The Atlas Asylum of absurd/ignorant posts IX

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Good. He shouldnt

I think it's time for a thread rename

Alas, he is far from the only blue/yellow avatar that justifies murder in the name of law and order.

So guys, what would you do if there were a few dozen people with tiki torches and molotov cocktails out in front of your house, getting ready to burn it to the ground? Seriously, I'm curious to know how you'd go about handling that situation, given that you're so quick to criticize others for their methods of dealing with it.

This is a topic for another thread, but call 911 and wait for the police and/or firefighters to come.

Though I will also note that defending your home (where you would be defending your life and that of your loved ones) is not quite the same as defending your business (where you would "merely" be defending property)

I hold slightly more sympathy for people defending their home, though as always specifics matter.

So, stay inside a burning home or business until the cops may or may not show up?

No, obviously if your house is on fire you should escape or put out the fire. But at that point shooting people will not solve anything anyways.

And cops should show up. If not, add "police should be faster when attending emergencies" to the list of issues with the police

What if these people are armed and will shoot or hurt you if escape the burning building? Then what?

Well, then you die I guess, unless cops come to save you. But if a mob of tens of people comes armed at your home I doubt you could survive regardless of whether or not you shoot at them first.

Real life is not Call of Duty, and you are not going to get a "10 kill killstreak" if suddenly tens of people armed with guns come knocking on your door with the intent of killing you, your family and burning all you have.

You are insane.

You beat me to writing precisely that. Even if I die protecting my family, at least I'm sending a half dozen or so to their doom. People who don't respect property forfeit their right to life.

He's right that if ten thugs, armed or not, tried to smoke me out of my own home, then I probably would be killed. But regardless what happens to me, people are going to get shot. And rightfully so.

Seriously, his suggestion that someone should "just burn to death in your own home" is without a doubt the most stupid thing I have ever read in ten years on this forum.

[Landslide Lyndon]

This is what happens when you grow up on a steady diet of Charles Bronson and Chuck Norris movies.

BTW, taking under consideration American history, it wasn't the whites who where usually the victims of mob violence.

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

You beat me to writing precisely that. Even if I die protecting my family, at least I'm sending a half dozen or so to their doom. People who don't respect property forfeit their right to life.

No. No. No. No. No.
This is absolutely, totally wrong and I will not apologize for saying this.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

You beat me to writing precisely that. Even if I die protecting my family, at least I'm sending a half dozen or so to their doom. People who don't respect property forfeit their right to life.

No. No. No. No. No.
This is absolutely, totally wrong and I will not apologize for saying this.

I'm sorry, but your life ends the moment you set fire to my house and threaten the life of my family. This is called self-defense. It's not exactly a new concept.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

This is what happens when you grow up on a steady diet of Charles Bronson and Chuck Norris movies.

BTW, taking under consideration American history, it wasn't the whites who where usually the victims of mob violence.

So white people should be killed then?

[OSR stands with Israel]

You beat me to writing precisely that. Even if I die protecting my family, at least I'm sending a half dozen or so to their doom. People who don't respect property forfeit their right to life.

No. No. No. No. No.
This is absolutely, totally wrong and I will not apologize for saying this.

I'm sorry, but your life ends the moment you set fire to my house and threaten the life of my family. This is called self-defense. It's not exactly a new concept.

The castle doctrine doesn’t exist in Europe which is why there is such a difference on what is considered self defense between Americans and Europeans

[WD]

You beat me to writing precisely that. Even if I die protecting my family, at least I'm sending a half dozen or so to their doom. People who don't respect property forfeit their right to life.

No. No. No. No. No.
This is absolutely, totally wrong and I will not apologize for saying this.

I'm sorry, but your life ends the moment you set fire to my house and threaten the life of my family. This is called self-defense. It's not exactly a new concept.

That’s completely fair, but he said if you don’t respect property you forfeit your right to life. Respect property can refer to a wide spectrum of things. Spraying graffiti on someones car isn’t respectful of property, should someone who does that be killed?

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

You beat me to writing precisely that. Even if I die protecting my family, at least I'm sending a half dozen or so to their doom. People who don't respect property forfeit their right to life.

No. No. No. No. No.
This is absolutely, totally wrong and I will not apologize for saying this.

I'm sorry, but your life ends the moment you set fire to my house and threaten the life of my family. This is called self-defense. It's not exactly a new concept.

The castle doctrine doesn’t exist in Europe

And look what happened circa 1932-1945.....

