Marjorie Taylor Greene craziness megathread

[roxas11]

Fuzzy we had “fact finding investigations” around voter fraud and they found nothing. You said you’d accept the courts as the final arbiter on whether voter fraud happened and when they ruled nothing fishy happened you just ignored it and kept saying voter fraud happened. This is no different then when you throw out accusations or talking points that get debunked and run away from the thread like nothing happened wait a couple days and post the same accusations or talking points again.

That presumes the Courts would actually hear the questions and hear witnesses.  That hasn't happened.  It should happen.  As for "debunked" allegations, the MSM lacks the credibilty to debunk anything about this past election.  They have not been objective reporters of fact; they have been activists in the tank to elect Biden at all costs.  An independent press is something we don't have now.

We've spend millions on Russiagate (which has been debunked by investigation).  We can spend money on this.  There is cause for it.  People who are actually liberal should be fine with this.

Unlike this Nonsense at least Russiagate had 2 big undisputed facts that Justified why so many people wanted investigation to look into it

1. Russia really did interfere in 2016 election
2. Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort really did try to get Dirt on Hillary from Russian lobbyists at the now infamous Trump tower meeting.


In the case of 2020 election Trump has not even come close to proving anthing wrong happend here at all. Now having said that if Trump and his supporters can actually show Undisputed evidence that there was enough voter fraud to reverse a so called "landslide election win" for Trump than I will be open to to an investigation

but until than Trump and his supporters are sore losers who failed to prove their case to the majority of the American people  

[Yoda]

even if Marjorie Taylor Greene is expelled or removed from office it wont matter in the end because  the people in her district will simply pick somebody else that is even crazier than she currently is just to "own the lib's and the media"


love her or hate Marjorie Taylor Greene is perfect representation of her district and removing her will not solve anyhing nor will it address the reason her district voted for somebody like her in the first place

Marjorie Taylor Greene is just a symptom of a larger problem

unless we can find a realistic way to combat the conspiracy theories and stop the radicalization that we are seeing on social media  I fear we will see even more people like Marjorie Taylor Greene heading to Congress in the future....

Jfc.....I'm not arguing with you b/c I don't know but God help us all if that's true. It's horrifying to think this woman is a perfect representation of anything besides a particularly insane 4chan thread.

[Yoda]

Strip her of all her major committee assignments, cosigning her to sitting on more irrelevant committees. If she repeats remarks such as calling for Pelosi's execution or other crazy things she has said over the years, move to expel.

The GOP could expel her from the Caucus.  She could respond by collecting a paycheck for doing nothing for 2 years, but that might be a good thing.

For those of you that view MTG as an aberration, remember that her election is very much in the spirit of democracy.  There is a reason the Founders limited popular election of Federal officials solely to the House of Representatives; they believed that "the people" would elect all sorts of MTGs.  It's one of a number of reasons of why the Founders opted for a bi-cameral legislature.

It's also a reason why we are not a "democracy", but a REPUBLIC.  Our Republic has, to be sure, democratic features, but we are not a "democracy".  The "Guaranty Clause" guarantees that each state will have a "republican form of government", and not a "democratic form of government".  The older I get the more appreciative of this principle I become.

The words democracy and republic are not mutually exclusive. America was founded and remains a democratic republic

I've really come to hate the statement "we're a republic, not a democracy." This country functions as a republic and representative democracy, and direct Congressional elections are constitutionally enshrined as such. So what exactly is the point of that statement? To illustrate that having people vote on every single government action is bad? Yeah, I think it would be bad, but we don't do it anyway, so whatever. We the people sure do elect representatives to make and execute the law, though.

It seems like 90% of the time I see that statement on the internet, it's just some conservative trying to explain why their attempts to try and rig an election in their favor (or steal it after the fact) is somehow justifiable, because something something republic.

ding ding ding! We have a winner. I wish this was reddit and I could give you gold or something. Every single time a republican blathers about a "republic", it's to justify tyranny of the minority.

[Former President tack50]

ding ding ding! We have a winner. I wish this was reddit and I could give you gold or something. Every single time a republican blathers about a "republic", it's to justify tyranny of the minority.

Honestly everyone who uses the argument "The US are a republic, not a democracy" should be reminded that republic literally just means the absence of a monarchy.

The US are a democracy simply by the fact that they have free and fair elections to elect their leaders.

