The Imperial Dominion of the South's Legislature

[Wisconsin+17]

Mr Speaker, I believe that's sufficient to ensure passage.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Mr Speaker, I believe that's sufficient to ensure passage.

Thank you, Ben, for your diligence and attention to this matter. We need more people like you in our lives.

[Donerail]

With a vote of All to None, this bill does pass and is presented to the Emperor for his signature or veto.

[Donerail]

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Some basic regulations in order to create semi-humane conditions at dog/cat breeding facilities. Let debate commence.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     I am proud to sign this bill, such that the citizens of this region may bask in the light of Aliya Mustafina.



     On the Declaration of Aliya Mustafina Day Act: by the powers vested in me as Emperor of this region, I thus sign it into law.

     Be it resolved, X Emperor PiT

[Wisconsin+17]

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Mr. Speaker, I wish to thank the honourable member from the sacred state of South Carolina. You are a credit to your forebearers the sultans of secession.

[Wisconsin+17]

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This is what I think of this bill. There's some good stuff in there - but there's stuff that we could do without.

I move that clauses, 1,3,4,6,8 and 16 be struck from the bill.

[Zanas]

As we had already started that discussion previously, I will state my observations again :

I'm in favor of this bill obviously. I think we could maybe add a note on article 16, explaining why this 3-day delay. There could even be a typical form or flyer that should be given to any pet acquirer and explaining why it's not like buying a stuffed animal. The model of the flyer will be our administration's to establish, but the obligation to hand it out must be in the law.

[Wisconsin+17]

Mr. Speaker, I'd like to address the honourable senior member from the generous state of Georgia.

I appreciate the motivation behind the 3 day waiting period - except that it works to cross purposes with the motivation to place animals in shelters. The time period is already pretty tight.

This is why I oppose it - we'd be better off imposing a penalty for pet abandonment.

[Adam Griffin]

I'm not inherently against any particular in this bill, but it does seem like an awful lot of regulation - and that's coming from me. Lean support - unless I can be convinced otherwise.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Didn't we already do something with this? Anyway, I do think that co-Speaker Griffin has a point; this is somewhat overboard with a decent amount of redundancy.

[Zanas]

It may be true that this seems a bit of a lot of legislation for a subject that is not a top priority of the times, but Gandhi is often quoted as saying : "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." (even if the actual quote has not been recorded)

If we don't pass this legislation, the situation will stay at a status quo on this. It is only by passing this bill, and granting it with full publicity for the public of future pet buyers that we will be able to make things move. This is why I advocate my idea of a form handed out to buyers.

If we do not pass this bill, who will legislate on the subject ? Do our counties or towns have the legal possibility to pass such acts ? Can we in any way encourage them to do so, and in that case we could pass a much more general bill that would only be an enticement for our lower levels of legislation to act about it.

This subject is particularly sensitive to me as I am an almost vegetarian who believes we really need to start to ask ourselves a number of questions regarding our relation towards animals, how we use them as our own, whereas nothing has entitled us the power to do so.

[Wisconsin+17]

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Mr. Speaker, I would like to address the honourable junior member from the glorious state of Geogia. Pare out what you think could be cut from the bill, and I'll support that motion.

[Donerail]

     Didn't we already do something with this? Anyway, I do think that co-Speaker Griffin has a point; this is somewhat overboard with a decent amount of redundancy.

We did one involving horses and farm animals; this is for dogs and cats.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Maybe we should rename this the Michael Vick dog act.

[Adam Griffin]

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Mr. Speaker, I would like to address the honourable junior member from the glorious state of Geogia. Pare out what you think could be cut from the bill, and I'll support that motion.

I can agree with striking out Sections 4 & 8, and in addition I believe Section 12 could be scrapped as long as there are pans that prevent animals from defecating or urinating upon one another. I also think that since Section 2 effectively limits the size of the breeding operation, Section 12 would not be a huge concern.

[Wisconsin+17]

Mr. Speaker, I second the motion to strike sections 4, 8 and 12 from the bill.

[Wisconsin+17]

Mr. Speaker - In response to the honourable member from the great state of Georgia -

would you be willing to toss section 16 in as well?

[Zanas]

Actually I think that waiting has a valuable purpose. It ensures people take consciousness that they are not buying a stuffed animal. I think it should stay.

[Donerail]

4, 8, and 12 are accepted as friendly and striken. The purpose of 16 is to prevent the impulse buy and thus cut down on the numbers of dogs and cats that are abandoned.

[Wisconsin+17]

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Mr. Speaker - In response to the honourable senior member from the gregarious state of Georgia -

If a shelter keeps their dogs for a week - what does a 3 day wait do to their rescue ratio? The unintended effect is that many more dogs are going to be killed without being placed.  

[Zanas]

Could you explain that a bit ? I don't get it. Why would you want to kill dogs ?

[Wisconsin+17]

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Mr. Speaker.

Most shelters operate on a rather tight time limit, usually around a week. Dogs arrive and if they are not claimed by another person by then - they will be killed.

Shelters cannot afford to keep dogs for 3 more days just to accommodate this law. They will end up either turning dogs away, or shortening the limit to claiming animals to 4 days from a week. The result will be more dogs killed and fewer dogs placed with loving families, the exact opposite of what this bill wants to do.

A better solution would be to fine owners if their pets are abandoned.

[Donerail]

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Mr. Speaker.

Most shelters operate on a rather tight time limit, usually around a week. Dogs arrive and if they are not claimed by another person by then - they will be killed.

Shelters cannot afford to keep dogs for 3 more days just to accommodate this law. They will end up either turning dogs away, or shortening the limit to claiming animals to 4 days from a week. The result will be more dogs killed and fewer dogs placed with loving families, the exact opposite of what this bill wants to do.

A better solution would be to fine owners if their pets are abandoned.

I foresaw this part; that's why it only applies to pet stores and does not apply to shelters.

[Wisconsin+17]

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Mr. Speaker, Addressing the honourable member from the fantastic state of Florida.

I did not see that. I concede this point is well-taken and retract that objection.

However, I still have concerns. How are we going to enforce this waiting period? Won't this  incentivize private sales not subject to the wait period and reward businesses that choose to ignore the law?