If the source, should Rove be jailed?

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People, you can't be put in jail for saying someone's wife works for the CIA....get a grip.

Umm,  the law doesn't say you have to actually name the peron.  What the law states is ANY INFORMATION regarding an covert CIA operative, ANY INFORMATION

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People, you can't be put in jail for saying someone's wife works for the CIA....get a grip.

Umm,  the law doesn't say you have to actually name the peron.  What the law states is ANY INFORMATION regarding an covert CIA operative, ANY INFORMATION

So, if you were commenting to someone about your friend's wife and they happened to be a CIA covert operative and you didn't know this, would you support your own prosecution.

It's not just "any information".  The information must identify the covert agent:

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There are no indications yet that Rove knew Plame was a covert agent.  In addition, Rove had to know that the U.S. was taking "affirmative measures to conceal" Plame's relationship to the U.S.  It's not clear that the U.S. was taking those measures, let alone that Rove knew about them.

It doesn't seem to me that Rove's info identified Plame in such a way that blew her cover.  Plame was known to be Wilson's wife, so what difference would it make to any foreign intelligence service that she actually worked for the CIA?  All U.S. diplomats and their relatives are generally treated by foreign intelligence as if everything they know is reported directly to the CIA, because in most cases, it is.  Presumably, when (if) Valerie Plame was covert, she didn't identify herself as "Valerie Plame, wife of a U.S. ambassador".

Well him saying that it was his wife qualifies & she was a covert agent.  I will admit the legalities are still up in the air.  However the administartion has said that Rove was not involved in it & also has stated that they would fiire anyone involved, that hasn't happened & we do know for a fact Rove was involved

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Well him saying that it was his wife qualifies & she was a covert agent. 

I have not seen anything yet showing Rove said Plame was a covert agent.  Reading the e-mails released to the public, there is nothing there other than Wilson received the mission from his wife, who was a CIA (note: nothing indicating covert) agent.

Point I'm making is that at this point their is no question regarding if she was a covert agent, some people are suggesting she might not have been, thats false.  She was a covert agent period.  Now wheter Rove did anything technically illegalis still up in ther air, although I think he tiptoed the line at the least.  Not to mention what was said about Rove not being involevd at all, which we know to be false

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Well him saying that it was his wife qualifies & she was a covert agent. 

I have not seen anything yet showing Rove said Plame was a covert agent.  Reading the e-mails released to the public, there is nothing there other than Wilson received the mission from his wife, who was a CIA (note: nothing indicating covert) agent.

Point I'm making is that at this point their is no question regarding if she was a covert agent, some people are suggesting she might not have been, thats false.  She was a covert agent period.  Now wheter Rove did anything technically illegalis still up in ther air, although I think he tiptoed the line at the least.  Not to mention what was said about Rove not being involevd at all, which we know to be false

Technically, Rove says she is "apparently" with the CIA.  He found that out, according to his attorney, from a reporter asking him for comment. 

I would like someone to ask Mr. Rove who his source was.

His attorney is obviosuly going to try & put the best face on this whole situation, we will see what happens, but the bottom line is he did release information regarding an undercover CIA agent & that goes against what the administration was syaing prior to this revelation

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I seriously wondering if Joe Wilson might not have tipped someone off.

I wonder who talked to the NYT reporter.  Rove has repeatedly said anyoen he talked to does not need to protect him as a confidential source.  He has even signed documents releasing them from any confidentiality agreements.

So, who told the New York Times?

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Rove

Fact: Rove has signed a release waiving confidentiality over the whole Plame affair.  Any reorter who spoke to him about it is free to talk to the judge, special investigator, other reporters or you without worrying about breaking a promise of confidentiality given to Karl Rove.

Fact: NYT reporter Judith Millier is still refusing to say who her source was due to a promise of confidentiality.

Conclusion:  Rove was not her source.

Was the release for Cooper or everyone.  Keep in mind that Cooper did not reveal his source until after Rove personally contacted him.  For all you know what he told Miller may heve been more damaging legally than what he told Cooper.  Miller could be serving time out of principle as well.  Not saying Rove was her source or not, but you simply can't make that conclusion either way

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I seriously wondering if Joe Wilson might not have tipped someone off.

I wonder who talked to the NYT reporter.  Rove has repeatedly said anyoen he talked to does not need to protect him as a confidential source.  He has even signed documents releasing them from any confidentiality agreements.

So, who told the New York Times?

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This is important.

Rove

Fact: Rove has signed a release waiving confidentiality over the whole Plame affair.  Any reorter who spoke to him about it is free to talk to the judge, special investigator, other reporters or you without worrying about breaking a promise of confidentiality given to Karl Rove.

Fact: NYT reporter Judith Millier is still refusing to say who her source was due to a promise of confidentiality.

Conclusion:  Rove was not her source.

Was the release for Cooper or everyone.  Keep in mind that Cooper did not reveal his source until after Rove personally contacted him.  For all you know what he told Miller may heve been more damaging legally than what he told Cooper.  Miller could be serving time out of principle as well.  Not saying Rove was her source or not, but you simply can't make that conclusion either way

According to Luskin (not unbiased, I know, but how could he lie about this and get away with it?), the waiver covers everyone:

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So what about Cooper's last-minute reprieve?

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It is one thing for a waiver & one thing to give additonal consent which is what happened with Cooper.  For all you know he could have said something more damaging to Miller & that is why he gave the added consent with Cooper & not Miller.  I'm not saying its the case, but at this point you just don't know.