UK General Discussion: 2017 and onwards, Mayhem

[NewYorkExpress]

Here's an image of what's supposed to be a stamp featuring a Royal Navy ship, with British troops landing in Normandy. Can you tell me what is wrong with the proposed stamp?


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6538047/Royal-Mail-apologises-D-Day-stamp-shambles.html

[brucejoel99]

Here's an image of what's supposed to be a stamp featuring a Royal Navy ship, with British troops landing in Normandy. Can you tell me what is wrong with the proposed stamp?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6538047/Royal-Mail-apologises-D-Day-stamp-shambles.html

At least it wasn't printed yet lol

[Zinneke]

Clearly a talented and respected man- but tbf you can never actually know how well someone would perform as PM until you see them in a senior cabinet role. (Indeed even this is questionable- if GB died in 2006, no doubt he’d be hailed as the best PM we never had)

Brown was arguably screwed by two factors outside his control - the global financial crisis and the exponential rise in the importance of consistent presentability in politics in the age of 24h news and emerging social media. He arrived in the PM chair right at the inflexion point of when the New Labour brand could no longer be controlled from within.  

There's certainly an argument that he would have benefited from being around in the 70s, and 80s- but I remember doing reading about political media in that era, where the common complaint was that it was 'too personality' orientated and 'too flashy'. They said that politicians like Michael Foot, who were rightly intellectual giants, had been caught flat footed. Indeed to take it to extreme lengths I remember reading how some liberal politician in the 30s couldn't do radio broadcasts because he kept speaking like he was at a hustings. It's always a complaint of politicians that they're living in the wrong media age- but it's fascinating in that it can often be reversed (compare the power of the British Press in the 1992 election, with that in 2017)

Interesting perspective that's actually pretty relevant : since the 60s politicians will probably always say they were best suited to the previous mediatic era. I still think Brown's gaffes and the rumours of his short temper would not have gotten out without the exponential rise of the "staged" campaign trails in front of cameras almost dominating, and the introduction of the TV debates (which arguably benefitted Clegg with young centre-left voters). He was expecting a Blair style campaign where he had a fellow intellectual in front of him asking him hard policy questions instead of QT, when arguably Blair would have been better suited to the TV debates.  

Blair was a better all round "constant campaigner" type figure and that suits modern politics more than the late 90s. And part of his reformation of the PM's responsibilities reflected that, including greater foreign policy role.

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Oh not disagreeing that Brown handled the crisis relatively well and that he was the right man in Labour to tackle it. I just think that the GFC was bound to and has cause incumbent governments, and the establishment centre-left in particular, to fall. There was little way Brown could survive that in 2010.

[parochial boy]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/08/heathrow-airport-departures-suspended-after-drone-sighting

Lol! Joke Country!

On a side note, I'm supposed to be flying home from Heathrow this weekend, so they'd better get this sorted quick....

[DaWN]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/08/heathrow-airport-departures-suspended-after-drone-sighting

Lol! Joke Country!

On a side note, I'm supposed to be flying home from Heathrow this weekend, so they'd better get this sorted quick....

A sentiment I can hardly disagree with, although not because of this. Even though it's really stupid that it's happened AGAIN, there's really very little to be immediately done. If after three days the authorities have been as crap with it as they have been with Gatwick, then I'll be more inclined to agree.

[PSOL]

The likelihood of a no-deal BREXIT just got higher

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/08/theresa-may-suffers-commons-defeat-over-no-deal-brexit

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Will a few MPs cave in and accept the current deal the next round of voting?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Actually, that voted probably lowered the chance of a no-deal Brexit, but makes such a thing worse if it happens. What increased was the chance for remain, be it temporary or permanent.

[Hnv1]

Bercow really doesn't like May.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Bercow really doesn't like May.

Who does at this point?

[Alabama_Indy10]

Bercow really doesn't like May.

Who does at this point?

[vileplume]

Bercow really doesn't like May.

Who does at this point?

She's still more popular than Corbyn though...

[Pandaguineapig]

Bercow really doesn't like May.

Who does at this point?

She's still more popular than Corbyn though...

Being more popular than a hardcore anti-semite isn't something to write home about

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Beautiful poll from the Gold Standard!

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1083868601491382272

If you're still rooting for Corbyn to take power after the last few months, you're either rooting for an antisemitic terror state or a war to prevent one.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

If you're still rooting for Corbyn to take power after the last few months, you're either rooting for an antisemitic terror state or a war to prevent one.

Or perhaps you don't base your entire politics around Israel.  Right now on Britain's list of things to worry about, the whole Middle East doesn't even make the Top 100.

[Intell]

Beautiful poll from the Gold Standard!

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1083868601491382272

If you're still rooting for Corbyn to take power after the last few months, you're either rooting for an antisemitic terror state or a war to prevent one.

lol. Corbyn will be in power and nothing of substantial difference will happen in regards to Israel-Palestine,  Israel will continue to be a settler state oppressing the rights of Palestinians. The west bank will continue to be a poverty-stricken sh!thole and Gaza will continue to be run by religious fanatics as their hospitals and schools get shot at by the Isreali government. Youll be happy.

Corbyn could flat-out support a one-state solution (which he doesn't btw- he supports a two-state solution 1967 borders- albeit with stupidly supporting the right to return) and nothing would change.

But let's ignore the fact that conservatives support the vilest anti-Semitic and war criminal regime around the world such as Saudi Arabia.

