed Art Pope as the budget writer!!!
I live in NJ not NC but I saw the debate between McCrory and Dalton on C-Span. McCrory seems sort of moderate. You seem to think he will be Rick Snyder 2.0 though. There is no way McCrory is as right wing as Rick Scott though in my opinion.


Title: Re: Most painful 2008 ==> 2012 map for you
Post by: Sol on December 30, 2012, 06:27:37 PM
North Carolina's gubernatorial election.



I think this is more for President, but I agree.

It was inexcusable that McCrory won Columbus and Richmond Counties. The damage along the eatsern coast was especially brutal (given Perdue's unique 2008 strength there). Onslow County went from 50-46 Perdue to 65-33 McCrory. Ouch.

The worse part, IMO, was that his coattails pulled Forrest past the finish line.
It's more depressing for me because:
      -Obama won in the end, whereas Dalton didn't;
      -McCrory will probably end up being a rubber stamp for the tea party General Assembly
      -McCrory has appointed Art Pope as the budget writer!!!
I live in NJ not NC but I saw the debate between McCrory and Dalton on C-Span. McCrory seems sort of moderate. You seem to think he will be Rick Snyder 2.0 though. There is no way McCrory is as right wing as Rick Scott though in my opinion.
McCrory doesn't really have a choice. The General Assembly is super-far-right, and they're likely  to pass legislation that advances their agenda. McCrory will probably be forced to sign any piece of wacky legislation, especially as the Republicans have a veto-proof supermajority.

Furthermore, McCrory might not be as moderate as you think. He has appointed Art Pope as Deputy Budget Writer, after all.


Title: Re: Most painful 2008 ==> 2012 map for you
Post by: Blackacre on December 30, 2012, 06:47:13 PM
Missouri. Seeing long-time swing states go firmly into one column is always sorta sad, but usually the Dems benefit from that due to population movement patterns.


Title: Re: Most painful 2008 ==> 2012 map for you
Post by: traininthedistance on December 30, 2012, 07:56:31 PM
The congressional district lines in suburban Philadelphia.


Title: Re: Most painful 2008 ==> 2012 map for you
Post by: NewYorkExpress on December 30, 2012, 09:13:35 PM
Is it sad that as a Democrat I'm upset that the GOP can't manage to run a caucus properly?
Iowa, Maine both "finding" delegates and votes for Romney(Maine) or not being able to count the votes(Iowa)... makes wonder if the 2012 GOP race was rigged...


Title: Re: Most painful 2008 ==> 2012 map for you
Post by: timothyinMD on December 31, 2012, 04:37:10 PM
Is it sad that as a Democrat I'm upset that the GOP can't manage to run a caucus properly?
Iowa, Maine both "finding" delegates and votes for Romney(Maine) or not being able to count the votes(Iowa)... makes wonder if the 2012 GOP race was rigged...

Coming from someone whose state couldn't count 400,000 votes until 8 weeks after the election?  That makes me wonder...


Title: Re: Most painful 2008 ==> 2012 map for you
Post by: hopper on December 31, 2012, 06:35:35 PM
North Carolina's gubernatorial election.



I think this is more for President, but I agree.

It was inexcusable that McCrory won Columbus and Richmond Counties. The damage along the eatsern coast was especially brutal (given Perdue's unique 2008 strength there). Onslow County went from 50-46 Perdue to 65-33 McCrory. Ouch.

The worse part, IMO, was that his coattails pulled Forrest past the finish line.
It's more depressing for me because:
      -Obama won in the end, whereas Dalton didn't;
      -McCrory will probably end up being a rubber stamp for the tea party General Assembly
      -McCrory has appointed Art Pope as the budget writer!!!
I live in NJ not NC but I saw the debate between McCrory and Dalton on C-Span. McCrory seems sort of moderate. You seem to think he will be Rick Snyder 2.0 though. There is no way McCrory is as right wing as Rick Scott though in my opinion.
McCrory doesn't really have a choice. The General Assembly is super-far-right, and they're likely  to pass legislation that advances their agenda. McCrory will probably be forced to sign any piece of wacky legislation, especially as the Republicans have a veto-proof supermajority.

Furthermore, McCrory might not be as moderate as you think. He has appointed Art Pope as Deputy Budget Writer, after all.
Nah, I was thinking McCrory could rein in the far right wingers in in the state legislature idealogically. McCrory was the Mayor Of Charlotte for a good amount of time so he does have alot of political experience unlike Scott and Snyder. I do think McCrory maybe wants to be VP or a US Senator sometime so I have a moderate amount of hope that he won't follow the far right wing loons in the state legislature.

