Democratic National Convention days 3 and 4 **live commentary thread**

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Really all I see is Frank and Claire Underwood when I see the Clintons now.

The Underwoods are [at least according to the nonsensical rules that govern HoC's universe] highly skilled politicians. The Clintons are not.

I could see the argument for Hillary not being a skilled politician, but Bill is undeniably incredibly politically gifted.

He was pretty good in his prime, but he's mostly lost touch lately. Hillary was always mediocre and she's proving it every day.

You're so bitter lol

Yes, I'm bitter. You know why I'm bitter? Because a narcisistic pathological liar backed by a hostile, regressive, imperialistic autocracy is currently leading in the polls to become the leader of the country I live in. This should not happen, and it would not be happening if the Democrats had actually ran a good candidate.

Well, Cuomo did not run, so Hillary Clinton was the best candidate in the Democratic primary.

[ag]

Really all I see is Frank and Claire Underwood when I see the Clintons now.

The Underwoods are [at least according to the nonsensical rules that govern HoC's universe] highly skilled politicians. The Clintons are not.

I could see the argument for Hillary not being a skilled politician, but Bill is undeniably incredibly politically gifted.

He was pretty good in his prime, but he's mostly lost touch lately. Hillary was always mediocre and she's proving it every day.

You're so bitter lol

Yes, I'm bitter. You know why I'm bitter? Because a narcisistic pathological liar backed by a hostile, regressive, imperialistic autocracy is currently leading in the polls to become the leader of the country I live in. This should not happen, and it would not be happening if the Democrats had actually ran a good candidate.

Well, Cuomo did not run, so Hillary Clinton was the best candidate in the Democratic primary.

I have no idea what alternate universe you live in.

The real one. Unlike the dream world in which Bernie Sanders can be elected president.

Hillary Clinton was one of the most popular politicians in the US merely 3 years ago. She has been brought down by this campaign. The only reason Sanders has polled well is that nobody serious took his candidacy seriously. Nobody really imagined a Sanders presidency, so nobody really went after him. Had it been otherwise, grandmothers in Peoria would have been scaring children with bad evil Berine. Half the Americans would have vaguely identified Berine Sanders with Bernie Madoff. Trump would have been far ahead in the polls by now if Sanders were the actual nominee.

[ag]

Really all I see is Frank and Claire Underwood when I see the Clintons now.

The Underwoods are [at least according to the nonsensical rules that govern HoC's universe] highly skilled politicians. The Clintons are not.

I could see the argument for Hillary not being a skilled politician, but Bill is undeniably incredibly politically gifted.

He was pretty good in his prime, but he's mostly lost touch lately. Hillary was always mediocre and she's proving it every day.

You're so bitter lol

Yes, I'm bitter. You know why I'm bitter? Because a narcisistic pathological liar backed by a hostile, regressive, imperialistic autocracy is currently leading in the polls to become the leader of the country I live in. This should not happen, and it would not be happening if the Democrats had actually ran a good candidate.

Well, Cuomo did not run, so Hillary Clinton was the best candidate in the Democratic primary.

I have no idea what alternate universe you live in.

The real one. Unlike the dream world in which Bernie Sanders can be elected president.

Hillary Clinton was one of the most popular politicians in the US merely 3 years ago. She has been brought down by this campaign. The only reason Sanders has polled well is that nobody serious took his candidacy seriously. Nobody really imagined a Sanders presidency, so nobody really went after him. Had it been otherwise, grandmothers in Peoria would have been scaring children with bad evil Berine. Half the Americans would have vaguely identified Berine Sanders with Bernie Madoff. Trump would have been far ahead in the polls by now if Sanders were the actual nominee.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html

The last polls featuring a Sanders vs. Trump showed the former leading with a +10.4 RCP average. If he was the nominee, he'd probably win the election in a landslide with 350+ electoral votes.

He was, without a doubt, the most electable and likeable candidate the Democrats had to offer this year.

He could only be this popular conditional on never having a serious chance of being the nominee. He would have been demolished in the general.

