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« on: October 09, 2013, 09:50:02 PM »

Here is Pew Research Center's latest statistics from 2011 on the percentages of latinos in each state, both of the entire population, the under 18 population as well as the growth rate in each state. Source: http://www.pewhispanic.org/states/

All in all, Pew reported there were 52 million latinos living in the US in 2011, up from 50.5 million a year earlier. Based on this growth rate, we should expect about 56 million latinos living in the US at this day in time. Now, let's get back to the 2011 statistics.

State ranking on the entire latino population:

1.   New Mexico – 47%
2.   California – 38%
3.   Texas – 38%
4.   Arizona – 30%
5.   Nevada – 27%
6.   Florida – 23%
7.   Colorado – 21%
8.   New York – 18%
9.   New Jersey – 18%
      US average – 17%
10.   Illinois – 16%
11.   Connecticut – 14%
12.   Rhode Island – 13%
13.   Utah – 13%
14.   Oregon – 12%
15.   Washington – 12%
16.   Kansas – 11%
17.   Idaho – 11%
18.   Massachusetts – 10%
19.   Nebraska – 9%
20.   Oklahoma – 9%
21.   Hawaii – 9%
22.   Wyoming – 9%
23.   North Carolina – 9%
24.   Georgia – 9%
25.   Delaware – 8%
26.   Maryland – 8%
27.   Virginia – 8%
28.   Arkansas – 6%
29.   Pennsylvania – 6%
30.   Indiana – 6%
31.   Wisconsin – 6%
32.   Alaska – 6%
33.   Iowa – 5%
34.   Michigan – 5%
35.   Minnesota – 5%
36.   South Carolina – 5%
37.   Tennessee – 5%
38.   Missouri – 4%
39.   Alabama – 4%
40.   Louisiana – 4%
41.   Ohio – 3%
42.   Kentucky – 3%
43.   New Hampshire – 3%
44.   Mississippi – 3%
45.   Montana – 3%
46.   South Dakota – 3%
47.   North Dakota – 2%
48.   West Virginia – 1%
49.   Maine – 1%
50.   Vermont – 1%


Under 18 population rank:

1.   New Mexico – 59%
2.   California – 52%
3.   Texas – 49%
4.   Arizona – 44%
5.   Nevada – 40%
6.   Colorado – 31%
7.   Florida – 28%
8.   Illinois – 24%
      US average – 24%
9.   New York – 23%
10.   New Jersey – 23%
11.   Rhode Island – 21%
12.   Oregon – 21%
13.   Washington – 20%
14.   Utah – 17%
15.   Kansas – 17%
16.   Idaho – 17%
17.   Nebraska – 16%
18.   Massachusetts – 15%
19.   Oklahoma – 15%
20.   Hawaii – 15%
21.   Wyoming – 15%
22.   North Carolina – 14%
23.   Connecticut – 14%
24.   Delaware – 14%
25.   Georgia – 13%
26.   Maryland – 12%
27.   Virginia – 11%
28.   Arkansas – 11%
29.   Pennsylvania – 10%
30.   Indiana – 10%
31.   Wisconsin – 10%
32.   Iowa – 9%
33.   Alaska – 8%
34.   Michigan – 8%
35.   Minnesota – 8%
36.   South Carolina – 8%
37.   Tennessee – 7%
38.   Missouri – 6%
39.   Alabama – 6%
40.   Louisiana – 5%
41.   Ohio – 5%
42.   Kentucky – 5%
43.   New Hampshire – 5%
44.   Mississippi – 4%
45.   South Dakota – 4%
46.   Montana – 4% ? (n/a)
47.   North Dakota – 3% ? (n/a)
48.   West Virginia – 2%
49.   Maine – 2% ? (n/a)
50.   Vermont – 2% ? (n/a)


Biggest latino increase Under 18 versus Total population:

1.   California +14%
2.   Arizona +14%
3.   Nevada +13%
4.   New Mexico +12%
5.   Texas +11%
6.   Colorado +10%
7.   Oregon +9%
8.   Illinois +8%
9.   Rhode Island +8%
10.   Washington +8%
11.   Nebraska +7%
       US average +7%
12.   Kansas +6%
13.   Idaho +6%
14.   Oklahoma +6%
15.   Hawaii +6%
16.   Wyoming +6%
17.   Delaware +6%
18.   Florida +5%
19.   New York +5%
20.   New Jersey +5%
21.   Massachusetts +5%
22.   North Carolina +5%
23.   Arkansas +5%
24.   Utah +4%
25.   Georgia +4%
26.   Maryland +4%
27.   Pennsylvania +4%
28.   Indiana +4%
29.   Wisconsin +4%
30.   Iowa +4%
31.   Virginia +3%
32.   Michigan +3%
33.   Minnesota +3%
34.   South Carolina +3%
35.   Alaska +2%
36.   Tennessee +2%
37.   Missouri +2%
38.   Alabama +2%
39.   Ohio +2%
40.   Kentucky +2%
41.   New Hampshire +2%
42.   Louisiana +1%
43.   Mississippi +1%
44.   South Dakota +1%
45.   West Virginia +1%
46.   Montana – n/a
47.   North Dakota – n/a
48.   Maine – n/a
49.   Vermont – n/a
50.   Connecticut – No change


I've also costume-made this particular chart involving all three rankings above. I've awarded a state one point for topping each ranking, two points for placing second and so on.

Total latino points (current + under 18 + growth):

1.   California – 4 points
2.   New Mexico – 6 points
3.   Arizona – 10 points
4.   Texas – 11 points
5.   Nevada – 13 points
6.   Colorado – 19 points
7.   Illinois – 26 points
8.   Florida – 31 points
      US average – 31 points
9.   Rhode Island – 32 points
10.   Oregon – 33 points
11.   New York – 36 points
12.   Washington – 38 points
13.   New Jersey – 39 points
14.   Kansas – 43 points
15.   Idaho – 46 points
16.   Nebraska – 47 points
17.   Utah – 51 points
18.   Oklahoma – 53 points
19.   Hawaii – 56 points
20.   Massachusetts – 57 points
21.   Wyoming – 59 points
22.   Delaware – 66 points
23.   North Carolina – 67 points
24.   Georgia – 74 points
25.   Maryland – 78 points
26.   Arkansas – 79 points
27.   Connecticut – 84 points
28.   Virginia – 85 points
29.   Pennsylvania – 85 points
30.   Indiana – 88 points
31.   Wisconsin – 91 points
32.   Iowa – 95 points
33.   Michigan – 100 points
34.   Alaska – 100 points
35.   Minnesota – 103 points
36.   South Carolina – 106 points
37.   Tennessee – 110 points
38.   Missouri – 113 points
39.   Alabama – 116 points
40.   Ohio – 121 points
41.   Louisiana – 122 points
42.   Kentucky – 124 points
43.   New Hampshire – 127 points
44.   Mississippi – 131 points
45.   South Dakota – 135 points
46.   Montana – 137 points
47.   North Dakota – 141 points
48.   West Virginia – 141 points
49.   Maine – 146 points
50.   Vermont – 149 points


As the latino population is by far the ethnic population expected to increase the most over the next decades, reaching 30% of the entire US population by 2050, which would mean more than 130 million latinos living in the states at that time, what do these statistics tell us about where each state is heading in the electoral winds that keep blowing? And which of the rankings would you consider the most important in that aspect? The growth rate? The under 18 population? Notice how little the latino percentage in states like Connecticut and Utah are growing compared to most similar states like them. They both have 13-14% latinos as of today (which is quite a lot compared to most other states), yet they don't have a lot of latino youth/children at all. One reason, for Utah, might be that the white population in that state still have a ton of children as well. Connecticut is harder to explain however.
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« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2013, 10:28:27 PM »

3.   Texas – 38%
4.   Arizona – 30%

Under 18 population rank:
3.   Texas – 49%
4.   Arizona – 44%

Biggest latino increase Under 18 versus Total population:
2.   Arizona +14%
5.   Texas +11%

3.   Arizona – 10 points
4.   Texas – 11 points

I spy, with my little eye, problems for the GOP!
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« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2013, 01:28:44 PM »
« Edited: October 10, 2013, 01:30:24 PM by barfbag »

I thought it was between 4-5%. Something needs to be done about this in our party. Latinos are Republicans but don't know it. If we focus on the free market over the communist and socialist countries they came from combined with social conservative values. I'm sure they'd support school choice.
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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2013, 01:53:55 PM »

I thought it was between 4-5%. Something needs to be done about this in our party. Latinos are Republicans but don't know it. If we focus on the free market over the communist and socialist countries they came from combined with social conservative values. I'm sure they'd support school choice.

