UK General Discussion: 2019. Blackadder goes Brexit.

[Pericles]

The results for the extension and referendum questions are weird-the 47% who want a second referendum is 8% higher than the 39% who want an extension, even in the fantasyland that is British politics nobody can seriously think a referendum can be done by October 31, right? Plus it's interesting that people think the UK made more concessions by a 32-point margin (biggest margin in the entire poll). Also kind of weird that more people want MPs to pass the deal than actually support it.

[Pericles]

I know posters on here hate my opinion but I think I have been validated by this entire process. A presidential system is far better than a parliamentary one . A President would not have been handcuffed by parliament throughout negotiations and trash laws like the Benn act would never have been signed into law without a 2/3 vote.

The only thing that has been validated by this entire process is the principle of checks & balances. And the only thing that's trash about the Benn Act (the sole purpose of which has been to prevent a no-deal exit) is your opinion about it.

If their really was a firm threat of No-Deal Brexit, I can bet you the UK gets a much better deal from the EU then they will ever get .

As much as BoJo has already made it, the threat of a no-deal Brexit would've been infinitely worse had Parliament not been there to take it off the table.

Well yeah it was immensely idiotic to take no deal off the table. It was their best bargaining chip

"Please Mr. EU, give me the deal to end all deals! Or else I'll be forced to shoot myself in the head!"

Quite the bargaining chip indeed.

Removing leverage is a terrible way to negotiate

People who don't know any better make the analogy of meeting with a real estate agent offering a deal on a house, but retaining the ultimate resort of walking out without buying the house, i.e. no deal. Brexit isn't like that. No-deal isn't leverage because it's not a case of walking away saying "Oh well, I won't buy that house then." This is a case of going to buy the house, & if you don't, your old house is demolished & you end up on the street.

No-deal isn't leverage, & it never was. It isn't leverage when they know that no-deal would do massive harm to the British economy & only small harm to the EU's. And not only would it harm the UK more than the EU, but the negotiating tactic of "We're willing to leave without a deal" has been tried 3 times now, & all 3 times, the UK has bottled it. The EU called the UK's bluff three times & won, so what, should they go for best of 7 now?

The only way using leverage works is if your serious about using it and since the UK wasn’t then it’s pretty obvious the EU wouldn’t fall for that since it’s obvious that it is a bluff .

It would be hugely irresponsible for the UK to actually be serious about a no deal Brexit because it is so damaging to them.

[Pericles]

Plus it's not like the UK won't have to negotiate with the EU if there's no deal. It would have to figure out a way to mitigate the chaos and get a trade agreement to stop the economic damage. The problem then is that the UK's negotiating position would be even weaker and the UK would suffer unnecessary and self-inflicted damage in the mean time. And it's similar with the Brexit deal, just ratifying the deal doesn't 'get Brexit done' or end the negotiations, it starts a new phase of even more arduous negotiations where the UK's position is weaker.

[Pericles]

If Corbyn is preventing an election out of cowardice, why did he allow an election in 2017 when Labour was much further behind in the polls and the precedent of the 2017 campaign did not yet exist?

[Pericles]

The LibDems and SNP have finally shown their true colors, it seems. They don't give a sh*t about stopping BoJo's hard-Brexit deal, or even about taking No Deal off the table. They'll happily throw all that under the bus and let put a hard-right Tory government in power if that allows them to win a few seats.

What a shameful, disgusting bunch of third-rate hacks. If Remainers really want to put their trust in them, they deserve everything that's coming to them.

No. They actually have principles, and are fighting to ensure the UK never leaves the EU. The real hacks are Labour, who refuse to take a definative position and fight hard to stop the greatest threat to the UK in decades.

If you want to know why the Tories will probably win, just look at these posts.