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« on: May 02, 2014, 08:50:51 AM »

Put in international discussion because it's centered around Venezuela, but it applies to the unfortunate mentality that some people have to support any large-scale protests no matter who's protesting or what they're protesting for/against.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/04/power-to-which-people/
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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2014, 04:47:47 PM »

Put in international discussion because it's centered around Venezuela, but it applies to the unfortunate mentality that some people have to support any large-scale protests no matter who's protesting or what they're protesting for/against.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/04/power-to-which-people/

Its a fair point, but Venezuela may be a bad example as the Bolivarian Revolution created its own elite that has turned out to be as oppressive and corrupt as the old one, or even worse in certain regards. Plus the near breakdown of the economy makes people desperate for change.

Even if you claim that the privileged are not part of "the people" you have large parts of Venezuela where the vast majority of the common people are against the regime.
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2014, 05:57:22 PM »

Put in international discussion because it's centered around Venezuela, but it applies to the unfortunate mentality that some people have to support any large-scale protests no matter who's protesting or what they're protesting for/against.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/04/power-to-which-people/

Its a fair point, but Venezuela may be a bad example as the Bolivarian Revolution created its own elite that has turned out to be as oppressive and corrupt as the old one, or even worse in certain regards. Plus the near breakdown of the economy makes people desperate for change.

Even if you claim that the privileged are not part of "the people" you have large parts of Venezuela where the vast majority of the common people are against the regime.

Much of that is true, and the article (and other Venezuela articles on Jacobin) highlight the many issues with the Bolivarian revolution (for instance, the brazen corruption which is literally costing hundreds of billions of dollars and leading to shortages), but pre-Chavez Venezuela was on balance a much nastier place.
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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2014, 06:11:39 PM »

Put in international discussion because it's centered around Venezuela, but it applies to the unfortunate mentality that some people have to support any large-scale protests no matter who's protesting or what they're protesting for/against.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/04/power-to-which-people/

Its a fair point, but Venezuela may be a bad example as the Bolivarian Revolution created its own elite that has turned out to be as oppressive and corrupt as the old one, or even worse in certain regards. Plus the near breakdown of the economy makes people desperate for change.

Even if you claim that the privileged are not part of "the people" you have large parts of Venezuela where the vast majority of the common people are against the regime.

Much of that is true, and the article (and other Venezuela articles on Jacobin) highlight the many issues with the Bolivarian revolution (for instance, the brazen corruption which is literally costing hundreds of billions of dollars and leading to shortages), but pre-Chavez Venezuela was on balance a much nastier place.

Considering how much Chavez curtailed political and economic freedoms, it's remarkable you can say that with a straight face.
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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2014, 06:21:36 PM »

Put in international discussion because it's centered around Venezuela, but it applies to the unfortunate mentality that some people have to support any large-scale protests no matter who's protesting or what they're protesting for/against.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/04/power-to-which-people/

Its a fair point, but Venezuela may be a bad example as the Bolivarian Revolution created its own elite that has turned out to be as oppressive and corrupt as the old one, or even worse in certain regards. Plus the near breakdown of the economy makes people desperate for change.

Even if you claim that the privileged are not part of "the people" you have large parts of Venezuela where the vast majority of the common people are against the regime.

Much of that is true, and the article (and other Venezuela articles on Jacobin) highlight the many issues with the Bolivarian revolution (for instance, the brazen corruption which is literally costing hundreds of billions of dollars and leading to shortages), but pre-Chavez Venezuela was on balance a much nastier place.

Considering how much Chavez curtailed political and economic freedoms, it's remarkable you can say that with a straight face.

ehh, Chavez did improve it a good deal. Maduro on the other hand...
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2014, 06:23:53 PM »
« Edited: May 03, 2014, 06:25:34 PM by Snowstalker »

ehh, Chavez did improve it a good deal. Maduro on the other hand...

Maduro is certainly an utter incompetent who shouldn't have succeeded Chavez anyway, but his mismanagement has been more passive than active.

Considering how much Chavez curtailed political and economic freedoms, it's remarkable you can say that with a straight face.

No he didn't.
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