Fact: Wilders doesn't want any more muslims to come into the country.
I don't see what's wrong with that. If they were assimilating into Dutch or even some sort of broad Western culture that would be one thing, but they aren't.
Define "assimilation". I think I'm assimilating just fine.Assimilation is becoming functioning members of the mainstream who tolerate other's beliefs. I'm glad you're assimilating, and a good number of European Muslims are as well, but you just can't compare the situation in the states with the situation in Europe. It's completely different.
Muslims don't need a mosque to practice their religion. They can pray in each other's homes or use existing mosques. If they would stop hiring fascists as their Imams I'm sure Mr. Wilders would reconsider his position.And Christians don't need churches. Jews don't need synagogues. And who is "they"? My imams are not fascists.[/quote]
No they don't, but that's not the issue. The mosques of Europe have become little more than hotbeds of anti-Western political activity; meeting places for extremist Salafist groups. The imams/teachers that are being recruited are not assimilated or Western born generally. When they hire imams they bring them from the "old country", and 99% of the time they come from Salafist madrassas where hatred of Western society is encouraged.
Mein Kampf is banned in Germany, what's the difference?You're suggesting that that makes it right?
I own a copy of Mein Kampf. I read it frequently. I own several copies of the Qur'an. I read them frequently. There are no more similarities than any two books are bound to have by definition.[/quote]
I'm suggesting that although I'm generally not in favor of censorship, I can understand the motives behind getting rid of the Quran. I have no problem with a gun in theory, only when that gun is used to kill. I'm sure you do read Mein Kampf frequently, and I'm not surprised given your posts about Israel. They are similar books in that their most devout readers are driven to extreme acts of violence and seek to repress those who disagree with the contents of the books. In Germany there were those who merely collaborated with or acquiesced to Hitler. Moderate Muslims are similar. They profess a belief in an ideology grounded in hate and oppression, but just don't pursue the goals of their religion as actively as the crazier elements among them. They generally aren't inflicting suffering on others however, and so despite how distasteful their beliefs are, must be tolerated.
I don't believe that in the U.S. you can hold more than one nationality and be in congress, and no one seems to mind that there. If someone were to hold another nationality don't you think even Obama would jump on that if they were his opponent?Nationality≠citizenship.[/quote]
I believe it does in this context. I know that even some of the non-"far right" parties in Holland have tried to eliminate the ability to hold dual citizenship(Balkenende himself if I'm not mistaken)
I love how people can get away with putting forth the most vile, racist, sexist garbage as long as they call it a religion, and then when their disgusting beliefs are challenged they claim that the challengers are the discriminatory ones. Religion is a cancer, and Islam just happens to be the most immediately dangerous and malignant form at the moment. Anyone who wants to get rid of it, with the exception of those trying to impose a different religion, should be applauded.
You can oppose religion. I have no problem with that. You cannot oppose the practice of religion by others. That violates basic rights. If I want to believe that 2+2=3, that is my perogative.[/quote]
I oppose the practice of any religion that seeks to oppress others and infringe on my "basic rights". It should be the basic right of any gay man to walk down the streets of Rotterdam or the east end and not have to worry about getting beaten for who he is. It should be the basic right of any woman not to be degraded and humiliated, forced to cover herself, told it's her fault if she's raped, and possibly be killed if she decides she has the right to make her own sexual decisions. Religious Islamic courts are ruling a great number of people within Europe, not secular courts. That is unacceptable. These people can't escape this brutal life because they're constantly threatened with hell or physical violence. You could compare it to the FLDS in southern Utah. They are a group of extremists that need to be eliminated, because the people caught up in that lifestyle have no way out of it. They don't make the choice, and end up with severe psychological damage.