[ag]

I'm going to get sh**t on very hard for this, but there aren't enough white people speaking here. The ethnic makeup of the lineup is a subtle indicator of brand. This says "gun control is a black issue." What they should have had, is rural white NRA men with scruff beards who go up there and say "I'm a fourth-generation AK-47 owner, but I still support background checks." I blame DWS for putting together this not-as-good-as-it-could-be convention.

You're 100% right...Democrats still need around 39% of the white electorate in this country to win so keeping is a must.

I'm confident that at least 39% of white voters aren't racist.

So everyone who supports Trump is a racist? Because Democrats would totally not support a Democratic version of Trump if it were running against, say, George W. Bush, right?

Everyone who supports Trump is a horrible person, no exceptions. There may be different reasons to support Trump: racism, sexism, fascism, hatred of America, a wish that Trump rapes one's mother, etc. But there are not good reasons to support Trump.

If Trump were running on the Democratic Party line against George W. Bush I would, of course, support Bush.

[ag]

Muslims are rampaging, raping and murdering across the globe. Trump isn't playing to our fears, Trump is illuminating reality

good god it took an internet backlash just to get these guys to put flags on the stage

The only guy around "rampaging" is you. Hey, hey, how many kids have you killed today?

[ag]

Muslims are rampaging, raping and murdering across the globe.

I don't understand why useless sh**ts like this guy don't get banned.

You don't want to face the truth that not all Muslims are good.

More pertinently, a lot of people on this board are bad.

[ag]

If elected, Kaine may be president by 2019. If the GOP controls both houses again, they would do anything to impeach Hillary Clinton.

Impeaching is not enough. You have to remove. 2/3 in the Senate.

What would Clinton have to do for this to get that far?

[ag]

If elected, Kaine may be president by 2019. If the GOP controls both houses again, they would do anything to impeach Hillary Clinton.

Impeaching is not enough. You have to remove. 2/3 in the Senate.

What would Clinton have to do for this to get that far?

The things we heard all season so far..it would be recycled again.

And? How would that get her removed?

[ag]

Kaine is such a used car salesman. No wonder Hil/Kaine are losing.

Again, enough about Trump.

He must be a troll. Nobody could be this unaware.

Nah, he is just doing this for religious reasons. You know, talking tongues to try to get himself ecstatic. Hopes to produce a divine revelation out of post-lunch indigestion.

[ag]

Kaine gave a pretty well speech.

Which well? Where is the well? On stage?

[ag]

Bottom line, is that Kaine (nor will Obama) hit on the kitchen table issues that middle Americans care about.

* How will we secure our borders?

* How will we keep Islam out and keep whatever is in our country from proliferating?

* How will we destroy ISIS around the world?

* How can we restore law and order and keep the BLM terrorists from rampaging and murdering cops?

4 huge issues. 4 issues that the Dems have absolutely no passion for. 4 issues where they regularly side with the enemy.

I did not know middle Americans (whatever that is) cared so much about things that happen in distant parts of the world. Quite a discovery, really.

Have you ever met a "middle American"?

[ag]

Bottom line, is that Kaine (nor will Obama) hit on the kitchen table issues that middle Americans care about.

* How will we secure our borders?

* How will we keep Islam out and keep whatever is in our country from proliferating?

* How will we destroy ISIS around the world?

* How can we restore law and order and keep the BLM terrorists from rampaging and murdering cops?

4 huge issues. 4 issues that the Dems have absolutely no passion for. 4 issues where they regularly side with the enemy.

Not every American is just like you, Dirks.

No they are not. But the majority are (I mean...they don't want to get blown up or have their head cut off or be run over by an enormous truck do they?)

They have about the same chance of that happening to them as they have of being killed by their three-year-old playing with a home gun. But you seem to be strangely unexcited about that.

[ag]

Bottom line, is that Kaine (nor will Obama) hit on the kitchen table issues that middle Americans care about.

* How will we secure our borders?

* How will we keep Islam out and keep whatever is in our country from proliferating?

* How will we destroy ISIS around the world?

* How can we restore law and order and keep the BLM terrorists from rampaging and murdering cops?

4 huge issues. 4 issues that the Dems have absolutely no passion for. 4 issues where they regularly side with the enemy.

I did not know middle Americans (whatever that is) cared so much about things that happen in distant parts of the world. Quite a discovery, really.

