Title: 2008 - Bush vs. Democrat
Post by: mondale84 on March 16, 2011, 01:59:04 AM
If Bush had run for a third term (if it were possible under the Constitution) what would have been the results given his unpopularity? Would it have been a 40+ state sweep against him? Would he have lost a majority of US counties? Discuss with maps etc.
Title: Re: 2008 - Bush vs. Democrat
Post by: NHI on March 17, 2011, 11:03:35 AM
Hillary vs. Bush
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D: 412
R: 126
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D: 412
R: 126
Title: Re: 2008 - Bush vs. Democrat
Post by: 21st Century Independent on April 09, 2011, 01:50:36 AM
Given that possibility, Bush would have chosen a different VP after 2006 Congressional Victory by Dems to get ready for 2008. Then given his tremendous descent from his mediocre standing, whomever he picked as VP would have run in 08. My thinking is it may have been someone like Tom Ridge with more broad appeal to be competitive.
Title: Re: 2008 - Bush vs. Democrat
Post by: Napoleon on April 13, 2011, 10:16:21 PM
Obama 411 vs Bush 127
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Title: Re: 2008 - Bush vs. Democrat
Post by: America™ on April 19, 2011, 09:07:07 PM
You did say Democrat....
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Bush/Cheney v.s. Michael Moore/ Rosie O'Donnell
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Bush/Cheney v.s. Michael Moore/ Rosie O'Donnell
Title: Re: 2008 - Bush vs. Democrat
Post by: Person Man on May 08, 2011, 03:54:44 PM
You did say Democrat....
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Bush/Cheney v.s. Michael Moore/ Rosie O'Donnell
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Bush/Cheney v.s. Michael Moore/ Rosie O'Donnell
...and for a year hence, no one who truly loved America would eat a salad or drink a wine cooler in public.
Title: Re: 2008 - Bush vs. Democrat
Post by: Jay Roosevelt on June 13, 2011, 01:47:14 AM
You have to assume the democrat would have won every state Obama did and then some. Missouri probably, North Dakota maybe. It's hard for me to imagine Bush carrying many states in the fall of '08 - especially against a more moderate democrat. Maybe against Obama he'd have carried most of McCain's states, but I think even then you'd have to assume he loses at least 2-3 additional states.
Title: Re: 2008 - Bush vs. Democrat
Post by: Del Tachi on June 24, 2011, 06:07:28 PM
Just for kicks!
George W. Bush (R-TX)/Dick Cheney (R-WY)--315 Electoral Votes
Howard Dean (D-VT)/Al Sharpton (D-NY)--223 Electoral Votes
It was the only scenario I could think of where Bush wins by a comfortable margin. If you want a >500 electoral college victory for Bush...just flip the Democratic ticket.
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George W. Bush (R-TX)/Dick Cheney (R-WY)--315 Electoral Votes
Howard Dean (D-VT)/Al Sharpton (D-NY)--223 Electoral Votes
It was the only scenario I could think of where Bush wins by a comfortable margin. If you want a >500 electoral college victory for Bush...just flip the Democratic ticket.
Title: Re: 2008 - Bush vs. Democrat
Post by: Thomas D on June 28, 2011, 06:32:37 PM
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Clinton/Obama- 381
Bush/Cheney- 157
Clinton/Obama- 381
Bush/Cheney- 157
Title: Re: 2008 - Bush vs. Democrat
Post by: DS0816 on June 29, 2011, 06:31:01 PM
If Bush had run for a third term (if it were possible under the Constitution) what would have been the results given his unpopularity? Would it have been a 40+ state sweep against him? Would he have lost a majority of US counties? Discuss with maps etc.
Bush's home state, Cheney's home state, Idaho, Utah, Wyoming and, best performance, Oklahoma. As for the rest of the less than 100 electoral votes … who gives a damn?!
Title: Re: 2008 - Bush vs. Democrat
Post by: redcommander on June 29, 2011, 08:25:01 PM
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Bush/Cheney vs. Clinton/Manchin
Bush would have been lucky to have done as well as Carter in 1980.
Bush/Cheney vs. Clinton/Manchin
Bush would have been lucky to have done as well as Carter in 1980.
Title: Re: 2008 - Bush vs. Democrat
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on June 29, 2011, 08:27:10 PM
Just for kicks!
George W. Bush (R-TX)/Dick Cheney (R-WY)--315 Electoral Votes
Howard Dean (D-VT)/Al Sharpton (D-NY)--223 Electoral Votes
It was the only scenario I could think of where Bush wins by a comfortable margin. If you want a >500 electoral college victory for Bush...just flip the Democratic ticket.
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George W. Bush (R-TX)/Dick Cheney (R-WY)--315 Electoral Votes
Howard Dean (D-VT)/Al Sharpton (D-NY)--223 Electoral Votes
It was the only scenario I could think of where Bush wins by a comfortable margin. If you want a >500 electoral college victory for Bush...just flip the Democratic ticket.
At first I asked why Howard Dean would lose to Bush; he would likely win with Bush being so unpopular. Then I saw Al Sharpton :P. Worst VP pick since, well, Palin.
Title: Re: 2008 - Bush vs. Democrat
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on June 30, 2011, 11:55:23 AM
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Clinton/Obama- 381
Bush/Cheney- 157
Clinton/Obama- 381
Bush/Cheney- 157
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Title: Re: 2008 - Bush vs. Democrat
Post by: Person Man on July 24, 2011, 08:03:04 PM
You have to understand that D turnout would be at least as high as in real life while R turnout, even with Rove's machine, would be even worse than in real life.