You beat me to writing precisely that. Even if I die protecting my family, at least I'm sending a half dozen or so to their doom. People who don't respect property forfeit their right to life.

No. No. No. No. No.
This is absolutely, totally wrong and I will not apologize for saying this.

I'm sorry, but your life ends the moment you set fire to my house and threaten the life of my family. This is called self-defense. It's not exactly a new concept.

That’s completely fair, but he said if you don’t respect property you forfeit your right to life. Respect property can refer to a wide spectrum of things. Spraying graffiti on someones car isn’t respectful of property, should someone who does that be killed?

I'm not talking about shooting a black kid for stealing a bike. I'm talking about a mob of white purple haired freaks showing up and setting fire to an occupied home. That literally happened, and when the fire trucks showed up, they blocked them from getting near the house. A police officer and his family were nearly killed.

[lfromnj]

For example a single shop lifter is not a threat to your life and you can take them down using non lethal methods. Trying to stop a mob of people from attacking your property without eventually being forced to use lethal methods/lethal threats is impossible. Even if you start with non lethal methods such as by using a mace/waterhose/fire extinguisher they will just attack you instead after which you can apply lethal methods.An angry mob has such a large disparity of force to 1 person that lethal force is the only equalizer. That old man defending his employer's store would have been justified to use lethal force. I would say one dead looter is a terrible ending but still a better scenario than that old innocent man ending up with a broken jaw.

[WD]

You beat me to writing precisely that. Even if I die protecting my family, at least I'm sending a half dozen or so to their doom. People who don't respect property forfeit their right to life.

No. No. No. No. No.
This is absolutely, totally wrong and I will not apologize for saying this.

I'm sorry, but your life ends the moment you set fire to my house and threaten the life of my family. This is called self-defense. It's not exactly a new concept.

The castle doctrine doesn’t exist in Europe

And look what happened circa 1932-1945.....

You beat me to writing precisely that. Even if I die protecting my family, at least I'm sending a half dozen or so to their doom. People who don't respect property forfeit their right to life.

No. No. No. No. No.
This is absolutely, totally wrong and I will not apologize for saying this.

I'm sorry, but your life ends the moment you set fire to my house and threaten the life of my family. This is called self-defense. It's not exactly a new concept.

That’s completely fair, but he said if you don’t respect property you forfeit your right to life. Respect property can refer to a wide spectrum of things. Spraying graffiti on someones car isn’t respectful of property, should someone who does that be killed?

I'm not talking about shooting a black kid for stealing a bike. I'm talking about a mob of white purple haired freaks showing up and setting fire to an occupied home. That literally happened, and when the fire trucks showed up, they blocked them from getting near the house. A police officer and his family were nearly killed.

Yeah, if someone is literally setting fire to your house, I’m pretty sure you have a right to fight back and kill them. I hope no one is actually opposed to that, but saying “you forfeit your life if you disrespect property” is a pretty broad statement, and I feel that you should react with appropriate force depending on the situation. Someone smashing your windows in and stealing your stuff should be treated with more force than someone someone egging your car.

[Alcibiades]

You beat me to writing precisely that. Even if I die protecting my family, at least I'm sending a half dozen or so to their doom. People who don't respect property forfeit their right to life.

No. No. No. No. No.
This is absolutely, totally wrong and I will not apologize for saying this.

I'm sorry, but your life ends the moment you set fire to my house and threaten the life of my family. This is called self-defense. It's not exactly a new concept.

The castle doctrine doesn’t exist in Europe

And look what happened circa 1932-1945.....

This is an ahistorical American right-wing refrain which really annoys me. Part of the reason the Nazis were able to come to power is because they had their own private army, and the lack of a state monopoly on force was a problem which plagued Weimar Germany. The causes of the rise of National Socialism were varied and complex, but a lack of gun rights was not among them. Regardless, I think it’s fair to say Europeans generally live far less in fear of being victims of individual or mob violence than Americans.

[OSR stands with Israel]

You beat me to writing precisely that. Even if I die protecting my family, at least I'm sending a half dozen or so to their doom. People who don't respect property forfeit their right to life.

No. No. No. No. No.
This is absolutely, totally wrong and I will not apologize for saying this.

I'm sorry, but your life ends the moment you set fire to my house and threaten the life of my family. This is called self-defense. It's not exactly a new concept.

The castle doctrine doesn’t exist in Europe

And look what happened circa 1932-1945.....