Have you ever met a "middle American"?

I meant breadbasket, middle class/working class. You get my drift

They don't want the terror over their imported over here

That provides a novel definition for the word "breadbasket". I guess, that is what you carry in yours - a bomb. I usually have bread in mine.

[ag]

Bottom line, is that Kaine (nor will Obama) hit on the kitchen table issues that middle Americans care about.

* How will we secure our borders?

* How will we keep Islam out and keep whatever is in our country from proliferating?

* How will we destroy ISIS around the world?

* How can we restore law and order and keep the BLM terrorists from rampaging and murdering cops?

4 huge issues. 4 issues that the Dems have absolutely no passion for. 4 issues where they regularly side with the enemy.

Not every American is just like you, Dirks.

No they are not. But the majority are (I mean...they don't want to get blown up or have their head cut off or be run over by an enormous truck do they?)

No, but to think that's all they care about is idiotic. And none of the things you have mentioned have occurred in the US.

You deny that cops have been murdered and that we've had islamic terrorist attacks?

Oh we do. And cops also have murdered, and we have had Christian terrorist attacks. And?

[ag]

Bottom line, is that Kaine (nor will Obama) hit on the kitchen table issues that middle Americans care about.

* How will we secure our borders?

* How will we keep Islam out and keep whatever is in our country from proliferating?

* How will we destroy ISIS around the world?

* How can we restore law and order and keep the BLM terrorists from rampaging and murdering cops?

4 huge issues. 4 issues that the Dems have absolutely no passion for. 4 issues where they regularly side with the enemy.

Not every American is just like you, Dirks.

No they are not. But the majority are (I mean...they don't want to get blown up or have their head cut off or be run over by an enormous truck do they?)

No, but to think that's all they care about is idiotic. And none of the things you have mentioned have occurred in the US.

You deny that cops have been murdered and that we've had islamic terrorist attacks?

Oh we do. And cops also have murdered, and we have had Christian terrorist attacks. And?

The % of cops murdering in cold blood and christian terrorist attacks is so tiny, so microscopically tiny compared to black murderers and muslim terrorists.

If you consider today, both are infinitecimal and indistinguishable. If you take a slightly longer view, Christians have always been far bloodthirstier and far more murderous.

[ag]

The % of cops murdering in cold blood and christian terrorist attacks is so tiny, so microscopically tiny compared to black murderers and muslim terrorists.

What utter malarky.

lol, I don't think you want to go to the stats on this one!

I doubt you want that either. Unless, of course, you are to be allowed to invent the stats.

[ag]

lol, Obama fans the flames of the greatest racial division since the 1960's...and he blames it on the RNC

Yes, blaming racial divisions on the racist party actually makes a lot of sense.

There is no racist party. There is realism and there is fantasy. The Dems are the one's living in a fantasy

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahha

I mean, the Grand White Party is the Grand White Party. You cannot take that word out of its name.

[ag]

lol, Obama fans the flames of the greatest racial division since the 1960's...and he blames it on the RNC

Yes, blaming racial divisions on the racist party actually makes a lot of sense.

There is no racist party. There is realism and there is fantasy. The Dems are the one's living in a fantasy

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahha

I mean, the Grand White Party is the Grand White Party. You cannot take that word out of its name.

I'm not ashamed of being white. There's nothing wrong with it.

Nothing wrong. Nothing wrong whatsoever

[ag]

The % of cops murdering in cold blood and christian terrorist attacks is so tiny, so microscopically tiny compared to black murderers and muslim terrorists.

What utter malarky.

lol, I don't think you want to go to the stats on this one!

I doubt you want that either. Unless, of course, you are to be allowed to invent the stats.

