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Question: Who do you think was a better president?
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JFK
 
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hcallega
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« on: March 18, 2010, 07:12:50 PM »

JFK for several reasons
1-Everything Johnson was proposing that was any good (Civil Rights, certain parts of the Great Society) were proposed by JFK to a certain extent or another.
2-Vietnam. The most polarizing event in American history which has left scars that have yet to be healed.
3-The Great Society did more good than harm, but it was very poorly executed and didn't resolve the problem of urban decay and poverty
4-JFK was a baller.
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hcallega
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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2010, 09:38:51 AM »

JFK saved the world from Nuclear War aprx 6-7 times. LBJ pushed America into a quagmire which doomed the Democratic Party for a generation.

Also, it's debatable if the Great Society (outside of Civil Rights) was so great anyway.
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hcallega
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2010, 03:51:52 PM »

JFK saved the world from Nuclear War aprx 6-7 times.

lol?

It's a miracle that the man didn't cause a nuclear war.

1-Cuban Missile Crisis: Did not do as Curtis LeMay and many of advisors wished and initiate a first strike.
2-Bay of Pigs: Did not invade Cuba following the failure of the Cuban fighters
3-Berlin: Ordered his generals to pull back troops in what looked like the beginning of World War Three
4-Laos: Pushed for negotiations rather than a confrontation
5-Vietnam: Planned on with drawling forces rather than get into what LBJ did
While these aren't all nuclear war, they prove that he was anything but a hawk.

Also, in terms of the Great Society, some parts of it were good. But by in large it was an example of noble intentions, followed by bad administration and poor implementation. The belief that poverty can be ended through handouts is perhaps the most flat-out wrong belief when it comes to the War on Poverty. The only way to end the cycle of poverty is through jobs and education, neither of which were effectively provided by the Great Society. It was like the parent who think they are helping their child by giving them whatever they want (spoiling). It may do some good, but it dosen't teach them the life skills necessary for the future. I tend to agree with RFK on this: jobs not welfare, private sector not strictly public sector.
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