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Title: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: A18 on October 19, 2004, 08:43:54 PM
I know there's Alaska and Hawaii ... and I believe Wyoming and Idaho ... what else?


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: Alcon on October 19, 2004, 08:50:15 PM
Tons.

Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Colorado
Delaware
Florida
Hawaii
Idaho
Indiana
Kansas
Maine
Maryland
Michigan
Minnesota
Mississippi
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Mexico
North Dakota
Oklahoma
Oregon
Rhode Island
South Carolina*
South Dakota
Tennessee
Utah
Washington
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Wyoming

* - Note that Andrew Jackson was born in either North Carolina or South Carolina, but it is unknown exactly where. If Jackson was born in North Carolina, 32 states have never had Presidents born in them; if South Carolina, then 31.

Oh, and obviously the District of Columbia has never had a President either.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: A18 on October 19, 2004, 08:52:03 PM
I mean elected from, not born.  :-)


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: Alcon on October 19, 2004, 08:53:11 PM
What do you mean "elected from"?


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: A18 on October 19, 2004, 08:55:05 PM
I was born in Virginia.

Let's say I move to Alaska when I'm 18, work my way up to Governor, and then get elected President of the United States.

I was elected from Alaska, not Virginia.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: J. J. on October 19, 2004, 08:55:20 PM
Tons.

Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Colorado
Delaware
Florida
Hawaii
Idaho
Kansas
Maine
Maryland
Minnesota
Mississippi
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Mexico
North Dakota
Oklahoma
Oregon
Rhode Island
South Carolina*
South Dakota
Utah
Washington
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Wyoming

* - Note that Andrew Jackson was born in either North Carolina or South Carolina, but it is unknown exactly where. If Jackson was born in North Carolina, 32 states have never had Presidents born in them; if South Carolina, then 31.

Oh, and obviously the District of Columbia has never had a President either.

I think this is it.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: ?????????? on October 19, 2004, 08:58:24 PM
Eisenhower was from Kansas.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: ?????????? on October 19, 2004, 08:59:02 PM
Wilson was from Virginia NOT New Jersey so NJ should be moved into states that never had a president.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: A18 on October 19, 2004, 09:00:14 PM
Wilson was not elected from Virginia, I'm pretty sure


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: Alcon on October 19, 2004, 09:01:36 PM
That's hard to say, I guess. Is Bush from Texas or Maine? Too many politicians have multiple homes. It would be hard to find that sort of information.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: J. J. on October 19, 2004, 09:02:13 PM
Wrong and wrong,  Eisenhower was elected from NY and PA; Wilson from NJ.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: J. J. on October 19, 2004, 09:03:25 PM
That's hard to say, I guess. Is Bush from Texas or Maine? Too many politicians have multiple homes. It would be hard to find that sort of information.

George H. W. Bush was registered in Texas at the time of all of his elections.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: A18 on October 19, 2004, 09:08:32 PM
Well I started counting from Washington onward and I made it to 1824. Anyone know where John Q. Adams was from?

Virginia - 4
Massachusetts - 1


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: ?????????? on October 19, 2004, 09:08:40 PM
Wrong and wrong,  Eisenhower was elected from NY and PA; Wilson from NJ.

Neither were born in those states.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: J. J. on October 19, 2004, 09:11:25 PM
Wrong and wrong,  Eisenhower was elected from NY and PA; Wilson from NJ.

Neither were born in those states.

That isn't the question.  It's from which state from which state the president was elected from.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: A18 on October 19, 2004, 09:33:58 PM
Totals:

Virginia - 5
Massachusetts - 4
Tennessee - 3
New York - 7
Louisiana - 1
NH - 1
Penn - 1
Illinois - 1
Ohio - 6
Vermont - 1
Indiana - 1
NJ - 1
Oregon - 1
Missouri - 1
Kansas - 1
Texas - 3
California - 2
Michigan - 1
Georgia - 1
Arkansas - 1

NY has the most


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: J. J. on October 19, 2004, 09:35:36 PM
PA had two, Buchannan and Eisenhower (2nd term).


