May 2011 Foreign Policy Review Senate Debate and Approval (Passed)

[Kaine for Senate '18]

So, do the Senators wish to amend and/or put this to a vote?  Or should we just scrap it, and wait for the new Administration?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I second the question. Looks at shua with a grave look.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Somehow I thought the Secretary was working on an answer to the question about the government v regime language, as my introducing an amendment would depend on the meaning of "partial restrictions".  However, if not I will not object to proceeding to a vote, though I will vote nay.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Senator, my answer is about three posts above you.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Senator, my answer is about three posts above you.

I saw that. You said you're not sure.  And until we actually have separate legislation, we can't reference it in the FPR so I don't see how that is a solution.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

I saw that. You said you're not sure.  And until we actually have separate legislation, we can't reference it in the FPR so I don't see how that is a solution.

Then why don't you introduce legislation commenting on the countries you wish to single out?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I saw that. You said you're not sure.  And until we actually have separate legislation, we can't reference it in the FPR so I don't see how that is a solution.

Then why don't you introduce legislation commenting on the countries you wish to single out?

In that case what is even the point of the FPR?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

I saw that. You said you're not sure.  And until we actually have separate legislation, we can't reference it in the FPR so I don't see how that is a solution.

Then why don't you introduce legislation commenting on the countries you wish to single out?

In that case what is even the point of the FPR?

Because for most countries such specificity isn't needed/desired.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I think that putting such detail into a broad report of this kind would be difficult. I think we should have a system where the Senate can pass a bill or the Executive branch can detail a specific situation and the SoEA can link to reference it in the Review such as like this:

Libya - Policy towards Libya govered by Senate Resolution 426 or Executive Order 16

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I saw that. You said you're not sure.  And until we actually have separate legislation, we can't reference it in the FPR so I don't see how that is a solution.

Then why don't you introduce legislation commenting on the countries you wish to single out?

In that case what is even the point of the FPR?

Because for most countries such specificity isn't needed/desired.

Tell me this at least: if you're not sure what it means, how do you expect us to vote on it?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

I think that putting such detail into a broad report of this kind would be difficult. I think we should have a system where the Senate can pass a bill or the Executive branch can detail a specific situation and the SoEA can link to reference it in the Review such as like this:

Libya - Policy towards Libya govered by Senate Resolution 426 or Executive Order 16

That's what I want in cases of specificity, yes.

Tell me this at least: if you're not sure what it means, how do you expect us to vote on it?

I find the phrasing odd; the purpose is to weaken the government.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

So, am I to assume we're just going to let the next Senate/SoEA handle this all over again?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

At this point probably and this is just ridiculous.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

To get this moved off the floor, I am opening a final vote (quicker then tabling really). Senators please vote, Aye, Nay, or Abstain.


Who knows, it might just pass.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Abstain

[Napoleon]

Nay

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Nay

[Oakvale]

Aye.

[Fuzzybigfoot]

Nay

[HappyWarrior]

Nay

[bgwah]

I don't agree with his foreign policy, but Ben is active and I doubt there are very many other people interested in putting any effort into this position...

So what the heck, I vote aye.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Aye

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Aye

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I don't agree with his foreign policy, but Ben is active and I doubt there are very many other people interested in putting any effort into this position...

So what the heck, I vote aye.

You make it sound like this is a confirmation vote.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

By my count its 4-3-1 (Aye, Nay, Abstain), with Happy voting after the start of the new senate.


Officepark and Snowguy have yet to vote.