South African local government elections - August 3, 2016
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
May 18, 2024, 11:52:20 AM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion
  International Elections (Moderators: afleitch, Hash)
  South African local government elections - August 3, 2016
« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2 3
Author Topic: South African local government elections - August 3, 2016  (Read 7627 times)
Kosmos
Rookie
**
Posts: 47
Sweden
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« on: July 20, 2016, 07:55:17 PM »
« edited: August 03, 2016, 01:51:40 PM by Hash »

On august 3rd, South Africans in 226 local municipalities and 8 metropolitan municipalities will go to the polls to elect their local government for the next five years.

All eyes seem to be on some of the metros. Outside of the Western Cape province, the governing African National Congress (ANC) is expected to easily retain almost all of the local muncipalities that it controls. Only a handful of councils are expected to be tightly contested.

And yet the narrative being peddled is of a governing party on the backfoot. The reason for this being that some of the municipalities that do hang in the balance are quite significant. Such as Johannesburg or Tshwane (Pretoria). Both the main opposition parties - Democratic Alliance (DA) and Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) are expected to make gains.
Logged
ottermax
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,799
United States


Political Matrix
E: -6.58, S: -6.09

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2016, 11:14:35 PM »

Looking at the polls for this week's local elections, apparently the DA is in the lead in Jo'burg, Tshwane, and Nelson Mandela. I doubt that the polls are really capturing the loyal, lower-income voters that help the ANC win, but is it possible that even one of these cities will switch to the DA? Will the EFF gather enough votes to decrease the ANC support and allow the DA to win a spot?

A few things I seem to observe from outside, and after living in South Africa a few years ago:
1. The DA truly does seem to be moving beyond a Whites and elite party. Zuma seems to have made enough transgressions that Black voters, especially the increasing numbers of young voters who are unemployed and have seen limited progress. Now that the DA has consolidated Whites, Coloureds, and Asians in much of the country they need to get a significant chunk of Black voters. Mmusi Maimane is the perfect leader for them I would think, but I haven't been on the ground to really know. Things have truly declined recently in South Africa regarding corruption, economy, and other issues, but the ANC can still run on Mandela pretty effectively.
2. The EFF seems to have really asserted itself as the most effective Black opposition since the IFP. This always seems to have been a niche to fill - a voice for the many young, poor, or unemployed Black South Africans - who have showed loyalty to the ANC but are increasingly disenchanted by poor service delivery. I get the sense that Zuma's corruption is not their worry, but rather impatience with the pace of improvements and the vast inequality. Again, not on the ground so I'm just assuming.
3. The ANC is one of the most effective political machines in the world. Practically every rural Black South African seems to have a free ANC t-shirt with Zuma or Mandela's face on it. The ANC has implemented jobs programs, welfare, and other services that remain incredibly slow, marginal, and limited, but a far improvement for many compared to Apartheid. I think it's only in the big metropolitan cities that we will see any possible shift to the DA due to impatience in the townships, but that's a big if.

If anyone has more info, please share. This is going to a big election I think!
Logged
ottermax
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,799
United States


Political Matrix
E: -6.58, S: -6.09

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2016, 11:25:35 PM »

Some more sources of information:

Polls for the big 3 cities being watched:
http://www.enca.com/elections2016/?utm_source=encaDesktop_PollsNavBar&utm_medium=NavbarBanner&utm_campaign=PollsNavBar

Good article about some voices on the election:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-36922631

An article on the accuracy of the polls:
http://mg.co.za/article/2016-07-29-00-tale-of-two-polls-one-survey-puts-anc-at-50-in-major-metros-another-begs-to-differ

Fairly critical view of the last rallies for the DA:
http://mg.co.za/article/2016-07-31-mmusi-maimane-get-personal-at-at-final-rally-certain-da-will-win-major-metros

ANC focusing on race and Mandela's legacy:
http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2016/07/31/mandelas-sentiments-about-da-recurring-theme-at-anc-rally
Logged
StateBoiler
fe234
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3,890


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2016, 12:41:50 PM »

Looking at the polls for this week's local elections, apparently the DA is in the lead in Jo'burg, Tshwane, and Nelson Mandela. I doubt that the polls are really capturing the loyal, lower-income voters that help the ANC win, but is it possible that even one of these cities will switch to the DA? Will the EFF gather enough votes to decrease the ANC support and allow the DA to win a spot?

