What European Parliament Parties would politicians and parties outside of the E.U affiliate with?

[WindowPhil]

I'm talking like the European People's Party, Party of European Socialists, European Conservatives and Reformists Party, etc.


What would Japan's LDP be a member of?

What about Canada's parties? South Africa's? New Zealand and Australia's?

America's parties? Trump? Biden? Bernie and AOC?


Of course, you don't have to limit it to these, you can make a guess about any country not in the E.U. I'm just giving some possible examples.

[Zinneke]

They don't even make sense internally to the EU.

[Cassius]

The LDP would definitely be in the EPP simply because that’s where the power and the patronage is.

[mileslunn]

For Canada, it is pretty straight forward asides from maybe BQ

Liberals would be ALDE
Conservatives - ECR
NDP - S&D
Greens - Greens/EFA

BQ is tough one but probably best fit would be EFA.  ID while nationalistic like them is a little too far to right.

For US that is tougher by my guess is

GOP - ECR
Dems - ALDE, but perhaps EDP. 

[beesley]

I don't know enough to form judgments, but worth noting these things aren't always predictable at face value. For example, the Swiss People's Party is part of ALDE.

[parochial boy]

I don't know enough to form judgments, but worth noting these things aren't always predictable at face value. For example, the Swiss People's Party is part of ALDE.

Europe Elects presents it in a way that is a little bit confusing I think. The SVP are a part of the Council of Europe ALDE - but aren't at all affiliated to the EU ALDE (whereas the Green Liberals and the PLR both are). Being a Council of Europe ALDE member doesn't necessarily mean any particular preference for them at the EU level. For instance, the Liechtenstein VU are a member of the Council of Europe ALDE but are affiliated to the EPP. Not at all confusing.

Incidentally, I would bet the bank on the UDC joining ECR if they wanted an EU affiliation. The attachment to ALDE is a historical thing. Broadly because they are/were an agrarian party in the same tradition as the Nordic Centre parties (at least back when the label actually functioned as any sort of an ideological indicator), who are ALDE members. Hence the reference to "centre" in the French and Italian names of the party.

By the way guys, ECR is like PiS and VOX and Sweden Democrats and Fratelli d'Italia. It's not, you know, a mainstream right group.

[WindowPhil]

For Canada, it is pretty straight forward asides from maybe BQ

Liberals would be ALDE
Conservatives - ECR
NDP - S&D
Greens - Greens/EFA

BQ is tough one but probably best fit would be EFA.  ID while nationalistic like them is a little too far to right.

For US that is tougher by my guess is

GOP - ECR
Dems - ALDE, but perhaps EDP. 

Why wouldn't the GOP be ID and why wouldn't the Democrats be ECR?

[kaoras]

Oh, I had a lot of fun thinking about Chilean parties.

UDI and RN should probably belong to ID considering how retrograde they are (and the fact that they literally have Pinochetism in their principles declaration). But honestly, I think they would both be in ECR.

PRI is irrelevant, maybe they would try to join ALDE or EPP.

EVOPOLI would be on ALDE.

Ciudadanos also on ALDE, if they even bother.

PL would be on ALDE, though they may feel extremely uncomfortable with the rest of the Chilean company there.

DC would be on EPP given the historic ties they have with the CDU. Even though many would be uncomfortable with the right-wing nature of the group there really isn't any other group where they would fit better.

PS and PPD would both be on S&D, pretty straightforward.

PR is a mess. Following the ancient origins of their political tradition, they should be on ALDE, but the party has declared itself socialist and social-democrat at several points in their history and they belong to the Socialist International (another incredibly meaningless label). So, who knows, honestly depends on what foot they wake up the day they decide to join a group.

PRO would try to be on S&D or maybe Green/EFA.

PH would be on Green/EFA given their hippie origins. FREVS also would obviously be Green/EFA

PI would be GUE-NGL, along with Convergencia Social and Comunes. RD would have a tortuous internal debate about whether join GUE-NGL or the greens, only to make an internal poll where nobody votes that results in Green/EFA.

PC would be on GUE-NGL since it was still called the Communist Group.

[S019]

Republicans: Mostly ID, with some ECR elements
Democrats: Mostly RE, with some S&D elements
Greens: Greens/EFA
Libertarian: EPP? (I'm genuinely unsure on this one)

[Former President tack50]

Republicans: Mostly ID, with some ECR elements
Democrats: Mostly RE, with some S&D elements
Greens: Greens/EFA
Libertarian: EPP? (I'm genuinely unsure on this one)

We do not need to speculate for the Republicans actually, since they have some sort of "cooperation agreement" (whatever that means) with ECR.