I’m not saying your wrong , and I support the doctrine but you have to understand why their perspective is different and on the same matter they should do the same when it comes to Americans view on this issue

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

You beat me to writing precisely that. Even if I die protecting my family, at least I'm sending a half dozen or so to their doom. People who don't respect property forfeit their right to life.

No. No. No. No. No.
This is absolutely, totally wrong and I will not apologize for saying this.

I'm sorry, but your life ends the moment you set fire to my house and threaten the life of my family. This is called self-defense. It's not exactly a new concept.

The castle doctrine doesn’t exist in Europe

And look what happened circa 1932-1945.....

You beat me to writing precisely that. Even if I die protecting my family, at least I'm sending a half dozen or so to their doom. People who don't respect property forfeit their right to life.

No. No. No. No. No.
This is absolutely, totally wrong and I will not apologize for saying this.

I'm sorry, but your life ends the moment you set fire to my house and threaten the life of my family. This is called self-defense. It's not exactly a new concept.

That’s completely fair, but he said if you don’t respect property you forfeit your right to life. Respect property can refer to a wide spectrum of things. Spraying graffiti on someones car isn’t respectful of property, should someone who does that be killed?

I'm not talking about shooting a black kid for stealing a bike. I'm talking about a mob of white purple haired freaks showing up and setting fire to an occupied home. That literally happened, and when the fire trucks showed up, they blocked them from getting near the house. A police officer and his family were nearly killed.

Yeah, if someone is literally setting fire to your house, I’m pretty sure you have a right to fight back and kill them. I hope no one is actually opposed to that, but saying “you forfeit your life if you disrespect property” is a pretty broad statement, and I feel that you should react with appropriate force depending on the situation. Someone smashing your windows in and stealing your stuff should be treated with more force than someone someone egging your car.

This is a perfectly reasonable post. Agreed.

You beat me to writing precisely that. Even if I die protecting my family, at least I'm sending a half dozen or so to their doom. People who don't respect property forfeit their right to life.

No. No. No. No. No.
This is absolutely, totally wrong and I will not apologize for saying this.

I'm sorry, but your life ends the moment you set fire to my house and threaten the life of my family. This is called self-defense. It's not exactly a new concept.

The castle doctrine doesn’t exist in Europe

And look what happened circa 1932-1945.....

This is an ahistorical American right-wing refrain which really annoys me. Part of the reason the Nazis were able to come to power is because they had their own private army, and the lack of a state monopoly on force was a problem which plagued Weimar Germany. The causes of the rise of National Socialism were varied and complex, but a lack of gun rights was not among them. Regardless, I think it’s fair to say Europeans generally live far less in fear of being victims of individual or mob violence than Americans.

You kinda proved my point. Antifa IS a private army. They’re real life American brownshirts.

[It’s so Joever]

Were the protestors social distancing as they smashed windows?
That makes a big difference.

[It’s so Joever]

Good. He shouldnt

I think it's time for a thread rename

Alas, he is far from the only blue/yellow avatar that justifies murder in the name of law and order.

So guys, what would you do if there were a few dozen people with tiki torches and molotov cocktails out in front of your house, getting ready to burn it to the ground? Seriously, I'm curious to know how you'd go about handling that situation, given that you're so quick to criticize others for their methods of dealing with it.

This is a topic for another thread, but call 911 and wait for the police and/or firefighters to come.

Though I will also note that defending your home (where you would be defending your life and that of your loved ones) is not quite the same as defending your business (where you would "merely" be defending property)

I hold slightly more sympathy for people defending their home, though as always specifics matter.

So, stay inside a burning home or business until the cops may or may not show up?

No, obviously if your house is on fire you should escape or put out the fire. But at that point shooting people will not solve anything anyways.

And cops should show up. If not, add "police should be faster when attending emergencies" to the list of issues with the police

What if these people are armed and will shoot or hurt you if escape the burning building? Then what?

Well, then you die I guess, unless cops come to save you. But if a mob of tens of people comes armed at your home I doubt you could survive regardless of whether or not you shoot at them first.

Real life is not Call of Duty, and you are not going to get a "10 kill killstreak" if suddenly tens of people armed with guns come knocking on your door with the intent of killing you, your family and burning all you have.

You are insane.

You beat me to writing precisely that. Even if I die protecting my family, at least I'm sending a half dozen or so to their doom. People who don't respect property forfeit their right to life.

Correction: People who don’t respect the lives of other people, especially children (yes this creates a paradox, shut up)

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Michael Moore wrongly predicted the victories of Al Gore, John McCain, and Mitt Romney, but since he happened to get it right on the fourth try, he’s now some election guru.

