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« on: December 14, 2016, 10:00:46 AM »
« edited: December 14, 2016, 10:03:54 AM by Shadows »

Michigan was similar to WI & looking at the article, it could be argued that she could have easily won WI & MI

Long article - But some key paragraphs -

Operatives watched packets of real-time voter information piled up in bins at the coordinated campaign headquarters. The sheets were updated only when they got ripped, or soaked with coffee. Existing packets with notes from the volunteers, including highlighting how much Trump inclination there was among some of the white male union members the Clinton campaign was sure would be with her, were tossed in the garbage.

Michigan operatives relay stories like one about an older woman in Flint who showed up at a Clinton campaign office, asking for a lawn sign and offering to canvass, being told these were not “scientifically” significant ways of increasing the vote, and leaving, never to return.

“I’ve never seen a campaign like this,” said Virgie Rollins, a Democratic National Committee member and longtime political hand in Michigan who described months of failed attempts to get attention to the collapse she was watching unfold in slow-motion among women and African-American millennials.

Everybody could see Hillary Clinton was cooked in Iowa. So when, a week-and-a-half out, the Service Employees International Union started hearing anxiety out of Michigan, union officials decided to reroute their volunteers, giving a desperate team on the ground around Detroit some hope.

They started prepping meals and organizing hotel rooms.

SEIU — which had wanted to go to Michigan from the beginning, but been ordered not to — dialed Clinton’s top campaign aides to tell them about the new plan. According to several people familiar with the call, Brooklyn was furious.

Turn that bus around, the Clinton team ordered SEIU. Those volunteers needed to stay in Iowa to fool Donald Trump into competing there, not drive to Michigan, where the Democrat’s models projected a 5-point win through the morning of Election Day.

Michigan organizers were shocked. It was the latest case of Brooklyn ignoring on-the-ground intel and pleas for help in a race that they felt slipping away at the end.

On the morning of Election Day, internal Clinton campaign numbers had her winning Michigan by 5 points. By 1 p.m., an aide on the ground called headquarters; the voter turnout tracking system they’d built themselves in defiance of orders — Brooklyn had told operatives in the state they didn’t care about those numbers, and specifically told them not to use any resources to get them — showed urban precincts down 25 percent. Maybe they should get worried, the Michigan operatives said.

Nope, they were told. She was going to win by 5. All Brooklyn’s data said so.
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« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2016, 08:16:18 PM »

Obamacare - is an incredibly flawed system so I am glad they are over-turning it as long as they have a good plan. Trump was the only candidate who said he won't let people die while being attacked by Cruz for supporting socialized medicine, etc. Trump earlier supported Single payer & always focused on replaced when he repeals. Whether he does anything is different. But Obamacare is too flawed to save - Look at the premiums - You can give insurance to any number of people - If people can't afford it, it is meaningless.

Economic Message -
What was Hillary's economic message despite her borrowing had a dozen proposals from Bernie? Nothing. Zilch. Or even if she had, she barely spoke about it & it was all Trump is disgusting. It is a matter of incredible shame that Trump, a right wing Republican, went to Hillary's left on Infrastructure, etc & promised to build roads, etc passionately multiple times in the debates while Hillary did nothing. Climate Change, Minimum Wage, etc etc - She barely spoke about it

Not Authentic & Scams- If Trump is a con man, then what better is Hillary? How on earth can someone have a server in her basement handling classified material? Or sell access for donations? I am not going into the pay to play accusations but she had some real baggage. She had no authenticity, she flip flopped on everything. She lied about everything. This is the same candidate who had a different private & public position.


If voting for Trump was bad, voting for Hillary wasn't great either - It was a a lesser of 2 evils & voting for 2 con people (Yes someone with her history & Private/Public position is a con woman)

Complete failure of Dem(Bill/Obama) & Hillary economics - If you want to blame Republicans in Congress, then Obama should take responsibility for destroying the party. He appointed a disaster in DSW, siphoned away resources to his own organization & under his watch the Dem party is on the verge of ruin. There has been no Minimum wage increase in almost 7 years.

People are seeing jobs shipped off. Finally TPP/NAFTA is a just litmus test kind of thing. In the mid-west, going forward that 1 issue alone will decide elections. Hillary supported NAFTA & TPP & you can't win the Mid-west with that record. In every logic, Hillary was a horrible candidate, as was Trump - So midwestern people went for Trump just to shake something up because the other person is a con too
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« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2016, 08:19:55 PM »

Lastly it is the other way around - Dems can't win the White House without the Mid-west, no chance. And the Dem party is on the verge of ruin, I fear it may become obsolete like the whigs - Look at the performance in state governor races.

Trump will not abandon his core voters as he is a smart person in 1 aspect - He wants to win in 2020, he will give the Midwestern people something or won't completely abandon then. I am confident he will be a failure, but I am pretty sure Trump will try to ensure not to make these people "suffer" as he has to win in 2020. There will be something for these folks.

Also it is pathetic to talk about letting people suffer & they deserve it because they didn't vote for your candidate. Especially when your candidate is an absolute fraud & a horrible candidate!
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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2016, 03:11:14 AM »

This isn't about a less than 1% loss. This was against freaking Trump, a sexual assaulter, a racist, a sexist who his own party disowned.

This was a race where MI, WI, PA should have been won by atleast 10-12%. Even if it was a 1% win, that doesn't change the narrative!
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