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: A18 on October 19, 2004, 09:36:29 PM
Why'd he switch home states?


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: ?????????? on October 19, 2004, 09:39:20 PM
Indiana had a president?


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: Alcon on October 19, 2004, 09:46:41 PM
Pardon my idiocy, but who came from Oregon?


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: A18 on October 19, 2004, 10:52:19 PM
Herbert Hoover was from Oregon, according to this site (http://www.indwes.edu/Faculty/bcupp/riddles/Presidents.html).

Benjamin Harrison was Indiana.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: ?????????? on October 20, 2004, 12:07:43 AM
Hoover was from Kansas. And I think he ran from California the second time around.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: minionofmidas on October 20, 2004, 07:45:02 AM
Hoover was from Kansas. And I think he ran from California the second time around.
Hoover was born in Iowa (ask PB). But I thought he ran from California, too.

JQ Adams was from Massachusetts btw.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: minionofmidas on October 20, 2004, 07:51:23 AM
There's quite a lot of presidents not born in the state they ran from.
Jackson - born in SC (or possibly NC), from TN
WH Harrison - born in Va, from Ohio IIRC
Polk - born in NC, from TN
Taylor - born in Va, nominally from Louisiana (he absentee owned a plantation there. He really lived wherever he was posted)
Lincoln - born in KY, (raised in IN,) from IL
Andy Johnson - born in NC, from TN
Arthur - born in VT, from NY
Cleveland - born in NJ, from NY (so no matter how you look at it, NJ had a president)
Ben Harrison - born in Ohio, from IN
Wilson - born in Va, from NJ
Coolidge - born in VT, from MA
Hoover - born in Iowa, take your pick where from
Eisenhower - born in Texas, (raised in Kansas,) from New York or Pennsylvania or whatever. He switched homestates in office
Nixon - born in CA, from NY at the time of the '68 election (but not of the 52, 56, 60 or 72 elections, when he was registered in California)
Ford - born in IL, from MI
Reagan - born in IL, from CA
Bush sr - born in MA, from TX
Bush jr - born in CT, from TX


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: ?????????? on October 20, 2004, 08:42:36 AM
Hoover was from Kansas. And I think he ran from California the second time around.
Hoover was born in Iowa (ask PB). But I thought he ran from California, too.

JQ Adams was from Massachusetts btw.

He ran from Kansas the first time around.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: minionofmidas on October 20, 2004, 02:50:51 PM
Hoover was from Kansas. And I think he ran from California the second time around.
Hoover was born in Iowa (ask PB). But I thought he ran from California, too.

JQ Adams was from Massachusetts btw.

He ran from Kansas the first time around.
Adams? Unlikely.
:)


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: Nym90 on October 21, 2004, 04:19:34 AM
Hoover was from Kansas. And I think he ran from California the second time around.
Hoover was born in Iowa (ask PB). But I thought he ran from California, too.

JQ Adams was from Massachusetts btw.

He ran from Kansas the first time around.

According to this site, Hoover ran from California in 1928. His VP, Charles Curtis, was from Kansas.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: minionofmidas on October 21, 2004, 04:29:59 AM
Hoover was from Kansas. And I think he ran from California the second time around.
Hoover was born in Iowa (ask PB). But I thought he ran from California, too.

JQ Adams was from Massachusetts btw.

He ran from Kansas the first time around.

According to this site, Hoover ran from California in 1928. His VP, Charles Curtis, was from Kansas.
Oh, yeah, that is right. Well, Hoover certainly didn't run from Kansas then.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: jimrtex on October 21, 2004, 08:42:20 AM
There's quite a lot of presidents not born in the state they ran from.
The Vice Presidents are more exotic.  One was born in Paris, and another in Ceylon, and one died in Berlin.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: minionofmidas on October 21, 2004, 08:45:14 AM
There's quite a lot of presidents not born in the state they ran from.
The Vice Presidents are more exotic.  One was born in Paris, and another in Ceylon, and one died in Berlin.
What!? You sure you're not thinking of First Ladies or something? Vice Presidents, like Presidents, are required by the constitution to be native born or have immigrated to the US before 1789.
I've also been through the biographies of US vice presidents and I've not found any such reference.
(I have found reference to a -baseless- conspiracy theory that Chester A Arthur was really his older brother, who was born in Canada.)


