Has the Reformation gone too far?

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

This played before the sermon today. Basically these two ultra-hipster looking guys (one with a very stereotypical hipster looking beard who the other guy mentions "even looks like Jesus" and the other guy with very hipster glasses) are sitting at a table and talking while drinking beers in color that's from an Instagram like filter. This part happens at one point (obviously this is a very loose paraphrase):

Beard guy: So anyway I think religion is a lot like that big name kngeg beer you likely drunk at college keg parties.
Glasses guy: How so?
Beard guy: Well it's gross. And odds are you don't really like it. But you drink it anyway because everyone else around is and it's kind of a societal expectation. And at the time you don't really know any better.
Glasses guy: Ha! That's so true!
Beard guy: But you see the sad thing is that it really does turn people off to Jesus. Like in college you discovered better beers. And there's plenty of better ways to God's word than the bad beer you drank when you were young and likely underage. Plenty of better ways to give the message just like all those awesome craft beers we have all around, and unique ways from other countries. But for some reason, people keep drinking the heavily advertised beer that's basically just slightly beer-flavored water and the toxic religion is the biggest out there and turning people off to Jesus. But just like the awesome craft beers flourish in the underground regardless, we're still getting people to buy into what Jesus is really all about. We just need to push the real message of Jesus more to let people know there's more it than religion, just as there's more to beer than what you'll see in a Super Bowl commercial.
Glasses guy: So true man! *they toast their bottles*

Seriously talk about knowing your audience. And honestly, it's a pretty good analogy.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I'm pretty sure that if you transported Martin Luther to the present day and he watched that, he'd have the same reaction you do, so calling it a product of "the Reformation" is a bit misleading. Come to think of it, Martin Luther probably drank far better beer than most American college students today though.

But anyway no, it didn't go far enough. Now what you see above is what it should've aimed for, not what Luther wanted which was basically somewhat modified Catholicism.

[H. Ross Peron]

The Presbyterians and/or Congregationalists struck the best balance.

[Sol]

Freedom Reformation, but it went too far.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Come to think of it, Martin Luther probably drank far better beer than most American college students today though.

The tangents you go to...

[Filuwaúrdjan]

His writings were about as consistent as those of the average American undergraduate as well...

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Only once we get Augustinian Hipsters.

[The Mikado]

I'm pretty sure that if you transported Martin Luther to the present day and he watched that, he'd have the same reaction you do, so calling it a product of "the Reformation" is a bit misleading. Come to think of it, Martin Luther probably drank far better beer than most American college students today though.

But anyway no, it didn't go far enough. Now what you see above is what it should've aimed for, not what Luther wanted which was basically somewhat modified Catholicism.

Few people spent more time saying the Reformation had gone too far than Martin Luther. Purely representational communion? Iconoclasm? Adult baptism? What kind of radicals are you?

[DemPGH]

Has the Reformation gone too far?

No. Once religion (Catholicism, the Latin Church, etc.) ceased to be an arm of the Government, and its worship ceased to be enforced, then what you see in the O.P. is perfectly expected. God always tells everyone something different, see.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Has the Reformation gone too far?

No. Once religion (Catholicism, the Latin Church, etc.) ceased to be an arm of the Government, and its worship ceased to be enforced, then what you see in the O.P. is perfectly expected. God always tells everyone something different, see.

LOL. You are a history student, right?

[DemPGH]

Has the Reformation gone too far?

No. Once religion (Catholicism, the Latin Church, etc.) ceased to be an arm of the Government, and its worship ceased to be enforced, then what you see in the O.P. is perfectly expected. God always tells everyone something different, see.

LOL. You are a history student, right?

Haha, was, past tense. Good days. Late Medieval, Renaissance, history of science (Margaret Cavendish was a fascinating person), Milton generally.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Has the Reformation gone too far?

No. Once religion (Catholicism, the Latin Church, etc.) ceased to be an arm of the Government, and its worship ceased to be enforced, then what you see in the O.P. is perfectly expected. God always tells everyone something different, see.

LOL. You are a history student, right?

Haha, was, past tense. Good days. Late Medieval, Renaissance, history of science (Margaret Cavendish was a fascinating person), Milton generally.

So then are you familiar with Cuius regio, eius religio and its meaning in the context of the Reformation?

[DemPGH]

^Augsburg "Peace"? Oh, sure. That specific thing was more a product of central Europe, I believe, but I think the general concept was fairly commonplace (although, as with England, there were plenty of Catholic plots to affect politics, which was what Liz was so legitimately worried about). But yeah, the religious turmoil tore central Europe apart, so it was decided that princely privilege would include telling everyone how to worship for the sake of "unity." Of course that settled nothing.

In any event, the Thirty Years War kind of stemmed from that, and it interrupted the work of one of my heroes: Johan Kepler. He figured out the Laws of Planetary Motion, then Newton later discovered the math behind those laws so as to explain them in natural, scientific terms. There was nothing mystical about them at all, but being religious, Kepler of course appealed to God to explain what he could not. I guess that "god" was Newton, haha.

You know, and then Milton railed against religion and government being so intertwined and so on. I like to look at Milton as a statesman more than a literary figure. He wrote beautiful, timeless treatises on divorce, religion and state, censorship, and other matters, and of course was on the side of progress.

As to the O.P., though, I mean, sure it's all gone too far - it went too far right from the beginning, but I think it's to be expected once religion is "de-centralized." You get pious hoaxers, scammers, deluded people masquerading as prophets, and so on.