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Queen Mum Inks.LWC
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« on: January 28, 2013, 01:56:33 AM »
« edited: February 28, 2013, 03:17:10 PM by Inks.LWC Supports Chuck Hagel »

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Queen Mum Inks.LWC
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« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2013, 09:51:21 PM »

As I've said before, any tie-breaking power will be a deal-breaker for me.
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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2013, 03:01:48 AM »

Other than the necessary fix to the Superior Court, to reflect our recent amendment, I will support the bill as it stands.
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2013, 12:50:31 AM »

So we're just taking out the whole Supreme Court part, right?
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2013, 09:40:50 PM »

We eliminated having joint appointments for one of them, didn't we?
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2013, 01:26:07 AM »

Nevermind, that was the Assembly.  OK.  Then I ask unanimous consent that TexasDem's Superior Court amendment be adopted.
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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2013, 02:46:28 AM »

After reconsidering, I think we should move this to having only the Governor do nominations for Senate and the Court.  I'll introduce amendments shortly.
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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2013, 10:39:07 PM »

After reconsidering, I think we should move this to having only the Governor do nominations for Senate and the Court.  I'll introduce amendments shortly.
Is your idea here to water down the position as much as possible to guarantee that it fail at the public vote?

No - my idea is to get a bill that I actually think is a good bill.  I think that's the goal of every Assemblyman.  Assume some good faith here.
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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2013, 10:43:54 PM »

After reconsidering, I think we should move this to having only the Governor do nominations for Senate and the Court.  I'll introduce amendments shortly.
Is your idea here to water down the position as much as possible to guarantee that it fail at the public vote?

No - my idea is to get a bill that I actually think is a good bill.  I think that's the goal of every Assemblyman.  Assume some good faith here.
But what is good about a position that has so few responsibilities? That makes it pointless.

I think the point of the LG's office should be to assume the Governorship if the Governor is absent.  And update the wiki.  That's pretty much it.
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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2013, 12:36:05 AM »

After reconsidering, I think we should move this to having only the Governor do nominations for Senate and the Court.  I'll introduce amendments shortly.
Is your idea here to water down the position as much as possible to guarantee that it fail at the public vote?

No - my idea is to get a bill that I actually think is a good bill.  I think that's the goal of every Assemblyman.  Assume some good faith here.
But what is good about a position that has so few responsibilities? That makes it pointless.

I think the point of the LG's office should be to assume the Governorship if the Governor is absent.  And update the wiki.  That's pretty much it.

There really needs to be more then that. I really like the idea of giving the LG the power that is being proposed for the Vice Presidency. Let it be a executive-legislative hybrid.

Well, I disagree with that.  I guess, as a compromise, I'll go with giving the LG co-nomination power.  But that's the extent that I'll vote for.
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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2013, 03:51:05 PM »

Governor, if you're unhappy with the bill the Assembly is crafting, why did you propose the Assembly make the Amendment?
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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2013, 04:49:08 PM »

Governor, if you're unhappy with the bill the Assembly is crafting, why did you propose the Assembly make the Amendment?
You'll have to be a little bit more specific on what amendment you are talking about. I guess I thought Assembly appointments were still joint in the updated version, but apparently not.

I mean the whole bill.  Why did you introduce this bill to the Assembly just to criticize the decision some of us are makiin.
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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2013, 04:55:09 PM »

Hmm... I must be thinking of something else.  Nevermind.
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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2013, 05:22:10 PM »

None of my ideas have the votes to pass in the Assembly, as they've already been discussed:
It was to implement what I have long advocated for (before the federal amendment, I might add), which is a "hybrid" position with powers in the executive and legislative branch. I think it should at least have some minor role, such as serve as the President of the Assembly, similar what the Lt. does IRL.

So eliminate the Speaker's role, essentially?

If you guys are happy with the bill as is, I'll support its passage here.
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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2013, 09:58:22 PM »

None of my ideas have the votes to pass in the Assembly, as they've already been discussed:
It was to implement what I have long advocated for (before the federal amendment, I might add), which is a "hybrid" position with powers in the executive and legislative branch. I think it should at least have some minor role, such as serve as the President of the Assembly, similar what the Lt. does IRL.

So eliminate the Speaker's role, essentially?

If you guys are happy with the bill as is, I'll support its passage here.
No - they would open and close each session and take over if the Speaker ever has a LOA.

I would vote against any such bill.
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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2013, 12:19:43 AM »

None of my ideas have the votes to pass in the Assembly, as they've already been discussed:
It was to implement what I have long advocated for (before the federal amendment, I might add), which is a "hybrid" position with powers in the executive and legislative branch. I think it should at least have some minor role, such as serve as the President of the Assembly, similar what the Lt. does IRL.

So eliminate the Speaker's role, essentially?

If you guys are happy with the bill as is, I'll support its passage here.
No - they would open and close each session and take over if the Speaker ever has a LOA.

I would vote against any such bill.
How is that a dealbreaker?

Because I am opposed to the LG having any control over the Assembly.
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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2013, 06:10:14 AM »

I think we're ready for a vote, as the Assemblymembers seem to be in agreement.  Members will vote AYE, NAY, or ABSTAIN.  This will be a 48-hour vote.

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« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2013, 08:52:08 PM »
« Edited: February 09, 2013, 12:15:23 AM by Inks.LWC Supports Chuck Hagel »

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« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2013, 12:15:42 AM »


Wrong bill... thanks.
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« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2013, 10:04:58 PM »

Voting is now closed.  The AYEs are 4, and the NAYs are 1.  The AYEs have it, and the bill has passed.  The amendment will now go before the people for ratification.
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