Except for Florida, most of the Latino here are NOT Cuban.
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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2013, 02:01:48 PM »

I thought it was between 4-5%. Something needs to be done about this in our party. Latinos are Republicans but don't know it. If we focus on the free market over the communist and socialist countries they came from combined with social conservative values. I'm sure they'd support school choice.

The idea that Latinos are natural Republicans, but don't know it is wrong and a tad bit racist.   Latinos support abortion, gay marraige and Obamacare at a rate higher than the national average.
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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2013, 02:02:29 PM »

Latinos are Republicans but don't know it.

You are an idiot. And that's actually a really racist thing to say if you think about it; "our ideas are best for these people but they just don't realize it." That's ridiculous. That's like a Democrat saying members of the white working class are Democrats but they don't know it because our fiscal policies are better for them, and they only vote Republican due to their fear of government and gays. People choose how they vote; they aren't boxed into nice little categories like you want to think. Shame on you.
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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2013, 02:04:13 PM »

I thought it was between 4-5%. Something needs to be done about this in our party. Latinos are Republicans but don't know it. If we focus on the free market over the communist and socialist countries they came from combined with social conservative values. I'm sure they'd support school choice.

The idea that Latinos are natural Republicans, but don't know it is wrong and a tad bit racist.   Latinos support abortion, gay marraige and Obamacare at a rate higher than the national average.

Not to mention immigration reform and liberal fiscal policies/social programs. The only argument one could potentially make about Latinos being Republicans who don't know it is that, as a result of their faith and religious convictions, they oppose gay marriage and abortion, that they are cultural conservatives, but we now know even that isn't true.
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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2013, 02:06:58 PM »

I thought it was between 4-5%. Something needs to be done about this in our party. Latinos are Republicans but don't know it. If we focus on the free market over the communist and socialist countries they came from combined with social conservative values. I'm sure they'd support school choice.

The idea that Latinos are natural Republicans, but don't know it is wrong and a tad bit racist.   Latinos support abortion, gay marraige and Obamacare at a rate higher than the national average.

Yes in our country but it's only because Republicans haven't reached out to them. Many Latinos are still getting used to our country and finding out what things are about in greater numbers than non-Latinos. Their ideals of social conservatism as a whole and belief in hard work better fits Republicans.
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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2013, 02:39:41 PM »


What did you think was 4-5%?
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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2013, 02:45:04 PM »


The Latino population.
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« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2013, 02:51:35 PM »


Ok, I have to admit that's funny, but in fact Romney and the rest of your party do seem to act as if they believe something in that ballpark.
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« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2013, 03:05:37 PM »

Yay, more liberal hype.
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« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2013, 03:07:28 PM »


Ok, I have to admit that's funny, but in fact Romney and the rest of your party do seem to act as if they believe something in that ballpark.

I'm disappointed in our efforts. We need to be reaching out to them through our values and free market ideas. We could be very competitive amongst Latinos.
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« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2013, 03:11:18 PM »

We need to be reaching out to them through our values and free market ideas. We could be very competitive amongst Latinos.

No, something like 70%+ of these fellows dislike 'free market idears'...


How's it hype?  Its just some facts that do suggest:

1) an immediate problem in FL
2) a problem coming quite soon in AZ
3) a really terrible problem someday in TX

For your bad party.
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« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2013, 03:14:56 PM »

We need to be reaching out to them through our values and free market ideas. We could be very competitive amongst Latinos.

No, something like 70%+ of these fellows dislike 'free market idears'...


How's it hype?  Its just some facts that do suggest:

1) an immediate problem in FL
2) a problem coming quite soon in AZ
3) a really terrible problem someday in TX

For your bad party.

So every election depends on the Latino vote now? So everything is going great and glamorous for Democrats while Republicans are going to hell in a hand basket? Nothing can happen to ever turn things around? I think we all know better. Texas and Arizona aren't going anywhere. Florida will continue to vote for winners as it has since the Korean War.
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« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2013, 03:17:47 PM »

We need to be reaching out to them through our values and free market ideas. We could be very competitive amongst Latinos.

No, something like 70%+ of these fellows dislike 'free market idears'...


How's it hype?  Its just some facts that do suggest:

1) an immediate problem in FL
2) a problem coming quite soon in AZ
3) a really terrible problem someday in TX

For your bad party.