I doubt any Republican who uses that argument would want the US to actually become one of those "we are a Republic, not a democracy" countries like the People's Republic of China, the Islamic Republic of Iran or the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela for example

All 3 of those are just as much of a Republic as the US. It's just that they are not democratic republics.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

https://twitter.com/harikunzru/status/1355742379827998722

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1355715117984440321

Also:

https://twitter.com/charlesbethea/status/1355587931814113282

Greene is very much like Trump, and a couple of ways they're similar is a lack of self-discipline and a thin skin.  As such, groups like the Lincoln Project find it easy to provoke them.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Fuzzy we had “fact finding investigations” around voter fraud and they found nothing. You said you’d accept the courts as the final arbiter on whether voter fraud happened and when they ruled nothing fishy happened you just ignored it and kept saying voter fraud happened. This is no different then when you throw out accusations or talking points that get debunked and run away from the thread like nothing happened wait a couple days and post the same accusations or talking points again.

That presumes the Courts would actually hear the questions and hear witnesses.  That hasn't happened.  It should happen.  As for "debunked" allegations, the MSM lacks the credibilty to debunk anything about this past election.  They have not been objective reporters of fact; they have been activists in the tank to elect Biden at all costs.  An independent press is something we don't have now.

We've spend millions on Russiagate (which has been debunked by investigation).  We can spend money on this.  There is cause for it.  People who are actually liberal should be fine with this.

If that is the case than Trump has no one to blame but himself
He had more than enough opportunities to present compelling evidence to Judges that he Himself appointed to the courts

We should not have to spend tax payer money on a silly fact finding investigation just because trump hired and incompetent lawyer like Rudy Giuliani who could not even get "Trump Judges" to take his claims of voter fraud seriously

A couple weeks back, I went and dug through all the post-election 2020 lawsuits listed in Wikipedia. While I'm not about to read them all again, and my notes are far from detailed enough for formal publication, the results of even a casual review demolish the claims of election deniers like Fuzzy.

I went through 54 cases. The results were (with four unresolved at that time):

Lack of Standing/Dismissed as Moot/Too late/wrong jurisdiction: 15

Dropped/Voluntarily Dismissed: 11

Without Substantial Justification/Solely or primarily for delay or harassment:  1

Ruling Issued: 3
Bailey v. Antrim Cty (MI)
Judge allowed release of the plaintiff's report on voting machine security.

Trump v Biden (WI)
Ruled in favor of the respondents: Biden et al.
The district court "affirmed" the certification of Wisconsin's presidential election result

Donald J. Trump for President v. Boockvar and Cty. Bds. of Elections (PA)
The court concluded that Kathy Boockvar, Secretary of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, lacked statutory authority to prolong the deadline for proof of identification and ordered for such segregated ballots not to be counted. May be appealed to the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania.


Dismissed: 20
(selected excerpts from dismissals follow):

"sorely wanting of relevant or reliable evidence"/ "largely based on anonymous witnesses, hearsay, and irrelevant analysis of unrelated elections"

"no allegations of fraud or illegality"

"The Court finds no misconduct, no fraud, and no effect on the outcome of the election."

"no evidence produced"

"no basis in fact or in law"

"[p]laintiffs’ interpretation of events is incorrect and not credible"

plaintiffs did "not offer any affidavits or specific eyewitness evidence to substantiate their assertions” “mere speculation”/ “plaintiffs' interpretation of events is incorrect and not credible"

"Plaintiff's allegations are largely based on declarations and newspaper articles. The Court would necessarily need to disregard those declarations as inadmissible hearsay. The Court finds that Plaintiff has offered no evidence sufficient to find any error…. that would warrant granting the relief sought here."

"petitioners failed to make a prima facie showing through substantial evidence that they were entitled to a preliminary injunction preventing the Secretary of State from implementing AB 4. Petitioners did not allege any burden that the challenged provisions of AB 4 impose on an identifiable group's right to vote"

"Contestants did not prove under any standard of proof that any illegal votes were cast and counted, or legal votes were not counted at all, for any other improper or illegal reason, nor in an amount equal to or greater than 33,596, or otherwise in an amount sufficient to raise reasonable doubt as to the outcome of the election"

"unhinged from the underlying right being asserted"

"voters should not be disenfranchised based on advisory portions of the Election Code"

"meritless"/"no basis in reason or law"

"claims fail as a matter of law and fact"/"lost on the merits"

[Inmate Trump]

Fuzzy we had “fact finding investigations” around voter fraud and they found nothing. You said you’d accept the courts as the final arbiter on whether voter fraud happened and when they ruled nothing fishy happened you just ignored it and kept saying voter fraud happened. This is no different then when you throw out accusations or talking points that get debunked and run away from the thread like nothing happened wait a couple days and post the same accusations or talking points again.

That presumes the Courts would actually hear the questions and hear witnesses.  That hasn't happened.  It should happen.  As for "debunked" allegations, the MSM lacks the credibilty to debunk anything about this past election.  They have not been objective reporters of fact; they have been activists in the tank to elect Biden at all costs.  An independent press is something we don't have now.

