Opinion of the hard lefty laborites who are upper middle class or better

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Certainly better than upper middle class libertarians.

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I'm probably one of them...

So, Jbrase, what's your opinion of antiracist whites, feminist men, and anti-homophobic heterosexuals?

I am not saying they should have a certain ideology because of where they are in life, I just find it annoying sometimes when people talk about the poor and working class and have never lived among them. Someone's talk of socialism is a lot less convincing, to me personally, when the closest they've been to working in factory or on a farm was reading a book about the guilded age.

On a side note: I am not upper middle class, or suburban, or live in a basement, before anyone starts killing off strawmen.

Your understanding of working life is decidedly dated. The factories of the 21st century are the fast food operations, retailers, and the fields, yes, but agriculture has changed beyond recognition since the implementation of farm supports during the New Deal era. How much experience do you have with working in any of those settings, or even in the 'factories or farms' you describe above?

What you are essentially doing here is calling people out for being 'class traitors', denigrating them for not voting the way you think they should (judging by your posting history and your general attitude, you'd rather these people vote for libertarians or neoliberals, because that makes more sense to you in your stunted political horizons). In doing so, you are no better than the vast majorities of liberals who go after working class people for voting Republican in instances that they do.

Basically, this entire thread boils down to: "People who don't vote the way I think they should are stupid!" - Jbrase

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It's not about how they were brought up, it's about what they choose to do with what they have earned/inherited. If they still choose to live like Richie McRich or Posho McToff, they're godawful hypocrites. If they give their huge surplus of money away, to charity, or control their own consumption or openly agree with raising their own tax band. Some avoid tax, and this is again deplorably hypocritical.

Those who avoid taxes are hypocritical pieces of sh*t who absolutely don't belong in the left, obviously. Conspicuous consumption is pretty horrible and somewhat hypocritical as well. However, no one is obliged to give to charities. Private charity has absolutely nothing to do with public solidarity.

Obviously. Most charities are either way for plutocrats to avoid paying their fair share of taxes/intricate scams or money making operations. Take for example the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, a 'charity' that allows the Gates family to dodge taxation while using the money flowing into it to bust teachers' unions and advocate on behalf of education 'reform', all the while getting a tax write-off for it.

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HP.  Especially those who think the war on coal is good for miners.

Thank you for your input, HPJ.

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