A few things I seem to observe from outside, and after living in South Africa a few years ago:
1. The DA truly does seem to be moving beyond a Whites and elite party. Zuma seems to have made enough transgressions that Black voters, especially the increasing numbers of young voters who are unemployed and have seen limited progress. Now that the DA has consolidated Whites, Coloureds, and Asians in much of the country they need to get a significant chunk of Black voters. Mmusi Maimane is the perfect leader for them I would think, but I haven't been on the ground to really know. Things have truly declined recently in South Africa regarding corruption, economy, and other issues, but the ANC can still run on Mandela pretty effectively.
2. The EFF seems to have really asserted itself as the most effective Black opposition since the IFP. This always seems to have been a niche to fill - a voice for the many young, poor, or unemployed Black South Africans - who have showed loyalty to the ANC but are increasingly disenchanted by poor service delivery. I get the sense that Zuma's corruption is not their worry, but rather impatience with the pace of improvements and the vast inequality. Again, not on the ground so I'm just assuming.
3. The ANC is one of the most effective political machines in the world. Practically every rural Black South African seems to have a free ANC t-shirt with Zuma or Mandela's face on it. The ANC has implemented jobs programs, welfare, and other services that remain incredibly slow, marginal, and limited, but a far improvement for many compared to Apartheid. I think it's only in the big metropolitan cities that we will see any possible shift to the DA due to impatience in the townships, but that's a big if.

If anyone has more info, please share. This is going to a big election I think!

South Africans I read on it (message board posters like yourself) think that if the ANC lose enough major metros, ANC powerbrokers will make a move to strip Zuma of the party presidency (similar to Mbeki).
Logged
Hash
Hashemite
Moderator
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 32,410
Colombia


WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2016, 01:54:08 PM »

As a sort of preview to what it is about and what is worth following, from your beloved moderator:

Local government in South Africa

-South Africa has a multi-tiered system of local government established by Chapter 7 of the Constitution and the Local Government: Municipal Structures Act, 1998. As per the Constitution, the objects of local governments are to provide democratic and accountable government for local communities, to ensure the provision of services to communities in a sustainable manner, to promote social and economic development, to promote a safe and healthy environment and to encourage the involvement of communities and community organisations in the matters of local government. The specific powers of municipalities are entrenched in the Constitution, in Parts B of Schedule 4 and 5. Local government matters include among others, building regulations, child care facilities, electricity and gas reticulation, firefighting services, municipal planning, municipal health services, municipal public transport, municipal roads, municipal airports, municipal public works, local harbours and the like, water and sanitation; municipal parks and recreation, noise pollution, control of 'public nuisances', local amenities, refuse removal, regulation of miscellaneous matters of a local nature and traffic. Municipalities are allowed to impose property taxes (rates) and surcharges on fees for services provided by or on behalf of the municipality, and other taxes and levies if authorized by national legislation.
-The Constitution sets out a three-tiered system for local government with Category A, B and C municipalities. Category A municipalities have exclusive municipal powers in their areas. By law, this is for large urban conurbations which are 'centres of economic activity'. All other areas not falling under these criteria have both Category B and C municipalities. It is interesting to point out that, in contrast with federal countries, local government in South Africa is pretty clearly the creation of the national government which can (and does) change the rules, boundaries and structure around at will. Municipal boundaries, and ward boundaries for election of local members, are revised before each local government election by the Municipal Demarcation Board, a theoretically independent body. Provincial governments implement the decisions of the Municipal Demarcation Board and determine matters like the category/type of municipality, the name, the number of councillors and the structure of local government (the law provides for executive mayors or executive committees).
-South Africa has 8 Metropolitan Municipalities, single-tier municipalities which cover the country's eight largest metro areas - namely the City of Johannesburg, the City of Cape Town, eThekwini (Durban), Ekurhuleni (East Rand), City of Tshwane (Pretoria), Nelson Mandela Bay (Port Elizabeth), Buffalo City (East London) and Mangaung (Bloemfontein). All but the last two listed have populations over 1 million. They are comparable to single-tier municipalities in Ontario or unitary authorities in England (with the difference being that South Africa's metro municipalities are exclusively urban).
-There are 44 District Municipalities subdivided into 207 Local Municipalities. The District Municipalities are the upper-tier level, responsible for 'integrated development planning', bulk utility and service delivery and the management of other responsibilities (roads, airports, public works etc.) for the district as a whole. The Local Municipalities are the lower-tier level, responsible for the remainder of powers not delegated to the district. District municipalities are comparable to upper-tier counties etc. in Ontario, or non-metropolitan counties in England; local municipalities are comparable to lower-tier municipalities in Ontario or non-metropolitan districts in England. A fairly important number of medium-sized cities, including provincial capitals, fall under this two-tier system - for example, Potchefstroom, Polokwane, Pietermaritzburg, Nelspruit, Kimberley, Vereeniging etc. The number of local municipalities this year is reduced from 2011, when there were 226 local municipalities.
-Every municipality, regardless of the category, has its own municipal council. The municipal councils of metropolitan municipalities and local municipalities are made up, in equal proportion, of councillors elected by closed party-list proportional representation and councillors elected by FPTP in single-member wards (rounded up in favour of ward councillors if the number of total seats is uneven). Municipal councils with fewer than 7 members have no wards. The IEC has a nifty chart detailing the allocation of PR seats.
-District municipalities' councils are made up of appointed councillors from the local municipalities (60%) and members directly elected by voters by closed-list proportional representation in the local municipalities (40%).
-South Africa's municipal councils are very large - pretty much the largest for any municipal governments in democratic countries (apparently Seoul has 419 seats on its municipal assembly though). Sizes vary and changes from election to election, but local/district municipalities may have no less than three and no more than 90 seats while metro councils may have no more than 270 seats (and, in practice, no less than 90). Johannesburg's council this year will have 270 seats; Cape Town will have 231. This is certainly much, much bigger than city councils in places like London, NYC, LA or Toronto. On the whole, this year, the IEC tells me that 8,646 seats will be filled and 4,392 ward councillors elected.
-Since 2011, the entire national territory is covered by a metropolitan or district/local municipality. Before that, there were parts of district municipalities which were not part of any local municipality, known as District Management Area (DMA) which were basically very sparsely populated areas, often the national parks or nature reserves.
-There have been four local elections since the end of apartheid - 1995/1996, 2000, 2006 and 2011. The 1995/1996 elections were transitional elections under a convoluted transitional scheme of local government structures prior to the adoption of the current structure for local government in time for the 2000 local elections.
Logged
Hash
Hashemite
Moderator
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 32,410
Colombia


WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2016, 01:54:36 PM »


