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« on: November 30, 2017, 10:30:54 PM »

I was joking earlier about them still writing the bill with typos and mistakes in it and look:

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Does this last moment scramble have any chance of flipping McCain due to his whole "order" thing?
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« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2017, 01:48:21 PM »

Wait what did Flake get that put him on board? Something about DACA?
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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2017, 02:37:09 PM »

The motion by Sen. Cardin to send the bill back to committee has failed 44-56. If I heard the clerk right, the defections were Gillibrand, Booker, Warren, and Merkley. I will check the official roll call when it's published by the Senate.

Wait why?

Are they just assuming it'll pass and telling them to get it over with?
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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2017, 03:40:36 PM »

I'm curious.

Those of you who are against this bill, do you think the Democrats should introduce amendments like Rubio-Lee, etc. to force GOP senators to go on the record about them, or only offer motions to commit?
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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2017, 03:50:49 PM »

Susan Collins amendments make me feel a little better about this bill.

What are in her amendments?

Is SALT being restored?
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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2017, 03:59:06 PM »

McCaskill hints that she was able to get a list of the amendments in the bill via lobbyists. Does anyone here have access to that list?
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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2017, 04:06:15 PM »

Susan Collins has a verbal promise from McConnell with a transcript to pass Alexander-Murray. So theres that...

A verbal promise from the Turtle means nothing...
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2017, 04:08:30 PM »

Well it appears Democrats are done offering those stupid motions to recommit. Only took 8 attempts.

Please offer Rubio-Lee.
Please offer Rubio-Lee.
Please offer Rubio-Lee.
Please offer Rubio-Lee.
Please offer Rubio-Lee.
Please offer Rubio-Lee.

Make them vote against it! And while you're at it, try reintroducing education + healthcare deductions and force them to vote it down too!
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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2017, 04:13:41 PM »

Susan Collins is officially a yes

Does the Alabama race even matter now regarding tax reform?

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This bill also still has to go to conference. If Collins amendments are all stripped out, I could see her voting no on the new bill. If Corker votes no tonight, then he'll probably vote no on the conference'd bill. I'm trying to figure out who the third no vote would come from.

Doug Jones would make it three.
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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2017, 04:15:51 PM »

If enough Democrat Senators played the delay game regarding throwing votes in to send the bill back to committee, then we would have had a real shot at delaying the bill until McCain had to go back to Arizona continue his cancer treatments, which would have costed the Republicans a yes vote.

You do realize how underhanded the Democrats would have looked doing that, right?
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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2017, 04:19:04 PM »

https://mobile.twitter.com/seungminkim/status/936705353483513856


Um, WHY?

You want to unite the public against this tax bill and so at the height of the debate you decide to go with Frankenstein of all people?
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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2017, 04:22:03 PM »

DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THE DEMOCRATS ARE PLANNING TO OFFER ANY ACTUAL AMENDMENTS?
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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2017, 04:25:16 PM »

Well it appears Democrats are done offering those stupid motions to recommit. Only took 8 attempts.

Please offer Rubio-Lee.
Please offer Rubio-Lee.
Please offer Rubio-Lee.
Please offer Rubio-Lee.
Please offer Rubio-Lee.
Please offer Rubio-Lee.

Make them vote against it! And while you're at it, try reintroducing education + healthcare deductions and force them to vote it down too!

Ew. Don't offer Rubio-Lee. It's horrible policy.

Not saying they have to vote for it. Just get GOPers on the record against it. And as many other things as possible.
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« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2017, 05:18:52 PM »

Here's the long list of amendments that have been submitted. Amendments have been submitted by members of both parties. Note that not all amendments will receive votes. https://www.rpc.senate.gov/tax-cuts-and-jobs-act-reconciliation-tracker

What does it take for an amendment to get voted on?

Yeah, I really want to know this too. In particular, how many of the Dem amendments do they have to vote on?
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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2017, 05:25:00 PM »

Also, what do we know for sure is in the bill?

By McCaskill tweet, we know that

1731
1730
1729
1728
1735
1724
1723
1685 (deduction only for religous private schools and not secular ones??)
1684
1678
1715
1622
1631
1764
1711
1632
1588
1756
1793
1630
1615
1690
1809
1613
1745

are included.

I'm assuming by her statements that either Collins' 1590 or 1591 is in.

Anything else we know for sure?
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« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2017, 06:14:28 PM »
« Edited: December 01, 2017, 06:16:10 PM by Biden/Kander 2020 »

"Regular Order", guys.

https://mobile.twitter.com/brianschatz/status/936730025054867457

Also, as to the post above, all we're trying to do right now is figure out what's in the bill.

For instance, does anyone know which of Collins' amendments are in (other than the two I listed above).
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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2017, 07:00:59 PM »

Apparently the parliamentarian is running through the whole bill now. They're adding debate minutes until she's finished.
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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2017, 07:03:44 PM »

so Collins just tweeted this:

https://mobile.twitter.com/SenatorCollins/status/936710788718452736

Not sure I trust Turtle even in a signed letter...
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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2017, 07:10:29 PM »

Bill:  https://assets.bwbx.io/documents/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/rXqXuQfYbRas/v0
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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2017, 07:28:28 PM »


Looks like you're not the only one thinking that.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SenatorHassan/status/936752940244721664
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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2017, 07:31:28 PM »

Also: https://mobile.twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/936753933644632066
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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2017, 07:34:17 PM »

This is two pages taken from the bill. Democrats are complaining that the margin edit on the second page is illegible.

https://assets.bwbx.io/documents/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/r1cuem4Zyg6U/v0
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« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2017, 07:56:45 PM »

Casey:
https://mobile.twitter.com/SenBobCasey/status/936741110994620418
https://mobile.twitter.com/SenBobCasey/status/936742329838383105
https://mobile.twitter.com/SenBobCasey/status/936744035489853440
https://mobile.twitter.com/SenBobCasey/status/936757699055902721

Bennet: https://mobile.twitter.com/SenBennetCO/status/936748703976747008

Tester: https://mobile.twitter.com/SenatorTester/status/936748480000921600

Durbin: https://mobile.twitter.com/SenatorDurbin/status/936738041087037440

Hassan: https://mobile.twitter.com/SenatorHassan/status/936752940244721664

Schatz: https://mobile.twitter.com/brianschatz/status/936739075050139648

McCaskill: https://mobile.twitter.com/clairecmc/status/936755524636377088

Markey: https://mobile.twitter.com/SenMarkey/status/936738897744285698

Menendez: https://mobile.twitter.com/SenatorMenendez/status/936739835880136705

Hirono: https://mobile.twitter.com/maziehirono/status/936756257612017664

Murray: https://mobile.twitter.com/PattyMurray/status/936747033691672576

Warner: https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkWarner/status/936757198226632704
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« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2017, 08:00:17 PM »

Updated bill: (From politico, last one was from Bloomberg):

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000160-149e-da42-a7f2-3dff49b30000
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« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2017, 08:34:46 PM »

https://mobile.twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/936765722205851648

Wow, they're not even hiding it anymore.
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