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: Nym90 on October 21, 2004, 12:05:15 PM
There's quite a lot of presidents not born in the state they ran from.
The Vice Presidents are more exotic.  One was born in Paris, and another in Ceylon, and one died in Berlin.
What!? You sure you're not thinking of First Ladies or something? Vice Presidents, like Presidents, are required by the constitution to be native born or have immigrated to the US before 1789.
I've also been through the biographies of US vice presidents and I've not found any such reference.
(I have found reference to a -baseless- conspiracy theory that Chester A Arthur was really his older brother, who was born in Canada.)

It's possible that someone could be born in another country and still become President or Vice President, as long as they were a US citizen by birth. If your parents were vacationing overseas or temporarily living overseas, for example, but were still both US citizens.

So that could have been the case with the VPs born in Paris and Ceylon (which ones were they, BTW?)


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on October 21, 2004, 12:32:04 PM
Who was from Lousiana?

Ford was elected from Michighan, so scratch Michigan from the original list.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: ThePrezMex on October 21, 2004, 05:24:58 PM
Why you don't just create two lists? There are two different questions.
One list being the states in which Presidents were BORN and the other one being from the states FROM where they were elected (and we can see in the second list that some, like Eisenhower, will have more than one state).
And just compare the lists, would be interesting.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: minionofmidas on October 22, 2004, 03:24:40 AM
read my list, dude. :) Taylor, officially.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: jimrtex on October 22, 2004, 05:27:25 AM
So that could have been the case with the VPs born in Paris and Ceylon (which ones were they, BTW?)
Hannibal Hamlin was born in Paris, Maine.  Incidentally, within 50 miles you'll find Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Poland, Mexico, Peru, Leeds, Belgrade, Vienna, Naples, and Lisbon.

Walter Mondale was born in Ceylon, Minnesota.

Spiro Agnew died in Berlin, Maryland (other sources say Ocean City, but they are close to each other).


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: minionofmidas on October 22, 2004, 06:34:36 AM
So that could have been the case with the VPs born in Paris and Ceylon (which ones were they, BTW?)
Hannibal Hamlin was born in Paris, Maine.  Incidentally, within 50 miles you'll find Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Poland, Mexico, Peru, Leeds, Belgrade, Vienna, Naples, and Lisbon.

Walter Mondale was born in Ceylon, Minnesota.

Spiro Agnew died in Berlin, Maryland (other sources say Ocean City, but they are close to each other).
Oh, okay...there#s a movie called "Paris,Texas".


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: nclib on October 23, 2004, 04:28:20 PM
Who was from Lousiana?

Ford was elected from Michighan, so scratch Michigan from the original list.

I assume you mean 'was elected to Congress from Michigan' since Ford was never elected President.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: minionofmidas on October 24, 2004, 07:17:01 AM
Who was from Lousiana?

Ford was elected from Michighan, so scratch Michigan from the original list.

I assume you mean 'was elected to Congress from Michigan' since Ford was never elected President.
Yes, good point...he ran from Michigan in 76 though, and he obviously was registered to vote in Michigan at the time he became vice president, and presumably also at the time he became president.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: Serenity Now on October 24, 2004, 07:30:16 AM
Wilson was not elected from Virginia, I'm pretty sure

And George Bush isn't going to die in 2009 aged 8... ;P


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: PBrunsel on October 24, 2004, 01:01:18 PM
Herbert Hoover was elected from California, and not Iowa! :(


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: orunje on October 30, 2004, 03:11:07 AM
Wrong and wrong,  Eisenhower was elected from NY and PA; Wilson from NJ.

