o hai

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I include Marnetmar in that category, btw, because the more I think about it, it really wasn't right of him to post this either (especially given his reason for posting the PM).  I don't know what the deal is with him not receiving a PM from PJ, all I know about that is what PJ told me.

I'm afraid I don't understand. I saw dishonesty and felt that it shouldn't be kept secret.Is this an invalid reason somehow? I don't care what party it is.

I'm not gonna leak the PM, but that certainly wasn't the impression I got.  That may have been part of it, but it didn't sound like why you said you leaked it.  IIRC, you said you thought it would be fun and humorous to play Julian Assange when I asked you what would be gained from ruining my reputation and humiliating me in public over this since I had already told you that I regretted it and wasn't going to do it again (I forget the exact words, and no, you don't have permission to post those PMs just because I alludes to them) even before I knew you leaked it.  I could be wrong, but that doesn't sound like moral outrage so much as having fun at someone else's expense simply because you could.  Also I did let you know at least once (possibly twice, I forget) that posting PMs was against site policy, so it isn't like you didn't know better.  I think it is against ToS to post them, or at least gets you death points, but I could be wrong. 

You pointed out to me that this was a simulation game and wasn't to be taken seriously, so the mindset had shifted. In said simulation, I see an action that is morally wrong and expose it.

I said I thought some people took it too seriously, but I also said the other things.  You knew it was going to stop even if you didn't leak it.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

What a mess this thread is. It makes me happy I'm still an independent and even happier that The People's Party was drama free during its time (internally at least). RIP The Party.

[Adam Griffin]

I include Marnetmar in that category, btw, because the more I think about it, it really wasn't right of him to post this either (especially given his reason for posting the PM).  I don't know what the deal is with him not receiving a PM from PJ, all I know about that is what PJ told me.

I'm afraid I don't understand. I saw dishonesty and felt that it shouldn't be kept secret.Is this an invalid reason somehow? I don't care what party it is.

I'm not gonna leak the PM, but that certainly wasn't the impression I got.  That may have been part of it, but it didn't sound like why you said you leaked it.  IIRC, you said you thought it would be fun and humorous to play Julian Assange when I asked you what would be gained from ruining my reputation and humiliating me in public over this since I had already told you that I regretted it and wasn't going to do it again (I forget the exact words, and no, you don't have permission to post those PMs just because I alludes to them) even before I knew you leaked it.  I could be wrong, but that doesn't sound like moral outrage so much as having fun at someone else's expense simply because you could.  Also I did let you know at least once (possibly twice, I forget) that posting PMs was against site policy, so it isn't like you didn't know better.  I think it is against ToS to post them, or at least gets you death points, but I could be wrong. 

You pointed out to me that this was a simulation game and wasn't to be taken seriously, so the mindset had shifted. In said simulation, I see an action that is morally wrong and expose it.

I said I thought some people took it too seriously, but I also said the other things.  You knew it was going to stop even if you didn't leak it.

Wait, so there was taunting and bragging about the release of PMs in order to humiliate someone? X, I'd just post all of the PMs received in one place if I were you, since we're all being so "moral" and whatnot. You'll get 10 death points and it'll all be over. Sounds like the altruistic side of things is anything but that.

I'm finding the likelihood of this being some sort of sting or meatpuppetry rapidly approaching 100%. A player who joined during the zombie surge in the Pacific, held office but never actually swore in IIRC and went MIA before Rimjob, and who otherwise has done nothing within the game since joining suddenly has the moral motivation to expose some sort of sordid details?

What a mess this thread is. It makes me happy I'm still an independent and even happier that The People's Party was drama free during its time (internally at least). RIP The Party.

Indeed. This may be the new substitute for Update in the meantime.