The Corbyn is an anti-semtie is a dead trope that won't work with the British people and is designed to have people ignore the vile policies implemented by the conservative government.

#Corbyn for PM

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Beautiful poll from the Gold Standard!

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1083868601491382272

If you're still rooting for Corbyn to take power after the last few months, you're either rooting for an antisemitic terror state or a war to prevent one.

lol. Corbyn will be in power and nothing of substantial difference will happen in regards to Israel-Palestine,  Israel will continue to be a settler state oppressing the rights of Palestinians. The west bank will continue to be a poverty-stricken sh!thole and Gaza will continue to be run by religious fanatics as their hospitals and schools get shot at by the Isreali government. Youll be happy.

Corbyn could flat-out support a one-state solution (which he doesn't btw- he supports a two-state solution 1967 borders- albeit with stupidly supporting the right to return) and nothing would change.

But let's ignore the fact that conservatives support the vilest anti-Semitic and war criminal regime around the world such as Saudi Arabia.

The Corbyn is an anti-semtie is a dead trope that won't work with the British people and is designed to have people ignore the vile policies implemented by the conservative government.

#Corbyn for PM

Your coldblooded endorsement of the Western world's most antisemitic would-be leader in generations is noted. He won't be allowed to get control of Trident one way or another. Never again means never again.

[Intell]

Beautiful poll from the Gold Standard!

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1083868601491382272

If you're still rooting for Corbyn to take power after the last few months, you're either rooting for an antisemitic terror state or a war to prevent one.

lol. Corbyn will be in power and nothing of substantial difference will happen in regards to Israel-Palestine,  Israel will continue to be a settler state oppressing the rights of Palestinians. The west bank will continue to be a poverty-stricken sh!thole and Gaza will continue to be run by religious fanatics as their hospitals and schools get shot at by the Isreali government. Youll be happy.

Corbyn could flat-out support a one-state solution (which he doesn't btw- he supports a two-state solution 1967 borders- albeit with stupidly supporting the right to return) and nothing would change.

But let's ignore the fact that conservatives support the vilest anti-Semitic and war criminal regime around the world such as Saudi Arabia.

The Corbyn is an anti-semtie is a dead trope that won't work with the British people and is designed to have people ignore the vile policies implemented by the conservative government.

#Corbyn for PM

Your coldblooded endorsement of the Western world's most antisemitic would-be leader in generations is noted. He won't be allowed to get control of Trident one way or another. Never again means never again.

#Noted and Proud!

[Lechasseur]

Bercow really doesn't like May.

Bercow is a Conservative In Name Only, so that's not a shock

[Silent Hunter]

Labour had plenty of leads like that under Ed Milliband. Just saying.

[Lechasseur]

Labour had plenty of leads like that under Ed Milliband. Just saying.

True, it doesn't mean much. I think the preferred leader polls are generally more indicative of the election results than the preferred party polls.

[vileplume]

Beautiful poll from the Gold Standard!

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1083868601491382272

If you're still rooting for Corbyn to take power after the last few months, you're either rooting for an antisemitic terror state or a war to prevent one.

lol. Corbyn will be in power and nothing of substantial difference will happen in regards to Israel-Palestine,  Israel will continue to be a settler state oppressing the rights of Palestinians. The west bank will continue to be a poverty-stricken sh!thole and Gaza will continue to be run by religious fanatics as their hospitals and schools get shot at by the Isreali government. Youll be happy.

Corbyn could flat-out support a one-state solution (which he doesn't btw- he supports a two-state solution 1967 borders- albeit with stupidly supporting the right to return) and nothing would change.

But let's ignore the fact that conservatives support the vilest anti-Semitic and war criminal regime around the world such as Saudi Arabia.

The Corbyn is an anti-semtie is a dead trope that won't work with the British people and is designed to have people ignore the vile policies implemented by the conservative government.

#Corbyn for PM

Your coldblooded endorsement of the Western world's most antisemitic would-be leader in generations is noted. He won't be allowed to get control of Trident one way or another. Never again means never again.

Rather bold, IMO. Despite taking satisfaction in a majority of selections for marginal constituencies this time around, I’m still wary that Corbyn will have a big enough mandate with the PLP to go forward with abolishing Trident when he assumes the premiership. I like your thinking, though.

If Corbyn becomes PM (and yes it's still an if) it's very doubtful he'd have the numbers to abolish it. All Tory MPs will oppose the move as will the DUP and a huge number of Labour backbenchers. He'd probably need Blair-esque numbers in the house of commons which would require winning over loads of habitually Tory voters which isn't going to happen as these voters really, really dislike him. Len McCluskey and several other prominent union leaders oppose abolishing it too so it could even split his base.

Plus it would probably be advisable for Corbyn to stay away from issues such as abolishing trident altogether as nobody really cares about it beyond his hard left activist base (foreign policy more generally is an electoral minefield as far as Corbyn is concerned). Focusing on domestic 'bread and butter' issues such as austerity, inequality, the NHS etc. as they did in the 2017 election (avoiding 'culture war' issues too) would be a much better strategy as Labour's ideas carry on these issues have a much broader base of support.

[Hnv1]

If May doesn't resign after she loses the vote might as well bin the unwritten constitution.

[Alabama_Indy10]

When is this vote supposed to happen?

[Sir Tiki]

When is this vote supposed to happen?

8 PM on the deal itself (so 2 PM in Alabama), but voting for amendments to the deal begins at 7.

[Del Tachi]

If the vote fails, what options remain?  Delay or No Deal?  Is May out?  Do we get a general election?