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« on: July 01, 2015, 12:23:50 PM »

When you compare lack of gay marriage on demand to school desegregation, all credibility is lost.

The 14th Amendment was written in the 1860s to protect blacks from slavery and was co-opted by court to confer a right that never existed.

Just like how the 2nd Amendment was written in the 1790's to protect the state's right to a militia and was co-opted by the right to confer a right that never existed*.

When we as a country have something called a living constitution, you are able to adapt the meaning of the words to your time.  This is what our founding father's wanted.  They wanted us to bend and twist the document.  They wanted us to think different from them.  They didn't want us to live by the rules of their time.

*(When I say this, I mean Automatic weapons, not handguns, or shotguns.)

Who among the Founders wanted us to "bend and twist" the Constitution? 
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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2015, 03:28:30 PM »

It was, but, I still believe what I believe.  A living document is something which helps with the times.  How can the rules of men who lived over 200 years ago still apply to us without a bit twisting.  We have so many things that they wouldn't have know about.  Without the notion of a living document, it's hard to apply the laws, and write them.  Social Security and Medicare, are they mentioned in the constitution.  No, but with some interpretation, you can find the rational for them. 

The tax and spending power is right there in the Constitution. That one was easy. Smiley

Doesn't the purpose of the spending have to fall within enumerated powers?
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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2015, 02:18:04 AM »
« Edited: July 04, 2015, 02:20:22 AM by shua »

Fortunately for all of us, the Founding Fathers did not leave behind an explicit set of instructions on how to exactly interpret the contents of the document hundreds of years in the future, so we all get to have fun arguing like a bunch of religious fanatics as to which belief is the Holy Truth. How about we just all admit that we interpret the Constitution how our narrow-minded views of the world dictate and leave it at that?

James Madison didn't want a Bill of Rights because he was worried that would cause dumbass "strict constructionists" would decide that other rights weren't protected by the Constitution.

Madison believed that the national government should be strictly limited to enumerated powers, and was worried that a Bill of Rights would imply that the power of the government against the people was unlimited aside from not infringing on the rights mentioned.  This was a matter of two different strict interpretations - whether government power must be enumerated, or whether rights must be enumerated.
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