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« on: April 09, 2017, 03:43:09 PM »

It's not free, someone has to pay for it.

Pretty weird & ignorant post. When you talk about something being free, you talk about it being free or costing nothing from the perspective of the consumer/buyer.

That is kind of basic & you don't really need a Phd to know what the term "free" means or are people gonna come up with ridiculous new definitions to justify such posts?

He is not wrong in general terms, though.

He is totally wrong & is absolutely absurd about this. How can something not be free if it costs 0 $ to the user or consumer?

That is what the definition of free is - How much is charged from the user or how much the user is paying (0 $ in this case).

Can't believe this has to be argued with educated people !

In business, there is something call OTP or "Other People's Money". Donald Trump thrived off of it.

Nothing is free. It is paid for by you, or someone pays the equivalent costs for you, which is called third party payer or other people's money.

Nothing is free. The teachers are getting paid, the building is being maintained etc. There is a per unit cost for every student, so no, it is not "free" to send anyone to college. "It is free only to extent that someone else is picking up the tab.

I went to college on pell grants, I have no problem with helping those who cannot afford college. But at no point did I consider what I was getting "free".  I considered it a subsidized education at taxpayer expense for the betterment of society and I maintained a 4.0 average every semester until I graduated.

You may consider that "free" because it is not coming out of your pocket, but I must say that is a very irresponsible narrative that will encourage people to slack off because they are not paying for it themselves, when they should be doing the exact opposite and working harder because they been given an opportunity.


I find it baffling how educated people don't know that the term free means it costs nothing to the buyer or consumer.

Whether you pay 100% of the cost of your fees, whether you pay 100% of the cost of your fees + some profits for the institution to make, whether you pay say 50% of your fees + State funding, is absolutely irrelevant here & is a different discussion. Saying somethings is free or costs 0$ doesn't mean it now takes magically 0$ to manufacture that good or create that service.

The Tuition free college argument has already been debated to death here - I don't want to derail the thread again - Some of the points were K-12 education 50 years ago is equivalent to a College Degree now, Importance of having an educated workforce to compete globally, most good jobs requiring a College Degree instead of K-12, massive debt creating an economic bubble, massive debt bringing down demand for goods,services & depressing GDP, high debt not allowing some people to go to college or preventing people from doing jobs they like etc which are economic losses too.

If you want to have a discussion on the usefulness of Tuition Free college, you have another thread & discuss your ideas. But to call something which costs 0$ to the consumer not free is ridiculous & frankly ignorant & is only biased ideology speaking & not the truth !

It is free for the consumer yes but it still costs something to produce it. It's not as if nobody has to pay for it. Making it free for one person just means shifting the cost to a different person. I would think an educated person would be able to understand the point that they are trying to make..
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