2016 elections

-Obviously everyone is watching Johannesburg, Tshwane/Pretoria, Nelson Mandela Bay/Port Elizabeth, Ekurhuleni/East Rand and, to a lesser extent, Cape Town. The ANC has held every metropolitan municipality except Cape Town since their creation in 2000, so losing any metro municipality would be a major defeat for the ANC and, by consequence, a major victory for the DA. The DA regained controlled of the City of Cape Town in 2006, after the ANC had won control of the city in 2002 following the disintegration of the NP/DP alliance (known as the DA) around that time and the defection of many Nats to the ANC. The DA will certainly hold Cape Town, where it had already won over 60% of the vote in 2011. Nelson Mandela Bay municipality is the lowest hanging fruit for the DA, which had made a very big push for it already back in 2011, and had come within 12% of the ANC in the popular vote, a huge improvement on 2006 when the ANC had a 42% lead on the DA. The ANC still led by about 9% in the 2014 national elections in the city, but a DA victory is feasible given turnout differentials from national elections and the expected decline in ANC support. The other two big targets are Pretoria, where the DA trailed by about 16.5% in 2011, and Johannesburg where the DA trailed by 24% in 2011. Tshwane/Pretoria may be the easiest one, since a bloody ANC selection process was very very nasty and that may weaken the ANC's machine there. The DA was behind by over 30% in East Rand in 2011, but apparently it is giddy about its chances there this year (but then again the DA is always very optimistic about its chances in public). The DA's local results in all three of these Gauteng cities were better than their 2014 national results (31%, 30%, 27% respectively), but the ANC vote took a big hit in urban Gauteng in 2014 - 51% in Pretoria and 53.6% in JHB, about a ten point loss from 2009 in both cases. Things would get mighty complicated if the ANC vote falls under the absolute majority in these cities. The three other metros - Durban, East London and Bloemfontein - will be retained the ANC because their racial demographics remain too heavily slanted against the DA. The DA should improve a bit in Durban, if the Indian vote which was with the Minority Front in 2011 collapses and goes to the DA as it did in 2014.
-Outside of the metropolitan municipalities, as far as the DA is concerned, the results in the local municipalities of the Western Cape, where the DA already controls a majority of councils, and the Northern Cape, where the DA controls only 3 councils (none of them outright) but has significant potential to grow with the 40% Coloured minority, will be interesting. In the North West, the DA may have a chance in Potchefstroom/Tlokwe, where the ANC had a 21% lead in 2011. The DA briefly gained control of Tlokwe municipality in 2013 with the support of ANC defectors, but the ANC quickly regained control following by-elections in the seats of the ANC defectors. Outside of the WC/NC, the DA controls only two councils - Midvaal in Gauteng, and Baavians in EC which has been merged with two other ANC-controlled councils this year.
-This is the first local election featuring Julius Malema's EFF, which hopes to play spoiler in urban Gauteng - it won over 10% of the vote in all 3 metro municipalities in Gauteng in 2014, so it will be quite interesting to see how they perform this year (and if they can siphon off any wards from the ANC in Sepedi-speaking townships). It is overly optimistic about its chances in Limpopo, Malema's native province (where it won 10.3% in 2014), and I would be surprised if they won anything there, although it will be interesting to see how they do in Polokwane, the provincial capital and its strongest municipality in the province in 2014 with 16%. Finally, I would also watch the EFF's performance in the platinum mining belt in the North West, home to the EFF's best results in the entire country two years ago (with a peak at 20% in Rustenburg).
-The elections in KwaZulu-Natal are complicated by the disqualification of the NFP (the IFP splinter group which won 10.4% in 2011 and 6.4% in 2014) for failing to pay its dues on time, and infighting in the KZN ANC (which had a leadership coup last year, and recalled the premier earlier this year). The ANC won 56.8% in KZN in 2011, but it won 65% in 2014. The NFP's support allowed the ANC to wrestle control of several hung councils from the formerly hegemonic IFP in 2011, which ended up retaining only Ulundi and Msinga municipalities. I'm curious as to the results in the NFP's two strongest municipalities, Nongoma (a former IFP stronghold) and eDumbe, and as to whether or not the ANC can continue weakening the IFP in the rural Zulu heartland.
Logged
Kosmos
Rookie
**
Posts: 47
Sweden
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2016, 04:29:00 PM »

Thanks for the info, Hash. These elections are complicated, I must admit, so it's good that someone lays out the info clearly.

DA claims that NFP leaders in Nongoma and eDumbe have endorsed them:

https://www.da.org.za/2016/08/da-welcomes-nfp-edumbes-endorsement-da/

It seems to be a local initiative, as the highest NFP leadership is working with ANC, but it is still interesting if true, considering that it isn't exactly a traditional area for them, to put it mildly.
Logged
Hash
Hashemite
Moderator
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 32,410
Colombia


WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2016, 08:46:19 PM »

21% reporting:

ANC 50.11%
DA 34.8%
EFF 5.73%
IFP 2.85%
VF+ 1.28%

Gauteng, however, trails far behind at just 12% with very very early results still from Joburg, Pretoria. Cape Town is a bit quicker, with 22% reporting, and it is a DA landslide so far, 68-22. Port Elizabeth is also too early to tell.
Logged
ag
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,828


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2016, 08:51:48 PM »

21% reporting:

ANC 50.11%
DA 34.8%
EFF 5.73%
IFP 2.85%
VF+ 1.28%

Gauteng, however, trails far behind at just 12% with very very early results still from Joburg, Pretoria. Cape Town is a bit quicker, with 22% reporting, and it is a DA landslide so far, 68-22. Port Elizabeth is also too early to tell.

