How can Republicans win back Orange County, Calif.?
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« on: February 27, 2018, 07:36:32 PM »

A longtime Republican Party and conservative bastion, voting for the Republican Party presidential candidates from 1940 to 2012, until that Republican streak was broken when Democrat Hillary Clinton won the OC by 8 points.

How do Republicans win the conservative bastion of Orange back? It's the equivalent of Dane, WI, Montclair, NJ.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-election-aftermath-updates-trail-orange-county-turns-1478716018-htmlstory.html

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-orange-county-20161101-story.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_County,_California#Politics
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« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2018, 08:36:14 PM »

Return to Bush or Reagan style conservatism and abandon the alt-right and their xenophobic rhetoric. in 2004 Bush won this county by a 20-point margin over Kerry, and it's been shifting leftward ever since because the GOP has been moving in a more anti-immigration (both legal and illegal) direction and abandoning the kind of "compassionate conservatism" that kept the county red for so many decades.
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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2018, 09:16:47 PM »

A longtime Republican Party and conservative bastion, voting for the Republican Party presidential candidates from 1940 to 2012, until that Republican streak was broken when Democrat Hillary Clinton won the OC by 8 points.

How do Republicans win the conservative bastion of Orange back? It's the equivalent of Dane, WI, Montclair, NJ.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-election-aftermath-updates-trail-orange-county-turns-1478716018-htmlstory.html

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-orange-county-20161101-story.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_County,_California#Politics

Sorry, when were either of Dane or Montclair considered conservative? I'm legitimately lost on this comparison. Orange is nowhere near as left as those areas, nor were they ever as conservative as Orange was just 4 years ago. Mad Men even shouted out Montclair as the faux-hemian Mecca of the mid-60s.

Anyway, I assume you mean President, since Orange can still be considered extremely R at the state level. It was R+31 for Kashkari in 2014. (I'd like to see more data from other statewides to confirm this.)

Orange remains easily winnable for a Republican presidential candidate, even in a close national race. Just takes a better candidate for the wealthy cosmopolitan suburbs than Trump (or a worse one than Clinton, like Sanders). Romney still won Orange by 6 and Bush won by 20.

I think Rubio, Haley, Kasich, Romney would all be expected to carry the county in 2020 or 2024. A more evangelical candidate like Pence, Cruz, or Sasse could still win OC depending on their message and opponent.

It does also hurt that CA at large is a vote sink for the party. There's just no reason to campaign in California, even in the pockets like Orange County that have a ton of conservative voters. There are probably more conservatives in California than in any state other than Texas, but there's no reason to get them out to vote for President. Part of the reason Bush ran up the score to 20 in 2004 was that he at least made a play for CA, if only for the show prize of winning the national vote after losing it in 2000.

I'd like to see a study that checks if California has more extreme swings than the rest of the country, and if those swings have become more extreme in recent elections. I would think that increased national coverage of Election Night on TV and online might exaggerate the swing toward Democrats in California in 2008 and 2012, if not 2016. Big wins for Obama before the CA polls closed probably evaporated turnout for McCain and Romney.

Anyway, that's a lot of words to say: run a better candidate.

What I mean it is like liberal Dane and Montclair.
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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2018, 08:36:16 AM »

Nominate anyone but Trump in 2020
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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2018, 03:28:51 PM »

It's not that simple. the GOP is the Party of Trump now, no matter who they nominate in 2020.
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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2018, 06:54:37 PM »

The national Party has to stop alienating Latinos, Asians, college whites, and suburban moms so much in order to win back Orange County. As of right now, they’re poised to lose Orange County by an even bigger margin in 2020. They need to stop appealing so much to cultural and racial resentment to win back an incredibly diverse County such as this one.
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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2018, 08:44:29 PM »

It's not that simple. the GOP is the Party of Trump now, no matter who they nominate in 2020.

If they became the Party of Trump simply by nominating him, they'd become the Party of Whomever They Nominate Next when they nominate him or her...
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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2018, 09:07:01 PM »

It's not that simple. the GOP is the Party of Trump now, no matter who they nominate in 2020.

If they became the Party of Trump simply by nominating him, they'd become the Party of Whomever They Nominate Next when they nominate him or her...
They didn't become the Party of Trump by nominating him. this change has been ongoing since the Tea Party movement began.
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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2018, 09:30:01 AM »

It's not that simple. the GOP is the Party of Trump now, no matter who they nominate in 2020.

If they became the Party of Trump simply by nominating him, they'd become the Party of Whomever They Nominate Next when they nominate him or her...
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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2018, 07:28:02 PM »

Nominate a NeverTrumper instead of Trump in 2020, or just wait until 2024 and hope that muh demographics is destiny doesn't doom them.
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