We've spend millions on Russiagate (which has been debunked by investigation).  We can spend money on this.  There is cause for it.  People who are actually liberal should be fine with this.

Why should the courts hear a case with no evidence or basis in fact?  There is no evidence, Fuzzy.  If there were, I'd agree that an investigation needs to be done.

But an investigation based purely on supposition from the losing side, without even a tiny bit of evidence to back it up?  No.  There has to be evidence of some wrongdoing, and if there isn't then you need to just admit your side lost.  Losing elections sucks, I get it.  But you did lose.  Be man enough to admit it.

In 2016, there was evidence of election interference, hence why the investigation was warranted.  In 2020, all you have is Trump and his people saying fraud happened and that's simply not good enough to warrant an investigation.

Either present evidence, or suck it up and prepare for 2024.




Now...can we get back on topic as to why MTG needs to go?

[Brittain33]

Fuzzy we had “fact finding investigations” around voter fraud and they found nothing. You said you’d accept the courts as the final arbiter on whether voter fraud happened and when they ruled nothing fishy happened you just ignored it and kept saying voter fraud happened. This is no different then when you throw out accusations or talking points that get debunked and run away from the thread like nothing happened wait a couple days and post the same accusations or talking points again.

That presumes the Courts would actually hear the questions and hear witnesses.  That hasn't happened. 

The main reason it didn't happen in the 60+ court cases Republicans lost is that when they were asked to submit evidence of fraud under oath, Giuliani and other Republicans declined to do so. This is because they knew they would be subject to perjury for making statements there which they happily made on tv and at rallies knowing they were false. Courts ruled against Trump 98% of the time because Trump's team had no evidence to back up their nonsense.

[It's Perro Sanxe wot won it]

I doubt any Republican who uses that argument would want the US to actually become one of those "we are a Republic, not a democracy" countries like the People's Republic of China, the Islamic Republic of Iran or the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela for example

All 3 of those are just as much of a Republic as the US. It's just that they are not democratic republics.

Becoming a non-democratic Republic with a dominant or even single-party system actually does sound a lot like what those Republicans want

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Fuzzy we had “fact finding investigations” around voter fraud and they found nothing. You said you’d accept the courts as the final arbiter on whether voter fraud happened and when they ruled nothing fishy happened you just ignored it and kept saying voter fraud happened. This is no different then when you throw out accusations or talking points that get debunked and run away from the thread like nothing happened wait a couple days and post the same accusations or talking points again.

That presumes the Courts would actually hear the questions and hear witnesses.  That hasn't happened.  It should happen.  As for "debunked" allegations, the MSM lacks the credibilty to debunk anything about this past election.  They have not been objective reporters of fact; they have been activists in the tank to elect Biden at all costs.  An independent press is something we don't have now.

We've spend millions on Russiagate (which has been debunked by investigation).  We can spend money on this.  There is cause for it.  People who are actually liberal should be fine with this.

Fuzzy, serious question: Do you think judges like Stephanos Bibas, Bill Pryor, Jeremy Kernodle, and for that matter Trump's three SCOTUS appointees participated in some sort of conspiracy or snow job to cover up or refuse to assess real evidence of electoral fraud against a Republican President? If so, what motives do you think they had for doing so?

[HAnnA MArin County]

Well, we all knew it would only be a matter of time before MTG was parodied on Saturday Night Live.

Not nearly as good as Cecily Strong's impersonations of Judge Box of Whine and Susan Collins, in my opinion, but still good.

[Kingpoleon]

It's also a reason why we are not a "democracy", but a REPUBLIC.  Our Republic has, to be sure, democratic features, but we are not a "democracy".  The "Guaranty Clause" guarantees that each state will have a "republican form of government", and not a "democratic form of government".  The older I get the more appreciative of this principle I become.

Democracy does NOT equal direct democracy - hence why there are two different terms for the two. This sort of linguistic magic trick is meaningless. The only definition of a Republic is NOT having a monarchy - North Korea is a Republic. To pretend these terms mean something they don’t is an odd prank on the English language.

[Badger]

Folks, kindly don't engage fuzzy further. At this point his posting regarding delusions of election fraud have degenerated to the level of an incontinent chimp throwing its never-ending stream of poop against the wall.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Now...can we get back on topic as to why MTG needs to go?