There seems to be very different reporting rate shown for District, Local and Ward elections respectively, at least, here

http://www.news24.com/elections/results/lge#map=live&election=dc

How should I read it?
Logged
Hash
Hashemite
Moderator
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 32,410
Colombia


WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2016, 09:06:34 PM »

21% reporting:

ANC 50.11%
DA 34.8%
EFF 5.73%
IFP 2.85%
VF+ 1.28%

Gauteng, however, trails far behind at just 12% with very very early results still from Joburg, Pretoria. Cape Town is a bit quicker, with 22% reporting, and it is a DA landslide so far, 68-22. Port Elizabeth is also too early to tell.

There seems to be very different reporting rate shown for District, Local and Ward elections respectively, at least, here

http://www.news24.com/elections/results/lge#map=live&election=dc

How should I read it?

I'm not sure what News24 is doing, since their national numbers are very far behind the official ones. I'm using the IEC's results page: https://www.elections.org.za/LGEDashBoard2016/#

(at any rate, district elections results are useless since they exclude the 8 metro municipalities)
Logged
ag
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,828


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2016, 09:14:33 PM »

But which votes are those? Ward or PR?
Logged
Hash
Hashemite
Moderator
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 32,410
Colombia


WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2016, 09:17:38 PM »

But which votes are those? Ward or PR?

It is the sum of the ward+PR votes, because that's what is used to calculate the PR seat allocation.
Logged
Hash
Hashemite
Moderator
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 32,410
Colombia


WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2016, 09:56:17 AM »

77% reporting:

ANC 53.63%
DA 27.41%
EFF 7.4%
IFP 4.85%

Cape Town - 76% reporting:

DA 68.57%
ANC 22.35%
EFF 3.03%

Port Elizabeth - 85% reporting:

DA 49.49%
ANC 39.25%
EFF 4.87%
UDM 1.72%

Johannesburg - 40% reporting:

DA 42.09%
ANC 42.02%
EFF 10.09%
IFP 2.02%

Tshwane - 50% reporting

ANC 42.87%
DA 42.72%
EFF 10.52%
VF+ 1.96%

Ekurhuleni - 54% reporting

ANC 45.01%
DA 40.48%
EFF 9.18%
AIC 1.45%
VF+ 1.16%

eThekwini - 48% reporting

ANC 46.78%
DA 39.58%
EFF 2.83%
IFP 2.69%

Mangaung - 89% reporting

ANC 57.66%
DA 24.32%
EFF 9.08%
AIC 1.74%
VF+ 1.7%
Logged
ottermax
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,799
United States


Political Matrix
E: -6.58, S: -6.09

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2016, 02:36:38 PM »

With the results in Jo'burg and Tshwane, what is the Black African vote breakdown do you think? It seems like turnout is low in the townships relative to the suburbs, but I can't really tell. The DA result in Cape Town is baffling.

Seems like the DA grew, but mostly benefited from the EFF taking votes away from the ANC. The DA appears to have lost votes in Free State and Limpopo... which is not a good sign if they want to gain power come 2019. It seems like the DA has a lot of work to do to really have any chance at power.

Also has the VF+ gained votes this election? Maybe they are capturing white voters who feel alienated by the DA...
Logged
Derpist
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 997
Political Matrix
E: -5.29, S: -2.96

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2016, 03:43:21 PM »

With the results in Jo'burg and Tshwane, what is the Black African vote breakdown do you think? It seems like turnout is low in the townships relative to the suburbs, but I can't really tell. The DA result in Cape Town is baffling.

Seems like the DA grew, but mostly benefited from the EFF taking votes away from the ANC. The DA appears to have lost votes in Free State and Limpopo... which is not a good sign if they want to gain power come 2019. It seems like the DA has a lot of work to do to really have any chance at power.

Also has the VF+ gained votes this election? Maybe they are capturing white voters who feel alienated by the DA...

DA got 24% in the last municipal election, so this is a modest increase.
Logged
ag
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,828


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2016, 08:00:58 PM »

I think we are getting to the point where South African elections will start becoming competitive. No party will ever have the sort of a performance ANC has had in the past.  In a largely PR system outright majorities will be rare - I doubt DA will regularly get even 40% of the vote. But once ANC starts droping under 50% elections are properly contested. An opposition coalition should become possible within the next 10 years.
Logged
2952-0-0
exnaderite
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 7,222


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2016, 09:23:01 PM »

But what is the life expectancy of a DA/EFF coalition? Months or weeks?