My guess-
Election Day Job Approval- 32%
George W. Bush/ Richard B. Cheney PV 42.4% 442 EVs
Barack H. Obama/ Joseph R. Biden PV 56.2% 96 EVs
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Or perhaps there would be some 3rd Party emergining
Election Day Job Approval- 32%
George W. Bush/ Richard B. Cheney PV 36.4% 460 EVs
Barack H. Obama/ Joseph R. Biden PV 54.9% 78 EVs
Ron Paul/Bob Barr PV 7.1% 0 EVs
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My guess-
Election Day Job Approval- 32%
George W. Bush/ Richard B. Cheney PV 42.4% 442 EVs
Barack H. Obama/ Joseph R. Biden PV 56.2% 96 EVs
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Or perhaps there would be some 3rd Party emergining
Election Day Job Approval- 32%
George W. Bush/ Richard B. Cheney PV 36.4% 460 EVs
Barack H. Obama/ Joseph R. Biden PV 54.9% 78 EVs
Ron Paul/Bob Barr PV 7.1% 0 EVs
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Title: Re: 2008 - Bush vs. Democrat
Post by: Dancing with Myself on July 25, 2011, 10:38:39 AM
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Bush/Cheney vs. Clinton/Manchin
Bush would have been lucky to have done as well as Carter in 1980.
Bush/Cheney vs. Clinton/Manchin
Bush would have been lucky to have done as well as Carter in 1980.
I would give GA and NC to Bush, but besides that you are right on the money
Title: Re: 2008 - Bush vs. Democrat
Post by: Jack1475 on August 30, 2011, 12:29:59 AM
I think he would have done about the same as John McCain. The Republican turnout would be higher, but the Democratic turnout would also be higher as he has both fans and enemies.
Title: Re: 2008 - Bush vs. Democrat
Post by: HuckReagan on September 11, 2011, 08:10:35 AM
Bush/Pawlenty ... 226 electoral votes
Obama/Biden.... 312 electoral votes
Even though Bush was a unpopular president incumbnent replacing Cheney with Pawlenty increased his electoral vote saving Indiana, North Carolina, and by the skin of their teeth, Florida after heavy campaigning there.
Obama/Biden.... 312 electoral votes
Even though Bush was a unpopular president incumbnent replacing Cheney with Pawlenty increased his electoral vote saving Indiana, North Carolina, and by the skin of their teeth, Florida after heavy campaigning there.
Title: Re: 2008 - Bush vs. Democrat
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on September 11, 2011, 02:23:53 PM
Obama/Biden 457 56%
Bush/Pawlenty 81 38%
Paul/Goldwater 5%
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I think Bush still wins a majority of counties, but Obama is competitive by this measure as well.
Bush/Pawlenty 81 38%
Paul/Goldwater 5%
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I think Bush still wins a majority of counties, but Obama is competitive by this measure as well.
Title: Re: 2008 - Bush vs. Democrat
Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on September 11, 2011, 02:30:36 PM
Obama/Biden 457 56%
Bush/Pawlenty 81 38%
Paul/Goldwater 5%
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Based on the LA taxpayer nomination? :D
I think Bush still wins a majority of counties, but Obama is competitive by this measure as well.
Bush/Pawlenty 81 38%
Paul/Goldwater 5%
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Based on the LA taxpayer nomination? :D
I think Bush still wins a majority of counties, but Obama is competitive by this measure as well.
Title: Re: 2008 - Bush vs. Democrat
Post by: mondale84 on September 13, 2011, 12:00:45 AM
These were Bush's approval numbers on election day according to exit polls....
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...not a pretty picture...(I don't have A/D numbers for the CDs in Maine and Nebraska)
I would assume Bush would win states where his approvals are greater than 40%, though maybe not Texas...it's also possible he would win AR and WV due to Obama's poor cultural fit...something like this maybe:
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Obama 451
Bush 38
Tossup 49
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...not a pretty picture...(I don't have A/D numbers for the CDs in Maine and Nebraska)
I would assume Bush would win states where his approvals are greater than 40%, though maybe not Texas...it's also possible he would win AR and WV due to Obama's poor cultural fit...something like this maybe:
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Obama 451
Bush 38
Tossup 49
Title: Re: 2008 - Bush vs. Democrat
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on September 13, 2011, 01:31:28 PM
Obama/Biden 457 56%
Bush/Pawlenty 81 38%
Paul/Goldwater 5%
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I think Bush still wins a majority of counties, but Obama is competitive by this measure as well.
Bush/Pawlenty 81 38%
Paul/Goldwater 5%
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I think Bush still wins a majority of counties, but Obama is competitive by this measure as well.
Title: Re: 2008 - Bush vs. Democrat
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on September 13, 2011, 02:21:12 PM
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Clinton/Obama- 445 EVs
Bush/Cheney- 93 EVs
Clinton/Obama- 445 EVs
Bush/Cheney- 93 EVs
Title: Re: 2008 - Bush vs. Democrat
Post by: Liberalrocks on September 21, 2011, 11:40:11 PM
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Hillary Clinton-Wes Clark: 56% 447 EV's
George W Bush-Dick Cheney: 43% 91 EV's
Closest State is Bush's home state of Texas which he wins with under 50% of the vote and about 1% point from Clinton taking. Mississippi and Louisiana are also razor close but he narrowly holds them. Clinton takes Georgia by a few hundred votes.
Hillary Clinton-Wes Clark: 56% 447 EV's
George W Bush-Dick Cheney: 43% 91 EV's
Closest State is Bush's home state of Texas which he wins with under 50% of the vote and about 1% point from Clinton taking. Mississippi and Louisiana are also razor close but he narrowly holds them. Clinton takes Georgia by a few hundred votes.