Eisenhower considered himself to be from Kansas.  That's why his library is in Abilene, Kansas.  He was born in Texas.  The fact that had a residence in PA or NY means nothing.  He retained his residence in Kansas.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: Schmitz in 1972 on November 04, 2004, 08:24:34 PM
OK, here's the official list of states without a president born in them:
AL, AK, AZ, CO (sadly for Democrats), DE, FL, HI, ID, IN, KS, LA, ME, MD, MI, MN, MS, MT, NV, NM, ND, OK, OR, RI, SD, TN, UT, WA, WV, WI, WY, DC

Presidents were born in
AR, CA, CT, GA, IL, IA, KY, MA (4), MO, NE, NH, NJ, NY (4), NC (2, maybe 3), OH (7), PA, SC (maybe), TX (2), VT (2), VA (8)

Presidents not elected from
AL, AK, AZ, CO, CT, DE, FL, HI, ID, IA, KS (technically), KY, ME, MD, MI (technically), MN, MS, MT, NE, NV, NM, NC, ND, OK, OR, RI, SC, SD, UT, VT, WA, WV, WI, WY, DC

Even though Michigan has had a president (Ford) he was never actually elected so we have to count MI in the 'Presidents not elected from' list

Presidents elected from
AR, CA (3), GA, IL (2), IN, LA, MA (4), MO, NH, NJ (sorry States), NY (8), OH (6), PA (2), TN (3), TX (3), VA (5)

Nixon and Eisenhower are counted twice in this list, Ford is not counted at all



Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: Schmitz in 1972 on November 04, 2004, 08:48:10 PM
Just for curiosities sake!

States without Pres/VP born in them:
AL, AK, AZ, CO, DE, FL, HI, ID, LA, MI, MS, MT, NV, NM, ND, OK, OR, RI, TN, UT, WA, WV, WI, WY

States with Pres/VP born in them:
AR, CA, CT, GA, IL, IN (2), IA (2), KS, KY (5), ME (2), MD, MA (5), MN, MO, NE (2), NH (2), NJ (2), NY (9), NC (3, maybe 4), OH (10), PA (2), SC (2, maybe 1), SD, TX (3), VT (3), VA (8), DC

States without Pres/VP elected from
AK, AZ, CO, CT, DE, FL, HI, ID, MI (technically), MS, MT, NE, NV, NM, NC, ND, OK, OR, RI, SD, UT, VT, WA, WV, WI, DC

Once again we technically can't count Ford

States with Pres/VP elected from
AL, AR, CA (3), GA, IL (4), IN (6), IA, KS, KY (3), LA, ME, MD, MA (6), MN (2), MO, NH, NJ (2), NY (14, technically), OH (6), PA (3), SC, TN (4), TX (4), VA (5), WY

Once again Eisenhower and Nixon are counted twice and Ford isn't counted at all. Also Rockefeller isn't included in New York because he was never elected.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: demswin2004 on November 14, 2004, 12:36:00 AM
Bush elected from Texas not CT.
Bush Sr. elected from Texas not CT.
Reagan elected from CA not IL
Ford elected from Michigan not Nebraska?

Gore: if he was actually president, where would he be trying to be elected from? D.C. rather than TN?

George Washington...elected from VA or NY?



Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: ?????????? on November 15, 2004, 01:37:38 AM
Bush elected from Texas not CT.
Bush Sr. elected from Texas not CT.
Reagan elected from CA not IL
Ford elected from Michigan not Nebraska?

Gore: if he was actually president, where would he be trying to be elected from? D.C. rather than TN?

George Washington...elected from VA or NY?



Washington was elected from Virginia.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: J-Mann on November 16, 2004, 03:19:31 AM
I think it's ultimately up to the president himself where he wants to be from.  Eisenhower chose Kansas; his library is about a half-hour from me.  Whether or not he was born in Texas or ran from New York or Pennsylvania, he claimed Kansas and had his library built here.