Its more growth statistics that hypes up the democrats because they are now convinced they can get 70% of the Latino vote.

And 70% of them dislike free market ideals... That's ridiculous and almost certainly not true.
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« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2013, 03:20:50 PM »

I thought it was between 4-5%. Something needs to be done about this in our party. Latinos are Republicans but don't know it. If we focus on the free market over the communist and socialist countries they came from combined with social conservative values. I'm sure they'd support school choice.

The idea that Latinos are natural Republicans, but don't know it is wrong and a tad bit racist.   Latinos support abortion, gay marraige and Obamacare at a rate higher than the national average.

Not to mention immigration reform and liberal fiscal policies/social programs. The only argument one could potentially make about Latinos being Republicans who don't know it is that, as a result of their faith and religious convictions, they oppose gay marriage and abortion, that they are cultural conservatives, but we now know even that isn't true.

But polling shows that Latinos support both abortion and gay marrige at a higher level then the general national numbers.
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« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2013, 03:22:15 PM »

Maybe Hispanics are natural Democrats then? If that's the case they support one party communism since the GOP can't seem to get them on board.
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« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2013, 03:23:35 PM »

I thought it was between 4-5%. Something needs to be done about this in our party. Latinos are Republicans but don't know it. If we focus on the free market over the communist and socialist countries they came from combined with social conservative values. I'm sure they'd support school choice.

The idea that Latinos are natural Republicans, but don't know it is wrong and a tad bit racist.   Latinos support abortion, gay marraige and Obamacare at a rate higher than the national average.

Not to mention immigration reform and liberal fiscal policies/social programs. The only argument one could potentially make about Latinos being Republicans who don't know it is that, as a result of their faith and religious convictions, they oppose gay marriage and abortion, that they are cultural conservatives, but we now know even that isn't true.

But polling shows that Latinos support both abortion and gay marrige at a higher level then the general national numbers.

I don't understand what anyone's fascination is about polls. The only thing we can agree on when it comes to polling is that they can be wrong.
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« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2013, 03:24:08 PM »

So every election depends on the Latino vote now? So everything is going great and glamorous for Democrats while Republicans are going to hell in a hand basket? Nothing can happen to ever turn things around? I think we all know better. Texas and Arizona aren't going anywhere. Florida will continue to vote for winners as it has since the Korean War.

No buddy, Arizona will swing down the road.. not for a while, but eventually.  FL will start to lean D (not a lot, but enough) quite soon, maybe by 2016, certainly by 2020.

Its more growth statistics that hypes up the democrats because they are now convinced they can get 70% of the Latino vote.

And 70% of them dislike free market ideals... That's ridiculous and almost certainly not true.

It isn't buddy, free market nonsense hasn't been swallowed nearly as much by the Latin culture as our own sad one.  They're literally and in fact mostly quite skeptical of your line of baloney.  Not as much as your former slaves, but, nonetheless, quite skeptical.
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« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2013, 03:29:14 PM »

We need to be reaching out to them through our values and free market ideas. We could be very competitive amongst Latinos.

No, something like 70%+ of these fellows dislike 'free market idears'...


How's it hype?  Its just some facts that do suggest:

1) an immediate problem in FL
2) a problem coming quite soon in AZ
3) a really terrible problem someday in TX

For your bad party.

Its more growth statistics that hypes up the democrats because they are now convinced they can get 70% of the Latino vote.

And 70% of them dislike free market ideals... That's ridiculous and almost certainly not true.

Those 70% won't care about "fee market ideals" if the Republican Party keeps talking about self-deportation, makers and takers, 47% and immigrats as evil drug smugglers with "calves size of cantaloupes." Get an immigration bill passed with a large portion of Republican suppor and then the number might move back down into the 60s.  
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« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2013, 03:30:59 PM »

I thought it was between 4-5%. Something needs to be done about this in our party. Latinos are Republicans but don't know it. If we focus on the free market over the communist and socialist countries they came from combined with social conservative values. I'm sure they'd support school choice.

The idea that Latinos are natural Republicans, but don't know it is wrong and a tad bit racist.   Latinos support abortion, gay marraige and Obamacare at a rate higher than the national average.