At this rate, South Africa will become another Israel where minor parties with a handful of seats could hold the government hostage. Would this lead to calls for electoral reform to drive out minor parties?
Logged
ag
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,828


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2016, 12:45:32 AM »

But what is the life expectancy of a DA/EFF coalition? Months or weeks?

At this rate, South Africa will become another Israel where minor parties with a handful of seats could hold the government hostage. Would this lead to calls for electoral reform to drive out minor parties?

DA/EFF? I do not know. First it will be ANC/EFF or ANC whatever minor minions are there. Then, some time later, it will be a coalition of a bunch of minor parties against ANC. First time it will survive for 10 months. But after a few years, when even ANC/EFF + a few minor parties will not have a majority, it will become more stable. Look at India.

BTW, also look at India to see why a mere electoral reform would not work. South Africa is not India, but it is geographically diverse enough that moving from PR to a stronger majoritarian system would not eliminate minor parties. This is normal and is for the good.
Logged
Hash
Hashemite
Moderator
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 32,410
Colombia


WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2016, 09:58:21 AM »

Nelson Mandela Bay (Port Elizabeth) is at 100% counted:
DA 46.71% - 57 seats (2011: 40.13%)
ANC 40.92% - 50 seats (2011: 51.91%)
EFF 5.12% - 6 seats
UDM 1.91% - 2 seats
AIC 0.95% - 1 seat
UFEC (local) 0.94% - 1 seat
COPE 0.73% - 1 seat
ACDP 0.36% - 1 seat
PA 0.27% - 1 seat

The DA will probably easily form a majority coalition with the UDM, COPE and some of the other minor parties. The DA has made some limited gains with black voters, but its support remains weak (single digits), and the ANC's margins in the black townships were severely reduced compared to 2011 and even 2014 because of strong support for the EFF and/or various minor party/independent candidates. The ANC was below 80% of the vote in most heavily black township wards. On the other hand, like what happened in Cape Town, urban Coloureds are now voting for the DA just as heavily as whites are, which is quite something. The DA won over 85-90% of the vote in the heavily Coloured and white wards. I am hoping we get a way to look at turnout, since I suspect that turnout may have been higher in DA-voting areas (I have the same hunch about Cape Town).

Mangaung (Bloemfontein) is also fully counted:
ANC 56.52% - 58 seats
DA 25.96% - 27 seats
EFF 8.66% - 9 seats
VF+ 1.92% - 2 seats
AIC 1.69% - 2 seats
'ANA' 0.89% - 1 seat
COPE 0.6% - 1 seat

Results are not comparable to 2011/2014 because of a municipal merger (with a heavily ANC municipality), but the DA has done fairly well and the ANC has lost a good bit of support.

In other news, the DA is still ahead of the ANC in Joburg (42.1-41.5) with about one quarter still to come. It is certain that neither party will win over 50%. Likewise in Tshwane, where the ANC has the tiniest of leads (42.8-42.2) with about 20% still to come.

Nationally, with 96% reporting, the ANC has 54.3% against 26.4% for the DA, 8% for EFF and 4.4% for the IFP (which has seen a resuscitation of sorts in rural KZN).
Logged
Filuwaúrdjan
Realpolitik
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 67,807
United Kingdom


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2016, 12:40:50 PM »

BTW, also look at India to see why a mere electoral reform would not work.

Yes. Fragmented societies eventually produce fragmented elections (which doesn't mean that electoral consolidation can't also happen from time to time) whatever the system. Although the system does shape the form the fragmentation takes, of course.
Logged
Kosmos
Rookie
**
Posts: 47
Sweden
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2016, 03:33:33 PM »

As far as I can tell from the News24 map, voter turnout was at least 70%, sometimes close to 80%, in DA-dominated wards in Nelson Mandela Bay. In ANC strongholds, the turnout was around 60% on average.

Also has the VF+ gained votes this election? Maybe they are capturing white voters who feel alienated by the DA...

