Ireland General Discussion

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Irish Labour - LOL.

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Why aren't SF held accountable for their crass incompetence in the North?

They enabled May, and now they're enabling Boris.

Well without knowing for sure, likely most of their voters in the "South" approve of abstentionism?

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Maybe time to revive this thread?

Latest poll puts SF miles ahead, and Irish Labour on a risible 3%.

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Maybe time to revive this thread?

It's a shame that ObserverIE left this forum and now only posts on AAD.

Agreed.

But contributions from others are welcome!

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Joe Kennedy III will be named Special Envoy to Northern Ireland.

Biden handing JK a political lifeline after his Senate run went up in smoke.

What are the odds he can sway Westminster to bring the DUP to heel and restart Stormont?

Not great.

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I did notice one day a few months ago that #irelandisfull (or similar) was trending on Twitter - as is so often the case, this sort of mindless violence doesn't spontaneously erupt out of nowhere.

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We still don't know the nature of the incident that kicked this all off, which is itself maybe revealing.

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I'm not particularly religious but can see perfectly well the context in which he used that term.

Looks rather like some people looking for a reason for getting upset to me.

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A sizeable amount of right wing critiques of "the left" are projection.

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Quite possibly the most pro-British PM the RoI has ever had.

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Must admit I hadn't even noticed these referendums were happening until very recently.

Which may tell its own story, of course.

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Holding referendums on things both profoundly vague and largely meaningless backfired, who knew?

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No, not really. The Irish Clegg was Éamonn Gilmore.

And the Irish Labour Party hasn't really recovered, and quite possibly never will.

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Aren't the SocDems (their name notwithstanding) clearly to the left of Labour economically?

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Aren't the SocDems (their name notwithstanding) clearly to the left of Labour economically?

Yes, although that may mainly be due to not having been in government. It is very much a Student Left "we like nice things and don't like horrible ones" party.

That sort of milquetoast attitude seems like a good idea considering the major parties descend from warlord cliques and the other parties are granola neolibs, abortion haters, blairites, and a Trotskyist coalition.

Ah well, at least the (hilariously misnamed) Progressive Democrats are no more.

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He admitted in his statement that FG's immediate electoral prospects were pretty bleak.

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Harris is the new Cowen, then?

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Its on the UK thread already

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And again, why are parties so fond of coronations when they very often don't work that well.

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Behold the Harris Hurricane:

IrelandThinks, for the Sunday Independent:

SF 26 (-1)
FG 21 (-1)
Ind/Oth 18 (+4)
FF 16 (-1)
SD 6 (-)
GP 4 (-)
Aontú 4 (-)
Lab 3 (-1)
SWP/SP 2 (-)

It's a complete mystery why replacing one weird and offputting leader who'd been around forever with another (differently) weird and offputting leader who's been around forever has not boosted FG's poll ratings into the stratosphere.

How long until we start seeing some numbers for Independent Ireland? I have to assume some of the Ind/Oth vote increase is driven by right-wing voters flocking to II.

Are they (now) an actual political party? If so, they should surely start being mentioned in their own right if they have non-negligible polling support.

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I know nothing about this company and some of the results - particularly the high votes for the Greens and the decaying husk officially referred to as the Irish Labour Party - I am extremely skeptical about. It doesn't help that almost all the "broadsheet" newspapers are by this stage fluffers for FG.

And any reason why support for the SD's should have almost halved?

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So how much of the sizeable current "Independent" support in polls is actually far/populist right?

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It was inevitable that other European countries let Ukrainians in "no questions asked" originally tbf.

(indeed, not just that but arguably morally right too)

But more than two years on, its quite reasonable for people to want a more controlled approach.

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And changes since *September*? I know some pollsters report less frequently than others, but still.