What about 2004? In fairness, Gore actually did sort of win in 2000...

And Kerry probably did win in 2004, but that's a separate discussion

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Good. He shouldnt

I think it's time for a thread rename

Alas, he is far from the only blue/yellow avatar that justifies murder in the name of law and order.

So guys, what would you do if there were a few dozen people with tiki torches and molotov cocktails out in front of your house, getting ready to burn it to the ground? Seriously, I'm curious to know how you'd go about handling that situation, given that you're so quick to criticize others for their methods of dealing with it.

This is a topic for another thread, but call 911 and wait for the police and/or firefighters to come.

Though I will also note that defending your home (where you would be defending your life and that of your loved ones) is not quite the same as defending your business (where you would "merely" be defending property)

I hold slightly more sympathy for people defending their home, though as always specifics matter.

So, stay inside a burning home or business until the cops may or may not show up?

No, obviously if your house is on fire you should escape or put out the fire. But at that point shooting people will not solve anything anyways.

And cops should show up. If not, add "police should be faster when attending emergencies" to the list of issues with the police

What if these people are armed and will shoot or hurt you if escape the burning building? Then what?

Well, then you die I guess, unless cops come to save you. But if a mob of tens of people comes armed at your home I doubt you could survive regardless of whether or not you shoot at them first.

Real life is not Call of Duty, and you are not going to get a "10 kill killstreak" if suddenly tens of people armed with guns come knocking on your door with the intent of killing you, your family and burning all you have.

You are insane.

You beat me to writing precisely that. Even if I die protecting my family, at least I'm sending a half dozen or so to their doom. People who don't respect property forfeit their right to life.

Correction: People who don’t respect the lives of other people, especially children (yes this creates a paradox, shut up)

Surrounding a police officers house and setting it on fire with his children inside is a good example of people disrespecting the lives of other people.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Because Biden has alienated white voters somehow, and Trump's fear mongering is working. Same exact strategy Bush used in 02/03 to gain public support for invading Iraq and in 04 for his re-election. Doesn't matter than none of it was based in facts, politics is about emotions. Trump has evoked white anxiety in a huge segment of our population.

Biden is finished, he's very likely gonna lose worse than McGovern. I think he might struggle to crack 10% of the white vote.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Because Biden has alienated white voters somehow, and Trump's fear mongering is working. Same exact strategy Bush used in 02/03 to gain public support for invading Iraq and in 04 for his re-election. Doesn't matter than none of it was based in facts, politics is about emotions. Trump has evoked white anxiety in a huge segment of our population.

Biden is finished, he's very likely gonna lose worse than McGovern. I think he might struggle to crack 10% of the white vote.

I agreed with all of this until the whole McGovern line.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I don’t mean what do you like about his policies.


What do you like about his character?

Funny how Republicans whine about this being an echo chamber but never answer or respond when given the chance to speak up.

note the time stamps

[OSR stands with Israel]

This is why the standard for a cop accused of murder should be guilty until proven innocent and not the other way around.

It should be guilty period.

Skip the trial, lock them up and throw away the key.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

No because it's obviously a false story by someone who's very bitter and badly wants Trump gone. This is the same crap they did with Warren and CNN coordinated smear against Sanders. Anonymous sources, no credibility - journalism is a joke in 2020.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

No because it's obviously a false story by someone who's very bitter and badly wants Trump gone. This is the same crap they did with Warren and CNN coordinated smear against Sanders. Anonymous sources, no credibility - journalism is a joke in 2020.

Do you believe everything you read?

[SevenEleven]

At long last, the highly-coveted thread that officially marked the beginning of Atlas Fantasy Elections!

Fun fact: The R-SD guy in that thread is currently the Attorney General of South Dakota!

At first I didn't believe you so I looked it up and yeah, that's definitely him. No idea who else "jravnsbo" could be. Shame he isn't here now, I always like actual politicians on Atlas.

So, are there any posts of his that we could leak to take him down in a future South Dakota election?

[NewYorkExpress]

At long last, the highly-coveted thread that officially marked the beginning of Atlas Fantasy Elections!

Fun fact: The R-SD guy in that thread is currently the Attorney General of South Dakota!

At first I didn't believe you so I looked it up and yeah, that's definitely him. No idea who else "jravnsbo" could be. Shame he isn't here now, I always like actual politicians on Atlas.

So, are there any posts of his that we could leak to take him down in a future South Dakota election?

That's a perfectly defensible post, given 90% of the posters here at any one point should not be running for elected office.