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« on: February 09, 2015, 01:23:07 PM »

Surely this is grounds to remove Moore from office? I suppose the legislature probably wouldn't impeach him, but can a federal court expel him?
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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2015, 07:34:53 PM »

There are plenty of unisex bathrooms out there if you want to use one. It's not like the Constitution mandates separate bathrooms for men and women.

It's a pretty poor parallel to gay marriage.
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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2015, 08:19:41 AM »

Which state mandates segregated bathrooms? That's up to each individual establishment, and many of them have unisex bathrooms. In addition, it's not at all uncommon at places like gas stations for people to go into the "wrong" bathroom if there's a long line for one and none for the other. Or if you just sneak into the women's restroom, you'll probably get away with it, or at worst, just get told off by a cashier or something.

There's no parallel to gay marriage here -- if a gay couple somehow tricked a county into marrying them, they wouldn't just get a lecture, their marriage would be dissolved and they would be in trouble. The counties where it's illegal can't make an exception and just allow a gay marriage in a pinch (like businesses can with the restrooms), nor allow them all the time (a parallel to the very common unisex bathrooms).
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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2015, 01:42:13 AM »

In what state is it illegal to have gender-neutral bathrooms if an owner so decides?

In what state/city will you get in serious trouble if you go into the "wrong" restroom, as long as all you do is use the bathroom and leave?

How is this in any way comparable to gay marriage, which is not allowed under any circumstance in 16(?) states?
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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2015, 01:22:52 PM »
« Edited: March 08, 2015, 01:24:25 PM by Harry »

The introduction of no-fault divorce was a much more serious blow to 'what marriage has been' than simply removing the increasingly meaningless variable of gender. I think CJK is at best falling prey to the 'anything that existed in society when I was born is normal and natural; anything introduced into society after my adolescence is an abomination' fallacy. At worst, and most likely, he is just a loathsome bigot.

And once again, if you honestly believed gender is a "meaningless variable" you should have no problem with immediate bathroom desegregation.

Why do you insist on referring to the bathroom situation as "segregation" ?

Racial segregation/Jim Crow existed at literally every public building and business in the South because it was mandated by state law.

No state law mandates that all bathrooms must be segregated -- there are unisex bathrooms everywhere, should a business or public institution decide to sign one that way. AND, unlike Jim Crow, penalties for breaking the rule are often nonexistent or light.

For example, if there's a long line at the men's room at a gas station and the women's restroom is empty, men will go use the women's room instead of waiting around unnecessarily. This is especially true if each bathroom just has 1 toilet so there's no chance of an awkward situation if a woman walks in. There is no analogue to this in Jim Crow -- blacks could not use white entrances, water fountains, seating sections, etc., in ANY circumstance, no matter how empty the white facility was. Businesses could not voluntarily allow race-neutral facilities, nor were they allowed to turn a blind eye if they didn't care. And unlike a person using the "wrong" bathroom, who at worst will probably get yelled at by an employee as long as he/she really did just use the bathroom and not try anything pervy, blacks would get in a lot of trouble if they tried to use a white facility of some sort, up to and including death.

Sorry man, the analogy to "segregation" is just awful.
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