I've been thinking about this quite a bit. MGT is a mini-Trump already. She's demonstrating all the same characteristics he did in 2015 and both before and after:

*repeatedly spouting nonsense/baseless conspiracy theories that a large part of the Republican base really likes

*open disregard for  law and norms, verging on sedition

*a focus on personal entitlement and free publicly

*incapable of and uninterested in doing the job she was elected to do


In short, aggressive stupidity in service to a near-constant assault on reality.  This should all sound very familiar to anyone who has been conscious the last four plus years.

MGT should be treated the way Donald Trump should have been treated, the way he mostly has been treated since his failed coup (and which will hopefully continue). She should be largely ignored, silenced when she makes threats, and face the full weight of the law when she breaks it. Anything else just serves to empower her. (Parodying her on SNL, just like endlessly giving her free publicly by covering her aggressive stupidity, is almost-certainly the wrong way to go.)

[QAnonKelly]

I just think it's hilarious she's actually from Alpharetta. To be a fly on a wall on some of those PTA meetings or whatever. I wonder how many playdates her kids have been dis invited from.

"Mommy, why can't I go over to * insert kid's name* 's house?"
"Because his mommy thinks forest fires come from space laser beams"

[Roll Roons]

I just think it's hilarious she's actually from Alpharetta. To be a fly on a wall on some of those PTA meetings or whatever. I wonder how many playdates her kids have been dis invited from.

"Mommy, why can't I go over to * insert kid's name* 's house?"
"Because his mommy thinks forest fires come from space laser beams"

The thought of her having kids is extremely scary on so many levels.

[Badger]

I just think it's hilarious she's actually from Alpharetta. To be a fly on a wall on some of those PTA meetings or whatever. I wonder how many playdates her kids have been dis invited from.

"Mommy, why can't I go over to * insert kid's name* 's house?"
"Because his mommy thinks forest fires come from space laser beams"

Jewish space laser beams.

Speaking of MTG's children, this was supposedly posted on FB by her daughter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvBwD8M8LR0

I can't figure out if this is a hoax from someone not actually her daughter, crazy not falling far from the crazy tree, or a brilliant version of Claudia Conway trolling her psycho mom.

[HAnnA MArin County]

Reasonably confident she'll be on their presidential ticket next cycle.

That's what is so frightening. She's clearly taking a page out of Horrible Hawley's playbook and wants to run for a statewide office (Our Savior Stacey Abrams will put a stop to that, though).

[emailking]

Speaking of MTG's children, this was supposedly posted on FB by her daughter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvBwD8M8LR0

I can't figure out if this is a hoax from someone not actually her daughter, crazy not falling far from the crazy tree, or a brilliant version of Claudia Conway trolling her psycho mom.

That feels like a hoax or spoof.

If not, wow.

[emailking]

Doesn't really look like her daughter to me.

https://www.facebook.com/MarjorieTaylorGreene/posts/my-daughter-taylor-and-i-are-splitting-a-mcflurry-in-trenton-between-campaign-st/2495593440730751/

[Torrain]

Speaking of MTG's children, this was supposedly posted on FB by her daughter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvBwD8M8LR0

I can't figure out if this is a hoax from someone not actually her daughter, crazy not falling far from the crazy tree, or a brilliant version of Claudia Conway trolling her psycho mom.

That feels like a hoax or spoof.

If not, wow.

It’s a hoax. This same woman did a 5-minute “sketch” in which she pretended to be the wife of the podium guy from the Capitol attacks.

Her whole deal is pretending to be the relative of various notorious Trump supporters, saying ridiculous stuff and then posting it to her Twitter. Obviously it appears to be satire on her account, because she’s pretending to be different people in each video.

The problem is, the videos get spread around without that context, and people assume that they’re real. I’ll admit, I was fooled the first time around too. We’re so through the looking glass with some of these people that it’s increasingly hard to tell joke from reality.

Context:

https://mobile.twitter.com/blaireerskine/status/1347324955197923331

[John Dule]

So many Democrats in this thread are clearly scared of a strong woman being in a position of power. Cry all you want, incels-- she's not going to send you any feet pics.

[QAnonKelly]

I just think it's hilarious she's actually from Alpharetta. To be a fly on a wall on some of those PTA meetings or whatever. I wonder how many playdates her kids have been dis invited from.

"Mommy, why can't I go over to * insert kid's name* 's house?"
"Because his mommy thinks forest fires come from space laser beams"

Jewish space laser beams.

Speaking of MTG's children, this was supposedly posted on FB by her daughter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvBwD8M8LR0

I can't figure out if this is a hoax from someone not actually her daughter, crazy not falling far from the crazy tree, or a brilliant version of Claudia Conway trolling her psycho mom.

It’s a parody.

[Hnv1]

I thought she represented a conservative southern (culturally) area of Georgia, not a nut job place in Idaho. Weird