Date   Country   City   Killed   Injured   Description
1972.04.14   USA   New York, NY   1   3   Ten members of a local mosque phone in a false alarm and then ambush responding officers, killing one.
1973.01.19   USA   Brooklyn, NY   1   1   Muslim extremists rob a sporting goods store for weapons, gunning down a police officer who responds to the alarm.
1973.07.01   USA   Bethesda, MD   1   0   An Israeli diplomat is gunned down in his driveway by Palestinian terrorists.
1973.07.18   USA   Washington, DC   8   2   Nation of Islam members shoot seven members of a family to death in cold blood, including four children. A defendant in the case is later murdered in prison on orders from Elijah Muhammad.
1973.10.19   USA   Oakland, CA   1   1   Nation of Islam terrorists kidnap a couple and nearly decapitate the man, while raping and leaving the woman for dead.
1973.10.29   USA   Berkeley, CA   1   0   A woman is shot repeatedly in the face by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1973.11.25   USA   Oakland, CA   1   0   A grocer is killed in his store by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1973.12.11   USA   Oakland, CA   1   0   A man is killed by Nation of Islam terrorists while using a phone booth.
1973.12.13   USA   Oakland, CA   1   0   A woman is shot to death on the sidewalk by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1973.12.20   USA   Oakland, CA   1   0   Nation of Islam terrorists gun down an 81-year-old janitor.
1973.12.22   USA   Oakland, CA   2   0   Nation of Islam terrorist kills two people in separate attacks on the same day.
1973.12.24   USA   Oakland, CA   1   0   A man is kidnapped, tortured and decapitated by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1974.01.24   USA   Oakland, CA   4   1   Five vicious shooting attacks by Nation of Islam terrorists leave three people dead and one paralyzed for life. Three of the victims were women.
1974.04.01   USA   Oakland, CA   1   1   A Nation of Islam terrorist shoots at two Salvation Army members, killing a man and injuring a woman.
1974.04.16   USA   Ingleside, CA   1   0   A man is killed while helping a friend move by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1977.03.09   USA   Washington, DC   1   1   Hanifi Muslims storm three buildings including a B'nai B'rith to hold 134 people hostage. At least two innocents were shot and one died.
1980.07.22   USA   Bethesda, MD   1   0   A political dissident is shot and killed in front of his home by an Iranian agent who was an American convert to Islam.
1980.08.31   USA   Savou, IL   2   0   An Iranian student guns down his next-door neighbors, a husband and wife.
1989.11.06   USA   St. Louis, MO   1   0   A 17-year-old girl is stabbed to death by her parents for bringing 'dishonor' to their family by dating an 'infidel' African-American.
1990.01.31   USA   Tuscon, AZ   1   0   A Sunni cleric is assassinated in front of a Tuscon mosque after declaring that two verses of the Qur'an were invalid.
1990.11.05   USA   New York City, NY   1   0   An Israeli rabbi is shot to death by a Muslim attacker at a hotel.
1993.01.25   USA   Langley, VA   2   3   A Pakistani with Mujahideen ties guns down two CIA agents outside of the headquarters.
1993.02.26   USA   New York, NY   6   1040   Islamic terrorists detonate a massive truck bomb under the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring over 1,000 in an effort to collapse the towers.
1994.03.01   USA   Brooklyn, NY   1   0   A Muslim gunman targets a van packed with Jewish boys, killing a 16-year-old.
1997.03.23   USA   New York, NY   1   6   A Palestinian leaves an anti-Jewish suicide note behind and travels to the top of the Empire State building where he shoot seven people in a Fedayeen attack.
1997.04.03   USA   Lompoc, CA   1   0   A prison guard is stabbed to death by a radical Muslim.
2000.03.17   USA   Atlanta, GA   1   1   A local imam and Muslim spiritual leader guns down a deputy sheriff and injures his partner.
2001.09.11   USA   New York, NY   2752   251   Islamic hijackers steer two planes packed with fuel and passengers into the World Trade Center, killing hundreds on impact and eventually killing thousands when the towers collapsed. At least 200 are seriously injured.
2001.09.11   USA   Washington, DC   184   53   Nearly 200 people are killed when Islamic hijackers steer a plane full of people into the Pentagon.
2001.09.11   USA   Shanksville, PA   40   0   Forty passengers are killed after Islamic radicals hijack the plane in an attempt to steer it into the U.S. Capitol building.
2002.03.19   USA   Tuscon, AZ   1   0   A 60-year-old man is gunned down by Muslim snipers on a golf course.
2002.05.27   USA   Denton, TX   1   0   Muslim snipers kill a man as he works in his yard.
2002.07.04   USA   Los Angeles, CA   2   0   Muslim man pulls out a gun at the counter of an Israeli airline and kills two people.
2002.09.21   USA   Atlanta, GA   1   0   Muslim terrorists gun down an employee at a liquor store.
2002.09.21   USA   Montgomery, AL   1   1   Muslim snipers shoot two women, killing one.
2002.09.23   USA   Baton Rouge, LA   1   0   A Korean mother is shot in the back by Muslim snipers.
2002.10.02   USA   Wheaton, MD   1   0   Muslim snipers gun down a program analyst in a store parking lot.