I have no idea about Art Pope's political background.


Title: Re: Most painful 2008 ==> 2012 map for you
Post by: Sol on December 31, 2012, 08:03:27 PM
Well, Pope was and is the man behind an enormous conservative ad machine, not unlike the Koch Brothers.


Title: Re: Most painful 2008 ==> 2012 map for you
Post by: memphis on January 01, 2013, 01:18:26 PM
I'm sad to see Berclair, the most overwhelmingly working class white neighborhood in Memphis remain Republican, even with the infusion of many Mexicans. It is, however, the least GOP white neighborhood outside of the "metro" areas in Midtown and Downtown.


Title: Re: Most painful 2008 ==> 2012 map for you
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on January 03, 2013, 02:16:58 PM
It is INEXCUSABLE that GARLAND BARR IV of all people won that congressional seat in Kentucky.

Count on him being a one-termer.


Title: Re: Most painful 2008 ==> 2012 map for you
Post by: Vosem on January 03, 2013, 02:26:57 PM

2014 seems to be shaping up to at least tilt Republican...who do you think will challenge him?


Title: Re: Most painful 2008 ==> 2012 map for you
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on January 03, 2013, 02:43:48 PM
2014 seems to be shaping up to at least tilt Republican...who do you think will challenge him?

Not Ben Chandler, because I think his electoral viability was overstated in the past.


Title: Re: Most painful 2008 ==> 2012 map for you
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on January 03, 2013, 07:19:13 PM
It is INEXCUSABLE that GARLAND BARR IV of all people won that congressional seat in Kentucky.

Count on him being a one-termer.

How much must it hurt that several >60% Kerry/Gore counties gave Obama less than 30% of the vote?


Title: Re: Most painful 2008 ==> 2012 map for you
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on January 03, 2013, 07:21:16 PM
It is INEXCUSABLE that GARLAND BARR IV of all people won that congressional seat in Kentucky.

Count on him being a one-termer.

How much must it hurt that several >60% Kerry/Gore counties gave Obama less than 30% of the vote?

It ain't good, but at least those are shrinking counties.


Title: Re: Most painful 2008 ==> 2012 map for you
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on January 03, 2013, 09:13:22 PM
Why did Elliott in particular hold for Obama? Is it particularly poor, or is there a presence of non-Blue Dog Democrats?


Title: Re: Most painful 2008 ==> 2012 map for you
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on January 03, 2013, 09:14:42 PM
Why did Elliott in particular hold for Obama? Is it particularly poor, or is there a presence of non-Blue Dog Democrats?

It's actually the only rural county in the area that's rapidly growing.


Title: Re: Most painful 2008 ==> 2012 map for you
Post by: Oldiesfreak1854 on January 24, 2013, 09:24:17 AM
I have many, MANY painful results and maps, but maybe the governor's race in New Hampshire.  It was an open seat and closer than the 2010 race, yet Lamontagne managed to lose every county in the state, something the previous GOP nominee avoided.


Title: Re: Most painful 2008 ==> 2012 map for you
Post by: CountryClassSF on January 25, 2013, 04:26:31 PM
Florida's final result/trend lines was most surprising to me because it was all over the place.You had liberal base counties such as Osceola (which has, quite honestly, double-digit trends to Democrats over the last several cycles), Miami-Dade, and Broward trend D.

But, you also had Orange, Palm Beach(!), and strangely enough Volusia trend for Republicans.

Because of poll trends and objectivity to the obvious, I did not expect Mitt Romney to win this election.  But I had predicted an easy Florida win for him because I assumed that the early Palm Beach trends I saw would match in the other blue areas---it did not.

So I'd say that the leftward tilt of Dade County is what lost it for Mitt there


Title: Re: Most painful 2008 ==> 2012 map for you
Post by: politicallefty on January 26, 2013, 02:41:14 AM
This one's really quite easy:

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2012
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There's no map change that's more painful and depressing than that. :(


Title: Re: Most painful 2008 ==> 2012 map for you
Post by: badgate on February 13, 2013, 06:01:19 PM
Is it sad that as a Democrat I'm upset that the GOP can't manage to run a caucus properly?
Iowa, Maine both "finding" delegates and votes for Romney(Maine) or not being able to count the votes(Iowa)... makes wonder if the 2012 GOP race was rigged...

Coming from someone whose state couldn't count 400,000 votes until 8 weeks after the election?  That makes me wonder...

Because New York wasn't hit by a devastating hurricane or anything lol