Not to mention immigration reform and liberal fiscal policies/social programs. The only argument one could potentially make about Latinos being Republicans who don't know it is that, as a result of their faith and religious convictions, they oppose gay marriage and abortion, that they are cultural conservatives, but we now know even that isn't true.

But polling shows that Latinos support both abortion and gay marrige at a higher level then the general national numbers.

I don't understand what anyone's fascination is about polls. The only thing we can agree on when it comes to polling is that they can be wrong.

Not when its consistant and from different polling firms.
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« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2013, 03:32:02 PM »

So every election depends on the Latino vote now? So everything is going great and glamorous for Democrats while Republicans are going to hell in a hand basket? Nothing can happen to ever turn things around? I think we all know better. Texas and Arizona aren't going anywhere. Florida will continue to vote for winners as it has since the Korean War.

No buddy, Arizona will swing down the road.. not for a while, but eventually.  FL will start to lean D (not a lot, but enough) quite soon, maybe by 2016, certainly by 2020.

Its more growth statistics that hypes up the democrats because they are now convinced they can get 70% of the Latino vote.

And 70% of them dislike free market ideals... That's ridiculous and almost certainly not true.

It isn't buddy, free market nonsense hasn't been swallowed nearly as much by the Latin culture as our own sad one.  They're literally and in fact mostly quite skeptical of your line of baloney.  Not as much as your former slaves, but, nonetheless, quite skeptical.

It's a tad bit racist to speak for Latinos simply because you're a Democrat. Do you think your party owns an entire race of people to the point you can speak for them? You've been saying Arizona will start to lean Democrat for 20 years and it's stayed pretty much the same. Florida is about the same as it was 60 years ago. There's no change going on and until we see it we shouldn't speak of it other than a "what if" scenario. We can do any "what ifs" we want though.

Arizona

1992 +8
1996 +5
2000 +7
2004 +8
2008 +15*
2012 +12

If I'm not correct there's been a rightward trend? It's gone further to the right in three of the last four elections and would be each of the last four if not for McCain running in 2008. We'd probably be looking at a +10 instead of +15 for Republicans that year.
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« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2013, 03:33:33 PM »

I thought it was between 4-5%. Something needs to be done about this in our party. Latinos are Republicans but don't know it. If we focus on the free market over the communist and socialist countries they came from combined with social conservative values. I'm sure they'd support school choice.

The idea that Latinos are natural Republicans, but don't know it is wrong and a tad bit racist.   Latinos support abortion, gay marraige and Obamacare at a rate higher than the national average.

Not to mention immigration reform and liberal fiscal policies/social programs. The only argument one could potentially make about Latinos being Republicans who don't know it is that, as a result of their faith and religious convictions, they oppose gay marriage and abortion, that they are cultural conservatives, but we now know even that isn't true.

But polling shows that Latinos support both abortion and gay marrige at a higher level then the general national numbers.

I don't understand what anyone's fascination is about polls. The only thing we can agree on when it comes to polling is that they can be wrong.

Not when its consistant and from different polling firms.

Ok well one thing we can all agree on is that real votes are more relevant than polling.

1992 +8
1996 +5
2000 +7
2004 +8
2008 +15*
2012 +12

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« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2013, 03:39:06 PM »

We need to be reaching out to them through our values and free market ideas. We could be very competitive amongst Latinos.

No, something like 70%+ of these fellows dislike 'free market idears'...


How's it hype?  Its just some facts that do suggest:

1) an immediate problem in FL
2) a problem coming quite soon in AZ
3) a really terrible problem someday in TX

For your bad party.

Its more growth statistics that hypes up the democrats because they are now convinced they can get 70% of the Latino vote.

And 70% of them dislike free market ideals... That's ridiculous and almost certainly not true.

Those 70% won't care about "fee market ideals" if the Republican Party keeps talking about self-deportation, makers and takers, 47% and immigrats as evil drug smugglers with "calves size of cantaloupes." Get an immigration bill passed with a large portion of Republican suppor and then the number might move back down into the 60s.  

I agree, the collapse of the GOP among minorities is in part due by social issues that keeps them a whiter and whiter party.

I just hope they understand that they have to follow laws instead of coming here illegally. And they shouldn't flip when we have to do basic security on the border. If they want to come here, they should come here legally.

If I went into Germany illegally they surely would arrest me, but not Mexicans in the US, because we can't hurt anybody or make anybody feel bad, unless their white of course.
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