Atlasian National DUI Bill (Amendment at Vote)

[Alexander Hamilton]

Is a region allowed to have a looser limit as well?

yes, see Section 3. Although if you like, that can be worded more clearly in section 2.

No offense but that just seems stupid. Why would a region create a lower penalty if the money would simply go to the federal government instead? That only HURTS the region, and they have to pay the same amount anyways. I see that provision as pointless.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Is a region allowed to have a looser limit as well?

yes, see Section 3. Although if you like, that can be worded more clearly in section 2.

No offense but that just seems stupid. Why would a region create a lower penalty if the money would simply go to the federal government instead? That only HURTS the region, and they have to pay the same amount anyways. I see that provision as pointless.

That's the whole point.

So the point is to be pointless. Okay. Fyi no region would ever do that and hopefully someone sensible strikes the provision by amendment.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Hamilton, I think you're misunderstanding Sen. Franzl. What this bill would do, if I'm reading it correctly, is ensure that, no matter regional law, someone convinced of DUI shall pay at least a $2000 fine. If the region doesn't want any of that money, they set their regional fine at $0 and the person convicted of DUI will pay all $2000 to the federal government. If the region wants to set their regional fine at $2000, then the person pays $2000 to the region and $0 to the federal government. If the region wants to set their regional fine at $10,000, then the person pays $10,000 to the region and $0 to the federal government. It's really a pretty elegant solution to the problems of 1) double punishment and 2) lax regional laws.

Ok, but your post didn't really clarify if I really do have a misconception- does the original fine ($2000) go to the regions or the federal government. If so, why would the regions give away that money for absolutely no reason.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Hamilton, I think you're misunderstanding Sen. Franzl. What this bill would do, if I'm reading it correctly, is ensure that, no matter regional law, someone convinced of DUI shall pay at least a $2000 fine. If the region doesn't want any of that money, they set their regional fine at $0 and the person convicted of DUI will pay all $2000 to the federal government. If the region wants to set their regional fine at $2000, then the person pays $2000 to the region and $0 to the federal government. If the region wants to set their regional fine at $10,000, then the person pays $10,000 to the region and $0 to the federal government. It's really a pretty elegant solution to the problems of 1) double punishment and 2) lax regional laws.

Ok, but your post didn't really clarify if I really do have a misconception- does the original fine ($2000) go to the regions or the federal government. If so, why would the regions give away that money for absolutely no reason.

Where the fine goes is entirely dependent on regional law. If the region sets their DUI fine at $0, then the $2000 goes to the feds; if they set it at $1000, then $1000 goes to the region and $1000 to the federal government; if they set it at $2000 or higher, all money goes to the region.

As to your second question, I don't know. Perhaps they believe that regions shouldn't be finding people for DUIs for that much money? Perhaps they'd rather institute a community service or jail time punishment?

I understand the idea behind it, but regions would be STUPID to send away the money to the fed. Why set a regional fine for $1000 if the violator will still pay the same amount anyways and the money would just go somewhere besides the region?

[Alexander Hamilton]

Wow, guys, running a bit of a nanny state here? A BAC of 0.08 is the legal limit in the United States, Canada, Mexico, and the UK; I don't think these countries have any problem that bumping the limit down a notch will solve at all.

Tmth's vote shouldn't even count, no offense. I don't think he knows anything about alcohol consumption.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Wow, guys, running a bit of a nanny state here? A BAC of 0.08 is the legal limit in the United States, Canada, Mexico, and the UK; I don't think these countries have any problem that bumping the limit down a notch will solve at all.

Tmth's vote shouldn't even count, no offense. I don't think he knows anything about alcohol consumption.

Get out of here if you don't bring relevent content!

I just like seeing Marokai throw his little bitchfits.