2002.10.03   USA   Montgomery County, MD   5   0   Muslim snipers kill three men and two women in separate attacks over a 15-hour period.
2002.10.09   USA   Manassas, VA   1   1   A man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas two days after a 13-year-old is wounded by the same team.
2002.10.11   USA   Fredericksburg, VA   1   0   Another man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas.
2002.10.14   USA   Arlington, VA   1   0   A woman is killed by Muslim snipers in a Home Depot parking lot.
2002.10.22   USA   Aspen Hill, MD   1   0   A bus driver is killed by Muslim snipers.
2003.08.06   USA   Houston, TX   1   0   After undergoing a 'religious revival', a Saudi college student slashes the throat of a Jewish student with a 4" butterfly knife, nearly decapitating the young man.
2004.04.15   USA   Scottsville, NY   1   2   In an honor killing, a Muslim father kills his wife and attacks his two daughters with a knife and hammer because he feared that they had been sexually molested.
2006.06.16   USA   Baltimore, MD   1   0   A 62-year-old Jewish moviegoer is shot to death by a Muslim medical student in an unprovoked terror attack.
2006.06.25   USA   Denver, CO   1   5   Saying that it was 'Allah's choice', a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer.
2006.07.28   USA   Seattle, WA   1   5   An 'angry' Muslim-American uses a young girl as hostage to enter a local Jewish center, where he shoots six women, one of whom dies.
2008.01.01   USA   Irving, TX   2   0   A Muslim immigrant shoots his two daughters to death on concerns about their 'Western' lifestyle.
2008.07.06   USA   Jonesboro, GA   1   0   A devout Muslim strangles his 25-year-old daughter in an honor killing.
2009.02.12   USA   Buffalo, NY   1   0   The founder of a Muslim TV station beheads his wife in the hallway for seeking a divorce.
2009.04.12   USA   Phoenix, AZ   2   0   A man shoots his brother-in-law and another man to death after finding out that they visited a strip club, in contradiction to Islamic values.
2009.06.01   USA   Little Rock, AR   1   1   A Muslim shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center explicitly in the name of Allah.
2009.11.02   USA   Glendale, AZ   1   1   A woman dies from injuries suffered when her father runs her down with a car for being too 'Westernized.' (10-20-09)
2009.11.05   USA   Ft. Hood, TX   13   31   A Muslim psychiatrist guns down thirteen unarmed soldiers while yelling praises to Allah.
2009.12.04   USA   Binghamton, NY   1   0   A non-Muslim Islamic studies professor is stabbed to death by a Muslim grad student in revenge for 'persecuted' Muslims.
2010.04.14   USA   Marquette Park, IL   5   2   After quarrelling with his wife over Islamic dress, a Muslim convert shoots his family members to 'take them back to Allah' and out of the 'world of sinners'.
2011.04.30   USA   Warren, MI   1   0   A 20-year-old woman is shot in the head by her stepfather for not adhering to Islamic practices.
2011.09.11   USA   Waltham, MA   3   0   Three Jewish men have their throats slashed by Muslim terrorists.
2012.01.15   USA   Houston, TX   1   0   A 30-year-old Christian convert is shot to death by a devout Muslim for helping to convert his daughter.
2012.11.12   USA   Houston, TX   1   0   A 28-year-old American man is shot to death by a conservative Muslim over an alleged role in converting a woman to Christianity.
2013.02.07   USA   Buena Vista, NJ   2   0   A Muslim targets and beheads two Christian Coptic immigrants.
2013.03.24   USA   Ashtabula, OH   1   0   A Muslim convert walks into a church service with a Quran and guns down his Christian father while praising Allah.
2013.04.15   USA   Boston, MA   3   264   Foreign-born Muslims describing themselves as 'very religious' detonate two bombs packed with ball bearings at the Boston Marathon, killing three people and causing several more to lose limbs.
2013.04.19   USA   Boston, MA   1   1   Jihadists gun down a university police officer sitting in his car.
2013.08.04   USA   Richmond, CA   1   0   A convert "on a mission from Allah" stabs a store clerk to death.
2014.03.06   USA   Port Bolivar, TX   2   0   A Muslim man shoots his lesbian daughter and her lover to death and leaves a copy of the Quran open to a page condemning homosexuality.
2014.04.27   USA   Skyway, WA   1   0   A 30-year-old man is murdered by a Muslim fanatic.
2014.06.01   USA   Seattle, WA   2   0   Two homosexuals are murdered by an Islamic extremist.
2014.06.25   USA   West Orange, NJ   1   0   A 19-year-old college student is shot to death 'in revenge' for Muslim deaths overseas.
2014.09.25   USA   Moore, OK   1   1   A Sharia advocate beheads a woman after calling for Islamic terror and posting an Islamist beheading photo.
2014.12.18   USA   Morganton, NC   1   0   A 74-year-old man is shot several times in the head by a 'radicalized' ISIS supporter.
2015.07.16   USA   Chattanooga, TN   5   2   A 'devout Muslim' stages a suicide attack on a recruiting center at a strip mall and a naval center which leaves five dead.
2015.12.02   USA   San Bernardino, CA   14   17   A 'very religious' Muslim shoots up a Christmas party with his wife, leaving fourteen dead.
2016.06.13   USA   Orlando, FL   49   53   An Islamic extremist massacres forty-nine people at a gay nightclub.