Because of their different history compared to European socdem parties; the Dems would indeed be in RE (much like how the Canadian Liberals would)

The Greens would be in the G-EFA, no surprise there

The Libertarians, as weird as it sounds, would also probably be in the same group as the Democrats (RE) since it's the closest to them.

[Zinneke]

I would definitely not put Libertarians in with the EPP. Just as an example, the EPP is one of the biggest supporters of the CAP, and that's one of the most powerful, and bloated, policy domain and state cartel the EU is allowed to run. My sense is that most libertarians would balk at the idea of the EPP itself.

[CumbrianLefty]

Fianna Fail as part of the "liberal" group at the European Parliament will always be good for a laugh.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I don't know enough to form judgments, but worth noting these things aren't always predictable at face value. For example, the Swiss People's Party is part of ALDE.

Europe Elects presents it in a way that is a little bit confusing I think. The SVP are a part of the Council of Europe ALDE - but aren't at all affiliated to the EU ALDE (whereas the Green Liberals and the PLR both are). Being a Council of Europe ALDE member doesn't necessarily mean any particular preference for them at the EU level. For instance, the Liechtenstein VU are a member of the Council of Europe ALDE but are affiliated to the EPP. Not at all confusing.

Incidentally, I would bet the bank on the UDC joining ECR if they wanted an EU affiliation. The attachment to ALDE is a historical thing. Broadly because they are/were an agrarian party in the same tradition as the Nordic Centre parties (at least back when the label actually functioned as any sort of an ideological indicator), who are ALDE members. Hence the reference to "centre" in the French and Italian names of the party.

By the way guys, ECR is like PiS and VOX and Sweden Democrats and Fratelli d'Italia. It's not, you know, a mainstream right group.

If these countries were represented in the EU Parliament, conceivably the UK Tories would be there too as ECR since they were a founding member. So the ECR group would look more like it did before Brexit.

[Bilardista]

I'll take a guess for argentina, based on who i think they'd get along with better:

PRO would be in EPP
PS, GEN in PES
UCR either in PES or ALDE
CC-ARI in ALDE
The Left Front parties in PEL (assuming they overcome their instincts towards infighting and splintering)

As for the PJ and all it's minor satellite parties, i have no idea, is there a left wing equivalent of Identity and Democracy? If not, then the PJ would probably create one.

[Former President tack50]

I'll take a guess for argentina, based on who i think they'd get along with better:

PRO would be in EPP
PS, GEN in PES
UCR either in PES or ALDE
CC-ARI in ALDE
The Left Front parties in PEL (assuming they overcome their instincts towards infighting and splintering)

As for the PJ and all it's minor satellite parties, i have no idea, is there a left wing equivalent of Identity and Democracy? If not, then the PJ would probably create one.

I suppose PJ could have been an ok fit for the old EFDD group, which was pretty much Movimento 5 Stelle + UKIP before they went insane + couple random parties.

These days M5S is part of the Non Inscrits groups, alongside the Catalan Junts, a couple nazi parties and a couple randos. So again maybe they can cobble up something consisting of PJ+M5S+Junts+randos

[Bilardista]

I'll take a guess for argentina, based on who i think they'd get along with better:

PRO would be in EPP
PS, GEN in PES
UCR either in PES or ALDE
CC-ARI in ALDE
The Left Front parties in PEL (assuming they overcome their instincts towards infighting and splintering)

As for the PJ and all it's minor satellite parties, i have no idea, is there a left wing equivalent of Identity and Democracy? If not, then the PJ would probably create one.

I suppose PJ could have been an ok fit for the old EFDD group, which was pretty much Movimento 5 Stelle + UKIP before they went insane + couple random parties.

These days M5S is part of the Non Inscrits groups, alongside the Catalan Junts, a couple nazi parties and a couple randos. So again maybe they can cobble up something consisting of PJ+M5S+Junts+randos

I can see traditional peronists hanging out with M5S, and the 90's PJ would definitely be best buddies with Forza Italia. But kirchnerists are harder to pin down.

If transplanted to Europe, i imagine they'd be eurosceptics and against NATO, probably backed by russia, critical of Fidesz and PiS for the anti-LGBT stuff, but otherwise very supportive of their style of government, their main company would be eastern european parties and fringe figures of the west like George Galloway, but they could maybe convince Podemos to join them (they have good relations IRL).