We don't have much here; don't try to take away our only President.  Bob Dole didn't make it, ya know.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: khirkhib on November 19, 2004, 05:02:33 AM
Just to tell you more about Hoover.

He was born in 1874 in West Branch, Iowa
His father died in 1880
His mother died in 1883
Herbert Hoover moved to Oregon to live with his uncle
Herbert went to Stanford in 1891
So he lived in Oregon from  9 - 17 and considered Oregon the place he grew up.  We have a Highway named after Hoover in Newberg where he grew up.  Pretty podunk about 30-45 minutes or so  from where I live. So maybe an hour outside of Portland.  I really wish we had a better president to lay claim to.

I mean you have to admit that a president that is the captain of the ship when the economy loses more jobs that it gains is pretty crappy.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: khirkhib on November 19, 2004, 05:25:51 AM
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Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: ?????????? on November 19, 2004, 10:21:22 AM
Just to tell you more about Hoover.

He was born in 1874 in West Branch, Iowa
His father died in 1880
His mother died in 1883
Herbert Hoover moved to Oregon to live with his uncle
Herbert went to Stanford in 1891
So he lived in Oregon from  9 - 17 and considered Oregon the place he grew up.  We have a Highway named after Hoover in Newberg where he grew up.  Pretty podunk about 30-45 minutes or so  from where I live. So maybe an hour outside of Portland.  I really wish we had a better president to lay claim to.

I mean you have to admit that a president that is the captain of the ship when the economy loses more jobs that it gains is pretty crappy.

Hoover was a good man with a big heart. To say otherwise is to be a revisionist. The economy was on the downturn when he took office and he was the sacrificial lamb. FDR actually extended the great depression, tried to pack the supreme court, and passed several unconstitutional measures while destroying the gold standard and pushing the depression for many more years then it should have gone. FDR was a socialist.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: minionofmidas on November 23, 2004, 11:33:50 AM
Dick Cheney, born in Lincoln, Nebraska, raised there as well I think, started working in DC (and presumably living in either DC, Md, or VA) right after graduating from college. Out of a job after the 76 elections, elected to Congress in 78 from Wyoming, where he owned a house for vacations (er-what's the "right" way to say that? This doesn't sound right). Served from Wyoming until appointed to the cabinet in 88. Out of a job after 92, he started working for Haliburton and had an official address in Texas throughout most of the 90s, though he still owned that house in Wyoming. Changed his registration from Texas to Wyoming after being named VP candidate by Bush (but before the convention) to circumvent the Constitution.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: Schmitz in 1972 on November 23, 2004, 05:02:38 PM

Whoops! My mistake, I'll correct that

BTW Lewis is correct about him actually being a Texan at the time but I think it pales in comparison to what Hillary did in the same year.


Title: Re: What states have never had presidents?
Post by: mianfei on March 21, 2017, 05:23:18 AM
Another one for curiosities sake:

States without a single electoral-vote-winning Presidential nominee (votes from faithless electors excluded):

AK, CO, CT, DE, FL, HI, ID, MS, MT, NV, NM, ND, OK, OR, RI, UT, VT, WA, WY, DC

States without a single electoral-vote-winning Presidential or Vice-Presidential nominee (votes from faithless electors excluded):

CO, FL, HI, ID, NV, NM, ND, OK, RI, UT, VT, WA, DC

It’s easy to see why these states are absent from the list of home states of Presidential or Vice-Presidential candidates. They are either:

  • too small in population and electoral votes (HI, ID, NM, ND, RI, VT, DC, until recently NV) or,
  • too young as states (HI, NM, OK, UT, ID, ND, WA, CO, much of NV and FL too) or,
  • too conservative for the majority of people (ID, ND, OK, UT) or,
  • too liberal for the majority (HI, RI, VT, WA, DC) or,
  • too polarizing (CO, NV, perhaps FL)

Nevada, Florida and perhaps New Mexico are the only states listed here one might see “breaking through” to producing presidential candidates in the future. Nevada does have, of course, problems with its gambling and resort associations – so does Florida and über-liberal Hawaii.