What about our white Christian friends?

[ag]

This is off topic, but I would really appreciate if adherents of the religion that gave us Cruzades and pogroms would be a little bit more humble.

[ag]

What about our white Christian friends?

Spanish Inquisition, Holocaust, Crusades, Oklahoma City

Pogroms. Conquista. I mean, I live ina valley that took hundreds of years to recover the population it had before the Christians made it here.

[ag]

What about our white Christian friends?

Spanish Inquisition, Holocaust, Crusades, Oklahoma City

Holocaust wasn't done in the name of Christianity. I'm not sure what role Christianity had in OKC either.

It was perpetrated by Christians. According to your statistics, that's enough. I'll also mention the destruction of Native American civilizations and the KKK.

I mean, it was pretty much a Holocaust on this continent when Christians made it here. There is no religion adherents of which murdered more people, usually in the name of religion, than Christianity. The most bloodthirsty lot out htere - it is not even close.

[ag]

Obama is a great politician.

[ag]

What about our white Christian friends?

Spanish Inquisition, Holocaust, Crusades, Oklahoma City

Holocaust wasn't done in the name of Christianity. I'm not sure what role Christianity had in OKC either.

It was perpetrated by Christians. According to your statistics, that's enough. I'll also mention the destruction of Native American civilizations and the KKK.

You're moving the goalposts. It was not done in the name of Christianity, it was done by those who despised Christianity.

The KKK. Ok. That counts. I'm pretty sure 9/11 alone more than triples all the people the KKK killed.

Native Americans were overwhelmed by a superior civilization. What can I say...

Dear lord... What can you say?? You've already said it all.

It's not a problem that the guy is white. It is the problem that he is a son of a bridge.

[ag]

What about our white Christian friends?

Spanish Inquisition, Holocaust, Crusades, Oklahoma City

Holocaust wasn't done in the name of Christianity. I'm not sure what role Christianity had in OKC either.

It was perpetrated by Christians. According to your statistics, that's enough. I'll also mention the destruction of Native American civilizations and the KKK.

I mean, it was pretty much a Holocaust on this continent when Christians made it here. There is no religion adherents of which murdered more people, usually in the name of religion, than Christianity. The most bloodthirsty lot out htere - it is not even close.

That holocaust was mostly caused by just stepping on the north American continent and bringing disease that the natives couldn't fight off. The europeans could of been monks from Tibet and millions of natives would of died.

But they were not monks from Tibet. Ever heard of the encomienda?