VF+ has increased, but not as much as I thought they would. They seems to have gained around 0,75% of the national vote, up from 0,40% in the last local elections. Their gains are probably limited to a few strong areas such as Potchefstroom, as well as the rural areas of the Free State, Limpopo and the Western Cape. VF+ did quite well, by their standards, in WC, picking up seats in Drakenstein, Breede Valley, George, Hessequa and Mossel Bay. They only got one in Cape Town last time.

But most SA whites seem to still regard the DA as their best option, even those who are not too fond of the party.
Logged
ag
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,828


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2016, 04:34:57 PM »
« Edited: August 07, 2016, 05:37:04 PM by ag »

So, final results in the metros (change from 2011 in brackets):

Cape Town DA hold
DA 66.61% (+5.69) 154 seats (+19)
ANC 24.36% (-6.44) 57 seats (-16)
EFF 3.17% (+3.17) 7 seats (+7)
ACDP 1.21% (-0.01) 3 seats (nil)
ALJAMA 0.66% (+0.29) 2 seats (+1)
AIC 0.59% (+0.59) 1 seat (+1)
VF+ 0.41% (+0.23) 1 seat (nil)
DI 0.30% (+0.30) 1 seat (+1)
UDM 0.26% (-0.13) 1 seat (nil)
CMC  0.26% (-0.03) 1 seat (nil)
PAC 0.25% (+0.04) 1 seat (nil)
COPE 0.25% (-0.86) 1 seat (-2)
PA 0.20% (+0.20) 1 seat (+1)

NP and AMP lost one seat each and are eliminated.

Remarkably, DA now holds Cape Town with a sort of a majority that ANC could not achieve this time in any of the other metros. Quite a feat!
Logged
ag
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,828


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2016, 04:40:06 PM »
« Edited: August 07, 2016, 05:43:18 PM by ag »

Nelson Mandela Bay (Port Elizabeth) ANC loss to NOC

DA 46.71% (+6.58) 57 seats (+9)
ANC 40.92% (-10.99) 50 seats (-13)
EFF 5.12% (+5.12) 6 seats (+6)
UDM 1.91% (+1.39) 2 seats (+1)
AIC 0.95% (+0.95) 1 seat  (+1)
UFEC 0.94% (+0.94) 1 seat (+1)
COPE 0.73% (-4.22) 1 seat (-5)
ACDP 0.36% (-0.02) 1 seat (nil)
PA 0.27% (+0.27) 1 seat (+1)

PAC lost its only seat
Logged
ag
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,828


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2016, 04:45:01 PM »
« Edited: August 07, 2016, 05:40:41 PM by ag »

Tshwane (Pretoria) ANC loss to NOC

DA 43.11% (+4.46) 93 seats (+11)
ANC 41.22% (-14.10) 89 seats (-29)
EFF 11.70 (+11.70) 25 seats (+25)
VF+ 1.99% (+0.33) 4 seats (nil)
ACDP 0.49% (-0.14) 1 seat (nil)
COPE 0.24% (-0.66) 1 seat (-1)
PAC 0.17% (-0.09) 1 seat (nil)

APC and APO lost one seat each and got eliminated
Logged
ag
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,828


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2016, 04:52:51 PM »
« Edited: August 07, 2016, 05:46:50 PM by ag »

Johannesburg ANC loss to NOC

ANC 44.55% (-14.11) 121 seats (-32)
DA 38.37% (+3.75) 104 seats (+14)
EFF 11.09 (+11.09) 30 seats (+30)
IFP 1.72% (+0.09) 5 seats (+1)
AIC 1.50% (+1.50) 4 seats (+4)
VF+ 0.34% (+0.09) 1 seat (nil)
ACDP 0.30% (-0.15) 1 seat (nil)
ALJAMA 0.27% (+0.03) 1 seat (nil)
UDM 0.26% (+0.03) 1 seat (nil)
COPE 0.18% (-0.97) 1 seat (-2)
PA 0.15% (+0.15) 1 seat (+1)

NFP lost 2 seats, APC, PAC, APO and OKM lost 1 seat each and all got eliminated.
Logged
Pages: [1] 2 3  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.06 seconds with 10 queries.